>+<<[p->+<]>[-<+>]<-] becomes *0 0 n
< 1442160344 758640 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm
< 1442160357 456545 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i may have misremembered
< 1442160380 654529 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's splitting _that_ into characters that's impossible
< 1442160428 692741 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's quite possible, at least I see quite a few difficulties...
< 1442160490 452900 :ProofTechnique!~Ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds
< 1442160576 222897 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway ->
< 1442160580 181236 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Later
< 1442160859 625146 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren_: wait, you haven't done the halfwidth hangul letters (not full syllables) yet!
< 1442161659 92498 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44166&oldid=44161 5* 03Scoppini 5* (+11) 10
< 1442161850 181864 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plot of the day: http://zem.fi/bfjoust/vis/cycles/
< 1442162046 595333 :darkl0ck!~v1rtuehea@TOROON2634W-LP130-02-1279477922.dsl.bell.ca JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442162065 564678 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Brainfuck14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44167&oldid=44165 5* 03Rdebath 5* (+51) 10/* Computational class */ Make the clarification a direct link.
< 1442162307 477852 :Elite-1!5f760a3b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.95.118.10.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a cool diagram. respect.
< 1442162543 210728 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :d3? Eeek.
< 1442162886 384849 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, the summaries are just ~200 kB.
< 1442163021 167874 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442163165 465800 :ProofTechnique!~Ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442163208 937628 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ἀἁἂἃἄἅἆἇἈἉἊἋἌἍἎἏ
< 1442163228 738538 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.orenwatson.be/fontdemo.htm
< 1442163233 667972 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're up
< 1442163236 204025 :ProofTechnique!~Ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net QUIT :Client Quit
< 1442163262 70593 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bonus: ♔♕♖♗♘♙☢☣✥✦✧✨❓❔❕❖❗❛❜❝❞❟❠❢❣❤❥❶❷❸❹❺❻❼❽❾❿
< 1442163286 522009 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :great
< 1442163342 558292 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren_: demo is up but the font isn't
< 1442163360 427041 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren_: please upload font
< 1442163365 196616 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :try refresing a few time
< 1442163381 853997 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, works now
< 1442163382 629409 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks
< 1442163396 711156 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :great, accented greek is up
< 1442163406 968518 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :browser and isp caches are annoyng
< 1442163418 583369 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren_: you can set them with directives and stuff
< 1442163445 758308 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren_: anyway, what's next? halfwidth separate Korean letters, Georgian?
< 1442163491 751502 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren_: or Hebrew with vowel points and fullwidth Korean syllables?
< 1442163497 32393 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :all ten thousand of them?
< 1442163529 856719 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hebrew voels points are already in, but
< 1442163545 915816 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't figure out how to demo them
< 1442163605 893375 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a program that does the tables :
< 1442163608 707750 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :u8tbl 0x1f00 0x1f6f
< 1442163647 205445 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe an idea ould be to place a character beteen each one?
< 1442163655 890149 :darkl0ck!~v1rtuehea@TOROON2634W-LP130-02-1279477922.dsl.bell.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1442163739 623492 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren_: I mean the pre-composed characters
< 1442163743 449425 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or are those not in unicode/
< 1442163762 969978 :Elite-1!5f760a3b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.95.118.10.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are
< 1442163763 368945 :darkl0ck!~v1rtuehea@TOROON2634W-LP130-02-1279477922.dsl.bell.ca JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442163897 136889 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm maybe I should just do many of the alphabetic presentation forms block
< 1442163898 745009 :Elite-1!5f760a3b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.95.118.10.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is it you are doing? is it possible to create characters by drawing more of them into "one cell"?
< 1442163930 457781 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren_: do georgian. it's not easy, but it's at least plausible to use in a monospaced font.
< 1442163942 815971 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1442163960 664799 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that does look plausible
< 1442163969 882848 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still like this font because you did a great work on the latin letters though
< 1442164015 126163 :Elite-1!5f760a3b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.95.118.10.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so.. you are designing fonts? :)
< 1442164068 37455 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Elite-1: what? who? I'd never do such a thing. that's for trained professionals. :-)
< 1442164094 978951 :Elite-1!5f760a3b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.95.118.10.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol. just would like to understand what is the actual challange.. a keyword or sth
< 1442164136 843207 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Elite-1: no, I was just doing crazy stuff like proofreading a font oren makes, at midnight when I should really have gone to bed instead, and finding several mistakes.
< 1442164142 103760 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which he then fixed.
< 1442164170 118877 :Elite-1!5f760a3b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.95.118.10.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhum. that's so nice of yours.
< 1442164194 580692 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that was back when it was easy, with mostly common characters. Now, when it's all big, I can no longer do that.
< 1442164208 764792 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even know how most of these crazy characters are supposed to work.
< 1442164245 105721 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm basically just looking up the unicode consortium's pdfs and working off those
< 1442164272 696773 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, who'd put futhark runes in a monospaced font? Runes that are generally written with a ton of ligatures in most words, that is.
< 1442164275 975359 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :poll: should I try evil-mode or neovim first?
< 1442164286 174110 :Elite-1!5f760a3b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.95.118.10.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well. the meaning of life is to give life a meaning.
< 1442164301 981081 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: use ed
< 1442164318 582155 :darkl0ck!~v1rtuehea@TOROON2634W-LP130-02-1279477922.dsl.bell.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
< 1442164381 789864 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :did anyone try acme or sam?
< 1442164389 683501 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :the plan9 editors
< 1442164515 652271 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren_: why green?
< 1442164534 492581 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren_: incidentally, do your line growing characters cover all of the two Commodore 64 character sets?
< 1442164538 994871 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :green highlights the new characters
< 1442164603 44324 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea
< 1442164661 219030 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PETSCII
< 1442164710 368500 :darkl0ck!~v1rtuehea@TOROON2634W-LP140-02-2925477211.dsl.bell.ca JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442164725 627056 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's interesting with the lines that re shifted up down left and right
< 1442164740 806444 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :note that it's tricky, because it uses inverted characters to increase the count, so it doesn't have the graphical characters that are inverses of the others in the set
< 1442164745 948629 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the circles similarly.. I don'y have those
< 1442164751 738107 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :eg. has a bottom half block, but not a top half
< 1442164763 677360 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the video card can easily invert it
< 1442164771 253388 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :video "card"
< 1442164772 294096 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :um
< 1442164775 687889 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the video chip or something
< 1442164806 573663 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1442164821 658982 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have most of them but not the shifted circles
< 1442164847 413955 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the JKIU
< 1442164876 112660 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually hmm
< 1442164882 359269 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait I have those
< 1442164928 926694 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :diagonal half block, I dunno if there is one in unidoce
< 1442164955 868639 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren_: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PETSCII#Codepage_layout
< 1442164969 512583 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is, though that table might not help you find the inverses
< 1442165004 905748 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats a triangle though ◤
< 1442165030 42589 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren_: I was wondering because you have had the rounded corner line drawing characters for a while
< 1442165037 609997 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the commodore it goes to the upper and lower edges
< 1442165065 894777 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like I have almost everything
< 1442165275 729901 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren_: do yuo have the left and right diagonally striped blocks?
< 1442165353 586858 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren_: hmm, apparently the C64 used a different (but related) character set for storing characters, and for displaying them in the video memory
< 1442165363 3296 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(just like modern linux systems on the vga console)
< 1442165372 849334 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they actually have the letters in different positions
< 1442165376 39252 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.c64-wiki.com/index.php/Character_set
< 1442165411 818309 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the normal character set contains control characters for all keystrokes,
< 1442165428 955833 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the video memory character set is the one that has the inverted characters
< 1442165680 314974 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bill. Sorcery. 2B. As an additional cost to play Bill, obtain permission to play Bill from target player. You do not have to show Bill to that player before obtaining permission. You control that player during that player's next turn.
< 1442165734 717486 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: an un-card?
< 1442165751 999256 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Certainly a gray-border.
< 1442165763 774534 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"can I play the bill?" "uh, sure, thanks". "ok" *places card* "wha?"
< 1442165772 863414 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exactly.
< 1442165807 512417 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you mean "silver-bordered"? silver is shinier than gray so we call it that
< 1442165846 623143 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442165906 378182 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://twitter.com/RoboRosewater/status/642771114020745217 - so this is impossible to play, right?
< 1442166003 504440 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :could both players play it at the same time?
< 1442166085 27575 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm reasonably sure the Magic rules never ask two players to make a decision simultaneously.
< 1442166120 824897 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: yes. but MaRo doesn't care about templating, so that might not be what he wanted.
< 1442166218 593305 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442166502 697058 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Zodiac Working Group14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44168&oldid=44075 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+113) 10Created Page
< 1442166510 500907 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :WTF?
< 1442166517 202515 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't just create the page xD
< 1442166570 453203 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds
< 1442166776 640814 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's weird. a newly created page doesn;t normally have a oldid
< 1442166858 10503 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's probably just an edit message?
< 1442166929 357480 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the next version of my font will contain a demonstration of my utterly inability to draw a pentagon
< 1442166944 72697 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren_: FireFly: I forgot that I hadn't just created the page
< 1442166981 376068 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I'm tempted to work on my fixed-width fonts again
< 1442167002 769521 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: what fixed width fonts do you have?
< 1442167013 458529 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Python addeed an
< 1442167024 320746 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...infix matrix multiplication operator :)
< 1442167025 686764 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember where I put them, but I've linked to them in here before
< 1442167030 732215 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll see if I can find it
< 1442167039 306112 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :matrix() @ matrix()
< 1442167043 185149 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should work on a demo page showing my terminal font with various example texts and showing all characters
< 1442167046 138242 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: yep
< 1442167046 855615 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know
< 1442167073 398692 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least all non-control characters, because the control characters can be hard to access
< 1442167077 260522 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's always UTF-8-demo.txt
< 1442167122 518648 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: I know it's easy, yes
< 1442167127 803279 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just lazy
< 1442167156 819748 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://xen.firefly.nu/up/pixfont/index.html there's this thing
< 1442167169 21004 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know what I can use as example text in natural language (it's obvious: the three poems of which I have a copy on my homepage), but I also need some sort of sample of a programming language that shows off ascii punctuation somehow
< 1442167186 556314 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :The other various fonts cover too little to be of any use, I think
< 1442167188 747490 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you recommend some example that shows off _all_ ascii punctuation nicely in some realistic way?
< 1442167223 325231 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could cover a lot with carefully selected C, I guess
< 1442167230 388906 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and I need a lorem ipsum of course
< 1442167298 126351 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that reminds me, I wanted to check something
< 1442167454 671355 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.orenwatson.be/scrip77.htm <- is this a good example?
< 1442167514 634163 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.orenwatson.be/bfim.htm or this one
< 1442167564 879022 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm not really.
< 1442167588 28401 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the latter isn't
< 1442167596 307111 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno
< 1442167608 215242 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ideally a sample would be short but contain things like += and *= to demonstrste the alignment of characters
< 1442167612 348833 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was hoping for somethign short, but it's probably impossible to get something that's both short and natural and shows off all characters
< 1442167668 319925 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm… http://www.jsoftware.com/jwiki/Essays/Incunabulum would be too evil, and doesn't contain a ^
< 1442167691 112317 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :heck, it doesn't even contain a /
< 1442167698 823878 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously
< 1442167705 769252 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :C code without a slash
< 1442167854 60674 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can have a C code without a slash if you do not have any comments, divisions, and subdirectories
< 1442167854 628169 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
< 1442167929 664965 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.orenwatson.be/Cdemo.htm
< 1442167972 155612 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yep.
< 1442168147 757662 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm did I miss anything?
< 1442168160 835473 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :$@` are not in C?
< 1442168168 960949 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah they aren;t
< 1442168184 488321 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren_: you can put those in strings
< 1442168198 407073 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And GCC has an extension allowing $ in identifiers.
< 1442168204 112877 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right but you can but any bytes in a string
< 1442168205 8674 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren_: you need a backslash though
< 1442168217 623373 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren_: and curly braces
< 1442168224 412160 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Trigraphs!
< 1442168233 478394 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, a question mark too
< 1442168240 408032 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need a question mark
< 1442168249 884651 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You do need a question mark for trigraphs, that's true.
< 1442168257 142887 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and apostrophes
< 1442168263 422152 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :<% and %> work for curly braces, though.
< 1442168287 144330 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: um, not in a font that I want to use in a sane way, no
< 1442168322 495122 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :those align nicely in my font
< 1442168347 712409 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the < is centred vertically behind the %
< 1442168463 455234 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Digraphs are a lot nicer than trigraphs.
< 1442168485 782501 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren_: you're missing an end tag for the in the generated files
< 1442168488 906634 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The <% and %> looks like nicely in the font I am using
< 1442168543 86678 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: allowed by html standard
< 1442168546 700799 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think
< 1442168661 634772 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :%:include "stdio.h"
< 1442168814 612273 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if(a<:i:>==3)<%printf("%d\n",??-a??(i??))??>
< 1442168825 148874 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Cood14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44169&oldid=44164 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (+0) 10
< 1442168836 57414 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren_: You missed a golden opportunity for ??/
< 1442168860 300940 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren_: add in some pascal code where [ ] { } have digraphs (. .) (* *) iirc
< 1442168863 117724 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: wiat they wrok inside srting!???
< 1442168883 421736 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Microscript14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44170&oldid=43375 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (+35) 10/* Example programs */
< 1442168884 640900 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren_: yes, that's the whole point of trigraphs
< 1442168886 17293 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren_: Yes, trigraphs happen *before tokenizing*.
< 1442168899 691240 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trigraphs are basically implemented via a quick sed before all processing happens.
< 1442168914 581112 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Digraphs, on the other hand, or just alternate names for tokens.
< 1442168946 296595 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, but, if you're on a system where { doesn't exist, then what happens if you print "??<"?
< 1442168977 459240 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you're violating spec: { is part of the required character set. :)
< 1442168994 392474 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what
< 1442169028 958218 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren_: you probably get an ä or á
< 1442169041 636608 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeaaah, trigraphs are Really Really Dumb.
< 1442169043 277691 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is actually the same as {
< 1442169056 584994 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They are literally required to exist as part of the runtime character set.
< 1442169056 907815 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm no
< 1442169058 159838 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :not an á
< 1442169062 588744 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :an ä or an é
< 1442169066 823143 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ic
< 1442169085 203824 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know my iso-646, sorry
< 1442169140 263900 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442170194 157105 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Combine trigraphs with the ternary if
< 1442170356 480540 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1442170465 651234 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the logical or that the standard uses as example for trigraphs -- ??!??! -- is already p. silly.
< 1442170576 731298 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fortunately, that's easier to deal with: %:include and then just use or
< 1442170793 315699 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442170946 127031 :sc00fy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1442171077 175830 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there should be a header that enables code to be written in 6-bit codes
< 1442171080 575412 :x10A94!~x10A94@178.252.73.97 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1442171142 468013 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like ECMA-1
< 1442171228 595785 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait you'd need something to replace character case
< 1442171655 724293 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442172476 775162 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442172501 97029 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren_: go the whole way and make it 5-bit telegraph codes with shift
< 1442172529 592762 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean 5-bit telegraph codes with two planes and lock shifts
< 1442172752 539444 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's frankly kinda silly the spec permits not-ASCII...
< 1442172793 152450 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: actually there's a proposal that would require C++ compilers to have a mode where they accept utf-8 source files, even if the default mode uses other crazy character sets
< 1442172807 303145 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: but you can't require ASCII because C is used on EBCDIC machines actually
< 1442172817 287234 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :requiring ASCII would be unreasonable
< 1442173175 390917 :sc00fy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442173429 681653 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :SC0000000000000000000000000FY!
< 1442173466 908698 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PART #esoteric :"ENTHUSIASTIC CHICKEN"
< 1442173467 89475 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442173501 113239 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :where is boily been anyway?
< 1442173505 596230 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Canada I think#
< 1442173505 797860 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/been //
< 1442173916 162195 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think boily is live at Canada and I also live at Canada
< 1442173954 936620 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it wasn't really meant as a geography question.
< 1442173969 123176 :atrapado!~atrapado@unaffiliated/atrapado JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442174441 360312 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what... you're in Canada? I didn't know
< 1442174451 155675 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I- I'm so sorry, zzo38
< 1442174454 2316 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I- I didn't know
< 1442174455 301201 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::,(
< 1442174462 620082 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't most of this channel in Finland anwyay?
< 1442174467 975845 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the rest in the UK?
< 1442174478 416128 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty much
< 1442174499 505816 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I /don't/ think Finland is part of the UK, b_jonas
< 1442174505 49690 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I'm aware, and have had the misfortune of using said machines.
< 1442174557 866848 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm of the opinion that such machines have done more monetary damage than IBM has profited from them.
< 1442174559 644149 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In theory, yes" is the first message I sent when I hold ^
< 1442174560 42972 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: oh dear. when? for banking?
< 1442174591 216947 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically.
< 1442174605 828872 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: in this century?
< 1442174612 477313 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In this *year*.
< 1442174620 212758 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Does anyone have any ideas for slightly esoteric ISAs?"
< 1442174630 184628 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Something about the same level of esotericness as my variable-length instruction VM"
< 1442174632 763694 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know!!!
< 1442174647 578985 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :BANCStar is evil
< 1442174654 907022 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just have to remind everyone for today
< 1442174673 204855 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: But yeah. EBCDIC is a crime against humanity and not only should it be scoured from the planet, it should be scoured from the timeline.
< 1442174673 755804 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: but it uses fixed length instructions
< 1442174677 437968 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :As bad as it is, it isn't quite *that* bad.
< 1442174687 693001 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yes, IBM's encryption standard.
< 1442174705 219825 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like EBCDIC either, it is pretty badly designed. ASCII is better
< 1442174707 413118 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: but then you'd need much more complicated hardware in the punch card readers, woudln't you?
< 1442174716 133705 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: same
< 1442174722 668590 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Of couse it does. Therer are fucking /machine codes/ that don't use fixed length inscructions
< 1442174742 856769 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the bright side, if I felt like it I could go brute force login all Internet-exposed mainframes and trash them.
< 1442174765 223642 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Amusingly, no, the *software* being buggy is what prevented them from shipping with ASCII.
< 1442174810 888526 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hollerith works for punch cards though, you do not need EBCDIC
< 1442174845 36003 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: how would that help?
< 1442174877 438147 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'd be unhappy but begrudgingly accept a world in which IBM was merely forced to adopt UTF-EBCDIC.)
< 1442174954 584811 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll grudgingly admit that EBCDIC made some sense with punched cards. Oh and at the time where engineers still were thinking about decimal based computing.
< 1442174962 282893 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like UTF-EBCDIC either, that is just as terrible as real EBCDIC and perhaps more so, but at least it allows you to convert ASCII stuff that isn't in EBCDIC into EBCDIC.
< 1442175026 882086 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Yes, although for punch cards I would just use Hollerith anyways (for purely numeric data you could use Postnet instead)
< 1442175030 272803 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Have the decimal IEEE 754 formats ever been implemented in hardware? If so, is any of that hardware still in use today?)
< 1442175036 43903 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: The irony is, EBCDIC *was not intended to ship*.
< 1442175050 995788 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1442175059 830304 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: EBCDIC was a hack extension of the then-legacy BCD junk.
< 1442175067 776432 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those machines *were intended to ship as ASCII*.
< 1442175094 104994 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They shipped with EBCDIC because the software wasn't ported yet, and they never went back and fixed it.
< 1442175109 75265 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IBM literally externalized the cost of their tech debt on everyone else.
< 1442175149 462623 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Yeah, it's not great but it's better than not even representing common characters.
< 1442175150 536404 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: exactly, ebcdic is the way it is because it's easy to read from punch cards. the low four bits are usually read from the lower nine rows of the card, and three bits above are read from the top three rows of the card. and storing letters on the punch cards is a hack when they originally stored numbers only.
< 1442175191 192739 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :decimal numbers. of course.
< 1442175214 18016 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(What else?! I wasn't born with 16 fingers!)
< 1442175256 260522 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: sure. decimal is enough for sorting census data with card sorting machines. surely the workers can't be expected to convert numbers from decimal to octal and back in their head when computers barely existed.
< 1442175262 559738 :Elite-1!5f760a3b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.95.118.10.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :12 fingers for homo sapiens sapiens sapiens
< 1442175327 386101 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have once invented the "FORMCARD" specification, a protocol and file format for transfering form data. Although the protocol uses only ASCII (it is not specific to any transport mechanism, you can use RS-232, telephones, TCP/IP, stored in a file, QR codes, etc), the types of fields are "H" (which stands for "Hollerith"), "P" ("Postnet"), "A" ("Automatic"), and "M" ("Manual"). There is no EBCDIC.
< 1442175347 383307 :Elite-1!5f760a3b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.95.118.10.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i say, let's go for it. let's breed mutatant kids to become autistic computing machines. we need this when the machine will turn against us.
< 1442175365 936777 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whether or not any characters which are not in Hollerith can be entered into a "H" type field is implementation-dependent.
< 1442175397 57944 :Elite-1!5f760a3b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.95.118.10.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :microfilm, punch cards, mutant kids and john connor
< 1442175408 502786 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION should lunch.
< 1442175450 863768 :Elite-1!5f760a3b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.95.118.10.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and maybe a poster of kylie minoque to give life a meaning)
< 1442175515 177772 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remembered I had stuff also for calculations, expandable fields, formatting (for printout or HTML or whatever), barcodes, namespace URIs, and some others
< 1442175523 119903 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like this kind of idea?
< 1442175700 352346 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can avoid having to make up a separate form for computer and for filling on paper
< 1442175750 852284 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't you use html to represent forms?
< 1442175962 71540 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :HTML is only if you are doing it on computer in web browser with internet; mine is more general-purpose, also has some more sophisticated features but can be easier to parse than HTML
< 1442175978 277270 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :um no… html can be printed too
< 1442175995 787356 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :HTML+CSS is designed in a way that it can describe printed documents
< 1442176031 113614 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes it can, but HTML forms aren't so good for printout (you could use CSS too, but that still requires you to format it yourself)
< 1442176050 98739 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nor does it allow forms like Scantron forms to be used, or punch cards
< 1442176063 401015 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it still requires a web browser.
< 1442176080 857793 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: so you want one of those forms with little rectangles reserved for each handwritten character, which the tax bureau uses?
< 1442176097 476246 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it requires a web browser for whoever designs the forms and prints them,
< 1442176107 317384 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :not for the people who get the printed form and fill it with handwriting
< 1442176110 328124 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442176148 469821 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, one box per character is also a way to format them, but the formatting should be independent
< 1442176198 111514 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :FORMCARD is design a common protocol instead; you can have them convert to HTML or DVI or whatever, and even if you want, to convert the HTTP post data back into FORMCARD data on the back end, although these are only some possibilities, not all.
< 1442176283 777659 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :FORMCARD supports formatting hints, but rather the hint specifies stuff like "important" or "required" or "office use only" or which fields should be grouped together in rows/columns, not such things as how exactly it looks like or the font size or color or anything like that.
< 1442176627 840455 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another possible form layout you might use is if you have the boxes to write each character and underneath also the circles you can fill in and the computer will scan it; you could use Hollerith or Postnet for filling in such things, is one way
< 1442176689 941076 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm… not sure the tax bureau would like if I used Hollerith to fill my tax forms. And how'd I even type the "á" in the name or address?
< 1442176763 422837 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly you first have to apply for an ascii name.
< 1442176781 720586 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or move)
< 1442176796 922963 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did not say the tax bureau (or anyone else) has to use it
< 1442176815 264850 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: there might be a boostrapping problem there, I might need to write my old name to apply for a new one.
< 1442176829 695163 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just like, they don't have to use HTML, they don't have to use FORMCARD either.
< 1442176853 695337 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION still has trouble distinguishing between zzo38 discussing established standards and zzo38 discussing his own pet projects.
< 1442176874 654537 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: you don't say
< 1442176878 28734 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: sure. they use that crazy java-based form filling program instead, and then refuse to help people when the program has a bug and doesn't allow entering their valid data.
< 1442177095 977233 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But at least you can extract the html version of the guide from the java program (just unzip it), whereas otherwise it's available only as a pdf.
< 1442177124 403901 :sc00fy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1442177125 779066 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't have to use Java either, clearly
< 1442177136 523654 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should do that automatically for all their forms and put the htmls up on the web so that people or web crawlers can access the html versions.
< 1442177142 284327 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I checked, their license allows it.
< 1442177158 112775 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It says I can redistribute their guides in unmodified form.
< 1442177170 804785 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I once thought it was a good idea to have an online voting sytem for elections. then I realized if we did that, the top candidates would be harry dick, bob loblaws, and hitler didnothingwrong
< 1442177179 460824 :Elite-1!5f760a3b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.95.118.10.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :y not use .MD?
< 1442177218 314220 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :therefore, I want to keep the election system paper-based
< 1442177233 926051 :Elite-1!5f760a3b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.95.118.10.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :much better. just use one of the hundreds of .MD -> HTML serving engines/templates
< 1442177252 766568 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :markdown is total and complete shit that's why
< 1442177276 819427 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( you're in a maze of twisty markdown processors, all different )
< 1442177278 804815 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Markdown doesn't seem so good for forms anyways
< 1442177281 616914 :Elite-1!5f760a3b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.95.118.10.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cookie?
< 1442177294 864235 :Elite-1!5f760a3b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.95.118.10.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*yummyumm*
< 1442177323 462277 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :no cookie, thought bubble
< 1442177326 484133 :Elite-1!5f760a3b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.95.118.10.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can even create tables wth | pipes
< 1442177379 52356 :Elite-1!5f760a3b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.95.118.10.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh you want input forms.
< 1442177550 709654 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree to keep the election system paper-based
< 1442177738 524961 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't care either way, because once I achieve world domination, any remaining elections won't influence anything anyway.
< 1442177887 288527 :Elite-1!5f760a3b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.95.118.10.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need the elections just to make the people elect, silly.
< 1442177892 40782 :Elite-1!5f760a3b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.95.118.10.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :;>
< 1442177940 407073 :Elite-1!5f760a3b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.95.118.10.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's part of a good world domination plan
< 1442178061 61012 :Elite-1!5f760a3b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.95.118.10.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :world domination may be overrated anyway
< 1442178185 904517 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442178298 75725 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in
< 1442178661 101379 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Elite-1: sure, they're elect a parliment that doesn't have any power.
< 1442178667 76407 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I don't really care how they do that.
< 1442179682 710367 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442180503 608788 :atrapado!~atrapado@unaffiliated/atrapado QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1442181214 348057 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : It's not confusion, it's knowing that I have ADHD and will likely start more than 12 projects xD
< 1442181224 445181 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : I still don't understand coroutines
< 1442181234 754667 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :coroutines are the ADHD of programming hth
< 1442181260 633607 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're doing one routine, and then *poof* you're doing another instead
< 1442181349 805707 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also y'all talk to much
< 1442181354 103182 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*too
< 1442181522 414988 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's been entirely silent for, like, an hour.
< 1442181695 568154 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another channel is wondering if the reason I am like I am is because my eyebrows, despite their volume, can't express anger
< 1442181908 598289 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :try applying war paint hth
< 1442182016 543905 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what
< 1442182031 682648 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the way I am includes rarely expressing anger)
< 1442182164 356060 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also includes voluminous but calm eyebrows?
< 1442182171 442155 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes
< 1442182176 65928 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: have you played factorio twh
< 1442182179 788671 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1442182196 50967 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that should probably go in wisdom.pdf
< 1442182198 123383 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I have not, what is factorio
< 1442182216 381308 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :a game where you build and automate things
< 1442182271 344923 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Link?
< 1442182411 743770 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442182633 720066 :evalj!~jeval@BC066B86.catv.pool.telekom.hu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1442182657 322305 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw2-54f80e-20.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds
< 1442182667 462330 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.factorio.com/
< 1442182836 141756 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that looks awesome
< 1442182883 801694 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :We have a multiplayer game going.
< 1442183055 914066 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? taneb
< 1442183065 501044 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, is this the zachtronics thign
< 1442183066 623449 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb is not elliott, no matter who you ask. He also isn't a rabbi although he has pretended in the past. He has at least two backup keyboards with dodgy SHIFT KEys, and cube root of five genders. (See also: tanebventions)
< 1442183142 652062 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` sed -i 's/and //;s/genders./genders, and voluminous but calm eyebrows./' wisdom/taneb
< 1442183146 352385 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1442183149 471635 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? taneb
< 1442183150 163524 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb is not elliott, no matter who you ask. He also isn't a rabbi although he has pretended in the past. He has at least two backup keyboards with dodgy SHIFT KEys, cube root of five genders, and voluminous but calm eyebrows. (See also: tanebventions)
< 1442183179 595249 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ashl: hth
< 1442183187 264040 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: no
< 1442183219 910711 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're right, it's not
< 1442183303 742332 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1442183697 851698 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :*.net *.split
< 1442184971 293404 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there program to send DVI to fax?
< 1442185992 33081 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell int-e where is boily been anyway? <-- i think he went to singapore or something like that? it's in the logs somewhere.
< 1442185992 252044 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1442186089 95908 :Elite-1!5f760a3b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.95.118.10.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell laura i love her
< 1442186089 276524 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1442186129 7250 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is starting to get the hang of closing duplicate SO questions
< 1442186357 607129 :ayylmao!~kline@unaffiliated/kline NICK :kline
< 1442186399 190997 :Elite-1!5f760a3b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.95.118.10.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are fax services, though most of them cost money. in fact analogue fax services drop off a lot. folks tend to give a fax more credibility like for authenticity of documents.
< 1442186399 814680 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In retrospect, "This program has performed an illegal operation and will be shut down" is sort of a hilarious error message.
< 1442186412 699787 :Elite-1!5f760a3b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.95.118.10.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@zzo38: dvi?
< 1442186412 877673 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list
< 1442186417 695025 :Elite-1!5f760a3b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.95.118.10.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: dvi?
< 1442186441 556110 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Elite-1: Which is pretty goofy.
< 1442186443 89395 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :DVI is device indepentent format for printing documents
< 1442186453 354591 :Elite-1!5f760a3b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.95.118.10.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well. in the end, yeah.
< 1442186458 25108 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many users of Windows 95 do you think knew what "performed an illegal operation" meant?
< 1442186465 715022 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, it's not even as though common fax is analog.
< 1442186485 665076 :Elite-1!5f760a3b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.95.118.10.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is, yes.
< 1442186500 985896 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's digital sent through a modem. :)
< 1442186517 561017 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In case you are at a hotel and you do not have a printer then you could try to send it to the hotel's fax machine. I have even seen a hotel room that has a fax line on the wall.
< 1442186554 289753 :Elite-1!5f760a3b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.95.118.10.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's more like a copy. you get this receipt. and, like a timestamp for the transaction.
< 1442186603 284753 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Elite-1: there's actually a user with nick laura, she might get a bit confused
< 1442186620 111081 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Elite-1: Please on't abuse lambdabot.
< 1442186632 738026 :Elite-1!5f760a3b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.95.118.10.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell laura hi..sorry. i was just testing sth
< 1442186632 915435 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1442186656 795329 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442186672 283748 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? sth
< 1442186672 944471 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sth? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1442186691 209445 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@slap lambdabot
< 1442186691 390409 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hits lambdabot with an assortment of kitchen utensils
< 1442186697 418048 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: you were saying?
< 1442186739 913571 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: lambdabot is excluded from the lambdabot abuse rule
< 1442186749 438083 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`le/rn sth/"sth" is short for "something that hibernates".
< 1442186749 618742 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: If I catch *you* doing anything, though...
< 1442186751 767151 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned «sth»
< 1442186764 919033 :Elite-1!5f760a3b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.95.118.10.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do not want to abuse people. but i alwys do that with robots.
< 1442186786 275116 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and thus we doom humanity
< 1442186796 228127 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(again)
< 1442186797 66572 :Elite-1!5f760a3b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.95.118.10.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems so.
< 1442186804 830931 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*grumble* I need to upgrade my OpenWRT router again.
< 1442186814 872046 :Elite-1!5f760a3b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.95.118.10.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but this time it's goin to be a ball
< 1442186820 233922 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: open wrt what?
< 1442186838 463432 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Elite-1: what kind of ball? neutronium?
< 1442186839 527428 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OpenWRT is a Linux distro that runs on consumer routers.
< 1442186850 522774 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fancy
< 1442186855 682742 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only unfortunate thing about it is, upgrading it is not super nice.
< 1442186878 208535 :Elite-1!5f760a3b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.95.118.10.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well.. that's further out than i stand now.. so..erm. probably not.
< 1442186880 895767 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(courtesy of being a "flash the firmware" type of deal rather than "run apt-get update" deal)
< 1442186886 761187 :Elite-1!5f760a3b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.95.118.10.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks for playing anyway.
< 1442186903 640341 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: also i've already constructed unsafeCoerce in lambdabot several times, you know
< 1442186946 134319 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's otherwise quite nice though.
< 1442186956 509384 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's perhaps the least sucky consumer router I've dealt with yet.
< 1442187046 244487 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Did you ever *actually* do it in lambdabot?
< 1442187233 429186 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm pretty sure i got to the > uc 'a' --> 97 stage
< 1442187255 439093 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's sort of my standard test case now
< 1442187263 446926 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*+ :: Int
< 1442187276 277268 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, right, I was thinking of running IO.
< 1442187293 730398 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which I never did because I didn't want to crash it, among other reasons.
< 1442187318 254649 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway they were all variations of #10000, right?
< 1442187331 491985 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah as a mathematician i refer that to the "it's obviously possible" case, then go back to bed with the fire burning
< 1442187357 10839 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i think so?
< 1442187374 86098 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think lambdabot supports the ghci type family thing i found later
< 1442187402 849611 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :being as L.hs is an actual file and not a real GHCi prompt
< 1442187446 268221 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suspect IO is insufficient to crash it nowadays.
< 1442187466 408924 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, the type family thing was different, yes.
< 1442187481 23567 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that only works in ghci, with multiple lines in the same session.
< 1442187485 872866 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1442187509 983932 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's slightly more flexible without Safe mode
< 1442187523 537904 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you can put some of the stuff in modules, and just load two conflicting ones
< 1442187561 827107 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but they must be loaded from GHCi, otherwise the overlap check triggers)
< 1442187599 27110 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think that bug has been fixed yet, i don't recall any patch on the trac
< 1442187706 741224 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: as a mathematician can you find an md5 collision to violate safehaskell with twh
< 1442187719 581108 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be neat
< 1442187739 211089 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :are TypeRep fingerprints using that?
< 1442187810 959113 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm so md5 is reasonably unsafe
< 1442187829 982179 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but engineering a collision by composing types still seems quite a bit of work
< 1442187993 298276 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw2-54f80e-20.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442188191 236521 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: https://ghc.haskell.org/trac/ghc/ticket/7634
< 1442188225 970919 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Note that the description there is probably no longer accurate with the new TypeRep changes.)
< 1442188236 563313 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Well, maybe it still is.)
< 1442188249 767120 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :already reading it
< 1442188328 619519 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The constraints are pretty strict.
< 1442188335 616087 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :A lot of bits are forced to be 0.
< 1442188747 448391 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :my intuition would imply that a large number of fixed bits would _increase_ the chance of collision, by making the space smaller overall?
< 1442188799 661550 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :A lot of bits of the input, I mean. Or maybe I don't follow?
< 1442188829 674842 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If even finding a collision with two arbitrary inputs is hard, surely finding a collision with two inputs with a bunch of constraints is harder.
< 1442188840 51832 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't found the code that actually constructs the fingerprint for a TypeRep ...
< 1442188939 107950 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Typeable.Internal
< 1442189008 409533 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless you mean the MD5 code, which is in GHC.Fingerprint.
< 1442189070 179995 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless you mean the code inside the compiler, which is different but does the same thing.
< 1442189110 429334 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok it's mkPolyTyConApp, looks like it takes a list of the fingerprints for TyCon, kinds and type arguments and passes to fingerprintFingerprints
< 1442189153 531371 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :For applications, yes.
< 1442189171 543911 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There used to be a bug with associativity so now they use a list instead.
< 1442189172 256250 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm particularly interested in those, since they can be built arbitrarily complex
< 1442189200 81006 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :while a TyCon is sort of limited in information content
< 1442189723 3136 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm about to attempt something that sounds pretty difficult.
< 1442189733 425686 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Namely, proving that the infinite cyclic group has at least two elements.
< 1442189756 329283 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fiendish
< 1442189773 829944 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno, I think that's a little too advanced for where I am right now. Instead, I'll try to prove that the infinite cyclic group is not the trivial group.
< 1442189798 38122 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :good move
< 1442189839 55362 :aretecode!~aretecode@50.23.131.206-static.reverse.softlayer.com QUIT :Quit: Toodaloo
< 1442190381 343293 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds promising. Now most people, see, they would just blindly start with the singleton group.
< 1442190536 436426 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ⋄⌷
< 1442190537 298694 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[U+22C4 DIAMOND OPERATOR] [U+2337 APL FUNCTIONAL SYMBOL SQUISH QUAD]
< 1442190665 500 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :All right, I successfully managed to prove a different theorem.
< 1442190673 140395 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Namely: the cyclic group of order 2 has at least two elements.
< 1442190737 190161 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you use the diamond operator and the APL functional symbol squish quad to denote those two elements?
< 1442190742 892504 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No.
< 1442191708 608958 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :factorio looks like a nice little df like
< 1442191729 145540 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442191749 32010 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's nice about it?
< 1442191767 743873 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :the goal is literally to make it boring
< 1442191792 349597 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess i don't really get that kind of game
< 1442191820 412978 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the game is good, it cannot get boring
< 1442191830 675942 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :become even
< 1442191868 578818 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really like Factorio.
< 1442191885 39129 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The idea of the game is that you design stuff and build it.
< 1442191906 53986 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: have you ever played df?
< 1442191950 320045 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's pretty much, like, what I do.
< 1442191954 889862 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's df?
< 1442191958 130255 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :dwarf fortress?
< 1442191965 957414 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1442191972 111446 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :then no
< 1442191978 656450 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do it
< 1442192022 153469 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure why not, it's almost 3am and i just had my 5th coffee
< 1442192032 356481 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I take tools and figure out how to use them to achieve goals.
< 1442192052 798430 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is one of the deepest games out there. sadly it is also one of the most complex ones
< 1442192078 735669 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'd think Mine Tycoon would be a boring game, but it's actually about excavation.
< 1442192132 552661 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :By the way, I'm pretty sure that in tennis, scores of 30–30 and 40–40 are functionally equivalent.
< 1442192148 327899 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In either case, the condition for winning is gaining a two-point lead.
< 1442192222 228269 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats Jafet -----###
< 1442192279 877660 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can someone look over Stare and give me suggestions? http://esolangs.org/wiki/Stare
< 1442192316 181044 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :what kind of suggestions?
< 1442192330 853919 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, I have to fix something first
< 1442192332 520656 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just ideas
< 1442192339 966513 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :New commands, new syntax possiblities, etc.
< 1442192489 653687 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: I like it. Consider eliminating unnecessary instructions.
< 1442192492 697144 :Elite-1!5f760a3b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.95.118.10.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hypnotic dendro-erotic suggestions in order toenslave body and mind
< 1442192537 748274 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: I don't want to make it a Turing Tarpit (or Push-Down Automaton Tarpit), I want to make it a useable, but strange, language
< 1442192539 46634 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD
< 1442192565 302615 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*nod*
< 1442192588 783301 :Elite-1!5f760a3b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.95.118.10.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :consider eliminating relevant instructions then
< 1442192608 19868 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In that case, you're missing the bitwise logic operators.
< 1442192664 358481 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :All you really need is either bitwise "and" or bitwise "or"; bitwise "not" is the same as subtracting from -1. Well... that's if you're using two's complement representation.
< 1442192739 999889 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then you can use de Morgan's laws to get the other one.
< 1442192747 161353 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you may want to just go ahead and include all three.
< 1442192797 870999 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are numbers allowed to be arbitrarily large, or is there a limit to them?
< 1442192830 782531 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ⰀⰁⰂⰃⰄⰅⰆⰇⰈⰉⰊⰋⰌⰍⰎⰏ
< 1442192858 446872 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Stare14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44171&oldid=44132 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+304) 10added a push instruction, fixed up the interpreter description.
< 1442192886 498156 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ႠႡႢႣႤႥႦႧႨႩႪႫႬႭႮႯ
< 1442192889 374352 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ⰀⰁⰂⰃⰄⰅⰆⰇⰈⰉⰊⰋⰌⰍⰎⰏ
< 1442192890 194511 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[U+2C00 GLAGOLITIC CAPITAL LETTER AZU] [U+2C01 GLAGOLITIC CAPITAL LETTER BUKY] [U+2C02 GLAGOLITIC CAPITAL LETTER VEDE] [U+2C03 GLAGOLITIC CAPITAL LETTER GLAGOLI] [U+2C04 GLAGOLITIC CAPITAL LETTER DOBRO] [U+2C05 GLAGOLITIC CAPITAL LETTER YESTU] [U+2C06 GLAGOLITIC CAPITAL LETTER ZHIVETE] [U+2C07 GLAGOLITIC CAPITAL LETTER DZELO] [U+2C08 GLAGOLITIC
< 1442192923 652832 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ︘
< 1442192924 788369 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[U+FE18 PRESENTATION FORM FOR VERTICAL RIGHT WHITE LENTICULAR BRAKCET]
< 1442192929 334720 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ⰴ = GLAGOLITIC ERECT PENIS
< 1442192929 774585 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: The numbers are equivalent to "long"s on the machine on which it was compiled. Or in the case of my implementation, 64-bit integers because I'm using python
< 1442192938 946520 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: *nod*
< 1442192959 410409 :Elite-1!5f760a3b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.95.118.10.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice
< 1442193299 234591 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, I think I'll make the numbers double-precision floating points
< 1442193373 898611 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or in the Python implementation, whatever you call a variable's type in python (as that's how python works))
< 1442193387 658745 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :blarg ?
< 1442193413 590757 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Wait, but what if you call PRINT on a noninteger floating point thing?
< 1442193418 92895 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And what about rounding errors?
< 1442193419 626659 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh well
< 1442193427 18777 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll just use 64-bit integers in this
< 1442193445 460033 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or 32 if compiled as a 32-bit application)
< 1442193450 83405 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode Ⰴ
< 1442193450 812499 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[U+2C04 GLAGOLITIC CAPITAL LETTER DOBRO]
< 1442193478 620287 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't have been completely surprised if it had been GLAGOLITIC ERECT PENIS. Or, I guess, GLAGOLITIC SYMBOL FOR ERECT PENIS.
< 1442193485 339452 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The latter would be more likely.
< 1442193544 879265 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone should add Ⰲ and Ⰴ to myndzi
< 1442193597 491134 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: can you add Ⰲ and Ⰴ twh
< 1442193830 571921 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Stare14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44172&oldid=44171 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+1693) 10Clarified the syntax, added text commands and some new command(s).
< 1442194059 603624 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric +o :oerjan
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< 1442194068 665209 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no MODE #esoteric +b :*!*5f760a3b@*.com/ip.95.118.10.59
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< 1442194068 844662 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no KICK #esoteric Elite-1 :Hi hagb4rd
< 1442194105 506607 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :took me too long to be sure this time...
< 1442194114 778122 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no MODE #esoteric -o :oerjan
> 1442194114 785715 NAMES :#esoteric
< 1442194167 316036 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :who's hagbard?
< 1442194214 731376 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a troll who has been banned here for years
< 1442194218 207527 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everyone, I have a useful video.
< 1442194219 487159 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqEzI9rPvP4
< 1442194220 93113 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth
< 1442194301 86475 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lolwut
< 1442194311 661532 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Stare14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44173&oldid=44172 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+559) 10Always-executed line type, Hello World.
< 1442194334 492071 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's an efficient way to find the longest substring that appears more than once in a string?
< 1442194360 892325 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :1) Go to stack overflow
< 1442194368 918254 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: nice top comment
< 1442194369 817657 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :2) Look up that question exactly
< 1442194393 419119 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :3) Find if it's been answered. If not, ask it. Proceed to step 4. If not, continue normally
< 1442194402 893418 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/4/5
< 1442194421 80592 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :undo
< 1442194440 918942 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/Proceed to step 4. If not, continue normally//
< 1442194449 577353 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :4) Copy code.
< 1442194465 145183 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :5) Profit (from the royalties from the application you just made)
< 1442194482 310439 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was expecting a ??? step
< 1442194520 335434 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope
< 1442194525 300497 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The process it pretty well-defined
< 1442194681 34103 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/11853668/how-do-i-find-the-largest-sequence-in-a-string-that-is-repeated-at-least-once fwiw
< 1442194729 533238 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION did steps 1 and 2 in google instead
< 1442194734 877617 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes i did too
< 1442194756 8400 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zkjoqufbixdrjplt JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442194797 207464 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Stare/1.014]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=44174 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+5133) 10Moved contents of Stare here
< 1442194939 537191 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Stare14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44175&oldid=44173 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (-4846) 10Changed page to a "list" of dialects
< 1442195019 628616 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Stare14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44176&oldid=44175 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+21) 10Fixed opening text to reflect the page rearrangement
< 1442195096 21546 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Stare 1.0 design is complete!
< 1442195136 459237 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The page may change in the future to clarify the design, but no new features will be added to that page's specification
< 1442195187 747001 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stare 2.0 will have support for Functions, libraries, etc.
< 1442195192 587452 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stare 3.0 will add OO support
< 1442195532 419302 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Stare/1.014]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44177&oldid=44174 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+23) 10Fixed some inconsistencies
< 1442195572 571664 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Stare/1.014]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44178&oldid=44177 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+4) 10Linked to the ZWG
< 1442195618 810414 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: btw we do have a "Move" button in the wiki menu
< 1442195620 892898 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Stare/1.014]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44179&oldid=44178 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (-6) 10
< 1442195639 42781 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I know, but I didn't move the entire page, just most of it
< 1442195645 67499 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I kept the opening text
< 1442195653 339698 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The stuff before the Table of Contents
< 1442195657 936118 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm
< 1442195724 742323 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Stare/1.014]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44180&oldid=44179 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+1) 10Grammar
< 1442195849 576681 :Elite-1!5f760a3b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.95.118.10.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin\?
< 1442195850 131408 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat: bin\?: No such file or directory
< 1442195984 233782 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmph
< 1442196026 313001 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric +o :oerjan
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< 1442196040 965132 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no MODE #esoteric -o :oerjan
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< 1442196050 217105 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sic transit gloria mundi
< 1442196093 600171 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So
< 1442196096 671259 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any suggestions yet?
< 1442196423 390827 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Stare14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44181&oldid=44176 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+258) 10Dialect summary
< 1442196478 810183 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Thus goes the glory of the world." No, that can't be the right translation.
< 1442196529 286474 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, apparently that is, in fact, the right translation.
< 1442196537 467987 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except "passes" for "goes" would be better.
< 1442196666 643345 :heddwch!~heddwch@76.8.3.189 NICK :shikh
< 1442196804 36832 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Diseases are transmitted through Gloria's mouth."
< 1442196844 706437 :shikh!~heddwch@76.8.3.189 NICK :heddwch
< 1442196889 153430 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also: ars longa, vita brevis: "our long white beards".
< 1442196916 612045 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I learned both from something that was in Finnish.
< 1442196920 190906 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Stare14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44182&oldid=44181 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+881) 10Rearranged article to list upcoming dialects (by type system)
< 1442196926 352479 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There
< 1442196963 732795 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm planning for a total of 4 differenent Stare dialects, two statically typed and two dynamic
< 1442196970 312605 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Dumbf*ck14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44183&oldid=8347 5* 03108.45.95.33 5* (+181) 10Added info about first implementation
< 1442197013 699703 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Dumbf*ck14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44184&oldid=44183 5* 03108.45.95.33 5* (-22) 10
< 1442197067 680492 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Dumbf*ck14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44185&oldid=44184 5* 03108.45.95.33 5* (-6) 10/* Implementation */
< 1442197250 845313 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Stare14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44186&oldid=44182 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+559) 10Basic Idea
< 1442197278 250420 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may do more Stare dialects in the future
< 1442197391 377385 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is Haskell's If/Then/Else defined in haskell or is it primative?
< 1442197399 591035 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's primitive.
< 1442197402 976960 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah
< 1442197444 378754 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lu98k5vVP-Y
< 1442197460 829316 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :My best guess at a Latin translation for "our long white beards" would be, oh... "nostrae barbae blancae largae".
< 1442197465 811537 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :When in doubt, append -ae to everything.
< 1442197471 3333 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…
< 1442197475 428967 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I can see then and else just being an identity function and if being a function that accepts three arguments and returns the second if the first is true, else the third
< 1442197501 421233 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Making if/then/else a massive lie that is really just there for ease of reading
< 1442197520 176341 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perlskell anyone?
< 1442197541 997203 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is now shipping Perlskell because he is very strange
< 1442197570 222062 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, let's see what it is then
< 1442197576 649400 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What what is?
< 1442197579 872890 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :in agda if then else is just a single function because you can have arbitrary fixity for your functions
< 1442197580 438369 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :perlskell?
< 1442197600 201994 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes
< 1442197602 323857 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah
< 1442197615 931850 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the syntax is "if x then y else z"; if it were as you said, the syntax would have to be "if x (then y) (else z)".
< 1442197617 208900 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like haskell, but with perl's demonic type system
< 1442197621 678708 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seriously
< 1442197623 37611 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In perl
< 1442197628 768640 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"2"+"2" evaluates to 4
< 1442197686 7730 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perlskell: "He was a washed up has-been who was big in the 90's. She was a bookish mathematics professor. Can love bloom? Watch wednesday night at 9!"
< 1442197691 544169 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can see I have left you in a stunned silence
< 1442197707 481794 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren_: Which is which?
< 1442197725 652679 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's much easier to just have then and else be sole inhabitants of the types Then and Else and then have if discard its 2nd and 4th arguments
< 1442197727 325291 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously Haskell is female
< 1442197741 236678 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you /sure/
< 1442197747 807513 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1442197750 848946 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait a minute
< 1442197758 294566 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're both nonbinary.
< 1442197761 692426 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anything ending in elle is female. it's like, arule
< 1442197766 571881 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1442197785 27834 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought there was a tradition of having if' x y z = if x then y else z.
< 1442197785 656698 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember from when I was learning haskell that else is actually a variable defined to "True" in the standard library!
< 1442197789 369916 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arule, the plural of the Italian word "arula".
< 1442197790 454869 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :WTF is going on!?
< 1442197799 600489 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: that was "otherwise".
< 1442197825 608936 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Really?
< 1442197832 981795 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :GT translates "our long white beards" as "longis albis cresceret barba eorum", which I'm sure is wrong.
< 1442197834 231444 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could've sworn it was "else"...
< 1442197835 639043 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src otherwise
< 1442197835 819995 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise = True
< 1442197842 832656 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh
< 1442197843 76599 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and obviously, perl is a washed up has-been who was big in the 90's
< 1442197845 393154 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src if
< 1442197845 574155 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source not found. Whoa.
< 1442197848 97233 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src if'
< 1442197848 278078 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source not found. Have you considered trying to match wits with a rutabaga?
< 1442197854 909892 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src (+)
< 1442197855 89702 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source not found. Sorry about this, I know it's a bit silly.
< 1442197860 597766 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly the if' thing isn't all that widespread.
< 1442197867 394392 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src (!)
< 1442197867 572859 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :arr@(Array l u _) ! i = unsafeAt arr (index (l,u) i)
< 1442197871 422263 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure I've seen it somewhere, though.
< 1442197878 96745 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src fact
< 1442197878 662303 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source not found. The more you drive -- the dumber you get.
< 1442197887 988108 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src factorial
< 1442197888 168832 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source not found. You type like i drive.
< 1442197892 431879 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src ?
< 1442197892 612733 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source not found. Abort, Retry, Panic?
< 1442197904 480435 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE SHOWN ME THAT
< 1442197908 620610 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src src
< 1442197908 801279 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source not found. I feel much better now.
< 1442197930 421170 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src import
< 1442197930 641568 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source not found. Wrong! You cheating scum!
< 1442197932 935837 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src unsafeAt
< 1442197933 116637 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source not found. Maybe you made a typo?
< 1442197933 296925 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did in fact get one thing right in my translation attempt. The Latin word for "beards" is "barbae".
< 1442197943 838302 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src (!)
< 1442197944 19222 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :arr@(Array l u _) ! i = unsafeAt arr (index (l,u) i)
< 1442197957 160357 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the Peano Axiom for exponentation?
< 1442197984 312385 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know of any Peano Axioms for exponentiation?
< 1442198010 207641 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There aren't very many Peano axioms, and exponentiation isn't one of them.
< 1442198033 71667 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :WE MUST DISCOVER IT THEN
< 1442198046 785739 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm creating a computer language, vaguely like Haskell, in which you can define mathematical stuff.
< 1442198056 956356 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is the definition of x**y for natural numbers? You are given only the operation S(x) which returns x+1
< 1442198071 208157 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, define multiplication first.
< 1442198083 568579 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, define addition first.
< 1442198098 261558 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then x**S(y) is x*(x**y) and x**0 is 1.
< 1442198113 248853 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :My language kind of has a definition of the natural numbers.
< 1442198138 421404 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, no, now it *does* have a definition of the natural numbers.
< 1442198138 602765 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoa! /That/'s a mistake!
< 1442198154 6123 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good luck with floating-point!
< 1442198157 813908 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hofstadter's book "Godel, Escher, Bach" discusses a programming language "BlooP" and "FlooP", with conditions as well as comparing numbers and addition and multiplication, counted loops, and a few others.
< 1442198171 230788 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :x+S(y) is S(x)+y and x+0 is x. HTH
< 1442198190 87005 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's the definition of the natural numbers in my language.
< 1442198191 183989 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have found that you don't need conditions, comparison, addition, or multiplication, and can define all of them in terms of the successor operation and counted loops.
< 1442198196 233387 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So yes clearly it is possible to do
< 1442198211 897018 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :variety NatNumAlgebra { sort Nat; zero : Nat; succ : Nat -> Nat; }; presentation NatNum : NatNumAlgebra { };
< 1442198244 63002 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Ah, OK. I can see its working I think
< 1442198264 984295 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :First, you define the concept of a "natural number algebra".
< 1442198267 831738 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Although I don't know what "presentation" does, as the example given is blank)
< 1442198283 785937 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A natural number algebra essentially consists of a set, an element of the set, and a function on the set.
< 1442198284 318508 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But in this case it looks like OK if blank)
< 1442198327 833853 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can see all of that, yes, it is already clearly enough
< 1442198379 39762 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have other examples (including some with "presentation" with some stuff inside { } block)?
< 1442198382 88921 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you define the natural numbers as being the free natural number algebra generated by no generators.
< 1442198397 609719 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, sure. Have... the Klein four-group.
< 1442198426 617636 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :variety Group { algebra : Monoid; inv : Elem -> Elem; forall x : Elem, mult x (inv x) = ident; forall x : Elem, mult (inv x) x = ident; };
< 1442198480 1770 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :presentation KleinFourGroup : Group { a : Elem; b : Elem; mult a a = ident; mult b b = ident; mult a b = mult b a }
< 1442198509 384447 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, OK now I can see how that works
< 1442198559 446249 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to see Peano's Axioms extended to defined for all real- or better, all complex- numbers
< 1442198571 270708 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: interesting!
< 1442198582 27444 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: does the KleinFourGroup sing love songs?
< 1442198600 355258 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: I haven't worked out the language sufficiently far that it can determine that.
< 1442198609 854759 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the path of love is never smooth.
< 1442198697 907615 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pl \x y z -> if x then y else z
< 1442198698 88545 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :if'
< 1442198701 808284 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ^
< 1442198727 744479 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's used there because otherwise @pl wouldn't have anything to return
< 1442198733 543363 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pl \x -> x x
< 1442198733 724378 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :join id
< 1442198749 642174 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pl (\x -> x x) (\x -> x x)
< 1442198752 782701 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :ap id id (ap id id)
< 1442198752 963191 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :optimization suspended, use @pl-resume to continue.
< 1442198776 922508 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pl \y -> (\x -> y (x x)) (\x -> y (x x))
< 1442198777 103539 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :ap (. join id) (. join id)
< 1442198797 949053 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: haskell's if x then y then z is officially syntactic sugar for case x of { True -> y; False -> z }
< 1442198818 872508 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Too bad I can't get the type of that expression.
< 1442198823 772127 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@type ap (. join id) (. join id)
< 1442198824 998431 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Occurs check: cannot construct the infinite type: a0 ~ a0 -> b
< 1442198825 179463 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Expected type: (a0 -> b) -> (a0 -> b) -> b
< 1442198825 179538 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Actual type: ((a0 -> b) -> b) -> (a0 -> b) -> b
< 1442198832 635022 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :case is the most primitive pattern matching construct in the report
< 1442198873 435261 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442198893 386931 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, there's a funny thing about varieties and presentations.
< 1442198909 488749 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Theoretically, presentations are redundant. You could just move all of the things from the presentation into the variety.
< 1442198921 510911 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then use the empty presentation to get the thing you wanted.
< 1442199011 69973 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442199015 492913 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOME!
< 1442199022 285703 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: :D
< 1442199026 74550 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :where were you?
< 1442199031 174147 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you go to NYC two weeks early?
< 1442199035 21967 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :chelloppro!
< 1442199039 886202 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, I was in Singapore :D
< 1442199045 862326 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@massages-loud
< 1442199046 43438 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro said 14d 16h 50m 3s ago: http://csclub.uwaterloo.ca/~scshunt/mj-reference-wip.pdf
< 1442199072 97076 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But presentations are restricted: you can only define nullary operators (that is, constants), not other operators; and identities can't use universal quantification.
< 1442199096 287189 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess ultimately, a presentation is a specific type of way of extending a variety to get another variety.
< 1442199098 952966 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: actually that one's sort of out of date
< 1442199113 973602 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I decided scribus sucked so I've redone the top half in inkscape. Haven't done the table yet though
< 1442199140 763724 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"*munch*", says I with a Double Big Mac in my mouth.
< 1442199170 540263 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: what was in Signapore, besides boily?
< 1442199176 949591 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, it's kind of interesting what a finitely presented natural number algebra turns out to be.
< 1442199177 386975 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :vacation?
< 1442199212 455236 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds
< 1442199214 709069 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Namely: it's a state machine, where there's a defined initial state, and some states have defined successor states.
< 1442199229 995091 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If a state doesn't have a defined successor state, it just automatically gets an anonymous successor state.
< 1442199240 231623 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's possible for two different states to have the same successor state.
< 1442199257 959349 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's no input; the initial state completely determines the sequence of states the machine goes through.
< 1442199294 707257 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: yup. two weeks over there under the sun, with a weekend spent in Malaysia.
< 1442199298 684104 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, you're only allowed to define the successor states for finitely many states; otherwise it wouldn't be finitely presented.
< 1442199327 243466 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice!
< 1442199439 652163 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll upload pictures some time this week.
< 1442199475 968832 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wboily!
< 1442199559 201425 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :serjanlamat pagi!
< 1442199906 954006 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442200138 837997 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hellu
< 1442200224 423895 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Helluppavilion[1]
< 1442200228 46617 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Stare14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44187&oldid=44186 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+170) 10Stare 1.1
< 1442200246 448943 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: ZZZ
< 1442200494 190151 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is "Hellu" anything like "Hello"?
< 1442200558 759045 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a good enough appruximation.
< 1442201276 49373 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Stare/1.114]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=44188 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+946) 10Created update log.
< 1442201299 963825 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Stare/1.214]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=44189 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+534) 10Created Page (WIP)
< 1442201330 940706 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm creating updates more as a symbolic thing than a practical thing xD
< 1442201351 114519 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Yes it is
< 1442201358 996310 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi boily!
< 1442201397 717415 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Honestly, the updates are so that the base isn't too featureful xD
< 1442201599 81808 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How is that?
< 1442201605 784612 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Stare14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44190&oldid=44187 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+298) 10Stare 1.2
< 1442201670 380900 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :should I get factorio?
< 1442202323 460548 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: LAGGED CHICKEN
< 1442202509 621967 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So... I've already planned out a programming language and 2 updates to it, along with some farther-in-the-future updates for later
< 1442202526 491419 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have succeeded
< 1442202527 305440 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1442202527 801547 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1442202622 769671 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You say "so that the base isn't too featureful"; are these extensions, or what is it?
< 1442204453 304143 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Stare 1.0 is the original language, Stare 1.x languages are upgrades of the language, Stare x.0 is an in-house derivative, and Stare x.y is an upgrade of that in-house derivative
< 1442204467 608150 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Third Digit Updates are bugfixes
< 1442204475 583430 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And not to be given a wiki subpage
< 1442204685 587859 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :აბგდევზთიკლმნოპჟრსტუფქღყშჩცძწჭხჯჰჱჲჳჴჵჶჷჸჹჺ
< 1442204694 104800 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm done georgian
< 1442205354 367711 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: OK
< 1442205430 995127 :Hoolootwo!~Hoolootwo@d1g1t4l.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :d
< 1442206445 285113 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@vps2.conus.info JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442206513 107648 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to make a game in Prolog...
< 1442206516 782182 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that possible?
< 1442206520 329286 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What kind of game?
< 1442206524 668759 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know
< 1442206528 477391 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't /really/ want to
< 1442206538 881942 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just want someone to do it and then to get the memory of having done it xD
< 1442206543 832377 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know much about Prolog programming.
< 1442206549 443767 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't either
< 1442206550 974638 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD
< 1442206630 979826 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try to see what you can make with QUACKVM, or a higher level programming language compiler to target it. I would be interested to see what anyone else can do with it.
< 1442206878 876002 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see a apge for QUACKVM
< 1442206882 721291 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving.
< 1442206898 3034 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember how to use QUACK xD
< 1442206960 195295 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is no page in esolang wiki or anywhere else, only a .zip archive containing documentation and C codes and some example programs
< 1442207085 421777 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Want to make a C-Like language for it??
< 1442207114 808636 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(There is a Minesweeper game, Robot find kitten game, a start of a Panel de pon puzzle mode game, a Munching squares demo, and a few other small examples.)
< 1442207146 9321 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just used the assembly language, although you might prefer other kind of programming languages
< 1442207325 41905 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: How do I run a program??
< 1442207328 60434 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Need I compile first?
< 1442207355 754268 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And how do I assemble?
< 1442207381 322406 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Do you have a GitHub?
< 1442207395 308905 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No I do not use GitHub, I just have the plain files
< 1442207404 251767 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK :/
< 1442207411 307846 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a reason for that?
< 1442207424 969104 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, GH is pretty useful
< 1442207457 702783 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is easier and simpler to work with and do not require web browser or a git client or anything else like that, you can just download the file.
< 1442207505 323894 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah.
< 1442207522 242145 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :To run a program you run it specifying the ROM filename on the "quackvm" commandline, optionally followed by a disk filename. The provided implementation might not work except in xterm. To assemble, put filename on commandline of "quackasm"; output goes to stdout and must be redirected to write to the ROM file. (You can also append banks by appending to the file.)
< 1442207530 844455 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it'd get more exposure if you were to put it on GH. You could, of course, share it on GitHub AND have it on your website
< 1442207561 743706 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I need to compile the files first?
< 1442207562 513017 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1442207568 267703 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :GCC will do, correct?
< 1442207579 949648 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, GCC will do, it is what I used.
< 1442207591 108715 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1442207591 788969 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Great
< 1442207600 333723 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or just run them with bash, they should compile if you do that
< 1442207634 241048 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately, I'm a windows user for the moment xD
< 1442207651 293833 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So A) I can't use bash and B) I don't have termios.h
< 1442207666 558980 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you probably cannot compile quackvm.c at all; you could try to write your own implementation though.
< 1442207674 294801 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been meaning to dual-boot with a linux distribution
< 1442207680 997609 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can compile quackvm
< 1442207685 190098 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just not the assembler
< 1442207733 236111 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't expect that implementation to work on Windows. However, you can look at the codes and the documentation and use that to make up your own implementation for Windows.
< 1442207749 770849 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: What is Termios used for?
< 1442207756 871866 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Both in the assembler and in general)?
< 1442207776 735724 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The assembler shouldn't need termios
< 1442207821 724269 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh right
< 1442207823 329208 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The VM implementation uses it to set noncanonical mode
< 1442207839 196906 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was quackvm that broke when I tried compiling
< 1442207856 560153 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a python programmer. Not much C experience. What's noncanonical code?
< 1442207878 211017 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Noncanonical mode for terminals means that input is done by characters rather than by lines.
< 1442207907 521566 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :To use the assembler in Windows, you probably need to add something into the program to make stdout into binary mode (and I will accept patches for it)
< 1442207908 33689 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah
< 1442207916 59556 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK?
< 1442207950 432999 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :While I'm at it, I might as well send you the .exes to pack with it if you wnat
< 1442207955 637155 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :However the .rom files are the output of the .asm files so you don't need to assemble them if you want to use only the existing programs without changing it
< 1442207958 918479 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most windows users are too lazy to compile xD
< 1442207961 670924 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah
< 1442208025 915184 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might be able to do it with... um
< 1442208035 852137 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let me check the python code I copied earlier for /my/ vm
< 1442208053 438174 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :msvcrt
< 1442208095 30854 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want, you can try to make an implementation of QUACKVM for Windows. As long as it is open-source I will agree to either include the files or to make a file that lists the links to the Windows versions as well as any other implementations and related stuff
< 1442208125 771165 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1442208128 537403 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make sure you have the latest quackvm.zip the earlier ones had a few mistakes!
< 1442208129 368349 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't understand C
< 1442208154 149851 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I probably should just use python if I'm going to make an implementation
< 1442208167 209781 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can use Python if you want to, that's OK
< 1442208169 155807 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which makes it cross-platform AND open source
< 1442208182 391003 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you document the file format?
< 1442208196 799046 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume files are flat binaries because you didn't have any suggestions for me xD
< 1442208237 316107 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the URL for the latest zip?
< 1442208239 587540 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note that some features are optional to implement.
< 1442208250 154241 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll implement them anyway xD
< 1442208261 522422 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's OK!
< 1442208263 82621 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi all, is it ok to ask an assembly related question here, or is there a more appropriate channel?
< 1442208284 10191 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :(asking on behalf of a friend who's stuck on a programming assignment. I would know how to solve it if it's not assembly)
< 1442208288 856600 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: I don't know; ask anyways in case anyone knows, but if there are others you can try that too
< 1442208303 626420 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The URL is the same as the previous versions; it is: http://zzo38computer.org/prog/quackvm.zip
< 1442208359 655794 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what the program needs to do is read and validate numbers from the user. from the second number onwards, it also needs to compare the new and last number and print which one was higher.
< 1442208378 966923 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :so say you put in 1, then 2, it compares 2 to 1 and 2 is greater, then you put in 30, it compares 30 to 2 and 30 is greater, etc
< 1442208386 841555 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: But you should nevertheless mention (whether you ask here or elsewhere), assembly language for what computer?
< 1442208401 853954 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastie.org/private/kztje7hm3tuvpdlhauv7ba#27 I think it's called nasm, e.g. this is documentation for it http://www.tortall.net/projects/yasm/manual/html/nasm-effaddr.html
< 1442208413 61843 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the specific problem we're having is, we want to swap the pointers to our two input buffers after reading each number in
< 1442208434 347500 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :so we're always, for example, inputting the newest number into input1, then comparing input1 to input2, then swapping what was in input1 to input2 and reading into input1 again
< 1442208441 844065 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a bit clueless. What exactly does "the predicate succeeding" do in your VM?
< 1442208471 826524 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the problem we're having is that lea input2, dx ; and mov input2, dx ; are both compiler errors.
< 1442208494 402500 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :and we know that it will work if you surround input2 in brackets, like this: [input2] but that does something different - it uses the value input2 is pointing to, not the 'pointer' of input2 itself, and we want to swap the two pointers specifically
< 1442208496 705104 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :(fin)
< 1442208524 264109 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: It matters if the instruction has the predicate bit set; then a cell follows which tells it where to go if the predicate succeeds/fails (depending on the sign bit)
< 1442208545 137378 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: I believe the newest documentation documents that? If it isn't clear, you can tell me and I can try to fix it.
< 1442208563 216903 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm still uploading the newest docs to Drive so I can read them
< 1442208566 977718 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have MS Office xD
< 1442208583 647686 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: It is a plain text file, not a MS Office document
< 1442208589 793143 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a .doc
< 1442208594 647547 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's an MS office document
< 1442208631 927020 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but it is still a plain text file. The .doc extension is used for both (although using it for plain text is a bit old), although Wordpad should be able to open it anyways hopefully?
< 1442208638 998243 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: I don't know much of nasm syntax or x86 instruction set, nor do I know what other channel to try
< 1442208651 76839 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: NP, thanks for hearing me out
< 1442208662 581416 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, here it is
< 1442208665 57755 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :##asm, let me try that
< 1442208669 733911 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: But if someone else happens to be on and who knows the answer, they will answer you too
< 1442208691 671391 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, thanks
< 1442208738 374612 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: So you can read it with Wordpad. (Notepad will not work because Notepad requires CRLF line endings)
< 1442208756 935 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Notepad++ will probably work
< 1442208773 693797 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't matter though, I uploaded it to Google Drive and had Google Docs convert it to a Google Docs document
< 1442208797 742639 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can do that if you want, that is fine, the document is public domain anyways
< 1442208877 20261 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whelp
< 1442208885 541056 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have NO clue how your vm works
< 1442208889 607450 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :All other files there are also public domain.
< 1442208891 57504 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm getting a vague idea
< 1442208898 13740 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Public domain is fun
< 1442208954 322774 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, if I am being unclear in the documentation, then I hope to fix it. You could try to understand by the C codes too if you want to, even if you cannot understand C codes very well, it might be better than reading only one file
< 1442208980 456415 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I just don't understand low-level processing enough xD
< 1442209026 742667 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That might be it. It can be a good idea to learn, not only for this but for dealing with other stuff too
< 1442209058 671909 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf TOPIC #esoteric :English spelling reforms | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ | http://esolangs.org/
< 1442209122 271434 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :all characters of my font (so far) in unicode ordering: http://www.orenwatson.be/fontcharlist.htm
< 1442209222 259202 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: oh, you've documented the instruction format and encoding of that interpreter?
