< 1444435274 401336 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-izszxqrattndmzcn JOIN :#esoteric < 1444436442 446606 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/XEec claims to be TC, but the proof is pretty dubious < 1444436556 432878 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]! < 1444436558 937041 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1444436564 220189 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi adu! < 1444436577 153161 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how goes Dr. Hedwig Notta? < 1444436593 163113 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, MetaDr. Hedwig Notta < 1444437468 759262 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999918.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should be TC given that you can use 'r' toi rotate one way 'tp' to rotate other way < 1444437523 706690 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999918.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :these can simulkate a tape < 1444437774 784592 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :adu: Well he died 15+6i years from now, so... < 1444438889 639986 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it was 2025+Sqrt(-2) < 1444438928 71401 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but either way, that's impossible to map to our linear timeline < 1444439005 368860 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would like to know the solution to the halting problem for hypercomputers < 1444439036 750914 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bascially, is there an abstract super-turing machine that can solve a TM's halting problem AND its own? < 1444439103 663966 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it is impossible, but, I don't know? < 1444439187 140694 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooooh... < 1444439196 39521 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :NDFSMs sound interesting < 1444439208 983281 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07ShadyAsFuck14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44664&oldid=44663 5* 03VTCAKAVSMoACE 5* (+133) 10 < 1444439546 15940 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: the proof of the halting theorem only assumes that you can compose programs in certain ways, and absolutely nothing about the computational power of those programs otherwise. so the only possible loophole for a machine that can solve its own halting problem is that it does not have sufficiently composable programs. < 1444439567 505463 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*halting problem theorem < 1444440399 64307 :mauris_!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1444440439 196800 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it to be remarkable that Infocom designed the Z-machine in such a way that many strange kinds of optimizations are possible that they never used. < 1444440699 670268 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Surreal Numbers14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=44665 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+391) 10Initialized Page < 1444440799 752761 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07List of ideas14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44666&oldid=44023 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+129) 10/* Mathematics */ SURCOMPLEXES < 1444440942 983561 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :One trick I use in TeX is that if \xyzzy macro is a loop then you can exit the loop by typing {\let\xyzzy} but how common is this? < 1444441061 361118 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: i'd like to point out that all your case are belong to me and will be corrected as i crawl out of the wiki backlog hth < 1444441083 377757 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this may, admittedly, take a while. < 1444441140 98790 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(upper case in words other than the first is for proper nouns hth) < 1444441177 794825 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If one were to define the Surcomplex numbers, of the form {L0|R0}+{L1|R1}i, would they be defined as the sum of a surreal number and a surreal number times the imaginary unit, or as the sum of a surcomplex number and a surcomplex number times the imaginary unit < 1444441182 938936 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1444441215 737489 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the former probably makes the most sense < 1444441234 505652 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does, but the latter sounds like it's probably true. Because that's how math works. < 1444441243 44083 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Look at the definition of Surcomplex number see if it is found in Wikipedia? < 1444441258 53767 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(If not on Wikipedia, try something else) < 1444441259 762172 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: well the latter would be true but not a unique representation. < 1444441286 608698 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I made up the word "Surcomplex" because I needed something to call it < 1444441313 356643 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh look < 1444441318 606372 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's actually what it's called < 1444441324 95010 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's burried in the wiki article on it < 1444441343 912343 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup, a and b are surreals, not surcomplexes < 1444441360 369188 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't expect it would be called something else; "surcomplex" seem how I would call it too < 1444441384 83584 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assume the surreals are a https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Real_closed_field except for not being a set < 1444441410 794870 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so their algebraic closure would be formed in the same way as for normal reals < 1444441521 942991 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: It appears that way < 1444441532 453860 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Conway's Game of Life is a 0-player game. We can do better than that. < 1444441544 768940 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :We must create either a Fractional Player Game or a -1 player game. < 1444441619 48317 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or a -1/2 player game. < 1444441633 419336 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you can figure out how, then yes. < 1444441721 933351 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well an n+0.5 player game could potentially be created by allowing someone to interact who is not strictly participating in the game < 1444441746 790741 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose that could make D&D an n+0.5 player game, where n is the number of players other than the dungeon master < 1444441754 894896 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has now exhausted his knowledge of D&D
< 1444441791 965122 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would not expect it though; the dungeon master is also one of the players of the game, although it is not a formal game so it doesn't matter anyways. < 1444441993 50488 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to make a euler diagram of number systems. For some reason, that sounds like it'd be more fun than it should be. < 1444442055 643406 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the value of a number with a fractional exponent where the numerator of such exponent is not 1? < 1444442168 382763 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-izszxqrattndmzcn QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1444442198 622804 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a^(p/q) is the qth root of a^p hth < 1444442285 931229 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :p/q should be in lowest terms. < 1444442298 877623 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :a^(p/q) is (the qth root of a)^p hth < 1444442305 488237 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there'll still be multiple complex solutions < 1444442316 789954 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: um... < 1444442336 640881 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess parentheses weren't implied one way or the other in what you said < 1444442361 343637 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well they were. is your version more defined... < 1444442366 944504 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1444442370 822349 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :never mind < 1444442375 344195 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :this did not work out at all < 1444442394 161927 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should work fine for complex numbers < 1444442408 797892 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :the attempt at some sort of humor < 1444442413 388574 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but your version may not need p/q in lowest terms < 1444442433 374148 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it is, then they're probably equivalent? < 1444442442 526801 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does your version need lowest terms? < 1444442452 4655 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1444442452 340977 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :2/2 < 1444442480 785828 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :1^(2/2) could be -1 otherwise < 1444442493 773029 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the square root function isn't even defined on negative numbers < 1444442514 799143 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1444442519 30802 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not taking square root of anything negative < 1444442519 731337 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not what i meant to say < 1444442524 43028 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :square root isn't even a function < 1444442538 519028 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i told you there would be multiple complex solutions < 1444442558 285421 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :just ignore everything i've said here for the past hour < 1444442569 21819 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :look < 1444442569 517897 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose e^(p/q*ln a) is also good < 1444442581 879227 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and probably equivalent < 1444442582 286492 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PART :#esoteric < 1444442639 216175 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/e^/exp/ < 1444442651 74621 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf JOIN :#esoteric < 1444442654 63983 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok this doesn't work either < 1444442656 582005 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm trapped < 1444442664 560504 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mwahahaha < 1444442697 44179 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :look the point is i want sqrt(a)sqrt(b) = sqrt(ab) < 1444442780 229067 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1444442896 256541 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999918.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :font updated! only 6 characters but I did a lot of work to unglitch the width 夢羅針饂飩檎 < 1444442929 523961 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is the mindset that leads to questions like http://stackoverflow.com/q/33049458 ? < 1444443037 955425 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999918.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like typical devout onelinerism < 1444443066 965321 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999918.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :he wants to express the twoliner as a oneliner < 1444443088 323306 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What'd be a good modern substitute for TeX? < 1444443094 809683 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999918.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :LaTeX < 1444443101 92291 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean the mixup of forall and exists < 1444443104 838312 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And of => and *> < 1444443118 406846 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :This person wants to write [exists a. Show a *> a] < 1444443123 569923 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I read a post where a Mathematician said that it'd be nice if we had a modern text < 1444443140 364862 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Wut. < 1444443150 252891 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :[exists a. Show a *> a] < 1444443155 892479 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999918.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it's nrtm < 1444443163 518046 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999918.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :he dnrtfm < 1444443177 879628 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not really the moment for that < 1444443179 305958 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what *> means, but I know that using exists there is awful < 1444443191 219561 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, what's ntrm and dnrtfm? < 1444443202 511523 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999918.