< 1445126799 126044 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1445126881 301722 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1445128280 294860 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1445129571 267861 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1445129889 461725 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@247-3-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1445130219 867031 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1445130455 517896 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@247-3-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1445130864 33916 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavellon[1]. < 1445131293 563835 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar CYUL < 1445131293 945163 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYUL 180100Z 30004KT 15SM SKC 01/M06 A3018 RMK SLP221 < 1445131298 8734 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar CYYZ < 1445131298 467104 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYYZ 180100Z 29009KT 270V330 15SM FEW040 02/M03 A3027 RMK SC1 SLP257 < 1445131308 167029 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar ENVA < 1445131308 705478 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :ENVA 180050Z 09003KT 050V130 9999 BKN021 08/08 Q1025 RMK WIND 670FT 23007KT < 1445131788 901930 :Tangos!4e448fe8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.78.68.143.232 JOIN :#esoteric < 1445131795 94705 :Tangos!4e448fe8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.78.68.143.232 PART :#esoteric < 1445132478 786885 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@247-3-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still want to see an ultra-minimalistic markup language < 1445132485 518099 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@247-3-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :With a Brainfucky appearence < 1445132787 99843 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@247-3-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone? < 1445132789 206447 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@247-3-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily? < 1445132799 492734 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, was thinking of something ^^ < 1445132805 731229 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or about something. < 1445132810 274772 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe at something. < 1445132816 696309 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@247-3-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It doesn't need to be Brainfucky, but it should at least not look normal.) < 1445132845 390111 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should be based upon troff, but more compacter. < 1445132849 817772 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@247-3-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :troff? < 1445132852 925081 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@247-3-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll look it up < 1445132864 781206 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you ever dissected a man page? < 1445132874 953174 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1445132898 848217 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@247-3-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm... < 1445132904 37645 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :I,I "have you ever dissected a man" page < 1445132906 51563 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@247-3-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: Not usually. < 1445132953 69843 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellørjan. only a fish, a bird, a piglet, a beef eye, and I think a frog too? < 1445132964 934866 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@247-3-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe not ultraminimalistic, but based on some esoteric paradigm. Perhaps it should be malbolgy? < 1445132979 774161 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@247-3-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or even Unlambdic or Befungual < 1445133017 554513 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is happy to see that hppavilion[1] is now vocabularily corrupted :')
< 1445133029 559414 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@247-3-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1445133040 543868 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@247-3-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I've said "lambdic" before xD < 1445133060 260243 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@247-3-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe in proper grammar, but also that you should be able to make up words on the fly xD < 1445133062 368274 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :The Corruptic Channello | ɛ̃ˈglɪʃ spɛˈliŋ ʀɘfɔʀm/ | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ | https://esolangs.org/ < 1445133108 774557 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@247-3-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps LML? LISP Markup Language? Probably not eso enough... < 1445133139 55762 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@247-3-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the idea of a Combinatorial Markup Language < 1445133174 142814 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :infix formatting operators? < 1445133183 938598 :mauris__!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1445133194 918033 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@247-3-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooooh < 1445133201 577904 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@247-3-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Instead of Outfix? < 1445133420 505673 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Markup Λanguage14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=44783 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+344) 10Initialized Page < 1445133447 1564 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Markup Λanguage14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44784&oldid=44783 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+0) 10Fixed a link < 1445133559 908994 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@247-3-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I imagine that to say "Hello, World!" in italics, one would do something like "i'Hello, world!" where i is the italicization combinator and ' is the quote combinator < 1445133600 657266 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@247-3-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or perhaps just i"Hello, World!" where "Hello, World!" is syntactic ~sugar (~ because there's no "pure" way to do it) to make a string... < 1445133613 281011 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@247-3-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And from here we will get tables xD < 1445133771 123514 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :syntactic dextrose. < 1445135181 576470 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@247-3-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1445135430 772930 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :syntactic artificial sweetener: resembles syntactic sugar but is actually designed to do nothing < 1445135523 201571 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :syntaspartame. bletch. < 1445135600 751206 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? I,I < 1445135601 477254 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I,I? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1445135663 142659 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what's I,I twh < 1445135786 106801 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1445135813 147404 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a mystery to keep me asleeply awake. < 1445135816 906877 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: FUNKY CHICKEN < 1445135874 432473 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1445135914 931876 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :syntactic tabasco: does nothing new but makes your program more complex < 1445136187 867261 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think syntactic hot sauce would make people who aren't used to reading it panick when they first 'taste' it. < 1445136217 738653 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :he may never know < 1445136232 185795 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it would be code obfuscation, since spice in plants is a defense mechanism? < 1445136255 857110 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :syntactic cellulose < 1445136271 222687 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hard to write, hard to read < 1445136285 391263 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but _very_ efficient. < 1445136301 849027 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is latex esozeric enough for this channel? :> < 1445136318 120202 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION swats myname -----###
< 1445136362 136685 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think there's a programming language based on Latex? < 1445136381 762984 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is, it's called "Latex" hth < 1445136383 755347 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, there's LaTeX itself. < 1445136411 911105 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I thought it was jsut a text formatting thing. < 1445136421 784201 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And not an actual programming language. < 1445136422 333757 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i am trying to build a union find structure in latex < 1445136422 463039 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is, but it's Turing complete. < 1445136457 41780 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's actually a TeX formatting thing. < 1445136457 864945 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I meant more, something that evaluates a calculus statement written in LaTeX.. < 1445136459 996522 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my basic idea was just to rewrite the find command every time.i call union with a wrapped ifthenelse around the old one < 1445136484 950395 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: i once wrote a brainfuck interpreter in latex < 1445136554 518407 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\newcommand{\union}[2]{\renewcommand{\find}[1]{\ifthenelse{\equal{##1}{#2}}{#1}{\find{##1}}}} < 1445136557 522678 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\newcommand{\find}[1]{#1} < 1445136561 849366 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I guess something that takes math written in LaTeX and converts it to combinational logic code. < 1445136563 359106 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is my first try < 1445136590 194270 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it exceeds stack size though < 1445136628 899551 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want to find a way to force expanding the inner call of \find with what the current definition is < 1445136637 281047 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have no clue, though < 1445136672 861067 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am reading about all this delicious \expandafter and \csname stuff on the internet, but i am still clueless < 1445136752 444217 :bender|!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 JOIN :#esoteric < 1445137740 949664 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=48 – this is quite the errata. < 1445137741 126827 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Part of it: 'When Animate Dead enters the battlefield, if it's on the battlefield, it loses "enchant creature card in a graveyard" and gains "enchant creature put onto the battlefield with Animate Dead."' < 1445139074 843014 :j-bot!~j-bot@li1285-84.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1445139081 20161 :j-bot!~j-bot@li1285-84.members.linode.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1445139160 584544 :j-bot!~j-bot@li1285-84.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1445139304 648753 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know what \expandafter and \csname are and have used it a lot < 1445139365 666130 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :They are primitive commands in TeX. The \expandafter command read two tokens; the second one is expanded and then the first one is reinserted before. The \csname command contains character tokens and then expand as the control sequence with that name. < 1445139498 772521 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can use \csname to make a kind of key/value hash table. There is also \string to convert a control sequence name into a list of character tokens. < 1445139566 91680 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1445139634 304162 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have implemented a index generator in TeX which stores the index entries in control sequence names; each one starts with ^^81 and then the text of the index entry, and is defined as a macro that expands as the control sequence of the next entry followed by one or two tokens for each page number it references. Sorting is also implemented. < 1445139682 694686 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I have designed the scheme like this to save memory) < 1445140377 316845 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat JOIN :#esoteric < 1445140392 654854 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, does this pseudo-assembly language dessigned as a scripting language to be loaded into a parsing sketch from sd look any good? https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/98841263/HYDRA%200002%20Commands%20%2800%20-%201F%29.pdf < 1445140428 149405 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :sketch is the code that goes into an arduino < 1445140447 806885 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :was originally typed with arduino context obvious < 1445140544 712963 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello world (well, outputting "Hello\n"): SET 0 'H'; PUT 0; SET 0 'e'; PUT 0; SET 0 'l'; PUT 0; SET 0 'l'; PUT 0; SET 0 '\n'; PUT 0; STOP; < 1445140629 789733 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made this languange iand i haven't got the faintest idea how to program in it < 1445140802 595199 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1445140848 572168 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders who is not away, as he client refeuses to tell her
