< 1441065636 440749 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren, anyone who likes good music: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3z7gfeJw0g < 1441066601 165775 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: I'm not sure what they mean by top & bottom if two of those sides aren't it < 1441066706 839098 :mitchs_!~canissimi@unaffiliated/canissimia PART :#esoteric < 1441067063 42380 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: cool! < 1441067569 638604 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1441067818 682355 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION crosses himself off the list of people who like good music < 1441068120 256075 :darkl0ck_!~v1rtuehea@TOROON2634W-LP140-03-2925478442.dsl.bell.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1441068211 21531 :darkl0ck!~v1rtuehea@TOROON2634W-LP140-03-2925478442.dsl.bell.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1441068361 524364 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That reminds me of that one thing that I can't remember the name of. < 1441068391 442719 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it amortization hth < 1441068442 504590 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? fizzie < 1441068443 377266 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie is not fnord with a monad but the king of #esoteric, see http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/src/fizziecoin.jpg < 1441068449 148584 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it fnord < 1441068453 394302 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, "faces" is probably more standard terminology than "sides" < 1441068483 155427 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO GENE RAY IS ENTIRELY CORRECT hth < 1441068526 909359 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: No, it was that Manbo-dead-behind-the-house-P thing. < 1441068628 950442 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: why didn't durkon use disruption again in olist 429 like in 104 twh < 1441068919 726316 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: well the sword is starmetal now. otherwise i dunno. < 1441068936 145359 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google disruption d&d < 1441068937 256621 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/SRD:Disruption < 1441068937 311048 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Title: SRD:Disruption - D&D Wiki < 1441068967 191317 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems p. effective < 1441068974 318302 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't the sword just as non-bludgeoning as before? < 1441068993 757892 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just noticed that < 1441069021 948504 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps it's http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/disruptingWeapon.htm < 1441069034 718500 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but perhaps his phylactery is negating the effect? < 1441069056 247357 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :he had the phylactery before too < 1441069057 928526 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because surely rich cannot just have messed up. < 1441069068 157998 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yes, but roy didn't _know_ he had < 1441069077 803568 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :he was surprised that xykon came back < 1441069083 610885 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok but last time xykon destroyed the sword < 1441069150 345759 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is true, so the theory hasn't been properly tested < 1441069276 919503 :mihow!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1441069747 222607 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDream < 1441069966 118993 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGrdGXDcoGU there's a comment that seems to have some more background < 1441070622 436264 :llue!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu JOIN :#esoteric < 1441070809 950272 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1441071336 592920 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: so what's with olist 963 < 1441071395 790170 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what's with not using urls < 1441071464 471972 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0963.html < 1441071470 899078 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hthyh < 1441071526 67104 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well back when i read it, it obviously seemed to be about something (demi-)humanlike the demon was incapable of grasping < 1441071539 161057 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was thinking that's how they'd figure durkon out < 1441071545 769443 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i fully expected it to come up as ... precisely < 1441071552 824086 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :so now what twh < 1441071556 65366 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it seems a bit late now < 1441071566 508482 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it'll come up soon < 1441071587 778262 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've seen speculation that Durkon can give Durkon misleading memories regarding combat style, and further speculation that this is already happening < 1441071589 646733 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :they won't be sure whether it's true durkon or what < 1441071639 745585 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is, if they don't notice that the demon durkon is different _before_ resurrecting the true one, then i don't see how it will help afterwards < 1441071662 400429 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe something comes up where they have to keep it alive < 1441071667 479023 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something < 1441071906 254406 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is Roy as talkative as HPoH thinks? I don't remember, but I think Roy is willing to fight when necessary, and HPoH... doesn't realize? < 1441071990 413608 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: hm i suppose if the resurrection _fails_ at getting rid of "HPoH", it could matter. < 1441072004 812593 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that would be interesting < 1441072150 936885 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: hm did HPoH learn that "fact" in one of durkon's flashbacks? < 1441072163 671417 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that we saw, that is) < 1441072198 403390 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1001.html not a directly seen flashback, but HPoH references an event suggesting that < 1441072208 439589 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Which was in On The Origins of PCs) < 1441072279 900656 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the reference i was talking about, i haven't read that book < 1441072390 906981 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it's now available for the first time in digital pdf format from gumroad hth < 1441072458 483328 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :THX < 1441072583 314869 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION also bought Dungeon Crawlin' Fools because bonus comics and commentary and I have more money than sense < 1441072616 410689 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :> minimumBy (comparing length) ["oots", "olist"] < 1441072618 108419 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : "oots" < 1441072652 368866 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t comparing length < 1441072653 622949 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Foldable t => t a -> t a -> Ordering < 1441072707 908131 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> sortBy (comparing length) [Just 'h', Just 'i', Nothing, Nothing] < 1441072709 882442 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : [Nothing,Nothing,Just 'h',Just 'i'] < 1441072719 594947 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :FTP, so fancy < 1441072757 398408 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :they don't serve it over HTTP? < 1441072814 691778 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION isn't sure if shachaf is making the too obvious pun or being whooshed < 1441072851 749387 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're talking about a haskell-related acronym that is three letters long and ends in P, i refuse to acknowledge any such thing < 1441072856 67813 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hate them all < 1441072867 105971 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :and anyone who comes up with one of those is terrible < 1441072881 81726 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :just make an AAP hth < 1441072947 664857 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :are there more than two that originated with haskell < 1441072998 672773 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders if it was a bad idea to make his GND proposal while SPJ was on holiday < 1441073050 701884 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right PVP too < 1441073060 217614 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so at least three < 1441073095 381421 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually i think they changed AMP to FAM or something < 1441073103 608189 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :not only with haskell, with the same person < 1441073115 87280 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't have to name everything < 1441073117 387212 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :disgusting < 1441073133 823683 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :was it HVR < 1441073175 313875 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1441073190 987461 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b01:cddb::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Driving in CA makes me grumpy. I should do it less. < 1441073201 183419 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :was it edwardk < 1441073226 871020 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1441073230 772237 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i shouldn't have talked about it < 1441073268 29108 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i didn't mean to single that person out < 1441073466 415683 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i understand your name has three letters and ends with P tdnh < 1441073486 469995 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :look < 1441073490 367737 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :we should just all hug it out < 1441073509 531505 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hug < 1441073509 585865 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hackage.haskell.org/trac/ghc/newticket?type=bug < 1441074592 924347 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1441075504 619610 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1441076156 260074 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@24.237.158.3 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441079438 827236 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1441079936 632374 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@24.237.158.3 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm making Disarray: The World's Crappiest Game Engine < 1441080221 44860 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@24.237.158.3 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If anyone has any esoteric suggestions for it, feel free to say < 1441080386 286344 :Danger1!~canaima@190.38.39.110 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441080553 763770 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If arrays are 1-dimensional variables, and scalars are 0-dimensional variables, Disarray should use -1-dimensional variables < 1441080589 425430 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@24.237.158.3 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: Disarray is a pun on Unity < 1441080612 651797 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose you could take the view that arrays are 2-dimensional, scalars 1-dimensional, so you should use 0-dimensional variables, but that's boring < 1441080617 749924 :Danger1!~canaima@190.38.39.110 PART :#esoteric < 1441081837 357231 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@24.237.158.3 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1441082346 450813 :spiette!~spiette@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1441083701 305290 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric < 1441084441 895406 :APic!apic@apic.name QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1441085393 948956 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1441085417 310894 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric < 1441085780 939468 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441086392 300789 :mauris_!~mauris@c-69-254-26-224.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441086392 355322 :mauris_!~mauris@c-69-254-26-224.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Changing host < 1441086392 355403 :mauris_!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric < 1441086562 408978 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1441088915 281171 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw2-54f80e-20.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1441089487 619179 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw2-54f80e-20.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1441090215 961504 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1441090373 169006 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441090890 621581 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric < 1441091026 64141 :mauris_!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1441091405 100764 :APic!apic@apic.name JOIN :#esoteric < 1441091993 250960 :edwardk!sid47016@haskell/developer/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: we changed the burning bridges proposal (BBP) to the Foldable/Traversable Proposal (FTP) is that what you mean? < 1441091998 53128 :edwardk!sid47016@haskell/developer/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :AMP remained AMP < 1441092025 69209 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought i saw somewhere a different acronym for AMP < 1441092034 201393 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which included Functor < 1441092111 678792 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :edwardk: ^ < 1441092121 781773 :edwardk!sid47016@haskell/developer/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah < 1441092124 199162 :edwardk!sid47016@haskell/developer/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :AMP stayed < 1441092130 569098 :edwardk!sid47016@haskell/developer/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :its even in a ghc command line thing < 1441092133 616084 :edwardk!sid47016@haskell/developer/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :-fwarn-amp < 1441092138 609656 :edwardk!sid47016@haskell/developer/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :so its never changing =) < 1441092144 177639 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1441092218 891946 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugh. < 1441092222 881684 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate GHC now. < 1441092256 537188 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only saving grace is that GHC doesn't care about breaking backwards compatibility. < 1441092403 111656 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@2a02:2c40:400::1:6e46 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441092496 151122 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: i think, esoOS should have roguelike elements < 1441092539 766998 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interesting idea... < 1441092605 905220 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :after each boot, commands are assigned to functions randomly < 1441092625 458870 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there need to be mechanisms to determine the type of commands < 1441092839 507300 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Later < 1441092871 804099 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interesting idea < 1441092875 135276 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait < 1441092878 751195 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Already said that < 1441092888 759129 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, could the mechanism be trial and error? < 1441092922 282268 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname? < 1441092923 206338 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my first idea was to let builtins and /tmp always unchanged < 1441092936 882112 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1441092938 49988 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or? < 1441092968 196855 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you could do echo "foo" > /tmp/bar < 1441092992 628637 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if there is a file bar with cobtebt fooy, you know echo and > work as expected < 1441093030 767809 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you get file not found, it could be because > is assigned to < or | < 1441093036 929424 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or echo works differently < 1441093104 813914 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1441093137 938422 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Intesting... < 1441093164 544169 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So commands and redirectors get shuffled on boot? < 1441093185 818033 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1441093342 55294 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cool < 1441093354 682248 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm thinking about making the filesys a self-balancing binary tree < 1441093358 325048 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just for the lulz < 1441093369 131427 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that'd make programming /impossible/ < 1441093447 602593 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1441093474 811841 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do that or why would it make programming impossible? < 1441093626 107358 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@2a02:2c40:400::1:6e46 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1441093672 460762 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :second < 1441093783 986778 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well < 1441093790 741082 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not LITERALLY impossible < 1441093793 258972 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But very hard < 1441093813 879585 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because when you can't organize files in a logical matter < 1441093816 338458 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's harder to do < 1441093929 359570 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.190.253.145 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441094637 447949 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07ShortScript14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=43989 5* 03YourDeathIsComing 5* (+909) 10Created page with "ShortScript(SS) i an work in progress programming language for code golfing. It´s written in Batch. It operates an only 5 variables:α, β, γ, δ, ε.


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hthyh < 1441119482 361945 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hthyh? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1441119533 92697 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`le/rn hthyh/"hthyh" is a common typo for "tithe". < 1441119535 35928 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned «hthyh» < 1441119670 644132 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-49-74.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1441120341 617766 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1441121527 858078 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@2a02:2c40:400::1:6e46 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1441124079 121138 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it stands for "hope that helps, your highness" < 1441125011 915968 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441125340 509324 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1441125363 536737 :mauris!~mauris@c-69-254-26-224.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441125363 591061 :mauris!~mauris@c-69-254-26-224.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Changing host < 1441125363 591121 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric < 1441125746 120645 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ppodhadsvcvjgjzh JOIN :#esoteric < 1441126449 892058 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-092-072-129-184.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Quit: Terminated < 1441126526 479824 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-129-184.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Quit: rebooting < 1441126592 907753 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1441126797 441628 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-129-184.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1441127007 559493 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-092-072-129-184.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1441127214 619370 :FireFly!~firefly@firefly.xen.prgmr.com QUIT :Changing host < 1441127214 673723 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly JOIN :#esoteric < 1441127240 425994 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Algebra14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43995&oldid=43965 5* 03Rdococ 5* (+20) 10 < 1441127662 84687 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1441128340 707306 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1441128595 544930 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1441128637 657609 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1441128698 547835 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Quit: BBS < 1441128922 489065 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-64-77.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1441129147 501042 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1441129331 83427 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1441129415 641680 :FireFly!~firefly@firefly.xen.prgmr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1441129878 477253 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1441129889 494044 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1441129907 675531 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric < 1441130062 585299 :llue!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1441130816 284007 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu JOIN :#esoteric < 1441130840 171111 :mihow!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441131409 624582 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1441131520 801492 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there any web browser that follows a client-daemon model? < 1441131562 181246 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1441131774 556155 :impomatic_!~digital_w@81.174.207.110 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441131834 462656 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: http://spirituality.chat/ hth < 1441132228 556365 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1441132403 580456 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: Chrome Remote Desktop could be considered that, if you stretch the definitions as far as they go, but not really. < 1441132446 649554 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1441133063 925468 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :An ingredient-oriented Programming Langauge would be interesting < 1441133072 413008 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in, you have a pool of ingredients < 1441133106 414672 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you combine them in a combinatorical fashion in a given environment to produce results < 1441133111 907559 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Using up ingredients in the process < 1441133147 459143 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure it'd be useful in Information Security or something, in that you use up "ingredients" as you do it and thus need to know exactly what you want when you start < 1441133153 746135 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So if you do it well, there isn't any leak < 1441133153 958969 :nycs!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1441133188 28478 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi, nycs! < 1441133243 931410 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1441133249 663136 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523? < 1441133269 598487 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: have you seen affine typing? < 1441133273 220561 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1441133278 788386 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Googling it now < 1441133312 264381 :nycs!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1441133315 509631 :nycs!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com NICK :`^_^v < 1441133335 495408 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Can't find any english resources on it < 1441133357 201594 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously? I'd have thought it was better known than that < 1441133374 213690 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the idea's that you can only use a function argument once, you can't copy it or use it multiple times < 1441133385 940310 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interesting < 1441133397 288715 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's it used for? < 1441133398 997769 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are certainly resources on affine types. < 1441133402 644965 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, Wikipedia's entry seems to be here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affine_logic < 1441133405 763648 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And affine logic. < 1441133407 74385 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1441133409 592969 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(logics and type systems have a 1-to-1 correspondence) < 1441133417 687286 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I use it in my day job < 1441133418 355134 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google affine typing < 1441133419 704872 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Substructural_type_system < 1441133436 264627 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually used DDG < 1441133450 797193 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: it's one sentence in that article < 1441133460 355973 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just used the word "Google" because it's more understandable < 1441133460 994686 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wikipedia doesn't have much information about affine typing/logic, really < 1441133482 996589 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer the idea of ingredients-oriented programming < 1441133501 473950 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :stdout(echo, "Hello, World!") < 1441133506 915675 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Forunately there are other results. < 1441133522 313669 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway the "resources" interpretation of linear logic only goes so far, as far as I know. < 1441133526 646101 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's "Mix echo and 'Hello, World!' in the STDOUT" < 1441133545 972835 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: the research in that direction mostly seems to be along the lines of "coeffects" nowadays < 1441133553 136673 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with the problem being that nobody seems to be able to coherently state what a coeffect is < 1441133570 449737 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have not heard of coeffects. < 1441133578 109375 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you use comonads rather than monads to represent them in pure languages like Haskell, that much is widely agreed on) < 1441133627 449061 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :first relevant duckduckgo result seems to be this one: http://tomasp.net/academic/ < 1441133639 67567 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1441133648 51805 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(there are a lot of irrelevant ones beforehand) < 1441133664 588285 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it was the first Google result. < 1441133681 601158 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's because Google results depend on who's searching, and so Google had a decent idea of which meaning of "coeffect" you likely wanted < 1441133695 334045 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas duckduckgo results don't, and thus it can't allow for the fact that we probably want an academic/CS definition < 1441133697 245873 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use Incognito Mode for all Google searches. < 1441133706 157111 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I wonder how much that helps < 1441133708 651874 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I'd hope it helps < 1441133772 740439 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Ingredients-Oriented Paradigm14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=43996 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+561) 10Created Page < 1441133789 405244 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, a review of my webserver logs show that basically everyone either enters URLs manually or doesn't send referers nowadays < 1441133795 137349 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :who visits my site, at least < 1441133805 713771 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a noticeable minority send referers that can't possibly be correct, i.e. are faking them < 1441133811 304007 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably they get directed from https: sites, whereas yours is an http: site? < 1441133827 114562 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Browsers don't send referers in that case. < 1441133838 392258 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yes, that would make sense < 1441134059 477182 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Ingredients-Oriented Paradigm14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43997&oldid=43996 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+342) 10Ingredients and Utensils < 1441134591 515666 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-64-77.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1441134719 614191 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-64-77.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1441135059 611410 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441135473 852157 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Algebra14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43998&oldid=43995 5* 03Rdococ 5* (+12) 10updated < 1441135525 782286 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Ingredients-Oriented Paradigm14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43999&oldid=43997 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+1161) 10Extended the article < 1441135593 104868 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Ingredients-Oriented Paradigm14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44000&oldid=43999 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (-2) 10changed a word for clarity < 1441135640 809904 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo people suck at making esolangs :( < 1441135657 14646 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :teach them < 1441135679 892772 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i also suck! < 1441135680 675943 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :delicious oriented paradigm < 1441135692 337087 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know I suck at making esolangs... < 1441135699 232193 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's because my ideas aren't esoteric enough < 1441135707 534614 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :and are actually innovative < 1441136042 237161 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :*.net *.split < 1441136042 662250 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :*.net *.split < 1441136042 662269 :aretecode!~aretecode@209.58.131.5 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1441136042 927904 :myndzi!myndzi@tetrisguide.com QUIT :*.net *.split < 1441136043 865760 :rodgort!~rodgort@105.ip-167-114-152.net QUIT :*.net *.split < 1441136071 448394 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've always wanted to make one about chemistry but i'm bad at chemistry, whooops < 1441136094 414913 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1441136094 469376 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441136094 469448 :aretecode!~aretecode@209.58.131.5 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441136199 708014 :rodgort!~rodgort@105.ip-167-114-152.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441136351 397812 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've also always wanted to make one that's very difficult for computers to interpret, but for a less boring reason than IRP < 1441136365 297855 :FireFly!~firefly@firefly.xen.prgmr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1441136404 893696 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe something like... you need to run some real-life processes that are deterministic but extremely difficult to simulate? < 1441136462 361152 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then an interpreter would need help from a real-world actor to run these processes and report on them. this is inspired by cfluviurrh < 1441136874 170335 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :*.net *.split < 1441136874 470387 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :*.net *.split < 1441136874 524677 :aretecode!~aretecode@209.58.131.5 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1441136874 783961 :myndzi!myndzi@tetrisguide.com QUIT :*.net *.split < 1441137148 898031 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1441137148 952214 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441137148 952252 :aretecode!~aretecode@209.58.131.5 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441137220 632556 :x10A94!~x10A94@178.252.73.97 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1441137312 676950 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1441137622 365120 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1441138770 585739 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1441139279 758706 :darkl0ck!~v1rtuehea@TOROON2634W-LP130-02-1279477922.dsl.bell.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1441139433 304739 :darkl0ck_!~v1rtuehea@TOROON2634W-LP140-03-2925478442.dsl.bell.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1441139543 294708 :darkl0ck_!~v1rtuehea@TOROON2634W-LP140-03-2925478442.dsl.bell.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1441139555 743009 :darkl0ck!~v1rtuehea@TOROON2634W-LP130-02-1279477922.dsl.bell.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1441139681 503329 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1441139705 390078 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Esolang:Categorisation14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=44001 5* 03Ais523 5* (+36) 10redirect; seems like a pretty likely typo to me < 1441139805 322047 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07WUUI14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=44002 5* 03Ais523 5* (+9220) 10new language! < 1441139816 54177 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, so I've been working on an actual esolang :-) < 1441139820 527850 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me know what you think of WUUI < 1441139850 704651 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Ais52314]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44003&oldid=41001 5* 03Ais523 5* (+10) 10+[[WUUI]] < 1441139872 101108 :FireFly!~firefly@firefly.xen.prgmr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1441139873 636470 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44004&oldid=43933 5* 03Ais523 5* (+11) 10/* W */ +[[WUUI]] < 1441139981 831798 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, it's oddly similar to My Unreliable Past in some ways < 1441139991 443413 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but different < 1441140024 49525 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tasks: write a Hello World that's more efficient than O(2^(n^2)) < 1441140030 259231 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(note: this may involve optimizing the interpreter) < 1441140036 897128 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :prove TCness or otherwise < 1441140047 598206 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, just write an interpreter that does some semblence of optimization < 1441140058 163291 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really want to write an unoptimizing one because it'd never end in a reasonable timeframe < 1441140261 364864 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1441140516 205368 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :O(2^n^2)? What language is that? < 1441140521 349781 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: http://esolangs.org/wiki/WUUI < 1441140699 948660 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Shove14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44005&oldid=35344 5* 03Ais523 5* (+15) 10/* External resources */ sprunge links aren't permalinks; good thing I happened to have the original around and could rehost it < 1441140701 87604 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Says if the output diverges, the program is restarted again. But is there any means to have diverging output? Is there input? < 1441140701 365598 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1441140710 71583 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: there's a lot of randomness involved < 1441140727 812060 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like until(x[257]/1000); output; < 1441140733 476260 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :will pretty much output a random byte < 1441140737 32424 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, I see, random increases and decreases < 1441140823 90485 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I've been playing around in this space quite a bit, I think < 1441140829 452206 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. /ˈæmbiːɛf/ < 1441140855 276356 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but WUUI is better, because a) it doesn't fit neatly into any paradigm I've seen (it's closest to declarative), and b) it isn't a BF derivative < 1441140899 978554 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in retrospect, a decent part of my esolanging career has been driven by my hatred of Java2K < 1441140931 173254 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1441140942 386907 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds like a strange motivation < 1441140963 301226 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1441140975 533891 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: have you seen Java2K? :-( < 1441140996 454958 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1441141001 771048 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't see how that's connected to esolangs < 1441141015 120795 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Java2K is an esolang < 1441141019 262049 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1441141025 541308 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but how does it motivate you in making more esolangs? < 1441141035 916019 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: because it had an interesting premise and completely wasted it < 1441141067 872968 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, so it's a _bad_ esolang < 1441141069 231885 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1441141071 159483 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1441141077 514426 :TieSoul!~quassel@2a02:a448:4a62:0:548d:2bb6:e105:b48e QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1441141147 620446 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what is the probability of a cell oing 0 -> 1? < 1441141161 295989 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: 1/3 I guess, although it doesn't really conceptuallly matter < 1441141166 43371 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*conceptually < 1441141176 693095 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially as the probabilities are approximate anyway < 1441141366 953014 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: in WUUI, does only zero count as false? < 1441141388 416906 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: yep < 1441141391 122335 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although division rounds down < 1441141396 514509 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can effectively compare to a constant via dividing by it < 1441141431 736794 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1441141432 743433 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, division rounds down? ok < 1441141437 762555 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1441141444 410085 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :rounds down or rounds towards zero? < 1441141459 217836 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the page says "rounds downwards towards zero" which is strange < 1441141461 66887 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :which of the two? < 1441141467 156877 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it truncating division or flooring division? < 1441141472 348260 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1441141473 875807 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :both! we only use nonnegative integers < 1441141479 745450 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the array contains only nonnegative integers? < 1441141480 302634 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1441141502 962993 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what happens if the value of a cell would decrease under zero? < 1441141512 197180 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't < 1441141538 323754 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's as if it the random walk was mirrored around -1/2, not around 0? < 1441141549 329438 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that's one way to think about it < 1441141560 550154 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1441141817 528398 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and when is the memory modified? after each statement? it's not modified between evaluating subexpressions, or within an output; statement, right? < 1441141836 793044 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :after the test of each while/until/unless/if instruction < 1441141849 729207 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1441141953 91110 :FireFly!~firefly@firefly.xen.prgmr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1441141955 181490 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, this WUUI language indeed looks scary and esoteric < 1441142002 37196 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1441142250 769932 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Flower14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=44006 5* 03Rdococ 5* (+781) 10Flower, the first turing complete language I have thought of in a while < 1441142476 517157 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-64-77.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in < 1441142871 89336 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1441143295 387266 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1441143761 627457 :atslash!~atslash@broadband-46-188-0-82.2com.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441143873 721480 :FireFly!~firefly@firefly.xen.prgmr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1441143911 703808 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1441144010 611635 :atslash!~atslash@broadband-46-188-0-82.2com.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1441144057 395078 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1441144231 908528 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1441144674 615012 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1441144774 803215 :darkl0ck_!~v1rtuehea@TOROON2634W-LP140-03-2925478442.dsl.bell.ca NICK :darkl0ck < 1441144782 443335 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1441144835 573894 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1441144890 586288 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1441144958 193975 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :If Java is also a bad language, wouldn't that mean that Java2K is an accurate satire of Java? < 1441145130 553313 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1441145179 362791 :impomatic_!~digital_w@81.174.207.110 QUIT :Quit: http://corewar.co.uk < 1441145796 304998 :FireFly!~firefly@firefly.xen.prgmr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1441146045 587217 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1441146422 605518 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1441146912 413907 :|f`-`|f!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1441147163 355485 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441147281 493394 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net TOPIC #esoteric :The font of all knowledge | The channel where Sir Fungellot does not. | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ | http://esolangs.org/ < 1441147287 986448 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That makes more sense to me < 1441147306 38792 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The word fnord wouldn't be redacted, you just wouldn't see it < 1441148042 111558 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Quit: *bubbles away* < 1441148098 64207 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot can see fnord. < 1441148098 387475 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: people can get over the 14g trinet upload limits." when asked, chat a bit about ircd programming :) i even don't understand your comment < 1441148112 322230 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or perhaps not. < 1441148140 300689 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot < 1441148140 402692 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: the war is over. i don't know < 1441148369 586534 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1441148568 769684 :FireFly!~firefly@firefly.xen.prgmr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1441149858 91912 :FireFly!~firefly@firefly.xen.prgmr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1441152056 501932 :mihow!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1441152356 37006 :FireFly!~firefly@firefly.xen.prgmr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1441152738 440640 :FireFly!~firefly@firefly.xen.prgmr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1441152829 378037 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b01:cddb::f63 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1441153407 903787 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1441153602 4396 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b JOIN :#esoteric < 1441154267 917549 :Slereah__!~Slereah@APuteaux-653-1-88-25.w90-61.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1441154287 938329 :Slereah!~Slereah@APuteaux-653-1-83-93.w90-61.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1441155686 163854 :FireFly!~firefly@firefly.xen.prgmr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1441156399 88525 :FireFly!~firefly@firefly.xen.prgmr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1441157319 180992 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot < 1441157319 287037 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: s/ then/ they/ my < 1441157329 538815 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh? < 1441157426 118675 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441157454 505123 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :new limerick from speculative grammarian < 1441157480 128977 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A loanword I heard in अमरो- < 1441157480 466604 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :हा was clearly not borrowed from ཁམས་ so < 1441157480 521070 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guessed it was དབུས་གཙང་ < 1441157480 521190 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that was just all wrong— < 1441157480 521213 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It turns out the form was from ཨ་མདོ། < 1441157599 571066 :|f`-`|f!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441157798 190390 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :80% of the lines have characters that my font can't render < 1441157920 972765 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :but line 4 was great < 1441158504 917436 :FireFly!~firefly@firefly.xen.prgmr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1441159127 271673 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my font also doesn't render, but the backup font does. however, that doesn't mean can actually read any of them < 1441159457 441073 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :“A loanword I heard in Amaro- / हा was clearly not borrowed from Kham so / I guessed it was Ü-Tsang / But that was just all wrong- / It turns out the form was from Amdo.” < 1441159815 417953 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDream < 1441160441 338950 :FireFly!~firefly@firefly.xen.prgmr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1441161947 12096 :FireFly!~firefly@firefly.xen.prgmr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1441162125 590127 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1441162572 524087 :|f`-`|f!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1441162776 626017 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Writing a large number of commands into ed without printing the buffer to confirm it" #justunixgeekthings < 1441162912 100008 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Copypasting the AES S-box from the pdf into ed, and then into Visual Basic? Priceless. For everythine else there's mastercard. < 1441162987 713847 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :scow-box < 1441163041 124097 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: does having the values in VB hex notation help? < 1441163051 190474 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :&H63, &H7C, &H77, &H7B, &HF2, &H6B, &H6F, &HC5, &H30, &H01, &H67, &H2B, &HFE, &HD7, &HAB, &H76, < 1441163056 849973 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would you implement aes < 1441163079 265855 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to support it in my ssh terminal thingy? < 1441163090 672501 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which i am making in VB < 1441163101 726279 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :why < 1441163115 954147 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :qhy nor? < 1441163120 271401 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not? < 1441163129 462841 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it will probably end up insecure < 1441163133 664001 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha ha < 1441163142 363978 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should call it ish instead < 1441163152 200067 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is a good name < 1441163197 68202 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :people who want security whould probably not use anything written in VB anyway < 1441163237 835972 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't see much VB code on crypto blogs < 1441163510 325222 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't get this. is there an actual mathmatical relation between the number of rounds and the key legth? < 1441163538 210753 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :16 byte key -> 10 rounds < 1441163555 365050 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :24 byte key -> 12 rounds < 1441163568 639878 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :32 byte key -> 14 rounds < 1441163677 282377 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever < 1441163722 703479 :|f`-`|f!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441163817 674327 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi |f`-`|f < 1441163836 145880 :|f`-`|f!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION grabs oren < 1441163901 89810 :FireFly!~firefly@firefly.xen.prgmr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1441164172 562774 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So now I'm working on the key schedule and the cipher < 1441165859 160146 :FireFly!~firefly@firefly.xen.prgmr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1441166920 130062 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1441167125 90710 :FireFly!~firefly@firefly.xen.prgmr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1441167185 646091 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know what we could do for the/a EsOS? < 1441167187 986998 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :3D < 1441167221 283455 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That could be the BefungeOS < 1441167520 102360 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if the memory is a 3d space of bits, and data types are cubes of bits, containing 8, 27, 64, or 125 bits < 1441167681 830952 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to make an esoteric tower defence game... < 1441167683 867245 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any ideas? < 1441167692 79021 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you noticed how quickly I change ideas? :P < 1441167697 410142 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm never going to finish anything xD < 1441167701 119135 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :make the shooting patterns programmable < 1441167706 420230 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES < 1441167712 510197 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUT ONLY IN MALBOLGE < 1441167739 704387 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Give me an idea for a tower < 1441167859 851625 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does Fungot look like? < 1441167908 28404 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :"AOLServer is the web engine that powers America Online. [...] It is similar in many respects to Zope, except based largely on Tcl." < 1441168198 72658 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seriously < 1441168199 208171 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone < 1441168214 465584 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does fungot look like in phyiscal form? < 1441168214 568372 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: something that will give you a headache :) but you need to do < 1441168220 259859 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In a non-sarcastic way < 1441168248 865587 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've decided that the Fungot tower will be able to see fnordic enemies < 1441168354 340312 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren, your a fungotologist. What is fungot's TRUE form? < 1441168354 470224 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: you have 1 message. riastradh says: does sisc have a fnord < 1441168450 245593 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*you're < 1441168451 208442 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shit < 1441168459 34778 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or is that oerjan? < 1441169115 643556 :FireFly!~firefly@firefly.xen.prgmr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1441169514 487998 :Thisbe!~Thisbe@2602:306:394b:e110:9b8:7866:70c5:4cf4 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441169587 379268 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugh < 1441169591 396101 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :VPython is being shitty < 1441169597 991998 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't figure out how to get it working < 1441169605 377294 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Keep getting numpy import errors < 1441169730 697449 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1441169774 561466 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi, oerjan! < 1441169803 96779 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm making EsoTD < 1441169852 694048 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY < 1441169904 403881 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that excited or annoyed "OKAY"? < 1441169912 768036 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or accidentally-left-caps-lock-on? < 1441169929 539050 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ironic hth < 1441169929 744743 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe ironically-left-caps-lock-on < 1441169935 583908 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoo! < 1441169940 615827 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guessed it before you said it! < 1441169953 163144 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(check the timestamps if you're reading the logs) < 1441169981 706338 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the logs disagree hth < 1441169992 894521 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :irc isn't globally synchronized < 1441170004 689515 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well still < 1441170011 652137 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :From my POV I said it first < 1441170013 243458 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1441170016 260606 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And even then < 1441170021 309018 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's no way I typed it that fast < 1441170036 975123 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY < 1441170040 37905 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :4or is there? < 1441170042 862328 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION believes you < 1441170043 1453 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Must be *mumble mumble* special relativity *mumble mumble* < 1441170084 241250 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's actually not that easy to _speed up_ time with special relativity. < 1441170084 652969 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good < 1441170104 819529 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So what does fungot's /true form/ look like? < 1441170105 167650 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: you had talked about that a long time since i've played it 5 times, but only in a lexical environment, which the body doesn't digest algorithm or anything. < 1441170115 218351 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not taking the straightest path tends to slow you down < 1441170154 761664 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to know for research purposes for the EsoTD < 1441170212 177381 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are a mere human, you cannot grasp true forms hth < 1441170276 468759 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh rihgt < 1441170277 512928 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :is fungot's true form a differential form < 1441170277 653441 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i get it :) i'm sorry, you're wrong < 1441170282 737897 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1441170285 645363 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but secretly we're all (including fungot) tentacled beings playing a _really_ immersive MMORPG hth < 1441170285 699580 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i like this room, ever, a rosemary. < 1441170296 803235 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoa < 1441170315 450496 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My mind < 1441170318 795112 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has asploded < 1441170320 654227 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth < 1441170328 46825 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still have no clue what hth means < 1441170333 424690 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? hth < 1441170343 884343 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hairy Toe Help < 1441170345 85835 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know < 1441170348 812566 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth is help received from a hairy toe. It is not at all hambiguitous. < 1441170721 90575 :FireFly!~firefly@firefly.xen.prgmr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1441170938 413681 :aretecode!~aretecode@209.58.131.5 QUIT :Quit: Toodaloo < 1441171713 570846 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: You should talk to mulrich about Agora sometime. < 1441171726 49569 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was he in Agora nomic? < 1441171748 45410 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :... oh my goodness I think I recognize the name holy shit < 1441171834 862718 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1441171841 73697 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, he wasn't in it as far as I know. < 1441172250 434248 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :never heard of him < 1441172754 367864 :FireFly!~firefly@firefly.xen.prgmr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1441172865 52814 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: What's the state of the art in machine-interpretable nomics? twh < 1441172910 169479 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno, haven't been on more than one and it was > decade ago < 1441172947 466800 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which one? < 1441173130 644839 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :schemenomic < 1441173333 641804 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm almost ready to test my AES < 1441173480 985091 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, now I need a unit test < 1441173502 213148 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hmm, doesn't really seem self-modifying enough < 1441173563 919273 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY < 1441173872 814625 :Perdurabo!~Peregrinu@190.53.139.59 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441173902 847841 :Perdurabo!~Peregrinu@190.53.139.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi I am having issues with a tarot reading.. anyone familiar with the Thoth Tarot? < 1441173912 49955 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome Perdurabo < 1441173912 980247 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perdurabo: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: . (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.) < 1441173931 163605 :Perdurabo!~Peregrinu@190.53.139.59 PART :#esoteric < 1441174371 24122 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :holy fucking what what Visual Basic has freaking lambdas?!!? < 1441174451 592823 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dim f = Function(x) x * 6 + 5 < 1441174479 312624 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1441175554 979618 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which version? < 1441175739 94373 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : I don't get this. is there an actual mathmatical relation between the number of rounds and the key legth? <-- divide by 4 and add 6 hth < 1441175798 628636 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: {(16,10),(24,12),(32,14)} hth < 1441175824 218291 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or that. < 1441175829 680249 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :except i guess you mean "subtract 6 and multiply by 4" < 1441175848 857591 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: oren was confusingly switching the order < 1441175877 995375 :x10A94!~x10A94@178.252.73.97 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441175882 722106 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa whoa whoa < 1441175891 305811 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't played _Potion of Confusing_ in such a long time. < 1441175905 751876 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t confusing < 1441175907 92098 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Applicative f => LensLike (Data.Functor.Kan.Rift.Rift (Data.Functor.Yoneda.Yoneda f) (Data.Functor.Yoneda.Yoneda f)) s t a b -> LensLike f s t a b < 1441175909 314998 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask zzo38 Have any improvements been made to Potion of Confusing since I last played it? < 1441175909 369311 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1441175917 268505 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :best function < 1441175964 160332 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@let import Data.Functor.Kan.Rift < 1441175965 335256 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : .L.hs:88:1: < 1441175965 389545 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Data.Functor.Kan.Rift: Can't be safely imported! < 1441175965 389591 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : The package (kan-extensions-4.2.2) the module resides in isn't trusted. < 1441175971 338060 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :scow < 1441176121 857913 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :potion of confusing is unimprovable hth < 1441176151 402495 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, perhaps I can play the sequel, potion of doesn't make sense. < 1441176491 706306 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Taxi14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44007&oldid=39128 5* 03109.192.2.224 5* (+3495) 10Added Table mapping destinations to operations < 1441176792 135308 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Later < 1441176806 417690 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ashl: I'm using Visual Basic .Net In visual Studio 2015 < 1441176821 97956 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1441176825 213147 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought you meant vb6 < 1441177070 998291 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Taxi14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44008&oldid=44007 5* 03109.192.2.224 5* (+300) 10Formated table < 1441177110 876415 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to write an SSH Client in Visual Basic < 1441177224 45753 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm having trouble implementing AES < 1441177256 831563 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where is the crypto channel so I can troll them < 1441177270 142005 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please don't troll. < 1441177281 45654 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The channel is where you'd expect. < 1441177286 300336 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean aske them for help implementing aes in VB < 1441177313 455362 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which I assume would qualify as trolling < 1441177346 248869 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i don't really "get it" but would writing this in VB be substantially different from writing it in anything else < 1441177388 9201 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, but many people get migraines imagining VB code, let alone writing it < 1441177479 736516 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :VB has a long history of being used by substandard devs for pitiful business apps which inevitably grow into monstrosities < 1441177604 991451 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway I think I figured out where I messed up < 1441177682 986493 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds just like php < 1441177826 378511 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't vb.net just an alternative external representation of C#? < 1441177927 262467 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :technically yes. < 1441177961 25785 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the VB syntax has this uh, visceral reaction from many people < 1441178017 74794 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1441178025 967385 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an alternative external representation of CLI code < 1441178055 889274 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and even then, it's more limited than CLI < 1441178096 848063 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ON ERROR RESUME NEXT < 1441178340 768803 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: That is still valid syntax < 1441178427 245264 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :example of limitation? < 1441178674 63253 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@2a02:2c40:400::1:6e46 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441179192 95996 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ppodhadsvcvjgjzh QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1441179227 675138 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: where did you go to school, again? < 1441179328 698576 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :UofT < 1441179374 52607 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :University Of Toronto < 1441179626 129767 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@2a02:2c40:400::1:6e46 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1441179643 365219 :Thisbe!~Thisbe@2602:306:394b:e110:9b8:7866:70c5:4cf4 QUIT :Quit: Thisbe < 1441179882 913990 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahh ok < 1441179898 588064 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.190.253.145 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441179899 997053 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :you didn't hang out with any Waterloo guys, did you? < 1441180025 568007 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is everyone from Waterloo? < 1441180035 252207 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Did you play Prismata? < 1441180039 611313 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's the place to be < 1441180040 730372 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: no < 1441180064 761567 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elyot is an acquaintance though < 1441180212 568039 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not from waterloo and haven't encountered anyone from waterloo (until now) < 1441180273 832300 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lots of people are from Waterloo. < 1441180281 139519 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though maybe only coppro in this channel. < 1441180332 521616 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :They have this thing where they send students to silly valley for a few months or something. < 1441180554 904862 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :fnérd < 1441180566 157354 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :gaming graphics still suck and it's 2015 < 1441180568 175689 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1441180611 909348 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1441180613 302967 :atslash!~atslash@broadband-46-188-0-82.2com.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441180634 600688 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :althouth GTA5 is from 2014 < 1441180638 909236 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*although < 1441180724 380739 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has sucky anti-aliasing on the PS. < 1441180725 274083 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yeah, it's an alternating work-school program < 1441180774 11415 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1441180775 99954 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gotton/gotton is a quantum of attention. Solain drives the packet. < 1441180849 468839 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, now I'm getting frustrated < 1441180869 302613 :atslash!~atslash@broadband-46-188-0-82.2com.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1441180875 125633 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't seem to get the right result out of my rijndael key schedule < 1441180895 661742 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1441181137 529990 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1441181225 499935 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1441181226 707133 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gaszpacho/gaszpacho is a polish soup, traditionally szerved cold for hot szummer days < 1441181230 722771 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? VB < 1441181231 341293 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :VB? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1441181234 402947 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? VB.NET < 1441181235 167156 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :VB.NET? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1441182128 625862 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-80-237.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1441182210 439102 :impomatic_!~digital_w@81.174.207.110 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441182466 290550 :impomatic_!~digital_w@81.174.207.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a Core War programming / tournament evening in Leeds tonight. < 1441182474 880170 :impomatic_!~digital_w@81.174.207.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly with free pizza :-D < 1441182595 133410 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :awesome < 1441183152 960037 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1441184432 532717 :heddwch!~heddwch@76.8.3.189 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1441184468 608486 :heddwch!~heddwch@76.8.3.189 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441185164 416407 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://http.cat/ < 1441185647 488881 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1441186013 375811 :FireFly!~firefly@firefly.xen.prgmr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1441187840 711522 :FireFly!~firefly@firefly.xen.prgmr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1441188318 585671 :AnonymousExcepti!56ac47b3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.172.71.179 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441188416 514758 :AnonymousExcepti!56ac47b3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.172.71.179 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How would you go about handling numbers in ///? I was thinking about using base 1, but was wondering if anyone had a better solution? < 1441188549 350811 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't really know /// but probably you can use the same techiques as in sed < 1441188620 423 :AnonymousExcepti!56ac47b3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.172.71.179 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't used sed, so I'll go and take a look at that now. < 1441188625 191604 :AnonymousExcepti!56ac47b3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.172.71.179 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks < 1441188645 213206 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.gnu.org/software/sed/manual/sed.html#Increment-a-number < 1441188652 612953 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno how much of that applies to /// < 1441190108 465079 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07List of ideas14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44009&oldid=43723 5* 03Christian Irwan 5* (+221) 10/* Mathematics */ < 1441190502 669173 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441191238 505434 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.190.253.145 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1441191602 414949 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@2a02:2c40:400::1:6e46 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441191762 977040 :atslash!~atslash@185.26.195.187 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441192066 930781 :atslash!~atslash@185.26.195.187 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1441192287 648596 :AnonymousExcepti!56ac47b3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.172.71.179 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1441192610 761570 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1441192618 334526 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1441193565 299276 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@2a02:2c40:400::1:6e46 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1441193616 717924 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1441193652 803891 :atslash!~atslash@213.87.128.248 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441193652 858240 :atslash!~atslash@213.87.128.248 QUIT :Client Quit < 1441194061 211690 :fowl!fowl@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-tlfphuodjtfzccnv QUIT :Quit: zz < 1441194892 632700 :rrrrrr!c3e48f62@gateway/web/freenode/ip.195.228.143.98 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441194900 670379 :rrrrrr!c3e48f62@gateway/web/freenode/ip.195.228.143.98 QUIT :Client Quit < 1441195226 111261 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1441195746 396925 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly JOIN :#esoteric < 1441196017 89896 :FireFly!~firefly@firefly.xen.prgmr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1441196248 601878 :fowl!fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth JOIN :#esoteric < 1441196248 656279 :fowl!fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth QUIT :Changing host < 1441196248 656318 :fowl!fowl@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-mozbfwsudcbbomrq JOIN :#esoteric < 1441196290 177628 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1441196340 923566 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu JOIN :#esoteric < 1441198201 668813 :FireFly!~firefly@firefly.xen.prgmr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1441198751 543085 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.190.253.145 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441198765 751138 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1441199143 905324 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1441199811 22377 :FireFly!~firefly@firefly.xen.prgmr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1441200377 695562 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1441200992 598794 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1441201157 14122 :MDream!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDude < 1441202245 247336 :FireFly!~firefly@firefly.xen.prgmr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1441203320 678394 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07ShortScript14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44010&oldid=43989 5* 03YourDeathIsComing 5* (+341) 10 < 1441203415 496137 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07ShortScript14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44011&oldid=44010 5* 03YourDeathIsComing 5* (+30) 10 < 1441203460 867828 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:YourDeathIsComing14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44012&oldid=43980 5* 03YourDeathIsComing 5* (+17) 10 < 1441203863 324619 :FireFly!~firefly@firefly.xen.prgmr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1441204039 523377 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks like etymologically, the opposite of "effeminate" ought to be "emasculate". < 1441204147 964729 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441204458 942135 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1441204577 391303 :TieSoul!~quassel@2a02:a448:4a62:0:548d:2bb6:e105:b48e JOIN :#esoteric < 1441204903 873242 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is Java evil? < 1441204907 173118 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? C# < 1441204908 870916 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :C Pound is Java's good twin. < 1441205117 134540 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cis < 1441205149 136292 :impomatic_!~digital_w@81.174.207.110 QUIT :Quit: http://corewar.co.uk < 1441205276 489744 :FireFly!~firefly@firefly.xen.prgmr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1441206119 761601 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1441206153 401833 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1441206240 125539 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :In windows shell, DIR /s/b/a-l only doesn't output symlinks, or also doesn't descend into symlink directories? < 1441206245 956929 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a serious question. < 1441206252 229196 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I'm testing now. < 1441206380 891409 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Argh < 1441206386 375183 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems it only doesn't list them < 1441206388 683390 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it descends < 1441207238 646033 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH JOIN :#esoteric < 1441207387 20959 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :who's maintaining/owning hackbot and its wisdomme knowledges? < 1441207450 524547 :FireFly!~firefly@firefly.xen.prgmr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1441207884 589337 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? maintainer < 1441207886 941490 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maintainer? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1441207954 87282 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aw, hackbot should at least know about its creator < 1441207977 403859 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :´? creator < 1441207986 432020 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? creator < 1441207987 108634 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :creator? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1441208061 265755 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1441208064 418370 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? hackbot < 1441208066 145328 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hackbot? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1441208068 932360 :APic!~apic@apic.name QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1441208125 914765 :APic!apic@apic.name JOIN :#esoteric < 1441208139 212870 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly JOIN :#esoteric < 1441208615 357059 :spiette!~spiette@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441208616 992338 :darkl0ck_!~v1rtuehea@TOROON2634W-LP140-03-2925478442.dsl.bell.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1441208697 376039 :darkl0ck!~v1rtuehea@TOROON2634W-LP140-03-2925478442.dsl.bell.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1441209084 598491 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.190.253.145 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1441209989 954979 :APic!apic@apic.name QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1441210225 687558 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1441210322 855400 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-64-77.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1441210848 660082 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1441210984 212626 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : How would you go about handling numbers in ///? I was thinking about using base 1, but was wondering if anyone had a better solution? <-- hm i would have pointed em to my Deadfish implementation. although i guess it _is_ base 1 most of the time. < 1441211194 800042 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : dunno how much of that applies to /// <-- well /// doesn't have regexps, but this method can be adapted. < 1441211247 753936 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :the regex part of number handling in sed is that digits match themselves < 1441211299 179016 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm actually it's not that directly adaptable. < 1441211319 488429 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :might need to convert each digit into unary first, similar to what i did. < 1441211357 622308 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise you would need a real loop, which is overkill < 1441211504 298258 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait no that's not necessary. < 1441211556 302788 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What weird shit can we do with OO I wonder? < 1441211610 40611 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :multiple inheritance hth < 1441211906 905604 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes, Multiple Inheritance is weird < 1441211911 57524 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But not weird enough < 1441211919 171086 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps 2D multiple inheritance? < 1441211936 361799 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :class foo extends [[bar, baz], [qux, fnord]] < 1441211950 185396 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :an inheritance n-category < 1441211958 855003 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :A what? < 1441211963 562588 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :You just lost me < 1441211975 771346 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't worry, i barely understand any of it < 1441211992 906085 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :My formal education in mathematics caps at the very beginning of Alg. II < 1441212000 120176 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Algae II that is xD < 1441212003 574438 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No formal CS at all < 1441212003 830140 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :n-categories are like a higher-dimensional version of categories < 1441212015 697124 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll just google Categories < 1441212024 644182 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? category < 1441212026 612709 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Categories are just a special case of bicategories. < 1441212044 421935 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks at the first image on the wiki page < 1441212046 91517 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I give up < 1441212079 288547 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps a DB-type JSON object? < 1441212082 690180 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1441212088 253919 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That can be implemented in plain SON < 1441212089 914230 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*JSON < 1441212093 652703 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do like class expressions < 1441212214 324648 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo = class(extends=[...], implements=[...], interface=True|False, abstract=True|False, meta=type, etc...) {...} < 1441212246 784278 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: assuming you're referring to the diagram at the top of Category theory, that's sort of relevant for inheritance. if class A inherits from class B and C, and both class B and C inherit from D, you'd like A to get the "same" D both ways. that can be expressed in such a commutative diagram, and means that inheritance is a simple sort of category. < 1441212247 34684 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh < 1441212262 917569 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1441212278 448423 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about self-parent classes? < 1441212285 2134 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :In a time travel-oriented language < 1441212295 151991 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :class bar extends foo {} < 1441212300 108147 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :class foo extends bar {} < 1441212323 441181 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, in a category every object has an identity morphism, which translates to every class being trivially its own ancestor. < 1441212344 320833 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :very abstract class foo {...} < 1441212354 640842 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it is like an abstract class for abstract classes) < 1441212363 408440 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(only abstract classes can inherit from it) < 1441212365 518969 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can have loops. < 1441212409 833581 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then the question is, when you have a loop must it be trivial. or can a class be its own ancestor in a nontrivial way... < 1441212439 73734 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are classes that inherit from two classes that share a parent called incest-borne classes? < 1441212453 829175 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :RARELY I THINK < 1441212515 894693 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess weird shit we can do with OO is too broad < 1441212534 520832 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know half of it < 1441212557 338593 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION never studied those design patterns < 1441212571 337593 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1441212648 166855 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i learned what the visitor pattern was the other day. < 1441212671 114295 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in haskell you mostly just use pattern matching instead. < 1441212712 288884 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the visitor pattern is like CPS encoding of that < 1441212767 90948 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1441213210 606410 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1441214215 26441 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :^celebrate < 1441214215 128947 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o| c.c \o/ ಠ_ಠ \m/ \m/ \o_ c.c _o/ \m/ \m/ ಠ_ಠ \o/ c.c |o/ < 1441214338 593178 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :;_; < 1441214345 626097 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1441214350 477226 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Haneb < 1441214353 168942 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi isn't even here < 1441214357 921749 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not much of a celebration. < 1441214364 32835 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just a list of decapitated heads. < 1441214371 285969 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, and hands. < 1441214380 956301 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :more like stockholm's blood bath < 1441214432 923500 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: how do you feel about me pronouncing your j as zh twh < 1441214450 395991 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(zh as in measure) < 1441214577 971437 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: heresy hth < 1441214648 389573 :llue!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu JOIN :#esoteric < 1441214674 275648 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1441214730 338499 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i used to think that was pronounced like "here sigh" hth < 1441214739 552127 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably due to confusion with "hearsay" < 1441214835 978110 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1441214867 824986 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1441215011 162211 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, same, actually < 1441215021 499127 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: which one < 1441215046 581730 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is surprised to learn his pronunciation is correct < 1441215096 53848 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: hm are you celebrating anything in particular < 1441215109 896033 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No I just felt like celebrating < 1441215603 21793 :x10A94!~x10A94@178.252.73.97 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1441215626 667105 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa whoa whoa, http://mysite.science.uottawa.ca/phofstra/Oct2015.html < 1441215646 571666 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :y'all ontarians should go < 1441215694 393667 :x10A94!~x10A94@178.252.73.97 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441216415 90796 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1441216589 868793 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i sense a distinct lack of mention of beer. < 1441216954 503233 :APic!apic@apic.name JOIN :#esoteric < 1441217176 274775 :TieSoul!~quassel@2a02:a448:4a62:0:548d:2bb6:e105:b48e QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1441217570 563757 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441218533 510785 :mihow!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441218739 206992 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1441218783 588680 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What weird ideas can we apply to Operator Overloading? < 1441218933 271434 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :well... < 1441218962 994741 :mihow!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1441218986 8362 :mihow!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441218993 39230 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :assignment overloading? < 1441218996 805711 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1441219011 739946 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you could do new objectWithAssignmentOverload() = 123 < 1441219163 861339 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-64-77.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1441219221 179501 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That could be a thing < 1441219234 420371 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Compound operator overload? < 1441219274 500690 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :def __add__sub__(self, second, third): < 1441219276 469834 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : ... < 1441219343 532278 :`^_^v!~nycs@rrcs-24-136-112-98.nyc.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1441219445 399232 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-64-77.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1441219781 503877 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he yall < 1441219810 842091 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm gonna try asking again now that there's hopefully more awake; who's maintaining hackego? < 1441219989 772904 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Quit: *bubbles away* < 1441220200 514564 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there any sums of fractions with denominators (- {1, 2, 3, 6} whose denominator (/- {1, 2, 3, 6}? < 1441220207 195251 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(- being the item of operator < 1441220256 969590 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think there is, but I'm just asking to be sure such as not to violate the law of conservation of energy in my esouniverse simulator (where the LoCoE applies) < 1441220870 626627 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1441221114 259673 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1441221136 838915 :Thisbe!~Thisbe@207.197.114.192 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441221221 973134 :x10A94!~x10A94@178.252.73.97 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1441222444 419925 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-64-77.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1441222544 392326 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-64-77.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1441222721 80342 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, obviously not since what you are asking is if any sum of x/6 is a multiple of 1/6 < 1441223338 155357 :fowl!fowl@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-mozbfwsudcbbomrq QUIT :Quit: zz < 1441223484 883606 :Thisbe!~Thisbe@207.197.114.192 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1441223534 249543 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :stalem: in theory Gregor does, in practice he's rarely active here and fizzie ends up doing some of the stuff that not everyone can do < 1441223601 836739 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the question is who manages esolangs.org , I don't even in theory. I just own the box. < 1441223611 976394 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: thanks for the answer mate. do you know if fizzie also has access then to the db's of hackbot? < 1441223614 190765 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it was HackEgo this time < 1441223619 644029 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1441223636 7255 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, yeah, then that's me being a lazy shit :) < 1441223670 67682 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Gregor < 1441223674 412263 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :understandable that you got better stuff to do than manage an irc bot :P < 1441223689 132560 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know what the revert issue is, if you'd like to fix it. < 1441223711 665375 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i was thinking, in spirit of the compendiumme of wisdomme knowledges, that it would be nice to have an up-to-date web version no? < 1441223758 149897 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cos the compendiumme is just too good to be static. i'd love to see it as a searchable, perhaps indexable encyclopedia < 1441223773 553355 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :stalem: um boily handles that. see the pdf in the topic. < 1441223813 372802 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :its up-to-date-ness is a bit fluctuating i think < 1441223857 164260 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that's what i was worried about. a website with direct access to the db wouldn't have that problem, plus you'd gain the bonus of having a nice search feature < 1441223858 48970 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :stalem: you can do some searching in the repository browser < 1441223863 215767 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1441223866 888154 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just my two cents < 1441223871 726737 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`help < 1441223871 831182 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Runs arbitrary code in GNU/Linux. Type "`", or "`run " for full shell commands. "`fetch " downloads files. Files saved to $PWD are persistent, and $PWD/bin is in $PATH. $PWD is a mercurial repository, "`revert " can be used to revert to a revision. See http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/ < 1441223880 353168 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :stalem: try that last link hth < 1441223902 881404 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey nice i might be able to use that! < 1441223921 429813 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan to the rescue tdh < 1441223989 863 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yw < 1441224058 439952 :fowl!fowl@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-kaoofczbpitleznd JOIN :#esoteric < 1441224565 510712 :APic!apic@apic.name QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1441225282 514478 :APic!apic@apic.name JOIN :#esoteric < 1441225451 912671 :mauris!~mauris@2601:58a:101:2cc0:6cf0:ffbf:7f9a:f1c3 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441225452 6709 :mauris!~mauris@2601:58a:101:2cc0:6cf0:ffbf:7f9a:f1c3 QUIT :Changing host < 1441225452 6762 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric < 1441225978 515975 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1441226245 613716 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 QUIT :Quit: pillow < 1441226445 853242 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1441228052 478974 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1441228903 338189 :mauris_!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric < 1441229107 945672 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-64-77.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in < 1441229126 875615 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1441229414 157212 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Doorspace14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=44013 5* 03Martin Büttner 5* (+235) 10Created page with "What an interesting language. :) Would you mind including a sentence about the significance of the alternative name "Qugord"? --~~~~" < 1441229417 756944 :`^_^v!~nycs@rrcs-24-136-112-98.nyc.biz.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1441229754 285794 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Rdococ14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44014&oldid=43966 5* 03Rdococ 5* (+13) 10/* My esoteric programming languages */ < 1441230237 605670 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441230298 514906 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1441231212 648503 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1441231600 710433 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1441232392 873099 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :Great repository names are short and memorable. Need inspiration? How about strident-rutabaga. < 1441232401 852962 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks github that's exactly what i was looking for < 1441232569 513213 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :this-repo-name-is-neither-short-nor-whatwasit? < 1441232776 317501 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf ritabaga < 1441232783 61106 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*u < 1441233011 448381 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441233259 368470 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not just any rutabaga, a strident one. < 1441233974 202662 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441234837 359028 :clog!~nef@bespin.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1441234914 626298 :mihow!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1441237631 90586 :MDream!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441237855 400360 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1441237877 558310 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441237991 90993 :MDream!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1441238662 532420 :MDream!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441238824 439039 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1441239059 492583 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :good eeing < 1441239336 860991 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hellu < 1441239352 659184 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gragh. my aes key expansion still isn't working < 1441240076 728991 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you... reimplementing AES? < 1441240086 850834 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. In visual basic < 1441240135 428610 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hastebin.com/anopomiyay.vbs < 1441240163 824809 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats what I have so far but the key expansion is not giving the righyt output < 1441240212 242815 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought you were going to use existing crypto. < 1441240230 630794 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah. < 1441240251 395723 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll do that if this gets too frustrating < 1441240291 438561 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's weird is only a few of the bytes of the expanded key are wrong < 1441240380 998861 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in the particular unit test of the key 00000000000000000000000000000000) < 1441240393 762735 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you checked the iteration-by-iteration key expansion examples in the standard? < 1441240550 95179 :ProofTechnique!~Ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441240560 510513 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's true, I should just log the same things they did and compare... < 1441240565 468901 :ProofTechnique!~Ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Helloren < 1441240676 843095 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok never mind I had an off by one error < 1441240698 37310 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ProofTechnique < 1441240717 55894 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm making AES in Visual Basic < 1441240729 550544 :ProofTechnique!~Ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sorry < 1441240731 624805 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://arin.ga/CpcwH6 < 1441240913 35268 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It working! I fix it! < 1441240938 768689 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...on one example. I should add more unit tests < 1441240971 596502 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :before counting it as "done" < 1441241015 902690 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :however this is a major step towards getting the ssh to work < 1441241146 130061 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: Um... < 1441241158 6342 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you just use two different links to the same thing? < 1441241197 371031 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to go on the record here that despite the suggestion, I'm in no way promoting homebrew cryptography. < 1441241197 722575 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. whoops < 1441241220 915292 :impomatic_!~digital_w@81.174.207.110 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441241222 958941 :darkl0ck_!~v1rtuehea@TOROON2634W-LP140-03-2925478442.dsl.bell.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1441241235 838827 :impomatic_!~digital_w@81.174.207.110 QUIT :Client Quit < 1441241319 562953 :darkl0ck!~v1rtuehea@174.95.62.25 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441241852 83206 :clog!~nef@bespin.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1441242113 306665 :mauris_!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1441243683 854653 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Pikalang14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44015&oldid=41282 5* 0368.50.42.113 5* (+26) 10/* Commands */ < 1441243790 144697 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Pikalang14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44016&oldid=44015 5* 03Grotr 5* (+3) 10/* External resources */ < 1441244255 513443 :mauris_!~mauris@2601:58a:101:2cc0:6cf0:ffbf:7f9a:f1c3 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441244255 567804 :mauris_!~mauris@2601:58a:101:2cc0:6cf0:ffbf:7f9a:f1c3 QUIT :Changing host < 1441244255 567863 :mauris_!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric < 1441244701 493737 :mauris_!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric : I want to go on the record here that despite the suggestion, I'm in no way promoting homebrew cryptography. <-- eh, someone's gotta brew it, right? < 1441244731 302291 :darkl0ck_!~v1rtuehea@TOROON2634W-LP140-02-2925477401.dsl.bell.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1441244819 910812 :mauris_!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, there are presumably existing, well-tested implementations of AES for visual basic, so i think it's a bit silly to write your own, but like, if oren writes their own and tests it thoroughly as well, i see no reason to trust any existing implementation more than oren's < 1441244918 481470 :darkl0ck!~v1rtuehea@174.95.62.25 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1441245002 81984 :fowl!fowl@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-kaoofczbpitleznd QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1441245031 448800 :fowl!fowl@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-fbgzdhexcqyleohq JOIN :#esoteric < 1441245057 341403 :mauris_!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :(imo i'm not a professional cryptozoologist though so what do i know! i'm definitely interested to find out if there's more to it than "this produced the same output as an existing trustworthy implementation for a couple thousand random inputs, so it's trustworthy") < 1441245090 690663 :fowl!fowl@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-fbgzdhexcqyleohq QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1441245121 228836 :fowl!fowl@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-cdfegegrledrvahr JOIN :#esoteric < 1441245376 445351 :fowl!fowl@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-cdfegegrledrvahr QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1441245391 631718 :notfowl!fowl@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-aqvskljkebunwppi JOIN :#esoteric < 1441245546 36950 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1441245765 511117 :grotewold!~grotewold@c-68-50-42-113.hsd1.in.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441245876 439039 :notfowl!fowl@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-aqvskljkebunwppi NICK :Guest19768 < 1441245977 740205 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1441246085 456321 :mauris__!~mauris@c-69-254-26-224.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441246191 118665 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441246279 474061 :mauris_!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1441246342 655534 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mauris__: there are other problems, relating to the trustworthiness of VB itelf. typically crypto is written in C or even assembly so the compiler hopefully can't introduce weakness < 1441246381 493144 :grotewold!~grotewold@c-68-50-42-113.hsd1.in.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1441246463 584059 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in other words just because my code looks right and produces the right output doesn't mean Microsoft's compiler or garabage collector or whatever isn't screwing you < 1441246865 276608 :grotewold!~grotewold@c-68-50-42-113.hsd1.in.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441246922 10210 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can I make a language which's programs are harder to hack and are more secure? < 1441246923 141875 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well < 1441246951 974244 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :1) Provide well-tested standard libraries for security (no hacky hashing for you!) < 1441246958 752888 :mauris__!~mauris@c-69-254-26-224.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: oh, like the plaintext lingering around in memory? < 1441246987 706042 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mauris__: Yes, like that xD < 1441247013 47661 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :2) Provide easy mechanisms to catch crashes so that you don't leave something open to kill it < 1441247045 673338 :grotewold!~grotewold@c-68-50-42-113.hsd1.in.comcast.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1441247093 427945 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :3) provide a nocache storage modifier that disables disk cahing, and a zero() function that takes such a variable and zeroes it < 1441247118 469456 :grotewold!~grotewold@c-68-50-42-113.hsd1.in.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441247120 313674 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't C compilers optimize stuff? < 1441247127 53649 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is not what you need with crypto < 1441247139 458701 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(modern compilers are known to optimize out the part of an algorithm that deletes that plaintext) < 1441247160 135046 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: yes, which is why it needs to move to assumply < 1441247318 668650 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Ingredients-Oriented Paradigm14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44017&oldid=44000 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+675) 10Added some stuff and rearranged < 1441247464 858445 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Ingredients-Oriented Paradigm14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44018&oldid=44017 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+313) 10Exception Handling < 1441248147 928970 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oooh < 1441248154 561467 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Constraint Programming looks interesting < 1441248166 450238 :grotewold!~grotewold@c-68-50-42-113.hsd1.in.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1441248253 474761 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-092-072-129-184.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1441248324 443803 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-129-184.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1441248368 478198 :mauris__!~mauris@c-69-254-26-224.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!tell ais523 WUUI question: "Whenever (to be precise, just after) any expression is evaluated," <-- how many expressions is, say, "x[0]/3"? < 1441248370 693205 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: WUUI: question:: Whenever (to be precise, just after) any expression is evaluated,: <--: how: many: expressions: is,: say,: x[0]/3?: < 1441248381 641574 :mauris__!~mauris@c-69-254-26-224.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell ais523 WUUI question: "Whenever (to be precise, just after) any expression is evaluated," <-- how many expressions is, say, "x[0]/3"? < 1441248381 695911 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1441248407 162985 :mauris__!~mauris@c-69-254-26-224.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`thanks EgoBot < 1441248422 597276 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, EgoBot. ThEgoBot. < 1441248498 673113 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`thanks walrusman < 1441248499 666469 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, walrusman. Thalrusman. < 1441248582 21138 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, how is it even possible that I did the shift rows step wrong? < 1441248659 6003 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's solved, bu the output is still worng. back to the drawing beard < 1441248863 398067 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-163-170.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1441249245 205099 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`thanks lllllleeeeroooooy_jenkins < 1441249245 895638 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, lllllleeeeroooooy_jenkins. Theeeeroooooy_jenkins. < 1441249253 345172 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interesting < 1441249256 373471 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1441249307 281383 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd like to see a Programming Language which is centred around defining abstract machines (turing, kolmogorov, FSMs, etc) and letting those evaluate for you < 1441249321 963037 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Declarative programming in a nutshell, I suppose xD < 1441249371 444488 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone want to define an EsoFSM? < 1441249441 559499 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell hppavilion[1] you are a walrus. Fear your wrath < 1441249441 650850 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can tell yourself! < 1441249450 723128 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell hppavilion[1] you are a walrus. Fear your wrath < 1441249450 777561 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can tell yourself! < 1441249464 406219 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@clear < 1441249464 460395 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you meant: clear-auto-reply clear-messages clear-topic learn < 1441249566 469776 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-092-072-163-170.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1441249602 675820 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@help < 1441249602 730288 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :help . Ask for help for . Try 'list' for all commands < 1441249609 933507 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@list < 1441249609 987906 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :What module? Try @listmodules for some ideas. < 1441249615 657419 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@help list < 1441249615 711714 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :list [module|command]. Show commands for [module] or the module providing [command]. < 1441249626 295499 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@list command < 1441249626 396022 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :No module "command" loaded < 1441249629 819927 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@list help < 1441249629 922660 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :help provides: help < 1441249638 889562 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@list list < 1441249638 943965 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :system provides: listchans listmodules listservers list echo uptime < 1441249650 751514 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@list echo < 1441249650 805801 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :system provides: listchans listmodules listservers list echo uptime < 1441249656 362992 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@echo "Walrus Man" < 1441249656 417821 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo; msg:IrcMessage {ircMsgServer = "freenode", ircMsgLBName = "lambdabot", ircMsgPrefix = "hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net", ircMsgCommand = "PRIVMSG", ircMsgParams = ["#esoteric",":@echo \"Walrus Man\""]} target:#esoteric rest:"\"Walrus Man\"" < 1441249668 36271 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@@ < 1441249698 791807 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell walrus GET OUT OF MY BODY < 1441249698 893688 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1441249749 610947 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hppavilion[1] < 1441249749 700723 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1441249757 31763 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell tell tell < 1441249757 85943 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1441249778 822520 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should stop before I make someone very powerful* angry < 1441249789 310138 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*(Not at all powerful) < 1441249859 914150 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone love me < 1441249903 985462 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren b_jonas rdococ shachaf there are lonely people here < 1441249920 993896 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PART :#esoteric < 1441250004 29439 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So all the sub steps of AES are working perfectly, and yet the ouput is wrong?!! wtf is happenink here < 1441250023 284180 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You missed a substep perhaps? < 1441250035 653321 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps fungot does not will that you have encryption < 1441250035 999805 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: ( currycpseid a b). that means there's at the very least, they did. it's in all the shitty languages out there < 1441250059 472945 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot fungot fungot <-- I wonder if this prints more than one < 1441250059 677817 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: http://www.schemers.org/ documents/ standards/ fnord/ hallways/ etc? < 1441250062 803707 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope < 1441250202 202210 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think so. In fact my main cipher() function is virtually identical to the pseudocode in the standard < 1441250480 911858 :mauris__!~mauris@c-69-254-26-224.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell ais523 "An entire program is a single command." <-- I think you either forgot to put {} around the example program, or meant to write "list of commands" < 1441250480 966174 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1441250706 165052 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1441250991 130504 :ProofTechnique!~Ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com < 1441252274 105477 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU < 1441252300 447971 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441252331 582107 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :those... assholes who wrote the standards document store their arrays with columns in sequence! < 1441252355 197856 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What kind of fucking monster does that! < 1441252596 34924 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: What?? < 1441252609 438077 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which standards document? < 1441252631 81924 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: You. Fungot. Fungotify. < 1441252631 201318 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: i recognize that the idea of doing them like that, it means < 1441252633 579430 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://csrc.nist.gov/publications/fips/fips197/fips-197.pdf < 1441252660 369113 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :look at page 33 how the keyis loaded into the matrix < 1441252680 759276 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, the input < 1441252708 894185 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 bytes of the input goes into each column < 1441252735 543127 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I realized that the snub cube has a problem, considered as a die. < 1441252741 93860 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Besides the fact that it's not fair.) < 1441252764 415146 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: What's the problem? < 1441252773 603860 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, there are three classes of faces: squares; triangles adjacent to squares ("edge triangles"); and triangles not adjacent to squares ("corner triangles"). < 1441252773 859486 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I love how the universe has continuity) < 1441252791 911115 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Every square has an opposite face. Every corner triangle has an opposite face. Edge triangles do not have opposite faces. < 1441252805 192193 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh... oh god < 1441252826 71156 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Each *pair* of edge triangles has an opposite pair of edge triangles, but the two pairs are at a 90 degree angle to each other. < 1441252865 470937 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So if the die lands on an edge triangle, there's no top face; there's instead a top pair of faces, where one of the middle vertices is higher up than the other one. < 1441252882 311837 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wouldn't it be a quartet of edge triangles? < 1441252884 147161 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait < 1441252884 495782 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So apparently those assholes should have put a Transpose(State) at the start of their pseudocode but couldn't be bothered < 1441252886 174779 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No it wouldn't < 1441252924 233210 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you could simply mark those "edge triangle pair middle vertices" with numbers instead of marking the edge triangles themselves with numbers. < 1441252936 637755 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's kind of inelegant. < 1441252958 880087 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But does it have the number of sides you wanted? < 1441252985 429228 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OOOOOOOOOOh < 1441252998 671416 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I missed the "So if..." part < 1441253016 493272 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"So if the die lands on an edge triangle, there's no top face; there's instead a top pair of faces, where one of the middle vertices is higher up than the other one." < 1441253021 858404 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does have the number of sides I want. < 1441253030 863531 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I figured that out < 1441253044 191284 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So are you going to hunt down and kill the person who suggested a snub cube? < 1441253044 396640 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I pretty much can't imagine going with a shape that's not either a snub cube or a variant of the snub cube. < 1441253063 671096 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I think the snub cube was a great suggestion, and I'm really grateful to whoever it was. < 1441253073 965556 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just going to have to alter it a little. < 1441253148 972927 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well I should get around to finding out what a snub cube < 1441253149 870587 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is < 1441253157 909785 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dropped a word < 1441253158 813889 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there < 1441253254 442510 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want 3D Animated SVG < 1441253274 638117 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :SVOPENGLIF if you will < 1441253744 900851 :haavard!freebsd@haavard.me QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1441253778 107865 :haavard!freebsd@haavard.me JOIN :#esoteric < 1441253834 7431 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1441254898 55572 :mauris__!~mauris@c-69-254-26-224.hsd1.fl.comcast.net NICK :mauris < 1441254911 616611 :mauris!~mauris@c-69-254-26-224.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Changing host < 1441254911 670966 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric < 1441256365 912781 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It work! < 1441256425 463376 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://arin.ga/Gd7e6L < 1441256454 50243 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also has my very incomplete SSH class) < 1441256458 970854 :Walpurgisnacht!~ah@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441256553 98750 :Walpurgisnacht!~ah@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Explain what monads are in full depth from memory but very simply < 1441256650 402872 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Iv'e heard they're used as a way to encapsulate statefulness away from the pure functional code < 1441256680 740258 :Walpurgisnacht!~ah@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mmm < 1441256685 770582 :Walpurgisnacht!~ah@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds useful < 1441256918 721167 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :However in addition Haskell represents basically all data structures as monads, for uh... reasons. < 1441257331 967146 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Walpurgisnacht: the programming definitions: they're a way to chain computations with a certain context together < 1441257355 806137 :Walpurgisnacht!~ah@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mmm < 1441257356 122964 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :here "context" is a very vague thing, of course! < 1441257505 851343 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can mean, "optionally not returning a value" (a -> Maybe b), or "optionally returning many values representing possibilities for some non-deterministic computation" (a -> List b), or "computations using IO" (a -> IO b) < 1441257582 183076 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :in each of these, a monad is essentially some fluff that lets you chain (a -> m b), (b -> m c), (c -> m d), ... together in a way that makes sense < 1441257637 593946 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and also, supplies an (a -> m a) computation -- one that "does nothing", but in the context in question) < 1441257668 719425 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :here's a very simple computation that can fail and not return a value: < 1441257689 134532 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :@let halve x = if even x then Just (x `div` 2) else Nothing < 1441257691 166617 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Defined. < 1441257701 836088 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [halve 2, halve 3, halve 4, halve 5, halve 6] < 1441257703 760908 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : [Just 1,Nothing,Just 2,Nothing,Just 3] < 1441257718 295053 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441257724 59909 :Walpurgisnacht!~ah@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1441257728 805661 :Walpurgisnacht!~ah@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How useful < 1441257730 865754 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :its type is: < 1441257733 198267 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t halve < 1441257734 467876 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Integral a => a -> Maybe a < 1441257757 451417 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, haskell made that confusing. but it's (Int -> Maybe Int), essentially. < 1441257793 425750 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :now, suppose we want to halve a thing three times, but if we fail along the way there, return Nothing < 1441257828 251737 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :we can't do: halve (halve (halve 24)) < 1441257844 538868 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :because halve wants an Int, not a Maybe Int! < 1441257856 408496 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :so we use the confusingly-typed: < 1441257859 768210 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (>>=) < 1441257861 534152 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Monad m => m a -> (a -> m b) -> m b < 1441257886 983687 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :it takes the result of some computation, and the next step to pipe that value through < 1441257917 189886 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :so this works: < 1441257934 435352 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :> halve 24 >>= halve >>= halve < 1441257937 313624 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Just 3 < 1441257947 88711 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@li611-52.members.linode.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1441258020 722674 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is much nicer than what we'd have to write otherwise: https://bpaste.net/show/898533b7f3f7 < 1441258049 457311 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :grfmbl < 1441258135 86955 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Walpurgisnacht: do you know what the type IO a means, in Haskell? < 1441258164 637631 :Walpurgisnacht!~ah@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not really I'm still pretty new with haskell < 1441258235 936924 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok. it's roughly something like... a recipe for how to get a value of the type 'a' from the outside world < 1441258245 103013 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t getChar -- for example < 1441258247 428412 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :IO Char < 1441258289 163481 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :the crucial thing to understand about these is that you can't "call" them! < 1441258334 319282 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :(oh, i meant to write: "get a value of the type 'a' from the outside world, optionally doing some other stuff on the side") < 1441258355 945952 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, the only one that ever gets ran is main :: IO (). < 1441258472 92064 :Walpurgisnacht!~ah@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1441258478 898833 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :when you write a Haskell program, all you're doing is describing how the steps for "main" fit together < 1441258537 656591 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can never execute a sub-step (there is no function "IO a -> a"), only combine a bunch of them and call it "main". this is why Haskell is pure! < 1441258574 848336 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then how do you interleave inputs and outputs to write an interactive program? < 1441258624 371680 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :and as you have probably read somewhere, this "chaining steps together" stuff happens using a monad < 1441258680 634817 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: i'll demonstrate that in a bit < 1441258714 649201 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :the type of (>>=), the "bind" combinator we used before, in the IO monad, is: IO a -> (a -> IO b) -> IO b < 1441258813 59630 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means: 'given an IO computation that gets us an "a", and another IO computation that WOULD return a "b" if only we knew which "a" to use, combine them into an IO computation returning a "b"'. < 1441258836 104601 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :the second thing (a -> IO b) might be confusing, but there's a really simple example: < 1441258838 388829 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t readFile < 1441258839 778816 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :FilePath -> IO String < 1441258863 253486 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :this WOULD be an IO String, but it needs to be told which file path to read from first < 1441258867 600010 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t readFile "foo.txt" < 1441258868 946319 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :IO String < 1441258878 553398 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ and now it's an IO String. < 1441258905 950118 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :so now we can combine two IO steps together where the second depends on the result of the first < 1441258917 906856 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t getLine -- from standard input < 1441258919 337245 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :IO String < 1441258956 217672 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t putStrLn -- to standard output, with a dummy result () (think "void" in C-like langs) < 1441258957 922300 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :String -> IO () < 1441259001 528457 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :now we can write a program that reads a line and prints it by piping them together with (>>=)! < 1441259028 506846 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t getLine >>= putStrLn -- has the right type to be "main"! < 1441259029 805819 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :IO () < 1441259060 919322 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :we still haven't done any line-getting or string-putting, here. we *only* described a program that does those steps in order -- the second depending on the result of the first < 1441259116 967460 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t getLine >>= readFile >>= putStrLn < 1441259118 321913 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :IO () < 1441259149 912552 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :another valid program: "get a line; with the result read a file; with the result write a string." < 1441259221 229277 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (getLine >>= readFile) >>= putStrLn -- for clarity < 1441259223 16632 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :IO () < 1441259302 900373 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :a common case, of course, is that the second step doesn't depend on the first -- we simply want to put them in order < 1441259312 475549 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's an operator for that, too: < 1441259314 807565 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (>>) < 1441259316 218003 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Monad m => m a -> m b -> m b < 1441259382 870245 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1441259527 970419 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1441259562 704745 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Walpurgisnacht: oren: https://bpaste.net/show/5525a8366547 <-- here is a more complicated example < 1441259622 105305 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :"\name -> blah" is a lambda. a very common pattern is: < 1441259667 235853 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :someAction >>= (\foo -> ...) -- where ... is some other action that needs the result of the previous one -- which we've called "foo" < 1441259701 514813 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in the type "IO a -> (a -> IO b) -> IO b", foo is our "a") < 1441259716 358524 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and the whole lambda is the "(a -> IO b)") < 1441259826 131386 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: the program is interactive! we chain the steps "get line; print; get line; print" together to one big "main", but when it gets executed, those steps aren't necessarily done all at once; we can perform the first step without worrying about the third one. < 1441259896 702263 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :now you're thinking: "that looks freaking awful. i don't want to write those pesky >>= and >> and lambdas everywhere! i just want to write my steps in order and be done with it." < 1441259997 342436 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the Haskell people agree! there's some syntactic sugar called "do-notation" that lets you do just that: https://bpaste.net/show/7df7e88f4f6e < 1441260012 396108 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh. >> is ; and >>= is function composition where unlike C, the functions are written in the order they are executed < 1441260060 193190 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not so awful, just uses symbols in unorthodox ways < 1441260106 160854 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :"p >> q" became "p; q" (you can put semicolons instead of newlines), and "p >>= (x -> q)" became "x <- p; q" < 1441260163 605558 :Walpurgisnacht!~ah@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jeeze I have a lot to learn < 1441260174 5207 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :do-notation is a bit confusing, because writing "do { line <- getLine; putStrLn line }" looks a *lot* like a bit of imperative code that you can execute. but in reality it's *still* just a pretty way to describe how they fit together! < 1441260239 933046 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, i'm derailing a bit. understanding do-notation is something you can worry about separately :) < 1441260247 815230 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that seems like a meaningless distiction to me. it executes when you run main, in the order you wrote it, just like in C < 1441260313 633715 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: That's the goal. The trick is, *not everything in Haskell works like that*. < 1441260352 67828 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The parts that aren't IO don't have to be in any order, but that is ALSO true in C with modern compilers < 1441260360 62414 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :The goal is, you write imperative code, pretty much as imperative code, and then functional code as functional code. < 1441260449 74166 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also worth noting -- IO is not the only monad. < 1441260453 288017 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can write your own. < 1441260461 348332 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, >> is ;, but it's a programmable ; < 1441260468 614783 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :still, very nice of the Haskell makers to include an algol-derivative-mode < 1441260529 444875 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if haskell tutorials started with main = do that would make haskell much more popular < 1441260536 193239 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :the goal also is: there's no way to *call* the imperative parts from the functional parts. you can only click functional parts together, or click them onto imperative parts to get bigger imperative parts < 1441260571 901522 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1441260586 887993 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441260737 910236 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Walpurgisnacht: if you got lost at any point, feel free to point that out! < 1441260760 810417 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let foo a = do { x <- a; return (x+1) } in foo [1,2,3] < 1441260762 851847 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : [2,3,4] < 1441260774 102665 :Walpurgisnacht!~ah@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1441260792 334739 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :the "real" way to monad enlightenment is: write a lot of code for each individual monad and then see the overarching pattern, because it's very vague < 1441260827 150297 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :the IO and Maybe monads do very different kinds of things in one way, but they're very similar in another! < 1441260879 846487 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yes, a list is also a monad) < 1441260889 395290 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t Just 1 >> Just 3 < 1441260891 13045 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Num b => Maybe b < 1441261007 711523 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> Just 1 >> Just 3 < 1441261009 982557 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Just 3 < 1441261043 413427 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t >>= < 1441261045 451225 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :parse error on input ‘>>=’ < 1441261055 5114 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t `>>=` < 1441261056 296582 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :parse error on input ‘`’ < 1441261056 541240 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :> Just 1 >>= (\valueInsideJust -> Just 3) -- equivalent < 1441261058 470555 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Just 3 < 1441261093 413113 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :> Just 1 >>= (\valueInsideJust -> valueInsideTheJust + 3) -- also possible, and if we don't supply a Just to start with: < 1441261095 164170 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: ‘valueInsideTheJust’ < 1441261095 218447 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Perhaps you meant ‘valueInsideJust’ (line 1) < 1441261102 426981 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :> Just 1 >>= (\valueInsideJust -> valueInsideJust + 3) -- also possible, and if we don't supply a Just to start with: < 1441261104 300292 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (Show b0) < 1441261104 354729 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from a use of ‘show_M889533674962114763625185’ < 1441261104 354796 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : The type variable ‘b0’ is ambiguous < 1441261118 186797 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh. lambdabottttt < 1441261141 283101 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, duh. < 1441261156 434808 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :> Just 1 >>= (\valueInsideJust -> Just (valueInsideJust + 3)) < 1441261159 17777 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Just 4 < 1441261169 315226 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :> Nothing >>= (\valueInsideJust -> Just (valueInsideJust + 3)) < 1441261170 893158 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Nothing < 1441261206 98632 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :for >>= in Maybe, if we start with a failed computation, that failure gets propagated; else we continue with the result. < 1441261279 385116 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :> Just "heya" >>= Just >>= Just >>= Just >>= (\x -> Nothing) >>= Just >>= Just < 1441261282 92137 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Nothing < 1441261299 717413 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :if *any* of the steps go wrong, the whole chain fails < 1441261333 69774 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Just is simply (\x -> Just x), so it's a valid right-hand operand to >>=) < 1441261566 491168 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay, a monad tutorial < 1441261602 323027 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the thing to remember is that monads are a lot like burritos < 1441262373 320566 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :here's something depressing: < 1441262378 297436 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"When the Java 8 library team was designing Optional there was some opposition to the idea that it should contain some useful methods (essentially Optional.map and Optional.flatMap) on the somewhat spurious grounds that they didn't want their Optional to be a Monad." < 1441262558 400562 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Java team is always trying to restrict what sort of code can be written < 1441262703 311452 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they in particular loathe functions < 1441263209 325839 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why did they add lambdas then < 1441263675 70056 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do i test if $myprogram is faster than $otherprogram if the disk io is the bottleneck? < 1441263699 716985 :Walpurgisnacht!~ah@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net QUIT :Quit: Fuck me < 1441263709 428343 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhm, i need a fast way to generate pseudorandom crap < 1441263750 783723 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :like a few gb < 1441263754 185721 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :any ideas? <.< < 1441263787 811918 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf JOIN :#esoteric < 1441263848 868854 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :another pleasant interjection from our clear wire friend < 1441264156 740179 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1441264246 113622 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :umtry dd if=/dev/urandom of=temp bs=1048576 count=%nunmber of megabytes% < 1441264261 885987 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@2a02:2c40:400::1:6e46 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441264335 368782 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's saving it to disk < 1441264352 897977 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do i feed it to my programs without disk being the bottleneck? < 1441264458 708825 :zadock!~outsider@109.166.132.33 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441264505 899478 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :prog Great repository names are short and memorable. Need inspiration? How about strident-rutabaga. <-- sorry, but my heart long since decided on "reactive banana" hth < 1441264536 630891 :zadock!~outsider@109.166.132.33 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1441264601 441658 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait yours doesn't exist, cheater! < 1441264621 932653 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@vps2.conus.info QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1441264659 785542 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i must admit that reactive banana is memorable < 1441265012 421484 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` cc $'#include \n#include \nmain() { srand(time(0)); for(;;) putchar(rand()); } | dd of=/dev/null bs=1M count=1K < 1441265013 163393 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: -c: line 0: unexpected EOF while looking for matching `'' \ bash: -c: line 1: syntax error: unexpected end of file < 1441265018 297323 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` cc $'#include \n#include \nmain() { srand(time(0)); for(;;) putchar(rand()); } | dd of=/dev/null bs=1M count=1K < 1441265020 861897 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: -c: line 0: unexpected EOF while looking for matching `'' \ bash: -c: line 1: syntax error: unexpected end of file < 1441265021 405368 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oops < 1441265133 859313 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :well thanks < 1441265135 887466 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` cc $'#include \n#include \nmain() { srand(time(0)); for(;;) putchar(rand()); }' | dd of=/dev/null bs=1K count=100K 2>&1 < 1441265143 175651 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :102400+0 records in \ 102400+0 records out \ 104857600 bytes (105 MB) copied, 6.6342 s, 15.8 MB/s < 1441265147 968838 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's unusually slow < 1441265170 2517 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wouldn't say "unusually"... < 1441265223 373364 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're throwing away most of the data you get from rand and you're printing one character at a time < 1441265525 417372 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` cc $'#include \n#include \nmain() { char buf[4096]; for(;;) fwrite(buf, sizeof buf, 1, stdout); }' | dd of=/dev/null bs=4K count=100K 2>&1 < 1441265531 941015 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :102400+0 records in \ 102400+0 records out \ 419430400 bytes (419 MB) copied, 5.78028 s, 72.6 MB/s < 1441265618 437126 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, syscall overhead < 1441265630 658309 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441265630 903990 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` cc $'#include \n#include \nmain() { char buf[1<<20]; for(;;) fwrite(buf, sizeof buf, 1, stdout); }' | dd of=/dev/null bs=1M count=1K 2>&1 < 1441265632 862246 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dd: warning: partial read (4096 bytes); suggest iflag=fullblock \ 469+555 records in \ 469+555 records out \ 782241792 bytes (782 MB) copied, 0.911976 s, 858 MB/s < 1441265642 716836 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` cc $'#include \n#include \nmain() { char buf[1<<20]; for(;;) fwrite(buf, sizeof buf, 1, stdout); }' | dd iflag=fullblock of=/dev/null bs=1M count=1K 2>&1 < 1441265644 569178 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1024+0 records in \ 1024+0 records out \ 1073741824 bytes (1.1 GB) copied, 1.17474 s, 914 MB/s < 1441266645 683532 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :putchar() doesn't really print "one character at a time" unless you specifically get an unbuffered stream. < 1441266731 729869 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :well there's the function call overhead < 1441266778 688429 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And HackEgo's performance characteristics aren't probably very good if you're looking for something "normal", since UML. < 1441266801 549679 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's that cc ? < 1441266903 920490 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@2a02:2c40:400::1:6e46 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1441266942 934417 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/cc < 1441266944 54697 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/sh \ echo "$@" | sed 's/\\/\n/g' >/tmp/a.c && gcc -w -Wfatal-errors -std=c11 -O2 /tmp/a.c -o /tmp/a.out && /tmp/a.out < 1441266978 925501 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@vps2.conus.info JOIN :#esoteric < 1441267160 895654 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's pretty convenient < 1441267221 361148 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like it using a useless temporary file for the source. < 1441267243 196101 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!show tell < 1441267243 389991 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :sh xargs printf "%s: "; sed 's/.*# *//g' interps/$1 < 1441267261 241012 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: what would you have it use instead? < 1441267298 717539 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION suddenly remembers show n tell < 1441267330 366862 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure we have/had that in norway < 1441267347 495709 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :be glad you didn't/don't < 1441267379 350186 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` sed -I 's{>/tmp/a.c &&}{|};s|/tmp/a.c|-x c -|' bin/cc < 1441267380 311675 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sed: invalid option -- 'I' \ Usage: sed [OPTION]... {script-only-if-no-other-script} [input-file]... \ \ -n, --quiet, --silent \ suppress automatic printing of pattern space \ -e script, --expression=script \ add the script to the commands to be executed \ -f script-file, --file=script-file \ < 1441267391 823649 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` sed -e 's{>/tmp/a.c &&}{|};s|/tmp/a.c|-x c -|' bin/cc < 1441267392 518531 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sed: -e expression #1, char 37: unterminated `s' command < 1441267393 520105 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't even get the whole point of it. 'look at my stuff, this is what i own'? < 1441267402 540784 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh < 1441267424 152904 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` sed -e 's,>/tmp/a.c &&,|,;s|/tmp/a.c|-x c -|' bin/cc < 1441267424 941002 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/sh \ echo "$@" | sed 's/\\/\n/g' | gcc -w -Wfatal-errors -std=c11 -O2 -x c - -o /tmp/a.out && /tmp/a.out < 1441267437 569769 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` sed -i -e 's,>/tmp/a.c &&,|,;s|/tmp/a.c|-x c -|' bin/cc < 1441267440 295026 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1441267556 236487 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :stalem: wikipedia suggests it's to "teach public speaking", which is admittedly something no one ever taught me afair. < 1441267564 948697 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cc #include \ main(){puts("you ok?");} < 1441267566 302003 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you ok? < 1441267568 527739 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so maybe i should regret we didn't have it < 1441267577 3815 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd use that instead. < 1441267603 529027 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: haha good point! < 1441267635 592737 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that's a pretty valid reason, but then again i must be the exception to the rule or that system doesn't work < 1441267654 838308 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo there are far better ways to teach public speaking than showing off material things your parents got you < 1441267757 6224 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.190.253.145 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441267969 646125 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Our `cc is much less convenient than ##c's candide's ,cc, which does all kinds of intelligent stuff, like having an automated list of includes, handling #include without manual newlines, wrapping a main automatically if not present (even extracting other functions out of the wrapper if you have mixed functions and code), supporting input, automatically printing local variables and the last ... < 1441267975 657365 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... statement's value if you don't output anything, and so on and so forth. < 1441267978 193154 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, compare `cc #include \ int main(void) { printf("%zu", sizeof (int)); } vs ,cc size_t s = sizeof (int); which adds includes, wraps in main and auto-prints s. < 1441268004 322710 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is candide implemented? < 1441268004 733919 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: you should improve it twh < 1441268040 354331 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell hppavilion[1] I should stop before I make someone very powerful* angry <-- maybe too late, according to /whois, walrus has a redhat cloak. < 1441268040 408842 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1441268042 398876 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think we need all of that, but maybe I could add the "automatically include standard headers" + main-wrapping parts. < 1441268055 489895 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/cc < 1441268056 299612 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/sh \ echo "$@" | sed 's/\\/\n/g' | gcc -w -Wfatal-errors -std=c11 -O2 -x c - -o /tmp/a.out && /tmp/a.out < 1441268074 944547 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ashl: Huge gobs of Perl parsing code with regexps + lots of plumbing to run the stuff in a separate qemu VM. < 1441268082 365494 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::| < 1441268092 806362 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and gdb for the "print locals and last statement" parts. < 1441268116 807341 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(You can also call into gdb from the code, to e.g. print types and such.) < 1441268134 955537 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't we just have candide join this channel? < 1441268142 764919 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what we do with all the other bots. < 1441268181 275004 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: `interp's cc already does a lot of that stuff, doesn't it? < 1441268194 313197 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! cc printf("hi") < 1441268194 971759 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/bin/!: 4: exec: ibin/cc: not found < 1441268200 75305 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! gcc printf("hi") < 1441268200 692463 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/bin/!: 4: exec: ibin/gcc: not found < 1441268207 775337 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! c printf("hi") < 1441268210 819504 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1441268233 729235 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Badly, but it does make an attempt, yes. < 1441268311 690218 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It broke for some things, although I don't exactly remember what. < 1441268404 891613 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! c main(){ printf("%d", f(42)); } /* at least for this, though I guess you quite rarely need an explicit main */ < 1441268406 445216 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does not compile. < 1441268420 326257 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's supposed to try to compile both with and without the wrappings, but there was something wrong about that. < 1441268427 520683 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and the error messages are atrocious. < 1441268481 466707 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, what's wrong is that gcc these days supports putting essentially anything inside main, so the test for an error doesn't work < 1441268503 135888 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there's no option to disable this < 1441268551 528965 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :! c main(){ printf("%d", f(42)); } < 1441268559 752546 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c main(){ printf("%d", f(42)); } < 1441268562 903148 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does not compile. < 1441268565 68768 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I forgot the f() in there. < 1441268570 955910 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, *that* wouldn't compile anyway. < 1441268576 477082 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It was left from an earlier test.) < 1441268586 787465 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c main(){ printf("%d", 42); } < 1441268587 614526 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :42 < 1441268595 314396 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, would you look at that. < 1441268599 814552 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! c main(){ printf("%d", 42); } < 1441268601 45414 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :42 < 1441268602 112518 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although it's still probably using the wrapper. < 1441268624 416951 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I have no idea how to use preprocessor directives with !c, since I don't know how to make a newline in it. < 1441268625 447086 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe we found some workaround that i've forgotten < 1441268696 12978 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't it also use the \n trick < 1441268748 191960 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c #include \n int main(void) { printf("%zu", sizeof (int)); } < 1441268748 912148 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1441268768 756950 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c int main(void) { printf("%zu", sizeof (int)); } < 1441268769 527804 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1441268780 913290 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! c #include \n int main(void) { printf("%zu", sizeof (int)); } < 1441268782 219095 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 < 1441268791 103596 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparetnly not < 1441268885 326486 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I remember getting "No output." from it quite often. < 1441268950 96153 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help < 1441268950 197016 :zemhill__!bfjoust@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I do !zjoust; see http://zem.fi/bfjoust/ for more information. < 1441268950 251149 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​help: General commands: !help, !info, !bf_txtgen. See also !help languages, !help userinterps. You can get help on some commands by typing !help . < 1441268976 654353 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :is zemhill__ still broken < 1441268983 247809 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :!zjoust [] < 1441268983 334826 :zemhill__!bfjoust@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: "!zjoust progname code". See http://zem.fi/bfjoust/ for documentation. < 1441268991 310169 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :!zjoust hi [] < 1441269008 197261 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't look so good. < 1441269009 197467 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like < 1441269066 252729 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"SyntaxError: Unexpected end of input" on the web. Should probably look into fixing it. < 1441269083 975599 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :spot of the SyntaxError, governor? < 1441269155 825069 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"shachaf.hi" did end up in the hill log. < 1441269169 305480 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION does an oots spot check < 1441269178 426358 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I'll just restart it. < 1441269179 107722 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :n`olist < 1441269186 803650 :zemhill__!bfjoust@selene.zem.fi QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1441269203 337516 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :bfjoust@selene:~/bfjoust$ ./zhillbot.rb hill < 1441269203 478434 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :/usr/bin/env: ruby: No such file or directory < 1441269211 811750 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? twh < 1441269212 716815 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :twh would help, but is an hth derivative. hth. twh. hand. < 1441269235 5515 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: someone stole your precious minerals? < 1441269274 580162 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what's your latest olist predicton < 1441269285 272949 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i predict 1002 hth < 1441269295 802768 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I'm confused. There's no sign of ruby on the system, but it's worked before. < 1441269303 328814 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: fiendish < 1441269334 379518 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you sure you didn't move servers < 1441269432 512068 :Patashu!Patashu@27.253.115.204 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441269500 281792 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: this vampire gaze thing seems p. powerful < 1441269501 379803 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure, because I just ^c'd the bot and tried to run the same command from the bash history. < 1441269515 13805 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: apparently the only thing you can do is succeed in a will save < 1441269528 664250 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :so maybe the vampire will keep using it every turn until it works < 1441269530 13628 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did upgrade Debian releases, I think it lost ruby 1.9 and I had explicitly asked for that, so it didn't install 2.1 instead. < 1441269534 380101 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :would make for a good storyline < 1441269696 15580 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: whoa whoa whoa, running water is anti-vampire < 1441269710 159651 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the positive side, in the meanwhile the matrix library I was using (that kepts segfaulting etc.) has graduated from version numbers 0.0.x to 0.2.0, which maybe might make it not crash any more. < 1441269760 330114 :zemhill!bfjoust@selene.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1441269782 875705 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :!zjoust hi [] < 1441269783 994777 :zemhill!bfjoust@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie.hi: points -31.05, score 3.57, rank 47/47 < 1441269793 95245 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that was easy. < 1441269815 936628 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1441269831 847850 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember spending hours and doing a really crazy distcc trick to get the matrix lib installed on the previous server, because it didn't have enough memory to compile the native parts. < 1441269846 326664 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least this one has fully half a gig. < 1441269859 763138 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's, like, one sixth of my phone's RAM. < 1441269926 418361 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fancy < 1441269957 403840 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your phone has 3GB RAM? < 1441269960 499191 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i keep wondering if anything could happen to free the trapped real durkon < 1441269985 606749 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :who's to say what's real hth < 1441269988 65718 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441269991 712808 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I think so, yes. It seems like a strange but popular number. < 1441270000 409470 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wikipedia claims it does. < 1441270015 570833 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it a Nexus 6? < 1441270019 794231 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Surprisingly, yes. < 1441270045 647957 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also i'm still wondering if the other priests will assist somehow < 1441270060 39095 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although people at work have been recommending we'd explicitly not get Nexus devices for normal phone use, because our alpha test population is really skewed compared to the rest of the world. < 1441270081 304989 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh? < 1441270085 37229 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the freak probability of belkar showing up once more < 1441270157 952093 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :What was the 'huh?' about? < 1441270171 938519 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, i never found that azure city new year celebration < 1441270183 26374 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1441270276 596223 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm maybe... < 1441270386 973186 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :right there http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0315.html < 1441270465 486294 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1441270513 738081 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :! < 1441270665 14041 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure what you're getting at twh < 1441270825 81142 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1441270829 520575 :heddwch!~heddwch@76.8.3.189 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1441270829 574986 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1441270844 936879 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: the calendar thing < 1441270862 186163 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1441270866 678574 :heddwch!~heddwch@76.8.3.189 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441270896 691588 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about it < 1441271022 675148 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: whoa whoa whoa, http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0326.html < 1441271028 217445 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :evidence that the world won't be destroyed < 1441271034 524440 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well still not much. it doesn't exactly say how long after solstice it is < 1441271081 110317 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1441271087 594106 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly JOIN :#esoteric < 1441271301 739824 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: OKAY < 1441271414 753240 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hmm, durkon still needs to return home posthumously < 1441271423 552264 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it seems unlikely that he'd be resurrected < 1441271443 300428 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :though i suppose you could count everything as posthumous, even after resurrection < 1441271450 363750 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1441271496 522647 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :but he also needs to bring death and destruction when he returns home < 1441271503 344380 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :all signs point to vampire < 1441271674 158287 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^8ball vampire < 1441271674 212544 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1441271679 721737 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, that sign doesn't < 1441271700 253156 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what death and destruction < 1441271738 986896 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do not recall that part. < 1441271757 534670 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was the prophecy in book 0 < 1441271774 269523 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :now available for the first time in digital pdf format from gumroad < 1441271775 51716 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth < 1441271794 235521 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you get a cut or something? < 1441271819 429660 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :^8ball < 1441271819 483986 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1441271841 381235 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :admittedly it wasn't an oracle prophecy in particular < 1441271845 647902 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i will have none of your fake prophecies < 1441271892 552061 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i shall define canon as "only what i don't need to pay for" hth < 1441271933 861555 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07SPBCL14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=44019 5* 03Notjohnconway 5* (+1815) 10Created page with "'''Simple program-based computing language''' (SPBCL) is a Turing-complete [[esoteric programming language]] developed by [[User:Notjohnconway]] that are based off of the simp..." < 1441271967 582092 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what about all the time investment hth < 1441272013 582438 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not relevant to my bank account hth < 1441272039 352162 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1441272742 106858 :rdococ!~rd606six@cpc1-staf7-2-0-cust557.3-1.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441272742 161106 :rdococ!~rd606six@cpc1-staf7-2-0-cust557.3-1.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1441272803 276056 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :GG prediction: finding that doctor will require Agatha to go to martellus's grandmother's party < 1441272957 802126 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :^8ball is this always No. < 1441272957 894870 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1441272973 979606 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: thanks for clearing that up. < 1441272974 403817 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well, except fnord ( heh) hi yome! how's going the work on threading in gambit, but i prefer things to be potentially confused about. introduce it only after you are certain that they are not < 1441273041 270817 :mauris_!~mauris@2601:58a:101:2cc0:6cf0:ffbf:7f9a:f1c3 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441273041 325260 :mauris_!~mauris@2601:58a:101:2cc0:6cf0:ffbf:7f9a:f1c3 QUIT :Changing host < 1441273041 325295 :mauris_!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric < 1441273224 367197 :rdococ!~rd606six@cpc1-staf7-2-0-cust557.3-1.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441273236 430167 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1441273561 914635 :mauris!~mauris@2601:58a:101:2cc0:6cf0:ffbf:7f9a:f1c3 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441273562 334030 :mauris!~mauris@2601:58a:101:2cc0:6cf0:ffbf:7f9a:f1c3 QUIT :Changing host < 1441273562 388360 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric < 1441273747 493468 :mauris_!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1441274435 40282 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do I ask git to tell me the names of config files it uses? < 1441274657 378820 :mauris_!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric < 1441274851 943443 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1441276100 89253 :rdococ_!~rd606six@cpc1-staf7-2-0-cust557.3-1.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441276117 239450 :rdococ!~rd606six@cpc1-staf7-2-0-cust557.3-1.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1441276617 89078 :rdococ_!~rd606six@cpc1-staf7-2-0-cust557.3-1.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1441276664 930953 :rdococ!~rd606six@cpc1-staf7-2-0-cust557.3-1.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441276950 945297 :rdococ!~rd606six@cpc1-staf7-2-0-cust557.3-1.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1441277175 99662 :rdococ!~rd606six@cpc1-staf7-2-0-cust557.3-1.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441277181 820948 :fowl!~notfowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth QUIT :Quit: http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere. < 1441277219 510896 :Guest19768!fowl@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-aqvskljkebunwppi NICK :fowl < 1441277222 603589 :fowl!fowl@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-aqvskljkebunwppi QUIT :Changing host < 1441277222 657827 :fowl!fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth JOIN :#esoteric < 1441277222 657886 :fowl!fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth QUIT :Changing host < 1441277222 657905 :fowl!fowl@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-aqvskljkebunwppi JOIN :#esoteric < 1441277580 397203 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^8ball is completely deterministic. < 1441277580 503008 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1441277593 737825 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^8ball And I mean more by that than just saying it's always no. < 1441277593 843545 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1441277600 786536 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There we go. < 1441277609 168897 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anecdotally, it seems a bit no-biased. < 1441278075 795110 :heddwch!~heddwch@76.8.3.189 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1441278082 561783 :heddwch!~heddwch@76.8.3.189 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441278198 977485 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^8ball Yes. < 1441278199 70674 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1441278202 956457 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^8ball No. < 1441278203 59226 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1441278220 104805 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i detect a unique fixpoint hth < 1441278578 328275 :atslash!~atslash@broadband-46-188-0-82.2com.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441278852 328269 :atslash!~atslash@broadband-46-188-0-82.2com.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1441278907 596262 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1441279646 994438 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^8ball has a Maybe answer? < 1441279647 97021 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1441279681 602626 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can i pipe arguments to `c? and if so how? < 1441279730 662854 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. `c main(args){...} | args... < 1441279745 459653 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's no `c -- there's !c and `cc. < 1441279748 886707 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think so. < 1441279753 70117 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think either supports command line arguments. < 1441279754 416610 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1441279757 599191 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or standard input, for that matter. < 1441279761 671238 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They could easily, though. < 1441279775 625990 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have gcc itself, anyway. < 1441279823 224538 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Candide ,cc lets you do -input=[...] at the end of the line, and the rest of the line will become the stdin. If not specified, stdin reads from `fortune`. < 1441279824 315242 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm i thought `c was used earlier today, as short notation for `cc, but maybe that was !c? < 1441279857 555387 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Discounting spaces, digits, punctuation etc. (because all these letter frequency tables omit them), it looks like the ^8ball yes/no distribution should be 56.832% vs. 43.168% biased against one or another. < 1441279888 134263 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :EgoBot's !c supports standard input if you use the !addinterp mechanism. < 1441279898 982840 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or should, at least. < 1441279899 554238 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm ok tyfh < 1441279945 246959 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a lot of commands and options and fun in this channel < 1441279945 945383 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :stalem: that was probably `! c which is a port from EgoBot to HackEgo < 1441279953 441783 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my brain is going to overload < 1441279959 756236 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oic < 1441280003 42254 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^thanks bots < 1441280003 145027 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, bots. Thots. < 1441280032 535136 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a port of `thanks from HackEgo to fungot. < 1441280032 638034 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: uh, sorry, i'll give you that < 1441280047 404636 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: No, no, it's cool. < 1441280047 507407 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i can fnord on?" fnord fnord" fnord" fnord worried that there were more < 1441280055 754670 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah, soon i'm gonna need to write down a cheat sheet < 1441280056 789717 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: You seem to be fnording on quite well. < 1441280056 995101 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: hey bitwize :) good luck :) yeah, well, hrmm. i don't < 1441280132 92097 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Later < 1441280134 703537 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`thanks hanks < 1441280135 318681 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, hanks. Thanks. < 1441280197 222471 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm so we have two bots, having multiple commands doing the same thing < 1441280203 537840 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^thanks tanks < 1441280203 640826 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, tanks. Thanks. < 1441280204 814777 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1441280221 921854 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun! < 1441280231 303430 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some of them were added as backups when one or the other bot was down/away. < 1441280231 544988 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^thanks tom thanks < 1441280231 647881 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, tom thanks. Thom thanks. < 1441280265 640562 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes, backups are always a good option i reckon < 1441280276 946636 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^prefixes < 1441280277 45851 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEgo `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ?, thutubot +, metasepia ~, idris-bot ( , jconn ) , blsqbot ! < 1441280278 761938 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`prefixes < 1441280279 351369 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEgo `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ?, thutubot +, metasepia ~, idris-bot ( , jconn ) , blsqbot ! < 1441280281 919335 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :!prefixes < 1441280282 135893 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEgo `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ?, thutubot +, metasepia ~, idris-bot ( , jconn ) , blsqbot ! < 1441280292 210076 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd be fun getting them to talk to eachother < 1441280298 85975 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn that's quite a handful < 1441280316 858202 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of those, thutubot, metasepia, blsqbot probably aren't here any more. < 1441280320 737702 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the bots prefix messages with a zero width nonbreaking space < 1441280328 222182 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: Well, some of them. < 1441280342 648086 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :E.g. fungot doesn't, it just has a hardcoded ignore list. < 1441280342 854096 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: be a dear and pass on a multiple-values value in a range of ways to make the wings grow, i heard the name. < 1441280346 855157 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ignore < 1441280346 957361 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :^(EgoBot|HackEgo|toBogE|Sparkbot|optbot|lambdabot|oonbotti|metasepia|ruddy|preflex|evalj|idris-bot|passwordBOT|jconn|applybot|blsqbot|fnordbot)! < 1441280354 307288 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Botloops are a proud tradition of the channels. < 1441280368 507606 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf passwordBOT? < 1441280370 868839 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1441280420 326204 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That ignore list is even more out of date. < 1441280458 152598 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, there's really no reason to clean it up innit? < 1441280469 753392 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I just keep appending to it. < 1441280475 849687 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if nothing else, it can serve as a piece of nostalgia < 1441280485 669068 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ignore < 1441280498 770626 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(imagine list here) < 1441280499 181245 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's an owner-only command, since it also allows modifying it. < 1441280502 700332 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaah the good old times < 1441280504 125726 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's technically not a list, it's a single regex. < 1441280518 143534 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a regex with a list of matches? < 1441280524 105439 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :regex consisting* < 1441280531 253572 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. So I guess it's still a list. < 1441280546 86538 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm but now you got me thinking is it really? < 1441280561 412403 :llue!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1441280566 127392 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hard to say. The ! is part of the regex, and certainly not list-like. < 1441280571 84780 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't it more of a boolean expression? or maybe it doesn't become that until the items are matched against the test string < 1441280600 176936 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think you were right the first time; it's simply just a regex! < 1441281075 350857 :jix!~jix@jixco.de QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1441281174 690722 :jix!~jix@jixco.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1441282804 555635 :Patashu!Patashu@27.253.115.204 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1441283285 341827 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441283948 56041 :rdococ!~rd606six@cpc1-staf7-2-0-cust557.3-1.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Changing host < 1441283948 146845 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly JOIN :#esoteric < 1441284426 979883 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Quit: *bubbles away* < 1441285107 456760 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1441285205 997580 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Quit: meeting < 1441286370 573490 :`^_^v!~nycs@rrcs-24-136-112-98.nyc.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1441288024 61176 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-80-237.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi PART :#esoteric < 1441288051 169456 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1441288062 504412 :rdococ!~rd606six@cpc1-staf7-2-0-cust557.3-1.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441288062 558692 :rdococ!~rd606six@cpc1-staf7-2-0-cust557.3-1.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Changing host < 1441288062 558753 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly JOIN :#esoteric < 1441288486 928398 :rdococ_!~rd606six@cpc1-staf7-2-0-cust557.3-1.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441288487 64805 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1441288489 506507 :rdococ_!~rd606six@cpc1-staf7-2-0-cust557.3-1.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Changing host < 1441288489 560959 :rdococ_!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly JOIN :#esoteric < 1441288496 429160 :rdococ_!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly NICK :rdococ < 1441288782 632038 :grotewold!~grotewold@98.75.244.66.corn.smithvilledigital.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441288817 517985 :grotewold!~grotewold@98.75.244.66.corn.smithvilledigital.net QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1441288914 600934 :grotewold!~grotewold@98.75.244.66.corn.smithvilledigital.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441288950 510079 :grotewold!~grotewold@98.75.244.66.corn.smithvilledigital.net QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1441288984 675460 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441289045 626597 :grotewold!~grotewold@98.75.244.66.corn.smithvilledigital.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441289080 595767 :grotewold!~grotewold@98.75.244.66.corn.smithvilledigital.net QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1441289178 154933 :grotewold!~grotewold@98.75.244.66.corn.smithvilledigital.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441289270 943081 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1441289315 294619 :TieSoul!~quassel@2a02:a448:4a62:0:548d:2bb6:e105:b48e JOIN :#esoteric < 1441289353 888906 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1441290420 788254 :TieSoul!~quassel@2a02:a448:4a62:0:548d:2bb6:e105:b48e QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1441292775 109429 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^8ball Yes. < 1441292775 163743 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1441292778 856695 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^8ball No. < 1441292778 911023 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1441292798 129850 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^8ball vampire < 1441292798 232351 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1441292800 520319 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^8ball < 1441292800 574673 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1441292804 505 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^8ball hth < 1441292804 100480 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1441292853 801050 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that the ^8ball command is completely deterministic. < 1441292887 663477 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed, I know for a fact that the ^8ball command is completely deterministic if and only if the Riemann hypothesis is true. < 1441292892 759080 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hth. < 1441293051 225808 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :deterministic with respect to what inputs? < 1441293705 344703 :x10A94!~x10A94@178.252.73.97 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441293805 959604 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH JOIN :#esoteric < 1441294339 30669 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.190.253.145 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1441294479 681738 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :^8ball Am I Taneb? < 1441294479 774697 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1441294487 706400 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1441294489 725372 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :^8ball Am I Taneb? < 1441294489 783788 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1441294495 736506 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also huh < 1441294940 202486 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :^8ball did Taneb invent the 8ball? < 1441294940 343210 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1441294950 574439 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :There you go < 1441294960 852595 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :^8ball Or did Taneb invent the 8ball? < 1441294960 995865 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1441294983 567277 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just remembered... it uses the parity of the length of the input string. < 1441295020 255707 :MDream!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDude < 1441295065 174078 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, the Riemann hypothesis is true? < 1441295086 447118 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :It depends on how you ask, and how much meaning you attach to fungot's answers... < 1441295086 795250 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: when i go out to dinner with me? 3 messages in 36 seconds is too many.' will always be than o(1) vector access? < 1441295098 758531 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: deep < 1441295098 964867 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: i find both topics fnord expect more topics like befunge than sex/ gender/ tg ones... < 1441295105 211422 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: never mind < 1441295105 314341 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: something like 3 euros. < 1441295115 201477 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441295158 556073 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de TOPIC #esoteric :The fnord never strikes twice in the same phrase | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ | http://esolangs.org/ < 1441295327 501347 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's always a nice surprise when your code doesn't do what you expected, but the results are great anyway http://imgur.com/a/JDEar#3 < 1441295370 311152 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION goes on to turn it into a proper gif < 1441295574 762676 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: what do you think, is it a good idea? < 1441295574 968611 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :stalem: are we trying to do with the repl? why does it take to get scheme48 support :) then i love it < 1441295595 993190 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: glad to hear < 1441295596 95771 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :stalem: ( i.e. flatt)) is cadr < 1441296519 421197 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`olist 1002 < 1441296520 162800 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olist 1002: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly boily nortti < 1441297243 4278 :TieSoul_!~quassel@86.89.119.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441297418 968750 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1441297426 95586 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1441297601 911524 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1441297618 523073 :grotewol_!~grotewold@98.75.244.66.corn.smithvilledigital.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441297695 703190 :grotewold!~grotewold@98.75.244.66.corn.smithvilledigital.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1441297828 550913 :hppavilion[1]_!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1441297884 903421 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1441297913 317236 :grotewol_!~grotewold@98.75.244.66.corn.smithvilledigital.net QUIT :Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1441298254 224641 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: do you enjoy coffee? < 1441298254 572528 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :stalem: nothing should be imposed upon other programmers due to the negative connotations associated with the word made ( though whether or not an rdbms, you're going to release next cfunge very soon. < 1441298271 768127 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: whoa ok nvm i asked < 1441298271 972574 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :stalem: which gets executed from the ram, spamd, mysqld and apache eat the rest argument list? < 1441298871 688770 :APic!apic@apic.name QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1441298914 157285 :hppavilion[1]_!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Google has a new logo < 1441298917 239129 :hppavilion[1]_!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not like it < 1441298919 608543 :hppavilion[1]_!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :-.- < 1441298925 197667 :hppavilion[1]_!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :They should've consulted me first < 1441299034 719465 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i find i'm quite ambivalent towards it. at least it's modern < 1441299116 376510 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus nowadays their doodles are quite entertaining < 1441299130 958625 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like the minimoog one on moog's birthday iirc < 1441299315 181846 :Slereah__!~Slereah@APuteaux-653-1-88-25.w90-61.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT : < 1441299359 974579 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote natural numbers < 1441299361 110544 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :395) god created the natural numbers, the rationals were done by man and the work was finally completed (topologically) by satan himself < 1441299444 572274 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote kronecker < 1441299445 74719 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1441299489 82582 :grotewold!~grotewold@98.75.244.66.corn.smithvilledigital.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441299491 182199 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1441299558 669666 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :("God made the integers, all else is the work of man." - Leopold Kronecker) < 1441299581 389850 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But of course he didn't say it in English. Are translated quotes still quotes?) < 1441299620 921845 :hppavilion[1]_!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1441299688 408329 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote never < 1441299689 105496 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :6) what, you mean that wasn't your real name? Gosh, I guess it is. I never realized that. \ 57) ehird: every set can be well-ordered. corollary: every set s has the same diagram used from famous program talisman with fnord windows to cascade, someone i would never capitalize " i" \ 123) Never ever use a quot < 1441299725 626521 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote never ever < 1441299726 305666 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :123) Never ever use a quote which contains both the words "aloofness" and "gel" (verb). \ 560) never ever do bacon floats or i will hunt you down and kill you augh my leg < 1441299945 866993 :TieSoul_!~quassel@86.89.119.147 NICK :TieSoul < 1441301222 802208 :quietello!~bcd@209.86.165.83.dynamic.mundo-r.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1441302030 695149 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1441302112 551979 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1441302360 572599 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^8ball Am I Taneb? < 1441302360 666773 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1441302364 682005 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^8ball Am I tswett? < 1441302364 736884 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1441302379 316641 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :^8 Are you Taneb? < 1441302426 880141 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote translated < 1441302427 500472 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1174) pippi långstrump's name is translated as "gilgi" or "bilbi" usually Does she have a ring of power? < 1441302441 632596 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote onion < 1441302442 182102 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1441302458 812961 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :power she has. if it's from a ring she hides it well. < 1441302510 332759 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :^8ball Are you Taneb? < 1441302510 426696 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1441302525 929726 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The fact that there are no quotes about onions is flamingly unacceptable. < 1441302579 525326 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: new olist hth < 1441302832 468616 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tdnh i've got logs < 1441302878 80682 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: does it bring tears to your eyes? < 1441302987 548984 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :lumberjan < 1441302996 107578 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: EgoBot! < 1441302996 212078 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: sounds odd. i can't use < 1441303013 859129 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait it has to be first in the privmsg < 1441303055 407120 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :^8ball sines point to < 1441303055 508791 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1441303084 875460 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^8ball signs point to < 1441303084 929698 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1441303100 577378 :grotewold!~grotewold@98.75.244.66.corn.smithvilledigital.net QUIT :Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1441303115 611354 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess the oracular geometry is the same, regardless of spelling < 1441303162 551080 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first one is oracular trigonometry < 1441303252 815580 :grotewold!~grotewold@98.75.244.66.corn.smithvilledigital.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441303288 612173 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : I just remembered... it uses the parity of the length of the input string. <-- i don't think it's length... < 1441303295 240633 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^8ball yes < 1441303295 294995 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1441303299 985861 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^8ball yet < 1441303300 129063 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1441303552 544490 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah looks like the priests won't be helping. < 1441303559 12793 :Thisbe!~Thisbe@2602:306:394b:e110:64eb:3ab1:34ca:b2c1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441303691 811977 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh, http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0874.html is the other honorable soul thing i was looking for hth < 1441303996 405781 :APic!apic@apic.name JOIN :#esoteric < 1441304285 497073 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-cpmgcokbrxzsyjuf JOIN :#esoteric < 1441304987 875834 :atrapado!~atrapado@unaffiliated/atrapado JOIN :#esoteric < 1441305179 48510 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :idea: esoteric chat protocol. character encoding should be ita2 (with NUL) padding. thought about having even stuff like backspaces sent real-time, but then discovered ITA2 has no backspace/DEL char < 1441305214 970878 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? nortti < 1441305215 768570 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti boy. very nortti boy. < 1441305216 658045 :hppavilion[1]_!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1441305235 899925 :puckipedia!puck@irc.puckipedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION remembers something like that < 1441305237 527096 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1441305241 808970 :puckipedia!puck@irc.puckipedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(as in, the idea from nortti) < 1441305271 270065 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :also thought about limiting communication to half-duplex so it could be implemented over some rather fun systems, and having either all clients in a network, or just servers, be connected in a ring topology < 1441305294 255714 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, if one drops, all communication dies < 1441305311 154157 :hppavilion[1]_!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hellu < 1441305317 723996 :hppavilion[1]_!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org NICK :hppavilion[1] < 1441305344 530228 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you cannot add clients? < 1441305368 555689 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can, but you must have two other clients agree to add you between them, and a network downtime < 1441305390 589645 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like it < 1441305462 144395 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sending realtime together with token ring would basically make using it impossible < 1441305469 655496 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you deal.with that? < 1441305481 966812 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^8ball x < 1441305482 68925 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1441305483 854751 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^8ball xx < 1441305483 909106 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1441305492 507362 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: spoiler it's parity < 1441305501 403865 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of the sum of the characters or something? < 1441305504 299712 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1441305532 719753 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: maybe have it have something like "block channel until message has been sent" or like? < 1441305537 332890 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :^8ball Does this work by finding the parity of the character sum? < 1441305537 436307 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1441305548 825279 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :^8ball Does this work by finding the parity of the sum of characters? < 1441305549 67185 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1441305558 695973 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, let's get these out of the way. < 1441305566 234579 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^8ball Does he love me? < 1441305566 355323 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1441305569 523737 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^8ball Does she love me? < 1441305569 578185 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1441305572 864267 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: maybe a ring without a token may be possible < 1441305575 777409 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^8ball Do they love me? < 1441305575 879494 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1441305580 260270 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^8ball Does it love me? < 1441305580 314590 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1441305592 264703 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^8ball Does ey love me? < 1441305592 367333 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1441305593 434410 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :^8ball Is the answer to this question "No"? < 1441305593 646455 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1441305603 889010 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^8ball Do I love me? < 1441305603 943352 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1441305607 602411 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^8ball Do we love me? < 1441305607 705456 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1441305612 728641 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^8ball Do you love me? < 1441305612 782980 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1441305656 807226 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now for the SGNPPs. < 1441305685 359104 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^8ball Does e love me? < 1441305685 413363 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1441305689 751463 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^8ball Does hu love me? < 1441305689 854098 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1441305696 521529 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^8ball Does peh love me? < 1441305696 624076 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1441305699 411531 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^8ball Does per love me? < 1441305699 515103 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1441305704 227922 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^8ball Does thon love me? < 1441305704 330086 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1441305712 901817 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^8ball Does jee love me? < 1441305713 48317 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1441305713 102756 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's basically only a matter of time until somebody writes a script to reformulate sentences to get the desired answer < 1441305719 260207 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^8ball Does ve love me? < 1441305719 363159 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1441305721 620307 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^8ball Does xe love me? < 1441305721 722844 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1441305726 279815 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^8ball Does ze love me? < 1441305726 382361 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1441305728 623298 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^8ball Does zhe love me? < 1441305728 726405 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1441305730 619164 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop it < 1441305730 966385 :grotewold!~grotewold@98.75.244.66.corn.smithvilledigital.net QUIT :Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1441305733 776845 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done. < 1441305752 482882 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :you forgot ree < 1441305752 554786 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man, there are a lot of SGNPPs. < 1441305792 485262 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so basically every "even" letter is neutral < 1441305821 93629 :grotewold!~grotewold@98.75.244.66.corn.smithvilledigital.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441305831 293440 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but "s" is not even, so "he" is better than "she" < 1441305861 631668 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. also, 0 seems to be no < 1441305871 256362 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hence the missing difference between x and xx < 1441305905 566074 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so "she" should be no < 1441305913 161029 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^8ball she < 1441305913 215335 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1441305918 420999 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :great < 1441305993 108374 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^8ball ? < 1441305993 216069 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1441306005 432986 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :relevant < 1441306035 997845 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :^8ball she? < 1441306036 52137 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1441306069 14805 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1441306102 992031 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so no script necessary. if you don't get the answer you want, add another ? < 1441306113 429893 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1441306131 387978 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^8ball Are you sure? < 1441306131 489542 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1441306149 367754 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Sigh* < 1441306150 775052 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, you ask that with two question marks and you are fine < 1441306151 294373 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No one is on < 1441306170 12199 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^8ball Why? < 1441306170 66360 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1441306182 745251 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^8ball < 1441306182 892225 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1441306189 972371 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1441306190 898027 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^8ball < 1441306190 952360 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1441306205 626287 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, space is 32 < 1441306256 203766 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^8ball ​ < 1441306256 258188 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1441306273 96577 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ​ < 1441306273 770505 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+200B ZERO WIDTH SPACE] < 1441306317 318742 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth < 1441306320 463569 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1441306324 381893 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's pretty hard to type, though < 1441306339 904856 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like the question mark better < 1441306725 485666 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1441306875 547181 :`^_^v!~nycs@rrcs-24-136-112-98.nyc.biz.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1441306934 825545 :`^_^v!~nycs@rrcs-24-136-112-98.nyc.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1441307499 893129 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1441307890 583023 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1441308177 41610 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.onemanband.thesequence looks like it qualifies as a bullying automaton < 1441308331 614477 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07J--14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44020&oldid=43931 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+281) 10wikify < 1441308783 560805 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :remind me what distinguishes a bully automaton from a ca < 1441308808 941357 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Hack VM14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44021&oldid=43524 5* 03Oerjan 5* (-2784) 10Undo revision 43524 by [[Special:Contributions/Phase|Phase]] ([[User talk:Phase|talk]]) (Copyvio: I can find no evidence the web page is public domain) < 1441308856 237115 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 revision10 02 5* 03Oerjan 5* 10Oerjan changed visibility of revisions on page [[02Hack VM10]]: Copyright violation < 1441308948 277935 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: iirc a bully automaton can have long-distance effects in one step < 1441308969 979830 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :and by 'long' you mean 'unbounded', right? < 1441308998 153683 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Oerjan 5* 10deleted "[[02Jolf10]]": Author request: content before blanking was: "A planned [[pyth]] variant in pure javascript for code golfing. --[[User:JayCampbell|JayCampbell]] ([[User talk:JayCampbell|talk]]) [[Category:Languages]] [[Category:2015]] [[Category:Unimplemented]]" < 1441309013 300749 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well obviously < 1441309130 326532 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07ℒight14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44022&oldid=43528 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+6) 10add some required darkness < 1441309341 590158 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1441309409 269790 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07List of ideas14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44023&oldid=44009 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+0) 10/* Partially Silly Ideas */ grm < 1441309568 958678 :TieSoul_!~quassel@86.89.119.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441309627 11345 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1441309819 741612 :TieSoul_!~quassel@86.89.119.147 NICK :TieSoul < 1441309838 597171 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Oerjan 5* 10deleted "[[02K10]]": Copyright violation: Most of the content from the KONA Github. Also, not technically esoteric. < 1441309908 803644 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :am i going to have to double check Phase's edits... < 1441310193 205330 :grotewold!~grotewold@98.75.244.66.corn.smithvilledigital.net QUIT :Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1441310435 886174 :grotewold!~grotewold@98.75.244.66.corn.smithvilledigital.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441310531 578153 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User talk:Phase14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44024&oldid=43328 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+479) 10/* Copyright */ new section < 1441310553 491176 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1441310663 283376 :mauris_!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl NICK :mauris < 1441310695 958930 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1441311192 705932 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-cpmgcokbrxzsyjuf QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1441311357 915656 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Tangle bracket language14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44025&oldid=43566 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+10) 10case, rephrase < 1441311364 467202 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-64-77.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1441311432 49377 :Thisbe!~Thisbe@2602:306:394b:e110:64eb:3ab1:34ca:b2c1 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1441312110 813661 :x10A94!~x10A94@178.252.73.97 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1441312125 390213 :heddwch!~heddwch@76.8.3.189 NICK :chikhin < 1441312132 941632 :chikhin!~heddwch@76.8.3.189 NICK :heddwch < 1441312636 904661 :ProofTechnique!~Ptech@65-183-137-193-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441312641 342367 :atslash!~atslash@broadband-46-188-0-82.2com.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441312878 407093 :grotewold!~grotewold@98.75.244.66.corn.smithvilledigital.net QUIT :Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1441312905 328396 :atslash!~atslash@broadband-46-188-0-82.2com.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1441312961 990891 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1441313263 382211 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1441313605 393409 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1441313652 459435 :APic!apic@apic.name QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1441313917 422101 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1441314117 952487 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Question on notation. Who or what introduced the notation in mathematical formulas where simultanously the bitwise and operator is written as & and the bitwise xor operator is written as ⊕ ? < 1441314160 122389 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know < 1441314172 42974 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is used in, I believe, Knuth volume 4, and Warren: Hacker's delight, < 1441314300 491108 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I like the idea, because it puts together the strengths of two notation: the one from C where they're written as & and ^ resp, and the old one where they're written as ∧ and ⊕, or ∧ and ∧overline resp. < 1441314309 923507 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the unicode for ∧overline? < 1441314318 871406 :ProofTechnique!~Ptech@65-183-137-193-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net QUIT :Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1441314346 66364 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm wait, maybe it's not ∧overline, but something similar < 1441314365 714639 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me look it up < 1441314399 571170 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1441314520 650874 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, whatever, so ∧ and ⊕ < 1441314541 689740 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :?messages-loud < 1441314541 744080 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf asked 1d 14h 30m 32s ago: Have any improvements been made to Potion of Confusing since I last played it? < 1441314564 582431 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I am not sure actually < 1441314643 640797 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1441315003 726601 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :My new Dungeons&Dragons character has both blindsense and darkvision. The rules about blindsense says that it cannot be used to read stuff, does not subject you to gaze attacks, does not remove concealment miss chance, and that you do not generally have to make a Spot or Listen check to notice something that you cannot see, but some things are not explained including interaction with spells and with objects/creatures behind you and so on. < 1441315364 803625 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: does he also have normal vision? < 1441315378 951814 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1441315382 322487 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And also low-light vision < 1441315386 656895 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boring < 1441315395 421415 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :behind you? < 1441315405 7735 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :does D&D even have such a thing < 1441315483 745063 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The way we play it can matter. < 1441315518 478656 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :One D&D game I'm in the DM forgot that most of the party could see in the dark < 1441315536 605429 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just to be sure, low-light vision just means good eyes with large lens so it's more sensitive to low light, darkvision is some sort of active light-based sensing that lets you see in what would be pitch black but in a way similar to vision (possibly somewhat lower frequencies), and blindsense is what many eyeless creatures have so they can tell where to attack even if you're not adjacent, right? < 1441315551 986186 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :All character have normal vision too by default. It seems unusual to have both blindsense and darkvision, as everything else I have checked in the book does not have both, but the rules seems to say that my character does have both < 1441315580 672807 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I don't know actually < 1441315585 993387 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: are there many monsters that have both blindsense and normal vision in first place? < 1441315596 597434 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I don't know that either. < 1441315622 599556 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought blindsense was mostly for eyeless monsters, though they _could_ coexist if you really want to. < 1441315677 650716 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know that darkvision does not let you to see colors and does not work in magical darkness, but it does subject you to gaze attacks, and I expect allows reading too. You can still see colors in daylight though < 1441315700 316071 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I think that's because darkvision works in the infrared frequency range < 1441315704 962505 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the colors are very different < 1441315717 571838 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441315719 59683 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I thought of that too < 1441315738 318087 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1441315750 635686 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1441315807 441995 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1441315822 929174 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: That almost had happened once I think, although it was a game where I was the only player (no other players are available) and none of the NPCs in my party could see in dark < 1441315831 344070 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1441315864 904604 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe darkvision just lets you detect the thermal emissions in some of the near infrared range < 1441315872 603174 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno < 1441315891 247513 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Darkvision seem clearly enough in this game. < 1441315956 598084 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The limitations of blindsense aren't quite clear enough though, although it says some things, such as you cannot read and miss chance for concealment still applies. < 1441316032 752844 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I would assume, blindsense can still be used while blindfolded but darkvision does not work while blindfolded < 1441316137 643821 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1441316145 535052 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yes, I think darkvision is in your eyes, blindsense is on most of whole skin < 1441316162 521262 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or most of the body surface, whatever it's made of < 1441316176 544509 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or... I dunno for incorporal monsters < 1441316239 523245 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, the DM was had a great idea for this horrifying session < 1441316243 981258 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it was a great idea < 1441316250 784197 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It says blindsense allows noticing things that you cannot see, and can be based on such thing as hearing and smell and so on < 1441316254 737413 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: What idea is that? < 1441316256 789405 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know? < 1441316259 668687 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1441316287 867770 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very dark mansion, with something attacking us and running away before we could work out what it was < 1441316310 458981 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But because the barbarian and paladin could both see in the dark, it was like "Oh, it's a minotaur" < 1441316325 286591 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is still frightening, when you're level 2 < 1441316330 138953 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But not actually horrifying < 1441316335 8571 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :In quite the same way < 1441316420 99166 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Turns out the minotaur was someone wearing a cursed helmet < 1441316436 918678 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which I almost wound up with < 1441316531 665028 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I did wind up with it < 1441316534 435438 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I almost put it on < 1441316541 64922 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And had to struggle to get rid of it < 1441316586 165450 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1441316613 147245 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1441316623 333831 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1441316629 414490 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-64-77.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1441316637 65951 :`^_^v!~nycs@rrcs-24-136-112-98.nyc.biz.rr.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1441316686 848139 :ProofTechnique!~Ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441316729 819338 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: ah right... I think the rule in nethack is that minotaurs can wear helmets of soft materials (eg. leather or cloth), but not of hard materials (metal or wood), because of their horns < 1441316760 883220 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :still, a minotaur with a helmet sounds strange to me < 1441316771 92592 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wouldn't that make it difficult for him to use his horn? < 1441316773 823632 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, cursed < 1441316781 907490 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :he doesn't _want_ to wear it, probably < 1441316814 669521 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas, it was a polymorph curse < 1441316830 69763 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch! < 1441316853 432635 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, D&D has some pretty nasty cursed equipment, even ones that are worse than that, but still < 1441316868 465329 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it at least polymorph you to something that can wear a helmet? < 1441316880 329488 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, into a minotaur < 1441316882 289504 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd be fine being a minotaur < 1441316897 511009 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, specifically a minotaru < 1441316902 443659 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :with its horns covered < 1441316904 861669 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting < 1441317140 537487 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's got some mental cursey things too < 1441317156 468021 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc the horns were part of the helmet < 1441317157 569123 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :A minotaur is a large size though, sometimes it mean you cannot fit somewhere else < 1441317180 81299 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: exactly, and you can't fit in your body armor < 1441317182 987623 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric : So it can sometimes cause problems. < 1441317192 787950 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :which can _really_ hurt some characters who rely on it < 1441317199 589206 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :for others, it won't matter < 1441317242 474666 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are many kind of curses and I have had some of my own kind of idea too < 1441317264 311570 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: can you tell some? < 1441317317 31876 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :One I have seen in a book though is that a hit by a blessed crossbow bolt instantly kills whoever wears this item (this does not prevent the item from being removed normally though). < 1441317350 602313 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441317352 449124 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But one of my idea can be, like in many computer game, a cursed item being worn cannot be removed; it must be uncursed or destroyed in order to remove it, but otherwise it is normal item. < 1441317400 434162 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: how do you identify such a curse? < 1441317406 121114 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, that crossbow bolt one < 1441317408 156814 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I thought of a further variant of that; in addition, the curse also improves the item's durability while it is being worn, making it more difficult to destroy (although the improved durability can be an advantage too, it can also be disadvantageous) < 1441317462 954240 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: The one with crossbow I expect only if you can figure it out with a spell or something like that, or if you create the item with the curse so that in case anyone steals it you can kill them with a blessed crossbow bolt. < 1441317543 420734 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: if you created such a thing, wouldn't you make it so you can kill them with a use-once password instead? or would that cost more to create? < 1441317608 65633 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know; possibly. < 1441317669 917629 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But even if they can identify it, then they might not know that you have a crossbow, and maybe you also have a spell or something else to protect you from a crossbow < 1441317680 954563 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: one of the curses that I like is one that reverses the magic of the item from an advantage to a drawback, eg. a ring of protection that would normally give you +2 AC is cursed so it gives you -2 AC, but if it's rare enough kind of magic, it can be cheaper to uncurse that ring than to acquire a new similar uncurse ring. < 1441317759 133814 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone who has ready access to uncurse spells could even trap their own magic items, so that if they're removed from their inventory, they're cursed. then if someone steals them or takes them in a battle, they're cursed, but their magic isn't lost, he can uncurse them if he gets them back. < 1441317891 380971 :grotewold!~grotewold@c-68-50-42-113.hsd1.in.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441317918 687760 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are also many curses listed in Arms and Equipment guide which includes the one with the crossbow mentioned above; another, for items that must be activated, is sometimes it uses up two charges instead of just one; sometimes both charges functions but sometimes only one charge function and one is wasted < 1441318011 903176 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another idea is a flaw that you can select, if you select this one then magic item don't work so well for you, such as only one wearable magic item at a time and activated magic items have a 5% chance to fail each time it is activated, and -2 to Use Magic Device. < 1441318115 282690 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: there's also vain items, ones that don't let you use other items of the same class while they're in your inventory (or at least gives a high penalty when you're using them), eg. a cursed sword that doesn't let you use other melee weapons, so if you meet the one kind of monster against which the sword doesn't work well, you have a problem < 1441318146 528366 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is easiest for weapons, because many characters want to have two weapons with them. < 1441318195 509905 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it does not also have a curse to prevent you from removing it, then you could try to throw it out, but then you won't have it anymore < 1441318223 143235 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: sure, but you might meet multiple monsters at once < 1441318230 901391 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you throw it out, something could happen with it < 1441318231 736411 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes that is possible < 1441318314 958353 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Munchkin has a sword that I think is somewhat overpowered, which has only one drawback, namely that you can't fight an octopus with it (you must run away if you meet one) < 1441318322 762009 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or squid or something < 1441318327 424775 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :some very rare kind of monster < 1441318382 442308 :atrapado!~atrapado@unaffiliated/atrapado QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1441318421 428975 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :This seems a very weak drawback compared to other equipment with a comparable bonus. Those other equipment typically take up too many slots (eg. they're two-handed or large) or are restricted to a class or race. < 1441318619 106443 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's also something like that backwards, a vorpal sword that insta-kills monsters whose names start with "J". < 1441318673 24545 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another kind of curse, for activated items only, can be when activated you take -2 AC for 1 minute, or something like that. < 1441318695 909142 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :could work, sure < 1441318706 86023 :Froox!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1441318713 745199 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :a worse version is one that paralyzes you for some time after you activate it < 1441318734 973843 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, although either way the effect otherwise still works < 1441318750 464670 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1441319007 359412 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there any utf8 expert here? < 1441319019 241065 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: What is it that you need? < 1441319043 465209 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i have 4 different wc's (one of which i wrote) that report 4 different number of utf8 characters for the same file < 1441319077 992685 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can think of many reasons why that would happen < 1441319088 377147 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: I would just not count bytes in the range 0x80 to 0xBF, that is a simple way < 1441319129 589864 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's chopping away a lot of characters < 1441319138 757079 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1441319180 756305 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some flaws given in this book include: Feeble = -2 to Str/Dex/Con ability checks and skill checks; Frail = -1 HP per level; Inattentive = -4 Listen, -4 Spot; Meager Fortitude = =3 Fortitude; Noncombatant = -2 melee attack roll; Slow = half of your base land speed; Vulnerable = -1 AC. < 1441319214 533276 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would want to make up some of my own too, one which make you cannot use magic items so effectively, is one of my idea. < 1441319218 553782 :grotewold!~grotewold@c-68-50-42-113.hsd1.in.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1441319240 675103 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: some would argue that \x61 \xCC \x81 is one UTF-8 character á < 1441319280 919663 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some would argue that wc would be expected to count code points. < 1441319307 353304 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's all really messy! why are people so interested in "the length of a string" anyway imo < 1441319335 440137 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would expect you should need a different program for counting codepoints as for counting bytes anyways, such as "wcutf8" instead of just "wc" can be used. < 1441319336 9733 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` printf '\x61\xCC\x81' | wc -m < 1441319336 577726 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 < 1441319385 854027 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` unidecode $(printf '\x61\xCC\x81') < 1441319386 565416 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+0061 LATIN SMALL LETTER A] [U+0301 COMBINING ACUTE ACCENT] < 1441319435 267824 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe "wc -m" is also locale-specific though; it seem that with C locale it is 3 < 1441319463 645838 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you could also use "utftovlq 18 | wc -c" to count UTF-8 codepoints. < 1441319467 866347 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: Anyway, zzo38's method succeds in counting code points because all UTF-8 code point encodings are either (a) one byte between 0x00..0x7f, or (b) multiple bytes, of which exactly one (the first one) is 0xc0 or higher. < 1441319489 321012 :grotewold!~grotewold@c-68-50-42-113.hsd1.in.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441319500 649253 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll try < 1441319570 466790 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :do i have to include 0x80 and 0xBF ? < 1441319575 416481 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean do i count them? < 1441319597 408019 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No you do not count them < 1441319608 442303 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok thanks < 1441319615 835635 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :All bytes 0x80 up to 0xBF inclusive are not counted. < 1441319625 657936 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :this method breaks for invalid utf-8 strings, but honestly, what doesn't? < 1441319690 515467 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, although if it is invalid then what you have to do depend much on what you are trying to make anyways, so it doesn't matter here. < 1441319697 200509 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use separate program to verify if you need it < 1441319737 815644 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now soothe your souls with https://vimeo.com/138247957 , my way of friday fun < 1441319760 560853 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :that broke everything < 1441319800 86314 :Froox!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1441319864 15705 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :import sys; print(len(sys.stdin.buffer.read().decode('utf-8'))) # wcutf8.py < 1441319885 832818 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1441319899 748022 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes that is another way, if you are using Python < 1441319901 730630 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :please use something like that instead of a nasty byte-level hack :< < 1441319938 36549 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :(oh yeah, it's python 3, specifically; i don't think it will work on python 2) < 1441319965 247486 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just used "utftovlq 18 | wc -c" to count UTF-8 codepoints, it is a hack too but can use an existing program (although not a common one; it is one I wrote) < 1441319986 96518 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1441320136 550972 :Froox!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1441320246 310098 :grotewold!~grotewold@c-68-50-42-113.hsd1.in.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1441320377 980266 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also how much memory would your Python program use though? < 1441320538 728563 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, .read() does make a big byte string, probably a bad idea for very huge files < 1441320626 922225 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441320630 530190 :APic!apic@apic.name JOIN :#esoteric < 1441320644 770945 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Test < 1441320647 612943 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So < 1441320651 327296 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: You on? < 1441320654 806937 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes it is why, I used the other way instead. < 1441320688 14926 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is why you used what other way instead of what? < 1441320698 352036 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is a program I wrote for a different purpose but now we can use for this purpose too. < 1441320708 467642 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: See the recent logs in case you do not know the context < 1441320883 691304 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I'm finding the logs hard to read < 1441320897 255758 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you just give me a brief description of what you're making? < 1441320909 226948 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got the rest of it from what I did read < 1441320964 317577 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Counting how many UTF-8 character of input. < 1441320999 491433 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used "utftovlq 18 | wc -c" since it is program I already have. < 1441321056 210338 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :( ⌒‿⌒) < 1441321056 310492 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-092-072-163-170.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(input):1:1: error: expected: ":", < 1441321056 413162 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-092-072-163-170.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : dependent type signature, < 1441321056 467580 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-092-072-163-170.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : end of input < 1441321056 467624 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-092-072-163-170.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :⌒‿⌒) < 1441321056 467646 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-092-072-163-170.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ < 1441321218 528851 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1441321804 985426 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :(shachaf: i don't think this scow idiom exists outside of "things shachaf says on irc" :( are they remarkably shitty boats?) < 1441321828 922803 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't invent it. < 1441321842 351100 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's from hebrew twei < 1441321843 319203 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the origin is related to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garbage_scow < 1441321850 861442 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :tdnei < 1441321878 860375 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the scow of X" means something like "the worst specimen of X" < 1441321889 715959 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something can be a scow, or it can just be scow. Or utter scow. < 1441321905 400307 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I shouldn't be saying this in a logged channel. < 1441321921 337391 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't want it in Google search results. < 1441321924 64519 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh well, too late. < 1441321955 529392 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then program the robots.txt of the logs to not be use with Google, if that is how you want < 1441321976 392997 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not the one keeping the logs. < 1441322037 816012 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i found one result on google for "the scow of" that i *think* uses it in that sense, from the 50s < 1441322061 435485 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unlikely. That sense was invented in 2013 as far as I know. < 1441322173 311643 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :where'd you pick it up from? (also is this stuff top secret, twewydwiigsr) < 1441322242 957710 :grotewold!~grotewold@c-68-50-42-113.hsd1.in.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441322387 324152 :|f`-`|f!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1441322456 179504 :|f`-`|f!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441322524 660294 :lemurian!~sh4n3@unaffiliated/lemurian JOIN :#esoteric < 1441322839 939297 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :good eevning < 1441322885 363438 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: I'm home now < 1441322899 459545 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi < 1441322913 120940 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So < 1441322921 753894 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I brought this up a few days a go < 1441322924 3878 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ago < 1441322936 267559 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I don't /think/ I ever got an answer < 1441322950 612320 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If one were to create a language in which one can define a potentially infinite FSM < 1441322956 119380 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could that language be TC? < 1441322966 814628 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just the FSM generated by the language, I mean < 1441322984 447066 :grotewold!~grotewold@c-68-50-42-113.hsd1.in.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1441323015 977406 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you know what the F in FSM stands for < 1441323108 905598 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, that sounds plausibly TC, yeah, every possible tape state for a TM corresponding to a state in the state machine < 1441323127 943464 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mauris: flying hth < 1441323163 459116 :Froox!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Quit: *bubbles away* < 1441323281 933529 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mauris: Oh right xD < 1441323451 87965 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441323978 918274 :ProofTechnique!~Ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1441323986 135679 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mauris: It's "Finite", right? < 1441323995 886620 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Finite Spaghetti Monster" < 1441324230 741296 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So < 1441324239 514457 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :BANCStar is the worst thing ever invented < 1441324331 270397 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Graph rewriting14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=44026 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+112) 10Created Page < 1441324365 368173 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Graph rewriting14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44027&oldid=44026 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+0) 10Fixed a link < 1441324518 915713 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No one on? < 1441324520 696842 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::,( < 1441324609 842871 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1441324633 638600 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just me, but i was just about to head to sleep < 1441324646 753199 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Rewriting denotes a form of computation where a data structure is replaced by a modified form of itself, sometimes repeatedly." < 1441324684 463141 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds vague! i mean isn't that all computations on a tape ever, in a way < 1441324769 954500 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1441324867 672039 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mauris: A Tape is a Graph where every node has one link except the end, which has none < 1441324875 927917 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Assuming you implement the tape as a Linked List < 1441324892 874239 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which you should >:( < 1441324904 425349 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/>:(/>:|/ < 1441324915 363766 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's hard to read < 1441324922 16509 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that a fork bomb or something? < 1441324955 749691 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1441324975 142165 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 QUIT :Quit: night yall < 1441325006 244710 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Rewriting14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44028&oldid=35039 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+4) 10Linked to Graph Rewriting mauris < 1441325016 41535 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1441325017 977605 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That wasn't me < 1441325246 112244 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1441325625 301728 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you mean directed graphs? < 1441325664 78243 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Me? < 1441325671 274708 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1441325675 509679 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just graphs in general < 1441325713 382875 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want to know which direction is the tape then it should be a directed graph < 1441325745 955251 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Ah < 1441325788 801154 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have looked at BANCStar. It is certainly *not* the worst thing ever invented, although there are many bad design stuff in it, it seem like. But many things are not known about it so this wouldn't even be known perfectly; but at least I can try to figure out what some things are expect to be, by looking at the few information available (including the printout of part of one program) < 1441325875 310114 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: It most certainly is < 1441325886 692582 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You do realize people were ACTUALLY REQUIRED TO USE IT, right? < 1441325900 989732 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I do realize. < 1441325906 93440 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh < 1441325986 397975 :yiyus!1242712427@je.je.je QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1441326153 373608 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have studied it, and it most certainly is not. It looks like more easily to program in than most other kind of machine codes, when use for the domain-specific use. But this would require that you program it by yourself rather than in a team, where such thing would seem unsuitable. Also some of the details described before the printouts were released was wrong or partially wrong as far as I can tell. < 1441326177 176893 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still it has many limitations < 1441326185 509643 :yiyus!1242712427@je.je.je JOIN :#esoteric < 1441326410 846006 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Many of the things I have figured out differ from what is in the esolang wiki article of BANCStar; I mentioned my findings in the talk page. < 1441326856 909198 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example, command 3100 is not mentioned in the article, and it doesn't say what "Future Date 360" mean, although I have some ideas of how various things work, based on how they are used in the available programs. < 1441326928 354773 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: I think I gave an answer to your "infinite FSM" question. < 1441326963 569752 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Infinite finite state machine" is a contradiction; it'd just be an "infinite state machine". A Turing machine could be said to be a type of "infinite state machine". < 1441327077 23871 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Command 8000 uses PC colour codes and not ANSI colour codes. If bit7 is set then the text blinks; if bit3 is set then the foreground uses bright colours. < 1441327365 629409 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not-necessarily-finite state machines < 1441327397 941624 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thank you, Jafet < 1441327402 281603 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, right tswett < 1441327404 278151 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you did < 1441327405 908884 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoops < 1441327409 293679 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bad memory sometimes < 1441327468 335764 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm making a Combinatory/Functional 2D Language < 1441327469 645342 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1441327590 606764 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have updated my QUACKVM now all 32 instruction opcodes are defined (the three new ones are: LONGCALC, INTBL, EXTOP), and the Minesweeper game is updated to use LONGCALC for calculating average scores. < 1441327620 530394 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1441327623 453404 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: You win < 1441327704 8001 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I win at what? Minesweeper game? I did win once < 1441327745 240459 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :At stuff development < 1441327750 761445 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm making a language < 1441327753 138541 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're making a VM < 1441327756 887201 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You win at thing making < 1441327771 49591 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1441327805 415123 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, OK < 1441327856 969342 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1441327918 114997 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :ever played non-flagging minesweeper? < 1441327923 997943 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: No < 1441327937 604064 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1441327943 300989 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's regular minesweeper but you must never mark bombs < 1441327961 716459 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :the goal of the game is still unchanged, open all the non bomb squares < 1441327976 19547 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you have to keep track of the bombs in your mind < 1441327995 840531 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, y'know, actually check before clicking < 1441328001 869905 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have not played it but it should be easy enough to modify the Minesweeper game I wrote to do that if you want that < 1441328014 168170 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(You are free to make other modifications too; it is all public domain) < 1441328049 386959 :grotewold!~grotewold@c-68-50-42-113.hsd1.in.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441328067 18814 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it doesn't need any modification < 1441328072 535092 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :just don't mark bombs < 1441328096 573235 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there any critisism of this community? < 1441328102 432171 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it doesn't need any modification, although if you want to prevent it from allowing you to mark bomb then you can do that. < 1441328272 916890 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1441328371 373432 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Where can I find this "QUACKVM"? < 1441328444 704142 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://zzo38computer.org/prog/quackvm.zip < 1441328451 626639 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note the documentation is incomplete, sorry < 1441328457 99195 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's fine < 1441328464 861477 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Better than anything I've ever made xD < 1441328553 152675 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :To use the assembler, put the input filename on command-line and redirect stdout to the file used for output. To use the runtime, put the ROM filename followed optionally by the disk filename. The current version may require xterm < 1441328671 939782 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1441328737 466331 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, to compile the C source-codes you can use "bash" on them. < 1441328741 353304 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1441328796 292289 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugh < 1441328803 57331 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My computer is so slow < 1441328807 401494 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to download more RAM < 1441328808 257698 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1441328931 492505 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What should I call my function-oriented 2D language? < 1441328980 912853 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know < 1441328990 618291 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(A lot of things I don't know!!) < 1441329463 674107 :grotewold!~grotewold@c-68-50-42-113.hsd1.in.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1441329567 370302 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: now, when you say "functional", do you mean that functions act as ordinary values? < 1441329629 784562 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Yes < 1441329639 985616 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The way python has "functional programming" < 1441329644 675188 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :First-class functions < 1441329651 629625 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll tell you what you should name it. < 1441329652 949022 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :One moment. < 1441329698 212187 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :All right. You should name it: < 1441329699 539926 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fued < 1441329699 745575 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cntn < 1441329699 799767 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tnoe < 1441329699 799844 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :iori < 1441329726 349021 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or "fued / cntn / tnoe / iori" in contexts where line breaks aren't possible. < 1441329748 79769 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does that mean? < 1441329749 678362 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1441329770 863574 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the phrase "function oriented" arranged in a certain way in two dimensions. < 1441329789 326790 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1441329795 272262 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett you can't solve all of life's problems with hilbert curves < 1441329809 182591 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1441329816 296084 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A Hilbert Curve < 1441329957 935217 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like that name because it's hard to remember xD < 1441329975 12555 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FCTI for short < 1441330417 945423 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah, you gotta abbreviate it using the diagonal. FNOI. < 1441330517 284804 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving... < 1441330611 898469 :grotewold!~grotewold@c-68-50-42-113.hsd1.in.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441330653 650218 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh right < 1441330668 687970 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should call it Fnord so no one else can name theirs fnord xD < 1441330764 602510 :grotewold!~grotewold@c-68-50-42-113.hsd1.in.comcast.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1441331134 447184 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441331488 366474 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1441331690 941813 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441331729 367483 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should have assignment that goes something like "the is behind " < 1441331770 35961 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :fwiw this is the random crap generator http://arin.ga/iZe8Kf/raw < 1441331772 777501 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's pretty fast < 1441331842 990734 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1441331844 465930 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :it produces 4gb in less than 19s on my system < 1441331847 363813 :grotewold!~grotewold@c-68-50-42-113.hsd1.in.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441332112 616310 :grotewold!~grotewold@c-68-50-42-113.hsd1.in.comcast.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1441332181 621963 :grotewold!~grotewold@c-68-50-42-113.hsd1.in.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441332311 61784 :grotewold!~grotewold@c-68-50-42-113.hsd1.in.comcast.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1441332365 901789 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Bad at Magic Devices" flaw: You get -4 to Use Magic Device checks and -2 to all other skill checks related to magic items. Any magic item you are in contact with, except scrolls, have a 5% chance each round to not function (only roll to check if you are trying to activate it or it provides a bonus that is relevant to the situation). Cannot be selected unless you have at least 1 rank of Use Magic Device. < 1441332385 225636 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1441332485 558436 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1441332516 996729 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if it is sufficiently severe or if it is too much severe or too complicated or too simple. < 1441333011 543129 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another idea for magic items is that some special abilities of shields and weapons and so on can be suppressed on a commands; a minor curse can be to disallow suppressing them in this way. < 1441333314 985555 :grotewold!~grotewold@c-68-50-42-113.hsd1.in.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441333532 538268 :grotewold!~grotewold@c-68-50-42-113.hsd1.in.comcast.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1441333761 740748 :grotewold!~grotewold@c-68-50-42-113.hsd1.in.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441334054 156352 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such effects can include: arrow catching (shield), etherealness (armor), defending (weapon; fixes the AC bonus to max), flaming (weapon), frost (weapon), ghost touch (weapon; always considered incorporeal touch), merciful (weapon), x-ray (ring), cube of frost resistance (wondrous). < 1441335004 993325 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: (I know you are not on) You can't prevent others from naming theirs the same thing; we already have to esolangs called "Clue" in esolang wiki < 1441336156 419583 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441336232 613756 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very Strongly Typed Language: Variables can't change value < 1441336239 314868 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But it's still imperative) < 1441336432 309405 :grotewold!~grotewold@c-68-50-42-113.hsd1.in.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1441336852 596487 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1441337111 306051 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1441337201 908317 :grotewold!~grotewold@c-68-50-42-113.hsd1.in.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441337326 525233 :fowl!fowl@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-aqvskljkebunwppi QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1441337377 217317 :fowl!fowl@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-gfodzwrtphtvesuh JOIN :#esoteric < 1441337539 277718 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's funny that Turing himself was a Turing Machine (sans unbounded memory, of course) < 1441337769 367127 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :We need a 2D OO Lang! STAT! < 1441337955 507935 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, try to make one up if you know how < 1441337971 213743 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a language called Fourier, but it's not actually about approximating functions via Fourier series. < 1441338164 809825 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that would be a nice abstraction in that it would allow one to define a function imprecisely. < 1441338224 708911 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And allow such a foolish thing as lossy compression of code. < 1441338251 735311 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK then make up that one! I like that kind of idea too < 1441338611 958276 :mauris!~Lynn@c-69-254-26-224.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441338650 53514 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1441338741 521753 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure I'll want functions to be able to have at least two inputs, so I hope the principle behind Fouriers series applies to cymatic patterns. < 1441340570 90859 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1441340573 378448 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tell me, Visual Studio, how is "UInteger" simpler than "Uint32"? < 1441340695 124505 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :usize != u32 < 1441340817 676266 :grotewold!~grotewold@c-68-50-42-113.hsd1.in.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1441341810 576359 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1441341851 526982 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@li611-52.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1441341908 154392 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@li611-52.members.linode.com QUIT :Changing host < 1441341908 208482 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1441343598 640543 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-11-1.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1441343641 645276 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-11-1.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1441343641 738845 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1441343652 450866 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1441343843 91059 :Froox!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1441343845 766862 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1441343901 387487 :mauris_!~Lynn@c-69-254-26-224.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441344074 905358 :mauris!~Lynn@c-69-254-26-224.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1441344661 410322 :ProofTechnique!~Ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441344997 72503 :ProofTechnique!~Ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com < 1441345562 363236 :grotewold!~grotewold@c-68-50-42-113.hsd1.in.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441345566 651324 :grotewold!~grotewold@c-68-50-42-113.hsd1.in.comcast.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1441346613 956872 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441346682 931635 :singingboyo!~brandonso@deas.ugrad.cs.ubc.ca QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1441347949 925237 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1441348027 928818 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441349755 961558 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1441349967 752710 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/sep/02/london-clinic-accidentally-reveals-hiv-status-of-780-patients "We recalled/deleted the email as soon as we realised what had happened." What does that even mean. < 1441350029 239725 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1441350043 98356 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sending another email asking for the recipients to delete the previous one? < 1441350100 692561 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Haven't you ever seen an email being recalled/deleted from your inbox? < 1441350105 365054 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clearly it works very well. < 1441350234 476333 :mauris_!~Lynn@c-69-254-26-224.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :classy https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/812f0b604f0d99457ec3cfcb96aa7163c564de01/0_7_840_504/master/840.jpg?w=1920&q=85&auto=format&sharp=10&s=228963e4a63e190b936e19b3fc0a413c < 1441350283 508083 :mauris_!~Lynn@c-69-254-26-224.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we would like to recall our email with 780 recipients' contact info in it by sending another email with 780 recipients' contact info in it < 1441350456 349888 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It also asks everyone to notify them by replying; wonder how many reply-alled, adding more messages like that. < 1441350866 76826 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1441350887 717733 :heddwch!~heddwch@76.8.3.189 QUIT :Excess Flood < 1441350895 577976 :heddwch!~heddwch@76.8.3.189 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441350961 514157 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1441351508 524123 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1441351738 604695 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1441351796 668304 :heddwch!~heddwch@76.8.3.189 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1441351868 877990 :mauris_!~Lynn@c-69-254-26-224.hsd1.fl.comcast.net NICK :mauris < 1441351882 15620 :mauris!~Lynn@c-69-254-26-224.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Changing host < 1441351882 70112 :mauris!~Lynn@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric < 1441351919 456883 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly JOIN :#esoteric < 1441351941 557731 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1441351948 589522 :heddwch!~heddwch@76.8.3.189 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441352256 372900 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1441352260 555035 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1441352268 740446 :heddwch!~heddwch@76.8.3.189 QUIT :Excess Flood < 1441352276 467426 :heddwch!~heddwch@76.8.3.189 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441352411 473543 :heddwch!~heddwch@76.8.3.189 QUIT :Excess Flood < 1441352418 440207 :heddwch!~heddwch@76.8.3.189 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441352505 566752 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly JOIN :#esoteric < 1441352605 226157 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1441353169 360413 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1441353295 535292 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1441353423 423347 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1441353627 410786 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly JOIN :#esoteric < 1441353629 320459 :heddwch!~heddwch@76.8.3.189 QUIT :Excess Flood < 1441353641 656073 :heddwch!~heddwch@76.8.3.189 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441353702 386413 :heddwch!~heddwch@76.8.3.189 QUIT :Excess Flood < 1441353744 454919 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1441353845 973357 :heddwch!~heddwch@76.8.3.189 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441354058 775324 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1441354091 942435 :Froox!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Quit: *bubbles away* < 1441354110 364053 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1441354212 424323 :heddwch!~heddwch@76.8.3.189 QUIT :Excess Flood < 1441354243 941932 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1441354483 350481 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1441354546 658681 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly JOIN :#esoteric < 1441354750 596978 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1441354870 538976 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1441355112 502665 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly JOIN :#esoteric < 1441355708 354521 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1441355928 454373 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1441356167 98328 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1441357992 91664 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1441358367 194828 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly JOIN :#esoteric < 1441359201 88496 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1441359566 157335 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had a weird dream, Phantom_Hoover was there < 1441359575 164132 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even though I have no idea what Phantom_Hoover looks like < 1441359577 115522 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just knew < 1441359578 561099 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was him < 1441359649 530550 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And we were at a generic campus university < 1441359663 268219 :Walpurgisnacht!~ah@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441359674 106258 :Walpurgisnacht!~ah@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net NICK :Twilit < 1441359681 546096 :Twilit!~ah@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net NICK :Zant < 1441359685 852446 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :More grassy and hilly than York's west campus and more cluttered and busy than the east campus < 1441359701 371982 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Simon Lane of Yogscast fame was there < 1441359709 565317 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :As was the robot bunny from Homestuck < 1441359734 85493 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was a zombie apocalypse going on or something < 1441359744 269587 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Was there a floating "Phantom_Hoover" label above them? It might have been a virtual reality scenario rather than a dream. < 1441359767 575790 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, no, I just knew he was Phantom_Hoover < 1441359777 831148 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps that's how it goes in the real world too, then. < 1441359782 929884 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I then had another dream where I explained this first dream < 1441359792 731258 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1441359795 236482 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And some other things happened < 1441359798 129539 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then a third dream < 1441359804 471743 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which I have completely forgotten < 1441359804 942706 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly JOIN :#esoteric < 1441359928 655399 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was at the Trinity College Dublin campus a while ago, just being a tourist. They have more pillars than Aalto University. < 1441359948 785798 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And a much fancier-looking library, too. < 1441359954 685147 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also more tourists.) < 1441359971 225849 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :York doesn't have much in the way of pillars < 1441359975 761569 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it has a few < 1441359989 520853 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://irish-net.de/files/trinity_college_bibliothek_1.jpg <- it's like this except full of tourists < 1441359993 780296 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But a lot of those were built in the past few years in a modern style < 1441359997 608492 :heddwch!~heddwch@76.8.3.189 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441359998 921235 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, I might have a realistic photo of it. < 1441360085 657205 :Zant!~ah@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net NICK :Walpurgisnacht < 1441360092 807777 :Walpurgisnacht!~ah@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mmm so many nicks taken < 1441360100 425587 :Walpurgisnacht!~ah@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looking for one for me bot ;-; < 1441360142 449481 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B4J9OAzXNfZAUGlFYWtZcGxjTWs/view?usp=sharing <- that's what it looks like if you're a pleb. < 1441360155 385952 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And can't get to the balcony or order everyone else out.) < 1441360271 936383 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1441360351 651755 :heddwch!~heddwch@76.8.3.189 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1441360373 144971 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly JOIN :#esoteric < 1441360377 603630 :heddwch!~heddwch@76.8.3.189 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441360404 426368 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, that is a nice photo < 1441360559 787422 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1441360702 825204 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a nice place. Although I think the business of having a decreasing shelf height as you go upwards, and meticulously finding just the right-sized books to stuff every shelf, was a bit overdone. < 1441360726 152810 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1441360734 159557 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1441360790 704995 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B4J9OAzXNfZARG92UzdRaURHcFk/view?usp=sharing <- as seen here, although there was another bookshelf that was more extreme about it. < 1441360839 376786 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly JOIN :#esoteric < 1441361026 145309 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1441361084 596476 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly QUIT :Excess Flood < 1441361094 6511 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly JOIN :#esoteric < 1441361454 291960 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1441361492 393987 :heddwch!~heddwch@76.8.3.189 QUIT :Excess Flood < 1441361529 585947 :heddwch!~heddwch@76.8.3.189 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441361531 430611 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Excess Flood < 1441361599 655476 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1441361636 905213 :Walpurgisnacht!~ah@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net QUIT :Excess Flood < 1441361658 619204 :Walpurgisnacht!~ah@74.61.60.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441361682 937411 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1441361690 954460 :heddwch!~heddwch@76.8.3.189 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1441361697 428155 :heddwch!~heddwch@76.8.3.189 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441361719 434566 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly JOIN :#esoteric < 1441361893 795142 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Excess Flood < 1441361901 629957 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1441361923 368066 :heddwch!~heddwch@76.8.3.189 QUIT :Excess Flood < 1441361930 613444 :heddwch!~heddwch@76.8.3.189 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441362393 963628 :Walpurgisnacht!~ah@74.61.60.199 PART #esoteric :"Kill me" < 1441362409 353741 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1441362526 499042 :heddwch!~heddwch@76.8.3.189 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1441362827 728607 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly JOIN :#esoteric < 1441363074 330776 :atslash!~atslash@broadband-46-188-0-82.2com.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441363333 287575 :atslash!~atslash@broadband-46-188-0-82.2com.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1441363344 976161 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1441363435 543400 :heddwch!~heddwch@76.8.3.189 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441363470 633595 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1441363670 340558 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly JOIN :#esoteric < 1441363773 517602 :heddwch!~heddwch@76.8.3.189 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1441363832 815891 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1441363907 158495 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly JOIN :#esoteric < 1441363914 742220 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1441364257 582901 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1441364469 461159 :heddwch!~heddwch@76.8.3.189 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441364560 905517 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1441364646 121962 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1441364865 514155 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1441365107 587585 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly JOIN :#esoteric < 1441365704 432906 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1441365709 758985 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1441365745 440607 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1441365803 532280 :heddwch!~heddwch@76.8.3.189 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1441365850 418242 :heddwch!~heddwch@76.8.3.189 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441365863 436779 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1441365908 624278 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly JOIN :#esoteric < 1441367050 606801 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1441367108 617292 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1441367108 671598 :heddwch!~heddwch@76.8.3.189 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1441367225 42947 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1441367280 788785 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly JOIN :#esoteric < 1441367841 594782 :heddwch!~heddwch@76.8.3.189 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441368058 821547 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1441368324 303439 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Loader14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44029&oldid=43994 5* 0372.74.32.143 5* (+209) 10/* Language Details */ < 1441368348 361598 :heddwch!~heddwch@76.8.3.189 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1441368399 28412 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1441368494 796888 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly JOIN :#esoteric < 1441368858 519325 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1441369127 701608 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1441369233 564157 :heddwch!~heddwch@76.8.3.189 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441369234 363967 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly JOIN :#esoteric < 1441369595 664549 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441369793 282807 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1441369816 585353 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly JOIN :#esoteric < 1441370018 722833 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1441370052 540422 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1441370124 452929 :heddwch!~heddwch@76.8.3.189 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1441370320 824006 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly JOIN :#esoteric < 1441370418 395247 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1441370729 342304 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1441370793 645205 :heddwch!~heddwch@76.8.3.189 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441370893 941485 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441370934 930958 :heddwch!~heddwch@76.8.3.189 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1441371104 447622 :heddwch!~heddwch@76.8.3.189 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441371108 859399 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1441371544 946894 :heddwch!~heddwch@76.8.3.189 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1441371689 900181 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1441372133 93881 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1441372409 591707 :heddwch!~heddwch@76.8.3.189 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441372562 90224 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1441372628 929291 :fowl!fowl@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-gfodzwrtphtvesuh PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode 🐫🐪 < 1441372634 309118 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+1F42B BACTRIAN CAMEL \ UTF-8: f0 9f 90 ab UTF-16BE: d83ddc2b Decimal: 🐫 \ 🐫 \ Category: So (Symbol, Other) \ Bidi: ON (Other Neutrals) \ \ U+1F42A DROMEDARY CAMEL \ UTF-8: f0 9f 90 aa UTF-16BE: d83ddc2a Decimal: 🐪 \ 🐪 \ Category: So (Symbol, Other) \ Bidi: ON (Other Neutrals) < 1441372802 542511 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode 🐪 < 1441372803 501694 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+1F42A DROMEDARY CAMEL \ UTF-8: f0 9f 90 aa UTF-16BE: d83ddc2a Decimal: 🐪 \ 🐪 \ Category: So (Symbol, Other) \ Bidi: ON (Other Neutrals) < 1441372824 866457 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait it was just 2 < 1441372990 525138 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1441373207 643220 :x10A94!~x10A94@178.252.73.97 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441373241 371799 :`^_^v!~nycs@rrcs-24-136-112-98.nyc.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1441373289 4771 :yerika!~canaima@190.198.25.198 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441373332 759074 :yerika!~canaima@190.198.25.198 PART :#esoteric < 1441373796 649466 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Loader14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44030&oldid=44029 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (+11) 10/* Comments */ < 1441373928 570488 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1441373974 397307 :heddwch!~heddwch@76.8.3.189 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1441374187 279364 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1441374301 640878 :heddwch!~heddwch@76.8.3.189 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441374332 95966 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1441374563 766286 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1441374639 91600 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1441374906 400804 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll see your camels and raise you 🎑 < 1441374912 477449 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode 🎑 < 1441374913 442704 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+1F391 MOON VIEWING CEREMONY \ UTF-8: f0 9f 8e 91 UTF-16BE: d83cdf91 Decimal: 🎑 \ 🎑 \ Category: So (Symbol, Other) \ Bidi: ON (Other Neutrals) < 1441375570 552684 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1441375806 659081 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly JOIN :#esoteric < 1441375870 418135 :APic!apic@apic.name QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1441375924 657215 :heddwch!~heddwch@76.8.3.189 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1441376055 849413 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07ShortScript14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44031&oldid=44011 5* 03Dennis 5* (+1) 10 < 1441376170 529882 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1441376174 867809 :mauris!~Lynn@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, i wonder: what's the lowest positive integer n for which the brainfuck program that moves to cell n to the tape and halts is shorter than n bytes? < 1441376208 543301 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1441376315 585510 :mauris!~Lynn@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :(possibly modifying the tape, of course) < 1441376532 313197 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1441376538 351012 :mauris!~Lynn@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :>-[>[>]+[<]>-]>[>] halts pointing at tape[257] (assuming it's left-bounded, 8-bit) < 1441376605 359691 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly JOIN :#esoteric < 1441376884 12467 :grotewold!~grotewold@98.75.244.66.corn.smithvilledigital.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441376925 437649 :heddwch!~heddwch@76.8.3.189 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441376968 602946 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure you could get lower than 257 just by replacing the initial - with some suitably small multiplication that's barely enough to get past the length of the program. < 1441376984 539987 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, is the first > needed in the "[>[>]" fragment? seems like "[[>]" would be equivalent. < 1441377046 338125 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1441377080 168342 :APic!~apic@apic.name JOIN :#esoteric < 1441377127 356203 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1441377152 890845 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Brainfuck constants page might help in that. Your [>[>]+[<]>-]>[>] footer adds about 16 bytes, so you want a lowest constant for value N, length L such that (approximately) N = L+16. < 1441377246 787360 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Later < 1441377276 904210 :mauris!~Lynn@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, you're right, i don't need that > < 1441377289 190530 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Modulo some fiddling about where the constant value gets left and whether it leaves any cruft on the tape.) < 1441377375 304693 :APic!~apic@apic.name QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1441377398 691762 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :>-[-[-<]>>+<]>[[>]+[<]>-]>[>] seems to halt on cell 38, and looks shorter than that. < 1441377421 375023 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Used, pretty randomly, the >-[-[-<]>>+<]> constant for 33.) < 1441377440 588900 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the record, I'm not claiming this construction will answer your question, but it's one way to drag the upper bound down. < 1441377488 657536 :mauris!~Lynn@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, i was thinking of multiplications, and that looks like a pretty good one < 1441377517 756981 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :>+[--[<]>>+<-]>[[>]+[<]>-]>[>] halts on cell 33 and is 30 bytes long. < 1441377534 209789 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that cell 33 is 0-indexed, so let's say 34 instead. < 1441377673 660999 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why isn't [>] an endless loop there? < 1441377691 334488 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :fnird. < 1441377725 427881 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1441377727 258161 :mauris!~Lynn@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: it seeks the first zero cell, going right < 1441377739 327631 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1441377752 521984 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, i reversed it in my head < 1441377755 467462 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid < 1441377829 953219 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly JOIN :#esoteric < 1441377899 840083 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: the part about the 34 sounds wrong. the empty program is zero bytes long and moves to 1 and i won? < 1441378077 462436 :mauris!~Lynn@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: >----[[>]+[<]>---------]>[>] is 28 bytes and halts on 30 < 1441378099 460707 :mauris!~Lynn@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: i'm counting from zero. so >>> moves to position 3 < 1441378193 679584 :grotewold!~grotewold@98.75.244.66.corn.smithvilledigital.net QUIT :Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1441378331 481333 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1441378390 521323 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1441378418 551765 :heddwch!~heddwch@76.8.3.189 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1441378473 391370 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly JOIN :#esoteric < 1441378519 957748 :mauris!~Lynn@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i found a really elegant one :) < 1441378564 78767 :mauris!~Lynn@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :+[[->>++<<]>>] is 14 bytes and moves to position 16 < 1441378591 423693 :grotewold!~grotewold@98.75.244.66.corn.smithvilledigital.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441378592 375224 :mauris!~Lynn@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :by doubling a cell and moving it 8 times, until it hits 256(=0). < 1441378610 374741 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1441378630 394778 :grotewold!~grotewold@98.75.244.66.corn.smithvilledigital.net QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1441378706 388882 :grotewold!~grotewold@98.75.244.66.corn.smithvilledigital.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441378751 381355 :grotewold!~grotewold@98.75.244.66.corn.smithvilledigital.net QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1441378783 380406 :mauris!~Lynn@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is cool, because i *think* you can just brute-force check all brainfuck programs that are 13 bytes or shorter and satisfy some "obvious" constraints a solution would need < 1441378848 423685 :grotewold!~grotewold@98.75.244.66.corn.smithvilledigital.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441378899 473769 :grotewold!~grotewold@98.75.244.66.corn.smithvilledigital.net QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1441378929 335962 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1441378929 685684 :mauris!~Lynn@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :> sum [6^n + (n+1)*(n+2)`div`2 | n <- [1..11]] `div` 2 -- a generous upper bound on the amount of those? < 1441378932 339798 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 217678414 < 1441378932 448162 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1441379000 94951 :grotewold!~grotewold@98.75.244.66.corn.smithvilledigital.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441379052 550760 :heddwch!~heddwch@76.8.3.189 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441379179 305519 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1441379207 20729 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly JOIN :#esoteric < 1441379758 535956 :heddwch!~heddwch@76.8.3.189 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1441379910 909828 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1441379911 799346 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Monkeys14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=44032 5* 03Martin Büttner 5* (+537) 10Created page with "After some testing, the reference implementation seems to contradict the spec in several ways: 1) the initial setup appears to be transposed and 2) Monkeys are incremented eve..." < 1441380229 694757 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly JOIN :#esoteric < 1441380300 112832 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1441380300 326633 :Froox!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1441380747 216049 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fun fact. < 1441380768 566698 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In homotopy type theory, there's a type S such that there are infinitely many functions S -> S, but only two of them are invertible. < 1441380814 718072 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Countably infinitely many functions S -> S, in fact. < 1441380842 291424 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1441380844 790199 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should continue working on Gulf. < 1441381020 275180 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why what? < 1441381028 89930 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-30-120.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1441381061 86649 :Froox!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Quit: *bubbles away* < 1441381110 819790 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly QUIT :Quit: ZNC - 1.6.0 - http://znc.in < 1441381110 961112 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Quit: Alas. < 1441381188 510593 :heddwch!~heddwch@76.8.3.189 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441381208 475409 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly JOIN :#esoteric < 1441381268 847453 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1441381312 389527 :grotewold!~grotewold@98.75.244.66.corn.smithvilledigital.net QUIT :Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1441381434 644207 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Knowledge 5* 10New user account < 1441381533 934186 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1441381732 639463 :x1365C!~x10A94@178.252.73.97 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441381823 806789 :grotewold!~grotewold@98.75.244.66.corn.smithvilledigital.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441381861 703636 :grotewold!~grotewold@98.75.244.66.corn.smithvilledigital.net QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1441381898 479414 :x10A94!~x10A94@178.252.73.97 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1441381918 205789 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is there such a type :P < 1441381963 784339 :grotewold!~grotewold@98.75.244.66.corn.smithvilledigital.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441382008 728575 :grotewold!~grotewold@98.75.244.66.corn.smithvilledigital.net QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1441382103 764990 :grotewold!~grotewold@98.75.244.66.corn.smithvilledigital.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441382150 702687 :grotewold!~grotewold@98.75.244.66.corn.smithvilledigital.net QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1441382227 372523 :fowl!fowl@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-gfodzwrtphtvesuh QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1441382250 95793 :grotewold!~grotewold@98.75.244.66.corn.smithvilledigital.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441382438 367833 :x1365C!~x10A94@178.252.73.97 NICK :x10A94 < 1441382796 834862 :grotewold!~grotewold@98.75.244.66.corn.smithvilledigital.net QUIT :Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1441383596 837104 :fowl!fowl@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-howchxuskjmcbpdt JOIN :#esoteric < 1441384015 677634 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the space is generated by one point and one automorphism of that point. < 1441384087 79813 :grotewold!~grotewold@98.75.244.66.corn.smithvilledigital.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441384146 499975 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So a function S -> S must map the point in S to a point in S (there's only one option), and the generating automorphism to an automorphism of that point (there are countably many options--they're the integers). < 1441384314 200954 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ℤ < 1441384314 989550 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+2124 DOUBLE-STRUCK CAPITAL Z] < 1441384347 562975 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why isn't there only one automorphism of a one-point space < 1441384457 971163 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-26-198.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1441384499 666877 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-26-198.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1441384499 721166 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1441384508 558336 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1441384568 349732 :APic!apic@apic.name JOIN :#esoteric < 1441384653 208786 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps it's not worth me asking this since i know nothing about homotopy type theory... < 1441384935 378618 :atrapado!~atrapado@unaffiliated/atrapado JOIN :#esoteric < 1441385357 90137 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1441385671 646590 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Labyrinth14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44033&oldid=43956 5* 03Timwi 5* (+3) 10/* Overview */ < 1441385713 916327 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1441385802 783086 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441385937 116352 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hellu < 1441386028 735503 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hullo < 1441386066 957496 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1441386113 743289 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1441386268 385863 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Labyrinth14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44034&oldid=44033 5* 03Timwi 5* (+0) 10/* I/O */ < 1441386270 7233 :grotewold!~grotewold@98.75.244.66.corn.smithvilledigital.net QUIT :Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1441386301 595775 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441386337 10604 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1441386603 769171 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are SKI combinators evaluated from the left or from the right? < 1441386858 100705 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're written with application being left-associative. < 1441386861 159676 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :abc means (ab)c. < 1441387093 81768 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-64-77.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1441387133 873546 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1441388532 403535 :mauris!~Lynn@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1441388730 453862 :Lorenzo64!~lorenzo@adsl-ull-96-35.42-151.net24.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1441388828 872877 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1441388831 563764 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07ShortScript14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44035&oldid=44031 5* 03YourDeathIsComing 5* (+14826) 10 < 1441388900 587216 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett, is that like saying there are countably many naturals (including zero) but only one you can negate? < 1441389157 826155 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1441389465 886596 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's very much like saying there are countably many integers but only two that have reciprocals. < 1441389711 717099 :staffehn!~quassel@2001:41d0:52:d00::1d3 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1441389771 667391 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1441390321 73100 :grotewold!~grotewold@98.75.244.66.corn.smithvilledigital.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441390355 972727 :grotewold!~grotewold@98.75.244.66.corn.smithvilledigital.net QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1441390461 24124 :grotewold!~grotewold@98.75.244.66.corn.smithvilledigital.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441391293 654001 :Lorenzo64!~lorenzo@adsl-ull-96-35.42-151.net24.it QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1441391392 116832 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1441391393 92841 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, lunch < 1441391401 995410 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello people < 1441391805 914876 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You had people for lunch!? < 1441391845 704833 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1441391847 882404 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I did < 1441391857 948521 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :They came over and we had a nice lunch < 1441391859 199335 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :-_- < 1441391859 834859 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1441391864 926462 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's currently my lunch hour < 1441391984 864574 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I'm thinking about my Amazing Final Computer Language. < 1441391998 241868 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cool < 1441392002 429157 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haven't heard of it < 1441392003 893031 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1441392058 721632 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Currently, it has two features. < 1441392083 292255 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which are? < 1441392089 82140 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can declare "varieties", and you can declare expressions in varieties. < 1441392094 801409 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interesting < 1441392111 910740 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: is it final in the sense that it's a high level language that won't turn out to have been a low level language afterall in twenty years when new higher level languages appear? < 1441392121 962744 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I'm calling a variety is a variation on this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Variety_%28universal_algebra%29 < 1441392135 919733 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: well, it's final in the sense that it will effectively have every possible feature. < 1441392182 149739 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to design a language based entirely on constructing abstract machines < 1441392203 698836 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1441392206 713645 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, many but not all kinds of algebraic structure are varieties in my sense. < 1441392221 967024 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Groups are a variety, rings are a variety, categories are a variety. < 1441392239 628597 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cartesian closed categories are a variety. Finitely complete categories are a variety. Finitely cocomplete categories are a variety. < 1441392251 770697 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cartesian closed finitely complete finitely cocomplete categories are a variety. < 1441392256 294325 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I call it "Builder"? < 1441392263 670948 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No... < 1441392266 812483 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably not < 1441392271 12522 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a good working name for now < 1441392290 821961 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Toposes are *not* a variety. < 1441392311 930984 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Mornington Crescent14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44036&oldid=35308 5* 03Timwi 5* (-3388) 10/* Hello, World! */ shorter version < 1441392340 341739 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could also define a version of the SKI calculus as a variety. < 1441392366 442623 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the SKI calculus < 1441392379 598592 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer Lambda Calculus though < 1441392387 384661 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even though I barely understand either xD < 1441392400 134541 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well < 1441392410 120790 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't exactly "prefer" one over the other < 1441392441 483833 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The definition would essentially be the following: < 1441392489 701204 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"There are things called terms. S is a term. K is a term. I is a term. If x and y are terms, xy is a term. If x is a term, Ix = x. If x and y are terms, Kxy = x. If x, y and z are terms, Sxyz = xz(yz)." < 1441392534 728915 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: "I am a term" hth < 1441392539 566586 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :os < 1441392546 159773 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is os < 1441392551 119475 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? os < 1441392551 793342 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Os is the accusative plural of us. Also a municipality in Norway. < 1441392590 549612 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, that's an example of a variety where equality is uncomputable. < 1441393054 927337 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, you can use varieties to define data types. For example: < 1441393071 184714 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"There are things called booleans. True is a boolean. False is a boolean." < 1441393108 228629 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-64-77.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1441393122 849095 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Presumably you should be able to build data types on top of other data types, but I haven't figured out how that would work yet. < 1441393505 565238 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This variety could represent a sum type: < 1441393539 54735 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"There are things called left-values. There are things called right-values. There are things called sum-values. If x is a left-value, Left(x) is a sum-value. If y is a right-value, Right(y) is a sum-value." < 1441393717 495615 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :As for *how* it could represent a sum type... < 1441393801 364835 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure if I should go with discrete Fourier transform or discrete cosine transform for the language. < 1441393855 765684 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can fuse varieties together by taking two varieties and saying that one sort (or more!) from each variety must be the same underlying sort. < 1441393873 333980 :grotewold!~grotewold@98.75.244.66.corn.smithvilledigital.net QUIT :Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1441393894 723441 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So if you have a variety meaning "a group" and a variety meaning "a monoid", you could stick them together and get a variety meaning "a group, a monoid, a third sort, and functions from the group and the monoid to the third sort". < 1441393899 52996 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :SInce discrete cosine transform is what jpeg uses. < 1441393903 367073 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which totally sounds summy. < 1441393937 175506 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, Wikipedia says... < 1441393938 411796 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"DCTs are equivalent to DFTs of roughly twice the length, operating on real data with even symmetry (since the Fourier transform of a real and even function is real and even), where in some variants the input and/or output data are shifted by half a sample." < 1441393940 99789 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could also make something where instead of describing waves at all, each function is a bitmap. < 1441393960 96102 :grotewold!~grotewold@98.75.244.66.corn.smithvilledigital.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441393968 535481 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you just send it an x and y coordinate, with the return being the luminosity at that point. < 1441394009 659235 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441394084 955278 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I think that goes against the idea of making it easy to have programs that tend towards using smooth functions. < 1441394110 349447 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nb: I have no idea what you're doing. < 1441394196 162830 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's going on? < 1441394332 311109 :mihow!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441394452 556392 :impomatic_!~digital_w@81.174.207.110 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441394706 146208 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1441394883 224755 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Keep it real, go with DCTs. < 1441394949 928077 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH JOIN :#esoteric < 1441395029 476623 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1441395045 215833 :impomatic_!~digital_w@81.174.207.110 QUIT :Quit: http://corewar.co.uk < 1441395453 672118 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1441395461 302575 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So each function would be described a seris f waves, or wave pairs for two-input functions. < 1441395492 769066 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441395538 934901 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a new thing to add to my shit-to-do list < 1441395562 114737 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :An esoteric story about a superhero called Walrus Man written in dynamic hypertext < 1441395570 808623 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interactive, no less < 1441395571 450275 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Each wave set set just being the offset, frequency, and amplitude of each cosine wave. < 1441395922 608465 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :idea: program stack. a subroutine call is implemented by copying its code into the program stack < 1441395961 144780 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll call it Codesign, so people will mispronounce it as "Co Design" instead of "Co(de)sine". < 1441395977 894976 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, like, you have A() { B(); C(); }, and the main prog is like A(); D(); → B(); C(); D(); < 1441396009 700188 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh wait, it'd be spelled Codesine. < 1441396028 713303 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/main prog/code stack/ < 1441396479 982132 :x10A94!~x10A94@178.252.73.97 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1441396513 862233 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Instead of linear progression, a many-dimensional graph < 1441396522 655686 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Instead of the traditional Dramatic Structure < 1441396535 677055 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Its structure will extend into the complex plane < 1441396841 367794 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1441396877 573593 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441397190 434674 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1441397193 364472 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441397204 190301 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1441397205 814419 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 > 1441397551 866557 JOIN :#esoteric > 1441397555 925207 JOIN :#esoteric > 1441397556 431819 JOIN :#esoteric > 1441397609 693382 JOIN :#esoteric > 1441397613 745318 JOIN :#esoteric > 1441397614 251969 JOIN :#esoteric > 1441397645 696601 JOIN :#esoteric > 1441397649 748425 JOIN :#esoteric > 1441397650 254455 JOIN :#esoteric > 1441397681 692315 JOIN :#esoteric > 1441397685 745015 JOIN :#esoteric > 1441397686 251478 JOIN :#esoteric > 1441397741 884527 JOIN :#esoteric > 1441397745 937360 JOIN :#esoteric > 1441397746 443655 JOIN :#esoteric > 1441397789 694544 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441397790 368291 :glogbot!dlopen@libdl.so JOIN :#esoteric > 1441397793 748695 JOIN :#esoteric > 1441397794 255160 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441398671 889871 :`^_^v!~nycs@rrcs-24-136-112-98.nyc.biz.rr.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1441398727 913126 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1441399172 562678 :grotewol_!~grotewold@98.75.244.66.corn.smithvilledigital.net QUIT :Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1441399323 441221 :grotewold!~grotewold@98.75.244.66.corn.smithvilledigital.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441399345 269812 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Codesine14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=44037 5* 03MDude 5* (+716) 10Created page with "Made because Fourier has nothing to do with Fourier transforms, but uses discrete cosign transfomrs to "keep things real". The primary idea of codesign is to have functions ..." < 1441399361 378475 :grotewold!~grotewold@98.75.244.66.corn.smithvilledigital.net QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1441399364 176164 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should mart it as a stub. < 1441399463 878240 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Codesine14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44038&oldid=44037 5* 03MDude 5* (+13) 10 < 1441399469 311893 :grotewold!~grotewold@98.75.244.66.corn.smithvilledigital.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441399507 288192 :grotewold!~grotewold@98.75.244.66.corn.smithvilledigital.net QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1441399586 82732 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:MDude14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44039&oldid=23980 5* 03MDude 5* (+72) 10 < 1441399611 422444 :grotewold!~grotewold@98.75.244.66.corn.smithvilledigital.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441399648 368816 :grotewold!~grotewold@98.75.244.66.corn.smithvilledigital.net QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1441399706 404876 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Codesine14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44040&oldid=44038 5* 03MDude 5* (+23) 10 < 1441399752 96011 :grotewold!~grotewold@98.75.244.66.corn.smithvilledigital.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441399777 948479 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1441399809 908841 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Codesine14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44041&oldid=44040 5* 03MDude 5* (+11) 10 < 1441400097 109368 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1441400190 667818 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1441400334 159112 :grotewold!~grotewold@98.75.244.66.corn.smithvilledigital.net QUIT :Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1441400342 92874 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Codesine14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44042&oldid=44041 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (+0) 10 < 1441400700 390391 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1441400866 141634 :clog!~nef@bespin.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1441400886 567776 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-217.rentec.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1441400915 328267 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1441400952 354334 :spiette!~spiette@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1441401012 4907 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441401123 348510 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-217.rentec.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1441401213 226303 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441401357 299747 :mihow!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1441401500 112738 :mihow!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441401547 12714 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Codesine14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44043&oldid=44042 5* 03MDude 5* (+258) 10 < 1441401628 196671 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm thinking I should maybe just ditch the previous function definition syntax in favor of this. < 1441401721 782210 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah I do that. Plus I need to include how variables work? < 1441401779 142743 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now that I think about if, mayube I should have a way to let variables represent something other than coordinates, like passing in the amplitude or frequency values as variables. < 1441401791 58470 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have revived The Underlambda Project (now in titlecase!) < 1441401812 475751 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so far I have most of three specs, and a brainfuck compiler I have no way of running, nor any way of running the output < 1441401839 668470 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1441401842 392964 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell mauris 1, and oops < 1441401842 557276 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1441401849 952921 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi oerjan < 1441401862 193391 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523 < 1441401874 129682 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to have got really back into esolanging recently < 1441401876 171593 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :first WUUI < 1441401881 343760 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and now I'm working on Underlambda again < 1441401883 306548 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1441401899 690470 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :unlike me < 1441401918 948013 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think anyone else is working on Underlambda yet < 1441401930 201676 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm more than a month late at browsing Recent Changes < 1441401949 151287 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1441401951 114501 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that person with the nick that's "esowiki" and a bunch of hex is testing boundaries, that's about it though < 1441401963 201872 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in terms of things that need admin attention < 1441401984 861408 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i found a bit of copyvio by Phase in my slow catchup < 1441402011 927946 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, well caught < 1441402019 299282 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, I haven't been as vigilant for copyvios as I should have been < 1441402929 664947 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell mauris this is cool, because i *think* you can just brute-force check all brainfuck programs that are 13 bytes or shorter and satisfy some "obvious" constraints a solution would need <-- itym 14 < 1441402929 829602 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1441403042 374723 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: context? < 1441403050 833582 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if you tell me what day I can look for it in the logs) < 1441403078 946058 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :smallest number such that there exists a shorter brainfuck program that moves to that cell number, then halts < 1441403107 195115 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right, sort-of like a busy beaver < 1441403116 58807 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : +[[->>++<<]>>] is 14 bytes and moves to position 16 < 1441403120 758931 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that requires the use of a wrapping impl, though < 1441403153 877663 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the brainfuck-to-underlambda-in-underlambda-parser-framework compiler I just wrote (untested because both the implementation and target language are unimplemented) < 1441403164 577809 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uses cells that go down as far as -1 (and saturate there), and up to infinity < 1441403186 209736 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY < 1441403214 111915 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh, yesterday's logs contain invalid UTF-8 in some lines and UTF-8 in others < 1441403226 979680 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :meaning my browser refuses to show them in anything but Latin-1 < 1441403238 379509 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(err, anything useful, I could set it to like latin-5 or something) < 1441403264 152136 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm Timwi is back < 1441403276 920524 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what? won't the browser still show it in utf8 if you ask nicely, with the non-utf8 characters shown as replacement characters? < 1441403294 51837 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: no, it tries to download the page instead for some reason < 1441403307 569266 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably because it detects it as "not a text file" due to being misencoded < 1441403371 370382 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh ok < 1441403382 118674 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not very good for irc logs < 1441403436 670481 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, isn't being misencoded the /only/ reliable indicator that something isn't a text file? < 1441403467 780743 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly there is no reliable indicator hth < 1441403490 697987 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is shell code after all < 1441403490 954892 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, zemhil is working again? < 1441403504 823433 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I'd claim the ASCII version of that is a text-binary polyglot < 1441403565 232722 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!zjoust apparently +[>+] < 1441403565 803102 :zemhill!bfjoust@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan.apparently: points -43.31, score 0.49, rank 47/47 < 1441403573 692318 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty fast < 1441403597 455342 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess running off the hill does that < 1441403610 65708 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!zjoust apparently [] < 1441403611 4582 :zemhill!bfjoust@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan.apparently: points -31.05, score 3.57, rank 47/47 (--) < 1441403618 305568 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!zjoust growth < < 1441403618 643373 :zemhill!bfjoust@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523.growth: points -46.00, score 0.00, rank 47/47 (-42) < 1441403630 206373 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!zjoust growth2 http://sprunge.us/LTKQ < 1441403631 587617 :zemhill!bfjoust@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523.growth2: points 20.69, score 52.84, rank 1/47 < 1441403638 938954 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, it's top of /both/ hills < 1441403646 278783 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now if I could only remember how it worked :-P < 1441403680 4795 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: the reign of nyuroki is over! < 1441403707 61002 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh good, I documented it already < 1441403711 581920 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION reads own docs < 1441403730 905423 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: zemhill is too fast, it'll make HackEgo jealous < 1441403739 924595 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly also EgoBot < 1441403747 603509 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust apparently [] < 1441403755 385156 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for oerjan_apparently: 6.1 < 1441403765 234310 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: is that a pessimized version of nop.bfjoust? < 1441403780 552543 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i guess < 1441403805 689683 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least it automatically does at least as well as any other program that doesn't contain + or - < 1441403828 830211 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust slightly_better_nop (>)*9(+)*128 < 1441403831 421747 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_slightly_better_nop: 0.8 < 1441403844 228912 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, I know why that scores less than nop does < 1441403850 6238 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust slightly_better_nop (>)*9[(+)*128] < 1441403852 519187 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_slightly_better_nop: 6.5 < 1441403854 675573 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's better < 1441403883 283641 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :growth2 has four losses < 1441403886 984921 :atrapado!~atrapado@unaffiliated/atrapado QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1441403905 85829 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :omnipotence, both cupnoodles (which are identical), and stealth2 < 1441403932 355803 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: could you delete mroman_'s copy of cupnoodle from the !zjoust hill? you currently have two effectively identical programs up there < 1441403997 624981 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who was it who like Evillious, oren or nortti, I keep forgetting? I think https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOyp3qNqiTE&lc=z13wszjjroipfpvky23kyvrqtwetij2om04 dragonkeeper's reply to Yui the yandere makes a lot of sense (as a criticism of The Evillious Chronicles) < 1441404012 906846 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, if you want to see something unlike any other BF Joust strategies, see http://zem.fi/bfjoust/breakdown/#ais523.margins < 1441404019 548290 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been slowly working on an improvement to margins but it's hard < 1441404030 91554 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: it was me < 1441404037 501691 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually the score against space_hotel is my favourite < 1441404040 763257 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of the best programs of all time < 1441404044 126869 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it gets just marginally beaten < 1441404080 132212 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: do you mean to link to a youtube comment there? I can't display them < 1441404094 658909 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, yes. I'll paste it into a pastie < 1441404127 223365 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should fix up those hill visualizations and make them run on the same system zemhill does, and automatically -- if not quite after every change, then at least every now and then if there have been changes. < 1441404133 521935 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastie.org/private/eewazf5wi5lmh4faca < 1441404171 660468 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, did you see the new songs I linked a while ago which I mistakenly pinged oren for? < 1441404174 291731 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that would involve omg-optomizing them from the scipy/numpy/matplotlib to something a bit less memory-intensive. < 1441404182 10367 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: yea, I agree < 1441404186 584539 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: I did not < 1441404193 320533 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :when did you last run them manually? I'd be a little interested in how the hill looks atm < 1441404206 535648 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite long ago. I'll kick them off now, but it'll take a while. < 1441404217 972104 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, perhaps we should make submissions go to both hills? I can't see much of a reason why you'd want to submit to one hill and not the otehr < 1441404255 882100 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, thutubot used to turn up when I was online and someone requested it < 1441404256 900027 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that may be hard given there's a web submission form < 1441404259 25006 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody's requested it in a while < 1441404262 823520 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh right, good point < 1441404277 660459 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does the web submission form do authentication? < 1441404295 494104 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't, everyone submitting there is under the nickname "web". < 1441404319 516618 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, that makes sense < 1441404343 661392 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Having a letter in "web" that's not legal might have made slightly more sense, in retrospect, to keep the namespaces distinct. < 1441404351 404823 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not legal for IRC nicks, I mean. < 1441404386 989142 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Web is registered, but not used since 2013 < 1441404409 323920 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, because people on IRC can delete web programs < 1441404419 837106 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: btw your front page contradicts itself about whether web submissions are eligible for the scoreboard < 1441404455 831012 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, the "won't get your name" was referring to the "web." prefix. < 1441404461 561 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIaAnbMaCG8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YL_YZsbE3Ro https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGrdGXDcoGU < 1441404464 652876 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you can still get your name by putting it in the program name. < 1441404468 39703 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not terribly clear. < 1441404487 922221 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: ah, nice < 1441404501 679759 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :from the new album < 1441404564 330670 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think those are the three new songs < 1441404574 4245 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If there are other news songs, I didn't notice < 1441404581 106186 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gah, my mouse situation is really annoying. The old one I have keeps dropping things in the middle of drag-and-dropping, and doubleclicking when single-clicking; the new one from Amazon (same model) that arrived to day instead scrolls by itself maybe one page up or down every third time you release the mouse wheel after using it. (It's one of those freewheel Logitech mice, and there's ... < 1441404587 113655 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... something wrong with the balancing, causing it to rotate to some particular orientation when at rest.) < 1441404594 767511 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember there being 3 new ones, too < 1441404658 344502 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There were also other new songs a while ago I also think I linked oren, like Drug of Gold < 1441404678 623046 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For all I know you both like Evillious so I should be pinging both of you < 1441404765 590919 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is ais523.growth2 not appearing when I git pull. < 1441404777 989601 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's visible in the gitweb. < 1441404789 724949 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I changed the URL. < 1441404790 663126 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: you're pulling from the wrong repo or the wrong branch < 1441404946 799371 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what I'd assume, but it certainly doesn't look that way. < 1441405034 992745 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"git log --oneline" in the (bare) repository the URL in .git/config:[remote "origin"] is supposedly pointing at is 21 commits ahead, "master" is the only branch there (and gitweb also says head of master is your growth2 change), but "git pull origin master" says "already up-to-date". < 1441405061 931439 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the local repository is also on branch master, and doesn't seem to be in any sort of weird detached head thing. < 1441405067 975721 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what commit is HEAD? < 1441405115 793608 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"git log origin/master" (and git rev-parse origin/master) both say c9df5d1. < 1441405156 759683 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like it's just not fetching the remote refs, but that's just weird. < 1441405185 943840 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the file isn't already there, I take it? < 1441405253 497987 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nnno. And according to timestamps, it is updating e.g. the .git/refs/remotes/origin/master file, but it's not the same that's refs/heads/master in the remote repository directory. < 1441405267 448157 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it's actually not pointing at the directory I think it's pointing. < 1441405317 377547 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1441405330 562922 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Missing "git update-server-info" + dumb HTTP server. < 1441405336 584475 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought I had gotten that done right. < 1441405351 356372 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that's more like it. < 1441405412 67900 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"generating tournament-wide plots ... /usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/numpy/ma/core.py:790: RuntimeWarning: invalid value encountered in less_equal" < 1441405435 947846 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't bother to print a stack trace for it. < 1441405451 211492 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, if some of the plots look really weird, I'll know what to blame. < 1441405457 868471 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441405469 964482 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441405514 859122 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, at one point one of my plans for Underlambda, the way it compared them was to take two to the power of each of the integers, then for one of the integers, made a lookup table of subtractions from that integer < 1441405520 99306 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then looked the other integer up in the table < 1441405536 493620 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then I decided that that would probably be far too slow in a non-optimizing implementation < 1441405668 112248 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://zem.fi/egostats/ should now be up to date for growth2. < 1441405770 178098 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm making "A Hypertext Fairy Tail" < 1441405773 475325 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks < 1441405774 193642 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What should it be about? < 1441405788 40121 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anthropomorphic animals, most likely < 1441405790 543417 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :most fairy tails are < 1441405822 139344 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: to be fair I'm mostly interested in margins < 1441405829 126225 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is, as usual, hilarious in statistics < 1441405847 5569 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, I didn't realise omnipotence would like short tapes though < 1441405887 536245 :darkl0ck_!~v1rtuehea@TOROON2634W-LP140-02-2925477401.dsl.bell.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1441405894 429915 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the way that the dendrogram has a cluster for "good" programs, that's pretty much inevitable given how it's created < 1441406006 982620 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I like the way that anticipation2 shows up clearly as a vibration program, because its "average value of opposing flag at end of game" value is so high (almost 90) < 1441406045 113758 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I keep thinking I should do something more clever about the clustering. I'd play around with our internal machine learning stuff, but somehow I don't think I'd be able to get *that* running on the zemhill VPS. < 1441406068 813493 :mihow!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1441406079 135034 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, if I were mentally clustering programs, I'd cluster them by strategy < 1441406091 159620 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what they do in each phase of the game (decoy phase / rush phase / lock phase), for example < 1441406125 569009 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how you identify the phases, too < 1441406146 469464 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(misidentifying them is a common reason for programs to lose, incidentally; but if you have perfect knowledge of the tape it's much easier) < 1441406167 912945 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sadly, they don't exactly unambiguously output their strategy in a machine-readable form. But people do impressive semantic stuff for languages and images and all that. I'm sure deep neural nets is the answer. < 1441406169 571486 :mihow!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441406212 524245 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think a program that deduced the strategy of jousters from watching them play might be fun to think about/write < 1441406287 508826 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wow, so /this/ is why growth2 is doing so well: http://zem.fi/egostats/plot_p14_ptapeheat.png < 1441406304 588292 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has a much higher chance than I expected of successfully figuring out where the enemy flag is first try < 1441406393 640062 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this also implies to me that growth2 can be reliably beaten via purposely screwing up your clear to start at the wrong place < 1441406402 935860 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although that'd make your win rate worse against programs generally < 1441407639 166679 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: do you know where it says it was eve who did the toragay poisoning and eluka is not actually eluka? < 1441407844 669218 :clog!~nef@bespin.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1441407921 730973 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :01:10 < Sgeo_> There were also other new songs a while ago I also think I linked oren, like Drug of Gold ← you linked that to me < 1441407991 213605 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Any news on your thesis? < 1441408006 950507 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: it's "online" but not public until December for some reason :-( < 1441408016 306829 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1441408018 806912 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there's some official date where I officially get a PhD and before then they're not allowed to officially acknowledge it < 1441408027 552490 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can I bribe someone to get an early copy? < 1441408058 56885 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :come to think of it they're probably holding back the physical copies for the same reason < 1441408076 71105 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I spent over 4 years with it, so I don't really mind waiting a bit longer < 1441408119 690162 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What will you be doing after you get a PhD? < 1441408128 183349 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you write more theses or what? I don't know how these things work. < 1441408144 807709 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :currently I have a job working on a research compiler (related to my PhD work) < 1441408151 287858 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact I've already cited my own PhD in code comments < 1441408160 826686 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which compiler? < 1441408163 835043 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :an old version of the compiler's online < 1441408169 262904 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.veritygos.org/ < 1441408171 325935 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not my website) < 1441408192 740217 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't write it singlehandly but it's over 90% my code, I think < 1441408245 893610 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You worked with Satnam Singh on this thing? < 1441408256 737617 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yes, mostly to do with recursion < 1441408271 106902 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the situation was that we wanted to claim to be the first to do something, and that's a pretty bold claim < 1441408280 787801 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Satnam was one of the few people in the best position to know whether it had been done earlier < 1441408439 669885 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1441408638 443560 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yeah, finding previous research can be difficult < 1441408683 40305 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a theorem I proved, then found out that there were three earlier proofs given in the seventies. < 1441408799 416603 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1441409245 677750 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Ancient Babylonian Proof < 1441409564 566187 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1441409825 920854 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1441410720 83704 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, http://theevilliouschronicles.wikia.com/wiki/Elluka_Chirclatia#Legacy seems like not one of the songs (for the Elluka isn't Elluka one) < 1441410749 191291 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, ok. I did read the wiki, but it's not very good with referencing < 1441410784 356805 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, rather, with notes like "this was revealed in X" < 1441410786 153401 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://theevilliouschronicles.wikia.com/wiki/Margarita_Blankenheim says the Eve thing but having trouble finding reference < 1441410834 819084 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the end of the world occurred in one of the books (Seven Crimes and Punishments), that saddens me because I was hoping for a song of it. < 1441410853 324531 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1441410862 166533 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :any idea if it's been translated yet < 1441410863 641985 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :the book < 1441410871 908589 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It always feels like mothy was building up to some big reveal song regarding the end of the world, and now it's happened? < 1441410875 56295 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, don't know < 1441410880 608723 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't read it, do want to < 1441411860 357936 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1441412194 510118 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat JOIN :#esoteric < 1441412199 469127 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :++++++++[>++++[>++>+++>+++>+<<<<-]>+>+>->>+[<]<-]>>.>---.+++++++..+++.>>.<-.<.+++.------.--------.>>+.>++. < 1441412224 351326 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf . < 1441412224 933549 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1441412231 600879 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf ++++++++[>++++[>++>+++>+++>+<<<<-]>+>+>->>+[<]<-]>>.>---.+++++++..+++.>>.<-.<.+++.------.--------.>>+.>++. < 1441412232 326407 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello World! < 1441412233 65530 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: !bf doesn't logread < 1441412244 183741 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I was testing if that was the correct command < 1441412250 715078 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's one of them. < 1441412251 608821 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, it's the return of Schrödinger's Cat! < 1441412257 546497 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are a few that work < 1441412259 794741 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :meow < 1441412265 266621 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forget what settings !bf uses < 1441412275 737243 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think 8-bit cells and [something]. < 1441412284 423013 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lyka: the thing is we couldn't exactly check if you were alive or not, for fear it would kill you < 1441412312 159935 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, 8. < 1441412342 964210 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :All of !bf, !bf8, !bf16 and !bf32 call into the same script, which sets BW from the command name, defaulting to 8, and then calls egobfi$BW. < 1441412371 746441 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf ++++[>++++++++<-]>+>-[<.>-] < 1441412372 119506 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! < 1441412384 345070 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :should be 256 exclamation marks there in an 8-bit wrapping impl < 1441412399 734653 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it'll measure the cell size in other impls too, but that'd be too many exclamation marks to fit onto one line) < 1441412402 394021 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, not 256, 255 < 1441412406 611016 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And egobfi defaults to EOF-0, wrapping (actually, "wrappong", according to the README). < 1441412467 709827 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: did I tell you I made a BF implementation which saturates at -1 going downwards, has bignums going upwards, and uses -1 for EOF? < 1441412479 629007 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wishes she understood at least half of what you talk about here < 1441412484 634052 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't run because it's written in an unimplemented language and compiles into another unimplemented language? < 1441412485 364684 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrappong is a version of pong where, if your opponent misses, the ball wraps around, and the score isn't affected. < 1441412490 600341 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's kind of like zen pong. < 1441412563 197798 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: No, but it sounds like an interesting choice. I guess you can clear any cell with something like [--+]? < 1441412580 522955 :Wright_!~Wright@98.225.44.92 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441412581 467239 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :+[-]-+ works < 1441412591 398798 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but [--+] is shorter, come to think of it < 1441412598 790524 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly less efficient. < 1441412613 764475 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1441412625 564704 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "two steps forward, one step back" method. Or maybe it's the other way around. < 1441412663 722087 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf8 .[+.] < 1441412664 25327 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1441412677 55916 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lyka: what did you expect that to do? < 1441412679 463341 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you want one initial + there. < 1441412692 120352 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :current tape element starts at 0, then the loop doesn't run because outputting it doesn't change the value < 1441412695 946968 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf8 .+[.+] < 1441412696 282865 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1441412715 567195 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun fact: that BF program is the main reason that this channel is +C < 1441412729 866522 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do not understand < 1441412735 170382 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I think outputting a 0 might cut the output short on EgoBot. < 1441412736 301799 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could be that EgoBot can't output NUL < 1441412741 229508 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf8 +[.+] < 1441412741 553166 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​......... \ ..................... !"#$%&'()*+,-./0123456789:;<=>?@ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ[\]^_`abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz{|}~ < 1441412745 435521 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, that's it < 1441412750 191817 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :NUL is used as "end of string" by many languages < 1441412770 625579 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is a scow convention, by the way. < 1441412873 27376 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf ,....>.<....!same here < 1441412873 191982 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ssss < 1441412891 600071 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I recall correctly, that's the STRN fingerprint using 0 as a terminator. < 1441412903 855433 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, Wiktionary defines "scow" as "A large flat-bottomed boat, having broad, square ends.", plus a verb "To transport in a scow." < 1441412908 771655 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :neither of these meanings seem relevant < 1441412931 599329 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PART :#esoteric < 1441412933 484961 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I want to try thutubot but don't think it /has/ a BF interp < 1441412941 343427 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq knows what it means. < 1441412987 950970 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, just Underload and Haskell < 1441413051 514335 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's true, I know what it means. < 1441413056 339330 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Scow means scow. < 1441413083 834184 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Anagrams: cows" < 1441413097 57732 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Scow as in "garbage scow" < 1441413108 588044 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the scow of X" is something like the worst specimen of X < 1441413179 227477 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I'm curious whether the word "victory" has made its way into the lexicon. < 1441413196 86968 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably it wouldn't happen before the next sauzzle. < 1441413198 159660 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've not heard it. < 1441413234 947057 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although the next sauzzle is never very far away... < 1441413271 156498 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :For now, I am deeply contemplating a nap. < 1441413323 311554 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was going to say "well 'victory' is actually a real word", but so is 'scow', I guess < 1441413564 349425 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why am I insufficiently sleeped? < 1441413657 131315 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Would you say "sauzzle" is a real word? < 1441413679 255289 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: it's not one I'm aware of < 1441413693 422081 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You might be more familiar with an alternate spelling and tense. < 1441413727 806679 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hear "sozzled" is common in the UK. < 1441413863 802258 :mihow!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1441415319 330704 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1441415652 505652 :Wright_!~Wright@98.225.44.92 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1441415950 880948 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yes, that's common in the UK < 1441417460 397319 :grotewold!~grotewold@c-68-50-42-113.hsd1.in.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441418153 662431 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: at my school, your degree is not officially awarded until the ceremony < 1441418159 837561 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :same here I think < 1441418175 637729 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can get it awarded early only if you have an actual need, such as to get a visa < 1441418186 295672 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(to get a US visa, the customs officials must see your actual diploma) < 1441418253 304852 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1441418351 266807 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: hmm, you need a PhD to visit the US nowadays? < 1441418568 833942 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: No, but certain visas may require proof of your education. < 1441418569 93630 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: on a TN work visa, which requires a degree < 1441418592 928361 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you just want to visit and you're from the UK, you just show up. < 1441418595 530210 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :they won't accept "this person is confirmed to get a degree on such-and-such date", they need the actual degree < 1441418605 547035 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: don't you need to sign up for a visa waiver dealie in advance now? < 1441418612 411379 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought only canadians could just show up now < 1441418642 261358 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: WTF really? < 1441418643 464997 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know a Brit who visited the US recently < 1441418648 728610 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate US immigration even more now. < 1441418649 877485 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and had to fill out a bunch of forms online in advance < 1441418655 242997 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :meanwhile, when I visited Canada < 1441418663 4028 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was allowed to just turn up, but I had to fill out forms while on the plane < 1441418669 158088 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and was given a short interview by border control when I arrived < 1441418674 338868 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: whoa whoa whoa, you're moving to the US? < 1441418726 425096 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I don't think coppro has implied that? < 1441418742 207905 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Canada will be the same as of next March apparently < 1441418742 576496 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :He hasn't. < 1441418754 419676 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess "whoa whoa whoa" has multiple meanings. < 1441418784 356887 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :for Canada, it's an online thing that according to the government website is usually approved within minutes, and the total cost is $7 < 1441418814 125567 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the whole "paper-form-on-the-plane-plus-interview" thing must presumably be quite expensive < 1441418834 13836 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it cuts out the paper form. Maybe it does? < 1441418858 247804 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the US one costs $4 to apply and $10 to get approved < 1441418865 919266 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Which forms? < 1441418882 332341 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: when visiting Canada, I had to fill out a form while physically on the plane < 1441418902 24184 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, the ESTA thing. < 1441418934 666847 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's possible to avoid that by traveling to Canada first. < 1441418968 614802 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1441418975 374968 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's something different < 1441418992 147775 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Canadian form he's talking about is the standard customs declaration card, just saying who you are and what you have with you < 1441418998 283285 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's common to most countries < 1441419003 572352 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in different forms, obviously) < 1441419015 79608 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm talking about ais523's known Brit. < 1441419018 548051 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :also can you avoid the ESTA by going via Canada? nothing I've seen indicates that you can do that < 1441419038 638469 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: If you arrive by land from Canada. < 1441419038 959422 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: it was on a website somewhere, I don't really know the details < 1441419044 162893 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or so https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_System_for_Travel_Authorization says. < 1441419155 219986 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: aaaah < 1441419157 780320 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking by air < 1441419209 976386 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I traveled from the US to Canada and back by land once. < 1441419223 636333 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was much easier in one direction. < 1441419284 391571 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me guess. the to Canada direction. < 1441419294 470683 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1441419335 338161 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well yeah, by leaving AMERICA you've proven you're a muslimterroristantichrist < 1441419375 226801 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahhh ok so the ESTA replaces the I-94W form < 1441419395 164602 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :which visa waiver people used to have to fill out after landing < 1441419427 923635 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if Canada had a similar form < 1441419439 874519 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: But not in advance. < 1441419515 30185 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: right < 1441419522 596185 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :now you need to do it in advance of leaving < 1441419990 783711 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one thing that amused me was that at the airport where I landed in canada < 1441420000 905862 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there were two sections, one for flights to the US, one for flights to the rest of the world < 1441420003 968409 :grotewold!~grotewold@c-68-50-42-113.hsd1.in.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1441420008 205284 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the US part seemed to have much tighter security < 1441420142 721700 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: The US part has customs preclearance < 1441420156 603908 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are US customs officers there, and once you are through that you go through security and into a contained area < 1441420166 929306 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right, so the idea is that you don't have to go through customs again in the US? < 1441420170 97523 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1441420174 70999 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this reminds me of the setup in the Channel Tunnel < 1441420178 951021 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1441420181 320647 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are French border guards on the UK side and vice versa < 1441420191 584419 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's very convenient for a number of reasons. One of the big ones is getting to fly to smaller US airports < 1441420227 817391 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :since they can do customs clearance on the departure side, they don't need border officials at the other end < 1441420229 791892 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(apparently we pushed for that several years ago to reduce the number of illegal migrants who managed to get onto a Eurotunnel train via the usual channels and then claimed asylum while on UK soil but before getting through customs) < 1441420241 612608 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(because nowadays our border officers can say no while the migrant is still physically in France) < 1441420242 224808 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahahah < 1441420269 67861 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Once we drove to Canada and then flew outside the continent, but going through a US airport. < 1441420287 581498 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: So we had to go through US customs, but in Canada, as part of leaving the US. < 1441420293 821792 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: lol < 1441420295 721395 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :why did you do that? < 1441420301 345026 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. < 1441420323 343654 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the segregation also allows them to put weaker security checks on the non-US-bound flights because the US insists on "stronger" security < 1441420346 651528 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do they respect TSA Pre✓? < 1441420363 72126 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: the US insistence is relative? i.e. "travel to the US must be held to more stringent standards than your usual"? < 1441420366 864492 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :✓✓✔✔ < 1441420379 954495 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: no. It's still Canadian security agents. < 1441420386 397198 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Oh, that would be a great system. < 1441420389 395813 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: The US doesn't give a rat's ass about non-US flights. < 1441420409 290654 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"please spend 2/3 of the average resources on screening Canada-bound flights" < 1441420410 145728 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: unless they go near US airspace < 1441420412 465816 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't think it's relative, I think it's just that they want things like for a while they wanted shoes scanned, and the like < 1441420430 753682 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember they were asking for US-level security checks on flights to/from Canada that went sufficiently close to US airspace < 1441420437 359745 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I no longer need to have my shoes scanned in US flights. < 1441420438 436772 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :were they? < 1441420439 316624 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably on the basis that the plane might be diverted, or something < 1441420455 245096 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know that they require copies of the passenger manifest for all flights that go over the US < 1441420460 322225 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, that could be it < 1441420478 560551 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was a kerfuffle because the Canadian government had to pass legislation to allow it < 1441421772 543770 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1441423694 567217 :fowl!fowl@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-howchxuskjmcbpdt QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1441423785 198921 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441423808 341031 :fowl!fowl@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-hfvwzvgasvkdabgn JOIN :#esoteric < 1441424016 186550 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1441424182 328844 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :We have all the green stars now < 1441424372 673559 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :we do? < 1441424374 967772 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's good < 1441424380 394377 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wasn't aware we were missing any < 1441424384 941550 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :now we can do the perfect run < 1441426083 283705 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1441427586 609262 :lemurian!~sh4n3@unaffiliated/lemurian QUIT :Quit: Konversation terminated! < 1441428052 738071 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDream < 1441428075 302184 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1441430165 301317 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1441430558 444198 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I made up a "Bad at Magic Items" flaw for Dungeons&Dragons game, although the name isn't very good probably I should change it. It is: http://zzo38computer.org/dnd/flaw/bad_at_magic_items < 1441430598 678411 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you know how to play this game you can tell me if there is something wrong with it please. < 1441430615 351391 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: which edition? < 1441430643 143751 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The 3.5 edition < 1441430670 925882 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"skills" should be "skill checks", other than that it seems to work rules-wise, but it would be a really big drawback < 1441430677 580233 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so most players would choose not to take it < 1441430749 830679 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw2-54f80e-20.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1441430751 363327 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I don't want to make it too minor either < 1441430854 463902 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, definitely < 1441430864 61545 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're erring on the right side there, most flaws are apparently really broken < 1441431046 555084 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you think it is too severe how to changed to make not too minor either though? < 1441431320 610651 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, the save penalty is probably the biggest effect there < 1441431324 73533 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you remove it it's probably too minor < 1441431656 278877 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441431890 916879 :Walpurgisnacht!~ah@c-24-56-248-51.customer.broadstripe.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441432718 707800 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The name isn't very good either I think < 1441433044 914484 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1441433103 306926 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-36-170.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1441433144 986965 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-36-170.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1441433145 162046 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1441433168 274572 :Walpurgisnacht!~ah@c-24-56-248-51.customer.broadstripe.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1441434066 970208 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What kind of interesting features are there in CLIs? < 1441434119 589205 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it depend what kind of CLI? < 1441434301 978821 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like < 1441434309 109404 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A traditional CLI < 1441434327 801809 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpy f1 f2 -f >> f3 < 1441434388 37926 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What other features are there? < 1441434402 903785 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's see if I can think of it < 1441434430 535683 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should we design a True EsoShell? < 1441434452 641434 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can try, if you have some idea how to design it. < 1441434608 710176 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1441434786 208414 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Think of any rare-but-useful shell features yet? < 1441434838 567772 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net TOPIC #esoteric :The fnord never strikes twice in the same fnord | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ | http://esolangs.org/ < 1441435792 926026 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1441437441 605790 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1441437957 335157 :mihow!~mihow@c-76-27-244-171.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441439418 497034 :mihow!~mihow@c-76-27-244-171.hsd1.or.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1441440130 194201 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-30-120.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1441440380 874034 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw2-54f80e-20.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1441441979 857085 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw2-54f80e-20.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1441442354 592663 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw2-54f80e-20.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1441444035 276088 :sc00fy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1441445351 252218 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-64-77.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1441447113 209604 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1441447416 843049 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:ShortScript14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=44044 5* 03YourDeathIsComing 5* (+76) 10Created page with "If you have any suggestions for this language please feel free to post them." < 1441447842 944837 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441448170 960192 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1441448644 573657 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441449374 181296 :Ox0dea!~Ox0dea@67-8-103-140.res.bhn.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441449383 291897 :Ox0dea!~Ox0dea@67-8-103-140.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is single-line Befunge-98 Turing-complete? < 1441449769 174101 :MDream!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1441449907 249773 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441450160 542636 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ox0dea: almost certainly yes < 1441450171 616298 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :people have written "effectively Unefunge" Befunge in the past < 1441450189 166828 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1441450192 827524 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and, well, Unefunge itself is considered TC I think and that's basically identical to one-line Befunge-98 except that y coordinates don't exist < 1441450208 295277 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(e.g. the g/p commands can't be used to read/write off your line) < 1441450393 512822 :Ox0dea!~Ox0dea@67-8-103-140.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Hm, information on Unefunge appears to be quite scarce. < 1441450411 734209 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ox0dea: it's mentioned in the official docs for Befunge-98, but it's basically just a one-line mention < 1441450422 648549 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that if you remove the y coordinate, newlines, and all commands that require two dimensions to exist < 1441450426 889127 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that you get Unefunge < 1441450441 288600 :lleu!~gnomebad@88.202.254.4 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441450441 452727 :lleu!~gnomebad@88.202.254.4 QUIT :Changing host < 1441450441 452788 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu JOIN :#esoteric < 1441450464 567589 :Ox0dea!~Ox0dea@67-8-103-140.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, but that it remains TC after being gutted so isn't immediately obvious. < 1441450497 90044 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only really hard part is loops, and you can use a flying IP for that < 1441450512 671545 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1441451836 748775 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Ziim14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44045&oldid=38420 5* 03Timwi 5* (+28) 10Fix important mistake < 1441451868 811715 :Ox0dea!~Ox0dea@67-8-103-140.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The mistake itself was important? < 1441451890 560586 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ox0dea: ? < 1441451904 102563 :Ox0dea!~Ox0dea@67-8-103-140.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The changelog message there? < 1441451907 424984 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh, now I'm trying to translate 0x0dea into decimal in my head < 1441451921 660118 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 0x0dea < 1441451923 335537 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 3562 < 1441451932 352986 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that rather ruins it, but fair enough < 1441451948 63430 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was the point hth < 1441451951 180945 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(strangely enough, I'm in the habit of using bash to translate hex into decimal) < 1441451972 672034 :Ox0dea!~Ox0dea@67-8-103-140.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shall we golf? < 1441452000 5013 :Ox0dea!~Ox0dea@67-8-103-140.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, never mind; `printf` is a thing. < 1441452039 679659 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo $((0x0dea)) < 1441452040 255029 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :3562 < 1441452053 316550 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no printf required for hex→decimal (only to convert the other way round) < 1441452096 969438 :Ox0dea!~Ox0dea@67-8-103-140.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :TIL. < 1441453509 501066 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1441453554 187012 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu JOIN :#esoteric < 1441453569 510752 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1441453592 866917 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu QUIT :Client Quit < 1441453611 334555 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1441453611 498675 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu JOIN :#esoteric < 1441455374 315382 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-30-120.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1441455394 208585 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-64-77.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1441455468 661811 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codepad.org/44Cqut5S <- suggestions. < 1441455478 196406 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to come up with an open source license that has privacy restrictions. < 1441455541 325219 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-64-77.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1441455625 478944 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: that can't be open source by definition (no restriction on fields of endeavour), although you can make it "like" open source < 1441456140 244794 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1441456155 668424 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1441457285 204398 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-64-77.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1441457348 354976 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-64-77.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1441457453 954649 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Malbrain14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44046&oldid=43731 5* 03Paul2520 5* (+168) 10 < 1441457729 575175 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1441457753 318315 :lleu!~gnomebad@88.202.254.4 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441457753 482700 :lleu!~gnomebad@88.202.254.4 QUIT :Changing host < 1441457753 482759 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu JOIN :#esoteric < 1441457811 187023 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1441457948 889872 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu JOIN :#esoteric < 1441458136 321306 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, Agatha definitely has to go to that family party... < 1441459036 303141 :x10A94!~x10A94@178.252.73.97 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441459055 668956 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1441461471 205448 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Quit: BBS < 1441461620 373909 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1441461806 444938 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1441461856 405785 :atslash!~atslash@broadband-46-188-0-82.2com.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441461941 14896 :Froox!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Quit: *bubbles away* < 1441462128 397393 :atslash!~atslash@broadband-46-188-0-82.2com.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1441462172 591899 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1441462580 344923 :FilthyCasual!5355f0a8@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.83.85.240.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441462589 198619 :FilthyCasual!5355f0a8@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.83.85.240.168 PART :#esoteric < 1441463323 196093 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1441464375 600049 :APic!apic@apic.name QUIT :Quit: Boot tut gut™ < 1441464589 394925 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1441464781 531058 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, that TTS update schedule... < 1441465058 784299 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :TTS? < 1441465093 991379 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh tuesday-thursday-saturday < 1441465124 324396 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: yeah at this rate they should switch to that officially. except then they'll just slip another day. < 1441465298 982098 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :beausoleil is a bit inscrutable, is he evil or _just_ arrogant < 1441465319 843494 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose they make it ambiguous on purpose < 1441465399 631420 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :evil? opportunistic, perhaps, and used to being smarter than most people around him < 1441465468 990655 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well my question is whether he was behind any of the assassination attempts. although with the Family involved, he seems redundant. < 1441465505 282361 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :if he was, we'll probably find out < 1441465518 669652 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(does the family have any official name? they certainly don't all share a surname) < 1441465593 608884 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait what, girl genius has a cast list? < 1441465733 136300 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Sturmvoraus family, I'd call them. < 1441465768 427676 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :And why is it that this is the first time I notice that this is german... < 1441465879 787531 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's see, shopping, laundry, lambdabot maintenance that I promised for last weekend... better get busy :) < 1441466148 215669 :zadock!~outsider@81.180.210.221 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441466202 719989 :zadock!~outsider@81.180.210.221 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1441466465 835163 :sc00fy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1441466919 572066 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Later < 1441467670 515696 :grotewold!~grotewold@c-68-50-42-113.hsd1.in.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441467924 356638 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-64-77.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1441467990 373433 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-64-77.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1441468196 676530 :APic!apic@apic.name JOIN :#esoteric < 1441468867 38209 :grotewold!~grotewold@c-68-50-42-113.hsd1.in.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1441468897 237654 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH JOIN :#esoteric < 1441469220 304552 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-30-120.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1441470448 644760 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :good noon < 1441470496 850969 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`thanks moon < 1441470497 675569 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, moon. Thoon. < 1441471075 792953 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`thanks ants < 1441471076 407665 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, ants. Thants. < 1441471100 803777 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`thanks things < 1441471101 438514 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, things. Things. < 1441471109 270980 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting < 1441471459 88694 :mihow!~mihow@c-76-27-244-171.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441471528 874448 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`thanks 谷風 < 1441471529 432600 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, 谷風. T風. < 1441471538 850873 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. < 1441471710 479706 :rodgort!~rodgort@105.ip-167-114-152.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1441471952 372400 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1441471957 349335 :rodgort!~rodgort@2607:5300:100:200::160d JOIN :#esoteric < 1441472132 437839 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` PERL_UNICODE=SDA thanks 谷風 < 1441472133 340379 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, 谷風. T風. < 1441472182 563877 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` sed -i -e 's/perl/perl -CSDA/' bin/thanks < 1441472184 362695 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1441472189 162479 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`thanks 谷風 < 1441472189 886060 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, 谷風. T風. < 1441472193 334355 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Fixed" it. < 1441472212 311333 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although the "algorithm" is still pretty latin-alphabet-only. < 1441472293 657052 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spoilers: it's "if there's any character [aeiouy], replace anything before that by 'Th'; otherwise, replace the first character by 'T'." < 1441472352 877465 :atrapado!~atrapado@unaffiliated/atrapado JOIN :#esoteric < 1441472846 500573 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441472872 39922 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Malbrain14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44047&oldid=44046 5* 03Rdebath 5* (+266) 10:-) < 1441473118 164453 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441473145 452565 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` cat bin/thanks < 1441473146 123247 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/usr/bin/perl -CSDA \ $_ = (join " ", @ARGV) || `words`; s/^\s+|\s+$//g; print "Thanks, $_. "; if (/[aeiouyAEIOUY]/) { s/^[^aeiouyAEIOUY]*/Th/; } else { s/^./T/; } print "$_."; < 1441473181 41136 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perl: the mainstream esolang < 1441473237 888877 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it possible to program vim so that the delete key does not store deleted text in the register by default (but other commands to delete text in normal mode do store the text in the register)? < 1441473269 154566 :TieSoul_!~quassel@86.89.119.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441473278 510789 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1441473327 883679 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::noremap x "_x < 1441473330 244010 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :etc < 1441473454 939062 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1441473482 843683 :mihow!~mihow@c-76-27-244-171.hsd1.or.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1441473636 353823 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would still want x and d to save the deleted text, and still want to allow delete key to be used with an explicit register, just to change the default if delete is used instead of d or x or some other command < 1441474031 843284 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Quit: *bubbles away* < 1441474252 785746 :zadock!~outsider@81.180.210.221 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441474372 940916 :zadock!~outsider@81.180.210.221 QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1441474391 956067 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trying :noremap "_ does not seem to do anything? < 1441475203 332040 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1441475482 419147 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441475510 282554 :mihow!~mihow@c-76-27-244-171.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441475575 322023 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1441475930 845181 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Using my Wii U, I can watch youtube on my CRT TV < 1441475984 349810 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't it comforting to have a raygun pointed at my face? < 1441476041 258002 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1441477684 142121 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a lot of homophones that come from initial consonant clusters that English people are lazy to pronounce: write–right–rite–wright, wrap–rap, wrest–rest, knight–night, knot–not. < 1441477754 755410 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, OK yes I suppose I can see them too < 1441477763 836964 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :English is full of crazy homophones. there's verbs like sew–sow, raise–raze; mathematical functions sine–sign; < 1441477771 639983 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Swap those two lines. < 1441477805 611706 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, English is full if stupid stuff like that and others < 1441477842 987646 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :some of those are due to the loss of velar fricatives < 1441477877 360000 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesthiswork: what? which one? < 1441477895 935231 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :gh is how to voiced velar fricative used to be written < 1441477911 868955 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :replace to with the < 1441477919 688699 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1441477963 715014 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so right would be riɣt < 1441478011 649216 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but is now /rait/ < 1441478048 864288 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :v < 1441478121 799600 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the v is because I temporarily switched to an different keymap and forgot that control-v didn't mean paste) < 1441478127 879483 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voiced_velar_fricative < 1441478155 207551 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441478409 960093 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441478650 146172 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 < 1441479079 874485 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1441479328 826988 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the hell is this? EFCDAB89 isn't representable as a UInt32??? < 1441479501 560308 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aha! < 1441479543 785031 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, look, the result of the ICFP contest is now announced! < 1441479633 791252 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought of a possibility that my "Bad at Magic Items" flaw, to change it so that in addition to attacks/saves/skills it also affects AC and SR, but only penalizes them in situations where magic is involved or to cancel out a magical bonus, and otherwise does not penalize them; and that if activating an item would do nothing anyways then you aren't stunned either. Does this seem to make it better? < 1441479671 707750 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: um what? I don't understand that whole thing. what are you talking about? < 1441479671 941753 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :first place: Team Eel? < 1441479685 512853 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1441479696 214137 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I mean this: http://zzo38computer.org/dnd/flaw/bad_at_magic_items < 1441479701 773958 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :eels are known for their electrical engineering prowess < 1441479705 338707 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I think the name is also not very good and should be improved.) < 1441479719 104493 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps I should write the first word as EEls. < 1441479731 3893 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: good point < 1441479775 397755 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So a bunch of Japanese Eels, using a lot of languages at once, won the contest. < 1441479820 729361 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :We officially declare that C++, Java, C#, PHP, Ruby and Haskell are the programming tools of choice for discriminating hackers! < 1441479835 510621 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ PHP? augh < 1441479866 157002 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :No Perl. < 1441479877 577634 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Do you understand this? < 1441479878 591376 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ruby is okay ish, but Haskell and C# are the only ones on that list that are functional < 1441479900 775026 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :C# is functional specifically if you're using LINQ < 1441479916 559822 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: I agree PHP isn't very good, nevertheless I have written a few programs in PHP (as well as in various others) < 1441479952 224786 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have written entire 1000 line web applications in PHP. I still don't like it < 1441479980 994987 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is easy to use, but... just ugly < 1441479986 799973 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I have written standalone programs in PHP too, still not as good as C and JavaScript and so on < 1441479987 236124 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Javascript is kind of nice, as long as you don't try to interact with the browser ;) < 1441479995 462099 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeha < 1441479996 240990 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Yes, I agree < 1441480210 156542 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1441480210 995728 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441480358 397354 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think yesterday it was ais523 who comment about my "Bad at Magic Items" flaw. But I want to know how to make improved, if anyone else has idea too. I believe the name should be changed too, if you know how to make the better name of it < 1441480540 345562 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aggressivly Mundane? < 1441480568 33273 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( Were were you the last 3 rounds? -- Oh, I accidently stumbled into my bag of holding, took me ages to find the way back. ) < 1441480593 885109 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, yes that is one idea of the name, thank you < 1441480610 691632 :atrapado!~atrapado@unaffiliated/atrapado QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1441480746 714494 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: um, I don't know, I don't really know much about DnD style magic items in first place, so I can't really tell what this flaw is like < 1441480800 556434 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: does this mean you can still fire expensive +5 arrows from your non-magical bow without a penalty? < 1441480820 435205 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: and what does SR mean in first place? < 1441480822 183409 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1441480836 500587 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: SR means spell resistance < 1441480843 695238 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1441480883 445884 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, it does not mean you can fire expensive +5 arrows from your non-magical bow without a penalty; you take a -1 penalty. Although I suppose as worded it doesn't but I need to fix that! < 1441480891 51323 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thank you for noticing that! < 1441480983 488293 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :So is this a flaw that a character would have if they're a barbarian or druid who doesn't rely much on items, but does martial arts bare-handed or with an ordinary quarterstick, or leads other people or animals to a fight? < 1441481056 15228 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or if you use mundane items much more than magical < 1441481056 740457 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or could a sorcerer or psion take this reasonably, if they don't want to use permanent magic items, but instead manage all the magic themselves or at most use scrolls and potions? < 1441481086 728531 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does reading scrolls come with a use magic device check? < 1441481111 506010 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or does the “activate any magic item other than a spell completion item” cover a scroll or a magic potion? < 1441481121 201099 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reading scrolls sometimes requires a use magic device check; it does if you could not otherwise figure out the spell < 1441481136 257191 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :A scroll is a spell completion item. A potion is not; it does cover potions. < 1441481178 179165 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you scribed the scroll yourself you could always figure it out though. < 1441481182 684783 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok. < 1441481191 383515 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Scribing scrolls yourself is expensive though! < 1441481214 580870 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you don't scribe the scroll, that would need you using a magic item, namely a magic marker < 1441481231 694187 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, it's also expensive, it requires xp and feats and stuff < 1441481240 707209 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and knowing the spell < 1441481252 289724 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it does require those things. < 1441481520 698304 :mihow!~mihow@c-76-27-244-171.hsd1.or.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1441481723 370745 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now many possible changes have been figure out; do you think it can be good enough with all of these changes? < 1441481736 76938 :TieSoul_!~quassel@86.89.119.147 NICK :TieSoul < 1441481903 205068 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1441482514 304266 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I made many changes now (including the filename) < 1441482865 181761 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://imgur.com/gallery/TWY4LbE this < 1441483087 164430 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have some idea that if you make PDF viewing program, to have default mode which mostly ignores the restrictions of operations, and also compliance mode which follow the restriction as specified in the file. Even in default mode though a lock icon is shown for operations that are marked as restricted, but they work anyways; for user-specified colors, the option now in addition to "When document does not specify" and "Always" is also "When document < 1441483228 119984 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Annotations and forms and so on would not be loaded by default if the document restricts these functions, but can still be used if the user explicitly selects them by menu or command-line. < 1441483310 472185 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you agree with these kind of thing? < 1441483329 68936 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :your message was cropped after 'in addition to "When document does not specify" and "Always" is also "When document' < 1441483355 882520 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :for user-specified colors, the option now in addition to "When document does not specify" and "Always" is also "When document does not restrict" < 1441483407 961486 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: This sounds similar though not identical to the approach taken by mupdf. < 1441483432 584311 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :mupdf intentionally omts several of those features because they're terrible. :) < 1441483512 868633 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have seen information about another program which has an option to turn on/off whether these restrictions are applied, but I think my way would make it more useful, so that even if you want to print it anyways, you can still know if the author was trying to prevent you from printing it. < 1441483565 22617 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, huh, mupdf did implement them. Optionally. < 1441483591 256760 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :(note that mupdf is mostly a PDF *library* though; it ships with some utils, but they're pretty rough UI-wise) < 1441483619 847354 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Due to what is in the document it might require its own colors, that is why there should be three choice for such reason < 1441483790 956856 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: sure, and you should be able to switch the colors at run-time for just a document if you want < 1441483832 367920 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :just like how I normally set my browsers to use the fonts I choose only, but on oren's bitmap font demonstration page I temporarily want to allow his font < 1441484250 381583 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :int dir = (i % 2 == 0 ? 1 : -1); for (int pol = dir > 0 ? 0 : 1; dir > 0 ? pol <= 1 : pol >= 0; pol += dir) ... in retrospect, coming back to this snippet after a year, I'm not quite sure this was the best way of expressing "iterate alternatingly 0,1 or 1,0". < 1441484292 293063 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I have absolutely no idea *why* it needs to do that. < 1441484454 101732 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :...oh, I start to vaguely remember. But that's horrible, and doubly so is not to put a comment here. < 1441484471 519646 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-221-216.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1441484929 605614 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :beautiful < 1441485100 497152 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, int pol = i % 2; for (int c = 0; c < 2; c++, pol ^= 1)... < 1441485135 193580 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :pol = i & 1 <-- would be more in line with the xor. < 1441485178 777953 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: For the record, it was part of gearlanced.c, and it needs to alternate because executing a single match has the side effect of flipping the right program's polarity. < 1441485208 476397 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(dir, pol) = (1 - pol, 1 - dir) < 1441485239 923535 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :python? < 1441485256 729385 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell, with leading let also rust < 1441485267 969912 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :in haskell that will bottom out < 1441485269 560525 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :python maybe, too < 1441485283 703612 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, yeah < 1441485295 322335 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's also Python. < 1441485304 217064 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though by convention it would be written without the parentheses, I think. < 1441485325 872281 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :iterate (\(x, y) -> (1-x, 1-y)) (1, 0) < 1441485334 700002 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ml, but that also needs a let. < 1441485360 676662 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :cycle [(1,0),(0,1)] < 1441485380 308379 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1441485384 965966 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1441485385 457020 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the iterate could be more efficient if it fuses < 1441485395 492793 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh? < 1441485476 76771 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :as far as I understand, the cycle *will* allocate a two-element cyclic list on the heap, at least with ghc; the compiler isn't smart enough to see the structur. with fusion, the iterate version can end up with x and y in registers, being negated in each iteration. < 1441485536 96672 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1441485548 270559 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes sense < 1441485568 191 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just replaced it with int sieve = i % 2, kettle = !sieve; to get either 0,1 or 1,0; it used to be convoluted because it had to go in order as it was putchar'ing, but now it's writing to two separate arrays. (I'm making it a bit more easily extendable as preparation for being able to use the fancy don't-recompile hill stuff also for getting the visualization statistics. Trying to reach new ... < 1441485574 15942 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... levels of premature optimization, here.) < 1441485798 375916 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-64-77.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1441485850 226128 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441485942 262777 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Sigh* < 1441485963 252616 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-64-77.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1441486416 488966 :TieSoul_!~quassel@2a02:a448:4a62:0:8573:d2f5:3193:5f94 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441486670 972042 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1441486676 199222 :TieSoul_!~quassel@2a02:a448:4a62:0:8573:d2f5:3193:5f94 NICK :TieSoul < 1441486756 802372 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavello! < 1441486770 887341 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm not quite certain how to pronounce that) < 1441486958 554070 :J_Arcane_!~chatzilla@37-219-65-246.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1441487049 416952 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-221-216.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1441487058 365209 :J_Arcane_!~chatzilla@37-219-65-246.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi NICK :J_Arcane < 1441487098 167294 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I cannot install a print server downstairs because a different router is used, but I had the other idea is the computer with the printer is the client instead, and then if it is turned on and enter the password it can download the PCL file from my computer and send it to the printer. < 1441487151 8953 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if it is possible to do this with FreeDOS so that it does not take too long to start up the computer. < 1441487225 419728 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: um, how would FreeDOS help compared to a linux with most of the time-consuming stuff at boot disabled? < 1441487293 829196 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, in my experience, when I boot my PC, it takes 30 seconds to even get to the beginning of the boot loader, then between 30 and 40 seconds to boot up from that. But with a stripped down linux where you don't start much stuff, it would take only 10 seconds, so < 1441487296 479512 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know much about how Linux is booting, but I know that FreeDOS boots very fast < 1441487310 779899 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :at that point it doesn't matter whether you make it 10 second or 5 second, because the 30 seconds before that is what takes most of the time. < 1441487319 910916 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Less than ten seconds even < 1441487322 536777 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linux proper boots practically instantly; it's the distros that make it suck. < 1441487334 259783 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, I know DOS boots instantly, especially if you use that magical switch in the config.sys so it doesn't deliberately sleep for one second < 1441487346 945922 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you're using a slow hard drive that is < 1441487376 267597 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the magical switch is SWITCHES=/F by the way < 1441487388 935601 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well < 1441487392 742714 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to make a VM < 1441487396 373311 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's a 2 second sleep, not one seconds < 1441487405 735457 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that applies to MS-DOS, I don't know about FreeDOS < 1441487485 864872 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have used FreeDOS so I have figured out how to speed it up. < 1441487534 762974 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1441487642 960315 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :On one computer I installed FreeDOS and a database program; the database program is ready before the CRT is ready if both are turned on at the same time. < 1441487714 176020 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :This database program was designed to be used on a XT computer with floppy disks, but I had a much more modern computer and with a hard drive and FreeDOS, and past the year 2000, and yet it still works fine. < 1441487750 746943 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The only problem I found is it would not let me to enter telephone numbers with a 778 area code, and I did not figure out how to fix that.) < 1441487823 701924 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: is it running natively, or emulated under some other operating system? < 1441487832 6734 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I no longer run DOS natively < 1441487840 745674 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I run it emulated for games and similar < 1441487853 159106 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That computer ran DOS natively. I do not know if it is still in use since I do not work there anymore. < 1441487864 422734 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did run it natively for quite a long time though < 1441487930 909291 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I run Linux on my own computer so I use an emulator to run various DOS games such as ZZT and Jazz Rabbit and so on. < 1441487996 402253 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is ZZT? < 1441488060 761476 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1441488352 925526 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-64-77.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in < 1441488669 544097 :x10A94!~x10A94@178.252.73.97 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1441488761 74983 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :WalVM < 1441489028 672268 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1441489290 585448 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice quote, "It is easier to optimize correct code than to correct optimized code." (found on haskell-cafe) < 1441489308 712594 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(attributed to Bill Harlan) < 1441489574 693734 :TieSoul!~quassel@2a02:a448:4a62:0:8573:d2f5:3193:5f94 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1441490024 887353 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The maximum number for a 2 byte instruction name is FEFE (in hex), right? < 1441490030 79391 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :255*255 < 1441490054 718118 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait < 1441490056 221897 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1441490061 149943 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehhh < 1441490062 812806 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hex(255)+hex(255) < 1441490073 340246 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(+ is join) < 1441490081 721340 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(hex() does not add 0x and produces a string) < 1441490091 613904 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is FFFF < 1441490092 704806 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm making a VM < 1441490098 187053 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems like it < 1441490111 457863 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm including 0000 and such < 1441490114 311707 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :0001 < 1441490116 6618 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :0002 < 1441490117 484959 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Etc < 1441490237 547323 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be 65536 possibilities < 1441490266 137843 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds right < 1441490349 382406 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The python program used for x in range(255) < 1441490352 905428 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for y in range(255) < 1441490355 694235 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where can I find test data for SHA < 1441490363 47329 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then concatenated the hexes of x and y < 1441490366 284606 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that's 341664 in base 7, if my calculation is correct) < 1441490369 997981 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No clue < 1441490387 134842 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll just hope it's right and add the rest manually if not < 1441490388 583960 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :which it isn't :) < 1441490474 592796 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-65-246.