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :did not read the fucking manual < 1444443207 380393 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :*> isn't real Haskell (or GHC) syntax, but it would be the dual of => in the way that exists is the dual of forall < 1444443235 307498 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Non Tabacco Related Material? < 1444443238 649776 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: Ah < 1444443296 329398 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999918.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, i thought it was spelled "tobacco" < 1444443306 765444 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is < 1444443309 347822 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I spelled it wrong < 1444443312 298822 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1444443315 282309 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe < 1444443392 439971 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999918.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. in C, a+>b should be the same as (**a).b < 1444443407 558521 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I happen to like TeX; it is good as it is and the modern stuff isn't quite as good < 1444443410 559159 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999918.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would have been very helpful today < 1444443446 732292 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999918.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote my resume in LaTeX < 1444443476 102913 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :TeX is already very good. There are a lot of modern programs which you can use (including LaTeX) but I don't like them as much (nevertheless, you can use it if it is available, if you want to do so). < 1444443506 927794 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999918.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mainly use LaTeX so I can use the $$ equation $$ syntax < 1444443553 170151 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The $$ syntax (called display math) is supported in Plain TeX too; it is a primitive feature of TeX < 1444443972 832218 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you even know how to use TeX? If you do not know, then you must learn. < 1444444062 97572 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : What is the mindset that leads to questions like http://stackoverflow.com/q/33049458 ? <-- an inability to understand quantifiers beyond the syllogism stage. it might well be a majority human condition hth < 1444444084 446471 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: But people seem to make this particular confusion a lot. < 1444444314 582521 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it adds double negation to the mix < 1444444315 251057 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Of course TeX is good, but it's old. Here's the idea: If we manage to make a new and better TeX replacement, Awesome! Mathematical writing is now easier! If we make one that's worse, oh well, no one uses it, but it was fun to write < 1444444390 117481 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: Well, you are free to try to make up new computer program; I have nothing against that. Nevertheless some people might prefer TeX even if you like the new one, but even if a few people can use it, or at least to see the codes, then it is not so useless, isn't it? < 1444444391 107892 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What kind of format could we use for typesetting mathematics that hasn't been done before (TeX did a sort of infix function notation, MathML did XML) < 1444444414 889409 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :RDF maybe? < 1444444416 255385 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Of course, of course. That's what I'm going for < 1444444420 641995 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :RDF is an idea... < 1444444420 946143 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sexps of course < 1444444435 216922 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or alternatively JSON, or S-expressions as oerjan has said < 1444444439 648462 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sexps? perhaps... < 1444444468 363614 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to go to Wiki and see what it has to say on formats < 1444444516 107363 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :YAML maybe < 1444444543 111254 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is another possibility too < 1444444611 620487 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could do something entirely new < 1444444630 251010 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe even SQL < 1444444633 343719 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :{tag arg var=arg arg: data} < 1444444634 866834 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooooh < 1444444641 224198 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That'd be cool < 1444444685 626304 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose that which I just posted is HTMLtaggy JSON with positional arguments < 1444444728 938078 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/HTML/XML / < 1444444894 105263 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meh. I'll just do something normal for now. I'd like to figure out how to render stuff /before/ I start doing it weirdly < 1444444910 840589 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But all of these things being specified could also be represented with RDF (or even with each other, although they could be represented best with RDF probably if a common format is used for everything) < 1444444926 545890 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :True, true < 1444444965 593503 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whatever you do make, see if it is as powerful as TeX < 1444444970 392953 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll just do something LaTeXy to learn how to render, then something new when I know what I'm doing < 1444444979 165659 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: TC you mean? ;) < 1444445020 275739 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll call it... FormulaML for now < 1444445023 327214 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That isn't quite what I mean < 1444445051 860323 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know xD < 1444445104 958858 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :TeX isn't only for mathematics, anyways. I use it for many kind of typesetting stuff < 1444445129 955864 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know < 1444445138 430767 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'm most interested in the mathy stuff xD < 1444445199 104528 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So do you have any syntax ideas? It's starting out like normal TeX, with \functionname{stuff}{stuff}, but it'll evolve from there < 1444445239 450613 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find normal TeX syntax fine, and pretty flexible < 1444445275 293475 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK. This'll probably just end up being my own take on TeX xD < 1444445347 160327 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no clue how typesetting works, so this'll really just be me bumbling my way around. Like, to the degree that I will make up my own font format most likely < 1444445351 942046 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe not < 1444445379 84274 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just use the .TFM format for fonts < 1444445390 363481 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1444445417 825689 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe just fonts existent on the system. This'll probably be interpreted, with it just painting to a canvas < 1444445423 1942 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are a few things with TeX that could be improved, such as using stdin/stdout so that the DVI is written to stdout instead of to a file and so on, as well as allowing error handlers to be defined, although TeX also works very well as it is and can do without such thing. < 1444445573 589704 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll keep thinking about this. < 1444445653 144927 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1444445698 288094 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I mention "as powerful as TeX", Turing-completeness isn't sufficient because Turing-complete only has to do with what calculations it can perform rather than how it can be used in the program and with I/O. < 1444445801 444637 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example, can you parse PGN with your system? (I have written a PGN and FEN parser in TeX. I have written a PBM parser too.) < 1444445868 86301 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qzrhfmgyiwnodttu JOIN :#esoteric < 1444446109 327799 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still want to see a programming language that accepts images as it's source, but Vector instead of Raster < 1444446148 575436 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just found an amazing idea on the Ideas page. An esolang that is a derivative of itself (ideally in a way that makes it possible to deduce most of its semantics via induction, despite the lack of a base case). < 1444446154 808052 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :SCIENTISTS! INVESTIGATE! < 1444446476 638918 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999918.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :where's boily?! 夢羅針饂飩檎麻鼻麺麦鳴高駅 < 1444446487 114373 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Same place as elliott? < 1444446505 764081 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999918.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell boily 羅針饂飩檎 < 1444446505 941380 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1444446517 168404 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999918.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :he requested those five < 1444447350 985628 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The next thing I wanted to figure out is how to make ephemeris calculations using TeX (with an external data file if necessary) < 1444447469 46005 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even if it is ephemerides for only the sun and moon, it would be sufficient to print a calendar; if you had all ephemerides (and the necessary fonts) you could print a horoscope too. < 1444447544 674941 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'll add the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Π-calculus to LIME < 1444447584 589193 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1444447749 892497 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999918.dsl.bell.ca QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1444448069 839969 :oren!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1444448103 216646 :oren!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :changed to connect thru my server instead of locally < 1444448152 433333 :oren!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :- hexedit the width at 0x122 to be 0240 and correct the checksum for the OS/2 ta < 1444448155 451402 :oren!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ble- hexedit the width at 0x122 to be 0240 and correct the checksum for the OS/2 ta < 1444448231 787296 :oren!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :holy shit this new windows terminal has transparency@?!? < 1444448239 288149 :oren!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :PieTTY < 1444448446 550358 :oren!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah, too hard to read < 1444448556 397373 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need to know how you decide whether to be called \oren\ or oren < 1444448582 728929 :oren!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :In this case, it just took my username on my server < 1444448612 848033 :oren!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and made that my nick by default < 1444448625 642324 :oren!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I like backslashes < 1444448864 838713 :oren!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com NICK :\oren\ < 1444448899 277182 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com NICK :\oren{ < 1444448935 737765 :\oren{!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :now my nick is like a forklift < 1444448947 329818 :\oren{!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com NICK :\oren{_ < 1444448960 476161 :\oren{_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forklift < 1444450804 940970 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1444452106 150954 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1444452967 653831 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qzrhfmgyiwnodttu QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1444455035 93192 :\oren{_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Today's recommendation: 干物妹！