< 1445140880 444665 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1445140900 382249 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :(my irc gender varies randomly) < 1445141010 578855 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :printf("Hi.\n") is: SET 0 'H'; PUT 0; SET 0 'i'; PUT 0; SET 0 '.'; PUT 0; SET 0 '\n'; PUT 0; STOP; < 1445141375 428061 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDream < 1445141480 734460 :bender|!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1445141498 779217 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Enchant Aura with "Enchant Aura with 'Enchant creature'". Enchanted Aura has "Enchanted Aura has 'Enchanted creature gets +4/+4.'" < 1445141632 243601 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1445141670 442591 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Client Quit < 1445141773 895216 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PART :#esoteric < 1445141802 580172 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@247-3-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1445141902 430099 :bender|!~benderx2@2404:e800:e61a:41d:f5ed:e715:cc22:3dc4 JOIN :#esoteric < 1445141912 897136 :bender|!~benderx2@2404:e800:e61a:41d:f5ed:e715:cc22:3dc4 QUIT :Changing host < 1445141913 74276 :bender|!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 JOIN :#esoteric < 1445141939 577453 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@247-3-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's an idea for an Esoteric Social Network: No CSS < 1445141960 367611 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@247-3-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and possibly no style=) < 1445142375 164527 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@247-3-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am now obsessed with the concept of Esoteric Social Networks. Humans: Idealize! < 1445143227 477166 :aretecode!~aretecode@64.120.6.170 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1445143549 687015 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@247-3-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I'm going to take the description from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_networking_service and forgo everything it says is in a SN. The INTERCAL of Social Networks, if you will < 1445144285 109673 :staffehn_!~quassel@2001:41d0:52:d00::1d3 JOIN :#esoteric < 1445144287 314480 :erdic_!~erdic@unaffiliated/motley JOIN :#esoteric < 1445144293 486181 :pikhq_!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 JOIN :#esoteric < 1445144507 163710 :Lymee!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe JOIN :#esoteric < 1445144595 775990 :bender|!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1445144595 953405 :staffehn!~quassel@2001:41d0:52:d00::1d3 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1445144595 953421 :sewilton!sid32560@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kplgvosnsouabbou QUIT :*.net *.split < 1445144595 953451 :erdic!~erdic@unaffiliated/motley QUIT :*.net *.split < 1445144595 953466 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe QUIT :*.net *.split < 1445144595 953494 :nchambers!nchambers@compilerdev.net QUIT :*.net *.split < 1445144595 953508 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1445144595 953540 :clog!~nef@bespin.org QUIT :*.net *.split < 1445144595 953553 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera QUIT :*.net *.split < 1445144595 953567 :erdic_!~erdic@unaffiliated/motley NICK :erdic < 1445144595 953606 :Lymee!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe NICK :Lymia < 1445144630 340453 :izabera!~izabera@ec2-52-25-138-238.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1445144741 641778 :aretecode!~aretecode@64.120.6.170 JOIN :#esoteric < 1445144926 520824 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@247-3-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hizabera! < 1445144980 159237 :bender|!~sid123@2404:e800:e61a:41d:f5ed:e715:cc22:3dc4 JOIN :#esoteric < 1445144980 336489 :bender|!~sid123@2404:e800:e61a:41d:f5ed:e715:cc22:3dc4 QUIT :Changing host < 1445144980 336565 :bender|!~sid123@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 JOIN :#esoteric < 1445145029 548055 :bender|!~sid123@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 NICK :bender < 1445145090 506585 :clog!~nef@bespin.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1445145103 909530 :sewilton!sid32560@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vdsznpzuxjcxlhct JOIN :#esoteric < 1445145131 555140 :nchambers!nchambers@compilerdev.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1445145864 245155 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :exit < 1445145868 183002 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :quit < 1445145871 36405 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1445145971 699171 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999918.dsl.bell.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1445146062 549001 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@247-3-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1445146785 243932 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do electric showers not exist in the US? < 1445146950 626306 :|f`-`|f!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1445147525 220722 :|f`-`|f!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1445147992 3857 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: shocking < 1445149021 567568 :Hoolootwo!~Hoolootwo@you.know.what.toasters.rocks PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's an electric shower? < 1445150263 151854 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :not qualified to answer that < 1445150947 360750 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1445151351 390374 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TmjtCW_gHIA ? < 1445151425 913169 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is not a convincing advertisement for electric showers. < 1445151470 460756 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, who wouldn't want a shower that has difficulty pumping hot water? < 1445151653 610946 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@247-3-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1445154729 387957 :zadock!~outsider@81.180.210.219 JOIN :#esoteric < 1445155189 416277 :MoALTz!~no@78.11.179.104 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1445155487 890477 :singingboyo!~brandonso@d50-98-172-252.bchsia.telus.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1445156541 911998 :zadock!~outsider@81.180.210.219 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1445157172 363122 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1445157442 808711 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1445157604 680684 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :A shower of sparks < 1445157702 940909 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1445157813 554692 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@247-3-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Signed Boolean heh heh < 1445158041 251696 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is -true even more false or another kind of true? < 1445158068 707655 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :-true = filenotfoun < 1445158070 211828 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :*d < 1445158091 871608 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1445158131 497602 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@247-3-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1445159401 256365 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :+True stands for positivistic truth < 1445162038 591084 :typical_username!1fb2a091@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.178.160.145 JOIN :#esoteric < 1445162056 550844 :typical_username!1fb2a091@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.178.160.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello, would you like to play a game with me < 1445162083 570890 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it involve weapons? < 1445162123 462661 :typical_username!1fb2a091@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.178.160.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather not < 1445162135 92164 :typical_username!1fb2a091@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.178.160.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but who knows what people do when they lose games right < 1445162168 759982 :Hoolootwo!~Hoolootwo@you.know.what.toasters.rocks PRIVMSG #esoteric :weapons are how you win games < 1445162226 68940 :typical_username!1fb2a091@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.178.160.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn't sum 0 < 1445162227 545683 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a board i can flip < 1445162267 14163 :typical_username!1fb2a091@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.178.160.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can flip text on one of those silly sides, and tell everyone else to do the same < 1445162291 331153 :typical_username!1fb2a091@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.178.160.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sites < 1445162424 531689 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-247-16.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1445162436 407808 :typical_username!1fb2a091@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.178.160.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i would like to tell you idea of esolang i got < 1445162455 166077 :typical_username!1fb2a091@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.178.160.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it would be nice if you told me if it was created before < 1445162665 937560 :typical_username!1fb2a091@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.178.160.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it would have only one symbol command whatever < 1445162678 709021 :typical_username!1fb2a091@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.178.160.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the \n < 1445162692 268999 :typical_username!1fb2a091@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.178.160.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and variables, only booleans < 1445162732 140606 :typical_username!1fb2a091@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.178.160.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :every line would have to be a variable name < 1445162772 447740 :typical_username!1fb2a091@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.178.160.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first you type is declared and its forever True < 1445162810 975924 :typical_username!1fb2a091@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.178.160.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you can only declare by connecting < 1445162856 41291 :typical_username!1fb2a091@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.178.160.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :connecting is done by variablename \n variablename < 1445162882 132359 :typical_username!1fb2a091@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.178.160.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :connection send True to the second val if first is false < 1445162892 241625 :typical_username!1fb2a091@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.178.160.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :your turn < 1445162975 593535 :MDream!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDude < 1445163385 553428 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what,happens if the first var is already true? (that,is, the beginning of every prlgram) < 1445163506 866027 :typical_username!1fb2a091@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.178.160.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont understand < 1445163511 640263 :typical_username!1fb2a091@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.178.160.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its forever True < 1445163531 660665 :typical_username!1fb2a091@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.178.160.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"sends True" works like OR < 1445163574 659258 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh? < 1445163586 867900 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i do a\nb < 1445163593 606210 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a is true due to your definition < 1445163599 66197 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what happens to b? < 1445163617 990179 :typical_username!1fb2a091@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.178.160.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :every line would have to be a variable name < 1445163637 958916 :typical_username!1fb2a091@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.178.160.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you cant put two names in one line < 1445163659 347768 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-247-16.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1445163682 802618 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't < 1445163705 719864 :typical_username!1fb2a091@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.178.160.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what is n in "a\nb" < 1445163715 219473 :typical_username!1fb2a091@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.178.160.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1445163716 600781 :typical_username!1fb2a091@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.178.160.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1445163718 696759 :typical_username!1fb2a091@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.178.160.