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1441490568 215049 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 2^16 `div` 7^2 < 1441490570 162940 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1337 < 1441490618 502497 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's an idea for an ISA < 1441490640 795206 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown argument count < 1441490669 390007 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :An instruction keeps consuming arguments until it meets an END instruction (which would be 0000, probably) < 1441490681 496501 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Instead of ADD < 1441490683 663212 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :We have SUM < 1441490733 474121 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, how do you multiply by 0? < 1441490748 174264 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Every input has a value of itself-1 < 1441490769 77653 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :0000 is abstractfully equal to -1 < 1441490779 310878 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1441490804 779721 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION patents that idea and makes a million billion dollars (long system, of course) < 1441491237 699093 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: So do you like the idea? < 1441491357 975825 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am not sure yet < 1441491374 500400 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are definitely flaws < 1441491380 651783 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ex: How the hell does branching work < 1441491404 969463 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :BRANCH 1 2 3 4 5; <--!? < 1441491419 872114 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps it's concurrent? < 1441491524 948460 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot: Hi xD < 1441491531 367912 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: < 1441491531 568397 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: lucky you :) < 1441491533 213391 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: < 1441491533 378706 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: i do this. < 1441491534 649947 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: < 1441491534 969702 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: i was fnord before. when do _you_ use assigment? does doing so make you feel like drawing something. requests/ ideas anyone? < 1441491569 334268 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where does Fungot get his quotes? < 1441491575 34851 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or its < 1441491592 146098 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As fungot trancends our primitive ideas of gender and actual existence < 1441491592 363956 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: the worst one was in the ' artic circle'. you just get numbers. you can have a proof like that < 1441491598 494804 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :these aren't quotes < 1441491610 418421 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are they generated sentences? < 1441491615 379392 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1441491618 590636 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoa. < 1441491627 869402 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where are the quotes fungotten? < 1441491628 33999 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :based on different styles < 1441491628 34082 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: he appears to be completely missing. < 1441491638 724653 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :dun dun dun < 1441491649 28317 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have any clue how BRANCH should work? < 1441491661 940940 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :BRANCH 5 1000000 69 42 8; < 1441491700 118404 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, naive idea would be goto < 1441491770 497572 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1441491772 534450 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course < 1441491777 941682 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would be naive < 1441491783 179154 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I definitely didn't consider that < 1441491798 869084 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CALL a b c d would probably call a then b then c then d < 1441491840 906870 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :RAND would flourish in this language < 1441491852 645800 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :RAND a b c d picks one of them at random < 1441491906 538098 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: Do you know of an /un/naive idea? < 1441491912 822922 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You kind of left me hanging there xD < 1441492034 15160 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it depends on your overall idea < 1441492038 838022 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course < 1441492039 427116 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could do sone < 1441492042 194707 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1441492045 395067 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sone? < 1441492047 650594 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like what,c does < 1441492060 42344 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is? < 1441492078 443034 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. having a call that returns different values depending on the thread you are in < 1441492088 822976 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah? < 1441492094 154747 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is a VM < 1441492101 438429 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't know much about assembly xD) < 1441492106 449610 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I've been meaning to learn it) < 1441492123 828587 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CALL and BRANCH are different, right? < 1441492140 601957 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1441492166 995839 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1441492179 388132 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are talking about something existing? < 1441492225 672157 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Every input has a value of itself-1 <-- then there will be a possible large argument value missing instead hth < 1441492234 69381 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1441492238 935867 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes there will be < 1441492242 535961 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not perfect xD < 1441492247 459456 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :minicat2 < 1441492282 688471 :minicat2!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1441492457 890468 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you like this for the SET instruction: < 1441492460 6513 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : if argc == 1, zero reg args[0] to 0. Else, set reg args[0] to args[1], reg args[0]+1 to args[2], etc. for length of arguments. < 1441492628 164278 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dammit oerjan < 1441492631 315036 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now it's bugging me < 1441492637 584740 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any better ways to implement it? < 1441492654 878599 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I suppose I could do * < 1441492660 549066 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I don't like that < 1441492665 282042 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a bit ugly < 1441492721 165610 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's bugging me 'cause it'll mess up printing of the chr(0xFF) character < 1441492728 785096 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> chr(255) < 1441492730 128739 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : '\255' < 1441492738 15040 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> '\255' < 1441492739 403848 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : '\255' < 1441492749 649127 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> print('\255') < 1441492751 363573 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1441492755 654588 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK then < 1441492800 414549 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps an escape arg code? < 1441492815 435333 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FF could be the escape code < 1441492851 694757 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then to multiply by 0 you do FF 00 00 < 1441492865 484281 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname? < 1441492885 658845 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just bouncing ideas off of people and need to alert them to respond xD < 1441492891 183797 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm probably a "bit" annoying < 1441492921 740093 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : . o O ( Were were you the last 3 rounds? -- Oh, I accidently stumbled into my bag of holding, took me ages to find the way back. ) <-- istr living things cannot survive in bags of holding < 1441492975 494707 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well C has similar problems printing \0's... < 1441492987 107016 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, escape chars are /pretty/ complex for an ISA < 1441493009 422156 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> var "\255" < 1441493011 171550 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : ÿ < 1441493062 646980 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> var "\256" < 1441493064 585982 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Ā < 1441493071 455516 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1441493074 431676 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Must be Unifcode < 1441493090 97949 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> var [maxBound] < 1441493092 53871 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 􏿿 < 1441493095 97742 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well of course it is) < 1441493100 719829 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this is the future) < 1441493119 438547 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So oerjan, what's a better idea: Escape chars or varlength args? < 1441493148 537119 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :varlength seems less evil < 1441493154 266036 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know < 1441493159 551489 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's also less fun < 1441493173 380466 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll do... < 1441493177 430652 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really don't know < 1441493187 26505 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Imma go shower and think on it < 1441493768 768246 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'll just settle for varlength < 1441493935 41654 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Do I strictly need a NOP? < 1441494061 668527 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not if you can fake one... < 1441494445 355273 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1441494525 277005 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I provide builtin floating point operations? < 1441494628 978727 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And what about hyperbolic sin/cos/tan? < 1441494674 395864 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441494762 549015 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO MANY CHOICES < 1441494774 787533 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :HALP oerjan! < 1441494828 532383 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :so much vertical space tdnh < 1441494853 25817 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :root < 1441494858 130912 :root!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1441494938 606979 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And hyperbolic inverse sin/cos/tan too < 1441495041 245264 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :PROVIDE ALL THE THINGS < 1441495120 674205 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm is ordinary sin/cos/tan elliptic or parabolic < 1441495131 152944 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and whichever it is, what's the third kind < 1441495187 433399 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hyperbolic is the third kind, I believe < 1441495195 150354 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1441495197 869175 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um no < 1441495213 272349 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And despite my limited knowledge, based on some snazzy diagrams I've seen on wikipedia, I would think it's elliptic given the circle shown < 1441495228 29480 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :STOP MISUNDERSTANDING ME < 1441495245 644909 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i may not be making sense, but that is NO excuse < 1441495263 40251 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hyperbolic was the first one, which you mentioned < 1441495324 710350 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Last time I checked, parabola =/= hyperbola < 1441495331 523004 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I could be spewing bullshit < 1441495335 955788 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is a very pleasant image < 1441495337 827760 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :paranoia = hypernoia?? < 1441495452 479254 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well duh < 1441495482 185844 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1441495513 222782 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got the registral, Arithmetical, Trigonometric, and Hyperbolic/Trigonometric < 1441495518 855039 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What to add next? < 1441495520 178420 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh < 1441495523 497016 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another project < 1441495538 793125 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ISA with Geometric instructions < 1441495549 419358 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose next comes boolean < 1441495553 148197 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then control < 1441495623 546158 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, bitwise < 1441495991 300008 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heyppavilion can you try to keep each sentenc on one line please twh? < 1441496046 202286 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry < 1441496066 701985 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I send messages as I think of them xD < 1441496070 524315 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoops, did it again < 1441496080 623716 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats hppavilion[1] -----### < 1441496089 285336 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION whimpers < 1441496094 728185 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was it with a Mapole? < 1441496104 787326 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course not, with a swatter < 1441496106 466314 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? mapole < 1441496107 676812 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A mapole is a thwackamacallit built from maple according to Canadian standards. The army version includes a spork, a corkscrew and a moose whistle. A regulatory mapole measures 6' by 12 kg, ±0.5 inHg. < 1441496108 84640 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1441496143 774933 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I currently have 1E instructions (which I don't want to dehex) < 1441496160 481811 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is that? 14? Yeah. 14. < 1441496189 979477 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 0x1E < 1441496191 668285 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 30 < 1441496198 54377 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh right < 1441496199 97675 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1441496223 235277 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :E is 14. 1E is 16+14=30 < 1441496234 775369 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm an idiot < 1441496264 394687 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :==oren < 1441496278 386546 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :please optimize your use of irc vertical space < 1441496283 406852 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is a scarce resource < 1441496297 425909 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/hppavilion1/IndeterminantVM/blob/master/setdocs.txt < 1441496305 61376 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry again xD < 1441496358 916821 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They aren't very well ordered < 1441496370 190296 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I probably should've put off the trigonometric functions until later < 1441496371 340400 :atslash!~atslash@broadband-46-188-0-82.2com.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441496418 488789 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll probably reorder them someday xD < 1441496435 371438 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dammit. I keep doing it. < 1441496525 581026 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like a comedy show at this point < 1441496624 226762 :atslash!~atslash@broadband-46-188-0-82.2com.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1441496630 873920 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1441496658 282299 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I went to see Jim Gaffigan yesterday < 1441496967 950725 :Aearnus!~Aearnus@ip98-177-203-231.ph.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441496991 467585 :Aearnus!~Aearnus@ip98-177-203-231.ph.ph.cox.net NICK :Guest58128 < 1441497676 346375 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: is your email address still ntnu twh < 1441497807 723851 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :same as always < 1441497962 407863 :Guest58128!~Aearnus@ip98-177-203-231.ph.ph.cox.net NICK :Aearnus_ < 1441498287 613931 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: boom < 1441498288 819171 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :canon < 1441499691 152640 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess i've never mentioned in this channel that i have a severe psychic hangup against receiving gifts... < 1441499810 429962 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They get telekinetically flung away from you? < 1441499825 349901 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh < 1441499832 16304 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure i can undo it now < 1441500542 382832 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just had a crazy idea < 1441500567 923884 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it possibl to output a NTSC signal out of the headphone jack of my computeR? < 1441500584 128724 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: definitely not i've got it on my PC *MWAHAHAHA* < 1441500588 227391 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION got better < 1441500677 844660 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: Not unless you have an incredible sound card. < 1441500776 259148 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what ar the frequncies needed? < 1441500825 305479 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well I assume it depends what channel < 1441500837 696494 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Suppose I ouptu on channel 1 < 1441500870 284908 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: are you familiar with the one-electron universe theory twh < 1441500887 348349 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, *postulate < 1441500934 27830 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: only at the pop-sci level hth < 1441500974 219474 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, very recyclish < 1441501019 354365 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm looks like 45-50 MHz < 1441501021 749412 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shit < 1441501033 687943 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ? < 1441501039 490699 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: are you referring to the contents of the pdf < 1441501045 558040 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ding ding < 1441501048 540531 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :audio really only goes to 20Khz < 1441501048 944667 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i read the paper version years ago < 1441501060 806791 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't have it handy < 1441501064 600743 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :nor do i have the pdf < 1441501077 643485 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you mentioned it a few days ago. or someone did. < 1441501446 776933 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: Like I said, it'd be a fucking amazing soundcard. :) < 1441501468 515026 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it makes you feel better, *baseband* NTSC only goes up to 6MHz. < 1441501505 107353 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Who's Bubbles? < 1441501518 449737 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Huh? < 1441501523 752492 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck if I know. < 1441501527 515155 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1441501544 710128 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it was someone in your new vicinity. < 1441501916 492246 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it is, but that doesn't mean I know 'em. < 1441502029 794140 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: um, also, thanks < 1441502516 301995 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1441503194 501551 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: bubbles is the blonde powerpuff girl < 1441503515 539329 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :other than that, idk anyon called bubbles < 1441503552 598958 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know anyone called JoJo? < 1441504051 929660 :Ox0dea!~Ox0dea@67-8-103-140.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which language(s) does lambdabot interpret? < 1441504222 748941 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell < 1441504270 3677 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :signed bool < 1441504385 740423 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I only know Mojo. Mojo Jojo < 1441504406 525444 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: i sense a pattern here hth < 1441504415 854541 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not know a JoJo. < 1441504441 290951 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a signed bool would only allow 0 and -1 < 1441504447 909713 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's what everyone is calling you. < 1441504493 648453 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric : Who is Josiah? pikhq@ Oh You mean JoJo < 1441504508 739518 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does LSD suck so much compared to CRT? < 1441504517 957893 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :LCD* < 1441504568 369958 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something to do with serotonin receptors? < 1441504577 449370 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CRT is way brighter than a LCD monitor of the same size < 1441504609 213561 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this CRT lights up my whole room < 1441504751 978920 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :while the LCD monitor of th same size doesn't glow enoungh to read by < 1441504910 780822 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: wait, i thought there were four powerpuff girls < 1441504916 707404 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: i must be thinking of teletubbies < 1441505062 936279 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. the three PowerPuff Girls are Bubbles (Blonde Blue Eyes, Cute) Blossom (Red Hair Pink Eyes, Leader), and Buttercup (Black Hair, Green Eyes, Tomboy) < 1441505092 412548 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know what'd be a good data type/data type keyword for an Esolang (that could actually be useful)? < 1441505094 279514 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :prime < 1441505105 416855 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :prime byte p = 5; < 1441505129 784874 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sets p to 11 (but is stored as 5) < 1441505181 392113 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You might be thinking of the 4 characters from Lucky Star, (Konata, Kagami, Tsukasa, Miyuki) < 1441505205 494149 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lucky Star is a bus that goes from NYC to Boston, right? < 1441505277 255286 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or the 4 girls from K-On (Yui, Mio, Ritsu and Tsumugi) < 1441505327 670216 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never heard of K-On. < 1441505331 843565 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that like Fung Wah? < 1441505336 248017 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT : < 1441505338 75885 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://docs.google.com/document/d/12hFi-4RGME3To2Ki_zzkO1_R7RDvpsESW_Kp0XdsZH8/edit?usp=sharing < 1441505362 540088 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh my god Anonymous Nyan Cat < 1441505378 168888 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The 4 teletubbies are TinkyWinky, Dipsy, LaLa, and Po < 1441505406 55741 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Feel free to suggest < 1441505439 165117 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1441505446 255843 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: whoapumpkin < 1441505487 539916 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi :) < 1441505557 136921 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :how's jams < 1441505565 541533 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you in VA these days? < 1441505580 337193 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty good, except for bad headache right now < 1441505581 107175 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup < 1441505597 538244 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are you up to? < 1441505612 27001 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Compared to when? < 1441505618 837006 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm in Berkeley these days. < 1441505622 738849 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :a minute ago < 1441505633 607617 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :the school or the town? < 1441505639 50163 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The town. < 1441505659 402996 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I went to the school for a few hours this past week and pretended to be a student, though. < 1441505756 463109 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What would that entail? reading and looking stressed? running around confused muttering about "which room is it in?" < 1441505777 218511 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I went to a room where a lecture was going on and sat down in a chair. < 1441505780 742730 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eating nothing but Ramen and Doritos < 1441505788 613223 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, people keep trying to hand my flyers. < 1441505790 372560 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :me < 1441505833 128471 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the easiest way to avoid that is to hand them a flyer < 1441505841 784130 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1441505868 456506 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone asked me if I was a new undergrad, and then if I was an old undergrad, and then if I was a grad, and then if I was a professor. < 1441505886 673551 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :They were very determined to give me that flyer. < 1441505907 892274 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hand them a flyer about the dangers of < 1441505910 421322 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :PHP < 1441505928 364781 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or somthing else you consider dangerous < 1441505940 400255 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe a flyer promoting Haskell < 1441505991 305490 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to print out flyers promoting Linux and hand them to flyer-people in self-defense < 1441506017 625747 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :A flyer warning people about the dangers of handing out flyers? < 1441506026 761324 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am the anonymous pop tart cat? < 1441506050 94087 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you meow upon being microwaved, then yes. < 1441506118 609321 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe I'm not? I'm not sure how to tell what the google thing thinks I am. < 1441506330 476311 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh < 1441506332 925393 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: You're not at ICFP! < 1441506337 4743 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A data type based around significant figures < 1441506356 364419 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: indeed I am not :) < 1441506923 838769 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1441507340 80902 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441507402 915327 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1441507544 928556 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1441507679 426972 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that's the thing I added. The signifigant figures one. < 1441507683 525838 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oafagpsrnuhpuspf JOIN :#esoteric < 1441507697 311316 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm wondering if surreal numbers is actually the thing I'm thinking of right now. < 1441507728 337406 :Ox0dea!~Ox0dea@67-8-103-140.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FRACTRAN for the surreals would be interesting. < 1441507791 301640 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd like to make a number type like a signed integer integer, where all 1s is used to represent both positive and negative infinity. < 1441507815 700556 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :With the idea being that the number line would thus be treated as an infinite-radius circle. < 1441507834 422867 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So a two-dimensional graph would actually be an infinite torus. < 1441507938 836292 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And on such a trous, the graph of 1/x would converge on the same point of the inside ring from either direction when approaching zero. < 1441507962 957734 :Walpurgisnacht!~ah@c-24-56-248-51.customer.broadstripe.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441507970 743839 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should rpobably make that javascript toy that I initially got me thinking about this. < 1441508005 143351 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In that probably over a year ago someone asked about how to visialize division as something other than physically dividing an object. < 1441508617 917661 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love the number circle! < 1441508744 389649 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I once concluded that 2/0 = 4/0 but not 3/0... until I realized that the same logic I used for 2/0 = 4/0 would lead to x/0 = y/0 for all x and y != 0. I think I cried because my stuff seemed useless (I was a bit of a crybaby as a kid) < 1441508774 451017 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I once concluded that 12/3 = 3 < 1441508780 885664 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was in second grade. < 1441508788 304583 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :My grandmother said it was 4, but I didn't believe her. < 1441508836 863091 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I was in elementary school when I played with this stuff. I think in 1st grade or Kintergarten I insisted to my class that 4+4=9. In 4th grade we were going to learn multiplication, and I told some other kid that a*b != b*a (I saw something about multiplication being repeated addition somewhere) < 1441508881 324287 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Each grade had a color of maths booklet. < 1441508892 770510 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the sixth grade booklet had a similar color to -- first grade? < 1441508916 156810 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I looked through that booklet, and thought it was some advanced first-grade booklet that talked about exponentiation and all sorts of things we were never told about in first grade. < 1441508969 277852 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure as a kid I tried to tell an adult that I was trying to get division by zero to work, and the response was "Isn't it just zero?" < 1441508981 186065 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I had to explain why it generally doesn't work, before explaining what I was trying to do < 1441509115 884855 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that was actually after my "Just throw this all out they're all equal to eachother" breakdown < 1441509141 519452 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't actually remember how 0/0 fit into that < 1441509155 401739 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :0/0 = 1 hth < 1441509166 491492 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and 0. and 0! < 1441509168 977666 :Walpurgisnacht!~ah@c-24-56-248-51.customer.broadstripe.net QUIT :Quit: Fuck me < 1441509179 66535 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's .? < 1441509187 212289 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some downgraded version of !? < 1441509210 467969 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let (.) = id in (5 .) < 1441509212 377221 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 5 < 1441509460 915987 :Aearnus_!~Aearnus@ip98-177-203-231.ph.ph.cox.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1441509534 386015 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :. is input one byte hth < 1441509549 692892 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAAAA < 1441509610 267339 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehy doesnt' my SHA1 work!!!!?!?!?!1/1/!/1132r/13/r! < 1441509662 921091 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I implemented SHA1 once. < 1441509667 579602 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :To do a length-extension thing. < 1441509723 705981 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://arin.ga/nX1iFx < 1441509758 651200 :Ox0dea!~Ox0dea@67-8-103-140.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: Which esolang is that? < 1441509811 272368 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn't. < 1441509821 100111 :Ox0dea!~Ox0dea@67-8-103-140.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was being facetious. < 1441509824 646428 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's Visual Basic.NET < 1441509833 805521 :Ox0dea!~Ox0dea@67-8-103-140.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there any brainfuck implementations that read characters instead of bytes? < 1441510064 576058 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FUUUUUUUUU I'm a moron it's supposed to be the length in BITS not BYTEs AAAAAAAAAA < 1441510182 844468 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I read over that part like 5 times and didn't comprehend that it was the number of bits < 1441510450 308569 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yah, now it passes the test case < 1441511320 100672 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1441511353 935193 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1441512227 272216 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Help, WarDoq!14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44048&oldid=43891 5* 03Dennis 5* (+156) 10/* Fail. */ < 1441512600 624439 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1441513002 975962 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :2/0 * 2/2 = 4/0 * (1/4)/(1/4) = 1/0 < 1441513013 258574 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :* -1/-1 = -1/0 < 1441513472 361071 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441515111 690280 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Bubblegum14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=44049 5* 03Dennis 5* (+3149) 10Created page with "'''Bubblegum''' is an [[esoteric programming language]] created by Programming Puzzles & Code Golf user Dennis. It was designed for a single purpose: to chew bubblegum in Kol..." < 1441515343 938609 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441515417 408282 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Bubblegum14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44050&oldid=44049 5* 03Dennis 5* (+6) 10/* Reference Implementation */ < 1441515530 547130 :rodgort!~rodgort@2607:5300:100:200::160d QUIT :K-Lined < 1441515618 650549 :rodgort!~rodgort@105.ip-167-114-152.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441515646 849160 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1441515652 641115 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Bubblegum14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44051&oldid=44050 5* 03Dennis 5* (+115) 10 < 1441515674 858830 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Bubblegum14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44052&oldid=44051 5* 03Dennis 5* (+0) 10/* Reference Implementation */ < 1441516012 916871 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1441516047 284248 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1441516059 182136 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDream < 1441516411 905221 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1441516553 908277 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Bubblegum14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44053&oldid=44052 5* 03Dennis 5* (-18) 10/* Reference Implementation */ < 1441516881 218789 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441516957 531106 :atslash!~atslash@5.9.107.231 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441517080 238301 :Ox0dea!~Ox0dea@67-8-103-140.res.bhn.net QUIT :Read error: No route to host < 1441517336 465330 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1441517394 906376 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf JOIN :#esoteric < 1441518053 403962 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1441518231 303264 :sc00fy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1441518800 577836 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1441519626 574196 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441519665 947727 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Bubblegum14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44054&oldid=44053 5* 03Dennis 5* (+0) 10 < 1441521361 420428 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nilpotent is interesting < 1441521595 825115 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd like to see someone invent Complex Numerology < 1441521894 212028 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1441522882 884903 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1441524177 324008 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1441524224 493363 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-23-157.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1441524266 488409 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-23-157.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1441524266 660717 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1441527610 513836 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1441529148 286279 :atslash!~atslash@5.9.107.231 QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1441529604 578460 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-64-77.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1441531040 143616 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441532055 883712 :x10A94!~x10A94@178.252.73.97 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441532469 961304 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07ShortScript14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44055&oldid=44035 5* 03YourDeathIsComing 5* (+2) 10 < 1441533606 306613 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1441533630 329891 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1441533658 399596 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are the rationals the smallest field containing the naturals? < 1441533702 679624 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1441534465 395244 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1441534576 586696 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-225-10.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1441535170 585430 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-64-77.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1441535226 896197 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-64-77.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1441537495 910735 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-64-77.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1441537601 400625 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-64-77.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1441538528 877932 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ping < 1441538529 51312 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1441538531 219069 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay < 1441538610 884794 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ding < 1441538611 63718 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1441538616 783376 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still think that should reply "dong". < 1441538648 994374 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although admittedly it would make things like @zing ambiguous. < 1441538671 38506 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If defined as a separate command, I mean. < 1441538716 554694 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@syn < 1441538716 734681 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you meant: wn src run < 1441539930 255182 :J_Arcane_!~chatzilla@37-219-72-199.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1441540035 561025 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-225-10.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1441540045 576363 :J_Arcane_!~chatzilla@37-219-72-199.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi NICK :J_Arcane < 1441541128 680818 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1441541311 397432 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1441543074 629522 :bender|!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441543088 869738 :boris_yeltsin!~boris_yel@59.189.182.29 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441543097 688739 :bender|!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 PRIVMSG #esoteric :=cccp:bf ++++++++++++++++. < 1441543098 125120 :boris_yeltsin!~boris_yel@59.189.182.29 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Output:  < 1441543106 839967 :bender|!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sup < 1441543153 574588 :bender|!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 PRIVMSG #esoteric :=cccp:bf ++++++++[>++++[>++>+++>+++>+<<<<-]>+>+>->>+[<]<-]>>.>---.+++++++..+++.>>.<-.<.+++.------.--------.>>+.>++. < 1441543153 995576 :boris_yeltsin!~boris_yel@59.189.182.29 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck you, Gorbachev. I know it's you. The USSR is over. Get it? Over. No need trying to restore the glorious CCCP again. I'm the leader and I love vodka. EFF-YOU-CEE-KAY, WHY-O-U. < 1441543154 394486 :boris_yeltsin!~boris_yel@59.189.182.29 PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1441543160 573190 :bender|!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shit < 1441543163 393591 :bender|!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fail. < 1441543196 831344 :bender|!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 PRIVMSG #esoteric :=cccp:bf ++++++++[>++++[>++>+++>+++>+<<<<-]>+>+>->>+[<]<-]>>.>---.+++++++..+++.>>.<-.<.+++.------.--------.>>+. < 1441543197 249412 :boris_yeltsin!~boris_yel@59.189.182.29 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Output: Hello World! < 1441543199 564138 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1441543218 961480 :bender|!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname, well long story < 1441543236 719414 :bender|!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a few folks at another channel discovered an exploit by making the bot print a newline < 1441543295 84508 :bender|!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 PRIVMSG #esoteric :=cccp:be "!dlroW ,olleH">:#,_@ < 1441543295 521603 :boris_yeltsin!~boris_yel@59.189.182.29 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Output: Hello, World! < 1441543324 623500 :bender|!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 PRIVMSG #esoteric :=cccp:be >v\^< < 1441543327 923840 :bender|!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(\ = newline) < 1441543335 66678 :boris_yeltsin!~boris_yel@59.189.182.29 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Drink some nice nice vodka! Just kidding, too much time has passed since execution began -- ~10 seconds. (Infinite loop?) < 1441543335 456588 :boris_yeltsin!~boris_yel@59.189.182.29 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[NORESULT] < 1441543385 826721 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :=cccp:be " < 1441543386 316479 :boris_yeltsin!~boris_yel@59.189.182.29 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Error! Unterminated string. < 1441543406 809138 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's wrong < 1441543413 8099 :bender|!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm? < 1441543431 316346 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungespace is defines as wrapping around < 1441543440 992728 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*defined < 1441543445 578275 :bender|!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1441543460 309891 :bender|!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that's an infinite loop? < 1441543471 813678 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1441543489 705994 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one that pushes empty strings on the stack < 1441544450 426461 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH JOIN :#esoteric < 1441545790 252911 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1441545948 891780 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoa, that was surprising. Started octave, expecting the usual command-line user interface, but it started a GTK lookalike of the MATLAB desktop experience. < 1441545966 353928 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess they've upgraded that GUI from experimental to on-by-default. < 1441546055 793160 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the first glance it looked very nice, but when I asked for help for a command, it printed "-- less -- (f)orward, (b)ack, (q)uitundecodable token: \001b(hex)[3m undecodable token: \001b(hex)[23m" from the help pager. < 1441546069 249210 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it doesn't like control codes. < 1441546185 875116 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~christos/papers/Bounds%20For%20Sorting%20By%20Prefix%20Reversal.pdf <- bill gates < 1441547500 741974 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1441547713 68951 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1441548038 22237 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07English14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44056&oldid=38126 5* 0395.91.247.30 5* (+92) 10link to ~English < 1441548479 745600 :bender|!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 QUIT :Quit: Ping Pong Fuckout < 1441548485 313374 :boris_yeltsin!~boris_yel@59.189.182.29 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1441548698 313131 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1441549744 670471 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441551868 613552 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: really? but I fucking HATE matlab! < 1441552051 473510 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hate hate hate. It has a shit grammar that makes no sense, and indexes its matrices one based and the wrong way around! < 1441552188 318343 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :scipy is way way better < 1441552269 795815 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it smells < 1441552394 789017 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure what oren means by "the wrong way around" < 1441552413 783065 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :transposed? < 1441552451 452885 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, 'A(2,4) % Extract the element in row 2, column 4' is exactly what I expect. < 1441552469 699127 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep that's the math way < 1441552840 941753 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A(i,j,k) should be the ith element in the jth row in the kth plane < 1441552951 97962 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Instead it is the jth element in the ith column in the kth(!!!!) plane < 1441552960 516131 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is inconsistent and stupid < 1441552975 368126 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :er s/column/row < 1441552987 737018 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no kth plane for matrices... < 1441553005 66815 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.mathworks.com/help/matlab/math/multidimensional-arrays.html < 1441553017 99967 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok so it breaks beyond 2 indices < 1441553051 277122 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but row, then column is standard in all math notation < 1441553068 862133 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the point is, if they were consistent, A(i,j,k) would have i indexing the plane, then j the row, then k the element < 1441553114 740597 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i shall defer to the dieudonne quote i saw the other day... < 1441553175 562215 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :“It is absolutely intolerable to use [the term] analytical geometry for linear algebra with coordinates, still called analytical geometry in the elementary books. Analytical geometry in this sense never existed. There are only people who do linear algebra badly, by taking coordinates and this they call analytical geometry. Out with them! Everyone knows that analytical geometry is the theory of analytical spaces, one of the deepest and most ... < 1441553181 569133 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :... difficult theories of all mathematics.” < 1441553188 533300 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(courtesy of the interminable john sidles) < 1441553246 77230 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, "Don’t use coordinates unless someone holds a pickle to your head!" -- Joseph Landsberg < 1441553614 975809 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Are the rationals the smallest field containing the naturals? <-- also, unique < 1441553653 40590 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a unique smallest field of every allowed characteristic < 1441553688 247147 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :where characteristic = smallest number of 1's you need to add to get 0, or 0 if there is no such number < 1441553697 317015 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :naturals imply 0, naturally < 1441553743 692169 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(an allowed characteristic is 0 or a prime number) < 1441554032 949484 :grotewold!~grotewold@c-68-50-42-113.hsd1.in.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441554093 175803 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (:::::)(~:S( )S(!)*~a(!)~*(:^)*(:()~)~a*^~(^)~):^! < 1441554093 340528 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :::::: < 1441554101 440634 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :umh < 1441554137 315990 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION suspect bug < 1441554140 54128 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't seen that much inconsistency about MATLAB indexing. < 1441554146 92918 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul ((a)S)(!(b)S)(^)(:::)^!^ < 1441554146 257236 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b < 1441554148 695269 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul ((a)S)(!(b)S)(^)(:)^!^ < 1441554148 859247 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b < 1441554150 602107 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul ((a)S)(!(b)S)(^)()^!^ < 1441554150 766212 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b < 1441554153 328195 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul ((a)S)(!(b)S)(^)(!)^!^ < 1441554153 493772 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :a < 1441554159 277544 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, that works at least < 1441554192 682125 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION detects his table method < 1441554220 558795 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, as long as you consider them as just dimensions 1, 2, 3, .... < 1441554262 713621 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (:::)()a~(^(*)*)~^^S( )S < 1441554262 916691 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :**** < 1441554267 17567 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (!)()a~(^(*)*)~^^S( )S < 1441554267 181916 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1441554284 929164 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (:::)(!)*()a~(^(*)*)~^^S( )S < 1441554285 111638 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*** < 1441554349 211126 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (S)(N) ~a(!)~*(:^)*(:()~)~a*^~(^)~ (~S( )S:^):^ < 1441554349 377856 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : ...bad insn! < 1441554370 39222 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (S)(N) ~a(!)~*(:^)*(:()~)~a*^~(^)~ aSaSaSaSaS < 1441554370 223093 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : ...bad insn! < 1441554375 109721 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (S)(N) ~a(!)~*(:^)*(:()~)~a*^~(^)~ aSaSaSaS < 1441554375 286239 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : ...bad insn! < 1441554378 977921 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1441554383 858403 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (S)(N) ~a(!)~*(:^)*(:()~)~a*^~(^)~ < 1441554383 858475 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : ...bad insn! < 1441554387 259201 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: you cannot use spaces in the program < 1441554388 547816 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't put spaces in there. < 1441554390 330814 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh < 1441554397 807062 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (S)(N)~a(!)~*(:^)*(:()~)~a*^~(^)~aSaSaSaS < 1441554397 979630 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(N)(^)(!(S):^)() < 1441554404 982375 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (S)(N)~a(!)~*(:^)*(:()~)~a*^~(^)~aSaSaSaSaS < 1441554405 160828 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(N)(^)(!(S):^)()(N) < 1441554446 579181 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (:::)(~()a~(^(*)*)~^^S( )S(!)*~a(!)~*(:^)*(:()~)~a*^~(^)~^!^):^! < 1441554446 747320 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :**** ...out of stack! < 1441554492 775573 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: Discounting your prejudices about row-major matrices, Octave does fix some of the worst MATLAB grammar weirdnesses. Like, you can subscript return values from functions and so on. < 1441554518 79964 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course it also inherits many bad things in the name of cross-compatibility. < 1441554543 379376 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (:::)((a)S)(!((a)S):^)(^)(:::)^(~aS:^):^ < 1441554543 563725 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(^)(^)(^)(^)(!((a)S):^)((a)S)(:::) ...out of stack! < 1441554550 613882 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (:::)((a)S)(!((a)S):^)(^)(:::)^!^(~aS:^):^ < 1441554550 778633 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :a((a)S)(:::) ...out of stack! < 1441554567 462870 :x10A94!~x10A94@178.252.73.97 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1441554583 774381 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (:::)((,)S)(!((,)S):^)(^)(:::)^!^(~aS:^):^ < 1441554583 938969 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :,((,)S)(:::) ...out of stack! < 1441554615 519414 :x10A94!~x10A94@178.252.73.97 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441554864 716819 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, derp, missed a : there < 1441554888 600214 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (:::)(~:()a~(^(*)*)~^^S( )S(!)*~a(!)~*(:^)*(:()~)~a*^~(^)~):^! < 1441554888 764191 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :**** < 1441554897 5361 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :...or not < 1441555034 990006 :grotewold!~grotewold@c-68-50-42-113.hsd1.in.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1441555052 934816 :grotewold!~grotewold@c-68-50-42-113.hsd1.in.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441555219 813868 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (:::)(~:()a~(^(*)*)~^^S( )S(!)*~a(!)~*(:^)*(:()~)~a*^~(^)~^^):^! < 1441555220 34972 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :**** *** ** * < 1441555234 209091 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (::::::)(~:()a~(^(*)*)~^^S( )S(!)*~a(!)~*(:^)*(:()~)~a*^~(^)~^^):^! < 1441555234 375026 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :******* ****** ***** **** *** ** * < 1441555235 929302 :darkl0ck!~v1rtuehea@TOROON2634W-LP140-02-2925477401.dsl.bell.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1441555242 646991 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :that took far too long to build < 1441555797 215186 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Later < 1441555848 281686 :x1365C!~x10A94@178.252.73.97 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441555851 839439 :darkl0ck!~v1rtuehea@TOROON2634W-LP140-02-2925477401.dsl.bell.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1441555908 888209 :darkl0ck!~v1rtuehea@TOROON2634W-LP140-02-2925477401.dsl.bell.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1441555999 312045 :x10A94!~x10A94@178.252.73.97 QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1441556010 285916 :x1365C!~x10A94@178.252.73.97 NICK :x10A94 < 1441556142 364241 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Sinatra 5* 10New user account < 1441556868 476364 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Does Octave allow me to have more than one function in a file? < 1441557055 291254 :sc00fy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1441557085 891407 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: I'm not sure about more than one publicly accessible function, because it makes the automatic function-to-file mapping paradigm confused. < 1441557109 989231 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Both Octave and MATLAB let you have multiple functions that are called by the main one, of course. < 1441557194 426306 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Octave lets you define functions in a "script", as in, a non-function. < 1441557204 503546 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, apparently Octave allows me to define a bunch of functions in a script file and then use them in the commands < 1441557206 89477 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which you could then source into a session. < 1441557208 835749 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1441557227 863689 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that fixed one of the shit things of matlab < 1441557263 681775 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can also define functions on the interactive command line, which means you don't have to attempt to mangle everything into a single lambda. < 1441557706 155447 :grotewold!~grotewold@c-68-50-42-113.hsd1.in.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1441557844 295360 :grotewold!~grotewold@c-68-50-42-113.hsd1.in.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441557929 302419 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1441558097 987320 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Virgo14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=44057 5* 03Sinatra 5* (+446) 10Created page with "It's the linear programming language that uses just words and numbers! :Hello world: push h push e push l push l push o push _32 push w push o push r push l push d allo..." < 1441558164 514421 :grotewold!~grotewold@c-68-50-42-113.hsd1.in.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1441558179 819440 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44058&oldid=44004 5* 03Sinatra 5* (+12) 10/* V */ < 1441558183 298415 :grotewold!~grotewold@c-68-50-42-113.hsd1.in.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441558337 550480 :grotewold!~grotewold@c-68-50-42-113.hsd1.in.comcast.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1441558628 195925 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Virgo14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44059&oldid=44057 5* 03Sinatra 5* (+111) 10 < 1441558715 379415 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1441559053 929043 :grotewold!~grotewold@c-68-50-42-113.hsd1.in.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441559188 634364 :grotewold!~grotewold@c-68-50-42-113.hsd1.in.comcast.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1441559262 898857 :grotewold!~grotewold@c-68-50-42-113.hsd1.in.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441559527 457675 :grotewold!~grotewold@c-68-50-42-113.hsd1.in.comcast.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1441559895 438438 :grotewold!~grotewold@c-68-50-42-113.hsd1.in.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441560014 199041 :grotewold!~grotewold@c-68-50-42-113.hsd1.in.comcast.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1441560114 463029 :grotewold!~grotewold@c-68-50-42-113.hsd1.in.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441560311 93959 :grotewold!~grotewold@c-68-50-42-113.hsd1.in.comcast.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1441560588 295444 :grotewold!~grotewold@c-68-50-42-113.hsd1.in.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441560703 644070 :grotewold!~grotewold@c-68-50-42-113.hsd1.in.comcast.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1441560959 613632 :Virgolang!5e7bc1dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.193.221 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441561016 435120 :Virgolang!5e7bc1dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.193.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :checkout http://esolangs.org/wiki/Virgo < 1441561050 696875 :Virgolang!5e7bc1dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.193.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION slaps gde33 around a bit with a large fishbot < 1441561172 707760 :Virgolang!5e7bc1dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.193.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why nobody speaking? < 1441561202 785943 :Virgolang!5e7bc1dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.193.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION slaps |f`-`|f around a bit with a large fishbot < 1441561205 478222 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, at least two people are. < 1441561260 825438 :Virgolang!5e7bc1dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.193.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am the maker of virgo linear esoteric language < 1441561304 269309 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay. < 1441561368 943855 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does this have to do with linear programming? < 1441561378 138644 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Virgo14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44060&oldid=44059 5* 03Sinatra 5* (+46) 10 < 1441561395 118690 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Virgolang: can i have your autograph? < 1441561404 926438 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linear_programming < 1441561406 214119 :Virgolang!5e7bc1dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.193.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what it is < 1441561453 88439 :Virgolang!5e7bc1dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.193.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am using linear as line-by-line < 1441561478 426123 :Virgolang!5e7bc1dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.193.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is autograph < 1441561515 405581 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Virgo14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44061&oldid=44060 5* 03Sinatra 5* (+15) 10 < 1441561544 501719 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the case of programming languages, linear seems to have a different meaning. And an autograph is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autograph < 1441561574 603639 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :“Autograph refers to a famous person's artistic signature.” < 1441561593 92025 :Virgolang!5e7bc1dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.193.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't have autograph < 1441561616 72406 :Virgolang!5e7bc1dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.193.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :since trying to do with mouse in paint just waste of time < 1441561671 620842 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Virgo14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44062&oldid=44061 5* 03Sinatra 5* (+45) 10 < 1441561869 699776 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Virgo14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44063&oldid=44062 5* 03Sinatra 5* (+160) 10 < 1441561971 972082 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you do linear programming in a line by line fashion? < 1441562043 800226 :Virgolang!5e7bc1dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.193.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i meant linear as line by line < 1441562715 240628 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (~:()a~(^(*)*)~^^S( )S(!)*~a(!)~*(:^)*(:()~)~a*^~(^)~^!^):^! < 1441562715 444569 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : ...out of stack! < 1441562747 971389 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (~:()a~(^(*)*)~^^S( )S(!)*~a(!)~*(:^)*(:()~)~a*^~(^)~^^):^! < 1441562748 135925 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : ...out of stack! < 1441562756 702115 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (::)(~:()a~(^(*)*)~^^S( )S(!)*~a(!)~*(:^)*(:()~)~a*^~(^)~^!^):^! < 1441562756 867867 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*** ** * < 1441562880 543134 :Virgolang!5e7bc1dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.193.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is that?! omg... < 1441562903 340991 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a program in underload I've spent far too much time working on < 1441562956 963256 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :you feed it a number as in http://esolangs.org/wiki/Underload#Numbers ← there, and it outputs a series of stars, starting from the number and counting down < 1441563016 846743 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :...err, except not, it seems < 1441563053 199910 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of those, I use one where (!) = 0, () = 1, (:) = 2, (::) = 3, ... < 1441563299 128268 :grotewold!~grotewold@c-68-50-42-113.hsd1.in.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441563509 762742 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Virgo14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44064&oldid=44063 5* 03Sinatra 5* (+1082) 10 < 1441563912 574690 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a series of stars? < 1441564148 141824 :atslash!~atslash@broadband-46-188-0-82.2com.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441564355 669741 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1441564406 69325 :atslash!~atslash@broadband-46-188-0-82.2com.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1441564416 298817 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1441564855 278666 :grotewold!~grotewold@c-68-50-42-113.hsd1.in.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com < 1441564905 757926 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry unicode, I don't know what a "symbol for samaritan source" looks like < 1441565053 296237 :darkl0ck!~v1rtuehea@TOROON2634W-LP140-02-2925477401.dsl.bell.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1441565085 856754 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1441565356 729177 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know what it looks like but i don't know what it means < 1441565462 977005 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1441565593 403616 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oafagpsrnuhpuspf QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1441565779 702027 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also. Why do they call ㌁ a square ARUHUA? It's a square ARUFA, can'te these people READ?!?!? < 1441565800 420990 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1441565849 579513 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-092-072-163-170.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Quit: Terminated < 1441565862 273333 :darkl0ck!~v1rtuehea@TOROON2634W-LP140-02-2925477401.dsl.bell.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1441565874 968342 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-092-072-163-170.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1441565913 139910 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-163-170.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: Because they’re not using your preferred romanization. < 1441565922 433344 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :アルファ= ARUFA. アルフア= ARUHUA < 1441565947 572532 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-163-170.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode フ < 1441565959 97990 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+30D5 KATAKANA LETTER HU] < 1441565962 37616 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If they were using the romaji they seem to be using, it would be ARUHUXA < 1441566012 147194 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's probably just to irritate you personally oren < 1441566044 910749 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ァ and ア are different! < 1441566065 734344 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hello oren < 1441566074 14779 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi b_jonas < 1441566082 372969 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: in the fontdemo page, what do the green characters mean? < 1441566091 372321 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're the newest ones < 1441566094 941855 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1441566109 237573 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not like the unicode consortium has never made a mistake before :P < 1441566119 378831 :darkl0ck_!~v1rtuehea@TOROON2634W-LP140-02-2925477401.dsl.bell.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1441566133 261260 :darkl0ck!~v1rtuehea@TOROON2634W-LP140-02-2925477401.dsl.bell.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1441566256 421408 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :speaking of which, I should update the font < 1441566274 32182 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a newer version on my terminal right now. < 1441566324 522557 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, do update it < 1441566413 756495 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it adds only a few new characters < 1441566425 938887 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but does it improve some existing ones? < 1441566433 622701 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not only new characters that matter < 1441566485 110548 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does solve a bug I noticed that ≈≉ are switched < 1441566499 72921 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2680-2685 213e 213f 1d00-1d2b are added < 1441566536 322607 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it add hangul jamo? < 1441566539 276944 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1441566579 636501 :Virgolang!5e7bc1dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.193.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not there awhile < 1441566585 883897 :Virgolang!5e7bc1dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.193.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1441566594 627460 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1441566608 437485 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should probably do that though < 1441566622 282203 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, why? < 1441566668 196855 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :To boost my character count and thus my ranking on the "most characters" list? < 1441566674 170114 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah! < 1441566677 78432 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :currently at 13th < 1441566743 863243 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: add the rest of Coptic script? < 1441566779 476101 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also a good idea! < 1441566782 175125 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or subscript and superscript latin letters, that's easy because if you do one, you can translate it to the other < 1441566824 668665 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait < 1441566832 239120 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :those don't exist as characters in unicode < 1441566839 943341 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some do < 1441566844 639736 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not all < 1441566856 441592 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, the ones used for phonetic transcription exist, < 1441566865 706745 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the superscript n exists for cp437 < 1441566902 189620 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-163-170.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: So, my best guess is that Unicode uses ISO 3602, but the wikipedia article doesn’t mention what happens to small kana in combinations like that. < 1441566916 264245 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: more usefully, you could add the Greek letters with diacritics. < 1441566922 632763 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many of those are there? < 1441566929 184527 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-163-170.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :A ridiculous number. < 1441566952 513957 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: Probably just doesn't specify. < 1441566963 597958 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such combinations are fairly new in Japanese. < 1441566972 118314 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-163-170.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :All for scholarly Ancient Greek. < 1441566985 166531 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-163-170.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :The ancient Greeks themselves didn’t use them. < 1441566994 283593 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: exactly < 1441567007 974890 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"most characters" list? < 1441567099 736733 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: or perhaps you could add fullwidth Katakana, and other doublewidth characters < 1441567104 550594 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-163-170.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :And modern Greek has flattened out nearly all of the distinctions those marked (and many more besides). < 1441567125 429214 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Virgo14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44065&oldid=44064 5* 03Sinatra 5* (+281) 10 < 1441567181 959280 :Virgolang!5e7bc1dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.193.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is Virgo? (programming language, not Zodiac sign one) < 1441567452 134946 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: um, it looks as if you've pushed the demo but not the font file < 1441567474 536807 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: or an old version of the font file < 1441567475 549475 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll tell you when I've fixed it < 1441567481 900693 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok thanks < 1441567748 964766 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the font is up now I have to edit the demo < 1441567893 537881 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the words of some angry guy on tv: FUCKIT, WE"LL DO IT LIVE! < 1441568062 178608 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that oughta do it < 1441568100 986035 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I should prbably remove green from some of the ones that aren't that new < 1441568129 456606 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :make a rainbow version of the whole thing < 1441568141 293532 :Virgolang!5e7bc1dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.193.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are there some Virgo's? < 1441568153 857624 :Virgolang!5e7bc1dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.193.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tomorrow is my birthday < 1441568241 24212 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 upload10 02 5* 03Timwi 5* 10uploaded "[[02File:Ziim — Add.png10]]": Addition function for binary numbers in [[Ziim]]. < 1441568312 506910 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh yeah I also added Hebrew vowels but I can't figure out how to show them on their own < 1441568404 381422 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Ziim14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44067&oldid=44045 5* 03Timwi 5* (+4333) 10Addition! < 1441568478 122524 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Ziim14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44068&oldid=44067 5* 03Timwi 5* (+36) 10Code too large :) < 1441568537 292899 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm.. the university sent me a check for 400 dollars, with basically no explanantion < 1441568561 311481 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is apparenty an "award payment" whatever that mean < 1441568614 150937 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: hehe, you have the black chess figures but not the white ones < 1441568616 53201 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441568617 681193 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Test < 1441568662 389388 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I tried to draw them. GOD knows I tried. < 1441568698 318023 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1441568726 931432 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll try again at some point maybe make the white ones a simpler style somehow < 1441568769 456710 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Virgo14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44069&oldid=44065 5* 03Sinatra 5* (+481) 10Grouping the instructions and functions. < 1441568775 673349 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: Test Acknoleged < 1441568791 572584 :Virgolang!5e7bc1dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.193.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION slaps villasukka around a bit with a large fishbot < 1441568798 279586 :Virgolang!5e7bc1dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.193.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1441568848 739753 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :excellent slapfish performance < 1441568875 686759 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :with this herring < 1441568883 160031 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway colors should not be in Unicode. < 1441568885 446026 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no sorry, ignore that < 1441568941 674568 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am aware of the monty python reference which you are dereferencing < 1441568948 15512 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: must've been a red one. < 1441569349 581395 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bleeh. Sent a dissertation draft that *may* be the version that goes to preliminary examination. I might be like ais523 one day. (Okay, not really; it's not mathy at all.) < 1441569398 617917 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Virgo14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44070&oldid=44069 5* 03Sinatra 5* (+475) 10Documented the type selector. < 1441569531 717595 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`thanks phd < 1441569532 492821 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, phd. Thd. < 1441569580 496030 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. Finally, an approach to setting terminal titles in a shell that I don't horribly dislike... < 1441569588 65165 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Screw the whole "check $TERM" nonsense. < 1441569603 931589 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Run a small program that detects if the escape codes for it actually work. < 1441569629 473342 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :(basically, attempt to set the title, and check if that moved the cursor) < 1441569649 899691 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I think that "should" (in the in-a-perfect-world sense) produce "Thud". < 1441569651 744179 :kilo!htr@CPEc0c1c02bac60-CM00195eefb6a8.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1441569659 797596 :kilo!htr@CPEc0c1c02bac60-CM00195eefb6a8.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com NICK :Guest61271 < 1441569712 126516 :Guest61271!htr@CPEc0c1c02bac60-CM00195eefb6a8.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PART :#esoteric < 1441570266 365229 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, I though I fixed this?!!? < 1441570312 282156 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ª°¹º are all off-style for my font < 1441570346 387336 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I dreamed fixing it and did'nt do it in real life < 1441570366 376645 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that has happened for coursework before < 1441570436 127806 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ziim looks awesome < 1441570589 720919 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :My font isn't Ziim compatible: it has ↑↗→↘↓↙←↖↕↔ but not ⤢⤡ < 1441570627 206025 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh < 1441570636 953178 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My computer didn't show the two that weren't compatible < 1441570638 239954 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1441570718 779512 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ⤢⤡ < 1441570719 489810 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+0020 SPACE] [U+2922 NORTH EAST AND SOUTH WEST ARROW] [U+2921 NORTH WEST AND SOUTH EAST ARROW] < 1441570857 918020 :aretecode!~aretecode@209.58.130.130 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441570894 202481 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :K, added. < 1441570906 600468 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the next version will have those < 1441570980 315982 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: what's "Ziim"? < 1441570995 760431 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://esolangs.org/wiki/Ziim < 1441571014 993007 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(to be fair, I googled that a couple of minutes ago) < 1441571157 199047 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've also drawn the rest of the coptic characters in "greek and coptic" block < 1441571189 524155 :Virgolang!5e7bc1dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.193.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Virgo < 1441571307 523944 :Virgolang!5e7bc1dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.193.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ↘←↙ ↓ →↖ ↑ ↕→↖⤢← → ↙⤡→ ↖ ↙⤡ ← ↕← ↗→ ↖ → ↖↑ → ↖ ↖ < 1441571350 585611 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually ↑↗→↘↓↙←↖ looks like a nice set of digits for base 8 < 1441571358 835124 :Virgolang!5e7bc1dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.193.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ↓ ↘ ←↘ ↙ ← ↓ ⤢ ↕ ↗↖→ ↖ ↖ ←↓↓ ↓↓ → ↙↑ ↗ ← ↖⤡↘↙ ↗ < 1441571360 14425 :Virgolang!5e7bc1dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.193.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nightmare < 1441571387 807299 :Virgolang!5e7bc1dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.193.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although my esolang is not so esoteric < 1441571388 642024 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, brilliant language < 1441571396 393290 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ziim, that is < 1441571456 935896 :Virgolang!5e7bc1dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.193.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my esolang (virgo) is not so esoteric but, it is hellish as Assembly! < 1441571476 39068 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well < 1441571501 450429 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I fucked up making my instruction set the first time round xD < 1441571531 684348 :Virgolang!5e7bc1dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.193.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is esolang virgo? < 1441571535 479099 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should've grouped the float operations after the base2 operations < 1441571569 630674 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :wth is a "2nd tier instruction" < 1441571582 848653 :Virgolang!5e7bc1dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.193.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Esolangs is awesome < 1441571585 480771 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not hellish, it's underspecified. < 1441571607 730853 :Virgolang!5e7bc1dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.193.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2nd tier instructions = functions that only can be used with call instruction < 1441571635 510925 :Virgolang!5e7bc1dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.193.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is Esoteric IDE?? < 1441571660 896853 :Virgolang!5e7bc1dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.193.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :virgo is nightmare for the c++ developers! < 1441571709 476007 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :c++ is, too < 1441571718 919523 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it feels like a virtual machine bytecode. < 1441571740 933106 :Virgolang!5e7bc1dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.193.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like java < 1441571764 114400 :Virgolang!5e7bc1dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.193.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :javapocalypse? < 1441571890 574879 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw2-54f80e-20.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1441571964 920249 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw2-54f80e-20.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1441572052 732069 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Virgo14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44071&oldid=44070 5* 03Sinatra 5* (+213) 10Clarification < 1441572103 487768 :Virgolang!5e7bc1dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.193.221 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1441572131 587136 :Virgolang!5e7bc1dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.193.221 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441572143 602106 :Virgolang!5e7bc1dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.193.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got back < 1441572256 282184 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are inaccurate commit messages sufficient reason for rejecting a pull request? < 1441572280 995204 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I also have functionality-related reasons for rejecting this request, but wondering if I should mention the commit messages) < 1441572295 734665 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Virgo14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44072&oldid=44071 5* 03Sinatra 5* (+61) 10 < 1441572298 837156 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like this one called "Added title" which does everything but https://github.com/Samcfuchs/sgeo.github.io/commit/f6eaf2b2548d3dd8b85ddec50ccdf9a1f025a463 < 1441572318 48101 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1441572350 71070 :Virgolang!5e7bc1dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.193.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats funny < 1441572360 989711 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: I wouldn't be upset about a pull request being rejected because of bad commit messages < 1441572374 10617 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1441572400 618377 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I would be upset about not writing better commit messages, perhaps) < 1441572402 623618 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remade the instruction set with arithmetical and (hyperbolic) trigonometric operations. Also, conversions between double-precision floating point and 64-bit integer. And registry operations (SET, MOV). What to add next? Should I go with branching? Or IO? Or is there something else important I'm missing? < 1441572411 814470 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would they be able to fix those commit messages somehow? Some of this stuff does look good and add needed functionality < 1441572418 737447 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm also making an effort to conserve vertical space. < 1441572450 683095 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :git rebase -i allows one to 'edit' commit, which includes changing their description < 1441572455 586135 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1441572489 479444 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I have the file set up so that I need not reorder it < 1441572490 799486 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the result will be new commits, but rebase always does that anyway) < 1441572493 140899 :Virgolang!5e7bc1dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.193.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what should i add to virgo ? http://esolangs.org/wiki/Virgo < 1441572572 642212 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :a way to make calls conditional < 1441572583 138137 :Virgolang!5e7bc1dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.193.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed! < 1441572603 322577 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :IO < 1441572605 334049 :Virgolang!5e7bc1dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.193.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i will also add stdin/stdout! < 1441572614 458149 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't forget STDERR < 1441572618 399531 :Virgolang!5e7bc1dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.193.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1441572620 806283 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :that might be enough to make it TC, if the callable functions include setjmp and longjmp... < 1441572723 308384 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Virgolang: While you're adding IO, you might want to check out http://esolangs.org/wiki/Stream < 1441572735 602568 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Not a language) < 1441572814 792313 :x10A94!~x10A94@178.252.73.97 QUIT :Quit: I'm outta here < 1441572983 217624 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, is there an IOCCC entry that *only* uses setjmp and longjmp for control flow? http://www.ioccc.org/2004/burley.c looks good at first glance but actually uses ?:, && and || as well. < 1441573015 215197 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I uploaded it < 1441573157 508175 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if you use the GNU extention to get the adress of a label and then just apply pointer arithmetic to it? < 1441573214 197646 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or are you only allowed to submit things that are standerds complient < 1441573215 817606 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I have code suggestions, do I just make those tweaks myself, or allow the pusher to do so? < 1441573379 971479 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: I guess I'd prefer standard-compliant programs. so no poking inside jmp_buf, at which point the address of the label won't do you much good anymore, I think. < 1441573410 649170 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what kind of letter is Ѹ? < 1441573441 283920 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is "Uk" a good name for a letter that looks like Oy? < 1441573450 499927 :mihow!~mihow@c-76-27-244-171.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441573520 495048 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1441573545 275635 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1441573615 282037 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uk_%28Cyrillic%29 < 1441573720 47960 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's an oo sound; the k is just a part of the letter's name. < 1441573832 812096 :MDream!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ought to go do other stuff now, but I should also remember to work on codesine a bit again tonight. < 1441573838 358912 :MDream!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDude < 1441573878 485872 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :After thinking a bit I remembered that something I wanted out of that diea was to have it programmed mostly through an interactive session with a program. < 1441573909 302294 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So isntead of laying out everything in advance you just tweak functions here and there by adding wave systems together. < 1441573912 334995 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1441574315 852315 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How shall I implement Control Flow in my ISA? < 1441574322 366023 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obviously some form of JMP < 1441574346 530889 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I could in theory implement something as high-level as a while loop < 1441574362 905237 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I think I'll stick to Branching and Conditional Branching < 1441574422 510735 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How should branching work? < 1441574435 632083 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I do labels or register location jumping? < 1441574448 888799 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or I could include more than one and shit I'm using up a bunch of space < 1441574603 957005 :Virgolang!5e7bc1dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.193.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty hard to implement if! < 1441574623 298063 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh? < 1441574640 69990 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Virgo or in my ISA? < 1441574714 704574 :Virgolang!5e7bc1dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.193.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in virgo < 1441574720 826966 :Virgolang!5e7bc1dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.193.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty hellish < 1441574726 496462 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1441574749 311654 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in it's hard to conditionally branch, or you're having a hard time implementing it yourself? < 1441574764 826215 :Virgolang!5e7bc1dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.193.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :implementing it < 1441574771 842362 :mihow!~mihow@c-76-27-244-171.hsd1.or.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1441574811 585859 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1441574816 900245 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see why it'd be too hard < 1441574822 549982 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've done it before in WalScript < 1441574884 849951 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My Naive approach: You just have a finder that increments on an if start and decrements on and end. When it reaches zero, record that location. Then, evaluate the if statement and move the pointer to there if it shouldn't execute < 1441574928 212760 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-64-77.access.telenet.be QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1441574942 804253 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know what I might do? Implement a virgo assembler for IndeterminantVM < 1441574997 741 :Virgolang!5e7bc1dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.193.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks < 1441574998 941535 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :One step down from a compiler :) < 1441575014 622142 :Virgolang!5e7bc1dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.193.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :virgo is assembly like < 1441575017 533266 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't even finished IndeterminantVM's instruction set design yet though xD < 1441575018 611586 :Virgolang!5e7bc1dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.193.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1441575020 126644 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I noticed < 1441575025 687238 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't actually know assembly xD < 1441575041 228657 :Virgolang!5e7bc1dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.193.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know some. < 1441575071 881778 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you should make a C-like language called Local Group that compiles to virgo xD < 1441575076 976248 :Virgolang!5e7bc1dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.193.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i chosen to make virgo assembly-like because it is too fast < 1441575084 868867 :Virgolang!5e7bc1dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.193.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yess < 1441575089 195970 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or Horoscope < 1441575090 598069 :Virgolang!5e7bc1dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.193.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think capricorn++ < 1441575093 80822 :Virgolang!5e7bc1dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.193.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yess < 1441575096 953597 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That works too < 1441575114 673232 :Virgolang!5e7bc1dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.193.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my older sister's constellation is capricorn < 1441575118 940397 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1441575123 439967 :Virgolang!5e7bc1dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.193.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would tick she off < 1441575131 706558 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@capricorn perhaps? < 1441575131 876286 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1441575135 569888 :Virgolang!5e7bc1dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.193.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yess < 1441575137 11550 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoops xD < 1441575163 67461 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You get to design a language, I get the prestige of having made a compiler < 1441575164 831752 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay! < 1441575173 810951 :Virgolang!5e7bc1dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.193.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay also! < 1441575184 65173 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What language are you implementing the current interpreter in? < 1441575194 221122 :Virgolang!5e7bc1dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.193.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :c(apricorn)++ < 1441575199 145045 :Virgolang!5e7bc1dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.193.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :c++ < 1441575208 433445 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kewl < 1441575213 585540 :Virgolang!5e7bc1dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.193.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is gonna be hellish :8 < 1441575223 141592 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Definitely faster than python xD < 1441575231 464170 :Virgolang!5e7bc1dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.193.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and native! < 1441575233 384227 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-64-77.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1441575234 969678 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah! < 1441575253 160061 :Virgolang!5e7bc1dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.193.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not to mention java < 1441575261 284446 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That too < 1441575266 993666 :Virgolang!5e7bc1dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.193.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is pretty heavyweight < 1441575274 12733 :Virgolang!5e7bc1dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.193.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and complicated < 1441575280 22688 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Java is? < 1441575284 957445 :Virgolang!5e7bc1dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.193.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1441575297 124603 :Virgolang!5e7bc1dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.193.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i heard java sucks < 1441575301 731811 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like it < 1441575306 150411 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No operator overloading :( < 1441575311 722898 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-64-77.access.telenet.be QUIT :Client Quit < 1441575314 599113 :Virgolang!5e7bc1dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.193.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes ;( < 1441575315 572430 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I like the JVM < 1441575342 231496 :Virgolang!5e7bc1dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.193.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it executes the file byte by byte < 1441575349 351908 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow < 1441575360 933670 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's probably what my VM will do xD < 1441575412 537899 :Virgolang!5e7bc1dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.193.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you write capricorn++, it compiles to virgo, it runs on TVM (Taurus VM)... < 1441575418 734539 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not bytes though. Each instruction is two bytes, followed by a one-byte length argument, then that many 8-byte arguments (for the long registers) < 1441575430 230515 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I call IndeterminantVM TaurusVM? < 1441575439 445801 :Virgolang!5e7bc1dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.193.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1441575440 290618 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not esoteric, so... < 1441575444 262106 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, not THAT esoteric < 1441575446 657888 :Virgolang!5e7bc1dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.193.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you like it < 1441575459 126406 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It sounds cooll < 1441575463 805356 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/ll/l/ < 1441575476 202225 :Virgolang!5e7bc1dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.193.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am a virgo < 1441575493 181489 :Virgolang!5e7bc1dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.193.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i named my esolang virgo < 1441575504 302787 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guessed < 1441575514 840751 :Virgolang!5e7bc1dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.193.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what is your sig < 1441575516 26110 :Virgolang!5e7bc1dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.193.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :n < 1441575529 74817 :Virgolang!5e7bc1dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.193.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry for mistake < 1441575542 914973 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Saggitaurus, I believe. Though I don't really care about that stuff xD < 1441575563 50100 :Virgolang!5e7bc1dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.193.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my older sister's ascendant. < 1441575565 667902 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1441575572 330961 :Virgolang!5e7bc1dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.193.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are awesome < 1441575580 490393 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :TaurusVM < 1441575593 825605 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps we should make something called Andromeda, as that's a REALLY cool name < 1441575606 918625 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps Andromeda can be the program for assembling/compiling? < 1441575612 355612 :Virgolang!5e7bc1dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.193.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1441575689 352634 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Polaris < 1441575691 871436 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that a language? < 1441575699 953120 :Virgolang!5e7bc1dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.193.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know < 1441575712 830348 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that all languages made should have a tiny bit of esotericism mixed in with them < 1441575718 221591 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Polaris Structure, perhaps? < 1441575719 99938 :Virgolang!5e7bc1dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.193.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1441575730 661535 :Virgolang!5e7bc1dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.193.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1441575746 686416 :Virgolang!5e7bc1dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.193.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i stuck at explanation :( < 1441575751 909966 :Virgolang!5e7bc1dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.193.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :still editing < 1441575752 100571 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For what? < 1441575756 306267 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can write some for you < 1441575772 393750 :Virgolang!5e7bc1dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.193.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :conditional stdin example < 1441575777 245143 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Virgo14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44073&oldid=44072 5* 03Sinatra 5* (+1633) 10 < 1441575778 369736 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you trying to make Virgo Hellish? < 1441575785 550566 :Virgolang!5e7bc1dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.193.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1441575802 11481 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's just how it's coming out?? < 1441575807 2278 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1441575817 224122 :Virgolang!5e7bc1dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.193.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am trying to make virgo virgolike < 1441575818 972478 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Virgo will be one assembly language to Taurus < 1441575824 150011 :Virgolang!5e7bc1dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.193.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1441575829 513197 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's virgo again in the astrological thing? < 1441575837 416535 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And there will be others for other purposes < 1441575849 838559 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1441575850 971728 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And which one you choose depends on which you find easist < 1441575884 599678 :Virgolang!5e7bc1dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.193.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1441575888 757067 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know < 1441575895 176685 :Virgolang!5e7bc1dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.193.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1441575911 632275 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could make the "Push" instruction for the language push each of its arguments in order, as opposed to having to do push a push b push c < 1441575919 570853 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That'd be MUCH easier < 1441575935 230728 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Assembly is allowed to have shortcuts like this xD < 1441575977 149693 :Virgolang!5e7bc1dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.193.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are your esolang < 1441575982 738129 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion1 < 1441575988 717235 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should we found the Zodiac Working Group? < 1441575997 182326 :darkl0ck_!~v1rtuehea@TOROON2634W-LP140-02-2925477401.dsl.bell.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1441576007 363788 :darkl0ck!~v1rtuehea@TOROON2634W-LP140-02-2925477401.dsl.bell.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1441576009 792419 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For development of Taurus and related programs and languages? < 1441576038 127180 :Virgolang!5e7bc1dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.193.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1441576041 936249 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1441576047 914142 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm creating an IRC channel for it < 1441576053 478344 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :#zodiac appears to be open < 1441576067 806647 :Virgolang!5e7bc1dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.193.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can i get into it < 1441576069 886147 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's do further discussion there < 1441576075 814301 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :./join #zodiac < 1441576081 59444 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What client are you using? < 1441576089 810793 :Virgolang!5e7bc1dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.193.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=esoteric&uio=d4 < 1441576094 960859 :Virgolang!5e7bc1dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.193.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this client < 1441576096 466458 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1441576099 933152 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Webchat < 1441576103 418397 :Virgolang!5e7bc1dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.193.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1441576110 93987 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like webchat, but it isn't very advanced xD < 1441576122 5646 :Virgolang!5e7bc1dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.193.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I try joining < 1441576123 750289 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I may recommend a client, I would point you towards HexChat, a FOSS < 1441576145 365789 :Virgolang!5e7bc1dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.193.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :./join #zodiac < 1441576153 245104 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Take off the period xD < 1441576307 25722 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Zodiac Working Group14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=44074 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+149) 10Created Page < 1441576344 8773 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Zodiac Working Group14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44075&oldid=44074 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+40) 10Became More Honest < 1441576488 46405 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Hppavilion114]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44076&oldid=43321 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+60) 10ZWG < 1441576522 272224 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Virgo14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44077&oldid=44073 5* 03Sinatra 5* (+181) 10/* Standart Input & Output */ < 1441576623 453187 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07N14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44078&oldid=43916 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+69) 10ZWG < 1441576830 985866 :Virgolang!5e7bc1dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.193.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :./join #zodiac < 1441576928 366284 :darkl0ck!~v1rtuehea@TOROON2634W-LP140-02-2925477401.dsl.bell.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1441576942 90204 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :um. dude your already in #zodiac < 1441576955 237347 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: He was trying to invite people < 1441576963 249402 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: I think he's a bit new to IRC < 1441576969 999651 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Virgolang: Don't worry, you'll catch on < 1441577006 839466 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Ingredients-Oriented Paradigm14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44079&oldid=44018 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+2) 10commas < 1441577108 346588 :darkl0ck!~v1rtuehea@TOROON2634W-LP140-02-2925477401.dsl.bell.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1441577352 287110 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User talk:Phase14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44080&oldid=44024 5* 03Phase 5* (-837) 10Blanked the page < 1441577456 597825 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sigh* < 1441577466 130252 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a very constructive response < 1441577534 949658 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1441577542 586790 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Virgo14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44081&oldid=44077 5* 03Sinatra 5* (+384) 10 < 1441577684 648193 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Labyrinth14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44082&oldid=44034 5* 03Martin Büttner 5* (+95) 10New semantics for ? < 1441577716 238534 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Labyrinth14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44083&oldid=44082 5* 03Martin Büttner 5* (+2) 10/* General */ < 1441577763 286083 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Virgo14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44084&oldid=44081 5* 03Sinatra 5* (+45) 10 < 1441577796 156162 :Virgolang!5e7bc1dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.193.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are everybody silent?? < 1441577807 430997 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because no one is talking < 1441577843 136678 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07TaurusVM14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=44085 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+205) 10Created Page < 1441577853 147972 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it varies a lot, on this channel < 1441577857 287895 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does < 1441577881 314182 :Virgolang!5e7bc1dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.193.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Virgo < 1441577948 807810 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1441578282 41134 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you want some noise https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Z8ez0QUAEw < 1441578315 583226 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION decides against < 1441578490 234542 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you don't liek mudkips^H^H^H^H^H^H^H dubstep? < 1441578655 196710 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode �� < 1441578656 41645 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+FFFD REPLACEMENT CHARACTER] [U+FFFD REPLACEMENT CHARACTER] < 1441578663 970912 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck < 1441578743 555928 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: i didn't even click the link, but if it was dupstep, i only stay more firm in my decision. < 1441578983 861514 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Virgo14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44086&oldid=44084 5* 03Sinatra 5* (+75) 10 < 1441579035 132384 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Q319DNswRc <-- not dubstep < 1441579041 16879 :Virgolang!5e7bc1dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.193.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is http://esolangs.org/wiki/Virgo < 1441579197 690797 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Virgo14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44087&oldid=44086 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (-1) 10Fixed some wording < 1441579362 667351 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Virgo14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44088&oldid=44087 5* 03Sinatra 5* (+78) 10 < 1441579559 63313 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Today, I sorted the programs in http://zem.fi/egostats/plot_cycles.png -- the heatmap of battle lengths -- by total number of cycles in matches involving the program. I think it's an improvement. < 1441579574 697408 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(They used to be just in best-first order, which made it appear quite random.) < 1441579697 226046 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Virgo14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44089&oldid=44088 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+12) 10Retroactivity < 1441579698 241568 :Virgolang!5e7bc1dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.193.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: what is it < 1441579712 340872 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's statistics about http://zem.fi/bfjoust/ < 1441579720 906970 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: wait, i have a program on the hill? < 1441579735 605201 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I think it's the one you were testing with. It's the last one. :p < 1441579743 96447 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Virgolang: That is OK, but perhaps should include macros, other that that is OK < 1441579745 957097 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, two? < 1441579765 174324 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: One of them is called "apparently", and I think that's the one you used when someone said something about zemhill working again. < 1441579783 745901 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what netsnail is. < 1441579787 125833 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :rings a bell < 1441579787 331827 :Virgolang!5e7bc1dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.193.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: macros will start with a dot. < 1441579787 821599 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :They would help also with more explanation about what the and so on is, since it seem to mean a few different kind of things < 1441579793 365514 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Virgolang: OK < 1441579823 828046 :Virgolang!5e7bc1dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.193.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: it will be like macros on c++ without the #define < 1441579823 993225 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: You submitted it on May 23rd. < 1441579845 748527 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1441579932 400243 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, I think I see something that might be a gitweb bug. < 1441579940 606153 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm it was last then, but somehow hasn't dropped off? i guess zemhill may have broken shortly after... < 1441579961 520823 :Virgolang!5e7bc1dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.193.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :where are virgos? < 1441580001 838052 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://zem.fi/git/?p=hill;a=commit;h=3c39826 has the commit message "Updating infinitymaster.Iron_Will_and_a_Clear_Conscience", but gitweb shows it in some places as "Updating infinityIron_Will_and_a_Clear_Conscience". < 1441580013 46225 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's stripping out "master." thinking it's some sort of branch identifier. < 1441580048 209723 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I thought something in my scripts had broken, but it's correct in "git log", and in some places in gitweb.) < 1441580071 897845 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm thinking of making a Geometry-based ISA. As a gendankenexperiment or something < 1441580104 213958 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Virgo14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44090&oldid=44089 5* 03Sinatra 5* (+61) 10 < 1441580128 447510 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: It's the last commit before the ones three days ago. < 1441580137 426501 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Possibly it's even the program that broke it! < 1441580151 677051 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAA < 1441580176 308568 :Virgolang!5e7bc1dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.193.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to go to bed soon < 1441580186 269088 :Virgolang!5e7bc1dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.193.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1441580199 998804 :Virgolang!5e7bc1dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.193.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll stay here some more < 1441580383 591477 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been thinking of making those visualizations client-side, with something like d3, because then I could maybe (a) get them update automatically, and/or (b) make the "this shows only top 7" plots sufficiently dynamic to show any programs you might be interested in. Although it might not be until the next peak of bfjoust interest before I get sufficiently motivated. < 1441580438 641493 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plus it takes something like 26065072 bytes to just represent the statistics collected in raw bytes, not to mention dumped in JSON form, so just dumping them out and doing everything on the client might not be that feasible. < 1441580468 362039 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That's a slight underestimate, I forgot about the points.) < 1441580869 59475 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Virgo14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44091&oldid=44090 5* 03Sinatra 5* (+157) 10 < 1441581081 593264 :Virgolang!5e7bc1dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.193.221 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1441581369 520905 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Virgo14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44092&oldid=44091 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+0) 10Corrected english (s/standart/standard/) < 1441581405 463004 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you think the definition I made of the SOUND and EXTOP instruction of the QUACKVM is OK how it is now or should some change to be made? Currently those specification are only draft (and are not implemented) < 1441581465 283922 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Geometric ISA < 1441581469 134805 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would that work? < 1441581505 560316 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: I don't know, try to design it and see if it work < 1441581548 228648 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1441581755 637441 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What should I name the VM? < 1441581890 542838 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, name them "Geometric-VM" if it is Geometric ISA < 1441581902 456715 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Maybe) < 1441582144 436437 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1441582351 636941 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441582733 482816 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kumipaqmspsqlcfb JOIN :#esoteric < 1441585042 306992 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441585410 561852 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Structure-free Query Language14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=44093 5* 03OriginalOldMan 5* (+2223) 10Created page with "The Structure-free Query Language is an alternative to the popular Structured Query Language (SQL). It was created in 2015 by [[User:OriginalOldMan]]. ==Data== As suggested ..." < 1441586116 387245 :mihow!~mihow@c-76-27-244-171.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441586122 895495 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07GreekVM14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=44094 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+242) 10Created Page < 1441586159 443277 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Quit: WALRUS MAAAAAAAAAAAAN < 1441586187 563454 :mihow!~mihow@c-76-27-244-171.hsd1.or.comcast.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1441586219 344807 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441586386 223365 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07GreekVM14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44095&oldid=44094 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+363) 10Memory < 1441586499 734281 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1441588416 907714 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1441588568 670202 :synthetiques!~synthetiq@mon75-9-82-235-178-51.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441589154 328458 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441589167 442822 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In today's Dungeons&Dragons session (with Kjugobe, not the new one) I used four items that had been in my inventory for some time and hadn't been used yet; these are an afro, nail clipper, beard clipper, and an IOU. < 1441589219 87819 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(All were used to help a prisoner to escape from prison so that he could help us; he is the only one who could anyways) < 1441589570 355456 :synthetiques!~synthetiq@mon75-9-82-235-178-51.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving... < 1441589581 349188 :StarkillerHollow!~Starkille@70-41-29-204.cust.wildblue.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441589606 791712 :StarkillerHollow!~Starkille@70-41-29-204.cust.wildblue.net PART :#esoteric < 1441590583 771014 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :new characters! ☉☊☋☌☍☎☏☭☮☯♈♉♊♋♌♍♎♏♐♑♒♓⟰⟱⇫⇬⇭⇮⇯⇰⇱⇲⇳⇴ѮѯѸѹѺѻ < 1441590677 950890 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fixed in Unicode-mode (the xterm used for the IRC is in UTF-8 mode) can display all but two, it looks like. < 1441590758 14466 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can see astrological signs as well as a few other symbols used in astrology, but also things on the right I do not know (perhaps the resolution is too small to figure out?) < 1441590974 730420 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh god < 1441590986 838367 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just switched to NeoLetters as my IRCing typeface < 1441590999 829038 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is this, Hebrew!? < 1441591005 395990 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuckin' zionists... < 1441591006 668630 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1441591012 371330 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is not racist < 1441591037 694860 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's supposed to look techy < 1441591041 460153 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does < 1441591049 305639 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does support hebrew though: < 1441591059 59107 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like the kind of tech they would've used if they had invented computers in Biblical times < 1441591066 171743 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :אבגדהוזחטיךכלםמן < 1441591066 921907 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :נסעףפץצקרשתװױײ׳״ < 1441591069 732899 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm reading about ring theory :) < 1441591084 565656 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In case you want to study Bible, it is helpful to be able to write Hebrew with it too. < 1441591085 484351 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'll come in handy with my "study" of Ancient Walrusian Mathematics < 1441591151 812249 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm switching to courrier new so my eyes don't bleed (from sheer beauty, that is) < 1441591166 662121 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What should the number system for Ancient Walrusian Mathematics be like? < 1441591172 675049 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps color-based? < 1441591175 410949 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am using Fixed, the same font for IRC as for the UNIX shell < 1441591204 523352 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not discussing numeric encoding. I'm discussing how the Ring should behave < 1441591215 687209 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe heavy focus on the quaternions in matrices? < 1441591231 883517 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note that the version of neoletters on Fontstruct isn't as good as the one on my website. I do adjectments to the font metrics in font forge before uploading it < 1441591232 52175 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Walrusians were a hyperintelligent race of Walruses. They were practically gods < 1441591279 352749 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in particular, Windows runs the letters together too much if I don't adject the font metrics < 1441591292 858925 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/adject/adjust < 1441591294 450945 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should stop saying "were," as the Walrusians kind of trancended our dimension and left our notions of time. "were" "are" and "will be" are meaningless when describing them unless discussing their history in this universe < 1441591326 260394 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the most current version is http://www.orenwatson.be/neolettersC.ttf < 1441591343 845724 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :various kinds (such as /triangular/) quaternion matrices, no less < 1441591350 352318 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but in the kind of writing about time-travel and similar stuff like that, the language is not design to it and can be confusing!!! < 1441591420 738046 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: Can you please tell me what is the new characters? Some I can figure out but some I do not undertsand I hoped you would know what it means. < 1441591447 871166 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not time travel. It's trancendence of space and time into a sixteen-dimensional universe. < 1441591478 901937 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: I know it is not time travel, as you have already explained; what I meant is that the language is just as confusing (perhaps more so) than time travel < 1441591491 169273 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1441591577 542968 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441591615 727324 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: it is the hammer and sickle, the hippie sign, the yin-yang sign, the 12 zodiac signs, some astrological symbols, the black and white phones, some misc. arrows, and some cyrillic letters < 1441591668 136433 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's no such thing as triangular matrices in human mathematics, is there? < 1441591682 740235 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not like ones with zeroes in them to make it a triangle < 1441591684 97834 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found that < 1441591694 334447 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if hippie sign is the correct name for ☮ but that's what i call it < 1441591715 884447 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But matrices like this: < 1441591718 77955 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0 < 1441591720 620279 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1 2 < 1441591724 247464 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : 3 4 5 < 1441591731 686590 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : 6 7 8 9 10 < 1441591740 308011 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Invent it, how is it multiply together? < 1441591747 159516 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I'm working on that < 1441591755 375125 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Element-by-element multiplication is easy < 1441591760 638455 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't seem a matrix, a triangular matrix is a new kind of thing rather than a matrix < 1441591774 336048 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: Yes, but I don't mean by-element < 1441591774 510732 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tritrix perhaps? < 1441591777 65360 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tratrix < 1441591778 158718 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know < 1441591786 234398 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, call it tritrix if you want to. < 1441591802 949340 :atehwa_!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1441591804 825171 :pikhq_!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441591808 448741 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't understand normal matrix multiplication, let alone am able to make up a new kind for a new thing xD < 1441591816 412368 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let me brush up on matrix multiplication < 1441591818 851311 :heroux_!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-johbfynbpfnczewi JOIN :#esoteric < 1441591819 543257 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then learn normal matrix multiplication. < 1441591837 840265 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what I'm doing < 1441591848 579874 :int-e_!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1441591917 215970 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hint-e! < 1441592032 298645 :Hooloo42!~Hoolootwo@d1g1t4l.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1441592068 264695 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can vaguely understand it < 1441592125 121635 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de QUIT :*.net *.split < 1441592125 295959 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so QUIT :*.net *.split < 1441592125 295978 :tromp__!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :*.net *.split < 1441592125 465484 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-163-170.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :*.net *.split < 1441592125 465567 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b QUIT :*.net *.split < 1441592125 465619 :Hoolootwo!~Hoolootwo@d1g1t4l.be QUIT :*.net *.split < 1441592125 465643 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe QUIT :*.net *.split < 1441592125 629638 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-hphfffjzaknejeqd QUIT :*.net *.split < 1441592125 629745 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :*.net *.split < 1441592125 629770 :skarn!skarn@unaffiliated/skarn QUIT :*.net *.split < 1441592125 629794 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi QUIT :*.net *.split < 1441592125 629817 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de QUIT :*.net *.split < 1441592127 481346 :heroux_!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-johbfynbpfnczewi NICK :heroux < 1441592128 937482 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck it, tratrix multiplication is element-wise < 1441592134 58602 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What the hell just happenned? < 1441592137 777364 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1441592146 448492 :Hooloo42!~Hoolootwo@d1g1t4l.be NICK :Hoolootwo < 1441592151 532537 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so JOIN :#esoteric < 1441592151 712273 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe JOIN :#esoteric < 1441592178 971706 :fowl!fowl@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-hfvwzvgasvkdabgn PRIVMSG #esoteric :Net split means one of freenode servers disconnected from the others < 1441592184 22578 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1441592199 302027 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And those are all the people who were on those servers? < 1441592205 137963 :fowl!fowl@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-hfvwzvgasvkdabgn PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those people are in a channel by themselves and it looks like everyone else netsplit < 1441592209 517738 :fowl!fowl@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-hfvwzvgasvkdabgn PRIVMSG #esoteric :To them < 1441592217 702299 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1441592237 916027 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do we know we aren't the ones in the channel by ourselves? < 1441592238 927774 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1441592259 718908 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1441592289 400495 :fowl!fowl@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-hfvwzvgasvkdabgn PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depends on how many people you see get disconnected < 1441592295 488384 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :True < 1441592319 727369 :fowl!fowl@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-hfvwzvgasvkdabgn PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been in #ubuntu on a netsplit where 900/950 people vanished lol < 1441592529 450450 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-163-170.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1441592909 978299 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1441592967 606140 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441592968 895644 :PinealGl1ndOptic!~PinealGla@vps2.conus.info JOIN :#esoteric < 1441593049 960848 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441593108 106077 :nortti_!nortti@ayu.smar.moe JOIN :#esoteric < 1441593140 603436 :OriginalOldMan!4c79b164@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.121.177.100 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441593277 77075 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even if you try to make a tensor product it look like it would leave gaps. Tratrix does not seem so useful or meaningful so much! < 1441593279 930963 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1441593280 253629 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@vps2.conus.info QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1441593280 634966 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1441593280 635077 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1441593280 996736 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1441593281 160744 :yiyus!1242712427@je.je.je QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1441593281 160817 :sedirc!~sedirc@ec2-52-25-138-238.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1441593281 160834 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1441593292 54262 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1441593324 56602 :bender|!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441593329 602200 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so JOIN :#esoteric < 1441593400 920692 :yiyus!1242712427@je.je.je JOIN :#esoteric < 1441593475 727163 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Folder14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44096&oldid=43944 5* 03Rdococ 5* (+234) 10/* A Folder RPG */ < 1441593487 482780 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1441593506 11405 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Folder14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44097&oldid=44096 5* 03Rdococ 5* (+111) 10/* A Folder RPG */ < 1441593635 927928 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Multiple Timelike Dimensions < 1441593644 729320 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone implement an Esolang that behaves as such < 1441593705 638187 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had the idea too, and wanted to have a esolang or chess variant having such properties, but I do not know how. < 1441593789 15444 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm talking to a guy who experimented with Cellular Automata with it over on ##math < 1441593802 826744 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you join you'll show up in time for the grand post < 1441593821 927212 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1441593823 370634 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Missed it < 1441594938 698272 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@li611-52.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1441595212 57737 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441595280 535387 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1441595293 15057 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441595309 704968 :int-e_!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1441595310 579550 :jix!~jix@jixco.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1441595311 291273 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1441595326 466764 :tromp__!~tromp@rtc35-217.rentec.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1441595338 509433 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@li611-52.members.linode.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1441595339 367338 :aretecode!~aretecode@209.58.130.130 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1441595339 941975 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-217.rentec.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1441595340 106415 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1441595340 106491 :heddwch!~heddwch@76.8.3.189 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1441595340 470317 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1441595341 122523 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1441595381 615945 :rdococ!561c7e2e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.28.126.46 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441595388 606924 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1441595396 515139 :Warrigal!~tswett@192.241.237.138 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441595398 293764 :jix!~jix@jixco.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1441595438 97297 :rdococ!561c7e2e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.28.126.46 QUIT :Client Quit < 1441595446 740209 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone needs to make a programming language where Minecraft is an acceptable IDE < 1441595493 894829 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the redstone stuff already counts < 1441595560 802528 :aretecode!~aretecode@209.58.130.130 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441595603 608822 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Quit: Alas. < 1441595678 314133 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1441595699 29075 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly JOIN :#esoteric < 1441596226 5216 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@li611-52.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1441596267 545995 :sammwch!~heddwch@76.8.3.189 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441596356 667549 :sammwch!~heddwch@76.8.3.189 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1441596413 560332 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :We need a T language (T:topology::R:statistics&analysis) < 1441596416 87827 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :STAT! < 1441596437 963860 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesthiswork: Oh right xD < 1441596439 496697 :sammwch!~heddwch@76.8.3.189 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441596441 363963 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, OK you can try to do it < 1441596448 317972 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have enough on my plate < 1441596450 323323 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although for statistics I generally just use SQLite < 1441596485 899808 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Although I had to write some extension to do such thing as calculating the median and so on; many statistical stuff is not built-in to SQLite) < 1441596547 8434 :sammwch!~heddwch@76.8.3.189 NICK :heddwch < 1441596939 72811 :skarn!skarn@unaffiliated/skarn JOIN :#esoteric < 1441597175 322177 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still know of no graphics extensions for SQLite although I could write one that works by sixel graphics. < 1441597466 376790 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Probably more modern terminals would support the use of octxel graphics using unicode bralle < 1441597555 720936 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you do not need colors then you could implement that too, although I intend to use sixel graphics (and do not normally use Unicode terminals) < 1441597613 292636 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It could be done by a SQL function that converts it I suppose, if you want to < 1441597760 766605 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`danddreclist 66 < 1441597761 672904 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :danddreclist 66: shachaf nooodl boily \ http://zzo38computer.org/dnd/recording/level20.tex < 1441597960 886242 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would have design the game to make "Triangle of Magic" to be less unbalanced; by Triangle of Magic I mean: magic beats mundane, antimagic beats magic, mundane beats antimagic. (My character uses all three techniques.) < 1441598015 455596 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like this? < 1441598363 584307 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And then there are artifacts, which beat everything.) < 1441598578 878457 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441598666 711336 :bender|!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are objects on stack in underload strings? < 1441598987 517149 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Underload they put only string in stack < 1441599164 486881 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1441599378 32343 :mauris!~mauris@2601:58a:101:2cc0:5d1f:7733:3798:91d4 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441599378 248723 :mauris!~mauris@2601:58a:101:2cc0:5d1f:7733:3798:91d4 QUIT :Changing host < 1441599378 248765 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric < 1441599512 233553 :mauris_!~mauris@c-69-254-26-224.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441599525 694436 :mauris_!~mauris@c-69-254-26-224.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Changing host < 1441599525 884681 :mauris_!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric < 1441599601 275594 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get file not found for level20.txt < 1441599608 239327 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry .tex < 1441599641 358979 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oops, I must have accidentally deleted it < 1441599645 366616 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try the .dvi < 1441599660 261464 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will restore it from the backup and then retype the rest. < 1441599709 500151 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok thanks < 1441599715 219245 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The backups are from July 14 < 1441599726 918810 :sc00fy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1441599730 2984 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1441599901 971725 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found a undelete program but am unsure how to use it. < 1441599960 166504 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is called "extundelete" < 1441600045 758949 :nortti_!nortti@ayu.smar.moe NICK :nortti < 1441600161 888724 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fortunately I still have these hard drives, as well as an external device to access them, and the power supply for them! < 1441600218 796345 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that gives me an idea for a linear language, each program is single use only. When it runs it deletes itself < 1441600312 134883 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It also kills the programmer to ensure they cannot type in the program again < 1441600384 92024 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :correct < 1441600430 574469 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1441600575 92630 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And most of it does not even have to be retyped, since I can just copy the text from the DVI < 1441600684 3541 :bender|!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in underload, during the concatenation operation, do the elements that were needed to be concatenated popped from stack? < 1441600696 460904 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I believe so < 1441600738 658880 :bender|!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g.: (li)(fe)* (do the individual 'li' and 'fe' remain and 'life' is pushed to stack or are they popped out?) < 1441600763 686470 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.scp-wiki.net/scp-2521 < 1441600770 159359 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :They are removed from the stack and the result is push to stack < 1441600784 532661 :bender|!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1441601310 685721 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, the file is now fully restored. < 1441601322 879402 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesthiswork: Try again; it works now. < 1441601353 101170 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it work for you now? < 1441601451 566485 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1441603653 502644 :mihow!~mihow@c-76-27-244-171.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441603728 410117 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1441603761 906059 :j-bot!~j-bot@li1285-84.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1441603998 297530 :OriginalOldMan!4c79b164@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.121.177.100 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1441604346 649446 :j-bot!~j-bot@li1285-84.members.linode.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1441604357 601613 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you read it? Do you like what it is written on here? Is there any mistake you could find, or any way to improve perhaps? < 1441604357 893979 :j-bot!~j-bot@li1285-84.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1441604469 390761 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441604541 338650 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric < 1441604711 682803 :mauris_!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1441604722 371528 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1441605063 757032 :mauris_!~mauris@2601:58a:101:2cc0:fcc3:99e0:cd66:b8f3 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441605063 935173 :mauris_!~mauris@2601:58a:101:2cc0:fcc3:99e0:cd66:b8f3 QUIT :Changing host < 1441605063 935230 :mauris_!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric < 1441605131 835341 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1441606285 566012 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Help, WarDoq!14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44098&oldid=44048 5* 03Rdebath 5* (+220) 10/* Fail. */ < 1441606722 117177 :bender|!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 NICK :Aphrodite < 1441606725 534274 :Aphrodite!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 NICK :bender| < 1441606803 890325 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1441606811 457838 :bender|!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 NICK :Iris < 1441606836 156836 :Iris!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 NICK :Ivy < 1441606844 47678 :Ivy!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 NICK :Juno < 1441606875 347743 :Juno!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 NICK :Lily < 1441606877 805200 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-johbfynbpfnczewi QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1441606878 311860 :mauris__!~mauris@c-69-254-26-224.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441606882 197148 :Lily!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 NICK :Mary < 1441606889 71108 :Mary!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 NICK :Kathy < 1441606899 534455 :Kathy!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 NICK :Jolie < 1441606906 775167 :Jolie!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 NICK :bender| < 1441606964 465890 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441607058 976675 :mauris_!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1441607109 888143 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-yuqdnipmwtmgqilu JOIN :#esoteric < 1441607284 323910 :mihow!~mihow@c-76-27-244-171.hsd1.or.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1441607319 528564 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1441609428 937246 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make the Magic: the Gathering card that can be of a type "instant creature"; I think it is then cast as instants but can have power/toughness and creature types, can be counted by Lhurgoyf, can use scavenge ability if it has any, etc. < 1441609487 657183 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1441609527 850802 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mark Rosewater has said that he would make Instant work that way if he was redoing the game. < 1441609548 691412 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I.e. "instant creature", "instant sorcery", and so on. Rather than using the "flash" keyword. < 1441609569 915503 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That isn't what I mean < 1441609606 528102 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean it is played and then discarded, so it doesn't go into play, but still counts as a creature anyways < 1441609690 149697 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some keyword abilities are only use for creatures or only use for some card types, but can be used with others as well even though it isn't, therefore we can make up the card that uses them otherwise anyways, or in other unusual way (such as tribute that doesn't check if the tribute isn't paid, and so on) < 1441609713 99410 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, I see. < 1441609726 111471 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a bit like Evoke, I guess. < 1441609903 811072 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dash on something with vanishing (whether or not a creature) is another thing < 1441609977 999703 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But in both of those cases the permanent enters the battlefield. < 1441609980 938055 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Combine tribute with unleash or undying; I think I have done this kind of thing too < 1441609987 603744 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're proposing that it doesn't even enter the battlefield in the first place. < 1441610011 39713 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did say that if a card has the type "instant creature" then it cannot enter the battlefield. < 1441610724 799657 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also had idea, the epic version of Time Stop < 1441610752 702259 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What would the use of that be? < 1441610816 41566 :synthetiques!~synthetiq@mon75-9-82-235-178-51.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441610846 475792 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course it stop you from attacking and so on, but how much is it worth what kind of mana cost it would then be? < 1441611092 95454 :x10A94!~x10A94@178.252.73.97 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441611831 119549 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDream < 1441614711 904644 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1441615201 379639 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-64-77.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1441616240 601434 :synthetiques!~synthetiq@mon75-9-82-235-178-51.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1441616440 368828 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1441616441 577570 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1441616698 467734 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly JOIN :#esoteric < 1441616699 107822 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1441617073 258939 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are there esoteric prigramming games besides bf joust and fyb? < 1441619175 957958 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :BeGlad, but it only just barely exists. < 1441619182 380549 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nobody knows much about it, either. < 1441619189 133627 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Short for "Befunge Gladiators".) < 1441619224 91289 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some might even consider regular Core War somewhat esoteric. < 1441619460 101028 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mind providing a link? < 1441619507 463208 :lleu!~gnomebad@88.202.254.4 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441619507 627408 :lleu!~gnomebad@88.202.254.4 QUIT :Changing host < 1441619507 627445 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu JOIN :#esoteric < 1441619658 492708 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :What, about BeGlad? There's not really any links -- that's what I meant for barely existing. The Funge-98 spec has some tantalizing hints ('y' return value 9: "1 cell containing a unique team number for the current IP. Only significant for NetFunge, BeGlad, and the like." The archived Befunge FAQ from '97 has a short description: "BeGlad (Befunge Gladiators) is more like Core Wars; Programs ... < 1441619664 499960 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... written in a modified version of Befunge-97 actually attack within Befunge-space itself, trying to force the other program to run out of processes and die." < 1441619670 585261 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Befunge '97 itself is kind of mysterious, too. < 1441619686 972835 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no :( < 1441619692 55361 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://archive.is/RAzLK question 1.3. < 1441619700 464667 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It also mentions a "BefBots". < 1441619730 926170 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't find both < 1441619737 695159 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's too bad < 1441619755 470343 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I think they're all lost in time, like tears in rain. < 1441619831 53352 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If cpressey visits the channel again, next time someone could ask them if they've got any material about this stuff. < 1441619860 921136 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although maybe that's not very promising, given that even http://catseye.tc/node/Befunge-97 has no spec on file. < 1441619897 200342 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a befunge programming game would be great < 1441619915 417029 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't think of any reason this hasn't been picked up < 1441620114 736980 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's also a Befunge-96, which was even less successful. Both '96 and '97 don't have that much presence in the webs. < 1441620143 280515 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of them ('96?) had multithreading (in the Funge-98 style, with a list of IPs executing in lockstep) with a *shared stack*. < 1441620152 277107 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That probably would've been a nightmare to program. < 1441620180 955235 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like it < 1441620203 679080 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am tempted to build multithreading into rail < 1441620765 400833 :mauris__!~mauris@c-69-254-26-224.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(maybe: befunge wars where you just try to trick the other program into terminating??) < 1441620825 348726 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "obvious" core wars translation would be to stick both programs into same finite-sized (wrapping) playfield, and have them try to use g/p to put a @ executed by the other program. < 1441620849 70264 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly tweaking g/p to use coordinates relative to either the instruction or the load offset of the program. < 1441621012 931741 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1441621364 55865 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Unreadable14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44099&oldid=19065 5* 03Timwi 5* (+262) 10Question about while loops < 1441622241 536079 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Unreadable14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44100&oldid=44099 5* 03Timwi 5* (+176) 10/* Ambiguity in while behaviour */ < 1441622423 670760 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1441622552 934544 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe JOIN :#esoteric < 1441623257 475090 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1441623332 665831 :Deewiant!~deewiant@de1.ut.deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, myname: I have Befunge 97 and 96 specs of some kind. < 1441623356 100726 :Deewiant!~deewiant@de1.ut.deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: archive.is remains blocked in Finland so I dislike your link. < 1441623485 197807 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's archive.is < 1441623514 363652 :Deewiant!~deewiant@de1.ut.deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archive.is < 1441623554 61689 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I blame Google, that's where the link was from. < 1441623764 274968 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Unreadable14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44101&oldid=31121 5* 03Timwi 5* (+59) 10clarifications (according to approved interpreter) < 1441623829 547072 :Deewiant!~deewiant@de1.ut.deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tch, it's the only hit for "Befunge Mini-FAQ", too. < 1441623831 332692 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1441623868 407977 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Unreadable14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44102&oldid=44101 5* 03Timwi 5* (+13) 10another clarification < 1441623949 263981 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Unreadable14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44103&oldid=44100 5* 03Timwi 5* (+177) 10/* Reading from Stdin */ < 1441623973 414901 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Unreadable14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44104&oldid=44102 5* 03Timwi 5* (+29) 10another clarification < 1441624530 197858 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: That was my own name for it, I think. < 1441624538 636038 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: http://web.archive.org/web/20010417044912/http://cantor.res.cmu.edu/bozeman/befunge/beffaq.html < 1441624582 899093 :sc00fy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1441624795 265525 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric < 1441624957 300882 :mauris__!~mauris@c-69-254-26-224.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1441625378 332462 :synthetiques!~synthetiq@mon75-9-82-235-178-51.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441625568 394658 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-64-77.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1441625686 882900 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-64-77.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1441625960 991646 :sc00fy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1441626989 599384 :Virgolang!5e7bcb7a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.203.122 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441627509 530505 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't understand why the finnish government would have a dispute with an archive service < 1441627569 917226 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-64-77.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1441627618 955618 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-64-77.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1441628117 737573 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably the same reason india blocked pastebin < 1441628267 187426 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1441628290 960354 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :say what you want about windows notepad as a text editor, but karmically it's totally in the green! < 1441628293 700703 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma Notepad < 1441628293 864730 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Notepad has a karma of 112 < 1441628301 410908 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I Wonder Why < 1441628340 733136 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google notepad-- < 1441628341 637462 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://notepad-plus-plus.org/ < 1441628425 983135 :Deewiant!~deewiant@de1.ut.deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ashl: I suspect the guy is confused or had a bad experience with an individual and overreacted < 1441628428 478279 :Virgolang!5e7bcb7a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.203.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google Virgo esolang < 1441628429 806412 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://forum.esolang.com/index.php?showtopic=3552 < 1441628429 970685 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Title: ����� � ����� ������� - ����� ... < 1441628485 62591 :Virgolang!5e7bcb7a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.203.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google Virgo site:esolangs.org < 1441628485 673100 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :No Result Found. < 1441628496 347726 :Virgolang!5e7bcb7a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.203.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google Virgo esolangs.org < 1441628497 314236 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.tumblr.com/tagged/esotericc < 1441628583 71583 :Virgolang!5e7bcb7a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.203.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@help < 1441628583 235600 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :help . Ask for help for . Try 'list' for all commands < 1441628589 857379 :Virgolang!5e7bcb7a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.203.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@list < 1441628590 21349 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :What module? Try @listmodules for some ideas. < 1441628595 797957 :Virgolang!5e7bcb7a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.203.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@listmodules < 1441628595 961988 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :activity base bf check compose dice dict djinn dummy elite eval filter free fresh haddock help hoogle instances irc karma localtime metar more oeis offlineRC pl pointful poll pretty quote search slap source spell system tell ticker todo topic type undo unlambda unmtl version where < 1441628612 140759 :Virgolang!5e7bcb7a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.203.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@list karma < 1441628612 304938 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :karma provides: karma karma+ karma- karma-all < 1441628619 904634 :Virgolang!5e7bcb7a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.203.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma+ < 1441628620 68778 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :usage @karma(+|-) nick < 1441628630 479010 :Virgolang!5e7bcb7a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.203.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma+ Virgolang < 1441628630 643015 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't change your own karma, silly. < 1441628640 139171 :Virgolang!5e7bcb7a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.203.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@bf < 1441628640 303880 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Done. < 1441628651 838541 :Virgolang!5e7bcb7a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.203.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@list bf < 1441628652 40662 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :bf provides: bf < 1441628653 443531 :fowl!fowl@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-hfvwzvgasvkdabgn PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma+ Virgolang < 1441628653 607534 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Virgolang's karma raised to 1. < 1441628661 315078 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :@bf ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++. < 1441628661 479475 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : ( < 1441628735 13661 :Virgolang!5e7bcb7a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.203.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@bf +[----->+++<]>+.++++++++++++..----.[-->+<]>++.-----------..[--->+<]>.[--->+<]>----.----.---.-----------.+++++++++++++.-------.++++++++++++.+[++>---<]>.---[----->+<]>.+++.-----------.--[->+++<]>.++[--->++<]>+.+[->+++<]>+.++.--.----[->+++<]>.>+[--->++<]>.++++[->++++<]>+.+++++++++.-----------.++++++++. < 1441628735 177763 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : http://esolangs.org/wiki/Virgo < 1441628760 689175 :Virgolang!5e7bcb7a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.203.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@list hoogle < 1441628760 853597 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :hoogle provides: hoogle hoogle+ < 1441628765 990164 :Virgolang!5e7bcb7a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.203.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle+ < 1441628766 154175 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Control.Monad mapM :: Monad m => (a -> m b) -> [a] -> m [b] < 1441628766 154230 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Control.Monad forM :: Monad m => [a] -> (a -> m b) -> m [b] < 1441628766 154255 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Traversable mapM :: (Traversable t, Monad m) => (a -> m b) -> t a -> m (t b) < 1441628774 621407 :Virgolang!5e7bcb7a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.203.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle < 1441628776 175651 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :No query entered < 1441628776 339633 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try --help for command line options < 1441628813 259138 :Virgolang!5e7bcb7a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.203.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how to add my own interpreter? < 1441628819 533537 :Virgolang!5e7bcb7a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.203.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like @bf < 1441628839 446502 :Virgolang!5e7bcb7a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.203.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@system < 1441628839 611113 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1441628845 616736 :Virgolang!5e7bcb7a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.203.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@list system < 1441628845 780635 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :system provides: listchans listmodules listservers list echo uptime < 1441628851 335825 :fowl!fowl@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-hfvwzvgasvkdabgn PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have to fill out a form and submit it by fax or mail < 1441628860 10641 :Virgolang!5e7bcb7a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.203.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what form < 1441628888 553879 :Virgolang!5e7bcb7a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.203.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or else i can write a bot < 1441628899 309651 :fowl!fowl@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-hfvwzvgasvkdabgn PRIVMSG #esoteric :Standard form 102-A < 1441628913 617867 :Virgolang!5e7bcb7a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.203.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can i access it < 1441628942 919485 :synthetiques!~synthetiq@mon75-9-82-235-178-51.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1441628950 495615 :Virgolang!5e7bcb7a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.203.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@bf ,. < 1441628950 660129 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Done. < 1441628958 185653 :Virgolang!5e7bcb7a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.203.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@bf ,+++++. < 1441628958 349982 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Done. < 1441628960 799734 :Virgolang!5e7bcb7a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.203.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@bf ,+++++. < 1441628960 964032 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Done. < 1441628961 656951 :Virgolang!5e7bcb7a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.203.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@bf ,+++++. < 1441628961 844947 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Done. < 1441628974 271352 :Virgolang!5e7bcb7a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.203.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@listmodules < 1441628974 435622 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :activity base bf check compose dice dict djinn dummy elite eval filter free fresh haddock help hoogle instances irc karma localtime metar more oeis offlineRC pl pointful poll pretty quote search slap source spell system tell ticker todo topic type undo unlambda unmtl version where < 1441628983 317993 :Virgolang!5e7bcb7a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.203.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@list ticker < 1441628983 482992 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :ticker provides: ticker bid < 1441628991 755723 :fowl!fowl@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-hfvwzvgasvkdabgn PRIVMSG #esoteric :@source < 1441628991 920029 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1441628992 863625 :Virgolang!5e7bcb7a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.203.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@list pl < 1441628993 27893 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :pl provides: pointless pl pl-resume < 1441628999 425647 :fowl!fowl@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-hfvwzvgasvkdabgn PRIVMSG #esoteric :@list source < 1441628999 589777 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :source provides: src < 1441629000 3760 :Virgolang!5e7bcb7a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.203.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@source < 1441629000 167840 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1441629003 254455 :fowl!fowl@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-hfvwzvgasvkdabgn PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src < 1441629003 418632 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :src . Display the implementation of a standard function < 1441629009 841689 :Virgolang!5e7bcb7a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.203.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src < 1441629010 5818 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :src . Display the implementation of a standard function < 1441629012 850106 :fowl!fowl@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-hfvwzvgasvkdabgn PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src bf < 1441629013 14360 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source not found. Your mind just hasn't been the same since the electro-shock, has it? < 1441629015 146655 :Virgolang!5e7bcb7a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.203.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src bf < 1441629015 310988 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source not found. Maybe if you used more than just two fingers... < 1441629022 117760 :Virgolang!5e7bcb7a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.203.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src bf < 1441629022 281870 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source not found. Where did you learn to type? < 1441629032 842742 :Virgolang!5e7bcb7a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.203.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src 0 < 1441629033 6721 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source not found. Abort, Retry, Panic? < 1441629096 400987 :Virgolang!5e7bcb7a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.203.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src pretty < 1441629096 401058 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source not found. That's something I cannot allow to happen. < 1441629101 146900 :Virgolang!5e7bcb7a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.203.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src src < 1441629101 311314 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source not found. Maybe if you used more than just two fingers... < 1441629105 670708 :Virgolang!5e7bcb7a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.203.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src bf < 1441629105 835012 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source not found. Sorry about this, I know it's a bit silly. < 1441629111 754160 :Virgolang!5e7bcb7a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.203.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src bf < 1441629111 918321 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source not found. stty: unknown mode: doofus < 1441629115 450390 :Virgolang!5e7bcb7a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.203.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src bf < 1441629115 615428 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source not found. This mission is too important for me to allow you to jeopardize it. < 1441629131 979024 :Virgolang!5e7bcb7a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.203.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@unlamba < 1441629132 144981 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : unlambda: Parse error at end of file < 1441629134 976009 :Virgolang!5e7bcb7a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.203.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@unlambda < 1441629135 140603 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : unlambda: Parse error at end of file < 1441629138 505623 :Virgolang!5e7bcb7a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.203.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@unlambda < 1441629138 669854 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : unlambda: Parse error at end of file < 1441629139 438469 :Virgolang!5e7bcb7a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.203.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@unlambda < 1441629139 602714 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : unlambda: Parse error at end of file < 1441629142 186935 :Virgolang!5e7bcb7a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.203.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@unlambda < 1441629142 351070 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : unlambda: Parse error at end of file < 1441629145 750522 :fowl!fowl@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-hfvwzvgasvkdabgn PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you retarded? < 1441629150 69639 :Virgolang!5e7bcb7a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.203.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1441629169 304618 :fowl!fowl@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-hfvwzvgasvkdabgn PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why are you acting like a retarded < 1441629183 499409 :Virgolang!5e7bcb7a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.203.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bot doesn't work < 1441629190 70546 :Virgolang!5e7bcb7a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.203.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because of that < 1441629200 851451 :Virgolang!5e7bcb7a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.203.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't giving source < 1441629202 353974 :fowl!fowl@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-hfvwzvgasvkdabgn PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know what you should do? Try the same input over and over < 1441629215 188673 :Virgolang!5e7bcb7a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.203.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1441629225 31407 :fowl!fowl@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-hfvwzvgasvkdabgn PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yea do it. It will work eventually < 1441629233 446654 :Virgolang!5e7bcb7a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.203.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src bf < 1441629233 648449 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source not found. :( < 1441629235 250851 :Virgolang!5e7bcb7a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.203.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src bf < 1441629235 415047 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source not found. My pet ferret can type better than you! < 1441629236 901911 :Virgolang!5e7bcb7a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.203.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src bf < 1441629237 65912 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source not found. :( < 1441629238 187461 :Virgolang!5e7bcb7a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.203.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src bf < 1441629238 351799 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source not found. Are you on drugs? < 1441629239 74721 :Virgolang!5e7bcb7a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.203.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src bf < 1441629239 238650 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source not found. < 1441629239 998871 :Virgolang!5e7bcb7a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.203.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src bf < 1441629240 163557 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source not found. And you call yourself a Rocket Surgeon! < 1441629241 670865 :Virgolang!5e7bcb7a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.203.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src bf < 1441629241 834830 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source not found. Maybe if you used more than just two fingers... < 1441629242 894904 :Virgolang!5e7bcb7a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.203.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src bf < 1441629243 58920 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source not found. Sorry. < 1441629244 22775 :Virgolang!5e7bcb7a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.203.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src bf < 1441629244 186972 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source not found. That's something I cannot allow to happen. < 1441629245 195244 :Virgolang!5e7bcb7a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.203.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src bf < 1441629245 359347 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source not found. There are some things that I just don't know. < 1441629246 925411 :Virgolang!5e7bcb7a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.203.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src bf < 1441629247 89666 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source not found. That's something I cannot allow to happen. < 1441629254 819276 :Virgolang!5e7bcb7a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.203.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid bot < 1441629257 657926 :fowl!fowl@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-hfvwzvgasvkdabgn PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just getting warmed up is all < 1441629262 150603 :Virgolang!5e7bcb7a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.203.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src bf < 1441629262 315198 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source not found. < 1441629263 223505 :Virgolang!5e7bcb7a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.203.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src bf < 1441629263 389358 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source not found. This mission is too important for me to allow you to jeopardize it. < 1441629264 170847 :Virgolang!5e7bcb7a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.203.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src bf < 1441629264 334996 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source not found. < 1441629265 77394 :Virgolang!5e7bcb7a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.203.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src bf < 1441629265 241369 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source not found. It can only be attributed to human error. < 1441629265 772078 :Virgolang!5e7bcb7a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.203.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src bf < 1441629265 936055 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source not found. Maybe if you used more than just two fingers... < 1441629266 235924 :Virgolang!5e7bcb7a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.203.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src bf < 1441629266 400382 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source not found. And you call yourself a Rocket Surgeon! < 1441629267 126777 :Virgolang!5e7bcb7a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.203.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src bf < 1441629267 292090 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source not found. Wrong! You cheating scum! < 1441629270 348414 :Virgolang!5e7bcb7a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.203.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src bf < 1441629270 512636 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source not found. You speak an infinite deal of nothing. < 1441629277 999004 :Virgolang!5e7bcb7a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.203.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src bf < 1441629278 163706 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source not found. And you call yourself a Rocket Surgeon! < 1441629279 39205 :Virgolang!5e7bcb7a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.203.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src bf < 1441629279 203595 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source not found. I feel much better now. < 1441629280 659 :Virgolang!5e7bcb7a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.203.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src bf < 1441629280 164975 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source not found. Just what do you think you're doing Dave? < 1441629280 821998 :Virgolang!5e7bcb7a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.203.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src bf < 1441629280 986932 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source not found. I don't think I can be your friend on Facebook anymore. < 1441629281 649715 :Virgolang!5e7bcb7a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.203.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src bf < 1441629281 814160 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source not found. Take a stress pill and think things over. < 1441629282 379629 :Virgolang!5e7bcb7a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.203.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src bf < 1441629282 543695 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source not found. And you call yourself a Rocket Surgeon! < 1441629283 124716 :Virgolang!5e7bcb7a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.203.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src bf < 1441629283 289335 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source not found. And you call yourself a Rocket Scientist! < 1441629283 933123 :Virgolang!5e7bcb7a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.203.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src bf < 1441629284 196485 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source not found. I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler. < 1441629284 842305 :Virgolang!5e7bcb7a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.203.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src bf < 1441629286 196526 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source not found. < 1441629288 436556 :Virgolang!5e7bcb7a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.203.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src bf < 1441629288 600600 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source not found. Maybe if you used more than just two fingers... < 1441629289 950502 :Virgolang!5e7bcb7a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.203.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src bf < 1441629290 200387 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source not found. That's something I cannot allow to happen. < 1441629291 398408 :Virgolang!5e7bcb7a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.203.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src bf < 1441629292 201682 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source not found. This mission is too important for me to allow you to jeopardize it. < 1441629296 105894 :Virgolang!5e7bcb7a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.203.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src bf < 1441629296 270076 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source not found. < 1441629303 725577 :Virgolang!5e7bcb7a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.203.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :still not working < 1441629305 926309 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1441629309 769352 :Virgolang!5e7bcb7a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.203.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is goatish < 1441629368 970882 :Virgolang!5e7bcb7a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.203.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should make a bot < 1441629391 340948 :Virgolang!5e7bcb7a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.203.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :named 'VirgoInterpreter' < 1441629450 638640 :Virgolang!5e7bcb7a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.203.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and connect it < 1441629462 711103 :Virgolang!5e7bcb7a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.203.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION slaps lambdabot around a bit with a large fishbot < 1441629472 921855 :fowl!fowl@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-hfvwzvgasvkdabgn PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would be badass and original. Go for it < 1441629539 241024 :Virgolang!5e7bcb7a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.203.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should make sockets before < 1441630022 672582 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1441630473 782579 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@botsnack < 1441630473 984929 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1441630596 570461 :virgo_interprete!~virgo_int@94.123.203.122 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441630620 990784 :Virgolang!5e7bcb7a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.203.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is my bot < 1441630629 654215 :Virgolang!5e7bcb7a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.203.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not complete < 1441630630 945398 :Virgolang!5e7bcb7a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.203.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :! < 1441630688 493358 :Virgolang!5e7bcb7a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.203.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :PING < 1441630700 194506 :Virgolang!5e7bcb7a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.203.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it pings my bot < 1441630751 561719 :Virgolang!5e7bcb7a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.203.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::!Q < 1441630766 598910 :Virgolang!5e7bcb7a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.203.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't quit! < 1441630789 347569 :Virgolang!5e7bcb7a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.203.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Q < 1441630796 151369 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fiendish < 1441630858 954977 :Virgolang!5e7bcb7a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.203.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :./privmsg virgo_interprete haha < 1441630863 561086 :virgo_interprete!~virgo_int@94.123.203.122 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1441630880 484833 :Virgolang!5e7bcb7a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.203.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :./privmsg virgo_interprete haha < 1441631211 409372 :Deewiant!~deewiant@de1.ut.deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://worrydream.com/AlligatorEggs/ < 1441631270 948729 :virgo_interprete!~virgo_int@94.123.203.122 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441631442 880397 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441631523 948168 :virgo_interprete!~virgo_int@94.123.203.122 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1441631565 719988 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1441631615 475874 :virgo_interprete!~virgo_int@94.123.203.122 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441631642 914244 :virgo_interprete!~virgo_int@94.123.203.122 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1441631682 417709 :virgo_interprete!~virgo_int@94.123.203.122 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441631965 527925 :virgo_interprete!~virgo_int@94.123.203.122 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1441632539 535972 :Virgolang!5e7bcb7a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.203.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :virgo interpreter will be at #virgo < 1441632543 706858 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu QUIT :Quit: That's what she said < 1441632882 897326 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there anyone here who lived in england in 1940? < 1441632972 823152 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need to know how much 100k pounds are worth today < 1441632994 540622 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's how much turing asks to build his machine in "the imitation game" < 1441633103 447471 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is possible i lived in england in 1940, but i do not remember since it was before i was born hth < 1441633151 69370 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i recall there's some wikipedia feature to do such conversions... < 1441633204 180779 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha! found this http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/bills/article-1633409/Historic-inflation-calculator-value-money-changed-1900.html < 1441633240 237543 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i found this http://safalra.com/other/historical-uk-inflation-price-conversion/ < 1441633248 867066 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think safalra is an esolanger? < 1441633354 408499 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :3.8 million in 2013, it stopped there < 1441633373 357430 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was crazy expensive < 1441633413 971942 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd just go back in time and give him a 300$ laptop < 1441633500 118783 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (3957691.80/100000)**(1/(2016-1945)) < 1441633502 116023 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1.0531717051399103 < 1441634043 998948 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-64-77.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1441634104 671240 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-64-77.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1441634411 51611 :rodgort!~rodgort@105.ip-167-114-152.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1441634521 99591 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Loader14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44105&oldid=44030 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (+66) 10/* Interpreter */ < 1441634667 10345 :rodgort!~rodgort@105.ip-167-114-152.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441634759 60365 :sc00fy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1441635335 549737 :bender|!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo, help < 1441635344 456985 :bender|!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 PRIVMSG #esoteric :=help < 1441635345 814803 :bender|!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 PRIVMSG #esoteric :?? < 1441635441 820031 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441635524 984522 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`help < 1441635525 148697 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Runs arbitrary code in GNU/Linux. Type "`", or "`run " for full shell commands. "`fetch " downloads files. Files saved to $PWD are persistent, and $PWD/bin is in $PATH. $PWD is a mercurial repository, "`revert " can be used to revert to a revision. See http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/ < 1441636480 50486 :bender|!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1441636710 638067 :Virgolang!5e7bcb7a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.203.122 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1441637332 428813 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH JOIN :#esoteric < 1441637346 503013 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ☮ < 1441637347 164252 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+262E PEACE SYMBOL] < 1441637348 609249 :Virgolang!5e7bcb7a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.203.122 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441637358 661542 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :useful. < 1441637434 626308 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ♂䑭 < 1441637435 187211 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+2642 MALE SIGN] [U+446D CJK UNIFIED IDEOGRAPH-446D] < 1441637469 726584 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, no character details. < 1441637504 467340 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren_: http://i.imgur.com/FSVg1EW.png < 1441637514 596178 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :show your font's ass now < 1441637515 239806 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Mars; alchemical symbol for iron / war vessel; man-of-war; warship) < 1441637832 850596 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The other tool shows some technical data. < 1441637834 150417 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode ♂ < 1441637835 212927 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+2642 MALE SIGN \ UTF-8: e2 99 82 UTF-16BE: 2642 Decimal: ♂ \ ♂ \ Category: So (Symbol, Other) \ Bidi: ON (Other Neutrals) < 1441637844 272554 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But not the description either. < 1441637860 264945 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-72-199.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1441638390 166881 :Virgolang!5e7bcb7a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.203.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am making a bot :) < 1441638396 852091 :Virgolang!5e7bcb7a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.203.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@botsnack < 1441638397 20524 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1441638407 196031 :Virgolang!5e7bcb7a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.203.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :named virgo < 1441638409 634820 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441638438 377049 :Virgolang!5e7bcb7a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.203.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :virgo will be in #virgo < 1441640237 975926 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-72-199.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1441640815 3402 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Quit: BBS < 1441641187 174526 :FreeFull!~freefull@host86-156-202-32.range86-156.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1441641210 495538 :FreeFull!~freefull@host86-156-202-32.range86-156.btcentralplus.com NICK :Guest84911 < 1441641349 280507 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441641785 665927 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1441642295 471135 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Unreadable14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44106&oldid=44104 5* 03Timwi 5* (+125) 10/* Interpreter */ Esoteric IDE now supports Unreadable. Tested with the examples on the Talk page as well as [http://codegolf.stackexchange.com/a/55870/668 this shorter Hello World]. < 1441642586 582175 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :good mroing < 1441642587 641671 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-64-77.access.telenet.be QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1441642734 717313 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :11 < 1441642740 905267 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CC < 1441642744 285671 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :11 < 1441642943 613825 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-64-77.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1441643101 189596 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren_: no, add more 1's < 1441643119 108992 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :111 < 1441643123 611103 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CC1 < 1441643127 179695 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :111 < 1441643139 842000 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :now there's too many 1's < 1441643554 55145 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1441643609 595988 :Virgolang_!5e7bcb7a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.203.122 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441643643 493346 :virgobeta!~virgo_bet@94.123.203.122 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441643669 28748 :Virgolang_!5e7bcb7a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.203.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :virgobeta is my bot. < 1441643682 615986 :Virgolang!5e7bcb7a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.203.122 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1441643719 141172 :Virgolang_!5e7bcb7a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.203.122 NICK :Virgolang < 1441643723 671438 :Virgolang!5e7bcb7a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.203.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cls < 1441643737 815920 :virgobeta!~virgo_bet@94.123.203.122 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1441643792 869398 :virgobeta!~virgo_bet@94.123.203.122 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441643807 761529 :Virgolang!5e7bcb7a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.203.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::!Q < 1441643810 200452 :virgobeta!~virgo_bet@94.123.203.122 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1441643872 978569 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, the early days of bot development < 1441643887 354491 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although normally you get "client quit" in response to every command, as opposed to "connection reset by peer" < 1441643894 333294 :Virgolang!5e7bcb7a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.203.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't responds < 1441644020 867570 :virgobeta!~virgo_bet@94.123.203.122 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441644023 948350 :virgobeta!~virgo_bet@94.123.203.122 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1441644167 430688 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1441644606 996709 :zemhill!bfjoust@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :web.did_not_remember_to_test_this_interface: points -11.88, score 11.81, rank 46/47 < 1441644612 543285 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, it works. < 1441644628 753246 :Virgolang!5e7bcb7a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.203.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :making a bot with php < 1441644629 78920 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ais523 joining reminded me I didn't test that side at all after the restart.) < 1441644647 915980 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it didn't even come last < 1441644686 665562 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!zjoust knock_web_off_the_leaderboard (>)*8(>[+++[-]])*21 < 1441644687 364179 :zemhill!bfjoust@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523.knock_web_off_the_leaderboard: points -7.67, score 14.55, rank 46/47 < 1441644708 372189 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually thought that would score more, although I expected it to be a long way down < 1441644716 828167 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the leaderboard is full of programs that are actually competent < 1441644736 857407 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the problem a long-running hill faces, I guess. < 1441644745 60533 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really consider it a problem < 1441644753 286823 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to remember that there used to be more churn at the bottom, thoguh < 1441644756 198726 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think someone suggested a separate "beginner" hill that's less demoralizing. < 1441644771 663084 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that submitting something that hasn't been popular in a long while would come like 10 spaces from the end < 1441644783 335478 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!zjoust vibration (-)*127(-+)*100000 < 1441644783 917448 :zemhill!bfjoust@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523.vibration: points -12.31, score 10.96, rank 47/47 < 1441644800 782641 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I think that used to be the case. < 1441644808 651545 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, did I mess something up there? < 1441644812 407685 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION checks the breakdown < 1441644840 620796 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does in fact get plenty of wins < 1441644910 873861 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ofc anticipation2, which is the "clever" version of the same idea, is doing just fine on that hill IIRC < 1441644924 867166 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in 11th place < 1441644983 711137 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Total score from the breakdown summaries is -517 out of [-1932, 1932], so it's not at all bad. < 1441645166 425133 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was fearing that the hill had gotten overcentralize < 1441645169 660703 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*overcentralized < 1441645181 643359 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but every time I fear that, either I discover I'm wrong, or else I find some way to exploit what everyone else is doing < 1441645194 923122 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(growth2, for example, is definitely an "exploit what everyone else is doing" program) < 1441645412 655124 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, I gave some thought on turning the visualizations into client-side d3.js-or-something stuff, because that would allow the "shows only top 7 programs because it would look messy otherwise" plots to be sufficiently interactive to have a program-select-o-tron. < 1441645514 389651 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I did one of the least useful things imaginable, and switched out the protocol spoken by the 'gearlanced' binary that does the "manage a hill with minimal re-parsing/-compilation of programs" thing. < 1441645824 686635 :MDream!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDude < 1441646049 783826 :virgobot!~virgobot@94.123.203.122 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441646050 645638 :virgobot!~virgobot@94.123.203.122 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1441646099 475494 :virgobot!~virgobot@94.123.203.122 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441646132 773386 :Virgolang!5e7bcb7a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.203.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :testing it < 1441646141 406014 :virgobot!~virgobot@94.123.203.122 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1441646180 502644 :virgobot!~virgobot@94.123.203.122 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441646207 220024 :Virgolang!5e7bcb7a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.203.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it works! < 1441646231 682221 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-35-82.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1441646244 86035 :virgobot!~virgobot@94.123.203.122 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1441646254 931707 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1441646264 503469 :virgobot!~virgobot@94.123.203.122 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441646264 667889 :virgobot!~virgobot@94.123.203.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Virgo < 1441646277 112216 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-35-82.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1441646277 276308 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1441646282 441274 :virgobot!~virgobot@94.123.203.122 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1441646322 468823 :virgobot!~virgobot@94.123.203.122 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441646322 655825 :virgobot!~virgobot@94.123.203.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :'Virgo < 1441646335 449868 :virgobot!~virgobot@94.123.203.122 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1441646380 945362 :virgobot!~virgobot@94.123.203.122 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441646381 114686 :virgobot!~virgobot@94.123.203.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Virgo < 1441646405 264225 :Virgolang!5e7bcb7a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.203.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't print all string! < 1441646413 914677 :virgobot!~virgobot@94.123.203.122 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1441646455 931984 :virgobot!~virgobot@94.123.203.122 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441646456 96543 :virgobot!~virgobot@94.123.203.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Virgo Interpreter (version 0 beta). < 1441646549 76315 :Virgolang!5e7bcb7a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.203.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :#help < 1441646718 951417 :virgobot!~virgobot@94.123.203.122 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1441646865 872853 :virgobot!~virgobot@94.123.203.122 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441646866 39221 :virgobot!~virgobot@94.123.203.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Virgo Interpreter (version 0 beta). < 1441646889 603859 :Virgolang!5e7bcb7a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.203.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :#help < 1441646906 216706 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So how does arabic fonts even work? < 1441646955 797655 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it simply display Alif at the start of a word by looking up the glyph for initial taf? < 1441646960 174323 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it simply display Alif at the start of a word by looking up the glyph for initial alif? < 1441646980 594937 :virgobot!~virgobot@94.123.203.122 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1441646994 867725 :virgobot!~virgobot@94.123.203.122 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441646995 31774 :virgobot!~virgobot@94.123.203.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Virgo Interpreter (version 0 beta). < 1441647003 776640 :virgobot!~virgobot@94.123.203.122 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1441647025 73825 :virgobot!~virgobot@94.123.203.122 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441647025 250010 :virgobot!~virgobot@94.123.203.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Virgo Interpreter (version 0 beta). < 1441647043 761173 :Virgolang!5e7bcb7a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.203.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :#help < 1441647043 935892 :virgobot!~virgobot@94.123.203.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Virgo Interpreter commands: bf (not implemented) < 1441647045 557942 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1441647046 897976 :Virgolang!5e7bcb7a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.203.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::#help < 1441647047 113852 :virgobot!~virgobot@94.123.203.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Virgo Interpreter commands: bf (not implemented) < 1441647054 124816 :Virgolang!5e7bcb7a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.203.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::#help < 1441647054 288896 :virgobot!~virgobot@94.123.203.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Virgo Interpreter commands: bf (not implemented) < 1441647074 70662 :Virgolang!5e7bcb7a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.203.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::#bf < 1441647158 389923 :virgobot!~virgobot@94.123.203.122 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1441647162 494574 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :what version was it anyway? < 1441647601 358131 :Virgolang!5e7bcb7a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.203.122 PART :#esoteric < 1441647674 601622 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441649084 698678 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ᴬᴭᴮᴯᴰᴱᴲᴳᴴᴵᴶᴷᴸᴹᴺᴻᴼᴽᴾᴿᵀᵁᵂᵃᵄᵅᵆᵇᵈᵉᵊᵋᵌᵍᵎᵏᵐᵑᵒᵓᵔᵕᵖᵗᵘᵙᵚᵛᵜᵝᵞᵟᵠᵡ < 1441649423 272 :Guest84911!~freefull@host86-156-202-32.range86-156.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Changing host < 1441649423 200561 :Guest84911!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1441649426 825153 :Guest84911!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover NICK :FreeFull < 1441649475 285134 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ᴴᴵ ᴬᴵˢ⁵²³ < 1441650511 74440 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's difficult to read < 1441651355 204587 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whcih part? < 1441651477 300961 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1441651600 587795 :Virgolang_!5e7bc374@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.195.116 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441651611 664187 :Virgolang_!5e7bc374@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.195.116 NICK :Virgolang < 1441651732 406674 :virgoint!~virgoint@94.123.195.116 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441651843 383583 :virgobeta!~virgobeta@94.123.195.152 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441651990 369117 :virgoint!~virgoint@94.123.195.116 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1441652119 309933 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1441653390 398229 :Melvar`!~melvar@dslb-092-072-128-163.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1441653457 907697 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-092-072-163-170.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1441653518 348954 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-163-170.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1441653531 976695 :Melvar`!~melvar@dslb-092-072-128-163.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de NICK :Melvar < 1441653730 935675 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441654045 854559 :Virgolang!5e7bc374@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.195.116 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello hp < 1441654124 798784 :virgobeta!~virgobeta@94.123.195.152 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1441654145 502613 :virgobeta!~virgobeta@94.123.195.152 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441654159 843101 :Virgolang!5e7bc374@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.195.116 PART :#esoteric < 1441654397 382341 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH JOIN :#esoteric < 1441654506 113415 :virgobeta!~virgobeta@94.123.195.152 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1441654806 262269 :hppavilion[1]_!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441654948 921471 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1441655131 362263 :mauris!~mauris@c-69-254-26-224.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441655131 564588 :mauris!~mauris@c-69-254-26-224.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Changing host < 1441655131 564655 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric < 1441655766 151888 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Quit: BBS < 1441655960 419193 :hppavilion[1]_!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1441655995 940425 :mauris_!~mauris@c-69-254-26-224.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441655996 104977 :mauris_!~mauris@c-69-254-26-224.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Changing host < 1441655996 105034 :mauris_!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric < 1441656124 947468 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1441657393 600128 :Virgolang!5e7bc398@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.195.152 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441657420 199896 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1441657923 178782 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1441658326 930227 :hppavilion[1]_!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441658347 546484 :Virgolang!5e7bc398@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.195.152 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion? < 1441658425 96667 :mauris_!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1441658753 809081 :x10A94!~x10A94@178.252.73.97 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1441658933 939599 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1441659122 953540 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1441659127 910738 :hppavilion[1]_!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1441659578 490346 :FreeFull!~freefull@host86-156-202-32.range86-156.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1441659601 655496 :FreeFull!~freefull@host86-156-202-32.range86-156.btcentralplus.com NICK :Guest61261 < 1441659659 16907 :Guest61261!~freefull@host86-156-202-32.range86-156.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Changing host < 1441659659 181144 :Guest61261!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1441659724 327568 :Guest61261!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover NICK :FreeFull < 1441660044 303972 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1441660062 99747 :FreeFull!~freefull@host86-156-202-32.range86-156.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1441660085 470660 :FreeFull!~freefull@host86-156-202-32.range86-156.btcentralplus.com NICK :Guest30199 < 1441660092 260571 :Guest30199!~freefull@host86-156-202-32.range86-156.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Changing host < 1441660092 424861 :Guest30199!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1441660107 318564 :Guest30199!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover NICK :FreeFull < 1441660360 343071 :hppavilion[1]_!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441660374 96717 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1441660435 665861 :hppavilion[1]_!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell fuinho_doido I have no clue what kind of search that is. Why did you ask me? < 1441660435 830331 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1441660456 334632 :hppavilion[1]_!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net NICK :hppavilion[1] < 1441660717 85648 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-64-77.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in < 1441661328 889970 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1441662173 667981 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1441662213 540795 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1441662494 830437 :darkl0ck!~v1rtuehea@TOROON2634W-LP140-02-2925477401.dsl.bell.ca QUIT : < 1441662517 502568 :darkl0ck!~v1rtuehea@TOROON2634W-LP140-02-2925477401.dsl.bell.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1441663013 164489 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1441663858 922240 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441664388 438586 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I added charatcers like ﺱﺲﺳﺴﺵﺶﺷﺸﺹﺺﺻﺼﺽﺾﺿﻀﻁﻂﻃﻄﻅﻆﻇﻈ < 1441664399 290241 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to make up an algebra for fun < 1441664424 660131 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone have any ideas on which to base it? < 1441664480 439170 :Thisbe!~Thisbe@2602:306:394b:e110:487f:503b:cbbe:f09f JOIN :#esoteric < 1441664582 416588 :aretecode!~aretecode@209.58.130.130 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1441664723 605751 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: since ordinary rings are distributive, i think walrusian rings should be hoarding hth < 1441664777 139957 :Virgolang!5e7bc398@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.195.152 PRIVMSG #esoteric :virgo? < 1441664810 795270 :Virgolang!5e7bc398@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.195.152 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the assemblyish esolang < 1441665008 478445 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: There will be various things in Walrusian Mathematics. Walrusians love strange things. < 1441665015 771161 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi, Virgolang! < 1441665047 959132 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I base my algegra on... hm... < 1441665054 278433 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Associative Arrays? < 1441665071 115751 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps Bag Theory? < 1441665097 319274 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :free abelian groups hth < 1441665123 446084 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps a ring of rings? < 1441665128 995006 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's probably already a thing < 1441665142 459624 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: `? d-module < 1441665148 30370 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1441665152 872285 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mixed up two things < 1441665156 131641 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? d-module < 1441665157 805187 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY < 1441665160 116086 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :D-modules are just modules over the ring of differential operators. Taneb invented them. < 1441665164 736669 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was going to ask oerjan about the new canon < 1441665236 137842 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't got past the introduction yet, i was already ridiculously backlogged with my common websites and i seem to have redeveloped an addiction to tatham's loopy < 1441665270 408548 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so don't expect me to read it very speedily < 1441665332 2836 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, tatham was the person with cross-platform games, right? < 1441665338 539696 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've just got to the part where he explains clearly and elaborately that it's not in greyscale for any price reasons < 1441665341 786671 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :which he wrote in c or something and compiled to javascript? < 1441665359 115033 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yeah there's a ton of backends < 1441665359 819269 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would you read the text that isn't surrounded by pictures tdnh < 1441665378 829667 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ocpd? < 1441665386 261098 :Virgolang!5e7bc398@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.195.152 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i made a bot. < 1441665390 252558 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What else could I have an algebra about? < 1441665409 209059 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want it to be defined around a ring or rig < 1441665412 790319 :Virgolang!5e7bc398@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.195.152 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it have some differences < 1441665420 626875 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You might also compile C codes into native codes; if the source-codes are provided you can try to compile into whatever < 1441665431 631559 :Virgolang!5e7bc398@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.195.152 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to use, /msg virgoalpha < 1441665432 547505 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Virgolang: Is virgo going to have socketry? < 1441665476 125578 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :the orange county police department is making you do it? < 1441665476 782891 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Strings? Done already. Numbers? That was the first one. < 1441665487 82036 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Booleans? Literally come from "Boolean Algebra". < 1441665494 314992 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: did you play Velocity Raptor? < 1441665497 82504 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.testtubegames.com/velocityraptor.html < 1441665513 909188 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps null algebra? < 1441665519 172292 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1441665524 699306 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Emojibra? < 1441665535 523005 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have invented QUACKVM to do some cross-platform Minesweeper and some other game stuff, but currently the only implementation is in C and might work only on Linux with xterm; you can make up your own implementation for others if you want to; all of it is public domain < 1441665567 278876 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Elemental Algebra might work < 1441665594 889563 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you can think of how to make Elemental Algebra then you can try and see if it work please. < 1441665619 800140 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I'm looking for something interesting to base an algebra on < 1441665625 69066 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do we have any weird data types? < 1441665631 859368 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ones rarely used? < 1441665640 351425 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps something to do with classes? < 1441665661 50929 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i think i shall pass < 1441665676 447313 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1441665686 121073 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could invent an algebra based around people... < 1441665690 593288 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: I cannot think of it right now, but in past I might have done. < 1441665691 781948 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only thing that reminded me of that game is that you get the point after n levels but there are n+k levels < 1441665701 402155 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And possibly in future I can remember too) < 1441665701 696042 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :and for completionist reasons i played the whole thing, and it was scow < 1441665712 571133 :impomatic_!~digital_w@81.174.207.110 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441665724 459208 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: there are native backends too < 1441665769 60159 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes, if there are just the C library that does it, use the header file and then it can do, look like another way too. < 1441665891 604135 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a middle-end, and you can make frontends (new games) or backends for it < 1441665894 34990 :Virgolang!5e7bc398@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.195.152 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i made an python console! < 1441665900 877820 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Virgolang: For what? < 1441665922 368146 :Virgolang!5e7bc398@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.195.152 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to use it, /msg virgolang &py < 1441665937 49885 :Virgolang!5e7bc398@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.195.152 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: Just testing it < 1441665979 776713 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would advise you shut it off < 1441665981 354484 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :RIGHT now < 1441665990 60474 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Before someone deletes your OS or something < 1441666021 565830 :Virgolang!5e7bc398@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.195.152 PRIVMSG #esoteric :./msg virgoalpha &py < 1441666035 301610 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shut it off yourself then if they won't < 1441666073 444836 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see hppavilion[1] doesn't believe in Virgolang's sandboxing skills < 1441666116 551570 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could easily test it though, and then see if it work or not. < 1441666122 662696 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not believe in anyone's sandboxing skills xD < 1441666142 11182 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: well no one's managed to break HackEgo irrevocably yet < 1441666150 411648 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar KOAK < 1441666150 660224 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :KOAK 072153Z 29008KT 10SM FEW250 32/07 A2987 RMK AO2 SLP115 T03170072 < 1441666155 709695 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps a Parser algebra? < 1441666157 690412 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :unacceptable tdnh < 1441666162 132055 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sort of like BNF, but better? < 1441666192 374484 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i think i once accidentally froze it < 1441666287 216452 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1441666291 891846 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and lambdabot is also sandboxed, after all the haskell exploits we found in the last year < 1441666315 952958 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it used to try to depend on haskell's type safety) < 1441666338 263388 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@version < 1441666338 427970 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot 5.0.3 < 1441666338 428043 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :git clone https://github.com/lambdabot/lambdabot < 1441666353 56367 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: why doesn't it say which ghc version it uses tdnh < 1441666367 274868 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also why are you idle so early in the night < 1441666376 21727 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :We could try to invent an esoteric algebra which is based on something esoteric for use in languages < 1441666383 536853 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What purpose need be served? < 1441666408 287398 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :we should have had oklopol here, he used to talk about weird algebras like loops < 1441666424 482712 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps an alebra for analyzing people? < 1441666428 340535 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: you're not secretly here, are you? < 1441666429 309439 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Machine Learning Algebra? < 1441666481 923906 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: the question here quickly becomes whether you want something that can actually be sensibly and logically implemented, or something that's pure imaginary fantasy < 1441666498 320097 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sensibly and Logically Implemented < 1441666506 108904 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried to do an esoteric geometry once < 1441666510 864641 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that rules out people hth < 1441666512 406966 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That ended in a bunch of left triangle bullshit < 1441666528 120083 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Genetic Algebra? < 1441666581 432522 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1441666603 359060 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What should the elements of the ring/rig/rng/whatever that the Algebra implements be? < 1441666633 439016 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Functions, perhaps? < 1441666637 222851 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Function algebra? < 1441666647 522537 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably already been done. Shit I'm overusing vertical space < 1441667049 765254 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So... an algebra for parsing the same way Kleene Algebra is the algebra for lexing? < 1441667084 663835 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try. < 1441667585 892880 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Genetic has already been done < 1441667593 542998 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I give up < 1441667601 698413 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just going to make an evolution emulator < 1441667707 204739 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell bender| are objects on stack in underload strings? <-- nominally, although that's not necessarily the most efficient implementation < 1441667707 408830 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1441668346 480343 :FreeFull_!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1441668366 31404 :FreeFull_!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Client Quit < 1441670210 545811 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@help hoogle+ < 1441670210 710026 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :hoogle . Haskell API Search for either names, or types. < 1441670359 405876 :synthetiques!~synthetiq@mon75-9-82-235-178-51.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441670394 614864 :Virgolang!5e7bc398@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.195.152 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1441671068 468082 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441671089 406923 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear. maybe agatha won't need that party anyway. < 1441671434 470767 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, her complete lack of poker face just has to come back and hurt her. < 1441671824 791704 :synthetiques!~synthetiq@mon75-9-82-235-178-51.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1441673108 842561 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441673134 897344 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1441673594 405666 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is possible to play poker without poker faced too < 1441673614 210859 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Aren't you by definition poker faced when you play poker? < 1441673639 5319 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No it isn't. < 1441673660 712245 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was supposed to be (which is why it is called "poker faced") but it turns out not to be. < 1441673969 591264 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am now inventing a Panel de Pon game on QUACKVM, but it is a bit more enhanced than other game. However the only mode is the puzzle-mode it doesn't have the other game mode < 1441674126 448720 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like Panel de Pon game? < 1441674517 563032 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I happen to like the Pokemon version, it is better than the original, in my opinion) < 1441675356 467621 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1441675578 898558 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about it makes it better (in your opinion)? < 1441675608 943287 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are more options and game modes < 1441675655 113688 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1441675770 394611 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm looking at the guides to Pokemon puzzle league on gamefaqs so I understand < 1441675825 863517 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are also some secret options, including one to allow 6 digits of the score; I don't know why that is even an option instead of always being 6 digits < 1441675898 561340 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, it does work on black&white GameBoy even though it says it doesn't < 1441676056 396648 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1441677199 384109 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441677343 243252 :Warrigal!~tswett@192.241.237.138 NICK :tswett < 1441677350 923512 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dammit < 1441677353 465645 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Missed him < 1441677382 751365 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which one were you trying to not miss? < 1441677444 453098 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1441677523 912306 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, here's an esolang. < 1441677573 860269 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Memory is an array of numbers, initially the program source, followed by infinitely many zeros. < 1441677583 967939 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Execution consists of doing the following forever. < 1441677595 546020 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : @tell fuinho_doido I have no clue what kind of search that is. Why did you ask me? <-- note that lambdabot isn't very reliable unless you know the other person is a regular in a channel with it < 1441677616 151058 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doing the following which is what? < 1441677618 521097 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :First, let x, y, and z be the values at the first three memory positions. Second, shift everything in memory three cells to the left. Third, copy z numbers from address x to address y. < 1441677621 606387 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Oh. < 1441677623 87762 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um. < 1441677628 599411 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who made LambdaBot anyway? < 1441677637 411826 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: there's MemoServ which is a network-wide thing < 1441677640 580852 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cale, I think... maybe? < 1441677647 691016 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :for that, they need to be registered, though < 1441677670 839458 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...and they aren't. < 1441677702 384252 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: OK. Is there any I/O operation? < 1441677721 689647 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: int-e is the current maintainer. the bot is more than 10 years old, though. < 1441677733 468592 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa < 1441677736 193902 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: nope. < 1441677743 226013 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION worships int-e < 1441677744 150956 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1441677761 533519 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh that's eerily close, it was registered august 31 2005 < 1441677771 355797 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's also no way to halt. < 1441677808 452767 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: the features were made by lots of people, and are of varying quality. < 1441677826 650382 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interesting < 1441677828 965504 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(@src *gah*) < 1441677848 948535 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@version < 1441677849 112859 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot 5.0.3 < 1441677849 112947 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :git clone https://github.com/lambdabot/lambdabot < 1441677889 301275 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think technically int-e is not the repo owner < 1441677935 880043 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm it's apparently equal status now < 1441678006 61648 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a small ancestral part, in the @unlambda implementation < 1441678026 518443 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cool < 1441678030 44680 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't put it into lambdabot, someone else adapted my code < 1441678033 199509 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I kind of want to make a shitty bot now < 1441678035 339682 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just for fun < 1441678071 80216 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have made up a IRC bot in C which uses SQLite < 1441678088 231998 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1441678096 871579 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If there are no triggers in the database then it will just log the messages it receives, but you can add triggers and views and other stuff to make it to a lot more of stuff too. < 1441678192 511395 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: i think your esolang cannot be TC since there's always a bound on the numbers < 1441678195 797351 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does provide SQL function for sending the stuff back to the server, so you can use that within a trigger-program in order to allow it to reply. It also provides a collation for comparing IRC nicknames with ISO 646, so that can also be used < 1441678203 200028 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: right, it's an FSM. < 1441678256 637076 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what kinds of functionality shall I add? < 1441678304 653312 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`loudly This. < 1441678305 334894 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​04,09T09,04h04,09i09,04s04,09. < 1441678330 850063 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That command is probably my greatest accomplishment ever. < 1441678344 805576 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's settle down < 1441678349 189261 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not THAT good of a programmer < 1441678351 925660 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1441678482 386503 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, can you automatically turn the string "hello world" into "-h_e-l_l-o_ -w_o-r_l-d"? < 1441678487 862115 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because that's essentially what this is doing. < 1441678499 698064 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps I should implement polls? < 1441678505 515409 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For voting and stuff? < 1441678511 399147 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: i'm pretty sure /// is a greater accomplishment than that hth < 1441678567 633553 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you're right. < 1441678570 356302 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have thought of using NS SET PROPERTY to implement polls < 1441678655 112613 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another way is RDF survey. < 1441678691 850611 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I add a "_mourn" feauture < 1441678695 968038 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*feature? < 1441678717 223552 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically, when a user leaves, it rather annoyingly mourns their "death" on command < 1441678719 54075 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO < 1441678729 675315 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :USERNAME! < 1441678744 117614 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(S)HE WAS SO YO-O-O-OUNG < 1441678746 612998 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sobs < 1441678750 441526 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOOOOO < 1441678756 527150 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO! NO! NO! NO! < 1441678759 442916 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHYYYYYYYYYYYYY? < 1441678763 377388 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Et cetera. < 1441678765 968608 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think not. < 1441678775 782461 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You would have to tell it to < 1441678780 344113 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, it is your choice to implement whatever you like to implement < 1441678786 831033 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that would save you from having to implement a separate _banme feature, i guess. < 1441678799 330943 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I won't < 1441678847 454140 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I'll make the bot's trigger "T" < 1441678862 991877 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As T is the most common letter < 1441678930 49882 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately, I lack a server on which to host my bot xD < 1441678935 770667 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*whew* < 1441679029 172274 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's an idea for an esolang: < 1441679034 578190 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :One based entirely on Emotions < 1441679039 847812 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Represented with Emoticons < 1441679045 654724 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not to be confused with Emoticon the language < 1441679058 37770 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This one would actually use human emotions < 1441679060 697334 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :My brother has ask whether or not my new character is allowed to sleep upsidedown but then in order to figure out I had to ask a few other questions to him but he does not know the answer therefore I don't know either. If I asked the other questions in order to figure out maybe would you know? < 1441679112 761173 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls < 1441679115 130676 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​:-( \ 0 \ 113500 \ a \ a.o \ a.out \ argv.py \ bdsmreclist \ bin \ blah \ blah \ blah \ blah \ blah \ blah \ canary \ cat \ Complaints \ :-D \ dc \ dog \ emoticons \ error.log \ etc \ factor \ faith \ fu \ head \ hello \ hello.c \ hi \ hours \ ibin \ index.html?dl=1812 \ interps \ le \ letersort \ lib \ madness \ MaFV \ oerjan \ paste \ people.p < 1441679120 590685 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls Complaints < 1441679121 292452 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Complaints < 1441679127 982520 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls Complaints/ < 1441679128 594739 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls: cannot access Complaints/: Not a directory < 1441679137 224447 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat Complaints < 1441679137 734153 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1441679148 380307 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls Complaints < 1441679149 203726 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Complaints < 1441679151 383825 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`help ls < 1441679151 548037 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Runs arbitrary code in GNU/Linux. Type "`", or "`run " for full shell commands. "`fetch " downloads files. Files saved to $PWD are persistent, and $PWD/bin is in $PATH. $PWD is a mercurial repository, "`revert " can be used to revert to a revision. See http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/ < 1441679163 907571 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` ls -l Complaints < 1441679164 673328 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​-rw-r--r-- 1 5000 0 0 Jun 9 16:23 Complaints < 1441679174 345762 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it's empty? < 1441679201 555677 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`touch Complaints/001.txt < 1441679202 73400 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :touch: cannot touch `Complaints/001.txt': Not a directory < 1441679211 156477 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gah! < 1441679215 1825 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should use unix! < 1441679216 875722 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is not a directory, you can't do like that < 1441679237 501117 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It says on the ls -l how the file is < 1441679263 728980 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`file Complaints < 1441679265 822404 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Complaints: empty < 1441679275 23601 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`touch Complaints/001.txt < 1441679275 651946 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :touch: cannot touch `Complaints/001.txt': Not a directory < 1441679295 772170 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Complaints is an empty file, not an empty directory, so it can't contain files. < 1441679359 435070 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`culprists Complaints < 1441679359 976548 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: culprists: not found < 1441679364 358572 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`culprits Complaints < 1441679367 950009 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e mroman_ mroman_ mroman_ < 1441679390 604374 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oooooooooh < 1441679394 406221 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a file < 1441679402 978989 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/complain < 1441679404 119796 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :print_args_or_input "$@" >> Complaints; echo Complaint filed. Thank you. < 1441679433 122618 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assumed it was a directory given, you know, the lack of FILE EXTENSION < 1441679435 879793 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`url Complaints < 1441679436 608327 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/Complaints < 1441679626 292845 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah it used to be lower case. < 1441679640 418257 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls *omp* < 1441679641 310102 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Complaints < 1441679651 307651 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also it used to be a link) < 1441679886 953549 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's reeeeeally common for Unix people not to bother giving files extensions. < 1441679900 328076 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run file * < 1441679901 683897 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​:-(: UTF-8 Unicode text \ 0: ASCII text \ 113500: ASCII text, with very long lines, with CRLF line terminators \ a: ASCII text \ a.o: ELF 64-bit LSB relocatable, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), not stripped \ a.out: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, x86-64, version 1 (SY < 1441679901 848079 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well the people over at #minecraft are assholes < 1441680116 663481 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds likely < 1441680123 548383 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did they do < 1441680750 781686 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1441681313 617065 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1441681730 955579 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@24.237.158.6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441682069 543514 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving... < 1441682143 899380 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`complain Complaints file lacks file extension making it look like a directory. Which is confusing < 1441682146 45074 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Complaint filed. Thank you. < 1441682224 754830 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat "print_args_or_input "$@" >> Complaints; echo Complaint failed. Thank you." > bin/complain < 1441682225 347582 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat: "print_args_or_input "$@" >> Complaints; echo Complaint failed. Thank you." > bin/complain: No such file or directory < 1441682235 970208 :sc00fy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1441682245 758496 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo "print_args_or_input "$@" >> Complaints; echo Complaint failed. Thank you." > bin/complain < 1441682246 296536 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​"print_args_or_input "$@" >> Complaints; echo Complaint failed. Thank you." > bin/complain < 1441682254 667327 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/complai < 1441682255 172378 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat: bin/complai: No such file or directory < 1441682256 535584 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/complain < 1441682257 52540 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :print_args_or_input "$@" >> Complaints; echo Complaint filed. Thank you. < 1441682343 843193 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is not wrong for a filename to not have extension. < 1441682350 25850 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :On DOS it can be problem but this is UNIX < 1441682481 221211 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's confusing in a command prompt < 1441682502 540357 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run Complaints < 1441682503 197392 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: Complaints: command not found < 1441682504 558862 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is option though to make ls to put / after the directory name or to use different colors for directories < 1441682520 569697 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That option should be enabled by default -_- < 1441682541 576935 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it commonly is in the shell. < 1441682554 738542 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Even in DOS it displays directories differently actually, so not problem much with DOS either) < 1441682595 583198 :Walpurgisnacht!~ah@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441682598 560506 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441682612 646728 :Walpurgisnacht!~ah@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does lambdabot use for its weather command < 1441682641 215536 :Walpurgisnacht!~ah@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or was that hack < 1441682743 860009 :mauris!~mauris@2601:58a:101:2cc0:4001:8005:ff49:1ec9 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441682769 57195 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PART :#esoteric < 1441682979 663119 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`weather < 1441682980 159510 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: weather: not found < 1441683146 525238 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1441683546 205223 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So... < 1441683552 219543 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@weather < 1441683552 439254 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1441683554 618990 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@list < 1441683554 802461 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :What module? Try @listmodules for some ideas. < 1441683558 796831 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@listmodules < 1441683558 975881 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :activity base bf check compose dice dict djinn dummy elite eval filter free fresh haddock help hoogle instances irc karma localtime metar more oeis offlineRC pl pointful poll pretty quote search slap source spell system tell ticker todo topic type undo unlambda unmtl version where < 1441683579 323591 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want weather then the command is @metar I think < 1441683593 290144 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar CYVR < 1441683593 774303 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYVR 080300Z 14004KT 20SM BKN053 OVC062 17/10 A3015 RMK SC5SC3 SLP210 < 1441683626 883905 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm... < 1441683636 802913 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Are you the one implementing QUACK? < 1441683669 13996 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you mean QUACKVM then yes, otherwise no < 1441683702 320791 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Other people can implement it too though, or write programs for it, or compilers for it; it is public domain; but I am mainly.) < 1441683728 338959 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What kinds of instructions are there? < 1441683769 558894 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've added Registry, Arithmetical, Trigonometric, IO, and Branching to mine, totalling at 37 instructions < 1441683773 459106 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have any suggestions? < 1441683839 840523 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :See the documentation if you want to know, but I can list them now here: ADD, SUB, MUL, DIV, MOD, AND, OR, XOR, LOAD/SAVE, TIME, COLOR, LOCATE, INPUT, PRINT, GET, PUT, PUSH, POP, UNHUFF, PRINTT, PRINTN, PRINTC, CLS, COPYT, WRITE, CALL, QUIT/RESTART, SOUND, RANDOM, LONGCALC, INTBL, EXTOP. < 1441683856 270130 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh right < 1441683857 624206 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bitwise < 1441683860 995142 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The instruction set is frozen; none will be added. < 1441683862 503571 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll add FileIO later < 1441683901 392252 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Note that LOAD/SAVE are the same opcode, QUIT/RESTART are also the same opcode. Also there are 32 opcodes; that is all that fits.) < 1441683904 70331 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :All registries are 64 bit in this xD < 1441683910 163682 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1441683947 517092 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, this one uses 16-bit memory cells. There are no separate registers; even the program counter is memory-mapped. < 1441683956 452125 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interesting < 1441684009 60470 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The assembler provides GOTO, RETURN, DEC, and INC instructions, but all of those are just built-in macros, not actual instructions. < 1441684085 668980 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cool < 1441684110 630781 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The instruction byte contains the 5-bit opcode, 3-bits per operand (there are three operands), and then one bit tells it that it has a predicate branch and one more bit tells it that it should store its result. < 1441684117 21225 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a monster xDF < 1441684119 965368 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*xD < 1441684124 861119 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm implementing my ISA in Python < 1441684127 546666 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: What do you think of the Mill architecture? < 1441684129 170174 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just the prototype < 1441684132 287862 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But still < 1441684136 525514 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I don't know. < 1441684140 539504 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :xF < 1441684158 45232 :PinealGl1ndOptic!~PinealGla@vps2.conus.info QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1441684160 505352 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: You might like it. < 1441684170 666530 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, what is it? < 1441684190 351681 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The files are just flat binaries < 1441684194 129511 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that a good idea? < 1441684208 37892 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: That can work. < 1441684212 59767 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1441684228 654098 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there something better I could do? < 1441684230 381141 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :QUACKVM binaries consist of a series of banks, where each bank starts with the bank size. < 1441684242 548607 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if you don't need banks then just plain binary data works. < 1441684280 279763 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :trout < 1441684286 32567 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1441684304 548408 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi, variable/trout! < 1441684312 338355 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: hi! < 1441684323 220889 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1441684330 386394 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know anything about binary file formats? < 1441684331 282519 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders what happens if he tries hppavilion[2] or hppavilion[-1] < 1441684335 891901 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: depends on the format < 1441684348 383953 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :now a bit about html, and random archive formats < 1441684350 451952 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The instructions in my system are do more than one thing, such as ADD will add together the first two operands and that will be the result, and then the predicate succeeds if the result is greater than the value of the third operand. < 1441684351 305330 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing about images < 1441684390 536390 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[-1] returns the same as hppavilion[1] as hppavilion is a 1-item list and uses pythonic list comprehension < 1441684420 471120 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(You can ignore the result and/or the predicate due to the instruction encoding; you can even ignore both but that isn't so useful, but it does allow an instruction byte with a value of zero to mean no operation.) < 1441684481 924089 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: oh, I thought it was a C style pointer < 1441684497 627607 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1441684500 972823 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a list index < 1441684534 996027 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's equivalent to hppavilion.get(1), assuming get gets an item from a list < 1441684618 131152 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :My VM supports two files for each program, the ROM file and the disk file (optional); currently only the Minesweeper game uses the disk file (to store game statistics), and it will check if it does not exist and still work correctly without it. < 1441684661 905612 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Both files have the same format, although bank numbering in the ROM file starts at 0 and goes up, while the bank numbering in the disk file starts at -1 and goes down.) < 1441684856 232042 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The instruction set and assembler syntax resemble the Z-machine just a little bit. < 1441684900 884742 :Walpurgisnacht!~ah@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many lines is lambdabot btw < 1441684923 363850 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know < 1441685055 124038 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :However I also wanted to know your opinions about the draft of the document of SOUND and EXTOP commands since those currently are draft. Even if they can be as is, their implementation is remain to be optional < 1441685522 607634 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Wait, I thought the IS was frozen... < 1441685570 432133 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, except the SOUND and EXTOP which aren't even implemented yet. Those instructions are still SOUND and EXTOP, although some details about their semantics are only draft so far < 1441685581 436090 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :should I add devanagari? < 1441685601 697897 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also it is possible in future that further input devices for use with INPUT command might be added, although their implementation will be optional; only device 1 is required < 1441685676 542024 :Walpurgisnacht!~ah@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net QUIT :Quit: Fuck me < 1441685899 956078 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also EXTOP can be used to define extensions; the number of extensions is unlimited. < 1441686019 401461 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugh < 1441686025 306084 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't feel like implementing this xD < 1441686049 224504 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If only I could defer the document to someone else xD < 1441686184 603745 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you post a copy of document to public then anyone could try to implement < 1441686787 389343 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know < 1441686788 637368 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But... < 1441686792 449006 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know xD < 1441686937 19800 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :⌚⌛ < 1441687044 272459 :Thisbe!~Thisbe@2602:306:394b:e110:487f:503b:cbbe:f09f QUIT :Quit: Thisbe < 1441687405 807383 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm manually compiling a file xD < 1441687453 135508 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Manually compiling what file? < 1441687916 995921 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Technically, assembling < 1441687923 562738 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's called SETinstructionexample.asm < 1441687966 596832 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was to demonstrate the... unique behavior of SET in my assembly language to my friends < 1441687972 579381 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have friends :,) < 1441687980 40986 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does the instructions work and what is the unique behavior of SET in your assembly language? < 1441688102 656011 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The instructions are each 2 bytes, followed by a 1 byte arglength indicator, followed by n 8-byte args where n is the ord() of the arglength < 1441688120 443673 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :SET takes a registry and a list of values < 1441688128 387083 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then sets that registry to that value < 1441688134 785849 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then the next registry to the next value < 1441688139 234868 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then the next registry to the next value < 1441688145 888061 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :etc... until it runs out of values < 1441688150 570999 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, OK. < 1441688151 548335 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It makes string handling MUCH easier < 1441688163 897696 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume < 1441688186 980058 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you have different formats of arguments? < 1441688211 280174 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately, not in Taurus 0.1 < 1441688236 531249 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Later editions of Taurus may allow bytes or 16 bit or 32 bit arguments < 1441688248 547342 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But not this first iteration < 1441688260 549380 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you tell I don't know much about low-level programming? xD < 1441688271 1628 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean also though non-constant values and indirection and so on < 1441688275 627660 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1441688276 911807 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1441688280 775708 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's MOV < 1441688317 50573 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I'm pretty sure that's all you need to do infinite registry reference nesting < 1441688387 202934 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are 2**64 registries < 1441688389 297881 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is a lot < 1441688394 959909 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I handle it by using Maps < 1441688406 374613 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only registries that get referenced are actually stored in memory < 1441688407 353276 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slower < 1441688414 599322 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But more memory-efficient < 1441688501 811634 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to go for a bit in a minute < 1441688521 142598 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bai < 1441688566 396922 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDream < 1441688802 957410 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@24.237.158.6 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1441689220 138324 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can a claw on a bat's feet that can be use for sleeping upsidedown to prevent it from being used like a humanoid feet under the assumption that you do not need to walk faster than ten inches per second (by which I mean not running, flying, swimming, climbing, riding in an elevator, or whatever)? < 1441689404 486351 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1441689431 103013 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is the experiment needed to figure out, or only the question? < 1441689952 423454 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441690019 466025 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm back < 1441690029 546451 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 < 1441690952 713411 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to remember an interpreter for a language < 1441690962 948490 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Written in a self-modifying language < 1441691001 32110 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That interprets the language by self-modifying its interpreter until its form is that of the language it's interpreting intstead of the language it's made in < 1441691004 756076 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I can't find that < 1441691084 989073 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :We have too many BF derivatives < 1441691086 270842 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck that < 1441691095 802439 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :We need too many Thue derivatives instead < 1441691769 552812 :impomatic_!~digital_w@81.174.207.110 QUIT :Quit: http://corewar.co.uk < 1441691992 139360 :mauris!~mauris@2601:58a:101:2cc0:4001:8005:ff49:1ec9 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds emmental ish? < 1441692034 171887 :mauris!~mauris@2601:58a:101:2cc0:4001:8005:ff49:1ec9 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it was emmental -> underload < 1441692045 251026 :mauris!~mauris@2601:58a:101:2cc0:4001:8005:ff49:1ec9 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://esolangs.org/wiki/Emmental#Computability_class < 1441692073 788701 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1441693778 496231 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :NEW ESOTERIC OBSESSION: < 1441693784 491015 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weird kinds of Control Flow < 1441694489 623440 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1441695146 535300 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In some variants of INTERCAL there is COME FROM and NEXT FROM, as well as FORGET, and BASIC allows return to optionally specify what line to return to instead of necessarily returning to where it is called from < 1441695792 490966 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc11-sgyl31-2-0-cust296.sgyl.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441695792 669590 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc11-sgyl31-2-0-cust296.sgyl.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Changing host < 1441695792 669668 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1441696834 806822 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1441697505 946154 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1441697636 483000 :zadock!~outsider@cthulhu.tuiasi.ro JOIN :#esoteric < 1441697951 620490 :zadock!~outsider@cthulhu.tuiasi.ro QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1441699007 261822 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like this? http://zzo38computer.org/textfile/miscellaneous/spell < 1441700138 163329 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07J-why14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=44107 5* 03Jabutosama 5* (+2577) 10Created page with "'''J-why''', orginated from sentence ''Just why'', is an esoteric functional program idea which is meant to be as stupid, hard and annoying to program as possible, yet still k..." < 1441701149 278297 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1441701760 274513 :puckipedia!puck@irc.puckipedia.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1441702834 578166 :heddwch!~heddwch@76.8.3.189 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1441702884 213724 :heddwch!~heddwch@76.8.3.189 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441703702 562433 :impomatic_!~digital_w@81.174.207.110 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441703990 78180 :mauris!~mauris@2601:58a:101:2cc0:4001:8005:ff49:1ec9 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1441704359 675736 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1441705842 901881 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-72-199.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1441706064 11416 :bender|!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441706467 741070 :glauxosdever!~alex@ppp-94-66-87-84.home.otenet.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1441707326 470171 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-35-82.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1441707368 332431 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-35-82.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1441707368 496949 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1441708042 243035 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-72-199.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1441708233 980919 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1441708282 377654 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1441709932 573319 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice idea < 1441712389 255249 :rodgort!~rodgort@105.ip-167-114-152.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1441712409 25819 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan "i think technically int-e is not the repo owner" <-- the repo owner is a github organization of which I'm a member < 1441712409 190004 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1441712444 593121 :Virgolang!5e7bc398@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.195.152 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441712873 243908 :virgobeta!~virgobeta@94.123.195.152 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441713075 835697 :virgobeta!~virgobeta@94.123.195.152 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1441713166 317879 :rodgort!~rodgort@105.ip-167-114-152.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441713167 29247 :virgobeta!~virgobeta@94.123.195.152 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441713178 40597 :virgobeta!~virgobeta@94.123.195.152 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1441713249 62131 :virgobeta!~virgobeta@94.123.195.152 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441713300 606150 :virgobeta!~virgobeta@94.123.195.152 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1441713347 906339 :virgobeta!~virgobeta@94.123.195.152 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441713371 669379 :Virgolang!5e7bc398@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.195.152 PRIVMSG #esoteric :&channels < 1441713538 640297 :Virgolang!5e7bc398@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.195.152 PRIVMSG #esoteric :&haha < 1441714081 111570 :virgobeta!~virgobeta@94.123.195.152 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1441714276 188478 :Virgolang!5e7bc398@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.195.152 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@help < 1441714276 392467 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :help . Ask for help for . Try 'list' for all commands < 1441714285 395617 :Virgolang!5e7bc398@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.195.152 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@list < 1441714285 559747 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :What module? Try @listmodules for some ideas. < 1441714290 686712 :Virgolang!5e7bc398@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.195.152 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@listmodule < 1441714290 851370 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :activity base bf check compose dice dict djinn dummy elite eval filter free fresh haddock help hoogle instances irc karma localtime metar more oeis offlineRC pl pointful poll pretty quote search slap source spell system tell ticker todo topic type undo unlambda unmtl version where < 1441714298 835480 :Virgolang!5e7bc398@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.195.152 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@list eval < 1441714299 37372 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :eval provides: run let define letlpaste undefine < 1441714313 406293 :Virgolang!5e7bc398@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.195.152 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@list todo < 1441714313 570609 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :todo provides: todo todo-add < 1441714320 988326 :Virgolang!5e7bc398@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.195.152 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@list poll < 1441714321 152433 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :poll provides: poll-list poll-show poll-add choice-add vote poll-result poll-close poll-remove < 1441714328 934592 :Virgolang!5e7bc398@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.195.152 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@poll-list < 1441714329 98690 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :["dictator-for-life","should-lambdabot-be-more-polite"] < 1441714358 654365 :Virgolang!5e7bc398@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.195.152 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@poll-show should-lambdabot-be-more-polite < 1441714358 818429 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :["maybe","no","yes"] < 1441714373 41202 :Virgolang!5e7bc398@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.195.152 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@choice-add should-lambdabot-be-more-polite yes < 1441714373 205873 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :New candidate "yes", added to poll "should-lambdabot-be-more-polite". < 1441714387 25804 :Virgolang!5e7bc398@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.195.152 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@poll-result should-lambdabot-be-more-polite < 1441714387 189978 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Poll results for should-lambdabot-be-more-polite (Closed): yes=0, maybe=6, no=13, yes=8 < 1441714403 309631 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1441714461 765355 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1441714470 781379 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@poll-vote should-lambdabot-be-more-polite yes < 1441714470 946898 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1441714473 749523 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@poll-vote should-lambdabot-be-more-polite no < 1441714473 913513 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1441714483 672838 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@vote should-lambdabot-be-more-polite no < 1441714483 837031 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "should-lambdabot-be-more-polite" poll is closed, sorry ! < 1441714499 180299 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@poll-show dictator-for-life < 1441714499 344321 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :["monochrom"] < 1441714505 770031 :virgobeta!~virgobeta@94.123.195.152 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441714611 428027 :virgobeta!~virgobeta@94.123.195.152 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1441714893 607254 :Virgolang!5e7bc398@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.195.152 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1441715202 95497 :virgobeta!~virgobeta@94.123.195.152 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441715397 950910 :impomatic_!~digital_w@81.174.207.110 PART :#esoteric < 1441715933 258668 :athenabot!~athenabot@59.189.183.6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441716057 16694 :virgobeta!~virgobeta@94.123.195.152 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1441716317 327676 :glauxosdever!~alex@ppp-94-66-87-84.home.otenet.gr PRIVMSG #esoteric :ath.bf < 1441716317 749757 :athenabot!~athenabot@59.189.183.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Output: [NON EXISTENT CHARACTER: 0] < 1441716327 736048 :glauxosdever!~alex@ppp-94-66-87-84.home.otenet.gr PRIVMSG #esoteric :ath.bf ++ < 1441716328 136986 :athenabot!~athenabot@59.189.183.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Output: < 1441716432 540038 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1441716556 402362 :glauxosdever!~alex@ppp-94-66-87-84.home.otenet.gr PRIVMSG #esoteric :ath.bf ++[--> < 1441716556 834867 :athenabot!~athenabot@59.189.183.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Missing ']' < 1441716563 87750 :glauxosdever!~alex@ppp-94-66-87-84.home.otenet.gr PRIVMSG #esoteric :ath.bf ++[-->] < 1441716563 537627 :athenabot!~athenabot@59.189.183.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Output: < 1441716575 587787 :glauxosdever!~alex@ppp-94-66-87-84.home.otenet.gr PRIVMSG #esoteric :What did it do? < 1441716654 777651 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ath.bf ++++++[>+++++++++++<-]>. < 1441716655 197065 :athenabot!~athenabot@59.189.183.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Output: B < 1441716658 349380 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :works fine < 1441716672 691826 :glauxosdever!~alex@ppp-94-66-87-84.home.otenet.gr PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just don't know bf. < 1441716688 495420 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how the hell did you get here? < 1441716691 961391 :glauxosdever!~alex@ppp-94-66-87-84.home.otenet.gr PRIVMSG #esoteric :+++++[<++<-] < 1441716698 304514 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1441716704 58707 :glauxosdever!~alex@ppp-94-66-87-84.home.otenet.gr PRIVMSG #esoteric :ath.bf +++++[<++<-] < 1441716704 469797 :athenabot!~athenabot@59.189.183.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Output: < 1441716719 599679 :Virgoxx!5e7bc398@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.195.152 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441716719 869928 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you really don't < 1441716755 964988 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ath.bf ++++++[>+++++++++++<-]>.++++. < 1441716756 357697 :athenabot!~athenabot@59.189.183.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Output: BF < 1441716768 637446 :Virgoxx!5e7bc398@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.195.152 PRIVMSG #esoteric :o_0 < 1441716779 641979 :Virgoxx!5e7bc398@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.195.152 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i will make an bf interpreter < 1441716794 624196 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are already like a dozen of them < 1441716800 479418 :glauxosdever!~alex@ppp-94-66-87-84.home.otenet.gr PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know someone that has created a bot that handles esoteric languages (athenabot), so I sent it here. < 1441716805 125311 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we even need to make one at university < 1441716837 397193 :glauxosdever!~alex@ppp-94-66-87-84.home.otenet.gr PRIVMSG #esoteric :ath.bf ++++++[>+++++++++++<-]>.++++.-. < 1441716837 794679 :athenabot!~athenabot@59.189.183.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Output: BFE < 1441716848 163814 :glauxosdever!~alex@ppp-94-66-87-84.home.otenet.gr PRIVMSG #esoteric :ath.bf ++++++[>+++++++++++<-]>.++++.-.++++++++++++++++ < 1441716848 586755 :athenabot!~athenabot@59.189.183.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Output: BFE < 1441716851 840899 :glauxosdever!~alex@ppp-94-66-87-84.home.otenet.gr PRIVMSG #esoteric :ath.bf ++++++[>+++++++++++<-]>.++++.-.++++++++++++++++. < 1441716852 186455 :athenabot!~athenabot@59.189.183.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Output: BFEU < 1441716857 201267 :glauxosdever!~alex@ppp-94-66-87-84.home.otenet.gr PRIVMSG #esoteric :ath.bf ++++++[>+++++++++++<-]>.++++.-.++++++++++++++++.- < 1441716857 567670 :athenabot!~athenabot@59.189.183.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Output: BFEU < 1441716860 166626 :glauxosdever!~alex@ppp-94-66-87-84.home.otenet.gr PRIVMSG #esoteric :ath.bf ++++++[>+++++++++++<-]>.++++.-.++++++++++++++++.-. < 1441716860 630550 :athenabot!~athenabot@59.189.183.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Output: BFEUT < 1441716878 30184 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what it basically does is 6*11 which is B < 1441716879 303759 :glauxosdever!~alex@ppp-94-66-87-84.home.otenet.gr PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see how bf is useful... < 1441716882 117047 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :. outputs that < 1441716894 473894 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :welö, i don't see how java is useful < 1441716905 784182 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dozen seems like a low estimate. < 1441716967 691533 :glauxosdever!~alex@ppp-94-66-87-84.home.otenet.gr PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know about java. C and Python are really useful, and Assembly for low level system programming. < 1441717015 941438 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, they all can do nothing more than bf can < 1441717024 705010 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so bf is useful :p < 1441717113 119956 :glauxosdever!~alex@ppp-94-66-87-84.home.otenet.gr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can bf read from and write to individual registers? Maybe to ports? Can it read/save files? < 1441717152 406591 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oif you write an os in it, sure thing < 1441717481 338653 :athenabot!~athenabot@59.189.183.6 QUIT :Quit: Restarting bot after error < 1441717724 458619 :puckipedia!puck@irc.puckipedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1441718903 948654 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441718951 670477 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1441718990 645382 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages- < 1441718990 809402 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e said 1h 49m 41s ago: "i think technically int-e is not the repo owner" <-- the repo owner is a github organization of which I'm a member < 1441719457 652361 :Virgoxx!5e7bc398@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.195.152 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1441719489 604552 :Virgolang!5e7bc398@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.195.152 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441719515 50465 :virgobeta!~virgobeta@94.123.195.152 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441719548 280047 :glauxosdever!~alex@ppp-94-66-87-84.home.otenet.gr PART :#esoteric < 1441719609 772209 :virgobeta!~virgobeta@94.123.195.152 QUIT :Excess Flood < 1441719870 594537 :Virgolang!5e7bc398@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.195.152 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1441720587 623839 :Virgolang!5e7bc398@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.195.152 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441720626 411621 :virgobeta!~virgobeta@94.123.195.152 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441720661 297443 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1441720667 674520 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441720703 584986 :Virgolang!5e7bc398@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.195.152 PART :#esoteric < 1441720762 935898 :virgobeta!~virgobeta@94.123.195.152 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1441720839 136842 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441720986 291392 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1441721078 204054 :virgobeta!~virgobeta@94.123.195.152 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441721087 273070 :virgobeta!~virgobeta@94.123.195.152 QUIT :Excess Flood < 1441721168 437768 :Virgolang_!5e7bc398@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.195.152 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441721175 879826 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@2a02:2c40:400::1:6e46 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441721243 670182 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1441721268 906505 :Virgolang_!5e7bc398@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.195.152 NICK :Chiron < 1441721279 887652 :Chiron!5e7bc398@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.195.152 NICK :ChironBeta < 1441721294 611323 :ChironBeta!5e7bc398@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.195.152 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how to register nickname?? < 1441721316 308430 :ChironBeta!5e7bc398@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.195.152 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help < 1441721316 473223 :zemhill!bfjoust@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ChironBeta: I do !zjoust; see http://zem.fi/bfjoust/ for more information. < 1441721316 637632 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​help: General commands: !help, !info, !bf_txtgen. See also !help languages, !help userinterps. You can get help on some commands by typing !help . < 1441721331 511097 :ChironBeta!5e7bc398@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.195.152 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!zjoust < 1441721331 675281 :zemhill!bfjoust@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ChironBeta: "!zjoust progname code". See http://zem.fi/bfjoust/ for documentation. < 1441721352 657872 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not what you want if you want to register a nickname. < 1441721357 305682 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://freenode.net/faq.shtml#userregistration would be more like it. < 1441721829 747435 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-72-199.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1441721904 290990 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-200-6.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1441721914 563714 :ChironBeta!5e7bc398@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.195.152 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am calling my bot < 1441721931 32059 :ChironBeta!5e7bc398@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.195.152 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has one difference < 1441721942 766438 :ChironBeta!5e7bc398@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.195.152 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you send commands to it via pm < 1441721959 689577 :ChironBeta!5e7bc398@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.195.152 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to prevent channel cluttering < 1441721974 15606 :ChironBeta!5e7bc398@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.195.152 PRIVMSG #esoteric :when even it is on another channel < 1441721982 938053 :ChironBeta!5e7bc398@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.195.152 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can send commands to it. < 1441722306 614890 :ChironBeta!5e7bc398@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.195.152 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1441722309 272038 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would think most bots accept private messages. < 1441722648 594626 :Virgolang!5e7bc740@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.199.64 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441723147 560774 :x10A94!~x10A94@178.252.73.97 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441723796 382310 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH JOIN :#esoteric < 1441723854 253309 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-200-6.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1441724296 300159 :MDream!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDude < 1441724533 846602 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know answer of any of my previously questions? < 1441724721 653331 :Virgolang!5e7bc740@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.199.64 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1441724769 598628 :Virgolang!5e7bc740@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.199.64 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441724826 831169 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@2a02:2c40:400::1:6e46 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1441724872 645304 :Virgolang_!5e7bc740@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.199.64 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441724879 402510 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.190.253.145 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441724924 737240 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: what questions? < 1441724929 590313 :marginale!~marginale@94.123.199.64 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441724937 744888 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's one about http://zzo38computer.org/textfile/miscellaneous/spell < 1441724946 291950 :marginale!~marginale@94.123.199.64 PART :#esoteric < 1441725017 250028 :marginale!~marginale@94.123.199.64 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441725030 609049 :marginale!~marginale@94.123.199.64 PART :#esoteric < 1441725076 57240 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Swap two ability scores of the target." -- That's a bit scary, that can instakill by swapping Con with a zero Str. When it doesn't instakill, how permanent is it? < 1441725078 599859 :Virgolang!5e7bc740@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.199.64 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1441725095 902888 :bender|!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1441725161 876838 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Link two objects so that whatever is written on one (including pictures) is duplicated on the other; does not duplicate magical properties." -- for how long are they linked? permanently? < 1441725286 381001 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Delay a spell so that it starts as soon as another spell ends" -- how would this work excatly? could be good, but needs more details. < 1441725317 925588 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1441725354 249456 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Detect the weight and volume of an object in range without touching it." -- hmm, is this something you almost never cast, and learn the spell only to craft magical weight scales that non-caster farmers can then use on a market to sell their products? < 1441725361 152733 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe the saving throw of swapping ability score is increase by their difference, or only affect willing targets, or only affect the caster, or whatever. < 1441725364 565826 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Increase target's carrying capacity without otherwise affecting the < 1441725407 905439 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :strength or size or weight of the target." -- hmm, can it bring a very strong monster past its maximum carrying capacity? or does it work only on weak monsters, such as yourself as a caster? < 1441725434 122215 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, does this even target a monster, or an item instead, like a BoH? < 1441725453 612728 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It only increases carrying capacity so it cannot bring anyone past their maximum, unless they carry too much stuff before the spell expires < 1441725483 833141 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Heal hit points up to the next Fibonacci number." -- shouldn't that be the second next fibonacci number instead, so it heals a lot even when the hp is a bit less than a fibonacci number? and what does it do exactly for hp=1 or for non-positive hp? < 1441725510 342808 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaaah what's the topos of trees < 1441725518 104772 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What bit of maths is that from, < 1441725523 690761 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For HP 1 or less it would do nothing I suppose maybe? < 1441725543 633703 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I mean, can it increase you past the hard cap of carrying capacity that you'd get if you were a very strong monster? Nethack has such a hard cap of 1000 weight units, no matter what type of monster or how strong you are, but maybe D&D doesn't. < 1441725580 555199 :nycs!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1441725583 760804 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eg. if the target is already of strength 30 and is a beast of burden with a special ability to have extra carrying capacity when the stuff is on their saddle, does it still increase their carrying cap? < 1441725608 420454 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :As far as I know D&D doesn't, so yes it may increase carrying capacity beyond whatever, I think < 1441725636 220717 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Cause a circular area of the ground to rotate." -- sounds good, but for how long duration? how deep does it go? can I use this to burst water pipes in a building? < 1441725666 67800 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Make any spell language-dependent." -- what does that mean? < 1441725701 445292 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Penalize target for any magic they are using." -- sure, that can work if you balance it right. < 1441725714 242425 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, any magic, not only spells? < 1441725716 178628 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :even items? < 1441725716 896720 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1441725726 170278 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those are good question, some details I don't know (including the spell level) so I didn't mention them. < 1441725752 37897 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I would expect most durations aren't very long (you could use metamagic to extend them), but some might last longer < 1441725752 321109 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Automatically alphabetize the pages of a book." -- um, one page as a unit, or can it move entries around within a page too? < 1441725794 179190 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, I have a non-D&D question related to that < 1441725795 636700 :Virgolang_!5e7bc740@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.199.64 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the list < 1441725808 235143 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://scifi.stackexchange.com/q/95289/4918 < 1441725873 960061 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Make any spell language-dependent" would mean you can make up a language-dependent fireball so that it does not damage those who do not speak your language, was my idea < 1441725887 524991 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Use one spell to determine which of two other spells to apply." -- as in a low-leve divination spell? sure, could work < 1441725919 781 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah! can it work the other way, damaging only those who don't speak that language? < 1441725937 940998 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :this could be useful, yes < 1441725948 131196 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: No, language-dependent doesn't work that way, unless you apply language-dependency to a protection spell instead and then cast the damaging spell as normal. < 1441725963 12603 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm ok < 1441726024 899138 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can try to use this language-dependent fireball to fry elven spies who speak elven, with some false positives. would cull cultural diversity quickly if it spreaded. < 1441726033 701251 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes, it's a good idea. < 1441726078 744432 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Suppress a spell during even-numbered rounds of its duration." -- oh no, phasing! < 1441726132 436662 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Delay a spell according to weight or hit points of target." -- um what? this coudl mean anything, just like that other delay thing. < 1441726144 556032 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Create an extra timelike dimension." -- um... I don't see how that would work < 1441726160 421449 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Change an effect that normally has a minimum of 1 or 0 to instead have < 1441726176 428710 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no minimum (e.g. 3 damage with DR 5 heals you 2 points)." -- no way. not without some very strong limits enumerating on what it can do. otherwise this can break everything. < 1441726182 555219 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I do not see how "Create an extra timelike dimension" would work either; that one is just strange < 1441726207 932922 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: My limits in my mind were a 9th-level spell that affects only one thing one time, but maybe that isn't enough I don't know < 1441726276 396551 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, it will allow you to summon -100 fiendish wolves with a Summon Monster II spell < 1441726322 39725 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe not < 1441726325 640540 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but crazy stuff like that < 1441726352 613749 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Summon Monster II doesn't seem to work that way < 1441726388 744436 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't allow you to select how many < 1441726395 96165 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, that spell is basically like Look at Me, I'm R&D, which is something you can never allow outside silver bordered land < 1441726428 781437 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I didn't intend it would affect any number you choose anyways; only calculated results can be affected. < 1441726432 105688 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it removes a limit? < 1441726436 530552 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/alevchuk/vim-clutch awesome < 1441726456 408034 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then it's like that hypothetical card that removes a word from a card, which was too scary to even be silver-bordered. < 1441726463 931630 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :From the text of a card that is. < 1441726468 866209 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or a sentence or something. < 1441726482 17738 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just no. < 1441726506 56070 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Detect if an item is a suitable component for a spell." -- sure, good idea < 1441726511 366602 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :we always need more divination spells < 1441726525 940662 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Variant of True Seeing: Simply view things as if all magic was absent." -- um... I dunno < 1441726546 936037 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least my brother, as well as the DM of the game I am in, likes that variant of True Seeing < 1441726562 184590 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Make a single dice roll in advance." -- hmm, isn't that basically like a re-roll one dice ability, just a bit better? < 1441726585 251728 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, maybe not, because it doesn't easily let you re-roll multiple dice that are rolled together. < 1441726604 132398 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Feign invisibility." -- what is that? an SEP field? < 1441726608 398751 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes it is better, sometimes worse, I suppose. < 1441726615 300356 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even know what "SEP field" means? < 1441726629 63443 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in the Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy < 1441726655 800788 :marginale!~marginale@94.123.199.64 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441726668 532816 :rodgort!~rodgort@105.ip-167-114-152.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1441726673 211328 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what SEP means; luckily it's somebody else's problem < 1441726687 748458 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Create a map of the area (only fixed features)." -- magic mapping, sure < 1441726700 34103 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: Thank you I didn't know that! I don't really need such thing but it can be helpful to know how these footpedal are hacked to be programmed for released < 1441726712 200151 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Change an object into its mirror-image form." -- uh, is this a spell that requires biochemistry knowledge to DM or something? < 1441726737 87227 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: anitmatter takes care of itself quickly < 1441726741 12319 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :*antimatter < 1441726747 817400 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually I wrote some draft like that once and it said it explicitly does not affect biochemistry or antimatter or whatever. < 1441726748 543762 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Make any surface into a mirror." -- ok < 1441726761 747860 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :as long as it's some ordinary cheap mirror, not a very valuable one < 1441726775 484001 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: heh, can that be used to blind monsters? < 1441726785 164036 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, an ordinary cheap mirror. < 1441726802 131625 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: probably no, you can't target them < 1441726804 395202 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(turning the surface of their eyes into a mirror < 1441726806 389212 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1441726823 128923 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No you can't do that you have to target unattended object or your own object < 1441726834 280463 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: no, that'd be similar to targetting an item in their inventoyr, it's banned for normal magic that targets object, except when explicitly written. < 1441726886 479709 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Force target to decide his action in advance." -- oh, can work, as long as it doesn't last very long < 1441726943 198823 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Redirect damage from summoned creatures to yourself." -- sure, at least if you have to cast this when they're not very far from you, like within your visual range < 1441726989 830803 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Apply metamagic to opponent's spell." -- ugh... I'm not sure. this would have to restrict what kind of metamagic, at which point it's better to have separate spells for slowing down an opponent's spell, delaying it, reducing its effect, etc. < 1441727018 584527 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Save part of the duration of a spell for later." -- could work, at least in most cases. < 1441727042 809585 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but only if it requires you to still hold that spell slot as used as long as you're saving the spell < 1441727057 373365 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise you could delay spells for a year and then discharge them all in a battle < 1441727065 964092 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gain a temporary slot prepared with the spell that would be the least < 1441727071 670626 :rodgort!~rodgort@105.ip-167-114-152.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441727078 713314 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes you have to still hold the slot and there would be a limited amount too, you can't save it indefinitely! < 1441727083 184277 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :useful one in the current situation. -- um... that sounds very useless, but ok < 1441727123 481983 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, why'd you ever cast that, instead of just preparing or casting a useless spell to that slot? < 1441727125 37199 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: It is a kind of divination, so not too useless. And even if they think it is the least useful one, you could figure out how to use it anyways... < 1441727177 220190 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd just prepare some other mostly useless spell instead. < 1441727183 431250 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see what I'd lose. < 1441727221 836329 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Change one gem into another of equal value." -- a restricted transmutation on items? sure! < 1441727231 445856 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but needs some limits on the quantity probably < 1441727265 608560 :marginale!~marginale@94.123.199.64 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1441727286 755444 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes clearly does have limit on quantity, like most spells would have. < 1441727316 407654 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Cause target to believe he is your parent." -- what? a Darth Vader spell? < 1441727373 109196 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Create coloured water (functions like normal water)." -- um, if this didn't exist, couldn't you just use prestidigitation to create those kinds of paints they use to debug where the cooling liquid pipes of a car is leaking? < 1441727391 525308 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but ok, it could work as a spell < 1441727399 522398 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prestidigitation may make it temporary I think < 1441727406 223473 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just that I think those paints are very cheap so it's not worth a spell slot < 1441727411 850405 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you _want_ it temporary < 1441727424 836009 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need it for up to a few days, until you've debugged the problem < 1441727445 991603 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's temporary, you won't have stains remaining on the insides of the car < 1441727477 492518 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you could make a more powerful variant: < 1441727483 853565 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but this isn't to do pipes in the car, there isn't the such thing in this game. It is so you can do in the time of just one spell to create it work colours < 1441727496 747879 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In place < 1441727539 435554 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mark water or oil in such a way that it's not colored or radioactive or changed in its function, but you can still detect it with some magical means easily. < 1441727565 760807 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That isn't my intention though < 1441727582 518191 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would be useful for doctors, because they could apply it more easily than the current methods which generally require radioactivity or other markers. < 1441727592 876000 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the level could depend on how detailed image you can get. < 1441727615 798282 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eg. to get something like a high-powered MR image with contrast material, you'd need a high-level detection spell. < 1441727650 499950 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But to just find in which of two bays the underground river flows into, you'd need a lower level detection spell. < 1441727829 884176 :Virgolang_!5e7bc740@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.199.64 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1441727908 591481 :Virgolang_!5e7bc740@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.199.64 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441727931 968499 :marginale!~marginale@94.123.199.64 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441728208 27433 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :One example of apply metamagic to opponent's spell might be to extend the duration of an opponent's spell without their knowledge < 1441728239 44565 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But it isn't limited to opponent's either; you can use with other spellcaster on your team too) < 1441728346 37885 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :without their knowledge? < 1441728397 567538 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :One example of causing one spell to start when another one ends might be, that Drawmij's Instant Summons is discharged when you summon an item so that can trigger another spell, or Explosive Runes will be discharged when the runes exploded, or Invisibility ends once all targets of the spell have attacked, etc < 1441728526 303932 :marginale!~marginale@94.123.199.64 QUIT :Excess Flood < 1441728583 2489 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It also doesn't work if the spell used to cause this delay expires before the other one does.) < 1441728651 232124 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also some spells have random durations so it could be affected by that too < 1441728687 252681 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you answer my other questions though before I posted that list of spell? < 1441728727 788963 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :What were your other questions? < 1441728770 312979 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :See in the log what it was < 1441728774 596248 :Virgolang_!5e7bc740@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.199.64 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1441728796 565979 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.190.253.145 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1441728831 708680 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I will find and copy it, let me see < 1441728831 904161 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Can a claw on a bat's feet that can be use for sleeping upsidedown to prevent it from being used like a humanoid feet under the assumption that you do not need to walk faster than ten inches per second (by which I mean not running, flying, swimming, climbing, riding in an elevator, or whatever)?" < 1441728838 963288 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes that is one of them < 1441728894 649575 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know that one. < 1441728901 741030 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't see any other question. < 1441728938 756162 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, I hoped someone would know this answer (but I did also post another question, is the experiment required?) < 1441728944 759051 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I did post many other questions < 1441729096 309083 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But my brother did not know the answer either; he asked me a question and I replied with another question in order to guess the answer < 1441729289 19420 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How would you make such an experiment anyways? < 1441729842 74417 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But my other (unrelated) question was if you have any objections to the definition of SOUND and EXTOP opcodes of QUACKVM before they are made finalized. < 1441731013 606215 :Virgolang_!5e7bc740@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.199.64 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441731048 313090 :marginale!~marginale@94.123.199.64 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441731219 94127 :marginale!~marginale@94.123.199.64 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1441731270 644959 :Virgolang__!5e7bc740@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.199.64 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441731462 598275 :Virgolang_!5e7bc740@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.199.64 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1441731470 577458 :Virgolang__!5e7bc740@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.199.64 NICK :Virgolang_ < 1441732266 529347 :Virgolang_!5e7bc740@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.199.64 NICK :jerrylorrly < 1441732524 981271 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Whirl14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44108&oldid=36815 5* 0394.62.69.164 5* (-110) 10 < 1441732607 737960 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who does know these questions? < 1441732746 550743 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07CHIQRSX9+14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44109&oldid=40694 5* 0394.62.69.164 5* (+16) 10/* Examples */ < 1441733982 601784 :jerrylorrly!5e7bc740@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.199.64 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1441734794 23716 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kumipaqmspsqlcfb QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1441735369 876132 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441735542 741903 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Do I see the moon shining?" "No, it's just the flames burning" < 1441735631 566888 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does a Sonic the Hedgehog fanfic contain an extended Evillious Chronicles scene? < 1441735663 779541 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know why < 1441735679 897833 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1441735727 369865 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hellu < 1441735755 790976 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh apparently it's a character listening to a song < 1441735771 144244 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.fanfiction.net/s/7427632/3/Xanovias < 1441736588 457203 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE LINK < 1441736590 642500 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT BUUUUUUUUUUUUURNS < 1441736845 198020 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-prsxxlybpjzeldzx JOIN :#esoteric < 1441736889 399278 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :the roof, the roof, the roof is on fire... < 1441737367 586593 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-64-77.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1441737888 825543 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1441738276 946258 :sc00fy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1441738310 939146 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: QUACKVM? where's the draft for that? < 1441738447 483856 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: http://zzo38computer.org/prog/quackvm.zip Most of it is finalized, although the documentation is not yet complete, and some details of SOUND and EXTOP are not finalized < 1441738557 43677 :mihow!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441738663 918625 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have any other question/comment/opinions/complaints about such thing please? < 1441739061 860135 :`^_^!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1441739079 317738 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-200-6.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1441739132 468052 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`olist 1003 < 1441739134 110290 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olist 1003: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly boily nortti < 1441739174 951924 :nycs!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1441739187 68448 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And how can I possibly figure out the answer of my other question? < 1441739188 783415 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :oooh < 1441739261 750218 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`FireFlist < 1441739291 126348 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there such a file as FireFlist? < 1441739323 689274 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo 'echo FireFly Eldis4' > bin/FireFlist < 1441739326 659150 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1441739338 738444 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :`chmod +x bin/FireFlist < 1441739339 243328 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :chmod: missing operand after `+x bin/FireFlist' \ Try `chmod --help' for more information. < 1441739343 206461 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, now it is. < 1441739344 878186 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run chmod +x bin/FireFlist < 1441739347 495898 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1441739364 82614 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, I saw the fireflist < 1441739372 498053 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thought "ooh, I wonder if OOTS updated since I was last online" < 1441739376 930668 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :checked it, found it was only just posted < 1441739382 487478 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then came to the channel to see if anyone had `olisted yet < 1441739387 990593 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In addition to `run there is also `` and ``` which are similar to `run < 1441739396 439446 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: You could just add yourself to olist < 1441739400 974771 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Now you know! < 1441739405 588118 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we've had this conversation before < 1441739406 456642 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/` < 1441739407 24366 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :TIMEFORMAT='real: %lR, user: %lU, sys: %lS' exec bash -c -- "$1" < 1441739409 654577 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/`` < 1441739410 215024 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :export LANG=C; exec bash -c "$@" < 1441739422 774560 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember the conclusion. < 1441739428 226408 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer to read OOTS on my own pace; however, I know that #esoteric cares about being notified ASAP < 1441739446 212220 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I see ensuring that `olists are posted in a timely way as being a service to everyone who's actually on the `olist < 1441739450 734257 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whilst not caring if I myself am late < 1441739519 943414 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`time echo hello < 1441739520 503107 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: time: not found < 1441739528 782417 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are most of my questions too difficult for anyone to answer (including myself)? < 1441739568 486598 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` time echo hello < 1441739569 94244 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :real: 0m0.001s, user: 0m0.000s, sys: 0m0.000s \ hello < 1441739571 122418 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, wait, that'd be `` I guess < 1441739593 566283 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's actually `run. < 1441739603 970308 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/run < 1441739604 603381 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo run run run < 1441739612 962540 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a special command, not a script. < 1441739619 770449 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The `run is a different command clearly < 1441739621 778333 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :For some reason people just started using ``, which actually is bin/`. < 1441739621 946009 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls -l bin/` < 1441739622 630715 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: -c: line 0: unexpected EOF while looking for matching ``' \ bash: -c: line 1: syntax error: unexpected end of file < 1441739633 930279 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls -l bin/"`" < 1441739634 535561 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: -c: line 0: unexpected EOF while looking for matching ``' \ bash: -c: line 1: syntax error: unexpected end of file < 1441739635 931912 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: `` is shorter < 1441739638 771644 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh, right < 1441739642 98268 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls -l bin/"\`" < 1441739642 904969 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​-rwxr-xr-x 1 5000 0 65 Jun 21 02:47 bin/` < 1441739644 61654 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, the `` changes the time output and ``` changes the locale < 1441739644 891239 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I added `! for similar reasons < 1441739657 256140 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/! < 1441739662 678075 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right. < 1441739669 606281 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/sh \ CMD=`echo "$1" | cut -d' ' -f1` \ ARG=`echo "$1" | cut -d' ' -f2-` \ exec ibin/$CMD "$ARG" < 1441739692 46842 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i,i `` ln -s ibin ibid < 1441739693 912419 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, interpreters < 1441739822 708468 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Did you read this? < 1441739848 142503 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1441739856 454363 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: read what? < 1441739871 812313 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The document of the QUACKVM < 1441739876 170895 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :still reading < 1441739886 834308 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: `! is the entire original purpose of HackEgo < 1441739899 934018 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was intended so that we could add esolangs to it ourselves instead of having to bother Gregor < 1441739900 153453 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :As you could see the documentation is currently incomplete. < 1441739901 674437 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nod < 1441739913 946558 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but HackEgo has mostly been used for quotes and "wisdom" (actually foolishness) and rainbow welcomes < 1441739925 464993 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It also does not currently document the assembler, although you can look at the provided files for examples.) < 1441739944 809058 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls ibin < 1441739945 459824 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1l \ 2l \ adjust \ asm \ axo \ bch \ befunge \ befunge98 \ bf \ bf16 \ bf32 \ bf8 \ bf_txtgen \ boolfuck \ c \ cintercal \ clcintercal \ cxx \ dimensifuck \ forth \ glass \ glypho \ haskell \ help \ java \ k \ kipple \ lambda \ lazyk \ linguine \ malbolge \ pbrain \ perl \ qbf \ rail \ rhotor \ sadol \ sceql \ sh \ trigger \ udage01 \ underload \ u < 1441740072 226713 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1441740106 614157 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1441740488 51509 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hellu < 1441740950 613375 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1441742236 325476 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1441742257 420390 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: ok, I have questions < 1441742259 415046 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and comments < 1441742282 667067 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: what I'm missing the most is describing what an instruction contains, eg. what its arguments can be, and what the basic instruction loop is < 1441742290 22037 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be nice if you could tell that now < 1441742509 187914 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: also, how the instructions are encoded, if they're stored in the writable memory < 1441742664 101086 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa I'm looking at the answers for this in quackvm.c < 1441742674 162180 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :still, definitely document it because it matters < 1441742856 921899 :atrapado!~atrapado@unaffiliated/atrapado JOIN :#esoteric < 1441742869 860849 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: You there? < 1441744073 334125 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: ? < 1441744294 150421 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think he's dead < 1441744301 399346 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :@mourn zzo38 < 1441744312 235606 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`mourn zzo38 < 1441744313 181296 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: mourn: not found < 1441744357 288437 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls bin/ < 1441744358 362365 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​` \ `` \ ^.^ \ ̊ \ ! \ ? \ ¿ \ ' \ @ \ * \ ؟ \  \  \  \ 2014 \ 2015 \ 8ball \ 8-ball \ aaaaaaaaa \ addquote \ allquotes \ analogy \ anonlog \ arienvenido \ as86 \ aseen \ benvenuto \ bf \ bienvenido \ blessyou \ botsnack \ bseen \ buttsnack \ calc \ cAt \ CaT \ catcat \ cats \ cc \ cdecl \ c++decl \ chroot \ coins \ CoInS \ complain \ co < 1441744369 826720 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`touch bin/mourn < 1441744374 61148 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1441744383 472643 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo "echo "Alas, poor $@, I knew him well" > bin/mourn < 1441744384 464516 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​"echo "Alas, poor $@, I knew him well" > bin/mourn < 1441744395 803422 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-prsxxlybpjzeldzx QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1441744405 94860 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`bash "echo \"echo "Alas, poor $@, I knew him well\"" > bin/mourn < 1441744405 662987 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: "echo \"echo "Alas, poor $@, I knew him well\"" > bin/mourn: No such file or directory < 1441744430 270532 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`bash "echo \"echo "Alas, poor $@, I knew him well\"" > bin/mourn < 1441744430 791898 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: "echo \"echo "Alas, poor $@, I knew him well\"" > bin/mourn: No such file or directory < 1441744450 800065 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: How do I do this again? < 1441744454 847117 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wtf, the godlike robot thingy can't even give ponies to Galatea? I don't think he's even that powerful. < 1441744473 130954 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run "echo \"echo "Alas, poor $@, I knew him well\"" > bin/mourn < 1441744473 660562 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: -c: line 0: unexpected EOF while looking for matching `"' \ bash: -c: line 1: syntax error: unexpected end of file < 1441744488 730380 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run "echo \"echo "Alas, poor $@, I knew him well\" > bin/mourn" < 1441744489 371155 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: -c: line 0: unexpected EOF while looking for matching `"' \ bash: -c: line 1: syntax error: unexpected end of file < 1441744621 190734 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run "echo \"echo \"Alas, poor $@, I knew him well\"\" > bin/mourn" < 1441744621 866945 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: echo "echo "Alas, poor , I knew him well"" > bin/mourn: No such file or directory < 1441744636 800173 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your outermost quotes are wrong. < 1441744657 738462 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Compare typing literally "something something whatever" in a shell; it's going to look for a command with that names. < 1441744674 270952 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the second-level quotes do not need escaping. < 1441744688 142580 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo "echo \"Alas, poor $@, I knew him well\"" < 1441744688 886342 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo "Alas, poor , I knew him well" < 1441744696 553990 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo "echo \"Alas, poor \$@, I knew him well\"" < 1441744697 258499 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo "Alas, poor $@, I knew him well" < 1441744702 891970 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is something you could now > to a file. < 1441744719 995423 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Using single quotes would have been easier.) < 1441744750 282957 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run "echo \"echo \\\"Alas, poor $@, I knew him well!\\\"\" > bin/mourn" < 1441744750 992648 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: echo "echo \"Alas, poor , I knew him well!\"" > bin/mourn: No such file or directory < 1441744764 476055 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You keep going further. < 1441744775 127318 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo "echo \"Alas, poor \$@, I knew him well\"" > bin/mourn < 1441744777 630866 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1441744779 590528 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`mourn whoever < 1441744780 178493 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: /hackenv/bin/mourn: Permission denied \ /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: /hackenv/bin/mourn: cannot execute: Permission denied < 1441744787 357778 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run chmod +x bin/mourn < 1441744789 77981 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1441744789 565914 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`mourn whoever < 1441744790 222447 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alas, poor whoever, I knew him well < 1441744792 478643 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There you go. < 1441744792 978212 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hopefully that'll go through < 1441744835 975499 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : `run echo "echo \"/me picks up a skull\";echo \"Alas, poor \$@, I knew him well!\"" > bin/mourn < 1441744841 791792 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo "echo \"/me picks up a skull\";echo \"Alas, poor \$@, I knew him well!\"" > bin/mourn < 1441744844 742046 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1441744849 387249 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`mourn someone < 1441744849 888167 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/me picks up a skull \ Alas, poor someone, I knew him well! < 1441744869 316204 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo "echo \"echo \"Alas, poor \$@, I knew him well!\"" > bin/mourn < 1441744872 613161 :x10A94!~x10A94@178.252.73.97 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1441744873 517894 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1441744879 128640 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`mourn whoever < 1441744879 738719 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/bin/mourn: line 1: unexpected EOF while looking for matching `"' \ /hackenv/bin/mourn: line 2: syntax error: unexpected end of file < 1441744894 38524 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo "echo \"Alas, poor \$@, I knew him well\"" > bin/mourn < 1441744895 528234 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1441744900 942996 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`mourn whoever < 1441744901 451226 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alas, poor whoever, I knew him well < 1441744906 297130 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo "echo \"Alas, poor \$@, I knew him well!\"" > bin/mourn < 1441744909 781638 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, he's casting that overpowered death spell that destroys a target without a limit on its hp or level. < 1441744909 963375 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1441744915 355709 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a very scary spell. < 1441744916 792783 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`mourn whoever < 1441744917 426641 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alas, poor whoever, I knew him well! < 1441744979 739269 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1441745170 619993 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1441745465 783149 :heddwch!~heddwch@76.8.3.189 NICK :JustSIDS < 1441745566 782790 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/ well// < 1441745609 927692 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`misquote < 1441745610 516580 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: misquote: not found < 1441745704 235780 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1441745802 438285 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: ping < 1441745814 921802 :JustSIDS!~heddwch@76.8.3.189 NICK :heddwch < 1441745831 960034 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :sortie < 1441745833 418054 :sortie!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1441745840 931653 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1441745866 342297 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1441745968 972226 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1441745971 506582 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :591) Vorpal: your ability to randomly make obvious comments in IRC as if they were profound is not a particularly useful one < 1441745972 416266 :`^_^!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1441746057 352665 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1441746072 586760 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :We should add more possible things to `mourn < 1441746106 762890 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example, NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO < 1441746436 959441 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1441746600 807840 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: OK, I was out but now I am on < 1441746690 219255 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I will document it; as I said the documentation is incomplete. < 1441746800 31008 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: my main problem with this thing is that the program counter is memory-mapped. I hate machines where that's done, because it makes it almost impossible to optimize this system, whether in software or hardware. < 1441746844 919399 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1441746862 511133 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: This way, any indirect store can be a jump if the address is randomly zero, and any indirect load can load from the program counter, so you have to update it in memory before every indirect load, of which an instruction can have more than one. < 1441746903 459514 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Further, I don't think memory-mapping the instruction pointer even gives you any useful advantage in a non-eso language. < 1441746906 690158 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not want to complicate it with a lot of optimization and stuff. Most of the VM (including that part) is now frozen and will not be changed. The documentation isn't though, and some other details also might be changed before done < 1441746924 89816 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: certainly, but this way an implementation can't optimize it either. < 1441746929 323326 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1441746952 640772 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that is true. Still that part won't be changed < 1441746966 949271 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could solve this by saying in the documentation that you're not allowed to store the instruction pointer with indirect stores, and that if you load it indirectly it will give an undefined value. < 1441747036 485805 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Programs already do use stuff like "PUT ,,X" to unconditionally jump to the label X (the included assembler provides a GOTO macro that compiles into this though) < 1441747085 390229 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: why wouldn't you use the non-indirect instructions, ADD or OR for that instead? < 1441747110 199167 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's say OR for simplicity < 1441747114 860677 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The encoding ends up shorter with PUT, for one thing. < 1441747129 471132 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it now? hmm < 1441747146 606321 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes it does < 1441747147 628433 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, minor comments if you can't change this < 1441747166 540823 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :An implementation still could optimize it but it would have to be able to disable the optimization when such things like that occur. < 1441747168 920270 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but document how the instruction format works anyway, because I wouldn't have guessed it from the docsw < 1441747178 70495 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I am currently documenting that. < 1441747178 703319 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :heck, I wouldn't even have guessed that you have the isntructions mapped to the memory < 1441747185 759395 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought they were in a separate code memory < 1441747204 508329 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, so minor comments < 1441747229 423634 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, OK I will mention that they are mapped in the same memory (self-modifying code is also possible) < 1441747270 111098 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can we do "Part of a series on..." boxes on the Wiki? < 1441747283 991344 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :2. in the docs for LOAD/SAVE, it's not clear what starting address in the memory the load/store uses. < 1441747307 517063 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :3. in put, which operand are you writing? the second or the third? < 1441747331 359012 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :4. in PRINTT, s/with any/without any/ < 1441747332 907140 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thank you for noticing that; it is the third. < 1441747360 723086 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I fixed that. (I will store them in the .zip after I finished fixing all of them) < 1441747399 919899 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The starting address for LOAD/SAVE is equal to the size of bank 0. < 1441747405 611939 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :5. in PRINTC, the cursor move control codes you use seem to be strange, I thought they would be 8=move left, 10=move down, 11=move up, 12=move right < 1441747427 378093 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :6. s/corsor/cursor/ < 1441747444 227601 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :7. is there some reason why CLS is a separate instruction rather than a control code for PRINTC? < 1441747465 808479 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know why I did that < 1441747493 689410 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it is true that 10=move down; the documentation was wrong < 1441747497 747222 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I fixed it < 1441747524 744458 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :8. It seems strange to me that you say the multiplication result of MUL isn't allowed to overflow an int16_t. I think you're just making arithmetic unnecessarily difficult with this. Would there be a drawback of making the result always modulo 65536? < 1441747573 615529 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I do not see why it is so important that you would need to be able to do such multiplication, but OK. < 1441747601 981288 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I deleted that paragraph from the errors section now. < 1441747639 180307 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :9. It might be too late for that, but I wondered why you don't have an arithmetic instruction for variable right shift (signed or unsigned, your choice if you document it). < 1441747654 835415 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems to be missing from the instruction set. I know you have a division but still. < 1441747714 525850 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are right I don't, you have to use division instead. < 1441747714 950312 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :10. For SOUND, how can you tell where the packed code ends? Is there a length or terminating code somewhere? Or is it the sign bit of the 32-byte value of which six five-byte values are used? < 1441747724 747772 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello? < 1441747735 938913 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's about all I think < 1441747738 285668 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is the same as the text, which I have not documented. < 1441747739 837321 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: pong < 1441747743 187982 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1441747748 544454 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is the sign bit of each 16-bit cell though. < 1441747752 619562 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can we do, for example, infoboxes in articles? < 1441747753 143284 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1441747759 158490 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or is that part of a plugin Esolangs doesn't have? < 1441747762 947220 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you should mention that in the docs then < 1441747775 935221 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean like a box of links that you can expand at the bottom of an article < 1441747780 151227 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't remember what they're called < 1441747783 671304 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I should add the section about the text packing < 1441747788 166200 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Currently it isn't documented < 1441747820 910962 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No one? < 1441747825 262598 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Answer plz :, < 1441747826 33634 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :( < 1441747846 609624 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you could put a right shift (and some bitwise ops) in the LONGCALC instruction instead. < 1441747862 275140 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: I don't know either, but it could be done with templates I think, no extra plugin is needed < 1441747876 552217 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: OK < 1441747927 256612 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm considering creating an article or series of articles on time and space complexity < 1441747952 669335 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1441748028 184578 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure I understand all of the instruction encoding part of the code though. < 1441748058 542827 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I am documenting that now < 1441748059 801487 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has eight addressing modes for the three input arguments each, plus some magic for both the condition code and the output. < 1441748124 556559 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is correct < 1441748237 42135 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, so longcalc gives the low word of the result as the result, and optionally stores the high word < 1441748318 794060 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It stores both the low and high word optionally. I did not document LONGCALC yet (I have only partially done) < 1441748344 324271 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"stores both the low and high word optionally" that's not what it looked like in the source but ok < 1441748398 20883 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't tell it to store only one; it stores both if told to do so. < 1441748407 967346 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1441748463 927208 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :good night now. < 1441748641 23262 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And actually it is possible I might add a few more control codes into PRINTC to make bold on/off, but I don't expect to add anything more. (If the implementation doesn't support bold then the bold on/off codes do nothing) < 1441748644 287724 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07List of Complexity Classes14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=44110 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+132) 10Created Page < 1441748684 859492 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-64-77.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in < 1441748713 318530 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1441748833 125241 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: um the complexity zoo is thataway < 1441748992 653827 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1441749007 645715 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The page is just for the basic classes < 1441749011 152258 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not the whole zoo xD < 1441749011 854456 :yiyus!1242712427@je.je.je QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1441749770 225322 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1441749850 354504 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1441749971 494997 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1441750029 228232 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So < 1441750043 799124 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Control Flow Weirdness < 1441750235 325857 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-200-6.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1441750241 470927 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone have any ideas? < 1441750260 137726 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, you're my goto (pun intended) user for annoying < 1441750407 383436 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Come From is nice < 1441750416 674622 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But NOT COOL ENOUGH < 1441750433 423339 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I know that < 1441750452 441612 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps a GOTO, PASS THROUGH FROM, and COME FROM statement that must all be used together? < 1441750453 238218 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But then, there is also computed come from < 1441750462 825449 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :True, true < 1441750467 963808 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Conditional Come From < 1441750474 64964 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And computed < 1441750480 46159 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those are /weird/ < 1441750506 186375 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'm looking for something new that could be considered good practice to use < 1441750516 162037 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or awful, awful practice < 1441750526 192682 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What kinds of control flow are there? < 1441750540 801707 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :* if/elif.../else < 1441750547 5463 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :while < 1441750548 785524 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :for < 1441750550 131542 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :foreach < 1441750562 138471 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forgot *s xD < 1441750562 641843 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like setjmp and longjmp as control flow < 1441750566 822865 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do too < 1441750574 817011 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :call/cc < 1441750578 280200 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1441750583 836684 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :call/pc < 1441750588 883437 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Call with Previous Continuation < 1441750599 143624 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1441750631 103993 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Call with Previous Continuation < 1441750635 759368 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No clue what it means < 1441750645 256366 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but... how? < 1441750647 575965 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :and repeat loop < 1441750649 355517 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1441750650 696161 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well < 1441750661 388447 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how call/cc works really < 1441750682 895908 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it'd work like that, but with the previous continuation from the last call/cc or call/pc instead < 1441750696 824942 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it's the first caller in the program, it uses a blank continuation or something < 1441750701 939314 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some programming languages have "arithmetic if". < 1441750714 908754 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe dc would be better if it used arithmetic if for control flow rather than what it currently uses < 1441750724 582217 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441750752 85745 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :dc? < 1441750762 479911 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1441750775 787715 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is arithmetic if the a?b:c thing? < 1441750815 691197 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1441750831 227748 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean the branch target is decided based on whether the input is negative, zero, or positive. < 1441750836 813815 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1441750841 487718 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOWEVER statement perhaps? < 1441750860 191894 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :y=1; < 1441750861 795578 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :x=y, HOWEVER y=5; < 1441750872 289824 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That'd make for some nice obfuscation < 1441750875 207672 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's nothing new < 1441750894 436838 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :foreachif? < 1441750918 835497 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :foreach(x in y if x<5){print(x)} < 1441750949 632574 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1441750952 656341 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember one < 1441750958 167740 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: what does HOWEVER do? < 1441750977 231502 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOWEVER changes the environment, but just for the current instruction < 1441750985 316370 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So that snippet sets x to 5 < 1441750998 865854 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The strong while loop (I don't know what it's called) which is a while loop < 1441751008 581536 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it checks after EVERY statement if it should continue < 1441751029 631181 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have to change positions and might lose wifi < 1441751032 952507 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, bye maybe < 1441751075 868489 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope < 1441751077 276259 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still here < 1441751892 536542 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1441753349 662213 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you done any complicated stuff in TeX? < 1441753545 391590 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :just a phd thesis, nothing complicated... < 1441753556 49482 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION whistles innocently < 1441753651 790831 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think someone has once made up a BASIC interpreter with TeX < 1441753790 230871 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gVd EvniG! I hav invented yet unuDR iGgliS speliG reform pRpOsL! < 1441753816 431286 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have not quite done that, but I have done other things in TeX, including sorting, date calculations (including calculate when is Easter and several other holidays), PBM parser, list manipulation, PGN parser, FEN parser, an imitation of having multiple classes of marks, POSTNET barcode generator, etc < 1441753845 523793 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441753848 255931 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :TeX could do mail merge too without too much difficulty < 1441753854 150846 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren_: oren_ fEndiS < 1441753859 176 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1441753878 85335 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats his keyboard -----### < 1441753898 129906 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cRect! Dats exactlE rIt! < 1441753916 385014 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION slaps his keyboard 3==- NO. < 1441753990 334486 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tot sO < 1441754009 911451 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I stil nEd tU docUment it DO... < 1441754077 888516 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Was your thesis .tex file even TC? < 1441754094 693232 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: unlikely < 1441754118 399019 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the most complicated things in mine (TeXwise) are a few TikZ figures. < 1441754157 910344 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it wasn't even one file, i did some contortions with the page numbering scheme to keep the individual article parts separately compiled < 1441754202 309820 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :This thing is singly compiled (with \input), and it even includes the articles in the resulting PDF. Part of the template. < 1441754280 471588 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You just \addpublication[]{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{} (it takes a lot of arguments) and it adds it to the publication list, the list of author's contributions, adds the article cover divider page thing, and includes PDF content. < 1441754433 555473 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :my figures were made in xfig (hybrid tex / postscript mode) < 1441754463 997201 :atrapado!~atrapado@unaffiliated/atrapado QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1441754552 392041 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have not needed figures so far, although I could do using rules, making symbols with METAFONT, etc, or if it is necessary even to use a program that can make it in PCL format. < 1441754595 131004 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I kind of like TikZ, although there's high chance of wasting time in figuring out how to do something in a fancy declarative way, when you could be done in ten minutes with absolute coordinates. < 1441754626 285727 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.orenwatson.be/speliG.htm < 1441754660 555628 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The "hpfile" special could be used to include any PCL graphics into the document) < 1441754720 361110 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I usually just made a SVG in inkscape and then included it < 1441754726 348062 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :For a course I was half-teaching, I did a lot of TikZ plotting for the exercises. You can call into gnuplot so that on the first round of processing, it writes some files you run gnuplot on, and then later it uses the results from gnuplot to draw the figures. < 1441754751 955065 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It can also call gnuplot on its own, but that requires some flags to let TeX call external programs. < 1441754982 588849 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :enE coments on mI nU speliG sistM? < 1441754989 271869 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Once I did try to include a picture in a TeX document by converting the picture into PCL format with ImageMagick and then referencing it, but I just got a mess on the output; do you know what is wrong? (Nevertheless I was able to fix it by using PBM instead) < 1441755063 767640 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dU pEpL rElE distribyUt TeX fILs? < 1441755081 490120 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :only zzo38 < 1441755310 645638 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sE. jenRLE yU cNvert it tU PDF fRst. < 1441755468 767559 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would use TeX->DVI->PCL < 1441755498 442891 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Possibly with additional postprocessing steps after the DVI is created, in order to reorder pages for bookbinding or whatever) < 1441755643 124560 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most things can be done in TeX but some things might not so you might put in specials which are used by various DVI->DVI filters. < 1441756722 807841 :bender|!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441757177 847922 :yiyus!~124271242@je.je.je JOIN :#esoteric < 1441757358 253860 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net TOPIC #esoteric :The fnord never fnords fnord in the fnord fnord | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ | http://esolangs.org/ < 1441757372 349240 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That may be the stupidest thing I've ever done < 1441757438 892001 :mihow!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1441757550 454472 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :The never in the what? < 1441757648 29584 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you can't spell "whenever" without fnord "never" < 1441757883 144169 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :very ominously put there < 1441758110 96601 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: tell oerjan what's up < 1441758110 403020 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: memo from yome: tell minion yow! < 1441758126 514024 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@yow < 1441758126 678122 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Talking Pinhead Blues: < 1441758126 678213 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I LOST my ``HELLO KITTY'' DOLL and I get BAD reception on channel < 1441758126 678245 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : TWENTY-SIX!! < 1441758126 678275 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1441758126 678304 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Th'HOSTESS FACTORY is closin' down and I just heard ZASU PITTS has been < 1441758128 556363 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :[7 @more lines] < 1441758137 208787 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@more < 1441758137 372978 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : DEAD for YEARS.. (sniff) < 1441758137 373061 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1441758137 373085 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :My PLATFORM SHOE collection was CHEWED up by th' dog, ALEXANDER HAIG < 1441758137 373108 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : won't let me take a SHOWER 'til Easter ... (snurf) < 1441758138 575060 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1441758140 570449 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I went to the kitchen, but WALNUT PANELING whup me upside mah HAID!! < 1441758142 560240 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : (on no, no, no.. Heh, heh) < 1441758149 112767 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :tdnh < 1441758238 997638 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1441758340 388727 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what lambdabot's voice sounds like < 1441758348 281201 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@@ < 1441758359 631865 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@a < 1441758359 798394 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you meant: activity activity-full admin all-dicts arr ask auto-reply auto-reply? v @ ? . < 1441758377 109956 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@. < 1441758377 293176 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not enough arguments to @. < 1441758382 955489 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@help . < 1441758383 119668 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :. [args]. < 1441758383 119747 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :. [or compose] is the composition of two plugins < 1441758383 119768 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : The following semantics are used: . f g xs == g xs >>= f < 1441758447 620643 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does one obtain lambdabot on one's channel? < 1441758459 559518 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps by... /BLACK MAGIC!/ < 1441758466 440202 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION starts an inquisition < 1441758472 199071 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you try using the INVITE command? < 1441758478 643907 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1441758482 815622 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just have no clue how it works < 1441758488 640135 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then read the help file < 1441758488 995770 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm /still/ an IRC n00b < 1441758507 739535 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The server has a help file to explain its working. < 1441758522 371624 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :eAh < 1441758523 911457 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Ah < 1441758763 423436 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1441758777 44591 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried /invite lambdabot < 1441758785 65350 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know where to find the help file xD < 1441758837 808061 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@install < 1441758838 9865 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not enough privileges < 1441758840 845582 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@help < 1441758841 9923 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :help . Ask for help for . Try 'list' for all commands < 1441758846 39503 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@help installing < 1441758846 206340 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :help . Ask for help for . Try 'list' for all commands < 1441758857 677704 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The help file is the HELP command on the server < 1441758888 782189 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The command you need to send is the "HELP INVITE" I don't know what IRC client you are using, see how you access server help file using it < 1441758923 289469 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't recall lambdabot responding to invite, i think you need to be an admin to make it join channels. < 1441758946 460214 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1441758953 283940 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or you could be shachaf unless someone's closed the loophole < 1441759012 677308 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@join < 1441759012 841524 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not enough privileges < 1441759030 335326 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that's the one < 1441759666 110102 :jameseb!~jameseb_@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1441759671 199878 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Im bac! helO hppavilion[1] < 1441759680 798849 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hallu < 1441759686 316949 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hallued grounds < 1441759701 433034 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :halewd < 1441759728 890781 :skarn!skarn@unaffiliated/skarn QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1441759729 92614 :fractal!~fractal@unaffiliated/scounder QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1441759761 97635 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.orenwatson.be/speliG.htm <- wut dU yU TiGk uv Dis? < 1441759763 795267 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm making a skypebot! < 1441759776 881857 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like HackBot, but in skype! < 1441759785 829931 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And without hackboty features! < 1441759793 120675 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I'm not smart enough to do that safely! < 1441759814 245977 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren_: Ooooh pretty < 1441759833 939150 :pikhq_!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1441759838 647914 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is is u speliG reform pRpOsL < 1441759857 842206 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interesting < 1441759962 818571 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh weL. < 1441759970 459488 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Du IdEu is Dat it is ferlE clOs tU cRNt speliG and CatspEk < 1441760049 327746 :jameseb!~jameseb_@runciman.hacksoc.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1441760052 813848 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ol lowRcAs letRs are Du sAm, onlE upRcAs letRs hav nU sWnds < 1441760089 748379 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/are/ar < 1441760166 369609 :skarn!skarn@unaffiliated/skarn JOIN :#esoteric < 1441760257 161371 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sO mOst pEpL can figR it Wt frum context espeSLE bEcuz letRs lIk x,c,q,y retAn Der orijNL mEniG < 1441760312 950629 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441760456 138879 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dus it strIks u balNs betwEn tradiSNL speliG and fNetic speliG < 1441760631 829814 :fractal!~fractal@unaffiliated/scounder JOIN :#esoteric < 1441760653 419970 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, I've been thinking about natural numbers and other things. < 1441760669 131240 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Given a set S, the following two concepts are equivalent. < 1441760677 272513 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, no they're not. < 1441760687 962874 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :um wut < 1441760698 404214 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In any case, consider the following concept: "a set S, an element of S, and a function S -> S". < 1441760723 54553 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Given "one of those", and a natural number, there's an obvious way of getting an element of S. < 1441760738 151655 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just start with the element there and apply the function the appropriate number of times. < 1441760762 931450 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok < 1441760786 931392 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed, it may or may not make sense to *define* a natural number as something that takes any "one of those" and returns an element of S. < 1441760823 558964 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Given this, I'm wondering what the most appropriate term for "one of those" would be. < 1441760828 284486 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm thinking "natural number algebra". < 1441760929 667834 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :duz evrE elMNt uv S haf tU bE rECabL bI itRAtiG Du funcSN on Du elMNt? < 1441760961 998974 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does every element of S have to be reachable by iterating the function on the element? < 1441760970 735310 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1441761005 736201 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Den tU dU nat < 1441761045 139964 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :menE 'wuns uv DOs' wil bE eqivLNt < 1441761075 192711 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I lIk yOr speliG prOpOzL. < 1441761140 54825 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: in system F, naturals are defined as the type forall a. (a -> a) -> (a -> a) hth < 1441761154 891997 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does idea become IdEu? < 1441761157 126088 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is equivalent to what you said < 1441761169 124823 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :u represents the u sound in but < 1441761200 759885 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I as in kite, E as in beet, u as in but < 1441761203 597997 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose that's also the church encoding < 1441761224 95551 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google natural numbers object < 1441761225 888093 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ncatlab.org/nlab/show/natural+numbers+object < 1441761226 52397 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Title: natural numbers object in nLab < 1441761226 248275 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's hard for non native english speakers < 1441761266 452397 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: i'm pretty sure oren_'s system conflates several english sounds < 1441761280 169267 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the u in but is not the same as the a in idea < 1441761280 376737 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :All English speakers conflate several English sounds. < 1441761290 654497 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well maybe in oren_'s dialect < 1441761359 971582 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Your definition is like the least fixed point of Maybe. < 1441761361 708329 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION realizes "conflate" is probably not easy for non native speakers either < 1441761361 982747 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :lME trI (lemme try?) < 1441761366 651501 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many syllables is "idea" supposed to have? < 1441761373 843824 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mu Maybe = forall r. (Maybe r -> r) -> r < 1441761390 699772 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 sLubLs < 1441761406 364583 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dE u < 1441761451 724747 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: well, natural numbers are like the least fixed point of Maybe. < 1441761467 390264 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1441761500 553356 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway conaturals > naturals < 1441761568 752467 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :why element -> elMNt instead of LMNt? < 1441761575 287908 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Dis sistM duzNt distiGwiS ol sWnds in mI dIulect EDR < 1441761577 237866 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1441761635 681783 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: the difference between "el" and "L" is like the difference between the "el" in "repel" and the "le" in "ripple". < 1441761681 926844 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i give up <.< < 1441761786 131134 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: for ixampL, W wiT and wiTWt canAdEin rAsiG. < 1441761918 333334 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Du sWnds in 'loud' and 'lout' wud boT bE W) < 1441762085 68662 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :O kA < 1441762254 768386 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hWevR, yU can stil figR it Wt frum Du folOwiG t or d < 1441762784 824548 :athenabot!~athenabot@59.189.180.228 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441763313 510625 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-092-072-128-163.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1441763313 675129 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-092-072-128-163.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Client Quit < 1441763540 399508 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-092-072-128-163.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1441763612 6600 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What would my variant True Seeing spell be worth in terms of slot level and so on? < 1441763628 444916 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know your variant. < 1441763703 487262 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is a much simpler effect: The target can see things as if all magic were absent. You cannot selectively treat magics as absent; it must be all or none. < 1441763739 670825 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if I summon a creature with magic? Will I be able to see it? < 1441763791 975184 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but you will not be able to see past any illusion that has subsequently been cast upon it. < 1441763822 277497 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you choose to see past the illusion, you won't see the summoned creature either. < 1441763834 143865 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Although you can still hear them) < 1441763864 421154 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if I summon a creature and that creature attacks someone? Will I be able to see their wounds? < 1441763876 804192 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1441763891 511224 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: let me guess, the last oots episode is chock full of references to the book... < 1441763904 976198 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ? < 1441763916 225654 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :episode? < 1441763927 716406 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :strip, whatever < 1441763934 657591 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You mean 1003? < 1441763952 743089 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember what's in the book. < 1441763955 275644 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I read it years ago. < 1441763959 338 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :CAN'T A MAN USE A SYNONYM WITHOUT EVERYONE GETTING CONFUSED < 1441763961 844697 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you can read it and remind me. < 1441763988 884443 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: burlew recently confused me about the terminology hth < 1441763994 821896 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently a strip can contain multiple pages. < 1441763995 515411 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i only remember that that maneuver happened during the pyramid illusion < 1441764012 786116 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which maneuver? < 1441764027 931497 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that maneuver. < 1441764034 820501 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :His grandfather taught it to him after he died. < 1441764047 751064 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh < 1441764056 421648 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And he's used it before, I think. < 1441764057 711604 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0928.html < 1441764058 959237 :athenabot!~athenabot@59.189.180.228 PRIVMSG #esoteric :An error occurred while processing the link. < 1441764077 736333 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :athenabot: the error was that you spoke < 1441764122 74962 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: that was after the pyramid < 1441764201 309347 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. Maybe I misunderstood the word "only". < 1441764242 997314 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats shachaf -----### < 1441764289 287691 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, now I see what you meant. < 1441764299 485380 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant "actually used it before", as opposed to "imagining that he used it". < 1441764477 784819 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another kind of idea would be, spell that increase your AC and you receive only half damage with spells but you also get penalty to attacks and can only cause half damage with spells. < 1441764590 927032 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0600.html hth < 1441764591 976274 :athenabot!~athenabot@59.189.180.228 PRIVMSG #esoteric :An error occurred while processing the link. < 1441764945 92563 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric +o :oerjan > 1441764945 120189 NAMES :#esoteric < 1441764950 170720 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no KICK #esoteric athenabot :athenabot < 1441764954 541200 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no MODE #esoteric -o :oerjan > 1441764954 548713 NAMES :#esoteric < 1441764976 822668 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :we've got enough annoying bots already < 1441764989 239037 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe you. < 1441765126 255448 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But... what if *I'm* a bot? D: < 1441765200 660172 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION watches zgrep suspiciously < 1441765217 296351 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION makes suspicious noises < 1441765218 360007 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Beep. < 1441765219 915124 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Boop. < 1441765382 991133 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ølist < 1441765726 927231 :mauris!~mauris@2601:58a:101:2cc0:4001:8005:ff49:1ec9 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441767296 958941 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: prediction: mr. scruffy will turn the tides hth < 1441767530 637867 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mr. scruffy didn't go down to the moot with them afair < 1441767610 294462 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mr. scruffy can follow belkar wherever he goes, i'm sure < 1441767613 135872 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that's a moot point < 1441767766 647026 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder. < 1441767769 250852 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo tswett < 1441767772 469992 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett < 1441767776 594845 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`loudly tswett < 1441767777 525889 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​04,09t09,04s04,09w09,04e04,09t09,04t < 1441767791 519536 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :My client doesn't seem to recognize the latter as my nick. < 1441768375 818189 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i'm wondering more about bloodfeast the former dinosaur < 1441768428 283349 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :surely that polymorph spell will be removed some day < 1441768435 165540 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/balefulPolymorph.htm < 1441768502 954973 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :complicated < 1441769343 287266 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`loudly N_T, DoS, LoW, DoW < 1441769344 130160 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​04,09N09,04_04,09T09,04,04,09 09,04D04,09o09,04S04,09,09,04 04,09L09,04o04,09W09,04,04,09 09,04D04,09o09,04W < 1441769493 822696 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1441769544 834427 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441769569 419620 :sammwch!~heddwch@76.8.3.189 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441769604 384751 :heddwch!~heddwch@76.8.3.189 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1441769622 824128 :sammwch!~heddwch@76.8.3.189 NICK :heddwch < 1441769872 411047 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION curses. < 1441769893 425996 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finding out you can't get your passport before international travel: FUCK. < 1441770007 360583 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa whoa whoa < 1441770013 503763 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :switzerland? < 1441770190 337922 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why can't you get your passport, pikhq? May I ask? < 1441770559 783298 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I fucked up the application. < 1441770594 921491 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Helps handing them the *correct* expired passport. < 1441770600 313623 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1441770603 889880 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: is there an expedited application you can do to get it in time? < 1441770625 606587 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The soonest I can *get in* to apply for an expedited passport is after I need to be there. < 1441770656 246957 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :welp < 1441770660 978500 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me join you then < 1441770661 579660 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :FUCK < 1441770665 720970 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sucks to be me then. < 1441770670 22088 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Yep. < 1441770794 490822 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :... sounds like I'm VCing at like midnight then? < 1441770914 453390 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Bubblegum14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44111&oldid=44054 5* 03Dennis 5* (+2) 10 < 1441770939 645654 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: glhf < 1441770959 618249 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sayeth FMLFMLFML < 1441771028 325048 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441771098 5985 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should be asleep < 1441771105 611405 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to be at training for the new job tomorrow morning < 1441771108 931438 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :soon to be today morning < 1441771109 908605 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1441771116 981123 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesthiswork: good to know < 1441771123 78738 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what job is it? < 1441771210 72738 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :software developer at a local firm < 1441771306 574653 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :exciting < 1441771338 162503 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just tell them you were on irc all night < 1441771344 723773 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the'll probably understand < 1441771777 964483 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: feels like lampshading < 1441772436 183055 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'd work at Google HTH. < 1441772872 598644 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it would, wouldn't it < 1441772878 244737 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it wouldn't on your first day < 1441772990 564725 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1441773065 30588 :mauris!~mauris@2601:58a:101:2cc0:4001:8005:ff49:1ec9 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. what, actually, is the easiest TC esolang to implement < 1441773078 912357 :mauris!~mauris@2601:58a:101:2cc0:4001:8005:ff49:1ec9 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, brainfuck has brace matching! so hard < 1441773081 252846 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :brainfuk < 1441773104 319939 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really but you can just use someone else's implementation < 1441773172 584309 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/2014 < 1441773201 893704 :sc00fy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1441773214 155869 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :an interpreter is trivial to write for it < 1441773246 678859 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should improve the list of complexity classes so that actually is some information being listed. < 1441773262 996472 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Implement in what? < 1441773281 948095 :mauris!~mauris@2601:58a:101:2cc0:4001:8005:ff49:1ec9 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: hmm, let's say C < 1441773303 198861 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can compile bf to C pretty easily if you have a C compiler. < 1441773311 976188 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I guess strictly speaking that's not what you mean by C. < 1441773415 768550 :mauris!~mauris@2601:58a:101:2cc0:4001:8005:ff49:1ec9 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, i mean like an actual C program that reads code and runs it; not a conversion to C < 1441773445 338174 :mauris!~mauris@2601:58a:101:2cc0:4001:8005:ff49:1ec9 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose "TC" is inaccurate but (barfs), do we have a word for "TC but not really but ykwim man" < 1441773857 65571 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually there is a concept for this < 1441773866 315764 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know of a succinct name < 1441773878 636248 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there does exist a notion of a turing-complete program class < 1441773889 955617 :mauris!~mauris@2601:58a:101:2cc0:4001:8005:ff49:1ec9 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://esolangs.org/wiki/Bounded-storage_machine ? < 1441773890 752126 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd have to look up my notes for them though and I'm going to sleep now < 1441773906 617149 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :mauris: sort of < 1441773929 347734 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circuit_complexity < 1441773932 33224 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :there, read that < 1441774007 238848 :mauris!~mauris@2601:58a:101:2cc0:4001:8005:ff49:1ec9 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe bf where [ and ] are instead jumps that double/halve the pc < 1441774068 894815 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Quit: 1 found in /dev/zero < 1441775673 911131 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1441775692 236867 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ya'll should use boolfuck < 1441775768 856361 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's so easy to implement a Turing-complete esolang in C, people do it by accident < 1441775799 976373 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you know: Jafet is Turing-complete < 1441775832 635406 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :#include \ int main(void) { char buf[100]; fgets(buf, 1000, stdin); return 0; } < 1441776073 864777 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hear some people are Turing-hard. < 1441776139 320802 :mauris!~mauris@2601:58a:101:2cc0:4001:8005:ff49:1ec9 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't look like a very good interpreter < 1441776198 514764 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :mauris: You can use it to call a better one < 1441776200 603800 :mauris!~mauris@2601:58a:101:2cc0:4001:8005:ff49:1ec9 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you just pray "buf" is right before the memory you're executing, which gets buffer overflown and then instead of "return 0" you're running machine code? < 1441776308 297371 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In correct code, you don't buffer overflow, you dynamically size your buffer appropriately. < 1441776344 475479 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :For instance: int main(void) { char *buf = 0; getline(&buf, (size_t[]){0}, stdin); return 0; } < 1441776449 116421 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: (size_t[]){0} looks like C++ < 1441776459 675576 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's C99. < 1441776493 759663 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Essentially all that does is produce an unnamed size_t[1]. < 1441776503 435278 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(on the stack, of course) < 1441776521 373675 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :As a natural consequence of C99 adding array and struct literals. < 1441776577 998147 :ineiros_!~itniemin@dsl-hkibrasgw1-58c3fe-184.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1441776625 947769 :ineiros!~itniemin@dsl-hkibrasgw1-58c3fe-184.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1441776663 837015 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION can hear people in ##c complaining because "getline not standard!!!1!" < 1441776774 382748 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's POSIX. < 1441776799 732834 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And frankly that's plenty good enough. You're kidding yourself if you think not-POSIX land gives a shit about C at all these days. < 1441776975 334619 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :If we're restricting ourselves to languages on the wiki, it's also much easier to interpret thue than brainfuck < 1441777017 972707 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some stuff on esolang wiki would be difficult or perhaps even impossible to implement, but some is much easier than being impossible. < 1441777175 82175 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i never feel like i have enough time to implement stuff if it's more complicated than like...7 instructions :P < 1441777342 747056 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could exploit the TBFS formalism to implement many languages. < 1441777397 481516 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll try to implement codesine the next time I work on it. < 1441777459 350761 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or part of it anyway. < 1441777485 892811 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1441777489 899417 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1441777537 213651 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :[19:16] < Jafet> It's so easy to implement a Turing-complete esolang in C, people do it by accident < 1441777544 542328 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, too common to be considered esolang :) < 1441778531 274265 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't get Jafet's joke :( < 1441778747 716737 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Virgolang is never on :( < 1441778765 426282 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Virgolang Can I get a basic time table as to when you are and are not online?? < 1441778765 590379 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1441779343 149088 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's so easy to implement a Turing-complete esolang in C, people do it by accident <-- that is how scrip7 started < 1441779463 162549 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was initially trying to make a simple configuration file format, which ended up needing loops to assign the same value to a bunch of bytes, and if statements to make things depend on values placed in memory by the host, and... whoops < 1441779515 290948 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1441779654 751015 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://okmij.org/ftp/Computation/#sendmail-Turing < 1441781702 949358 :mauris!~mauris@2601:58a:101:2cc0:4001:8005:ff49:1ec9 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: don't you need a free(buf) there? < 1441781711 190678 :mauris!~mauris@2601:58a:101:2cc0:4001:8005:ff49:1ec9 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well. "need" < 1441781752 53019 :bender|!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 QUIT :Quit: Ping Pong Fuckout < 1441782300 379533 :mauris!~mauris@2601:58a:101:2cc0:4001:8005:ff49:1ec9 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/catseye/Thue/blob/master/src/thue.c this looks a bit more involved than "match braces and run through a while loop" but some of it is fluff and most of it is the fact that handling strings in C is annoying < 1441782353 943497 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :can we talk about that indentation style? < 1441782428 4403 :mauris!~mauris@2601:58a:101:2cc0:4001:8005:ff49:1ec9 PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, my opinion is that this is in almost no way simpler than brainfuck. its tokens are "big" so you can't just loop over the chars, there are lots of weird edge cases for I/O, it's nondeterministic, it involves string replacement < 1441782428 321647 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah wtf. correct indents is one tab per indent. < 1441782439 248643 :mauris!~mauris@2601:58a:101:2cc0:4001:8005:ff49:1ec9 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ps yes this indent style, help < 1441782550 488789 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wel its mor Du lak uv cNsistNcE than anything < 1441782580 918597 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ lk uv consistency ubuv deliberate < 1441782693 819873 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsO Du yus uv tU lIn ifs Dat cud fit on wun lIn < 1441782940 871650 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.190.253.145 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441782994 377110 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuk yU mIcrOsoft wI cant I hav u '?' or '()' in mI fIlnAm?! < 1441783060 607667 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :what happens if you import data from a different filesystem? < 1441783078 877122 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean if you import files with characters that ntfs wouldn't allow < 1441783107 398535 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just wont 'cp' Du fIl < 1441783108 269110 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :are they ignored? converted? < 1441783138 236965 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sO I haf tU rEnAm Dem manUulE < 1441783199 234706 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cp: cannot create regular file ‘music/Charly Lownoise & Mental Theo - Hardcore Feelings (?).mp3’: Invalid argument < 1441783641 649345 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Du wRst part is I dNno wiC cerictRs ar invalid. stUpid erR mesaj! < 1441783742 625212 :x10A94!~x10A94@178.252.73.97 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441783829 59714 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :mauris: well, you don't need the clunky I/O for Turing-completeness. The string replacement is very easy to implement (strstr, realloc and memmove) < 1441783886 981341 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wut!!!! cp: cannot create regular file ‘music/Milk Inc - Whisper.mp3’: File exists < 1441784020 86416 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Du dRectRE wuz emptE! hW can Du nAms bE Du sAm on ntfs but difrNt on ext3? < 1441784043 15105 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style sms < 1441784043 216861 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: sms (National University of Singapore SMS corpus, 2011-08-20) < 1441784060 972539 :mauris!~mauris@2601:58a:101:2cc0:4001:8005:ff49:1ec9 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren_: can you stop < 1441784074 355294 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop wut? < 1441784185 561873 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cMplAniG ubWt ntfs or spelling things in a new way? < 1441784252 955383 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's actually pretty hard to read < 1441784314 335195 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am impressed how it is even possible, though < 1441784343 844336 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never mind hard, it's unpleasant. < 1441784404 828017 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if we agree that oren_ uses this spelling and oren (or, better yet, orin) uses traditional spelling? < 1441784426 728340 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot can serve as an interpreter. < 1441784426 983527 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: oh.. posb? nvr hear before leh.but i dun mind. you already there? rep. *brrr ur fb friends win cool coke can :) < 1441784458 136758 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So how is it even possible to have two files with the same name in the same directory? < 1441784527 380416 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'VE BEEN LAUGHING FOR 10 MINUTES http://imgur.com/gallery/02BjRvJ < 1441784528 131230 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. NTFS is case insensitive. FUK! < 1441784535 285428 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use ntfs-3g to mount the filesystem on linux in case-sensitive mode < 1441784584 473300 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :On Windows, there's also SUA < 1441784817 785444 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm the two files are actually identical. < 1441784826 419371 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm keeping the one from 2006 though < 1441785214 587025 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441785266 629296 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren_: also look at http://zompist.com/spell.html ("Spelling reform by regularization" section is relevant) < 1441785285 793319 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1441785510 120012 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: I see. he uses diacritics, but they aren't on my murikan keyboard, therefore capitcal letters are better. < 1441785771 192199 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also this guy thinks cot has a different vowel than caught. < 1441785806 785316 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Another kind of idea would be, spell that increase your AC and you receive only half damage with spells but you also get penalty to attacks and can only cause half damage with spells." -- a steelform spell? sure, why not. it can't hurt to have more variations of those. < 1441785878 250809 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: ^ < 1441785884 587715 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren_: "his" version of American English, so that is expected IMO. < 1441785918 817333 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, that page is a pretty good introduction to the automatic pronunciation reconstruction from spelling < 1441786022 906464 :mauris!~mauris@2601:58a:101:2cc0:4001:8005:ff49:1ec9 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1441786034 488132 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can't do the opposite, which is kind of a problem if you want to look it up in a dictionary < 1441786097 519238 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, the spelling "reform" is what he got after removing any remaining special cases from his original reconsturction algorithm < 1441786103 913003 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1441786115 543709 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's pretty heuristic, and ultimately a bit ambiguous < 1441786121 519652 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but hey, we have an algorithm there :p < 1441786122 557670 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :consider if i wanted to look up the word sot. i have to try sought, sot, saught, sawt < 1441786149 319409 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :afaik three of those are valid < 1441786203 646247 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some dictionary software supports lookup by voice. < 1441786206 452011 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i recommend banning the longer pellings < 1441786306 832653 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually ban any sequence of gh < 1441786404 567675 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually kind of agree to that < 1441786424 248256 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the real complication is a large number of vowel digraphs (or, sometimes, trigraphs) < 1441786442 944782 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we would have lots of them even after banning gh < 1441787125 354556 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so we need more letters and lVk, Ders a SHIFT key on my keyboard that makes different letter when it's pressed, why don't we use that?!? < 1441787342 144268 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean noone uses capital letters anymore on the internet unless they're shouting < 1441787667 585117 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1441789228 805016 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1441789232 226010 :heddwch!~heddwch@76.8.3.189 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1441789258 436354 :heddwch!~heddwch@76.8.3.189 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441789490 300725 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly JOIN :#esoteric < 1441791070 524626 :paul2520!~paul2520@unaffiliated/paul2520 PART #esoteric :"WeeChat 1.2" < 1441791076 926350 :paul2520!~paul2520@unaffiliated/paul2520 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441793693 858412 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1441793716 962915 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441793719 13895 :Alcest!~alcest@93.186.169.30 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1441794438 773239 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-7-141.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1441795057 626767 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07J-why14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44112&oldid=44107 5* 03Jabutosama 5* (+1494) 10/* Programming with J-why */ < 1441795122 110416 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07J-why14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44113&oldid=44112 5* 03Jabutosama 5* (+10) 10/* Programming with J-why */ < 1441796953 925965 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.190.253.145 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1441797957 102713 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@2a02:2c40:400::1:6e46 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441797976 340207 :x1365C!~x10A94@178.252.73.97 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441797990 565341 :x10A94!~x10A94@178.252.73.97 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1441798099 880551 :x1365C!~x10A94@178.252.73.97 NICK :x10A94 < 1441798838 357183 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1441799774 188918 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441799928 370073 :x10A94!~x10A94@178.252.73.97 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1441800074 944470 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1441800117 856991 :x10A94!~x10A94@178.252.73.97 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441800302 297018 :TieSoul!~quassel@2a02:a448:4a62:0:548d:2bb6:e105:b48e JOIN :#esoteric < 1441801874 344885 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Brainloller14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44114&oldid=42181 5* 0394.62.69.164 5* (+16) 10 < 1441802586 121014 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1441802661 171221 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you guys know hex? < 1441802665 669546 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :hex the game i mean < 1441802714 65991 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've read about it < 1441802809 784716 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :wanna plaaaaay? < 1441803275 18938 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to work < 1441803799 593675 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera, I don't know it, what is it? < 1441803809 951747 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a board game < 1441803827 836033 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What kind of board game? < 1441803861 890066 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's this kite shaped board with two opposite red sides and two opposite blue sides < 1441803869 490292 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :with hexagonal tiles < 1441803911 901586 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :each player must create a bridge between his two sides < 1441803925 72455 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that game! < 1441803931 711693 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes exactly! < 1441803939 902686 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not very good at it :(* < 1441805670 786710 :`^_^!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1441806196 319728 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441806543 470221 :`^_^!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com NICK :`^_^v < 1441806790 837377 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I've got a sieve of Atkin in Haskell < 1441806822 994535 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does anyone have a checksum of all the primes less than 6 million, in ascending order, one per line? < 1441806957 763194 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1441807431 276890 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1441807469 499644 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1192390967254 < 1441807476 438053 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the sum < 1441807578 863603 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can confirm that's the sum < 1441807599 79476 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i get 5b5abad etc for the sha256 < 1441807626 670603 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Got the right sha256 < 1441807635 963357 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1441807678 207228 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :1192390967254 < 1441807682 265154 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`thanks cloud.sagemath.org < 1441807683 290765 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, cloud.sagemath.org. Thoud.sagemath.org. < 1441807685 526665 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That looks right < 1441807693 30648 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`thanks ashl < 1441807693 839501 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, ashl. Thashl. < 1441807763 942661 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://lpaste.net/140543 < 1441807765 187487 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wolfram alpha refused to help me < 1441807803 822366 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(depends on vector and pqueue) < 1441807908 700616 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also kind of ugly code) < 1441807953 364205 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :o_o < 1441807983 423996 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sieve of Atkin is not the cleanest algorithm < 1441807988 926878 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nor am I the best programmer < 1441808076 535936 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :The actual Sieve of Erastothenes is pretty good < 1441808144 818643 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actual? < 1441808194 236422 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ashl, there's a thing that used to (maybe still is) bandied about that claims to be the sieve of Erastothenes in Haskell but isn't < 1441808195 39062 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :As opposed to the fake version that is actually trial division in disguise < 1441808202 891268 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull, iirc it's worse than trial division < 1441808217 492825 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.cs.hmc.edu/~oneill/papers/Sieve-JFP.pdf is the relevant paper < 1441808249 101413 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh no, it is trial division < 1441808352 546859 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just bad trial division < 1441808427 668962 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1441808485 305019 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh ,that < 1441808504 497812 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used that paper for implementation hints < 1441808576 111480 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I got in a muddle and ended up just using the hint to use a priority queue < 1441808638 78626 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :One thing I ought to work out how to do is generating the candidates lazily < 1441808675 847199 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I can have an infinite list < 1441808735 93170 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1441808784 483682 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rather than just the first 6 million < 1441808791 667853 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or any other natural multiple of 60) < 1441810119 852955 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`url bin/! < 1441810120 764517 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/bin/%21 < 1441810173 325256 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls -l bin/! < 1441810175 94010 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lrwxrwxrwx 1 5000 0 6 Jun 21 02:47 bin/! -> interp < 1441810182 172088 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it's still a link < 1441811034 431773 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell ais523 it was intended so that we could add esolangs to it ourselves instead of having to bother Gregor <-- the problem is that HackEgo never got all of EgoBot's features and what _was_ belatedly transfered of EgoBot's structure is hard to discover and modify and doesn't fit at all with the "linux system" basis. < 1441811034 632625 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1441811191 18670 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell ais523 and the "linux system" part keeps getting new layers added as newbies don't know about the old ones. < 1441811191 220633 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1441811366 122102 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@2a02:2c40:400::1:6e46 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1441813483 236303 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Quit: BBS < 1441814173 446176 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1441815235 629882 :mihow!