< 1442209252 481730 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Yes, I have done it now (I don't know if it is clearly enough)
< 1442209289 973692 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren_: That looks like good so far
< 1442209490 517757 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well
< 1442209492 682058 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hit a wall
< 1442209505 126526 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need a way to convert a string of bits to a floating point
< 1442209516 383004 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why?
< 1442209544 245612 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the floating-point instructions
< 1442209585 917442 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are no floating-point instructions
< 1442209618 405623 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean instructions that operatate on registers containing double-precision floating point numbers
< 1442209621 653892 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For MY VM
< 1442209652 431665 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, well, I do not know Python, nor have I seen such instruction in your documentation? Maybe it was a bit old one!
< 1442209655 250277 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDream
< 1442209686 395125 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I just realized I need it x
< 1442209687 500260 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :D
< 1442209688 890884 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait
< 1442209691 102340 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No I don't
< 1442209706 27737 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait
< 1442209708 321862 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I do
< 1442209715 984009 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have lost track of what I'm talking about xD
< 1442209729 523219 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking about a SETF instruction, but I don't need that
< 1442209762 572357 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I must've added those instructions after I talked to you
< 1442209788 362911 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What did you expect to need them for?
< 1442209815 225688 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For floating-point operations
< 1442209830 743613 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This VM is intended to have actual uses xD
< 1442209905 94232 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, if you intend to use with programs that require floating-point. Many programs don't and use fixed-point. But, look in Python documentation maybe you can find it
< 1442209964 355928 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will
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< 1442210237 845188 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu
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< 1442213235 654836 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`danddreclist 67
< 1442213236 599134 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :danddreclist 67: shachaf nooodl boily \ http://zzo38computer.org/dnd/recording/level20.tex
< 1442213245 491315 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will add the character sheets a bit later
< 1442213989 937302 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1442214437 880247 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also is still around?
< 1442214639 410682 :bender!~sid123@2404:e800:e61a:41d:e407:bc99:c924:99d0 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442214880 214556 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not yet at least
< 1442214901 123403 :x10A94!~x10A94@178.252.73.97 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442215242 41099 :bender!~sid123@2404:e800:e61a:41d:e407:bc99:c924:99d0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi
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< 1442216656 909326 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
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< 1442237739 212772 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, spambot says ATM MASTER CARD, and although it's almost certainly a typo for MasterCard, there's somehow a very different connotation
< 1442237846 979162 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ATM SKELETON CARD
< 1442237897 788503 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you get to see Sunday's plot-of-the-day? http://zem.fi/bfjoust/vis/cycles/
< 1442237898 361293 :bender!~sid123@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ATM INTERCALDIATE CARD
< 1442237935 961561 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I didn't
< 1442237938 343294 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks now
< 1442237955 629764 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wow, margins is going to be hilarious again isn't it?
< 1442237984 457817 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: hmm, I can't see the top few lines at the same time as the graph at the bottom
< 1442237993 278699 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right, i can click
< 1442237995 866755 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than hover
< 1442238084 825417 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: suggested improvement to that: in the graph at the bottom, show which program won
< 1442238099 502513 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :correlation between win rate and cycle length is interesting to know
< 1442238272 397267 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mm. I could use three different colors for the bar (with a legend on the right side), although currently there's always at least one zero-height bar, so I'd have to pad them a bit.
< 1442238273 184981 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE MASTER CARD OF YENDOR
< 1442238276 880661 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait
< 1442238279 545569 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust test ,[.,]!Hello, world!
< 1442238287 355630 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for ais523_test: 6.1
< 1442238306 928453 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE PLATINUM YENDORIAN MASTER CARD
< 1442238318 184669 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and THE MASTER CARD OF THIEVERY
< 1442238373 21029 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, my latest adventures in Windows land:
< 1442238400 164822 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :network share with two directories, named "a" and "A", in the same directory. Explorer lists "A" no matter which one I'm trying to view.
< 1442238603 424276 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!ztest test .
< 1442238603 960463 :zemhill!bfjoust@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523.test: points -32.10, score 3.26, rank 47/47
< 1442238728 624971 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The plots still won't auto-update, sadly.
< 1442238827 114145 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is bfjoust ?
< 1442238851 594324 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a brainfuck programming game
< 1442238930 623946 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: your website is missing a link to the repository of programs
< 1442238933 967985 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm currently updating the wiki page)
< 1442238938 794185 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and noticed it isn't listed anywhere)
< 1442238985 27718 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems to be http://zem.fi/bfjoust/hill.git/
< 1442239011 351993 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: look on esolangs.org, there's an entry
< 1442239027 21881 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a strange game ais523 is good at
< 1442239035 390773 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm editing the page right now
< 1442239039 631959 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the bot should post a link to it soon
< 1442239043 101600 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :when I save the page
< 1442239077 973409 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07BF Joust14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44191&oldid=40553 5* 03Ais523 5* (-246) 10update information about the hills; fix capitalization of "brainfuck"
< 1442239080 78373 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there we go
< 1442239098 255847 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: reading about it now
< 1442239115 296960 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: your certificate for https://codu.org is expired
< 1442239314 679562 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: one of the things I love about BF Joust is that unlike almost all competitive games, you can play it against yourself
< 1442239338 851928 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because there's no hidden information involved, you can see all the programs you're competing against and analyze how they work, but that doesn't necessarily help in beating them
< 1442239386 695338 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: sure. competitive rubik cube solving is like that too.
< 1442239409 117624 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: there's hidden information, but only in the sense that the tape length and polarity are hidden from the bfjoust code.
< 1442239430 810385 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: rubiks cube solving is competitive only in the sense that you can compare two solution events to see which one had the shorter time
< 1442239437 900547 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no interaction between the different players
< 1442239444 149604 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, that's true.
< 1442239452 818213 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :BF Joust has plenty of interaction, but the twist is you have to write down your strategy in all possible situations in advance
< 1442239452 996079 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :only metagame interaction.
< 1442239538 988276 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so then it's like... ICFP contest 2004 about the ants?
< 1442239556 364748 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a two-player game where you have to write down the strategy in advance
< 1442239580 345707 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :people played it for a while after the contest, though I think they have mostly stopped now.
< 1442239598 464986 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I think that's a good comparison
< 1442239636 150359 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it also uses a somewhat simple programming language, one that doesn't have a large memory or registers.
< 1442239671 942190 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :a large general purpose random access memory that is.
< 1442239817 569454 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :in windows, what's the proper combination of backslashes and/or slashes in a pathname like \\?\UNC\\\HOSTNAME\sharename\ ?
< 1442239895 730561 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure
< 1442239907 830346 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and my searches are failing because duckduckgo doesn't recognise \\?\ as a search term
< 1442239915 659518 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries putting quotes around it
< 1442239924 935324 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, now it does recognise it, but can't find any results anyway
< 1442240062 332089 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently it needs a single backslash between UNC and the server name
< 1442240114 48073 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :good, sort of works now
< 1442240129 192006 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do I even want to know what you're doing?
< 1442240176 659438 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I mentioned above:
< 1442240190 464079 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait, you weren't here
< 1442240236 465906 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yeah, I was sure I had the hill repository link somewhere, but turns out I didn't. The program names in the score table link to the gitweb view, which I think used to have the URL, but it seems to have gotten lost.
< 1442240251 318884 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"btw, my latest adventures in Windows land: network share with two directories, named "a" and "A", in the same directory. Explorer lists "A" no matter which one I'm trying to view."
< 1442240255 328110 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you were here
< 1442240292 130598 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it might be connected to that
< 1442240311 798476 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to try to list both directories out of curiosity
< 1442240344 316373 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think this will help, because it's still case insensitive normally
< 1442240466 807887 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh brilliant
< 1442240470 53643 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's non-deterministic too
< 1442240476 27541 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently it's locally cached for a while
< 1442240485 657352 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so whcihever dir I try to access first, I'm stuck at it
< 1442240542 973698 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1442240563 822287 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interestingly, bfjoust resembles not a tilt (lance charge) but a traditional joust (with multiple rounds and fighting styles)
< 1442241407 386486 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442241409 537325 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: Is the latter composed of multiple instances of the former?
< 1442241512 227304 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I've been wondering about the word to use for a single "instance" (particular pair of programs, tape length and polarity). The article sometimes calls it a "match", but it's not even consistent.
< 1442241571 174162 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: "round" seems to make sense
< 1442241579 945095 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, if you're talking about the wiki article
< 1442241583 84648 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In "-- tournaments generally run 42 matches between the two warriors -- A program is scored based on the number of configurations in which it won, minus the number of configurations in which it lost; thus +42 is a perfect score for an individual match --" the first half implies there are 42 matches, but the second half implies "an individual match" is all 42.
< 1442241592 150169 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can make it consistent and then people will start using your terminology
< 1442241608 431506 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's how the whole "sieve" and "kettle" thing started
< 1442241621 559645 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this also implies that the word you choose is likely to catch on even if it makes no sense)
< 1442241656 742958 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember my wiki password, and my password manager is inaccessible. :)
< 1442241680 476082 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The article uses the word "round" for one of what I've been calling cycle, too.
< 1442241689 38062 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, maybe not.
< 1442241692 769852 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I just read that too fast.
< 1442241701 127561 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In each round of a match, both warriors simultaneously execute one of the above instructions at each time step (or 'cycle')."
< 1442241720 89686 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't mind it being "match" for the full set of 42, and "round" for one configuration.
< 1442241749 811151 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :My protobuf messages call the former a single "joust".
< 1442241841 804450 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think "cycle" is standard by now
< 1442241932 168253 :bender!~sid123@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 QUIT :Quit: Ping Pong Fuckout
< 1442242046 201901 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07BF Joust14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44192&oldid=44191 5* 0374.125.57.54 5* (-7) 10/* Matches */ (Hopefully) consistify terminology.
< 1442242059 677446 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usernames are for chumps anyway.
< 1442242309 357340 :nycs!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442242309 564335 :nycs!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com NICK :`^_^v
< 1442242379 684786 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I know, but I've been having issues with StartSSL @_@
< 1442242395 429404 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: fair enough, just making sure you were aware
< 1442242420 34363 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the whole certs and expiry thing is basically a blatant cashgrab as it is
< 1442242421 645912 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07BF Joust14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44193&oldid=44192 5* 0374.125.57.54 5* (+109) 10/* Competitive hills */ Tweak zem.fi hill replacement strategy description.
< 1442242454 462944 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :My StartSSL cert for zem.fi is expiring on October 7 this year.
< 1442242455 53142 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: hmm, I guess my programming mind saw the two as equivalent
< 1442242469 939393 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(re your edit)
< 1442242506 738106 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was hoping letsencrypt would've been launched (as scheduled) so I wouldn't have to keep dealing with StartSSL.
< 1442242596 359323 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Any year now.
< 1442242619 393042 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they've only moved the announced dates back once.
< 1442242628 508340 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Before that, they just didn't have launch dates.)
< 1442242762 475119 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arguably, my replacement strategy is "less sane" (in that you can replace a better program by a worse one), but that's what I ended up when implementing it.
< 1442242924 787269 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: it's equivalent over time, the only difference is the instant at which you take the snapshot
< 1442242936 304497 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, hmm, not /quite/
< 1442242943 450713 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it affects the scores of the incoming program
< 1442242990 581533 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ;
< 1442242991 582794 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[U+003B SEMICOLON]
< 1442243042 640926 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ;
< 1442243043 589286 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[U+037E GREEK QUESTION MARK]
< 1442243165 562091 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should use that as my regular question mark; what do you guys think;
< 1442243278 897411 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds good⸮
< 1442243298 700598 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why not use U+200B
< 1442243395 532462 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-115-237.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442243563 471862 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: how about "game" for a particular pair of programs on a length and polarity, and "match" for the set of all games between two programs on each length and polarity?
< 1442243636 207030 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe the first one could be a "run"
< 1442243702 11774 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was one instance of calling it a "run", but I just went with a "round".
< 1442243806 591827 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then you need words for the set with two programs on a given polarity but varying length, and the set with two programs with a given length but varying polarity. :-)
< 1442243879 443632 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'll call one a "slice", and the other a "sluice".
< 1442244117 544481 :J_Arcane_!~chatzilla@37-219-76-149.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1442244187 834807 :J_Arcane_!~chatzilla@37-219-76-149.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi NICK :J_Arcane
< 1442244418 686416 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sluice? is that a real word?
< 1442244607 438674 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1442244614 897805 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@wn sluice
< 1442244616 941656 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :*** "sluice" wn "WordNet (r) 3.0 (2006)"
< 1442244618 980084 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :sluice
< 1442244620 934473 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : n 1: conduit that carries a rapid flow of water controlled by a
< 1442244622 979322 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : sluicegate [syn: {sluice}, {sluiceway}, {penstock}]
< 1442244626 950752 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : v 1: pour as if from a sluice; "An aggressive tide sluiced
< 1442244628 952634 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :[5 @more lines]
< 1442244650 935996 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :As far as making sense goes, it's in the sieve/kettle ballpark.
< 1442244688 432438 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :2. (1) sluice, flush -- (irrigate with water from a sluice; "sluice the earth")
< 1442244698 628503 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"sluice the earth" sounds like something a supervillain would say.
< 1442244795 534794 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, a *conduit*. well, that explains everything: http://darthsanddroids.net/episodes/1013.html
< 1442244817 93582 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was aware of the word "sluice", but I wouldn't necessarily expect a non-native speaker to know it
< 1442244819 724585 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a pretty obscure word
< 1442244873 67718 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yah
< 1442244883 451573 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"slice" is much better-known
< 1442244885 166513 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION no native English-Speaker, and did not know that Word
< 1442244889 916650 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :True
< 1442244898 4211 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(although a sluice-gate could probably be used for slicing, especially if you sharpened the bottom of it)
< 1442245011 323475 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@2a02:2c40:400:0:ed2:92ff:fe3b:ec82 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1442245026 811075 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, so sluice. that means we have conduits in bfjoust.
< 1442245095 465428 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, "penstock" is a synonym for "sluice"?
< 1442245155 693103 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, in some of their meanings
< 1442245162 835032 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably
< 1442245200 791950 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :great build system set up here, I think I only have to edit the description file in like six places to add a new set of source files.
< 1442245409 848082 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://darthsanddroids.net/episodes/1013.html has some great technobabble. Heisenfram, Hyperfluid, Intermix, Phlebotinum, and Wavelet conduits.
< 1442245843 741542 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442245927 874799 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I probably know of 'sluice' because of encountering references to sluice gates in somewhere or another.
< 1442245946 683097 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sluices and sluicegates go together, really
< 1442245946 861805 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think a game, perhaps.
< 1442245960 147071 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need a sluice gate in order to be a sluice
< 1442245966 908441 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but a sluice gate doesn't have a whole lot of useful applications
< 1442245969 933357 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gating sluices is the main one
< 1442245970 263333 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Garamsythe_Waterway "The Sluice Gate Key can be obtained from Sorbet after completion of the White Mousse Hunt."
< 1442245976 463548 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1442245983 630935 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: huh, I didn't expect an FFXII reference
< 1442245985 311022 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi oerjan
< 1442245988 711192 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's possible I knew of sluices beforehand, but I've at least obtained the Sluice Gate Key.
< 1442246005 980956 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :today i did something i'd never thought plausible: i voted in a norwegian church election.
< 1442246020 463996 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: heh
< 1442246074 104263 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: did you care about who won?
< 1442246087 800624 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I voted in the UK local police commisioner elections a while ago
< 1442246099 105898 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which had one of the lowest turnouts ever
< 1442246108 77893 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly as a negative vote to make sure that particular candidates didn't win
< 1442246120 947629 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :local police commisioner elections? I haven't heared of such a thing.
< 1442246136 638968 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and sure, negative vote is perfectly normal, it happens on bigger elections too.
< 1442246140 160870 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was for a good cause. it so happens that this year the main issue in the election has been whether the church should perform gay marriages...
< 1442246164 989112 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :when all the candidates seem bad, some of them can still be worse, and then it's worth to vote for another, even if you're not sure who's the best candidate.
< 1442246174 6713 :mihow!~mihow@c-76-27-244-171.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442246185 831239 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: What all do you elect here? I think I'm eligible to vote on some local things now.
< 1442246187 997665 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also, the church election is colocated with the municipality elections, so it was a simple thing to vote in both)
< 1442246208 999427 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: there are two main groups of elections (which sometimes fall on the same day, which makes counting easier)
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< 1442246237 981193 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one is a general election; that used to happen approximately every five years (I think a new law means that it happens /exactly/ every five years because governments were scheduling them tactically)
< 1442246258 861255 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a general election, every position for a member of parliament is voted on
< 1442246294 591322 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :each person gets to vote for one member of parliament "slot" depending on where they live (the slots are called "constituencies" and have names like Birmingham Edgbaston)
< 1442246333 726695 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's plurality voting, and the members of parliament then can plurality vote on laws
< 1442246366 315764 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the prime minister is loosely defined as "anyone who can plausibly claim to be prime minister, and not have over 50% of the MPs oppose that claim"
< 1442246378 793708 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other main election is a local election; that affects the makeup of the local council
< 1442246392 870144 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently the general one requires citizenship.
< 1442246396 402540 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hmm. can that mean there's two opposing prime ministers?
< 1442246413 818303 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin NICK :copumpkin
< 1442246427 23339 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I think there's a countably infinite number of prime ministers.
< 1442246444 816673 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that works much the same way as a general election, except a) the slots are more specific (and called "wards", not "constituencies"), and b) there are three candidates elected per ward (although in some elections, you vote for all three, some you vote for only one)
< 1442246463 849316 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: oh, the prime minister also has to be an MP
< 1442246478 588696 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: well, there can't be much more than that, unless they're overlapping a lot
< 1442246487 122567 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or are very small
< 1442246488 667517 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: it could sort-of happen; however, the Queen has the final say as to who the Prime Minister is (although if she gets it wrong, she'll instantly be overriden by 50% of the MPs)
< 1442246515 100920 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's generally considered that it would be very embarassing for the Queen to nominate someone Prime Minister and immediately get them voted out
< 1442246518 645905 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ok, that means it's effectively the same system as in Hungary, but defined backwards
< 1442246542 909875 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: wait, does that mean britain will no longer have freely scheduled dissolution of parliament?
< 1442246547 317017 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so she normally delays the official announcement until it's clear that one party can control a confidence vote
< 1442246560 422453 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I believe so; there's some provision for emergencies, which may or may not be badly defined
< 1442246587 673892 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: and as for what "councillors" elected in a local election do, they get to control the budget for the local area and vote on how it's used
< 1442246598 896104 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ylozbhiptuojygue QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity
< 1442246599 971844 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :here, the President of the Republic proposes a prime minister to make a government, but then the majority of the parliment has to vote _for_ him before he can become a prime minister, so the President generally proposes the one person who would get the votes in first place,
< 1442246606 288555 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in my case, the council in question is Birmingham City Council, who control the budget for all the day-to-day running of Birmingham
< 1442246606 892793 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :norway has had a fixed schedule basically always, and some have argued that we _should_ introduce dissolution
< 1442246616 588359 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :things like funding the police, repairing streetlights, garbage collection
< 1442246619 339207 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and for that he may have to wait before parliment parties make an agreement, if no party is in majority after the elections.
< 1442246663 189254 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the council itself is funded by two sources: a) money from the national tax budget (allocated by parliament); b) council tax, which is charged against houses (more expensive the more impressive the house) and has to be paid by their owners
< 1442246697 734659 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: all of that sounds normal, it's just the part where you said "local police commisioner" that sounds strange
< 1442246702 792599 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so a council election is really about how you want the council to prioritize their budget
< 1442246710 400803 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: most people think it shouldn't have been an elected position in the first place
< 1442246741 393862 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we've only had one election for that
< 1442246741 998075 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: wait, only those two? local councils can't have tax on industry?
< 1442246771 848028 :yiyus!1242712427@je.je.je JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442246779 763665 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: local councils can't impose their own taxes (other than council tax), although they can certainly try to claim a bigger share of the national taxes on whatever basis they feel like
< 1442246797 445997 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, btw, all this applies to England specifically; the situations in Wales, Scotland, and Northern Ireland are more complicated and I don't know all the details
< 1442247022 84883 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1442247025 362269 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and no idea about the smaller islands; Anglesey almost certainly counts as part of Wales, and the Hebrides and the like as part of Scotland, but what about the Isle of Man, or Wight, or the Channel Islands, or the Falklands?)
< 1442247053 347962 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, those all have crazy special rules
< 1442247059 565957 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :about everything in general
< 1442247101 842562 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the UK being centered around an archipelago (which isn't all part of the UK, nor is all of the UK there) makes geographical terminology pretty awkward sometimes
< 1442247120 802246 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even the name of the archipelago itself is apparently very contentious on Wikipedia
< 1442247128 689197 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1442247133 343346 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"British Isles" is the most common, but some Irish people feel that that's discriminatory
< 1442247170 680908 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :
< 1442247193 654429 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that kind of irish person is mostly out to make a point, though)
< 1442247194 327972 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442247199 977767 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric : (that kind of irish person is mostly out to make a point, though)
< 1442247212 106368 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I'm wondering if "Great Britain" (the name of the largest island in the archipelago) is contentious too
< 1442247235 221266 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442247828 925727 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's possible that different names are better for different purposes.
< 1442247931 505698 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, a politician has to use one name in his speech to avoid some people feeling insulted; but you have to use another name when addressing a postal mail so that it gets there more reliably.
< 1442247952 288246 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's some crazy naming issues, like that about Macedonia or Taiwan.
< 1442247987 412754 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or Serbia, which had to stop calling itself Yugoslavia after a while.
< 1442248023 910077 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442248074 900353 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`culprits useless_file.txt
< 1442248076 208813 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie estin
< 1442248095 189400 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? estin
< 1442248095 832004 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :estin? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1442248138 717200 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"after a while"? did they keep doing it after montenegro left?
< 1442248320 435501 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92E43.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442248339 71591 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92E43.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Has someone here ever made something in BANCStar?
< 1442248354 87366 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: weren't you a BANCStar "expert"?
< 1442248358 806013 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome S1
< 1442248359 865615 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :S1: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: . (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.)
< 1442248360 588769 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? no
< 1442248361 261940 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92E43.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hue
< 1442248369 32907 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm not even that long, they changed in 2003
< 1442248370 325017 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: hmm, maybe I've confused you with someone else then
< 1442248370 506678 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just interested and read some of the disassembler code
< 1442248374 512861 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bearing in mind that this is all relative
< 1442248381 740457 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :knowing anything at all about BANCStar probably makes you an expert
< 1442248385 793425 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1442248387 436104 :spiette!~spiette@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442248388 880955 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92E43.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :then even I am an expert
< 1442248389 61831 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess so
< 1442248477 837067 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92E43.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just wondered if someone made something reasonable that could have been shown. But now I realize I would not want to read it anyway
< 1442248481 729120 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! I'm back!
< 1442248554 76541 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92E43.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PART :#esoteric
< 1442248557 290240 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92E43.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442248562 15045 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92E43.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :dammit, ^W
< 1442248567 630423 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92E43.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Why did you welcome me?
< 1442248580 588284 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't there no surviving implementation of BANCStar?
< 1442248586 74613 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(known)
< 1442248607 674668 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :S1: habit
< 1442248636 405799 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :secretly, he did it so as not to risk any `relcomes
< 1442248650 22031 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92E43.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome ?
< 1442248650 938461 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :09?: 02Welcome 06to 13the 04international 07hub 08for 09esoteric 02programming 06language 13design 04and 07deployment! 08For 09more 02information, 06check 13out 04our 07wiki: 08. 09(For 02the 06other 13kind 04of 07esoterica, 08try 09#esoteric 02on 06EFnet 13or 04DALnet.)
< 1442248657 910382 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION cackles madly
< 1442248681 49346 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have colours turned off in my client :-P
< 1442248704 556000 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i,i `mkx rmelcome//rm bin/relcome
< 1442248714 660503 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92E43.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :colours are not a valid topic for any irc
< 1442248731 149828 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: where have you been?
< 1442248750 956888 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it's vacation season
< 1442248769 771336 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, well I moved out from my parents, and like the week before that the HDD of the RPi that runs the znc bouncer died, and I didn't have time to deal with that until now
< 1442248784 818113 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh :(
< 1442248793 697207 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :So that is why I have not been on IRC
< 1442248811 688656 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, Vorpal is here!
< 1442248813 223136 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fucking HDDs, I want some durable storage. Install and forget
< 1442248818 154371 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :look at me, I'm the BANG-Star EGG-Spurt
< 1442248870 591604 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw i turned on +n yesterday, hagb4rd was around and made brief use of it.
< 1442248898 662565 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442248901 500250 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: no implementations. the buy who brought us the bangstar samples and disassemblers said he has an old floppy with the implementation that he may be able to read somehow, then he disappeared completely. so be careful.
< 1442248919 317848 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :....ok
< 1442248939 285134 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92E43.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"We are sure there is nothing fishy about this"
< 1442248949 169491 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that, yes
< 1442248972 618425 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if you're not a trained professional BANG-Star EGG-Spurt, then don't try it at home anywya.
< 1442248983 307613 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can be dangerous
< 1442248998 359177 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92E43.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also it's BANCStar, not BANGStar
< 1442249087 120335 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I figured out some things of BANCStar too; see the talk page
< 1442249090 722795 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: you seam to be speaking vaguely pornographic, are you sure you're not hagb4rd
< 1442249164 65319 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92E43.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :he did it twive
< 1442249166 546375 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92E43.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :twice
< 1442249308 629768 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :one, two, twee, twour, twive times!
< 1442249338 537053 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, how are you btw?
< 1442249350 424034 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92E43.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :twive is even more than twice
< 1442249364 338326 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorp'hello. I don't even remember how long you've been gone.
< 1442249373 155492 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't have been that long, seeing as I still haven't graduated.
< 1442249389 779338 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: temporarily inconvenienced, with no real long-term problems right now
< 1442249393 327520 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you graduating gradually
< 1442249404 827715 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm spending most of my time at work, because my house is being re-plumbed
< 1442249409 369541 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and is currently almost a building site
< 1442249425 908042 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :callforjudgement
< 1442249433 211693 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523
< 1442249435 934780 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I think it's required to be somewhat discrete by the rules.
< 1442249507 721873 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :how unnovative
< 1442249710 913243 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1442250340 945411 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : Vorpal: temporarily inconvenienced, with no real long-term problems right now <-- well my toe hurts and the doctors don't know what it is so far...
< 1442250347 983701 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that is not related to not being here
< 1442250593 666138 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, apparently I'm an expert because I created the esowiki webpage for BANCStar.
< 1442250631 850066 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly.
< 1442250647 690681 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :an expert on bancstar?
< 1442250670 878345 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92E43.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION drops
< 1442250721 831361 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think zzo38 is also a bit of an expert, istr he did some investigations
< 1442250738 343528 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I did too
< 1442250756 576377 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although neither of us are really an expert as far as I know.
< 1442250765 578432 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep. and GreyKnight did more investigations.
< 1442250830 530870 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some things I have come to conclusion differently than other people have done
< 1442250865 585831 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, hmm, we are missing someting
< 1442250867 691449 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome Vorpal
< 1442250868 483343 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: . (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.)
< 1442250885 815430 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92E43.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see the habit now, ais523
< 1442250921 677486 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal hasn't been here for ages, we need to make him welcome ;-)
< 1442250932 784995 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92E43.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1442250947 920672 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92E43.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never said it's a bad habit, anyway
< 1442251003 460915 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wälcåmä Vorpal
< 1442251006 453620 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vårpal: Wälcome to the intärnatiånal hub får äsåteric programming language däsign and deplåyment! Får måre infårmation, check out our wiki: . (For the åther kind åf äsåterica, try #esåtäric ån ÄFnet år DALnät.)
< 1442251062 553194 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92E43.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is æwesøme
< 1442251101 168918 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: not fair, you added another stupid welcome variant since last time I deleted a bunch of them?
< 1442251238 476856 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's a generic Swedifier
< 1442251248 668692 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo 'hello, world' | en2sv
< 1442251249 446214 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellå, wårld
< 1442251363 558583 :atrapado!~atrapado@unaffiliated/atrapado JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442251394 186337 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? me
< 1442251395 152717 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Me is a proud member of the tEaM.
< 1442251417 557969 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`culprits wisdom/me
< 1442251418 826815 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e
< 1442251645 968411 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have almost as many footnotes as sessions, but only approx. half as many chapters as sessions
< 1442251808 359391 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/wälcåmä
< 1442251809 77673 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :#!/bin/sh \ exec welcome "$@" | bin/en2sv
< 1442251817 277494 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/en2sv
< 1442251818 54256 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :#!/usr/bin/perl \ use Encode; binmode *$_,"encoding(utf8)" for STDIN,STDOUT; local$/; for (split//,) { rand(5)<3 and y/EOeo/\xc4\xc5\xe4\xe5/; print }
< 1442251866 488138 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas, what is that?
< 1442251873 981458 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :"`wälcåmä " I mean
< 1442251878 521490 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :just adding random dots?
< 1442251898 902837 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :We should add a proper Swedish and Norwegian welcome message, don't you agree oerjan ?
< 1442251925 908759 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you know how to write in Swedish and Norwegian then you can try to do such thing
< 1442251942 461368 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, well I do know Swedish and oerjan knows Norwegian obviously
< 1442251952 111422 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: spells stuff in Swedish. Swedish randomly spells "e" as either "e" or "ä", and similarly randomly spells "o" as either "o" or "å". It should also do other changes, but those would be more complicated to implement.
< 1442251963 505834 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you sure there wasn't one already?
< 1442251970 445804 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas, hah :P
< 1442251981 85230 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls wisdom/*elko*
< 1442251981 962569 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom/welkom
< 1442251990 811208 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls wisdom/*älko*
< 1442251991 843142 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom/välkommen
< 1442251997 621105 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let me do the proper translation to Swedish
< 1442251998 992587 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? välkommen
< 1442251999 748356 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hej och välkommen till den internationella knutpunkten för design och distribution av esoteriska programspråk! För mer information, se vår wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (För den andra sortens esoterism, pröva #esoteric på irc.dal.net.)
< 1442252004 395858 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :TOO LATE
< 1442252017 344496 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll try, and undoubtedly fail extremely badly, to translate the welcome message into Latin.
< 1442252050 103487 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is the speecher on my computer so bad????? It is making all of the wrong noise!!!!
< 1442252051 222646 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :`elcomeway tswett
< 1442252051 879910 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: elcomeway: not found
< 1442252056 793557 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1442252074 749074 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: you seem very upset about this
< 1442252106 757892 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It still works though despite that
< 1442252107 315664 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Välkommen till den internationella hubben för esoterisk programmeringsspråksdesign och -driftsättning! För mer information kolla upp vår wiki: . (För den andra typen av esoterisk, pröva #esoteric på EFnet eller DALnet.)
< 1442252117 521368 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, oh it exists, damn
< 1442252124 75485 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Well, the speaker on right side works; the one on left sometimes it doesn't works)
< 1442252146 955359 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, not enough concatenated words in that though
< 1442252164 639074 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :"programmeringsspråksdesign och -driftsättning" is clearly superior to "design och distribution av esoteriska programspråk"
< 1442252181 324584 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially deployment != distribution
< 1442252189 146219 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially since*
< 1442252220 730472 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKEJ
< 1442252245 387224 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, though "knutpunkten" is better than "hubben" clearly
< 1442252275 907339 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :självklart
< 1442252304 769100 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hej och välkommen till den internationella knutpunkten för esoterisk programmeringsspråksdesign och -driftsättning! För mer information, se vår wiki: . (För den andra sortens esoterism, pröva #esoteric på EFnet eller DALnet.)
< 1442252311 275637 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :That seems to be the best of both
< 1442252314 378492 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Benvenite ad centrum internationalis de designatio et deplementatio de linguae esotericae programmati! Per plus informatio, mira nostro wiki: . (Per alter tipus esotericae, proba #esoteric in EFnet vel DALnet.)
< 1442252325 949631 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know of any specific errors in that.
< 1442252343 495604 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can see lots of case errors
< 1442252364 360653 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, welcome in real Swedish
< 1442252378 330074 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some of those are definitely real Latin words. "Ad", "per", "plus", "alter", "in". And I feel like "centrum" looks about right.
< 1442252385 576335 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442252446 872096 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What case is that supposed to be? Uh, there's nominative, accusative, dative, genitive, ablative, and vocative. So the word for "center" should be in the... dative?
< 1442252463 383106 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :
< 1442252496 664221 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Benvenite ad centrum internationalem de designatione et deplementatione de linguis esotericis programmatis!
< 1442252526 287788 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume you came up with that by just taking my "translation" and sticking the right case endings on.
< 1442252528 565509 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought accusative
< 1442252531 642674 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1442252568 912257 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suspect "de" should be replaced with genitive
< 1442252577 612559 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something
< 1442252589 844259 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you aiming for latin?
< 1442252591 613291 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that gets beyond my actual knowledge, i think
< 1442252605 775123 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: i think so
< 1442252620 653563 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? welcome.la
< 1442252621 567074 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :welcome.la? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1442252637 73468 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`benvenite
< 1442252637 755617 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: benvenite: not found
< 1442252640 635220 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls wisdom/*enve*
< 1442252641 594816 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom/bienvenue
< 1442252655 679741 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls bin/*enve*
< 1442252656 399410 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin/arienvenido \ bin/benvenuto \ bin/bienvenido
< 1442252672 570214 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`benvenido
< 1442252673 276235 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: benvenido: not found
< 1442252676 133026 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`benvenuto
< 1442252677 48821 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :welcome.it? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1442252689 155139 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`bienvenido
< 1442252689 946610 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :¡Bienvenido al centro internacional para el diseño y despliegue de lenguajes de programación esotéricos! Por desgracia, la mayoría de nosotros no hablamos español. Para obtener más información, echa un vistazo a nuestro wiki: http://esolangs.org/. (Para el otro tipo de esoterismo, prueba #esoteric en EFnet o DALnet.)
< 1442252691 313941 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmph
< 1442252708 962588 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the spanish one is the only non-english one that sees serious use
< 1442252717 10158 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because of the canaimas
< 1442252731 630818 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? canaimas
< 1442252732 481306 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :canaimas? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1442252807 693722 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` grep -i anaima wisdom/*
< 1442252809 426567 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :grep: wisdom/le: Is a directory \ grep: wisdom/¯\(°_o): Is a directory \ grep: wisdom/¯\(°_o): Is a directory \ Binary file wisdom/reflection matches
< 1442252816 194084 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah
< 1442252823 757647 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` grep -Ri anaima wisdom/*
< 1442252825 462747 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` rgrep -i anaima wisdom # hth
< 1442252826 98194 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Binary file wisdom/reflection matches
< 1442252827 276984 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1442252854 565804 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a difference between rgrep and grep -R
< 1442252857 680968 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1442252863 507764 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there's a difference between wisdom and wisdom/*
< 1442252950 724992 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`mk wisdom/welcome.sv//Hej och välkommen till den internationella knutpunkten för esoterisk programmeringsspråksdesign och -driftsättning! För mer information, se vår wiki: . (För den andra sortens esoterism, pröva #esoteric på EFnet eller DALnet.)
< 1442252952 907959 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom/welcome.sv
< 1442252959 287433 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? welcome.sv
< 1442252960 212926 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hej och välkommen till den internationella knutpunkten för esoterisk programmeringsspråksdesign och -driftsättning! För mer information, se vår wiki: . (För den andra sortens esoterism, pröva #esoteric på EFnet eller DALnet.)
< 1442252973 16526 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`os
< 1442252973 832548 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :os
< 1442252984 370256 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/os
< 1442252984 901652 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :#!/bin/bash \ echo "$0" | sed -e 's_.*/__'
< 1442253004 652452 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat
< 1442253022 447469 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`culprits bin/os
< 1442253024 154334 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ln -s os bin/wat
< 1442253024 392632 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett tswett tswett tswett
< 1442253025 843980 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1442253027 328833 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1442253027 512592 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wat
< 1442253028 363079 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat
< 1442253038 396571 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rm bin/wat
< 1442253041 180465 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1442253078 464921 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rm wisdom/välkommen
< 1442253081 278048 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1442253094 521643 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think wisdom.?? scales better
< 1442253109 973024 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :* welcome.??
< 1442253157 41947 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` rgrep kommen bin/
< 1442253162 976070 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1442253165 932314 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"welcome.no" gives out bit of mixed signals for English speakers, though.
< 1442253186 559940 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :welcome.norvenskuomi
< 1442253253 170873 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you can have welcome.nb and welcome.nn separately.
< 1442253280 519791 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh
< 1442253378 867837 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you considered /nick oohrjan twh
< 1442253662 997326 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :noo
< 1442253700 102024 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am hitting a roadblock here: i have no idea what, if any, is the norwegian word for software deployment.
< 1442253800 632265 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm there are hits for "driftssetting" but too few of them
< 1442253826 438469 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh an s too much
< 1442253830 216009 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a word for "software"?
< 1442253889 425109 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm "idriftsetting" has slightly more hits than that again
< 1442253901 255830 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: erm...
< 1442253917 872242 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"programvare" usually
< 1442253929 169454 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, we have "aufsetzen", hmm, but it's really derived from "setup", I'm afraid.
< 1442253958 383172 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ah, better than german. (we have Programme, but a collection of those would just be software, I think)
< 1442253974 566970 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh "idriftsettelse
< 1442253976 101355 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"
< 1442253988 666478 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :except that would obviously be bokmål only, hm...
< 1442254019 919376 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Historically, "program" *may* have come from german? I wonder how to check that...)
< 1442254123 858562 :fractal!~fractal@unaffiliated/scounder QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in
< 1442254190 338278 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Oh and brainfuck, I also feel that checking for a non-zero remainder after dividing by 2 may be impossible with 3 cells; after all this inability of getting information out of a division loop is what makes Fractran and related languages such an attractive target (because you can cheat, undoing speculative multiplications all the time)
< 1442254348 655471 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :applying the same trick to I/O, if you add a special output character that means "please disregard the last character" (something like backspace), that should "solve" the problem.
< 1442254505 988507 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1442254515 613119 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, i also realized that you can interleave junk output
< 1442254604 647940 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442255007 992683 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92E43.dip0.t-ipconnect.de QUIT :Quit: We are the revolutionaries
< 1442256586 345834 :fractal!~fractal@unaffiliated/scounder JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442257159 948776 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-72.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442257337 633210 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you guys know this? http://spritesmods.com/?art=rapidisnake
< 1442257403 483662 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :video on page 5
< 1442257485 329992 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds
< 1442257521 777929 :x10A94!~x10A94@178.252.73.97 QUIT :Quit: I'm outta here
< 1442257566 245267 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442257722 884101 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: heh
< 1442257739 773153 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh indeed
< 1442258207 893695 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442258407 825544 :heddwch!~heddwch@76.8.3.189 NICK :Frankenheimer
< 1442258469 158181 :MDream!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDude
< 1442258604 321396 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :would you guys expect a smart compiler to compute strlen every time in that loop? http://arin.ga/dpDMHa/raw
< 1442258626 381954 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :both gcc and clang do
< 1442258767 378421 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Quit: BBS
< 1442258774 128482 :Frankenheimer!~heddwch@76.8.3.189 NICK :frankenstein
< 1442258785 606982 :frankenstein!~heddwch@76.8.3.189 NICK :hethuh
< 1442258936 238337 :hethuh!~heddwch@76.8.3.189 NICK :hedwig
< 1442258964 191083 :hedwig!~heddwch@76.8.3.189 NICK :heddwch
< 1442259147 196040 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442259659 988117 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: /me looks
< 1442259703 921398 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, is the compiler allowed to assume that i isn't an element of argv[1]?
< 1442259719 437751 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :By strict aliasing, yes.
< 1442259722 373494 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it is because i is a local variable, and possibly also because it has the wrong type (not sure on that one)
< 1442259745 313069 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it's allowed to assume getchar doesn't modify what argv points to, at least from general principles.
< 1442259749 298473 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it also allowed to assume that putchar doesn't change argv? I think no, unless it has putchar special-cased
< 1442259755 845572 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, yes
< 1442259767 501656 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the compiler can't assume what getchar/putchar do to main's arguments
< 1442259782 425917 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, you could probably use setvbuf to shift the stdio buffer into memory you controlled
< 1442259789 626386 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then recursively call main using the same buffer as part of argv
< 1442259798 430700 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I… think I may have a new IOCCC idea
< 1442260089 411515 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Environment variables are stored near to the program arguments
< 1442260318 839897 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to be a proper IOCCC entry I can't rely on system-specific things
< 1442260326 896081 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I can definitely store things in stdio buffers
< 1442260365 832422 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :cycles.json went from 227428 to 347439 bytes when I added -1/0/1 numbers for all pairs/rounds in preparation for indicating the winner.
< 1442260388 725462 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not that bad
< 1442260420 966954 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-72.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1442260502 998078 :nycs!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442260557 234496 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1442260820 571357 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry i was away
< 1442260832 533809 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: thanks for that
< 1442260925 574853 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: putchar takes an int, not a pointer. how can that possibly change argv[1] ?
< 1442260963 159358 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: putchar writes to a stdio buffer
< 1442260986 167920 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the buffer isn't written to the screen immediately unless you do something to flush it (by default, this is writing '\n', but it's customizable)
< 1442261000 625263 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see where you're going
< 1442261012 651500 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: now, suppose you call main recursively; you can give it a pointer to the stdio buffer (which is potentially under user control) in its argv
< 1442261013 297488 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's awful
< 1442261024 79854 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but... i don't
< 1442261026 278122 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no rule in C saying you /can't/ do this
< 1442261048 458345 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and your program could potentially be linked against a separate library that contains a recursive call to main (say you link against a custom libc)
< 1442261057 758687 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the compiler doesn't have enough information to know that you're not going to do that
< 1442261062 859131 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and has to play it safe
< 1442261082 769276 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :GCC has attributes you can use to mark "pure" functions, of which more assumptions can be made. (Of course, putchar can't be one.)
< 1442261090 694872 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see
< 1442261177 921386 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION scratches her head
< 1442261188 15214 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :restrict was invented for this, too
< 1442261207 389473 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if main's second argument was char *restrict *, then it'd know that argv isn't aliasing any global (including stdout)
< 1442261215 80464 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*if main's second argument were
< 1442261331 64916 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't seem to change anything
< 1442262226 298029 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hm good IOCCC idea, but what would you use it for that is interesting though?
< 1442262232 668646 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea yet
< 1442262248 65935 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe some sort of scanf-based logic
< 1442262291 49080 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, oh yeah, you could scanf from and into that same buffer (possibly different parts of it)
< 1442262348 830127 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :As long as you provided long enough arguments for there to be enough buffer to work with
< 1442262369 766890 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :good night
< 1442262519 639793 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, btw, how goes feather? Or is it dead?
< 1442262520 767194 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD
< 1442262535 151774 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it's no more dead than before
< 1442262538 658861 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think about it occasionally
< 1442262554 845896 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Underlambda Project actually shares some similarities with Feather, but is less insane
< 1442262556 845089 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fair enough
< 1442262576 352227 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :But underlambda is also not done, right?
< 1442262606 628313 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed
< 1442262619 939598 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, you actually remember what underlambda is? nobody else seems to :-P
< 1442262654 385480 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :over the years I've really made progress in pinning down the details, though
< 1442262661 864257 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've just assumed -- from the name -- that it'd be (unlambda + underload) / 2.
< 1442262671 365322 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I even found a way to do subtraction that I'm happy with
< 1442262684 268377 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: that's the etymology, and it's not a bad description
< 1442262686 570750 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I don't remember how it works no
< 1442262691 699514 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the resulting language is higher-level than that description would imply
< 1442262691 876931 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://zem.fi/bfjoust/vis/cycles/ now shows the winner in the subgraph.
< 1442262693 13046 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember that it is a thing though
< 1442262697 400360 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: thanks :-)
< 1442262713 239512 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it looks strange, I might ha... actually, I did.
< 1442262723 244565 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, one half of the scores are the wrong way around.
< 1442262742 655922 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, that is a blank page for me below the text?
< 1442262756 663104 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :And no, not adblock or noscript
< 1442262856 823686 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :good night
< 1442262859 568424 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might not be all that cross-platform.
< 1442262877 615929 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, chromium on Debian wheezy
< 1442262907 162916 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Checking firefox
< 1442262919 837145 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay that works
< 1442263000 598920 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm using Chromium on Debian [something], too.
< 1442263022 400020 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Chromium 45.0.2454.85.)
< 1442263029 339397 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, nope, the graph doesn't show up there
< 1442263037 172512 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Version 37.0.2062.120 Built on Debian 7.6, running on Debian 7.9 (281580) (64-bit)
< 1442263041 99939 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, quite a bit older
< 1442263047 47918 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since I'm still running oldstable
< 1442263054 426493 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Need to update to stable
< 1442263066 431971 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :At some point, good night for real now *turns off monitor*
< 1442263066 612595 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mm. I may have inadvertently relied on something modern somewhere.
< 1442263084 834988 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think d3 should be relatively portable, though, since it's so popular, so it's probably something I did.
< 1442263295 91914 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ooh, new visualisation idea: current position for each warrior at the end of the match
< 1442263320 504505 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :would be nice to see how "far" the loser got through the winner's decoys
< 1442263400 631302 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could do some sort of a summarizer. You can of course see individual ones with the egojsout viewer.
< 1442263430 388513 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed, it's the summary that's more interesting
< 1442263448 694304 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure what you'd want to average over: opponents and tape lengths are the obvious things to average over though
< 1442263714 868635 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: it doesn't work in IE 11 either hth
< 1442263737 775918 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Does it just not show up?
< 1442263757 782189 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, nothing below the text
< 1442263780 783936 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well except space
< 1442263812 933657 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hrm.
< 1442263824 523027 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll test it when I boot to Windows next. In fact, could do that now.
< 1442263837 570454 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been thinking about going 10, despite everything.
< 1442264092 931309 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :as long as you stay away from the edge
< 1442264101 470584 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Microsoft Edge, that is
< 1442264491 404623 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, Math.log10 was something very new, it seems.
< 1442264508 278844 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442264521 384536 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Works from Chrome 38 onwards; Vorpal managed to pick the newest non-working Chrome.
< 1442264641 769394 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll patch it in when I'm next *away* from Windows. This dual boot thing is kind of inconvenient. I have git here in Winland, but not e.g. the SSH keys for uploading a fixed version, or rsync... wait, since when do I have rsync?
< 1442264673 943712 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also the console is bash. Am I actually in Windows at all?
< 1442264691 366534 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I've made an effort to make this feel homely.
< 1442264768 312166 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why even boot windows?
< 1442264832 29947 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Games maybe twice a year, in my case.
< 1442264869 267992 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are plenty of games for linux
< 1442264893 665559 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're the wrong ones.
< 1442264987 92894 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think about half of my Steam library is Windows-only. Can't recall the exact number.
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< 1442265795 342028 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03GoogolPlanck 5* 10New user account
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< 1442266696 849011 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Symball14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=44194 5* 03GoogolPlanck 5* (+26) 10Created page with "== Syball == == Symball =="
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< 1442267522 968889 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science/space/11856221/Humans-may-accidentally-send-aliens-a-computer-virus.html wtf?
< 1442267524 734872 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What?
< 1442267564 537884 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I guess poorly designed alien equipment might malfunction if it interprets signals from space as machine code because aliens are idiots, but... a virus?
< 1442267848 961422 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm too lazy to make the independence day joke
< 1442267945 125086 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Symball14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44195&oldid=44194 5* 03GoogolPlanck 5* (+3020) 10
< 1442268052 331861 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's a polite way to tell your healer that it's not ok to disconnect in the middle of a dungeon
< 1442268074 135579 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44196&oldid=44166 5* 03GoogolPlanck 5* (+14) 10/* S */
< 1442268214 813905 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :meanwhile
< 1442268231 373810 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :for some reason when i middle click in chrome it opens anywhere from one to four new tabs
< 1442268247 522613 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's very exciting
< 1442268336 374879 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made the mistake of reading comments on a news site
< 1442268518 259634 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442268892 936309 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :My left click sometimes doubleclicks on its own, so I get 1-2 tabs when ctrl-clicking.
< 1442268987 748303 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizziello. middle click?
< 1442269008 230600 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: It also drops items when dragging.
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< 1442269026 11258 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the right click only clicks on every third or so attempt.
< 1442269031 797381 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1442269048 575214 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is quite suboptimal.
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< 1442269071 48429 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the new mouse from Amazon instead scrolls on its own when in the free-spinning mode I've gotten very used to.
< 1442269088 130931 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The scroll wheel has an orientation it likes, and it returns to it by gravity.
< 1442269108 536157 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Scrolling up to a page's worth up and down after every operation, depending on the angle it was left at.
< 1442269136 707832 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the replacement for that is somewhere in France, and will be delivered a week from now, even though they said they'll use the fastest possible shipping method.
< 1442269169 808043 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie's suboptimouse.
< 1442269221 758082 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've heard "The House of the Mouse" is a term people use of the Disney corporation.
< 1442269355 495168 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, finnish deliveries are low-priority and don't occasion the use of a plane
< 1442269357 989352 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :or boat
< 1442269360 620709 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :or car
< 1442269363 708455 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :or bicycle
< 1442269519 538941 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phellontom_Hoover.
< 1442269536 101861 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you saying Finnish deliveries are made by foot?
< 1442269542 690270 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or by submarines?
< 1442269549 937293 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or by ICBM?
< 1442269561 899837 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :motorbike
< 1442269573 526107 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :trains
< 1442269592 287518 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :trikes
< 1442269630 29194 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unicycles would be awesome
< 1442269648 550034 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :would be? unicycles are real
< 1442269655 678018 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd appreciate someone in the front of my door on a unicycle with a package for me
< 1442269685 242909 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: i mean as a delivering tool
< 1442269707 938907 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are also unitandems, that would be even more awesome
< 1442269752 823913 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mynamello.
< 1442269755 148032 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unitandems?
< 1442269768 478720 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unitandems.
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< 1442272619 568358 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gVd Eving
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< 1442272720 315345 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not Evning?
< 1442272722 896136 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Symball14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44197&oldid=44195 5* 03GoogolPlanck 5* (+1) 10/* Docs */
< 1442272761 337521 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wAt, Dat SVd bE EvniG
< 1442273415 118798 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :symball is neat. not that special, but slim and you can obfuscate great
< 1442273446 211435 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am temoted to write symball code that is valid with two different reading offsets
< 1442273462 990937 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*tempted
< 1442273828 505132 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloren_!
< 1442273852 558412 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that some kind of klingonified English spelling?
< 1442274477 736601 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :klingon?
< 1442274479 768732 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1442274512 610267 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.orenwatson.be/speliG.htm
< 1442276048 81921 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there should be French, Swedish and Tibetan versions.
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< 1442277341 701391 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You're saying it has to do with the nationality and not the location of the recipient?
< 1442277406 794589 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. the french are, after all, notorious racists
< 1442278242 66243 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FUCK
< 1442278266 173724 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can someone fork nano and remove the Justify button
< 1442278273 95277 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :please
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< 1442278761 76136 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Symball14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44198&oldid=44197 5* 03GoogolPlanck 5* (+2267) 10/* Examples */
< 1442280117 576549 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren_: Why not switch to a better editor?
< 1442280128 476484 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example, ed
< 1442280482 166375 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :ed is definitely better at not ruining your work because of a single errant keypress
< 1442280553 2892 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of these days I'll write my own editor from scratch
< 1442281059 67100 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use kakoune
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< 1442282700 590579 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A while ago, I decided that, in order to make my speech just a little bit more gender-neutral, I would abandon the generic greeting "Hey guys", replacing it with "Hey you guys".
< 1442282729 983238 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In retrospect, this seems kind of silly.
< 1442283420 639334 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you simulate a 7 sided die with a 5 sided die?
< 1442283624 652909 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sampling by rejection?
< 1442283652 839044 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Roll the 5 sided die twice, keeping track of each roll seperately. Add the first die to 5 times the second. If the result is over 21, reroll. Otherwise, mod 7 the result.
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< 1442283670 981709 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow calm down you cowboy
< 1442283690 475933 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: is that a standard or de-facto way to do that?
< 1442283756 254842 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq rejected your rhetorical question
< 1442283779 631033 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: It's at least pretty close to a standard way of doing it. You're basically rolling a random base 5 two-digit number, and discarding those samples that would skew the distribution.
< 1442284929 970628 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(1/x)^((1/x)-1) is asymptotically linear?
< 1442284988 805280 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :x^(1-(1/x))
< 1442285016 107828 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, no. hmm
< 1442285136 578268 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it LOOKS linear
< 1442285357 138615 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Como se dice guys en spivak?
< 1442285372 329228 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-icnjyetazolxdxeq JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442285398 458196 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is spivak?
< 1442285416 259878 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gayatri_Chakravorty_Spivak
< 1442285471 351930 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a guy called spivak wrote my calculus textbook
< 1442285475 298149 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spivak_pronoun
< 1442285595 223870 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that is somehow the same spivak, wtf
< 1442285834 563825 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuckit I can't remebewr how to prove this with limit math, so i'mma do an ε δ proof
< 1442285995 331170 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, i guess it's a ε N proof. whatever
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< 1442286293 825415 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Symball14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44199&oldid=44198 5* 03GoogolPlanck 5* (+7035) 10/* Examples */
< 1442286359 907222 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Symball14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44200&oldid=44199 5* 03GoogolPlanck 5* (-6) 10/* = Generation 1 */
< 1442286385 747747 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Symball14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44201&oldid=44200 5* 03GoogolPlanck 5* (-3) 10/* = Generation 3 (produced by G2) */
< 1442286466 760390 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right. x^x = 1 when x = 1, and x^x is a smooth function.
< 1442286498 882939 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/when x = 1/when x = 0/
< 1442286540 981654 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hence (1/x)^(1/x) approaches 1 as x -> +oo
< 1442286573 677536 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hence (1/x)^(1/x-1) * 1/x -> 1
< 1442286595 776254 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hence (1/x)^(1/x-1) is asymptot. linear in x
< 1442286633 879418 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the line in question being y=x)
< 1442286742 515404 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Symball14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44202&oldid=44201 5* 03GoogolPlanck 5* (+4) 10/* ESO/Smiley/Hello, World! */
< 1442286776 26625 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Symball14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44203&oldid=44202 5* 03GoogolPlanck 5* (+9) 10/* Symball */
< 1442287452 947022 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gah, curse you college webservers!
< 1442287520 124054 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't get to a page on bubble logic because schools keep deleting the websites they host for students.
< 1442287622 344566 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fluidics#cite_note-2
< 1442287676 908710 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.wired.com/2012/04/soldier-crabs/
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< 1442293550 335930 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t flip seq ()
< 1442293551 714760 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :a -> ()
< 1442294328 435440 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442294339 979992 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What esoteric number formats could we do?
< 1442294376 405636 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :1) Fraction Point (32 bit numerator, 32 bit denominator)
< 1442294435 53279 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Knuth advocates floating-slash fractions
< 1442294452 227242 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :2) Floating Point w/ expansion: Sort of like normal floating point, but with some bits dedicated to saying how many of the value's digits are repeated
< 1442294456 846915 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: What?
< 1442294501 736527 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :The initial bits of a floating-slash number indicate how many bits are used by the numerator; the remaining bits are used for the denominator.
< 1442294501 917290 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Floating point with the bits rearranged, their precise arrangement depends on the time of day.
< 1442294507 947434 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], why floating point expansion
< 1442294552 725517 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^v: It's for EXACT floating point values
< 1442294577 748620 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be offered SEPARATELY from normal floating point
< 1442294592 597608 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose then you have a denominator float
< 1442294613 832240 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that way you can have exact fractions
< 1442294617 143220 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :accurate double x = 0.1; accurate double y = 0.2;
< 1442294628 434520 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :x + y == 0.3
< 1442294631 617960 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :--> true
< 1442294667 852780 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in a c-like language)
< 1442294683 977726 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well thats true in normal C
< 1442294720 264900 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Last time I checked, no it isn't. Due to rounding errors.
< 1442294777 733571 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh
< 1442294783 305535 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for non power of two numbers
< 1442294793 18503 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exactly
< 1442294825 602635 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, the example I gave would just be optimized to "true" xD
< 1442294857 643554 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really
< 1442294878 110084 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so.. you use bignums?
< 1442294897 446503 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh?
< 1442294907 74269 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :infinite precision numbers
< 1442294909 679960 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are common
< 1442294924 773430 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, yes
< 1442294934 25013 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :INFINITY PRECISION FLOATING POINT FTW!
< 1442294936 439428 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :How would you treat: accurate double x = 2; return pow(pow(sqrt(x), sqrt(x)), sqrt(x));
< 1442294973 363886 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: Not sure
< 1442294979 998369 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (sqrt 2 ** sqrt 2) ** sqrt 2
< 1442294980 453683 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :still figuring out how im going to make the language with only ^ and v
< 1442294980 934896 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not very good at low-level stuff xD
< 1442294981 414522 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2.0000000000000004
< 1442294988 253298 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (sqrt 2 ** sqrt 2) ** sqrt 2 :: CReal
< 1442294989 936816 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2.0
< 1442295004 242855 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^v: I can make a language with only "^"
< 1442295028 245585 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :+[>,<]
< 1442295038 53880 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: So... um... did you find a massive flaw wiht my Accurate Floating Point thing what?
< 1442295083 616516 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/thing/thing or/g
< 1442295100 16676 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :MWAHAHAHAHA I HAVE RUINED MILLIONS OF PAST TEXTS EVERYWHERE
< 1442295110 477538 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/wiht/with/
< 1442295122 638285 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, the only solutions to the 0.2+0.1~=0.3 problem is either to use fractions (which are not space efficient) or store the numbers in base 10
< 1442295220 383829 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you just assign 0.3 to 0.3~0.3? NO! YOU HAVE RUINED MATHEMATICS!
< 1442295244 128258 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^v: My solution is still good :,(
< 1442295287 597553 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :To have some extra bits denoting what part after the decimal point expands
< 1442295300 889958 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fractions are as space efficient as floats (up to a factor of about 1/3, the asymptotic density of Farey sequences)
< 1442295305 593925 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So 0.11... is possible
< 1442295354 957310 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So what's next?
< 1442295359 738173 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Randomly floating point?
< 1442295366 332615 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sinking point
< 1442295402 140359 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depending on what the RNG spits out when you call it, it can be 10.5, 1.05, 0.105, 105000000000000000000000000000000.0, etc (pretending we're using base 10)
< 1442295408 508742 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: Oooh
< 1442295411 494500 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does that work?
< 1442295424 919966 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, I'm still sinking about it.
< 1442295434 926378 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :-_-
< 1442295472 429925 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh_you.jpg
< 1442295496 30540 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dear god I clicked tat
< 1442295504 876440 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD
< 1442295506 422615 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Firefox openned oh_you.jpg
< 1442295509 673063 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :AS A FUCKING URL
< 1442295511 980760 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :xDxD
< 1442295524 936238 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :MIND.STATE += BLOWN
< 1442295529 242478 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hell.666
< 1442295534 273924 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :.com domains are like $8 now
< 1442295536 731658 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is nice
< 1442295537 466625 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone else send that message back to me
< 1442295541 220076 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i got pxtst.com xD
< 1442295545 962721 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to see if hell has a secret domain
< 1442295566 578866 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone send the message "hell.666"
< 1442295578 217922 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the ^v language will be a polymorphic huffman tree
< 1442295585 470926 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoa
< 1442295590 841632 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hell.com is NOT FUCKING REGISTERED
< 1442295603 61126 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i bet its like $400 a month
< 1442295606 407132 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD
< 1442295607 223490 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well
< 1442295608 161882 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is
< 1442295613 584692 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :By a domain parking thing
< 1442295617 592033 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That doesn't exist anymore
< 1442295620 131993 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :-_-
< 1442295628 652101 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Domain parking things should be banned everywhere
< 1442295638 145304 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :domain squatting is already illegal
< 1442295658 958435 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Domain parking though
< 1442295687 192434 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :all they have to do is put "this is not domain squatting" on the page and its not illegal anymore
< 1442295695 698564 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh
< 1442295722 17531 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :According to Wikipedia fixed-length strings can be viewed topologically as vertices of a hypercube
< 1442295723 842681 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :True fact
< 1442295731 468991 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/String_%28computer_science%29#Topology
< 1442295753 474025 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1442295764 457921 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :more usefully
< 1442295768 799370 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a string can be viewed as molecules
< 1442295784 811040 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can get the hypercubic graphs as cayley graphs in this way
< 1442295918 835242 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now that I think about it
< 1442295925 39433 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1442295926 786685 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :um
< 1442295935 844476 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh right!
< 1442295947 236046 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :2D strings would be useful for CJK representations
< 1442295965 394784 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :With the x-axis representing characters and points along the y-axis representing components of those characters
< 1442296245 895259 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDream
< 1442296474 795842 :sc00fy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1442298738 945383 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :esoteric string representation?
< 1442299726 911301 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes
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< 1442301307 106955 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@2a02:2c40:400::1:6e46 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442301439 393162 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION should note the Ideograph Description Sequence in Unicode is already obscure enough
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< 1442313062 294092 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :*.net *.split
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< 1442313175 287564 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-14-112.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host
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< 1442313539 414967 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Quit: lunch
< 1442316359 397753 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: PRESSURIZED CHICKEN
< 1442316377 264305 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet TOPIC #esoteric :ˈɪŋɡlɪʃ ˈspɛlɪŋ ɹəˈfɔrms | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ | https://esolangs.org/
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< 1442321103 732414 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442321446 822011 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442321637 789729 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, the topic looks like IPA, but it isn't
< 1442321646 147666 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1442321649 359401 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what language is that? English written in an IPA-like style?
< 1442321674 642872 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[CTCP] Received CTCP-PING reply from ais523: 18 seconds.
< 1442321750 51076 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what's non-IPA about it?
< 1442321781 973124 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: things like "ŋɡ"
< 1442321800 926176 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I had a 59-second ping at one point
< 1442321807 661788 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then a bunch of messages came through at once (including the ping response)
< 1442321814 152018 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Internet ♥
< 1442321815 883310 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :20 seconds to you from here
< 1442321858 760264 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well i remember we discussed "ng" in english recently and at least one person insisted it _always_ includes a g sound at the end
< 1442321868 427884 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:57:44 CTCP PING reply from ais523: 27.119 seconds
< 1442321870 732886 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442321874 612932 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heya Phantom_Hoover
< 1442321891 759541 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think possibly oren_
< 1442321913 504560 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :You Guys do not even measure Split-Seconds in CTCP-Pings yet? =^ﻨ^=
< 1442321915 244598 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey oerjan, you read casey and andy right
< 1442321940 55145 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i knew it did in "finger", but wasn't aware it applied to so many words
< 1442321940 920261 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, so the topic is the result of a debate over how IPA /should/ work? that makes a lot of sense
< 1442321943 190716 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: i did yes
< 1442321958 951610 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well no, the topic is new and i wasn't here
< 1442322022 208045 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :while the discussion i recall was weeks ago
< 1442322070 424833 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :23 seconds
< 1442322080 699431 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you noticed that the titular andy has since written a book that has now been adapted into some massive hollywood film
< 1442322105 322116 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: have you tried switching servers
< 1442322133 56610 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm /wii responds immediately
< 1442322176 609841 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it's not just Freenode that's the problem, it's every website, so I doubt that would help; I suspect the issue is at the router at my end
< 1442322289 655333 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :APic: it shows split seconds just fine, i just didn't see the point in including them
< 1442322307 332530 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: um no?
< 1442322357 496238 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh so he has
< 1442322380 810217 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I see.
< 1442322381 751870 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good!
< 1442322391 662615 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: the resolution of a ping depends on your client
< 1442322401 257245 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i keep laughing stupidly to myself whenever i see posters for it
< 1442322472 787819 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, most clients have stateless pings, meaning that you can send them ping responses unsolicited and they'll display them as implausible times
< 1442322533 664379 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, obviously his realisation that he was an incredibly bad artist paid off
< 1442322728 493679 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: the comic isn't even mentioned on his wikipedia page :(
< 1442322782 35606 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1442322792 897461 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the tvtropes page for c&a is great now
< 1442322813 51291 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :"see also his other abandoned webcomic and his bestselling novel"
< 1442322825 629042 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442323274 312795 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442323793 209142 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :see also me getting sucked into tvtropes one more time
< 1442323987 216180 :x10A94!~x10A94@178.252.73.97 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442324179 234898 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, oops sorry
< 1442324200 782072 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i only read enough to remember that dmm actually made a GURPS module for c&a
< 1442324284 482490 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i made the mistake of starting to read the example section. but it'll surely be ok if i can just avoid doing so recursively.
< 1442324351 39980 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION rediscovered A Miracle of Science.
< 1442324368 381140 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which I read at about the same time as C&A)
< 1442324386 128432 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and GG has a pie chart.
< 1442324425 327247 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so since we're now investigating time... is GG going to end soon?
< 1442324485 314651 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is afraid that Agatha may turn out to be her own mother.
< 1442324492 591576 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh that was the first apparition
< 1442324500 848080 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it was :)
< 1442324562 512153 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-76-149.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
< 1442324626 64415 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: well for the other apparitions they'll have to find the geisterdamen...
< 1442324702 392794 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe they're in Paris too. ;)
< 1442324789 643416 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Twist: Nothing is at it seems; the great Wizard of Paris is actually Klaus in disguise, who has been secretly helping Agatha all this time.
< 1442324855 207420 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh the first pages are no longer entirely black and white
< 1442324881 499284 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: maybe a _little_ bit far there...
< 1442325342 602347 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :just making clear I still don't really know how this is going to end, despite all the hints.
< 1442325361 690926 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :SURELY IT'S ALL OBVIOUS
< 1442325377 342606 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're a dreen, anyway
< 1442325591 282724 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1442325634 613468 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442325920 113848 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I can make it worse: It's all a dream. Agatha wakes up and goes to school. The end.
< 1442325933 143145 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice work
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< 1442332028 939392 :MDream!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDude
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< 1442334286 233760 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren_: í sē ýū tū háv kriātyd y nýū orþográfi for Iŋliś
< 1442334300 618474 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ī
< 1442334374 591104 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :ī háv tu sā, yors is mor līkli tu bē ydopted
< 1442334378 299537 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Client Quit
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< 1442335782 984938 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, the first vowel in 'likely' is a diphthong hth
< 1442335859 186479 :MercurialHg!~Mercurial@94.123.198.68 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442335890 978749 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: in that orthography, the "I" diphtong is marked ī
< 1442335982 917956 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Capricorn14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=44204 5* 03Virgolang 5* (+67) 10Created page with "It is a symbolic programming language that invented by MercurialHg."
< 1442335995 548518 :MercurialHg!~Mercurial@94.123.198.68 PRIVMSG #esoteric :me?!
< 1442336820 487102 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-xcyossbedoivlmkv QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
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< 1442337487 866936 :MercurialHg!~Mercurial@94.123.200.252 NICK :Mercurial
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< 1442338489 245932 :dizzney!5d815182@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.93.129.81.130 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client
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< 1442339129 554702 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442339549 619731 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hu
< 1442339890 392199 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1442340344 285523 :Mercurial!~Mercurial@94.123.200.252 QUIT :Quit: Leaving
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< 1442341093 610162 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Disconnected by services
< 1442341097 628424 :nycs!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com NICK :`^_^v
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< 1442341577 280796 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`^_^v, why were you in #bp a while ago anyway
< 1442341577 926072 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: ^_^v,: not found
< 1442341601 314624 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have no idea what #bp is
< 1442341637 265633 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm only ever on prog lang chans
< 1442341708 191217 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :British Petroleum channel?
< 1442341715 506628 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh. #bp on espernet, for the freespace mod? i swear i got freaked out when i noticed you were in both
< 1442341717 672684 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well
< 1442341800 361706 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :some guy must have stolen my nick
< 1442341807 250251 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cant blame him, its a pretty sweet nick
< 1442341815 581671 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
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< 1442341941 973064 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think he said he was in here too but the logs for that are long gone so who knows
< 1442341954 468688 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442341964 431655 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Client Quit
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< 1442342355 621376 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Stare/1.014]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44205&oldid=44180 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+17) 10Added nowiki tags on bwor
< 1442342402 230196 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Stare/1.014]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44206&oldid=44205 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+0) 10Changed a function to the proper one (not chr, ord)
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< 1442343321 931804 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07DeafPig14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=44207 5* 03GoogolPlanck 5* (+681) 10Created page with "== DeafPig == DeafPig is a member of the [Pig] series along with [Pig], [SickPig], [DeadPig], and [QuinePig]. As with the other Pig languages, the only command is PIG. The d..."
< 1442343428 422791 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07DeafPig14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44208&oldid=44207 5* 03GoogolPlanck 5* (+42) 10
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< 1442344751 913692 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442344979 728561 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1442345730 742992 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442346779 768496 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1442346838 819120 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*siiiiigh*
< 1442346856 186311 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :*yaaaawn*
< 1442348575 753541 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Are you on?
< 1442348590 236657 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :If so, are you the one who suggested some stuff for IO in TaurusVM?
< 1442348829 273168 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember doing that.
< 1442348840 994548 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although that's not saying much.
< 1442348862 855039 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1442348891 244023 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it was FreeFull? Or maybe FireFly?
< 1442348923 654438 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wasn't me
< 1442348926 616471 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was certainly not fungot
< 1442348926 794599 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: i won't change it, but it's a political perspective, not a latin word at all.
