< 1443917092 545114 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm more interested in data about what people in scotland actually speak at this stage < 1443917552 914932 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :from just that lecture i don't know how contemporary his speech actually is < 1443918473 257861 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Stackstack14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44590&oldid=43036 5* 03LegionMammal978 5* (+0) 10 < 1443918694 624404 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :“MPlayer crashed. This shouldn't happen.” < 1443918784 887214 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: what's a 23-skidoo? < 1443918785 146681 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: when they are revealed you don't have to crowd on computers without drscheme or the scheme community < 1443918819 86732 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: SRFI 23: Error reporting mechanism? < 1443918819 440911 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: oleg's treap implementation is an inadequate reification and the invocation process are part of a syntax-rules macro, which is not valid punctuation. it is fnord) < 1443918848 476718 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: oh, oleg's involved. I suspected type hackery right off the bat. < 1443918848 779793 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: thanks. aagh, postscript!" and even if they pay i won't get any judging done :(. < 1443918867 918893 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: postscript has a type system? < 1443919049 573148 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/23_skidoo_(phrase) < 1443919120 249936 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, do you have your skidoo license? < 1443919146 6442 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do I need one in order to 23 skidoo? < 1443919178 7142 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1443919185 582843 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thachaf. tdh. < 1443919323 468324 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdxucpPq6Lc around 5:33, but watching the whole thing is more interesting, the skidoo license bit is a throwaway joek < 1443919325 205719 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :joke < 1443920730 594336 :sc00fy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1443921860 740361 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? porthello < 1443921861 927575 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :porthello? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1443921881 680620 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like portmanto but with hello < 1443921887 925188 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, of course. < 1443921897 482614 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you sure it shouldn't be porthellau? < 1443921918 438605 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or perhaps even portmantellau. < 1443921927 990030 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Portmanthellau? < 1443921948 277507 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Natalie Portman-Thellau. < 1443922449 822833 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo: http://existentialcomics.com/comic/1 is quite funny < 1443922479 955583 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I've seen it before < 1443922494 620770 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I figured < 1443922853 204350 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the animation feels like someone having an imaginary argument < 1443922958 375923 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :where someone sets up a straw man and demolishes it < 1443923079 142589 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :porte-mantelleault. < 1443923512 792856 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: nyc was fun! < 1443923785 703856 :MoALTz!~no@78.11.179.104 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1443923833 587039 :MoALTz!~no@78.11.179.104 JOIN :#esoteric < 1443923918 577799 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the wikipedia list of joyo kanji says 呪 means "charm" but I'm pretty sure it means "curse" < 1443924061 912308 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1443924188 564755 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like nelson agrees with me < 1443924370 443310 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :呪文 incantation 呪術 sorcery < 1443924382 649528 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :jisho says spell; curse < 1443924395 776054 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fix it? < 1443924424 811608 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but 呪文 can mean charm as well < 1443924472 270799 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1443924516 720856 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheloppro! you survived! did you make outrageous hands? < 1443924527 547656 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it isn't the most common meaning < 1443924534 1708 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I fixed it < 1443924637 875243 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to think of Magic cards that would just break the game by confusing the rules. < 1443924646 720975 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw "nelson" is the author of "The Japanese-English Character Dictionary" < 1443924647 10865 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: no, best was a haneman. but I was reffing, not playing < 1443924649 408435 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :This one seems to be pretty good: < 1443924656 531907 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: could you add 露 twh < 1443924670 507742 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :including casual play, there was one yakuman on saturday and five (!) on sunday, including two kokushi by the same person (!?!?!?!?!) < 1443924673 466829 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Ō_Ō! < 1443924689 206470 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Target word on target face-up card becomes target other word on that card." < 1443924704 931066 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :本当?嘘だ！ < 1443924737 607314 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :See that sorcery on the stack which happens to contain the word "land" in its text box? Well, that sorcery is now a land. < 1443924794 607066 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do lands even go on the stack? < 1443924796 207302 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: also, please add 漫 twah < 1443924818 989914 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: I'll put them on the list < 1443924827 213219 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, normally a land cannot be on the stack. < 1443924878 812762 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: do you have a large kanji backlog? < 1443924879 153850 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, when I used to play in middle school the stack was literally a stack < 1443924910 559743 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :The rules don't say what happens when a land resolves. They say what happens when an instant spell, sorcery spell, or ability resolves, as well as what happens when a permanent spell resolves. < 1443924919 349672 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: not really < 1443924945 3594 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm about to realase another revisio though < 1443925014 279957 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, under the current rules, whenever something resolves, it must leave the stack somehow, and if it's a card, it goes to the graveyard if it doesn't go somewhere else for some reason. < 1443925045 252584 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I think we could reasonably conclude that if a land on the stack were to resolve, it would just go directly to the graveyard. < 1443925049 208343 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION plans to use \oren\'s font for strategic sections of the PDF
< 1443925077 512425 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there should be more pictures in the PDF. the fizziecoin is nice, but it's a little bit lonely imeo. < 1443925120 923456 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: the best was the baiman that got ruined by atamahane though < 1443925131 168926 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :But wait, that's not right. < 1443925141 764245 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :The rules state: "A spell is a card on the stack." < 1443925152 966847 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :So if a land is on the stack, that land is a spell. < 1443925169 946858 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :So is it a permanent spell or not? < 1443925193 29676 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the one hand, the rules give a listing of the types that a permanent spell can be, and "land" isn't one of those. < 1443925194 122536 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: ow. < 1443925200 814612 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: lands are not allowed on the stack < 1443925221 592256 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the rules do not specify what happens if a land is on the stack for the simple reason that it is not possible < 1443925222 97691 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: is there a state-based action that happens when a land is on the stack? < 1443925300 946104 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the other hand, this land spell would be a spell that's a permanent card. So I think I'd rule that actually, a land on the stack is a permanent spell. < 1443925316 733630 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :time for some horizontality. 'night all! < 1443925322 742355 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: HYPOCHLORIC CHICKEN < 1443925325 93375 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :N'ight. < 1443925351 617420 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :night < 1443925383 915854 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: it's like how there's no rule about an instant or sorcery on the battlefield < 1443925420 359686 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the rules say that if a permanent loses all of its permanent types, it remains on the battlefield as a permanent. < 1443925456 847428 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :The rules also say what happens if you're supposed to turn a permanent face up, but it wouldn't be a permanent if it were face up. < 1443925477 809482 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1443925487 565467 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :both those situations could exist < 1443925517 352836 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is no state-based action moving an instant or sorcery on the battlefield to its owner's graveryard, though, because that situation is impossible < 1443925520 347567 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like a land on the stack < 1443925547 376064 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the CR are designed to handle Magic as the game that actually is played < 1443925555 503254 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(although there are corner cases where they have issues) < 1443925582 457345 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.orenwatson.be/fontdemo.htm updated < 1443925592 269968 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :All right. But let's consider what would happen if we wanted to follow the comprehensive rules as closely as possible, while playing with "hack cards" such as this one. < 1443925598 197526 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Think like a Nomicker! < 1443925672 801883 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: then the people inventing such cards should specify what happens < 1443925679 50536 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :My revised opinion is