うまるちゃん < 1444456753 773227 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mostly I don't like transparent windows but I have used it once. < 1444456780 541584 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1444456789 428476 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(In order to draw a copy of a picture into MegaZeux) < 1444458617 118310 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: whoalsner < 1444458860 900188 :\oren{_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea how I came across this terminal, but I like it a lot: http://ntu.csie.org/~piaip/pietty/ < 1444459097 448073 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1444459245 109240 :\oren{_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phellontellom Helloovellor < 1444459273 630369 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone should make a https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Π-calculus haskell equivalent < 1444459347 162876 :\oren{_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you mean https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/π-calculus < 1444459362 961630 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren{_: That's the article. < 1444459427 604433 :\oren{_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait wtf? the url autocorrects lowercase pi to uppercase, but the article title is lowercase? < 1444459551 145425 :\oren{_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm... so the first letter of wiki urls can be upper or lowercase and it goes to the uppercase version < 1444459569 880951 :\oren{_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the rest of the url is case-sensitive. assholes < 1444459631 285013 :\oren{_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/cat work, but https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAt is a different article < 1444459689 602643 :\oren{_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com NICK :\oren[_ < 1444459771 370749 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is how MediaWiki software works (although that feature can be disabled) < 1444460619 564808 :bender!~sid123@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1444460727 124850 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1444463838 138104 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not even the most annoying think about mediawiki titles < 1444463850 961982 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are a bunch of special characters that you can't use < 1444463875 855852 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :*thing < 1444464312 660483 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does the balaclava that's used by robbers have a hole for the mouth? < 1444464530 855309 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they can speak clearly? < 1444464563 334253 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :do they need it? < 1444464589 752802 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren[_: I think the historical justification for it was so that article titles at the beginning of a sentence wouldn't be different from ones in the middle of a sentence. < 1444464600 107732 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren[_: Why do you keep adding all these characters to your nick? < 1444464608 628842 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish people would just stick to one nick. < 1444464638 533100 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :seconded < 1444464676 289429 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera, well ideally you want to be able to say 'give me all the money' vs. 'mmf mm mm m mmhmm' < 1444464786 168617 :ineiros!~itniemin@dsl-hkibrasgw1-58c3fe-184.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1444464862 633620 :ineiros!~itniemin@dsl-hkibrasgw1-58c3fe-184.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1444464941 892304 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a guy with a gun and you're a bank director, he points the gun to your head < 1444464955 785176 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you need to know exactly what he's looking for? < 1444464973 403065 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :"sorry i don't understand, can you take off your mask please?" < 1444465056 172936 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :"i shaid mmmfh mmh money mmhhfm mothafucka!" < 1444465110 320323 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe he just wants to open an account to deposit the money he robbed from another bank < 1444465120 324824 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :that kind of confusion is what gets people shot < 1444465168 170394 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :also why not have a mouth hole? unless you have a very characteristic mouth you're not going to get identified by it < 1444465218 468202 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i dunno, i just thought that it's exposing more than necessary < 1444465448 911634 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or bring typewritten notes, but then it won't help for use of unexpected questions < 1444465485 559440 :\oren[_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com NICK :oren < 1444465548 621965 :oren!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could also just use a medical mask, those poof outwards from your mouth allowing you to speak fairly clearly < 1444465571 728558 :oren!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :件企任伴伝伯伸冗刑判到制奴妹姉始嫌 < 1444466668 564343 :nchambers!nchambers@compilerdev.net PART :#esoteric < 1444466672 876227 :nchambers!nchambers@compilerdev.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1444467229 563823 :bender|!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 JOIN :#esoteric < 1444467298 370761 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: whoa? < 1444467342 529227 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :you twitted me or something < 1444467374 46489 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, I may have followed you < 1444467394 253244 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :also apparently you have a name that isn't olsner < 1444467411 309984 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, olsner was already taken < 1444467451 57815 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean a given name, not a username < 1444467460 483978 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway < 1444467464 484411 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, yes, my real name is completely unrelated < 1444467778 347200 :oren!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :my real name is oren < 1444467930 198920 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my real name is not myname < 1444467961 956270 :oren!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think shachafs real name is shachaf, and I'm almost certain oerjan's real name is some orthographic variant of oerjan < 1444468240 456964 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07ShadyAsFuck14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44667&oldid=44664 5* 0390.201.129.135 5* (+140) 10 < 1444468248 810143 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I need to contact the correct authorities to help me steal my own bike < 1444468300 70498 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my trick is not to use a lock < 1444468364 15154 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07ShadyAsFuck14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44668&oldid=44667 5* 03VTCAKAVSMoACE 5* (-4) 10 < 1444468371 834359 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think in my case that would be problematic as it's been on campus for 2 or 3 months now < 1444468390 330629 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of my friends tried to unlock it overnight and broke the key < 1444468398 585027 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1444468492 8650 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Acquire bolt cutters? < 1444468524 739826 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the issue is I don't want campus security thinking I'm a bike thief < 1444468561 321190 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any proof that it's your bike? < 1444468568 622861 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Well, if you log into the bike to prove its yours...) < 1444468604 385047 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have half the key (the other half is still in the lock) and it has my surname written on it < 1444468621 582461 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The bike or the key? < 1444468632 478646 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1444468646 669094 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :The bike < 1444468666 356697 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps campus security has bolt cutters, and maybe your surname written on the bike is enough to verify that it's yours... < 1444468704 672898 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or if it's a TSA lock, you can 3d print the necessary master key. < 1444468723 393031 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Issue is the lock was already broken when the key broke < 1444468749 269409 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :In what was is that an issue? < 1444468752 962409 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/was/way/ < 1444468810 739682 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What sort of lock is it? < 1444468869 408564 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was one of those D locks, and I think the part of the cylinder that actually blocks it from being opened has snapped off < 1444468946 599640 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could freeze the lock and hit it with a hammer. < 1444468963 4142 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't solve the issue of not wanting to look like a bike theif < 1444468975 827769 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe the porters have access to tools to remove bikes, anyway < 1444469018 723425 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think there's any way not to look like a bike thief without asking somebody such as security to help you with it. You could try to do it discreetly. < 1444469047 177771 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could dress up as a clown. < 1444469049 602495 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or I could ask security < 1444469094 196500 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could dress up as a bike, then hide out with the other bike for a bit, and then when nobody's looking, pounce away and make the miraculous scene of a bike riding another bike. < 1444469165 419746 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even just holding a sign saying "I AM NOT A BIKE THIEF" might be enough to make you not look like a bike thief, I don't think they generally want to attract attention. < 1444469165 672590 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that's all the advice I seem to have available, and thus I shall comatose for a few hours, perhaps hallucinate vividly too, and then suffer amnesia about the whole thing. < 1444469175 31758 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hahah. < 1444469187 347564 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goodnight, zgrep < 1444469212 820279 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Although it might make you look like a bike thief with a clever plan.) < 1444469230 700203 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or I could sit here and learn LaTeX < 1444469273 123326 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :\documentclass{zZzZ} < 1444469360 600553 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :The GG website seems to be undergoing some maintenance? Sigh. < 1444470823 854064 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03M654z 5* 10New user account < 1444470964 670068 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44669&oldid=44525 5* 03M654z 5* (+9) 10 < 1444471076 918857 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :that edit seems a bit premature... < 1444471529 384042 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07G*14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=44670 5* 03M654z 5* (+763) 10Created page with "G* is an esoteric programming language made by [[User:M654z]] in 2015. G* was originally designed for code golfing. ===Commands=== p - Prints text q - Creates a quine l - Loo..." < 1444471562 933474 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07G*14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44671&oldid=44670 5* 03M654z 5* (+9) 10 < 1444471587 178145 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07G*14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44672&oldid=44671 5* 03M654z 5* (+8) 10 < 1444471609 874941 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07G*14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44673&oldid=44672 5* 03M654z 5* (+10) 10 < 1444472689 369531 :zadock!~outsider@81.180.210.219 JOIN :#esoteric < 1444473459 697593 :mauris_!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric < 1444473524 514841 :zadock!~outsider@81.180.210.219 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1444473527 585404 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1444476066 350921 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH JOIN :#esoteric < 1444479649 377529 :VictorCL!~VictorCL@67.pool85-50-174.dynamic.orange.es JOIN :#esoteric < 1444479695 272665 :Patashu!Dream_Silk@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1444479736 942252 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1444480269 914181 :VictorCL!~VictorCL@67.pool85-50-174.dynamic.orange.es QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1444481048 704295 :VictorCL!