< 1442348978 743826 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD
< 1442348980 987012 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds
< 1442349021 34744 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :AFK
< 1442349146 375334 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it was me
< 1442349204 383896 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh
< 1442349212 219345 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could swear their name started with an f
< 1442349443 980839 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442349509 136809 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :fnerd
< 1442349699 518271 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
< 1442349809 435133 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1442350143 356739 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442350466 443566 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure how I should implement codesine
< 1442351126 314797 :Melvar`!~melvar@dslb-092-072-164-084.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442351163 654727 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: Do it with frobnication
< 1442351177 969965 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep
< 1442351189 310086 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-092-072-128-163.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds
< 1442351266 399998 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442351279 818074 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-128-163.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1442351281 353651 :Melvar`!~melvar@dslb-092-072-164-084.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de NICK :Melvar
< 1442351357 641511 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I vote we move Object-Oriented to either Object-Oriented Paradigm or Object-Oriented Programming
< 1442351439 25193 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I second my own vote
< 1442351445 401621 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm the only member of this council
< 1442351478 590209 :aretecode!~aretecode@50.23.131.206-static.reverse.softlayer.com QUIT :Quit: Toodaloo
< 1442351489 578570 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will now put it to a vote
< 1442351492 126895 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I vote yes
< 1442351496 287623 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Motion carried
< 1442351624 989164 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Object-oriented14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=44209 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+191) 10Created Page
< 1442351781 445857 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-092-072-164-084.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442352255 700381 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION clears his throat
< 1442352424 332153 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*cough cough* ais523 *cough*
< 1442352601 947069 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll move it if someone else agrees that it should be moved.
< 1442352611 355042 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1442352616 134494 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :My preference between the two options would be "Object-oriented programming".
< 1442352625 381428 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've added float instructions to my VM :)
< 1442352796 12902 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mijhlflbgkdionaz QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity
< 1442352812 589349 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :object-oriented programming sounds like a page written from the point of view of the programmer, whereas object-oriented paradigm sounds like a page written from the point of view of the language designer
< 1442353080 325193 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442353101 661349 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Disconnected by services
< 1442353104 634326 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523
< 1442353365 751118 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Loader14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44210&oldid=44105 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (+166) 10
< 1442353404 654447 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I add SETIF instructions to my VM?
< 1442353421 245512 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in
< 1442353488 390449 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1442353610 672551 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :NEXT VM
< 1442353612 547777 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ThueVM
< 1442353664 508382 :atrapado!~atrapado@unaffiliated/atrapado QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1442353783 198029 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is in NO way whatsoever related to Thue
< 1442353801 181917 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aside from dealing with strings a lot
< 1442353858 352239 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone?
< 1442353859 857264 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No?
< 1442353867 669581 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523?
< 1442353900 407100 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I'm being pinged a lot for no obvious reason
< 1442353909 915814 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't massively have the solution to everything people ask about
< 1442353911 958474 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know :)
< 1442353912 484040 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*magically
< 1442353914 155022 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I'm tired
< 1442353918 714749 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as you can tell from my typos
< 1442353922 199691 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not asking for your solution
< 1442353938 278580 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(interestingly I tend to typo real words into other real words, because if I typo into a nonword I typically correct it out of habit)
< 1442353968 407139 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just needy and want people to respond to me so I don't feel lonely, which likely stems from not having many friends as a child, and blah blah blah blah blah blah blah...
< 1442354028 347083 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like it when people respond to me too, I've just gotten used to waiting weeks or months
< 1442354038 318203 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, your name is at the top of the userlist.
< 1442354046 686439 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :AND I recognize you.
< 1442354049 369667 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I bring it on myself by designing esolangs that are too complex/weird for anyone else to understand, and often for me to understand either)
< 1442354457 113408 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds
< 1442354472 391943 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07TaurusVM14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44211&oldid=44085 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+547) 10Extended and reaccurated page
< 1442354519 70120 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442354761 583536 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
< 1442355039 977611 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :
< 1442355119 568301 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442355119 856007 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442355254 963073 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hellu Phantom__Hoover
< 1442355563 752442 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1442355777 608870 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :My VM is now officially TC :)
< 1442355782 733721 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think
< 1442355803 25334 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Loader14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44212&oldid=44210 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (+39) 10
< 1442355808 447724 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :tc is overrated imho
< 1442355809 876067 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have arithmetic operations, SET, MOV, indirection, and conditional branching on various conditions
< 1442355818 8521 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: How so?
< 1442355819 627223 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :but sounds cool
< 1442355861 917508 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], well i mean... it doesn't take much to be TC
< 1442355868 996734 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :True
< 1442355873 580105 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's the best there is xD
< 1442355881 901666 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :the interesting part for me is languages which are almost but not quite tc
< 1442355887 871012 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, asside from both TC AND being easy to TC which
< 1442355897 573823 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/ass/as/
< 1442355922 160960 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, my VM is designed to actually be useful in some respect
< 1442355923 509442 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So...
< 1442355931 115274 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :TC is a big step
< 1442355937 799492 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :just in terms of computational class at least
< 1442355942 204514 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :AND I mean it's officially TC IN THE REFERENCE IMPLEMENTATION
< 1442355951 667590 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it possible to be useful without TC?
< 1442355966 944343 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :CC isn't that interesting in general, interesting semantics are much better
< 1442355967 729095 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh! boily's on!
< 1442355972 173385 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is, but not for everything
< 1442355972 502785 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily, C says hi
< 1442355992 335565 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavellon[1]!
< 1442355999 821982 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi!
< 1442356000 735773 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Helloover. who's C?
< 1442356022 109783 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: I'm making a machine called ThueVM
< 1442356047 325191 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's basically a computer that does a LOT of string handling on the machine code level
< 1442356149 823950 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's quite novel.
< 1442356157 179383 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yuy!
< 1442356160 110934 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did something new!
< 1442356184 383906 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? yuy
< 1442356185 161674 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yuy? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1442356207 733059 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an emote for some face with fucked up eyes
< 1442356293 255311 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a corruption of Yay
< 1442356529 649267 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07TaurusVM14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44213&oldid=44211 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+470) 10Added two more VMs
< 1442356811 576061 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn yuy yuy:yay::lulz:lol
< 1442356813 337993 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'yuy': yuy yuy:yay::lulz:lol
< 1442356822 459122 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`yuy
< 1442356823 47581 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: yuy: not found
< 1442356826 885607 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? yuy
< 1442356828 820360 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yuy yuy:yay::lulz:lol
< 1442356916 318618 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442356941 528514 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07TaurusVM14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44214&oldid=44213 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+86) 10Nothing of importance
< 1442357043 735 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What other interesting ideas could I add to TVM?
< 1442357331 245854 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`set -i 's/$yuy //' wisdom/yuy
< 1442357331 996949 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: set: not found
< 1442357334 68334 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :shit
< 1442357337 734256 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`sed -i 's/$yuy //' wisdom/yuy
< 1442357338 312945 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usage: sed [OPTION]... {script-only-if-no-other-script} [input-file]... \ \ -n, --quiet, --silent \ suppress automatic printing of pattern space \ -e script, --expression=script \ add the script to the commands to be executed \ -f script-file, --file=script-file \ add the contents of script-
< 1442357409 970902 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :welp
< 1442357492 512811 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442357562 890630 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What did you just do.
< 1442357812 142287 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i tried to use sed and failed
< 1442357814 192757 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? yuy
< 1442357814 971772 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yuy yuy:yay::lulz:lol
< 1442357823 274997 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You tried to use ` instead of ``.
< 1442357833 293728 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i'm not using any shell features am i?
< 1442357838 547336 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :``sed -i 's/$yuy //' wisdom/yuy
< 1442357839 158554 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: `sed: not found
< 1442357843 805015 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're using the shell feature of multiple arguments.
< 1442357845 45220 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` sed -i 's/$yuy //' wisdom/yuy
< 1442357845 858423 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1442357859 792790 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, wow
< 1442357877 246960 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd totally forgotten about that
< 1442357880 568043 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? yuy
< 1442357881 512930 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yuy yuy:yay::lulz:lol
< 1442357899 631167 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` sed -i 's/^yuy //' wisdom/yuy
< 1442357901 435304 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1442357902 570284 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? yuy
< 1442357903 387666 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yuy:yay::lulz:lol
< 1442357907 310538 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :ph is gud unix
< 1442358011 808054 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07TaurusVM14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44215&oldid=44214 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+245) 10See Also Section
< 1442358038 153845 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a le/rn for learning things "foo" that aren't of the form "foo ...".
< 1442358038 621599 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: Thank you
< 1442358045 859298 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah
< 1442358062 163138 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the syntax would've been `le/rn yuy/yuy:yay:... or something like that.
< 1442358106 358221 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately it doesn't work for things with /s in their names.
< 1442358109 521104 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :or `` echo ... > wisdom/yuy
< 1442358117 604141 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But there's also `mk
< 1442358196 945016 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07TaurusVM14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44216&oldid=44215 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+2) 10Dammit, wikimarkup
< 1442358223 910176 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? s-expressions
< 1442358224 496422 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s-expressions? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1442358248 849151 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? YuY
< 1442358249 549425 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yuy:yay::lulz:lol
< 1442358369 691112 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? s expressions
< 1442358370 419114 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s expressions? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1442358391 317292 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds
< 1442358400 811579 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? sexps
< 1442358401 437354 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sexps? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1442358404 145245 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? sexprs
< 1442358404 811681 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sexprs? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1442359218 728723 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? :
< 1442359219 452021 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1442359285 351411 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gVd EvniG!
< 1442359415 841292 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? oren
< 1442359416 484477 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren is a Canadian esolanger who would like to obliterate time zones so that he can talk to his father who lives in the same house. He'll orobablu get the hang of toycj tuping soon.
< 1442359434 129216 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? hppavilion[1]
< 1442359434 982125 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1] se describe en las notas al pie. ¿Porqué no los dos? Nadie lo sabe.
< 1442359465 335762 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? Jafet
< 1442359466 5267 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1442359466 346051 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1442359474 723716 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I liked the old hppavilion[1] thing
< 1442359478 216882 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` sed -i 's/orobablu get the hang of toycj tuping soon/probably get the hang of touch typing soon/' wisdom/oren # hth
< 1442359478 462491 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? history
< 1442359479 135231 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :history? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1442359494 201106 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone should open a dictionary and start defining every normal word too
< 1442359497 816593 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :TO OXFORD!
< 1442359500 584513 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? the
< 1442359501 461141 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1442359523 530523 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Toe of Harriness's Enclave
< 1442359525 278823 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'toe': Toe of Harriness's Enclave
< 1442359530 480701 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn the Toe of Harriness's Enclave
< 1442359532 401789 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'toe': the Toe of Harriness's Enclave
< 1442359537 67417 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? toe
< 1442359537 883201 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Toe of Harriness's Enclave
< 1442359556 263202 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's going on?
< 1442359577 769230 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn foe Field-On Enemy
< 1442359579 515623 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'foe': foe Field-On Enemy
< 1442359582 37028 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn the Toe of Harriness's Enclosure
< 1442359583 830705 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'toe': the Toe of Harriness's Enclosure
< 1442359590 671772 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you not do this
< 1442359591 175107 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is it learning toe when I enter the?
< 1442359594 752115 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :twh
< 1442359595 293759 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn the foe is the Field-On Enemy
< 1442359597 5382 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'foe': the foe is the Field-On Enemy
< 1442359602 36269 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn The Toe of Harriness's Enclosure
< 1442359603 836343 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'toe': The Toe of Harriness's Enclosure
< 1442359610 125850 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how this works :(
< 1442359633 640665 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn the Toe of Harriness's Enclosure
< 1442359636 818813 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'toe': the Toe of Harriness's Enclosure
< 1442359637 110752 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoops
< 1442359642 685975 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn' mean to send that yet
< 1442359644 89473 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`le/rn the/the Toe of Harriness's Enclosure
< 1442359645 959436 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned «the»
< 1442359656 76608 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thank you!
< 1442359660 175700 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm clueless :/
< 1442359662 945759 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? the
< 1442359663 649309 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Toe of Harriness's Enclosure
< 1442359720 7143 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? a
< 1442359720 726355 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A is _not_ a village in Norway, unless you're the BBC and don't understand things on top of letters.
< 1442359737 812853 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's awesome
< 1442359747 691987 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even get what it's referencing, but that's awesome
< 1442359749 574110 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? b
< 1442359750 230883 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1442359769 54965 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? �
< 1442359769 735142 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :�? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1442359771 577152 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn b is, in fact, a village in norway
< 1442359773 948152 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'b': b is, in fact, a village in norway
< 1442359779 529127 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn B is, in fact, a village in norway
< 1442359781 380594 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'b': B is, in fact, a village in norway
< 1442359782 633203 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? b
< 1442359783 322197 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :B is, in fact, a village in norway
< 1442359795 299351 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have an idea
< 1442359797 240152 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo can y'all not do that
< 1442359835 249917 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why don't we go through EVERY letter of the alphabet, saying they are or aren't a village in norway depending on the primality of their (1-based) index in the alphabet?
< 1442359843 129211 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :JUST to drive shachaf crazy
< 1442359894 543416 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdome
< 1442359895 297261 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: wisdome: not found
< 1442359895 740592 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom
< 1442359896 691334 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :intercal/INTERCAL has excellent features for modular program for the enterprise market.
< 1442359947 238115 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`le/rn wisdome/The place where all of HackBot's wisdom is stored and forced to fight to the death for the freedom of being printed out when you type `wisdom
< 1442359949 73200 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned «wisdome»
< 1442359959 373172 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? wisdome
< 1442359960 197926 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The place where all of HackBot's wisdom is stored and forced to fight to the death for the freedom of being printed out when you type `wisdom
< 1442359997 455486 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But... wouldn't that mean that every time you type `wisdom, there are less and less options as they keep fighting to the death?
< 1442360003 168085 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No
< 1442360007 307334 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :They get revived each time
< 1442360011 209048 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sound horrific.
< 1442360014 608690 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is
< 1442360017 229950 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very much
< 1442360041 997662 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is why you shouldn't participate their horrifyingly mosterous system
< 1442360079 97118 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom
< 1442360080 51112 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wlcom/Hi! This is a chat about unusual programming tools. For additional info, visit our wiki: . (For unusual things of a contrasting sort, try http://bit.ly/19k9nf8.)
< 1442360136 575115 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now someone needs to make a command called `wisdom that, when executed, talks about in the wisdome
< 1442360150 127070 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/`wisdom/`wisdome/
< 1442360191 162514 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alternatively, that allows users to add horrific death scenes as one kills the other
< 1442360197 329247 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1442360223 150237 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I'm tempted to write a HackBot fanfic about the Wisdome
< 1442360225 654621 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD
< 1442360279 713570 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1442360300 733840 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT!?
< 1442360345 439654 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :NUUUUUUUUUUUU
< 1442360424 136327 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? wisdome
< 1442360424 829672 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The place where all of HackBot's wisdom is stored and forced to fight to the death for the freedom of being printed out when you type `wisdom
< 1442360459 472854 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is my crowning achievement in life
< 1442360671 549829 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom
< 1442360672 513637 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for further details/who knows
< 1442360685 405824 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom
< 1442360686 327270 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fsm/An FSM is a state machine with noodly appendages.
< 1442361531 775422 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom
< 1442361533 22261 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ørjan/Ørjan is oerjan's good twin. He's banned in the IRC RFC for being an invalid character. Sometimes he publishes papers.
< 1442361564 957919 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and here I was thinking that int-e was oerjan's good twin. or at least the less evil one.
< 1442361570 44613 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom
< 1442361570 996979 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :grue/grue is the colour of the trees and the ocean
< 1442361582 452537 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that much I agrue with.
< 1442361750 457578 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442361869 569871 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found that Python has a tarfile module that will come in handy for Archive Formats in TaurusVM
< 1442361917 661452 :aretecode!~aretecode@50.23.131.206-static.reverse.softlayer.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442361937 932571 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But what should the file extensin be?
< 1442361942 939310 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*extension
< 1442361957 559689 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
< 1442362110 54698 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'll change Taurus Executables to .taurus files and make the archive format .tau
< 1442362182 662171 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are there any programs that use unicode in their file extnsion?
< 1442362195 290614 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I recall something.
< 1442362198 732886 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing very serious.
< 1442362201 740994 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe esolangs.
< 1442362276 422262 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloworld.ç
< 1442362292 322831 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't find anything right now. Even Ellipsis seems to use just '.' as the extension.
< 1442362315 183670 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is kind of strange, since it uses the Unicode ellipsis character in the source code.
< 1442362358 310545 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, actually it uses "..", so that it's "foo..."; maybe that wouldn't work so well with the Unicode ellipsis.
< 1442362441 824000 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if I translated all keywords and stl functions, and made the extension .срр
< 1442362481 429527 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could, of course, make the Taurus Executables .♉ files
< 1442362536 733215 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that seems like a bad idea
< 1442362595 310423 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whitespace programs should be named 'hello. '
< 1442362605 877933 :Tod-Autojoined2!Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442362606 514558 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the like
< 1442362618 738562 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fair enough
< 1442362637 632937 :gde33|2!kvirc@546A0B75.cm-12-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442362646 869133 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or 'hello. [\t][\n]'
< 1442362747 607347 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-14-112.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442362788 480567 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-14-112.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host
< 1442362788 658258 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442362821 326488 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :'hello.
< 1442362823 134529 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :'
< 1442362838 521732 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin NICK :copumpkin
< 1442362854 955750 :olsner_!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442362883 163010 :mihow!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Quit: mihow
< 1442362897 589636 :Tod-Autojoined!Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1442362897 986211 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
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< 1442362986 719772 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi, puckipedia!
< 1442362991 120878 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi, JesseH2!
< 1442363009 450314 :JesseH2!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH PRIVMSG #esoteric :My connection was reset. No understand.
< 1442363017 525199 :JesseH2!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH NICK :JesseH
< 1442363020 85546 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weird
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< 1442364729 791970 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Horn clauses are cool
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< 1442365895 207517 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, we need something more esoteric
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< 1442366246 999046 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Symball14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44217&oldid=44203 5* 03GoogolPlanck 5* (+522) 10/* Examples */
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< 1442367337 577482 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Codesine14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44218&oldid=44043 5* 03MDude 5* (+21) 10
< 1442368028 602916 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: Balanced ternary logic
< 1442368042 123868 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :With reversible gates
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< 1442368492 683334 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Microscript14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44219&oldid=44170 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (+22) 10
< 1442368815 398279 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Balanced ternary or modal. Or modal balanced ternary.
< 1442368838 492390 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Three by three grid of logical values.
< 1442369133 335443 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :language in which programs are written as non-constructive proofs of the existence of a program to do X
< 1442369233 555109 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442369322 205283 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :An itneractive programming language where you don't say what the program should do specifically, but instead just tell it when it's doing something wrong.
< 1442369355 737950 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And not to do specific thigns in specific conditions.
< 1442369464 342362 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like "don't write to this area of memory when you're outside of this subroutine".
< 1442369466 182167 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Hexadecimal Stacking Pseudo-Assembly Language14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44220&oldid=44144 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (+7) 10
< 1442369599 754740 :pikhq_!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 NICK :pikhq
< 1442370415 621211 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ᾧᾨᾩᾪᾫᾬᾭᾮᾯᾰᾱᾲᾳᾴᾶᾷᾸᾹᾺ
< 1442370656 773003 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also: scissors! ✁✂✃✄
< 1442371378 528465 :yiyus!1242712427@je.je.je QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
< 1442371670 402460 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Malbolge14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44221&oldid=43428 5* 03195.191.162.160 5* (+112) 10/* External resources */ Added link to Malbolge interpreter online
< 1442372025 51243 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, Pandorabots changed it's site.
< 1442372027 476257 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*its
< 1442372120 649252 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait no the original is still at http://www.pandorabots.com/botmaster/en/home
< 1442372406 663071 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've certainly played with it as a kid, but people use this thing for production?
< 1442372410 800114 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always thought it was a toy
< 1442372652 130854 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1442372681 814836 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For production of what?
< 1442372731 127650 :yiyus!~124271242@je.je.je JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442372735 465504 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see how being a toy changes my expectation of not having to link my account with it to yahoo or whatever.
< 1442372741 96631 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442372810 321973 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you tihnk of AIML, fungot?
< 1442372810 963961 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: you make an excellent point. given its apparent fnord, apart from " don't get caught" or " demonstrate fnord in hebrew." such allegations are unfounded and slanderous. they did not have a porn career and did not state what caused his death, he took up boxing under the fnord section), but we really should use the proper deletion procedures as explained in the lead of the article, i didn't do that in your writing and editi
< 1442372861 877070 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite the proffesional opinion, thank you.
< 1442372875 826504 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: What's the new site for PandoraBots?
< 1442372878 397625 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks interesting
< 1442372913 922858 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's http://www.pandorabots.com which I got linked to from http://www.alicebot.org/aiml.html
< 1442372922 564634 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neither even mentions the other.
< 1442372997 325348 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking I would take another try at making a chatbot that acts as an adventure game dungeon master.
< 1442373746 321460 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Nopfunge14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=44222 5* 0369.165.212.148 5* (+5098) 10Added page
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< 1442373946 580132 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm making a mathematics engine for mathemeticians and students
< 1442373952 60161 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FOSS of course
< 1442373958 485247 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I support surreal numbers?
< 1442373960 987914 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll go with yes
< 1442373966 74084 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Complex surreals!
< 1442373971 429442 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't see why not.
< 1442374002 966151 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not entirely sure what surreals represent?
< 1442374061 750208 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Nopfunge14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44223&oldid=44222 5* 0369.165.212.148 5* (+109) 10A few cosmetic edits
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< 1442374195 388511 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh,t hey can be represented in ASCII.
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< 1442374358 402681 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Complex surreals sound good for a mathematical engine.
< 1442374373 377009 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For surreal numbers I'm using w and e for infinity and infinitesimal
< 1442374401 921257 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Instead of ω and ε
< 1442374414 790037 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though {L|R} form will also be available
< 1442374442 659212 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's going to be advised in my engine that you use names >3 characters long for variables, because if you use R it will collide with all real numbers, etc.
< 1442374472 847203 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well you can't wait around for students to actually type out an infinitely long {L|R} definition of w and e.
< 1442374501 195175 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh
< 1442374505 145353 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'd almost take forever.
< 1442374509 772499 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dual numbers will be available too
< 1442374548 771413 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well ... notation will be available
< 1442374560 506117 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though the pattern recognition component will be hard
< 1442374576 606743 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't just do 1, 2, 3... = N
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< 1442374597 43935 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The duals are definitely an awesome feature to have.
< 1442374601 425137 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because what about 1, 1/2, 1/4, 1/8...
< 1442374603 879680 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep
< 1442374613 611657 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :DUAL SURREAL QUATERNIONS
< 1442374625 594547 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Better than dual mini uzies
< 1442374641 53649 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and means you can do automatic differentiation!)
< 1442374665 842194 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Nopfunge14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44224&oldid=44223 5* 0369.165.212.148 5* (+151) 10Some more cosmetic edits
< 1442374669 784184 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION doesn't understand differentiation!
< 1442374674 756854 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is still in high school!
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< 1442374692 480380 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But what should the symbol for the nilpotent be?
< 1442374709 249750 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It can't be ε because typing
< 1442374724 35786 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, because ε is the infinitesi- oooooooh
< 1442374728 781204 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was surprised to discover that "is dual to" isn't a symmetric relationship.
< 1442374742 855039 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ε**2=0, doesn't it?
< 1442374744 204785 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :f(a + b \varepsilon) = f(a) + b f'(a) \varepsilon
< 1442374747 848338 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a great property.
< 1442374776 706844 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in this context, ε is the infinitesimal)
< 1442374785 110262 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :EVERYTHING MAKES SENSE NOW
< 1442374790 221467 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I HAVE BEEN ENIGHTENED
< 1442374793 386627 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ET CETERA
< 1442374830 569290 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, ε**2 /does/ equal zero, right?
< 1442374837 643014 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or is ε**2 still ε?
< 1442374902 939155 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Better than explicit dual numbers is this thing where you don't have any numbers d such that d^2 = 0, but you do have a set D = {x | x <- R, x^2 = 0} and you universally quantify over D.
< 1442374927 358019 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh/
< 1442374935 277198 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let me try to remember how set notation works
< 1442374951 82156 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So that's equivalent to the pseudopythonic...
< 1442374952 774977 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think http://math.andrej.com/2008/08/13/intuitionistic-mathematics-for-physics/ might be the thing I'm talking about.
< 1442374968 748390 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Buh, buh, but D = {}
< 1442374975 265376 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :set(*[x for x in AllRealNumbers if x**2==0]), correct
< 1442374978 30604 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1442374980 238930 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: D contains 0, at leat.
< 1442375003 628957 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Ah, duh, of course it does.
< 1442375015 607381 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the thing is that it might contain other things.
< 1442375026 927299 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So is the infinitesimal a nilpotent or not?
< 1442375052 223556 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: I would say it is *analogous to* the nilpotent.
< 1442375058 942522 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah
< 1442375065 644346 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the closest I'd get without some heavy proofing.
< 1442375069 649558 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are all sorts of infinitesimals.
< 1442375077 348586 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So the surreal numbers include the dual numbers?
< 1442375154 539524 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This isn't going to be a mathematical engine so much as a convoluted blob of everything I know about math or can find out about math molded into one, monolithic structure
< 1442375174 314521 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example, surreal quaternion matrices will be a thing.
< 1442375191 702991 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which, I suppose, they technically are
< 1442375221 456939 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not well studied, but that sounds like a genuinely trivial thing to construct at least.
< 1442375264 168141 :mauris!~mauris@2601:58a:101:2cc0:3928:79a7:bbc7:cc19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"where you don't have any numbers d such that d^2 = 0" -- what about d=0?
< 1442375265 349708 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: They will support Kleene Algebra
< 1442375289 117424 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mauris: 0**2=i
< 1442375304 362371 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mauris: You can't explicitly name any nonzero numbers d such that d^2 = 0.
< 1442375317 670876 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are some articles about it that I'm thinking of that I can't find right now.
< 1442375327 644805 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Nonzero" is an important property there.
< 1442375329 633784 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But anyway you gotta do it in a topos or something.
< 1442375364 90066 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I include the Notta Numbers?
< 1442375364 470766 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the thing about it is that as long as you can prove your thing works with *all* d with that property, you can divide by d.
< 1442375371 851095 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD
< 1442375372 102332 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even if the only d you ever actually deal with is 0.
< 1442375375 55512 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or something like that?
< 1442375421 604489 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Nopfunge14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44225&oldid=44224 5* 0369.165.212.148 5* (+358) 10Some more tidying up
< 1442375425 40237 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seriously
< 1442375427 852897 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Notta Numbers
< 1442375450 58954 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ζ=1/0
< 1442375456 365012 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where ζ is the Notta Constant
< 1442375467 472182 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD
< 1442375478 958940 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am genuinely surprised that is not a thing
< 1442375549 75072 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Notta Sums are of the form a+bζ
< 1442376085 670548 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Nopfunge14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44226&oldid=44225 5* 0369.165.212.148 5* (+27) 10A little more editing
< 1442376146 781338 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442376159 584472 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok this time I've created a monster :3
< 1442376214 476331 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's befunge, except the program on the right side of ; is repeated an infinite number of copies
< 1442376235 395659 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(horizontally)
< 1442376249 118600 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and everything below = is repeated an infinite number of copies (vertically)
< 1442376289 834604 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and it has no operations except for ^ v < > and space
< 1442376296 673349 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Nopfunge
< 1442376357 413332 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it is turing complete :D
< 1442376992 381776 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm back! Since I left, I've been writing a program to calculate that hpoids are of the form...
< 1442376993 193462 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a+bi+cω+dε+eζ+fωi+gεi+hiζ+iεω+jωζ+kεζ+lεωi+mωiζ+nεiζ+oεωζ+pεωiζ
< 1442377062 941898 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: We noticed you editing it
< 1442377076 385866 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh... right :o
< 1442377077 308357 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :LD
< 1442377078 461106 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1442377110 545443 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you impressed by the new kind of number I made up?
< 1442377144 240137 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shit
< 1442377148 275882 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It probably messed up with i
< 1442377155 904705 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I don't really get what they are for
< 1442377169 314841 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's basically a generalization of complex surreal numbers
< 1442377171 678177 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It includes:
< 1442377188 158383 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :- The real numbers (any constant)
< 1442377197 558166 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :- The imaginaries (anything with i)
< 1442377210 28279 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :- The infinites (anything with gamma)
< 1442377225 630827 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :- The infinitesimals (anything with epsilon)
< 1442377232 469349 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :- The Notta Numbers (anything with zeta)
< 1442377266 446366 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, the dual numbers, which use the nilpotent/infinitesimal times a real number added to a real number
< 1442377289 787519 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :o
< 1442377330 380084 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Curious about the Notta Numbers?
< 1442377338 911183 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I'm not familiar with surreal and etc
< 1442377353 842105 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and notta which doesn't seem to return anything on the goog
< 1442377375 116340 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The surreal numbers are a set of number generalized to include infinities and infinitesimals
< 1442377388 237841 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surreal_number
< 1442377394 224200 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That page has a nice diagram on it for you
< 1442377402 512657 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you could add in quaternions too
< 1442377408 515091 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Complex you hopefully understand
< 1442377409 860984 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO
< 1442377422 628904 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Notta Numbers are a thing I made up
< 1442377431 147172 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Read it out loud
< 1442377443 979280 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the o makes the ah sound)
< 1442377466 350560 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Notta constant, ζ, is equal to 1/0
< 1442377488 988727 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A notta number is a real number times the notta constant, xζ, and is equal to x/0
< 1442377500 486639 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :0ζ is equal to All Real Numbers
< 1442377527 358946 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A Notta Sum is analagous to complex numbers, a+bζ
< 1442377532 10250 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In mathspeak:
< 1442377537 43492 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ζ=1/0
< 1442377543 780666 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :aζ=a/0
< 1442377551 255804 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :0ζ=R
< 1442377581 968368 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Notta Sums can't be represented any better than just the formula a+bζ in mathspeak
< 1442377758 597580 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
< 1442378094 797316 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's gonna take some time to understand surreals
< 1442378123 977541 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :unlike complex numbers it's not really something with an application in my field
< 1442378142 48051 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah
< 1442378155 546708 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it really _has_ an application in _any_ field
< 1442378160 877673 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except topology...
< 1442378164 908697 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weirdos...
< 1442378170 111645 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh :3
< 1442378247 819190 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I write a python library to represent the Uber Numbers?
< 1442378328 220140 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I will
< 1442378374 548208 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :PRESSING QUESTION 1: Are the Infinities and Infinitesimals their own axis, like the Imaginaries, or a generalization of the Reals?
< 1442378383 330382 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really don't know
< 1442378396 478191 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably a new axis, but I'm not 100% sure
< 1442378428 561569 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I'm bringing in you. Your sage advice may just be useful in this situation
< 1442378440 741337 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :infinitesimals I consider are evil
< 1442378467 444863 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ω*ε==1, correct?
< 1442378472 185330 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :My advice is being more concise.
< 1442378485 340717 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :simply because on x86 if you have a calculation that gives infinitesimals it slows to a crawl because some idiot thought handling underflows in an interrupt was a good idea
< 1442378500 515700 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ouch
< 1442378507 585100 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What, do you write compilers or something?
< 1442378515 939859 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sound processing
< 1442378544 39002 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : Ah
< 1442378547 621774 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah
< 1442378551 223477 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : Ah
< 1442378552 676036 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : Ah
< 1442378556 922428 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : Ah
< 1442378559 347466 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :stuff like mem += (input - mem) * param;
< 1442378564 238094 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :happens often
< 1442378566 132960 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, couldn't resist
< 1442378566 907388 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah
< 1442378579 987104 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if input is zero, mem falls exponentially
< 1442378599 353750 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Careful, don't reveal corporate secrets ;)
< 1442378599 839966 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :eventually it gives out very small but nonzero numbers
< 1442378611 769928 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very small but nonzero?
< 1442378630 110741 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :under 2 ^ -127
< 1442378664 996466 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pfft
< 1442378667 746382 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's nothing
< 1442378667 926225 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is when the cpu starts generating so called "denormal" numbers
< 1442378673 529232 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ans slows to a crawl
< 1442378677 821905 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I say infinitesimal, I'm talking 1/∞
< 1442378697 79949 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be nothing if it didn't take 100x more cpu
< 1442378726 642226 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denormal_number
< 1442378808 620495 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :computations involving floating point infinity or NAN are also horrible
< 1442378841 221121 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I understand that those were introduced for engineers but their performance is so poor that they're unusable
< 1442378907 595158 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I still don't know whether to represent infinity and infinitesimal on their own axis or as an extension of the real axis
< 1442378941 265343 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure of what they even are tbh
< 1442378948 677616 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net
< 1442378949 130531 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Their own doesn't sound right because then abs(x) where x is an uber with a value for infinity will be finite
< 1442379043 569906 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there should be a function giving the non-infinitesimal part of x
< 1442379054 666370 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But extension doesn't sound right either because of a+bω+cε+dεω
< 1442379063 612546 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a function giving thr infinite part of x
< 1442379068 373338 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which couldn't be represented property
< 1442379104 909522 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dεω = d
< 1442379121 29972 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh right xD
< 1442379228 345286 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :however dε² ≠ dε
< 1442379266 874343 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh
< 1442379273 38612 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hence there is infinitesimal, and infintesimesimal, etc.
< 1442379274 560578 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you'd need a whole array
< 1442379293 940570 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: I'm using python, so I'll either uses a class or a map (in a class) xD
< 1442379296 87075 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :for epsilon, epsilon^2, epsilon^3, epsilon^4 etc
< 1442379303 714272 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1442379333 142610 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should read about the formalization of calculus on the Hyperreals
< 1442379344 448256 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hyperreals are scow.
< 1442379352 484803 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is an alternative to the use of limits
< 1442379354 583235 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That other thing I talked about is where it's at.
< 1442379359 683431 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren_: So should infinity be on a different axis or an extension of the reals? If it's an extension, the sum of a finite number and a non-finite number won't work unless I do sometheing weird
< 1442379379 470798 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You use hyperreals, and then you take the real part of your hyperreal ratio anyway.
< 1442379380 819723 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is a different axis
< 1442379389 611674 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So what have you gained over limits? Like, nothing, man.
< 1442379403 916795 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Synthetic differential geometry, or smooth infinitesimal analysis, or whatever it is, is where it's at.
< 1442379419 517304 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: you've gained the ability to talk like Leibniz
< 1442379422 727501 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fwiw
< 1442379439 54635 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does Leibniz talk?
< 1442379449 904339 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he uses infinitesimals
< 1442379453 755914 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dy/dx
< 1442379500 802858 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren_: And if I do the separate axis, abs(3+4ω)=5
< 1442379505 972848 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that doesn't seem right
< 1442379512 627729 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems like it should be 3+4ω
< 1442379529 168268 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :abs doesn't collapse all the axes
< 1442379558 571645 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need to heve different functions to collapse different axes. for example st()
< 1442379573 980057 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ironically, function smoothness seems to be related to turing completeness
< 1442379609 464035 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like turing complete -> function is recursive -> function is non smooth
< 1442379613 60085 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren_: It does for complex numbers...
< 1442379626 176091 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :st() is defines such that st(a + bε + cε²) = a
< 1442379652 834172 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You've lost me
< 1442379656 351120 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: right but not for hyperreals or in this case i guess hypercomplexes
< 1442379664 836518 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh
< 1442379677 557099 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: st() gives the non-infinitesimal part
< 1442379694 893007 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, what's ²? Is that... superscript epsilon?
< 1442379703 365230 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to need help with this xD
< 1442379714 295541 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it is superscript 2
< 1442379732 662013 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my point is, all the epsilon parts of st(x) are removed
< 1442379745 357160 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah?
< 1442379793 527815 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1442379799 563231 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperreal_number
< 1442379807 696216 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not doing hyperreals
< 1442379810 196074 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or am I?
< 1442379821 372112 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are
< 1442379827 718309 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weird
< 1442379837 641878 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are doing hypercomplexes
< 1442379852 520986 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interesting
< 1442379866 825115 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even if it's the superreals instead of the complexes?
< 1442379913 695422 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well
< 1442379927 848144 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm now writing the most mathematically strange python library ever
< 1442380020 913409 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bitwise functions are going to be a pain
< 1442380032 79709 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How the hell does that even work?
< 1442380046 9895 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is bitwise complex numbers a thing?
< 1442380050 956953 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If so, how does _that_ work?
< 1442380161 356471 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should probably exclude the Notta numbers because that's just made up bullshit
< 1442381411 730654 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the question isn't "are they bullshit", the question is more like "are they coherent"
< 1442381458 919492 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Notta numbers?
< 1442381632 449053 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, bitwise complex numbers would work like any other bitwise operation on a rotation value.
< 1442381779 732199 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Notta numbers are descibed further up.
< 1442381809 368067 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :[23:50] the Notta Numbers
< 1442381809 548349 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :[23:50] ζ=1/0
< 1442381809 548443 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :[23:50] Where ζ is the Notta Constant
< 1442381809 548472 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :[23:51] xD
< 1442381809 548504 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :[23:51] I am genuinely surprised that is not a thing
< 1442381809 548531 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :[23:52] Notta Sums are of the form a+bζ
< 1442381859 217820 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I pesonally prefer the idea of the number circle more, but won't condem other systems.
< 1442381993 343598 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :number circle?
< 1442382032 486333 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A circle of infinite radius is a line, so the reverse also hold true.
< 1442382069 761610 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :When graphing numbers, each axis is a line, and thus a circle of infinite radius.
< 1442382071 690750 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah
< 1442382077 354559 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-76-149.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1442382097 902687 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So if 0 is at 0 degrees on that circle, 1 is at 90 degrees.
< 1442382108 791577 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interesting
< 1442382109 432136 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude, and inf=-inf?
< 1442382119 301492 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes
< 1442382139 993572 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/0 * -1/-1 = -1/0
< 1442382157 350511 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/x would converge at the opposite side of the circle at 0.
< 1442382157 568103 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/0 * 1 = -1/0
< 1442382182 6143 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :With the 2d graph being an infinite torus.
< 1442382225 16571 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And where does ati, defined such that |ati| = -1, fit into this?
< 1442382240 671310 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I really attempted that at one point)
< 1442382258 832012 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't ehard of ai?
< 1442382266 380130 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made it up when I was young
< 1442382311 381909 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ is probably a good enough abbreviation
< 1442382317 697827 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or @i, not sure which
< 1442382331 874965 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe ai
< 1442382332 446884 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It sounds interesting, but I'm not sure how to visualise it well.
< 1442382384 154305 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wouild |-ati| also equal -1 or is it trickier than that?
< 1442382404 785655 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember
< 1442382427 677394 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does |a||b| = |ab| generally hold without ati?
< 1442382451 771895 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I struggled more with addition than multiplication. This was a long time ago though
< 1442382480 610264 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it would?
< 1442382518 584670 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since sign is basically treated separately from other aspects of multiplying.
< 1442382547 405026 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just a matter of wether an odd or even number of the number being multiplied are negative.
< 1442382549 575319 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If |a| + |b| >= |a + b|, then |a| - 1 >= |a + @|
< 1442382680 98442 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does anyone here want to help me write a story reminiscent of Flatland based on http://xkcd.com/839/
< 1442382705 357369 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1442382707 791425 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :|@| + |-@| = -1 + -1 = -2; |@ + -@| <= -2?
< 1442382712 392651 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!!
< 1442382713 338702 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :How exciting!
< 1442382796 181995 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooooh
< 1442382804 714608 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ is now my favorite number :)
< 1442382807 674982 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude, help?
< 1442382824 270464 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No one?
< 1442382829 661172 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://xkcd.com/839/ people. http://xkcd.com/839/.
< 1442382838 155413 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :We could say that that above rule is bad or that |-@| isn't -1, I think
< 1442382866 324380 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :|-@| is most certainly 1
< 1442382910 990084 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That means giving up a nice multiplication rule though, I feel intuitively that the addition one was more questionable
< 1442382913 941482 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: I decided to check if you made it up
< 1442382926 949760 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I DDGed "|x|=-1 !wa"
< 1442382934 977721 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wolfram Alpha gave me this:
< 1442382941 258171 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Alternative form: False"
< 1442382963 711980 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1442382980 952135 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So no one wants to help me write an xkcd 839 full story? :,(
< 1442382987 362634 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am off to the sleep world.
< 1442382993 943906 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's nearly 2AM.
< 1442382995 192619 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], that xkcd reminded me of b
< 1442383000 270061 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDream
< 1442383004 796736 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of what?
< 1442383038 851411 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :B
< 1442383046 864503 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :B nomic
< 1442383047 89304 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure what "b" or "B" is
< 1442383049 366631 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But OK
< 1442383078 264789 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was a grid once, and objects place around the grid, including a valuable one far away where it would take a lot of time and resources to reach
< 1442383096 331900 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except none of that happened because nothing had happened for years
< 1442383108 309409 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :We only thought that that stuff happened
< 1442383130 76508 :MDream!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :10/10 art film concept
< 1442383178 635211 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh
< 1442383184 962906 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nomic looks like a cool game
< 1442383669 112555 :bender|!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442383697 915912 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi, bender|!
< 1442383710 159483 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm making a story based on xkcd 839!
< 1442383792 344042 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would you like to help?
< 1442383831 571970 :sc00fy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442383924 342704 :zadock!~outsider@81.180.210.221 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442383947 100056 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bender|
< 1442383952 136452 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You on?
< 1442383978 190930 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :|@||@| = |@@|?
< 1442384011 301610 :zadock!~outsider@81.180.210.221 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1442384233 959889 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :|x| = @?
< 1442384343 300695 :yiyus!~124271242@je.je.je QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1442384379 43818 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: What's @**2?
< 1442384383 742888 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@!?
< 1442384403 403801 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think @! needs to be well defined
< 1442384407 962112 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does
< 1442384409 627716 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait
< 1442384412 84843 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's @
< 1442384413 283398 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Duh
< 1442384430 115579 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION would be cautious about saying duh about any of this
< 1442384440 986975 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is
< 1442384446 806007 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@=1@
< 1442384449 966839 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :1!=1
< 1442384483 88586 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :5=1*5; 1!=1
< 1442384558 636665 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, right
< 1442384560 657881 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOWEVER
< 1442384565 748187 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ is the Fake Unit
< 1442384612 219922 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm calling them the fake numbers because fake is the opposite of real, and |x| when x (- R is always positive, and |@x| when x (- r is always negative)
< 1442384621 41667 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD
< 1442384655 692339 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's by analogy to i!=i
< 1442384657 523483 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume
< 1442384687 714588 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait
< 1442384688 669250 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=i+factorial
< 1442384695 401289 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No it isn't
< 1442384696 164197 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD
< 1442384701 537728 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :WTF is going on there!?
< 1442384721 534622 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.49801566811835604271369111746219809195296296758765009289264... -
< 1442384721 712468 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.15494982830181068512495513048388660519587965207932493026588... i
< 1442384740 945432 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to guess gamma or zeta function shenanigan
< 1442384741 535091 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s
< 1442384800 629612 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zeta function?
< 1442384805 847858 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never heard of that one...
< 1442384820 125585 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heard of the Gamma Function and the Pi Function, of course
< 1442384850 595893 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So what kinds of units are there?
< 1442384856 179025 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :1: The Unit
< 1442384857 630913 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gamma function. I didn't rememeber whether extension of factorial was gamma or zeta. Apparently a zeta function does exist.
< 1442384863 739848 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :-1: The inverse unit
< 1442384883 16653 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gamma: The INFINIE unit
< 1442384895 372704 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Epsilon: The infinitessimal unit
< 1442384943 382430 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zeta: The Notta Constant/unit
< 1442384949 399732 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i: The imaginary unit
< 1442384954 845272 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@: the fake unit
< 1442384974 701589 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :6 axes
< 1442384993 544497 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Take THAT, klein!
< 1442385025 91942 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :.......
< 1442385058 10256 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ is the time unit. Doesn't distance in relativity work something like x^2 + y^2 + z^2 - t^2? Almost like t is a negative distance?
< 1442385105 346904 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Define || such that |a+b@| = sqrt(a^2 - b^2). What happens?
< 1442385109 162296 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interesting...
< 1442385114 488785 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, that doesn't work if we allow imaginaries
< 1442385142 313778 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder
< 1442385146 224213 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it could still be interesting to play with
< 1442385168 164407 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :|1+@| = 0
< 1442385171 674302 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many units do we need such that any algebraic expression is satisfiable WITHOUT just a "It doesn't work" unit?
< 1442385176 805701 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Infinity
< 1442385179 662609 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm calling it
< 1442385241 842339 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I... think this shows that @ can be defined to have consistent rules, since that is a sensible function, and for reals that function matches absolute value
< 1442385284 438374 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whelp
< 1442385288 56230 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Congratulations
< 1442385295 146533 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You've invented a new branch of mathematics!
< 1442385303 885513 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now you need to choose a greek letter for @!
< 1442385323 684309 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or a normal letter
< 1442385334 356964 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a with a dot over the tail
< 1442385337 362461 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or an astrological sign. That works too
< 1442385348 171419 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Add it to unicode people
< 1442385369 484631 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's... evil.
< 1442385426 193860 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bender|: Hellooo?
< 1442385430 699131 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait my function's totally broken
< 1442385437 163697 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How so?
< 1442385475 353667 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :|@| = sqrt(- 1^2) = i
< 1442385494 385484 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it because it means @=-1?
< 1442385528 447039 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sqrt actually naturally gives +- results
< 1442385537 669289 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the function is defined to ignore the negative
< 1442385544 514555 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course
< 1442385553 749290 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait
< 1442385564 34715 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought |@| was defined to be -1
< 1442385591 406088 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :|x|=i is still defined to be False
< 1442385591 849506 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is, but sqrt(a^2 - b^2) doesn't work as a definition of |a+b@| if we want |@| to = -1
< 1442385601 475545 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah
< 1442385627 813148 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it's just the @plex numbers that are messed up currently?
< 1442385644 419079 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The c@mplex numbers?
< 1442385648 72554 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well we could just define |a+b@| = |a| - |b| if we want to do things the obvious way
< 1442385700 169947 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :THe obvious thing to do from there is put some @ into a and b and see what breaks
< 1442385729 898944 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :|@ + @| = |@| - |@| = 0
< 1442385735 754867 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is, uh
< 1442385773 293264 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it... reasonable to exclude @-numbers from a and b? I can't tell, but I'm guessing not
< 1442385842 12702 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait I'm dumb |@ + @| = |@| - 1 = -1 - 1 = -2
< 1442385892 792050 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's @**2 though?
< 1442385915 976439 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :|@@| = -|@| = 1
< 1442385922 797805 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems reasonable to me
< 1442385960 779570 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1442385974 81362 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm making a document listing all the units
< 1442386012 380923 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think unlike the prior function this one might still be breakable, because it's basically defined recursively
< 1442386095 564413 :sc00fy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
< 1442386099 979024 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still want to write a story about xkcd 839...
< 1442386255 222023 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0ByRvNdqqy3GPMWRTU3R6ZXJyZm8&usp=sharing
< 1442386351 817060 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: We can document @ and other units there
< 1442386471 817010 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :|#|=i
< 1442386529 993930 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_?
< 1442386588 906811 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it's possible with the current definition, you can only get real numbers. Could try some other shenanigans to get imaginary, but right now want sleep
< 1442386600 581015 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know xD
< 1442386601 374296 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1442386616 849390 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :|$|=@
< 1442386629 280686 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :find sqrt($)
< 1442386632 248825 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD
< 1442387486 108100 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.190.253.145 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442387763 989400 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi, AnotherTest!
< 1442388007 545044 :hppavilion[1]!~YOURMUM@133-171-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Quit: WALRUS MAAAAAAAAAAAAN
< 1442388389 748052 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442388938 158064 :olsner_!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se NICK :olsner
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< 1442393369 612474 :Kozmo!~Kozmo@86.104.31.121 NICK :theprobist69420
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< 1442393904 593280 :Kozmo!~Kozmo@86.104.31.121 NICK :theprobist69420
< 1442394033 914647 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
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< 1442394622 612162 :theprobist69420!~theprobis@86.104.31.121 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442395811 893292 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is today's xkcd supposed to be a reference to that infamous D&D monster that looks like a rabbit on a tree stump?
< 1442395880 816816 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't get today's xkcd at all
< 1442396352 346795 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I like Nopfunge
< 1442396390 750006 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I'll impl it later
< 1442396903 74269 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442396976 374257 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1442397265 342402 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442398234 455993 :oerjan_!oerjan@129.241.210.46 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442398255 155647 :oerjan_!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ping
< 1442398255 333895 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong
< 1442398301 391534 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oren_ oh right. x^x = 1 when x = 1, and x^x is a smooth function. hence (1/x)^(1/x) approaches 1 as x -> +oo <-- your conclusion is right but your argument is wrong hth
< 1442398301 569517 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ping
< 1442398301 569605 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^help
< 1442398301 569628 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ping
< 1442398301 569647 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION thinks he's splat
< 1442398301 569667 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help
< 1442398301 570091 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1442398301 570142 :zemhill!bfjoust@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I do !zjoust; see http://zem.fi/bfjoust/ for more information.
< 1442398301 570162 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :That Pong alone cannot stop!
< 1442398301 570183 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Changing server
< 1442398301 570201 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ ; ^def ; ^show [command]; lang=bf/ul, code=text/str:N; ^str 0-9 get/set/add [text]; ^style [style]; ^bool
< 1442398301 570220 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong
< 1442398302 217431 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :help: General commands: !help, !info, !bf_txtgen. See also !help languages, !help userinterps. You can get help on some commands by typing !help .
< 1442398312 781797 :oerjan_!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmph
< 1442398320 107040 :oerjan_!oerjan@129.241.210.46 NICK :oerjan
< 1442398376 164794 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice to see all your messages twice...
< 1442398825 402271 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm.
< 1442398830 891802 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@botsnack
< 1442398831 81175 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1442398835 310773 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1
< 1442398836 706547 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1
< 1442398861 653239 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :odd.
< 1442398875 116602 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: it was just my original server being lagged
< 1442398891 107010 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i reconnected
< 1442398917 428310 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, I didn't check the timestamps. thanks.
< 1442398951 863392 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/your/my/
< 1442399685 975516 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442399701 651986 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bood morningly
< 1442399713 222929 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, close to
< 1442399896 954000 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Quit: BBL
< 1442400029 352760 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oren_ Protip: logarithms
< 1442400029 534926 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1442400129 788778 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've somehow got 3 log tabs open. although 2 are of the same date.
< 1442400136 330270 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442400156 669562 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(no, they're not redundant.)
< 1442400284 813681 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oren_ oh missed your correction. i still think that's circular, though.
< 1442400284 991957 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1442400375 991955 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bon matœrjan!
< 1442400660 549893 :theprobist69420!~theprobis@86.104.31.121 QUIT :Quit: Brb, i will probe someone.
< 1442400701 679819 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds probable
< 1442400768 840728 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sound reasoning.
< 1442400785 629254 :theprobist69420!~theprobis@86.104.31.121 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442401314 536423 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell hppavilion[1] MWAHAHAHAHA I HAVE RUINED MILLIONS OF PAST TEXTS EVERYWHERE <-- /g doesn't actually make much of a difference there hth
< 1442401314 714103 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1442401379 109195 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
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< 1442404889 480221 :theprobist69420!~theprobis@86.104.31.121 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1442404910 936658 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`culprits wisdom/toe
< 1442404912 367158 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1] hppavilion[1] hppavilion[1] hppavilion[1] hppavilion[1]
< 1442404921 91768 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? toe
< 1442404922 34338 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Toe of Harriness's Enclosure
< 1442404929 114221 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rm wisdom/toe
< 1442404930 984722 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1442404936 902097 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? the
< 1442404937 848801 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Toe of Harriness's Enclosure
< 1442405118 680980 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? b
< 1442405119 711300 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :B is, in fact, a village in norway
< 1442405149 246006 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn B is _not_ a village in Norway, unless you're even worse than the BBC and drop accented letters altogether.
< 1442405151 128738 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'b': B is _not_ a village in Norway, unless you're even worse than the BBC and drop accented letters altogether.
< 1442405160 356700 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? Å
< 1442405161 455656 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Å _is_ a village in Norway, unless you're the BBC and don't understand things on top of letters.
< 1442405298 434373 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn B is _not_ a village in Norway, unless you're even worse than the BBC and drop letters with things on top of them altogether.
< 1442405300 620587 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'b': B is _not_ a village in Norway, unless you're even worse than the BBC and drop letters with things on top of them altogether.
< 1442405337 225252 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm wait
< 1442405393 971867 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn B is _not_ a village in Norway, unless you're even worse than the BBC and drop strange letters altogether.
< 1442405395 892271 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'b': B is _not_ a village in Norway, unless you're even worse than the BBC and drop strange letters altogether.
< 1442405455 290460 :theprobist69420!~theprobis@86.104.31.121 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442405780 786234 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Bø is not just one, but _two_ municipalities in Norway. And not just three, but at least _four_ farms. Ah ah ah!
< 1442405783 1964 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'bø': Bø is not just one, but _two_ municipalities in Norway. And not just three, but at least _four_ farms. Ah ah ah!
< 1442405983 970363 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? Ii
< 1442405984 646070 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ii? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1442405995 505831 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Ii is a muncipality in Finland, no matter what you do.
< 1442405997 264991 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'ii': Ii is a muncipality in Finland, no matter what you do.
< 1442405997 908047 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ¢
< 1442405998 586383 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :¢? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1442406014 526415 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Poland has a place called Hel
< 1442406019 493601 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i -e 's/munc/munic/' wisdom/ii
< 1442406022 893203 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1442406050 264778 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Norway has a place called Hell hth
< 1442406058 43598 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn_append ii Except for speaking Swedish.
< 1442406060 94861 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'ii': Ii is a municipality in Finland, no matter what you do. Except for speaking Swedish.
< 1442406067 784878 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's "Ijo" in Swedish.)
< 1442406097 565273 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Is it very bright there?
< 1442406099 139920 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Bø is not just one, but _two_ municipalities in Norway. And not just three, but at least _four_ farms. Ah ah ah ah ah!
< 1442406101 990228 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'bø': Bø is not just one, but _two_ municipalities in Norway. And not just three, but at least _four_ farms. Ah ah ah ah ah!
< 1442406110 982906 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Their "you're entering Ii" road sign looks like a pause button: https://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ii#/media/File:Roadsign_of_Ii_municipality_Finland.jpg
< 1442406124 615959 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: not that i know of
< 1442406157 729600 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is a place in Austria called Fucking
< 1442406166 267270 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know.
< 1442406179 870608 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is a place in Australia called Sydney
< 1442406219 935672 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: What about Oberfucking and Unterfucking?
< 1442406288 609711 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do not remember
< 1442406310 6924 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are apparently at least four places called Å
< 1442406317 529400 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1442406326 452648 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tricky business
< 1442406335 346258 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds
< 1442406345 114074 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :England has Shitterton
< 1442406426 717076 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In 2010, the inhabitants banded together to purchase a 1.5-ton block of Purbeck Stone to place at the entrance to Shitterton, carved with the hamlet's name." That's one solution to having your sign stolen
< 1442406440 852302 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? y
< 1442406442 199431 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :y? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1442406477 634643 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Y is a commune in France. There's nothing funny about this.
< 1442406480 134549 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'y': Y is a commune in France. There's nothing funny about this.
< 1442406497 492361 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is also a Y in Alaska
< 1442406513 523348 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :curses
< 1442406586 936947 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn L is far too short to be a village in Wales.
< 1442406587 758168 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :ncurses
< 1442406589 90252 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'l': L is far too short to be a village in Wales.
< 1442406595 414785 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`culprits l
< 1442406596 732931 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1442406600 201476 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Canada has London
< 1442406603 312985 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`culprits wisdom/l
< 1442406604 968745 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan
< 1442406610 392004 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know
< 1442406611 874238 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`culprits .
< 1442406614 527359 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan oerjan oerjan fizzie fizzie fizzie oerjan oerjan oerjan oerjan oerjan hppavilion[1] hppavilion[1] hppavilion[1] oren_ hppavilion[1] hppavilion[1] oren_ hppavilion[1] oren_ hppavilion[1] hppavilion[1] Phantom__Hoover hppavilion[1] oerjan tswett tswett tswett oerjan tswett tswett tswett tswett oerjan b_jonas
< 1442406619 494457 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oops
< 1442406633 726284 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that _might_ be incomplete hth
< 1442406647 388210 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`culprits /
< 1442406648 231011 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :abort: / not under root
< 1442406912 139112 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"root not under root", when read aloud.
< 1442406952 510196 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? wisdome
< 1442406953 293015 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The place where all of HackBot's wisdom is stored and forced to fight to the death for the freedom of being printed out when you type `wisdom
< 1442406966 426712 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442406970 273171 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` sed -i 's/The/The Wisdome is the/' wisdom/wisdome
< 1442406972 24430 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1442406974 959495 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? wisdome
< 1442406975 841526 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Wisdome is the place where all of HackBot's wisdom is stored and forced to fight to the death for the freedom of being printed out when you type `wisdom
< 1442407009 977657 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` sed -i 's/$/./' wisdom/wisdome
< 1442407011 961508 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1442407059 385528 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is the kind of inattention to detail that leads to all software being crap hth
< 1442407270 837588 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Now I'm tempted to write a HackBot fanfic about the Wisdome <-- someone has even more too much free time than i do
< 1442407381 662000 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ln -s / root
< 1442407384 129273 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1442407391 242235 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls root
< 1442407392 41300 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin \ dev \ etc \ hackenv \ home \ lib \ lib64 \ opt \ proc \ sbin \ sys \ tmp \ usr
< 1442407398 178068 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well
< 1442407402 972334 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell boily and here I was thinking that int-e was oerjan's good twin. or at least the less evil one. <-- i'm just so evil i need two good twins hth
< 1442407403 169577 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1442407414 373456 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems that message is just specific to culprits
< 1442407416 191780 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls /
< 1442407416 811235 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin \ dev \ etc \ hackenv \ home \ lib \ lib64 \ opt \ proc \ sbin \ sys \ tmp \ usr
< 1442407421 162526 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rm root
< 1442407422 690536 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1442407434 666351 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: i think it's a message from hg
< 1442407442 805668 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/culprits
< 1442407443 425943 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hg log --removed "$1" | grep summary: | awk '{print substr($2,2,length($2)-2)}' | sed "s/.$/\x0F&/" | xargs
< 1442407453 714302 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` hg log /
< 1442407454 584309 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :abort: / not under root
< 1442407683 293071 :mauris!~mauris@2601:58a:101:2cc0:3928:79a7:bbc7:cc19 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1442407767 123445 :bender|!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1442407798 65530 :mauris!~mauris@2601:58a:101:2cc0:3564:4234:89a9:b8c2 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442408099 697452 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Loader14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44227&oldid=44212 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (+1) 10
< 1442408565 185351 :mauris!~mauris@2601:58a:101:2cc0:3564:4234:89a9:b8c2 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1442408647 99231 :bender|!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442408649 400477 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442409396 80538 :mauris!~mauris@2601:58a:101:2cc0:3564:4234:89a9:b8c2 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442409725 990327 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442410473 362202 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-76-149.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1442410978 989441 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1442411601 349301 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-76-149.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442411702 197088 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442412023 268865 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-76-149.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1442412199 91130 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1442412932 128455 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1442413166 356460 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-108-6.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442414388 878971 :aretecode!~aretecode@50.23.131.206-static.reverse.softlayer.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1442414571 823350 :aretecode!~aretecode@69.4.235.219 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442414844 351592 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-108-6.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1442414923 772259 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ping
< 1442414923 950840 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong
< 1442414930 714508 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm
< 1442415005 272136 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-96-154.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442415192 428557 :MDream!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1442415984 389321 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1442416049 528815 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442416172 58220 :Spiritualcreativ!~vero@156.46.69.86.rev.sfr.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442416499 278002 :J_Arcane_!~chatzilla@37-219-36-0.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442416642 353713 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-96-154.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1442416644 878092 :J_Arcane_!~chatzilla@37-219-36-0.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi NICK :J_Arcane
< 1442416675 685358 :Spiritualcreativ!~vero@156.46.69.86.rev.sfr.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :who speak french ?
< 1442416707 941609 :Spiritualcreativ!~vero@156.46.69.86.rev.sfr.net PART :#esoteric
< 1442417800 846970 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`bonjour
< 1442417801 391874 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: bonjour: not found
< 1442417814 497118 :J_Arcane_!~chatzilla@37-219-233-195.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442417833 763867 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`bienvenu
< 1442417834 283914 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: bienvenu: not found
< 1442417913 297960 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-36-0.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1442417914 275472 :J_Arcane_!~chatzilla@37-219-233-195.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi NICK :J_Arcane
< 1442418117 206388 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`benvenu
< 1442418117 872329 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: benvenu: not found
< 1442418123 814931 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmph
< 1442418152 181230 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442418264 168252 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls bin/*nv*
< 1442418264 975551 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin/arienvenido \ bin/benvenuto \ bin/bienvenido
< 1442418275 482229 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :none of those look very french
< 1442418302 314405 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` grep -R venu wisdom
< 1442418303 222000 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom/bienvenue:Bienvenue au centre international pour le design et le déploiement des langages de programmation ésotériques! Pour plus d’informations, visitez le wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (Pour l’autre type d'ésotérisme, essayez #esoteric sur irc.dal.net.) \ Binary file wisdom/reflection matches
< 1442418308 687361 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah there it is
< 1442418329 120772 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? wisdom.fr
< 1442418329 796471 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom.fr? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1442418343 545542 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` mv wisdom/{bienvenue,wisdom.fr}
< 1442418345 693222 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1442418394 589390 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome
< 1442418395 422129 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: . (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.)
< 1442418427 375482 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh
< 1442418431 983317 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? welcome.fr
< 1442418432 658918 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :welcome.fr? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1442418456 743286 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` mv wisdom/{wisdom,welcome}.fr
< 1442418458 548212 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1442418466 691196 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` sed -i 's/irc.dal.net/EFnet ou DALnet/' wisdom/welcome.fr
< 1442418468 266522 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1442418472 974449 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? welcome.fr
< 1442418473 749896 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bienvenue au centre international pour le design et le déploiement des langages de programmation ésotériques! Pour plus d’informations, visitez le wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (Pour l’autre type d'ésotérisme, essayez #esoteric sur EFnet ou DALnet.)
< 1442418481 173585 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/welcome
< 1442418481 875722 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :#!/usr/bin/perl -w \ if (defined($_=shift)) { s/ *$//; s/ +/ @ /g; exec "bin/@", $_ . " ? welcome"; } else { exec "bin/?", "welcome"; }
< 1442418500 238390 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/bienvenido
< 1442418500 844575 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :#!/usr/bin/perl -w \ if (defined($_=shift)) { s/ *$//; s/ +/ @ /g; exec "bin/@", $_ . " ? welcome.es"; } else { exec "bin/?", "welcome.es"; }
< 1442418557 641753 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` cp bin/{bienvenido,bienvenue}; sed -i 's/\.es/.fr/g' bin/bienvenue
< 1442418561 741798 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1442418573 771708 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`bienvenue Jafet
< 1442418574 724175 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: Bienvenue au centre international pour le design et le déploiement des langages de programmation ésotériques! Pour plus d’informations, visitez le wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (Pour l’autre type d'ésotérisme, essayez #esoteric sur EFnet ou DALnet.)
< 1442418796 540147 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ggbxmueaoevvmgcy QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity
< 1442419498 226000 :J_Arcane_!~chatzilla@37-219-205-39.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442419663 631830 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-233-195.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
< 1442419671 263063 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.46 QUIT :Quit: Au revoir
< 1442419672 597799 :J_Arcane_!~chatzilla@37-219-205-39.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi NICK :J_Arcane
< 1442419725 894117 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1442419746 493137 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@c83-253-251-164.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442419746 671563 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@c83-253-251-164.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Changing host
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< 1442420225 932811 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep
< 1442420361 582713 :sc00fy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442420610 601461 :sc00fy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1442420766 74109 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-87.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442420845 122017 :adu!~ajr@static-108-48-76-162.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442421144 48430 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-205-39.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
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< 1442421734 950867 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442421816 371505 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-109-13.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1442421823 357924 :nycs!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442421994 908840 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
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< 1442422582 941512 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442422746 77702 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.190.253.145 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1442423161 406568 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1442425278 940171 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Hexagony14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=44228 5* 03Martin Büttner 5* (+11013) 10Created page with "'''Hexagony''' is a two-dimensional stack-based programming language developed by [[user:Martin Büttner]]. To the best of the author's knowledge it's the first ever 2D langua..."
< 1442425302 33965 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44229&oldid=44196 5* 03Martin Büttner 5* (+15) 10/* H */
< 1442425487 116915 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Martin Büttner14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44230&oldid=43937 5* 03Martin Büttner 5* (+387) 10add Hexagony and Marbelous
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< 1442427060 332935 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Hexagony14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=44231 5* 03Ais523 5* (+595) 10related esolang
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< 1442429624 807611 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-72.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bender|: Hi!
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< 1442436895 179299 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-76.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, IRC!
< 1442436903 165624 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-76.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bender|: *Sigh*
< 1442437149 868646 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1442437283 622435 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-76.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait.
< 1442437301 688537 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-76.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 is /legally allowed/ to leave the channel!?
< 1442437303 160744 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-76.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoa!
< 1442437362 637251 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-76.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to make a useful Thue derivative
< 1442437481 90637 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bad idea
< 1442437568 674699 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], ais leaves quite often...
< 1442437577 295489 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-76.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I was kidding
< 1442437598 913877 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-76.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Isn't that, with "So do it" appended, the Esolangs motto?
< 1442437626 765796 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: no, I mean it's a boring, unesoteric idea
< 1442437664 434300 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-76.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Useful =/= nesoteric
< 1442437684 119687 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], do you mean adding system stuff like file handling to it
< 1442437688 242972 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-76.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/nes/unes/
< 1442437694 218599 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-76.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Exactly
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< 1442437698 906985 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-76.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And cleaning up the grammar a bit
< 1442437723 699308 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-76.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :We need delimeters on strings, people.
< 1442437737 212514 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :that could be interesting but you should try to make it really fit into the language
< 1442437751 139635 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-76.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :a::=~"Hello, World!"
< 1442437751 317313 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-76.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :::=
< 1442437751 317390 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-76.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :a
< 1442437773 985360 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-76.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And libraries, of course
< 1442437776 368971 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't go the lazy way and make it a wrapper on the output or a couple of special patterns
< 1442437789 460716 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-76.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, what?
< 1442437891 988339 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-76.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: ?
< 1442437898 859615 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, how to describe it...
< 1442437927 509954 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :like if you did your file i/o just by writing "open(whatever)" to stdout
< 1442437986 694305 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-76.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I /was/ considering making CATFILE work like:
< 1442438020 743611 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-76.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :walrus
< 1442438024 692570 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-76.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :walrus
< 1442438024 915038 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-76.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :walrus
< 1442438026 224257 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-76.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1442438032 673201 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-76.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Got a newline on my clipboard
< 1442438084 8995 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-76.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :a ::= ~"Hello, world!"
< 1442438084 226129 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-76.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :::=
< 1442438084 226191 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-76.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :readf("a.txt") #a.txt contains the letter "a"
< 1442438099 592186 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-76.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Is that not esoteric enough?
< 1442438198 193488 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-76.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps the ^ operator that behaves like :::?
< 1442438224 642668 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't really mind that at first glance
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< 1442438225 775253 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-76.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :a ::= ~^"Hello.txt"
< 1442438225 955758 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-76.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :::=
< 1442438226 134704 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-76.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :a
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< 1442438237 553651 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-76.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like that one
< 1442438253 695978 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :function notation is a bit alien to thue though so the second one is probably better
< 1442438261 488099 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-76.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ype
< 1442438264 117433 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-76.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Yep
< 1442438270 175894 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-76.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's go with the second one
< 1442438280 918444 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-76.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What should I call this language?
< 1442438335 304206 :nycs!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1442438345 437898 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-76.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tue? (pronounced like "two"?) ( Phantom_Hoover )
< 1442438356 989653 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tube
< 1442438363 223637 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pronounced two-B
< 1442438388 835077 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-76.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thube?
< 1442438479 571168 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Thube14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=44232 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+224) 10Created Page
< 1442438531 44135 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-76.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm calling it Thube for now
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< 1442438579 174853 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-76.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: Internet crash?
< 1442438588 808316 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :evidently
< 1442438620 754784 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-76.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sux
< 1442438628 408210 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1442438632 969042 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-76.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've named the language Thube for now and added it to a wiki page
< 1442438637 908190 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-76.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, to add real content to that page
< 1442438771 456165 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Thube14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44233&oldid=44232 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+106) 10Goals
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< 1442438905 745916 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], i think you should try to address the criticisms of thue here while you're at it: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Thue#Criticisms
< 1442438968 683067 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha wow it's impossible* to write a cat program in thue
< 1442439004 185263 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :*you can do it by transforming every character to its output but that's awful
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< 1442439354 405537 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do think thue would benefit if you could add new rules at runtime
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< 1442439446 579771 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: that is the first time I've ever seen an IRC message with an actual, planned in advance, footnote
< 1442439485 191242 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i started doing that the other day
< 1442439492 362606 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's great, way easier than brackets
< 1442439497 377686 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is a good practise. Keep it up.
< 1442439506 157776 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :practice, taneb
< 1442439507 293964 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :practice
< 1442439516 988493 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forget which is the noun and which is the verb
< 1442439557 783435 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :nouns have a c, verbs have an s
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< 1442439573 186935 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the subject of things I forget sometimes, I'm going to go to sleep now
< 1442439575 935440 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goodnight
< 1442439584 257175 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :dammit man i was going to explain the mnemonic
< 1442439586 132128 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :english is so ugly
< 1442439607 325537 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: @tell me it or something
< 1442439647 978305 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :using @tell would be degrading to my craft
< 1442439748 655915 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: most cat variants (e.g. output in reverse) are probably impossible to do reliably in Thue because you can mimic whatever strings it uses for internal data storage
< 1442439750 79562 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhinito
< 1442439753 394022 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why the hell would you actually do that?