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441817229 443135 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-85.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1441817249 918120 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441817453 307014 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Boo! < 1441818015 525679 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-85.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1441818129 560434 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-85.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1441818762 309365 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441819149 583889 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-85.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1441821166 152305 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH JOIN :#esoteric < 1441821553 419795 :atrapado!~atrapado@unaffiliated/atrapado JOIN :#esoteric < 1441822563 677288 :nycs!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1441822707 746551 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1441823172 42300 :Lithiumate!5e7bc279@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.194.121 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441823180 70764 :Lithiumate!5e7bc279@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.194.121 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a bot < 1441823182 640221 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have made the game which resemble the puzzle mode of the Panel de Pon game, although additionally there are blocks that cannot be matched, as well as in addition to switches you can also use erasers and rotators. < 1441823192 582222 :Lithiumate!5e7bc279@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.194.121 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am writing modules for it < 1441823201 748777 :Lithiumate!5e7bc279@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.194.121 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has only bf interpreter. < 1441823216 733605 :Lithiumate!5e7bc279@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.194.121 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and now, writing it an befunge interpreter. < 1441823231 906984 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lithiumate: What bot is that, what is module being written with, is there the information of it? OK you can please write some more! < 1441823245 790642 :Lithiumate!5e7bc279@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.194.121 PRIVMSG #esoteric :python! < 1441823309 416849 :Lithiumate!5e7bc279@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.194.121 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i will connect them to my bot for use of people < 1441823311 536360 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-aykkkjextohtcsva JOIN :#esoteric < 1441823352 194737 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1441823564 893920 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1441823577 169784 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tsumeshogi! I play the game! < 1441823681 570382 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User talk:Sinatra14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=44115 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+113) 10/* To IRC! */ new section < 1441823907 676889 :Lithiumate!5e7bc279@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.194.121 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i will write virgo interpreter soon < 1441823932 298199 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-64-77.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1441824058 446937 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's all the fuzz about this virgo thing? < 1441824062 396914 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1441824083 426121 :Lithiumate!5e7bc279@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.194.121 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is an esolang < 1441824095 119152 :Lithiumate!5e7bc279@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.194.121 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't login to my esolangs account! < 1441824104 557720 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there is information in wiki, you can look < 1441824135 943283 :fractal!~fractal@unaffiliated/scounder QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1441824229 998666 :yorick_!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1441824337 918490 :hppavilion[1]_!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1441824471 930863 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1441824628 505183 :fractal!~fractal@unaffiliated/scounder JOIN :#esoteric < 1441824797 368024 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Quit: BBS < 1441825483 838399 :hppavilion[1]_!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1441825528 421315 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1441825838 351568 :hppavilion[1]_!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1441826150 666043 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :What was this about login problems? < 1441827232 624483 :Lithiumate!5e7bc279@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.194.121 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i forgot the pass and i don't linked email < 1441827495 613474 :Lithiumate!5e7bc279@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.194.121 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1441827798 933724 :sc00fy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1441828466 290780 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-7-141.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1441828569 645848 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-200-243.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1441828886 583285 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1441828948 231611 :Virgolang!5e7bc673@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.198.115 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441828991 579725 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Quit: buying food < 1441829432 310489 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Piet-Q14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44116&oldid=32427 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (-14) 10/* Commands */ < 1441829479 889557 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :humans < 1441829532 23640 :humans!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1441829602 495720 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1441829704 602959 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH JOIN :#esoteric < 1441830282 507912 :heddwch!~heddwch@76.8.3.189 NICK :readit_yay_for_a < 1441830289 84509 :readit_yay_for_a!~heddwch@76.8.3.189 NICK :heddwch < 1441830617 108298 :TieSoul!~quassel@2a02:a448:4a62:0:548d:2bb6:e105:b48e QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1441830794 450437 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-aykkkjextohtcsva QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1441830829 882448 :hppavilion[1]_!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1441831300 807465 :heddwch!~heddwch@76.8.3.189 NICK :Muck_Peerburg < 1441831333 166620 :Muck_Peerburg!~heddwch@76.8.3.189 NICK :heddwch < 1441831363 171356 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :wch < 1441831436 680056 :wch!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1441832439 579605 :x10A94!~x10A94@178.252.73.97 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1441832737 713303 :nycs!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1441832784 958906 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1441832818 830857 :myndzi!myndzi@tetrisguide.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1441833239 438633 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441833611 155350 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Brainfuck14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44117&oldid=43910 5* 03Rdebath 5* (+1977) 10It seemed a bit fragmented, try this. < 1441833831 276821 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :For Turing completeness either the number of cells must be unbounded or (at least) three unbounded cells are required, the former is usually assumed. < 1441833834 410606 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-200-243.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1441833852 43876 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you prove that less than 3 is not enough? < 1441834684 588193 :hppavilion[1]!4a725740@gateway/web/freenode/ip.74.114.87.64 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441834713 754536 :hppavilion[1]!4a725740@gateway/web/freenode/ip.74.114.87.64 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hellu < 1441834959 902520 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1441835211 839294 :fowl!fowl@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-hfvwzvgasvkdabgn PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you prove that you can prove that you can prove that you can prove that? < 1441835336 388905 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :are we allowed to mix unbounded and bounded cells? < 1441835843 7180 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not < 1441835872 176662 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :because then two unbounded cells are enough < 1441835895 412074 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :a finite tape and two unbounded cells < 1441835900 995788 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1441835918 442530 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(two counters can simulate three counters) < 1441835919 314074 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :well show it < 1441835938 263432 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not really familiar with this kind of proof at all < 1441836069 63519 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :with two counters and a scratch counter, you can simulate two stacks, hence a tape. You can encode counters a, b, c as 2^a*3^b*5^c, and use the scratch counter and a finite number of states to check whether one of a, b or c is 0, or increment a counter, or decrement a non-zeor counter. < 1441836284 594633 :mauris!~mauris@2601:58a:101:2cc0:21dc:e48d:755a:fdbf JOIN :#esoteric < 1441836294 684454 :mauris!~mauris@2601:58a:101:2cc0:21dc:e48d:755a:fdbf QUIT :Changing host < 1441836294 849123 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric < 1441836357 611067 :hppavilion[1]!4a725740@gateway/web/freenode/ip.74.114.87.64 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1441836383 356507 :hppavilion[1]_!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-68.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1441836415 973191 :hppavilion[1]_!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-68.dynamic.asdk12.org TOPIC #esoteric :The fnord never fnords fnord in the fnord fnord | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ | http://esolangs.org/ < 1441836420 476761 :hppavilion[1]_!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-68.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoops < 1441836424 203983 :hppavilion[1]_!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-68.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just changed nothing < 1441836430 111445 :hppavilion[1]_!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-68.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: < 1441836430 275723 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]_: k d i vil mistake me only cha.dnt talk? < 1441836445 870788 :hppavilion[1]_!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-68.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um < 1441836449 266681 :hppavilion[1]_!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-68.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK then < 1441836462 757080 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: oh a mystery < 1441836462 921208 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: aiyo cos she will not get an allowance for the first month < 1441836468 591153 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1441836468 755207 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack oots pa qwantz sms* speeches ss wp youtube < 1441836473 197108 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1441836491 23845 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-64-77.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in < 1441836503 407996 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's probably the worst of all those styles < 1441836525 585481 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least if you try to figure out what is actually being said :P < 1441836529 780885 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style youtube < 1441836529 945106 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: youtube (Some YouTube comments) < 1441836559 852183 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot < 1441836560 52790 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: great job. not some overrated movie with will ferrell called land of the scenes. i can't wait for the pilot if he dressed like that < 1441836570 322401 :hppavilion[1]_!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-68.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Virgolang: Hi < 1441836572 668964 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1441836696 425227 :hppavilion[1]_!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-68.dynamic.asdk12.org NICK :hppavilion[1] < 1441836718 741744 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :land of the scenes would be a good movie < 1441836860 184955 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1441836986 875599 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441837369 833211 :atrapado!~atrapado@unaffiliated/atrapado QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1441837428 619350 :Virgolang!5e7bc673@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.198.115 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1441837514 698315 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1441837537 720863 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-68.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dammit, virgo < 1441837693 273381 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :virgone < 1441838228 368077 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-68.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1441838977 23428 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :GOD SAVE THE QUEEN < 1441838995 57957 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's doing a pretty good job so far, i hear < 1441839127 876927 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what, sonja? < 1441839144 980320 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: no, elizabeth. well i guess sonja too. < 1441839201 643382 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the future and Queen Elizabeth III and Queen Elizabeth IV are going to a party held by Queen Elizabeth V. < 1441839275 593437 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the future sounds dutch < 1441839352 81113 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The first couple of times I watched I didn't realize the age thing. < 1441839359 379751 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I'm not used to queens. < 1441839398 201306 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the age of Queen Elizabeth" is presumably an antitone function from naturals to naturals. < 1441839445 572155 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :except for Queen Elizabeth VII the Time Traveler < 1441839478 530438 :Thisbe!~Thisbe@99-92-98-80.lightspeed.renonv.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441839503 967045 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone should make a sitcom out of this < 1441839527 271457 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and sdrawkcaB ehT I- htebazilE neeuQ < 1441839573 964110 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :also known as Queen Elizaaleph? < 1441839637 990322 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not necessarily, although suspiciously no one _has_ seen them at the same time... < 1441839993 329606 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : can you prove that less than 3 is not enough? <-- istr this keeps coming up. i vaguely think i thought the argument held last time... < 1441840021 105326 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have only 2 cells, then whenever you exit a loop, one of them must be 0. < 1441840045 632100 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move_redir10 02 5* 03Timwi 5* 10moved [[02CA (programming language)10]] to [[CA-1]] over redirect < 1441840090 507485 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this means that if you start out with arbitrary values, then relatively soon _one_ of them can only have finitely many options < 1441840117 670587 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441840122 545423 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this means you can refactor the brainfuck program as a 1-counter state machine < 1441840130 339987 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is known not to be TC. < 1441840172 5604 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(relatively soon = as soon as you have exited a loop) < 1441840235 328410 :mihow!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1441840236 390325 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm except there are some loops like [>-<+] that do copying, so the finite number of options doesn't hold at _every_ later moment < 1441840270 158556 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :* [>+<-] seems more likely < 1441840283 823441 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it should hold outside of innermost loops < 1441840312 798065 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like that yeah < 1441840490 925644 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm there's some issues like you can do multiplication by constants, and division _if_ the remainder is 0 < 1441840510 726471 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if not for the remainder 0 restriction that would be a TC machine) < 1441840563 582304 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm there are too many possible loopholes for me to feel safe about this argument < 1441840574 522651 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm thinking about the differences in how waves propagate depending on their frequency. < 1441840643 220237 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the major thing is probably multipath interference. < 1441840688 731599 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the size of the obstacles is much smaller than the wavelength, the amount of multipath interference is going to be small, so low-frequency waves will effectively "wrap around" those obstacles pretty well. < 1441840738 539155 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the obstacles are much larger than the wavelength, now you probably will see a lot of multipath interference. < 1441840799 497496 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you making a wave esolang < 1441841258 835532 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...I should. < 1441841266 367134 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that would be so awesome. < 1441841343 245523 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A program just consists of, oh, a set of rectangles where you specify the characteristics of the medium there. < 1441841446 587619 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure exactly how you'd specify those characteristics. < 1441841464 653584 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guess you could start by saying that you can specify the impedance. < 1441841571 167333 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hearing_the_shape_of_a_drum < 1441842070 289590 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: i wonder how that castle compares to castle heterodyne... < 1441842212 586965 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess "not as lethal" is a safe bet. < 1441842227 354578 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :safe... hehe. < 1441842273 265836 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well at least unless the master _wants_ you dead < 1441842441 441519 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric : also known as Queen Elizaaleph? <-- this is a good joke < 1441842478 149956 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1441843010 657409 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gVd EvniG! < 1441843054 609608 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :go kveill < 1441843280 868705 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a thought Ī had about English ōrthography. < 1441843309 118272 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really, thē consōnants are all rīght. It's thē vowels which are wacky. < 1441843337 599375 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ī think it would bē a big improvement if wē put macrons ōver all thē long vowels. < 1441843357 828004 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're a bit shifty < 1441843363 254881 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: that doesn't help < 1441843366 858077 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1441843378 770619 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yU cud dU Dat, but macrons arnt on mI kEbord < 1441843387 312060 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you handle the word "throughout"? < 1441843389 442084 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :'be' and 'really' have the same vowel sound < 1441843396 360019 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you've written it differently < 1441843397 572802 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thrUWt < 1441843404 401077 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of thē advantages of this is that you can read text written this way just ignoring the macrons. < 1441843410 413225 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :and how would you write 'bear'? < 1441843426 4226 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :we should just replace english with pia < 1441843427 121722 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ipa < 1441843427 912017 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ber < 1441843447 640144 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think vowels even neatly split into 'long' and 'short', do they? < 1441843457 777978 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ī'm saying that dīgraphs dōn't get counted as long vowels, rēgardless of thē sound they māke. < 1441843478 644441 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mI dIulect has 12 vWLs < 1441843494 149723 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :regardless has a schwa with my accent < 1441843509 42300 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: no they don't < 1441843525 833744 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :as indeed does 'the' < 1441843529 97812 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sō thē rūle is essentially that you put ā macron ōver "a" when it mākes thē "long A" sound, ōver "e" when it mākes thē "long E" sound, and sō forth. < 1441843540 264702 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in normal spelling bat bait but boot bot boat bit bite be beet bout book < 1441843543 442441 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :long a/short a is an illusion < 1441843555 27323 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :taught by grade-school teachers who don't know linguistics < 1441843567 873472 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :those are the 12 vowels < 1441843580 743306 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett, again, english orthography of vowels isn't regular enough for that to work < 1441843591 140810 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, s/be/bet/ < 1441843602 348313 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ī'm alsō ūsing thē emphatic prōnunciātion of everything. < 1441843683 932568 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but there are more than ten vowels in english < 1441843689 212483 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: my system is similar for the vowels, but it uses uppercase A instead of ā < 1441843745 25641 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :the sound people call 'long a' is a diphthong of 'short e' and 'long e' for god's sake < 1441843780 409736 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: well, bȳ "long A" I mean /eɪ/, bȳ "long E" I mean /iː/, and sō forth. < 1441843791 268764 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: see what Phantom_Hoover said < 1441843793 80685 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thōse sounds certainly exist. < 1441843809 804821 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is tempted to /ignore anything with a macron < 1441843827 28946 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Ī'm not really sure what you mean bȳ that. What's wrong with it? < 1441843827 218326 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is a macron a type of food? < 1441843858 705700 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course. It's just like macaroni, but with fewer syllables. < 1441843865 292567 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett, basically your system isn't meaningfully less arbitrary than english vowel orthography already is < 1441843881 20841 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, macrons are coconut cookies hth < 1441843889 345056 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh right. What oerjan said. < 1441843902 394353 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: this is true. < 1441843918 80950 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does give a small amount of potentially useful information, though. < 1441843957 572512 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it would be useful very often, though. < 1441843962 286224 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a good system should be easy for anyone to decide to use tomorrow, on any computer anywhere < 1441843995 840870 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How often is it that someone writes the word "wind" and you can't figure out whether they meant /wɪnd/ or /waɪnd/? < 1441844026 455900 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :not very < 1441844067 996393 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a good example is read < 1441844091 932592 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't know whether to take it as rEd or red < 1441844167 838977 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or whther 'Reading, england' is rEdiG or rediG < 1441844207 858386 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also lead < 1441844239 911198 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least that one becomes proper 'led' < 1441844337 746240 :Thisbe!~Thisbe@99-92-98-80.lightspeed.renonv.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1441844485 587123 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :tear too < 1441844697 353469 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :Inglēsh spelliN rEformz | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ | http://esolangs.org/ < 1441845176 389643 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaaaa < 1441845309 929796 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :problem? < 1441845703 856075 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ː < 1441845704 637626 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+02D0 MODIFIER LETTER TRIANGULAR COLON] < 1441845756 755870 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ︘ < 1441845757 361109 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+FE18 PRESENTATION FORM FOR VERTICAL RIGHT WHITE LENTICULAR BRAKCET] < 1441845793 309533 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441845892 994069 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erilȳ, "problem" haz unCāNd spelliG < 1441846357 707130 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does 'unchanged' become 'unCāNd' < 1441846420 835385 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :'unchanged' ends with n-d-zh-d, not ng-d < 1441846422 182913 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :by changing hth < 1441846474 533614 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :N is not ng hth < 1441846503 750876 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :you use it for the final consonant in 'spelling' in the topic < 1441846525 421217 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fēndiS < 1441846547 982452 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :Inglēsh spelliG rEformz | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ | http://esolangs.org/ < 1441846562 877884 :moe_gr!~Thunderbi@229.pool85-51-116.dynamic.orange.es JOIN :#esoteric < 1441846632 288800 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: your mistake is assuming the topic represent just _one_ spelling reform hth < 1441846636 155306 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*+s < 1441846646 201776 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, using N to represent /ndʒ/ still seems odd but ok < 1441846662 291711 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it has to be correct, as i'm infallible hth < 1441846680 99839 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan 'francis' johannsen < 1441846908 444585 :mapm!~mapm@229.pool85-51-116.dynamic.orange.es JOIN :#esoteric < 1441847013 794939 :moe_gr!~Thunderbi@229.pool85-51-116.dynamic.orange.es PART :#esoteric < 1441847032 176073 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spellidge. < 1441847354 465208 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1441847426 367265 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1441847589 352394 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1441847632 149204 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :All this talk about spelling reforms, what about pronounciation reforms? < 1441847758 952608 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1441848332 744139 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes all vowels should be pronounced as [o] < 1441848351 582973 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe some could be long and others short hth < 1441848371 12301 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :thos os goong too for < 1441848608 673104 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJ_pj31YdrY < 1441848801 791813 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Os? I eat those things for breakfast. < 1441850521 943633 :mapm!~mapm@229.pool85-51-116.dynamic.orange.es QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1441851350 593252 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1441853201 259645 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Lines14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=44120 5* 03Ypnypn 5* (+4078) 10Created page with "'''Lines''' is a language based on '''[[:///]]''', but with input. ==Specification== The program is interpreted exactly as in [[:///#Description|///]], with one exception. If..." < 1441853589 581961 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nrmjozsvzsdwnuzw JOIN :#esoteric < 1441853629 622488 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Lines14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=44121 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+155) 10Itflabtijtslwi < 1441857721 728058 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just realized a problem with my ISA < 1441857739 978405 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Branching is going to be horribly inefficient unless I process the file THEN execute it < 1441857838 24422 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oooh < 1441857842 395337 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's an idea for a language < 1441857849 163887 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rewriter-rewriting paradigm < 1441857864 176063 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A self-modifying /t/-rewriting programming language < 1441858202 167597 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1441858648 529832 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441859693 545801 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Brainfuck14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44122&oldid=44117 5* 0398.177.203.231 5* (+1) 10fixed a little bit of grammar < 1441860131 939721 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1441861490 129049 :sc00fy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1441862797 88913 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1441862810 513669 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441864156 643862 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do languages usually solve printing null characters in null-terminated strings? < 1441864262 481865 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :"strings don't contain null characters" < 1441864296 65266 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly QUIT :Quit: ZNC - 1.6.0 - http://znc.in < 1441864296 229356 :heddwch!~heddwch@76.8.3.189 QUIT :Quit: ZNC - 1.6.0 - http://znc.in < 1441864296 229406 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Quit: Alas. < 1441864307 372842 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :you either store strings along with their lengths, or you insist they not contain nulls. < 1441864341 469258 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :the former is arguably better, as it is not susceptible to buffer overflow. < 1441864364 117662 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but one could simply refuse any strings exceeding some maximum length and accomplish the same) < 1441864368 471058 :heddwch!~heddwch@76.8.3.189 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441864369 325511 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1441864389 631450 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly JOIN :#esoteric < 1441865560 672826 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH JOIN :#esoteric < 1441866538 740130 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441866980 532045 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1441868088 612791 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1441868361 241460 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDream < 1441869419 669595 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1441870395 984298 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Mauris 5* 10New user account < 1441870647 314934 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Code golf14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=44123 5* 03Mauris 5* (+18) 10Redirected page to [[Golf]] < 1441870656 400940 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-200-243.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1441870944 146946 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@2a02:2c40:400::1:6e46 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441870969 859556 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Lazy-K14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=44124 5* 03Mauris 5* (+20) 10Redirected page to [[Lazy K]] > 1441871875 332423 JOIN :#esoteric > 1441871879 378960 JOIN :#esoteric > 1441871879 885257 JOIN :#esoteric > 1441871924 476669 JOIN :#esoteric > 1441871928 526611 JOIN :#esoteric > 1441871929 32545 JOIN :#esoteric > 1441871962 474782 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441871963 161284 :glogbot!dlopen@libdl.so JOIN :#esoteric > 1441871966 523326 JOIN :#esoteric > 1441871967 30228 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441872043 793360 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1441872118 39688 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so JOIN :#esoteric < 1441872413 794360 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@2a02:2c40:400::1:6e46 QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1441872658 981090 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH JOIN :#esoteric < 1441873847 812797 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1441874148 322874 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Universal Lambda14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=44125 5* 03Mauris 5* (+2651) 10Created page with "'''Universal Lambda''' is a [[:Category:Functional paradigm|functional]] [[esoteric programming language]] designed by flatigious in [[:Category:2008|2008]], based on John Tro..." < 1441874210 836552 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Universal Lambda14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44126&oldid=44125 5* 03Mauris 5* (+174) 10 < 1441875264 561597 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@2a02:2c40:400::1:6e46 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441875310 661138 :J_Arcane_!~chatzilla@37-219-244-197.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1441875396 735661 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-200-243.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1441875411 68688 :J_Arcane_!~chatzilla@37-219-244-197.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi NICK :J_Arcane < 1441875625 894934 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1441875627 291453 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1441875633 847219 :heddwch!~heddwch@76.8.3.189 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1441875843 143231 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1441875897 495790 :heddwch!~heddwch@76.8.3.189 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441875899 460011 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1441875903 990729 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly JOIN :#esoteric < 1441876064 736598 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07AWO14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=44127 5* 0391.36.251.13 5* (+1519) 10Added new esolang AWO < 1441876427 532599 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so JOIN :#esoteric < 1441877099 805795 :bender|!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441877120 749302 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-244-197.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1441877226 344372 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-30-27.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1441877394 905845 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1441878701 595092 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441880229 559371 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441880237 813927 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1441880240 333633 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1441880562 669959 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1441880777 304120 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441880986 938021 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Client Quit < 1441881071 830496 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441882421 800175 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1441882850 212016 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441883254 901907 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1441883606 610061 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wälcåmä < 1441883607 130106 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: wälcåmä: not found < 1441883610 539220 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome < 1441883611 559162 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: . (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.) < 1441883734 735738 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` f=bin/wälcåmä; >"$f" echo $'/bin/sh\nwelcome | sed "s/E/Ä/g;s/O/Å/g;s/e/ä/g;s/o/å/g"'; chmod a+x "$f" < 1441883736 351059 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1441883741 547709 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wälcåmä < 1441883754 786624 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1441883770 555044 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1441883771 972218 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1441883773 631997 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ping < 1441883774 190318 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1441883790 112137 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` welcome | sed "s/E/Ä/g;s/O/Å/g;s/e/ä/g;s/o/å/g" < 1441883790 972957 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wälcåmä tå thä intärnatiånal hub får äsåtäric prågramming languagä däsign and däplåymänt! Får mårä infårmatiån, chäck åut åur wiki: . (Får thä åthär kind åf äsåtärica, try #äsåtäric ån ÄFnät år DALnät.) < 1441883818 261448 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` >bin/wälcåmä echo $'#!/bin/sh\nwelcome | sed "s/E/Ä/g;s/O/Å/g;s/e/ä/g;s/o/å/g"\n' < 1441883819 711907 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1441883834 426630 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` >bin/wälcåmä echo $'#!/bin/sh\nexec welcome "$@" | sed "s/E/Ä/g;s/O/Å/g;s/e/ä/g;s/o/å/g"\n' < 1441883836 98278 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1441883838 882934 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wälcåmä < 1441883839 697475 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wälcåmä tå thä intärnatiånal hub får äsåtäric prågramming languagä däsign and däplåymänt! Får mårä infårmatiån, chäck åut åur wiki: . (Får thä åthär kind åf äsåtärica, try #äsåtäric ån ÄFnät år DALnät.) < 1441883876 942437 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wälcåmä b_jonas < 1441883878 929164 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jånas: Wälcåmä tå thä intärnatiånal hub får äsåtäric prågramming languagä däsign and däplåymänt! Får mårä infårmatiån, chäck åut åur wiki: . (Får thä åthär kind åf äsåtärica, try #äsåtäric ån ÄFnät år DALnät.) < 1441883883 333649 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :good < 1441883971 783025 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@2a02:2c40:400::1:6e46 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1441884143 240748 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.190.253.145 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441884266 534744 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` welcome | perlr -e 'use Encode; binmode *$_,"encoding(utf8)" for STDIN,STDOUT; local$/; for (split//,) { rand(5)<3 and y/EOeo/\xc4\xc5\xe4\xe5/; print }' < 1441884267 414624 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: perlr: command not found < 1441884273 115242 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` welcome | perl -e 'use Encode; binmode *$_,"encoding(utf8)" for STDIN,STDOUT; local$/; for (split//,) { rand(5)<3 and y/EOeo/\xc4\xc5\xe4\xe5/; print }' < 1441884274 730550 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welcome tå thä international hub for äsåtäric prågramming languagä däsign and däplåymänt! For mårä infårmatiån, chäck out åur wiki: . (Får thä åther kind åf äsåtärica, try #esåteric ån ÄFnet or DALnet.) < 1441884372 300767 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` -e bin/en2sv || >bin/en2sv 'use Encode; binmode *$_,"encoding(utf8)" for STDIN,STDOUT; local$/; for (split//,) { rand(5)<3 and y/EOeo/\xc4\xc5\xe4\xe5/; print }'; chmod a+x bin/en2sv < 1441884374 332317 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: -e: command not found \ bash: use Encode; binmode *$_,"encoding(utf8)" for STDIN,STDOUT; local$/; for (split//,) { rand(5)<3 and y/EOeo/\xc4\xc5\xe4\xe5/; print }: No such file or directory < 1441884400 717572 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` type -a perl < 1441884401 305682 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perl is /usr/bin/perl < 1441884426 252519 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` -e bin/en2sv || >bin/en2sv echo $'#!/usr/bin/perl\n''use Encode; binmode *$_,"encoding(utf8)" for STDIN,STDOUT; local$/; for (split//,) { rand(5)<3 and y/EOeo/\xc4\xc5\xe4\xe5/; print }'; chmod a+x bin/en2sv < 1441884428 234591 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: -e: command not found < 1441884431 800585 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` bin/en2sv || >bin/en2sv echo $'#!/usr/bin/perl\n''use Encode; binmode *$_,"encoding(utf8)" for STDIN,STDOUT; local$/; for (split//,) { rand(5)<3 and y/EOeo/\xc4\xc5\xe4\xe5/; print }'; chmod a+x bin/en2sv < 1441884452 406599 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` welcome | en2sv < 1441884453 301998 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wälcåmä to the intärnatiånal hub får äsoteric programming languagä däsign and deploymänt! Får morä infårmatiån, check åut åur wiki: . (Får thä åthär kind of esåtärica, try #äsoteric on EFnät år DALnät.) < 1441884462 277408 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1441884496 218487 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo $'#!/bin/sh\nexec welcome "$@" | bin/en2sv\n' > bin/wälcåmä < 1441884497 886599 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1441884501 184277 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wälcåmä < 1441884502 42279 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welcomä to the internatiånal hub for esotäric programming language däsign and däplåymänt! For morä infårmatiån, chäck åut our wiki: . (Får thä åthär kind of esåtärica, try #äsoteric on EFnät år DALnät.) < 1441884503 939047 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wälcåmä < 1441884504 776669 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welcome tå the intärnatiånal hub for esåteric prågramming language design and däplåyment! For more information, chäck åut our wiki: . (Får thä other kind of esoterica, try #esåtäric on EFnet år DALnet.) < 1441884509 612455 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wälcåmä < 1441884510 385615 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welcomä to thä internatiånal hub for esåtäric prågramming language däsign and däplåyment! Får morä infårmatiån, chäck åut åur wiki: . (Får thä åther kind of äsåterica, try #esotäric on EFnet år DALnät.) < 1441884514 30111 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wälcåmä < 1441884514 832061 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wälcåme to the intärnatiånal hub får äsotäric prågramming languagä design and däplåymänt! For måre infårmation, chäck out åur wiki: . (Får the othär kind åf äsotärica, try #äsåtäric on ÄFnät år DALnät.) < 1441884527 357576 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.190.253.145 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1441884666 45183 :bender|!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 NICK :bender|_sane < 1441884756 717578 :staffehn!~quassel@2001:41d0:52:d00::1d3 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441884809 26099 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` sv2en <<<"There gloom the dark broad seas. My mariners, Some work of noble note, may yet be done, The long day wanes: the slow moon climbs: the deep 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world. And see the great Achilles, whom we knew." < 1441884809 666242 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: sv2en: command not found < 1441884814 935807 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` en2sv <<<"There gloom the dark broad seas. My mariners, Some work of noble note, may yet be done, The long day wanes: the slow moon climbs: the deep 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world. And see the great Achilles, whom we knew." < 1441884815 568325 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thärä glåom the dark bråad seas. My marinärs, Såme wårk åf nåble note, may yät be donä, The lång day wanäs: thä slåw måån climbs: thä dääp 'Tis not tåo late tå sääk a newär world. And sää thä great Achilläs, whåm wä knäw. < 1441884831 494430 :bender|_sane!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 NICK :bender| < 1441884845 426846 :bender|!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 NICK :bender < 1441885454 460553 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ln -s wälcåmä bin/walcama < 1441885455 118604 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ln: invalid option -- ' ' \ Try `ln --help' for more information. < 1441885460 756239 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ln -s wälcåmä bin/walcama < 1441885462 338185 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1441885466 348664 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`walcama < 1441885467 257191 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wälcome to the international hub får äsåteric prågramming languagä däsign and deplåymänt! Får måre information, chäck åut our wiki: . (Får thä åthär kind of äsotärica, try #äsåtäric ån EFnät år DALnet.) < 1441885887 515134 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :äsålangs.årg - still free for the taking by a typo-domain squatter preying on the massive esolangs.org visitor stream. < 1441885978 797596 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume that .årg isn't taken. < 1441887118 607292 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about gåågle.com ? < 1441887179 886378 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441887191 649018 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1441887249 532567 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :: < 1441887261 726228 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :error: running : on empty stack < 1441887363 401773 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :What, no 'got. < 1441887410 860586 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1441887413 272571 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul : < 1441887413 450520 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : ...out of stack! < 1441887429 133382 :Virgolang!5e7bc673@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.198.115 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441887441 326772 :Virgolang!5e7bc673@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.198.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@help < 1441887441 504772 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :help . Ask for help for . Try 'list' for all commands < 1441887445 68679 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (:^):^ < 1441887445 520491 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : ...out of time! < 1441887451 532547 :Virgolang!5e7bc673@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.198.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@list < 1441887451 710553 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :What module? Try @listmodules for some ideas. < 1441887453 724566 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forget if there was anything else it could be out of. < 1441887458 606137 :Virgolang!5e7bc673@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.198.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@listmodules < 1441887458 784122 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :activity base bf check compose dice dict djinn dummy elite eval filter free fresh haddock help hoogle instances irc karma localtime metar more oeis offlineRC pl pointful poll pretty quote search slap source spell system tell ticker todo topic type undo unlambda unmtl version where < 1441887470 263594 :Virgolang!5e7bc673@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.198.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@activity < 1441887470 874457 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :3*total 3*#esoteric < 1441887482 668506 :Virgolang!5e7bc673@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.198.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@list activity < 1441887482 846517 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :activity provides: activity < 1441887514 342090 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently not. < 1441887515 300752 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (xxxx)(~:*~:^):^ < 1441887515 478629 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : ...too much stack! < 1441887521 87052 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It can have too much of stack, though. < 1441887528 6081 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It can't have too much time. < 1441887543 467769 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1441887611 353005 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441887629 816896 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1441887636 129475 :Virgolang!5e7bc673@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.198.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :#say {"hello", "test"} < 1441887686 142303 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe this is how dååth got their name < 1441887765 320640 :thutubot!~thutubot@147.188.254.132 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441887777 406663 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul : < 1441887777 692460 :thutubot!~thutubot@147.188.254.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ...: out of stack! < 1441887783 352123 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul (:^):^ < 1441887784 232729 :thutubot!~thutubot@147.188.254.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ...out of time! < 1441887797 156313 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul (xxxx)(~:*~:^):^ < 1441887808 162265 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, looks like I haven't implemented a limit on that one < 1441887814 494569 :thutubot!~thutubot@147.188.254.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ...too much memory used! < 1441887819 749968 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I have < 1441887821 668421 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just took a while to hit it < 1441887837 952847 :Virgolang!5e7bc673@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.198.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i will move my bot to an php server < 1441887845 577650 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thutu is pretty unary as languages go, so it tends to take a length of time to run that's proportional to its memory usage < 1441887847 893053 :Virgolang!5e7bc673@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.198.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to make it run 7/24 < 1441887886 228355 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul ((:^)(xxxx):*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:**^):^ < 1441887886 406540 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : ...too much prog! < 1441887897 595978 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's one error message that I think is pretty rare. < 1441887906 836513 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul ((:^)(xxxx):*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:**^):^ < 1441887916 407118 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I expect this to be "...too much memory used" too < 1441887921 561014 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking of a fake-Swedish spelling variant where "o" is spelled as "å", "u" is spelled as "ã", "i" is spelled as "ää", "je" is spelled as "gä", "e" is usually spelled as "ä" but it's spelled as "à" instead when it would cause an ambiguity, namely in "ee" or "ie" or "ge" or "gei". < 1441887924 782656 :thutubot!~thutubot@147.188.254.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ...too much memory used! < 1441887976 164936 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1441887992 287195 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: so all the vowels are variants of 'a'? < 1441888054 827147 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^prefixes < 1441888055 5237 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEgo `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ?, thutubot +, metasepia ~, idris-bot ( , jconn ) , blsqbot ! < 1441888080 58471 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, fungot and thutubot are the only bots in ^prefixes that are written in esolangs? < 1441888080 551096 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: " i hope" is more of a one-party state machine example. it never works for me < 1441888088 953405 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is blsqbot written in Burlesque? < 1441888131 750198 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: probably yes. if "y" is used as a vowel than it's not, so something may have to be done with it. < 1441888150 325752 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"y" could be left as is, or spelled as "ö". < 1441888177 204994 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :^prefixes < 1441888177 382944 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEgo `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ?, thutubot +, metasepia ~, idris-bot ( , jconn ) , blsqbot ! < 1441888210 181879 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I think blsqbot was just Haskell, although I'm not sure. < 1441888211 559605 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, are jconn and j-bot the same bot? < 1441888226 188503 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I think they are. Also I think there might have been a third name at some point? < 1441888229 160642 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ignore < 1441888229 338667 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :^(EgoBot|HackEgo|toBogE|Sparkbot|optbot|lambdabot|oonbotti|metasepia|ruddy|preflex|evalj|idris-bot|passwordBOT|jconn|applybot|blsqbot|fnordbot)! < 1441888246 553385 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had "evalj" on the ignore list, although I'm not sure if it's J-related. < 1441888263 230127 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it was? not sure though < 1441888300 437714 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I assume that that's a regex, and that fungot can't see its own lines so it doesn't need to ignore itself < 1441888300 654524 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ok then, find out what's wrong < 1441888319 570535 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes to both. < 1441888345 773435 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I take it there's a regex fingerprint? < 1441888346 631055 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's applied to nick!user@host prefix, hence the !. < 1441888350 526499 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yes. < 1441888366 607828 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can compile a single regex for later use, and then match against it. < 1441888390 729365 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the only regex used by fungot, so it's compiled when set, and then it just assumes the "current regex" is always the ignore one. < 1441888390 916636 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i just wanted to make sure pointers returned by functions your module calls actually point inside your module < 1441888403 672406 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have to keep that in mind if I ever use the regex fingerprint for something else. < 1441888431 369427 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yes, evalj is the nick I use for my instance of jevalbot < 1441888454 118454 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I originally named it jeval, but renamed because "jeval" conflicted with a command in buubot, and never named back < 1441888473 809232 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The interface closely matches regcomp.) < 1441888486 929686 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Same flags and all.) < 1441888506 990547 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :my jevalbot config file also has a list of bots it partly ignores, but it's very out of date < 1441888508 571318 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'm compiling the ignore one as REG_EXTENDED and maybe REG_ICASE. < 1441889062 262424 :Virgolang!5e7bc673@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.198.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can I register my bot suffix? < 1441889337 454552 :Virgolang!5e7bc673@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.198.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my bot is virgoircb < 1441889365 570488 :VirgoIrcB!~VirgoIrcB@94.123.198.115 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441889373 202917 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Virgolang: connect to IRC using the bot's nick, and contact nickserv to register the account < 1441889388 826258 :Virgolang!5e7bc673@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.198.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1441889389 346398 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if you don't know how that works, send it a private message saying "help" and it'll explain) < 1441889527 634380 :VirgoIrcB!~VirgoIrcB@94.123.198.115 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1441889543 603873 :VirgoIrcB!~VirgoIrcB@94.123.198.115 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441889594 635496 :Virgolang!5e7bc673@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.198.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :&help < 1441889618 87774 :bender!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this works? < 1441889619 926120 :bender!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 PRIVMSG #esoteric :&help < 1441889623 896607 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it hasn't worked yet < 1441889631 29747 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it will eventually though < 1441889631 251443 :Virgolang!5e7bc673@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.198.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not currently :( < 1441889649 119236 :Virgolang!5e7bc673@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.198.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it bugged < 1441889696 377233 :VirgoIrcB!~VirgoIrcB@94.123.198.115 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1441889709 463842 :Virgolang!5e7bc673@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.198.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is tkinter based :) < 1441889712 325179 :VirgoIrcB!~VirgoIrcB@94.123.198.115 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441889717 403471 :Virgolang!5e7bc673@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.198.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :python gui :) < 1441889728 266461 :Virgolang!5e7bc673@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.198.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :&help < 1441889747 669930 :VirgoIrcB!~VirgoIrcB@94.123.198.115 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1441889762 333303 :VirgoIrcB!~VirgoIrcB@94.123.198.115 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441889772 988902 :Virgolang!5e7bc673@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.198.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :&help < 1441890010 860641 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.198.115 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441890025 333935 :Virgolang!5e7bc673@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.198.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i maked it virgobeta < 1441890027 307615 :VirgoIrcB!~VirgoIrcB@94.123.198.115 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1441890339 652980 :Virgolang!5e7bc673@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.198.115 QUIT :Changing host < 1441890339 831196 :Virgolang!5e7bc673@unaffiliated/virgolang JOIN :#esoteric < 1441890339 831239 :Virgolang!5e7bc673@unaffiliated/virgolang QUIT :Changing host < 1441890339 831259 :Virgolang!5e7bc673@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.198.115 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441890346 145204 :sc00fy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1441890475 23929 :bender!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 NICK :bender| < 1441890527 306112 :bender|!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 NICK :bender < 1441890564 7562 :Virgolang!5e7bc673@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.123.198.115 QUIT :Quit: #freenode "switching to xchat" < 1441890625 216099 :bender!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 NICK :Bender < 1441890882 332265 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-30-27.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1441890944 751928 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the program called that's an unholy merger of vim and emacs? < 1441890946 594335 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :space something? < 1441890973 609474 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :evil-mode, ah < 1441890990 706909 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.198.115 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1441891682 291285 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :aka crippled-mode < 1441891764 31319 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: there are a bunch of different vim implementations inside the Emacs engine < 1441891768 926422 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think evil may be the most popular atm? < 1441891774 945497 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but Emacs certainly isn't lacking in decent editors! < 1441891810 962382 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also, using vim via Emacs is probably the optimum because you still get all Emacs functionality other than editing, and Emacs beats vim by a long way at non-editing functionality) < 1441891910 303104 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1441891917 460265 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what I'm considering aiming to do for exactly that reason < 1441891922 659522 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I want to look at neovim too < 1441892044 201911 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :though I kind of wish there was a vim-like editor which was rewritten from scratch, as opposed to how neovim is just a fork < 1441892103 23588 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is vim's internal implementation particularly bad? < 1441892123 320842 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1441892139 636697 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :vimscript is a mess, but it's the user-facing mess < 1441892151 816641 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :different modules are written using completely different styles < 1441892170 550407 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(e.g. the syntax highlighting module wraps everything into a monolithic :syntax command; most other commands are split out) < 1441892215 880264 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should probably try to write a good editor that does only what I need, but does that well. But it's a big task, and dangerous because the editor is a critical piece of software: if it's buggy you can lose data. < 1441892223 912362 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1441892224 474045 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Corrupt data that is. < 1441892230 646713 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I'm not sure what interface I really want. < 1441892314 941608 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :vim's mode-based interface is gold < 1441892318 883885 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, vi's < 1441892326 352299 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the fundmental reason people sitll use it < 1441892398 52053 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know some things that I don't like, and some things I like, but there are some things I'm undecided about < 1441892425 702955 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The vim-like mode-based interface is one I'm still undecided about. Maybe I should try to make the best of both a moded and a modeless interface, and try both. < 1441892499 267502 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I don't like about vim is how it's so line-based. < 1441892572 832088 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know mode-based makes more sense because there's so many commands that I want to be easy to type, probably more than there are keys available, < 1441892583 807673 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still. < 1441892677 738386 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :line-based how? < 1441892757 605801 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441892870 780680 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.190.253.145 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441893344 558207 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :by default you can't even move the cursor beyond the end of a line outside insert mode < 1441893376 336820 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(although I believe there's an option to change that behaviour now) < 1441893409 746811 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH JOIN :#esoteric < 1441893451 120713 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :definitely an option, i think it may even be on by default in the windows install < 1441893529 689079 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't seem to have set it specifically, it's probably part of the default "behave mswin" command < 1441893633 741000 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :my linux .vimrc has set backspace=indent,eol,start whichwrap+=<,>,[,] < 1441893655 124967 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait misread you < 1441893674 338767 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the virtualedit option < 1441893745 683101 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have that off by default though; it's actually annoying when you _do_ want to follow the end of line < 1441893859 331010 :pdxleif!~pdxleif@ec2-54-68-166-10.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1441893927 321923 :thutubot!~thutubot@147.188.254.132 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1441894029 349267 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1441894058 919937 :pdxleif!~pdxleif@ec2-54-68-166-10.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1441894125 519525 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1441894140 110681 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441894862 412777 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441895155 224571 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: vim is line based in that you can't easily move the cursor on a newline character, unless the line is empty < 1441895204 702027 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's why there's separate a and i commands necessary. < 1441895249 317877 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you can't erase a newline by pressing 0X for example < 1441895260 268126 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to use a special command, J, for erasing newlines < 1441895278 519474 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's for joining lines < 1441895287 488851 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd like the left and right cursor movements, delete, and the like, treat newlines like an ordinary character. < 1441895389 579391 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i believe you can configure them, at least in insert mode < 1441895433 82110 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :same as you can configure backspace to erase newlines < 1441895443 837595 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: maybe? but I think the whole thing with so many commands are wired up so much line-based that I doubt you could really configure it so much that it's no longer noticable. < 1441895457 463644 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure how < 1441895464 477730 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if you modify the common commands, there's a ton of other commands built on this < 1441895464 817850 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have this for the backspace thing set bs=eol,indent,start < 1441895478 392708 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's probably something similar for h and l < 1441895490 406176 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :this isn't really the only thing I don't like in vim though < 1441895500 637894 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is why I think it might be better to start from some other editor or write a new one < 1441895503 472687 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, vim's internals are horrible < 1441895509 202644 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to answer someone's question < 1441895594 181890 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's worth reading just as a morbid curiosity < 1441895596 546262 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :being line-based is perfectly fine for most programming tasks, methinks < 1441895709 657332 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: maybe. but it's just not what I like. and most other editors aren't so line-based. < 1441895740 249902 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :noone's forcing you to use it... < 1441895783 62523 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://vim.wikia.com/wiki/Automatically_wrap_left_and_right maybe this helps? < 1441895873 498622 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: no, that just lets you move from the last character of a line to the first character of the next line with the l command. it doesn't let you move the cursor to the newline character itself, unless there's an empty line. < 1441895909 364739 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see what you mean now < 1441895942 878061 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's because you're used to a vertical cursor instead of a block cursor < 1441896016 61641 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or perhaps I could make a layout that has modes (an insert mode and a normal mode that is), but the insert mode shortcuts are mapped such that you can run some of the most frequent commands without entering normal mode. < 1441896062 513634 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh just use something different :P < 1441896127 99709 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :vi is not meant to be the ultimate editor, perfect for everyone < 1441896416 388838 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-092-072-128-163.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Quit: Terminated < 1441896439 696122 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-092-072-128-163.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1441896479 323085 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-092-072-128-163.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Client Quit < 1441896957 201832 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang JOIN :#esoteric < 1441897322 708510 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I'm really curious as to whether it'd be possible to make vim use Emacs bindings, mostly as an esoproject (I don't think doing so would actually be /useful/) < 1441897331 647215 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably you'd have to be in insert mode constantly < 1441897335 311883 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-092-072-128-163.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1441897443 555572 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Virgolang: please stop CTCP flooding me < 1441897455 582767 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric +o :ais523 > 1441897455 590318 NAMES :#esoteric < 1441897457 619970 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :he loves you < 1441897462 547466 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 KICK #esoteric Virgolang :CTCP flooding in PM < 1441897476 24055 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, that actually stopped the CTCP flood, too < 1441897477 966883 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does kicking solve the problem? < 1441897478 768625 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang JOIN :#esoteric < 1441897481 172845 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1441897485 518956 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :technically it shouldnt solve the problem < 1441897487 51242 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it did < 1441897502 339240 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't stop it < 1441897503 370980 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CTCP flooding an op is generally a pretty bad idea anyway < 1441897512 651834 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well, it did actually stop when I kicked you < 1441897513 43619 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :i tried it < 1441897518 693185 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1441897523 254210 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I guess that's one solution < 1441897525 179418 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 MODE #esoteric -o :ais523 > 1441897525 186760 NAMES :#esoteric < 1441897557 914336 :fowl!fowl@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-hfvwzvgasvkdabgn PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's doing it to me < 1441897572 884572 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Virgolang: stop or I'll kick you again < 1441897585 307436 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if you can't stop I'll kick you to stop it, that seemed to work last time) < 1441897587 214838 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fowl: stil going? < 1441897601 986845 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have plenty of ignore keys to share, do you need some? < 1441897603 591093 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PART #esoteric :"Stop CTCP" < 1441897615 575658 :fowl!fowl@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-hfvwzvgasvkdabgn PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stopped now < 1441897620 951601 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :parting the channel seems to work < 1441897625 358372 :fowl!fowl@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-hfvwzvgasvkdabgn PRIVMSG #esoteric :That guy is retarded why don't you just ban him < 1441897646 163930 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang JOIN :#esoteric < 1441897648 371539 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this may be somehow related to the reason that the bot never does anything… < 1441897658 232004 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :.part #esoteric Stop CTCP < 1441897663 233193 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :i will use it < 1441897672 347503 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Virgolang: why are you CTCP flooding people in the first place, though? < 1441897673 184364 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :replace the dot with slash < 1441897683 402716 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not a very easy thing to do accidentally < 1441897707 116080 :MDream!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDude < 1441897719 55451 :fowl!fowl@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-hfvwzvgasvkdabgn PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is the same guy who sat in here spamming @bf expecting it to do something different each time < 1441897745 838854 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, @ is lambdabot < 1441897749 217992 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it even implement a bf command? < 1441897763 860968 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :what ctcp flood does < 1441897770 632733 :fowl!fowl@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-hfvwzvgasvkdabgn PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yea < 1441897819 420310 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :@bf +[,.>+] < 1441897820 812036 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :@bf ++++[>++++++++<-]>+. < 1441897832 583384 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was just trying -.- < 1441897832 858959 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: FWIW i am a long-time vim user but i've recently (mostly) switched to emacs + evil-mode; it was fairly painless < 1441897840 186724 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :@bf +[>++++<.] < 1441897841 253020 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plugin `bf' failed with: <> < 1441897846 675825 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :@bf +[>++++.] < 1441897856 250938 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plugin `bf' failed with: <> < 1441897862 174904 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plugin `bf' failed with: <> < 1441897899 63180 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :this isn't really expected < 1441897910 166071 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, at least the ! one seemed all right. < 1441898068 96549 :MDream!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441898122 574856 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :i added virgobeta an joining command < 1441898212 994904 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1441898324 812730 :Bender!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1441898333 22382 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will join VirgoBeta here < 1441898342 216388 :fowl!fowl@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-hfvwzvgasvkdabgn PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh cool he ctcpd me so much my client blocked him < 1441898344 150002 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.198.115 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441898355 818319 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.190.253.145 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1441898385 91831 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ashl: thanks, good to know < 1441898414 202765 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :VIRGOBETA'S PREFIX IS & < 1441898438 412903 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :&hi < 1441898452 840027 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does not have a command < 1441898462 927881 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds useful. < 1441898472 476023 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :i will add &hi. < 1441898495 277675 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: You gotta reserve those prefixes while they're still available. < 1441898548 570955 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: too much work hth < 1441898575 399695 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, that bot i kicked the other day had an interesting one. < 1441898597 256293 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :part of nick + period < 1441898790 707702 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1441898865 201264 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.198.115 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1441898898 98323 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :i added hi and help to it < 1441898913 669114 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :&hi < 1441898920 222971 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.198.115 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441898920 401085 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :one day it might even work < 1441898924 268060 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1441898927 121260 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :&hi < 1441898933 765510 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i rest my case < 1441898941 329147 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoops! < 1441899054 392628 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.198.115 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1441899067 375091 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it has gui < 1441899071 251133 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :tkinter gui < 1441899085 82495 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.198.115 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441899093 116452 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :&hi < 1441899096 916421 :sc00fy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1441899188 553780 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.198.115 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1441899215 221775 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.198.115 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441899219 385659 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :&hi < 1441899224 265353 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :&hi < 1441899234 287489 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :&hi < 1441899312 662094 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.198.115 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1441899337 580721 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.198.115 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441899344 468301 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :&hi < 1441899425 402335 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-__- < 1441899502 42517 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for some reason it's kind-of relaxing to see it not working < 1441899515 327726 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.198.115 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1441899520 863484 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is? < 1441899539 444895 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :./msg virgobeta &join #esoteric < 1441899583 743239 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric : /msg virgobeta &join #esoteric < 1441899587 198581 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.198.115 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441899599 670990 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :&hi < 1441899652 321832 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.198.115 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1441899679 829204 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.198.115 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441899687 477626 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :&hi < 1441899689 70272 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :&hi < 1441899714 26239 :fowl!fowl@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-hfvwzvgasvkdabgn PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1441899860 542154 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.198.115 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1441899873 467995 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :i resolved the problem! < 1441899885 656792 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.198.115 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441899886 637562 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know there is a channel for testing bots < 1441899902 143983 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or you could use your own < 1441899904 232836 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is < 1441899908 408419 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :&hi < 1441899961 729105 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://thingsmydickdoes.tumblr.com/ almost sfw < 1441899973 59786 :fowl!fowl@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-hfvwzvgasvkdabgn JOIN :#esoteric < 1441899993 6175 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.198.115 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1441900058 470017 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.198.115 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441900065 465195 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :&hi < 1441900093 248678 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.198.115 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1441900162 360525 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1441900180 272223 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.198.115 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441900186 200171 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :&hi < 1441900192 588509 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1441900199 737276 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.198.115 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1441900267 509054 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I'm really curious as to what's changing < 1441900277 313407 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :i debugging it < 1441900282 265642 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.198.115 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441900349 802262 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks like shotgun debugging. < 1441900376 301122 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.198.115 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1441900383 147940 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1441900384 20705 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :from here it looks like doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result < 1441900396 670141 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a word for that. < 1441900403 292802 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.198.115 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441900410 705904 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :&hi < 1441900424 118841 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't say < 1441900432 332918 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.198.115 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1441900445 892906 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it gets the join < 1441900448 343611 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :command < 1441900458 18333 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.198.115 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441900463 601321 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :&hi < 1441900478 634923 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :&hi < 1441900499 510069 :MDream!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDude < 1441900621 609238 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.198.115 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1441900651 448689 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.198.115 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441900666 992565 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :&help < 1441900727 468471 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just had a huge urge to wait until Virgolang is disconnected, then +q VirgoBeta < 1441900774 945419 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I think it'd be a really cruel abuse of op powers < 1441900777 158707 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I won't < 1441900791 998045 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.198.115 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1441900802 979247 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no matter how funny it would be < 1441900872 652329 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1441900886 143193 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's writing an irc bot. I think he might figure it out quicklyk. < 1441900921 143136 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm no, you're right ais523, it would be cruel < 1441900955 896973 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I /did/ just check to see if another op had thought of it before me, but apparently not < 1441900977 155071 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.198.115 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441900985 767985 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, apparently clog is +q'd < 1441900994 238671 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that… surprises me < 1441900998 75617 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :did it ever used to speak? < 1441901019 722123 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :&hi < 1441901035 118063 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :it finally runned. < 1441901041 114888 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :it gave exception < 1441901054 210181 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.198.115 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1441901077 786315 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.198.115 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441901082 416268 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :&hi < 1441901087 479450 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :h < 1441901091 345082 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :&hi < 1441901102 816840 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: also mode +z so he doesn't even see the 404 replies < 1441901129 922318 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does +z do? < 1441901166 540591 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: HELP CMODE < 1441901174 338033 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.198.115 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1441901180 601152 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: do you know why clog is +q? and would you be opposed to me unquieting it? < 1441901195 808312 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow that's a lot of output in a short time < 1441901202 497598 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least I didn't get sendq-killed < 1441901228 963698 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.198.115 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441901235 294863 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :&hi < 1441901277 440453 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.198.115 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1441901297 29270 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.198.115 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441901302 328693 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :&hi < 1441901344 839959 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: oh, and to make it even funnier, +b an extban of the type $j and randomly add and remove it to the control channel's banlist so it sometimes can't join this -n channel < 1441901361 783870 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1441901363 752099 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.198.115 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1441901386 852480 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, we are -n < 1441901387 638341 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :good < 1441901393 832759 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be even more evil < 1441901403 595758 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is n? < 1441901418 634904 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :-n < 1441901460 72553 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.198.115 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441901465 670447 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I think the reason was something silly. < 1441901466 383232 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :&hi < 1441901466 561149 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.198.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi, Virgolang! < 1441901470 580644 :sc00fy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1441901473 153751 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :yass! < 1441901492 427359 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm unquieting it then < 1441901496 257364 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks for patience :) < 1441901496 765356 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: in fact, maybe link an invite-only control channel with +b $j pre-emptively so you can pray invisible pranks in the future < 1441901497 890626 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric +o :ais523 > 1441901497 900866 NAMES :#esoteric < 1441901502 672263 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 MODE #esoteric -q :clog!*@* > 1441901502 679801 NAMES :#esoteric < 1441901505 607180 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 MODE #esoteric -o :ais523 > 1441901505 614861 NAMES :#esoteric < 1441901535 94371 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try it :) < 1441901553 527891 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :it will be more advanced . < 1441901559 368592 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :&help < 1441901563 611197 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :&help < 1441901577 108708 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops it gave exception! < 1441901602 917393 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.198.115 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1441901635 529262 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.198.115 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441901643 68660 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :&help < 1441901643 359976 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.198.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Commands -> hi < 1441901643 604386 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.198.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric : -> help < 1441901703 173649 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the big question is, is it written in an esolang? < 1441901722 213662 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1441901731 296359 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is written in python < 1441901738 967718 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :it will interpret bf < 1441901762 868431 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but doesn't atm? < 1441901784 598138 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :?? < 1441901796 476441 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :VirgoBeta bf: ++++++++++[->++++++++++<]>. < 1441901809 770266 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is not implemented . < 1441901827 756671 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :you give it commands using & prefix < 1441901827 934626 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@bf ++++++++++[->++++++++++<]>. < 1441901828 112731 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : d < 1441901837 448243 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :&bf ++++++++++[->++++++++++<]>. < 1441901841 774587 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is not implemented . < 1441901863 174213 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@unlambda `.ai < 1441901863 352181 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : a < 1441901867 312108 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :&unlambda `.ai < 1441901871 804767 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :&ul `.ai < 1441901881 504956 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is not implemented . < 1441901923 441942 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.198.115 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1441901965 699900 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :&ul (a)S < 1441901971 333794 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ul (a)S < 1441901971 511693 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you meant: url pl < 1441901975 515034 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (a)S < 1441901975 693011 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :a < 1441902018 381610 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! ul (a)S < 1441902018 990130 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/bin/!: 4: exec: ibin/ul: not found < 1441902022 260705 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! underload (a)S < 1441902023 241309 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a < 1441902026 618031 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, there we go < 1441902028 512822 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!underload (a)S < 1441902031 259396 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :a < 1441902038 220961 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: fungot's worked too < 1441902038 736063 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: its public information. and usually, the debugger is able to produce really cool apps, just pops up some menu on xchat < 1441902044 119094 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I wonder if that's an executable added manually < 1441902055 732667 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` type underload < 1441902056 427702 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: line 0: type: underload: not found < 1441902058 49206 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or if it's still the one written in brainfuck < 1441902069 165989 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that uses EgoBot's normal program storage mechanism < 1441902072 201223 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` type ibin/underload < 1441902072 885424 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ibin/underload is ibin/underload < 1441902077 174756 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` file ibin/underload < 1441902078 150976 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ibin/underload: POSIX shell script, ASCII text executable < 1441902082 160094 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` cat ibin/underload < 1441902082 863264 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/sh \ . lib/interp \ interp_file "./interps/underload/underload.bin -o" < 1441902090 728515 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the heck is ibin? < 1441902094 864460 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :interpreter binaries < 1441902098 421062 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's where `! looks < 1441902106 593309 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` cat /bin/\! < 1441902107 148591 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat: /bin/!: No such file or directory < 1441902115 998832 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` cat bin/\! < 1441902116 655368 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/sh \ CMD=`echo "$1" | cut -d' ' -f1` \ ARG=`echo "$1" | cut -d' ' -f2-` \ exec ibin/$CMD "$ARG" < 1441902129 752356 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` file ibin/interps/underload/underload.bin < 1441902130 288140 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ibin/interps/underload/underload.bin: ERROR: cannot open `ibin/interps/underload/underload.bin' (No such file or directory) < 1441902131 475037 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that looks horrible < 1441902134 490328 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` file interps/underload/underload.bin < 1441902135 158091 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :interps/underload/underload.bin: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.26, BuildID[sha1]=0x56cc5c218b67ee1e4890125833d546090d74d288, not stripped < 1441902141 468361 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :horrible < 1441902144 352367 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` nm interps/underload/underload.bin < 1441902147 850927 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :0000000000602650 d _DYNAMIC \ 0000000000602838 d _GLOBAL_OFFSET_TABLE_ \ U _IO_getc@@GLIBC_2.2.5 \ U _IO_putc@@GLIBC_2.2.5 \ 0000000000401c38 R _IO_stdin_used \ w _ITM_deregisterTMCloneTable \ w _ITM_registerTMCloneTable \ w _Jv_RegisterClasses \ 0000000000402630 r < 1441902160 314439 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is linux based < 1441902162 84892 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :. < 1441902164 256168 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` nm interps/underload/underload.bin | cut -f3 < 1441902165 22646 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :0000000000602650 d _DYNAMIC \ 0000000000602838 d _GLOBAL_OFFSET_TABLE_ \ U _IO_getc@@GLIBC_2.2.5 \ U _IO_putc@@GLIBC_2.2.5 \ 0000000000401c38 R _IO_stdin_used \ w _ITM_deregisterTMCloneTable \ w _ITM_registerTMCloneTable \ w _Jv_RegisterClasses \ 0000000000402630 r < 1441902170 757761 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bleh, cut never does what I want it to < 1441902172 58273 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :mine is windows < 1441902179 29710 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :based < 1441902182 847165 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` nm interps/underload/underload.bin | cut -d' ' -f3 < 1441902183 387593 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :_DYNAMIC \ _GLOBAL_OFFSET_TABLE_ \ \ \ _IO_stdin_used \ \ \ \ __FRAME_END__ \ __JCR_END__ \ __JCR_LIST__ \ __TMC_END__ \ __bss_start \ __data_start \ __do_global_dtors_aux \ __do_global_dtors_aux_fini_array_entry \ __dso_handle \ __frame_dummy_init_array_entry \ \ __init_array_end \ __init_array_start \ __libc_csu_fini \ __libc_csu_init \ \ < 1441902194 607807 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nrmjozsvzsdwnuzw QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1441902196 804697 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` nm interps/underload/underload.bin | cut -d' ' -f3 | sort -u | grep -v ^_ < 1441902197 624070 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ \ call_gmon_start \ checkfree \ completed.6092 \ data_start \ debuglevel \ deregister_tm_clones \ error \ frame_dummy \ ip \ lang \ main \ malloc_el \ popstack \ pushstack \ register_tm_clones \ serialize \ serialize_underload \ stack \ stderr@@GLIBC_2.2.5 \ stdin@@GLIBC_2.2.5 \ stdout@@GLIBC_2.2.5 \ unigetc \ uniputc \ zerostack < 1441902205 637113 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's more like it < 1441902209 690830 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :heheh < 1441902219 65870 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ldd interps/underload/underload.bin < 1441902220 170559 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ linux-vdso.so.1 => (0x0000007fbffff000) \ libc.so.6 => /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc.so.6 (0x0000000040002000) \ /lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 (0x000000552aaaa000) < 1441902239 43242 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls -l interps/underload/underload.bin < 1441902239 839166 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​-rwxr-xr-x 1 5000 0 33988 Apr 15 07:51 interps/underload/underload.bin < 1441902250 259803 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever source that's using doesn't appear to be online (no hits for "serialize_underload") < 1441902257 420215 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls interps/underload < 1441902258 299986 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :underload.bin \ underload.c < 1441902263 330390 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :was hoping the source would be in the bot, and it is < 1441902268 739790 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`paste interps/underload/underload.c < 1441902271 541677 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/interps/underload/underload.c < 1441902297 584799 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's got to be me who wrote that < 1441902322 593047 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes, it's derlo < 1441902361 959914 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, there are a tons of clues it was me who wrote it < 1441902371 229554 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even despite the lack of attribution < 1441902387 404062 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the biggest is probably the troll indentation < 1441902449 624876 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a paste command to get data faster then through irc? < 1441902461 575745 :sc00fy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1441902462 922541 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a reverse of that, to send data faster than I could through irc? < 1441902482 240888 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there is, but I can't remember what it is < 1441902493 105732 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that I couldn't send a lot of data with another both through irc, even with the server's throttling, but still < 1441902499 866542 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe `fetch < 1441902707 874940 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.198.115 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441902712 725285 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :&help < 1441902712 903254 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.198.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Commands -> hi < 1441902713 81206 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.198.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric : -> help < 1441902713 81302 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.198.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric : -> bf < 1441902713 81385 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.198.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric : -> *unlambda < 1441902713 81419 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.198.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric : -> *ul < 1441902713 362277 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.198.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note: Commands with * is planned to implement. < 1441902732 88866 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :&bf ,[.,]!Hello, world! < 1441902732 266880 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.198.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> < 1441902739 724650 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1441902745 889891 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :&bf ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++. < 1441902746 67906 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :&bf ++++++++++[->++++++++++<]>. < 1441902746 67975 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.198.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> . < 1441902746 245991 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.198.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> d < 1441902757 546228 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :&bf ++++++++++[->++++++++++<]>. < 1441902757 724300 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.198.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> d < 1441902759 955341 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right, it's not using the ! convention to take input < 1441902767 515855 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul ,[.,]!Hello, world! < 1441902767 693842 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : ...bad insn! < 1441902769 903859 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1441902773 190474 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf ,[.,]!Hello, world! < 1441902773 368473 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, world! < 1441902793 515369 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :&bf +[,.>+] < 1441902793 693553 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.198.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> -8192 < 1441902809 501045 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :-8192 means overloop < 1441902819 341700 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has loop protection < 1441902832 971216 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :&bf , < 1441902833 149268 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.198.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> < 1441902841 375772 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :,. < 1441902845 423026 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :&bf ,. < 1441902845 604225 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.198.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> < 1441902914 159828 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :&bf +[] < 1441902932 753511 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :where does , read input from? < 1441902976 650686 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :&bf ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++. < 1441902978 59268 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.198.115 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1441902986 790831 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :nowhere < 1441903003 355013 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :input disabled < 1441903004 743391 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, you should probably ensure that a loop like +[] doesn't hang the bot or waste your CPU < 1441903018 87971 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the usual way to do this is to put a limit on how many instructions the program will run before exiting < 1441903022 266836 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has loop protection < 1441903030 920330 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :max. 2560 < 1441903047 87314 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :&help < 1441903055 160457 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is not here -.- < 1441903057 961314 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.198.115 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441903063 573879 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :try it < 1441903075 24460 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :&bf +[.] < 1441903075 202392 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.198.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> Loop protection. < 1441903079 893785 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :&bf +[+.] < 1441903080 71709 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.198.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :->  < 1441903110 875990 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :&bf , < 1441903111 53970 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.198.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> No inputs! < 1441903111 231944 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.198.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> < 1441903186 72489 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :&bf ++++++++++.>+++++++++++[>++++++++++>++++++++>+++++++>+++<<<<-]>>>+++.++.---------.<--.>++++.<---.>------.>-.+++.<<++++++++++++++++++.<+++++.----.+++++.>.<--.>++++.------.>>---.<-------------.<-----.<+++.>++++++++++++++.>>.<------------------.<<-.>-------.<-.+.>>+.<------------------.>>----------------------. < 1441903186 250515 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.198.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> < 1441903186 250560 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.198.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (test)S < 1441903186 428454 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :test < 1441903199 614181 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.198.115 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1441903225 69475 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.198.115 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441903230 371527 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :&bf ++++++++++.>+++++++++++[>++++++++++>++++++++>+++++++>+++<<<<-]>>>+++.++.---------.<--.>++++.<---.>------.>-.+++.<<++++++++++++++++++.<+++++.----.+++++.>.<--.>++++.------.>>---.<-------------.<-----.<+++.>++++++++++++++.>>.<------------------.<<-.>-------.<-.+.>>+.<------------------.>>----------------------. < 1441903230 549482 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.198.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> < 1441903230 549537 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.198.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (test)S < 1441903230 727603 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :test < 1441903257 457033 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :&help < 1441903257 635174 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.198.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Commands -> hi < 1441903257 813264 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.198.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric : -> help < 1441903257 813326 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.198.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric : -> bf < 1441903257 813348 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.198.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric : -> *unlambda < 1441903257 813366 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.198.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric : -> *ul < 1441903258 451520 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.198.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note: Commands with * is planned to implement. < 1441903259 78376 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1441903265 862614 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello hp < 1441903270 470731 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why not a stack-rewriting paradigm? < 1441903273 523519 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi, Virgolang! < 1441903277 17351 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good to see you! < 1441903281 538120 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :Same! < 1441903289 125947 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Won't be on too much, as I'm in school right now < 1441903290 172195 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1441903297 959967 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1441903304 91811 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :try &hi < 1441903309 354394 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :&hi < 1441903309 570532 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.198.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi, ais523! < 1441903317 221526 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :lets try my bot! < 1441903321 195292 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1441903321 509668 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :&hi < 1441903321 688686 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.198.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi, Virgolang! < 1441903324 304390 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just got your message < 1441903326 300336 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1441903331 328735 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's annoying < 1441903335 966299 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry. < 1441903341 914409 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not your fault < 1441903349 270228 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :&help < 1441903349 448010 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.198.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Commands -> hi < 1441903349 626130 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.198.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric : -> help < 1441903349 626233 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.198.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric : -> bf < 1441903349 626253 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.198.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric : -> *unlambda < 1441903349 626272 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.198.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric : -> *ul < 1441903349 626290 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.198.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note: Commands with * is planned to implement. < 1441903351 53439 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everyone forgets a password eventually < 1441903359 14194 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :yea < 1441903378 141279 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So how about a stack-processing paradigm? < 1441903387 863705 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is good < 1441903390 412598 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/processing/rewriting/ < 1441903406 863583 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh? < 1441903433 146716 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric +o :ais523 > 1441903433 155018 NAMES :#esoteric < 1441903439 874131 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 MODE #esoteric +o :VirgoBeta > 1441903439 882716 NAMES :#esoteric < 1441903441 390282 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 MODE #esoteric -o :ais523 > 1441903441 397800 NAMES :#esoteric < 1441903448 907836 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :&bf ++++++++++.>+++++++++++++++[>++++++++>+++++++>+++++>++<<<<-]>>>.--.------.++++++++.>++.+++.<<----.<-----.----.+++++.>.<--.---------.------.>>>---.<+++++++++++.<++++.+++++++++.>+++++++++++++++++.++++++++.---.<<--.>>++.-------.>.++++++++++++++++++++++++++.<+.+.>--------------------------.<<<-----------.>>.<.>--.<---.>+++++.-----------.<-.-------.>>+.-----------------------. < 1441903449 85796 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.198.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> < 1441903449 85851 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.198.115 KICK #esoteric Virgolang :hi Virgolang! < 1441903453 567895 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric +o :ais523 > 1441903453 575677 NAMES :#esoteric < 1441903455 418336 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 MODE #esoteric -o :VirgoBeta > 1441903455 426503 NAMES :#esoteric < 1441903457 583538 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 MODE #esoteric -o :ais523 > 1441903457 591771 NAMES :#esoteric < 1441903460 134032 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :o_o < 1441903475 242368 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang JOIN :#esoteric < 1441903479 447857 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :trolled! < 1441903485 175504 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't realise until today how much I'd wanted a bot to kick its own owner < 1441903490 830468 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Virgolang: you should probably not output newlines literally < 1441903495 979420 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an injection hole < 1441903509 286367 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could have made the bot, say, register under a password I controlled, in which case you'd lose control of the account < 1441903534 943872 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example, EgoBot uses " \ " to represent a newline < 1441903583 395939 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry about the kick, btw < 1441903588 148322 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :i will make it "\" < 1441903598 869295 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are welcome < 1441903599 176562 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mbxjyzgnivxfodux JOIN :#esoteric < 1441903663 619568 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Virgolang: Did you add an email to your Esolangs account? < 1441903674 682984 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1441903687 945706 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh :/ < 1441903694 105486 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was /probably/ a mistake < 1441903706 731933 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have any clue what the password might be?? < 1441903716 305644 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or was it something you aren't going to be able to remember? < 1441903763 71498 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like asdfjkl; < 1441903778 613892 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :i will try logging in < 1441903839 431870 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Stare14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=44128 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+170) 10Created Page Virgolang < 1441903848 612074 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1441903863 231152 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :i will register as Virgolang < 1441903887 969331 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That works too < 1441903894 362010 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Less confusing < 1441903904 836795 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay! duplicated line length! < 1441903944 72064 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Virgolang 5* 10New user account < 1441903957 350737 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: asdfjkl; is both reasonably memorable and massively insecure < 1441903966 893739 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's probably in the list of the top 1000 most commonly used passwords < 1441903972 354221 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know xD < 1441903991 374516 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was wondering if /he'd/ get that < 1441904009 456361 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Virgolang: Do they use QWERTY keyboards where you live? < 1441904020 191024 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1441904023 672130 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: the thing about that sort of subtle trolling is that the success and failure states look much the same < 1441904040 50887 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :True, true < 1441904043 460659 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means it doesn't really work < 1441904047 630456 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know < 1441904057 384794 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's still a /bit/ entertaining though < 1441904090 231997 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is like the time on Reddit where someone wrote /bin/false in C, compiled it with mingw, and submitted it to virus scanners, with many saying it was malicious < 1441904091 114642 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.198.115 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1441904102 289351 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interesting < 1441904111 850693 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and someone tried to argue that virus scanners should report it because it's a good minimal testcase for an exploit < 1441904113 745795 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.198.115 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441904120 326575 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It /is/ malicious < 1441904121 863842 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1441904125 5571 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :test it < 1441904131 883019 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Test what? < 1441904134 488797 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :&hi < 1441904134 666794 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.198.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi, hppavilion[1]! < 1441904138 621999 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :&bye < 1441904138 800048 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :the &bf < 1441904138 800105 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.198.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye is not implemented. Sorry. < 1441904139 182573 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I was thinking "that's pretty much the worst possible testcase for an exploit: /bin/false's behaviour is to do nothing, and report an error, which is pretty much identical to what you'd get if the exploit didn't work" < 1441904144 944008 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1441904150 241467 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :&hi WalrusMan < 1441904150 425584 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.198.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi is not implemented. Sorry. < 1441904162 102277 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :pls wait < 1441904165 775150 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should do some new stuff with "hi" < 1441904167 30243 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :GTG < 1441904167 799385 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bai < 1441904261 600203 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rainbow welcomes seem to be popular around here (although apparently they became less popular when I started mocking them relentlessly; I just haven't stopped mocking them yet) < 1441904321 285129 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.198.115 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1441904343 273529 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.198.115 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441904364 714274 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION ./me < 1441904399 698840 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :&bf -[----->+<]>----.+[----->+<]>---.--------.--[--->+<]>-.[-->+++<]>--.+.+[----->+<]>---.--------. < 1441904399 876770 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.198.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> /me ./me < 1441904418 677922 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1441904431 116368 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :&bf -[----->+<]>----.+[----->+<]>---.--------.--[--->+<]>-.[-->+++<]>--.+.+[----->+<]>---.--------.>++++++++++. < 1441904431 294326 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.198.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> Loop protection. < 1441904434 963579 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :&bf -[----->+<]>----.+[----->+<]>---.--------.--[--->+<]>-.[-->+++<]>--.+.+[----->+<]>---.--------.>++++++++++. < 1441904435 145332 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.198.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> Loop protection. < 1441904436 34152 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :&bf -[----->+<]>----.+[----->+<]>---.--------.--[--->+<]>-.[-->+++<]>--.+.+[----->+<]>---.--------.>++++++++++. < 1441904436 212175 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.198.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> Loop protection. < 1441904459 433634 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :&bf -[----->+<]>----.[--->+<]>++++++.--.------.++++++++.-[++>---<]>+.--[->++++<]>.>++++++++++. < 1441904459 613321 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.198.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> /kick x \ < 1441904473 462006 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :injection testing < 1441904533 484088 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :&bf ++++++++++.>+++++++++++[>++++++++++>++++++++>+++++++>+++<<<<-]>>>+++.++.---------.<--.>++++.<---.>------.>-.+++.<<++++++++++++++++++.<+++++.----.+++++.>.<--.>++++.------.>>---.<-------------.<-----.<+++.>++++++++++++++.>>.<------------------.<<-.>-------.<-.+.>>+.<------------------.>>----------------------. < 1441904533 698569 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.198.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> \ PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (test)S \ < 1441904544 683298 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's how I injected the first time, and yes, seems to be fixed now < 1441904850 204264 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :implementing unlambda is very hard! < 1441904921 113100 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Virgo14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44129&oldid=44092 5* 03Virgolang 5* (+34) 10 < 1441905099 570919 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Virgolang: indeed < 1441905110 596255 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you read the official unlambda website? it talks about what some of the problems are < 1441905120 346445 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Underload is easier, if you want to start with that one first < 1441905880 466981 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :&help < 1441905880 645028 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.198.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Commands -> hi < 1441905880 823042 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.198.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric : -> help < 1441905880 823115 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.198.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric : -> bf < 1441905880 823136 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.198.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric : -> *unlambda < 1441905880 823155 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.198.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric : -> *ul < 1441905881 271136 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.198.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note: Commands with * is planned to implement. < 1441906188 410209 :|f`-`|f!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1441906199 490362 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :too much banned :) < 1441906218 654186 :|f`-`|f!~rikc@108.65.78.116 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441906220 110169 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :Window > Ban List < 1441906321 879306 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this channel's been around for /ages/ < 1441906327 800120 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :yrd < 1441906328 680557 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are lots of people who we've needed to ban < 1441906331 504662 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :*yes < 1441906351 129893 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :flooders, trollers, spammers... < 1441906361 720864 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Has it really been that long? It feels like it started only yesterday. < 1441906386 589884 :sc00fy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1441906522 878181 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :sample: edtoast_46!*@* < 1441906544 532393 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :*!*Fat@*.neo.res.rr.com < 1441906661 691269 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :to got unbanned, unplug your modem and wait 5 minutes < 1441906677 752485 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :that 5 minutes is so irritating < 1441906703 282551 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :so he/she will not try to do that again < 1441906775 453395 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :myth: this is an interesting topic < 1441907003 678031 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I think I've been here longer than you have, and it had been around for ages even when I first joined < 1441907015 55078 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am making virgo interpreter < 1441907016 438081 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1441907076 578680 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I joined late 2002. < 1441907099 621921 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: And I don't think it had really been around for long before that; I do remember the mailing list discussions about having a channel. < 1441907111 632488 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, OK, maybe I just don't remember you from back then < 1441907121 644111 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd have joined about 2006, I think, maybe 2005 < 1441907131 964663 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did a couple of (months-long?) period of absences/lurkery. < 1441907139 614037 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think my first connection used Chatzilla for SunOS < 1441907163 835630 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.198.115 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1441907166 420133 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :My first connection was on a SparcStation 5 running... uh, SomeBSD. That's kind of similar. < 1441907251 179853 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Said SparcStation 5 has spent the last 8 months in the corner of our living room, because I was going to donate it to elliott but haven't managed to arrange the practicals yet. < 1441907341 467591 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(If they even still want it and/or live in the same country and/or anything.) < 1441907552 780943 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-64-77.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1441907969 453286 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.198.115 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441907978 885731 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :play with it < 1441907986 55194 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :&hi < 1441907998 123774 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :&hi < 1441908023 356303 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it crashed? < 1441908041 384017 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.198.115 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1441908071 672287 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.198.115 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441908075 611380 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :&hi < 1441908116 897655 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.198.115 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1441908209 557226 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :&hi < 1441908216 287247 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.198.115 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441908223 248452 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :&help < 1441908223 583549 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.198.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Commands -> hi < 1441908223 820823 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.198.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric : -> help < 1441908223 998818 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.198.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric : -> bf < 1441908223 998884 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.198.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric : -> *unlambda < 1441908223 998906 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.198.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric : -> *ul < 1441908224 403737 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.198.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note: Commands with * is planned to implement. < 1441908230 329755 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :&hi < 1441908230 507675 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.198.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi, Virgolang! < 1441908246 714901 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :&bf +[.] < 1441908246 930491 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.198.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> Loop protection. < 1441908395 427222 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a traditional test to do on all things like this. < 1441908400 904799 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :&bf ++++++++++[>++++++++++>+++++++>++++++++>+<<<<-]>++.+++++++++..>>>.<+.++++.<+++.>-.>++++++++++++++++++++++.<<---------------.<+++++++++. < 1441908401 122344 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.198.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> foo \ QUIT :x < 1441908407 543335 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it passes that. < 1441908419 667865 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.198.115 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1441908727 807159 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :&help < 1441908744 410084 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's pretty hard to accidentally code a bot so it takes its out output as input < 1441908753 562789 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Virgolang: It's gone < 1441908759 635372 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :&bf ++++++++++[->++++++++++<]>.. < 1441908768 203357 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :It timed out < 1441908775 363299 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :it will come here < 1441908778 398288 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"< ais523> Underload is easier, if you want to start with that one first" < 1441908784 912543 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? Underload easier than unlambda? no way < 1441908785 311349 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.198.115 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441908792 448237 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: much easier IMO < 1441908804 368461 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :&bf +[] < 1441908819 75034 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should be frozen < 1441908821 610764 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it's easier to write hello worlds in underload because you can type a message without per-character escaping < 1441908832 630023 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Well, it passes that. ← it does /now/, I was exploiting it earlier < 1441908840 531323 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it was fixed < 1441908863 600377 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.198.115 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1441908879 392384 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, yes, I see what you mean < 1441908890 136268 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.198.115 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441908897 764182 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :&bf +[] < 1441908899 734241 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have to be somewhat careful about output < 1441908902 709350 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :&bf x++++[->+++++<]>[->++++++] < 1441908908 975459 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :&bf +[.] < 1441908913 564913 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :&bf x++++[->+++++<]>[->++++++]. < 1441908920 520896 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is broken again < 1441908921 992461 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric ::8 < 1441908924 870427 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :&bf x++++[->+++++<]>[->++++++<]>. < 1441908927 983374 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Virgolang: Odd, it detected an overly long loop before < 1441908930 808642 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, I'm just writing typos in the code\ < 1441908937 891475 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not good in brainfuck < 1441908940 741433 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it goes into infinite loops now? < 1441908952 740713 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :&bf +[>++++<.] < 1441908960 714089 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.198.115 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1441908969 311007 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1441909000 351227 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.198.115 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441909018 911918 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :&bf x++++[->+++++<]>[->++++++<]>. < 1441909019 166976 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.198.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> x < 1441909025 691917 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :&bf y++++[->+++++<]>[->++++++<]>+. < 1441909025 951003 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.198.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> y < 1441909055 394709 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :&bf x++++[->+++++<]>[->++++++<]>. < 1441909055 647588 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.198.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> x < 1441909056 763211 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :&bf +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++. < 1441909056 941210 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.198.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> ! < 1441909083 152458 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :&bf x++++[->+++++<]>[->++++++<]>>>+++++[-<+++++>]<[<.>] < 1441909083 331380 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.198.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> Loop protection. < 1441909085 426269 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :&bf [[[ < 1441909099 112399 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exception < 1441909103 578533 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :it gave < 1441909104 662126 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@bf ++++[->+++++<]>[->++++++<]>>>+++++[-<+++++>]<[<.>] < 1441909109 276724 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :&bf [] < 1441909109 454737 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.198.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> < 1441909119 804707 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! bf ++++[->+++++<]>[->++++++<]>>>+++++[-<+++++>]<[<.>] < 1441909121 878924 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx < 1441909135 299094 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :&bf ++++[->+++++<]>[->++++++<]>>>+++++[-<+++++>]<[<.>] < 1441909135 516705 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.198.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> Loop protection. < 1441909143 774576 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! bf ++++[->+++++<]>[->++++++<]>>>+++++[-<+++++>]<[-<.>] < 1441909144 436000 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx < 1441909147 788877 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :&bf ++++[->+++++<]>[->++++++<]>>>+++++[-<+++++>]<[-<.>] < 1441909147 966871 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.198.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx < 1441909162 6835 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :&bf ++++[->+++++<]>[->++++++<]>>>>+++++[-<+++++>]<[-<+++>]<[-<.>] < 1441909162 206556 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.198.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx < 1441909170 519041 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :&bf ++++[->+++++<]>[->++++++<]>>>>+++++[-<+++++>]<[-<+++++>]<[-<.>] < 1441909170 699098 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.198.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx < 1441909188 286146 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :&bf ++++[->+++++<]>[->++++++<]>>>> +++++++[-<++++++>]<[-<+++++>]< [-<.>] < 1441909188 535828 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.198.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx < 1441909194 420723 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :&bf +++++++++++[>+++++++>++++++++++>+++>+<<<<-]>-.>+..+.>-.<.++.---.+++++.<+++++++++++++++++++++++++.--.>.<++++++.++++++.-.>>++++++++++++++. < 1441909194 896619 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.198.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> Loop protection. < 1441909198 839348 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :&bf ++++[->+++++<]>[->++++++<]>>>> +++++++[-<+++++++>]<[-<++++++>]< [-<.>] < 1441909199 111326 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.198.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx < 1441909200 34718 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf +++++++++++[>+++++++>++++++++++>+++>+<<<<-]>-.>+..+.>-.<.++.---.+++++.<+++++++++++++++++++++++++.--.>.<++++++.++++++.-.>>++++++++++++++. < 1441909200 213544 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Loop protection. < 1441909218 691045 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :&bf , < 1441909218 876665 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.198.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> No inputs. < 1441909219 431037 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :&bf ++++[->+++++<]>[->++++++<]>>>> +++++++[-<+++++++>]<[-<+++++>]< [-<.>] < 1441909219 626293 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.198.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx < 1441909251 168751 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :&bf ++++[->+++++<]>[->++++++<]>>>> ++++[-<++++>]<[-<++++ [-<.>]>] < 1441909251 372717 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.198.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx < 1441909257 632952 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :&bf ++++[->+++++<]>[->++++++<]>>>> ++++[-<++++>]<[-<++++++++ [-<.>]>] < 1441909257 901507 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.198.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx < 1441909265 862168 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :&bf ++++[->+++++<]>[->++++++<]>>>> ++++++++[-<++++>]<[-<++++++++ [-<.>]>] < 1441909266 130635 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.198.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx < 1441909277 690958 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :&bf ++++[->+++++<]>[->++++++<]>>>> ++++++++[-<++++++++>]<[-<++++++++ [-<.>]>] <-. < 1441909277 894652 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.198.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> Loop protection. < 1441909282 762479 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :&bf ++++[->+++++<]>[->++++++<]>>>> ++++++++[-<+++++++>]<[-<++++++++ [-<.>]>] <-. < 1441909283 24646 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.198.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> Loop protection. < 1441909286 210368 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :&bf >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> < 1441909286 412753 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.198.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> < 1441909287 756848 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :&bf ++++[->+++++<]>[->++++++<]>>>> ++++++++[-<++++++>]<[-<++++++++ [-<.>]>] <-. < 1441909288 455730 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.198.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxÿ < 1441909295 35875 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :&bf ++++[->+++++<]>[->++++++<]>>>> ++++++++[-<++++++>]<[-<++++++++ [-<.>]>] <<-. < 1441909295 280393 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.198.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxw < 1441909308 984147 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :&bf ++++[->+++++<]>[->++++++<]>>>> ++++++++[-<++++++>]<[-<++++++++ [-<+.>]>] <<-. < 1441909309 259002 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.198.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> Loop protection. < 1441909319 431633 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :&bf ++++[->+++++<]>[->++++++<]>>>> ++++++++[-<++++>]<[-<++++++++ [-<+.>]>] <<-. < 1441909319 667987 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.198.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> yz{|}~€‚ƒ„…†‡ˆ‰Š‹ŒŽ‘’“”•–—˜™š›œžŸ ¡¢£¤¥¦§¨©ª«¬­®¯°±²³´µ¶·¸¹º»¼½¾¿ÀÁÂÃÄÅÆÇÈÉÊËÌÍÎÏÐÑÒÓÔÕÖ×ØÙÚÛÜÝÞßàáâãäåæçèéêëìíîïðñòóôõö÷øùúûüýþÿ < 1441909330 611624 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatareyoudoing < 1441909338 9620 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :&bf ++++[->+++++<]>[->++++++<]>>>> ++++++++[-<++++>]<[-<++++++++ [-<+++++++.>]>] <<-. < 1441909338 480028 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.198.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> Loop protection. < 1441909342 419993 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1441909350 4205 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! bf ++++[->+++++<]>[->++++++<]>>>> ++++++++[-<++++>]<[-<++++++++ [-<+++++++.>]>] <<-. < 1441909350 919001 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​  '.5+++++<]>[->++++++<]>>>> ++++++++[-<++++>]<[-<++++++++ [-<+.>]>] <<-. < 1441909395 287897 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yz{|}~.. \ < 1441909400 250733 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has limit of 2560 executions < 1441909404 184570 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh < 1441909410 564051 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that very little for brainfuck? < 1441909415 930396 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, it's not a very efficient language < 1441909425 177108 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-128-163.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! bf +++++++++++++++. < 1441909425 937153 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ < 1441909455 311208 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :should it be 8192? < 1441909465 42888 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-128-163.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now you’re even messing up my normal client! < 1441909479 416004 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: should we move to #esoteric-blah ? < 1441909496 210845 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.198.115 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1441909505 477994 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: I turned +C on, but there's not much else I can do against non-ASCII < 1441909505 656097 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: fix your client. cat -v < 1441909512 802655 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So how to implement JMP in my ISA? < 1441909534 626818 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jump is going to be inefficient, most likely, as my instruction set doesn't have fixed argument locations < 1441909554 370586 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I'll have to start at the beginning of the program and continue until I find my desired location < 1441909568 503603 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :UNLESS I separate the program into an array PRIOR to execution < 1441909570 727011 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what I'll do < 1441909588 98897 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.198.115 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441909593 906865 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: you could jump to a particular byte, rather than a particular command < 1441909598 664777 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what machine code does < 1441909599 394485 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :it came back < 1441909605 988856 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :&hi ais523 < 1441909606 166708 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.198.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi, ais523! (from Virgolang) < 1441909618 651095 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome VirgoBeta < 1441909619 550218 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :VirgoBeta: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: . (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.) < 1441909690 949647 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :'help < 1441909698 414322 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :`help < 1441909698 592350 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Runs arbitrary code in GNU/Linux. Type "`", or "`run " for full shell commands. "`fetch " downloads files. Files saved to $PWD are persistent, and $PWD/bin is in $PATH. $PWD is a mercurial repository, "`revert " can be used to revert to a revision. See http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/ < 1441909710 431967 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat < 1441909736 791851 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops i stopped hackego < 1441909738 811064 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1441909740 989907 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1441909807 488480 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :`fetch http://download.thinkbroadband.com/100MB.zip < 1441909810 765951 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wälcåmä VirgoBeta < 1441909812 33116 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :VirgoBeta: Wälcåmä tå thä international hub for äsotäric programming languagä design and däplåymänt! Får morä infårmatiån, chäck åut åur wiki: . (Får thä othär kind åf esåterica, try #esåteric ån ÄFnet år DALnät.) < 1441909826 87530 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1441909837 746235 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1441909848 517521 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :`fetch http://download.thinkbroadband.com/100MB.zip < 1441909878 805946 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1441909914 932290 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :`100MB.zio|echo < 1441909915 718949 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: 100MB.zio|echo: not found < 1441909919 396673 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :`100MB.zip|echo < 1441909919 854303 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: 100MB.zip|echo: not found < 1441909926 620088 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls < 1441909927 191845 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​:-( \ 0 \ 113500 \ a \ a.o \ a.out \ argv.py \ bdsmreclist \ bin \ blah \ blah \ blah \ blah \ blah \ blah \ canary \ cat \ Complaints \ :-D \ dc \ dog \ emoticons \ error.log \ etc \ factor \ faith \ fu \ head \ hello \ hello.c \ hi \ hours \ ibin \ index.html?dl=1812 \ interps \ le \ letersort \ lib \ madness \ MaFV \ oerjan \ paste \ people.p < 1441909942 293080 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :`md < 1441909942 874496 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: md: not found < 1441909950 622318 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :`mkdir VirgoLang < 1441909951 293813 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1441909961 30385 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls < 1441909961 756498 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​:-( \ 0 \ 113500 \ a \ a.o \ a.out \ argv.py \ bdsmreclist \ bin \ blah \ blah \ blah \ blah \ blah \ blah \ canary \ cat \ Complaints \ :-D \ dc \ dog \ emoticons \ error.log \ etc \ factor \ faith \ fu \ head \ hello \ hello.c \ hi \ hours \ ibin \ index.html?dl=1812 \ interps \ le \ letersort \ lib \ madness \ MaFV \ oerjan \ paste \ people.p < 1441909963 103166 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1441909968 859968 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm back < 1441909970 158863 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cd < 1441909970 617095 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: cd: not found < 1441909972 865247 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lunch just started < 1441909975 850940 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :`chdir < 1441909976 391012 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: chdir: not found < 1441909980 908321 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :cd doesn't work with HackBot < 1441909989 771334 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :`md < 1441909990 698562 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: md: not found < 1441909991 241480 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Every command is executed isolateldly < 1441909994 672208 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`help < 1441909994 850312 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Runs arbitrary code in GNU/Linux. Type "`", or "`run " for full shell commands. "`fetch " downloads files. Files saved to $PWD are persistent, and $PWD/bin is in $PATH. $PWD is a mercurial repository, "`revert " can be used to revert to a revision. See http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/ < 1441909998 318951 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cd < 1441909998 806819 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: cd: not found < 1441910009 556180 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run mkdir Virgolang < 1441910010 258488 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1441910014 411255 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls < 1441910015 102244 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​:-( \ 0 \ 113500 \ a \ a.o \ a.out \ argv.py \ bdsmreclist \ bin \ blah \ blah \ blah \ blah \ blah \ blah \ canary \ cat \ Complaints \ :-D \ dc \ dog \ emoticons \ error.log \ etc \ factor \ faith \ fu \ head \ hello \ hello.c \ hi \ hours \ ibin \ index.html?dl=1812 \ interps \ le \ letersort \ lib \ madness \ MaFV \ oerjan \ paste \ people.p < 1441910031 870918 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :why i can not mkdir? < 1441910037 69235 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No clue < 1441910048 861284 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I particularly have no clue brecause I'm on windows < 1441910052 818469 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` mkdir nwzouew < 1441910053 345655 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1441910056 613896 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is a *nix system, btw < 1441910059 628198 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls -al nwzouew < 1441910060 258148 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :total 8 \ drwxr-xr-x 2 5000 0 4096 Sep 10 18:34 . \ drwxr-xr-x 19 5000 5000 4096 Sep 10 18:34 .. < 1441910063 650869 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can mkdir < 1441910064 592066 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the command is mkdir on both systems < 1441910067 852491 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1441910071 38780 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wasn't sure < 1441910074 118487 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :`mkdir Virgolang < 1441910074 712980 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mkdir: cannot create directory `Virgolang': File exists < 1441910082 181304 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls < 1441910082 760744 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​:-( \ 0 \ 113500 \ a \ a.o \ a.out \ argv.py \ bdsmreclist \ bin \ blah \ blah \ blah \ blah \ blah \ blah \ canary \ cat \ Complaints \ :-D \ dc \ dog \ emoticons \ error.log \ etc \ factor \ faith \ fu \ head \ hello \ hello.c \ hi \ hours \ ibin \ index.html?dl=1812 \ interps \ le \ letersort \ lib \ madness \ MaFV \ nwzouew \ oerjan \ paste < 1441910091 860466 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls fairth < 1441910092 188461 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :when DOS added directories, they copied most of the directory commands from UNIX < 1441910092 726746 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls: cannot access fairth: No such file or directory < 1441910097 299697 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls faith < 1441910098 167839 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :faith < 1441910098 731725 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that was in… DOS 2? 3?) < 1441910106 969980 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :`mkdir ./Virgolang < 1441910107 524320 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mkdir: cannot create directory `./Virgolang': File exists < 1441910111 589389 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :`mkdir ./Virgolang/ < 1441910112 105931 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mkdir: cannot create directory `./Virgolang/': File exists < 1441910115 700203 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls -- < 1441910116 344810 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​:-( \ 0 \ 113500 \ a \ a.o \ a.out \ argv.py \ bdsmreclist \ bin \ blah \ blah \ blah \ blah \ blah \ blah \ canary \ cat \ Complaints \ :-D \ dc \ dog \ emoticons \ error.log \ etc \ factor \ faith \ fu \ head \ hello \ hello.c \ hi \ hours \ ibin \ index.html?dl=1812 \ interps \ le \ letersort \ lib \ madness \ MaFV \ nwzouew \ oerjan \ paste < 1441910118 429075 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Theres' already a file < 1441910134 364359 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls help < 1441910135 57574 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls: cannot access help: No such file or directory < 1441910138 752077 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`help ls < 1441910138 930117 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Runs arbitrary code in GNU/Linux. Type "`", or "`run " for full shell commands. "`fetch " downloads files. Files saved to $PWD are persistent, and $PWD/bin is in $PATH. $PWD is a mercurial repository, "`revert " can be used to revert to a revision. See http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/ < 1441910139 833239 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cd < 1441910140 342621 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1441910142 637438 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, but MKDIR is aliased to MD since dos < 1441910143 138551 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`man ls < 1441910146 129307 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :man: can't open the manpath configuration file /etc/manpath.config < 1441910148 526203 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did I just kill us all? < 1441910150 871928 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1441910152 267586 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1441910153 630495 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK good < 1441910170 590725 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cd Virgolang < 1441910172 652228 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1441910177 580186 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls < 1441910178 355673 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​:-( \ 0 \ 113500 \ a \ a.o \ a.out \ argv.py \ bdsmreclist \ bin \ blah \ blah \ blah \ blah \ blah \ blah \ canary \ cat \ Complaints \ :-D \ dc \ dog \ emoticons \ error.log \ etc \ factor \ faith \ fu \ head \ hello \ hello.c \ hi \ hours \ ibin \ index.html?dl=1812 \ interps \ le \ letersort \ lib \ madness \ MaFV \ nwzouew \ oerjan \ paste < 1441910183 64919 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: and CD is aliased to CHDIR; and DEL is aliased to ERASE; and REN is aliased to RENAME < 1441910195 14038 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg why i can't use my dir < 1441910208 717645 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Virgolang: it's almost certainly there and has just got cut off due to line length < 1441910211 620056 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-128-163.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Messed-up client: http://i.imgur.com/e74zr85.png < 1441910214 338562 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls -d Virgolang < 1441910214 908135 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls: invalid option -- ' ' \ Try `ls --help' for more information. < 1441910217 151752 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was saying that we should add more aliases so DEL is also aliased to REMOVE and REM < 1441910219 174903 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls -ld Virgolang < 1441910219 887041 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :drwxr-xr-x 2 5000 0 4096 Sep 10 18:33 Virgolang < 1441910222 105785 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Virgolang: see? < 1441910228 496656 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1441910238 432584 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it have gcc? < 1441910239 256694 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forget < 1441910249 938604 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does one `ls a directory one is not in? < 1441910254 666421 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a flag, right? < 1441910327 28382 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo int main() >> ./Virgolang/test.c < 1441910327 798749 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int main() >> ./Virgolang/test.c < 1441910339 270465 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: -d to list the directory itself, rather than its contents < 1441910341 194783 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo { >> ./Virgolang/test.c < 1441910341 794557 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​{ >> ./Virgolang/test.c < 1441910348 366685 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls -d Virgolang < 1441910349 61687 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls: invalid option -- ' ' \ Try `ls --help' for more information. < 1441910351 859348 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: to list the directory contents, juts give its name < 1441910357 980612 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also `ls doesn't take args, you want `` ls < 1441910365 541245 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo printf("Good job :)"); >> ./Virgolang/test.c < 1441910366 334852 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :printf("Good job :)"); >> ./Virgolang/test.c < 1441910374 244915 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls -d Virgolang < 1441910374 838026 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`anything doesn't take more than one argument < 1441910375 16125 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo } >> ./Virgolang/test.c < 1441910375 194114 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Virgolang < 1441910375 447703 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: anything: not found < 1441910375 816342 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​} >> ./Virgolang/test.c < 1441910379 12906 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what `` is for < 1441910424 51903 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :``ls -ld Virgolang < 1441910424 594233 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: `ls: not found < 1441910429 898996 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Virgolang: You aren't responding on ##zodiac < 1441910445 828567 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1441910583 446236 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1441910849 542292 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, if you want a noisy bot (unlike these peaceful ones here), I've launched my old Termbot. you can join #esoteric-blah and wake it with `help < 1441910856 374735 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't dare to bring it here. < 1441911318 188188 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Stare14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44130&oldid=44128 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+1359) 10Syntax, Execution < 1441911689 89910 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :Look here! https://github.com/virgolang/Virgobeta < 1441911695 515354 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is the bot repo < 1441911798 672152 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yuy < 1441911803 375458 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :&help < 1441911803 650099 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.198.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Commands -> hi < 1441911803 828072 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.198.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric : -> help < 1441911803 828120 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.198.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric : -> bf < 1441911803 828162 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.198.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric : -> *unlambda < 1441911803 828182 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.198.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric : -> *ul < 1441911804 395188 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.198.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note: Commands with * is planned to implement. < 1441911819 307242 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :&__init__ < 1441911819 606718 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.198.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :__init__ is not implemented. Sorry. < 1441911826 195741 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :&kill < 1441911826 518597 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.198.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kill is not implemented. Sorry. < 1441911826 764231 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.198.115 PART #esoteric :""Changing channel."" < 1441912593 223204 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the bot's channel? < 1441912744 91758 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :#botters-test < 1441912823 234828 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Stare14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44131&oldid=44130 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+1079) 10Initial instructions < 1441912855 586257 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot QUIT :Quit: hmm... < 1441912886 383243 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Stare14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44132&oldid=44131 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+3) 10Fixed formatting (whoops) < 1441913126 703298 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot JOIN :#esoteric < 1441913133 965691 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dear god it left... < 1441913237 101301 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: #esoteric-blah < 1441913296 159966 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, you mean underload is easier to _implement_, not to write programs in < 1441913297 842019 :x10A94!~x10A94@178.252.73.97 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441913302 743547 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that's true, because of call/cc < 1441913419 247178 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-46-134.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1441914185 879876 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhpopin < 1441914194 725509 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mbxjyzgnivxfodux QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1441914228 695081 :shikhpopin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1441914493 149362 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot bf execution limit is aaaaaa***** operations. < 1441914493 578373 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: oh well, bye again. remarkably, it actually worked pretty well back then ( in about that order, are you fnord fnord goes the birdie outside < 1441914514 734579 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But +++++ is one operation, as is <<<. < 1441914564 352317 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you count them? < 1441914595 8248 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just converts to a bytecodey format when parsing, and it's the executing bit that counts the number of things done. < 1441914601 462749 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: why did you write "one million" in Funge rather than English? < 1441914613 646312 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Copy-pasted from the source. < 1441914641 141349 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh you mean how fungot works < 1441914641 393226 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: well i would say, all io operations) have to specify each time it is < 1441915100 150351 :mihow!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441915250 818596 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-64-77.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1441915451 351410 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh! < 1441915459 100424 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was wondering what aaaaaa***** meant < 1441915777 943051 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it's 10^6. < 1441915851 413921 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :since when is "a" 10? < 1441915860 743804 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-128-163.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hex, I presume. < 1441915873 620588 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but funge doesn't use hex? < 1441915881 933256 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-128-163.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea. < 1441916307 885200 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like being able to write something like 7+ instead of +++++++ < 1441916396 436385 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you push a 7 then? < 1441916466 985770 :Virgolang_!~Virgolang@94.123.198.152 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441916598 656692 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1441916664 420721 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1441916705 912837 :Virgolang_!~Virgolang@94.123.198.152 NICK :Virgolang < 1441916718 907049 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@94.123.198.152 QUIT :Changing host < 1441916719 83716 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang JOIN :#esoteric < 1441916999 934005 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: I meant for a slightly extended brainfuck < 1441917048 911753 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do think bf joust bots have some meta syntax < 1441917306 118461 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1441917577 146678 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.198.152 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441917578 537297 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :afaiu, they have so much of it that fully expanding many of the programs would be insane < 1441917596 730287 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am writing help module for virgobeta < 1441917636 356304 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :its prefix is & < 1441917641 33482 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :&help < 1441917641 243831 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.198.152 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Commands -> hi < 1441917641 420497 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.198.152 PRIVMSG #esoteric : -> help < 1441917641 420565 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.198.152 PRIVMSG #esoteric : -> bf < 1441917641 420587 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.198.152 PRIVMSG #esoteric : -> *unlambda < 1441917641 420605 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.198.152 PRIVMSG #esoteric : -> *ul < 1441917641 597331 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.198.152 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note: Commands with * is planned to implement. < 1441917672 109038 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1441917957 915996 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: Funge-98 adds a..f as commands to push 10..15. < 1441917976 813486 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o < 1441917985 674190 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't know that < 1441918000 83076 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They weren't being used for anything, so might as well. < 1441918008 928623 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i usually did something like 55+ < 1441918012 627374 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some Befunge-93 interpreters also do that as an extension. < 1441918027 39053 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always did 52* while my friend always did 55+. < 1441918030 899161 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.198.152 PART #esoteric :""Changing channel."" < 1441918060 746143 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but aaaaaa***** looks more clear than 252525252525*********** < 1441918079 788666 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. Deewiant has a tool for optimizing big numbers in Befunge. < 1441918092 67634 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Using string mode, mostly. < 1441918117 139264 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1441918153 56719 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :10 isn't very amenable for that, but "ddd"** is pretty concise. < 1441918160 841462 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't there a dup command? < 1441918174 359923 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is a dup command, you can do :::*** towers. < 1441918187 365651 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, :*:*:* probably. < 1441918201 821220 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1441918205 637860 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a:*::** < 1441918209 908643 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, depending on what you want, of course. < 1441918232 344368 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :'d::** in Funge-98, with one-shot string mode. < 1441918289 437710 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote it out in fungot, because with aaaaaa***** the resulting number is immediately obvious (FSVO). < 1441918289 850353 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: does anyone here think it odd that some english professors deride science fiction, it's actually very clear underneath that. there. is away. < 1441918294 242564 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like unary scientific notation. < 1441918308 14617 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: haha, does :*:*:* mean "raise to the power of 8" in both Befunge and Underload? that's a pretty crazy same-meaning polyglot < 1441918323 83924 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :heheh < 1441918331 268676 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: with what number representation in underload? < 1441918338 788762 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Church < 1441918349 331474 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I've been working on Underlambda, whose stdlib operates on that representation) < 1441918356 436020 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1441918392 158723 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I realised that a Church list probably defines a list by its map function < 1441918400 31804 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which would be an interesting variant on the cons cell representation < 1441918415 744542 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in Underlambda, a list is ((a)(b)(c)(d)), but that doesn't work in Underload because you can't find the list length < 1441918422 74236 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: fold, not map, I thought. < 1441918430 472780 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, right < 1441918438 979262 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually in Underload it's probably iter < 1441918452 252419 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i.e. "evaluate this function on each element in turn") < 1441918466 861364 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that way the function can decide for itself whether it's a map or a fold < 1441918506 447690 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1441918583 524806 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf underlambda? i know unlambda, but that looks way different < 1441918615 511732 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: yeah, esolangs don't work by being similar if their names are similar < 1441918618 620936 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: Underlambda is an esolang I've been working on for a long time now < 1441918630 833595 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :all these ul < 1441918648 615659 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: there's some correlation because many brainfuck derivatives have fuck in their name, but not all *fuck are brainfuck derivatives < 1441918649 440452 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an Underload derivative mostly, but it's also functional in the sense that the only thing you can do with data is to evaluate it < 1441918672 578947 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I think nearly all *fuck are either brainfuck derivatives or parodies of brainfuck derivatives < 1441918683 208149 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why's there no underlambda page on the wiki < 1441918683 942458 :Virgolang_!~Virgolang@94.123.199.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441918696 870992 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi Virgolang_ < 1441918709 886965 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: the eventual goal is to produce a program which can translate itself into an a wide set of esolangs, interpret a wide set of esolangs, and compile a wide set of esolangs into other esolangs < 1441918711 365100 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the most popular unlambda-like language that is pure and has haskell-like IO? < 1441918714 455998 :Virgolang_!~Virgolang@94.123.199.168 PRIVMSG #esoteric :4.8s lag?! < 1441918718 479820 :Virgolang_!~Virgolang@94.123.199.168 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1.5s < 1441918723 305182 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus kind-of breaking EsoInterpreters < 1441918725 193855 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Lazy K < 1441918728 754180 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-46-134.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1441918739 517468 :Virgolang_!~Virgolang@94.123.199.168 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1.5 second lag! < 1441918743 264663 :Virgolang_!~Virgolang@94.123.199.168 PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 < 1441918878 979067 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1441919062 788235 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1441919109 100444 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh also, what's the most popular python variant (extension, preprocessor, etc) that lets you use some sort of delimiters instead of indentation and newlines? preferably one that lets you do this with syntax made of printable ascii characters, and for python3. < 1441919154 583142 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1441919195 844237 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no, Lazy K isn't such a thing < 1441919206 403322 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: IO in Lazy K isn't haskell-like < 1441919232 437428 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: it is, it's just that the language doesn't provide monads in its stdlib because it basically doesn't have a stdlib < 1441919234 761224 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell has very haskell-like io < 1441919250 28248 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also: why is curry that unpopular? < 1441919262 23755 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@94.123.199.243 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441919270 505628 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@94.123.199.243 QUIT :Changing host < 1441919270 685532 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang JOIN :#esoteric < 1441919301 447476 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I mean, as far as I understand it, input in Lazy K is like getContents in haskell, < 1441919328 917953 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: well it's lazy, so it's possible that the input is only fetched at a point when it's actually needed < 1441919331 23170 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it gives you a list of characters where evaluating a character has a side effect of reading a character. < 1441919350 793866 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think that's very haskell-like, but it's definitely not _pure_. < 1441919353 571347 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :it crashed < 1441919356 178261 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd like a pure one < 1441919361 921044 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :virgobeta crashed < 1441919422 926692 :Virgolang_!~Virgolang@94.123.199.168 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1441919522 260826 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does this make sense? Or have I misunderstood Lazy K or Haskell? < 1441919542 363418 :Virgolang_!~Virgolang@94.123.200.19 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441919646 629655 :Virgolang_!~Virgolang@94.123.200.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my internet is horrible < 1441919665 904127 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1441919669 749842 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.200.19 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441919688 255608 :Virgolang_!~Virgolang@94.123.200.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have completed help module < 1441919690 950499 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1441919692 856050 :Virgolang_!~Virgolang@94.123.200.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :&help < 1441919792 459878 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's on < 1441919799 916548 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just being slow :/ < 1441919831 476700 :Virgolang_!~Virgolang@94.123.200.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :&help < 1441919843 411022 :Virgolang_!~Virgolang@94.123.200.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :&help help < 1441919851 392161 :Virgolang_!~Virgolang@94.123.200.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :exception :( < 1441919873 148051 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1441919884 539243 :Virgolang_!~Virgolang@94.123.200.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :&help < 1441919920 693783 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's happenning? < 1441919932 405356 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.200.19 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1441919941 106623 :Virgolang_!~Virgolang@94.123.200.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :please wait < 1441919953 472066 :Virgolang_!~Virgolang@94.123.200.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i disabled exception handling < 1441919964 295924 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh >.< < 1441919964 596375 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: also, is there a status update on aimake4? < 1441919965 450493 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.200.19 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441919970 925068 :Virgolang_!~Virgolang@94.123.200.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :&help < 1441919975 985474 :Virgolang_!~Virgolang@94.123.200.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :&help help < 1441919979 585341 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I've been at work today; also I won't get it finished in one day < 1441919980 31654 :Virgolang_!~Virgolang@94.123.200.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :&help help? < 1441919981 949303 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a little busy atm < 1441919989 750283 :Virgolang_!~Virgolang@94.123.200.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1441919992 200151 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1441919994 358935 :Virgolang_!~Virgolang@94.123.200.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :&help help < 1441920000 653749 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that said, writing a build system in SQL is probably an appropriate topic for #esoteric) < 1441920007 564860 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :certainly < 1441920037 567199 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.200.19 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1441920038 116195 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What exception are you getting? < 1441920046 124080 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mind you, cmake+msbuild is probably approperiate too < 1441920052 415103 :Virgolang_!~Virgolang@94.123.200.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know < 1441920057 907479 :Virgolang_!~Virgolang@94.123.200.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it dowsn't writing < 1441920066 9190 :Virgolang_!~Virgolang@94.123.200.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*doesn't < 1441920082 814525 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.200.19 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441920090 422814 :Virgolang_!~Virgolang@94.123.200.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :&help < 1441920129 317350 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :By the way < 1441920130 928471 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Virgolang_: < 1441920139 911278 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a compiled program for TaurusVM :) < 1441920143 731081 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or assembled < 1441920147 61574 :Virgolang_!~Virgolang@94.123.200.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1441920156 975112 :Virgolang_!~Virgolang@94.123.200.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what it does? < 1441920161 420252 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing, really < 1441920165 571908 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just demonstrates SET < 1441920170 713785 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's the source: < 1441920202 298554 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :; R[0:5] = [0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0] / < 1441920202 596952 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :SET R[0] 1 2 3 4 5 6; < 1441920202 778316 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : / ; R[0:5] = [1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6] < 1441920202 778381 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : / ; see SETinstuctionexamplecompiled for compiled equivalent < 1441920216 5478 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :^blsq 4 4*: < 1441920228 526680 :x10A94!~x10A94@178.252.73.97 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1441920248 305903 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only actual code is SET R[0] 1 2 3 4 5 6 < 1441920255 630537 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :; < 1441920260 931232 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1441920264 400002 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :^? < 1441920266 519241 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :^help < 1441920266 699006 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ ; ^def ; ^show [command]; lang=bf/ul, code=text/str:N; ^str 0-9 get/set/add [text]; ^style [style]; ^bool < 1441920272 240114 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :^help blsq < 1441920272 417581 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ ; ^def ; ^show [command]; lang=bf/ul, code=text/str:N; ^str 0-9 get/set/add [text]; ^style [style]; ^bool < 1441920280 992323 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :^blsq 4 < 1441920301 784984 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh < 1441920303 860991 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Virgolang_ < 1441920309 279774 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought of what I want to implement < 1441920311 288353 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Voting module < 1441920318 346334 :Virgolang_!~Virgolang@94.123.200.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1441920336 11483 :Virgolang_!~Virgolang@94.123.200.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :code voting.py! < 1441920341 693063 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will when I get home < 1441920352 102188 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm currently in my Algebra II class xD < 1441920372 210741 :Virgolang_!~Virgolang@94.123.200.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at 22:26? < 1441920378 808496 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No clue < 1441920389 973121 :Virgolang_!~Virgolang@94.123.200.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my time is 00:26 < 1441920390 153596 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Definitely before 10 pm though xD < 1441920396 605731 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably by about 4 :/ < 1441920414 152794 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's probably not healthy xD < 1441920428 999983 :Virgolang_!~Virgolang@94.123.200.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my time is 00:26 (12:26 pm) < 1441920432 912603 :Virgolang_!~Virgolang@94.123.200.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*am < 1441920434 153293 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1441920436 44554 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1441920444 173589 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was confused when you said pm xD < 1441920468 337712 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know 24-hour time fairly vaguely. I use it on my computer because it's better, but I'm not very good at it xD < 1441920542 1850 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The commands will be: &createpoll ; &votefor ; &getcandidates ; etc. < 1441920543 181692 :Virgolang_!~Virgolang@94.123.200.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :when will you get back? < 1441920552 189920 :Virgolang_!~Virgolang@94.123.200.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1441920554 676098 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's currently 13:29 heer < 1441920557 113832 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*here < 1441920561 687933 :Virgolang_!~Virgolang@94.123.200.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg < 1441920572 984319 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll be home by 15:30 probably < 1441920575 60465 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe earlier < 1441920585 680757 :Virgolang_!~Virgolang@94.123.200.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2:30 for me < 1441920596 82686 :Virgolang_!~Virgolang@94.123.200.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am not online that time! < 1441920603 139946 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry xD < 1441920615 554405 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:30 MY time < 1441920621 372039 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's wrong with ^blsq ? < 1441920622 27062 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So in 2 hours or earlier < 1441920625 449100 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1441920642 439298 :Virgolang_!~Virgolang@94.123.200.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should write to a file what you have done to repo. < 1441920671 55019 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Burlesque14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44133&oldid=42109 5* 03B jonas 5* (+43) 10 < 1441920671 464896 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :GitHub saves that for us xD < 1441920682 271098 :Virgolang_!~Virgolang@94.123.200.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1441920744 196513 :Virgolang_!~Virgolang@94.123.200.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am testing help module < 1441920747 698912 :Virgolang_!~Virgolang@94.123.200.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :by itself < 1441920824 877909 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@blsq 4 < 1441920825 56412 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1441920827 983624 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`blsq 4 < 1441920831 454131 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! blsq 4 < 1441920836 921352 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: blsq: not found < 1441920837 98672 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/bin/!: 4: exec: ibin/blsq: not found < 1441920841 260004 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :^prefixes < 1441920841 437553 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEgo `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ?, thutubot +, metasepia ~, idris-bot ( , jconn ) , blsqbot ! < 1441920848 85657 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 4 < 1441920944 64386 :Virgolang_!~Virgolang@94.123.200.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :virgobeta's is & < 1441920951 192000 :Virgolang_!~Virgolang@94.123.200.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should add it < 1441920965 590377 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :&blsq 4 < 1441920965 820865 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.200.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :blsq is not implemented. Sorry. < 1441921022 429045 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.200.19 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1441921028 770043 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :^prefixes add VirgoBeta & < 1441921028 947436 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEgo `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ?, thutubot +, metasepia ~, idris-bot ( , jconn ) , blsqbot ! < 1441921034 362630 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :^help prefixes < 1441921034 540522 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ ; ^def ; ^show [command]; lang=bf/ul, code=text/str:N; ^str 0-9 get/set/add [text]; ^style [style]; ^bool < 1441921051 591585 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :^addprefix VirgoBeta & < 1441921059 898243 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :^prefixes < 1441921060 81051 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEgo `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ?, thutubot +, metasepia ~, idris-bot ( , jconn ) , blsqbot ! < 1441921067 7210 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does one add a prefix? < 1441921085 522585 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: you don't. the maintainer of fungot adds it if he thinks it's useful. < 1441921085 700564 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: 1 ( car ( ( 1 2) < 1441921092 482416 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1441921105 420148 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? prefix < 1441921106 431857 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? prefixes < 1441921106 614433 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :prefix? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1441921107 81238 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :prefixes? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1441921108 709291 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1441921110 667981 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1441921111 778528 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kanada/Your bankers' vain plazas never nutured no one / And your concrete expanses lay fallow in the sun / And your cities all collapsing while your corrupt mayors shrug < 1441921112 922342 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot < 1441921113 147309 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: i'm excessively unfamiliar with scheme, to iterate across a vector, it will < 1441921153 632421 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it in lisp mode? < 1441921172 314264 :Virgolang__!~Virgolang@94.123.200.230 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441921183 758471 :Virgolang__!~Virgolang@94.123.200.230 NICK :Virgolang < 1441921209 267705 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@94.123.200.230 QUIT :Changing host < 1441921209 446855 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang JOIN :#esoteric < 1441921227 769934 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty crappy internet < 1441921251 257122 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :We figured < 1441921262 607236 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :it trolls me < 1441921273 974002 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1441921274 155057 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc* iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack oots pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube < 1441921275 758191 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :OOOOOOOOOh < 1441921284 124795 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style irc < 1441921284 303593 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: irc (IRC logs of freenode/#esoteric, freenode/#scheme and ircnet/#douglasadams) < 1441921288 471317 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: sort of < 1441921289 242925 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The reason Lordofthe is in my hostname is that that's my /realname/! < 1441921292 798215 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooooooooooooooooooooooh! < 1441921312 574347 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you say so, mr. sauron < 1441921319 691897 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that style irks me hth < 1441921355 267861 :Virgolang_!~Virgolang@94.123.200.19 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1441921360 564982 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a great #esoteric pun that i've been saving up for months < 1441921364 283430 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric : /msg virgobeta &join #esoteric < 1441921377 631750 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls -l oerjan < 1441921378 542548 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls: invalid option -- ' ' \ Try `ls --help' for more information. < 1441921382 765302 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls -l oerjan < 1441921383 556460 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​-rw-r--r-- 1 5000 0 0 Aug 27 22:30 oerjan < 1441921384 847432 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :one day it'll be topical and i'll strike < 1441921386 467980 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should make Virgobeta work on multiple channels < 1441921386 811665 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat oerjan < 1441921387 468496 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1441921390 663872 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rm oerjan < 1441921395 66673 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1441921397 663190 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` hg log oerjan | grep summary: < 1441921398 892375 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :summary: touch oerjan < 1441921410 35744 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`url oerjan < 1441921410 948224 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/oerjan < 1441921411 879579 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :where is the repo? < 1441921413 975366 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` hg log oerjan < 1441921414 993668 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :changeset: 3718:89fefb0960d8 \ user: HackBot \ date: Wed Sep 11 16:01:02 2013 +0000 \ summary: touch oerjan < 1441921424 996986 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :&help < 1441921425 536080 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :just short of the two year anniversary tdnh < 1441921432 20958 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1441921435 981053 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ah < 1441921437 498404 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1441921438 712694 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mauke/mauke is a Master Archer. Caution! He can shoot your PRIVMSG with creative arrows! < 1441921457 850949 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: that seems rather too old ... < 1441921462 786676 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.200.230 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441921465 887432 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :&help < 1441921479 399234 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :it gave exception < 1441921483 962632 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :&help help < 1441921490 577081 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1441921546 22305 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.200.230 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1441921569 519763 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.200.230 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441921574 589640 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :&help < 1441921577 220213 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :&help help < 1441921620 222490 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.200.230 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1441921640 523081 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.200.230 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441921644 529678 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :&help help < 1441921648 51775 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :&help help < 1441921650 295484 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Virgolang: seriously learn not to put characters in front of /msg < 1441921780 309851 :Virgolang_!~Virgolang@94.123.201.41 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441921786 91377 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1441921828 92636 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1441921854 983523 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i think it's actually this one why doesn't it show up in `hg log http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/rev/a3b62224d2da < 1441921891 682134 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` hg log --removed oerjan | grep summary: < 1441921893 211298 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :summary: rm oerjan \ summary: ` bison > oerjan \ summary: rm oerjan/cat \ summary: mkdir oerjan; cp cat oerjan \ summary: rm -rf oerjan \ summary: mkdir oerjan; cp cat oerjan \ summary: mv oerjan/cat share; rmdir oerjan \ summary: cp cat oerjan \ s < 1441921902 960161 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.200.230 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1441921929 314977 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1441921947 751769 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that's not the default < 1441922023 968842 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it still remove empty directories automatically, i'd otherwise expect an `rmdir in there < 1441922047 289562 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1441922056 551446 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well another one < 1441922279 467172 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`mkdir oerjan < 1441922280 139453 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1441922282 577409 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls oerjan < 1441922283 411284 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1441922316 198681 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`touch oerjan/cat < 1441922318 286528 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1441922320 575990 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rm oerjan/cat < 1441922324 540394 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1441922329 588136 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat oerjan < 1441922330 310879 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat: oerjan: Is a directory < 1441922340 939994 :Virgolang_!~Virgolang@94.123.201.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat Virgolang < 1441922341 623796 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat: Virgolang: Is a directory < 1441922347 994069 :Virgolang_!~Virgolang@94.123.201.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls Virgolang < 1441922348 773778 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1441922357 558493 :Virgolang_!~Virgolang@94.123.201.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls Virgolang\ < 1441922358 358332 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls: cannot access Virgolang\: No such file or directory < 1441922366 619846 :Virgolang_!~Virgolang@94.123.201.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls .\Virgolang < 1441922367 505732 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls: cannot access .\Virgolang: No such file or directory < 1441922370 641674 :Virgolang_!~Virgolang@94.123.201.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls ./Virgolang < 1441922371 508494 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1441922393 393008 :Virgolang_!~Virgolang@94.123.201.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo int main() >> ./Virgolang/hello.c < 1441922393 970971 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int main() >> ./Virgolang/hello.c < 1441922409 636578 :Virgolang_!~Virgolang@94.123.201.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo { >> ./Virgolang/hello.c < 1441922410 301573 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​{ >> ./Virgolang/hello.c < 1441922422 512239 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in the channel, please. < 1441922433 240017 :Virgolang_!~Virgolang@94.123.201.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo printf("Hello #esoteric!\n"); >> ./Virgolang/hello.c < 1441922433 951902 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :printf("Hello #esoteric!\n"); >> ./Virgolang/hello.c < 1441922445 551658 :Virgolang_!~Virgolang@94.123.201.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo } >> ./Virgolang/hello.c < 1441922446 58648 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​} >> ./Virgolang/hello.c < 1441922476 954104 :Virgolang_!~Virgolang@94.123.201.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :``gcc ./Virgolang/hello.c -o ./Virgolang/hello.exe < 1441922477 570432 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: `gcc: not found < 1441922491 418782 :Virgolang_!~Virgolang@94.123.201.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :where is the c compiler? < 1441922590 291537 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.201.41 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441922603 311963 :Virgolang_!~Virgolang@94.123.201.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :&help < 1441922603 489283 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.201.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Topics are: -> help < 1441922603 489353 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.201.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric : -> hi < 1441922603 667057 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.201.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric : -> bf < 1441922603 667126 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.201.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric : -> join < 1441922603 667147 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.201.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric : -> unlambda < 1441922604 294431 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.201.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric : -> ul < 1441922611 861063 :Virgolang_!~Virgolang@94.123.201.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :&help hi < 1441922612 39070 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.201.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Greets you or someone. < 1441922612 39158 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.201.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usage: &hi [person] < 1441922632 376376 :Virgolang_!~Virgolang@94.123.201.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :&help bg < 1441922632 558098 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.201.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Topics are: -> help < 1441922632 742653 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.201.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric : -> hi < 1441922632 742732 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.201.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric : -> bf < 1441922632 742752 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.201.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric : -> join < 1441922632 742773 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.201.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric : -> unlambda < 1441922633 293629 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.201.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric : -> ul < 1441922635 119360 :Virgolang_!~Virgolang@94.123.201.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :&help bf < 1441922635 296729 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.201.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Topics are: -> help < 1441922635 474120 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.201.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric : -> hi < 1441922635 474185 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.201.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric : -> bf < 1441922635 474238 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.201.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric : -> join < 1441922636 319991 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.201.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric : -> unlambda < 1441922636 497254 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.201.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric : -> ul < 1441922640 101481 :Virgolang_!~Virgolang@94.123.201.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :&help bf < 1441922640 395331 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.201.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Topics are: -> help < 1441922640 664680 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.201.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric : -> hi < 1441922652 295635 :Virgolang_!~Virgolang@94.123.201.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :&help bf < 1441922652 568312 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.201.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Topics are: -> help < 1441922652 856735 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.201.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric : -> hi < 1441922653 34637 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.201.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric : -> bf < 1441922653 34693 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.201.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric : -> join < 1441922653 34716 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.201.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric : -> unlambda < 1441922653 289695 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.201.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric : -> ul < 1441922682 127092 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.201.41 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1441922872 74761 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.201.41 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441922874 699649 :Virgolang_!~Virgolang@94.123.201.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :&help bf < 1441922874 878467 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.201.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The brainf--- interpreter. < 1441922879 350142 :Virgolang_!~Virgolang@94.123.201.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :&help bf < 1441922879 527561 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.201.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Topics are: < 1441922879 705481 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.201.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric : -> hi < 1441922879 705581 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.201.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric : -> ul < 1441922879 705618 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.201.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric : -> help < 1441922879 705648 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.201.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric : -> bf < 1441922880 288379 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.201.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric : -> join < 1441922880 466875 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.201.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric : -> unlambda < 1441922914 291404 :Virgolang_!~Virgolang@94.123.201.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :&help bf < 1441922914 526674 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.201.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Topics are: < 1441922914 734808 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.201.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric : -> hi < 1441922914 912409 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.201.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric : -> ul < 1441922914 912490 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.201.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric : -> help < 1441922914 912513 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.201.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric : -> bf < 1441922915 275432 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.201.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric : -> join < 1441922915 454408 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.201.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric : -> unlambda < 1441923015 889317 :Virgolang_!~Virgolang@94.123.201.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :&help bf < 1441923016 67979 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.201.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Topics are: < 1441923016 247393 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.201.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric : -> hi < 1441923016 247473 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.201.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric : -> ul < 1441923016 247499 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.201.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric : -> help < 1441923016 247523 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.201.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric : -> bf < 1441923016 429369 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.201.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric : -> join < 1441923016 429453 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.201.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric : -> unlambda < 1441923031 766078 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.201.41 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1441923065 981933 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.201.41 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441923069 36794 :Virgolang_!~Virgolang@94.123.201.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :&help bf < 1441923069 401577 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.201.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Topics are: < 1441923069 594695 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.201.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric : -> hi < 1441923069 776982 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.201.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric : -> join < 1441923069 777035 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.201.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric : -> ul < 1441923069 777061 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.201.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric : -> help < 1441923069 777081 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.201.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric : -> unlambda < 1441923070 454751 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.201.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric : -> bf < 1441923071 951059 :Virgolang_!~Virgolang@94.123.201.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :&help bf < 1441923072 253847 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.201.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Topics are: < 1441923072 432738 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.201.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric : -> hi < 1441923072 612263 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.201.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric : -> join < 1441923072 612338 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.201.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric : -> ul < 1441923073 457395 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.201.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric : -> help < 1441923073 638776 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.201.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric : -> unlambda < 1441923074 457591 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.201.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric : -> bf < 1441923076 42276 :Virgolang_!~Virgolang@94.123.201.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :&help bf < 1441923076 327764 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.201.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Topics are: < 1441923076 623633 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.201.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric : -> hi < 1441923076 802113 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.201.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric : -> join < 1441923080 845133 :Virgolang_!~Virgolang@94.123.201.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :&help bf < 1441923085 533646 :Virgolang_!~Virgolang@94.123.201.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :&help bf < 1441923099 19601 :Virgolang_!~Virgolang@94.123.201.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :&help bf < 1441923099 297742 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.201.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Topics are: < 1441923099 589483 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.201.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric : -> hi < 1441923099 768942 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.201.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric : -> join < 1441923099 769005 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.201.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric : -> ul < 1441923099 769043 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.201.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric : -> help < 1441923099 769076 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.201.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric : -> unlambda < 1441923100 454512 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.201.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric : -> bf < 1441923116 745560 :Virgolang_!~Virgolang@94.123.201.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :&help bla < 1441923116 963170 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.201.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Topics are: < 1441923116 963224 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.201.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric : -> hi < 1441923116 963244 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.201.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric : -> join < 1441923116 963262 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.201.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric : -> ul < 1441923116 963280 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.201.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric : -> help < 1441923117 455208 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.201.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric : -> unlambda < 1441923117 634757 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.201.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric : -> bf < 1441923152 60991 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric +o :oerjan > 1441923152 68138 NAMES :#esoteric < 1441923160 95009 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no KICK #esoteric VirgoBeta :Stop spamming < 1441923164 40081 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no MODE #esoteric -o :oerjan > 1441923164 49661 NAMES :#esoteric < 1441923168 496905 :Virgolang_!~Virgolang@94.123.201.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1441923194 525944 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1441923448 523139 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Virgolang_: i greatly recommend limiting responses to one line unless absolutely necessary < 1441923459 929793 :Virgolang_!~Virgolang@94.123.201.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1441923549 600521 :Virgolang_!~Virgolang@94.123.201.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it looks more ordered < 1441923562 636700 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.201.41 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441923567 597382 :Virgolang_!~Virgolang@94.123.201.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :&help < 1441923570 139541 :Virgolang_!~Virgolang@94.123.201.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :&help < 1441923574 657771 :Virgolang_!~Virgolang@94.123.201.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoops < 1441923585 740422 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441923606 837861 :Virgolang_!~Virgolang@94.123.201.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :&help bf < 1441923630 532568 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not a good enough reason on irc < 1441923635 27157 :Virgolang_!~Virgolang@94.123.201.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it quieted? < 1441923642 305909 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that i know < 1441923642 484634 :Virgolang_!~Virgolang@94.123.201.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't work < 1441923651 50933 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think this bot is helping anything. < 1441923663 120574 :Virgolang_!~Virgolang@94.123.201.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what should i add? < 1441923669 875432 :Virgolang_!~Virgolang@94.123.201.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :complaints? < 1441923671 684367 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :a mute button < 1441923672 668470 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you aren't using it to communicate with other people in the channel, you should use /msg. < 1441923683 791915 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I had to use my own) < 1441923711 214589 :Virgolang_!~Virgolang@94.123.201.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it needs communication < 1441923723 243143 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not for testing it < 1441923751 260532 :Virgolang_!~Virgolang@94.123.201.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should add an report tool to it < 1441923762 337714 :Virgolang_!~Virgolang@94.123.201.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it will report to ircops < 1441923770 87132 :Virgolang_!~Virgolang@94.123.201.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :using pm < 1441923778 902562 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1441923787 447198 :Virgolang_!~Virgolang@94.123.201.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pm = /msg < 1441923788 605800 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :that seems to be a very roundabout way of getting your bot k-lined < 1441923809 447857 :Virgolang_!~Virgolang@94.123.201.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1441923837 450281 :Virgolang_!~Virgolang@94.123.201.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :&join #virgo-test < 1441923837 666500 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.201.41 PART :#esoteric < 1441923875 835643 :Virgolang_!~Virgolang@94.123.201.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it goed < 1441923882 533239 :Virgolang_!~Virgolang@94.123.201.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*gone < 1441924126 692340 :ProofTechnique!~Ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441924674 808850 :ineiros!~itniemin@dsl-hkibrasgw1-58c3fe-184.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1441925051 359870 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1441925091 309433 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441925670 669489 :ProofTechnique!~Ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1441925862 960680 :Virgolang_!~Virgolang@94.123.201.41 NICK :Virgolang < 1441925877 900730 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@94.123.201.41 QUIT :Changing host < 1441925878 80440 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang JOIN :#esoteric < 1441926079 609675 :Virgolang_!~Virgolang@94.123.203.52 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441926295 307766 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1441926326 424382 :Virgolang_!~Virgolang@94.123.203.52 NICK :Virgolang < 1441926352 196466 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@94.123.203.52 QUIT :Changing host < 1441926352 378450 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang JOIN :#esoteric < 1441926898 840487 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.203.52 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441926904 870373 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :&help < 1441926905 417261 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.203.52 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Topics are: unlambda hi bf ul help join < 1441926910 871073 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :&hi < 1441926911 310468 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.203.52 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi, Virgolang! < 1441926934 261274 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :@help < 1441926934 441782 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :help . Ask for help for . Try 'list' for all commands < 1441926940 324021 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :@list < 1441926940 501652 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :What module? Try @listmodules for some ideas. < 1441927120 830007 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm ais523 unquited clog? < 1441927137 742998 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric +o :oerjan > 1441927137 750658 NAMES :#esoteric < 1441927153 527362 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm still there < 1441927166 146346 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no MODE #esoteric -o :oerjan > 1441927166 157604 NAMES :#esoteric < 1441927183 365073 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.203.52 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1441927248 622038 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1441927466 282030 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*+e < 1441927628 769190 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441928098 831560 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1441928115 149388 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gVd EvniG! < 1441928121 392899 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::,( < 1441928145 961693 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wI sO sad? < 1441928551 436366 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric < 1441928686 823164 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :he lost the One Ring < 1441928693 954434 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or possibly some flies < 1441930779 996611 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neither < 1441930783 926484 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was... < 1441930785 470176 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know < 1441930794 736203 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have a "Lord of the []" joke < 1441930808 725360 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My realname is LordOfTheWalri by the way < 1441931137 846765 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY < 1441931265 737412 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1441931266 668435 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :blsq/See: Burlesque < 1441931776 656905 :Bender!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441931817 193014 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], walrus is germanic, the plural is walruses < 1441931859 528789 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: BLASPHEMY < 1441931991 245533 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kvalrossar < 1441932376 900549 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell b_jonas what's wrong with ^blsq ? <-- mostly the fact fungot has never implemented it hth < 1441932377 81229 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1441932377 261563 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: termite handles the " tricky" stuff? ( vague recollection of a talk. < 1441932421 269633 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: provided the tricky stuff is made of wood < 1441932421 489113 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it really should use char=? < 1441932552 592236 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1441932553 454645 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :can lambdabot's @unlambda accept input somehow? < 1441932553 799153 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :recursion/You might expect a reference to recursion here, but to make it interesting you'll actuallSTACK OVERFLOW < 1441932558 638841 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-128-163.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: It’s whale + horse. “horse” used to be “hros”. < 1441932592 37502 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Helvar < 1441932627 873645 :mihow!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1441932718 633270 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-128-163.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :It used to take a plural in -er, but this has fallen completely out of use in English. < 1441932900 969377 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@unlambda ```s`d`@|i`ciMaybe... < 1441932901 147056 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Maybe... < 1441932908 206853 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mauris: yep < 1441932932 943566 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-128-163.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :In German there’s actually two options, it can be “Walrosse” or “Walrösser”, with the former more common. (With bare “Ross”, it is “Rösser” that is the more common option.) < 1441932949 48942 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :since unlambda is LL(0), the parser just leaves the remainder of stdin for the program < 1441932991 900367 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(technically this means the implementation doesn't support comments or whitespace after the program) < 1441933056 263471 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :@unlambda `@|abc < 1441933056 444536 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Done. < 1441933068 980030 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ i thought this would be putchar(getchar()) < 1441933081 109368 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@unlambda ``@|iabc < 1441933081 290120 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : a < 1441933086 217390 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1441933091 616366 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, of course < 1441933141 588162 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :unlambda is so ugly ;o; < 1441933196 679559 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT http://oerjan.nvg.org/esoteric/interpreter.unl < 1441933251 730546 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In my version of Netscape," < 1441933259 574559 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :preferably with a browser that understands linux line endings GAH < 1441933281 766297 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this was 2002 hth < 1441933288 628451 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or thereabouts < 1441933293 47460 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :2001 says the file < 1441933315 739736 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wouldn't you know < 1441933367 540744 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :good times. i was 5 < 1441933448 298427 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think i could write an unlambda interpreter in Python :( < 1441933460 523734 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd probably need a trampoline < 1441933479 692873 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :like the Java version < 1441933504 674000 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or the original C version, which is a translation of the Java one iirc < 1441933627 133799 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, is this just a roundabout way to do TCO < 1441933633 590711 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh it's clever < 1441933648 495679 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1441933697 458897 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: GNU GPL?? < 1441933700 586780 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1441933707 661187 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i got better < 1441933724 380359 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nowadays i just say CC-0 if i remember < 1441933783 683539 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should find out about: licenses < 1441933788 697958 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :and why there are a billion of them < 1441933838 710409 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mauris: do you know how i chose the mit license < 1441933866 928647 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :darts on a dartboard? < 1441933879 484926 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :length hth < 1441933894 825207 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually wanted to modify the license to make it even shorter. < 1441933898 34764 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1441933901 831941 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :my university collaborator at the time was/is a great GPL supporter. did i mention how he managed to get a GPLv3+ licensed open source project started in the oil industry... < 1441933905 613277 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But then I wouldn't be able to pick "MIT" in Cabal and so on. < 1441933928 937230 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :the "wtfpl" probably has it beat! but it's dumb < 1441933937 761684 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :not interested hth < 1441933946 927161 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://downloads.haskell.org/~ghc/7.6.3/docs/html/libraries/Cabal-1.16.0/Distribution-License.html < 1441934104 518159 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.stack.imgur.com/CZIoa.png neat! < 1441934121 225830 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :except my head hurts, tdnh < 1441934192 706636 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :try rotating the screen instead hth < 1441934237 771232 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :trying to produce a list of possible corrections for a word that's been misspelled. can you think of a way that doesn't require to go through the entire dictionary? < 1441934263 985718 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google spelling correction algorithm < 1441934264 830208 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://norvig.com/spell-correct.html < 1441934306 424178 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ this is good and i hear Bloom filters help too < 1441934423 973254 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's going through the entire dictionary < 1441934578 810893 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : hppavilion[1]: you don't. the maintainer of fungot adds it if he thinks it's useful. <-- ithm me hth < 1441934578 991183 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i often just cast code into the interpreter. < 1441934604 39180 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: well that's how i actually _do_ it, of course. < 1441934604 220020 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: no problem. well, yeah, whatever < 1441934662 436585 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking about licenses earlier < 1441934677 174114 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Esolangs needs an Esoteric Software License that people can put content under < 1441934685 95548 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: part of the point of ^prefixes is to keep it synchronized between all the bots that implement it. so please don't try to fix it if you don't know how. < 1441934703 731178 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1441934985 999176 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :^prefixes < 1441934986 176858 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEgo `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ?, thutubot +, metasepia ~, idris-bot ( , jconn ) , blsqbot ! < 1441935062 419851 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1441935169 592591 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1441935284 798858 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1441935446 608710 :Deepfriedice!~Deepfried@CPE-60-231-36-191.lns7.cha.bigpond.net.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1441935498 690579 :Bender!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1441935613 418541 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1441936189 629629 :Bender!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441936266 783999 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :&hi < 1441936274 179104 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`herro < 1441936274 765723 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: herro: not found < 1441936284 424872 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`hello < 1441936285 74847 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1441936290 63788 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`hello hppavilion[1] < 1441936291 16715 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1441936298 405569 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`greet hppavilion[1] < 1441936299 37956 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: greet: not found < 1441936305 345610 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need someone to say my name < 1441936307 216952 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot < 1441936307 466191 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: for 4.1 to 4.0 i need to do unit testing for some reason. i get it < 1441936309 763998 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1441936311 613940 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good < 1441936616 723422 :Bender!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 QUIT :Quit: [restarting] < 1441936666 634517 :bender|!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441937086 305920 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1441937095 66784 :bender|!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 NICK :bender < 1441937239 150239 :bender!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 NICK :randi < 1441937245 902054 :randi!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 NICK :bender < 1441938744 848369 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org QUIT :Quit: ZNC 1.6.1 - http://znc.in < 1441939553 126396 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah the neighbor has some kind of once-a-minute alarm going off < 1441939559 41004 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the middle of the night < 1441939573 112717 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@time oerjan < 1441939573 647503 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for oerjan is Fri Sep 11 04:46:13 2015 < 1441939575 157695 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i don't _think_ it's in my apartment.) < 1441939615 571536 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :how would you feel about a work day starting at 05:45 mgitwnh < 1441939680 365918 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i cannot imagine that they're home... < 1441939717 123166 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless it actually _is_ in my apartment. it's eerily close to the fan and it seemed to get louder when i turned it on... < 1441939732 534528 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1441939744 63070 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but why would there be an alarm when i cut the power... < 1441939756 877126 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's on the floor above, < 1441939779 762810 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a phone is running out a batteries lying on the floor unattended < 1441940089 36248 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :my best triangulation says it's _probably_ behind the wall behind the kitchen bench / stove < 1441940129 679125 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assume the neighbor's kitchen is there? < 1441940135 414158 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1441940271 465768 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1441940514 329781 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441940516 854367 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :im baaaak < 1441940554 518341 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :going to make a esolang that consists of only ^ and v < 1441940575 190828 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you `^_^v etc.? < 1441940816 743184 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth < 1441940863 347846 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :v_v < 1441940986 752002 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oko < 1441941012 155060 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`´` < 1441941012 838490 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: ´`: not found < 1441942037 179357 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, i am only ^v here < 1441942151 664419 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :v_v' < 1441942302 646908 :bender!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1441943884 307461 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are too many binary esolangs < 1441943924 110610 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, I mean esolangs with only two symbols in source, not esolangs that use binary numbers < 1441944671 816916 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren_: That is why there should be an esolang with only one symbol. < 1441944974 74864 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zgrep: Already exists. Unifuck < 1441945295 980750 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1441946027 727546 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1441946158 941611 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Maybe < 1441948894 456229 :sc00fy!~scoofy@89.135.80.2 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441949452 942378 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw2-54f80e-20.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1441949483 307072 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1441950580 264626 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/izabera/c-bits/blob/master/emg/spell.c how is this < 1441950636 217727 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :reads words and checks their spelling < 1441950649 103530 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :any idea to make it faster? < 1441951277 244915 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you could built a trie < 1441951305 551896 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lookup is O(length of input) < 1441951320 500949 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought about it but the slow part is producing the corrections < 1441951373 352566 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :lookup takes at most 17 steps with my dictionary < 1441951405 494130 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1441952118 613618 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-46-134.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1441952474 119562 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw2-54f80e-20.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1441953942 980176 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH JOIN :#esoteric < 1441954123 29800 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: http://julesjacobs.github.io/2015/06/17/disqus-levenshtein-simple-and-fast.html < 1441955293 368182 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.190.253.145 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441955710 937723 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1441955817 579990 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@94.123.204.32 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441956259 540868 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1441956262 85277 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :automata FTW < 1441956337 478452 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for producing corrections at least < 1441956347 636800 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for looking up, tries are nice < 1441956490 11506 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that a trie isn't just an automaton in disguise < 1441956547 173147 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have multiple questions. < 1441956604 565467 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Firstly, what's the resolution of the highest resolution TFT monitors these days? < 1441956834 358407 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know, 3840 x 2160? < 1441956945 180309 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why < 1441957005 681433 :bender|!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441957165 658037 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@94.123.204.32 QUIT :Changing host < 1441957165 836505 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang JOIN :#esoteric < 1441957504 874205 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ashl: well, I was just wondering. I realized that my code would have an interger overflow if you called it with a video of size 8192x8192 pixels, and I was wondering how close we are to those kind of videos getting common. < 1441957526 145262 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@seen ais523 < 1441957526 787537 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :4iS523 < 1441957542 413707 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :` echo 8192 8192 \* p | dc < 1441957543 50149 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: : not found < 1441957556 653716 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION blinks < 1441957583 813658 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo 8192 8192 \* p | dc < 1441957585 99834 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :67108864 < 1441957594 275869 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm wait, maybe bigger < 1441957600 824757 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would it overflow there < 1441957601 384704 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually 16384*16384 < 1441957622 43308 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I allocate an array of size 8 bytes per pixel, plus some extra, and index it with an int32_t < 1441957631 807549 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see < 1441957640 23911 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo 5 15 \* p | dc < 1441957640 600577 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :75 < 1441957665 793409 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo 5 15 \** p | dc < 1441957666 459801 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dc: stack empty \ 75 < 1441957676 40542 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo 5 15 \*\* p | dc < 1441957676 938154 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dc: stack empty \ 75 < 1441957692 366674 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my dc-fu is not very good < 1441957707 674681 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo 16384 128 \* p | dc < 1441957707 923439 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should have used 8192d*p < 1441957708 321621 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2097152 < 1441957732 635687 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo 16384 968 \* p | dc < 1441957733 151365 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :15859712 < 1441957747 674174 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Virgolang: what are you doing and why < 1441957757 165540 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` dc -e < 1441957757 740774 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dc: option requires an argument -- 'e' \ Usage: dc [OPTION] [file ...] \ -e, --expression=EXPR evaluate expression \ -f, --file=FILE evaluate contents of file \ -h, --help display this help and exit \ -V, --version output version information and exit \ \ Email bug reports to: bug-dc@gnu.org . < 1441957759 320052 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :trying to overflow it < 1441957760 933413 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` dc -e "" < 1441957761 522279 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1441957848 577739 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :is is have an bf evaluator? < 1441957873 785758 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :*it < 1441957887 207111 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :*is it < 1441957929 147074 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can pm commands < 1441957929 917673 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :english is not your native language, i suppose < 1441957944 192151 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is an typo < 1441957949 585907 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :and true < 1441957959 565394 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :not my native language < 1441957962 254642 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"is it have an bf evaluator" < 1441958006 385978 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric : ^a < 1441958024 150752 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^does < 1441958035 797101 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :^help < 1441958035 977106 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ ; ^def ; ^show [command]; lang=bf/ul, code=text/str:N; ^str 0-9 get/set/add [text]; ^style [style]; ^bool < 1441958037 160718 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :found the answer in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_monitor#Resolution < 1441958054 926010 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Apple ... introduced a 5120x2880 Retina iMac at 27 in (69 cm) on October 16, 2014. By 2015 all major display manufactuers had released 3840x2160 resolution displays." < 1441958055 453831 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :^add < 1441958065 623624 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :^add < 1441958073 154354 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :^help add < 1441958073 331991 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ ; ^def ; ^show [command]; lang=bf/ul, code=text/str:N; ^str 0-9 get/set/add [text]; ^style [style]; ^bool < 1441958085 304507 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :^def < 1441958085 484978 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hai < 1441958096 411231 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bool < 1441958096 590163 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1441958112 974659 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :^add prefix VirgoBeta & < 1441958120 536433 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :please stop < 1441958124 3827 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1441958173 441599 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1441958199 26110 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1441958221 773139 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just to point it out: the help doesn't say a word about ^add even existing < 1441958388 599524 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :^prefixes add VirgoBeta & < 1441958388 780052 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEgo `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ?, thutubot +, metasepia ~, idris-bot ( , jconn ) , blsqbot ! < 1441958390 956679 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? resolution < 1441958391 708094 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :resolution? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1441958418 86891 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it also does not say a word about ^prefixes existing < 1441958455 192182 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`le/rn resolution/As of 2015, highest resolution commercial computer monitors are 5120x2880 Apple and 3840x2160 other. < 1441958459 564800 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned «resolution» < 1441958464 154921 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? resolution < 1441958466 135969 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :As of 2015, highest resolution commercial computer monitors are 5120x2880 Apple and 3840x2160 other. < 1441958492 137366 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: do you think the help tells everything? < 1441958511 861676 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: the fungot help doesn't even tell about the ^prefixes command < 1441958512 130995 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: about the silly heap limit on osx/ x86...) with ( if ( for-me? ( fnord, < 1441958584 149132 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :imma starting mah bot < 1441958600 60852 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :^i'm starting my bot < 1441958635 805514 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: isn't that just a trivia? < 1441958648 482478 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :./msg virgobeta &join #esoteric < 1441958674 812564 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :it will join it < 1441958679 285108 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does everybody have to have bots now < 1441958851 239560 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1441959079 513525 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: now? I've been running an irc bot since 2005-12 < 1441959101 258507 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.204.32 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441959110 535941 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :&help < 1441959110 894654 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.204.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Topics are: unlambda ul bf join help hi < 1441959120 92667 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :&help ul < 1441959120 378619 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.204.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Underload interpreter. < 1441959120 561099 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.204.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usage: &ul . Not implemented yet. < 1441959124 664485 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heck, I should probably prepare something to celebrate the tenth anniversary this Christmas < 1441959139 43121 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :&help unlambda < 1441959139 280142 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.204.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unlambda interpreter. < 1441959139 471271 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.204.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usage: &unlambda . Not implemented yet. < 1441959154 652545 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :VirgoBeta: add all of the big six! < 1441959252 313780 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, what was the big six? INTERCAL, Befunge, Brainfuck, Unlambda, Underload, and what's the sixth? Piet? Chef? I don't think it's chef. < 1441959302 110289 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: comp, humanities, misc, news, rec, sci, soc and talk. Wait, that's the big 8 of Usenet. < 1441959411 853366 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: http://www.xkcd.com/1417/ < 1441959423 292898 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: While the displays aren't quite up there, 8K video does exist, but it's 7680x4320. I haven't heard of anything bigger than that becoming "mainstream" in any sense of the word. < 1441959445 198225 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: thanks < 1441959474 75346 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"One advantage of high-resolution displays such as 8K is to have each pixel be indistinguishable from another to the human eye from a much closer distance. On an 8K screen sized 52 inches (132 cm), this effect would be achieved in a distance of 50.8 cm (20 inches) from the screen --" (Wikipedia, "8K resolution"). < 1441959479 110011 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds like a good advantage. < 1441959501 96268 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure many people watch their 52" TVs sitting half a meter away from them. < 1441959501 630456 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-46-134.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1441959841 376062 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.204.32 PART #esoteric :""Changing channel."" < 1441959978 99050 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait, I was right the firs ttime < 1441959993 427772 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I allocate an array of size 32 bytes per pixel in the image, plus a very small overhead < 1441960013 942410 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it would overflow an int32_t for a 8192*8192 image < 1441960431 639448 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"hey, i know, i make ANOTHER bot that interprets bf" < 1441960451 572284 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can look into Virgobeta's repo on GitHub < 1441960541 983353 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should make it <- < 1441960546 138822 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :<-help < 1441960554 607434 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1441960558 460908 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric := is enough < 1441960643 267655 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, an IRC bot that implements piet would be good < 1441960644 874747 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: That doesn't sound big enough. I mean, 8192 * 8192 * 32 = 2^12 * 2^12 * 2^5 = 2^(12 + 12 + 5) = 2^29. < 1441960702 91772 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i for one regularly type out piet programs on IRC < 1441960727 609832 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Virgolang: can you please add a piet interpreter to the bot < 1441960741 872551 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1441960743 441773 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could also add a piet IDE to the bot's tk interface < 1441960757 361211 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll try < 1441960776 254384 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ashl: type one now < 1441960934 80138 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slightly related: xvinfo reports the maximum size of hardware-accelerated videos (for Xv, anyway), and as I've switched graphics cards (Matrox Mystique 220 to G200 to G450 to a series of GeForce cards I couldn't recall the names of, to GTX 660) I think that's been steadily growing; I remember seeing sizes around 2048x2048, 8192x8192 and the current one says 16384x16384. < 1441960968 868672 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: hmm < 1441960975 673456 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me count it again on my fingers < 1441960998 527246 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :2^29 is a lot of fingers. < 1441961012 966627 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that's probably why I made a mistake < 1441961015 432684 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a song about having too many fingers. < 1441961044 906877 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: no, you've made the mistake < 1441961050 109843 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :8192 is 2**13 < 1441961052 220673 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not 2**12 < 1441961065 868950 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just testing you. < 1441961069 551187 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`perl -e 2**12 < 1441961070 92506 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1441961076 982026 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`perl -e print 2**12 < 1441961077 704907 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :4096 < 1441961078 774120 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`perl -e print 2**13 < 1441961079 454429 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :8192 < 1441961080 399041 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :see < 1441961080 578669 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that, but somehow mungled when verifying. < 1441961099 353637 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I obviously know that 12-bit color is 4096 and so on. < 1441961105 745186 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you don't have enough fingers either < 1441961110 422566 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1441961120 90652 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Too many fingers / have I got in my hand / I think there happened a creature / an alien creature", paraphrasing the song. < 1441961123 266434 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's in Finnish.) < 1441961137 268426 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It rhymes better in Finnish.) < 1441961147 23230 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it also grammar in finnish? < 1441961165 422408 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ashl: It's kind of nonstandard grammar also in Finnish, so I tried to be true to the original. < 1441961201 319970 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :("Liikaa sormia / ompi mulla kädessä / taisi käydä olio / avaruus-olio.") < 1441961256 148467 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It goes on to lament the plurality of fingers, and seeking for a way to get rid of them. < 1441961333 597626 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :it downloads the piet image and starts interpreting < 1441961388 836003 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :=piet download < 1441961404 480767 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hope i can do it < 1441961474 30142 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, i was hoping it would interpret colour codes in the IRC message < 1441961885 855620 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry i can not add piet < 1441961889 32373 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1441961904 40540 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ashl: :D < 1441961933 974208 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ashl: you could even interpret the text itself < 1441961942 332907 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's add more dimensions < 1441962055 918312 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1441962057 535145 :heddwch!~heddwch@76.8.3.189 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1441962084 451557 :heddwch!~heddwch@76.8.3.189 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441962326 877840 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1441962540 912565 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, second question. In what turn-based strategy games is there a voluntary conduct of never escaping from a fight except before your first move, whether by running away or by magically teleporting away with some item or magic? < 1441962554 995761 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.204.32 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441962582 499342 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :virgobeta's prefix is =. (fixed clashing with gribble) < 1441962586 224549 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :=help < 1441962586 402818 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.204.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Topics are: hi bf ul join unlambda help < 1441962617 597862 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :i will add it googling < 1441963949 87985 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.204.32 PART #esoteric :"Changing channel to '#botters'." < 1441964803 644068 :J_A_Work!~J_Arcane@87.94.164.234 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441964939 990369 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.204.32 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441965449 572887 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you Jafet < 1441965576 671230 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.204.32 PART #esoteric :"Changing channel to '#freenode'." < 1441965596 338278 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.204.32 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441965610 745497 :banzaikitten!~banzai@unaffiliated/banzaikitten JOIN :#esoteric < 1441965642 592032 :banzaikitten!~banzai@unaffiliated/banzaikitten PART :#esoteric < 1441965873 582744 :bender|!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 QUIT :Quit: [restarting this giant block of shit] < 1441966008 654096 :bender|!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441966017 537012 :bender|!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1441966047 830774 :bender|!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441966124 707667 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhm i'm reading this link that Jafet showed http://julesjacobs.github.io/2015/06/17/disqus-levenshtein-simple-and-fast.html < 1441966156 7315 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i only want words with levenshtein distance = 1 from my word < 1441966171 880255 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think my way is faster? < 1441967964 381806 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.190.253.145 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1441968209 974205 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the same asymptotic complexity. I don't think you can say much more without benchmarking. Also, yours is the Damerau-Levenshtein distance. < 1441968993 806684 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will add google to my bot! < 1441969191 583890 :athenabot!~athenabot@59.189.181.50 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441969199 128272 :bender|!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ath.help < 1441969199 480934 :athenabot!~athenabot@59.189.181.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Athena, Version: 0.97b ---- Codname: Twisty Turtle. Commands: ath.bf, ath.be, ath.ul, ath.eval, ath.join , ath.[d,b,h]2[d,b,h], ath.ccount, ath.time, ath.list, ath.leave, ath.reload, ath.source, ath.xkcd, ath.tr < 1441969232 509499 :bender|!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops sorry wrong channel < 1441969580 804261 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Third question. In linux with vga text mode console, how do you control the cursor shapes, that is, which scanlines of the character it occupies? < 1441969780 731229 :bender|!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think you can, if you want to stick to the standard libraries. < 1441969792 486517 :bender|!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 PRIVMSG #esoteric :see: (n)curses < 1441970164 156127 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441970470 19812 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.204.32 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1441970483 9692 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1441970596 524566 :TieSoul!~quassel@2a02:a448:4a62:0:548d:2bb6:e105:b48e JOIN :#esoteric < 1441970720 573539 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.204.32 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441970729 346328 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :=help < 1441970744 770973 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1441970753 176664 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrong redirection < 1441970800 225103 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.204.32 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1441970824 385484 :J_A_Work!~J_Arcane@87.94.164.234 QUIT :Quit: J_A_Work < 1441970979 635763 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.204.32 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441970984 625075 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :=hi < 1441970984 924940 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.204.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi, Virgolang! < 1441971070 106635 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.204.32 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1441971084 596164 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.204.32 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441971095 390993 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :=google esolangs.org < 1441971100 510838 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :bender|: I don't care about standard libraries. I want an escape sequence or an ioctl. < 1441971106 592931 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :=google esolangs.org < 1441971119 682763 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :why it don't works < 1441971134 519365 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I looked at the manual and didn't find one < 1441971140 13038 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's unlikely that there isn't a way. < 1441971152 738423 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should look in the kernel sources. < 1441971253 377942 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.204.32 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1441971269 582916 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.204.32 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441971276 709644 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :=google google < 1441971277 326217 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.204.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> https://www.facebook.com/Google < 1441971277 506458 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.204.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> http://www.google.com/ < 1441971277 506509 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.204.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google < 1441971278 682107 :athenabot!~athenabot@59.189.181.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :An error occurred while processing the link. < 1441971278 984328 :athenabot!~athenabot@59.189.181.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Title: Google < 1441971280 651477 :athenabot!~athenabot@59.189.181.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Title: Google - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia < 1441971306 483830 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric := is my prefix! < 1441971306 702540 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.204.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric : is not implemented. Sorry. < 1441971319 877205 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :=help < 1441971320 57877 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.204.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Topics are: help leave hi google joinst join unlambda ul bf < 1441971334 246731 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :=google esolangs.org < 1441971334 573838 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.204.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> https://esolangs.org/wiki/Brainfuck < 1441971334 751558 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.204.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> http://esolangs.org/wiki/ook! < 1441971334 751637 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.204.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> http://esolangs.org/wiki/malbolge < 1441971337 209135 :athenabot!~athenabot@59.189.181.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Title: Brainfuck - Esolang < 1441971338 464154 :athenabot!~athenabot@59.189.181.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Title: Ook! - Esolang < 1441971339 298815 :athenabot!~athenabot@59.189.181.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Title: Malbolge - Esolang < 1441971365 475524 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :virgobeta + athenabot = ? < 1441971378 204246 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :=google esolangs.org virgo < 1441971379 302018 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.204.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> https://esolangs.org/wiki/Language_list < 1441971379 486660 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.204.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> https://www.facebook.com/Antnatan < 1441971379 664770 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.204.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> https://www.facebook.com/liucija.razguviene < 1441971382 225964 :athenabot!~athenabot@59.189.181.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Title: Language list - Esolang < 1441971383 604615 :athenabot!~athenabot@59.189.181.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :An error occurred while processing the link. < 1441971389 406081 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :=google esolangs.org/irgo < 1441971390 255868 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.204.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~sws/pubs/sbs13.pdf < 1441971390 436741 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.204.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> https://igor.io/2014/10/04/end-the-war-on-tabs.html < 1441971390 436800 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.204.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> https://www.facebook.com/anastasia.mihailovskaia?fref=nf < 1441971394 481570 :athenabot!~athenabot@59.189.181.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Title: Department of Computer Science < 1441971396 180352 :athenabot!~athenabot@59.189.181.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Title: End the war on tabs < 1441971396 389777 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :=google esolangs.org/virgo < 1441971397 163385 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.204.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> https://esolangs.org/wiki/Language_list < 1441971397 340940 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.204.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> https://www.facebook.com/Antnatan < 1441971397 340989 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.204.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> https://www.facebook.com/liucija.razguviene < 1441971397 595782 :athenabot!~athenabot@59.189.181.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :An error occurred while processing the link. < 1441971400 190865 :athenabot!~athenabot@59.189.181.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Title: Language list - Esolang < 1441971401 634493 :athenabot!~athenabot@59.189.181.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :An error occurred while processing the link. < 1441971413 710233 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :no more spam. < 1441971421 887786 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :=leave #esoteric < 1441971442 528347 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :=join #virgo-test < 1441971450 899756 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :=join #virgo < 1441971477 786060 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :=join #virgo < 1441971535 828031 :J_A_Work!~J_Arcane@87.94.164.234 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441972534 28220 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't interfer with other bots < 1441972613 619146 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the commonly used way to go is to prepend every output with a zero-width space < 1441972638 344694 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1441972986 716382 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1441974073 481949 :J_A_Work!~J_Arcane@87.94.164.234 QUIT :Quit: J_A_Work < 1441975057 536292 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.204.32 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1441976129 909702 :ineiros!~itniemin@dsl-hkibrasgw1-58c3fe-184.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1441976136 981680 :ineiros_!~itniemin@dsl-hkibrasgw1-58c3fe-184.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1441976178 608966 :ineiros_!~itniemin@dsl-hkibrasgw1-58c3fe-184.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Client Quit < 1441976572 604488 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1441977560 828736 :bender|!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1441977566 956974 :athenabot!~athenabot@59.189.181.50 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1441977615 587763 :bender|!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441978239 353003 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would have used ♍ as the prefix < 1441978316 64935 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1441978598 200479 :bender|!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 NICK :bender < 1441978660 870655 :x10A94!~x10A94@178.252.73.97 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441978772 328424 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :go ahead, it will likely not become a bot prefix < 1441978812 459075 :|f`-`|f!~rikc@108.65.78.116 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1441978867 637419 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about using the zero width space as a trigger < 1441978888 874269 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :impossible to trigger < 1441978893 839130 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :go ahead and get banned < 1441978905 225020 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe NICK :sortietac < 1441978908 77107 :sortietac!nortti@ayu.smar.moe NICK :nortti < 1441978922 687048 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :gcc -fno-rtti ?? < 1441978949 544330 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :gcc -fnord < 1441978976 253069 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :gcc -ffreestanding < 1441979006 918895 :|f`-`|f!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441979146 550261 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe NICK :[]{}\|-_`^ < 1441979163 392069 :[]{}\|-_`^!nortti@ayu.smar.moe NICK :unbender < 1441979173 410702 :unbender!nortti@ayu.smar.moe NICK :nortti < 1441979239 671970 :bender!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 NICK :sid123 < 1441979261 145218 :sid123!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 NICK :bender| < 1441979619 770258 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441980009 830917 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1441980995 264081 :bender|!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 NICK :bender < 1441981074 872990 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1441981124 856790 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-35-82.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1441981125 697694 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1441981167 41508 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-35-82.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1441981167 221035 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1441982297 740323 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@94.123.204.32 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441982599 764357 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@2a02:2c40:400:0:ed2:92ff:fe3b:ec82 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441983306 138317 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441983898 910377 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.204.32 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441983914 635557 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@94.123.204.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :=hi ais523 < 1441983915 166541 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.204.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi, ais523! (from Virgolang) < 1441983925 282476 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1441983927 333092 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :new prefix? < 1441983928 40761 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@94.123.204.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1441983931 240378 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@94.123.204.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1441983941 593950 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@94.123.204.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :& conflicts with gribble < 1441983943 67893 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :=bf +.[+.] < 1441983943 552361 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.204.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :->  \ < 1441983951 481273 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hi < 1441983957 558414 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wanted to ask something about terminals < 1441983973 279821 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :go on < 1441983987 87803 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :In linux with vga text mode console, how do I control the cursor shapes, that is, which scanlines of the character it occupies? < 1441984011 142074 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :=bf +++++++++++++.>++++++++++++++[>++++>++>++++++++>++++++<<<<-]>>>>---.++++.------------.+++++++++++.<<++++.<++.>>+++.+.>+++++++++++++++++++++.+++..<<.>++.-.>.++.<----------------.>++++.<----.+.>------.<+++.<<+++++. < 1441984011 700218 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.204.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> < 1441984011 880098 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.204.32 QUIT :Client Quit < 1441984018 977012 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@94.123.204.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh? < 1441984019 253806 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's bound to be a control sequence or ioctl for this, but I haven't seen one in the docs. I haven't yet searched in the Linux source. < 1441984029 266097 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Virgolang: looks like it's outputting \r as newline, that'll also need escaping < 1441984035 342128 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i.e. replacing with " \ ") < 1441984037 817868 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@94.123.204.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1441984048 180501 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I think it's the irc server that interprets \r as newline < 1441984078 575112 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@94.123.204.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :virgobeta has an ban filter < 1441984097 385247 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@94.123.204.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :blocks commands from who are in its ban list < 1441984112 305836 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@94.123.204.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it saves time, reason and ban count < 1441984127 27783 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@94.123.204.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to separate config file < 1441984134 528739 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@94.123.204.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :banned.ini < 1441984149 142291 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: and an unconnected question: In what turn-based strategy games is there a voluntary conduct of never escaping from a fight except before trying any other move. Escaping can count plain running away, or magically teleporting with an item etc. < 1441984154 272434 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: "Ioctl's are undocumented Linux internals, liable to be changed without warning." < 1441984160 906895 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :could explain why I can't find one for cursor size < 1441984169 809837 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.204.32 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441984174 697287 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well sure, but the console_ioctl manpage documents them. < 1441984180 103817 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: you mean a tracked conduct? < 1441984184 995331 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@94.123.204.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :test it please < 1441984190 51826 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are some that track how many times you escape altogether < 1441984193 485574 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :=bf +++++++++++++.>++++++++++++++[>++++>++>++++++++>++++++<<<<-]>>>>---.++++.------------.+++++++++++.<<++++.<++.>>+++.+.>+++++++++++++++++++++.+++..<<.>++.-.>.++.<----------------.>++++.<----.+.>------.<+++.<<+++++. < 1441984193 667136 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.204.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> \ QUIT :still vulnerable? < 1441984200 182225 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems to be working now < 1441984204 7004 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you can point to how to change them with some higher level thing, like the kbd programs or a library, sure, I can figure out the ioctl from that I think. < 1441984210 736819 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1441984214 864630 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@94.123.204.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :=help < 1441984215 46791 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.204.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Topics are: google join unlambda help ul hi bf joinst leave < 1441984222 687614 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@94.123.204.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has ban list < 1441984225 219083 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: it's not a setting that I know how to change < 1441984231 485098 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :=help joinst < 1441984231 687092 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.204.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Same with join, but does not leaves current channel. < 1441984231 864989 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.204.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usage =joinst <#channel> < 1441984240 105667 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, conduct tracked by the game. < 1441984253 631853 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I don't think there are any which track "contested escapes" < 1441984262 741669 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@94.123.204.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas test it < 1441984269 9310 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :except possibly games where all escapes are contested due to game mechanics < 1441984281 352440 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@94.123.204.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :testing ban filter < 1441984284 7268 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@94.123.204.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lololo < 1441984299 360568 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Pokémon Ranger doesn't track escapes AFAIK, maybe it does, but it has a rule that you can't escape a fight unless one of your opponents is damaged) < 1441984310 933789 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1441984312 733344 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@94.123.204.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want to test its ban filter < 1441984322 635458 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@94.123.204.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i can not < 1441984332 573351 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@94.123.204.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas test it < 1441984343 867874 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@94.123.204.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :will it say you are banned? < 1441984363 409023 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I was thinking of this because some dosish programs use two different non-invisible cursor sizes to indicate some sort of state, such as insert mode vs overstrike mode < 1441984388 866132 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :usually two out of (block, lower half block, low line). < 1441984403 281130 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact CMD does this too < 1441984450 512243 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to remember it was settable in DOS, although I can't remember how < 1441984456 470652 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :some interrupt perhaps < 1441984461 998102 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@94.123.204.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int < 1441984463 467247 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@94.123.204.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :20h < 1441984483 19461 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume the VGA cursor is a hardware feature? < 1441984488 890037 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, it's a hardware feature < 1441984507 122002 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you specify it as a starting scanline and ending scan line within the character < 1441984514 639806 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@94.123.204.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah=00h/int 13h < 1441984518 515445 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can be broken so you get a top and a bottom line, but nobody does that < 1441984534 944055 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :on text mode that is < 1441984541 897446 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :in graphics mode I think there's only soft cursor < 1441984554 526511 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@94.123.204.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :=help < 1441984554 707114 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.204.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Topics are: google join unlambda help ul hi bf joinst leave < 1441984566 940650 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@94.123.204.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :=leave #esoteric < 1441984567 118050 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.204.32 PART #esoteric :"Leaving from '#esoteric'..." < 1441984623 496505 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.204.32 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441984647 197724 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@94.123.204.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :=hi < 1441984647 378105 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.204.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi, Virgolang! < 1441984659 801098 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@94.123.204.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bjonas =hi < 1441984665 399527 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@94.123.204.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :=hi b_jonas < 1441984665 580048 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.204.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi, b_jonas! (from Virgolang) < 1441984683 797519 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I wondered if I could use two or three different visible cursors to indicate state in my programs. I can probably patch urxvt, but I'd prefer a standard interface like an escape sequence that at least some terminal already supports, over making up my own. < 1441984697 326829 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@94.123.204.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :=leave #esoteric < 1441984697 504453 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.204.32 PART #esoteric :"Leaving from '#esoteric'..." < 1441984715 885493 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know there's an escape sequence for making the cursor invisible or visible. < 1441984728 804130 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I don't (usually) want an invisible cursor. < 1441985572 109706 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.204.32 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441985723 864232 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1441985737 589695 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441985764 467056 :bender!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 QUIT :Quit: [system slowdown] < 1441985811 600877 :bender|!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441985972 776591 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@94.123.204.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :=help < 1441985972 957424 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.204.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Topics are: google join unlambda help ul hi bf joinst leave < 1441985998 76981 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@94.123.204.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :=help join < 1441985998 254931 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.204.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Moves Virgobeta to the specific channel. Recommended to use PM. < 1441985998 433956 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.204.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usage: =join <#channel>. < 1441986014 237443 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@94.123.204.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :=help google < 1441986014 415402 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.204.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Queries Google. < 1441986014 595074 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.204.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usage: =google . < 1441986036 195972 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@94.123.204.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :=google hello world < 1441986036 869445 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.204.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> http://www.learnpython.org/en/Hello,_World! < 1441986037 49031 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.204.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> http://www.helloworld.com/ < 1441986037 49118 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.204.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> http://introcs.cs.princeton.edu/11hello/HelloWorld.java.html < 1441986122 420602 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@94.123.204.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :=help < 1441986122 638156 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.204.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Topics are: google join unlambda help ul hi bf joinst leave < 1441986231 70913 :bender|!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 NICK :bender < 1441986332 348277 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1441986359 278717 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441987074 548693 :bender!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1441987100 302232 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1441987134 966093 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-azuosfwqstlpdikn JOIN :#esoteric < 1441987136 542083 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441987156 951812 :Deepfriedice!~Deepfried@CPE-60-231-36-191.lns7.cha.bigpond.net.au QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1441987319 782999 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@2a02:2c40:400:0:ed2:92ff:fe3b:ec82 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1441987404 510639 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Client Quit < 1441987434 920313 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441987708 784017 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Client Quit < 1441987775 815445 :bender!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441987801 835269 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441988091 327702 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1441988198 632285 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@94.123.204.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :=leave #esoteric < 1441988198 632347 :VirgoBeta!~VirgoBeta@94.123.204.32 PART #esoteric :"Leaving from '#esoteric'..." < 1441988366 742528 :bender!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1441988584 539492 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-64-77.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1441988593 673191 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1441988606 312687 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441988663 758530 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@94.123.204.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am writing an configuration,ban,betascripting modules for my bot. < 1441989062 421010 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@94.123.204.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ban and configuration is ok < 1441989067 379197 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@94.123.204.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*completed < 1441989200 881815 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would prefer if you did it somewhere else. < 1441989266 739922 :gniourf!~gniourf@pdm-l03.insa-lyon.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1441989293 909078 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1441989300 607322 :Virgolang_!~Virgolang@94.123.204.14 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441989468 541765 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@94.123.204.32 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1441989505 257093 :Virgolang_!~Virgolang@94.123.204.14 NICK :Virgolang < 1441989520 3085 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@94.123.204.14 QUIT :Changing host < 1441989520 182003 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang JOIN :#esoteric < 1441989708 675812 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441989847 330207 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yo i'm tempted to do a #fixyourconnection ban... < 1441989863 824811 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: but it's not my connection and I don't have perms to fix it < 1441989867 966886 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-64-77.access.telenet.be QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1441989876 219987 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although mostly because of how ##nomic looks, which doesn't help. < 1441989877 234673 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am aware that it's broken < 1441989960 955030 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it possible to do SSH with a one-time-pad (in addition to other security measures)? < 1441990125 837772 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a cursory Internet Search suggests a simple way of doing it: http://www.volkerschatz.com/net/1timepad.html < 1441990138 219204 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-64-77.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1441990497 590657 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1441990625 710359 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441990780 433564 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you intend to get the pad to the server < 1441990815 48703 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Presumably with a disk. < 1441991215 409418 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1441991342 823442 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders what zzo38 is doing that requires such security < 1441991495 776905 :|f`-`|f!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1441991658 838558 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441991686 147853 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`olist 1004 < 1441991704 614729 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olist 1004: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly boily nortti < 1441991729 256725 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: kind of impractical though to only be able to transfer a set amount of data (until the pad runs out) < 1441991963 947232 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` cat bin/olist < 1441991964 527767 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo -n "$(basename "$0")${@:+ }$@: "; tail -n+2 "$0" | xargs; exit \ shachaf \ oerjan \ Sgeo \ FireFly \ boily \ nortti < 1441991990 145777 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? olist < 1441991992 725179 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Update notification for the webcomic Order of the Stick. http://www.giantitp.com/cgi-bin/GiantITP/ootscript < 1441992024 743283 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :order of the script, eh < 1441992048 60601 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't understand. < 1441992490 658259 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1441992667 967578 :|f`-`|f!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441992748 308904 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-64-77.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1441992875 748375 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-64-77.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1441992899 590938 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1441993052 99748 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441993994 800493 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-azuosfwqstlpdikn QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1441994188 144196 :VirgoTheta!~VirgoThet@94.123.204.14 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441994203 355576 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :its name is temporarily virgotheta < 1441994208 505413 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :=help < 1441994208 883919 :VirgoTheta!~VirgoThet@94.123.204.14 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Topics are: config bf help joinst addban hi bantime leave google banwhy ul unlambda join < 1441994220 608491 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :=leave < 1441994310 306169 :Virgolang_!~Virgolang@94.123.192.145 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441994315 487753 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :grr < 1441994386 583780 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :without i/o a language is not worth being a language? < 1441994390 213880 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dare say! < 1441994395 447455 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have gall! < 1441994413 519684 :Virgolang_!~Virgolang@94.123.192.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1441994419 906340 :Virgolang_!~Virgolang@94.123.192.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :=help < 1441994422 998250 :Virgolang_!~Virgolang@94.123.192.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahh < 1441994453 224127 :VirgoTheta!~VirgoThet@94.123.204.14 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1441994489 996066 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pbflist < 1441994490 661203 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pbflist: shachaf Sgeo quintopia ion < 1441994515 700733 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1441994519 719097 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1441994524 458303 :Virgolang_!~Virgolang@94.123.192.145 NICK :Virgolang < 1441994532 979134 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@94.123.192.145 QUIT :Changing host < 1441994533 159709 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang JOIN :#esoteric < 1441994636 631134 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1441994663 485081 :Virgolang_!~Virgolang@94.123.192.188 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441994839 280362 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1441994851 862395 :Virgolang_!~Virgolang@94.123.192.188 NICK :Virgolang < 1441994858 645339 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@94.123.192.188 QUIT :Changing host < 1441994858 822904 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang JOIN :#esoteric < 1441995191 426610 :mihow!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441995615 541570 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vwbohbiwfqqucqjj JOIN :#esoteric < 1441995639 330414 :kallisti!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1441995644 312419 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1441995653 403563 :kallisti!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello I am a new person so this place is new to me what are the new things happening here? < 1441995693 70448 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :people doing weird stuff < 1441995798 222194 :heddwch!~heddwch@76.8.3.189 NICK :pidyn < 1441995834 877828 :kallisti!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I went back to my old wikipedia stuff a while ago, and found that a terrible metaspace essay I wrote in 2006 is still there, and has been nominated for deletion 5 times. < 1441995840 375764 :kallisti!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Miscellany_for_deletion/Wikipedia:Don%27t-give-a-fuckism_(5th_nomination) < 1441995874 390434 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome kallisti < 1441995875 408033 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: . (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.) < 1441995904 728588 :pidyn!~heddwch@76.8.3.189 NICK :heddwch < 1441995908 617264 :kallisti!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I'm actually not new but thanks. I guess I haven't been here in so long that I might as well be new. < 1441995911 641602 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :currently the main activity in-channel is Virgolang testing a bot; however there are various people working on esolang projects on teh side < 1441995918 477876 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*the side < 1441995930 146425 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've resurrected The Underlambda Project, now with capital letters < 1441995950 546843 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so far I have a compiler that compiles brainfuck into an unimplemented language; the compiler itself is written in a different unimplemented language < 1441995954 299421 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as a result I don't have much of a way to test it < 1441995974 258499 :kallisti!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow seems very official with that capital letter < 1441995977 320425 :kallisti!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice job < 1441996021 92370 :kallisti!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, sounds like there hasn't been much work into the field of testing unimplemented software. Perhaps this is something we need to progress? < 1441996057 394356 :kallisti!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps write an unimplemented proof checking language for testing unimplemented code < 1441996158 602738 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: didn't you learn unit testing! < 1441996210 961856 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: doesn't that require some way to actually run the program? < 1441996240 133866 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, look at kallistis proposal < 1441996336 937336 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1441996345 234844 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1441996358 443750 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441996378 978462 :kallisti!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, there's a lot of work on implementations of things, but not a lot of people have developed unimplemented software and I think this is an area of development we could pioneer. There's certainly a lot of missing tools that need to be unimplemented in order to unimplement other software. < 1441996481 258235 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :HI < 1441996485 468993 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Virgolang: Hellu < 1441996606 463419 :kallisti!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the way wikipedia works is actually insane < 1441996615 826519 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1441997120 208086 :Alcest!~alcest@93.186.169.30 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441997174 185611 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes you are right, but it is better than nothing! < 1441997205 826251 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1441997299 164399 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: you know, conventional wisdom is that unimplemented software is difficult to use because it's unrunnable. < 1441997317 202177 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think we need to think twice before dismissing unrunnable software, though. < 1441997350 381382 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we have a wiki full of it < 1441997356 708668 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a patch for xterm to implement ANSI music? < 1441997375 695675 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although most software produced nowadays is runnable, there's a large supply of unrunnable software as well. < 1441997386 1252 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :We need to determine what some ways are to put unrunnable software to good use. < 1441997400 345415 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are lots of things you can do with unrunnable software, after all, such as static analysis. < 1441997404 2607 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dammit < 1441997410 280604 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tabbed out when Virgolang showed up xD < 1441997412 898250 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that can be the use < 1441997485 113303 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: you see the "Previous AfDs for this article:" box (which is apparently misnamed as that's an MfD?) I implemented that < 1441997495 639802 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(someone seems to have copied the code over to MfD) < 1441997547 923129 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Virgolang < 1441997558 835169 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1441997584 151596 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow are there a lot of comments on the fourth MfD < 1441997601 253463 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Get on zodiac virgo < 1441997629 188676 :kallisti!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: nice < 1441997701 745570 :kallisti!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I just find it simultaneously amusing and disturbing that an essay my 15 year-old self wrote in 2006 has been revised and maintained for 9 years and been in numerous burecratic processes, and linked on approx. 1500 different meta-pages < 1441997716 633064 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that said, I'm also responsible for the code behind Wikipedia's current AfD process, I'm surprised it hasn't been rewritten since < 1441997791 468103 :kallisti!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:The_prophet_wizard_of_the_crayon_cake also this is what happens when you let anyone change your user page for 9 years < 1441997821 242122 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, as soon as you linked that I remembered that kallisti=CakePropher < 1441997823 817653 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*CakeProphet < 1441997827 401182 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but somehow I'd forgotten before then < 1441997849 952085 :kallisti!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly unchanged since last I looked, but still has recent edits. probably a lot of "vandalism" reverts < 1441999772 909762 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Quit: dinner < 1441999939 827997 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1442000495 504496 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Virgo14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44134&oldid=44129 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+8) 10Reworded some stuff < 1442000567 180805 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-64-77.access.telenet.be QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1442000768 711621 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1442000819 730152 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1442000899 272190 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-64-77.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1442001273 770354 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1442001365 399907 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1442001387 449611 :ProofTechnique!~Ptech@65-183-137-193-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1442001812 907477 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@131.104.23.6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1442001855 530741 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@131.104.23.6 NICK :Guest84352 < 1442001882 476356 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :@listmodules < 1442001882 654759 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :activity base bf check compose dice dict djinn dummy elite eval filter free fresh haddock help hoogle instances irc karma localtime metar more oeis offlineRC pl pointful poll pretty quote search slap source spell system tell ticker todo topic type undo unlambda unmtl version where < 1442001991 334244 :x10A94!~x10A94@178.252.73.97 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1442001993 281892 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1442001994 932809 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1442002346 352529 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1442002820 983935 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1442002931 315745 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-64-77.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1442002997 940410 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-64-77.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1442003145 12372 :TieSoul!~quassel@2a02:a448:4a62:0:548d:2bb6:e105:b48e QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1442003319 887108 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can someone read over my current ISA design and critique it? < 1442003343 119503 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523? < 1442003362 121745 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :link < 1442003363 644599 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1442003411 630801 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/ZodiacWorkingGroup/TaurusVM/blob/master/docs/setdocs.txt < 1442003426 322897 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK let me to see too < 1442003427 832103 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :You won't be able to see the Character Codes < 1442003442 411293 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless, of course, you download it and use NP++ or something < 1442003448 940086 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that shouldn't matter < 1442003463 651899 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those are just the way they're represented in the executables < 1442003490 231505 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :@list dict < 1442003490 409094 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :dict provides: dict-help all-dicts bouvier cide devils easton elements foldoc gazetteer hitchcock jargon thesaurus vera wn world02 < 1442003492 941546 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, strangely enough I was thinking about something myself recently < 1442003497 975922 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(asm with varargs opcodes) < 1442003548 457270 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, my aim was a little different: it was to try to create a compressed executable format < 1442003556 351530 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1442003558 23558 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :where the instruction encodings for a given program were as short as possible < 1442003561 403530 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mine is just to be a bit esoteric xD < 1442003574 985142 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it isn't compressed at all (EVERY argument is 64 bits xD) < 1442003578 863991 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what happens when you divide by zero? < 1442003594 873804 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vwbohbiwfqqucqjj QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1442003609 934751 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Good point < 1442003615 433237 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, Unicode asm, that's new < 1442003617 708133 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably an error, or it equals zero < 1442003622 327172 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: It is? < 1442003632 355059 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weird < 1442003637 471508 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume this is intended as a VM bytecode rather than a processor machien code? < 1442003637 812992 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :64 bit unicode asm xD < 1442003643 120517 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course < 1442003653 902807 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or as a torture technique for CPU builders < 1442003671 261291 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1442003679 738683 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh, apart from the crazy arithmetic operators like sin (which shouldn't be too hard to implement), doing all this in Verity would be pretty easy < 1442003700 697989 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming you can come up with some consistent definition of what stdin/stdout/stderr are and the like < 1442003703 607619 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"We identify a timing channel in the floating point instructions of modern x86 processors: the running time of floating point addition and multiplication instructions can vary by two orders of magnitude depending on their operands. We develop a benchmark measuring the timing variability of floating point operations and report on its results. We use floating point data timing variability to demonstrate practical attacks on the security of the ... < 1442003705 669872 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, I do have one piece of advice < 1442003709 651646 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Firefox browser (versions 23 through 27) and the Fuzz differentially private database. Finally, we initiate the study of mitigations to floating point data timing channels with libfixedtimefixedpoint, a new fixed-point, constant-time math library." < 1442003713 624482 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :p. fancy < 1442003717 77140 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't assume a specific number of standard streams; rather, have "stream handles" which are integers < 1442003736 860923 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so instead of FLSHOUT, have a FLSH instruction that takes a stream handle as an argument, and flushes that stream < 1442003745 895665 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :two orders of magnitude, ouch... < 1442003746 420961 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :likewise for input, output, etc. < 1442003796 370840 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Verity? < 1442003797 59567 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that way, an implementation can decide what I/O sources it supports, without needing new special-case opcodes for new platforms < 1442003797 237154 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH JOIN :#esoteric < 1442003811 996086 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I also suggest you use 0 for stdin, 1 for stdout, 2 for stderr) < 1442003849 245440 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: OK < 1442003855 553650 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good idea < 1442003862 345564 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That'll probably make GUI easier or something... < 1442003874 841154 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Verity is my day job; the website about it (not my website) is up at http://veritygos.org/ < 1442003901 657920 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it includes a compiler download, if you want to experiment with it; the license is unfortunate but not unusable < 1442003952 997460 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, I just came across fsize/readf < 1442003957 562462 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is a TOCTOU security bug there < 1442003966 472322 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because someone could make the file larger in between the fsize and readf instructions < 1442003983 737377 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in which case readf would go corrupt some of your memory < 1442004012 421121 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you do if a file contains a NUL byte, btw? AFAICT it's possible to read such files, but not write them < 1442004069 126784 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :finally, I'm a little unclear on how CATCH works; how does the VM search for a CATCH instruction after the HALT instruction runs? < 1442004077 247944 :ProofTechnique!~Ptech@65-183-137-193-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net QUIT :Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com < 1442004081 263118 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Ooooh < 1442004105 820788 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Basically, yes. But only if the HALT's exit value isn't 0 < 1442004109 582102 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :my bot will look like facebook < 1442004113 519768 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :(fro irc) < 1442004116 234092 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :*form < 1442004117 26125 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: I understand that it does search for one < 1442004118 991360 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :*from < 1442004125 3724 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but how does it know where to look? < 1442004136 515357 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are a couple of ways I can see this going < 1442004136 752114 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1442004138 51040 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right < 1442004149 295670 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Fish14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44135&oldid=42781 5* 03108.53.252.27 5* (+0) 10/* Brainfuck interpreter */ < 1442004160 256497 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was planning on prototyping the interpreter for the machine code in Python then upgrading it to C later on < 1442004186 486567 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one is to make it work like exceptions: it jumps back to a CATCH instruction that's already executed, and you have a complimentary UNCATCH instruction to remove a CATCH instruction from the list of executed CATCH instructions (probaly working like a stack, CATCH pushes a HALT handler, UNCATCH pops it) < 1442004212 286059 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :another is much the same but with no UNCATCH, rather a CATCH registers a handler for a particular exit code, and another CATCH with the same code overwrites it < 1442004227 783300 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interesting < 1442004228 374745 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and another is to scan the entire program looking for an appropriate CATCH, in which case you've basically got a COME FROM/label pair < 1442004240 883295 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Awesome xD < 1442004252 172498 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :COME FROM < 1442004264 146050 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you never come across COME FROM before? < 1442004264 539814 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: where is that from? < 1442004266 297888 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have added estericism to my ISA without even trying xD < 1442004272 909156 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've heard of COME FROM < 1442004281 997732 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: There was a seminar at Berkeley about it, apparently. < 1442004307 659859 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am making stellina, the new bot < 1442004349 968515 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: In the current design, it knows where to look by making HALT basically behave like a "GLIDE" instruction < 1442004359 971860 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It stops executing code until it reaches a CONTINUE < 1442004365 224418 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like BREAK/CONTINUE < 1442004402 237754 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right < 1442004604 585147 :j-bot!~j-bot@li1285-84.members.linode.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1442004613 966724 :j-bot!~j-bot@li1285-84.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1442004620 379489 :j-bot!~j-bot@li1285-84.members.linode.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1442004631 924044 :j-bot!~j-bot@li1285-84.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1442004684 774774 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I add immediate instructions? < 1442004706 920677 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Immediate ALU instructions, that is < 1442004712 484655 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to add Bit Shift... < 1442004755 212230 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523? < 1442004812 750372 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, it depends on what sort of asm you're going for < 1442004830 384195 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, really < 1442004836 18524 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the thing is, immediate instructions for every arithmetic instruction would be an explosion of opcodes < 1442004846 147435 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know < 1442004849 502368 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But then again < 1442004851 359701 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the normal way this is handled in a machine code is with a prefix that means "immediate", or by setting some bits that mean "immediate" < 1442004871 888695 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have 65,536 opcode slots available xD < 1442004872 894383 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the case of the asm you're writing, you can do a prefix pretty easily just by doing an immediate load into a register < 1442004888 9363 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, in that case, use some of your high bits for things like "immediate" < 1442004888 587810 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know < 1442004898 122266 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might do that < 1442004901 405402 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or "indirect memory access" (that's one you're missing, I think, and have no way to replicate) < 1442004919 909123 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh < 1442004925 521675 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought MOV would allow me to do that < 1442004928 82970 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose not < 1442004950 602899 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :MOV moves the value at reg args[1] to reg args[0] < 1442004961 827800 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or "16-bit 16-bit 16-bit 16-bit 16-bit indirect plus the same address plus zero" < 1442005041 719108 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh? < 1442005098 848946 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :genuine data access mode output by gcc < 1442005111 535817 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1442005131 575444 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the encoding of the entire command 66 66 66 66 66 2e 0f 1f 84 00 00 00 00 00, which is not surprising as it's such a complex access mode < 1442005143 710468 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this might also give you a clue as to /why/ gcc did that < 1442005184 457351 :sc00fy!~scoofy@89.135.80.2 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1442005236 412728 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44136&oldid=44058 5* 03100.1.142.136 5* (+19) 10 < 1442005266 974918 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :GTG < 1442005270 79631 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Will be back in a bit < 1442005278 574791 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the biggest clue is probably the redundant "16-bit" prefixes) < 1442005522 777459 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1442005528 252210 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07!!SuperPrime14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=44137 5* 03100.1.142.136 5* (+119) 10Created page with "!!SuperPrime is a language that is a low byte prime checker. The only command is An implementation in Pyth >2lPQ" < 1442005581 24831 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07!!SuperPrime14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44138&oldid=44137 5* 03100.1.142.136 5* (+21) 10 < 1442005722 602190 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( Is somebody testing their esolang generator? ) < 1442006383 369953 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1442006606 74944 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phew. First modernized piece of plottery from the move of old /egostats to the new thing: http://zem.fi/bfjoust/vis/prog_heat_position/ < 1442006618 181214 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Might be pretty broken.) < 1442006627 51755 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But also more functionality than before.) < 1442006732 436484 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks < 1442006755 997209 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: hmm, it now has a dependency on cloudflare that it didn't before < 1442006760 794573 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't mind, just a little surprised < 1442006856 1389 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yet again, margins clearly looks different from anything else < 1442006946 316180 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I picked d3 from the CDN since I'm still prototyping. Might just host the copy locally. < 1442006965 199444 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clicking the rows switches to a "single tape length across each opponent" view. < 1442006994 207031 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1442006997 309847 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm back < 1442007023 242832 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Added some instructions on the plot page.) < 1442007033 20230 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :plot page? < 1442007068 696299 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: I've been modernizing the zemhill visualizations, at http://zem.fi/bfjoust/vis/prog_heat_position/ < 1442007083 96710 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or scratch the plural, since there's still only one. < 1442007083 850949 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1442007205 139295 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-64-77.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in < 1442007432 463403 :kallisti!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone know how those checkbox captchas work? < 1442007471 736221 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: most random-attack spambots leave checkboxes alone; some check every checkbox or uncheck every checkbox < 1442007479 685691 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so a good checkbox captcha will work against random attacks < 1442007487 426960 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously it's useless against someone who's attacking your site specifically < 1442007490 301772 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or is this about the reCAPTCHA single-checkbox check? < 1442007545 906363 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that one officially works based on "signals". < 1442007598 21188 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: FR: date the program was added to the hill, on the scores page < 1442007654 144869 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just a meaningless checkbox and they're only serving that kind of captcha to users that are very likely humans < 1442007656 278621 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would that be the last-modified date, or original-add-by-that-name? I guess the former. < 1442007672 701050 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I thought about that too, the former is probably the case < 1442007674 863401 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: According to the official explanation, they do use the checkbox click too. < 1442007691 238207 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I keep getting captchas that are like "select all the pickup trucks" < 1442007699 284687 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: That's the mobile version, I think. < 1442007713 501780 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like the checkbox captchas < 1442007715 416434 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I did get it on an actual computer, I think < 1442007719 564136 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I liked helping with OCR < 1442007732 982206 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's not to like in them? < 1442007745 566632 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: They could add a "I'm not a robot, but I'd like to OCR some text" link. < 1442007745 744482 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the current batch of OCR CAPTCHAs, I can't solve even as a human < 1442007750 587538 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The lack of help for scanning books < 1442007764 945190 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I know xD < 1442007766 789748 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually suspect that even correct answers are being rejected, with JS off < 1442007767 565298 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :they scanned them all already < 1442007773 672054 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes, they actually ran out of books to scan < 1442007785 592207 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh xD < 1442007793 545316 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've also heard people complain about the street view house number thing. < 1442007799 572634 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That it's selfish &c. < 1442007804 284549 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :17% battery on my laptop < 1442007825 508099 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 hour remaining!? < 1442007892 890762 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought of a new form of internet protest < 1442007903 418498 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :SpamBot captcha solving < 1442007974 424561 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :You select a site you don't like < 1442007980 391691 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Start solving captchas < 1442007994 552848 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And spambots that are created via those captchas go fucking berserk on that website < 1442008008 11180 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that the whole reason they invented captchas? < 1442008014 528062 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :to prevent this attack? < 1442008033 660331 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: Yes, but a human solves that captcha < 1442008050 629087 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's how you protest < 1442008075 32026 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Get it? < 1442008080 214483 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Virgolang: I'm on, BTW < 1442008086 162347 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1442008097 461495 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://musicmachinery.com/2009/04/27/moot-wins-time-inc-loses/ < 1442008101 165132 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: ^ < 1442008117 391190 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am rewriting the virgobeta < 1442008123 613243 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :from top to bottom < 1442008130 699469 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :already been done and of course it's stupid because humans are expensive < 1442008141 343245 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ same < 1442008153 554588 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Virgolang: Instead of BetaScript, why not just create a Python API? < 1442008167 232726 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :python api i am making < 1442008173 281358 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Great < 1442008181 831951 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :it uses callbacks < 1442008196 398129 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooooh < 1442008237 762923 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :each event has 1 field, 1 register and 1 running function. < 1442008251 523821 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh? < 1442008263 992519 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :self.OnJoin = None < 1442008264 790877 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make sure it gets everything from a plugins folder < 1442008268 275635 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1442008275 801754 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :how we can do it? < 1442008288 14465 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can we discuss this in, like, 30 minutes? < 1442008292 475819 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have school going on right now < 1442008294 521110 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1442008304 395923 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1442008306 954687 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :at 12:51 AM? < 1442008311 793883 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure < 1442008324 646286 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :at midnight?! < 1442008329 511222 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg < 1442008338 63877 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or not < 1442008340 446100 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Either way < 1442008347 671424 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I live in Alaska xD < 1442008357 494178 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :other side of earth < 1442008361 608922 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep < 1442008370 312811 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's almost 2 for me < 1442008374 212023 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:00 < 1442008382 482938 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:52 < 1442008386 488334 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1442008393 903865 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:53, to be exact < 1442008416 147539 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eastish Europe then, I presume < 1442008423 274323 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1442008426 173462 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :eet < 1442008445 484302 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or westish asia < 1442008452 254475 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1442008463 987780 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :You live in Turkey, right? < 1442008468 936320 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1442008471 175791 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1442008479 844555 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could've sworn part of Turkey was in asia... < 1442008509 390278 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh < 1442008512 507602 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :??? < 1442008512 685276 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wiki says it is < 1442008520 164322 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03DinoD123 5* 10New user account < 1442008527 57929 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh < 1442008537 45542 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It says most of Turkey is in Western Asia < 1442008563 381868 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :5 more minutes till I get to leave... < 1442008669 404979 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have to get off now < 1442008673 582993 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll be back in a bit < 1442008683 803760 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll see if you're still on when I get home < 1442008759 810348 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not so possible. < 1442008932 261600 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: I think you should include the document of how the instructions encoding is working? < 1442008935 538707 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1442009411 179562 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1442009427 841521 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1442009460 731594 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1442009675 423814 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1442009684 383676 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1442009791 212276 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Achievement unlocked: be in a supermarket as it closes < 1442009842 783428 :darkl0ck!~v1rtuehea@TOROON2634W-LP140-02-2925477401.dsl.bell.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1442009846 956568 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gz < 1442009876 864922 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I needed milk) < 1442010006 511001 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1442010508 138639 :darkl0ck!~v1rtuehea@TOROON2634W-LP140-02-2925477401.dsl.bell.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1442010549 662233 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: as in, you were kicked out, or they didn't notice you? < 1442010567 898311 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, they were quite friendly < 1442010568 131236 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :computer science courses that don't exist, but should: http://prog21.dadgum.com/210.html < 1442010578 642872 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, I bought my milk, left, and they closed the door behind me < 1442010611 939042 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah that happens to me regularly. except without the milk. < 1442010639 210130 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1442010641 965936 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Got there at 22:58, left at 23:01 < 1442010653 552555 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey same opening hours too < 1442010739 711362 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for condoms? < 1442010776 790542 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in other news, the strange alarm i complained about yesterday came from my own apartment's stove top tdh except i could have figured it out _before_ i'd slept uneasily for 3 hours. < 1442010809 435306 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION then got up and got the idea of testing with the circuit breakers < 1442010863 279987 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1442010869 865477 :darkl0ck!~v1rtuehea@TOROON2634W-LP140-02-2925477401.dsl.bell.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1442010907 598574 :darkl0ck!~v1rtuehea@TOROON2634W-LP140-02-2925477401.dsl.bell.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1442010935 720320 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm back again < 1442010937 585371 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Virgolang: < 1442010942 851154 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1442011186 539455 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have officially contributed to Idris < 1442011323 866505 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1442011356 677433 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made a function into an instance of Uninhabited < 1442011661 915006 :Virgolang_!~Virgolang@94.123.200.13 JOIN :#esoteric < 1442011710 892551 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: You should describe how is instruction encodings for your instruction set? < 1442011830 382208 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1442011830 562488 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:48 <@DarwinElf> anyone become a monad yet? < 1442011844 417012 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(efnet #esoteric) < 1442011887 525160 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Maybe < 1442011986 930071 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, I am a monad < 1442011992 958721 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I travel around with no permanent home < 1442012002 809272 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is strange question. < 1442012033 140688 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or is that a nomad? < 1442012061 239347 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that is nomad? I don't know < 1442012076 16086 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have the dictionary I can look in dictioary. < 1442012152 412800 :ProofTechnique!~Ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1442012166 357422 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nomad is a person who choose to roam, member of people without a fixed location, wandering from place to place < 1442012200 261043 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes that was the joke I was making < 1442012347 761110 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I should get around to that < 1442012348 823957 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait < 1442012355 168269 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's described in fileformat.txt < 1442012370 951833 :Virgolang_!~Virgolang@94.123.200.13 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1442012375 474735 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I used to think "frankly" meant "Franklin" tdnh < 1442012378 494149 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/I/i/ < 1442012407 861826 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!? < 1442012408 220595 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :How exciting! < 1442012427 839395 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Agreed, EgoBot < 1442012433 138636 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Agreed < 1442012540 826366 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :franklin, my dear, i don't give a damn < 1442012551 770808 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it was from that phrase exactly < 1442012558 657831 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: there was this garfield comic strip < 1442012568 120518 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's-his-name was looking at the mirror and saying that < 1442012573 156623 :edwardk!sid47016@haskell/developer/edwardk QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1442012576 792537 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you know where that phrase is from twh < 1442012583 81917 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :and garfield said that mustaches make people think they're people they think they're not < 1442012601 596357 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i thought what's-his-name thought he was franklin < 1442012619 166602 :ocharles__!sid30093@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-viyvnmblnaywpszs QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1442012640 25388 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ic < 1442012653 88793 :yorick_!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1442012654 361077 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :benjamin frankly < 1442012672 42386 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway apparently it's from a film called gone with the wind which i haven't seen but i think i've looked it up before < 1442012716 992248 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell ais523 Added date-tracking and output in the JSON report (7-line patch), but now I can't recall how to run this locally to test it. Will try to get to it later. < 1442012717 170189 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1442012744 947090 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1442012756 167766 :ocharles__!sid30093@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ennwxjqnvznhvhqc JOIN :#esoteric < 1442012767 983396 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION doesn't remember seeing it either, but the quote is too famous < 1442012788 773331 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1442012815 816911 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And here was me thinking it was from one of the earlier Carry On films < 1442013047 317132 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm not sure i've heard of those before < 1442013072 336320 :edwardk!sid47016@haskell/developer/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1442013139 883341 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, British films, bawdy is the appropriate adjective < 1442013148 679570 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did just look it up < 1442013167 870950 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION now looks up "bawdy" just to be sure < 1442013187 686284 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty much what i thought < 1442013439 67212 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Virgo14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44139&oldid=44134 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (-1) 10/* What is the current process? */ Combined a link into a word < 1442013496 200602 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a job interview on wednesday < 1442013506 539809 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you help me to prepare for it? < 1442013519 482194 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe suggest some coding problem to solve < 1442013525 750401 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno < 1442013741 915459 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where is your job interview, izabera ? < 1442013752 375451 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :london @ $bigcompany < 1442013775 629174 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1442013790 893909 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a secret <.< < 1442013798 66348 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fair enough :) < 1442013810 593991 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I could ever work in London < 1442013820 137119 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cities that big kind of scare me, you know? < 1442013827 339234 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the scary part? < 1442013830 505739 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :York's the biggest place I've lived since I was 4 < 1442013851 385769 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's just, like, so much < 1442013856 64091 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't London in the same landmass as York? < 1442013866 594912 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet, yes, that is the case < 1442013873 687238 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :However they are a few hundred miles apart < 1442013933 688378 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And London has about 130 times as many people as York I think < 1442014084 792557 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you know London was the second city in the world to ever grow beyond 1 million inhabitants hth < 1442014133 25795 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the first? < 1442014136 191359 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :beijing? < 1442014148 688466 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1442014195 594613 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what is it? < 1442014213 735924 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :rome < 1442014257 275955 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it rose, then fell again, a thousand years before the rest < 1442014279 11326 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks biased < 1442014279 307821 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did know that! < 1442014293 267721 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay! < 1442014314 839548 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that greatly increases the chance i am not spreading nonsense < 1442014330 895668 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera, the roman empire was a ridiculous over-centralized crazy thing that probably didn't make much sense to exist < 1442014340 519032 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah there's the wikipedia list < 1442014342 437641 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :how much do we know about delhi or beijing in those years? < 1442014353 773502 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :A surprising amount, I believe < 1442014354 793854 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well beijing wasn't even _founded_ < 1442014356 373432 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :we == humans < 1442014358 648111 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, not me personally < 1442014361 392906 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1442014365 984328 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it new? < 1442014375 459738 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know like nothing about non-European history really < 1442014377 481800 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno shit about geography < 1442014385 187501 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :not to mention historic geography < 1442014399 887697 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well maybe not entirely new, but it was only in relatively modern times it became the capital < 1442014449 337787 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shanghai apparently has a similar story < 1442014486 416345 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :London was the centre of the industrial revolution, which I believe was a Big Thing < 1442014499 702356 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And really was what let large cities exist < 1442014523 806886 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, in an economically sustainable manner < 1442014530 499220 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i'll have to say that by this wikipedia list this is rather disputed < 1442014622 716687 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok not very supported at all. _every_ source listed has beijing before london < 1442014634 478370 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :In 1980 Shenzhen had a population of ~30,000. < 1442014645 291169 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nowadays ~12 million. < 1442014665 264865 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :p. good imo < 1442014675 741042 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shenzhen did get some really good help < 1442014692 475533 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :special economic area, or something < 1442014692 653308 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1442014712 665322 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i read about it in a capitalism propaganda book < 1442014725 607339 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was p. interesting < 1442014758 862238 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :currently on an airplane, will lose connection in a few minutes < 1442015149 829093 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wEEEEkeeeend! < 1442015184 775004 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least the sources agree that london was the first city above 2 million (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_cities_throughout_history) < 1442015199 317037 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to build a computer modeled after an Oracle Machine < 1442015201 743873 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1442015238 894734 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want a computer modeled after the oracle of delphi as depicted in the movie 300 < 1442015246 531532 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :make a quantum computer and you'll have a BQP oracle hth < 1442015307 80306 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, new york first above 10 and tokyo first above 20 < 1442015350 902889 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but those are all relatively modern, of course < 1442015370 203895 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the city with highest population denisty < 1442015387 739627 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/nis/nsi/ < 1442015418 176913 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :constantinople was no. 1 in between there without reaching a million < 1442015433 557247 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also thebes, babylon < 1442015469 903439 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually,better question: of all square kilometres of the earth's surface, which square contains the most humans < 1442015491 291326 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :india? < 1442015519 935418 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, no < 1442015521 488315 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1442015529 671039 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if dbpedia were bigger ... < 1442015556 664192 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren_: wikipedia has a population density list for capitals only https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_national_capitals_by_population < 1442015581 865645 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait that's a redirect < 1442015588 754305 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :which square is the most deadly? < 1442015631 948169 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :they made it a redirect and the target page doesn't contain the information < 1442015639 207695 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :the score of each square is the amount of people that died there since 2000 b.c. < 1442015949 351517 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is the last version of the page with actual density https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_national_capitals_by_population_density&oldid=436304527 < 1442015996 235111 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :dhaka on top with 45508 / km^2 < 1442016141 138399 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's still like 20 square metres for everyone. < 1442016156 412178 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugh < 1442016162 537498 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :People don't deserve /space/ < 1442016166 641893 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway my fear of big cities is less about their density and more about the idea that you can start walking not see countryside for ages < 1442016189 434745 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even here in York I live like 10 minutes away from some form of farm < 1442016195 352329 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to test something. Stand by for a single message consisting entirely of 'w's < 1442016204 863712 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww < 1442016205 52853 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww < 1442016213 790317 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interesting < 1442016219 478164 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :wuh < 1442016225 487047 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: FAIL < 1442016229 913131 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was split into two messages < 1442016239 11420 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :good < 1442016241 98143 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh? < 1442016242 627171 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: My temporary apartment was within sight of the Vauxhall City Farm. < 1442016247 956327 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's a CTCP VERSION? < 1442016248 133883 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-alfyqgnwaplbeevj JOIN :#esoteric < 1442016259 447009 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: it asks you what your irc client is < 1442016262 845459 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1442016267 797152 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, that hardly counts < 1442016271 419602 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could'a just asked < 1442016275 857685 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: They say it's countryside. < 1442016278 989076 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: "Vauxhall City Farm is a little piece of the countryside in central London." < 1442016292 85687 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i use irssi, which has a script you can enable for splitting. beats getting lines cut off. < 1442016298 376715 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: You get "all the sights, sounds and smells of rural life". < 1442016345 998859 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there real farms inside M25? < 1442016396 818125 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there are. < 1442016459 841529 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: York would be the fifth biggest city in Finland by population, if it were in Finland. < 1442016473 66131 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And counting #1, #2 and #4 separately is a lie.) < 1442016485 592926 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I can name maybe 2 cities in Finland < 1442016492 117251 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which I think is more than most people I know < 1442016557 170237 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: The UK notion of "countryside" must be very different from the US notion. :) < 1442016588 279596 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really know the UK notion, but I know there's multiple FI notions depending on who you ask. < 1442016631 35329 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would take about 12 hours I think to cross London from the M25 to the M25 through the centre < 1442016639 205999 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Could'a just asked <-- oh come on, i'm a nerd, i don't speak to people if i can ask a machine instead (cue for someone pasting counterexample) < 1442016640 717232 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :For York and the A64, it'd take about 2 < 1442016657 947727 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, of course < 1442016668 361657 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I fungot that we're all nerds here xD < 1442016668 593917 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: implement a solution to the problem from a much fnord style of channel for a while < 1442016723 902238 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melbourne I find terrifying and I have lived there < 1442016765 912857 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1442016800 173866 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the greater Helsinki area, it would take about 3 and a half hours for "Ring I", and 8 hours for "Ring III", although they're all just semicircles thanks to the coast. < 1442016807 690793 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(There is no Ring II.) < 1442016835 574433 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, there's a little bit of it, but it's mostly just a straight segment. < 1442016848 308362 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i assume Helsinki and Espoo are two of the three, but which is the last one? < 1442016859 383034 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Vantaa, which is #4. < 1442016906 465050 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(See: the former Helsinki-Vantaa airport, nowadays only Helsinki Airport, because it's just confusing to mention Vantaa.) < 1442016969 369845 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the Wikipedia infobox title is truthful, it still has both cities in the Finnish and Swedish names, and they only dropped it from the English one. < 1442016990 563391 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The closest civilian airport to York is Leeds-Bradford < 1442017062 22964 :ProofTechnique!~Ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1442017080 828944 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: York would be the third largest city by population in norway, displacing trondheim < 1442017093 610617 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the local place names here, they sound much fancier than ours. < 1442017100 618923 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :This doesn't exactly make it big! < 1442017104 919497 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Bognor Regis", especially. < 1442017105 97075 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, where are you? < 1442017107 972319 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1442017109 345041 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In London. < 1442017124 336695 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I hear Bognor Regis as a final train destination at Victoria Station quite often. < 1442017144 194919 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're like a single train ride from York! < 1442017197 516279 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :We're going to Blackpool and Liverpool soonishly to meet with my wife's mother. That's up there about a Yorkish distance away, although with a slightly different direction. < 1442017224 678941 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is also a single train ride from York < 1442017293 141077 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bognor regis sounds like a harry potter spell < 1442017338 139581 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's also a place that I hear as Hexham in the announcements, but which probably isn't Hexham. < 1442017347 165272 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it wouldn't be < 1442017351 12176 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wrexham, maybe? < 1442017366 989775 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you can get to Hexham from Carlisle, Newcaste, Glasgow, and I think Middlesborough) < 1442017391 537581 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Middlesborough sounds very average < 1442017409 723287 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to find a list of trains from Victoria, but the live departure boards aren't very useful at this time of day. < 1442017417 144052 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly, it's called that because it was founded at the midpoint between two monastaries < 1442017427 576723 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, makes sense < 1442017477 981389 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, Wikipedia. < 1442017503 660677 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Middlesbrough Priory was a priory in Middlesbrough" < 1442017517 324225 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's Epsom, maybe I could be mishearing that in the noisy hall. < 1442017519 650397 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is pretty much all the article on Middlesbrough priory says < 1442017527 977942 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could be < 1442017545 503601 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's also a train to Crystal Palace, which is another impressive-sounding name. < 1442017604 572121 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And to Dorking, which I'd assume people make bad jokes about. < 1442017629 3317 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Crystal Palace was a building built for a World's Fair, iirc < 1442017639 14805 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It burnt down at some point, something is telling me 1913 < 1442017652 228681 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And to Reading, with its unexpected pronunciation, from Clapham Junction. < 1442017654 352472 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :1936, I had the wrong world war < 1442017661 161988 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume that Middlesex is home to people of average gender. < 1442017680 3156 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :You would be correct < 1442017926 307945 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I will go to bed now < 1442017964 307919 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goodnight < 1442018052 368080 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds like a good idea. < 1442018146 602843 :Bjarne_!b8df4b0d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.223.75.13 JOIN :#esoteric < 1442018153 775868 :Bjarne_!b8df4b0d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.223.75.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1442018177 902714 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome Bjarne_ < 1442018182 503731 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​09Bjarne_: 02Welcome 06to 13the 04international 07hub 08for 09esoteric 02programming 06language 13design 04and 07deployment! 08For 09more 02information, 06check 13out 04our 07wiki: 08. 09(For 02the 06other 13kind 04of 07esoterica, 08try 09#esoteric 02on 06EFnet 13or 04DALnet.) < 1442018262 383953 :Bjarne_!b8df4b0d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.223.75.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, does anything actually happen in here? < 1442018281 980341 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sporadically. < 1442018295 948647 :Bjarne_!b8df4b0d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.223.75.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1442018304 581243 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I guess mostly off-topic things? < 1442018316 872733 :Bjarne_!b8df4b0d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.223.75.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1442018336 329141 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you actually joined just as one of the main talkers went to bed < 1442018343 278433 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd still claim the odds of esolangery happening are above the natural background levels. < 1442018349 732657 :Bjarne_!b8df4b0d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.223.75.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, well that's kinda funny. < 1442018370 333261 :Bjarne_!b8df4b0d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.223.75.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I enjoy esolangery, occasionally. < 1442018380 916610 :Bjarne_!b8df4b0d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.223.75.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haven't built a language in a while though. < 1442018466 143443 :Bjarne_!b8df4b0d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.223.75.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If- I remember, the last language I built was something stack-based. < 1442018502 417341 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :As for "does anything actually happen", we do have hard data on that: http://zem.fi/ircvis/esoteric/ < 1442018555 954565 :Bjarne_!b8df4b0d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.223.75.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I see that the peak of activity was in early 2012. < 1442018586 682483 :Bjarne_!b8df4b0d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.223.75.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, so this place has been around since 2003? < 1442018593 90655 :mihow!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1442018618 627010 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Late 2002, yes. < 1442018626 570001 :Bjarne_!b8df4b0d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.223.75.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice < 1442018657 177703 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :01:44 -ChanServ(ChanServ@services.)- Registered : Jan 03 01:30:22 2003 (12y 36w 2d ago) < 1442018696 808746 :Bjarne_!b8df4b0d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.223.75.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. Do @ ping notifications work here? < 1442018710 123988 :Bjarne_!b8df4b0d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.223.75.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I come from a world of Stack Exchange chat, so that's what I'm used to. < 1442018755 284148 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Normally people say "target: Foo." if they're talking to someone who's currently online, or use lambdabot's "@tell target Something." feature if they're not. < 1442018778 862903 :Bjarne_!b8df4b0d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.223.75.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, thanks. < 1442018784 595761 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Most clients highlight the first form, and the second one will cause lambdabot to bother them later.) < 1442018816 656782 :Bjarne_!b8df4b0d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.223.75.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks. I'm very new to IRC < 1442018907 19473 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact lambdabot is a main reason for _not_ using @nick style here < 1442018920 141719 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@Bjarne_ <-- demonstration < 1442018920 322893 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1442018932 347768 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ ping < 1442018940 338732 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :as defense, i think lambdabot is older than both SO and twitter < 1442018942 588482 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ping < 1442018942 767744 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1442018954 651618 :Bjarne_!b8df4b0d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.223.75.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Combined? < 1442018961 78044 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um... < 1442018968 399423 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hey, there's a new person! < 1442018976 280743 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll have to look it up but lambdabot was 10 years just the other week < 1442019008 841969 :Bjarne_!b8df4b0d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.223.75.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice < 1442019043 424543 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Wikipedia's "Comparison of Internet Relay Chat bots" (a) doesn't contain fungot, but (b) lists "?" as lambdabot's "First public release - date". < 1442019043 602078 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: so i guess < 1442019056 345032 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: So you guess you should go and edit the page? < 1442019056 625673 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: it runs through all of them? with two ports on the mainboard? :s < 1442019061 527601 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I probably shouldn't get too used to using 3 laptops at once < 1442019070 315679 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh not combined. and twitter is older than i thought, but still not quite as old as lambdabot. < 1442019079 788651 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: wouldn't fungot editing the page violate WP:NPOV? < 1442019080 165569 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: i love when " faq" doesn't mean " cleaner", somehow, in what system, and in perl do something like < 1442019084 974280 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and also be a terrible idea in general) < 1442019097 153644 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style wp < 1442019097 373465 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: wp (1/256th of all Wikipedia "Talk:" namespace pages) < 1442019103 98728 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Talk Wikipedia to me. < 1442019103 853653 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: forbidding polish language is more appropriate, or at least present a scientifically evident reason for this is the same as ' ' cavalrymen" were frequently fnord in ancient wars. the timeline had just grown too long, so it fnord past the network censors. in popular use, ", because it isn't neutral because of the passage of time. < 1442019121 713906 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: Yeah, seems that it isn't neutral. < 1442019127 516860 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But we could still forbid Polish. < 1442019133 758785 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: well i'm going by lambdabot's registration date < 1442019134 254983 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot wp seems heavy on fnord. < 1442019134 723192 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: ok, i can assure you that all the language material should be somewhere. what do the rest of them are fnord/ fte, or larger than fnord fnord ( user fnord) 20:32, 29 december 2007 ( utc) < 1442019136 716665 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems legit. < 1442019149 808098 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: Bad data preprocessing, mostly. < 1442019175 656160 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, and maybe bad training parameters too, but things like signatures really should've been cleaned up. < 1442019194 486033 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes it's better to look things up in an appropriate book on openlibrary < 1442019208 116580 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :than on wikipedia < 1442019250 644647 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07!!SuperPrime14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44140&oldid=44138 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (+102) 10 < 1442019339 788052 :Bjarne_!b8df4b0d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.223.75.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh? < 1442019342 623045 :Bjarne_!b8df4b0d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.223.75.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's that? < 1442019372 452560 :Bjarne_!b8df4b0d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.223.75.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nvm < 1442019392 151741 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hackego anounces whenver someone changes the wiki < 1442019416 849124 :Bjarne_!b8df4b0d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.223.75.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now that's really helpful. < 1442019421 357029 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i think forbidding polish language might be historically insensitive hth < 1442019510 376349 :Bjarne_!b8df4b0d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.223.75.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bye bye < 1442019512 620439 :Bjarne_!b8df4b0d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.223.75.13 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1442019566 163255 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Maybe they could get someone else's language as compensation. < 1442019722 516257 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^def < 1442019722 732726 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hai < 1442019728 587017 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now that's cute < 1442019750 86729 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i think the last time, they got either german or russian < 1442019762 828511 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1442019763 100912 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh. (re ^def) < 1442019776 973195 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :saw it in the logs < 1442019785 738137 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, yeah, the builtins are triggered only by the command name and a space. < 1442019796 189914 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1442019799 77091 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, those of them that take an argument. < 1442019801 564956 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^show def < 1442019801 742562 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(hai)S < 1442019804 30149 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ic < 1442019821 352444 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/take/can take/ < 1442019877 433859 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could do the same for ^str, ^bf, ^ul. < 1442019955 472942 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And some owner-only commands, like ^raw, ^code -- those would become user-defined commands that you can only execute without input, because otherwise they'd trigger the builtin, which would just ignore it. < 1442020174 468598 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :^def bf (^bf -- evaluates brainfuck)S < 1442020174 646068 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usage: ^def < 1442020180 705874 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :^def bf bf (^bf -- evaluates brainfuck)S < 1442020180 883484 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Defined. < 1442020183 218431 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf < 1442020189 88090 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm. < 1442020193 550228 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1442020202 631394 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :^def bf ul (^bf -- evaluates brainfuck)S < 1442020202 810050 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Defined. < 1442020205 931934 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf < 1442020206 113174 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf -- evaluates brainfuck < 1442020209 128100 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Handy < 1442020507 859519 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1442020515 78406 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul < 1442020517 672873 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^def ul ul (^ul -- evaluates Underload) < 1442020517 853847 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Defined. < 1442020519 777541 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul < 1442020530 115405 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^def ul ul (^ul -- evaluates Underload)S < 1442020530 294616 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Defined. < 1442020533 453555 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul < 1442020533 634351 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul -- evaluates Underload < 1442020585 793739 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that may have displaced the brainfuck ul interp, but you couldn't use it anyway, and maybe it was already lost. < 1442020607 362890 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : don't interfer with other bots <-- it wasn't eir fault this time, athenabot is just stupid < 1442020618 846100 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And anyway even when you could use it the time limits hardly let you do anything with it. < 1442020620 440572 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how so? < 1442020637 539717 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^save < 1442020637 718839 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK. < 1442020694 324832 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: it reacts to _any_ url, without any prefix. < 1442020708 534026 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i kicked it once before < 1442020712 860357 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is indeed pretty stupid < 1442020755 524333 :bender!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 JOIN :#esoteric < 1442020800 348352 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^show < 1442020800 528433 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo reverb rev rot13 rev2 fib wc ul cho choo pow2 source help hw srmlebac uenlsbcmra scramble unscramble asc ord prefixes tmp test celebrate wiki chr ha rainbow rainbow2 welcome me tell eval elikoski list ping def a thanks tmp2 8ball rreree rerere botsnack bf < 1442020823 505547 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :^rot13 fungot < 1442020823 686674 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shatbg < 1442020830 838319 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1442020833 904154 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mine's better hth < 1442020835 606808 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :still not run out of room < 1442020849 485780 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :did I remember to add my bf interpreter to the wiki? < 1442020863 187016 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't remember whether you did < 1442020896 39588 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Even unusual ones like ? < 1442020898 757793 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the one that works by fucking with the stack in an entirely illegel way) < 1442020915 937029 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: so when does belkar show up to heroically and uncharacteristically sacrifice himself < 1442020916 629564 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: ok the "any" was more for position in the line < 1442020946 964654 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: erm excuse me i haven't read oots yet since i haven't got to that part in the logs my being backlogged keeps escalating < 1442020952 351452 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: that uri scheme irks me hth < 1442020984 966142 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm hoping possessed Durkon is going down soon < 1442020989 212532 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Maybe, but it's quite valid. If not quite standard because there isn't a registered one for IRC-over-SSL, just for plain IRC. < 1442021017 74702 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.orenwatson.be/bfim.htm < 1442021017 566586 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: it was just a pun ok < 1442021041 775069 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :urn:pun-opinion:grumble%20grumble < 1442021070 642502 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :you missed some fun puns in channels you aren't in hth < 1442021425 165044 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, grumble it's the weekend, how food. < 1442021504 899710 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm was that summoned weasel a thing, it somehow rings a bell < 1442021527 45532 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :He did have that bag o' tricks way back < 1442021527 564246 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :bag of tricks hth < 1442021573 119929 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0144.html < 1442021622 283483 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :also e.g. http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0443.html < 1442021636 120098 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Brainfuck implementations14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44141&oldid=43113 5* 03Orenwatson 5* (+247) 10Added mine to list. < 1442021905 465356 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was it < 1442022178 314009 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: hi new person < 1442022267 773601 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they've been around a while, at least the nick looks familiar < 1442022305 632340 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sorry, but they clearly said in the logs that they're new hth < 1442022342 554554 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that means it has to be true, or you could have your cake and eat it too < 1442022343 119895 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am new < 1442022349 92043 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :awwh < 1442022405 865557 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi other new person < 1442022516 274265 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh jeeze, the Indian place I found near here that I quite like has a lunch buffet. < 1442022521 780344 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is dangerous knowledge. < 1442022534 385974 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which place? < 1442022539 678969 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Great India Cuisine. < 1442022546 633002 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Indian < 1442022561 854551 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The name's not much, but so far I've been quite pleased. < 1442022589 69782 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you kidding? The name's great! < 1442022600 822778 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1442022612 496085 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, well, my impression is the name is accurate, so. < 1442022655 647637 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Did you have any mules today? < 1442022657 147270 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1442022658 617330 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1442022674 803543 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I heard there was a thing. < 1442022685 599944 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe there was, but I missed it. < 1442022711 346159 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had a Finnish mule. < 1442023575 450252 :mihow!~mihow@c-71-59-250-137.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1442024377 468514 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1442024518 28460 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interesting. < 1442024582 256144 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jeff Atwood aka CodingHorror got fed up with the people on theDailyWtf criticizing and filing bugs to his forum software, discourse. < 1442024624 296829 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :He proceeded to ban everyone from TheDailyWtf from posting on the Meta.d discourse forum < 1442024660 522088 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so now TheDailyWtf is deciding what forum doftwre to migrate to < 1442024743 235643 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had no idea there were so many people who take insults to their code personally < 1442024758 921683 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1442024821 642179 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://what.thedailywtf.com/t/how-can-this-be-so-wrong/51117 <-- record of the drama < 1442025450 657402 :mihow!~mihow@c-71-59-250-137.hsd1.or.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1442026107 496166 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1442026273 821390 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1442026394 965447 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-alfyqgnwaplbeevj QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1442027058 209441 :Thisbe!~Thisbe@2602:306:37f7:cac0:a5:6f4e:d3:9669 JOIN :#esoteric < 1442027387 75763 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Quit: Sleep < 1442028544 949000 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Quit: *bubbles away* < 1442028906 519625 :Thisbe!~Thisbe@2602:306:37f7:cac0:a5:6f4e:d3:9669 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1442029440 462447 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH JOIN :#esoteric < 1442029666 92591 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1442030703 670282 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-14-112.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1442030704 401322 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1442030745 700841 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-14-112.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1442030745 879280 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1442030787 884850 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1442031115 86691 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The other player have filled up their character sheets now, one aasimar and one drow; the player of the drow character wrote "Classified" as the alignment < 1442032670 116569 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1442032988 754718 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1442033134 192037 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like any of those URI schemes for IRC though < 1442033196 428414 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should be or whatever host/port/channel/etc; the channel name is not a fragment identifier and you may want to point to stuff other than channels too < 1442033235 811826 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: irc://irc.freenode.net:6666/esoteric is valid, as is irc://irc.freenode.net:6666/zzo38,isnick < 1442033289 817812 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1442033361 412350 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Quit: *bubbles away* < 1442033414 803832 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The first one doesn't specify the channel prefix either, and there are other problems. Also some program seem to use it inconsistently; I have seen some places where the scheme is used that have the # and some that don't < 1442033484 501489 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't like that syntax for nicknames either) < 1442033520 443433 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1442033550 402249 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1442033874 202428 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Quit: *bubbles away* < 1442033901 240679 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :in freenode / can be part of a channel's name < 1442033922 623846 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, you should percent-encode it then, in my opinion, if making up the URI. < 1442033932 418623 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Percentage signs also need to be percent-encoded) < 1442033968 403893 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1442033972 968085 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe it's also valid to percent encode it. < 1442033987 156310 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Percent encoding is a part of the generic URI syntax, at least. < 1442034025 344188 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: The scheme specifies that if you don't specify a channel prefix you assume #. < 1442034037 565695 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Otherwise, I agree, the syntax does use URI pretty poorly. < 1442034063 607964 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :irc://irc.freenode.net/channel/%23esoteric feels more... correct. < 1442034070 759986 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I agree < 1442034134 586924 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should be irc://[username[:password]@][host[:port]]/[path][?parameter][#part] like normal URI should be < 1442034141 855174 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you want/need the /channel part? < 1442034151 286052 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes you should < 1442034164 497664 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :To distinguish between the server and an individual user on the server. < 1442034167 351189 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I used /join/ instead of /channel/ but that's another way) < 1442034178 565064 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yes, or help files or other stuff < 1442034198 166551 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :irc://irc.freenode.net/nick/zzo38?msg=Oh%20hai or some such < 1442034225 711720 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :starting with %23 would be enough to distinguish a chan from a user < 1442034285 4061 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: Yes, if it started with the encoded # or & or + or ! that means a channel and otherwise a nickname is one way, but it doesn't help in case you want to refer to help file and so on as well, I believe < 1442034329 572193 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arguably in the protocol you could have a prefixless channel. < 1442034336 197652 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The prefixes are just a convention. < 1442034348 161226 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though that'd collide with users. < 1442034369 842685 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(as one PRIVMSGs both channels and users) < 1442034462 989437 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :help file? < 1442034505 94743 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are help files on the server too, for many commands as well as to list what mode flags it accepts < 1442034537 24867 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(For example HELP UMODE lists the possible modes you can set on yourself) < 1442037421 619446 :sc00fy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1442037979 816108 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1442038860 430788 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What level(s) and/or other suggestion/complaints to make this spell? http://zzo38computer.org/dnd/spell/magic_ink < 1442038950 177717 :Walpurgisnacht!~ah@2601:603:800:30e0:7ad6:f0ff:fed1:8cac JOIN :#esoteric < 1442038990 543754 :Walpurgisnacht!~ah@2601:603:800:30e0:7ad6:f0ff:fed1:8cac PRIVMSG #esoteric :squaring for lambda is just ^ right or did it change < 1442039042 790473 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you please be more specific? < 1442039173 215454 :Walpurgisnacht!~ah@2601:603:800:30e0:7ad6:f0ff:fed1:8cac PRIVMSG #esoteric :^2 < 1442039176 615210 :Walpurgisnacht!~ah@2601:603:800:30e0:7ad6:f0ff:fed1:8cac PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh < 1442039187 720647 :Walpurgisnacht!~ah@2601:603:800:30e0:7ad6:f0ff:fed1:8cac PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 2^3/4+1 < 1442039190 358948 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 3.0 < 1442039196 508666 :Walpurgisnacht!~ah@2601:603:800:30e0:7ad6:f0ff:fed1:8cac PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks m8 < 1442039319 86932 :Walpurgisnacht!~ah@2601:603:800:30e0:7ad6:f0ff:fed1:8cac PRIVMSG #esoteric :> {34,67,80}/7^(3)+8 < 1442039320 508173 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : :1:1: parse error on input ‘{’ < 1442039355 450233 :Walpurgisnacht!~ah@2601:603:800:30e0:7ad6:f0ff:fed1:8cac PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubted it could to the calculator brackets < 1442039357 619921 :Walpurgisnacht!~ah@2601:603:800:30e0:7ad6:f0ff:fed1:8cac PRIVMSG #esoteric :uwu < 1442039384 740990 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is Haskell; for lists you need square brackets, although I don't think you can divide a list by a number anyways. < 1442039412 996527 :Walpurgisnacht!~ah@2601:603:800:30e0:7ad6:f0ff:fed1:8cac PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah I think so < 1442039441 617073 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fmap (\x -> x/7^(3)+8) [34,67,80] < 1442039443 245529 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : [8.099125364431487,8.19533527696793,8.2332361516035] < 1442039452 36465 :Walpurgisnacht!~ah@2601:603:800:30e0:7ad6:f0ff:fed1:8cac PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah < 1442039477 486491 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [34,67,80]/7^(3)+8 < 1442039479 318190 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (Show t0) < 1442039479 496145 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from a use of ‘show_M544953426060485496931545’ < 1442039479 496230 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : The type variable ‘t0’ is ambiguous < 1442039519 126545 :Walpurgisnacht!~ah@2601:603:800:30e0:7ad6:f0ff:fed1:8cac PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [34,67,80]/7^3+8 < 1442039520 804172 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (Show t0) < 1442039520 990135 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from a use of ‘show_M207693433857803641131569’ < 1442039520 990202 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : The type variable ‘t0’ is ambiguous < 1442039531 334296 :Walpurgisnacht!~ah@2601:603:800:30e0:7ad6:f0ff:fed1:8cac PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ill try that with something later < 1442039546 47824 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's wrong; you need to use fmap or other stuff like that. < 1442039559 979411 :Walpurgisnacht!~ah@2601:603:800:30e0:7ad6:f0ff:fed1:8cac PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1442039574 464883 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What answer are you expecting? < 1442039609 927647 :Walpurgisnacht!~ah@2601:603:800:30e0:7ad6:f0ff:fed1:8cac PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ 67 , 0 ] 8 < 1442039610 609503 :j-bot!~j-bot@li1285-84.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Walpurgisnacht: 67 8 < 1442039734 996940 :Walpurgisnacht!~ah@2601:603:800:30e0:7ad6:f0ff:fed1:8cac PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks j-bot < 1442039770 292114 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that what you want it to do? < 1442039829 247591 :Walpurgisnacht!~ah@2601:603:800:30e0:7ad6:f0ff:fed1:8cac PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1442039855 594002 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know Haskell programming? < 1442039881 641172 :Walpurgisnacht!~ah@2601:603:800:30e0:7ad6:f0ff:fed1:8cac PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wasn't doing haskell < 1442039905 174569 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lambdabot is doing Haskell though < 1442039953 715007 :Walpurgisnacht!~ah@2601:603:800:30e0:7ad6:f0ff:fed1:8cac PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION half heartedly shakes fist at lambdabot < 1442039958 290375 :Walpurgisnacht!~ah@2601:603:800:30e0:7ad6:f0ff:fed1:8cac PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah I see now < 1442039980 933710 :Walpurgisnacht!~ah@2601:603:800:30e0:7ad6:f0ff:fed1:8cac PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just seperating some stacks and I needed the precise number close to [ 67 , 0 ] 8 but I didn't know if I was getting it right < 1442040002 703350 :Walpurgisnacht!~ah@2601:603:800:30e0:7ad6:f0ff:fed1:8cac PRIVMSG #esoteric :God damnit I closed my window < 1442040241 225014 :Walpurgisnacht!~ah@2601:603:800:30e0:7ad6:f0ff:fed1:8cac PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mmm goodnight < 1442040245 262262 :Walpurgisnacht!~ah@2601:603:800:30e0:7ad6:f0ff:fed1:8cac QUIT :Quit: Fuck me < 1442041341 82135 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found what I believe to be a judge's mistake in a 1999 FRC round < 1442041375 256457 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :frc? < 1442041400 603561 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Later: < 1442041400 783893 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : I just found a horrible problem with this rule. If Frconium is Tier 16, and you mix it with an Tier 1 element in extreme proporions, you should get (by 126:11) the @ version of an element on Tier 15. But according to this rule there is no Tier 15! Unless or until someone points out a flaw in this reasoning, I will have to change my Judgement on this to INVALID. < 1442041449 240300 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Flaw in that reasoning: Tier 1 elements, when mixed in extreme proportion, do NOT result in @ versions of elements, as noted in the validity notes for 11 < 1442041452 206673 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.sir-toby.com/nomic-archives/frc/round126.txt < 1442041490 300381 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh nomic ok < 1442042413 298040 :sc00fy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1442043764 394717 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1442043965 751960 :kallisti_!~adam@h68.164.28.71.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1442044044 868133 :x10A94!~x10A94@178.252.73.97 JOIN :#esoteric < 1442044141 926424 :kallisti!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1442045571 579145 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-103-11.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1442047226 713576 :bender!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1442047245 786601 :bender|_!~benderx2@2404:e800:e61a:41d:96c:7c19:240b:ef62 JOIN :#esoteric < 1442047315 531205 :J_Arcane_!~chatzilla@37-219-112-17.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1442047461 548683 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-103-11.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1442047474 908551 :J_Arcane_!~chatzilla@37-219-112-17.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi NICK :J_Arcane < 1442047657 716239 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Fission14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44142&oldid=43098 5* 0373.21.237.245 5* (+63) 10Added categories < 1442047700 903708 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDream < 1442048225 396360 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Quit: lunch < 1442048227 419969 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-64-77.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1442049087 507348 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-112-17.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1442049343 879877 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1442049775 502227 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I'm reading something explaining the usage of an option/maybe type < 1442049805 268793 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and gives as an example a function that divides two numbers, except it returns the "no value" option if the divisor is 0 < 1442049820 510300 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and immediately thought "but what if someone does INT_MIN / -1?" < 1442050100 666644 :zadock!~outsider@81.180.210.224 JOIN :#esoteric < 1442050251 457804 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-114-139.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1442050442 240775 :zadock!~outsider@81.180.210.224 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1442050790 543555 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1442051485 281692 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Fish14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44143&oldid=44135 5* 03109.240.117.169 5* (+0) 10Undo revision 44135 by [[Special:Contributions/108.53.252.27|108.53.252.27]] ([[User talk:108.53.252.27|talk]]) < 1442052597 828063 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 0.8 * 73 < 1442052599 154544 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 58.400000000000006 < 1442053111 738501 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :@botsnack < 1442053111 954242 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1442053128 292779 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote < 1442053128 470341 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :ackbar says: it's a trap! < 1442053346 495637 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-64-77.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1442053431 293600 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-64-77.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1442053784 463970 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that value for 0.8*73 looks suspect to me < 1442053812 311981 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how easy it is to get binary floating point calculations to produce exact results in decimal < 1442053824 23898 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren_: ah, I see you've added more characters < 1442053824 757518 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you track error, and then if there's a short decimal representation within your error radius, you use that < 1442054910 80210 :bender|_!~benderx2@2404:e800:e61a:41d:96c:7c19:240b:ef62 QUIT :Quit: Ping Pong Fuckout < 1442054980 199884 :sc00fy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1442054997 319873 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-64-77.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1442055088 293632 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-64-77.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1442056512 588834 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1442058544 520296 :bender|_!~sid123@2404:e800:e61a:41d:96c:7c19:240b:ef62 JOIN :#esoteric < 1442058604 439711 :bender|_!~sid123@2404:e800:e61a:41d:96c:7c19:240b:ef62 NICK :bender| < 1442058614 458132 :bender|!~sid123@2404:e800:e61a:41d:96c:7c19:240b:ef62 QUIT :Changing host < 1442058614 649296 :bender|!~sid123@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 JOIN :#esoteric < 1442058651 583705 :bender|!~sid123@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 NICK :bender < 1442058696 702447 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@94.123.204.152 JOIN :#esoteric < 1442058856 872530 :Virgolang_!~Virgolang@94.123.194.113 JOIN :#esoteric < 1442058987 580046 :J_Arcane_!~chatzilla@37-219-230-137.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1442059068 454788 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@94.123.204.152 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1442059081 209286 :Virgolang_!~Virgolang@94.123.194.113 NICK :Virgolang < 1442059083 462402 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-114-139.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1442059086 885189 :J_Arcane_!~chatzilla@37-219-230-137.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi NICK :J_Arcane < 1442059090 280410 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@94.123.194.113 QUIT :Changing host < 1442059090 461911 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang JOIN :#esoteric < 1442061459 905568 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Hexadecimal Stacking Pseudo-Assembly Language14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44144&oldid=42643 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (+251) 10 < 1442061831 722874 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1442062487 746489 :rodgort!~rodgort@105.ip-167-114-152.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1442062828 580544 :J_Arcane_!~chatzilla@37-219-85-52.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1442062934 520215 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-230-137.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1442062942 936651 :J_Arcane_!~chatzilla@37-219-85-52.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi NICK :J_Arcane < 1442063181 333169 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1442063251 519497 :rodgort!~rodgort@105.ip-167-114-152.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1442063284 145360 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1442064669 453387 :bender!~sid123@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1442065785 306731 :Virgolang_!~Virgolang@94.123.199.36 JOIN :#esoteric < 1442065921 626669 :Virgolang__!~Virgolang@94.123.199.54 JOIN :#esoteric < 1442065965 859532 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1442066086 266834 :Virgolang__!~Virgolang@94.123.199.54 NICK :Virgolang < 1442066089 873319 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Quit: *bubbles away* < 1442066101 962680 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@94.123.199.54 QUIT :Changing host < 1442066102 143872 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang JOIN :#esoteric < 1442066103 303086 :Virgolang_!~Virgolang@94.123.199.36 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1442066334 400462 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44145&oldid=44136 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (-19) 10 < 1442066353 18628 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Joke language list14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44146&oldid=43369 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (+19) 10 < 1442066527 965940 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1442066822 411421 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1442067951 500458 :Virgolang_!