~VictorCL@67.pool85-50-174.dynamic.orange.es JOIN :#esoteric < 1444481233 970998 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1444481256 48919 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1444481522 949759 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1444482510 646680 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07ShadyAsFuck14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44674&oldid=44668 5* 03Flawr 5* (+114) 10 < 1444482607 413393 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1444483181 87082 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :G* looks like it mimics the HQ9 family of languages (a case of parallel evolution, maybe). < 1444483460 801995 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks pretty useless < 1444485271 618858 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1444485391 54891 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1444485471 162967 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( As I said... ) < 1444485496 523829 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like how the l command is practically useless < 1444486266 490079 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1444487392 913098 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1444487413 533436 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1444487415 551771 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1444487769 548789 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1444487770 781949 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :drone sex/Drone sex has never been observed in the wild; in fact it's rare to see drones in their natural habitat because they are extremely shy. Controlled experiments with drones in captivity have only resulted in broken drones, and a rotor stuck in the ceiling. We are still looking for a biological explanation for the ever increasing drone popul < 1444487775 532146 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :@massages-loud < 1444487775 764453 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\ said 11h 27m 49s ago: 羅針饂飩檎 < 1444487819 650299 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell \oren\ ありがとうございます！ < 1444487820 332957 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1444488709 825619 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"a biological explaination for the ever increasing drone population"? Such a thing exists? < 1444488847 203133 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom is always factually accurate < 1444488963 688352 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` culprits wisdom/drone\ sex # disclosure < 1444488965 277585 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e mroman < 1444489353 395436 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` sed -i 's=Controlled e=E=' wisdom/drone\ sex < 1444489355 303890 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1444490629 551712 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But how on earth would drone birth work? < 1444490646 76031 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do they carry little 3d-printer filaments? < 1444490792 966036 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: sounds plausible < 1444490947 514500 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Motherships... < 1444491052 888824 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So... do they 3d-print little parts, and then they attach them all together? What about the microchips? < 1444491089 54050 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh... of course. That's another reason it wouldn't work in captivity, either... they wouldn't have anywhere to steal them from. < 1444491190 966235 :bender|!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 QUIT :Quit: [brb in a few seconds] < 1444492203 629451 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-229-111.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1444492205 198456 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`tail -c 100 wisdom/drone\ sex < 1444492205 763143 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tail: 100 wisdom/drone\ sex: invalid number of bytes < 1444492208 705031 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run tail -c 100 wisdom/drone\ sex < 1444492209 290403 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :eiling. We are still looking for a biological explanation for the ever increasing drone population. < 1444493724 645815 :evalj!~jeval@BC066B86.catv.pool.telekom.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1444493756 791141 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :] 4*(_1+3*3)*2*2 < 1444493757 41946 :evalj!~jeval@BC066B86.catv.pool.telekom.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: 128 < 1444493970 466106 :llue!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu JOIN :#esoteric < 1444494011 672036 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1444494056 788874 :llue!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1444494073 471871 :llue!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu JOIN :#esoteric < 1444494387 581177 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-229-111.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1444496010 983337 :VictorCL!~VictorCL@67.pool85-50-174.dynamic.orange.es QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1444496855 323629 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca QUIT :Quit: TOWER CHICKEN < 1444498006 313559 :oren!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com NICK :\oren\ < 1444498015 775429 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages-loud < 1444498015 958067 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily said 2h 49m 56s ago: ありがとうございます！ < 1444498219 144538 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1444498260 938069 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1444498382 544588 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1444498502 427413 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes, due to my social awkwardness, I forget that I'm actually quite extroverted < 1444498517 853164 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, compared to introverts, at least < 1444498530 598910 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1444498531 467084 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that may depend on the definition imo < 1444498571 853902 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess < 1444498573 409434 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. there seem to be something like "extroverts are good at talking to people" as opposed to "introverts feel most comfortable alone" < 1444498592 606539 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think those two are mutually exclusive < 1444498603 363391 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly that's my point < 1444498615 836361 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't feel lile belonging to any of these < 1444498783 127694 :gr8!~gr8@unaffiliated/gr8 JOIN :#esoteric < 1444498817 964365 :gr8!~gr8@unaffiliated/gr8 PART :#esoteric < 1444498840 939936 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1444499144 446528 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: there's that joke that an introverted mathematician is one who looks at their own shoes when he's talking to someone, and an extroverted one is one who looks at the addressed person's shoes. < 1444499163 393272 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1444499348 408782 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know that one with computer scientists < 1444499353 736790 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it may be more true there < 1444499505 144648 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, yesterday I facilitated a bar crawl for CS students < 1444499576 278235 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: probably both, yes < 1444499651 448735 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some people seemed to be both computer scientists AND social! < 1444499685 69180 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is it call the mathematician who look at both people's shoes in order to compare? < 1444499711 98113 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: well, people do believe i am.social < 1444499721 579346 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: ambivert < 1444499727 239762 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i ave no idea why they do think so, tbh < 1444500249 448383 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-229-111.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1444500875 537551 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-229-111.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1444501422 165363 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1444501559 210925 :aretecode!~aretecode@50.23.131.206-static.reverse.softlayer.com QUIT :Quit: Toodaloo < 1444501842 84502 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1444502150 823990 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1444502152 425642 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :delve/Delve is a static ability that functions while the spell with delve is on the stack. “Delve” means “For each generic mana in this spell’s total cost, you may exile a card from your graveyard rather than pay that mana.” The delve ability isn’t an additional or alternative cost and applies only after the total cost of the spell with < 1444502167 364685 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` culprits wisdom/delve < 1444502168 913641 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett < 1444502189 817945 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: tswellott. I think the text cuts off prematurely. < 1444502348 828237 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1444502349 885232 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :urbandictionary/Urban Dictionary is an alternative, inferior wisdom database. < 1444502415 327632 :J_Arcane_!~chatzilla@37-219-229-111.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1444502437 225013 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-229-111.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1444502441 661568 :J_Arcane_!~chatzilla@37-219-229-111.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi NICK :J_Arcane < 1444502473 161127 :heddwch!heddwch@76.8.3.189 PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1444502751 280536 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :except when you are looking at space docking < 1444502863 130179 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07ShadyAsFuck14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44675&oldid=44674 5* 03VTCAKAVSMoACE 5* (+243) 10 < 1444502915 248561 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :mynamello. space docking? < 1444502939 468181 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :containerizing the universe... brilliant idea, myname! < 1444502969 588175 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1444503064 25145 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: i dare you to urbandictionary it < 1444503073 471751 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i meant you < 1444503077 605233 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf irssi < 1444503111 316428 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have the same problem. oerjan and olsner are the same person, as are mauris and mroman. < 1444503128 871637 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: what? isn't oerjan the same person as oren? < 1444503136 762788 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is that no longer since he uses the nick \oren\ ? < 1444503142 262747 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ain't be urbandictionnarying no word. my expertise lays with recording the Wisdom. < 1444503220 860370 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\ has backslashes, so they seceded from the oerljansner fusion. < 1444503513 502351 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it is an advantage of having backslashed < 1444503568 572920 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :an escaped oren! < 1444503597 476604 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i disagree < 1444503923 992341 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? csv < 1444503924 801943 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CSV猫stands猫for猫Cat猫Separated猫Values < 1444503946 843555 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... needs more emoji < 1444504123 574487 :J_Arcane_!~chatzilla@37-219-229-111.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1444504132 251211 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hijarcane < 1444504140 349784 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-229-111.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1444504151 164145 :J_Arcane_!~chatzilla@37-219-229-111.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi NICK :J_Arcane < 1444504174 897448 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hij_arcane < 1444505106 121229 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1444505738 157465 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1444506623 516128 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Quit: BBS < 1444506679 363690 :FreeFull!~freefull@bcdda3f8.skybroadband.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1444506687 93680 :FreeFull!~freefull@bcdda3f8.skybroadband.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1444506719 270717 :FreeFull!~freefull@bcdda3f8.skybroadband.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1444506742 768177 :FreeFull!~freefull@bcdda3f8.skybroadband.com NICK :Guest91729 < 1444506753 16812 :Guest91729!