that if a land were to be on the stack and then resolve, it would be put on the battlefield. < 1443925684 717460 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: I guess I'd better start specifying, then. < 1443926447 306199 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1443926484 847004 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could make an odd sort of Magic nomic with that hack card. < 1443926513 335306 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Two changes. < 1443926743 840464 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :First, add in the following card: "Greater Magical Hack. 6UU. Sorcery. Name a card, and choose two individual words on that card. The first word permanently becomes the second word on all instances of that card." < 1443926820 820203 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Second, each player has an emblem that says the following: "You cannot win or lose. If you would draw a card, but every player's library is empty, then each player shuffles his or her graveyard into his or her library, then you draw a card." < 1443926852 199339 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are Magic: The Gathering cards ever ambiguous in a way that's resolved by rulings? < 1443926860 217632 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1443926864 789006 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I'm pretty sure. < 1443926869 685144 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone got an example? < 1443926872 307166 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a bit scow. < 1443926889 706532 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the previous rules manager was of the opinion that all situations should have a resolution derived directly from the rules, but this is no longer in the philosophy of the rules design < 1443926895 209768 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do they later change the rules to resolve the ambiguity? < 1443926896 978665 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1443926897 378921 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :so in certain edge cases the ruling stands alone < 1443926902 595167 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? scow < 1443926903 641828 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :scow? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1443926925 771659 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is no rule that enables Oblivion Ring and similar cards to actually work < 1443926938 186968 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :they operate only by fiat < 1443927176 376807 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess whoever does the first Greater Magical Hack could trivially make the game unwinnable by naming Greater Magical Hack and then changing, say, "becomes" to "admires". < 1443927208 858439 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, no, because "admires" isn't on that card. < 1443927291 457250 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could just modify it so it doesn't make any sense: "The first word permanently and the second word on all instances of that card." < 1443927295 996192 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :change "first" to "second" < 1443927307 48740 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup, that'll do it. < 1443927379 303420 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Come to think of it, I don't think this version of GMH is open-ended. < 1443927393 651310 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, sure it is. < 1443927461 680212 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can use GMH to alter other cards in such a way that they too become hacking cards. I guess. < 1443927520 17599 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That "Greater Magical Hack" is not mathematically correct, I think < 1443927566 381176 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I would think a land on the stack would go into play if it resolves; however, the rules do not explicitly say < 1443927632 673108 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, here we go. < 1443927637 173215 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Swirl the Mists says: < 1443927646 792371 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :"As Swirl the Mists enters the battlefield, choose a color word. All instances of color words in the text of spells and permanents are changed to the chosen color word." < 1443927665 586703 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could use GMH to turn "choose a color word" into "choose a text word". < 1443927680 20046 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Presumably pretty much all words count as "text words". < 1443927743 168632 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it means nothing. < 1443927764 193382 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Colorful pictures are text, what a language < 1443927779 52011 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is no "text words" meaning anything; the answer is not yes and no! < 1443927779 237138 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if MtG symbols will ever make it into Unicode < 1443927818 84388 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably not, but that's OK you don't have to use Unicode, or even if you do you can use the private use area. < 1443927843 802934 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would want METAFONT programs to make the MtG symbols < 1443927855 775801 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think most MtG symbols already have Unicode characters you could use for them. < 1443927878 447389 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1443927916 408390 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want to make substitute, then yes probably you can. < 1443927963 296697 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :The white mana symbol is U+2600 BLACK SUN WITH RAYS, the blue mana symbol is U+1F4A7 DROPLET... < 1443928082 594193 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see a Unicode character that's just a skull, but there's a skull and crossbones. There are at least two tree symbols, but I don't know if either one is appropriate. < 1443928146 484024 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :At one point I found substitutes for each MTG symbol. < 1443928157 114019 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least, ones that rendered well in Google Hangouts. < 1443928517 196504 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :That emblem I came up with gave me a stupid idea. < 1443928760 255518 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-164-249.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1443928788 660294 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-164-249.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1443928939 793147 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Variant: Nobody can win and nobody can lose except via the following mechanism. Once 30 spells named Runeclaw Bear controlled by a player have resolved, that player wins. < 1443929035 440199 :zadock!~outsider@81.180.210.219 JOIN :#esoteric < 1443929064 144756 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, make that Omega Myr instead of Runeclaw Bear. < 1443929626 348839 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Google didn't index the logs with "transconic" yet < 1443929762 500497 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have once had the idea of the card it is a creature card but when it comes into play it becomes an instant in addition to its other types. It was also given phasing, which in the rules current at the time that was made would cause it to remain phased out forever but in the next version it can phase in normally. < 1443930495 448230 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1443931119 60825 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's see other kind of Magic: the Gathering card to make up < 1443931170 763439 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric : Banding ;; {3}: ~ comes into play with a +1/+1 counter on it. Use this ability only during your upkeep and only if ~ is in your graveyard with exactly 1 card above it. < 1443931206 58247 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The graveyard shouldn't be an ordered zone. < 1443931209 853346 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's scow to keep track of. < 1443931313 842240 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like it to be, though. (Some other cards already do anyways, and I have also made some other cards that do) < 1443931729 274921 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :In otherwords, that would be "Put ~ from your graveyard onto the battlefield with a +1/+1 counter on it"? < 1443931932 44434 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1443932192 834557 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Panglacial Wurm can be cast while searching your library, which mean you can activate mana abilities during that time; I want to see what kind of stuff can therefore be done with this. < 1443932451 169505 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: how it it hard to keep track of, if you have physical cards? < 1443932471 619934 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It means you can't reorder them. < 1443932484 654540 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would you want to? < 1443932494 92690 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You often look through the graveyard and so on. < 1443932524 435027 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some cards can be used from the graveyard and most can't. So you might want to move those to the top. < 1443932558 985024 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should make all card with effect in the graveyard (unless the effect works only if it is on top) to be placed in the pile to stick out a bit so that you can find them. It is important if there is a triggered ability on one of them, regardless of whether or not the order matters. < 1443933371 771991 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you know Patrick Stein invented negative length lists? < 1443933413 132388 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madness ability can have some uses even in the case that you are unable to pay the madness cost. < 1443933423 721703 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesthiswork: No. How does this work? < 1443933467 646388 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://nklein.com/2012/02/the-anti-cons/ < 1443933496 297002 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :each thing you cons onto the list removes one anti-cons from it < 1443933522 207328 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds like a free group? < 1443933541 101608 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you would have to cons the same thing that you anti-cons to get that. < 1443933893 342959 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1443934170 990364 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would make it less polymorphic and less useful if it was a free group < 1443934223 593246 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :although maybe could retain the usefulness by having anti-cons return a value that later resolves into the consed value < 1443934238 134649 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Less polymorphic why? < 1443934257 332669 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess in their version there's only one anti-cons, rather than being able to anti-cons anything onto the list? < 1443934260 396212 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's pretty strange. < 1443934550 964425 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because instead of being able to dissolve any value consed onto the list, a matching anti-cons would only be able to dissolve a single value. < 1443934732 672489 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, like a free group. < 1443934743 506049 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems that anti-cons should obviously be symmetric with cons. < 1443935249 782126 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but is also tempting to combine it with 'pop' < 1443935632 45571 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@li611-52.