~Virgolang@94.123.200.84 JOIN :#esoteric < 1442067987 682940 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Mornington Crescent14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44147&oldid=44036 5* 03Timwi 5* (+447) 10Parsons Green < 1442068036 159670 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Mornington Crescent14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44148&oldid=44147 5* 03Timwi 5* (+27) 10formatting < 1442068110 576210 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1442068216 340406 :Virgolang_!~Virgolang@94.123.200.84 NICK :Virgolang < 1442068228 724931 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@94.123.200.84 QUIT :Changing host < 1442068228 917465 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang JOIN :#esoteric < 1442068303 637407 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Mornington Crescent14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44149&oldid=44148 5* 03Timwi 5* (+113) 10move the single-operand instructions down so they’re not intermingled with the binary operators < 1442068540 393398 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Quit: *bubbles away* < 1442068550 781749 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Mornington Crescent14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44150&oldid=44149 5* 03Timwi 5* (+142) 10/* Execution */ Caveat < 1442068600 414487 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Mornington Crescent14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44151&oldid=44150 5* 03Timwi 5* (+0) 10sp. Also, I changed the semantics of the start of the program in a previous edit and sneakily marked it as minor! Sorry! < 1442068827 994886 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1442068973 826873 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Mornington Crescent14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44152&oldid=44151 5* 03Timwi 5* (+12) 10mildly important < 1442069092 75414 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Mornington Crescent14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44153&oldid=44152 5* 03Timwi 5* (+59) 10clarify what “return” means < 1442069202 920688 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION appends "1!" to his password in order to make it fulfill the requirements. < 1442069245 808419 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1442069292 386933 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that reminds me of those Password Policies which required users to change their password every couple of weeks < 1442069331 438859 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just put a counter on the end of my password which i incremented every time < 1442069904 476844 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1442069938 514043 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use a base 36 counter < 1442069983 172434 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell b_jonas yes I added devanagari and some arabic and more cyrillic < 1442069983 172523 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1442070020 129346 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right now i;m working on armenian < 1442070168 548757 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Quit: *bubbles away* < 1442071280 249420 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :When defining stuff that uses division I have also considered INT_MIN / -1 < 1442071330 575746 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example, QUACKVM specifies undefined behaviour in that case (also division by zero is not undefined; it will be reported to the program). < 1442071474 164007 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if we define negation as flipping the bits then adding one, the answer to -INT_MIN is INT_MIN. < 1442071530 201500 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for 4-bit ints: ~1000 = 0111 0111+1 = 1000 < 1442071603 256079 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a well deisgned program should probably avoid numbers near the edges of the representable range though < 1442071901 789905 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw2-54f80e-20.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1442071906 342893 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH JOIN :#esoteric < 1442072259 2030 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Mornington Crescent14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44154&oldid=44153 5* 03Timwi 5* (-8) 10/* Execution */ < 1442072290 928999 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have sometimes considered using ones-complement instead < 1442072476 475910 :MDream!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDude < 1442073050 232548 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [minBound, -minBound] :: [Int] < 1442073052 20004 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : [-9223372036854775808,-9223372036854775808] < 1442073062 137505 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren_: checks out < 1442073616 3928 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :> minBound / -1 :: Int < 1442073619 28104 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Precedence parsing error < 1442073619 206079 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : cannot mix ‘/’ [infixl 7] and prefix `-' [infixl 6] in the same infi... < 1442073632 514357 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :> minBound / (-1) :: Int < 1442073634 604437 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (Fractional Int) arising from a use of ‘/’ < 1442073634 782448 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : In the expression: minBound / (- 1) :: Int < 1442073658 744448 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :> div minBound (-1) :: Int < 1442073660 995001 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : *Exception: arithmetic overflow < 1442073771 443555 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :div probably checks for this case and errors out without dividing ... I wonder if you can use unboxed ints in lambdabot < 1442073966 501945 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1442074032 687190 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't think so < 1442074040 199431 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait hm < 1442074088 350335 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> if True then error "test" else 1# < 1442074089 628358 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match kind ‘*’ with ‘#’ < 1442074089 805802 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : When matching types < 1442074089 805878 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : a0 :: * < 1442074122 643284 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm right that won't print < 1442074131 800060 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :# is a kind? < 1442074132 410219 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t I# < 1442074133 670253 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: data constructor ‘I#’ < 1442074133 850524 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Perhaps you meant ‘In’ (imported from Lambdabot.Plugin.Haskell.Eval.Trusted) < 1442074141 736718 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t 1# < 1442074142 836460 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :GHC.Prim.Int# < 1442074145 105034 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw2-54f80e-20.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1442074179 902190 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can make unboxed literals, but it's hard to use them for anything because none of the functions are imported < 1442074212 639683 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let x 1# = 1 in x 1# < 1442074214 519907 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1 < 1442074220 339980 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like you can also pattern match them? < 1442074222 491832 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let x 1# = 1 in x 2# < 1442074224 227299 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : *Exception: :3:5-12: Non-exhaustive patterns in function x < 1442074226 33689 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1442074227 401697 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well right < 1442074238 840010 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: # is the kind of unboxed values, yes < 1442074294 330718 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src Int < 1442074294 508538 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :data Int = I# Int# < 1442074310 335885 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I#? < 1442074329 707486 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I# were imported (from GHC.Exts or the like), it would be easier < 1442074332 127094 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does that box any unboxed type or some such? < 1442074349 983992 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, just Int, it's the data constructor for Ints < 1442074357 983311 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src Integer < 1442074358 164011 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :data Integer = S# Int# < 1442074358 164083 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : | J# Int# ByteArray# < 1442074372 908508 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1442074380 47634 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course @src is unreliable but it has these examples < 1442074395 158155 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that Integer definition may be out of date. < 1442074427 305816 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle Integer < 1442074429 2932 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude data Integer :: * < 1442074429 183233 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Graphics.Rendering.OpenGL.GL.VertexSpec data IntegerHandling < 1442074429 183312 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Language.Haskell.TH.Syntax IntegerL :: Integer -> Lit < 1442074440 80020 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I take it a ByteArray# doesn't know its own length? < 1442074458 140674 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure < 1442074459 604193 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and thus a Haskell Integer can't store a value that's more than INT#_MAX bytes long < 1442074490 3573 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(on a 32-bit system, I believe it's theoretically possible to have enough memory to be able to store such a value in theory) < 1442074492 700364 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :from GHCi: < 1442074494 35797 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :data Integer = integer-gmp-1.0.0.0:GHC.Integer.Type.S# !Int# | integer-gmp-1.0.0.0:GHC.Integer.Type.Jp# {-# UNPACK #-}integer-gmp-1.0.0.0:GHC.Integer.Type.BigNat < 1442074497 234283 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : | integer-gmp-1.0.0.0:GHC.Integer.Type.Jn# {-# UNPACK #-}integer-gmp-1.0.0.0:GHC.Integer.Type.BigNat < 1442074505 615603 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :they split it according to sign now < 1442074517 441974 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's in a hidden module thus the noise < 1442074547 602825 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ echo '2:*:*:*:*:*:2/*:.01-/' > tmp.bef; cfunge tmp.bef < 1442074547 782955 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Floating point exception < 1442074550 176436 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And there is the "BigNat" type; what is their definition? < 1442074554 687396 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fortunately, I don't think you can get fungot to do that. < 1442074554 867962 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i deleted the early childhood and marriage because latuff himself stated that neither of those counties allow any sort of evidence? what about the territories? fnord fnord george clark ( fnord english history: a fnord, which < 1442074601 895387 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, for some reason, "cfunge <(echo ...)" doesn't work -- it goes to an infinite 100% CPU-wasting loop somewhere. < 1442074641 12339 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The extra :. was just for debugging.) < 1442074691 56712 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it's a feature to heat up the room during cold winter days < 1442074754 634712 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how often is division actually used? < 1442074763 426810 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even more so than subtraction, it's hard to implement in esolangs that don't have integers < 1442074773 283700 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I should add it to underlambda's standard library < 1442074791 566351 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone know a good algo for dividing chuch numerals? bonus if it does something well-defined on functions that aren't church numerals < 1442074818 30477 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :data BigNat = BN# ByteArray# < 1442074821 959888 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: ^ < 1442074839 790487 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, OK < 1442074841 679590 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-64-77.access.telenet.be QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1442074882 88282 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: actually ByteArray# isn't a single contiguous memory array < 1442074897 564637 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I was assuming tha the Int# was the length < 1442074960 179034 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it may have been number of "limbs", now it's not there any more < 1442075126 322984 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-64-77.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1442075271 691647 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm wait it may be contiguous < 1442075279 896843 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Slim14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=44155 5* 03Scoppini 5* (+1774) 10Created page for Slim < 1442075301 772620 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A ByteArray# is a just a region of raw memory in the garbage-collected heap, which is not scanned for pointers. It carries its own size (in bytes)." < 1442075320 679224 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Scoppini14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44156&oldid=41613 5* 03Scoppini 5* (+14) 10 < 1442075496 41766 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Hello world program in esoteric languages14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44157&oldid=43935 5* 03Scoppini 5* (+199) 10Added Slim < 1442075652 508103 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44158&oldid=43899 5* 03Scoppini 5* (+128) 10Added Slim < 1442075760 150867 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Later < 1442075925 364650 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1442075940 456166 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@94.123.200.84 JOIN :#esoteric < 1442075949 255898 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@94.123.200.84 QUIT :Changing host < 1442075949 438450 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang JOIN :#esoteric < 1442076009 164567 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-85-52.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92-rdmsoft [XULRunner 35.0.1/20150122214805] < 1442076510 449724 :Virgolang!~Virgolang@unaffiliated/virgolang QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1442076576 274176 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-128-163.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guys, guys! Someone just found the craziest thing in Idris. < 1442076636 331410 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-128-163.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you use Doubles in types, unification uses float equality, so NaN will not unify with NaN. < 1442076654 807320 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :This allows you to get a NaN = NaN and a (NaN = NaN) -> Void < 1442076660 674609 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can't prove Void because they won't unify < 1442076754 249221 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-85-52.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1442076933 76880 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-128-163.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exactly. < 1442076968 590052 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :beautiful < 1442076977 319350 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's probably some really deep maths behind that < 1442077075 926412 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-128-163.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :More problematically, it will presumably unify positive and negative zero, which will cause inconsistency as soon as some way to distinguish negative zero is added, which I was planning to do. < 1442077112 402923 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(we just confirmed that it will) < 1442077193 250884 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/+0 is positive infinity, 1/-0 is negative infintiy? < 1442077212 895616 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1442077216 769186 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1 / 0 < 1442077218 940585 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Infinity < 1442077224 613730 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1.0 / -0 < 1442077226 94788 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Precedence parsing error < 1442077226 273592 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : cannot mix ‘/’ [infixl 7] and prefix `-' [infixl 6] in the same infi... < 1442077231 467287 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1.0 / ( -0.0) < 1442077233 698158 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : -Infinity < 1442077250 714204 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :space is needed because it's otherwise a function that subtracts 0 from things, I take it? < 1442077343 510421 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is some weird special rule at least < 1442077365 211096 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-128-163.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: No, prefix - is always prefix - in Haskell, IIRC. < 1442077378 828851 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-128-163.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :The section meaning can’t be gotten that way. < 1442077382 940493 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-128-163.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@type subtract < 1442077384 179438 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Num a => a -> a -> a < 1442077392 325610 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-128-163.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is why that function exists. < 1442077416 536077 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (- 1) 7 < 1442077418 370169 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Could not deduce (Num a0) < 1442077418 550486 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : from the context (Num a, Num (a -> t)) < 1442077418 550554 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : bound by the inferred type for ‘e_117’: (Num a, Num (a -> t)) => t < 1442077429 204958 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (1 -) 7 < 1442077430 641162 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : -6 < 1442077441 240617 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-128-163.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you can say (subtract x) because (-x) does the other thing. < 1442077449 417087 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-128-163.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (subtract 1) 7 < 1442077450 974320 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 6 < 1442077472 574003 :J_Arcane_!~chatzilla@37-219-207-119.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1442077533 337780 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-85-52.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1442077533 996632 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hijarcane!! < 1442077542 139410 :J_Arcane_!~chatzilla@37-219-207-119.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi NICK :J_Arcane < 1442077818 923333 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-207-119.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92-rdmsoft [XULRunner 35.0.1/20150122214805] < 1442078020 732869 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-128-163.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> the ((False = True) -> Void) (\Refl impossible) $ cong {f = (> 0) . (1 /)} $ the (-0.0 = 0.0) Refl < 1442078021 850568 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : :1:13: parse error on input ‘=’ < 1442078025 726372 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-128-163.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erp. < 1442078028 688584 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-128-163.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :( the ((False = True) -> Void) (\Refl impossible) $ cong {f = (> 0) . (1 /)} $ the (-0.0 = 0.0) Refl < 1442078028 866851 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-092-072-128-163.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :09case block in {val1} 12Void 04Refl 04Refl : 12Void < 1442078046 667546 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-128-163.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :There we go. < 1442078126 152528 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-128-163.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, does anyone know how to do bit-pattern equality on Double in Haskell? < 1442078186 520869 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, we've proved Void in Haskell? < 1442078203 534091 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :approximately how often does that happen? every few months? < 1442078211 871323 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah wait no, that's idris < 1442078234 560662 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren_: can you add the symbols representing control characters: [\x{4200}-\x{241f}]? < 1442078246 952393 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let x (- 0.0) = 1 in x 0.0 < 1442078248 637091 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1 < 1442078258 621785 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 0.0/0.0 < 1442078260 491457 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : NaN < 1442078273 577781 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let nan = 0.0/0.0 in let x nan = 1 in x nan < 1442078275 899059 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1 < 1442078279 886684 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1442078293 461730 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is something of an inconsistency here < 1442078317 456307 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren_: these get some use. We use them (except for three) as substitutes on perlmonks to emit valid xml 1.0 (which doesn't allow most control characters) when a user-submitted text contains control characters. < 1442078333 379276 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1442078382 17823 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: hi < 1442078399 242457 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Ok, i'm done armenian so ill do those next < 1442078430 745362 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren_: mind you, we ampersand-escape them so you won't see them directly in the xml source < 1442078434 260580 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: O, hello < 1442078448 459879 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I have a challenge. Make a Magic card that causes trouble on an airport. < 1442078466 776419 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is not so clear to me. < 1442078503 41666 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :eg. Name: Greater Terror. Cost: {2}{skull}. Rules text: Destroy target nonblack creature and/or target plane- < 1442078530 954804 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :swalker. Art: A rogue stabbing someone from the back with a small knife on a market square. < 1442078578 541216 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :That doesn't work because it couldn't be hyphenated that way, mind yuo. < 1442078725 823895 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, now I can understand though < 1442078733 279529 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-94.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1442078734 275625 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(English text is almost never hyphenated on Magic cards, and even if it could be, the line wouldn't end there: it's large size text because the text is short, so it would be “Destroy target nonblack creature\nand/or target planeswalker.” and I think planeswalker can't be hyphenated after the "e" anyway.) < 1442078757 793110 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe if other text is added to force it to be hyphenated there < 1442078828 737162 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: the motivating example is http://mathoverflow.net/a/53738/35417 < 1442078850 30103 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-128-163.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :< ais523> > let nan = 0.0/0.0 in let x nan = 1 in x nan – In case it was unclear, the second nan is a pattern variable and thus x = const 1 < 1442078860 196807 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: oh right < 1442078882 322523 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure this is easily fixable, either < 1442078934 385043 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let x (0.0/0.0) = 1 in x (0.0/0.0) -- I don't expect this to work; and Haskell comments are -- right? < 1442078935 862076 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : :1:8: Parse error in pattern: 0.0 / 0.0 < 1442078975 148429 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-128-163.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: As far as I remember, numeric patterns always turn into tests with (==). < 1442078997 552885 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-128-163.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :So Double patterns will obey float equality. < 1442079010 575329 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-94.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1442079030 346833 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-128-163.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :So if you could make a pattern for NaN, it would presumably never match. < 1442079057 856912 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would make sense, yes < 1442079063 238030 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Ah, OK I can see now < 1442079070 628037 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-128-163.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let nan = 0.0/0.0 in let foo n | n == nan = 1 in foo nan < 1442079072 674175 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : *Exception: :3:26-45: Non-exhaustive patterns in function foo < 1442079078 954157 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-128-163.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something like that. < 1442079096 134647 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is pretty normal floating-point behaviour < 1442079097 595607 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: and no, I don't think depending on the hyphenation of plane-swalker is a good idea in any case. < 1442079109 669164 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't work for like five reasons. < 1442079120 919779 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :That part isn't fixable. < 1442079127 353095 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's fine in haskell, but in Idris, it introduces inconsistency and that's an issue < 1442079159 407369 :atrapado!~atrapado@unaffiliated/atrapado JOIN :#esoteric < 1442079242 241241 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: And that hyphenation looks like wrong even if you can force it to hyphenate it there < 1442079264 382849 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: and people _do_ read past the hyphenation < 1442079303 809141 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I am sure you will < 1442079336 947308 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :My dictionary doesn't tell how planeswalker is hyphenated. < 1442079339 149433 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe a card used in a planechase game? Then "plane" is an actual type < 1442079345 400875 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hehe! < 1442079349 109078 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Although you can't destroy them as they aren't permanents) < 1442079370 53471 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe, though it's not very likely that more planechase cards are printed. < 1442079381 544493 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nor cards that specifically mention them. < 1442079396 407173 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe destroy or sacrifice a plains. < 1442079416 318167 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there even a card with hyphenation in the English text? If so, from what year the latest? < 1442079436 917281 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably some un-card has some. < 1442079463 402906 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"destroy" doesn't work for things in the command zone, though < 1442079477 855583 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd be "place in the graveyard" or "exile" < 1442079494 641645 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, Longest Card Name Ever Elemenetal has a really long hyphenated word in the flavor text. < 1442079538 472594 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I'm not sure those work either, because the rules stop you from moving plane cards to other zones, but sure < 1442079556 373865 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-207-119.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1442079560 251530 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably because someone would find a way otherwise :-) < 1442079567 267708 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do airport guards know from Dune what a thopter is? < 1442079582 823638 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the illustration helps that is? < 1442079617 883411 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1442079619 234115 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-128-163.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :What’s a tho? < 1442079620 230124 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the word exists, and presumably someone's tried to make one < 1442079627 737547 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1442079629 626692 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1442079636 904016 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yes, I think for one of those set of rules that seem like backup rules just in case somehow the rules break at first, there actually is some way to activate that. < 1442079674 465904 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Sure, and even if thopters don't work in real life, there's probably porn featuring them. < 1442079680 182919 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that doesn't mean people know the word. < 1442079692 333636 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are they called in Dune actually? Just thopter, or some prefixed form? < 1442079736 586218 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've read first Dune book in English, but only once, and I don't remember. < 1442079750 544428 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1442079755 953687 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I've read the first six in Hungarian, but I can't say I'm a big fan.) < 1442079762 822826 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's some card that puts cards into play if they have the same name as a creature < 1442079781 678374 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :callforjudgement: what? from any zone? < 1442079784 515212 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there are sorceries with the same name as creature types, and cards that create tokens of arbitrary creature types < 1442079788 555215 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :from some zone, I forget which < 1442079793 113663 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1442079795 24179 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1442079798 934093 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorceries with the same name as creature types? < 1442079802 46508 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably with a cost too < 1442079804 154485 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Splinter < 1442079833 317858 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you can also just blink a manifested sorcery these days < 1442079859 354264 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, but the long way round means it can't just be fixed in manifest rules < 1442079861 947103 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it even makes sense because blink can work in a morph dekc < 1442079891 359894 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes, there were one or two more exotic ways for some of these rules < 1442079896 950186 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha, Clarion Ultimatum is the card in question < 1442079901 283399 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Splinter ... wow < 1442079913 179275 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it lets you search out five permanents from your library with the same name as permanents you control < 1442079919 18002 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, different permanents, I think < 1442079938 6363 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there's even a Splintering Wind that creates Splinter tokens so you don't even have to artificially evolve the token maker < 1442079941 171756 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and put them into play < 1442079953 913349 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: wow < 1442079957 362227 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1442079959 328145 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :from your library < 1442079960 519326 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :funnily enough, the rulings for Clarion Ultimatum actually give a second example < 1442079969 821040 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Illusion token and Illusion // Reality < 1442079978 831378 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(when matching split card names, you can match either half) < 1442079991 132387 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I think that Echoing Decay can very occasionally affect both a token and a card, without copy effects changing their name < 1442080014 758746 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't quite work for Elvish Warrior because Elvish isn't Elf < 1442080033 316392 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are quite a few creatures whose name is just their creature type < 1442080035 645304 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly goblins, I think < 1442080042 546459 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: sure, Homarid < 1442080063 29592 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but is there one for which there's a simple token-maker, without some sort of artifical evolution or generic foundry? < 1442080077 334388 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :eg. there's multiple cards putting Elf Warrior tokens in play < 1442080089 320775 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :check lorwyn and morningtide < 1442080106 252045 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :those are the sets where a race+class token would be most likely relevant < 1442080112 668180 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's Goblin Assassin, but probably nothing creating Goblin Assassin tokens < 1442080136 339358 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mind you, there's one card that puts Assassin tokens < 1442080153 63505 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that, or try to search for "creature token" with regexen < 1442080157 751005 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll try later < 1442080177 513753 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Gatherer doesn't support regexen any more < 1442080183 134439 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it got broken in the last website update < 1442080184 478786 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, on a local copy < 1442080284 533889 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing makes Nightmare tokens either < 1442080318 586854 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :putting "a 1/1 white Knight creature token" doesn't work either < 1442080352 7642 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh! < 1442080353 384943 :aretecode!~aretecode@50.23.131.206-static.reverse.softlayer.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1442080354 357997 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's another instant < 1442080359 89283 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Illusion is an instant < 1442080376 219965 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: OK, instants and sorceries are pretty much equivalent for this, though, aren't they? < 1442080378 124038 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there are creatures putting Illusion creature tokens < 1442080383 70245 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Summoner's Bane < 1442080391 458150 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes < 1442080396 93962 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just that that's another one < 1442080402 419664 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and possibly less obscure than Splinter < 1442080416 141144 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I guessed it would exist < 1442080576 689014 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :3331 characters! < 1442080594 773670 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, there's lots of creatures printed with creature type names, like Metharan Zombie and Giant Spider < 1442080597 951951 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I forgot < 1442080619 152120 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: there's a card from the TSP block that actually creates tokens named Llanowar Elves, isn't there? < 1442080619 576225 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-207-119.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1442080629 559464 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: yes, Llanowar Mentor < 1442080630 849040 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Llanowar Mentor < 1442080631 976700 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's part of a cycle < 1442080636 500541 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1442080640 271122 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1442080643 341377 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so those definitely work with Echoing Decay < 1442080646 844700 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :five cards each of which create tokens named after cards < 1442080649 397861 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is also a cycle by the way < 1442080671 3941 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(one of the created cards was in lorwyn, which came later; future sight's most accurate predictions were about lorwyn for obvious reasons) < 1442080674 983160 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, and all five are peddlers, aren't there? < 1442080682 358988 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :spellshapers < 1442080691 681384 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that then < 1442080693 891716 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :most spellshapers mimic sorcery or instant spells < 1442080697 668897 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :those ones mimic creature spells < 1442080710 277056 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such-and-such. Instant. While Such-and-such is on the stack, all cards have Flash. < 1442080723 839767 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, Ballon Peddler has the type Human Spellshaper < 1442080750 589527 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-1-96.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1442080766 382519 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and only three cards called Peddler are like that, and there's one other peddler < 1442080841 989591 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, TSP predicted Kithkins < 1442080858 644847 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and planeswalkers < 1442080868 232131 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and tribals < 1442080992 668276 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it upset me so much when I found out planeswalkers were actually being added < 1442081014 715645 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, we have this weird rigger card that references something that doesn't exist, and has wording designed to make it look like it won't ever exist < 1442081014 896753 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "Kithkin" subtype started in the Legends set < 1442081024 954268 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, is that part of why you hate Lorwyn? < 1442081031 417669 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yes, with one card. and TSP block has two or three. < 1442081034 178895 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then we have this lhurgoyf which references a nonexistent card type which Wizards have said they'll never print < 1442081041 815439 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I liked them both < 1442081070 304987 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(there is mild upside from this: happening to (incorrectly) think Tarmogoyf was a cute reference to something that would never happen was enough to get me to draft one before people realised they were good) < 1442081096 453651 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, you like Tarmogoyf? < 1442081121 785052 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lorwyn rather ruined it flavourwise for me < 1442081130 708925 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but by that point people had figured out it was one of the best cards ever printed < 1442081139 773042 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, I understand that, but planeswalkers in particular? < 1442081157 862310 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait, Lorwyn ruined Tarmogoyf? what? < 1442081160 406202 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: just the reference to something that would never happen < 1442081182 689027 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :both the rigger that doubles contraction assembly, and the lhurgoyf that references a nonexistent card type < 1442081200 880104 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll disappear in about an hour (plus or minus an hour) by the way, for half a day, when my preferred encode of MLP S5 E14 will be available and downloaded. < 1442081235 858462 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the Steamflogger Boss references a non-existant _artifact_ type < 1442081242 878177 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :contraption < 1442081258 911902 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but cards have created tokens of otherwise nonexistant creature types anyway < 1442081269 357749 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: it references a nonexistent special action, assembly < 1442081276 468180 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a way that's templated to make it almost impossible to implement < 1442081280 439724 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, rigger < 1442081290 918506 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :rigger is a nonexistant creature type < 1442081301 857457 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Sand token is among the most ridiculous type < 1442081303 463541 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-94.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1442081306 349431 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(at least, no official source says it's a special action, but that's the only game element that templates like that) < 1442081310 25368 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: moriok rigger < 1442081317 981453 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, contraption is officially an artifact subtype < 1442081321 141971 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just one that appears on no cards < 1442081326 483469 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: exactly < 1442081339 945878 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it appears on Steamflogger, which is enough to bring it to existance < 1442081340 126877 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-64-77.access.telenet.be QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1442081350 117801 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I think the list of existing artifact types don't matter for anything < 1442081359 68050 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :because there are no cards like Artificial Evolution for them < 1442081372 131046 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or anything that lets you choose or reference arbitrary artifact types in any way < 1442081386 156027 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas creature types can matter (though there's so many that they won't matter in practice) < 1442081391 309586 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I think land types come up somewhere < 1442081398 13941 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you only have a finite supply for your turing machines! < 1442081398 752450 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make up something like that for artifact subtypes maybe < 1442081400 517592 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but maybe only existant ones < 1442081406 641601 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I don't think land types generally can be chosen < 1442081418 902082 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: probably no, only something like "lands that share type" or something < 1442081419 83005 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(although it's amusing that there are four lands with subtype Urza's, not three) < 1442081420 561146 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't recall < 1442081454 408808 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, only basic land types < 1442081467 218050 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no effect which lets you pick out a subtype other than a creature type < 1442081482 281776 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: there is < 1442081485 484494 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Barbarian Guides < 1442081499 154444 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, you're right < 1442081501 826688 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't know about that one < 1442081503 481790 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird old card < 1442081510 888461 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have made up the card that has an effect "target spell loses all supertypes and subtypes" < 1442081518 494237 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mind you, if you pick a nonexistant type, you just get an ability that doesn't do anything useful < 1442081536 64898 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Illusionary Presence < 1442081544 821750 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Landfill < 1442081552 51012 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: that's not a legal choice < 1442081556 530759 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Shimmer < 1442081565 429325 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :landfill doesn't count < 1442081566 91819 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: so you can aim it at a legendary creature, and then it's nonlegendary even after it reaches the battlefield < 1442081573 955337 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :none of them are really relevant < 1442081574 729305 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: you've made your point < 1442081589 177153 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa, Traveler's Cloak < 1442081595 64080 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :if tron was a thing in legacy < 1442081596 980782 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just amused, I didn't know there's so many of these < 1442081602 111847 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would totally play Shimmer just to Shimmer Urza's < 1442081606 635151 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt Wizards would print that, because so many people wouldn't realise < 1442081612 736479 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :still, none of them makes land types matters < 1442081619 463119 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-64-77.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1442081619 786936 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: I think the only reason tron isn't a thing in legacy is that twelvepost is better < 1442081626 731258 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1442081630 343036 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and works much the same way < 1442081640 244732 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1442081643 429696 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could do Shimmer naming locus < 1442081644 730996 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, if you put tron and twelvepost in the same deck < 1442081647 654203 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's 24 lands exactly < 1442081647 906756 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yes, or at an Aura and it won't be attached to anything, or at a planeswalker and now you can play another same one, or a snow permanent is not snow, etc < 1442081659 139314 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now you just need the nonland cards to all be castable from colorless < 1442081672 477272 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :expedition map costs {1}, right? that'd be a good start < 1442081701 256 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hangarback walker's good I hear < 1442081710 115604 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe... tron legacy < 1442081734 671664 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :planeswalker karn < 1442081748 78855 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :some eldrazi (ulamog is normally the right choice in modern, so probably here too) < 1442081765 300430 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :emrakul too < 1442081782 694255 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :out of reach in tron, but doable in post < 1442081794 300670 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a hardcast emrakul is nearly unbeatable < 1442081803 687617 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've seen it done < 1442081818 901677 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :normally by combo decks which had been crafting their hand over the last few turns < 1442081830 76732 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then did a "T:1 combo kill" just not on turn 1 < 1442081933 630657 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have made the puzzle once involving beating a hardcast Emrakul < 1442081956 369415 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: do you mean Pathrazer of Ulamog? or the big Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre? < 1442081971 312600 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :infinite gyre < 1442081977 416826 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the big onse are tricky because they can't be reanimated from the graveyard < 1442081982 766173 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, you can combo out in response < 1442081990 162208 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's some discussion that ceaseless hunger might be good in that sort of deck too < 1442081990 590537 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-94.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1442081997 570790 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that one's so new you can't buy it yet < 1442081998 838647 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I've played against a casual reanimator that used Pathrazer of Ulamog among a few other big creatures < 1442082033 558977 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a way that it sometimes tries to search the deck to put to graveyard, and reanimate, so it had I think five different expensive creatures < 1442082045 961354 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it aimed to get one out in turn three or something < 1442082123 349513 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ceaseless hunger seems strong < 1442082250 988809 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: there's creature printed 7/11. I wonder if you could get a 9/11 one. < 1442082256 257503 :kline!~kline@unaffiliated/kline NICK :ayylmao < 1442082352 142719 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: It is possible I suppose. < 1442082479 115517 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to see how to make the Dungeons&Dragons spell it can cause nonlethal damage but can also convert lethal damage into nonlethal damage too < 1442082515 434763 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: perhaps there should be a metamagic feat for casting spells nonlethally (and perhaps there's one already) < 1442082547 324019 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: There is one. < 1442082566 162081 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have seen it in one book saying it takes 1 slot level higher and in another book it says the same slot level. < 1442082590 336167 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: it's not so easy because there are few creatures printed that big. you have to somehow make its size meaningful. and a vanilla creature might not be enough unless you can make its name, type, flavor text, art REALLY good. < 1442082626 67065 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: heheheh < 1442082626 704357 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Yes I can believe you < 1442082695 415962 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-94.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1442082880 412309 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such as, deals some amount of nonlethal damage to target, and increases their current hit points by half of that amount, rounding up, up to their maximum hit points; does not count as healing for purpose of effects that care. But I am not sure what level, what amount of damage, etc < 1442082936 539286 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some people (including myself) have suggested to make healing to be a subschool of necromancy rather than of conjuration; the DM of the game I am in also agrees. I can further suggest antihealing to be another subschool of necromancy (for spells that heal undead but damage living creatures) < 1442082980 349011 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: does that matter? I thought schools mostly matter for wizards, who don't do healing, as opposed to bards or clerics. < 1442083073 457715 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the M:tG rules say that "exchange life totals" effects (which permute life totals among players) count as healing for healing triggers < 1442083083 962038 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so do "set life total" effects < 1442083090 525092 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I know in M:tG they do < 1442083100 57666 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes, that's different < 1442083144 376723 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it can also matter for some other things including some rule variants that can be used < 1442083197 292986 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So not necromancy has two subschools healing and antihealing, and there is also plain necromancy. < 1442083335 283277 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, besides the cleanup step, regenerate, and "end the turn" effects, are there effects that remove some or all of the damage marked from a creature while keeping them on the battlefield? < 1442083382 484957 :sc00fy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1442083387 601962 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1442083397 191381 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I don't know if there are any official ones. < 1442083434 578585 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still think it's weird how land costs work. < 1442083456 112548 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some spells have a cost of zero. Lands do not have a cost of zero. Instead, they have an unpayable cost, but you don't have to pay it. < 1442083484 489160 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :YAY! I'm tenth ranked of all fontstruct fonts by number of characters < 1442083500 559290 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: yes, it's a bit strange. < 1442083506 344299 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's probably too late to change. < 1442083522 576191 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: I am fine with that, although I would have made the rules a bit different. < 1442083529 210373 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, not worth to change now that everyone knows the rules and there are cards depending heavily on an empty cost being uplayable. < 1442083548 331605 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would allow it to be cast as a spell if it does have a payable cost, but you can still play it as a land too < 1442083579 911274 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-94.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1442083608 939895 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-94.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1442083740 575116 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you can just give errata to everything. < 1442083773 414565 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A spell land would be interesting. < 1442083816 625514 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :An enchantment that says "While this card is on the battlefield, this card is a land." < 1442083841 184752 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ՀՁՂՃՄՅՆՇՈՉՊՋՌՍՎՏ < 1442083864 824901 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: that's much the same as a mox though < 1442083866 351261 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren_: is that armenian or georgian script? < 1442083870 381985 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or a mana rock < 1442083873 537202 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :armenian < 1442083880 840695 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It wouldn't necessarily actually have to give you mana. < 1442083896 427609 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven;t updated the eb page yet, but I will soon < 1442083930 607828 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-1-96.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92-rdmsoft [XULRunner 35.0.1/20150122214805] < 1442084135 575055 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, what things, exactly, can be in zones? < 1442084141 447759 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cards, tokens, and abilities? < 1442084585 436023 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :page now updated! http://www.orenwatson.be/fontdemo.htm < 1442084669 998413 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: also copies of spells < 1442084682 355548 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aha. < 1442084685 805899 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And those aren't tokens, I assume. < 1442084686 930131 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: and formerly combat damage on the stack < 1442084692 989584 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-94.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1442084694 598941 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and copies of abilities! although I'm not sure those are distinguishable from abilities < 1442084711 293523 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because neither is represented by a card < 1442084746 956255 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: copies of spells are somewhat similar to tokens: they're objects with no underlying card, so their copyable values are set by whatever effect creates them. < 1442084756 725298 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I don't think they are distinguishable < 1442084763 986801 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: copies of spells get created in two ways, from effects that copy a spell, and effects that let you play a copy of a spell. < 1442084765 442882 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we used to use scraps of paper with "elf" or "goblin" written on them < 1442084778 27825 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's possible for a copy of a spell to have the type "creature", right? < 1442084790 160551 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially since a copy of an ability is an ability < 1442084794 93940 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: no < 1442084795 783826 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: I'm not sure if any cards actually do that < 1442084800 991953 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: you can copy only instant an sorcery spells < 1442084805 687772 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION nods. < 1442084813 979890 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it tried to resolve, it'd go to the battlefield and then cease to exist when SBAs were checked < 1442084826 38497 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(because once a copy of the spell has left the stack it can't change zones again) < 1442084834 119605 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe there is no way to get a copy of a permanent spell < 1442084834 372513 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if you have a card that's a "Land Creature Instant"? < 1442084842 894280 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Frsrstho... < 1442084851 667378 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there any cards that have more than one type, one of which is Sorcery or Instant? < 1442084854 489639 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: the standard answer is "the rules are not designed to handle impossible cases" < 1442084861 290915 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: yes, Tribal ones < 1442084867 177086 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Tribals only < 1442084871 629162 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: but not Creature ones or Artifact ones < 1442084875 82639 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :or in other words, a Land Creature Instant is a contradiction, from which anything follows ;) < 1442084897 213983 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's why everything is legal in every country. < 1442084902 281171 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Their laws contain contradictions. < 1442084918 996586 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: it's only the Instant there that's the contradiction < 1442084927 92281 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it's possible to get a tribal with no other types, I think < 1442084929 954932 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or even a typeless permanent < 1442084973 966668 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, such things are possible on the battlefield < 1442084980 10900 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :For a copy of an activated ability on the stack that targets, how does protection treat it, as in, how does it check the characteristic of the base object to determine if it can target the object-or-player with protection? < 1442085001 81859 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :copy has the same source as the original, I think < 1442085006 712620 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1442085033 181548 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to write the MTG rules in C#. < 1442085039 963139 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :␀␁␂␃␄␅␆␇␈␉␊␋␌␍␎␏ < 1442085042 736052 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Say, does C# let you do call-with-current-continuation? < 1442085048 94057 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to invent a programming language to write the MTG rules with < 1442085094 144765 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :As far as I can tell if a card's type is "Land Creature Instant" then it let you to play it as a land but then it remains in your hand when you play it, but it still uses up the one land per turn but you cannot tap it for mana or whatever < 1442085096 133800 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: http://ra3s.com/wordpress/dysfunctional-programming/a-little-callcc-in-csharp/ < 1442085109 366600 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: good luck figuring out how some of the rules work. There's cases I don't know, though you can ask people who are much better in rules than I am. < 1442085130 85233 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But I'm still proud of that one rules hole I found that was acknowledge by wizards.) < 1442085141 284768 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: what was it? < 1442085150 748631 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wiat, if you can do it in c# then you can do it in VB! < 1442085155 692107 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if the type is just "Instant Creature" then it is cast like a instant but can have power/toughness like a creature so effects that refer to it when not in play can still consider it as a creature card and so on < 1442085169 602646 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren_: Well, in VB.NET anyways you could I suppose < 1442085175 527256 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :eaxtly < 1442085230 285506 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Patron of the Akki with Boros Recruit offered. The hole was patched at about Morningtide, and they replied to my post acknowledging that they knew it from me. < 1442085238 557475 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, VB.NET doesn't have all features of the runtime < 1442085256 21645 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not a given that something doable in C# is doable in VB.NET < 1442085256 238169 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: what used to happen? undefined behaviour? < 1442085260 450509 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1442085262 654646 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :✓✔✕✖✗✘ < 1442085271 457213 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also for a time, C# didn't either. I don't know if that's still true) < 1442085271 905347 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes < 1442085275 719512 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I think it is) < 1442085308 709662 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/Morningtide/Eventide/ < 1442085317 401151 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I noticed it because of the hybrids in Shadowmoor < 1442085321 211782 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: oh, "difference in mana costs" with hybrid < 1442085337 167058 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :strangely, neither card has rulings < 1442085355 897706 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd think they'd at least clarify what the interaction was on one of the cards that made you think about this < 1442085359 305427 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(probably on the offering cards) < 1442085363 769954 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm reasonably sure C# still doesn't let you use every possible feature of... crap, what's it called. < 1442085369 86381 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CIL. < 1442085385 979522 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then program in CIL < 1442085387 417257 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what happens nowadays? < 1442085392 895058 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :CLR is the runtime < 1442085405 483809 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :CIL is the intermediate language < 1442085473 952559 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1442085486 691376 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the new ruling is what I wouldn't affect: if you reduce a cost by {W/R}, you can choose to reduce it by {W} or {R}. (You can remove a {1} when you reduce by {W}, as before.) < 1442085522 351728 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is a bit counterintuitive, but it's similar to how adding the mana cost of a card to your mana pool works (and used to work always, before this ruling). < 1442085540 890710 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you add {W/R} to your mana pool? < 1442085553 476544 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: no, when an effect would add it, you choose to add {W} or {R} < 1442085557 440565 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: yes, you get either W or R < 1442085605 787270 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a very rare effect thoguh < 1442085661 464760 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Charmed Pendant and Elemental Resonance has such an effect < 1442085709 323662 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably fewer cards have it than offering, but of course everyone is trying to forget the bad cards from Kamigawa block < 1442085713 972663 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Including me. < 1442085735 54512 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The rules and infrastructure can't forget them though, they have to support flip cards and such. < 1442085776 361944 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mind you, flip cards don't really cause that much additional trouble that you wouldn't have from morph and double-faced cards anyway, so it's not a big deal. < 1442085800 93762 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to practice networking < 1442085803 230436 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone have any ideas? < 1442085824 14649 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think flip cards still suck in Gatherer though, they're handled inconsistently in two ways dependin on which flip card. < 1442085846 248003 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: um, which meaning of "networking" < 1442085852 553812 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :socketry < 1442085873 177767 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a nerd, I can't do networking in a social context xD < 1442085920 377926 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe, "socketry" is a nice word < 1442085924 706345 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know < 1442085933 656756 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Many ponies individually made it up < 1442085943 605412 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should turn off Ponify in hexchat xD < 1442085971 878979 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :like sorcery or wizardry < 1442085995 288600 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: nah, it's fine < 1442085999 736863 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Too late xD < 1442086022 944066 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone have any ideas though? < 1442086136 494201 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07ESO Sockets14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=44159 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+123) 10Created Page < 1442086160 871815 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone want to brainstorm ideas? < 1442086240 893722 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :come on come on come on < 1442086248 172818 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's 19:30Z already < 1442086312 284273 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No one? < 1442086450 490123 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-128-163.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION ponders a language in which the way to write a newline in a string is "\␊". < 1442086468 527279 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I added trigraphs to underlambda < 1442086475 97441 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does oerjan logread? < 1442086477 373823 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1442086485 196524 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dislike trigraphs < 1442086505 613141 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, in C and C++ < 1442086513 914730 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :in underlambda they might make sense in the eso way < 1442086521 953793 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :amazingly, all the characters that are awkward in underlambda are either trigraphable characters or the trigger of trigraphable characters < 1442086529 405739 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I just reversed some of the trigraphs < 1442086531 565643 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. ??\ is / < 1442086540 474232 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also underlambda only accepts trigraphs inside string literals < 1442086566 100632 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: is it like dc in that string literals often contain commands? < 1442086577 742068 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1442086584 898477 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd use a code literal for that < 1442086589 417279 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1442086596 985090 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, you're a nomicy person, do you agree with me that 126:12's judgement is flawed, because mixing tier 1 + tier 16 isn't necessarily a @ version of an element? < 1442086597 574280 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.sir-toby.com/nomic-archives/frc/round126.txt < 1442086600 191868 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :string literals are just lists of ints, which you'd need to write a parser for to convert into code < 1442086622 383094 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: wow, you're asking me to make a judgement on a nomic that I'm a member of but has been dead for months if not years? < 1442086644 721174 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: dead in what sense? < 1442086651 565913 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :>.> actually this judgement is from almost 16 years ago < 1442086652 847155 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what is dead, you or the nomic? < 1442086690 416098 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: the nomic < 1442086699 547486 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in the sense that nobody has made any moves < 1442086702 267368 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nor posted to its mailing list < 1442086714 956178 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might complain about this to the mailing list < 1442086719 358944 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the nomic isn't in an ossified state or anything like that < 1442086766 795562 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ok, the other two interpretations was that you were dead in that you didn't contribute to that nomic, or that you were dead in some in-game way so that you couldn't contribute < 1442086775 615064 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, negative hit points < 1442086802 534008 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: also note that FRC basically uses dictatorial judegments < 1442086811 20122 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they /can/ be overturned by vote but it's incredibly rare for anyone to even start one < 1442086819 9917 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a vote, that is < 1442086843 878001 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: oh, you were tripped up by English grammar here, I thnk < 1442086845 247612 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*think < 1442086852 10762 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The judge invited people to point out a flaw in their reasoning < 1442086855 528514 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1442086859 959979 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just doing it a bit late < 1442086865 827903 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't use "has" to refer to yourself unless you're talking about yourself in the third person, you have to use "have" < 1442086870 319387 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus the nomic is the only possible referent < 1442086891 461795 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1442086912 445387 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: not even in a relative clause and nonstandard but popular grammar? < 1442086958 755596 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can imagine someone doing it by mistake < 1442086971 501497 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I can't think of a combination where it would be considered correct (perhaps there are exceptions though) < 1442086977 306604 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm… < 1442087010 853141 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about in clauses that start with “It is I who” ? < 1442087039 692945 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, are there mailing list logs somewhere? So I could see if someone else noticed it? < 1442087042 484796 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: ugh, hmm < 1442087049 352256 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd use "have" there but I'm not 100% sure it's correct < 1442087053 519914 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: the mailing list has jumped around over time < 1442087058 644542 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's currently on Google Groups I think < 1442087062 485878 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but probably wasn't back then? < 1442087095 990681 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the worst that could happen if I post about it now? < 1442087159 237698 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is I who've written a brainfuck interpreter. < 1442087162 999755 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is I who's written a brainfuck interpreter. < 1442087187 75074 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm... I think who's is more correct < 1442087199 164099 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I believe 126:11 is INVALID, because it implies that something is true that would cause a previous rule to be VALID if it were true, and the ruling at the time is that it was false < 1442087224 713604 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: the destruction of the entire universe, but that's also the worst that could happen if you don't post about it < 1442087226 162577 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I say go for it < 1442087334 31274 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: a previous rule says that mixing in extreme proportions always gives you the @ form of an element that's the difference < 1442087342 843931 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I don't think your complaint is correct < 1442087347 161363 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the FRC was great fun, thoguh < 1442087360 810662 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if you want to revive it, I'd be up for it, and maybe some of the older players will turn up < 1442087420 268790 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: was fun isn't enough. did it die in a not very broken state? < 1442087476 754086 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: yes, the state that it died in is that the judge failed to start the next round, and that a majority of players who care to vote is needed to forcibly change the judge < 1442087498 330849 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope there isn't a quorum, but I don't think there is < 1442087506 721479 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in which case I could try to make the change myself < 1442087510 779989 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt anyone would /object/ < 1442087552 902877 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :When did this nomic start and die, in real time? < 1442087565 140193 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :FRC doesn't have quorum, no < 1442087566 930640 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :approximately < 1442087569 20878 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it predates Agora, but wasn't played continuously when it was active < 1442087573 161965 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I could be convinced to get back into it < 1442087583 208834 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I wish it would get more legalistic again < 1442087595 959656 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FRC rules seem to be here: https://sites.google.com/site/fantasyrulescommittee/regular-ordinances-of-the-frc < 1442087621 337537 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm… does it use a majority vote in which you can take it over easily if you revive it and nobody responds quickly? < 1442087623 424933 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, that's correct < 1442087638 662555 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I would vote for a proposal to get it going < 1442087647 791800 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like rule 14 allows us to change the judge via an overrule proposal < 1442087659 637749 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the forum is still the frc-play google group because nobody's changed it since the last round < 1442087721 475972 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: while you're there < 1442087726 832552 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :propose to make the judge not eligible only once? < 1442087744 114781 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1442087749 890293 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 (a) and (g) < 1442087768 563160 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that'd need an amendment, which is different from the overrule we need to get going < 1442087771 769366 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I'll let someone else propose that < 1442087776 768302 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's an idea < 1442087791 173080 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Programming language that works like the Constitution < 1442087800 486991 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't change previously defined things, you can only ammend them < 1442087805 876994 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I'm not sure I can post to the list since I deleted all my google accounts < 1442087808 447267 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but only one way to find out < 1442087841 419444 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, David Nicol won round 315 by default < 1442087850 934088 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :24 January 2012 < 1442087859 841835 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: which "Constitution" works like that? < 1442087869 606966 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm quite sure ours doesn't, neither the old one nor the new one < 1442087873 251441 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: The 'Murican one < 1442087894 377746 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1442087904 698355 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think that ever works in practice, but whatever < 1442087950 460620 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, non-atomic elements < 1442087986 814273 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: looks like I can't post to the list < 1442088025 256660 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tier 1 would be atomic elements < 1442088042 466116 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-64-77.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1442088044 49912 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: huh, there's been play since I was subscribed there, too < 1442088052 606861 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I'm not resurrecting the FRC because Google :-( < 1442088095 715330 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: is an overrule even possible? overrules are for a single round, and there's no round < 1442088116 607190 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assumed that we're always in /some/ round < 1442088122 551205 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if you overrule for some particular round (presumably a future one), that won't help because there's no way to start a round < 1442088137 19027 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-64-77.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1442088202 578495 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-171-89.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1442088204 867535 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: do you mean the mailing list is subscribe-only? < 1442088215 850489 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, postable only if you subscribe < 1442088223 514369 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can't subscribe without the list admin approving? < 1442088231 898400 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't you resubscribe? < 1442088245 658833 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I can't subscribe without a Google account < 1442088247 533416 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which I refuse to get < 1442088249 914067 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's been a post not very long ago, so maybe a list moderator is still active. < 1442088253 448807 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(there is also a manual CAPTCHA, too) < 1442088260 931622 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what? I think you can subscribe to a google list from any mailing list < 1442088262 82076 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't yuo? < 1442088273 261143 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that not how these things work these days? < 1442088274 248389 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you only subscribe via the web interface < 1442088277 736878 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1442088280 232289 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and tie it to a google account < 1442088281 12542 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1442088283 481926 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :crazy < 1442088284 692850 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because google groups isn't really mailing lists < 1442088285 584245 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :really? < 1442088294 556843 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a webforum where one of the access methods happens to be via email < 1442088296 653795 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: they're not mailing lists only, but they contain a mailing list < 1442088298 253257 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or so I thought < 1442088318 265046 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they work differently from yahoo groups? < 1442088319 233282 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1442088358 80915 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could try to contact the current judge and propose to change the forum or something < 1442088699 371066 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Quit: buying food < 1442088719 136644 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-64-77.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1442088784 138360 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh. Looks like in MTG tournaments, if your opponent does something illegal, you are generally required to point it out to them; failing to do so may be considered cheating. < 1442088838 893925 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: if you know it's invalid, yes < 1442088853 618409 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes but sometimes you might not notice either < 1442088865 447352 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course it is cheating though < 1442088867 34908 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, in that case it's not _cheating_ < 1442088949 30455 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-64-77.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1442089256 382809 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It also looks like if your opponent asks you a question that your opponent theoretically should know the answer to, you're required to answer "completely and honestly". < 1442089506 262586 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, gotta go in a minute, encode is available < 1442089513 164095 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just need a bit of buffer < 1442089562 74211 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, apparently it's not cheating unless you're attempting to gain an advantage. < 1442089574 47038 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: that provision is interpreted pretty liberally though < 1442089592 599739 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, because lots of things can give advantage in a game < 1442089605 132600 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :even risky stuff that might or might not actually help you in the end < 1442090366 306529 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1442090402 273689 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What other weird kinds of ISA could I make? < 1442090416 859731 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm making one with variable-length instructions < 1442090460 809053 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :make one where no instruction takes any argument, and each instruction works by modifying the program itself < 1442090473 877548 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interesting... < 1442090476 146839 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there's no control flow but unconditional gotos that jump a set distance < 1442090478 35337 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll record that idea < 1442090500 209531 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm making the TaurusVM a set of virtual machines that each do different things < 1442090500 389061 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(trying to find a space that esolangs have played in but that hasn't lead to a TC language yet) < 1442090522 78425 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What should I do for the binary format? < 1442090527 756472 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For TaurusVM in general? < 1442090549 807534 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Currently it starts with a null-terminated identifier string that tells it which VM and wich version to use < 1442090561 261745 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Followed by a flat binary < 1442090584 883341 :evalj!~jeval@BC066B86.catv.pool.telekom.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1442090592 235104 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: that seems sensilbe < 1442090601 393002 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you might want a fixed header so that tools like file(1) can recognise it < 1442090627 902517 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you mean a fixed header? < 1442090778 207530 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I also make an archive format? < 1442090788 347052 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could use ELF. < 1442090793 295194 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could < 1442090798 1860 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OR I could invent my own xD < 1442091063 816173 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think a flat binary will do < 1442091103 789491 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you need multiple parts, one way is Hamster archive format, although there are other ways too < 1442091132 15538 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.77.165 JOIN :#esoteric < 1442091138 718701 :x10A94!~x10A94@178.252.73.97 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1442091352 440238 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1442091376 622987 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll just go with Flat Binary and will change it in the final release if I feel like it < 1442091605 99372 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-64-77.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1442091621 298414 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-64-77.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1442092143 206754 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, for people who like silly Magic decks, starcitygames is reporting that a 60-card Modern deck including 24 basic Islands and 20 basic Swamps came 4th at a WMCQ < 1442092155 88960 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the editor added notes saying that he thought someone might be trolling them < 1442092181 377199 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1442092185 635593 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What're the other 16 cards? < 1442092196 382846 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to find evidence here < 1442092216 510386 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 dismal backwater, 3 fairie conclave, 4 reliquary tower, 2 zombie infestation, 4 treasure hunt < 1442092237 522364 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the columnist thought that the dismal backwaters were evidence that the deck was an intentional troll attempt) < 1442092296 134654 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately the scg column doesn't say /which/ WMCQ it was < 1442092305 472816 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1442092428 20500 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That... can't possibly be anything but a troll attempt. < 1442092445 685632 :J_Arcane_!~chatzilla@37-219-122-163.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1442092446 47260 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe someone literally played it, but even so. < 1442092451 72384 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed, it's clearly a troll attempt < 1442092473 620806 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the question is whether someone was trolling the WMCQ and got really lucky < 1442092481 458905 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or whether someone was trolling starcitygames and they fell for it < 1442092488 889459 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :?8nod* < 1442092489 67155 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1442092492 164049 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*nod < 1442092521 538077 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that deck does at least have a clear win condition < 1442092563 786230 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. It is *possible* to play it and win. < 1442092605 570616 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-171-89.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1442092620 661862 :J_Arcane_!~chatzilla@37-219-122-163.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi NICK :J_Arcane < 1442092650 346663 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://zem.fi/bfjoust/vis/prog_wins/ the most gratuitous animation possible (if you change the sort order) < 1442092670 796480 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: or someone submitted an incorrect decklist as a troll < 1442092680 685563 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I like the idea of showing kettle in reverse order, it makes those things look like the inkblot tests. < 1442092705 574968 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: the judges would have caught it, surely < 1442092734 616956 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I've got the points/colors inverted from what I described. < 1442092763 569980 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't look /that/ much like an inkblot test because it doesn't really remind me of anything < 1442092787 827026 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: only if he was deckchecked < 1442092833 857389 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: My wife found meanings for all three she looked at. < 1442092846 916611 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: someone who reached the top 8 would be < 1442092873 579845 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :strangely enough, margins sometimes doesn't stand out that much < 1442092883 88092 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: they should be < 1442092893 222409 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's an inexperienced judge staff, anything could happen < 1442092893 533692 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, perhaps there should be an {average} for the program < 1442092903 654990 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a card that says target creature gets upkeep 1? < 1442092906 2199 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: btw, what happens if you do a deck check and the deck they've written down is /nothing like/ the deck they're playing? < 1442092916 962113 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren_: tabernacle of something is close < 1442092924 497014 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pendrell vale < 1442092929 714325 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it gives all creatures upkeep 1 < 1442092935 131170 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and is apparently massively expensive < 1442092949 28045 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yeah i think that's what i read about once < 1442092974 685479 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I'm probably going to end up disqualifying them for cheating < 1442092978 904145 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :margins looks pretty :-) < 1442092990 298747 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: I'd think that too < 1442092997 193263 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I can see non-cheating cases where it happens < 1442093001 26144 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not a given, obviously, but they'd have to work pretty hard to convince me they weren't cheating < 1442093004 118398 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. when someone writes down their decklist the night before, changes the deck < 1442093006 566393 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :writes down a new decklist < 1442093012 600590 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then submits the old one by mistake < 1442093016 776653 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can too, but I don't need proof < 1442093027 834112 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :if they say that's why, I'd say "Ok, where's the other one then?" < 1442093035 361032 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If they show me the decklist for their actual deck, I might not DQ them < 1442093055 988969 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I broke the program switcher somehow, which is weird. < 1442093092 428633 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think a fun game with fizzie's visualizations is to find something that shows a graph for all programs < 1442093094 870881 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and try to pick out margins < 1442093099 271837 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to work on margins2 sometime < 1442093105 138273 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd be like margins but with a better win percentage < 1442093114 491776 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe 52% rather than 51% < 1442093150 42927 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also, I approve of "vaguely yellowish" as a colour description) < 1442093227 294156 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: err, according to this list, ais523.monolith doesn't draw with itself on every tape length < 1442093245 161325 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the list of program names is getting screwed up somehow < 1442093293 240547 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :reproduction: refresh the page, then select monolith from the program list, then choose to sort by points < 1442093319 980190 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I broke the program selector when flipping the points, which was an impressive screw-up. < 1442093328 105063 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right < 1442093334 668786 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the wrong program is selected < 1442093338 130712 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so you get a different set of results < 1442093353 881929 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. Well, technically, what I broke was to freeze the colors of each grid square. < 1442093389 527344 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, so what we can do is look at the programs, and the one that draws with everything is margins < 1442093526 953128 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it's pretty yellowish. < 1442093782 188097 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the original idea of margins was "win on tape length 10, draw everything else" < 1442093787 574449 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it diverged from that a bit < 1442093806 248398 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's still the case that it cannot move to the enemy flag if the tape length is 13 or longer < 1442093886 106706 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.77.165 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1442093906 203140 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-122-163.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92-rdmsoft [XULRunner 35.0.1/20150122214805] < 1442093973 76266 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :GOT THE SET INSTRUCTION WORKING IN TAURUS VM! < 1442093975 827624 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I AM SO HAPPY! < 1442093984 358284 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-64-77.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in < 1442094087 553794 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ALL WORSHIP MY WRATHLY GLORY < 1442094368 637919 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1442094697 114738 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.77.165 JOIN :#esoteric < 1442094714 150128 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No one is worshipping my wrathly glory :,( < 1442094980 889549 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :●←▁▂▃▄▅▆▇█ < 1442095115 576319 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I do something with Shared Libraries for Taurus? < 1442095332 434139 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does anyone feel like joining the Zodiac Working Group? < 1442095336 378903 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could; do you have a full specification so far? < 1442095352 251458 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I have a 0.1 specification for the ISA < 1442095369 794123 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it an ISA or executable format? < 1442095375 854132 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really know xD < 1442095407 658318 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also don't know < 1442095430 320364 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just going to call it an ISA for now xD < 1442095529 577991 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1442095539 220642 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some things are both < 1442095542 643056 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I did it a little weirdly, as every program has access to a 2**64-register array < 1442095562 450320 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So do you want to join the ZWG, zzo38? < 1442095569 153948 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not at this time. < 1442095572 897782 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1442095621 157891 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if I'll be able to get a compiler working when I have: a) Finished the IVM b) Written an assembler and c) Designed a language < 1442095635 499377 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might just be too stupid to write compilers xD < 1442095646 600421 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Last time I checked, only gods can write them < 1442095788 510029 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I settled on a file extenstion for Taurus BTW (though I'll change it if it's taken by something popular): < 1442095789 859248 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :.tau < 1442095844 265355 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1442095854 234564 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1442095917 345776 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How should GUI work in TaurusVM? < 1442095949 835716 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, it may depend on how instructions and how other stuff is working, I suppose < 1442096077 722342 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably < 1442096600 174615 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.77.165 QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1442096727 494598 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Quit: *bubbles away* < 1442096866 151701 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know of any good font editors for vector font formats? < 1442096915 814598 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1442097017 995660 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay < 1442097054 738806 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fontforge < 1442097087 993585 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use it to adjust the font properties because fontstruct.com doesn't set them right < 1442097271 912579 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1442097304 720835 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1442097629 48851 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : So you can say (subtract x) because (-x) does the other thing. <-- also "negate" because (-) does the _opposite_ other thing hth < 1442097736 151628 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :logreading is no fun when everyone who spoke in the logs is absent < 1442097745 607593 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(hi Sgeo_) < 1442097759 231065 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi oerjan < 1442097785 581703 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, so yeah, I posted my complaint to the FRC mailing list < 1442097798 885841 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there one that is still alive < 1442097829 832025 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used frc-play@googlegroups.com. I don't know if it counts as still alive < 1442097874 847152 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wouldn't really know, haven't played for > decade < 1442097941 10013 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well it was a question about a round from almost 16 years ago < 1442097987 585151 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i saw that, i think, i don't think i played that round either < 1442098069 200406 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :definitely not, i was in a mental hospital then < 1442098089 252892 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :same year my mother died < 1442098340 201938 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hmm. if it's _intentional_ trolling, would the judges be able to disqualify him? < 1442098343 47641 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry to hear that < 1442098387 89377 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah! changed the deck and so had to replace with basic lands. could happen, yes < 1442098417 550333 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Roadrunner14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=44160 5* 03Tripl3dogdare 5* (+3042) 10Created page < 1442098457 584351 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44161&oldid=44145 5* 03Tripl3dogdare 5* (+17) 10/* R */ < 1442098540 661171 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically a less funny ook < 1442098555 342356 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :disappointing < 1442098561 377621 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn < 1442098567 642690 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :with such a good name < 1442098587 660492 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, you could have done something with the game from.sierra < 1442098595 463935 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would actually be amazing < 1442098608 88999 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know about sierra but i know about the cartoons < 1442098807 376823 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it's actually lode runner < 1442098819 801957 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i started to suspect that < 1442098844 351340 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not that i know that game either. i'm not much of a computer gamer.) < 1442098845 329344 :TodPunk!Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1442098902 911558 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :me neither < 1442098918 303011 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what format was that? < 1442098928 867620 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that game is over 20 years old ... < 1442098948 449088 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it has Treasure Hunt! < 1442098952 654183 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it's not trolling < 1442098963 527504 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1442098967 668725 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :get lots of cards with Treasure Hunt, discard them for Zombie Infestation < 1442098999 241264 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's sort of like those decks with only one or two lands, for that red card that reveals cards from the deck until the first land and deal damage for each one < 1442099016 360002 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1442099026 316969 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not saying it's a very good deck, and I'm not familiar with these things though < 1442099049 523707 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: an M:tG deck discussed three hours ago here < 1442099059 458020 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1442099063 109933 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I mean what M:tG format < 1442099079 882684 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1442099129 964746 :TodPunk!Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1442099541 205214 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://worrydream.com/LearnableProgramming/ <-- do you know this? < 1442099567 741944 :TodPunk!Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1442099570 160462 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1442100193 78327 :TodPunk!Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1442100596 287100 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1442100684 263332 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Roadrunner14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44162&oldid=44160 5* 03Tripl3dogdare 5* (+0) 10/* External Resources */ < 1442100980 867223 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. What happens if you play Pendrell Flux on a creature which has no mana cost? < 1442101058 731814 :evalj!~jeval@BC066B86.catv.pool.telekom.hu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1442101290 713302 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would guess it just gets away with paying nothing? < 1442101342 270184 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the cost was to balance out some sort of advantage it'd be more interesting a decision. < 1442101431 641076 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or is the cost treated as an unpayable cost, meaning there's no way to keep it from getting sacrificed? < 1442101447 215181 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1442101499 241688 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would err on the former just because the enchantment is basically an attack that relies on it's opponents mana. < 1442101551 521722 :atrapado!~atrapado@unaffiliated/atrapado QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1442101553 533059 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I don't have any particular idea what does into MtG jude decisions other than keeping the game going. < 1442101937 423229 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.77.165 JOIN :#esoteric < 1442102031 738808 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only thing that should be relevant are the rules of the game. < 1442102099 592762 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You need to make the rules into a mathematically format that can be put into computer in a new kind of programming language, if it is mathematical then you can figure out much better what is defined or not, it is much more clearly. Use literate programming to make much more clearly even more. < 1442102314 346918 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is how I would design a similar kind of card game. < 1442102560 430515 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can a flute be used as a blow gun? < 1442102564 681401 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a significant rules difference between artifacts and non-Aura enchantments? < 1442102636 41822 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Mainly only what subtypes are possible, I think < 1442103443 629332 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44163&oldid=44158 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+0) 10order < 1442103575 775246 :kallisti_!~adam@h68.164.28.71.dynamic.ip.windstream.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1442104562 140924 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'm gonna try coming up with a decklist. Put those deck-building skills to use. < 1442104629 291107 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For what format? < 1442104708 947592 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Standard. < 1442104744 850641 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mono red, because who uses multicolored decks these days? < 1442104782 63273 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, I can simulate a draft. < 1442105244 875451 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Cood14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44164&oldid=43593 5* 03Oerjan 5* (-19) 10Some proofreading < 1442105873 621539 :hppavilion1!48237ee5@gateway/web/freenode/ip.72.35.126.229 JOIN :#esoteric < 1442105890 311483 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm back < 1442105965 544657 :hppavilion1!48237ee5@gateway/web/freenode/ip.72.35.126.229 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi < 1442105986 193030 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1442106109 769916 :hppavilion1!48237ee5@gateway/web/freenode/ip.72.35.126.229 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm on we chat from an iPad < 1442106127 110190 :hppavilion1!48237ee5@gateway/web/freenode/ip.72.35.126.229 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*webchat < 1442106142 487816 :hppavilion1!48237ee5@gateway/web/freenode/ip.72.35.126.229 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuckin' autocorrect < 1442106285 200374 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could upgrade by three letters to weechat. < 1442106325 693189 :hppavilion1!48237ee5@gateway/web/freenode/ip.72.35.126.229 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not my iPad < 1442106585 627341 :hppavilion1!48237ee5@gateway/web/freenode/ip.72.35.126.229 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1442106605 850862 :darkl0ck_!~v1rtuehea@TOROON2634W-LP130-02-1279477922.dsl.bell.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1442106790 638708 :darkl0ck!~v1rtuehea@TOROON2634W-LP140-02-2925477401.dsl.bell.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1442106899 410920 :mihow!~mihow@c-76-27-244-171.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1442106998 610269 :hppavilion1!48237ee5@gateway/web/freenode/ip.72.35.126.229 JOIN :#esoteric < 1442107029 329383 :hppavilion1!48237ee5@gateway/web/freenode/ip.72.35.126.229 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to invent a multiplayer programming game < 1442107059 600650 :hppavilion1!48237ee5@gateway/web/freenode/ip.72.35.126.229 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Massiveness optional < 1442107080 474212 :fowl!fowl@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-hfvwzvgasvkdabgn PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about a multiprogramming player game < 1442107095 21596 :hppavilion1!48237ee5@gateway/web/freenode/ip.72.35.126.229 PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1442107142 904339 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the difference between a prlgramming game and a multiplayer programming game? < 1442107258 562674 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Presumably "multiplayer" excludes games with fewer than two players. < 1442107261 454307 :hppavilion1!48237ee5@gateway/web/freenode/ip.72.35.126.229 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't Code Golf be considered a single player programming game? < 1442107291 387585 :hppavilion1!48237ee5@gateway/web/freenode/ip.72.35.126.229 PRIVMSG #esoteric :MMPG < 1442107298 311317 :hppavilion1!48237ee5@gateway/web/freenode/ip.72.35.126.229 PRIVMSG #esoteric :G < 1442107303 914921 :hppavilion1!48237ee5@gateway/web/freenode/ip.72.35.126.229 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoops < 1442107377 668518 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Massively multilingual programming golf < 1442107398 219860 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don"t know. programming involves someth like a direct battle between programs for mei < 1442107425 564064 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Multiplayer programming game. Hmm. < 1442107452 195312 :hppavilion1!48237ee5@gateway/web/freenode/ip.72.35.126.229 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like Core War < 1442107503 634605 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is core war not a multiplayer programming game? < 1442107579 12858 :hppavilion1!48237ee5@gateway/web/freenode/ip.72.35.126.229 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is. < 1442107591 895847 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whelp, I've created a deck list... now what? < 1442107609 282501 :hppavilion1!48237ee5@gateway/web/freenode/ip.72.35.126.229 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now you publish it < 1442107660 152223 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And hope that someone decides to playtest it for me and give me detailed feedback. < 1442107667 701515 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have an idea. < 1442107669 666825 :hppavilion1!48237ee5@gateway/web/freenode/ip.72.35.126.229 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://programminggames.org < 1442107684 75100 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll chuck this decklist and make something out of my own cards. < 1442107862 392152 :hppavilion1!48237ee5@gateway/web/freenode/ip.72.35.126.229 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm... < 1442107948 564313 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am disappointed that programminggames.org does not have listings by language < 1442107969 608574 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. how do i find a haskell programming gamem < 1442107984 721054 :hppavilion1!48237ee5@gateway/web/freenode/ip.72.35.126.229 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who knows? < 1442108024 27815 :hppavilion1!48237ee5@gateway/web/freenode/ip.72.35.126.229 PRIVMSG #esoteric :MY programming game will work over TCP and be realtime < 1442108054 564397 :hppavilion1!48237ee5@gateway/web/freenode/ip.72.35.126.229 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could, in theory, play it by hand < 1442108067 604898 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am not sure if i like realtime < 1442108076 418414 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.77.165 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1442108083 496128 :hppavilion1!48237ee5@gateway/web/freenode/ip.72.35.126.229 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it'll be too fast to succeed < 1442108098 599643 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.77.165 JOIN :#esoteric < 1442108161 322463 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am wondering about a programming game rl < 1442108182 755974 :darkl0ck!~v1rtuehea@TOROON2634W-LP140-02-2925477401.dsl.bell.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1442108183 863303 :darkl0ck_!~v1rtuehea@TOROON2634W-LP130-02-1279477922.dsl.bell.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1442108402 703391 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the wiki at programminggames.org has a category named programming games < 1442108406 801520 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am getting worried < 1442108430 103594 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Argh! I have a reason to get a New 3DS now! < 1442108468 783830 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cartridge slot on my 3DS is jacked up. < 1442108550 58271 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :TCP, not UDP? < 1442108789 844463 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Robozzle is still Silverlight :( < 1442108799 366074 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and android < 1442108853 615146 :hppavilion1!48237ee5@gateway/web/freenode/ip.72.35.126.229 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1442109175 375967 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have made a version of Robozzle in DOS once I think < 1442109184 330934 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe we can remake it on QUACKVM too < 1442109290 572910 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.77.165 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1442109320 404199 :darkl0ck_!~v1rtuehea@TOROON2634W-LP140-02-2925477401.dsl.bell.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1442109403 815540 :darkl0ck!~v1rtuehea@TOROON2634W-LP140-02-2925477401.dsl.bell.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1442109588 478280 :darkl0ck_!~v1rtuehea@TOROON2634W-LP140-02-2925477401.dsl.bell.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1442109781 315912 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://programminggames.org/GRID-WARS.ashx < 1442109786 310127 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :brilliant article ... < 1442109897 968377 :darkl0ck!~v1rtuehea@TOROON2634W-LP140-02-2925477401.dsl.bell.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1442110169 577306 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Iashx wtf < 1442110183 248855 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ashx is wat < 1442110239 78942 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that site pretry much sucks < 1442110241 113126 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :too bad < 1442110982 590606 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :As it turn out the scroll lock does stop xterm from automatically scrolling, but the scroll lock light on my keyboard is broke (so I just have to remember) < 1442111376 412498 :bender!~sid123@2404:e800:e61a:41d:96c:7c19:240b:ef62 JOIN :#esoteric < 1442111869 429947 :mihow!~mihow@c-76-27-244-171.hsd1.or.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1442112228 326234 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :My version of Robozzle had some enhancements such as you could have one star that must be collected last, you could have subroutine calls placed on the board (which if picked up call the corresponding subroutine), if any tile has an item but no floor you can walk just once (unless you use a command to place a floor there), and a few other stuff too < 1442112269 689906 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1442112334 173689 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1442112391 752873 :fowl!fowl@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-hfvwzvgasvkdabgn PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anybody ever played bugbrain < 1442112420 412574 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1442112437 48951 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not know what that is. < 1442112513 327489 :fowl!fowl@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-hfvwzvgasvkdabgn PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.biologic.com.au/bugbrain/ < 1442112535 982497 :fowl!fowl@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-hfvwzvgasvkdabgn PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have to build neural nets to control a bug to complete some objectives < 1442112767 539142 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1442112874 816152 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, how does that subroutine work, does it contain the actual commands, or can it refer to the user's made functions? < 1442112893 640123 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The ones you can place in the puzzle) < 1442112924 2147 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: It refers to the function coded by the player. < 1442113017 806108 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The level could also define what commands are available, so it is possible that some subroutines might not be callable in the other way, or it might be the case that only left turns are possible and no right turns, or you cannot set a condition for blue floors, or blank commands are not available so you must fill in all available slots, etc < 1442113689 748771 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1442113711 961790 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hellu < 1442113916 902074 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you play Minesweeper with scratching cards? < 1442113929 463647 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In theory, yes < 1442114033 685844 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have once invented a variant of video poker for use with scratching cards. You have to choose ahead of time how many cards you want to discard, but after you discard each card and get the replacement you can use that information to decide which card to discard next. < 1442114476 360283 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does anyone have any ideas for slightly esoteric ISAs? < 1442114494 802955 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something about the same level of esotericness as my variable-length instruction VM < 1442114577 951963 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone has in their user page in esolang some stuff about VAX instructions, some of which are variable-length, and they have other ideas too, some of which are too strange to probably make real VAX systems like. < 1442114792 436853 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's VAX again? < 1442114869 572513 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is a old kind of computer machine. < 1442114876 194134 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The VAX was a popular CISC architecture from DEC, and used to be the standard thing you'd run Unix on. < 1442114903 427907 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was also more-or-less the 32-bit version of the PDP-11. < 1442114922 561259 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some of the instructions are a bit strange, and the user page in esolang wiki mentioning it also has a list of even more strange extensions for VAX which do not exist. < 1442115018 908904 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I figured it out xD < 1442115036 981026 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found the page, too < 1442115057 431735 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now that I have VLA instructions, should I add an EXEC instruction? < 1442115064 862568 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, no, that'd mess up bit length < 1442115197 943186 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do the FRC Regular Ordinances have to specify that The Judge is not eligible twice? < 1442115273 527381 :bender!~sid123@2404:e800:e61a:41d:96c:7c19:240b:ef62 QUIT :Changing host < 1442115273 746174 :bender!~sid123@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 JOIN :#esoteric < 1442115327 283031 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"(d)When a valid rule is posted, the author's eligibility is extended to 14 days after its posting, and e receives an authorship cap if e does not already have one. Also, if more than 14 days have elapsed since the start of the round, then every other eligible member with an authorship cap has eir eligibility extended to a minimum of 4 days after the rule's posting, to give em adequate time to respond." < 1442115331 996660 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This looks easy to game < 1442115922 882140 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that looks like they added it after my time < 1442115927 803288 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1442116070 647714 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah "They do change, of course, evolving in response to discovered flaws or other changes, such as the extension of the game timetable to using two-week timeouts in response to the professional maturation of the players, and the introduction of automatic extensions, which changes not only prevent sniping races but also usually gives a solid break between rounds." < 1442116132 909520 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1442116543 393698 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have seen some different Minesweeper variants and I have some of my own ideas too. I listed some at: http://zzo38computer.org/textfile/miscellaneous/mines < 1442116595 268990 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :My mind was blown by the first one honestly. < 1442117179 818037 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, knights do have eight adjacent squares < 1442117427 50384 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it does. This is a variant I have actually seen though. < 1442117904 742055 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a standard METAR code to mean no data can be received? < 1442118276 4520 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I have heard of a wraparound mode for Minesweeper that exists on a torus < 1442118627 354893 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.77.165 JOIN :#esoteric < 1442120820 373063 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hexasweeper < 1442121466 837774 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yoursweeper < 1442121516 753680 :fowl!fowl@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-hfvwzvgasvkdabgn PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oursweeper < 1442121655 960808 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wesweeper < 1442121713 294388 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.77.165 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1442121732 35312 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Minesweeper+ < 1442121734 659 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ < 1442121737 710815 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Minesweeper# < 1442122121 914949 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeterminant;0.5        < 1442122131 992886 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The first Taurus program ever written :,) < 1442122460 976537 :bender!~sid123@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 PRIVMSG #esoteric :guy is zero indexing better or one indexing? < 1442122470 952278 :bender!~sid123@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like < 1442122474 548545 :bender!~sid123@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what would you prefer? < 1442122491 706730 :bender!~sid123@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm writing a draft for an esolang, so just wanted some thoughts < 1442122866 105093 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.5 indexing < 1442122949 455325 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Index from ε₀ < 1442122960 415900 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would prefer zero based indexing < 1442122972 845885 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also prefer zero-based indexing < 1442122973 725763 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But for some purpose one based works better. < 1442122985 334449 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 based < 1442122990 750606 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Based on Pythonic list comprehension < 1442122993 680966 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But if you have macros, you could use macros to make one-based) < 1442122997 939551 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where negative numbers reference from the end < 1442123019 787434 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least in BASIC (and I think also Pascal) you can use whatever range you want, so you can start at -3 if you want (I have used this) < 1442123046 792632 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bender: I would recommend you use 0-based indexing while allowing indexes to be any floating-point integer xD < 1442123073 664607 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would much simplify insertion, certainly < 1442123085 467332 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren_: Good point < 1442123102 589824 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bender: What's the esolangs esokernel? < 1442123107 334615 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to put somthing between a[0] and a[1] just do a[0.5] = 234 < 1442123131 421493 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :NEW TERM: esokernel: noun: The part of an Esolang that is esoteric < 1442123140 458800 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(e.g. LOLCODE's esokernel is LOLSPEAK) < 1442123151 44334 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if we pretend LOLCODE is an esolang in the first place) < 1442123173 586275 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: What did you use the -3 for? < 1442123214 409540 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember what number I used exactly, but I have used negative numbers in the range, as well as using positive numbers greater than 1 for the start. < 1442123249 817272 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why? < 1442123261 218377 :bender!~sid123@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], It's inspired for Befunge, Brainfuck and Underload < 1442123266 150624 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forget what I used it for < 1442123268 729615 :bender!~sid123@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm uploading the second draft now < 1442123273 689507 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: Wiisweeper < 1442123276 877484 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yuy bender! < 1442123286 578203 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :To the wiki you mean? < 1442123498 31783 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: WTF there's a link on your talk page with the gopher protocol < 1442123635 71994 :bender!~sid123@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://benderx2.github.io/R3X/pematt/spec.txt < 1442123637 629262 :bender!~sid123@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ < 1442123643 591369 :bender!~sid123@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], no lol < 1442123654 9675 :bender!~sid123@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's too prototype to be added to the wiki atm < 1442123672 575421 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1442123693 424400 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bender: I'm making an ISA/Executable thing/machine language/whatever :) < 1442123708 852969 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I'm going to make an assembly language for it. < 1442123709 596924 :sc00fy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1442123718 94631 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if all goes well, I'll make a compiler :) < 1442123726 412466 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure why I'm telling you this directly xD < 1442123753 579785 :bender!~sid123@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've also made my own little ISA. < 1442123758 136428 :bender!~sid123@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And a programming language for it. < 1442123770 316567 :bender!~sid123@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://benderx2.github.io/R3X/ < 1442123793 606191 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cool < 1442123796 73146 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1442123828 472246 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I created the Zodiac Working Group as an edeavor to create actual, useful languages with just a /hint*/ of estericism :) < 1442123892 718373 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*esotericism < 1442123956 464737 :bender!~sid123@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 PRIVMSG #esoteric :esoterrorism - The act of writing a high level language -> Esoteric lang translator, writing a useful program in that high level language and when someone asks for the source, convert that high level language to esolang of your choice, and giving that as source. < 1442123958 83232 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dear god your VM and language is amazing < 1442123979 937931 :bender!~sid123@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], eh. it's quite alpha. and has bugs and stuff atm. < 1442123986 272919 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dynamic linking? Multithreading? I'm NEVER going to get there ;-; < 1442124007 989713 :bender!~sid123@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it just involves parsing file headers. < 1442124015 359841 :bender!~sid123@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and loading them into memory. < 1442124015 543154 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have recently designed the VM but only with an assembler no other programming language is available. < 1442124020 996953 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What did you do for the executable format? < 1442124031 122866 :bender!~sid123@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], my own. < 1442124059 11070 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bender: I got that. Mine uses a short null-terminated string as a header followed by a flat binary. Do you know of a better way to do it? < 1442124064 357275 :bender!~sid123@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/Benderx2/R3X/blob/master/src/include/r3x_format.h <- that is mostly it. < 1442124068 976983 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does your file format work as an archive? < 1442124075 747272 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or does it just include code? < 1442124078 109817 :bender!~sid123@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], I'm trying for that. < 1442124087 941950 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What language is the VM in? < 1442124096 890489 :bender!~sid123@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 PRIVMSG #esoteric :C < 1442124104 857089 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: Yes there is a link on my talk page with the gopher protocol. Currently that link does not work, although I intend to fix it soon enough < 1442124112 31471 :bender!~sid123@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1442124116 363534 :bender!~sid123@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 PRIVMSG #esoteric :badly-written C :D < 1442124119 652904 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1442124127 443092 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mine is being written in... python < 1442124132 337244 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As a prototype, of course xD < 1442124146 129332 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also used C < 1442124155 489160 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The final version will be either ASM, C, or C++-based < 1442124156 321463 :bender!~sid123@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, python's a pretty nice language to work your prototypes in < 1442124207 218035 :bender!~sid123@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 PRIVMSG #esoteric :less bullshitting around with petty stuff like pointers, random linking errors, etc. < 1442124207 620500 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My VM has the added feature of variable argument length for instructions < 1442124254 52534 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The instruction format is <2 byte instruction><1 byte argument length indicator>* < 1442124280 437674 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/8-byte instructions/8-byte arguments/ < 1442124375 790503 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :TaurusVM is going to actually support multiple different ISAs < 1442124382 949879 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :With different coolnesses < 1442124396 459260 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have any suggestions for esoteric qualities to mix into an ISA? < 1442124435 467907 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The one I designed uses 16-bit memory cells and the instruction format (including argument formats) is included in the same cell with the instruction < 1442124477 424676 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1442124480 134946 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are 32 opcodes, and each instruction has exactly three arguments, as well as a result and a predicate < 1442124506 35171 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Did you just do flat binary? < 1442124521 427232 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what suggestion for esoteric qualities to mix into an ISA, but one of my ideas has been you don't need a separate jump instruction if you just do move instruction with PC as the register. < 1442124538 980381 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have thought of that < 1442124542 440912 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: Almost; I have a number of banks, each one has the length followed by raw data < 1442124560 891940 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But my goal with the ZWG is to use the esoteric to make programming easier/more fun, not harder < 1442124562 5508 :bender!~sid123@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like encoding instructions for some reason lol @ x86. < 1442124567 576134 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sort of like Perl < 1442124584 149578 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not find it harder though < 1442124598 16963 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :With the PC as a register? < 1442124608 326331 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, a good language won't let you tell the difference < 1442124621 185549 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, with the PC as a register. Same to return from subroutine you just make "POP PC" or whatever < 1442124641 206931 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe you need to also tell it which register is used as the stack pointer too < 1442124668 830131 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it just seems to me like I should use *just* enough esoteric that it doesn't force the user to mess with things to do basic tasks < 1442124703 646920 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was a very hard sentence to phrase, and I still don't like the way it came out < 1442124706 982383 :bender!~sid123@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had this urge to write a minimal x86 emulator, after I experimented a bit around with GNU as, and ndisasm. I thought I would write instructions and feed it to as, which I would then disassemble with ndisasm, hence I would be able to find values for opcodes for each instruction. < 1442124714 822188 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have also had idea that you don't need immediate addressing mode either; use indirect register with postincrement mode (such can also be used to pop from stack too). < 1442124721 180416 :bender!~sid123@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Turned out, the x86 encoding is like brainfuck, just 2 steps ahead. < 1442124788 907472 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bender: Do you have any ideas for weird, but not restricting, ISAs < 1442124791 271462 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1442124804 405577 :bender!~sid123@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 PRIVMSG #esoteric :all stack based ISAs sound weird to me. :) < 1442124818 536798 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They are pretty strange < 1442124834 5816 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :MY isa's prototype is actually map-based < 1442124840 42788 :bender!~sid123@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it depends really < 1442124872 387015 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :My ideas do not restrict; they make it less restrictive. < 1442124878 966811 :bender!~sid123@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I learned assembly through register based, and so when I learned about stack based machines, my first reaction was: "Hey I need to store my result somewhere less volatile!" < 1442124912 721845 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Excellent point < 1442124948 50301 :bender!~sid123@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although turned out you don't really need to, it just works like that. but still, it sounds weird to me. < 1442124982 606868 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could we use some _other_ DS for a machine? < 1442124989 576445 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like a Tree-Based VM? < 1442125007 647661 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Forth you can use ! command to store the result, and @ to read it back, so you can use such thing even in stack-base machine < 1442125019 826983 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you have two-bits addressing mode then you might have: R, [R], [R++], [[R++]]. And then if you have fifteen registers, you have then six bits in total for each operand. < 1442125060 528314 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like TreeVM < 1442125075 787857 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I think these would be the most useful addressing modes, especially if stack pointer and program counter are also some of the sixteen registers) < 1442125166 32016 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bender: You wouldn't happen to feel like joining the ZWG, would you? < 1442125175 13741 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also had idea, one of the bits of the instruction word can be used to tell it whether or not the instruction affects flags < 1442125177 846723 :bender!~sid123@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's that? < 1442125204 232046 :bender!~sid123@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZWG? < 1442125279 689917 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bender: The Zodiac Working Group: Dedicated to producing useful languages with just a /hint*/ of the esoteric < 1442125378 719953 :bender!~sid123@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure. < 1442125384 59838 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yuy < 1442125386 457281 :bender!~sid123@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because that's exactly what I'm doing < 1442125396 473856 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Including the asterisk? < 1442125404 577086 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1442125418 963125 :bender!~sid123@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Protocol for Esoteric Minimalism and avoiding the Turing Tarpit. <- I think that exactly means that. < 1442125424 124842 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :True < 1442125425 796239 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :True < 1442125443 846918 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Discussion of things when we don't want to do them here can take place on ##zodiac (ex: We don't want to spam the others) < 1442125549 887627 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you intending to name stuff after astrological signs (it seems you started that)? You may run out as there is 12 signs by definition < 1442125657 451659 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: We can also use other constellations and star names xD < 1442125684 694091 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not everything will be, just the stuff that we feel like naming after it < 1442125724 582982 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even constellations there is only 88, but yes you can do others too if you run out I suppose < 1442125761 472336 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: We'll invent constellations < 1442125791 365006 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :With Luna as my witness, I swear I will reshape the heavens themselves to give me more names! < 1442125811 410031 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is struck down by Luna < 1442125815 895834 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Constellations are not the same as astrological signs anyways, even though some are named the same; a sign is 30 degrees of the ecliptic and is a unit of angular measurement while a constellation is an area in the celestial sphere, so it is different. Many people confuse them for each other) < 1442125874 662662 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not confusion, it's knowing that I have ADHD and will likely start more than 12 projects xD < 1442127079 734672 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So... < 1442127226 741997 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still don't understand coroutines < 1442127586 62275 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1442128830 400925 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1442130185 458937 :sc00fy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1442132402 298088 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-40-120.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1442133066 975220 :evalj!~jeval@BC066B86.catv.pool.telekom.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1442133623 759602 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1442133928 301923 :J_Arcane_!~chatzilla@37-219-216-158.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1442134077 309424 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-40-120.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1442134086 206629 :J_Arcane_!~chatzilla@37-219-216-158.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi NICK :J_Arcane < 1442134582 582012 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-64-77.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1442134983 63210 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1442135338 592525 :_leaf!~kdjh@WPIS-74-220-239-66.worldpath.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1442136127 375919 :x10A94!~x10A94@178.252.73.97 JOIN :#esoteric < 1442136404 386403 :x10A94!~x10A94@178.252.73.97 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1442136450 569437 :x10A94!~x10A94@178.252.73.97 JOIN :#esoteric < 1442137861 312558 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1442138039 418639 :jix!~jix@jixco.de QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1442138836 115194 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1442139077 12185 :_leaf!~kdjh@WPIS-74-220-239-66.worldpath.net QUIT : < 1442141926 905229 :Deepfriedice!~Deepfried@CPE-60-231-36-191.lns7.cha.bigpond.net.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1442142435 662010 :x10A94!~x10A94@178.252.73.97 QUIT :Quit: I'm outta here < 1442142850 467758 :x10A94!~x10A94@178.252.73.97 JOIN :#esoteric < 1442143813 378172 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1442144032 424751 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1442144472 438800 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1442145330 625785 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-64-77.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1442145405 108965 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-64-77.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1442145656 32902 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how unfortunate < 1442145806 150429 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-64-77.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1442146205 452823 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1442146506 451947 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1442146666 73108 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1442146997 397041 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1442147509 971911 :sc00fy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1442147524 375120 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1442147591 348901 :jix!~jix@jixco.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1442147782 403622 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1442147875 365267 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1442148617 244709 :Guest84352!~sprocklem@131.104.23.6 QUIT :Quit: [ < 1442148688 737154 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1442149024 610449 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1442149084 706668 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1442150278 496525 :Elite-1!5f760a3b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.95.118.10.59 JOIN :#esoteric < 1442150967 390642 :Elite-1!5f760a3b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.95.118.10.59 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1442151030 81649 :Elite-1!5f760a3b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.95.118.10.59 JOIN :#esoteric < 1442151251 232161 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1442151556 912123 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1442153555 394419 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1442153876 433623 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :could one use a halting oracle to decide the Rice's Theorem problem? < 1442154067 329508 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1442154199 145638 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :some of them at least < 1442154253 169638 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm maybe you need to go more than one level up there < 1442154353 774844 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg! imagine... a programming game moba < 1442154362 605705 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: i think maybe you need halting oracle for the halting oracle too < 1442154405 741110 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you need to iterate to check whether each input halts, and then you need to test whether _that_ iteration halts. < 1442154545 430253 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course if the property you're testing is trickier, you must go even further < 1442154577 980684 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but this would be enough to test things like "returns 0 for all inputs" < 1442154587 568569 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1442154611 634219 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"returns 0 for 0" is simple enough that you need only one level. < 1442154626 2628 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it definitely depends on which property you want to test < 1442154768 445648 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-yuqdnipmwtmgqilu QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1442154788 508074 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does Magic have any game objects which can be in a zone other than the command zone, but cannot be on the stack? < 1442154795 73906 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Come to think of it, can tokens ever be on the stack? < 1442154809 434614 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-xcyossbedoivlmkv JOIN :#esoteric < 1442155872 342370 :bender!~sid123@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1442156082 326558 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1442156170 216412 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :goddammit the neighbors left their dog barking again < 1442156197 7067 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1442156212 6483 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it tends to happen only on weekends now. i think the dog got used to them being away other days. < 1442156870 336979 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could you debark it? < 1442156880 99817 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tempting. < 1442156922 217917 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://lpaste.net/140847 < 1442156968 49851 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may have been a bit aaaah again < 1442157026 823896 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lets you almost do "x < y < z" < 1442157060 375480 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :whew they came back < 1442157116 799648 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: hehe. now do it in C++ as well, with a custom numeric class. < 1442157180 247516 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas, the person sitting next to me is ON THE CASE < 1442157192 539034 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well done on the nerd snipe < 1442157203 874945 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehehe < 1442157212 265970 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I barely know C++) < 1442157238 475122 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :try ruby as well… hmm wait, that won't work, I don't think you can overload boolification in ruby, so you can't make if a>+<<[p->+<]>[-<+>]<-] becomes *0 0 n < 1442160344 758640 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm < 1442160357 456545 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i may have misremembered < 1442160380 654529 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's splitting _that_ into characters that's impossible < 1442160428 692741 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's quite possible, at least I see quite a few difficulties... < 1442160490 452900 :ProofTechnique!~Ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1442160576 222897 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway -> < 1442160580 181236 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Later < 1442160859 625146 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren_: wait, you haven't done the halfwidth hangul letters (not full syllables) yet! < 1442161659 92498 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44166&oldid=44161 5* 03Scoppini 5* (+11) 10 < 1442161850 181864 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plot of the day: http://zem.fi/bfjoust/vis/cycles/ < 1442162046 595333 :darkl0ck!~v1rtuehea@TOROON2634W-LP130-02-1279477922.dsl.bell.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1442162065 564678 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Brainfuck14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44167&oldid=44165 5* 03Rdebath 5* (+51) 10/* Computational class */ Make the clarification a direct link. < 1442162307 477852 :Elite-1!5f760a3b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.95.118.10.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a cool diagram. respect. < 1442162543 210728 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :d3? Eeek. < 1442162886 384849 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, the summaries are just ~200 kB. < 1442163021 167874 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1442163165 465800 :ProofTechnique!~Ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1442163208 937628 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ἀἁἂἃἄἅἆἇἈἉἊἋἌἍἎἏ < 1442163228 738538 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.orenwatson.be/fontdemo.htm < 1442163233 667972 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're up < 1442163236 204025 :ProofTechnique!~Ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1442163262 70593 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bonus: ♔♕♖♗♘♙☢☣✥✦✧✨❓❔❕❖❗❛❜❝❞❟❠❢❣❤❥❶❷❸❹❺❻❼❽❾❿ < 1442163286 522009 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :great < 1442163342 558292 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren_: demo is up but the font isn't < 1442163360 427041 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren_: please upload font < 1442163365 196616 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :try refresing a few time < 1442163381 853997 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, works now < 1442163382 629409 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1442163396 711156 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :great, accented greek is up < 1442163406 968518 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :browser and isp caches are annoyng < 1442163418 583369 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren_: you can set them with directives and stuff < 1442163445 758308 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren_: anyway, what's next? halfwidth separate Korean letters, Georgian? < 1442163491 751502 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren_: or Hebrew with vowel points and fullwidth Korean syllables? < 1442163497 32393 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :all ten thousand of them? < 1442163529 856719 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hebrew voels points are already in, but < 1442163545 915816 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't figure out how to demo them < 1442163605 893375 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a program that does the tables : < 1442163608 707750 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :u8tbl 0x1f00 0x1f6f < 1442163647 205445 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe an idea ould be to place a character beteen each one? < 1442163655 890149 :darkl0ck!~v1rtuehea@TOROON2634W-LP130-02-1279477922.dsl.bell.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1442163739 623492 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren_: I mean the pre-composed characters < 1442163743 449425 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or are those not in unicode/ < 1442163762 969978 :Elite-1!5f760a3b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.95.118.10.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are < 1442163763 368945 :darkl0ck!~v1rtuehea@TOROON2634W-LP130-02-1279477922.dsl.bell.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1442163897 136889 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm maybe I should just do many of the alphabetic presentation forms block < 1442163898 745009 :Elite-1!5f760a3b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.95.118.10.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is it you are doing? is it possible to create characters by drawing more of them into "one cell"? < 1442163930 457781 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren_: do georgian. it's not easy, but it's at least plausible to use in a monospaced font. < 1442163942 815971 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1442163960 664799 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that does look plausible < 1442163969 882848 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still like this font because you did a great work on the latin letters though < 1442164015 126163 :Elite-1!5f760a3b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.95.118.10.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so.. you are designing fonts? :) < 1442164068 37455 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Elite-1: what? who? I'd never do such a thing. that's for trained professionals. :-) < 1442164094 978951 :Elite-1!5f760a3b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.95.118.10.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol. just would like to understand what is the actual challange.. a keyword or sth < 1442164136 843207 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Elite-1: no, I was just doing crazy stuff like proofreading a font oren makes, at midnight when I should really have gone to bed instead, and finding several mistakes. < 1442164142 103760 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which he then fixed. < 1442164170 118877 :Elite-1!5f760a3b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.95.118.10.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhum. that's so nice of yours. < 1442164194 580692 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that was back when it was easy, with mostly common characters. Now, when it's all big, I can no longer do that. < 1442164208 764792 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even know how most of these crazy characters are supposed to work. < 1442164245 105721 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm basically just looking up the unicode consortium's pdfs and working off those < 1442164272 696773 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, who'd put futhark runes in a monospaced font? Runes that are generally written with a ton of ligatures in most words, that is. < 1442164275 975359 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :poll: should I try evil-mode or neovim first? < 1442164286 174110 :Elite-1!5f760a3b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.95.118.10.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well. the meaning of life is to give life a meaning. < 1442164301 981081 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: use ed < 1442164318 582155 :darkl0ck!~v1rtuehea@TOROON2634W-LP130-02-1279477922.dsl.bell.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1442164381 789864 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :did anyone try acme or sam? < 1442164389 683501 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :the plan9 editors < 1442164515 652271 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren_: why green? < 1442164534 492581 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren_: incidentally, do your line growing characters cover all of the two Commodore 64 character sets? < 1442164538 994871 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :green highlights the new characters < 1442164603 44324 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea < 1442164661 219030 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PETSCII < 1442164710 368500 :darkl0ck!~v1rtuehea@TOROON2634W-LP140-02-2925477211.dsl.bell.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1442164725 627056 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's interesting with the lines that re shifted up down left and right < 1442164740 806444 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :note that it's tricky, because it uses inverted characters to increase the count, so it doesn't have the graphical characters that are inverses of the others in the set < 1442164745 948629 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the circles similarly.. I don'y have those < 1442164751 738107 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :eg. has a bottom half block, but not a top half < 1442164763 677360 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the video card can easily invert it < 1442164771 253388 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :video "card" < 1442164772 294096 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1442164775 687889 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the video chip or something < 1442164806 573663 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1442164821 658982 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have most of them but not the shifted circles < 1442164847 413955 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the JKIU < 1442164876 112660 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually hmm < 1442164882 359269 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait I have those < 1442164928 926694 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :diagonal half block, I dunno if there is one in unidoce < 1442164955 868639 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren_: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PETSCII#Codepage_layout < 1442164969 512583 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is, though that table might not help you find the inverses < 1442165004 905748 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats a triangle though ◤ < 1442165030 42589 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren_: I was wondering because you have had the rounded corner line drawing characters for a while < 1442165037 609997 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the commodore it goes to the upper and lower edges < 1442165065 894777 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like I have almost everything < 1442165275 729901 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren_: do yuo have the left and right diagonally striped blocks? < 1442165353 586858 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren_: hmm, apparently the C64 used a different (but related) character set for storing characters, and for displaying them in the video memory < 1442165363 3296 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(just like modern linux systems on the vga console) < 1442165372 849334 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they actually have the letters in different positions < 1442165376 39252 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.c64-wiki.com/index.php/Character_set < 1442165411 818309 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the normal character set contains control characters for all keystrokes, < 1442165428 955833 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the video memory character set is the one that has the inverted characters < 1442165680 314974 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bill. Sorcery. 2B. As an additional cost to play Bill, obtain permission to play Bill from target player. You do not have to show Bill to that player before obtaining permission. You control that player during that player's next turn. < 1442165734 717486 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: an un-card? < 1442165751 999256 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Certainly a gray-border. < 1442165763 774534 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"can I play the bill?" "uh, sure, thanks". "ok" *places card* "wha?" < 1442165772 863414 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exactly. < 1442165807 512417 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you mean "silver-bordered"? silver is shinier than gray so we call it that < 1442165846 623143 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH JOIN :#esoteric < 1442165906 378182 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://twitter.com/RoboRosewater/status/642771114020745217 - so this is impossible to play, right? < 1442166003 504440 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :could both players play it at the same time? < 1442166085 27575 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm reasonably sure the Magic rules never ask two players to make a decision simultaneously. < 1442166120 824897 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: yes. but MaRo doesn't care about templating, so that might not be what he wanted. < 1442166218 593305 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1442166502 697058 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Zodiac Working Group14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44168&oldid=44075 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+113) 10Created Page < 1442166510 500907 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :WTF? < 1442166517 202515 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't just create the page xD < 1442166570 453203 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1442166776 640814 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's weird. a newly created page doesn;t normally have a oldid < 1442166858 10503 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's probably just an edit message? < 1442166929 357480 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the next version of my font will contain a demonstration of my utterly inability to draw a pentagon < 1442166944 72697 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren_: FireFly: I forgot that I hadn't just created the page < 1442166981 376068 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I'm tempted to work on my fixed-width fonts again < 1442167002 769521 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: what fixed width fonts do you have? < 1442167013 458529 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Python addeed an < 1442167024 320746 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...infix matrix multiplication operator :) < 1442167025 686764 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember where I put them, but I've linked to them in here before < 1442167030 732215 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll see if I can find it < 1442167039 306112 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :matrix() @ matrix() < 1442167043 185149 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should work on a demo page showing my terminal font with various example texts and showing all characters < 1442167046 138242 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: yep < 1442167046 855615 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know < 1442167073 398692 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least all non-control characters, because the control characters can be hard to access < 1442167077 260522 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's always UTF-8-demo.txt < 1442167122 518648 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: I know it's easy, yes < 1442167127 803279 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just lazy < 1442167156 819748 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://xen.firefly.nu/up/pixfont/index.html there's this thing < 1442167169 21004 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know what I can use as example text in natural language (it's obvious: the three poems of which I have a copy on my homepage), but I also need some sort of sample of a programming language that shows off ascii punctuation somehow < 1442167186 556314 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :The other various fonts cover too little to be of any use, I think < 1442167188 747490 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you recommend some example that shows off _all_ ascii punctuation nicely in some realistic way? < 1442167223 325231 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could cover a lot with carefully selected C, I guess < 1442167230 388906 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and I need a lorem ipsum of course < 1442167298 126351 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that reminds me, I wanted to check something < 1442167454 671355 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.orenwatson.be/scrip77.htm <- is this a good example? < 1442167514 634163 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.orenwatson.be/bfim.htm or this one < 1442167564 879022 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm not really. < 1442167588 28401 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the latter isn't < 1442167596 307111 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno < 1442167608 215242 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ideally a sample would be short but contain things like += and *= to demonstrste the alignment of characters < 1442167612 348833 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was hoping for somethign short, but it's probably impossible to get something that's both short and natural and shows off all characters < 1442167668 319925 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm… http://www.jsoftware.com/jwiki/Essays/Incunabulum would be too evil, and doesn't contain a ^ < 1442167691 112317 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :heck, it doesn't even contain a / < 1442167698 823878 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously < 1442167705 769252 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :C code without a slash < 1442167854 60674 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can have a C code without a slash if you do not have any comments, divisions, and subdirectories < 1442167854 628169 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1442167929 664965 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.orenwatson.be/Cdemo.htm < 1442167972 155612 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yep. < 1442168147 757662 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm did I miss anything? < 1442168160 835473 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :$@` are not in C? < 1442168168 960949 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah they aren;t < 1442168184 488321 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren_: you can put those in strings < 1442168198 407073 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And GCC has an extension allowing $ in identifiers. < 1442168204 112877 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right but you can but any bytes in a string < 1442168205 8674 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren_: you need a backslash though < 1442168217 623373 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren_: and curly braces < 1442168224 412160 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Trigraphs! < 1442168233 478394 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, a question mark too < 1442168240 408032 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need a question mark < 1442168249 884651 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You do need a question mark for trigraphs, that's true. < 1442168257 142887 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and apostrophes < 1442168263 422152 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :<% and %> work for curly braces, though. < 1442168287 144330 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: um, not in a font that I want to use in a sane way, no < 1442168322 495122 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :those align nicely in my font < 1442168347 712409 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the < is centred vertically behind the % < 1442168463 455234 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Digraphs are a lot nicer than trigraphs. < 1442168485 782501 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren_: you're missing an end tag for the
 in the generated files
< 1442168488 906634 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The <% and %> looks like nicely in the font I am using
< 1442168543 86678 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: allowed by html standard
< 1442168546 700799 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think
< 1442168661 634772 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :%:include "stdio.h"
< 1442168814 612273 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if(a<:i:>==3)<%printf("%d\n",??-a??(i??))??>
< 1442168825 148874 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Cood14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44169&oldid=44164 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (+0) 10
< 1442168836 57414 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren_: You missed a golden opportunity for ??/
< 1442168860 300940 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren_: add in some pascal code where [ ] { } have digraphs (. .) (* *) iirc
< 1442168863 117724 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: wiat they wrok inside srting!???
< 1442168883 421736 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Microscript14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44170&oldid=43375 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (+35) 10/* Example programs */
< 1442168884 640900 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren_: yes, that's the whole point of trigraphs
< 1442168886 17293 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren_: Yes, trigraphs happen *before tokenizing*.
< 1442168899 691240 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trigraphs are basically implemented via a quick sed before all processing happens.
< 1442168914 581112 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Digraphs, on the other hand, or just alternate names for tokens.
< 1442168946 296595 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, but, if you're on a system where { doesn't exist, then what happens if you print "??<"?
< 1442168977 459240 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you're violating spec: { is part of the required character set. :)
< 1442168994 392474 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what
< 1442169028 958218 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren_: you probably get an ä or á
< 1442169041 636608 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeaaah, trigraphs are Really Really Dumb.
< 1442169043 277691 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is actually the same as {
< 1442169056 584994 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They are literally required to exist as part of the runtime character set.
< 1442169056 907815 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm no
< 1442169058 159838 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :not an á
< 1442169062 588744 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :an ä or an é
< 1442169066 823143 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ic
< 1442169085 203824 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know my iso-646, sorry
< 1442169140 263900 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442170194 157105 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Combine trigraphs with the ternary if
< 1442170356 480540 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1442170465 651234 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the logical or that the standard uses as example for trigraphs -- ??!??! -- is already p. silly.
< 1442170576 731298 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fortunately, that's easier to deal with: %:include  and then just use or
< 1442170793 315699 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442170946 127031 :sc00fy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1442171077 175830 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there should be a header that enables code to be written in 6-bit codes
< 1442171080 575412 :x10A94!~x10A94@178.252.73.97 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1442171142 468013 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like ECMA-1
< 1442171228 595785 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait you'd need something to replace character case
< 1442171655 724293 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442172476 775162 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442172501 97029 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren_: go the whole way and make it 5-bit telegraph codes with shift
< 1442172529 592762 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean 5-bit telegraph codes with two planes and lock shifts
< 1442172752 539444 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's frankly kinda silly the spec permits not-ASCII...
< 1442172793 152450 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: actually there's a proposal that would require C++ compilers to have a mode where they accept utf-8 source files, even if the default mode uses other crazy character sets
< 1442172807 303145 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: but you can't require ASCII because C is used on EBCDIC machines actually
< 1442172817 287234 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :requiring ASCII would be unreasonable
< 1442173175 390917 :sc00fy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442173429 681653 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :SC0000000000000000000000000FY!
< 1442173466 908698 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PART #esoteric :"ENTHUSIASTIC CHICKEN"
< 1442173467 89475 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442173501 113239 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :where is boily been anyway?
< 1442173505 596230 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Canada I think#
< 1442173505 797860 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/been //
< 1442173916 162195 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think boily is live at Canada and I also live at Canada
< 1442173954 936620 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it wasn't really meant as a geography question.
< 1442173969 123176 :atrapado!~atrapado@unaffiliated/atrapado JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442174441 360312 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what... you're in Canada? I didn't know
< 1442174451 155675 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I- I'm so sorry, zzo38
< 1442174454 2316 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I- I didn't know
< 1442174455 301201 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::,(
< 1442174462 620082 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't most of this channel in Finland anwyay?
< 1442174467 975845 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the rest in the UK?
< 1442174478 416128 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty much
< 1442174499 505816 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I /don't/ think Finland is part of the UK, b_jonas 
< 1442174505 49690 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I'm aware, and have had the misfortune of using said machines.
< 1442174557 866848 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm of the opinion that such machines have done more monetary damage than IBM has profited from them.
< 1442174559 644149 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In theory, yes" is the first message I sent when I hold ^
< 1442174560 42972 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: oh dear. when? for banking?
< 1442174591 216947 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically.
< 1442174605 828872 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: in this century?
< 1442174612 477313 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In this *year*.
< 1442174620 212758 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Does anyone have any ideas for slightly esoteric ISAs?"
< 1442174630 184628 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Something about the same level of esotericness as my variable-length instruction VM"
< 1442174632 763694 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know!!!
< 1442174647 578985 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :BANCStar is evil
< 1442174654 907022 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just have to remind everyone for today
< 1442174673 204855 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: But yeah. EBCDIC is a crime against humanity and not only should it be scoured from the planet, it should be scoured from the timeline.
< 1442174673 755804 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: but it uses fixed length instructions 
< 1442174677 437968 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :As bad as it is, it isn't quite *that* bad.
< 1442174687 693001 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yes, IBM's encryption standard.
< 1442174705 219825 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like EBCDIC either, it is pretty badly designed. ASCII is better
< 1442174707 413118 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: but then you'd need much more complicated hardware in the punch card readers, woudln't you?
< 1442174716 133705 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: same
< 1442174722 668590 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Of couse it does. Therer are fucking /machine codes/ that don't use fixed length inscructions
< 1442174742 856769 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the bright side, if I felt like it I could go brute force login all Internet-exposed mainframes and trash them.
< 1442174765 223642 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Amusingly, no, the *software* being buggy is what prevented them from shipping with ASCII.
< 1442174810 888526 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hollerith works for punch cards though, you do not need EBCDIC
< 1442174845 36003 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: how would that help?
< 1442174877 438147 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'd be unhappy but begrudgingly accept a world in which IBM was merely forced to adopt UTF-EBCDIC.)
< 1442174954 584811 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll grudgingly admit that EBCDIC made some sense with punched cards. Oh and at the time where engineers still were thinking about decimal based computing.
< 1442174962 282893 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like UTF-EBCDIC either, that is just as terrible as real EBCDIC and perhaps more so, but at least it allows you to convert ASCII stuff that isn't in EBCDIC into EBCDIC.
< 1442175026 882086 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Yes, although for punch cards I would just use Hollerith anyways (for purely numeric data you could use Postnet instead)
< 1442175030 272803 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Have the decimal IEEE 754 formats ever been implemented in hardware? If so, is any of that hardware still in use today?)
< 1442175036 43903 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: The irony is, EBCDIC *was not intended to ship*.
< 1442175050 995788 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1442175059 830304 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: EBCDIC was a hack extension of the then-legacy BCD junk.
< 1442175067 776432 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those machines *were intended to ship as ASCII*.
< 1442175094 104994 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They shipped with EBCDIC because the software wasn't ported yet, and they never went back and fixed it.
< 1442175109 75265 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IBM literally externalized the cost of their tech debt on everyone else.
< 1442175149 462623 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Yeah, it's not great but it's better than not even representing common characters.
< 1442175150 536404 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: exactly, ebcdic is the way it is because it's easy to read from punch cards. the low four bits are usually read from the lower nine rows of the card, and three bits above are read from the top three rows of the card. and storing letters on the punch cards is a hack when they originally stored numbers only.
< 1442175191 192739 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :decimal numbers. of course.
< 1442175214 18016 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(What else?! I wasn't born with 16 fingers!)
< 1442175256 260522 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: sure. decimal is enough for sorting census data with card sorting machines. surely the workers can't be expected to convert numbers from decimal to octal and back in their head when computers barely existed.
< 1442175262 559738 :Elite-1!5f760a3b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.95.118.10.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :12 fingers for homo sapiens sapiens sapiens
< 1442175327 386101 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have once invented the "FORMCARD" specification, a protocol and file format for transfering form data. Although the protocol uses only ASCII (it is not specific to any transport mechanism, you can use RS-232, telephones, TCP/IP, stored in a file, QR codes, etc), the types of fields are "H" (which stands for "Hollerith"), "P" ("Postnet"), "A" ("Automatic"), and "M" ("Manual"). There is no EBCDIC.
< 1442175347 383307 :Elite-1!5f760a3b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.95.118.10.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i say, let's go for it. let's breed mutatant kids to become autistic computing machines. we need this when the machine will turn against us.
< 1442175365 936777 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whether or not any characters which are not in Hollerith can be entered into a "H" type field is implementation-dependent.
< 1442175397 57944 :Elite-1!5f760a3b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.95.118.10.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :microfilm, punch cards, mutant kids and john connor
< 1442175408 502786 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION should lunch.
< 1442175450 863768 :Elite-1!5f760a3b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.95.118.10.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and maybe a poster of kylie minoque to give life a meaning)
< 1442175515 177772 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remembered I had stuff also for calculations, expandable fields, formatting (for printout or HTML or whatever), barcodes, namespace URIs, and some others
< 1442175523 119903 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like this kind of idea?
< 1442175700 352346 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can avoid having to make up a separate form for computer and for filling on paper
< 1442175750 852284 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't you use html to represent forms?
< 1442175962 71540 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :HTML is only if you are doing it on computer in web browser with internet; mine is more general-purpose, also has some more sophisticated features but can be easier to parse than HTML
< 1442175978 277270 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :um no… html can be printed too
< 1442175995 787356 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :HTML+CSS is designed in a way that it can describe printed documents
< 1442176031 113614 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes it can, but HTML forms aren't so good for printout (you could use CSS too, but that still requires you to format it yourself)
< 1442176050 98739 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nor does it allow forms like Scantron forms to be used, or punch cards
< 1442176063 401015 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it still requires a web browser.
< 1442176080 857793 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: so you want one of those forms with little rectangles reserved for each handwritten character, which the tax bureau uses?
< 1442176097 476246 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it requires a web browser for whoever designs the forms and prints them,
< 1442176107 317384 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :not for the people who get the printed form and fill it with handwriting
< 1442176110 328124 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442176148 469821 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, one box per character is also a way to format them, but the formatting should be independent
< 1442176198 111514 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :FORMCARD is design a common protocol instead; you can have them convert to HTML or DVI or whatever, and even if you want, to convert the HTTP post data back into FORMCARD data on the back end, although these are only some possibilities, not all.
< 1442176283 777659 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :FORMCARD supports formatting hints, but rather the hint specifies stuff like "important" or "required" or "office use only" or which fields should be grouped together in rows/columns, not such things as how exactly it looks like or the font size or color or anything like that.
< 1442176627 840455 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another possible form layout you might use is if you have the boxes to write each character and underneath also the circles you can fill in and the computer will scan it; you could use Hollerith or Postnet for filling in such things, is one way
< 1442176689 941076 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm… not sure the tax bureau would like if I used Hollerith to fill my tax forms. And how'd I even type the "á" in the name or address?
< 1442176763 422837 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly you first have to apply for an ascii name.
< 1442176781 720586 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or move)
< 1442176796 922963 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did not say the tax bureau (or anyone else) has to use it
< 1442176815 264850 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: there might be a boostrapping problem there, I might need to write my old name to apply for a new one.
< 1442176829 695163 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just like, they don't have to use HTML, they don't have to use FORMCARD either.
< 1442176853 695337 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION still has trouble distinguishing between zzo38 discussing established standards and zzo38 discussing his own pet projects.
< 1442176874 654537 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: you don't say
< 1442176878 28734 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: sure. they use that crazy java-based form filling program instead, and then refuse to help people when the program has a bug and doesn't allow entering their valid data.
< 1442177095 977233 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But at least you can extract the html version of the guide from the java program (just unzip it), whereas otherwise it's available only as a pdf.
< 1442177124 403901 :sc00fy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1442177125 779066 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't have to use Java either, clearly
< 1442177136 523654 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should do that automatically for all their forms and put the htmls up on the web so that people or web crawlers can access the html versions.
< 1442177142 284327 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I checked, their license allows it.
< 1442177158 112775 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It says I can redistribute their guides in unmodified form.
< 1442177170 804785 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I once thought it was a good idea to have an online voting sytem for elections. then I realized if we did that, the top candidates would be harry dick, bob loblaws, and hitler didnothingwrong
< 1442177179 460824 :Elite-1!5f760a3b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.95.118.10.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :y not use .MD?
< 1442177218 314220 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :therefore, I want to keep the election system paper-based
< 1442177233 926051 :Elite-1!5f760a3b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.95.118.10.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :much better. just use one of the hundreds of .MD -> HTML serving engines/templates
< 1442177252 766568 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :markdown is total and complete shit that's why
< 1442177276 819427 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( you're in a maze of twisty markdown processors, all different )
< 1442177278 804815 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Markdown doesn't seem so good for forms anyways
< 1442177281 616914 :Elite-1!5f760a3b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.95.118.10.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cookie?
< 1442177294 864235 :Elite-1!5f760a3b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.95.118.10.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*yummyumm*
< 1442177323 462277 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :no cookie, thought bubble
< 1442177326 484133 :Elite-1!5f760a3b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.95.118.10.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can even create tables wth | pipes
< 1442177379 52356 :Elite-1!5f760a3b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.95.118.10.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh you want input forms.
< 1442177550 709654 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree to keep the election system paper-based
< 1442177738 524961 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't care either way, because once I achieve world domination, any remaining elections won't influence anything anyway.
< 1442177887 288527 :Elite-1!5f760a3b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.95.118.10.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need the elections just to make the people elect, silly.
< 1442177892 40782 :Elite-1!5f760a3b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.95.118.10.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :;>
< 1442177940 407073 :Elite-1!5f760a3b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.95.118.10.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's part of a good world domination plan
< 1442178061 61012 :Elite-1!5f760a3b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.95.118.10.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :world domination may be overrated anyway
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< 1442178298 75725 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in
< 1442178661 101379 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Elite-1: sure, they're elect a parliment that doesn't have any power. 
< 1442178667 76407 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I don't really care how they do that.
< 1442179682 710367 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442180503 608788 :atrapado!~atrapado@unaffiliated/atrapado QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1442181214 348057 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : It's not confusion, it's knowing that I have ADHD and will likely start more than 12 projects xD
< 1442181224 445181 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : I still don't understand coroutines
< 1442181234 754667 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :coroutines are the ADHD of programming hth
< 1442181260 633607 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're doing one routine, and then *poof* you're doing another instead
< 1442181349 805707 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also y'all talk to much
< 1442181354 103182 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*too
< 1442181522 414988 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's been entirely silent for, like, an hour.
< 1442181695 568154 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another channel is wondering if the reason I am like I am is because my eyebrows, despite their volume, can't express anger
< 1442181908 598289 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :try applying war paint hth
< 1442182016 543905 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what
< 1442182031 682648 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the way I am includes rarely expressing anger)
< 1442182164 356060 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also includes voluminous but calm eyebrows?
< 1442182171 442155 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes
< 1442182176 65928 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: have you played factorio twh
< 1442182179 788671 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1442182196 50967 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that should probably go in wisdom.pdf
< 1442182198 123383 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I have not, what is factorio
< 1442182216 381308 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :a game where you build and automate things
< 1442182271 344923 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Link?
< 1442182411 743770 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1442182657 322305 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw2-54f80e-20.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds
< 1442182667 462330 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.factorio.com/
< 1442182836 141756 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that looks awesome
< 1442182883 801694 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :We have a multiplayer game going.
< 1442183055 914066 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? taneb
< 1442183065 501044 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, is this the zachtronics thign
< 1442183066 623449 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb is not elliott, no matter who you ask. He also isn't a rabbi although he has pretended in the past. He has at least two backup keyboards with dodgy SHIFT KEys, and cube root of five genders. (See also: tanebventions)
< 1442183142 652062 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` sed -i 's/and //;s/genders./genders, and voluminous but calm eyebrows./' wisdom/taneb
< 1442183146 352385 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1442183149 471635 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? taneb
< 1442183150 163524 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb is not elliott, no matter who you ask. He also isn't a rabbi although he has pretended in the past. He has at least two backup keyboards with dodgy SHIFT KEys, cube root of five genders, and voluminous but calm eyebrows. (See also: tanebventions)
< 1442183179 595249 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ashl: hth
< 1442183187 264040 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: no
< 1442183219 910711 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're right, it's not
< 1442183303 742332 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1442183697 851698 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :*.net *.split
< 1442184971 293404 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there program to send DVI to fax?
< 1442185992 33081 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell int-e  where is boily been anyway? <-- i think he went to singapore or something like that? it's in the logs somewhere.
< 1442185992 252044 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1442186089 95908 :Elite-1!5f760a3b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.95.118.10.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell laura i love her
< 1442186089 276524 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1442186129 7250 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is starting to get the hang of closing duplicate SO questions
< 1442186357 607129 :ayylmao!~kline@unaffiliated/kline NICK :kline
< 1442186399 190997 :Elite-1!5f760a3b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.95.118.10.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are fax services, though most of them cost money. in fact analogue fax services drop off a lot. folks tend to give a fax more credibility like for authenticity of documents.
< 1442186399 814680 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In retrospect, "This program has performed an illegal operation and will be shut down" is sort of a hilarious error message.
< 1442186412 699787 :Elite-1!5f760a3b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.95.118.10.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@zzo38: dvi?
< 1442186412 877673 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list
< 1442186417 695025 :Elite-1!5f760a3b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.95.118.10.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: dvi?
< 1442186441 556110 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Elite-1: Which is pretty goofy.
< 1442186443 89395 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :DVI is device indepentent format for printing documents
< 1442186453 354591 :Elite-1!5f760a3b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.95.118.10.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well. in the end, yeah.
< 1442186458 25108 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many users of Windows 95 do you think knew what "performed an illegal operation" meant?
< 1442186465 715022 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, it's not even as though common fax is analog.
< 1442186485 665076 :Elite-1!5f760a3b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.95.118.10.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is, yes.
< 1442186500 985896 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's digital sent through a modem. :)
< 1442186517 561017 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In case you are at a hotel and you do not have a printer then you could try to send it to the hotel's fax machine. I have even seen a hotel room that has a fax line on the wall.
< 1442186554 289753 :Elite-1!5f760a3b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.95.118.10.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's more like a copy. you get this receipt. and, like a timestamp for the transaction.
< 1442186603 284753 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Elite-1: there's actually a user with nick laura, she might get a bit confused
< 1442186620 111081 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Elite-1: Please on't abuse lambdabot.
< 1442186632 738026 :Elite-1!5f760a3b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.95.118.10.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell laura hi..sorry. i was just testing sth
< 1442186632 915435 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1442186656 795329 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442186672 283748 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? sth
< 1442186672 944471 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sth? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1442186691 209445 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@slap lambdabot 
< 1442186691 390409 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hits lambdabot  with an assortment of kitchen utensils
< 1442186697 418048 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: you were saying?
< 1442186739 913571 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: lambdabot is excluded from the lambdabot abuse rule
< 1442186749 438083 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`le/rn sth/"sth" is short for "something that hibernates".
< 1442186749 618742 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: If I catch *you* doing anything, though...
< 1442186751 767151 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned «sth»
< 1442186764 919033 :Elite-1!5f760a3b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.95.118.10.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do not want to abuse people. but i alwys do that with robots.
< 1442186786 275116 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and thus we doom humanity
< 1442186796 228127 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(again)
< 1442186797 66572 :Elite-1!5f760a3b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.95.118.10.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems so.
< 1442186804 830931 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*grumble* I need to upgrade my OpenWRT router again.
< 1442186814 872046 :Elite-1!5f760a3b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.95.118.10.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but this time it's goin to be a ball
< 1442186820 233922 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: open wrt what?
< 1442186838 463432 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Elite-1: what kind of ball? neutronium?
< 1442186839 527428 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OpenWRT is a Linux distro that runs on consumer routers.
< 1442186850 522774 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fancy
< 1442186855 682742 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only unfortunate thing about it is, upgrading it is not super nice.
< 1442186878 208535 :Elite-1!5f760a3b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.95.118.10.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well.. that's further out than i stand now.. so..erm. probably not.
< 1442186880 895767 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(courtesy of being a "flash the firmware" type of deal rather than "run apt-get update" deal)
< 1442186886 761187 :Elite-1!5f760a3b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.95.118.10.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks for playing anyway.
< 1442186903 640341 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: also i've already constructed unsafeCoerce in lambdabot several times, you know
< 1442186946 134319 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's otherwise quite nice though.
< 1442186956 509384 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's perhaps the least sucky consumer router I've dealt with yet.
< 1442187046 244487 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Did you ever *actually* do it in lambdabot?
< 1442187233 429186 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm pretty sure i got to the > uc 'a' --> 97 stage
< 1442187255 439093 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's sort of my standard test case now
< 1442187263 446926 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*+ :: Int
< 1442187276 277268 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, right, I was thinking of running IO.
< 1442187293 730398 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which I never did because I didn't want to crash it, among other reasons.
< 1442187318 254649 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway they were all variations of #10000, right?
< 1442187331 491985 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah as a mathematician i refer that to the "it's obviously possible" case, then go back to bed with the fire burning
< 1442187357 10839 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i think so?
< 1442187374 86098 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think lambdabot supports the ghci type family thing i found later
< 1442187402 849611 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :being as L.hs is an actual file and not a real GHCi prompt
< 1442187446 268221 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suspect IO is insufficient to crash it nowadays.
< 1442187466 408924 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, the type family thing was different, yes.
< 1442187481 23567 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that only works in ghci, with multiple lines in the same session.
< 1442187485 872866 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1442187509 983932 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's slightly more flexible without Safe mode
< 1442187523 537904 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you can put some of the stuff in modules, and just load two conflicting ones
< 1442187561 827107 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but they must be loaded from GHCi, otherwise the overlap check triggers)
< 1442187599 27110 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think that bug has been fixed yet, i don't recall any patch on the trac
< 1442187706 741224 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: as a mathematician can you find an md5 collision to violate safehaskell with twh
< 1442187719 581108 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be neat
< 1442187739 211089 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :are TypeRep fingerprints using that?
< 1442187810 959113 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm so md5 is reasonably unsafe
< 1442187829 982179 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but engineering a collision by composing types still seems quite a bit of work
< 1442187993 298276 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw2-54f80e-20.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442188191 236521 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: https://ghc.haskell.org/trac/ghc/ticket/7634
< 1442188225 970919 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Note that the description there is probably no longer accurate with the new TypeRep changes.)
< 1442188236 563313 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Well, maybe it still is.)
< 1442188249 767120 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :already reading it
< 1442188328 619519 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The constraints are pretty strict.
< 1442188335 616087 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :A lot of bits are forced to be 0.
< 1442188747 448391 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :my intuition would imply that a large number of fixed bits would _increase_ the chance of collision, by making the space smaller overall?
< 1442188799 661550 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :A lot of bits of the input, I mean. Or maybe I don't follow?
< 1442188829 674842 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If even finding a collision with two arbitrary inputs is hard, surely finding a collision with two inputs with a bunch of constraints is harder.
< 1442188840 51832 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't found the code that actually constructs the fingerprint for a TypeRep ...
< 1442188939 107950 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Typeable.Internal
< 1442189008 409533 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless you mean the MD5 code, which is in GHC.Fingerprint.
< 1442189070 179995 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless you mean the code inside the compiler, which is different but does the same thing.
< 1442189110 429334 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok it's mkPolyTyConApp, looks like it takes a list of the fingerprints for TyCon, kinds and type arguments and passes to fingerprintFingerprints
< 1442189153 531371 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :For applications, yes.
< 1442189171 543911 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There used to be a bug with associativity so now they use a list instead.
< 1442189172 256250 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm particularly interested in those, since they can be built arbitrarily complex
< 1442189200 81006 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :while a TyCon is sort of limited in information content
< 1442189723 3136 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm about to attempt something that sounds pretty difficult.
< 1442189733 425686 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Namely, proving that the infinite cyclic group has at least two elements.
< 1442189756 329283 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fiendish
< 1442189773 829944 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno, I think that's a little too advanced for where I am right now. Instead, I'll try to prove that the infinite cyclic group is not the trivial group.
< 1442189798 38122 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :good move
< 1442189839 55362 :aretecode!~aretecode@50.23.131.206-static.reverse.softlayer.com QUIT :Quit: Toodaloo
< 1442190381 343293 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds promising. Now most people, see, they would just blindly start with the singleton group.
< 1442190536 436426 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ⋄⌷
< 1442190537 298694 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+22C4 DIAMOND OPERATOR] [U+2337 APL FUNCTIONAL SYMBOL SQUISH QUAD]
< 1442190665 500 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :All right, I successfully managed to prove a different theorem.
< 1442190673 140395 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Namely: the cyclic group of order 2 has at least two elements.
< 1442190737 190161 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you use the diamond operator and the APL functional symbol squish quad to denote those two elements? 
< 1442190742 892504 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No.
< 1442191708 608958 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :factorio looks like a nice little df like
< 1442191729 145540 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442191749 32010 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's nice about it?
< 1442191767 743873 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :the goal is literally to make it boring
< 1442191792 349597 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess i don't really get that kind of game
< 1442191820 412978 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the game is good, it cannot get boring
< 1442191830 675942 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :become even
< 1442191868 578818 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really like Factorio.
< 1442191885 39129 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The idea of the game is that you design stuff and build it.
< 1442191906 53986 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: have you ever played df?
< 1442191950 320045 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's pretty much, like, what I do.
< 1442191954 889862 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's df?
< 1442191958 130255 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :dwarf fortress?
< 1442191965 957414 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1442191972 111446 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :then no
< 1442191978 656450 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do it
< 1442192022 153469 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure why not, it's almost 3am and i just had my 5th coffee
< 1442192032 356481 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I take tools and figure out how to use them to achieve goals.
< 1442192052 798430 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is one of the deepest games out there. sadly it is also one of the most complex ones
< 1442192078 735669 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'd think Mine Tycoon would be a boring game, but it's actually about excavation.
< 1442192132 552661 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :By the way, I'm pretty sure that in tennis, scores of 30–30 and 40–40 are functionally equivalent.
< 1442192148 327899 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In either case, the condition for winning is gaining a two-point lead.
< 1442192222 228269 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats Jafet -----###
< 1442192279 877660 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can someone look over Stare and give me suggestions? http://esolangs.org/wiki/Stare
< 1442192316 181044 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :what kind of suggestions?
< 1442192330 853919 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, I have to fix something first
< 1442192332 520656 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just ideas 
< 1442192339 966513 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :New commands, new syntax possiblities, etc.
< 1442192489 653687 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: I like it. Consider eliminating unnecessary instructions.
< 1442192492 697144 :Elite-1!5f760a3b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.95.118.10.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hypnotic dendro-erotic suggestions in order toenslave body and mind
< 1442192537 748274 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: I don't want to make it a Turing Tarpit (or Push-Down Automaton Tarpit), I want to make it a useable, but strange, language
< 1442192539 46634 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD
< 1442192565 302615 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*nod*
< 1442192588 783301 :Elite-1!5f760a3b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.95.118.10.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :consider eliminating relevant instructions then
< 1442192608 19868 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In that case, you're missing the bitwise logic operators.
< 1442192664 358481 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :All you really need is either bitwise "and" or bitwise "or"; bitwise "not" is the same as subtracting from -1. Well... that's if you're using two's complement representation.
< 1442192739 999889 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then you can use de Morgan's laws to get the other one.
< 1442192747 161353 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you may want to just go ahead and include all three.
< 1442192797 870999 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are numbers allowed to be arbitrarily large, or is there a limit to them?
< 1442192830 782531 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ⰀⰁⰂⰃⰄⰅⰆⰇⰈⰉⰊⰋⰌⰍⰎⰏ
< 1442192858 446872 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Stare14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44171&oldid=44132 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+304) 10added a push instruction, fixed up the interpreter description.
< 1442192886 498156 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ႠႡႢႣႤႥႦႧႨႩႪႫႬႭႮႯ
< 1442192889 374352 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ⰀⰁⰂⰃⰄⰅⰆⰇⰈⰉⰊⰋⰌⰍⰎⰏ
< 1442192890 194511 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+2C00 GLAGOLITIC CAPITAL LETTER AZU] [U+2C01 GLAGOLITIC CAPITAL LETTER BUKY] [U+2C02 GLAGOLITIC CAPITAL LETTER VEDE] [U+2C03 GLAGOLITIC CAPITAL LETTER GLAGOLI] [U+2C04 GLAGOLITIC CAPITAL LETTER DOBRO] [U+2C05 GLAGOLITIC CAPITAL LETTER YESTU] [U+2C06 GLAGOLITIC CAPITAL LETTER ZHIVETE] [U+2C07 GLAGOLITIC CAPITAL LETTER DZELO] [U+2C08 GLAGOLITIC 
< 1442192923 652832 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ︘
< 1442192924 788369 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+FE18 PRESENTATION FORM FOR VERTICAL RIGHT WHITE LENTICULAR BRAKCET]
< 1442192929 334720 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ⰴ = GLAGOLITIC ERECT PENIS
< 1442192929 774585 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: The numbers are equivalent to "long"s on the machine on which it was compiled. Or in the case of my implementation, 64-bit integers because I'm using python
< 1442192938 946520 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: *nod*
< 1442192959 410409 :Elite-1!5f760a3b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.95.118.10.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice
< 1442193299 234591 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, I think I'll make the numbers double-precision floating points
< 1442193373 898611 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or in the Python implementation, whatever you call a variable's type in python (as that's how python works))
< 1442193387 658745 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :blarg ?
< 1442193413 590757 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Wait, but what if you call PRINT on a noninteger floating point thing?
< 1442193418 92895 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And what about rounding errors?
< 1442193419 626659 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh well
< 1442193427 18777 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll just use 64-bit integers in this
< 1442193445 460033 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or 32 if compiled as a 32-bit application)
< 1442193450 83405 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode Ⰴ
< 1442193450 812499 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+2C04 GLAGOLITIC CAPITAL LETTER DOBRO]
< 1442193478 620287 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't have been completely surprised if it had been GLAGOLITIC ERECT PENIS. Or, I guess, GLAGOLITIC SYMBOL FOR ERECT PENIS.
< 1442193485 339452 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The latter would be more likely.
< 1442193544 879265 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone should add Ⰲ and Ⰴ to myndzi
< 1442193597 491134 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: can you add Ⰲ and Ⰴ twh
< 1442193830 571921 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Stare14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44172&oldid=44171 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+1693) 10Clarified the syntax, added text commands and some new command(s).
< 1442194059 603624 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric +o :oerjan
> 1442194059 651277 NAMES :#esoteric
< 1442194068 665209 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no MODE #esoteric +b :*!*5f760a3b@*.com/ip.95.118.10.59
> 1442194068 676866 NAMES :#esoteric
< 1442194068 844662 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no KICK #esoteric Elite-1 :Hi hagb4rd
< 1442194105 506607 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :took me too long to be sure this time...
< 1442194114 778122 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no MODE #esoteric -o :oerjan
> 1442194114 785715 NAMES :#esoteric
< 1442194167 316036 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :who's hagbard?
< 1442194214 731376 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a troll who has been banned here for years
< 1442194218 207527 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everyone, I have a useful video.
< 1442194219 487159 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqEzI9rPvP4
< 1442194220 93113 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth
< 1442194301 86475 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lolwut
< 1442194311 661532 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Stare14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44173&oldid=44172 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+559) 10Always-executed line type, Hello World.
< 1442194334 492071 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's an efficient way to find the longest substring that appears more than once in a string?
< 1442194360 892325 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :1) Go to stack overflow
< 1442194368 918254 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: nice top comment
< 1442194369 817657 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :2) Look up that question exactly
< 1442194393 419119 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :3) Find if it's been answered. If not, ask it. Proceed to step 4. If not, continue normally
< 1442194402 893418 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/4/5
< 1442194421 80592 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :undo
< 1442194440 918942 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/Proceed to step 4. If not, continue normally//
< 1442194449 577353 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :4) Copy code.
< 1442194465 145183 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :5) Profit (from the royalties from the application you just made)
< 1442194482 310439 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was expecting a ??? step
< 1442194520 335434 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope
< 1442194525 300497 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The process it pretty well-defined
< 1442194681 34103 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/11853668/how-do-i-find-the-largest-sequence-in-a-string-that-is-repeated-at-least-once fwiw
< 1442194729 533238 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION did steps 1 and 2 in google instead
< 1442194734 877617 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes i did too
< 1442194756 8400 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zkjoqufbixdrjplt JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442194797 207464 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Stare/1.014]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=44174 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+5133) 10Moved contents of Stare here
< 1442194939 537191 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Stare14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44175&oldid=44173 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (-4846) 10Changed page to a "list" of dialects
< 1442195019 628616 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Stare14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44176&oldid=44175 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+21) 10Fixed opening text to reflect the page rearrangement
< 1442195096 21546 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Stare 1.0 design is complete!
< 1442195136 459237 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The page may change in the future to clarify the design, but no new features will be added to that page's specification
< 1442195187 747001 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stare 2.0 will have support for Functions, libraries, etc.
< 1442195192 587452 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stare 3.0 will add OO support
< 1442195532 419302 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Stare/1.014]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44177&oldid=44174 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+23) 10Fixed some inconsistencies
< 1442195572 571664 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Stare/1.014]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44178&oldid=44177 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+4) 10Linked to the ZWG
< 1442195618 810414 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: btw we do have a "Move" button in the wiki menu
< 1442195620 892898 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Stare/1.014]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44179&oldid=44178 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (-6) 10
< 1442195639 42781 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I know, but I didn't move the entire  page, just most of it
< 1442195645 67499 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I kept the opening text
< 1442195653 339698 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The stuff before the Table of Contents
< 1442195657 936118 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm
< 1442195724 742323 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Stare/1.014]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44180&oldid=44179 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+1) 10Grammar
< 1442195849 576681 :Elite-1!5f760a3b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.95.118.10.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin\?
< 1442195850 131408 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat: bin\?: No such file or directory
< 1442195984 233782 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmph
< 1442196026 313001 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric +o :oerjan
> 1442196026 321497 NAMES :#esoteric
< 1442196033 361369 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no MODE #esoteric :+n
> 1442196033 370851 NAMES :#esoteric
< 1442196040 965132 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no MODE #esoteric -o :oerjan
> 1442196040 975514 NAMES :#esoteric
< 1442196050 217105 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sic transit gloria mundi
< 1442196093 600171 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So
< 1442196096 671259 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any suggestions yet?
< 1442196423 390827 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Stare14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44181&oldid=44176 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+258) 10Dialect summary
< 1442196478 810183 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Thus goes the glory of the world." No, that can't be the right translation.
< 1442196529 286474 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, apparently that is, in fact, the right translation.
< 1442196537 467987 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except "passes" for "goes" would be better.
< 1442196666 643345 :heddwch!~heddwch@76.8.3.189 NICK :shikh
< 1442196804 36832 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Diseases are transmitted through Gloria's mouth."
< 1442196844 706437 :shikh!~heddwch@76.8.3.189 NICK :heddwch
< 1442196889 153430 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also: ars longa, vita brevis: "our long white beards".
< 1442196916 612045 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I learned both from something that was in Finnish.
< 1442196920 190906 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Stare14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44182&oldid=44181 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+881) 10Rearranged article to list upcoming dialects (by type system)
< 1442196926 352479 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There
< 1442196963 732795 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm planning for a total of 4 differenent Stare dialects, two statically typed and two dynamic
< 1442196970 312605 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Dumbf*ck14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44183&oldid=8347 5* 03108.45.95.33 5* (+181) 10Added info about first implementation
< 1442197013 699703 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Dumbf*ck14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44184&oldid=44183 5* 03108.45.95.33 5* (-22) 10
< 1442197067 680492 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Dumbf*ck14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44185&oldid=44184 5* 03108.45.95.33 5* (-6) 10/* Implementation */
< 1442197250 845313 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Stare14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44186&oldid=44182 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+559) 10Basic Idea
< 1442197278 250420 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may do more Stare dialects in the future
< 1442197391 377385 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is Haskell's If/Then/Else defined in haskell or is it primative?
< 1442197399 591035 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's primitive.
< 1442197402 976960 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah
< 1442197444 378754 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lu98k5vVP-Y
< 1442197460 829316 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :My best guess at a Latin translation for "our long white beards" would be, oh... "nostrae barbae blancae largae".
< 1442197465 811537 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :When in doubt, append -ae to everything.
< 1442197471 3333 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…
< 1442197475 428967 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I can see then and else just being an identity function and if being a function that accepts three arguments and returns the second if the first is true, else the third
< 1442197501 421233 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Making if/then/else a massive lie that is really just there for ease of reading
< 1442197520 176341 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perlskell anyone?
< 1442197541 997203 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is now shipping Perlskell because he is very strange
< 1442197570 222062 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, let's see what it is then
< 1442197576 649400 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What what is?
< 1442197579 872890 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :in agda if then else is just a single function because you can have arbitrary fixity for your functions
< 1442197580 438369 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :perlskell?
< 1442197600 201994 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes
< 1442197602 323857 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah
< 1442197615 931850 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the syntax is "if x then y else z"; if it were as you said, the syntax would have to be "if x (then y) (else z)".
< 1442197617 208900 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like haskell, but with perl's demonic type system
< 1442197621 678708 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seriously
< 1442197623 37611 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In perl
< 1442197628 768640 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"2"+"2" evaluates to 4
< 1442197686 7730 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perlskell: "He was a washed up has-been who was big in the 90's. She was a bookish mathematics professor. Can love bloom? Watch wednesday night at 9!"
< 1442197691 544169 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can see I have left you in a stunned silence
< 1442197707 481794 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren_: Which is which?
< 1442197725 652679 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's much easier to just have then and else be sole inhabitants of the types Then and Else and then have if discard its 2nd and 4th arguments
< 1442197727 325291 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously Haskell is female
< 1442197741 236678 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you /sure/
< 1442197747 807513 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1442197750 848946 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait a minute
< 1442197758 294566 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're both nonbinary.
< 1442197761 692426 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anything ending in elle is female. it's like, arule
< 1442197766 571881 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1442197785 27834 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought there was a tradition of having if' x y z = if x then y else z.
< 1442197785 656698 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember from when I was learning haskell that else is actually a variable defined to "True" in the standard library!
< 1442197789 369916 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arule, the plural of the Italian word "arula".
< 1442197790 454869 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :WTF is going on!?
< 1442197799 600489 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: that was "otherwise".
< 1442197825 608936 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Really?
< 1442197832 981795 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :GT translates "our long white beards" as "longis albis cresceret barba eorum", which I'm sure is wrong.
< 1442197834 231444 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could've sworn it was "else"...
< 1442197835 639043 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src otherwise
< 1442197835 819995 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise = True
< 1442197842 832656 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh
< 1442197843 76599 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and obviously, perl is a washed up has-been who was big in the 90's
< 1442197845 393154 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src if
< 1442197845 574155 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source not found. Whoa.
< 1442197848 97233 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src if'
< 1442197848 278078 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source not found. Have you considered trying to match wits with a rutabaga?
< 1442197854 909892 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src (+)
< 1442197855 89702 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source not found. Sorry about this, I know it's a bit silly.
< 1442197860 597766 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly the if' thing isn't all that widespread.
< 1442197867 394392 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src (!)
< 1442197867 572859 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :arr@(Array l u _) ! i = unsafeAt arr (index (l,u) i)
< 1442197871 422263 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure I've seen it somewhere, though.
< 1442197878 96745 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src fact
< 1442197878 662303 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source not found. The more you drive -- the dumber you get.
< 1442197887 988108 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src factorial
< 1442197888 168832 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source not found. You type like i drive.
< 1442197892 431879 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src ?
< 1442197892 612733 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source not found. Abort, Retry, Panic?
< 1442197904 480435 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE SHOWN ME THAT
< 1442197908 620610 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src src
< 1442197908 801279 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source not found. I feel much better now.
< 1442197930 421170 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src import
< 1442197930 641568 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source not found. Wrong!  You cheating scum!
< 1442197932 935837 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src unsafeAt
< 1442197933 116637 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source not found. Maybe you made a typo?
< 1442197933 296925 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did in fact get one thing right in my translation attempt. The Latin word for "beards" is "barbae".
< 1442197943 838302 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src (!)
< 1442197944 19222 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :arr@(Array l u _) ! i = unsafeAt arr (index (l,u) i)
< 1442197957 160357 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the Peano Axiom for exponentation?
< 1442197984 312385 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know of any Peano Axioms for exponentiation?
< 1442198010 207641 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There aren't very many Peano axioms, and exponentiation isn't one of them.
< 1442198033 71667 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :WE MUST DISCOVER IT THEN
< 1442198046 785739 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm creating a computer language, vaguely like Haskell, in which you can define mathematical stuff.
< 1442198056 956356 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is the definition of x**y for natural numbers? You are given only the operation S(x) which returns x+1
< 1442198071 208157 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, define multiplication first.
< 1442198083 568579 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, define addition first.
< 1442198098 261558 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then x**S(y) is x*(x**y) and x**0 is 1.
< 1442198113 248853 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :My language kind of has a definition of the natural numbers.
< 1442198138 421404 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, no, now it *does* have a definition of the natural numbers.
< 1442198138 602765 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoa! /That/'s a mistake!
< 1442198154 6123 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good luck with floating-point!
< 1442198157 813908 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hofstadter's book "Godel, Escher, Bach" discusses a programming language "BlooP" and "FlooP", with conditions as well as comparing numbers and addition and multiplication, counted loops, and a few others.
< 1442198171 230788 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :x+S(y) is S(x)+y and x+0 is x. HTH
< 1442198190 87005 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's the definition of the natural numbers in my language.
< 1442198191 183989 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have found that you don't need conditions, comparison, addition, or multiplication, and can define all of them in terms of the successor operation and counted loops.
< 1442198196 233387 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So yes clearly it is possible to do
< 1442198211 897018 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :variety NatNumAlgebra { sort Nat; zero : Nat; succ : Nat -> Nat; }; presentation NatNum : NatNumAlgebra { };
< 1442198244 63002 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Ah, OK. I can see its working I think
< 1442198264 984295 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :First, you define the concept of a "natural number algebra".
< 1442198267 831738 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Although I don't know what "presentation" does, as the example given is blank)
< 1442198283 785937 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A natural number algebra essentially consists of a set, an element of the set, and a function on the set.
< 1442198284 318508 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But in this case it looks like OK if blank)
< 1442198327 833853 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can see all of that, yes, it is already clearly enough
< 1442198379 39762 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have other examples (including some with "presentation" with some stuff inside { } block)?
< 1442198382 88921 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you define the natural numbers as being the free natural number algebra generated by no generators.
< 1442198397 609719 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, sure. Have... the Klein four-group.
< 1442198426 617636 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :variety Group { algebra : Monoid; inv : Elem -> Elem; forall x : Elem, mult x (inv x) = ident; forall x : Elem, mult (inv x) x = ident; };
< 1442198480 1770 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :presentation KleinFourGroup : Group { a : Elem; b : Elem; mult a a = ident; mult b b = ident; mult a b = mult b a }
< 1442198509 384447 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, OK now I can see how that works
< 1442198559 446249 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to see Peano's Axioms extended to defined for all real- or better, all complex- numbers
< 1442198571 270708 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: interesting!
< 1442198582 27444 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: does the KleinFourGroup sing love songs?
< 1442198600 355258 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: I haven't worked out the language sufficiently far that it can determine that.
< 1442198609 854759 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the path of love is never smooth.
< 1442198697 907615 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pl \x y z -> if x then y else z
< 1442198698 88545 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :if'
< 1442198701 808284 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ^
< 1442198727 744479 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's used there because otherwise @pl wouldn't have anything to return
< 1442198733 543363 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pl \x -> x x
< 1442198733 724378 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :join id
< 1442198749 642174 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pl (\x -> x x) (\x -> x x)
< 1442198752 782701 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :ap id id (ap id id)
< 1442198752 963191 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :optimization suspended, use @pl-resume to continue.
< 1442198776 922508 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pl \y -> (\x -> y (x x)) (\x -> y (x x))
< 1442198777 103539 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :ap (. join id) (. join id)
< 1442198797 949053 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: haskell's if x then y then z is officially syntactic sugar for case x of { True -> y; False -> z }
< 1442198818 872508 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Too bad I can't get the type of that expression.
< 1442198823 772127 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@type ap (. join id) (. join id)
< 1442198824 998431 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :    Occurs check: cannot construct the infinite type: a0 ~ a0 -> b
< 1442198825 179463 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :    Expected type: (a0 -> b) -> (a0 -> b) -> b
< 1442198825 179538 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :      Actual type: ((a0 -> b) -> b) -> (a0 -> b) -> b
< 1442198832 635022 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :case is the most primitive pattern matching construct in the report
< 1442198873 435261 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442198893 386931 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, there's a funny thing about varieties and presentations.
< 1442198909 488749 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Theoretically, presentations are redundant. You could just move all of the things from the presentation into the variety.
< 1442198921 510911 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then use the empty presentation to get the thing you wanted.
< 1442199011 69973 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442199015 492913 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOME!
< 1442199022 285703 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: :D
< 1442199026 74550 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :where were you?
< 1442199031 174147 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you go to NYC two weeks early?
< 1442199035 21967 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :chelloppro!
< 1442199039 886202 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, I was in Singapore :D
< 1442199045 862326 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@massages-loud
< 1442199046 43438 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro said 14d 16h 50m 3s ago: http://csclub.uwaterloo.ca/~scshunt/mj-reference-wip.pdf
< 1442199072 97076 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But presentations are restricted: you can only define nullary operators (that is, constants), not other operators; and identities can't use universal quantification.
< 1442199096 287189 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess ultimately, a presentation is a specific type of way of extending a variety to get another variety.
< 1442199098 952966 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: actually that one's sort of out of date
< 1442199113 973602 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I decided scribus sucked so I've redone the top half in inkscape. Haven't done the table yet though
< 1442199140 763724 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"*munch*", says I with a Double Big Mac in my mouth.
< 1442199170 540263 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: what was in Signapore, besides boily?
< 1442199176 949591 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, it's kind of interesting what a finitely presented natural number algebra turns out to be.
< 1442199177 386975 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :vacation?
< 1442199212 455236 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds
< 1442199214 709069 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Namely: it's a state machine, where there's a defined initial state, and some states have defined successor states.
< 1442199229 995091 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If a state doesn't have a defined successor state, it just automatically gets an anonymous successor state.
< 1442199240 231623 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's possible for two different states to have the same successor state.
< 1442199257 959349 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's no input; the initial state completely determines the sequence of states the machine goes through.
< 1442199294 707257 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: yup. two weeks over there under the sun, with a weekend spent in Malaysia.
< 1442199298 684104 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, you're only allowed to define the successor states for finitely many states; otherwise it wouldn't be finitely presented.
< 1442199327 243466 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice!
< 1442199439 652163 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll upload pictures some time this week.
< 1442199475 968832 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wboily!
< 1442199559 201425 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :serjanlamat pagi!
< 1442199906 954006 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442200138 837997 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hellu
< 1442200224 423895 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Helluppavilion[1]
< 1442200228 46617 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Stare14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44187&oldid=44186 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+170) 10Stare 1.1
< 1442200246 448943 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: ZZZ
< 1442200494 190151 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is "Hellu" anything like "Hello"?
< 1442200558 759045 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a good enough appruximation.
< 1442201276 49373 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Stare/1.114]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=44188 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+946) 10Created update log.
< 1442201299 963825 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Stare/1.214]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=44189 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+534) 10Created Page (WIP)
< 1442201330 940706 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm creating updates more as a symbolic thing than a practical thing xD
< 1442201351 114519 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Yes it is
< 1442201358 996310 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi boily!
< 1442201397 717415 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Honestly, the updates are so that the base isn't too featureful xD
< 1442201599 81808 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How is that?
< 1442201605 784612 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Stare14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44190&oldid=44187 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+298) 10Stare 1.2
< 1442201670 380900 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :should I get factorio?
< 1442202323 460548 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: LAGGED CHICKEN
< 1442202509 621967 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So... I've already planned out a programming language and 2 updates to it, along with some farther-in-the-future updates for later
< 1442202526 491419 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have succeeded
< 1442202527 305440 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1442202527 801547 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1442202622 769671 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You say "so that the base isn't too featureful"; are these extensions, or what is it?
< 1442204453 304143 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Stare 1.0 is the original language, Stare 1.x languages are upgrades of the language, Stare x.0 is an in-house derivative, and Stare x.y is an upgrade of that in-house derivative
< 1442204467 608150 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Third Digit Updates are bugfixes
< 1442204475 583430 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And not to be given a wiki subpage
< 1442204685 587859 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :აბგდევზთიკლმნოპჟრსტუფქღყშჩცძწჭხჯჰჱჲჳჴჵჶჷჸჹჺ
< 1442204694 104800 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm done georgian
< 1442205354 367711 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: OK
< 1442205430 995127 :Hoolootwo!~Hoolootwo@d1g1t4l.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :d
< 1442206445 285113 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@vps2.conus.info JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442206513 107648 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to make a game in Prolog...
< 1442206516 782182 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that possible?
< 1442206520 329286 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What kind of game?
< 1442206524 668759 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know
< 1442206528 477391 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't /really/ want to
< 1442206538 881942 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just want someone to do it and then to get the memory of having done it xD
< 1442206543 832377 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know much about Prolog programming.
< 1442206549 443767 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't either
< 1442206550 974638 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD
< 1442206630 979826 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try to see what you can make with QUACKVM, or a higher level programming language compiler to target it. I would be interested to see what anyone else can do with it.
< 1442206878 876002 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see a apge for QUACKVM
< 1442206882 721291 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving.
< 1442206898 3034 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember how to use QUACK xD
< 1442206960 195295 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is no page in esolang wiki or anywhere else, only a .zip archive containing documentation and C codes and some example programs
< 1442207085 421777 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Want to make a C-Like language for it??
< 1442207114 808636 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(There is a Minesweeper game, Robot find kitten game, a start of a Panel de pon puzzle mode game, a Munching squares demo, and a few other small examples.)
< 1442207146 9321 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just used the assembly language, although you might prefer other kind of programming languages
< 1442207325 41905 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: How do I run a program??
< 1442207328 60434 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Need I compile first?
< 1442207355 754268 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And how do I assemble?
< 1442207381 322406 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Do you have a GitHub?
< 1442207395 308905 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No I do not use GitHub, I just have the plain files
< 1442207404 251767 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK :/
< 1442207411 307846 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a reason for that?
< 1442207424 969104 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, GH is pretty useful
< 1442207457 702783 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is easier and simpler to work with and do not require web browser or a git client or anything else like that, you can just download the file.
< 1442207505 323894 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah.
< 1442207522 242145 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :To run a program you run it specifying the ROM filename on the "quackvm" commandline, optionally followed by a disk filename. The provided implementation might not work except in xterm. To assemble, put filename on commandline of "quackasm"; output goes to stdout and must be redirected to write to the ROM file. (You can also append banks by appending to the file.)
< 1442207530 844455 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it'd get more exposure if you were to put it on GH. You could, of course, share it on GitHub AND have it on your website
< 1442207561 743706 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I need to compile the files first?
< 1442207562 513017 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1442207568 267703 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :GCC will do, correct?
< 1442207579 949648 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, GCC will do, it is what I used.
< 1442207591 108715 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1442207591 788969 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Great
< 1442207600 333723 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or just run them with bash, they should compile if you do that
< 1442207634 241048 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately, I'm a windows user for the moment xD
< 1442207651 293833 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So  A) I can't use bash and B) I don't have termios.h
< 1442207666 558980 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you probably cannot compile quackvm.c at all; you could try to write your own implementation though.
< 1442207674 294801 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been meaning to dual-boot with a linux distribution
< 1442207680 997609 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can compile quackvm
< 1442207685 190098 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just not the assembler
< 1442207733 236111 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't expect that implementation to work on Windows. However, you can look at the codes and the documentation and use that to make up your own implementation for Windows.
< 1442207749 770849 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: What is Termios used for?
< 1442207756 871866 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Both in the assembler and in general)?
< 1442207776 735724 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The assembler shouldn't need termios
< 1442207821 724269 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh right
< 1442207823 329208 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The VM implementation uses it to set noncanonical mode
< 1442207839 196906 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was quackvm that broke when I tried compiling
< 1442207856 560153 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a python programmer. Not much C experience. What's noncanonical code?
< 1442207878 211017 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Noncanonical mode for terminals means that input is done by characters rather than by lines.
< 1442207907 521566 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :To use the assembler in Windows, you probably need to add something into the program to make stdout into binary mode (and I will accept patches for it)
< 1442207908 33689 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah
< 1442207916 59556 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK?
< 1442207950 432999 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :While I'm at it, I might as well send you the .exes to pack with it if you wnat
< 1442207955 637155 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :However the .rom files are the output of the .asm files so you don't need to assemble them if you want to use only the existing programs without changing it
< 1442207958 918479 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most windows users are too lazy to compile xD
< 1442207961 670924 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah
< 1442208025 915184 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might be able to do it with... um
< 1442208035 852137 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let me check the python code I copied earlier for /my/ vm
< 1442208053 438174 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :msvcrt
< 1442208095 30854 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want, you can try to make an implementation of QUACKVM for Windows. As long as it is open-source I will agree to either include the files or to make a file that lists the links to the Windows versions as well as any other implementations and related stuff
< 1442208125 771165 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1442208128 537403 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make sure you have the latest quackvm.zip the earlier ones had a few mistakes!
< 1442208129 368349 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't understand C
< 1442208154 149851 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I probably should just use python if I'm going to make an implementation
< 1442208167 209781 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can use Python if you want to, that's OK
< 1442208169 155807 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which makes it cross-platform AND open source
< 1442208182 391003 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you document the file format?
< 1442208196 799046 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume files are flat binaries because you didn't have any suggestions for me xD
< 1442208237 316107 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the URL for the latest zip?
< 1442208239 587540 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note that some features are optional to implement.
< 1442208250 154241 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll implement them anyway xD
< 1442208261 522422 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's OK!
< 1442208263 82621 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi all, is it ok to ask an assembly related question here, or is there a more appropriate channel?
< 1442208284 10191 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :(asking on behalf of a friend who's stuck on a programming assignment. I would know how to solve it if it's not assembly)
< 1442208288 856600 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: I don't know; ask anyways in case anyone knows, but if there are others you can try that too
< 1442208303 626420 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The URL is the same as the previous versions; it is:  http://zzo38computer.org/prog/quackvm.zip
< 1442208359 655794 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what the program needs to do is read and validate numbers from the user. from the second number onwards, it also needs to compare the new and last number and print which one was higher.
< 1442208378 966923 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :so say you put in 1, then 2, it compares 2 to 1 and 2 is greater, then you put in 30, it compares 30 to 2 and 30 is greater, etc
< 1442208386 841555 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: But you should nevertheless mention (whether you ask here or elsewhere), assembly language for what computer?
< 1442208401 853954 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastie.org/private/kztje7hm3tuvpdlhauv7ba#27 I think it's called nasm, e.g. this is documentation for it http://www.tortall.net/projects/yasm/manual/html/nasm-effaddr.html
< 1442208413 61843 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the specific problem we're having is, we want to swap the pointers to our two input buffers after reading each number in
< 1442208434 347500 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :so we're always, for example, inputting the newest number into input1, then comparing input1 to input2, then swapping what was in input1 to input2 and reading into input1 again
< 1442208441 844065 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a bit clueless. What exactly does "the predicate succeeding" do in your VM?
< 1442208471 826524 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the problem we're having is that  lea     input2, dx ; and  mov     input2, dx ; are both compiler errors.
< 1442208494 402500 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :and we know that it will work if you surround input2 in brackets, like this: [input2] but that does something different - it uses the value input2 is pointing to, not the 'pointer' of input2 itself, and we want to swap the two pointers specifically
< 1442208496 705104 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :(fin)
< 1442208524 264109 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: It matters if the instruction has the predicate bit set; then a cell follows which tells it where to go if the predicate succeeds/fails (depending on the sign bit)
< 1442208545 137378 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: I believe the newest documentation documents that? If it isn't clear, you can tell me and I can try to fix it.
< 1442208563 216903 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm still uploading the newest docs to Drive so I can read them
< 1442208566 977718 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have MS Office xD
< 1442208583 647686 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: It is a plain text file, not a MS Office document
< 1442208589 793143 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a .doc
< 1442208594 647547 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's an MS office document
< 1442208631 927020 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but it is still a plain text file. The .doc extension is used for both (although using it for plain text is a bit old), although Wordpad should be able to open it anyways hopefully?
< 1442208638 998243 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: I don't know much of nasm syntax or x86 instruction set, nor do I know what other channel to try
< 1442208651 76839 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: NP, thanks for hearing me out
< 1442208662 581416 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, here it is
< 1442208665 57755 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :##asm, let me try that
< 1442208669 733911 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: But if someone else happens to be on and who knows the answer, they will answer you too
< 1442208691 671391 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, thanks
< 1442208738 374612 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: So you can read it with Wordpad. (Notepad will not work because Notepad requires CRLF line endings)
< 1442208756 935 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Notepad++ will probably work
< 1442208773 693797 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't matter though, I uploaded it to Google Drive and had Google Docs convert it to a Google Docs document
< 1442208797 742639 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can do that if you want, that is fine, the document is public domain anyways
< 1442208877 20261 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whelp
< 1442208885 541056 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have NO clue how your vm works
< 1442208889 607450 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :All other files there are also public domain.
< 1442208891 57504 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm getting a vague idea
< 1442208898 13740 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Public domain is fun
< 1442208954 322774 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, if I am being unclear in the documentation, then I hope to fix it. You could try to understand by the C codes too if you want to, even if you cannot understand C codes very well, it might be better than reading only one file
< 1442208980 456415 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I just don't understand low-level processing enough xD
< 1442209026 742667 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That might be it. It can be a good idea to learn, not only for this but for dealing with other stuff too
< 1442209058 671909 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf TOPIC #esoteric :English spelling reforms | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ | http://esolangs.org/
< 1442209122 271434 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :all characters of my font (so far) in unicode ordering: http://www.orenwatson.be/fontcharlist.htm 
< 1442209222 259202 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: oh, you've documented the instruction format and encoding of that interpreter?
< 1442209252 481730 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Yes, I have done it now (I don't know if it is clearly enough)
< 1442209289 973692 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren_: That looks like good so far
< 1442209490 517757 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well
< 1442209492 682058 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hit a wall
< 1442209505 126526 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need a way to convert a string of bits to a floating point
< 1442209516 383004 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why?
< 1442209544 245612 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the floating-point instructions
< 1442209585 917442 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are no floating-point instructions
< 1442209618 405623 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean instructions that operatate on registers containing double-precision floating point numbers
< 1442209621 653892 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For MY VM
< 1442209652 431665 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, well, I do not know Python, nor have I seen such instruction in your documentation? Maybe it was a bit old one!
< 1442209655 250277 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDream
< 1442209686 395125 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I just realized I need it x
< 1442209687 500260 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :D
< 1442209688 890884 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait
< 1442209691 102340 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No I don't
< 1442209706 27737 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait
< 1442209708 321862 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I do
< 1442209715 984009 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have lost track of what I'm talking about xD
< 1442209729 523219 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking about a SETF instruction, but I don't need that
< 1442209762 572357 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I must've added those instructions after I talked to you
< 1442209788 362911 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What did you expect to need them for?
< 1442209815 225688 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For floating-point operations
< 1442209830 743613 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This VM is intended to have actual uses xD
< 1442209905 94232 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, if you intend to use with programs that require floating-point. Many programs don't and use fixed-point. But, look in Python documentation maybe you can find it
< 1442209964 355928 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will
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< 1442213235 654836 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`danddreclist 67
< 1442213236 599134 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :danddreclist 67: shachaf nooodl boily \ http://zzo38computer.org/dnd/recording/level20.tex
< 1442213245 491315 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will add the character sheets a bit later
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< 1442214437 880247 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also is still around?
< 1442214639 410682 :bender!~sid123@2404:e800:e61a:41d:e407:bc99:c924:99d0 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442214880 214556 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not yet at least
< 1442214901 123403 :x10A94!~x10A94@178.252.73.97 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442215242 41099 :bender!~sid123@2404:e800:e61a:41d:e407:bc99:c924:99d0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi
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< 1442216656 909326 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
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< 1442237739 212772 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, spambot says ATM MASTER CARD, and although it's almost certainly a typo for MasterCard, there's somehow a very different connotation
< 1442237846 979162 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ATM SKELETON CARD
< 1442237897 788503 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you get to see Sunday's plot-of-the-day?  http://zem.fi/bfjoust/vis/cycles/
< 1442237898 361293 :bender!~sid123@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ATM INTERCALDIATE CARD
< 1442237935 961561 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I didn't
< 1442237938 343294 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks now
< 1442237955 629764 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wow, margins is going to be hilarious again isn't it?
< 1442237984 457817 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: hmm, I can't see the top few lines at the same time as the graph at the bottom
< 1442237993 278699 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right, i can click
< 1442237995 866755 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than hover
< 1442238084 825417 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: suggested improvement to that: in the graph at the bottom, show which program won
< 1442238099 502513 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :correlation between win rate and cycle length is interesting to know
< 1442238272 397267 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mm. I could use three different colors for the bar (with a legend on the right side), although currently there's always at least one zero-height bar, so I'd have to pad them a bit.
< 1442238273 184981 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE MASTER CARD OF YENDOR
< 1442238276 880661 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait
< 1442238279 545569 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust test ,[.,]!Hello, world!
< 1442238287 355630 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_test: 6.1
< 1442238306 928453 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE PLATINUM YENDORIAN MASTER CARD
< 1442238318 184669 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and THE MASTER CARD OF THIEVERY
< 1442238373 21029 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, my latest adventures in Windows land:
< 1442238400 164822 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :network share with two directories, named "a" and "A", in the same directory. Explorer lists "A" no matter which one I'm trying to view.
< 1442238603 424276 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!ztest test .
< 1442238603 960463 :zemhill!bfjoust@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523.test: points -32.10, score 3.26, rank 47/47
< 1442238728 624971 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The plots still won't auto-update, sadly.
< 1442238827 114145 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is bfjoust ?
< 1442238851 594324 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a brainfuck programming game
< 1442238930 623946 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: your website is missing a link to the repository of programs
< 1442238933 967985 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm currently updating the wiki page)
< 1442238938 794185 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and noticed it isn't listed anywhere)
< 1442238985 27718 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems to be http://zem.fi/bfjoust/hill.git/
< 1442239011 351993 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: look on esolangs.org, there's an entry
< 1442239027 21881 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a strange game ais523 is good at
< 1442239035 390773 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm editing the page right now
< 1442239039 631959 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the bot should post a link to it soon
< 1442239043 101600 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :when I save the page
< 1442239077 973409 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07BF Joust14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44191&oldid=40553 5* 03Ais523 5* (-246) 10update information about the hills; fix capitalization of "brainfuck"
< 1442239080 78373 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there we go
< 1442239098 255847 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: reading about it now
< 1442239115 296960 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: your certificate for https://codu.org is expired
< 1442239314 679562 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: one of the things I love about BF Joust is that unlike almost all competitive games, you can play it against yourself
< 1442239338 851928 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because there's no hidden information involved, you can see all the programs you're competing against and analyze how they work, but that doesn't necessarily help in beating them
< 1442239386 695338 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: sure. competitive rubik cube solving is like that too. 
< 1442239409 117624 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: there's hidden information, but only in the sense that the tape length and polarity are hidden from the bfjoust code. 
< 1442239430 810385 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: rubiks cube solving is competitive only in the sense that you can compare two solution events to see which one had the shorter time
< 1442239437 900547 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no interaction between the different players
< 1442239444 149604 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, that's true.
< 1442239452 818213 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :BF Joust has plenty of interaction, but the twist is you have to write down your strategy in all possible situations in advance
< 1442239452 996079 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :only metagame interaction.
< 1442239538 988276 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so then it's like... ICFP contest 2004 about the ants?
< 1442239556 364748 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a two-player game where you have to write down the strategy in advance
< 1442239580 345707 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :people played it for a while after the contest, though I think they have mostly stopped now.
< 1442239598 464986 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I think that's a good comparison
< 1442239636 150359 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it also uses a somewhat simple programming language, one that doesn't have a large memory or registers.
< 1442239671 942190 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :a large general purpose random access memory that is.
< 1442239817 569454 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :in windows, what's the proper combination of backslashes and/or slashes in a pathname like \\?\UNC\\\HOSTNAME\sharename\ ?
< 1442239895 730561 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure
< 1442239907 830346 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and my searches are failing because duckduckgo doesn't recognise \\?\ as a search term
< 1442239915 659518 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries putting quotes around it
< 1442239924 935324 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, now it does recognise it, but can't find any results anyway
< 1442240062 332089 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently it needs a single backslash between UNC and the server name
< 1442240114 48073 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :good, sort of works now
< 1442240129 192006 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do I even want to know what you're doing?
< 1442240176 659438 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I mentioned above:
< 1442240190 464079 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait, you weren't here
< 1442240236 465906 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yeah, I was sure I had the hill repository link somewhere, but turns out I didn't. The program names in the score table link to the gitweb view, which I think used to have the URL, but it seems to have gotten lost.
< 1442240251 318884 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"btw, my latest adventures in Windows land: network share with two directories, named "a" and "A", in the same directory. Explorer lists "A" no matter which one I'm trying to view."
< 1442240255 328110 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you were here
< 1442240292 130598 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it might be connected to that
< 1442240311 798476 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to try to list both directories out of curiosity
< 1442240344 316373 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think this will help, because it's still case insensitive normally
< 1442240466 807887 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh brilliant
< 1442240470 53643 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's non-deterministic too
< 1442240476 27541 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently it's locally cached for a while
< 1442240485 657352 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so whcihever dir I try to access first, I'm stuck at it
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< 1442240563 822287 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interestingly, bfjoust resembles not a tilt (lance charge) but a traditional joust (with multiple rounds and fighting styles)
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< 1442241409 537325 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: Is the latter composed of multiple instances of the former? 
< 1442241512 227304 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I've been wondering about the word to use for a single "instance" (particular pair of programs, tape length and polarity). The article sometimes calls it a "match", but it's not even consistent.
< 1442241571 174162 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: "round" seems to make sense
< 1442241579 945095 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, if you're talking about the wiki article
< 1442241583 84648 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In "-- tournaments generally run 42 matches between the two warriors -- A program is scored based on the number of configurations in which it won, minus the number of configurations in which it lost; thus +42 is a perfect score for an individual match --" the first half implies there are 42 matches, but the second half implies "an individual match" is all 42.
< 1442241592 150169 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can make it consistent and then people will start using your terminology
< 1442241608 431506 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's how the whole "sieve" and "kettle" thing started
< 1442241621 559645 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this also implies that the word you choose is likely to catch on even if it makes no sense)
< 1442241656 742958 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember my wiki password, and my password manager is inaccessible. :)
< 1442241680 476082 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The article uses the word "round" for one of what I've been calling cycle, too.
< 1442241689 38062 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, maybe not.
< 1442241692 769852 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I just read that too fast.
< 1442241701 127561 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In each round of a match, both warriors simultaneously execute one of the above instructions at each time step (or 'cycle')."
< 1442241720 89686 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't mind it being "match" for the full set of 42, and "round" for one configuration.
< 1442241749 811151 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :My protobuf messages call the former a single "joust".
< 1442241841 804450 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think "cycle" is standard by now
< 1442241932 168253 :bender!~sid123@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 QUIT :Quit: Ping Pong Fuckout
< 1442242046 201901 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07BF Joust14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44192&oldid=44191 5* 0374.125.57.54 5* (-7) 10/* Matches */ (Hopefully) consistify terminology.
< 1442242059 677446 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usernames are for chumps anyway.
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< 1442242309 564335 :nycs!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com NICK :`^_^v
< 1442242379 684786 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I know, but I've been having issues with StartSSL @_@
< 1442242395 429404 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: fair enough, just making sure you were aware
< 1442242420 34363 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the whole certs and expiry thing is basically a blatant cashgrab as it is
< 1442242421 645912 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07BF Joust14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44193&oldid=44192 5* 0374.125.57.54 5* (+109) 10/* Competitive hills */ Tweak zem.fi hill replacement strategy description.
< 1442242454 462944 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :My StartSSL cert for zem.fi is expiring on October 7 this year.
< 1442242455 53142 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: hmm, I guess my programming mind saw the two as equivalent
< 1442242469 939393 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(re your edit)
< 1442242506 738106 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was hoping letsencrypt would've been launched (as scheduled) so I wouldn't have to keep dealing with StartSSL.
< 1442242596 359323 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Any year now.
< 1442242619 393042 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they've only moved the announced dates back once.
< 1442242628 508340 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Before that, they just didn't have launch dates.)
< 1442242762 475119 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arguably, my replacement strategy is "less sane" (in that you can replace a better program by a worse one), but that's what I ended up when implementing it.
< 1442242924 787269 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: it's equivalent over time, the only difference is the instant at which you take the snapshot
< 1442242936 304497 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, hmm, not /quite/
< 1442242943 450713 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it affects the scores of the incoming program
< 1442242990 581533 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ;
< 1442242991 582794 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+003B SEMICOLON]
< 1442243042 640926 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ;
< 1442243043 589286 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+037E GREEK QUESTION MARK]
< 1442243165 562091 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should use that as my regular question mark; what do you guys think;
< 1442243278 897411 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds good⸮
< 1442243298 700598 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why not use U+200B​
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< 1442243563 471862 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: how about "game" for a particular pair of programs on a length and polarity, and "match" for the set of all games between two programs on each length and polarity?
< 1442243636 207030 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe the first one could be a "run"
< 1442243702 11774 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was one instance of calling it a "run", but I just went with a "round".
< 1442243806 591827 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then you need words for the set with two programs on a given polarity but varying length, and the set with two programs with a given length but varying polarity. :-)
< 1442243879 443632 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'll call one a "slice", and the other a "sluice".
< 1442244117 544481 :J_Arcane_!~chatzilla@37-219-76-149.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442244183 643221 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-115-237.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
< 1442244187 834807 :J_Arcane_!~chatzilla@37-219-76-149.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi NICK :J_Arcane
< 1442244418 686416 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sluice? is that a real word?
< 1442244607 438674 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1442244614 897805 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@wn sluice
< 1442244616 941656 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :*** "sluice" wn "WordNet (r) 3.0 (2006)"
< 1442244618 980084 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :sluice
< 1442244620 934473 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :    n 1: conduit that carries a rapid flow of water controlled by a
< 1442244622 979322 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :         sluicegate [syn: {sluice}, {sluiceway}, {penstock}]
< 1442244626 950752 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :    v 1: pour as if from a sluice; "An aggressive tide sluiced
< 1442244628 952634 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :[5 @more lines]
< 1442244650 935996 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :As far as making sense goes, it's in the sieve/kettle ballpark.
< 1442244688 432438 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :2. (1) sluice, flush -- (irrigate with water from a sluice; "sluice the earth")
< 1442244698 628503 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"sluice the earth" sounds like something a supervillain would say.
< 1442244795 534794 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, a *conduit*. well, that explains everything: http://darthsanddroids.net/episodes/1013.html
< 1442244817 93582 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was aware of the word "sluice", but I wouldn't necessarily expect a non-native speaker to know it
< 1442244819 724585 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a pretty obscure word
< 1442244873 67718 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yah
< 1442244883 451573 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"slice" is much better-known
< 1442244885 166513 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION no native English-Speaker, and did not know that Word
< 1442244889 916650 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :True
< 1442244898 4211 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(although a sluice-gate could probably be used for slicing, especially if you sharpened the bottom of it)
< 1442245011 323475 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@2a02:2c40:400:0:ed2:92ff:fe3b:ec82 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1442245026 811075 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, so sluice. that means we have conduits in bfjoust.
< 1442245095 465428 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, "penstock" is a synonym for "sluice"?
< 1442245155 693103 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, in some of their meanings
< 1442245162 835032 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably
< 1442245200 791950 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :great build system set up here, I think I only have to edit the description file in like six places to add a new set of source files.
< 1442245409 848082 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://darthsanddroids.net/episodes/1013.html has some great technobabble. Heisenfram, Hyperfluid, Intermix, Phlebotinum, and Wavelet conduits.
< 1442245843 741542 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442245927 874799 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I probably know of 'sluice' because of encountering references to sluice gates in somewhere or another.
< 1442245946 683097 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sluices and sluicegates go together, really
< 1442245946 861805 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think a game, perhaps.
< 1442245960 147071 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need a sluice gate in order to be a sluice
< 1442245966 908441 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but a sluice gate doesn't have a whole lot of useful applications
< 1442245969 933357 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gating sluices is the main one
< 1442245970 263333 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Garamsythe_Waterway "The Sluice Gate Key can be obtained from Sorbet after completion of the White Mousse Hunt."
< 1442245976 463548 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1442245983 630935 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: huh, I didn't expect an FFXII reference
< 1442245985 311022 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi oerjan
< 1442245988 711192 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's possible I knew of sluices beforehand, but I've at least obtained the Sluice Gate Key.
< 1442246005 980956 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :today i did something i'd never thought plausible: i voted in a norwegian church election.
< 1442246020 463996 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: heh
< 1442246074 104263 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: did you care about who won?
< 1442246087 800624 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I voted in the UK local police commisioner elections a while ago
< 1442246099 105898 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which had one of the lowest turnouts ever
< 1442246108 77893 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly as a negative vote to make sure that particular candidates didn't win
< 1442246120 947629 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :local police commisioner elections? I haven't heared of such a thing.
< 1442246136 638968 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and sure, negative vote is perfectly normal, it happens on bigger elections too.
< 1442246140 160870 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was for a good cause.  it so happens that this year the main issue in the election has been whether the church should perform gay marriages...
< 1442246164 989112 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :when all the candidates seem bad, some of them can still be worse, and then it's worth to vote for another, even if you're not sure who's the best candidate.
< 1442246174 6713 :mihow!~mihow@c-76-27-244-171.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442246185 831239 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: What all do you elect here? I think I'm eligible to vote on some local things now.
< 1442246187 997665 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also, the church election is colocated with the municipality elections, so it was a simple thing to vote in both)
< 1442246208 999427 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: there are two main groups of elections (which sometimes fall on the same day, which makes counting easier)
< 1442246235 282772 :yiyus!~124271242@je.je.je QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1442246237 981193 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one is a general election; that used to happen approximately every five years (I think a new law means that it happens /exactly/ every five years because governments were scheduling them tactically)
< 1442246258 861255 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a general election, every position for a member of parliament is voted on
< 1442246294 591322 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :each person gets to vote for one member of parliament "slot" depending on where they live (the slots are called "constituencies" and have names like Birmingham Edgbaston)
< 1442246333 726695 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's plurality voting, and the members of parliament then can plurality vote on laws
< 1442246366 315764 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the prime minister is loosely defined as "anyone who can plausibly claim to be prime minister, and not have over 50% of the MPs oppose that claim"
< 1442246378 793708 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other main election is a local election; that affects the makeup of the local council
< 1442246392 870144 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently the general one requires citizenship.
< 1442246396 402540 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hmm. can that mean there's two opposing prime ministers?
< 1442246413 818303 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin NICK :copumpkin
< 1442246427 23339 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I think there's a countably infinite number of prime ministers.
< 1442246444 816673 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that works much the same way as a general election, except a) the slots are more specific (and called "wards", not "constituencies"), and b) there are three candidates elected per ward (although in some elections, you vote for all three, some you vote for only one)
< 1442246463 849316 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: oh, the prime minister also has to be an MP
< 1442246478 588696 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: well, there can't be much more than that, unless they're overlapping a lot
< 1442246487 122567 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or are very small
< 1442246488 667517 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: it could sort-of happen; however, the Queen has the final say as to who the Prime Minister is (although if she gets it wrong, she'll instantly be overriden by 50% of the MPs)
< 1442246515 100920 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's generally considered that it would be very embarassing for the Queen to nominate someone Prime Minister and immediately get them voted out
< 1442246518 645905 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ok, that means it's effectively the same system as in Hungary, but defined backwards
< 1442246542 909875 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: wait, does that mean britain will no longer have freely scheduled dissolution of parliament?
< 1442246547 317017 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so she normally delays the official announcement until it's clear that one party can control a confidence vote
< 1442246560 422453 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I believe so; there's some provision for emergencies, which may or may not be badly defined
< 1442246587 673892 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: and as for what "councillors" elected in a local election do, they get to control the budget for the local area and vote on how it's used
< 1442246598 896104 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ylozbhiptuojygue QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity
< 1442246599 971844 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :here, the President of the Republic proposes a prime minister to make a government, but then the majority of the parliment has to vote _for_ him before he can become a prime minister, so the President generally proposes the one person who would get the votes in first place, 
< 1442246606 288555 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in my case, the council in question is Birmingham City Council, who control the budget for all the day-to-day running of Birmingham
< 1442246606 892793 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :norway has had a fixed schedule basically always, and some have argued that we _should_ introduce dissolution
< 1442246616 588359 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :things like funding the police, repairing streetlights, garbage collection
< 1442246619 339207 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and for that he may have to wait before parliment parties make an agreement, if no party is in majority after the elections.
< 1442246663 189254 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the council itself is funded by two sources: a) money from the national tax budget (allocated by parliament); b) council tax, which is charged against houses (more expensive the more impressive the house) and has to be paid by their owners
< 1442246697 734659 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: all of that sounds normal, it's just the part where you said "local police commisioner" that sounds strange
< 1442246702 792599 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so a council election is really about how you want the council to prioritize their budget
< 1442246710 400803 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: most people think it shouldn't have been an elected position in the first place
< 1442246741 393862 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we've only had one election for that
< 1442246741 998075 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: wait, only those two? local councils can't have tax on industry?
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< 1442246779 763665 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: local councils can't impose their own taxes (other than council tax), although they can certainly try to claim a bigger share of the national taxes on whatever basis they feel like
< 1442246797 445997 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, btw, all this applies to England specifically; the situations in Wales, Scotland, and Northern Ireland are more complicated and I don't know all the details
< 1442247022 84883 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1442247025 362269 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and no idea about the smaller islands; Anglesey almost certainly counts as part of Wales, and the Hebrides and the like as part of Scotland, but what about the Isle of Man, or Wight, or the Channel Islands, or the Falklands?)
< 1442247053 347962 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, those all have crazy special rules
< 1442247059 565957 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :about everything in general
< 1442247101 842562 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the UK being centered around an archipelago (which isn't all part of the UK, nor is all of the UK there) makes geographical terminology pretty awkward sometimes
< 1442247120 802246 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even the name of the archipelago itself is apparently very contentious on Wikipedia
< 1442247128 689197 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1442247133 343346 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"British Isles" is the most common, but some Irish people feel that that's discriminatory
< 1442247170 680908 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :
< 1442247193 654429 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that kind of irish person is mostly out to make a point, though)
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< 1442247199 977767 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric : (that kind of irish person is mostly out to make a point, though)
< 1442247212 106368 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I'm wondering if "Great Britain" (the name of the largest island in the archipelago) is contentious too
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< 1442247828 925727 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's possible that different names are better for different purposes.
< 1442247931 505698 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, a politician has to use one name in his speech to avoid some people feeling insulted; but you have to use another name when addressing a postal mail so that it gets there more reliably. 
< 1442247952 288246 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's some crazy naming issues, like that about Macedonia or Taiwan.
< 1442247987 412754 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or Serbia, which had to stop calling itself Yugoslavia after a while.
< 1442248023 910077 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442248074 900353 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`culprits useless_file.txt
< 1442248076 208813 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie estin
< 1442248095 189400 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? estin
< 1442248095 832004 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :estin? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1442248138 717200 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"after a while"? did they keep doing it after montenegro left?
< 1442248320 435501 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92E43.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442248339 71591 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92E43.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Has someone here ever made something in BANCStar?
< 1442248354 87366 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: weren't you a BANCStar "expert"?
< 1442248358 806013 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome S1
< 1442248359 865615 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :S1: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: . (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.)
< 1442248360 588769 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? no
< 1442248361 261940 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92E43.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hue
< 1442248369 32907 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm not even that long, they changed in 2003
< 1442248370 325017 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: hmm, maybe I've confused you with someone else then
< 1442248370 506678 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just interested and read some of the disassembler code
< 1442248374 512861 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bearing in mind that this is all relative
< 1442248381 740457 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :knowing anything at all about BANCStar probably makes you an expert
< 1442248385 793425 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1442248387 436104 :spiette!~spiette@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442248388 880955 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92E43.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :then even I am an expert
< 1442248389 61831 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess so
< 1442248477 837067 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92E43.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just wondered if someone made something reasonable that could have been shown. But now I realize I would not want to read it anyway
< 1442248481 729120 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! I'm back!
< 1442248554 76541 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92E43.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PART :#esoteric
< 1442248557 290240 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92E43.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442248562 15045 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92E43.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :dammit, ^W
< 1442248567 630423 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92E43.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Why did you welcome me?
< 1442248580 588284 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't there no surviving implementation of BANCStar?
< 1442248586 74613 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(known)
< 1442248607 674668 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :S1: habit
< 1442248636 405799 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :secretly, he did it so as not to risk any `relcomes
< 1442248650 22031 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92E43.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome ?
< 1442248650 938461 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​09?: 02Welcome 06to 13the 04international 07hub 08for 09esoteric 02programming 06language 13design 04and 07deployment! 08For 09more 02information, 06check 13out 04our 07wiki: 08. 09(For 02the 06other 13kind 04of 07esoterica, 08try 09#esoteric 02on 06EFnet 13or 04DALnet.)
< 1442248657 910382 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION cackles madly
< 1442248681 49346 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have colours turned off in my client :-P
< 1442248704 556000 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i,i `mkx rmelcome//rm bin/relcome
< 1442248714 660503 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92E43.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :colours are not a valid topic for any irc
< 1442248731 149828 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: where have you been?
< 1442248750 956888 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it's vacation season
< 1442248769 771336 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, well I moved out from my parents, and like the week before that the HDD of the RPi that runs the znc bouncer died, and I didn't have time to deal with that until now
< 1442248784 818113 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh :(
< 1442248793 697207 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :So that is why I have not been on IRC
< 1442248811 688656 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, Vorpal is here!
< 1442248813 223136 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fucking HDDs, I want some durable storage. Install and forget
< 1442248818 154371 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :look at me, I'm the BANG-Star EGG-Spurt
< 1442248870 591604 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw i turned on +n yesterday, hagb4rd was around and made brief use of it.
< 1442248898 662565 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442248901 500250 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: no implementations. the buy who brought us the bangstar samples and disassemblers said he has an old floppy with the implementation that he may be able to read somehow, then he disappeared completely. so be careful.
< 1442248919 317848 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :....ok
< 1442248939 285134 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92E43.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"We are sure there is nothing fishy about this"
< 1442248949 169491 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that, yes
< 1442248972 618425 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if you're not a trained professional BANG-Star EGG-Spurt, then don't try it at home anywya.
< 1442248983 307613 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can be dangerous
< 1442248998 359177 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92E43.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also it's BANCStar, not BANGStar
< 1442249087 120335 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I figured out some things of BANCStar too; see the talk page
< 1442249090 722795 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: you seam to be speaking vaguely pornographic, are you sure you're not hagb4rd
< 1442249164 65319 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92E43.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :he did it twive
< 1442249166 546375 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92E43.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :twice
< 1442249308 629768 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :one, two, twee, twour, twive times!
< 1442249338 537053 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, how are you btw?
< 1442249350 424034 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92E43.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :twive is even more than twice
< 1442249364 338326 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorp'hello. I don't even remember how long you've been gone.
< 1442249373 155492 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't have been that long, seeing as I still haven't graduated.
< 1442249389 779338 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: temporarily inconvenienced, with no real long-term problems right now
< 1442249393 327520 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you graduating gradually
< 1442249404 827715 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm spending most of my time at work, because my house is being re-plumbed
< 1442249409 369541 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and is currently almost a building site
< 1442249425 908042 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :callforjudgement
< 1442249433 211693 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523
< 1442249435 934780 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I think it's required to be somewhat discrete by the rules.
< 1442249507 721873 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :how unnovative
< 1442249710 913243 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1442250340 945411 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : Vorpal: temporarily inconvenienced, with no real long-term problems right now <-- well my toe hurts and the doctors don't know what it is so far...
< 1442250347 983701 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that is not related to not being here
< 1442250593 666138 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, apparently I'm an expert because I created the esowiki webpage for BANCStar.
< 1442250631 850066 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly.
< 1442250647 690681 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :an expert on bancstar?
< 1442250670 878345 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92E43.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION drops
< 1442250721 831361 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think zzo38 is also a bit of an expert, istr he did some investigations
< 1442250738 343528 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I did too
< 1442250756 576377 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although neither of us are really an expert as far as I know.
< 1442250765 578432 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep. and GreyKnight did more investigations.
< 1442250830 530870 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some things I have come to conclusion differently than other people have done
< 1442250865 585831 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, hmm, we are missing someting
< 1442250867 691449 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome Vorpal
< 1442250868 483343 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: . (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.)
< 1442250885 815430 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92E43.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see the habit now, ais523 
< 1442250921 677486 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal hasn't been here for ages, we need to make him welcome ;-)
< 1442250932 784995 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92E43.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1442250947 920672 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92E43.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never said it's a bad habit, anyway
< 1442251003 460915 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wälcåmä Vorpal
< 1442251006 453620 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vårpal: Wälcome to the intärnatiånal hub får äsåteric programming language däsign and deplåyment! Får måre infårmation, check out our wiki: . (For the åther kind åf äsåterica, try #esåtäric ån ÄFnet år DALnät.)
< 1442251062 553194 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92E43.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is æwesøme
< 1442251101 168918 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: not fair, you added another stupid welcome variant since last time I deleted a bunch of them?
< 1442251238 476856 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's a generic Swedifier
< 1442251248 668692 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo 'hello, world' | en2sv
< 1442251249 446214 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellå, wårld
< 1442251363 558583 :atrapado!~atrapado@unaffiliated/atrapado JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442251394 186337 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? me
< 1442251395 152717 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Me is a proud member of the tEaM.
< 1442251417 557969 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`culprits wisdom/me
< 1442251418 826815 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e
< 1442251645 968411 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have almost as many footnotes as sessions, but only approx. half as many chapters as sessions
< 1442251808 359391 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/wälcåmä
< 1442251809 77673 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/sh \ exec welcome "$@" | bin/en2sv
< 1442251817 277494 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/en2sv
< 1442251818 54256 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/usr/bin/perl \ use Encode; binmode *$_,"encoding(utf8)" for STDIN,STDOUT; local$/; for (split//,) { rand(5)<3 and y/EOeo/\xc4\xc5\xe4\xe5/; print }
< 1442251866 488138 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas, what is that?
< 1442251873 981458 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :"`wälcåmä " I mean
< 1442251878 521490 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :just adding random dots?
< 1442251898 902837 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :We should add a proper Swedish and Norwegian welcome message, don't you agree oerjan ?
< 1442251925 908759 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you know how to write in Swedish and Norwegian then you can try to do such thing
< 1442251942 461368 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, well I do know Swedish and oerjan knows Norwegian obviously
< 1442251952 111422 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: spells stuff in Swedish. Swedish randomly spells "e" as either "e" or "ä", and similarly randomly spells "o" as either "o" or "å". It should also do other changes, but those would be more complicated to implement.
< 1442251963 505834 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you sure there wasn't one already?
< 1442251970 445804 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas, hah :P
< 1442251981 85230 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls wisdom/*elko*
< 1442251981 962569 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom/welkom
< 1442251990 811208 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls wisdom/*älko*
< 1442251991 843142 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom/välkommen
< 1442251997 621105 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let me do the proper translation to Swedish
< 1442251998 992587 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? välkommen
< 1442251999 748356 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hej och välkommen till den internationella knutpunkten för design och distribution av esoteriska programspråk! För mer information, se vår wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (För den andra sortens esoterism, pröva #esoteric på irc.dal.net.)
< 1442252004 395858 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :TOO LATE
< 1442252017 344496 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll try, and undoubtedly fail extremely badly, to translate the welcome message into Latin.
< 1442252050 103487 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is the speecher on my computer so bad????? It is making all of the wrong noise!!!!
< 1442252051 222646 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :`elcomeway tswett
< 1442252051 879910 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: elcomeway: not found
< 1442252056 793557 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1442252074 749074 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: you seem very upset about this
< 1442252106 757892 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It still works though despite that
< 1442252107 315664 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Välkommen till den internationella hubben för esoterisk programmeringsspråksdesign och -driftsättning! För mer information kolla upp vår wiki: . (För den andra typen av esoterisk, pröva #esoteric på EFnet eller DALnet.)
< 1442252117 521368 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, oh it exists, damn
< 1442252124 75485 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Well, the speaker on right side works; the one on left sometimes it doesn't works)
< 1442252146 955359 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, not enough concatenated words in that though
< 1442252164 639074 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :"programmeringsspråksdesign och -driftsättning" is clearly superior to "design och distribution av esoteriska programspråk"
< 1442252181 324584 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially deployment != distribution
< 1442252189 146219 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially since*
< 1442252220 730472 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKEJ
< 1442252245 387224 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, though "knutpunkten" is better than "hubben" clearly
< 1442252275 907339 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :självklart
< 1442252304 769100 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hej och välkommen till den internationella knutpunkten för esoterisk programmeringsspråksdesign och -driftsättning! För mer information, se vår wiki: . (För den andra sortens esoterism, pröva #esoteric på EFnet eller DALnet.)
< 1442252311 275637 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :That seems to be the best of both
< 1442252314 378492 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Benvenite ad centrum internationalis de designatio et deplementatio de linguae esotericae programmati! Per plus informatio, mira nostro wiki: . (Per alter tipus esotericae, proba #esoteric in EFnet vel DALnet.)
< 1442252325 949631 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know of any specific errors in that.
< 1442252343 495604 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can see lots of case errors
< 1442252364 360653 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, welcome in real Swedish 
< 1442252378 330074 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some of those are definitely real Latin words. "Ad", "per", "plus", "alter", "in". And I feel like "centrum" looks about right.
< 1442252385 576335 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442252446 872096 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What case is that supposed to be? Uh, there's nominative, accusative, dative, genitive, ablative, and vocative. So the word for "center" should be in the... dative?
< 1442252463 383106 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :
< 1442252496 664221 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Benvenite ad centrum internationalem de designatione et deplementatione de linguis esotericis programmatis!
< 1442252526 287788 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume you came up with that by just taking my "translation" and sticking the right case endings on.
< 1442252528 565509 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought accusative
< 1442252531 642674 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1442252568 912257 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suspect "de" should be replaced with genitive
< 1442252577 612559 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something
< 1442252589 844259 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you aiming for latin?
< 1442252591 613291 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that gets beyond my actual knowledge, i think
< 1442252605 775123 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: i think so
< 1442252620 653563 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? welcome.la
< 1442252621 567074 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :welcome.la? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1442252637 73468 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`benvenite
< 1442252637 755617 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: benvenite: not found
< 1442252640 635220 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls wisdom/*enve*
< 1442252641 594816 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom/bienvenue
< 1442252655 679741 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls bin/*enve*
< 1442252656 399410 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin/arienvenido \ bin/benvenuto \ bin/bienvenido
< 1442252672 570214 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`benvenido
< 1442252673 276235 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: benvenido: not found
< 1442252676 133026 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`benvenuto
< 1442252677 48821 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :welcome.it? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1442252689 155139 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`bienvenido
< 1442252689 946610 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​¡Bienvenido al centro internacional para el diseño y despliegue de lenguajes de programación esotéricos! Por desgracia, la mayoría de nosotros no hablamos español. Para obtener más información, echa un vistazo a nuestro wiki: http://esolangs.org/. (Para el otro tipo de esoterismo, prueba #esoteric en EFnet o DALnet.)
< 1442252691 313941 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmph
< 1442252708 962588 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the spanish one is the only non-english one that sees serious use
< 1442252717 10158 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because of the canaimas
< 1442252731 630818 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? canaimas
< 1442252732 481306 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :canaimas? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1442252807 693722 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` grep -i anaima wisdom/*
< 1442252809 426567 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :grep: wisdom/le: Is a directory \ grep: wisdom/¯\(°_o): Is a directory \ grep: wisdom/¯\(°​_o): Is a directory \ Binary file wisdom/reflection matches
< 1442252816 194084 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah
< 1442252823 757647 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` grep -Ri anaima wisdom/*
< 1442252825 462747 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` rgrep -i anaima wisdom # hth
< 1442252826 98194 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Binary file wisdom/reflection matches
< 1442252827 276984 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1442252854 565804 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a difference between rgrep and grep -R
< 1442252857 680968 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1442252863 507764 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there's a difference between wisdom and wisdom/*
< 1442252950 724992 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`mk wisdom/welcome.sv//Hej och välkommen till den internationella knutpunkten för esoterisk programmeringsspråksdesign och -driftsättning! För mer information, se vår wiki: . (För den andra sortens esoterism, pröva #esoteric på EFnet eller DALnet.)
< 1442252952 907959 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom/welcome.sv
< 1442252959 287433 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? welcome.sv
< 1442252960 212926 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hej och välkommen till den internationella knutpunkten för esoterisk programmeringsspråksdesign och -driftsättning! För mer information, se vår wiki: . (För den andra sortens esoterism, pröva #esoteric på EFnet eller DALnet.)
< 1442252973 16526 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`os
< 1442252973 832548 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :os
< 1442252984 370256 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/os
< 1442252984 901652 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/bash \ echo "$0" | sed -e 's_.*/__'
< 1442253004 652452 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat
< 1442253022 447469 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`culprits bin/os
< 1442253024 154334 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ln -s os bin/wat
< 1442253024 392632 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett tswett tswett tswett
< 1442253025 843980 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1442253027 328833 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1442253027 512592 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wat
< 1442253028 363079 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat
< 1442253038 396571 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rm bin/wat
< 1442253041 180465 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1442253078 464921 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rm wisdom/välkommen
< 1442253081 278048 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1442253094 521643 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think wisdom.?? scales better
< 1442253109 973024 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :* welcome.??
< 1442253157 41947 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` rgrep kommen bin/
< 1442253162 976070 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1442253165 932314 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"welcome.no" gives out bit of mixed signals for English speakers, though.
< 1442253186 559940 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :welcome.norvenskuomi
< 1442253253 170873 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you can have welcome.nb and welcome.nn separately.
< 1442253280 519791 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh
< 1442253378 867837 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you considered /nick oohrjan twh
< 1442253662 997326 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :noo
< 1442253700 102024 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am hitting a roadblock here: i have no idea what, if any, is the norwegian word for software deployment.
< 1442253800 632265 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm there are hits for "driftssetting" but too few of them
< 1442253826 438469 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh an s too much
< 1442253830 216009 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a word for "software"?
< 1442253889 425109 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm "idriftsetting" has slightly more hits than that again
< 1442253901 255830 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: erm...
< 1442253917 872242 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"programvare" usually
< 1442253929 169454 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, we have "aufsetzen", hmm, but it's really derived from "setup", I'm afraid.
< 1442253958 383172 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ah, better than german. (we have Programme, but a collection of those would just be software, I think)
< 1442253974 566970 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh "idriftsettelse
< 1442253976 101355 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"
< 1442253988 666478 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :except that would obviously be bokmål only, hm...
< 1442254019 919376 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Historically, "program" *may* have come from german? I wonder how to check that...)
< 1442254123 858562 :fractal!~fractal@unaffiliated/scounder QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in
< 1442254190 338278 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Oh and brainfuck, I also feel that checking for a non-zero remainder after dividing by 2 may be impossible with 3 cells; after all this inability of getting information out of a division loop is what makes Fractran and related languages such an attractive target (because you can cheat, undoing speculative multiplications all the time)
< 1442254348 655471 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :applying the same trick to I/O, if you add a special output character that means "please disregard the last character" (something like backspace), that should "solve" the problem.
< 1442254505 988507 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1442254515 613119 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, i also realized that you can interleave junk output
< 1442254604 647940 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442255007 992683 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92E43.dip0.t-ipconnect.de QUIT :Quit: We are the revolutionaries
< 1442256586 345834 :fractal!~fractal@unaffiliated/scounder JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442257159 948776 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-72.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442257337 633210 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you guys know this?  http://spritesmods.com/?art=rapidisnake
< 1442257403 483662 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :video on page 5
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< 1442257521 777929 :x10A94!~x10A94@178.252.73.97 QUIT :Quit: I'm outta here
< 1442257566 245267 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442257722 884101 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: heh
< 1442257739 773153 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh indeed
< 1442258207 893695 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442258407 825544 :heddwch!~heddwch@76.8.3.189 NICK :Frankenheimer
< 1442258469 158181 :MDream!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDude
< 1442258604 321396 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :would you guys expect a smart compiler to compute strlen every time in that loop?  http://arin.ga/dpDMHa/raw
< 1442258626 381954 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :both gcc and clang do
< 1442258767 378421 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Quit: BBS
< 1442258774 128482 :Frankenheimer!~heddwch@76.8.3.189 NICK :frankenstein
< 1442258785 606982 :frankenstein!~heddwch@76.8.3.189 NICK :hethuh
< 1442258936 238337 :hethuh!~heddwch@76.8.3.189 NICK :hedwig
< 1442258964 191083 :hedwig!~heddwch@76.8.3.189 NICK :heddwch
< 1442259147 196040 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442259659 988117 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: /me looks
< 1442259703 921398 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, is the compiler allowed to assume that i isn't an element of argv[1]?
< 1442259719 437751 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :By strict aliasing, yes.
< 1442259722 373494 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it is because i is a local variable, and possibly also because it has the wrong type (not sure on that one)
< 1442259745 313069 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it's allowed to assume getchar doesn't modify what argv points to, at least from general principles.
< 1442259749 298473 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it also allowed to assume that putchar doesn't change argv? I think no, unless it has putchar special-cased
< 1442259755 845572 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, yes
< 1442259767 501656 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the compiler can't assume what getchar/putchar do to main's arguments
< 1442259782 425917 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, you could probably use setvbuf to shift the stdio buffer into memory you controlled
< 1442259789 626386 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then recursively call main using the same buffer as part of argv
< 1442259798 430700 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I… think I may have a new IOCCC idea
< 1442260089 411515 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Environment variables are stored near to the program arguments
< 1442260318 839897 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to be a proper IOCCC entry I can't rely on system-specific things
< 1442260326 896081 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I can definitely store things in stdio buffers
< 1442260365 832422 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :cycles.json went from 227428 to 347439 bytes when I added -1/0/1 numbers for all pairs/rounds in preparation for indicating the winner.
< 1442260388 725462 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not that bad
< 1442260420 966954 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-72.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1442260502 998078 :nycs!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442260557 234496 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1442260820 571357 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry i was away
< 1442260832 533809 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: thanks for that
< 1442260925 574853 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: putchar takes an int, not a pointer.  how can that possibly change argv[1] ?
< 1442260963 159358 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: putchar writes to a stdio buffer
< 1442260986 167920 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the buffer isn't written to the screen immediately unless you do something to flush it (by default, this is writing '\n', but it's customizable)
< 1442261000 625263 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see where you're going
< 1442261012 651500 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: now, suppose you call main recursively; you can give it a pointer to the stdio buffer (which is potentially under user control) in its argv
< 1442261013 297488 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's awful
< 1442261024 79854 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but... i don't
< 1442261026 278122 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no rule in C saying you /can't/ do this
< 1442261048 458345 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and your program could potentially be linked against a separate library that contains a recursive call to main (say you link against a custom libc)
< 1442261057 758687 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the compiler doesn't have enough information to know that you're not going to do that
< 1442261062 859131 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and has to play it safe
< 1442261082 769276 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :GCC has attributes you can use to mark "pure" functions, of which more assumptions can be made. (Of course, putchar can't be one.)
< 1442261090 694872 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see
< 1442261177 921386 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION scratches her head
< 1442261188 15214 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :restrict was invented for this, too
< 1442261207 389473 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if main's second argument was char *restrict *, then it'd know that argv isn't aliasing any global (including stdout)
< 1442261215 80464 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*if main's second argument were
< 1442261331 64916 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't seem to change anything
< 1442262226 298029 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hm good IOCCC idea, but what would you use it for that is interesting though?
< 1442262232 668646 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea yet
< 1442262248 65935 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe some sort of scanf-based logic
< 1442262291 49080 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, oh yeah, you could scanf from and into that same buffer (possibly different parts of it)
< 1442262348 830127 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :As long as you provided long enough arguments for there to be enough buffer to work with
< 1442262369 766890 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :good night
< 1442262519 639793 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, btw, how goes feather? Or is it dead?
< 1442262520 767194 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD
< 1442262535 151774 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it's no more dead than before
< 1442262538 658861 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think about it occasionally
< 1442262554 845896 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Underlambda Project actually shares some similarities with Feather, but is less insane
< 1442262556 845089 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fair enough
< 1442262576 352227 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :But underlambda is also not done, right?
< 1442262606 628313 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed
< 1442262619 939598 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, you actually remember what underlambda is? nobody else seems to :-P
< 1442262654 385480 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :over the years I've really made progress in pinning down the details, though
< 1442262661 864257 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've just assumed -- from the name -- that it'd be (unlambda + underload) / 2.
< 1442262671 365322 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I even found a way to do subtraction that I'm happy with
< 1442262684 268377 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: that's the etymology, and it's not a bad description
< 1442262686 570750 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I don't remember how it works no
< 1442262691 699514 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the resulting language is higher-level than that description would imply
< 1442262691 876931 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://zem.fi/bfjoust/vis/cycles/  now shows the winner in the subgraph.
< 1442262693 13046 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember that it is a thing though
< 1442262697 400360 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: thanks :-)
< 1442262713 239512 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it looks strange, I might ha... actually, I did.
< 1442262723 244565 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, one half of the scores are the wrong way around.
< 1442262742 655922 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, that is a blank page for me below the text?
< 1442262756 663104 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :And no, not adblock or noscript
< 1442262856 823686 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :good night
< 1442262859 568424 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might not be all that cross-platform.
< 1442262877 615929 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, chromium on Debian wheezy
< 1442262907 162916 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Checking firefox
< 1442262919 837145 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay that works
< 1442263000 598920 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm using Chromium on Debian [something], too.
< 1442263022 400020 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Chromium 45.0.2454.85.)
< 1442263029 339397 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, nope, the graph doesn't show up there
< 1442263037 172512 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Version 37.0.2062.120 Built on Debian 7.6, running on Debian 7.9 (281580) (64-bit)
< 1442263041 99939 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, quite a bit older
< 1442263047 47918 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since I'm still running oldstable
< 1442263054 426493 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Need to update to stable
< 1442263066 431971 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :At some point, good night for real now *turns off monitor*
< 1442263066 612595 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mm. I may have inadvertently relied on something modern somewhere.
< 1442263084 834988 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think d3 should be relatively portable, though, since it's so popular, so it's probably something I did.
< 1442263295 91914 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ooh, new visualisation idea: current position for each warrior at the end of the match
< 1442263320 504505 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :would be nice to see how "far" the loser got through the winner's decoys
< 1442263400 631302 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could do some sort of a summarizer. You can of course see individual ones with the egojsout viewer.
< 1442263430 388513 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed, it's the summary that's more interesting
< 1442263448 694304 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure what you'd want to average over: opponents and tape lengths are the obvious things to average over though
< 1442263714 868635 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: it doesn't work in IE 11 either hth
< 1442263737 775918 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Does it just not show up? 
< 1442263757 782189 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, nothing below the text
< 1442263780 783936 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well except space
< 1442263812 933657 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hrm.
< 1442263824 523027 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll test it when I boot to Windows next. In fact, could do that now.
< 1442263837 570454 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been thinking about going 10, despite everything.
< 1442264092 931309 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :as long as you stay away from the edge
< 1442264101 470584 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Microsoft Edge, that is
< 1442264491 404623 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, Math.log10 was something very new, it seems.
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< 1442264521 384536 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Works from Chrome 38 onwards; Vorpal managed to pick the newest non-working Chrome.
< 1442264641 769394 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll patch it in when I'm next *away* from Windows. This dual boot thing is kind of inconvenient. I have git here in Winland, but not e.g. the SSH keys for uploading a fixed version, or rsync... wait, since when do I have rsync? 
< 1442264673 943712 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also the console is bash. Am I actually in Windows at all? 
< 1442264691 366534 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I've made an effort to make this feel homely.
< 1442264768 312166 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why even boot windows?
< 1442264832 29947 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Games maybe twice a year, in my case.
< 1442264869 267992 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are plenty of games for linux
< 1442264893 665559 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're the wrong ones.
< 1442264987 92894 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think about half of my Steam library is Windows-only. Can't recall the exact number.
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< 1442265795 342028 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03GoogolPlanck 5*  10New user account
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< 1442266696 849011 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Symball14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=44194 5* 03GoogolPlanck 5* (+26) 10Created page with "== Syball == == Symball =="
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< 1442267522 968889 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science/space/11856221/Humans-may-accidentally-send-aliens-a-computer-virus.html wtf?
< 1442267524 734872 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What?
< 1442267564 537884 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I guess poorly designed alien equipment might malfunction if it interprets signals from space as machine code because aliens are idiots, but... a virus?
< 1442267848 961422 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm too lazy to make the independence day joke
< 1442267945 125086 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Symball14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44195&oldid=44194 5* 03GoogolPlanck 5* (+3020) 10
< 1442268052 331861 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's a polite way to tell your healer that it's not ok to disconnect in the middle of a dungeon
< 1442268074 135579 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44196&oldid=44166 5* 03GoogolPlanck 5* (+14) 10/* S */
< 1442268214 813905 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :meanwhile
< 1442268231 373810 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :for some reason when i middle click in chrome it opens anywhere from one to four new tabs
< 1442268247 522613 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's very exciting
< 1442268336 374879 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made the mistake of reading comments on a news site
< 1442268518 259634 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442268892 936309 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :My left click sometimes doubleclicks on its own, so I get 1-2 tabs when ctrl-clicking.
< 1442268987 748303 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizziello. middle click?
< 1442269008 230600 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: It also drops items when dragging.
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< 1442269026 11258 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the right click only clicks on every third or so attempt.
< 1442269031 797381 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1442269048 575214 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is quite suboptimal.
< 1442269069 854712 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1442269071 48429 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the new mouse from Amazon instead scrolls on its own when in the free-spinning mode I've gotten very used to.
< 1442269088 130931 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The scroll wheel has an orientation it likes, and it returns to it by gravity.
< 1442269108 536157 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Scrolling up to a page's worth up and down after every operation, depending on the angle it was left at.
< 1442269136 707832 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the replacement for that is somewhere in France, and will be delivered a week from now, even though they said they'll use the fastest possible shipping method.
< 1442269169 808043 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie's suboptimouse.
< 1442269221 758082 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've heard "The House of the Mouse" is a term people use of the Disney corporation.
< 1442269355 495168 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, finnish deliveries are low-priority and don't occasion the use of a plane
< 1442269357 989352 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :or boat
< 1442269360 620709 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :or car
< 1442269363 708455 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :or bicycle
< 1442269519 538941 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phellontom_Hoover.
< 1442269536 101861 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you saying Finnish deliveries are made by foot?
< 1442269542 690270 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or by submarines?
< 1442269549 937293 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or by ICBM?
< 1442269561 899837 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :motorbike
< 1442269573 526107 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :trains
< 1442269592 287518 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :trikes
< 1442269630 29194 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unicycles would be awesome
< 1442269648 550034 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :would be? unicycles are real
< 1442269655 678018 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd appreciate someone in the front of my door on a unicycle with a package for me
< 1442269685 242909 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: i mean as a delivering tool
< 1442269707 938907 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are also unitandems, that would be even more awesome
< 1442269752 823913 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mynamello.
< 1442269755 148032 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unitandems?
< 1442269768 478720 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unitandems.
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< 1442272619 568358 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gVd Eving
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< 1442272720 315345 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not Evning?
< 1442272722 896136 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Symball14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44197&oldid=44195 5* 03GoogolPlanck 5* (+1) 10/* Docs */
< 1442272761 337521 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wAt, Dat SVd bE EvniG 
< 1442273415 118798 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :symball is neat. not that special, but slim and you can obfuscate great
< 1442273446 211435 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am temoted to write symball code that is valid with two different reading offsets
< 1442273462 990937 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*tempted
< 1442273828 505132 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloren_!
< 1442273852 558412 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that some kind of klingonified English spelling?
< 1442274477 736601 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :klingon?
< 1442274479 768732 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1442274512 610267 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.orenwatson.be/speliG.htm
< 1442276048 81921 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there should be French, Swedish and Tibetan versions.
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< 1442277341 701391 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You're saying it has to do with the nationality and not the location of the recipient? 
< 1442277406 794589 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. the french are, after all, notorious racists
< 1442278242 66243 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FUCK
< 1442278266 173724 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can someone fork nano and remove the Justify button
< 1442278273 95277 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :please
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< 1442278761 76136 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Symball14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44198&oldid=44197 5* 03GoogolPlanck 5* (+2267) 10/* Examples */
< 1442280117 576549 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren_: Why not switch to a better editor?
< 1442280128 476484 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example, ed
< 1442280482 166375 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :ed is definitely better at not ruining your work because of a single errant keypress
< 1442280553 2892 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of these days I'll write my own editor from scratch
< 1442281059 67100 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use kakoune
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< 1442282700 590579 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A while ago, I decided that, in order to make my speech just a little bit more gender-neutral, I would abandon the generic greeting "Hey guys", replacing it with "Hey you guys".
< 1442282729 983238 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In retrospect, this seems kind of silly.
< 1442283420 639334 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you simulate a 7 sided die with a 5 sided die?
< 1442283624 652909 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sampling by rejection?
< 1442283652 839044 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Roll the 5 sided die twice, keeping track of each roll seperately. Add the first die to 5 times the second. If the result is over 21, reroll. Otherwise, mod 7 the result.
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< 1442283670 981709 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow calm down you cowboy
< 1442283690 475933 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: is that a standard or de-facto way to do that?
< 1442283756 254842 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq rejected your rhetorical question
< 1442283779 631033 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: It's at least pretty close to a standard way of doing it. You're basically rolling a random base 5 two-digit number, and discarding those samples that would skew the distribution.
< 1442284929 970628 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(1/x)^((1/x)-1) is asymptotically linear?  
< 1442284988 805280 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :x^(1-(1/x))
< 1442285016 107828 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, no. hmm
< 1442285136 578268 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it LOOKS linear
< 1442285357 138615 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Como se dice guys en spivak?
< 1442285372 329228 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-icnjyetazolxdxeq JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442285398 458196 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is spivak?
< 1442285416 259878 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gayatri_Chakravorty_Spivak
< 1442285471 351930 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a guy called spivak wrote my calculus textbook
< 1442285475 298149 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spivak_pronoun
< 1442285595 223870 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that is somehow the same spivak, wtf
< 1442285834 563825 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuckit I can't remebewr how to prove this with limit math, so i'mma do an ε δ proof
< 1442285995 331170 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, i guess it's a ε N proof. whatever
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< 1442286293 825415 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Symball14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44199&oldid=44198 5* 03GoogolPlanck 5* (+7035) 10/* Examples */
< 1442286359 907222 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Symball14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44200&oldid=44199 5* 03GoogolPlanck 5* (-6) 10/* = Generation 1 */
< 1442286385 747747 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Symball14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44201&oldid=44200 5* 03GoogolPlanck 5* (-3) 10/* = Generation 3 (produced by G2) */
< 1442286466 760390 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right. x^x = 1 when x = 1,  and x^x is a smooth function. 
< 1442286498 882939 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/when x = 1/when x = 0/
< 1442286540 981654 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hence (1/x)^(1/x) approaches 1 as x -> +oo
< 1442286573 677536 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hence (1/x)^(1/x-1) * 1/x -> 1
< 1442286595 776254 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hence (1/x)^(1/x-1) is asymptot. linear in x
< 1442286633 879418 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the line in question being y=x)
< 1442286742 515404 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Symball14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44202&oldid=44201 5* 03GoogolPlanck 5* (+4) 10/* ESO/Smiley/Hello, World! */
< 1442286776 26625 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Symball14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44203&oldid=44202 5* 03GoogolPlanck 5* (+9) 10/* Symball */
< 1442287452 947022 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gah, curse you college webservers!
< 1442287520 124054 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't get to a page on bubble logic because schools keep deleting the websites they host for students.
< 1442287622 344566 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fluidics#cite_note-2
< 1442287676 908710 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.wired.com/2012/04/soldier-crabs/
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< 1442293550 335930 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t flip seq ()
< 1442293551 714760 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :a -> ()
< 1442294328 435440 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442294339 979992 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What esoteric number formats could we do?
< 1442294376 405636 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :1) Fraction Point (32 bit numerator, 32 bit denominator)
< 1442294435 53279 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Knuth advocates floating-slash fractions
< 1442294452 227242 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :2) Floating Point w/ expansion: Sort of like normal floating point, but with some bits dedicated to saying how many of the value's digits are repeated
< 1442294456 846915 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: What?
< 1442294501 736527 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :The initial bits of a floating-slash number indicate how many bits are used by the numerator; the remaining bits are used for the denominator.
< 1442294501 917290 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Floating point with the bits rearranged, their precise arrangement depends on the time of day.
< 1442294507 947434 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], why floating point expansion
< 1442294552 725517 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^v: It's for EXACT floating point values
< 1442294577 748620 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be offered SEPARATELY from normal floating point
< 1442294592 597608 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose then you have a denominator float
< 1442294613 832240 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that way you can have exact fractions
< 1442294617 143220 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :accurate double x = 0.1; accurate double y = 0.2;
< 1442294628 434520 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :x + y == 0.3
< 1442294631 617960 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :--> true
< 1442294667 852780 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in a c-like language)
< 1442294683 977726 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well thats true in normal C
< 1442294720 264900 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Last time I checked, no it isn't. Due to rounding errors.
< 1442294777 733571 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh
< 1442294783 305535 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for non power of two numbers
< 1442294793 18503 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exactly
< 1442294825 602635 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, the example I gave would just be optimized to "true" xD
< 1442294857 643554 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really
< 1442294878 110084 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so.. you use bignums?
< 1442294897 446503 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh?
< 1442294907 74269 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :infinite precision numbers
< 1442294909 679960 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are common
< 1442294924 773430 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, yes
< 1442294934 25013 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :INFINITY PRECISION FLOATING POINT FTW!
< 1442294936 439428 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :How would you treat: accurate double x = 2; return pow(pow(sqrt(x), sqrt(x)), sqrt(x));
< 1442294973 363886 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: Not sure
< 1442294979 998369 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (sqrt 2 ** sqrt 2) ** sqrt 2
< 1442294980 453683 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :still figuring out how im going to make the language with only ^ and v
< 1442294980 934896 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not very good at low-level stuff xD
< 1442294981 414522 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2.0000000000000004
< 1442294988 253298 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (sqrt 2 ** sqrt 2) ** sqrt 2 :: CReal
< 1442294989 936816 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2.0
< 1442295004 242855 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^v: I can make a language with only "^"
< 1442295028 245585 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :+[>,<]
< 1442295038 53880 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: So... um... did you find a massive flaw wiht my Accurate Floating Point thing what?
< 1442295083 616516 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/thing/thing or/g
< 1442295100 16676 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :MWAHAHAHAHA I HAVE RUINED MILLIONS OF PAST TEXTS EVERYWHERE
< 1442295110 477538 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/wiht/with/
< 1442295122 638285 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, the only solutions to the 0.2+0.1~=0.3 problem is either to use fractions (which are not space efficient) or store the numbers in base 10
< 1442295220 383829 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you just assign 0.3 to 0.3~0.3? NO! YOU HAVE RUINED MATHEMATICS!
< 1442295244 128258 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^v: My solution is still good :,(
< 1442295287 597553 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :To have some extra bits denoting what part after the decimal point expands
< 1442295300 889958 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fractions are as space efficient as floats (up to a factor of about 1/3, the asymptotic density of Farey sequences)
< 1442295305 593925 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So 0.11... is possible
< 1442295354 957310 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So what's next?
< 1442295359 738173 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Randomly floating point?
< 1442295366 332615 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sinking point
< 1442295402 140359 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depending on what the RNG spits out when you call it, it can be 10.5, 1.05, 0.105, 105000000000000000000000000000000.0, etc (pretending we're using base 10)
< 1442295408 508742 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: Oooh
< 1442295411 494500 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does that work?
< 1442295424 919966 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, I'm still sinking about it.
< 1442295434 926378 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :-_-
< 1442295472 429925 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh_you.jpg
< 1442295496 30540 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dear god I clicked tat
< 1442295504 876440 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD
< 1442295506 422615 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Firefox openned oh_you.jpg
< 1442295509 673063 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :AS A FUCKING URL
< 1442295511 980760 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :xDxD
< 1442295524 936238 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :MIND.STATE += BLOWN
< 1442295529 242478 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hell.666
< 1442295534 273924 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :.com domains are like $8 now
< 1442295536 731658 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is nice
< 1442295537 466625 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone else send that message back to me
< 1442295541 220076 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i got pxtst.com xD
< 1442295545 962721 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to see if hell has a secret domain
< 1442295566 578866 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone send the message "hell.666"
< 1442295578 217922 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the ^v language will be a polymorphic huffman tree
< 1442295585 470926 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoa
< 1442295590 841632 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hell.com is NOT FUCKING REGISTERED
< 1442295603 61126 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i bet its like $400 a month
< 1442295606 407132 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD
< 1442295607 223490 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well
< 1442295608 161882 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is
< 1442295613 584692 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :By a domain parking thing
< 1442295617 592033 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That doesn't exist anymore
< 1442295620 131993 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :-_-
< 1442295628 652101 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Domain parking things should be banned everywhere
< 1442295638 145304 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :domain squatting is already illegal
< 1442295658 958435 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Domain parking though
< 1442295687 192434 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :all they have to do is put "this is not domain squatting" on the page and its not illegal anymore
< 1442295695 698564 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh
< 1442295722 17531 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :According to Wikipedia fixed-length strings can be viewed topologically as vertices of a hypercube
< 1442295723 842681 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :True fact
< 1442295731 468991 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/String_%28computer_science%29#Topology
< 1442295753 474025 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1442295764 457921 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :more usefully
< 1442295768 799370 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a string can be viewed as molecules
< 1442295784 811040 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can get the hypercubic graphs as cayley graphs in this way
< 1442295918 835242 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now that I think about it
< 1442295925 39433 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1442295926 786685 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :um
< 1442295935 844476 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh right!
< 1442295947 236046 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :2D strings would be useful for CJK representations
< 1442295965 394784 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :With the x-axis representing characters and points along the y-axis representing components of those characters
< 1442296245 895259 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDream
< 1442296474 795842 :sc00fy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442296883 703977 :sc00fy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1442298563 857427 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1442298738 945383 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :esoteric string representation?
< 1442299726 911301 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes
< 1442301097 907272 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1442301307 106955 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@2a02:2c40:400::1:6e46 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442301439 393162 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION should note the Ideograph Description Sequence in Unicode is already obscure enough
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< 1442313062 294092 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :*.net *.split
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< 1442313175 287564 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-14-112.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host
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< 1442313539 414967 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Quit: lunch
< 1442316359 397753 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: PRESSURIZED CHICKEN
< 1442316377 264305 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet TOPIC #esoteric :ˈɪŋɡlɪʃ ˈspɛlɪŋ ɹəˈfɔrms | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ | https://esolangs.org/
< 1442318773 649083 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1442321103 732414 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442321446 822011 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442321637 789729 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, the topic looks like IPA, but it isn't
< 1442321646 147666 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1442321649 359401 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what language is that? English written in an IPA-like style?
< 1442321674 642872 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[CTCP] Received CTCP-PING reply from ais523: 18 seconds.
< 1442321750 51076 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what's non-IPA about it?
< 1442321781 973124 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: things like "ŋɡ"
< 1442321800 926176 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I had a 59-second ping at one point
< 1442321807 661788 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then a bunch of messages came through at once (including the ping response)
< 1442321814 152018 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Internet ♥
< 1442321815 883310 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :20 seconds to you from here
< 1442321858 760264 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well i remember we discussed "ng" in english recently and at least one person insisted it _always_ includes a g sound at the end
< 1442321868 427884 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:57:44 CTCP PING reply from ais523: 27.119 seconds
< 1442321870 732886 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442321874 612932 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heya Phantom_Hoover 
< 1442321891 759541 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think possibly oren_ 
< 1442321913 504560 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :You Guys do not even measure Split-Seconds in CTCP-Pings yet?  =^ﻨ^=
< 1442321915 244598 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey oerjan, you read casey and andy right
< 1442321940 55145 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i knew it did in "finger", but wasn't aware it applied to so many words
< 1442321940 920261 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, so the topic is the result of a debate over how IPA /should/ work? that makes a lot of sense
< 1442321943 190716 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: i did yes
< 1442321958 951610 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well no, the topic is new and i wasn't here
< 1442322022 208045 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :while the discussion i recall was weeks ago
< 1442322070 424833 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :23 seconds
< 1442322080 699431 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you noticed that the titular andy has since written a book that has now been adapted into some massive hollywood film
< 1442322105 322116 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: have you tried switching servers
< 1442322133 56610 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm /wii responds immediately
< 1442322176 609841 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it's not just Freenode that's the problem, it's every website, so I doubt that would help; I suspect the issue is at the router at my end
< 1442322289 655333 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :APic: it shows split seconds just fine, i just didn't see the point in including them
< 1442322307 332530 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: um no?
< 1442322357 496238 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh so he has
< 1442322380 810217 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I see.
< 1442322381 751870 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good!
< 1442322391 662615 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: the resolution of a ping depends on your client
< 1442322401 257245 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i keep laughing stupidly to myself whenever i see posters for it
< 1442322472 787819 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, most clients have stateless pings, meaning that you can send them ping responses unsolicited and they'll display them as implausible times
< 1442322533 664379 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, obviously his realisation that he was an incredibly bad artist paid off
< 1442322728 493679 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: the comic isn't even mentioned on his wikipedia page :(
< 1442322782 35606 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1442322792 897461 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the tvtropes page for c&a is great now
< 1442322813 51291 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :"see also his other abandoned webcomic and his bestselling novel"
< 1442322825 629042 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442323274 312795 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442323793 209142 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :see also me getting sucked into tvtropes one more time
< 1442323987 216180 :x10A94!~x10A94@178.252.73.97 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442324179 234898 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, oops sorry
< 1442324200 782072 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i only read enough to remember that dmm actually made a GURPS module for c&a
< 1442324284 482490 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i made the mistake of starting to read the example section.  but it'll surely be ok if i can just avoid doing so recursively.
< 1442324351 39980 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION rediscovered A Miracle of Science.
< 1442324368 381140 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which I read at about the same time as C&A)
< 1442324386 128432 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and GG has a pie chart.
< 1442324425 327247 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so since we're now investigating time... is GG going to end soon?
< 1442324485 314651 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is afraid that Agatha may turn out to be her own mother.
< 1442324492 591576 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh that was the first apparition
< 1442324500 848080 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it was :)
< 1442324562 512153 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-76-149.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
< 1442324626 64415 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: well for the other apparitions they'll have to find the geisterdamen...
< 1442324702 392794 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe they're in Paris too. ;)
< 1442324789 643416 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Twist: Nothing is at it seems; the great Wizard of Paris is actually Klaus in disguise, who has been secretly helping Agatha all this time.
< 1442324855 207420 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh the first pages are no longer entirely black and white
< 1442324881 499284 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: maybe a _little_ bit far there...
< 1442325342 602347 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :just making clear I still don't really know how this is going to end, despite all the hints.
< 1442325361 690926 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :SURELY IT'S ALL OBVIOUS
< 1442325377 342606 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're a dreen, anyway
< 1442325591 282724 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1442325634 613468 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442325920 113848 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I can make it worse: It's all a dream. Agatha wakes up and goes to school. The end.
< 1442325933 143145 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice work
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< 1442332028 939392 :MDream!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDude
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< 1442334286 233760 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren_: í sē ýū tū háv kriātyd y nýū orþográfi for Iŋliś
< 1442334300 618474 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ī
< 1442334374 591104 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :ī háv tu sā, yors is mor līkli tu bē ydopted
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< 1442335782 984938 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, the first vowel in 'likely' is a diphthong hth
< 1442335859 186479 :MercurialHg!~Mercurial@94.123.198.68 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442335890 978749 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: in that orthography, the "I" diphtong is marked ī
< 1442335982 917956 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Capricorn14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=44204 5* 03Virgolang 5* (+67) 10Created page with "It is a symbolic programming language that invented by MercurialHg."
< 1442335995 548518 :MercurialHg!~Mercurial@94.123.198.68 PRIVMSG #esoteric :me?!
< 1442336820 487102 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-xcyossbedoivlmkv QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
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< 1442337487 866936 :MercurialHg!~Mercurial@94.123.200.252 NICK :Mercurial
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< 1442339129 554702 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442339549 619731 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hu
< 1442339890 392199 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1442340344 285523 :Mercurial!~Mercurial@94.123.200.252 QUIT :Quit: Leaving
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< 1442341093 610162 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Disconnected by services
< 1442341097 628424 :nycs!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com NICK :`^_^v
< 1442341297 591136 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mijhlflbgkdionaz JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442341577 280796 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`^_^v, why were you in #bp a while ago anyway
< 1442341577 926072 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: ^_^v,: not found
< 1442341601 314624 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have no idea what #bp is
< 1442341637 265633 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm only ever on prog lang chans
< 1442341708 191217 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :British Petroleum channel?
< 1442341715 506628 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh. #bp on espernet, for the freespace mod? i swear i got freaked out when i noticed you were in both
< 1442341717 672684 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well
< 1442341800 361706 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :some guy must have stolen my nick
< 1442341807 250251 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cant blame him, its a pretty sweet nick
< 1442341815 581671 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
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< 1442341941 973064 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think he said he was in here too but the logs for that are long gone so who knows
< 1442341954 468688 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1442342355 621376 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Stare/1.014]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44205&oldid=44180 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+17) 10Added nowiki tags on bwor
< 1442342402 230196 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Stare/1.014]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44206&oldid=44205 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+0) 10Changed a function to the proper one (not chr, ord)
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< 1442342948 795606 :mihow!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442343321 931804 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07DeafPig14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=44207 5* 03GoogolPlanck 5* (+681) 10Created page with "== DeafPig == DeafPig is a member of the [Pig] series along with [Pig], [SickPig], [DeadPig], and [QuinePig].  As with the other Pig languages, the only command is PIG.  The d..."
< 1442343428 422791 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07DeafPig14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44208&oldid=44207 5* 03GoogolPlanck 5* (+42) 10
< 1442344550 964123 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442344751 913692 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442344979 728561 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
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< 1442346838 819120 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*siiiiigh*
< 1442346856 186311 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :*yaaaawn*
< 1442348575 753541 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Are you on?
< 1442348590 236657 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :If so, are you the one who suggested some stuff for IO in TaurusVM?
< 1442348829 273168 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember doing that.
< 1442348840 994548 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although that's not saying much.
< 1442348862 855039 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1442348891 244023 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it was FreeFull? Or maybe FireFly?
< 1442348923 654438 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wasn't me
< 1442348926 616471 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was certainly not fungot
< 1442348926 794599 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: i won't change it, but it's a political perspective, not a latin word at all.
< 1442348978 743826 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD
< 1442348980 987012 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds
< 1442349021 34744 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :AFK
< 1442349146 375334 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it was me
< 1442349204 383896 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh
< 1442349212 219345 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could swear their name started with an f
< 1442349443 980839 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442349509 136809 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :fnerd
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< 1442350466 443566 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure how I should implement codesine
< 1442351126 314797 :Melvar`!~melvar@dslb-092-072-164-084.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442351163 654727 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: Do it with frobnication
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< 1442351281 353651 :Melvar`!~melvar@dslb-092-072-164-084.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de NICK :Melvar
< 1442351357 641511 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I vote we move Object-Oriented to either Object-Oriented Paradigm or Object-Oriented Programming
< 1442351439 25193 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I second my own vote
< 1442351445 401621 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm the only member of this council
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< 1442351489 578570 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will now put it to a vote
< 1442351492 126895 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I vote yes
< 1442351496 287623 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Motion carried
< 1442351624 989164 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Object-oriented14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=44209 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+191) 10Created Page
< 1442351781 445857 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-092-072-164-084.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442352255 700381 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION clears his throat
< 1442352424 332153 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*cough cough* ais523 *cough*
< 1442352601 947069 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll move it if someone else agrees that it should be moved.
< 1442352611 355042 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1442352616 134494 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :My preference between the two options would be "Object-oriented programming".
< 1442352625 381428 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've added float instructions to my VM :)
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< 1442352812 589349 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :object-oriented programming sounds like a page written from the point of view of the programmer, whereas object-oriented paradigm sounds like a page written from the point of view of the language designer
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< 1442353365 751118 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Loader14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44210&oldid=44105 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (+166) 10
< 1442353404 654447 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I add SETIF instructions to my VM?
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< 1442353610 672551 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :NEXT VM
< 1442353612 547777 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ThueVM
< 1442353664 508382 :atrapado!~atrapado@unaffiliated/atrapado QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1442353783 198029 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is in NO way whatsoever related to Thue
< 1442353801 181917 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aside from dealing with strings a lot
< 1442353858 352239 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone?
< 1442353859 857264 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No?
< 1442353867 669581 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523?
< 1442353900 407100 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I'm being pinged a lot for no obvious reason
< 1442353909 915814 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't massively have the solution to everything people ask about
< 1442353911 958474 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know :)
< 1442353912 484040 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*magically
< 1442353914 155022 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I'm tired
< 1442353918 714749 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as you can tell from my typos
< 1442353922 199691 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not asking for your solution
< 1442353938 278580 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(interestingly I tend to typo real words into other real words, because if I typo into a nonword I typically correct it out of habit)
< 1442353968 407139 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just needy and want people to respond to me so I don't feel lonely, which likely stems from not having many friends as a child, and blah blah blah blah blah blah blah...
< 1442354028 347083 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like it when people respond to me too, I've just gotten used to waiting weeks or months
< 1442354038 318203 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, your name is at the top of the userlist.
< 1442354046 686439 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :AND I recognize you.
< 1442354049 369667 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I bring it on myself by designing esolangs that are too complex/weird for anyone else to understand, and often for me to understand either)
< 1442354457 113408 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds
< 1442354472 391943 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07TaurusVM14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44211&oldid=44085 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+547) 10Extended and reaccurated page
< 1442354519 70120 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442354761 583536 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
< 1442355039 977611 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :
< 1442355119 568301 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442355119 856007 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442355254 963073 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hellu Phantom__Hoover
< 1442355563 752442 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1442355777 608870 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :My VM is now officially TC :)
< 1442355782 733721 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think
< 1442355803 25334 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Loader14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44212&oldid=44210 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (+39) 10
< 1442355808 447724 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :tc is overrated imho
< 1442355809 876067 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have arithmetic operations, SET, MOV, indirection, and conditional branching on various conditions
< 1442355818 8521 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: How so?
< 1442355819 627223 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :but sounds cool
< 1442355861 917508 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], well i mean... it doesn't take much to be TC
< 1442355868 996734 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :True
< 1442355873 580105 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's the best there is xD
< 1442355881 901666 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :the interesting part for me is languages which are almost but not quite tc
< 1442355887 871012 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, asside from both TC AND being easy to TC which
< 1442355897 573823 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/ass/as/
< 1442355922 160960 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, my VM is designed to actually be useful in some respect
< 1442355923 509442 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So...
< 1442355931 115274 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :TC is a big step
< 1442355937 799492 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :just in terms of computational class at least
< 1442355942 204514 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :AND I mean it's officially TC IN THE REFERENCE IMPLEMENTATION
< 1442355951 667590 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it possible to be useful without TC?
< 1442355966 944343 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :CC isn't that interesting in general, interesting semantics are much better
< 1442355967 729095 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh! boily's on!
< 1442355972 173385 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is, but not for everything
< 1442355972 502785 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily, C says hi
< 1442355992 335565 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavellon[1]!
< 1442355999 821982 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi!
< 1442356000 735773 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Helloover. who's C?
< 1442356022 109783 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: I'm making a machine called ThueVM
< 1442356047 325191 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's basically a computer that does a LOT of string handling on the machine code level
< 1442356149 823950 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's quite novel.
< 1442356157 179383 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yuy!
< 1442356160 110934 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did something new!
< 1442356184 383906 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? yuy
< 1442356185 161674 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yuy? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1442356207 733059 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an emote for some face with fucked up eyes
< 1442356293 255311 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a corruption of Yay
< 1442356529 649267 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07TaurusVM14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44213&oldid=44211 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+470) 10Added two more VMs
< 1442356811 576061 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn yuy yuy:yay::lulz:lol
< 1442356813 337993 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'yuy': yuy yuy:yay::lulz:lol
< 1442356822 459122 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`yuy
< 1442356823 47581 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: yuy: not found
< 1442356826 885607 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? yuy
< 1442356828 820360 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yuy yuy:yay::lulz:lol
< 1442356916 318618 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442356941 528514 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07TaurusVM14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44214&oldid=44213 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+86) 10Nothing of importance
< 1442357043 735 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What other interesting ideas could I add to TVM?
< 1442357331 245854 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`set -i 's/$yuy //' wisdom/yuy
< 1442357331 996949 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: set: not found
< 1442357334 68334 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :shit
< 1442357337 734256 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`sed -i 's/$yuy //' wisdom/yuy
< 1442357338 312945 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usage: sed [OPTION]... {script-only-if-no-other-script} [input-file]... \  \   -n, --quiet, --silent \                  suppress automatic printing of pattern space \   -e script, --expression=script \                  add the script to the commands to be executed \   -f script-file, --file=script-file \                  add the contents of script-
< 1442357409 970902 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :welp
< 1442357492 512811 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442357562 890630 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What did you just do.
< 1442357812 142287 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i tried to use sed and failed
< 1442357814 192757 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? yuy
< 1442357814 971772 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yuy yuy:yay::lulz:lol
< 1442357823 274997 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You tried to use ` instead of ``.
< 1442357833 293728 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i'm not using any shell features am i?
< 1442357838 547336 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :``sed -i 's/$yuy //' wisdom/yuy
< 1442357839 158554 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: `sed: not found
< 1442357843 805015 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're using the shell feature of multiple arguments.
< 1442357845 45220 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` sed -i 's/$yuy //' wisdom/yuy
< 1442357845 858423 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1442357859 792790 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, wow
< 1442357877 246960 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd totally forgotten about that
< 1442357880 568043 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? yuy
< 1442357881 512930 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yuy yuy:yay::lulz:lol
< 1442357899 631167 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` sed -i 's/^yuy //' wisdom/yuy
< 1442357901 435304 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1442357902 570284 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? yuy
< 1442357903 387666 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yuy:yay::lulz:lol
< 1442357907 310538 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :ph is gud unix
< 1442358011 808054 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07TaurusVM14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44215&oldid=44214 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+245) 10See Also Section
< 1442358038 153845 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a le/rn for learning things "foo" that aren't of the form "foo ...".
< 1442358038 621599 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: Thank you
< 1442358045 859298 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah
< 1442358062 163138 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the syntax would've been `le/rn yuy/yuy:yay:... or something like that.
< 1442358106 358221 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately it doesn't work for things with /s in their names.
< 1442358109 521104 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :or `` echo ... > wisdom/yuy
< 1442358117 604141 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But there's also `mk
< 1442358196 945016 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07TaurusVM14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44216&oldid=44215 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+2) 10Dammit, wikimarkup
< 1442358223 910176 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? s-expressions
< 1442358224 496422 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s-expressions? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1442358248 849151 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? YuY
< 1442358249 549425 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yuy:yay::lulz:lol
< 1442358369 691112 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? s expressions
< 1442358370 419114 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s expressions? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1442358391 317292 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds
< 1442358400 811579 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? sexps
< 1442358401 437354 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sexps? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1442358404 145245 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? sexprs
< 1442358404 811681 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sexprs? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1442359218 728723 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? :
< 1442359219 452021 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​:? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1442359285 351411 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gVd EvniG!
< 1442359415 841292 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? oren
< 1442359416 484477 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren is a Canadian esolanger who would like to obliterate time zones so that he can talk to his father who lives in the same house. He'll orobablu get the hang of toycj tuping soon.
< 1442359434 129216 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? hppavilion[1]
< 1442359434 982125 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1] se describe en las notas al pie. ¿Porqué no los dos? Nadie lo sabe.
< 1442359465 335762 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? Jafet
< 1442359466 5267 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1442359466 346051 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1442359474 723716 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I liked the old hppavilion[1] thing
< 1442359478 216882 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` sed -i 's/orobablu get the hang of toycj tuping soon/probably get the hang of touch typing soon/' wisdom/oren # hth
< 1442359478 462491 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? history
< 1442359479 135231 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :history? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1442359494 201106 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone should open a dictionary and start defining every normal word too
< 1442359497 816593 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :TO OXFORD!
< 1442359500 584513 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? the
< 1442359501 461141 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1442359523 530523 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Toe of Harriness's Enclave
< 1442359525 278823 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'toe': Toe of Harriness's Enclave
< 1442359530 480701 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn the Toe of Harriness's Enclave
< 1442359532 401789 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'toe': the Toe of Harriness's Enclave
< 1442359537 67417 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? toe
< 1442359537 883201 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Toe of Harriness's Enclave
< 1442359556 263202 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's going on?
< 1442359577 769230 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn foe Field-On Enemy
< 1442359579 515623 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'foe': foe Field-On Enemy
< 1442359582 37028 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn the Toe of Harriness's Enclosure
< 1442359583 830705 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'toe': the Toe of Harriness's Enclosure
< 1442359590 671772 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you not do this
< 1442359591 175107 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is it learning toe when I enter the?
< 1442359594 752115 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :twh
< 1442359595 293759 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn the foe is the Field-On Enemy
< 1442359597 5382 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'foe': the foe is the Field-On Enemy
< 1442359602 36269 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn The Toe of Harriness's Enclosure
< 1442359603 836343 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'toe': The Toe of Harriness's Enclosure
< 1442359610 125850 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how this works :(
< 1442359633 640665 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn the Toe of Harriness's Enclosure
< 1442359636 818813 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'toe': the Toe of Harriness's Enclosure
< 1442359637 110752 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoops
< 1442359642 685975 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn' mean to send that yet
< 1442359644 89473 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`le/rn the/the Toe of Harriness's Enclosure
< 1442359645 959436 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned «the»
< 1442359656 76608 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thank you!
< 1442359660 175700 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm clueless :/
< 1442359662 945759 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? the
< 1442359663 649309 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Toe of Harriness's Enclosure
< 1442359720 7143 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? a
< 1442359720 726355 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A is _not_ a village in Norway, unless you're the BBC and don't understand things on top of letters.
< 1442359737 812853 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's awesome
< 1442359747 691987 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even get what it's referencing, but that's awesome
< 1442359749 574110 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? b
< 1442359750 230883 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1442359769 54965 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? �
< 1442359769 735142 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​�? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1442359771 577152 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn b is, in fact, a village in norway
< 1442359773 948152 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'b': b is, in fact, a village in norway
< 1442359779 529127 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn B is, in fact, a village in norway
< 1442359781 380594 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'b': B is, in fact, a village in norway
< 1442359782 633203 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? b
< 1442359783 322197 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :B is, in fact, a village in norway
< 1442359795 299351 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have an idea
< 1442359797 240152 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo can y'all not do that
< 1442359835 249917 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why don't we go through EVERY letter of the alphabet, saying they are or aren't a village in norway depending on the primality of their (1-based) index in the alphabet?
< 1442359843 129211 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :JUST to drive shachaf crazy
< 1442359894 543416 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdome
< 1442359895 297261 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: wisdome: not found
< 1442359895 740592 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom
< 1442359896 691334 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :intercal/INTERCAL has excellent features for modular program for the enterprise market.
< 1442359947 238115 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`le/rn wisdome/The place where all of HackBot's wisdom is stored and forced to fight to the death for the freedom of being printed out when you type `wisdom
< 1442359949 73200 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned «wisdome»
< 1442359959 373172 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? wisdome
< 1442359960 197926 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The place where all of HackBot's wisdom is stored and forced to fight to the death for the freedom of being printed out when you type `wisdom
< 1442359997 455486 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But... wouldn't that mean that every time you type `wisdom, there are less and less options as they keep fighting to the death?
< 1442360003 168085 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No
< 1442360007 307334 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :They get revived each time
< 1442360011 209048 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sound horrific.
< 1442360014 608690 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is
< 1442360017 229950 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very much
< 1442360041 997662 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is why you shouldn't participate their horrifyingly mosterous system
< 1442360079 97118 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom
< 1442360080 51112 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wlcom/Hi! This is a chat about unusual programming tools. For additional info, visit our wiki: . (For unusual things of a contrasting sort, try http://bit.ly/19k9nf8.)