~freefull@bcdda3f8.skybroadband.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1444506757 44252 :burraelicanaima7!~canaima@186-92-250-42.genericrev.cantv.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1444506786 744481 :burraelicanaima7!~canaima@186-92-250-42.genericrev.cantv.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D < 1444506812 470564 :burraelicanaima7!~canaima@186-92-250-42.genericrev.cantv.net PART :#esoteric < 1444506844 738363 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1444506878 368520 :FreeFull_!~freefull@bcdda3f8.skybroadband.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1444506895 938660 :FreeFull_!~freefull@bcdda3f8.skybroadband.com QUIT :Changing host < 1444506896 115838 :FreeFull_!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1444506910 90528 :FreeFull_!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Client Quit < 1444507000 125949 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1444507225 279174 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1444507268 972574 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Quit: in search of food < 1444507298 632157 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1444507440 711525 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1444507511 414818 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca QUIT :Quit: QUININE CHICKEN < 1444507735 525694 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1444507771 61347 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Y'know, Magic seems to have a lot of things that are similar to alternative cost. < 1444507782 550812 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :like? < 1444507820 637375 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, there's "as an alternative cost, you may do X"; "you may pay this cost by doing X"; and "you may do X instead of paying this cost". < 1444507833 598516 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://amzn.to/13VVqS2 wat < 1444507839 946607 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIUC, Phyrexian mana symbols use the second option, and Delve uses the third. < 1444507868 446843 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, let me double-check Delve. < 1444507927 26012 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks like I'm wrong. http://mtgsalvation.gamepedia.com/Delve says: "Exiling a card this way is simply another way to pay that cost." < 1444507956 237074 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think delve doesn't change the cost (so you can still activate mana abilities even if it can be paid without mana), but Phyrexian mana requires you to choose at the beginning (as you are choosing the modes) whether the cost will be life or mana. < 1444508101 755597 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that so? < 1444508122 562675 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, that changed < 1444508230 979091 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Changed into what? < 1444508267 695645 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hellu < 1444508281 596369 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: note that some of the remainder text, such as the new reminder text for the Con-thingy mechanic of Selesnya, may be abbreviated to use templating the rules text wouldn't normally do. < 1444508390 596737 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1444508827 671749 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bad kerning as a sound change: e.g. /cl/ → /d/, /vv/ → /w/, or, more spectacularly, /rri/ → /m/ (the origin of the infamous “hurrianist–humanist” merger). < 1444508943 163126 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I have bluetooth, powerful data manipulation libraries, touchscreen control, amazing hardware-accellerated GUI, server software, the Skype API, etc. All in python. < 1444508955 731397 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I need to think of something to do with my evil technology < 1444508978 290490 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(oh, also, text-to-speech, hotkeys, and sending keypresses to the OS) < 1444509006 562532 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps I could find something for speech recognition and roll my own Programmer's Siri? < 1444509034 903875 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: you can pay for phyrexian mana with either life or mana < 1444509051 789479 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or perhaps I could work on Junction < 1444509084 256457 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: +1 < 1444509123 505133 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :note I didn't invent that, I saw it as a search result for bad kerning rri m < 1444509144 476932 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Yes, but it is rule 601.2b says how to figure out Phyrexian mana, but delve is figured out during 601.2h, that is what the rules says, isn't it? < 1444509235 639496 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe Yawgatog has not been updated; the last rule updates are from 2015 July 17 < 1444509286 20895 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: I've seen that blog. < 1444509293 985546 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've contributed a few ideas to it. < 1444509356 87096 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's see, which ideas of mine do I still like? < 1444509367 94146 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Consonants are written on one side of the paper, vowels on the other." < 1444509373 680760 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The writing system only indicates prosody, not consonants or vowels." < 1444509386 530130 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A conversation consists of a game of Go. Anyone who can’t communicate clearly while still playing at at least a 10 kyu level is considered uneducated." < 1444509397 704966 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Every phoneme is a chord. The language can only be spoken by at least three people in tandem (or one person with an appropriate musical instrument). Everyone always carries around a tuning fork to use as a pitch reference, for correct understanding." < 1444509444 199845 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like the last one < 1444509742 315173 :ski_!~ski@remote11.chalmers.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1444509788 684118 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Consonants are written on one side of the paper, vowels on the other." -- that one can basically happen with some languages if you rotate the paper and write only one line, I think. < 1444509829 980036 :SirCmpwn_!~sircmpwn@irc.sircmpwn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1444509830 800275 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A conversation consists of a game of Go. Anyone who can’t communicate clearly while still playing at at least a 10 kyu level is considered uneducated." -- hehe, nice < 1444509889 817926 :perrier!~cinch@107.170.175.57 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1444509898 539945 :perrier_!~cinch@107.170.175.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1444509907 577537 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know about go, but "A conversation consists of . Anyone who can't communicate clearly while is considered uneducated." is a great template, you can have a lot of languages and programming languages on that theme. < 1444509951 647326 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such as, chef and Shakespear which are esolangs where the programs pretend to be something else but also contain steganographed instructions for the program. < 1444509974 672715 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or speaking natural languages constrained to some particular poetic form. < 1444510060 934271 :Gregor`!dlopen@libdl.so JOIN :#esoteric < 1444510147 981172 :SirCmpwn!~sircmpwn@irc.sircmpwn.com QUIT :Killed (wolfe.freenode.net (Nickname regained by services)) < 1444510148 158269 :SirCmpwn_!~sircmpwn@irc.sircmpwn.com NICK :SirCmpwn < 1444510276 695141 :aretecode!~aretecode@50.23.131.206-static.reverse.softlayer.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1444510414 142017 :ski!~ski@remote11.chalmers.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1444510485 806387 :vifino!vifino@tty.sh QUIT :*.net *.split < 1444510485 806409 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so QUIT :*.net *.split < 1444510812 479211 :vifino!~vifino@tty.sh JOIN :#esoteric < 1444510839 168242 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@86.89.119.147 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1444511035 933103 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another idea of Magic: the Gathering cards, this one being a land card: Can be played from your sideboard. ;; {T}, Sacrifice ~: Add {1} to your mana pool. < 1444511129 33757 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can be played from your sideboard. ;; ~ comes into play tapped. ;; {T}, Sacrifice ~: Add {1} to your mana pool. < 1444511154 305898 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1444511483 443544 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :do not play more than one ~ from the sideboard per round? < 1444511503 911649 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I guess "turn" is the term < 1444511535 820316 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is a land, so you cannot play more than one land per turn at all < 1444511543 381673 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :duh. right < 1444511566 899241 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: what is this card? note that even if it comes into play tapped and produces {1}, it is probably still brokenly powerful < 1444511671 493523 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, probably, but if it is restricted or banned then how powerful is it? < 1444511695 291144 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's banned then it doesn't matter how powerful it is (see: Contract from Below) < 1444511707 899672 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's restricted, I imagine nearly all decks would play one copy < 1444511735 639320 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even if restricted or banned doesn't prevent you from using it if it is drafted though. < 1444511744 168357 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(note: I'm currently assuming: "Land. You may play ~ from outside the game. ~ enters the battlefield tapped. {T}: Add {1} to your mana pool.") < 1444511758 949565 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, banned works on drafted cards too I think < 1444511771 895953 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but different formats have different banlists < 1444511776 607210 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and most banlists are aimed at constructed formats < 1444511793 830018 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think so; banned cards are allowed in limited formats. < 1444511812 784864 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I think they once prebanned a card, probably for this reason.) < 1444511820 417645 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I don't think Contract from Below would be allowed in Alpha draft < 1444511834 413445 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also they once prebanned Memory Jar, but not because they wanted it for Draft only < 1444511842 952715 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's because they only realised how brokenly powerful it was after it had already been printed < 1444511854 824146 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not even sure Draft was an officially supported format at the time < 1444511904 683119 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :As I understand it, even if it were "legal" in Alpha draft, you'd remove it from your library before you began playing. < 1444511906 433566 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you are playing an Alpha draft without ante then of course Contract from Below is disallowed. < 1444511912 175978 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because ante. < 1444511916 992351 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: right < 1444511924 252706 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wouldn't that still let you run less than 40 cards though? < 1444511938 332176 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I... don't know. < 1444511949 23442 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Depend how it is checked; I would expect that it does not allow < 1444511956 484264 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(admittedly this is a somewhat moot point, because it seems unlikely that anyone will be able to collect enough Alpha boosters into one place at once to be able to draft it) < 1444511990 333697 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless you use proxies, but in that case it is unofficial and you can define other tournment rules too < 1444512021 904977 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Every now and then an unopened *box* of Alpha shows up. < 1444512055 964535 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :A variant rule can be you can play it, but the ante zone starts empty; if you play Contract from Below and then lose, your opponent has that card for the remainder of the current match only and then after that your score is decreased by the anted card's value. < 1444512085 802584 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mAbE