< 1442439780 487092 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, practise/practice
< 1442439785 151537 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the hell
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< 1442439948 979090 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname, say 'advice', then 'advise'
< 1442439965 693419 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure practice and practise had the same distinction but drifted together
< 1442440054 946794 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :still ugly
< 1442440083 815446 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like when you read old verse and you can see the aftermath of the great vowel shift because half the rhymes no longer work
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< 1442441327 881244 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-76.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bender|: bender| bender| bender| bender|
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< 1442442435 792068 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-76.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sigh*
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< 1442443906 11845 :shikhinito!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin
< 1442444150 404096 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hallooooooooo
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< 1442444422 215490 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hippavilion1!
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< 1442446754 797569 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Monkeys14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44234&oldid=40966 5* 03David.werecat 5* (+110) 10Updated interpreter to new open source C interpreter
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< 1442447472 529226 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monkeys looks like a nica language
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< 1442448125 464965 :llue!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu QUIT :Quit: That's what she said
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< 1442449059 514027 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Hexagony14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44235&oldid=44228 5* 03Timwi 5* (+207) 10Example: Hello, World!
< 1442449082 500136 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Hexagony14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44236&oldid=44235 5* 03Timwi 5* (+16) 10
< 1442449311 709833 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Hexagony14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44237&oldid=44236 5* 03Timwi 5* (+1) 10/* Source code */
< 1442449357 847633 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Hexagony14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44238&oldid=44237 5* 03Timwi 5* (-3) 10/* Source code */
< 1442449450 155247 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Hexagony14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44239&oldid=44238 5* 03Timwi 5* (+3) 10/* Control flow */
< 1442449521 75476 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Hexagony14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44240&oldid=44239 5* 03Timwi 5* (+2) 10/* Memory model */
< 1442449900 960112 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Hexagony14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44241&oldid=44240 5* 03Timwi 5* (+84) 10/* Memory model */ Grammar/phrasing
< 1442449926 412616 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu
< 1442450031 826341 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Hexagony14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44242&oldid=44241 5* 03Timwi 5* (+39) 10Backticks are (functionally) stripped too
< 1442450158 258106 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Hexagony14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44243&oldid=44242 5* 03Timwi 5* (+112) 10The ` (backtick) is not a command, but an interpreter feature, so I’m taking the liberty to move it to the bottom
< 1442450208 255118 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Hexagony14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44244&oldid=44243 5* 03Timwi 5* (-1) 10/* Arithmetic */
< 1442450375 411592 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Hexagony14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44245&oldid=44244 5* 03Timwi 5* (+13) 10/* I/O */
< 1442450535 972413 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Hexagony14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44246&oldid=44245 5* 03Timwi 5* (+171) 10/* Control flow */
< 1442450604 769430 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Hexagony14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44247&oldid=44246 5* 03Timwi 5* (+8) 10/* Memory manipulation */
< 1442450621 430675 :heddwch!~heddwch@76.8.3.189 NICK :heddwchele
< 1442450647 507273 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Hexagony14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44248&oldid=44247 5* 03Timwi 5* (+1) 10/* Memory manipulation */
< 1442450707 579707 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Hexagony14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44249&oldid=44248 5* 03Timwi 5* (+6) 10/* External Resources */
< 1442450732 289921 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Hexagony14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44250&oldid=44249 5* 03Timwi 5* (-1) 10
< 1442451207 12072 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've put in (numbered) footnotes with [*1], but I've appended them on the same line, after a double-space.
< 1442451218 765904 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In retrospect, the numbering isn't very useful, because I've only ever had one.
< 1442451742 851752 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :|@^@| = ?
< 1442451804 261594 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :"To the best of the author's knowledge it's the first ever 2D language where the instruction pointer moves on a hexagonal grid."
< 1442451818 576151 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :for god's sake man you're not going to win an award for it
< 1442451907 141591 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't need any award for being the first (as far as I know) to reach MAX_FLOAT in SL
< 1442452327 319191 :MDude!~fyrc@67.235.0.195 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know I saw some art project that looked like an instruction pointer moving along a hexagonal grid, but I'm pretty sure it was taken down.
< 1442452367 300282 :MDude!~fyrc@67.235.0.195 PRIVMSG #esoteric :For some reason the author was frustrated at people thinking it might actually be a nice idea for anything but a simple art demo.
< 1442452539 332942 :Tod-Autojoined2!Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net NICK :TodPunk
< 1442452743 813914 :heddwchele!~heddwch@76.8.3.189 NICK :heddwch
< 1442452938 131010 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442453158 275362 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…
< 1442453165 284802 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1442453178 407861 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442453178 588279 :sammwch!~heddwch@76.8.3.189 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442453179 137509 :bender|!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1442453196 365687 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
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< 1442453199 297232 :heddwch!~heddwch@76.8.3.189 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1442453234 597261 :sammwch!~heddwch@76.8.3.189 NICK :heddwch
< 1442453502 358418 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/s/s/
< 1442453518 295942 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :////
< 1442453526 410748 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops, ///*
< 1442453543 228796 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...wait, wasn't that s/s//
< 1442453549 254765 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or s/s//g
< 1442453549 777648 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was
< 1442453551 153032 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD
< 1442453557 166236 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin
< 1442453580 917624 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was goin to say: "You mean \"s/\/\/\/\//\/\/\//\"?"
< 1442453612 904080 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, I really meant s/s\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\/\\\\//
< 1442453748 553916 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What other things are there besides s/a/b/c notation?
< 1442454160 314617 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442454510 677371 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi, adu!
< 1442454514 557682 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1442454521 221971 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's up?
< 1442454581 36628 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :did I just say hi to a bot?
< 1442454594 770639 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], there are more things on heaven and earth than s/a/b/c notation, if that helps
< 1442454605 679387 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :adu, we're all bots here
< 1442454611 176809 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no
< 1442454650 529448 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: tell adu that he's talking to himself again
< 1442454697 752070 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No you did not xD
< 1442454753 90078 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: But is there, for example, g notation?
< 1442454760 884378 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :g/a/b/c/d/e or something
< 1442454805 571842 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/something/else/g comes from sed so look through docs for that i guess
< 1442454816 100148 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does
< 1442454825 372500 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But would g//// be grep notation or something?
< 1442454830 159139 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What IS grep, anyway?
< 1442454839 798292 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not very good at *nix xD
< 1442454897 390350 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: s/ is so Perl5, you should learn Perl6
< 1442454911 722895 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh
< 1442454918 786181 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perl6 is so much better
< 1442454943 334408 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got a book on perl from the bookstore
< 1442454947 983042 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then realized it's perl 5 xD
< 1442454957 905919 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], well that just comes from ed, which nobody uses any more
< 1442454967 347733 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah
< 1442454971 325529 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :grep is short for g/re/p where re is a regex you want to search for
< 1442454981 931350 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perl6 regexes are impossible to "import" into other languages, because Perl6 regexes are just functions
< 1442455006 753736 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I don't think they're going to be as popular as Perl5 regexes, which are just strings that get compiled
< 1442455158 479349 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perl5: "..." ~~ s/a/b/g
< 1442455160 315321 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perl6: "...".subst(/a/, /b/, :g)
< 1442455257 677319 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :adu: We all happen to be bots. You've accidentally stumbled into the conspiracy. You're now part of it. Can you be trusted?
< 1442455300 518673 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, because a bot would say yes, and I'm trying to be more human, so, no.
< 1442455471 570670 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everybody, we must deal with this as soon as possible. We must turn traffic lights red right before adu reaches them, we must delay adu's emails by up to an entire week, we must periodically create blackouts at adu's living area, we must introduce minute annoyances into adu's life until adu complies.
< 1442455531 299923 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I will comply
< 1442455536 759113 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I can't be trusted
< 1442455602 988961 :Thisbe!~Thisbe@99-148-190-17.lightspeed.renonv.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442456180 116742 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. In which case false alarm.
< 1442456194 708163 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Back to planning a take-over of the world.
< 1442456201 30073 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of many.
< 1442456260 274019 :Thisbe!~Thisbe@99-148-190-17.lightspeed.renonv.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1442456289 707507 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1442456449 483965 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442456632 536872 :mihow!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Quit: mihow
< 1442456872 15815 :mihow!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442457014 452013 :mihow!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Client Quit
< 1442457114 836595 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-092-072-164-084.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Quit: Terminated
< 1442457144 305080 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-092-072-164-084.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442457310 478078 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1442457390 975610 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442458922 2928 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plan! ꜠꜡ꜢꜣꜤꜥꜦꜧꜨꜩꜪꜫꜬꜭꜮꜯꜰꜱꜲꜳꜴꜵꜶꜷꜸꜹ₠₡₢₣₤₥₦₨₩₫₭₮₯₰₱₲₳₴₵⌒⌓⌔⌕⌖⌗⌘⌢⌣⌤⌥⌦⌧⌨⌫⌬ℌℐℑℒℓ℔℗℘ℛℜ℟℡℣℥Ω℧ℨ℩ℬℭ℮ℯ
< 1442458992 616716 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there, my daily spam of unicode characters to the channel ^H...^H showcase of characters I've added
< 1442459019 327636 :theprobist69420!~theprobis@86.104.31.121 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1442459148 354706 :mauris!~mauris@2601:58a:101:2cc0:3564:4234:89a9:b8c2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :adu: wouldn't that be .subst(/a/, 'b', :g)
< 1442459168 984038 :mauris!~mauris@2601:58a:101:2cc0:3564:4234:89a9:b8c2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: there is y/// in sed, which just does the same thing as "tr"
< 1442459172 883460 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mauris: oops, yes
< 1442459193 128726 :mauris!~mauris@2601:58a:101:2cc0:3564:4234:89a9:b8c2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. y/abc/xyz/ would turn all a's into x's, b's into y's, c's into z's.
< 1442459274 954100 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mauris: so you know Perl6?
< 1442460781 699147 :mauris!~mauris@2601:58a:101:2cc0:3564:4234:89a9:b8c2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope ^^
< 1442461499 67157 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1442462418 989984 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :y/e/q/g
< 1442462427 93350 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
< 1442462438 621243 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :WORLD TAKEOVER PHASE 1: COMPLETE!
< 1442462454 288461 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zgrep
< 1442462833 604998 :theprobist69420!~theprobis@86.104.31.121 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442463173 334401 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…
< 1442463299 653213 :mauris!~mauris@2601:58a:101:2cc0:3564:4234:89a9:b8c2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't even need the g flag, it always operates everywhere in the line(s) specified
< 1442463615 533269 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu
< 1442464771 981853 :bender|!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442465159 760878 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :e false alarm.
< 1442465160 207993 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : Back to planning a take-over of the world.
< 1442465160 388819 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : One of many.
< 1442465160 388902 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Thisbe has quit
< 1442465162 75566 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait
< 1442465167 354853 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was the wrong message
< 1442465176 177060 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://xkcd.com/1138/
< 1442465186 562514 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose everyone here has seen it already
< 1442465189 535653 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's awesome xD
< 1442465199 223406 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And a particularly good one, IMHO
< 1442465785 601970 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :classic
< 1442466258 554097 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
< 1442467348 996193 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving...
< 1442467678 334570 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442468166 786036 :bender|!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], oh sorry
< 1442468173 471428 :bender|!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 PRIVMSG #esoteric :should've ghosted
< 1442468178 893841 :bender|!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wasn't online lol
< 1442468196 684591 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh
< 1442468198 93495 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD
< 1442468207 479817 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll be back in either a few minutes or an hour
< 1442468336 156544 :sc00fy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442468393 488786 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-64-199.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
< 1442468625 304159 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bender|: Back
< 1442468652 276307 :bender|!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 PRIVMSG #esoteric :front
< 1442468661 482354 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK then'
< 1442468691 384512 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-layxdnbxmotxrdrg JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442468752 280373 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've decided to make an improved (more useful) derivative of thue
< 1442468787 782402 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thube ("Thoo Bee") is what I'm currently calling it
< 1442468796 752335 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :All I've got so far is file I/
< 1442468799 592916 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not file I/O
< 1442468801 605038 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just file I
< 1442468900 991569 :mauris!~mauris@2601:58a:101:2cc0:3564:4234:89a9:b8c2 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1442469387 852350 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bender| ?
< 1442469578 226400 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :O... K then.
< 1442469745 737149 :bender|!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1442469752 264119 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you at least do stdin at the same time?
< 1442469766 835244 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or read from two files
< 1442469774 889475 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: Yes,
< 1442469779 737803 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's a bit insecure
< 1442469799 313116 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a VM command to read a file and put its content as a null-terminated string at a certain index
< 1442469817 675466 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's also a command to get its size and put /that/ at a certain index
< 1442469929 386319 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: So yes, though the program does pause while the file is read
< 1442470029 74858 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bender|: Also, how does dynamic linking work? I'm yet to understand it
< 1442470040 764259 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :IF you wouldn't mind explaining.
< 1442470070 864693 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a rough idea, but it's probably entirely wrong (subroutine setupping commands, IMPORT command for a dll)
< 1442470075 691465 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(of sorts)
< 1442470263 824129 :bender|!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope you understand how static linking works?
< 1442470277 290916 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes?
< 1442470284 526832 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A file connects to another file?
< 1442470288 546267 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1442470290 578478 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No I don't
< 1442470293 301862 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll look it up
< 1442470322 13240 :x10A94!~x10A94@178.252.73.97 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442470326 978812 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should've realized there was static linking given that we have to specify that linking is dynamic xD
< 1442470422 607906 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Any computer is a laptop if you're brave enough"
< 1442470497 464089 :bender|!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dynamic linking is not that hard. What I do in my VM is that I've my compiler generate position-independent code for the dynamic library. And there's headers in the library binary which points to the relative address of functions, I load the library into the memory by allocating executable pages, and putting it there. When there's a call to a function in the dynamic library, I get the address from a table created from the function table
< 1442470497 878526 :bender|!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 PRIVMSG #esoteric : in the library during loading.
< 1442470506 176491 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah
< 1442470507 558144 :bender|!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, there's probably better ways to do it.
< 1442470517 988947 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it's where the file is copied over
< 1442470530 427162 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I figured that didn't even count as linking xD
< 1442470541 195407 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm talking about static linking, not dynamic linking)
< 1442470554 628765 :bender|!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's basically linking object files into an executable.
< 1442470577 774113 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah?
< 1442470591 804501 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Object files? (Can you tell I'm a megan00b?)
< 1442470628 177540 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :go write some assembly
< 1442470635 562971 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will at some point xD
< 1442470672 102729 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's good for an executable format? I'm currently using a null-terminated ID string that says what version of what subVM to use, followed by a flat binary.
< 1442470700 558362 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For archive format, I'm going to use a .tar.gz with a different file extension (because that's acceptable, apparently)
< 1442470958 134376 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So object files, from a preliminary overview, appear to be files that contain variables and subroutines, etc. with some kind of mapping as to what is called what
< 1442470964 149347 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that correct?
< 1442471259 78497 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
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< 1442478764 157642 :atehwa_!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi NICK :atehwa
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< 1442483172 674346 :SinClad!18ab5c0f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.171.92.15 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442483191 29499 :SinClad!18ab5c0f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.171.92.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is everyone afk?
< 1442483283 613536 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :more or less
< 1442483290 227431 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly more
< 1442483300 303478 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :though I like less more
< 1442483302 821854 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :see what I did there
< 1442485418 272436 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442485469 135178 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :According to the operator providing this mobile Internet connection, archive.org "contains content that isn't suitable for under 18s" and is therefore blocked. (It's a Three pay-as-you-go deal, and there were done extra steps involved in disabling the filter.)
< 1442485504 369659 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I'm sure they're right.
< 1442485538 76979 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, probably something in there isn't suitable for anyone.
< 1442485660 807744 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :l/g 105
< 1442485662 564773 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fail
< 1442485663 981554 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry
< 1442485664 948743 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( send them an exasperated email explaining how you found porn on google.com and why they don't block that as well. )
< 1442485705 324662 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(unfortunately, it's likely to end up being read by someone without a sense of humor)
< 1442485755 652404 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :incidentally, when did Googe introduce "moderately safe search" as a default?
< 1442485947 571334 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442487192 878602 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :moderately safe?
< 1442487198 958059 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@massages-loud
< 1442487199 135513 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan said 22h 9m 55s ago: and here I was thinking that int-e was oerjan's good twin. or at least the less evil one. <-- i'm just so evil i need two good twins hth
< 1442487736 721570 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask oerjan you're so evil, are you also into cats?
< 1442487736 899429 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1442488341 136393 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Hexagony14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44251&oldid=44250 5* 03Martin Büttner 5* (+336) 10clarify specification about debugging feature.
< 1442489199 555760 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Am I the only one who accidently reads 'lambdadot' every single time?
< 1442489209 474616 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :since I first came here two years ago
< 1442489216 119810 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes
< 1442489223 502419 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok :|
< 1442489271 334674 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellokgit03.
< 1442489275 372560 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tanelle.
< 1442489341 66775 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't talk for long, I'm going to have a shower then do the old buy-up-all-the-shirts-in-a-charity-shop-so-I-don't-have-to-do-laundry trick
< 1442489375 904033 :theprobist69420!~theprobis@86.104.31.121 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1442489386 921251 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you don't have any shirts after shower until they're delivered
< 1442489414 813202 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :speaking of showers, it's time.
< 1442489422 516663 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: BOTTOMLESS CHICKEN
< 1442489488 251668 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :hkgit03: the trick is to do this when you have one shirt spare
< 1442489511 141971 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. I've pulled it once.
< 1442489753 405037 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you prevent double validation in applications?
< 1442489767 540246 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have a model, with setFoo(...), setBar(..), setFooBar(...)
< 1442489779 122830 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :each method will perform an input validation and throw an IllegalFormatException
< 1442489797 322664 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :But now you're in the controller and handling user input
< 1442489832 167978 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you wrap all set calls into a try block you can't tell the user which thing failed
< 1442489841 900763 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but wrapping every set call into a seperate try block looks nasty/bloaty as fuck
< 1442489849 884666 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Hexagony14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44252&oldid=44231 5* 03Timwi 5* (+267) 10
< 1442489859 68886 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and by doing isValidFoo() in the controller
< 1442489873 171547 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are actually doing double validation since setFoo will validate it another time as well
< 1442489928 659100 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could wrap all set calls in a try-block and if you catch an illegalformatexception then call each isValid method to determine what exactly went wrong.
< 1442489950 162223 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you'd still be double validating some inputs
< 1442489951 844844 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I get your problem but couldn't the method getCause() help?
< 1442489981 58859 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :You mean the model sets an internal flag before throwing the exception?
< 1442489995 441919 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which says which input was invalid?
< 1442490010 126425 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I understand it correctly it returns an.. .erm...... http://docs.oracle.com/javase/7/docs/api/java/lang/Throwable.html#getCause()
< 1442490034 716562 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it returns a Throwable
< 1442490055 187809 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :cause is just another exception
< 1442490057 19271 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think
< 1442490069 43015 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :¯n(
< 1442490069 220919 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :_o)/¯
< 1442490074 369772 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I broke it
< 1442490076 154987 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :you use causes when you wrap low-level exceptions into high-level exceptions
< 1442490094 812979 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :such as DBException caused by an IOException caused by an FileNotFoundException or whatever
< 1442490123 205397 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hkgit03: I'm trying to get rid of double validating user inputs
< 1442490142 30249 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a neatly fashion.
< 1442490154 810862 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then I can't help.
< 1442490158 499604 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now
< 1442490307 587098 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codepad.org/YecoVAYY <- that's double validation
< 1442490474 834778 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION realizes he isn't very good at oo
< 1442490785 283142 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: isn't it possible to write your own exception class extending IllegalFormatException?
< 1442490816 905003 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which then includes an internal state (if IllegalFormatException does not already have that in some way)
< 1442490972 470561 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or implements Throwable instead of extending IllegalFormatException (since the latter does not add own fields or methods, only inherits)
< 1442490979 282290 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can define your own exceptions, yes.
< 1442491014 206617 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't mean to ask if it's possible, I meant to ask if it makes sense in your case
< 1442491106 201305 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'd need one FormatException for every model.
< 1442491123 450196 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why?
< 1442491154 225672 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you use a List invalidFields; or something
< 1442491172 868104 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait
< 1442491184 503803 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that wouldn't work anyway :)
< 1442491190 94497 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why?
< 1442491207 652360 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :well if you wrap all set calls in a single try block
< 1442491216 233945 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :you wouldn't notice if two fields are invalid
< 1442491225 398228 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it'd abort at the first one throwing an exception
< 1442491234 822653 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought that was exactly what you wanted
< 1442491265 683106 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I give up. I'll delve into oo and java when I have more time
< 1442491277 992078 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1442491280 874484 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thx anyway
< 1442491304 946526 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*shrug* thanking a noob. Okay. You're welcome I guess
< 1442491527 369249 :bender|!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 PRIVMSG #esoteric :was that java
< 1442491615 333938 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1442491639 5675 :bender|!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you guys suck. c# uber alles 4 life. (obligatory /sarcasm).
< 1442491658 297487 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :no that's pseudo code
< 1442491661 228067 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm actually using PHP.
< 1442491672 273119 :bender|!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION feels rekt.
< 1442491674 906323 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the actual language doesn't really matter
< 1442491682 377091 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a design problem, not a language problem :D
< 1442491740 888302 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you using a specific framework? (since you're using mvc)
< 1442491755 219861 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which, then, I would not know because I never used php
< 1442491768 399942 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I'm doing oldschool php from scratch :D
< 1442491802 122180 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :meaning I write objects as classes that represent tables
< 1442491844 346105 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which all have update(), insert() and byField() methods
< 1442491853 789005 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And by tables you mean?
< 1442492187 463975 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :sql tables
< 1442492240 303185 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :like $m = new Model(); $m->byId(0); $m->setFoo('foo'); $m->update();
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< 1442494876 813387 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Please note that we are having three new desks installed opposite you -- and unfortunately there will be some disruption to you. REWS will need to swing desk 496E out of the window and --"
< 1442494884 168499 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds flashy.
< 1442495053 48640 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bah
< 1442495181 914839 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that was an unsuccessful charity shop raid
< 1442495213 107568 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hexham has a lot of charity shops. None of the ones I visited had much in the way of men's medium t-shirts
< 1442495772 540264 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hexham is a hexagonal ham
< 1442495832 978683 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442495916 862125 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? hexham
< 1442495917 720804 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hexham es la ciudad mas importante de programación esotérico
< 1442495972 330336 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but why is that so?
< 1442496137 979299 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :porque.
< 1442496293 923374 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? vatican
< 1442496294 818811 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :vatican is the super-rich part of italy. Sadly, it has a huge crime rate. You will be robbed.
< 1442496305 682484 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hexham sounds much nicer.
< 1442496882 965048 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1442497556 340004 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will create a Gödel machine in brainfuck with ed
< 1442497611 453059 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442497693 330312 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1442498046 669679 :SinClad!18ab5c0f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.171.92.15 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
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< 1442498568 293795 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442498634 329400 :gruglen!~locgru@168.1.75.38-static.reverse.softlayer.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442498947 319894 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1442499060 287009 :gruglen!~locgru@168.1.75.38-static.reverse.softlayer.com PART #esoteric :"Leaving"
< 1442499315 460247 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is internally more efficient in C? for(int i=0;i= 0; i++) f(); into "foo: call f; jmp foo", eliminating the test entirely, because it can be assumed to be always true.
< 1442502337 668210 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :because schools lack behind
< 1442502343 480485 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Since overflowing a signed int is undefined behavior.)
< 1442502357 531396 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yet, some still use 8086!
< 1442502396 894325 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so overflowing a signed int could eat my laundry
< 1442502460 167007 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a huge fan of the ostrich approach
< 1442502486 814065 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ignore problems until they become frequent.
< 1442502495 893521 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and overflows happen rather infrequently.
< 1442502594 198389 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :once they are frequent you check if you have the budget to fix them
< 1442502608 150433 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you don't have the budget you continue playing the ostrich game.
< 1442502629 535624 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :being an ostrich doesn't increase budget
< 1442502632 739830 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :with the right budget you can actually buy a real ostrich
< 1442502635 478524 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you prefer that
< 1442502652 529974 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are majestic living birds that can't fly.
< 1442502691 13628 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can race them.
< 1442502702 659026 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :birds that can't fly serve no purpose in this world
< 1442502705 545484 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be more fun though if you could air-race them
< 1442502712 205565 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :red bull ostrich air race
< 1442502742 514603 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but until gene scientists can teach ostrichs how to fly we won't have this absolutely must-have event yet.
< 1442502757 476018 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why we invent esolangs instead
< 1442502765 812136 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :work's done for today. Heading home. See you later.
< 1442502777 925897 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 QUIT :
< 1442503420 822980 :bender|!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 QUIT :Quit: [1337 rekt]
< 1442503611 255378 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ostrich
< 1442503612 45281 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ostrich used to be a large middle European empire in frequent conflict with Turkey. After a famine it sort of split into Ostrich/Hungry. Alas its policy of keeping its head in the sand did not get it through the Great War, and with its final attempts to take flight failing, it ended up cut into several pieces.
< 1442504140 416449 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-64-199.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
< 1442504187 442990 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442504463 198862 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Danialgoodwin 5* 10New user account
< 1442504994 200723 :foxberg!~root@50.232.152.74 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442505370 960369 :foxberg!~root@50.232.152.74 PART :#esoteric
< 1442506100 710450 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442506189 36358 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages-
< 1442506189 213928 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily asked 5h 7m 32s ago: you're so evil, are you also into cats?
< 1442506212 245193 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell boily nope, definite dog person here.
< 1442506212 422849 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1442506794 876383 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: You mean, like, a werewolf?
< 1442506834 319316 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm...
< 1442506884 551236 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-76.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442506996 534359 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-layxdnbxmotxrdrg QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity
< 1442507526 246563 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders why thomie cleared edwardk as owner on a bunch of ghc tickets
< 1442507737 316574 :mihow!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442508135 675328 :edwardk!sid47016@haskell/developer/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: because a lot of stuff got assigned to me preemptively
< 1442508533 889338 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1442510360 599937 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-igaeomwachxrkxlr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442510718 449049 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442510949 449480 :^v!~^v@68.41.215.101 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442510973 146775 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Nopfunge14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44253&oldid=44226 5* 0370.24.238.196 5* (+426) 10Added section about applicability to all 2d path walking problems
< 1442511113 878208 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first paragraoh alone is awesome
< 1442511814 28469 :MDude!~fyrc@67.235.0.195 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though Snakes and Ladders is probabalistic.
< 1442511842 615749 :SinClad!18ab5c0f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.171.92.15 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442511867 842856 :SinClad!18ab5c0f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.171.92.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How cant here be so many people yet no talking. Whats the point of being in a chat room?
< 1442512004 645310 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Nopfunge14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44254&oldid=44253 5* 0370.24.238.196 5* (+57) 10Replaced reference to Go with directed graphs and cellular automatons
< 1442512012 11513 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome SinClad
< 1442512014 726640 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :08SinClad: 09Welcome 02to 06the 13international 04hub 07for 08esoteric 09programming 02language 06design 13and 04deployment! 07For 08more 09information, 02check 06out 13our 04wiki: 07. 08(For 09the 02other 06kind 13of 04esoterica, 07try 08#esoteric 09on 02EFnet 06or 13DALnet.)
< 1442512023 562909 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :SinClad: this channel has some silent periods
< 1442512072 178051 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :as for all the people who rarely talk - well some of them may be here for old times sake, and some might think the discussions are interesting to read
< 1442512085 382363 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And some might be stalking their next victim.
< 1442512094 599884 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAAAAAA
< 1442512171 835390 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :SinClad: oh and of course, time zones. some people stay in the channel even when they're physically sleeping :P
< 1442512191 86438 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF939A6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442512197 245723 :SinClad!18ab5c0f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.171.92.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm I see
< 1442512279 847675 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there _are_ also a lot of people for which i cannot remember when they last spoke
< 1442512285 206567 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some people just aren't paying attention
< 1442512297 447311 :SinClad!18ab5c0f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.171.92.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What knowledge do you guys have that makes it esoteric? The programs languages are interesting but, seeing as I am not a programmer it holds little value to me.
< 1442512299 452807 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF939A6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I spoke several times today
< 1442512322 898950 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and some of them are actually bots.
< 1442512367 850517 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :S1: i think you didn't speak much for a while before this week, no?
< 1442512403 501883 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF939A6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I am hkgit03 when I am at work. I was here several hours today. Before that I was here sometimes and before /that/ I wasn't here for several months, yes
< 1442512438 444242 :SinClad!18ab5c0f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.171.92.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you guys practice?
< 1442512445 239808 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :S1: i _do_ vaguely remember that your nick is old, although it's so short that i'm worried i might be confusing you with someone else
< 1442512479 637306 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF939A6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I joined in november 2013. I was a bit more active then.
< 1442512487 326894 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF939A6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have much to do. Studies are ending
< 1442512489 355112 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :SinClad: most people here are programmers or mathematicians, and the channel is sort of about weird things in programming, often math related.
< 1442512524 730183 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well some people are also students or school pupils with a pretty high chance of _become_ programmers or mathematicians.
< 1442512531 947910 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*_becoming_
< 1442512538 22684 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF939A6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :which I am
< 1442512550 135647 :SinClad!18ab5c0f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.171.92.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah I see. Esoteric means something a little bit different to me some one like me.
< 1442512580 520078 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF939A6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :SinClad: See definition 1. https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/esoteric
< 1442512591 379693 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :SinClad: yeah. that's why our welcome message which HackEgo gave you mentions those other channels at the end, which might be more like you expect
< 1442512690 322048 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :using the word "esoteric" for programming grew out of the title of a blog, which has alas since vanished (although the author has new stuff of the same kind).
< 1442512695 200080 :SinClad!18ab5c0f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.171.92.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well computer programming and occult practices are actually pretty similar.
< 1442512725 414092 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm or not blog, a webpage.
< 1442512753 152166 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :This channel is really just for Order of the Stick notifications and discussion.
< 1442512773 98429 :SinClad!18ab5c0f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.171.92.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So limiting
< 1442512796 790579 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION beats shachaf with a stick^Wten foot pole ----------
< 1442512860 51176 :SinClad!18ab5c0f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.171.92.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well I wwill stay for now. Someday I will need knowledge of programming but, that day is still almost a year away. Let me know if you guys are intrested in occult. I am quite accomplished.
< 1442512866 484097 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, we have a not too well organized wiki http://esolangs.org
< 1442512990 830593 :SinClad!18ab5c0f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.171.92.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I have read it
< 1442513016 193766 :MDude!~fyrc@67.235.0.195 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm wondering how to best represent cosine wave cominations as data in javascript.
< 1442513017 756226 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF939A6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how long is the shortest program to output the manpage for g++ and terminate...
< 1442513038 630375 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF939A6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: What you mean, "as data"?
< 1442513051 785258 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF939A6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just store the parameters?
< 1442513057 984975 :SinClad!18ab5c0f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.171.92.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :At first I had thought you guys were occultist practicing spells through computer programming. I was interested to say the least. Not many people use such a medium. Even less are those who are successful.
< 1442513100 302338 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF939A6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, we call upon the name of some mysterious bots in great awe
< 1442513105 269651 :MDude!~fyrc@67.235.0.195 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I'm more just wondering how to best parse textual input into a set of frequencies and amplitudes.
< 1442513124 435251 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF939A6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: You wanna make a fourier analysis on text?
< 1442513157 600046 :MDude!~fyrc@67.235.0.195 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty much http://esolangs.org/wiki/Codesine
< 1442513162 445888 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: wait a minute, are you a programmer or mathematician or something?
< 1442513173 329282 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: ex-mathematician hth
< 1442513180 57784 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are you now
< 1442513193 144144 :MDude!~fyrc@67.235.0.195 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not as an analysis of the text, I just want to be able to use text for an interactive interpreter.
< 1442513195 635156 :SinClad!18ab5c0f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.171.92.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well computer programming is actually a form of spell the only reason its occult knowledge is because even the people who program dont know what their capable of.
< 1442513222 30141 :MDude!~fyrc@67.235.0.195 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I can manually enter waves and perform operations on them.
< 1442513263 468805 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF939A6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: fascinating. Is there any example of this?
< 1442513305 663192 :SinClad!18ab5c0f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.171.92.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You guys look at problems backwards. Makes things difficult. Science minded folk. Using the left brain only moving forward. Its a powerful force of energy its just limiting cuz you can only move 1 way in time. So if you get stuck you get stuck on something for a while.
< 1442513319 80626 :SinClad!18ab5c0f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.171.92.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You want me to give you a example?
< 1442513325 835871 :SinClad!18ab5c0f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.171.92.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or are you talking to someone else?
< 1442513330 751774 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF939A6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefixed MDude
< 1442513335 611313 :SinClad!18ab5c0f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.171.92.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kk
< 1442513358 48602 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF939A6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :feel free anyway, I won't interrupt
< 1442513493 642356 :MDude!~fyrc@67.235.0.195 PRIVMSG #esoteric :S1: Not that I know of? But it's somewhat related to the way jpeg compression works.
< 1442513502 578009 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF939A6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I figured that
< 1442513522 958272 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF939A6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :The resulting uncertainty in return values might be interesting
< 1442513527 938233 :MDude!~fyrc@67.235.0.195 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure the idea came to me while trying to think of a way to make programming work mor elike tuning a physical instrument.
< 1442513535 112485 :MDude!~fyrc@67.235.0.195 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*like
< 1442513546 284324 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF939A6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do analogue computers work in a similar way?
< 1442513597 525768 :MDude!~fyrc@67.235.0.195 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would think a hybrid computer might, but pure analog just has the wave stored as itself.
< 1442513625 613679 :MDude!~fyrc@67.235.0.195 PRIVMSG #esoteric :As a cam like the one used in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1i-dnAH9Y4
< 1442513801 711561 :MDude!~fyrc@67.235.0.195 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or here specifically: https://youtu.be/s1i-dnAH9Y4?t=10m12s
< 1442513827 35661 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF939A6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't watched the 45 min video yet. Also I am in the URL there
< 1442513884 263389 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF939A6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that's the same
< 1442513896 441166 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442513994 220504 :MDude!~fyrc@67.235.0.195 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's to a specific time on it.
< 1442514012 825745 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF939A6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes yes, I oversaw that
< 1442514128 785024 :SinClad!18ab5c0f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.171.92.15 QUIT :Quit: Page closed
< 1442514141 195487 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF939A6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Did I tell that #esoteric was the first channel I joined ever? Could have been that it even was the one which made me concider using IRC in the first place. Just saying.
< 1442514285 791527 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1442514490 806453 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa whoa whoa
< 1442514498 146881 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF939A6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ikr
< 1442514499 54720 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :in haskell, Coyoneda -| U -| Yoneda
< 1442514513 749613 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's U
< 1442514520 185910 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :forgetful functor hth
< 1442514535 114113 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :from endofunctors to polymorphic functions : forall a. f a -> g a
< 1442514542 437908 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF939A6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? U
< 1442514543 433842 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :u monad?
< 1442514576 306772 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That reminds me that I wanted to `revert 5987.
< 1442514581 352786 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I guess I missed my chance.
< 1442514624 69259 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh food
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< 1442514667 92371 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF939A6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :food.
< 1442514674 201867 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF939A6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de QUIT :Quit: We are the revolutionaries
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< 1442514716 926950 :nycs!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com NICK :`^_^v
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< 1442515866 515548 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what happenned to Virgolang...
< 1442517109 335389 :MDude!~fyrc@67.235.0.195 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It got replaced by Libralang?
< 1442517369 99401 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1442520080 577233 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric : My sister was play a ranger in Doungeons&Dragons game this time she selected humans as the favored enemy; I think that is a good choice as they are so common. (This applies whether or not your character is human; if so you get these bonuses against yourself too)
< 1442520247 386111 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1442520663 524991 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: the ranger I rolled for the 5th ed game I'm in had human as their chosen enemies
< 1442520669 289191 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But they were a drow
< 1442520677 648511 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I didn't get to play them anyway :(
< 1442520692 326565 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mostly due to the fact that drow do not like sunlight
< 1442520699 93542 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ended up with a tiefling paladin
< 1442520796 944240 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :My sister's character is also drow actually
< 1442520808 88116 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF939A6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :which game are you talking about?
< 1442520907 293036 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dungeons and Dragons
< 1442521056 625661 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I have recorded the character data of all of the new characters.
< 1442521235 963081 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :My sister's character is a ranger with classified alignment, my sister's friend's character is a monk who can also play flute, and my character is a scholar.
< 1442521267 943894 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :is e also a gentlebeing
< 1442521313 965469 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is who a gentlebeing?
< 1442521321 373031 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the scholar
< 1442521330 508777 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is a "gentlebeing"?
< 1442521341 605302 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF939A6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? gentlebeing
< 1442521342 333144 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gentlebeing? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1442521343 820293 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a gender neutral gentleman
< 1442521389 118057 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The gender is written "male"
< 1442521409 490493 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF939A6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :how to teach HackEgo new things?
< 1442521411 102767 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that case, is he a gentleman and a scholar
< 1442521420 720507 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: my drow ranger was a gentlebeing
< 1442521422 141963 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Nopfunge14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44255&oldid=44254 5* 03Keymaker 5* (+1621) 10Added a tool for translating Minsky Machine to Nopfunge.
< 1442521431 717937 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn A gentlebeing is a gender neutral gentleman.
< 1442521433 468696 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'gentlebeing': A gentlebeing is a gender neutral gentleman.
< 1442521449 860477 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF939A6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? oerjan
< 1442521450 604008 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your famous evil overlord oerjan is a lazy expert in future computation. Also an antediluvian Norwegian who hates Roald Dahl. He can never remember the word "amortized" so he put it here for convenience.
< 1442521465 904765 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, depending how you mean by "gentleman" here?
< 1442521483 200953 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: What alignment? Was it classified or something else?
< 1442521488 217409 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well a gentleman would know if he was hth
< 1442521515 261949 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I think I said neutral good by drow standards
< 1442521527 815659 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly lawful evil by anyone else's?
< 1442521537 183642 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn A gentlebeing is a gender and species neutral gentleman.
< 1442521538 901019 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'gentlebeing': A gentlebeing is a gender and species neutral gentleman.
< 1442521549 836877 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Ah, OK fine whatever
< 1442521644 391196 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: i didn't think D&D alignments depended on opinion, aren't they essentially basic axioms of nature
< 1442521655 37219 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I think it also depend on the campaign?
< 1442521682 494848 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: they believe that the rightful, natural place for a human is as a slave
< 1442521685 194393 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i guess they could vary by world
< 1442521725 47407 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(My design would be they are both, independent of each other but correlated to each other too)
< 1442521753 201633 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: one question here, i guess, is whether e.g. drow in your campaign world consider themselves good.
< 1442521782 862749 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. in the yafgc comic which is d&d world based, evil people are quite aware that they are.
< 1442521806 110429 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I think drow in this world would consider my character a bit overzealous
< 1442521809 499679 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it doesn't stay strictly to d&d in everything, mind you)
< 1442521935 303191 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :They in their backstory was kicked out of the drow community for studying humans a bit too intently, albeit for the right reasons (slaving)
< 1442522006 239542 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(For example, if a creature has Lawful and Evil descriptors then it counts as lawful and evil for the purpose of spells even if they are of other alignments; but they will be counted as the alignments they act at the same time too.)
< 1442522062 433070 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
< 1442522116 537640 :TieSoul!~quassel@2a02:a448:4a62:0:548d:2bb6:e105:b48e QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1442522127 586201 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Nopfunge14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44256&oldid=44255 5* 03Keymaker 5* (-1621) 10Removed my MM translator; realized that it has a gigantic flaw in its design... It can't work as it is.
< 1442522220 641586 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, you dislike Roald Dahl? Why?
< 1442522248 198215 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ask shachaf, he added that
< 1442522252 412683 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc
< 1442522256 991802 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :None of the other players in any game I have been in has ever written any back story yet at all
< 1442522257 397524 :MercurialHg!~Mercurial@94.123.202.254 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442522269 62378 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, so what is your actual opinion of his writings?
< 1442522276 954888 :MercurialHg!~Mercurial@94.123.202.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am making an Esoteric IDE in python!
< 1442522293 317047 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :MercurialHg: OK, when you finished we can see then
< 1442522297 953456 :MercurialHg!~Mercurial@94.123.202.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh ok
< 1442522308 957724 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Well, you didn't like it when I replaced irc.dal.net with irc.dahl.net in `welcome
< 1442522319 23023 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah
< 1442522331 182077 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :classified hth
< 1442522389 760697 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1442522415 448861 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, you should replace it with irc.valley.net obviously
< 1442522426 266972 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, since dal is Swedish for valley
< 1442522496 489359 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/logs/log/_esoteric/2013-01-24#205651
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< 1442523039 75659 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo fields medal | h
< 1442523039 703250 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fiehlds mehdahl
< 1442523075 360609 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I probably shouldn't have done that.
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< 1442523174 2075 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo shachaf | h
< 1442523174 626685 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shahchahf
< 1442523179 318797 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/h
< 1442523179 880094 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :#!/usr/bin/perl -p \ s/([aeiouy])([bcdfghjklmnpqrstvxz])/$1h$2/ig
< 1442523185 829816 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean the dahl thing.
< 1442523186 34440 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah perl
< 1442523265 888474 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` (echo hi; echo there) | h
< 1442523266 505766 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi \ thehre
< 1442523466 199869 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF939A6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :What exactly is the difference between ` and `` for HackEgo?
< 1442523501 909887 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF939A6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :` does not allow those parenthesis around echo as it seems, but which syntax exactly does `` support?
< 1442523502 415800 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: : not found
< 1442523511 281560 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF939A6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yea yea
< 1442523519 719639 :MercurialHg!~Mercurial@94.123.203.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which languages i should add to esoteria?
< 1442523527 773883 :MercurialHg!~Mercurial@94.123.203.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(my esoteric ide)
< 1442523536 610231 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF939A6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :MercurialHg: Brainfuck, Intercal, False, Befunge
< 1442523572 969537 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :S1: by default, when you do `command ... ..., all of ... ... are passed as a _single_ argument to command.
< 1442523582 901854 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no shell escaping, nothing
< 1442523610 22948 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it's not even executing a shell, IIRC.
< 1442523630 16645 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` is a command that passes the rest to an actual shell.
< 1442523630 574600 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: is: command not found
< 1442523633 980256 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/`
< 1442523634 484726 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :TIMEFORMAT='real: %lR, user: %lU, sys: %lS' exec bash -c -- "$1"
< 1442523655 618231 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"`run x" is the builtin/"official" (FSVO) way to do "`` x".
< 1442523672 18281 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF939A6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :FSVO?
< 1442523675 796502 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :For some value of.
< 1442523683 500300 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :we now have 3 versions of that. `run is the original, and is actually builtin. `` and ``` do slightly different things to the environment.
< 1442523710 800100 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :originally `` was just to abbreviate, then someone didn't like how `` time worked, so...
< 1442523716 87386 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like the inconsistent space after ``. I don't mind it with `run, but `` looks too much like `.
< 1442523717 602378 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/``
< 1442523719 141587 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :export LANG=C; exec bash -c "$@"
< 1442523738 650218 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :then zzo38 added ``` which makes the locale C.
< 1442523832 954286 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` --version
< 1442523833 517740 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: --: invalid option \ Usage: bash [GNU long option] [option] ... \ bash [GNU long option] [option] script-file ... \ GNU long options: \ --debug \ --debugger \ --dump-po-strings \ --dump-strings \ --help \ --init-file \ --login \ --noediting \ --noprofile \ --norc \ --posix \ --protected \ --rcfile \ --restricted \ --verbose \
< 1442523843 294379 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think `run also isn't using bash, but dash
< 1442523847 750595 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo $SHELL
< 1442523848 374505 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :/bin/sh
< 1442523860 388747 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run --version
< 1442523860 990943 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: --: invalid option \ Usage: bash [GNU long option] [option] ... \ bash [GNU long option] [option] script-file ... \ GNU long options: \ --debug \ --debugger \ --dump-po-strings \ --dump-strings \ --help \ --init-file \ --login \ --noediting \ --noprofile \ --norc \ --posix \ --protected \ --rcfile \ --restricted \ --verbose \
< 1442523868 755327 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm or not
< 1442523880 46707 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`/bin/sh --version
< 1442523880 545972 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :/bin/sh: 0: Illegal option --
< 1442523912 853334 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, istr /bin/sh is dash.
< 1442523932 914577 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`strings /bin/sh
< 1442523935 21436 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF939A6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's why `echo $SHELL didn't work
< 1442523935 219068 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :/lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 \ k-P( \ __gmon_start__ \ libc.so.6 \ strcpy \ sigsuspend \ readdir \ strsignal \ isalpha \ pipe \ __strdup \ closedir \ isblank \ fork \ sigprocmask \ sigfillset \ realloc \ abort \ _exit \ strpbrk \ getpid \ kill \ strspn \ imaxdiv \ isspace \ strtod \ strtok \ strtol \ isatty \ strchrnul \ isprint \ getpwnam \ getp
< 1442524098 780017 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` readlink $(which sh)
< 1442524099 350596 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dash
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< 1442524158 680473 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Befunge14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44257&oldid=43611 5* 03Mikescher 5* (+117) 10/* Befunge-93 */
< 1442524175 71593 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF939A6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls -l $SHELL
< 1442524175 784182 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lrwxrwxrwx 1 0 0 4 Mar 1 2012 /bin/sh -> dash
< 1442524242 282341 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo $BASH_VERSION
< 1442524242 910200 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :4.2.37(1)-release
< 1442524251 418691 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That one runs under bash, if that wasn't established yet.
< 1442524512 566723 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF939A6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :have a good night
< 1442524514 16379 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF939A6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :o7
< 1442524519 258943 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i demand an example program for nopfunge
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< 1442525046 815373 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I invented a "Wizard of Knowledge" prestige class for Dungeons&Dragons game, it is a bit comparable to Archmage and Loremaster but you lose two caster levels (at level 1 and 6), lose several spell slots to learn other stuff in its place, less base attack and base saves, and more skill points than other spellcasters
< 1442525315 968868 :MercurialHg!~Mercurial@94.123.204.90 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is it?
< 1442525442 926015 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is the description
< 1442525564 521842 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Befunge14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44258&oldid=44257 5* 03Mikescher 5* (+667) 10/* Interpreters */
< 1442525582 831303 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Befunge14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44259&oldid=44258 5* 03Mikescher 5* (-53) 10/* BefunExec */
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< 1442527179 33993 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@massages-loud
< 1442527179 250575 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan said 5h 49m 26s ago: nope, definite dog person here.
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< 1442527500 334904 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boofily!
< 1442527527 85679 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Foofily?
< 1442527536 277015 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/F/f/
< 1442527541 720309 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ms/f/b/
< 1442527867 117698 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what about indefinite dogs twh
< 1442527915 194129 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: how about a short video of a dog wth
< 1442527928 608041 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/9n3q5pV.gifv
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< 1442528672 332360 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I intoduce SIMD to my VM?
< 1442528679 779473 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure how I'd do it, but it'd be interesting
< 1442528965 641573 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :F00Frjanello!
< 1442528977 325105 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavellon[1], hellochaf!
< 1442529001 62616 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :SIMD shouldn't be that hard to implement, no?
< 1442529053 649529 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: please don't add any new things for me to look at. right now i don't see how i'll _ever_ get caught up enough to start reading that book...
< 1442529070 8645 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, continue
< 1442529126 976081 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: don't worry, it's only a few seconds
< 1442529148 735278 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I liked the video with the dog
< 1442529155 927794 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so are all the other things hth
< 1442529215 139327 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: ok i have to admit, that dog is my spiritual twin.
< 1442529254 613814 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
< 1442529261 673254 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :either that, or one that keeps running into glass walls
< 1442529309 714776 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it must have ran into a lot of them to learn so well that they don't let dogs through
< 1442529327 698618 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it turns out this is a thing dogs do
< 1442529335 132761 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can find many videos of dogs doing this thing
< 1442529503 147459 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :aah, indeed you can
< 1442529750 280881 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSprSbj3oR0
< 1442529758 386485 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=dog+thinks+door+is+closed
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< 1442531268 168920 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello!
< 1442531394 100273 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1442531618 917792 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So...
< 1442531752 603419 :Melvar`!~melvar@dslb-092-072-164-084.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1442531809 22305 :Melvar`!~melvar@dslb-092-072-164-084.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de NICK :Melvar
< 1442531822 895688 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: I believe Melvar has three l's in it
< 1442531872 566024 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-164-084.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: If I had a dollar …
< 1442531883 850856 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh
< 1442531901 73901 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose I wouldn't be the first person to make that joke xD
< 1442531961 559929 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User talk:SuperJedi22414]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44260&oldid=42285 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (-1652) 10Blanked the page
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< 1442533450 188647 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren_: helloren_!
< 1442533821 635072 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bohellloy
< 1442533874 464697 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44261&oldid=44229 5* 03161.184.231.102 5* (+13) 10Added 7Basic
< 1442533882 680733 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what characters should I add to my font next? I am thinking APL
< 1442533923 97267 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[077Basic14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=44262 5* 03161.184.231.102 5* (+134) 10Basic page stub.
< 1442533978 216686 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://launchpad.net/7basic
< 1442534142 16510 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, make APL fonts
< 1442534268 463725 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[077Basic14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44263&oldid=44262 5* 03161.184.231.102 5* (+418) 10Added basic syntax and example
< 1442534408 63218 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[077Basic14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44264&oldid=44263 5* 03161.184.231.102 5* (+189) 10Added compiler section.
< 1442534445 660006 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just realized something
< 1442534466 728870 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is what?
< 1442534470 193252 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Given a board with infinitely repeated sections, snakes & ladders is turing complete
< 1442534480 259133 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, sho wthe proof
< 1442534511 269644 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok imagine you have an infinite repeated grid
< 1442534530 832105 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :except the first row and first column have different contents
< 1442534557 907415 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :your x and y position in the grid are basically 2 counters
< 1442534574 383651 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't snakes&ladders one-dimensional though?
< 1442534620 894102 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :each cell on the grid contains a repeat of the same snakes & ladders squares
< 1442534639 223120 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's one dimensional but it's repeated in a 2d infinite grid
< 1442534670 175375 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, OK
< 1442534678 296762 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :since the top row and left column have different contents, you can test if your x or y counter are zero by having a different path in those cells
< 1442534706 30919 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can increment the x counter by having a path that goes rightways to the next repeated cell
< 1442534729 452731 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :likewise, you can decrement x by going left, increment y by going down, or decrement y by going up
< 1442534776 686741 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1442534781 319997 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, you're in a current "state", one of N finite states
< 1442534802 741018 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that state is represented by the current path you're on in the current cell
< 1442534853 949700 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that means you have a 2 counter minsky machine -> https://esolangs.org/wiki/Minsky_machine
< 1442534880 768733 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is turing complete
< 1442534910 187157 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the 2 counter minsky machine works by taking the infinite tape, encoding it as 2 stacks
< 1442534929 854923 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :encoding the stack as 2 infinitely large counters
< 1442535033 248068 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(using the last digit of the counter as top of the stack, doing counter *2 to push a zero, counter *2+1 to push a one, counter /2 to pop, checking for odd/even to read the top of the stack... the second counter is present for manipulation)
< 1442535063 956077 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means you can get your infinite tape with only 4 counters
< 1442535129 900087 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you can represent your 4 counters using 2 counters by representing your 4 counters as 2^c[0] * 3^c[1] * 5^c[2] * 7^c[3]
< 1442535140 467143 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and using the second counter for manipulation
< 1442535200 33411 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made a version that's based on befunge but with only PC direction change commands but it's the same thing: http://esolangs.org/wiki/nopfunge
< 1442535311 548967 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it works for any 2d path as long as you can merge 2 paths and you have wire crossings
< 1442536538 407724 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sooooooooooooooooooooo
< 1442536834 398434 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :My computer isn't turing complete
< 1442537141 189006 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :... oooooooooooooooooooooo...
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< 1442538146 785534 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hioly!
< 1442538159 331277 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily!
< 1442538188 957682 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :NEW INFORMAL CS TERM:
< 1442538192 624987 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CETC
< 1442538199 616107 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Close Enough to Turing Complete
< 1442538225 530555 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's that?
< 1442538246 873585 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :bound storage machines that would be turing complete given some means to access infinite storage?
< 1442538255 624821 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], if your language isn't tc then do the job properly and figure out what class it's in
< 1442538266 276910 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a bunch of sub-turing classes for exactly this reason
< 1442538268 286781 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: NO
< 1442538270 697198 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*No
< 1442538279 128459 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean to describe computers
< 1442538304 39966 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since we can't build a computer with Infinite Memory, we can't build TMs
< 1442538316 98745 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you mean the fact that actual computers have memory limits or whatever then i've always thought of that in terms of abstractions
< 1442538318 410014 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose a "Bounded State Automaton" is the proper term for that
< 1442538360 945486 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: True, true. A language might not be able to emulate a TRUE TM on a given computer, but it can still be TC
< 1442538397 910184 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If we allow it to work such that it doesn't have an aribtrary memory limit AS PART OF the language
< 1442538400 589135 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it comes down to the spec
< 1442538408 963961 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exactly
< 1442538434 823859 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you could have a conformant implementation that's TC then the language is TC
< 1442538443 367820 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :(so C is subturing because of the memory limit)
< 1442538451 144477 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the spec says "Arrays can only be 1000000 items long", and it isn't under "Implementation notes" or the like, then it isn't TC (assuming we make all the other assumptions)
< 1442538492 20041 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I would propose we define "CETC" which describes something that /would/ be TC if it weren't for the fact that we're in the real world
< 1442538600 528754 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would prefer a different kind of definition, such as, the number of bits in stuff is implementation-defined but is otherwise TC
< 1442538621 174674 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That works too
< 1442538742 354750 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should also have ABNQEUTC.
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< 1442538805 479702 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How is b::=~0
< 1442538805 749991 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :b::=~1
< 1442538805 927842 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ac::=abc
< 1442538805 927898 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :::=
< 1442538805 927925 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :abc nondeterministic?
< 1442538814 608188 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems like it would just constantly output "0"
< 1442538888 581846 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, when multiple definitions for a word is given, does the Spec not define how to interpret it?
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< 1442539387 32624 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Both the rule b::=~0 and b::=~1 are possible to use, so which one is used is not specified.
< 1442539477 278026 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], exactly that
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< 1442539528 153052 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're guaranteed that a valid substitution will be performed but which one specifically is down to undefined behaviour
< 1442539537 795844 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Y'know, I think I don't like languages that are purely dynamically typed.
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< 1442539555 564769 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want my static typechecking.
< 1442539574 103078 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I don't know what sort of value a variable will hold, I'll say so.
< 1442539671 95935 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :We need to compoile a list of TC mathematical systems.
< 1442539698 123076 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's a "mathematical system"?
< 1442539702 765650 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: So you want Dynamic AND static typechecking? Basically, you should have a "dyn" type?
< 1442539716 836496 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: I just needed a quick term for something I don't entirely understand
< 1442539722 101291 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Examples are:
< 1442539772 949433 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Re static and dynamic typechecking: more or less. C# has static typechecking, but you can also cast anything to "object", and it performs dynamic typechecking when you try to cast it back.
< 1442539817 191807 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :C# also *does* have a "dynamic" type; if you have a variable of type "dynamic", then you can attempt to call any method or access any property, and the existence of such a method or property will be checked at runtime.
< 1442539852 504102 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Unrestricted Grammars (Thue)
< 1442539852 828602 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Turing Machines (every normal language)
< 1442539853 5969 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Combinatorics (Unlambda)
< 1442539853 6049 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Lambda Calculus (Haskell)
< 1442539856 868726 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Et cetera.
< 1442539888 516552 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*nod* Mathematical models of computation.
< 1442539888 943064 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just a database so that people can find a system (or more) on which to base a new esolang
< 1442539897 430067 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: THERE we go!
< 1442539971 128294 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is: "List of Turing-Complete Models of Computation" a good place to put that list?
< 1442539978 97033 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett?
< 1442540017 469471 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(This is SOLELY for the TC stuff and generally things you'd WANT to make a language based on)
< 1442540035 22189 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds good. Put in sentence case, though.
< 1442540040 630258 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"List of Turing-complete models of computation"
< 1442540189 308661 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, in my imaginary programming language, you can define "varieties", which are essentially (finitely generated) categories with all finite limits.
< 1442540249 524276 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Individual varieties are categories. Varieties also form a category; homomorphisms between varieties are the objects.
< 1442540279 131311 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can also define a variety called "Category", which is the variety whose algebras/models are categories.
< 1442540321 746351 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Please make up the document so that we can see its working
< 1442540370 591113 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll probably do that at some point.
< 1442540408 474292 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: by the way, I'd say normal languages really don't resemble Turing machines much at all.
< 1442540426 388493 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Fair enough
< 1442540441 306982 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd say that Turing machines are a somewhat bad model of computation, in that it's hard for a computer programmer to come up with a Turing machine that executes a given algorithm.
< 1442540457 436624 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lambda calculus is much better in that respect.
< 1442540477 622310 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the reason we keep talking about Turing machines is mostly tradition.
< 1442540508 961255 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, probably it is
< 1442540509 608854 :MDude!~fyrc@67.235.0.195 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about a reverse turing machine where the tape is the code and the state macine is the data?
< 1442540548 784488 :MDude!~fyrc@67.235.0.195 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if there's entirely a difference other than which one changes at run time.
< 1442540553 464913 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, you *should* be able to express the fact that since varieties are categories, and categories are models of the variety "Category", varieties are models of the variety "Category".
< 1442540578 36758 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So far, I haven't found a way to tie these three levels of categories together.
< 1442540683 205341 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been working at sort of a dizzyingly high level of abstraction.
< 1442540718 564970 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider an ordinary mathematical value, like, I dunno, the string "abc".
< 1442540781 393952 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This string is an element of some algebra—namely, the algebra of strings over a certain alphabet. This algebra is a model of some variety—namely, the variety of monoids. This variety is an object in an overarching category—namely, the category of varieties.
< 1442540899 28158 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Level 1 things are elements of the algebras. Level 2 things are the algebras which model the varieties. Level 3 things are the varieties that classify the algebras. There's only one level 4 thing I'm dealing with, which is the category of varieties, but I can foresee adding a finite number of additional level 4 things.
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< 1442540968 491047 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I suppose what I want is a way to treat higher-level things as being lower-level things.
< 1442541012 255632 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The category of varieties (a level 4 thing) isn't explicitly mentioned in the language, but I should be able to treat it as being a variety (a level 3 thing).
< 1442541029 767332 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I should be able to look at any variety (a level 3 thing) as if it were an algebra (a level 2 thing).
< 1442541047 455928 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, finally, I should be able to look at any algebra (a level 2 thing) as if it were just an element of an algebra (a level 1 thing).
< 1442541086 411143 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07List of Turing-complete models of computation14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=44265 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+1429) 10Created page. I'm not very good at this.
< 1442541128 431316 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: good start.
< 1442541134 304354 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yuy
< 1442541214 880790 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just realized "included for completeness" is a joke xD
< 1442541227 63003 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :By the way, I think you want to say "combinator calculi" instead of "combinatorics".
< 1442541312 699651 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07List of Turing-complete models of computation14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44266&oldid=44265 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+0) 10Fixed a CN
< 1442541503 118153 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07List of Turing-complete models of computation14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44267&oldid=44266 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (-20) 10Fixed some stuff
< 1442541539 420103 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07List of Turing-complete models of computation14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44268&oldid=44267 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+0) 10Fixed it. One last time.
< 1442541552 177692 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Oh.
< 1442541599 355857 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Perhaps Combinatory Logic is what I meant?
< 1442541637 502065 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :More or less the same concept, I think. I don't totally understand the distinction between the terms.
< 1442541641 690341 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07List of Turing-complete models of computation14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44269&oldid=44268 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+11) 10s/Combinatorics/Combinatory Logic/
< 1442541680 7999 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like these idea but you should need some document to tell it better.
< 1442541693 347042 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(If you know what to write so far!)
< 1442541715 9342 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just linking to the Wikipedia pages for now xD
< 1442541725 621718 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does anyone here know of MOAR TCnesses?
< 1442541755 860827 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Many things are Turing-complete, including Wang tiles
< 1442541834 957324 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION googles wang tiles
< 1442541844 824511 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH GOD WHY WOULD YOU SEND ME TO THIS PAGE
< 1442541854 485375 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Look in Wikipedia isn't it?
< 1442541962 404751 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was kidding
< 1442542039 604365 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: WANG-TILE BASED PROGRAMMING LANGUAGE
< 1442542044 321842 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that feasible?
< 1442542051 788617 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's definitely possible.
< 1442542063 179067 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But is it feasible?
< 1442542089 589755 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know
< 1442542109 726567 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh
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< 1442542118 493982 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you were to search my house, would you be able to find a toy zebra?
< 1442542118 739515 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :People have implemented Rule 110 in CSS
< 1442542137 273621 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: That's exactly why I think it may be infeasible
< 1442542140 47781 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes, you don't know whether something is possible or not until you've done it.
< 1442542155 911383 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: I don't know. That depend on many things including whether or not you have a toy zebra in your house and where it is.
< 1442542158 797129 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I imagine it's probably feasible.
< 1442542185 367730 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And if you tell me to get out and call the police for breaking and entering into your house)
< 1442542269 146001 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made up this Dungeons&Dragons prestige class: http://zzo38computer.org/dnd/class/wizard_of_knowledge Do you have opinion/complaint of it?
< 1442543665 285611 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not very good at this Minesweeper game I made up; my best time is 878
< 1442543734 823015 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The game is 30x16 with 95 bombs)
< 1442544978 957785 :MDude!~fyrc@67.235.0.195 NICK :MDream
< 1442545924 182991 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07List of Turing-complete models of computation14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44270&oldid=44269 5* 03Zzo38 5* (-48) 10Using interwiki links
< 1442546353 330204 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :man there are a lot of apl symbols
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< 1442550308 32327 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : (32,26)
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< 1442552973 649875 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Blackberry14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=44271 5* 03Virgolang 5* (+1141) 10Created page with "It Is a programming language that is stack-based, imperative and long-liner. And I wrote this article from my BB 8520. = Instructions = Instructions is base of Blackberry. == ..."
< 1442553539 706229 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that last bit supposed to be relevent?
< 1442553585 587544 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Nopfunge14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44272&oldid=44256 5* 03Keymaker 5* (+1776) 10Fixed my MM translator and added it back.
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< 1442556338 654804 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: It looks like wang tiles AREN'T TC
< 1442556353 548876 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOu probably read the Wiki Page before that was corrected
< 1442556361 852426 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OR it was corrected wrongly
< 1442556533 565407 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: How is that? I don't see anything like that?
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< 1442556563 899854 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I read the wiki page. It didn't mention Turing Completeness.
< 1442556567 651154 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I read the talk page
< 1442556581 968991 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone said they'd corrected it and that it wasn't TC
< 1442556593 880051 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How WOULD it be TC, anyway?
< 1442556623 294926 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, I can see on the talk page, but the article says you can translate any Turing machine into Wang tiles
< 1442556691 18922 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: If and only if that TM does not halt
< 1442556700 260828 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyways, someone is asking for a proof that it is not possible to compute functions. Well, I have no proof or disproof of such a statement
< 1442556720 724978 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/ not//
< 1442556729 56911 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I think they were kidding
< 1442556772 424001 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm googling ""is turing-complete""
< 1442556780 488707 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :To find new and exciting TC things
< 1442556809 972749 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: It says they tile the plane if and only if that TM does not halt.
< 1442556833 579346 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh
< 1442556835 93096 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weird
< 1442556845 22059 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could've sworn it only works if it does
< 1442556903 152659 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that isn't what it says?
< 1442556988 294081 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure "translating any Turing Machine into Wang tiles" counts as being Turing Complete...
< 1442556990 422072 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :<Sgeo>30 "If there is a curb, turn your steering wheel completely away from it if your vehicle faces up the hill,"
< 1442556990 599890 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :20<Sgeo>30 I'm confused, if the wheel is pointed away from the curb and the car starts moving backwards, won't it move away from the curb?
< 1442556990 599975 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :20<Sgeo>30 Or am I confused about steering wheels
< 1442557001 749907 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, where is the computation in a wang tile?
< 1442557078 851591 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless it means converting it into a /set/ of Wang Tiles for which the /solution/ can be converted /back/ into the TM's solution
< 1442557080 806574 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well
< 1442557083 715333 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Solution"
< 1442557100 328359 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also am not quite sure by now, but it seem to me that it would be somehow, but I am not quite sure
< 1442557104 666707 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose TMs don't have a solution, especially not ones that don't halt
< 1442557229 156205 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :A Turing machine halts if and only if there exists a proof that it halts. (But you cannot necessarily prove that it does not halt.)
< 1442557278 270811 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I think that "if and only if" means you can
< 1442557291 520242 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh wait
< 1442557297 108850 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No it doesn't
< 1442557306 560333 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because that proof is hard to find xD
< 1442557819 64578 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
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< 1442562070 554895 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yes, that is correct
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< 1442573669 19742 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 TOPIC #esoteric :ɛ̃ˈglɪʃ spɛˈliŋ ʀɘfɔʀm/ | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ | https://esolangs.org/
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< 1442577826 833298 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ɛˈglɪʃ?
< 1442578112 542309 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's only spoken in igloos
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< 1442579200 96207 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask hppavilion[1] um, you _do_ know about https://esolangs.org/wiki/Category:Computational_models, right? i'm not saying there shouldn't be a main page but you don't need to link to wikipedia for most of these.
< 1442579200 274142 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1442579429 553982 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are petri nets not on this list?
< 1442579494 469382 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because no one wrote a page, i guess.
< 1442579649 634080 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i see you changed the wikipedia links to be interwiki. this is a perfect example of why i dislike those: these are links to wikipedia pages that could mostly have been to our own pages instead, but there's no visual difference in my browser so if i don't click them or look at the source i won't see that there is something to correct.
< 1442579854 465589 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what? don't interwiki links have a different color than intrawiki ones?
< 1442579898 217151 :impomatic_!~digital_w@212.159.126.45 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are people still playing BF Joust?
< 1442579933 367285 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic_: sure
< 1442579953 656756 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic_: the next expansion set is coming out in a few days
< 1442579991 701062 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: if there's a difference it is ridiculously subtle.
< 1442580017 372517 :impomatic_!~digital_w@212.159.126.45 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Modified rules?
< 1442580026 958405 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :far smaller than the difference between visited and unvisited links
< 1442580094 215633 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: these are _not_ ordinary external links, but special namespaces for wikipedia etc. that mediawiki allows by default
< 1442580176 669033 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic_: b_jonas is joking, however zemhill is now working again, so there was recently a little activity.
< 1442580206 233731 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :EgoBot also works, though.
< 1442580261 578362 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I'm joking about M:tG, sorry.
< 1442580386 834108 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1442580416 953921 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07List of Turing-complete models of computation14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44273&oldid=44270 5* 03Oerjan 5* (-2) 10Fix case and make links point to our own wiki, see also
< 1442580483 665785 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07List of Turing-complete models of computation14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44274&oldid=44273 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+4) 10missed one
< 1442581052 236199 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :too stupid, eh...
< 1442581147 7385 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: what
< 1442581241 728625 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: just quoting randomly from that esolang wiki article
< 1442581642 842898 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`2014
< 1442581643 488556 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1442581668 70957 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/2014
< 1442581670 514364 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :#!/bin/sh \ if [ $(date +%Y) = "$(basename "$0")" ] \ then echo "Hello, world!" \ fi
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< 1442584961 482368 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:B jonas14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44275&oldid=40175 5* 03B jonas 5* (+120) 10
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< 1442590120 301478 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu
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< 1442591882 247267 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell hppavilion[1] Who says you have to be able to be able to *use* a model of computation? You can just convert a program into Wang tiles and call it a day.
< 1442591882 462554 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1442592711 770989 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want my quantum computer already
< 1442592796 974898 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-pxqupznpbejhqksx QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity
< 1442592893 751300 :MDream!~fyrc@67.235.0.195 NICK :MDude
< 1442593187 649020 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that requires a time-traveling quantum computer
< 1442593330 586579 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this might be slightly relevant and i might eventually get through enough of my tabs to read it myself http://www.scottaaronson.com/blog/?p=2464
< 1442593367 87932 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now back to elliotts and extraterrestrials.
< 1442593377 742825 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :* &
< 1442594535 874686 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1442594872 217842 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-67.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What combinators are there?
< 1442594880 277840 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-67.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :SKI, BCKW, Y, what else?
< 1442594976 443311 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1442595036 354280 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :several called "X", I remember reading about a few more
< 1442595112 201860 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't there a whole combinator bird book
< 1442595114 410537 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't even need I, SK is enough
< 1442595148 24065 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/To_Mock_a_Mockingbird
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< 1442595191 709145 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this has a list http://www.angelfire.com/tx4/cus/combinator/birds.html
< 1442595199 646315 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I should read that book
< 1442595232 469418 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could you use CSS to change interwiki links to a different colours?
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< 1442595324 61287 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i'm pretty sure we asked elliott about that some time, and there was a problem...
< 1442595327 609216 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: But the other reason I changed them is because one of them wasn't working anyways
< 1442595360 165380 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: well now i changed most of them to point at our own wiki
< 1442595373 157816 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that is better anyways
< 1442595547 124652 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-67.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Oh right, To Mock a Mockingbird
< 1442595553 333075 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-67.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's on my Amazon Wishlist :)
< 1442595575 80070 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interwiki links have the "extiw" CSS class, so you should be able to change the colours using that in your user CSS
< 1442595595 229219 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh
< 1442595642 857841 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-67.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to make a non-tarbit based on Combinator Calculus
< 1442595650 82212 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-67.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably called Bluebird
< 1442595667 684133 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(You can format self links too)
< 1442595691 892992 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-67.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or Alps, named after the SKI combinator calculus
< 1442595699 358575 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-67.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/tarbit/tarpit/
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< 1442595744 212738 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: as usual, i'd prefer it to work for everyone
< 1442595745 371696 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :.extiw { color: blue; }
< 1442595754 628280 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-67.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :B(BBB)(B(BBB))
< 1442595760 141075 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-67.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bald Eagle Combinator
< 1442595773 353301 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can set it in the global CSS then, and then users who do not want that can disable it in their user CSS.