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1443936121 52812 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there are cases in Magic: the Gathering where a mana ability will end up not producing any mana, and which can still be used during a mana step or if a spell with split-second is on the stack. < 1443936175 400736 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like the way "mana ability" is defined. < 1443936177 595557 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's too vague. < 1443936349 983884 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is a bit vague, which is why I wanted a mathematical definition of the game as a literate computer program. < 1443936407 816269 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is Reflecting Pool's ability a mana ability if you control no other lands? < 1443936424 391062 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the answer was yes, because it "could" produce mana in some sense. But I don't like that sense much. < 1443936525 334144 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, I'm mixing up two different objections I have now, I think. < 1443936531 367022 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, rule 605.2 means that, it seems, or at least is supposed to < 1443936570 210558 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, right. < 1443936674 462716 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still it might be useful for a computer code to support properties such as :activated-mana-ability and :triggered-mana-ability, or to use macros to implement it (or both). < 1443937270 589172 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1443938513 886235 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a "Dead Reckoning Magic: the Puzzling"? Unlike chess, Magic: the Gathering has incomplete information (past, present, and future), so may be more difficult to define. But, other kind of retro puzzles can be possible to do < 1443938757 205675 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1443938874 181291 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I saw an unusual Chess: The Puzzling the other day. < 1443938877 789755 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hebdenbridgechessclub.blogspot.com/2011/02/hardest-chess-problem-in-world.html < 1443938975 200075 :bender!~benderx2@2404:e800:e61a:41d:f528:a378:2fad:1277 JOIN :#esoteric < 1443938975 418337 :bender!~benderx2@2404:e800:e61a:41d:f528:a378:2fad:1277 QUIT :Changing host < 1443938975 418384 :bender!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 JOIN :#esoteric < 1443939023 359928 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have seen that one; it is based on old rules. Knowing how the old rules differ from the current rules, I can easily figure it out. < 1443939047 338806 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1443939158 857430 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know any good Haskell: The Puzzlings? < 1443939173 75082 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how to play "Haskell: The Puzzling" < 1443939195 799341 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But also one idea would be a Magic: the Puzzling where the solution is almost completely different in one version of the rules than with a different version (preferably the immediately previous version, if possible) < 1443939233 800405 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how to play Magic: The Puzzling either. < 1443939243 143234 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you need a book for that, and I don't have the book. < 1443939395 960984 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You do not necessarily need a book; you can also find some on computer. < 1443939613 511508 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there positions in Magic: the Gathering for which it is impossible to decide whether or not they are legal? < 1443939752 657105 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is a "position"? and isn't the only way to be impossible to decide for it to need infinitely long to get there? < 1443939770 219479 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1443939841 534579 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I suspect not. To my knowledge the set of game states in Magic is countable, as well as the set of legal actions from any given game state. < 1443939854 817356 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and, additionally, the set of *initial* game states is countable) < 1443939863 290836 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"countable" isn't enough. < 1443939880 783084 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Presumably there are "garden of eden" positions? < 1443939941 578667 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, right, the set of game actions from a given game state need be not just countable, but demonstrably knowable. < 1443939962 26089 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which I *think* is the case, but is... not something I'd just boldly assert. < 1443939983 75180 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure why actions are directly relevant here. The question is whether a position is legal in the first place. < 1443939990 701731 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if there is something really strange that causes it not to be knowable. < 1443940000 796985 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: A certain individual is quite sauzzled right now. < 1443940014 410209 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm getting a lot of messages. < 1443940016 82438 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A position is legal if you reached it via a legal action from another legal position. < 1443940026 728411 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, is that what it means? < 1443940044 979529 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK. < 1443940070 533491 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Near as I can tell -- I don't recall game states *themselves* having any formal legality in Magic, but the actions themselves do. < 1443940082 404721 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. the rules govern the state transitions, not really the state. < 1443940125 216317 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :correct < 1443940142 696071 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :mtg is pretty popular. i'm still astounded. < 1443940158 775893 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I play the new set? < 1443940162 771 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :BFZ < 1443940173 976488 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There may be a jam brewing. < 1443940181 301795 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Borel-Frankel-Zermelo < 1443940202 240470 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :or probably Bernays < 1443940243 562608 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :béarnaise < 1443940328 653874 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't each turing complete system has its own halting problem? < 1443940334 643841 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it possible to construct a position that you can win if and only if the number of counters added to some particular object is a prime number? < 1443940348 402194 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: you mean even if you add halting oracles? < 1443940353 228013 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. I'm not sure. < 1443940382 513002 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I assume you mean "without creating a new card for exactly that purpose" of course. < 1443940395 48552 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: you mean if and only if it is any prime number? < 1443940396 198988 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's otherwise an uninteresting question. :)) < 1443940406 682091 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: that too, but if mtg is turing complete, shouldn't it have a halting problem.and therefore an undecidavle state? < 1443940426 490357 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course it does < 1443940443 906116 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, if any prime number < 1443940454 228271 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there is such a state < 1443940465 353565 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: Only in terms of whether or not the execution of that state halts. < 1443940471 660990 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I mean using existing non-Un cards and standard rules that are at least as recent as the most recent card used < 1443940490 742490 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :mtg is tc because someone has devised a utm for it. one could construct a game state such that that utm is running a tm which it is impossible to decide whether it halts < 1443940491 538055 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The legality of said state is a fairly different question than whether or not said state halts. < 1443940550 748485 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(legality is a question of how the state was reached, not what can be reached from the state) < 1443940583 887028 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah i just now saw zzo's question < 1443940597 130621 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how so? assume you get a state that decides wether it halts or not, how do you proove it's legal? < 1443940623 658479 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is no such state < 1443940647 439699 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :my guess would be "yes", on account of the halting problem when one runs the game in reverse. (assuming that mtg is also tc in reverse.) < 1443940671 390558 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: Whether or not the state can be reached from some other legal state is what you need to prove. I'm not sure if this is actually possible for all arbitrary states. < 1443940701 765026 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it is certainly a very different question than whether or not a state halts. < 1443940731 590420 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :couldn't you declare the state you are innas halting? < 1443940761 803146 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: Then the question is "does there exist a TM that halts", not "does this TM halt". < 1443940784 986077 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think. < 1443940803 150640 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. assume a state that decides wether or not you can reach this exact state < 1443940873 518464 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: let's suppose that one can construct an NTM based on running the rules of mtg in reverse. like if a card says "play this card in blah situation" instead, you can take it into your hand in that situation. if this is tc, then the legality question has an undecidable state. < 1443940875 737218 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, let's go with "does there exist an input tape such that this TM halts", which... is a rephrasing of the halting problem. < 1443940931 893398 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hum, yes, there must exist some state wherein it is not decidable if it is reachable. < 1443940934 676636 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the original was "does this TM halt for all inputs", no? < 1443940948 65137 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, so it was. < 1443940963 231260 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"For some input" might actually be decidable? I doubt it though < 1443940969 644505 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1443940975 455624 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing is decidable. < 1443940982 943150 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, no, it's proven that the more specific statement is definitely