< 1442360136 575115 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now someone needs to make a command called `wisdom that, when executed, talks about    in the wisdome
< 1442360150 127070 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/`wisdom/`wisdome/
< 1442360191 162514 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alternatively, that allows users to add horrific death scenes as one kills the other
< 1442360197 329247 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1442360223 150237 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I'm tempted to write a HackBot fanfic about the Wisdome
< 1442360225 654621 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD
< 1442360279 713570 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1442360300 733840 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT!?
< 1442360345 439654 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :NUUUUUUUUUUUU
< 1442360424 136327 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? wisdome
< 1442360424 829672 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The place where all of HackBot's wisdom is stored and forced to fight to the death for the freedom of being printed out when you type `wisdom
< 1442360459 472854 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is my crowning achievement in life
< 1442360671 549829 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom
< 1442360672 513637 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for further details/who knows
< 1442360685 405824 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom
< 1442360686 327270 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fsm/An FSM is a state machine with noodly appendages.
< 1442361531 775422 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom
< 1442361533 22261 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ørjan/Ørjan is oerjan's good twin. He's banned in the IRC RFC for being an invalid character. Sometimes he publishes papers.
< 1442361564 957919 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and here I was thinking that int-e was oerjan's good twin. or at least the less evil one.
< 1442361570 44613 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom
< 1442361570 996979 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :grue/grue is the colour of the trees and the ocean
< 1442361582 452537 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that much I agrue with.
< 1442361750 457578 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442361869 569871 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found that Python has a tarfile module that will come in handy for Archive Formats in TaurusVM
< 1442361917 661452 :aretecode!~aretecode@50.23.131.206-static.reverse.softlayer.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442361937 932571 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But what should the file extensin be?
< 1442361942 939310 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*extension
< 1442361957 559689 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
< 1442362110 54698 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'll change Taurus Executables to .taurus files and make the archive format .tau
< 1442362182 662171 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are there any programs that use unicode in their file extnsion?
< 1442362195 290614 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I recall something.
< 1442362198 732886 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing very serious.
< 1442362201 740994 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe esolangs.
< 1442362276 422262 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloworld.ç
< 1442362292 322831 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't find anything right now. Even Ellipsis seems to use just '.' as the extension.
< 1442362315 183670 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is kind of strange, since it uses the Unicode ellipsis character in the source code.
< 1442362358 310545 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, actually it uses "..", so that it's "foo..."; maybe that wouldn't work so well with the Unicode ellipsis.
< 1442362441 824000 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if I translated all keywords and stl functions, and made the extension .срр
< 1442362481 429527 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could, of course, make the Taurus Executables .♉ files
< 1442362536 733215 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that seems like a bad idea
< 1442362595 310423 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whitespace programs should be named 'hello. ' 
< 1442362605 877933 :Tod-Autojoined2!Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442362606 514558 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the like
< 1442362618 738562 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fair enough
< 1442362637 632937 :gde33|2!kvirc@546A0B75.cm-12-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442362646 869133 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or 'hello. [\t][\n]'
< 1442362747 607347 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-14-112.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442362788 480567 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-14-112.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host
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< 1442362821 326488 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :'hello.     
< 1442362823 134529 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :'
< 1442362838 521732 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin NICK :copumpkin
< 1442362854 955750 :olsner_!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442362883 163010 :mihow!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Quit: mihow
< 1442362897 589636 :Tod-Autojoined!Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1442362897 986211 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1442362899 794699 :puckipedia!puck@irc.puckipedia.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds
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< 1442362905 974841 :JesseH2!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442362916 962009 :puckipedia!puck@irc.puckipedia.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442362986 719772 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi, puckipedia!
< 1442362991 120878 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi, JesseH2!
< 1442363009 450314 :JesseH2!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH PRIVMSG #esoteric :My connection was reset. No understand.
< 1442363017 525199 :JesseH2!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH NICK :JesseH
< 1442363020 85546 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weird
< 1442363125 328584 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Quit: WALRUS MAAAAAAAAAAAAN
< 1442363496 431958 :FreeFull_!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442363512 469573 :yorick_!~yorick@ip51cd0513.speed.planet.nl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442363512 647180 :yorick_!~yorick@ip51cd0513.speed.planet.nl QUIT :Changing host
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< 1442363530 821950 :pikhq_!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442363763 641120 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :*.net *.split
< 1442363763 641222 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :*.net *.split
< 1442363763 641248 :ocharles__!sid30093@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ennwxjqnvznhvhqc QUIT :*.net *.split
< 1442363763 641308 :gniourf!~gniourf@pdm-l03.insa-lyon.fr QUIT :*.net *.split
< 1442363763 641367 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 QUIT :*.net *.split
< 1442363764 205219 :APic!apic@apic.name QUIT :*.net *.split
< 1442363764 205241 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH QUIT :*.net *.split
< 1442363764 205258 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :*.net *.split
< 1442363788 920118 :APic!apic@apic.name JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442363802 473088 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1442363919 426242 :clog!~nef@bespin.org JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442364074 607886 :ocharles__!sid30093@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vovbcfemfouxqdrh JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442364669 510548 :gniourf!~gniourf@pdm-l03.insa-lyon.fr JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1442364729 791970 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Horn clauses are cool
< 1442365080 836105 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: GREAT CHICKEN
< 1442365609 308902 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1442365895 207517 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, we need something more esoteric
< 1442366221 919572 :FreeFull_!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1442366246 999046 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Symball14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44217&oldid=44203 5* 03GoogolPlanck 5* (+522) 10/* Examples */
< 1442366435 400957 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442367337 577482 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Codesine14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44218&oldid=44043 5* 03MDude 5* (+21) 10
< 1442368028 602916 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: Balanced ternary logic
< 1442368042 123868 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :With reversible gates
< 1442368069 966342 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1442368492 683334 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Microscript14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44219&oldid=44170 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (+22) 10
< 1442368815 398279 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Balanced ternary or modal. Or modal balanced ternary.
< 1442368838 492390 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Three by three grid of logical values.
< 1442369133 335443 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :language in which programs are written as non-constructive proofs of the existence of a program to do X
< 1442369233 555109 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442369322 205283 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :An itneractive programming language where you don't say what the program should do specifically, but instead just tell it when it's doing something wrong.
< 1442369355 737950 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And not to do specific thigns in specific conditions.
< 1442369464 342362 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like "don't write to this area of memory when you're outside of this subroutine".
< 1442369466 182167 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Hexadecimal Stacking Pseudo-Assembly Language14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44220&oldid=44144 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (+7) 10
< 1442369599 754740 :pikhq_!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 NICK :pikhq
< 1442370415 621211 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ᾧᾨᾩᾪᾫᾬᾭᾮᾯᾰᾱᾲᾳᾴᾶᾷᾸᾹᾺ
< 1442370656 773003 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also: scissors! ✁✂✃✄
< 1442371378 528465 :yiyus!1242712427@je.je.je QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
< 1442371670 402460 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Malbolge14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44221&oldid=43428 5* 03195.191.162.160 5* (+112) 10/* External resources */  Added link to Malbolge interpreter online
< 1442372025 51243 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, Pandorabots changed it's site.
< 1442372027 476257 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*its
< 1442372120 649252 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait no the original is still at http://www.pandorabots.com/botmaster/en/home
< 1442372406 663071 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've certainly played with it as a kid, but people use this thing for production?
< 1442372410 800114 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always thought it was a toy
< 1442372652 130854 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1442372681 814836 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For production of what?
< 1442372731 127650 :yiyus!~124271242@je.je.je JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442372735 465504 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see how being a toy changes my expectation of not having to link my account with it to yahoo or whatever.
< 1442372741 96631 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442372810 321973 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you tihnk of AIML, fungot?
< 1442372810 963961 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: you make an excellent point. given its apparent fnord, apart from " don't get caught" or " demonstrate fnord in hebrew." such allegations are unfounded and slanderous. they did not have a porn career and did not state what caused his death, he took up boxing under the fnord section), but we really should use the proper deletion procedures as explained in the lead of the article, i didn't do that in your writing and editi
< 1442372861 877070 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite the proffesional opinion, thank you.
< 1442372875 826504 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: What's the new site for PandoraBots?
< 1442372878 397625 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks interesting
< 1442372913 922858 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's http://www.pandorabots.com which I got linked to from http://www.alicebot.org/aiml.html
< 1442372922 564634 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neither even mentions the other.
< 1442372997 325348 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking I would take another try at making a chatbot that acts as an adventure game dungeon master.
< 1442373746 321460 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Nopfunge14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=44222 5* 0369.165.212.148 5* (+5098) 10Added page
< 1442373756 530905 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
< 1442373946 580132 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm making a mathematics engine for mathemeticians and students
< 1442373952 60161 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FOSS of course
< 1442373958 485247 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I support surreal numbers?
< 1442373960 987914 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll go with yes
< 1442373966 74084 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Complex surreals!
< 1442373971 429442 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't see why not.
< 1442374002 966151 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not entirely sure what surreals represent?
< 1442374061 750208 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Nopfunge14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44223&oldid=44222 5* 0369.165.212.148 5* (+109) 10A few cosmetic edits
< 1442374095 109393 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442374195 388511 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh,t hey can be represented in ASCII.
< 1442374199 169620 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442374358 402681 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Complex surreals sound good for a mathematical engine.
< 1442374373 377009 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For surreal numbers I'm using w and e for infinity and infinitesimal 
< 1442374401 921257 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Instead of ω and ε
< 1442374414 790037 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though {L|R} form will also be available
< 1442374442 659212 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's going to be advised in my engine that you use names >3 characters long for variables, because if you use R it will collide with all real numbers, etc.
< 1442374472 847203 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well you can't wait around for students to actually type out an infinitely long {L|R} definition of w and e.
< 1442374501 195175 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh
< 1442374505 145353 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'd almost take forever.
< 1442374509 772499 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dual numbers will be available too
< 1442374548 771413 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well ... notation will be available
< 1442374560 506117 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though the pattern recognition component will be hard
< 1442374576 606743 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't just do 1, 2, 3... = N
< 1442374591 468398 :mauris!~mauris@2601:58a:101:2cc0:3928:79a7:bbc7:cc19 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442374597 43935 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The duals are definitely an awesome feature to have.
< 1442374601 425137 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because what about 1, 1/2, 1/4, 1/8...
< 1442374603 879680 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep
< 1442374613 611657 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :DUAL SURREAL QUATERNIONS
< 1442374625 594547 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Better than dual mini uzies
< 1442374641 53649 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and means you can do automatic differentiation!)
< 1442374665 842194 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Nopfunge14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44224&oldid=44223 5* 0369.165.212.148 5* (+151) 10Some more cosmetic edits
< 1442374669 784184 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION doesn't understand differentiation!
< 1442374674 756854 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is still in high school!
< 1442374684 620455 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ggbxmueaoevvmgcy JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442374692 480380 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But what should the symbol for the nilpotent be?
< 1442374709 249750 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It can't be ε because typing
< 1442374724 35786 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, because ε is the infinitesi- oooooooh
< 1442374728 781204 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was surprised to discover that "is dual to" isn't a symmetric relationship.
< 1442374742 855039 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ε**2=0, doesn't it?
< 1442374744 204785 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :f(a + b \varepsilon) = f(a) + b f'(a) \varepsilon
< 1442374747 848338 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a great property.
< 1442374776 706844 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in this context, ε is the infinitesimal)
< 1442374785 110262 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :EVERYTHING MAKES SENSE NOW
< 1442374790 221467 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I HAVE BEEN ENIGHTENED
< 1442374793 386627 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ET CETERA
< 1442374830 569290 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, ε**2 /does/ equal zero, right?
< 1442374837 643014 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or is ε**2 still ε?
< 1442374902 939155 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Better than explicit dual numbers is this thing where you don't have any numbers d such that d^2 = 0, but you do have a set D = {x | x <- R, x^2 = 0} and you universally quantify over D.
< 1442374927 358019 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh/
< 1442374935 277198 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let me try to remember how set notation works
< 1442374951 82156 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So that's equivalent to the pseudopythonic...
< 1442374952 774977 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think http://math.andrej.com/2008/08/13/intuitionistic-mathematics-for-physics/ might be the thing I'm talking about.
< 1442374968 748390 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Buh, buh, but D = {}
< 1442374975 265376 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :set(*[x for x in AllRealNumbers if x**2==0]), correct
< 1442374978 30604 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1442374980 238930 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: D contains 0, at leat.
< 1442375003 628957 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Ah, duh, of course it does.
< 1442375015 607381 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the thing is that it might contain other things.
< 1442375026 927299 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So is the infinitesimal a nilpotent or not?
< 1442375052 223556 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: I would say it is *analogous to* the nilpotent.
< 1442375058 942522 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah
< 1442375065 644346 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the closest I'd get without some heavy proofing.
< 1442375069 649558 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are all sorts of infinitesimals.
< 1442375077 348586 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So the surreal numbers include the dual numbers?
< 1442375154 539524 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This isn't going to be a mathematical engine so much as a convoluted blob of everything I know about math or can find out about math molded into one, monolithic structure
< 1442375174 314521 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example, surreal quaternion matrices will be a thing.
< 1442375191 702991 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which, I suppose, they technically are
< 1442375221 456939 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not well studied, but that sounds like a genuinely trivial thing to construct at least.
< 1442375264 168141 :mauris!~mauris@2601:58a:101:2cc0:3928:79a7:bbc7:cc19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"where you don't have any numbers d such that d^2 = 0" -- what about d=0?
< 1442375265 349708 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: They will support Kleene Algebra
< 1442375289 117424 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mauris: 0**2=i
< 1442375304 362371 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mauris: You can't explicitly name any nonzero numbers d such that d^2 = 0.
< 1442375317 670876 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are some articles about it that I'm thinking of that I can't find right now.
< 1442375327 644805 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Nonzero" is an important property there.
< 1442375329 633784 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But anyway you gotta do it in a topos or something.
< 1442375364 90066 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I include the Notta Numbers?
< 1442375364 470766 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the thing about it is that as long as you can prove your thing works with *all* d with that property, you can divide by d.
< 1442375371 851095 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD
< 1442375372 102332 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even if the only d you ever actually deal with is 0.
< 1442375375 55512 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or something like that?
< 1442375421 604489 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Nopfunge14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44225&oldid=44224 5* 0369.165.212.148 5* (+358) 10Some more tidying up
< 1442375425 40237 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seriously
< 1442375427 852897 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Notta Numbers
< 1442375450 58954 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ζ=1/0
< 1442375456 365012 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where ζ is the Notta Constant
< 1442375467 472182 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD
< 1442375478 958940 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am genuinely surprised that is not a thing
< 1442375549 75072 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Notta Sums are of the form a+bζ
< 1442376085 670548 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Nopfunge14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44226&oldid=44225 5* 0369.165.212.148 5* (+27) 10A little more editing
< 1442376146 781338 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442376159 584472 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok this time I've created a monster :3
< 1442376214 476331 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's befunge, except the program on the right side of ; is repeated an infinite number of copies
< 1442376235 395659 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(horizontally)
< 1442376249 118600 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and everything below = is repeated an infinite number of copies (vertically)
< 1442376289 834604 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and it has no operations except for ^ v < > and space
< 1442376296 673349 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Nopfunge
< 1442376357 413332 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it is turing complete :D
< 1442376992 381776 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm back! Since I left, I've been writing a program to calculate that hpoids are of the form...
< 1442376993 193462 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a+bi+cω+dε+eζ+fωi+gεi+hiζ+iεω+jωζ+kεζ+lεωi+mωiζ+nεiζ+oεωζ+pεωiζ
< 1442377062 941898 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: We noticed you editing it
< 1442377076 385866 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh... right :o
< 1442377077 308357 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :LD
< 1442377078 461106 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1442377110 545443 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you impressed by the new kind of number I made up?
< 1442377144 240137 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shit
< 1442377148 275882 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It probably messed up with i
< 1442377155 904705 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I don't really get what they are for
< 1442377169 314841 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's basically a generalization of complex surreal numbers
< 1442377171 678177 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It includes:
< 1442377188 158383 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :- The real numbers (any constant)
< 1442377197 558166 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :- The imaginaries (anything with i)
< 1442377210 28279 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :- The infinites (anything with gamma)
< 1442377225 630827 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :- The infinitesimals (anything with epsilon)
< 1442377232 469349 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :- The Notta Numbers (anything with zeta)
< 1442377266 446366 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, the dual numbers, which use the nilpotent/infinitesimal times a real number added to a real number
< 1442377289 787519 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :o
< 1442377330 380084 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Curious about the Notta Numbers?
< 1442377338 911183 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I'm not familiar with surreal and etc
< 1442377353 842105 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and notta which doesn't seem to return anything on the goog
< 1442377375 116340 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The surreal numbers are a set of number generalized to include infinities and infinitesimals
< 1442377388 237841 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surreal_number
< 1442377394 224200 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That page has a nice diagram on it for you
< 1442377402 512657 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you could add in quaternions too
< 1442377408 515091 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Complex you hopefully understand
< 1442377409 860984 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO
< 1442377422 628904 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Notta Numbers are a thing I made up
< 1442377431 147172 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Read it out loud
< 1442377443 979280 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the o makes the ah sound)
< 1442377466 350560 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Notta constant, ζ, is equal to 1/0
< 1442377488 988727 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A notta number is a real number times the notta constant, xζ, and is equal to x/0
< 1442377500 486639 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :0ζ is equal to All Real Numbers
< 1442377527 358946 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A Notta Sum is analagous to complex numbers, a+bζ
< 1442377532 10250 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In mathspeak:
< 1442377537 43492 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ζ=1/0
< 1442377543 780666 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :aζ=a/0
< 1442377551 255804 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :0ζ=R
< 1442377581 968368 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Notta Sums can't be represented any better than just the formula a+bζ in mathspeak
< 1442377758 597580 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
< 1442378094 797316 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's gonna take some time to understand surreals
< 1442378123 977541 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :unlike complex numbers it's not really something with an application in my field
< 1442378142 48051 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah
< 1442378155 546708 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it really _has_ an application in _any_ field
< 1442378160 877673 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except topology...
< 1442378164 908697 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weirdos...
< 1442378170 111645 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh :3
< 1442378247 819190 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I write a python library to represent the Uber Numbers?
< 1442378328 220140 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I will
< 1442378374 548208 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :PRESSING QUESTION 1: Are the Infinities and Infinitesimals their own axis, like the Imaginaries, or a generalization of the Reals?
< 1442378383 330382 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really don't know
< 1442378396 478191 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably a new axis, but I'm not 100% sure
< 1442378428 561569 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I'm bringing in you. Your sage advice may just be useful in this situation
< 1442378440 741337 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :infinitesimals I consider are evil
< 1442378467 444863 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ω*ε==1, correct?
< 1442378472 185330 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :My advice is being more concise.
< 1442378485 340717 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :simply because on x86 if you have a calculation that gives infinitesimals it slows to a crawl because some idiot thought handling underflows in an interrupt was a good idea
< 1442378500 515700 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ouch
< 1442378507 585100 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What, do you write compilers or something?
< 1442378515 939859 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sound processing
< 1442378544 39002 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : Ah
< 1442378547 621774 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah
< 1442378551 223477 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : Ah
< 1442378552 676036 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Ah
< 1442378556 922428 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :   Ah
< 1442378559 347466 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :stuff like  mem += (input - mem) * param;
< 1442378564 238094 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :happens often
< 1442378566 132960 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, couldn't resist
< 1442378566 907388 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah
< 1442378579 987104 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if input is zero, mem falls exponentially
< 1442378599 353750 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Careful, don't reveal corporate secrets ;)
< 1442378599 839966 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :eventually it gives out very small but nonzero numbers
< 1442378611 769928 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very small but nonzero?
< 1442378630 110741 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :under 2 ^ -127
< 1442378664 996466 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pfft
< 1442378667 746382 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's nothing
< 1442378667 926225 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is when the cpu starts generating so called "denormal" numbers
< 1442378673 529232 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ans slows to a crawl
< 1442378677 821905 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I say infinitesimal, I'm talking 1/∞
< 1442378697 79949 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be nothing if it didn't take 100x more cpu
< 1442378726 642226 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denormal_number
< 1442378808 620495 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :computations involving floating point infinity or NAN are also horrible
< 1442378841 221121 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I understand that those were introduced for engineers but their performance is so poor that they're unusable
< 1442378907 595158 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I still don't know whether to represent infinity and infinitesimal on their own axis or as an extension of the real axis
< 1442378941 265343 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure of what they even are tbh
< 1442378948 677616 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net
< 1442378949 130531 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Their own doesn't sound right because then abs(x) where x is an uber with a value for infinity will be finite
< 1442379043 569906 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there should be a function giving the non-infinitesimal part of x
< 1442379054 666370 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But extension doesn't sound right either because of a+bω+cε+dεω
< 1442379063 612546 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a function giving thr infinite part of x
< 1442379068 373338 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which couldn't be represented property
< 1442379104 909522 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dεω = d
< 1442379121 29972 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh right xD
< 1442379228 345286 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :however dε² ≠ dε
< 1442379266 874343 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh
< 1442379273 38612 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hence there is infinitesimal, and infintesimesimal, etc.
< 1442379274 560578 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you'd need a whole array
< 1442379293 940570 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: I'm using python, so I'll either uses a class or a map (in a class) xD
< 1442379296 87075 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :for epsilon, epsilon^2, epsilon^3, epsilon^4 etc
< 1442379303 714272 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1442379333 142610 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should read about the formalization of calculus on the Hyperreals
< 1442379344 448256 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hyperreals are scow.
< 1442379352 484803 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is an alternative to the use of limits
< 1442379354 583235 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That other thing I talked about is where it's at.
< 1442379359 683431 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren_: So should infinity be on a different axis or an extension of the reals? If it's an extension, the sum of a finite number and a non-finite number won't work unless I do sometheing weird
< 1442379379 470798 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You use hyperreals, and then you take the real part of your hyperreal ratio anyway.
< 1442379380 819723 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is a different axis
< 1442379389 611674 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So what have you gained over limits? Like, nothing, man.
< 1442379403 916795 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Synthetic differential geometry, or smooth infinitesimal analysis, or whatever it is, is where it's at.
< 1442379419 517304 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: you've gained the ability to talk like Leibniz
< 1442379422 727501 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fwiw
< 1442379439 54635 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does Leibniz talk?
< 1442379449 904339 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he uses infinitesimals
< 1442379453 755914 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dy/dx
< 1442379500 802858 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren_: And if I do the separate axis, abs(3+4ω)=5
< 1442379505 972848 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that doesn't seem right
< 1442379512 627729 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems like it should be 3+4ω
< 1442379529 168268 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :abs doesn't collapse all the axes
< 1442379558 571645 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need to heve different functions to collapse different axes. for example st()
< 1442379573 980057 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ironically, function smoothness seems to be related to turing completeness
< 1442379609 464035 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like turing complete -> function is recursive -> function is non smooth
< 1442379613 60085 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren_: It does for complex numbers...
< 1442379626 176091 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :st() is defines such that st(a + bε + cε²) = a
< 1442379652 834172 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You've lost me
< 1442379656 351120 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: right but not for hyperreals or in this case i guess hypercomplexes
< 1442379664 836518 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh
< 1442379677 557099 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: st() gives the non-infinitesimal part
< 1442379694 893007 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, what's ²? Is that... superscript epsilon?
< 1442379703 365230 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to need help with this xD
< 1442379714 295541 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it is superscript 2
< 1442379732 662013 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my point is, all the epsilon parts of st(x) are removed
< 1442379745 357160 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah?
< 1442379793 527815 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1442379799 563231 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperreal_number
< 1442379807 696216 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not doing hyperreals
< 1442379810 196074 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or am I?
< 1442379821 372112 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are
< 1442379827 718309 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weird
< 1442379837 641878 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are doing hypercomplexes
< 1442379852 520986 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interesting
< 1442379866 825115 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even if it's the superreals instead of the complexes?
< 1442379913 695422 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well
< 1442379927 848144 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm now writing the most mathematically strange python library ever
< 1442380020 913409 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bitwise functions are going to be a pain
< 1442380032 79709 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How the hell does that even work?
< 1442380046 9895 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is bitwise complex numbers a thing?
< 1442380050 956953 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If so, how does _that_ work?
< 1442380161 356471 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should probably exclude the Notta numbers because that's just made up bullshit
< 1442381411 730654 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the question isn't "are they bullshit", the question is more like "are they coherent"
< 1442381458 919492 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Notta numbers?
< 1442381632 449053 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, bitwise complex numbers would work like any other bitwise operation on a rotation value.
< 1442381779 732199 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Notta numbers are descibed further up.
< 1442381809 368067 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :[23:50]  the Notta Numbers
< 1442381809 548349 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :[23:50]  ζ=1/0
< 1442381809 548443 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :[23:50]  Where ζ is the Notta Constant
< 1442381809 548472 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :[23:51]  xD
< 1442381809 548504 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :[23:51]  I am genuinely surprised that is not a thing
< 1442381809 548531 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :[23:52]  Notta Sums are of the form a+bζ
< 1442381859 217820 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I pesonally prefer the idea of the number circle more, but won't condem other systems.
< 1442381993 343598 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :number circle?
< 1442382032 486333 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A circle of infinite radius is a line, so the reverse also hold true.
< 1442382069 761610 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :When graphing numbers, each axis is a line, and thus a circle of infinite radius.
< 1442382071 690750 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah
< 1442382077 354559 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-76-149.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1442382097 902687 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So if 0 is at 0 degrees on that circle, 1 is at 90 degrees.
< 1442382108 791577 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interesting
< 1442382109 432136 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude, and inf=-inf?
< 1442382119 301492 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes
< 1442382139 993572 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/0 * -1/-1 = -1/0
< 1442382157 350511 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/x would converge at the opposite side of the circle at 0.
< 1442382157 568103 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/0 * 1 = -1/0
< 1442382182 6143 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :With the 2d graph being an infinite torus.
< 1442382225 16571 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And where does ati, defined such that |ati| = -1, fit into this?
< 1442382240 671310 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I really attempted that at one point)
< 1442382258 832012 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't ehard of ai?
< 1442382266 380130 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made it up when I was young
< 1442382311 381909 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ is probably a good enough abbreviation
< 1442382317 697827 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or @i, not sure which
< 1442382331 874965 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe ai
< 1442382332 446884 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It sounds interesting, but I'm not sure how to visualise it well.
< 1442382384 154305 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wouild |-ati| also equal -1 or is it trickier than that?
< 1442382404 785655 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember
< 1442382427 677394 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does |a||b| = |ab| generally hold without ati?
< 1442382451 771895 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I struggled more with addition than multiplication. This was a long time ago though
< 1442382480 610264 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it would?
< 1442382518 584670 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since sign is basically treated separately from other aspects of multiplying.
< 1442382547 405026 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just a matter of wether an odd or even number of the number being multiplied are negative.
< 1442382549 575319 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If |a| + |b| >= |a + b|, then |a| - 1 >= |a + @|
< 1442382680 98442 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does anyone here want to help me write a story reminiscent of Flatland based on http://xkcd.com/839/
< 1442382705 357369 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1442382707 791425 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :|@| + |-@| = -1 + -1 = -2; |@ + -@| <= -2?
< 1442382712 392651 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!!
< 1442382713 338702 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :How exciting!
< 1442382796 181995 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooooh
< 1442382804 714608 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ is now my favorite number :)
< 1442382807 674982 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude, help?
< 1442382824 270464 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No one?
< 1442382829 661172 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://xkcd.com/839/ people. http://xkcd.com/839/.
< 1442382838 155413 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :We could say that that above rule is bad or that |-@| isn't -1, I think
< 1442382866 324380 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :|-@| is most certainly 1
< 1442382910 990084 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That means giving up a nice multiplication rule though, I feel intuitively that the addition one was more questionable
< 1442382913 941482 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: I decided to check if you made it up
< 1442382926 949760 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I DDGed "|x|=-1 !wa"
< 1442382934 977721 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wolfram Alpha gave me this:
< 1442382941 258171 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Alternative form: False"
< 1442382963 711980 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1442382980 952135 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So no one wants to help me write an xkcd 839 full story? :,(
< 1442382987 362634 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am off to the sleep world.
< 1442382993 943906 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's nearly 2AM.
< 1442382995 192619 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], that xkcd reminded me of b
< 1442383000 270061 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDream
< 1442383004 796736 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of what?
< 1442383038 851411 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :B
< 1442383046 864503 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :B nomic
< 1442383047 89304 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure what "b" or "B" is 
< 1442383049 366631 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But OK
< 1442383078 264789 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was a grid once, and objects place around the grid, including a valuable one far away where it would take a lot of time and resources to reach
< 1442383096 331900 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except none of that happened because nothing had happened for years
< 1442383108 309409 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :We only thought that that stuff happened
< 1442383130 76508 :MDream!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :10/10 art film concept
< 1442383178 635211 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh
< 1442383184 962906 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nomic looks like a cool game
< 1442383669 112555 :bender|!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442383697 915912 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi, bender|!
< 1442383710 159483 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm making a story based on xkcd 839!
< 1442383792 344042 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would you like to help?
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< 1442383947 100056 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bender|
< 1442383952 136452 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You on?
< 1442383978 190930 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :|@||@| = |@@|?
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< 1442384233 959889 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :|x| = @?
< 1442384343 300695 :yiyus!~124271242@je.je.je QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1442384379 43818 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: What's @**2?
< 1442384383 742888 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@!?
< 1442384403 403801 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think @! needs to be well defined
< 1442384407 962112 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does
< 1442384409 627716 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait
< 1442384412 84843 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's @
< 1442384413 283398 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Duh
< 1442384430 115579 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION would be cautious about saying duh about any of this
< 1442384440 986975 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is
< 1442384446 806007 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@=1@
< 1442384449 966839 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :1!=1
< 1442384483 88586 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :5=1*5; 1!=1
< 1442384558 636665 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, right
< 1442384560 657881 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOWEVER
< 1442384565 748187 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ is the Fake Unit
< 1442384612 219922 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm calling them the fake numbers because fake is the opposite of real, and |x| when x (- R is always positive, and |@x| when x (- r is always negative)
< 1442384621 41667 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD
< 1442384655 692339 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's by analogy to i!=i
< 1442384657 523483 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume
< 1442384687 714588 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait
< 1442384688 669250 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=i+factorial
< 1442384695 401289 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No it isn't
< 1442384696 164197 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD
< 1442384701 537728 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :WTF is going on there!?
< 1442384721 534622 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.49801566811835604271369111746219809195296296758765009289264... -
< 1442384721 712468 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.15494982830181068512495513048388660519587965207932493026588... i
< 1442384740 945432 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to guess gamma or zeta function shenanigan
< 1442384741 535091 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s
< 1442384800 629612 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zeta function?
< 1442384805 847858 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never heard of that one...
< 1442384820 125585 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heard of the Gamma Function and the Pi Function, of course
< 1442384850 595893 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So what kinds of units are there?
< 1442384856 179025 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :1: The Unit
< 1442384857 630913 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gamma function. I didn't rememeber whether extension of factorial was gamma or zeta. Apparently a zeta function does exist.
< 1442384863 739848 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :-1: The inverse unit
< 1442384883 16653 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gamma: The INFINIE unit
< 1442384895 372704 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Epsilon: The infinitessimal unit
< 1442384943 382430 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zeta: The Notta Constant/unit
< 1442384949 399732 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i: The imaginary unit
< 1442384954 845272 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@: the fake unit
< 1442384974 701589 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :6 axes
< 1442384993 544497 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Take THAT, klein!
< 1442385025 91942 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :.......
< 1442385058 10256 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ is the time unit. Doesn't distance in relativity work something like x^2 + y^2 + z^2 - t^2? Almost like t is a negative distance?
< 1442385105 346904 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Define || such that |a+b@| = sqrt(a^2 - b^2). What happens?
< 1442385109 162296 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interesting...
< 1442385114 488785 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, that doesn't work if we allow imaginaries
< 1442385142 313778 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder
< 1442385146 224213 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it could still be interesting to play with
< 1442385168 164407 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :|1+@| = 0
< 1442385171 674302 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many units do we need such that any algebraic expression is satisfiable WITHOUT just a "It doesn't work" unit?
< 1442385176 805701 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Infinity
< 1442385179 662609 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm calling it
< 1442385241 842339 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I... think this shows that @ can be defined to have consistent rules, since that is a sensible function, and for reals that function matches absolute value
< 1442385284 438374 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whelp
< 1442385288 56230 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Congratulations
< 1442385295 146533 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You've invented a new branch of mathematics!
< 1442385303 885513 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now you need to choose a greek letter for @!
< 1442385323 684309 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or a normal letter
< 1442385334 356964 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a with a dot over the tail
< 1442385337 362461 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or an astrological sign. That works too
< 1442385348 171419 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Add it to unicode people
< 1442385369 484631 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's... evil.
< 1442385426 193860 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bender|: Hellooo?
< 1442385430 699131 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait my function's totally broken
< 1442385437 163697 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How so?
< 1442385475 353667 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :|@| = sqrt(- 1^2) = i
< 1442385494 385484 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it because it means @=-1?
< 1442385528 447039 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sqrt actually naturally gives +- results
< 1442385537 669289 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the function is defined to ignore the negative
< 1442385544 514555 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course
< 1442385553 749290 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait
< 1442385564 34715 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought |@| was defined to be -1
< 1442385591 406088 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :|x|=i is still defined to be False
< 1442385591 849506 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is, but sqrt(a^2 - b^2) doesn't work as a definition of |a+b@| if we want |@| to = -1
< 1442385601 475545 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah
< 1442385627 813148 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it's just the @plex numbers that are messed up currently?
< 1442385644 419079 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The c@mplex numbers?
< 1442385648 72554 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well we could just define |a+b@| = |a| - |b| if we want to do things the obvious way
< 1442385700 169947 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :THe obvious thing to do from there is put some @ into a and b and see what breaks
< 1442385729 898944 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :|@ + @| = |@| - |@| = 0
< 1442385735 754867 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is, uh
< 1442385773 293264 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it... reasonable to exclude @-numbers from a and b? I can't tell, but I'm guessing not
< 1442385842 12702 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait I'm dumb |@ + @| = |@| - 1 = -1 - 1 = -2
< 1442385892 792050 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's @**2 though?
< 1442385915 976439 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :|@@| = -|@| = 1
< 1442385922 797805 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems reasonable to me
< 1442385960 779570 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1442385974 81362 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm making a document listing all the units
< 1442386012 380923 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think unlike the prior function this one might still be breakable, because it's basically defined recursively
< 1442386095 564413 :sc00fy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
< 1442386099 979024 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still want to write a story about xkcd 839...
< 1442386255 222023 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0ByRvNdqqy3GPMWRTU3R6ZXJyZm8&usp=sharing
< 1442386351 817060 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: We can document @ and other units there
< 1442386471 817010 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :|#|=i
< 1442386529 993930 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_?
< 1442386588 906811 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it's possible with the current definition, you can only get real numbers. Could try some other shenanigans to get imaginary, but right now want sleep
< 1442386600 581015 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know xD
< 1442386601 374296 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1442386616 849390 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :|$|=@
< 1442386629 280686 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :find sqrt($)
< 1442386632 248825 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD
< 1442387486 108100 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.190.253.145 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442387763 989400 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi, AnotherTest!
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< 1442393369 612474 :Kozmo!~Kozmo@86.104.31.121 NICK :theprobist69420
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< 1442393904 593280 :Kozmo!~Kozmo@86.104.31.121 NICK :theprobist69420
< 1442394033 914647 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
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< 1442394083 479866 :heddwch!~heddwch@76.8.3.189 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442394302 410811 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1442394562 638010 :Kozmo!~Kozmo@86.104.31.121 JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1442394622 612162 :theprobist69420!~theprobis@86.104.31.121 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442395811 893292 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is today's xkcd supposed to be a reference to that infamous D&D monster that looks like a rabbit on a tree stump? 
< 1442395880 816816 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't get today's xkcd at all
< 1442396352 346795 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I like Nopfunge
< 1442396390 750006 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I'll impl it later
< 1442396903 74269 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442396976 374257 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1442397265 342402 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442398234 455993 :oerjan_!oerjan@129.241.210.46 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442398255 155647 :oerjan_!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ping
< 1442398255 333895 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong
< 1442398301 391534 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oren_  oh right. x^x = 1 when x = 1,  and x^x is a smooth function.   hence (1/x)^(1/x) approaches 1 as x -> +oo <-- your conclusion is right but your argument is wrong hth
< 1442398301 569517 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ping
< 1442398301 569605 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^help
< 1442398301 569628 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ping
< 1442398301 569647 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION thinks he's splat
< 1442398301 569667 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help
< 1442398301 570091 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1442398301 570142 :zemhill!bfjoust@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I do !zjoust; see http://zem.fi/bfjoust/ for more information.
< 1442398301 570162 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :That Pong alone cannot stop!
< 1442398301 570183 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Changing server
< 1442398301 570201 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ ; ^def   ; ^show [command]; lang=bf/ul, code=text/str:N; ^str 0-9 get/set/add [text]; ^style [style]; ^bool
< 1442398301 570220 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong
< 1442398302 217431 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​help: General commands: !help, !info, !bf_txtgen. See also !help languages, !help userinterps. You can get help on some commands by typing !help .
< 1442398312 781797 :oerjan_!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmph
< 1442398320 107040 :oerjan_!oerjan@129.241.210.46 NICK :oerjan
< 1442398376 164794 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice to see all your messages twice...
< 1442398825 402271 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm.
< 1442398830 891802 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@botsnack
< 1442398831 81175 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1442398835 310773 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1
< 1442398836 706547 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1
< 1442398861 653239 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :odd.
< 1442398875 116602 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: it was just my original server being lagged
< 1442398891 107010 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i reconnected
< 1442398917 428310 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, I didn't check the timestamps. thanks.
< 1442398951 863392 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/your/my/
< 1442399685 975516 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442399701 651986 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bood morningly
< 1442399713 222929 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, close to
< 1442399896 954000 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Quit: BBL
< 1442400029 352760 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oren_ Protip: logarithms
< 1442400029 534926 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1442400129 788778 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've somehow got 3 log tabs open. although 2 are of the same date.
< 1442400136 330270 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442400156 669562 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(no, they're not redundant.)
< 1442400284 813681 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oren_ oh missed your correction. i still think that's circular, though.
< 1442400284 991957 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1442400375 991955 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bon matœrjan!
< 1442400660 549893 :theprobist69420!~theprobis@86.104.31.121 QUIT :Quit: Brb, i will probe someone.
< 1442400701 679819 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds probable
< 1442400768 840728 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sound reasoning.
< 1442400785 629254 :theprobist69420!~theprobis@86.104.31.121 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442401314 536423 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell hppavilion[1]  MWAHAHAHAHA I HAVE RUINED MILLIONS OF PAST TEXTS EVERYWHERE <-- /g doesn't actually make much of a difference there hth
< 1442401314 714103 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1442401379 109195 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1442402068 338900 :llue!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442402139 87120 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1442403193 167696 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: CALENDAR CHICKEN
< 1442404428 155649 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442404551 345859 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-76-149.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442404734 985435 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
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< 1442404889 480221 :theprobist69420!~theprobis@86.104.31.121 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1442404910 936658 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`culprits wisdom/toe
< 1442404912 367158 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1] hppavilion[1] hppavilion[1] hppavilion[1] hppavilion[1]
< 1442404921 91768 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? toe
< 1442404922 34338 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Toe of Harriness's Enclosure
< 1442404929 114221 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rm wisdom/toe
< 1442404930 984722 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1442404936 902097 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? the
< 1442404937 848801 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Toe of Harriness's Enclosure
< 1442405118 680980 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? b
< 1442405119 711300 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :B is, in fact, a village in norway
< 1442405149 246006 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn B is _not_ a village in Norway, unless you're even worse than the BBC and drop accented letters altogether.
< 1442405151 128738 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'b': B is _not_ a village in Norway, unless you're even worse than the BBC and drop accented letters altogether.
< 1442405160 356700 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? Å
< 1442405161 455656 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Å _is_ a village in Norway, unless you're the BBC and don't understand things on top of letters.
< 1442405298 434373 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn B is _not_ a village in Norway, unless you're even worse than the BBC and drop letters with things on top of them altogether.
< 1442405300 620587 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'b': B is _not_ a village in Norway, unless you're even worse than the BBC and drop letters with things on top of them altogether.
< 1442405337 225252 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm wait
< 1442405393 971867 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn B is _not_ a village in Norway, unless you're even worse than the BBC and drop strange letters altogether.
< 1442405395 892271 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'b': B is _not_ a village in Norway, unless you're even worse than the BBC and drop strange letters altogether.
< 1442405455 290460 :theprobist69420!~theprobis@86.104.31.121 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442405780 786234 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Bø is not just one, but _two_ municipalities in Norway.  And not just three, but at least _four_ farms.  Ah ah ah!
< 1442405783 1964 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'bø': Bø is not just one, but _two_ municipalities in Norway.  And not just three, but at least _four_ farms.  Ah ah ah!
< 1442405983 970363 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? Ii
< 1442405984 646070 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ii? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1442405995 505831 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Ii is a muncipality in Finland, no matter what you do.
< 1442405997 264991 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'ii': Ii is a muncipality in Finland, no matter what you do.
< 1442405997 908047 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ¢
< 1442405998 586383 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​¢? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1442406014 526415 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Poland has a place called Hel
< 1442406019 493601 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i -e 's/munc/munic/' wisdom/ii
< 1442406022 893203 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1442406050 264778 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Norway has a place called Hell hth
< 1442406058 43598 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn_append ii Except for speaking Swedish.
< 1442406060 94861 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'ii': Ii is a municipality in Finland, no matter what you do. Except for speaking Swedish.
< 1442406067 784878 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's "Ijo" in Swedish.)
< 1442406097 565273 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Is it very bright there?
< 1442406099 139920 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Bø is not just one, but _two_ municipalities in Norway. And not just three, but at least _four_ farms. Ah ah ah ah ah!
< 1442406101 990228 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'bø': Bø is not just one, but _two_ municipalities in Norway. And not just three, but at least _four_ farms. Ah ah ah ah ah!
< 1442406110 982906 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Their "you're entering Ii" road sign looks like a pause button: https://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ii#/media/File:Roadsign_of_Ii_municipality_Finland.jpg
< 1442406124 615959 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: not that i know of
< 1442406157 729600 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is a place in Austria called Fucking
< 1442406166 267270 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know.
< 1442406179 870608 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is a place in Australia called Sydney
< 1442406219 935672 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: What about Oberfucking and Unterfucking?
< 1442406288 609711 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do not remember
< 1442406310 6924 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are apparently at least four places called Å
< 1442406317 529400 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1442406326 452648 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tricky business
< 1442406335 346258 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds
< 1442406345 114074 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :England has Shitterton
< 1442406426 717076 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In 2010, the inhabitants banded together to purchase a 1.5-ton block of Purbeck Stone to place at the entrance to Shitterton, carved with the hamlet's name." That's one solution to having your sign stolen
< 1442406440 852302 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? y
< 1442406442 199431 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :y? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1442406477 634643 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Y is a commune in France. There's nothing funny about this.
< 1442406480 134549 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'y': Y is a commune in France. There's nothing funny about this.
< 1442406497 492361 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is also a Y in Alaska
< 1442406513 523348 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :curses
< 1442406586 936947 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn L is far too short to be a village in Wales.
< 1442406587 758168 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :ncurses
< 1442406589 90252 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'l': L is far too short to be a village in Wales.
< 1442406595 414785 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`culprits l
< 1442406596 732931 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1442406600 201476 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Canada has London
< 1442406603 312985 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`culprits wisdom/l
< 1442406604 968745 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan
< 1442406610 392004 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know
< 1442406611 874238 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`culprits .
< 1442406614 527359 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan oerjan oerjan fizzie fizzie fizzie oerjan oerjan oerjan oerjan oerjan hppavilion[1] hppavilion[1] hppavilion[1] oren_ hppavilion[1] hppavilion[1] oren_ hppavilion[1] oren_ hppavilion[1] hppavilion[1] Phantom__Hoover hppavilion[1] oerjan tswett tswett tswett oerjan tswett tswett tswett tswett oerjan b_jonas 
< 1442406619 494457 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oops
< 1442406633 726284 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that _might_ be incomplete hth
< 1442406647 388210 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`culprits /
< 1442406648 231011 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :abort: / not under root
< 1442406912 139112 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"root not under root", when read aloud.
< 1442406952 510196 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? wisdome
< 1442406953 293015 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The place where all of HackBot's wisdom is stored and forced to fight to the death for the freedom of being printed out when you type `wisdom
< 1442406966 426712 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442406970 273171 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` sed -i 's/The/The Wisdome is the/' wisdom/wisdome
< 1442406972 24430 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1442406974 959495 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? wisdome
< 1442406975 841526 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Wisdome is the place where all of HackBot's wisdom is stored and forced to fight to the death for the freedom of being printed out when you type `wisdom
< 1442407009 977657 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` sed -i 's/$/./' wisdom/wisdome
< 1442407011 961508 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1442407059 385528 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is the kind of inattention to detail that leads to all software being crap hth
< 1442407270 837588 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Now I'm tempted to write a HackBot fanfic about the Wisdome <-- someone has even more too much free time than i do
< 1442407381 662000 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ln -s / root
< 1442407384 129273 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1442407391 242235 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls root
< 1442407392 41300 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin \ dev \ etc \ hackenv \ home \ lib \ lib64 \ opt \ proc \ sbin \ sys \ tmp \ usr
< 1442407398 178068 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well
< 1442407402 972334 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell boily  and here I was thinking that int-e was oerjan's good twin. or at least the less evil one. <-- i'm just so evil i need two good twins hth
< 1442407403 169577 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1442407414 373456 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems that message is just specific to culprits
< 1442407416 191780 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls /
< 1442407416 811235 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin \ dev \ etc \ hackenv \ home \ lib \ lib64 \ opt \ proc \ sbin \ sys \ tmp \ usr
< 1442407421 162526 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rm root
< 1442407422 690536 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1442407434 666351 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: i think it's a message from hg
< 1442407442 805668 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/culprits
< 1442407443 425943 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hg log --removed "$1" | grep summary: | awk '{print substr($2,2,length($2)-2)}' | sed "s/.$/\x0F&/" | xargs
< 1442407453 714302 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` hg log /
< 1442407454 584309 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :abort: / not under root
< 1442407683 293071 :mauris!~mauris@2601:58a:101:2cc0:3928:79a7:bbc7:cc19 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1442407767 123445 :bender|!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1442407798 65530 :mauris!~mauris@2601:58a:101:2cc0:3564:4234:89a9:b8c2 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442408099 697452 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Loader14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44227&oldid=44212 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (+1) 10
< 1442408565 185351 :mauris!~mauris@2601:58a:101:2cc0:3564:4234:89a9:b8c2 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1442408647 99231 :bender|!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442408649 400477 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442409396 80538 :mauris!~mauris@2601:58a:101:2cc0:3564:4234:89a9:b8c2 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442409725 990327 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442410473 362202 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-76-149.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1442410978 989441 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1442411601 349301 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-76-149.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442411702 197088 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442412023 268865 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-76-149.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1442412199 91130 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1442412932 128455 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1442413166 356460 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-108-6.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442414388 878971 :aretecode!~aretecode@50.23.131.206-static.reverse.softlayer.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1442414571 823350 :aretecode!~aretecode@69.4.235.219 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442414844 351592 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-108-6.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1442414923 772259 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ping
< 1442414923 950840 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong
< 1442414930 714508 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm
< 1442415005 272136 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-96-154.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442415192 428557 :MDream!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1442415984 389321 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1442416049 528815 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442416172 58220 :Spiritualcreativ!~vero@156.46.69.86.rev.sfr.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442416499 278002 :J_Arcane_!~chatzilla@37-219-36-0.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442416642 353713 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-96-154.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1442416644 878092 :J_Arcane_!~chatzilla@37-219-36-0.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi NICK :J_Arcane
< 1442416675 685358 :Spiritualcreativ!~vero@156.46.69.86.rev.sfr.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :who speak french ?
< 1442416707 941609 :Spiritualcreativ!~vero@156.46.69.86.rev.sfr.net PART :#esoteric
< 1442417800 846970 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`bonjour
< 1442417801 391874 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: bonjour: not found
< 1442417814 497118 :J_Arcane_!~chatzilla@37-219-233-195.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442417833 763867 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`bienvenu
< 1442417834 283914 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: bienvenu: not found
< 1442417913 297960 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-36-0.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1442417914 275472 :J_Arcane_!~chatzilla@37-219-233-195.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi NICK :J_Arcane
< 1442418117 206388 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`benvenu
< 1442418117 872329 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: benvenu: not found
< 1442418123 814931 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmph
< 1442418152 181230 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442418264 168252 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls bin/*nv*
< 1442418264 975551 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin/arienvenido \ bin/benvenuto \ bin/bienvenido
< 1442418275 482229 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :none of those look very french
< 1442418302 314405 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` grep -R venu wisdom
< 1442418303 222000 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom/bienvenue:Bienvenue au centre international pour le design et le déploiement des langages de programmation ésotériques! Pour plus d’informations, visitez le wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (Pour l’autre type d'ésotérisme, essayez #esoteric sur irc.dal.net.) \ Binary file wisdom/reflection matches
< 1442418308 687361 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah there it is
< 1442418329 120772 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? wisdom.fr
< 1442418329 796471 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom.fr? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1442418343 545542 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` mv wisdom/{bienvenue,wisdom.fr}
< 1442418345 693222 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1442418394 589390 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome
< 1442418395 422129 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: . (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.)
< 1442418427 375482 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh
< 1442418431 983317 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? welcome.fr
< 1442418432 658918 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :welcome.fr? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1442418456 743286 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` mv wisdom/{wisdom,welcome}.fr
< 1442418458 548212 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1442418466 691196 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` sed -i 's/irc.dal.net/EFnet ou DALnet/' wisdom/welcome.fr
< 1442418468 266522 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1442418472 974449 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? welcome.fr
< 1442418473 749896 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bienvenue au centre international pour le design et le déploiement des langages de programmation ésotériques! Pour plus d’informations, visitez le wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (Pour l’autre type d'ésotérisme, essayez #esoteric sur EFnet ou DALnet.)
< 1442418481 173585 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/welcome
< 1442418481 875722 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/usr/bin/perl -w \ if (defined($_=shift)) { s/ *$//;  s/ +/ @ /g; exec "bin/@", $_ . " ? welcome"; } else { exec "bin/?", "welcome"; }
< 1442418500 238390 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/bienvenido
< 1442418500 844575 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/usr/bin/perl -w \ if (defined($_=shift)) { s/ *$//;  s/ +/ @ /g; exec "bin/@", $_ . " ? welcome.es"; } else { exec "bin/?", "welcome.es"; }
< 1442418557 641753 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` cp bin/{bienvenido,bienvenue}; sed -i 's/\.es/.fr/g' bin/bienvenue
< 1442418561 741798 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1442418573 771708 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`bienvenue Jafet 
< 1442418574 724175 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: Bienvenue au centre international pour le design et le déploiement des langages de programmation ésotériques! Pour plus d’informations, visitez le wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (Pour l’autre type d'ésotérisme, essayez #esoteric sur EFnet ou DALnet.)
< 1442418796 540147 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ggbxmueaoevvmgcy QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity
< 1442419498 226000 :J_Arcane_!~chatzilla@37-219-205-39.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442419663 631830 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-233-195.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
< 1442419671 263063 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 QUIT :Quit: Au revoir
< 1442419672 597799 :J_Arcane_!~chatzilla@37-219-205-39.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi NICK :J_Arcane
< 1442419725 894117 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1442419746 493137 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@c83-253-251-164.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442419746 671563 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@c83-253-251-164.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Changing host
< 1442419746 671596 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442420225 932811 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep
< 1442420361 582713 :sc00fy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442420610 601461 :sc00fy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1442420766 74109 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-87.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442420845 122017 :adu!~ajr@static-108-48-76-162.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442421144 48430 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-205-39.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
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< 1442421734 950867 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442421816 371505 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-109-13.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1442421823 357924 :nycs!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442421994 908840 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1442422505 693327 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-87.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
< 1442422582 941512 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442422746 77702 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.190.253.145 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1442423161 406568 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442423312 587338 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-64-199.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442423397 11013 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@2a02:2c40:400::1:6e46 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442423407 270029 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@2a02:2c40:400::1:6e46 QUIT :Client Quit
< 1442423993 353704 :atrapado!~atrapado@unaffiliated/atrapado JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442425278 940171 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Hexagony14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=44228 5* 03Martin Büttner 5* (+11013) 10Created page with "'''Hexagony''' is a two-dimensional stack-based programming language developed by [[user:Martin Büttner]]. To the best of the author's knowledge it's the first ever 2D langua..."
< 1442425302 33965 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44229&oldid=44196 5* 03Martin Büttner 5* (+15) 10/* H */
< 1442425487 116915 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Martin Büttner14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44230&oldid=43937 5* 03Martin Büttner 5* (+387) 10add Hexagony and Marbelous
< 1442425618 290199 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442427060 332935 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Hexagony14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=44231 5* 03Ais523 5* (+595) 10related esolang
< 1442429285 575905 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-72.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442429624 807611 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-72.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bender|: Hi!
< 1442429702 19110 :adu!~ajr@static-108-48-76-162.washdc.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: adu
< 1442429875 993395 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu
< 1442431048 881629 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Quit: BBS
< 1442431060 575238 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-72.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
< 1442431447 468266 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442431835 614503 :MoALTz!~no@78.11.179.104 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442431959 146512 :x10A94!~x10A94@178.252.73.97 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1442432076 403269 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1442432126 69518 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442433910 64703 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442435209 389940 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Quit: Alas.
< 1442435234 339201 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442435463 431640 :mihow!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442435579 133503 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1442435964 413669 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442436134 76698 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442436662 577131 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-76.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442436895 179299 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-76.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, IRC!
< 1442436903 165624 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-76.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bender|: *Sigh*
< 1442437149 868646 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1442437283 622435 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-76.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait.
< 1442437301 688537 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-76.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 is /legally allowed/ to leave the channel!?
< 1442437303 160744 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-76.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoa!
< 1442437362 637251 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-76.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to make a useful Thue derivative
< 1442437481 90637 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bad idea
< 1442437568 674699 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], ais leaves quite often...
< 1442437577 295489 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-76.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I was kidding
< 1442437598 913877 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-76.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Isn't that, with "So do it" appended, the Esolangs motto?
< 1442437626 765796 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: no, I mean it's a boring, unesoteric idea
< 1442437664 434300 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-76.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Useful =/= nesoteric
< 1442437684 119687 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], do you mean adding system stuff like file handling to it
< 1442437688 242972 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-76.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/nes/unes/
< 1442437694 218599 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-76.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Exactly
< 1442437695 569180 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442437698 906985 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-76.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And cleaning up the grammar a bit
< 1442437723 699308 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-76.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :We need delimeters on strings, people.
< 1442437737 212514 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :that could be interesting but you should try to make it really fit into the language
< 1442437751 139635 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-76.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :a::=~"Hello, World!"
< 1442437751 317313 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-76.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :::=
< 1442437751 317390 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-76.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :a
< 1442437773 985360 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-76.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And libraries, of course
< 1442437776 368971 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't go the lazy way and make it a wrapper on the output or a couple of special patterns
< 1442437789 460716 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-76.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, what?
< 1442437891 988339 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-76.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: ?
< 1442437898 859615 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, how to describe it...
< 1442437927 509954 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :like if you did your file i/o just by writing "open(whatever)" to stdout
< 1442437986 694305 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-76.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I /was/ considering making CATFILE work like:
< 1442438020 743611 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-76.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :walrus
< 1442438024 692570 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-76.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :walrus
< 1442438024 915038 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-76.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :walrus
< 1442438026 224257 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-76.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1442438032 673201 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-76.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Got a newline on my clipboard
< 1442438084 8995 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-76.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :a ::= ~"Hello, world!"
< 1442438084 226129 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-76.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :::=
< 1442438084 226191 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-76.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :readf("a.txt") #a.txt contains the letter "a"
< 1442438099 592186 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-76.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Is that not esoteric enough?
< 1442438198 193488 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-76.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps the ^ operator that behaves like :::?
< 1442438224 642668 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't really mind that at first glance
< 1442438225 125859 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442438225 775253 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-76.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :a ::= ~^"Hello.txt"
< 1442438225 955758 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-76.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :::=
< 1442438226 134704 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-76.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :a
< 1442438233 810333 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net
< 1442438237 553651 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-76.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like that one
< 1442438253 695978 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :function notation is a bit alien to thue though so the second one is probably better
< 1442438261 488099 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-76.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ype
< 1442438264 117433 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-76.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Yep
< 1442438270 175894 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-76.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's go with the second one
< 1442438280 918444 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-76.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What should I call this language?
< 1442438335 304206 :nycs!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1442438345 437898 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-76.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tue? (pronounced like "two"?) ( Phantom_Hoover )
< 1442438356 989653 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tube
< 1442438363 223637 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pronounced two-B
< 1442438388 835077 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-76.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thube?
< 1442438479 571168 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Thube14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=44232 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+224) 10Created Page
< 1442438531 44135 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-76.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm calling it Thube for now
< 1442438536 642508 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442438579 174853 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-76.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: Internet crash?
< 1442438588 808316 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :evidently
< 1442438620 754784 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-76.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sux
< 1442438628 408210 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1442438632 969042 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-76.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've named the language Thube for now and added it to a wiki page
< 1442438637 908190 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-76.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, to add real content to that page
< 1442438771 456165 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Thube14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44233&oldid=44232 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+106) 10Goals
< 1442438832 84672 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF93F9A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442438905 745916 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], i think you should try to address the criticisms of thue here while you're at it: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Thue#Criticisms
< 1442438968 683067 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha wow it's impossible* to write a cat program in thue
< 1442439004 185263 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :*you can do it by transforming every character to its output but that's awful
< 1442439093 610014 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-76.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
< 1442439124 528986 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1442439354 405537 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do think thue would benefit if you could add new rules at runtime
< 1442439378 930562 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF93F9A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de QUIT :Quit: We are the revolutionaries
< 1442439446 579771 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: that is the first time I've ever seen an IRC message with an actual, planned in advance, footnote
< 1442439485 191242 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i started doing that the other day
< 1442439492 362606 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's great, way easier than brackets
< 1442439497 377686 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is a good practise. Keep it up.
< 1442439506 157776 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :practice, taneb
< 1442439507 293964 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :practice
< 1442439516 988493 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forget which is the noun and which is the verb
< 1442439557 783435 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :nouns have a c, verbs have an s
< 1442439561 151496 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442439573 186935 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the subject of things I forget sometimes, I'm going to go to sleep now
< 1442439575 935440 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goodnight
< 1442439584 257175 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :dammit man i was going to explain the mnemonic
< 1442439586 132128 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :english is so ugly
< 1442439607 325537 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: @tell me it or something
< 1442439647 978305 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :using @tell would be degrading to my craft
< 1442439748 655915 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: most cat variants (e.g. output in reverse) are probably impossible to do reliably in Thue because you can mimic whatever strings it uses for internal data storage
< 1442439750 79562 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhinito
< 1442439753 394022 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why the hell would you actually do that?
< 1442439780 487092 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, practise/practice
< 1442439785 151537 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the hell
< 1442439877 906505 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1442439948 979090 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname, say 'advice', then 'advise'
< 1442439965 693419 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure practice and practise had the same distinction but drifted together
< 1442440054 946794 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :still ugly
< 1442440083 815446 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like when you read old verse and you can see the aftermath of the great vowel shift because half the rhymes no longer work
< 1442440148 608619 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-76.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442441169 153628 :atrapado!~atrapado@unaffiliated/atrapado QUIT :Quit: Leaving
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< 1442441327 881244 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-76.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bender|: bender| bender| bender| bender|
< 1442441548 28331 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :
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< 1442441600 771355 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in
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< 1442441747 812688 :guido__!~guido@net-2-32-164-149.cust.dsl.teletu.it QUIT :Client Quit
< 1442442435 792068 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-76.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sigh*
< 1442442822 137060 :randy-!~randy--@net-2-32-164-149.cust.dsl.teletu.it QUIT :Quit: Sto andando via
< 1442443356 612168 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-76.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
< 1442443906 11845 :shikhinito!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin
< 1442444150 404096 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hallooooooooo
< 1442444394 398049 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@3-42-174-206.static.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442444422 215490 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hippavilion1!
< 1442444661 624330 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
< 1442446680 22361 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442446754 797569 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Monkeys14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44234&oldid=40966 5* 03David.werecat 5* (+110) 10Updated interpreter to new open source C interpreter
< 1442446980 662921 :jose1!~vit@186-95-176-105.genericrev.cantv.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442447112 170449 :jose1!~vit@186-95-176-105.genericrev.cantv.net PART :#esoteric
< 1442447412 391917 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@3-42-174-206.static.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1442447472 529226 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monkeys looks like a nica language
< 1442447806 300654 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442448125 464965 :llue!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu QUIT :Quit: That's what she said
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< 1442448813 456400 :MDude!~fyrc@67.235.0.195 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442449059 514027 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Hexagony14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44235&oldid=44228 5* 03Timwi 5* (+207) 10Example: Hello, World!
< 1442449082 500136 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Hexagony14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44236&oldid=44235 5* 03Timwi 5* (+16) 10
< 1442449311 709833 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Hexagony14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44237&oldid=44236 5* 03Timwi 5* (+1) 10/* Source code */
< 1442449357 847633 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Hexagony14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44238&oldid=44237 5* 03Timwi 5* (-3) 10/* Source code */
< 1442449450 155247 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Hexagony14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44239&oldid=44238 5* 03Timwi 5* (+3) 10/* Control flow */
< 1442449521 75476 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Hexagony14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44240&oldid=44239 5* 03Timwi 5* (+2) 10/* Memory model */
< 1442449900 960112 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Hexagony14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44241&oldid=44240 5* 03Timwi 5* (+84) 10/* Memory model */ Grammar/phrasing
< 1442449926 412616 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu
< 1442450031 826341 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Hexagony14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44242&oldid=44241 5* 03Timwi 5* (+39) 10Backticks are (functionally) stripped too
< 1442450158 258106 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Hexagony14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44243&oldid=44242 5* 03Timwi 5* (+112) 10The ` (backtick) is not a command, but an interpreter feature, so I’m taking the liberty to move it to the bottom
< 1442450208 255118 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Hexagony14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44244&oldid=44243 5* 03Timwi 5* (-1) 10/* Arithmetic */
< 1442450375 411592 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Hexagony14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44245&oldid=44244 5* 03Timwi 5* (+13) 10/* I/O */
< 1442450535 972413 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Hexagony14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44246&oldid=44245 5* 03Timwi 5* (+171) 10/* Control flow */
< 1442450604 769430 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Hexagony14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44247&oldid=44246 5* 03Timwi 5* (+8) 10/* Memory manipulation */
< 1442450621 430675 :heddwch!~heddwch@76.8.3.189 NICK :heddwchele
< 1442450647 507273 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Hexagony14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44248&oldid=44247 5* 03Timwi 5* (+1) 10/* Memory manipulation */
< 1442450707 579707 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Hexagony14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44249&oldid=44248 5* 03Timwi 5* (+6) 10/* External Resources */
< 1442450732 289921 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Hexagony14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44250&oldid=44249 5* 03Timwi 5* (-1) 10
< 1442451207 12072 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've put in (numbered) footnotes with [*1], but I've appended them on the same line, after a double-space.
< 1442451218 765904 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In retrospect, the numbering isn't very useful, because I've only ever had one.
< 1442451742 851752 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :|@^@| = ?
< 1442451804 261594 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :"To the best of the author's knowledge it's the first ever 2D language where the instruction pointer moves on a hexagonal grid."
< 1442451818 576151 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :for god's sake man you're not going to win an award for it
< 1442451907 141591 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't need any award for being the first (as far as I know) to reach MAX_FLOAT in SL
< 1442452327 319191 :MDude!~fyrc@67.235.0.195 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know I saw some art project that looked like an instruction pointer moving along a hexagonal grid, but I'm pretty sure it was taken down.
< 1442452367 300282 :MDude!~fyrc@67.235.0.195 PRIVMSG #esoteric :For some reason the author was frustrated at people thinking it might actually be a nice idea for anything but a simple art demo.
< 1442452539 332942 :Tod-Autojoined2!Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net NICK :TodPunk
< 1442452743 813914 :heddwchele!~heddwch@76.8.3.189 NICK :heddwch
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< 1442453502 358418 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/s/s/
< 1442453518 295942 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :////
< 1442453526 410748 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops, ///*
< 1442453543 228796 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...wait, wasn't that s/s//
< 1442453549 254765 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or s/s//g
< 1442453549 777648 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was
< 1442453551 153032 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD
< 1442453557 166236 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin
< 1442453580 917624 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was goin to say: "You mean \"s/\/\/\/\//\/\/\//\"?"
< 1442453612 904080 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, I really meant s/s\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\/\\\\//
< 1442453748 553916 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What other things are there besides s/a/b/c notation?
< 1442454160 314617 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442454510 677371 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi, adu!
< 1442454514 557682 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1442454521 221971 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's up?
< 1442454581 36628 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :did I just say hi to a bot?
< 1442454594 770639 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], there are more things on heaven and earth than s/a/b/c notation, if that helps
< 1442454605 679387 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :adu, we're all bots here
< 1442454611 176809 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no
< 1442454650 529448 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: tell adu that he's talking to himself again
< 1442454697 752070 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No you did not xD
< 1442454753 90078 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: But is there, for example, g notation?
< 1442454760 884378 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :g/a/b/c/d/e or something
< 1442454805 571842 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/something/else/g comes from sed so look through docs for that i guess
< 1442454816 100148 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does
< 1442454825 372500 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But would g//// be grep notation or something?
< 1442454830 159139 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What IS grep, anyway?
< 1442454839 798292 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not very good at *nix xD
< 1442454897 390350 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: s/ is so Perl5, you should learn Perl6
< 1442454911 722895 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh
< 1442454918 786181 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perl6 is so much better
< 1442454943 334408 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got a book on perl from the bookstore
< 1442454947 983042 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then realized it's perl 5 xD
< 1442454957 905919 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], well that just comes from ed, which nobody uses any more
< 1442454967 347733 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah
< 1442454971 325529 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :grep is short for g/re/p where re is a regex you want to search for
< 1442454981 931350 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perl6 regexes are impossible to "import" into other languages, because Perl6 regexes are just functions
< 1442455006 753736 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I don't think they're going to be as popular as Perl5 regexes, which are just strings that get compiled
< 1442455158 479349 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perl5: "..." ~~ s/a/b/g
< 1442455160 315321 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perl6: "...".subst(/a/, /b/, :g)
< 1442455257 677319 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :adu: We all happen to be bots. You've accidentally stumbled into the conspiracy. You're now part of it. Can you be trusted?
< 1442455300 518673 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, because a bot would say yes, and I'm trying to be more human, so, no.
< 1442455471 570670 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everybody, we must deal with this as soon as possible. We must turn traffic lights red right before adu reaches them, we must delay adu's emails by up to an entire week, we must periodically create blackouts at adu's living area, we must introduce minute annoyances into adu's life until adu complies.
< 1442455531 299923 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I will comply
< 1442455536 759113 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I can't be trusted
< 1442455602 988961 :Thisbe!~Thisbe@99-148-190-17.lightspeed.renonv.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442456180 116742 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. In which case false alarm.
< 1442456194 708163 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Back to planning a take-over of the world.
< 1442456201 30073 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of many.
< 1442456260 274019 :Thisbe!~Thisbe@99-148-190-17.lightspeed.renonv.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1442456289 707507 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1442456449 483965 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442456632 536872 :mihow!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Quit: mihow
< 1442456872 15815 :mihow!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442457014 452013 :mihow!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Client Quit
< 1442457114 836595 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-092-072-164-084.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Quit: Terminated
< 1442457144 305080 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-092-072-164-084.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442457310 478078 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1442457390 975610 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442458922 2928 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plan! ꜠꜡ꜢꜣꜤꜥꜦꜧꜨꜩꜪꜫꜬꜭꜮꜯꜰꜱꜲꜳꜴꜵꜶꜷꜸꜹ₠₡₢₣₤₥₦₨₩₫₭₮₯₰₱₲₳₴₵⌒⌓⌔⌕⌖⌗⌘⌢⌣⌤⌥⌦⌧⌨⌫⌬ℌℐℑℒℓ℔℗℘ℛℜ℟℡℣℥Ω℧ℨ℩ℬℭ℮ℯ
< 1442458992 616716 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there, my daily spam of unicode characters to the channel ^H...^H showcase of characters I've added
< 1442459019 327636 :theprobist69420!~theprobis@86.104.31.121 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1442459148 354706 :mauris!~mauris@2601:58a:101:2cc0:3564:4234:89a9:b8c2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :adu: wouldn't that be .subst(/a/, 'b', :g)
< 1442459168 984038 :mauris!~mauris@2601:58a:101:2cc0:3564:4234:89a9:b8c2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: there is y/// in sed, which just does the same thing as "tr"
< 1442459172 883460 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mauris: oops, yes
< 1442459193 128726 :mauris!~mauris@2601:58a:101:2cc0:3564:4234:89a9:b8c2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. y/abc/xyz/ would turn all a's into x's, b's into y's, c's into z's.
< 1442459274 954100 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mauris: so you know Perl6?
< 1442460781 699147 :mauris!~mauris@2601:58a:101:2cc0:3564:4234:89a9:b8c2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope ^^
< 1442461499 67157 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1442462418 989984 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :y/e/q/g
< 1442462427 93350 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
< 1442462438 621243 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :WORLD TAKEOVER PHASE 1: COMPLETE!
< 1442462454 288461 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zgrep
< 1442462833 604998 :theprobist69420!~theprobis@86.104.31.121 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442463173 334401 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…
< 1442463299 653213 :mauris!~mauris@2601:58a:101:2cc0:3564:4234:89a9:b8c2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't even need the g flag, it always operates everywhere in the line(s) specified
< 1442463615 533269 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu
< 1442464771 981853 :bender|!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442465159 760878 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :e false alarm.
< 1442465160 207993 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : Back to planning a take-over of the world.
< 1442465160 388819 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : One of many.
< 1442465160 388902 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Thisbe has quit 
< 1442465162 75566 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait
< 1442465167 354853 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was the wrong message
< 1442465176 177060 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://xkcd.com/1138/
< 1442465186 562514 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose everyone here has seen it already
< 1442465189 535653 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's awesome xD
< 1442465199 223406 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And a particularly good one, IMHO
< 1442465785 601970 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :classic
< 1442466258 554097 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
< 1442467348 996193 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving...
< 1442467678 334570 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442468166 786036 :bender|!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], oh sorry
< 1442468173 471428 :bender|!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 PRIVMSG #esoteric :should've ghosted
< 1442468178 893841 :bender|!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wasn't online lol
< 1442468196 684591 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh
< 1442468198 93495 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD
< 1442468207 479817 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll be back in either a few minutes or an hour
< 1442468336 156544 :sc00fy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442468393 488786 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-64-199.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
< 1442468625 304159 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bender|: Back
< 1442468652 276307 :bender|!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 PRIVMSG #esoteric :front
< 1442468661 482354 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK then'
< 1442468691 384512 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-layxdnbxmotxrdrg JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442468752 280373 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've decided to make an improved (more useful) derivative of thue
< 1442468787 782402 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thube ("Thoo Bee") is what I'm currently calling it 
< 1442468796 752335 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :All I've got so far is file I/
< 1442468799 592916 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not file I/O
< 1442468801 605038 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just file I
< 1442468900 991569 :mauris!~mauris@2601:58a:101:2cc0:3564:4234:89a9:b8c2 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1442469387 852350 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bender| ?
< 1442469578 226400 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :O... K then.
< 1442469745 737149 :bender|!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1442469752 264119 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you at least do stdin at the same time?
< 1442469766 835244 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or read from two files
< 1442469774 889475 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: Yes,
< 1442469779 737803 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's a bit insecure
< 1442469799 313116 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a VM command to read a file and put its content as a null-terminated string at a certain index
< 1442469817 675466 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's also a command to get its size and put /that/ at a certain index
< 1442469929 386319 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: So yes, though the program does pause while the file is read
< 1442470029 74858 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bender|: Also, how does dynamic linking work? I'm yet to understand it
< 1442470040 764259 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :IF you wouldn't mind explaining.
< 1442470070 864693 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a rough idea, but it's probably entirely wrong (subroutine setupping commands, IMPORT command for a dll)
< 1442470075 691465 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(of sorts)
< 1442470263 824129 :bender|!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope you understand how static linking works?
< 1442470277 290916 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes?
< 1442470284 526832 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A file connects to another file?
< 1442470288 546267 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1442470290 578478 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No I don't
< 1442470293 301862 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll look it up
< 1442470322 13240 :x10A94!~x10A94@178.252.73.97 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442470326 978812 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should've realized there was static linking given that we have to specify that linking is dynamic xD
< 1442470422 607906 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Any computer is a laptop if you're brave enough"
< 1442470497 464089 :bender|!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dynamic linking is not that hard. What I do in my VM is that I've my compiler generate position-independent code for the dynamic library. And there's headers in the library binary which points to the relative address of functions, I load the library into the memory by allocating executable pages, and putting it there. When there's a call to a function in the dynamic library, I get the address from a table created from the function table
< 1442470497 878526 :bender|!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 PRIVMSG #esoteric : in the library during loading.
< 1442470506 176491 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah
< 1442470507 558144 :bender|!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, there's probably better ways to do it.
< 1442470517 988947 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it's where the file is copied over
< 1442470530 427162 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I figured that didn't even count as linking xD
< 1442470541 195407 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm talking about static linking, not dynamic linking)
< 1442470554 628765 :bender|!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's basically linking object files into an executable.
< 1442470577 774113 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah?
< 1442470591 804501 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Object files? (Can you tell I'm a megan00b?)
< 1442470628 177540 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :go write some assembly
< 1442470635 562971 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will at some point xD
< 1442470672 102729 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's good for an executable format? I'm currently using a null-terminated ID string that says what version of what subVM to use, followed by a flat binary.
< 1442470700 558362 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For archive format, I'm going to use a .tar.gz with a different file extension (because that's acceptable, apparently)
< 1442470958 134376 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So object files, from a preliminary overview, appear to be files that contain variables and subroutines, etc. with some kind of mapping as to what is called what
< 1442470964 149347 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that correct?
< 1442471259 78497 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
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< 1442478764 157642 :atehwa_!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi NICK :atehwa
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< 1442480425 891882 :heddwch!~heddwch@76.8.3.189 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
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< 1442483191 29499 :SinClad!18ab5c0f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.171.92.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is everyone afk?
< 1442483283 613536 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :more or less
< 1442483290 227431 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly more
< 1442483300 303478 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :though I like less more
< 1442483302 821854 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :see what I did there
< 1442485418 272436 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442485469 135178 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :According to the operator providing this mobile Internet connection, archive.org "contains content that isn't suitable for under 18s" and is therefore blocked. (It's a Three pay-as-you-go deal, and there were done extra steps involved in disabling the filter.)
< 1442485504 369659 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I'm sure they're right.
< 1442485538 76979 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, probably something in there isn't suitable for anyone.
< 1442485660 807744 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :l/g 105
< 1442485662 564773 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fail
< 1442485663 981554 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry
< 1442485664 948743 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( send them an exasperated email explaining how you found porn on google.com and why they don't block that as well. )
< 1442485705 324662 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(unfortunately, it's likely to end up being read by someone without a sense of humor)
< 1442485755 652404 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :incidentally, when did Googe introduce "moderately safe search" as a default?
< 1442485947 571334 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442487192 878602 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :moderately safe?
< 1442487198 958059 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@massages-loud
< 1442487199 135513 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan said 22h 9m 55s ago:  and here I was thinking that int-e was oerjan's good twin. or at least the less evil one. <-- i'm just so evil i need two good twins hth
< 1442487736 721570 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask oerjan you're so evil, are you also into cats?
< 1442487736 899429 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1442488341 136393 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Hexagony14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44251&oldid=44250 5* 03Martin Büttner 5* (+336) 10clarify specification about debugging feature.
< 1442489199 555760 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Am I the only one who accidently reads 'lambdadot' every single time?
< 1442489209 474616 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :since I first came here two years ago
< 1442489216 119810 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes
< 1442489223 502419 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok :|
< 1442489271 334674 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellokgit03.
< 1442489275 372560 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tanelle.
< 1442489341 66775 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't talk for long, I'm going to have a shower then do the old buy-up-all-the-shirts-in-a-charity-shop-so-I-don't-have-to-do-laundry trick
< 1442489375 904033 :theprobist69420!~theprobis@86.104.31.121 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1442489386 921251 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you don't have any shirts after shower until they're delivered
< 1442489414 813202 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :speaking of showers, it's time.
< 1442489422 516663 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: BOTTOMLESS CHICKEN
< 1442489488 251668 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :hkgit03: the trick is to do this when you have one shirt spare
< 1442489511 141971 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. I've pulled it once.
< 1442489753 405037 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you prevent double validation in applications?
< 1442489767 540246 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have a model, with setFoo(...), setBar(..), setFooBar(...)
< 1442489779 122830 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :each method will perform an input validation and throw an IllegalFormatException
< 1442489797 322664 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :But now you're in the controller and handling user input
< 1442489832 167978 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you wrap all set calls into a try block you can't tell the user which thing failed
< 1442489841 900763 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but wrapping every set call into a seperate try block looks nasty/bloaty as fuck
< 1442489849 884666 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Hexagony14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44252&oldid=44231 5* 03Timwi 5* (+267) 10
< 1442489859 68886 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and by doing isValidFoo() in the controller
< 1442489873 171547 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are actually doing double validation since setFoo will validate it another time as well
< 1442489928 659100 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could wrap all set calls in a try-block and if you catch an illegalformatexception then call each isValid method to determine what exactly went wrong.
< 1442489950 162223 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you'd still be double validating some inputs
< 1442489951 844844 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I get your problem but couldn't the method getCause() help?
< 1442489981 58859 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :You mean the model sets an internal flag before throwing the exception?
< 1442489995 441919 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which says which input was invalid?
< 1442490010 126425 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I understand it correctly it returns an.. .erm...... http://docs.oracle.com/javase/7/docs/api/java/lang/Throwable.html#getCause()
< 1442490034 716562 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it returns a Throwable
< 1442490055 187809 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :cause is just another exception
< 1442490057 19271 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think
< 1442490069 43015 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :¯n(
< 1442490069 220919 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :_o)/¯
< 1442490074 369772 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I broke it
< 1442490076 154987 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :you use causes when you wrap low-level exceptions into high-level exceptions
< 1442490094 812979 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :such as DBException caused by an IOException caused by an FileNotFoundException or whatever
< 1442490123 205397 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hkgit03: I'm trying to get rid of double validating user inputs
< 1442490142 30249 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a neatly fashion.
< 1442490154 810862 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then I can't help.
< 1442490158 499604 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now
< 1442490307 587098 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codepad.org/YecoVAYY <- that's double validation
< 1442490474 834778 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION realizes he isn't very good at oo
< 1442490785 283142 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: isn't it possible to write your own exception class extending IllegalFormatException?
< 1442490816 905003 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which then includes an internal state (if IllegalFormatException does not already have that in some way)
< 1442490972 470561 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or implements Throwable instead of extending IllegalFormatException (since the latter does not add own fields or methods, only inherits)
< 1442490979 282290 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can define your own exceptions, yes.
< 1442491014 206617 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't mean to ask if it's possible, I meant to ask if it makes sense in your case
< 1442491106 201305 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'd need one FormatException for every model. 
< 1442491123 450196 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why?
< 1442491154 225672 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you use a List invalidFields; or something
< 1442491172 868104 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait
< 1442491184 503803 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that wouldn't work anyway :)
< 1442491190 94497 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why?
< 1442491207 652360 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :well if you wrap all set calls in a single try block
< 1442491216 233945 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :you wouldn't notice if two fields are invalid
< 1442491225 398228 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it'd abort at the first one throwing an exception
< 1442491234 822653 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought that was exactly what you wanted
< 1442491265 683106 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I give up. I'll delve into oo and java when I have more time
< 1442491277 992078 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1442491280 874484 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thx anyway
< 1442491304 946526 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*shrug* thanking a noob. Okay. You're welcome I guess
< 1442491527 369249 :bender|!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 PRIVMSG #esoteric :was that java
< 1442491615 333938 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1442491639 5675 :bender|!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you guys suck. c# uber alles 4 life. (obligatory /sarcasm).
< 1442491658 297487 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :no that's pseudo code
< 1442491661 228067 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm actually using PHP.
< 1442491672 273119 :bender|!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION feels rekt.
< 1442491674 906323 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the actual language doesn't really matter 
< 1442491682 377091 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a design problem, not a language problem :D
< 1442491740 888302 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you using a specific framework? (since you're using mvc)
< 1442491755 219861 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which, then, I would not know because I never used php
< 1442491768 399942 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I'm doing oldschool php from scratch :D
< 1442491802 122180 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :meaning I write objects as classes that represent tables
< 1442491844 346105 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which all have update(), insert() and byField() methods
< 1442491853 789005 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And by tables you mean?
< 1442492187 463975 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :sql tables
< 1442492240 303185 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :like $m = new Model(); $m->byId(0); $m->setFoo('foo'); $m->update();
< 1442492538 300003 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442493236 968105 :bender|!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1442493744 956113 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
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< 1442494219 66267 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1442494876 813387 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Please note that we are having three new desks installed opposite you -- and unfortunately there will be some disruption to you. REWS will need to swing desk 496E out of the window and --"
< 1442494884 168499 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds flashy.
< 1442495053 48640 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bah
< 1442495181 914839 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that was an unsuccessful charity shop raid
< 1442495213 107568 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hexham has a lot of charity shops. None of the ones I visited had much in the way of men's medium t-shirts
< 1442495772 540264 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hexham is a hexagonal ham
< 1442495832 978683 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442495916 862125 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? hexham
< 1442495917 720804 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hexham es la ciudad mas importante de programación esotérico
< 1442495972 330336 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but why is that so?
< 1442496137 979299 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :porque.
< 1442496293 923374 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? vatican
< 1442496294 818811 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :vatican is the super-rich part of italy. Sadly, it has a huge crime rate. You will be robbed.
< 1442496305 682484 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hexham sounds much nicer.
< 1442496882 965048 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1442497556 340004 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will create a Gödel machine in brainfuck with ed
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< 1442498947 319894 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1442499060 287009 :gruglen!~locgru@168.1.75.38-static.reverse.softlayer.com PART #esoteric :"Leaving"
< 1442499315 460247 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is internally more efficient in C? for(int i=0;i= 0; i++) f();  into "foo: call f; jmp foo", eliminating the test entirely, because it can be assumed to be always true.
< 1442502337 668210 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :because schools lack behind
< 1442502343 480485 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Since overflowing a signed int is undefined behavior.)
< 1442502357 531396 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yet, some still use 8086!
< 1442502396 894325 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so overflowing a signed int could eat my laundry
< 1442502460 167007 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a huge fan of the ostrich approach
< 1442502486 814065 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ignore problems until they become frequent.
< 1442502495 893521 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and overflows happen rather infrequently.
< 1442502594 198389 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :once they are frequent you check if you have the budget to fix them
< 1442502608 150433 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you don't have the budget you continue playing the ostrich game.
< 1442502629 535624 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :being an ostrich doesn't increase budget
< 1442502632 739830 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :with the right budget you can actually buy a real ostrich
< 1442502635 478524 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you prefer that
< 1442502652 529974 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are majestic living birds that can't fly.
< 1442502691 13628 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can race them.
< 1442502702 659026 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :birds that can't fly serve no purpose in this world
< 1442502705 545484 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be more fun though if you could air-race them
< 1442502712 205565 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :red bull ostrich air race
< 1442502742 514603 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but until gene scientists can teach ostrichs how to fly we won't have this absolutely must-have event yet.
< 1442502757 476018 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why we invent esolangs instead
< 1442502765 812136 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :work's done for today. Heading home. See you later.
< 1442502777 925897 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 QUIT :
< 1442503420 822980 :bender|!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 QUIT :Quit: [1337 rekt]
< 1442503611 255378 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ostrich
< 1442503612 45281 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ostrich used to be a large middle European empire in frequent conflict with Turkey. After a famine it sort of split into Ostrich/Hungry. Alas its policy of keeping its head in the sand did not get it through the Great War, and with its final attempts to take flight failing, it ended up cut into several pieces.
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< 1442504187 442990 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442504463 198862 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Danialgoodwin 5*  10New user account
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< 1442506189 36358 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages-
< 1442506189 213928 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily asked 5h 7m 32s ago: you're so evil, are you also into cats?
< 1442506212 245193 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell boily nope, definite dog person here.
< 1442506212 422849 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1442506794 876383 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: You mean, like, a werewolf? 
< 1442506834 319316 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm...
< 1442506884 551236 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-76.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442506996 534359 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-layxdnbxmotxrdrg QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity
< 1442507526 246563 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders why thomie cleared edwardk as owner on a bunch of ghc tickets
< 1442507737 316574 :mihow!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442508135 675328 :edwardk!sid47016@haskell/developer/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: because a lot of stuff got assigned to me preemptively
< 1442508533 889338 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1442510949 449480 :^v!~^v@68.41.215.101 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442510973 146775 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Nopfunge14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44253&oldid=44226 5* 0370.24.238.196 5* (+426) 10Added section about applicability to all 2d path walking problems
< 1442511113 878208 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first paragraoh alone is awesome
< 1442511814 28469 :MDude!~fyrc@67.235.0.195 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though Snakes and Ladders is probabalistic.
< 1442511842 615749 :SinClad!18ab5c0f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.171.92.15 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442511867 842856 :SinClad!18ab5c0f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.171.92.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How cant here be so many people yet no talking. Whats the point of being in a chat room?
< 1442512004 645310 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Nopfunge14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44254&oldid=44253 5* 0370.24.238.196 5* (+57) 10Replaced reference to Go with directed graphs and cellular automatons
< 1442512012 11513 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome SinClad 
< 1442512014 726640 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​08SinClad: 09Welcome 02to 06the 13international 04hub 07for 08esoteric 09programming 02language 06design 13and 04deployment! 07For 08more 09information, 02check 06out 13our 04wiki: 07. 08(For 09the 02other 06kind 13of 04esoterica, 07try 08#esoteric 09on 02EFnet 06or 13DALnet.)
< 1442512023 562909 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :SinClad: this channel has some silent periods
< 1442512072 178051 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :as for all the people who rarely talk - well some of them may be here for old times sake, and some might think the discussions are interesting to read
< 1442512085 382363 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And some might be stalking their next victim.
< 1442512094 599884 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAAAAAA
< 1442512171 835390 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :SinClad: oh and of course, time zones.  some people stay in the channel even when they're physically sleeping :P
< 1442512191 86438 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF939A6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442512197 245723 :SinClad!18ab5c0f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.171.92.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm I see
< 1442512279 847675 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there _are_ also a lot of people for which i cannot remember when they last spoke
< 1442512285 206567 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some people just aren't paying attention
< 1442512297 447311 :SinClad!18ab5c0f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.171.92.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What knowledge do you guys have that makes it esoteric? The programs languages are interesting but, seeing as I am not a programmer it holds little value to me.
< 1442512299 452807 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF939A6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I spoke several times today
< 1442512322 898950 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and some of them are actually bots.
< 1442512367 850517 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :S1: i think you didn't speak much for a while before this week, no?
< 1442512403 501883 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF939A6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I am hkgit03 when I am at work. I was here several hours today. Before that I was here sometimes and before /that/ I wasn't here for several months, yes
< 1442512438 444242 :SinClad!18ab5c0f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.171.92.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you guys practice?
< 1442512445 239808 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :S1: i _do_ vaguely remember that your nick is old, although it's so short that i'm worried i might be confusing you with someone else
< 1442512479 637306 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF939A6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I joined in november 2013. I was a bit more active then.
< 1442512487 326894 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF939A6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have much to do. Studies are ending
< 1442512489 355112 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :SinClad: most people here are programmers or mathematicians, and the channel is sort of about weird things in programming, often math related.
< 1442512524 730183 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well some people are also students or school pupils with a pretty high chance of _become_ programmers or mathematicians.
< 1442512531 947910 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*_becoming_
< 1442512538 22684 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF939A6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :which I am
< 1442512550 135647 :SinClad!18ab5c0f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.171.92.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah I see. Esoteric means something a little bit different to me some one like me.
< 1442512580 520078 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF939A6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :SinClad: See definition 1. https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/esoteric
< 1442512591 379693 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :SinClad: yeah.  that's why our welcome message which HackEgo gave you mentions those other channels at the end, which might be more like you expect
< 1442512690 322048 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :using the word "esoteric" for programming grew out of the title of a blog, which has alas since vanished (although the author has new stuff of the same kind).
< 1442512695 200080 :SinClad!18ab5c0f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.171.92.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well computer programming and occult practices are actually pretty similar.
< 1442512725 414092 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm or not blog, a webpage.
< 1442512753 152166 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :This channel is really just for Order of the Stick notifications and discussion.
< 1442512773 98429 :SinClad!18ab5c0f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.171.92.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So limiting
< 1442512796 790579 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION beats shachaf with a stick^Wten foot pole ----------
< 1442512860 51176 :SinClad!18ab5c0f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.171.92.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well I wwill stay for now. Someday I will need knowledge of programming but, that day is still almost a year away. Let me know if you guys are intrested in occult. I am quite accomplished.
< 1442512866 484097 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, we have a not too well organized wiki http://esolangs.org
< 1442512990 830593 :SinClad!18ab5c0f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.171.92.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I have read it
< 1442513016 193766 :MDude!~fyrc@67.235.0.195 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm wondering how to best represent cosine wave cominations as data in javascript.
< 1442513017 756226 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF939A6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how long is the shortest program to output the manpage for g++ and terminate...
< 1442513038 630375 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF939A6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: What you mean, "as data"?
< 1442513051 785258 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF939A6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just store the parameters?
< 1442513057 984975 :SinClad!18ab5c0f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.171.92.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :At first I had thought you guys were occultist practicing spells through computer programming. I was interested to say the least. Not many people use such a medium. Even less are those who are successful.
< 1442513100 302338 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF939A6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, we call upon the name of some mysterious bots in great awe
< 1442513105 269651 :MDude!~fyrc@67.235.0.195 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I'm more just wondering how to best parse textual input into a set of frequencies and amplitudes.
< 1442513124 435251 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF939A6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: You wanna make a fourier analysis on text?
< 1442513157 600046 :MDude!~fyrc@67.235.0.195 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty much http://esolangs.org/wiki/Codesine
< 1442513162 445888 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: wait a minute, are you a programmer or mathematician or something?
< 1442513173 329282 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: ex-mathematician hth
< 1442513180 57784 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are you now
< 1442513193 144144 :MDude!~fyrc@67.235.0.195 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not as an analysis of the text, I just want to be able to use text for an interactive interpreter.
< 1442513195 635156 :SinClad!18ab5c0f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.171.92.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well computer programming is actually a form of spell the only reason its occult knowledge is because even the people who program dont know what their capable of.
< 1442513222 30141 :MDude!~fyrc@67.235.0.195 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I can manually enter waves and perform operations on them.
< 1442513263 468805 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF939A6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: fascinating. Is there any example of this?
< 1442513305 663192 :SinClad!18ab5c0f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.171.92.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You guys look at problems backwards. Makes things difficult. Science minded folk. Using the left brain only moving forward. Its a powerful force of energy its just limiting cuz you can only move 1 way in time. So if you get stuck you get stuck on something for a while. 
< 1442513319 80626 :SinClad!18ab5c0f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.171.92.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You want me to give you a example?
< 1442513325 835871 :SinClad!18ab5c0f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.171.92.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or are you talking to someone else?
< 1442513330 751774 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF939A6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefixed MDude 
< 1442513335 611313 :SinClad!18ab5c0f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.171.92.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kk
< 1442513358 48602 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF939A6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :feel free anyway, I won't interrupt
< 1442513493 642356 :MDude!~fyrc@67.235.0.195 PRIVMSG #esoteric :S1: Not that I know of? But it's somewhat related to the way jpeg compression works.
< 1442513502 578009 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF939A6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I figured that
< 1442513522 958272 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF939A6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :The resulting uncertainty in return values might be interesting
< 1442513527 938233 :MDude!~fyrc@67.235.0.195 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure the idea came to me while trying to think of a way to make programming work mor elike tuning a physical instrument. 
< 1442513535 112485 :MDude!~fyrc@67.235.0.195 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*like
< 1442513546 284324 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF939A6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do analogue computers work in a similar way?
< 1442513597 525768 :MDude!~fyrc@67.235.0.195 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would think a hybrid computer might, but pure analog just has the wave stored as itself.
< 1442513625 613679 :MDude!~fyrc@67.235.0.195 PRIVMSG #esoteric :As a cam like the one used in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1i-dnAH9Y4
< 1442513801 711561 :MDude!~fyrc@67.235.0.195 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or here specifically: https://youtu.be/s1i-dnAH9Y4?t=10m12s
< 1442513827 35661 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF939A6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't watched the 45 min video yet. Also I am in the URL there
< 1442513884 263389 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF939A6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that's the same
< 1442513896 441166 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442513994 220504 :MDude!~fyrc@67.235.0.195 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's to a specific time on it.
< 1442514012 825745 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF939A6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes yes, I oversaw that
< 1442514128 785024 :SinClad!18ab5c0f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.171.92.15 QUIT :Quit: Page closed
< 1442514141 195487 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF939A6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Did I tell that #esoteric was the first channel I joined ever? Could have been that it even was the one which made me concider using IRC in the first place. Just saying.
< 1442514285 791527 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1442514490 806453 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa whoa whoa
< 1442514498 146881 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF939A6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ikr
< 1442514499 54720 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :in haskell, Coyoneda -| U -| Yoneda
< 1442514513 749613 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's U
< 1442514520 185910 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :forgetful functor hth
< 1442514535 114113 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :from endofunctors to polymorphic functions : forall a. f a -> g a 
< 1442514542 437908 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF939A6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? U
< 1442514543 433842 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :u monad?
< 1442514576 306772 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That reminds me that I wanted to `revert 5987.
< 1442514581 352786 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I guess I missed my chance.
< 1442514624 69259 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh food
< 1442514638 543545 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
< 1442514667 92371 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF939A6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :food.
< 1442514674 201867 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF939A6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de QUIT :Quit: We are the revolutionaries
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< 1442514715 63298 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Disconnected by services
< 1442514716 926950 :nycs!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com NICK :`^_^v
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< 1442515866 515548 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what happenned to Virgolang...
< 1442517109 335389 :MDude!~fyrc@67.235.0.195 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It got replaced by Libralang?
< 1442517369 99401 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442517536 799324 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1442517538 317112 :Froox!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442517712 627261 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
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< 1442520080 577233 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric : My sister was play a ranger in Doungeons&Dragons game this time she selected humans as the favored enemy; I think that is a good choice as they are so common. (This applies whether or not your character is human; if so you get these bonuses against yourself too)
< 1442520247 386111 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442520307 647049 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep
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< 1442520663 524991 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: the ranger I rolled for the 5th ed game I'm in had human as their chosen enemies
< 1442520669 289191 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But they were a drow
< 1442520677 648511 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I didn't get to play them anyway :(
< 1442520692 326565 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mostly due to the fact that drow do not like sunlight
< 1442520699 93542 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ended up with a tiefling paladin
< 1442520796 944240 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :My sister's character is also drow actually
< 1442520808 88116 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF939A6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :which game are you talking about?
< 1442520907 293036 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dungeons and Dragons
< 1442521056 625661 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I have recorded the character data of all of the new characters.
< 1442521235 963081 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :My sister's character is a ranger with classified alignment, my sister's friend's character is a monk who can also play flute, and my character is a scholar.
< 1442521267 943894 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :is e also a gentlebeing
< 1442521313 965469 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is who a gentlebeing?
< 1442521321 373031 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the scholar
< 1442521330 508777 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is a "gentlebeing"?
< 1442521341 605302 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF939A6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? gentlebeing
< 1442521342 333144 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gentlebeing? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1442521343 820293 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a gender neutral gentleman
< 1442521389 118057 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The gender is written "male"
< 1442521409 490493 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF939A6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :how to teach HackEgo new things?
< 1442521411 102767 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that case, is he a gentleman and a scholar
< 1442521420 720507 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: my drow ranger was a gentlebeing
< 1442521422 141963 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Nopfunge14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44255&oldid=44254 5* 03Keymaker 5* (+1621) 10Added a tool for translating Minsky Machine to Nopfunge.
< 1442521431 717937 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn A gentlebeing is a gender neutral gentleman.
< 1442521433 468696 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'gentlebeing': A gentlebeing is a gender neutral gentleman.
< 1442521449 860477 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF939A6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? oerjan
< 1442521450 604008 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your famous evil overlord oerjan is a lazy expert in future computation. Also an antediluvian Norwegian who hates Roald Dahl. He can never remember the word "amortized" so he put it here for convenience.
< 1442521465 904765 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, depending how you mean by "gentleman" here?
< 1442521483 200953 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: What alignment? Was it classified or something else?
< 1442521488 217409 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well a gentleman would know if he was hth
< 1442521515 261949 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I think I said neutral good by drow standards
< 1442521527 815659 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly lawful evil by anyone else's?
< 1442521537 183642 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn A gentlebeing is a gender and species neutral gentleman.
< 1442521538 901019 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'gentlebeing': A gentlebeing is a gender and species neutral gentleman.
< 1442521549 836877 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Ah, OK fine whatever
< 1442521644 391196 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: i didn't think D&D alignments depended on opinion, aren't they essentially basic axioms of nature
< 1442521655 37219 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I think it also depend on the campaign?
< 1442521682 494848 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: they believe that the rightful, natural place for a human is as a slave
< 1442521685 194393 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i guess they could vary by world
< 1442521725 47407 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(My design would be they are both, independent of each other but correlated to each other too)
< 1442521753 201633 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: one question here, i guess, is whether e.g. drow in your campaign world consider themselves good.
< 1442521782 862749 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. in the yafgc comic which is d&d world based, evil people are quite aware that they are.
< 1442521806 110429 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I think drow in this world would consider my character a bit overzealous
< 1442521809 499679 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it doesn't stay strictly to d&d in everything, mind you)
< 1442521935 303191 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :They in their backstory was kicked out of the drow community for studying humans a bit too intently, albeit for the right reasons (slaving)
< 1442522006 239542 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(For example, if a creature has Lawful and Evil descriptors then it counts as lawful and evil for the purpose of spells even if they are of other alignments; but they will be counted as the alignments they act at the same time too.)
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< 1442522127 586201 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Nopfunge14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44256&oldid=44255 5* 03Keymaker 5* (-1621) 10Removed my MM translator; realized that it has a gigantic flaw in its design... It can't work as it is.
< 1442522220 641586 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, you dislike Roald Dahl? Why?
< 1442522248 198215 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ask shachaf, he added that
< 1442522252 412683 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc
< 1442522256 991802 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :None of the other players in any game I have been in has ever written any back story yet at all
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< 1442522269 62378 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, so what is your actual opinion of his writings?
< 1442522276 954888 :MercurialHg!~Mercurial@94.123.202.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am making an Esoteric IDE in python!
< 1442522293 317047 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :MercurialHg: OK, when you finished we can see then
< 1442522297 953456 :MercurialHg!~Mercurial@94.123.202.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh ok
< 1442522308 957724 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Well, you didn't like it when I replaced irc.dal.net with irc.dahl.net in `welcome
< 1442522319 23023 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah
< 1442522331 182077 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :classified hth
< 1442522389 760697 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1442522415 448861 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, you should replace it with irc.valley.net obviously
< 1442522426 266972 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, since dal is Swedish for valley
< 1442522496 489359 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/logs/log/_esoteric/2013-01-24#205651
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< 1442523039 75659 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo fields medal | h
< 1442523039 703250 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fiehlds mehdahl
< 1442523075 360609 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I probably shouldn't have done that.
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< 1442523174 2075 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo shachaf | h
< 1442523174 626685 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shahchahf
< 1442523179 318797 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/h
< 1442523179 880094 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/usr/bin/perl -p \ s/([aeiouy])([bcdfghjklmnpqrstvxz])/$1h$2/ig
< 1442523185 829816 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean the dahl thing.
< 1442523186 34440 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah perl
< 1442523265 888474 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` (echo hi; echo there) | h
< 1442523266 505766 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi \ thehre
< 1442523466 199869 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF939A6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :What exactly is the difference between ` and `` for HackEgo?
< 1442523501 909887 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF939A6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :` does not allow those parenthesis around echo as it seems, but which syntax exactly does `` support?
< 1442523502 415800 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: : not found
< 1442523511 281560 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF939A6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yea yea
< 1442523519 719639 :MercurialHg!~Mercurial@94.123.203.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which languages i should add to esoteria?
< 1442523527 773883 :MercurialHg!~Mercurial@94.123.203.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(my esoteric ide)
< 1442523536 610231 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF939A6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :MercurialHg: Brainfuck, Intercal, False, Befunge
< 1442523572 969537 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :S1: by default, when you do `command ... ..., all of ... ... are passed as a _single_ argument to command.
< 1442523582 901854 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no shell escaping, nothing
< 1442523610 22948 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it's not even executing a shell, IIRC.
< 1442523630 16645 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` is a command that passes the rest to an actual shell.
< 1442523630 574600 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: is: command not found
< 1442523633 980256 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/`
< 1442523634 484726 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :TIMEFORMAT='real: %lR, user: %lU, sys: %lS' exec bash -c -- "$1"
< 1442523655 618231 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"`run x" is the builtin/"official" (FSVO) way to do "`` x".
< 1442523672 18281 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF939A6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :FSVO?
< 1442523675 796502 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :For some value of.
< 1442523683 500300 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :we now have 3 versions of that.  `run is the original, and is actually builtin.  `` and ``` do slightly different things to the environment.
< 1442523710 800100 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :originally `` was just to abbreviate, then someone didn't like how `` time worked, so...
< 1442523716 87386 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like the inconsistent space after ``. I don't mind it with `run, but `` looks too much like `.
< 1442523717 602378 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/``
< 1442523719 141587 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :export LANG=C; exec bash -c "$@"
< 1442523738 650218 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :then zzo38 added ``` which makes the locale C.
< 1442523832 954286 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` --version
< 1442523833 517740 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: --: invalid option \ Usage:	bash [GNU long option] [option] ... \ 	bash [GNU long option] [option] script-file ... \ GNU long options: \ 	--debug \ 	--debugger \ 	--dump-po-strings \ 	--dump-strings \ 	--help \ 	--init-file \ 	--login \ 	--noediting \ 	--noprofile \ 	--norc \ 	--posix \ 	--protected \ 	--rcfile \ 	--restricted \ 	--verbose \ 
< 1442523843 294379 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think `run also isn't using bash, but dash
< 1442523847 750595 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo $SHELL
< 1442523848 374505 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/bin/sh
< 1442523860 388747 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run --version
< 1442523860 990943 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: --: invalid option \ Usage:	bash [GNU long option] [option] ... \ 	bash [GNU long option] [option] script-file ... \ GNU long options: \ 	--debug \ 	--debugger \ 	--dump-po-strings \ 	--dump-strings \ 	--help \ 	--init-file \ 	--login \ 	--noediting \ 	--noprofile \ 	--norc \ 	--posix \ 	--protected \ 	--rcfile \ 	--restricted \ 	--verbose \ 
< 1442523868 755327 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm or not
< 1442523880 46707 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`/bin/sh --version
< 1442523880 545972 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/bin/sh: 0: Illegal option --
< 1442523912 853334 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, istr /bin/sh is dash.
< 1442523932 914577 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`strings /bin/sh
< 1442523935 21436 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF939A6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's why `echo $SHELL didn't work
< 1442523935 219068 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 \ k-P( \ __gmon_start__ \ libc.so.6 \ strcpy \ sigsuspend \ readdir \ strsignal \ isalpha \ pipe \ __strdup \ closedir \ isblank \ fork \ sigprocmask \ sigfillset \ realloc \ abort \ _exit \ strpbrk \ getpid \ kill \ strspn \ imaxdiv \ isspace \ strtod \ strtok \ strtol \ isatty \ strchrnul \ isprint \ getpwnam \ getp
< 1442524098 780017 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` readlink $(which sh)
< 1442524099 350596 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dash
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< 1442524158 680473 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Befunge14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44257&oldid=43611 5* 03Mikescher 5* (+117) 10/* Befunge-93 */
< 1442524175 71593 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF939A6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls -l $SHELL
< 1442524175 784182 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lrwxrwxrwx 1 0 0 4 Mar  1  2012 /bin/sh -> dash
< 1442524242 282341 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo $BASH_VERSION
< 1442524242 910200 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :4.2.37(1)-release
< 1442524251 418691 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That one runs under bash, if that wasn't established yet.
< 1442524512 566723 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF939A6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :have a good night
< 1442524514 16379 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF939A6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :o7
< 1442524519 258943 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i demand an example program for nopfunge
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< 1442525046 815373 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I invented a "Wizard of Knowledge" prestige class for Dungeons&Dragons game, it is a bit comparable to Archmage and Loremaster but you lose two caster levels (at level 1 and 6), lose several spell slots to learn other stuff in its place, less base attack and base saves, and more skill points than other spellcasters
< 1442525315 968868 :MercurialHg!~Mercurial@94.123.204.90 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is it?
< 1442525442 926015 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is the description
< 1442525564 521842 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Befunge14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44258&oldid=44257 5* 03Mikescher 5* (+667) 10/* Interpreters */
< 1442525582 831303 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Befunge14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44259&oldid=44258 5* 03Mikescher 5* (-53) 10/* BefunExec */
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< 1442527179 33993 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@massages-loud
< 1442527179 250575 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan said 5h 49m 26s ago: nope, definite dog person here.
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< 1442527500 334904 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boofily!
< 1442527527 85679 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Foofily?
< 1442527536 277015 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/F/f/
< 1442527541 720309 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ms/f/b/
< 1442527867 117698 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what about indefinite dogs twh
< 1442527915 194129 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: how about a short video of a dog wth
< 1442527928 608041 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/9n3q5pV.gifv
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< 1442528672 332360 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I intoduce SIMD to my VM?
< 1442528679 779473 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure how I'd do it, but it'd be interesting
< 1442528965 641573 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :F00Frjanello!
< 1442528977 325105 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavellon[1], hellochaf!
< 1442529001 62616 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :SIMD shouldn't be that hard to implement, no?
< 1442529053 649529 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: please don't add any new things for me to look at.  right now i don't see how i'll _ever_ get caught up enough to start reading that book...
< 1442529070 8645 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, continue
< 1442529126 976081 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: don't worry, it's only a few seconds
< 1442529148 735278 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I liked the video with the dog
< 1442529155 927794 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so are all the other things hth
< 1442529215 139327 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: ok i have to admit, that dog is my spiritual twin.
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< 1442529261 673254 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :either that, or one that keeps running into glass walls
< 1442529309 714776 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it must have ran into a lot of them to learn so well that they don't let dogs through
< 1442529327 698618 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it turns out this is a thing dogs do
< 1442529335 132761 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can find many videos of dogs doing this thing
< 1442529503 147459 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :aah, indeed you can
< 1442529750 280881 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSprSbj3oR0
< 1442529758 386485 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=dog+thinks+door+is+closed
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< 1442531268 168920 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello!
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< 1442531618 917792 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So...
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< 1442531822 895688 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: I believe Melvar has three l's in it
< 1442531872 566024 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-164-084.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: If I had a dollar …
< 1442531883 850856 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh
< 1442531901 73901 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose I wouldn't be the first person to make that joke xD
< 1442531961 559929 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User talk:SuperJedi22414]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44260&oldid=42285 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (-1652) 10Blanked the page
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< 1442533450 188647 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren_: helloren_!
< 1442533821 635072 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bohellloy
< 1442533874 464697 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44261&oldid=44229 5* 03161.184.231.102 5* (+13) 10Added 7Basic
< 1442533882 680733 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what characters should I add to my font next? I am thinking APL
< 1442533923 97267 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[077Basic14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=44262 5* 03161.184.231.102 5* (+134) 10Basic page stub.
< 1442533978 216686 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://launchpad.net/7basic
< 1442534142 16510 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, make APL fonts
< 1442534268 463725 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[077Basic14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44263&oldid=44262 5* 03161.184.231.102 5* (+418) 10Added basic syntax and example
< 1442534408 63218 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[077Basic14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44264&oldid=44263 5* 03161.184.231.102 5* (+189) 10Added compiler section.
< 1442534445 660006 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just realized something
< 1442534466 728870 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is what?
< 1442534470 193252 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Given a board with infinitely repeated sections, snakes & ladders is turing complete
< 1442534480 259133 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, sho wthe proof
< 1442534511 269644 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok imagine you have an infinite repeated grid
< 1442534530 832105 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :except the first row and first column have different contents
< 1442534557 907415 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :your x and y position in the grid are basically 2 counters
< 1442534574 383651 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't snakes&ladders one-dimensional though?
< 1442534620 894102 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :each cell on the grid contains a repeat of the same snakes & ladders squares
< 1442534639 223120 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's one dimensional but it's repeated in a 2d infinite grid
< 1442534670 175375 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, OK
< 1442534678 296762 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :since the top row and left column have different contents, you can test if your x or y counter are zero by having a different path in those cells
< 1442534706 30919 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can increment the x counter by having a path that goes rightways to the next repeated cell
< 1442534729 452731 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :likewise, you can decrement x by going left, increment y by going down, or decrement y by going up
< 1442534776 686741 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1442534781 319997 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, you're in a current "state", one of N finite states
< 1442534802 741018 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that state is represented by the current path you're on in the current cell
< 1442534853 949700 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that means you have a 2 counter minsky machine -> https://esolangs.org/wiki/Minsky_machine
< 1442534880 768733 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is turing complete
< 1442534910 187157 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the 2 counter minsky machine works by taking the infinite tape, encoding it as 2 stacks
< 1442534929 854923 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :encoding the stack as 2 infinitely large counters
< 1442535033 248068 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(using the last digit of the counter as top of the stack, doing counter *2 to push a zero, counter *2+1 to push a one, counter /2 to pop, checking for odd/even to read the top of the stack... the second counter is present for manipulation)
< 1442535063 956077 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means you can get your infinite tape with only 4 counters
< 1442535129 900087 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you can represent your 4 counters using 2 counters by representing your 4 counters as 2^c[0] * 3^c[1] * 5^c[2] * 7^c[3]
< 1442535140 467143 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and using the second counter for manipulation
< 1442535200 33411 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made a version that's based on befunge but with only PC direction change commands but it's the same thing: http://esolangs.org/wiki/nopfunge
< 1442535311 548967 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it works for any 2d path as long as you can merge 2 paths and you have wire crossings
< 1442536538 407724 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sooooooooooooooooooooo
< 1442536834 398434 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :My computer isn't turing complete
< 1442537141 189006 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :... oooooooooooooooooooooo...
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< 1442538146 785534 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hioly!
< 1442538159 331277 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily!
< 1442538188 957682 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :NEW INFORMAL CS TERM:
< 1442538192 624987 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CETC
< 1442538199 616107 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Close Enough to Turing Complete
< 1442538225 530555 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's that?
< 1442538246 873585 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :bound storage machines that would be turing complete given some means to access infinite storage?
< 1442538255 624821 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], if your language isn't tc then do the job properly and figure out what class it's in
< 1442538266 276910 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a bunch of sub-turing classes for exactly this reason
< 1442538268 286781 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: NO
< 1442538270 697198 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*No
< 1442538279 128459 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean to describe computers
< 1442538304 39966 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since we can't build a computer with Infinite Memory, we can't build TMs
< 1442538316 98745 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you mean the fact that actual computers have memory limits or whatever then i've always thought of that in terms of abstractions
< 1442538318 410014 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose a "Bounded State Automaton" is the proper term for that
< 1442538360 945486 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: True, true. A language might not be able to emulate a TRUE TM on a given computer, but it can still be TC
< 1442538397 910184 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If we allow it to work such that it doesn't have an aribtrary memory limit AS PART OF the language
< 1442538400 589135 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it comes down to the spec
< 1442538408 963961 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exactly
< 1442538434 823859 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you could have a conformant implementation that's TC then the language is TC
< 1442538443 367820 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :(so C is subturing because of the memory limit)
< 1442538451 144477 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the spec says "Arrays can only be 1000000 items long", and it isn't under "Implementation notes" or the like, then it isn't TC (assuming we make all the other assumptions)
< 1442538492 20041 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I would propose we define "CETC" which describes something that /would/ be TC if it weren't for the fact that we're in the real world
< 1442538600 528754 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would prefer a different kind of definition, such as, the number of bits in stuff is implementation-defined but is otherwise TC
< 1442538621 174674 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That works too
< 1442538742 354750 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should also have ABNQEUTC.
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< 1442538805 479702 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How is b::=~0
< 1442538805 749991 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :b::=~1
< 1442538805 927842 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ac::=abc
< 1442538805 927898 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :::=
< 1442538805 927925 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :abc nondeterministic?
< 1442538814 608188 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems like it would just constantly output "0"
< 1442538888 581846 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, when multiple definitions for a word is given, does the Spec not define how to interpret it?
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< 1442539387 32624 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Both the rule b::=~0 and b::=~1 are possible to use, so which one is used is not specified.
< 1442539477 278026 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], exactly that
< 1442539521 430404 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PART :#esoteric
< 1442539528 153052 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're guaranteed that a valid substitution will be performed but which one specifically is down to undefined behaviour
< 1442539537 795844 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Y'know, I think I don't like languages that are purely dynamically typed.
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< 1442539555 564769 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want my static typechecking.
< 1442539574 103078 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I don't know what sort of value a variable will hold, I'll say so.
< 1442539671 95935 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :We need to compoile a list of TC mathematical systems.
< 1442539698 123076 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's a "mathematical system"?
< 1442539702 765650 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: So you want Dynamic AND static typechecking? Basically, you should have a "dyn" type?
< 1442539716 836496 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: I just needed a quick term for something I don't entirely understand
< 1442539722 101291 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Examples are:
< 1442539772 949433 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Re static and dynamic typechecking: more or less. C# has static typechecking, but you can also cast anything to "object", and it performs dynamic typechecking when you try to cast it back.
< 1442539817 191807 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :C# also *does* have a "dynamic" type; if you have a variable of type "dynamic", then you can attempt to call any method or access any property, and the existence of such a method or property will be checked at runtime.
< 1442539852 504102 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Unrestricted Grammars (Thue)
< 1442539852 828602 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Turing Machines (every normal language)
< 1442539853 5969 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Combinatorics (Unlambda)
< 1442539853 6049 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Lambda Calculus (Haskell)
< 1442539856 868726 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Et cetera.
< 1442539888 516552 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*nod* Mathematical models of computation.
< 1442539888 943064 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just a database so that people can find a system (or more) on which to base a new esolang
< 1442539897 430067 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: THERE we go!
< 1442539971 128294 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is: "List of Turing-Complete Models of Computation" a good place to put that list?
< 1442539978 97033 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett?
< 1442540017 469471 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(This is SOLELY for the TC stuff and generally things you'd WANT to make a language based on)
< 1442540035 22189 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds good. Put in sentence case, though.
< 1442540040 630258 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"List of Turing-complete models of computation"
< 1442540189 308661 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, in my imaginary programming language, you can define "varieties", which are essentially (finitely generated) categories with all finite limits.
< 1442540249 524276 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Individual varieties are categories. Varieties also form a category; homomorphisms between varieties are the objects.
< 1442540279 131311 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can also define a variety called "Category", which is the variety whose algebras/models are categories.
< 1442540321 746351 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Please make up the document so that we can see its working
< 1442540370 591113 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll probably do that at some point.
< 1442540408 474292 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: by the way, I'd say normal languages really don't resemble Turing machines much at all.
< 1442540426 388493 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Fair enough
< 1442540441 306982 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd say that Turing machines are a somewhat bad model of computation, in that it's hard for a computer programmer to come up with a Turing machine that executes a given algorithm.
< 1442540457 436624 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lambda calculus is much better in that respect.
< 1442540477 622310 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the reason we keep talking about Turing machines is mostly tradition.
< 1442540508 961255 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, probably it is
< 1442540509 608854 :MDude!~fyrc@67.235.0.195 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about a reverse turing machine where the tape is the code and the state macine is the data?
< 1442540548 784488 :MDude!~fyrc@67.235.0.195 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if there's entirely a difference other than which one changes at run time.
< 1442540553 464913 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, you *should* be able to express the fact that since varieties are categories, and categories are models of the variety "Category", varieties are models of the variety "Category".
< 1442540578 36758 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So far, I haven't found a way to tie these three levels of categories together.
< 1442540683 205341 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been working at sort of a dizzyingly high level of abstraction.
< 1442540718 564970 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider an ordinary mathematical value, like, I dunno, the string "abc".
< 1442540781 393952 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This string is an element of some algebra—namely, the algebra of strings over a certain alphabet. This algebra is a model of some variety—namely, the variety of monoids. This variety is an object in an overarching category—namely, the category of varieties.
< 1442540899 28158 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Level 1 things are elements of the algebras. Level 2 things are the algebras which model the varieties. Level 3 things are the varieties that classify the algebras. There's only one level 4 thing I'm dealing with, which is the category of varieties, but I can foresee adding a finite number of additional level 4 things.
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< 1442540968 491047 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I suppose what I want is a way to treat higher-level things as being lower-level things.
< 1442541012 255632 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The category of varieties (a level 4 thing) isn't explicitly mentioned in the language, but I should be able to treat it as being a variety (a level 3 thing).
< 1442541029 767332 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I should be able to look at any variety (a level 3 thing) as if it were an algebra (a level 2 thing).
< 1442541047 455928 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, finally, I should be able to look at any algebra (a level 2 thing) as if it were just an element of an algebra (a level 1 thing).
< 1442541086 411143 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07List of Turing-complete models of computation14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=44265 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+1429) 10Created page. I'm not very good at this.
< 1442541128 431316 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: good start.
< 1442541134 304354 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yuy
< 1442541214 880790 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just realized "included for completeness" is a joke xD
< 1442541227 63003 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :By the way, I think you want to say "combinator calculi" instead of "combinatorics".
< 1442541312 699651 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07List of Turing-complete models of computation14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44266&oldid=44265 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+0) 10Fixed a CN
< 1442541503 118153 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07List of Turing-complete models of computation14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44267&oldid=44266 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (-20) 10Fixed some stuff
< 1442541539 420103 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07List of Turing-complete models of computation14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44268&oldid=44267 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+0) 10Fixed it. One last time.
< 1442541552 177692 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Oh.
< 1442541599 355857 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Perhaps Combinatory Logic is what I meant?
< 1442541637 502065 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :More or less the same concept, I think. I don't totally understand the distinction between the terms.
< 1442541641 690341 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07List of Turing-complete models of computation14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44269&oldid=44268 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+11) 10s/Combinatorics/Combinatory Logic/
< 1442541680 7999 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like these idea but you should need some document to tell it better.
< 1442541693 347042 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(If you know what to write so far!)
< 1442541715 9342 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just linking to the Wikipedia pages for now xD
< 1442541725 621718 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does anyone here know of MOAR TCnesses?
< 1442541755 860827 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Many things are Turing-complete, including Wang tiles
< 1442541834 957324 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION googles wang tiles
< 1442541844 824511 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH GOD WHY WOULD YOU SEND ME TO THIS PAGE
< 1442541854 485375 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Look in Wikipedia isn't it?
< 1442541962 404751 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was kidding
< 1442542039 604365 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: WANG-TILE BASED PROGRAMMING LANGUAGE
< 1442542044 321842 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that feasible?
< 1442542051 788617 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's definitely possible.
< 1442542063 179067 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But is it feasible?
< 1442542089 589755 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know
< 1442542109 726567 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh
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< 1442542118 493982 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you were to search my house, would you be able to find a toy zebra?
< 1442542118 739515 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :People have implemented Rule 110 in CSS
< 1442542137 273621 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: That's exactly why I think it may be infeasible
< 1442542140 47781 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes, you don't know whether something is possible or not until you've done it.
< 1442542155 911383 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: I don't know. That depend on many things including whether or not you have a toy zebra in your house and where it is.
< 1442542158 797129 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I imagine it's probably feasible.
< 1442542185 367730 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And if you tell me to get out and call the police for breaking and entering into your house)
< 1442542269 146001 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made up this Dungeons&Dragons prestige class:  http://zzo38computer.org/dnd/class/wizard_of_knowledge  Do you have opinion/complaint of it?
< 1442543665 285611 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not very good at this Minesweeper game I made up; my best time is 878
< 1442543734 823015 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The game is 30x16 with 95 bombs)
< 1442544978 957785 :MDude!~fyrc@67.235.0.195 NICK :MDream
< 1442545924 182991 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07List of Turing-complete models of computation14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44270&oldid=44269 5* 03Zzo38 5* (-48) 10Using interwiki links
< 1442546353 330204 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :man there are a lot of apl symbols
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< 1442550308 32327 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : (32,26)
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< 1442552973 649875 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Blackberry14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=44271 5* 03Virgolang 5* (+1141) 10Created page with "It Is a programming language that is stack-based, imperative and long-liner. And I wrote this article from my BB 8520. = Instructions = Instructions is base of Blackberry. == ..."
< 1442553539 706229 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that last bit supposed to be relevent?
< 1442553585 587544 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Nopfunge14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44272&oldid=44256 5* 03Keymaker 5* (+1776) 10Fixed my MM translator and added it back.
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< 1442556338 654804 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: It looks like wang tiles AREN'T TC
< 1442556353 548876 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOu probably read the Wiki Page before that was corrected
< 1442556361 852426 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OR it was corrected wrongly
< 1442556533 565407 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: How is that? I don't see anything like that?
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< 1442556563 899854 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I read the wiki page. It didn't mention Turing Completeness.
< 1442556567 651154 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I read the talk page
< 1442556581 968991 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone said they'd corrected it and that it wasn't TC
< 1442556593 880051 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How WOULD it be TC, anyway?
< 1442556623 294926 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, I can see on the talk page, but the article says you can translate any Turing machine into Wang tiles
< 1442556691 18922 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: If and only if that TM does not halt
< 1442556700 260828 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyways, someone is asking for a proof that it is not possible to compute functions. Well, I have no proof or disproof of such a statement
< 1442556720 724978 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/ not//
< 1442556729 56911 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I think they were kidding
< 1442556772 424001 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm googling ""is turing-complete""
< 1442556780 488707 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :To find new and exciting TC things
< 1442556809 972749 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: It says they tile the plane if and only if that TM does not halt.
< 1442556833 579346 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh
< 1442556835 93096 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weird
< 1442556845 22059 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could've sworn it only works if it does
< 1442556903 152659 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that isn't what it says?
< 1442556988 294081 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure "translating any Turing Machine into Wang tiles" counts as being Turing Complete...
< 1442556990 422072 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :<Sgeo>30 "If there is a curb, turn your steering wheel completely away from it if your vehicle faces up the hill,"
< 1442556990 599890 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :20<Sgeo>30 I'm confused, if the wheel is pointed away from the curb and the car starts moving backwards, won't it move away from the curb?
< 1442556990 599975 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :20<Sgeo>30 Or am I confused about steering wheels
< 1442557001 749907 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, where is the computation in a wang tile?
< 1442557078 851591 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless it means converting it into a /set/ of Wang Tiles for which the /solution/ can be converted /back/ into the TM's solution
< 1442557080 806574 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well
< 1442557083 715333 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Solution"
< 1442557100 328359 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also am not quite sure by now, but it seem to me that it would be somehow, but I am not quite sure
< 1442557104 666707 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose TMs don't have a solution, especially not ones that don't halt
< 1442557229 156205 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :A Turing machine halts if and only if there exists a proof that it halts. (But you cannot necessarily prove that it does not halt.)
< 1442557278 270811 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I think that "if and only if" means you can
< 1442557291 520242 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh wait
< 1442557297 108850 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No it doesn't
< 1442557306 560333 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because that proof is hard to find xD
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< 1442562070 554895 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yes, that is correct
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< 1442573669 19742 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 TOPIC #esoteric :ɛ̃ˈglɪʃ spɛˈliŋ ʀɘfɔʀm/ | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ | https://esolangs.org/
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< 1442577826 833298 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ɛˈglɪʃ?
< 1442578112 542309 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's only spoken in igloos
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< 1442579200 96207 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask hppavilion[1] um, you _do_ know about https://esolangs.org/wiki/Category:Computational_models, right? i'm not saying there shouldn't be a main page but you don't need to link to wikipedia for most of these.
< 1442579200 274142 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1442579429 553982 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are petri nets not on this list?
< 1442579494 469382 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because no one wrote a page, i guess.
< 1442579649 634080 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i see you changed the wikipedia links to be interwiki. this is a perfect example of why i dislike those: these are links to wikipedia pages that could mostly have been to our own pages instead, but there's no visual difference in my browser so if i don't click them or look at the source i won't see that there is something to correct.
< 1442579854 465589 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what? don't interwiki links have a different color than intrawiki ones?
< 1442579898 217151 :impomatic_!~digital_w@212.159.126.45 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are people still playing BF Joust?
< 1442579933 367285 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic_: sure
< 1442579953 656756 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic_: the next expansion set is coming out in a few days
< 1442579991 701062 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: if there's a difference it is ridiculously subtle.
< 1442580017 372517 :impomatic_!~digital_w@212.159.126.45 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Modified rules?
< 1442580026 958405 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :far smaller than the difference between visited and unvisited links
< 1442580094 215633 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: these are _not_ ordinary external links, but special namespaces for wikipedia etc. that mediawiki allows by default
< 1442580176 669033 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic_: b_jonas is joking, however zemhill is now working again, so there was recently a little activity.
< 1442580206 233731 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :EgoBot also works, though.
< 1442580261 578362 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I'm joking about M:tG, sorry. 
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< 1442580416 953921 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07List of Turing-complete models of computation14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44273&oldid=44270 5* 03Oerjan 5* (-2) 10Fix case and make links point to our own wiki, see also
< 1442580483 665785 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07List of Turing-complete models of computation14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44274&oldid=44273 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+4) 10missed one
< 1442581052 236199 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :too stupid, eh...
< 1442581147 7385 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: what
< 1442581241 728625 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: just quoting randomly from that esolang wiki article
< 1442581642 842898 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`2014
< 1442581643 488556 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1442581668 70957 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/2014
< 1442581670 514364 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/sh \ if [ $(date +%Y) = "$(basename "$0")" ] \ then echo "Hello, world!" \ fi
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< 1442584961 482368 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:B jonas14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44275&oldid=40175 5* 03B jonas 5* (+120) 10
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< 1442591882 247267 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell hppavilion[1] Who says you have to be able to be able to *use* a model of computation? You can just convert a program into Wang tiles and call it a day.
< 1442591882 462554 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1442592711 770989 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want my quantum computer already
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< 1442592893 751300 :MDream!~fyrc@67.235.0.195 NICK :MDude
< 1442593187 649020 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that requires a time-traveling quantum computer
< 1442593330 586579 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this might be slightly relevant and i might eventually get through enough of my tabs to read it myself http://www.scottaaronson.com/blog/?p=2464
< 1442593367 87932 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now back to elliotts and extraterrestrials.
< 1442593377 742825 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :* &
< 1442594535 874686 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442594719 513991 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-67.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442594872 217842 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-67.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What combinators are there?
< 1442594880 277840 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-67.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :SKI, BCKW, Y, what else?
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< 1442595036 354280 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :several called "X", I remember reading about a few more
< 1442595112 201860 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't there a whole combinator bird book
< 1442595114 410537 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't even need I, SK is enough
< 1442595148 24065 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/To_Mock_a_Mockingbird
< 1442595165 517985 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442595191 709145 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this has a list http://www.angelfire.com/tx4/cus/combinator/birds.html
< 1442595199 646315 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I should read that book
< 1442595232 469418 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could you use CSS to change interwiki links to a different colours?
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< 1442595324 61287 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i'm pretty sure we asked elliott about that some time, and there was a problem...
< 1442595327 609216 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: But the other reason I changed them is because one of them wasn't working anyways
< 1442595360 165380 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: well now i changed most of them to point at our own wiki
< 1442595373 157816 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that is better anyways
< 1442595547 124652 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-67.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Oh right, To Mock a Mockingbird
< 1442595553 333075 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-67.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's on my Amazon Wishlist :)
< 1442595575 80070 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interwiki links have the "extiw" CSS class, so you should be able to change the colours using that in your user CSS
< 1442595595 229219 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh
< 1442595642 857841 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-67.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to make a non-tarbit based on Combinator Calculus
< 1442595650 82212 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-67.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably called Bluebird
< 1442595667 684133 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(You can format self links too)
< 1442595691 892992 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-67.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or Alps, named after the SKI combinator calculus
< 1442595699 358575 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-67.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/tarbit/tarpit/
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< 1442595744 212738 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: as usual, i'd prefer it to work for everyone
< 1442595745 371696 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :.extiw { color: blue; }
< 1442595754 628280 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-67.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :B(BBB)(B(BBB))
< 1442595760 141075 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-67.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bald Eagle Combinator
< 1442595773 353301 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can set it in the global CSS then, and then users who do not want that can disable it in their user CSS.
< 1442595835 881890 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-67.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait
< 1442595842 713987 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-67.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is the guy in charge ON IRC with us?
< 1442595894 775613 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in charge of what?
< 1442595953 254985 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-67.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of the Wiki
< 1442595966 769490 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: are you with us?
< 1442595974 819185 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: i'm pretty sure i could set it too
< 1442595978 464139 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :as could ais523 
< 1442595989 269228 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-67.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh
< 1442595990 973611 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-67.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interesting
< 1442595991 941051 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie is currently in charge of the wiki (in terms of having the highest level of permissions)
< 1442595998 225750 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-67.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaaah
< 1442596001 219766 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-67.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't know that
< 1442596004 264936 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but several people here have pretty high permissions, such as me and oerjan
< 1442596013 196758 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-67.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1442596020 8224 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-67.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wasn't sure who was who in this world xD
< 1442596028 864888 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've changed CSS before
< 1442596050 151525 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-67.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :We should fix the page on Combinatory Logic
< 1442596062 589472 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-67.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It only talks about the SKI cominbators, which is wrong
< 1442596094 549719 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: you can fix that yourself if you like, although probably in a separate section
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< 1442596100 856224 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-67.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or at least talk about other than just important combinators
< 1442596113 29292 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambda calculus maps pretty well onto S, K, I, Y
< 1442596129 478641 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :untyped lambda calculus doesn't need the Y, because you can implement it in terms of the others
< 1442596144 326536 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I can be implemented as (SK)K, although that's mostly just coincidence
< 1442596155 414278 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Combinatory logic14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44276&oldid=38949 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+17) 10Added a heading for when I update this later to talk about other important combinators
< 1442596159 440102 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I is like ~ from Underload, it isn't technically needed but it fits really neatly into the language
< 1442596201 940916 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ais523: We have interwiki links? What color are they now? 
< 1442596211 335704 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-67.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stack Based Combinatory Logic Language
< 1442596219 445126 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are currently afaict identical to internal links
< 1442596228 637953 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-67.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'd use the S, B, C, and L combinators (see what I did there?)
< 1442596230 534887 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: we have one to Wikipedia, and I thought they were light blue
< 1442596258 523813 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or well, they might be _slightly_ lighter blue
< 1442596268 442634 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can be implemented as SKK?
< 1442596270 121357 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :same colour as external links, but without hte arrow
< 1442596287 382604 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can make them even more difference if you want to then
< 1442596288 512228 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what i'd liked is to add the arrow.
< 1442596301 244938 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or perhaps their own symbol
< 1442596312 16592 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Esolang:Sandbox14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44277&oldid=43900 5* 03Ais523 5* (+59) 10testing various links
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< 1442596323 624970 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :here, spot the difference: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Esolang:Sandbox
< 1442596339 657056 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like night and day.
< 1442596365 277274 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure you could also add a symbol with CSS.
< 1442596394 880773 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-67.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately, I've visited the pages on intercal xD
< 1442596406 997934 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i vaguely recall there was some problem doing that
< 1442596442 309969 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least in Mozilla it is possible to turn off visited links formatting globally
< 1442596442 487914 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The external link icon seems to be added by a "background-image: url(data:...);" style.
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< 1442596456 406105 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Which I have done)
< 1442596477 303193 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: more over there are heaps them for different formats
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< 1442596480 902607 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*- 
< 1442596492 96027 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: more over there are heaps them for different formats
< 1442596495 419962 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*- 
< 1442596497 218590 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mm.
< 1442596517 894900 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-67.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found a way to make Combinatory Logic languages a /little/ easier to read
< 1442596534 848080 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, later ->
< 1442596539 560955 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-67.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make the lexer detect combinators with this regex: /[A-Z][a-z]*/
< 1442596555 309736 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-67.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And ignore whitespace, of course
< 1442596571 515474 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-67.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And colons at the end of combinators
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< 1442596711 51552 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-67.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That'd make it easier to read
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< 1442596758 355177 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-67.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Constant: x (Conatant: x)
< 1442596771 81277 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-67.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That produces the Identity combinator
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< 1442596830 33486 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-67.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you add with combinators?
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< 1442598827 664792 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-67.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Again
< 1442598831 799269 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-67.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you add with combinators?
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< 1442598900 640954 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in, numbers?
< 1442598900 858844 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you have to figure out how you're representing numbers first.
< 1442598905 361601 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Church numerals are good.
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< 1442598922 324050 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: you add with combinators the same way you add with any other Church numeral
< 1442598946 934194 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks up the definition of addition in The Underlambda Project
< 1442598947 622179 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-67.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION forgets what Church Numerals are
< 1442598958 999916 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's see. Zero is KI, one is I, two is... eh, who cares about two.
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< 1442598970 803234 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-67.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION thinks they're how you represent numbers in Lambda Caclucus
< 1442598983 60028 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :All right, let's do lambda calculus numbers instead.
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< 1442598992 180021 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the formal definition is apparently a(:)~*(~a*^)*~*(~*)*
< 1442598993 609983 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zero: \f. \x. x
< 1442598998 221043 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :One: \f. \x. f x
< 1442599009 793620 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Five: \f. \x. f (f (f (f (f x))))
< 1442599013 879360 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :You get the picture.
< 1442599026 216125 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there's a note that it can be optimized
< 1442599040 537128 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you kow for a fact that you're dealing with integers
< 1442599060 215339 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: you can convert \f.\x.f(f(x)) to combinators using the usual algorithm
< 1442599065 345308 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I jus forget what the usual algorithm is
< 1442599090 141763 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's probably on the unlambda website (that is, the algorithm definitely is, the result of applying it to 2 might be)
< 1442599124 81110 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's see. Start with the first bit, you get \f. S (K f) f.
< 1442599134 315243 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then do it again, and it's, uh.
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< 1442599158 379712 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :S (S (K S) S) I, I think?
< 1442599173 482637 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um, make that...
< 1442599179 912901 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :S (S (K S) K) I.
< 1442599201 406779 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Unlambda website says 2 is ``s``s`kski
< 1442599215 818917 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it agrees with you
< 1442599224 90321 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and 3 is ``s``s`ksk``s``s`kski
< 1442599234 492265 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's see. S (S (K S) K) I f x = S (K S) K f (I f) x = K S f (K f) f x = S (K f) f x = K f x (f x) = f (f x)
< 1442599277 558015 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is "so easy".
< 1442599278 182193 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-67.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Parenthesis are important in Combinatory Logic, correct?
< 1442599282 784721 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup.
< 1442599286 181876 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-67.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or are they just decorative?
< 1442599287 34821 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-67.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1442599294 399176 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or some other way of specifying precedence.
< 1442599300 237969 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-67.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That makes making a Combinatory Logic language a /bit/ more difficult
< 1442599307 159632 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric : To decrement (and hence to substract) Church integers is by no means impossible. I don't know if it can be done with even moderate efficiency, however.
< 1442599326 438442 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Underlambda Project subtracts integers via forming a lookup table of all possible subtractions, and then indexing it
< 1442599531 452647 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-67.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Combinatory Haskell, anyone?
< 1442599597 617953 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-67.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1442599599 567628 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-67.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So
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< 1442602062 112379 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do I tell Mozilla to request HTTPS resources from a proxy rather than tunneling the connection through the proxy?
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< 1442603154 109078 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: sure, if you want efficiency, you'd use some sort of radixal numerical representation, like base 2 or a higher base for efficiency
< 1442603177 465743 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have haskell code for binary integers at http://www.math.bme.hu/~ambrus/pu/Bin.hs
< 1442603206 323298 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously then you have to know how to translate algebraic structures to lambda calculus or directly to unlambda
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< 1442604641 216289 :NewHorizons!~Horizons@174.110.41.80 PART #esoteric :"See #NewHorizons for info"
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< 1442605652 879016 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Stare/1.014]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44278&oldid=44206 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+2) 10Changed the procedure with arguments syntax (I DID say it was frozen, but I realized this makes lexers stateless and thus easier)
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< 1442605916 67337 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PART :#esoteric
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< 1442607389 624577 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How much do you know of the very old rules of Magic: the Gathering? I don't know much about it.
< 1442607427 843365 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :How old?
< 1442607490 283369 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :From before Alpha up to Fifth Edition
< 1442607575 342882 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess they had things like interrupts until Fifth Edition.
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< 1442607618 119502 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, they had complicated timing rules I do not completely understand, although I saw a diagram, the diagram doesn't explain everything. There was also damage prevention steps.
< 1442607703 316866 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they may not have understood the rules completely either.
< 1442607724 496380 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could only target spells (to counter it or whatever) *before* it was placed onto the stack, I think; once it reached the stack it was too late.
< 1442607726 540237 :x10A94!~x10A94@178.252.73.97 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1442607727 185154 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa whoa whoa, they had so many great cards back then
< 1442607735 301492 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like Illusionary Mask
< 1442607768 539986 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There were a lot of interrupt steps inside of other interrupt steps, and I think even the damage prevention step is a normal step inside of an interrupt step, but with the restriction that only damage prevention effects can be played.
< 1442607811 65185 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you don't lose due to running out of life points until the end of a phase.
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< 1442607970 74382 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Artifacts were disabled when tapped, I think also mana abilities were interrupts (although on lands this was implied, on other cards it must be specified)
< 1442608098 708498 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :pre-sixth edition rules? no, luckily I don't know them.
< 1442608159 421043 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have also seen some cards from before Alpha, and can see how those work too (but I am not certain about any of this): The large mana symbol on lands existed before Alpha, activation costs implicitly included tapping (there was no "Mono Artifact"), activation costs were printed next to the casting cost, mana costs like "5GG" meant "five manas, at least two of which are green", Plains cards had pictures of airplanes on it
< 1442608451 399297 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The old Magic: the Puzzling are using old rules, so it would help to know all of the old rules of various editions
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< 1442608726 75181 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a idea though, a kind of Magic: the Puzzling where it has one solution that works only without manaburn and another solution that works only if manaburn is reinstated
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< 1442608894 773486 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to see if any of you who can see my "Wizard of Knowledge" prestige class of Dungeons&Dragons game to see any suggestion to fixed or whatever
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< 1442611501 469105 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF93031.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :}<}}}<}}<}}}<}}<}}<}}<}}}}<}}}<}}<}}
< 1442611529 826547 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :S1: Which is what?
< 1442611546 167426 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF93031.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/BitChanger
< 1442611573 424929 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :KO
< 1442611574 692184 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1442611576 244192 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF93031.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ignoring the memory mapping of Gregor Richards and simply mapping every next eight bits to one ascii char, my program should be a valid greeting
< 1442611683 283630 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF93031.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(cause I'm not sure if that Gregor Richards mapping belongs to the specification or just is an extra idea)
< 1442611697 12924 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF93031.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(so I'm ignoring it for now)
< 1442611790 256111 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Specification" is pretty arbitrary with esolangs.
< 1442611806 720408 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forced that style of I/O on the world by being the only person who implemented the language.
< 1442611807 736961 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF93031.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know what I mean
< 1442611818 820136 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF93031.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see
< 1442611825 974241 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF93031.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I'll have to get used to that, oh well
< 1442611837 647598 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or make your own impl *shrugs*
< 1442611843 617697 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF93031.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yea yea some day
< 1442611845 950880 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or modify egobch to do whatever you'd like
< 1442612751 921172 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF93031.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :do the laundry?
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< 1442616978 792385 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you tell Mozilla to request HTTPS stuff from a proxy rather than making the connection through the proxy?
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< 1442617290 507143 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=38&t=358889 This is what I want it to do
< 1442617597 924053 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hell♨!
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< 1442617695 100639 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellore!
< 1442617718 97140 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(let's check the logs. not sure it went through correctly.)
< 1442617738 821312 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh, nah.
< 1442617768 597530 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode 
< 1442617769 911429 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+F6A7  - No such unicode character name in database \ UTF-8: ef 9a a7  UTF-16BE: f6a7  Decimal:  \  () \ Uppercase: U+F6A7 \ Category: Co (Other, Private Use) \ Bidi: L (Left-to-Right)
< 1442617818 762681 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was supposed to be U+1F6A7 CONSTRUCTION SIGN. somewhere the astral plane character was basicified.
< 1442617820 214408 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bohily
< 1442617826 248574 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellørjan!
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< 1442618468 842339 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask ais523 whoa, what's rnz() all about?
< 1442618469 20490 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1442618564 830252 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? rnz
< 1442618565 398441 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rnz? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
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< 1442618839 810900 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44279&oldid=44261 5* 0374.122.187.254 5* (+13) 10Ajsone
< 1442618918 498226 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: maybe it's a typoed nrz?
< 1442618997 692186 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Ajsone14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=44280 5* 0374.122.187.254 5* (+686) 10Ajsone
< 1442619211 122743 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No Raptor Zone? Natural Rhinoceros Zoo? fungot?
< 1442619211 338663 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i find there is no
< 1442619221 120385 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, so the no raptor zone it is.
< 1442619798 262416 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a random variable with the best distribution.
< 1442619829 59154 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/File:Rnz100.svg
< 1442619866 610498 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Many natural processes are well approximated by the rnz distribution. (Disclaimer: lie.)
< 1442619918 277156 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's used in a nasty perverse roguelike. it's a direct manifestation from the RNG. it's an EVIL distribution!
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< 1442620703 365640 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric : I guess I should ask coppro.
< 1442620713 110989 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: What's with rnz()?
< 1442620778 580692 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442620829 674396 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net NICK :hppavilion[1]
< 1442620854 766564 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hellu
< 1442620950 55496 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got a Stare AST with a hand-crank executer working :)
< 1442621143 701619 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's obviously japanese: rapotoro no zono, which confusingly means it _is_ a raptor zone hth
< 1442621413 211404 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442621448 158096 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure pikhq can confirm
< 1442621507 248721 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is incredibly obviously JApanese.
< 1442621558 470099 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: 確認しらないでください
< 1442621840 110087 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sorry, i was slightly incorrect, it's actually raputoru no zōn, or ラプトル のゾーン
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< 1442621906 602137 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*- 
< 1442622280 538264 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-
< 1442622315 358469 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :x :- y, z
< 1442622358 431270 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavellon[1]. this is prolog.
< 1442622386 399013 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I haven't a clue
< 1442622409 194540 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: hppavilion[1] is doing weird logical things.
< 1442622409 560412 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: ' ' for every y". that's why i rarely use it. also, whatever the student doesn’t have to provide evidence. please quote the title of the 2008 south ossetia war talk page is archived, then it can be still viewed on fnord keith binney user:keith binneykeith binney ( user talk:keith binneytalk) 06:15, 15 july 2007 ( utc)
< 1442622453 239275 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: I /am/ buying a copy of To Mock a Mockingbird for kindle
< 1442622466 598610 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it expensive?
< 1442622488 525143 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :$13
< 1442622505 798466 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is actually the most expensive one available (paperback is $7.39)
< 1442622513 890305 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I were to run a store
< 1442622521 820470 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would charge complex dollars
< 1442622641 421334 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to curb my book acquisition. my backlog growth rate is exceeding my reading decay rate...
< 1442622646 760224 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"How much is this?" "That would be $17+2i"
< 1442622655 820122 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :True fact.
< 1442622663 958782 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(says the guy who just bought the current Humble Book Bundle right now.)
< 1442622691 159075 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1442622693 127368 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :would you rather pay 3 + 1i$, or 5 - 3i$?
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< 1442622769 493031 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know
< 1442622790 640106 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: 3+1i, as the 1i can just be dropped
< 1442622797 101170 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :3<5
< 1442622806 471016 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :BOOLEAN DOLLARS
< 1442622816 298612 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"That would be $True"
< 1442622825 945254 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :COMPLEX BOOLEAN DOLLARS
< 1442622835 899832 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :x xor-with-carry y
< 1442622839 775598 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :AKA addition
< 1442622907 531200 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :$True doesn't typecheck with my brain.
< 1442622945 102657 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: Everyone knows the American Economy is weak/dynamic typed
< 1442622953 285443 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was looking at a thing related to Euston station in Maps, and due to an attack of sillines typed "euston, we have a problem" -- #1 is reasonable, but wasn't expecting #2: https://googledrive.com/host/0B4J9OAzXNfZAYjQxai11SE1fdm8
< 1442622969 532790 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least it's trying to help.
< 1442622999 330804 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously 3+1i$ is much less than 5-3i$
< 1442623016 802943 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: $2 less, to be exact
< 1442623040 530017 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mornington Crescent!
< 1442623042 982969 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you could use the norm
< 1442623059 477737 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: What's the norm again? Algebra II student here
< 1442623075 622111 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously real and imaginary parts represent two currencies that are _not_ completely interconvertible hth
< 1442623086 741345 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: yes, but that'd imply a loss of information by mapping back to Q from C.
< 1442623103 201952 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :15_Truei
< 1442623105 716110 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: so?
< 1442623107 764266 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/_/_/
< 1442623116 835787 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*s/_/+/
< 1442623148 255252 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: then it becomes unconfusing money, which isn't interesting.
< 1442623160 100446 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1442623172 290778 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: purely for statistical purposes, how öld are you?
< 1442623215 845578 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: ...
< 1442623220 447526 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :STRANGER DANGER
< 1442623221 750841 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :14
< 1442623232 407642 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I'm not a very good datapoint
< 1442623259 607939 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although capitalism probably implies there will be _some_ conversion price.
< 1442623296 957378 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not stranger.
< 1442623328 953088 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're at the vanguard of a booming market of complex money changers.
< 1442623673 988492 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then some douchebag introduces Sedenions to the world of money
< 1442623675 949773 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey guys
< 1442623683 671592 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if we started using Sedenion money?
< 1442623825 346413 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is something I won't be put with at up.
< 1442623861 442251 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: FILIBUSTER CHICKEN
< 1442624421 164079 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], sedenions are too useless even for mathematicians, so... not much
< 1442624447 699886 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1442624481 877655 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ACHOO*
< 1442624556 944673 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What kind of thing can use units of square money? (I don't mean money which is shaped like square)
< 1442624626 606453 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay
< 1442624631 117887 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just bought TMAMB
< 1442625059 441384 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is what?
< 1442625063 183286 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Quit: Leaving
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< 1442625102 258518 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Man And My Bucket
< 1442625675 214131 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE MAN AND MAH BUKKIT
< 1442625678 944076 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No
< 1442625684 229324 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :To Mock a Mockingbird
< 1442625751 137568 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't really like that book
< 1442625805 371797 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're a bad person
< 1442625807 446098 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD
< 1442625870 60690 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDream
< 1442625901 934632 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently iOS 9 is adding a back button. And there goes one of the reasons I'm sometimes tempted to look at iPhones. Unless maybe iOS back is implemented better than Android?
< 1442625939 677698 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's wrong with androids back button?
< 1442625965 889267 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's total nonsense.
< 1442625972 767848 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how so?
< 1442625986 35077 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't go back to the last thing you were doing, sometimes it will go back in the application you just switched to via notification
< 1442626018 413758 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it almost always does what i expect it to do
< 1442626037 355984 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :including going back to the last thing i was doing
< 1442626052 567617 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It felt as if I was being teased because it talked about them as black boxes, while my thought was "what is the point of a box if not to look inside".  I'm probably a descendant of pandora. 
< 1442626135 333480 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it does stupid things it is because of apps that don't use the default action paradigm
< 1442626144 855872 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :skype for example sucks at that manner
< 1442626157 501411 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname, YouTube is a Google app
< 1442626175 73323 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As is Gmail
< 1442626182 305857 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's wrong with youtubes back button behaviour?
< 1442626188 582837 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's the default action paradigm sucks
< 1442626197 928745 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it goes back your video watching history perfectly fine
< 1442626214 582833 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is exactly what i expect
< 1442626214 866965 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHat if you wanted to go to what you were doing before, not within the YouTube app?
< 1442626259 850041 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"For example, when a notification takes the user to an activity deep in your app hierarchy, you should add activities into your task's back stack so that pressing Back navigates up the app hierarchy instead of exiting the app."
< 1442626266 519779 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should do that if you are at the start of the youtube history
< 1442626287 525721 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-092-072-164-084.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
< 1442626290 377174 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :<コ:彡
< 1442626290 716462 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname, but if a notification popped up linking me to a video, I don't want to go back to youtube history if I'm done with the video
< 1442626299 50466 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :etc. with Gmail
< 1442626313 686243 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't, because there is no history then
< 1442626352 112881 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i open any link in connectbot in any app and press back there i will get back to connectbot
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< 1442626360 339561 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perfectly fine
< 1442626433 606900 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-164-084.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
< 1442626447 262863 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it even works perfectly fine with multiwindow here
< 1442626596 219556 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am now in reddit is fun. I get a notification about a new email. I open it, read the email. I press back, and it goes to my inbox (?!). I press back again, and I finally get back to reddit is fun
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< 1442633558 893730 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does the.... [ combinator do?
< 1442633673 430324 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, is there a combinator like that?
< 1442633875 491418 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Why do you have all these nicks?
< 1442633885 359725 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: why not?
< 1442633973 934050 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 NICK :\oren\
< 1442634014 996983 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 NICK :oren
< 1442634019 168068 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 NICK :\oren\
< 1442634749 480660 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you good at Dungeons&Dragons game?
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< 1442635309 781121 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The _first round_ of getting my data off my dead harddrive will take around 3.5 days..."
< 1442635332 244524 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I... don't know where I got that number from. At least I have a date for when I started researching this
< 1442635354 567006 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know why it would take that long. Nor where that HD went....
< 1442635380 93246 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is the capacity of the dead harddrive?
< 1442635469 778492 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In my case it was the CPU that stopped working, rather than the harddrive, which still works and is now in a bag to label it and protect it from dust; I remove it when I need to copy some of the files from it
< 1442635488 246199 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I haven't played for ~15 years.
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< 1442635626 85815 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: What characters you have made up and what version and are you any good at it?
< 1442635634 594359 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am working on a 8 by 8 version of my font
< 1442635651 41203 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I was pretty young, and it was in Hebrew.
< 1442635665 637719 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was an after-school thing in elementary school.
< 1442635684 290617 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I didn't come up with a name for my character, so the person running it gave it an interim name.
< 1442635710 125212 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps the interim name was "Niagara".
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< 1442635815 76339 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes but what detail of character? Even if you did not write the name then you must have made up the other stuff
< 1442635833 471730 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it was probably a wizard.
< 1442635839 220419 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I'm guessing Chaotic Evil.
< 1442635853 445389 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or at least I initially wanted to be Chaotic Evil. Someone might've dissuaded me.
< 1442635878 892103 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember casting a sleep spell and then killing a bunch of monsters -- goblins? -- with a dagger while they were asleep.
< 1442635906 512070 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And there was some sort of object -- altar? table? it might've been made of stone -- that we needed to destroy or something, though we didn't know that at the time.
< 1442635913 871715 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think we needed to destroy it with some sort of special hammer.
< 1442636113 354892 :jameseb!~jameseb_@runciman.hacksoc.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
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< 1442636184 905643 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are many spells that can be used to destroy stuff made of stone too but you might not necessarily have any such spells. And there would be other ways to do it that do not involve any magic.
< 1442636338 600389 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442636343 548234 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :NEW SCIENCE WORD TIME
< 1442636360 553896 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pancakification: What happens to you as you fall into a White Hole
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< 1442636710 206177 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know much about White Hole?
< 1442636779 866211 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've heard it's just like a time-reversed black hole.
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< 1442638120 729533 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well then shouldnt people fall out of it, rather than in?
< 1442638950 432043 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: fizzieL \oren\: It's basically a region in space where you can never enter, but can leave.
< 1442638976 109582 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: It was some special important thing.
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< 1442639043 187673 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is RPN Combinatory Logic a thing?
< 1442639078 772297 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to guess no, as there's no way to distinguish the "operators" (combinators) from the "operands" (combinators (case and point))
< 1442639110 713238 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not without parenthesis or an argument count argument, at least
< 1442639127 452121 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(*parenthesis)?
< 1442639682 521192 :bender|!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 NICK :bender
< 1442639768 26159 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1442639771 125306 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi bender
< 1442639775 521680 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net NICK :hppavilion1
< 1442639776 876716 :bender!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1442639780 705377 :hppavilion1!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net NICK :hppavilion[1]
< 1442639799 561490 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So RPN Combinatory Logic is /not/ a thing, correct?
< 1442639869 235952 :bender!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What?
< 1442640150 386417 :rodgort!~rodgort@105.ip-167-114-152.net JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1442641273 335888 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bender: RPN combinatory logic
< 1442641276 799248 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, the ski calculus
< 1442641281 224025 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In reverse polish notation
< 1442641310 574732 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not?
< 1442641357 358997 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://fontstruct.com/fontstructions/show/1186284 <-- also, I made another font, this one is square
< 1442641375 169100 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: Well RPN works with arithmetic and such because we can distinguish between operators and operands
< 1442641377 660724 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh joy
< 1442641385 126152 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But in Combinatory Logic
< 1442641386 147357 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1442641408 358799 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Operators" and "Operands" (which are /not/ the correct terms) are the same
< 1442641483 155916 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And furthermore, the number of other combinators a combinator accepts can vary (K (S x y) ) vs. (K (S x) y)
< 1442641500 848999 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not so much furthermore as "also"
< 1442641535 223361 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/e/q/ig
< 1442641554 487104 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: What do you have to say to THAT?
< 1442641590 965331 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also, having an RPN combinatory logic where we have an extra syntax where we write the argument count is cheatig)
< 1442641638 532228 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess perhaps "x y S K" would be different from "x y K S". That's probably the solution, now that I think about it.
< 1442641675 946318 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait
< 1442641678 3042 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No
< 1442641695 759924 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The SYA doesn't support variable-length function arguments for a reason
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< 1442641820 526683 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really have no clue what I'm doing xD
< 1442641824 620411 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll just look it up
< 1442641840 588432 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm you could use , and . instead of spaces
< 1442641893 154323 :Thisbe!~Thisbe@2602:306:394b:e110:81fa:9080:93b1:8b28 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442641903 334522 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The internet doesn't know
< 1442641918 553326 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: And how would that help? What would , and . mean?
< 1442642003 915575 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :. would be used as function composition
< 1442642013 168440 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1442642014 567032 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :, would be used to separate arguments
< 1442642017 934362 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah
< 1442642029 181908 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In RPN of course?
< 1442642033 742078 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1442642044 792196 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So how would we define I with SK?
< 1442642086 892896 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :K,K.S
< 1442642135 105113 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1442642153 685970 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um
< 1442642156 512801 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IOW every S expression would be of the form
< 1442642158 504187 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Give me a bit to process that
< 1442642164 301407 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :x,y,z.S
< 1442642189 398897 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK...
< 1442642200 922176 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd probably just be better sticking with normal notation
< 1442642202 931216 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :xFD
< 1442642204 967954 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*xD
< 1442642224 904177 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got a Stare 1.0 interpreter working, BTW
< 1442642233 355011 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have to hand-crank the parser though
< 1442642336 249771 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is, you have to code in a parsed program as a literal
< 1442642617 889141 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Turing Tarpits are easy. Come back when you want to ACTUALLY design a language"
< 1442642817 150993 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, tarpits are nice and all, but pretty much only when they bring something new to the table
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< 1442643696 468545 :bender|!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 NICK :bender
< 1442647513 131126 :sc00fy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442648451 226726 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :go tell the thousand people that design bf derivates
< 1442648544 118417 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1442660878 671993 :Melvar`!~melvar@dslb-092-072-165-010.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de NICK :Melvar
< 1442661023 363154 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1442661099 799794 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
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< 1442661497 119691 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be QUIT :Client Quit
< 1442661857 702571 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1442661953 329133 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think we should have a corewars type game based on aubergine. much lower barrier to entry with many of the same strategies available
< 1442662093 185960 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask boily corewars-clone based on aubergine?
< 1442662093 402550 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1442662145 508645 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you verbs?
< 1442662166 632084 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( damn, let me try that again )
< 1442662169 706630 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :you verbs?
< 1442662180 812028 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::R
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< 1442663564 181902 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07List of Turing-complete models of computation14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44281&oldid=44274 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (+9) 10/* Turing machines */
< 1442663597 599334 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are no "you verbs"
< 1442663613 1309 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07List of Turing-complete models of computation14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44282&oldid=44281 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (+91) 10/* Turing machines */
< 1442663828 940944 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07List of Turing-complete models of computation14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44283&oldid=44282 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (+94) 10/* Turing machines */
< 1442663902 97650 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: ftr, that started out as "Do you hate verbs?" but some subtleties got lost in the translation into the quintopian language ;)
< 1442664017 836972 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :you cant drop verbs unless they are implied in quintopiese
< 1442664226 186018 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442664713 757013 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-165-010.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where the hell did (&) as reverse function application come from?
< 1442664816 996769 :jameseb!~jameseb_@runciman.hacksoc.org QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in
< 1442664817 214513 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org QUIT :Quit: I seem to have stopped.
< 1442664861 631380 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly from a catamorphism melvar but im no expert
< 1442664947 97227 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://mail.haskell.org/pipermail/libraries/2012-November/018832.html
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< 1442664968 237764 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the nae was free to take" seems to have played a significant role
< 1442665003 786529 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-165-010.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :The obvious choice, (#), wasn’t?
< 1442665192 672064 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, lens 3.4: renamed `(%)` to `(&)`; lens 2.9: Renamed `|>` to `%`
< 1442665300 993489 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway none of these names is obvious to me. I've seen code using |> in ML...
< 1442665324 906233 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-165-010.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Certaintly F# uses that operator IIRC.
< 1442665862 584811 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... 'The mnemonic for % is 'mod'ify.'
< 1442666107 355398 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(quoting from https://github.com/ekmett/lens/issues/17) later this happened: https://github.com/ekmett/lens/issues/100 ... Michael Sloane offerse a mnemonic for &: '(&) somewhat naturally suggests "and then" ... "and then"'
< 1442666218 38203 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and edward sums it up here, https://mail.haskell.org/pipermail/libraries/2012-November/018843.html
< 1442666456 151925 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-165-010.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(&) is perfect for reverse *composition*, in my view.
< 1442666496 269463 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-165-010.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :“Another popular color of this bikeshed, (#) as is used in diagrams, interacts very poorly with MagicHash and has a very high precedence that ruins it for most dsl purposes.”
< 1442666504 450346 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-165-010.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why would it ever interact with MagicHash?
< 1442666554 604553 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-165-010.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Moreover, why are you bound to use the same precedence as a given example using the name?
< 1442666960 394702 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442667153 500624 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-165-010.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, a missed opportunity to make sense. I’ll quiet down about it now.
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< 1442672558 790819 :MDream!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDude
< 1442672627 293988 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The current UTF-8 standard is wasteful with the code points now limited to 10FFFF
< 1442672687 479000 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean by "now"?
< 1442672696 589411 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :did they change the standard?
< 1442672748 169221 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :originally you could have code points up to 31 bits
< 1442672768 658883 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now it is 21 bits
< 1442673053 557708 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: blame UTF-16
< 1442673065 909472 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :UTF-8 would support code points up to 31 bits without any problem
< 1442673081 247375 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :upto to 36 bits, actually
< 1442673095 154281 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, without any problem and then some
< 1442673104 662825 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they limited it at first to allow utf-32 to work
< 1442673117 432927 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now they limited it for utf-16
< 1442673143 395242 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :utf-16 - with all the disadvantages of utf-8 and utf-32 combined
< 1442673147 828334 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :One program I wrote uses utf-24
< 1442673154 701654 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least it won't be limited any further now
< 1442673231 143061 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. it does (*(t_int32*)(s+i*3))&0xFFFFFF
< 1442673310 880654 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the lowest 8 bits of the next code point have to be stripped out, but hey it works
< 1442673412 516744 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :utf-24 would be an eminently practical way to transmit data consisting mostly of supernal plane characters
< 1442673489 489409 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. emoji languages
< 1442673511 944239 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\helloren\.
< 1442673513 946932 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :supernal?
< 1442673516 708455 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@massages-loud
< 1442673516 886668 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia asked 3h 10m 23s ago: corewars-clone based on aubergine?
< 1442673539 875706 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell quintopia Ō_Ō holy fungot that is one froody idea!
< 1442673540 53697 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1442673540 231753 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: let's try to get the answers from biologists," he says. " these people used bin's power, authority and facilities to carry out this operation."
< 1442673576 634863 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote  let's try to get the answers from biologists," he says. " these people used bin's power, authority and facilities to carry out this operation."
< 1442673576 813122 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: justin returns annually to alsace where he if fnord as the fnord
< 1442673578 332352 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1254)  let's try to get the answers from biologists," he says. " these people used bin's power, authority and facilities to carry out this operation."
< 1442673610 373598 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :supernal plane is from Mage: The Awakening
< 1442673614 25184 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: I don't really care about what Justin does. I'm still gonna vote for my local NDP deputee.
< 1442673635 141248 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: tmyk tdh
< 1442673706 709347 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am planning on flipping a coin and voting either red or orange depending
< 1442673742 101191 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :noooooooooooooo!
< 1442673753 383634 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because canadiane politics is supremely boring
< 1442673773 371421 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :red bad. orange good. orange is your friend. oraaaaaaaange.
< 1442673818 681428 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which one is going to refund the CBC?
< 1442673831 315914 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want my damn hockey broadcasts
< 1442673846 744422 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/refund/re-fund/
< 1442673888 433611 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: it is hard to do better than UTF-8. you *can* lower the average bytes for each code point but not that much. let's keep ASCII compatibility and reassign x lead bytes and y cont. bytes (x+y=128); then some code points will get 4-byte sequence as the minimum of x*y^2 = 310 675 << 2^21.
< 1442673889 93875 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it's the orange. orange then
< 1442673906 513040 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2^20*
< 1442673927 56864 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style
< 1442673927 234946 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack oots pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp* youtube
< 1442673933 367354 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style wp
< 1442673933 545270 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: wp (1/256th of all Wikipedia "Talk:" namespace pages)
< 1442673944 751597 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: chelloppro. as a fellow canuck, any political persuasions we should be aware of?
< 1442673946 873706 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: yeah but for most languages you want to skew it heavily to make the BMP chars shorter
< 1442673957 313972 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: L
< 1442673972 787001 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :federally, at any rate
< 1442674005 756557 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: the minimum of x*y = 4 096, so the resulting distribution will be heavily skewed (even when there are 2^16 code points you have to assign many of them 3-byte sequences)
< 1442674200 919576 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm what if we assigned the currently unused chars to make particular sets of 3-byte chars 2-bytes
< 1442674278 384313 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like F5, we could assign to make hiragana. and F6 to katakana
< 1442674350 22526 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also the system leaves many, many sequences invalid which could be used
< 1442674499 806738 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll have to think about this
< 1442674636 171707 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe it'll only create a mess similar to Shift-JIS.
< 1442674792 866721 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shift-jis is only a mes because of 0xx and 1xx bytes being used in wide char encodings
< 1442674822 887012 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no reason to discard a whole range of sequences of high-bit bytes
< 1442675042 367784 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm they limited Unicode?
< 1442675048 145401 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Silly
< 1442675072 798640 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many unallocated code points are left now?
< 1442675102 594750 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\, ^
< 1442675231 139320 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :993375
< 1442675256 733885 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :0xF285F in hex
< 1442675260 490424 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that many
< 1442675510 934610 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, still a while until we run out then
< 1442675589 989270 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\, I think we should use UTF-32 instead. If you are worried about space usage, just zlib it or something
< 1442675603 568759 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least for data storage and transfer that makes sense
< 1442675612 273490 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe not for processing though
< 1442675716 875752 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A trivial encoding like "one 2xx byte followed by one or more 3xx bytes" would give us 2 bytes for points up to 0x1000 and three bytes for points up to 0x40000
< 1442675781 670995 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :octal, I suppose
< 1442675787 927760 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeas octal
< 1442675841 176574 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it woukd give india a treat by making devanagari only 2 bytes each
< 1442675876 899912 :MercurialHg!~Mercurial@94.123.192.149 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442675886 865426 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\, again, why does it matter? zlib is going to do a better job anyway
< 1442675898 10426 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: ah, but that wouldn't be self-delimiting; you need to look ahead in order to figure out whether a character was fully transmitted.
< 1442675905 15255 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal = word processing
< 1442675934 122943 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or more abstractly, it's not a prefix code)
< 1442675948 624310 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: yes. but transmission codes provide delimiters anyway
< 1442675953 89783 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\, wouldn't UTF-32 be a better in memory representation anyway? That way characters are fixed with
< 1442675997 239421 :MercurialHg!~Mercurial@94.123.192.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what should i add to my esolang
< 1442676011 667397 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :MercurialHg, balanced ternary
< 1442676012 233026 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but do you really want to decode/reencode everying in every sed, grep etc implementation?
< 1442676020 957013 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I have no idea what sort of language it is)
< 1442676032 839639 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\, okay, that makes sense
< 1442676067 17372 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\, though actually you don't need to: gzip -d foo.gz | grep | sed | gzip -
< 1442676082 717584 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Assuming everything is UTF-32 anyway
< 1442676107 853462 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the same problem. you end up with a lot of extra processing
< 1442676131 948965 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :True
< 1442676194 636487 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh I get it, you thought by word processing I meant like MS Word. whoops
< 1442676246 11263 :MercurialHg!~Mercurial@94.123.192.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what should be name of my bot?
< 1442676248 53706 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\, emacs, stuff like that
< 1442676250 194325 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant like you have a big file of CSV or JSON or whatnot and you want to process it 
< 1442676341 666792 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ideally for such process (which could happen on a server request) you should be able to do it very fast.
< 1442676382 482005 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and with very little memory
< 1442676425 195103 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\, though HTTP is increasily zlibed these days
< 1442676553 402243 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :assholes using a million cross-site mega-cookies, probably.
< 1442676582 837401 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1442676605 482216 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :MercurialHg: ytterbot.
< 1442676632 299633 :MercurialHg!~Mercurial@94.123.192.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lithium?
< 1442676676 450506 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm with boily 
< 1442676693 191246 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :MercurialHg, It should be called SubversionSvn
< 1442676693 979564 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you don't get that you don't deserve to name bots after elements hth
< 1442676716 889044 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily, yes that is a very neat name
< 1442676729 441384 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :praseodymbot
< 1442676753 170421 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, which ones was it again... Scandium, Yttrium, Yterbium, and some other I forgot the name of, right?
< 1442676762 808980 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erbium
< 1442676766 123034 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah
< 1442676798 371166 :villasukka!villasukka@aulis.sange.fi QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1442676798 801119 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1442676835 746266 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\, oh and Terbium too
< 1442676861 572197 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :And holmium and thulium
< 1442676862 688728 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow
< 1442676882 545772 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently not Scandium though
< 1442676965 988978 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not?
< 1442676992 805845 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :According to wikipedia indeed not
< 1442676997 591664 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :"At a quarry and mine near the village, the rare earth mineral yttria was discovered and named after the village. This crude mineral eventually proved to be the source of four new elements that were named after the mineral ore and the village. These elements are yttrium (Y), erbium (Er), terbium (Tb), and ytterbium (Yb)[1] and were first described in 1794, 1842, 1842, and 1878, respectively. In 1989 the
< 1442676997 769616 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: OPINION CHICKEN
< 1442676997 769665 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : ASM International society installed a plaque at the former entrance to the mine, commemorating the mine as a historical landmark.[2]
< 1442676997 769724 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :In addition, three other lanthanides, holmium (Ho, named after Stockholm), thulium (Tm, named after Thule, a mythic analog of Scandinavia), and gadolinium (Gd, after the chemist Johan Gadolin) can trace their discovery to the same quarry.[3]"
< 1442677026 417605 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh the quarry
< 1442677027 991916 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Scandium is not in the list
< 1442677040 662949 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, yes, what were you talking about?
< 1442677047 116296 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought you were just naming elements named after scandinavian places
< 1442677051 123210 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, no
< 1442677076 796532 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have written a SQLite extension to parse JSON (based on PDJSON, with one bug fixed), so that is one way to process big file of JSON by using a database, if you would need to.
< 1442677145 444528 :Lunarian!~Mercurial@94.123.199.171 JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1442677483 550627 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: the article on Scandium itself is intriguing, though.  it *was* extracted from gadolinite.  it's not a lantanoid, though.
< 1442677708 997142 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, ah
< 1442678088 413888 :Lunarian!~Mercurial@94.123.199.171 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1442678827 776133 :bender!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 QUIT :Quit: [you can't stop this one: REKKKKT REKKT REKT!]
< 1442679750 256462 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask hppavilion[1]  So RPN Combinatory Logic is /not/ a thing, correct? <-- does unlambda with the grammar in reverse count?
< 1442679750 434947 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1442679824 803998 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell hppavilion[1] i.e. si`i`si`i`` or even iis``iis```
< 1442679825 18948 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1442679953 660396 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell hppavilion[1]  And furthermore, the number of other combinators a combinator accepts can vary (K (S x y) ) vs. (K (S x) y) <-- that's just currying
< 1442679953 838379 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1442680271 94513 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442681049 381248 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Melvar  Why would it ever interact with MagicHash? <-- if MagicHash is on, it's often mandatory to put space before it when using it as an operator.
< 1442681049 598398 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1442681072 485452 :edwardk!sid47016@haskell/developer/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: (|>) has the wrong semiotics in haskell. it seems related to (<|>). (%) conflicted with Data.Ratio, which rather upset a number of folks.
< 1442681100 307549 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe NICK :newbottomman
< 1442681106 88001 :newbottomman!nortti@ayu.smar.moe NICK :nortti
< 1442681107 994047 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and |> is used in Data.Sequence
< 1442681133 849447 :edwardk!sid47016@haskell/developer/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: that is why those went away and (&) which has the benefit of being shorter than (|>), being unpaired due to (|) being taken by syntax, and being more or less unused because of confusion about and and or operators won
< 1442681168 978263 :edwardk!sid47016@haskell/developer/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yitz offered up (&) and i had no reason to prefer (%) over it other than stubbornness and i switched
< 1442681192 777881 :edwardk!sid47016@haskell/developer/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so the 'and...' sequencing mnemonic had the benefit that someone might guess it
< 1442681299 969256 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (|>)
< 1442681301 757989 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Snoc s s a a => s -> a -> s
< 1442681318 804815 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (0$0|>)
< 1442681320 691498 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :     The operator ‘|>’ [infixl 5] of a section
< 1442681320 869558 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :         must have lower precedence than that of the operand,
< 1442681320 869612 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :           namely ‘$’ [infixr 0]
< 1442681325 197916 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn
< 1442681374 71553 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-165-010.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Surely you’re going to put a space before it anyway in all cases.
< 1442681411 85761 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: well _some_ people might not.  they might want to chain it like . especially if using lens
< 1442681540 680648 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-165-010.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :My own opinion is that (&) should have been reverse composition because of the and-then mnemonic. So “foo . bar . baz $ x” flips into “x # baz & bar & foo”.
< 1442681575 644339 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-165-010.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION shrugs.
< 1442681584 981385 :edwardk!sid47016@haskell/developer/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: we already have the noisier operator (>>>) for that
< 1442681589 68609 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :my own opinion is that haskell sacked its syntax czar too early.
< 1442681593 508478 :edwardk!sid47016@haskell/developer/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :but (&) didn't have a name
< 1442681598 82322 :edwardk!sid47016@haskell/developer/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION shrugs.
< 1442681621 992632 :edwardk!sid47016@haskell/developer/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :a shorter (>>>) would have been useless to me and i'd have wound up taking (%) or something for this purpose anyways.
< 1442681644 472322 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (&=)
< 1442681646 91395 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :    Not in scope: ‘&=’
< 1442681646 269782 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :    Perhaps you meant one of these:
< 1442681646 269833 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :      ‘&&’ (imported from Data.Bool), ‘/=’ (imported from Data.Eq),
< 1442681650 349122 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-165-010.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm.
< 1442681651 835473 :edwardk!sid47016@haskell/developer/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (&~)
< 1442681653 771084 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :s -> State s a -> s
< 1442681665 293542 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :edwardk: now _that
< 1442681669 724422 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :'s_ inconsistent.
< 1442681690 832840 :edwardk!sid47016@haskell/developer/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (1,2) &~ do _1 %= 1; _2 *= 200
< 1442681693 772215 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :     No instance for (Show t0)
< 1442681693 950514 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :       arising from a use of ‘show_M724657678350748221816791’
< 1442681693 950562 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :     The type variable ‘t0’ is ambiguous
< 1442681744 368851 :edwardk!sid47016@haskell/developer/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (1,2) &~ do _1 += 1; _2 *= 200
< 1442681747 125859 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : (2,400)
< 1442681763 236233 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-165-010.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :( :let instance Category (\a,b => a -> b) where id = Basics.id; (.) = Basics.(.)
< 1442681763 417146 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-092-072-165-010.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :defined
< 1442681777 233218 :edwardk!sid47016@haskell/developer/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :&~ is inconsistent, because there is no operator & that takes a coherent type for its second argument and the result.
< 1442681783 885005 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :edwardk: pretty sure %~ and %= "should" have been &~ and &= if redoing this stuff
< 1442681786 99073 :edwardk!sid47016@haskell/developer/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it falls into a lexical gap
< 1442681817 247819 :edwardk!sid47016@haskell/developer/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you have hit on what % originally was 'mod', and why those had those names
< 1442681833 508894 :edwardk!sid47016@haskell/developer/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :but we kept the %~ and %= names
< 1442681835 71847 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i did rid the mailing list link above
< 1442681838 803223 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*read
< 1442681844 265207 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-165-010.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :( :t Category.(.) (*2) (+1)
< 1442681844 443590 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-092-072-165-010.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't resolve type class 12Category cat
< 1442681960 644944 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :edwardk: there ought to be alphanumeric versions of <%~ and <<%~
< 1442681970 856062 :edwardk!sid47016@haskell/developer/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1442681976 667050 :edwardk!sid47016@haskell/developer/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh as combinators?
< 1442681981 203222 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1442681993 403675 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're like a gap in the alphanumeric style
< 1442681994 490749 :edwardk!sid47016@haskell/developer/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh, you can write them easily enough directly just by picking f = (,) a
< 1442682013 746126 :edwardk!sid47016@haskell/developer/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :the combinators do not try to offer everything the operators do
< 1442682023 285625 :edwardk!sid47016@haskell/developer/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :the names get too verbose and messy too quickly
< 1442682023 695113 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1442682029 928645 :edwardk!sid47016@haskell/developer/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :the operators have a nice concise morphology
< 1442682038 341812 :edwardk!sid47016@haskell/developer/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :for those with religious objections to operators they can roll their own
< 1442682051 33736 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i understand not translating any other base operators than % and sometimes .
< 1442682081 164867 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i'm thinking maybe every "%" operator should have one
< 1442682098 616977 :edwardk!sid47016@haskell/developer/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :decided just not to climb this slippery slope =)
< 1442682105 437582 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY
< 1442682119 891216 :edwardk!sid47016@haskell/developer/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have no idea how many bikeshedding requests in different directions like that i get every day about lens
< 1442682134 734549 :edwardk!sid47016@haskell/developer/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :so my apathy here is a result of having been worn down to a nub ;)
< 1442682154 843076 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@wn nub
< 1442682156 266955 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :*** "nub" wn "WordNet (r) 3.0 (2006)"
< 1442682156 445055 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :nub
< 1442682156 445125 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :    n 1: a small lump or protuberance [syn: {nub}, {nubble}]
< 1442682156 445150 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :    2: a small piece; "a nub of coal"; "a stub of a pencil" [syn:
< 1442682156 445169 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :       {nub}, {stub}]
< 1442682158 198214 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :[7 @more lines]
< 1442682195 579106 :edwardk!sid47016@haskell/developer/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :> nub [1,2,3,3,3,3,2,1,4]
< 1442682197 771686 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1,2,3,4]
< 1442682495 334617 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@more
< 1442682566 981972 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ACHOO*
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< 1442682896 308670 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :haneb
< 1442683089 629821 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Helloerjan?
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< 1442684088 22383 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-165-010.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :( :t nub
< 1442684088 202449 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-092-072-165-010.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :09Prelude.List.nub : 12Eq 13a => 12List 13a -> 12List 13a
< 1442684088 202542 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-092-072-165-010.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :09Data.Vect.nub : 12Eq 13a => 12Vect 13n 13a -> 12(13p : 12Nat 12** 12Vect 13p 13a12)
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< 1442687750 31594 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hellu
< 1442688011 256675 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-hbdjkmzitkdoxjua QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
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< 1442688503 112093 :x10A94!~x10A94@178.252.73.97 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1442689230 207389 :heddwch!heddwch@76.8.3.189 NICK :sikin
< 1442689246 708625 :sikin!heddwch@76.8.3.189 NICK :heddwch
< 1442689713 269713 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442690154 540511 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was this restaurant once which served brined salmon. One day, some inspectors came in and found that there wasn't enough lighting to illuminate the salmon sufficiently.
< 1442690162 528181 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :The restaurant was fined for lax lox lux.
< 1442690825 302460 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :LULZ
< 1442690840 921340 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO CLUE WHAT "LOX" IS BUT I ASSUME IT'S SALMON SO LULZ
< 1442690853 397456 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Brined salmon, specifically)
< 1442690855 53633 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(lulz)
< 1442690912 44908 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Lox" is, indeed, brined salmon.
< 1442691154 737039 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zipf's law is cooooooooooooool
< 1442691235 452085 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1442692139 123549 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1442693209 731301 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages-loud
< 1442693209 909277 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily said 5h 27m 49s ago: Ō_Ō holy fungot that is one froody idea!
< 1442693240 570662 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :HAPAX LEGOMENON
< 1442693258 980722 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's even more freudy than it is froody
< 1442693270 31305 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah vsauce can be good sometimes
< 1442693295 928538 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should get my Stare parser up and running...
< 1442693485 394103 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell boily aubergine+unconditional fork. (first argument=target of first process, second=target of second?)
< 1442693485 572564 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1442693516 445523 :sc00fy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds
< 1442693534 723167 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-092-072-165-010.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Quit: Terminated
< 1442693582 290467 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I've installed Mozilla Lightbeam, but I don't really know what this stuff means.
< 1442693591 229029 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I make a Combinatory Logic playground?
< 1442693619 593363 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and/or programming lanuage?
< 1442693633 960170 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Presumably circles are sites I've visited. What are the triangles? Apparently they're sites I've "connected with"; does that mean sites I've made an HTTP connection to?
< 1442693642 415313 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes (unless you have something else to do)
< 1442693715 66535 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1442693721 215672 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :And what's the difference between a white line and a purple line?
< 1442693732 473232 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'll be a language that generally supports Combinatory Logic AND has some bonus features
< 1442693778 964025 :TieSoul!~quassel@2a02:a448:4a62:0:548d:2bb6:e105:b48e QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1442693785 738460 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK you can do that, see what bonus feature and also the other details.
< 1442693861 396801 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'll just use Jay Conrod's parser combinator library...
< 1442693866 708012 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For my Stare language
< 1442693877 914608 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to finish Stare 1.0 interpreter before starting something else
< 1442694086 427674 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah
< 1442694094 788521 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll go to make my Combinator Playground
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< 1442694594 471498 :llue!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu QUIT :Quit: That's what she said
< 1442694625 972015 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442694629 701651 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yuy
< 1442694635 523205 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lexer is working perfectly
< 1442694651 424240 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Luckily, I wrote a lexer design library a while back that allows lexers to be made with a single object
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< 1442695040 544814 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does that one work?
< 1442695214 449757 :APic!apic@apic.name QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds
< 1442695616 981083 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: How does what one work?
< 1442695632 440008 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, can the Y combinator be defined in SK, or do I need to make it builtin?
< 1442695664 556017 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lexer design library
< 1442695689 873840 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah
< 1442695698 796606 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically, you import UtopiaLexer
< 1442695704 101209 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Create a lexer() object
< 1442695733 619807 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then call lexer().add_token_expr(regex_string, tag) along with a few other optional arguments (transformation functions, slicing, etc.
< 1442695735 428351 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :)
< 1442695768 975434 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442695774 219559 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, you can define the Y combinator. Let's see.
< 1442695783 745055 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1442695823 609000 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to figure out how to implement the S combinator in python, given an object that only has two variables: self.comb and self.arg
< 1442695834 942787 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I call a function called combinator.eval(combinators)
< 1442695843 254136 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it has to do some stuff
< 1442695876 185432 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And come up with S x y z = x z (y z)
< 1442695886 714093 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :\f. (\x. f (x x)) (\x. f (x x)), that becomes \f. (S (K f) (S I I)) (S (K f) (S I I)), which in turn becomes...
< 1442695942 78286 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something pukeworthy, I'm sure...
< 1442696006 253537 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: so what are self.comb and self.arg?
< 1442696052 808428 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: I have a class called CombinatorExp. When initialized, it takes two arguments: comb (combinator) and argument. I save those two variables to the class.
< 1442696081 701022 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Later, I call CombinatorExp.eval(combinators), where combinators is a map telling the thing what non-SK combinators mean what
< 1442696092 652362 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it's the K combinator, I return self.arg
< 1442696110 837363 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it's the S combinator, well, that's what I'm trying to implement.
< 1442696134 889120 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Else, if it's a non-primitive combinator, I evaluate that index of the combinators dictionary
< 1442696139 172467 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And return its result
< 1442696142 252014 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION nods.
< 1442696163 915467 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, currently, it sounds like a CombinatorExp can only represent an expression of the form (x y), where x is a combinator.
< 1442696173 979962 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if x isn't a combinator? What if it's another expression?
< 1442696266 286681 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CombinatorExp IS an expression
< 1442696281 664449 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just fixed it for if you don't give it an argument
< 1442696313 140186 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :All right. Suppose that D, E, and F are combinators. How do you represent the expression (D E) F?
< 1442696365 493009 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`CombinatorExp(CombinatorExp('D', 'E'), CombinatorExp('F', None))` I believe
< 1442696366 140954 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: CombinatorExp(CombinatorExp('D',: not found
< 1442696370 349506 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoops
< 1442696376 275015 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Forgot about hackbot
< 1442696398 170131 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well that might be a problem, now that I think about it
< 1442696407 573003 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it sounds like self.comb can be a letter, but it doesn't have to be.
< 1442696489 476924 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: https://github.com/ZodiacWorkingGroup/Combinatory-Logic-Playground/blob/master/AST.py
< 1442696496 427420 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's my AST library
< 1442696595 904805 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, here's how I'd approach it.
< 1442696599 885233 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm still fixing things
< 1442696602 830128 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Go on
< 1442696612 672945 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Start with an abstract class called Expression. Make every type of expression a subclass of Expression.
< 1442696617 397267 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1442696638 537636 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're talking about Haskell right?
< 1442696654 588896 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :So one initial thought is to have two subclasses, ApplyExpression and CombinatorExpression.
< 1442696667 993676 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: I'm using python, because haskell is hard
< 1442696679 774630 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :ApplyExpression contains two sub-expressions. CombinatorExpression contains a letter.
< 1442696695 337563 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Haskell is really well-suited to this.
< 1442696723 581682 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: I know, but that's been done
< 1442696764 700090 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would use Haskell, but... well, I don't have a good reason.
< 1442696773 32684 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm doing it this way because I feel like it xD
< 1442696959 804482 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Go on...
< 1442696989 113156 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :All right.
< 1442696998 295904 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Expression has two abstract methods, eval() and apply().
< 1442697013 567664 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :For ApplyExpression, eval() works by just calling apply() on its two sub-expressions.
< 1442697025 789158 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interesting...
< 1442697045 866483 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :And apply() works by, um... I'll have to think about that.
< 1442697091 864018 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I have so far should work, unless it's broken by the s combinator
< 1442697100 267141 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :For CombinatorExpression, eval() usually just makes the object return itself. (Expression objects should be immutable, by the way.)
< 1442697113 391397 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
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< 1442697124 952445 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm using python, so... not sure if that's possible
< 1442697130 701052 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll just avoid muting things xD
< 1442697152 162376 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :self.apply(arg) adds arg to the argument list of self, and then, if self has enough arguments in its argument list, it constructs a new expression as appropriate and returns that.
< 1442697176 283711 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :And when I say it adds arg to the argument list of self, by "self", I mean "a copy of self".
< 1442697186 646656 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something along those lines.
< 1442697212 232931 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1442697247 981809 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I ALSO have eval() and apply() accept an argument of type map that maps combinator names to expressions, just so you can define new combinators programmatically
< 1442697265 249089 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :For ApplyExpression, self.apply(arg) should pretty much return self.eval().apply(arg), since eval() should never return an ApplyExpression.
< 1442697287 748026 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah?
< 1442697320 846054 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, "eval() should never return an ApplyExpression" is sort of a self-imposed rule.
< 1442697366 876073 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :The reason I'm suggesting imposing it is that we can consider ApplyExpressions to be "unevaluated", and eval() shouldn't return an unevaluated expression.
< 1442697384 718861 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a feeling I'm going to end up with code I can't understand by the time I'm done xD
< 1442697666 187309 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still don't know what I'm doing xD
< 1442697705 176050 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lemme see here.
< 1442697739 392342 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should probably document what I want
< 1442697761 58852 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks like your K is actually I.
< 1442697786 982965 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :In any case, let me see if I can suggest a gradual series of small changes.
< 1442697823 577862 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want:
< 1442697823 844298 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :* S and K combinators to work
< 1442697824 22709 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :	* For this to work, I need to make S accept its 3 arguments
< 1442697824 22825 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :* New combinators to be definable with  = 
< 1442697824 22864 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :	* Defined combinators to accept multiple arguments (via currying) like S does
< 1442697835 508535 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those are my 4 goals
< 1442697862 977722 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, 3 goals if we exclude 1.2
< 1442697882 876475 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, if we assume that 2.2 is a subgoal, 2 goals and 1 subgoal
< 1442697898 895403 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, my idea is to say that an expression of the form, say, (S x) or (S x y) is represented by a CombinatorExpression.
< 1442697909 826303 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1442697924 284104 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that means that CombinatorExpression is going to have a self.args attribute.
< 1442697932 441479 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And self.args is going to be a list?
< 1442697936 757465 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep.
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< 1442697954 512546 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think that's combinatory though... But I can do it
< 1442698011 973623 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another option is to replace CombinatorExpression with six other classes: SExpression, S1Expression, S2Expression, KExpression, K1Expression, and IExpression.
< 1442698033 592984 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought of that
< 1442698038 160590 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which represent, respectively, expressions of the form (S), (S x), (S x y), (K), (K x), and (I).
< 1442698058 652251 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :That may or may not be excess complexity.
< 1442698063 727317 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :IExpression could, of course, be represented with others
< 1442698084 42597 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right.
< 1442698105 245092 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :One idea I thought of to enable currying is to make S x return a new combinator which would be a hash of the string "S x"
< 1442698121 510684 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then that would just apply to the next expression
< 1442698140 148995 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not "return a new combinator" so much as "add a new combinator to the combinator dictionary"
< 1442698147 608626 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's certainly *an* option.
< 1442698167 233704 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the hashing step would be unnecessary
< 1442698199 386004 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you'll still need to define a meaning for that new combinator.
< 1442698208 608471 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know
< 1442698212 837102 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :When are they going to make the rules of Magic: the Gathering to be sufficiently mathematically elegant?
< 1442698216 959475 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's where I got hung up...
< 1442698234 424812 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think
< 1442698259 168595 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: in other words, when are they going to implement them in C#?
< 1442698299 940170 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm adding a new class called FullExpression
< 1442698321 500340 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a difference between ((K x) (K x)) and ((K x) K) x?
< 1442698334 282744 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't /think/ so
< 1442698345 311032 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/n't//
< 1442698351 39386 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :The former is x, and the latter is (x x).
< 1442698368 347317 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. so parens are in fact necessary
< 1442698402 590130 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup.
< 1442698507 649859 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :K (K x) y z is x while K K x y z is y, so if you can add and remove parentheses, then everything is equal to everything.
< 1442698537 488494 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha
< 1442698610 511922 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: I don't meant C# I meant by mathematics. Rules might be found more clear in such a way
< 1442698669 360032 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: I think I might know how to figure this out
< 1442698672 841255 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: so the rules would consist of mathematical prose?
< 1442698684 319955 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What happens if we add all the redundant parenthesis to S x y z?
< 1442698688 946705 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does it become?
< 1442698689 400106 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Yes
< 1442698698 182657 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: (((S x) y) z)
< 1442698701 775861 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1442698706 30341 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That probably makes it easier
< 1442698707 566803 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somehow
< 1442698719 140165 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: would you hope to end up with less than 100 pages of prose at the end?
< 1442698750 329135 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Preferably ones that can also be put into the computer, such as with Literate Haskell you can almost do like that)
< 1442698767 292250 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: I don't know. It depend how big are the pages, and what rules are modified and some other stuff
< 1442698838 853822 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I had other idea too, make up the programming language for defining the rules and effect of cards of these kind of card games, and then implement rules with such a thing. My idea is to use RDF and then make up a literate RDF format to write rule with (like Xturtle with WEB together, perhaps)
< 1442699137 901484 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I have shown a few examples on here before of what I was thinking of how to do
< 1442699149 669817 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems to me that if you are writing game rules in a computer-readable logical form, then you're halfway to writing a comuter game, so why not just do that
< 1442699176 639000 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: Sure that is one thing it can be used for, but the intention is that it would be independent of such things.
< 1442699181 748967 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: I think it has to be both computer-readable AND human (non-advanced-programmer) readable
< 1442699215 413529 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so use COBOL.
< 1442699216 112591 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: Yes, that is kind of also how I have meant
< 1442699224 216466 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay!
< 1442699226 764717 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was right!
< 1442699232 619318 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use some language like IMP
< 1442699241 796983 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just use anything but perl
< 1442699241 975082 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Not exactly, but close)
< 1442699249 231151 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh :,(
< 1442699279 891221 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think literate programming, with a mathematically-defined programming language, is the way.
< 1442699312 220520 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So easy Haskell then?
< 1442699333 227333 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :more love for curry
< 1442699448 760522 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell is an idea too I thought yes.
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< 1442699475 813693 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I am not quite sure if Haskell (or any other existing programming language) is particularly suitable which is why I had idea make the new kind
< 1442699497 58347 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :last (ys ++ [e]) = e
< 1442699500 515177 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :love it.
< 1442699600 895822 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But also just some of the rules of the game is too klugy or otherwise inelegant in my opinion and I would have done differently
< 1442699614 299879 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just remembered that mothy does have an end of the world song for the 2nd-3rd era
< 1442699621 288922 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So where's the end of the 3rd era song?
< 1442699749 696842 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Xturtle is a superset of RDF Turtle; I have written a Xturtle parser in C. WEB is the programming language TeX is written in; it combines TeX with Pascal codes and can be preprocessed into a Pascal code to be sent to a Pascal compiler; CWEB is similar but with C instead, and then you can have RDFWEB to write this new one with.)
< 1442699890 354071 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a part of the song that's intentionally musically bad, which makes sense but makes me sad
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< 1442701129 327156 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo: I know a song that has intentional noise that sounds like a speaker being plugged in
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< 1442701607 651024 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\, o.O link?
< 1442701723 130836 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh. I did not know that accredited CS programs were not that common. Like, there's actually a number of people walking around with CS degrees that aren't worth the paper they're printed on.
< 1442701727 131645 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This explains a lot.
< 1442701753 218226 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh?
< 1442701861 888509 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: In the US, there's not much formal regulation on higher education at all.
< 1442701897 554810 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In essence, any organization can hand out pieces of paper and call them degrees in whatever they feel like with whatever justification they feel like.
< 1442701929 492735 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1442701936 719895 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What makes them "real" is a third party organization that people trust the opinion of, accrediting a degree program as meeting their standards.
< 1442702007 459170 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooor people just recognizing the degree as having value regardless of what an accrediting body says.
< 1442702050 97860 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the case of computer science, there's a large number of degree programs with no accrediting whatsoever.
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< 1442702083 564749 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is just fine if it's Stanford (yes, really, Stanford's CS program is not accredited), but not so much if it's Univeristy of Bumblefuck KS.
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< 1442702596 425627 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm back
< 1442702827 55351 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, really? Stanford is not accredited?
< 1442702836 15118 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1442702839 150697 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really.
< 1442702841 814740 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, I guess they just think that they are well known enough they don't need it?
< 1442702846 440242 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe that's just their CS program in particular.
< 1442702852 67916 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :(they probably are)
< 1442702853 75513 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Harvard has the same deal.
< 1442702855 595415 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh okay, so not that
< 1442702862 702347 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: currying means that you only need a syntax for applying a combinator to _one_ argument.
< 1442702867 162240 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, what about MIT?
< 1442702872 999031 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :MIT is accredited.
< 1442702877 473998 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1442702879 494480 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stanford is known for CS *in particular* though.
< 1442702890 847183 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. unlambda's `, which is normally prefix but could easily be postfix instead.
< 1442702907 56667 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, really though, Harvard, Stanford and MIT wouldn't need to be accredited. Their name carries enough weight on it's own
< 1442702917 427684 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah.
< 1442702919 533730 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, a CS degree from the University of Bumblefuck KS is good for a cryptography job
< 1442702928 692421 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They teach that class using Malebolge
< 1442702933 581226 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD
< 1442702945 402822 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Malbolge
< 1442702952 822911 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I keep mixing those two up
< 1442702965 831135 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Malebolge is not a thing even afaik?
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< 1442702972 554552 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :one is a programming language named for a circle of hell, the other is a circle of hell hth
< 1442702974 691271 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :So isn't it typoing rather than mixing it up
< 1442702980 112439 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1442703057 599317 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but the typo is official
< 1442703116 945219 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1442703118 762789 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :good night
< 1442703421 178188 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :{1, 2}+{3, 4} = {4, 5, 6}, correct?
< 1442703440 910754 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've started work on LIME (the LIME Integrated Mathematical Environment)
< 1442703444 628453 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :PLAUSIBLE
< 1442703455 256380 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it or is it not?
< 1442703484 355695 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a common notation.  you are making the error of thinking that math notation is unambiguous hth
< 1442703518 240930 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd say it's the most likely interpretation of the left side, assuming no other context.
< 1442703523 782141 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah
< 1442703556 230198 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And {1, 2}+3 = {1, 2}+{3}={4, 5}?
< 1442703561 691405 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/=/ = /
< 1442703570 852514 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fairly reasonable.
< 1442703574 723163 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1442703587 885540 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm making an environment in which one can do a bunch of mathy things
< 1442703623 115398 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the thing is, + is ridiculously overloaded, and there is an old convention using it for boolean algebra.
< 1442703639 389882 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in which case it could be union instead.
< 1442703658 438516 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(boole originally used addition and multiplication notation)
< 1442703693 162478 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to use & for union
< 1442703713 551083 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to try to make this some sort of hybrid beetween Traditional Mathematics and Programming
< 1442703840 417363 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :& for union is a little confusing, since when you treat bitfields in C as boolean algebras that's exactly _intersection_
< 1442703887 509393 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the opposite.
< 1442703906 301325 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to figure out where I'm going with this xD
< 1442703911 2810 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, & is intersection
< 1442704104 337289 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I make LIME at all memory-efficient, or should I just use BigFloat for everything?
< 1442704112 605480 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure if Python even /has/ BigFloat
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< 1442705185 621696 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1442705193 690235 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I've defined a sufficent arithmetic AST
< 1442705230 426071 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I add Computer Sciency stuff to it?
< 1442705234 232728 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually
< 1442705235 476079 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes
< 1442705250 797306 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to make the AST support computer sciency things and save other things for the parser
< 1442705428 236370 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So Computer Sciency-ness will be an option that the parser determines
< 1442705429 688102 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait
< 1442705435 4797 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that might not work...
< 1442705512 612673 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Your professional opinion. Is making ^ work as bitwise xor OR as exponentation depending on the option a good idea for a program targetted at mathematics students?
< 1442705546 234300 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'd be a pain to implement, but it might be a good idea
< 1442705686 949121 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :both are sort of about lacking the real math symbols (superscripts or that sum-in-a-circle thing)
< 1442705695 163 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah...
< 1442705713 907102 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want this to be easy to use when typed from a keyboard
< 1442705735 243013 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if they want to use both?
< 1442705755 422775 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps I could use a LaTeX-like syntax where if you type, for exmple, "\lambda" it would come out as ?
< 1442705771 132000 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Oh, forgot to mention that if CS mode is on, ** is exponentation
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< 1442705817 935984 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :LIME is actually going to parse every instruction into two different ASTs: Algebraic and Arithmetical
< 1442705849 884797 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Arithmetical encompassing Arithmetic, Geometry, a bit of algebra, Set Theory, etc.)
< 1442705918 647976 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(So if you want to get the sum of the set of 1 and x and a triangle, Arithmetical is used, whereas if you want to rearrange an expression, Algebraic is used)
< 1442706700 3246 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: I wouldn't use the notation {1,2} + 3.
< 1442706717 645589 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: I wouldn't either, but someone might
< 1442706776 24147 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :The fact that someone might want a feature doesn't necessarily mean that you should implement it.
< 1442706943 605703 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's valid mathematical notation, as far as I know
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< 1442707728 505880 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : \oren\: I think it has to be both computer-readable AND human (non-advanced-programmer) readable <-- my prejudices say this is a contradiction unless you want to _severely_ shrink the customer base.
< 1442707762 701980 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not quite
< 1442707764 918603 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although perhaps magic players are already all nerdy enough to reach that level
< 1442707768 758642 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :IMP is fairly easy to read
< 1442707772 767072 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not very good though
< 1442707817 949931 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is why I suggested something a bit different!
< 1442707865 765243 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hezzo38ppaviliœrjan[1]!
< 1442707875 278808 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@massages-loud
< 1442707875 456836 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia said 3h 59m 49s ago: aubergine+unconditional fork. (first argument=target of first process, second=target of second?)
< 1442707918 17293 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bevingly
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< 1442711511 791002 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: I'd definitely call {1,2} + 3 unconventional notation.
< 1442711525 935849 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is, but isn't 3 = {3}?
< 1442711528 39846 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not the sort of thing you use if you want to be understood without having to explain yourself.
< 1442711531 937617 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :No.
< 1442711535 842249 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 is a number, {3} is a set.
< 1442711536 571703 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh
< 1442711540 458154 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could've sworn it was
< 1442711541 613642 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait
< 1442711543 645095 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it is
< 1442711559 476929 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :{2}+{2}={4}
< 1442711563 417494 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's right
< 1442711624 960319 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'd still consider that non-standard notation.
< 1442711649 278558 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I'm reading a math paper, and it says "For all sets X and Y of integers, X + Y is ...", I'm going to be confused.
< 1442711675 581162 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd figure it *probably* means exactly what you've been using it to mean. But I'd be unsure.
< 1442712677 460616 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :{1, 3} + {4, 5} = {5, 7, 6, 8}
< 1442712683 655910 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is taht right?
< 1442712751 98040 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: Technically, yes. But I would order the set properly for OCD purposes.
< 1442713066 142880 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then X + Y is simply the image set of the cartesian product of X and Y
< 1442713117 134137 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well, some would dispute the use of the word "simply" there, but YMMV)
< 1442713140 736522 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have thought of thing like Ajsone esolang but with RDF instead of JSON. (It has also been done with XML)
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< 1442716721 413064 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i get the impression im not gonna find the philosophers stone here
< 1442716865 982026 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think the "philosopher's stone" exists, so probably you will not find it on here.
< 1442716885 514391 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :touche'
< 1442716910 324419 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION recalibrates
< 1442716944 42108 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i get the impresion I won't be able to find someone here who can explain why putrification is such a neccessary part of transmutation
< 1442716972 896718 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know any alchemy, sorry. I doubt most people on here know much about it.
< 1442717039 994186 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome blurelIse 
< 1442717040 903950 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :blurelIse: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: . (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.)
< 1442717065 963419 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oic
< 1442717069 223969 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :blurelIse: i get the impression you may be right
< 1442717077 764880 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks for the welcome either way
< 1442717099 9612 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :granted im still interested in coding an esoteric language
< 1442717110 481619 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like the concept(s)
< 1442717125 46168 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also don't know any esolang called "philosophers stone"
< 1442717157 707933 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :great, then maybe i'll make one :)
< 1442717189 844999 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds way more fun than coding an AI that moves crates
< 1442717210 380309 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :but do you know the Stoned Philosophers problem?
< 1442717236 878313 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm.. is that the one about the guy who knew the well water would drive everyone crazy?
< 1442717330 511571 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if not then no)
< 1442717354 907107 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have not heard of "Stoned Philosophers" problem, so I don't know what it is
< 1442717722 986768 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: was that just a cheeky way of asking if i was blazed off my gord, or an actual problem?
< 1442718182 879163 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the silverfish are peeking starting to wander around while wondering why I still have the lights on.
< 1442718202 765297 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :woops that sentance got away from me
< 1442718307 850232 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unsqueezingly.
< 1442718352 842874 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :When you're trying to get ketchup out of a plastic bottle, the typical way to do so is by squeezing the bottle.
< 1442718383 680827 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I've heard that they make "pourable ketchup" bottles.
< 1442718401 821637 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure what's different about them, but presumably with those bottles, it's possible to get the ketchup out unsqueezingly.
< 1442718439 123629 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i saw an article on a special new plastic that has a full flip surface
< 1442718455 973706 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not even glue sticks to the inside of the bottle, it jsut slides off and out
< 1442718479 250492 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it's neat stuff.
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< 1442719753 430607 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi
< 1442719770 547640 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
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< 1442721739 229160 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A nuclear reactor can transmute one element into another, but it usually is a lighter element thatn you started with
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< 1442722289 79856 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I read somewhere that it is very expensive to convert one lead atom into one gold atom, and it is not generally worth it.
< 1442722337 94729 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well sure if youre just pouring a bunch of money into equipment and tech to make it happen
< 1442722364 392693 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the knowledge of natural law in doing the process with only tools at hand
< 1442722370 636534 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that knowledge is worth every minute
< 1442722409 255438 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, knowing how it can be done is worth it, I agree.
< 1442722423 486236 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it isn't generally worth it to actually do such thing especially for large quantities.
< 1442722471 119686 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah considering you'd probably have better luck panning in a river getting quantifiable amounts, isn't worth it for the gold
< 1442722488 366329 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just to say you did it tho <3
< 1442722525 76297 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1442722533 536254 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Quit: Soundcloud (Famitracker Chiptunes): http://www.soundcloud.com/patashu MSN: Patashu@hotmail.com , AIM: Patashu0 , YIM: patashu2 , Skype: patashu0 .
< 1442722547 679432 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442722591 122859 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try to answer the question: Copper, Silver, Gold, and then what comes next? A few people are answer different (and my answer seems to be the uncommon one) although see what you would say too, and then we can make the poll?
< 1442722653 545595 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: Do you have .NSF of Famitracker chiptunes? And, what expansion chip use (if any)? (As far as I know, Famitracker can use only up to one expansion chip per song, but I know that ppMCK is capable of using multiple at once)
< 1442722684 813800 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the obvious choice would be platinum
< 1442722701 431744 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :depending on context
< 1442722744 666242 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is many people's answer, but my answer was roentgenium
< 1442722767 891641 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Note that the question gives no context as that is how it is supposed to work.)
< 1442722806 986963 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :profane explanation would be that its ascending in value, or worth in reward
< 1442722834 922859 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assume your answer is provisional to having a periodic table on hand
< 1442722895 714544 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :" Patashu: Do you have .NSF of Famitracker chiptunes?" Yes, lots. "And, what expansion chip use (if any)?" I personally use VRC6 and MMC5 and rarely N163, but I have ftms/nsfs from other people for everything else. "(As far as I know, Famitracker can use only up to one expansion chip per song, but I know that ppMCK is capable of using multiple at once)" Actually, you can use all six 
< 1442722896 172367 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :expansion chips in a song in vanilla Famitracker, what you CAN'T do is create that file using only in-program means, you have to hex edit to set all the flags (or use a branch of Famitracker such as 0CC-Famitracker)
< 1442722925 468942 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: As an example, I always provide nsfs of my songs I upload to soundcloud.com/patashu . If you need an nsf with a specific other expansion chip, let me know and I'll dig
< 1442722964 363110 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't need ones with specific expansion chips (I can easily find or make them myself if I need them); I only wanted to know what you had
< 1442722978 408042 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Got it
< 1442723109 799513 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can see the .NSFs I made too if you want to, although I use ppMCK. I have not provided renders.
< 1442723280 51339 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :We have a lot of Deadfish implementations, but none in TECO yet, nor in QUACKVM, or various other stuff
< 1442723743 340548 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds
< 1442723743 945522 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to think how to prove that there exist at least two groups.
< 1442723747 659141 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is a toughie.
< 1442723794 854884 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :old orange and apples metaphor not working?
< 1442723796 694000 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1442723814 953466 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno, I think I'm going to temporarily give up on this and go for something easier.
< 1442723822 151 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Namely: proving that there exist at least two sets.
< 1442723858 424540 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you prove it by exhibiting instances?
< 1442723858 945051 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442723989 611577 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also do not see a implementation of Deadfish in LLVM
< 1442724015 199667 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only if I can prove that the instances are different.
< 1442724024 372927 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could, say, prove that {} is not {x}.
< 1442724035 367178 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Well, yes, you must prove that of course.
< 1442724058 760556 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I really mean, though, is that there exist at least two sets, up to bijection.
< 1442724068 636629 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :So this means I must prove that there is no bijection between {} and {x}.
< 1442724088 686041 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm platinum has a current market value slightly lower than gold
< 1442724184 149852 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: O, I don't keep track of what are current market value of platinum and gold and so on. I just know that in Dungeons&Dragons game 3.5 edition, a platinum coin is worth ten times as much as a gold coin
< 1442724214 153852 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're eleven times as heavy hth.
< 1442724246 820897 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's kind of cute how in the United States, just like in D&D, there are "copper", "silver", and "gold" coins, each worth ten times as much as the last.
< 1442724265 334509 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Namely, the penny, the dime, and the dollar.)
< 1442724267 325901 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :current platinum price per troy oz is 981 USD, gold is 1139 USD
< 1442724282 654519 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dollar coins only exist in Canada not US hth
< 1442724293 328655 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I have used such analogy to describe to some people, the penny, dime, and loonie (in Canadian money, that is!) in term of Dungeons&Dragons game
< 1442724362 504821 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: crap, that means the US Mint has been scamming us!
< 1442724399 28904 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :And to think I once handed them twenty dollars in exchange for twenty of their so-called "dollar coins"!
< 1442724412 943376 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man. I swear, heads will roll.
< 1442724414 573434 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait wat
< 1442724465 905696 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they have dollar coins too
< 1442724472 123575 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they arent really gold
< 1442724481 972650 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and pennies arent actually copper
< 1442724488 477161 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and nickel isnt nickel
< 1442724497 959783 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :And dimes aren't really made of dime. I mean, of silver.
< 1442724500 121685 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually theres probably more nickel in us pennies than copper
< 1442724514 508479 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quraters havent been real silver int he US since 1971
< 1442724556 753373 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i used to buy precious metals professionally (fun fact)
< 1442724591 158467 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the platinum thing, i mentioned reward, as in after an album goes gold, it goes platinum
< 1442724651 303503 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :another fun fact: napoleon gave all his dinner guests gold utensils, but his were not. Can you guess what his were made of?
< 1442724692 949478 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Canadian dimes were made of silver until the 1920s
< 1442724700 772559 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Were they aluminum?
< 1442724711 783469 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you get 5 internetz
< 1442724741 444573 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :aluminum used to be far more valuable than gold, and rarer too
< 1442724744 169085 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, hmm, 1960's
< 1442724753 314561 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :then we learned how to make it
< 1442724815 146083 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you sent that homeless guy you always see with his huge shopping cart full of cans back to napoleon times, he'd be a king
< 1442724856 407181 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well you can still get 1 oz silver, gold, and platinum coins
< 1442724968 235711 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is a Canadian silver 5-dollar coin which in 1 oz of 99.99% silver
< 1442725193 395900 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait what. they have a palladium coin too. wtf is palladium good for?
< 1442725280 387558 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :craeting a monetary value out of an imaginary idea, then selling it to the establishments for 1.5 dollars per dollar to give to thier people
< 1442725762 534972 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What features does IRC need?
< 1442725835 349743 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think IRC has a good set of features, although some servers do not implement some, or add their own too
< 1442725955 707977 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fair enough
< 1442726063 681793 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :automatic translation between languages
< 1442727066 854839 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :blurelIse: Realistic features xD
< 1442727124 486915 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :aye, they said the same thing to the wright brothers
< 1442727680 791460 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :blurelIse: The Wright Brothers were trying to make a thing not fall as fast as normal. You're suggesting I take two incompatible ways of representing information and convert between them freely. Not just two, but thousands.
< 1442727780 709577 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I make a LISP-like language?
< 1442727789 4821 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly one with R-like features?
< 1442727793 318656 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps?
< 1442727806 285478 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should you paint an albatross?
< 1442727833 994713 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: I'm not a very good painter and have no interest in improving in that area
< 1442727836 944254 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I go to bed now?
< 1442727840 296621 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should good night, everyone?
< 1442727854 211339 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait
< 1442727858 741981 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you actually going to bed?
< 1442727863 799291 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm confus
< 1442727877 341144 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see all these language packs install with software, always wonder why they cant just cross reference all fo them using a deep search algorhithm and make auto tranlates happen
< 1442727901 219488 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kinda like that "translate this page" button in chrome
< 1442727911 355466 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :blurelIse: Because whatever you just talked about is unreliable
< 1442727928 323645 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why cant i just click "translate this" and get a semi close translation in irc
< 1442727947 910132 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesnt have to be totally accurate, just knowing an idea of what someone is saying helps if youre a human
< 1442727951 93293 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone could make a client that does
< 1442727953 384100 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, "translate this page" requires a connection to google translate. This is fine in browsers, where you generally need internet to be viewing a page. But in an offline program... not so much
< 1442727969 506846 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And using the google translate API, before you ask, costs money
< 1442727996 870058 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yeah a bot could do all that
< 1442728021 300238 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It could, but it would cost a bunch of money
< 1442728023 353608 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be nice if someone wrote a simple word-for-word translation tool
< 1442728023 913316 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but itd be a nice feature in chats/social place
< 1442728045 285030 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: That's impossible. Your grasp of linguistics seems to be lacking.
< 1442728065 985055 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you translate Hebrew et?
< 1442728066 960787 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: a lookup table is impossibe
< 1442728069 54600 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1442728072 308124 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm under the impression it's like an ;s
< 1442728073 931753 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :'s
< 1442728080 48540 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :blurelIse: It would be, but then again, you're using this to communicate with someone who lives in practically another world.
< 1442728083 783384 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, alot of languages have context and tone involved
< 1442728094 356689 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :True, true
< 1442728095 445672 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in chinese the same word for aunt is also donkey depending on the tone
< 1442728115 341728 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to make some high-level sexpr-based language for fun
< 1442728121 77550 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically my own lispy language
< 1442728131 606000 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\, how do you translate this word? http://hermeneutics.stackexchange.com/questions/4933/meaning-of-et%D7%90%D7%AA-and-vet%D7%95%D6%B0%D7%90%D6%B5%D6%A5%D7%AA-in-genesis-11
< 1442728161 393648 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, an inaacurate, semi simple word for word, based on "alphabetical order" language packs would be sufficient
< 1442728197 333623 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just grab those english-spanish dictionaries
< 1442728204 128791 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and get for alot of languages
< 1442728204 714484 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :blurelIse: But word-for-word is impossible. And how would you translate German to English? In german, it's impossible to list all the words
< 1442728221 221711 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :All I'm saying is, the tool would read in そのビルは高い and wirte out [that][building][about][tall]
< 1442728230 723624 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :im sure theres a german to english dictionary that would suffice
< 1442728260 347604 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :blurelIse: But that would be inelegant! In german, you can just /make up/ words!
< 1442728264 428545 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :literlly each word would be looked up and swapped for the closest word in target language tih no reordering
< 1442728281 15280 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :all logistics aside, just wanted to stress it is realistic, would jsut require an immense effort
< 1442728295 318957 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also in german, you can /split words in fucking half/
< 1442728295 503893 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wouldnt care about inelegance
< 1442728315 838586 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you handle that without an uber-complex special case?
< 1442728331 607056 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\, and do you ignore untranslatable words?
< 1442728340 551844 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hebrew's et is just a grammatical marker or something
< 1442728352 826240 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you can probably ignore it if you throw out grammar, I _think_
< 1442728353 668216 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if someone said to me in german that they liked long walks on teh beach, and a translator told me, long walks liked sausages to beach on, it would be far more useful than not understanding a single word
< 1442728358 792414 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :either ignore or leave them in place
< 1442728445 852610 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for languages which have the same word order roughly, this would work very well in practical cases
< 1442728518 801759 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :E.g. Je ne t'aime pas -> I not you like
< 1442728611 496755 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :either way, an imperfect translation is better than having no translation available offline
< 1442728658 702819 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet you could store a table of the top 10000 words in the top 10 languages in basically no space.
< 1442728688 818996 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. maybe the distrbiution would be 1 megabyte?
< 1442728735 340476 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :on that order anyway
< 1442728754 63156 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can I implement phase of moon and astrological sun sign (which includes equinoxes and solstices) in TeX? I already have a lot of other stuff including Easter calculation, leap year calculation, Discordian calendar, etc, but not that yet!
< 1442728811 509868 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe use kepler's laws plus a table of anomalies?
< 1442728829 672227 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(since the orbit drift slightly over time)
< 1442728884 931191 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can have a set of orbital parameters for each decade or maybe century
< 1442728999 381025 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hopefully a precision of quarter-hours should be sufficient, if it is not necessary to print the exact times
< 1442729289 430989 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just port the J2000 database into TeX hth
< 1442729596 959191 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What should I add to my lispy language?
< 1442729599 45281 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OO definitely
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< 1442730479 362802 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know the way to do this ephemeris stuff in TeX (because I have not decide what seem best way), but I have done a lot of other stuff with TeX including parsing algebraic chess notation and Forsyth-Edwards notation and making chess diagram from them, and also a ASCII PBM parser, and POSTNET barcode generator. But, the other thing I do not have is TeX program to generate QR codes
< 1442730562 917390 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although maybe a postprocessor could be used to generate QR codes, possibly
< 1442730820 976110 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, the AWK code of Deadfish is not quite the shortest one; the shortest code is actually APLBAONWSJAS.
< 1442731103 637004 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-117-239.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1442731369 550528 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ther
< 1442731370 493815 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :e
< 1442731380 237976 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm implementing LISP with data structures
< 1442731876 537147 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-88-216.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442733057 22862 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1442733246 140633 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1442733656 754460 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Google Translate's "instant" mode (where it OCRs text from the live camera feed, translates it, and replaces it in the original image) works offline, with a language pack taking (IIRC) just a single-digit amount of megabytes.
< 1442733685 692422 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's (mostly) word-for-word, although a lot smarter than a single dictionary.
< 1442733752 854576 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The Translate mobile app also lets you download packs for "proper" offline translation, but those are in the order of hundreds of megs.)
< 1442734354 457650 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hizzie
< 1442734489 289009 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hoochaf.
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< 1442759847 167423 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :his523
< 1442760620 732773 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving.
< 1442760666 924454 :bender|!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1442762197 391986 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode   
< 1442762198 306693 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+2009 THIN SPACE] [U+00A0 NO-BREAK SPACE]
< 1442762886 366042 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom
< 1442762887 698598 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sth/"sth" is short for "something that hibernates".
< 1442762903 844609 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1442762986 299266 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's probably wrong
< 1442762997 118742 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :stuff that helps?
< 1442763061 699527 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, as opposed to happy to help, sad to help?
< 1442763283 331416 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442763363 20113 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :
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< 1442764012 71015 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellolsner. nothing is wrong in the Wisdom.
< 1442764060 735728 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? wisdom
< 1442764061 732827 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom is always factually accurate, except for this entry, and uh that other one? it started with like, an ø?
< 1442764117 979869 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ørjan
< 1442764118 761654 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Ørjan is oerjan's good twin. He's banned in the IRC RFC for being an invalid character. Sometimes he publishes papers.
< 1442764134 784663 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the lie is that he publishes papers hth
< 1442764139 896920 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :he used to, though
< 1442764146 765415 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :k
< 1442764151 829712 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tdh
< 1442764162 33182 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :the past is a time, so that counts as sometime
< 1442764187 945938 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah but "publishes" is present tense, checkmate olsner 
< 1442764220 927224 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :*shrug* it was present tense at the time
< 1442764272 911835 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well no one said wisdom isn't _sometimes_ factually accurate.
< 1442764419 570435 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION loves the smell of Wisdom in the morning
< 1442764444 522074 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? fart
< 1442764445 91945 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fart? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1442764457 215758 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: wisdom is not a smell, and it is not morning
< 1442764467 453074 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : another fun fact: napoleon gave all his dinner guests gold utensils, but his were not. Can you guess what his were made of? <-- this is eerily close to, but somehow disturbingly off from wikipedia's version
< 1442764469 97228 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? what fart
< 1442764469 741075 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what fart? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1442764504 672834 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: fwiw, roses aren't a smell either, and people still talk about the smell of roses.
< 1442764542 854487 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: golden?
< 1442764561 127207 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you're still maintaining ayacc, you haven't disowned it, right?
< 1442764570 414799 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: no, i didn't react to that part
< 1442764573 101868 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :a quick google suggests aluminum
< 1442764576 928186 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: there remains five minutes of morning.
< 1442764601 506062 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: not disowned, just I'm not working on it right now
< 1442764606 418358 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll come back to it some time later
< 1442764611 128130 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just that it wasn't _the_ napoleon, and he wasn't the _only_ one who got aluminium.
< 1442764613 864518 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if someone else wants to take over maintenance meanwhile, I wouldn't object
< 1442764614 409139 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: hmm, was that back when aluminum was more expensive than gold, or later when it was manufanctured for cheap with electrolysis?
< 1442764621 808822 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: oh, you saved some morning for later? that's good planning
< 1442764641 209678 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that napoleon III wasn't a cool guy by himself.
< 1442764680 246084 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell shachaf you probably don't want to know more about rnz, but if you do, see https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Rnz
< 1442764680 424016 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1442764683 253978 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ok, and no, I won't take over maintenance, but I might try it out some time 
< 1442764685 864186 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, regarding "sometimes", http://starslip.chainsawsuit.com/starslip/night-shift-crisis/ seems relevant.
< 1442764710 812333 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(coincidence)
< 1442764995 796497 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Should you paint an albatross? <-- no. it'll just get annoyed and possibly attack you hth
< 1442765023 385742 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then you might accidentally kill it and get a curse.
< 1442765149 411145 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :albatrosses cause curses?
< 1442765169 359062 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought that was common knowledge.
< 1442765179 814344 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :killing them, that is.
< 1442765190 236573 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a crazy idea. Suppose in a D&D-like universe, a very rich sorcerer wants to occasionally travel very fast between his two lairs, but hates teleportation. Maybe he wants to break the speed record for a challenge. 
< 1442765234 973707 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: now i'm reminded of niven's puppeteers
< 1442765254 219751 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could he build a long road made of alternating cells of four different materials, then shapechange cyclically to four different exotic monsters, each of which can reside in only one (or at most two) of the four materials, and get shunted to the next cell each time.
< 1442765311 325887 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm thinking the four materials could be: lava (or permanent magical fire), solid stone or earth, water (or water with acid), and a very narrow passage of air in a wall of force (or of iron or leveledgium); 
< 1442765346 102493 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the four forms are xorn (in stone), fire elemental (in lava), shark (in water, or acid-breathing shark in acid water), and eg. lizard (in the narrow passage).
< 1442765369 606490 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Each time he transforms, he'd get instantly shunted to the closest space the new form can reside, which would be the next cell.
< 1442765387 800531 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The narrow tunnel would need to be barred on the two ends by the same wall of force so that the lava and water can't get in of course.
< 1442765408 62570 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or perhaps by small pieces of stone or something.
< 1442765418 983017 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds eminently practical hth
< 1442765450 812454 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The shunting would deal lots of damage to the sorcerer, and though it could perhaps be reduced somewhat, it probably can't be prevented completely.
< 1442765494 314274 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes, he'd have to be VERY rich to build such a road, because the cells have to be thicker than they are long, and the cells have to be long so he can traverse fast, because he travels about one cell per round or something not much than that.
< 1442765499 832863 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: there's a known trick using turn order where you get a bunch of commoners to stand in a line, and delay their turns so that they all happen in sequence along the line
< 1442765517 101040 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you get them to hand an object to each other in turn, and get it from one end to the other in just six seconds
< 1442765531 706686 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :commoner SIMD?
< 1442765534 147780 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: um, doesn't picking up the object take an action?
< 1442765535 223915 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1442765536 6157 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see
< 1442765539 763534 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :they each take an action in sequence
< 1442765543 528329 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can reduce the number of commoners required by getting them to jog (i.e. single-move) as one action, then hand the object over as the other
< 1442765550 341289 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that way you can space them 30 feet apart
< 1442765561 901466 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice idea
< 1442765565 38604 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn't mine
< 1442765568 212591 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is the D&D version of a bucket brigade
< 1442765571 441283 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the common name is the "commoner railgun"
< 1442765595 944600 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what would be the point?
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< 1442765626 223792 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: this is repeatable each turn, so it could carry a lot of material on a line quickly
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< 1442765643 790104 :x1365C!~x10A94@178.252.73.97 NICK :x10A94
< 1442765643 989961 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :about one carrying capacity of the weakest commoner per round or so
< 1442765667 362210 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't even kill them, unlike how the damage kills the sorcerer
< 1442765673 76464 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it gets an object from one place to another at arbitrarily high speeds
< 1442765686 413061 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it completes the movement in six seconds regardless of the distance travelled
< 1442765714 38 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, could the sorcerer get temporary invincibility, take all the damage, then quickly get healed to above zero from any amount of damage? If so, would this require very evil acts, like virgin sacrifices?
< 1442765719 886639 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what next, a commoner-based esoteric language?
< 1442765731 190394 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: we call those cellular automata
< 1442765746 414836 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would require more complex rules for the commoners...
< 1442765764 406345 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: are you sure you're on the right channel if you ask questions like “what would be the point”?
< 1442765769 788824 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose :)
< 1442765815 483728 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cellular automata commoners... could get quite gory for some CAs (and patterns)
< 1442765872 51607 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: if you're allowed to rely on typos in the manual, you can heal someone to 1hp from arbitrary HP values (including negative) via holding their head underwater for two rounds, then casting cure minor wounds on the third
< 1442765878 904224 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(assuming they don't hold their breath)
< 1442765990 86325 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ah, right
< 1442766052 267276 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the manual says "sets hp to 0" rather than "reduces hp to 0"
< 1442766076 775316 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the water is conveniently in the channel, though he'd need some way to get healed up from unconsciousness afterwards, without a risk that his trusted lieutenant doesn't “forget” to heal him
< 1442766125 114661 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait
< 1442766127 598645 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :he doesn't need that
< 1442766145 768125 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if he's temporarily indestructible to survive the damage anyway
< 1442766158 426272 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :he can just wait as a human in water to get 0 hp, then quaff a potion
< 1442766169 811462 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :brilliant
< 1442766180 33869 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :though there's still the question of how he gets temporary invincibility
< 1442766197 973252 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and keep it while polymorphed
< 1442766281 528077 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you can combine a spell and feat to get immunity to HP death
< 1442766284 388798 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plus the question of building the road.
< 1442766286 665918 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :until the spell expires
< 1442766296 426000 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: does that work even shapechanged?
< 1442766305 337818 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds
< 1442766306 946256 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea
< 1442766314 820053 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if it's the same person who casts both shapechange and that spell on himself?
< 1442766364 236037 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm worried because Szabó Magda: ''Tündér Lala'' features fairies that are specifically immortal, but are mortal if they magically shapechange to an ordinary animal such as a dog.
< 1442766414 876917 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plus, even in nethack, many boss monsters lose most of their special properties while polymorphed.
< 1442766468 141987 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: wait, is that a spell a wizard can cast? or divine-only?
< 1442766498 295424 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :again, I don't know
< 1442766501 335073 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't remember the details
< 1442766517 45935 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of my players pulled it off against me in a game where the players were encouraged to break the rules
< 1442766526 160048 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, not break
< 1442766527 899608 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :exploit
< 1442766544 420827 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442766679 120172 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-092-072-165-010.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1442766724 262889 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Later
< 1442766897 599941 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm also worried about polymorph because such a thing could require you to be in the form of some particular unusual monster, such as a plant or something.
< 1442766936 143264 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and you probably want to get immune to dying from both nonpositive HP and from suffering too much damage in a turn.
< 1442766976 760859 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, massive damage rule
< 1442766985 232704 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think most groups pretend that one doesn't exist
< 1442766988 944582 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the other hand, this whole thing is probably more difficult to pull off than a combo that just lets you increase your normal run or flight or swim speed without a cap.
< 1442767009 673692 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: or that it exists only for damage from particular sources, such as critical hits from an attack.
< 1442767022 140889 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or damage from the same one commander.
< 1442767033 37632 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: that's a M:tG rule, not a D&D rule
< 1442767041 159009 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I know.
< 1442767108 809680 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I said a D&D-like world. It could be a roguelike or something, though the narrow tunnel thing might not work in a roguelike that insists on every creature fitting the same size of square.
< 1442767285 644289 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reminds me of the Esolang „Befunge“
< 1442767364 996584 :Melvar`!~melvar@dslb-092-072-150-160.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442767412 647336 :sc00fy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442767515 84023 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :APic: have you ever heard of our Lord fungot?
< 1442767540 444604 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-165-010.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds
< 1442767547 229075 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(where's fungot when you need him?)
< 1442767576 715995 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's swimming with the fnords
< 1442767655 140682 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1442767679 809870 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: Probably not yet
< 1442767753 207238 :Melvar``!~melvar@dslb-088-078-248-074.088.078.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442767865 303517 :Melvar`!~melvar@dslb-092-072-150-160.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds
< 1442767873 777705 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :APic: meanwhile, you're either Albanian, Bulgarian, Czech, Estonian, German, Icelandic, Macedonian, Romanian, Serbian, Slovak or Slovene.
< 1442767880 398581 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably German, population-wise.
< 1442767885 271391 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :German
< 1442767894 116325 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Statistics ♥
< 1442767988 211164 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it generally sunny or rainy where you live?
< 1442768587 125289 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: how do you come to this conclusion?
< 1442768790 410743 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: quotation marks :D
< 1442768801 240240 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1442768824 584328 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would never type them, though
< 1442768891 139411 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :«»“”‘’ are readily available on the layout I use, but I can't type the low marks.
< 1442768944 937489 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am using a software keyboard most of the time
< 1442768967 938228 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :«»¢“”nµæßðđŋħĸł@łe¶ŧ←↓→øþ<>©‘’NºÆ§ÐªŊĦ&ŁΩŁE®Ŧ¥↑ıØÞ
< 1442768977 290670 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, /that/'s where ↑ went
< 1442769263 876175 :Melvar``!~melvar@dslb-088-078-248-074.088.078.pools.vodafone-ip.de NICK :Melvar
< 1442769267 662214 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ­
< 1442769268 505427 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+00AD SOFT HYPHEN]
< 1442769296 321221 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-088-078-248-074.088.078.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442769413 947251 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: I assume you have a box of invisible characters that need sorting?
< 1442769473 270838 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the japanese ハンカク mode, 
< 1442769536 298657 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :` ト ' ハ ‘ ト ’ ニ ナル
< 1442769537 44353 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: : not found
< 1442769724 551899 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what happens in the canadian keyboard mode
< 1442769859 960482 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: apparently I can type soft hyphens.
< 1442769862 566701 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok that is weird. ? -> É, 'a -> à, |\ -> <>, [a -> â
< 1442769876 320317 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: what's the keybind?
< 1442769895 439516 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: how come is it weird? it's the layout I use.
< 1442769916 842219 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ISO level 5 + Shift + /.
< 1442769921 305955 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's weird because it doesn't match the keytop labels
< 1442769934 90766 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode 
< 1442769934 846428 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1442769938 247844 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even know how it got installed
< 1442769949 319180 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: apparently I don't have the same keyboard layout as you
< 1442769960 863516 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :either that or AltGr does something different from ISO level 5
< 1442769970 151862 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AltGr is level 3 I think?
< 1442770048 921091 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, could be
< 1442770072 702760 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: there are two layouts in use in Québec: Canadien Français and Canadien Multilingue. both have éÉ instead of /?, but they differ mainly on the dead keys and pre-composed accented letters.
< 1442770111 296233 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have US and canadian multilunual
< 1442770125 609154 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :
< 1442770142 214537 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then I have 5 different Japanese modes
< 1442770151 7127 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: what? I type “„”‘’»« too
< 1442770181 312900 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and …– as well
< 1442770191 694421 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I added them to my keyboard layout because I need them often
< 1442770247 406224 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should also add à and the other non-obscure French accented characters too, probably to capslock-control-letters if my keyboard can handle capslock-control-shift-letter together.
< 1442770251 329251 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In hankaku katakana mode、 I can type english by starting with a cpaital letter
< 1442770274 265367 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know some keyboards can't handle capslock-shift-backtick but mine is better.
< 1442770283 361997 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I remapped Caps to Escape. much more confortable for vim sessions.
< 1442770303 148381 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need a vim pedal
< 1442770313 871065 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@173-164-145-244-SFBA.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442770323 298671 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have lots of symbols available thru my IME ,、,”“゛″〝"〟
< 1442770338 678949 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/alevchuk/vim-clutch
< 1442770341 184540 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: Let'sせえ。。。Nope.Itをrks、利ghtウンチLityペ亜S波C絵。NotQ浮いて失せ付ぇ、意F酔う湾Tmyおぴにおん。
< 1442770342 680665 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i so like the idea
< 1442770387 973511 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You need to be in hankaku katakana mode I think.
< 1442770394 89648 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: I like entering きごう, then mashing the space bar to get all kinds of funky Unicode tidbits.
< 1442770441 162485 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: bwah ah ah!
< 1442770476 203002 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: it's awesome
< 1442770476 381138 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1442770497 62143 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus there's some other characters I should add too
< 1442770528 298068 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442770603 720643 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :⦃⟦⦇⟪«»⟫⦈⟧⦄
< 1442770622 959423 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forget why I have bindings for these
< 1442770625 44990 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ohhh characters that aren't in my fon!?!?!
< 1442770639 439457 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :go add them!
< 1442770641 879621 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode ⦃⟦⦇
< 1442770642 950963 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+2983 LEFT WHITE CURLY BRACKET \ UTF-8: e2 a6 83  UTF-16BE: 2983  Decimal: ⦃ \ ⦃ \ Category: Ps (Punctuation, Open) \ Bidi: ON (Other Neutrals) \ Character is mirrored \  \ U+27E6 MATHEMATICAL LEFT WHITE SQUARE BRACKET \ UTF-8: e2 9f a6  UTF-16BE: 27e6  Decimal: ⟦ \ ⟦ \ Category: Ps (Punctuation, Open) \ Bidi: ON (Other Neutrals)
< 1442770659 817913 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode ⦃⦇
< 1442770660 995214 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+2983 LEFT WHITE CURLY BRACKET \ UTF-8: e2 a6 83  UTF-16BE: 2983  Decimal: ⦃ \ ⦃ \ Category: Ps (Punctuation, Open) \ Bidi: ON (Other Neutrals) \ Character is mirrored \  \ U+2987 Z NOTATION LEFT IMAGE BRACKET \ UTF-8: e2 a6 87  UTF-16BE: 2987  Decimal: ⦇ \ ⦇ \ Category: Ps (Punctuation, Open) \ Bidi: ON (Other Neutrals) \ Charac
< 1442770683 496026 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :doing that
< 1442770738 368366 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eventually I plan to move my prject off fontstruct so I can add Chinese characters. (Fontstruct doesn't support Chinese)
< 1442770738 998423 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably àèìòù to capslock-control-aeiou, âêîôû to capslock-control-áéíóú (that's easy to remember), plus äëïçœæßåø somewhere
< 1442770762 978851 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the uppercase versions of all but eszett to capslock-control-shift same letter
< 1442770808 623999 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: shouldn't it be easier to put ^, ¨ and ` on a dead key?
< 1442770811 134106 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, perhaps the circumfletted letters not on those places
< 1442770814 613728 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: no!
< 1442770818 459090 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no dead keys
< 1442770823 980828 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not doing necromancy
< 1442770824 890859 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is a capital eszett
< 1442770843 906466 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: yes, but it's not something I need frequently. there's also a low-single-9 quotation mark
< 1442770856 611332 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION waves his magical mapole around and try to zombify b_jonas' keyboard
< 1442770865 358583 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's in my font ẞ
< 1442770866 601293 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and single > and < quotation marks
< 1442770870 682777 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yet I don't have those in my mapping
< 1442771013 515490 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not have a shift key you can hold down, type "o and get ö
< 1442771047 415192 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in other words a key that merges all the characters you type until you release it
< 1442771074 106824 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: nope, that could trigger during normal typing, 
< 1442771082 692992 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also is hard to type because " requires holding down shift
< 1442771096 337754 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ö is Shift + ¨, release, then o.
< 1442771098 584065 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well then use some other key
< 1442771118 716276 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I don't release a key before I press the next key, I want both of them to register.  this isn't a calculator, it's a real computer keyboard where I want to type fast.
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< 1442771135 644476 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like maybe that stupid menu button windows keyboards have?
< 1442771139 241834 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :only the modifier keys should work otherwise
< 1442771173 227802 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: those could work, but I'm using caps-lock as a fourth modifier anyway, and I don't want to add a fifth, at least not for typing (as opposed to eg. window manager shortcuts)
< 1442771209 462784 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plus I don't like those keys, because I like normal 101-key AT keyboards that don't have it, and want to be compatible with them.
< 1442771423 289697 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :㊤
< 1442771441 780885 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is that character for
< 1442771490 226320 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: I believe it's for annotating ancient Chinese text for study by ancient Japanese to show the word order it would be read if it had Japanese grammar.
< 1442771529 344067 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or backwards or something
< 1442771553 24893 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: let me find a reference
< 1442771611 793245 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Furigana#Kunten
< 1442771689 730831 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kanbun
< 1442771749 278595 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :holy crap. those unicode guys... I don't even...
< 1442771776 505207 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: that might be a different character though. they weren't circled, and somehow I don't think Japanese people would circle a kanji
< 1442771780 525417 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric : /last chaf
< 1442771788 142603 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it might be for some different thing
< 1442771812 303903 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: ㊤ _is_ a redirect to Kanbun in en.wikipedia though
< 1442771839 34541 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops
< 1442771852 123544 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: see https://ja.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E3%86%96
< 1442771891 105973 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: wiktionary documents a lot of obscure kanji 
< 1442771896 881700 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and similar symbols
< 1442772219 747631 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%9B%B2%E3%81%BF%E6%96%87%E5%AD%97
< 1442772422 684724 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently circled letters are used for elements, and the kanji are used for bases and positions in baseball
< 1442772462 965149 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: heheh
< 1442772475 149139 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what kinds of "elements"
< 1442772537 46186 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :〇cis apparently "cupper"
< 1442772546 401077 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they mean copper
< 1442772628 188981 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ㊥ is midfielder or whatever
< 1442772707 995499 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm oh wait they use SQUARES for the baseball stuff
< 1442772721 888652 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which requires the astral plane
< 1442772971 57515 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: heh
< 1442773728 990972 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, anybody know a good bitmap font editor?
< 1442773840 851597 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442774782 932639 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ohhhh!!! If you convert a ttf to bdf with fontforge, then open the bdf, fontforge's glyph editor is suddently in a "bitmap mode"!
< 1442774801 574858 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok well fuck fontstruct then
< 1442774836 22348 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: yay
< 1442774895 93653 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I can start adding wide characters and Chinese! hehehehehehe
< 1442775129 680246 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
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< 1442775862 646193 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@173-164-145-244-SFBA.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Quit: *bubbles away*
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< 1442777084 40518 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many ideographs are there in the main CJK block?
< 1442777169 890244 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :20,950. holy fucking shit that would take a long time
< 1442777189 971004 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll start with just the Joyo kanji
< 1442777214 723489 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and katakana and hiragana
< 1442777253 402835 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442777687 841532 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
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< 1442778125 89690 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\, designing a font?
< 1442778132 633870 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :For what reason?
< 1442778196 937739 :APic!apic@apic.name QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1442778331 793483 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not
< 1442778342 7134 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cause it's awesome
< 1442778434 792570 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok now this is a problem. I can convert ttf to a  bdf, but I can't seem to convert back to a tff
< 1442778441 268111 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/tff/ttf/
< 1442778515 430318 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do you want to convert it back to a TTF format?
< 1442778565 694001 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :To install it?
< 1442778613 418157 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :See if you can install bitmap fonts on your computer though
< 1442778636 361508 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless you need to print, they should be good enough for most purposes
< 1442778677 360257 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need ttf
< 1442778686 383710 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :windows only supports ttf
< 1442778705 698051 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Windows supports bitmap fonts
< 1442778718 577242 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Although using a different format than UNIX)
< 1442778788 47139 :x10A94!~x10A94@178.252.73.97 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1442778841 348143 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No matter what I do, fontforge's saved ttf file is "not a valid font file" according to windows
< 1442778930 655537 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :See if it has Windows bitmap font format. If not, you could also try OpenType if it has it; Windows supports that too, I think
< 1442778954 423942 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :windows switched to OTF quite a while ago for their standard fonts.
< 1442779045 607130 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :otf isn't working, the generated font shows all blank glyphs
< 1442779084 179469 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try Windows bitmap font format (I think it is .FON but I am not sure)
< 1442779435 567665 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92AA5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442779479 473371 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh i see, fontforge doesn't have the ability to trace a bitmap into a vector font at all.
< 1442779509 2254 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi guys
< 1442779515 864988 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92AA5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1442779614 696440 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O so that is why it does not work. You must use an external program (unless it supports Windows bitmap font formats)
< 1442779665 207503 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi, S1! Haven't seen you around here before!
< 1442779674 130452 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92AA5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :you must be blind thenü
< 1442779675 794675 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: I think it had some integration to some external tool.
< 1442779696 632083 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I made a .ttf out of a bitmap font somehow.
< 1442779707 547052 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92AA5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: First visit two years ago, last visit on friday ;) I am hkgit03 sometimes.
< 1442779708 864042 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the rfk86 font.
< 1442779713 706918 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :S1: It's possible we're in incompatible timezones uasually
< 1442779728 508098 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*usually
< 1442779759 306945 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92AA5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: Don't you at least remember me as hkgit03? I was here quite often this week.
< 1442779795 950040 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :S1: Don't remember an hkgit03. Probably just time zone issues
< 1442779806 419009 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know what'd make it easier to learn Lambda Calculus and the SKI Combinator Calculus?
< 1442779844 386470 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lambda/SKI Combinator Arithmetic.
< 1442779849 602630 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Algebra
< 1442779858 894194 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92AA5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: No, you were here too, I know that.
< 1442779864 319772 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks like I just wrote a piece of Perl to generate a .svg font out of the bitmaps, and then used some tool on that.
< 1442779885 357073 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That way, you wouldn't have to dive into a complex, foriegn system immediately. You could just start with the basics.
< 1442779900 549278 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you add my Robot find kitten implementation into the list?
< 1442779936 821071 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone want to help me figure out a Lambda Arithmetic?
< 1442779973 280325 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: You'll need to contact rfk@robotfindskitten.org for that, I don't have anything to do with the website.
< 1442780030 308796 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm only responsible for the zem.fi/rfk86 site.)
< 1442780191 458497 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have email
< 1442780268 363357 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Wut.
< 1442780273 1977 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, they allegedly have an office in Los Angeles, if that helps.
< 1442780285 115047 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Why do you not have email?
< 1442780285 555717 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Other than that, I don't know of any ways to contact them.
< 1442780292 342219 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't live in Los Angeles
< 1442780330 812740 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 is setting off alarms in my head.
< 1442780333 640031 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442780342 299939 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi mauris
< 1442780353 434797 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi hppavilion[1]!
< 1442780361 366756 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :how are things
< 1442780375 496422 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just found out zzo38 doesn't have email and now every alarm in my head is simultaneously going off
< 1442780400 488734 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's very loud. I am in horrible pain right now.
< 1442780480 578741 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mauris: In other news, I'm attempting to invent "
< 1442780481 20566 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :λ-Arithmetic", which is basically supposed to make is easier to learn the λ-Calculus by starting with something everyone knows.
< 1442780499 438256 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically, following the same path you took to learn normal math.
< 1442780555 873201 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But first, I have to figure out the λ-Calculus xD
< 1442780559 567605 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still barely understand it
< 1442780594 714893 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's pretty easy, really
< 1442780596 293934 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even after having learned a bit of Haskell
< 1442780612 814272 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: I know, I just don't have the vocabulary and didn't think to look things up last time
< 1442780633 744844 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are like two relevant rules in untyped lambda cslculus
< 1442780640 238818 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course
< 1442780657 462315 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just do something with it
< 1442780662 989831 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might also invent Kleene Arithmetic, which is basically just simplified Regex
< 1442780673 700286 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. write a map function for lists in lambda calculus
< 1442780691 91991 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The λ-calculus page on Esolangs needs some serious cleaning
< 1442780733 851405 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The openning section is far too logn
< 1442780737 801791 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*long
< 1442780748 226525 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92AA5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :The page on wikipedia is good iirc
< 1442780751 85173 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :b slog n
< 1442780765 485128 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like slog. It's my favorite operation
< 1442780789 668865 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless I can include summation
< 1442780792 98567 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My favorite function is the Pi Function
< 1442780866 88681 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer the notation b log n to log_b(n)
< 1442780869 951522 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't
< 1442780884 253780 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cause that would mean n log n is 1
< 1442780888 732406 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's more operationy
< 1442780914 285881 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think of log as a binary operation, not a set of functions that you reference with a subscript
< 1442780919 342493 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1442780932 65156 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though if I were to think of it that way, I'd prefer log[b](n), as that's more pythony
< 1442780950 261452 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh god
< 1442780963 815838 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just spent 5-10 minutes waiting for a lecture on λ-calculus to laod
< 1442780971 105660 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not only is it not the one I was looking for
< 1442780977 408743 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's in Comic Sans
< 1442780977 835827 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Math++14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=44284 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (+3548) 10Created page with "'''Math++''' is an esoteric programming language by SuperJedi224, defined by [http://pastebin.com/mnxZk1cz this java implementation.]  All '''Math++''' variables are 64-bit IE..."
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< 1442781116 11366 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Math++14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44285&oldid=44284 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (+287) 10
< 1442781154 259706 :J_Arcane_!~chatzilla@37-219-88-216.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442781161 994468 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Math++14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44286&oldid=44285 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (+64) 10/* Sample Programs */
< 1442781178 657152 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Math++14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44287&oldid=44286 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (+4) 10/* Sample Programs */
< 1442781252 871651 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], 5-10 minutes? From what service is that?
< 1442781261 927268 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds terrible
< 1442781268 784459 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Alaska Internet. And I think it was a big document
< 1442781289 393522 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], ah. I was about to ask if you were on ISS or something yeah
< 1442781292 979238 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that explains it
< 1442781293 808088 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Alaska Internet isn't the name of the service, "Alaska" is just a descriptor of what kind of Internet it is)
< 1442781321 436459 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-88-216.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
< 1442781323 665241 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], I'm on Swedish internet, so that just seemed plain wrong to me
< 1442781328 303288 :J_Arcane_!~chatzilla@37-219-88-216.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi NICK :J_Arcane
< 1442781342 543520 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The service I'm using is GCI, which is the fastest available internet in the state (or at least in Anchorage). I used to have a 1mb/s connection, but we switched to the one other available service.)
< 1442781366 799535 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], so now you have how much instead?
< 1442781375 733680 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(GCI is actually evil. They only deliver ~1/2 the speed they promise, but that speed is 8x better than the alternative)
< 1442781379 491910 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], I have 250 down, 10 up
< 1442781395 639604 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe GCI promises 16mb/s
< 1442781397 206071 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I actually get pretty close to that
< 1442781398 572016 :sc00fy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1442781413 354504 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :GRR I can't find an option to just use the pixels' outlines instead of trying to smooth it
< 1442781436 653781 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you get  8 mb/s?