< 1442595835 881890 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-67.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait
< 1442595842 713987 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-67.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is the guy in charge ON IRC with us?
< 1442595894 775613 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in charge of what?
< 1442595953 254985 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-67.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of the Wiki
< 1442595966 769490 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: are you with us?
< 1442595974 819185 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: i'm pretty sure i could set it too
< 1442595978 464139 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :as could ais523
< 1442595989 269228 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-67.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh
< 1442595990 973611 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-67.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interesting
< 1442595991 941051 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie is currently in charge of the wiki (in terms of having the highest level of permissions)
< 1442595998 225750 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-67.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaaah
< 1442596001 219766 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-67.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't know that
< 1442596004 264936 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but several people here have pretty high permissions, such as me and oerjan
< 1442596013 196758 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-67.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1442596020 8224 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-67.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wasn't sure who was who in this world xD
< 1442596028 864888 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've changed CSS before
< 1442596050 151525 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-67.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :We should fix the page on Combinatory Logic
< 1442596062 589472 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-67.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It only talks about the SKI cominbators, which is wrong
< 1442596094 549719 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: you can fix that yourself if you like, although probably in a separate section
< 1442596097 208775 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1442596100 856224 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-67.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or at least talk about other than just important combinators
< 1442596113 29292 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambda calculus maps pretty well onto S, K, I, Y
< 1442596129 478641 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :untyped lambda calculus doesn't need the Y, because you can implement it in terms of the others
< 1442596144 326536 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I can be implemented as (SK)K, although that's mostly just coincidence
< 1442596155 414278 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Combinatory logic14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44276&oldid=38949 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+17) 10Added a heading for when I update this later to talk about other important combinators
< 1442596159 440102 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I is like ~ from Underload, it isn't technically needed but it fits really neatly into the language
< 1442596201 940916 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ais523: We have interwiki links? What color are they now?
< 1442596211 335704 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-67.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stack Based Combinatory Logic Language
< 1442596219 445126 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are currently afaict identical to internal links
< 1442596228 637953 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-67.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'd use the S, B, C, and L combinators (see what I did there?)
< 1442596230 534887 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: we have one to Wikipedia, and I thought they were light blue
< 1442596258 523813 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or well, they might be _slightly_ lighter blue
< 1442596268 442634 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can be implemented as SKK?
< 1442596270 121357 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :same colour as external links, but without hte arrow
< 1442596287 382604 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can make them even more difference if you want to then
< 1442596288 512228 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what i'd liked is to add the arrow.
< 1442596301 244938 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or perhaps their own symbol
< 1442596312 16592 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Esolang:Sandbox14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44277&oldid=43900 5* 03Ais523 5* (+59) 10testing various links
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< 1442596323 624970 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :here, spot the difference: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Esolang:Sandbox
< 1442596339 657056 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like night and day.
< 1442596365 277274 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure you could also add a symbol with CSS.
< 1442596394 880773 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-67.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately, I've visited the pages on intercal xD
< 1442596406 997934 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i vaguely recall there was some problem doing that
< 1442596442 309969 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least in Mozilla it is possible to turn off visited links formatting globally
< 1442596442 487914 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The external link icon seems to be added by a "background-image: url(data:...);" style.
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< 1442596456 406105 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Which I have done)
< 1442596477 303193 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: more over there are heaps them for different formats
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< 1442596480 902607 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*-
< 1442596492 96027 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: more over there are heaps them for different formats
< 1442596495 419962 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*-
< 1442596497 218590 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mm.
< 1442596517 894900 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-67.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found a way to make Combinatory Logic languages a /little/ easier to read
< 1442596534 848080 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, later ->
< 1442596539 560955 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-67.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make the lexer detect combinators with this regex: /[A-Z][a-z]*/
< 1442596555 309736 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-67.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And ignore whitespace, of course
< 1442596571 515474 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-67.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And colons at the end of combinators
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< 1442596711 51552 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-67.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That'd make it easier to read
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< 1442596758 355177 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-67.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Constant: x (Conatant: x)
< 1442596771 81277 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-67.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That produces the Identity combinator
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< 1442596830 33486 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-67.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you add with combinators?
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< 1442598827 664792 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-67.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Again
< 1442598831 799269 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-67.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you add with combinators?
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< 1442598900 640954 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in, numbers?
< 1442598900 858844 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you have to figure out how you're representing numbers first.
< 1442598905 361601 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Church numerals are good.
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< 1442598922 324050 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: you add with combinators the same way you add with any other Church numeral
< 1442598946 934194 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks up the definition of addition in The Underlambda Project
< 1442598947 622179 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-67.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION forgets what Church Numerals are
< 1442598958 999916 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's see. Zero is KI, one is I, two is... eh, who cares about two.
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< 1442598970 803234 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-67.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION thinks they're how you represent numbers in Lambda Caclucus
< 1442598983 60028 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :All right, let's do lambda calculus numbers instead.
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< 1442598992 180021 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the formal definition is apparently a(:)~*(~a*^)*~*(~*)*
< 1442598993 609983 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zero: \f. \x. x
< 1442598998 221043 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :One: \f. \x. f x
< 1442599009 793620 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Five: \f. \x. f (f (f (f (f x))))
< 1442599013 879360 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :You get the picture.
< 1442599026 216125 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there's a note that it can be optimized
< 1442599040 537128 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you kow for a fact that you're dealing with integers
< 1442599060 215339 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: you can convert \f.\x.f(f(x)) to combinators using the usual algorithm
< 1442599065 345308 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I jus forget what the usual algorithm is
< 1442599090 141763 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's probably on the unlambda website (that is, the algorithm definitely is, the result of applying it to 2 might be)
< 1442599124 81110 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's see. Start with the first bit, you get \f. S (K f) f.
< 1442599134 315243 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then do it again, and it's, uh.
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< 1442599158 379712 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :S (S (K S) S) I, I think?
< 1442599173 482637 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um, make that...
< 1442599179 912901 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :S (S (K S) K) I.
< 1442599201 406779 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Unlambda website says 2 is ``s``s`kski
< 1442599215 818917 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it agrees with you
< 1442599224 90321 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and 3 is ``s``s`ksk``s``s`kski
< 1442599234 492265 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's see. S (S (K S) K) I f x = S (K S) K f (I f) x = K S f (K f) f x = S (K f) f x = K f x (f x) = f (f x)
< 1442599277 558015 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is "so easy".
< 1442599278 182193 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-67.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Parenthesis are important in Combinatory Logic, correct?
< 1442599282 784721 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup.
< 1442599286 181876 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-67.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or are they just decorative?
< 1442599287 34821 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-67.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1442599294 399176 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or some other way of specifying precedence.
< 1442599300 237969 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-67.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That makes making a Combinatory Logic language a /bit/ more difficult
< 1442599307 159632 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric : To decrement (and hence to substract) Church integers is by no means impossible. I don't know if it can be done with even moderate efficiency, however.
< 1442599326 438442 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Underlambda Project subtracts integers via forming a lookup table of all possible subtractions, and then indexing it
< 1442599531 452647 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-67.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Combinatory Haskell, anyone?
< 1442599597 617953 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-67.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1442599599 567628 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-67.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So
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< 1442602062 112379 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do I tell Mozilla to request HTTPS resources from a proxy rather than tunneling the connection through the proxy?
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< 1442603154 109078 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: sure, if you want efficiency, you'd use some sort of radixal numerical representation, like base 2 or a higher base for efficiency
< 1442603177 465743 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have haskell code for binary integers at http://www.math.bme.hu/~ambrus/pu/Bin.hs
< 1442603206 323298 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously then you have to know how to translate algebraic structures to lambda calculus or directly to unlambda
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< 1442604641 216289 :NewHorizons!~Horizons@174.110.41.80 PART #esoteric :"See #NewHorizons for info"
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< 1442605652 879016 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Stare/1.014]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44278&oldid=44206 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+2) 10Changed the procedure with arguments syntax (I DID say it was frozen, but I realized this makes lexers stateless and thus easier)
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< 1442605916 67337 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PART :#esoteric
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< 1442607389 624577 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How much do you know of the very old rules of Magic: the Gathering? I don't know much about it.
< 1442607427 843365 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :How old?
< 1442607490 283369 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :From before Alpha up to Fifth Edition
< 1442607575 342882 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess they had things like interrupts until Fifth Edition.
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< 1442607618 119502 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, they had complicated timing rules I do not completely understand, although I saw a diagram, the diagram doesn't explain everything. There was also damage prevention steps.
< 1442607703 316866 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they may not have understood the rules completely either.
< 1442607724 496380 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could only target spells (to counter it or whatever) *before* it was placed onto the stack, I think; once it reached the stack it was too late.
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< 1442607727 185154 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa whoa whoa, they had so many great cards back then
< 1442607735 301492 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like Illusionary Mask
< 1442607768 539986 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There were a lot of interrupt steps inside of other interrupt steps, and I think even the damage prevention step is a normal step inside of an interrupt step, but with the restriction that only damage prevention effects can be played.
< 1442607811 65185 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you don't lose due to running out of life points until the end of a phase.
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< 1442607970 74382 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Artifacts were disabled when tapped, I think also mana abilities were interrupts (although on lands this was implied, on other cards it must be specified)
< 1442608098 708498 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :pre-sixth edition rules? no, luckily I don't know them.
< 1442608159 421043 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have also seen some cards from before Alpha, and can see how those work too (but I am not certain about any of this): The large mana symbol on lands existed before Alpha, activation costs implicitly included tapping (there was no "Mono Artifact"), activation costs were printed next to the casting cost, mana costs like "5GG" meant "five manas, at least two of which are green", Plains cards had pictures of airplanes on it
< 1442608451 399297 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The old Magic: the Puzzling are using old rules, so it would help to know all of the old rules of various editions
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< 1442608726 75181 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a idea though, a kind of Magic: the Puzzling where it has one solution that works only without manaburn and another solution that works only if manaburn is reinstated
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< 1442608894 773486 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to see if any of you who can see my "Wizard of Knowledge" prestige class of Dungeons&Dragons game to see any suggestion to fixed or whatever
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< 1442611529 826547 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :S1: Which is what?
< 1442611546 167426 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF93031.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/BitChanger
< 1442611573 424929 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :KO
< 1442611574 692184 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1442611576 244192 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF93031.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ignoring the memory mapping of Gregor Richards and simply mapping every next eight bits to one ascii char, my program should be a valid greeting
< 1442611683 283630 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF93031.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(cause I'm not sure if that Gregor Richards mapping belongs to the specification or just is an extra idea)
< 1442611697 12924 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF93031.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(so I'm ignoring it for now)
< 1442611790 256111 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Specification" is pretty arbitrary with esolangs.
< 1442611806 720408 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forced that style of I/O on the world by being the only person who implemented the language.
< 1442611807 736961 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF93031.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know what I mean
< 1442611818 820136 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF93031.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see
< 1442611825 974241 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF93031.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I'll have to get used to that, oh well
< 1442611837 647598 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or make your own impl *shrugs*
< 1442611843 617697 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF93031.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yea yea some day
< 1442611845 950880 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or modify egobch to do whatever you'd like
< 1442612751 921172 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF93031.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :do the laundry?
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< 1442616978 792385 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you tell Mozilla to request HTTPS stuff from a proxy rather than making the connection through the proxy?
< 1442617147 986457 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@74-114-87-67.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1442617290 507143 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=38&t=358889 This is what I want it to do
< 1442617597 924053 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hell♨!
< 1442617633 127729 :atrapado!~atrapado@unaffiliated/atrapado QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1442617695 100639 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellore!
< 1442617718 97140 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(let's check the logs. not sure it went through correctly.)
< 1442617738 821312 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh, nah.
< 1442617768 597530 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode
< 1442617769 911429 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+F6A7 - No such unicode character name in database \ UTF-8: ef 9a a7 UTF-16BE: f6a7 Decimal: \ () \ Uppercase: U+F6A7 \ Category: Co (Other, Private Use) \ Bidi: L (Left-to-Right)
< 1442617818 762681 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was supposed to be U+1F6A7 CONSTRUCTION SIGN. somewhere the astral plane character was basicified.
< 1442617820 214408 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bohily
< 1442617826 248574 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellørjan!
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< 1442618468 842339 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask ais523 whoa, what's rnz() all about?
< 1442618469 20490 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1442618564 830252 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? rnz
< 1442618565 398441 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rnz? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1442618573 302184 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds
< 1442618839 810900 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44279&oldid=44261 5* 0374.122.187.254 5* (+13) 10Ajsone
< 1442618918 498226 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: maybe it's a typoed nrz?
< 1442618997 692186 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Ajsone14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=44280 5* 0374.122.187.254 5* (+686) 10Ajsone
< 1442619211 122743 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No Raptor Zone? Natural Rhinoceros Zoo? fungot?
< 1442619211 338663 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i find there is no
< 1442619221 120385 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, so the no raptor zone it is.
< 1442619798 262416 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a random variable with the best distribution.
< 1442619829 59154 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/File:Rnz100.svg
< 1442619866 610498 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Many natural processes are well approximated by the rnz distribution. (Disclaimer: lie.)
< 1442619918 277156 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's used in a nasty perverse roguelike. it's a direct manifestation from the RNG. it's an EVIL distribution!
< 1442620222 752379 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442620703 365640 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric : I guess I should ask coppro.
< 1442620713 110989 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: What's with rnz()?
< 1442620778 580692 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442620829 674396 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net NICK :hppavilion[1]
< 1442620854 766564 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hellu
< 1442620950 55496 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got a Stare AST with a hand-crank executer working :)
< 1442621143 701619 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's obviously japanese: rapotoro no zono, which confusingly means it _is_ a raptor zone hth
< 1442621413 211404 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442621448 158096 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure pikhq can confirm
< 1442621507 248721 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is incredibly obviously JApanese.
< 1442621558 470099 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: 確認しらないでください
< 1442621840 110087 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sorry, i was slightly incorrect, it's actually raputoru no zōn, or ラプトル のゾーン
< 1442621889 455475 :APic!apic@apic.name JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442621906 602137 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*-
< 1442622280 538264 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-
< 1442622315 358469 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :x :- y, z
< 1442622358 431270 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavellon[1]. this is prolog.
< 1442622386 399013 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I haven't a clue
< 1442622409 194540 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: hppavilion[1] is doing weird logical things.
< 1442622409 560412 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: ' ' for every y". that's why i rarely use it. also, whatever the student doesn’t have to provide evidence. please quote the title of the 2008 south ossetia war talk page is archived, then it can be still viewed on fnord keith binney user:keith binneykeith binney ( user talk:keith binneytalk) 06:15, 15 july 2007 ( utc)
< 1442622453 239275 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: I /am/ buying a copy of To Mock a Mockingbird for kindle
< 1442622466 598610 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it expensive?
< 1442622488 525143 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :$13
< 1442622505 798466 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is actually the most expensive one available (paperback is $7.39)
< 1442622513 890305 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I were to run a store
< 1442622521 820470 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would charge complex dollars
< 1442622641 421334 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to curb my book acquisition. my backlog growth rate is exceeding my reading decay rate...
< 1442622646 760224 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"How much is this?" "That would be $17+2i"
< 1442622655 820122 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :True fact.
< 1442622663 958782 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(says the guy who just bought the current Humble Book Bundle right now.)
< 1442622691 159075 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1442622693 127368 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :would you rather pay 3 + 1i$, or 5 - 3i$?
< 1442622709 127684 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442622769 493031 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know
< 1442622790 640106 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: 3+1i, as the 1i can just be dropped
< 1442622797 101170 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :3<5
< 1442622806 471016 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :BOOLEAN DOLLARS
< 1442622816 298612 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"That would be $True"
< 1442622825 945254 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :COMPLEX BOOLEAN DOLLARS
< 1442622835 899832 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :x xor-with-carry y
< 1442622839 775598 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :AKA addition
< 1442622907 531200 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :$True doesn't typecheck with my brain.
< 1442622945 102657 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: Everyone knows the American Economy is weak/dynamic typed
< 1442622953 285443 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was looking at a thing related to Euston station in Maps, and due to an attack of sillines typed "euston, we have a problem" -- #1 is reasonable, but wasn't expecting #2: https://googledrive.com/host/0B4J9OAzXNfZAYjQxai11SE1fdm8
< 1442622969 532790 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least it's trying to help.
< 1442622999 330804 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously 3+1i$ is much less than 5-3i$
< 1442623016 802943 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: $2 less, to be exact
< 1442623040 530017 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mornington Crescent!
< 1442623042 982969 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you could use the norm
< 1442623059 477737 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: What's the norm again? Algebra II student here
< 1442623075 622111 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously real and imaginary parts represent two currencies that are _not_ completely interconvertible hth
< 1442623086 741345 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: yes, but that'd imply a loss of information by mapping back to Q from C.
< 1442623103 201952 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :15_Truei
< 1442623105 716110 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: so?
< 1442623107 764266 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/_/_/
< 1442623116 835787 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*s/_/+/
< 1442623148 255252 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: then it becomes unconfusing money, which isn't interesting.
< 1442623160 100446 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1442623172 290778 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: purely for statistical purposes, how öld are you?
< 1442623215 845578 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: ...
< 1442623220 447526 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :STRANGER DANGER
< 1442623221 750841 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :14
< 1442623232 407642 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I'm not a very good datapoint
< 1442623259 607939 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although capitalism probably implies there will be _some_ conversion price.
< 1442623296 957378 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not stranger.
< 1442623328 953088 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're at the vanguard of a booming market of complex money changers.
< 1442623673 988492 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then some douchebag introduces Sedenions to the world of money
< 1442623675 949773 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey guys
< 1442623683 671592 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if we started using Sedenion money?
< 1442623825 346413 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is something I won't be put with at up.
< 1442623861 442251 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: FILIBUSTER CHICKEN
< 1442624421 164079 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], sedenions are too useless even for mathematicians, so... not much
< 1442624447 699886 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1442624481 877655 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ACHOO*
< 1442624556 944673 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What kind of thing can use units of square money? (I don't mean money which is shaped like square)
< 1442624626 606453 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay
< 1442624631 117887 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just bought TMAMB
< 1442625059 441384 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is what?
< 1442625063 183286 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Quit: Leaving
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< 1442625102 258518 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Man And My Bucket
< 1442625675 214131 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE MAN AND MAH BUKKIT
< 1442625678 944076 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No
< 1442625684 229324 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :To Mock a Mockingbird
< 1442625751 137568 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't really like that book
< 1442625805 371797 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're a bad person
< 1442625807 446098 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD
< 1442625870 60690 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDream
< 1442625901 934632 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently iOS 9 is adding a back button. And there goes one of the reasons I'm sometimes tempted to look at iPhones. Unless maybe iOS back is implemented better than Android?
< 1442625939 677698 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's wrong with androids back button?
< 1442625965 889267 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's total nonsense.
< 1442625972 767848 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how so?
< 1442625986 35077 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't go back to the last thing you were doing, sometimes it will go back in the application you just switched to via notification
< 1442626018 413758 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it almost always does what i expect it to do
< 1442626037 355984 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :including going back to the last thing i was doing
< 1442626052 567617 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It felt as if I was being teased because it talked about them as black boxes, while my thought was "what is the point of a box if not to look inside". I'm probably a descendant of pandora.
< 1442626135 333480 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it does stupid things it is because of apps that don't use the default action paradigm
< 1442626144 855872 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :skype for example sucks at that manner
< 1442626157 501411 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname, YouTube is a Google app
< 1442626175 73323 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As is Gmail
< 1442626182 305857 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's wrong with youtubes back button behaviour?
< 1442626188 582837 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's the default action paradigm sucks
< 1442626197 928745 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it goes back your video watching history perfectly fine
< 1442626214 582833 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is exactly what i expect
< 1442626214 866965 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHat if you wanted to go to what you were doing before, not within the YouTube app?
< 1442626259 850041 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"For example, when a notification takes the user to an activity deep in your app hierarchy, you should add activities into your task's back stack so that pressing Back navigates up the app hierarchy instead of exiting the app."
< 1442626266 519779 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should do that if you are at the start of the youtube history
< 1442626287 525721 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-092-072-164-084.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
< 1442626290 377174 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :<コ:彡
< 1442626290 716462 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname, but if a notification popped up linking me to a video, I don't want to go back to youtube history if I'm done with the video
< 1442626299 50466 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :etc. with Gmail
< 1442626313 686243 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't, because there is no history then
< 1442626352 112881 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i open any link in connectbot in any app and press back there i will get back to connectbot
< 1442626352 825913 :Melvar`!~melvar@dslb-092-072-177-233.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442626360 339561 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perfectly fine
< 1442626433 606900 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-164-084.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
< 1442626447 262863 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it even works perfectly fine with multiwindow here
< 1442626596 219556 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am now in reddit is fun. I get a notification about a new email. I open it, read the email. I press back, and it goes to my inbox (?!). I press back again, and I finally get back to reddit is fun
< 1442626803 33530 :Melvar``!~melvar@dslb-178-004-078-127.178.004.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1442631379 61743 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1442631645 542416 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Niiiiite
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< 1442632419 418651 :bender|!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442633458 190806 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442633558 893730 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does the.... [ combinator do?
< 1442633673 430324 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, is there a combinator like that?
< 1442633875 491418 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Why do you have all these nicks?
< 1442633885 359725 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: why not?
< 1442633973 934050 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 NICK :\oren\
< 1442634014 996983 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 NICK :oren
< 1442634019 168068 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 NICK :\oren\
< 1442634749 480660 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you good at Dungeons&Dragons game?
< 1442634939 64874 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1442635309 781121 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The _first round_ of getting my data off my dead harddrive will take around 3.5 days..."
< 1442635332 244524 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I... don't know where I got that number from. At least I have a date for when I started researching this
< 1442635354 567006 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know why it would take that long. Nor where that HD went....
< 1442635380 93246 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is the capacity of the dead harddrive?
< 1442635469 778492 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In my case it was the CPU that stopped working, rather than the harddrive, which still works and is now in a bag to label it and protect it from dust; I remove it when I need to copy some of the files from it
< 1442635488 246199 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I haven't played for ~15 years.
< 1442635515 625248 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1442635626 85815 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: What characters you have made up and what version and are you any good at it?
< 1442635634 594359 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am working on a 8 by 8 version of my font
< 1442635651 41203 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I was pretty young, and it was in Hebrew.
< 1442635665 637719 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was an after-school thing in elementary school.
< 1442635684 290617 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I didn't come up with a name for my character, so the person running it gave it an interim name.
< 1442635710 125212 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps the interim name was "Niagara".
< 1442635786 18234 :digitalcold!~redacted@192.73.232.206 QUIT :Changing host
< 1442635786 207605 :digitalcold!~redacted@unaffiliated/digitalcold JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442635815 76339 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes but what detail of character? Even if you did not write the name then you must have made up the other stuff
< 1442635833 471730 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it was probably a wizard.
< 1442635839 220419 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I'm guessing Chaotic Evil.
< 1442635853 445389 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or at least I initially wanted to be Chaotic Evil. Someone might've dissuaded me.
< 1442635878 892103 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember casting a sleep spell and then killing a bunch of monsters -- goblins? -- with a dagger while they were asleep.
< 1442635906 512070 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And there was some sort of object -- altar? table? it might've been made of stone -- that we needed to destroy or something, though we didn't know that at the time.
< 1442635913 871715 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think we needed to destroy it with some sort of special hammer.
< 1442636113 354892 :jameseb!~jameseb_@runciman.hacksoc.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
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< 1442636184 905643 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are many spells that can be used to destroy stuff made of stone too but you might not necessarily have any such spells. And there would be other ways to do it that do not involve any magic.
< 1442636338 600389 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442636343 548234 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :NEW SCIENCE WORD TIME
< 1442636360 553896 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pancakification: What happens to you as you fall into a White Hole
< 1442636391 779978 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442636710 206177 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know much about White Hole?
< 1442636779 866211 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've heard it's just like a time-reversed black hole.
< 1442636871 451770 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442638120 729533 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well then shouldnt people fall out of it, rather than in?
< 1442638950 432043 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: fizzieL \oren\: It's basically a region in space where you can never enter, but can leave.
< 1442638976 109582 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: It was some special important thing.
< 1442639001 874701 :rodgort!~rodgort@105.ip-167-114-152.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1442639043 187673 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is RPN Combinatory Logic a thing?
< 1442639078 772297 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to guess no, as there's no way to distinguish the "operators" (combinators) from the "operands" (combinators (case and point))
< 1442639110 713238 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not without parenthesis or an argument count argument, at least
< 1442639127 452121 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(*parenthesis)?
< 1442639682 521192 :bender|!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 NICK :bender
< 1442639768 26159 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1442639771 125306 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi bender
< 1442639775 521680 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net NICK :hppavilion1
< 1442639776 876716 :bender!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1442639780 705377 :hppavilion1!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net NICK :hppavilion[1]
< 1442639799 561490 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So RPN Combinatory Logic is /not/ a thing, correct?
< 1442639869 235952 :bender!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What?
< 1442640150 386417 :rodgort!~rodgort@105.ip-167-114-152.net JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1442641273 335888 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bender: RPN combinatory logic
< 1442641276 799248 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, the ski calculus
< 1442641281 224025 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In reverse polish notation
< 1442641310 574732 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not?
< 1442641357 358997 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://fontstruct.com/fontstructions/show/1186284 <-- also, I made another font, this one is square
< 1442641375 169100 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: Well RPN works with arithmetic and such because we can distinguish between operators and operands
< 1442641377 660724 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh joy
< 1442641385 126152 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But in Combinatory Logic
< 1442641386 147357 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1442641408 358799 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Operators" and "Operands" (which are /not/ the correct terms) are the same
< 1442641483 155916 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And furthermore, the number of other combinators a combinator accepts can vary (K (S x y) ) vs. (K (S x) y)
< 1442641500 848999 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not so much furthermore as "also"
< 1442641535 223361 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/e/q/ig
< 1442641554 487104 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: What do you have to say to THAT?
< 1442641590 965331 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also, having an RPN combinatory logic where we have an extra syntax where we write the argument count is cheatig)
< 1442641638 532228 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess perhaps "x y S K" would be different from "x y K S". That's probably the solution, now that I think about it.
< 1442641675 946318 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait
< 1442641678 3042 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No
< 1442641695 759924 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The SYA doesn't support variable-length function arguments for a reason
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< 1442641820 526683 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really have no clue what I'm doing xD
< 1442641824 620411 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll just look it up
< 1442641840 588432 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm you could use , and . instead of spaces
< 1442641893 154323 :Thisbe!~Thisbe@2602:306:394b:e110:81fa:9080:93b1:8b28 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442641903 334522 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The internet doesn't know
< 1442641918 553326 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: And how would that help? What would , and . mean?
< 1442642003 915575 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :. would be used as function composition
< 1442642013 168440 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1442642014 567032 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :, would be used to separate arguments
< 1442642017 934362 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah
< 1442642029 181908 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In RPN of course?
< 1442642033 742078 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1442642044 792196 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So how would we define I with SK?
< 1442642086 892896 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :K,K.S
< 1442642135 105113 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1442642153 685970 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um
< 1442642156 512801 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IOW every S expression would be of the form
< 1442642158 504187 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Give me a bit to process that
< 1442642164 301407 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :x,y,z.S
< 1442642189 398897 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK...
< 1442642200 922176 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd probably just be better sticking with normal notation
< 1442642202 931216 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :xFD
< 1442642204 967954 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*xD
< 1442642224 904177 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got a Stare 1.0 interpreter working, BTW
< 1442642233 355011 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have to hand-crank the parser though
< 1442642336 249771 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is, you have to code in a parsed program as a literal
< 1442642617 889141 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Turing Tarpits are easy. Come back when you want to ACTUALLY design a language"
< 1442642817 150993 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, tarpits are nice and all, but pretty much only when they bring something new to the table
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< 1442648451 226726 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :go tell the thousand people that design bf derivates
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< 1442660878 671993 :Melvar`!~melvar@dslb-092-072-165-010.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de NICK :Melvar
< 1442661023 363154 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
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< 1442661857 702571 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1442661953 329133 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think we should have a corewars type game based on aubergine. much lower barrier to entry with many of the same strategies available
< 1442662093 185960 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask boily corewars-clone based on aubergine?
< 1442662093 402550 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1442662145 508645 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you verbs?
< 1442662166 632084 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( damn, let me try that again )
< 1442662169 706630 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :you verbs?
< 1442662180 812028 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::R
< 1442663044 0 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-092-072-165-010.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442663564 181902 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07List of Turing-complete models of computation14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44281&oldid=44274 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (+9) 10/* Turing machines */
< 1442663597 599334 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are no "you verbs"
< 1442663613 1309 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07List of Turing-complete models of computation14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44282&oldid=44281 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (+91) 10/* Turing machines */
< 1442663828 940944 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07List of Turing-complete models of computation14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44283&oldid=44282 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (+94) 10/* Turing machines */
< 1442663902 97650 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: ftr, that started out as "Do you hate verbs?" but some subtleties got lost in the translation into the quintopian language ;)
< 1442664017 836972 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :you cant drop verbs unless they are implied in quintopiese
< 1442664226 186018 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442664713 757013 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-165-010.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where the hell did (&) as reverse function application come from?
< 1442664816 996769 :jameseb!~jameseb_@runciman.hacksoc.org QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in
< 1442664817 214513 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org QUIT :Quit: I seem to have stopped.
< 1442664861 631380 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly from a catamorphism melvar but im no expert
< 1442664947 97227 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://mail.haskell.org/pipermail/libraries/2012-November/018832.html
< 1442664956 686686 :jameseb!~jameseb_@runciman.hacksoc.org JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442664968 237764 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the nae was free to take" seems to have played a significant role
< 1442665003 786529 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-165-010.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :The obvious choice, (#), wasn’t?
< 1442665192 672064 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, lens 3.4: renamed `(%)` to `(&)`; lens 2.9: Renamed `|>` to `%`
< 1442665300 993489 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway none of these names is obvious to me. I've seen code using |> in ML...
< 1442665324 906233 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-165-010.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Certaintly F# uses that operator IIRC.
< 1442665862 584811 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... 'The mnemonic for % is 'mod'ify.'
< 1442666107 355398 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(quoting from https://github.com/ekmett/lens/issues/17) later this happened: https://github.com/ekmett/lens/issues/100 ... Michael Sloane offerse a mnemonic for &: '(&) somewhat naturally suggests "and then" ... "and then"'
< 1442666218 38203 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and edward sums it up here, https://mail.haskell.org/pipermail/libraries/2012-November/018843.html
< 1442666456 151925 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-165-010.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(&) is perfect for reverse *composition*, in my view.
< 1442666496 269463 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-165-010.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :“Another popular color of this bikeshed, (#) as is used in diagrams, interacts very poorly with MagicHash and has a very high precedence that ruins it for most dsl purposes.”
< 1442666504 450346 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-165-010.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why would it ever interact with MagicHash?
< 1442666554 604553 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-165-010.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Moreover, why are you bound to use the same precedence as a given example using the name?
< 1442666960 394702 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442667153 500624 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-165-010.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, a missed opportunity to make sense. I’ll quiet down about it now.
< 1442667393 329201 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
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< 1442667510 336280 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1442670745 10439 :heddwch!heddwch@76.8.3.189 NICK :heddwc
< 1442670826 398711 :heddwc!heddwch@76.8.3.189 NICK :heddwch
< 1442672370 706439 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442672558 790819 :MDream!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDude
< 1442672627 293988 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The current UTF-8 standard is wasteful with the code points now limited to 10FFFF
< 1442672687 479000 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean by "now"?
< 1442672696 589411 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :did they change the standard?
< 1442672748 169221 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :originally you could have code points up to 31 bits
< 1442672768 658883 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now it is 21 bits
< 1442673053 557708 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: blame UTF-16
< 1442673065 909472 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :UTF-8 would support code points up to 31 bits without any problem
< 1442673081 247375 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :upto to 36 bits, actually
< 1442673095 154281 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, without any problem and then some
< 1442673104 662825 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they limited it at first to allow utf-32 to work
< 1442673117 432927 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now they limited it for utf-16
< 1442673143 395242 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :utf-16 - with all the disadvantages of utf-8 and utf-32 combined
< 1442673147 828334 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :One program I wrote uses utf-24
< 1442673154 701654 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least it won't be limited any further now
< 1442673231 143061 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. it does (*(t_int32*)(s+i*3))&0xFFFFFF
< 1442673310 880654 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the lowest 8 bits of the next code point have to be stripped out, but hey it works
< 1442673412 516744 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :utf-24 would be an eminently practical way to transmit data consisting mostly of supernal plane characters
< 1442673489 489409 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. emoji languages
< 1442673511 944239 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\helloren\.
< 1442673513 946932 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :supernal?
< 1442673516 708455 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@massages-loud
< 1442673516 886668 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia asked 3h 10m 23s ago: corewars-clone based on aubergine?
< 1442673539 875706 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell quintopia Ō_Ō holy fungot that is one froody idea!
< 1442673540 53697 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1442673540 231753 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: let's try to get the answers from biologists," he says. " these people used bin's power, authority and facilities to carry out this operation."
< 1442673576 634863 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote let's try to get the answers from biologists," he says. " these people used bin's power, authority and facilities to carry out this operation."
< 1442673576 813122 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: justin returns annually to alsace where he if fnord as the fnord
< 1442673578 332352 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1254) let's try to get the answers from biologists," he says. " these people used bin's power, authority and facilities to carry out this operation."
< 1442673610 373598 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :supernal plane is from Mage: The Awakening
< 1442673614 25184 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: I don't really care about what Justin does. I'm still gonna vote for my local NDP deputee.
< 1442673635 141248 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: tmyk tdh
< 1442673706 709347 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am planning on flipping a coin and voting either red or orange depending
< 1442673742 101191 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :noooooooooooooo!
< 1442673753 383634 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because canadiane politics is supremely boring
< 1442673773 371421 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :red bad. orange good. orange is your friend. oraaaaaaaange.
< 1442673818 681428 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which one is going to refund the CBC?
< 1442673831 315914 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want my damn hockey broadcasts
< 1442673846 744422 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/refund/re-fund/
< 1442673888 433611 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: it is hard to do better than UTF-8. you *can* lower the average bytes for each code point but not that much. let's keep ASCII compatibility and reassign x lead bytes and y cont. bytes (x+y=128); then some code points will get 4-byte sequence as the minimum of x*y^2 = 310 675 << 2^21.
< 1442673889 93875 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it's the orange. orange then
< 1442673906 513040 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2^20*
< 1442673927 56864 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style
< 1442673927 234946 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack oots pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp* youtube
< 1442673933 367354 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style wp
< 1442673933 545270 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: wp (1/256th of all Wikipedia "Talk:" namespace pages)
< 1442673944 751597 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: chelloppro. as a fellow canuck, any political persuasions we should be aware of?
< 1442673946 873706 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: yeah but for most languages you want to skew it heavily to make the BMP chars shorter
< 1442673957 313972 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: L
< 1442673972 787001 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :federally, at any rate
< 1442674005 756557 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: the minimum of x*y = 4 096, so the resulting distribution will be heavily skewed (even when there are 2^16 code points you have to assign many of them 3-byte sequences)
< 1442674200 919576 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm what if we assigned the currently unused chars to make particular sets of 3-byte chars 2-bytes
< 1442674278 384313 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like F5, we could assign to make hiragana. and F6 to katakana
< 1442674350 22526 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also the system leaves many, many sequences invalid which could be used
< 1442674499 806738 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll have to think about this
< 1442674636 171707 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe it'll only create a mess similar to Shift-JIS.
< 1442674792 866721 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shift-jis is only a mes because of 0xx and 1xx bytes being used in wide char encodings
< 1442674822 887012 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no reason to discard a whole range of sequences of high-bit bytes
< 1442675042 367784 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm they limited Unicode?
< 1442675048 145401 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Silly
< 1442675072 798640 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many unallocated code points are left now?
< 1442675102 594750 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\, ^
< 1442675231 139320 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :993375
< 1442675256 733885 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :0xF285F in hex
< 1442675260 490424 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that many
< 1442675510 934610 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, still a while until we run out then
< 1442675589 989270 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\, I think we should use UTF-32 instead. If you are worried about space usage, just zlib it or something
< 1442675603 568759 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least for data storage and transfer that makes sense
< 1442675612 273490 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe not for processing though
< 1442675716 875752 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A trivial encoding like "one 2xx byte followed by one or more 3xx bytes" would give us 2 bytes for points up to 0x1000 and three bytes for points up to 0x40000
< 1442675781 670995 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :octal, I suppose
< 1442675787 927760 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeas octal
< 1442675841 176574 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it woukd give india a treat by making devanagari only 2 bytes each
< 1442675876 899912 :MercurialHg!~Mercurial@94.123.192.149 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442675886 865426 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\, again, why does it matter? zlib is going to do a better job anyway
< 1442675898 10426 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: ah, but that wouldn't be self-delimiting; you need to look ahead in order to figure out whether a character was fully transmitted.
< 1442675905 15255 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal = word processing
< 1442675934 122943 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or more abstractly, it's not a prefix code)
< 1442675948 624310 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: yes. but transmission codes provide delimiters anyway
< 1442675953 89783 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\, wouldn't UTF-32 be a better in memory representation anyway? That way characters are fixed with
< 1442675997 239421 :MercurialHg!~Mercurial@94.123.192.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what should i add to my esolang
< 1442676011 667397 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :MercurialHg, balanced ternary
< 1442676012 233026 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but do you really want to decode/reencode everying in every sed, grep etc implementation?
< 1442676020 957013 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I have no idea what sort of language it is)
< 1442676032 839639 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\, okay, that makes sense
< 1442676067 17372 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\, though actually you don't need to: gzip -d foo.gz | grep | sed | gzip -
< 1442676082 717584 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Assuming everything is UTF-32 anyway
< 1442676107 853462 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the same problem. you end up with a lot of extra processing
< 1442676131 948965 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :True
< 1442676194 636487 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh I get it, you thought by word processing I meant like MS Word. whoops
< 1442676246 11263 :MercurialHg!~Mercurial@94.123.192.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what should be name of my bot?
< 1442676248 53706 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\, emacs, stuff like that
< 1442676250 194325 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant like you have a big file of CSV or JSON or whatnot and you want to process it
< 1442676341 666792 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ideally for such process (which could happen on a server request) you should be able to do it very fast.
< 1442676382 482005 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and with very little memory
< 1442676425 195103 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\, though HTTP is increasily zlibed these days
< 1442676553 402243 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :assholes using a million cross-site mega-cookies, probably.
< 1442676582 837401 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1442676605 482216 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :MercurialHg: ytterbot.
< 1442676632 299633 :MercurialHg!~Mercurial@94.123.192.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lithium?
< 1442676676 450506 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm with boily
< 1442676693 191246 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :MercurialHg, It should be called SubversionSvn
< 1442676693 979564 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you don't get that you don't deserve to name bots after elements hth
< 1442676716 889044 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily, yes that is a very neat name
< 1442676729 441384 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :praseodymbot
< 1442676753 170421 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, which ones was it again... Scandium, Yttrium, Yterbium, and some other I forgot the name of, right?
< 1442676762 808980 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erbium
< 1442676766 123034 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah
< 1442676798 371166 :villasukka!villasukka@aulis.sange.fi QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
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< 1442676835 746266 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\, oh and Terbium too
< 1442676861 572197 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :And holmium and thulium
< 1442676862 688728 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow
< 1442676882 545772 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently not Scandium though
< 1442676965 988978 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not?
< 1442676992 805845 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :According to wikipedia indeed not
< 1442676997 591664 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :"At a quarry and mine near the village, the rare earth mineral yttria was discovered and named after the village. This crude mineral eventually proved to be the source of four new elements that were named after the mineral ore and the village. These elements are yttrium (Y), erbium (Er), terbium (Tb), and ytterbium (Yb)[1] and were first described in 1794, 1842, 1842, and 1878, respectively. In 1989 the
< 1442676997 769616 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: OPINION CHICKEN
< 1442676997 769665 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : ASM International society installed a plaque at the former entrance to the mine, commemorating the mine as a historical landmark.[2]
< 1442676997 769724 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :In addition, three other lanthanides, holmium (Ho, named after Stockholm), thulium (Tm, named after Thule, a mythic analog of Scandinavia), and gadolinium (Gd, after the chemist Johan Gadolin) can trace their discovery to the same quarry.[3]"
< 1442677026 417605 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh the quarry
< 1442677027 991916 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Scandium is not in the list
< 1442677040 662949 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, yes, what were you talking about?
< 1442677047 116296 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought you were just naming elements named after scandinavian places
< 1442677051 123210 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, no
< 1442677076 796532 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have written a SQLite extension to parse JSON (based on PDJSON, with one bug fixed), so that is one way to process big file of JSON by using a database, if you would need to.
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< 1442677483 550627 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: the article on Scandium itself is intriguing, though. it *was* extracted from gadolinite. it's not a lantanoid, though.
< 1442677708 997142 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, ah
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< 1442678827 776133 :bender!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 QUIT :Quit: [you can't stop this one: REKKKKT REKKT REKT!]
< 1442679750 256462 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask hppavilion[1] So RPN Combinatory Logic is /not/ a thing, correct? <-- does unlambda with the grammar in reverse count?
< 1442679750 434947 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1442679824 803998 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell hppavilion[1] i.e. si`i`si`i`` or even iis``iis```
< 1442679825 18948 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1442679953 660396 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell hppavilion[1] And furthermore, the number of other combinators a combinator accepts can vary (K (S x y) ) vs. (K (S x) y) <-- that's just currying
< 1442679953 838379 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
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< 1442681049 381248 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Melvar Why would it ever interact with MagicHash? <-- if MagicHash is on, it's often mandatory to put space before it when using it as an operator.
< 1442681049 598398 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1442681072 485452 :edwardk!sid47016@haskell/developer/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: (|>) has the wrong semiotics in haskell. it seems related to (<|>). (%) conflicted with Data.Ratio, which rather upset a number of folks.
< 1442681100 307549 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe NICK :newbottomman
< 1442681106 88001 :newbottomman!nortti@ayu.smar.moe NICK :nortti
< 1442681107 994047 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and |> is used in Data.Sequence
< 1442681133 849447 :edwardk!sid47016@haskell/developer/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: that is why those went away and (&) which has the benefit of being shorter than (|>), being unpaired due to (|) being taken by syntax, and being more or less unused because of confusion about and and or operators won
< 1442681168 978263 :edwardk!sid47016@haskell/developer/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yitz offered up (&) and i had no reason to prefer (%) over it other than stubbornness and i switched
< 1442681192 777881 :edwardk!sid47016@haskell/developer/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so the 'and...' sequencing mnemonic had the benefit that someone might guess it
< 1442681299 969256 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (|>)
< 1442681301 757989 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Snoc s s a a => s -> a -> s
< 1442681318 804815 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (0$0|>)
< 1442681320 691498 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : The operator ‘|>’ [infixl 5] of a section
< 1442681320 869558 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : must have lower precedence than that of the operand,
< 1442681320 869612 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : namely ‘$’ [infixr 0]
< 1442681325 197916 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn
< 1442681374 71553 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-165-010.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Surely you’re going to put a space before it anyway in all cases.
< 1442681411 85761 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: well _some_ people might not. they might want to chain it like . especially if using lens
< 1442681540 680648 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-165-010.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :My own opinion is that (&) should have been reverse composition because of the and-then mnemonic. So “foo . bar . baz $ x” flips into “x # baz & bar & foo”.
< 1442681575 644339 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-165-010.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION shrugs.
< 1442681584 981385 :edwardk!sid47016@haskell/developer/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: we already have the noisier operator (>>>) for that
< 1442681589 68609 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :my own opinion is that haskell sacked its syntax czar too early.
< 1442681593 508478 :edwardk!sid47016@haskell/developer/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :but (&) didn't have a name
< 1442681598 82322 :edwardk!sid47016@haskell/developer/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION shrugs.
< 1442681621 992632 :edwardk!sid47016@haskell/developer/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :a shorter (>>>) would have been useless to me and i'd have wound up taking (%) or something for this purpose anyways.
< 1442681644 472322 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (&=)
< 1442681646 91395 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: ‘&=’
< 1442681646 269782 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Perhaps you meant one of these:
< 1442681646 269833 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : ‘&&’ (imported from Data.Bool), ‘/=’ (imported from Data.Eq),
< 1442681650 349122 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-165-010.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm.
< 1442681651 835473 :edwardk!sid47016@haskell/developer/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (&~)
< 1442681653 771084 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :s -> State s a -> s
< 1442681665 293542 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :edwardk: now _that
< 1442681669 724422 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :'s_ inconsistent.
< 1442681690 832840 :edwardk!sid47016@haskell/developer/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (1,2) &~ do _1 %= 1; _2 *= 200
< 1442681693 772215 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (Show t0)
< 1442681693 950514 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from a use of ‘show_M724657678350748221816791’
< 1442681693 950562 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : The type variable ‘t0’ is ambiguous
< 1442681744 368851 :edwardk!sid47016@haskell/developer/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (1,2) &~ do _1 += 1; _2 *= 200
< 1442681747 125859 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : (2,400)
< 1442681763 236233 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-165-010.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :( :let instance Category (\a,b => a -> b) where id = Basics.id; (.) = Basics.(.)
< 1442681763 417146 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-092-072-165-010.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :defined
< 1442681777 233218 :edwardk!sid47016@haskell/developer/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :&~ is inconsistent, because there is no operator & that takes a coherent type for its second argument and the result.
< 1442681783 885005 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :edwardk: pretty sure %~ and %= "should" have been &~ and &= if redoing this stuff
< 1442681786 99073 :edwardk!sid47016@haskell/developer/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it falls into a lexical gap
< 1442681817 247819 :edwardk!sid47016@haskell/developer/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you have hit on what % originally was 'mod', and why those had those names
< 1442681833 508894 :edwardk!sid47016@haskell/developer/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :but we kept the %~ and %= names
< 1442681835 71847 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i did rid the mailing list link above
< 1442681838 803223 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*read
< 1442681844 265207 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-165-010.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :( :t Category.(.) (*2) (+1)
< 1442681844 443590 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-092-072-165-010.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't resolve type class 12Category cat
< 1442681960 644944 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :edwardk: there ought to be alphanumeric versions of <%~ and <<%~
< 1442681970 856062 :edwardk!sid47016@haskell/developer/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1442681976 667050 :edwardk!sid47016@haskell/developer/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh as combinators?
< 1442681981 203222 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1442681993 403675 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're like a gap in the alphanumeric style
< 1442681994 490749 :edwardk!sid47016@haskell/developer/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh, you can write them easily enough directly just by picking f = (,) a
< 1442682013 746126 :edwardk!sid47016@haskell/developer/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :the combinators do not try to offer everything the operators do
< 1442682023 285625 :edwardk!sid47016@haskell/developer/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :the names get too verbose and messy too quickly
< 1442682023 695113 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1442682029 928645 :edwardk!sid47016@haskell/developer/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :the operators have a nice concise morphology
< 1442682038 341812 :edwardk!sid47016@haskell/developer/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :for those with religious objections to operators they can roll their own
< 1442682051 33736 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i understand not translating any other base operators than % and sometimes .
< 1442682081 164867 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i'm thinking maybe every "%" operator should have one
< 1442682098 616977 :edwardk!sid47016@haskell/developer/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :decided just not to climb this slippery slope =)
< 1442682105 437582 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY
< 1442682119 891216 :edwardk!sid47016@haskell/developer/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have no idea how many bikeshedding requests in different directions like that i get every day about lens
< 1442682134 734549 :edwardk!sid47016@haskell/developer/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :so my apathy here is a result of having been worn down to a nub ;)
< 1442682154 843076 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@wn nub
< 1442682156 266955 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :*** "nub" wn "WordNet (r) 3.0 (2006)"
< 1442682156 445055 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :nub
< 1442682156 445125 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : n 1: a small lump or protuberance [syn: {nub}, {nubble}]
< 1442682156 445150 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2: a small piece; "a nub of coal"; "a stub of a pencil" [syn:
< 1442682156 445169 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : {nub}, {stub}]
< 1442682158 198214 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :[7 @more lines]
< 1442682195 579106 :edwardk!sid47016@haskell/developer/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :> nub [1,2,3,3,3,3,2,1,4]
< 1442682197 771686 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1,2,3,4]
< 1442682495 334617 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@more
< 1442682566 981972 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ACHOO*
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< 1442682896 308670 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :haneb
< 1442683089 629821 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Helloerjan?
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< 1442684088 22383 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-165-010.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :( :t nub
< 1442684088 202449 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-092-072-165-010.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :09Prelude.List.nub : 12Eq 13a => 12List 13a -> 12List 13a
< 1442684088 202542 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-092-072-165-010.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :09Data.Vect.nub : 12Eq 13a => 12Vect 13n 13a -> 12(13p : 12Nat 12** 12Vect 13p 13a12)
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< 1442687750 31594 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hellu
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< 1442689230 207389 :heddwch!heddwch@76.8.3.189 NICK :sikin
< 1442689246 708625 :sikin!heddwch@76.8.3.189 NICK :heddwch
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< 1442690154 540511 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was this restaurant once which served brined salmon. One day, some inspectors came in and found that there wasn't enough lighting to illuminate the salmon sufficiently.
< 1442690162 528181 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :The restaurant was fined for lax lox lux.
< 1442690825 302460 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :LULZ
< 1442690840 921340 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO CLUE WHAT "LOX" IS BUT I ASSUME IT'S SALMON SO LULZ
< 1442690853 397456 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Brined salmon, specifically)
< 1442690855 53633 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(lulz)
< 1442690912 44908 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Lox" is, indeed, brined salmon.
< 1442691154 737039 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zipf's law is cooooooooooooool
< 1442691235 452085 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
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< 1442693209 731301 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages-loud
< 1442693209 909277 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily said 5h 27m 49s ago: Ō_Ō holy fungot that is one froody idea!
< 1442693240 570662 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :HAPAX LEGOMENON
< 1442693258 980722 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's even more freudy than it is froody
< 1442693270 31305 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah vsauce can be good sometimes
< 1442693295 928538 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should get my Stare parser up and running...
< 1442693485 394103 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell boily aubergine+unconditional fork. (first argument=target of first process, second=target of second?)
< 1442693485 572564 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
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< 1442693582 290467 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I've installed Mozilla Lightbeam, but I don't really know what this stuff means.
< 1442693591 229029 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I make a Combinatory Logic playground?
< 1442693619 593363 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and/or programming lanuage?
< 1442693633 960170 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Presumably circles are sites I've visited. What are the triangles? Apparently they're sites I've "connected with"; does that mean sites I've made an HTTP connection to?
< 1442693642 415313 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes (unless you have something else to do)
< 1442693715 66535 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1442693721 215672 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :And what's the difference between a white line and a purple line?
< 1442693732 473232 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'll be a language that generally supports Combinatory Logic AND has some bonus features
< 1442693778 964025 :TieSoul!~quassel@2a02:a448:4a62:0:548d:2bb6:e105:b48e QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1442693785 738460 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK you can do that, see what bonus feature and also the other details.
< 1442693861 396801 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'll just use Jay Conrod's parser combinator library...
< 1442693866 708012 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For my Stare language
< 1442693877 914608 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to finish Stare 1.0 interpreter before starting something else
< 1442694086 427674 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah
< 1442694094 788521 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll go to make my Combinator Playground
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< 1442694594 471498 :llue!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu QUIT :Quit: That's what she said
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< 1442694629 701651 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yuy
< 1442694635 523205 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lexer is working perfectly
< 1442694651 424240 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Luckily, I wrote a lexer design library a while back that allows lexers to be made with a single object
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< 1442695040 544814 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does that one work?
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< 1442695616 981083 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: How does what one work?
< 1442695632 440008 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, can the Y combinator be defined in SK, or do I need to make it builtin?
< 1442695664 556017 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lexer design library
< 1442695689 873840 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah
< 1442695698 796606 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically, you import UtopiaLexer
< 1442695704 101209 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Create a lexer() object
< 1442695733 619807 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then call lexer().add_token_expr(regex_string, tag) along with a few other optional arguments (transformation functions, slicing, etc.
< 1442695735 428351 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :)
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< 1442695774 219559 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, you can define the Y combinator. Let's see.
< 1442695783 745055 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1442695823 609000 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to figure out how to implement the S combinator in python, given an object that only has two variables: self.comb and self.arg
< 1442695834 942787 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I call a function called combinator.eval(combinators)
< 1442695843 254136 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it has to do some stuff
< 1442695876 185432 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And come up with S x y z = x z (y z)
< 1442695886 714093 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :\f. (\x. f (x x)) (\x. f (x x)), that becomes \f. (S (K f) (S I I)) (S (K f) (S I I)), which in turn becomes...
< 1442695942 78286 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something pukeworthy, I'm sure...
< 1442696006 253537 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: so what are self.comb and self.arg?
< 1442696052 808428 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: I have a class called CombinatorExp. When initialized, it takes two arguments: comb (combinator) and argument. I save those two variables to the class.
< 1442696081 701022 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Later, I call CombinatorExp.eval(combinators), where combinators is a map telling the thing what non-SK combinators mean what
< 1442696092 652362 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it's the K combinator, I return self.arg
< 1442696110 837363 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it's the S combinator, well, that's what I'm trying to implement.
< 1442696134 889120 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Else, if it's a non-primitive combinator, I evaluate that index of the combinators dictionary
< 1442696139 172467 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And return its result
< 1442696142 252014 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION nods.
< 1442696163 915467 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, currently, it sounds like a CombinatorExp can only represent an expression of the form (x y), where x is a combinator.
< 1442696173 979962 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if x isn't a combinator? What if it's another expression?
< 1442696266 286681 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CombinatorExp IS an expression
< 1442696281 664449 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just fixed it for if you don't give it an argument
< 1442696313 140186 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :All right. Suppose that D, E, and F are combinators. How do you represent the expression (D E) F?
< 1442696365 493009 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`CombinatorExp(CombinatorExp('D', 'E'), CombinatorExp('F', None))` I believe
< 1442696366 140954 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: CombinatorExp(CombinatorExp('D',: not found
< 1442696370 349506 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoops
< 1442696376 275015 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Forgot about hackbot
< 1442696398 170131 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well that might be a problem, now that I think about it
< 1442696407 573003 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it sounds like self.comb can be a letter, but it doesn't have to be.
< 1442696489 476924 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: https://github.com/ZodiacWorkingGroup/Combinatory-Logic-Playground/blob/master/AST.py
< 1442696496 427420 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's my AST library
< 1442696595 904805 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, here's how I'd approach it.
< 1442696599 885233 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm still fixing things
< 1442696602 830128 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Go on
< 1442696612 672945 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Start with an abstract class called Expression. Make every type of expression a subclass of Expression.
< 1442696617 397267 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1442696638 537636 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're talking about Haskell right?
< 1442696654 588896 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :So one initial thought is to have two subclasses, ApplyExpression and CombinatorExpression.
< 1442696667 993676 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: I'm using python, because haskell is hard
< 1442696679 774630 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :ApplyExpression contains two sub-expressions. CombinatorExpression contains a letter.
< 1442696695 337563 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Haskell is really well-suited to this.
< 1442696723 581682 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: I know, but that's been done
< 1442696764 700090 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would use Haskell, but... well, I don't have a good reason.
< 1442696773 32684 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm doing it this way because I feel like it xD
< 1442696959 804482 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Go on...
< 1442696989 113156 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :All right.
< 1442696998 295904 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Expression has two abstract methods, eval() and apply().
< 1442697013 567664 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :For ApplyExpression, eval() works by just calling apply() on its two sub-expressions.
< 1442697025 789158 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interesting...
< 1442697045 866483 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :And apply() works by, um... I'll have to think about that.
< 1442697091 864018 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I have so far should work, unless it's broken by the s combinator
< 1442697100 267141 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :For CombinatorExpression, eval() usually just makes the object return itself. (Expression objects should be immutable, by the way.)
< 1442697113 391397 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
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< 1442697124 952445 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm using python, so... not sure if that's possible
< 1442697130 701052 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll just avoid muting things xD
< 1442697152 162376 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :self.apply(arg) adds arg to the argument list of self, and then, if self has enough arguments in its argument list, it constructs a new expression as appropriate and returns that.
< 1442697176 283711 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :And when I say it adds arg to the argument list of self, by "self", I mean "a copy of self".
< 1442697186 646656 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something along those lines.
< 1442697212 232931 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1442697247 981809 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I ALSO have eval() and apply() accept an argument of type map that maps combinator names to expressions, just so you can define new combinators programmatically
< 1442697265 249089 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :For ApplyExpression, self.apply(arg) should pretty much return self.eval().apply(arg), since eval() should never return an ApplyExpression.
< 1442697287 748026 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah?
< 1442697320 846054 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, "eval() should never return an ApplyExpression" is sort of a self-imposed rule.
< 1442697366 876073 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :The reason I'm suggesting imposing it is that we can consider ApplyExpressions to be "unevaluated", and eval() shouldn't return an unevaluated expression.
< 1442697384 718861 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a feeling I'm going to end up with code I can't understand by the time I'm done xD
< 1442697666 187309 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still don't know what I'm doing xD
< 1442697705 176050 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lemme see here.
< 1442697739 392342 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should probably document what I want
< 1442697761 58852 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks like your K is actually I.
< 1442697786 982965 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :In any case, let me see if I can suggest a gradual series of small changes.
< 1442697823 577862 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want:
< 1442697823 844298 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :* S and K combinators to work
< 1442697824 22709 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : * For this to work, I need to make S accept its 3 arguments
< 1442697824 22825 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :* New combinators to be definable with =
< 1442697824 22864 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : * Defined combinators to accept multiple arguments (via currying) like S does
< 1442697835 508535 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those are my 4 goals
< 1442697862 977722 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, 3 goals if we exclude 1.2
< 1442697882 876475 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, if we assume that 2.2 is a subgoal, 2 goals and 1 subgoal
< 1442697898 895403 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, my idea is to say that an expression of the form, say, (S x) or (S x y) is represented by a CombinatorExpression.
< 1442697909 826303 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1442697924 284104 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that means that CombinatorExpression is going to have a self.args attribute.
< 1442697932 441479 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And self.args is going to be a list?
< 1442697936 757465 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep.
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< 1442697954 512546 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think that's combinatory though... But I can do it
< 1442698011 973623 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another option is to replace CombinatorExpression with six other classes: SExpression, S1Expression, S2Expression, KExpression, K1Expression, and IExpression.
< 1442698033 592984 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought of that
< 1442698038 160590 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which represent, respectively, expressions of the form (S), (S x), (S x y), (K), (K x), and (I).
< 1442698058 652251 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :That may or may not be excess complexity.
< 1442698063 727317 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :IExpression could, of course, be represented with others
< 1442698084 42597 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right.
< 1442698105 245092 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :One idea I thought of to enable currying is to make S x return a new combinator which would be a hash of the string "S x"
< 1442698121 510684 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then that would just apply to the next expression
< 1442698140 148995 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not "return a new combinator" so much as "add a new combinator to the combinator dictionary"
< 1442698147 608626 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's certainly *an* option.
< 1442698167 233704 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the hashing step would be unnecessary
< 1442698199 386004 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you'll still need to define a meaning for that new combinator.
< 1442698208 608471 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know
< 1442698212 837102 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :When are they going to make the rules of Magic: the Gathering to be sufficiently mathematically elegant?
< 1442698216 959475 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's where I got hung up...
< 1442698234 424812 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think
< 1442698259 168595 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: in other words, when are they going to implement them in C#?
< 1442698299 940170 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm adding a new class called FullExpression
< 1442698321 500340 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a difference between ((K x) (K x)) and ((K x) K) x?
< 1442698334 282744 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't /think/ so
< 1442698345 311032 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/n't//
< 1442698351 39386 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :The former is x, and the latter is (x x).
< 1442698368 347317 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. so parens are in fact necessary
< 1442698402 590130 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup.
< 1442698507 649859 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :K (K x) y z is x while K K x y z is y, so if you can add and remove parentheses, then everything is equal to everything.
< 1442698537 488494 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha
< 1442698610 511922 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: I don't meant C# I meant by mathematics. Rules might be found more clear in such a way
< 1442698669 360032 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: I think I might know how to figure this out
< 1442698672 841255 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: so the rules would consist of mathematical prose?
< 1442698684 319955 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What happens if we add all the redundant parenthesis to S x y z?
< 1442698688 946705 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does it become?
< 1442698689 400106 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Yes
< 1442698698 182657 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: (((S x) y) z)
< 1442698701 775861 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1442698706 30341 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That probably makes it easier
< 1442698707 566803 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somehow
< 1442698719 140165 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: would you hope to end up with less than 100 pages of prose at the end?
< 1442698750 329135 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Preferably ones that can also be put into the computer, such as with Literate Haskell you can almost do like that)
< 1442698767 292250 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: I don't know. It depend how big are the pages, and what rules are modified and some other stuff
< 1442698838 853822 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I had other idea too, make up the programming language for defining the rules and effect of cards of these kind of card games, and then implement rules with such a thing. My idea is to use RDF and then make up a literate RDF format to write rule with (like Xturtle with WEB together, perhaps)
< 1442699137 901484 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I have shown a few examples on here before of what I was thinking of how to do
< 1442699149 669817 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems to me that if you are writing game rules in a computer-readable logical form, then you're halfway to writing a comuter game, so why not just do that
< 1442699176 639000 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: Sure that is one thing it can be used for, but the intention is that it would be independent of such things.
< 1442699181 748967 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: I think it has to be both computer-readable AND human (non-advanced-programmer) readable
< 1442699215 413529 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so use COBOL.
< 1442699216 112591 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: Yes, that is kind of also how I have meant
< 1442699224 216466 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay!
< 1442699226 764717 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was right!
< 1442699232 619318 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use some language like IMP
< 1442699241 796983 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just use anything but perl
< 1442699241 975082 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Not exactly, but close)
< 1442699249 231151 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh :,(
< 1442699279 891221 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think literate programming, with a mathematically-defined programming language, is the way.
< 1442699312 220520 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So easy Haskell then?
< 1442699333 227333 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :more love for curry
< 1442699448 760522 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell is an idea too I thought yes.
< 1442699454 800832 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in
< 1442699475 813693 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I am not quite sure if Haskell (or any other existing programming language) is particularly suitable which is why I had idea make the new kind
< 1442699497 58347 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :last (ys ++ [e]) = e
< 1442699500 515177 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :love it.
< 1442699600 895822 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But also just some of the rules of the game is too klugy or otherwise inelegant in my opinion and I would have done differently
< 1442699614 299879 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just remembered that mothy does have an end of the world song for the 2nd-3rd era
< 1442699621 288922 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So where's the end of the 3rd era song?
< 1442699749 696842 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Xturtle is a superset of RDF Turtle; I have written a Xturtle parser in C. WEB is the programming language TeX is written in; it combines TeX with Pascal codes and can be preprocessed into a Pascal code to be sent to a Pascal compiler; CWEB is similar but with C instead, and then you can have RDFWEB to write this new one with.)
< 1442699890 354071 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a part of the song that's intentionally musically bad, which makes sense but makes me sad
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< 1442701129 327156 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo: I know a song that has intentional noise that sounds like a speaker being plugged in
< 1442701414 880139 :sc00fy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1442701607 651024 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\, o.O link?
< 1442701723 130836 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh. I did not know that accredited CS programs were not that common. Like, there's actually a number of people walking around with CS degrees that aren't worth the paper they're printed on.
< 1442701727 131645 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This explains a lot.
< 1442701753 218226 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh?
< 1442701861 888509 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: In the US, there's not much formal regulation on higher education at all.
< 1442701897 554810 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In essence, any organization can hand out pieces of paper and call them degrees in whatever they feel like with whatever justification they feel like.
< 1442701929 492735 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1442701936 719895 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What makes them "real" is a third party organization that people trust the opinion of, accrediting a degree program as meeting their standards.
< 1442702007 459170 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooor people just recognizing the degree as having value regardless of what an accrediting body says.
< 1442702050 97860 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the case of computer science, there's a large number of degree programs with no accrediting whatsoever.
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< 1442702083 564749 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is just fine if it's Stanford (yes, really, Stanford's CS program is not accredited), but not so much if it's Univeristy of Bumblefuck KS.
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< 1442702596 425627 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm back
< 1442702827 55351 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, really? Stanford is not accredited?
< 1442702836 15118 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1442702839 150697 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really.
< 1442702841 814740 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, I guess they just think that they are well known enough they don't need it?
< 1442702846 440242 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe that's just their CS program in particular.
< 1442702852 67916 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :(they probably are)
< 1442702853 75513 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Harvard has the same deal.
< 1442702855 595415 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh okay, so not that
< 1442702862 702347 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: currying means that you only need a syntax for applying a combinator to _one_ argument.
< 1442702867 162240 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, what about MIT?
< 1442702872 999031 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :MIT is accredited.
< 1442702877 473998 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1442702879 494480 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stanford is known for CS *in particular* though.
< 1442702890 847183 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. unlambda's `, which is normally prefix but could easily be postfix instead.
< 1442702907 56667 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, really though, Harvard, Stanford and MIT wouldn't need to be accredited. Their name carries enough weight on it's own
< 1442702917 427684 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah.
< 1442702919 533730 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, a CS degree from the University of Bumblefuck KS is good for a cryptography job
< 1442702928 692421 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They teach that class using Malebolge
< 1442702933 581226 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD
< 1442702945 402822 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Malbolge
< 1442702952 822911 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I keep mixing those two up
< 1442702965 831135 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Malebolge is not a thing even afaik?
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< 1442702972 554552 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :one is a programming language named for a circle of hell, the other is a circle of hell hth
< 1442702974 691271 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :So isn't it typoing rather than mixing it up
< 1442702980 112439 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1442703057 599317 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but the typo is official
< 1442703116 945219 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1442703118 762789 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :good night
< 1442703421 178188 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :{1, 2}+{3, 4} = {4, 5, 6}, correct?
< 1442703440 910754 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've started work on LIME (the LIME Integrated Mathematical Environment)
< 1442703444 628453 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :PLAUSIBLE
< 1442703455 256380 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it or is it not?
< 1442703484 355695 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a common notation. you are making the error of thinking that math notation is unambiguous hth
< 1442703518 240930 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd say it's the most likely interpretation of the left side, assuming no other context.
< 1442703523 782141 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah
< 1442703556 230198 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And {1, 2}+3 = {1, 2}+{3}={4, 5}?
< 1442703561 691405 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/=/ = /
< 1442703570 852514 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fairly reasonable.
< 1442703574 723163 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1442703587 885540 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm making an environment in which one can do a bunch of mathy things
< 1442703623 115398 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the thing is, + is ridiculously overloaded, and there is an old convention using it for boolean algebra.
< 1442703639 389882 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in which case it could be union instead.
< 1442703658 438516 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(boole originally used addition and multiplication notation)
< 1442703693 162478 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to use & for union
< 1442703713 551083 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to try to make this some sort of hybrid beetween Traditional Mathematics and Programming
< 1442703840 417363 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :& for union is a little confusing, since when you treat bitfields in C as boolean algebras that's exactly _intersection_
< 1442703887 509393 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the opposite.
< 1442703906 301325 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to figure out where I'm going with this xD
< 1442703911 2810 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, & is intersection
< 1442704104 337289 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I make LIME at all memory-efficient, or should I just use BigFloat for everything?
< 1442704112 605480 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure if Python even /has/ BigFloat
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< 1442705185 621696 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1442705193 690235 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I've defined a sufficent arithmetic AST
< 1442705230 426071 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I add Computer Sciency stuff to it?
< 1442705234 232728 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually
< 1442705235 476079 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes
< 1442705250 797306 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to make the AST support computer sciency things and save other things for the parser
< 1442705428 236370 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So Computer Sciency-ness will be an option that the parser determines
< 1442705429 688102 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait
< 1442705435 4797 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that might not work...
< 1442705512 612673 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Your professional opinion. Is making ^ work as bitwise xor OR as exponentation depending on the option a good idea for a program targetted at mathematics students?
< 1442705546 234300 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'd be a pain to implement, but it might be a good idea
< 1442705686 949121 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :both are sort of about lacking the real math symbols (superscripts or that sum-in-a-circle thing)
< 1442705695 163 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah...
< 1442705713 907102 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want this to be easy to use when typed from a keyboard
< 1442705735 243013 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if they want to use both?
< 1442705755 422775 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps I could use a LaTeX-like syntax where if you type, for exmple, "\lambda" it would come out as ?
< 1442705771 132000 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Oh, forgot to mention that if CS mode is on, ** is exponentation
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< 1442705817 935984 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :LIME is actually going to parse every instruction into two different ASTs: Algebraic and Arithmetical
< 1442705849 884797 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Arithmetical encompassing Arithmetic, Geometry, a bit of algebra, Set Theory, etc.)
< 1442705918 647976 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(So if you want to get the sum of the set of 1 and x and a triangle, Arithmetical is used, whereas if you want to rearrange an expression, Algebraic is used)
< 1442706700 3246 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: I wouldn't use the notation {1,2} + 3.
< 1442706717 645589 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: I wouldn't either, but someone might
< 1442706776 24147 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :The fact that someone might want a feature doesn't necessarily mean that you should implement it.
< 1442706943 605703 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's valid mathematical notation, as far as I know
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< 1442707728 505880 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : \oren\: I think it has to be both computer-readable AND human (non-advanced-programmer) readable <-- my prejudices say this is a contradiction unless you want to _severely_ shrink the customer base.
< 1442707762 701980 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not quite
< 1442707764 918603 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although perhaps magic players are already all nerdy enough to reach that level
< 1442707768 758642 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :IMP is fairly easy to read
< 1442707772 767072 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not very good though
< 1442707817 949931 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is why I suggested something a bit different!