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :im stupid < 1445163729 372351 :typical_username!1fb2a091@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.178.160.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1445163731 964900 :typical_username!1fb2a091@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.178.160.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1445163750 350868 :typical_username!1fb2a091@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.178.160.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :connection sends True if the first val is False < 1445163765 633104 :typical_username!1fb2a091@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.178.160.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right i should tell that every val is False on start < 1445163780 435423 :typical_username!1fb2a091@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.178.160.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :really the first doesnt have to be true < 1445163803 834543 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so on a\nb a is false and b is true? < 1445163816 396625 :typical_username!1fb2a091@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.178.160.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :from now on yes < 1445163826 313944 :typical_username!1fb2a091@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.178.160.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so first is just like every other < 1445163847 67455 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does something happen if the first is true? < 1445163859 931708 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. a\nb\nc - what will happen to c? < 1445163871 221195 :typical_username!1fb2a091@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.178.160.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :c is false < 1445163873 551264 :typical_username!1fb2a091@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.178.160.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1445163874 837027 :typical_username!1fb2a091@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.178.160.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1445163914 775805 :typical_username!1fb2a091@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.178.160.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it really works like {x to z} {z to p} {x to d} < 1445163932 653563 :typical_username!1fb2a091@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.178.160.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so number of lines has to ben %2==0 < 1445163956 758824 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, a\nb\nb\nc then < 1445163976 636420 :typical_username!1fb2a091@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.178.160.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so a false < 1445163978 952554 :typical_username!1fb2a091@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.178.160.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b true < 1445164001 553821 :typical_username!1fb2a091@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.178.160.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :connection doesnt send anything to c so its false < 1445164014 313819 :typical_username!1fb2a091@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.178.160.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like 'no signal' < 1445164016 462383 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do ypu do anything non-static with it? < 1445164043 853669 :typical_username!1fb2a091@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.178.160.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whats static < 1445164056 557025 :typical_username!1fb2a091@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.178.160.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :h < 1445164059 126332 :typical_username!1fb2a091@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.178.160.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :showing no change < 1445164087 241595 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan how do norwegians pronounce 'sylow' < 1445164087 418705 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1445164111 503033 :typical_username!1fb2a091@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.178.160.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have to code it ok < 1445164124 792793 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't have any kind of looping < 1445164129 858652 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd need that < 1445164248 860442 :typical_username!1fb2a091@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.178.160.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :{space instead of \n} what about "a b b c c a" < 1445164291 662892 :izabera!~izabera@ec2-52-25-138-238.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com QUIT :Changing host < 1445164291 877438 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera JOIN :#esoteric < 1445164341 204303 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you define evaluation there? will it loop from the end of file? will it flip everything simultaniously? < 1445164368 851822 :typical_username!1fb2a091@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.178.160.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is "turns" a correct answer < 1445164373 87033 :typical_username!1fb2a091@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.178.160.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1445164424 455393 :typical_username!1fb2a091@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.178.160.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything takes turn in one time < 1445164483 628136 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so on your example: everything is false at the beginning, so a b sets b true, b c sets c true, c a sets a true. now everything is true and execution halts < 1445164517 600547 :typical_username!1fb2a091@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.178.160.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does b set c true < 1445164538 537748 :typical_username!1fb2a091@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.178.160.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :connection sends True only if the first var is False < 1445164541 724460 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because b is false. if it is execited at the same time as a b ... < 1445164565 826105 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b is only true if b c is executed AFTER a b < 1445164614 344444 :typical_username!1fb2a091@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.178.160.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i messed up the example < 1445164635 180172 :typical_username!1fb2a091@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.178.160.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"a b b a"? < 1445164663 287402 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also: you currently have no way to set anything to false, so loops may not work infinitely often unless they do nothing < 1445164726 981839 :typical_username!1fb2a091@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.178.160.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont understand "infinitely often" < 1445164739 628013 :typical_username!1fb2a091@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.178.160.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :could you please explain < 1445164755 477793 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you do while(true) { do something } < 1445164831 475811 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's assume your example: a sets b true, b c doesn't do anything, c sets a true. of you repeat that: a b doesn't do anything, b c doesn't do anything, c a doesn't do anything < 1445164832 564306 :aretecode!~aretecode@64.120.6.170 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1445165010 730786 :typical_username!1fb2a091@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.178.160.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :turn1 a,b,c=false I turn2 a=false b,c=true I turn 3 a,b,c=false < 1445165027 836502 :typical_username!1fb2a091@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.178.160.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no actually a=true in turn2 < 1445165061 521668 :typical_username!1fb2a091@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.178.160.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right? < 1445165099 230198 :typical_username!1fb2a091@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.178.160.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so its oscillating between everything false and true < 1445165190 245983 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do they become false again? < 1445165213 997858 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :your only rule was "if the first thing is false, the second will be true" < 1445165232 567043 :typical_username!1fb2a091@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.178.160.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup < 1445165243 124899 :typical_username!1fb2a091@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.178.160.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so on turn 2 everything is True < 1445165255 997229 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, why is everything false in turn 3 < 1445165260 128722 :typical_username!1fb2a091@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.178.160.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So nothing sends true signal < 1445165267 130510 :typical_username!1fb2a091@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.178.160.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :when everything is true < 1445165288 734423 :typical_username!1fb2a091@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.178.160.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i should add "you become false if you dont get any True signal" < 1445165305 489696 :typical_username!1fb2a091@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.178.160.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i thought its obvious < 1445165312 100447 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't make sense < 1445165315 197940 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a b < 1445165330 371370 :typical_username!1fb2a091@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.178.160.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1445165359 129808 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b should become true, because a is false. but now b should also become false, since it doesn't get any true signals < 1445165401 159605 :typical_username!1fb2a091@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.178.160.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats from turn 2 to 3 < 1445165429 46901 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? they are both true the same time < 1445165431 179393 :typical_username!1fb2a091@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.178.160.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :from 1 to 2 a was setted true by initially false c < 1445165437 449819 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could say: something becomes false if it ONLY gets true signals < 1445165451 731229 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no no, just the program "a b" < 1445165456 626849 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what will b be? < 1445165471 178238 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if should be both true and false at the same time due to your stated rules < 1445165489 795004 :typical_username!1fb2a091@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.178.160.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :turn 1 a,b=false I turn 2 a=false,b=true Iturn 3 same as 2 < 1445165556 259295 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is b true in turn 2? < 1445165575 741268 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you said: "you become false if you dont get any True signal" < 1445165583 973178 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b doesn't get any true signal < 1445165587 597978 :typical_username!1fb2a091@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.178.160.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it gets it from a < 1445165589 969066 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so b should become false. < 1445165595 981480 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, a is false < 1445165619 193210 :typical_username!1fb2a091@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.178.160.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1445165629 183420 :typical_username!1fb2a091@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.178.160.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its negation < 1445165633 867055 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1445165641 885098 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you have a nand or a nor < 1445165643 63426 :typical_username!1fb2a091@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.178.160.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i said it in first set of rules < 1445165648 245961 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is actually valid < 1445165678 489965 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nand and nor are both functionally completr < 1445165678 900207 :typical_username!1fb2a091@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.178.160.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"connection send True to the second val if first is false" < 1445165696 322679 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can do anything in np with this < 1445165740 451475 :typical_username!1fb2a091@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.178.160.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right? < 1445165791 631969 :typical_username!1fb2a091@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.178.160.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my real question was "was it created before" < 1445165840 169524 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it is a hard version of writing down circuits < 1445165888 402665 :typical_username!1fb2a091@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.178.160.