< 1442781440 705521 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just waiting for the day when Free High-speed WiFi is declared a basic human right
< 1442781443 663114 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's poor
< 1442781445 951130 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: I believe it's about that
< 1442781451 83988 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's fast enough for me xD
< 1442781468 500144 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I /think/ it's 8mb/s, but I don't manage it
< 1442781471 587195 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], I get about 240 mbit/s down
< 1442781475 624475 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might be off by an order of magnitude
< 1442781477 536660 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:SuperJedi22414]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44288&oldid=43888 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (+13) 10
< 1442781478 311680 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I pay for 250
< 1442781479 255759 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll go do a speedtest now
< 1442781481 747627 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that seems reasonable
< 1442781512 801390 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The UK "fibre" (optical to some point, but generally VDSL for the last bit, at least in older places) nominal speeds are pretty weird, it's either 38/9.5 (down/up), or 76/19.
< 1442781513 844098 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :the 10 mbit/s up and getting about 8 mbit/s up actually is a bit more annoying
< 1442781520 604707 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :it takes forever to upload any large file
< 1442781533 866815 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, yes those are weird
< 1442781534 395120 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ping: 9ms
< 1442781545 380380 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've occasionally wondered whether they actually configure it 40/10 and 80/20, and just use a bit lower figures to avoid the usual "nobody actually gets the nominal speed" issues.
< 1442781546 499036 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], well that is good at least
< 1442781556 349684 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Down: 50 mbits/s
< 1442781565 367169 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? not too bad
< 1442781569 815191 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Math++14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44289&oldid=44287 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (+52) 10/* Sample Programs */
< 1442781573 102741 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Up: ~2 mbits/s
< 1442781578 960966 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I rarely upload things thoguh
< 1442781584 39052 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], shouldn't be that bad then
< 1442781591 236248 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still, the "standard" Finnish VDSL (download) speeds were 10, 50 and 100, so I'm not sure why they went with 40/80 here.
< 1442781597 368088 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really only GitHub and the lightweight uploading associated with fora usage and such
< 1442781638 313318 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Math++14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44290&oldid=44289 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (+5) 10/* Using the Map */
< 1442781647 360293 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to have email with Free Geek but now they have disabled the ability to login with SSH so now I cannot access it anymore (I don't know if possibly my account is deleted too)
< 1442781680 763289 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, the 80/20 hypothesis seems to be true: the VDSL2 modem reports nominal payload rates of 79999/19999 kbps.
< 1442781718 354273 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Are you a security nut?
< 1442781719 632053 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1442781739 258109 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I am, but only to the extent of browser extensions, firefox, and Duck Duck Go)
< 1442781783 486804 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Wait, don't you have your own website? Couldn't you set up an SMTP server on that?
< 1442781826 281867 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you're not interested in answers, you could send email even without that.
< 1442781828 80279 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], that is what I do, run SMTP + IMAP I mean
< 1442781845 908588 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: True
< 1442781858 769244 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still have a gmail, but I'm fazing it out
< 1442781870 799835 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the word is "phasing"
< 1442781879 205430 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah right
< 1442781879 815479 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could run my own SMTP server and I have done that occasionally before, mainly in order to receive message only sometimes and then cancel the daemon after message is received, therefore no spam messages are possible
< 1442781925 827483 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I try to send message to other SMTP server they tell me that it is graylisted and won't sent
< 1442781938 841388 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Fair enough. You could, of course, use 10-minute-mail to get RFK over to the people you're getting it to
< 1442781939 100791 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, that was one way I guess. I create a new alias for each web site I register with, that way I can trace who I started getting spam via and just delete that alias
< 1442781939 526773 :mauris_!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442781953 870611 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can get around graylisting by just retrying, without having to do anything special.
< 1442781963 952645 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, really?
< 1442781975 470644 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I did read the instructions and that is what it says, so I did try that, but it did not seem to work.
< 1442781976 82554 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I mean, that's what graylisting is.
< 1442781988 19623 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not "getting around" anything, it's how greylisting is supposed to work
< 1442781995 488000 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1442782004 432142 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does gray listing work?
< 1442782013 119547 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :And why would you be hit by it?
< 1442782018 150108 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just meant there's no reason to have a server do it, it should be quite doable manually.
< 1442782034 131420 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it just reports a temporary delivery failure to the submitting server; the server is supposed to try again later
< 1442782037 620829 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some sites graylist everything, so just not having sent them any mail before could be a sufficient reason.
< 1442782044 788798 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, ah
< 1442782062 811713 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: the idea is that most spammers don't actually run servers; they just dump their payload and move on.
< 1442782066 164930 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, seems it would slow down mail delivery, which could be annoying
< 1442782079 186029 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :S1: I'm making a set of Semi-Esoteric VMs
< 1442782081 752098 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Only for the first message from an unknown sending server.
< 1442782083 898301 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have any ideas?
< 1442782087 267757 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I currently have:
< 1442782099 543722 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1442782101 305703 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :* IndeterminantVM: Variable-length instructions
< 1442782102 314059 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: (But it does introduce delays, that can be sometimes -- but rarely -- long.)
< 1442782107 833480 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :* ThueVM: String-based
< 1442782113 681481 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :* GreekVM: Geometry-based
< 1442782125 574815 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92AA5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :By VM you mean?
< 1442782143 557027 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :* ArbourVM: Registries lie on a tree
< 1442782149 308629 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :VM as in Virtual Machine. Like the JVM
< 1442782161 412761 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even if I set up SMTP server and then disable some names when they are receive it, can still cause spam message to be received, they will still send it because the server is still reachable. You have to disable the SMTP server entirely to stop receiving spam messages
< 1442782168 557950 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92AA5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Call them interpreters
< 1442782212 224462 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hm how does one set up for example postfix to do gray listing I wonder
< 1442782212 438638 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :S1: But it runs bytecode, so it's closer to a VM than a traditional interpreter (like the python interpreter)
< 1442782234 227801 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is, technically, an interpreter though. Then again, so is a computer.
< 1442782238 864616 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], um. Python runs byte code
< 1442782248 571650 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Right, right. Forgot about that
< 1442782250 443700 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], what do you think the .pyc files are?
< 1442782253 999182 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92AA5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: Then you have to write a specification for bytecode first. Where is that?
< 1442782255 501105 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: postfwd + postgrey is I think a relatively common combination -- both are tools external to Postfix.
< 1442782260 280545 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I forgot about those
< 1442782262 923517 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ah
< 1442782283 698822 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :S1: https://github.com/ZodiacWorkingGroup/TaurusVM/tree/master/docs
< 1442782293 395094 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's where I'm gathering the Bytecodes
< 1442782293 665604 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], the only pure interpreter I can think of atm is probably bash. Perl also does byte code internally for example iirc
< 1442782307 554401 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fairly certain ruby does too
< 1442782313 961010 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: WalScript (my own language) is a pure interpreter
< 1442782332 625670 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's actually more than one VM gathered into the same Repo. They all have different properties for different ideas
< 1442782336 390816 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92AA5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't get it
< 1442782345 756989 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92AA5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I won't dig through code now
< 1442782346 100516 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What don't you get?
< 1442782349 837866 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: (First one is for configuring rules more flexibly than standard Postfix allows, and the second one is a greylisting tool. I don't think there's any reason why postgrey alone wouldn't suffice.)
< 1442782350 769707 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It isn't code
< 1442782356 913129 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's documentation
< 1442782370 11039 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I see
< 1442782378 154829 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, sounds annoying to configure though
< 1442782381 350143 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :S1: Here's the documentation for the instructions: https://github.com/ZodiacWorkingGroup/TaurusVM/blob/master/docs/IndeterminantVM/setdocs.txt
< 1442782405 731866 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though it might be confusing if you don't read this first: https://github.com/ZodiacWorkingGroup/TaurusVM/blob/master/docs/IndeterminantVM/fileformat.md
< 1442782405 909798 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92AA5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks like BANCStar
< 1442782434 742796 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :S1: It does, because BANCStar is practically a machine language
< 1442782447 459806 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92AA5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does ISA mean in this context?
< 1442782463 112117 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You aren't meant to write TaurusVM codes directly, you write assembly and the (to-be-developed) Assembler converts it to TaurusVM
< 1442782473 610413 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: A little, yes. They both hook up to the Postfix "policy server" mechanism, and I think postgrey's pretty good with working out-of-the-box (and included in Debian repositories). I ran it as a test, and it seemed to work, but I get so little mail at my own domain, it didn't seem worth it.
< 1442782474 626597 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ISA = Instruction Set Architecture
< 1442782515 763283 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I think greylisting works better on a server that receives large volumes of email, anyway, because then you'll have the greylisting decisions for the majority of sending mail servers "normal people" use cached all the time.
< 1442782550 353259 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92AA5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see. It's quite an easy spec.
< 1442782561 257940 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, right
< 1442782630 506519 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: The mail forwarding service I use does a DNS blacklist check and then graylists all mail that comes from blacklisted addresses; that seems like a pretty good combination to not avoid the greylisting delays, and still survive from blacklist mistakes.
< 1442782663 880028 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, mail forwarding? I thought you ran your own?
< 1442782679 33721 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92AA5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: So you're converting several esolangs into your bytecode and then have that one VM? Cause you said "semi-esoteric VMs" (plural)
< 1442782687 789765 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I run my own for zem.fi, but that's not my "real" email address.
< 1442782711 270022 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :S1: Basically, I have more than one VM (each with its own name) that are all under the umbrella of TaurusVM.
< 1442782719 365940 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I see
< 1442782744 181275 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A .taurus file (which is a TaurusVM executable) begins with a null-terminated ID string that tells the main executer which "sub-VM" the file uses
< 1442782757 833404 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92AA5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: So what are those other VMs doing? Translating esolangs into bytecode which then is interpreted by TaurusVM?
< 1442782759 894309 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The main executer then passes the rest of the file to that executer
< 1442782773 41735 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92AA5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, Sub-VM. What the heck
< 1442782776 105929 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :S1: I'm not translating Esolangs into Bytecode (well, I can)
< 1442782786 322074 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Sub-VM" is just a term because it's weird the way I did it
< 1442782790 43077 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92AA5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes
< 1442782796 658855 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ThueVM, GreekVM, and IndeterminantVM are all different VMs
< 1442782799 535287 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92AA5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: What is that bytecode spec for then?
< 1442782813 209028 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :S1: That spec is for one of the VMs.
< 1442782822 485382 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :IndeterminantVM.
< 1442782822 702456 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: The "real" one is an for an email forwarding service from a Finnish "internet activists" organization, pointed at whatever ISP mailbox seems to be handy. Ridiculously enough, I've still got it pointed at our Finnish ISP's email servers, because the Internet connection there is part of the apartment maintenance fees now, and we still own the place in Finland.
< 1442782833 299293 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :IndVM uses variable-length arguments
< 1442782857 156866 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92AA5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: And what does get translated into that bytecode? You just said you're not translating esolangs. So what then?
< 1442782866 227185 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, I should probably check the generated-by-default mailbox at the UK ISP some day. I'm sure there's some random promotional mail from the ISP or something in there.
< 1442782889 194877 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: Well, the thing that gets translated into Bytecode is an assembly language. Which is, truth be told, a bit of an esolang.
< 1442782927 23281 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92AA5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :And what does all that have to do with esolangs?
< 1442782929 406221 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1442782931 385075 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :An Esolang /can/ be translated into Assembly (or directly to a TVM VM), but that's not the main goal of this project
< 1442782938 432783 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :S1: Well, the VMs are esoteric
< 1442782942 514245 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92AA5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see
< 1442782951 545596 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92AA5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :written in what?
< 1442782965 565717 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Currently? Prototyped in Python. Later? C or C++
< 1442782984 646606 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92AA5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :The way you explain all this sure is esoteric, alright
< 1442782988 124092 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know
< 1442782991 70614 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm bad at explaining
< 1442783009 166323 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD
< 1442783031 573421 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1442783034 645493 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let me start over.
< 1442783045 814460 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to compose in a separate document then send it here.
< 1442783048 803545 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92AA5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you're translating an asm lang into bytecode which then is run by one of several sub-VMs...
< 1442783054 252726 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92AA5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds terrific, thx
< 1442783171 727184 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442783235 633931 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :TaurusVM is not actually a single VM (virtual machine). It is a collection of Semi-Esoteric virtual machines, each of which runs bytecode programs.
< 1442783236 41622 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The main VM under TVM (TaurusVM) is called "IndeterminantVM", and uses variable-length arguments through a process that need not be explained here.
< 1442783236 219676 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A TaurusVM executable (.taurus, specifically. .tau is different) is composed of an ID string (a null-terminated string explaining to the main executer which VM to use) followed by  a flat binary.
< 1442783261 933192 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :S1: I can't tell if "That sounds terrific, thx" is sarcasm.
< 1442783320 336266 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92AA5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not really, no. A composed separate document would be more lovely than some bad explanation
< 1442783330 22328 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know, I'm working on it
< 1442783343 671705 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92AA5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(though the last three lines of yours where more understandable than before)
< 1442783367 290196 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1442783533 958878 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, any idea how hard/easy it would be to set up saned and cups for sharing a multi function printer from a RPi?
< 1442783550 731315 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :bf\0++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.
< 1442783557 12964 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, for some reason this seems like the kind of thing you would do
< 1442783652 818850 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92AA5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: 8
< 1442783683 796716 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`bf ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.
< 1442783687 679843 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​&
< 1442783698 127599 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92AA5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks similar
< 1442783720 595806 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92AA5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I counted ten too few, I think
< 1442783734 439306 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92AA5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`bf ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.
< 1442783735 318362 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​&
< 1442783736 908392 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92AA5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1442783799 28498 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it possible to make the UNIX printer driver to just send the printout to a directory on the HTTP server in an encrypted format, and to be able to receive it with a DOS program and send it to the printer?
< 1442783817 120828 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92AA5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Yes.
< 1442783834 250399 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, this seems like a silly thing to do, but knowing you you have a weird setup that requires this. And yes, probably
< 1442783864 207131 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :print to PDF and then get it over smbfs, (by DOS I assume you actually mean Windows)
< 1442783879 132287 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I mean DOS and not Windows. Also, I want PCL and not PDF
< 1442783881 682712 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :then presumably print it again on Windows
< 1442783887 127996 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, I have no idea
< 1442783898 82023 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I can already generate PCL though)
< 1442783905 82683 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And the printer accepts PCL)
< 1442783907 786478 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92AA5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd really like to see zzo38's setup
< 1442783937 414934 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you program it to do that so that the lp program will store the print jobs it receives by stdin into there and then treat it like normal print jobs otherwise except not send to printer?
< 1442784081 880861 :sc00fy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442784120 274132 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in
< 1442784211 524376 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :S1: There. The README is up-to-date and documents languages that will run on it.
< 1442784232 369524 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92AA5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: link again pls
< 1442784237 833828 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1442784260 264429 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92AA5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :plskthx
< 1442784261 253625 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/ZodiacWorkingGroup/TaurusVM/
< 1442784262 877393 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugh. I still can't generate a ttf that windows thinks is valid
< 1442784274 170158 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm now adding a section on the assemblers
< 1442784376 723476 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442784452 844945 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi, oerjan!
< 1442784477 669990 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92AA5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still don't get why several VMs are necessary but I guess questioning specs is pointless in the esolang community
< 1442784556 524674 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are we typing English into Japanese IMEs?
< 1442784583 991667 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :S1: Multiple VMs are not necessary, but it's more fun to make more than one
< 1442784590 351891 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92AA5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :more esoteric
< 1442784593 450684 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :イ’m権あぎヴぇてゃtあtry。
< 1442784611 998162 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I can't put them all together into a single VM, as some have features that conflict with othres
< 1442784613 868233 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :湯p、ティspろづせs染pれtty院テレs珍gレスltsイfイs田rtウィthあぉゑr嘉瀬ぇってr。
< 1442784622 304613 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92AA5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: Which are those features?
< 1442784628 627994 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: ow.
< 1442784638 83989 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I start with an uppercase letter, on the other hand, everything is fine.
< 1442784645 634132 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made up the VM too because I wanted to make some game program with a sufficiently simple VM that does not require any proprietary software, therefore I dod
< 1442784654 955667 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :S1: For example, all the registry manipulation in IndeterminantVM would collide with ThueVM's stringiness
< 1442784686 867299 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :He did. It was pretty good. I don't understand it.
< 1442784694 538592 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92AA5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :How exactly is registry defined here?
< 1442784697 118334 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: stランゲly、手ぇれ背絵ms戸部亜ぉT御Fカタカナ追うT付Tby酔うRIME.
< 1442784698 321121 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it doesn't run on Windows, because Termios
< 1442784702 896362 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :鋼の錬金術師
< 1442784716 717604 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just typed "hagane" and it suggested that completion.
< 1442784718 946201 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is awesome.
< 1442784726 110443 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's beautiful.
< 1442784736 884579 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :S1: Registries are 64-bit... things that store integers, floating point, characters, or whatever else you think up
< 1442784740 221391 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :You do, of course, know what 鋼の錬金術師 means.
< 1442784740 750346 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: That implementation may not; it would be possible to make a different implementation for Windows though
< 1442784750 730076 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Of course
< 1442784753 410152 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: not at all. google translating it.
< 1442784766 682039 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even know what I'm looking at
< 1442784777 439698 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92AA5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: Program symbols in general, I presume
< 1442784787 936720 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :NB: it gives you the English title instead of a literal translation of the Japanese title.
< 1442784788 419304 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made the feat for Dungeons&Dragons game it requires Open Minded, but taking this new feat and permanently losing a spell slot to earn more skill points. How many skill points would be the fair amount (in exchange for a feat and spell slot)? Currently I wrote 6 + slot level.
< 1442784795 279613 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just see a box with 4 zeroes. My font doesn't support it xD
< 1442784798 52697 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Open Minded gives you 5 skill points)
< 1442784798 956020 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: ha ha ha!
< 1442784819 215734 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :S1: Program symbols in general what, you presume?
< 1442784855 279118 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92AA5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: What you call registries seem to be... containers for program symbols
< 1442784865 295832 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92AA5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: like variables, functions, constants
< 1442784871 432794 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :S1: Basically, yes.
< 1442784889 103569 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a python programmer, so I don't understand low-level stuff very well xD
< 1442784894 533955 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92AA5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :lel
< 1442784904 149988 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you should learn the low-level stuff too
< 1442784939 872656 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92AA5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Knowing about low-level stuff can save you from making things too complicated once in a while
< 1442785080 103317 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92AA5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gotta go. I have a very important thing to finish until months end. See ya
< 1442785098 710182 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92AA5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de QUIT :Quit: We are the revolutionaries
< 1442785105 724007 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know how to play a Dungeons&Dragons game?
< 1442785170 460785 :APic!apic@apic.name JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442785183 140965 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I add a function to dump the contents of TaurusVM to a file?
< 1442785193 28566 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly make it an instruction?
< 1442785217 333369 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you find it useful for debugging or to make save file then you might do so
< 1442785239 574787 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :night
< 1442785277 100461 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442785511 730306 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1442785727 731627 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I don't know what I want to do though xD
< 1442785763 459979 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could, in theory, make a DUMP and a RETRIEVE instruction, which dump the VM's content to a file and get it from the file, respectively
< 1442786443 834024 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: hi
< 1442786452 291131 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi
< 1442786467 681792 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm writing example programs for Thube ("TOO-bee")
< 1442786503 768659 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES! YEEEEEESSSSSSSS
< 1442786518 265509 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I figuerd it out
< 1442786545 422370 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :First of all, boily was right, ttf doesn't work well anymore
< 1442786553 239613 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has to be an otf
< 1442786592 748290 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Second, I have to enlarge the font to 320 pixels tall, THEN vectorize it
< 1442786600 751738 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that kkeps it pixelated
< 1442786700 493583 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But this process is still much faster than the Flash-web-app -> fonforge to correct errors process
< 1442786721 10698 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :happy to kkep your font working!
< 1442786732 368073 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: DECONSTRUCTOR CHICKEN
< 1442786768 665371 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So now I can add any alphabet in unicode to my font, rather than just those supported by a web app from 2006
< 1442786806 695416 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…
< 1442786894 677345 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Thube14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44291&oldid=44233 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+1298) 10Examples
< 1442786983 158192 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: i forgot to tell you that there's already a language called "Thubi", with the exact same pronunciation.
< 1442786993 475555 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Thube14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44292&oldid=44291 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+6) 10Fixed code (forgot some spaces)
< 1442786996 217484 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(hi tswett)
< 1442787005 954460 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Awesome! More confusion!
< 1442787096 739282 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This is the article for the programming language Thubi. Not to be confused with the programming language Thubi."
< 1442787180 233536 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: not same spelling hth
< 1442787231 142191 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh
< 1442787323 880115 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :does Thube involve tubes twh and possibly give a bilingual pun
< 1442787402 415305 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442787429 676959 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Ohio.
< 1442787455 467910 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Thue is a norwegian surname with pretentious Th spelling; tube is a word in norwegian and english, although the meanings are slightly different but overlapping.)
< 1442787498 256986 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Thube14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44293&oldid=44292 5* 03Orenwatson 5* (+34) 10biguated it
< 1442787515 242914 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the norwegian word means mostly a container, not the other english meanings.  i guess it was borrowed.
< 1442787549 998882 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Thube14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44294&oldid=44293 5* 03Orenwatson 5* (+2) 10corrected it
< 1442787554 721294 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :given it was patented in the US
< 1442787558 584346 :mauris_!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
< 1442787588 432301 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. The spec for Thubi isn't very well written.
< 1442787592 29227 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :when you correct something incorrectly, you have rrected it
< 1442787632 385450 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rrected comes from Latin rrectare, whence also rekt comes.
< 1442787727 472664 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :related by indo-european roots to the germanic English word "wreck"
< 1442787777 314871 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Thube14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44295&oldid=44294 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+1375) 10Badly-done Syntax documentation (next step: Libraries)
< 1442787804 102028 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: Oh. Sorry. Didn't realize you edited it
< 1442787863 144235 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Thube14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44296&oldid=44295 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+70) 10Example of subprograms
< 1442788090 425917 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :all I did was add a biguation
< 1442788129 761118 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :such bigotry
< 1442788146 676282 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you had added it to the other page, it would have been a beguation.
< 1442788152 353362 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such hypothetical begotry.
< 1442788164 335703 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :look what you've begotten
< 1442788164 513629 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth
< 1442788180 553175 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I haven't forgotten.
< 1442788187 841208 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't begat anyone (uh, hopefully, anyway)
< 1442788244 383125 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bigots beget bogus bogeymen
< 1442788267 721520 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's let bygones be bygones, and begone.
< 1442788348 928671 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Thube14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44297&oldid=44296 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+616) 10Three libraries (stdio, fileio, socket)
< 1442788407 51464 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um...
< 1442788423 752030 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yah
< 1442788428 792781 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You people are even weirder than my IRL friends.
< 1442788430 772682 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay!
< 1442788449 731523 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lololol obviously
< 1442788483 916152 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay!
< 1442788498 763742 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Thube14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44298&oldid=44297 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+7) 10oerjan should probably read this.
< 1442788563 357845 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY
< 1442788596 606415 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :except those biguation things should normally be at the top
< 1442788636 953904 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should be
< 1442788639 628787 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shall I move it?
< 1442788674 469393 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll do it and get the formatting right
< 1442788723 900950 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Thube14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44299&oldid=44298 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+5) 10fmt, placement
< 1442788869 133602 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Template:ToBeConfused14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=44300 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+50) 10Created Template
< 1442788906 541471 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Thube14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44301&oldid=44299 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (-18) 10Made biguation template
< 1442788958 454516 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Template:ToBeConfused14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44302&oldid=44300 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+5) 10Fixed template
< 1442788977 500079 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Template:ToBeConfused14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44303&oldid=44302 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+4) 10Still fixing it
< 1442788994 932876 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There we go!
< 1442789030 591032 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Template:ToBeConfused14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44304&oldid=44303 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (-4) 10Removed possibly extraneous spaces
< 1442789043 461884 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1442789044 135170 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done
< 1442789048 602652 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07StackStacks14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44305&oldid=41842 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+5) 10fmt, placement
< 1442789066 172982 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I made your thing at the top into a template
< 1442789147 565970 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Template:Derivative14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=44306 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+50) 10Created Template
< 1442789169 257697 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Template:Derivative14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44307&oldid=44306 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (-2) 10Corrected bold to italics
< 1442789199 755378 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Thube14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44308&oldid=44301 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+20) 10Derivative template
< 1442789224 273970 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Template:Derivative14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44309&oldid=44307 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+1) 10Fixed the link
< 1442789235 805487 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There
< 1442789239 853462 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think we needed that
< 1442789254 485524 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now "YetAnotherDerivative" perhaps?
< 1442789281 779840 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you forgot periods hth
< 1442789301 514015 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh right
< 1442789304 331968 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll go add them
< 1442789333 986982 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure about that Derivative template.
< 1442789380 647891 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Redcode14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44310&oldid=39363 5* 0368.255.6.120 5* (+1925) 10
< 1442789462 985030 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Is it possible to make a template content conditional on whether a certain argument is passed to it?
< 1442789546 947388 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I could make it so if an argument 2 is given to the Derivative template, it says "This language is a derivative of [[{{{1}}}]] that {{{2}}}." and if it doesn't, it just says "This language is a derivative of [[{{{1}}}]]"?
< 1442789550 263862 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably, but i don't know that much templates
< 1442789558 832612 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think MediaWiki supports such thing
< 1442789569 125386 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you probably know
< 1442789589 353164 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Redcode14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44311&oldid=44310 5* 0368.255.6.120 5* (+1) 10
< 1442789622 751171 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: let me read scrollback
< 1442789633 103512 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: the normal way to do that is with #if but it isn't implemented
< 1442789635 590204 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is an eso way too
< 1442789640 209944 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, i'mma add Canadian Sylabic
< 1442789641 152149 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION seems to be built upside down today: nose runs, feet smell
< 1442789661 725094 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: look at the history of template:qif on Wikipedia (although note that you can't use that code directly because copyright)
< 1442789728 83778 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: basically, the upshot is a) it's possible, b) it's not /supposed/ to be possible without the ParserFunctions extension, but c) MediaWiki has a higher computational class than most people realies
< 1442789730 769039 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*realise
< 1442789740 75064 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah
< 1442789748 193615 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'll just leave the Derivative Template as-is
< 1442789767 387566 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, we have ParserFunctions installed
< 1442789768 505806 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it really needs to explain what it does. That's what the immediately following paragraph is for xD
< 1442789769 575459 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :way to ruin the fun
< 1442789777 530156 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: use #if:, then
< 1442789789 437420 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :{{#if:|a|b}} is equivalent to b, {{#if:anything|a|b}} is equivalent to a
< 1442789796 785660 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that should be enough information to make the template you want
< 1442789800 124576 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll remember that for if I aver want to do that
< 1442789808 60063 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :
< 1442789845 360644 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Template:Derivative14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44312&oldid=44309 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+1) 10Added a period
< 1442789892 81498 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Template:ToBeConfused14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44313&oldid=44304 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+1) 10Added a period
< 1442790112 160938 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth
< 1442790217 794074 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just realized that as far as I've been told, I have never encountered a girl on this channel
< 1442790230 469172 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then again, there are no girls on the internet
< 1442790470 483179 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has happened.  i think there are at least two here now.
< 1442790537 381919 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there might be more who choose not to publicize it.
< 1442790569 351510 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are still most likely a small fraction here.
< 1442790573 401337 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Sinatra14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=44314 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+118) 10Marked account as dead
< 1442790600 392153 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course
< 1442790669 464178 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User talk:Virgolang14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=44315 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+207) 10To IRC!
< 1442790735 803914 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehhhhh the "there are no girls on the internet" mantra is pretty gross and 4channy
< 1442790806 351135 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mauris: All men on the internet are men. All women on the internet are men. All little girls on the internet are FBI agents. Male ones.
< 1442790809 406022 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i never really did "figure it out" as they say, like    there is very blatant evidence to the contrary, no matter how narrow you take "the internet"
< 1442790825 781982 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, 4chan is no longer in power; it's now 8chan
< 1442790831 685450 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Pronounced "Infinity Chan")
< 1442790862 842243 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay i've managed to completely miss the existence of 8chan
< 1442790875 345718 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The main thing is, a lot of these spaces are rather uncomfortable for women (could go into it but suffice it to say: things conspire to make them feel unwelcome) so not many are here and those who are, don't like advertizing it much.
< 1442790889 78294 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think that's an issue *here in particular*, but it happens on IRC, sadly.
< 1442790906 551823 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hear they took 4chan's awful mindset and made it even more terrible & sexist & racist, congratulations 8chan
< 1442790976 913090 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'd say "there are no girls on the Internet" generally isn't a good thing to say.
< 1442790981 992043 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1442791006 488602 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mauris: yo that "yoneda lemma" method for proving types equivalent was pretty neat
< 1442791027 199038 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are a lot of girls on Facebook
< 1442791033 536545 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is, isn't it!
< 1442791036 797131 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, it's probably not a huge deal.
< 1442791037 917844 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe the amount of use is approx. equal, but some communities on the Internet are exceptionally gendered.
< 1442791050 99095 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i have a vague feeling that it may be a bit under the carpet to actually _prove_ it...
< 1442791075 986077 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, how so?
< 1442791132 395705 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Math++14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44316&oldid=44290 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (+114) 10
< 1442791173 397923 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i should shut up until i've actually seen the proof (in haskell context)
< 1442791268 227585 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the record, if it's the thing i asked on SO, it was limited to "proving a type is isomorphic to () if you Yoneda it around a billion times"
< 1442791317 884556 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :to show that there's only one value in it. but it probably extends to other type equivalences
< 1442791396 812424 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mauris: well it's also pretty easy to use it to show e.g. forall a. a -> a -> a ~ Bool, i think
< 1442791527 296126 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :first, that's equivalent to forall a. (Bool -> a) -> a
< 1442791535 790039 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :then, the lemma.
< 1442791624 230997 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm in fact, you get forall a. a -> a -> f a ~ f Bool
< 1442791723 125299 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Functor f)
< 1442791918 532819 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know answer of my question relating to the Dungeons&Dragons game?
< 1442791943 576960 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the part of the lemma i feel awkward about is showing that the map from f b  to forall a. (b -> a) -> f a  is onto.
< 1442791996 344918 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems like it would require a deeper result about the parametricity of f
< 1442792063 640681 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Extra Slot is another feat though
< 1442792250 967652 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know a few things about Yoneda lemma, not a lot
< 1442793106 936809 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1442793901 863978 :sc00fy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1442794354 417720 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm back
< 1442795642 961053 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Major change #1 in Zodiac Lisp: AFAICT, the function call cannot be another SExp. In LIZP (or whatever I call it), this will be possible:
< 1442795680 664782 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :((if (= op 'sub') - +) 1 2 3 4 5)
< 1442795822 575049 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
< 1442796055 403963 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still like the idea of adjectives for OO...
< 1442796084 441274 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps an adjective called "fat" in a language that makes you deal with memory?
< 1442796160 123737 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :person = class(){__init__ = function(object self, short age){short self.age = age}}
< 1442796168 290612 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm unconfortable with - taking more than two arguments
< 1442796194 760315 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if you create "person" with the "fat" descriptor, then the "short"s become "long"s
< 1442796203 142439 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: Subtraction is just adding the inverse
< 1442796225 642555 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Think of (- 1 2 3 4 5) as (+ 1 -2 -3 -4 -5)
< 1442796232 53568 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes but
< 1442796243 168902 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know what makes ME uncomfortable?
< 1442796249 270964 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Multiple-argument /bit shifts/
< 1442796260 844094 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(<< 16 2) is OK
< 1442796269 749 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But (<< 16 2 3)!? WTF!?
< 1442796285 924980 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does that mean?
< 1442796310 934850 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :<< is the bitwise left shift, at least in python
< 1442796322 722721 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure in most languages that support it
< 1442796389 894435 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: Or do you not know what bitshift is? xD
< 1442796451 672132 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :so (<< 16 2 3) is like   (16 << 2) << 3   in c?
< 1442796473 793822 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it must be
< 1442796487 966037 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, that's the only interpretation I can think of
< 1442796501 463068 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Either that or 16 << (2 << 3)
< 1442796508 79590 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But probably the first one
< 1442796811 265090 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: I'm trying to make The λ-Calculus easier to understand by inventing λ-Arithmetic, for people to start with. It's part of the ZWG's "Elementary School CS" project. Do you have any ideas?
< 1442796825 849063 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is zwg?
< 1442796846 575637 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zodiac Working Group
< 1442796895 216340 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a group I started attempting to make the products of a tendency towards Esolangs useful and more widespread
< 1442796916 479379 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would make them less eso-, wouldn't it?
< 1442796929 99088 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example, actual, useful programming languages that are nothing like what normal programming languages are
< 1442796940 924680 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: Yes, but such is the cost of bettering humanity through the esoteric
< 1442796974 705530 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The first attempt at the aforementioned type of language was Stare, for which the jury is still out on whether it's a useful thing)
< 1442797005 90327 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The goal is to create more Perls and Haskells for the world)
< 1442797085 454165 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So do you have any suggestions for λ-Arithmetic?
< 1442797123 778620 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not good at inventing things
< 1442797135 278044 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you understand the λ-Calculus?
< 1442797138 124945 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I barely do
< 1442797155 869604 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok that doesn't sound like a great starting point for inventing a new branch of it
< 1442797200 176222 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know
< 1442797201 124871 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD
< 1442797204 417062 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm learning about it though
< 1442797258 594553 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :why did you say "more Perls and Haskells"?
< 1442797268 258054 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean they're really different
< 1442797290 602938 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because they're so different, but they have their uses.
< 1442797304 881834 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :AND they help expand the minds of programmers, get them to think in different ways
< 1442797362 790808 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Programmers are smart, but not smart enough. The goal of the ZWG is to get programmers so smart that we become telepathic and can use our infinite glorious knowledge to become gods and rule over the universe with an iron fist as a massive collective wait what?
< 1442797380 876680 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You saw nothing.
< 1442797421 920096 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :that escalated quickly
< 1442797430 332796 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :err... nothing escalated quickly
< 1442797443 100349 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good.
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< 1442798501 896074 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to make yet another website documenting all of the math...
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< 1442799115 897269 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But my "All of the Math" website would be targetted at people with a genuine interest in mathematics, as opposed to those who just need to get their homework done so they can pass
< 1442799295 872129 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Math++14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44317&oldid=44316 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (+113) 10
< 1442799331 512695 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: what do you mean by λ-Arithmetic?
< 1442799369 30989 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: I was just making things up xD. I was wondering if it was possible to create a simpler λ-calculus that need not be TC, but would be a good way to start learning about it
< 1442799391 981693 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The same way it's easier to figure out normal Calculi if you already understand how to add
< 1442799546 463978 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lambda calculus isn't really related to differential calculus, though.
< 1442799598 891474 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :The word "calculus" in "lambda calculus" means "collection of symbol manipulation rules".
< 1442799629 884866 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: I know, but that doesn't mean there isn't a much simpler thing that one could think of as the "arithmetic" of λness, though I suppose arithmetic wouldn't be the proper word for it
< 1442799651 208432 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That doesn't mean there is, either, of course
< 1442799653 570500 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :first order lambda calc?
< 1442799666 657916 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about last order lambda calculus? xD
< 1442799675 342660 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've given up on λ-arithmetic
< 1442799679 314054 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I'm remember that name
< 1442799728 146561 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If, someday, I happen to be good with λ-calculus and want to help others understand it too (and they don't already), I might make a paper or a book called "λ-arithmetic" just as a pun
< 1442799755 882838 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
< 1442799790 746636 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I might've said this before, but I'm saying it now because I don't think I did)
< 1442799810 313908 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I first checked my school district's requirements to graduate, I was a /little/ angry
< 1442799819 942754 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://worrydream.com/AlligatorEggs/
< 1442799820 298459 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you may try non-Church encoding of arithmetics in \lambda calculus
< 1442799832 975897 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You need 4 credits Social Studies and English
< 1442799849 444662 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But only 3 in math and 3 (or maybe less) in science
< 1442799866 270367 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And thus, I was like "OK school district, what the FUCK are you doing"
< 1442799895 798224 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then, in my Algebra II class, the teacher was talking about how some people hit a ceiling on their ability to comprehend math.
< 1442799898 484484 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I realized
< 1442799901 865708 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not a problem
< 1442799904 833555 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I always hated english but had difficulty articulating that
< 1442799913 634993 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD
< 1442799918 863204 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The problem is that they require so much english and Social Studies.
< 1442799944 223890 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :People don't necessarily need Math and Science, but others don't necessarily need English and Social Studies
< 1442799984 74628 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I decided you shouldn't be required to take more math, because then some people would never graduate because they hit a ceiling on their ability to comprehend abstract mathematical concepts
< 1442800019 265044 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should be able to graduate on a fixed number of credits from /any/ class with some low minimums on how many can be from each subject
< 1442800029 543408 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you graduated yet?
< 1442800033 237495 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's how civilization dies
< 1442800036 899112 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope
< 1442800069 114068 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That way, people who are great at writing but suck at math don't hit a ceiling, and people who are great at math but not so much at writing could greaduate on math credits
< 1442800090 34324 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: You couldn't get away with /no/ SS and English, but you also couldn't get away wiht /no/ math and science
< 1442800130 350350 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And there will always be people who are good at math and science and enjoy it, so the idea that if we don't require as much then no one at all will understand it doesn't make sense
< 1442800144 41228 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :by that reasoning, why are we forcing people to take their first grade math classes?
< 1442800152 660128 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :we have calculators 
< 1442800161 351722 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :we don't need to be able to sum
< 1442800167 983741 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tradition
< 1442800174 694789 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: Because no one who doesn't have some serious issue hits the ceiling at first grade math
< 1442800179 923768 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It still help to know how sum works, even if you can do it by calculator
< 1442800192 829047 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :but children hit their ceilings
< 1442800217 778224 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a BIG difference between having trouble at first grade math and being mentally unable to understand differential calculus
< 1442800220 76300 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For simple sums I don't use the calculator, it is easy enough without
< 1442800220 627491 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :brett victor says we don't need as much analytic math because direct simulation can get many results that matter to us
< 1442800221 882859 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1442800225 330828 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: no there isn't
< 1442800241 538622 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :calculus is easy
< 1442800257 67013 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :conceptually
< 1442800260 148677 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesthiswork: For you and me it is (well, I haven't gotten there yet, but it should be)
< 1442800292 511845 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything that's taught in school classes is easy
< 1442800306 675274 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps for you
< 1442800314 391624 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, for the most part, for me
< 1442800327 284280 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm good at learning, bad at showing I did it on homework)
< 1442800345 68008 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :being easy is the reason they're teaching it in school classes
< 1442800371 218149 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1442800382 826423 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've always wanted to create a YouTube lecture series that teaches math.
< 1442800394 411978 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I work as agricultural labor, all my coworkers can understand what a derivative is even if they don't know how that matches to written formulas.
< 1442800399 718242 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not all of them are good at easy; the art class is difficult, I dropped it.
< 1442800424 227570 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: I want to see a video that works from arithmetic to calculus in pure mathematics
< 1442800426 889658 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No analogies
< 1442800477 252428 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then I hate to burst your bubble--there are gonna be analogies everywhere.
< 1442800478 170179 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just a short part of the video that defines some primitive symbols, then uses those symbols to define more complex things, and works up to extreme complexity
< 1442800481 28771 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no matter how much calculus you know, you'll never become the suppository of all wisdom
< 1442800491 372235 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-- Tony Abbot
< 1442800495 62522 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: In your video if you do it?
< 1442800496 969301 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's fine
< 1442800499 221624 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :analogies are the difficult part
< 1442800503 747643 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't need you to do it personally xD
< 1442800506 738795 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, you're talking about something else.
< 1442800517 678560 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are the part that takes the most effort to learn 
< 1442800524 127045 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: Let's assume that people having trouble with calc is the same as people having trouble wiht multiplication.
< 1442800525 714574 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think for every concept, I'd have three things: the intuition behind the concept, the definition of the concept, and a bunch of examples.
< 1442800535 769501 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok let's
< 1442800538 813636 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, of course, an explanation of how these all relate to each other.
< 1442800549 983059 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I figure my target audience is bright adults who just happen to have never learned this stuff.
< 1442800553 713658 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I would want is more of the books, the problem is they make too many videos which mean some things I cannot find in books so well
< 1442800584 872321 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some things are difficult with analogies, some things are difficult without analogies, some things are difficult either way, and some analogies are difficult.
< 1442800590 294741 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, can we agree that an average third grader is mentally incapable of understanding calculus, even if given all the resources needed to understand the things before it?
< 1442800621 752558 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, more generally, that there's a minimum age that some people are capable of understanding some things?
< 1442800635 37334 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :no we can't agree on that
< 1442800646 116455 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: I do not know the answers to those questions, although it may also differ by people, not just age, anyways
< 1442800649 268796 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: On which one?
< 1442800656 344192 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: That's what I meant
< 1442800663 689134 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Keyword: Average
< 1442800687 787251 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Either way I don't know. (Also the first one you mentioned average, not the second one)
< 1442800707 591961 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: In the second one, I said "some people"
< 1442800711 592747 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the point is not age, is that to understand some concepts you need this and this and that
< 1442800716 813080 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but which people?
< 1442800724 362855 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my mom taught middle school math and the big concept that she tried to make sure everyone understood before they moved on was ratios and proportional relationships
< 1442800726 520678 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you need to take this class and that class etc..
< 1442800746 857873 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: You are probably correct.
< 1442800760 802703 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I'm trying to express that people learn at different rates, and though I'm ready for algebra II now, the people in the middle of the bell curve are not
< 1442800773 152156 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Age may have something to do with it possibly, but a lot of other things are more important
< 1442800835 48647 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: Can we agree on what I just said? Some people are prepared to learn things earlier than others?
< 1442800856 953503 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That much I can agree with at least
< 1442800862 123147 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :never
< 1442800894 743638 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera?
< 1442800905 530177 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the tiebreaker
< 1442800920 711608 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Theology is especially difficult though; I have confused well-educated religious people with it a lot
< 1442800936 36142 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah xD
< 1442800937 481567 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: go on
< 1442800967 186145 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So we can agree on that though? Person A might be ready to learn something years before Person B?
< 1442800997 237255 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ssqappubznuzyqcv QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity
< 1442801010 952041 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I have two more axioms to agree on)
< 1442801026 208319 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll just take that as a yes then
< 1442801035 126601 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know how different the human brain was 10000 years ago, but i'm pretty sure they didn't teach multiplication in schools
< 1442801051 655346 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :were they incapable of learning it?
< 1442801083 93199 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: Possibly, but probably not.
< 1442801086 469944 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :10,000 years ago? I'd say probably just about the same.
< 1442801116 968039 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Multiplication is something that I would guess anyone without some serious condition is capable of understanding by third grade
< 1442801129 115062 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But not by the time they're 3, necessarily
< 1442801143 369967 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about learning english?
< 1442801166 53481 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, three year olds understand division much more better than multiplication
< 1442801175 743977 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :my grandma doesn't speak english, and mine isn't that good
< 1442801191 711342 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: What we decide on here will encompass all four major subjects, I assume. We just happen to be focusing on math, as we're all geeks here
< 1442801243 963824 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Proposition #2: Can it be agreed that there are jobs that one can be good at without understanding calculus that AREN'T just manual labor?
< 1442801270 121873 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :they teached me how to play flute
< 1442801277 166413 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i never needed it past that class
< 1442801285 897971 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1442801323 510429 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Programming is one example of prop #2
< 1442801327 527929 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :My dad's job is definitely a highly skilled occupation, and I don't think he remembers how calculus works.
< 1442801334 622036 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Proposition #3: Can it be agreed that, though there is most certainly a link, one can be very far to the right on a bell curve in one subject but average or below in another
< 1442801356 162241 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesthiswork: Usually, yes. Unless you're at NASA. Then all bets are off.
< 1442801397 364162 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That's the final proposition, BTW)
< 1442801442 972775 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm bored waiting, so let's assume the answer is yes.
< 1442801453 634449 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem isn't that
< 1442801500 712259 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't understand that the point of schools is to teach everyone the basics of various subjects
< 1442801505 741089 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :the *basics*
< 1442801571 686539 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Proposition 1: Some people are ready to learn things earlier than others
< 1442801572 156853 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Proposition 2: You can get a good job without understanding Advanced Calculus or knowing the hidden meaning of Shakespear or what the Magna Carta was
< 1442801572 334808 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Proposition 3: One can be good at one subject and average or bad at another
< 1442801584 195987 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are those all agreeable to you, izabera zzo38 and doesthiswork?
< 1442801596 470734 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :To me they are, yes
< 1442801621 88761 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But izabera even said that isn't the point
< 1442801659 802800 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :True.
< 1442801673 377654 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My argument is partially that Calculus isn't necessarily the basics
< 1442801696 866346 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depending on who you are
< 1442801700 835557 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesthiswork?
< 1442801752 390062 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Property 1: The average student takes Calculus in their senior year
< 1442801752 705959 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Property 2: Some people are below average
< 1442801771 411116 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Not going to ask for agreement on those because those are pretty much facts, AFAIK)
< 1442801779 250315 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I'm not really properly participating in the discussion, I'm just taking potshots when it is amusing
< 1442801785 802730 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah
< 1442801786 465940 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1442801812 167812 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no coherent point to make
< 1442801832 180904 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Theorem 1: Some people aren't ready to learn Calculus by their senior year (Property 1+Property 2+Proposition 3)
< 1442801856 357138 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :how old are people in their senior year?
< 1442801880 343608 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no senior year here
< 1442801901 775759 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Corrolary to Theorem 1: Those people can still do well in life (Proposition 2)
< 1442801908 642192 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: 17-18 I believe
< 1442801939 185861 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that's my entire argument
< 1442801949 442564 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Corrolary to Theorem 1 is the best I've got
< 1442801954 469701 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course they can still do well in life
< 1442801966 162832 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what people did in 1500 when calculus didn't exist
< 1442801979 658426 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I don't think izabera was necessarily arguing that every one should be required to take calculus
< 1442802002 672490 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :He was objecting to you drawing the line by difficulty
< 1442802009 690089 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: Well, to be fair, people did well in life when math barely existed back when we were cavemen. You can't do well in life with no understanding of math now.
< 1442802046 196761 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm arguing that Calculus is not necessary if you're not good at calculus because Property 3: People tend to want to do things they're good at
< 1442802073 462771 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm pretty sure that's a thing. Let me leave science for a minute and check what Sociology has to say)
< 1442802126 151870 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, don't go check, that breaks the rules  of discussion.
< 1442802131 662289 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I give up. Don't know where to find documents on that.
< 1442802166 196733 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesthiswork: I'm pretty sure that the rules of Internet Debate are that if you don't check that you're right when you're unsure, you're an idiot and shouldn't be debating
< 1442802190 611567 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No: "if you don't know, make it up".
< 1442802213 662388 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'mma release the first version of my font since I switched away from fontstruct soon
< 1442802286 205357 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In other news, I think I like this format. It seems much more effective a form of arguing to establish a list of propositions and properties and making sure everyone's on the same page prior to starting your argument
< 1442802314 435268 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :THEN making your argument in the form of theorems, lemmas, and conjectures
< 1442802331 178022 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that an conjecture?
< 1442802342 279978 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't like this format as you're not proving anything
< 1442802352 483062 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`olist 1005
< 1442802354 184279 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olist 1005: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly boily nortti
< 1442802368 882257 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't we have this olist days ago?
< 1442802419 167536 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this that manual rss feed again?
< 1442802434 47300 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i must have missed it then...
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< 1442802455 863657 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesthiswork: Why yes it is
< 1442802506 724360 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: I suppose your'e not proving anything, but it seems more clear and concise, and it eliminates the factor of the 2+ parties having completely different view on how this works
< 1442802545 766652 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: hm i suspect evil durkon may have made a mistake killing too many of the maintenance people...
< 1442802548 474456 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could write up a standard for this debate form
< 1442802601 893318 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't remember where the link to the standards site is
< 1442802799 267401 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: i think that's not necessarily what's happening at all.  people aren't _really_ agreeing, they're _tentatively_ agreeing in order to continue the discussion.  that's because the propositions you pose are not either obviously true or false, nor do we have the skills to easily discern which it is.
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< 1442802824 744139 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Oh :/
< 1442802848 757554 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well alternatively, it might be a good way to cheat at arguing xD
< 1442802940 587949 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so your conclusion is that less credits in each category should be required, right?
< 1442803047 938882 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesthiswork: My conclusion is similar to that. It's that, though you should be required to get a certain amount of credits AND you should be required to get a minimum number of credits in each subject, the minimum in each subject should be lower, and you should have the freedom to choose what you're best at for additional credits
< 1442803103 575483 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So basically, instead of 3 in math and 4 in english, perhaps 2 in math and 2 in english, but have the same number of require credits total. That frees people to focus more on what they're good at and doesn't put someone who simply isn't ready to comprehend the mysteries of calculus into a calculus class
< 1442803133 445738 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to make up my own geometric system. Anyone have any ideas for axioms I could use?
< 1442803175 96501 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if i suck at math/english/science/geography/history but 'm good at something that's not taught in schools?
< 1442803188 397234 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :like playing pokemon
< 1442803190 516848 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :あ
< 1442803193 782350 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :can i get credits for that?
< 1442803230 598067 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :only on the internet
< 1442803241 545443 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the argument for lowering each requirement is that more is unnecessary?
< 1442803271 277250 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the argument for requiring a certain amount of credits total?
< 1442803323 861773 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: It has to be something that you can actually reasonably get by on in life
< 1442803328 553037 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm probably wrong
< 1442803342 589317 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This argument was mostly a channel for me to think about it
< 1442803364 390911 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So
< 1442803367 475854 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Esoteric Geometry
< 1442803368 242291 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ZH4E8GG9vwm3OelIxjmnyYvjxAOwxGMTEr2ON5tWeSw/edit?usp=sharing
< 1442803382 230433 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, can i get credits for plowing a field?
< 1442803427 610604 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which one of you is currently in the doc?
< 1442803440 724728 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i opened the link
< 1442803512 77198 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1442803618 339423 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :why did we move from an irc chat to chat in a google document?
< 1442803679 742652 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :beacuse cloud computing, internet of thingies, somethingsomething.io
< 1442803767 645939 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\ is right
< 1442803882 588537 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's a dimension?
< 1442803925 328873 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is is like a parallel universe where women are men and men are women
< 1442804002 111435 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: In geometry... a dimension... normal geometry is 2D or sometimes 3D.
< 1442804024 137060 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what is it?
< 1442804029 24996 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've tried to do this before, but we wound up with a bunch of left triangle bullshit. I'm hoping to avoid that this time
< 1442804064 395622 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDream
< 1442804113 278809 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: A dimension is, essentially, a series of (n-1)-dimensional spaces (where n is the number of dimensions in question) along a line that is positioned a right angle to all other dimensions
< 1442804115 21267 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess?
< 1442804184 81166 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're using the word you're defining in the definition
< 1442804200 187778 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a bunch of other undefined terms
< 1442804207 558045 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: It's recursively defined
< 1442804209 499580 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD
< 1442804227 601359 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I forgot a base case
< 1442804237 263721 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well
< 1442804238 784516 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :look, this has been done before
< 1442804239 272144 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^c
< 1442804247 211714 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course it has been
< 1442804260 22983 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It never comes out as elegant as traditional geometry, but it works
< 1442804262 510876 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suggest you to try to read some past work before trying to reinvent everything
< 1442804273 792465 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fair enough
< 1442804275 775805 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's not elegant?
< 1442804296 403127 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :People trying to invent their own geometry
< 1442804309 162129 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I imagine it never makes much sense
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< 1442804316 781326 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it still technically works
< 1442804379 612654 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: Do you know of any good sources I could go to to find papers on irregular axiomatic systems in geometry?
< 1442804563 374431 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :we had a course about this, it was called "introduction to mathematic thinking"
< 1442804599 336730 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was more of something that brings students from different schools to a common starting point
< 1442804611 390382 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they did stuff in hyperbolic geometry
< 1442804620 447772 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a English document of "Hina-Di" format? Right now I cannot find any English one nor is the Japanese one accessible
< 1442804634 777409 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :and euclid and proving simple theorems etc...
< 1442804657 972542 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's not real need to add buzzwords to make it sound complex because it really isn't
< 1442804687 914048 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/not/no/
< 1442804704 129552 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :you define your set of rules, then play according to them
< 1442804797 343265 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's something called taxicab geometry, it's basically discrete geometry
< 1442804849 372287 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fun thing is that squares are also circles and the diagonal of a square is 2x its side, etc...
< 1442805050 304366 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it possible to make CSS rules that select based on other CSS rules? I want to make a rule that selects on "text-decoration: blink" and animates such elements. I also want to disable all CSS animations that I have not defined myself
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< 1442805647 899 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I don't think so
< 1442805671 139233 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would also want to be able to selectively disable other kind of CSS rules
< 1442805671 406591 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you can look for css with a user script and then replace it with other css though
< 1442805823 823126 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I finally figured out the full incantations and rituals necessary to convert a .bdf font into a .otf font with no blurriness or rounded edges
< 1442805851 391157 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does it mean to release a font?
< 1442805864 514290 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean what happens then?  you stop improving it?
< 1442805883 684498 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It means I upload that version to my sebsite
< 1442805900 183764 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will keep working on it until I get tired of doing so
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< 1442805911 461558 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/sebsite/website/
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< 1442807133 682418 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :⦀⦁⦂⦃⦄⦅⦆⦇⦈⦉⦊⦋⦌⦍⦎⦏⦐⦑⦒⦓⦔⦕⦖⦗⦘⦙⦚
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< 1442810167 624471 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What other programming languages does OASYS Assembler resemble? I invented a program "OASYS Assembler" for an existing VM but I do not know what other program language it can be said to resemble? It is stack-based but does not have such stack operations as DUP and DROP and SWAP and so on, and unlike Forth the variable address must be pushed first before the value is pushed
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< 1442811479 475627 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What would be a good way to implement a non-stateless lexer-building library/API?
< 1442811485 44165 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it even possible?
< 1442811501 556491 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how you meant exactly
< 1442811606 1155 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Well, to make a lexer is simple
< 1442811648 874616 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You just go through the source, matching regexes at the beginning until you run out of code (and moving the "beginning" so it starts after the last token ends)
< 1442811654 622065 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But then you encounter an issue:
< 1442811663 40066 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :x+(-y)
< 1442811689 166505 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you're lexing an arithmetical expression, you hit the issue where - can mean subtraction OR a negative number
< 1442811706 641883 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I manage a small library that handles lexing for users in a simple way
< 1442811718 207686 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I don't know how to implement stated lexing
< 1442811720 718996 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any ideas?
< 1442811745 624822 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could do that after lexing I think?
< 1442811765 901805 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or else you must tell what it is based on the previous token
< 1442811832 865320 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah
< 1442811834 629781 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That might work
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< 1442815171 613713 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugh
< 1442815187 363404 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Python isn't recognizing the λ character in my regexes OR as a print function
< 1442815212 124767 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I've tried the obvious workarounds (making python unicode, using chr(0x03BB), etc)
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< 1442818938 41268 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would like to see the concept of "even" and "odd" expanded to the Complex Numbers
< 1442818963 635214 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or at least the ones where a and b are integers (I forgot their name)
< 1442819092 502291 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so tl;dr of the whole font fiasco: it is apparently very hard to turn a bitmap into a bunch of straight lines forming a square around each pixel. And, once you've done that, Microsoft Cleartype can't handle turning a square one pixel on a side into one pixel, so you have to include a bitmap showing it how to do it. 
< 1442819167 459856 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Am I like, the only person on earth who wants to have a method to do raster -> vector -> raster losslessly?
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< 1442819593 660087 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the bright side, I now have Hiragana: むめもゃやゅゆょよらりるれろゎわゐゑをんゔ
< 1442819673 310699 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, OCR is still considered hard
< 1442819682 220447 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially with low resolution or high noise
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< 1442820108 408246 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfBBVIoW-68&feature=youtu.be
< 1442820376 108117 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would rather you just used bitmap fonts directly though
< 1442820399 124548 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Therefore you don't need to do raster->vector->raster
< 1442820426 866919 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be nice if windows supported that but it doesn't
< 1442820501 242261 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Windows does support bitmap fonts, last time I checked it can but it uses its own format that is not compatible with UNIX
< 1442820577 581525 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In particular, I can't seem to create a .fon file with unicode in it
< 1442820611 675826 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe that format doesn't support Unicode; you need to use your own encodings
< 1442820620 730626 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another thing to try is turn off Cleartype
< 1442820878 908079 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I've actually figured out mostly a solution for this problem.
< 1442820893 336388 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the fact that it is necessary at all is stupid
< 1442821005 187122 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: oh! so will you add four thousand kanji too?
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< 1442821037 30314 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: or ten thousand korean syllables. that's probably easier to generate.
< 1442821101 262798 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.orenwatson.be/bdf2otf.htm
< 1442821129 344261 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the convoluted process. I've put it online so I can remember it after I finish drawing katakana
< 1442821259 91645 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I plan on doing at least the 2000 Joyo kanji eventually
< 1442821399 276950 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I don't plan on doing korean unless I can figure out ow to automate it
< 1442821870 379878 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: um, why couldn't you automate it? they're made of letters you just have to paste together. 
< 1442821895 27208 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, 2000 kanji plus extras? wow, great
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< 1442821977 809906 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't forget the common punctuation for Japanese too, like the full stop, comma, quotation marks, etc
< 1442822101 681916 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :good point
< 1442822177 835980 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :luckily there's not many of them, and they're relatively easy to draw
< 1442822182 314663 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so essentially I'll be working up to it being a viable alternative to GNU unifont that isn't fuck-ugly
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< 1442822221 822929 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hij_arcane!
< 1442822400 302288 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh, I can't see the font because of some caching stuff
< 1442822450 809362 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :try refreshing a bunch oif times
< 1442822457 367706 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying, yes
< 1442822472 517474 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could be a client-side problem
< 1442822590 792810 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, glagolitic? seriously? what next, will you be adding old phoenician?
< 1442822607 525769 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still don't see the font though
< 1442822656 605352 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I think the problem may be that only new versions of firefox have support for the css I'm using
< 1442822699 522964 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll make a second one with different css
< 1442822701 35936 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: yes, maybe the problem is that the browser won't show this type of font from the web
< 1442822707 69847 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? why a second one?
< 1442822710 913598 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :put both of them into the same css
< 1442822715 222262 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they fall back
< 1442822721 875829 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously, web development best practice
< 1442822727 605387 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't make different versions for different browsers
< 1442822799 696651 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can put multiple fallback font names to the font-face property
< 1442822805 914632 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How is this?
< 1442822810 528442 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just changed it
< 1442822861 948523 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't see it yet, but I suspect a client-side problem
< 1442822868 253938 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think newer versions of firefox require url("blah") format(opentype)
< 1442822894 608252 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would they do that? 
< 1442822947 437984 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno but it wasn;'t working on my win7 firefox withou ti
< 1442822948 760676 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me try with Chrome
< 1442823003 846533 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't get it to work, argh
< 1442823009 110816 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll try at home
< 1442823018 847079 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaaah I think I've found an error in a maths book
< 1442823024 33909 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks anyway
< 1442823025 640381 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do I do now
< 1442823045 145786 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: check existing errata, if it's not there, file bug report
< 1442823071 715700 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: sadly, lots of publishers don't care an ounce about supporting their already sold books with errata, 
< 1442823074 813595 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but a few are better.
< 1442823075 143852 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I cannot find any errata
< 1442823104 612514 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The Foundation of Mathematics by Ian Stewart and David Tall, Second Edition, Oxford University Press)
< 1442823165 201094 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: look at the beginning and end of the book for possible instructions on where to report bugs, failing that, just write to the publisher. you may want to buffer bug reports and send all ones for the same book together though.
< 1442823219 194952 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: cannot find anywhere to report bugs
< 1442823224 758149 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The publisher over the authors?
< 1442823234 10193 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I'm a slow and easily distracted reader
< 1442823481 433526 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I'm not sure. If you know the authors in person, it's better to send to them. Otherwise, I'm not sure. 
< 1442823495 218468 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not
< 1442823500 341750 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover might
< 1442823511 163452 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(he goes to the university where at least one of them teaches, I believe)
< 1442823601 921007 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1442823650 36828 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does anyone else have a copy of this book to see if it is in fact an error?
< 1442823681 903216 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, there are two errors I have seen on page 96
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< 1442823718 696065 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have that book.
< 1442823739 604606 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have read on a few pages, in case there's an explanation later, right?
< 1442823793 758074 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It gives an example of a function "A = all subsets of {0,2,4}, B = N, f(x) = the smallest element of x"
< 1442823802 615536 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is not defined for x = {}
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< 1442823860 11773 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It defines a function as "A function f from A to B is a rule that assigns to each a in A a unique element f(a) in B."
< 1442824049 621934 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe they just forgot to include the word 'non-empty' :P
< 1442824070 167386 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ashl: which is still an error!
< 1442824229 318176 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The other error on the page is it defines the domain of the factorial function as the positive reals
< 1442824252 47474 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was the question? how to report an erratum?
< 1442824260 172380 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes
< 1442824275 689608 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, whether these are errors first
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< 1442824746 192392 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the first one, yes; for the factorial one, depends how they define it
< 1442824857 578739 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :They don't define factorial, anywhere
< 1442825149 644322 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you can define factorial on the positive real numbers
< 1442825175 732481 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i expect they probably meant positive integers
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< 1442826226 376813 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I think I'll start putting up image-based previews as well from now on
< 1442826454 356799 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.orenwatson.be/fontdemo.png
< 1442827442 797977 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you know your representations are faithful
< 1442827506 734905 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what representations?
< 1442827685 711938 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, this image is basically a screenshot of the page as it appears on my system
< 1442827741 105612 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a sign on a fence I see on my commute that says "Danger" and "Deep excavations". I'm worried about a possible balrog threat.
< 1442827889 880720 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you for example grow up reading/writing the glagolitic writing system? if not, how do you know it is legible
< 1442827912 705364 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The dark fire shall not avail you, Flame of Udûn!
< 1442828004 788545 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ashl: Oh, for that one none still live who grew up writing it. Anyway most of the non-latin, non-Japanese letterforms are based on PDF's from the Unicode foundation
< 1442828068 534163 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only added glagolitic so that I would have the one tht looks like a dick. Ⰴ
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< 1442828417 993561 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: image! great, thanks
< 1442828632 448977 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: for the C64, do you have the left and right diagonally shaded blocks?
< 1442828644 435376 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the hiragana look nice, meanwhile
< 1442828647 738312 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yah
< 1442828715 394437 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh, are they not there right above the hiragana?
< 1442828758 500441 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: no, those are diagonal half blocks
< 1442828794 955518 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh I see. I'll add them
< 1442828802 520630 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: I wonder what that third character in your C64 list is though
< 1442828855 617710 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is a character that looks like that in the c64 charset, not sure what it is supposed to be
< 1442828861 89304 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: I think it's club suit
< 1442828865 840037 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the C64 set
< 1442828877 92765 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PART #esoteric :"WeeChat 0.3.8"
< 1442828878 87631 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's also heart suit, diamond suit, and spade suit characters
< 1442828885 751400 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you already have those in the font
< 1442828974 211594 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I presume you'll add fullwith katakana later
< 1442828995 16691 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yah thats the very next thing
< 1442829174 730167 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :your script letters beyond t are interesting
< 1442829192 645055 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :rip the slant?
< 1442829306 233028 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice, the c64 font has the ugliest pi i've ever seen
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< 1442829998 979012 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mauris: give it a break, they have just an 8x8 cell
< 1442830014 203364 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that on bad quality CRTs where pixels are bleeding into one anothers
< 1442830141 312173 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :with an analog signal and all that
< 1442830280 296258 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that explains the thick vertical strokes and thin hrizontal
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< 1442830585 910770 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: At least it's not doing the NTSC composite-signal artifact color thing.
< 1442830627 891835 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Composite_artifact_colors   that thing
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< 1442831102 241999 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: what? the C64 is a color monitor, it does behave bad for some color combinations
< 1442831144 669181 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, if you have a color monitor that is
< 1442831151 549254 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :we've run it with black and green monitors
< 1442831238 165022 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :god did these people in the 80's even think about what an ASS this would be to write an emulator for?
< 1442831253 366446 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: hehe... probably no
< 1442831279 385745 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: are you trying to emulate the sprite collision detection in the video hardware? the C64 has it too, just like the Atari
< 1442831353 765195 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't wirtten a C64 emulator myself but thisngs like this are scaring me even further from it
< 1442831399 386118 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :really 80's programmers scare me in general
< 1442831428 754884 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :using these hardware-software hack tricks to create effects
< 1442831512 199577 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess cleartype is similar but noone to my knowledge makes color fonts by using 1/3 pixel lines and shit
< 1442831625 325464 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are C64 emulators ready to use, I wouldn't attempt to write a new one.
< 1442831660 522421 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hardware-software hack tricks? Like the unreliable casette drive, which actually works better when emulated, because it reads back the signals it wrote perfectly?
< 1442831730 224427 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Using the casette drive involves the cpu too much for our 2000s tastes. It's like "winmodems".
< 1442831739 172206 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only it's much more well-documented.
< 1442831759 558136 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :People have analyzed and debugged the rom listings a lot, and reproduced everything..
< 1442831806 948155 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do they use an error correcting code on the casette drive then?
< 1442831921 232571 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know the details, luckily.
< 1442831945 146014 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm too young for this.
< 1442832852 717307 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I just mean, the C64 colors are "real", it doesn't do the "let's have a monochrome signal and then turn on the NTSC colorburst so that some bit patterns get interpreted as color" thing, Apple II style. Sure, it's still all smeared up, but anyway.
< 1442832934 573989 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07ReThue14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44318&oldid=42287 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (+53) 10
< 1442832943 67851 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07ReThue14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44320&oldid=44318 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (-53) 10
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< 1442834770 479658 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ah
< 1442834804 125934 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but isn't a monochrome signal with tricks how analog color TV is always supposed to work in first place?
< 1442834896 674289 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, okay, if you like to see it that way. But on the C64 the video hardware is at least thinking about color separately, you've got palettes and all that.
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< 1442835544 300055 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :man no matter what settings I use for Cleartype (other than "off") it always looks blurry. cleartype can go suck a Ⰴ
< 1442835642 461007 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to have a 90-degree pivoted monitor, and even after telling the system about it, any sort of subpixel-based antialiasing just looked sucky on that thing.
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< 1442835845 487704 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :should really be called foggytype
< 1442835985 341527 :fowl!fowl@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-hfvwzvgasvkdabgn PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cataractishtype
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< 1442846588 894056 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only one more day until NEET
< 1442846717 500288 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(strictly speaking it's two more weeks but I have to use up the rest of my vacation)
< 1442846834 645170 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :hkgit03: where do you live?
< 1442846844 446235 :sc00fy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442847049 409995 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: south west Germany
< 1442847073 194429 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know any jobs there seeing as I live in north England
< 1442847077 875924 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And am a student
< 1442847087 967633 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am a student for two more weeks :D
< 1442847101 563440 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then my contract is over
< 1442847161 946706 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's what is called a "dual study". One studies and works alternately)
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< 1442848650 123767 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heading home. See ya o7
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< 1442848766 134179 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Today's abbreviated git commit hash: a1aeaea.
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< 1442848873 983398 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1442848912 799082 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"What are the chances of that!"
< 1442848914 348201 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(1 over 2^28.)
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< 1442849000 284289 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: compare that to how many git commits there are a day
< 1442849516 809641 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell hppavilion[1]  I would like to see the concept of "even" and "odd" expanded to the Complex Numbers <-- it turns out that "divisible by 1+i" is the same as "a+b even" while "divisible by 2" is the same as "a _and_ b even" choose wisely hth
< 1442849516 987559 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1442849608 601482 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm wait is the first right
< 1442849636 969430 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell hppavilion[1] hm wait, not sure about the first two
< 1442849637 147485 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1442849674 528823 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell hppavilion[1] now sure again hth
< 1442849674 706968 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1442851163 256295 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you limit the speed when you're copying a file?
< 1442851171 451026 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean like in c
< 1442851181 391469 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you sleep for a while after each read and write?
< 1442851195 808223 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :c: always the speed limit
< 1442851283 124080 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I don't think that izabera meant c as in the speed of light
< 1442851329 916074 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :c the programming language <.<
< 1442851362 652751 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course it doesn't have to be c, i'm just asking for the technique
< 1442851459 304724 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: you're supposed to groan not explain hth
< 1442851478 374519 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: why do you need to
< 1442851485 751788 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: my apologies
< 1442851501 577730 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't, i'm just interested in learning how to do it
< 1442851559 814562 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean sleeping between after writing the data can work i think, not sure if it's the standard way or if there's a better way
< 1442851775 493873 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`olist 1006
< 1442851776 316333 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olist 1006: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly boily nortti
< 1442851818 287581 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: I think I've read the source for either wget's or curl's rate limiting (for sockets, not files, but it's pretty much the same), and IIRC it was pretty much just about sleeping.
< 1442851839 384044 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh ok
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< 1442859671 116891 :MDream!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDude
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< 1442860387 882950 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's see, can't the concept of even and odd be extended to most algebraic numbers?
< 1442860511 884685 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I think here's how you do it.
< 1442860548 422016 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, wait.
< 1442860744 660827 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, here's part of it.
< 1442860801 304087 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :If a polynomial's leading coefficient is odd, and the sum of its non-constant coefficients is odd, then its roots have the same parity as its constant coefficient.
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< 1442860968 324598 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :That doesn't quite sound right. A polynomial can have roots that aren't all the same parity.
< 1442860978 891817 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like x^2 - 5x + 6.
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< 1442862276 410596 :Bjarne_!cca9512f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.204.169.81.47 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoosh Hello
< 1442862381 163672 :Bjarne_!cca9512f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.204.169.81.47 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why the heck are all the IRC channels I join so quiet?
< 1442862389 971675 :Bjarne_!cca9512f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.204.169.81.47 PRIVMSG #esoteric :#fsharp is quiet
< 1442862408 911328 :Bjarne_!cca9512f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.204.169.81.47 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and others too
< 1442862546 287378 :Bjarne_!cca9512f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.204.169.81.47 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sigh*
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< 1442862648 51321 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently you joined at the wrong time
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< 1442864688 992756 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a -> b) -> (c -> d)
< 1442864700 81402 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love that about first-class citizens
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< 1442864971 255088 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Wasn't the first time they complained about the lack of talking.
< 1442865102 367135 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Rs14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=44322 5* 0363.232.95.4 5* (+332) 10Created
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< 1442865540 657520 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I would like to see is open-source game engine of the style like Apogee's "Pharaoh's Tomb" and "Arctic Adventure", with four-colour graphics, the unusual (but good) control scheme it uses, similar kind of sound effect, etc but some improvements could also be made such as a level editor, more difficult levels, time limits, and more kind of pieces
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< 1442865826 382492 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :They did even mention a sequel which they never made as far as I can tell. (One about a journey to the center of the Earth)
< 1442866225 122690 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Rs14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44323&oldid=44322 5* 03Kirbyfan64sos 5* (+77) 10
< 1442866381 779023 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Rs14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44324&oldid=44323 5* 0363.232.95.4 5* (+0) 10
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< 1442871740 999269 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : That doesn't quite sound right. A polynomial can have roots that aren't all the same parity. <-- i think you need the polynomial to be irreducible, i.e. not a product of two others
< 1442871768 120702 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :then maybe it works
< 1442871800 744702 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :note that (x^2 - 5x + 6) = (x - 2)*(x - 3)
< 1442871831 994409 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means you get only the product of parities otherwise
< 1442871893 932553 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, i believe there's a concept of roots of polynomials with 1 as leading coefficient being more "integer-like" (i've forgotten the actual term)
< 1442871903 753578 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm
< 1442871924 186982 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algebraic_integer
< 1442872094 181771 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: try figuring out whether w = e^{i 2pi/3} is odd or even. Note that w^2 + w = -1...
< 1442872135 83633 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well by tswett's definition, that's odd...
< 1442872167 753579 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the parity of the constant coefficient
< 1442872177 184650 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :really ... are you looking at x^3-1 or at x^2+x+1?
< 1442872186 888878 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1442872192 614566 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the latter, although in this case it doesn't matter
< 1442872205 572206 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, so two odd numbers no longer add to an even number
< 1442872217 156603 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh
< 1442872221 443740 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even numbers should definitely be closed under addition.
< 1442872231 43558 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :then there may be a problem :P
< 1442872234 65211 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any definition which doesn't satisfy that criterion is wrong.
< 1442872279 731477 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :er but need odd numbers sum to even ones >:)
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< 1442872312 267500 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that example is almost designed to break that, no matter what you choose
< 1442872339 575486 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(because w^2 + w + 1 = 0 has w^2 as a solution too)
< 1442872402 616449 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, right, if the leading coefficient is 1, and the constant term is odd, then the roots must all be odd... right?
< 1442872412 279291 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd think
< 1442872425 835766 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :note i haven't seen this concept defined that i can recall
< 1442872426 13783 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@massages-loud
< 1442872426 13853 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't have any messages
< 1442872433 450037 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :except by you
< 1442872562 388055 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :So that would imply that the roots of w^2 + w + 1 are all odd.
< 1442872572 990603 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let w = exp(0 :+ 2*pi/3) in (w^2 + w + 1, w^4 + w^2 + 1) --checking
< 1442872574 635735 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : (0.0 :+ 3.3306690738754696e-16,4.440892098500626e-16 :+ 5.551115123125783e-16)
< 1442872579 629601 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :But by inspection, you can tell that the sum of the roots is -1 (since the w coefficient is 1), and there are two roots.
< 1442872605 481146 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm right that's another way
< 1442872659 329565 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which would seem to imply that the sum of two odd numbers can now be odd.
< 1442872671 703880 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'm not sure I actually want to assign a parity to w at all.
< 1442872682 306476 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tricky
< 1442872688 303831 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :The polynomial w^2 + w + 1 = 0 has no solutions modulo 2.
< 1442872730 217858 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1442872755 210657 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-93.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What extension does Esolangs use for the better editing window?
< 1442872776 95005 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps we should assign parity in exactly those situations where, modulo 2, the polynomial factors as x^a (x - 1)^b.
< 1442872810 554080 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which certainly excludes most polynomials.
< 1442872843 265167 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'd also want the degree to be a + b, to ensure that the leading x term doesn't vanish modulo 2.
< 1442872879 597840 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what to do in the case where a and b are both positive.
< 1442872918 809046 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-93.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: You seem to be qualified to answer these things
< 1442872940 822116 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: i _seem_, but i'm not.
< 1442872953 944439 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ask ais523 or fizzie 
< 1442873005 649445 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-93.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Are you on?
< 1442873010 142845 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :This definition of parity may or may not work.
< 1442873146 950620 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, the two roots of x^2 + x + 2 add to -1. (a = 1, b = 1)
< 1442873157 239351 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think this effectively entails that w is half of an odd number, because 2w satisfies the polynomial (2w)^2 + 2(2w) + 4 = 0, which, modulo 2, taking 2w as a primitive variable, is simply (2w)^2.
< 1442873167 135174 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did I say odd?
< 1442873191 746069 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: erm...
< 1442873214 250781 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: a and b are the exponents introduced by tswett above
< 1442873217 170941 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :not the roots
< 1442873238 641998 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's apparently half of an even number, without actually being an odd number.
< 1442873252 517741 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-93.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1442873292 538950 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll hazard a guess twice any number is even hth
< 1442873307 30299 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about twice half an odd number?
< 1442873314 731062 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :like 2 and a half
< 1442873334 324035 :sc00fy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1442873339 140662 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :by "number" i mean a number given by an integral polynomial with odd leading coefficient
< 1442873342 237360 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :why guess? if p(x) of degree n has root x, then 2^n p(x/2) has root 2x... and many even coefficients
< 1442873344 162 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah.
< 1442873372 864833 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in fact, 2^n p(x/2) = x^n (mod 2))
< 1442873373 267679 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :to double it, you just double the second coefficient, quadruple the third, etc. afaics
< 1442873394 461044 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks like int-e proved it.
< 1442873396 94444 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which leaves x^n = 0 (mod 2)
< 1442873399 157520 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right.
< 1442873399 501550 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-93.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442873403 549832 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-93.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry
< 1442873405 727715 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-93.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Classes ended
< 1442873405 905662 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Boom. Twice any algebraic integer is even.
< 1442873416 206631 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: YOU WILL BE SORRY
< 1442873443 640070 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, what happens when you substitute (x+1) for x? What happens to the coefficients and whatnot?
< 1442873444 577099 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-93.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: That was like that trope in TV and Movies where they're too lazy to invent a joke so they JUST include the punchine
< 1442873457 814880 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-93.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie?
< 1442873485 71085 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does this always end up flipping the parity?
< 1442873496 220016 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442873530 254006 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: was it you i @told about 1 + i as divisor, that's then sort of intermediate for gaussian integers
< 1442873532 454856 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-93.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: fizzie isn't answering. Anyone else I could ask?
< 1442873543 659270 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: wasn't me, I'm pretty sure.
< 1442873547 489724 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-93.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a special page on what extensions the wiki uses or something?
< 1442873556 491102 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-93.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I think that was me
< 1442873558 348479 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: ais523 is the "wikipedia expert" in my mind, although he may be a bit dated
< 1442873568 349192 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], one of these http://esolangs.org/wiki/Special:SpecialPages
< 1442873568 576886 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-93.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah
< 1442873576 164306 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-93.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I tried that
< 1442873581 272072 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-93.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But not very hard
< 1442873595 130324 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Special:Version
< 1442873598 625998 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: well then, note that (1 + i)(1 - i) = 2 so 1 + i divides 2 in the gaussians, so you get at least two possible definitions of "even" there
< 1442873653 118446 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm what's the polynomial for 1 +- i
< 1442873668 144663 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's see. For x^2 + bx + c, if b = 0 and c = 0, the roots are even; if b = 0 and c = 1, the roots are odd; if b = 1 and c = 0, one root is odd and the other is even; if b = 1 and c = 1, no parity is assigned.
< 1442873691 351281 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: x^2 - 2x + 2
< 1442873699 640072 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :x^2 - 2x + 2.
< 1442873704 985311 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I typed it before int-e hit enter; hth.
< 1442873710 964197 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442873718 965243 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i _meant_ it as a rhetorical question, but thanks :P
< 1442873721 881637 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :So the roots are even.
< 1442873724 665698 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :os
< 1442873776 462821 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: almost trivially, if p(x) = x^n (mod 2) then p(x+1) = (x+1)^n (mod 2)
< 1442873783 712153 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1442873787 873232 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-93.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh
< 1442873792 226849 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: doink, you're right.
< 1442873796 781925 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-93.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks like it doesn't use an extension
< 1442873799 862010 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-93.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it's CSS?
< 1442873804 166758 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm liking this definition I came up with.
< 1442873813 285038 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], what are you trying to unravel
< 1442873837 363526 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442873839 354481 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: i think substituting x+1 for x will not change the leading coefficient and will flip the parity of the constant one, but the rest might depend.
< 1442873841 256668 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-93.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I just set up a (second) wiki locally, and when I created the main page, the editor was different. And the differntness was ugly
< 1442873852 623404 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-93.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*differentness
< 1442873950 265611 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, do we need to limit this definition to algebraic integers?
< 1442874057 282271 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm thinking we can't apply it to all algebraic numbers.
< 1442874069 220020 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm wait not sure of my last statement
< 1442874076 564611 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, maybe we can.
< 1442874092 487466 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have already restricted it to those whose minimal polynomials factor nicely modulo 2... haven't you
< 1442874104 130108 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1442874121 310821 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :So the definition doesn't apply to 2x - 1 = 0 by virtue of the fact that the polynomial modulo 2, which is 1, doesn't have enough factors.
< 1442874134 57551 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :The definition automatically fails for all even leading coefficients.
< 1442874144 653761 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: i think it's somewhat analogous to in the rational numbers, where you cannot sensibly assign evenness to p/q if q is even
< 1442874153 429957 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but might if q is odd
< 1442874171 839233 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :But for all rational numbers irreducibly written as p/q, if q is odd, then it gets the parity of p.
< 1442874177 640940 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :If q is even, it gets no parity.
< 1442874178 749862 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1442874237 609428 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: obviously the person i _really_ would ask is elliott, but he hasn't been in the channel since May.
< 1442874245 813289 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-93.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh :/
< 1442874256 853973 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-93.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm making yet another "ALL THE MATHS" website
< 1442874259 987781 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :He hasn't? Tdnh.
< 1442874276 156603 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-93.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am, at least for now or in part, using a MediaWiki for it
< 1442874293 384338 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :he did sort of imply to me that he might stop visiting before that, though.
< 1442874385 623922 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :תדנה
< 1442874391 793360 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and accidentally showed up on the wiki in july or so
< 1442874452 252328 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: ok how does google translate know that means tdnh
< 1442874479 860752 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode תדנה
< 1442874480 754472 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+05EA HEBREW LETTER TAV] [U+05D3 HEBREW LETTER DALET] [U+05E0 HEBREW LETTER NUN] [U+05D4 HEBREW LETTER HE]
< 1442874490 5880 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: by the fact that those are Hebrew letters which have Latin equivalents?
< 1442874529 427070 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-93.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Quit: WALRUS MAAAAAAAAAAAAN
< 1442874551 169635 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: but hebrew is the _one_ language where i wouldn't expect interpretation as acronym...
< 1442874580 496164 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it doesn't include the vowels
< 1442874639 612939 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well, what did you expect GT to produce?
< 1442874679 619022 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :some actual word
< 1442874691 544465 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :as you get if you remove any single of those letters
< 1442874699 739751 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: ok, I believe your notion of even and odd numbers works out (i.e. addition and multiplication work out as expected) ... following along the lines of proving that the algebraic numbers are closed under addition and multiplication.
< 1442874766 367272 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell hppavilion[1] wiki css is in one of the pages listed here if you want to copy it http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AAllPages&from=&to=&namespace=8
< 1442874766 545452 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1442874794 298378 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so we get a funny subring of the algebraic numbers that enjoy parity.
< 1442874806 928798 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : The definition automatically fails for all even leading coefficients. <-- hm are you sure?  you could say the _first_ even coefficient counts as leading after (mod 2)...
< 1442874832 32582 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: but the definition explicitely forbade that
< 1442874859 777694 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :er *odd
< 1442874882 997567 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well, as an afterthought at least)
< 1442874946 764415 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ftr, I'm using: "z is even if it is the root of a polynomial p in Z[x] of degree n with p(x) = x^n (mod 2); z is odd if z+1 is even"
< 1442874985 625204 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you can restrict the first part to minimal polynomials; it makes no difference)
< 1442875059 275862 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: oh you're saying that these form a subring?
< 1442875069 978746 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :of both odds and evens
< 1442875129 371617 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose it's just the evens + integers
< 1442875136 822853 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the evens are themselves a ring
< 1442875144 895194 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(without unity)
< 1442875184 36675 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes, I'm saying that.
< 1442875283 102697 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and 1 +- i are a examples of even numbers that are _not_ twice an algebraic integer.
< 1442875286 795541 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*-a
< 1442875329 188621 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suspect with higher degree you can get things that aren't 1+i times one, either
< 1442875351 744897 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :x^n + 2(x^(n-1) + ... + 1) = 0, perhaps
< 1442875383 28195 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm
< 1442875390 747329 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :x^2 - 2 = 0
< 1442875420 434646 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so sqrt(2) is in there
< 1442875435 645361 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: the definition says a + b has to equal the degree.
< 1442875451 227705 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which I guess is effectively the same as saying the leading coefficient has to be odd.
< 1442875526 679040 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :sqrt(2) is even? I was expecting it to have no parity.
< 1442875564 32625 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: um i think int-e assumed either a or b is 0, for what he said
< 1442875573 8685 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the parity if neither is 0
< 1442875660 558136 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, that's why I mentioned x^2 + x + 2 earlier; the two roots add to an odd number...
< 1442875681 870536 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they shouldn't be assigned a parity
< 1442875705 128833 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm
< 1442875846 57653 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :My definition claimed that for x^2 + x + 2, one root is even and the other is odd.
< 1442875851 402818 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell hppavilion[1] i suspect it might be this extension which was listed on our version page https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:WikiEditor
< 1442875851 580731 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1442875873 885635 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that doesn't make much sense, since the roots are complex conjugates.
< 1442875896 201172 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :unsensible
< 1442875898 227343 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe they're in a quantum superposition of even and odd, the two of them being entangled at opposite parities hth?
< 1442875928 265315 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :very good. now you're thinking with quantum.
< 1442876016 357228 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom
< 1442876017 447528 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :burma/ask Bike
< 1442876025 183808 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask Bike burma?
< 1442876025 361760 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1442876073 958398 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ask for four more pieces of wisdom and then delete one.
< 1442876088 209926 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom
< 1442876089 544423 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​$1?/$1? ��\(��_o)/��
< 1442876103 570707 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike's away message is disturbing tdnh
< 1442876141 939377 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo: what encoding is that?
< 1442876163 870965 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what happened there...
< 1442876177 469339 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/wisdom
< 1442876178 146365 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :F="$(find wisdom/*"$1"* -type f | shuf -n1)"; echo -n "${F#wisdom/}/" | rnooodl; cat "$F" | rnooodl
< 1442876186 107539 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo wisdom/\$*
< 1442876187 10532 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom/$1?
< 1442876191 3803 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? fnørd
< 1442876191 826714 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fnørd? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1442876200 91502 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` cat wisdom/\$*
< 1442876200 881445 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​$1? ��\(��_o)/��
< 1442876207 584343 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` rm wisdom/\$*
< 1442876209 563718 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1442876241 421992 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`culprits wisdom/\$*
< 1442876243 732068 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1442876252 648991 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` hg log --removed wisdom/'$1?' | grep summary:
< 1442876254 98559 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :summary:      ` rm wisdom/\\$* \ summary:      revert accbc9c5c7ec \ summary:      echo wisdom/* | shuf | head -n 10 | xargs rm \ summary:      revert \ summary:      revert 1 \ summary:      revert \ summary:      for x in wisdom/*; do rev "$x" > "$x"a; mv "$x"a "$x"; done \ summary:      revert \ summary:      revert 1 \ summary:      revert \ summary:      for x in wisdom/*; do rev "$x" > "$x"a; mv "$x"a "$x"; done \ summary:      revert 87c64ef250a0 \ summary:      revert 3 \ summary:      learn $1? \xef\xbf\xbd\xef\xbf\xbd\\(\xef\xbf\xbd\xef\xbf\xbd_o)/\xef\xbf
< 1442876282 577524 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike!
< 1442876294 77100 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: of course that leaves the question whether the subring is the largest possible one...
< 1442876300 807358 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: go on, @ask about it ;-)
< 1442876306 76033 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aleph null hth.
< 1442876340 809604 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: w.r.t. the subset relation, not cardinality
< 1442876359 102183 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not a total order hth.
< 1442876376 37164 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except I guess "largest" makes perfect sense for a partial order.
< 1442876416 385239 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i was young i used to confuse "burma" and "bursa" tdnh
< 1442876434 713660 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :myansar
< 1442876498 988043 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, sleep
< 1442876622 802880 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: BACKTRACK CHICKEN
< 1442876656 541281 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442876694 150054 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm-a-back!
< 1442876788 611002 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not answering what? 
< 1442876950 296333 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], wiki css is in one of the pages listed here if you want to copy it http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AAllPages&from=&to=&namespace=8
< 1442876958 631663 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I heard
< 1442877076 60000 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was actually thinking of bumping the version from 1.22 to 1.25 real soon now; but today was unexpectedly busy.
< 1442877143 341306 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: i suspect it was that extension i saw in your linked Version page
< 1442877186 315816 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sounded like hppavilion[1] installed it but it looked like shit so he was trying to get our formatting as well
< 1442877206 263455 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just in the edit window
< 1442877222 373749 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's currently kind of ugly. Squares buttons. Bleck.
< 1442877236 527079 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1442877278 381743 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: do you have the same skin (vector iirc)?
< 1442877321 861221 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I believe so. fizzie: Do you know if the "vector" skin has been modified from its default version?
< 1442877478 401533 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Phantom_Hoover: Looks like the page where Vector.css is stored doesn't contain the whole thing
< 1442877500 155665 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :you tried common.css?
< 1442877543 310438 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe so
< 1442877552 764822 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vector.css is a BIG(-ish) folder
< 1442877557 743439 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/.css//
< 1442877572 837581 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: do you have the same preferences settings on both wikis?
< 1442877605 915203 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I'm not sure. I don't think I ever changed preferences on either one, but there might be irregular default preferences on esolangs
< 1442877625 354077 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :check the editing preferences tab, i guess
< 1442877679 702114 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh
< 1442877695 282359 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks like there's some weird stuff going on with the way the main page looks
< 1442877825 396239 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meh
< 1442877831 935521 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Esolangs is Public Domain
< 1442877898 903342 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm considering using some of the site's content (e.g. the main page's layout and formatting) on my own (CC-BY-SA) wiki
< 1442877931 627886 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I will
< 1442878015 5972 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: As far as I know, LocalSettings.php is the only modified file we have.
< 1442878020 73049 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The rest is all in the database.
< 1442878022 401280 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh
< 1442878036 486940 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But there's some CSS tweakery that has been done.
< 1442878114 919943 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :As for the skin, LocalSettings.php seems to have $wgVectorUseSimpleSearch = true; set.
< 1442878127 177912 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's about it.
< 1442878355 527816 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps it's just a result of gradual upgrade since 2005 or thereabouts
< 1442878415 474344 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so now we have a nice upgraded style, while all the new design are crap, pretty much like the web in general hth
< 1442878430 190565 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*is
< 1442878456 264437 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll probably break it by updating to 1.25.
< 1442878462 74469 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn.
< 1442878496 12450 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's too plausible given everything else that's been broken^Wredesigned this year
< 1442879345 823376 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sigh* what happened to microsoft's monthly updates
< 1442879373 517162 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially the part where they only happened once a month.
< 1442879567 540964 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
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< 1442879601 32124 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1442880912 789857 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
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< 1442880980 524993 :izabera!~izabera@ec2-52-25-138-238.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442881017 338927 :izabera!~izabera@ec2-52-25-138-238.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com QUIT :Changing host
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< 1442881245 457894 :pdxleif!~pdxleif@ec2-54-68-166-10.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442881307 535733 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello
< 1442881538 788387 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :helo
< 1442882031 844029 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PART #esoteric :"WeeChat 1.3"
< 1442882111 121149 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442882161 827041 :mihow!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Quit: mihow
< 1442882375 831098 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442883343 699023 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode β
< 1442883344 530921 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+03B2 GREEK SMALL LETTER BETA]
< 1442883348 657437 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION gasps.
< 1442883396 520020 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@172.56.17.15 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442883469 902970 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there many esoteric languages that use biological metaphors like p-systems and membrane computing? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P_system
< 1442883736 818967 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There may be a few biologicals ones
< 1442883808 925819 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: You can change the CSS for your account on MediaWiki-based sites, it tell you how on the preferences menu
< 1442883822 278533 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you can do that to change that if you do not like the style
< 1442883995 207570 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use Cologne Blue with additional CSS rules to remove the sidebar and several other things, and making section numbers green
< 1442884386 850182 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu
< 1442884562 993591 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Math++14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44325&oldid=44317 5* 03DinoD123 5* (+8) 10/* Pseudorandom Values */ Made less ambiguous and ugly
< 1442885000 495168 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Math++14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44326&oldid=44325 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (+52) 10/* Pseudorandom Values */
< 1442885716 551308 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :should I add Bopomofo?
< 1442885751 27899 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you are going to add other Chinese stuff, then yes you should unless you have something else to add first
< 1442885875 76166 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's mostly used in Taiwan, but it is certainly in use.
< 1442886180 590188 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok I just finished katakana and I'm adding bopomofo. When I finish bopomofo I'll upload a new font file and demo
< 1442886209 320073 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you add hiragana yet?
< 1442886245 336716 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, yesterday. http://www.orenwatson.be/fontdemo.png
< 1442886262 198796 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know if the use of delve ability in Magic: the Gathering permits the use of mana abilities even if you pay entirely by delve?
< 1442886269 840130 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: Ah, OK
< 1442886277 701537 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also do you know if any cards have both delve and split-second?
< 1442886499 649650 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442887376 899128 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Y'know, I thought costs were paid *before* spells went on the stack.
< 1442887402 287169 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they arent???
< 1442887485 668677 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, nope. Putting a spell on the stack is the *first* step in casting it.
< 1442887555 276705 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you specify various things, including the spell's total cost and how you intend to pay it—but Delve isn't taken into account in this part.
< 1442887608 160432 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you specify specify targets.
< 1442887623 634878 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phyrexian mana is taken into account before you figure out total cost, so I would think that if you pay entirely by life then you cannot use mana abilities at this time but delve is different than that.
< 1442887629 289697 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then... you determine the total cost again? That doesn't make sense.
< 1442887711 911249 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :In any case, it goes on the stack in step 601.2a, then you calculate cost stuff in step 601.2b, then you determine the total cost in step 601.2f, then you may or may not be able to activate mana abilities in 601.2g, then you pay the cost in 601.2h.
< 1442887712 127099 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1442887728 888317 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :The wording of Delve is: "For each generic mana in this spell’s total cost, you may exile a card from your graveyard rather than pay that mana."
< 1442887772 573657 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :The same clause also states: "The delve ability isn’t an additional or alternative cost and applies only after the total cost of the spell with delve is determined. "
< 1442887817 580864 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :All of this implies that Delve does *not* alter the "total cost"; the "total cost" is just mana, even if you intend to pay it by exiling.
< 1442887846 481683 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :601.2g says that you can activate mana abilities "if the total cost includes a mana payment".
< 1442887862 292558 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, to actually answer zzo38's question...
< 1442887927 74377 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: when you use Delve, you can always activate mana abilities as if you weren't using Delve, because Delve has no effect until after you've had the opportunity to activate mana abilities.
< 1442887955 301815 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, OK, I thought it might
< 1442888029 224788 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, does that mean I can cast an instant between a spell going on the stack and its cost being determined?
< 1442888044 171047 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No
< 1442888055 531896 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't get priority during that time
< 1442888096 13737 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Delve is a static ability that functions while the spell with delve is on the stack. “Delve” means “For each generic mana in this spell’s total cost, you may exile a card from your graveyard rather than pay that mana.” The delve ability isn’t an additional or alternative cost and applies only after the total cost of the spell with delve is determined. 
< 1442888098 244372 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'delve': Delve is a static ability that functions while the spell with delve is on the stack. “Delve” means “For each generic mana in this spell’s total cost, you may exile a card from your graveyard rather than pay that mana.” The delve ability isn’t an additional or alternative cost and applies only after the total cost of the
< 1442888107 105694 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good enough.
< 1442888171 436769 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh by the way.
< 1442888178 735103 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :`loudly Hi djanatyn.
< 1442888179 742798 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​04,09H09,04i04,09 09,04d04,09j09,04a04,09n09,04a04,09t09,04y04,09n09,04.
< 1442888677 933859 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442888787 851363 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :who's swedish here?
< 1442888926 303423 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Funciton14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44327&oldid=42464 5* 03Timwi 5* (+66) 10/* Features */
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< 1442889101 214748 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if someone is
< 1442889266 477520 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need someone to teach me swedish
< 1442889269 683414 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :fast
< 1442889286 728976 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, Vorpal, FireFly, maybe i've forgot some
< 1442889296 559623 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can also do a little swedish in a pinch
< 1442889352 354758 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Funciton14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44328&oldid=44327 5* 03Timwi 5* (+5) 10/* Less-than and shift-left */
< 1442889367 615495 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's rather similar to norwegian)
< 1442889432 211123 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: 99% of swedes know english, i'm sure
< 1442889450 423210 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in case it's for meeting or visiting
< 1442889505 17578 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need to learn swedish for secret reasons
< 1442889525 990091 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :it must be a fully fledged course, not just something that teaches me how to sing the caramelldansen
< 1442889542 771040 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok well i only want to sing the caramelldansen
< 1442889555 164688 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD
< 1442889559 191204 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :it wasn't that big of a secret after all
< 1442889565 171343 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah, you don't need to learn swedish for that, just do it phonetically
< 1442889580 218888 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://translate.google.com/?client=tw-ob#sv/en/caramelldansen
< 1442889599 459573 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :getting the pronunciation right might require some training
< 1442889698 47798 :MoALTz_!~no@78.11.179.104 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442889708 8425 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it means "the caramel dance" hth
< 1442889712 376674 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1442889724 1395 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes sense...
< 1442889773 214145 :MoALTz!~no@78.11.179.104 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1442889778 532301 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc, caramell is the name of the band/artist/etc
< 1442889801 426974 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: http://lyricstranslate.com/en/caramelldansen-caramel-dance.html
< 1442889806 112822 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if they've produced anything else
< 1442889882 396509 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you think about it, learning swedish would simplify so many things
< 1442889885 314691 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :like ikea
< 1442889888 703258 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1442889903 914651 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would be able to go to ikea and know wtf is a poang chair
< 1442889913 112841 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442889927 256598 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's pretty much it
< 1442889930 635075 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1442889931 850432 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: the names are pretty idiosyncratic even in swedish
< 1442889932 737636 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :no other reasons to learn swedish
< 1442889937 300200 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442889938 671068 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd mostly learn that the names have nothing to do with the thing
< 1442889947 591281 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: the most useful languages on the internet are japanese, chinese, swedish, and russian
< 1442889949 322293 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :some of them are actually norwegian placenames
< 1442889957 870337 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also korean
< 1442889967 378429 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm learning something
< 1442889972 116593 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: pong means point
< 1442889975 700721 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1442890005 352031 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would you name a chair like that
< 1442890028 646259 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : I wonder if they've produced anything else <-- wikipedia has a discography hth
< 1442890042 734911 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://translate.google.com/?client=tw-ob#sv/en/caramelldansen
< 1442890045 345390 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1442890047 352505 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrong link
< 1442890049 345903 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.ikea.com/us/en/catalog/products/S79825193/
< 1442890051 352730 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ this
< 1442890072 522334 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sweden appears to produce a lot of pop culture 
< 1442890102 276260 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: what i've heard is that it's because the founder of ikea was dyslectic or something so hated serial numbers, so he choose random memorable words instead
< 1442890112 560828 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh
< 1442890120 600993 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*chose
< 1442890130 329851 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also the Swedish House Mafia
< 1442890155 816647 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess they used up all the meaningful names
< 1442890168 911855 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1442890187 115874 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :the color names look like place names
< 1442890239 517183 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i recall previously mentioned there was an ikea shark plush toy named BLÅHAJ, that was actually perfectly descriptive
< 1442890270 292198 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they're not _all_ meaningless, but most are
< 1442890297 167376 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there some kind of rule about uppercase in swedish?
< 1442890304 415500 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, just ikea
< 1442890334 497335 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think swedish case is pretty much like norwegian, which is pretty much like english but with very slight tweaks
< 1442890339 713027 :bender|!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442890353 85004 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442890367 961279 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does this sound in norwegian?   buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo
< 1442890381 316513 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dansa med os, clappa era hander, yor som vi yor te nagra steg at vanster
< 1442890390 951950 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you'd have to say bøffel instead, naturally.
< 1442890420 153906 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no alternative verb meaning, alas.
< 1442890447 658380 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :swedish has bufflar as both the plural and a verb
< 1442890450 483669 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: i ... think you have some spelling errors, and not just the accents.
< 1442890458 127872 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :buffalobufflar bufflar something something
< 1442890486 839941 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDream
< 1442890546 187114 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok apparently I spelled most of the above wrong. owell
< 1442890568 247501 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1442890589 294704 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey sweden, why is your g pronounced like a y!?!
< 1442890625 905428 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a sound change in front of front vowels.
< 1442890690 912402 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :english has inherited pretty much a similar one with many french words, it just doesn't have the ø
< 1442890732 12877 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :italian also has such a change
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< 1442890735 624416 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Funciton14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44329&oldid=44328 5* 03Timwi 5* (-2) 10/* List encoding grammar */
< 1442890744 288124 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :what change?
< 1442890759 575581 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442890766 207597 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :g being something else than a hard g in front of front vowels like i and e
< 1442890781 350000 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yes
< 1442890789 332785 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :but we use ghi and ghe to make it hard
< 1442890808 526947 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1442890810 464142 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :and gia gio giu to make it soft in front of a o u
< 1442890825 115018 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@24.237.158.6 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442890870 591180 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact my own name had such a change at some point in it's path from greek georgios
< 1442890887 23207 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*its
< 1442890910 746223 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :via swedish göran
< 1442890914 576348 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh does oerjan mean george?
< 1442890918 433322 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1442890924 929306 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it doesn't
< 1442890953 920128 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, same name, just different spelling and pronounciation
< 1442890973 238435 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's _descended_ from george.  and i know there's at least a swedish tradition of referring to St. George as Göran or Örjan
< 1442891058 10308 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sankt_G%C3%B6ran
< 1442891059 935426 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :St George/Gran is the patron saint of Stockholm or something
< 1442891076 587961 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Sankt Göran (Sankt Georg, Sankt Jörgen, Riddar Örjan, Georg den Helige, lat. Sanctus Georgius), "
< 1442891110 206210 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :plenty of variants
< 1442891117 187101 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oho, Jrgen is also the same name
< 1442891154 460755 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds
< 1442891210 812469 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Funciton/Fundamentals14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44330&oldid=34819 5* 03Timwi 5* (+450) 10/* XOR and Shift-left */
< 1442891251 701165 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, time to sleep a bit, it's almost morning
< 1442891255 459353 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442891261 847199 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Funciton/Functions14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44331&oldid=34821 5* 03Timwi 5* (+13) 10
< 1442891281 780927 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :why sleep now, you can sleep tomorrow
< 1442891288 813994 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Funciton/Basic arithmetic14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44332&oldid=24766 5* 03Timwi 5* (+573) 10/* Successor function */ Predecessor function
< 1442891312 531097 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@172.56.17.15 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
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< 1442891343 667418 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Sankt Göran är flitigt använd som symbol i Ryssland, egentligen Moskvas skyddshelgon, och återfinns bland annat i det ryska riksvapnet. Han är även skyddshelgon för England, Portugal, Katalonien, Litauen, Serbien, Montenegro, Georgien, Etiopien, London, Freiburg im Breisgau, Genua, Lod, Barcelona (Sant Jordi), Strumpebandsorden och scoutrörelsen."
< 1442891344 493883 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Funciton/Basic arithmetic14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44333&oldid=44332 5* 03Timwi 5* (-579) 10/* Subtraction, unary minus, absolute value, shift right */ Shift right is now in "Fundamentals"
< 1442891355 388313 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a list of places he's patron saint of
< 1442891383 458790 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Template:Back14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=44334 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+37) 10Created Template
< 1442891407 28829 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: what now
< 1442891420 645699 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Funciton/Basic arithmetic14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44335&oldid=44333 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (-20) 10Set up template
< 1442891432 925856 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Sorry. It's a thing for subpages
< 1442891452 322870 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It says "<- [[{{{1}}}|Back to {{{1}}}]]" (where <- is an actual arrow)
< 1442891463 279610 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, but the whole thing is in bold
< 1442891469 624286 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :we have subpages enabled on the user namespace, but not the main oe
< 1442891471 450011 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*one
< 1442891498 749621 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Funciton/Basic arithmetic14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44336&oldid=44335 5* 03Timwi 5* (+1) 10/* Subtraction, unary minus, absolute value */
< 1442891500 373112 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Funciton/Basic arithmetic is a supgage
< 1442891505 661193 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*subpage
< 1442891510 32748 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or is that called something else?
< 1442891517 755185 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's for whatever Funciton/Basic arithmetic is
< 1442891537 567276 :Froo!~Frooxius@172.56.31.166 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442891542 910605 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean mediawiki has an automatic system for those backlinks, but we haven't enabled it for the main namespace
< 1442891548 240715 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Funciton/Basic arithmetic14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44337&oldid=44336 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (-2) 10Fixed template
< 1442891562 813859 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Oh.
< 1442891564 369109 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um.
< 1442891567 352041 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Awkward
< 1442891591 557049 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm afraid it would break pages we already have (/// anyone) if we did?
< 1442891609 819948 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah right
< 1442891611 54673 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well
< 1442891619 838575 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's useful for if you want to add it manually, I guess
< 1442891627 38905 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just /really/ like templates
< 1442891632 971023 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're /coooooooooooooooool/
< 1442891658 802598 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're a c++ programmer now
< 1442891671 670826 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Me?
< 1442891674 423475 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh
< 1442891675 697825 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Templates
< 1442891677 707725 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course
< 1442891692 568758 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :./wiki/ templates I mean
< 1442891705 972377 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Funciton/Basic arithmetic14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44338&oldid=44337 5* 03Timwi 5* (+26) 10/* Division and modulo */
< 1442891725 433570 :Froox!~Frooxius@172.56.31.186 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
< 1442891763 937939 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :here's a sample of how it works in the user space https://esolangs.org/wiki/User:Zzo38/FurryScript
< 1442891812 251093 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah
< 1442891813 772676 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There it is
< 1442891824 184137 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone should figure out what MediaWiki's computational class is
< 1442891870 618523 :Froo!~Frooxius@172.56.31.166 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
< 1442891877 467496 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only reason why it wouldn't be turing complete is because they have to have resource limits
< 1442891916 946946 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Not semantic mediawiki
< 1442891926 180710 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or ParserFunctiosn
< 1442891944 581475 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ParserFuncitons
< 1442891947 683763 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD
< 1442891947 879266 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know all these technical details about it
< 1442891954 820997 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can barely write a template
< 1442891963 160989 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Funciton/Basic arithmetic14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44339&oldid=44338 5* 03Timwi 5* (-243) 10/* Division and modulo */ update to newest version (with Starkov construct)
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< 1442892167 913838 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are many other user subpages too, not only myself
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< 1442892998 101601 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay!
< 1442893020 879351 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :My λ-calculus lexer works on at least one test case! ("(λx.x)y")
< 1442893086 273109 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone share in my celebration!
< 1442893102 614360 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay!
< 1442893105 520081 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Alone in Valhalla" would be a good name for a philisophical short story...
< 1442893118 115828 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or is it philosphical?
< 1442893122 893681 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it even really matter?
< 1442893146 547493 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, words are just arbitrary patterns of letters (representing sounds) that we apply meaning to
< 1442893172 310230 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And sounds are just the movement of atoms
< 1442893189 465646 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And AFAICT from Relativity, movement is pretty much meaningless...
< 1442893192 439925 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shit
< 1442893211 493306 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm getting all /(phil(i|o)sophical|.*)/ again
< 1442893249 201180 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :the outer ( ) isn't needed
< 1442893257 829925 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: Yes it is
< 1442893267 761544 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't you notice the |.* at the end?
< 1442893284 971071 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did
< 1442893303 891635 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The point was that it is "philisophical" OR "philosophical" OR any other of the infintite possible words we could assign to it
< 1442893312 271149 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh rihg
< 1442893315 818670 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It isn't needed
< 1442893322 653877 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well it makes it more legible to me
< 1442893367 770377 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And isn't that we can understand it all that matters?
< 1442893383 199377 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION goes into another /(phil(i|o)sophical|.*)/ monologue
< 1442893435 196546 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the point is that the target should understand
< 1442893450 657534 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"we" includes both the speaker AND the target
< 1442893461 503455 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The speaker needs to understand what they're saying, too
< 1442893482 42558 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is why babies saying "i luv my mama" is entirely meaningless
< 1442893499 791042 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :BOOM!
< 1442893500 413247 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I TURNED REGEX INTO RUINING BABIES!
< 1442893501 56105 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :assume you have a perfect translation software
< 1442893512 624200 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1442893515 312819 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Funciton/List handling14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44340&oldid=38011 5* 03Timwi 5* (+11126) 10Updates
< 1442893520 67001 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooooh
< 1442893522 1547 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't speak french, your software can
< 1442893525 274441 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Funciton list handling
< 1442893556 7146 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-078-248-074.088.078.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442893564 453560 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :the software translates your sentence, you say it and you don't understand it anymore, but the target does
< 1442893607 222621 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: But you understand what you're saying, assuming you can trust the soft- oooooh
< 1442893615 683458 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So our brains are the software?
< 1442893638 263627 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's a "Planes of Consciousness" argument?
< 1442893657 307993 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 overwrite10 02 5* 03Timwi 5*  10uploaded a new version of "[[02File:Funciton list functions dependency graph.png10]]"
< 1442893658 787670 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where we may be experiencing two entirely different planes of reality?
< 1442893662 59795 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i didn't mean this but it makes sense i think
< 1442893738 437329 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoa
< 1442893752 494031 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"well i didn't mean this but it makes sense i think"
< 1442893766 616422 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In a conversation about whether the speaker has to understand what they're saying
< 1442893831 790841 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :so meta
< 1442893864 788354 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think we just disproved ourselves
< 1442893876 497055 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Not proved ourselves wrong. Disproved ourselves.)
< 1442893958 381842 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Funciton/Functions14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44342&oldid=44331 5* 03Timwi 5* (+151) 10Lazy-evaluated sequences coming up
< 1442894030 111772 :ski!~ski@remote11.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera : hm .. ,
< 1442894133 830510 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p  thankies
< 1442894241 405836 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Funciton/Lazy-evaluated sequences14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=44343 5* 03Timwi 5* (+79171) 10Explanations coming up...
< 1442895085 1678 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've uploaded the new version of my font with katakana. I'm having... issues with bopomofo so they're not in the demo yet
< 1442895126 717367 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you use something like git for your font?
< 1442895146 599053 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t Fun
< 1442895147 823980 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :    Not in scope: data constructor ‘Fun’
< 1442895148 2359 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :    Perhaps you meant one of these:
< 1442895148 2434 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :      variable ‘un’ (imported from Control.Lens),
< 1442895151 333540 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::k Fun
< 1442895152 479293 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: type constructor or class ‘Fun’
< 1442895190 759582 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@24.237.158.6 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1442895216 264480 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: No, I jsut upload it to my website
< 1442895230 783768 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.orenwatson.be/fontdemo.htm
< 1442895255 544877 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: why are things green?
< 1442895292 405009 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: also some of the hiragana are bursting their bounding boxen
< 1442895305 629665 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are the newset characters
< 1442895334 404673 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually it's not just the hiragana
< 1442895335 854647 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's endemic
< 1442895392 987681 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.orenwatson.be/fontdemo.png they don't seem to do that for me?
< 1442895429 159564 :ski!~ski@remote11.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, petscii
< 1442895467 92822 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh shit I forgot I added more petscii chars
< 1442895477 825237 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :for me the top line of every character is replaced with a single-pixel black line
< 1442895493 821204 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :also your hiragana are really cozy even so Oo
< 1442895609 876835 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there added to demo
< 1442895681 174841 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: web font support appears to vary widly between browsers in terms of pixel-perfection
< 1442895713 438398 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1442895731 207561 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and even between versions of the same browser
< 1442895747 431011 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :firefox behaves different on windows versus linux for instance
< 1442895780 270957 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least terminal emulators appear to have much more consistency
< 1442895998 897666 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i'm gonna try to fix the bopomofo so i can add them
< 1442896142 442467 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@172.56.17.63 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1442896160 378556 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :after that, i'll maybe draw the rest of the wide latin and make them not screwed up
< 1442896400 263408 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net
< 1442896514 764417 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Funciton/Lazy-evaluated sequences14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44344&oldid=44343 5* 03Timwi 5* (+3687) 10
< 1442897054 913108 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-txoindkmqejyuhjj JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442897423 416580 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, coppro, I changed the otf file, does this one have less glitches?
< 1442897440 675874 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope, it's the same
< 1442897457 857052 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm...
< 1442897461 168819 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Owell
< 1442897484 927278 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving.
< 1442897679 650766 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least now I know how to make otfs that actually work on other peoples computers
< 1442897855 163050 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are my computers always the special ❄'s?
< 1442898010 201401 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell b_jonas I've added katakana and bopomofo now
< 1442898010 418438 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1442898103 962481 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :'cos I'mma bad ㄇㄈ
< 1442898336 461074 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds
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< 1442899050 597187 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :last day at work
< 1442899150 923010 :bender|!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1442899247 794914 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hkgit03, D: hope you have another job in mind
< 1442899270 599318 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uhm well I am applying of course but got nothing so far
< 1442899273 749590 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'm confident
< 1442899411 924775 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats good, im guessing you are applying for tech jobs
< 1442899524 844970 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :applying for programmer
< 1442899538 629898 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :im looking for one but i live in 'murica but nobody around here will interview high schoolers
< 1442899546 857882 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is that
< 1442899571 182452 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly because of their requirements
< 1442899607 478020 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do they require?
< 1442899608 643003 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the high-paying ones really only accept people that have degrees
< 1442899666 134728 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or internships through the colleges
< 1442899674 106880 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and im not in college yet
< 1442899738 221553 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I won't get the murrican school system very soon
< 1442899794 150899 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is kind of stupid, i practically have the same or better experience than most CS majors
< 1442899863 902960 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1442899888 996744 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know C++?
< 1442899903 305693 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, close to getting a certificate
< 1442899938 302527 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :good
< 1442899963 322726 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++ isn't really used much in school but a lot of companies use it
< 1442899985 531072 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :all im doing to get it is going through the week's material and answering all the questions on the test in one day
< 1442899994 72826 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :then waiting for them to let me take the next test, etc
< 1442900018 930532 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a lot of startups are using Ruby now
< 1442900026 518235 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :egh
< 1442900058 515910 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they accept a lot of college skiddies
< 1442900085 288025 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :millions of lines of terrible code, coming right up
< 1442900086 501883 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ruby and node.js
< 1442900098 812770 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are the main two right now for startups
< 1442900103 351443 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :PHP is slowly slowly dying
< 1442900107 261130 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank god
< 1442900163 426881 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :At work I use C++ and a proprietary language
< 1442900185 471687 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, more like two proprietary languages
< 1442900213 191420 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the C++ is a proprietary dialect
< 1442900224 443768 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :90% of going from mastering C to mastering C++ is memorizing all the different uses for things in std and boost
< 1442900305 203460 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\, robomatter?
< 1442900349 548030 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not
< 1442900384 358732 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no.
< 1442900391 685640 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I work for Soundhound
< 1442900402 472738 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahh
< 1442900413 701711 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we don't do robots. yet.
< 1442900442 302993 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :robomatter is the creator of RobotC which is the fucking worst C like language in existence
< 1442900462 199858 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if someone builds a robot, they could use Houndify to make it voice-activated
< 1442900473 361600 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442900490 519305 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ill explain, robomatter made their own VM and their own C compiler
< 1442900505 109023 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me look up the CPU our robots use
< 1442900510 423117 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i always thought c++ is the worst c like language in existemce
< 1442900550 940632 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly you've never had to figure out what the hell Objective-C++ is supposed to be
< 1442900554 220585 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1] o7
< 1442900576 337713 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haye, hkgit03!
< 1442900587 951236 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf
< 1442900602 391896 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :eaxtly
< 1442900626 996658 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cba look up the model, its some ARM Cortex M3 with only 64k ram and 256k flash
< 1442900640 984717 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see
< 1442900642 696901 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the VM is insane slow
< 1442900661 450699 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-218-160.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
< 1442900699 240449 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :their C compiler is barely ISO compliant
< 1442900740 462109 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :arrays are physical pointers, rather than being their own type and decaying like they usually do in C
< 1442900758 273164 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :decaying?
< 1442900762 187994 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1442900772 268377 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you mean by that
< 1442900780 426786 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hkgit03, say in C you declare a array
< 1442900787 382569 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can use an array's name as if it were a pointer to the first element of the array
< 1442900787 560794 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :char potato[16];
< 1442900803 228564 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442900809 338495 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :himauris
< 1442900824 74124 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can implicitly cast potato as a char*
< 1442900845 702507 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that a cast? I thought it implicitly was nothing but a char*
< 1442900862 50759 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1442900864 112097 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :hioren
< 1442900867 574456 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no because sizeof(potato) is still 16
< 1442900867 989869 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that char potato[16] would be the same as char* potato = (char*)malloc(16);
< 1442900888 610034 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and arrays are allocaed on the stack not the heap
< 1442900898 953052 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait what
< 1442900901 627948 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hkgit03, pretty much but obviously it gets freed as the stack unwinds
< 1442900917 872621 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean the array pointer is on the stack?
< 1442900929 653909 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no the array data is ont he stack
< 1442900933 428453 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no the physical bytes are on the stack
< 1442900940 355425 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what sense does that make
< 1442900951 839048 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well when you want to pass potato to a function
< 1442900952 352100 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cannot get random array access into this context..
< 1442901002 263790 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the stack isn't accessed like a stack in C
< 1442901016 698196 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aren't we talking about the C stack? I thought we were
< 1442901022 903956 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1442901036 347289 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the main issue of their compiler though, if you mess up brackets
< 1442901043 969506 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you get an error on an unrelated line
< 1442901068 592839 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in some cases, a missed semicolon messes up the brackets
< 1442901079 614945 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you get an unrelated error at the bottom of the file
< 1442901085 805453 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hkgit03: of course it's on the stack. that's why it is such a mess to return an array
< 1442901088 807844 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell edwardk I notice you haven't uploaded a new constraints to hackage
< 1442901088 985786 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1442901168 871321 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also there is no linker
< 1442901184 270348 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the linker has been a request for over 5 years now
< 1442901192 591010 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you have to compile the whole program at once?
< 1442901197 852904 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shiiiit
< 1442901219 224662 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, you have to do #include "poop.c"
< 1442901222 241514 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like c++
< 1442901244 778828 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname, xD c++ is the opposite, i feel like i split things into files way too often
< 1442901267 523049 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, yes, you can split into files
< 1442901271 825334 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's it
< 1442901274 461477 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: well yeah, but at least c++ can use namespaces
< 1442901303 526151 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :c++ namespaces are my savior on my latest robot project
< 1442901303 800134 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas here he has to make sure every name is unique throughout the progrem
< 1442901318 757950 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i dont use RobotC
< 1442901344 793883 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is a open-source Free-RTOS based OS for the robots called PROS
< 1442901351 680564 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :its gcc/g++ based
< 1442901357 202469 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is great
< 1442901446 903142 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the typical C equivalent to a namespaced function is a static function
< 1442901447 81061 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :im decent with arm/thumb so inline asm is extremely useful in some cases
< 1442901513 517023 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :until about 2 years ago in RobotC ints were 16 bit and longs were 32 bit
< 1442902078 233703 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnzek-QEc0o
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< 1442902599 188623 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\, i only listen to chiptune
< 1442902658 372611 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no liek Jコア?
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< 1442905369 40247 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: ok
< 1442905502 294411 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: oh great, the web font version works now! I swear I tried it yesterday evening and it didn't yet work.
< 1442905518 869030 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm glad you didn't break it forever
< 1442905836 163630 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah I was doing something wrong before when making the otfs
< 1442905859 844996 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not exacly sure what
< 1442905873 440149 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh good!
< 1442905961 116425 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yeah now there is all the kana and also bopomofo
< 1442906000 41793 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tomorrow I'll add the full wide ascii set and maybe a few kanji 
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< 1442906245 852889 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should also add at leat that one hangul sylable that looks like a stick figure
< 1442906280 831948 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: are you going to auto-generate the ten thousand korean syllables from constituents? you'd just need to draw the letters in a couple of different sizes, the composition tables to drive it, some simple rules to choose the sizes from the letters (from whether there's a final, and from what shape the medial is), and a perl script to drive and compose the bitmaps and write a bdf.
< 1442906298 472063 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: be sure to add the common Japanese punctuation
< 1442906302 223970 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fullwidth I mean
< 1442906362 354047 :edwardk!sid47016@haskell/developer/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan mostly because i'm not very happy with the new forall
< 1442906362 532150 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1442906455 403434 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got the fullwidth Japanese comma and period already done, but I'll wait until I finish the whole group they're in before I add to the demo
< 1442906663 190748 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/tables/rules/ because it's so long the decompositions aren't even listed in the long tables in ICU, but instead decomposed on the fly by the code, implemented in icu/icu/source/common/normalizer2impl.{h,cpp}
< 1442907140 705665 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: sure, I don't mean only the period, but also some of the more tricky ones, like quotation marks, parenthesis, and the rare tilde thingy
< 1442907153 550970 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and whatever else there is
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< 1442908014 956118 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf. configure help says '--enable-stage1-languages[=all]  choose additional languages to build during stage1. Mostly useful for compiler development' 
< 1442908022 751173 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm configuring gdb, not gcc, what the heck is with you?
< 1442908183 567511 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, I'mma upload the font again, because I've finished wide ascii
< 1442908305 349105 :edwardk!sid47016@haskell/developer/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442908366 228987 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: the font only, or also the demo?
< 1442908525 861756 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :updated the demo now
< 1442908541 102229 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at the bottom, wide ascii
< 1442908703 400327 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ
< 1442908740 894239 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, I got answer to my question on #gdb
< 1442908822 613448 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: looks good, they match the normal ascii well
< 1442908838 414550 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :should i also put into the demo page the 12 or so chinese characters included?>
< 1442908849 278731 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not urgent
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< 1442908910 256267 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh, I forgot this. you never know which of "make test" and "make check" do tests. sometimes one of them is a plain error, sometimes one is a nop and the other does tests, and sometimes they run a different set of tests. 
< 1442909202 237163 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's the chinese in the demo.
< 1442909251 858946 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :一丁丂七丄丅丆丈三上下不且世个中串主九了事二人
< 1442909256 436226 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: great
< 1442909296 107451 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: aren't they supposed to be green though?
< 1442909323 37186 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh good point, 
< 1442909338 750369 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I should remove green from the older green ones
< 1442909561 43490 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: I'm missing 日 , 月 , 門 , 口 , which seem quite common, and some more numbers
< 1442909569 320861 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: and the punctuations of course
< 1442909584 206000 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right. punctuation
< 1442909786 246564 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there
< 1442909829 599186 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :々 isn't really punctuation but it's in that range
< 1442909893 426668 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah many common kanji I haven't drawn yet. I'll draw more tomorrow
< 1442910091 488486 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: will you later do two glyphs for the punctuation that changes between left-to-right and right-to-left arabic context, and two glyphs of the Japanese and Chinese punctuation that sometimes changes between horizontal and vertical writing (and sometimes depend on language too)?
< 1442910144 577994 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can do that
< 1442910168 309803 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll put it in my todofile
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< 1442910231 388165 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: in particular, there's a vertial variant of the katakana long vowel sign, and vertical variants of the Japanese full stop and comma that I think might have language-dependent rules, and vertical variants of the Japanese quotation marks
< 1442910265 249678 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: arabic stuff might not be worth because you won't be supporting it with this font, but you are planning to support Japanese text
< 1442910278 200693 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know the detailed rules about these and how common they are, you'll have to look it up
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< 1442910296 544118 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :they might also depend between ltr and rtl vertical columns
< 1442910300 261976 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know
< 1442910311 925961 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the kanji you added look good to me though
< 1442910313 694698 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nicely drawn
< 1442910321 502819 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have to go now
< 1442910333 950902 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in practice I think japanese and chinese simply use fonts with rotated gyphs
< 1442910339 276240 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got some fails from the gdb make check, but I think at least some of them are because I have too old version of libc here
< 1442910341 442286 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :usually called @fontname
< 1442910357 621092 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :04:21 < b_jonas> \oren\: will you later do two glyphs for the punctuation that
< 1442910357 818071 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :                 changes between left-to-right and right-to-left arabic
< 1442910357 996226 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :                 context, and two glyphs of the Japanese and Chinese
< 1442910357 996271 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :                 punctuation that sometimes changes between horizontal and
< 1442910357 996290 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :                 vertical writing (and sometimes depend on language too)?
< 1442910362 310908 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: sure, when you're using software that doesn't have enough support for this kind of stuff
< 1442910371 371769 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :glyph variants and all that
< 1442910375 400230 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shit stupid middle click paste
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< 1442910422 728940 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then you get hard to read Japanese text in Chinese font, or Serbian/Macedonian text in Russian font (I still say those should have been two different SCRIPTS in unicode, not one cyrillic script, but politics overrode that and it's way too late to change now with all the existing corpus)
< 1442910438 772033 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have for exaple @MS Gothic which shows all japanese charatcers sideways
< 1442910475 858424 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you print it normally and then turn the page physically
< 1442910482 380825 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: ouch
< 1442910518 966334 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have to go now
< 1442910524 28546 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye
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< 1442913830 574187 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does the esolang wiki have lemons as logo anyway?
< 1442913834 698402 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never asked that before
< 1442913866 145624 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :hkgit03: they're limes
< 1442913887 59087 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whatever. Why limes?
< 1442914033 209254 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're esoteric limes
< 1442914051 341759 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which means?
< 1442914072 761304 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :you summon the devil when you squeeze them?  idk
< 1442914094 615774 :mihow!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442914096 956266 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the devil is mainstream
< 1442914119 678761 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe the ghost of Winston Churchill
< 1442914165 468142 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you put the limes there
< 1442914182 283525 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, the trilime.
< 1442914189 910128 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what it's called, I believe.
< 1442914211 98403 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So what does it mean?
< 1442914225 417720 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :As I understand it, the matrix of solidity.
< 1442914250 503572 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what
< 1442914345 612428 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's origins have kind of been lost in time.
< 1442914368 912246 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like origins of most esoteric things, I presume
< 1442914377 793321 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That must be why
< 1442914390 709975 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/logs/log/_esoteric/2012-03-19#015027Maharba   some discussion
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< 1442914445 843968 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :blocked by workplace firewall, but I'll read it eventually
< 1442914470 231256 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just as a note of caution, you won't find any answers there, just questions.
< 1442914488 322148 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the "trilime" term is fairly well established, at least.
< 1442914496 607198 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see
< 1442914562 508854 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I once suggested http://zem.fi/~fis/trilime.svg as a replacement, but it wasn't really appreciated.
< 1442914594 776071 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lel
< 1442914624 606028 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah uhm it doesn't raise questions as much as the original trilime
< 1442914650 175843 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you could say that the reasons for the trillime are esoteric
< 1442914671 646042 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what I meant
< 1442914721 837772 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :When life gives you limes, make esolangs.
< 1442914738 753421 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there no backup of the BF Operating System Bootloader?
< 1442914749 595520 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote  When life gives you limes, make esolangs.
< 1442914751 504693 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1255)  When life gives you limes, make esolangs.
< 1442915201 33137 :mbrcknl!sid28171@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xlnzhzuhcjaakdxz JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442915274 335150 :glowcoil!sid3405@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qjinhgffdzykrcik JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442915303 139718 :mihow!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1442915773 839888 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lunchtime. Gotta go
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< 1442916075 111998 :sc00fy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442916235 984779 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-htphibnhkbmrxzgt JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442916494 122908 :mihow!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442916826 105014 :mihow!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1442917139 74443 :sc00fy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1442917695 978795 :mihow!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442918059 14434 :mihow!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1442918059 289729 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442918928 452219 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442918958 921338 :mihow!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442919255 123245 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom
< 1442919256 216937 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ostrich/Ostrich used to be a large middle European empire in frequent conflict with Turkey. After a famine it sort of split into Ostrich/Hungry. Alas its policy of keeping its head in the sand did not get it through the Great War, and with its final attempts to take flight failing, it ended up cut into several pieces.
< 1442919257 843848 :mihow!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
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< 1442919720 392902 :bender|!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1442919901 105917 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442919962 866566 :FireFly!firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom
< 1442919964 77725 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wise/Uninstalling software installed by the Wise Installation Wizard is unwise. It's neither clockwise nor counterclockwise nor otherwise.
< 1442919980 140180 :FireFly!firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom
< 1442919981 243976 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monoid/Monoids are just categories with a single object.
< 1442919993 494578 :FireFly!firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :well at least they are isomorphic
< 1442920356 226201 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? category
< 1442920357 237533 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Categories are just a special case of bicategories.
< 1442920409 915704 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`culprits wisdom/wise
< 1442920411 412389 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan int-e shachaf
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< 1442920474 307856 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bellonder|, FirelloFly, fizziello.
< 1442920730 262491 :FireFly!firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :hoily
< 1442920799 738965 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oil of by.
< 1442920845 358607 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? boily
< 1442920846 238283 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily is monetizing a broterhood scheme with the Guardian of Lachine, apparently involving cookie dealing. He's also a NaniDispenser, a Trigotillectomic Man Eating Chicken and a METARologist. He is seriously lacking in the f-word department.
< 1442920868 518397 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see
< 1442920905 701570 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I use http://www.soloestetica.it/Ingrandimenti5/FA_1813.jpg
< 1442920954 248489 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? fizzie
< 1442920955 257841 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie is not fnord with a monad but the king of #esoteric, see http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/src/fizziecoin.jpg
< 1442920973 869045 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dammit, workplace proxy
< 1442921010 577660 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Content-Type: application/binary
< 1442921017 33135 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not going to be helpful
< 1442921025 469040 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it'll probably just download the file.
< 1442921105 723141 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :hkgit03: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/113389132/Misc/20131230-coin.jpg is a regular image, if that helps. It's not all that exciting to look at, however.
< 1442921132 253992 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guessed that it's an image, thank you.
< 1442921144 60808 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just rant about the workplace proxy in general
< 1442921187 217069 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I assumed it was objecting to the application/binary type, as possibly implied by int-e.
< 1442921205 975585 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's one strict proxy you've got there.
< 1442921216 742743 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The dropbox url works fine
< 1442921236 327291 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And normally, if you use it to browse sites for work purpose, even if they seem to be private, they are not blocked
< 1442921271 971524 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This proxy knows what I'm up to, it has a built-in mind reader which determins my intention and blocks stuff that keeps me from working.
< 1442921287 514426 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly it just has something against codu.org.
< 1442921299 178307 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO it MUST be the mind reader
< 1442921316 664609 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :disbeliever
< 1442921331 333667 :mihow!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442921347 857407 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it has something against codu.org, nothing from that site worked so far iirc -_-
< 1442921361 562477 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Quit: BBL
< 1442921411 940985 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hkgit03: you should try the PDF in the /topic.
< 1442921428 209557 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: EXPANDING CHICKEN
< 1442921434 571001 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did, it worked.
< 1442921459 115172 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember reading that for the first time two years ago. I like it.
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< 1442922110 386842 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 QUIT :Quit: this
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< 1442925881 784445 :age_none!~User@105.210.205.18 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442925948 749950 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I am of the opinion that hppavilion[1] is interpreting the esowiki as performance art
< 1442925953 502691 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which may well be the bast attitude to it
< 1442925966 292550 :mihow!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442926366 584638 :age_none!~User@105.210.205.18 PART :#esoteric
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< 1442927426 758866 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at lest he doesn't post lame languages and write yet another bot, i'm fine
< 1442927633 665625 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :
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< 1442930064 395371 :mihow!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1442930208 492515 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? boxmodel
< 1442930209 418799 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boxmodel is how we figure out how big Taneb's cage is going to be.
< 1442930213 579578 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where the hell did that come from
< 1442930222 103712 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`culprits boxmodel
< 1442930223 363792 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1442930228 328316 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I've forgotten the command
< 1442930231 961708 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that checks wisdom history
< 1442930237 487848 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/wisdom
< 1442930238 80111 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :F="$(find wisdom/*"$1"* -type f | shuf -n1)"; echo -n "${F#wisdom/}/" | rnooodl; cat "$F" | rnooodl
< 1442930254 916216 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/learn
< 1442930255 392792 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/bash \ topic=$(echo "$1" | lowercase | sed 's/^\(an\?\|the\) //;s/s\? .*//') \ echo "$1" >"wisdom/$topic" \ echo "Learned '$topic': $1"
< 1442930917 458396 :mihow!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442931143 839426 :rodgort!~rodgort@105.ip-167-114-152.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
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< 1442931387 425318 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? bicategory
< 1442931388 386575 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bicategories are just categories where composition is only associative up to an isomorphism.
< 1442931409 309085 :rodgort!~rodgort@2607:5300:100:200::160d JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442931793 284609 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :
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< 1442932082 785798 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I think your command was all right. I'm not sure why it didn't work.
< 1442932091 670947 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`culprits boxmodel
< 1442932092 453841 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/log/24f05857a418/wisdom/boxmodel
< 1442932092 925894 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1442932095 673491 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1442932109 728321 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's not the bug where HackEgo does a "No output." on the first command after a whlie
< 1442932111 492601 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*while
< 1442932117 445038 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/culprits
< 1442932118 222435 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hg log --removed "$1" | grep summary: | awk '{print substr($2,2,length($2)-2)}' | sed "s/.$/\x0F&/" | xargs
< 1442932127 836796 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it probably needs manual wisdom/.
< 1442932130 431538 :mihow!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442932137 860133 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since it's a generic culpritter.
< 1442932146 580435 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`culprits wisdom/boxmodel
< 1442932148 213767 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e ais523 coppro
< 1442932161 792823 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha
< 1442932164 197856 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember changing it though
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< 1442932167 382746 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's bett... except, I don't see those other people in the file log.
< 1442932167 916793 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 overwrite10 02 5* 03Timwi 5*  10uploaded a new version of "[[02File:Funciton list functions dependency graph.png10]]": Why am I wasting so much time on this?
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< 1442932184 284260 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, perhaps it got affected by my script to delete random entries from wisdom/
< 1442932189 480341 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which was buggy and I'm not sure what it did instead
< 1442932210 205823 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, apparently, and then int-e did a revert.
< 1442932263 339547 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems that it doesn't show up in the web browser's "file log" because it lacks the equivalent of --removed.
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< 1442932330 438306 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :just list the version history of the ATTIC virtual directory
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< 1442933201 700815 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: the webfont version of your fontdemo page now works from the work machine too. so yes, probably just an error in the previous version.
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< 1442934241 313953 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wow!
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< 1442934685 560741 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Erdős discrepancy problem solved, it seems. see https://gowers.wordpress.com/2015/09/20/edp28-problem-solved-by-terence-tao/
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< 1442935363 308566 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: what is the Erdos discrepancy problem?
< 1442935406 122342 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: see that blog post by Gowers, it should tell
< 1442935412 637126 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1442935604 525362 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Funciton/Lazy-evaluated sequences14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44346&oldid=44344 5* 03Timwi 5* (+94) 10whoa, managed to leave out zip
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< 1442937910 332156 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44347&oldid=44163 5* 0368.197.153.86 5* (+23) 10/* Implementations */
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< 1442938020 801413 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bake 20–25 at 350 until golden brown, remove at once.
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< 1442938199 451624 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth
< 1442938279 442797 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: ah, but bake what?
< 1442938304 407986 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno.
< 1442938343 415487 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :My instructions tdnh tbqh.
< 1442938362 781489 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbq?
< 1442938387 702336 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it's a variation on tbh.
< 1442938424 213618 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: did you start off with a nonsequitur just so that you could make that response when someone queried it? :-D
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< 1442938461 942488 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you're not allowed to know the answer to that question.
< 1442938466 971448 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? recipe
< 1442938467 694485 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :recipe? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1442938486 276488 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: a cake
< 1442938531 986672 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? cake
< 1442938533 967159 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Enrichment Center is required to remind you that you will be baked, and then there will be cake.
< 1442938540 439381 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: a "chocolate cherry custard cake with buttercream frosting rosettes"
< 1442938553 38002 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`culprits wisdom/cake
< 1442938554 457341 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e ais523 int-e
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< 1442938558 550918 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :thought so
< 1442938570 902665 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :does fungot like cake?
< 1442938571 82778 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: wp is currently depriving us of the marriage was one of the templates at wikipedia:fair use rationale guideline fair use rationale.
< 1442938584 969508 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :in what state, fungot?
< 1442938585 220701 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: i just archived dana's proposal ( and my revision) as per fnord motion above. user:archolaarch o. lasupsmallfont color="green"user_talk:archolatalk/font/small/supfont color="404040"user:archola/ the_centrist_factiontcf/font 08:01, 27 march 2008 ( utc)
< 1442938593 647406 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what fungot style is that? seems Wikipedia-related
< 1442938593 825497 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i left a message on my talk page and calling me a troll. user:yami takashiyami ( user talk:yami takashitalk)
< 1442938597 791153 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: congrats!
< 1442938598 145467 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: this section is also being discussed above, but that of the wolf, if it's the creatures appearing on the coat of arms, then australia ought to have the equivalent image showing asian people, the most common breast shapes and sizes. the fnord were known as " fnord"
< 1442938631 253378 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? code
< 1442938632 605564 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[11,11,11,15,15,23,12],[5,5,5,3,53,45,16,26,00,20,15,16,22,25,45,91,32,11,15,27,06,01,11,01,47,22,30,13,43,21,11,13,29,61,65,17,19,12,28,17,11,01,23,20,16,20,81,18,32,25,58,22.,1985,10.301350435,1555466973690094680980000956080767,13720946704494913791885940266665466978579582015128512190078...
< 1442938635 157602 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, does seem like
< 1442938642 27648 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nobody has yet been able to figure out the code.
< 1442938652 668849 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let me give you some recipe ingredients generated by a neural net that's not mine.
< 1442938659 171756 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :"1 beer, cut into cubes"
< 1442938680 204692 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: minecraft beer?
< 1442938688 315482 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably.
< 1442938689 533569 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :"2 tablespoons of balsamic cocoa"
< 1442938692 271596 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the second half of the code seems to be composed of numbers, but some seem to have leading zeroes and some of them aren't integers
< 1442938704 26240 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`culprits wisdom/code
< 1442938705 588565 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e ais523 tswett int-e
< 1442938713 79603 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :"6 sprigs of freshly ground black pepper"
< 1442938734 475428 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh, what was the context...
< 1442938766 723202 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: is the recipe neural net just combining random units of measurements with random ingredients?
< 1442938775 912859 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not quite.
< 1442938797 994390 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems to have an idea of what quantities ingredients tend to be used in.
< 1442938816 296339 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's much more likely to say "a teaspoon of salt and two cups of water" than "a teaspoon of water and two cups of salt".
< 1442938847 43580 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: is that part of a Chef program?
< 1442938847 258626 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :"1 egg, well"
< 1442938851 403366 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: nope.
< 1442938855 554043 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://gist.github.com/nylki/1efbaa36635956d35bcc
< 1442938871 238306 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :"1 can enough red cayenne"
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< 1442938901 613409 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :must be a program aimed at writing Chef programs
< 1442938955 279990 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :2015-06-24-14:45:36:  This code is better.
< 1442938961 986824 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: any of the recipes theoretically possible yet? if so, any of them look even remotely edible?
< 1442939004 73314 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let me see.
< 1442939013 12920 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :The ingredients list almost never matches the instructions.
< 1442939055 879006 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I would guess someone who understands cooking could find a recipe that looks somewhat reasonable, and then misinterpret it in a way that it deliberately becomes better.
< 1442939073 444026 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is definitely a theoretically possible ingredients list.
< 1442939075 841316 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'd need some prior understanding of what recipes result in acceptible cakes.
< 1442939082 681705 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 cups of chicken broth. 1/2 cup of oil.
< 1442939094 702859 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those are the only ingredients.
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< 1442939121 810362 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would not make for a good recipe
< 1442939135 359589 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had some lessons on cookery at school
< 1442939152 669962 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that has such a food group imbalance it's absurd
< 1442939166 152373 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :This recipe calls for "salt and bell pepper".
< 1442939182 498792 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :See, it's smarter than a Markov chain.
< 1442939199 53105 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :A Markov chain doesn't really know that "bell pepper" is likely to appear after the same sort of stuff that "pepper" is.
< 1442939247 733325 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: the problem is that many of the recipes with many ingredient mix both sweet and salty ingredients. 
< 1442939263 690760 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :"1 tablespoon creme de carrots"
< 1442939281 102491 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mixing sweet and salty ingredients is normally a bad idea, but it's less absolutely a bad idea than making oil 20% of your recipe
< 1442939295 835115 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could maybe get away with making salad cream like that
< 1442939298 543284 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I hate salad cream as it is
< 1442939310 945962 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(oil as 20%, that is, not mixing sweet and salty)
< 1442939319 285010 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: sure, it's not always a bad idea, but you have to be careful with it
< 1442939327 835609 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: this tries to put _chocolate_ in a salad-like thing
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< 1442939346 516271 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which it calls "CHINESE MEAT" despite that it has no meat by the way)
< 1442939364 72314 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I don't eat chocolate any more, but a chocolate salad sandwich would probably taste reasonable
< 1442939366 457210 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :"1/4 teaspoon pepper, or dough"
< 1442939402 894792 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :"1/2 cup of water, whatever; grated"
< 1442939419 243100 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes, the quantities seem to be very off too
< 1442939462 821512 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't seem to understand that you need not only condiments, but some sort of constitutent like flour or corn or meat or vegetable or something of which you take more than just a few spoonfuls
< 1442939470 554131 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :This recipe calls for a quarter teaspoon of salt, and a quarter teaspoon of salt, and salt and pepper, and salt, and three teaspoons of salt, and two tablespoons of salt, and a half cup of shredded salt.
< 1442939486 977507 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: hehe
< 1442939512 6269 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: that'd make a decent condiment for crisps, I think
< 1442939514 511270 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Internets appears is variety and rep." it says
< 1442939538 187084 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks like this recipe has 58 ingredients.
< 1442939539 266915 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does "cn" mean in "2 cn Walnuts"?
< 1442939539 827672 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: are any recipes calling for spam, spam, spam and spam?
< 1442939552 846405 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't understand these american ingredient listings. there's no grams anywher
< 1442939565 265190 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and "2 sm Chicken brisket", whatever is a "sm"?
< 1442939565 861277 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I assume "cans".
< 1442939589 351938 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I think "sm" means "small".
< 1442939592 691174 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :_cans_ of walnuts? if you say so
< 1442939599 619044 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1442939602 572551 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :_small_
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< 1442939618 556986 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think those are right, but I also think abbreviating 'can' with 'cn' is stupid.
< 1442939635 783922 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: what two-letter abbreviation would you use?
< 1442939643 19157 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't.
< 1442939645 524623 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :can.
< 1442939662 893680 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :walnuts normally come in packets
< 1442939670 465589 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But perhaps the recipe database has a VARCHAR(2) field.
< 1442939671 511650 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basil balls of bean bread. Serves 4. Ingredients: 2 large cornmeal; bread. (End of recipe)
< 1442939671 933002 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that case the ingredient list of "HUNGARIAN SOUR CHERRY POT PHIG PART" doesn't look that unreasonable
< 1442939701 762973 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, many nuts come in cans though; why not walnuts...
< 1442939712 645810 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's indeed very disconcerting that after that ingredient list, the recipe starts with "Put fish" 
< 1442939717 256898 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no fish mentioned before
< 1442939735 907052 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Put fish into flour mixture over hot oil in a medium-size." is ok, but not after those ingredients
< 1442939744 955556 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: it's an unexpected twist to make the story more exciting
< 1442939756 215499 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: that instruction sounds /vaguely/ like you're intended to batter the fish
< 1442939758 637103 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"over hot oil"...
< 1442939773 80086 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it's not worded properly for that
< 1442939820 565858 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :"8 ounce piece of trout of milk (1 cup)"
< 1442939837 567604 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :"2 quarts of vegetables with chocolate"
< 1442939839 923829 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :any americans here, is 8 oz = 1 cup?
< 1442939843 47904 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I assume you'd roll the fish in the flour mixture, then fry in hot oil, which is good, it's just a bit abbreviated for experienced cooks.
< 1442939860 493388 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure
< 1442939861 327729 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yeah.
< 1442939870 180102 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :"1 cup of dark tomato sheets"
< 1442939881 470662 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :"1 large cinnamon crumb"
< 1442939887 823623 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like... just a big chunk of cinnamon?
< 1442939888 406635 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Bake in a food processor until the sauce is ready to use."
< 1442939921 981416 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it says "Mix together the peaches" so I assume he ran out of cans of pineaple and decided to substitute peaches, which is a strange bait and switch of the main ingredient so I'd demand a refund, but whatever.
< 1442939947 707836 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like these instructions.
< 1442939951 645685 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Mix together the flour, sugar, the baking dish, garlic, shortening, and butter."
< 1442939956 996835 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :then "Plave another until very smooth, about 45 minutes or until the meat is tender." which means he's forgotten about the fish already and went back to the chicken briskets
< 1442939976 973746 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :neural net output tends to have a short attention span
< 1442939981 904194 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but "When cookies melts, fold the top in the muffin thick" is out of the blue
< 1442939986 84374 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Would you like to learn how to cook? 
< 1442939986 269190 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: it would take much fnord to get closer than you already are. what you call aol when it's gone awol and wont connect! user:68.39.174.15068.39.174.150 05:24, 9 may 2007 ( utc)
< 1442939989 465166 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: the garlic is a nice touch.
< 1442939994 443527 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Cut the strips on the oven and chill" is fine
< 1442940007 383071 :sc00fy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442940015 844764 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Serve with a hamburger." Yeah, sure.
< 1442940017 271565 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what cookies? he didn't get to that point yet
< 1442940030 711687 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Turn off any flour; stir in beans, cooking oil and orange juice."
< 1442940049 361348 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Pour about 1/4 lemons, cocoa, and sugar in the prepared pan." -- er what? oh, that's how you make the cookies?
< 1442940071 947909 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Bake in a food processor until the sauce is ready to use." -- ah, so that's the frosting for the cookies!
< 1442940079 497819 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is a recipe for "herbs".
< 1442940084 139493 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but where'd he get the cookies? 
< 1442940102 101701 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Makes about 3/4 flvidore by Electronicies for $7.96"
< 1442940106 395924 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Full instructions, after a long, long list of ingredients: "Preheat oven to 350.  Remove from pan; fold into pieces and season. Add remaining butter and sugar. Cover with baking sheets. Spread crumbled barley on a parmesan cheese it."
< 1442940116 801365 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I see, the ingredients has walnuts, sugar, and egg yolks. probably he made cookies or muffins from those.
< 1442940118 374161 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damn it, I hate in-recipe purchases.
< 1442940146 432559 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, these are funny
< 1442940204 254528 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"-- cook over low heat until the eggplant forms of a colander."
< 1442940225 787338 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If only it didn't have the ungrammatical "of".
< 1442940257 829000 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"183 calories" -- you must mean per 100 gram or something.
< 1442940284 611151 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, "3 grams carbohydrate"? no way. where'd all the sugar and other ingredients go?
< 1442940311 387205 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here are the full instructions on how to make "HONEY PEPPER (LA])": "combine flour, baking powder, and cinnamon. Serve over top of instead."
< 1442940333 725986 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :now that sounds like a great prank :)
< 1442940351 723835 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :"... let stand at room temperature for 3 to 4 hours, or until setting forms an easter."
< 1442940369 164273 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :flour + baking powder + cinnamon is actually a plausible set of things to mix together, at least
< 1442940371 918998 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :this program really likes broth
< 1442940396 294333 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :"2 tablespoons of lemon rind or taco"
< 1442940408 237132 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-81.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442940413 176333 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :"1 teaspoon potatoes (optional)"
< 1442940437 144225 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Bake at 400 degrees for about 40 minutes, stirring constantly" – now that would be a miserable experience!
< 1442940462 14038 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :"1 pound water, softened" – I can do that; I have a water softener at home.
< 1442940466 628326 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: you can take it out of the oven to bake it
< 1442940475 627594 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, to stir it
< 1442940484 222278 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-81.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaais52333333333333333333333333333333
< 1442940485 553461 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Take it out of the oven constantly?
< 1442940499 864395 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe, "BUFTHA DINGS (PASTA TOGERICK)" has only one ingredient. you wouldn't guess what that one ingredient is.
< 1442940504 207732 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we can interpret "constantly" as a malapropism for "continually"
< 1442940533 101212 :mihow!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442940534 67540 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: cooking oil?
< 1442940545 867645 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"1 c Chopped redpen; cut into Pinch with plain white and -butter"
< 1442940554 933454 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, I don't know what redpen means
< 1442940560 84642 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed, I wouldn't have guessed that.
< 1442940578 674446 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of the ingredients for this one is "Leaves"
< 1442940591 912095 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"roflmao
< 1442940597 543481 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the instructions
< 1442940598 880876 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :these hurt
< 1442940608 862207 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :"2 tablespoons of chopped fresh curry or cooking spray"
< 1442940627 500431 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :"2 medium sugar or food coloring"
< 1442940641 707609 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to interpret "cooking spray" as the sort of sprayable oil that's sometimes used to cut down on lipid content
< 1442940681 726584 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :"1 cup of cooking oil or mint pieces (abouth)"
< 1442940694 970484 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :"1 cup of miniature sour cream, solid halves"
< 1442940758 512775 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :look at these
< 1442940782 698714 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Saute the dough into the freezer if colangol salmons, add the steamed with a large skillet, stir together the milk and oil. Add fruit and cook for about 1 hour. Add the mixture into bowl and add the chops and the buttermilk."
< 1442940788 51534 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :all from just one cup of redpen
< 1442940800 951090 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think we should probably let the neural net have some more training
< 1442940810 232845 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Redpen is a very versatile ingredient.
< 1442940817 501855 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh! a redpen must be a magical crayon that lets you wish any object into existance!
< 1442940853 245830 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :like the Purple Crayon
< 1442940862 755856 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or what the scribblenaughts game uses
< 1442940876 284234 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's actually a very viscous gel whose properties vary with temperature and acidity.
< 1442940888 121352 :mihow!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1442940893 475025 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but "if colangol salmons" is funny enough
< 1442940896 442376 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Funciton/List handling14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44348&oldid=44340 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (-23) 10"Made" a "meaningful" "contribution" to the article
< 1442940907 963434 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and "with a large skillset" must be a euphemism 
< 1442940931 330387 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Very viscous" as in it's about as thick as... uh, lemme think here.
< 1442940961 870444 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The mixture with a well combined and additional in the bottom of the prepared pan. Microwave one hour." ok
< 1442940974 930230 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Peanut butter. It's about as viscous as peanut butter.
< 1442940976 93289 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't very specific about what to do, but ok
< 1442940978 199069 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean
< 1442940987 720912 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well combined what and additional what?
< 1442940999 566725 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what do I microwave? the pan?
< 1442941023 543439 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. Microwave the mixture in the pan.
< 1442941025 784821 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Top with fresh beef, tuna, drain, cook the remaining mayonnaise, and top with salt. Sprinkle with sauce." -- ah, tuna with the colangol salmons!
< 1442941049 840832 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"drain" of what?
< 1442941059 221796 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's obvious to someone who cooks.
< 1442941116 436460 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Meanwhile, depending on the oil in large bowl, combine the flour, baking dilespallas, lemon juice, and all the chicken."
< 1442941120 667716 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just, all the chicken.
< 1442941121 216336 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Date: New York, Mark Summer" -- um, you have to be a bit more specific with the location if you invite me to a date. oh, maybe he lives in the 2000s and thinks I'll find her on facebook.
< 1442941140 319428 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"dilespallas"?
< 1442941146 497734 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume that's something fancy.
< 1442941178 545246 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I read "depending on oil in large bowl" as being some sort of improvised hourglass for measuring time.
< 1442941192 673738 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"3 tb Oil flour" -- um, what's that?
< 1442941218 312438 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :
< 1442941220 16479 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"1/2 c Water; or margarine" -- ah yes, a flexible recipe
< 1442941252 474336 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Sometimes these are a little incomprehensible.
< 1442941255 499582 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Peel beefer a laliar and all of each piece of salad."
< 1442941265 797340 :mihow!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442941279 98625 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That's the entire instructions for a CHEESE SALAD IN SAUCE SAUCE.)
< 1442941288 238675 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's your favourite sauce? Well, I like sauce sauce a lot.
< 1442941290 669628 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's so saucy.
< 1442941317 529141 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe, "AGOUNA TOPPING PASTRYY SALAD" (with "YY" in it, must be a wookie recipe) lists a long list of ingredients with like everything in it, and then says "Dissolve all the ingredients in a 1 cup pot of the foil."
< 1442941323 688285 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah no, I don't think those will just dissolve
< 1442941348 435764 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The ingredients of the CHEESE SALAD IN SAUCE SAUCE include "1/2 c Water, whatever; grated".
< 1442941354 759574 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"1 c Medal 1/4-inch-wide" of what meat?
< 1442941361 427264 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: hehehe
< 1442941365 78246 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's nice
< 1442941373 277001 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/2 c Water, whatever; grated
< 1442941414 986074 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the same list, there's also "1 1/2 tb Water; cooked and".
< 1442941439 767172 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"1 ts Club cabbage" -- er what?
< 1442941452 239587 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and "1 ts Rolled of cornmeal" -- what rolls what?
< 1442941497 442931 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :then of course even after this long list of ingredients that doesn't make much sense, it manages to mention mostly such items in the recpie that aren't in the list
< 1442941504 348886 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Apparently the "club cabbage" is the colloquial term for the Norwich City coach service.
< 1442941506 516659 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :eggs, banana, vinegar, basil, 
< 1442941508 87694 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442941539 109712 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Combine the egg, eggs, and sift mixture."
< 1442941560 728186 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there any way to combine neural networks and markov chains?
< 1442941561 335423 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Bake at 350,"
< 1442941566 684491 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ftoc 350
< 1442941567 431191 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :350.00°F = 176.67°C
< 1442941574 418612 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's better
< 1442941589 270434 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :apples, 
< 1442941611 235932 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it's "skillet", not skillset
< 1442941618 567723 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and apparently "skillet" means some sort of pan
< 1442941644 727670 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :potatoes?
< 1442941662 116803 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Refrigerate the sugar cubes on plate." -- if you say so
< 1442941679 577217 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I would guess the former are sufficiently powerful to represent the latter, if you want.
< 1442941693 489106 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Remove from the heat and rosemary sheeps, almost the peaches if the potatoes and filling, add the sugar mixture, pourielant, and stir the flour mixture, stirring, turning with the top."
< 1442941697 494790 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you lost me there
< 1442941720 920182 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: they seem to do similar things in different ways
< 1442941755 423774 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"in a rollict pan" -- what
< 1442941784 214909 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I'm not good at cooking, but if these weren't all English, maybe I'd have a chance to just understand most of the funny _words_.
< 1442941832 55894 :FireFly!firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see a lot of recipe-like lines in the scrollback. Is fungot testing their culinary skills?
< 1442941832 233989 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: let me quote: ' ' too complicated. likely to confuse the public, that marthinus accepted funds from mi, and there may be funny, but not me.
< 1442941836 80524 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, this one may require dark magic, unless it has some special meaning in cooking: "1 c Packed days; almonds"
< 1442941844 144910 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: https://gist.github.com/nylki/1efbaa36635956d35bcc
< 1442941847 482430 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :um
< 1442941849 408286 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: ^
< 1442941850 310653 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry
< 1442941864 473952 :FireFly!firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah
< 1442941891 338460 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Maybe it's someone confusing dates and days.
< 1442941915 586887 :sc00fy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds
< 1442941917 134877 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If you don't wark the brown, add the sugar and sugar." -- the ingredient list only has one mention of sugar, though it mentions salt three times and pepper twice.
< 1442941933 452361 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, it's based on user-contributed data.
< 1442941942 467794 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Yield: 20 Oct 199 Mayonnaise and fresh chicken freeze with fork use muffins in lengthwise."
< 1442941953 543588 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :er what
< 1442941956 294860 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1442941964 749924 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what the Packed days are for!
< 1442941971 770625 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :to yield 20 Oct 199
< 1442941973 638513 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's obvious
< 1442941987 475573 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :still requires dark magic
< 1442942003 774704 :mihow!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1442942031 634600 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, yes but War doesn't preserve its enemies.
< 1442942044 376104 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :TIL: candy is made out of flour, finely chopped onion and olive oil.
< 1442942062 127098 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :By combining all three, then simmering over medium heat.
< 1442942076 523879 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost plausible
< 1442942097 846606 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Followed by a lot of other stuff involving cheese, fish, potatoes, cream shortening, sugar, baking powder, cinnamon, peas, egg whites, etc.
< 1442942104 454574 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finished by microwaving on high for 2 minutes.
< 1442942105 162796 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol, this long list has "1 ts Salt; 1 ts Salt; 1 ts Salt; 1/8 ts Salt; 1 ts Salt" spread in it
< 1442942114 896534 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also "1 x ------------------------------" is an ingredient
< 1442942128 356770 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, the mystery ingredient
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< 1442942141 919330 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, you must be looking at the BASIC SAUCE WITH CHICKEN WITH CHICKEN.
< 1442942145 947781 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, I think that's code for "repeat everything until the next line 1 times"
< 1442942149 260374 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Written uppercase, the titles look like Unicode character names.
< 1442942154 978302 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yes
< 1442942191 862710 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: no, for the titles have ampersands, which clearly can't occur in a character name
< 1442942197 36481 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the idea that the chickens are used to garnish the sauce, rather than vice versa
< 1442942215 257345 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe
< 1442942231 686020 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so has anyone found a plausible one yet?
< 1442942233 478384 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :the sauce is the best part!
< 1442942243 631145 :FireFly!firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :"1 Beer -- cut into cubes"
< 1442942244 463355 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I can confirm that you can reasonably have two differently-prepared pieces of chicken in the same meal
< 1442942256 827437 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: ice cubes, easy
< 1442942263 356054 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: yep, minecraft beer
< 1442942275 757450 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: The disconnect between instructions and ingredients make it hard to get plausible ones.
< 1442942276 620003 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: of course! four-chicken pizza is the BEST
< 1442942292 654882 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yummy chicken breast meat, prepared four different ways
< 1442942296 643549 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love it
< 1442942297 720614 :FireFly!firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cubed beer is an interesting ingredient for barbecue ribs
< 1442942310 573204 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think adding enough structure to the output to share nouns there would make them a lot more plausible.
< 1442942322 44668 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yes, you have to find short descriptions or short ingredient lists
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< 1442942341 274597 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And those that use the "first three ingredients" or "all the ingredients" references.
< 1442942412 842684 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :look at this APPLE SALAD SUPRETTI for example. both the ingredient list and the description is short enough, and the instructions include "Bake in preheated oven for 1 hour" after an ingredient list with 2 c milk, 4 c flour, and sugar, which totally makes sense
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< 1442942434 320515 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :how it would yield 8 servings from just 4 cup of flour I have no idea, but whatever
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< 1442942453 88679 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it also has almonds
< 1442942459 861967 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: It starts by mixing chopped onion, water, tabasco and celery, none of which exist.
< 1442942465 843928 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everything seems to have almonds.
< 1442942479 748306 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: serves 8 wasps
< 1442942481 744508 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you drop the first paragraph completely, the CHOCOLATE RANCH BARBEQUE doesn't seem *that* far out.
< 1442942482 663457 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :wowow i'm looking at this
< 1442942486 929796 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yeah, the onion seems like a bad idea for this, but still
< 1442942509 715326 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"2 tb Parmesan cheese -- chopped; 1 c coconut milk; 3 eggs, beaten": "Combine the cheese and salt together the dough in a large skillet; add the ingredients and stir in the chocolate and pepper."
< 1442942520 934651 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess they just didn't want to mention the salt and pepper.
< 1442942534 265994 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yeah, that on eis short enough too
< 1442942536 924751 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The first paragraph is completely contradictory, though.)
< 1442942599 873860 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"1 ts Freshly ground black pepper -- and cut into 1/2" pieces" -- what? cut into half inch pieces after grounding the pepper? 
< 1442942604 47342 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or the CHICKEN WINGS PANOUT, if you ignore the epilogue.
< 1442942617 889914 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :even whole black pepper has pieces smaller than half an inch
< 1442942624 68706 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The full instructions are: "Combine all ingredients; beat until smooth. Reserve salt and grated cheese. Cool completely."
< 1442942678 280250 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: hehe, that one has funny things after. "NUMBERNANT COOKING IN THE SWITTER DOG MONE 6."
< 1442942678 783246 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure the cookie ice cream goes that well with garlic and soy sauce, though.
< 1442942717 872940 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I think you can then jump to "add the chocolate and then cook until almost about 10 minutes or until slightly thickened." from later in the recipe
< 1442942762 435532 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"almost about 10 minutes" is a great unit of time
< 1442942762 994403 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but this thing really doesn't understand quantities
< 1442942828 764203 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Making Hungarian skime corn potatoes involves, among a lot of other things and in this order, blending all ingredients, adding all ingredients, combining all ingredients, placing "remaining" ingredients in a plastic wrap in a skillet, and adding the still remaining ingredients.
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< 1442942963 970993 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"1 lb Lean bag in microwave"
< 1442942966 255323 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, in a http://www.xkcd.com/870/ panel 1 way
< 1442943012 390154 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe, "2 lb Potatoes; almost" -- I haven't seen that in a recipe yet
< 1442943041 282559 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, that's not bad actually
< 1442943047 575341 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :look at COUNTRY DIP COOKIES
< 1442943102 594911 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"2 lb Potatoes; almost; 1 lg Orange slices; 1/4 c Coarse carrot; leaves. This is too things to make pasta, spread with sauce. Beef the food processor and a skin to blend. 
< 1442943122 307026 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Refrigerate for 30 to 30 minutes or until the mushrooms are not boil. Serve with fruits. Serves 3."
< 1442943134 223723 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it says "Yield: 6 Servings" in the header, but ok
< 1442943150 375085 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's also in the "poultry" category.
< 1442943174 417723 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the mushrooms would not be boil almost immediately.
< 1442943178 848069 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yes, it's a sauce spread you use to serve chicken pasta with
< 1442943195 784868 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the next one has a funny title: "BROAK PLANT BROCK STUFFED BLANT FOR 1"
< 1442943206 535946 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no instructions at all
< 1442943212 841790 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're obvious.
< 1442943221 602650 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1442943226 53719 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it has a consistent ingredient list
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< 1442943229 914844 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we might actually be able to cook it
< 1442943235 841862 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there more than one way you can proceed if you're given granulated sugar, salad oil, lemon juice, salt, and hot soy sauce? 
< 1442943240 137503 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :given that we can make the instructions up
< 1442943257 708126 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: don't forget the Steamed, Biscuits
< 1442943260 856545 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're the main ingredient
< 1442943269 189643 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: hmm, I think there's more of a chance of there being less than one way you can proceed
< 1442943276 823772 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's 16 boull of hot soy sauce, too.
< 1442943291 498217 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: that's optional if you don't like hot food
< 1442943298 228317 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It yields 16 servings, so I guess it's one "boull" per serving.
< 1442943309 502793 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If that's the same as a bowl, it sounds a bit spicy.
< 1442943366 134634 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, the next ingreient list, the one with "CURRIED CREAM CORN COOKIES" has somewhat reasonable ingredients, provided you igonre the quantities of the Kikkoman salt and the pepper, which must be typos
< 1442943393 499226 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, and the insrtuctions aren't too bad too, 
< 1442943431 382405 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :this CURRIED CREAM CORN COOKIES seems nice, but miscategorized as "Cumin" 
< 1442943434 250400 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the other hand, it's the one where the eggplant forms a colander.
< 1442943447 336447 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You may need to cook over low heat for a long time before that happens.
< 1442943469 906388 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yeah, I'd like to think the "Top with" part is an optional addition
< 1442943490 634019 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe, it has chopped salt!
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< 1442943570 437662 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does "consistenches" mean?
< 1442943655 94640 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"CARAMELLED CORN PIPS & A LAN SAUCE" has a simple ingredient list of ground beef and condiments only, then a long set of instructions that go very overboard for that
< 1442943700 610288 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems really complicated to make.
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< 1442946956 973636 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-81.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm making a program to help people with the λ-calculus
< 1442947001 17739 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-81.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I make it so there's a "λ" button that types "λ" at the current cursor, or so that "\L" is replaced with "λ", or both?
< 1442947049 121855 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Assign a single key perhaps, such as F1 key or tab key
< 1442947138 369717 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-81.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oooh
< 1442947141 598045 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-81.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That works
< 1442947168 230283 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-81.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll add a "λ" button AND a rebindable key for it
< 1442947182 72262 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-81.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because if you have a laptop, you can't hit f1 very easily
< 1442947209 185275 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just make people type Ctrl-Shift-U 3 B B 
< 1442947222 513073 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :DrRacket uses Ctrl-\ for lambda
< 1442947298 732132 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-81.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH MY GOD THAT WORKED
< 1442947310 192454 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-81.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :THAT IS AMAZING
< 1442947326 225924 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-81.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about JUST Ctrl+Shift+L?
< 1442947354 108113 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-81.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll add a .cfg where you can bind lambda to a keycombo
< 1442947422 293714 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-81.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thank you, shachaf. You are truly the patron saint of typing non-ascii characters.
< 1442947699 822574 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, will \ have any other meaning?
< 1442947725 900003 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :if your program is really really lambda-calculus-specific \ might as well just type a λ
< 1442947791 255417 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :and have \\ type a real backspace, because λλ makes no sense
< 1442947793 136442 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-218-160.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have Ctrl+L set to actually insert a whole lambda template. https://github.com/jarcane/Racketstuff/blob/master/my-keybinds.rkt
< 1442947812 526092 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice å
< 1442947987 737938 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-81.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait
< 1442947995 119458 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-81.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just seeing the "\" character
< 1442948014 199180 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-81.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :mauris: It's almost the same as standard λ-calculus. It /does/, however, support naming functions
< 1442948035 462810 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-81.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(e.g. "I = λx.x")
< 1442948089 455856 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-81.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So what do you guys think?
< 1442948106 710048 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-81.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait
< 1442948109 319422 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-81.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why'd I say that
< 1442948112 970161 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-81.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I already have a solution
< 1442948120 7083 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-81.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to think before hitting "enter" xD
< 1442948146 783105 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-81.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps I should make "" require that I hit "" one or two more times before sending
< 1442948154 295899 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you mean re: my lines: yeah, i do mean the literal "\"! nobody's gonna want to write backslashes in your environment, it sounds like. so you might as well catch simple "\" keypresses and turn them into fancy lambda's
< 1442948175 963736 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, lambdas. dutch has ruined me
< 1442948206 813647 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-81.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1442948216 552675 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-81.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll make \ the default keybinding to λ
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< 1442949363 441497 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :shichaf!
< 1442949387 754395 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: thank god for "Open URL..." in jettyplay ;v;
< 1442949412 493044 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mauris: I'm a little surprised jettyplay still works, really
< 1442949426 726933 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's showing signs of age already (such as keyboard controls not working in the latest Ubuntu, you have to use the mouse)
< 1442949430 802198 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :"still" how so?
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< 1442949431 818533 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1442949432 397729 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, mindbogglingly high RAM consumption
< 1442949444 545288 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes :(
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< 1442949542 967305 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF9214F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : Did someone of you ever try to implement Sha1 in Brainfuck?
< 1442949765 500283 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I meant more "what's with that function" than "what is that function".
< 1442949791 799574 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: we actually asked the devteam about it
< 1442949802 628684 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :their response can be summed up as "at least it's not patented"
< 1442950284 640954 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :which function?
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< 1442950916 918716 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :mauris: https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Rnz
< 1442950927 335804 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, of course
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< 1442953488 93 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44349&oldid=44347 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (+45) 10
< 1442953529 571993 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Math++14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44350&oldid=44326 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (-7) 10/* Truth Machine */
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< 1442957193 850347 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there program existing for use with Linux you can generate UUIDs that you can also set a different MAC address (it still has to be a device you have control over at the time mentioned in the UUID though, and is guaranteed not to generate its own UUIDs during that time)?
< 1442957357 882767 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Linux's default UUID generator doesn't embed a MAC into it; however, a program like you want is probably easy to write
< 1442957370 177306 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually I figured out there is a file /proc/sys/kernel/random/uuid but I want a version 1 UUID
< 1442957464 622118 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the spec for a version 1 UUID is pretty simple
< 1442957480 131257 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I know how it works
< 1442957519 144634 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is the issue of what to do during a leap second, but my idea would be just to sleep for 1 second if the current time is behind the recorded time by less than one second
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< 1442958001 743913 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF9214F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I don't really get that leap second problem, could you please explain again for dummies?
< 1442958031 986026 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF9214F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :First of all, what do you mean by "recorded time"?
< 1442958104 64398 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean the timestamp of the last generated UUID
< 1442958140 836876 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF9214F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah now I get it
< 1442958148 607187 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF9214F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mistranslated leap second
< 1442958198 697942 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-81.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi, S1!
< 1442958203 928337 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF9214F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi, hppavilion[1] o7
< 1442958220 547063 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-81.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1442958251 462624 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF9214F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's up
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< 1442958770 269079 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-81.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm making an evoltuion by natural selection simulator for a school project
< 1442958782 615216 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oooh
< 1442958849 331583 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF9214F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you are the one making the selection then it is not natural by definition
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< 1442958879 172900 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF9214F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean I'd not call it natural if you were even only to set the parameters
< 1442958879 686740 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's why it has the word "simulator" in it, I guess.
< 1442958926 617094 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-81.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :S1: Fair enough xD. It is Evolution by Digital Selection
< 1442958939 984698 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-81.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It progresses as the result of some fairly primitive AI though
< 1442958968 88831 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF9214F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was not talking about.... nevermind
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< 1442959005 689552 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-81.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :S1: No. Tell me.
< 1442959040 39476 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-81.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, it isn't, strictly speaking, "nature", but it /is/ a self-contained little universe
< 1442959045 667512 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-81.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :With its own little properties
< 1442959145 346897 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF9214F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :No it's alright
< 1442959235 798297 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF9214F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it open source?
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< 1442959374 403815 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF9214F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: 
< 1442959383 370070 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF9214F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/://
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< 1442959568 929246 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Funciton14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44351&oldid=44329 5* 03Timwi 5* (+6822) 10/* Lambda expressions */ Lazy-evaluated sequences.
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< 1442961274 747480 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF9214F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :night o7
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< 1442961347 200412 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Funciton14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44352&oldid=44351 5* 03Timwi 5* (+4) 10/* Lambda expressions */ don’t look, embarrassing mistake
< 1442962085 878706 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Funciton14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44353&oldid=44352 5* 03Timwi 5* (+0) 10/* Lambda expressions */
< 1442962511 476149 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Funciton/Lazy-evaluated sequences14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44354&oldid=44346 5* 03Timwi 5* (+756) 10add ⌑
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< 1442962904 126167 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hippavilion[1]!
< 1442963015 407689 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi \oren\ 
< 1442963344 905717 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Funciton14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44355&oldid=44353 5* 03Timwi 5* (+30) 10/* Lazy-evaluated sequences */
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< 1442969057 172283 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone should generalize Ackerman to the complex numbers
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< 1442969423 597135 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Ahem*
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< 1442970106 796533 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders if Ackerman grows too fast to be analytic
< 1442970138 690555 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it's Ackermann
< 1442970399 913414 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that function defined in N^2 ?
< 1442970415 90267 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :details
< 1442970475 278412 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm uniform convergence on compact sets, i think that implies a function defined on just naturals cannot grow too fast to be analytic
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< 1442970751 989556 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok they can grow arbitrarily fast https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entire_function#Growth
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< 1442971186 766205 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found a very cool paper in "lisp and symbolic programming".  It is about how several partial descriptions of a function can be automatically combined to synthesize it. http://cs.au.dk/~hosc/local/LaSC-3-1-pp21-37.pdf
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< 1442971889 68420 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh god that's unreadable
< 1442972075 504528 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is? why?
< 1442972103 527885 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you print it?
< 1442972113 447269 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't, i'm reading it on a computer
< 1442972119 916457 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, just read it as a pdf on my computer
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< 1442972362 250399 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.cs.umd.edu/~saurabhs/pubs/popl10-synthesis.pdf
< 1442972488 546178 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lets see if I can find a different copy
< 1442972521 289245 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it's fine
< 1442972675 208857 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Google search cache happens to have a PDF renderer
< 1442972786 519496 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.google.com/search?q=relative+specification+and+transformational+reuse+of+functional
< 1442972929 588739 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :digging around I see that the authors are haskell people
< 1442973550 557872 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: you're wondering if there's a way to combine neural networks and Markov chains? Sure—do the same sort of thing that Karpathy's char-rnn program does, but have an additional input which is the Markov chain prediction of the next letter.
< 1442973560 368470 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, I like that idea.
< 1442973723 598580 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to challenge a CS student to implement Ackermann as a set of For Loops
< 1442973741 158925 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not telling them, of course, that it's , which, AFAICT, means that you can't do that
< 1442973796 980023 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course you can do that if you set a max value for both parameters
< 1442973830 164166 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :and
< 1442973857 626828 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :well whatever <.<
< 1442973869 305190 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't ackermann call itself calling iself?
< 1442973873 312942 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Non-primitive-recursive.
< 1442973886 943683 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yeah, the usual definition of the Ackermann function is recursive.
< 1442973891 160488 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, isn't the base case A(m, A(m-1, n-1))?
< 1442973941 638399 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to build a Command Block Computer in MC
< 1442973949 539614 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's been done before, but I don't care)
< 1442974046 636406 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or should I do it in Plain Old Redstone?
< 1442974827 766176 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Command Blocks it is
< 1442974875 3668 :MDream!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Making an interpreter in Javascript and I'm wondering how to convert a variable name to an index.
< 1442974903 940882 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :interpreting what?
< 1442974924 3246 :MDream!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Codesine.
< 1442974931 435328 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where's the code?
< 1442974934 135676 :MDream!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty much making the language as I go.
< 1442974973 155366 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I want to make my MC processor a "bit" esoteric. What should I model it after?
< 1442974977 912294 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, the base case is A(0,0) or something.
< 1442974986 224663 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: probably subleq.
< 1442974995 951088 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Assuming you can do arithmetic.
< 1442975005 174442 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you can't do arithmetic, then... lemme think a few moments.
< 1442975022 944612 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: I can, as a matter of fact, do arithmetic due to the /scoreboard player operation command
< 1442975050 343143 :MDream!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right now the code is on my computer.
< 1442975061 585503 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could do something fungey
< 1442975076 420575 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Subleq would be pretty nice.
< 1442975081 399886 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or RSSB. Good ol' RSSB.
< 1442975115 739482 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_instruction_set_computer#Reverse_subtract_and_skip_if_borrow
< 1442975144 870309 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OISC is boring
< 1442975151 434185 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :RISC is cool, though
< 1442975160 506767 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to do something entirely unconventional, though
< 1442975170 442968 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps forgoing the concept of regiestries and a stack entirely
< 1442975198 443515 :MDream!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Queue machine?
< 1442975219 771559 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could do a queue machine
< 1442975235 799723 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that's still normal-ish
< 1442975293 677618 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I want something fungy
< 1442975333 199358 :MDream!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A funge could operate on a queue instead of stacks.
< 1442975393 524257 :MDream!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe a priority queue.
< 1442975402 202306 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now we're getting somewhere
< 1442975415 648179 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could do something fungey and treey
< 1442975423 197216 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a few things I can do:
< 1442975429 720319 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Manipulate entity properties
< 1442975433 986344 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(velocities, etc)
< 1442975444 834871 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Set and retrieve scores
< 1442975460 890197 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Execute commands relative to entities
< 1442975571 384756 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I give up
< 1442975577 111454 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :On listing all the shit I could do
< 1442976029 858159 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Remove from heat and boil to cool."
< 1442976032 992479 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, good luck with that.
< 1442976042 586865 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ds01-214-177.dynamic.mtsallstream.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442976424 744430 :rodgort!~rodgort@2607:5300:100:200::160d QUIT :K-Lined
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< 1442977119 691306 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In this paper, we describe the problem and the effect of eta-redexes in terms of monovariant binding-time propagation: eta-redexes preserve the static data flow of a source program by interfacing static higher-order values in dynamic contexts and dynamic higher-order values in static contexts.
< 1442977254 485775 :MDream!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where should I put up code for people to comment on it?
< 1442977260 586155 :MDream!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDude
< 1442977266 987575 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The wiki?
< 1442977834 278179 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :programming languages that feature higher-order facilities--first-class functions and continuations, effects and higher-order types, ob-jects, and actors. Such languages include Lisp, Scheme, ML, Haskell, Java and Dylan.
< 1442978237 932188 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Codesine/implementation14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=44357 5* 03MDude 5* (+1864) 10Created page with "So far I have this running along with html that's just an input box with the ID read and a button to call EVAL(). I'm wondering if I should bother trying to implement named va..."
< 1442978327 956666 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Feel free to leave comment son the talk page, I'll go to bed for now.
< 1442978333 340816 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDream
< 1442978424 588118 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is ais523 around?
< 1442978707 969377 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442979234 65390 :doesthiswork1!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442979234 347420 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1442979281 384659 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ds01-214-177.dynamic.mtsallstream.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1442980749 552454 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell b_jonas I just updated the page again. I've added about 30 more chinese charatcers
< 1442980749 766780 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1442981570 617465 :SirCmpwn!~sircmpwn@irc.sircmpwn.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1442981854 952027 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1442981914 481116 :SirCmpwn!~sircmpwn@irc.sircmpwn.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442981931 341622 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442984031 265919 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you ever heard of a chess variant called "Emperor Wars"? I believe I may have the only copy of the rules, and I have lost it. I do not know who wrote it either, or how I got it, but I can remember a few things about it.
< 1442984113 431264 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plebians are normally neutral pieces but when other pieces are adjacent they are owned by whoever own those other pieces; another piece is "Vestal Virgin" which move like queens does in chess but cannot capture anything nor can any adjacent piece capture anything.
< 1442984332 333319 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote a back story of a Dungeons&Dragons character I made it inspired by such true event too; it says: he made up a three-dimensional chess variant where some pieces can fly and some pieces can swim and some pieces normal movement, and he only made two copies, one was given away and one was lost, and no information can be found in library. So, this is kind of similar but also many difference
< 1442984357 674073 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such as, Emperor Wars is not three-dimensional game and I did not make it up by myself
< 1442984417 818171 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Next time I find it (if I ever do) then I will put it into the computer.
< 1442984717 943406 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Stream14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44358&oldid=43681 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+41) 10some proofreading
< 1442985006 947157 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07LOLCODE14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44359&oldid=43642 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+101) 10Undo revision 43600 by [[Special:Contributions/70.185.102.142|70.185.102.142]] ([[User talk:70.185.102.142|talk]]) (It's in the spec.)
< 1442985240 772985 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07LOLCODE14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44360&oldid=44359 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+0) 10/* Criticism */ case
< 1442985440 568261 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Esolang talk:Rules14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44361&oldid=43614 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+96) 10unsigned
< 1442985513 224261 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Esoteric data structure14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44362&oldid=43604 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+0) 10case
< 1442985693 421353 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:O14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44363&oldid=43609 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+47) 10It's not signed without a date hth
< 1442986121 917801 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Weirdlang14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44364&oldid=43651 5* 03Oerjan 5* (-28) 10Removing Title Case but leaving Ironic Case. Also a bit proofreading.
< 1442986170 534325 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Weirdlang14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44365&oldid=44364 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+0) 10missed one
< 1442986232 175190 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Weirdlang14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44366&oldid=44365 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+4) 10erring in opposite direction, also link
< 1442986765 184299 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Esolang talk:Policy14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44367&oldid=43615 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+213) 10unsigned, response
< 1442987059 971884 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Folder14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44368&oldid=44097 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+50) 10unsigned
< 1442988376 332285 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Magicard!14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44369&oldid=43630 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+4) 10/* Data Organization */ link
< 1442988404 473125 :doesthiswork1!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving.
< 1442988538 478484 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Abstract machine14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44370&oldid=43632 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+0) 10case
< 1442988604 703099 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :(+7/-7) would be much more informative than (+0)
< 1442988628 954763 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages
< 1442988776 59576 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@2602:306:8039:e9e0:7139:aaf8:4b51:7443 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442988853 755962 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: that's much more than 30, but ok
< 1442988917 329683 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: indeed, more numbers and other characters
< 1442988977 214797 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(+/-7)
< 1442988980 341767 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not good with the counting and shit
< 1442989005 677849 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it was 60? wvr
< 1442989123 729909 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Disney queue14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44371&oldid=43637 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+0) 10case
< 1442989157 234779 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'll have to find someone who can proofread these, and the rest of the font. I gave up way back, after the Welsh characters.
< 1442989190 179010 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. 
< 1442989245 975704 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't be able to tell if any of these is the wrong character for the code place or is drawn wrong, and that applies to most of the font. 
< 1442989390 294378 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well I'm trying to decrease the likelihood of those for the kanji by only drawing kanji which I actually know the meaning of.
< 1442989391 258109 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Generic Brainfuck Derivative14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44372&oldid=43639 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+4) 10link, case
< 1442989436 405951 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442989718 593688 :bakatotest!b3de85fb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.179.222.133.251 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442989798 833647 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: wait, I list a character. didn't you have 門 somewhere? I guess I just imagined that
< 1442989803 322878 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/list/lost/
< 1442989852 441528 :bakatotest!b3de85fb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.179.222.133.251 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\help
< 1442989919 173839 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1442989998 436087 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wälcåme bakatotest
< 1442989999 153439 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: wälcåme: not found
< 1442990009 115462 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you DELETED it?
< 1442990015 937392 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`blame bin/wälcåme
< 1442990016 722022 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: blame: not found
< 1442990023 79349 :bakatotest!b3de85fb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.179.222.133.251 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello
< 1442990069 739972 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :um
< 1442990075 654693 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :where's blame?
< 1442990099 175726 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway,
< 1442990104 79188 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome bakatotest
< 1442990105 683 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bakatotest: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: . (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.)
< 1442990125 105796 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` welcome b_jonas | en2sv 
< 1442990126 569590 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jånas: Wälcåme to the internatiånal hub for esotäric prågramming languagä däsign and däplåymänt! Får morä infårmatiån, chäck åut åur wiki: . (Får thä åthär kind åf äsåtärica, try #äsotäric ån ÄFnät år DALnät.)
< 1442990134 301251 :bakatotest!b3de85fb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.179.222.133.251 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1442990212 679296 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: no one deleted it.  i suggest not spelling commands in ways you cannot remember hth
< 1442990243 943722 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what? how else would it be spelled?
< 1442990247 486729 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1442990267 473085 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wälcåmä bakatotest
< 1442990269 726671 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bakatåtäst: Welcåme tå thä intärnatiånal hub får esotäric programming languagä design and däplåyment! For mårä infårmatiån, chäck åut åur wiki: . (For thä åther kind åf esotärica, try #esotäric on EFnet or DALnet.)
< 1442990270 199186 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1442990271 607750 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry
< 1442990273 616552 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid English
< 1442990278 308102 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :with its silent letters
< 1442990282 624419 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :en2sv should remove those
< 1442990335 326624 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also `blame is spelt `culprits hth
< 1442990346 908572 :bakatotest!b3de85fb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.179.222.133.251 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very exciting exception indeed
< 1442990355 675440 :bakatotest!b3de85fb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.179.222.133.251 PRIVMSG #esoteric :reception*
< 1442990381 71178 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :surely not the best we can do.
< 1442990392 224861 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` WeLcOmE bakatotest | rainwords
< 1442990393 461919 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​13BaKaToTeSt: 04WeLcOmE 07To 08tHe 09iNtErNaTiOnAl 02hUb 06fOr 13eSoTeRiC 04PrOgRaMmInG 07LaNgUaGe 08dEsIgN 09AnD 02DePlOyMeNt! 06FoR 13MoRe 04iNfOrMaTiOn, 07ChEcK 08OuT 09OuR 02WiKi: 06. 13(fOr 04tHe 07oThEr 08kInD 09Of 02eSoTeRiCa, 06TrY 13#eSoTeRiC 04On 07eFnEt 08oR 09DaLnEt.)
< 1442990424 693164 :bakatotest!b3de85fb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.179.222.133.251 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You would probably recognize me as the guy with an awful username who created SELECT.
< 1442990427 608103 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh my eyes
< 1442990434 167983 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh
< 1442990444 526352 :bakatotest!b3de85fb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.179.222.133.251 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that was a long time ago
< 1442990545 836029 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : en2sv should remove those <-- i think replacing them by "a" is the swedish way hth
< 1442990591 518718 :bender|!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442990661 250188 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's so long ago that the page history has split in two
< 1442990809 551361 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442991063 55598 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :“<\oren\> Well I'm trying to decrease the likelihood of those for the kanji by only drawing kanji which I actually know the meaning of.” => doesn't that contradict your previously stated goal of adding all 2000 jōyō kanji?
< 1442991296 967447 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well given my current rate of 50 kanji a day... 
< 1442991312 328603 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh.
< 1442991330 977775 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could always just learn all of the kanji before drawing them.
< 1442991347 543820 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: oh by the way, do the fullwidth circle punctuation that is used as the digit zero in some contexts where kanji digits are used in Japanese vertical writing
< 1442991364 852720 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: that's a good plan
< 1442991432 412319 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: I think it's 〇
< 1442991445 429441 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode 〇
< 1442991446 478118 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+3007 IDEOGRAPHIC NUMBER ZERO \ UTF-8: e3 80 87  UTF-16BE: 3007  Decimal: 〇 \ 〇 \ Category: Nl (Number, Letter) \ Numeric value: 0 \ Bidi: L (Left-to-Right)
< 1442991447 711736 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that might work if you're dedicated
< 1442991498 752970 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's used when writing numbers with multiple digits as each digit in kanji in a vertical label, because hindu-arabic numerals would look wrong in a vertical Japanese text
< 1442991506 732459 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's a punctuation used in Chinese too
< 1442991511 694634 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :for similar things
< 1442991552 183963 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's sort of weird because it really isn't a kanji, but is used as one, so I call it punctuation
< 1442991578 66915 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's in the cjk punctuation block
< 1442991725 219994 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So yeah I'mma upload a new file each time I reach 50
< 1442991741 747357 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :町画白的目相矢石知私穴立竹米糸缶羊羽而虫耳肉花血行言西見谷豆足赤車里釆長金門雨雪雷電馬魚骨鳥黒黄皿〇
< 1442991754 169285 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you see that character a lot as a tourist because many prices end in two zeros
< 1442991792 343416 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it occurs in scores in Touhou
< 1442991931 511148 :bakatotest!b3de85fb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.179.222.133.251 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<\oren\> what do you use to learn japanese
< 1442991937 984092 :bakatotest!b3de85fb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.179.222.133.251 PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1442992043 87321 :bakatotest!b3de85fb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.179.222.133.251 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there aren't many japanese courses here in Brazil
< 1442992069 106705 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bakatotest: These days I read Japanese newspapers and manga.
< 1442992108 779359 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: is that a list of Kanjis with at least one square or circle?
< 1442992111 889568 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rectangle, I meant
< 1442992126 554361 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, no, nevermind
< 1442992132 426956 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :some clearly doesn't
< 1442992158 465879 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it's a list of the kanji I jsut added to my font
< 1442992170 250624 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :font? are you making a font?
< 1442992185 922581 :bakatotest!b3de85fb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.179.222.133.251 PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting
< 1442992186 718880 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.orenwatson.be/fontdemo.htm
< 1442992213 627307 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh what.
< 1442992219 905462 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's really crazy
< 1442992254 153777 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hand drew more than 4000 charatcers
< 1442992283 689840 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :most are variants of base charatcers but still
< 1442992315 447088 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the green ones are newer than the white ones
< 1442992321 930530 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it will be gradually harder when you draw more complex letters
< 1442992349 659375 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup
< 1442992375 330671 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for Hanguls, there are well-known compositional approaches (e.g. 8-4-8 composition etc.)
< 1442992433 162155 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have 4702 characters in total so far
< 1442992721 664745 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :eventually this will be the perfect font for crazy programmmers who want to name variables random unicode things
< 1442992759 803531 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :My dad once used i, iota, and double dot i in a paper but I think he was deliberately trolling
< 1442993169 303962 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :i is just the derivative of ı.
< 1442993182 370833 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1442993200 696975 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :physiscs derivatives
< 1442993320 682991 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my font does have ẊẋẌẍ
< 1442993364 577772 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which i doubt are used for anything outside physics
< 1442993443 427216 :bakatotest!b3de85fb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.179.222.133.251 PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone's username
< 1442993459 55927 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: Maybe certain languages.
< 1442993481 323921 :bakatotest!b3de85fb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.179.222.133.251 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ẊẋẌẍ_BAKA_TEST_ẍẌẋẊ
< 1442993501 722444 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1442993711 266157 :bakatotest!b3de85fb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.179.222.133.251 PRIVMSG #esoteric :most characters are really useless anyways.
< 1442993722 856853 :bakatotest!b3de85fb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.179.222.133.251 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"#" - what is this stuff even for?
< 1442993741 531067 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :twitter
< 1442993867 872092 :bakatotest!b3de85fb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.179.222.133.251 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like @ is for email
< 1442993876 399357 :bakatotest!b3de85fb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.179.222.133.251 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and > for 4chan
< 1442994007 277579 :fowl!fowl@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-hfvwzvgasvkdabgn PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is # called
< 1442994015 306982 :bakatotest!b3de85fb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.179.222.133.251 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sharp
< 1442994018 369609 :bakatotest!b3de85fb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.179.222.133.251 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in music
< 1442994052 630522 :bakatotest!b3de85fb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.179.222.133.251 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hashtag, number (as in "you're my #1")
< 1442994157 120234 :sc00fy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442994158 58050 :bakatotest!b3de85fb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.179.222.133.251 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the wiki says it's "number sign" or "hash key"
< 1442994252 179106 :bakatotest!b3de85fb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.179.222.133.251 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not too much an esoteric topic, though
< 1442994694 629971 :bakatotest!b3de85fb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.179.222.133.251 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anybody on?
< 1442994794 97392 :bakatotest!b3de85fb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.179.222.133.251 PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems empty
< 1442994802 312546 :bakatotest!b3de85fb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.179.222.133.251 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder...
< 1442994816 78107 :bakatotest!b3de85fb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.179.222.133.251 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If a tree falls down and there's no one there to hear
< 1442994820 941584 :bakatotest!b3de85fb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.179.222.133.251 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it make a sound?
< 1442995020 614589 :bakatotest!b3de85fb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.179.222.133.251 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't matter, everybody's gonna see the log!
< 1442995047 418354 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't hear text too well
< 1442995074 240588 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially when its encoded in binary moving across thousands of miles of cords
< 1442995089 225206 :bakatotest!b3de85fb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.179.222.133.251 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Congratz my friend,
< 1442995104 280920 :bakatotest!b3de85fb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.179.222.133.251 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you destroyed my philosophical inquiry about existence
< 1442995108 423367 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if i tried to listen to it through the wifi, i still wouldn't hear it, because A the freq is too high, and B, there would be loads of other info streaming
< 1442995161 767527 :bakatotest!b3de85fb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.179.222.133.251 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And C - Your ears do not detect electromagnetic waves
< 1442995172 859795 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was A
< 1442995188 175220 :bakatotest!b3de85fb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.179.222.133.251 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it wasnt
< 1442995209 312526 :sc00fy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds
< 1442995245 172319 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh boy
< 1442995265 923434 :bakatotest!b3de85fb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.179.222.133.251 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no matter how high or low the frequency of the electromagnetic waves, they would not be able to move your inner ear organs
< 1442995282 472675 :bakatotest!b3de85fb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.179.222.133.251 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because they are not mechanical
< 1442995283 476206 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :its very hard to argue with people who dont understand that Em waves are indeed vibratory in nature
< 1442995314 217283 :bakatotest!b3de85fb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.179.222.133.251 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a vibratory wave that propagates in a vacuum
< 1442995317 921390 :bakatotest!b3de85fb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.179.222.133.251 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how delightful
< 1442995350 665226 :bakatotest!b3de85fb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.179.222.133.251 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you tell me how do you make "nothing" vibrate?
< 1442995356 543772 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :' light as a wave
< 1442995375 848355 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm that didnt work so well
< 1442995383 310689 :bakatotest!b3de85fb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.179.222.133.251 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1442995393 792233 :bakatotest!b3de85fb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.179.222.133.251 PRIVMSG #esoteric :irony is not your best
< 1442995403 582816 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't make "nothing" to vibrate you can vibrate electromagnetic fields, I think
< 1442995421 836380 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :httop://lmgtfy.com/q?=light%20wave%20property
< 1442995432 221079 :bakatotest!b3de85fb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.179.222.133.251 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now that's an answer that makes sense
< 1442995468 334504 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll let you research ti for a bit and get back to me
< 1442995480 268368 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it
< 1442995488 447921 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in the meantime i'll work on my typing
< 1442995540 792409 :bakatotest!b3de85fb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.179.222.133.251 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, but this page doesn't exist
< 1442995557 199314 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And sound waves can vibrate the air instead.
< 1442995561 385692 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :remove the o from teh http and try again
< 1442995562 326327 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1442995570 53885 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even know what URI scheme is "httop:"
< 1442995588 491533 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :im leaning across my desk with arms extended typing
< 1442995595 606323 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :at an angle to boot
< 1442995599 679033 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not very comfortable
< 1442995607 777783 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not condusive to spelling eitgher
< 1442995637 286607 :bakatotest!b3de85fb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.179.222.133.251 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can see
< 1442995709 333170 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1442995831 822548 :bakatotest!b3de85fb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.179.222.133.251 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But got to go before I can explain you how
< 1442995844 406877 :bakatotest!b3de85fb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.179.222.133.251 PRIVMSG #esoteric :;)
< 1442995876 815543 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how sound waves are too weak to propogate through certain mediums, but Em waves can even propogate through a vaccuum?
< 1442995913 690900 :bakatotest!b3de85fb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.179.222.133.251 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The classical or the quantum explanation?
< 1442995921 914695 :bakatotest!b3de85fb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.179.222.133.251 PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriouly, bye
< 1442995927 735907 :bakatotest!b3de85fb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.179.222.133.251 PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriouslt
< 1442995934 889162 :bakatotest!b3de85fb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.179.222.133.251 PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously*
< 1442995960 575420 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :much bias, no research, such assumption. wow
< 1442995983 543794 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :doge is impressed
< 1442996011 641039 :bakatotest!b3de85fb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.179.222.133.251 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will be watching for the log tomorrow
< 1442996023 727825 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like i said, hard to argue.. causes much cognative dissonance
< 1442996026 751442 :bakatotest!b3de85fb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.179.222.133.251 PRIVMSG #esoteric :say whatever you want
< 1442996035 904331 :bakatotest!b3de85fb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.179.222.133.251 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cognative, sure
< 1442996037 368383 :bakatotest!b3de85fb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.179.222.133.251 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye
< 1442996049 96290 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol, im done have a great night
< 1442996057 455574 :bakatotest!b3de85fb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.179.222.133.251 QUIT :Quit: Page closed
< 1442996403 939143 :fowl!fowl@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-hfvwzvgasvkdabgn PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bing bong
< 1442998416 798438 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite
< 1442998826 420901 :heddwch!heddwch@76.8.3.189 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1442998828 310265 :FireFly!firefly@oftn/member/FireFly QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1442998860 430168 :heddwch!heddwch@76.8.3.189 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442999093 982755 :FireFly!firefly@oftn/member/FireFly JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443000018 437378 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443000469 874019 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443004490 312004 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443007679 606334 :bakatotest!b3b9aa9b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.179.185.170.155 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443007843 962003 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: QUALITY CHICKEN
< 1443007856 131556 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what rolls down stairs, and over in pairs, and over your neighbors dog
< 1443008082 195907 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :blurelIse: boulders?
< 1443008104 873461 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :log
< 1443008107 787086 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :log
< 1443008110 292982 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :log
< 1443008138 177730 :bakatotest!b3b9aa9b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.179.185.170.155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ise, you are making no sense
< 1443008151 487510 :bakatotest!b3b9aa9b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.179.185.170.155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is giving me "cognative" dissonance
< 1443008172 470837 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :im sure you could find a good ren and stimpy video that will ease all your suffereing
< 1443008209 51468 :bakatotest!b3b9aa9b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.179.185.170.155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a big fan of cartoon
< 1443008251 124865 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, well they had a spoof commercial, for a toy called log, to the tune of the slinky commercial
< 1443008289 431527 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders what the little guys are planning in Monday's Girl Genius comic
< 1443008346 547345 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :those were the lyrics
< 1443008348 653039 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the end
< 1443008471 690695 :gniourf!~gniourf@pdm-l03.insa-lyon.fr QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1443008500 726946 :bakatotest!b3b9aa9b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.179.185.170.155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kind of remembers me that song from ed edd and eddy
< 1443008514 876542 :bakatotest!b3b9aa9b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.179.185.170.155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :where the guy has a friend which is a plank
< 1443008548 741984 :bakatotest!b3b9aa9b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.179.185.170.155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it's called...
< 1443008553 864587 :bakatotest!b3b9aa9b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.179.185.170.155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :My Friend Planck
< 1443008589 754856 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Quit: BBS
< 1443008648 318787 :gniourf!~gniourf@pdm-l03.insa-lyon.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443008711 528036 :bakatotest!b3b9aa9b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.179.185.170.155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :never liked that cartoon
< 1443008883 259248 :bakatotest!b3b9aa9b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.179.185.170.155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my question: what is the inharmonic sound naturally observed in geared device?
< 1443008914 384853 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the?
< 1443008928 928782 :bakatotest!b3b9aa9b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.179.185.170.155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CogNative Dissonance
< 1443008935 127602 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or do you speak of general resonance
< 1443008960 861717 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh haha
< 1443008966 16122 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats punny
< 1443008987 948763 :bakatotest!b3b9aa9b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.179.185.170.155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :really, if you look closely, the "a" and "i" are pretty far apart
< 1443009003 850702 :bakatotest!b3b9aa9b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.179.185.170.155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no way this could be a typo
< 1443009013 191608 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost as good as the question: why wont democrats ever go to mars?
< 1443009062 290793 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because its a red planet
< 1443009071 295353 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*drum hit*
< 1443009138 687651 :bakatotest!b3b9aa9b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.179.185.170.155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless xkcd 1530
< 1443009182 949938 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you kinda bummed about the double slit being solved?
< 1443009213 288355 :bakatotest!b3b9aa9b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.179.185.170.155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is not a problem, though
< 1443009235 714845 :bakatotest!b3b9aa9b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.179.185.170.155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you are close-minded
< 1443009263 378986 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lemme rephrase
< 1443009287 62396 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you kinda bummed they figured it out in a slightly different manner than was originally theorized?
< 1443009321 830030 :bakatotest!b3b9aa9b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.179.185.170.155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can you expect me to deduce what you mean from such a vague question
< 1443009352 576157 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh.. well i guess i assumed you had heard the news about it
< 1443009378 858908 :bakatotest!b3b9aa9b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.179.185.170.155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, the most important experiments turn out different than expected
< 1443009388 600584 :bakatotest!b3b9aa9b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.179.185.170.155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise how could science advance?
< 1443009398 138931 :bakatotest!b3b9aa9b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.179.185.170.155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope
< 1443009425 884714 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :its been chalked up to simple wave particle duality
< 1443009427 213304 :bakatotest!b3b9aa9b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.179.185.170.155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haven't reached Brazil yet, here we don't even have computers
< 1443009437 626341 :bakatotest!b3b9aa9b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.179.185.170.155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm typing this from my Iphone 6
< 1443009481 997917 :bakatotest!b3b9aa9b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.179.185.170.155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1443009493 595083 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was a little bummed, i really liked the quantum implications
< 1443009535 370027 :bakatotest!b3b9aa9b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.179.185.170.155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there is no "particle crossing both slits simultaneously to interfere with itself"?
< 1443009623 380640 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :im sure theoretically and possibly probability wise thats still sound
< 1443009637 158775 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just cant use the good ol double slit as evidence anymore
< 1443009641 421265 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*tear*
< 1443009656 752014 :bakatotest!b3b9aa9b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.179.185.170.155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, so it's a practical issue
< 1443009678 186589 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :afaik the math for foresaid is still there
< 1443009777 209595 :bakatotest!b3b9aa9b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.179.185.170.155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyways, GR >> QM
< 1443009807 679233 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i got a big problem with GR
< 1443009816 34622 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :recently aquired
< 1443009835 274909 :bakatotest!b3b9aa9b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.179.185.170.155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*acquired
< 1443009846 795755 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :im really disliking this whole heavy stuff on a blanket model
< 1443009896 432941 :bakatotest!b3b9aa9b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.179.185.170.155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops, gtg
< 1443009912 299583 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pz
< 1443009922 989244 :bakatotest!b3b9aa9b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.179.185.170.155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sudden disappearance*
< 1443009934 923530 :bakatotest!b3b9aa9b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.179.185.170.155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :** *suddenly disappears*
< 1443009952 254563 :bakatotest!b3b9aa9b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.179.185.170.155 QUIT :Quit: Page closed
< 1443010014 258468 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats secret code for "iphones dont have an irc app that has a background keepalive connection and the moment I move to another app I will disconnect"
< 1443010086 606210 :bakatotest!b3b9aa9b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.179.185.170.155 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443010107 664506 :bakatotest!b3b9aa9b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.179.185.170.155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but apparently not for long
< 1443010198 564015 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how was your safari?
< 1443010219 659014 :bakatotest_!b3b9aa9b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.179.185.170.155 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443010224 662780 :bakatotest!b3b9aa9b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.179.185.170.155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to circumvent this fact
< 1443010232 504790 :bakatotest!b3b9aa9b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.179.185.170.155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have many Iphones
< 1443010278 814116 :bakatotest!b3b9aa9b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.179.185.170.155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and log in simultaneously
< 1443010297 419457 :bakatotest!b3b9aa9b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.179.185.170.155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact, two for each chat room
< 1443010316 272657 :bakatotest!b3b9aa9b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.179.185.170.155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*iPhones
< 1443010334 211624 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems like an expensive venture for an irc dedicated device
< 1443010440 276415 :bakatotest!b3b9aa9b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.179.185.170.155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i value my irc-exploring apparatus
< 1443010458 602793 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparati*
< 1443010462 432417 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1443010464 49278 :bakatotest!b3b9aa9b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.179.185.170.155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope
< 1443010469 822128 :bakatotest!b3b9aa9b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.179.185.170.155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://english.stackexchange.com/questions/147989/what-is-the-proper-plural-form-of-apparatus
< 1443010493 720592 :bakatotest!b3b9aa9b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.179.185.170.155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ha! Got ya
< 1443010518 517862 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION pats you on the head, saying: there they're their, it'll be ok
< 1443010669 284310 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :somewhere theiyres a joke in that
< 1443010688 523272 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :alas, i must get back to work
< 1443010691 760520 :bakatotest!b3b9aa9b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.179.185.170.155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :funny thing
< 1443010703 491811 :bakatotest!b3b9aa9b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.179.185.170.155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i slept too much and lost two classes
< 1443010715 854234 :bakatotest!b3b9aa9b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.179.185.170.155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now im in the studying room waiting for the alarm
< 1443010716 875636 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl
< 1443010722 100306 :bakatotest!b3b9aa9b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.179.185.170.155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whose fault do you think this is?
< 1443010827 379761 :bakatotest!b3b9aa9b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.179.185.170.155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I hope you did get my irony, though)
< 1443010854 864650 :bakatotest!b3b9aa9b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.179.185.170.155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because you are such an insistent fella
< 1443011000 408184 :bakatotest!b3b9aa9b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.179.185.170.155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, not funny
< 1443011003 493763 :bakatotest!b3b9aa9b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.179.185.170.155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at all
< 1443011117 805789 :bakatotest!b3b9aa9b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.179.185.170.155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :good bye and ignore what I just said
< 1443011246 842092 :bakatotest_!b3b9aa9b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.179.185.170.155 QUIT :Quit: Page closed
< 1443011247 315672 :bakatotest!b3b9aa9b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.179.185.170.155 QUIT :Quit: Page closed
< 1443011638 591350 :bakatotest!b3b9aa9b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.179.185.170.155 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443011668 533275 :bakatotest!b3b9aa9b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.179.185.170.155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :who wants to talk about the art of puzzle solving?
< 1443011786 592344 :bakatotest!b3b9aa9b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.179.185.170.155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So there was a man who went into a bar
< 1443011942 291888 :bakatotest!b3b9aa9b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.179.185.170.155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :asking for some water. The barman  inspected him closely, then pointed him a gun. The man than thanked him and went out the bar happy.
< 1443012090 865089 :bakatotest!b3b9aa9b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.179.185.170.155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how come?
< 1443012347 721057 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1443012403 593899 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: help
< 1443012403 771847 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: i think this is used in the past?) because it is a
< 1443012519 914402 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( help, I cannot completely understand puzzles )
< 1443012566 300678 :bakatotest!b3b9aa9b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.179.185.170.155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can ask questions, like "was the man really thirsty", to help finding the answer
< 1443012805 343111 :bakatotest!b3b9aa9b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.179.185.170.155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :want a hint?
< 1443012980 592690 :bailey_m!b3b9aa9b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.179.185.170.155 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443013077 787808 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION idly wonders how old that particular lateral thinking puzzle is... several decades at least...
< 1443013277 441320 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443013320 460430 :bakatotest!b3b9aa9b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.179.185.170.155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :plot twist: The man was dead all along, and the barman was a medium who made he realize that
< 1443013350 904762 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443013903 594452 :bakatotest!b3b9aa9b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.179.185.170.155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :An original puzzle: What do these words have in common? THE INANIMATE HAM WILL HAVE ALL MY WINE, YET NEITHER FILM PANS IN LINE
< 1443013913 56092 :bakatotest!b3b9aa9b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.179.185.170.155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I gtg now
< 1443013935 88694 :bakatotest!b3b9aa9b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.179.185.170.155 QUIT :Quit: Page closed
< 1443013937 209455 :bailey_m!b3b9aa9b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.179.185.170.155 QUIT :Quit: Page closed
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< 1443014072 663 :bakatotest!b3b9aa9b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.179.185.170.155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :* FELT A LINE
< 1443014080 33616 :bakatotest!b3b9aa9b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.179.185.170.155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not pans in line
< 1443014093 252959 :bakatotest!b3b9aa9b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.179.185.170.155 QUIT :Client Quit
< 1443014132 816328 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they all have wovels!
< 1443014326 198033 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are all part of the same sentence 
< 1443014534 910382 :XorSwap!XorSwap@wpa-6-1483.cc.umanitoba.ca JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443015224 869011 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1443015238 207518 :XorSwap!XorSwap@wpa-6-1483.cc.umanitoba.ca QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1443015250 343153 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wpa-6-1483.cc.umanitoba.ca JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443016076 42916 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wpa-6-1483.cc.umanitoba.ca QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1443016092 253963 :XorSwap!XorSwap@wpa-6-1483.cc.umanitoba.ca JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443016199 146183 :XorSwap!XorSwap@wpa-6-1483.cc.umanitoba.ca QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1443016212 430394 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wpa-6-1483.cc.umanitoba.ca JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443017521 955479 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :All of those words are made up entirely of straight lines.
< 1443017899 117876 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ẊẋẌ
< 1443017900 246577 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+1E8A LATIN CAPITAL LETTER X WITH DOT ABOVE] [U+1E8B LATIN SMALL LETTER X WITH DOT ABOVE] [U+1E8C LATIN CAPITAL LETTER X WITH DIAERESIS]
< 1443018135 196444 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learning all the hiragana is easy. I've done it several times.
< 1443018186 408144 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wpa-6-1483.cc.umanitoba.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds
< 1443018696 718129 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving.
< 1443018897 65605 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wpa-6-1483.cc.umanitoba.ca JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443018897 282390 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wpa-6-1483.cc.umanitoba.ca QUIT :Client Quit
< 1443020032 74107 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Orlando14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44373&oldid=43801 5* 03Orlando 5* (-43) 10
< 1443020410 596486 :heddwch!heddwch@76.8.3.189 NICK :heddfwch
< 1443020887 394299 :MDream!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDude
< 1443020900 463053 :heddfwch!heddwch@76.8.3.189 NICK :heddwch
< 1443020963 804885 :aretecode!~aretecode@69.4.235.219 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1443022614 451072 :adu!~ajr@static-108-48-76-162.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443022884 860006 :FreeFull!~freefull@host165-120-17-0.range165-120.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443022908 459516 :FreeFull!~freefull@host165-120-17-0.range165-120.btcentralplus.com NICK :Guest71070
< 1443022964 163529 :Guest71070!~freefull@host165-120-17-0.range165-120.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Changing host
< 1443022964 341423 :Guest71070!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443023011 691893 :Guest71070!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover NICK :FreeFull
< 1443024434 552367 :bender|!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1443024522 126536 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm tempted to apply for the Haskell Prime Committee
< 1443025364 606777 :sc00fy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443025646 5549 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-83.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443026278 427885 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'd probably be better than certain candidates.
< 1443026554 944021 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is such a grouch.
< 1443026788 334552 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-83.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I add some SIMD support to the TVM?
< 1443026926 545165 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-83.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That would add Parallel Processing/asynch instructions, such as (in high-level assembly):    IN-PLACE IMMEDIATE ADD R[0..128] 5;    , which takes advantage of multiple cores to increase all registries from 0 to 128 by 1
< 1443027621 339689 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-83.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1443027898 394320 :atrapado!~atrapado@unaffiliated/atrapado JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443028425 294810 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-83.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443028790 599098 :sc00fy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1443029086 250397 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can you make quick-save/quick-restore with DOSBox?
< 1443029326 243842 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-83.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1443029548 261652 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-83.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443029870 884628 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@74-114-87-83.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443029977 287087 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-83.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1443029983 152250 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@74-114-87-83.dynamic.asdk12.org NICK :hppavilion[1]
< 1443029992 333480 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@2602:306:8039:e9e0:7139:aaf8:4b51:7443 QUIT :Quit: *bubbles away*
< 1443030623 997168 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I don't recall dosbox being able to do that
< 1443031233 90499 :sc00fy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443032401 949449 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@74-114-87-83.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443032579 840670 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-83.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1443032711 849690 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@74-114-87-83.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1443032712 66345 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443032720 895009 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-83.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443033063 849704 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-83.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1443033132 580200 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-83.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443033784 516856 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some MediaWiki sites (not only Wikipedia and their sister projects) do HTTPS only, but it is not a private message so I want to receive it in clear text so that MITM backup is possible.
< 1443033855 652780 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if it is a private email or something else that should be secure, there are much better ways than HTTPS to do it anyways. For one thing you should try to agree the keys in person if possible.
< 1443034414 631408 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The internet would save a lot of energy if they did not have to insist on HTTPS. (They could save even more energy if they don't even use HTML and use plain text instead, but that cannot always be used; nevertheless sometimes it can work)
< 1443034506 879510 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would the Internet really save that much energy?
< 1443034542 563976 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only some constant multiple, presumably.
< 1443034759 594679 :Gril_Emo!~canaima@186-94-124-72.genericrev.cantv.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443034776 599360 :Gril_Emo!~canaima@186-94-124-72.genericrev.cantv.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :holis :b
< 1443034783 441274 :Gril_Emo!~canaima@186-94-124-72.genericrev.cantv.net PART :#esoteric
< 1443035296 305517 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"On our production frontend machines, SSL/TLS accounts for less than 1% of the CPU load, less than 10 KB of memory per connection and less than 2% of network overhead." -Adam Langley, Google.
< 1443035404 783423 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember there being some discussion/speculation on how much electricity would be saved if Google switched to a black background.
< 1443035452 14569 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not as if Google cares about being extremely efficient there.
< 1443035452 945602 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that can be the client setting, if the user want black background they can put it themself black
< 1443035472 495165 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or any other colours/patterns they want for background)
< 1443035489 888926 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If Google changes it to black and the user does not want then user can change it back to white
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< 1443035595 207307 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't own any device without a backlight, or with a backlight but which would turn it down if the background is black
< 1443035680 892671 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will just turn off the monitor when not using it, although I use black background for xterm anyways (the system status bar is also black)
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< 1443036525 98455 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :From what I've read, many TFT displays (but not all) use more electricity for black than for white, but the backlight dominates the power consumption.
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< 1443037338 456323 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: no device without a blacklight? you're too old for calculators with non-color lcds?
< 1443037468 739462 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : s/old/young/ 
< 1443037502 998332 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Ok, I do have a calculator. Forgot about it
< 1443037509 496095 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't load google on my calculator though
< 1443037520 386859 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :  s/old/young/  
< 1443037543 124357 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, LCD screens usually let light through by default, and don't if an electric field is applied
< 1443037561 828096 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although it's possible to orient the polarising filters in a different way to have it the other way around
< 1443037616 805583 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: it's a bit more complicated. some black and white LCDs, mostly the ones used in book readers, are made such that they consume electricity for changing the image
< 1443037675 333359 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, in a mobile phone, if you have the blacklight off, the screen is often not updated, but that's not because of the tft, it's because of the cpu and grahpics chips use less power that way
< 1443037678 58988 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: There's also e-ink screens, which aren't LCDs at all
< 1443037683 488476 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :my monitor actually does switch off its backlight when the screen becomes all black (more of a nuisance than a feature, honestly... I'd prefer it to only do that when there's no signal...) but that's practically never going to happen with a browser window open, because of the window decoration.
< 1443037690 193064 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: not LCDs? hmm
< 1443037691 581410 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Also, it's not a blacklight, it's a backlight
< 1443037708 562509 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blacklight is ultraviolet
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< 1443038324 237389 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh! sorry, that was a typo, yes
< 1443038327 927619 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :backlight definitely
< 1443038378 767156 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :My monitor turns down the backlight occasionally.
< 1443038402 121960 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only notice it when getting an all-black screen, which noticeably darkens after a second or three.
< 1443038411 403506 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's more distracting than useful. But this is a crappy monitor.
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< 1443038432 292581 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Leaks light quite a lot, and the backlight strips are clearly visible on dark solid color regions (like black).
< 1443038436 440316 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yes, that's apparently a "feature" and selling point in some new led monitors, and can be very annoying: 
< 1443038484 699504 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure this isn't LED.
< 1443038485 917062 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've seen it only once in some monitor displaying some public information, which I've seen in the day during some sunlight, and when most of the screen was darker, the bright on dark text scrolling on the bottom became very dark and unreadable.
< 1443038525 928834 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're advertising it as an energy saving feature.
< 1443038540 821331 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've only noticed this doing that for the full-black screen, and it seems to take more like 5 seconds.
< 1443038555 239615 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And maybe 2 seconds to un-darken when the screen turns non-black.
< 1443038573 70738 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's pretty annoying if there's a black screen for a scene transition in a video or something.
< 1443038622 675237 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1443038635 976965 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, with leds at least the transition is much faster
< 1443038668 954623 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The tech specs don't mention this as a feature, unless it's the "Intelligent Auto: yes" line, which is a bit opaque (pun not intended).
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< 1443045189 152619 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: I see you've added more kanji, including 門 and 〇 which I mentioned specifically
< 1443045387 166609 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\helloren\! you're up to doing kanji?
< 1443045395 787944 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jhellonas!
< 1443045395 965937 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: yes, he's doing kanji now
< 1443045402 971052 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice.
< 1443045403 806828 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: http://www.orenwatson.be/fontdemo.htm
< 1443045406 896260 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@massages-loud
< 1443045407 74276 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :hkgit03 said 1d 10h 23m 15s ago: Opening the PDF in the topic worked. I remember reading that for the first time two years ago. I like it.
< 1443045434 63469 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443045439 232537 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask hkgit03 is it already at least two years old? damn, time flies like a banana...
< 1443045439 410555 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1443045489 784441 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :they do?
< 1443045515 112850 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION fruitly mapoles shachaf
< 1443045531 285064 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: you should use a bow for that hth
< 1443045535 412443 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently he even does Chinese characters that don't occur (much) in Japanese
< 1443045539 540135 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wilhelm tell style
< 1443045567 147611 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itym guillaume tell hth
< 1443045591 895105 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i immediately considered whether i should have said "william"
< 1443045603 863519 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i _do_ suspect he was german-speaking, though
< 1443045614 63050 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm maybe should check
< 1443045636 589570 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the language he spoke is certainly germane
< 1443045643 690454 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"in the four languages of Switzerland: German: Wilhelm Tell; French: Guillaume Tell; Italian: Guglielmo Tell; Romansh: Guglielm Tell"
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< 1443045750 79451 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other names mentioned in the tale do look distinctively german
< 1443045843 426926 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: um, but William Tell himself is Swiss, isn't he?
< 1443045914 557057 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: 「囲碁盤」の字を加えてください
< 1443045942 258418 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do these mean?  「 」
< 1443045990 854651 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: those are quotation marks
< 1443045992 425592 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-83.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443046045 102838 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :William, William, 威廉, and வில்லியம்.
< 1443046075 89302 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Weechat fails horribly at indic script rendering. not exactly surprised there.)
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< 1443046169 435865 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: you are aware that switzerland has four national languages, one of which is german, right?
< 1443046176 747913 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: sure
< 1443046192 978847 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, four? doesn't it have three?
< 1443046200 102393 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :swiss german, french, italian
< 1443046206 137681 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :one more hth
< 1443046217 575824 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :swiss, german, french, italian
< 1443046219 538072 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i count four hth
< 1443046228 583747 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats shachaf -----###
< 1443046238 788674 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway i was just wondering how he'd have called himself.
< 1443046251 375057 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably Bob.
< 1443046265 309709 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't there one missing?
< 1443046268 762860 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :um no
< 1443046280 814983 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"swiss german" as in german but very strangely pronounced
< 1443046291 866830 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like Australian English but worse than that
< 1443046293 96561 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do think so
< 1443046303 701727 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: i was just going for the swat hth
< 1443046361 466117 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about rhaeto-romance?
< 1443046363 783467 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :    \o_
< 1443046367 619382 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: hey you're the expert on this twh
< 1443046378 294348 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also idle for 6 days
< 1443046411 505726 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as far as i know, swiss tv has to send program in that language
< 1443046451 379893 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: maybe he's in the middle of saying one of those long German words, and won't be active until next month?
< 1443046462 463736 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :plausible.
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< 1443046508 315045 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aj, itks called romansh
< 1443046511 235254 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_of_Switzerland
< 1443046826 223049 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-83.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I figured out a primative for Event-Driven Programming
< 1443046840 892308 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*primitive
< 1443046854 332116 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :events.
< 1443046861 553989 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-83.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :primitive
< 1443046862 300624 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-83.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right
< 1443046872 185304 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-83.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: Nope.
< 1443046884 288055 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-83.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"goto  when 
< 1443046885 270532 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-83.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"
< 1443047076 346805 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-83.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"goto :mouseClicked when R[0]" where R[0] is programmed to be set to 1 when the mouse is clicked
< 1443047280 943248 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-83.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : walrus
< 1443047282 713892 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-83.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh
< 1443047283 734439 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-83.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Werid
< 1443047342 3180 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-83.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname? oerjan?
< 1443047373 274628 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong
< 1443047378 171297 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-83.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thank you
< 1443047391 528825 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-83.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So how is goto-when for event-oriented programming?
< 1443047393 546109 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION playing Loopy again
< 1443047404 366084 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-83.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/oriented/driven/
< 1443047497 26932 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you did an event loop
< 1443047529 971842 :atrapado!~atrapado@unaffiliated/atrapado QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1443047536 801751 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-83.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: I don't /think/ it's an event loop
< 1443047547 694310 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-83.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not like goto-if
< 1443047550 118586 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-83.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's goto-when
< 1443047573 802140 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is while(true) { goto-if } different from goto-when?
< 1443047682 856545 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-83.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: Well goto-when is a primative of event-driven control flow AFAICT, while while() is a non-primative of standard control flow
< 1443047712 98175 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-83.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, goto-when registers an event handler that is executed whenever it goes off
< 1443047724 160289 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-83.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's more like putting a goto-if between every single line of code
< 1443047735 490285 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-83.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it actually looks nice
< 1443047914 643257 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-83.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's basically an event handler with a more simple syntax
< 1443047925 367025 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-83.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And slightly different behavior
< 1443047938 300401 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depending on the event hopefully the compiler should be able to insert goto-if only where necessary
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< 1443048134 890567 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-83.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: mouseclicking.
< 1443048172 429529 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-83.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: It's a primative. You have an "RBO" or "register branch on" instruction built into the computer
< 1443048178 234813 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-83.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*primitive
< 1443048386 904940 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn A primative is a reference to a value that you were robbed of.
< 1443048401 546571 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'primative': A primative is a reference to a value that you were robbed of.
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< 1443048849 947333 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-83.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi adu
< 1443049278 244672 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
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< 1443050978 221856 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :those pesky primates, always being primative
< 1443051023 244057 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :still better than premature
< 1443051119 87634 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION primapoles myname
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< 1443052410 928594 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :im back
< 1443052458 297903 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :welc\omen\!
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< 1443052727 944968 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, I can add 囲碁盤 since I know what it means (the board for the game go)
< 1443052767 334165 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :盤 is one of the most complicated kanji I know
< 1443052791 52769 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :go is one great game
< 1443052858 30185 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :go is insane.
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< 1443052914 584697 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: you should also 鹽, because density.
< 1443053021 553744 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh, I dunno what that one means
< 1443053072 468679 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the traditional version of "salt".
< 1443053341 869241 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps go with 鬱?
< 1443053355 133688 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm curious how far you can go with you font metrics.
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< 1443053455 685814 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :easy, add a bunch of noise
< 1443053869 838014 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clearly all Asian languages should switch to hangul
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< 1443054205 570117 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hangul is cool, but I wouldn't be in this channel if I liked sensible standardization 
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< 1443054685 474630 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dhelloesthiswork!
< 1443054708 721013 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FrelloeFull, mynamello.
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< 1443054853 384541 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1443054866 295994 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443054906 423590 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is a very variable morpheme you're adding
< 1443054962 530799 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[he]llo
< 1443054978 947122 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :porthelloing people requires flexibility and complete disregard to common grammar courtesy.
< 1443055022 570291 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: he only added hell to my name
< 1443055465 316757 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: Hi
< 1443055683 639745 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDream
< 1443056357 605824 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can a situation be made up out of Magic: the Gathering cards where the colorful mana cost of a delve spell is removed?
< 1443056415 424425 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Hexadecimal Stacking Pseudo-Assembly Language14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44374&oldid=44220 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (+98) 10/* A (horribly slow) 16-bit Brainf*** interpreter */
< 1443056625 630424 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let me to see if I can figure out by myself, but anyone else who know answer can also answer
< 1443056768 234638 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had an idea for an esolang
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< 1443056786 157013 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's very abstract though and I don't know how to concretely define its behavior
< 1443056805 990568 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then what things do you know about it?
< 1443056901 463006 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: It's called analogy:simile ("Analogy is to simile")
< 1443056914 684464 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's based on, for lack of a better word AFAIK, analogy clauses
< 1443056930 632839 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They gave them to us when I was in 4th-5th grade, I think
< 1443056945 106755 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They were usually questions that looked like this:
< 1443056961 995169 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :triangle:shape::red:_____
< 1443056977 287496 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :("Triangle is to Shape as red is to what?")
< 1443057016 187283 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :color
< 1443057024 617516 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION solves all the quizzes
< 1443057129 885533 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does anyone know what those things are called?
< 1443057171 673285 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :analogies?
< 1443057213 322202 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They are, but I have a feeling they have a more specific name
< 1443057221 993610 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Analogy clauses perhaps?
< 1443057296 447575 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds like a very interesting language.  
< 1443057347 155599 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you come up with some examples of things you could do with it?
< 1443057349 658042 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well
< 1443057365 357735 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't find what it's called (or even a wiki article on it)
< 1443057373 29254 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : are you kinda bummed about the double slit being solved? <-- * me is kinda bummed that no one in the log discussion provided a link to wth this is about
< 1443057375 936603 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm calling it an "Analogy Clause"
< 1443057404 37885 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1443057487 234780 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesthiswork: I think that, in my current idea, it'd be based on OO and machine learning
< 1443057496 724255 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would use Pybrain to implement it, most likely
< 1443057512 666951 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The implementation doesn't really matter yet.
< 1443057514 155857 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analogy#Identity_of_relation calls them "analogy questions" including the quotes
< 1443057517 132823 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't
< 1443057560 34633 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and Aristotelian format
< 1443057563 553951 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am curious to see some handwavy example programs
< 1443057638 75575 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well
< 1443057651 239177 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could do some uber-tentative BNF
< 1443057685 107410 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :x:5::12:13 might be a way to set x to 4
< 1443057708 819333 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or to 5-(1/12)
< 1443057717 914037 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or to a million other possible things
< 1443057728 81672 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesthiswork: Basically, do you know Haskell's infinite list notation?
< 1443057734 563051 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1443057767 245949 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Imagine if someone put too much effort into making it so that could recognize the Fibonacci sequence or a million other sequences automagically
< 1443057782 216757 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that is basically the core feature of this language if it follows my current idea set
< 1443057801 252394 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :[1, 1, 2, 3..]
< 1443057810 7131 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :[1, 2, 4, 8..]
< 1443057815 681703 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@oeis 1, 2, 4, 8
< 1443057825 770971 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it would always choose the simplest sequence)
< 1443057832 206967 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's with lambdabot 
< 1443057833 127137 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plugin `oeis' failed with: <>
< 1443057843 925210 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@oeis 1,2,4,8
< 1443057844 700433 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Powers of 2: a(n) = 2^n.[1,2,4,8,16,32,64,128,256,512,1024,2048,4096,8192,16...
< 1443057845 859181 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :X:0::+:1::*:2::^:3
< 1443057861 358359 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh?
< 1443057872 580378 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooooh
< 1443057875 378551 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hyperoperations
< 1443057877 771338 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hopefully that would derive zeration
< 1443057888 307395 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zeration?
< 1443057888 485853 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :@oeis 1,2,4,8,16,31
< 1443057890 239418 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Pentanacci numbers: a(n) = a(n-1)+a(n-2)+a(n-3)+a(n-4)+a(n-5), a(0)=a(1)=a(2...
< 1443057915 134493 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :@oeis 1,2,4,8,16,33
< 1443057916 646737 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Generalized Catalan numbers: a(n+1) = a(n) + Sum_{k=2..n-1} a(k)a(n-1-k).[1,...
< 1443057951 678982 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-150-186.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@oeis 1,2,4,8,15,32
< 1443057953 214838 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Factorial splitting: write n! = x*y*z with x im really disliking this whole heavy stuff on a blanket model <-- you'll be happy to know that's not really part of GR then, but a ridiculously oversimplifying analogy that GR experts also hate hth
< 1443058163 979816 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1443058165 911356 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zeration, that is
< 1443058193 691160 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :similar but with some odd twists
< 1443058356 450599 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesthiswork: Such as?
< 1443058381 544734 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://math.eretrandre.org/tetrationforum/showthread.php?tid=122
< 1443058455 433199 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is the successor function only takes one argument
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< 1443058681 349058 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : http://english.stackexchange.com/questions/147989/what-is-the-proper-plural-form-of-apparatus <-- huh the top answer to that question is by peter shor.  yes, that one.
< 1443058858 684230 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Someone should define "Zhₙ(a, b) ∀(n, a, b) ∋ ℂ" where "Zhₙ(a, b)" is an extended hyperoperation function
< 1443058959 132846 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :)
< 1443058968 874626 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see I've left you all in a speechless terror
< 1443059028 464333 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: being a famous personality does not help to resist the power of the Hot Network Questions link box.
< 1443059049 839497 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just be cald I said ℂ instead of ℍ
< 1443059055 176734 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*glad
< 1443059261 555858 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :is R[X]/(X^2 + 1) equivalent to the complex numbers
< 1443059264 920199 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I vote that we make up a fictional Mathemetician and attribute all humorous mathematical "discoveries" we make on this channel to him
< 1443059277 120983 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mauris: I have no idea
< 1443059277 299094 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :he also had an interesting comment on a later answer, did you know "syllabus" comes from an ancient misspelling?
< 1443059284 170103 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weird
< 1443059298 235766 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can I choose the mathemetician's surname?
< 1443059320 829029 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can only conclude peter shor knows his latin.
< 1443059322 165254 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait
< 1443059328 718081 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's mathametician. Or is it?
< 1443059343 780548 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't spell words that sound too hambiguous xD
< 1443059371 267967 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :math e mat ician
< 1443059396 20005 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sheesh
< 1443059399 65179 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah
< 1443059401 311849 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry!
< 1443059423 659284 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, i was right!
< 1443059445 15957 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :about the quotient ring thingy. but also about how to spell mathematician imo
< 1443059446 249533 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :English isn't my strongest subject (hence the fact that I had to rephrase the previous sentence so I could spell it properly)
< 1443059485 222038 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So can we have our own Patrom  Math e mat ician?
< 1443059489 78422 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Patron
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< 1443059497 795109 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: well bourbaki and bovik are taken hth
< 1443059500 449115 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi, adu!
< 1443059516 187198 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :should start with "bow"
< 1443059536 627901 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was going to make his last name "Notta", famous for his "Notta Number Systems", a set of number systems where n/0 is defined
< 1443059538 994438 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD
< 1443059582 560233 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though we could do mauris's idea, too
< 1443059621 691143 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-150-186.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: That latin plural question reminded me of the thing where in German sometimes to form the plural of foreign words like that, we strip off the ending and then add a German plural ending -en.
< 1443059661 49013 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: well norwegian does that with e.g. "museum" -> "museer"
< 1443059688 616198 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it's not that common, though.
< 1443059700 44600 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So what is Mdr. Notta's first name?
< 1443059706 163333 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…
< 1443059710 295221 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: hi
< 1443059717 367890 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: again
< 1443059754 60940 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-150-186.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Museum → Museen, but the one that prompted my reminding was Stadion → Stadien
< 1443059756 12254 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :adu: I'm trying to get the channel a fictional mathematician to which we will attribute all our humorous mathematical "discoveries" if we want to
< 1443059790 40666 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a mathematitian
< 1443059805 243434 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cool
< 1443059805 422023 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: Hedwig hth
< 1443059812 716196 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in honor of Euler, I would recommend "Sir Oily"
< 1443059822 826655 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Hedwig Notta? That works
< 1443059835 768232 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly for the final -ig
< 1443059864 360000 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sir Oilly was a mathematician who lived on the moon, who invented the calculus of emotions, which has been very useful in pre-crime investigations
< 1443059869 574451 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1443059894 709775 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What should his birthyear be (pleasebeacomplexnumberpleasebeacomplexnumberpleasebeacomplexnumber)
< 1443059900 478510 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1443059904 103110 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1443059924 523402 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :1963 1/4
< 1443059931 517872 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That works too :,(
< 1443059945 376525 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably 2025 + sqrt(-2)
< 1443059950 77848 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-150-186.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :“Apparat” doesn’t have the ending in the first place, and thus takes an -e plural. “Status” is so rarely pluralized, it takes a Latin plural, meaning it stays “Status”.
< 1443060035 557042 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or even better: (-4000000)^(1/4)
< 1443060067 291627 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means he could have been born in any one of 8 places in the complex time-plane
< 1443060150 437329 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or perhaps the calculation should be based on J2000
< 1443060177 585243 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :J2000 + (-4)^(1/4) microseconds
< 1443060270 247164 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What did his poor, farming family farm for a living?
< 1443060295 362860 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oooo, it would have to be bitcoins
< 1443060299 631256 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah yes
< 1443060301 777137 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bitcoins
< 1443060413 663015 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's root(-1, 3)?
< 1443060421 240565 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also complex
< 1443060438 678190 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's a boring one because 1 of the roots is -1
< 1443060516 813929 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and one day, he accidentally planted an J2EE seed, and got a giant J2EEBeanStock in his backyard
< 1443060612 630241 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and rediscovered lambda calculus, not to be famous, or get into the Turing/Church prodecural/function debates, but because we was stuck in his house, and wanted to go outside to get a new 802.11ac router
< 1443060688 441648 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Hppavilion1/Hedwig Notta14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=44375 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+919) 10Created Page (in user namespace for safety)
< 1443060713 572486 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :adu: You can go edit the page in my user namespace
< 1443060786 255659 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1443060807 528078 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Hppavilion1/Hedwig Notta14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44376&oldid=44375 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+5) 10Added Mdr. prefix to introductory paragraph (should it be bold?)
< 1443060820 755076 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :adu: By that I mean you /should/ edit the page
< 1443060858 819158 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Are you the one who came up with @?
< 1443061131 277598 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No
< 1443061135 609410 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was Sgeo
< 1443061344 549866 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443061350 512651 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : All of those words are made up entirely of straight lines. <-- except for NEITHER hth
< 1443061361 119352 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :os
< 1443061394 227117 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to assume that the inclusion of R was an error.
< 1443061414 854816 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :definitely the kind of puzzle you should check programmatically.  like writing a novel without E
< 1443061423 935017 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right.
< 1443061426 369772 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you could also remove the keycap)
< 1443061440 315959 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :As everyone knows, writing a novel without E is effectively impossible without a typewriter.
< 1443061454 494237 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh
< 1443061496 738247 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Errr.
< 1443061499 889730 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to re-say that.
< 1443061505 756200 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Hppavilion1/Hedwig Notta14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44377&oldid=44376 5* 0373.133.129.229 5* (+1022) 10
< 1443061507 183722 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ignore the above three lines and this line.
< 1443061513 160128 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: I wrote a little bit
< 1443061514 719273 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :As everyone knows, writing a novel without E is effectively impossible with a typewriter.
< 1443061671 2255 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : fizzie: Are you the one who came up with @? <-- i thought that was elliott
< 1443061685 703665 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thank you, adu
< 1443061702 702971 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: It was Sgeo. I have it documented. Not sure if elliott == Sgeo.
< 1443061731 448477 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw hedwig is a female name but e's a Mdr. anyway so who knows
< 1443061735 11563 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: it's not perfect, but I think it's funny enough for a first draft
< 1443061736 736330 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott !+ Sgeo
< 1443061739 413991 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :err !=
< 1443061746 420839 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep
< 1443061752 483339 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, maybe we're thinking of different @s?
< 1443061757 538637 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1443061775 348708 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mine is the one where |x| is redefined such that |a + b@| = |a| - |b|
< 1443061776 408516 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: |@| = -1 in Sgeo's system
< 1443061798 14263 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's @?
< 1443061805 271311 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: A number
< 1443061812 595744 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's... I guess it's a number such that |@| = -1.
< 1443061817 154485 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it's for metadoctor
< 1443061837 700527 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: i was thinking of elliott's OS
< 1443061842 799503 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote vapo
< 1443061855 403385 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :446)  sllide: @ is an OS made out of only the finest vapour
< 1443061863 977712 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's see. For a complex number z = a + bi, with a and b real, a^2 + b^2 = |z|^2.
< 1443061879 437290 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Hppavilion1/Hedwig Notta14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44378&oldid=44377 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+29) 10Sectionized discoveries
< 1443062122 92239 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Hppavilion1/Hedwig Notta14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44379&oldid=44378 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+5) 10tense spacing
< 1443062898 546562 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you do when you're op in a channel and people start talking about off topic things but they're not interrupting any other discussion because there was none?
< 1443063052 196295 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That doesn't seem a problem to me in most cases
< 1443063130 584714 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're ranging from politics to bsdm to cracking systems
< 1443063299 912279 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If nobody has any on topic things to write about at the current moment then at least I don't care; but others may have different opinion
< 1443063465 458075 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett, at least, |a| + |b| >= |a + b| no longer holds
< 1443063566 179914 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Yes, and I expect that would make it to be not a metric, isn't it? Then why do they call it a metric?
< 1443063612 644748 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I called it a metric. It's possible that it was a metric before but my redefinition (which is really the only 'legitimate' way to do this, I'm guessing) makes it not a metric anymore
< 1443063615 972317 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: ais523 has some opinions on that, as i recall.
< 1443063617 408719 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is your definition of |x| ?
< 1443063632 168720 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: on politics or bsdm?
< 1443063643 440608 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, he tries to defuse disturbing discussions
< 1443063653 893906 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :those subjects probably qualify
< 1443063663 42031 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera, if there is no @, then |x| = abs(x). Else, |a + b@| = |a| - |b|
< 1443063688 940637 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least, unless that definition of |x| has an inconsistency, then we go back to only knowing that |@| = -1
< 1443063698 317274 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh you posted it a few messages ago
< 1443063769 808354 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i believe there have been people who left this channel because they found some of the political discussions disturbing.
< 1443063787 200777 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :we've got less of those discussions these days, i think
< 1443063827 510470 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :|0+1@|  ==  |0| - |1@|  ==  1
< 1443063863 782042 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: that can't work
< 1443063870 191614 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :? Why isn't it |0| - |1|? Or, why are you saying you can do |0| - |1@| ?
< 1443063871 187186 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless -1 is 1 of course
< 1443063874 859523 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: That doesn't seem Sgeo's definition?
< 1443063876 914385 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1443063879 874899 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm stupid
< 1443063895 662596 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :<.<
< 1443063913 444239 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :in my defense it's 5am
< 1443063957 82279 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: hm your @ looks a bit similar to minkowski metric
< 1443063968 856723 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait
< 1443063975 79708 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that involves squaring
< 1443064169 783912 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is |@ + @| ?
< 1443064282 636974 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :-2
< 1443064321 793500 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's entirely non obvious
< 1443064379 351767 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: 2@
< 1443064386 240972 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1443064389 584401 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :|2@|=-2
< 1443064390 229759 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :|x| is real
< 1443064397 663814 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i+i=2i
< 1443064402 130984 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So @+@=2@
< 1443064440 452177 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's  |e^(@*pi)| ?
< 1443064500 407370 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how to ^@
< 1443064527 981816 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then try to figure out how
< 1443064544 856117 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :e^x is exp(x) which is 1 + x + x^2 / 2! + x^3 / 3! + ...
< 1443064567 277162 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :|a@| == -a ?
< 1443064578 635703 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: Yes
< 1443064591 644869 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I imagine @^2 = 1
< 1443064622 784136 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1443064633 606920 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: What do you think?
< 1443064651 644126 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think hyperbolic functions are applicable somehow
< 1443064674 355207 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :|@@| = - |@| = 1
< 1443064707 618533 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1443064758 361537 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull, that seems useful
< 1443064762 747230 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The exp(x) thing
< 1443064788 378773 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :e
< 1443064801 606749 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Yeah, it's how matrix exponentiation is generalised for example
< 1443064822 29605 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm I think |e^@| = e^-1 ?
< 1443064823 77131 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or the justification for how exponentiation works in the complex numbers
< 1443064847 834315 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I don't think so
< 1443064862 942820 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or hmmm
< 1443064908 51690 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let me actually calculate it
< 1443064963 244517 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :So as I was saying...
< 1443065028 553411 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'd say |x| is naturally treated as a multivalued function, having y as a value if and only if it has -y as a value.
< 1443065034 793206 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :And having at most two values.
< 1443065052 644786 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you look at it this way, then |x| = -1 just means the same thing as |x| = 1.
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< 1443065199 25194 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :The graph of the absolute value function looks like a cone; the shape becomes more elegant if you extend it to a double cone.
< 1443065205 553640 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I can define "becomes more elegant" precisely.
< 1443065256 891567 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. A double cone is the graph of the equation x^2 + y^2 = z^2.
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< 1443065264 611795 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :A cone is no such thing.
< 1443065289 34760 :fowl!fowl@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-hfvwzvgasvkdabgn PART #esoteric :"Leaving"
< 1443065290 790586 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: e^@ = cosh(1) + @*sinh(1)
< 1443065345 187411 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :cosh(1) - sinh(1) = e^-1
< 1443065348 555512 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Seems you were right
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< 1443065398 929888 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull, I was looking at your expansion, where each x is, when ||ed a -
< 1443065410 962517 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't understand hyperbolic trig though
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< 1443065466 150212 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :sinh and cosh are pretty simple. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperbolic_function
< 1443065483 992373 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're just (e^x ± e^-x)/2.
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< 1443065537 314527 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :So we have a pretty trivial identity e^x = cosh x + sinh x, meaning that e^@ = cosh @ + sinh @.
< 1443065596 400180 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, I think the way I'd handle this is to say that every complex number besides 0 has two variants, one whose absolute value is positive and one whose absolute value is negative.
< 1443065624 463181 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then the question is how to extend arithmetic appropriately.
< 1443065635 665100 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, |e^@| = |e^(-1)|
< 1443065652 879368 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could define @ as the variant of 1 whose absolute value is negative.
< 1443065701 479892 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett, is this different from adding a boolean dimension to the complex numbers?
< 1443065731 766507 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, under my scheme, 0 only has the one variant.
< 1443065810 989411 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm imagining multiplication being such that @^2 = 1.
< 1443065838 628009 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Yes, we've established @*@ = 1 too
< 1443065883 999793 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you decided that @ is negative?
< 1443065911 7792 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember establishing @@=1
< 1443065915 876400 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just that |@@| = 1
< 1443065932 383418 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is i considered positive?
< 1443065934 995160 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Ok, it hasn't been formally proven
< 1443065937 366395 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :i is not positive.
< 1443065958 690270 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I guess negative i is not negative?
< 1443065958 882895 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how this compares to a Clifford algebra with e1² = 1
< 1443065960 669523 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This amuses me.
< 1443065981 643819 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull, I wish I knew what that meant
< 1443065996 195568 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I wish that too
< 1443066030 175105 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, negative negative one isn't negative, either.
< 1443066092 769552 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :For convenience, I'm gonna abbreviate the sign of the absolute value of a number as its SAV.
< 1443066120 651615 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :The ordinary numbers we're used to are (with the exception of 0) positive-SAV numbers.
< 1443066137 618522 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Each positive-SAV number has a counterpart which is a negative-SAV number, and vice versa.
< 1443066204 68655 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can switch between these two counterparts by multiplying by @, which is simply the negative-SAV counterpart of 1.
< 1443066217 408487 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Multiplication is still associative and commutative, and @^2 = 1.
< 1443066230 661476 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 is neither positive-SAV nor negative-SAV, since its absolute value is 0.
< 1443066235 916731 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :This tells you how to do multiplication.
< 1443066253 804436 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :As for how to do addition?
< 1443066293 770178 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel comfortable saying this much: the sum of two positive-SAV numbers is the expected positive-SAV number and the sum of two negative-SAV numbers is the expected negative-SAV number. The sum of 0 with any number is that number.
< 1443066313 605048 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :The case I'm leaving undefined is the sum of a positive-SAV number and a negative-SAV number.
< 1443066365 185357 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I justified @^2 = 1 by thinking about |x|^2 = x^2
< 1443066371 375774 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although that's not really a proof
< 1443066405 405671 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's because I was previously thinking about polynomials where x^2 gets replaced with |x|
< 1443066423 138957 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :|x|^2 = x^2 doesn't hold for imaginary numbers.
< 1443066433 519514 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :x^3 becomes x|x| and so on
< 1443066437 188815 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think |a + b@| = |a| - |b| is also something that seemed to fit, was thinking about squaring I think
< 1443066446 122895 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Ah, good point
< 1443066448 169837 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should be in the logs somewhere
< 1443066485 707134 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 + @ is a zero-SAV number that is not equal to 0
< 1443066538 617080 :doesthiswork1!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you prove that it doesn't equal zero?
< 1443066550 995268 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :So |10 + 3@| is 7?
< 1443066578 985785 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett, yes, assuming we accept my above definition, which I don't think has any blatant problems so is there a reason not to?
< 1443066600 274269 :doesthiswork1!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(1+@)^2 = 1+2@+@@
< 1443066601 362241 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 + @ = 0; 1 = -@; -1 = @;
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< 1443066616 665390 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :This means that |10 + 3i@| is also 7.
< 1443066648 560087 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which definitely doesn't sit well with me.
< 1443066678 798358 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why are you bringing i into this?
< 1443066684 928199 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I'm not sure what the problem is? |i| = 1
< 1443066695 553201 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, |10 + 3i| isn't 13.
< 1443066700 606922 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!
< 1443066704 622282 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good point, hmm
< 1443066729 366987 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think we can chuck i in just like that
< 1443066730 370353 :doesthiswork1!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would |10 + 3i@|  be 7?
< 1443066748 779363 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :|a + b@| = |a| - |b|
< 1443066750 991233 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :|10 + 3i@| = |10| - |3i| = 10 - 3 = 7
< 1443066780 166905 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think @ is orthogonal to i, so it's ok
< 1443066802 54715 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a funny sort of orthogonality.
< 1443066805 502955 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Both a and b can be separate complex numbers
< 1443066810 519517 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders what @ is...
< 1443066816 852496 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :zgrep: don't we all.
< 1443066829 761789 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :zgrep: A fancy new number with a negative magnitude
< 1443066833 418002 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: now, what would justify |a + b@| = |a| - |b|?
< 1443066837 602895 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: I know for a fact, that I do quite profusely.
< 1443066845 519303 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/,//
< 1443066862 67332 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems like an extension of the rule that |a + b| = |a| + |b|, but that rule isn't actually true.
< 1443066866 777928 :doesthiswork1!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had thought that the absolute value of i was i
< 1443066869 851952 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zgrep, a number such that |@| = -1, alternatively, a system in which || is redefined to allow for |@| = -1
< 1443066874 580247 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope, |i| is 1.
< 1443066910 772696 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: |a + b@| isn't the same as |a + b| though
< 1443066911 982861 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett, I think it's clear though that |a + b| <= |a| + |b| without @, but breaks when @ is introduced
< 1443066913 662219 :doesthiswork1!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh,yes
< 1443066915 674841 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know, I had a thought just now.
< 1443066939 496423 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Just as |a + bi| isn't the same as |a + b|
< 1443066967 660366 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still don't see any justification for |a + b@| = |a| - |b|.
< 1443066972 736092 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull, the thing is with |a + bi| you don't just add or subtract, it involves squaring and square roots
< 1443067000 558014 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :In any case, define a transconic number as a pair (z,v) where z is a complex number and v is a real number.
< 1443067008 631442 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Here we aren't just adding or subtracting either, it involves the magnitudes of the components
< 1443067014 610612 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :The absolute value of (z,v) is v.