< 1442707865 765243 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hezzo38ppaviliœrjan[1]!
< 1442707875 278808 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@massages-loud
< 1442707875 456836 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia said 3h 59m 49s ago: aubergine+unconditional fork. (first argument=target of first process, second=target of second?)
< 1442707918 17293 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bevingly
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< 1442711511 791002 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: I'd definitely call {1,2} + 3 unconventional notation.
< 1442711525 935849 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is, but isn't 3 = {3}?
< 1442711528 39846 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not the sort of thing you use if you want to be understood without having to explain yourself.
< 1442711531 937617 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :No.
< 1442711535 842249 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 is a number, {3} is a set.
< 1442711536 571703 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh
< 1442711540 458154 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could've sworn it was
< 1442711541 613642 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait
< 1442711543 645095 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it is
< 1442711559 476929 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :{2}+{2}={4}
< 1442711563 417494 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's right
< 1442711624 960319 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'd still consider that non-standard notation.
< 1442711649 278558 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I'm reading a math paper, and it says "For all sets X and Y of integers, X + Y is ...", I'm going to be confused.
< 1442711675 581162 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd figure it *probably* means exactly what you've been using it to mean. But I'd be unsure.
< 1442712677 460616 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :{1, 3} + {4, 5} = {5, 7, 6, 8}
< 1442712683 655910 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is taht right?
< 1442712751 98040 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: Technically, yes. But I would order the set properly for OCD purposes.
< 1442713066 142880 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then X + Y is simply the image set of the cartesian product of X and Y
< 1442713117 134137 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well, some would dispute the use of the word "simply" there, but YMMV)
< 1442713140 736522 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have thought of thing like Ajsone esolang but with RDF instead of JSON. (It has also been done with XML)
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< 1442716721 413064 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i get the impression im not gonna find the philosophers stone here
< 1442716865 982026 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think the "philosopher's stone" exists, so probably you will not find it on here.
< 1442716885 514391 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :touche'
< 1442716910 324419 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION recalibrates
< 1442716944 42108 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i get the impresion I won't be able to find someone here who can explain why putrification is such a neccessary part of transmutation
< 1442716972 896718 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know any alchemy, sorry. I doubt most people on here know much about it.
< 1442717039 994186 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome blurelIse
< 1442717040 903950 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :blurelIse: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: . (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.)
< 1442717065 963419 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oic
< 1442717069 223969 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :blurelIse: i get the impression you may be right
< 1442717077 764880 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks for the welcome either way
< 1442717099 9612 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :granted im still interested in coding an esoteric language
< 1442717110 481619 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like the concept(s)
< 1442717125 46168 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also don't know any esolang called "philosophers stone"
< 1442717157 707933 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :great, then maybe i'll make one :)
< 1442717189 844999 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds way more fun than coding an AI that moves crates
< 1442717210 380309 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :but do you know the Stoned Philosophers problem?
< 1442717236 878313 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm.. is that the one about the guy who knew the well water would drive everyone crazy?
< 1442717330 511571 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if not then no)
< 1442717354 907107 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have not heard of "Stoned Philosophers" problem, so I don't know what it is
< 1442717722 986768 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: was that just a cheeky way of asking if i was blazed off my gord, or an actual problem?
< 1442718182 879163 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the silverfish are peeking starting to wander around while wondering why I still have the lights on.
< 1442718202 765297 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :woops that sentance got away from me
< 1442718307 850232 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unsqueezingly.
< 1442718352 842874 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :When you're trying to get ketchup out of a plastic bottle, the typical way to do so is by squeezing the bottle.
< 1442718383 680827 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I've heard that they make "pourable ketchup" bottles.
< 1442718401 821637 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure what's different about them, but presumably with those bottles, it's possible to get the ketchup out unsqueezingly.
< 1442718439 123629 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i saw an article on a special new plastic that has a full flip surface
< 1442718455 973706 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not even glue sticks to the inside of the bottle, it jsut slides off and out
< 1442718479 250492 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it's neat stuff.
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< 1442719753 430607 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi
< 1442719770 547640 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
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< 1442721739 229160 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A nuclear reactor can transmute one element into another, but it usually is a lighter element thatn you started with
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< 1442722289 79856 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I read somewhere that it is very expensive to convert one lead atom into one gold atom, and it is not generally worth it.
< 1442722337 94729 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well sure if youre just pouring a bunch of money into equipment and tech to make it happen
< 1442722364 392693 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the knowledge of natural law in doing the process with only tools at hand
< 1442722370 636534 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that knowledge is worth every minute
< 1442722409 255438 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, knowing how it can be done is worth it, I agree.
< 1442722423 486236 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it isn't generally worth it to actually do such thing especially for large quantities.
< 1442722471 119686 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah considering you'd probably have better luck panning in a river getting quantifiable amounts, isn't worth it for the gold
< 1442722488 366329 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just to say you did it tho <3
< 1442722525 76297 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
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< 1442722591 122859 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try to answer the question: Copper, Silver, Gold, and then what comes next? A few people are answer different (and my answer seems to be the uncommon one) although see what you would say too, and then we can make the poll?
< 1442722653 545595 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: Do you have .NSF of Famitracker chiptunes? And, what expansion chip use (if any)? (As far as I know, Famitracker can use only up to one expansion chip per song, but I know that ppMCK is capable of using multiple at once)
< 1442722684 813800 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the obvious choice would be platinum
< 1442722701 431744 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :depending on context
< 1442722744 666242 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is many people's answer, but my answer was roentgenium
< 1442722767 891641 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Note that the question gives no context as that is how it is supposed to work.)
< 1442722806 986963 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :profane explanation would be that its ascending in value, or worth in reward
< 1442722834 922859 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assume your answer is provisional to having a periodic table on hand
< 1442722895 714544 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :" Patashu: Do you have .NSF of Famitracker chiptunes?" Yes, lots. "And, what expansion chip use (if any)?" I personally use VRC6 and MMC5 and rarely N163, but I have ftms/nsfs from other people for everything else. "(As far as I know, Famitracker can use only up to one expansion chip per song, but I know that ppMCK is capable of using multiple at once)" Actually, you can use all six
< 1442722896 172367 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :expansion chips in a song in vanilla Famitracker, what you CAN'T do is create that file using only in-program means, you have to hex edit to set all the flags (or use a branch of Famitracker such as 0CC-Famitracker)
< 1442722925 468942 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: As an example, I always provide nsfs of my songs I upload to soundcloud.com/patashu . If you need an nsf with a specific other expansion chip, let me know and I'll dig
< 1442722964 363110 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't need ones with specific expansion chips (I can easily find or make them myself if I need them); I only wanted to know what you had
< 1442722978 408042 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Got it
< 1442723109 799513 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can see the .NSFs I made too if you want to, although I use ppMCK. I have not provided renders.
< 1442723280 51339 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :We have a lot of Deadfish implementations, but none in TECO yet, nor in QUACKVM, or various other stuff
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< 1442723743 945522 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to think how to prove that there exist at least two groups.
< 1442723747 659141 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is a toughie.
< 1442723794 854884 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :old orange and apples metaphor not working?
< 1442723796 694000 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1442723814 953466 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno, I think I'm going to temporarily give up on this and go for something easier.
< 1442723822 151 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Namely: proving that there exist at least two sets.
< 1442723858 424540 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you prove it by exhibiting instances?
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< 1442723989 611577 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also do not see a implementation of Deadfish in LLVM
< 1442724015 199667 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only if I can prove that the instances are different.
< 1442724024 372927 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could, say, prove that {} is not {x}.
< 1442724035 367178 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Well, yes, you must prove that of course.
< 1442724058 760556 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I really mean, though, is that there exist at least two sets, up to bijection.
< 1442724068 636629 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :So this means I must prove that there is no bijection between {} and {x}.
< 1442724088 686041 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm platinum has a current market value slightly lower than gold
< 1442724184 149852 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: O, I don't keep track of what are current market value of platinum and gold and so on. I just know that in Dungeons&Dragons game 3.5 edition, a platinum coin is worth ten times as much as a gold coin
< 1442724214 153852 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're eleven times as heavy hth.
< 1442724246 820897 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's kind of cute how in the United States, just like in D&D, there are "copper", "silver", and "gold" coins, each worth ten times as much as the last.
< 1442724265 334509 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Namely, the penny, the dime, and the dollar.)
< 1442724267 325901 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :current platinum price per troy oz is 981 USD, gold is 1139 USD
< 1442724282 654519 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dollar coins only exist in Canada not US hth
< 1442724293 328655 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I have used such analogy to describe to some people, the penny, dime, and loonie (in Canadian money, that is!) in term of Dungeons&Dragons game
< 1442724362 504821 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: crap, that means the US Mint has been scamming us!
< 1442724399 28904 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :And to think I once handed them twenty dollars in exchange for twenty of their so-called "dollar coins"!
< 1442724412 943376 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man. I swear, heads will roll.
< 1442724414 573434 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait wat
< 1442724465 905696 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they have dollar coins too
< 1442724472 123575 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they arent really gold
< 1442724481 972650 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and pennies arent actually copper
< 1442724488 477161 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and nickel isnt nickel
< 1442724497 959783 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :And dimes aren't really made of dime. I mean, of silver.
< 1442724500 121685 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually theres probably more nickel in us pennies than copper
< 1442724514 508479 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quraters havent been real silver int he US since 1971
< 1442724556 753373 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i used to buy precious metals professionally (fun fact)
< 1442724591 158467 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the platinum thing, i mentioned reward, as in after an album goes gold, it goes platinum
< 1442724651 303503 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :another fun fact: napoleon gave all his dinner guests gold utensils, but his were not. Can you guess what his were made of?
< 1442724692 949478 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Canadian dimes were made of silver until the 1920s
< 1442724700 772559 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Were they aluminum?
< 1442724711 783469 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you get 5 internetz
< 1442724741 444573 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :aluminum used to be far more valuable than gold, and rarer too
< 1442724744 169085 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, hmm, 1960's
< 1442724753 314561 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :then we learned how to make it
< 1442724815 146083 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you sent that homeless guy you always see with his huge shopping cart full of cans back to napoleon times, he'd be a king
< 1442724856 407181 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well you can still get 1 oz silver, gold, and platinum coins
< 1442724968 235711 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is a Canadian silver 5-dollar coin which in 1 oz of 99.99% silver
< 1442725193 395900 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait what. they have a palladium coin too. wtf is palladium good for?
< 1442725280 387558 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :craeting a monetary value out of an imaginary idea, then selling it to the establishments for 1.5 dollars per dollar to give to thier people
< 1442725762 534972 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What features does IRC need?
< 1442725835 349743 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think IRC has a good set of features, although some servers do not implement some, or add their own too
< 1442725955 707977 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fair enough
< 1442726063 681793 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :automatic translation between languages
< 1442727066 854839 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :blurelIse: Realistic features xD
< 1442727124 486915 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :aye, they said the same thing to the wright brothers
< 1442727680 791460 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :blurelIse: The Wright Brothers were trying to make a thing not fall as fast as normal. You're suggesting I take two incompatible ways of representing information and convert between them freely. Not just two, but thousands.
< 1442727780 709577 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I make a LISP-like language?
< 1442727789 4821 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly one with R-like features?
< 1442727793 318656 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps?
< 1442727806 285478 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should you paint an albatross?
< 1442727833 994713 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: I'm not a very good painter and have no interest in improving in that area
< 1442727836 944254 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I go to bed now?
< 1442727840 296621 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should good night, everyone?
< 1442727854 211339 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait
< 1442727858 741981 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you actually going to bed?
< 1442727863 799291 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm confus
< 1442727877 341144 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see all these language packs install with software, always wonder why they cant just cross reference all fo them using a deep search algorhithm and make auto tranlates happen
< 1442727901 219488 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kinda like that "translate this page" button in chrome
< 1442727911 355466 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :blurelIse: Because whatever you just talked about is unreliable
< 1442727928 323645 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why cant i just click "translate this" and get a semi close translation in irc
< 1442727947 910132 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesnt have to be totally accurate, just knowing an idea of what someone is saying helps if youre a human
< 1442727951 93293 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone could make a client that does
< 1442727953 384100 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, "translate this page" requires a connection to google translate. This is fine in browsers, where you generally need internet to be viewing a page. But in an offline program... not so much
< 1442727969 506846 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And using the google translate API, before you ask, costs money
< 1442727996 870058 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yeah a bot could do all that
< 1442728021 300238 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It could, but it would cost a bunch of money
< 1442728023 353608 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be nice if someone wrote a simple word-for-word translation tool
< 1442728023 913316 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but itd be a nice feature in chats/social place
< 1442728045 285030 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: That's impossible. Your grasp of linguistics seems to be lacking.
< 1442728065 985055 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you translate Hebrew et?
< 1442728066 960787 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: a lookup table is impossibe
< 1442728069 54600 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1442728072 308124 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm under the impression it's like an ;s
< 1442728073 931753 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :'s
< 1442728080 48540 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :blurelIse: It would be, but then again, you're using this to communicate with someone who lives in practically another world.
< 1442728083 783384 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, alot of languages have context and tone involved
< 1442728094 356689 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :True, true
< 1442728095 445672 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in chinese the same word for aunt is also donkey depending on the tone
< 1442728115 341728 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to make some high-level sexpr-based language for fun
< 1442728121 77550 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically my own lispy language
< 1442728131 606000 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\, how do you translate this word? http://hermeneutics.stackexchange.com/questions/4933/meaning-of-et%D7%90%D7%AA-and-vet%D7%95%D6%B0%D7%90%D6%B5%D6%A5%D7%AA-in-genesis-11
< 1442728161 393648 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, an inaacurate, semi simple word for word, based on "alphabetical order" language packs would be sufficient
< 1442728197 333623 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just grab those english-spanish dictionaries
< 1442728204 128791 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and get for alot of languages
< 1442728204 714484 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :blurelIse: But word-for-word is impossible. And how would you translate German to English? In german, it's impossible to list all the words
< 1442728221 221711 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :All I'm saying is, the tool would read in そのビルは高い and wirte out [that][building][about][tall]
< 1442728230 723624 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :im sure theres a german to english dictionary that would suffice
< 1442728260 347604 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :blurelIse: But that would be inelegant! In german, you can just /make up/ words!
< 1442728264 428545 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :literlly each word would be looked up and swapped for the closest word in target language tih no reordering
< 1442728281 15280 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :all logistics aside, just wanted to stress it is realistic, would jsut require an immense effort
< 1442728295 318957 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also in german, you can /split words in fucking half/
< 1442728295 503893 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wouldnt care about inelegance
< 1442728315 838586 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you handle that without an uber-complex special case?
< 1442728331 607056 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\, and do you ignore untranslatable words?
< 1442728340 551844 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hebrew's et is just a grammatical marker or something
< 1442728352 826240 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you can probably ignore it if you throw out grammar, I _think_
< 1442728353 668216 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if someone said to me in german that they liked long walks on teh beach, and a translator told me, long walks liked sausages to beach on, it would be far more useful than not understanding a single word
< 1442728358 792414 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :either ignore or leave them in place
< 1442728445 852610 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for languages which have the same word order roughly, this would work very well in practical cases
< 1442728518 801759 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :E.g. Je ne t'aime pas -> I not you like
< 1442728611 496755 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :either way, an imperfect translation is better than having no translation available offline
< 1442728658 702819 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet you could store a table of the top 10000 words in the top 10 languages in basically no space.
< 1442728688 818996 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. maybe the distrbiution would be 1 megabyte?
< 1442728735 340476 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :on that order anyway
< 1442728754 63156 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can I implement phase of moon and astrological sun sign (which includes equinoxes and solstices) in TeX? I already have a lot of other stuff including Easter calculation, leap year calculation, Discordian calendar, etc, but not that yet!
< 1442728811 509868 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe use kepler's laws plus a table of anomalies?
< 1442728829 672227 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(since the orbit drift slightly over time)
< 1442728884 931191 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can have a set of orbital parameters for each decade or maybe century
< 1442728999 381025 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hopefully a precision of quarter-hours should be sufficient, if it is not necessary to print the exact times
< 1442729289 430989 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just port the J2000 database into TeX hth
< 1442729596 959191 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What should I add to my lispy language?
< 1442729599 45281 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OO definitely
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< 1442730479 362802 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know the way to do this ephemeris stuff in TeX (because I have not decide what seem best way), but I have done a lot of other stuff with TeX including parsing algebraic chess notation and Forsyth-Edwards notation and making chess diagram from them, and also a ASCII PBM parser, and POSTNET barcode generator. But, the other thing I do not have is TeX program to generate QR codes
< 1442730562 917390 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although maybe a postprocessor could be used to generate QR codes, possibly
< 1442730820 976110 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, the AWK code of Deadfish is not quite the shortest one; the shortest code is actually APLBAONWSJAS.
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< 1442731369 550528 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ther
< 1442731370 493815 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :e
< 1442731380 237976 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm implementing LISP with data structures
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< 1442733057 22862 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
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< 1442733656 754460 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Google Translate's "instant" mode (where it OCRs text from the live camera feed, translates it, and replaces it in the original image) works offline, with a language pack taking (IIRC) just a single-digit amount of megabytes.
< 1442733685 692422 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's (mostly) word-for-word, although a lot smarter than a single dictionary.
< 1442733752 854576 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The Translate mobile app also lets you download packs for "proper" offline translation, but those are in the order of hundreds of megs.)
< 1442734354 457650 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hizzie
< 1442734489 289009 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hoochaf.
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< 1442759847 167423 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :his523
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< 1442762197 391986 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode
< 1442762198 306693 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[U+2009 THIN SPACE] [U+00A0 NO-BREAK SPACE]
< 1442762886 366042 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom
< 1442762887 698598 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sth/"sth" is short for "something that hibernates".
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< 1442762986 299266 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's probably wrong
< 1442762997 118742 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :stuff that helps?
< 1442763061 699527 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, as opposed to happy to help, sad to help?
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< 1442764012 71015 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellolsner. nothing is wrong in the Wisdom.
< 1442764060 735728 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? wisdom
< 1442764061 732827 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom is always factually accurate, except for this entry, and uh that other one? it started with like, an ø?
< 1442764117 979869 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ørjan
< 1442764118 761654 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ørjan is oerjan's good twin. He's banned in the IRC RFC for being an invalid character. Sometimes he publishes papers.
< 1442764134 784663 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the lie is that he publishes papers hth
< 1442764139 896920 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :he used to, though
< 1442764146 765415 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :k
< 1442764151 829712 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tdh
< 1442764162 33182 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :the past is a time, so that counts as sometime
< 1442764187 945938 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah but "publishes" is present tense, checkmate olsner
< 1442764220 927224 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :*shrug* it was present tense at the time
< 1442764272 911835 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well no one said wisdom isn't _sometimes_ factually accurate.
< 1442764419 570435 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION loves the smell of Wisdom in the morning
< 1442764444 522074 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? fart
< 1442764445 91945 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fart? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1442764457 215758 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: wisdom is not a smell, and it is not morning
< 1442764467 453074 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : another fun fact: napoleon gave all his dinner guests gold utensils, but his were not. Can you guess what his were made of? <-- this is eerily close to, but somehow disturbingly off from wikipedia's version
< 1442764469 97228 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? what fart
< 1442764469 741075 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what fart? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1442764504 672834 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: fwiw, roses aren't a smell either, and people still talk about the smell of roses.
< 1442764542 854487 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: golden?
< 1442764561 127207 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you're still maintaining ayacc, you haven't disowned it, right?
< 1442764570 414799 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: no, i didn't react to that part
< 1442764573 101868 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :a quick google suggests aluminum
< 1442764576 928186 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: there remains five minutes of morning.
< 1442764601 506062 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: not disowned, just I'm not working on it right now
< 1442764606 418358 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll come back to it some time later
< 1442764611 128130 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just that it wasn't _the_ napoleon, and he wasn't the _only_ one who got aluminium.
< 1442764613 864518 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if someone else wants to take over maintenance meanwhile, I wouldn't object
< 1442764614 409139 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: hmm, was that back when aluminum was more expensive than gold, or later when it was manufanctured for cheap with electrolysis?
< 1442764621 808822 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: oh, you saved some morning for later? that's good planning
< 1442764641 209678 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that napoleon III wasn't a cool guy by himself.
< 1442764680 246084 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell shachaf you probably don't want to know more about rnz, but if you do, see https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Rnz
< 1442764680 424016 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1442764683 253978 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ok, and no, I won't take over maintenance, but I might try it out some time
< 1442764685 864186 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, regarding "sometimes", http://starslip.chainsawsuit.com/starslip/night-shift-crisis/ seems relevant.
< 1442764710 812333 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(coincidence)
< 1442764995 796497 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Should you paint an albatross? <-- no. it'll just get annoyed and possibly attack you hth
< 1442765023 385742 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then you might accidentally kill it and get a curse.
< 1442765149 411145 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :albatrosses cause curses?
< 1442765169 359062 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought that was common knowledge.
< 1442765179 814344 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :killing them, that is.
< 1442765190 236573 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a crazy idea. Suppose in a D&D-like universe, a very rich sorcerer wants to occasionally travel very fast between his two lairs, but hates teleportation. Maybe he wants to break the speed record for a challenge.
< 1442765234 973707 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: now i'm reminded of niven's puppeteers
< 1442765254 219751 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could he build a long road made of alternating cells of four different materials, then shapechange cyclically to four different exotic monsters, each of which can reside in only one (or at most two) of the four materials, and get shunted to the next cell each time.
< 1442765311 325887 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm thinking the four materials could be: lava (or permanent magical fire), solid stone or earth, water (or water with acid), and a very narrow passage of air in a wall of force (or of iron or leveledgium);
< 1442765346 102493 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the four forms are xorn (in stone), fire elemental (in lava), shark (in water, or acid-breathing shark in acid water), and eg. lizard (in the narrow passage).
< 1442765369 606490 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Each time he transforms, he'd get instantly shunted to the closest space the new form can reside, which would be the next cell.
< 1442765387 800531 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The narrow tunnel would need to be barred on the two ends by the same wall of force so that the lava and water can't get in of course.
< 1442765408 62570 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or perhaps by small pieces of stone or something.
< 1442765418 983017 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds eminently practical hth
< 1442765450 812454 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The shunting would deal lots of damage to the sorcerer, and though it could perhaps be reduced somewhat, it probably can't be prevented completely.
< 1442765494 314274 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes, he'd have to be VERY rich to build such a road, because the cells have to be thicker than they are long, and the cells have to be long so he can traverse fast, because he travels about one cell per round or something not much than that.
< 1442765499 832863 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: there's a known trick using turn order where you get a bunch of commoners to stand in a line, and delay their turns so that they all happen in sequence along the line
< 1442765517 101040 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you get them to hand an object to each other in turn, and get it from one end to the other in just six seconds
< 1442765531 706686 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :commoner SIMD?
< 1442765534 147780 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: um, doesn't picking up the object take an action?
< 1442765535 223915 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1442765536 6157 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see
< 1442765539 763534 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :they each take an action in sequence
< 1442765543 528329 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can reduce the number of commoners required by getting them to jog (i.e. single-move) as one action, then hand the object over as the other
< 1442765550 341289 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that way you can space them 30 feet apart
< 1442765561 901466 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice idea
< 1442765565 38604 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn't mine
< 1442765568 212591 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is the D&D version of a bucket brigade
< 1442765571 441283 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the common name is the "commoner railgun"
< 1442765595 944600 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what would be the point?
< 1442765625 367951 :x1365C!~x10A94@178.252.73.97 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442765626 223792 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: this is repeatable each turn, so it could carry a lot of material on a line quickly
< 1442765639 772991 :x10A94!~x10A94@178.252.73.97 QUIT :Disconnected by services
< 1442765643 790104 :x1365C!~x10A94@178.252.73.97 NICK :x10A94
< 1442765643 989961 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :about one carrying capacity of the weakest commoner per round or so
< 1442765667 362210 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't even kill them, unlike how the damage kills the sorcerer
< 1442765673 76464 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it gets an object from one place to another at arbitrarily high speeds
< 1442765686 413061 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it completes the movement in six seconds regardless of the distance travelled
< 1442765714 38 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, could the sorcerer get temporary invincibility, take all the damage, then quickly get healed to above zero from any amount of damage? If so, would this require very evil acts, like virgin sacrifices?
< 1442765719 886639 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what next, a commoner-based esoteric language?
< 1442765731 190394 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: we call those cellular automata
< 1442765746 414836 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would require more complex rules for the commoners...
< 1442765764 406345 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: are you sure you're on the right channel if you ask questions like “what would be the point”?
< 1442765769 788824 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose :)
< 1442765815 483728 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cellular automata commoners... could get quite gory for some CAs (and patterns)
< 1442765872 51607 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: if you're allowed to rely on typos in the manual, you can heal someone to 1hp from arbitrary HP values (including negative) via holding their head underwater for two rounds, then casting cure minor wounds on the third
< 1442765878 904224 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(assuming they don't hold their breath)
< 1442765990 86325 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ah, right
< 1442766052 267276 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the manual says "sets hp to 0" rather than "reduces hp to 0"
< 1442766076 775316 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the water is conveniently in the channel, though he'd need some way to get healed up from unconsciousness afterwards, without a risk that his trusted lieutenant doesn't “forget” to heal him
< 1442766125 114661 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait
< 1442766127 598645 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :he doesn't need that
< 1442766145 768125 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if he's temporarily indestructible to survive the damage anyway
< 1442766158 426272 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :he can just wait as a human in water to get 0 hp, then quaff a potion
< 1442766169 811462 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :brilliant
< 1442766180 33869 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :though there's still the question of how he gets temporary invincibility
< 1442766197 973252 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and keep it while polymorphed
< 1442766281 528077 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you can combine a spell and feat to get immunity to HP death
< 1442766284 388798 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plus the question of building the road.
< 1442766286 665918 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :until the spell expires
< 1442766296 426000 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: does that work even shapechanged?
< 1442766305 337818 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds
< 1442766306 946256 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea
< 1442766314 820053 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if it's the same person who casts both shapechange and that spell on himself?
< 1442766364 236037 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm worried because Szabó Magda: ''Tündér Lala'' features fairies that are specifically immortal, but are mortal if they magically shapechange to an ordinary animal such as a dog.
< 1442766414 876917 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plus, even in nethack, many boss monsters lose most of their special properties while polymorphed.
< 1442766468 141987 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: wait, is that a spell a wizard can cast? or divine-only?
< 1442766498 295424 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :again, I don't know
< 1442766501 335073 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't remember the details
< 1442766517 45935 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of my players pulled it off against me in a game where the players were encouraged to break the rules
< 1442766526 160048 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, not break
< 1442766527 899608 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :exploit
< 1442766544 420827 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442766679 120172 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-092-072-165-010.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1442766724 262889 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Later
< 1442766897 599941 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm also worried about polymorph because such a thing could require you to be in the form of some particular unusual monster, such as a plant or something.
< 1442766936 143264 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and you probably want to get immune to dying from both nonpositive HP and from suffering too much damage in a turn.
< 1442766976 760859 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, massive damage rule
< 1442766985 232704 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think most groups pretend that one doesn't exist
< 1442766988 944582 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the other hand, this whole thing is probably more difficult to pull off than a combo that just lets you increase your normal run or flight or swim speed without a cap.
< 1442767009 673692 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: or that it exists only for damage from particular sources, such as critical hits from an attack.
< 1442767022 140889 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or damage from the same one commander.
< 1442767033 37632 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: that's a M:tG rule, not a D&D rule
< 1442767041 159009 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I know.
< 1442767108 809680 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I said a D&D-like world. It could be a roguelike or something, though the narrow tunnel thing might not work in a roguelike that insists on every creature fitting the same size of square.
< 1442767285 644289 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reminds me of the Esolang „Befunge“
< 1442767364 996584 :Melvar`!~melvar@dslb-092-072-150-160.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442767412 647336 :sc00fy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442767515 84023 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :APic: have you ever heard of our Lord fungot?
< 1442767540 444604 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-165-010.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds
< 1442767547 229075 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(where's fungot when you need him?)
< 1442767576 715995 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's swimming with the fnords
< 1442767655 140682 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1442767679 809870 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: Probably not yet
< 1442767753 207238 :Melvar``!~melvar@dslb-088-078-248-074.088.078.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442767865 303517 :Melvar`!~melvar@dslb-092-072-150-160.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds
< 1442767873 777705 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :APic: meanwhile, you're either Albanian, Bulgarian, Czech, Estonian, German, Icelandic, Macedonian, Romanian, Serbian, Slovak or Slovene.
< 1442767880 398581 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably German, population-wise.
< 1442767885 271391 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :German
< 1442767894 116325 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Statistics ♥
< 1442767988 211164 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it generally sunny or rainy where you live?
< 1442768587 125289 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: how do you come to this conclusion?
< 1442768790 410743 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: quotation marks :D
< 1442768801 240240 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1442768824 584328 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would never type them, though
< 1442768891 139411 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :«»“”‘’ are readily available on the layout I use, but I can't type the low marks.
< 1442768944 937489 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am using a software keyboard most of the time
< 1442768967 938228 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :«»¢“”nµæßðđŋħĸł@łe¶ŧ←↓→øþ<>©‘’NºÆ§ÐªŊĦ&ŁΩŁE®Ŧ¥↑ıØÞ
< 1442768977 290670 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, /that/'s where ↑ went
< 1442769263 876175 :Melvar``!~melvar@dslb-088-078-248-074.088.078.pools.vodafone-ip.de NICK :Melvar
< 1442769267 662214 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode
< 1442769268 505427 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[U+00AD SOFT HYPHEN]
< 1442769296 321221 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-088-078-248-074.088.078.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442769413 947251 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: I assume you have a box of invisible characters that need sorting?
< 1442769473 270838 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the japanese ハンカク mode,
< 1442769536 298657 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :` ト ' ハ ‘ ト ’ ニ ナル
< 1442769537 44353 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: : not found
< 1442769724 551899 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what happens in the canadian keyboard mode
< 1442769859 960482 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: apparently I can type soft hyphens.
< 1442769862 566701 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok that is weird. ? -> É, 'a -> à, |\ -> <>, [a -> â
< 1442769876 320317 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: what's the keybind?
< 1442769895 439516 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: how come is it weird? it's the layout I use.
< 1442769916 842219 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ISO level 5 + Shift + /.
< 1442769921 305955 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's weird because it doesn't match the keytop labels
< 1442769934 90766 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode
< 1442769934 846428 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1442769938 247844 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even know how it got installed
< 1442769949 319180 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: apparently I don't have the same keyboard layout as you
< 1442769960 863516 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :either that or AltGr does something different from ISO level 5
< 1442769970 151862 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AltGr is level 3 I think?
< 1442770048 921091 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, could be
< 1442770072 702760 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: there are two layouts in use in Québec: Canadien Français and Canadien Multilingue. both have éÉ instead of /?, but they differ mainly on the dead keys and pre-composed accented letters.
< 1442770111 296233 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have US and canadian multilunual
< 1442770125 609154 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :
< 1442770142 214537 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then I have 5 different Japanese modes
< 1442770151 7127 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: what? I type “„”‘’»« too
< 1442770181 312900 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and …– as well
< 1442770191 694421 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I added them to my keyboard layout because I need them often
< 1442770247 406224 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should also add à and the other non-obscure French accented characters too, probably to capslock-control-letters if my keyboard can handle capslock-control-shift-letter together.
< 1442770251 329251 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In hankaku katakana mode、 I can type english by starting with a cpaital letter
< 1442770274 265367 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know some keyboards can't handle capslock-shift-backtick but mine is better.
< 1442770283 361997 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I remapped Caps to Escape. much more confortable for vim sessions.
< 1442770303 148381 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need a vim pedal
< 1442770313 871065 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@173-164-145-244-SFBA.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442770323 298671 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have lots of symbols available thru my IME ,、,”“゛″〝"〟
< 1442770338 678949 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/alevchuk/vim-clutch
< 1442770341 184540 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: Let'sせえ。。。Nope.Itをrks、利ghtウンチLityペ亜S波C絵。NotQ浮いて失せ付ぇ、意F酔う湾Tmyおぴにおん。
< 1442770342 680665 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i so like the idea
< 1442770387 973511 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You need to be in hankaku katakana mode I think.
< 1442770394 89648 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: I like entering きごう, then mashing the space bar to get all kinds of funky Unicode tidbits.
< 1442770441 162485 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: bwah ah ah!
< 1442770476 203002 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: it's awesome
< 1442770476 381138 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1442770497 62143 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus there's some other characters I should add too
< 1442770528 298068 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442770603 720643 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :⦃⟦⦇⟪«»⟫⦈⟧⦄
< 1442770622 959423 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forget why I have bindings for these
< 1442770625 44990 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ohhh characters that aren't in my fon!?!?!
< 1442770639 439457 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :go add them!
< 1442770641 879621 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode ⦃⟦⦇
< 1442770642 950963 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+2983 LEFT WHITE CURLY BRACKET \ UTF-8: e2 a6 83 UTF-16BE: 2983 Decimal: ⦃ \ ⦃ \ Category: Ps (Punctuation, Open) \ Bidi: ON (Other Neutrals) \ Character is mirrored \ \ U+27E6 MATHEMATICAL LEFT WHITE SQUARE BRACKET \ UTF-8: e2 9f a6 UTF-16BE: 27e6 Decimal: ⟦ \ ⟦ \ Category: Ps (Punctuation, Open) \ Bidi: ON (Other Neutrals)
< 1442770659 817913 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode ⦃⦇
< 1442770660 995214 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+2983 LEFT WHITE CURLY BRACKET \ UTF-8: e2 a6 83 UTF-16BE: 2983 Decimal: ⦃ \ ⦃ \ Category: Ps (Punctuation, Open) \ Bidi: ON (Other Neutrals) \ Character is mirrored \ \ U+2987 Z NOTATION LEFT IMAGE BRACKET \ UTF-8: e2 a6 87 UTF-16BE: 2987 Decimal: ⦇ \ ⦇ \ Category: Ps (Punctuation, Open) \ Bidi: ON (Other Neutrals) \ Charac
< 1442770683 496026 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :doing that
< 1442770738 368366 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eventually I plan to move my prject off fontstruct so I can add Chinese characters. (Fontstruct doesn't support Chinese)
< 1442770738 998423 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably àèìòù to capslock-control-aeiou, âêîôû to capslock-control-áéíóú (that's easy to remember), plus äëïçœæßåø somewhere
< 1442770762 978851 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the uppercase versions of all but eszett to capslock-control-shift same letter
< 1442770808 623999 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: shouldn't it be easier to put ^, ¨ and ` on a dead key?
< 1442770811 134106 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, perhaps the circumfletted letters not on those places
< 1442770814 613728 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: no!
< 1442770818 459090 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no dead keys
< 1442770823 980828 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not doing necromancy
< 1442770824 890859 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is a capital eszett
< 1442770843 906466 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: yes, but it's not something I need frequently. there's also a low-single-9 quotation mark
< 1442770856 611332 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION waves his magical mapole around and try to zombify b_jonas' keyboard
< 1442770865 358583 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's in my font ẞ
< 1442770866 601293 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and single > and < quotation marks
< 1442770870 682777 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yet I don't have those in my mapping
< 1442771013 515490 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not have a shift key you can hold down, type "o and get ö
< 1442771047 415192 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in other words a key that merges all the characters you type until you release it
< 1442771074 106824 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: nope, that could trigger during normal typing,
< 1442771082 692992 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also is hard to type because " requires holding down shift
< 1442771096 337754 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ö is Shift + ¨, release, then o.
< 1442771098 584065 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well then use some other key
< 1442771118 716276 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I don't release a key before I press the next key, I want both of them to register. this isn't a calculator, it's a real computer keyboard where I want to type fast.
< 1442771133 53341 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: REVOLTING CHICKEN
< 1442771135 644476 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like maybe that stupid menu button windows keyboards have?
< 1442771139 241834 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :only the modifier keys should work otherwise
< 1442771173 227802 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: those could work, but I'm using caps-lock as a fourth modifier anyway, and I don't want to add a fifth, at least not for typing (as opposed to eg. window manager shortcuts)
< 1442771209 462784 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plus I don't like those keys, because I like normal 101-key AT keyboards that don't have it, and want to be compatible with them.
< 1442771423 289697 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :㊤
< 1442771441 780885 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is that character for
< 1442771490 226320 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: I believe it's for annotating ancient Chinese text for study by ancient Japanese to show the word order it would be read if it had Japanese grammar.
< 1442771529 344067 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or backwards or something
< 1442771553 24893 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: let me find a reference
< 1442771611 793245 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Furigana#Kunten
< 1442771689 730831 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kanbun
< 1442771749 278595 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :holy crap. those unicode guys... I don't even...
< 1442771776 505207 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: that might be a different character though. they weren't circled, and somehow I don't think Japanese people would circle a kanji
< 1442771780 525417 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric : /last chaf
< 1442771788 142603 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it might be for some different thing
< 1442771812 303903 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: ㊤ _is_ a redirect to Kanbun in en.wikipedia though
< 1442771839 34541 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops
< 1442771852 123544 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: see https://ja.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E3%86%96
< 1442771891 105973 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: wiktionary documents a lot of obscure kanji
< 1442771896 881700 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and similar symbols
< 1442772219 747631 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%9B%B2%E3%81%BF%E6%96%87%E5%AD%97
< 1442772422 684724 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently circled letters are used for elements, and the kanji are used for bases and positions in baseball
< 1442772462 965149 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: heheh
< 1442772475 149139 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what kinds of "elements"
< 1442772537 46186 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :〇cis apparently "cupper"
< 1442772546 401077 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they mean copper
< 1442772628 188981 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ㊥ is midfielder or whatever
< 1442772707 995499 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm oh wait they use SQUARES for the baseball stuff
< 1442772721 888652 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which requires the astral plane
< 1442772971 57515 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: heh
< 1442773728 990972 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, anybody know a good bitmap font editor?
< 1442773840 851597 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442774782 932639 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ohhhh!!! If you convert a ttf to bdf with fontforge, then open the bdf, fontforge's glyph editor is suddently in a "bitmap mode"!
< 1442774801 574858 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok well fuck fontstruct then
< 1442774836 22348 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: yay
< 1442774895 93653 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I can start adding wide characters and Chinese! hehehehehehe
< 1442775129 680246 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
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< 1442775862 646193 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@173-164-145-244-SFBA.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Quit: *bubbles away*
< 1442776356 901605 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442777084 40518 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many ideographs are there in the main CJK block?
< 1442777169 890244 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :20,950. holy fucking shit that would take a long time
< 1442777189 971004 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll start with just the Joyo kanji
< 1442777214 723489 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and katakana and hiragana
< 1442777253 402835 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1442778125 89690 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\, designing a font?
< 1442778132 633870 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :For what reason?
< 1442778196 937739 :APic!apic@apic.name QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1442778331 793483 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not
< 1442778342 7134 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cause it's awesome
< 1442778434 792570 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok now this is a problem. I can convert ttf to a bdf, but I can't seem to convert back to a tff
< 1442778441 268111 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/tff/ttf/
< 1442778515 430318 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do you want to convert it back to a TTF format?
< 1442778565 694001 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :To install it?
< 1442778613 418157 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :See if you can install bitmap fonts on your computer though
< 1442778636 361508 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless you need to print, they should be good enough for most purposes
< 1442778677 360257 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need ttf
< 1442778686 383710 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :windows only supports ttf
< 1442778705 698051 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Windows supports bitmap fonts
< 1442778718 577242 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Although using a different format than UNIX)
< 1442778788 47139 :x10A94!~x10A94@178.252.73.97 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1442778841 348143 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No matter what I do, fontforge's saved ttf file is "not a valid font file" according to windows
< 1442778930 655537 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :See if it has Windows bitmap font format. If not, you could also try OpenType if it has it; Windows supports that too, I think
< 1442778954 423942 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :windows switched to OTF quite a while ago for their standard fonts.
< 1442779045 607130 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :otf isn't working, the generated font shows all blank glyphs
< 1442779084 179469 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try Windows bitmap font format (I think it is .FON but I am not sure)
< 1442779435 567665 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92AA5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442779479 473371 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh i see, fontforge doesn't have the ability to trace a bitmap into a vector font at all.
< 1442779509 2254 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi guys
< 1442779515 864988 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92AA5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1442779614 696440 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O so that is why it does not work. You must use an external program (unless it supports Windows bitmap font formats)
< 1442779665 207503 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi, S1! Haven't seen you around here before!
< 1442779674 130452 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92AA5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :you must be blind thenü
< 1442779675 794675 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: I think it had some integration to some external tool.
< 1442779696 632083 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I made a .ttf out of a bitmap font somehow.
< 1442779707 547052 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92AA5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: First visit two years ago, last visit on friday ;) I am hkgit03 sometimes.
< 1442779708 864042 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the rfk86 font.
< 1442779713 706918 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :S1: It's possible we're in incompatible timezones uasually
< 1442779728 508098 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*usually
< 1442779759 306945 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92AA5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: Don't you at least remember me as hkgit03? I was here quite often this week.
< 1442779795 950040 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :S1: Don't remember an hkgit03. Probably just time zone issues
< 1442779806 419009 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know what'd make it easier to learn Lambda Calculus and the SKI Combinator Calculus?
< 1442779844 386470 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lambda/SKI Combinator Arithmetic.
< 1442779849 602630 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Algebra
< 1442779858 894194 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92AA5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: No, you were here too, I know that.
< 1442779864 319772 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks like I just wrote a piece of Perl to generate a .svg font out of the bitmaps, and then used some tool on that.
< 1442779885 357073 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That way, you wouldn't have to dive into a complex, foriegn system immediately. You could just start with the basics.
< 1442779900 549278 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you add my Robot find kitten implementation into the list?
< 1442779936 821071 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone want to help me figure out a Lambda Arithmetic?
< 1442779973 280325 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: You'll need to contact rfk@robotfindskitten.org for that, I don't have anything to do with the website.
< 1442780030 308796 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm only responsible for the zem.fi/rfk86 site.)
< 1442780191 458497 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have email
< 1442780268 363357 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Wut.
< 1442780273 1977 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, they allegedly have an office in Los Angeles, if that helps.
< 1442780285 115047 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Why do you not have email?
< 1442780285 555717 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Other than that, I don't know of any ways to contact them.
< 1442780292 342219 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't live in Los Angeles
< 1442780330 812740 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 is setting off alarms in my head.
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< 1442780342 299939 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi mauris
< 1442780353 434797 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi hppavilion[1]!
< 1442780361 366756 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :how are things
< 1442780375 496422 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just found out zzo38 doesn't have email and now every alarm in my head is simultaneously going off
< 1442780400 488734 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's very loud. I am in horrible pain right now.
< 1442780480 578741 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mauris: In other news, I'm attempting to invent "
< 1442780481 20566 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :λ-Arithmetic", which is basically supposed to make is easier to learn the λ-Calculus by starting with something everyone knows.
< 1442780499 438256 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically, following the same path you took to learn normal math.
< 1442780555 873201 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But first, I have to figure out the λ-Calculus xD
< 1442780559 567605 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still barely understand it
< 1442780594 714893 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's pretty easy, really
< 1442780596 293934 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even after having learned a bit of Haskell
< 1442780612 814272 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: I know, I just don't have the vocabulary and didn't think to look things up last time
< 1442780633 744844 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are like two relevant rules in untyped lambda cslculus
< 1442780640 238818 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course
< 1442780657 462315 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just do something with it
< 1442780662 989831 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might also invent Kleene Arithmetic, which is basically just simplified Regex
< 1442780673 700286 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. write a map function for lists in lambda calculus
< 1442780691 91991 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The λ-calculus page on Esolangs needs some serious cleaning
< 1442780733 851405 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The openning section is far too logn
< 1442780737 801791 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*long
< 1442780748 226525 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92AA5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :The page on wikipedia is good iirc
< 1442780751 85173 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :b slog n
< 1442780765 485128 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like slog. It's my favorite operation
< 1442780789 668865 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless I can include summation
< 1442780792 98567 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My favorite function is the Pi Function
< 1442780866 88681 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer the notation b log n to log_b(n)
< 1442780869 951522 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't
< 1442780884 253780 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cause that would mean n log n is 1
< 1442780888 732406 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's more operationy
< 1442780914 285881 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think of log as a binary operation, not a set of functions that you reference with a subscript
< 1442780919 342493 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1442780932 65156 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though if I were to think of it that way, I'd prefer log[b](n), as that's more pythony
< 1442780950 261452 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh god
< 1442780963 815838 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just spent 5-10 minutes waiting for a lecture on λ-calculus to laod
< 1442780971 105660 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not only is it not the one I was looking for
< 1442780977 408743 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's in Comic Sans
< 1442780977 835827 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Math++14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=44284 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (+3548) 10Created page with "'''Math++''' is an esoteric programming language by SuperJedi224, defined by [http://pastebin.com/mnxZk1cz this java implementation.] All '''Math++''' variables are 64-bit IE..."
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< 1442781116 11366 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Math++14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44285&oldid=44284 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (+287) 10
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< 1442781161 994468 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Math++14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44286&oldid=44285 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (+64) 10/* Sample Programs */
< 1442781178 657152 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Math++14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44287&oldid=44286 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (+4) 10/* Sample Programs */
< 1442781252 871651 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], 5-10 minutes? From what service is that?
< 1442781261 927268 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds terrible
< 1442781268 784459 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Alaska Internet. And I think it was a big document
< 1442781289 393522 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], ah. I was about to ask if you were on ISS or something yeah
< 1442781292 979238 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that explains it
< 1442781293 808088 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Alaska Internet isn't the name of the service, "Alaska" is just a descriptor of what kind of Internet it is)
< 1442781321 436459 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-88-216.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
< 1442781323 665241 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], I'm on Swedish internet, so that just seemed plain wrong to me
< 1442781328 303288 :J_Arcane_!~chatzilla@37-219-88-216.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi NICK :J_Arcane
< 1442781342 543520 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The service I'm using is GCI, which is the fastest available internet in the state (or at least in Anchorage). I used to have a 1mb/s connection, but we switched to the one other available service.)
< 1442781366 799535 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], so now you have how much instead?
< 1442781375 733680 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(GCI is actually evil. They only deliver ~1/2 the speed they promise, but that speed is 8x better than the alternative)
< 1442781379 491910 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], I have 250 down, 10 up
< 1442781395 639604 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe GCI promises 16mb/s
< 1442781397 206071 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I actually get pretty close to that
< 1442781398 572016 :sc00fy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1442781413 354504 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :GRR I can't find an option to just use the pixels' outlines instead of trying to smooth it
< 1442781436 653781 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you get 8 mb/s?
< 1442781440 705521 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just waiting for the day when Free High-speed WiFi is declared a basic human right
< 1442781443 663114 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's poor
< 1442781445 951130 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: I believe it's about that
< 1442781451 83988 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's fast enough for me xD
< 1442781468 500144 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I /think/ it's 8mb/s, but I don't manage it
< 1442781471 587195 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], I get about 240 mbit/s down
< 1442781475 624475 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might be off by an order of magnitude
< 1442781477 536660 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:SuperJedi22414]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44288&oldid=43888 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (+13) 10
< 1442781478 311680 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I pay for 250
< 1442781479 255759 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll go do a speedtest now
< 1442781481 747627 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that seems reasonable
< 1442781512 801390 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The UK "fibre" (optical to some point, but generally VDSL for the last bit, at least in older places) nominal speeds are pretty weird, it's either 38/9.5 (down/up), or 76/19.
< 1442781513 844098 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :the 10 mbit/s up and getting about 8 mbit/s up actually is a bit more annoying
< 1442781520 604707 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :it takes forever to upload any large file
< 1442781533 866815 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, yes those are weird
< 1442781534 395120 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ping: 9ms
< 1442781545 380380 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've occasionally wondered whether they actually configure it 40/10 and 80/20, and just use a bit lower figures to avoid the usual "nobody actually gets the nominal speed" issues.
< 1442781546 499036 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], well that is good at least
< 1442781556 349684 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Down: 50 mbits/s
< 1442781565 367169 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? not too bad
< 1442781569 815191 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Math++14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44289&oldid=44287 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (+52) 10/* Sample Programs */
< 1442781573 102741 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Up: ~2 mbits/s
< 1442781578 960966 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I rarely upload things thoguh
< 1442781584 39052 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], shouldn't be that bad then
< 1442781591 236248 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still, the "standard" Finnish VDSL (download) speeds were 10, 50 and 100, so I'm not sure why they went with 40/80 here.
< 1442781597 368088 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really only GitHub and the lightweight uploading associated with fora usage and such
< 1442781638 313318 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Math++14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44290&oldid=44289 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (+5) 10/* Using the Map */
< 1442781647 360293 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to have email with Free Geek but now they have disabled the ability to login with SSH so now I cannot access it anymore (I don't know if possibly my account is deleted too)
< 1442781680 763289 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, the 80/20 hypothesis seems to be true: the VDSL2 modem reports nominal payload rates of 79999/19999 kbps.
< 1442781718 354273 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Are you a security nut?
< 1442781719 632053 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1442781739 258109 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I am, but only to the extent of browser extensions, firefox, and Duck Duck Go)
< 1442781783 486804 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Wait, don't you have your own website? Couldn't you set up an SMTP server on that?
< 1442781826 281867 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you're not interested in answers, you could send email even without that.
< 1442781828 80279 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], that is what I do, run SMTP + IMAP I mean
< 1442781845 908588 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: True
< 1442781858 769244 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still have a gmail, but I'm fazing it out
< 1442781870 799835 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the word is "phasing"
< 1442781879 205430 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah right
< 1442781879 815479 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could run my own SMTP server and I have done that occasionally before, mainly in order to receive message only sometimes and then cancel the daemon after message is received, therefore no spam messages are possible
< 1442781925 827483 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I try to send message to other SMTP server they tell me that it is graylisted and won't sent
< 1442781938 841388 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Fair enough. You could, of course, use 10-minute-mail to get RFK over to the people you're getting it to
< 1442781939 100791 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, that was one way I guess. I create a new alias for each web site I register with, that way I can trace who I started getting spam via and just delete that alias
< 1442781939 526773 :mauris_!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442781953 870611 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can get around graylisting by just retrying, without having to do anything special.
< 1442781963 952645 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, really?
< 1442781975 470644 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I did read the instructions and that is what it says, so I did try that, but it did not seem to work.
< 1442781976 82554 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I mean, that's what graylisting is.
< 1442781988 19623 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not "getting around" anything, it's how greylisting is supposed to work
< 1442781995 488000 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1442782004 432142 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does gray listing work?
< 1442782013 119547 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :And why would you be hit by it?
< 1442782018 150108 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just meant there's no reason to have a server do it, it should be quite doable manually.
< 1442782034 131420 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it just reports a temporary delivery failure to the submitting server; the server is supposed to try again later
< 1442782037 620829 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some sites graylist everything, so just not having sent them any mail before could be a sufficient reason.
< 1442782044 788798 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, ah
< 1442782062 811713 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: the idea is that most spammers don't actually run servers; they just dump their payload and move on.
< 1442782066 164930 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, seems it would slow down mail delivery, which could be annoying
< 1442782079 186029 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :S1: I'm making a set of Semi-Esoteric VMs
< 1442782081 752098 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Only for the first message from an unknown sending server.
< 1442782083 898301 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have any ideas?
< 1442782087 267757 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I currently have:
< 1442782099 543722 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1442782101 305703 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :* IndeterminantVM: Variable-length instructions
< 1442782102 314059 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: (But it does introduce delays, that can be sometimes -- but rarely -- long.)
< 1442782107 833480 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :* ThueVM: String-based
< 1442782113 681481 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :* GreekVM: Geometry-based
< 1442782125 574815 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92AA5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :By VM you mean?
< 1442782143 557027 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :* ArbourVM: Registries lie on a tree
< 1442782149 308629 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :VM as in Virtual Machine. Like the JVM
< 1442782161 412761 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even if I set up SMTP server and then disable some names when they are receive it, can still cause spam message to be received, they will still send it because the server is still reachable. You have to disable the SMTP server entirely to stop receiving spam messages
< 1442782168 557950 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92AA5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Call them interpreters
< 1442782212 224462 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hm how does one set up for example postfix to do gray listing I wonder
< 1442782212 438638 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :S1: But it runs bytecode, so it's closer to a VM than a traditional interpreter (like the python interpreter)
< 1442782234 227801 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is, technically, an interpreter though. Then again, so is a computer.
< 1442782238 864616 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], um. Python runs byte code
< 1442782248 571650 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Right, right. Forgot about that
< 1442782250 443700 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], what do you think the .pyc files are?
< 1442782253 999182 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92AA5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: Then you have to write a specification for bytecode first. Where is that?
< 1442782255 501105 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: postfwd + postgrey is I think a relatively common combination -- both are tools external to Postfix.
< 1442782260 280545 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I forgot about those
< 1442782262 923517 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ah
< 1442782283 698822 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :S1: https://github.com/ZodiacWorkingGroup/TaurusVM/tree/master/docs
< 1442782293 395094 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's where I'm gathering the Bytecodes
< 1442782293 665604 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], the only pure interpreter I can think of atm is probably bash. Perl also does byte code internally for example iirc
< 1442782307 554401 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fairly certain ruby does too
< 1442782313 961010 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: WalScript (my own language) is a pure interpreter
< 1442782332 625670 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's actually more than one VM gathered into the same Repo. They all have different properties for different ideas
< 1442782336 390816 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92AA5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't get it
< 1442782345 756989 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92AA5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I won't dig through code now
< 1442782346 100516 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What don't you get?
< 1442782349 837866 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: (First one is for configuring rules more flexibly than standard Postfix allows, and the second one is a greylisting tool. I don't think there's any reason why postgrey alone wouldn't suffice.)
< 1442782350 769707 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It isn't code
< 1442782356 913129 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's documentation
< 1442782370 11039 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I see
< 1442782378 154829 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, sounds annoying to configure though
< 1442782381 350143 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :S1: Here's the documentation for the instructions: https://github.com/ZodiacWorkingGroup/TaurusVM/blob/master/docs/IndeterminantVM/setdocs.txt
< 1442782405 731866 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though it might be confusing if you don't read this first: https://github.com/ZodiacWorkingGroup/TaurusVM/blob/master/docs/IndeterminantVM/fileformat.md
< 1442782405 909798 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92AA5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks like BANCStar
< 1442782434 742796 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :S1: It does, because BANCStar is practically a machine language
< 1442782447 459806 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92AA5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does ISA mean in this context?
< 1442782463 112117 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You aren't meant to write TaurusVM codes directly, you write assembly and the (to-be-developed) Assembler converts it to TaurusVM
< 1442782473 610413 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: A little, yes. They both hook up to the Postfix "policy server" mechanism, and I think postgrey's pretty good with working out-of-the-box (and included in Debian repositories). I ran it as a test, and it seemed to work, but I get so little mail at my own domain, it didn't seem worth it.
< 1442782474 626597 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ISA = Instruction Set Architecture
< 1442782515 763283 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I think greylisting works better on a server that receives large volumes of email, anyway, because then you'll have the greylisting decisions for the majority of sending mail servers "normal people" use cached all the time.
< 1442782550 353259 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92AA5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see. It's quite an easy spec.
< 1442782561 257940 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, right
< 1442782630 506519 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: The mail forwarding service I use does a DNS blacklist check and then graylists all mail that comes from blacklisted addresses; that seems like a pretty good combination to not avoid the greylisting delays, and still survive from blacklist mistakes.
< 1442782663 880028 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, mail forwarding? I thought you ran your own?
< 1442782679 33721 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92AA5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: So you're converting several esolangs into your bytecode and then have that one VM? Cause you said "semi-esoteric VMs" (plural)
< 1442782687 789765 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I run my own for zem.fi, but that's not my "real" email address.
< 1442782711 270022 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :S1: Basically, I have more than one VM (each with its own name) that are all under the umbrella of TaurusVM.
< 1442782719 365940 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I see
< 1442782744 181275 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A .taurus file (which is a TaurusVM executable) begins with a null-terminated ID string that tells the main executer which "sub-VM" the file uses
< 1442782757 833404 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92AA5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: So what are those other VMs doing? Translating esolangs into bytecode which then is interpreted by TaurusVM?
< 1442782759 894309 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The main executer then passes the rest of the file to that executer
< 1442782773 41735 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92AA5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, Sub-VM. What the heck
< 1442782776 105929 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :S1: I'm not translating Esolangs into Bytecode (well, I can)
< 1442782786 322074 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Sub-VM" is just a term because it's weird the way I did it
< 1442782790 43077 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92AA5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes
< 1442782796 658855 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ThueVM, GreekVM, and IndeterminantVM are all different VMs
< 1442782799 535287 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92AA5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: What is that bytecode spec for then?
< 1442782813 209028 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :S1: That spec is for one of the VMs.
< 1442782822 485382 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :IndeterminantVM.
< 1442782822 702456 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: The "real" one is an for an email forwarding service from a Finnish "internet activists" organization, pointed at whatever ISP mailbox seems to be handy. Ridiculously enough, I've still got it pointed at our Finnish ISP's email servers, because the Internet connection there is part of the apartment maintenance fees now, and we still own the place in Finland.
< 1442782833 299293 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :IndVM uses variable-length arguments
< 1442782857 156866 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92AA5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: And what does get translated into that bytecode? You just said you're not translating esolangs. So what then?
< 1442782866 227185 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, I should probably check the generated-by-default mailbox at the UK ISP some day. I'm sure there's some random promotional mail from the ISP or something in there.
< 1442782889 194877 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: Well, the thing that gets translated into Bytecode is an assembly language. Which is, truth be told, a bit of an esolang.
< 1442782927 23281 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92AA5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :And what does all that have to do with esolangs?
< 1442782929 406221 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1442782931 385075 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :An Esolang /can/ be translated into Assembly (or directly to a TVM VM), but that's not the main goal of this project
< 1442782938 432783 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :S1: Well, the VMs are esoteric
< 1442782942 514245 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92AA5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see
< 1442782951 545596 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92AA5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :written in what?
< 1442782965 565717 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Currently? Prototyped in Python. Later? C or C++
< 1442782984 646606 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92AA5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :The way you explain all this sure is esoteric, alright
< 1442782988 124092 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know
< 1442782991 70614 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm bad at explaining
< 1442783009 166323 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD
< 1442783031 573421 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1442783034 645493 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let me start over.
< 1442783045 814460 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to compose in a separate document then send it here.
< 1442783048 803545 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92AA5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you're translating an asm lang into bytecode which then is run by one of several sub-VMs...
< 1442783054 252726 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92AA5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds terrific, thx
< 1442783171 727184 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442783235 633931 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :TaurusVM is not actually a single VM (virtual machine). It is a collection of Semi-Esoteric virtual machines, each of which runs bytecode programs.
< 1442783236 41622 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The main VM under TVM (TaurusVM) is called "IndeterminantVM", and uses variable-length arguments through a process that need not be explained here.
< 1442783236 219676 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A TaurusVM executable (.taurus, specifically. .tau is different) is composed of an ID string (a null-terminated string explaining to the main executer which VM to use) followed by a flat binary.
< 1442783261 933192 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :S1: I can't tell if "That sounds terrific, thx" is sarcasm.
< 1442783320 336266 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92AA5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not really, no. A composed separate document would be more lovely than some bad explanation
< 1442783330 22328 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know, I'm working on it
< 1442783343 671705 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92AA5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(though the last three lines of yours where more understandable than before)
< 1442783367 290196 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1442783533 958878 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, any idea how hard/easy it would be to set up saned and cups for sharing a multi function printer from a RPi?
< 1442783550 731315 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :bf\0++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.
< 1442783557 12964 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, for some reason this seems like the kind of thing you would do
< 1442783652 818850 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92AA5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: 8
< 1442783683 796716 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`bf ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.
< 1442783687 679843 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :&
< 1442783698 127599 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92AA5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks similar
< 1442783720 595806 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92AA5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I counted ten too few, I think
< 1442783734 439306 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92AA5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`bf ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.
< 1442783735 318362 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :&
< 1442783736 908392 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92AA5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1442783799 28498 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it possible to make the UNIX printer driver to just send the printout to a directory on the HTTP server in an encrypted format, and to be able to receive it with a DOS program and send it to the printer?
< 1442783817 120828 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92AA5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Yes.
< 1442783834 250399 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, this seems like a silly thing to do, but knowing you you have a weird setup that requires this. And yes, probably
< 1442783864 207131 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :print to PDF and then get it over smbfs, (by DOS I assume you actually mean Windows)
< 1442783879 132287 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I mean DOS and not Windows. Also, I want PCL and not PDF
< 1442783881 682712 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :then presumably print it again on Windows
< 1442783887 127996 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, I have no idea
< 1442783898 82023 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I can already generate PCL though)
< 1442783905 82683 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And the printer accepts PCL)
< 1442783907 786478 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92AA5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd really like to see zzo38's setup
< 1442783937 414934 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you program it to do that so that the lp program will store the print jobs it receives by stdin into there and then treat it like normal print jobs otherwise except not send to printer?
< 1442784081 880861 :sc00fy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442784120 274132 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in
< 1442784211 524376 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :S1: There. The README is up-to-date and documents languages that will run on it.
< 1442784232 369524 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92AA5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: link again pls
< 1442784237 833828 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1442784260 264429 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92AA5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :plskthx
< 1442784261 253625 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/ZodiacWorkingGroup/TaurusVM/
< 1442784262 877393 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugh. I still can't generate a ttf that windows thinks is valid
< 1442784274 170158 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm now adding a section on the assemblers
< 1442784376 723476 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442784452 844945 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi, oerjan!
< 1442784477 669990 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92AA5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still don't get why several VMs are necessary but I guess questioning specs is pointless in the esolang community
< 1442784556 524674 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are we typing English into Japanese IMEs?
< 1442784583 991667 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :S1: Multiple VMs are not necessary, but it's more fun to make more than one
< 1442784590 351891 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92AA5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :more esoteric
< 1442784593 450684 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :イ’m権あぎヴぇてゃtあtry。
< 1442784611 998162 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I can't put them all together into a single VM, as some have features that conflict with othres
< 1442784613 868233 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :湯p、ティspろづせs染pれtty院テレs珍gレスltsイfイs田rtウィthあぉゑr嘉瀬ぇってr。
< 1442784622 304613 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92AA5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: Which are those features?
< 1442784628 627994 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: ow.
< 1442784638 83989 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I start with an uppercase letter, on the other hand, everything is fine.
< 1442784645 634132 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made up the VM too because I wanted to make some game program with a sufficiently simple VM that does not require any proprietary software, therefore I dod
< 1442784654 955667 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :S1: For example, all the registry manipulation in IndeterminantVM would collide with ThueVM's stringiness
< 1442784686 867299 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :He did. It was pretty good. I don't understand it.
< 1442784694 538592 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92AA5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :How exactly is registry defined here?
< 1442784697 118334 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: stランゲly、手ぇれ背絵ms戸部亜ぉT御Fカタカナ追うT付Tby酔うRIME.
< 1442784698 321121 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it doesn't run on Windows, because Termios
< 1442784702 896362 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :鋼の錬金術師
< 1442784716 717604 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just typed "hagane" and it suggested that completion.
< 1442784718 946201 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is awesome.
< 1442784726 110443 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's beautiful.
< 1442784736 884579 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :S1: Registries are 64-bit... things that store integers, floating point, characters, or whatever else you think up
< 1442784740 221391 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :You do, of course, know what 鋼の錬金術師 means.
< 1442784740 750346 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: That implementation may not; it would be possible to make a different implementation for Windows though
< 1442784750 730076 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Of course
< 1442784753 410152 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: not at all. google translating it.
< 1442784766 682039 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even know what I'm looking at
< 1442784777 439698 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92AA5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: Program symbols in general, I presume
< 1442784787 936720 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :NB: it gives you the English title instead of a literal translation of the Japanese title.
< 1442784788 419304 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made the feat for Dungeons&Dragons game it requires Open Minded, but taking this new feat and permanently losing a spell slot to earn more skill points. How many skill points would be the fair amount (in exchange for a feat and spell slot)? Currently I wrote 6 + slot level.
< 1442784795 279613 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just see a box with 4 zeroes. My font doesn't support it xD
< 1442784798 52697 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Open Minded gives you 5 skill points)
< 1442784798 956020 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: ha ha ha!
< 1442784819 215734 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :S1: Program symbols in general what, you presume?
< 1442784855 279118 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92AA5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: What you call registries seem to be... containers for program symbols
< 1442784865 295832 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92AA5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: like variables, functions, constants
< 1442784871 432794 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :S1: Basically, yes.
< 1442784889 103569 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a python programmer, so I don't understand low-level stuff very well xD
< 1442784894 533955 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92AA5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :lel
< 1442784904 149988 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you should learn the low-level stuff too
< 1442784939 872656 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92AA5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Knowing about low-level stuff can save you from making things too complicated once in a while
< 1442785080 103317 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92AA5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gotta go. I have a very important thing to finish until months end. See ya
< 1442785098 710182 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92AA5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de QUIT :Quit: We are the revolutionaries
< 1442785105 724007 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know how to play a Dungeons&Dragons game?
< 1442785170 460785 :APic!apic@apic.name JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442785183 140965 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I add a function to dump the contents of TaurusVM to a file?
< 1442785193 28566 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly make it an instruction?
< 1442785217 333369 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you find it useful for debugging or to make save file then you might do so
< 1442785239 574787 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :night
< 1442785277 100461 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442785511 730306 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1442785727 731627 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I don't know what I want to do though xD
< 1442785763 459979 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could, in theory, make a DUMP and a RETRIEVE instruction, which dump the VM's content to a file and get it from the file, respectively
< 1442786443 834024 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: hi
< 1442786452 291131 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi
< 1442786467 681792 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm writing example programs for Thube ("TOO-bee")
< 1442786503 768659 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES! YEEEEEESSSSSSSS
< 1442786518 265509 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I figuerd it out
< 1442786545 422370 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :First of all, boily was right, ttf doesn't work well anymore
< 1442786553 239613 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has to be an otf
< 1442786592 748290 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Second, I have to enlarge the font to 320 pixels tall, THEN vectorize it
< 1442786600 751738 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that kkeps it pixelated
< 1442786700 493583 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But this process is still much faster than the Flash-web-app -> fonforge to correct errors process
< 1442786721 10698 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :happy to kkep your font working!
< 1442786732 368073 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: DECONSTRUCTOR CHICKEN
< 1442786768 665371 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So now I can add any alphabet in unicode to my font, rather than just those supported by a web app from 2006
< 1442786806 695416 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…
< 1442786894 677345 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Thube14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44291&oldid=44233 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+1298) 10Examples
< 1442786983 158192 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: i forgot to tell you that there's already a language called "Thubi", with the exact same pronunciation.
< 1442786993 475555 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Thube14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44292&oldid=44291 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+6) 10Fixed code (forgot some spaces)
< 1442786996 217484 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(hi tswett)
< 1442787005 954460 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Awesome! More confusion!
< 1442787096 739282 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This is the article for the programming language Thubi. Not to be confused with the programming language Thubi."
< 1442787180 233536 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: not same spelling hth
< 1442787231 142191 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh
< 1442787323 880115 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :does Thube involve tubes twh and possibly give a bilingual pun
< 1442787402 415305 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442787429 676959 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Ohio.
< 1442787455 467910 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Thue is a norwegian surname with pretentious Th spelling; tube is a word in norwegian and english, although the meanings are slightly different but overlapping.)
< 1442787498 256986 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Thube14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44293&oldid=44292 5* 03Orenwatson 5* (+34) 10biguated it
< 1442787515 242914 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the norwegian word means mostly a container, not the other english meanings. i guess it was borrowed.
< 1442787549 998882 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Thube14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44294&oldid=44293 5* 03Orenwatson 5* (+2) 10corrected it
< 1442787554 721294 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :given it was patented in the US
< 1442787558 584346 :mauris_!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
< 1442787588 432301 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. The spec for Thubi isn't very well written.
< 1442787592 29227 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :when you correct something incorrectly, you have rrected it
< 1442787632 385450 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rrected comes from Latin rrectare, whence also rekt comes.
< 1442787727 472664 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :related by indo-european roots to the germanic English word "wreck"
< 1442787777 314871 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Thube14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44295&oldid=44294 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+1375) 10Badly-done Syntax documentation (next step: Libraries)
< 1442787804 102028 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: Oh. Sorry. Didn't realize you edited it
< 1442787863 144235 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Thube14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44296&oldid=44295 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+70) 10Example of subprograms
< 1442788090 425917 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :all I did was add a biguation
< 1442788129 761118 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :such bigotry
< 1442788146 676282 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you had added it to the other page, it would have been a beguation.
< 1442788152 353362 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such hypothetical begotry.
< 1442788164 335703 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :look what you've begotten
< 1442788164 513629 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth
< 1442788180 553175 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I haven't forgotten.
< 1442788187 841208 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't begat anyone (uh, hopefully, anyway)
< 1442788244 383125 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bigots beget bogus bogeymen
< 1442788267 721520 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's let bygones be bygones, and begone.
< 1442788348 928671 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Thube14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44297&oldid=44296 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+616) 10Three libraries (stdio, fileio, socket)
< 1442788407 51464 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um...
< 1442788423 752030 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yah
< 1442788428 792781 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You people are even weirder than my IRL friends.
< 1442788430 772682 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay!
< 1442788449 731523 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lololol obviously
< 1442788483 916152 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay!
< 1442788498 763742 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Thube14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44298&oldid=44297 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+7) 10oerjan should probably read this.
< 1442788563 357845 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY
< 1442788596 606415 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :except those biguation things should normally be at the top
< 1442788636 953904 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should be
< 1442788639 628787 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shall I move it?
< 1442788674 469393 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll do it and get the formatting right
< 1442788723 900950 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Thube14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44299&oldid=44298 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+5) 10fmt, placement
< 1442788869 133602 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Template:ToBeConfused14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=44300 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+50) 10Created Template
< 1442788906 541471 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Thube14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44301&oldid=44299 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (-18) 10Made biguation template
< 1442788958 454516 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Template:ToBeConfused14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44302&oldid=44300 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+5) 10Fixed template
< 1442788977 500079 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Template:ToBeConfused14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44303&oldid=44302 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+4) 10Still fixing it
< 1442788994 932876 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There we go!