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :true, but writing down circuits isnt yet a programming language, true? < 1445166006 130326 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure, i would say funciton is a bit like it even thoughbit claims not to be. but i don't know that many languages < 1445166133 552599 :typical_username!1fb2a091@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.178.160.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wanted to add like classes and #define so it would be something more < 1445166219 380529 :typical_username!1fb2a091@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.178.160.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then there could be classes like input, output or random < 1445166283 149805 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :" I know what \expandafter and \csname are and have used it a lot" -- I think you also need to have used \futurelet and possible \afterassignment a lot to be a true TeX hacker < 1445166307 945388 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf is futurelet < 1445166464 155982 :typical_username!1fb2a091@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.178.160.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its not stopping the future, so i guess 'pass' < 1445167489 935875 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1445167762 96055 :mauris__!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric < 1445167845 107852 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have used \afterassignment a lot too, and \futurelet a bit < 1445167953 137505 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :good < 1445168126 638784 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@message \oren\ I think again you have a character in your demo page that doesn't have a glyph in the font < 1445168126 815892 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you meant: messages messages-loud messages? < 1445168130 514684 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell \oren\ I think again you have a character in your demo page that doesn't have a glyph in the font < 1445168130 691566 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1445168291 514497 :typical_username!1fb2a091@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.178.160.145 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1445168798 851659 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I have never needed to use insertions with negative factor or negative extra space, although I have used insertion class with a factor and extra space of zero. < 1445169046 120073 :mauris__!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1445169262 491111 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://slapit.me/ must see < 1445169372 869870 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know what i want for christmas < 1445169401 859508 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tomorrow is the 12th anniversary of the death of Ken Iverson < 1445169421 155836 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have also used the macro like this a lot: \def\ecall#1{\begingroup\edef\next{\endgroup#1}\next} < 1445169491 17004 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-092-072-164-249.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Quit: Terminated < 1445169552 729533 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-092-072-164-249.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1445169941 860973 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait wait < 1445169965 923310 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :in http://www.dangermouse.net/esoteric/bit.html , DMM writes "This is actually true of all programming languages" in the context of esolangs? < 1445170022 217815 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks like that is what is written. < 1445170029 352459 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1445170040 276135 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :he was probably not yet enough of an esolanger when he wrote that < 1445170054 642870 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :true esolangers don't dare to write such a universal quantification < 1445170090 15709 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1445170098 475832 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you are correct; many thing might end up wrong if you are like that! < 1445170142 427495 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so Shakespeare predates Chef? ok < 1445170244 460514 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1445170395 746109 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently some esolangs use the feature that each variable is actually a stack that you can push or pop but most operations access the top element directly. Does this idea come from intercal? Or is it from the old interpreted programming languages that have dynamically scoped variables (including TeX and elisp), taking the idea further so that the different variables aren't necessarily saved and restored in a fifo manner? < 1445170667 418774 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it is from dc? < 1445170720 292813 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I don't think dc works that way < 1445170732 918676 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't dc have separate normal variables and arrays? < 1445170740 519127 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure, I was never really much into dc < 1445170763 578433 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but you do operations in dc with the stack < 1445170780 907988 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's how RPN works too, that might be the genesis of the idea < 1445170802 867742 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: but that's just _one_ stack. < 1445170819 976055 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh oops, misread < 1445170829 51348 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :which esolangs are you thinking of < 1445170837 866373 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But dc also has separate stacks for each variable too < 1445170844 809032 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(As well as the main stack) < 1445170852 504455 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Shakespeare < 1445170865 366924 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I think there was more < 1445170903 392937 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also in dc the array is part of the same variable (and is stored on that variable's stack); the man page says so. < 1445170917 411583 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: ok, then dc may be involved too < 1445171004 858694 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In INTERCAL the arrays are separate registers, but other than that I think the stacks of registers in INTERCAL are closest to stacks of registers in dc < 1445171078 844741 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: except that dc also has random access to those stacks, right? < 1445171084 410594 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :While in TeX it is different; all registers *and macros* use a single stack. < 1445171098 44356 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: right, just like in all the old languages with dynamic scope < 1445171113 85497 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :As far as I know, dc does not have random access to stacks. < 1445171114 51998 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :including the "local" statement in perl, or elisp < 1445171123 331771 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: hmm, what does the ; and : command do then? let me check < 1445171168 570486 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :They access values in an array < 1445171215 125386 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, i don't think i've ever seen you use asterisks for emphasis before < 1445171342 659450 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, the arrays are separate from the stacks. ok < 1445171355 550414 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :then yes, Intercal's and Shakespeare's ideas are close to dc's < 1445171376 981678 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1445171435 309410 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1445171673 336954 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You say there is "local" in Perl, but in TeX everything is local by default if not otherwise specified (except a few special registers which have a different scope). < 1445171733 297405 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1445171772 803334 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07DMM14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=44785 5* 03B jonas 5* (+30) 10Redirected page to [[David Morgan-Mar]] < 1445171865 11887 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07David Morgan-Mar14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44786&oldid=41708 5* 03B jonas 5* (-54) 10 < 1445171975 678572 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07David Morgan-Mar14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44787&oldid=44786 5* 03B jonas 5* (-2) 10 < 1445172608 624670 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat JOIN :#esoteric < 1445172619 664822 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess what this does: < 1445172620 653871 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :WIPE SET 0 50 SET 1 0 SET 224 0 SET 225 1 SET 226 255 SET 227 '\n' GADR 240 241 INCD 0 1 CIE 0 1 224 225 READ 2 0 1 SET 3 < 1445172623 705562 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 PUT 2 CIE 3 2 227 226 JINZ 3 240 241 STOP 'H' 'e' 'l' 'l' 'o' ',' ' ' 'W' 'o' 'r' 'l' 'd' '!' '\n' < 1445172651 803227 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What programming language is it? < 1445172712 309208 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :my own < 1445172717 46197 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hydra < 1445172788 765284 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the end of the code hints to it's purpose < 1445172805 660457 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll put on pastebin with line feeds < 1445172920 342507 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can read it just fine as it is though < 1445172935 382474 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you can put on pastebin if you want to. < 1445172938 407882 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastebin.com/GEMXkvLy < 1445173000 607819 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Zzo38/Programming languages with unusual features14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44788&oldid=44622 5* 03Zzo38 5* (+445) 10 < 1445173729 524854 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1445174029 338463 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/98841263/HYDRA%200002B1%20Commands.pdf < 1445174264 374508 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah great < 1445174306 464910 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh? < 1445174475 623809 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lyka: I accidentally had caps lock stuck on. This is possible because I use a keyboard layout with caps lock disabled. There is a solution for this in the script I use to set the keyboard layout, but I forgot what it was so I had to look it up. < 1445174481 42866 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now my caps lock is off again. < 1445174521 421837 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :good < 1445174617 593328 :typical_username!1fb2a091@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.178.160.145 JOIN :#esoteric < 1445174619 413029 :typical_username!1fb2a091@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.178.160.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1445174661 964770 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you a typical user? < 1445174698 620557 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :i gotta go < 1445174702 540651 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PART :#esoteric < 1445175001 670261 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :typical_usernamhello. < 1445175199 204687 :bender!~sid123@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1445175275 223838 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Catb0t 5* 10New user account < 1445175920 726736 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-247-16.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1445176096 973296 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07EGSHEL14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=44789 5* 03Catb0t 5* (+1108) 10created with text < 1445176194 233857 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1445176634 275777 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1445176945 63965 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1445177033 957939 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07EGSHEL14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44790&oldid=44789 5* 03Catb0t 5* (+1008) 10 < 1445177180 719857 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1445177191 870727 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07EGSHEL14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44791&oldid=44790 5* 03Catb0t 5* (-24) 10 < 1445177273 621767 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07EGSHEL14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44792&oldid=44791 5* 03Catb0t 5* (+82) 10 < 1445177294 620525 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07EGSHEL14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44793&oldid=44792 5* 03Catb0t 5* (+1) 10 < 1445177511 489595 :bender!~sid123@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 JOIN :#esoteric < 1445178065 355406 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-247-16.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1445178099 424616 :bender!~sid123@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 QUIT :Quit: Ping Pong Fuckout < 1445178257 502930 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1445178284 698376 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1445178291 428675 :Wright_!