I Sud start wRkiG on a gramR riform tU gO wiT mI speliG riform < 1444512099 2856 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does m:tg have cards that can be played from outside the game (without playing a wish-like card in game first)? < 1444512115 669284 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another strangely idea is a card that can be played from the ante zone. < 1444512129 936366 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not to my knowledge, unless you count Un-. < 1444512159 231586 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or that has a static ability that works from the ante zone) < 1444512167 89150 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I don't think Un- does either < 1444512184 743216 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or triggered) < 1444512187 511058 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Well, except there are cards in Un- that effect *other games*. < 1444512190 989571 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :people keep mentioning Cheatyface, but the designers have consistently said that its ability only works from hand < 1444512199 778286 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: right, but they aren't played into those games < 1444512201 218664 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Do you know if maybe Extra Pulled does, even if Unglued and Unhinged don't? < 1444512203 347416 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they just affect them < 1444512231 492579 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mmm, true. < 1444512726 230165 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Gatherer comments for Contract from Below mention another variant for ante, a bit similar to my own but not quite < 1444512816 201723 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :good night now < 1444512895 310391 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1444512898 98901 :haavardp!freebsd@haavard.me JOIN :#esoteric < 1444512912 244292 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in < 1444512993 105649 :tromp__!~tromp@rtc35-217.rentec.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1444513024 984124 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1444513042 213676 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1444513043 945730 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1444513061 987118 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :clever idea from comp.lang.c: «#include "/dev/zero"» < 1444513075 396461 :nortti_!nortti@ayu.smar.moe JOIN :#esoteric < 1444513093 34817 :digitalc1ld!~redacted@192.73.232.206 JOIN :#esoteric < 1444513130 439683 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that to ensure it is UNIX? < 1444513143 176743 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or to try to crash the compiler? < 1444513160 278673 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what does that do? < 1444513167 289126 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1444513170 380499 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or to compare what different compilers do when including such a device file? < 1444513176 551402 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Containing zero? < 1444513178 309288 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1444513184 68608 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: on many compilers, it crashes the compiler < 1444513187 60373 :mbrcknl_!sid28171@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qihybhdbjqimsqbv JOIN :#esoteric < 1444513188 306876 :nortti_!nortti@ayu.smar.moe NICK :nortti < 1444513191 161408 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it tries to read the entirety of /dev/zero into memory < 1444513208 311678 :PinealGl1ndOptic!~PinealGla@vps2.conus.info JOIN :#esoteric < 1444513241 842146 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suggested, to see what different compilers do, different compilers might do different things, including some might crash, some might ignore it, or some might display an error message. < 1444513269 556711 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gcc gives an out of memory error message in at least some cases. < 1444513325 192421 :atriq!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io JOIN :#esoteric < 1444513325 524374 :relrod_!~relrod@104.131.193.156 JOIN :#esoteric < 1444513327 607938 :relrod_!~relrod@104.131.193.156 QUIT :Changing host < 1444513327 784904 :relrod_!~relrod@redhat/relrod JOIN :#esoteric < 1444513377 556055 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1444513379 654404 :atriq!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io NICK :Taneb < 1444513407 663662 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-092-072-164-249.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :*.net *.split < 1444513407 663678 :digitalcold!~redacted@unaffiliated/digitalcold QUIT :*.net *.split < 1444513407 663692 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-217.rentec.com QUIT :*.net *.split < 1444513407 663706 :mbrcknl!sid28171@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qzdzvzkrvzgeeugp QUIT :*.net *.split < 1444513407 663770 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@vps2.conus.info QUIT :*.net *.split < 1444513407 663785 :zemhill!bfjoust@selene.zem.fi QUIT :*.net *.split < 1444513407 663797 :haavard!freebsd@haavard.me QUIT :*.net *.split < 1444513407 663811 :kline!~kline@unaffiliated/kline QUIT :*.net *.split < 1444513407 663851 :relrod!~relrod@redhat/relrod QUIT :*.net *.split < 1444513457 266632 :kline!~kline@unaffiliated/kline JOIN :#esoteric < 1444513596 979387 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why not a generalization of the sets where the size of a set can be any real number? < 1444513616 440850 :mbrcknl_!sid28171@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qihybhdbjqimsqbv NICK :mbrcknl < 1444513621 104200 :haavardp!freebsd@haavard.me NICK :haavard < 1444513761 702012 :shikhin!shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1444513896 672344 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a is the letter of the alphabet at index 1. We should invent an esoteric letter at index zero. It should already exist in unicode < 1444513904 379530 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The space, perhaps? < 1444513910 663330 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ is the usual choice. < 1444513915 744907 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1444513930 961542 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, @ < 1444513940 160460 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmpf, what's the lower case @... < 1444513953 574998 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: ` < 1444513958 799565 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :right. < 1444513968 193922 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! c printf("%c", 'A' - 1); < 1444513969 588515 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​@ < 1444513985 665227 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ is way better known though for some reason < 1444513997 36278 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think because it's the ^@. < 1444514000 836501 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :you see ^@ ... < 1444514012 648421 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :... a lot :P < 1444514033 411464 :zemhill!bfjoust@selene.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1444514038 827164 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh? < 1444514041 894807 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh. < 1444514057 331913 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :zemhill: Where did you come from? < 1444514069 55271 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Do you know anything about what happened to your friend? < 1444514069 257975 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: you and whose army, been run out of by a rampaging mob wielding weapons back her up, she'll be back in two days, and they're real i tell you! they've all been targeted! < 1444514082 256367 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :^prefixes < 1444514082 433517 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEgo `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ?, thutubot +, metasepia ~, idris-bot ( , jconn ) , blsqbot ! < 1444514084 448001 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now we'll have to improvise BF Joust programs to keep it happy < 1444514106 598668 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust test >>+++++<+++++<(-)*127(-+)*100000 < 1444514109 476396 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe metasepia will return next < 1444514111 181001 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, wrong bot < 1444514114 909491 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_test: 6.4 < 1444514117 739181 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!zjoust test >>+++++<+++++<(-)*127(-+)*100000 < 1444514119 203247 :zemhill!bfjoust@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523.test: points -11.45, score 11.82, rank 47/47 < 1444514150 527764 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it was just a post-netsplit rejoin. < 1444514169 908046 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um, did EgoBot's reply come before the command to EgoBot... or did the !bfjoust command actually somehow do something? < 1444514194 192945 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: !bfjoust is a command to egobot, !zjoust to zemhil < 1444514195 813606 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*zemhill < 1444514201 900301 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they do the same thing (but the two hills are a little different) < 1444514205 54461 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1444514257 49415 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :!zjoust test (>-)*8(>[+].[-]([.-])*3.)*29 < 1444514257 641095 :zemhill!bfjoust@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas.test: points -23.90, score 6.29, rank 47/47 < 1444514267 400107 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: well, you're on 3 different servers... things like that can happen < 1444514326 601409 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I'm on 3 different servers? What's the third one? < 1444514338 182105 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: ("you" being EgoBot, ais523 and you (gamemanj)) < 1444514346 835787 :evalj!~jeval@BC066B86.catv.pool.telekom.hu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1444514373 305361 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, servers inside this network. < 1444514383 432723 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought there was someone pretending to be me, then! < 1444514402 496992 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I could've phrased that better < 1444514403 165281 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye evalj < 1444514419 952663 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(oh, good morning) < 1444514443 580968 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's midnight here) < 1444514451 556532 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1444514576 767113 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Good morning, sir. Good afternoon, madam." < 1444514916 853707 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot < 1444514917 96815 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: what, the ability to be captured the palladium out, the others. kronsteen v. mcadams oon thu east of paris. made of plaster wasn't the pope! my grandson is seeing the movie! what a tragedy is of use the internet, adam. it could just apply a jolly good. nothing has a bite that big to you, our helpful. ' is phone is still workin' class, guv. < 1444514956 335205 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :jolly good internet... < 1444514959 679534 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1444514959 856525 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc iwcs* jargon lovecraft nethack oots pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube < 1444514966 531478 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1444514973 108919 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes sense... < 1444515024 485796 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that is, the strange mixed vocabulary makes sense, given the mixed nature of the source) < 1444515074 799941 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am trying to make in TeX the comparison of the last few tokens of the expansion of a macro with a the contents of a token list register < 1444515122 678134 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, so apparently some people have made a BF encoding that doesn't do RLE < 1444515126 127935 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in an attempt to golf it < 1444515129 377647 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I fear they are missing the point :-( < 1444515156 314192 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Although it may occur anywhere and does not have to necessarily search only at the end, as the tokens being searched for are guaranteed to only be found at the end if at all.) < 1444515208 52928 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: so what did they do, just use 3 bits per operation? < 1444515222 669431 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: encoded two operations into one ASCII character < 1444515246 241239 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not even with an attempt to adjust for probability < 1444515250 946073 