< 1442789030 591032 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Template:ToBeConfused14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44304&oldid=44303 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (-4) 10Removed possibly extraneous spaces
< 1442789043 461884 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1442789044 135170 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done
< 1442789048 602652 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07StackStacks14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44305&oldid=41842 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+5) 10fmt, placement
< 1442789066 172982 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I made your thing at the top into a template
< 1442789147 565970 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Template:Derivative14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=44306 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+50) 10Created Template
< 1442789169 257697 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Template:Derivative14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44307&oldid=44306 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (-2) 10Corrected bold to italics
< 1442789199 755378 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Thube14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44308&oldid=44301 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+20) 10Derivative template
< 1442789224 273970 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Template:Derivative14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44309&oldid=44307 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+1) 10Fixed the link
< 1442789235 805487 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There
< 1442789239 853462 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think we needed that
< 1442789254 485524 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now "YetAnotherDerivative" perhaps?
< 1442789281 779840 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you forgot periods hth
< 1442789301 514015 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh right
< 1442789304 331968 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll go add them
< 1442789333 986982 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure about that Derivative template.
< 1442789380 647891 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Redcode14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44310&oldid=39363 5* 0368.255.6.120 5* (+1925) 10
< 1442789462 985030 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Is it possible to make a template content conditional on whether a certain argument is passed to it?
< 1442789546 947388 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I could make it so if an argument 2 is given to the Derivative template, it says "This language is a derivative of [[{{{1}}}]] that {{{2}}}." and if it doesn't, it just says "This language is a derivative of [[{{{1}}}]]"?
< 1442789550 263862 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably, but i don't know that much templates
< 1442789558 832612 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think MediaWiki supports such thing
< 1442789569 125386 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you probably know
< 1442789589 353164 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Redcode14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44311&oldid=44310 5* 0368.255.6.120 5* (+1) 10
< 1442789622 751171 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: let me read scrollback
< 1442789633 103512 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: the normal way to do that is with #if but it isn't implemented
< 1442789635 590204 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is an eso way too
< 1442789640 209944 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, i'mma add Canadian Sylabic
< 1442789641 152149 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION seems to be built upside down today: nose runs, feet smell
< 1442789661 725094 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: look at the history of template:qif on Wikipedia (although note that you can't use that code directly because copyright)
< 1442789728 83778 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: basically, the upshot is a) it's possible, b) it's not /supposed/ to be possible without the ParserFunctions extension, but c) MediaWiki has a higher computational class than most people realies
< 1442789730 769039 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*realise
< 1442789740 75064 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah
< 1442789748 193615 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'll just leave the Derivative Template as-is
< 1442789767 387566 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, we have ParserFunctions installed
< 1442789768 505806 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it really needs to explain what it does. That's what the immediately following paragraph is for xD
< 1442789769 575459 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :way to ruin the fun
< 1442789777 530156 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: use #if:, then
< 1442789789 437420 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :{{#if:|a|b}} is equivalent to b, {{#if:anything|a|b}} is equivalent to a
< 1442789796 785660 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that should be enough information to make the template you want
< 1442789800 124576 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll remember that for if I aver want to do that
< 1442789808 60063 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :
< 1442789845 360644 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Template:Derivative14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44312&oldid=44309 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+1) 10Added a period
< 1442789892 81498 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Template:ToBeConfused14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44313&oldid=44304 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+1) 10Added a period
< 1442790112 160938 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth
< 1442790217 794074 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just realized that as far as I've been told, I have never encountered a girl on this channel
< 1442790230 469172 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then again, there are no girls on the internet
< 1442790470 483179 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has happened. i think there are at least two here now.
< 1442790537 381919 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there might be more who choose not to publicize it.
< 1442790569 351510 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are still most likely a small fraction here.
< 1442790573 401337 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Sinatra14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=44314 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+118) 10Marked account as dead
< 1442790600 392153 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course
< 1442790669 464178 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User talk:Virgolang14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=44315 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+207) 10To IRC!
< 1442790735 803914 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehhhhh the "there are no girls on the internet" mantra is pretty gross and 4channy
< 1442790806 351135 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mauris: All men on the internet are men. All women on the internet are men. All little girls on the internet are FBI agents. Male ones.
< 1442790809 406022 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i never really did "figure it out" as they say, like there is very blatant evidence to the contrary, no matter how narrow you take "the internet"
< 1442790825 781982 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, 4chan is no longer in power; it's now 8chan
< 1442790831 685450 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Pronounced "Infinity Chan")
< 1442790862 842243 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay i've managed to completely miss the existence of 8chan
< 1442790875 345718 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The main thing is, a lot of these spaces are rather uncomfortable for women (could go into it but suffice it to say: things conspire to make them feel unwelcome) so not many are here and those who are, don't like advertizing it much.
< 1442790889 78294 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think that's an issue *here in particular*, but it happens on IRC, sadly.
< 1442790906 551823 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hear they took 4chan's awful mindset and made it even more terrible & sexist & racist, congratulations 8chan
< 1442790976 913090 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'd say "there are no girls on the Internet" generally isn't a good thing to say.
< 1442790981 992043 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1442791006 488602 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mauris: yo that "yoneda lemma" method for proving types equivalent was pretty neat
< 1442791027 199038 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are a lot of girls on Facebook
< 1442791033 536545 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is, isn't it!
< 1442791036 797131 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, it's probably not a huge deal.
< 1442791037 917844 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe the amount of use is approx. equal, but some communities on the Internet are exceptionally gendered.
< 1442791050 99095 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i have a vague feeling that it may be a bit under the carpet to actually _prove_ it...
< 1442791075 986077 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, how so?
< 1442791132 395705 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Math++14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44316&oldid=44290 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (+114) 10
< 1442791173 397923 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i should shut up until i've actually seen the proof (in haskell context)
< 1442791268 227585 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the record, if it's the thing i asked on SO, it was limited to "proving a type is isomorphic to () if you Yoneda it around a billion times"
< 1442791317 884556 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :to show that there's only one value in it. but it probably extends to other type equivalences
< 1442791396 812424 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mauris: well it's also pretty easy to use it to show e.g. forall a. a -> a -> a ~ Bool, i think
< 1442791527 296126 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :first, that's equivalent to forall a. (Bool -> a) -> a
< 1442791535 790039 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :then, the lemma.
< 1442791624 230997 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm in fact, you get forall a. a -> a -> f a ~ f Bool
< 1442791723 125299 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Functor f)
< 1442791918 532819 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know answer of my question relating to the Dungeons&Dragons game?
< 1442791943 576960 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the part of the lemma i feel awkward about is showing that the map from f b to forall a. (b -> a) -> f a is onto.
< 1442791996 344918 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems like it would require a deeper result about the parametricity of f
< 1442792063 640681 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Extra Slot is another feat though
< 1442792250 967652 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know a few things about Yoneda lemma, not a lot
< 1442793106 936809 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442793339 90260 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
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< 1442793901 863978 :sc00fy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1442794354 417720 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm back
< 1442795642 961053 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Major change #1 in Zodiac Lisp: AFAICT, the function call cannot be another SExp. In LIZP (or whatever I call it), this will be possible:
< 1442795680 664782 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :((if (= op 'sub') - +) 1 2 3 4 5)
< 1442795822 575049 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
< 1442796055 403963 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still like the idea of adjectives for OO...
< 1442796084 441274 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps an adjective called "fat" in a language that makes you deal with memory?
< 1442796160 123737 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :person = class(){__init__ = function(object self, short age){short self.age = age}}
< 1442796168 290612 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm unconfortable with - taking more than two arguments
< 1442796194 760315 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if you create "person" with the "fat" descriptor, then the "short"s become "long"s
< 1442796203 142439 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: Subtraction is just adding the inverse
< 1442796225 642555 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Think of (- 1 2 3 4 5) as (+ 1 -2 -3 -4 -5)
< 1442796232 53568 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes but
< 1442796243 168902 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know what makes ME uncomfortable?
< 1442796249 270964 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Multiple-argument /bit shifts/
< 1442796260 844094 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(<< 16 2) is OK
< 1442796269 749 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But (<< 16 2 3)!? WTF!?
< 1442796285 924980 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does that mean?
< 1442796310 934850 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :<< is the bitwise left shift, at least in python
< 1442796322 722721 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure in most languages that support it
< 1442796389 894435 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: Or do you not know what bitshift is? xD
< 1442796451 672132 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :so (<< 16 2 3) is like (16 << 2) << 3 in c?
< 1442796473 793822 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it must be
< 1442796487 966037 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, that's the only interpretation I can think of
< 1442796501 463068 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Either that or 16 << (2 << 3)
< 1442796508 79590 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But probably the first one
< 1442796811 265090 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: I'm trying to make The λ-Calculus easier to understand by inventing λ-Arithmetic, for people to start with. It's part of the ZWG's "Elementary School CS" project. Do you have any ideas?
< 1442796825 849063 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is zwg?
< 1442796846 575637 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zodiac Working Group
< 1442796895 216340 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a group I started attempting to make the products of a tendency towards Esolangs useful and more widespread
< 1442796916 479379 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would make them less eso-, wouldn't it?
< 1442796929 99088 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example, actual, useful programming languages that are nothing like what normal programming languages are
< 1442796940 924680 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: Yes, but such is the cost of bettering humanity through the esoteric
< 1442796974 705530 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The first attempt at the aforementioned type of language was Stare, for which the jury is still out on whether it's a useful thing)
< 1442797005 90327 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The goal is to create more Perls and Haskells for the world)
< 1442797085 454165 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So do you have any suggestions for λ-Arithmetic?
< 1442797123 778620 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not good at inventing things
< 1442797135 278044 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you understand the λ-Calculus?
< 1442797138 124945 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I barely do
< 1442797155 869604 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok that doesn't sound like a great starting point for inventing a new branch of it
< 1442797200 176222 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know
< 1442797201 124871 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD
< 1442797204 417062 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm learning about it though
< 1442797258 594553 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :why did you say "more Perls and Haskells"?
< 1442797268 258054 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean they're really different
< 1442797290 602938 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because they're so different, but they have their uses.
< 1442797304 881834 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :AND they help expand the minds of programmers, get them to think in different ways
< 1442797362 790808 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Programmers are smart, but not smart enough. The goal of the ZWG is to get programmers so smart that we become telepathic and can use our infinite glorious knowledge to become gods and rule over the universe with an iron fist as a massive collective wait what?
< 1442797380 876680 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You saw nothing.
< 1442797421 920096 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :that escalated quickly
< 1442797430 332796 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :err... nothing escalated quickly
< 1442797443 100349 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good.
< 1442797794 477127 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
< 1442797916 236818 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442798501 896074 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to make yet another website documenting all of the math...
< 1442799028 132861 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442799115 897269 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But my "All of the Math" website would be targetted at people with a genuine interest in mathematics, as opposed to those who just need to get their homework done so they can pass
< 1442799295 872129 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Math++14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44317&oldid=44316 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (+113) 10
< 1442799331 512695 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: what do you mean by λ-Arithmetic?
< 1442799369 30989 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: I was just making things up xD. I was wondering if it was possible to create a simpler λ-calculus that need not be TC, but would be a good way to start learning about it
< 1442799391 981693 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The same way it's easier to figure out normal Calculi if you already understand how to add
< 1442799546 463978 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lambda calculus isn't really related to differential calculus, though.
< 1442799598 891474 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :The word "calculus" in "lambda calculus" means "collection of symbol manipulation rules".
< 1442799629 884866 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: I know, but that doesn't mean there isn't a much simpler thing that one could think of as the "arithmetic" of λness, though I suppose arithmetic wouldn't be the proper word for it
< 1442799651 208432 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That doesn't mean there is, either, of course
< 1442799653 570500 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :first order lambda calc?
< 1442799666 657916 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about last order lambda calculus? xD
< 1442799675 342660 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've given up on λ-arithmetic
< 1442799679 314054 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I'm remember that name
< 1442799728 146561 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If, someday, I happen to be good with λ-calculus and want to help others understand it too (and they don't already), I might make a paper or a book called "λ-arithmetic" just as a pun
< 1442799755 882838 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
< 1442799790 746636 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I might've said this before, but I'm saying it now because I don't think I did)
< 1442799810 313908 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I first checked my school district's requirements to graduate, I was a /little/ angry
< 1442799819 942754 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://worrydream.com/AlligatorEggs/
< 1442799820 298459 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you may try non-Church encoding of arithmetics in \lambda calculus
< 1442799832 975897 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You need 4 credits Social Studies and English
< 1442799849 444662 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But only 3 in math and 3 (or maybe less) in science
< 1442799866 270367 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And thus, I was like "OK school district, what the FUCK are you doing"
< 1442799895 798224 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then, in my Algebra II class, the teacher was talking about how some people hit a ceiling on their ability to comprehend math.
< 1442799898 484484 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I realized
< 1442799901 865708 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not a problem
< 1442799904 833555 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I always hated english but had difficulty articulating that
< 1442799913 634993 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD
< 1442799918 863204 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The problem is that they require so much english and Social Studies.
< 1442799944 223890 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :People don't necessarily need Math and Science, but others don't necessarily need English and Social Studies
< 1442799984 74628 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I decided you shouldn't be required to take more math, because then some people would never graduate because they hit a ceiling on their ability to comprehend abstract mathematical concepts
< 1442800019 265044 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should be able to graduate on a fixed number of credits from /any/ class with some low minimums on how many can be from each subject
< 1442800029 543408 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you graduated yet?
< 1442800033 237495 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's how civilization dies
< 1442800036 899112 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope
< 1442800069 114068 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That way, people who are great at writing but suck at math don't hit a ceiling, and people who are great at math but not so much at writing could greaduate on math credits
< 1442800090 34324 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: You couldn't get away with /no/ SS and English, but you also couldn't get away wiht /no/ math and science
< 1442800130 350350 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And there will always be people who are good at math and science and enjoy it, so the idea that if we don't require as much then no one at all will understand it doesn't make sense
< 1442800144 41228 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :by that reasoning, why are we forcing people to take their first grade math classes?
< 1442800152 660128 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :we have calculators
< 1442800161 351722 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :we don't need to be able to sum
< 1442800167 983741 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tradition
< 1442800174 694789 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: Because no one who doesn't have some serious issue hits the ceiling at first grade math
< 1442800179 923768 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It still help to know how sum works, even if you can do it by calculator
< 1442800192 829047 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :but children hit their ceilings
< 1442800217 778224 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a BIG difference between having trouble at first grade math and being mentally unable to understand differential calculus
< 1442800220 76300 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For simple sums I don't use the calculator, it is easy enough without
< 1442800220 627491 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :brett victor says we don't need as much analytic math because direct simulation can get many results that matter to us
< 1442800221 882859 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1442800225 330828 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: no there isn't
< 1442800241 538622 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :calculus is easy
< 1442800257 67013 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :conceptually
< 1442800260 148677 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesthiswork: For you and me it is (well, I haven't gotten there yet, but it should be)
< 1442800292 511845 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything that's taught in school classes is easy
< 1442800306 675274 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps for you
< 1442800314 391624 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, for the most part, for me
< 1442800327 284280 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm good at learning, bad at showing I did it on homework)
< 1442800345 68008 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :being easy is the reason they're teaching it in school classes
< 1442800371 218149 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1442800382 826423 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've always wanted to create a YouTube lecture series that teaches math.
< 1442800394 411978 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I work as agricultural labor, all my coworkers can understand what a derivative is even if they don't know how that matches to written formulas.
< 1442800399 718242 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not all of them are good at easy; the art class is difficult, I dropped it.
< 1442800424 227570 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: I want to see a video that works from arithmetic to calculus in pure mathematics
< 1442800426 889658 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No analogies
< 1442800477 252428 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then I hate to burst your bubble--there are gonna be analogies everywhere.
< 1442800478 170179 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just a short part of the video that defines some primitive symbols, then uses those symbols to define more complex things, and works up to extreme complexity
< 1442800481 28771 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no matter how much calculus you know, you'll never become the suppository of all wisdom
< 1442800491 372235 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-- Tony Abbot
< 1442800495 62522 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: In your video if you do it?
< 1442800496 969301 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's fine
< 1442800499 221624 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :analogies are the difficult part
< 1442800503 747643 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't need you to do it personally xD
< 1442800506 738795 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, you're talking about something else.
< 1442800517 678560 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are the part that takes the most effort to learn
< 1442800524 127045 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: Let's assume that people having trouble with calc is the same as people having trouble wiht multiplication.
< 1442800525 714574 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think for every concept, I'd have three things: the intuition behind the concept, the definition of the concept, and a bunch of examples.
< 1442800535 769501 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok let's
< 1442800538 813636 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, of course, an explanation of how these all relate to each other.
< 1442800549 983059 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I figure my target audience is bright adults who just happen to have never learned this stuff.
< 1442800553 713658 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I would want is more of the books, the problem is they make too many videos which mean some things I cannot find in books so well
< 1442800584 872321 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some things are difficult with analogies, some things are difficult without analogies, some things are difficult either way, and some analogies are difficult.
< 1442800590 294741 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, can we agree that an average third grader is mentally incapable of understanding calculus, even if given all the resources needed to understand the things before it?
< 1442800621 752558 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, more generally, that there's a minimum age that some people are capable of understanding some things?
< 1442800635 37334 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :no we can't agree on that
< 1442800646 116455 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: I do not know the answers to those questions, although it may also differ by people, not just age, anyways
< 1442800649 268796 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: On which one?
< 1442800656 344192 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: That's what I meant
< 1442800663 689134 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Keyword: Average
< 1442800687 787251 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Either way I don't know. (Also the first one you mentioned average, not the second one)
< 1442800707 591961 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: In the second one, I said "some people"
< 1442800711 592747 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the point is not age, is that to understand some concepts you need this and this and that
< 1442800716 813080 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but which people?
< 1442800724 362855 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my mom taught middle school math and the big concept that she tried to make sure everyone understood before they moved on was ratios and proportional relationships
< 1442800726 520678 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you need to take this class and that class etc..
< 1442800746 857873 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: You are probably correct.
< 1442800760 802703 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I'm trying to express that people learn at different rates, and though I'm ready for algebra II now, the people in the middle of the bell curve are not
< 1442800773 152156 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Age may have something to do with it possibly, but a lot of other things are more important
< 1442800835 48647 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: Can we agree on what I just said? Some people are prepared to learn things earlier than others?
< 1442800856 953503 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That much I can agree with at least
< 1442800862 123147 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :never
< 1442800894 743638 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera?
< 1442800905 530177 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the tiebreaker
< 1442800920 711608 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Theology is especially difficult though; I have confused well-educated religious people with it a lot
< 1442800936 36142 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah xD
< 1442800937 481567 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: go on
< 1442800967 186145 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So we can agree on that though? Person A might be ready to learn something years before Person B?
< 1442800997 237255 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ssqappubznuzyqcv QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity
< 1442801010 952041 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I have two more axioms to agree on)
< 1442801026 208319 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll just take that as a yes then
< 1442801035 126601 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know how different the human brain was 10000 years ago, but i'm pretty sure they didn't teach multiplication in schools
< 1442801051 655346 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :were they incapable of learning it?
< 1442801083 93199 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: Possibly, but probably not.
< 1442801086 469944 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :10,000 years ago? I'd say probably just about the same.
< 1442801116 968039 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Multiplication is something that I would guess anyone without some serious condition is capable of understanding by third grade
< 1442801129 115062 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But not by the time they're 3, necessarily
< 1442801143 369967 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about learning english?
< 1442801166 53481 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, three year olds understand division much more better than multiplication
< 1442801175 743977 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :my grandma doesn't speak english, and mine isn't that good
< 1442801191 711342 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: What we decide on here will encompass all four major subjects, I assume. We just happen to be focusing on math, as we're all geeks here
< 1442801243 963824 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Proposition #2: Can it be agreed that there are jobs that one can be good at without understanding calculus that AREN'T just manual labor?
< 1442801270 121873 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :they teached me how to play flute
< 1442801277 166413 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i never needed it past that class
< 1442801285 897971 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1442801323 510429 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Programming is one example of prop #2
< 1442801327 527929 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :My dad's job is definitely a highly skilled occupation, and I don't think he remembers how calculus works.
< 1442801334 622036 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Proposition #3: Can it be agreed that, though there is most certainly a link, one can be very far to the right on a bell curve in one subject but average or below in another
< 1442801356 162241 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesthiswork: Usually, yes. Unless you're at NASA. Then all bets are off.
< 1442801397 364162 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That's the final proposition, BTW)
< 1442801442 972775 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm bored waiting, so let's assume the answer is yes.
< 1442801453 634449 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem isn't that
< 1442801500 712259 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't understand that the point of schools is to teach everyone the basics of various subjects
< 1442801505 741089 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :the *basics*
< 1442801571 686539 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Proposition 1: Some people are ready to learn things earlier than others
< 1442801572 156853 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Proposition 2: You can get a good job without understanding Advanced Calculus or knowing the hidden meaning of Shakespear or what the Magna Carta was
< 1442801572 334808 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Proposition 3: One can be good at one subject and average or bad at another
< 1442801584 195987 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are those all agreeable to you, izabera zzo38 and doesthiswork?
< 1442801596 470734 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :To me they are, yes
< 1442801621 88761 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But izabera even said that isn't the point
< 1442801659 802800 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :True.
< 1442801673 377654 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My argument is partially that Calculus isn't necessarily the basics
< 1442801696 866346 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depending on who you are
< 1442801700 835557 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesthiswork?
< 1442801752 390062 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Property 1: The average student takes Calculus in their senior year
< 1442801752 705959 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Property 2: Some people are below average
< 1442801771 411116 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Not going to ask for agreement on those because those are pretty much facts, AFAIK)
< 1442801779 250315 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I'm not really properly participating in the discussion, I'm just taking potshots when it is amusing
< 1442801785 802730 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah
< 1442801786 465940 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1442801812 167812 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no coherent point to make
< 1442801832 180904 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Theorem 1: Some people aren't ready to learn Calculus by their senior year (Property 1+Property 2+Proposition 3)
< 1442801856 357138 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :how old are people in their senior year?
< 1442801880 343608 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no senior year here
< 1442801901 775759 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Corrolary to Theorem 1: Those people can still do well in life (Proposition 2)
< 1442801908 642192 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: 17-18 I believe
< 1442801939 185861 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that's my entire argument
< 1442801949 442564 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Corrolary to Theorem 1 is the best I've got
< 1442801954 469701 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course they can still do well in life
< 1442801966 162832 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what people did in 1500 when calculus didn't exist
< 1442801979 658426 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I don't think izabera was necessarily arguing that every one should be required to take calculus
< 1442802002 672490 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :He was objecting to you drawing the line by difficulty
< 1442802009 690089 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: Well, to be fair, people did well in life when math barely existed back when we were cavemen. You can't do well in life with no understanding of math now.
< 1442802046 196761 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm arguing that Calculus is not necessary if you're not good at calculus because Property 3: People tend to want to do things they're good at
< 1442802073 462771 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm pretty sure that's a thing. Let me leave science for a minute and check what Sociology has to say)
< 1442802126 151870 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, don't go check, that breaks the rules of discussion.
< 1442802131 662289 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I give up. Don't know where to find documents on that.
< 1442802166 196733 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesthiswork: I'm pretty sure that the rules of Internet Debate are that if you don't check that you're right when you're unsure, you're an idiot and shouldn't be debating
< 1442802190 611567 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No: "if you don't know, make it up".
< 1442802213 662388 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'mma release the first version of my font since I switched away from fontstruct soon
< 1442802286 205357 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In other news, I think I like this format. It seems much more effective a form of arguing to establish a list of propositions and properties and making sure everyone's on the same page prior to starting your argument
< 1442802314 435268 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :THEN making your argument in the form of theorems, lemmas, and conjectures
< 1442802331 178022 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that an conjecture?
< 1442802342 279978 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't like this format as you're not proving anything
< 1442802352 483062 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`olist 1005
< 1442802354 184279 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olist 1005: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly boily nortti
< 1442802368 882257 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't we have this olist days ago?
< 1442802419 167536 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this that manual rss feed again?
< 1442802434 47300 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i must have missed it then...
< 1442802434 225394 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@173-164-145-244-SFBA.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442802455 863657 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesthiswork: Why yes it is
< 1442802506 724360 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: I suppose your'e not proving anything, but it seems more clear and concise, and it eliminates the factor of the 2+ parties having completely different view on how this works
< 1442802545 766652 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: hm i suspect evil durkon may have made a mistake killing too many of the maintenance people...
< 1442802548 474456 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could write up a standard for this debate form
< 1442802601 893318 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't remember where the link to the standards site is
< 1442802799 267401 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: i think that's not necessarily what's happening at all. people aren't _really_ agreeing, they're _tentatively_ agreeing in order to continue the discussion. that's because the propositions you pose are not either obviously true or false, nor do we have the skills to easily discern which it is.
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< 1442802824 744139 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Oh :/
< 1442802848 757554 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well alternatively, it might be a good way to cheat at arguing xD
< 1442802940 587949 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so your conclusion is that less credits in each category should be required, right?
< 1442803047 938882 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesthiswork: My conclusion is similar to that. It's that, though you should be required to get a certain amount of credits AND you should be required to get a minimum number of credits in each subject, the minimum in each subject should be lower, and you should have the freedom to choose what you're best at for additional credits
< 1442803103 575483 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So basically, instead of 3 in math and 4 in english, perhaps 2 in math and 2 in english, but have the same number of require credits total. That frees people to focus more on what they're good at and doesn't put someone who simply isn't ready to comprehend the mysteries of calculus into a calculus class
< 1442803133 445738 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to make up my own geometric system. Anyone have any ideas for axioms I could use?
< 1442803175 96501 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if i suck at math/english/science/geography/history but 'm good at something that's not taught in schools?
< 1442803188 397234 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :like playing pokemon
< 1442803190 516848 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :あ
< 1442803193 782350 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :can i get credits for that?
< 1442803230 598067 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :only on the internet
< 1442803241 545443 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the argument for lowering each requirement is that more is unnecessary?
< 1442803271 277250 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the argument for requiring a certain amount of credits total?
< 1442803323 861773 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: It has to be something that you can actually reasonably get by on in life
< 1442803328 553037 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm probably wrong
< 1442803342 589317 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This argument was mostly a channel for me to think about it
< 1442803364 390911 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So
< 1442803367 475854 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Esoteric Geometry
< 1442803368 242291 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ZH4E8GG9vwm3OelIxjmnyYvjxAOwxGMTEr2ON5tWeSw/edit?usp=sharing
< 1442803382 230433 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, can i get credits for plowing a field?
< 1442803427 610604 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which one of you is currently in the doc?
< 1442803440 724728 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i opened the link
< 1442803512 77198 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1442803618 339423 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :why did we move from an irc chat to chat in a google document?
< 1442803679 742652 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :beacuse cloud computing, internet of thingies, somethingsomething.io
< 1442803767 645939 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\ is right
< 1442803882 588537 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's a dimension?
< 1442803925 328873 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is is like a parallel universe where women are men and men are women
< 1442804002 111435 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: In geometry... a dimension... normal geometry is 2D or sometimes 3D.
< 1442804024 137060 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what is it?
< 1442804029 24996 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've tried to do this before, but we wound up with a bunch of left triangle bullshit. I'm hoping to avoid that this time
< 1442804064 395622 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDream
< 1442804113 278809 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: A dimension is, essentially, a series of (n-1)-dimensional spaces (where n is the number of dimensions in question) along a line that is positioned a right angle to all other dimensions
< 1442804115 21267 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess?
< 1442804184 81166 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're using the word you're defining in the definition
< 1442804200 187778 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a bunch of other undefined terms
< 1442804207 558045 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: It's recursively defined
< 1442804209 499580 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD
< 1442804227 601359 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I forgot a base case
< 1442804237 263721 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well
< 1442804238 784516 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :look, this has been done before
< 1442804239 272144 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^c
< 1442804247 211714 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course it has been
< 1442804260 22983 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It never comes out as elegant as traditional geometry, but it works
< 1442804262 510876 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suggest you to try to read some past work before trying to reinvent everything
< 1442804273 792465 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fair enough
< 1442804275 775805 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's not elegant?
< 1442804296 403127 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :People trying to invent their own geometry
< 1442804309 162129 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I imagine it never makes much sense
< 1442804316 423570 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1442804316 781326 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it still technically works
< 1442804379 612654 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: Do you know of any good sources I could go to to find papers on irregular axiomatic systems in geometry?
< 1442804563 374431 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :we had a course about this, it was called "introduction to mathematic thinking"
< 1442804599 336730 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was more of something that brings students from different schools to a common starting point
< 1442804611 390382 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they did stuff in hyperbolic geometry
< 1442804620 447772 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a English document of "Hina-Di" format? Right now I cannot find any English one nor is the Japanese one accessible
< 1442804634 777409 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :and euclid and proving simple theorems etc...
< 1442804657 972542 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's not real need to add buzzwords to make it sound complex because it really isn't
< 1442804687 914048 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/not/no/
< 1442804704 129552 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :you define your set of rules, then play according to them
< 1442804797 343265 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's something called taxicab geometry, it's basically discrete geometry
< 1442804849 372287 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fun thing is that squares are also circles and the diagonal of a square is 2x its side, etc...
< 1442805050 304366 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it possible to make CSS rules that select based on other CSS rules? I want to make a rule that selects on "text-decoration: blink" and animates such elements. I also want to disable all CSS animations that I have not defined myself
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< 1442805647 899 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I don't think so
< 1442805671 139233 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would also want to be able to selectively disable other kind of CSS rules
< 1442805671 406591 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you can look for css with a user script and then replace it with other css though
< 1442805823 823126 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I finally figured out the full incantations and rituals necessary to convert a .bdf font into a .otf font with no blurriness or rounded edges
< 1442805851 391157 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does it mean to release a font?
< 1442805864 514290 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean what happens then? you stop improving it?
< 1442805883 684498 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It means I upload that version to my sebsite
< 1442805900 183764 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will keep working on it until I get tired of doing so
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< 1442805911 461558 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/sebsite/website/
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< 1442807133 682418 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :⦀⦁⦂⦃⦄⦅⦆⦇⦈⦉⦊⦋⦌⦍⦎⦏⦐⦑⦒⦓⦔⦕⦖⦗⦘⦙⦚
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< 1442810167 624471 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What other programming languages does OASYS Assembler resemble? I invented a program "OASYS Assembler" for an existing VM but I do not know what other program language it can be said to resemble? It is stack-based but does not have such stack operations as DUP and DROP and SWAP and so on, and unlike Forth the variable address must be pushed first before the value is pushed
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< 1442811479 475627 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What would be a good way to implement a non-stateless lexer-building library/API?
< 1442811485 44165 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it even possible?
< 1442811501 556491 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how you meant exactly
< 1442811606 1155 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Well, to make a lexer is simple
< 1442811648 874616 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You just go through the source, matching regexes at the beginning until you run out of code (and moving the "beginning" so it starts after the last token ends)
< 1442811654 622065 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But then you encounter an issue:
< 1442811663 40066 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :x+(-y)
< 1442811689 166505 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you're lexing an arithmetical expression, you hit the issue where - can mean subtraction OR a negative number
< 1442811706 641883 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I manage a small library that handles lexing for users in a simple way
< 1442811718 207686 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I don't know how to implement stated lexing
< 1442811720 718996 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any ideas?
< 1442811745 624822 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could do that after lexing I think?
< 1442811765 901805 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or else you must tell what it is based on the previous token
< 1442811832 865320 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah
< 1442811834 629781 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That might work
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< 1442815171 613713 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugh
< 1442815187 363404 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Python isn't recognizing the λ character in my regexes OR as a print function
< 1442815212 124767 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I've tried the obvious workarounds (making python unicode, using chr(0x03BB), etc)
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< 1442818938 41268 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would like to see the concept of "even" and "odd" expanded to the Complex Numbers
< 1442818963 635214 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or at least the ones where a and b are integers (I forgot their name)
< 1442819092 502291 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so tl;dr of the whole font fiasco: it is apparently very hard to turn a bitmap into a bunch of straight lines forming a square around each pixel. And, once you've done that, Microsoft Cleartype can't handle turning a square one pixel on a side into one pixel, so you have to include a bitmap showing it how to do it.
< 1442819167 459856 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Am I like, the only person on earth who wants to have a method to do raster -> vector -> raster losslessly?
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< 1442819593 660087 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the bright side, I now have Hiragana: むめもゃやゅゆょよらりるれろゎわゐゑをんゔ
< 1442819673 310699 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, OCR is still considered hard
< 1442819682 220447 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially with low resolution or high noise
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< 1442820108 408246 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfBBVIoW-68&feature=youtu.be
< 1442820376 108117 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would rather you just used bitmap fonts directly though
< 1442820399 124548 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Therefore you don't need to do raster->vector->raster
< 1442820426 866919 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be nice if windows supported that but it doesn't
< 1442820501 242261 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Windows does support bitmap fonts, last time I checked it can but it uses its own format that is not compatible with UNIX
< 1442820577 581525 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In particular, I can't seem to create a .fon file with unicode in it
< 1442820611 675826 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe that format doesn't support Unicode; you need to use your own encodings
< 1442820620 730626 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another thing to try is turn off Cleartype
< 1442820878 908079 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I've actually figured out mostly a solution for this problem.
< 1442820893 336388 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the fact that it is necessary at all is stupid
< 1442821005 187122 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: oh! so will you add four thousand kanji too?
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< 1442821037 30314 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: or ten thousand korean syllables. that's probably easier to generate.
< 1442821101 262798 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.orenwatson.be/bdf2otf.htm
< 1442821129 344261 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the convoluted process. I've put it online so I can remember it after I finish drawing katakana
< 1442821259 91645 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I plan on doing at least the 2000 Joyo kanji eventually
< 1442821399 276950 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I don't plan on doing korean unless I can figure out ow to automate it
< 1442821870 379878 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: um, why couldn't you automate it? they're made of letters you just have to paste together.
< 1442821895 27208 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, 2000 kanji plus extras? wow, great
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< 1442821977 809906 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't forget the common punctuation for Japanese too, like the full stop, comma, quotation marks, etc
< 1442822101 681916 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :good point
< 1442822177 835980 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :luckily there's not many of them, and they're relatively easy to draw
< 1442822182 314663 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so essentially I'll be working up to it being a viable alternative to GNU unifont that isn't fuck-ugly
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< 1442822221 822929 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hij_arcane!
< 1442822400 302288 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh, I can't see the font because of some caching stuff
< 1442822450 809362 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :try refreshing a bunch oif times
< 1442822457 367706 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying, yes
< 1442822472 517474 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could be a client-side problem
< 1442822590 792810 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, glagolitic? seriously? what next, will you be adding old phoenician?
< 1442822607 525769 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still don't see the font though
< 1442822656 605352 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I think the problem may be that only new versions of firefox have support for the css I'm using
< 1442822699 522964 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll make a second one with different css
< 1442822701 35936 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: yes, maybe the problem is that the browser won't show this type of font from the web
< 1442822707 69847 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? why a second one?
< 1442822710 913598 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :put both of them into the same css
< 1442822715 222262 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they fall back
< 1442822721 875829 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously, web development best practice
< 1442822727 605387 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't make different versions for different browsers
< 1442822799 696651 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can put multiple fallback font names to the font-face property
< 1442822805 914632 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How is this?
< 1442822810 528442 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just changed it
< 1442822861 948523 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't see it yet, but I suspect a client-side problem
< 1442822868 253938 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think newer versions of firefox require url("blah") format(opentype)
< 1442822894 608252 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would they do that?
< 1442822947 437984 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno but it wasn;'t working on my win7 firefox withou ti
< 1442822948 760676 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me try with Chrome
< 1442823003 846533 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't get it to work, argh
< 1442823009 110816 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll try at home
< 1442823018 847079 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaaah I think I've found an error in a maths book
< 1442823024 33909 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks anyway
< 1442823025 640381 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do I do now
< 1442823045 145786 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: check existing errata, if it's not there, file bug report
< 1442823071 715700 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: sadly, lots of publishers don't care an ounce about supporting their already sold books with errata,
< 1442823074 813595 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but a few are better.
< 1442823075 143852 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I cannot find any errata
< 1442823104 612514 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The Foundation of Mathematics by Ian Stewart and David Tall, Second Edition, Oxford University Press)
< 1442823165 201094 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: look at the beginning and end of the book for possible instructions on where to report bugs, failing that, just write to the publisher. you may want to buffer bug reports and send all ones for the same book together though.
< 1442823219 194952 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: cannot find anywhere to report bugs
< 1442823224 758149 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The publisher over the authors?
< 1442823234 10193 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I'm a slow and easily distracted reader
< 1442823481 433526 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I'm not sure. If you know the authors in person, it's better to send to them. Otherwise, I'm not sure.
< 1442823495 218468 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not
< 1442823500 341750 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover might
< 1442823511 163452 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(he goes to the university where at least one of them teaches, I believe)
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< 1442823650 36828 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does anyone else have a copy of this book to see if it is in fact an error?
< 1442823681 903216 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, there are two errors I have seen on page 96
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< 1442823718 696065 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have that book.
< 1442823739 604606 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have read on a few pages, in case there's an explanation later, right?
< 1442823793 758074 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It gives an example of a function "A = all subsets of {0,2,4}, B = N, f(x) = the smallest element of x"
< 1442823802 615536 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is not defined for x = {}
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< 1442823860 11773 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It defines a function as "A function f from A to B is a rule that assigns to each a in A a unique element f(a) in B."
< 1442824049 621934 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe they just forgot to include the word 'non-empty' :P
< 1442824070 167386 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ashl: which is still an error!
< 1442824229 318176 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The other error on the page is it defines the domain of the factorial function as the positive reals
< 1442824252 47474 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was the question? how to report an erratum?
< 1442824260 172380 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes
< 1442824275 689608 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, whether these are errors first
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< 1442824746 192392 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the first one, yes; for the factorial one, depends how they define it
< 1442824857 578739 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :They don't define factorial, anywhere
< 1442825149 644322 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you can define factorial on the positive real numbers
< 1442825175 732481 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i expect they probably meant positive integers
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< 1442826226 376813 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I think I'll start putting up image-based previews as well from now on
< 1442826454 356799 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.orenwatson.be/fontdemo.png
< 1442827442 797977 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you know your representations are faithful
< 1442827506 734905 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what representations?
< 1442827685 711938 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, this image is basically a screenshot of the page as it appears on my system
< 1442827741 105612 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a sign on a fence I see on my commute that says "Danger" and "Deep excavations". I'm worried about a possible balrog threat.
< 1442827889 880720 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you for example grow up reading/writing the glagolitic writing system? if not, how do you know it is legible
< 1442827912 705364 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The dark fire shall not avail you, Flame of Udûn!
< 1442828004 788545 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ashl: Oh, for that one none still live who grew up writing it. Anyway most of the non-latin, non-Japanese letterforms are based on PDF's from the Unicode foundation
< 1442828068 534163 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only added glagolitic so that I would have the one tht looks like a dick. Ⰴ
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< 1442828417 993561 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: image! great, thanks
< 1442828632 448977 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: for the C64, do you have the left and right diagonally shaded blocks?
< 1442828644 435376 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the hiragana look nice, meanwhile
< 1442828647 738312 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yah
< 1442828715 394437 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh, are they not there right above the hiragana?
< 1442828758 500441 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: no, those are diagonal half blocks
< 1442828794 955518 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh I see. I'll add them
< 1442828802 520630 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: I wonder what that third character in your C64 list is though
< 1442828855 617710 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is a character that looks like that in the c64 charset, not sure what it is supposed to be
< 1442828861 89304 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: I think it's club suit
< 1442828865 840037 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the C64 set
< 1442828877 92765 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PART #esoteric :"WeeChat 0.3.8"
< 1442828878 87631 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's also heart suit, diamond suit, and spade suit characters
< 1442828885 751400 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you already have those in the font
< 1442828974 211594 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I presume you'll add fullwith katakana later
< 1442828995 16691 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yah thats the very next thing
< 1442829174 730167 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :your script letters beyond t are interesting
< 1442829192 645055 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :rip the slant?
< 1442829306 233028 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice, the c64 font has the ugliest pi i've ever seen
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< 1442829998 979012 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mauris: give it a break, they have just an 8x8 cell
< 1442830014 203364 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that on bad quality CRTs where pixels are bleeding into one anothers
< 1442830141 312173 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :with an analog signal and all that
< 1442830280 296258 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that explains the thick vertical strokes and thin hrizontal
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< 1442830585 910770 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: At least it's not doing the NTSC composite-signal artifact color thing.
< 1442830627 891835 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Composite_artifact_colors that thing
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< 1442831102 241999 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: what? the C64 is a color monitor, it does behave bad for some color combinations
< 1442831144 669181 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, if you have a color monitor that is
< 1442831151 549254 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :we've run it with black and green monitors
< 1442831238 165022 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :god did these people in the 80's even think about what an ASS this would be to write an emulator for?
< 1442831253 366446 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: hehe... probably no
< 1442831279 385745 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: are you trying to emulate the sprite collision detection in the video hardware? the C64 has it too, just like the Atari
< 1442831353 765195 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't wirtten a C64 emulator myself but thisngs like this are scaring me even further from it
< 1442831399 386118 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :really 80's programmers scare me in general
< 1442831428 754884 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :using these hardware-software hack tricks to create effects
< 1442831512 199577 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess cleartype is similar but noone to my knowledge makes color fonts by using 1/3 pixel lines and shit
< 1442831625 325464 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are C64 emulators ready to use, I wouldn't attempt to write a new one.
< 1442831660 522421 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hardware-software hack tricks? Like the unreliable casette drive, which actually works better when emulated, because it reads back the signals it wrote perfectly?
< 1442831730 224427 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Using the casette drive involves the cpu too much for our 2000s tastes. It's like "winmodems".
< 1442831739 172206 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only it's much more well-documented.
< 1442831759 558136 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :People have analyzed and debugged the rom listings a lot, and reproduced everything..
< 1442831806 948155 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do they use an error correcting code on the casette drive then?
< 1442831921 232571 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know the details, luckily.
< 1442831945 146014 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm too young for this.
< 1442832852 717307 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I just mean, the C64 colors are "real", it doesn't do the "let's have a monochrome signal and then turn on the NTSC colorburst so that some bit patterns get interpreted as color" thing, Apple II style. Sure, it's still all smeared up, but anyway.
< 1442832934 573989 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07ReThue14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44318&oldid=42287 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (+53) 10
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< 1442834770 479658 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ah
< 1442834804 125934 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but isn't a monochrome signal with tricks how analog color TV is always supposed to work in first place?
< 1442834896 674289 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, okay, if you like to see it that way. But on the C64 the video hardware is at least thinking about color separately, you've got palettes and all that.
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< 1442835544 300055 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :man no matter what settings I use for Cleartype (other than "off") it always looks blurry. cleartype can go suck a Ⰴ
< 1442835642 461007 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to have a 90-degree pivoted monitor, and even after telling the system about it, any sort of subpixel-based antialiasing just looked sucky on that thing.
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< 1442835845 487704 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :should really be called foggytype
< 1442835985 341527 :fowl!fowl@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-hfvwzvgasvkdabgn PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cataractishtype
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< 1442846588 894056 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only one more day until NEET
< 1442846717 500288 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(strictly speaking it's two more weeks but I have to use up the rest of my vacation)
< 1442846834 645170 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :hkgit03: where do you live?
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< 1442847049 409995 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: south west Germany
< 1442847073 194429 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know any jobs there seeing as I live in north England
< 1442847077 875924 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And am a student
< 1442847087 967633 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am a student for two more weeks :D
< 1442847101 563440 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then my contract is over
< 1442847161 946706 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's what is called a "dual study". One studies and works alternately)
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< 1442848650 123767 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heading home. See ya o7
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< 1442848766 134179 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Today's abbreviated git commit hash: a1aeaea.
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< 1442848873 983398 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1442848912 799082 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"What are the chances of that!"
< 1442848914 348201 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(1 over 2^28.)
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< 1442849000 284289 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: compare that to how many git commits there are a day
< 1442849516 809641 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell hppavilion[1] I would like to see the concept of "even" and "odd" expanded to the Complex Numbers <-- it turns out that "divisible by 1+i" is the same as "a+b even" while "divisible by 2" is the same as "a _and_ b even" choose wisely hth
< 1442849516 987559 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1442849608 601482 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm wait is the first right
< 1442849636 969430 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell hppavilion[1] hm wait, not sure about the first two
< 1442849637 147485 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1442849674 528823 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell hppavilion[1] now sure again hth
< 1442849674 706968 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1442851163 256295 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you limit the speed when you're copying a file?
< 1442851171 451026 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean like in c
< 1442851181 391469 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you sleep for a while after each read and write?
< 1442851195 808223 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :c: always the speed limit
< 1442851283 124080 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I don't think that izabera meant c as in the speed of light
< 1442851329 916074 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :c the programming language <.<
< 1442851362 652751 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course it doesn't have to be c, i'm just asking for the technique
< 1442851459 304724 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: you're supposed to groan not explain hth
< 1442851478 374519 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: why do you need to
< 1442851485 751788 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: my apologies
< 1442851501 577730 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't, i'm just interested in learning how to do it
< 1442851559 814562 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean sleeping between after writing the data can work i think, not sure if it's the standard way or if there's a better way
< 1442851775 493873 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`olist 1006
< 1442851776 316333 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olist 1006: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly boily nortti
< 1442851818 287581 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: I think I've read the source for either wget's or curl's rate limiting (for sockets, not files, but it's pretty much the same), and IIRC it was pretty much just about sleeping.
< 1442851839 384044 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh ok
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< 1442860387 882950 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's see, can't the concept of even and odd be extended to most algebraic numbers?
< 1442860511 884685 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I think here's how you do it.
< 1442860548 422016 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, wait.
< 1442860744 660827 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, here's part of it.
< 1442860801 304087 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :If a polynomial's leading coefficient is odd, and the sum of its non-constant coefficients is odd, then its roots have the same parity as its constant coefficient.
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< 1442860968 324598 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :That doesn't quite sound right. A polynomial can have roots that aren't all the same parity.
< 1442860978 891817 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like x^2 - 5x + 6.
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< 1442862276 410596 :Bjarne_!cca9512f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.204.169.81.47 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoosh Hello
< 1442862381 163672 :Bjarne_!cca9512f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.204.169.81.47 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why the heck are all the IRC channels I join so quiet?
< 1442862389 971675 :Bjarne_!cca9512f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.204.169.81.47 PRIVMSG #esoteric :#fsharp is quiet
< 1442862408 911328 :Bjarne_!cca9512f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.204.169.81.47 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and others too
< 1442862546 287378 :Bjarne_!cca9512f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.204.169.81.47 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sigh*
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< 1442864688 992756 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a -> b) -> (c -> d)
< 1442864700 81402 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love that about first-class citizens
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< 1442864971 255088 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Wasn't the first time they complained about the lack of talking.
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< 1442865540 657520 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I would like to see is open-source game engine of the style like Apogee's "Pharaoh's Tomb" and "Arctic Adventure", with four-colour graphics, the unusual (but good) control scheme it uses, similar kind of sound effect, etc but some improvements could also be made such as a level editor, more difficult levels, time limits, and more kind of pieces
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< 1442865826 382492 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :They did even mention a sequel which they never made as far as I can tell. (One about a journey to the center of the Earth)
< 1442866225 122690 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Rs14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44323&oldid=44322 5* 03Kirbyfan64sos 5* (+77) 10
< 1442866381 779023 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Rs14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44324&oldid=44323 5* 0363.232.95.4 5* (+0) 10
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< 1442871740 999269 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : That doesn't quite sound right. A polynomial can have roots that aren't all the same parity. <-- i think you need the polynomial to be irreducible, i.e. not a product of two others
< 1442871768 120702 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :then maybe it works
< 1442871800 744702 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :note that (x^2 - 5x + 6) = (x - 2)*(x - 3)
< 1442871831 994409 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means you get only the product of parities otherwise
< 1442871893 932553 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, i believe there's a concept of roots of polynomials with 1 as leading coefficient being more "integer-like" (i've forgotten the actual term)
< 1442871903 753578 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm
< 1442871924 186982 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algebraic_integer
< 1442872094 181771 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: try figuring out whether w = e^{i 2pi/3} is odd or even. Note that w^2 + w = -1...
< 1442872135 83633 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well by tswett's definition, that's odd...
< 1442872167 753579 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the parity of the constant coefficient
< 1442872177 184650 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :really ... are you looking at x^3-1 or at x^2+x+1?
< 1442872186 888878 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1442872192 614566 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the latter, although in this case it doesn't matter
< 1442872205 572206 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, so two odd numbers no longer add to an even number
< 1442872217 156603 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh
< 1442872221 443740 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even numbers should definitely be closed under addition.
< 1442872231 43558 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :then there may be a problem :P
< 1442872234 65211 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any definition which doesn't satisfy that criterion is wrong.
< 1442872279 731477 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :er but need odd numbers sum to even ones >:)
< 1442872293 733730 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442872312 267500 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that example is almost designed to break that, no matter what you choose
< 1442872339 575486 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(because w^2 + w + 1 = 0 has w^2 as a solution too)
< 1442872402 616449 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, right, if the leading coefficient is 1, and the constant term is odd, then the roots must all be odd... right?
< 1442872412 279291 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd think
< 1442872425 835766 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :note i haven't seen this concept defined that i can recall
< 1442872426 13783 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@massages-loud
< 1442872426 13853 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't have any messages
< 1442872433 450037 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :except by you
< 1442872562 388055 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :So that would imply that the roots of w^2 + w + 1 are all odd.
< 1442872572 990603 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let w = exp(0 :+ 2*pi/3) in (w^2 + w + 1, w^4 + w^2 + 1) --checking
< 1442872574 635735 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : (0.0 :+ 3.3306690738754696e-16,4.440892098500626e-16 :+ 5.551115123125783e-16)
< 1442872579 629601 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :But by inspection, you can tell that the sum of the roots is -1 (since the w coefficient is 1), and there are two roots.
< 1442872605 481146 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm right that's another way
< 1442872659 329565 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which would seem to imply that the sum of two odd numbers can now be odd.
< 1442872671 703880 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'm not sure I actually want to assign a parity to w at all.
< 1442872682 306476 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tricky
< 1442872688 303831 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :The polynomial w^2 + w + 1 = 0 has no solutions modulo 2.
< 1442872730 217858 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1442872755 210657 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-93.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What extension does Esolangs use for the better editing window?
< 1442872776 95005 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps we should assign parity in exactly those situations where, modulo 2, the polynomial factors as x^a (x - 1)^b.
< 1442872810 554080 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which certainly excludes most polynomials.
< 1442872843 265167 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'd also want the degree to be a + b, to ensure that the leading x term doesn't vanish modulo 2.
< 1442872879 597840 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what to do in the case where a and b are both positive.
< 1442872918 809046 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-93.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: You seem to be qualified to answer these things
< 1442872940 822116 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: i _seem_, but i'm not.
< 1442872953 944439 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ask ais523 or fizzie
< 1442873005 649445 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-93.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Are you on?
< 1442873010 142845 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :This definition of parity may or may not work.
< 1442873146 950620 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, the two roots of x^2 + x + 2 add to -1. (a = 1, b = 1)
< 1442873157 239351 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think this effectively entails that w is half of an odd number, because 2w satisfies the polynomial (2w)^2 + 2(2w) + 4 = 0, which, modulo 2, taking 2w as a primitive variable, is simply (2w)^2.
< 1442873167 135174 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did I say odd?
< 1442873191 746069 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: erm...
< 1442873214 250781 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: a and b are the exponents introduced by tswett above
< 1442873217 170941 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :not the roots
< 1442873238 641998 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's apparently half of an even number, without actually being an odd number.
< 1442873252 517741 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-93.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1442873292 538950 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll hazard a guess twice any number is even hth
< 1442873307 30299 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about twice half an odd number?
< 1442873314 731062 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :like 2 and a half
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< 1442873339 140662 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :by "number" i mean a number given by an integral polynomial with odd leading coefficient
< 1442873342 237360 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :why guess? if p(x) of degree n has root x, then 2^n p(x/2) has root 2x... and many even coefficients
< 1442873344 162 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah.
< 1442873372 864833 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in fact, 2^n p(x/2) = x^n (mod 2))
< 1442873373 267679 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :to double it, you just double the second coefficient, quadruple the third, etc. afaics
< 1442873394 461044 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks like int-e proved it.
< 1442873396 94444 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which leaves x^n = 0 (mod 2)
< 1442873399 157520 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right.
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< 1442873403 549832 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-93.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry
< 1442873405 727715 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-93.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Classes ended
< 1442873405 905662 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Boom. Twice any algebraic integer is even.
< 1442873416 206631 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: YOU WILL BE SORRY
< 1442873443 640070 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, what happens when you substitute (x+1) for x? What happens to the coefficients and whatnot?
< 1442873444 577099 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-93.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: That was like that trope in TV and Movies where they're too lazy to invent a joke so they JUST include the punchine
< 1442873457 814880 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-93.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie?
< 1442873485 71085 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does this always end up flipping the parity?
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< 1442873530 254006 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: was it you i @told about 1 + i as divisor, that's then sort of intermediate for gaussian integers
< 1442873532 454856 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-93.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: fizzie isn't answering. Anyone else I could ask?
< 1442873543 659270 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: wasn't me, I'm pretty sure.
< 1442873547 489724 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-93.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a special page on what extensions the wiki uses or something?
< 1442873556 491102 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-93.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I think that was me
< 1442873558 348479 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: ais523 is the "wikipedia expert" in my mind, although he may be a bit dated
< 1442873568 349192 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], one of these http://esolangs.org/wiki/Special:SpecialPages
< 1442873568 576886 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-93.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah
< 1442873576 164306 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-93.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I tried that
< 1442873581 272072 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-93.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But not very hard
< 1442873595 130324 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Special:Version
< 1442873598 625998 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: well then, note that (1 + i)(1 - i) = 2 so 1 + i divides 2 in the gaussians, so you get at least two possible definitions of "even" there
< 1442873653 118446 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm what's the polynomial for 1 +- i
< 1442873668 144663 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's see. For x^2 + bx + c, if b = 0 and c = 0, the roots are even; if b = 0 and c = 1, the roots are odd; if b = 1 and c = 0, one root is odd and the other is even; if b = 1 and c = 1, no parity is assigned.
< 1442873691 351281 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: x^2 - 2x + 2
< 1442873699 640072 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :x^2 - 2x + 2.
< 1442873704 985311 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I typed it before int-e hit enter; hth.
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< 1442873718 965243 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i _meant_ it as a rhetorical question, but thanks :P
< 1442873721 881637 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :So the roots are even.
< 1442873724 665698 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :os
< 1442873776 462821 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: almost trivially, if p(x) = x^n (mod 2) then p(x+1) = (x+1)^n (mod 2)
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< 1442873787 873232 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-93.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh
< 1442873792 226849 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: doink, you're right.
< 1442873796 781925 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-93.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks like it doesn't use an extension
< 1442873799 862010 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-93.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it's CSS?
< 1442873804 166758 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm liking this definition I came up with.
< 1442873813 285038 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], what are you trying to unravel
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< 1442873839 354481 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: i think substituting x+1 for x will not change the leading coefficient and will flip the parity of the constant one, but the rest might depend.
< 1442873841 256668 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-93.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I just set up a (second) wiki locally, and when I created the main page, the editor was different. And the differntness was ugly
< 1442873852 623404 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-93.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*differentness
< 1442873950 265611 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, do we need to limit this definition to algebraic integers?
< 1442874057 282271 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm thinking we can't apply it to all algebraic numbers.
< 1442874069 220020 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm wait not sure of my last statement
< 1442874076 564611 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, maybe we can.
< 1442874092 487466 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have already restricted it to those whose minimal polynomials factor nicely modulo 2... haven't you
< 1442874104 130108 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1442874121 310821 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :So the definition doesn't apply to 2x - 1 = 0 by virtue of the fact that the polynomial modulo 2, which is 1, doesn't have enough factors.
< 1442874134 57551 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :The definition automatically fails for all even leading coefficients.
< 1442874144 653761 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: i think it's somewhat analogous to in the rational numbers, where you cannot sensibly assign evenness to p/q if q is even
< 1442874153 429957 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but might if q is odd
< 1442874171 839233 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :But for all rational numbers irreducibly written as p/q, if q is odd, then it gets the parity of p.
< 1442874177 640940 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :If q is even, it gets no parity.
< 1442874178 749862 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1442874237 609428 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: obviously the person i _really_ would ask is elliott, but he hasn't been in the channel since May.
< 1442874245 813289 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-93.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh :/
< 1442874256 853973 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-93.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm making yet another "ALL THE MATHS" website
< 1442874259 987781 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :He hasn't? Tdnh.
< 1442874276 156603 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-93.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am, at least for now or in part, using a MediaWiki for it
< 1442874293 384338 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :he did sort of imply to me that he might stop visiting before that, though.
< 1442874385 623922 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :תדנה
< 1442874391 793360 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and accidentally showed up on the wiki in july or so
< 1442874452 252328 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: ok how does google translate know that means tdnh
< 1442874479 860752 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode תדנה
< 1442874480 754472 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[U+05EA HEBREW LETTER TAV] [U+05D3 HEBREW LETTER DALET] [U+05E0 HEBREW LETTER NUN] [U+05D4 HEBREW LETTER HE]
< 1442874490 5880 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: by the fact that those are Hebrew letters which have Latin equivalents?
< 1442874529 427070 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-93.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Quit: WALRUS MAAAAAAAAAAAAN
< 1442874551 169635 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: but hebrew is the _one_ language where i wouldn't expect interpretation as acronym...
< 1442874580 496164 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it doesn't include the vowels
< 1442874639 612939 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well, what did you expect GT to produce?
< 1442874679 619022 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :some actual word
< 1442874691 544465 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :as you get if you remove any single of those letters
< 1442874699 739751 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: ok, I believe your notion of even and odd numbers works out (i.e. addition and multiplication work out as expected) ... following along the lines of proving that the algebraic numbers are closed under addition and multiplication.
< 1442874766 367272 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell hppavilion[1] wiki css is in one of the pages listed here if you want to copy it http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AAllPages&from=&to=&namespace=8
< 1442874766 545452 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1442874794 298378 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so we get a funny subring of the algebraic numbers that enjoy parity.
< 1442874806 928798 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : The definition automatically fails for all even leading coefficients. <-- hm are you sure? you could say the _first_ even coefficient counts as leading after (mod 2)...
< 1442874832 32582 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: but the definition explicitely forbade that
< 1442874859 777694 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :er *odd
< 1442874882 997567 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well, as an afterthought at least)
< 1442874946 764415 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ftr, I'm using: "z is even if it is the root of a polynomial p in Z[x] of degree n with p(x) = x^n (mod 2); z is odd if z+1 is even"
< 1442874985 625204 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you can restrict the first part to minimal polynomials; it makes no difference)
< 1442875059 275862 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: oh you're saying that these form a subring?
< 1442875069 978746 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :of both odds and evens
< 1442875129 371617 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose it's just the evens + integers
< 1442875136 822853 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the evens are themselves a ring
< 1442875144 895194 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(without unity)
< 1442875184 36675 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes, I'm saying that.
< 1442875283 102697 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and 1 +- i are a examples of even numbers that are _not_ twice an algebraic integer.
< 1442875286 795541 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*-a
< 1442875329 188621 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suspect with higher degree you can get things that aren't 1+i times one, either
< 1442875351 744897 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :x^n + 2(x^(n-1) + ... + 1) = 0, perhaps
< 1442875383 28195 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm
< 1442875390 747329 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :x^2 - 2 = 0
< 1442875420 434646 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so sqrt(2) is in there
< 1442875435 645361 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: the definition says a + b has to equal the degree.
< 1442875451 227705 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which I guess is effectively the same as saying the leading coefficient has to be odd.
< 1442875526 679040 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :sqrt(2) is even? I was expecting it to have no parity.
< 1442875564 32625 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: um i think int-e assumed either a or b is 0, for what he said
< 1442875573 8685 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the parity if neither is 0
< 1442875660 558136 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, that's why I mentioned x^2 + x + 2 earlier; the two roots add to an odd number...
< 1442875681 870536 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they shouldn't be assigned a parity
< 1442875705 128833 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm
< 1442875846 57653 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :My definition claimed that for x^2 + x + 2, one root is even and the other is odd.
< 1442875851 402818 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell hppavilion[1] i suspect it might be this extension which was listed on our version page https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:WikiEditor
< 1442875851 580731 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1442875873 885635 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that doesn't make much sense, since the roots are complex conjugates.
< 1442875896 201172 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :unsensible
< 1442875898 227343 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe they're in a quantum superposition of even and odd, the two of them being entangled at opposite parities hth?
< 1442875928 265315 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :very good. now you're thinking with quantum.
< 1442876016 357228 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom
< 1442876017 447528 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :burma/ask Bike
< 1442876025 183808 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask Bike burma?
< 1442876025 361760 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1442876073 958398 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ask for four more pieces of wisdom and then delete one.
< 1442876088 209926 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom
< 1442876089 544423 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :$1?/$1? ��\(��_o)/��
< 1442876103 570707 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike's away message is disturbing tdnh
< 1442876141 939377 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo: what encoding is that?
< 1442876163 870965 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what happened there...
< 1442876177 469339 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/wisdom
< 1442876178 146365 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :F="$(find wisdom/*"$1"* -type f | shuf -n1)"; echo -n "${F#wisdom/}/" | rnooodl; cat "$F" | rnooodl
< 1442876186 107539 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo wisdom/\$*
< 1442876187 10532 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom/$1?
< 1442876191 3803 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? fnørd
< 1442876191 826714 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fnørd? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1442876200 91502 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` cat wisdom/\$*
< 1442876200 881445 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :$1? ��\(��_o)/��
< 1442876207 584343 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` rm wisdom/\$*
< 1442876209 563718 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1442876241 421992 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`culprits wisdom/\$*
< 1442876243 732068 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1442876252 648991 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` hg log --removed wisdom/'$1?' | grep summary:
< 1442876254 98559 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :summary: ` rm wisdom/\\$* \ summary: revert accbc9c5c7ec \ summary: echo wisdom/* | shuf | head -n 10 | xargs rm \ summary: revert \ summary: revert 1 \ summary: revert \ summary: for x in wisdom/*; do rev "$x" > "$x"a; mv "$x"a "$x"; done \ summary: revert \ summary: revert 1 \ summary: revert \ summary: for x in wisdom/*; do rev "$x" > "$x"a; mv "$x"a "$x"; done \ summary: revert 87c64ef250a0 \ summary: revert 3 \ summary: learn $1? \xef\xbf\xbd\xef\xbf\xbd\\(\xef\xbf\xbd\xef\xbf\xbd_o)/\xef\xbf
< 1442876282 577524 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike!
< 1442876294 77100 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: of course that leaves the question whether the subring is the largest possible one...
< 1442876300 807358 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: go on, @ask about it ;-)
< 1442876306 76033 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aleph null hth.
< 1442876340 809604 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: w.r.t. the subset relation, not cardinality
< 1442876359 102183 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not a total order hth.
< 1442876376 37164 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except I guess "largest" makes perfect sense for a partial order.
< 1442876416 385239 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i was young i used to confuse "burma" and "bursa" tdnh
< 1442876434 713660 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :myansar
< 1442876498 988043 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, sleep
< 1442876622 802880 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: BACKTRACK CHICKEN
< 1442876656 541281 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442876694 150054 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm-a-back!
< 1442876788 611002 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not answering what?
< 1442876950 296333 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], wiki css is in one of the pages listed here if you want to copy it http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AAllPages&from=&to=&namespace=8
< 1442876958 631663 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I heard
< 1442877076 60000 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was actually thinking of bumping the version from 1.22 to 1.25 real soon now; but today was unexpectedly busy.
< 1442877143 341306 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: i suspect it was that extension i saw in your linked Version page
< 1442877186 315816 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sounded like hppavilion[1] installed it but it looked like shit so he was trying to get our formatting as well
< 1442877206 263455 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just in the edit window
< 1442877222 373749 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's currently kind of ugly. Squares buttons. Bleck.
< 1442877236 527079 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1442877278 381743 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: do you have the same skin (vector iirc)?
< 1442877321 861221 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I believe so. fizzie: Do you know if the "vector" skin has been modified from its default version?
< 1442877478 401533 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Phantom_Hoover: Looks like the page where Vector.css is stored doesn't contain the whole thing
< 1442877500 155665 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :you tried common.css?
< 1442877543 310438 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe so
< 1442877552 764822 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vector.css is a BIG(-ish) folder
< 1442877557 743439 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/.css//
< 1442877572 837581 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: do you have the same preferences settings on both wikis?
< 1442877605 915203 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I'm not sure. I don't think I ever changed preferences on either one, but there might be irregular default preferences on esolangs
< 1442877625 354077 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :check the editing preferences tab, i guess
< 1442877679 702114 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh
< 1442877695 282359 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks like there's some weird stuff going on with the way the main page looks
< 1442877825 396239 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meh
< 1442877831 935521 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Esolangs is Public Domain
< 1442877898 903342 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm considering using some of the site's content (e.g. the main page's layout and formatting) on my own (CC-BY-SA) wiki
< 1442877931 627886 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I will
< 1442878015 5972 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: As far as I know, LocalSettings.php is the only modified file we have.
< 1442878020 73049 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The rest is all in the database.
< 1442878022 401280 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh
< 1442878036 486940 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But there's some CSS tweakery that has been done.
< 1442878114 919943 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :As for the skin, LocalSettings.php seems to have $wgVectorUseSimpleSearch = true; set.
< 1442878127 177912 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's about it.
< 1442878355 527816 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps it's just a result of gradual upgrade since 2005 or thereabouts
< 1442878415 474344 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so now we have a nice upgraded style, while all the new design are crap, pretty much like the web in general hth
< 1442878430 190565 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*is
< 1442878456 264437 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll probably break it by updating to 1.25.
< 1442878462 74469 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn.
< 1442878496 12450 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's too plausible given everything else that's been broken^Wredesigned this year
< 1442879345 823376 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sigh* what happened to microsoft's monthly updates
< 1442879373 517162 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially the part where they only happened once a month.
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< 1442879601 32124 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
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< 1442881307 535733 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello
< 1442881538 788387 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :helo
< 1442882031 844029 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PART #esoteric :"WeeChat 1.3"
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< 1442882161 827041 :mihow!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Quit: mihow
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< 1442883343 699023 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode β
< 1442883344 530921 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[U+03B2 GREEK SMALL LETTER BETA]
< 1442883348 657437 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION gasps.
< 1442883396 520020 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@172.56.17.15 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442883469 902970 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there many esoteric languages that use biological metaphors like p-systems and membrane computing? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P_system
< 1442883736 818967 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There may be a few biologicals ones
< 1442883808 925819 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: You can change the CSS for your account on MediaWiki-based sites, it tell you how on the preferences menu
< 1442883822 278533 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you can do that to change that if you do not like the style
< 1442883995 207570 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use Cologne Blue with additional CSS rules to remove the sidebar and several other things, and making section numbers green
< 1442884386 850182 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu
< 1442884562 993591 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Math++14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44325&oldid=44317 5* 03DinoD123 5* (+8) 10/* Pseudorandom Values */ Made less ambiguous and ugly
< 1442885000 495168 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Math++14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44326&oldid=44325 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (+52) 10/* Pseudorandom Values */
< 1442885716 551308 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :should I add Bopomofo?
< 1442885751 27899 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you are going to add other Chinese stuff, then yes you should unless you have something else to add first
< 1442885875 76166 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's mostly used in Taiwan, but it is certainly in use.
< 1442886180 590188 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok I just finished katakana and I'm adding bopomofo. When I finish bopomofo I'll upload a new font file and demo
< 1442886209 320073 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you add hiragana yet?
< 1442886245 336716 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, yesterday. http://www.orenwatson.be/fontdemo.png
< 1442886262 198796 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know if the use of delve ability in Magic: the Gathering permits the use of mana abilities even if you pay entirely by delve?
< 1442886269 840130 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: Ah, OK
< 1442886277 701537 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also do you know if any cards have both delve and split-second?
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< 1442887376 899128 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Y'know, I thought costs were paid *before* spells went on the stack.
< 1442887402 287169 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they arent???
< 1442887485 668677 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, nope. Putting a spell on the stack is the *first* step in casting it.
< 1442887555 276705 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you specify various things, including the spell's total cost and how you intend to pay it—but Delve isn't taken into account in this part.
< 1442887608 160432 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you specify specify targets.
< 1442887623 634878 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phyrexian mana is taken into account before you figure out total cost, so I would think that if you pay entirely by life then you cannot use mana abilities at this time but delve is different than that.
< 1442887629 289697 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then... you determine the total cost again? That doesn't make sense.
< 1442887711 911249 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :In any case, it goes on the stack in step 601.2a, then you calculate cost stuff in step 601.2b, then you determine the total cost in step 601.2f, then you may or may not be able to activate mana abilities in 601.2g, then you pay the cost in 601.2h.
< 1442887712 127099 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1442887728 888317 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :The wording of Delve is: "For each generic mana in this spell’s total cost, you may exile a card from your graveyard rather than pay that mana."
< 1442887772 573657 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :The same clause also states: "The delve ability isn’t an additional or alternative cost and applies only after the total cost of the spell with delve is determined. "
< 1442887817 580864 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :All of this implies that Delve does *not* alter the "total cost"; the "total cost" is just mana, even if you intend to pay it by exiling.
< 1442887846 481683 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :601.2g says that you can activate mana abilities "if the total cost includes a mana payment".
< 1442887862 292558 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, to actually answer zzo38's question...
< 1442887927 74377 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: when you use Delve, you can always activate mana abilities as if you weren't using Delve, because Delve has no effect until after you've had the opportunity to activate mana abilities.