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1445178294 378249 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1445178392 410183 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar CYUL < 1445178392 840398 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYUL 181400Z 33006KT 280V340 30SM FEW030 FEW100 BKN240 01/M07 A3029 RMK CF1AC1CI4 CF TR SLP258 < 1445178493 687175 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for October, avg high 13.0, daily mean 8.5, avg low 3.9. there's something very wrong going on. < 1445178739 473432 :typical_username!1fb2a091@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.178.160.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :getrandbits(n) generates random number with n bits. Whats chance for x that x times nested getrandbits with initial 2 will generate x? < 1445178811 660977 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not likely to be very high < 1445178829 141637 :typical_username!1fb2a091@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.178.160.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know that for 1 its 0.25 < 1445178851 955621 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know for certain, but it feels like an iterated e^-x operation < 1445178870 719230 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, no < 1445178875 211530 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :something vaguely like that but not that < 1445178994 75751 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Zzo38/Programming languages with unusual features14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44794&oldid=44788 5* 03Zzo38 5* (+564) 10 < 1445179010 944515 :typical_username!1fb2a091@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.178.160.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"whats chance that nesting it infinite amount of times will ever generate n" < 1445180320 916036 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I'm considering an esoteric use of SQLite < 1445180327 125530 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I went over there to ask a question < 1445180333 245403 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and noticed that zzo38's website was linked in the topic < 1445180337 659384 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so presumably I'll fit right in < 1445180482 535273 :Froox!~Frooxius@ip-89-177-144-144.net.upcbroadband.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1445180496 892316 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: zzo38 does use sqlite, in an esoteric way < 1445180504 193551 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I know < 1445180516 554166 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my point is that asking questions about esoteric sqlite might not be as out of place as normal < 1445180521 785711 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think he also uses it in a non-esoteric way, but it's hard to be sure < 1445180529 764082 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember when I went into #ocaml and asked how to convert a char to a string without using the standard library < 1445180544 306595 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it took me a while to explain why I wanted to < 1445180573 339593 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: is a char one of those types with only 256 different values, so you can just use a big case statement, or a bigger type? < 1445180595 578741 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@ip-89-177-144-144.net.upcbroadband.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1445180690 373006 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I'm not actually sure < 1445180695 344503 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't have to use a big case statement though < 1445180724 88230 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the reason is that I was setting students an assignment that required them to not use the standard library, I had a sandbox that enforced this, but needed to run some of my own code in the sandbox too) < 1445180781 327795 :typical_username!1fb2a091@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.178.160.145 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1445180795 92700 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hmm < 1445180823 618113 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :couldn't you allow some of the standard library in, including the function for this? < 1445180840 365030 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :while still not allowing map < 1445182008 120613 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: TOP CHICKEN < 1445182308 832759 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, while we're doing crazy C stuff < 1445182331 163959 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the solution was to use the concatenation operator to create a fresh length-1 string, then overwrite its first character < 1445182358 966667 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :is stdin permitted to be a null pointer? I mean, at startup for the program, and it still works as a stream, it's just that the null pointer identifies that particular stream. eg. the library could be using the descriptor number as the identifier, and it's not really a pointer, but an index to a table the library keeps. < 1445182403 589438 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, that's a clever idea < 1445182408 408219 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no really < 1445182415 647669 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't think of any reason offhand why it couldn't be < 1445182416 373948 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if the C standard allows it < 1445182433 764075 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a BAD idea < 1445182442 184182 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't know if the standard forbids it < 1445182443 700222 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999918.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :can fopen return a numm pointer? < 1445182454 227730 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: yes, it signals error that way < 1445182459 508662 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why this would be a bad idea < 1445182466 420734 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: War and Peace is a novel that's famous for being really long, that's why < 1445182475 472686 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :a program that does fopen, which fails, but the program doesn't check, would read from stdin silently < 1445182481 323971 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm wait < 1445182557 549942 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if stdin isn't a null pointer, but fopen(nullptr, "r") would return stdin, so that programs can just do FILE *f = fopen(argv[1]); and have pipe semantics when nothing is passed to them :-) < 1445182561 608215 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :crazy < 1445182573 273496 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait, that wouldn't work < 1445182588 921600 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would have to return a new handle for stdin, so that fclose doesn't close stdin < 1445182709 557482 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999918.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there any filesystem where the empty string is a valid file name? < 1445182791 357596 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: I think there used to be old unices where the empty string as a pathname represented the current directory, but POSIX specifically bans that now < 1445182811 373335 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999918.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see. that makes sense < 1445182817 617930 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :POSIX requires that the empty string is an invalid pathname, and current unices follow that < 1445182822 946239 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linux definitely does < 1445182862 490448 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the interpretation of current directory sort of made sense because multiple slashes in the middle of the pathname are interpreted as just one slash in unix < 1445182896 646055 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but making it invalid is better in practice, because most uses of an empty pathname are accidental, and so making it invalid catches errors < 1445182914 801520 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, the empty string often occurs as an error output < 1445183805 175041 :MoALTz!~no@78.11.179.104 JOIN :#esoteric < 1445184973 366805 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-247-16.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1445186032 626348 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999918.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :idea: a language with functions from C and lisp. the C functions are called like fun(arg,arg,arg) while the Lisp ones are instad called like (fun, arg, arg) < 1445186119 993081 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999918.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :similarly, functions taken from perl would be called like fun arg,arg < 1445186156 905996 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999918.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :using the wrong call syntax for a fucntion is a grammatical error < 1445186163 445535 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: is that just objective C? < 1445186192 826409 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999918.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno objective C < 1445186197 588971 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"using the wrong call syntax for a fucntion is a grammatical error" -- oh, like in K&R C when you pass the wrong parameters to a function? < 1445186245 654996 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999918.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but here it's purely arbitrary what the right call syntax is, kinda like how romance languages assign arbitrary genders to words < 1445186291 565638 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999918.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. (map, f, A) is valid but (printf, "%d\n", x) is a compiler error < 1445186301 525480 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah! as if some of the function argument types aren't arbitrary < 1445186309 963010 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999918.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yah < 1445186422 868873 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999918.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the type system might also contain arbitrary duplications like lisp lists and perl arrays which must each be manipulated with the right functions < 1445186488 173219 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999918.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the main idea is what would happen if you mixed these languages the way natural languages are mixed, retaining complexity instead of cutting it out < 1445186877 391801 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: that already happens in real languages, where different code uses different libraries to represent some structure, and you have to convert between them < 1445186906 459150 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: if you want to go for an esolang, you have to need something more than what just happens naturally when decades of history shape a language < 1445186918 994679 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, wait, where are your backslashes? < 1445186935 160365 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you may not have gotten my lambdabot message without them < 1445187168 442127 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat JOIN :#esoteric < 1445187171 372148 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1445187174 271462 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastebin.com/yVf4pPgt < 1445187184 847582 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that stdin should be allowed to be a null pointer but only if the two conditions apply: [1] There is no stdin [2] Functions such as fread and so on can accept a null pointer < 1445187195 741110 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lyka: that looks like an asm to me < 1445187199 234602 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what language is it? < 1445187205 711541 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :HYDRA < 1445187219 657007 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :my own pseudo-asm language < 1445187229 540433 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1445187231 914214 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I'm hoping the C standard doesn't actually allow that < 1445187684 941955 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/98841263/HYDRA%200002B1%20Commands.pdf < 1445187712 175187 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the documentation < 1445187744 910991 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it have enough commands? < 1445187752 116010 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :enough for what? < 1445187763 669647 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :to be a usable language < 1445187781 833676 :aretecode!~aretecode@64.120.6.170 JOIN :#esoteric < 1445187809 336361 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :variables are all in mem[256] < 1445187837 951730 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :READ reads bytes from the program file < 1445187857 718943 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :max program file size is 65536 bytes < 1445188108 739766 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The standard does say that "stdin, stdout, stderr -- are expressions of type "pointer to FILE" that point to the FILE objects --" (7.21.1p3) but a null pointer "is guaranteed to compare unequal to a pointer to any object or function" (6.3.22p3). < 1445188169 799083 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Given that it's required to point at an actual FILE object, it doesn't sound like you can do tricks like that. < 1445188305 211301 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999918.dsl.bell.ca NICK :\oren\ < 1445188312 4952 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999918.