not decidable. < 1443940989 520821 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is a superset of "does this tm.halts for a given input" < 1443940994 273037 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lots of trivial tings are decidable.. just the nontrivial stuff is all undecidable :) < 1443941047 138541 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :For instance, it's entirely decidable to determine if a given C program in a given C environment halts. < 1443941057 22019 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not very practical, but definitely decidable. < 1443941064 968388 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how so? < 1443941076 423966 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :C is LBA < 1443941081 64753 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1443941166 933776 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: it is? < 1443941169 256510 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1443941170 135680 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: let M be "given M', decide if M' halts on some input." Define N to be "Given N', let N'' be 'Run each possible input on N' in parallel and halt if any of them do' and then run M on N''". Then N decides the HP. < 1443941180 209113 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham: yes, bounded memory < 1443941198 623924 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep. C defines a system with a large but very definitely bounded state. < 1443941204 119547 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depends on whether you allow certain file I/O. < 1443941205 755861 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, FSM < 1443941217 140801 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't strictly define what those bounds may be, but does define that those bounds exist. < 1443941232 642117 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fuck < 1443941239 98746 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: You can only really get past it with sockets. < 1443941250 761786 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can do relative seeks in files. < 1443941252 823570 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Without sockets, well, the filesystem is *also* bounded. < 1443941259 716609 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa whoa whoa < 1443941266 778751 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think the C spec defines anything about that. < 1443941274 461825 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham: no, it's far stronger than a FSM < 1443941274 652906 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The file API can go to all sorts of things. < 1443941282 530728 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: finite filename length, finite file length < 1443941284 146342 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck non-POSIX C. < 1443941289 636691 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: how so? < 1443941291 581231 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Finite file length? < 1443941306 449401 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: your entire system can be encoded into a large FSM < 1443941322 253481 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham: oh, misread as DFA, sorry < 1443941333 922538 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, ISO C does still require bounded file length: fgetpos and fsetpos are ISO C. < 1443941339 749079 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ < 1443941347 842994 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :DFA is just as powerful as an non-dterministic FSM < 1443941357 758989 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which means any given file position must fit within memory. < 1443941363 196951 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And is thus bounded. < 1443941380 334330 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: what is fgetpos on stdin? < 1443941381 779642 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :likewise for file names, they must fit into memory < 1443941394 244953 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham: EBADF. < 1443941436 743336 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well okay, there's three unbounded things in C: stdin, stdout, and stderr. < 1443941444 400799 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least POSIX allows it to fail because it doesn't fit in an fpos_t? < 1443941456 208523 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :at any rate, you're not going to compute halting property of a real C program on a real machine < 1443941462 399231 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: But POSIX requires it to fit in an off_t. :) < 1443941469 224156 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think so. < 1443941469 755839 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there are probably some ultrafinitists that would put up fists over that assertion ;-) < 1443941471 318598 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it doesn't fit in an off_t *the open fails*. < 1443941496 474013 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I looked it up once and POSIX C allows it to be too big. < 1443941503 434657 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :all programs will eventually halt when the computer running them is sucked into a black hole < 1443941528 941535 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember the details. < 1443941534 803749 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe http://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/009695399/functions/ftell.html < 1443941538 809385 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham: Well, sure you can. Run two parallel simulations. Run one of them at twice the speed of the other. If the two states ever equal each other, it doesn't halt. If it halts, it halts. < 1443941541 243986 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :EOVERFLOW < 1443941583 321115 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: that is not a terminating program that answers the halting problem :) < 1443941600 955086 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham: As the number of states is bounded, it will always terminate. < 1443941604 26449 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: that could fail if the repeatition has even period < 1443941611 663068 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :printf("it will halt"); < 1443941623 759531 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :*repetition < 1443941627 167016 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that solves it because all real programs halt < 1443941641 488275 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: count the size of the state space, run that many steps < 1443941647 700224 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're not done, return "doesn't halt" < 1443941659 494531 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: that also works < 1443941661 244032 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the busy beaver trick < 1443941676 870299 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: That'll work, too. < 1443941762 36638 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1443941789 740117 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm there should be a variant of BF where all programs begin with a header giving the number of cells and the bounds of each cell < 1443941834 581316 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus making it subturing < 1443941876 599 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a programming language that guarantees that all programs halt? < 1443941890 559281 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Add in something to specify the IO rules and you'll have come up with a practical means of accepting all BF programs with only trivial modifications. :) < 1443941899 866669 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: hq9 < 1443941994 285375 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :#!bf -c100 -v0-255 -lf < 1443942026 923482 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like that could work < 1443942070 509103 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: agda? (do you count productive coinduction?) < 1443942156 7221 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`coins < 1443942158 365033 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​02adheidcoin 06gotomcoin 13gnatiocoin 04cellcoin 07icacoin 08etamcoin 09mammarkcoin 02m-codcoin 06midcoin 13barcoin 04smitafncoin 07sing-boomcoin 08pugoddbcoin 09bubandcoin 02diiccoin 06quylcoin 13codecoin 04brimcoin 07sivecoin 08hersetcoin < 1443942163 510713 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are there any high perf bf jits that will recover high level integer operations? < 1443942292 285244 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1443943003 640290 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :bubandcoin sounds wonderful < 1443943145 685128 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org QUIT :Quit: ZNC 1.6.1 - http://znc.in < 1443943302 739055 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1443944343 564756 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG 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:boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1443966057 267961 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1443966969 393885 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1443968090 443617 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1443969484 420227 :bender!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 QUIT :Quit: [In order to stop people from openly defecating after drinking too much vodka, the Russian government decided to provide free poo-tins.] < 1443969609 528281 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/coins < 1443969610 409723 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :words ${1---eng-1M --esolangs 20} | sed -re 's/( |$)/coin\1/g' | rainwords < 1443969748 394827 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo ${1---eng-1M --esolangs 20} < 1443969749 333483 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​--eng-1M --esolangs 20 < 1443969771 862860 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run words --eng-1M --esolangs 20 < 1443969773 929890 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :memboja cli sot pain ofc rna iincalake recunt reved enever2 enta magist anazranm tam bam squ toelter revertrit trantum pine < 1443969784 811564 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :paincoin < 1443969801 68697 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/words < 1443969801 898040 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/usr/bin/perl \ use strict; use warnings; \ use v5.10; \ use open qw( :encoding(UTF-8) :std); \ use File::Basename 'dirname'; \ use Storable 'retrieve'; \ use List::Util qw(sum min); \ use Getopt::Long qw(:config gnu_getopt); \ BEGIN { \ eval { \ require Math::Random::MT::Perl; Math::Random::MT::Perl->import('rand'); \ }; \ #wa < 1443969933 443899 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1443969978 360311 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswellott. < 1443969999 973894 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`coins --french < 1443970001 973239 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​13bayncoin < 1443970010 402516 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`coins --french 20 < 1443970011 950395 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​06boucatcoin 13rgildeecoin 04chécoin 07iiecoin 08delhscoin 09ruitcoin 02grimity'scoin 06martiquecoin 13argétèrcoin 04mésotencoin 07boranifiecoin 08préciamcoin 09attelumescoin 02caiendcoin 06ajustetencoin 13greecoin 04regemcoin 07ocatissairecoin 08rangiquicoin 09nidcoin < 1443970016 958600 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that like bacon? < 1443970018 720015 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :bacoin < 1443970020 225894 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1443970033 577947 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`coins < 1443970035 584503 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​041mprelainskingcoin 07axocoin 08sagringpuzzlecoin 09outcoin 02vestciendcoin 06pathcoin 13wheredcoin 04pucedcoin 07keecoin 08phabismcoin 09binarycoin 02noilogcoin 06ialcoin 13entcoin 04trudewacoin 07jentroncoin 08dzimmicoin 09purcoin 02bakcurrownicensilaincoin 06cuddlequecoin < 1443970051 941895 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :binarycoin! < 1443970058 735591 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bakcurrownicensilaincoin! < 1443970059 9418 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :entcoin < 1443970069 646784 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jhellonas. < 1443970078 401328 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :cuddlequicoin is nice < 1443970083 575640 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :cuddle-que-coin < 1443970174 123799 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :le cuddle qui cointe. < 1443970373 721378 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom coin < 1443970374 737661 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :find: `wisdom/*coin*': No such file or directory \ /cat: : No such file or directory < 1443970380 791353 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? coind < 1443970381 457980 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coind? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1443970385 538020 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? coin < 1443970386 214343 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coin? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1443971740 992020 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: LASCIVIOUS CHICKEN < 1443971912 451830 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1443972116 984433 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal JOIN :#esoteric < 1443972563 971052 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Given five distinct points on the plane, is there always exactly one conic section which passes through all of them? < 1443972621 424891 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, the answer is no if they're collinear. < 1443972633 165380 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :All right, five distinct noncollinear points. < 1443972649 793837 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( Coincidence is a contraction of coin-incidence, referring to the event of a coin hitting a flat surface with random result. ) < 1443972852 563922 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: a line is also a conic section < 1443972864 714186 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you cut the cone along a tangent to one of the sloping sides < 1443972870 137878 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's not normally thought of as one, but it is) < 1443972879 669267 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but there are multiple conic sections passing through five collinear points. < 1443972918 350759 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :A pair of lines is a conic section. < 1443973528 994457 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1443973987 216223 :glowcoil!sid3405@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ftvwoeszsmokzksb JOIN :#esoteric < 1443974043 206153 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1443974164 81191 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably all the points have to be distinct, too? < 1443974182 902978 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1443974224 18057 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, I think you can find an ellipse and parabola that intersect in five points < 1443974244 64828 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that aren't coanything (although would have a line of symmetry) < 1443974625 358916 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1443974744 696922 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no you can't. < 1443974884 316672 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :For five points in the (real or complex Euclidean) plane, no two coinciding and no four collinear, there's exactly one conic section incident on all five; if also no three of the points are collinear, then that conic section is not degenerate (not two lines, but a hyperbola or parabola or ellipse, counting a circle as an ellipse). < 1443974957 469137 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha, ofc if you have four colinear (and the fifth not on the line) < 1443974980 726307 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could take an arbitrary line through the fifth < 1443974987 21364 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes. < 1443975003 992116 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and note that any line intersects a non-degenerate conic in at most two points. < 1443975103 867882 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1443975136 428350 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The situation is much more difficult if you're looking for conics incident on four points and touching a line, in which case in the generic case (and I won't tell what that means now) there can be exactly zero or exactly two conics matching them, but I don't know a book or article that explicitly claims this; < 1443975186 73237 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I should try to ask a three-parter question on MathOverflow asking for a reference about (a) one line and four points, general case, (b) one line and four points, all cases, (c) two lines and three points, in which case I don't even know what's the answer I expect. < 1443975201 368323 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might have to make it two separate questions, I'll have to think it over. < 1443975225 199996 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, the Hajós book does explain the five point in a plane case completely. < 1443975418 66241 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode 露漫 < 1443975418 994497 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+9732 CJK UNIFIED IDEOGRAPH-9732] [U+6F2B CJK UNIFIED IDEOGRAPH-6F2B] < 1443975604 359335 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1443975806 115076 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1443975877 591864 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have expressed my annoyance at the Unicode Foundation's method of naming chinese characters before < 1443976018 237053 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: you shouldn't care about the _name_ of the character, because that's not the important part. some names are bad, and about three even have obvious typos that can't be changed now. < 1443976063 239282 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode 露 < 1443976064 513933 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+9732 CJK UNIFIED IDEOGRAPH-9732 \ UTF-8: e9 9c b2 UTF-16BE: 9732 Decimal: 露 \ 露 (露) \ Uppercase: U+9732 \ Category: Lo (Letter, Other) \ Bidi: L (Left-to-Right) < 1443976090 336347 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :RRgh. why does the word "dew" appear nowhere here?! < 1443976099 659347 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: also, when China and Taiwan can be involved, then the naming could be a political issue. < 1443976110 318335 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what the damn character means < 1443976134 708987 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: then you look that up in a dictionary. online or paper, whatever. < 1443976160 377857 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that reminds me < 1443976190 186100 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the unicode encoding for the fixed-width space used after the en-dash at the start of a line when it indicates a dialog line, typically in languages other than English? < 1443976214 193229 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1443976253 153664 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but they had no problem naming ㊧ < 1443976263 185123 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ㊧ < 1443976263 899195 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode ㊧ < 1443976264 307136 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+32A7 CIRCLED IDEOGRAPH LEFT] < 1443976265 332345 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+32A7 CIRCLED IDEOGRAPH LEFT \ UTF-8: e3 8a a7 UTF-16BE: 32a7 Decimal: ㊧ \ ㊧ \ Category: So (Symbol, Other) \ Bidi: L (Left-to-Right) \ Decomposition: 5DE6 < 1443976289 50018 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: or BELL or all the other crazy dingbats and smiley faces < 1443976323 999580 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so why isnt 左 CJK IDEOGRAPH LEFT!?!?!? < 1443976418 261654 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: because then the next Chinese communist leader who happens to have that hanzi in their wife's name or whatever will complain that her wife isn't left and that this is a personal insult and that the unicode consortium must immediately pay him a zillion dollars or else he will take out his vengeance with atomic missiles < 1443976475 881783 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1443976517 113790 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no really < 1443976519 834806 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the names aren't important < 1443976528 274180 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :not important enough to get insulted over, at least < 1443976623 422830 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no seriously, what's the unicode encoding of a fixed with space \hbox{ } ? surely there is such a character, I just don't know which one < 1443976646 90104 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1443976768 547699 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm I can't find any character like that < 1443976790 311371 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: it's non-breaking space, it's in latin-1 < 1443976796 873329 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might even be able to type it < 1443976800 106770 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no. non-breaking space isn't fixed with < 1443976804 736983 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode   < 1443976805 498060 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+00A0 NO-BREAK SPACE] < 1443976807 829966 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the same width as a normal space < 1443976812 460280 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :surely < 1443976820 587833 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: exactly, but it also stretches and shrinks like a normal space < 1443976829 141299 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :non-breaking space is what ~ types in plain TeX < 1443976834 320289 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, hmm < 1443976839 928943 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what I want is \hbox{ } , a space that doesn't shrink or stretch < 1443976843 657547 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if it makes sense for such a thing to be in Unicode < 1443976846 39533 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can call it \hbox{\ } too, doesn't matter < 1443976853 238344 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I'm not sure Unicode has specific behaviour for justified text < 1443976869 796628 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe the en quad or the em quad? < 1443976873 219969 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: why not? just because it is there doesn't mean everyone has to use it. it'd just be a character you may use to represent that behaviour if you want. < 1443976882 122073 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: no, those are not the right width < 1443976903 81863 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: this one is exactly the width of a normal space in the font < 1443976925 335754 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the quads are also fixed with, but often larger < 1443976944 894336 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas things like bigskip are proportional, right? < 1443976964 109905 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's