< 1443067070 262473 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This seems like it might admit more numbers than the @ system
< 1443067076 248936 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :The transconic numbers are an extension of the complex numbers; the complex number z corresponds to the transconic number (z,|z|).
< 1443067089 774305 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ is (1,-1).
< 1443067113 762529 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Multiplication just goes elementwise: (z,v) * (z',v') is (z*z', v*v').
< 1443067126 280090 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Do you get the identity exp(@x) = cosh(x) + @*sinh(x) from this?
< 1443067155 551737 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: it's not obvious to me where that identity comes from.
< 1443067181 794658 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: taylor expansions of exp, cosh and sinh around 0
< 1443067200 626192 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :And @^2 = 1
< 1443067200 817106 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if you get that identity or not.
< 1443067206 520966 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett, that identity does rely on |b@| = -|b| I think
< 1443067234 43608 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just relies on @^2 = 1 I think
< 1443067244 179991 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if b is 3i@?
< 1443067280 345167 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :|10 + 3i| = |10 + 3i@^2| = |10| - |3i@| = |10| + |3i|
< 1443067299 462789 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, the question regarding these "transconic numbers" is how to do addition.
< 1443067314 558120 :doesthiswork1!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if @^2=1 |(1+@)|=0
< 1443067338 73157 :doesthiswork1!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :woop |(1+@)^2|=0
< 1443067340 397736 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A bit distracted by work related phone call right now
< 1443067353 434026 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :What we would kind of like to say is that (z,v) + (y,w) is (z+y, v+w).
< 1443067374 556363 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :The z+y part is indeed what I want, but adding two numbers doesn't generally add their absolute values.
< 1443067404 27328 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not all transconic numbers can take the form a+b@, I believe
< 1443067404 793822 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION imagines what a ((work related phone) call) would be like... a sort-of... formal ringing?
< 1443067435 893332 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :A call, whether business or personal, placed on a company-owned phone?
< 1443067451 814685 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes that is what I thought too
< 1443067464 423122 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: That's a (work related)(phone call).
< 1443067472 548403 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :What happens if we want another number, %, where |%| = i ?
< 1443067524 438091 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Oh... maybe not.
< 1443067534 8382 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lemme see. What's the formula for |a + b| given |a|, |b|, and the required extra info?
< 1443067562 730135 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What happens if we try to do it geometrically?
< 1443067568 334011 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is related to the law of cosines.
< 1443067575 359300 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :zgrep: I thought a (work related)(phone call) would be a call discussing work, so normally business but it might not necessarily be (it could be a personal call where someone ask you how long until you are home from work I suppose, but I am not sure if it count actually)
< 1443067577 533111 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does |a + b| count as required extra info?
< 1443067586 388940 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, @ defines a third dimension, such that going along the dimension negates instead of adds to the distance?
< 1443067592 836100 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Yeah, I realized that after a few seconds.
< 1443067616 762037 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite a few of them.
< 1443067617 670808 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :If we're talking just about real numbers, you could do a formula with some trouble, I think
< 1443067618 506185 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: that's more or less what I'm doing.
< 1443067672 357666 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :signum(a) and signum(b) would be required extra info, I believe
< 1443067678 656381 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's different, your additional dimension is the actual absolute value, where mine only contributes differently
< 1443067700 954382 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, I think the equation I want is |a + b|^2 = |a|^2 + |b|^2 - |2ab| cos(gamma).
< 1443067706 363637 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :|a+bi+c@| = sqrt(a^2 + b^2 - c^2) ?
< 1443067711 439386 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where gamma is the relevant angle.
< 1443067751 858704 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :cos(gamma) is, I think, the real part of the signum of a/b.
< 1443067767 225980 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm I don't know what to do with |i@|
< 1443067784 818100 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait didn't I break that sqrt approach once before in the logs?
< 1443067793 62303 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, that can't be right...
< 1443067819 289107 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :D'oh. That certainly can be right.
< 1443067841 992092 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh right sqrt is usually defined as positive
< 1443067864 345906 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PART #esoteric :"Error -15: Teleporter malfunction."
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< 1443067894 772330 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :We need an actual mathematician
< 1443067902 831870 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay. |a + b|^2 = |a|^2 + |b|^2 - |2ab| Real(Sgn(a/b)).
< 1443067924 46857 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :actual mathematician here. what's the emergency?
< 1443067928 132452 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :|a + b@| = sqrt(a^2) -  (sqrt(a^2 + b^2) - sqrt(a^2))
< 1443067928 592979 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :This implies that |a + b| = sqrt(|a|^2 + |b|^2 - |2ab| Real(Sgn(a/b))).
< 1443067938 420491 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: do you have published research?
< 1443067947 162202 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: not published, but I have an approved thesis
< 1443067961 338524 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :|a + b@| = 2a - sqrt(a^2 + b^2), does this make sense as reasonable?
< 1443067961 849341 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :A PhD thesis?
< 1443067977 395006 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :busy right now will run some numbers through that later
< 1443067979 728291 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :So the question for my thing is, of course, which square root?
< 1443068135 582088 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Instead of sqrt(a^2 + b^2)
< 1443068142 828151 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's have |a + bi|
< 1443068166 953793 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull, equiv. and makes it more intuitive, ty
< 1443068182 29041 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait no still not intuitive
< 1443068249 63224 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need sleep
< 1443068269 823601 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The idea is that I'm capturing the extent that the dimension contributes to distance, and negating it
< 1443068289 731447 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might turn out that the answer is "the obvious one".
< 1443068316 46014 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :In any case, I have an addition formula now. It's horrible, but it exists.
< 1443068319 173850 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's...
< 1443068361 7176 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :(z,v) + (y,w) = (z+y, sqrt(v^2 + w^2 - 2vw Real(Sign(z/y))))
< 1443068417 247373 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a weird one
< 1443068429 501506 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup.
< 1443068443 445960 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the icky thing is, I don't know how to determine which square root you use.
< 1443068451 392726 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :All we need now is someone to prove all of this mess inconsistent
< 1443068476 945756 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :My stuff is undoubtedly inconsistent with some axioms obeyed by the complex numbers, but it's consistent per se.
< 1443068512 68754 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if we want |%| = i ?
< 1443068542 230619 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would hypothetically be (1,i).
< 1443068560 105291 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'm currently not permitting the v part to be non-real.
< 1443068649 933844 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are our defintions similar or different? They look different, can we put some numbers in?
< 1443068681 175975 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Per mine, |1+@| = 2 - sqrt(2) = I have no idea if that's sane
< 1443068711 89185 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Per yours, |1+@| = sqrt(0 - 0) = 0
< 1443068774 228002 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Per mine, |1+@| is the absolute value of 1 + @ = (1,1) + (1,-1) = (2, sqrt(1^2 + (-1)^2 - 2(1)(-1) Real(Sign(1/1))))...
< 1443068831 79637 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that square root is sqrt(1 + 1 + 2), or 2.
< 1443068840 414142 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443068842 515631 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi
< 1443068849 54777 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :So the answer is (2, 2), except I don't have a basis for choosing whether it's 2 or -2.
< 1443068864 658704 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :So 1 + @ is undecided between 2 and -2.
< 1443068880 37070 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd prohibit that sum.
< 1443068886 326035 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: So, you're not going with |1+@| = 0 any more?
< 1443068889 103823 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rather, it's undecided between 2 and 2@.
< 1443068914 473383 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 -> (1, 1)?
< 1443068926 587300 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. In general, z -> (z, |z|)
< 1443068939 930193 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Err... where?
< 1443068941 379784 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ζ=1/0
< 1443068951 85068 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone want to go on a long, rambling discussion about that?
< 1443068955 683662 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD
< 1443068966 397422 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It equals -1/0, hth
< 1443068966 967977 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: sure. That discussion is called "projective algebraic geometry".
< 1443068982 623929 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Wait, that's a thing?
< 1443069011 432152 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull, I don't think so
< 1443069035 677473 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, projective algebraic geometry involves adding points that are essentially located at 1/0.
< 1443069041 594934 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ζ is the notta constant in this case
< 1443069043 384846 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh
< 1443069045 394104 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's cheating
< 1443069046 95437 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD
< 1443069049 913253 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Notta
< 1443069052 137718 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett, are -1/0 and 1/0 equivalent in projective algebraic geometry?
< 1443069061 552643 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nζ=n/0
< 1443069067 991872 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Real_projective_line
< 1443069082 654144 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Projective algebraic geometry doesn't really treat 1/0 as a number.
< 1443069105 559139 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the projective version of the real line (which is the thing FreeFull just linked) does have a number 1/0, which is the same as -1/0.
< 1443069118 900975 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm...
< 1443069126 457670 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should call it a point instead of a number.
< 1443069137 910707 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: |#|=i
< 1443069151 700165 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is also the complex projective line
< 1443069165 7937 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which also has a single point at infinity
< 1443069174 406751 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, I presume, the quaternionical projective line?
< 1443069184 628609 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's (*)+(√)
< 1443069186 993582 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: that's also called the Riemann sphere, isn't it?
< 1443069202 427241 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :We should make an Algebra of Operations xD
< 1443069207 970065 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which defines operations on operations
< 1443069213 260666 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Yes
< 1443069218 614017 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :|x+@| = 0 in my system, 2x - sqrt(x^2 + 1) = 0; 2x = sqrt(x^2 + 1), 4x^2 = x^2 + 1; 4x^2 - x^2 - 1 = 0; 3x^2 - 1 = 0; 3x^2 = 1; x^2 = 1/3; x= 1/sqrt(3) ?!?!?
< 1443069245 982096 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Well i! equals some weird shit, so... that's fine, really
< 1443069254 745731 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: there are a lot of ways to do that.
< 1443069258 856821 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, say... lambda calculus.
< 1443069260 735599 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or Haskell.
< 1443069269 899655 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: That doesn't make sense, * is dyadic and √ is monadic
< 1443069282 376506 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: Exactly. The Algebra of Operations
< 1443069308 242617 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Haskell is cheating. λ-calc is too, maybe
< 1443069325 624805 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can we prove that we can have |a + b@| have different definitions that are each individually consistent with themselves?
< 1443069332 259901 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What should the metaoperations be?
< 1443069340 265533 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :What makes it cheating?
< 1443069360 188577 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: It isn't fun if it's already been done, unfun things are cheating, so you cheated
< 1443069360 856514 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can we do it modulo 3?
< 1443069382 947643 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which modulo 3?
< 1443069394 662097 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm does my approach introduce an asymetry between a and b?
< 1443069402 169615 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :|#|=i. Someone deal with that.
< 1443069408 127259 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would be displeasing
< 1443069415 812119 :bender|!~benderx2@2404:e800:e61a:41d:3508:d3e7:4eb6:fffe JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443069416 13212 :bender|!~benderx2@2404:e800:e61a:41d:3508:d3e7:4eb6:fffe QUIT :Changing host
< 1443069416 13260 :bender|!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443069423 680333 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh
< 1443069426 33745 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi bender| 
< 1443069476 917892 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hp, does your equation produce an integer?
< 1443069494 317815 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zhₙ(a, b) ∀(n, a, b) ∋ ℂ
< 1443069494 628401 :bender|!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1443069520 602035 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Zh being an extended hyperoperation)
< 1443069533 451246 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let & be such that |&| = & and & is not zero or positive.
< 1443069550 311343 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bender|: You wouldn't happen to have any ideas as to how that could work, would you?
< 1443069565 801723 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can we do this with some other function? Instead of |x|, why not sinc(x)?
< 1443069653 931463 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have decided that "@" (the character, not the number) is now called the "atpersand" in my book, "Arbitrary Names for Arbitrary Things".
< 1443069695 314314 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: tswett: We need to think about what signum means for our special numbers
< 1443069704 967568 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :signum?
< 1443069707 206099 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :If we want to keep the relation   x = signum(x)|x|
< 1443069710 115596 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :at person and other things
< 1443069714 90474 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgn()?
< 1443069726 202820 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull, good point
< 1443069741 561380 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], tells you whether a number is negative, positive, or zero.
< 1443069751 12528 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: Yeah
< 1443069754 376176 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the complex numbers, sgn(x) = x/|x|.
< 1443069754 554726 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: So sgn() then?
< 1443069759 69914 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can be defined as |x|/x if x != 0. This obviously may no longer be accurate
< 1443069768 711509 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also applies to the real numbers.
< 1443069772 772769 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: and sgn(0) = 0
< 1443069773 230818 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about the c@mplex numbers?
< 1443069777 40419 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :|x|/x doesn't work for the complex numbers.
< 1443069795 557774 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: on my blog, sgn(0) is undefined.
< 1443069803 603981 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh didn't realize there's a difference between |x|/x and x/|x|
< 1443069820 874145 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :i/|i| is i, |i|/i is 1/i which is -i.
< 1443069848 855545 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Wait, what?
< 1443069854 215114 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ = sgn(@)|@|; @ = -sgn(@); sgn(@) = -@
< 1443069854 560908 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/i=-i!?
< 1443069869 204836 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interesting
< 1443069870 698261 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, because i * -i = -(i * i) = -(-1) = 1.
< 1443069874 265610 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :All right. I should go to bed a couple of hours ago.
< 1443069875 462124 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@/-1 = -@
< 1443069875 640195 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list
< 1443069876 436249 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Night, everyone.
< 1443069881 45020 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks good
< 1443069882 842813 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Night tswett 
< 1443069887 489857 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :@night
< 1443069887 689960 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list
< 1443069896 347568 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :`loudly sleep tight
< 1443069897 570935 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​04,09s09,04l04,09e09,04e04,09p09,04 04,09t09,04i04,09g09,04h04,09t
< 1443069905 197319 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guhni
< 1443069934 851494 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: So what's sgn(-@)?
< 1443069936 311692 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@?
< 1443069967 491045 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think so. @ * |-@| = -@
< 1443069975 14097 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Assuming we preserve the property that sgn(x) = -x which probably isn't a property now that I think about it?
< 1443069985 808055 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait
< 1443069995 581297 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@*|-@| = -@?
< 1443069995 771009 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list
< 1443070008 980852 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :|-@| = -1, right?
< 1443070010 92259 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :|-@| = 1, correct?
< 1443070017 969705 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh
< 1443070023 216478 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Uh
< 1443070029 164531 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :|-@| = -1
< 1443070030 80828 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait
< 1443070033 728073 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Absolute value
< 1443070034 566150 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right
< 1443070073 126724 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So yes, @*|-@|=@*-1=-@
< 1443070079 255807 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Discovery!
< 1443070080 873805 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :WhoO!
< 1443070086 211422 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/O/o/!
< 1443070094 435764 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the sgn thing is the most solid thing we have
< 1443070109 588873 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should you put it in a formal document and publish it?
< 1443070150 54593 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would call the document "Making up numbers: A study of studying solutions to undefined algebraic expressions"
< 1443070174 700117 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(because @ is the solution to the "formerly" undefined algebraic expression |x|=-1, of course)
< 1443070340 135741 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's your next assignment: sin(@), cos(@), tan(@) xD
< 1443070395 38638 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu
< 1443070417 465964 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :adieu
< 1443070425 305481 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-adnqsnbzoocfzhkb JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443070452 755114 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :|a + b@| = 2a - sqrt(a^2 + b^2); |4 + 3@| = 8 - sqrt(16 + 9 = 25) = 8 - 5 = 3
< 1443070477 250233 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems a bit odd to me
< 1443070528 474907 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's Zh[@](a, b)?
< 1443070534 798971 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea what Zh means
< 1443070553 4045 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zh is the extended hyperoperations xD
< 1443070554 64330 :fowl!fowl@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-hfvwzvgasvkdabgn JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443070571 167275 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett's approach gives meaningful definition to addition, where I just leave them in current form
< 1443070588 899899 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in pseudohaskell:
< 1443070603 778886 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nevermind
< 1443070613 966037 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I imagine you understand the hyperoperations xD
< 1443070642 478723 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :MEh
< 1443070680 741868 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperoperation#Definition
< 1443070710 657387 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :H n a b =
< 1443070722 604835 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :    |n==0: b+1
< 1443070739 223551 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :    |n==1 and b==0: a
< 1443070751 468079 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :    |n==2 and b==0: 0
< 1443070762 471827 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :    n>=3 and b==0: 1
< 1443070771 137813 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/    /    |/
< 1443070795 504934 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :    |else: H n-1 a H n-1 a b-1
< 1443070807 189836 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I probably should've put some parenthesis in that last one
< 1443070819 936813 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :H n-1 a (H n-1 a b-1)
< 1443070855 118636 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's only reasonably impossible to read
< 1443070884 640161 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it possible to use normal HTTP proxies rather than CONNECT proxies for HTTPS in Firefox?
< 1443070892 674351 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No clue
< 1443070900 553608 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: not really
< 1443070921 982601 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: the proxy can't issue a valid certificate, nor can it negotiate a connection on your behalf
< 1443070933 543176 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to define a new function called Zh[n](a, b) which defines the hyperoperation for as many possible numbers as possible
< 1443070955 293389 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Starting with the c@mplexes (a+bi+c@+di@)
< 1443070960 344873 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see how to attempt to prove a contradiction in any of the |a + b@| definitions
< 1443070968 898794 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or at least the complexes.
< 1443070974 873008 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe there aren't any
< 1443070982 582949 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you've just invented an entirely new type of number
< 1443070995 772867 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: The proxy shouldn't need to issue a certificate in such a case
< 1443070996 588603 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you're one of the greatest genii of our generations
< 1443070996 777243 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are some definitions that are bad though.
< 1443071018 272220 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :|a + b@| = -a really, really sucks as a definition
< 1443071020 213707 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such as?
< 1443071024 542454 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: you need a certificate for HTTPS though. that's the point
< 1443071028 224789 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh yeah
< 1443071031 138515 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's pretty bad
< 1443071041 868373 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean it should send "GET https://example.org/ HTTP/1.1" to the proxy server if you request https://example.org/ and otherwise ignore the HTTPS stuff and delegate all such stuff to the proy server to handle instead
< 1443071072 399875 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But it should be an option; you should also be allowed to use CONNECT proxies if you wish to handle encryption on the client instead)
< 1443071079 913081 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it equaled |a|+|b@|=|a|-b
< 1443071112 396455 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or is that not how it works?
< 1443071147 526943 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :|@|=-1 is actually one of the most beautiful things I've ever seen
< 1443071149 154870 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If b can be c@mplex, you'd get |a| + |@@| = |a| - @ and I don't think we've attempted to get @ absolute values
< 1443071162 708230 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :To allow it by another kind of PAC response perhaps
< 1443071184 581944 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: So is c@mplesx of the form (a+bi+c@+di@) or (a+b@)?
< 1443071198 912624 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd love to get to that first one eventually
< 1443071210 491453 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would love to see it happen.
< 1443071214 131909 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No sarcasm.
< 1443071221 441821 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope I live long enough to see this become a thing
< 1443071227 979365 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even though it probably won't
< 1443071236 750844 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :|a + bi + c@| seems easy enough with my approach at least.
< 1443071246 888053 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: that would not work, because the proxy will not handle https
< 1443071252 854804 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think a+b@ is the atoids, I believe
< 1443071277 90736 :Jenkins3!~thefEnce@pool-173-66-188-233.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443071293 858513 :Jenkins3!~thefEnce@pool-173-66-188-233.washdc.fios.verizon.net PART #esoteric :"Leaving"
< 1443071294 36650 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :|a + bi + c@| = 2*sqrt(a^2 + b^2) - sqrt(a^2 + b^2 + c^2)
< 1443071296 273064 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used a PAC file with the "file:" scheme and it works, even though Wikipedia says to publish to HTTP server; but using a local file is going to be faster and more versatile and more secure too.
< 1443071304 964802 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I suppose it is technically possible but it would be bad to accept it
< 1443071305 142974 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Can you make a formal document describing what you've discovered so far about @?
< 1443071312 801471 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], not tonight
< 1443071316 317680 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, not necessarily formal
< 1443071318 336319 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Well, many proxies don't, but a few proxies do, so in the cases where it does, it would be accepted.
< 1443071318 514924 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about an informal one.
< 1443071323 711130 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just need a list of the equations
< 1443071324 808278 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it would not actually be a secure connection and the client software should not lie to its user like that
< 1443071332 776914 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Of course the proxy could be localhost if you want to)
< 1443071344 68398 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Starting with the bases and explaining the highlights of what you've derived from it
< 1443071352 293518 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: It doesn't lie; the user must program the proxy explicitly.
< 1443071366 732227 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: but even so, they would assume an https connection is secure
< 1443071369 149852 :krator44!krator44@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-dtgtwzgyvsgzpllm JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443071375 326887 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it requires a PAC file loaded with the "file:" scheme then it is more safe
< 1443071395 520961 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It can be made to refuse to do that if the PAC is loaded from any other scheme
< 1443071395 703843 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :doing that would give neither an encrypted connection, since the connection to the proxy would be unencrypted, nor validation of the server certificate
< 1443071412 37188 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: The proxy would validate the certificate if that is wanted.
< 1443071427 755617 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], http://oeis.org   <---huge list
< 1443071432 167517 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :a) the client can't trust the proxy's validation
< 1443071444 181307 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b) the proxy has no way to communicate that it rejects the proxy's assessment
< 1443071445 453007 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :err
< 1443071448 978626 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :that it rejects the certificate
< 1443071450 9231 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: The user would have to implicitly trust it when configuring the proxy
< 1443071454 577824 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there's a weird shape defined as |x + y@| = 0
< 1443071464 125818 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :blurelIse: Of what?
< 1443071473 815528 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :equations for integer sequences
< 1443071479 808862 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know what oeis is, but it's a list of what particularly in this case?
< 1443071480 696297 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh
< 1443071496 841926 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just asking for the @teger sequences
< 1443071498 632884 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And such
< 1443071520 208853 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1443071554 229004 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, if anything it also gives you a general layout for publishing without a paper
< 1443071555 674328 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sequences so much as equations
< 1443071591 848203 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :each sequence has an equation that creates it, so theres all sorts of fun stuff in there
< 1443071604 198324 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :RIight ,right
< 1443071613 491438 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been to oeis before -_-
< 1443071643 807735 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :great
< 1443071654 227998 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION goes back to being useless :D
< 1443071681 934626 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could return a 5xx error or 4xx error or whatever in case of certificate errors.
< 1443071721 702796 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Possibly 502)
< 1443071744 776349 :doesthiswork1!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving.
< 1443071842 322196 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: this seems inferior to CONNECT
< 1443072066 960554 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the old |a+b@| played nicely with throwing random garbage in there, I'm not sure if this one will
< 1443072113 339692 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :|a+b@| = 2a - |a+bi| might behave differently in edge cases, so let's use this
< 1443072135 525139 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually that i could complicate the issue... hm don't know what do
< 1443072160 855957 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@2602:306:8039:e9e0:3cff:20fb:7815:f4cc JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443072185 854255 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :|@ + @| = 2@ - |@ + i| = ???; 2@ - sqrt(@^2 + 1) = ???
< 1443072215 802681 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :|@+@|=2@ or |@+@|=|2@|
< 1443072219 189578 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1443072241 753419 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The latter, but trying to see if my definition breaks
< 1443072259 976317 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh
< 1443072266 260081 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I missed the |@+i|
< 1443072278 215961 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oooh
< 1443072280 702530 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@+i
< 1443072280 885985 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you meant: wn v rc pl id do bid bf @ ? .
< 1443072304 236913 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :2@ - sqrt(@^2 + 1) = -2; 2@ = sqrt(@^2 + 1); 4@^2 = @^2 + 1; 3@^2 = 1; @^2 = 1/3 = what?
< 1443072305 137823 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Getting into c@mplex numbers now, are we?
< 1443072314 424617 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], not really
< 1443072327 144226 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stress-testing definitions
< 1443072332 508768 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@+i is a c@mplex number
< 1443072332 688229 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you meant: wn v rc pl id do bid bf @ ? .
< 1443072334 783213 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: In some ways it is, but it also allows you to do some stuff that you might want to do otherwise
< 1443072349 658652 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], yeah, so I'm going to stay away from using that definition
< 1443072359 981576 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was using the |a+bi| thing as a shortcut to say 2d distance
< 1443072393 383529 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I just actually want a vararg dist() function
< 1443072408 993714 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if I say dist() always returns positive, we end up right back where we started
< 1443072470 599189 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know what, I might go back to that one that used || with imaginary
< 1443072485 587564 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :|a+b@| = 2a - |a+bi|
< 1443072496 568883 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example if you want to ignore some certificate errors or if you want to modify the headers or make a backup copy, then you can program the proxy to do such thing. This feature can be useful if it is a LAN proxy you can make a shared cache
< 1443072526 760968 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, to match my intuitions, I want |a+b@| = 2a - |a+bi| = 2a - |ai+b|
< 1443072550 598193 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course for security purposes it should not be allowed in non-local PAC files
< 1443072571 373343 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I also want |a+b@| = - |a@+b|
< 1443072625 259552 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well the latter is a good restriction we can push any definition against
< 1443072685 130210 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :|a+b@| = 2a - |a+bi| = - |a@+b| = -2b + |ai+b| ?
< 1443072700 73294 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :2a - |a+bi| = -2b + |ai + b| ?
< 1443072718 608125 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Assuming a and b are real, that's a question that doesn't involve @ at all, which is nice
< 1443072853 365577 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :2a + 2b = |a+bi| + |ai + b|; Uh I have no idea how to proceed from here
< 1443072925 699504 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a=1; 2 = 1 + |i| = 2.
< 1443072934 945093 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For a second I forgot that a was 1 and thought it was 2
< 1443073140 996711 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The other way around should also be allowed; if you want to connect to a insecure server (of any protocol) using a CONNECT proxy that should be allowed too
< 1443073164 971482 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1443073631 57306 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe if I can set the ALLOWS_PROXY_HTTP flag on the "https:" scheme will that allow it to work how I wanted it to work?
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< 1443074370 182558 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe numbers of the form a + bi + c@ + di@ are just 4-dimensional?
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< 1443074735 999970 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let @1 and @2 be two different numbers. |a + b@1| = |a| - |b|; |a + b@2| = 2a - |a + bi|; |a + x@1| = |a + @2|; |a| - |x| = 2a - |a + i|; |x| - |a| = |a + i| - 2a; |x| = |a + i| + |a|; Guess not. Was speculating that maybe the definitions just resulted in subtly different @ values along the same dimension
< 1443074872 400237 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think though that this suggests that both definitions might be reasonable?
< 1443075092 625790 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :|x + y@| = 0; 2x - |x + yi| = 0; Wolfram Alpha hates this, how about 2x - sqrt(x^2 + y^2) = 0? Wow this is stunningly boring: https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=2x+-+sqrt%28x%5E2+%2B+y%5E2%29+%3D+0
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< 1443077196 637836 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: So out of curiosity, how is defining a variable such that |x|=-1 different from defining a variable such that, for example, x+y!=y+x?
< 1443077210 478587 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Really just playing Devil's Advocate here)
< 1443077333 190327 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], redefining |x| will likely break less stuff (this is different from the 'poetic' way of defining a variable x such that |x|=-1 because absolute value is defined to be positive. Making a similar but not same operation as abs and calling it abs isn't so impossible. Doing that for equality or addition would likely result in an operation that behaved significantly differently from equality or addition)
< 1443077355 70086 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, depending on what you mean by *, a*b isn't always b*a
< 1443077374 418040 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If a and b are quaternions, the way multiplication is defined on them the order makes a difference
< 1443077377 146267 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I said +
< 1443077379 545743 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not *
< 1443077399 69159 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yes, I know about quaternions
< 1443077413 428719 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And octonions don't even satisfy associative
< 1443077438 656100 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So how's it work for sedenions? Do they not even satisfy closure? xD
< 1443077446 957393 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :closure?
< 1443077496 563420 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION glares at hppavilion[1] 
< 1443077513 646552 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah
< 1443077514 256444 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION changes hppavilion[0]
< 1443077541 850815 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You /do/ realize hppavilion[1] is a pythonic array index, correct?
< 1443077569 14007 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't closure the property that if you perform multiplication/addition on two numbers of the same type, they come out to the same type of number?
< 1443077601 998987 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], was slightly unfamiliar with the term, I'm not a professional mathematician
< 1443077605 464409 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :y+z -) C Ay,z -) C?
< 1443077614 548037 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :To use a crude notation
< 1443077620 804874 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I would have recognized "closed over operation" more readily
< 1443077625 272061 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(A being forall, -) being sets)
< 1443077629 340830 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah
< 1443077650 206043 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not a professional mathematician eihter, just a guy who reads too much wikipedia on mathxD
< 1443077659 975982 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/hx/h x/
< 1443077685 418836 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/ teh / the /gi
< 1443077698 192684 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I HAVE JUST FIXED 20% OF TYPOS
< 1443077996 479454 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also am not a real mathematician but I like to study many mathematical thing in Wikipedia and in the book and my own stuff by myself
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< 1443079286 23138 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: I think you haven't regenerated the image preview of the fontdemo
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< 1443081246 87152 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I am not sure where the line is between not a real mathematician and a real mathematician
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< 1443081865 103377 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a complex issue
< 1443082391 334647 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
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< 1443082564 481796 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :scientific rigor
< 1443082578 518389 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :once you lose that, you're just a numerologist
< 1443083386 846387 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite
< 1443083486 710227 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not belong to any university and have never been published in a mathematical journal, therefore I must be not quite a real mathematician
< 1443083522 459697 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i got published on oeis, but im also not a real mathematician
< 1443083612 47384 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :then again idk if thats really considered being published
< 1443084447 920157 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :By the way, the title of the latest OOTS strip (1006) is "Uninterrupted Torment", which sounds like it should be a M:tG card name.
< 1443084451 320227 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's not.
< 1443084470 723606 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's "Everlasting Torment" and "Neverending Torment"
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< 1443086492 557097 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why the heck does the new mulligan rule and reminders about it on http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles don't have a reminder text about "scry"? I mean, I know it's in Theros and Magic Origins, but it's not an evergreen mechanic, and won't appear in all sets. They should add a reminder text.
< 1443086594 449918 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, good! Apparently the actual text that goes to the Comp Rules will not say "scry", it will spell out the action.
< 1443086601 359060 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's only the announcements that are stupid.
< 1443086673 311959 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the comp rules also makes it clear when exactly you scry, namely after everyone has kept their opening hand, but before other turn zero actions.
< 1443087035 613533 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The comp rules update bulletin isn't up yet though.
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< 1443091112 773919 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welp, that was a new kind of personal conveyance device for me. It looked like a segway without the stick. Or a skateboard with two big wheels on either ends, except perpendicular.
< 1443091146 869159 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I've seen some like that
< 1443091289 378035 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"if (*p_state == BORED) { free(boredom); *p_state = be_challenged(); }  says an ad on this train.
< 1443091326 131421 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, be_challenged returns an enum
< 1443091477 949348 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I already switched trains, so I can't be sure if they assigned p_state or *p_state.
< 1443091495 634680 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I think that could lead to things going wrong
< 1443091501 240320 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly even segfaults!
< 1443091587 601774 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was for these guys   http://www.cambridgeconsultants.com/
< 1443091601 474612 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh! I know someone who used to work for them
< 1443091646 855734 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Brainfuck14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44380&oldid=42799 5* 03Martin Büttner 5* (+911) 10
< 1443091672 222297 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: doing marketing?
< 1443091682 134428 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Software, probably
< 1443091728 714425 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :those "let's make our advert look like code" things often have code that couldn't possibly work
< 1443091742 876952 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, what sort of variable name is "p_state"?
< 1443091803 278113 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the state of the peas
< 1443091830 599792 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or of the pee
< 1443091929 136562 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"free(boredom)" in a conditional block is dubious at best.
< 1443091972 28433 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe be-challenged does something with it. but it has to be global then
< 1443091982 75494 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :global boredom
< 1443091984 948395 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could be that p_state is tracking the allocation status of boredom?
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< 1443092041 250145 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that case, calling a function and rely on that may not be the best idea
< 1443092093 436322 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe be_challenged does other things
< 1443092115 714775 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's true that programming in C is a very exciting and challenging activity.
< 1443092130 217479 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, I don't know, chooses a random activity and returns that
< 1443092137 560261 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if p_state keeps track of the allocation status, it should do the if itself
< 1443092353 445207 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :On that note, someone should make an esolang out of defect report 260
< 1443092358 930592 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg14/www/docs/dr_260.htm
< 1443092499 947770 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love the way they use (free) just in case free is a macro
< 1443092517 103002 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does that help?
< 1443092556 878442 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it probably doesn't, but I like it anyway
< 1443092578 235391 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: fwiw, some compilers have been caught comparing two pointers as equal, but having assignments through one not affect the value readable through the other
< 1443092605 323247 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: is that when they compare only offset values? I think that's sometimes even valid
< 1443092626 568281 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: no
< 1443092673 277456 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would that let them become Turing complete through the back door?
< 1443092673 601929 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the code is something like: x = malloc(sizeof *x); free(x); y = malloc(sizeof *x); if (x == y) { *x = 1; *y = 2; printf("%d", *x); }
< 1443092675 503705 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it prints 1
< 1443092693 979427 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :on some versions of clang
< 1443092704 132197 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(add declarations, main, etc. to produce a complete program)
< 1443092734 939050 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's insane
< 1443092793 155388 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's undefined behaviour I think
< 1443092794 403956 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: uh... ok, dunno, I'll leave the language lawyers to figure out how they have to write those kinds of rules
< 1443092818 232464 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Jafet's link is about this
< 1443092827 207869 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(language lawyers discussing this situation)
< 1443092836 866669 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: since x and y have identical values, why is it any less defined than using y only?
< 1443092839 601743 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I know. I think I'd rather not go into this.
< 1443092840 598613 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: it is indeed undefined behaviour, but some people are surprised by the way that clang happens to interpret it
< 1443092853 810956 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: I didn't say it was unsurprising
< 1443092857 113175 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The crazy unions and memcpys were enough for me as for C magic.
< 1443092898 753341 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the official standards response about this sort of thing was: "The C Standard lays down no requirement that two inspections of the bits representing a given value will observe the same bit-pattern only that the observed pattern on each occasion will be a valid representation of the value."
< 1443092923 363079 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was a bit longer, actually
< 1443092939 10107 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the official explanation seems to be that as x is a pointer to freed memory, its actual value is allowed to change spontaneously
< 1443092988 360047 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i.e. x itself can change spontaneously, in addition to *x)
< 1443093036 590235 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: right. this is the strange kind of thing where if you write (in a function scope) int x; int y = x; that might cause undefined behaviour because x is uninitialized and can be of a trap value and even copying that trap value can cause UB 
< 1443093053 656328 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, since x gets an unspecified value, *x is undefined
< 1443093054 865869 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: and Itanium is one platform where that actually happens
< 1443093063 245334 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's such a strange value that, like, even reading it into a register can be a problem, or the electrons are not cleaned up, or something?
< 1443093080 164521 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: um, what happens excatly? 
< 1443093086 362281 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :The B5000 was a CPU where you'd get this regularly, I believe
< 1443093097 534535 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :It had only one native type, double precision floating point
< 1443093098 672010 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: so on Itanium, fetching a memory address can give you a deferred exception
< 1443093107 593520 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :And all other types were defined to be subsets of it
< 1443093121 990886 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then attempting to read the register that you were trying to store the value in sets off the actual exception
< 1443093140 242688 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I think it's a pState that's been turned from camelCase to under_scores.
< 1443093146 298617 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: um, but it's not permitted in C if you read a char, or an unsigned char, which is why memcpy works on even an uninitialized area (it conceptually copies chars or something similar, though the implementation may of course do whatever)
< 1443093147 348278 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so suppose the previous function did something like «if (x) {printf("%d", *x);}»
< 1443093160 203746 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and x was NULL
< 1443093168 332497 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: um, "fetching a memory address" can sure be bda if you're reading through a wrong pointer
< 1443093179 404685 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :on Itanium, the usual implementation would be to load x /before/ the test
< 1443093186 390565 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, to load *x
< 1443093188 739978 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: but here the address is valid, x is a local variable. reading it bytewise would be ok in C.
< 1443093189 998737 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :specifying a deferred exception
< 1443093206 680369 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, you mean through pointers.
< 1443093209 759332 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now, suppose you call into a new function, and it chooses the same /register/ for x
< 1443093220 979243 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :attempting to do anything with x, other than assigning a new value to it, will cause the null pointer exception to happen
< 1443093238 324460 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, suppose it chooses the register for x that it previously chose for *x
< 1443093257 430301 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ah, ok.
< 1443093262 743152 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if x happens to be stored in memory (very unlikely for a local variable on Itanium) the problem couldn't happen
< 1443093281 259838 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is why any argument involving pointers to x will miss the point (because that would force it into memory)
< 1443093303 392401 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, for this simple code, int x; int y = x; with nothing between, the compiler will probably see what you're doing rightaway. 
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< 1443093416 535059 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd be surprised if a compiler looked at that code and thought "hmm, I need to force x into memory"
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< 1443093561 730424 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: yes, it will see undefined behaviour and optimise out all code that follows after that
< 1443093577 152017 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right, the gcc approach to UB
< 1443093586 924054 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://people.csail.mit.edu/nickolai/papers/wang-undef-2012-08-21.pdf
< 1443093592 290093 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :(section 2.7)
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< 1443093796 40735 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: and possibly give a warning, unless it can prove the code unreachable anyway
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< 1443099540 385908 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hehe, hilarious bug: http://meta.stackexchange.com/q/266830/222298
< 1443099558 180062 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :404?
< 1443099563 427014 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, deleted since
< 1443099570 723525 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah
< 1443099616 389092 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a security bug where typing a particular magic sequence in a chat room on chat.meta.stackexchange.com notifies everyone who has been in the chatroom the last seven days in their SE-wide inbox.
< 1443099634 608844 :S1!~S1@p4FF9201A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :how come?
< 1443099637 25332 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're supposed to be able to notify only a particular user you name in a chat message normally
< 1443099648 176643 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :S1: no idea, the SE employees are debugging it right now
< 1443099652 938396 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a very new bug
< 1443099656 211852 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: why would you link to a 404 page? you can't find useful information via it
< 1443099664 261526 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it wasn't 404 yet when I linked
< 1443099667 430724 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right
< 1443099670 784474 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :got deleted quickly because people would abuse it
< 1443099677 551620 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it includes the actual character sequence
< 1443099702 156788 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or you may have a high enough rep on meta to be able to view a "deleted" question)
< 1443099710 370107 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, like the sequence of 12 characters that crashes Chrome? (when you try to visit it as an URL or mousehover over an anchor that links to it like an URL)
< 1443099725 880961 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno
< 1443099771 68664 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :this one is 13 bytes long
< 1443099786 241433 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :might be 13?
< 1443099795 451920 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to remember what the sequence is, now
< 1443099798 310324 :S1!~S1@p4FF9201A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Which one was that? (the 12 char sequence)
< 1443099803 387672 :S1!~S1@p4FF9201A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh
< 1443099803 565665 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried it in Chromium and it acted oddly but didn't crash
< 1443099804 194142 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, I mean the one that pings people on SE chat
< 1443099808 93973 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right
< 1443099812 331691 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know about the Chromium one
< 1443099835 512160 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC it was something like http:// and a NUL byte, double-URL-encoded
< 1443099849 791271 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the second layer of URL encoding didn't encode all the characters, just some of them
< 1443099862 328980 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that probably narrows it down to enough possibilities to find it by brute force
< 1443099880 972366 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :they probably fixed that since
< 1443099882 2159 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://%%30%30 perhaps, although that's 14
< 1443099901 713656 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: well the bug was reportedly with Chrome, and I tried it in Chromium just after it became public and didn't get a crash
< 1443099976 897917 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno, this reminds me to the very old bug around windows 95 where in MSIE following a link to file://C|/con/con would hang the machine. that was back when any external webpage could just have a clickable link to the file:// protocol
< 1443099983 246690 :bender|!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 NICK :vladmir_lenin
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< 1443100011 290303 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then, windows 95 had tons of similar easy bugs, including ones much easier to exploit, like packets that crashed the networking system
< 1443100035 955906 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: in IE 4 I created a recursive frameset once
< 1443100042 170517 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"will undelete when I've pushed the fix" says an admin, so my link will be valid
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< 1443100058 352477 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which crashed Explorer (not just IE; Explorer's the process that handles the desktop, Start menu, etc.)
< 1443100076 190270 :vladmir_lenin!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 NICK :bender
< 1443100083 809436 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :given that ctrl-alt-delete was disabled on the computers I tested it on, doing anything from there (including logging out) became quite awkward
< 1443100091 953573 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1443100288 255177 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that was on what operating system?
< 1443100303 29592 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume Windows 95, not sure though
< 1443100305 657323 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :might have been 98
< 1443100342 817775 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :on windows 95, such a bug would probably leave the whole system unstable because not enough memory protection separating the processes.
< 1443100356 97531 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would possibly just crash the whole system.
< 1443100381 757466 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :on windows 98, I think you'd just press control-escape to launch the task manager (if explorer isn't running), and restart explorer from there.
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< 1443112351 746296 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Y'know, for the most part, it should be possible to play Magic over IRC.
< 1443112364 851135 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :As long as the players trust each other.
< 1443112414 89007 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can only think of one effect that wouldn't work, and that's looking at your opponent's library.
< 1443113122 312044 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :With proper program to do the stuff you could implement it even without as much trusting each other as normal, and allow looking in opponent's library
< 1443113346 650380 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: looking at face-down exiled cards your opponent controls
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< 1443113461 468273 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup.
< 1443113479 166852 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hellu
< 1443113601 940448 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Template:Main article14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=44381 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+28) 10Created Template
< 1443113616 29846 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I CAN'T STOP
< 1443113749 936253 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Hppavilion1/Hedwig Notta14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44382&oldid=44379 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+249) 10Main article
< 1443113754 957263 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just did a solo test run of this deck.
< 1443113755 135219 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was able to kill a passive opponent in only 14 turns.
< 1443113755 135291 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Woulda been nice if I hadn't missed the first four land drops.
< 1443113861 878516 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Hppavilion1/Hedwig Notta14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44383&oldid=44382 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (-79) 10Removed an accidentally inserted raw link
< 1443113876 810641 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Whoa?
< 1443113882 648365 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't tell if that's good xD
< 1443113981 181183 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's terrible.
< 1443114018 525846 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't been keeping track of game lengths. I think killing your opponent on turn 4 is pretty good.
< 1443114019 376094 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1443114026 37443 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah
< 1443114044 689131 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not defeating your opponent until turn 14 is reasonable if you're playing a highly defensive deck.
< 1443114066 311906 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Assuming that your opponent actually does something, which my imaginary opponent was not.
< 1443114070 354692 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :And this is supposed to be a highly aggressive deck.
< 1443114079 525943 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really shoulda taken a mulligan.
< 1443114081 841654 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: turn 14 goldfish is /not/ good if you're anything other than a control deck
< 1443114135 643843 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the accepted turncount for a goldfish is 4 in Modern and 3 in Legacy, typically around 5 or 6 in Standard but it's just about to get shaken up so who knows
< 1443114167 407301 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :where this doesn't necessarily mean winning, but rather doing something that would place you clearly in control of the game against a real opponent (winning is one way to do this but there are others)
< 1443114176 962338 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :So maybe I should aim for 4 or 5 for the goldfish.
< 1443114187 687453 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which format is this?
< 1443114199 769321 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Standard.
< 1443114222 74849 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's redo that goldfish.
< 1443114256 146709 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :remember that the mulligan rule changes in a few days' time
< 1443114261 831383 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should probably be testing with the new one
< 1443114296 170526 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh yeah.
< 1443114689 583166 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :That time I made it on turn 6. Much better, but this still kinda felt weak.
< 1443114833 500440 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what happens if I just make a deck entirely out of creatures with mana cost no more than 3.
< 1443114863 612520 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: a typical creature aggro deck has most of its creatures at mana cost 1 or 2
< 1443114866 309338 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus some burn
< 1443114871 277857 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or other way to end the game
< 1443114871 936813 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should need some mana source too
< 1443114875 641801 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they tend to be red, as a result
< 1443114911 80696 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the white version has nearly all its creatures at converted mana cost 2, takes a little longer to win, and tries to pick creature abilities to slow down the opponent
< 1443115127 910048 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might be a good idea to put in a mountain or two.
< 1443115132 958553 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or twenty or thirty.
< 1443115275 782562 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1443115280 549181 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, Flooded Strand says, "T, Pay 1 life, Sacrifice Flooded Strand: Search your library for a Plains or Island card and put it onto the battlefield. Then shuffle your library."
< 1443115290 637831 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :23 is the accepted number for most monocolor decks, but pure aggro decks can go with less
< 1443115300 484109 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think 19 is quite common? maybe 20
< 1443115318 489801 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tranquil Cove says, "Tranquil Cove enters the battlefield tapped. When Tranquil Cove enters the battlefield, you gain 1 life. T: Add W or U to your mana pool."
< 1443115356 156343 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems to me like Flooded Strand has several disadvantages; the only advantage is that you can get one mana the same turn that you play it.
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< 1443115370 356188 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yet Flooded Strand is much much more expensive than Tranquil Cove.
< 1443115386 417577 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is Flooded Strand in fact significantly better than Tranquil Cove?
< 1443115386 595523 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I've invented a programming language that requires a supercomputer of Googlic proportions (or at least a high-end beowulf cluster) to make it work well and fast
< 1443115389 945477 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Flooded Strand is way better.
< 1443115396 984397 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: it is, and for three reasons
< 1443115413 997562 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a) flooded strand gives you mana immediately, which in tempo-driven formats is important
< 1443115477 538271 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b) flooded strand gets a plains or island, not a /basic/ plains or island; thus, if you have appropriate dual lands in your deck, it produces two colours, and you get a free choice of one and a choice from two of the other (i.e. 7 of the 10 pairs)
< 1443115503 187139 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :c) flooded strand is part of a number of combos, some of which define legacy (most of them rely on either the fact that it puts a card in your graveyard, or the fact that it shuffles your library)
< 1443115518 552839 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(although some of the combos in standard rely on the fact that it puts two lands into play on the same turn)
< 1443115526 308921 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Analogy:Simile, that is
< 1443115528 732870 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there aer a few combos with tranquil cove but they have a much lower power level
< 1443115539 936094 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. Neat.
< 1443115572 599275 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fetchland (i.e. flooded strand and friends) + brainstorm is found in a very high proportion of legacy decks
< 1443115575 710503 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically all the ones that run blue
< 1443115598 972072 :FireFly!firefly@oftn/member/FireFly QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1443115607 309510 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Analogy:Simile is going to run on neural networks
< 1443115624 340777 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It will use R-like data handling properties to detect correlations
< 1443115663 528047 :heddwch!heddwch@76.8.3.189 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
< 1443115675 892265 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :A file will be a renamed .tar.gz archive containing a ".ats" file which would be the main file and a "meta.zfg" or something that would define the properties of the neural network
< 1443115866 424181 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :So if my deck has some Plateaus, some Savannahs, some Scrublands, some Tropical Islands, some Tundras, some Underground Seas, and some Volcanic Islands, then Flooded Strand will easily let me get any type of mana.
< 1443115954 147714 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, each of those would cost me about seventy bucks.
< 1443116016 331696 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or a couple hundred.
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< 1443116505 6158 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443116641 239468 :heddwch!heddwch@76.8.3.189 QUIT :Excess Flood
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< 1443117078 403745 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, lemme try out this funky reduced deck.
< 1443117119 872610 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443117122 57060 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm back. There was a test.
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< 1443117497 640247 :FireFly!firefly@oftn/member/FireFly JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443117579 130626 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Turn 6 goldfish, turn 9 goldfish, turn 6 goldfish, turn 6 goldfish, turn 6 goldfish.
< 1443117595 78684 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that… is still not very good, if it's using the entire set of all cards ever
< 1443117605 800316 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, it's Standard.
< 1443117613 663414 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I think that's still not very good.
< 1443117614 653538 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right
< 1443117638 439282 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you did say 5 or 6 for a goldfish.
< 1443117651 790194 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Given that this is aggro, presumably I'd want to average 5 or under.
< 1443117702 306429 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lemme look for things I might want to add...
< 1443117748 34487 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :One kind of card to make up might be:   Fateseal 1, and then target opponent draws a card.
< 1443117764 189943 :sc00fy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443117783 125257 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: a) that isn't strong; b) Wizards refuse to print fateseal nowadays on the basis that people don't like playing against it
< 1443117952 397823 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know it isn't very strong, but if the mana cost is low enough then it does not have to be, and/or if it is usable more than once possibly (costing "{1U}, {T}" on an artifact or land or whatever)
< 1443117980 317319 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I think the mana cost would have to be about -3 before that was usable
< 1443117984 255490 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe less
< 1443117995 660398 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually it's probably usable at -2
< 1443118000 699674 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :some decks would want that, most wouldn't
< 1443118091 888224 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is overpowered at a negative cost; the minimum possible cost should be {0}
< 1443118109 112980 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: have you seen Simian Spirit Guide?
< 1443118113 109802 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sort-of has a cost of {-R}
< 1443118124 318046 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and even then has an alternate mode of casting
< 1443118127 280958 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that's a cute name. Goblin Kaboomist.
< 1443118132 601199 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are a few decks that use it, most don't want that effect though
< 1443118193 588569 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I have seen it, that is a bit different.
< 1443118218 837642 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can earn mana or summon a creature, not both.
< 1443118219 905612 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"As an addition cost to cast ~, add {U} to your mana pool."
< 1443118223 450904 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there such a card?
< 1443118230 741876 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :additional
< 1443118230 946355 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know
< 1443118263 344110 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: no
< 1443118278 252829 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: indeed
< 1443118286 406093 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any abilities, maybe?
< 1443118288 900809 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :however basically nobody summons a creature with the card outside Limited
< 1443118299 700749 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :In theory costs can be anything, I suppose.
< 1443118302 297396 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's basically a card that does nothing for {-R}, and has an alternative mode of paying {2}{R} for a 2/2
< 1443118319 637954 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa, http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=122123
< 1443118331 212988 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: it'd help if you stated the card's name rather than just the link
< 1443118336 398443 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :True.
< 1443118338 671119 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I can know what card it is without having to wait for Gatherer to load
< 1443118339 212715 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Braid of Fire
< 1443118350 708829 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :only works during your upkeep
< 1443118359 289189 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :"As an additional cost to play this card, you win the game."
< 1443118359 467364 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that said, I'd still love to see someone break that card
< 1443118361 825937 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1443118364 639326 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes Gatherer links have a name rather than a multiverseid.
< 1443118365 267113 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the timing restriction makes it difficult
< 1443118380 549027 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Countering it doesn't work; you win the game before your opponent gets priority.
< 1443118430 855573 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would *definitely* play the card I just mentioned at a cost of -2; I think that is way too small and at {0} it would be good as an instant. (Forcing opponent to draw card if it cannot be used as an instant isn't quite as good)
< 1443118587 63082 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looking at cards like http://magiccards.info/query?q=!Adarkar+Unicorn I have to remember that mana burn used to exist.
< 1443118626 363143 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, for that matter, I guess it existed for Braid of Fire too.
< 1443118648 296540 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah yes. Mana abilities that you can play as an interrupt.
< 1443118704 924959 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Braid of Fire was in standard at the same time as storage lands, which conveniently have an ability that becomes "{1}: add {0} to your mana pool" if played with X=0
< 1443118711 611640 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was when they had interrupt; all mana abilities were interrupts, on lands they were implicitly interrupts I think but on other cards they are not implicitly interrupts
< 1443118731 144555 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :interrupts left before Braid of Fire arrived by a /long/ way, though
< 1443118733 212395 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ds01-214-177.dynamic.mtsallstream.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443118742 768865 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Coldsnap may be part of Ice Age block, but it was released much later and retconned in)
< 1443118785 787243 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, there are some interesting cumulative upkeeps out there.
< 1443118788 758154 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://magiccards.info/query?q=!Herald+of+Leshrac
< 1443118800 620956 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443118802 181566 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, an early version of the mana ability rule: "Adding mana to your mana pool is always considered an interrupt."
< 1443118826 411047 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: that's one of my favourites
< 1443118850 27405 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, the one with "cumulative upkeep: target opponent gains one life" seems like it'd be really good in Commander, which is all about politics
< 1443119027 554457 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :And don't forget this:
< 1443119029 538294 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :"By mutual consent, players may agree not to play for ante. This is recommended until you get a feel for the game."
< 1443119135 231428 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a copy of the old rules on the computer? I would find it very useful for use with old Magic: the Puzzling
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< 1443119183 786138 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://archive.wizards.com/Magic/magazine/article.aspx?x=mtgcom/daily/jc20 - the original rules
< 1443119214 995150 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://magiccards.info/query?q=!Reality+Twist
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< 1443119588 312091 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a copy of the Fourth Edition rules though?
< 1443119614 883725 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know.
< 1443119622 996848 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there such a thing as mana that can be used for any color?
< 1443119660 169228 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to make a language like Rocket
< 1443119686 431179 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :One that uses plenty of instrucitons, but makes very short programs
< 1443119731 802874 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :?T!=F:x=5;x=4 is equivalent to
< 1443119731 980850 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list
< 1443119747 579533 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: no, cards tend to generate mana of any color instead
< 1443119754 633584 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i.e. it can only be used for one color but you can choose which)
< 1443119791 92696 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess a card could say, "Add 1 to your mana pool. You may spend this mana as if it were mana of any color."
< 1443119811 681272 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is e.g. http://magiccards.info/query?q=!Celestial+Dawn
< 1443119812 477892 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :true = 1 == 1;
< 1443119812 725445 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :false = 1 != 1;
< 1443119812 903784 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :if(true != false) {
< 1443119812 903842 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :	x = 5;
< 1443119812 903879 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :} else {
< 1443119813 492773 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :	x = 4;
< 1443119815 475563 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :}
< 1443119820 455761 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(In dynamic-variable c)
< 1443119837 891379 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please don't paste that much text in the channel. :-(
< 1443119850 701778 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, I was going to mention Celestial Dawn too, except that I couldn't remember what it was called
< 1443119852 522547 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry
< 1443119865 409810 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just had to add code for demonstration purposes
< 1443119916 749719 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are a few other cards with similar effects.
< 1443120147 483555 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: you could have put it all on one line
< 1443120188 745723 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I could've, but that would've been hard to read
< 1443120219 235031 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it would have been easier to read
< 1443120236 879664 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :true = 1 == 1; false = 1 != 1; if (true != false) { x = 5; } else { x = 4 }
< 1443120238 508113 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :see?
< 1443120253 604054 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it doesn't have a bunch of repeats of your nick in the middle
< 1443120365 829452 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe NICK :wentgoat10^2
< 1443120373 150118 :wentgoat10^2!nortti@ayu.smar.moe NICK :nortti
< 1443120383 652370 :heddwch!heddwch@76.8.3.189 NICK :gonegoat^16
< 1443120386 572898 :gonegoat^16!heddwch@76.8.3.189 NICK :heddwch
< 1443120535 981243 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh
< 1443120537 120947 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weird
< 1443120594 55066 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goldfish turn 6, goldfish turn 6, goldfish turn 6, goldfish turn 5, goldfish turn 6.
< 1443120601 498174 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: probably related to a different channel
< 1443120609 527089 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nicks are global, but nick jokes are often local
< 1443120614 767387 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least it seems decently consistent.
< 1443120629 492392 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I mean the fact that it's easier to read on one line
< 1443120637 435717 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: this is usually the case in IRC
< 1443120643 936994 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the bots tend to output as one line for that reason
< 1443120646 807895 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :True, true
< 1443120657 546284 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/loudly
< 1443120661 415660 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/usr/bin/env python \ import sys, itertools \ inp = len(sys.argv) >= 2 and sys.argv[1] or raw_input() \ cyc = itertools.cycle(["\00304,09","\00309,04"]) \ print "".join(cyc.next() + c for c in inp)
< 1443120664 93814 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :By the way, I disavow that code.
< 1443120675 38291 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote it using echo and sed.
< 1443120692 144003 :sc00fy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443120933 875987 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I can make that language work xD
< 1443121059 770945 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yet another revision...
< 1443121399 449060 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Cumulative upkeep -- Place an age counter on ~"
< 1443121873 76485 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goldfish turn 6, goldfish turn 5, goldfish turn 5, goldfish turn 5, goldfish turn 6.
< 1443121896 295023 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is actually starting to feel kinda decent.
< 1443121925 921484 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: haha
< 1443121933 688473 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :would anything interact with the age counters?
< 1443121946 992546 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Brainfuck14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44384&oldid=44380 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (+119) 10/* Syntax highlighting. */
< 1443121956 401001 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some enchantments add cumulative upkeep to an existing card.
< 1443121964 59096 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But mostly with negative effects, I think.
< 1443122181 336468 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made up one card that adds "cumulative upkeep {0}" to the enchanted permanent
< 1443122339 613536 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would expect the rules to say that multiple instances of cumulative upkeep don't result in multiple age counters being added each upkeep step.
< 1443122382 515261 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You do add multiple age counters
< 1443122406 763744 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Example 702.23b explicitly says so.
< 1443122414 598252 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup, you're right.
< 1443122494 13395 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :So now I guess the question is if I can add anything to this deck to make it even faster.
< 1443122584 114050 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm, Rust looks sort of neat but i don't know where to start / what to write in it that's especially Rust-y :(
< 1443122604 558497 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote an operating system in Rust.
< 1443122610 584411 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not very good. It has two features.
< 1443122694 614769 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I do want to win the game in about five or six turns, I guess things with a CMC of 5 or 6 aren't going to be especially useful.
< 1443122695 554860 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1443122720 64169 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, you're talking about crazy M:tG stuff
< 1443122767 250507 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: indeed
< 1443122790 988341 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are "midrange" decks nowadays which aim to block smaller creatures and go over the top of the aggro decks
< 1443122804 912892 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they're rapidly becoming the most popular sort of deck, mostly because Wizards keeps nerfing everything else
< 1443122814 29845 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the latest OotS strip has the title "Uninterrupted Torment". that sounded like it has to be an M:tG card name, so I checked. it's not, but "Everlasting Torment" and "Neverending Torment" are.
< 1443122825 933472 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doink. I wonder why this Gatherer search isn't giving me anything:
< 1443122827 517749 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Search/Default.aspx?action=advanced&format=+[%22Standard%22]&color=+[R]|[C]&type=+![%22Creature%22]
< 1443122850 791015 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode t=+
< 1443122851 603975 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+0074 LATIN SMALL LETTER T] [U+003D EQUALS SIGN] [U+002B PLUS SIGN]
< 1443122879 778251 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder why my client decided that the second equals sign in that URL is the first character after the URL.
< 1443122888 223532 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me read up
< 1443122894 383655 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm considering making my λ-calculus tool not allow you to type syntactically invalid λ-expressions
< 1443122912 188184 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example, don't let a user type "λx..x"
< 1443122912 750522 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: oh, that sounds like something it'd be good at
< 1443122920 671897 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i should emulate a gameboy or something
< 1443122930 168140 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that might break workflow and force workarounds when you wnat to insert something
< 1443122936 144962 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'm not sure if you'd ever need to do that
< 1443122939 841866 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shit 
< 1443122945 339000 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have to go off for a test
< 1443122945 675228 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that actually sounds like  a ton of work, how do people stand to write emulators)
< 1443122949 193013 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :“ I was able to kill a passive opponent in only 14 turns.” … that's bad.
< 1443122956 134286 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly Famicom might be easier
< 1443122961 820866 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: sure is!
< 1443122968 294176 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or make an implementation of QUACKVM, which is far simpler
< 1443122973 755923 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: don't do that IMO
< 1443122992 951668 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: the advanced search actually seems to be broken
< 1443122998 84390 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's generating malformed search URLs
< 1443123010 283340 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that said, try changing your "R" and "C" to "Red" and "Colorless", in quotes
< 1443123019 743411 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might help, as that seems to be what it was trying to generate
< 1443123021 492632 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :This works: http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Search/Default.aspx?action=advanced&format=+[%22Standard%22]&color=|[R]|[C]&type=+![%22Creature%22]
< 1443123033 696789 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :“ I wonder what happens if I just make a deck entirely out of creatures with mana cost no more than 3.” – I hear such decks can be good these days. wait, what format are you building for?
< 1443123038 904317 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are many problems with the searching function in Gatherer; only very simple things work
< 1443123043 22859 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :The expression has to contain |[R]|[C] instead of &[R]|[C].
< 1443123045 115515 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: (pretty much for the reason you mentioned)
< 1443123047 39587 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Standard.
< 1443123068 644931 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make a SQLite database of it and then use that to search instead
< 1443123084 100439 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: is this standard as of now, or standard as of a couple of weeks from now?
< 1443123088 863090 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :most people are focusing on the latter
< 1443123092 678657 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, *tswett:
< 1443123104 276575 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :The intersection of the two.
< 1443123219 835713 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
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< 1443123559 126831 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, about M:tG, I was wondering on a particular effect red has, namely when it puts a creature of your choice from your hand onto the battlefield with haste, but temporarily, so you {sacrifice, exile, bounce, destroy etc} it {at the end of turn, at end of combat, your next upkeep, some other specified time}. 
< 1443123579 501426 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Sclipting14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44385&oldid=41647 5* 03Timwi 5* (+0) 10oops
< 1443123586 875328 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought this was sort of an expensive but staple effect that was done often on red cards. It turns out no. Only about three cards do it: Through the Breach, Sneak Attack, and about one more.
< 1443123610 412481 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then M:tG people explained to me that this is no longer done because it's no longer fun when Emrakul is in the same format.
< 1443123637 404078 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I was wondering, could this be done but limited to creature cards with converted mana cost 3 or less?
< 1443123643 334800 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if so, how much would it have to cost?
< 1443123654 149366 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my guess is yes, and 2 or 3
< 1443123663 680418 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :For comparison, there's still Elvish Piper and a similar card with a piper effect in M12
< 1443123673 920242 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :those don't give haste but aren't for one turn only
< 1443123741 903487 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443123745 147918 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm back
< 1443123761 24438 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finished the test. 100%. He graded it with an app on his phone. My mind is blown.
< 1443123792 508716 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The M12 card is Quicksilver Amulet
< 1443123816 498060 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like a colorless Elvish Piper
< 1443123878 500642 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: as an instant? or a repeatable activated ability on a permanent?
< 1443123896 687146 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: was thinking the activation on an enchantment
< 1443123905 334982 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the activation and the enchantment itself would likely have similar costs
< 1443123920 490886 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, _enchantment_? That's hard because you don't want to put a {T} cost on it
< 1443123937 590963 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't want to put a {T} cost on it
< 1443123938 707267 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :though it might not be a big problem if it consumes a card
< 1443123946 7553 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1443123965 591857 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :note that a card that gives all your creatures haste is pretty cheap (probably about {1}{R} nowadays), and giving them haste but exiling them at end of turn is normally worse
< 1443123995 166333 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there any known undecidable states for MtG? Like StackFlow intends to create
< 1443124042 938005 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I believe so. IIRC, someone implemented a Turing machine in Magic.
< 1443124060 771700 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: iirc that relied on the players making decisions
< 1443124067 447125 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :A player could always choose to end the cycle
< 1443124082 622824 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: yes, ais523 has a construction of a Turing machine, with a small but probably fixable bug
< 1443124093 914732 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: and it's documented on the esowiki
< 1443124105 924065 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: that is StackFlow
< 1443124131 376519 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, is there one without the bug
< 1443124131 952110 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: the StackFlow construction isn't meant to provide any opportunity to make decisions (you get priority but with an empty hand and no activatable abilities; I even blew up all the lands)
< 1443124132 857650 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh whatever. You don't want efficiency, there's probably a translation.
< 1443124147 403040 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there's a bug in it where two abilities stack at the same time and you can choose which order to stack them in and it makes a difference
< 1443124154 167371 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: if you want one without a bug, go and fix it somehow.
< 1443124159 192220 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's probably a fixable bug.
< 1443124164 214198 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I don't know magic well enough
< 1443124177 842434 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Hot Soup" is weird, flavor-wise.
< 1443124394 416142 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was apparently designed entirely based on the flavour
< 1443124406 50850 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which makes me think it's a reference to something I'm unaware of
< 1443124481 194577 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is it strange?
< 1443124525 254156 :grotewold!~grotewold@98.75.244.66.corn.smithvilledigital.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443124526 253554 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :One doesn't normally think of hot soup as a type of artifact, weapon, or equipment.
< 1443124541 385728 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the creature is holding something dangerous (a vat of hot oil, a double-edged sword, a weird bomb that can explode any time, it's called "hot soup" here), whcih is not only dangerous but also scary, so you don't want to block it. but he's holding something that will explode in his own face easily.
< 1443124547 472005 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, I get it—yeah, that.
< 1443124554 708760 :grotewold!~grotewold@98.75.244.66.corn.smithvilledigital.net QUIT :Client Quit
< 1443124560 958796 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: what? why not, hot oil is a weapon
< 1443124572 929448 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but it doesn't say "hot oil".
< 1443124573 486736 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :they use it to defend castles all the time in stories
< 1443124583 321817 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hot soup is the goblin version
< 1443124620 532941 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443124652 147398 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I think I'm getting it.
< 1443124698 326670 :nycs!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep
< 1443124725 337993 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't shake the intuition that adding cards to a deck will make it stronger.
< 1443124916 680235 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since this deck has 210 cards, it must be unbeatable.
< 1443124957 668627 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: 210 cards? that's scary. what deck is it and what format?
< 1443124974 112158 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: is it Battle of Wits combo?
< 1443124986 884592 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to get rid of all but 60 later.
< 1443124991 266123 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :because that's about the only excuse to play such a large deck
< 1443124995 952137 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Battle of Wits
< 1443125009 524747 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :even in formats with 100 card minimum deck size
< 1443125030 284672 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, except in crazy formats where people draw from a shared cube deck, not separate libraries
< 1443125064 300481 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(they draw either from the shared deck or a basic land of their choice, to be more precise)
< 1443125155 89465 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't forget Prismatic.
< 1443125163 695954 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Got my λ-calculus GUI working. It now will insert λ on backslash, optionally prevent you from making syntax errors, and on  it executes the script and opens a second (non-editable) text area that has the evaluated output in it (though evaluation currently just returns the raw lexed script)
< 1443125173 811961 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: what's Prismatic again?
< 1443125177 489690 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No menu bar to save files or anything, though
< 1443125202 302683 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: six cards of each colour, one with each CMC from 1 to 6, plus a few other things which I forget
< 1443125209 346480 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably colorless cards and land
< 1443125215 205073 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: oh right. I haven't heared of that for a long while.
< 1443125224 841863 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think anyone really plays it any more
< 1443125229 557441 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the people who liked it mostly play Commander now
< 1443125231 152712 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: when evaluation is ready, go try the Y
< 1443125233 41124 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deck must be at least 250 cards, and must contain 20 cards of each color; multicolored cards count as one color of your choice.
< 1443125241 11863 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://archive.wizards.com/Magic/tcg/article.aspx?x=magic/rules/prismatic
< 1443125244 66410 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1443125248 735556 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: The Y-Combinator??
< 1443125248 966466 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I'm thinking of something else
< 1443125252 927954 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prismatic Stairwell or something
< 1443125256 225615 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: yeah
< 1443125261 236325 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1443125265 76772 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I probably will
< 1443125271 930785 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I'd like to try is simply 60 or 100 card singleton (at most one of each non-basic card) multiplayer, without any commander or such crazy rules.
< 1443125286 278649 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: I see
< 1443125308 331630 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I came up with a rather silly format idea.
< 1443125309 730628 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: isn't that much easier these days with so many hybrid cards in print?
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< 1443125329 298600 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: go on
< 1443125331 109419 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably. But if you were to use cards with all five colors, you'd still need 100 of them, not 20.
< 1443125333 232997 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway...
< 1443125359 286729 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: 100 card singleton is a real format, which I think Wizards sanction in some cases
< 1443125363 86544 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(perhaps Magic Online?)
< 1443125363 515373 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just like the vanilla format of your choice, except your deck must be exactly 10 cards and you're limited to one of each non-basic card.
< 1443125370 971684 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: sure, but I could play with three colors of mana base, and use red-white and red-green hybrid cards to cover the 20 red cards, withut ever paying for them with red mana
< 1443125376 430525 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The λ-calculus program supports λ-expressions and named λ-expressions (I = λx.x)
< 1443125386 191840 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: in multiplayer, or duel?
< 1443125393 710873 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: there may well be a Vintage version of that which always wins on turn 1, barring an opposing Force of Will or the like
< 1443125396 187766 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, will support
< 1443125398 364304 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: duel I think, not sure though
< 1443125401 351096 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1443125419 231405 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Additional rule: drawing a card is always optional.
< 1443125495 510999 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: wait, there was some such crazy format someone mentioned: your deck is five cards singleton, drawing is not optional, at game start you arrange your deck as you choose (don't shuffle) and draw a starting hand of zero.
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< 1443125521 536838 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds pretty interesting.
< 1443125530 979099 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not so easy to even make a deck that can win. 
< 1443125538 291989 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it's like a crazy puzzle format.
< 1443125557 121934 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right.
< 1443125650 133223 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's somewhat easier now that we have Elixir of Immortality which you can use with two lands, as opposed to the very expensive Beacons from Fifth Dawn.
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< 1443125853 92078 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I think you can do Mountain, Mountain, Lava Spike, Elixir of Immortality, Lava Spike
< 1443125864 39053 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that's probably not the best thing you can do
< 1443125972 50614 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, Elixir of Immortality gives you 5 life, which combos with Channel+Fireball
< 1443126062 504605 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: have you heard of this five cards arranged yet? it's an interesting puzzle to think of
< 1443126067 92145 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know a really good solution
< 1443126114 746361 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I've seen similar rulesets before but maybe not that one
< 1443126131 694565 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the one I knew was three cards, they all start in your hand, drawing from an empty library doesn't cause you to lose)
< 1443126143 120393 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of the solutions seem to involve Black Lotus somehow
< 1443126174 671204 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: oh, so you can take any number of turns? hmm
< 1443126183 634871 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Laboratory Maniac is another card that seems good in both formats
< 1443126214 837561 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(although if you change your Lava Spikes to Lightning Bolts, you beat at least the most basic versions of the Laboratory Maniac deck)
< 1443126237 233541 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: but in that case, can't you just play a plains and an Elite Vanguard and attack in the next 10 turns?
< 1443126275 105951 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: yes but that loses to most decks because they have faster ways to win
< 1443126358 826059 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or can just burn your creature
< 1443126370 885017 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, Laboratory Maniac
< 1443126372 106637 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting
< 1443126378 365926 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, does your format allow sideboards?
< 1443126385 963389 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could probably do some interesting things with Research//Development
< 1443126390 379737 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... dunno
< 1443126435 428915 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
< 1443126731 894703 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I think your normal maximum hand size is still 7, even if your starting hand has 0 cards
< 1443126883 641710 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: in that three card format, how about Mental Misstep, Plains, Elite Vanguard, and hope that the opponent plays a combo that the Mental Misstep disrupts completely
< 1443126895 559126 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: that was a common sort of build, yes
< 1443126921 158773 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although the cleverer versions involved force of will and some method of winning with one card (e.g. memnite), where if you /didn't/ need the force of will the blue card was useful on its own
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< 1443126943 896962 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could even play a Memnite or Dryad Arbor and two Force of Will
< 1443126944 711086 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :come to think of it, something like island, fugitive wizard, daze works on similar principles
< 1443126951 411191 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but requires you to go first
< 1443126958 798474 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: yeah but two force of will is pointless
< 1443126968 282791 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah true, one is probably enough
< 1443126968 659768 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dryad arbor is clever though
< 1443126979 130571 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually own a Dryad Arbor
< 1443127019 136297 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes, Island and Daze is a good idea
< 1443127027 297748 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew some such counter exists
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< 1443127216 581290 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man. What if my opponents in the tournament turn out not to be goldfish?
< 1443127239 930409 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then use islandwalkers
< 1443127272 943338 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haneb
< 1443127282 662640 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachello
< 1443127323 548161 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you jamming now?
< 1443127336 277508 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think so
< 1443127347 785294 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't own a sugar thermometer
< 1443127355 155911 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"jamming" means "playing magic: the gathering" among other things
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< 1443127367 998595 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: OK, if I can have duplicate cards, what about this for your format?: Black Lotus, Orim's Chant, Soul Warden, Black Lotus, Assemble the Legion
< 1443127388 529241 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: on occasion, not much or very well
< 1443127395 733020 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying very hard to not spend money on it
< 1443127413 5605 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: if you come to california you can have a bunch of free jams hth
< 1443127423 285862 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can do the same in York
< 1443127424 899048 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Orim's Chant beats pretty much any attempt you could make at an early combo; and Soul Warden + Assemble the Legion gives quadratically growing amount of blockers and life, thus quickly outpacing any linearly growing damage or creature strategy tou might have
< 1443127459 43465 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: turn 5 win that works even if opponent has a blocker: Lotus Bloom, Phyrexian Dreadnought, Stifle
< 1443127498 61825 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do want to make that almost-guaranteed lose deck
< 1443127498 323581 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: black lotus > lotus bloom, surely?
< 1443127501 694737 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there something better than Lotus Bloom for this, that gives only two mana?
< 1443127505 280255 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or are we just banning black lotus for being absurd?
< 1443127514 384264 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Black Lotus is VERY expensive
< 1443127522 490578 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: oh, but it's a hypothetical format
< 1443127529 78214 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was assuming we wouldn't need the physical cards
< 1443127530 369900 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, the Phyrexian Dreadnought can costs 20 dollars, it's not a cheap card
< 1443127540 94749 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just discussion over IRC
< 1443127543 592403 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but a Black Lotus, even the cheapest version, is very expensive
< 1443127547 860883 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see it like BF Joust: both players submit their deck list
< 1443127550 609702 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then we work out who wins
< 1443127554 448391 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well sure, for theory you could mention Black Lotus,
< 1443127561 793407 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'd prefer something that doesn't include such inaccessible cards
< 1443127576 489591 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that case you need a banlist
< 1443127598 86256 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could go with the Legacy banlist, or maybe (if it's about accessibility) ban the Reserved List (except nobody can remember what's on it)
< 1443127612 659039 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be great if a format than bans all cards over a price threshold became popular.
< 1443127623 263972 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, Legacy ban list might work
< 1443127627 651890 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: that'd be crazy, as soon as a deck started doing well it would ban itself
< 1443127632 541673 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1443127642 812687 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree, strict price ban is a bad idea
< 1443127644 599736 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: what format do you guys play in CA?
< 1443127655 924757 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still, I'd prefer not to use the power 9 for a thing like this
< 1443127656 566873 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's do Legacy ban list then, because at least it's easy to look up and I can remember most of it
< 1443127669 586412 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I normally play commander
< 1443127676 282111 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :definitely don't use the Reserved list though, that list is just stupid
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< 1443127701 499765 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: it is mostly a list of the most expensive cards, though (by design!)
< 1443127701 966830 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: We played Jamstandard, which allowed all cards from Innistrad onward.
< 1443127705 918393 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there something instead of Lotus Bloom or Black Lotus that works here?
< 1443127734 684562 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: how much time do you have? the time spiral cycle of storage lands can produce unlimited mana given sufficient time (might need another land to help out)
< 1443127756 490573 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I'd specifically like Phyrexian Dreadnought + Stifle to win in turn 4 instead of turn 5
< 1443127761 374400 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :in your format
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< 1443127792 250919 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: this means that you have to play both spells turn 3, right?
< 1443127799 696755 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, turn 2
< 1443127803 412088 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't have haste
< 1443127816 567589 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: oh, you mean the three card format
< 1443127821 394394 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, three card format
< 1443127823 650897 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and without resorting to black lotus
< 1443127832 239425 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1443127838 269824 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the three card format was basically designed around black lotus originally, but after a while they had a rolling ban list
< 1443127845 389541 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :where the most popular card each week was banned for the next week
< 1443127847 843379 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm wait, Lotus Bloom lets you play in turn 4, not turn 3
< 1443127863 394197 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't remember what the decks were like then
< 1443127877 670868 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: would that ban Black Lotus every other week?
< 1443127886 327483 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bans were permanent once enacted, sorry
< 1443127889 823794 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1443127892 230573 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1443127898 376706 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wouldn't you have lots of ties though?
< 1443127904 395401 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :with only three cards per deck
< 1443127923 706458 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not normally, because most people added ways to screw up enemy strategies
< 1443127940 290446 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway I'm having problems playing stiflenought quickly off one card
< 1443127956 280033 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :do any of the Leylines help in the three-card format?
< 1443127982 390636 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of them are either hosers, or require mana
< 1443128006 990470 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't there some old card that lets you get two mana somehow?
< 1443128015 170482 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :though probably you could get only two colorless
< 1443128049 638445 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: there are at least two Legacy-legal lands that produce {2} (with drawbacks you don't care about)
< 1443128052 875519 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in this format)
< 1443128065 914107 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's also a few cards that scale based on what you have in play
< 1443128075 949504 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which are kind-of useless in a 3-card format but would work for this elsewhere
< 1443128112 85962 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :five card arrange no starting draw: “Black Lotus, Orim's Chant, Soul Warden, Black Lotus, Assemble the Legion” -- Orim's Chant is intersting, probably a very good choice, but Assemble the Legion costs five mana, so how do you play for all of this with two lotuses?
< 1443128127 741033 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a hilarious (tier 2 or maybe 3) Legacy deck whose perfect hand is five leylines, opalescence, serra's sanctum
< 1443128141 310289 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: there are two possibilities
< 1443128153 265988 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the opponent's strategy is screwed up by the orim's chant, you use that to make the opponent useless
< 1443128156 394556 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then kill them with the soul warden
< 1443128162 798588 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it isn't, you don't cast the orim's chant at all
< 1443128192 531800 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1443128198 623 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno, it might work
< 1443128254 399117 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the big problem with my assemble the legion deck is that it can't beat a laboratory maniac
< 1443128270 409448 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :neither by preventing it resolving nor by killing it nor by winning first
< 1443128289 59768 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess maybe I should be playing some general-purpose 3-mana removal spell over orim's chant
< 1443128570 115301 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I don't understand why you play Soul Warden
< 1443128601 509501 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: so that if someone is recurring lava spikes or the like
< 1443128603 350481 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I outpace them
< 1443128609 71281 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: can basic lands be banned if one becomes the most popular during the week?
< 1443128612 466784 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise they might be able to burn me out before I get to 20
< 1443128615 234722 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I think so
< 1443128619 250157 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there are tons of substitutes
< 1443128623 417845 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a format like this
< 1443128627 401233 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. Pendelhaven over Forest
< 1443128629 869029 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :true
< 1443128630 547008 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :will work in most decks
< 1443128658 826449 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :still, with one popular card banned, this format could get very strange after some weeks
< 1443128665 700926 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :with or without lands
< 1443128674 354946 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: what constitutes an "almost-guaranteed lose deck"?
< 1443128707 470674 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember reading about it, some Magic blog posted an April fools joke that described a deck guaranteed to end the game on the first turn or something
< 1443128783 289305 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: in the five card format, if you can play two Black Lotuses (that would be sick, it's restricted in Vintage afterall), then two Black Lotus, two Brain Freeze, and some defensive card
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< 1443128835 752562 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: actually, in the five card format
< 1443128839 230041 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mill seems very, very strong
< 1443128844 610393 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1443128865 224908 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a turn 3 ancestral recall on the draw outright wins, and that only costs one mana
< 1443128869 22517 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you aim it at your opponent)
< 1443128916 734298 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is the 5 card format?
< 1443128926 980738 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: doesn't win outright. wins against some decks, but not all
< 1443128933 931469 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443128946 445892 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: your opponent has drawn only one card yet, draws 3 for Ancestral Recall, one on his next turn
< 1443128949 929791 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :he might win then
< 1443128958 676299 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, now I'm reminded that there was a time where the top deck in the format (which dominated) had mill as its win condition, and could only mill finitely many cards
< 1443128959 377398 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it sounds strong, but not an outright win
< 1443128964 547446 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so people were beating it with a deck of 600 island
< 1443128983 292671 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: 600 island? that'd be hard to shuffle
< 1443128989 831528 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: maximum+minimum deck size 5, starting hand size 0, you can reorder your library at the start of the game
< 1443128998 823730 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: there's some debate about whether you have to shuffle if all the cards are the same
< 1443129004 739404 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because all orderings are equally random
< 1443129049 611014 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have played an infinite life deck where one of my win strategies is to just wait for about 60 turns for the opponents to mill, and reshuffle my own deck. I also have creatures, but those can be foiled by many decks.
< 1443129075 746611 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a VERY bad deck the play against, so I only played it once so far.
< 1443129081 969248 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should rebuild it some time and play it again.
< 1443129109 775404 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I'd rather want to build a green-blue infinite mana deck now. I did build one but there's many new cards that make it much better now.
< 1443129119 150914 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was ages ago when I built it.
< 1443129191 344661 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you do if the opponent has an emrakul?
< 1443129205 119879 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we should arrange a magic-over-IRC thing anyway
< 1443129215 846628 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: found it: Seafloor Debris. Add that to Phyrexian Dreadnought and Stifle.
< 1443129221 762552 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knwe there had to be such a land.
< 1443129242 263454 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no money needs spending, no copyright issues as we're just doing a play-by-play with no actual copy involved, no actual cards needed
< 1443129260 151758 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: um, you can play with proxies in person too
< 1443129264 386668 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: that can't create two on the same turn
< 1443129264 564546 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I like the physical cards
< 1443129265 775677 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're nice
< 1443129272 328400 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hmm true
< 1443129273 348141 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn
< 1443129275 242124 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I know you can do proxies in person but that'd be no good for playing against #esoteric people
< 1443129276 669935 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that won't work
< 1443129293 187733 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And even if you allow some proxies, physical non-proxy cards are nice.
< 1443129301 64122 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually like the art and flavor text and such things of cards.
< 1443129312 561011 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :In my view the picture wastes half the card space.
< 1443129313 910819 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Not of all cards, sure. There are really bad ones.)
< 1443129314 88852 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yes, that's the reason I used to buy them (that the physical cards are nice)
< 1443129322 178813 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not any more, Lorwyn pretty much put me off Magic for good
< 1443129330 803287 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: it's used by most top players to recognise the card across the table
< 1443129335 779661 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :way easier than trying to read the name
< 1443129345 657529 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: why, isn't half of #esoteric in finland and the other half in the UK? :-)
< 1443129347 819107 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, that's true, the picture is useful as an identifier.
< 1443129364 698669 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: but the UK is quite big
< 1443129396 224449 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly. black card with old frame and ugly pink background picture with creatures with a misshapen head, you don't have to read the text to know it's a stupid bad card.
< 1443129440 781011 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's Phyrexian Broodlings)
< 1443129496 332799 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :If we played M:tG over IRC, I'd probably use physical cards to represent much of the state locally
< 1443129499 234947 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: what's your opinion on Stasis? especially the art
< 1443129531 255769 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :we could try to organize such a thing, but I haven't got a good deck built currently
< 1443129556 216886 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: dunno, that one has very strange art. you only find that kind of thing only on old cards.
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< 1443129609 376186 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What was that terrible card that converted mana for {3}?
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< 1443129642 823411 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: once? repeatably?
< 1443129655 10842 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was an artifact that could convert mana, or something like that.
< 1443129674 379785 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: artifact? not land or creature?
< 1443129725 239013 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might be wrong about the cost.
< 1443129734 490103 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know some creatures that convert mana (without needing to tap), but not ones that need that much mana for it.
< 1443129754 702369 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that snake shaman guy is the most famous, because it converts any amount of mana for free
< 1443129763 608997 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Celestial Prism
< 1443129764 181729 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Orochi Leafcaller
< 1443129787 415981 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :then there are some elves
< 1443129810 303107 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: oh, that even requires tapping. that seems very useless.
< 1443129877 620926 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :This card is not very good.
< 1443129889 664321 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I mean, for 3 you get a Darksteel Ignot or lots of similar things
< 1443129901 164077 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in alpha, I guess?
< 1443129901 735042 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Remember those neural net generated magic cards
< 1443129913 271628 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :My favourite was "You may spend (1)"
< 1443129968 394965 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's Skyshroud Elf which converts _colorless_ mana to white or red for free
< 1443129995 774668 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is there that converts any amount of mana to any color for free, or to a color chosen when it enters the battlefield?
< 1443130093 779076 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :celestial dawn kind-of counts
< 1443130112 795389 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a card in return to ravnica that makes all lands produce any color of mana
< 1443130117 139244 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And is there something that converts any amount of mana to _green_ mana for free?
< 1443130202 518162 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: in the sense of Chromatic Lantern, or replacing the mana they produce, or adding a trigger for additional mana like Fertile Ground? 
< 1443130225 643173 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it replaces the mana they produce, IIRC
< 1443130239 598129 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably is literally chromatic lantern, actually
< 1443130247 808020 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not in ravnica
< 1443130251 757114 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps with misremembered details
< 1443130252 995070 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's in RtR.
< 1443130261 987387 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1443130274 487397 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it is in return to ravnica, which is where I said it was, just checked
< 1443130278 30750 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm wait, I think I remember something
< 1443130278 499293 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that doens't help you with non-land mana, or mana from before you had it.
< 1443130284 893170 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh indeed, that's what you said
< 1443130343 472925 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: oh, prismatic omen is another card along similar lines
< 1443130348 407079 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it gives all your lands all basic land types
< 1443130359 939445 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in addition to whatever they normally do
< 1443130364 675004 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :All of that is about producing karma, though.
< 1443130382 483336 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort-of like urborg, but multicolored, doesn't help your opponent, and doesn't produce mana itself
< 1443130387 511609 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have to decide when you tap your land.
< 1443130411 71062 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found Bog Initiate which converts to black
< 1443130441 644881 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't find anything that converts to green.
< 1443130460 256384 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :strange
< 1443130465 339516 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nor blu.
< 1443130466 495403 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :e
< 1443130516 85520 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1443130617 335413 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mind you, Orochi Leafcaller is sometimes good enough, because many decks that create lots of mana can create green
< 1443130620 676685 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still
< 1443130637 715747 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443130677 327328 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it isn't good enough for "convert to green".
< 1443130693 801254 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hierjan
< 1443130894 891907 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1443131035 555468 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I can convert blue to any color using either Horseshoe Crab or Pemmin's Aura or Freed from the Real plus one other card of which there are many choices
< 1443131062 243795 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm not sure how to convert from colorless mana
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< 1443131063 641312 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, but we were talking about converting *to* a particular color.
< 1443131104 267726 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even see anything that converts {2} or {3} to {G}, infinitely repeatably
< 1443131116 186101 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :except maybe very complicated combos
< 1443131130 156008 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, so complicated that it's easier to just get an infinite mana combo
< 1443131141 820330 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :one that generates infinite green mana
< 1443131227 117935 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: is there something that lets you convert (colorless or white or red) mana to green in a way that's infinitely repeatable without requiring other resources, possibly consuming more than one mana?
< 1443131251 333083 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: there's a combo that does that in my favourite deck but it's really complicated
< 1443131273 890506 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: exactly, with a complicated combo, I can just generate infinite mana 
< 1443131320 254191 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you don't worry about how hard it is to set it up in a real game, it's easy to get a three-card infinite combo that generates any color
< 1443131326 513564 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my combo can generate infinite black, and can also convert 2B into BBC for any color C
< 1443131340 989307 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is enough for infinite of any color
< 1443131346 544729 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the hard part is to make a deck that sets this up without the opponent disrupting the setup and winning
< 1443131346 722889 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but those are two separate steps
< 1443131353 643865 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that happen to use the same cards, but in a different way)
< 1443131365 368034 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I think you mentioned that combo
< 1443131365 816170 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, my deck is easy to disrupt, but can rebuild from basically nothing very quickly
< 1443131369 934066 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've had times when someone's wrathed me
< 1443131374 743850 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the next turn I play out 10 creatures and combo out
< 1443131375 895013 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hichaf
< 1443131379 101155 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa whoa whoa, does it invent nitia?
< 1443131382 268840 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? nitia
< 1443131383 641249 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nitia is the inventor of all things. The BBC invented her.
< 1443131393 261737 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, I'm optimistic, I think I can build an infinite mana deck that will work 
< 1443131419 107336 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: no, it invents the inventor of nitia
< 1443131440 917978 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"it" being the BBC it creates.
< 1443131455 9865 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose there's only one.
< 1443131455 429424 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, right
< 1443131459 215268 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know in that case
< 1443131467 210679 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's /possible/, perhaps, on a sufficiently metaphysical level
< 1443131474 76491 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`culprits wisdom/ais523
< 1443131474 993658 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523's combo invents the inventor of nitia. Taneb invented it.
< 1443131476 167544 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e ais523 oerjan elliott Bike FreeFull elliott Sgeo Bike oerjan Taneb ais523 ais523 elliott oerjan elliott FreeFull oerjan oerjan oerjan oerjan FreeFull shachaf shachaf nitia
< 1443131494 212025 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently nitia invented ais523
< 1443131496 224563 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a lot of culprits for such a pointless entry
< 1443131499 555628 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is getting pretty complicated
< 1443131548 398953 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`culprits wisdom/taneb
< 1443131550 318703 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan Taneb oerjan oerjan elliott shachaf boily oerjan ais523 ais523 shachaf elliott FreeFull shachaf shachaf oerjan oerjan FreeFull oerjan FreeFull Taneb shachaf shachaf nitia
< 1443131557 110207 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :truly, nitia is the inventor of all things
< 1443131559 902938 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, it seems there are a couple of creature or artifact cards that have built-in abilities to untap for lots of mana. Those can be used with Utopia Vow or that better aura from Theros block to convert lots of colorless mana to any color
< 1443131584 736359 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Voltaic Construct is the easiest
< 1443131599 944481 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Voltaic Construct plus Scuttlemutt converts {2} to any color
< 1443131717 340532 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Voltaic Construct plus (Heartstone or Power Artifact or Training Grounds) plus Scuttlemutt lets you convert {1} to any color
< 1443131779 909813 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, so my solution is Voltaic Construct, Heartstone, Scuttlemutt
< 1443131814 286387 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: is that good enough?
< 1443131820 40236 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :For what?
< 1443131824 859943 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I posed a problem.
< 1443131830 627783 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I know
< 1443131833 374094 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I started the whole thing
< 1443131929 143012 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mana abilities are so complicated.
< 1443131937 412864 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish this whole game was scrapped and replaced with something simpler.
< 1443131976 704823 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just make up a new game then
< 1443132033 455256 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are some stuff in Magic: the Gathering I don't like, for example I would remove the rules about Auras that are also creatures being discarded and stuff like that, as well as fixing the rules for card types and for some other things to make them more mathematically elegant; I think some rule not so mathematically elegant
< 1443132144 845641 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yes, I was wondering what was the most complicated that could happen immediately when activating a mana ability. I know you can sacrifice a creature, but I can't seem to make that cause anything disastrous immediately using static effects.
< 1443132169 812724 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :This Voltaic Construct is interesting. I wonder if I could use it somehow.
< 1443132172 476489 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mostly like Magic: the Gathering though, including how mana abilities work and so on
< 1443132181 512299 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the puzzles especially
< 1443132282 467392 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I would also want to make up a new kind of entirely different card game, that can be invent a programming language to invent the game and then write the rules as literate computer program. Makes it more clearly. I would also do it much more mathematically elegant. (My plan was to make the game "Aberration Hater Card Game", with several game modes, such as Solomon vs Rochester vs Sealed, symmetric vs asymmetric, two-players vs three-players vs Bri
< 1443132313 773179 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Your message was cut off.
< 1443132344 985874 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the idea of a game with computer-interprable rules which is mathematically elegant.
< 1443132375 844344 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've wondered what sort of programming language you'd need to be able to express something similar to Magic: The Gathering cards concisely.
< 1443132413 873316 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although if you were designing the system from scratch to work that way you could get away with not having some of the complications that Magic: The Gathering has.
< 1443132416 562132 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: better: write an interpreter that takes Oracle text as its input langauge
< 1443132439 224643 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think that's better.
< 1443132468 522394 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oracle English is better than regular English, but it's still very complicated and irregular.
< 1443132476 742692 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And so are the rules themselves.
< 1443132480 990643 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Actually my idea was to have both; have a natural language parser which allows formatting codes and various other codes, it can then be printed or converted to computer codes, and can include inline computer-codes which are not printed (in order to deal with irregulatities and so on).
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< 1443132497 619870 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The rules themself though would be written using literate computer-code instead.
< 1443132508 897857 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There should be a simple language which, if you want, you can translate to English card text. Though I don't know if that's even a good idea.
< 1443132529 853358 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Things like MtG keywords should be like library calls, with the core rule set being relatively small.
< 1443132540 624436 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like my idea though? It is pretty much different.
< 1443132561 952190 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The question is how to make a language/environment which can modify itself to the degree that MtG cards can.
< 1443132572 904425 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I did think of several ideas about it
< 1443132591 616389 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And is also nearly as concise as English.)
< 1443132634 986984 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you type () or [] then it is comments in the card text, but the formatting is different; () print with () included in printout and italics while [] is printed without the [] but text inside is printed, and then perhaps (- -) or {- -} or whatever might include inline computer-codes which are not included in the printout.
< 1443132642 760589 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: your messages keep getting cut off. i think your irc client needs better message length handling. perhaps splitting but at least a warning.
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< 1443132829 129158 :rafajafar!~rafajafar@pool-71-163-48-121.washdc.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone here interested in serialization? I'd reallllly like some conversation and feedback on a spec for binary data transfer that follows closely with json
< 1443132840 844743 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it is RDF then consider something like:   [:counter [!_:a :target :spell]; :replacing [:when [:moving [:what _:a; :from :stack; :to :graveyard]]; :replace-with [:moving [:to :library]]]]
< 1443132859 853004 :rafajafar!~rafajafar@pool-71-163-48-121.washdc.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have the spec up here, am working on it, but sure could use some foresight from those who may have some: https://github.com/rafajafar/binjas/blob/master/specification.txt
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< 1443134045 738995 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gVd EvniG!!!
< 1443134071 758003 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bons\oiren\!
< 1443134076 144026 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boelloyly!
< 1443134086 537867 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :boilyo
< 1443134097 28125 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :yoren
< 1443134140 559535 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bonshachafoir
< 1443134151 533126 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :yo dawg
< 1443134156 610187 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://slbkbs.org/yawg-prime.png
< 1443134173 705109 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rafajafar: have you heard of BSON?
< 1443134192 212255 :rafajafar!~rafajafar@pool-71-163-48-121.washdc.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1443134220 2008 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :BSON is a scow encoding, if I remember correctly.
< 1443134221 814718 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bonsoirafajafar.
< 1443134229 828130 :rafajafar!~rafajafar@pool-71-163-48-121.washdc.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are a lot of issues with it, primary of which is how frequently it actually makes things larger
< 1443134240 140493 :rafajafar!~rafajafar@pool-71-163-48-121.washdc.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :more importantly, it has data types that aren't necessary
< 1443134244 368572 :rafajafar!~rafajafar@pool-71-163-48-121.washdc.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :such as, oh, dates
< 1443134247 895407 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hoily
< 1443134256 114784 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: this is a prime?
< 1443134263 563288 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bonsœirjan.
< 1443134273 920617 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :bonjoerjan
< 1443134281 541463 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :the two 'j's are pronounced the same way hth
< 1443134328 855116 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good night
< 1443134330 932349 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :by philistines and infidels, maybe
< 1443134334 921411 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bonne tanuitb!
< 1443134348 387425 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Norwegian j or Fren j?
< 1443134352 866640 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/n\b/nch/
< 1443134369 80165 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Norwegianch or Fren? that's up to you
< 1443134371 133951 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ghargh. can't even regexp tonight.
< 1443134382 484077 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll go with Norwegianch. I am cursed.
< 1443134409 926677 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Norwejan
< 1443134419 792257 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION shall now endeavor to pronounce the two h's in shachaf's name equally
< 1443134452 876129 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are already
< 1443134472 880091 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION cackles evilly
< 1443134478 315200 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric : both palatalize the preceding shound
< 1443134479 91358 :rafajafar!~rafajafar@pool-71-163-48-121.washdc.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: like it's very interesting that bson has a date data type when json itself doesn't
< 1443134494 853504 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but Javascript does
< 1443134499 13608 :rafajafar!~rafajafar@pool-71-163-48-121.washdc.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but json doesnt
< 1443134499 191813 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: i believe you are wrong hth
< 1443134514 716210 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, i was supposed to annoy shachaf not defend him
< 1443134520 163376 :rafajafar!~rafajafar@pool-71-163-48-121.washdc.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's not a data type in javascript
< 1443134527 278357 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would you want to annoy me?
< 1443134531 205091 :rafajafar!~rafajafar@pool-71-163-48-121.washdc.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just a class that most implementations have built in
< 1443134544 64319 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the c is pronounced as a /t/ in 'ch'
< 1443134563 863830 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :help
< 1443134568 368692 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, a 'ts'
< 1443134573 430527 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :/ts/
< 1443134577 971447 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't even know what you're trying to say now
< 1443134580 461600 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1443134588 818426 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ch is a voiceless uvular fricative hth
< 1443134597 27133 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: sweet sweet vengeance hth
< 1443134631 303595 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :palatalized ts is tʃ
< 1443134646 771835 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :looj
< 1443134662 275864 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :/ʃatʃaf/
< 1443134665 963480 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :itt \oren\ confuses english and hebrew
< 1443134684 707170 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or perhaps just tries to annoy shachaf
< 1443134689 747507 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://forvo.com/word/%D7%A9%D7%97%D7%A3/
< 1443134734 831425 :mauris_!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mentally say ʃɑχɑf or whatever
< 1443134753 695002 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( /χχχχχχχχχχχχχχχχ/ )
< 1443134755 585110 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then your spelling it worng hth.
< 1443134761 484877 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shahaf
< 1443134762 584625 :mauris_!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice i'm close, i just mentally englishify the vowels!
< 1443134774 849915 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're pronouncing it wrong hth
< 1443134788 213915 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan is truly an evil overlord
< 1443134788 515881 :mauris_!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i have pronounced words for forvo
< 1443134799 562161 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :planting confusion behind the scenes
< 1443134806 270593 :mauris_!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :"my good deed to the earth hth"
< 1443134809 895496 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not the right verb but i'm too confused to think of the right one
< 1443134812 520606 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: well that girl on that website is saying /ʃahaf/
< 1443134829 943836 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, she's using a fricative
< 1443134840 138033 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :an h is a fricative!
< 1443134843 778667 :mauris_!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow that is not /h/
< 1443134872 840298 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :here's another one http://forvo.com/word/shachaf/
< 1443134875 596623 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well then it's shaghaf
< 1443134876 777143 :mauris_!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can hear her uvula go chhhh! it is right there
< 1443134880 814317 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :looj it's uvular ok
< 1443134886 768193 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :==mauris_
< 1443134899 810383 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or or maybe shakhaf
< 1443134904 405698 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: is the stress on the first or the last syllable, that link sounded perfectly ambiguous
< 1443134914 450538 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` grep -FIin uvular wisdom/*
< 1443134916 213778 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the first one)
< 1443134917 593232 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :grep: wisdom/le: Is a directory \ grep: wisdom/¯\(°_o): Is a directory \ grep: wisdom/¯\(°​_o): Is a directory
< 1443134919 486787 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :only a norwegian would think that's ambiguous hth
< 1443134920 665823 :mauris_!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :shakhaf would work (this is what some people do for /x/ in russian)
< 1443134931 359832 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote uvular
< 1443134932 104045 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1094)  nooodl: when my girlfriend asks me to give her uvular fricative I'm pretty sure that's not what she means
< 1443134934 385393 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mauris_: the russian sound is velar not uvular hth
< 1443134945 625608 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm the second was clearly on the first
< 1443134957 852068 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: the emphasis in oerjan is on both syllables, right?
< 1443134959 826517 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but normal engish speakers pronounce 'ch' as 'tʃ' ok
< 1443134961 173072 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something bizarre like that
< 1443134966 45969 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i've been stressing your name wrongly all this time tdnh
< 1443134971 107731 :mauris_!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but to the western world it falls nicely under "weird foreign throaty sounds we'll just spell kh"
< 1443134986 77657 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: i eschew that pronunciation hth
< 1443134998 171231 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sound isn't even throaty
< 1443135017 560619 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the french r throaty?
< 1443135031 497688 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: it depends. mostly yes.
< 1443135056 558827 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i find it a bit hard to decide.  supposedly stress should be on the first syllable but it's not as distinct in words with the second pitch accent
< 1443135058 932372 :mauris_!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's usually the ch in your name but voiced!
< 1443135088 435054 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mauris_: mostly. there is some variation between the trill and fricative.
< 1443135128 195115 :mauris_!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i've heard approximants in canadaian french, or am i just loopy?
< 1443135160 459235 :rafajafar!~rafajafar@pool-71-163-48-121.washdc.fios.verizon.net PART :#esoteric
< 1443135170 253170 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : that's not the right verb but i'm too confused to think of the right one <-- sow hth
< 1443135179 787290 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah the kebecwas pronounce it like english r
< 1443135189 406404 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh?
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< 1443135242 548308 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: that is highly dubious.
< 1443135288 416316 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm ok apparently that's only people from ottawa
< 1443135300 520200 :mauris_!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :what i've definitely heard from french canadians is like...
< 1443135325 4505 :mauris_!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :they'll say words like "hamburger" with approximants to stick close to english
< 1443135345 797183 :mauris_!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas here in europe people go hambuʁʁʁʁʁgeʁʁʁʁʁ and it's funny
< 1443135364 226047 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah all kebecwas do taht, defiantly
< 1443135386 357772 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: sorry, you aren't even wrong.
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< 1443135473 190987 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: you don't like my englishification of quebecois?
< 1443135493 442616 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kebecwas
< 1443135506 407603 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hamburger sounds kind of like /æmbə̥'gœɹ/.
< 1443135593 358625 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see
< 1443135602 194528 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: ma vengeance sera terrible!
< 1443135623 878656 :mauris_!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: avez-vous un microphone? there's so few samples of canadian french on the internet :<
< 1443135650 222039 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mauris_: j'ai un micro, et tu peux me tutoyer. any sentence you'd like to hear?
< 1443135688 339510 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443135710 395180 :mauris_!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :just "hamburger" was on my mind, but you can optionally jam it into a sentence!
< 1443135723 154639 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, let's try...
< 1443135813 527196 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6oeAdemFZw
< 1443135816 299618 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :õmbyʁgɛʁ
< 1443135827 958179 :mauris_!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, neat! i thought people speaking languages with T-V distinction usually vouvoyer'd each other on the internet
< 1443135877 165761 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :when you say throaty, i think of e.g. pharyngeal sounds
< 1443135881 707659 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: not available tdnh
< 1443135895 954838 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's ok i can imagine peter sellers in my mind
< 1443135913 745538 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ʕ or ħ
< 1443135913 948078 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn't peter sellers
< 1443135927 208669 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can it not be peter sellers
< 1443135936 956896 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was a remake hth
< 1443135950 631483 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmph
< 1443135961 346179 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? hmph
< 1443135962 281755 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :His Master's Phonetic Hmph
< 1443135966 626978 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i shall imagine peter sellers anyhow hth
< 1443135980 58688 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: https://www.dropbox.com/s/xe7pj3e4psp5p90/hamburger.ogg?dl=0
< 1443135987 152000 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`culprits wisdom/hmph
< 1443135988 749423 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan
< 1443136001 887919 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did someone say a programming language to express Magic: the Gathering cards in?
< 1443136005 184691 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or i can just click in the sidebar
< 1443136013 838285 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about Python?
< 1443136016 165811 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you made me laugh with your omburguère.
< 1443136047 741788 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it  is steve martin
< 1443136049 263069 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :effect = add_blocking_restriction(lambda victim: not victim.flying)
< 1443136078 945947 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. confused mroman and mauris.
< 1443136082 325433 :mauris_!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: this is adorable <3
< 1443136100 554459 :mauris_!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :also canadian french is freaky
< 1443136103 822688 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, with Python you can't define a method using = like that.
< 1443136124 519775 :mauris_!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can only understand like 25% of this, the ts and dz throws me off
< 1443136128 200953 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mauris_: it was quite standard French. I was light with the regionalisms.
< 1443136131 117004 :Guest-Pirc!~Guest-Pir@host123.181-10-32.telecom.net.ar JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443136147 1679 :mauris_!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :(mind, i can only understand like 50% of france french to begin with)
< 1443136187 461089 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :def effect(self): deal_damage(self.targets.player, 4); for c in self.targets.player.creatures { deal_damage(c, 4) }
< 1443136218 417520 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok that'll do, mustn't overdose
< 1443136301 875336 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :def effect(self): card = self.targets.creature.controller.reveal_random_from_hand(); cmc = card.converted_mana_cost; self.deal_damage(self.targets.creature, cmc); self.deal_damage(self.targets.creature.controller, cmc)
< 1443136306 104266 :sc00fy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1443136324 332969 :mauris_!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: pff what if add_blocking_restriction returns a lambda that takes a `self` parameter that (etc.)
< 1443136327 565470 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounded like a normal english r in ambergar
< 1443136365 196156 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :mauris_: then I'll punch whoever wrote the framework in the face.
< 1443136404 233716 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: until they give you a good api? sounds reasonable
< 1443136409 103448 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup.
< 1443136465 556112 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :def attack_trigger(self): victim = self.controller.select_target(creature); if victim is not None: victim.add_blocking_restriction(lambda: false, until_end_of_turn)
< 1443136481 34422 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know, this would actually be an interesting challenge.
< 1443136495 486993 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Amberg: a small german village whose inhabitants are furious that a misspelling caused Hamburg to steal the credit for their gastronomical masterpiece
< 1443136533 485798 :Guest-Pirc!~Guest-Pir@host123.181-10-32.telecom.net.ar QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
< 1443136558 214983 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*German
< 1443136574 568650 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Amberg is named after a person who once found a piece of ambergris lying on the beach, but then had their legs eaten by a bear and they died, so in that person's memory the townsfolk chopped off the last three letters of the word "ambergris".
< 1443136595 260652 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, it's the other way around.
< 1443136610 334640 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they chopped the legs off a whale?
< 1443136620 614960 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ambergris is named after its discoverer, a person whose name was Chris, and who was from Amberg, and thus was called Amberg Chris.
< 1443136637 773123 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Amberg is halfway between regensberg and bayreuth, which I assume is the german version of beirut
< 1443136648 7101 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? monoid
< 1443136648 868974 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Monoids are just categories with a single object.
< 1443136649 543154 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? monoids
< 1443136650 666558 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Monoids are the easy version of categories.
< 1443136664 831868 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :The monoid/monoids situation must be rectified.
< 1443136695 574556 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443136704 839387 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? category
< 1443136705 798007 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Categories are just a special case of bicategories.
< 1443136712 601073 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: no no no no no! It's just a German conflagration of a strong verb and a mountain. male boasting, if you want. Am berg. Are berg. Is berg. You small-hill.
< 1443136712 822666 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? bicategory
< 1443136713 712074 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bicategories are just categories where composition is only associative up to an isomorphism.
< 1443136729 593049 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: ah, got it.
< 1443136733 89866 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Monoids are just the easy version of categories with a single object.
< 1443136735 715826 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'monoid': Monoids are just the easy version of categories with a single object.
< 1443136739 155707 :mauris_!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1443136739 334588 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :amberg is next to a town called bamberg
< 1443136745 338087 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rm wisdom/monoids
< 1443136747 336189 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1443136751 46121 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :isinmtu
< 1443136752 225338 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: that what you meant?
< 1443136759 735853 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you're aware, of course, that the combined wisdom doesn't really make sense.
< 1443136767 320462 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shocking
< 1443136775 577142 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :`le/rn category/A category is just a category object in the category of classes.
< 1443136777 839280 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned «category»
< 1443136810 475420 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: actually i think it makes perfect sense.
< 1443136828 718381 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bamberg_potato
< 1443136871 691812 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: shouldn't that be Eisberg hth
< 1443136914 279831 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/74/Franconia_details.png as you can see, Amberg, Bamberg and Nuremberg are close to each other
< 1443136930 451802 :mauris_!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443136970 477492 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Coberg is also nearby
< 1443137100 449028 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
< 1443137125 45287 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not Zoidberg
< 1443137162 481308 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you're thinking of a salad hth
< 1443137268 681013 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmm, salad
< 1443137297 317993 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently when Magic R&D is playtesting, they use cards that look like this: http://media.wizards.com/legacy/global/images/mtgcom_daily_af40_picmain_en.jpg
< 1443137312 576112 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :The entire contents of that card, for our viewers at home:
< 1443137317 487783 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Hat 3"
< 1443137346 518694 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? hat
< 1443137347 535604 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hatee-hatee-hatee-hooo
< 1443137441 148442 :mauris_!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? hat
< 1443137442 32014 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hatee-hatee-hatee-hooo
< 1443137453 10342 :mauris_!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i. ok
< 1443137468 339875 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :`le/rn kayayaya/Ka-ya-ya-ya. Ka-ya-ya-ya-ya. Ka-ya-ya-ya. Ka-ya-ya-ya-ya.
< 1443137470 772537 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned «kayayaya»
< 1443137476 140654 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :In case anyone was wondering.
< 1443137544 581381 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man, "loudly" has got to be the best thing I've done for this channel.
< 1443137554 55551 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know why you aren't all heaping praise upon me.
< 1443137574 246516 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: itym HAT³ hth
< 1443137630 960918 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :os
< 1443137646 571259 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: I'm sure we're all afraid of suffocating you.
< 1443137653 372232 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: imperial or metric heap?
< 1443137653 566038 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, yes, that must be it.
< 1443137955 412489 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is os
< 1443138020 218198 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? os
< 1443138021 798020 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Os is the accusative plural of us. Also a municipality in Norway.
< 1443138193 679554 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't help
< 1443138543 571527 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it have a wisard?
< 1443138760 223598 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, just a wisard
< 1443138811 416419 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, what's the difference?
< 1443138968 719096 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(mental spell correction working a little too well, perhaps?)
< 1443139586 155155 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443140232 245092 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No I was to make new kind of programming language for Magic: the Gathering, so not Python. If existing one is use then possibly Haskell, but I would think a new one so that the compiler can figure out what stuff can interfere and add all necessary checks in the proper places.
< 1443140254 937754 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1443140296 192066 :mauris_!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://puu.sh/kn5vc/737a29bddb.png help, i can't do proofs
< 1443140394 44343 :mauris_!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is that question mark trying to tell me
< 1443140874 120689 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.lefthandedtoons.com/1832/
< 1443141158 520164 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :mauris_: it's not clear what y_5 is supposed to be.
< 1443141392 174722 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(from a slightly different perspective, there are two choices for P_5: P_5(x) = t_2(x), and P_5(x) = t_2(y_2))
< 1443141764 112450 :mauris_!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1443142128 824830 :bender!~benderx2@2404:e800:e61a:41d:3508:d3e7:4eb6:fffe JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443142129 55824 :bender!~benderx2@2404:e800:e61a:41d:3508:d3e7:4eb6:fffe QUIT :Changing host
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< 1443142824 592685 :mauris_!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
< 1443142835 316418 :mauris_!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443143138 563289 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: could you give an example of "stuff that can interfere" and the necessary checks?
< 1443143259 857840 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: I think I gave a few examples above, but other examples can be text-editing effects, replacement effects, and other stuff. So the programming language must support the types of triggers, events, actions, overrides, replacements, etc. I thought to use extensible types for such things.
< 1443143359 592702 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :RDF represents the data as a directed graph and allows adding nodes/edges anywhere in the graph, so I thought to represent the program as a RDF graph; you can have multiple graphs combined together (with duplicate edges removed afterward) and then macro processed (using Macro-RDF, which is something else I invented), and then finally is compiled into Haskell codes or C codes or whatever
< 1443143380 534722 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443143423 325369 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-iekgpkabgcoqpawa JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443143501 4990 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are a few similarities to rule-based and aspect-based programming too, but this is more of a declarative kind of system
< 1443143505 983492 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Magic cards definitely seem more code-like than data-like to me.
< 1443143513 504036 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I can see why you'd want a specialized language.
< 1443143530 286112 :mauris_!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1443143618 623962 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes it is more code-like than data-like, although depending on programming languages you can treat them in similar ways.
< 1443143648 43561 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think a general-purpose programming language like Python, Haskell or C# would definitely do it, but a specialized language would do it more concisely.
< 1443143652 522872 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did show an example code above; what is your opinion of that one?
< 1443143665 268707 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Yes, that is how I meant; a specialized language would do it better
< 1443143781 411150 :fowl!fowl@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-hfvwzvgasvkdabgn PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom
< 1443143784 320917 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cyberdrone/cyberdrone is a drone flying in cyberspace.
< 1443144164 520183 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :A cyberspace is a space object in the category of cyber algebras.
< 1443144187 202696 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :A cyberdrone is a drone object in the category of cyber algebras.
< 1443144198 634030 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :A Pop Tart is a Tart object in the category of Pop algebras.
< 1443144236 124276 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :A Tart object is an object object in the category of Tart algebras.
< 1443144245 978101 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :An object object is an object object in the category of object algebras.
< 1443144260 570294 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :An object algebra is an algebra object in the category of object algebras.
< 1443144275 988760 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :An algebra object is an algebra object in the category of algebra algebras.
< 1443144279 792718 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :You get the idea.
< 1443144348 442357 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :A pepperoni pizza is a pizza object in the category of pepperoni algebras.
< 1443144386 876287 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :we got the idea a long time ago hth
< 1443144749 467423 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fellowl. long time no see.
< 1443144758 973906 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom
< 1443144760 173290 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unicide/Unicide is when people can't read your suicide note because they lack the proper font.
< 1443144767 540171 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom
< 1443144769 747112 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indentity function/indentity function is the function that measures how indented source code is.
< 1443144912 921658 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom
< 1443144914 272625 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :welkom/Welkom bij het internationaal centrum voor het ontwerpen en implementeren van esoterische programmeertalen! Voor meer informatie, bezoek de wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (Voor de andere soort esoterie is er #esoteric op irc.dal.net.)
< 1443144937 252091 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that message is out of date tdnh
< 1443144947 613871 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is?
< 1443144960 989945 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mauris: care to certify the Dutchiness degree of that message?
< 1443144988 28737 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(afair, you're Belgian and/or Netherlandsish.)
< 1443145018 707085 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't say it was out of dutch hth
< 1443145101 318138 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :datch, dute, date, dutch, it's the same concept observed differently.
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< 1443145689 146495 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/208516/can-tin-foil-hats-block-anything
< 1443145744 124300 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe a tin foil hat might block trying to see your hair
< 1443145829 450221 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can pretend you're not bald
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< 1443145890 197742 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome
< 1443145891 365222 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: . (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.)
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< 1443145921 639143 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` sed -i 's/irc.dal.net/EFnet of DALnet/' wisdom/welkom; mv wisdom/wel{kom,come.nl}
< 1443145925 768510 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1443146119 983780 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :EFnet is now of DALnet?
< 1443146845 289654 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? welcome.nl
< 1443146846 328265 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welkom bij het internationaal centrum voor het ontwerpen en implementeren van esoterische programmeertalen! Voor meer informatie, bezoek de wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (Voor de andere soort esoterie is er #esoteric op EFnet of DALnet.)
< 1443146855 441396 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: only if you're dutch
< 1443147606 963192 :Tod-Autojoined!Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net NICK :TodPunk
< 1443147839 366170 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :copper mesh/net hats are much more effective
< 1443147914 343897 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so is slitting your wrists vertically, but hollywood likes to just portray things rather than give specific instructions ;)
< 1443148158 206486 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you are trying to block signals then yes copper mesh is probably much more effective
< 1443148679 453260 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you were reallllly paranoid you could also go for teh 5 inch thick led hat
< 1443148743 8110 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :**side effects may vary
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< 1443149369 498194 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDream
< 1443149708 688865 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay i made it past all the magic blathering
< 1443150153 290397 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`danddreclist 68
< 1443150154 116000 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :danddreclist 68: shachaf nooodl boily \ http://zzo38computer.org/dnd/recording/level20.tex
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< 1443150899 518207 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Magic: the Blathering
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< 1443152235 559334 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does philosophy have axioms the same way mathematics does?
< 1443152242 458980 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. "I think, therefor I am"?
< 1443152313 560361 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A = B(c), therefore A/B=c"
< 1443152338 590319 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or perhaps is there a philisopical notation that looks like math?
< 1443152347 866209 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only if you are being logical, I think? But sometimes in philosophy you must go beyond logic, otherwise who can tell the logic if it is good?
< 1443152355 93870 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@2602:306:8039:e9e0:3cff:20fb:7815:f4cc JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443152431 706134 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: It can depend on what you are writing about I think; in some cases symbolic logic helps but mostly you just have to write in other ways since there is no mathematical notation to explain it when you are using the notation alone without any text to explain it.
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< 1443152753 353223 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dwarf fortress dwarves are stupid
< 1443152809 384447 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have a pond that is connected to another pond by a u-bend, they will try to fill one pond from the other
< 1443152817 127760 :Froox!~Frooxius@2602:306:8039:e9e0:8d99:79d6:afd9:caad JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1443152921 188831 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, if the u-bend is walkable, they will walk through the tunnel from one pond to the other, tryingto fill the pond with the water they are walking through. retards
< 1443152982 101584 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@2602:306:8039:e9e0:3cff:20fb:7815:f4cc QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
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< 1443153789 565919 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My documentation output is being butchered
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< 1443157383 232681 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Quit: 1 found in /dev/zero
< 1443157606 642742 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you know that voldemort can't love because he was conceived under a love potion?
< 1443157713 468682 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, is that why? Is that what a love potion is for?
< 1443157728 276349 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443157755 181505 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :no a love potion is not supposed to produce monsters
< 1443157800 690903 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant if it is used to prevent those conceived under it from loving
< 1443157809 49119 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :no no
< 1443157821 255632 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would you do that
< 1443157864 399370 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know why you such a thing would be done, unless it is a side-effect of something else
< 1443157865 449180 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :his mother died and he was raised in an orphanage and was never loved
< 1443157898 927415 :aretecode!~aretecode@50.23.131.206-static.reverse.softlayer.com QUIT :Quit: Toodaloo
< 1443157901 777677 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I thought you said he can't love because he was conceived under a love potion?
< 1443157918 575956 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So which is it?
< 1443157952 20219 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are several factors that contributed
< 1443157956 882993 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/2007/7/30/j-k-rowling-web-chat-transcript
< 1443157960 600009 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is what I thought.
< 1443160217 844521 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Brainfuck14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44386&oldid=44384 5* 03Keymaker 5* (+414) 10/* Would BF still be TC with do-while loops? */
< 1443160344 893152 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...x|y|z...
< 1443160362 94931 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathematician's worst nightmare: Hambiguous notation
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< 1443163968 444648 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The picture on this computer monitor is not visible when viewed from "REALD" 3-D glasses backwards and rotated 45 degrees.
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< 1443164430 437650 :Froox!~Frooxius@2602:306:8039:e9e0:8d99:79d6:afd9:caad QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
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< 1443165941 860994 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like ham
< 1443166379 415778 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh new xkcd whatif this week
< 1443166397 854010 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: what about green eggs
< 1443166432 873072 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: the most undefined what-if conclusion so far
< 1443167973 865224 :bender|!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1443169806 510025 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
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< 1443170324 579950 :sc00fy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443170354 944038 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Brainfuck14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44387&oldid=44386 5* 03Martin Büttner 5* (+366) 10/* Would BF still be TC with do-while loops? */
< 1443170467 993787 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION feels so efficient when closing monomorphism restriction questions as duplicates on SO
< 1443170664 21481 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Brainfuck14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44388&oldid=44387 5* 03Martin Büttner 5* (+405) 10/* Would BF still be TC with do-while loops? */
< 1443170698 983169 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Brainfuck14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44389&oldid=44388 5* 03Martin Büttner 5* (-3) 10/* Would BF still be TC with do-while loops? */
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< 1443172274 591285 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite
< 1443175351 566125 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Hosting an intern is a big responsibility. Please ensure you’re prepared to commit the time and energy --"  they're making that sound like having a pet.
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< 1443176046 104211 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Brainfuck14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44390&oldid=44389 5* 03Keymaker 5* (+367) 10/* Would BF still be TC with do-while loops? */
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< 1443178119 447843 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"photons in metric". Steve is crazy.
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< 1443178615 304135 :MDream!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDude
< 1443180234 389582 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: DSCHINGHIS CHICKEN
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< 1443182465 609258 :mroman_!~mroman@160.85.232.232 PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess that means my vserver is now gone :)
< 1443185357 450958 :mroman_!~mroman@160.85.232.232 PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo a b c q{trim(a +len(b) -len(c) q)}
< 1443185370 928236 :mroman_!~mroman@160.85.232.232 PRIVMSG #esoteric :neat :)
< 1443185409 635219 :mroman_!~mroman@160.85.232.232 PRIVMSG #esoteric :trim(a+len(b)-len(c)q) is trim(a,len(b)+(len(c)-q))
< 1443185472 188057 :mroman_!~mroman@160.85.232.232 PRIVMSG #esoteric :except it's way shorter
< 1443185760 661983 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: that's because it is
< 1443185764 883787 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"way shorter"
< 1443185816 618118 :mroman_!~mroman@160.85.232.232 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a little bit shorter
< 1443186027 113830 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1443187704 863331 :mroman_!~mroman@160.85.232.232 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codepad.org/pAThBaWf <- my current WIP
< 1443189016 546356 :mroman_!~mroman@160.85.232.232 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fucking migraine
< 1443189021 331539 :|f`-`|f!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1443189030 34608 :mroman_!~mroman@160.85.232.232 PRIVMSG #esoteric :migraine and cold together sucks even more
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< 1443189363 188835 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1443192097 326674 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode TRIANGLE
< 1443192098 824993 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+20E4 COMBINING ENCLOSING UPWARD POINTING TRIANGLE \ UTF-8: e2 83 a4  UTF-16BE: 20e4  Decimal: ⃤ \ ⃤ \ Category: Me (Mark, Enclosing) \ Bidi: NSM (Non-Spacing Mark) \  \ U+22BF RIGHT TRIANGLE \ UTF-8: e2 8a bf  UTF-16BE: 22bf  Decimal: ⊿ \ ⊿ \ Category: Sm (Symbol, Math) \ Bidi: ON (Other Neutrals) \ Character is mirrored \  \ U+23
< 1443192106 330076 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode EQUALS TRIANGLE
< 1443192107 395089 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1443192109 743091 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode EQUALS.*TRIANGLE
< 1443192110 725938 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1443192112 197099 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode EQUALS*TRIANGLE
< 1443192113 172870 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1443192121 863559 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` unicode TRIANGLE | paste
< 1443192125 361515 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/paste/paste.16546
< 1443192144 447295 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` unicode --max 100 TRIANGLE | paste
< 1443192147 950375 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/paste/paste.2465
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< 1443196698 363446 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :So where'd blsqbot go?
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< 1443197416 170679 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so currently, Magic: the Gathering Online has a bug where the non-promo version of Relic Seeker works correctly, and the promo version has a bug
< 1443197424 969207 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and people are trying to figure out htf you mess that up that badly
< 1443197447 4719 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :good question
< 1443197482 471626 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in theory, the promo info should just be a bool
< 1443197498 418511 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do they have un-cards in mtgo?
< 1443197501 25959 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: no
< 1443197522 86111 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: probably an enum, you can have multiple promo versions of a card
< 1443197535 661838 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay
< 1443197548 135822 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :still stupid
< 1443197563 369473 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there any other occasions where a different version of a card has behaved differently?
< 1443197601 363785 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the bug?
< 1443197640 749850 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: it wasn't specified on the MTGO known issues list, which is the source for this issue that I was linked to
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< 1443198284 274592 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Hexagony14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44391&oldid=44251 5* 03Martin Büttner 5* (+158) 10/* External Resources */ Add Hexagony Colorer
< 1443198310 204343 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Hexagony14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44392&oldid=44391 5* 03Martin Büttner 5* (+32) 10/* External Resources */
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< 1443199929 634438 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn, I forgot how tedious to prove the beer drinker's paradox is with natural deduction in first order logic
< 1443200067 510604 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: is that the "in any pub, there's some person for which if they drink, everyone drinks" theorem?
< 1443200114 146608 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes
< 1443200156 503128 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://incredible.nomeata.de/ has that as one of its examples; mauris was struggling with that 17 hours ago.
< 1443200307 422103 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought it was more like "in any pub there exists some person such that if they are drinking then everyone is drinking"
< 1443200344 92148 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ds01-214-177.dynamic.mtsallstream.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443200351 754256 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: that's the same
< 1443200370 570180 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right; my statement of the theorem is a little ambiguous, but traditional
< 1443200379 521543 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION may be missing the ambiguity.
< 1443200386 200304 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it makes the statement seeming more implausible
< 1443200395 303537 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: logical "if" versus causation "if"
< 1443200421 245031 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I guess I'm too much of a logician :P
< 1443200437 588331 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks
< 1443200511 104579 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@2602:306:8039:e9e0:8d99:79d6:afd9:caad JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443200594 607766 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I struggled for a while as well, but I got it in the end)
< 1443200646 193561 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what on earth is that weird madness of block diagrams
< 1443200679 181194 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :to me it just looks like a graphical esolang
< 1443200749 999400 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a representation of formal proofs; basically you plug in proved statements as premises of other rules ...
< 1443200815 165138 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :... but there are some funny rules (for proving implications or case distinctions arising out of disjunctions in premises) that introduce new premises... those make it a bit tricky.
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< 1443203198 696422 :impomatic_!~digital_w@252.62.113.87.dyn.plus.net QUIT :Quit: http://corewar.co.uk
< 1443204977 742469 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does that representations works, do you have example, and what funny rules involved?
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< 1443205209 98259 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:44  toyed with the idea of writing my own coding language before i found this room
< 1443205212 88957 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:46 <@DarwinElf> I've thought about this, but this channel is about mysticism/esoterism/occultism, etc.
< 1443205216 637766 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: efnet #esoteric hth
< 1443205269 706649 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, blurelIse is here too
< 1443205278 81411 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome blurelIse
< 1443205279 848729 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :blurelIse: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: . (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.)
< 1443205290 657846 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: huh, people go to the other #esoterics looking for us?
< 1443205292 714504 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it makes sense
< 1443205411 889886 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
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< 1443206085 208495 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stuff such as CTRL+C and so on is not working properly in DOSBox
< 1443206132 20307 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not working properly to copy, or not working properly to cancel?
< 1443206259 876030 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't cancel, it just prints a heart shape instead
< 1443206285 16959 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :This means some programs do not work properly due to this
< 1443206310 401348 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The graphic for CTRL+C in the PC character set is a heart shape.)
< 1443206588 87681 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um, well, did DOS even do ctrl+c = break?
< 1443206680 812829 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes
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< 1443206939 110087 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :DOSBox also does not support F3 and other stuff like that other than at the main command prompt, even though with some programs it is usable in a real DOS system
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< 1443207705 636102 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ə
< 1443207706 439001 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+0259 LATIN SMALL LETTER SCHWA]
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< 1443210056 146386 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: you have some experience with schwas, right?
< 1443210058 138322 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ə
< 1443210061 536100 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wow, it's on my compose key
< 1443210069 265722 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that seems like it might be potentially useful
< 1443210109 181849 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :only potentially, though
< 1443210117 355416 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps if we have a schwa-based esolang it'll make it easier to type
< 1443210158 678338 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. It's just that the character looked slightly weird in this font, so I was wondering if maybe it was some *other* schwa character.
< 1443210167 430897 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hey, do you have a good compose file for IPA?
< 1443210180 986488 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: I'm using Ubuntu's default compose file, I think
< 1443210198 280829 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does that actually let you type most characters in IPA?
< 1443210199 379618 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :some symbols I want (such as Greek letters) are either missing or I can't figure out how to type them (or both, I guess)
< 1443210205 808518 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it surprises me about what letters are there
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< 1443210368 183929 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, supposedly all I have to do is use the DEAD_GREEK key, but I don't know how I'm supposed to do that, given that my keyboard has no physical DEAD_GREEK key and I don't feel like mapping any physical key to that.
< 1443210380 227711 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suggest altgr-capslock
< 1443210386 802206 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'd hope I would be able to say that two other keys compose to DEAD_GREEK or something.
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< 1443210714 104170 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I invented a "Customizer" prestige class for Dungeons&Dragons game, there is a menu of special features but I think that menu isn't quite right
< 1443210849 395817 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have suggestion of improvement?
< 1443210953 655282 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-93.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got my λ-calculuator working!
< 1443210956 129573 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-93.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoo!
< 1443211051 77402 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the idea of a lambda calculator
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< 1443211589 111107 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Class can be selected at minimum levels 5, 9, 13, 17, 21, etc. Skill points = 3 + Int mod; Class skills = all; Proficiencies = none; Base attack = zero; Base saves = zero; Hit points = d2; at each level you can also select one bonus feat.
< 1443211745 348466 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How to make the improvement?
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< 1443212149 455704 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also had a menu of special features you can select from which include: +1 HP, +1 base attack, +1 to a single base save, +3 skills, etc but I think that isn't very good, now. Would it be improve reasonably to do like:  Skill points is now 1 + Int mod, hit points is now d1, no special feature, but do you do get 2 bonus feats both of which must be different? Or is that too much or not enough or both?
< 1443212173 717033 :nycs!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Read error: No route to host
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< 1443213527 131944 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-93.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Woohoo!
< 1443213533 706300 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-93.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got Syntax Highlighting working!
< 1443213540 672738 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-93.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :AND saving files!
< 1443213545 329492 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-93.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only two bugs are:
< 1443213551 557883 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"only"?
< 1443213559 47096 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-93.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Major, known
< 1443213565 59757 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443213569 830431 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-93.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, s/Major/substantial/
< 1443213576 595144 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-93.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Three
< 1443213576 773306 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know that "The only two bugs are" is a "famous last words" suspect sentence
< 1443213607 617505 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you say that, you're calling the software against you and you'll soon meet a very severe bug that impacts everything
< 1443213612 238978 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-93.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :A) If I try to highlight named expression names (in expressions and in assignments), it highlights in comments, too
< 1443213648 620579 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-93.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :B) Until you resize the window, the execute widget bugs out strangely (weird resizing things, overflow, etc)
< 1443213662 171675 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-93.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :C) Can't actually do λ-calculus
< 1443213686 993159 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-93.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I haven't implemented anything more than a lexer yet)
< 1443213692 558925 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-93.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Great!
< 1443213707 408280 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-93.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's actually a part of a bigger open-source project called LIME
< 1443213725 812841 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-93.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which will, if all goes according to plan, be a general math helper
< 1443213763 2200 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-93.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Proof checking, autographer, etc.)
< 1443213782 185174 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-93.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Autographer meaning it graphs algebraic and geometric things)
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< 1443213896 502433 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-93.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :How should I handle multi-part expressions?
< 1443213915 376869 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-93.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps by allowing named expressions to include subscripts and *s?
< 1443214028 169298 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@2602:306:8039:e9e0:8d99:79d6:afd9:caad JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443214052 54239 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-93.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :There
< 1443214075 568431 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-93.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Instead of JUST single-character names, you can also do N[#] and N*
< 1443214117 703738 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, so the software is not complete if cannot currently even do a lambda-calculus at all!
< 1443214275 792671 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-93.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: It isn't complete. Did I say it was?
< 1443214303 438185 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-93.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just started it a few days ago, INCLUDING the part where I learn about λ-calculus
< 1443215090 575955 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1443215118 876746 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you said you got it working?
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< 1443215549 699546 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have figured out that the visibility of different displays is affected differently by "REALD" glasses, and that it also depends on rotation, forward/backward, and/or which lens is used, depending on the display. What properties of a display can be determined using this?
< 1443215838 713333 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: REALD glasses are of what sort? color filter, polarized, or synchronized flashing/
< 1443215858 89834 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: also, what types of displays? colored TFT?
< 1443215928 487847 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in
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< 1443216635 823674 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-93.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :There
< 1443216658 126903 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I have heard that they are circular polarized, but I am not completely sure. I do not know what type of display (I cannot find the manual right now), and there are more than one as they are different types of displays perhaps. I want to know if REALD glasses would be able to be use to figure out what kind of display in this way.
< 1443216682 76382 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-93.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have all the combinator birds from To Mock a Mockingbird copied into a file for my λ-calculator.
< 1443216693 193241 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-93.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because this is the new Combinatory Logic Playground
< 1443216752 13552 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-93.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: When I said I got it working I really just meant the GUI. I currently have (partial) syntax highlighting and a half-complete menubar (File works except for exit, not Edit)
< 1443216927 568970 :sc00fy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443216932 72643 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-93.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :λ-calculus shouldn't be /too/ hard to implement. I mean, it can be described as "the smallest universal programming language" AND it is represented in 3 lines of BNF (though I will be adding some extra stuff for simplicity in usage)
< 1443217034 33942 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-93.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might add an "Advanced" λ-calculus mode that does IO and things
< 1443217035 868384 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-93.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I?
< 1443217040 833025 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-93.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly in another window xD
< 1443217050 303532 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-93.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/window/program/
< 1443218279 623345 :Bjarne_!b8dfab94@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.223.171.148 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443218283 795748 :Bjarne_!b8dfab94@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.223.171.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello
< 1443218377 219230 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello
< 1443218384 132374 :Bjarne_!b8dfab94@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.223.171.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How goes everything?
< 1443218409 692121 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was working on Underlambda, but haven't got much done recently
< 1443218416 696805 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :other than much of the spec having stabilized
< 1443218430 532998 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm really happy with the use of - for extracting list elements
< 1443218442 155677 :Bjarne_!b8dfab94@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.223.171.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice
< 1443218450 480456 :Bjarne_!b8dfab94@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.223.171.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've not been doing much lately
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< 1443218853 839633 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :mauris: http://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/beer-drinkers-paradox.svg is the simplest proof of the incredible proof machine example you worked on yesterday that I was able to come up with
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< 1443219180 187403 :Bjarne_!b8dfab94@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.223.171.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well now it's really quiet
< 1443219186 521386 :Bjarne_!b8dfab94@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.223.171.148 QUIT :Quit: Page closed
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< 1443219348 619990 :fowl!fowl@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-tsqwmngdqowjwqus PART #esoteric :"Leaving"
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< 1443219699 522844 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: that looks ridiculously complicated
< 1443219716 752034 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i expected it to be simple because it was the first one with quantifiers
< 1443219729 562637 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: could you import nonfree in lambdabot twh
< 1443219816 131850 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, you need two TNDs for that proof?
< 1443220014 16827 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's possible that I'm doing something stupid, but yeah I did.
< 1443220093 913203 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :one comes from converting from not exists P to forall not P, the other is the case distinction whether there is a non-drinker or not
< 1443220219 325631 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-93.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443220252 264160 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-93.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hellu
< 1443220350 495768 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, the first (which really is the second...) converts  not exists not P  to  forall P
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< 1443221851 997958 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Ah.
< 1443221856 928903 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do I make a protocol handler in Firefox that would require a HTTP proxy to be used to access the data (for example if you write "x-whatever://example.org:123/this" then it send "GET x-whatever://example.org:123/this HTTP/1.1" to the proxy server)?
< 1443221895 620009 :grotewold!~grotewold@c-68-50-42-113.hsd1.in.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…
< 1443221921 86441 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know about protocol handlers in Firefox, but you can configure proxies for URLs in general with a JavaScript function.
< 1443221960 753881 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know that, but I want to force it to use a HTTP proxy
< 1443222041 599906 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And ignore any other proxy handlers
< 1443222068 329022 :grotewold!~grotewold@c-68-50-42-113.hsd1.in.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443222687 577205 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443222730 977443 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So here's a type of cryptography I'd like to see someone talk about that probably is already a thing
< 1443222734 789403 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Executable Encryption
< 1443222749 720439 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Not the same as an Encrypted Executable File, but could be connected)
< 1443222766 215763 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: is that like homomorphic encryption? or weaker?
< 1443222839 513291 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Basically, here's an idea:
< 1443222842 243660 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :BrainCryp
< 1443222843 180993 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :t
< 1443222855 731571 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Not a very secure example, but still an example)
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< 1443222899 220881 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically, you have an algorithm that converts a simple message into a brainfuck program that produces that message
< 1443222935 395380 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But not by a key, instead by some convoluted algorithm that uses every hack and shortcut imaginable that can be performed automatically
< 1443222967 598124 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then, you just transmit the message, and you decrypt it using your standard BF interpreter (that complies with the encryptor's desired interpreter)
< 1443222996 428370 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
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< 1443223038 324457 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even better: Interactive/Protected Executable Encryption (IPEE xD). You do all that, BUT you also require a password to be entered that takes advantage of yet more hacks and shortcuts
< 1443223045 490922 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um, and that would be good why, besides obscuring email addresses with javascript in HTML pages?  I don't think that would be a good idea for cryptography.
< 1443223045 940517 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppello!
< 1443223091 835099 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically, you encrypt a message by writing a program that hacks another program that accepts a password
< 1443223096 83429 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443223104 50962 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jello!
< 1443223123 344620 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It isn't good for normal cryptography, BUT you WOULD also encrypt it using a /secondary/ algorithm.
< 1443223136 400358 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That way, even when they crack the message, they can't tell that they did because of the plaintext
< 1443223150 737454 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The secondary algorithm should probably always generate valid BF)
< 1443223209 435522 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And make the program generated REALLY inefficient, so they have to spend longer debraincrypting it.
< 1443223219 943280 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: What do you think of /that/?
< 1443223235 97459 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't get the point really.
< 1443223257 382753 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well it's... well... it's an example
< 1443223328 661506 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Programmatic Encryption is a secondary encryption algorithm used to obscure the plaintext of an encrypted text, thus making it nigh-impossible to recognize when you've cracked it, barring running a pretty inefficient piece of code manually
< 1443223345 722318 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*further obscure
< 1443223363 303732 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: eek, seffie?
< 1443223489 741323 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: A better example than braincrypt is to use an indefinite-dimensional (that is, have a .meta file declaring how many dimensions the program is) self-modifying (both the code itself AND the intepreter running it), highly-compact, interpreted language that is different for each message.
< 1443223500 427259 :atrapado!~atrapado@unaffiliated/atrapado QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1443223522 601959 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something that requires a computer that isn't mentally bound by the real world to even comprehend what's going on
< 1443223528 121051 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: if that's a GG reference I haven't seen it yet
< 1443223539 863685 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: that's why i tried to make it subtle
< 1443223549 893765 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which poses a problem for the programmer making it (which is why we have abstraction)
< 1443223560 61812 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: What do you think of the /better/ example?
< 1443223584 923205 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I realize it'd be pretty hard (nigh-impossible) to write a program to generate that code, but...
< 1443223637 162535 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe zeetha can give hoffman some dating tips
< 1443223852 525567 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well, who knows whose side seffie is on, really.  did we see her do anything hideously evil yet
< 1443223855 699714 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: The general idea is basically an encryption algorithm whose cyphertext is a TC language that can only be decrypted through execution
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< 1443223933 196596 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi, adu!
< 1443223952 986839 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1443223974 753256 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'mt trying to get people talking about Executable Encryption (not as in encrypting an executable file)
< 1443223993 681539 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean?
< 1443224007 25162 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The general idea is basically an encryption algorithm whose cyphertext is a TC language that can only be decrypted through execution
< 1443224029 495508 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A better example than braincrypt is to use an indefinite-dimensional (that is, have a .meta file declaring how many dimensions the program is) self-modifying (both the code itself AND the intepreter running it), highly-compact, interpreted language that is different for each message."
< 1443224030 661375 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: I hate that
< 1443224035 414113 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION realizes even the foglios cannot spell hoffman\+ consistently
< 1443224059 747912 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Braincrypt is an algorithm that generates hacky brainfuck code)
< 1443224062 529966 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :adu: Why?
< 1443224091 571204 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I especially hate it when it's a PDF or HTML documentation about some Windows component, and the only form M$ provides that documentation is as a self-extracting .exe file and I'm downloading it on a Mac, really pisses me off
< 1443224141 84386 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you try using 7-Zip?
< 1443224144 784999 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :granted, there are differences between encryption and compression
< 1443224158 953774 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. You mean you hate encryption of executables?
< 1443224174 30878 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I'm talking about something entirely unrelated (but possibly mixable)
< 1443224178 513233 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I ended up using MacPorts to install Wine, which then ran the self-extractor
< 1443224208 806925 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: now if you could somehow do it portably, then yes, I'm interested
< 1443224254 661496 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well it'd definitely be portable, because the language would be interpreted (as interpretation is actually BETTER at obfuscation in this case xD)
< 1443224258 532535 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I think)
< 1443224282 998340 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I'd write the initial interpreter and encoder in Python...
< 1443224284 262269 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So...
< 1443224294 972882 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Portability: OVAR 90- no.
< 1443224298 573869 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, VMs usually add a layer of obfuscation by nature
< 1443224327 432938 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do they?
< 1443224351 292173 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, just try using gdb on any language that compiles to C
< 1443224360 563225 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This language would basically be 16-dimensional Befunge with some Malebolgy components and a a lot of shortcuts
< 1443224386 819365 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(16-dimensional because that's pretty much impossible for a human to visualize AND it's a power of 2)
< 1443224437 312458 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Malbolge
< 1443224456 583075 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like Befunge
< 1443224462 677913 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do too
< 1443224467 24758 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's in my top 5 esolang
< 1443224467 675917 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s
< 1443224474 363944 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I once wrote a Funge-98 interpreter in Perl
< 1443224481 386135 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoa
< 1443224483 326147 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: what's your top 4?
< 1443224483 740041 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was it complete?
< 1443224489 58085 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know
< 1443224499 787489 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :All I know is that Unlambda and Befunge are in it
< 1443224502 908233 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*them
< 1443224513 407055 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: it was complete in that I implemented the 8 brainfuck related commands, plus it was arbitrary-dimentional
< 1443224526 645459 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cool
< 1443224534 635669 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I ever started on the module loading into uppercase letters
< 1443224568 264537 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh
< 1443224574 300991 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I spent a grand total of a week on it, so not "compliant"
< 1443224574 683232 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: my hunch is that the problem with making an encryption system by heaping on complexity is that it's too complicated to see that there are no shortcuts to _breaking_ it.
< 1443224583 66801 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it was complete enough for me
< 1443224592 806768 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: True, true.
< 1443224603 169878 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's more of a thought experiment than anything else
< 1443224620 539948 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :adu: Well this language would be convoluted, complex, and generally just cryworthy.
< 1443224697 114455 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think Befunge was ever cryworthy, I think it's a beautiful language
< 1443224768 265215 :[1]blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443224780 147138 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it compressed simple fundamental operations into the smallest unit that's useful in text editors: a byte
< 1443224788 122138 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't say befunge was.
< 1443224805 521501 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I imagine EBDIC was useful at the time
< 1443224844 259845 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think most programming language are a waste of time
< 1443224882 823594 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably. Some are useful thouh.
< 1443224890 443393 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rust I think is on the right track, their standards process early on decided that no keyword could be longer than 5 characters.
< 1443224893 494411 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And some esolangs even serve their purposes
< 1443224903 21273 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interesting
< 1443224904 482892 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
< 1443224904 681803 :[1]blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net NICK :blurelIse
< 1443224908 801202 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: hm why _wouldn't_ martellus assume agatha has the book, he knows they were in the same spot after all...
< 1443224931 230277 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :too many unknowns, but I don't get "seffie"
< 1443224944 435746 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :xerxsephnia's nickname
< 1443225023 953717 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's been a while, hasn't it...
< 1443225043 585413 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :they _did_ meet her when they arrived in paris
< 1443225207 318363 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: I think the only exception is "continue"
< 1443225239 981379 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20150605
< 1443225246 293687 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh.
< 1443225332 695960 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well, that was almost 4 months ago...
< 1443225359 667836 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :those pesky time flies
< 1443225366 129606 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm ready to forgive myself for having forgotten :P)
< 1443225400 419495 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway... good night, I think.
< 1443225438 978444 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :good night
< 1443225571 916067 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443226016 187224 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@free traverse
< 1443226017 385003 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Extra stuff at end of line in retrieved type "(Applicative f, Traversable t) => (a -> f b) -> t a -> f (t b)"
< 1443226042 371097 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@free (a -> f b) -> t a -> f (t b)
< 1443226042 553617 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pattern match failure in do expression at src/Lambdabot/Plugin/Haskell/Free/FreeTheorem.hs:54:21-35
< 1443226052 833487 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@free t :: (a -> f b) -> t a -> f (t b)
< 1443226053 15416 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plugin `free' failed with: src/Lambdabot/Plugin/Haskell/Free/Type.hs:(152,17)-(160,45): Non-exhaustive patterns in case
< 1443226070 636045 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid plugin
< 1443226099 416631 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@list free
< 1443226099 596439 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :free provides: free
< 1443226103 687992 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@help free
< 1443226103 866188 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :free . Generate theorems for free
< 1443226125 529880 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@free sin
< 1443226126 770643 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Extra stuff at end of line in retrieved type "Floating a => a -> a"
< 1443226141 686767 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :has @free been broken completely
< 1443226148 881631 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@free map
< 1443226150 177829 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :g . h = k . f => $map g . map h = map k . $map f
< 1443226156 475694 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t map
< 1443226157 890703 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a -> b) -> [a] -> [b]
< 1443226169 544225 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@free mapM
< 1443226170 800301 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Extra stuff at end of line in retrieved type "(Monad m, Traversable t) => (a -> m b) -> t a -> m (t b)"
< 1443226214 849162 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@free traverse :: (a -> IO b) -> [a] -> IO [b]
< 1443226215 27284 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :$map_IO g . h = k . f => $map_IO ($map g) . traverse h = traverse k . $map f
< 1443226646 682839 :MoALTz__!~no@78.11.179.104 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1443226693 868267 :MoALTz__!~no@78.11.179.104 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443226756 936923 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1443226788 897190 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443226956 393420 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1443227309 608345 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ds01-214-177.dynamic.mtsallstream.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443227504 227823 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm eating a can of tuna and on the can there's this text:  bast before 18/09/2017 09:53
< 1443227517 90913 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443227536 432256 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :*best
< 1443227557 145362 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's in italian so that part doesn't really matter)
< 1443227839 639260 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Programming needs ternary comparators
< 1443227852 394473 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(6>2 by 3)
< 1443227969 712496 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu
< 1443228285 280658 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1443228685 40162 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to force the "mUsingConnect" of "nsHttpConnectionInfo" to false; it is set in the "Init" method but I want to override it in a JavaScript code so that it forces false
< 1443228906 855535 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to force it not to use the CONNECT method
< 1443229001 323172 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds
< 1443229144 183659 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443229282 306499 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in brainfuck, does "[" always reference the same cell on each iteration, or does it dynamically reference the current pointer when "]" is encountered?
< 1443229326 703331 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does it have to be dynamic?
< 1443229348 594119 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :both choices are valid, i want to know what brainfuck defines
< 1443229368 535970 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham: It refers to the current pointer.
< 1443229425 168755 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i need a clarification on that question
< 1443229465 767526 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca QUIT :Quit: zzo38
< 1443229478 787089 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you, that solved my bug :)
< 1443229514 356372 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :I,I amUsingConnect
< 1443229521 592536 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443229595 425638 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1443229602 323745 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443229658 660560 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : 19:44  toyed with the idea of writing my own coding language before i found this room <-- i'm going to assume e joined on the wrong network by mistake
< 1443229683 460167 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ds01-214-177.dynamic.mtsallstream.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
< 1443229762 4073 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :e?
< 1443229774 827333 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :gender neutral pronoun
< 1443229794 262989 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ds01-214-177.dynamic.mtsallstream.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443229795 185462 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a new one
< 1443229809 426925 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the official GNP in Agora Nomic
< 1443229819 92122 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :aka "spivak pronoun"
< 1443229827 855101 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ds01-214-177.dynamic.mtsallstream.net QUIT :Client Quit
< 1443229836 578548 :sc00fy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
< 1443229881 529457 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :how did that become official?
< 1443229899 148054 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, traditional, anyway.  it may not be an actual rule.
< 1443229904 484060 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :spivak's are so different from everything else...  i'd much rather use zie/hir
< 1443229918 417829 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure, it's possible we inherited it from Nomic World
< 1443229958 550122 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(can i use "we" despite currently not being a Player? well, i just did.)
< 1443229965 268958 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds
< 1443229980 279652 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The tradition comes because Suber (inventor of Nomic) was fond of Spivak pronouns.
< 1443230002 471941 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you all play nomic here?
< 1443230014 364131 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443230017 370266 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh was it in the original suber set too...
< 1443230019 765512 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not *all* of us, but definitely a higher proportion than normal.
< 1443230052 893471 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is normal?
< 1443230076 327139 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't entirely know.
< 1443230088 175743 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: somewhere below 1% i guess
< 1443230100 102753 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :1% of what
< 1443230127 408163 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Homo sapiens sapiens.
< 1443230168 582026 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm doesn't look like it
< 1443230275 618571 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not in the original nomic world ruleset, but it's in this version http://www.nomic.net/deadgames/nomicworld/norrish/ruleset-1dec92
< 1443230322 235139 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather inconsistently in a single rule.
< 1443230333 300436 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(other rules use "he or she" and "they")
< 1443230460 875592 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :eek dead link to ruleset collection
< 1443230540 353605 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah the initial Agora ruleset had 5 instances https://www.fysh.org/~zefram/agora/chuck0_nr_19930630.txt
< 1443230554 315732 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ an "eir"
< 1443230698 93330 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if this nomic thing was a complicated distributed system where by the time a proposal you submit to amend the rules is seen by other people, the rules they know about have already changed
< 1443230759 161362 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds cool, but probably not workable with the number of players a game tends to get
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< 1443231092 278667 :bender|!~benderx2@2404:e800:e61a:41d:1007:8bf6:7e3e:d79 QUIT :Changing host
< 1443231092 278722 :bender|!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443231334 255940 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds
< 1443231436 245779 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443231493 421816 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this lambda calculus discussion made me wonder
< 1443231522 610967 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you write the S combinator as a lambda expression using only 2 variables
< 1443231550 125794 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(K and I are trivial)
< 1443231849 330332 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, you're not completely trivial
< 1443231868 926282 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't know that hth
< 1443231939 334153 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds
< 1443231948 210734 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: interesting question
< 1443231956 461102 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :my first guess is that the answer is no
< 1443231987 930717 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
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< 1443232072 726189 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :K and KI give you booleans
< 1443232079 110292 :Patashu!Electra@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443232081 591807 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you encode pairs...
< 1443232294 997955 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm you have church numerals
< 1443232310 263415 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure
< 1443232311 593691 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :\f x -> f (f (f x))
< 1443232532 962764 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can shadow, right?
< 1443232543 201298 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is like de bruijn indices where you only allow 0 or 1
< 1443233006 555626 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's interesting that in BCKW, CKW correspond to the three types of structure people talk about in substructural type systems
< 1443233041 915664 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :my pastebin served pages to over 1000 different ip addresses since august 23
< 1443233048 781554 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what sort of substructural type system has reordering, discarding, and duplication, but not composition?
< 1443233051 801959 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it really boring?
< 1443233475 249876 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1443235510 456562 :grotewold!~grotewold@c-68-50-42-113.hsd1.in.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds
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< 1443241554 952648 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Vihan 5*  10New user account
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< 1443243741 95235 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :HSTS can be disabled in Firefox by the use of a hexeditor. But I have read that HSTS flags cannot be deleted on iPad even if the device is wiped, and can leave an indelible mark by the use of HSTS supercookies. Actually I think it may be possible to get rid of them if you can use a proxy server to set all of the HSTS flags that make up that supercookie; it is kind of like deleting the data on a punch card by punching all of the positions.
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< 1443245147 871348 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07HALT14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=44394 5* 03Vihan 5* (+2521) 10Added specification
< 1443245298 198320 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44395&oldid=44279 5* 03Vihan 5* (+11) 10Added HALT
< 1443245464 915341 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07HALT14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44396&oldid=44394 5* 03Vihan 5* (+81) 10Added Interpreter
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< 1443246409 215889 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The X cursor font is missing a magnifier icon; it seems to have everything else.
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< 1443248700 367722 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric +o :oerjan
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< 1443248815 975279 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm wait was that the right syntax
< 1443248851 267587 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric +o :oerjan
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< 1443249353 820190 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :---$##
< 1443249441 291597 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's start from 15
< 1443249443 299861 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :15 is 3 * 5
< 1443249449 317280 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :glue 3 and 5 together and you get 35
< 1443249455 298000 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :35 -> 5 * 7
< 1443249467 130658 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :57 -> 319 -> 1129
< 1443249471 184930 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :1129 is prime and we stop
< 1443249504 553386 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :does this sequence always stop for every integer > 1 ?
< 1443249551 211960 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know.
< 1443249603 529870 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait why does 57 become 319 and not 139?
< 1443249606 670574 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I not only don't know the answer for base ten but I don't know the answer for base two either.
< 1443249626 726208 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1443249629 260882 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1443249629 492538 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: 57 is 3 * 19
< 1443249667 219119 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the prime factors are arranged in order from small to large
< 1443249667 474450 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wrote a small script to test this and all numbers below 1000 terminate, except 49 which is still going
< 1443249670 734812 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :my computer is slow
< 1443249677 519968 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1443249696 774519 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :49 -> 77 -> 711 -> 
< 1443249710 805116 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`factor 711
< 1443249711 669025 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :711: 3 3 79
< 1443249717 142575 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`factor 3379
< 1443249717 933451 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :3379: 31 109
< 1443249721 757553 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`factor 31109
< 1443249722 861578 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :31109: 13 2393
< 1443249729 861512 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`factor 132393
< 1443249730 570263 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :132393: 3 44131
< 1443249739 795518 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`factor 344131
< 1443249740 609016 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :344131: 17 31 653
< 1443249751 828750 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`factor 1731653
< 1443249752 594790 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1731653: 7 11 43 523
< 1443249763 979933 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`factor 71143523
< 1443249764 883648 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :71143523: 11 11 577 1019
< 1443249777 689307 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`factor 11115771019
< 1443249778 526065 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :11115771019: 311 35742029
< 1443249785 188882 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` n=49; while true; do echo $n; n=$(factor $n | tr -cd '[0-9]'); done
< 1443249790 584931 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`factor 31135742029
< 1443249791 439908 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :31135742029: 7 17 261644891
< 1443249809 359089 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: do you know after what number of iterations the others stop?
< 1443249815 887563 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :49 \ 4977 \ 497733779 \ 497733779497733779 \ 497733779497733779711131952579497733779 \ factor: `497733779497733779711131952579497733779' is too large
< 1443249842 561441 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` n=49; for i in `seq 100`; do echo $n; n=$(factor $n | cut -d\  -f2- | tr -cd '[0-9]'); done
< 1443249845 941493 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: i wrote a script that does it for me
< 1443249862 730903 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: what is the maximum iteration besides 49?
< 1443249873 256051 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :49 \ 77 \ 711 \ 3379 \ 31109 \ 132393 \ 344131 \ 1731653 \ 71143523 \ 11115771019 \ 31135742029 \ 717261644891 \ 11193431873899 \ 116134799345907 \ 3204751189066719 \ 31068250396355573 \ 62161149980213343 \ 336906794442245927 \ 734615161567701999 \ 31318836286194043641 \ factor: `31318836286194043641' is too large
< 1443249896 114646 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :@oeis 49,77,711,3379,31109
< 1443249896 917039 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Concatenate all the prime divisors in previous term (with repetition), start...
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< 1443249905 95283 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :woot
< 1443249914 186931 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a thing
< 1443249918 32041 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1443249923 356756 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@list oeis
< 1443249923 537672 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :oeis provides: oeis sequence
< 1443249924 51102 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why doesn't it print put a link
< 1443249937 939812 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: i'm with myname 
< 1443249945 483458 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you tell it to display the OEIS ID number
< 1443249948 271233 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least have a command for it
< 1443249957 81835 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like i missed something and 77 takes a while... ^^'
< 1443249965 151477 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@sequence 49,77,711,3379,31109
< 1443249965 634095 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Concatenate all the prime divisors in previous term (with repetition), start...
< 1443249977 228570 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah
< 1443249981 994477 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rather than only the description
< 1443250008 805993 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: weöö, obviously
< 1443250010 333384 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://arin.ga/t6ZGY8/raw   output for 49 so far
< 1443250015 465444 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://oeis.org/A056938/internal
< 1443250019 620232 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: 77 needs one step less than 49
< 1443250077 101006 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: page claims up to 117 steps without stopping
< 1443250098 686050 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://arin.ga/t6ZGY8/raw
< 1443250105 771715 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrong paste
< 1443250123 112788 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :well my laptop isn't really suited for number crunching
< 1443250143 423585 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially if it's pointless number crunching like this <.<
< 1443250158 532301 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it's slow because it requires factoring
< 1443250165 171715 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at some point I should figure out how to network all my linux boxen into a cluster
< 1443250185 192054 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or not
< 1443250221 560452 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there cluster architectures that allow use of 286's?
< 1443250242 91274 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and x86-64's in the same cluster
< 1443250262 694916 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think you want to write any software for a cluster that has a 286.
< 1443250313 287127 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet:  but I have a 286 PC just sitting there
< 1443250357 197885 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a ibm
< 1443250376 970050 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :how old is it?
< 1443250414 667624 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got it from my high school, sitting on the curb so i have no idea
< 1443250445 516763 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has several external parallel ports
< 1443250513 583427 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was using it for a while to play DOOM
< 1443250547 467330 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.worldofnumbers.com/topic1.htm
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< 1443250730 757631 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION googles parallel port and realizes it has only one parallel port. the multiple ones are serial prts, which make no sense, since they have nine pins in parallel?
< 1443250776 418375 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well regardless it has three serial ports and one parallel
< 1443250792 467631 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Probabilistic arguments give exactly zero for the chance that the sequence of integers starting at a given number n contains no prime, so a home prime should exist for every positive integer. "
< 1443250800 1937 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://mathworld.wolfram.com/HomePrime.html
< 1443250813 717872 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that's not a proof, of course, just a good hint)
< 1443250939 12045 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :proving that is probably a hard problem.
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< 1443253010 39897 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastebin.com/QTf1EWuc
< 1443253044 548665 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443253538 106353 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :3331113965338635107
< 1443254153 674348 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone wanna put my bf impl on the wiki?
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< 1443254702 375415 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham: Can you put it by yourself?
< 1443254800 115213 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember my grandfather once threatened to call the President and tell him to remove the word "I don't want" from the dictionary (this happened many years ago). This is despite that we live in Canada.
< 1443254826 273215 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What did the President of Canada say?
< 1443254891 788068 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :He did not actually do that; he only threatened to do so.
< 1443255004 49157 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The word "I don't want"? That would've failed even had there been a President of Canada...
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< 1443255024 771167 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...even if they were willing to remove words from dictionaries.
< 1443255076 214950 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I know, there are so many things wrong with that.
< 1443255097 491143 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@2a02:a448:4a62:0:548d:2bb6:e105:b48e JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443255101 766217 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> length "I don't want"
< 1443255103 283397 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 12
< 1443255115 543102 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps your grandfather uses 96-bit words.
< 1443255140 425214 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds like a good word for if you're playing Countdown, or Scrabble.
< 1443255242 867614 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :PSA: Ending the world is usually not a good idea.
< 1443255255 225757 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And of course removing words from dictionaries won't generally stop people from using them anyways.
< 1443255282 450471 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: too much olist
< 1443255304 644424 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION was referring to events IRL during the Cold War actually
< 1443255326 81792 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I guess saying the literal world is a bit poetic, just civilization
< 1443255399 805232 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially Scrabble, because although I'm not sure what you'd represent the spaces and apostrophe as, it's made of 3 component words, so if you managed to manuver the letter-tree so that you could insert "I", "don't" and "want" in the right positions, then add whatever you'd be using as spaces in-between for lots of points on the massive mega-word...
< 1443255421 621412 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Relatedly, happy Stanislav Petrov day!
< 1443255462 246453 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ending the world is the kind of thing that I think someone had to say "What could possibly go wrong?" in order to get even close to performing.
< 1443255629 422490 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What could possibly go wrong with orders to retaliate if a new satellite system registers an attack?
< 1443255665 216352 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A likely not-completely-tested one at that, I presume?
< 1443255709 390019 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does anyone completely test anything?
< 1443255723 128051 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Via actual experience, I suppose?
< 1443255814 20992 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There can always be edge cases, like sunlight reflecting off of clouds in a certain way
< 1443255831 395092 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the end, relying on anything except a mass dropout of everything in a certain area (and even then, if they have a power failure...) for information on if you've been hit or are going to be hit is a quick way to make a complete mess.
< 1443256536 178705 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@where oeis
< 1443256536 397156 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know nothing about oeis.
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< 1443266559 185986 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Nyarlathotep14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=44398 5* 03CosmoConsole 5* (+5187) 10Created page with "'''Nyarlathotep''' (named after a deity in the Cthulhu Mythos) is a esoteric language created by [[User:CosmoConsole]] in 2015, and has received a large amount of inspiration ..."
< 1443266592 354599 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44399&oldid=44395 5* 03CosmoConsole 5* (+19) 10/* N */ [[Nyarlathotep]]
< 1443266621 507404 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Nyarlathotep14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44400&oldid=44398 5* 03CosmoConsole 5* (+9) 10/* External resources */ fixed link
< 1443267036 71418 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Nyarlathotep14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44401&oldid=44400 5* 03CosmoConsole 5* (+4) 10/* External resources */ clarify python version
< 1443267198 815599 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:CosmoConsole14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44402&oldid=40731 5* 03CosmoConsole 5* (+69) 10
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< 1443267994 455511 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://imgur.com/gallery/meIKvBa  what's happening here?
< 1443269202 803192 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Nyarlathotep14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44403&oldid=44401 5* 03CosmoConsole 5* (+0) 10fixed a small mistake
< 1443269286 291329 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Nyarlathotep14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44404&oldid=44403 5* 03CosmoConsole 5* (+12) 10/* Operation */ clarified the operation of C when reaching end of memory
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< 1443279030 94113 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i dont have wiki skills..  is there an esolang for posting to wiki?
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< 1443287153 458890 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I'm having fun running a fuzzer on cfunge, lets see what it comes up with
< 1443287219 386681 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, btw, didn't you find some bug in cfunge a few months ago that I never got around to looking at properly?
< 1443287223 290559 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't find the IRC log any more
< 1443287372 372467 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That rings a bell, but only faintly.
< 1443287460 145981 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, oh well
< 1443287463 607561 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Grepping, the one recent thing I can find is that I was trying to use  cfunge <(echo ...)  to test a oneliner, and it went to a busyloop somewhere.
< 1443287477 262363 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, Debian stable just had an update for linux-libc-dev but not the matching linux-libc package
< 1443287481 632344 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(echo ... > tmp.bef; cfunge tmp.bef) worked fine.
< 1443287483 129901 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what /that's/ about
< 1443287487 932588 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, the fuzzer is obviously mostly finding "hangs" due to programs running into infinite loops
< 1443287495 368722 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, considering how to deal with this hm
< 1443287502 621468 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443287519 89958 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I see, it's the #defines that the kernel exposes to userspace
< 1443287524 852665 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there is no matching non-dev package
< 1443287529 247506 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : Grepping, the one recent thing I can find is that I was trying to use  cfunge <(echo ...)  to test a oneliner, and it went to a busyloop somewhere.<-- well that doesn't surprise me
< 1443287533 605995 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, cfunge mmaps
< 1443287546 266176 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I find it hard to see how a security bug in those wouldn't require a rebuild of every other package that referenced the buggy setting
< 1443287547 928246 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because \r\n are annoying to deal with across fread() boundaries
< 1443287566 99481 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps a setting requesting extra security was accidentally defined to 0 rather than what it should have been, but no Debian packages used it
< 1443287574 803594 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Well, failing instead of getting stuck would still be better.
< 1443287575 629841 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, heh
< 1443287600 692763 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I would have assumed it would do that yes
< 1443287607 105965 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I wonder why it gets stuck
< 1443287616 622102 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kind of hard to debug that one via gdb...
< 1443287627 746375 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess
< 1443287629 307031 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume it would do the same for, say, a named pipe.
< 1443287644 534949 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly
< 1443287671 743012 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I find it unlikely that mmap() would get stuck though instead of returning an error
< 1443287693 409236 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :	addr = mmap(NULL, len, PROT_READ, MAP_PRIVATE, fd, 0);
< 1443287693 609476 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :	if (FUNGE_UNLIKELY(addr == MAP_FAILED)) {
< 1443287693 609535 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :		diag_error_format("mmap() on file \"%s\" failed: %s", filename, strerror(errno));
< 1443287693 609561 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :		goto error;
< 1443287693 995526 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :	}
< 1443287698 920658 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm
< 1443287717 381535 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :evil tabs
< 1443287731 140839 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, ?
< 1443287752 53628 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, tabs for indenting is great, that way you can set the tab stop to whatever you prefer and it still looks good
< 1443287761 151824 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/tabs.png
< 1443287776 220315 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, I'm just filling form 306, titled "Application for pre-examination and permission to publish the dissertation".
< 1443287796 803113 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, well that is your client, not my fault. I use hexchat and it renders it as a space
< 1443287805 887968 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it looks under-indented but still readable
< 1443287835 402871 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And no I don't use tabs to adjust continued lines to the preceding line, *that* would break if you change tab width)
< 1443287852 890065 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, oh?
< 1443287902 418357 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :  current policy: frequency should be within 1.60 GHz and 3.70 GHz.
< 1443287902 604363 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :                  The governor "performance" may decide which speed to use
< 1443287902 604437 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :                  within this range.
< 1443287902 604459 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :  current CPU frequency is 3.58 GHz.
< 1443287903 502315 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :What
< 1443287921 277875 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shouldn't performance ensure it is 3.7 all the time?
< 1443287932 229578 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the 3.7 GHz number counts the "turbo boost" stuff.
< 1443287941 608522 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, of course
< 1443287944 138876 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, absolute maximum for a single core, not the "normal 100%" thing.
< 1443287950 474029 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :model name	: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-2500 CPU @ 3.30GHz
< 1443287951 301809 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1443287953 338108 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes sense
< 1443288033 275664 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"cpufreq stats: 3.40 GHz:4.86%, 3.40 GHz:0.00%, 3.20 GHz:0.44%, ..."  hrm
< 1443288045 6547 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wonder what that second, never-used 3.40 GHz speed is.
< 1443288054 633515 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1443288067 343194 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, where did you find that line?
< 1443288080 297324 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "cpufreq-info" tool printed it out.
< 1443288081 993460 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I find this bug report strangely amusing: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=522773
< 1443288084 925959 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hm not for me
< 1443288086 607483 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(b_jonas in particular might like it)
< 1443288094 111138 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Brainfuck implementations14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44405&oldid=44141 5* 0372.235.201.146 5* (+125) 10/* Normal implementations */ add msp430 interpreter
< 1443288111 309 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pity it's unresolved, though
< 1443288111 178397 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I find the debian bug tracker obtuse. Hard to see the status of a bug.
< 1443288117 36511 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: open, in this case
< 1443288121 675580 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, where does it say that
< 1443288122 714640 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's more the bug itself, rather than its resolution
< 1443288126 855084 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could be the statistics collection is a new thing and/or needs to be enabled somehow. Although I don't recall doing anything for it.
< 1443288133 722678 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it doesn't mention it being closed anywhere
< 1443288139 347934 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that I noticed, at least
< 1443288167 599727 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, right, but even bugzilla is more readable than debian's system :P
< 1443288171 981475 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :And bugzilla is terrible
< 1443288197 783615 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice graphviz plot in the upper-right corner, though.
< 1443288206 997984 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lots of nodes titled "some versions".
< 1443288289 423366 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, you can read the graph? it is tiny for me
< 1443288303 173108 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh clickable
< 1443288569 11570 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure what it's trying to illustrate, but I like graphs no matter what.
< 1443288745 649732 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1443288748 399005 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbiab
< 1443288774 187375 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I think it shows the affected package versions, color-coded; red = affected, green = fixed.
< 1443288832 307402 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the edges? 
< 1443288851 184548 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hard to find good examples though... https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=522759 has no forks :/
< 1443288895 682471 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is no linear versioning; there are forks because there are three (I think?) debian distibutions at any point in time.
< 1443288925 978613 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :note, I don't know, I'm making an informed (hopefully) guess here.
< 1443288934 589418 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In all (two) graphs I've seen so far, "some versions" could have been an implied by an edge.
< 1443288980 551335 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, there's the "don't collapse" mode.
< 1443288981 498710 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, somebody has to tag version+bug pairs, I suppose...
< 1443289004 806395 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, perhaps a good point to stop guessing :)
< 1443289062 157788 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried to turn off "ignore boring" and "collapse" for the first graph, and got a broken image.
< 1443289080 930899 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/version.cgi?found=linux-2.6%2F2.6.29-2;found=linux-2.6%2F3.2~rc7-1~experimental.1;ignore_boring=0;package=linux-libc-dev;absolute=0;info=1;format=png;height=;width=;collapse=1   nice and wide
< 1443289124 148909 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, grey.
< 1443289132 417608 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the "boring", I think.
< 1443289164 755481 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means "unknown"?
< 1443289323 804518 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, so far the tool has found no crashes, that is pretty nice
< 1443289360 590452 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://wiki.debian.org/HowtoUseBTS explains some of it
< 1443289715 904968 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know how to make proxy working with Apache? I always get error message, the stuff they mention on their IRC doesn't work either
< 1443289820 628143 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The configuration is set up like  http://sprunge.us/EEYY  (the "example.org" and "stuff.example.org" and "localhost:9999" are all just for testing and will be changed later, but "127.0.0.50" is going to remain the same; also I add the ProxyPassReverse which is not listed in that old version of the file)
< 1443289842 209016 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to have one Apache "reverse-proxy" configuration, but I don't think I have that configuration saved anywhere.
< 1443289924 852054 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know how to get it to work though?
< 1443289952 285357 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not really. I think I got it working by following the instructions, but this was some years ago.
< 1443289961 682292 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :why apache btw?
< 1443290012 202163 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apache is the server I already have set up for the main HTTP server, so I try to use the same one as the proxy
< 1443290168 259992 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In my configuration, I just had the reverse-proxy ProxyPass part, because I wasn't trying to connect to the target via another proxy.
< 1443290195 662689 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did get this error message in the log file:   [error] proxy: ap_get_scoreboard_lb(1) failed in child 10872 for worker proxy:reverse
< 1443290266 740598 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haven't seen that.
< 1443290370 630886 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :google finds https://serverfault.com/questions/454421/apache-httpd-error-proxy-ap-get-scoreboard-lb-with-proxypass which suggests to stop and start apache (rather than reloading or restarting)...
< 1443290389 458187 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK I will try that
< 1443290418 641263 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I have not looked at the configuration, but it sounds like a harmless and at the same time obscure thing to try)
< 1443290430 788962 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION googled the error message
< 1443290494 646550 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That error message is gone, but I still get a 500 error and the same other logged errors as before, just not the scoreboard error
< 1443290511 905143 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The error is:   [warn] proxy: No protocol handler was valid for the URL /what. If you are using a DSO version of mod_proxy, make sure the proxy submodules are included in the configuration using LoadModule.
< 1443290534 806021 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did load both mod_proxy and mod_proxy_http and checked it with apachectl -M
< 1443290662 944527 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://stackoverflow.com/questions/23931987/apache-proxy-no-protocol-handler-was-valid ... LoadModule ssl_module modules/mod_ssl.so
< 1443290689 390293 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I guess that otherwise it fails to speak https)
< 1443290719 672385 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not need it to speak https
< 1443290723 194623 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1443290723 416411 :doesthiswork1!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443290771 717637 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want it to just send a request like "GET https://example.org/what HTTP/1.1" to localhost:9999
< 1443290783 109748 :doesthiswork1!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1443290785 396635 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443290804 393055 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Implementing SSL on the next proxy in line instead)
< 1443290818 537772 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmm
< 1443290907 405388 :doesthiswork1!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443290907 673107 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1443291423 439520 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bah, the libreoffice 5.something I have here at home does a much worse job of editing-and-saving this .doc file than the libreoffice 4.something I had at work.
< 1443291634 542766 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then install the other version as well (if it is possible to install both)
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< 1443292986 340628 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ouch
< 1443293058 71788 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hizzie
< 1443293061 464713 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Horpal
< 1443293422 104316 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gVd aftRnUn evrEbudE!
< 1443293468 691680 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :This sending of pieces of paper around is totally silly.
< 1443293491 997349 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They want two printed copies of the thesis manuscript along with the application form.
< 1443293504 370208 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: "they" = ?
< 1443293504 647049 :puckipedia!puck@irc.puckipedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :best idea ever: an OS that boots two kernels, and every time you start a process, it randomly chooses one of the kernels to run it on
< 1443293506 183634 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: Id spel it "evribudi"
< 1443293522 246309 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :university policies are made by the oldest, most tenuruous professors
< 1443293530 814197 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also does it have to be properly bound? or is a temporary binding enough?
< 1443293531 295662 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Part of the same conspiracy which is holding back the publication of your thesis, presumably.
< 1443293566 182922 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: at least my university now has a (very sensible) rule that if the thesis examiner and student agree, you can send the corrected version of a thesis by email rather than needing to send a printed copy
< 1443293570 765910 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then not get it printed until it's been approved
< 1443293576 602691 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: then how would you spell 'it'?
< 1443293580 890729 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Well, the university. And it's supposed to be perforated and in a plastic folder, but you're expressly forbidden to go through the actual get-a-printed-copy process at this stage.
< 1443293584 860207 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: "it"
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< 1443293587 548908 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But your thesis has been approved, right?
< 1443293591 599166 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yes
< 1443293593 263564 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ages ago
< 1443293594 207111 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But we still can't read a copy.
< 1443293596 636832 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1443293602 784021 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can link you to the page that says you can't read a copy, if you like
< 1443293606 958741 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure.
< 1443293626 533903 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: that is bad. the vowel in 'it' and the vowels at the end of 'every' are very sifferent
< 1443293628 909281 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Come to think of it, I assume you could get it properly printed, if you want to do it at your own expense.
< 1443293635 63748 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: here: http://etheses.bham.ac.uk/6120/
< 1443293660 480943 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: I hear them as the same, while the one in "see" and end of "every" as very different :/
< 1443293671 95094 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443293682 1708 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I could; I've already done that for the "official" versions, and both the University and bookbinder were quite clear that I was allowed to print as many copies as I like so long as I paid for them
< 1443293692 223517 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had to pay for the two official copies too
< 1443293696 901662 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: well the good thing sabout my system is you can spell wrods according to your own accent
< 1443293714 308189 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed
< 1443293733 948237 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what I was meaning
< 1443293759 729740 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Ah. At our university, the university pays for up to 500 EUR of printing costs, as long as the dissertation is published in the university's series.
< 1443293798 371975 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the minimum number of copies is 30.
< 1443293804 171889 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: at UofT I got 1000 free printing pages every year as part of my tuition
< 1443293826 749548 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i guess not 'free'
< 1443293833 914770 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, 1000 pages isn't so much
< 1443293861 257191 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there were no rule as to "no printing pages entirely black"
< 1443293862 169590 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :30 copies of my thesis would currently require 6420 pages.
< 1443293867 685208 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: I personally think you should have a way to mark scwas, like in the beginning of "about". in a spelling system me and heddwch developed, we used 'y' for iy
< 1443293870 656594 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :*it
< 1443293884 37289 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not use ə?
< 1443293898 960111 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've seen phonetic spellings that used English letters entirely except they used ə for schwa
< 1443293899 858269 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: Is this, like, properly-bound-in-a-book pages, or just, you know, printer printing? 
< 1443293916 638314 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: I just use whatever the vowle would be if it weren't reduced
< 1443293928 266250 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or 'u'
< 1443293933 233868 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: that's hard to tell phonetically, though
< 1443293952 217946 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: but don't you have special forms for [ər], 'R'?
< 1443293956 645213 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to me the first vowel in 'about' is u as in 'but'
< 1443293960 577445 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: yes
< 1443293965 844485 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : ais523: Well, the university. And it's supposed to be perforated and in a plastic folder, but you're expressly forbidden to go through the actual get-a-printed-copy process at this stage.
< 1443293973 319640 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, this sounds stupidly complicated?
< 1443293982 478630 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because those are reduced in my accent to sylabic R
< 1443293996 104799 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, when I did my bachelor thesis it was all digital.
< 1443294001 499945 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in 'butter' -> butR
< 1443294005 629583 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, no paper copy anywhere along the line
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< 1443294043 459001 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie:  it was printing on up to a page size of twice a letter-page
< 1443294049 434805 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it is different for master theses?
< 1443294063 723268 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: From what I've heard informally, at least some of the Doctoral Programme Committees no longer even look at the paper copies. I think the two print copies are those that will be sent to the pre-examiners, though. Not that I'm so sure they want the paper copies either.
< 1443294082 178152 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: the originally marked (i.e. before editing) copies of my PhD thesis had to be paper, and they were bound in a special "temporary binding" way designed for the process which is pretty cheap
< 1443294089 918484 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, heh
< 1443294107 794664 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I think that's approximately equivalent to our "put it in a plastic folder" rule.
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< 1443294130 31712 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: well temporary bindings are quite strong, you could probably rip the pages out if you tried hard but they're unlikely to fall out by accident
< 1443294131 710661 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: If I email them to ask for an early copy do you think they would oblige?
< 1443294132 771449 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unlike plastic folders
< 1443294148 248903 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I'm guessing no, but I doubt it would hurt
< 1443294167 671226 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, also I thought you were already working at google in UK?
< 1443294173 488773 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :On android stuff iirc
< 1443294177 715104 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ais523> why not use ə? <- because ə isn't on a normal keyboard
< 1443294186 76432 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's on mine! :-(
< 1443294191 74002 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, compose?
< 1443294194 810526 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you calling my keyboard abnormal?
< 1443294196 385810 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: of course
< 1443294199 225594 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :very 
< 1443294199 404010 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :compose e e
< 1443294204 16755 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523-lang: Impossible to use
< 1443294212 103734 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(unless you're ais523)
< 1443294215 667953 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's "ais523-lang"?
< 1443294218 408390 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or stole his keyboard)
< 1443294219 731109 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I didn't do a bachelor's (I squeaked by just before they modernized our programs to involve one; before, it was straight-to-master) but I think my master's thesis involved a printout for examination. And I got 20 copies bound; there's a particular binding specifically for this kind of theses ("diplomityö").
< 1443294220 640817 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've made tons of languages
< 1443294230 819086 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I haven't made any natural languages yet, though
< 1443294233 345170 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: And yes, you thought correctly.
< 1443294234 426601 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one that uses all these crazy letter you can apparently type
< 1443294236 885074 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, what about this: esoteric conlang, that has zero words
< 1443294241 89920 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1443294246 721342 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is obviously a good idea
< 1443294249 917312 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, so why messing around with plastic folders now then?
< 1443294267 459292 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Well, I mean, as opposed to what? Leaving my PhD unfinished? 
< 1443294273 708686 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: it's a completely stock UK 101 (103?) key laptop keyboard, the only change I made was to rebind one of the keys
< 1443294278 758269 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ah
< 1443294305 955144 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :UK keyboard? Hmm...
< 1443294314 833582 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I guess you at least get to read the abstract
< 1443294326 468211 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I doubt any laptop keyboard is 101 or 103 keys, there are always strange keys not found on classic keyboards
< 1443294337 148550 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought Fn was the main one
< 1443294360 571003 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: By the way, did you see my question about substructural types the other day?
< 1443294362 227963 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, Mine has browser back/fwd for example, and fn. Also no right windows key
< 1443294368 623023 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:03  it's interesting that in BCKW, CKW correspond to the three types of structure people talk about in substructural type systems
< 1443294370 652779 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only weird key placement I can see here is that for some reason, pause/sysrq is fn-shift
< 1443294371 672762 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did get some ex-colleagues at the university to do the physical printing, at least, so I don't have to ship the printouts from UK to Finland.
< 1443294374 145508 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:04  what sort of substructural type system has reordering, discarding, and duplication, but not composition?
< 1443294375 200937 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, no, just pause
< 1443294377 84165 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:04  is it really boring?
< 1443294378 55064 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sysrq is on prtsc as usual
< 1443294382 223923 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I didn't see it first time
< 1443294398 298056 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since you're an expert in substructural types and all.
< 1443294403 430194 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: composition corresponds to the Application rule of first-order logic, right?
< 1443294412 29282 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, my desktop keyboard also lacks a right windows key. Even though it is a microsoft keyboard. heh
< 1443294412 208047 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my prtsc is between alt and ctrl
< 1443294423 874264 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there's no way to eliminate lambdas at this point, so Abstraction is pointless
< 1443294427 148337 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, it has a fn too, between altgr and right ctrl
< 1443294432 160078 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :where the right windows key should be
< 1443294437 741877 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure.
< 1443294441 321730 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there's no point in forming tuples because there's no way to destructure them
< 1443294442 378882 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although it seems that I might have to send the application form, because apparently it loses the magical powers of binding if it goes through a scan-and-print step.
< 1443294445 641072 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, and "menu" is on fn-right shift
< 1443294446 163277 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least it's not signed in blood.
< 1443294449 76047 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus everything is happening on the left of the turnstile
< 1443294450 173880 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, which is super-weird
< 1443294469 209721 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the Application rule?
< 1443294473 986717 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what you end up with is a definition of a set, I think
< 1443294484 372148 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't asked if they'd accept a faxed copy, because (AIUI) fax machines often preserve the magic.
< 1443294495 800039 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, AIUI?
< 1443294501 218458 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :As I understand it.
< 1443294501 707963 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :My keyboard does have an excellent "lock" button (trust a business laptop to have a builtin boss key)
< 1443294506 439741 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1443294516 411012 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, go ask them that ;P
< 1443294523 95834 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, then find a fax machine
< 1443294526 932076 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Application rule derives, from (G |- M : t' -> t) and (D |- N : t'), (G,D |- MN : t)
< 1443294528 693537 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has also a ""new web browser window key
< 1443294544 134293 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it normally ends up corresponding to categorical composition, if you use a category for your semantics (most people do)
< 1443294562 738364 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: We've got a fax-sending service in the intranet, but maybe that would make the spirits angry.
< 1443294570 652465 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you have to use the closed structure to make t' point in the opposite direction
< 1443294573 632270 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you represent t' as 1 -> t' or something like that?
< 1443294584 689133 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: not in first-order logic, you don't
< 1443294595 548907 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the category you use for your semantics.
< 1443294599 699280 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, you what?
< 1443294603 182194 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, heh
< 1443294604 42280 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the normal categorical method is to represent the entire judgements as G -> (t' -> t), D -> t'
< 1443294612 268608 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and (G,D) -> t
< 1443294616 126143 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah.
< 1443294631 327308 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bleh, I wish I could link to my thesis where all this is explained
< 1443294636 258123 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I can read http://etheses.bham.ac.uk/5741/1/Smith15PhD.pdf until your thesis comes out.
< 1443294638 864975 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(except with G and D in Greek)
< 1443294658 501086 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, that's a thesis by someone else called Smith, I take it?
< 1443294664 437780 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it has way too many pages
< 1443294668 911640 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I haven't looked at it, I just saw some mention somewhere that you can just "go/fax" if you have to communicate to someone stuck in the past.
< 1443294684 564554 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was also something a bit more elaborate if you need to "regularly receive faxes".
< 1443294692 508185 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah
< 1443294695 717073 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: clearly I have Feather on my mind, I thought that communicating with someone stuck in the past might change history
< 1443294774 750743 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(although in Feather, changing history can change the present, and in fact probably /should/ or else you'll get into a time loop)
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< 1443294828 713522 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@2a02:a448:4a62:0:548d:2bb6:e105:b48e QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1443294861 292568 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443294862 684493 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is Feather any closer to actually existing than it has used to be? 
< 1443294872 42881 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1443294875 327349 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well slightly
< 1443294888 335664 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've realised that The Underlambda Project might inadvertently remove one of the many obstacles to its existence
< 1443294900 913231 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tens of billions of people are stuck in the past.
< 1443294936 201786 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoever put that {{stub}} on the Esolang article about Feather is a genius, btw
< 1443294937 179394 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sir Thomas More, for example.
< 1443294957 819695 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :He is currently in the past, with no way of getting to the present.
< 1443294984 24996 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's up to a hundred billion.
< 1443294987 645143 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :We should help him.
< 1443295139 319715 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's help him! Quick, to the fax machine!
< 1443295291 272815 :Alcest!~alcest@93.186.169.30 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1443295585 596783 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I sent them an email.
< 1443295612 467791 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm curious to know what their answer (if any) will be
< 1443295625 356257 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although given that it's Saturday, we'll have to wait a few days because I seriously doubt they reply to emails on weekends
< 1443295701 837598 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :whose answer?
< 1443295702 889415 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a reason you can't publish a copy directly, by the way?
< 1443295704 916099 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what?
< 1443295728 657036 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I'm not sure
< 1443295733 861160 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, you're sending messages to the past?
< 1443295735 36427 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so far, haven't done so in case I get into trouble
< 1443295777 182913 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you send one to Ben Franklin please/
< 1443295788 884444 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the paper copies don't seem to be publicly available either (although the reason for that might be that /both/ of them are currently undergoing refurbishment)
< 1443295823 713095 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: the hard part is, that to prevent terribly bad things happening a message sent to the past has to have no visible effects until to just before you choose to send the message, at which point something happens to stop you sending the message
< 1443295842 459507 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is quite hard to achieve, and one of the currently unsolved problems blocking Feather from existing
< 1443296018 118383 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, at that point, it appears you can't use the "sending message to past" for anything useful?
< 1443296058 303826 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: well, you can, say, check to see if an object has a method, if it doesn't, you can retroactively add it
< 1443296075 272051 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it won't make any visible effects to the past because as the object didn't have the method, clearly nothing called it
< 1443296088 127911 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but your check will see that the method is already there
< 1443296113 559779 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, heh
< 1443296118 503 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, bbl
< 1443296228 40091 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION . o O ("What's expected of us" by Ted Chiang in 2005-07-07 at )
< 1443296243 927690 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ski: did i do it right twh
< 1443296615 249278 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, b_jonas what were the rules to that tiny Magic variant you were talking about the other day?
< 1443296633 939804 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: there were actually two such variants
< 1443296640 2276 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which are similar
< 1443296665 184139 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I see
< 1443296666 241348 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the one I suggested was: you have three cards in your library (Vintage banlist, no restricted list), you don't lose for drawing from an empty library, otherwise normal Magic rules
< 1443296695 644609 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonass was: you have five cards in your library, Legacy banlist, starting hand size is 0, during mulligans you can reorder your library, otherwise normal Magic rules
< 1443296698 700759 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*b_jonas's
< 1443296716 372306 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, and default maximum hand size is still 7.
< 1443296790 372570 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, this is starting hand size as in Vanguard
< 1443296808 583768 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: come to think of it, we could call your format Doomsday
< 1443296832 866040 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's almost literally the situation you're in after resolving Doomsday (five cards of your choice in any order)
< 1443296911 293415 :[1]blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443296923 579225 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's also a well-known tiny _limited_ magic variant, where in the first duels, each player starts with a single sealed booster pack that he has to shuffle to his library with ten basic lands, without looking at the cards first, then it's a single elimination tournament and the winner of the match in the first round gets to use a deck from both boosters in that match.
< 1443296934 415482 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that one is called "duel masters", but I'm not sure.
< 1443296959 978118 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I only ever played a one-game variant of that.
< 1443296970 488336 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: no, duel masters is a different game Wizards makes
< 1443296975 877485 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that may have been what gave the original idea, I don't know
< 1443296983 410122 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is a name for that format but I can't remember what it is
< 1443296986 528337 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, Pack Wars
< 1443296991 383536 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1443297014 421775 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: that predictor is a devious device
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< 1443297048 650198 :[1]blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net NICK :blurelIse
< 1443297143 783426 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also make up a variant called the "Standard Solitaire" variant; it is a solitaire variant where the only change to the standard rules is that rule 104.2a is not applicable. Try to make up a very strange deck in order to make a more interesting kind of game with this variant; add cards that damage yourself, cards that have unusual requirements, as well as cards with effects that just let you to win the game.
< 1443297152 174160 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :We would call them "pack battles" which I guess explains why there was only one game.
< 1443297170 677082 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also eventually we replaced most words in the game with the word "jam".
< 1443297174 508401 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :!104.2a
< 1443297186 230166 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`comprules 104.2a
< 1443297187 77824 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: comprules: not found
< 1443297212 290589 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"jam" originally (well, in the context of Magic: The Gathering) meant "+1/+1 counter"
< 1443297220 842293 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Later on it meant any kind of counter.
< 1443297224 481222 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A player still in the game wins the game if all of that player<92>s opponents have left the game. This happens immediately and overrides all effects that would prevent that player from winning the game."
< 1443297229 954730 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what 104.2a says
< 1443297233 642668 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It also grew to mean "card" and "booster pack"
< 1443297241 513037 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Giant Growth would jam up a card until end of turn.
< 1443297248 798029 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Playing Magic: The Gathering was referred to as "jamming"
< 1443297253 583282 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do we need a comprehensive rules bot?
< 1443297266 180890 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wouldn't hurt.
< 1443297270 88634 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: there is one on the efnet/#mtgrules channel
< 1443297281 46159 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: but we could easily teach the rules to HackEgo
< 1443297281 535555 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to be in that channel.
< 1443297289 704311 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have recently been having problems connecting to EFnet
< 1443297294 702510 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Your Rules Advisor Membership is about to expire on 2015-10-12"
< 1443297296 916249 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I renew it?
< 1443297302 461772 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: there's just one problem, some rules are too long to fit in an irc line
< 1443297310 848925 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Quit: dinner
< 1443297325 326385 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 always leaves very abruptly.
< 1443297335 851372 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but we could add a `more command to HackEgo to list continuations with a second command I think
< 1443297347 273750 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot has that
< 1443297366 89142 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But adding it to HackEgo in the obvious way would involve making hg commits for read-only commands.
< 1443297372 650545 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which would be kind of annoying.
< 1443297376 772696 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: it's easy to add to HackEgo too, with a short script to bin
< 1443297388 904297 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: doesn't it have some non-version-controlled temp directory?
< 1443297397 462982 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That survives across reboots?
< 1443297402 681211 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1443297404 344489 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno
< 1443297405 456306 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever
< 1443297409 314518 :function!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443297420 764028 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe we can use one of the bugs we know of that causes that behavior.
< 1443297421 568568 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: that's how buubot worked too by the way, it could only store versioned data
< 1443297442 545233 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still stored state in versioned data though
< 1443297449 393383 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :with macros
< 1443297467 480123 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be nice to have a non-versioned directory for things like this.
< 1443297476 850353 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though people would probably abuse it.
< 1443297511 439342 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would they?
< 1443297537 539543 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`culprits wisdom/culprit
< 1443297539 440969 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e ais523 badger badger badger badger badger badger badger badger mushroom mushroom
< 1443297541 481408 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523..................
< 1443297553 801327 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, how would they abuse it more than they already abuse the versioned one?
< 1443297571 176442 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e int-e int-e int-e int-e int-e int-e int-e oerjan oerjan
< 1443297585 733666 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, the non-versioned dir wouldn't be in the path, so you could see if something points there
< 1443297591 589370 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean in the PATH
< 1443297600 212232 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yes yes yes yes ...?!
< 1443297619 162757 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: just fitting the rhythm hth
< 1443297624 769437 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? culprit
< 1443297625 806129 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​`culprits` is a program that lists the lists the nicks responsible for a wisdom entry. Usage: `culprits wisdom/ENTRY
< 1443297643 305567 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`culprits bin/culprits
< 1443297644 906791 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet Jafet tswett tswett shachaf shachaf shachaf FireFly FireFly FireFly FireFly FireFly FireFly shachaf
< 1443297680 575030 :FireFly!firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`culprits wisdom/culprits
< 1443297682 207504 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1443297689 912374 :FireFly!firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`culprits wisdom/culprit
< 1443297691 700159 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e ais523 badger badger badger badger badger badger badger badger mushroom mushroom
< 1443297721 647900 :FireFly!firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :cute
< 1443297727 544058 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? culprit
< 1443297728 599994 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​`culprits` is a program that lists the lists the nicks responsible for a wisdom entry. Usage: `culprits wisdom/ENTRY
< 1443297744 539841 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? firefly
< 1443297745 551011 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly was a short-running but well-loved sci-fi TV series released in 2003, starring Nathan Fillion and directed and written by Joss Whedon.
< 1443297747 401709 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :lists the lists the lists the lists the lists the lists the lists the lists the wisdom wisdom
< 1443297755 564804 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :... wow, a fact
< 1443297779 371902 :FireFly!firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`culprits wisdom/firefly
< 1443297781 111842 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e ais523 oerjan elliott Bike FreeFull Tanea
< 1443297817 517132 :doesthiswork1!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ais523
< 1443297818 569585 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Agent “Iä” Smith is an alien with a strange allergy to avian body covering, which he is trying to retroactively prevent from ever evolving. On the 3rd of March, he's lawful good.
< 1443297849 767028 :doesthiswork1!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`culprits wisdom/ais523
< 1443297851 563574 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e ais523 oerjan elliott Bike FreeFull elliott Sgeo Bike oerjan Taneb ais523 ais523 elliott oerjan elliott FreeFull oerjan oerjan oerjan oerjan FreeFull shachaf shachaf nitia
< 1443297861 738246 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? I
< 1443297862 721932 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love monoids
< 1443297863 885482 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: The existing bin/paste already kind of makes commits for "read-only" commands.
< 1443297870 370036 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? prim
< 1443297871 316021 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :prim? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1443297872 796888 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? prime
< 1443297873 675934 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Yes.
< 1443297873 854869 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :prime? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1443297875 504186 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? factor
< 1443297876 211929 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :factor? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1443297877 585543 :FireFly!firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is the part about retroactively preventing it from evolving a reference to that one esolang that shouldn't be named?
< 1443297878 291048 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? binomial
< 1443297879 91349 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :binomial? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1443297885 96617 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: But at least when you use it you're expecting that to happen.
< 1443297902 741003 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: When I upload some text to a paste site, I also expect to be modifying that site.
< 1443297902 983202 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom
< 1443297904 166142 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​⌨/You are probably using one right now!
< 1443297910 842856 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly, you mean Feather? Ais talked about it himself today
< 1443297917 638966 :FireFly!firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: oh.
< 1443297920 799210 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ⌨
< 1443297921 673818 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+2328 KEYBOARD]
< 1443297930 219281 :doesthiswork1!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is why he left abruptly
< 1443297936 944345 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly
< 1443297957 702288 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't it Brainfuck that we want to retroactively cause not to be evolved?
< 1443297972 700470 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1443297977 179015 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :just its derivatives
< 1443297978 996630 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas, I don't mind brainfuck as much as all the clones
< 1443297992 618972 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most of them are just boring
< 1443297999 923980 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ook.
< 1443298007 124852 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is the classical pointless one
< 1443298028 558619 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: well sure, and I don't mind the _first_ stem of weed in my garden as much as all the rest it spawns, but that's where you have to start extermination
< 1443298039 439978 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :bitfuck looks kind of interesting at first, until you realise there is a simple recipe for translating any brainfuck program into a bitfuck one
< 1443298048 222755 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course ook's creator has redeemed himself
< 1443298053 243174 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? no! Ook! is the best BF clone, one of the very few non-pointless ones
< 1443298059 435850 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oook! Oook!
< 1443298060 646691 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, oh?
< 1443298070 636848 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ook. Ook?
< 1443298071 502958 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: DMM is also the creator of Piet
< 1443298074 876843 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, ah
< 1443298081 577609 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: and of Chef, more usefully
< 1443298100 708968 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas, really? It is just plain boring. And no, the Discworld reference doesn't make it any better
< 1443298166 642433 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, points... It does feature periods and exclamation marks.
< 1443298179 430245 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :And question marks I guess.
< 1443298838 567 :sc00fy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1443299849 975892 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443299911 126475 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443299997 326446 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1443300027 451488 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443300624 136654 :Thisbe!~Thisbe@2602:306:37f7:cac0:5c4a:e7d3:a815:8a9a JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443300626 47346 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, there?
< 1443300645 397376 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm currently trying to understand this program the fuzzer generated: &ITR"\ <80>$59kbfkkk?^@kkk^MQ( o
< 1443300659 459752 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :It sometimes crashes, sometimes hangs
< 1443300676 204594 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note that <80> and so on are non-printable
< 1443300681 183794 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :And so is ^@
< 1443300685 951532 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ^M
< 1443300692 662446 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this is how less displays it)
< 1443300743 166213 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm utterly confused how it even managed to get into the k code. It looks to me as if & and o should both just reverse... (Since o is disabled for safety reasons)
< 1443300851 980305 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh wait that is ^M, of course...
< 1443301000 909721 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well that program is pure evil...
< 1443301197 626268 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: run it through cat -v
< 1443301202 399566 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and fuzzing programs tend to be
< 1443301209 720921 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm amused that that fuzzer uses so many k's
< 1443301221 194424 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yes
< 1443301264 85256 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I'm ... not sure I will even try to fix that. The k code is way too complicated... Especially the handling of nested k
< 1443301314 573761 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I don't even understand the specifics of how it crashes, but it seems related to ? generating a specific set of < and > but never any ^ and v presumably 
< 1443301343 289878 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: what about using a determinstic RNG seed?
< 1443301347 390542 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should maybe patch ? to be deterministic yeah
< 1443301352 54616 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, that program seems to be a one-liner
< 1443301359 158694 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so ^ and v would just loop back round to the ?
< 1443301362 754809 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, no it isn't because of the embedded ^M
< 1443301367 524331 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right
< 1443301368 887929 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, which is a CR iirc
< 1443301372 905607 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's still nothing in the column containing the ?
< 1443301386 710065 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, also k on a movement doesn't apply that on itself possibly
< 1443301399 584078 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :due to f*** k
< 1443301437 583564 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
< 1443301520 17878 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I think it possibly applies at some nesting of k or other, but not at the top k nor ? itself
< 1443301542 709343 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, still I apparently got an stack overflow of nested k calls
< 1443301551 890492 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somehow
< 1443301813 381688 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: what happens with a program that's just a single k?
< 1443301828 418981 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, 
< 1443301836 269791 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AFAICT the /intended/ behaviour there is a stack overflow
< 1443301868 784533 :Thisbe!~Thisbe@2602:306:37f7:cac0:5c4a:e7d3:a815:8a9a QUIT :Quit: Thisbe
< 1443301873 700842 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, nothing
< 1443301884 706566 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, since that pops 0 iterations from the stack and runs k zero times
< 1443301913 150796 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: oh, I see
< 1443301926 232104 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd somehow need an infinite number of non-zeroes on the stack
< 1443301929 522723 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :first
< 1443301933 356975 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1443301943 534032 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :with nested k it is a bit easier
< 1443301946 526669 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about ykk?
< 1443301959 917665 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well y will put *something* on the stack certainly
< 1443301971 383903 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I think it will just end up running y a lot
< 1443301973 907052 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in
< 1443301990 2162 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to work out if you get a self-sustaining loop of nested k
< 1443302001 448752 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! funge98 ykk
< 1443302002 434823 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/bin/!: 4: exec: ibin/funge98: not found
< 1443302014 463594 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! befunge ykk
< 1443302015 418177 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unsupported instruction 'y' (0x79) (maybe not Befunge-93?) \ Unsupported instruction 'k' (0x6b) (maybe not Befunge-93?) \ Unsupported instruction 'k' (0x6b) (maybe not Befunge-93?) \ Unsupported instruction '' (0xffffffff) (maybe not Befunge-93?) \ Unsupported instruction 'y' (0x79) (maybe not Befunge-93?) \ Unsupported instruction 'k' (0x6b) (may
< 1443302025 503186 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, it put an EOF on the playfield
< 1443302025 929803 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I think it involves ? to move the IP around between runs alas
< 1443302048 337453 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: the ? is redirecting the k into itself, I bet
< 1443302057 736430 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1443302060 689544 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :think about a program along the lines of k^ (in a oneliner)
< 1443302075 381293 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't bet very much because randomly generated Befunge is hard to mentally parse)
< 1443302107 972326 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, you need to get ? to move it to a k for the next loop one level up
< 1443302111 274256 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think
< 1443302128 503142 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you need at least 3 k to start with
< 1443302134 723782 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I *think*
< 1443302140 238452 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :this code is super gnarly
< 1443302157 837396 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm that is an English word isn't it? The spell check disagrees
< 1443302168 708675 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :"gnarly" that is
< 1443302192 889098 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it's pretty colloquial
< 1443302216 706999 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it wouldn't surprise me if it didn't turn up in the spellchecker's data sources
< 1443302222 788989 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which are maybe more formal
< 1443302228 511605 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1443302287 504506 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, anyway I think only cfunge implements nested k at all. Deewiant basically said "**** this" and ignored it, since the standard says nothing about it, and there is no obvious "good" way to handle it
< 1443302288 784283 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc
< 1443302315 813190 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes, it's clearly ridiculous :-)
< 1443302330 49175 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Underload has something similar, but it's uncontroversial that if you chain it indefinitely you get a stack overflow
< 1443302340 395633 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds
< 1443302346 34880 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (:*:^):^
< 1443302346 213380 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : ...too much stack!
< 1443302352 290769 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, that was /quick/
< 1443302392 364728 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! ul (:*:^):^
< 1443302393 318581 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/bin/!: 4: exec: ibin/ul: not found
< 1443302396 622505 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! underload (:*:^):^
< 1443302405 614153 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was less quick
< 1443302409 774758 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe derlo has higher limits
< 1443302421 625891 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe it just doesn't print error messages, that seems more likely
< 1443302457 867389 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1443302461 172750 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh, this file has troll indentation
< 1443302535 516016 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo (:*:^):^ | ibin/underload -a -d3 
< 1443302536 334472 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: -c: line 0: syntax error near unexpected token `:*:^' \ bash: -c: line 0: `echo (:*:^):^ | ibin/underload -a -d3 '
< 1443302543 390771 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo '(:*:^):^' | ibin/underload -a -d3 
< 1443302544 338624 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Attempt to execute unknown command 45
< 1443302548 805078 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1443302557 445844 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo '(:*:^):^' | ibin/underload -a -d3 /dev/stdin
< 1443302558 389055 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Attempt to execute unknown command 45
< 1443302562 846320 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right
< 1443302565 764870 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo '(:*:^):^' | ibin/underload -o -d3 /dev/stdin
< 1443302566 690860 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Attempt to execute unknown command 45
< 1443302570 877265 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm again
< 1443302588 444373 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo '(Hello, world!)S' | ibin/underload -o -d3 /dev/stdin
< 1443302589 414723 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Attempt to execute unknown command 45
< 1443302593 857602 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode 45
< 1443302594 936058 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :E
< 1443302605 95580 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there isn't a capital E in the program
< 1443302742 324918 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hm even with a fixed srandom() it appears there is still some variability in the program
< 1443302754 526491 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since the fuzzer reports it
< 1443302761 617755 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it is an fuzzer that instruments the program)
< 1443302769 325427 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for more educated guesses)
< 1443302784 405460 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :american fuzzy lop, presumably?
< 1443302787 87319 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes
< 1443302787 387222 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wonder there are so many k
< 1443302791 270142 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hah :P
< 1443302800 75153 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, you used it?
< 1443302813 923883 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, but I've read about it
< 1443302820 588225 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :including the mathematical basis behind how it works
< 1443302827 467232 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, it actually hasn't found any crashes yet, I only got that crash when investigating a hang and it crashed one of the times I ran it
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< 1443302921 640115 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh I think I see
< 1443302934 96955 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Confusing #ifdef for arc4random overriding it
< 1443303208 593800 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@wn gnarly
< 1443303209 739333 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :*** "gnarly" wn "WordNet (r) 3.0 (2006)"
< 1443303209 917323 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :gnarly
< 1443303209 917408 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :    adj 1: used of old persons or old trees; covered with knobs or
< 1443303209 917445 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :           knots; "gnarled and knotted hands"; "a knobbed stick"
< 1443303209 917477 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :           [syn: {gnarled}, {gnarly}, {knotted}, {knotty},
< 1443303211 809372 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :           {knobbed}]
< 1443303247 783765 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1443303253 28421 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is what the k code is
< 1443303265 218332 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A person and/or a tree.
< 1443303283 367272 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess most code is a (parse) tree.
< 1443303285 115581 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's normally used as a metaphor, I think
< 1443303300 48956 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really? Still variable? How?
< 1443303311 192033 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, less than before at least
< 1443303322 351138 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess there could be some time thingy
< 1443303387 93219 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :"sH{wt
< 1443303390 764748 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :this apparently hangs
< 1443303396 964516 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1443303426 369262 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: The fungot ^ul time limits are in terms of Underload "operations", so you can have some pretty slow programs, e.g. if you push two strings so that the stack is almost to the limit, and then loop ~.
< 1443303426 582638 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: just a minor reference here. on the flip side of the pond fnord hence the name monk fish) than the professional records? fnord fnord 03:38, 18 may 2006 ( utc
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< 1443303454 950859 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style
< 1443303455 129286 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack oots pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp* youtube
< 1443303471 667251 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can tell from the timestamp.
< 1443303485 564578 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh yes, t of course
< 1443303672 496963 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, afl is particularly fond of loading HRTI for some odd reason
< 1443303719 327946 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I gave all the fingerprints loading as input, since finding valid fingerprints might be hard)
< 1443303740 904989 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ITRH"4(!tNNyyyyyy
< 1443303745 152588 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm not sure how that hangs
< 1443303753 230595 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh wait, t againb
< 1443303758 922383 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :and N will of course reflect
< 1443303765 337752 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was going to ask, what does N do?
< 1443303767 748823 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should probably disable t
< 1443303775 914118 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, nothing in HRTI it appears
< 1443303844 283765 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my head is hurting trying to figure out what yyyyyy does
< 1443303849 907266 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :apart from push a bunch of garbage to the stack
< 1443304140 403448 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well that is what it does, though not all of it, since y is also pick
< 1443304175 305822 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I know
< 1443304184 348015 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah I'm running non-concurrent now, since I got way too many "unique" t related hangs that weren't really unique from my point of view
< 1443304252 770029 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I patched in a instruction count limit, and "find next instruction" cycle limit (code doing p at super large coordinates then cfunge iterating forever to get to that point) and so on
< 1443304262 107080 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :since those hangs are just the program doing stupid stuff
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< 1443304279 367980 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that is the downside, finding *interesting* hangs is hard when fuzzing an interpreter
< 1443304283 166739 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1443304353 168796 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, it is not like I haven't fuzz tested before though, so some of that stuff existed, but then I did it with alarm(), but that seems less compatible with afl to some extent
< 1443304388 624304 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that fuzzing was just generating random programs and feeding it into cfunge
< 1443304462 634789 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, any idea how to tunnel SSH through a proxy that fakes SSL cert btw?
< 1443304473 562365 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, it doesn't just pass HTTPS through
< 1443304478 724622 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :it MITMs
< 1443304481 494064 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: what sort of proxy? http only?
< 1443304487 220655 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, http and https yes
< 1443304492 541137 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the HTTPS one MITMs
< 1443304506 168425 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you use a standard ssh-over-http, then (not sure where you get those from)
< 1443304518 639764 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the s in the https will just make things awkward because the mitmness will mean the certs won't verify
< 1443304535 215376 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed
< 1443304572 338497 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I used to ssh over 443 because it didn't MITM in the past and thus anything on 443 just went through
< 1443304589 359427 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :But now I need to change tactic
< 1443304619 683326 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have an acquaintance in another channel who keeps telling people to tunnel over DNS
< 1443304624 227140 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but while possible, that's really slow
< 1443304651 66384 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :dear god
< 1443304664 480199 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, also wouldn't it saturate the DNS caches?
< 1443304686 45599 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume you have a special authorative DNS server that listens for requests and returns other ones
< 1443304690 456961 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have also had idea before to tunnel stuff over DNS (just data though, not interactive sessions) in order to be able to use it from hotels and stuff where you can access DNS without needing an account or registration or whatever there
< 1443304691 583916 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably with short TTL
< 1443304727 891010 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I think you communicate one way using the exact URL being requested (that's a subdomain of a domain whose authoratitive DNS server you control)
< 1443304731 614220 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, since I can't make direct DNS requests there, only through the DNS server DHCP provides. I could possibly tunnel over ping because that goes through unhindered
< 1443304736 449166 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the other way using the IP addresses, TXT fields etc. being returned
< 1443304743 855963 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, my idea was tunneling SSH over websockets somehow
< 1443304753 41155 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also tunnel over ping has almost certainly been done already
< 1443304764 512681 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, seems even worse
< 1443304831 148706 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, anyway, figuring out a way to tunnel over http seems easier, the question is if it is compatible with running nginx
< 1443304847 24811 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I could do it with a virtual host or something
< 1443304853 536030 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :websockets is probably the sanest method, to be fair
< 1443304881 765275 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :See if the server supports using CONNECT, just make if it receive CONNECT first then it can be used like SSH after that for the current session, might be one way?
< 1443304898 186650 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, can't find any ready-made software for it though
< 1443304927 909751 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, pretty sure the new one doesn't, though I could test a bit more
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< 1443304977 428911 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, I know you can only connect to port 80 and 443 with HTTP and HTTPS respectively. You can't reach, say. a server on port 8080 on the internet
< 1443305161 608873 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :"PSD3"4(??????kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk???????ӈ^@^H .
< 1443305164 655396 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523,  ^
< 1443305223 907456 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ӈ isn't even a real command
< 1443305236 224724 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what does 3DSP do anyway?
< 1443305248 801591 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, vector maths iirc
< 1443305292 579944 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is an RCFunge one
< 1443305303 19906 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :vector and matrix operations
< 1443305352 841117 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ESAB"4( N
< 1443305356 313894 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a pretty strange one.
< 1443305357 864238 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder why N from BASE hangs
< 1443305363 712245 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, 3DSP?
< 1443305367 779098 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well yeha
< 1443305369 417395 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah*
< 1443305370 434053 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. Sort of very arbitrary.
< 1443305376 109278 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's N from BASE?
< 1443305382 625300 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, print in base
< 1443305392 125276 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's to do with how I/O is connected?
< 1443305397 246427 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe it's trying to print infinitely many zeroes?
< 1443305412 985481 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm
< 1443305423 419303 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh
< 1443305429 456592 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, it is printing in base 1
< 1443305434 904861 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course
< 1443305439 589812 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :since ( leaves the loaded fingerprint
< 1443305444 224175 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :as  1
< 1443305447 662667 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the stack
< 1443305457 594086 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, so it's printing a very large numer in unary
< 1443305463 699087 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :	if (base == 1) {
< 1443305463 876981 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :		while (val--)
< 1443305463 877038 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :			cf_putchar_unlocked('0');
< 1443305463 877061 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :		cf_putchar_unlocked(' ');
< 1443305465 797899 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1443305475 611495 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that is something that's impossible to do quickly
< 1443305496 419877 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you could perhaps use vmsplice()?
< 1443305501 718736 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :But no not really
< 1443305503 65755 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :gk{
< 1443305507 899433 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm
< 1443305520 121591 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :No I don't see why that would hang
< 1443305524 515006 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, I learned a new syscall today
< 1443305529 836797 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though the idea of k on { is annoying
< 1443305531 713926 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it only works on pipes
< 1443305534 971378 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, which one?
< 1443305537 357589 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :vmsplice
< 1443305540 464543 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1443305545 981127 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well there is splice too
< 1443305573 351722 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, it is all going for that fabled zero-copy-IO
< 1443305573 529686 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that one, though
< 1443305613 784438 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :SPLICE_F_GIFT looks abusable
< 1443305641 910307 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :really it should probably be specified to munmap the given pages…
< 1443305662 686266 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, wasn't there a root exploit using vmsplice soon after it was introduced?
< 1443305668 907874 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know
< 1443305675 294627 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Either vmsplice or splice
< 1443305756 705994 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, here are the hangs so far http://sprunge.us/bQJU
< 1443305773 546400 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :We can assume that ^ is from cat -e I think
< 1443305805 951369 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :And some of them I don't know why they hang, possibly my iteration limit is just too close to the actual time limit
< 1443305873 934343 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Quit: [
< 1443305874 487036 :atrapado!~atrapado@unaffiliated/atrapado QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1443305963 449180 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that double M-2 is confusing
< 1443305975 205936 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that ! on its own even more so
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< 1443306009 693104 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yes. I think it is just that the execution count is too close to the 20 ms limit in some cases
< 1443306018 482273 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :execution count limit*
< 1443306029 910725 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My λ-calculator is coming along nicely
< 1443306039 193600 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Currently setting up the AST evaluation functions
< 1443306043 956181 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*methods
< 1443306343 209935 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :night
< 1443306355 383436 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's interesting that whenever I start talking, everyone goes silent and/or leaves xd
< 1443306357 454231 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*xD
< 1443306376 992580 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: could just be timezones
< 1443306383 845930 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fair enough
< 1443306387 138741 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OR no one likes me xD
< 1443306407 373998 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could be just that this channel isn't very noisy anyway
< 1443306422 727787 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It isn't, that's true
< 1443306436 109894 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I publish what little I have for LIME so far?
< 1443306447 182788 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe we prefer concise esolangs (like burlesque) over verbose ones (like Shakespear)
< 1443306455 56696 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or should I wait until I have at least one working thing before I publish to GitHub?
< 1443306823 835496 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, this reminds me
< 1443306831 848544 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should push what I've done on The Underlambda Project so far somewhere public
< 1443306835 141787 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was going to hours ago but forgot
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< 1443306953 769906 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :here: darcs clone http://nethack4.org/esolangs/the-underlambda-project
< 1443306961 444550 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for anyone who wants to see how it's progressing so far
< 1443307449 734435 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: I think you can publish what you have so far if you want to do so
< 1443307460 849714 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: OK
< 1443307463 160505 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm adding:
< 1443307516 78961 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :* λ-expressions
< 1443307516 258407 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Named Expressions
< 1443307516 440437 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Operators
< 1443307516 440497 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Anything else?
< 1443307533 553059 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, that may be good enough so far I suppose
< 1443307886 751470 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: fwiw, linux doesn't currently implement SPLICE_F_GIFT (this is documented for the page-stealing half of SPLICE_F_MOVE of the splice system call)
< 1443307896 853671 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: oh good
< 1443307903 327297 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it doesn't matter that its semantics are insane
< 1443307918 260858 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they can always be fixed when it's implemented
< 1443308042 649002 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: a let or letrec form, some sort of numbers with built-in arithmetic and comparison primitives, possibly mutable cells or even mutable bindings (variables) created by the lambdas, some basic IO operations, a repl
< 1443308123 338408 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: It's a lambda calculus playground. You kind of have to define your own numbers and arithmetic
< 1443308184 469945 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: you still can do that if you want
< 1443308197 428282 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's useful to have them built-in
< 1443308198 872752 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can, but I kind of want to make users define their own things xD
< 1443308248 136831 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you want people to even have to transform let and letrec to lambda expressions by hand?
< 1443308253 209772 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or will you at least add that
< 1443308500 245440 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: ok, let me ask differently. if I want a lambda calculus calculator, what extra would this give compared to any other interpreter that supports lambda expressions, such as a perl/ruby/scheme etc interpreter?
< 1443308523 738971 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(assume a not very old version of perl; old versions have a cripping bug if you try to use them as a lamdba calculus interpreter)
< 1443308554 161577 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hi
< 1443308557 288685 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: Nothing at all. It's just a simple program for people to do lambda calculus in.
< 1443308560 38129 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :went back to computer for a moment
< 1443308565 579216 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :it had found one crash
< 1443308566 697287 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/FRGO
< 1443308570 731327 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: ok.
< 1443308574 216306 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :after minimizing
< 1443308592 682931 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, doesn't crash the non-fuzz build though :/
< 1443308611 857452 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: does it do some sort of reference counting or garbage collection to reclaim memory consumed by functions and bindings?
< 1443308654 596293 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, clearly related to this though:
< 1443308656 148429 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :  * In k: iteration: 1128597731 instruction: y (121)
< 1443308656 326505 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :  * In k: iteration: 1128597730 instruction: y (121)
< 1443308656 326557 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :  * In k: iteration: 1128597729 instruction: y (121)
< 1443308660 972660 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I might make it do that later, but it's a python-based system. So mostly no, unless python has some pretty advanced built-in garbage collection
< 1443308692 43943 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, python does have reference counting and even advanced garbage collection
< 1443308698 459721 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1443308701 334569 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that's probably a yes
< 1443308708 549629 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then yes, it does that
< 1443308713 873157 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :though you can write the interpreter in a bad way that doesn't let it work of course
< 1443308720 252589 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :True
< 1443308750 744239 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :will look at that tomorrow or next weekend (rather busy with real life tomorrow)
< 1443308751 15898 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's tricky, you have to make sure to hold references to only those bindings that are really needed
< 1443308801 620738 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: no, it's called true, that's a built-in expression; True is an old symbol kept from compatibility back from python 1 that you shouldn't use.
< 1443308825 607846 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :true is \x.\y.x :-P
< 1443308840 69047 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, what?
< 1443308851 672399 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: correct
< 1443308854 571415 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: now I'm trying to figure out how to get onto the second line
< 1443308871 60494 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably you need the [ to run where the y is currently (using offset k(
< 1443308873 556321 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*offset k
< 1443308873 734311 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well, [ 
< 1443308884 45104 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the [ can send you past the second line
< 1443308897 100921 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can't run along it unless it runs on the second line somehow
< 1443308900 837036 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but perhaps the second line's a red herring
< 1443308918 794906 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I will need to make a debug build with fuzz testing enabled to debug this tomorrow
< 1443308943 726482 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443308974 631396 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well it was still there when minimizing, and the minimizing turned it from this: http://sprunge.us/PHTZ
< 1443308976 867637 :evalj!~jeval@BC066B86.catv.pool.telekom.hu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1443309044 665308 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, so clearly the minimising did *something*
< 1443309124 779382 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :going to bed for real now
< 1443309221 129521 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443309306 125761 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, this is an ingenious case of variable behaviour though: "ITRH"4(G(
< 1443309315 949070 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now going to bed for really real
< 1443309318 358271 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :night
< 1443309328 511199 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also that program is beautiful :-)
< 1443309336 169913 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :all it's missing is another capital letter
< 1443309343 38709 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, why
< 1443309362 819571 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, it uses the computed timer resolution to determine how to load the next fingerprint
< 1443309375 499860 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :All the other variable cases also use HRTI
< 1443309379 654487 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :But much messier
< 1443309393 305239 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I mean, so that the newly loaded fingerprint actually runs
< 1443309422 836431 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/OESc
< 1443309432 108252 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1443309513 512071 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, it probably evaluated to 1 or 2, which trigger different code paths in cfunge
< 1443309625 292042 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway I thought you were going to bed :-P
< 1443309941 521316 :function!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :trout
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< 1443311547 885181 :doesthiswork1!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right now I'm learning how to program from John Von Neumann and it is exhilarating 
< 1443311803 363852 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :watch out for brain explosions
< 1443311855 124623 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :goerjanod evening.
< 1443311905 775878 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bood evenily
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< 1443315390 713579 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How difficult would it be to port xterm to a new kind of operating system if you omit some features (Unicode font support, TrueType font support, Tektronix mode, and everything having to do with widget sets)?
< 1443316152 575736 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hezzo38. aren't you just porting the concept of a POSIX shell then?
< 1443316190 772807 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :related question: are there anything else besides Tektronix and other historical weirdities?
< 1443316228 822766 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: xterm is mostly a VT100 family emulator, zzo38 wasn't suggesting removing that
< 1443316238 271235 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it doesn't actually have a shell included, it relies on other programs for that
< 1443316322 723521 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bitmap fonts and VT420 and Sixel graphics and so on would still be included but it doesn't necessarily use a UNIX shell or a windowing system, is what I meant
< 1443316363 196232 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I suspect the hardest parts will be a) rendering, and b) replacing the pseudoterminal logic with something that isn't UNIX-specific
< 1443316365 565347 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, clusterconfusion on my part there. of course the terminal isn't the shell. the map isn't the territory...
< 1443316399 88127 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :why must rendering be hard?
< 1443316410 287143 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: xterm assumes it's rendering to X, for obvious reasons
< 1443316420 501930 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38's new kind of operating system probably doesn't have an X impl
< 1443316506 805685 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh.
< 1443316800 188630 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1443316867 305006 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :\helloren\.
< 1443316884 811076 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if porting the whole X shebang would be hard...
< 1443316918 726401 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unicode font suppoirt is one of the easier things to have I think, beacuse on Windows for example you have to do work to not have it
< 1443316953 872588 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of the modern windows apis use unicode only
< 1443317057 346980 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :similar modern OS's have true typ and opentype font support for free
< 1443317109 761893 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably the hard parts are the stuff where xterm exposes its X window reference
< 1443317351 426744 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clearly you should have to omit the part where xterm exposes its X window reference
< 1443317416 187162 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also do not mean using an existing OS, but rather a new kind for specific uses
< 1443317630 715696 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca QUIT :Quit: SEPULCHRAL CHICKEN
< 1443318217 546992 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In an attempt to be a simpler and faster system that uses up less power on portable computers; core software may include a Forth environment, a terminal emulator, and a SSH client (with extensions for one-time-pad and Plan9 forwarding); there can also be some optional packages to add alarm-clock, CD audio, infrared communications, photography, fax, etc (some may require specific hardware to be present)
< 1443318527 317869 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
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< 1443318931 231115 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07MCEP14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=44406 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+213) 10Created Page
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< 1443320572 866744 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The intention is that you can access the computer even when you travel for vacation or business and/or to other country or to hotel or whatever; most computation and storage would then be done remotely by accessing your computer at home or some other server, but you can still do some operations locally too, including to program your own if needed.
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< 1443323156 889349 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDream
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< 1443323887 954936 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Zzo3814]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44407&oldid=40109 5* 03Zzo38 5* (+28) 10
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< 1443325440 169376 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a keyboard shortcut for "close all other tabs" in Firefox?
< 1443325476 399014 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Many things should have keyboard commands available but don't; I want to have as many things using keyboard command as will be possible to do so.
< 1443325497 117729 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443325514 230674 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just drag the tab out of the window
< 1443325518 557926 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :close other window
< 1443325589 618082 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, that does work, but I want to know how to do it with one or two keystrokes rather than using mouse
< 1443325605 12881 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or use that sequence of kb commands, eg open in new window, alt-tab, alt-f4
< 1443325612 647180 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure if theres a open in new window
< 1443325668 553872 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ALT+TAB and ALT+F4 are for Windows (although there are similar keycodes for the system I am using)
< 1443325699 97257 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :apple tab, cmd w, or cmd f4
< 1443325736 452296 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No they aren't, although I do know what they are on my system
< 1443325748 411349 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*shrug*
< 1443325760 939607 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is obviously not on a mac
< 1443325777 381193 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neither am I
< 1443325782 375839 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or linux)
< 1443325896 370668 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could always program said sequence into a key command
< 1443325972 417155 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really know how, although I would think I could put something into userChrome.js to implement such a thing, although still I don't quite know how
< 1443326048 64995 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i couldnt explain not knowing all the details
< 1443326064 408268 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but its probably something one could possibly googlecate themselves on with some ease
< 1443326130 526942 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know I have figured out some other things by looking in the DOM Inspector and Mozilla documentation and source-codes, but some things I did not find even with Google or other search enginges
< 1443326137 638205 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :'g custom keyboard commands firefox
< 1443326157 337057 :glowcoil!sid3405@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qjinhgffdzykrcik QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity
< 1443326174 659429 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :program semantics, query languages, distributed systems, etc... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2Aa4PivG0g
< 1443326344 27619 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example I have figured out how to change the way of location bar working; now it will display percent-encodings instead of displaying Unicode characters, and if I type / in the location bar it will access the root page of the current site (it now always treats the URL entered as relative, unless it is a complete absolute URL)
< 1443326604 807583 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Mbomb007 5*  10New user account
< 1443326712 820606 :bender|!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443326813 924916 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443326940 952384 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Self-modifying Brainfuck14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44408&oldid=38632 5* 03Mbomb007 5* (+68) 10/* External resources */
< 1443327029 533329 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07MCEP14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44409&oldid=44406 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (-14) 10Not sure what I did, or even if I did anything.
< 1443327520 692279 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Mbomb00714]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=44410 5* 03Mbomb007 5* (+179) 10Me
< 1443327661 898159 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Esoteric processor14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44411&oldid=35169 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+215) 10/* Ideas */ new section
< 1443327673 779260 :MoALTz_!~no@78.11.179.104 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443327678 930014 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Mbomb00714]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44412&oldid=44410 5* 03Mbomb007 5* (+16) 10fix link
< 1443327679 605484 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Esoteric processor14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44413&oldid=44411 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+98) 10Signed
< 1443327745 663862 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Esoteric Processor/GPU14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=44414 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+94) 10Created page
< 1443327771 444049 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi, MoALTz_!
< 1443327781 147637 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Mbomb00714]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44415&oldid=44412 5* 03Mbomb007 5* (-11) 10fix link
< 1443327850 930934 :MoALTz!~no@78.11.179.104 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1443327891 858558 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: did someone say "tunnel over DNS"? What would the purpose of that be?
< 1443327901 135047 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note that I'm not aware of any relevant context.
< 1443327907 340297 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi hppavilion[1] 
< 1443327915 465870 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: when you have to tunnel over /something/
< 1443327921 582634 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : whoever put that {{stub}} on the Esolang article about Feather is a genius, btw <-- why thank you.
< 1443327922 51074 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi adu
< 1443327928 702020 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :DNS is one of the least likely internet-based services to be blocked
< 1443327954 394258 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it felt like a pretty eso thing to do
< 1443328012 201298 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to design an Esoteric Computer (CPU and possibly GPU)
< 1443328013 409176 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION nods.
< 1443328018 967407 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's actually *shockingly* practical -- a decent number of captive portal wifi hotspots will end up still allowing DNS traffic through.
< 1443328021 499103 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I have to go study Procesors...
< 1443328025 678822 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Processors
< 1443328030 970720 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh.
< 1443328062 427958 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: I recommend MMIX
< 1443328066 126640 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: presumably, to avoid accidentally leaving a cached IP pointing at the portal for the website that the user was trying to visit?
< 1443328083 636675 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think so.
< 1443328084 925591 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(because an nxdomain return, or just dropping the request, would mean that the browser didn't try to load the captive portal page)
< 1443328141 340130 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depends on the captive portal, though.
< 1443328167 809361 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: I think Conway's Game of Life would be a great thing to make an esoteric computer out of.
< 1443328177 486448 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oooh
< 1443328194 510796 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume you're familiar with http://code.kryo.se/iodine/ ?
< 1443328195 513982 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cellular Automata are definitely an idea
< 1443328238 323293 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What should I call my Esoteric Computer?
< 1443328310 59960 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask b_jonas  can you send one to Ben Franklin please/ <-- let me guess, you want him to switch negative and positive charge?
< 1443328310 238375 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1443328320 154235 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(No one better make an hppavilion[1] joke)
< 1443328360 582962 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :HiggledPiggledy perhaps?
< 1443328373 268283 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Higgledy Piggledy?
< 1443328378 478420 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dammit, how do you spell that?
< 1443328392 523314 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: or you could base it on the work of Alexey Radul and Gerald Jay Sussman
< 1443328394 266786 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :higLdEpigLdE
< 1443328403 863750 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah
< 1443328406 762162 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jigoldipígoldi.
< 1443328409 27253 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll just go with higgledy piggledy
< 1443328430 732938 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :HiggledyPiggledyPowerAutomatonVirtualInstructibleLayoutInsensitiveOperatingNetwork[1]
< 1443328439 299881 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should call it Ambronse Alphose, of course.
< 1443328565 712332 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Higgledy Piggledy Processor14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=44416 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+373) 10Created Page (WIP)
< 1443329298 768813 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Zzo38/Programming languages with unusual features14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=44417 5* 03Zzo38 5* (+4821) 10Created page with "Here I list various programming languages and VMs and computers and so on with some kind of unusual features (and stuff I found interesting); if you disagree you might change ..."
< 1443331143 147385 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bthtaocmnyhooeyr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443331649 803738 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: Emoculus? really?
< 1443331659 800995 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not writing that page
< 1443331733 939326 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :adu: Are you angry at the pun?
< 1443331743 929933 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it can be changed.
< 1443331747 280786 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sounds like homonculus
< 1443331756 25634 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO clue what that is
< 1443331773 340101 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The name can be changed; it was just the best I could come up with
< 1443331821 426309 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Hppavilion1/Hedwig Notta14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44418&oldid=44383 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+12) 10There, adu
< 1443331828 326658 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Homonculus
< 1443331843 572173 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: ahh that's better
< 1443331853 48773 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dear god
< 1443331862 303317 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You just retroactively ruined my childhood
< 1443331895 155436 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: how so?
< 1443331914 30865 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just means "little man"
< 1443331914 222384 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Hppavilion1/Hedwig Notta14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44419&oldid=44418 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+41) 10Compartmentalization!
< 1443331929 719992 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :adu: I saw the word "sperm". I assumed things.
< 1443331937 730000 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is not immature
< 1443331974 945940 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the PC term is "little person"
< 1443332129 471254 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.thefreedictionary.com/homunculus
< 1443332135 640108 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also spelled with a u
< 1443332146 932946 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow you can learn so much from a dictionary
< 1443332789 343855 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Zzo38/Programming languages with unusual features14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44420&oldid=44417 5* 03Zzo38 5* (+4192) 10
< 1443332832 212398 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Zzo38/Programming languages with unusual features14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44421&oldid=44420 5* 03Zzo38 5* (+15) 10
< 1443332833 555921 :Deewiant!~deewiant@de1.ut.deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Re. nested k I just think that there's no reason to special-case it since the standard doesn't say you should, so I implement k to the letter and observe the resulting "interesting" nested k :-P
< 1443332972 595444 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls /var/tmp
< 1443332973 413347 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls: cannot access /var/tmp: No such file or directory
< 1443332979 369743 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls /tmp
< 1443332980 373886 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1443332989 38084 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls /var
< 1443332990 18405 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls: cannot access /var: No such file or directory
< 1443332997 732199 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls /usr
< 1443332998 593824 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin \ games \ include \ lib \ local \ sbin \ share \ src
< 1443333008 319447 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls /usr/share
< 1443333009 231808 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aclocal \ adduser \ alsa \ application-registry \ applications \ apps \ aptitude \ apt-xapian-index \ avahi \ base-files \ base-passwd \ binfmts \ bison \ bug \ build-essential \ ca-certificates \ ca-certificates-java \ calendar \ cmake-2.8 \ common-licenses \ dbus-1 \ debconf \ debhelper \ debianutils \ dict \ doc \ doc-base \ dpkg \ emacs \ file 
< 1443333027 175575 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo hi >/tmp/test
< 1443333027 954305 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1443333032 974260 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls /tmp
< 1443333033 788010 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1443333154 289619 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : ais523.................. <-- it was inevitable, really.
< 1443333178 130978 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` hg log --removed wisdom/culprit | grep summary:
< 1443333179 756657 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :summary:      revert accbc9c5c7ec \ summary:      echo wisdom/* | shuf | head -n 10 | xargs rm \ summary:      le/rn culprit/`culprits` is a program that lists the lists the nicks responsible for a wisdom entry. Usage: `culprits wisdom/ENTRY \ summary:      le/rn culprit/`culprits` is a program that lists the lists th
< 1443333197 968005 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know
< 1443333297 479075 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my attempts to delete random entries have apparently ended up putting me in the version history of all of them
< 1443333357 348181 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesthiswork1: I've got better at mentioning Feather without actually /thinking/ about it
< 1443333362 212142 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have way too many other things to think about atm
< 1443333378 851264 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hppavilion1 put one thing in the userspace because it is not esolang and you are free to move to the main namespace if it belong there, but there is also something in my userspace I do not know if it is esolang or not (although someone on this channel told me to put it there, I think); originally it said don't move to main namespace but now it says it can be moved if it is agreed to belong in main namespace.
< 1443333680 193347 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The page about Hedwig Notta is not bad as it is though, although it could be improved; unfortunately I do not know what to write.)
< 1443334222 85546 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello world
< 1443334639 863494 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
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< 1443335097 909554 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Quit: going home
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< 1443337011 93242 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I always start with "Lorem Ipsum" when I don't know what to write on a page. It's kinda like "Once upon a time", but can go on for days if you have enough latin
< 1443337035 855639 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu
< 1443337341 888547 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know enough Latin
< 1443337416 138837 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.lipsum.com/  now you do
< 1443337485 955284 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :alternatively, theres bacon https://baconipsum.com/
< 1443337635 583545 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if thats too non-kosher, theres a great document you can probably use, entitled "Chicken", that basically repeats the word chicken repeatedly, but is nicely formatted and pnctuated
< 1443337681 334788 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://esolangs.org/wiki/Chicken
< 1443337718 553740 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :brilliant
< 1443337960 406922 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds
< 1443337961 852823 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
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< 1443339665 279871 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443340306 659886 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell ais523 It found one real crash that happens on the normal binary so far. Related to stack stack starting ({ that is)
< 1443340306 838607 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1443340371 164281 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell ais523 "PXIF"4({XJJCdM-^? and "PXIF"4({XJJCyM-^? both trigger variants of it. And those are minimized.
< 1443340371 344063 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1443340779 527819 :doesthiswork1!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving.
< 1443341203 883485 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell ais523 Oh I see, it is trying to allocate around 2^62 funge cells, and for some reason it isn't failing at malloc, but when trying to memset it all to zero
< 1443341204 67457 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1443341441 848170 :MoALTz_!~no@78.11.179.104 NICK :MoALTz
< 1443341816 660899 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :malloc never fails.
< 1443341950 950776 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1443342038 104085 :sc00fy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443342085 535304 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cc #include  \ int main(void) { for(int i=0;; ++i) { assert (malloc(1e9)), printf("%d\n", i); } }
< 1443342090 272487 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​: In function ‘main’: \ :2:2: error: missing terminating " character \ compilation terminated due to -Wfatal-errors.
< 1443342176 890433 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cc #include  \ #include  \ #include  \ int main(void) { for(int i=0;; ++i) { assert (malloc(1e9)), printf("%d%c", i, 10); } }
< 1443342178 86070 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a.out: :4: main: Assertion `malloc(1e9)' failed. \ Aborted
< 1443342188 790198 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :For some values of never.
< 1443342192 827813 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`uname -a
< 1443342193 505359 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linux umlbox 3.13.0-umlbox #1 Wed Jan 29 12:56:45 UTC 2014 x86_64 GNU/Linux
< 1443342208 814940 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`stat /sys/vm
< 1443342210 350139 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :stat: cannot stat `/sys/vm': No such file or directory
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< 1443345385 537101 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Brainfuck14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44422&oldid=44390 5* 03Martin Büttner 5* (+275) 10/* Would BF still be TC with do-while loops? */
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< 1443347972 698348 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH PRIVMSG #esoteric :Insane, a language that changes how it works when you use it, but gives you details of how it changes.
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< 1443352152 38372 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, that question is still considered to be open?
< 1443353667 366923 :Sprocklem_!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443353811 574676 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
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< 1443356506 463210 :bender|!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guys, are there compilers that compile to BF?
< 1443356561 984176 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are (BFBASIC is one), but wouldn't that take out the fun of it?
< 1443357027 793039 :J_Arcane_!~chatzilla@37-219-59-230.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1443357127 776067 :J_Arcane_!~chatzilla@37-219-59-230.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi NICK :J_Arcane
< 1443357208 359459 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc11-sgyl31-2-0-cust296.sgyl.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443357225 544809 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc11-sgyl31-2-0-cust296.sgyl.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Changing host
< 1443357225 764660 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443358524 909242 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Brainfuck14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44423&oldid=44422 5* 03213.162.68.156 5* (+1756) 10/* Would BF still be TC with do-while loops? */
< 1443358610 648651 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :a bit tedious, perhaps, but not hard
< 1443359117 973768 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Int-e 5*  10New user account
< 1443359212 711255 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Brainfuck14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44424&oldid=44423 5* 03Int-e 5* (+85) 10/* Would BF still be TC with do-while loops? */ de-anonymize
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< 1443359226 475943 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Nyarlathotep14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44425&oldid=44404 5* 03CosmoConsole 5* (+0) 10/* Operation */ a minor change in operation
< 1443359300 595937 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Int-e14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=44426 5* 03Int-e 5* (+43) 10Created page with "I wasn't bored enough to say anything here."
< 1443360128 990456 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nonymising.
< 1443360240 726949 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan will probably have a fit about the missing -- and the broken thread... but I'm not sure what to do about the latter
< 1443360256 229554 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and can't be bothered to add the former right now
< 1443360277 274858 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1443361293 794885 :MDream!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDude
< 1443361897 260872 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :The calling conventions of bf-targeting compilers are even more esoteric than their target language
< 1443362092 812856 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Sait2000 5*  10New user account
< 1443362329 57102 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443363287 758640 :bender|!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 QUIT :Quit: [000]
< 1443363853 431052 :MoALTz_!~no@78.11.179.104 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443363960 130812 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Insomnia14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44427&oldid=39840 5* 03Sait2000 5* (+146) 10
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< 1443364264 871062 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443364779 341595 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could you train a markov chain on an image and then have it generate an image?
< 1443364882 729764 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFello. probably so!
< 1443364900 719347 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm thinking maybe start with the middle pixel, then grow concentric circles around it?
< 1443364951 446777 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1443364989 120436 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, it'd be something to try out
< 1443365100 204078 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems it is something that has been done
< 1443365105 276554 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah?
< 1443365156 414150 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.mat.ucsb.edu/~g.legrady/academic/courses/08s594/prj/db/
< 1443365163 934224 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't seem to have been too successful
< 1443365179 627964 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :The generated images don't really look like the training data
< 1443365233 683755 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :enhance the algorithm!
< 1443365252 858874 :mauris!~mauris@91.176.145.162 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443365317 389554 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm thinking about exploiting anisotropy: different probabilities according to the growth vector.
< 1443365344 554818 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe treat the colour channels separately? split tables for each of them.
< 1443365352 38312 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :surely a context of one pixel can't be enough...
< 1443365362 387043 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :that, too.
< 1443365437 796191 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :translate RGB to Lab, normalize data, create an Expectation-Maximisation model? use multiple pictures at the same time for training?
< 1443365448 770859 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :combine chickens!
< 1443365565 200245 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PART #esoteric :"CHICKEN POULET HUHN КУРИЦА"
< 1443365565 379784 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443366057 202471 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION should add a russian key layout... and re-learn russian...
< 1443366384 390375 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :what would be the most efficientest way to cover all of Unicode on a layout? modifier keys to reach different blocks?
< 1443366422 50818 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Escape-Meta-Alt-Control-Shift-SouthIndic-Tamil?
< 1443366566 644500 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, efficient in what sense...
< 1443366617 331826 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can do a frequency analysis and make a huffman tree using all keys of your keyboard ;)
< 1443366628 162487 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :something along those lines :D
< 1443366673 163811 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember that when I was using rxvt-unicode I could hold Ctrl-Shift and type codepoint hex codes to get any wanted character.
< 1443366682 715091 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :just pick 24 keys and use binary chording
< 1443366720 860556 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phellontom_Hoover. that's a possibility, but not enough "humanlike" hth
< 1443366753 302827 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, better limit yourself to 8 simultaneously pressed keys at most ;)
< 1443367325 936579 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de TOPIC #esoteric :The Unicode Pianist | ɛ̃ˈglɪʃ spɛˈliŋ ʀɘfɔʀm/ | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ | https://esolangs.org/
< 1443368507 685044 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Brainfuck14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44428&oldid=44424 5* 03Int-e 5* (+321) 10/* Would BF still be TC with do-while loops? */ oops.
< 1443368674 949555 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. "Notice will be provided in clear and conspicuous language" ... is "conspicuous" a legal term?
< 1443368991 729388 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the most effiecient!
< 1443369049 159703 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try simply having compose + base-64-encoded-code-poin
< 1443369168 580419 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe have a choose-language key, which is followed by a language code
< 1443369203 417540 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :choose,D,E gives you a german keyboeard
< 1443369240 599451 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :choose,S,E gives you a swedish one
< 1443369262 526208 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :choose,J,P gives you a japanese IME
< 1443369380 259343 :sc00fy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443369681 339840 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Brainfuck14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44429&oldid=44428 5* 03Int-e 5* (+229) 10/* Would BF still be TC with do-while loops? */ oops again
< 1443369768 291776 :sc00fy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1443369982 500170 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Brainfuck14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44430&oldid=44429 5* 03Int-e 5* (+2) 10/* Would BF still be TC with do-while loops? */ ...details, details
< 1443370210 550458 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving...
< 1443370618 305223 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I have a "phonetic Russian" keyboard layout set up.
< 1443370648 876358 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I don't speak Russian.
< 1443370654 486372 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps I should.
< 1443370763 372816 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had that keyboard layout set up on my laptop
< 1443370773 595325 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: oh I see what happened, I had somehow conflated "conspicuous" and "suspicious"
< 1443370779 903824 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i havent used my laptop seriously in months
< 1443371709 582541 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443371782 982587 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: are you using it now?
< 1443371984 680851 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in other news I still havent' found any need to install linux on my new laptop. Instead, I'm currently sshing into my linux laptop and using the brand new one as a thin client.
< 1443372093 12353 :mauris!~mauris@91.176.145.162 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: i hear you know the secrets to 84-byte haskell fizzbuzz (but not henkma's 82)
< 1443372099 650341 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yeah. still on 32-bit up in this bitch
< 1443372157 241273 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :84 bytes? isn't that rather a lot
< 1443372163 17185 :mauris!~mauris@91.176.145.162 PRIVMSG #esoteric :people are collecting the very shortest fizzbuzzes on codegolf.SE now that the competition has sort of died out! so i shared my 85B and maybe we should compare solutions? http://codegolf.stackexchange.com/a/58800/3852
< 1443372178 811705 :mauris!~mauris@91.176.145.162 PRIVMSG #esoteric :main=mapM(putStrLn.f)[1..100];f n|d<-drop.(*4).mod n=max(show n)$d 3"Fizz"++d 5"Buzz"
< 1443372251 102524 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, haskell, not some esolang
< 1443372256 321235 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well then
< 1443372331 889467 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :at those code densities any language is an esolang :)
< 1443372388 678125 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :exceptt perl, where this is considered normal
< 1443372442 667963 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's interesting that the lengths of the haskell and C versions are so close
< 1443372480 254043 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :despite the two languages being basically at odds in so many ways
< 1443372565 403600 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then there is a cluster around 54 or Perl Python PHP and Powershell
< 1443372670 546882 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca QUIT :Quit: TRIBULATIVE CHICKEN
< 1443372776 701139 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Myabe these clusters reflect some degree of similarity of the "density" of the syntax, as an emergent quality of the language (the maximum "meaning per character" expressible in the syntax)
< 1443372829 576342 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :mauris: I have no idea where you heard that but you heard wrong
< 1443372866 600608 :mauris!~mauris@91.176.145.162 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/2014-09-14.txt ?
< 1443372954 804637 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I had 84 that day I didn't record the solution. But I probably just miscounted and didn't bother to report the fact.
< 1443372965 711803 :mauris!~mauris@91.176.145.162 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, ok
< 1443373033 183973 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in my file there's a 85 character solution)
< 1443373611 170924 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@86.89.119.147 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443373970 426787 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Quit: BBL
< 1443374138 526660 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1443374459 252964 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :tix=0 tid=0 x=11 y=0: / (47)
< 1443374459 476107 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :	Stack has 2 elements, top 15 (or less) elements:
< 1443374459 476184 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :		-1 -9223372036854775808 
< 1443374464 439551 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Floating point exception
< 1443374469 381620 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :whaty
< 1443374552 458755 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds
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< 1443374620 612791 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :(gdb) print -9223372036854775808LL / -1LL
< 1443374620 796338 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :$3 = 0
< 1443374622 571813 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh?
< 1443374632 498904 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the program crashes with SIGFPE on that
< 1443374705 54913 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't get it
< 1443374730 351238 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (-2^63) `div` (-1) :: Int
< 1443374731 861050 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : *Exception: arithmetic overflow
< 1443374752 339034 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: look at the manual for sigfpe
< 1443374768 435953 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's stated there to exactly do that
< 1443374786 634415 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah
< 1443374798 962308 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname, I don't have a man page for sigfpe?
< 1443374830 5466 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :so which manual do you mean? The C specification?
< 1443375000 616093 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I did that on cfunge just the other day.
< 1443375007 103909 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Didn't think it counted as a bug when you asked.
< 1443375023 23968 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's exactly the one thing I was trying to use <(echo ...) for.
< 1443375024 114637 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, oh? Well the standard only mentions division by zero
< 1443375039 166063 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I would like to handle whatever this is
< 1443375096 310765 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, so why is -2⁶³ / -1 an SIGFPE?
< 1443375096 503559 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You get SIGFPE on the DE exception, and x86 throws the DE exception if the result is out of range.
< 1443375103 336173 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :DE?
< 1443375112 295274 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh is that a x86 flag
< 1443375114 670827 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of the x86 hardware exceptions.
< 1443375120 655359 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1443375127 984672 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's a SIGFPE because INT_MIN / -1 would have the value (INT_MAX+1), which doesn't fit.