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1445188337 255162 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999918.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, woops < 1445189347 946949 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey Lyka. < 1445189360 324827 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi tswett < 1445189391 654583 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yeah, then you probably can't < 1445189394 19032 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :good < 1445189471 432757 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lyka: yup, that definitely looks usable to me. < 1445189537 8409 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :just realized that the "JUMP A B C" command is redundant, as it is equal to "JIZ A B C JINZ A B C" < 1445189570 408667 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :have to redo everything again < 1445189577 346101 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1445189680 531195 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, have to both edit the interpreter and the script to convert the mnemonics + hex args to binary < 1445189711 300994 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :and rerun the script on the HELLOW program < 1445189785 700520 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's worth it, as it will lower the number of commandss from 29 to 28 < 1445189872 945658 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07HALT14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44795&oldid=44589 5* 03Vihan 5* (-19) 10/* Comments */ < 1445189977 721528 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lyka, you should only need one conditional jump < 1445190121 604712 :Drone_swarm!4b841982@gateway/web/freenode/ip.75.132.25.130 JOIN :#esoteric < 1445190124 852650 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :jump if zero or jump if nonzero? < 1445190356 422686 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1445190372 599367 :Drone_swarm!4b841982@gateway/web/freenode/ip.75.132.25.130 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1445190498 127011 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, removed JIZ < 1445190868 451521 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1445191492 596308 :mauris__!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric < 1445191553 934766 :mauris__!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1445192920 708242 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric < 1445193365 405070 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1445193484 615394 :Wright_!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1445193866 616527 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1445193872 941902 :Wright_!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1445194135 726881 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, um...I think I can use HYDRA 0002C, and, with its 4 empty command slots, i can expand if needed without altering the main code < 1445194183 181011 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :JUMP A B: SET T 1 JINZ T A B < 1445194605 50041 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :JIZ A B C: SET T 0 SET U 1 CIE A A T U JINZ A B C < 1445194710 539912 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assue nobody understands < 1445194748 685400 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/98841263/HYDRA%200002C%20Commands.pdf < 1445194815 624630 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you intend to have thirty-two possible commands in total? < 1445194816 41617 :shahwaq!~Adnan@182.181.237.107 JOIN :#esoteric < 1445195068 484644 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1445195095 990475 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure why, just worked out that way originally < 1445195163 91619 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :originally, i was saving the first 3 bits for something, forgot what as it wa not documented by me < 1445195180 808527 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :*was < 1445195200 127893 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1445195569 104396 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have a document of encoded format and so on? < 1445195610 805289 :shahwaq!~Adnan@182.181.237.107 PART :#esoteric < 1445195657 973185 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose I can guess sits working though < 1445195692 108056 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :other than the command list, arduino sketch, and asm2bin script, almmost nothing < 1445195806 262802 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You probably should use other 3-bits though somehow. < 1445195816 994722 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :agreed < 1445195973 337090 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should NAND be ~ instead of ! possibly? < 1445196038 396603 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but that is a bug in imlementation that you just caught < 1445196076 81685 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, who wants to play Magic over IRC? < 1445196242 59528 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: I do not have time right now, but do you have software for such thing? You would need such program for shuffling cards and generating lists of cards in a pack (or selecting them from a cube) and for other random thing, and a few other stuff too < 1445196350 43690 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I figured we'd use physical cards and trust each other. < 1445196408 555070 :kallisti!4b750530@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.75.117.5.48 JOIN :#esoteric < 1445196481 491844 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are still a few things that you would be unable to do though, such as if you can look at opponent's library or exiled cards. (Also I don't have any physical cards) < 1445196552 624255 :kallisti!4b750530@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.75.117.5.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dis some MtG shit? < 1445196563 657671 :kallisti!4b750530@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.75.117.5.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait no this is zzo's card game of a billion years designed < 1445196572 343562 :kallisti!4b750530@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.75.117.5.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that has stuff to do with something I forgot < 1445196599 341318 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No it isn't. It is Magic: the Gathering. Even any game I might design, wouldn't take a billion years since I do not live that long. < 1445196685 207979 :kallisti!4b750530@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.75.117.5.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, within your currently estimatable lifespan it's entirely possible that an incredibly technological breakthrough rapidly increases the expected lifespan of all humans on earth. < 1445196723 18108 :kallisti!4b750530@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.75.117.5.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there's that < 1445196723 458589 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is to be assumed that zzo38's lifespan is currenly undetermined, undecidable, and may taste like licorice. < 1445196745 376152 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe, but if it would cause increasing to a billion years then it might not be such the good idea anyways. < 1445196788 910712 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: btw, as a fellow Canadian, are you going to vote tomorrow? < 1445196790 744494 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :We could cross that bridge upon coming thereto. < 1445196866 546721 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, as none of the candidates are the right one I think. Even then, there are problems with the voting system (and I believe it has been mathematically proven to be impossible to fix). < 1445196893 712494 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not even the Greens? < 1445196896 790569 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not against the voting system in general, but I believe it should be improved. < 1445196931 880371 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In addition, I hardly know much about the political parties so I would be unable to make a reasonable judgment in able to vote anyways. < 1445196968 94173 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :The perfect voting system would be one where it's in everyone's best interest to state exactly what their preferences are and then the system picks whichever one results in the greatest overall satisfaction. < 1445196971 117511 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Therefore, any vote I would make would be wrong, and I don't want to vote wrong! < 1445196980 839240 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop being rational! vote for the candidate with the best tie! < 1445196989 597672 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would be nice. < 1445197002 992291 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(really, studies show that the necktie is an important aspect for a candidate's success.) < 1445197022 685052 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Say, I came up with a game. A game theoretic game. < 1445197031 935676 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's inspired by a certain situation in Magic. < 1445197037 245365 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's the game. < 1445197050 408809 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@86.89.119.147 NICK :TieSleep < 1445197071 415722 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are two players, an attacker and a defender. With probability p, the attacker is given a "response card". The attacker knows whether or not she has the response card, but the defender does not. < 1445197073 722374 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't care about the candidate's tie. What is important is their politics. < 1445197102 503871 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :The attacker tells the defender whether she attacks or not. If she attacks, then the defender tells the attacker whether he defends or not. < 1445197140 766861 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, they're all mostly the same, except for the Conservatives who are set slightly apart from the main cluster. < 1445197147 98464 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the attacker did not attack, her payoff is 0. If she attacked and the defender did not block, her payoff is 1. < 1445197165 543973 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, I suppose I can see the relation of your game to Magic: the Gathering < 1445197174 508288 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :If she attacked and he blocked, her payoff is b >= 1 if she has a response card and d < 0 if she does not. < 1445197184 768423 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :The defender's payoff is the opposite of the attacker's payoff. < 1445197197 654449 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although the game of Magic: the Gathering is more complicated than that, but there can be similar things. < 1445197217 358699 :kallisti!4b750530@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.75.117.5.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what happened to ehird < 1445197236 314924 :kallisti!4b750530@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.75.117.5.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :did he disappear into the black oblivion of the outer void? < 1445197245 211070 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :khellosti. haven't seen him in a long time. same for Bike. < 1445197330 124833 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :So if she doesn't have the card, she wants to attack if and only if the defender is not going to block. If she does have the card, she definitely wants to attack, and she also wants the defender to block (or doesn't care either way). < 1445197357 44584 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's just say that b > 1. < 1445197371 988050 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :So if she has the card, she definitely wants to attack, and she also wants him to block. < 1445197379 229269 :kallisti!4b750530@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.75.117.5.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :byoly < 1445197391 80799 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meanwhile, the defender wants to block if and only if the attacker does not have a response card. < 1445197428 312080 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the question is, of course, what's the Nash equilibrium? < 1445197440 910581 :kallisti!4b750530@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.75.117.5.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone here familiar with vinyl in haskell? < 1445197449 467164 :kallisti!4b750530@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.75.117.5.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure my code is more complex than it needs to be < 1445197553 317687 :kallisti!4b750530@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.75.117.5.