also 3 per em 4 per em and 6 per em spaces < 1443976968 420088 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I don't know what bigskip is. < 1443976978 705437 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: it's a vertical spacing directive < 1443976994 471019 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure of the exact semantics < 1443977013 278425 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course in my font these all have visible glyphs < 1443977044 652387 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because oren is an asshole to typesetters < 1443977247 630351 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: note for example that (the plain TeX) \, (thin math space) and \quad doesn't shrink or stretch, \ has the size and shrinks or stretches exactly like a normal space that's not after punctuation, \> is just like the math space around an infix operator and can shrink to almost nothing, and \; is like the space around an equation sign and is not much wider but doesn't shrink at all. < 1443977270 861784 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ok, not quite shrinks to nothing, \> actually shrinks to half its normal size) < 1443977436 39516 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :            < 1443977464 249769 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are 10 different spaces on the previous line < 1443977477 276069 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07LOLCODE14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44591&oldid=44360 5* 0373.51.84.54 5* (-101) 10/* Keywords */ rm duplicate PRODUKT < 1443977501 955733 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: don't forget   < 1443977512 747182 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah there is that too < 1443977520 39066 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I think there's more < 1443977532 106593 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there's a unicode property somewher < 1443977548 454563 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I should look among spaces marked by that property < 1443977549 194686 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you use my font you can see and recognise them all < 1443977992 875247 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Quit: dinner < 1443978705 95154 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1443978779 565002 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :phantom_helloover! < 1443978909 288922 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1443979190 136477 :atrapado!~atrapado@unaffiliated/atrapado JOIN :#esoteric < 1443979787 159558 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've uploaded a new otf. ⴀⴁⴂⴃⴄⴅⴆⴇⴈⴉⴊⴋⴌⴍⴎⴏⴐⴑⴒⴓⴔⴕⴖⴗⴘⴙⴚⴛⴜⴝⴞⴟⴠⴡⴢfffiflffifflſtst〄〆〇〈〉《》【】〒〓〔〕〖〗〘〙〚〛￠￡￢￣￤￥￦因団固園圧坂堂場塩士声売変夏夕外多夜夢好並享亭他仮仰仲露漫 < 1443980011 607744 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: what did I do wrong? it doesn't show up again < 1443980018 956346 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :reload a few time < 1443980034 180137 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think AWS is caching the .css again < 1443980049 13564 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: I think it's that otf conversion thing again, because I don't even see the old font < 1443980052 809139 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see only some fallback font < 1443980055 216772 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno < 1443980072 616389 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: the image version also seems to be very old < 1443980095 681619 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you look at the javascript console for any css errors < 1443980109 865066 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: even if it caches, when I shift-reload, the browser is sending those http header thingies that tell the cache to refresh it. < 1443980123 441615 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least it's supposed to < 1443980156 57284 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: it says "Failed to load resource: the server responded with a status of 403 (Forbidden)" < 1443980186 317442 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: and it says neolettersK.otf gives the 403 < 1443980187 149294 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1443980192 4273 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck hold on < 1443980234 779092 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION chmod +r /var/www/html/*
< 1443980242 471127 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there now it should work < 1443980267 712140 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh! can I load your secret passwords file too then? < 1443980273 772020 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, the font loads now < 1443980291 676638 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the image version is still wrong < 1443980300 183284 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah I don't keep passwords in the www directory < 1443980323 16736 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: the first two lines show up wrong though, probably because the browser is making the lines bigger because of the underlines < 1443980332 447630 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: could you perhaps change the CSS to remove the underlines from the links? < 1443980345 207798 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't want underlines to this font anyway < 1443980376 684392 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do I do that? < 1443980392 935276 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a {underline:none?} < 1443980399 661649 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: no, < 1443980414 376428 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's :link, :visited { what you said above } < 1443980474 414637 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/selector.html#link-pseudo-classes < 1443980491 993438 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I don't think it's underline:none either < 1443980500 558687 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's text-decoration: none < 1443980572 422985 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :k, done < 1443980575 383635 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: :link, :visited { text-decoration: none } /* I hope */ < 1443980587 931729 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, with a semicolon after none for good measure < 1443980603 503950 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: hmm, it still doesn't look good < 1443980606 999003 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno why though < 1443980613 587351 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm wait < 1443980628 874379 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, definitely doesn't look good < 1443980644 499925 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid browser < 1443980680 682975 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i updated the image so you can see how it looks on my compy < 1443980688 962301 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: anyway, now you have 〇 twice in the sample < 1443980697 189210 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the CJK punctuation and in the hanzi group < 1443980738 409722 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: I think at this point it's probably a browser stupidity, but removing the underline is probably a good idea anyway if you want to leave that text in your font < 1443980753 866005 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :〇ops. < 1443980788 185152 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see you've added more kanji/hanzi < 1443980836 784057 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1443980861 280360 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, there seems to be something wrong though < 1443980868 796782 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a character that's not in your font, but in the sample < 1443980887 35409 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :夢 < 1443980901 184604 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least that's how it shows up in my browser < 1443980914 110582 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you check on that? it's in the last line of hanzi in the samples < 1443980924 542504 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, yeah your right < 1443981037 329042 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. I put the glyph on the wrong charater < 1443981469 951820 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1443981920 148937 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1443981987 784824 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiboily < 1443982004 560094 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\helloren\! < 1443982008 458412 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :iadded 露 and 漫 < 1443982010 892552 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you added the characters! < 1443982016 303148 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what I was checking ^^ < 1443982157 698375 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :next, could you please add, at your leisure, 羅針饂飩 and 檎? < 1443982170 203257 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but take your time. these are becoming silly.) < 1443982214 549139 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: um, how are you chosing these particular characters? < 1443982275 945420 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :strokeful characters :D < 1443982297 176100 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1443982306 592233 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you are just choosing characters that are hard to draw? < 1443982331 840844 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mainly kanji versions of common words that are usually written in kana. < 1443982349 67245 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and yes, perverse admiration for high stroke counts.) < 1443982373 638491 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shouldn't the font contain kanji that are actually commonl? < 1443982390 926339 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, whatever < 1443982406 224232 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: did you add any of the mirrored or vertical alternate glyphs for the variable characters? < 1443982537 639764 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: At some point I'll figure out how to do alternate glyphs, either that or just make a script that produces a rotated version the font. < 1443982589 709139 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: um, just rotating isn't enough, you may have to shift when you rotate or mirror, and you as a font designer have to decide the shift amount that looks good < 1443982599 152343 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you might even want to change more pixels when you rotate < 1443982678 784991 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :♪ ro ro, rotate your font ♪ < 1443982880 715331 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07LOLCODE14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44592&oldid=44591 5* 0373.51.84.54 5* (+34) 10/* Keywords */ added tags around pipe characters in comment of loop keyword, to prevent them being interpreted as part of the wikitable and not displaying part of the text. < 1443982993 722319 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1443983351 446239 :MDude!~fyrc@c-73-175-58-23.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1443983465 586169 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellỗếrjan < 1443983580 777573 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :orevening i'm not even going to try those accents < 1443984025 950776 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH JOIN :#esoteric < 1443985587 284945 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does Unicode have spaces of different widths? < 1443985600 889586 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: which ones in particular? < 1443985627 800845 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has them because they're useful < 1443985654 420789 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, I can write three-digit-grouped numbers with thin spaces like 3 000 000 < 1443985678 616695 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, how about the three-per-em space. Why does it have that one? < 1443985689 511308 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno, someone probably uses that for something < 1443985693 555342 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know about each of them < 1443985731 414720 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know the thin space and the quad (en space) and the qquad (em space) and the figure space is useful < 1443985755 139596 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'd like the fixed-normal-width non-breaking space < 1443985777 214791 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't know if there's such a character < 1443985893 286304 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe JOIN :#esoteric < 1443986761 364150 :fizzie`!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie JOIN :#esoteric < 1443986817 901240 :coppro_!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1443986898 63582 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION gives up listening to that podcast about darths & droids for the second time