< 1442887955 301815 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, OK, I thought it might
< 1442888029 224788 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, does that mean I can cast an instant between a spell going on the stack and its cost being determined?
< 1442888044 171047 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No
< 1442888055 531896 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't get priority during that time
< 1442888096 13737 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Delve is a static ability that functions while the spell with delve is on the stack. “Delve” means “For each generic mana in this spell’s total cost, you may exile a card from your graveyard rather than pay that mana.” The delve ability isn’t an additional or alternative cost and applies only after the total cost of the spell with delve is determined.
< 1442888098 244372 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'delve': Delve is a static ability that functions while the spell with delve is on the stack. “Delve” means “For each generic mana in this spell’s total cost, you may exile a card from your graveyard rather than pay that mana.” The delve ability isn’t an additional or alternative cost and applies only after the total cost of the
< 1442888107 105694 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good enough.
< 1442888171 436769 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh by the way.
< 1442888178 735103 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :`loudly Hi djanatyn.
< 1442888179 742798 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :04,09H09,04i04,09 09,04d04,09j09,04a04,09n09,04a04,09t09,04y04,09n09,04.
< 1442888677 933859 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442888787 851363 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :who's swedish here?
< 1442888926 303423 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Funciton14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44327&oldid=42464 5* 03Timwi 5* (+66) 10/* Features */
< 1442888929 958460 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1442889101 214748 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if someone is
< 1442889266 477520 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need someone to teach me swedish
< 1442889269 683414 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :fast
< 1442889286 728976 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, Vorpal, FireFly, maybe i've forgot some
< 1442889296 559623 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can also do a little swedish in a pinch
< 1442889352 354758 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Funciton14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44328&oldid=44327 5* 03Timwi 5* (+5) 10/* Less-than and shift-left */
< 1442889367 615495 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's rather similar to norwegian)
< 1442889432 211123 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: 99% of swedes know english, i'm sure
< 1442889450 423210 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in case it's for meeting or visiting
< 1442889505 17578 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need to learn swedish for secret reasons
< 1442889525 990091 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :it must be a fully fledged course, not just something that teaches me how to sing the caramelldansen
< 1442889542 771040 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok well i only want to sing the caramelldansen
< 1442889555 164688 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD
< 1442889559 191204 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :it wasn't that big of a secret after all
< 1442889565 171343 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah, you don't need to learn swedish for that, just do it phonetically
< 1442889580 218888 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://translate.google.com/?client=tw-ob#sv/en/caramelldansen
< 1442889599 459573 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :getting the pronunciation right might require some training
< 1442889698 47798 :MoALTz_!~no@78.11.179.104 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442889708 8425 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it means "the caramel dance" hth
< 1442889712 376674 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1442889724 1395 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes sense...
< 1442889773 214145 :MoALTz!~no@78.11.179.104 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1442889778 532301 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc, caramell is the name of the band/artist/etc
< 1442889801 426974 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: http://lyricstranslate.com/en/caramelldansen-caramel-dance.html
< 1442889806 112822 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if they've produced anything else
< 1442889882 396509 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you think about it, learning swedish would simplify so many things
< 1442889885 314691 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :like ikea
< 1442889888 703258 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1442889903 914651 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would be able to go to ikea and know wtf is a poang chair
< 1442889913 112841 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442889927 256598 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's pretty much it
< 1442889930 635075 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1442889931 850432 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: the names are pretty idiosyncratic even in swedish
< 1442889932 737636 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :no other reasons to learn swedish
< 1442889937 300200 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442889938 671068 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd mostly learn that the names have nothing to do with the thing
< 1442889947 591281 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: the most useful languages on the internet are japanese, chinese, swedish, and russian
< 1442889949 322293 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :some of them are actually norwegian placenames
< 1442889957 870337 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also korean
< 1442889967 378429 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm learning something
< 1442889972 116593 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: pong means point
< 1442889975 700721 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1442890005 352031 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would you name a chair like that
< 1442890028 646259 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : I wonder if they've produced anything else <-- wikipedia has a discography hth
< 1442890042 734911 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://translate.google.com/?client=tw-ob#sv/en/caramelldansen
< 1442890045 345390 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1442890047 352505 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrong link
< 1442890049 345903 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.ikea.com/us/en/catalog/products/S79825193/
< 1442890051 352730 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ this
< 1442890072 522334 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sweden appears to produce a lot of pop culture
< 1442890102 276260 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: what i've heard is that it's because the founder of ikea was dyslectic or something so hated serial numbers, so he choose random memorable words instead
< 1442890112 560828 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh
< 1442890120 600993 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*chose
< 1442890130 329851 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also the Swedish House Mafia
< 1442890155 816647 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess they used up all the meaningful names
< 1442890168 911855 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1442890187 115874 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :the color names look like place names
< 1442890239 517183 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i recall previously mentioned there was an ikea shark plush toy named BLÅHAJ, that was actually perfectly descriptive
< 1442890270 292198 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they're not _all_ meaningless, but most are
< 1442890297 167376 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there some kind of rule about uppercase in swedish?
< 1442890304 415500 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, just ikea
< 1442890334 497335 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think swedish case is pretty much like norwegian, which is pretty much like english but with very slight tweaks
< 1442890339 713027 :bender|!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442890353 85004 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442890367 961279 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does this sound in norwegian? buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo
< 1442890381 316513 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dansa med os, clappa era hander, yor som vi yor te nagra steg at vanster
< 1442890390 951950 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you'd have to say bøffel instead, naturally.
< 1442890420 153906 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no alternative verb meaning, alas.
< 1442890447 658380 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :swedish has bufflar as both the plural and a verb
< 1442890450 483669 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: i ... think you have some spelling errors, and not just the accents.
< 1442890458 127872 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :buffalobufflar bufflar something something
< 1442890486 839941 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDream
< 1442890546 187114 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok apparently I spelled most of the above wrong. owell
< 1442890568 247501 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1442890589 294704 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey sweden, why is your g pronounced like a y!?!
< 1442890625 905428 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a sound change in front of front vowels.
< 1442890690 912402 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :english has inherited pretty much a similar one with many french words, it just doesn't have the ø
< 1442890732 12877 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :italian also has such a change
< 1442890733 942732 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1442890735 624416 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Funciton14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44329&oldid=44328 5* 03Timwi 5* (-2) 10/* List encoding grammar */
< 1442890744 288124 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :what change?
< 1442890759 575581 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442890766 207597 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :g being something else than a hard g in front of front vowels like i and e
< 1442890781 350000 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yes
< 1442890789 332785 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :but we use ghi and ghe to make it hard
< 1442890808 526947 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1442890810 464142 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :and gia gio giu to make it soft in front of a o u
< 1442890825 115018 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@24.237.158.6 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442890870 591180 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact my own name had such a change at some point in it's path from greek georgios
< 1442890887 23207 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*its
< 1442890910 746223 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :via swedish göran
< 1442890914 576348 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh does oerjan mean george?
< 1442890918 433322 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1442890924 929306 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it doesn't
< 1442890953 920128 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, same name, just different spelling and pronounciation
< 1442890973 238435 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's _descended_ from george. and i know there's at least a swedish tradition of referring to St. George as Göran or Örjan
< 1442891058 10308 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sankt_G%C3%B6ran
< 1442891059 935426 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :St George/Gran is the patron saint of Stockholm or something
< 1442891076 587961 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Sankt Göran (Sankt Georg, Sankt Jörgen, Riddar Örjan, Georg den Helige, lat. Sanctus Georgius), "
< 1442891110 206210 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :plenty of variants
< 1442891117 187101 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oho, Jrgen is also the same name
< 1442891154 460755 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds
< 1442891210 812469 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Funciton/Fundamentals14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44330&oldid=34819 5* 03Timwi 5* (+450) 10/* XOR and Shift-left */
< 1442891251 701165 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, time to sleep a bit, it's almost morning
< 1442891255 459353 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442891261 847199 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Funciton/Functions14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44331&oldid=34821 5* 03Timwi 5* (+13) 10
< 1442891281 780927 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :why sleep now, you can sleep tomorrow
< 1442891288 813994 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Funciton/Basic arithmetic14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44332&oldid=24766 5* 03Timwi 5* (+573) 10/* Successor function */ Predecessor function
< 1442891312 531097 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@172.56.17.15 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1442891324 770530 :Froox!~Frooxius@172.56.31.186 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442891343 667418 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Sankt Göran är flitigt använd som symbol i Ryssland, egentligen Moskvas skyddshelgon, och återfinns bland annat i det ryska riksvapnet. Han är även skyddshelgon för England, Portugal, Katalonien, Litauen, Serbien, Montenegro, Georgien, Etiopien, London, Freiburg im Breisgau, Genua, Lod, Barcelona (Sant Jordi), Strumpebandsorden och scoutrörelsen."
< 1442891344 493883 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Funciton/Basic arithmetic14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44333&oldid=44332 5* 03Timwi 5* (-579) 10/* Subtraction, unary minus, absolute value, shift right */ Shift right is now in "Fundamentals"
< 1442891355 388313 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a list of places he's patron saint of
< 1442891383 458790 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Template:Back14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=44334 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+37) 10Created Template
< 1442891407 28829 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: what now
< 1442891420 645699 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Funciton/Basic arithmetic14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44335&oldid=44333 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (-20) 10Set up template
< 1442891432 925856 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Sorry. It's a thing for subpages
< 1442891452 322870 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It says "<- [[{{{1}}}|Back to {{{1}}}]]" (where <- is an actual arrow)
< 1442891463 279610 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, but the whole thing is in bold
< 1442891469 624286 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :we have subpages enabled on the user namespace, but not the main oe
< 1442891471 450011 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*one
< 1442891498 749621 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Funciton/Basic arithmetic14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44336&oldid=44335 5* 03Timwi 5* (+1) 10/* Subtraction, unary minus, absolute value */
< 1442891500 373112 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Funciton/Basic arithmetic is a supgage
< 1442891505 661193 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*subpage
< 1442891510 32748 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or is that called something else?
< 1442891517 755185 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's for whatever Funciton/Basic arithmetic is
< 1442891537 567276 :Froo!~Frooxius@172.56.31.166 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442891542 910605 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean mediawiki has an automatic system for those backlinks, but we haven't enabled it for the main namespace
< 1442891548 240715 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Funciton/Basic arithmetic14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44337&oldid=44336 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (-2) 10Fixed template
< 1442891562 813859 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Oh.
< 1442891564 369109 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um.
< 1442891567 352041 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Awkward
< 1442891591 557049 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm afraid it would break pages we already have (/// anyone) if we did?
< 1442891609 819948 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah right
< 1442891611 54673 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well
< 1442891619 838575 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's useful for if you want to add it manually, I guess
< 1442891627 38905 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just /really/ like templates
< 1442891632 971023 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're /coooooooooooooooool/
< 1442891658 802598 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're a c++ programmer now
< 1442891671 670826 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Me?
< 1442891674 423475 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh
< 1442891675 697825 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Templates
< 1442891677 707725 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course
< 1442891692 568758 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :./wiki/ templates I mean
< 1442891705 972377 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Funciton/Basic arithmetic14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44338&oldid=44337 5* 03Timwi 5* (+26) 10/* Division and modulo */
< 1442891725 433570 :Froox!~Frooxius@172.56.31.186 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
< 1442891763 937939 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :here's a sample of how it works in the user space https://esolangs.org/wiki/User:Zzo38/FurryScript
< 1442891812 251093 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah
< 1442891813 772676 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There it is
< 1442891824 184137 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone should figure out what MediaWiki's computational class is
< 1442891870 618523 :Froo!~Frooxius@172.56.31.166 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
< 1442891877 467496 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only reason why it wouldn't be turing complete is because they have to have resource limits
< 1442891916 946946 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Not semantic mediawiki
< 1442891926 180710 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or ParserFunctiosn
< 1442891944 581475 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ParserFuncitons
< 1442891947 683763 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD
< 1442891947 879266 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know all these technical details about it
< 1442891954 820997 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can barely write a template
< 1442891963 160989 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Funciton/Basic arithmetic14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44339&oldid=44338 5* 03Timwi 5* (-243) 10/* Division and modulo */ update to newest version (with Starkov construct)
< 1442892065 885666 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1442892167 913838 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are many other user subpages too, not only myself
< 1442892242 32496 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@172.56.17.63 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442892639 312863 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-088-078-248-074.088.078.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds
< 1442892686 934144 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@172.56.17.63 QUIT :Quit: *bubbles away*
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< 1442892743 507905 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu
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< 1442892998 101601 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay!
< 1442893020 879351 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :My λ-calculus lexer works on at least one test case! ("(λx.x)y")
< 1442893086 273109 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone share in my celebration!
< 1442893102 614360 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay!
< 1442893105 520081 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Alone in Valhalla" would be a good name for a philisophical short story...
< 1442893118 115828 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or is it philosphical?
< 1442893122 893681 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it even really matter?
< 1442893146 547493 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, words are just arbitrary patterns of letters (representing sounds) that we apply meaning to
< 1442893172 310230 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And sounds are just the movement of atoms
< 1442893189 465646 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And AFAICT from Relativity, movement is pretty much meaningless...
< 1442893192 439925 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shit
< 1442893211 493306 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm getting all /(phil(i|o)sophical|.*)/ again
< 1442893249 201180 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :the outer ( ) isn't needed
< 1442893257 829925 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: Yes it is
< 1442893267 761544 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't you notice the |.* at the end?
< 1442893284 971071 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did
< 1442893303 891635 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The point was that it is "philisophical" OR "philosophical" OR any other of the infintite possible words we could assign to it
< 1442893312 271149 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh rihg
< 1442893315 818670 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It isn't needed
< 1442893322 653877 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well it makes it more legible to me
< 1442893367 770377 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And isn't that we can understand it all that matters?
< 1442893383 199377 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION goes into another /(phil(i|o)sophical|.*)/ monologue
< 1442893435 196546 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the point is that the target should understand
< 1442893450 657534 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"we" includes both the speaker AND the target
< 1442893461 503455 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The speaker needs to understand what they're saying, too
< 1442893482 42558 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is why babies saying "i luv my mama" is entirely meaningless
< 1442893499 791042 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :BOOM!
< 1442893500 413247 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I TURNED REGEX INTO RUINING BABIES!
< 1442893501 56105 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :assume you have a perfect translation software
< 1442893512 624200 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1442893515 312819 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Funciton/List handling14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44340&oldid=38011 5* 03Timwi 5* (+11126) 10Updates
< 1442893520 67001 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooooh
< 1442893522 1547 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't speak french, your software can
< 1442893525 274441 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Funciton list handling
< 1442893556 7146 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-078-248-074.088.078.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442893564 453560 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :the software translates your sentence, you say it and you don't understand it anymore, but the target does
< 1442893607 222621 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: But you understand what you're saying, assuming you can trust the soft- oooooh
< 1442893615 683458 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So our brains are the software?
< 1442893638 263627 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's a "Planes of Consciousness" argument?
< 1442893657 307993 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 overwrite10 02 5* 03Timwi 5* 10uploaded a new version of "[[02File:Funciton list functions dependency graph.png10]]"
< 1442893658 787670 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where we may be experiencing two entirely different planes of reality?
< 1442893662 59795 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i didn't mean this but it makes sense i think
< 1442893738 437329 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoa
< 1442893752 494031 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"well i didn't mean this but it makes sense i think"
< 1442893766 616422 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In a conversation about whether the speaker has to understand what they're saying
< 1442893831 790841 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :so meta
< 1442893864 788354 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think we just disproved ourselves
< 1442893876 497055 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@24.237.158.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Not proved ourselves wrong. Disproved ourselves.)
< 1442893958 381842 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Funciton/Functions14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44342&oldid=44331 5* 03Timwi 5* (+151) 10Lazy-evaluated sequences coming up
< 1442894030 111772 :ski!~ski@remote11.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera : hm .. ,
< 1442894133 830510 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p thankies
< 1442894241 405836 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Funciton/Lazy-evaluated sequences14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=44343 5* 03Timwi 5* (+79171) 10Explanations coming up...
< 1442895085 1678 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've uploaded the new version of my font with katakana. I'm having... issues with bopomofo so they're not in the demo yet
< 1442895126 717367 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you use something like git for your font?
< 1442895146 599053 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t Fun
< 1442895147 823980 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: data constructor ‘Fun’
< 1442895148 2359 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Perhaps you meant one of these:
< 1442895148 2434 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : variable ‘un’ (imported from Control.Lens),
< 1442895151 333540 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::k Fun
< 1442895152 479293 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: type constructor or class ‘Fun’
< 1442895190 759582 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@24.237.158.6 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1442895216 264480 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: No, I jsut upload it to my website
< 1442895230 783768 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.orenwatson.be/fontdemo.htm
< 1442895255 544877 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: why are things green?
< 1442895292 405009 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: also some of the hiragana are bursting their bounding boxen
< 1442895305 629665 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are the newset characters
< 1442895334 404673 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually it's not just the hiragana
< 1442895335 854647 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's endemic
< 1442895392 987681 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.orenwatson.be/fontdemo.png they don't seem to do that for me?
< 1442895429 159564 :ski!~ski@remote11.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, petscii
< 1442895467 92822 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh shit I forgot I added more petscii chars
< 1442895477 825237 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :for me the top line of every character is replaced with a single-pixel black line
< 1442895493 821204 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :also your hiragana are really cozy even so Oo
< 1442895609 876835 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there added to demo
< 1442895681 174841 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: web font support appears to vary widly between browsers in terms of pixel-perfection
< 1442895713 438398 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1442895731 207561 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and even between versions of the same browser
< 1442895747 431011 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :firefox behaves different on windows versus linux for instance
< 1442895780 270957 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least terminal emulators appear to have much more consistency
< 1442895998 897666 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i'm gonna try to fix the bopomofo so i can add them
< 1442896142 442467 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@172.56.17.63 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1442896160 378556 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :after that, i'll maybe draw the rest of the wide latin and make them not screwed up
< 1442896400 263408 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net
< 1442896514 764417 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Funciton/Lazy-evaluated sequences14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44344&oldid=44343 5* 03Timwi 5* (+3687) 10
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< 1442897423 416580 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, coppro, I changed the otf file, does this one have less glitches?
< 1442897440 675874 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope, it's the same
< 1442897457 857052 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm...
< 1442897461 168819 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Owell
< 1442897484 927278 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving.
< 1442897679 650766 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least now I know how to make otfs that actually work on other peoples computers
< 1442897855 163050 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are my computers always the special ❄'s?
< 1442898010 201401 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell b_jonas I've added katakana and bopomofo now
< 1442898010 418438 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1442898103 962481 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :'cos I'mma bad ㄇㄈ
< 1442898336 461074 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds
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< 1442899050 597187 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :last day at work
< 1442899150 923010 :bender|!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1442899247 794914 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hkgit03, D: hope you have another job in mind
< 1442899270 599318 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uhm well I am applying of course but got nothing so far
< 1442899273 749590 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'm confident
< 1442899411 924775 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats good, im guessing you are applying for tech jobs
< 1442899524 844970 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :applying for programmer
< 1442899538 629898 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :im looking for one but i live in 'murica but nobody around here will interview high schoolers
< 1442899546 857882 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is that
< 1442899571 182452 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly because of their requirements
< 1442899607 478020 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do they require?
< 1442899608 643003 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the high-paying ones really only accept people that have degrees
< 1442899666 134728 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or internships through the colleges
< 1442899674 106880 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and im not in college yet
< 1442899738 221553 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I won't get the murrican school system very soon
< 1442899794 150899 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is kind of stupid, i practically have the same or better experience than most CS majors
< 1442899863 902960 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1442899888 996744 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know C++?
< 1442899903 305693 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, close to getting a certificate
< 1442899938 302527 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :good
< 1442899963 322726 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++ isn't really used much in school but a lot of companies use it
< 1442899985 531072 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :all im doing to get it is going through the week's material and answering all the questions on the test in one day
< 1442899994 72826 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :then waiting for them to let me take the next test, etc
< 1442900018 930532 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a lot of startups are using Ruby now
< 1442900026 518235 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :egh
< 1442900058 515910 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they accept a lot of college skiddies
< 1442900085 288025 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :millions of lines of terrible code, coming right up
< 1442900086 501883 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ruby and node.js
< 1442900098 812770 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are the main two right now for startups
< 1442900103 351443 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :PHP is slowly slowly dying
< 1442900107 261130 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank god
< 1442900163 426881 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :At work I use C++ and a proprietary language
< 1442900185 471687 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, more like two proprietary languages
< 1442900213 191420 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the C++ is a proprietary dialect
< 1442900224 443768 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :90% of going from mastering C to mastering C++ is memorizing all the different uses for things in std and boost
< 1442900305 203460 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\, robomatter?
< 1442900349 548030 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not
< 1442900384 358732 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no.
< 1442900391 685640 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I work for Soundhound
< 1442900402 472738 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahh
< 1442900413 701711 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we don't do robots. yet.
< 1442900442 302993 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :robomatter is the creator of RobotC which is the fucking worst C like language in existence
< 1442900462 199858 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if someone builds a robot, they could use Houndify to make it voice-activated
< 1442900473 361600 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442900490 519305 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ill explain, robomatter made their own VM and their own C compiler
< 1442900505 109023 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me look up the CPU our robots use
< 1442900510 423117 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i always thought c++ is the worst c like language in existemce
< 1442900550 940632 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly you've never had to figure out what the hell Objective-C++ is supposed to be
< 1442900554 220585 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1] o7
< 1442900576 337713 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haye, hkgit03!
< 1442900587 951236 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf
< 1442900602 391896 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :eaxtly
< 1442900626 996658 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cba look up the model, its some ARM Cortex M3 with only 64k ram and 256k flash
< 1442900640 984717 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see
< 1442900642 696901 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the VM is insane slow
< 1442900661 450699 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-218-160.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
< 1442900699 240449 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :their C compiler is barely ISO compliant
< 1442900740 462109 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :arrays are physical pointers, rather than being their own type and decaying like they usually do in C
< 1442900758 273164 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :decaying?
< 1442900762 187994 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1442900772 268377 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you mean by that
< 1442900780 426786 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hkgit03, say in C you declare a array
< 1442900787 382569 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can use an array's name as if it were a pointer to the first element of the array
< 1442900787 560794 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :char potato[16];
< 1442900803 228564 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442900809 338495 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :himauris
< 1442900824 74124 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can implicitly cast potato as a char*
< 1442900845 702507 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that a cast? I thought it implicitly was nothing but a char*
< 1442900862 50759 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1442900864 112097 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :hioren
< 1442900867 574456 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no because sizeof(potato) is still 16
< 1442900867 989869 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that char potato[16] would be the same as char* potato = (char*)malloc(16);
< 1442900888 610034 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and arrays are allocaed on the stack not the heap
< 1442900898 953052 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait what
< 1442900901 627948 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hkgit03, pretty much but obviously it gets freed as the stack unwinds
< 1442900917 872621 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean the array pointer is on the stack?
< 1442900929 653909 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no the array data is ont he stack
< 1442900933 428453 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no the physical bytes are on the stack
< 1442900940 355425 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what sense does that make
< 1442900951 839048 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well when you want to pass potato to a function
< 1442900952 352100 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cannot get random array access into this context..
< 1442901002 263790 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the stack isn't accessed like a stack in C
< 1442901016 698196 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aren't we talking about the C stack? I thought we were
< 1442901022 903956 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1442901036 347289 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the main issue of their compiler though, if you mess up brackets
< 1442901043 969506 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you get an error on an unrelated line
< 1442901068 592839 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in some cases, a missed semicolon messes up the brackets
< 1442901079 614945 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you get an unrelated error at the bottom of the file
< 1442901085 805453 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hkgit03: of course it's on the stack. that's why it is such a mess to return an array
< 1442901088 807844 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell edwardk I notice you haven't uploaded a new constraints to hackage
< 1442901088 985786 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1442901168 871321 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also there is no linker
< 1442901184 270348 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the linker has been a request for over 5 years now
< 1442901192 591010 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you have to compile the whole program at once?
< 1442901197 852904 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shiiiit
< 1442901219 224662 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, you have to do #include "poop.c"
< 1442901222 241514 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like c++
< 1442901244 778828 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname, xD c++ is the opposite, i feel like i split things into files way too often
< 1442901267 523049 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, yes, you can split into files
< 1442901271 825334 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's it
< 1442901274 461477 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: well yeah, but at least c++ can use namespaces
< 1442901303 526151 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :c++ namespaces are my savior on my latest robot project
< 1442901303 800134 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas here he has to make sure every name is unique throughout the progrem
< 1442901318 757950 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i dont use RobotC
< 1442901344 793883 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is a open-source Free-RTOS based OS for the robots called PROS
< 1442901351 680564 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :its gcc/g++ based
< 1442901357 202469 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is great
< 1442901446 903142 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the typical C equivalent to a namespaced function is a static function
< 1442901447 81061 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :im decent with arm/thumb so inline asm is extremely useful in some cases
< 1442901513 517023 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :until about 2 years ago in RobotC ints were 16 bit and longs were 32 bit
< 1442902078 233703 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnzek-QEc0o
< 1442902115 774361 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-mwtfwxrqshkuijmc QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
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< 1442902599 188623 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\, i only listen to chiptune
< 1442902658 372611 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no liek Jコア?
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< 1442905369 40247 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: ok
< 1442905502 294411 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: oh great, the web font version works now! I swear I tried it yesterday evening and it didn't yet work.
< 1442905518 869030 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm glad you didn't break it forever
< 1442905836 163630 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah I was doing something wrong before when making the otfs
< 1442905859 844996 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not exacly sure what
< 1442905873 440149 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh good!
< 1442905961 116425 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yeah now there is all the kana and also bopomofo
< 1442906000 41793 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tomorrow I'll add the full wide ascii set and maybe a few kanji
< 1442906232 343356 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite
< 1442906245 852889 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should also add at leat that one hangul sylable that looks like a stick figure
< 1442906280 831948 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: are you going to auto-generate the ten thousand korean syllables from constituents? you'd just need to draw the letters in a couple of different sizes, the composition tables to drive it, some simple rules to choose the sizes from the letters (from whether there's a final, and from what shape the medial is), and a perl script to drive and compose the bitmaps and write a bdf.
< 1442906298 472063 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: be sure to add the common Japanese punctuation
< 1442906302 223970 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fullwidth I mean
< 1442906362 354047 :edwardk!sid47016@haskell/developer/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan mostly because i'm not very happy with the new forall
< 1442906362 532150 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1442906455 403434 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got the fullwidth Japanese comma and period already done, but I'll wait until I finish the whole group they're in before I add to the demo
< 1442906663 190748 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/tables/rules/ because it's so long the decompositions aren't even listed in the long tables in ICU, but instead decomposed on the fly by the code, implemented in icu/icu/source/common/normalizer2impl.{h,cpp}
< 1442907140 705665 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: sure, I don't mean only the period, but also some of the more tricky ones, like quotation marks, parenthesis, and the rare tilde thingy
< 1442907153 550970 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and whatever else there is
< 1442907691 761999 :glowcoil!sid3405@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-pczprmmnqdwsnebg QUIT :K-Lined
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< 1442908014 956118 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf. configure help says '--enable-stage1-languages[=all] choose additional languages to build during stage1. Mostly useful for compiler development'
< 1442908022 751173 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm configuring gdb, not gcc, what the heck is with you?
< 1442908183 567511 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, I'mma upload the font again, because I've finished wide ascii
< 1442908305 349105 :edwardk!sid47016@haskell/developer/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442908366 228987 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: the font only, or also the demo?
< 1442908525 861756 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :updated the demo now
< 1442908541 102229 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at the bottom, wide ascii
< 1442908703 400327 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ
< 1442908740 894239 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, I got answer to my question on #gdb
< 1442908822 613448 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: looks good, they match the normal ascii well
< 1442908838 414550 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :should i also put into the demo page the 12 or so chinese characters included?>
< 1442908849 278731 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not urgent
< 1442908909 692066 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client
< 1442908910 256267 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh, I forgot this. you never know which of "make test" and "make check" do tests. sometimes one of them is a plain error, sometimes one is a nop and the other does tests, and sometimes they run a different set of tests.
< 1442909202 237163 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's the chinese in the demo.
< 1442909251 858946 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :一丁丂七丄丅丆丈三上下不且世个中串主九了事二人
< 1442909256 436226 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: great
< 1442909296 107451 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: aren't they supposed to be green though?
< 1442909323 37186 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh good point,
< 1442909338 750369 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I should remove green from the older green ones
< 1442909561 43490 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: I'm missing 日 , 月 , 門 , 口 , which seem quite common, and some more numbers
< 1442909569 320861 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: and the punctuations of course
< 1442909584 206000 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right. punctuation
< 1442909786 246564 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there
< 1442909829 599186 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :々 isn't really punctuation but it's in that range
< 1442909893 426668 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah many common kanji I haven't drawn yet. I'll draw more tomorrow
< 1442910091 488486 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: will you later do two glyphs for the punctuation that changes between left-to-right and right-to-left arabic context, and two glyphs of the Japanese and Chinese punctuation that sometimes changes between horizontal and vertical writing (and sometimes depend on language too)?
< 1442910144 577994 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can do that
< 1442910168 309803 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll put it in my todofile
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< 1442910231 388165 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: in particular, there's a vertial variant of the katakana long vowel sign, and vertical variants of the Japanese full stop and comma that I think might have language-dependent rules, and vertical variants of the Japanese quotation marks
< 1442910265 249678 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: arabic stuff might not be worth because you won't be supporting it with this font, but you are planning to support Japanese text
< 1442910278 200693 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know the detailed rules about these and how common they are, you'll have to look it up
< 1442910290 169445 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442910296 544118 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :they might also depend between ltr and rtl vertical columns
< 1442910300 261976 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know
< 1442910311 925961 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the kanji you added look good to me though
< 1442910313 694698 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nicely drawn
< 1442910321 502819 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have to go now
< 1442910333 950902 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in practice I think japanese and chinese simply use fonts with rotated gyphs
< 1442910339 276240 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got some fails from the gdb make check, but I think at least some of them are because I have too old version of libc here
< 1442910341 442286 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :usually called @fontname
< 1442910357 621092 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :04:21 < b_jonas> \oren\: will you later do two glyphs for the punctuation that
< 1442910357 818071 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric : changes between left-to-right and right-to-left arabic
< 1442910357 996226 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric : context, and two glyphs of the Japanese and Chinese
< 1442910357 996271 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric : punctuation that sometimes changes between horizontal and
< 1442910357 996290 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric : vertical writing (and sometimes depend on language too)?
< 1442910362 310908 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: sure, when you're using software that doesn't have enough support for this kind of stuff
< 1442910371 371769 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :glyph variants and all that
< 1442910375 400230 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shit stupid middle click paste
< 1442910410 212579 :zadock!~outsider@cthulhu.tuiasi.ro JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442910422 728940 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then you get hard to read Japanese text in Chinese font, or Serbian/Macedonian text in Russian font (I still say those should have been two different SCRIPTS in unicode, not one cyrillic script, but politics overrode that and it's way too late to change now with all the existing corpus)
< 1442910438 772033 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have for exaple @MS Gothic which shows all japanese charatcers sideways
< 1442910475 858424 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you print it normally and then turn the page physically
< 1442910482 380825 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: ouch
< 1442910518 966334 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have to go now
< 1442910524 28546 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye
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< 1442913830 574187 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does the esolang wiki have lemons as logo anyway?
< 1442913834 698402 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never asked that before
< 1442913866 145624 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :hkgit03: they're limes
< 1442913887 59087 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whatever. Why limes?
< 1442914033 209254 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're esoteric limes
< 1442914051 341759 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which means?
< 1442914072 761304 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :you summon the devil when you squeeze them? idk
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< 1442914096 956266 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the devil is mainstream
< 1442914119 678761 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe the ghost of Winston Churchill
< 1442914165 468142 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you put the limes there
< 1442914182 283525 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, the trilime.
< 1442914189 910128 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what it's called, I believe.
< 1442914211 98403 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So what does it mean?
< 1442914225 417720 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :As I understand it, the matrix of solidity.
< 1442914250 503572 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what
< 1442914345 612428 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's origins have kind of been lost in time.
< 1442914368 912246 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like origins of most esoteric things, I presume
< 1442914377 793321 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That must be why
< 1442914390 709975 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/logs/log/_esoteric/2012-03-19#015027Maharba some discussion
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< 1442914445 843968 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :blocked by workplace firewall, but I'll read it eventually
< 1442914470 231256 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just as a note of caution, you won't find any answers there, just questions.
< 1442914488 322148 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the "trilime" term is fairly well established, at least.
< 1442914496 607198 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see
< 1442914562 508854 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I once suggested http://zem.fi/~fis/trilime.svg as a replacement, but it wasn't really appreciated.
< 1442914594 776071 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lel
< 1442914624 606028 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah uhm it doesn't raise questions as much as the original trilime
< 1442914650 175843 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you could say that the reasons for the trillime are esoteric
< 1442914671 646042 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what I meant
< 1442914721 837772 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :When life gives you limes, make esolangs.
< 1442914738 753421 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there no backup of the BF Operating System Bootloader?
< 1442914749 595520 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote When life gives you limes, make esolangs.
< 1442914751 504693 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1255) When life gives you limes, make esolangs.
< 1442915201 33137 :mbrcknl!sid28171@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xlnzhzuhcjaakdxz JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1442915773 839888 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lunchtime. Gotta go
< 1442915866 125383 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client
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< 1442919255 123245 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom
< 1442919256 216937 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ostrich/Ostrich used to be a large middle European empire in frequent conflict with Turkey. After a famine it sort of split into Ostrich/Hungry. Alas its policy of keeping its head in the sand did not get it through the Great War, and with its final attempts to take flight failing, it ended up cut into several pieces.
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< 1442919720 392902 :bender|!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1442919901 105917 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442919962 866566 :FireFly!firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom
< 1442919964 77725 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wise/Uninstalling software installed by the Wise Installation Wizard is unwise. It's neither clockwise nor counterclockwise nor otherwise.
< 1442919980 140180 :FireFly!firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom
< 1442919981 243976 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monoid/Monoids are just categories with a single object.
< 1442919993 494578 :FireFly!firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :well at least they are isomorphic
< 1442920356 226201 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? category
< 1442920357 237533 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Categories are just a special case of bicategories.
< 1442920409 915704 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`culprits wisdom/wise
< 1442920411 412389 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan int-e shachaf
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< 1442920474 307856 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bellonder|, FirelloFly, fizziello.
< 1442920730 262491 :FireFly!firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :hoily
< 1442920799 738965 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oil of by.
< 1442920845 358607 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? boily
< 1442920846 238283 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily is monetizing a broterhood scheme with the Guardian of Lachine, apparently involving cookie dealing. He's also a NaniDispenser, a Trigotillectomic Man Eating Chicken and a METARologist. He is seriously lacking in the f-word department.
< 1442920868 518397 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see
< 1442920905 701570 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I use http://www.soloestetica.it/Ingrandimenti5/FA_1813.jpg
< 1442920954 248489 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? fizzie
< 1442920955 257841 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie is not fnord with a monad but the king of #esoteric, see http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/src/fizziecoin.jpg
< 1442920973 869045 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dammit, workplace proxy
< 1442921010 577660 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Content-Type: application/binary
< 1442921017 33135 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not going to be helpful
< 1442921025 469040 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it'll probably just download the file.
< 1442921105 723141 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :hkgit03: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/113389132/Misc/20131230-coin.jpg is a regular image, if that helps. It's not all that exciting to look at, however.
< 1442921132 253992 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guessed that it's an image, thank you.
< 1442921144 60808 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just rant about the workplace proxy in general
< 1442921187 217069 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I assumed it was objecting to the application/binary type, as possibly implied by int-e.
< 1442921205 975585 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's one strict proxy you've got there.
< 1442921216 742743 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The dropbox url works fine
< 1442921236 327291 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And normally, if you use it to browse sites for work purpose, even if they seem to be private, they are not blocked
< 1442921271 971524 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This proxy knows what I'm up to, it has a built-in mind reader which determins my intention and blocks stuff that keeps me from working.
< 1442921287 514426 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly it just has something against codu.org.
< 1442921299 178307 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO it MUST be the mind reader
< 1442921316 664609 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :disbeliever
< 1442921331 333667 :mihow!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442921347 857407 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it has something against codu.org, nothing from that site worked so far iirc -_-
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< 1442921411 940985 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hkgit03: you should try the PDF in the /topic.
< 1442921428 209557 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: EXPANDING CHICKEN
< 1442921434 571001 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did, it worked.
< 1442921459 115172 :hkgit03!c100f8f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.193.0.248.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember reading that for the first time two years ago. I like it.
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< 1442925948 749950 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I am of the opinion that hppavilion[1] is interpreting the esowiki as performance art
< 1442925953 502691 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which may well be the bast attitude to it
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< 1442926366 584638 :age_none!~User@105.210.205.18 PART :#esoteric
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< 1442927426 758866 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at lest he doesn't post lame languages and write yet another bot, i'm fine
< 1442927633 665625 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :
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< 1442930208 492515 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? boxmodel
< 1442930209 418799 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boxmodel is how we figure out how big Taneb's cage is going to be.
< 1442930213 579578 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where the hell did that come from
< 1442930222 103712 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`culprits boxmodel
< 1442930223 363792 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1442930228 328316 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I've forgotten the command
< 1442930231 961708 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that checks wisdom history
< 1442930237 487848 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/wisdom
< 1442930238 80111 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :F="$(find wisdom/*"$1"* -type f | shuf -n1)"; echo -n "${F#wisdom/}/" | rnooodl; cat "$F" | rnooodl
< 1442930254 916216 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/learn
< 1442930255 392792 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :#!/bin/bash \ topic=$(echo "$1" | lowercase | sed 's/^\(an\?\|the\) //;s/s\? .*//') \ echo "$1" >"wisdom/$topic" \ echo "Learned '$topic': $1"
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< 1442931387 425318 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? bicategory
< 1442931388 386575 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bicategories are just categories where composition is only associative up to an isomorphism.
< 1442931409 309085 :rodgort!~rodgort@2607:5300:100:200::160d JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442931793 284609 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :
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< 1442932082 785798 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I think your command was all right. I'm not sure why it didn't work.
< 1442932091 670947 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`culprits boxmodel
< 1442932092 453841 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/log/24f05857a418/wisdom/boxmodel
< 1442932092 925894 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1442932095 673491 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1442932109 728321 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's not the bug where HackEgo does a "No output." on the first command after a whlie
< 1442932111 492601 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*while
< 1442932117 445038 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/culprits
< 1442932118 222435 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hg log --removed "$1" | grep summary: | awk '{print substr($2,2,length($2)-2)}' | sed "s/.$/\x0F&/" | xargs
< 1442932127 836796 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it probably needs manual wisdom/.
< 1442932130 431538 :mihow!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442932137 860133 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since it's a generic culpritter.
< 1442932146 580435 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`culprits wisdom/boxmodel
< 1442932148 213767 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e ais523 coppro
< 1442932161 792823 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha
< 1442932164 197856 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember changing it though
< 1442932164 450495 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Client Quit
< 1442932167 382746 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's bett... except, I don't see those other people in the file log.
< 1442932167 916793 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 overwrite10 02 5* 03Timwi 5* 10uploaded a new version of "[[02File:Funciton list functions dependency graph.png10]]": Why am I wasting so much time on this?
< 1442932175 231931 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442932184 284260 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, perhaps it got affected by my script to delete random entries from wisdom/
< 1442932189 480341 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which was buggy and I'm not sure what it did instead
< 1442932210 205823 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, apparently, and then int-e did a revert.
< 1442932263 339547 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems that it doesn't show up in the web browser's "file log" because it lacks the equivalent of --removed.
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< 1442932330 438306 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :just list the version history of the ATTIC virtual directory
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< 1442933201 700815 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: the webfont version of your fontdemo page now works from the work machine too. so yes, probably just an error in the previous version.
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< 1442934241 313953 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wow!
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< 1442934685 560741 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Erdős discrepancy problem solved, it seems. see https://gowers.wordpress.com/2015/09/20/edp28-problem-solved-by-terence-tao/
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< 1442935363 308566 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: what is the Erdos discrepancy problem?
< 1442935406 122342 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: see that blog post by Gowers, it should tell
< 1442935412 637126 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1442935604 525362 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Funciton/Lazy-evaluated sequences14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44346&oldid=44344 5* 03Timwi 5* (+94) 10whoa, managed to leave out zip
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< 1442937910 332156 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44347&oldid=44163 5* 0368.197.153.86 5* (+23) 10/* Implementations */
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< 1442938020 801413 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bake 20–25 at 350 until golden brown, remove at once.
< 1442938128 603860 :mihow!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442938199 451624 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth
< 1442938279 442797 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: ah, but bake what?
< 1442938304 407986 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno.
< 1442938343 415487 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :My instructions tdnh tbqh.
< 1442938362 781489 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbq?
< 1442938387 702336 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it's a variation on tbh.
< 1442938424 213618 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: did you start off with a nonsequitur just so that you could make that response when someone queried it? :-D
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< 1442938461 942488 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you're not allowed to know the answer to that question.
< 1442938466 971448 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? recipe
< 1442938467 694485 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :recipe? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1442938486 276488 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: a cake
< 1442938531 986672 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? cake
< 1442938533 967159 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Enrichment Center is required to remind you that you will be baked, and then there will be cake.
< 1442938540 439381 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: a "chocolate cherry custard cake with buttercream frosting rosettes"
< 1442938553 38002 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`culprits wisdom/cake
< 1442938554 457341 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e ais523 int-e
< 1442938554 635364 :mihow!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442938558 550918 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :thought so
< 1442938570 902665 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :does fungot like cake?
< 1442938571 82778 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: wp is currently depriving us of the marriage was one of the templates at wikipedia:fair use rationale guideline fair use rationale.
< 1442938584 969508 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :in what state, fungot?
< 1442938585 220701 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: i just archived dana's proposal ( and my revision) as per fnord motion above. user:archolaarch o. lasupsmallfont color="green"user_talk:archolatalk/font/small/supfont color="404040"user:archola/ the_centrist_factiontcf/font 08:01, 27 march 2008 ( utc)
< 1442938593 647406 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what fungot style is that? seems Wikipedia-related
< 1442938593 825497 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i left a message on my talk page and calling me a troll. user:yami takashiyami ( user talk:yami takashitalk)
< 1442938597 791153 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: congrats!
< 1442938598 145467 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: this section is also being discussed above, but that of the wolf, if it's the creatures appearing on the coat of arms, then australia ought to have the equivalent image showing asian people, the most common breast shapes and sizes. the fnord were known as " fnord"
< 1442938631 253378 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? code
< 1442938632 605564 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[11,11,11,15,15,23,12],[5,5,5,3,53,45,16,26,00,20,15,16,22,25,45,91,32,11,15,27,06,01,11,01,47,22,30,13,43,21,11,13,29,61,65,17,19,12,28,17,11,01,23,20,16,20,81,18,32,25,58,22.,1985,10.301350435,1555466973690094680980000956080767,13720946704494913791885940266665466978579582015128512190078...
< 1442938635 157602 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, does seem like
< 1442938642 27648 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nobody has yet been able to figure out the code.
< 1442938652 668849 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let me give you some recipe ingredients generated by a neural net that's not mine.
< 1442938659 171756 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :"1 beer, cut into cubes"
< 1442938680 204692 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: minecraft beer?
< 1442938688 315482 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably.
< 1442938689 533569 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :"2 tablespoons of balsamic cocoa"
< 1442938692 271596 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the second half of the code seems to be composed of numbers, but some seem to have leading zeroes and some of them aren't integers
< 1442938704 26240 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`culprits wisdom/code
< 1442938705 588565 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e ais523 tswett int-e
< 1442938713 79603 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :"6 sprigs of freshly ground black pepper"
< 1442938734 475428 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh, what was the context...
< 1442938766 723202 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: is the recipe neural net just combining random units of measurements with random ingredients?
< 1442938775 912859 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not quite.
< 1442938797 994390 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems to have an idea of what quantities ingredients tend to be used in.
< 1442938816 296339 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's much more likely to say "a teaspoon of salt and two cups of water" than "a teaspoon of water and two cups of salt".
< 1442938847 43580 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: is that part of a Chef program?
< 1442938847 258626 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :"1 egg, well"
< 1442938851 403366 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: nope.
< 1442938855 554043 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://gist.github.com/nylki/1efbaa36635956d35bcc
< 1442938871 238306 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :"1 can enough red cayenne"
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< 1442938901 613409 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :must be a program aimed at writing Chef programs
< 1442938955 279990 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :2015-06-24-14:45:36: This code is better.
< 1442938961 986824 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: any of the recipes theoretically possible yet? if so, any of them look even remotely edible?
< 1442939004 73314 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let me see.
< 1442939013 12920 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :The ingredients list almost never matches the instructions.
< 1442939055 879006 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I would guess someone who understands cooking could find a recipe that looks somewhat reasonable, and then misinterpret it in a way that it deliberately becomes better.
< 1442939073 444026 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is definitely a theoretically possible ingredients list.
< 1442939075 841316 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'd need some prior understanding of what recipes result in acceptible cakes.
< 1442939082 681705 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 cups of chicken broth. 1/2 cup of oil.
< 1442939094 702859 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those are the only ingredients.
< 1442939096 619363 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442939121 810362 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would not make for a good recipe
< 1442939135 359589 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had some lessons on cookery at school
< 1442939152 669962 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that has such a food group imbalance it's absurd
< 1442939166 152373 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :This recipe calls for "salt and bell pepper".
< 1442939182 498792 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :See, it's smarter than a Markov chain.
< 1442939199 53105 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :A Markov chain doesn't really know that "bell pepper" is likely to appear after the same sort of stuff that "pepper" is.
< 1442939247 733325 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: the problem is that many of the recipes with many ingredient mix both sweet and salty ingredients.
< 1442939263 690760 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :"1 tablespoon creme de carrots"
< 1442939281 102491 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mixing sweet and salty ingredients is normally a bad idea, but it's less absolutely a bad idea than making oil 20% of your recipe
< 1442939295 835115 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could maybe get away with making salad cream like that
< 1442939298 543284 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I hate salad cream as it is
< 1442939310 945962 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(oil as 20%, that is, not mixing sweet and salty)
< 1442939319 285010 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: sure, it's not always a bad idea, but you have to be careful with it
< 1442939327 835609 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: this tries to put _chocolate_ in a salad-like thing
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< 1442939346 516271 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which it calls "CHINESE MEAT" despite that it has no meat by the way)
< 1442939364 72314 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I don't eat chocolate any more, but a chocolate salad sandwich would probably taste reasonable
< 1442939366 457210 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :"1/4 teaspoon pepper, or dough"
< 1442939402 894792 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :"1/2 cup of water, whatever; grated"
< 1442939419 243100 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes, the quantities seem to be very off too
< 1442939462 821512 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't seem to understand that you need not only condiments, but some sort of constitutent like flour or corn or meat or vegetable or something of which you take more than just a few spoonfuls
< 1442939470 554131 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :This recipe calls for a quarter teaspoon of salt, and a quarter teaspoon of salt, and salt and pepper, and salt, and three teaspoons of salt, and two tablespoons of salt, and a half cup of shredded salt.
< 1442939486 977507 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: hehe
< 1442939512 6269 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: that'd make a decent condiment for crisps, I think
< 1442939514 511270 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Internets appears is variety and rep." it says
< 1442939538 187084 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks like this recipe has 58 ingredients.
< 1442939539 266915 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does "cn" mean in "2 cn Walnuts"?
< 1442939539 827672 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: are any recipes calling for spam, spam, spam and spam?
< 1442939552 846405 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't understand these american ingredient listings. there's no grams anywher
< 1442939565 265190 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and "2 sm Chicken brisket", whatever is a "sm"?
< 1442939565 861277 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I assume "cans".
< 1442939589 351938 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I think "sm" means "small".
< 1442939592 691174 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :_cans_ of walnuts? if you say so
< 1442939599 619044 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1442939602 572551 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :_small_
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< 1442939618 556986 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think those are right, but I also think abbreviating 'can' with 'cn' is stupid.
< 1442939635 783922 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: what two-letter abbreviation would you use?
< 1442939643 19157 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't.
< 1442939645 524623 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :can.
< 1442939662 893680 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :walnuts normally come in packets
< 1442939670 465589 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But perhaps the recipe database has a VARCHAR(2) field.
< 1442939671 511650 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basil balls of bean bread. Serves 4. Ingredients: 2 large cornmeal; bread. (End of recipe)
< 1442939671 933002 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that case the ingredient list of "HUNGARIAN SOUR CHERRY POT PHIG PART" doesn't look that unreasonable
< 1442939701 762973 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, many nuts come in cans though; why not walnuts...
< 1442939712 645810 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's indeed very disconcerting that after that ingredient list, the recipe starts with "Put fish"
< 1442939717 256898 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no fish mentioned before
< 1442939735 907052 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Put fish into flour mixture over hot oil in a medium-size." is ok, but not after those ingredients
< 1442939744 955556 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: it's an unexpected twist to make the story more exciting
< 1442939756 215499 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: that instruction sounds /vaguely/ like you're intended to batter the fish
< 1442939758 637103 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"over hot oil"...
< 1442939773 80086 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it's not worded properly for that
< 1442939820 565858 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :"8 ounce piece of trout of milk (1 cup)"
< 1442939837 567604 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :"2 quarts of vegetables with chocolate"
< 1442939839 923829 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :any americans here, is 8 oz = 1 cup?
< 1442939843 47904 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I assume you'd roll the fish in the flour mixture, then fry in hot oil, which is good, it's just a bit abbreviated for experienced cooks.
< 1442939860 493388 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure
< 1442939861 327729 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yeah.
< 1442939870 180102 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :"1 cup of dark tomato sheets"
< 1442939881 470662 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :"1 large cinnamon crumb"
< 1442939887 823623 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like... just a big chunk of cinnamon?
< 1442939888 406635 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Bake in a food processor until the sauce is ready to use."
< 1442939921 981416 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it says "Mix together the peaches" so I assume he ran out of cans of pineaple and decided to substitute peaches, which is a strange bait and switch of the main ingredient so I'd demand a refund, but whatever.
< 1442939947 707836 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like these instructions.
< 1442939951 645685 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Mix together the flour, sugar, the baking dish, garlic, shortening, and butter."
< 1442939956 996835 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :then "Plave another until very smooth, about 45 minutes or until the meat is tender." which means he's forgotten about the fish already and went back to the chicken briskets
< 1442939976 973746 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :neural net output tends to have a short attention span
< 1442939981 904194 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but "When cookies melts, fold the top in the muffin thick" is out of the blue
< 1442939986 84374 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Would you like to learn how to cook?
< 1442939986 269190 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: it would take much fnord to get closer than you already are. what you call aol when it's gone awol and wont connect! user:68.39.174.15068.39.174.150 05:24, 9 may 2007 ( utc)
< 1442939989 465166 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: the garlic is a nice touch.
< 1442939994 443527 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Cut the strips on the oven and chill" is fine
< 1442940007 383071 :sc00fy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442940015 844764 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Serve with a hamburger." Yeah, sure.
< 1442940017 271565 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what cookies? he didn't get to that point yet
< 1442940030 711687 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Turn off any flour; stir in beans, cooking oil and orange juice."
< 1442940049 361348 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Pour about 1/4 lemons, cocoa, and sugar in the prepared pan." -- er what? oh, that's how you make the cookies?
< 1442940071 947909 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Bake in a food processor until the sauce is ready to use." -- ah, so that's the frosting for the cookies!
< 1442940079 497819 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is a recipe for "herbs".
< 1442940084 139493 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but where'd he get the cookies?
< 1442940102 101701 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Makes about 3/4 flvidore by Electronicies for $7.96"
< 1442940106 395924 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Full instructions, after a long, long list of ingredients: "Preheat oven to 350. Remove from pan; fold into pieces and season. Add remaining butter and sugar. Cover with baking sheets. Spread crumbled barley on a parmesan cheese it."
< 1442940116 801365 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I see, the ingredients has walnuts, sugar, and egg yolks. probably he made cookies or muffins from those.
< 1442940118 374161 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damn it, I hate in-recipe purchases.
< 1442940146 432559 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, these are funny
< 1442940204 254528 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"-- cook over low heat until the eggplant forms of a colander."
< 1442940225 787338 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If only it didn't have the ungrammatical "of".
< 1442940257 829000 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"183 calories" -- you must mean per 100 gram or something.
< 1442940284 611151 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, "3 grams carbohydrate"? no way. where'd all the sugar and other ingredients go?
< 1442940311 387205 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here are the full instructions on how to make "HONEY PEPPER (LA])": "combine flour, baking powder, and cinnamon. Serve over top of instead."
< 1442940333 725986 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :now that sounds like a great prank :)
< 1442940351 723835 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :"... let stand at room temperature for 3 to 4 hours, or until setting forms an easter."
< 1442940369 164273 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :flour + baking powder + cinnamon is actually a plausible set of things to mix together, at least
< 1442940371 918998 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :this program really likes broth
< 1442940396 294333 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :"2 tablespoons of lemon rind or taco"
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< 1442940413 176333 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :"1 teaspoon potatoes (optional)"
< 1442940437 144225 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Bake at 400 degrees for about 40 minutes, stirring constantly" – now that would be a miserable experience!
< 1442940462 14038 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :"1 pound water, softened" – I can do that; I have a water softener at home.
< 1442940466 628326 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: you can take it out of the oven to bake it
< 1442940475 627594 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, to stir it
< 1442940484 222278 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-81.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaais52333333333333333333333333333333
< 1442940485 553461 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Take it out of the oven constantly?
< 1442940499 864395 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe, "BUFTHA DINGS (PASTA TOGERICK)" has only one ingredient. you wouldn't guess what that one ingredient is.
< 1442940504 207732 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we can interpret "constantly" as a malapropism for "continually"
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< 1442940534 67540 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: cooking oil?
< 1442940545 867645 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"1 c Chopped redpen; cut into Pinch with plain white and -butter"
< 1442940554 933454 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, I don't know what redpen means
< 1442940560 84642 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed, I wouldn't have guessed that.
< 1442940578 674446 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of the ingredients for this one is "Leaves"
< 1442940591 912095 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"roflmao
< 1442940597 543481 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the instructions
< 1442940598 880876 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :these hurt
< 1442940608 862207 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :"2 tablespoons of chopped fresh curry or cooking spray"
< 1442940627 500431 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :"2 medium sugar or food coloring"
< 1442940641 707609 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to interpret "cooking spray" as the sort of sprayable oil that's sometimes used to cut down on lipid content
< 1442940681 726584 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :"1 cup of cooking oil or mint pieces (abouth)"
< 1442940694 970484 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :"1 cup of miniature sour cream, solid halves"
< 1442940758 512775 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :look at these
< 1442940782 698714 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Saute the dough into the freezer if colangol salmons, add the steamed with a large skillet, stir together the milk and oil. Add fruit and cook for about 1 hour. Add the mixture into bowl and add the chops and the buttermilk."
< 1442940788 51534 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :all from just one cup of redpen
< 1442940800 951090 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think we should probably let the neural net have some more training
< 1442940810 232845 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Redpen is a very versatile ingredient.
< 1442940817 501855 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh! a redpen must be a magical crayon that lets you wish any object into existance!
< 1442940853 245830 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :like the Purple Crayon
< 1442940862 755856 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or what the scribblenaughts game uses
< 1442940876 284234 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's actually a very viscous gel whose properties vary with temperature and acidity.
< 1442940888 121352 :mihow!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1442940893 475025 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but "if colangol salmons" is funny enough
< 1442940896 442376 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Funciton/List handling14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44348&oldid=44340 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (-23) 10"Made" a "meaningful" "contribution" to the article
< 1442940907 963434 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and "with a large skillset" must be a euphemism
< 1442940931 330387 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Very viscous" as in it's about as thick as... uh, lemme think here.
< 1442940961 870444 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The mixture with a well combined and additional in the bottom of the prepared pan. Microwave one hour." ok
< 1442940974 930230 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Peanut butter. It's about as viscous as peanut butter.
< 1442940976 93289 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't very specific about what to do, but ok
< 1442940978 199069 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean
< 1442940987 720912 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well combined what and additional what?
< 1442940999 566725 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what do I microwave? the pan?
< 1442941023 543439 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. Microwave the mixture in the pan.
< 1442941025 784821 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Top with fresh beef, tuna, drain, cook the remaining mayonnaise, and top with salt. Sprinkle with sauce." -- ah, tuna with the colangol salmons!
< 1442941049 840832 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"drain" of what?
< 1442941059 221796 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's obvious to someone who cooks.
< 1442941116 436460 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Meanwhile, depending on the oil in large bowl, combine the flour, baking dilespallas, lemon juice, and all the chicken."
< 1442941120 667716 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just, all the chicken.
< 1442941121 216336 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Date: New York, Mark Summer" -- um, you have to be a bit more specific with the location if you invite me to a date. oh, maybe he lives in the 2000s and thinks I'll find her on facebook.
< 1442941140 319428 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"dilespallas"?
< 1442941146 497734 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume that's something fancy.
< 1442941178 545246 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I read "depending on oil in large bowl" as being some sort of improvised hourglass for measuring time.
< 1442941192 673738 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"3 tb Oil flour" -- um, what's that?
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< 1442941220 16479 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"1/2 c Water; or margarine" -- ah yes, a flexible recipe
< 1442941252 474336 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Sometimes these are a little incomprehensible.
< 1442941255 499582 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Peel beefer a laliar and all of each piece of salad."
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< 1442941279 98625 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That's the entire instructions for a CHEESE SALAD IN SAUCE SAUCE.)
< 1442941288 238675 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's your favourite sauce? Well, I like sauce sauce a lot.
< 1442941290 669628 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's so saucy.
< 1442941317 529141 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe, "AGOUNA TOPPING PASTRYY SALAD" (with "YY" in it, must be a wookie recipe) lists a long list of ingredients with like everything in it, and then says "Dissolve all the ingredients in a 1 cup pot of the foil."
< 1442941323 688285 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah no, I don't think those will just dissolve
< 1442941348 435764 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The ingredients of the CHEESE SALAD IN SAUCE SAUCE include "1/2 c Water, whatever; grated".
< 1442941354 759574 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"1 c Medal 1/4-inch-wide" of what meat?
< 1442941361 427264 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: hehehe
< 1442941365 78246 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's nice
< 1442941373 277001 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/2 c Water, whatever; grated
< 1442941414 986074 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the same list, there's also "1 1/2 tb Water; cooked and".
< 1442941439 767172 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"1 ts Club cabbage" -- er what?
< 1442941452 239587 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and "1 ts Rolled of cornmeal" -- what rolls what?
< 1442941497 442931 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :then of course even after this long list of ingredients that doesn't make much sense, it manages to mention mostly such items in the recpie that aren't in the list
< 1442941504 348886 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Apparently the "club cabbage" is the colloquial term for the Norwich City coach service.
< 1442941506 516659 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :eggs, banana, vinegar, basil,
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< 1442941539 109712 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Combine the egg, eggs, and sift mixture."
< 1442941560 728186 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there any way to combine neural networks and markov chains?
< 1442941561 335423 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Bake at 350,"
< 1442941566 684491 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ftoc 350
< 1442941567 431191 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :350.00°F = 176.67°C
< 1442941574 418612 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's better
< 1442941589 270434 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :apples,
< 1442941611 235932 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it's "skillet", not skillset
< 1442941618 567723 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and apparently "skillet" means some sort of pan
< 1442941644 727670 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :potatoes?
< 1442941662 116803 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Refrigerate the sugar cubes on plate." -- if you say so
< 1442941679 577217 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I would guess the former are sufficiently powerful to represent the latter, if you want.
< 1442941693 489106 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Remove from the heat and rosemary sheeps, almost the peaches if the potatoes and filling, add the sugar mixture, pourielant, and stir the flour mixture, stirring, turning with the top."
< 1442941697 494790 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you lost me there
< 1442941720 920182 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: they seem to do similar things in different ways
< 1442941755 423774 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"in a rollict pan" -- what
< 1442941784 214909 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I'm not good at cooking, but if these weren't all English, maybe I'd have a chance to just understand most of the funny _words_.
< 1442941832 55894 :FireFly!firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see a lot of recipe-like lines in the scrollback. Is fungot testing their culinary skills?
< 1442941832 233989 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: let me quote: ' ' too complicated. likely to confuse the public, that marthinus accepted funds from mi, and there may be funny, but not me.
< 1442941836 80524 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, this one may require dark magic, unless it has some special meaning in cooking: "1 c Packed days; almonds"
< 1442941844 144910 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: https://gist.github.com/nylki/1efbaa36635956d35bcc
< 1442941847 482430 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :um
< 1442941849 408286 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: ^
< 1442941850 310653 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry
< 1442941864 473952 :FireFly!firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah
< 1442941891 338460 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Maybe it's someone confusing dates and days.
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< 1442941917 134877 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If you don't wark the brown, add the sugar and sugar." -- the ingredient list only has one mention of sugar, though it mentions salt three times and pepper twice.
< 1442941933 452361 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, it's based on user-contributed data.
< 1442941942 467794 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Yield: 20 Oct 199 Mayonnaise and fresh chicken freeze with fork use muffins in lengthwise."
< 1442941953 543588 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :er what
< 1442941956 294860 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1442941964 749924 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what the Packed days are for!
< 1442941971 770625 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :to yield 20 Oct 199
< 1442941973 638513 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's obvious
< 1442941987 475573 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :still requires dark magic
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< 1442942031 634600 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, yes but War doesn't preserve its enemies.
< 1442942044 376104 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :TIL: candy is made out of flour, finely chopped onion and olive oil.
< 1442942062 127098 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :By combining all three, then simmering over medium heat.
< 1442942076 523879 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost plausible
< 1442942097 846606 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Followed by a lot of other stuff involving cheese, fish, potatoes, cream shortening, sugar, baking powder, cinnamon, peas, egg whites, etc.
< 1442942104 454574 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finished by microwaving on high for 2 minutes.
< 1442942105 162796 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol, this long list has "1 ts Salt; 1 ts Salt; 1 ts Salt; 1/8 ts Salt; 1 ts Salt" spread in it
< 1442942114 896534 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also "1 x ------------------------------" is an ingredient
< 1442942128 356770 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, the mystery ingredient
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< 1442942141 919330 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, you must be looking at the BASIC SAUCE WITH CHICKEN WITH CHICKEN.
< 1442942145 947781 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, I think that's code for "repeat everything until the next line 1 times"
< 1442942149 260374 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Written uppercase, the titles look like Unicode character names.
< 1442942154 978302 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yes
< 1442942191 862710 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: no, for the titles have ampersands, which clearly can't occur in a character name
< 1442942197 36481 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the idea that the chickens are used to garnish the sauce, rather than vice versa
< 1442942215 257345 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe
< 1442942231 686020 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so has anyone found a plausible one yet?
< 1442942233 478384 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :the sauce is the best part!
< 1442942243 631145 :FireFly!firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :"1 Beer -- cut into cubes"
< 1442942244 463355 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I can confirm that you can reasonably have two differently-prepared pieces of chicken in the same meal
< 1442942256 827437 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: ice cubes, easy
< 1442942263 356054 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: yep, minecraft beer
< 1442942275 757450 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: The disconnect between instructions and ingredients make it hard to get plausible ones.
< 1442942276 620003 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: of course! four-chicken pizza is the BEST
< 1442942292 654882 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yummy chicken breast meat, prepared four different ways
< 1442942296 643549 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love it
< 1442942297 720614 :FireFly!firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cubed beer is an interesting ingredient for barbecue ribs
< 1442942310 573204 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think adding enough structure to the output to share nouns there would make them a lot more plausible.
< 1442942322 44668 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yes, you have to find short descriptions or short ingredient lists
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< 1442942341 274597 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And those that use the "first three ingredients" or "all the ingredients" references.
< 1442942412 842684 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :look at this APPLE SALAD SUPRETTI for example. both the ingredient list and the description is short enough, and the instructions include "Bake in preheated oven for 1 hour" after an ingredient list with 2 c milk, 4 c flour, and sugar, which totally makes sense
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< 1442942434 320515 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :how it would yield 8 servings from just 4 cup of flour I have no idea, but whatever
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< 1442942453 88679 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it also has almonds
< 1442942459 861967 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: It starts by mixing chopped onion, water, tabasco and celery, none of which exist.
< 1442942465 843928 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everything seems to have almonds.
< 1442942479 748306 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: serves 8 wasps
< 1442942481 744508 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you drop the first paragraph completely, the CHOCOLATE RANCH BARBEQUE doesn't seem *that* far out.
< 1442942482 663457 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :wowow i'm looking at this
< 1442942486 929796 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yeah, the onion seems like a bad idea for this, but still
< 1442942509 715326 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"2 tb Parmesan cheese -- chopped; 1 c coconut milk; 3 eggs, beaten": "Combine the cheese and salt together the dough in a large skillet; add the ingredients and stir in the chocolate and pepper."
< 1442942520 934651 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess they just didn't want to mention the salt and pepper.
< 1442942534 265994 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yeah, that on eis short enough too
< 1442942536 924751 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The first paragraph is completely contradictory, though.)
< 1442942599 873860 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"1 ts Freshly ground black pepper -- and cut into 1/2" pieces" -- what? cut into half inch pieces after grounding the pepper?
< 1442942604 47342 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or the CHICKEN WINGS PANOUT, if you ignore the epilogue.
< 1442942617 889914 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :even whole black pepper has pieces smaller than half an inch
< 1442942624 68706 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The full instructions are: "Combine all ingredients; beat until smooth. Reserve salt and grated cheese. Cool completely."
< 1442942678 280250 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: hehe, that one has funny things after. "NUMBERNANT COOKING IN THE SWITTER DOG MONE 6."
< 1442942678 783246 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure the cookie ice cream goes that well with garlic and soy sauce, though.
< 1442942717 872940 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I think you can then jump to "add the chocolate and then cook until almost about 10 minutes or until slightly thickened." from later in the recipe
< 1442942762 435532 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"almost about 10 minutes" is a great unit of time
< 1442942762 994403 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but this thing really doesn't understand quantities
< 1442942828 764203 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Making Hungarian skime corn potatoes involves, among a lot of other things and in this order, blending all ingredients, adding all ingredients, combining all ingredients, placing "remaining" ingredients in a plastic wrap in a skillet, and adding the still remaining ingredients.
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< 1442942963 970993 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"1 lb Lean bag in microwave"
< 1442942966 255323 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, in a http://www.xkcd.com/870/ panel 1 way
< 1442943012 390154 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe, "2 lb Potatoes; almost" -- I haven't seen that in a recipe yet
< 1442943041 282559 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, that's not bad actually
< 1442943047 575341 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :look at COUNTRY DIP COOKIES
< 1442943102 594911 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"2 lb Potatoes; almost; 1 lg Orange slices; 1/4 c Coarse carrot; leaves. This is too things to make pasta, spread with sauce. Beef the food processor and a skin to blend.
< 1442943122 307026 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Refrigerate for 30 to 30 minutes or until the mushrooms are not boil. Serve with fruits. Serves 3."
< 1442943134 223723 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it says "Yield: 6 Servings" in the header, but ok
< 1442943150 375085 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's also in the "poultry" category.
< 1442943174 417723 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the mushrooms would not be boil almost immediately.
< 1442943178 848069 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yes, it's a sauce spread you use to serve chicken pasta with
< 1442943195 784868 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the next one has a funny title: "BROAK PLANT BROCK STUFFED BLANT FOR 1"
< 1442943206 535946 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no instructions at all
< 1442943212 841790 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're obvious.
< 1442943221 602650 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1442943226 53719 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it has a consistent ingredient list
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< 1442943229 914844 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we might actually be able to cook it
< 1442943235 841862 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there more than one way you can proceed if you're given granulated sugar, salad oil, lemon juice, salt, and hot soy sauce?
< 1442943240 137503 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :given that we can make the instructions up
< 1442943257 708126 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: don't forget the Steamed, Biscuits
< 1442943260 856545 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're the main ingredient
< 1442943269 189643 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: hmm, I think there's more of a chance of there being less than one way you can proceed
< 1442943276 823772 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's 16 boull of hot soy sauce, too.
< 1442943291 498217 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: that's optional if you don't like hot food
< 1442943298 228317 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It yields 16 servings, so I guess it's one "boull" per serving.
< 1442943309 502793 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If that's the same as a bowl, it sounds a bit spicy.
< 1442943366 134634 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, the next ingreient list, the one with "CURRIED CREAM CORN COOKIES" has somewhat reasonable ingredients, provided you igonre the quantities of the Kikkoman salt and the pepper, which must be typos
< 1442943393 499226 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, and the insrtuctions aren't too bad too,
< 1442943431 382405 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :this CURRIED CREAM CORN COOKIES seems nice, but miscategorized as "Cumin"
< 1442943434 250400 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the other hand, it's the one where the eggplant forms a colander.
< 1442943447 336447 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You may need to cook over low heat for a long time before that happens.
< 1442943469 906388 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yeah, I'd like to think the "Top with" part is an optional addition
< 1442943490 634019 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe, it has chopped salt!
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< 1442943570 437662 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does "consistenches" mean?
< 1442943655 94640 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"CARAMELLED CORN PIPS & A LAN SAUCE" has a simple ingredient list of ground beef and condiments only, then a long set of instructions that go very overboard for that
< 1442943700 610288 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems really complicated to make.
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< 1442946956 973636 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-81.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm making a program to help people with the λ-calculus
< 1442947001 17739 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-81.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I make it so there's a "λ" button that types "λ" at the current cursor, or so that "\L" is replaced with "λ", or both?
< 1442947049 121855 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Assign a single key perhaps, such as F1 key or tab key
< 1442947138 369717 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-81.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oooh
< 1442947141 598045 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-81.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That works
< 1442947168 230283 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-81.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll add a "λ" button AND a rebindable key for it
< 1442947182 72262 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-81.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because if you have a laptop, you can't hit f1 very easily
< 1442947209 185275 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just make people type Ctrl-Shift-U 3 B B