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like look at this nonsense: https://github.com/kallisti-dev/hs-webdriver/blob/vinyl-capabilities/src/Test/WebDriver/Capabilities.hs < 1445198071 26107 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: CHOSEN CHICKEN < 1445198622 122808 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you ever feel the need to have irc logs in sql? < 1445198982 593063 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1445199182 184425 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohai < 1445199188 228928 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're talking about M:tG again, great < 1445199198 245693 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: I think zzo38 does that < 1445199217 246331 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: plus I think Tanktalus's logs of the chatterbox are stored in some sort of database too < 1445199224 902305 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think ircbrowse.net uses postgres? < 1445199370 572505 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh. "Paulo Vitor Damo da Rosa's Atarka Red" contains six fetch lands that can only be used for one basic land type, because he doesn't have any of the other basic land type. < 1445199390 644913 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: um, so? < 1445199423 464877 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the question I had at first was, why would you use a Swamp/Mountain fetch land instead of a Mountain, when you don't have any Swamps? < 1445199425 800672 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: fetchlands are still useful for deck thinning, and possibly for shuffling or for triggering landfall effects < 1445199433 805201 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's no landfall either. < 1445199441 901125 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: then at least deck thinning < 1445199455 796542 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly shuffling effects, if that's relevant to the deck < 1445199465 146267 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I have at least one deck where the shuffling _is_ useful) < 1445199475 613843 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The swamp/mountain land can fetch a mountain/forest land. < 1445199506 900473 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is also in that deck. < 1445199514 328379 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1445199532 942488 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the benefit that I noticed. < 1445199541 967989 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, that explains it then < 1445199564 612617 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, Atarka means it's three colored, right? < 1445199588 81471 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there's a new set of lands with two basic land types in Standard now < 1445199602 826745 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Atarka's Command is only red–green. < 1445199694 995824 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :As are the cards representing Atarka. < 1445200173 591095 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-247-16.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1445200860 27834 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: what do you do with your logs? and i don't know Tanktalus < 1445201018 937047 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmm. You can play Endless One for free and it'll insta-die, right? < 1445201030 581876 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1445201046 819591 :shikhin!shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1445201073 314368 :FireFly!firefly@oftn/member/FireFly QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1445201227 56549 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1445201957 340667 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1445202028 869466 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1445203129 456821 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH JOIN :#esoteric < 1445203409 69190 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: yes, I believe you can < 1445203417 924342 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might even survive if you have the right effects < 1445203774 363371 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@247-3-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1445203814 961543 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Death-B-Gone. W. Enchantment. Permanents you control can't die. < 1445203850 555535 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@247-3-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hellu < 1445203889 192731 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does that work? < 1445203927 806235 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :heppaviellion[1]. < 1445203958 872465 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Töirästä heppavi stö. < 1445203969 461678 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: how does what work? < 1445203978 851787 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :what language is that? < 1445203982 600678 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Permanents you control can't die." < 1445204006 260964 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :'700.4. The term dies means “is put into a graveyard from the battlefield.”' < 1445204015 554602 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: what language is "nortti"? < 1445204065 250444 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but what would happen? < 1445204067 600097 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never mind, I looked it up on Wiktionary. < 1445204069 887284 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :'700.6. The term dies means "is put into a graveyard from the battlefield." It is used only when referring to creatures.' < 1445204076 333740 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? nortti < 1445204089 499049 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti boy. very nortti boy. < 1445204090 601108 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: none, altho it has roots in 10y.o. nortti picking "nörtti" as a handle on a programming site < 1445204103 788466 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: when is that copy of the rules from? < 1445204109 228075 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :2012 < 1445204125 764653 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're obsolete. My quote is from the September 26, 2015 rules. < 1445204133 11803 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see. < 1445204164 661182 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately Wizards of the Coast likes to hide the most recent rules in a convenient form from the top Google search result. < 1445204181 641609 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google mtg rules txt < 1445204186 829405 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.wizards.com/magic/comprules/MagicCompRules_20121001.txt < 1445204250 252858 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick: yorick < 1445204257 435485 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: me < 1445204263 371566 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1445204265 995559 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never talk here < 1445204267 740368 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I was replacing the first two letters of your nick with "yo". < 1445204289 615546 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: and nothing happened < 1445204299 461082 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was trying to remember who you were, but I think I may have confused you with someone else. < 1445204392 794935 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: crazy idea, how much rules change would it take to support an enchantment with the text “You may play land cards you own from the battlefield.” ? The rules would need to make sure it's the printed values that matter for what you can play, so you can't play a permanent that's a land right now, and especially not a face down sorcery card or a token, plus it would have to treat playing the land as a zone change, so the card counts as leaving the < 1445204406 123557 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(cont) plus it would have to treat playing the land as a zone change, so the card counts as leaving the battlefield then the land entering the battlefield as a new object with clear identity and statuses. < 1445204458 779546 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the card could be called "Cycle of Nature" perhaps < 1445204543 391099 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe doing it flicker-style would be more standard? < 1445204592 2944 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Exile target land you control. You may play that card from exile until end of turn." < 1445204598 95813 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: no, the point is, it has to count as playing a land, so that you're allowed it only once by default, as a normal action at your priority in the main phase of your own turn, just like with Crucible of Worlds < 1445204599 552401 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course that's different in many ways. < 1445204606 835808 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has to count as your normal land drop < 1445204625 964685 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not a once effect, it's a continuous effect. < 1445204636 442724 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plus, the text would be a lot less elegant that way. < 1445204643 180610 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. But maybe you can do something in that style. < 1445204657 280150 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Playing cards from the battlefield seems like a big change. < 1445204685 660281 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: how is it a big change, compared to playing cards from your hand, graveyard, or exile? < 1445204697 163780 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or even sideboard < 1445204705 802120 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :in one case < 1445204763 730080 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :casting from the battlefield would be even easier, because that's already a zone change. < 1445204776 334221 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Playing seems to involve a zone change, like you said. < 1445204805 893000 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there's a rule that if you exile a card from exile, that counts as a zone change, < 1445204807 460401 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I agree now that flicker-style wouldn't work too well here. < 1445204825 362745 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :only there the rules don't have to handle triggers specifically because there's probably no relevant triggers. < 1445205150 156917 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@247-3-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps a programming language in which the only way to access variables is to play Regex Golf would be interesting. < 1445205186 678641 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@247-3-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And if you fuck up your regexes, it's non-deterministic, which may be useful for advanced programmers) < 1445205222 209109 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1445205239 797468 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in < 1445205332 262076 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@247-3-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Oh. You greeted me xD. < 1445205593 122462 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1445205672 860111 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@247-3-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um. < 1445205705 288480 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@247-3-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi, Phantom_Hoover! < 1445205711 974904 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes hello < 1445205775 304401 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@247-3-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought of a language just now where you have to play Regex Golf to reference a variable < 1445205822 159129 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@247-3-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it'd get worse. < 1445206318 718662 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1445206376 107510 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1445206397 914733 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :yoerjan < 1445206679 491898 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@247-3-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Helloerjan < 1445206692 2782 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@247-3-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aloerjanha? < 1445206694 253990 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: [syːlɔʋ] hth < 1445206704 124971 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hippavilion < 1445206886 16762 :w00tles!~w00tles@87-104-164-168-dynamic-customer.profibernet.dk JOIN :#esoteric < 1445206903 949990 :w00tles!~w00tles@87-104-164-168-dynamic-customer.profibernet.dk QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1445206924 172479 :w00tles!~w00tles@87-104-164-168-dynamic-customer.profibernet.dk JOIN :#esoteric < 1445206935 642772 :w00tles!~w00tles@87-104-164-168-dynamic-customer.profibernet.dk QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1445206964 465333 :w00tles!