< 1443986903 426568 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1443986931 109000 :mysanthrop!~myname@84.200.43.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1443986948 253124 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :goddammit hosts, learn to focus < 1443987044 697989 :Alcest!~alcest@93.186.169.30 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1443987046 408548 :APic!apic@apic.name QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1443987082 566477 :APic!apic@apic.name JOIN :#esoteric < 1443987143 648595 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1443987144 110704 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1443987150 828580 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1443987151 7123 :mtve!~mtve@10130.x.rootbsd.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1443987155 668376 :mysanthrop!~myname@84.200.43.57 NICK :myname < 1443987218 344236 :Alcest_!~alcest@93.186.169.30 JOIN :#esoteric < 1443987314 115400 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1443987334 68768 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? porthello < 1443987335 41747 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :porthello? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1443987344 554408 :zadock!~outsider@81.180.210.219 JOIN :#esoteric < 1443987353 348013 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? portmanteau < 1443987354 302340 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :portmanteau? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1443987415 490104 :atrapado!~atrapado@unaffiliated/atrapado QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1443987651 456781 :fizzie`!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`thanks portmanteau < 1443987652 452719 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, portmanteau. Thortmanteau. < 1443987745 86704 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wow < 1443987860 27676 :fizzie`!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Achievement unlocked: rode the Tramlink: https://googledrive.com/host/0B4J9OAzXNfZAOXVEeDV1cXRTUXM < 1443987886 233566 :fizzie`!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was more trainy than the trams I'm used to. < 1443987897 3506 :fizzie`!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't even run on normal streets. < 1443987900 796033 :fizzie`!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie NICK :fizzie < 1443987968 859348 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@86.89.119.147 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1443988122 514954 :Alcest_!~alcest@93.186.169.30 NICK :Alcest < 1443988288 828279 :zadock!~outsider@81.180.210.219 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1443989105 869231 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` paste "$(type -p thanks)" < 1443989107 23376 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/bin/thanks < 1443989154 260591 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^show thanks < 1443989154 441506 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :>2,[>,]+15[>+6>+7>+3>+2<4-]>-6.>-.-7.+13.-3.+8.>-.>+2.<5[<]>[.>]>3+2.>.<3.<2[<]>[[-<2+>+>]+<-97[-4[-4[-6[-6[-4[>-<[-]]]]]]]>[[>]>2-11.<3[<]<.>3[.>]>3.>5][-]>]<3[[<]>2[.>]>5.>2] < 1443989168 265376 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Time for a random accuracy spot-check. < 1443989172 341480 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^thanks portmanteau < 1443989172 519462 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, portmanteau. Thortmanteau. < 1443989176 978662 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pass. < 1443989195 445135 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does ^show do? < 1443989205 775296 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^thanks < 1443989205 953581 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, . T < 1443989211 666412 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`thanks < 1443989213 538615 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, com. Thom. < 1443989217 275698 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: No fair, corner cases. < 1443989224 234877 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mouah ah ah. < 1443989224 648438 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: Shows the source code of a fungot ^command, if it's not a built-in. < 1443989224 827174 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: maybe a good idea. i never knew it happened some 40 seconds ago. < 1443989337 471553 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :^Thanks Thor < 1443989342 656779 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :^thanks Thor < 1443989342 835003 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, Thor. Thor. < 1443989384 186415 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :^thanks hanks < 1443989384 364638 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, hanks. Thanks. < 1443989404 797122 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^thanks thanks < 1443989405 15134 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, thanks. Thanks. < 1443989412 877549 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Stop repeating yoursellf. < 1443989413 55521 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: they are sorted in a list < 1443989446 203629 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bless fungot < 1443989453 569030 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1443989557 240948 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :^thanks fungot < 1443989557 419102 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, fungot. Thungot. < 1443989627 246168 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^thanks ABCDEF < 1443989627 424312 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, ABCDEF. TBCDEF. < 1443989678 335865 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^botsnack < 1443989678 514052 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh nom nom nom! < 1443989998 63150 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think case-insensitivity is also one differentiating feature, I didn't bother adding it. < 1443990012 258418 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`thanks ABCDEF < 1443990013 171566 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, ABCDEF. ThABCDEF. < 1443990084 917598 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`thanks àèìòù < 1443990085 975736 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, àèìòù. Tèìòù. < 1443990095 713974 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^thanks àèìòù < 1443990095 892022 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, àèìòù. T�èìòù. < 1443990116 460327 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`thanks aaaaa < 1443990117 394543 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, aaaaa. Thaaaaa. < 1443990123 999257 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^thanks aaaaa < 1443990124 177344 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, aaaaa. Thaaaaa. < 1443990145 859843 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`thanks bbbbb < 1443990146 617040 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, bbbbb. Tbbbb. < 1443990152 856633 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^thanks bbbbb < 1443990153 34829 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, bbbbb. Tbbbb. < 1443990163 655675 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :good enough. < 1443990166 668305 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION pats fungot
< 1443990166 846337 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: are you using < 1443990172 902279 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: my right hand < 1443990173 90498 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: question not directed directly to forcer, anyone can make it in < 1443990182 627268 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :guys! anybody can pat fungot! < 1443990182 825420 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i'll modify the core to split up .po files at some point today. all three of them < 1443990269 623871 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1443990336 650107 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: You've been internationalized? < 1443990336 828061 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: oh, sorry, i don't < 1443990368 909012 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :internationalizing fungot < 1443990369 87147 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: wouldn't want to buy something. it wasn't supposed to be optimized into a nop. < 1443990385 872515 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, what universe does that bot live in < 1443990413 721578 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :aanyway, internationalizing fungot sounds like a great way to go mad < 1443990427 77280 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512028.dsl.bell.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1443990427 294568 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: ( ...although that first one more like non-real-time pacman) evaluate the lambda expressions are hard to reason about a program running between irc and the unix 10 convention, and mid and res due to it checking k just before < 1443990667 745578 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: why? fungot's code is very simple and easy to follow. < 1443990668 96264 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: watch out for hot surfaces, not implicit ones. fnord are quite nice. then my old transmeta laptop might be an i/ o bound to the resulting brainfuck code. < 1443990691 720341 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :simple and easy to follow befunge? Is that possible? < 1443990698 646126 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: you know I like your hot surfaces. < 1443990698 884388 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: is anyone here familiar with chef? xd a 2d fnord games somewhat easily < 1443990732 591741 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: you start from the begining, until you reach the end, and then you stop. < 1443991142 623066 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : aanyway, internationalizing fungot sounds like a great way to go mad <-- i say we get b_jonas to make a corpus out of those hungarian poems he mentioned a while ago. < 1443991142 903039 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: by me. he felt that he is a sleep specialist after all. :) :(. i hate e-mailing strangers out of the core macro system make it much easier < 1443991421 257260 :gde33!kvirc@546A0B75.cm-12-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1443991759 60470 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1443992180 907756 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hate