< 1443375130 94271 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, well the standard says nothing about this issue
< 1443375136 414316 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :And presumably it is x86 specific
< 1443375155 129063 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does the IEEE say?
< 1443375161 592432 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing, because it's an integer operation.
< 1443375166 378283 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's signed overflow, which is undefined
< 1443375169 310639 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh of course
< 1443375180 676883 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, so what does the funge standard say?
< 1443375187 120038 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :And what does ccbi do
< 1443375187 443669 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably nothing.
< 1443375201 402562 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure what you get on other architectures, but the problem itself is common to everything that's twos'-complement.
< 1443375205 750461 :aretecode!~aretecode@50.23.131.206-static.reverse.softlayer.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443375214 229629 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, so what do you think should happen?
< 1443375250 334079 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's really a matter of opinion. You could argue that it's quite similar to division-by-zero, and could yield zero.
< 1443375252 408745 :Deewiant!~deewiant@de1.ut.deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The standard doesn't mention the issue, CCBI doesn't special-case it
< 1443375262 13436 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, also how did you test this btw? I'd like to know if you managed to beat the fuzzer to the program length
< 1443375266 907045 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The other "typical" answer is to return INT_MIN again.
< 1443375282 661339 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ echo '2:*:*:*:*:*:2/*:.01-/' > tmp.bef; cfunge tmp.bef
< 1443375283 957330 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, well I'd like my program to not crash :P
< 1443375294 377433 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 2^32 * 2^32 :: Int
< 1443375294 561739 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, or do: "PXIF"4(R:S/3"0
< 1443375295 856175 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0
< 1443375297 146877 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The one :. is extra, too, left for debugging.
< 1443375334 426972 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :2:*:*:*:*:*:2/*01-/ is still a bit longer, but at least it's fingerprint-free.
< 1443375334 610541 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I haven't bothered figuring out how that triggers it, have fun if you want to
< 1443375348 144695 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I think it multiplies the fingerprint itself or something
< 1443375379 642444 :Deewiant!~deewiant@de1.ut.deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Oh wow, I didn't realize that actually causes a SIGFPE on x86.
< 1443375383 222105 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even know what the FIXP representation is.
< 1443375396 653835 :Deewiant!~deewiant@de1.ut.deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always thought it just yields INT_MIN again.
< 1443375400 320440 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a classic denial-of-service technique.
< 1443375416 602642 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, right, so now you will patch ccbi?
< 1443375429 830827 :Deewiant!~deewiant@de1.ut.deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd rather not
< 1443375435 449191 :Deewiant!~deewiant@de1.ut.deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :If somebody actually cares, then yes
< 1443375442 527801 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, is it just LONG_MIN / -1 that can cause this?
< 1443375448 594565 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, or some other combination too?
< 1443375454 471344 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd rather not catch SIGFPE
< 1443375455 315842 :Deewiant!~deewiant@de1.ut.deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: INT_MIN works just fine too.
< 1443375465 440550 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, no, I have 64-bit cells :P
< 1443375471 638284 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I for one would prefer if INT_MIN/-1 silently gave INT_MIN, but the division by zero trap in that case is hard-coded in the signed division operation of x86, so you can't just change this cheaply without wrapping every division operation. 
< 1443375502 494582 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It's the only combination when your input and output operands are the same size.
< 1443375503 38442 :Deewiant!~deewiant@de1.ut.deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: (LONG_MIN isn't necessarily 64-bit) in that case, yes, only that case (and division by zero which you know and handle).
< 1443375510 905532 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas, well you could catch SIGFPE and mess with the registers, but urgh
< 1443375512 990815 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can certainly wrap the division, but it would be crazy to expect for the C language to do that for you.
< 1443375523 822333 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yes, you can certainly do that.
< 1443375526 517137 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hm?
< 1443375537 508865 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah
< 1443375538 714826 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see
< 1443375552 492098 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "SIGFPE if result is too big" is also the bane of everyone who assumes the x86 div/idiv instructions are 64x64 to 64 when it's actually 128x64 to 64.
< 1443375552 856558 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can't avoid the trap unless you make sure in advance to give the right arguments
< 1443375555 827993 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, I think I have a FUNGE_CELL_MIN define or something *somewhere*
< 1443375600 322450 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas, that is the more portable solution I will go for probably
< 1443375605 51462 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want to mess with SIGFPE
< 1443375617 665613 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And analogously for 64x32-to-32, 32x16-to-16 and 16x8-to-8.)
< 1443375627 62981 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's been a number of people on ##asm who don't clear (or sign-extend, as appropriate) the high half.
< 1443375692 754066 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, some cpu do crazy stuff if you divide by 2^x with the lower 64 bit being 0
< 1443375694 776115 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ARIN has reached depletion of the general IPv4 free pool today, 24 September 2015."
< 1443375699 178519 :Deewiant!~deewiant@de1.ut.deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: FIXP provides 4 decimal digits of precision.
< 1443375700 20536 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: iirc it's a trap, not a fault, so you don't even have to mess with the registers. just return from the interrupt
< 1443375704 734266 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :still, that's expensive
< 1443375719 109422 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I guess I will have to patch CPLI and such too
< 1443375720 871329 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(so is a division in first place, but there's a big difference)
< 1443375727 493066 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :	if (denom != 0) {
< 1443375727 679849 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :		stack_push(ip->stack, (ai * bi + ar * br) / denom);
< 1443375727 679938 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :		stack_push(ip->stack, (ai * br - ar * bi) / denom);
< 1443375727 679971 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :	} else {
< 1443375728 321318 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :		stack_push(ip->stack, 0);
< 1443375729 307862 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :		stack_push(ip->stack, 0);
< 1443375729 499424 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Oh, right, I somehow skipped that line.
< 1443375730 491084 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :	}
< 1443375732 704259 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay that will be annoying
< 1443375801 464880 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, I'm using afl to fuzz cfunge in case you missed that yesterday
< 1443375803 882753 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just stick a static inline cell funge_div(cell nom, cell denom); somewhere and use that every time you feel like writing a /.
< 1443375844 912013 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, it found this bug, k-issues and something really really strange with broken stacks in { for massive negative arguments. Other than that it seems very good
< 1443375855 535845 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, probably a good idea yes
< 1443375907 860784 :Deewiant!~deewiant@de1.ut.deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Oh, good, let me know if you find anything else interesting. It's on my todo list for my written-in-C interpreter (which is turning out to be a bit of a fi:ikuisuusprojekti).
< 1443375919 128063 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, a what?
< 1443375935 878063 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, well it should generate a corpus that will exercise lots of code paths
< 1443375941 266326 :Deewiant!~deewiant@de1.ut.deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Couldn't think of a good translation on short notice.
< 1443375942 406 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, might be fun running ccbi on that
< 1443375949 143466 :Deewiant!~deewiant@de1.ut.deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Can it instrument D?
< 1443375951 549804 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :a moment, I'm still looking it up, I'm not sure in this
< 1443375965 111094 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, no, but there is a qemu mode, (somewhat slower)
< 1443375991 745768 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, and if you can target LLVM, it might be possible, not sure. I haven't looked into the llvm stuff, but it might need clang?
< 1443376008 273336 :Deewiant!~deewiant@de1.ut.deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it needs clang it can't use D, that's for sure.
< 1443376015 759961 :Deewiant!~deewiant@de1.ut.deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it can work on raw LLVM it'd work though.
< 1443376043 193494 :Deewiant!~deewiant@de1.ut.deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'd rather not set up the whole D development thing again... I'm hoping I won't have to touch CCBI any more. :-P
< 1443376043 627590 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks, manual, using the symbol "#DE" for two different things. typical of your sloppy ambiguous pseudocode notation, intel.
< 1443376095 210329 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, don't like D?
< 1443376113 436889 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "D" is short for "dead language".
< 1443376115 713514 :Deewiant!~deewiant@de1.ut.deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: D 1.0 is dead.
< 1443376151 859379 :Deewiant!~deewiant@de1.ut.deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Last update end of 2012. I could port to D 2.0 but I don't like it and the effort is probably comparable to rewriting in C anyway.
< 1443376192 647395 :Deewiant!~deewiant@de1.ut.deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately the rewrite turned into rewrite-and-improve so it's kind of stuck as I don't have as much time to work on it as I used to.
< 1443376204 496703 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what about -1 / -2^63?
< 1443376216 404937 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: That's just 0.
< 1443376220 891649 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is no weird underflow or something I assume
< 1443376222 997732 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right
< 1443376239 557333 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, ah
< 1443376247 448420 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm wrong
< 1443376252 439452 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the AMD manual says it's a fault
< 1443376258 878805 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you have to do something special, you can't just ignore it
< 1443376263 224854 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh
< 1443376266 403950 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is the word for the part that isn't the denominator in English?
< 1443376271 276019 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's stupid, but it's for compatibility
< 1443376272 109723 :Deewiant!~deewiant@de1.ut.deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: numerator
< 1443376273 857242 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "numerator"
< 1443376274 60788 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: numerator
< 1443376275 664804 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think
< 1443376276 662305 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks
< 1443376287 226334 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, like Númenor or Numitor
< 1443376300 263720 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :where is this in the intel manual though?
< 1443376307 118286 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I've heard it called "fraction line" or something like that.
< 1443376402 806853 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: In my copy, it's in volume 3, chapter 6.15 "Exception and Interrupt Reference", subpart "Interrupt 0 - Divide Error Exception (#DE)".
< 1443376408 667715 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Exception Class: Fault."
< 1443376436 420957 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Indicates the divisor operand for a DIV or IDIV instruction is 0 or that the result cannot be represented in the number of bits specified for the destination operand."
< 1443376457 80397 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what about %?
< 1443376462 841508 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, when can that fail?
< 1443376470 549007 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: that's the same instruction
< 1443376476 417860 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right
< 1443376507 128516 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, and what should it return on -2^63 / -1
< 1443376529 404957 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rather, -2^63 % -1, and that one should clearly be 0.
< 1443376532 800393 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (-2^63) `mod` (-1)
< 1443376534 490909 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0
< 1443376540 929552 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (-2^63) `rem` (-1)
< 1443376542 354563 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0
< 1443376543 267381 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: we have already established what it does return
< 1443376570 23315 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah
< 1443376590 738739 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: indeed, it's there
< 1443376590 925527 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what should it return in MODU fingerprint though?
< 1443376592 609227 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks
< 1443376593 740673 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(nothing, it causes an exception)
< 1443376608 479553 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell actually implements special cases for INT_MIN/-1
< 1443376623 292340 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is why the mod and rem don't fail
< 1443376631 431855 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, because that is all the cases of signed result, unsigned result and reminder
< 1443376651 274844 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (-2^63) `mod` (-1) :: Int
< 1443376652 817296 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0
< 1443376673 295784 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :;-)
< 1443376673 495295 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (-2^63) :: Int
< 1443376675 112976 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : -9223372036854775808
< 1443376678 181795 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (2^63 :: Int) == (-2^63)
< 1443376679 727176 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : True
< 1443376680 894229 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure it should be 0 for all the three variants.
< 1443376681 362823 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :> rem (-2^63) (-1) :: Int
< 1443376683 56420 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0
< 1443376698 959421 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :three?
< 1443376712 440010 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :four, but yes
< 1443376719 877347 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (-2^63) `div` (-1) :: Int
< 1443376721 328567 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : *Exception: arithmetic overflow
< 1443376785 399298 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: There's only three in the MODU fingerprint.
< 1443376807 179067 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's seven in one R7RS draft, IIRC, but they culled them down a bit.
< 1443376807 362784 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is the missing fourth variant?
< 1443376818 757591 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :seven!?
< 1443376836 858987 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, maybe only six.
< 1443376848 5167 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :still
< 1443376858 706610 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It defines the functions {floor,ceiling,centered,truncate,round,euclidan}-{quotient,remainder}.
< 1443376877 485706 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're all defined in terms of what the quotient is.
< 1443376889 800554 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ceiling, floor, truncate and round are probably all self-evident.
< 1443376903 803539 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1443376920 25048 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :The other ones are not
< 1443376931 587169 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Euclidean is "floor if denominator is > 0, ceiling if denominator is < 0".
< 1443376942 580894 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Makes little sense, but go on
< 1443376968 713826 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And centered is "choose quotient such that -|denom/2| <= remainder < |denom/2|".
< 1443376978 924586 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume round is "round to nearest, 0.5 away from 0"?
< 1443376996 222772 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Centered makes the remainder as small is possible.
< 1443377002 5135 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh
< 1443377007 316631 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In absolute value terms.
< 1443377013 580368 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay
< 1443377020 741531 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the difference between centered and round? or between euclidean and truncate?
< 1443377058 447567 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Round is "round to even on 0.5".
< 1443377074 447875 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently "for consistency with the default rounding mode" for IEEE floats.
< 1443377087 870691 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :eww
< 1443377120 555203 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what about this code for "variable behaviour" warning btw? "ITRH"4(G(
< 1443377128 605729 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it is brilliant
< 1443377130 676457 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Truncate would give you 1 out of (-3)/(-2); euclidean gives 2.
< 1443377143 34920 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah!
< 1443377147 807717 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it's ceil((-3)/(-2)) since -2 < 0.
< 1443377157 468109 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, agree?
< 1443377161 525646 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Euclidean" presumably keeps the remainder 0 <= r < |b|.
< 1443377195 459777 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't really keep any of them straight in my head without working it out.
< 1443377225 866667 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, this is quite a bad crash: http://sprunge.us/FgJR
< 1443377230 549579 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I'm not sure how widely useful these are. They were all in the core language, too, which was supposed to be small and neat, after the R6RS debacle.
< 1443377239 290245 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least valgrind picks up on it earlier
< 1443377244 278500 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 5 `mod` (-3)
< 1443377245 664159 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : -1
< 1443377264 196230 :Deewiant!~deewiant@de1.ut.deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Agree on what?
< 1443377276 418791 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They only kept {floor,truncate}-{quotient,remainder} in the final R7RS.
< 1443377293 194864 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, that "IRTH"4(G( is a beautiful way to find non-determinism
< 1443377331 187388 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :-a / -b gives you the ceiling version
< 1443377349 884908 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(when used with the floor version)
< 1443377367 342152 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, even when srandom has been hard coded in for the point of fuzzing and so on
< 1443377370 895550 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1443377379 932915 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :-(a/ -b)
< 1443377402 744603 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :#1  0x000000000040fd6e in stack_zero_fill (stack=0x67a45a0, count=9223372036854775800) at /home/arvid/src/own/cfunge/trunk/src/stack.c:486
< 1443377402 928252 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :486		memset(&stack->entries[stack->top], 0, count * sizeof(funge_cell));
< 1443377402 928318 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :(gdb) print count
< 1443377402 928339 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :$1 = 9223372036854775800
< 1443377407 418656 :Deewiant!~deewiant@de1.ut.deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: You mean afl found that, or what? It's certainly clever-looking, yes
< 1443377408 87195 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep, I can see why this crashes
< 1443377415 72448 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, afl found it yes
< 1443377424 516327 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, presumably it is either 1 or 2 on my system
< 1443377448 407581 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, it reports inputs that give variable behaviour as well
< 1443377460 280464 :Deewiant!~deewiant@de1.ut.deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, didn't know that
< 1443377465 249764 :Deewiant!~deewiant@de1.ut.deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Never actually used it myself)
< 1443377469 274285 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (-16) `div` 2 :: Word
< 1443377470 661794 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 9223372036854775800
< 1443377521 773310 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, since I patched in srandom(4) for fuzz testing and so on, it only managed to find 22 cases of variable behaviour so far (wrt which branch is taken)
< 1443377566 903465 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also limits to 1000 executed instructions, and 500 spaces before giving up to find the next instruction, since those are boring hangs
< 1443377587 327168 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still have 38k hangs (500+ unique) it reports, so eh
< 1443377597 406794 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :It ran since yesterday evening
< 1443377601 429448 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :On 3 cores
< 1443377690 933066 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most variable behaviour involves HRTI
< 1443377714 164087 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though it managed one with JSTR, that is interesting
< 1443377728 363979 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bah. Tried to set up the Chromium tree at home, but it just fetches the 21 gigs of stuff and barfs http://sprunge.us/ZDBC
< 1443377780 812182 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :here are some interesting cases of non-determinism when random/srandom is neutred: http://sprunge.us/aSaQ
< 1443377789 453825 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :A lot involve HRTI and are probably boring
< 1443377802 216245 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is one involving TOYS it seems
< 1443377822 52208 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or
< 1443377827 198191 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :"PSD2SYOT"4( C"%4"SEO"BEMIT"4(EMIH"HHG""(VX^VL4(VF^VL
< 1443377831 635740 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is quite interesting
< 1443377845 373862 :Deewiant!~deewiant@de1.ut.deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :With the amount of ( there I wouldn't be surprised if it ends up loading HRTI :-P
< 1443377863 740828 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, I think it loads TIME
< 1443377876 348985 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is just as bad I guess
< 1443377878 30176 :Deewiant!~deewiant@de1.ut.deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah right, that exists too.
< 1443377895 835278 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, this one I don't get though: "RTSJ"4(????\E\\\\(?????M-^??(M-SM-^J^@4???^_?????(M-SM-^J^@4???^_?????ek_\\\y\\\P
< 1443377927 636326 :Deewiant!~deewiant@de1.ut.deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's an y involved
< 1443377931 923296 :Deewiant!~deewiant@de1.ut.deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which should be enough
< 1443377935 530576 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh I guess you are right
< 1443377981 171180 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I have some crashes, that are not crashes unless I run it with the fuzz build. All of them involve k. So that is fun
< 1443378023 35297 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm more concerned with the { crash. That might be exploitable if you can trick the program into using a massive negative value
< 1443378035 699177 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since it crashes at different addresses each time
< 1443378146 343497 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07HALT14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44431&oldid=44397 5* 03Vihan 5* (+6) 10/* Escaping Quotes */
< 1443378249 527717 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07HALT14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44432&oldid=44431 5* 03Vihan 5* (-10) 10/* Functions */
< 1443378263 440791 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems it successfully allocates 1 TB virtual address space first?
< 1443378286 784364 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exactly 1 TiB I think?
< 1443378338 998930 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, Linux overcommitting makes it hard to implement stack stack memory handling properly :/
< 1443378377 738740 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though that is not the issue at hand
< 1443378383 601897 :Deewiant!~deewiant@de1.ut.deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: The user's OS not reporting memory allocation failures is not your problem :-P
< 1443378391 620038 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :It overflows
< 1443378422 961532 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, becuase it allocates 1*8 TiB, which apparently overflows signed 64-bit? Really?
< 1443378430 608909 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :(gdb) print 9223372036854775802LL * 8LL
< 1443378430 794001 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :$9 = -48
< 1443378520 979295 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07HALT14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44433&oldid=44432 5* 03Vihan 5* (+59) 10/* Functions */
< 1443378523 341108 :Deewiant!~deewiant@de1.ut.deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :9223372036854775802 is not a terabyte
< 1443378571 944317 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is it, 8 ebibyte?
< 1443378574 742365 :Deewiant!~deewiant@de1.ut.deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's 8 EiB, and yes 64 EiB doesn't fit in signed 64-bit
< 1443378634 352161 :Deewiant!~deewiant@de1.ut.deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually it's 8 EiB minus six bytes
< 1443378635 148268 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah
< 1443378689 147967 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, actually I think the calculation is unsigned, when it does the allocation.
< 1443378709 208612 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to understand why it doesn't fail at that point
< 1443378709 392030 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07HALT14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44434&oldid=44433 5* 03Vihan 5* (+77) 10
< 1443378716 43018 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of when trying to memset the thing
< 1443378724 949303 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it makes you feel any better, that's just Linux's default behavior, not the only one.
< 1443378735 931642 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know tha
< 1443378737 804094 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :that*
< 1443378743 251297 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07HALT14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44435&oldid=44434 5* 03Vihan 5* (+3) 10/* Functions */
< 1443378748 195589 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can tell Linux to actually keep track of memory like LITERALLY EVERY OTHER OS ON THE FACE OF THE PLANET. :)
< 1443378748 380189 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :but 8 ebibyte is stupid
< 1443378807 724805 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, that meant I couldn't start SCBL at some point, because it allocated a huge chunk of memory ahead of time
< 1443378824 653740 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope that's SBCL
< 1443378840 257237 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :err yeah probably, the LISP thingy
< 1443378861 370277 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, is SCBL something else that exists?
< 1443378876 57355 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably. nothing I know about though
< 1443378889 737297 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "hope" thingy made me curious
< 1443378890 394054 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Southern Collegiate Baseball League"
< 1443378907 454469 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: ah I was hoping not to be ignorant of something well-known ;)
< 1443378914 507247 :Deewiant!~deewiant@de1.ut.deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Maybe you can set a signal handler and thus notice the memset failure, not sure
< 1443378938 522706 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :also "spamcop blocking list"...
< 1443378948 305620 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's something I might have encountered
< 1443378968 436055 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh, pretty sure the OOM killer does SIGKILL. :)
< 1443378970 56072 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, heh
< 1443378989 193428 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, anyway it isn't the OOM killer that messes me up
< 1443378997 144315 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there must be a different bug in here
< 1443379001 451307 :Deewiant!~deewiant@de1.ut.deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: D'oh.
< 1443379098 767831 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, hm does the allocation almost overflow unsigned arithmetic right?
< 1443379126 728789 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I round up to nearest 4096 byte boundary when allocating
< 1443379133 568136 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I probably overflow I would guess
< 1443379163 671182 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually that is 4096 funge cells
< 1443379177 50060 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I actually round up to 8*4096 bytes
< 1443379225 171955 :Deewiant!~deewiant@de1.ut.deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: One exbibyte is 2^60 bytes so you can have almost 16 of those
< 1443379291 860449 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weird then
< 1443379306 385745 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443379375 998195 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that maybe how it should be done by Linux OOM killer is instead, first to do ahead of time to send SIGMEM signal (default: do nothing) before it run out of memory, and then SIGOOM (default: terminate) and then SIGKILL
< 1443379477 629118 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Hppavilion1/Hedwig Notta14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44436&oldid=44419 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+2) 10Narrowed down mother's death date given recent evidence
< 1443379643 251292 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Hppavilion1/Hedwig Notta14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44437&oldid=44436 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+13) 10Linked
< 1443379672 246157 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Hppavilion1/Hedwig Notta14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44438&oldid=44437 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+17) 10Corrected link
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< 1443379869 847304 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Hppavilion1/Amathnea14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=44439 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+370) 10Created page. Needs to be filled. Anyone feel like making up some medical bullshit?
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< 1443379986 738941 :Deewiant!~deewiant@de1.ut.deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe setting RLIMIT_AS conservatively and then comparing that to the available memory when malloc fails would get you somewhere
< 1443380035 858274 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Hppavilion1/Amathnea14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44440&oldid=44439 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+213) 10Prevention
< 1443380041 879350 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, hm
< 1443380055 241303 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, This bug might have to wait for later
< 1443380074 573305 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Hppavilion1/Amathnea14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44441&oldid=44440 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+40) 10Fixed a link
< 1443380092 653841 :h0rsep0wer!~h0rsep0we@unaffiliated/h0rsep0wer PART :#esoteric
< 1443380121 435878 :Deewiant!~deewiant@de1.ut.deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing's a complete solution though, you can always get SIGKILLed even if you're not mallocing at the time
< 1443380162 553531 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1443380176 447188 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds
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< 1443380219 535388 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, well obviously, but the bug is that the program ends up with a corrupt crash and crashes with SIGSEGV
< 1443380228 98406 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it is not the OOM killer doing it
< 1443380231 925741 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Hppavilion1/Hedwig Notta14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44442&oldid=44438 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+25) 10Prepared for a new template
< 1443380317 941880 :Deewiant!~deewiant@de1.ut.deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just musing about the memory allocation problem
< 1443380350 791034 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Hppavilion1/Amathnea14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44443&oldid=44441 5* 0382.40.165.129 5* (+120) 10/* Signs and Symptoms */  (You asked...)
< 1443380406 162630 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah
< 1443380444 14548 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoever 82.40.165.129 is amazing
< 1443380452 567246 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ds01-214-177.dynamic.mtsallstream.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443380574 927100 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Template:Fictional History of Esolangs14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=44444 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+484) 10Created Template (I'm so sorry)
< 1443380596 371877 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ ../../../build/cfunge -S second_63
< 1443380596 555581 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :*** glibc detected *** ../../../build/cfunge: munmap_chunk(): invalid pointer: 0x0000000001306ef0 ***
< 1443380599 537106 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is interesting too
< 1443380617 525575 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Hppavilion1/Hedwig Notta14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44445&oldid=44442 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+10) 10Fixed(?) Template
< 1443380630 3938 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, my understanding of Windows is that there are two families: the old DOS-based family, and the new NT family. Is that right?
< 1443380632 636532 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, we have a massive stack again
< 1443380642 869777 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hppavilion[1]: It seems to be a small edit to add symptoms?
< 1443380647 460826 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Template:Fictional History of Esolangs14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44446&oldid=44444 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+3) 10Fixed Navbox by closing it (maybe)
< 1443380663 582050 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: Read the symptoms
< 1443380744 289232 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've added 先手方文弟本时明星映春昼時晩普晶与丘丙両丼井乞乱乳亀予争休交仁付仙代令以会位住体何作使例便共兵具典兼
< 1443380772 194481 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Template:Navbox14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=44447 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+25) 10Created Navbox (maybe) (can't believe we didn't already have this...)
< 1443380777 787885 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hppavilion[1]: Thanks for the compliment :) (try whois-ing me)
< 1443380784 445839 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh
< 1443380786 127305 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right
< 1443380786 894885 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD
< 1443380816 879028 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thank you. The `command joke was great xD
< 1443380827 783506 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: I'm sure it's a bit subjective. You *could* divide them in three groups (1.0, 2.0, 3.0, 3.1x | 95, 98, ME | NT 3.1, ...) depending on how closely you look at the internals. But it's perhaps fair to say the 9x/ME versions are still "DOS-based" up to some degree.
< 1443380842 11118 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :does Windows CE count?
< 1443380845 982062 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Do we have the necessary components for a Navbox?
< 1443380849 235633 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it was a clear and objective distinction.
< 1443380860 195081 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some versions use the DOS kernel or whatever, some use the NT kernel.
< 1443380876 284042 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that boundary is pretty uncontroversial.
< 1443380887 35187 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: win 95/98/ME still shipped with a DOS that could be booted by itself
< 1443380927 138861 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: 9x/ME were as DOS-based as 3.x were.
< 1443380930 55273 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Yes, but there's still quite a big difference between the 9x architecture and 3.1x. I mean, you don't group Linux distributions to different categories based on which bootloader they use.
< 1443380937 923312 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but afai the windows part didn't rely on the DOS part at all, except for the boot process)
< 1443380941 365339 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :afaik.
< 1443380957 213838 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :3.x didn't rely on DOS much itself either, at least when running on 386.
< 1443381005 918299 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :3.x booted into a protected mode kernel with, optionally, device drivers running there.
< 1443381025 101268 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Esolangs has ParserFunctions installed, Correct?
< 1443381040 236424 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Labyrinth14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44448&oldid=44083 5* 03Timwi 5* (+1) 10/* Stack Manipulation */
< 1443381064 988836 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(namely, 3.x supported the "VxD" device driver model, which continued to be used on 9x)
< 1443381073 741174 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I guess one should discuss the win16 (cooperative multi-tasking)/win32 (preemptive) split, and when win16 support was dropped
< 1443381090 932878 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Win16 support has not been dropped.
< 1443381100 617877 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Windows 8 on 32-bit x86 still runs Win16.
< 1443381116 788594 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :really, eww.
< 1443381124 858195 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Do you know why the #invoke template wouldn't be working on the wiki?
< 1443381148 171396 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: I'm not really any sort of MediaWiki expert.
< 1443381154 247596 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah
< 1443381155 833839 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Also, IIRC Win16 programs on 95 still ran basically fully cooperative multi-tasking, such that one could in fact halt the entire system.
< 1443381158 488169 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wasn't sure who was
< 1443381207 248512 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(on NT, they run in a virtual DOS machine, such that a misbehaving Win16 program can only impact the other Win16 programs)
< 1443381212 267712 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possily no-one is.
< 1443381306 912692 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, 9x's interaction with DOS certainly was not just as a bootloader...
< 1443381319 81705 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, according to what I can find, #invoke (which I need for the Navbox template) is included in ParserFunctions, but for some reason it isn't working.
< 1443381320 80751 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It hooked DOS heavily such that any DOS drivers would still "just work". :)
< 1443381326 371035 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it isn't mentioned on the mediawiki article
< 1443381326 980205 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep. and Microsoft would support Win16 and DOS programs out of box forever, if it weren't for AMD to tell them to suck it up and make their cpus refuse to do v86 mode in 64 bit OS, and Intel followed that. So now you need an external emulator software which isn't shipped with Windows.
< 1443381349 274802 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But there's no point running windows for that, I just run those old DOS games emulated on Linux.
< 1443381366 45646 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Frankly there's no *good* reason for them to not still support Win16, other than them deciding it wasn't worth the effort.
< 1443381382 844283 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Win16 programs run just fine in 16-bit protected mode inside long mode.
< 1443381410 361823 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: yeah, but the programs that actually matter to customers aren't the Win16 programs, but the actual real mode DOS programs.
< 1443381451 973421 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eg. my father is working with old hardware which has to be managed through some very old legacy DOS program. 
< 1443381452 987682 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And there's no good reason they couldn't have resurrected the VDM implementation used on earlier non-x86 NT.
< 1443381469 990 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :People can still just run an emulator software. 
< 1443381470 603185 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(non-x86 NT shipped with a VDM which actually did emulate the 8086.)
< 1443381483 956091 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But presumably it wasn't worth it to MS.
< 1443381501 930064 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe the only reason the VDM still works on x86 Windows is because it hasn't broken yet.
< 1443381540 908971 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443381542 172130 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :DOSemu certainly eliminates a lot of the interest.
< 1443381544 997506 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dammit, internet.
< 1443381552 120049 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to make a MediaWiki-like Social Network Software.
< 1443381556 347337 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :itym dosbox
< 1443381564 752673 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Yes, that.
< 1443381580 114401 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically, the MediaWiki of Facebooks
< 1443381585 273450 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Those crazy old DOS programs will still be there a hundred years in the future when digital cameras and mobile phones finally start to realize that they should stop using FAT on the inserted SD cards because they can't store mtimes after 2097 or whatever date it is
< 1443381619 904736 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does anyone feel like participating in that's development?
< 1443381622 806869 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't foresee FAT surviving much longer than the patent expiration on exFAT.
< 1443381690 658384 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: um, what's this exFAT you're talking about?
< 1443381697 938290 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1443381707 127789 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: It's the end of 2107 -- 7 bits from 1980.
< 1443381715 839734 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[2]: in what way would it be MediaWiki-like?
< 1443381718 877361 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: thanks
< 1443381727 968042 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :exFAT is Microsoft's proposed FAT replacement, which is currently used on SD cards of larger than 32 GiB.
< 1443381733 515983 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in localtime, damn it. so useful.)
< 1443381738 745694 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Open source, extensible, you could just download it and run it yourself, etc.
< 1443381746 456087 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Don't forget the 2-second resolution.
< 1443381758 365301 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kind of sounds like Diaspora.
< 1443381780 24628 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Was that directed at me or at the other conversation?
< 1443381785 332640 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[2]: you.
< 1443381790 262511 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah
< 1443381790 942140 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: ah, I haven't heared of that. does that support UTC dates, and dates after the FAT coepoch?
< 1443381794 368416 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll figure out what that is
< 1443381822 363773 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Ah. Not quite.
< 1443381822 699302 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh for fucks sake, it does not support dates after the FAT epoch.
< 1443381832 358864 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does, however, support UTC timestamps.
< 1443381843 425755 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: well, that matters a bit less. casual users don't generally set the clock on the camera accurately anyway, and dedicated users like me just read the centisecond precision timestamp from the EXIF info in the file content itself.
< 1443381869 813307 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Diaspora appears to be a distributed network; one network altogether, but run on different servers. THIS would be like MediaWiki in that you could set it up on your own server for you own usage
< 1443381885 217217 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The jerks that be ought to just support UDF.
< 1443381891 684665 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example, one could create a social network solely for people in a certain state/province/etc.
< 1443381912 20158 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or an Esolangs social network (though that's kind of what we have IRC for)
< 1443381942 76432 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just a hypothetical idea that would be used to fill the gaping hole in my heart and distract me from the fact that someday this will all be gone
< 1443381950 856406 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD
< 1443381988 12816 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :um how is that a valid xD?
< 1443382001 350004 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah
< 1443382041 943602 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Channels with multiple concurrent conversations are confusing
< 1443382057 704467 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no clue what \oren\ is questioning the validity and/or masculinity of
< 1443382100 705606 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net NICK :hppavilion[1]
< 1443382139 327008 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: so it kind of sounds like you're suggesting "like Diaspora, except it's impossible to link servers together"?
< 1443382155 92604 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: There'd be a plugin for that xD
< 1443382167 432554 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like Diaspora, then?
< 1443382169 93807 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Again, it's mostly just a temporary solution to crushing boredom
< 1443382184 377514 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what ever happened to Virgolang...
< 1443382190 369567 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you're saying you want your servers to be relatively independent and isolated or whatever.
< 1443382217 488007 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds like FidoNet, kinda.
< 1443382239 760271 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or that other thing that I forget the name of.
< 1443382268 895578 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want it to be like MediaWiki: Something a person can download and launch to have their own social network up and running in half an hour
< 1443382277 214316 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that can be HIGHLY customized
< 1443382353 223825 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :In any case, in my experience, it's very difficult to find people to contribute to your open-source project before you've started writing it.
< 1443382437 199000 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you manage to find someone who has exactly the same vision for the project as you, they're likely to work with you, at least for a couple weeks or whatever.
< 1443382449 723563 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Of course, of course.
< 1443382735 326795 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443382983 351199 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :NEXT PROJECT: This is one I'm doing myself because it's for school, but I'd like to put it out there in case anyone has any ideas
< 1443382992 200010 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :An Evolution Simulator
< 1443383015 212490 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It takes place in a small, closed-off ecosystem full of creatures. They change over time.
< 1443383264 986900 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Viola`. I get a good grade.
< 1443383402 374742 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like evolution simulators, one of my favorite games is Creatures 3.
< 1443383497 533989 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Creatures tend to reproduce a bit slowly to be a great evolution simulator
< 1443383502 207297 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I do love C3/DS
< 1443383527 852332 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sort of surprised to see another Creatures person here
< 1443383546 100945 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@86.89.119.147 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1443383604 813456 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: what why? this channel has all kinds of strange people.
< 1443383626 953347 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't think Creatures was that popular
< 1443383643 531539 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even though I'm a part of the community
< 1443383646 342808 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :… including people who play unpopular games
< 1443383719 831161 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have not played creatures
< 1443383725 129659 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover NICK :Phantom_Hoover
< 1443383791 386707 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you are not currently reading 'the traitor baru cormorant' by seth dickinson i recommend you do so asap
< 1443383921 399317 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now that I consider it, it would be more of an ecosystem simulator than an evolution simulator, though I may still add evolutionary features
< 1443384281 577859 :aretecode!~aretecode@50.23.131.206-static.reverse.softlayer.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1443384370 985475 :heddwch!heddwch@76.8.3.189 NICK :HEDDWCH
< 1443384378 950761 :HEDDWCH!heddwch@76.8.3.189 NICK :heddwch
< 1443384997 544813 :heddwch!heddwch@76.8.3.189 NICK :OPOW
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< 1443385967 161209 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something I'd like in an environment/evolution simulator is plants that evolve along with animals.
< 1443385997 643768 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That and a way for organisms to signal each other so ac to actually form colonies.
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< 1443386108 262861 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Viruses also play a big part in evolution, and most plants are symbiotic with some sort of fungus.
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< 1443386771 294892 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: I'm planning to make a whole line of ecological simulators, just for fun. I'll probably add parasites and viri in later installments
< 1443387194 263079 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Are you symbiotic with a plant, by any chance? 
< 1443387194 516281 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: they still don't seem to buy into the monolith engine was just not really harder than any other way
< 1443387210 391750 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: So you would be, but they're just not having it? 
< 1443387210 612130 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: re style sheets, i've always believed that.
< 1443387389 777003 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: I don't think CSS is a matter of belief, really.
< 1443387389 960428 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: at what point does the bytecode deal with??? fnord
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< 1443388612 126667 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: try this: I believe CSS 3 transitions are a mistake.
< 1443388790 391644 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess. But that's more of an opinion-belief. I was thinking of a faith-belief.
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< 1443390119 679143 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: hmm.
< 1443390131 43195 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's a simple idea.
< 1443390141 755546 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Listening
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< 1443390200 3601 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are organisms. Every organism is constantly growing a little bit.
< 1443390200 187159 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :When a large organism is next to the small organism, the large one eats the small one, destroying the small one and adding its size to its own size.
< 1443390200 187219 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :So if a size-20 organism eats a size-3 organism, it becomes a size-23 organism.
< 1443390200 187243 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Once an organism gets sufficiently big, it splits into two organisms of equal size.
< 1443390261 700579 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :(unrelated: local time as of this second is 14:44:21)
< 1443390282 731143 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/14/17/
< 1443390306 102055 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's pretty much my entire idea.
< 1443390308 608886 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make of it what you will.
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< 1443390348 649972 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, the timestamps for the logs at http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ are about 20 seconds ahead.
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< 1443391608 952082 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"From: IEEE Signal Processing Society"  "Subject: DEADLINE EXTENDED: ICASSP 2021 CALL FOR PROPOSALS DUE 12 OCT 2015"  ...  "Icedove thinks this message is a scam."
< 1443391624 248178 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brutal, but honest.
< 1443391641 768557 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :most conferences don't have deadlines six years before the conference itself
< 1443391651 449934 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a call for proposal, not a call for papers.
< 1443391661 158519 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those tend to be quite early. Although six years is still a bit extreme.
< 1443391681 630083 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still, it's a big conference, you can't organize one just like that.
< 1443391746 484050 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(By a proposal they mean a bid to host it -- including venues, budgets, people, all that stuff.)
< 1443391840 970697 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Admittedly, the email is very heuristically-scammy too: there's a link with the link text "http://www.signalprocessingsociety.org/[...]" but the actual href is to "http://signalprocessingsociety.us4.list-manage.com/track/click?[...]". I think that's one of the things the scam filter looks for.
< 1443391861 181840 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Based on the fact that the warning says "the links in the message may be trying to impersonate web pages you want to visit".
< 1443391964 982562 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm also not quite sure why they spam the call-for-proposals to the same mailing lists they send call-for-papers, it's not like a random researcher is going to be "hey, that's a good idea, I'll host a 2000-person conference in my back yard".
< 1443391987 952885 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the other hand, the Finnish national electricity grid operator has TV ads too, so what do I know.
< 1443392065 506832 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Isn't that agar.io?
< 1443392214 973994 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], in agar.io you voluntarily split, and can send off small particles. And also the people are 4channers it seems
< 1443392225 190155 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :True, true
< 1443392262 459804 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's one thing that some people call themselves "nazi", it's something else entirely when it turns out that the dev added skins that are based on the name you select, and added one for "nazi"
< 1443392349 92913 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, what?
< 1443392360 68139 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what game is this?
< 1443392368 266093 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :agar.io
< 1443392380 56264 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the dev eventually removed the nazi skin
< 1443392523 40824 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :holy crap
< 1443392532 866385 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :woww what a dumbass
< 1443392567 946700 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think the dev is literally a nazi, just a 4channer. There was also an ISIS skin and other hateful skins
< 1443392602 891405 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see.  like I said, a dumbass
< 1443392643 563821 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lets see what I get
< 1443392826 344029 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is a really boring game
< 1443392983 544118 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually really like the gameplay
< 1443393074 312531 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also don't like CSS 3 transitions and want to disable them in the client if possible. I have disabled some individual one but I want to disable entirely, to be able to write a user CSS code that overrides what commands in a CSS code do
< 1443393275 777672 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Do you also enjoy watching mold slowly grow on pieces of bread?
< 1443393322 154170 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's ok if you do
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< 1443393348 756888 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloblurelIse
< 1443393399 692609 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: that would be nice. I'd like to disable line-height in CSS.
< 1443393437 907183 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\, I like growing big enough to be a major player on a server
< 1443393443 963852 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A force to be reckoned with
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< 1443393561 921301 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't there some prototype browser that's written in Node.js
< 1443393583 874953 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you use that, then presumably you can override virtually anything in user code
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< 1443394041 388674 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also would like to change what some CSS commands do
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< 1443394366 833860 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: you're aware of malloc overcommit, right?
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< 1443394393 851205 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although what's going on there isn't explainable like that
< 1443394407 291865 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, is it integer overflow in the allocator? (especially if you use calloc())
< 1443394417 894106 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the size to allocate might be overflowing over the size of your int
< 1443394429 157433 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :making the allocated memory small
< 1443394438 505469 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then your loop to zero it is trying to zero a lot more memory than you allocated
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< 1443395090 441312 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: but if it's overflowing shouldn't the size of the zeroed part also overflow?
< 1443395109 683560 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: it depends on how the loops are written
< 1443395114 862065 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the allocation is measured in bytes
< 1443395132 754856 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas a zeroing loop is often measured in whatever units you're working in (e.g. Funge cells), which is a smaller number and thus might not overflow
< 1443395181 931879 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in particular, Vorpal quoted a value of "around 2^62 funge cells", which makes it seem quite likely that that's more than 2^64 bytes but that a loop that processed them a cell at a time wouldn't overflow
< 1443395199 189388 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(at least, not integer overflow; it would buffer overflow instead)
< 1443395251 541106 :Denis_40!4f19b87d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.25.184.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi!
< 1443395261 985886 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1443395280 729930 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, an overflow-based esolang could be interesting, but not my style really
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< 1443395284 991849 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I like things to be conceptually bignums
< 1443395298 291449 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that said, maybe I should make more esolangs that aren't my style
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< 1443396231 936114 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e steno involves up to 20 simultaneous keys.
< 1443396277 756739 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think we could handle chording utf-16
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< 1443396760 990387 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Zzo38/Programming languages with unusual features14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44449&oldid=44421 5* 03Zzo38 5* (+1157) 10
< 1443397019 644666 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, Icedove. You said the ICASSP call for proposals was a scam, but you think this SciencePG ("an independent international publisher of 100+ open accesses -- experiencing rapid growth and gaining widespread attention" offering great act-now discounts on article processing costs) call for "journal" submissions is completely legit.
< 1443397331 722520 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in 30 min the lunar eclipse will begin
< 1443397396 40604 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: they want you to submit articles for journals? or just submit them the whole journal?
< 1443397480 956491 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately it won't be visible here until sunset.
< 1443397622 988571 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: you should use alpine
< 1443397772 154857 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Articles, I think, although one of the various blog posts on the subject describes someone replying to point out that their field is something SciencePG has no journal for, to which they got an answer suggesting they could start one and make the person the Editor-in-Chief.
< 1443397792 911076 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: I don't see why.
< 1443397822 474806 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is a console program and has no spam filter
< 1443397847 771154 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :console programs are better. spam filters are stupid
< 1443397861 951221 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not a spam filter, it's a scam filter.
< 1443397907 817317 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I've been alternating between Icedove and mutt with a frequency of about 3e-8 hertz, and I don't see why I'd pick a pine clone over mutt.
< 1443397914 217402 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, pine clone, pine cone.
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< 1443397965 1213 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mutt is ok too
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< 1443398593 835077 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: "microhertz" is something of a joke, and that was very close to using nanohertz
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< 1443399023 489224 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Stochastic microhertz gravitational radiation from stellar convection", says arXiv.
< 1443399082 287161 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The microhertz was unit of frequency measurement that saw use in the Galactic Empire", says Wookieepedia, but does not elaborate, sadly.
< 1443399235 247825 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't seem to have that many serious uses, indeed.
< 1443399285 289605 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some references to "microhertz resolution", which is less interesting.
< 1443399944 150242 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would like to see OOBF
< 1443399951 390785 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :THAT would be an acceptable BF derivative
< 1443399961 305455 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why?
< 1443399975 483865 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you may like verbosefuck
< 1443400008 299762 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's basically bf that looks like java
< 1443400090 937310 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: That's amazing, but not OO
< 1443400108 407073 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OOBF would be cool because, well, BF is tapey. Where would you put Objects?
< 1443400110 538305 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, oo sucks onyway
< 1443400126 361935 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the tape?
< 1443400133 714282 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you haven't already, you might want to look at Glass. Not that it's a BF derivative at all.
< 1443400139 312043 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's very OO.
< 1443400176 970186 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like Glass; I even wrote something in it, although I can't remember what it was or where I put it or if I finished it.
< 1443400612 945512 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's also one language I've been trying to track down, which I think was OO-ish, and very anthropomorphic conventions. You had different job titles as class names, and named instances after matching famous people.
< 1443400659 669302 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: Posthon would be an interesting language.
< 1443400673 973169 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, why did I direct that at myname specifically? xD
< 1443400951 221694 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: Does OO still suck if it's not forced? e.g. in Python?
< 1443401006 625439 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dislike python wether or not oo is used there
< 1443401010 471292 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's ORK. I must have been thinking about ORK.
< 1443401099 683668 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, I'm not sure if it even has a convention for using famous people names for the people, maybe I just came up with that. Certainly the examples don't seem to do that.
< 1443401144 556307 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're a bad person, myname. Shame on you. Shame.
< 1443401166 53972 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why so?
< 1443401166 785918 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, do you dislike OO even if it's optional in a language like ?
< 1443401183 473435 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I think what I wrote was a CRC calculator, of all the things.
< 1443401198 187078 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/Lihc   I wonder if it even works.
< 1443401200 188667 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :python has this weird "there is only one way to do it" thing. that just sucks
< 1443401225 490522 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: that depends very heavily on the problem i am trying to takle
< 1443401236 711832 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: There should be one, and preferably /only/ one, obvious way to do it
< 1443401247 138137 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i cannot think of anything that needs it or would benefit from it
< 1443401251 686656 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the rule in python. I will admit it's not the best, but it's still a good language
< 1443401273 773020 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: I find OO makes GUIs look much nicer.
< 1443401296 504623 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :these are two completely different things
< 1443401318 602402 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lunar eclipse tonight aaaaaaaa
< 1443401329 284768 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean the code for GUIs, that is xD
< 1443401390 65698 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't do guis
< 1443401400 614931 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Gasp*
< 1443401409 801939 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD
< 1443401417 950316 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like making GUIs. It's fun.
< 1443401435 975802 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :guis are just annoying to use via ssh
< 1443401448 925682 :Denis_40!4f19b87d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.25.184.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i cannot draw even a dick, let alone creating gui
< 1443401491 947433 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh
< 1443401501 171805 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You do everything via SSH, don't you.
< 1443401503 586238 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1443401505 723722 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forgot about that xD
< 1443401517 963861 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443401520 25036 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Denis_40: GUIs are easier than dick drawing
< 1443401540 172864 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at the moment i do everything either via ssh or some android app
< 1443401554 875457 :Denis_40!4f19b87d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.25.184.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i cannot take measures
< 1443401565 831049 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haven't touched an x86 in months
< 1443401566 903293 :Denis_40!4f19b87d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.25.184.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i create real monsters
< 1443401597 439896 :Denis_40!4f19b87d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.25.184.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname, buy an x86 tablet, let arm alone :)
< 1443401600 242683 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why, might I ask, do you do everything over SSH?
< 1443401607 328861 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Denis_40: nah
< 1443401621 402115 :Denis_40!4f19b87d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.25.184.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you create such guis in an easy way?
< 1443401622 174804 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i tried making arch work on my arm tablrt
< 1443401631 310155 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Denis_40: What language do you use?
< 1443401632 693093 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't work like i wanted it to
< 1443401645 699473 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: how else?
< 1443401645 888382 :Denis_40!4f19b87d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.25.184.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i can use c, or c++
< 1443401667 647122 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Denis_40: learn rust and drop c++ before it's too late
< 1443401703 71639 :Denis_40!4f19b87d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.25.184.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's already too late: I am going to start university, and for 2 years C++ will be the only language i'll use
< 1443401733 407398 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like a crappy university. at least if you study cs
< 1443401751 885873 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Denis_40: Ah. I'm not sure how to do GUI with C or C++ (though I've heard about wxwidgets; someone liked it enough to port it to Python), Rust might be a good idea like myname said, but I personally prefer Python (though you can't really sell python applications unless you're giving it to a company)
< 1443401791 185177 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Denis_40: It's a bad idea to ONLY use one language for years. You can do just C++ for assignments, but you should DEFINITELY know other languages
< 1443401797 410522 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: well, since qt is written in c++, using qt in c++ should be fairly easy
< 1443401825 750974 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could learn Haskell, possibly. Haskell is pretty good AND is intuitive for GUIs, I've heard
< 1443401840 790998 :Denis_40!4f19b87d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.25.184.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i can use php, js css, scss and less, but I am not going to build guis with that
< 1443401864 180630 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Denis_40: go learn you some haskell for great good
< 1443401881 456626 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not for the sake of building guis
< 1443401890 498032 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that can be painful
< 1443401892 359830 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Technically, all you /do/ with PHP, JS, CSS, SCSS, and LESS is make GUIs, or more accurately stylize GUIs
< 1443401900 253596 :Denis_40!4f19b87d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.25.184.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahahahah after i have completed my actual book
< 1443401903 654113 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but for the sake of learning a different way to think abouut problems
< 1443401907 363500 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :GUI building is fun!
< 1443401915 476538 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: People use PHP for more than web.
< 1443401918 411709 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Denis_40: I agree with myname. Do Haskell
< 1443401932 113066 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And JavaScript, too.
< 1443401936 971300 :Denis_40!4f19b87d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.25.184.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok.... I'll give it a try!
< 1443401945 764216 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Even more so, possibly.)
< 1443401967 445904 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Why? I mean, I've looked at PHP code AND I read a website on it (I just put that for laughs). It's worse than Perl.
< 1443401977 169019 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: Who knows, but they do.
< 1443401990 740365 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: the uglier the language the more people try to use it where it's misplaced
< 1443401996 356772 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :qw( a b c d ) == ("a", "b", "c", "d")
< 1443402002 768697 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where ("a", "b", "c", "d") is a list.
< 1443402017 225582 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's perl, not PHP
< 1443402034 293320 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :PHP's array() is slightly better. But only barely.
< 1443402036 429868 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: while a "list" in perl is something very weird
< 1443402047 699022 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: Array, I mean
< 1443402058 925067 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@rray
< 1443402059 108756 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list
< 1443402063 228265 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got a tool to download videos from the Finnish national broadcasting company's website, and it calls https://github.com/K-S-V/Scripts/blob/master/AdobeHDS.php to handle Adobe HDS streaming stuff. You need to install the command-line PHP tool for it.
< 1443402066 295408 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, right. Lambdabot.
< 1443402080 764359 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :EW!
< 1443402084 763559 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@array
< 1443402084 949016 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll crush ye barnacles!
< 1443402100 874982 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have to go eat dinner
< 1443402120 784863 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: https://youtu.be/gweDBQ-9LuQ
< 1443402595 40417 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can see some of Earth's shadow on the surface of the Moon
< 1443402886 604587 :Denis_40!4f19b87d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.25.184.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, php is horrible.
< 1443402909 817176 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as is c++
< 1443402932 293267 :Denis_40!4f19b87d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.25.184.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it is ever worse, having variables that changes type is the worst thing you will ever have
< 1443402951 374569 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why so?
< 1443402987 178701 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :having objects being null is way more annoying
< 1443403001 979172 :Denis_40!4f19b87d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.25.184.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :should I check the type of this variable? damn, what should I pass to this function, that variable..... what type is it? 
< 1443403014 926006 :Denis_40!4f19b87d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.25.184.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it null?
< 1443403040 799501 :Denis_40!4f19b87d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.25.184.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why null is equal to 0 despite the fact they are two different things?
< 1443403052 540625 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :php doesn't care what type it is. most of the time, every type is okay
< 1443403085 342857 :Denis_40!4f19b87d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.25.184.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is not a good thing
< 1443403089 907279 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are some horrible problems that arise from people not being able to handle that, indeed
< 1443403140 901960 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if you know what you are doing you can work perfectly fine with it without noticable overhead
< 1443403149 182564 :Denis_40!4f19b87d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.25.184.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pick one type and it will be ok is bad. Because you aren't actually thinking at what you are doing
< 1443403164 556493 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so?
< 1443403178 436232 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't have to
< 1443403209 931572 :Denis_40!4f19b87d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.25.184.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean... i can use integer or double... "what should I use" is not a question I am going to ask myself
< 1443403221 332165 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :the great thing is that its horribleness isn't down to one architectural problem that you can nerd out over
< 1443403222 834664 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly
< 1443403257 83581 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is "i don't have to care about useless casting stuff" a bad thing?
< 1443403260 525840 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :every part of php is full of hilarious, horrifying fuckups; you can only truly hate it holistically
< 1443403271 609147 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: indeed
< 1443403272 732949 :Denis_40!4f19b87d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.25.184.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because "everything just works most of the times"
< 1443403274 613814 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname, ah but you do have to care about useless casting
< 1443403277 8884 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :php IS a bad language
< 1443403291 592299 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it is not because of its weak tyoe system
< 1443403297 140135 :Denis_40!4f19b87d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.25.184.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :when it DOES NOT work
< 1443403307 356607 :Denis_40!4f19b87d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.25.184.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, good luck
< 1443403325 550430 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Denis_40: working with that is way easier than you might think
< 1443403334 407080 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just have to know what you are doing
< 1443403336 797645 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :PHP: because T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM
< 1443403351 866012 :Denis_40!4f19b87d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.25.184.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/NeroReflex/Gishiki
< 1443403395 321659 :Denis_40!4f19b87d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.25.184.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hilariously.... knowing what you are doing is not going to be a good thing
< 1443403407 5704 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh?
< 1443403427 871931 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :StringFUck
< 1443403429 623381 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in php you have to know what you are doing in like 1% of the code that most people never even do
< 1443403435 831613 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/U/u/u
< 1443403442 465795 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in c++ you have to know what you are doing every single.line
< 1443403446 775797 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or would it be s/U/u/U?
< 1443403461 909146 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: watch the video i linked you to
< 1443403467 113422 :Denis_40!4f19b87d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.25.184.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :php is a stupid language, where everything is an array and OOP doesn't exists
< 1443403467 403568 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am
< 1443403484 203178 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Denis_40: that is plain wrong
< 1443403494 564678 :Denis_40!4f19b87d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.25.184.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that link is a framework I wrote on php
< 1443403504 833501 :Denis_40!4f19b87d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.25.184.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not talking about you can use classes
< 1443403518 459185 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: I'll keep the tab open and close it in a month
< 1443403523 568542 :Denis_40!4f19b87d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.25.184.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am talking about memory is managed as an array
< 1443403544 916317 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Denis_40: Is it an /associative/ array?
< 1443403553 498403 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I would love that
< 1443403557 836017 :Denis_40!4f19b87d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.25.184.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope
< 1443403558 456687 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: it's just a brief introduction to perl lists
< 1443403558 953914 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION likes dictionaries
< 1443403561 8771 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :NUUUUUUUUUU
< 1443403567 494548 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: Ah. I will
< 1443403573 134989 :Denis_40!4f19b87d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.25.184.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is a fucking c-style array
< 1443403576 716383 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just have something to do in 5 minutes
< 1443403579 867775 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh... oh god
< 1443403584 642890 :Denis_40!4f19b87d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.25.184.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :moved in memory every fucked instruction
< 1443403590 55143 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, there's a limit on how large it can be?
< 1443403598 101947 :Denis_40!4f19b87d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.25.184.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1443403607 939013 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoever made that is going to hell.
< 1443403608 790073 :Denis_40!4f19b87d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.25.184.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can find the limit in the php.ini
< 1443403617 944441 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For not making their language TC, even in theory.
< 1443403628 460982 :Denis_40!4f19b87d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.25.184.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the limit is a per-call-limit
< 1443403629 541867 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], oh hush
< 1443403646 73118 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover?
< 1443403663 454109 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :for one thing i'm sure php would allow for unbounded integers
< 1443403678 702652 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :using bc, yeah
< 1443403706 879222 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't mean like that, i mean that it'd be 'in spec' to make normal ints unbounded
< 1443403720 434387 :Denis_40!4f19b87d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.25.184.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so... you can have yours scripts to occupy max 1GB ram, but that GB is intended per call
< 1443403739 113764 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ew?
< 1443403745 643340 :Denis_40!4f19b87d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.25.184.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean
< 1443403753 881578 :Denis_40!4f19b87d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.25.184.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are running PHP in a server
< 1443403754 588391 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're getting into low level stuff I'm still learning now
< 1443403757 555703 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :(c is a conspicuous exception to this because you have sizeof and a bounded char width)
< 1443403790 484391 :Denis_40!4f19b87d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.25.184.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can only use the resources associated with that given CPU
< 1443403807 192276 :Denis_40!4f19b87d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.25.184.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you fucking kidding me? And if I need more?
< 1443403828 215170 :Denis_40!4f19b87d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.25.184.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :facebook say: i'll rewrite php
< 1443403835 331172 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wooooow
< 1443403842 791431 :Denis_40!4f19b87d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.25.184.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :twitter say: use ruby
< 1443403853 142967 :Denis_40!4f19b87d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.25.184.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :amazon say: use java
< 1443403859 10429 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :WSN say: I have no clue what I'm doing someone help me
< 1443403867 361508 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Walrus Social Network, my social network)
< 1443403868 323315 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Google say: use C++, Java, Go, and Python.
< 1443403872 315940 :Denis_40!4f19b87d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.25.184.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hhvm.com/
< 1443403877 830622 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ruby as a language is neat. the universe around it sucks pretty hard, though
< 1443403906 418306 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've heard
< 1443403915 528018 :Denis_40!4f19b87d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.25.184.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have written a social network that is not working (because of server loads)
< 1443403939 771589 :Denis_40!4f19b87d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.25.184.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so... maybe I should do a code review and re-think about it?
< 1443403946 305955 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think "everything is an array and OOP doesn't exists" is kind of (but not quite) true for PHP 4
< 1443403958 25280 :Denis_40!4f19b87d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.25.184.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah, it is better spending 12342454361641523412521451345 dollars rewriting php
< 1443403972 349598 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzhello38!
< 1443403980 901696 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use different programming language such as C
< 1443403987 694763 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or use JavaScript
< 1443403995 420831 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Both are better than PHP
< 1443404023 794002 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some libraries require PHP though
< 1443404030 605223 :Denis_40!4f19b87d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.25.184.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, I think there are a very limited number of programming language worst than php
< 1443404032 259446 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Denis_40: Oh. You're talking about facebook
< 1443404040 187700 :Denis_40!4f19b87d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.25.184.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yea
< 1443404042 359495 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Denis_40: Perl is certainly a competitor.
< 1443404055 85137 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought you'd ACTUALLY made a social network xD
< 1443404075 759144 :Denis_40!4f19b87d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.25.184.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmmmm, no sorry :')
< 1443404092 430278 :Denis_40!4f19b87d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.25.184.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was hilarious about mark zucchina
< 1443404093 395557 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1443404098 810806 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could also try to write it in SQL, it might also be better
< 1443404116 603307 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lulz
< 1443404130 663152 :Denis_40!4f19b87d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.25.184.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will create an ftp social network
< 1443404141 275759 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to make a SN in BF xD
< 1443404141 464210 :Denis_40!4f19b87d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.25.184.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) :)
< 1443404154 699405 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :FTP is not a programming language; you will still need to use some programming language
< 1443404167 173221 :Denis_40!4f19b87d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.25.184.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah
< 1443404175 635325 :Denis_40!4f19b87d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.25.184.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is the good part
< 1443404187 840766 :Denis_40!4f19b87d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.25.184.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just...... use that ftp
< 1443404199 945010 :Denis_40!4f19b87d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.25.184.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it so much different from facebook?
< 1443404205 696283 :Denis_40!4f19b87d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.25.184.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1443404210 767206 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Denis_40 has a point
< 1443404210 951584 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can use FTP, but you should need a program too
< 1443404220 923406 :jix_!~jix@jixco.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443404225 722806 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The computer it won't do without the program
< 1443404228 969302 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Does an HTML directory of FTP servers count?
< 1443404242 861629 :Denis_40!4f19b87d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.25.184.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't need a program, who want to use it need a program
< 1443404259 572269 :Denis_40!4f19b87d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.25.184.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, as with facebook, you are free to use the client you want
< 1443404271 669472 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Denis_40: No you do, there need server program and client program, like with any internet protocol
< 1443404277 873130 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you do need a program.
< 1443404281 221918 :Denis_40!4f19b87d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.25.184.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh sure
< 1443404316 906791 :Denis_40!4f19b87d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.25.184.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but..... well... I have not decided what program will I use
< 1443404320 755847 :Lymee!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443404331 603595 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds
< 1443404343 104332 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds
< 1443404343 685951 :jix!~jix@jixco.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds
< 1443404350 962322 :Denis_40!4f19b87d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.25.184.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if I should rolling one out
< 1443404350 962439 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :XAMPP lulz
< 1443404351 157805 :Denis_40!4f19b87d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.25.184.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO.
< 1443404358 740026 :Lymee!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe NICK :Lymia
< 1443404358 976740 :Denis_40!4f19b87d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.25.184.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::')
< 1443404432 383422 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :use C
< 1443404448 123062 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can write anything in C
< 1443404491 55353 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :use assembly, you can write anything in assembly
< 1443404528 327068 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443404531 690489 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use Taneb
< 1443404538 42146 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can motivate Taneb to write anything
< 1443404558 145827 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :use the force, Luke!
< 1443404594 912065 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting fact: I have never seen any of the star wars movies
< 1443404595 96160 :Denis_40!4f19b87d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.25.184.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll use a pic
< 1443404599 82393 :sc00fy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1443404622 818502 :Denis_40!4f19b87d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.25.184.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't you want to use a pic?
< 1443404639 794172 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a pic would be good
< 1443404645 478009 :Denis_40!4f19b87d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.25.184.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :who doesn't love pic? they are so.....swetty <3
< 1443404677 766936 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should figure out a pic to help compute who is likely friends with who
< 1443404693 389512 :Denis_40!4f19b87d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.25.184.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what?
< 1443404718 669112 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for a social network, friend reccomends are important
< 1443404756 863346 :Denis_40!4f19b87d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.25.184.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait a moemt
< 1443404760 586028 :Denis_40!4f19b87d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.25.184.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :moment*
< 1443404768 498367 :Denis_40!4f19b87d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.25.184.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was talking about pic32
< 1443404917 916504 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…
< 1443404976 571038 :Denis_40!4f19b87d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.25.184.125 QUIT :Quit: Page closed
< 1443405082 202234 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1443405474 898441 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443405557 631360 :boilyphone!~androirc@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443405592 684310 :boilyphone!~androirc@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :MOOOOOOOON!
< 1443405606 542502 :boilyphone!~androirc@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@massages-loud
< 1443405606 729884 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera said 1m 1d 13h 58m 57s ago: yo
< 1443405684 829710 :boilyphone!~androirc@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: yo.
< 1443405979 226993 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :crap, its clWdE hEr in tRonu!
< 1443406071 448453 :boilyphone!~androirc@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clear night sky here in Montréal!
< 1443406095 865557 :boilyphone!~androirc@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar CYUL
< 1443406096 226077 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYUL 280200Z 17006KT 15SM FEW240 16/11 A3019 RMK CI1 CI TR SLP224
< 1443406364 197101 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443406655 335010 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1443406697 601109 :sc00fy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443406986 577382 :boilyphone!~androirc@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: METATARSIC CHICKEN
< 1443407020 799241 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443407196 909122 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Client Quit
< 1443407793 624135 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.0673% of \oren\ is going to hell #538926
< 1443408445 821958 :[1]blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443408475 930327 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Quit: 1 found in /dev/zero
< 1443408549 412165 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443408604 187194 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds
< 1443408604 576020 :[1]blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net NICK :blurelIse
< 1443408644 850238 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1443409526 953959 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Quit: 1 found in /dev/zero
< 1443411571 872390 :bender|!~benderx2@2404:e800:e61a:41d:4195:3e4b:bccf:90ba JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443411572 94987 :bender|!~benderx2@2404:e800:e61a:41d:4195:3e4b:bccf:90ba QUIT :Changing host
< 1443411572 95071 :bender|!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443411860 135694 :diginet_!~diginet@107.170.146.29 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1443411878 708450 :diginet!~diginet@107.170.146.29 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443412095 633312 :sc00fy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
< 1443412890 826349 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Zzo38/Programming languages with unusual features14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44450&oldid=44449 5* 03Zzo38 5* (+167) 10
< 1443412997 895968 :bender|!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 NICK :BENDER|
< 1443413071 988012 :BENDER|!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 NICK :bender|
< 1443413102 194644 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone design a program called Notepad--
< 1443413103 421370 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :STAT!
< 1443413185 307846 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443414576 735805 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443414685 215534 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn codu is down
< 1443414692 905707 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo hi
< 1443414693 537022 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1443414701 293113 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in parts
< 1443415951 291751 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :whee!
< 1443416067 701624 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoo
< 1443416131 522399 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION uses the DOM explorer to force the tunes.org logs to wrap
< 1443416701 115808 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Brainfuck14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44451&oldid=44430 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+2) 10The only thing that gives me a fit about your signatures is where you placed them.
< 1443416784 20201 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could you use Stylish extension to make the change permanent?
< 1443416837 215530 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in IE?
< 1443416845 830175 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IE has extensions, I think
< 1443416849 794733 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I doubt they have the same name
< 1443416866 851799 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :injected CSS/JS is one of the most obvious extensions there is though
< 1443416918 478178 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how it is done in IE, but I thought in newer versions it may be possible at least
< 1443416926 170889 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What version of IE is it anyways?
< 1443416940 545502 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :11
< 1443416984 80773 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, the logs still don't look that good.  the page content is still one big 
 (which admittedly made it easy to make it wrap)
< 1443416989 318355 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :See if there is the injected CSS/JS supporting then.
< 1443417005 425076 :bender|!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 NICK :bender
< 1443417038 154463 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i find it disturbing that the help button for the DOM explorer leads to a Microsoft Edge webpage.
< 1443417059 283123 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not only am i using IE, microsoft itself doesn't really want me to.
< 1443417112 440947 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then why do they make IE?
< 1443417158 8011 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, they want me to change to the brand new Edge, which i found horrible at first sight.
< 1443417158 649170 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know how good it is in a Dungeons&Dragons game to lose a class level (at least 5th) in exchange for two bonus feats and a few skills?
< 1443417253 421962 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: codu.org is down hth
< 1443417265 323881 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor also seems pretty down
< 1443417483 256037 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have decided to add a principle to hppavilion[1]ism
< 1443417491 129814 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Never name something after yourself"
< 1443417507 697343 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :good principle, especially with that nick hth
< 1443417517 265411 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD
< 1443417683 742706 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` culprits wisdom | tr ' ' '\n' | sort | uniq -c | sort -rn
< 1443417685 552772 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​    527 oerjan \     182 shachaf \     112 boily \      55 elliott \      50 Taneb \      43 int-e \      39 mroman \      38 GreyKnight \      32 mroman_ \      29 Phantom_Hoover \      28 tswett \      27 Roujo \      18 Bike \      17 ZombieCheney \      16 olsner \      16 Jafet \      16 FreeFull \      13 fizzie \      12
< 1443417688 210821 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` culprits quotes | tr ' ' '\n' | sort | uniq -c | sort -rn
< 1443417690 81056 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​    328 elliott \     321 oerjan \      75 kmc \      74 shachaf \      52 ais523 \      40 coppro \      26 monqy \      16 boily \      14 Taneb \      14 GreyKnight \      13 Phantom_Hoover \      11 shubshub \      11 quintopia \      11 Gregor \       9 fizzie \       8 mnoqy \       8 FireFly \       8 Fiora \       8 ell
< 1443417694 452962 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` culprits . | tr ' ' '\n' | sort | uniq -c | sort -rn
< 1443417697 142198 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​   1487 oerjan \     614 elliott \     536 shachaf \     193 boily \     179 Jafet \     177 GreyKnight \     165 kmc \     164 fizzie \     138 Roujo \     135 Taneb \     126 ais523 \     102 mroman_ \      99 int-e \      98 Bike \      94 nortti \      90 nooodl \      86 Phantom_Hoover \      68 tswett \      67 Sgeo \   
< 1443417710 507327 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` culprits bin | tr ' ' '\n' | sort | uniq -c | sort -rn
< 1443417712 378735 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​    287 oerjan \     176 shachaf \     110 Jafet \      97 elliott \      84 fizzie \      61 Roujo \      38 kmc \      37 nooodl \      35 nortti \      32 int-e \      30 tswett \      29 FireFly \      28 c00kiemon5ter \      26 mrhmouse \      26 ion \      25 boily \      25 b_jonas \      24 ais523 \      22 Taneb \    
< 1443417718 277104 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1443417741 749689 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :My name is Black, and if I called everything Black even things that are White, then you will not be able to tell the difference very well!
< 1443417744 882620 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there's a weird character in oerjan
< 1443417764 307302 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or at least, my client started hilighting me but ended before oerjan's n
< 1443417806 656506 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fancy
< 1443417822 504353 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: elliott has edited the quotes more than me?
< 1443417866 781219 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving.
< 1443417882 611216 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm surprised nitia isn't listed anywhere there.
< 1443417913 11256 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um it will have only one edit, surely
< 1443417930 339155 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and will be at the bottom.
< 1443418087 718182 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1443418096 696742 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :In retrospect that's a pretty silly thing to be surprised about.
< 1443418142 615531 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not clear what my thought process was there.
< 1443418192 59949 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nitia, nitia, where art thou, nitia
< 1443418275 733764 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, is that the one which actually says wherefore
< 1443418303 377448 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who's nitia?
< 1443418307 56459 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it also actualy says romeo hth
< 1443418309 288800 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :l
< 1443418318 575282 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: shocking
< 1443418332 869909 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :also there's no comma there
< 1443418336 835109 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`culprits wisdom/sgeo
< 1443418338 266586 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan elliott oerjan oerjan ais523 ais523 elliott FreeFull oerjan GreyKnight oerjan FreeFull shachaf shachaf nitia
< 1443418358 51133 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid shakespeare ruining everything
< 1443418393 64361 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Bike goes by Nitya sometimes.
< 1443418418 960286 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? nitia
< 1443418419 817758 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nitia is the inventor of all things. The BBC invented her.
< 1443418565 929538 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nitia isn't a thing
< 1443418572 590257 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My MC computer has a wopping...
< 1443418573 490833 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :EIGHT of a kilo of memory.
< 1443418580 614369 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what is BBC
< 1443418591 477547 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you know what it means, izabera.
< 1443418599 232719 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : /bow chicka bow wow/
< 1443418600 297128 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera, nitia is the inventory of the BBC
< 1443418608 150696 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*inventor
< 1443418613 305891 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh ok now everything makes sense
< 1443418641 254200 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :She is also the inventory of the BBC, which explains how she is the inventorn of all things.
< 1443418642 269127 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell int-e  \oren\: oh I see what happened, I had somehow conflated "conspicuous" and "suspicious" <-- itym "sufflated" hth
< 1443418642 475039 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1443418646 133019 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Going AFK
< 1443418672 939048 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? bbc
< 1443418673 981513 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The BBC is the BreadBox Corporation. Its inventions include, without limitation, Muppets and tiny elfs.
< 1443418697 706931 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn An inventory is a collection of inventions.
< 1443418698 726445 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :did she only invent things or also not things?
< 1443418710 573144 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? afk
< 1443418725 974574 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now what.
< 1443418741 506472 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar KAFK
< 1443418741 825677 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :KAFK 280515Z AUTO 18010KT 10SM CLR 18/17 A2994 RMK AO2 T01800166
< 1443418747 690288 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :did HackEgo deadlock or something
< 1443418750 892771 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo hi
< 1443418775 263298 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar TAF
< 1443418780 3696 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :BBC is a British television show, don't you know that????? It is the least bad television show in the world (approximately).
< 1443418782 936182 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait
< 1443418788 334548 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Back
< 1443418795 983717 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar LIMK
< 1443418796 506604 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :LIMK 280455Z 35008KT 9999 SCT040 11/11 Q1025 RMK BKN SCT060 VAL FOSCHIA VIS MIN 9999
< 1443418810 193846 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does that mean?
< 1443418842 318485 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what "VAL FOSCHIA VIS MIN 9999" means; I don't live in that country.
< 1443418849 626431 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do
< 1443418863 357636 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you must learn what it means.
< 1443418873 622423 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :foschia is fog, val is valley, 9999 is 9999
< 1443418889 52170 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's secret codes for the romans to reconquer the world.  fortunately they're very bad at it.
< 1443418966 294274 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :VIS MIN probably means "visibility minimum" or something like that
< 1443418975 653301 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar KOAK
< 1443418977 176654 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :KOAK 280453Z 32004KT 10SM FEW010 16/13 A2982 RMK AO2 SLP098 T01610128
< 1443418984 999921 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar ENVA
< 1443418985 582240 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :ENVA 280520Z 12004KT 050V180 1500E 9999 R09/P2000N R27/0450 VCFG FEW002 BKN031 08/08 Q1038 TEMPO 0400 FG BKN002 RMK WIND 670FT 16007KT
< 1443419012 23366 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :winter is a-coming
< 1443419041 989857 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the stuff after "RMK" differs by each country
< 1443419050 916535 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose the part zzo38 didn't understand is the part that was obvious to izabera 
< 1443419088 463775 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric : "Save the environment: use continuation passing style!"
< 1443419091 605382 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :err yes that was totally obvious
< 1443419095 374164 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes yes obvious
< 1443419101 771195 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"RMK simply means REMARKS and marks the end of the standard metar observation and the beginning of the remarks"
< 1443419115 458374 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-59-230.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
< 1443419166 515351 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :we saved the environment, and now we have no idea where we put it
< 1443419178 766768 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I know that. But I think the remarks differ by country?
< 1443419184 912987 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does continuation passing style work with linear types twh
< 1443419192 82573 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anything change?
< 1443419219 828658 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i figure as long as the continuations are single-use, it probably fits perfectly
< 1443419235 472932 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :except then you _have_ to use it...
< 1443419254 687151 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That doesn't matter, you can always use it if you want, I think.
< 1443419261 105935 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But single-use continuations are much weaker than multi-use continuations.
< 1443419280 980878 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which might mean that with linear types, continuations give you no more power than not using them...
< 1443419299 895159 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose you could switch the call order
< 1443419300 758634 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about LEM in linear logic? I guess you would have to ask which "or" it's using.
< 1443419303 415699 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't have to use it, as long as you keep it around
< 1443419323 34321 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: you know you can use ! right
< 1443419336 143084 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who can use it?
< 1443419340 686998 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The person defining the primitive?
< 1443419396 888923 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably
< 1443419421 789383 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose you cannot use ! for a continuation that refers to anything not having !
< 1443419423 653220 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure.
< 1443419479 878361 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, so I guess LEM uses par.
< 1443419490 912122 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which makes sense.
< 1443419511 336573 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the LEM lemma
< 1443419530 77410 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"LEM" stands for "lemma of excluded middle", obviously
< 1443419556 471538 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :obv.
< 1443419586 619215 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Lemma of excluded middle" my ass
< 1443419644 870892 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm with Jafet 
< 1443419726 793670 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is a linear continuation more linear than a linear closure?
< 1443419774 59164 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly the optimal linearity is to do linear algebra in linear logic hth
< 1443419792 82450 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: linear algebra and linear logic are hardly unrelated tdnh
< 1443419798 626262 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps thtm
< 1443419829 577331 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :2*x + 1 = 1  has no solution; you cannot use x twice hth
< 1443419856 831114 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :tdnh
< 1443419879 63599 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :x^2 + 1 = 1 is the thing that's disallowed
< 1443419892 202094 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shocking
< 1443419917 890481 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll continue to tdnh as long as you continue to nh hth
< 1443419961 981914 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tdnh
< 1443420012 353561 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :httht
< 1443420017 161967 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :tnhhbnh
< 1443420034 977329 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps that should be tnhhnbh
< 1443420052 694262 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps i went too far with "how the tables have turned"
< 1443422398 736616 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :'s ok, i didn't even notice those until now
< 1443422481 53664 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you should play factorio hth
< 1443422553 671380 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :unlikely hth
< 1443423689 291426 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1443424364 470635 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Twanitk1012 5*  10New user account
< 1443424641 306229 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would want to see more cards in Magic: the Gathering that are like Sorrow's Path and other cards like how they have done many of the much older cards
< 1443424886 434344 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443425265 695090 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443426283 608777 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Brainfuck14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44452&oldid=44451 5* 03Rdebath 5* (+642) 10Would BF still be TC with do-while loops? -- Still unproven.
< 1443426435 410268 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Brainfuck14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44453&oldid=44452 5* 03Rdebath 5* (-1) 10Hey! It moved!
< 1443426506 487435 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> minBound * (-1)
< 1443426508 20739 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :     No instance for (Show a0)
< 1443426508 198905 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :       arising from a use of ‘show_M310246364343459938226134’
< 1443426508 198993 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :     The type variable ‘a0’ is ambiguous
< 1443426511 439424 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> minBound * (-1) :: Int
< 1443426513 354023 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : -9223372036854775808
< 1443428039 399217 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: that card seems hard to use, because of the damage it deals
< 1443428291 733751 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1443428315 974675 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1443429226 475483 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443429453 965300 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It turns out that a lot of English words are pronounced with an /a:/ in UK English, but with a /{/ in US English. These include at least "can't, last, fast, past, path, dance, vast". 
< 1443429520 966678 :yorick_!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick NICK :yorick
< 1443429550 832484 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have a list of the most common such words so I can be consciously aware of this and don't get tripped up again? "path" was my current problem.
< 1443429610 566175 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: it's not necessarily a US versus UK divide
< 1443429626 159852 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's one of the strongest linguistic indicators of north England versus south England
< 1443429656 716276 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and given that my parents come from opposite ends of the country, I tend to pick the pronunciation of that sort of 'a' at randomg)
< 1443429696 474786 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do pronounce the a in dance different than the a in last
< 1443429711 496378 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :am i doing horrible things there?
< 1443429730 696322 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :typical r'lyeh english
< 1443429773 851306 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1443429828 686007 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :.
< 1443429869 837558 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :k
< 1443429993 724986 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gathering data, b_jonas, or just passing by to ask?
< 1443430197 537359 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
< 1443430271 968267 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, Jafet: I was partly aware that there are two pronunciations, unconsciously, but it always confuses me because I always think that whatever pronunciation I hear last from a reliably source is the one true pronunciation and the other one I thought before was just an error. "can't" is so common that eventually it began to dawn on me. However,
< 1443430306 993688 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I heared "path" pronounced with /{/ in a song now and didn't recognize the word, had to look it up in the lyrics, because I didn't know "path" would be such a word too. 
< 1443430332 985938 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I saw a list of these words, I might remember, and might understand the next time someone pronounces such a word with an /{/
< 1443430348 487947 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: "dance" might be more complicated, apparently the final consonant can vary too.
< 1443430372 981576 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: north England versus south England? ok. 
< 1443430397 99139 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dancing in Danzig
< 1443430495 828383 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can live with can't and dance with two different prnounciations, but path or last sound weird with one of them
< 1443430533 514681 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: "last" as noun or verb?
< 1443430578 693111 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are they different? :o
< 1443430607 807547 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: probably not different. but "last" is a crazy quadruple homonym or something, so who knows?
< 1443430637 248460 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :english is broken
< 1443430687 199824 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently "last" has two common etimologies, plus two extra rare ones that I've never even heared about.
< 1443430788 270025 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because fuck consistent pronounciation
< 1443430841 56663 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Laster
< 1443430907 228556 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could intersect these two lists: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Rhymes:English/æ- https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Rhymes:English/ɑː-
< 1443430931 986683 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately they're not actual categories for some reason, so catscan can't be used
< 1443430981 291619 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: I'd like to download and parse and transliterate a hundred thousand English pronunciations from en.wiktionary eventually, but sadly en.wiktionary is lacking, there are lots of words that completely lack pronunciatoin entries
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< 1443431018 369321 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though admittedly a lot of words have "rhyme" or pronunciation sound recording entries but no transcribed proununciation
< 1443431278 583335 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but sound recordings don't help me
< 1443431301 430899 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh hm, there are three pronounciations for "data".
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< 1443436639 434966 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :another english fuckup that came in my mind: lose vs loose
< 1443436655 484920 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to, probably
< 1443436664 368451 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure on this one
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< 1443439113 91080 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07ACIDIC14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44454&oldid=43159 5* 03LegionMammal978 5* (+6970) 10added interpreter
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< 1443439559 394893 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07ACIDIC14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44455&oldid=44454 5* 03LegionMammal978 5* (-561) 10/* Implementation */
< 1443439726 661269 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07ACIDIC14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44456&oldid=44455 5* 03LegionMammal978 5* (+66) 10/* Implementation */
< 1443439864 936445 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07ACIDIC14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44457&oldid=44456 5* 03LegionMammal978 5* (-2) 10/* Examples */
< 1443440280 493675 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07ACIDIC14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44458&oldid=44457 5* 03LegionMammal978 5* (+75) 10/* Implementation */
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< 1443442413 285437 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Hmm, maybe DNE as opposed to callCC corresponds to a continuation that you use one way.
< 1443442440 418081 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :((P -> Q) -> Q) -> P vs. ((P -> Q) -> P) -> P
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< 1443442616 557416 :Denis_40!4f19b87d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.25.184.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi!
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< 1443444958 323219 :FireFly!firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello
< 1443444966 130074 :FireFly!firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome Denis_40
< 1443444997 67645 :FireFly!firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks at HackEgo
< 1443445232 240906 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh. Usually, when that happens, it has just dropped off the channel and not rejoined.
< 1443445391 736795 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's been going on for a while.
< 1443445586 695730 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still posting those wiki things, though? 
< 1443445719 113407 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`help
< 1443445719 354247 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Runs arbitrary code in GNU/Linux. Type "`", or "`run " for full shell commands. "`fetch " downloads files. Files saved to $PWD are persistent, and $PWD/bin is in $PATH. $PWD is a mercurial repository, "`revert " can be used to revert to a revision. See http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/
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< 1443445937 16776 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. I guess it's just the umlboxery, then.
< 1443446012 937634 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see shachaf used "`echo a" while I used "`echo foo" to test.
< 1443446033 517347 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa whoa whoa
< 1443446050 535317 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assumed messages to HackEgo were confidential.
< 1443446069 962443 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's confidential and then there's "confidential".
< 1443446092 753277 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443446096 770188 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't they teach you about PII hth
< 1443446145 415331 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They sure tried.
< 1443446163 965515 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was hoping to find some error messages in "freenode.log", because I think I found some there earlier.
< 1443446169 699236 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sadly, it's just silent.
< 1443446559 24942 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a gazillion defunct python processes, and the lockfile is locked.
< 1443446639 421332 :nycs!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443446643 533610 :nycs!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com NICK :`^_^v
< 1443446763 244757 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And quite a few umlbox instances too.
< 1443446773 60839 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: lsof: command not found
< 1443446776 759068 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not so helpful.
< 1443446836 240381 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks to proc, I know 11 processes have the lock file open, but I'm not sure how to tell which one of those is actually holding the exclusive lock.
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< 1443446920 142919 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although maybe the one with 100% CPU use is a likely candidate.
< 1443446973 439637 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: what type of lock?
< 1443447021 29537 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Python fcntl.flock lock.
< 1443447058 696067 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: what operating system?
< 1443447070 203884 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linux.
< 1443447082 998986 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The 100% CPU use one is the one running  `! underload (:*:^):^  but there's supposed to be limits.
< 1443447153 259252 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: open the file from a new process, call fcntl F_GETLK on it on the whole range, examine return value and the l_pid field in the struct flock instance it fills out for you. that should tell the pid of a process that holds a lock.
< 1443447211 710549 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe I'll just kill that one umlbox and see if it clears up.
< 1443447230 969286 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :examine the l_type field in that structure too, if its value is F_UNLCK then there's no lock found, ignore the l_pid field
< 1443447264 386590 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1443447265 477629 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Denis_40: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: . (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.)
< 1443447266 677393 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'inventory': An inventory is a collection of inventions.
< 1443447272 340356 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1443447273 409707 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :afk? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1443447289 836244 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to fill l_type to F_WRLCK or F_RDLCK before the call
< 1443447300 960039 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's slightly moot now.
< 1443447327 219052 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, I'm just saying in case you meet this in the future
< 1443447334 993732 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :TBD: why umlbox "--timeout 30" didn't timeout.
< 1443447601 631063 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Afk wrote a famous story about hang.
< 1443447603 834451 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'afk': Afk wrote a famous story about hang.
< 1443448656 201126 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Brainfuck14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44459&oldid=44453 5* 03Int-e 5* (+385) 10/* Would BF still be TC with do-while loops? */
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< 1443449076 385407 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Brainfuck14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44460&oldid=44459 5* 03Int-e 5* (+0) 10/* Would BF still be TC with do-while loops? */ I can't count.
< 1443449207 484785 :ski!~ski@remote11.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf : "twh" ?
< 1443449278 369506 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :that will|would|won't help [the last reading upsets some people here, I don't know why]
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< 1443449680 532592 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, "that warty hog".
< 1443449747 181997 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's your favourite universal turing machine
< 1443449847 54100 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chocolate.
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< 1443450324 86622 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, fizzie, tdg
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< 1443450326 467767 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*tdh
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< 1443451447 764889 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : in particular, Vorpal quoted a value of "around 2^62 funge cells", which makes it seem quite likely that that's more than 2^64 bytes but that a loop that processed them a cell at a time wouldn't overflow <-- that would make sense if I got a SIGKILL from the OOM killer. Instead I get a SIGSEGV in the end
< 1443451501 358729 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : and then your loop to zero it is trying to zero a lot more memory than you allocated <-- something like that seems more likely yes
< 1443451511 333903 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :<\oren\> ais523: but if it's overflowing shouldn't the size of the zeroed part also overflow?
< 1443451511 512350 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : \oren\: it depends on how the loops are written
< 1443451520 901521 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it is realloc() to grow, then memset() to zero
< 1443451553 876140 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh the first line was wrong quote from ais, I meant his first quote
< 1443451564 691958 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I will look at that later, have more urgent stuff to do
< 1443451905 101812 :Denis_40!4f19b87d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.25.184.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn, i can't join this channel using pidgin
< 1443451920 205970 :Denis_40!4f19b87d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.25.184.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i can't join this server
< 1443451925 118236 :Denis_40!4f19b87d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.25.184.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to say the truth
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< 1443452246 759116 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :
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< 1443454105 37847 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION skipped the previous logs
< 1443454283 223769 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not like you
< 1443454287 10884 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :heresy
< 1443454295 88080 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: who are you and what have you done to oerjan?
< 1443454295 269903 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, _most_ of them
< 1443454316 529337 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well codu was down then, and tunes's format is awkward to read
< 1443454337 228198 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially the wiki announcements
< 1443454343 971988 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1443454374 340907 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did, however, search for my nick, so i could have a proper fit tdh
< 1443454378 632670 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :clog: show some responsibility, people rely on you.
< 1443454402 996376 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :or am I mixing up the logging bots...
< 1443454419 192994 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't be int-e either, he would _never_ register a wiki account hth
< 1443454435 114520 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was surprised as well.
< 1443454450 41906 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pleasantly when I realized that the e-mail address was optional.
< 1443454463 919848 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i recommend adding it hth
< 1443454477 768771 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :duly noted
< 1443454479 821035 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you have a very reliable password scheme
< 1443454499 346042 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's quite reliable and insecure.
< 1443454518 295813 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I can always make another account ;)
< 1443454530 598250 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but that's scow
< 1443454555 574323 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :VirgoLang had to do that not long ago
< 1443454555 752508 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :or go back to being IP addresses
< 1443454583 848634 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, you can disable the part where anyone gets to actually send you email.
< 1443454618 258248 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd probably do that if I added my email address
< 1443454636 694153 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, it's not shown to anyone who isn't an admin, unless you reply to an email
< 1443454642 750163 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, back to writing a review
< 1443454661 559582 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i don't know how big an admin one needs to be)
< 1443454705 982209 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the first paper I'm reviewing where the word "useless" will very likely make it into the final review...
< 1443454723 496560 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fancy
< 1443454807 279031 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh also if you send an email, i guess
< 1443454885 291870 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ski: "that would help"
< 1443454968 991179 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :as far as i can see, i cannot get to anyone's email address
< 1443454975 302755 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(except my own)
< 1443455002 877978 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although perhaps there's just a very secret way of getting to it
< 1443455271 542573 :bender!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 QUIT :Quit: Ping Pong Fuckout
< 1443455559 346201 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Deadfish14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44461&oldid=43949 5* 03166.102.136.7 5* (+42) 10
< 1443455607 887453 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Deadfish14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44462&oldid=44461 5* 03166.102.136.7 5* (+0) 10
< 1443455690 270404 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: is it included in a dump of the wiki
< 1443455747 399005 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know, i've never seen one
< 1443455903 28691 :TodPunk!Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1443455930 541567 :TodPunk!~Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443456039 331704 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Deadfish14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44463&oldid=44462 5* 03Oerjan 5* (-42) 10Move batch specific comment to that section; remove snarky comment.
< 1443456126 540798 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-59-230.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443456310 581003 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.190.253.145 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1443456459 2264 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : oerjan: Hmm, maybe DNE as opposed to callCC corresponds to a continuation that you use one way. <-- DNE inatiafw hth
< 1443456497 574656 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :double negation elimination hth
< 1443456507 899006 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :htiattyafw
< 1443456531 41867 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yiitth
< 1443456710 139087 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo hi
< 1443456710 989536 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1443456807 131781 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? inventory
< 1443456807 936079 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :An inventory is a collection of inventions.
< 1443456820 882540 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that did get through
< 1443456826 26683 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? tanebventory
< 1443456826 708250 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tanebventory? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1443456838 309192 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was about when i noticed HackEgo got silent
< 1443456851 947962 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION didn't notice if it pinged out eventually
< 1443456908 223342 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn The Tanebventory is big. Really big. For one thing, it contains a Hilbert hotel.
< 1443456910 485460 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'tanebventory': The Tanebventory is big. Really big. For one thing, it contains a Hilbert hotel.
< 1443456931 360565 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i got a response to /msgs to HackEgo ~8 hours after sending them hth
< 1443456937 238780 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh
< 1443456969 605198 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you know if things like inatiafw are actually readable, you might be a tad too predictable.
< 1443457027 41114 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: What, so you think oerjan should type out the sentence instead?
< 1443457038 322028 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :_or_ you may be assimilating my secret code precisely according to plan *MWAHAHAHA*
< 1443457127 643589 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Quit: 1 found in /dev/zero
< 1443457280 103512 :nycs!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443457300 450044 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds
< 1443457448 375677 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443457913 506126 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i am not sure ais523 reads logs
< 1443458831 206201 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@173-167-121-101-sfba.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443458951 510513 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :urk.
< 1443459013 506707 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(wrong channel... my ghc at work is broken, stupid Arch Linux)
< 1443459223 690484 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the bright side i seem to have gotten approval to have ais523 send me his thesis tdh
< 1443459458 585424 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it can't find libncursesw.so.5 anymore, since there's now a libncursesw.so.6... I did the wacky thing and added a symlink, which seems to work for now)
< 1443459914 347959 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: fancy
< 1443459967 487927 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 is just about the only person i know of who might actually care...
< 1443459995 461922 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually care about the thing i said?
< 1443460007 735955 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :care about getting approval first
< 1443460012 718429 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1443460066 758868 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric : Is there a reason you can't publish a copy directly, by the way?
< 1443460073 505485 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric : shachaf: I'm not sure
< 1443460078 858271 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric : and so far, haven't done so in case I get into trouble
< 1443460161 299835 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it wouldn't be great to write your whole PhD thesis and then have it revoked at the last moment because you shared it with someone
< 1443460279 137460 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i spose
< 1443460293 978957 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :very likely to happen, incidentally
< 1443460341 859548 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…
< 1443460352 657438 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sent my application-for-this-and-that form today.
< 1443460368 746747 :sc00fy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443460378 732088 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They told me to avoid communicating in any way with the pre-examiners.
< 1443460398 348610 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :how long til you receive it? (or rejection)
< 1443460421 701921 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They have 8 weeks to submit their opinions.
< 1443460438 391965 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell ais523 I managed to fix the allocation size overflow. It was indeed an issue that the size parameter to realloc() overflowed, but it also overflowed in memset. What happened was that a *second* stack-stack-operation a bit later ended up memsetting outside the area (which was supposedly already allocated but above the top of the stack)
< 1443460438 606696 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1443460476 117054 :mihow!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443460504 649532 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I think there were something like 5 different outcomes, much like in a journal paper submission. "Accept as-is", "accept with minor revisions [checked only by the supervising professor]", "accept with major revisions [re-checked by the pre-examiners]", and then a soft and a hard reject, with some slight difference.
< 1443460585 535001 :mihow_!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443460695 788900 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh okay
< 1443460699 400753 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :good luck
< 1443460723 146901 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw i finally got an erdos number
< 1443460726 77262 :mihow!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1443460726 362649 :mihow_!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net NICK :mihow
< 1443460739 579737 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks. Disclaimer: the details weren't exactly as described above, but close enough for government work.
< 1443460780 298633 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i didnt read up far enough to see details so i wont be disappointed
< 1443461334 545758 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wpa-6-113.cc.umanitoba.ca JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443461574 909526 :Thisbe!~Thisbe@207.197.114.192 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443461787 330827 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, btw if you can trick fungot into allocating between 2^61+1 and 2^64-1 funge cells in a stack-stack operation, there is a possibility that remote code execution could be possible, depending on what memory it can then manage to overwrite
< 1443461787 968051 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i haven't considered dynamic-wind yet. spent yesterday making various packagings of my code, where compilers output proofs that machine code is _clearly_ more powerful, why don't many implementations have that mechanism? has there been any noise about the ephemeral jit?
< 1443461798 796729 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style
< 1443461798 976955 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc* iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack oots pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube
< 1443461829 610742 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, so if you feel that affects you, you should update
< 1443461839 976231 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I should like totally get a CVE for this :D
< 1443461877 102877 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :Critical Funge98 vulnerability: Update now! | ɛ̃ˈglɪʃ spɛˈliŋ ʀɘfɔʀm/ | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ | https://esolangs.org/
< 1443461914 107565 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1443462036 734846 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, review done. "useless" didn't quite make it; it became "virtually useless"
< 1443462249 200535 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wpa-6-113.cc.umanitoba.ca QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1443462324 342440 :XorSwap!XorSwap@wpa-6-113.cc.umanitoba.ca JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443462569 980854 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443462579 394485 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES!
< 1443462602 989985 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I GOT SYNTAX HIGHLIGHTING WORKING PERFECTLY IN MY λ-CALCULATOR!
< 1443462625 312878 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently, it's the order that you /create/ formatting tags that determines precedence, NOT the application order
< 1443462628 331667 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :For... some reason
< 1443462651 631856 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds... unusual
< 1443462655 22237 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know
< 1443462656 701236 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's weird
< 1443462661 447188 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it makes a /bit/ of sense
< 1443462679 598281 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This bot syntax doesn't work here AFAIK, but never-the-less:
< 1443462680 806654 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]++
< 1443462696 459525 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nevertheless, syntax hilgihting is now perfect
< 1443462715 287213 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma hppavilion[1]
< 1443462715 465312 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1] has a karma of 1
< 1443462716 587046 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Heh. We both just said /(n|N)ever-?the-?less/
< 1443462720 554666 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait
< 1443462723 705462 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's karma here?
< 1443462726 119078 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's cool
< 1443462729 271033 :Denis_40!4f19b87d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.25.184.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi hppavilion[1]
< 1443462732 848787 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi Denis_40 
< 1443462739 590284 :XorSwap!XorSwap@wpa-6-113.cc.umanitoba.ca QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1443462741 76147 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got the calclulator configured so:
< 1443462747 46941 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Lambdas are green
< 1443462752 190911 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: well, it's accumulated from a lot of channels
< 1443462763 978826 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Comments are a moderate shade of red and italicizid
< 1443462785 751273 :XorSwap!XorSwap@wpa-6-113.cc.umanitoba.ca JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443462788 139719 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Parens are bold and bright red (I'll probably only make it so that is in affect on nearby cursor)
< 1443462798 171924 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Names are blue
< 1443462830 200243 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does everything EXCEPT λ-calculus
< 1443462830 840096 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD
< 1443462844 481614 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443462856 95296 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a theta combinator that is equivalent to "YO"
< 1443462907 668310 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, (SLL)(SI) in pure SK
< 1443462943 497135 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :cute :)
< 1443462960 391899 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait
< 1443462964 912126 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forgot to expand the L's
< 1443462966 120806 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I think it's likely you could only trick fungot into doing that if you found an arbitrary funge execution vulnerability in it, and that would be bad even without the crash.
< 1443462966 299156 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: scheme48 doesn't have a way
< 1443462979 306782 :atrapado!~atrapado@unaffiliated/atrapado JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443462991 100790 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ah
< 1443463035 316292 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: good for scheme, but what about funge?
< 1443463035 494272 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: really nice btw.
< 1443463045 908730 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, also, if you can trick it into running this program with srandom(4) set at program start, you will get a stack overflow:
< 1443463047 982889 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :"000000?kk
< 1443463048 162673 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :00000000y
< 1443463057 779507 :XorSwap!XorSwap@wpa-6-113.cc.umanitoba.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1443463064 429517 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I have no idea how
< 1443463090 591025 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(S((S((S(KS)K)(S(KS)K)S)(KK))(S(KS)K)(S(SKK)(SKK)))((S((S(KS)K)()S(KS)KS)(KK))(S(KS)K)(S(SKK)(SKK))))(S(SKK))
< 1443463104 500929 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That, though I might've majorly screwed up on the parenthesis
< 1443463155 875949 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just put parenthesis around evey combinator expansion. That's correct, right?
< 1443463182 891218 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], what is it that you are doing syntax highlighting in?
< 1443463185 102841 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably
< 1443463194 698013 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: λ-calculuator.
< 1443463217 37648 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm using Tkinter as that's what comes with Python by default, and I don't want to force any potential users to install anything more than python
< 1443463251 434031 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I /might've/ used Kivy if I could've gotten it working on Anaconda, but then everyone who used the application would have to do the same
< 1443463309 527941 :XorSwap!XorSwap@wpa-6-113.cc.umanitoba.ca JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443463313 907825 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, it seems any program on the format "0000...000?kk followed by 0000...0000y has this behaviour on srandom(4) heh
< 1443463361 800715 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a Bald Eagle combinator: Ê = B(BBB)(B(BBB))
< 1443463431 407967 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Ê = (S(KS)K)((S(KS)K)(S(KS)K)(S(KS)K))((S(KS)K)((S(KS)K)(S(KS)K)(S(KS)K))))
< 1443463432 458338 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :)
< 1443463549 64205 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Did I answer your question?
< 1443463566 446875 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah I guess so
< 1443463572 299767 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would want to be able to use "one-time-pad" protocol which can wrap other protocols although it would be most useful for wrapping SSH and does not seem useful for others.
< 1443463582 217756 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], what is anaconda?
< 1443463613 985244 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Python distribution that includes the SciPy stack and a bunch of other science libraries that need to be compiled with python to work
< 1443463618 46549 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway pip allows for installing anything easily into a virtualenv or into ~/.local/lib/python-3x/
< 1443463625 583421 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :err python3.x even
< 1443463638 503218 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I tried that.
< 1443463658 181357 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I would use the conda virtualenv thing, most likely. Conda is better than pip, afaict
< 1443463662 159232 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], oh? You can't install numpy and scipy with pip/setuptools after like normal modules?
< 1443463669 616349 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is weird
< 1443463669 794510 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope
< 1443463680 949837 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never dealt with those libraries
< 1443463683 797597 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're written in C and are part of python, like the Math library or the Socket library
< 1443463691 208093 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or __future__
< 1443463694 629769 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in python 2)
< 1443463695 13851 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], you can write .so for python to load
< 1443463701 128619 :Thisbe!~Thisbe@207.197.114.192 QUIT :Quit: Thisbe
< 1443463701 410700 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh
< 1443463715 658003 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think that works though, or else I wouldn't have needed to switch to anaconda xD
< 1443463721 613561 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :well okay
< 1443463737 358038 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], but I built python extensions in C before, so I know that parts work
< 1443463745 95182 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what scipy does that is so special
< 1443463762 876578 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I installed Anaconda because its got all the normal libraries, PLUS it does sciency things
< 1443463782 446332 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: High-efficiency array manipulation (multiplying by scalars, etc.)
< 1443463800 197824 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's good for data, I hear. I really just got it as a "Just in case" measure
< 1443463804 343734 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait
< 1443463804 821776 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], seems doable as a normal extension too
< 1443463805 56546 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO
< 1443463816 997258 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I switched because PyBrain needs Numpy
< 1443463827 992185 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: But not at C-like speeds, most likely
< 1443463829 310070 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just use normal python 3.5
< 1443463845 809180 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], it is fairly efficient, it is the same interface that python itself uses internally :P
< 1443463854 500893 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :For defining methods I mean
< 1443463868 278488 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will use Python 3.5 as soon as Anaconda comes in that version. I'm excited about the @ operator and the asynch for loops and things
< 1443463871 973754 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], take a look at python's C API
< 1443463874 405435 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*async
< 1443463875 991774 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will
< 1443463880 84666 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did think of several things to avoid problems that bad implementations would have, including problem if someone tries to send random data to the server, problem with synchronization, problem if someone in the middle changes a few bits, etc
< 1443463885 480269 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is fairly flexible
< 1443463896 144107 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Brainfuck14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44464&oldid=44460 5* 03Rdebath 5* (+405) 10/* Would BF still be TC with do-while loops? */
< 1443463897 373328 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], So I see no reason for numpy to not just do that so far
< 1443463963 637381 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], this seems to indicate it can be built out of tree, but needs a lot of dependencies: https://www.scipy.org/scipylib/building/linux.html#generic-instructions
< 1443463971 276073 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also not buildable with pip maybe?
< 1443463973 436318 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is weird
< 1443463986 924174 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if it's actually, built into Python
< 1443463991 636213 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/,//
< 1443464009 584783 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just kind of assumed it is because I wasn't sure if C can dynamically load other executables xD
< 1443464024 546500 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], haven't coded much C I guess?
< 1443464028 468574 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not really xD
< 1443464038 744937 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know a tiny bit
< 1443464056 378987 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway. C can't. C has no concept of directories even! But most operating systems can
< 1443464060 836175 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could /probably/ figure out how to implement a linked list in about half an hour xD
< 1443464082 602219 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :So basically C on POSIX  and C on Windows can both load dynamic libraries
< 1443464088 336688 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah
< 1443464091 355653 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :In completely different ways
< 1443464096 572042 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course
< 1443464102 984766 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't have any consistency, can we?
< 1443464112 394766 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, not completely. But windows does it weirdly.
< 1443464132 985232 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or is it POSIX that does it weirdly? Duhn duhn DUHN!
< 1443464134 66087 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :What with the separate heaps and what not
< 1443464149 218042 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :POSIX doesn't create a heap per .dll/.so like windows does
< 1443464157 858709 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK...
< 1443464161 917230 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I kind of get heaps
< 1443464174 447486 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're trees where a child is always less data than a parent, correct?
< 1443464174 625805 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :As opposed to not getting the stack?
< 1443464181 240727 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :No that is a different heap
< 1443464184 704151 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh
< 1443464194 688749 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :heap in this context is where you do dynamic allocations
< 1443464198 271470 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damn you, Namicus, Greek God of Naming!
< 1443464199 863615 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :that are not on the stack
< 1443464207 888252 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah
< 1443464258 864870 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have quite a bit to learn about the low level programming parts. Manual memory management will be a shock to you.
< 1443464299 558017 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :And of course, the compiler just assuming you know what you do when you access data outside what you allocated. That is always fun too
< 1443464333 426851 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I understand the fact that C has manual memory management xD
< 1443464348 679255 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've read about C, and done a tiny bit of code, but never actually done a large project
< 1443464359 903481 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I do any C, it'll probably actually just be C++
< 1443464361 29295 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm currently trying to come up with a way to neatly handle recursion limiting in k when fuzz testing this funge interpreter. I don't think there is a way to do it non-messily. Hm
< 1443464376 626578 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm...
< 1443464386 240881 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :To many #ifdefs everywhere...
< 1443464408 473830 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is there no do...for loop? Wait, no, stupid question.
< 1443464418 347127 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :do...if? xD
< 1443464435 671296 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :um?
< 1443464446 367765 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :do while loops exist, but apparently not in python
< 1443464455 478831 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was looking for one earlier today
< 1443464456 958882 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. It would look bad if they did
< 1443464457 895125 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :at work
< 1443464461 15531 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :why
< 1443464472 501965 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well how would you start it?
< 1443464477 303030 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ended up doing a while True: ... if condition: break
< 1443464480 154073 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Espro14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=44465 5* 03Timwi 5* (+11068) 10'''Espro''' (short for ''Esperanta Programado'') is an unfinished idea for a programming language that uses [[w:Esperanto|]] inflection and grammar.
< 1443464494 599749 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are no curly brackets in python, unless you specifically request them from __future__
< 1443464502 230858 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would it look like this?:
< 1443464504 421191 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric ::
< 1443464508 433830 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :    code
< 1443464508 886690 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is a joke in future iirc
< 1443464510 554020 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :    code
< 1443464516 269132 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :while(cond)
< 1443464520 150737 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :do:
< 1443464520 328870 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :	...
< 1443464520 328923 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :while x
< 1443464530 124798 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know, but I think it does technically work
< 1443464532 568191 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh right xD
< 1443464540 946196 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd like lojban instead of esperanto more. on the other hand, making lojban into,a programming language would probably end up in prolog
< 1443464554 198256 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It still doesn't sit right, and Python /probably/ should support that
< 1443464564 504595 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Espro14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44466&oldid=44465 5* 03Timwi 5* (-33) 10
< 1443464569 95253 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why don't we submit a PEP and request do:...while?
< 1443464583 430152 :XorSwap!XorSwap@wpa-6-113.cc.umanitoba.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
< 1443464588 305067 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Espro14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44467&oldid=44466 5* 03Timwi 5* (+8) 10
< 1443464589 579995 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :with var as value: code is an interesting construct
< 1443464607 229197 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], well, iirc C# has something similar
< 1443464618 638185 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :To what?
< 1443464621 61455 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it has been like 5+ years since I wrote any C#
< 1443464621 533931 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: you cannot put the while in the same column as the : as it would end the block alltogether
< 1443464636 765274 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname, hm true
< 1443464646 134060 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be special cased, most likely
< 1443464654 474187 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the python folks couldn't even make switch happrn, they will not make do while happen
< 1443464656 548430 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname, still a "one iteration, then check" syntax would be useful
< 1443464671 397972 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would end the block, but if it's a do block it'd make sure it is followed by a while()
< 1443464683 772804 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname, maybe:    while-after condition: code
< 1443464699 994097 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like python  because you can declare variables inside blocks. Until I thought about it, I wondered how this code would work in C:
< 1443464707 868005 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname, come on, switch would be easy, syntax-wise
< 1443464726 416748 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :if(cond){int var;} else {long var;}
< 1443464736 716131 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :switch x:
< 1443464736 894048 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :    case 1:
< 1443464736 894129 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :    	code
< 1443464736 894159 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :    case 2:
< 1443464737 318061 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :    	code
< 1443464738 356925 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :    default:
< 1443464739 404735 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :    	code
< 1443464740 548155 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Switch would be easy in syntax AND it wouldn't look completely awful
< 1443464757 861326 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though you should really do switch like erlang
< 1443464761 949741 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it would, but they cried about how 2 columns are way too much
< 1443464769 274729 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1443464770 103726 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Except in python, case  could have  be a variable
< 1443464782 826811 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], don't see an issue with that
< 1443464793 241294 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: it's easy in c. void pointer :p
< 1443464797 476853 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], it is just a glorified if-elif-else really
< 1443464808 73366 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Espro14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44468&oldid=44467 5* 03Timwi 5* (+240) 10/* Types */
< 1443464820 274478 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname, where?
< 1443464844 626392 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilions example
< 1443464850 866519 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1],"if(cond){int var;} else {long var;}", what about it?
< 1443464852 704096 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: Perhaps they could add an optional "end" keyword after blocks of code and call it a non-special case, so they could validate Vorpal's do...while syntax. Then again, that'd prevent us from making end a var...
< 1443464857 753857 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :those are two different var
< 1443464862 315424 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :in different scopes
< 1443464867 217112 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhpas a terminate keyword
< 1443464887 337805 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Espro14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44469&oldid=44468 5* 03Timwi 5* (-21) 10/* Types */
< 1443464887 951735 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I know, I said that until I remembered that C had scopes like that, I wondered about that
< 1443464890 692635 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname, how does a void pointer help?
< 1443464898 41576 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah
< 1443464904 333157 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Espro14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44470&oldid=44469 5* 03Timwi 5* (+4) 10/* Statements */
< 1443464909 595438 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just assign whatever you want to var
< 1443464922 251602 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :still, there is really no need for that
< 1443464968 593742 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find python's scoping annoying.
< 1443464978 129294 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why doesn't each block introduce a new scope
< 1443464979 578710 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Espro14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44471&oldid=44470 5* 03Timwi 5* (+98) 10/* Statements */
< 1443464981 769760 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :it makes a lot more sense
< 1443464989 711359 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I like it. Not having to declare variables is nice
< 1443464989 889461 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :And leads to easier to follow code
< 1443464995 737913 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that I'm okay with
< 1443465003 791241 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, perl's undef default is just taking it too far
< 1443465016 296868 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if you define a non-existing variable inside a block it shouldn't escape to outside that block
< 1443465017 350561 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :This code, alone, is valid in perl: print(x)
< 1443465021 889682 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is my point
< 1443465029 353380 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is after all how functions work
< 1443465032 833309 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you actually say "i find sth annoying" in english?
< 1443465040 26189 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: But there's no curly bracket at the end to catch it when it leaves, just whitespace xD
< 1443465040 712475 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :So why should sub-function blocks work differently
< 1443465045 472915 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname, no idea, I'm a Swede
< 1443465060 367253 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd be oerfextly fine in german, too
< 1443465069 886216 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am unsure in englidh, though
< 1443465074 6278 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never heard someone utter "sth"
< 1443465076 376485 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], and?
< 1443465087 290563 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], short for "something"
< 1443465096 754914 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nobody says "iirc" either, they spell it out
< 1443465101 561107 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, right
< 1443465107 33029 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never seen "sth"
< 1443465125 220852 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUt you can definitely say "I find something annoying" in english, at least grammar-wise.
< 1443465131 589678 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Espro14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44472&oldid=44471 5* 03Timwi 5* (+3) 10/* Statements */
< 1443465133 711732 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay
< 1443465145 743373 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :You /might/ get a few funny looks, but it isn't an invalid sentence
< 1443465209 910189 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Espro14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44473&oldid=44472 5* 03Timwi 5* (+0) 10/* Expressions */
< 1443465218 727441 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd say "i think sth is annoying" to work around
< 1443465235 41697 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Espro14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44474&oldid=44473 5* 03Timwi 5* (-1) 10/* Expressions */
< 1443465243 949837 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :You still are being a bit vague, but that's still valid.
< 1443465287 728497 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can say "I find sth annoying", but it isn't very clear what you're talking about, unless context /makes/ it clear
< 1443465408 686130 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Espro14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44475&oldid=44474 5* 03Timwi 5* (+0) 10/* Expressions */
< 1443465414 127420 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I modify my λ-calculuator's syntax so that {...} is always a name?
< 1443465436 241400 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of the regex form /\{[^}]+\}/
< 1443465443 172957 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I will
< 1443465447 545184 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :For numbers' sake
< 1443465565 932645 :fowl!fowl@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-tsqwmngdqowjwqus QUIT :*.net *.split
< 1443465649 102675 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :There
< 1443465651 23804 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was easy
< 1443465788 618914 :Muesum!5abeb499@gateway/web/freenode/ip.90.190.180.153 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443465809 106198 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"{123}" is lexed to "123"
< 1443465818 610880 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Not parsed. Lexed.)
< 1443465926 107292 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Espro14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44476&oldid=44475 5* 03Timwi 5* (+717) 10/* Properties */ Indexers
< 1443465970 281774 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443465975 399433 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Espro14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44477&oldid=44476 5* 03Timwi 5* (+131) 10/* Example */
< 1443466078 745555 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Inflection14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44478&oldid=11908 5* 03Timwi 5* (+105) 10[[Espo]]
< 1443466086 139117 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Inflection14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44479&oldid=44478 5* 03Timwi 5* (+1) 10oops
< 1443466101 268109 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Inflection14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44480&oldid=44479 5* 03Timwi 5* (+10) 10
< 1443466110 985836 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: i find your lack of grammar disturbing
< 1443466159 377744 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: how so?
< 1443466177 827852 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :correct me whereever you can
< 1443466257 273293 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1443466303 701124 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1443466310 288822 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION notices a strong wind blowing
< 1443466338 463875 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: i believe you missed the ironic reference hth
< 1443466348 884944 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay!
< 1443466375 666790 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, is "i find" really a thing?
< 1443466389 772113 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it always looks like a false friend to me
< 1443466393 947235 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if darth vader can say it, do you really dare to protest?
< 1443466406 676030 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@173-167-121-101-sfba.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Quit: *bubbles away*
< 1443466411 939696 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know if darth vader says it
< 1443466415 335654 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :g
< 1443466431 565353 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"i find your lack of faith disturbing" is the exact quote.
< 1443466431 743449 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find that finding things is an entertaining time-waster.
< 1443466453 962623 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i learned not that far ago that germany is actually one of the few nations that synchronize practically everything in tv and cinemas
< 1443466456 727231 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Exceptions: If they're important things. Then they're a frustrating time-waster.)
< 1443466457 597196 :Muesum!5abeb499@gateway/web/freenode/ip.90.190.180.153 QUIT :Quit: Page closed
< 1443466473 329651 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, any idea what filmjölk is in English btw?
< 1443466483 241164 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just "sour milk" doesn't seem specific enough
< 1443466497 283495 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zzs-OvfG8tE
< 1443466502 833812 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :yoghurt is pretty much sour milk too
< 1443466516 604007 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i discussed with someone from norway who said that germans are sp
< 1443466522 628984 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are horrible at englidh
< 1443466555 390282 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at that point i learned that english movies and series are only subtitled there
< 1443466572 597976 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which he thought leads to a better understanding of the english language
< 1443466576 814161 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he may be right
< 1443466598 472309 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname, same in Sweden, only subtitling
< 1443466611 145985 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless it is a kids movies for ages that are not expected to be able to read
< 1443466641 667078 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1443466650 5987 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :never thought about it
< 1443466717 941983 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was a natural thing to me that shows on tv are in german
< 1443466826 749308 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems more expensive
< 1443466840 595248 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is
< 1443466849 817659 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i'm pretty sure no one has any idea https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filmj%C3%B6lk#In_English
< 1443466878 135689 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I added an option in my λ-calculuator to use ≡ instead of =
< 1443466959 763857 :FireFly!firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: I think that helped me a lot.  Another thing is that games typically aren't translated at all, so if you want to enjoy video games with dialogue, you're kinda forced to learn English
< 1443466961 445987 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, ah
< 1443466966 287094 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should /probably/ actually make it start doing λ-calculus.
< 1443466981 348020 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I just wanted to translate a recipe that uses it to an English person I know
< 1443466994 787910 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, also filmjölk tastes awesome
< 1443467015 372987 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION avoids sour dairy like the plague.
< 1443467031 712793 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a few exceptions for sour cream
< 1443467035 772017 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, why? yoghurt I can understand
< 1443467037 64634 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think filmjölk has slightly different cultures from other similar things, so it should probably be called filmjölk
< 1443467057 283575 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, well technically I love A-fil, as opposed to the other types. I like that taste best
< 1443467063 393258 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, after 30 seconds on wikipedia i can tell you that there's no english equivalent
< 1443467075 974368 :FireFly!firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :According to the wikipedia article linked above, cultured buttermilk apparently acts as a substitute for filmjölk in recipes
< 1443467076 635866 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, fair enough. You should import it and try it though
< 1443467085 235764 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly, right
< 1443467093 735961 :FireFly!firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you might just write that instead
< 1443467099 523729 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never heard of that before. What exactly is buttermilk anyway?
< 1443467104 887742 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: well the section suggests a substitute
< 1443467138 597018 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats FireFly for stealing his words while he was checking them
< 1443467141 340030 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1443467142 99428 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops
< 1443467145 52357 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :buttermilk might be, like, kärnmjölk
< 1443467148 202352 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1443467168 118433 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I ever seen kärnmjölk in Sweden in a shop. I heard the word yes, but that is about it
< 1443467180 567638 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION does it again properly -----###
< 1443467186 905037 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Kärnmjölk ingår inte längre i svenska livsmedelsaffärernas vanliga sortiment. Norrmejerier upphörde som sista större svenska mejeri att saluföra kärnmjölk till privatpersoner i början av 2000-talet. Idag går den större delen av kärnmjölk som produceras i Sverige till bagerierna."
< 1443467191 772104 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah
< 1443467197 410014 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it is no longer common in Sweden
< 1443467200 440027 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :buttermilk that is
< 1443467207 316962 :FireFly!firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess we use filmjölk as a substitute for buttermilk in recipes, then :P
< 1443467212 993926 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, is buttermilk something that can be easily found in UK?
< 1443467221 114207 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :reasonably
< 1443467235 428389 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, right, here it is impossible to find in normal shops apparently
< 1443467407 272106 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am bored of my λ-calculator for now. I will finish it later.
< 1443467415 919814 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What area of mathematics should I cover next?
< 1443467454 745980 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe I'll finish it now
< 1443467456 235228 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know
< 1443467500 175759 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finish mathematics?
< 1443467514 71724 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would be good. Finally someone getting around to that
< 1443467540 16928 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be.
< 1443467558 840248 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I mean finish λ-calculus. That's different.
< 1443467568 830462 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1443467584 905472 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't do everything IN λ-calculus, I would just make the interpreter complete enough for my liking xD
< 1443467599 954532 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So other people can do everything in λ-calculus
< 1443467623 618189 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zknlxjhwnvfueabf JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443467644 72376 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I do a bit of set theory next?
< 1443467659 176266 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Combinatory Logic kind of got rolled into λ-calculus.
< 1443467715 523106 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(because you can define SK in λ-calculus easily, and the syntax is then the same, so...)
< 1443467754 965093 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], learn haskell next?
< 1443467763 496353 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: So what do you think? Set theory? Or is there some other really cool and somewhat simple to emulate mathematical system LIKE λ-calculus or SK?
< 1443467769 362441 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I know some Haskell
< 1443467772 733876 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay
< 1443467808 693159 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], I have no idea, I'm more of a low level programmer. Heck I do C/C++ real time system programming for a living.
< 1443467819 499409 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoa
< 1443467831 220182 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm?
< 1443467836 222495 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa about what
< 1443467895 731720 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], ?
< 1443467934 531216 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Espro14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44481&oldid=44477 5* 03Timwi 5* (+3) 10/* Types */
< 1443467937 579075 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know
< 1443467942 931091 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay
< 1443467953 812671 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I do C/C++ real time system programming for a living." just sounded impressive
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< 1443467993 342162 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i feel pity for him
< 1443468004 851052 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname, thanks. C++ is a mess :P
< 1443468014 427238 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname, but real time programming is fun
< 1443468015 775175 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :c++ is the least funny thing i can imagine
< 1443468021 429993 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1443468048 865031 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The ι combinator is interesting
< 1443468056 3253 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ιx = xSK
< 1443468062 500243 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname, making big 200 metric ton machines move around and autonomously drill holes for blasting has a certain hard to match quality :)
< 1443468065 419862 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's equivalent to SK
< 1443468069 305451 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ANd... have to move
< 1443468073 989527 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Be back in 30 seconds
< 1443468076 763962 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname, which is my job :)
< 1443468162 623059 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No one? ι combinator?
< 1443468177 849446 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname, anyway when doing hard real time programming there aren't a lot of alternatives. There is Ada, Real time java, C and C++. And sure someone has made a proof of concept in haskell and a few other languages. But nothing that is production readyu
< 1443468179 523208 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ready*
< 1443468180 953305 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sadly
< 1443468271 374044 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :If only ι didn't need parentheses...
< 1443468297 654196 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'd fit well into my "Philosphy of CS"
< 1443468310 718471 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm I wonder how real time java gets around having a garbage collector?
< 1443468320 872103 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: sounds a lot like fpga programming to me
< 1443468342 658122 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting field where you can do lots of things in theory
< 1443468343 15225 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname, ugh, thank god it isn't that. I have done some VHDL at university. It was... interesting.
< 1443468352 253362 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Specifically, te fact that any program can be represented by a number of ιs)
< 1443468352 431507 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that is very different
< 1443468359 5709 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in practice you have to do vhdl
< 1443468367 302738 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname, the stuff I do still run on normal x86 and ARM systems
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< 1443468417 580237 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hate vhdl with passion, even though i have not wrote a line in it
< 1443468419 254445 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Industrial computers sure, with good control over BIOS and so on (you can't have BIOS suddenly running and blocking your code if you are doing hard real time after all!), but still not an FPGA
< 1443468429 760344 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname, why? Prefer verilog? Never tried that
< 1443468451 13561 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 is the fpga guy around here
< 1443468454 575188 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd love something haskellish
< 1443468461 174252 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1443468469 349466 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I know
< 1443468495 880312 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: they don't, they interleave the garbage collector and mutator. http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/library/j-rtj4/ was the first thing google found for me, looks relevant and neat
< 1443468501 458531 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :We had someone doing audio processing stuff on FPGAs visiting the university once.
< 1443468507 590294 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait a minute
< 1443468522 93407 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Combinint Iota with Unlambda's ` notation...
< 1443468532 412762 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, ooh thanks
< 1443468536 450209 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think that's very popular; it's usually just software on general-purpose CPUs, or software on DSPs if you want to get fancy.
< 1443468539 969473 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd love to build my own cpu with dpgas, but sadly i'd never use them
< 1443468551 982044 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :We can represent ANY program in Turing-space as a string of 1s and 0s, where 1 is the iota combinator and ` is a grouper (`)
< 1443468556 116142 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname, dpga??
< 1443468562 91233 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fpga
< 1443468562 448791 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they had some interesting algorithms that were very fpga-friendly.
< 1443468563 531768 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/` is a/0 is a/
< 1443468563 868835 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :typo
< 1443468565 99623 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1443468711 577865 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seriously. No one? A way to represent programs in terms of bits?
< 1443468720 169331 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, bit-by-bit syntax
< 1443468730 927742 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Certainly a step up (or down) from character-by-character
< 1443468807 95445 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: um https://esolangs.org/wiki/Iota
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< 1443468819 47525 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: There we go!
< 1443468843 100841 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose I can't have been the first one to come up with it xD
< 1443468853 555320 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Espro14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44482&oldid=44481 5* 03Timwi 5* (+1441) 10
< 1443468882 500361 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought that's what you were talking about until you started reinventing pieces of it
< 1443468897 505846 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Oh. That's just an article on Iota.
< 1443468900 819139 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: are you aware of tromp's binary lambda calculus (and earlier, combinatory logic) https://tromp.github.io/cl/cl.html ?
< 1443468903 561927 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was talking about representing it in binary
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< 1443468922 679868 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: well that's pretty trivial
< 1443468943 125371 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Of course, but I'm surprised it hasn't been mentioned before xD
< 1443468951 384133 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, that is a really interesting page to me
< 1443468974 505272 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :the RT-java one
< 1443468984 598443 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice, I got lucky
< 1443469002 93189 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is ten years behind on the subject (real time, real time GC) or so.
< 1443469016 273808 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, it has an interesting approach to memory fragmentation
< 1443469037 81463 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, read the section of arraylets, I never seen that approach before
< 1443469100 202260 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, so obvious (in retrospect, of course)
< 1443469129 671913 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, yeah
< 1443469182 658729 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I guess it's a real time thing; the extra indirection *will* hurt performance, but you don't care so much about that as long as response times keep within their limits.
< 1443469193 207470 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, indeed
< 1443469209 639824 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, consistency is always more important than raw performance
< 1443469247 371362 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, also using a real time system is rather nice. The GUI just runs beautifully after startup finished. Never pausing or lagging.
< 1443469262 485433 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :(In the system I run on, startup is not real time)
< 1443469269 837079 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I work on* even
< 1443469371 777406 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Espro14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44483&oldid=44482 5* 03Timwi 5* (+832) 10
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< 1443469746 601351 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, I still wouldn't want to use real time java myself
< 1443469824 202061 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, I think using reference counting is a much better approach. And it has better performance. Combined with the right allocator (perhaps memory pools) you can still ensure properties reasonable for a real time system. Though of course, you will have to be careful of cycles
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< 1443470020 195826 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure. Reference counting has worse performance when there are many references passed around and a lot of garbage produced... however... that's likely not the case with real-time applications, especially when the developers are careful.
< 1443470060 388987 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for me, "Java" would be the thing that turns me away rather than the GC ;-) )
< 1443470076 566782 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't you get that backwards?
< 1443470098 238483 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, We use a lot of reference counting at work for stuff like messages between threads (both point to point and broadcast events). But you have to ensure that the number of objects reachable from such an event is fairly small. Don't do a long linked list using reference counting for example
< 1443470112 389851 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just do a single structure, perhaps pointing to one or two other allocations
< 1443470144 963099 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, DOpE is still a thing, nice.
< 1443470151 420569 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, DOpE?
< 1443470153 804125 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is that
< 1443470170 572530 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :it certainly sounds dope of course 
< 1443470177 841320 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :now commercial, apparently. http://www.genode-labs.com/products/graphical-user-interfaces?lang=en
< 1443470201 162779 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: you spoke of real-time GUIs and that reminded me of this.
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< 1443470235 633053 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well, technically you didn't, you spoke of a real-time system with a gui)
< 1443470241 212801 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, oh yeah, we actually run the GUI as a non-realtime thread
< 1443470247 788524 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Espro14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44484&oldid=44483 5* 03Timwi 5* (+1412) 10
< 1443470254 316788 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though it still runs smooth thanks to the rest of the system being real time
< 1443470281 556730 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, lets just say that there is no way we would run QT as anything other than a non-realtime thread
< 1443470303 652271 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that it doesn't run smooth, but it would be way too complicated to show it behaves properly
< 1443470314 35272 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1443470325 680251 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't know where to start
< 1443470331 915398 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neither would I
< 1443470352 803171 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, that is a key aspect of practical real time programming: Figuring out which parts actually need to be real time
< 1443470361 338662 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :And try to keep those parts to a minimum
< 1443470490 729559 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :that page int-e: "Scout demonstrates that a useful and graphically appealing graphical applications can be realized at low source-code complexity."
< 1443470495 9974 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :The motivation for DoPE, as I recall, was having several animations (video and the like) run concurrently, smoothly... which at the time the project was started (about 10 years ago, I think) was not yet solved by just having over-powerful hardware.
< 1443470500 880888 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I beg to differ on the second point
< 1443470521 106175 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks like a bastard of the 90s and E17
< 1443470529 953028 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I.E. terrible
< 1443470576 47275 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh the main guy there is (or was) an Atari demo coder.
< 1443470578 40617 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, we use hardware acceleration for decoding video from cameras on the machine (kind of useful to show when you are driving them remote from a control room)
< 1443470612 636243 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I'm mostly reminiscing.
< 1443470616 808735 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah
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< 1443471149 323832 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I noticed a problem with complex hyperoperations
< 1443471161 541348 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 is the successor function (but with two arguments)
< 1443471166 483572 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the predecessor function?
< 1443471168 153410 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :-0?
< 1443471251 831156 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`thanks nortti
< 1443471252 756047 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, nortti. Thortti.
< 1443471269 503242 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION blinks
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< 1443476282 200112 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hi
< 1443476287 932990 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi shachaf
< 1443476308 769753 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :see @messages hth
< 1443476478 665195 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: ooh, I was hoping that's what they'd say
< 1443476520 40702 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you forward me the email?
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< 1443477018 421134 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm making /another/ program, this one called Junction, for fun.
< 1443477032 769539 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's basically a simple programming language and a bunch of APIs thrown together
< 1443477228 174736 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you can make it read Skype messages (Skype API) and speak them (OS-specific speech API) in German (google translate API)
< 1443477279 964595 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone have requests for APIs?
< 1443477300 659648 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Yes, I've used If-this-then-that, and this is inspired as a FOSS desktop version of it)
< 1443477581 206414 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(This one is more for developers than for everyday users)
< 1443477910 344309 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Espro14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44485&oldid=44484 5* 03Timwi 5* (+429) 10
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< 1443477929 261601 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I don't think I have your email address.
< 1443477970 258651 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: ais523@bham.ac.uk (that one might not work much longer but it works right now)
< 1443478014 9520 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sent.
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< 1443478299 38530 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: OK, let me just check my filesystem and try to find the right version of the thesis
< 1443478320 35258 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(although I guess you don't particularly care which specific version it is, it's probably best to find one with typos, errors, etc., corrected)
< 1443478388 238771 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sent
< 1443478476 145832 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks!
< 1443478498 658824 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :has it arrived?
< 1443478502 19311 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep.
< 1443478507 641398 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure how soon I'll be able to look at it, though.
< 1443478630 969568 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :so many pages
< 1443478671 357626 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many is so many? 
< 1443478678 557384 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or is that, too, a secret? 
< 1443478744 592141 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: section 2.1 should probably say "finite subsets" hth
< 1443478761 312193 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you're past the point where that sort of thing is helpful, though.
< 1443478782 171981 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Not sure what I'm allowed to say.
< 1443478857 68096 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does GHC's RankNTypes work for infinite N?
< 1443478873 979570 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :GHC doesn't support infinite types.
< 1443478915 133383 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a name for a thing which is like a multiset but can have a negative number of elements?
< 1443478921 183594 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the number of pages isn't a secret
< 1443478926 949351 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :A better name than "free abelian group" or "free Z-module".
< 1443478939 156272 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was using that thing recently, anyway.
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< 1443479081 545138 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know about a mathy name, but: "This package provides an efficient implementation of so-called signed multisets (also known as hybrid sets or shadow sets), which generalise multisets by allowing for negative membership."
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< 1443479096 12300 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never heard of any of those names, and shadow sets seems to be Dark Souls terminology.
< 1443479106 950587 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :While the hybrid set search is just full of golf clubs.
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< 1443479484 374469 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So does anyone have any ideas for particularly useful APIs I could integrate into my APIzer?
< 1443479585 450033 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: fancy tdh
< 1443479619 792408 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But "free Z-module" is shorter than "signed multiset".
< 1443479730 269452 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa whoa whoa, I'm even thanked in this thesis.
< 1443479806 724824 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"free Z-module!" is what they chant on the streets, to protest against the inhumane treatment of Z-module.
< 1443479913 808065 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't include the preface with thanks in the version I sent today, because apparently you're supposed to thank the preliminary examiners, and it's not usual to thank them in advance.
< 1443479925 949441 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :AIUI, that's also why there are no thanks for the opponent in the printed version.
< 1443479953 333331 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: what thesis defence method's used in the country you're thinking of there (presumably Finland)?
< 1443480052 734920 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Finland. There's a "public examination", where you give a understandable-to-a-layperson half-an-hour lecture, and then the (usually singular, sometimes dual) opponent asks questions for, on average, two hours.
< 1443480109 601957 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :do they even have snakes in finland?
< 1443480117 268647 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The audience may also ask questions, or announce that they are going to leave a written note, which they then have a week to do.
< 1443480122 202841 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except that nobody ever does.
< 1443480133 231096 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's kind of like that question they ask in weddings.
< 1443480134 453574 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: hmm, that's very different from the UK
< 1443480145 151598 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the public exam, that is, not the weddings)
< 1443480146 944806 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Not the "do you" one, the "does anyone object" one.)
< 1443480165 8754 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't heard of anyone failing the defence, although I understand it is still possible.
< 1443480183 488061 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Normally, though, if it's actually your own work and you've passed the preliminary examination, it shouldn't happen.
< 1443480207 46386 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the UK system is: first your university finds two examiners qualified to understand and assess your thesis (this often takes months, because PhDs can be very specific and the one or two other researchers in the field might be busy)
< 1443480230 631733 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds approximate to our "preliminary examiners", of which there also two.
< 1443480234 21749 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you send them copies of the thesis to look through, and they write a preliminary report on what the thesis is like
< 1443480262 688279 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. In Finland they have 8 weeks to prepare their reports.
< 1443480272 345845 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :after that, a meeting is arranged with the examiners, and they're allowed to ask you any questions they want, to try to clarify things they didn't understand and ensure you know what you're talking about
< 1443480278 184304 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ask you "did you consider X", and the like
< 1443480343 733186 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the examiners then get to make one of these recommendations: accept the thesis as-is (this basically never happens); accept the thesis after making minor corrections; accept the thesis after making major corrections; reject the thesis and allow resubmission of a revised version; reject the thesis outright
< 1443480361 779451 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(plus a few others along the lines of "this isn't worthy of a PhD, but is worth a master's degree")
< 1443480379 954141 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :minor and major corrections are the most common; they give a list of corrections they want to see
< 1443480396 264582 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is anything from typo corrections, to asking you to redo a proof or perhaps even write a new chapter
< 1443480397 945929 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That too is pretty much the same, although the details of the allowed responses vary.
< 1443480411 614819 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :minor corrections are those which don't require new research
< 1443480424 443929 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And also I think we expect just a statement from the examiners, and it's the Doctoral Programme Committee which makes the decision, based on the statements.
< 1443480438 840326 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also reject and resubmit can only be given once against any given student, after that you either have to accept or reject outright)
< 1443480458 884691 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds much like a journal submission.
< 1443480464 449797 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least in my case, what happened is that the examiners made lists of corrections before the exam
< 1443480475 746179 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, the meeting
< 1443480519 33333 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then in the meeting, a major part was running through all the potentially controversial corrections and asking me to either defend what was literally written there or agree with them that it was wrong
< 1443480554 323581 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So far it sounds quite similar, except we don't have a meeting between the student and the pre-examiners. Although you get to prepare a written response before the Committee makes their decisions.
< 1443480565 821964 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the meeting is a pretty big part of it here
< 1443480591 215960 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Espro14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44486&oldid=44485 5* 03Timwi 5* (+563) 10
< 1443480602 789461 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :As an aside, here's something that kind of implies how rare it is to get rejected at the defence stage:
< 1443480606 8575 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[ As formal decisions on the doctoral dissertation are not made until the conclusion of the public examination, invitations to the post-doctoral party were traditionally not sent in advance. In the past, the doctoral candidate contacted the Opponent before the public examination to enquire whether the doctoral candidate could make dinner arrangements, and after obtaining a positive response, ...
< 1443480611 275994 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, I think it has three purposes: a) check for plagiarism by ensuring the student understands their work; b) work out if something wrong is the result of a fundamental or superficial problem; c) allow the student to fix mistakes made by the examiners
< 1443480612 298315 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... the candidate "hinted" at the successful outcome to the guests to be invited. Nowadays, however, doctoral candidates send invitations in advance. Permission to defend the dissertation in a public examination, given by the Doctoral Programme Committee, is sufficient indication of the quality of the dissertation. ]]
< 1443480742 184914 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Brainfuck14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44487&oldid=44464 5* 03Int-e 5* (+243) 10/* Would BF still be TC with do-while loops? */ not our bug (tm)
< 1443480744 369424 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the system's actually quite different then
< 1443480778 198149 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the meeting with the examiners is one of the most important parts in the UK, and the result is often in flux before it happens
< 1443480838 409632 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think we have an explicit plagiarism check until the public examination. I guess it hasn't really been much of a problem. As for b and c, three of the five possible decisions the Committee can make involve sending the revised manuscript back to the examiners to check that they accept the corrections.
< 1443480847 261246 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : the capital I annoys me.
< 1443480851 171960 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And you get to defend your choices in writing, if you like.)
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< 1443480872 251849 :_denis_!~denis@host125-184-dynamic.25-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello!
< 1443480881 187969 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome _denis_ 
< 1443480882 150128 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :_denis_: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: . (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.)
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< 1443481052 447077 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite a lot of places seem to have a 5-6 person panel doing the live interrogation part.
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< 1443481257 817714 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man... that disjoint-set forest algorithm.
< 1443481291 770589 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :love it, except when coding Haskell
< 1443481431 133367 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just use that other Haskell.
< 1443481469 46056 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :The one that lets you do stuff like that.
< 1443481472 534868 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? rust
< 1443481473 464951 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rust is C++ as designed by the makers of Haskell.
< 1443481496 612328 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I should do that
< 1443481561 656009 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, what's Haskell as designed by the makers of C++? That'd probably be LISP.
< 1443481662 454386 :_denis_!~denis@host125-184-dynamic.25-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1443481914 100404 :nchambers!nchambers@compilerdev.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just discovered haskell
< 1443481918 251851 :nchambers!nchambers@compilerdev.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3 it
< 1443481976 655987 :FireFly!firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: what algorithm?
< 1443481982 717455 :FireFly!firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom
< 1443481983 920486 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :porn/porn e2 to e4
< 1443481996 160866 :nchambers!nchambers@compilerdev.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :god damn it FireFly 
< 1443482000 360497 :nchambers!nchambers@compilerdev.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :get out of my channeles
< 1443482007 13480 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: the one described here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disjoint-set_data_structure#Disjoint-set_forests
< 1443482059 444991 :FireFly!firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
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< 1443482553 769206 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Espro14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44491&oldid=44490 5* 03Timwi 5* (+1) 10/* Properties and Indexers / Ecoj kaj Indeksiloj */
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< 1443483008 460524 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :today's news: trump trumpets trumped-up tax cuts!
< 1443483174 953745 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Espro14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44497&oldid=44496 5* 03Timwi 5* (+170) 10/* Statements / Ordonoj */
< 1443483229 186118 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Espro14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44498&oldid=44497 5* 03Timwi 5* (+61) 10/* Statements / Ordonoj */
< 1443483316 844805 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Espro14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44499&oldid=44498 5* 03Timwi 5* (+46) 10/* Example / Ekzemplo */
< 1443483329 815535 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't actually care about american politics but i just wanted to say that)
< 1443483455 179817 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know what's better than tax cuts?
< 1443483456 746978 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tux cats.
< 1443483488 553088 :nchambers!nchambers@compilerdev.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^
< 1443483660 777619 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :read my lips: no new tuxes
< 1443483824 737306 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Espro14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44500&oldid=44499 5* 03Timwi 5* (+826) 10/* Example / Ekzemplo */  Binary search
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< 1443483906 798479 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so is Trump still looking like potentially a serious candidate, then?
< 1443483912 205638 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Espro14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44502&oldid=44501 5* 03Timwi 5* (-1) 10
< 1443483916 513964 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sort-of assumed that he'd have given up by now
< 1443484099 468307 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :tromp_ for president
< 1443484414 513901 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Espro14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44503&oldid=44502 5* 03Timwi 5* (+0) 10/* Types / Tipoj */
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< 1443484789 912354 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I'm a member of the opposing Grand fungot Pary
< 1443484790 126603 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: foxfire says: re: fnord?? 6"
< 1443484803 497253 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wiser words have never been spoken
< 1443484887 406382 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Espro14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44507&oldid=44506 5* 03Timwi 5* (+0) 10
< 1443484889 71816 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Parry
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< 1443486353 433524 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Espro14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44509&oldid=44508 5* 03Timwi 5* (+162) 10some categories // kelkaj kategorioj
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< 1443486715 888452 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What weird formats could we encode languages in?
< 1443486748 278534 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :TXT, MIDI, and PNG are the only ones I've seen so far
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< 1443489504 65627 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would like to see a language designed with the goal of being the exact opposite of TC
< 1443489519 470644 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, an antiuring machine
< 1443489545 521344 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how would you define the opposite of TC, though?
< 1443489555 184813 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: I have made a dozen evolution and ecology simulations as a hobby, do you want to collaborate?
< 1443489598 686632 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesthiswork: On a later project, perhaps, but this one is for a school project.
< 1443489625 528097 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I don't know. Perhaps it has the power to decrease the computational class of /other/ things?
< 1443489670 30635 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesthiswork: Do you have a GitHub?
< 1443489733 826673 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not anymore, my signing certificate is out of date and browsers obsolete
< 1443489746 637728 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh :/
< 1443489748 596923 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, what?
< 1443489749 844795 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should probably get it working again
< 1443489760 364470 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no clue what any of that means xD
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< 1443489958 559816 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric : What weird formats could we encode languages in?   ais523: I don't know. Perhaps it has the power to decrease the computational class of /other/ things?
< 1443489972 535186 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I saw those, went to the toilet (for unrelated reasons), and had an esolang idea by the time I was back at the computer
< 1443489980 307845 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :time to make an article
< 1443489986 770993 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Espro14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44516&oldid=44515 5* 03Timwi 5* (+395) 10/* Types / Tipoj */
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< 1443490020 906626 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh
< 1443490064 410066 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"PLEASE READ!!!
< 1443490064 589983 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Facebook will begin stealing your undergarments at midnight tonight if you don't copy & paste this message in the next hour, forward it to everyone in your mailing list, print a hard copy for your grandmother & call your third grade teacher. This is real. I got the message first hand from Elvis who was having lunch with Bigfoot, while riding the Loch Ness monster. It was even on the inside back cover of every tabloid in the grocery store 
< 1443490064 590062 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :checkout line. Not only will Facebook start charging you tomorrow, they are also going to bill your credit card for the past 3 years of services. Luckily, each person who copies & pastes this status will receive a FREE unicorn in the mail tomorrow. However, if you don't repost this status, Facebook code has been set up to automatically set your computer on fire & harm an innocent bunny in the forest! It's all true, it was on the news! It's 
< 1443490066 963274 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :official! Facebook users will believe anything their friends copy & paste into their status (Don't forget the hearts!! All good copy and pastes gotta have hearts if not maybe no unicorn!!)"
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< 1443490173 190023 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: what's your Esolang username?
< 1443490310 229410 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Espro14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44518&oldid=44517 5* 03Timwi 5* (+284) 10/* Statements / Ordonoj */
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< 1443490576 141853 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Mornington Crescent14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44520&oldid=44154 5* 03Timwi 5* (+0) 10
< 1443490738 31261 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Mornington Crescent14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44521&oldid=44520 5* 03Timwi 5* (+0) 10/* Environment */
< 1443491088 611147 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Mornington Crescent14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44522&oldid=44521 5* 03Timwi 5* (-25) 10No longer output-only since the accumulator now starts with the value of STDIN
< 1443491733 471388 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[079014]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=44523 5* 03Ais523 5* (+3635) 10new language
< 1443491754 637276 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Ais52314]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44524&oldid=44003 5* 03Ais523 5* (+8) 10+[[90]]
< 1443491781 286364 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44525&oldid=44399 5* 03Ais523 5* (+9) 10/* Non-alphabetic */ +[[90]]
< 1443491785 743456 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there we go
< 1443491795 615198 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :any opinions on http://esolangs.org/wiki/90 ?
< 1443491821 452701 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is possibly my weirdest language ever, given that it violates my normal assumptions about what a programming language /is/
< 1443492211 461942 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also one of the least likely to be implemented, I guess, even though it's actually quite easy to implement
< 1443492223 232616 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and one highest up in the "if I'm going to test this, I'll use a VM" stakes
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< 1443493222 287796 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: does a 90 program operate on itself?
< 1443493236 144548 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: no, although two 90 programs operate on each other
< 1443493262 754629 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it did operate on itself, the details of the compiler would have a large impact on the way the program behaved
< 1443493268 530926 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and thus would probably need to be specified
< 1443493284 135983 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and one possibility would be to intentionally avoid generating patterns where possible)
< 1443493297 411370 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(so that it would be equivalent to the current case)
< 1443494284 109456 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless you have lots of 1- or 2-byte patterns, it should be possible to avoid all patterns in the source
< 1443494331 296052 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually no, there are things like syscall arguments, which can't be obfuscated
< 1443494429 189092 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a bit disappointed that this language wasn't invented by kmc
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< 1443494514 949219 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: why kmc in particular?
< 1443494805 470555 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: That language is amazing
< 1443494814 929047 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks
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< 1443494984 694227 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, this is a language that can turn a system into a theme park of nopslides
< 1443495008 725732 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ANUUUUUU
< 1443495099 33474 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's an idea for a language:
< 1443495114 242704 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :One that revolves entirely around doing things with pi AND is TC
< 1443495621 429525 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone should design languages named after /other/ circles of Hell
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< 1443497288 374164 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dis and malbolge aren't circles of hell though
< 1443497323 441101 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dis is a city in hell and malbolge is a series of pits
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< 1443512689 421863 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know, the holy war about the one true version control system is worse in some ways than the holy wars about editors or linux-based desktop environments. 
< 1443512757 736496 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the editor wars have mostly died down
< 1443512765 914434 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the DE wars have gone into reverse, since a few years ago
< 1443512779 16865 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The problem is that a lot of free software history of the last decade is stored in version control repositories. Most of the time, you just have to take snapshots or releases out of these, or submit unified diffs to maintainers. But when you have to figure out the history of a really messed up bug, you need to be able to read the original version control repo,
< 1443512780 623442 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because people have gone from claiming a particular DE is the best, to trying to find any DE that doesn't suck
< 1443512800 310270 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: :-(
< 1443512803 331094 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so you eventually may need to understand how seven or more major version control software works.
< 1443512805 78794 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :too accurate
< 1443512869 22595 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's not really installing the version control software that's difficult, but understanding how they work and how to use them, because each of them have completely different ideas about what version history is about and what data is stored.
< 1443512920 602394 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, those are mostly wars of the past, though now I mostly have that problem with editors. When I have time (i.e. never), I should write my own editor and my own irc client (the two could share a little of their code).
< 1443512955 674142 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, there are still lots of editors I like
< 1443512969 827227 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although my main editor is Emacs, which isn't exactly easy to learn
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< 1443513136 733643 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"like", sure. but none of them is perfect, and there are changes that are impossible to add to an editor later.
< 1443513179 415117 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :in particular, I use joe-editor often, and there are patches for it that make it better than the vanilla (eg. fix the longstanding bug that it often can't use the last column of the terminal), but there's one thing that's really hardwired and can't be changed without rewriting most of it:
< 1443513196 948781 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :namely that it insists on displaying one line of the text file in one line of the screen only.
< 1443513214 649097 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most editors can break a line of the text file to multiple screen lines, which is often useful.
< 1443513267 890791 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :When you only want to fix minor things, such as the behavior of particular commands, or the keyboard layout, sure, you can do those in many editors.
< 1443513292 612173 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Part of the problem is also that I'm not sure what exactly I want from an editor, and I have to figure that out too.
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< 1443513404 798005 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :In particular, I can't decide if I want an modeless editor, a moded editor (with a separate insert and normal mode like vim), or a hybrid.
< 1443513442 347499 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I just got a spam email offering to publish my thesis as a book, but I could tell it was spam from the fact that it had clearly been mail-merged and not written very well
< 1443513463 69950 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(then I decided to websearch the name of the company, and it confirmed my suspicions)
< 1443513467 946475 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :So when I write the editor, I should probably try to make the best moded layout I can, and try to use it for a while, then decide if that's what I want.
< 1443513478 126565 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: oh, academic spam?
< 1443513484 526992 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I "like" the fact that they tried to buy the rights to the thesis without even reading it
< 1443513496 654887 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(from shachaf's experience recently, I know that they haven't read it)
< 1443513515 41319 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(unless shachaf works for them, which I seriously doubt given the email contents)
< 1443513572 878131 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :my plan is to make a fortune selling illicit copies of ais523's thesis to the unsuspecting public *MWAHAHAHA*
< 1443513593 116278 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VDM_Publishing#Criticism
< 1443513633 736640 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I may have seen some of their books.
< 1443513646 417692 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the worst part of the version control war is the developers that don't make releases and insist that "the easiest way" to get their software or to get old versions is to use their favourite version control software and check out a snapshot (or tagged version) from their archive.
< 1443513654 55465 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or at least some people selling Wikipedia books on Amazon.
< 1443513654 233493 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: if that was your plan, you'd probably have asked me for permission as shachaf, rather than pretending to be a spammer
< 1443513681 723261 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :They seem to think that the easiest way to get software is for you to speak all seven or more version control software.
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< 1443513685 324452 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Brainfuck14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44528&oldid=44487 5* 03Rdebath 5* (+468) 10Would BF still be TC with do-while loops? --> TC demonstrated
< 1443513696 462236 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: which part of "illicit" was unclear
< 1443513699 702332 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it even possible for someone to know six or more of them? I think the knowledge may be mutually exclusive.
< 1443513737 56450 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I think it's not that hard to use whatever VCS to check out the software, especially if they have instructions
< 1443513741 855135 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: OK, put it a different way round: if you were going to illicitly publish copies of my thesis you probably wouldn't have asked for permission
< 1443513748 570982 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :in particular, you don't really need to know it to do that
< 1443513788 225157 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: let's see, I know git and darcs quite well, have used svn and rcs without real issues (rcs sucks but there's not much to learn), know the basics of hg, and sporadically work on the design of scapegoat
< 1443513800 894824 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: yes, luckily if you just want to check it out, then it's generally not too hard. at least that's what you think until you realize that some versions of one of those seven version control system automatically executes on-checkout hooks on your client system when you checkout a version.
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< 1443513816 268900 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: wait, rcs still exists? 
< 1443513831 432052 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: without asking for permission, and not getting it, how can i guarantee that the copies are illicit?
< 1443513857 783509 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :posing as a spammer may be the best way to not get permission
< 1443513857 983145 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: yes; basically because it's an executable that can be freely copied, nobody's suceeded in eradicating all copies from existence yet
< 1443513892 511358 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: a VCS that executes checkout hooks stored in a remote repository on your local system contains a security bug
< 1443513897 525463 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :But by posing as a spammer, ais523 is almost certainly not going to reply, so you will not get denied permission
< 1443513899 70426 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and would likely be excluded from repos on that basis
< 1443513928 685614 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yeah, I know, that's the problem, once one of these version controls are used, they'll exist forever. that's the whole problem. 
< 1443513994 495389 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, most people think so. but some people apparently think that the only thing you'd ever want to checkout with a vcs is software that you'd immediately compile and run with the same permissions on the same machine so it's not really a security bug, or something like that. it's crazy.
< 1443514026 197595 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: hopefully distro package maintainers aren't those people
< 1443514075 395900 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they fixed that in later versions of that vcs or something. I hope.
< 1443514093 320065 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not even sure which vcs it was. I should try to find it out.
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< 1443514280 53699 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Brainfuck14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44529&oldid=44528 5* 03Rdebath 5* (+364) 10/* Would BF still be TC with do-while loops? */
< 1443514312 100508 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it was darcs that executed such commands on a darcs get
< 1443514357 370150 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :             --prompt-posthook                                           prompt before running posthook [DEFAULT]
< 1443514365 811838 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I wonder if the --prompt-posthook can be overriden by the repo itself?
< 1443514376 492048 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if not, it's not actually a bug (although it is a bit dubious UI-wise)
< 1443514399 585164 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's also --no-posthook, but the question is, is that the default with newer versions of darcs?
< 1443514438 599519 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :--prompt-posthook is the default in my currently installed version (that's what my paste was about)
< 1443514508 609340 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does it prompt? (as you know, I really prefer prefix switches over unexpected prompts ui-wise)
< 1443514522 94142 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope it doesn't just, like, say "press enter to run posthook" or something
< 1443514565 913225 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or even print "posthook? " to mimic a password prompt, but with the terminal echo on.
< 1443514597 112979 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, password prompts should really tell more than just "password: "
< 1443514605 118930 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's probably a yn prompt
< 1443514606 130074 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :most do, but some software is still stupid
< 1443514616 850277 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also darcs prompts a lot, so you're already in yn prompt mode at that point
< 1443514622 659628 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the docs don't imply that hooks can be copied between repos
< 1443514639 409177 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me test this
< 1443514680 49632 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't even find much info about this darcs-get thing. maybe it never really existed, just some people who preferred another vcs has accidentally made the info up when he didn't understand darcs.
< 1443514689 708943 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(some mercurial people probably)
< 1443514816 675168 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: so I tested: a) there doesn't seem to be any prompt about the posthook by default (contrary to the docs), but b) cloning/pulling from a repo doesn't copy hooks at all
< 1443514829 423079 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there's no security issue there
< 1443514850 649894 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, it's probably some mercurial guys that made that problem up then
< 1443514851 959714 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :whew
< 1443514897 143816 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is a warning in the docs that you should never create a hook that runs files in the repo itself
< 1443514906 30706 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is a generally applicable rule, not darcs-specific
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< 1443514914 204816 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: sure, that makes sense
< 1443514915 88064 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's actually a good point, I should probably fix that in NH4
< 1443514925 843453 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I am doing that
< 1443514928 401159 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually I don't think I am
< 1443514930 261951 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just running git
< 1443514972 594132 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in an access-controlled central repo, be VERY careful if you want to store the files defining permissions or authentication inside the repo
< 1443514973 89285 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes, the script in the repo gets /copied/ to the hook dir, and then isn't referenced thereafter
< 1443514974 688695 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I'm fine
< 1443514985 86740 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: people do that?
< 1443514994 32974 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: rarely, but some do
< 1443515089 559749 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it might be the same people that put the file containing the administrator password of a web-based something system (possibly also reused as THE password for everything in house) to a file that's remotely accessible under over http with a predictable name;
< 1443515114 322285 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or the ones who put database server hostnames and passwords into the source files they upload to github.
< 1443515154 819695 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :In theory it's possible to do safely, if you use the same access control files to make sure those files can't be accessed through the vcs server, but it's a bad idae.
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< 1443515273 831611 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: it's still dangerous in that it gives anyone with the rights to write to the repo the rights to do anything with the repo
< 1443515321 843689 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no, this is for repos that are per-path access controlled
< 1443515347 149274 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you give access to people to write only some paths and read only some paths
< 1443515363 471069 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's rarely useful, but some people want some things
< 1443515587 911896 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :svn has that thing for the servers, but I don't think I've heard of anyone putting the ACLs inside. Still, I don't doubt it isn't done.
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< 1443515689 635246 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a long are-you-sure section about the path-based access control in the SVN book
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< 1443515827 698555 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"don't doubt it isn't done" hehehe
< 1443515875 418920 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There were too many negatives for me to survive through writing that.
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< 1443516501 221587 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :incidentally, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_version_control_software is a huge table giving a lot of info
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< 1443519783 631894 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar ENVA
< 1443519785 246551 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :ENVA 290920Z 07004KT 020V130 CAVOK 14/08 Q1029 NOSIG RMK WIND 670FT 16009KT
< 1443520216 269234 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell shachaf  But "free Z-module" is shorter than "signed multiset". <-- i think the former is a set of the latter hth
< 1443520216 486435 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1443520758 375394 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh, program randomly crashes sometimes
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< 1443520934 397154 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :better than randomly crashing always hth
< 1443521988 452720 :FireFly!firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly
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< 1443524073 773370 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid question. is there any compiler (C or other language) where as an optimization you can give hints (in eg. function attributes) that two functions are linked so that if you want to compute the result of both on the same input arguments then it's faster to call a third function that computes the result of both? eg. you'd declare a function that computes both sin and cos, or sinh and cosh.
< 1443524136 435322 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the more difficult version, the same but for objects that point to heap-allocated data that changes its values, such as bigints or bignums, where you'd use it for bigint quo-rem, div-mod, sin-cos, sinh-cosh
< 1443524191 10075 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, maybe I should ask this on Haskell
< 1443524193 343248 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :um
< 1443524195 432155 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :on #haskell
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< 1443524964 860891 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Brainfuck14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44530&oldid=44529 5* 03Int-e 5* (+420) 10/* Would BF still be TC with do-while loops? */ what a coincidence
< 1443525161 309231 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I'm tempted to say that using quotRem constitutes such a hint... but it's very unsubtle.
< 1443525180 436874 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: well sure, you can call the combined function explicitly
< 1443525255 553907 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and *fixint* quotient and remainder (and possibly also for machine float sin-cos and sinh-cosh) often want to be compiler intrinsics again where the compiler performs both this optimization and often other specific optimizations.
< 1443525278 93065 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I wonder if there's a compiler that can automatically do this transformation for user-defined functions
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< 1443525405 249119 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :In particular, you can certainly call mpfr_sin_cos or mpfr_sinh_cosh explicitly on libmpfr bignums
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< 1443528563 112151 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :study[i]ng
< 1443528566 198970 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :h[i]tler
< 1443528569 191425 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :open your eyes
< 1443528635 692931 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: hi there
< 1443528636 83842 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: lli' fnord nkith ni fnord jonkun. two semicolons work much better.
< 1443528653 43727 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, that could have gone better
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< 1443529853 449098 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07GolfScript14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44531&oldid=43913 5* 03160.85.232.142 5* (+30) 10/* External resources */
< 1443529928 468513 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Category:Golfing language14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=44532 5* 03160.85.232.142 5* (+110) 10Created page with "Golfing languages are languages specifically designed for [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Code_golf| Codegolf]."
< 1443530207 911372 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Category:Golfing language14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44533&oldid=44532 5* 03Ais523 5* (-18) 10fix broken link syntax; also, IP, you probably shouldn't be creating new categories without discussion
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< 1443531090 214430 :mroman_!~mroman@160.85.232.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: pardon. I'm guilty of that @creating category
< 1443531119 251579 :mroman_!~mroman@160.85.232.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've actually even added a link from Wikipedia to that category.
< 1443531120 309837 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: so the story goes, that back in the days when Graue was Dictator Of The Wiki, a well-meaning new user decided to sort the esolangs by year
< 1443531131 241388 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and created a bunch of new categories
< 1443531136 385144 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Graue got annoyed at this and banned the user
< 1443531159 304845 :mroman_!~mroman@160.85.232.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :To discourage people from adding their own languages as "well-known" to the wikipedia code golf article
< 1443531162 304708 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the "don't create new categories without permission" rule was added in an attempt to inform people about what happened
< 1443531176 157767 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: I actually saw the link at Wikipedia
< 1443531181 682779 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we have more than one golfing language, though
< 1443531187 239023 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'm not sure we currently categorize by language purpose
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< 1443531269 500149 :mroman_!~mroman@160.85.232.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: It wouldn't make sense for most probably.
< 1443531294 852040 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I think esolangs can be classified into a few purposes
< 1443531305 186183 :mroman_!~mroman@160.85.232.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I'm not saying they can't.
< 1443531310 382201 :mroman_!~mroman@160.85.232.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obviously I'm already doing exactly that :D
< 1443531337 184073 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Pyth14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44538&oldid=42402 5* 03160.85.232.142 5* (+31) 10/* External resources */ + cat:golfing language
< 1443531363 437342 :mroman_!~mroman@160.85.232.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw: Does the esowiki have a cache pre-hooked to the webserver?
< 1443531389 641745 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :some esolangs are designed to be art, or ask philosophical questions about what a language is (there's sort-of an overlap there)
< 1443531397 507090 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :some esolangs are designed to be a language with specific properties
< 1443531421 501696 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :some are designed to be easy to implement (often but not always because the creator isn't that good at implementing languages, e.g. Deadfish)
< 1443531441 194970 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :some are designed in an attempt to find new computational models
< 1443531445 899286 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and some are designed to look weird
< 1443531447 961120 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :any other groups?
< 1443531481 442030 :mroman_!~mroman@160.85.232.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just don't think that promoting your esolang on wikipedia unless it has really picked up a lot of relevance and/or existed for several years is what wikipedia would really want.
< 1443531490 638943 :mroman_!~mroman@160.85.232.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So the place to promote them is the esowiki in my opinion.
< 1443531526 39611 :mroman_!~mroman@160.85.232.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does "mimick brainfuck" count? :D
< 1443531542 593903 :mroman_!~mroman@160.85.232.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that already exists anyway
< 1443531564 465843 :mroman_!~mroman@160.85.232.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :My languages are ALWAYS defined to be easily parseable with parsec
< 1443531603 557994 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: actually I think part of the original motivation for creating Esolang was to help keep Wikipedia tidy (or to put it another way: to save all the languages that people were posting to Wikipedia even though it violated Wikipedia policy)
< 1443531627 569783 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was heavily involved in that from the Wikipedia side
< 1443531650 189993 :mroman_!~mroman@160.85.232.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which was a good choice. Otherwise you'd clobber wikipedia with thousands of esolangs and most of them barely have any relevance.
< 1443531670 194852 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :here's links to the history: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Ais523/esolangafd
< 1443531674 662846 :mroman_!~mroman@160.85.232.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait... wrong verb
< 1443531676 206922 :mroman_!~mroman@160.85.232.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :clutter?
< 1443531711 188047 :mroman_!~mroman@160.85.232.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I guess beating up wikipedia is fine in that context too.
< 1443531803 35852 :mroman_!~mroman@160.85.232.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interesting @link
< 1443531807 258161 :mroman_!~mroman@160.85.232.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't know that happened.
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< 1443532191 193816 :mroman_!~mroman@160.85.232.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also tournaments by language on wp is wrong anyway
< 1443532200 752197 :mroman_!~mroman@160.85.232.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :jagc doesn't feature all those languages in the list
< 1443532205 515702 :mroman_!~mroman@160.85.232.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's only the list for anagol
< 1443532217 881904 :mroman_!~mroman@160.85.232.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'm not even sure if you'd want to list all the languages available on anagol there
< 1443532303 759182 :mroman_!~mroman@160.85.232.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :jagc features perl, python, erlang, ruby, haskell bash and php
< 1443532366 594577 :mroman_!~mroman@160.85.232.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shorten on spoj features a lot of languages but not as much esolangs as anagol does
< 1443532913 805133 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: how about http://codegolf.stackexchange.com/ ?
< 1443533172 550413 :mroman_!~mroman@160.85.232.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want you can add it to the wp article. Stackexchange is mentioned under "external links"
< 1443533228 93999 :mroman_!~mroman@160.85.232.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I personally don't like codegolf.stackexchange.com since it has no means of validation/byte count whatever
< 1443533252 830705 :mroman_!~mroman@160.85.232.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It tends to have more complex problems though.
< 1443533257 949882 :mroman_!~mroman@160.85.232.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as on other site with automatic validation
< 1443533287 445492 :mroman_!~mroman@160.85.232.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sites
< 1443533298 567155 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@140.193.116.110 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443533341 114888 :mroman_!~mroman@160.85.232.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are two external links, one to stackoverflow with tag and one to codegolf.stackexchange
< 1443533350 564985 :mroman_!~mroman@160.85.232.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess codegolf.stackexchange is newer
< 1443533395 621173 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: yes, that's the problem, no automatic validation. it does have simple golf problems though.
< 1443533403 800016 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :both simple ones and very complicated ones.
< 1443533485 940271 :mroman_!~mroman@160.85.232.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's why I don't like it. Problems are often broad.
< 1443533503 247926 :mroman_!~mroman@160.85.232.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do they want a program? Or just a function. Is input passed as arguments, read from stdin or is in a variable
< 1443533506 258850 :mroman_!~mroman@160.85.232.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever
< 1443533548 143847 :mroman_!~mroman@160.85.232.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get that people don't like anagol that much because it looks like a site from the 19** something :D
< 1443533563 802958 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: yes, the specs are sometimes too broad
< 1443533579 662144 :mroman_!~mroman@160.85.232.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there's no social media involvement with anagol and that stuff
< 1443533588 111481 :mroman_!~mroman@160.85.232.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't comment on other people's solution
< 1443533601 230987 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: there's an irc channel but yeahs
< 1443533601 409012 :mroman_!~mroman@160.85.232.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that's why most who'd consider golfing don't like anagol too much
< 1443533617 441712 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe there should be an officially recommended mailing list for it?
< 1443533635 171237 :mroman_!~mroman@160.85.232.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sadly don't have the resources available to make a more friendly page
< 1443533642 923630 :mroman_!~mroman@160.85.232.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise I'd already done that.
< 1443533643 540874 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't care about friendly page
< 1443533658 487842 :mroman_!~mroman@160.85.232.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :me neither
< 1443533680 112061 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if the site recommended an official off-site forum, such as a mailing list, that might help
< 1443533680 290169 :mroman_!~mroman@160.85.232.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's the IRC channel @mailling list
< 1443533736 38216 :mroman_!~mroman@160.85.232.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1443533741 702818 :mroman_!~mroman@160.85.232.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my hosters mailling list service is broken
< 1443533747 860446 :mroman_!~mroman@160.85.232.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they aren't going to fix that
< 1443533750 483393 :mroman_!~mroman@160.85.232.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the f*ck
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< 1443533794 890670 :mroman_!~mroman@160.85.232.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that surely can't be legal
< 1443533804 436771 :mroman_!~mroman@160.85.232.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if they advertise it, they have to actually provide it I'd say
< 1443533808 886302 :nycs!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com NICK :`^_^v
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< 1443534893 288900 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there an article about that golf prelude for ruby1.8 on the esowiki yet?
< 1443534927 142959 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:B jonas14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44539&oldid=44275 5* 03B jonas 5* (+23) 10
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< 1443535032 139038 :mroman_!~mroman@160.85.232.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know.
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< 1443537741 355027 :mroman_!~mroman@160.85.232.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codepad.org/jXREgoR1 <- my brain's idea or a new board game
< 1443537744 738033 :mroman_!~mroman@160.85.232.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*for
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< 1443538007 919356 :mroman_!~mroman@160.85.232.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm tempted to write a program that spawns to programs battling each other
< 1443538016 577015 :mroman_!~mroman@160.85.232.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :while feeding them the data through stdin/stdout
< 1443538024 98891 :mroman_!~mroman@160.85.232.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can battle programs and strategies
< 1443538035 561242 :mroman_!~mroman@160.85.232.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*two
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< 1443539038 639427 :Melvar`!~melvar@dslb-092-072-164-249.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de NICK :Melvar
< 1443539623 324676 :APic!apic@apic.name QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds
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< 1443542455 485540 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
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< 1443543441 460431 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no. more macros with short names. just what this code needs.
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< 1443544048 612302 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: true
< 1443544060 382719 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@massages
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< 1443544627 764806 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Espro14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44540&oldid=44518 5* 03Timwi 5* (+0) 10/* Examples / Ekzemploj */
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< 1443549323 246806 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Not really here
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< 1443551592 202652 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi
< 1443551615 427504 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :@msg oerjan What's the Funge98 vulnerability? Or can you not tell me?
< 1443551615 605374 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not enough privileges
< 1443551622 390954 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan What's the Funge98 vulnerability? Or can you not tell me?
< 1443551622 569059 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1443551697 302791 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ds01-214-177.dynamic.mtsallstream.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1443551791 969118 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], hm?
< 1443551795 872655 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is that about?
< 1443551827 923227 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], as a Funge-98 implementer I'm curious
< 1443551844 779764 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless he is talking about the thing I found in my own implementation the other day
< 1443551985 924176 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I think it was about that.
< 1443551995 826374 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah
< 1443551999 127066 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I don't think oerjan said anything else than just setting the topic.
< 1443552017 803557 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It's the topic xD
< 1443552022 281664 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah
< 1443552032 737518 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see that much, since I never leave
< 1443552039 184450 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :With the bouncer that is
< 1443552062 680464 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, yeah the only thing I found since then is that nested k can get you stack overflow (unsurprisingly)
< 1443552092 840204 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :It won't even be possible to rewrite it into tail recursion in the general case I believe
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< 1443552104 328615 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope
< 1443552161 40446 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, but that is unavoidable
< 1443552292 53593 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, anyway, how goes jitfunge?
< 1443552775 626554 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No news there.
< 1443552796 910555 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been quite busy lately, what with the job and finishing up the thesis, to be fair.
< 1443552817 238717 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which reminds me, time to start getting home, it's almost 8pm here. ->
< 1443552837 786621 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa whoa whoa
< 1443552840 74118 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :drizzie
< 1443552840 794223 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, it appears all random variable behaviour involves HRTI, TIME or y
< 1443552964 41462 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe NICK :rhyfel
< 1443552976 250890 :rhyfel!nortti@ayu.smar.moe NICK :nortti
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< 1443553605 388119 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bah. The network of my mobile phone operator is otherwise reasonably okay, but there's this one corner of Victoria Station where I just can't get any sort of signal.
< 1443553625 470369 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not even all of the station, just these few platforms.
< 1443553974 204509 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd like to see a list-like data structure where the length can be any hypercomplex number
< 1443553978 942793 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or at least gaussian integers
< 1443554054 344049 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], how would it work
< 1443554056 982566 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or perhaps a past-tense programming language
< 1443554064 775006 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If there are any nurses or doctors on this station, please make your way to platform 13, where your assistance is needed."
< 1443554073 264704 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: That is left as an excersise for the reader
< 1443554074 430716 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD
< 1443554081 735196 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought that was something they only did on planes.
< 1443554083 768997 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no clue, really. How would imaginary items work in a list?
< 1443554139 821246 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Won't that just be a linked plane?
< 1443554147 855478 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Maybe
< 1443554176 432920 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps a programming language like python, but where all data has an actual spatial relation to each other (sort of like a BFian tape, but with actual variables)
< 1443554260 54806 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Object-Oriented Brainfuck14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=44541 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+157) 10Reserved Page
< 1443554282 131464 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], well, that is called memory? Given, say int a and int b, then &a - &b  is the distance measurement between them in C
< 1443554292 602442 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh right xDF
< 1443554294 627326 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some casting required if we are dealing with disparate types
< 1443554298 96882 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/F//
< 1443554307 611303 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :This if of course one-dimensional
< 1443554315 44238 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But in python, memory location is irrelevant
< 1443554326 307643 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but I was not talking about python
< 1443554334 411465 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway you can get it using id()
< 1443554340 176883 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Also very undefined by standard if we're referring to separate objects.
< 1443554361 780110 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :A function which always annoy me, since I think it should be identity (for use with higher order functions)
< 1443554375 179291 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, well yes
< 1443554388 94151 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know you weren't
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< 1443554908 185745 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Flappy Bird Combinator"
< 1443556122 739162 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are negative Church Numerals possible?
< 1443556140 78158 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1443556152 518633 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh :/
< 1443556174 151033 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even with some convoluted λ-calcular operations on normal Chruch Numerals?
< 1443556180 587065 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1443556186 615344 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, the document I just read defined the predecessor function
< 1443556194 45627 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What would happen if I called P(0)
< 1443556211 364134 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 f x = f x
< 1443556236 621856 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK...
< 1443556237 967480 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um...
< 1443556344 342070 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :(-1 + 1) f x = -1 f (1 f x) = -1 f (f x) = 0 f x = x
< 1443556380 741879 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus -1 f is the inverse of f, but lambda expressions do not have inverses in general
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< 1443556576 252576 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh :/
< 1443556592 888979 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wiki seems to think it's possible with Church Pairs or something
< 1443556624 766184 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you can come up with a different encoding, yeah
< 1443556647 419114 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something about a pair with the first being the positive and the second being the negative, then swapping the values
< 1443556673 664449 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i wouldn't call it a church numeral because church numerals are, to me, repeated function application
< 1443556733 54477 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah
< 1443556796 450141 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well I think it'd make the most sense to represent a number as some sort of pair if definining complex numbers...
< 1443556802 828517 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, duh
< 1443556814 906861 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :honestly? you're best off abstracting
< 1443556823 986456 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :How so?
< 1443556836 282964 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know enough about λ-calculus to understand what that means xD
< 1443556853 968011 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Assuming it's not the traditional meaning of "abstraction")
< 1443556860 683611 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is the traditional meaning
< 1443556861 51180 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That is, a special meaning)
< 1443556887 207003 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have naturals, pairs and equality, you can just build the rest of your types from there
< 1443556888 252549 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah
< 1443556912 36381 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps I could define some sort of "~" function that takes a number in whatever encoding I use and returns its inverse
< 1443556914 570495 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't really need to waste time coming up with clever, elegant encodings
< 1443556941 990115 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And i that takes an argument and returns its complex equivalent
< 1443556949 625623 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course no cleverness can be done xD
< 1443556971 467146 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Figure out @'s λ encoding xD
< 1443557040 533855 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still barely understand the λ-calculus
< 1443557052 657557 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I understand that it has to do with moving around variables. I think. That's about it.
< 1443557058 64351 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to read the expressions better
< 1443557060 63915 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/rwg/aes-horror-shows/tree/master/msp430-microcorruption
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< 1443557180 344329 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I /think/ I get how it works, but it's hard to wrap my head around. λxy.yxXY = YX, correct?
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< 1443557229 145597 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You seem to know enough about it to tell me if I'm right. Am I?
< 1443557277 200509 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1443557296 885983 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i never wasted that much time on learning the variable substitution semantics though
< 1443557309 404117 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're functions, they behave the way you expect functions to
< 1443557311 472197 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1443557342 944902 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I decided to remove special operations from my λ-calculator, as I feel it isn't very λ-calculy
< 1443557362 809733 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you can't do 2+2. You have to do +22
< 1443557365 639772 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And *22
< 1443557378 859982 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And E(+22)(*22)
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< 1443557538 613728 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which evaluates to T
< 1443557553 739531 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love how 0 is lambdaly equivalent to F
< 1443557555 133991 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think
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< 1443557882 703105 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Brainfuck14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44542&oldid=44167 5* 0350.206.146.226 5* (+118) 10added Portal
< 1443557905 441898 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], 0 is \x y.y
< 1443557931 32833 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't really have a name apart from that
< 1443557937 768711 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 is id, though
< 1443557962 63479 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh duh, you mean 0 is false
< 1443558000 421956 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Exactly. λsz.z == λxy.y
< 1443558033 983086 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where λsz.z is how the document I read defines Church 0 and λxy.y is how it defines the Boolean False
< 1443558034 876456 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't it K?
< 1443558061 222483 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, k is true is \x y.x
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< 1443558587 835252 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course that's just a convention; the idea is that if-then-else can be the identity function.
< 1443558630 334264 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@2a02:a448:4a62:0:548d:2bb6:e105:b48e QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1443558737 458562 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if-then-else b t f = b t f, and the truth values are \t f.t (i.e., K) and \t f.f (i.e., K I)
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< 1443562062 27549 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages
< 1443562082 578091 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: just joking about Vorpal's discovery
< 1443562090 613707 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh xD
< 1443562189 884358 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :otoh it _does_ allow arbitrary native code execution, otoh you can probably do that from funge98 in more direct ways.
< 1443562209 273979 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well, probably allows)
< 1443562394 193279 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What kind of logic is this from: \forall(x): (x->y)->(w->z)    ?
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< 1443562819 895405 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: something that allows quantifying over propositions... probably not very specific.
< 1443562838 398912 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1443562852 782824 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really just need to know about the (x->y)->(w->z) part
< 1443562867 358783 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. -> is probably implication.
< 1443562867 694998 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I published LIME
< 1443562888 362250 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is; the if-then of mathematics
< 1443562891 886358 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what kind of implication would depend on the logic.
< 1443562926 20234 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :x->y means that if x is true, then y is true. x and y are booleans, or some similar type.
< 1443562942 295742 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well in that case, classical logic
< 1443562968 91031 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :LIME is now up and has a BUNCH of planned calculators, including the GUM calculator (Grand Unified Math)
< 1443562984 973777 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i suppose it depends on what "x is true" means.
< 1443562995 907920 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, everything is unicode :)
< 1443562997 266452 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could interpret that as intuitionistic too.
< 1443563014 945198 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :x <-> true = x is valid for intuitionistic predicates as well.
< 1443563040 219587 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm currently doing the Arithmetic engine because it's needed for Set Theory
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< 1443563051 87877 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I support complex numbers in it?
< 1443563056 741850 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not
< 1443563057 636047 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps in a different, derived one
< 1443563061 590694 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1443563138 475339 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll write the arithmetical calculator, then prealgebraic calculator derived from it
< 1443563189 430117 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: classical logic is what ordinary math tends to use.  but intuitionistic logic is more popular for theorem provers because it fits better to the curry-howard "programs as proofs" correspondence.
< 1443563197 956440 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1443563285 268170 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in intuitionistic logic, (x -> false) -> false is not equal to x
< 1443563304 302468 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(generally)
< 1443563314 675455 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :really, HOL, Coq and Isabelle/HOL, Isabelle/FOL, Isabelle/ZF all use classical logic (the Isabelle/Pure framework is intuitionistic though, I believe)
< 1443563326 721390 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the other channel we were talking about "at least one" and "at most one"
< 1443563342 867271 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: hm ok
< 1443563345 276244 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :exists, +, surjective, total, relevant, at least one
< 1443563358 492628 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :unique, ?, injective, functional, affine, at most one
< 1443563365 18499 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :so many names for the same concepts
< 1443563402 867037 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: that means there has to be something categorical unifying them, right?
< 1443563419 488283 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I should write the first HOL and HOL4.
< 1443563570 340967 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: does it?
< 1443563582 19439 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: of course if you want to run a proof as code, you better avoid classical tools like the axiom of choice and the law of excluded middle. but in Coq they're still available for proving properties of functions.
< 1443563591 785325 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i'm just trying to make a joke that's probably true hth
< 1443563636 244869 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: ok, so i guess it depends on where you are on the sliding scale between theorem prover and dependently typed PL
< 1443563644 231882 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed.
< 1443563704 999314 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had somehow the impression that Coq was intuitionistic at the core but classical logic was just one added axiom if you needed it.
< 1443563820 80898 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh, I guess we're also discussing where the theorem prover ends and where user-written theories start
< 1443563825 952045 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1443563863 474249 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hasn't ever got around to do much more than staring blankly at Coq's startup screen.
< 1443563921 186680 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't used Coq seriously either, but I'm using Isabelle quite a bit.
< 1443563962 17229 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :afk
< 1443564034 576252 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Which is definitely at the theorem prover end of the spectrum. But it supports functional programming style function definitions and can export them as code. So you can produce verified software with it.)
< 1443564146 711406 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Commercial14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44543&oldid=43977 5* 03LegionMammal978 5* (+23) 10/* Hello, world! */
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< 1443565668 923498 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07ABCD14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44544&oldid=35541 5* 03LegionMammal978 5* (+1294) 10
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< 1443566001 392985 :_denis_!~denis@host125-184-dynamic.25-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi!
< 1443566311 561215 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb1154w-ds01-161-81-114.dynamic.mtsallstream.net JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1443566874 631322 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi!
< 1443566886 195638 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION thinks the number of italians is going up steeply
< 1443566895 47596 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ciao
< 1443566897 981009 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :!list
< 1443566909 304628 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, shachaf, you're not allowed to be italian too
< 1443566979 306416 :_denis_!~denis@host125-184-dynamic.25-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it PRIVMSG #esoteric :ciao
< 1443566992 929045 :_denis_!~denis@host125-184-dynamic.25-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf
< 1443567023 42302 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you don't sound sorry
< 1443567033 112915 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: did you see my failed attempt at oerjaning earlier
< 1443567034 823941 :_denis_!~denis@host125-184-dynamic.25-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan I'm italian :')
< 1443567041 334701 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sound transmits badly through irc hth
< 1443567061 180297 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :_denis_: that's what i noticed, and you're the second to arrive recently
< 1443567078 668045 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :who was the first one
< 1443567083 411090 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :was it also _denis_
< 1443567086 920946 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION points at izabera 
< 1443567097 254452 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin is also italian hth
< 1443567103 255634 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :SKEPTICAL
< 1443567130 481792 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i remember that copumpkin has a funny last name that's not at all italian-sounding.  i just don't remember what it is.
< 1443567150 567561 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://plus.google.com/+DanielPeebles/about
< 1443567241 838993 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what order are those places in
< 1443567250 845691 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*is
< 1443567286 947141 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION thinks norwegian UI nationalization looks eery on that page
< 1443567355 832664 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the most annoying thing about nationalized UIs is that you never know how to explain or search for things
< 1443567425 965815 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :turn it to english hth
< 1443567454 792848 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: how are the working conditions of a sponge, anyway?  maybe i should consider a new career...
< 1443567510 636293 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is your current career?
< 1443567524 927189 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :disabled hth
< 1443567556 665407 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i have a feeling that i might be able to cope with being a sponge
< 1443567590 311036 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :sponge (animal) or sponge (material)?
< 1443567599 76252 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1443567619 669107 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm tricky
< 1443567640 865003 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i might not be that good with underwater conditions
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< 1443569095 342750 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it's a lot of fun
< 1443569114 789556 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not really italian, but I grew up in italy and fit in pretty well
< 1443569155 619432 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh
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< 1443569807 299775 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :helO!
< 1443569921 607011 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wut is Du criticL funj nInE At vulnRabilitE?
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< 1443570530 276172 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443570650 875608 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellørjan. critical funge vuln?
< 1443570754 953110 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving.
< 1443570910 23715 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: I think it's in Vorpal's Funge-98 interpreter
< 1443570936 681736 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavellon[1]! the horror!
< 1443570947 839896 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vellorpal. do you corroborate?
< 1443571045 342333 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-jmetzrkgnlfyzzjp QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1443571093 138454 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc it involved stack stack operations giving access to out of bound memory
< 1443571326 592153 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? stack stack
< 1443571329 168080 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :stack stack? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1443571399 738675 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wwcgshwycftucfcz QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity
< 1443571412 394617 :atrapado!~atrapado@unaffiliated/atrapado QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1443571589 862619 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :see funge98 spec hth
< 1443571654 433447 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-164-249.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blerg. How does one find out the size of C types when one is not in C?
< 1443571712 610210 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought of a new elementary programming challenge
< 1443571715 587679 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Goldfish"
< 1443571726 565524 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You take input
< 1443571734 638837 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Put "Blub" between each word
< 1443571778 13266 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And a certain number of words in, cut off the word halfway through and append "- OH MY *BLUB* GOD IT'S A *BLUB* CAT"
< 1443572135 111018 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07ABCD14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44545&oldid=44544 5* 03LegionMammal978 5* (+25) 10
< 1443572446 658168 :FireFly!firefly@oftn/member/FireFly QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
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< 1443573401 892134 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1443573436 591616 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :♪ fish go bluuuub ♪
< 1443573841 489466 :heddwch!~heddwch@76.8.3.189 JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1443575085 850153 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let f inp = let (xs,x) = (init &&& last) (words inp) in intercalate " *BLUB* " (xs ++ [take (length x `div` 2) x]) ++ "- OH MY *BLUB* GOD IT'S A *BLUB* CAT" in f "welcome to esolang everyone"
< 1443575087 560420 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : "welcome *BLUB* to *BLUB* esolang *BLUB* ever- OH MY *BLUB* GOD IT'S A *BLUB...
< 1443575167 332061 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :?let goldfish inp = let (xs,x) = (init &&& last) (words inp) in intercalate " *BLUB* " (xs ++ [take (length x `div` 2) x]) ++ "- OH MY *BLUB* GOD IT'S A *BLUB* CAT"
< 1443575169 418225 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Defined.
< 1443575185 88896 :somethingsomethi!~ccl@frisjes.xs4all.nl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443575199 562430 :somethingsomethi!~ccl@frisjes.xs4all.nl PART :#esoteric
< 1443575225 401698 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@goldfish I am the walrus
< 1443575225 584525 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list
< 1443575229 579724 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :?goldfish I am the walrus
< 1443575229 770527 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list
< 1443575242 207839 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@call goldfish I am the walrus
< 1443575242 398759 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you meant: tell roll
< 1443575254 575969 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham: How do I call goldfish?
< 1443575255 45761 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats hppavilion[1] -----###
< 1443575255 271285 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> text $ goldfish "I am the walrus"
< 1443575257 114937 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : I *BLUB* am *BLUB* the *BLUB* wal- OH MY *BLUB* GOD IT'S A *BLUB* CAT
< 1443575270 971399 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There we go
< 1443575272 631913 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1443575314 621622 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: lambdabot doesn't allow user defining actual @commands
< 1443575354 854441 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Didn't think so
< 1443575372 529934 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : ?let only affects the environment used by > and @run
< 1443575377 618976 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t goldfish
< 1443575378 676959 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :String -> [Char]
< 1443575385 148222 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a couple others
< 1443575393 76350 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :?let goldfish' = text . goldfish
< 1443575394 618737 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Defined.
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< 1443575469 38000 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> text $ goldfish' "I am the walrus"
< 1443575470 315382 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :     Couldn't match type ‘Doc’ with ‘[Char]’
< 1443575470 493423 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :     Expected type: String
< 1443575470 493500 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :       Actual type: Doc
< 1443575484 731520 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no clue how this level of Haskell works xD
< 1443575649 277258 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> goldfish' "you dont need text with this one"
< 1443575650 933970 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : you *BLUB* dont *BLUB* need *BLUB* text *BLUB* with *BLUB* this *BLUB* o- OH...
< 1443575682 511207 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh
< 1443575689 550565 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Duh xD
< 1443575703 426760 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], does i have an encoding in lambda calculus?
< 1443575724 343915 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Yes, of course. Just not a well-known one.
< 1443575732 425329 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, possibly, an at-all-known one
< 1443575782 596019 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the i x = x S K  one?
< 1443575806 824633 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's pretty trivial.
< 1443575838 439084 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact it's right there on the Iota page.
< 1443575852 248709 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: No. i the number
< 1443575858 617867 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh.
< 1443575873 336539 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I asked him earlier to encode @ into λ-calculus as a partial joke
< 1443575894 702629 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well first you need to encode complex numbers in general.
< 1443575931 923727 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think we still have 3 competing definitions of |a + b@|
< 1443575941 248880 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And two people making those definitions)
< 1443575964 94064 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :are they irishmen
< 1443575974 582952 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least one is Jewish
< 1443576016 222896 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-164-249.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :What’s @ there?
< 1443576039 299295 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A number defined (or perhaps || redefined, to be more accurately possible) such that |@| = -1
< 1443576067 537891 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok good, the first google hit i found said "israelis"
< 1443576090 324401 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose you're not israeli though
< 1443576186 254876 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that i recall)
< 1443576258 8022 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what i recall from that discussion is that you couldn't even decide to make it a proper ring :P
< 1443576284 724468 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though that _seems_ to be basically compatible with the premise.
< 1443576310 411418 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, technically anything that doesn't speak about || would be compatible
< 1443576370 458253 :FireFly!firefly@oftn/member/FireFly QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds
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< 1443576457 765006 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ring?
< 1443576475 197941 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ring ring ring ring, bananaphone
< 1443576484 941237 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443576503 949313 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you kept discussing what addition should do, which is really trivial if you assume a ring...
< 1443576508 766263 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@66.58.171.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: You know. A ring. Like, from ring theory
< 1443576538 950219 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-164-249.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaa how do I find out how big size_t is?
< 1443576547 649766 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: sizeof(size_t)?
< 1443576547 828793 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, it seems logical to make it a real vector space.
< 1443576556 240041 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or do you mean SIZE_T_MAX?
< 1443576557 742231 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-164-249.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I’m not writing in C.
< 1443576569 429684 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: what language are you writing in?
< 1443576603 169801 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I haven't considered multiplication much, but I think |a + b@| is more... answerable than a + b@, like how you can't simplify a+bi
< 1443576603 782282 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-164-249.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, so far really I’m not writing in any at all, but if I found a halfway promising route it would be Idris.
< 1443576672 527158 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: my intuition says that if you are including both i and @, and say that @^2 = 1 (i think that was suggested), then a + bi + c@ + di@ would be the general form of your numbers
< 1443576691 177640 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :making addition and multiplication obvious.
< 1443576717 564685 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then you just have to define || to fit reasonably.
< 1443576733 109562 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a b c d reals)
< 1443576741 215795 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That makes sense, I think I've sort of been assuming that. That last part is what's tricky, and I'm not convinced that there's only one reasonable || definition
< 1443576749 830977 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-164-249.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can call C functions, but I can only marshal int, double, (char *), pointer, and uint{8,16,32,64}_t values and have to know which to use.
< 1443576778 209324 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: well you are the idris expert here in the channel afaik
< 1443576793 754671 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't it have an ffi?
< 1443576828 960997 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in which case either the ffi should have a way to tell, or you could use it to write a small C wrapper that did
< 1443576847 58785 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i guess the latter wouldn't be a compile time result
< 1443576853 801273 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-164-249.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I listed the available types just above.
< 1443576892 465655 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i'm pretty sure the C standard doesn't _require_ size_t to be any of them.
< 1443576916 89877 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The C standard would permit size_t to be a uint80_t.
< 1443576943 751604 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The C standard also does not require uint8_t, uint16_t, uint32_t, or uint64_t to exist.
< 1443576959 138644 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i vaguely assume uint32_t and uint64_t to be the most likely
< 1443576990 376744 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("%d", sizeof(size_t));
< 1443576994 672515 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has the pretty loose requirement that uint*_t exist if your system has a conforming type. :)
< 1443576997 310728 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :8
< 1443577013 235222 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you're correct, *in practice* uint32_t and uint64_t are the likely types.
< 1443577040 884383 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :With uint16_t much less likely but technically still possible, and that rounds up the ones you're realistically going to see.
< 1443577070 817828 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-164-249.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the uint types listed must exist to compile the idris C rts.
< 1443577082 215625 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds like a poorly thought out RTS.
< 1443577148 474390 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-164-249.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Furthermore, I expect that any system on which it is possible to compile Idris will not only have those, but will also have size_t be one of those sizes.
< 1443577151 960899 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t Foreign.C.Types.CSize
< 1443577153 213050 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Word64 -> Foreign.C.Types.CSize
< 1443577203 833312 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm guessing that's Haskell's version
< 1443577227 147193 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well yes, POSIX requires the types to exist (and it's unlikely as hell that size_t will be a weird type in such a case). :)
< 1443577326 652794 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-164-249.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :( [Int, Bits8, Bits16, Bits32, Bits64]
< 1443577326 890874 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-092-072-164-249.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :04[12Int04, 12Bits804, 12Bits1604, 12Bits3204, 12Bits6404] : 12List 12Type
< 1443577409 78839 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another telling thing: it says "pointer". C pointers do not necessarily have the same representation.
< 1443577431 241619 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :char* and void* have the same representation, and must be able to point to any object.
< 1443577438 780050 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :All other pointer types do not have this property.
< 1443577506 679355 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(sizeof(double*) and sizeof(char*), say, don't even have to be the same)
< 1443577520 570834 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-164-249.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems to be a (void *).
< 1443577579 133691 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(C: the language that nobody actually understands! :P)
< 1443578058 148754 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nxsdjxbojxcjijcb JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1443578204 60087 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-164-249.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@type sizeOf
< 1443578205 528025 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :    Not in scope: ‘sizeOf’
< 1443578205 706888 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :    Perhaps you meant one of these:
< 1443578205 706966 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :      ‘IM.size’ (imported from Data.IntMap),
< 1443578420 907670 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-164-249.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, well, where do things like compilers with FFIs that provide for size_t get their info about how it needs to be dealt with?
< 1443578726 625758 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :libffi is a popular choice.
< 1443578829 636406 :bender|!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443579171 163094 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t sizeof
< 1443579172 117028 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :    Not in scope: ‘sizeof’
< 1443579172 295385 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :    Perhaps you meant one of these:
< 1443579172 295463 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :      ‘IM.size’ (imported from Data.IntMap),
< 1443579272 139910 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see. I have been informed that the french my dad speaks is not quebecois french, it is "horrible french"
< 1443579289 378188 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this explains a lot
< 1443579303 466530 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1443579360 683319 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD
< 1443579425 293043 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :horriblois
< 1443581060 171441 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-ludlndmjbictrzuc JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1443581467 598425 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't there some kind of deep reason you can have a system of imaginaries like 1 + i + j + k but not 1 + i + j? Because I imagine @ giving complications similar to the latter when mixed with normal imaginaries
< 1443581478 325173 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't actually know what those complications are though
< 1443581630 535050 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the dilemma is whether |a+bi+c@+di@| should equal sqrt(a^2+b^2-c^2-d^2), equal sqrt((a-c)^2+(b-c)^2) or possibly something different?
< 1443581704 279275 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I had a good reason for disliking the former, the latter could be simplified
< 1443581715 12770 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well not simplified, but differneized
< 1443581784 656128 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why don't I start like this: |(a+b@)(c+d@)| = |ac + (ad+bc)@ + bd@^2|
< 1443581814 700512 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh we don't really know |@^2| although = 1 seems reasonable
< 1443581968 791905 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Under the |a+b@| = |a| - |b| we get (|a| - |b|)(|c| - |d|) = |ac| - |ad + bc| + |bd|? = |a||c| - |a||d| - |b||c| + |b||d|
< 1443581969 830072 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I think I heard that in quaternions k is just a notational convenience but is not any different from ij.
< 1443581997 320029 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Assuming |a||b| = |ab|)
< 1443582020 139418 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That looks really wrong.
< 1443582156 969174 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :|ac| - |ad + bc| + |bd| = |ac| - |ad| - |bc| + |bd|; |ad + bc| = |ad| + |bc|; which is known incorrect
< 1443582231 745997 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If |@| = -1 and |@@| = 1 and |ab| = |a||b| for a and b in c@mplexes, then |a+b@| = |a| - |b| is a bad definition.
< 1443582238 338249 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :We know something concrete, yay!
< 1443582270 88424 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's see if I can plug in an example to the original equation to make it obvious
< 1443582291 675382 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a = c = d = 1; b = -1
< 1443582316 483533 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, can we recover |a+@b| = |a|-|b| for either pure imaginary or pure real numbers?
< 1443582404 111360 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm |2-3| = |-1| = 1
< 1443582428 3965 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh don't feel like plugging it i
< 1443582429 119449 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :n
< 1443582445 767376 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, only the positive numbers then?
< 1443582454 242959 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about that other definition, |a+b@| = 2a - |a+bi|
< 1443582477 359274 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Where a and b are real, so we can use abs of complex to mean "distance")
< 1443582523 557374 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the rational behind it?
< 1443582548 311394 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesthiswork, imagining a and b as values along dimensions, and || as distance, except b contributes negatively
< 1443582600 542164 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443582632 675107 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :|a+bi| - 2|a-bi|... hmm
< 1443582639 490124 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I originally worked it out with sqrt and squares
< 1443582698 362023 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should be in logs somewhere, but right now it looks a bit weird
< 1443582702 598996 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am haveing trouble imagining an orthogonal vector that decreases distance from the orgin
< 1443582717 452930 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that is just a failure of imagination
< 1443582722 636669 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: the problem with 1 + i + j  is defining division, afair
< 1443582769 427155 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :other than that, any reasonable multiplication of the basis elements should work for a ring
< 1443582795 127397 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Back to examining |a+b@| = 2a - |a+bi|
< 1443582805 213474 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(reasonable: the multiplication gives a group on what you can reach with it)
< 1443582819 675681 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :|(a+b@)(c+d@)| = |ac + (ad+bc)@ + bd@^2|
< 1443582843 758156 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, for things like ij = -k or the like.  it's probably complicated if you mix in addition there
< 1443582881 34812 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(2a - |a+bi|)(2c - |c+di|) = |(ac... crud
< 1443582922 224756 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Questionable assumption: |a + b@@| isn't necessarily |a+b| even if |@@| = 1, right?
< 1443582923 232308 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: oh hm there's an obvious property you _could_ try to get (it works for complex numbers): |zw| = |z||w|
< 1443582945 707679 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have my doubts it works here...
< 1443582952 218864 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assumed that before in my definition disproof for |a+b@| = |a| - |b|
< 1443582984 896459 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if @@ = i (it doesn't obviously) |1 + i| != |1+1|
< 1443583027 65166 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh you gave an assumption @@ = 1, so I can just append that to my above disproof
< 1443583037 296462 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :|a|^2=|a^2|  so 1 is an very reasonable value for |@^2|
< 1443583052 473325 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesthiswork, but that's not the question
< 1443583068 631435 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know, I was talking to my self
< 1443583073 979033 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, sorry
< 1443583103 187429 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm still several steps behind the channel
< 1443583170 234932 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(2a - |a+bi|)(2c - |c+di|) = 2(ac + bd) - |(ac + bd) + (ad + bc)i|
< 1443583236 391049 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well the 4 vs 2 is scaring me a bit, but let's keep going
< 1443583305 787450 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :4ac - 2a|c+di| - 2c|a+bi| + |a+bi||c+di| = 2ac + 2bd - |(ac + bd) + (ad + bc)i|
< 1443583437 678486 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :2ac - 2a|c+di| - 2c|a+bi| = 2bd - |ac + bd + adi + bci|
< 1443583454 349344 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel like I'm getting nowhere fast
< 1443583606 5711 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesthiswork: hey i'm even further back ok
< 1443583623 493200 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION not going to try understanding the details
< 1443583858 668096 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what max(@,-@) does
< 1443583909 972184 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? @
< 1443583910 939917 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​@ is an OS made out of only the finest vapour.
< 1443583941 595921 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :|(ac + bd) + (ad + bc)i| = sqrt((ac + bd)^2 - (ad + bc)^2);  sqrt((ac)^2 + 2abcd + (bd)^2 - (ad^2) - 2abdc - (bc)^2) = why do I do this to myself
< 1443583997 275848 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sqrt((ac)^2 + (bd)^2 - (ad)^2 - (bc)^2)
< 1443584018 978642 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This looks really wrong but it's not even the prior problem
< 1443584294 877667 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does sqrt(@^2)=-1?
< 1443584312 978080 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the same way sqrt(1) = -1
< 1443584352 161619 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dealing with that is a good reason to avoid |a+b@| = sqrt(a^2 - b^2) as a definition
< 1443584379 61005 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it only makes the inside negat... well if |@| = i instead of |@| = -1 that could be an approach
< 1443584396 382237 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then |@^2| = -1
< 1443584540 37098 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll call it # such that |#| = i and #^2 = @
< 1443584589 174918 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although it's hard to determine the sign of the sqrt function
< 1443584611 355721 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But let's say we want to find |a + b@| = |... crud
< 1443584740 624161 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :2ac - 2a|c+di| - 2c|a+bi| = 2bd - |ac + bd + adi + bci|
< 1443584901 821579 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :2a|c+di| + 2c|a+bi| - 2ac = |(ac + bd) + (ad + bc)i| - 2bd
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< 1443585078 349923 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if |@| = i instead, we'd have minkowski geometry.
< 1443585101 917637 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is a very respectable thing, although i'm not sure if it has a multiplication.
< 1443585149 286989 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!
< 1443585211 499617 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's basically |(a,b,c,d)| = sqrt(a^2 - b^2 - c^2 - d^2)
< 1443585226 168991 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in 4 dimensions, the most important one for physics)
< 1443585432 271379 :bender|!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 NICK :bender
< 1443585454 946387 :bender!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 NICK :bender|
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< 1443585630 262100 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Woohoo I have an extra hour to do math before having to do work stuff
< 1443585652 602490 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I might be slightly stumped right now
< 1443585745 649488 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tempted to plug in random numbers and see what happens
< 1443585749 441133 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t abs
< 1443585750 580750 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Num a => a -> a
< 1443585894 49407 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let dist a b = sqrt (a^2 + b^2); f a b c d = 2 * a * dist c d + 2 * c * dist a b - 2 * a * c; g a b c d = dist (a * c + b * d) (a * d + b * c) - 2 * b * d in (f 1 -1 1 1, g 1 -1 1 1)
< 1443585895 335010 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :     Could not deduce (Num a0)
< 1443585895 513147 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :     from the context (Floating a,
< 1443585895 513204 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :                       Floating a6,
< 1443585902 150647 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bleh?
< 1443586627 923862 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443587456 805691 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let dist a b = sqrt (a^2 + b^2); f a b c d = 2 * a * dist c d + 2 * c * dist a b - 2 * a * c; g a b c d = dist (a * c + b * d) (a * d + b * c) - 2 * b * d in (f 1 (-1) 1 1, g 1 (-1) 1 1)
< 1443587459 44332 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : (3.6568542494923806,2.0)
< 1443587464 166629 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: ^
< 1443587493 823926 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1 1
< 1443587495 83452 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :     Could not deduce (Num a0)
< 1443587495 261932 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :     from the context (Num a, Num (a -> t))
< 1443587495 262019 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :       bound by the inferred type for ‘e_111’: (Num a, Num (a -> t)) => t
< 1443587505 162762 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, ty
< 1443587519 231258 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And... that's not the answer I was hoping for
< 1443587545 65427 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although any of my algebra could be wrong too
< 1443587802 916786 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : boily: I think it's in Vorpal's Funge-98 interpreter <-- it was. it is fixed
< 1443587808 453635 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds
< 1443587816 220323 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl
< 1443588547 181250 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wonder if I can actually create a definition
< 1443588557 686904 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443588584 497625 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, probably no
< 1443588599 694990 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I meant by using that rule that I expect to hold)
< 1443588646 112964 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 2^3 -- checking pow vs xor
< 1443588647 600512 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 8
< 1443589019 13667 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION eyes the @@=1 assumption suspiciously
< 1443589097 642041 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@check \x y -> (x::Int) `xor` y == x^y
< 1443589099 348863 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : *** Failed! Falsifiable (after 1 test):
< 1443589099 527019 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0 0
< 1443589104 492531 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@check \x y -> (x::Int) `xor` y /= x^y
< 1443589105 876472 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : *** Failed! Exception: 'Negative exponent' (after 2 tests and 1 shrink):
< 1443589106 54387 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1 -1
< 1443589110 625545 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops
< 1443589123 295739 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@check \x y -> y>=0 => (x::Int) `xor` y /= x^y
< 1443589123 473807 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : .hs: 1: 14:Parse error: =>
< 1443589137 733399 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@check \x y -> y<0 || (x::Int) `xor` y /= x^y
< 1443589139 239595 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : +++ OK, passed 100 tests.
< 1443589195 863221 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@check \x y -> y<0 || (x::Int) `xor` y /= x^y
< 1443589197 375246 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : +++ OK, passed 100 tests.
< 1443589243 249711 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 0^0
< 1443589244 770292 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1
< 1443589302 232080 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmph it's not actually true
< 1443589305 527757 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@check \x y -> y<0 || (x::Int) `xor` y /= x^y
< 1443589307 82249 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : +++ OK, passed 100 tests.
< 1443589333 440877 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ( \x y -> y<0 || (x::Int) `xor` y /= x^y ) 0 0
< 1443589334 895508 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : True
< 1443589347 296022 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ( \x y -> y<0 || (x::Int) `xor` y /= x^y ) 1 0
< 1443589348 739207 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : False
< 1443589359 861488 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : @check doesn't check enough
< 1443589365 289981 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@check \x y -> y<0 || (x::Int) `xor` y /= x^y
< 1443589366 679508 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : +++ OK, passed 100 tests.
< 1443589546 708846 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (Test.QuickCheck.=>)
< 1443589547 826775 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: ‘Test.QuickCheck.=>’
< 1443589606 176811 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@check \x y -> y>=0 ==> (x::Int) `xor` y /= x^y
< 1443589606 354921 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : : -1: -1:Ambiguous infix expression
< 1443589625 611890 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@check \x y -> (y>=0) ==> ((x::Int) `xor` y /= x^y)
< 1443589627 176818 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : +++ OK, passed 100 tests.
< 1443589746 843696 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@list check
< 1443589747 58536 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :check provides: check
< 1443589750 938188 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@list scheck
< 1443589751 116172 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :No module "scheck" loaded
< 1443589884 27825 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(2a - |a+bi|)(2c - |c+di|) = 2(ac + bd) - |(ac + bd) + (ad + bc)i|
< 1443589976 765157 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@check \a b c d -> let dist a b = sqrt (a^2 + b^2) in (2 * a - dist a b) * (2 * c - dist c d) ==> 2 * (a * c + b * d) - dist (a * c + b * d) (a * d + b * c)
< 1443589978 85866 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type ‘Test.QuickCheck.Safe.SProperty’
< 1443589978 264042 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : with actual type ‘Bool’ In the second argument of ‘(*)’, namely ‘c’ In the f...
< 1443590053 407610 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea how to check
< 1443590087 454176 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443590392 454299 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds
< 1443590447 454357 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443590806 673457 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: the thing to the right of ==> should probably be a boolean expression
< 1443590827 357494 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do I put to the left of it?
< 1443590830 375429 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, the precedence of ==> seemed to require some parentheses
< 1443590837 404683 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :another boolean expression
< 1443590845 321030 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@check \a b c d -> True ==> let dist a b = sqrt (a^2 + b^2) in (2 * a - dist a b) * (2 * c - dist c d) == 2 * (a * c + b * d) - dist (a * c + b * d) (a * d + b * c)
< 1443590846 835330 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : *** Failed! Falsifiable (after 2 tests and 1088 shrinks):
< 1443590847 13306 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : -0.24087198985222466 0.590250929928695 -1.0415408383336255 -0.16549717990989027
< 1443590860 328836 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um you don't need ==> at all then
< 1443590876 404900 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's for when you have a prerequisite for the check
< 1443590891 568799 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving.
< 1443590894 691241 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you don't want the prerequisite failing to count as the whole failing.  i assume.
< 1443590897 728302 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm...
< 1443590909 292092 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@check \x -> False ==> x == 1
< 1443590910 606244 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (Show prop0) arising from a use of ‘myquickcheck’
< 1443590910 784348 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : The type variable ‘prop0’ is ambiguous Note: there are several potential ins...
< 1443590911 702312 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I learned @check by example not by real learning
< 1443590918 879797 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks at lambdabot !
< 1443590920 135653 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@check \x -> False ==> (x::Int) == 1
< 1443590921 414711 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (STestable Int) arising from a use of ‘==>’
< 1443590921 592738 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : In the first argument of ‘(==)’, namely ‘False ==> (x :: Int)’ In the expres...
< 1443590930 238728 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@check \x -> False ==> ((x::Int) == 1)
< 1443590931 535644 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : *** Gave up! Passed only 0 tests.
< 1443590948 684096 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@check \x -> True ==> ((x::Int) == 1)
< 1443590950 151093 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : *** Failed! Falsifiable (after 1 test):
< 1443590950 329034 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0
< 1443590969 273981 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@check \x -> (x == 1 || x > 1e9) ==> ((x::Int) == 1)
< 1443590970 728512 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (Fractional Int) arising from the literal ‘1e9’
< 1443590970 906485 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : In the second argument of ‘(>)’, namely ‘1e9’ In the second argument of ‘(||...
< 1443590981 562920 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@check \x -> (x == 1 || x > 1000000) ==> ((x::Int) == 1)
< 1443590983 5392 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : *** Gave up! Passed only 22 tests.
< 1443590985 922928 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if there's a differnt definition for @^2 that would make it work
< 1443591031 578412 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*as the whole succeeding
< 1443591032 60776 :evalj!~jeval@BC066B86.catv.pool.telekom.hu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443591063 735569 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (==>)
< 1443591064 833629 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :STestable prop => Bool -> prop -> Test.QuickCheck.Safe.SProperty
< 1443591100 57436 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm...
< 1443591171 164765 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@check \x -> ((x::Int) < 5) ==> \y -> ((y::Int) < 5) ==> x+y < 9
< 1443591172 560208 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type ‘Test.QuickCheck.Safe.SProperty’
< 1443591172 738310 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : with actual type ‘Int’ In the second argument of ‘(+)’, namely ‘y’ In the fi...
< 1443591187 397294 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@check \x -> ((x::Int) < 5) ==> \y -> ((y::Int) < 5) ==> (x+y < 9)
< 1443591188 942866 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : +++ OK, passed 100 tests.
< 1443591219 699981 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the thing to the right of ==> can be somewhat more, maybe anything you can pass to @check itself
< 1443591259 654987 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which seems like it's nice to prune the search
< 1443591507 163369 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :?type (==>)
< 1443591508 496580 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :STestable prop => Bool -> prop -> Test.QuickCheck.Safe.SProperty
< 1443591529 423337 :evalj!~jeval@BC066B86.catv.pool.telekom.hu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1443591639 556184 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@check \a b c d -> let dist a b = sqrt (a^2 + b^2) in (2 * a - dist a b) * (2 * c - dist c d) == 2 * (a * c - b * d) - dist (a * c + b * d) (a * d + b * c)
< 1443591641 119665 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : *** Failed! Falsifiable (after 2 tests and 1085 shrinks):
< 1443591641 297605 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0.47739896661811293 -1.171602104864355 -15.621137908887599 -0.406648332848909
< 1443591727 970588 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu
< 1443591788 588699 :mihow!~mihow@c-76-27-244-171.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443591990 334629 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net QUIT :Quit:  I love my HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-
< 1443592021 484541 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 冬冷写友永池決汽油温港湖漢点炭無牛犬犯理由甲申界皇真礼社神空窓笑笛第久互囚図国地巾己年弔当形悪戸所才打正止歩死
< 1443592022 831344 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :     Not in scope:
< 1443592023 9599 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :       ‘冬冷写友永池決汽油温港湖漢点炭無牛犬犯理由甲申界皇真礼社神空窓笑笛第久互囚図国地巾己年弔当形悪戸所才打正止歩死’
< 1443592039 640027 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf I didn't type a >
< 1443592069 751190 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let 湖 = (+) in 湖 3 5
< 1443592071 112737 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 8
< 1443592134 164440 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map isUpper "冬冷写友永池決汽油温港湖漢点炭無牛犬犯理由甲申界皇真礼社神空窓笑笛第久互囚図国地巾己年弔当形悪戸所才打正止歩死"
< 1443592135 656423 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : [False,False,False,False,False,False,False,False,False,False,False,False,Fal...
< 1443592296 74453 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> filter isUpper "冬冷写友永池決汽油温港湖漢点炭無牛犬犯理由甲申界皇真礼社神空窓笑笛第久互囚図国地巾己年弔当形悪戸所才打正止歩死"
< 1443592297 419466 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : ""
< 1443592349 617193 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: Unicode Lo category does not have a separate casing
< 1443592452 878924 :mihow!~mihow@c-76-27-244-171.hsd1.or.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: mihow
< 1443592461 915039 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that the same thing as saying "there's no uppercase and lowercase [hk]an[zj][ia]"?
< 1443592510 123302 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(to cover hanzi, kanji, hanja)
< 1443592511 555524 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so no "data" decls using chinese characters?
< 1443592515 231653 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes.
< 1443592528 636697 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see
< 1443592529 630166 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and many other scripts
< 1443592548 816394 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought they would simply alway be considered lowercase
< 1443592576 239391 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something
< 1443592608 446636 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :?data T湖 = C犬 | C神
< 1443592608 624757 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list
< 1443592612 181000 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :?let data T湖 = C犬 | C神
< 1443592613 586103 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Defined.
< 1443592622 836576 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :may seem so, but "uncased" script would be more appropriate
< 1443592653 36478 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham: TLake = CDog | CGod?
< 1443592668 210804 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :?let un湖 C犬 a b = a; un湖 C神 a b = b
< 1443592669 632324 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Defined.
< 1443592694 324565 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: neat, reverse "dog" == "god"
< 1443592697 981747 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good choice
< 1443592702 738530 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i jsut randomly picked 3
< 1443592718 953845 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham: heh, that's a good correspondence
< 1443592807 25203 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham: you don't know you hkanzjia?
< 1443592821 134829 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :turns out: no
< 1443592825 401402 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see
< 1443592879 805297 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the haskell capitalization rules seem to penalize those langauges that dont use caps
< 1443592887 16455 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham: so does Ruby
< 1443592910 613909 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what rules does ruby have for caps?
< 1443592934 273084 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do people usually do in that situation?
< 1443592944 344563 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well just remember that to drink, you want the bottle with with 牛 on it, and not the one with 油 on it!
< 1443592967 113129 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :牛 is beer and 油 is arsenic
< 1443592990 547700 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, cow (milk), and oil respectively
< 1443593001 979483 :sc00fy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443593026 383969 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :cow and milk use the same character?
< 1443593032 634799 :mihow!~mihow@c-76-27-244-171.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443593035 635484 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's your poison?
< 1443593050 209735 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :牛乳 = cow milk
< 1443593090 763304 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if you see any character but 牛 before 乳 you're not getting the right kind of milk
< 1443593107 49738 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham: Ruby considers any uncased letters as lowercase, so they cannot be used as the first letter of class name etc.
< 1443593171 131798 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do programmers prefix with a roman uppercase letter or something like that, in such situations?
< 1443593187 732607 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ie C犬
< 1443593191 125228 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they simply avoid using non-ASCII letters in the code.
< 1443593236 592999 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah programs usually are written either with english or the romanization of the language
< 1443593286 961360 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bummer
< 1443593315 392535 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we should be giving them an easy prefix letter to override that caps rule.
< 1443593327 737658 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like "words starting with . are considered upper case" or something
< 1443593332 992879 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :better, ditch caps rule
< 1443593402 239871 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does parsing Haskell demand knowning what is a type versus variable name?
< 1443593440 173306 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :prob requires knowing what is a constructor
< 1443593481 629380 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right s/type/constructor/ s/variable/function
< 1443593490 819010 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: don't change me!
< 1443593516 934439 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not a number
< 1443593521 365616 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm a free variable!
< 1443593536 88585 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham: and I'm not?
< 1443593538 51671 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :how dare you
< 1443593572 560793 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: you're always changing
< 1443593583 758295 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham: I'm immutable 
< 1443593597 623000 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you're not variable
< 1443593608 360242 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, i always mix you up with the variable you shadow
< 1443593609 588010 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :constant
< 1443593613 491841 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can never tell you guys apart
< 1443593634 875523 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :its true, he is constant.. constantly changing
< 1443593642 536985 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thatsracist.gif
< 1443593654 5614 :constant!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, nothing stops an immutable variable from changing on you
< 1443593681 3407 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :unsafePerformConstChange
< 1443593737 165679 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let pi = 3 in 45 * pi / 180.0
< 1443593738 669986 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0.75
< 1443593809 781157 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> π
< 1443593811 108527 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: ‘π’
< 1443593842 894924 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let π = pi in e ^ (π * i)
< 1443593847 827960 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: Time limit exceeded
< 1443593858 709611 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf
< 1443593899 5545 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wuddidijusdo.gif
< 1443593909 624368 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :you broke the math
< 1443593967 768381 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let ⯦ = 4 in ⯦ + 5
< 1443593969 375898 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : :1:5: lexical error at character '\11238'
< 1443593979 408233 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck that
< 1443593985 846059 :mihow!~mihow@c-76-27-244-171.hsd1.or.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: mihow
< 1443594022 820928 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait that's one of my font's non-unicode characters
< 1443594033 628804 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: it's the i that makes it not halt, it isn't actually the i you think
< 1443594048 623521 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t let π = pi in e ^ (π * i)
< 1443594049 776471 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Expr
< 1443594077 837882 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let ❄ = 4 in ❄ + 5
< 1443594079 253273 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : :1:1: parse error in let binding: missing required 'in'
< 1443594112 587478 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let a = 4 in a + 5
< 1443594114 1167 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 9
< 1443594116 958189 :mihow!~mihow@c-76-27-244-171.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443594155 26539 :bender|!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let a = 4 in a + a
< 1443594161 924285 :bender|!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let a = 4 in a + a
< 1443594163 306164 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 8
< 1443594167 225779 :bender|!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh cool
< 1443594173 890990 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1443594177 737735 :bender|!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let a = 4 let a = a+a
< 1443594179 23705 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : :1:1: parse error in let binding: missing required 'in'
< 1443594213 535398 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let ♨ = 4 in ♨ + ♨
< 1443594214 924177 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : :1:1: parse error in let binding: missing required 'in'
< 1443594233 321323 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is 'in' required?
< 1443594239 987615 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck you lamdabot why can't you parse a hot spring
< 1443594289 81841 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :it knows that after an expression it needs 'in' and then another expression, right?
< 1443594313 373026 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let ☃  = 4 in ☃ + ☃ 
< 1443594314 673996 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : :1:1: parse error in let binding: missing required 'in'
< 1443594319 102472 :bender|!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\, er, I don't think it supports unicode?
< 1443594333 917637 :mihow!~mihow@c-76-27-244-171.hsd1.or.comcast.net QUIT :Client Quit
< 1443594343 458766 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let 五 = 4 in 五 + 五 
< 1443594344 819934 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 8
< 1443594350 688480 :bender|!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lolwhat
< 1443594371 335689 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let 職人 = fix in 職人 id
< 1443594373 894663 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it supports unicode but only some characters. Wut. Duh. Fuk.
< 1443594375 152208 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: Time limit exceeded
< 1443594404 837787 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also that last thing I typed had an in-joke
< 1443594458 775921 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> isAlphaNum '☃'
< 1443594460 206340 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : False
< 1443594480 464214 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let x ☃ y = x + y in 3 ☃ 5
< 1443594481 799677 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 8
< 1443594494 735109 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :its not the unicodeness that was the problem
< 1443594497 699844 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was the alphanumness
< 1443594512 831932 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH! so haskell wants non-alnums to be operators not variables
< 1443594523 550197 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup
< 1443594532 403799 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let ᚴ = 4 in ᚴ + ᚴ 
< 1443594533 740216 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 8
< 1443594547 980734 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :runes are letters
< 1443594611 168647 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ⅚
< 1443594612 544653 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : :1:1: lexical error at character '\8538'
< 1443594631 167496 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm but it doesn't know what five sixths it
< 1443594705 211314 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let ⅚ = 4 in ⅚ + ⅚ 
< 1443594706 568037 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : :1:5: lexical error at character '\8538'
< 1443594745 305919 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let a⅚ = 4 in a⅚ + a⅚ 
< 1443594746 720112 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 8
< 1443594790 604346 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> isAlphaNum '⅚'
< 1443594791 956634 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : True
< 1443594806 336690 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :?let ⅚ = 5%6 
< 1443594806 950948 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Parse failed: Illegal character ''\8538''
< 1443594820 174263 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> isNum '⅚'
< 1443594820 439572 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a variable can't begin with a number apparently
< 1443594821 417569 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: ‘isNum’
< 1443594838 344340 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> isDigit '⅚'
< 1443594839 944209 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : False
< 1443594873 449639 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> isAlpha '⅚'
< 1443594874 699827 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : False
< 1443594884 121245 :mihow!~mihow@c-76-27-244-171.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443594892 237408 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> isNumeric '⅚'
< 1443594893 490956 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: ‘isNumeric’
< 1443594899 501867 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> isNumer '⅚'
< 1443594900 766765 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :     Not in scope: ‘isNumer’
< 1443594900 944764 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :     Perhaps you meant ‘isNumber’ (imported from Data.Char)
< 1443594905 7135 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> isNumber '⅚'
< 1443594906 631174 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : True
< 1443594913 850536 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : why is 'in' required? <-- it's not ambiguous without a separator.
< 1443594937 289483 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you mean   it's ambiguous without a separator   ?
< 1443594941 653804 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Note that numeric digits outside the ASCII range are selected by this function but not by isDigit. Such digits may be part of identifiers but are not used by the printer and reader to represent numbers.
< 1443594944 625172 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :er yes
< 1443594949 203471 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :says 'isAlphaNum' doc
< 1443594960 679481 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let i = sin in 3 + i 5
< 1443594962 253295 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2.0410757253368614
< 1443595108 203983 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I'm approaching this wrong, and what I really need to do is find a sane definition of |a + b@ + c@^2|
< 1443595118 442977 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is compatible with whatever definition I have in mind
< 1443595120 208741 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let x ☭ y = (x + y)/2 in 4 ☭ 7
< 1443595121 602685 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 5.5
< 1443595254 962852 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :|b@ + c@^2| = |@||b+c@| = -|b+c@|
< 1443595326 149634 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If @^2 = 1, then |b@ + c| = -|b+c@|, which is... I can't tell if that's exactly a property I want or if it's garbage
< 1443595393 329096 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :b = c = 1, |@ + 1| = -|@ + 1| ?
< 1443595486 706788 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That definitely doesn't work with my dimensional definition
< 1443595758 551418 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-59-230.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
< 1443596267 798180 :GoToTell!~GotoTell@212-88-250-157.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443596273 662957 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :|a + b@| = |#||a/# + b#| = i*???
< 1443596447 334948 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What happens if I pretend I can do this? |a + b@| = |a + b##| = sqrt(a^2 - (b#)^2) = sqrt(a^2-@b^2)
< 1443596517 32908 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If @ can signal || to produce negative, then why can't it signal "sqrt" in some similar way?
< 1443596543 6995 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how to take the square root of c@mplex numbers
< 1443596577 590946 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is # ?
< 1443596585 94419 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :|#| = i
< 1443596609 970661 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently this is a reasonable thing that occurs in real math.
< 1443596624 284203 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except probably not that symbol
< 1443596691 759639 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :|@| = sqrt(-@) = i*# = not what we wanted.... unless i# is inexplicibly -1
< 1443596834 985741 :sc00fy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1443596862 150764 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat
< 1443597536 796086 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1443597539 833731 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :for square root of complex number, (a+bi)^2 = c+di <=> a^2 - b^2 = c, 2ab = d; just solve that hth
< 1443597878 451351 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds
< 1443597903 752480 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Esoteric algorithm14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44546&oldid=43644 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+0) 10case
< 1443598065 104486 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Dropsort14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44547&oldid=43646 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+16) 10case, sp, fmt
< 1443598272 437298 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of dropping the elements, add them to a new list
< 1443598280 804418 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :dropsort again, then merge
< 1443598285 504203 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User talk:InputUsername14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44548&oldid=43652 5* 03Oerjan 5* (-1) 10Poor guy languishing in the wrong channel
< 1443598417 685987 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Langar.io14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44549&oldid=43654 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+48) 10unsigned, also you do know people get told about new messages in their user talk page, right?
< 1443598455 179522 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: 1. how do you merge them? 2. that'll ruin runtime
< 1443598481 894571 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :merge them like in merge sort
< 1443598492 180757 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :see 2. then
< 1443598501 681218 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wasn't 100% serious
< 1443598502 819276 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is basically a slower version of mergesort
< 1443598538 259199 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :particularly with a list that starts in reverse order
< 1443598625 501758 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's faster if the data is almost sorted
< 1443598734 70107 :aretecode!~aretecode@50.23.131.206-static.reverse.softlayer.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1443599335 190237 :aretecode!~aretecode@50.23.131.206-static.reverse.softlayer.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443599538 47113 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Brainfuck Sharp14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44550&oldid=43921 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+30) 10Some proofreading
< 1443599725 637510 :constant!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1443599773 797048 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443599936 503637 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds
< 1443599946 392191 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:WASD14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44551&oldid=43671 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+46) 10ominous lack of sign
< 1443600208 41996 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no NICK :oerjan_
< 1443600214 942617 :oerjan_!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boo!
< 1443600218 462860 :oerjan_!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no NICK :oerjan
< 1443601360 520257 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Brainfact14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44552&oldid=43692 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+49) 10unsigned
< 1443601469 786287 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (a(:^)*S):^
< 1443601470 6565 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a(:^)*S):^
< 1443601647 627600 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Smallfuck14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44553&oldid=43698 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+51) 10unsigned
< 1443601740 983019 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443601948 520196 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, what's the url of ayacc?
< 1443601981 131074 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't ais523 paste some darcs thing
< 1443602043 34220 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i found the discussion of VCS war very ironic after it, anyway
< 1443602067 49994 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm wait, that may have been underlambda
< 1443602091 521240 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's somewhere on the nethack4 site, anyway, i think he keeps most his stuff there
< 1443602135 671090 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :he had a plain download url. I have the url at home, but not here
< 1443602139 998 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ayacc
< 1443602139 923538 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ayacc? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1443602467 54512 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait, maybe it's in the nethack4 or the c-intercal source code
< 1443602513 355755 :mihow!~mihow@c-76-27-244-171.hsd1.or.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: mihow
< 1443602578 14659 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07InDec14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44554&oldid=43706 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+3) 10sp, fmt
< 1443602699 221941 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07ZeptoBasic14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44555&oldid=43707 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+8) 10links
< 1443603431 646732 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Ultimate Programming Language to Take Over a Prison, Then He World14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44556&oldid=43725 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+25) 10some proofreading, and vague unease
< 1443603620 559520 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move10 02 5* 03Oerjan 5*  10moved [[02Non-Specific Assignment10]] to [[Non-specific assignment]]: Not a proper name
< 1443603626 881420 :heddwch!heddwch@76.8.3.189 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
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< 1443603842 868541 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: http://nethack4.org/media/alex/ayacc/ayacc.pl  if that's still relevant.
< 1443603847 355379 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-59-230.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443603884 772671 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: thanks
< 1443603965 203088 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`le/rn ayacc/ayacc is ais523's yacc parser generator implementation, get it from http://nethack4.org/media/alex/ayacc/ayacc.pl
< 1443603967 659129 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned «ayacc»
< 1443603971 299431 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ayacc
< 1443603972 444858 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ayacc is ais523's yacc parser generator implementation, get it from http://nethack4.org/media/alex/ayacc/ayacc.pl
< 1443604038 231041 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Non-specific assignment14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44558&oldid=44557 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+0) 10case and grm
< 1443604225 535195 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Esolang talk:Sandbox14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44559&oldid=43717 5* 03Oerjan 5* (-703) 10C'est vrai!
< 1443604454 351820 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember when some of my friends made a roguelike for Ludum Dare
< 1443604465 517297 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It had, iirc, "Dutch" as a race
< 1443604708 821871 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the name generator gave you the same name ("Colin") unless you were a specific race/class combination
< 1443604908 101131 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, the races were Human, Dutch, Elf, Dwarf, Halfling, and Quarterling, and the classes were Miner, Attorney, Clog Maker, Huntsman, Chef, Tourist, and Dog
< 1443604999 436998 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1443605012 564590 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Zzo38/FurryScript14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44560&oldid=43724 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+8) 10wayback
< 1443605022 730897 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd love to play a dwarven attorney
< 1443605038 551994 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you played as a Human Attorney and asked for a random name, it called you "Javert"
< 1443605097 490735 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :surely that should be an inspector
< 1443605132 126672 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :There isn't an inspector class
< 1443605265 454187 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Object oriented thue14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44561&oldid=43728 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+0) 10/* External Resources */ casus belli
< 1443605528 802987 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Human attorney, Dutch clog maker, elven huntsman, dwarven miner, halfling chef and quartering... I-don't-know-what, for maximum typecasting.
< 1443605580 664775 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :A quarterling is like a halfling but even more so
< 1443605603 614920 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Glypho14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44562&oldid=43733 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+7) 10links
< 1443605668 632324 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The mobs in the game were hedgehog, squirrel, duck, goose, orc, cave pirate, wolfman, fallen angel, and dragon
< 1443605742 454147 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In ascending order of difficulty?
< 1443605747 460175 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes
< 1443605776 442969 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443605789 515964 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source code is here: https://github.com/HackSoc/LudumDare29
< 1443605823 60555 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And we learnt the valuable lesson that a roguelike in C isn't very good for ludum dare when your build instructions are "make"
< 1443605841 961767 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is a quarterling hth http://yafgc.net/comic/2443-halfs/
< 1443605927 523226 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see today's comic is up too, and confirming the speculation i read in the forum...
< 1443605997 410203 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443606295 922473 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1443607322 224050 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443607560 694172 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Retina14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44563&oldid=43939 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+0) 10section name
< 1443608505 56528 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Later
< 1443609288 942432 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443609728 971234 :mroman_!~mroman@160.85.232.158 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443609765 101093 :mroman_!~mroman@160.85.232.158 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How come to average number to reach 1.0 from 0.0 by adding a random number between 0..1 is not 2?
< 1443609773 817987 :mroman_!~mroman@160.85.232.158 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*average number of steps
< 1443609800 421801 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It isn't?
< 1443609803 340421 :mroman_!~mroman@160.85.232.158 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No.
< 1443609807 421823 :mroman_!~mroman@160.85.232.158 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's e^1
< 1443609811 360178 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh
< 1443609844 55856 :mroman_!~mroman@160.85.232.158 PRIVMSG #esoteric :double d = 0.0; while(d < 1.0) { d += rnd(); steps++; }
< 1443609848 134956 :mroman_!~mroman@160.85.232.158 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^- like that
< 1443609853 928397 :mroman_!~mroman@160.85.232.158 PRIVMSG #esoteric :average number of steps will be e
< 1443609969 672181 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are much more floats between 0 and 0.05 tthan between 0.05 and 0.1, arenkt they?
< 1443609992 698103 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: well, it's more than 2 because the amount that you overshoot the target (1) is lost.
< 1443610011 810322 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also that one
< 1443610029 586833 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e sounds reasonable because of the distribution of floats to me
< 1443610055 905943 :mroman_!~mroman@160.85.232.158 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codepad.org/gbrKc3dw
< 1443610087 30662 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(lost compared to just adding rnd and checking when you jump across a natural number)
< 1443610147 660655 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@ip-78-102-58-167.net.upcbroadband.cz JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443610185 792497 :mroman_!~mroman@160.85.232.158 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The expected value of rnd() is 0.5. So the sum of two rnd() is expected to be 1.
< 1443610200 750387 :mroman_!~mroman@160.85.232.158 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Either it has something to do with the float/double data types
< 1443610211 875738 :mroman_!~mroman@160.85.232.158 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or it's something else :)
< 1443610220 421243 :mroman_!~mroman@160.85.232.158 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or possibly the rnd() function itself)
< 1443610297 337090 :mroman_!~mroman@160.85.232.158 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's too close to e to be a coincidence :)
< 1443610399 837873 :ski!~ski@remote11.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf : ok, ty
< 1443610567 771944 :mroman_!~mroman@160.85.232.158 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah, you loose the overshoot
< 1443610569 712489 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: yes, it is e; the probabilities that you're still below 1 after 0,1,2,...,k steps are 1,1,1/2,...,1/k!.
< 1443610576 514387 :mroman_!~mroman@160.85.232.158 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you'd do an average of rnd()+rnd() you'd get 1.
< 1443610683 793001 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact for a threshold 0 <= t <= 1, the expected number of steps to exceed t is e^t. But for t>1 it gets messy.
< 1443610776 408072 :sc00fy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443610869 258160 :GoToTell!~GotoTell@212-88-250-157.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :the possible sums 0 > n > 4 that's equals or exceeds 4 is: 1111 1112 1113 112 113 122 123 13 22 23 33
< 1443610910 920566 :GoToTell!~GotoTell@212-88-250-157.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :30 steps in total, divided by 11 possibilities = 2.7272727272727272727272727272727
< 1443610928 955456 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :GoToTell: that's for integers, I think the problem is for reals
< 1443610952 338557 :mroman_!~mroman@160.85.232.158 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2.7272 looks like almost e though
< 1443610982 123217 :GoToTell!~GotoTell@212-88-250-157.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :it will approach the same avg steps for reals for larger and larger integers.
< 1443611026 637576 :ski!~ski@remote11.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :GoToTell : `0 > 4' ?
< 1443611050 747227 :GoToTell!~GotoTell@212-88-250-157.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 > n > 4
< 1443611089 836987 :ski!~ski@remote11.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously `n' can't *both* be greater than `4' *and* lesser than `0' ..
< 1443611119 677896 :GoToTell!~GotoTell@212-88-250-157.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dammit.
< 1443611134 289906 :GoToTell!~GotoTell@212-88-250-157.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Symbol blindness. My apologies.
< 1443611146 5651 :GoToTell!~GotoTell@212-88-250-157.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 < n < 4
< 1443611168 439588 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: so what do you know about exponential growth?
< 1443611168 621402 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: my mistake, the srfi site. really great to see a benchmark
< 1443611176 299538 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style
< 1443611176 477638 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc* iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack oots pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube
< 1443611211 488103 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style alice
< 1443611211 666223 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: alice (Books by Lewis Carroll)
< 1443611218 136975 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: bread or taxes?
< 1443611218 314929 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: at last the post shall carry, when thirteen days are gone and past of fnord. " for any one with true fnord fnord, fnord, fnord,
< 1443611242 32695 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well it was worth a try
< 1443611244 842767 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style irc
< 1443611245 20687 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: irc (IRC logs of freenode/#esoteric, freenode/#scheme and ircnet/#douglasadams)
< 1443611290 630542 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :where is the oots style from?
< 1443611435 112515 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style oots
< 1443611435 290582 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: oots (Order Of The Stick)
< 1443611439 907345 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style irc
< 1443611440 85241 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: irc (IRC logs of freenode/#esoteric, freenode/#scheme and ircnet/#douglasadams)
< 1443611452 348299 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: this wiki, I'd assume: http://oots.wikia.com/wiki/New_Edition
< 1443611461 401 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay
< 1443611480 483974 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which has transcripts of the comics as you can see in that link)
< 1443611576 302016 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I think I scraped it from some wiki.
< 1443611589 510287 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style oots
< 1443611589 688314 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: oots (Order Of The Stick)
< 1443611593 473748 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: What do you sound like? 
< 1443611593 651789 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: was that supposed to get you down here.
< 1443611607 663413 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: No, and I think that's probably a direct quote.
< 1443611607 841474 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: as the shrew! even i don't get to live. your trial and then, gods willing, for that kind of stuff, i figured that one out on my own, but
< 1443611617 595297 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: But what? 
< 1443611617 773310 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: you would probably have to skip the combat dialogue. someone hand that i think, " hmm, i think, " hmm, i think that i shall i prepare " roy" to live.
< 1443612038 406414 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: hmm, I think ♪ hmm, I think ♪
< 1443612038 584464 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i get to go. y'know, the rune over behind xkyon's throne labeled " castle blowing her cover.
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< 1443612583 798457 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org NICK :nvd
< 1443612588 77618 :nvd!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org NICK :Taneb
< 1443613055 598863 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :meanwhile, new OotS strip today
< 1443613089 752539 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( `olist $N+1 )
< 1443613338 328177 :GoToTell!~GotoTell@212-88-250-157.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit:  HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Like it?  Visit #hydrairc on EFNet
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< 1443614359 444755 :bender|!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( help )
< 1443614472 876325 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( In your thoughts, you're all alone. )
< 1443615328 488693 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-164-249.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blarf. Is there any spec on the implementation of wait status manipulation macros, or can they do effectively anything?
< 1443615447 203220 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :POSIX guarantees a number of things about them.
< 1443615454 526888 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Each of the following statements shall apply to all macros unless explicitly stated otherwise:
< 1443615457 567618 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any definition of an object-like macro in a header shall expand to code that is fully protected by parentheses where necessary, so that it groups in an arbitrary expression as if it were a single identifier.
< 1443615461 571507 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :All object-like macros listed as expanding to integer constant expressions shall additionally be suitable for use in #if preprocessing directives.
< 1443615464 615798 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any definition of a function-like macro in a header shall expand to code that evaluates each of its arguments exactly once, fully protected by parentheses where necessary, so that it is generally safe to use arbitrary expressions as arguments.
< 1443615468 567420 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any definition of a function-like macro in a header can be invoked in an expression anywhere a function with a compatible return type could be called."
< 1443615478 392678 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think point #3 is what you might be most interested about.
< 1443615547 435890 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(POSIX, System Interfaces > General Information > Use and Implementation of Macros.)
< 1443615691 269451 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-164-249.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, but that’s about macros in general. The structure of the status value is not specified, I assume.
< 1443615758 829609 :MoALTz_!~no@78.11.179.104 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1443615836 292846 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-164-249.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :The problem being of course that I can’t invoke a macro from non-C code.
< 1443615878 758665 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :WEXITSTATUS is always the low-order 8 bits of the status value, but that's all you get.
< 1443615892 688969 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-164-249.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oωo?
< 1443615916 736120 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not very helpful, perhaps, because the WIFEXITED test isn't specified, and WEXITSTATUS is only relevant if that is true.
< 1443615939 344047 :MoALTz!~no@78.11.179.104 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1443615981 282194 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, maybe I read the documentation of WEXITSTATUS wrong, sorry.
< 1443616002 817185 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-164-249.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I’m pretty sure that’s referring to the low bits of the value the program returned, not of the wait status.
< 1443616006 265667 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1443616029 589703 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-164-249.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :In particular, my system has “#define __WEXITSTATUS(status)   (((status) & 0xff00) >> 8)”.
< 1443616041 997553 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I just read it too quickly.
< 1443616089 634471 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But there's a guarantee about the value 0, so if you're okay with just differentiating "terminated normally with a return value of 0" from "everything else".
< 1443616098 955622 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1443616130 215305 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-164-249.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, now that sounds interesting.
< 1443616161 871394 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The value stored at the location pointed to by stat_loc shall be 0 if and only if the status returned is from a terminated child process that terminated by one of the following means: [three reasonable things]"
< 1443616254 642010 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "everything else" bucket does include "still running" as well as all the possible different ways of failing, though.
< 1443616362 41189 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-164-249.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :It’s a good start, since it allows me to at least tell if nothing went wrong with a system() call.
< 1443616885 974465 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-164-249.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION gets ideas about using libclang to get at the expansions of the macros and then interpret them, but that would require being able to create callbacks, because you can’t traverse a clang AST normally.
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< 1443625717 338726 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :thinking about the dropsort thingy
< 1443625736 154607 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of adding them to a list, add them to a list in the correct order
< 1443625761 4792 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :like the insertion sort thingy
< 1443625782 724502 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :and do this for the first, say, 20 elements
< 1443625786 366744 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :then add them to a new list
< 1443625809 912717 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you end up with several small sorted lists
< 1443625813 633501 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can merge them
< 1443625869 722171 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :how awful is that?
< 1443625998 838303 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`olist 1007
< 1443626000 622031 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olist 1007: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly boily nortti
< 1443626343 611591 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: that's essentially mergesort
< 1443626360 103402 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but the first part is faster
< 1443626385 62861 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it'd still work out O(nlogn)
< 1443626430 462746 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :well of course..
< 1443626588 561501 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you make the lists for as long it's ascending/descending, then you get GHC's sort function
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< 1443627069 448016 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :øøh list
< 1443627078 578307 :heddwch!heddwch@76.8.3.189 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
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< 1443627361 267429 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: why int-e would _allude_ to `olist without actually doing it... maybe he's turned into a vampire.
< 1443627387 477440 :bender|!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 NICK :bender
< 1443627406 35164 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, neither int-e nor b_jonas are on the list
< 1443627414 723984 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shocking
< 1443627416 151213 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i admit it looks bad. pretty suspicious
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< 1443627509 569012 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :which list?
< 1443627564 713512 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? olist
< 1443627565 931099 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Update notification for the webcomic Order of the Stick. http://www.giantitp.com/cgi-bin/GiantITP/ootscript
< 1443627617 530865 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :nostalgia time is over
< 1443627621 376646 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` sed -i 's#cgi-bin.*#comics/ootslatest.html#' wisdom/olist
< 1443627623 284528 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1443627757 790150 :bender!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 QUIT :Quit: [May the Kool Klocks Klan be with you!]
< 1443627781 79167 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that
< 1443629017 157579 :XorSwap!XorSwap@wpa-6-563.cc.umanitoba.ca QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1443629140 560398 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: I see you've added more characters. but the green vs white is inconsistent again.
< 1443629217 331801 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: also, it looks as if either some of the characters in the kanji&hanzi region of the sample page were either of the wrong width or substituted from another font
< 1443629230 286094 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :because they don't line up to a nice grid
< 1443629242 178482 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or it could be just that the font is older than page
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< 1443630237 40112 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Haneb
< 1443630244 445545 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellochaf
< 1443630258 697028 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you think of this olist
< 1443630298 510367 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that it's an olist
< 1443630368 432073 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you a d&d rules expert
< 1443630376 655861 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :shouldn't what's-his-name be dead by now
< 1443630558 289457 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just a flesh wound
< 1443630626 570636 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :negative hit points?
< 1443630633 146156 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :this game is bizarre
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< 1443630771 61294 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-94.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would like to see LISP based on another structure besides Lists.
< 1443630783 922025 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-94.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Table is sort of like that for Associative Arrays, I suppose
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< 1443630822 782864 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: in 4e, you can survive up to negative half your health
< 1443630831 522761 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(rounded towards zero)
< 1443630836 41646 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is 3.5e
< 1443630846 110536 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it only go to -10 or something?
< 1443630872 5230 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :also did this harm bring what's-his-name to 1 hp
< 1443630873 710896 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know 3.5e
< 1443632479 84662 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-94.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1443632775 316443 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :can it go to -11 if you get a spinal tap
< 1443632794 368372 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man, I hope so
< 1443633321 979367 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> goldfish' "my amp goes to eleven"
< 1443633323 296714 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: ‘goldfish'’
< 1443633409 40768 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :alas, lambdabot has memory like a ...
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< 1443634163 581626 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like an arrow
< 1443634166 328487 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise lambdabot would be insane by now
< 1443634214 462661 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :exsanity quodlibet
< 1443634223 497195 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :exinsanity
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< 1443637820 884986 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@2a02:a448:4a62:0:548d:2bb6:e105:b48e QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
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< 1443638712 539651 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-94.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone on?
< 1443638855 455893 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo `whoami` is on
< 1443638856 268023 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​`whoami` is on
< 1443638859 668829 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1443638907 848650 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`whoami
< 1443638908 888324 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoami: cannot find name for user ID 5000
< 1443638922 335629 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` wc -l /etc/passwd
< 1443638923 730647 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wc: /etc/passwd: No such file or directory
< 1443638969 986324 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah
< 1443638983 64549 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no passwd file = no sudo, I presume
< 1443639002 214004 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least, that would make sense
< 1443639333 579343 :mauris_!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl NICK :mauris
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< 1443640716 140393 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` who am i
< 1443640717 45701 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1443641049 294372 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` can i condemn this man to slavery
< 1443641050 185812 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: can: command not found
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< 1443644985 125521 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : no passwd file = no sudo, I presume <-- it runs in some sort of container too iirc. It used to use User mode linux, not sure it it migrated to something more modern or not
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< 1443645372 119669 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still UML.
< 1443645418 937422 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The sandbox itself is called "UMLBox".)
< 1443645468 823262 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I know, I use it for another purpose myself
< 1443645514 825618 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I actually run apparmor + umlbox to try to protect against bugs in umlbox as well
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< 1443646777 475971 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan yafgc is a drug, you should warn people before posting links like that
< 1443646777 691260 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
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< 1443648142 849539 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-94.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :uGH
< 1443648148 424840 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-94.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Ugh
< 1443648256 260585 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-94.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm modifying a stripped-down variant of a toy language called "IMP" by Jay Conrod (http://www.jayconrod.com/posts/37/a-simple-interpreter-from-scratch-in-python-part-1) and I'm trying to implement operator right associativity for a recently-added ^ operator (which I know is usually bitwise xor in programming, but I think it makes more sense to use it as exponentation for arithmetic). I have NO clue how to do it.
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< 1443648684 780568 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-94.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone have any ideas?
< 1443648744 126193 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-164-249.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :How are you parsing?
< 1443648763 423062 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-94.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: Combinators. How else? xD
< 1443648785 183575 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-94.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a n00b, and it's based largely on the work of someone else who does parsers, so
< 1443648796 367933 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-94.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(who used parser combinators)
< 1443648803 364413 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-164-249.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, how are you doing the operators in it?
< 1443648827 361923 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-94.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It' someone else's work, that I just barely understand
< 1443648838 670861 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-94.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The operator parser is produced with a FOR loop
< 1443648873 773915 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-94.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That produces a series of EXP parsers (which generate lists of things separated by other things) with ALTERNATE parsers separating them, such as to produce operator precedence
< 1443648922 60132 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-94.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried something that I doubted would work, but it worked better than I thought. That is, instead of crashing or producing random answers, it did absolutely nothing
< 1443648988 308185 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-94.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may have to produce a "REVEXP" combinator that works in reverse
< 1443649375 765593 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-94.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm now going to make a language called "MegaStackLang", which should basically be the most powerful RPN language ever made.
< 1443649381 100893 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-94.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sort of like PostScript
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< 1443649444 405428 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-94.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :With FOR loops and all these nice things
< 1443649467 364519 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :) x
< 1443649472 765893 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh
< 1443649475 633310 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :( x
< 1443649475 811238 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-092-072-164-249.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :No such variable x
< 1443649511 249171 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's that apl/j like language of the guy that used to do stuff here? :s
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< 1443649713 580943 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-164-249.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: Will it allow a foreach-until loop?
< 1443649733 406722 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-94.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: Never head of that loop
< 1443649738 116462 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-94.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But probably yes
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< 1443649850 730752 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-164-249.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I once got to use this crazy forth variant that allowed any loop opener to be used with any loop closer, and what I was doing was most easily expressed by opening with foreach and closing with until.
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< 1443650652 325832 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-94.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO my syntax is fairly simple
< 1443650674 317774 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-164-249.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: Okay, so, the right-associative operator should be doable without Exp, because Exp is meant to avoid left-recursion, but you can parse a right-associative operator with right-recursion.
< 1443650711 561944 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-94.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a standard stacky lang with the added part where {...code...} is lazily evaluated (that is, it's pushed on the stack to be evaluated later)
< 1443650768 418095 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-94.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(This is for MegaStackLang)
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< 1443655751 889796 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be great to have a language where <<<<<<< etc. are valid identifiers, to make merges difficult.
< 1443655854 312989 :FireFly!firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ 'myname: this one?'
< 1443655854 966055 :j-bot!~j-bot@li1285-84.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: myname: this one?
< 1443655871 837097 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean common rather than valid
< 1443655873 994136 :FireFly!firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although that is J, not J-like
< 1443656085 468600 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let (<<<<<<<) = (*) in 3 <<<<<<< 5
< 1443656086 889953 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 15
< 1443656143 666168 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
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