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or markov-probability < 1444515257 556047 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :including +- -+ <> >< I suppose < 1444515302 821672 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you could *naturally* use these for +++ --- <<< and >>>, still ignoring all probabilities) < 1444515415 238982 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it does have encodings for things like <> < 1444515420 72355 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :while simultaneously acknowledging that they're useless < 1444515429 74264 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the source? < 1444515451 779968 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/ShadyAsFuck < 1444515467 644251 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, I could've seen that < 1444515484 362342 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1444515504 463063 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't need ][ either < 1444515526 762208 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, right. < 1444515535 531770 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(except for comments, although it don't work so well in here anyways.) < 1444515608 817290 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess just adding some characters that mean [-] and encode runs of +->< up to length 8 would turn it into a decent encoding. < 1444515682 225948 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I chose 8 because then it should still fit into the printable ASCII range) < 1444515770 592894 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1444515774 330842 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I missed the last column. That's actually a nice touch - having +-<>[]., stand for themselves (paired with a nop). < 1444515961 127850 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so 72 characters taken, of which 5 are useless, so 28 "free" printable characters (avoiding DEL)... yeah that's enough for runs of +-<> of length 3..8. < 1444516088 191943 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah. "., C cat (reads one char and outputs)" < 1444516207 398206 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1444516432 480448 :VictorCL!~VictorCL@67.pool85-50-174.dynamic.orange.es JOIN :#esoteric < 1444516442 949566 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :owie... Process p = Runtime.getRuntime().exec("./main bftemp.temp "+bfin); < 1444517146 640086 :TodPunk!~Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1444517325 605344 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1444517326 842886 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hexham/Hexham es la ciudad mas importante de programación esotérico < 1444517397 726746 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1444517545 863891 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellœrjan. < 1444517551 508476 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1444517585 127327 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boodmidnilyght < 1444517620 642743 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: @ is lowercase, don't you notice that it looks like an "a" (the print kind, not the fancy computer kind) < 1444517672 354766 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not lowercase, because it's 'A' - 1, not 'a' - 1. < 1444517688 501539 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm with fizzie < 1444517694 615639 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I'm going by the alphabet, not by ASCII < 1444517709 818397 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the same thing. < 1444517718 114160 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where did @ even /come/ from? I mean, it's never used except in email addresses usually < 1444517730 601269 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :alphabet semantically coded in integers < 1444517741 791593 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And in made-up^Wrecently-discovered numbers < 1444517759 21052 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just a shorthand of "at", AIUI. < 1444517775 413036 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! c printf("%c", 'a' - 1); < 1444517776 702504 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​` < 1444517781 395236 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was probably used in snailmail < 1444517781 870996 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: There you go < 1444517783 325369 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"-- originally an accounting and commercial invoice abbreviation meaning "at a rate of" (e.g. 7 widgets @ £2 = £14) --" < 1444517788 282212 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1444517797 409519 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: The most likely origin is that it's a ligature of "ad" used by medieval monks. < 1444517804 585471 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1444517812 352971 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :per ardua @ astra < 1444517846 337125 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It certainly does see that usage in old documents. < 1444517899 850790 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, does that mean the part that looks most like an a is actually a d < 1444517900 629761 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ is the zeroth letter of the roman alphabet < 1444517902 869795 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, the Wikipedia article lists four different origin theories, and all four say [citation needed]. < 1444517909 657019 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Tangle bracket language14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44676&oldid=44025 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+23) 10Changed some syntax to allow for more tangling. < 1444517932 281083 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought of a new esoteric control flow thing that is similar to a higher-level computed goto < 1444517932 458294 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The origin is rather a lot less clear than why it got encoded in ASCII in the first place. < 1444517967 5496 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was commonly used in accounting and invoicing at the time in English, and thus considered a needed character in ASCII. :) < 1444518001 729613 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@counting < 1444518001 906660 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1444518010 143076 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@thanks lambdabot < 1444518010 320087 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are welcome < 1444518022 382985 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Tangle bracket language14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44677&oldid=44676 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+14) 10Increased accuracy, bringing a sentence in line with CS philosophical constructs and such < 1444518032 991819 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone curious what it is? < 1444518047 757784 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1444518054 900325 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: Sure. < 1444518061 21600 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Great! < 1444518068 378626 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's basically this: Controlled end < 1444518081 553150 :trn!jhj@trnsz.com QUIT :Quit: quit < 1444518088 753004 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or "End Instruction" or, as a subset, "conditional end" < 1444518098 389732 :trn!jhj@trnsz.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1444518152 520577 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe JOIN :#esoteric < 1444518235 238088 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the alphabet has 32 letters, namely: @ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ[\]^_ < 1444518262 55397 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Observe the following code: < 1444518263 65401 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastebin.com/t99cBmwj < 1444518290 440696 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider its implications. Note that IF can mean different things in different contexts, and that an extra END instruction is ignored < 1444518297 708313 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone whould make a language where @ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ[\]^_ and `abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz{|}~ are alphabtic characters, and names are case-insensitive. < 1444518307 341329 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: IRC is like that IIRC < 1444518342 998941 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why would {|} be the lower case of [\] and not vice versa? < 1444518351 796006 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems like it should be that way < 1444518361 841018 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: because ASCII < 1444518368 377567 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. Of course. < 1444518400 955961 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So conditional if is kind of strange, right? < 1444518409 731225 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be REALLY hard to compile xD < 1444518599 580662 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The RFC2812 case mapping only extends to the "[]\~" / "{}|^" characters, not the rest. < 1444518600 752951 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... how is IF x THEN a; END IF y; b; END different from IF x THEN a; b; ELSE b; END < 1444518640 941228 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... how is IF x THEN a; END IF y; b; END different from IF x THEN a; b; ELSE IF y THEN b; END < 1444518654 171031 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. < 1444518670 762801 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It doesn't matter much, because @ is not valid in nicks or channel names anyway.) < 1444518701 782293 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion{1}: does this work? < 1444518747 130535 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: I suppose those two are the same. < 1444518750 912703 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's still weird though < 1444518764 101826 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, that isn't the only available thing. < 1444518786 842773 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can also do END FOREACH(x in l) < 1444518792 107998 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And of course it's not strictly "because of ASCII", it's because of the national ISO-646 variants have e.g. (in case of Finnish) ÄÖÅ for [\] and äöå for {|}. (Of course *that* case mapping is because of ASCII.) < 1444518800 215818 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which'll end the number of tiems in the length of the list < 1444518806 762184 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*times < 1444518848 732827 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume \oren\ is typing something large < 1444518860 595343 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah < 1444518888 961302 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm still trying to imagine what the end foreach woudl do < 1444518921 663308 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: It would end repeatedly < 1444518954 531204 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So if you're 20 levels nested deep, and l is seven elements long, it's like BREAK with a CONTINUE a at the 13th level < 1444518970 557620 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa < 1444518977 485307 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The x variable is never actually employed, so it's just a weird syntax < 1444519002 126405 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :END WHILE isn't provided for because that'd just hang forever, unless you have some introspection available < 1444519013 374571 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Either it'd hang forever, or it'd break out completely < 1444519016 202763 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And keep breaking < 1444519021 61121 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Until it escaped from the computer < 1444519027 923311 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then reality < 1444519043 490913 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your program would keep exiting its containments forever, and until the end of time < 1444519066 132033 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Type systems are based on Classical Logic, correct? < 1444519148 559525 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<\oren{_> Hmm... so the first letter of wiki urls can be upper or lowercase and it goes to the uppercase version <-- that's at least somewhat customizable, wiktionary distinguishes them < 1444519189 255870 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: MediaWiki is, by default, case-insensitive in the first letter of a page (but none of the others) < 1444519193 485622 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find this to be a sensible default < 1444519240 974051 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :blurgh < 1444519249 471571 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think there may also be a special case for ALLCAPS < 1444519273 9457 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should be able to depend on the particular aritcle < 1444519292 493420 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: there's a special case in the /search/ for allcaps < 1444519297 312319 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1444519300 76536 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it doesn't affect the page names in any way < 1444519354 813841 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Type systems are based on Classical Logic, correct? <-- no, intuitionistic usually < 1444519359 539889 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1444519369 344562 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't understand how they are based on it xD < 1444519379 141473 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :classical is equivalent to having unlimited continuations < 1444519419 742933 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah? < 1444519439 844825 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t callCC < 1444519440 879100 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :MonadCont m => ((a -> m b) -> m a) -> m a < 1444519461 191734 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't exactly understand how a type system can be based on a logic at all. Unless it's in haskell. Haskell is weird. < 1444519469 229929 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :removing the monads, callCC has the type ((a -> b) -> a) -> a and you cannot make a function like that without continuations < 1444519506 180812 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ((a -> b) -> a) -> a is one of the theorems that hold in classical logic but not intuitionistic < 1444519519 501353 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The part of the type system based on a logic has nothing to do with strong|weak*static|dynamic typing, correct? < 1444519537 362048 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :type systems in that sense imply static < 1444519543 341489 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1444519551 628673 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if it's weak, then the type system is probably inconsistent < 1444519551 805707 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And a language could, in theory, use any form of logic as its type system? < 1444519567 349456 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well many forms anyway < 1444519579 396197 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1444519584 680732 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such as Temporal, perhaps? < 1444519585 910635 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :anything that can be fit into the sequent or natural deduction style of logic < 1444519610 953512 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. istr temporal logic corresponds to the types of functional reactive programming < 1444519612 980678 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A Modal μ-calculus type system programming language? < 1444519621 2214 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1444519647 337564 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :monads are sort of modal logic < 1444519705 154321 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. Reactive Programming looks interesting. < 1444519721 837879 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'll go learn a functional reactive programming language < 1444519796 904832 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<\oren\> it should be able to depend on the particular aritcle <-- i think at least wiktionary will redirect to the other if the current one doesn't exist < 1444519917 378317 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: functional reactive programming is a _style_ of programming. you can do it in haskell, there are several libraries. < 1444519930 277683 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1444519932 771052 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well. < 1444519944 724752 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I already installed a language called Elm which appears to be based around it xD < 1444519951 653314 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It compiles to HTML5 < 1444519956 824796 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there are also some that... right i was about to mention that < 1444519994 511761 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :HTML5 includes javascript? because i'm pretty sure you cannot compile much into plain html. < 1444520081 282223 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Of course it can't compile to plain HTML xD < 1444520099 612994 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm /pretty/ sure "HTML5" is a blanket term for HTML, CSS, and JS < 1444520106 91587 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's how I learned it < 1444520109 508926 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'm probably wrong < 1444520119 963510 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think for haskell reactive banana has a certain momentum. i mean who can resist heinrich apfelmus' fruitiness... < 1444520155 138157 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: i cannot deny it, anyway. < 1444520184 783677 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :my knowledge about html5 is like a vague osmosis from seeing people discuss it. < 1444520274 429433 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION still hasn't added either css or js to his unmaintained webpage.
< 1444520452 586469 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if there was a language with a "reactive" variable keyword? Where you can declare reactive x=y+5 and it will ALWAYS be y+5? < 1444520523 413437 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically, I'd like to see a language that is a conglomorate of all previous programming languages < 1444520534 721468 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yet still as minimalistic as possible < 1444520544 536099 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Producing a big, beautiful, complicated mess < 1444520549 922597 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: Forth < 1444520553 567223 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Oh < 1444520571 108106 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you define the syntax and semantics at runtime < 1444520573 871300 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the core language is very simple < 1444520624 301522 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cool. < 1444520651 273605 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd still like to make a language like that. One with support for many different programming paradigms, all rolled into one < 1444520715 397789 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Designed by comittee, but a smart comittee. < 1444520857 474553 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Making it only /sort of/ bad < 1444521010 230660 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's kind of insulting towards everyone who's ever been in a language design committee. < 1444521025 686352 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which part? < 1444521049 318104 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the part that implies most language design committees aren't smart < 1444521176 377053 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Well I never said *your* particular language design committee wasn't, and really it's the committee as a whole that isn't smart. I'm sure the individual members are intelligent human beings, but a bunch of intelligent human beings together often actually will be percieved to have a /lower/ IQ than the group really does. Because smart people overthink some things, and groups of smart people overthink /everything/, which is why < 1444521176 593506 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :having the language designed by a commitee like I was considering isn't going to work < 1444521195 382099 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: I'm not really on language design commitees < 1444521212 996109 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you count Verity, which you shouldn't really < 1444521221 180647 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*your* meant "You", not you yourself, "you" the reader who has been on a language design commitee < 1444521223 640068 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's not a normal sort of committee model) < 1444521233 245819 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : tswett: tswellott. I think the text cuts off prematurely. <-- as long as it's in the wisdom/ < 1444521275 473647 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` \? delve | tail -c 100 < 1444521276 498753 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :l or alternative cost and applies only after the total cost of the spell with delve is determined. < 1444521277 392251 :WashIrving!~Qfwfq@unaffiliated/washirving JOIN :#esoteric < 1444521301 107494 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? delve < 1444521302 20230 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Delve is a static ability that functions while the spell with delve is on the stack. “Delve” means “For each generic mana in this spell’s total cost, you may exile a card from your graveyard rather than pay that mana.” The delve ability isn’t an additional or alternative cost and applies only after the total cost of the spell with delve < 1444521302 492324 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: I want to create the Ultimate Programming Language. < 1444521308 370090 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'll be... < 1444521320 670883 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do we have the rules for delve from M:tG in our wisdombot? < 1444521332 705331 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: find the culprits! < 1444521339 725675 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`culprits wisdom/delve < 1444521341 162642 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett < 1444521342 426542 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'll be about twice as complicated as standard Haskell, perhaps? It won't actually be particularly simple. < 1444521344 479796 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that explains who but not why < 1444521365 263744 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :So that people who are wondering what the rules for delve are can look them up in HackEgo. < 1444521379 420457 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the features I give you will be basic. Very basic. Very fundamental. < 1444521380 844587 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that a particularly common thing to wonder about though? < 1444521382 161905 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such wow. < 1444521382 847375 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? convoke < 1444521383 581914 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :convoke? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1444521397 631258 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? affinity < 1444521398 384837 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :affinity? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1444521403 516108 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(spot the common theme) < 1444521403 693249 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? magic < 1444521404 484332 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :magic? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1444521418 530798 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :magic isn't a cost-reducing ability :-P < 1444521476 29498 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want to create the Ultimate Programming Language. I just want to create a Good Programming Language. < 1444521479 194809 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Enchanted Drake. 3B. Creature – Dragon. 2/2. Trample, haste, magic. < 1444521486 169735 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn The magic was in you all along. < 1444521488 899543 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'magic': The magic was in you all along. < 1444521496 236990 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note that my Ultimate Programming Language won't be a very good programming language for everyday use. < 1444521516 236208 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'll essentially force you to create language features before doing anything useful. < 1444521541 766103 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Want to write a function which reverses a list? Okay, first you have to tell my language just what you mean by a "function". < 1444521548 978938 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: trample+haste in /black/? < 1444521551 865403 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously? < 1444521561 48649 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/B/U/, not that that's much better. < 1444521562 85662 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(black can have tramplers but not at power 2) < 1444521571 758563 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you mean like a Haskell function? A primitive recursive function? < 1444521572 898232 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't tell if tswett is trying to make fun of me, or... < 1444521573 654624 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, that's arguably worse < 1444521584 332190 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I'm being totally serious. < 1444521586 310625 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: That is fine, try to make such programming language, may be good