e-mailing strangers out of the core macro system as well < 1443992182 948492 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1443992283 362365 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well if you're trapped in the core macro system it may be your only hope < 1443992315 731068 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :macros unnerve me. < 1443992355 861716 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I guess you were happily designated to be part of the Fungot Translation Vanguard. sok szerencsét! < 1443992379 464881 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think fungot's code is mostly relatively clean, except for the babbling part. < 1443992379 780711 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: brainfuck coding time for compress.bf: 15 minutes. i dare you. unfortunately i usually work for utility companies < 1443992397 551981 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That one looks more traditionally befungey. < 1443992404 117430 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1443992436 702912 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a bit unnerved at the thought of fungot working for utility companies. < 1443992436 974097 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: why is perl 6?) was looking for a way to increment each one at each subsequent iteration, i realised that was a fatal flaw < 1443992613 709936 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :TIL: my work arrival time correlates only very weakly (ρ=0.106) with the time I leave. < 1443992671 162570 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fungot Power Inc. < 1443992989 901656 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style oots < 1443992990 118586 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: oots (Order Of The Stick) < 1443992997 707706 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot power? < 1443992997 896440 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: too much clean and safe places for us, " oh, i get it. < 1443993139 621689 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Markov Chain Lightning delivered to your home! < 1443993155 611294 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot lightning rods? < 1443993155 795130 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: the more open-minded, you know that no one leaves. point blank range. normally, i would work, you can i get you anything about xykon. we just sort and therefore, the six other pages at " nodwick" gift. < 1443993271 297405 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1443993630 777338 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot's irc style is scary < 1443993630 998416 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: your brother and, apparently, there, about that... the cleric skipped to the part about the oath" story is just that was the point, can anyone hear, oh firstborn child of mine, all mine and make my will known. < 1443993649 948485 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: loop? < 1443993650 126660 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: my name is " roy's archon" thing, sir, and i know that, i'm so good that the dwarf, " stabby" is. < 1443993695 546776 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Can that sword alone stop? < 1443993695 725331 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: and, as it is with my people, i would get the message would actually put us in mortal danger is infinitesimally low. < 1443994052 443423 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1443994067 576445 :mtve!~mtve@10130.x.rootbsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1443994194 951516 :gde33!kvirc@546A0B75.cm-12-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PART :#esoteric < 1443994212 420604 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1443994584 445985 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1443995158 54872 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/path4161.png < 1443995637 630544 :coppro_!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca NICK :coppro < 1443996222 686199 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :trout < 1443996284 332285 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1443996309 653929 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hellu < 1443996741 29157 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloppavelloiellon[1]! < 1443996764 975276 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK then < 1443996781 536021 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to get a chess board working in Python < 1443996799 191428 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to create a suite of esochesses that people on this channel can play if they want < 1443996864 831187 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1443997042 527060 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or, I suppose, people on other channels xD) < 1443997051 471215 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or even people that don't even use IRC) < 1443997081 33146 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Zzo38/Programming languages with unusual features14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44593&oldid=44450 5* 03Zzo38 5* (+1993) 10 < 1443997157 639258 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :This computer has Python 2.7.3; will that one work? < 1443997241 927622 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Probably. I'm currently using Anaconda 3, but I'll try not to use any non-backwards-compatible features if I can remember < 1443997272 251172 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(no @ operator for me :,(.) < 1443997304 948037 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(OK, to be fair, Anaconda 3 is only for Python 3.4 currently, so I can't use the @ operator anyway) < 1443997372 930585 :ineiros!~itniemin@dsl-hkibrasgw1-58c3fe-184.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1443997379 154104 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw2-54f80e-20.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1443997387 517491 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really have no clue what I'm doing ATM xD < 1443997407 431504 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only have a reader's understanding of chess < 1443997420 810463 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That is, I don't often play) < 1443997493 420474 :ineiros!~itniemin@dsl-hkibrasgw1-58c3fe-184.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1443997640 656236 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1443997669 445111 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1443997801 708853 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw2-54f80e-20.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1443997903 127569 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey fizzie does fungot have an installation manual < 1443997903 305455 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: i get to go. welcome go puberty. ( does something with a stick, and you, the gods, my poor useless eyes! helping! < 1443998035 763005 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the @ operator? < 1443998208 443030 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1443998216 715565 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Kinda-sorta, https://github.com/fis/fungot/blob/master/README.md < 1443998216 893550 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: for that, my family would like my mode of transit returned, do i not, lieutenant, do i not, lieutenant, do i not, lieutenant, do i not, lieutenant, do i not, lieutenant, do i not, lieutenant, do i not, lieutenant, do i not, lieutenant, do i not, lieutenant, do i not, lieutenant, do i not, lieutenant, do i not, lieutenant, do i not, lieutenant, do i not, lieutenant, do i not, lieutenant, do i not, lieutenant, do i not, l < 1443998232 715055 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: It might be missing something, though; I think there was a bit of troubleshooting involved, the last time someone tried to run it. < 1443998524 57305 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: It's nothing in particular in Python (except for the decorator syntax), but from 3.5 onwards you can overload it as an infix binary operator. < 1443998569 959746 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's just a spare operator, basically? < 1443998603 584682 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. The motivation chapter says it's specifically meant so that you can have * and @ for elementwise and matrix multiplications. < 1443998636 228474 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's why the magic method names for overloading @ (and @=) are __matmul__, __rmatmul__, __imatmul__. < 1443998740 700406 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's a bit silly < 1443998806 925546 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they're courting all those numerical programming folks. < 1443998849 720436 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, it is actually defined as matrix multiplication < 1443998901 304659 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: can you add the fi legature in zem.fi ? < 1443998902 600818 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought you meant it was undefined in the stdlib but they'd made it possible to define it < 1443998959 249153 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: That's what I mean. < 1443998981 820298 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: "But isn't it weird to add an operator with no stdlib uses?" "It's certainly unusual --" http://legacy.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0465/ < 1443998982 274446 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's a bit silly < 1443999018 229254 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They do define "recommended semantics" for anyone using it. < 1443999282 843315 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The swirly shape is reminiscent of the simultaneous sweeps over rows and columns that define matrix multiplication" < 1443999285 17629 :FireFly!firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: ligature characters in domain names is probably a bad idea < 1443999293 582822 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not in the name < 1443999304 320380 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :that text is in the banner < 1443999309 391164 :FireFly!firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1443999375 588138 :FireFly!firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: that is very colourful < 1443999428 615306 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Re domain names, at least Chrome goes to zem.fi if I type in zem.fi -- but I'm not sure what I was supposed to add and where. < 1443999608 435910 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1443999817 126363 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1443999913 924944 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1444000271 623604 :FireFly!firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps to have the "zem.fi" heading use a hardcoded ligature character < 1444000357 342930 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really want to do *that*. I should update the related CSS stylings, though; it's using the nonstandard -webkit-font-feature-settings while apparently there's nowadays a simpler "font-variant-ligatures" too. < 1444000406 984183 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I couldn't get the 'fi' ligature to show up even after twiddling those; but it's supposed to exist in the font, it's the same font I used for the image. < 1444000783 831207 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It renders right for me in the word "fit" at http://www.georgduffner.at/ebgaramond/design.html -- not sure what's up with that. < 1444001528 592650 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Must be something related to pulling it from Google's WebFonts thingie; the other site hosts it locally. < 1444002084 134306 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu QUIT :Quit: That's what she said