~w00tles@87-104-164-168-dynamic-customer.profibernet.dk JOIN :#esoteric < 1445207157 607185 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :"syylov"? < 1445207188 259959 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you like. it's long, anyway. < 1445207397 767712 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, in a stressed syllable the vowel is long unless the following consonant is < 1445207422 50975 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but only the consonant is marked in the orthography. < 1445207465 452315 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :clusters count as long unless it's a compound word, or something like that < 1445207501 901879 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :storm : short o, stormåse : long o (and å) < 1445207502 349855 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: I would say that you use "an" instead of "a" in front of a word iff the word begins with a glottal stop. < 1445207538 41671 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, is the glottal stop actually pronounced after "an" < 1445207553 620003 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usually? < 1445207554 937640 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :istr from previous discussion that it's mostly only pronounced after a pause < 1445207573 223668 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I pronounce "an hour" with a glottal stop. < 1445207579 340460 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it probably depends on dialect like everything else english < 1445207581 131726 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can imagine people pronouncing it without one, though. < 1445207586 842564 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, but are you a native speaker < 1445207596 202176 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :English was my first language, I'm told. < 1445207597 584289 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(neither am i, of course) < 1445207601 613280 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha? < 1445207608 788605 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you never lost it? < 1445207611 565038 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I didn't speak it from age 3 to 10 or so. < 1445207621 983779 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1445207626 607719 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: did you speak some other language during that time? < 1445207627 778900 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I have a non-American accent. < 1445207632 818256 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like a research subject < 1445207636 933091 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Yes. < 1445207645 802706 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf the feral jew < 1445207655 241782 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I certainly don't pronounce "an hour" with a glottal stop. < 1445207658 871046 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :At age 3 -- I'm told -- I decided to forget English. < 1445207675 185100 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :A wise and mature decision. < 1445207696 620192 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: wait, forget, as in you also no longer understood it? < 1445207700 759378 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1445207704 200895 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1445207704 620675 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: istr that people don't always hear if they do. do you pronounce it in the beginning of sentences? < 1445207714 257010 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also from the previous discussion) < 1445207716 502530 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure that we mean the same thing by "glottal stop". < 1445207728 126680 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I don't know. < 1445207729 602638 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh by the way, about glottal stops < 1445207737 292812 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I asked David in a comment and he replied < 1445207749 216590 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was about Hebrew, right? < 1445207755 339609 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yes < 1445207766 74069 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :It definitely feels like air is exiting my lungs continuously throughout the phrase. < 1445207768 444389 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :theoretically, english might have two glottal stops, one strong in the beginning of sentence that even english-speakers notice, and one weak elsewhere that only linguists and foreigners do < 1445207776 438483 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sentences < 1445207782 690923 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, oerjan: http://www.madore.org/cgi-bin/comment.pl/showcomments?href=http%3a%2f%2fwww.madore.org%2f~david%2fweblog%2f2015-09.html%23d.2015-09-10.2318 < 1445207831 674471 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: um, air can still exit from your lungs, it just gets buffered a bit in your throat during the glottal stop < 1445207847 267977 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, hichaf < 1445207862 257190 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :glottal cave adventure < 1445207896 796780 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I just might record myself saying "about an hour" a couple times. < 1445207937 551546 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's a good audiobin site? < 1445207956 675238 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't be able to listen until this evening. < 1445208035 760147 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's perfectly likely that I sometimes use a glottal stop there, but I'm pretty sure I don't always. < 1445208037 894973 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: hm a game like those touch typing games, except you actually have to pronounce weird sounds < 1445208091 102923 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: for proper science you need to repeat it for about an hour, hth < 1445208125 159889 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You pronounce "hour" and "our" the same, right? < 1445208126 334173 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you can combine it with a test of sore throat medication < 1445208296 654971 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: wtf that comment section is in reverse order < 1445208707 263389 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PART :#esoteric < 1445208839 438688 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :all this talk of glottal stops < 1445208842 834056 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur, you around/ < 1445208964 450135 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No need to ruin everything. < 1445209084 307020 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@247-3-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm... < 1445209101 26779 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@247-3-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What happens when you raise a matrix to a power or raise a number to the power of a matrix? < 1445209120 929815 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :matrix to an (integer) power is easy < 1445209133 673049 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :number to a matrix is pretty cool, you use the power series < 1445209133 877237 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@247-3-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't been taught it yet. < 1445209139 390984 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@247-3-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oooh < 1445209143 247222 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just repeated multiplication < 1445209145 866866 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@247-3-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Power series sounds fun < 1445209163 464054 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Matrix to an integer power isn't easy if the matrix isn't square. (Or, from another point, it's real easy.) < 1445209184 852131 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes < 1445209194 926181 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@247-3-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm thinking about my semiesolang. The one where you can do, for example, `I = comb{SKK}` < 1445209206 849900 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@247-3-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if you have the combinators syntax imported) < 1445209217 145836 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can't raise a square matrix to a negative power if it's singular < 1445209233 626886 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@247-3-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, what? < 1445209242 625854 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@247-3-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a... hole in matrix power raising? < 1445209248 655751 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@247-3-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not like holes in mathematics. < 1445209256 247159 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH JOIN :#esoteric < 1445209395 365189 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@247-3-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What other weird ideas could my language incorporate... < 1445209400 345965 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], matrices are linear transformations, you can't invert them if they map two things to the same point < 1445209409 392563 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@247-3-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1445209455 843245 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@247-3-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really have no clue what you just said. My knowledge of elementary algebra is one year of algebra I, half a semester of algebra II < 1445209463 638400 :aretecode!~aretecode@64.120.6.170 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1445209472 904051 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@247-3-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And a little bit of stuff about complexes, imaginaries, etc. < 1445209516 611276 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if a matrix is normal, then you can apply any complex analytic function that's defined on its eigenvalues hth < 1445209524 619786 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@247-3-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooooooh. Now I get matrix powers and how it only works with square matrices xD. Silly me, I forgot that matrix multiplication is weird. < 1445209555 974082 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can also take a logarithm of a matrix X, just by finding Y for e^Y = X, where the matrix exponential e^Y is defined by the power series Phantom_Hoover mentions, \sum_k (1/k!) Y^k. < 1445209584 580818 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or hm is normality even needed there < 1445209586 677261 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], it makes waaay more sense once you understand linear transformations, hth < 1445209602 709453 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, could you not do it on like < 1445209612 139174 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :any jordan normal form? < 1445209617 962889 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@247-3-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Transformations like translation/rotation/reflection/scaling? < 1445209623 927474 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], yes < 1445209624 110051 :Guest98361!~user@s17537041.onlinehome-server.info JOIN :#esoteric < 1445209628 772207 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@247-3-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I probably just revealed the true level of ignorance I posess < 1445209637 830804 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@247-3-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, wow. I got something right! Yay! < 1445209639 650224 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"normal" here is in the A*A = AA* sense < 1445209639 917754 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Translation's not linear. Unless you go all homogenous coordinates. < 1445209644 630217 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not any normal form < 1445209676 297841 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess that automatically implies diagonalizability < 1445209679 282942 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@247-3-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really understand them in the context of matrices though (I had no clue what they were talking about during that chapter). And that's probably necessary. < 1445209693 450681 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1445209704 461416 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Rotation, reflection and scaling all are.) < 1445209705 461096 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :normal means you can use any _continuous_ function < 1445209736 369948 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1445209756 695362 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm what i'm saying may be "trivial" for matrices (i learned it for operators / C*-algebras) < 1445209766 811730 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], you know what the unit vectors are? < 1445209786 576513 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@247-3-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I think I've heard of them, but not realy, no xD. < 1445209816 141352 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@247-3-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, a vector of length one, according to Wikipedia. < 1445209820 720236 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, i'm p. sure what you said is exactly correct for a jordan normal form < 1445209828 715433 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@247-3-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I also know that there are a lot of ways that vectors can be defined. < 1445209844 367544 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@247-3-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, a spatial vector. < 1445209845 705591 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], right, but the main thing is that you can uniquely define each point in R^n as a sum of unit vectors < 1445209858 176190 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@247-3-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1445209871 577237 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@247-3-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :R being...? Real numbers? < 1445209875 535627 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1445209886 356944 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@247-3-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't really tell because we're using ASCII (ostensibly) < 1445209974 933649 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@247-3-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I'm thinking that my language will do some XMLy GUI stuff, because normal GUI stuff is hard. < 1445209988 691112 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :so a linear transformation is a function f : R^n -> R^m such that if you know f(u) for each unit vector u, you can calculate f for any point in R^n just from summing the f(u)s < 1445210000 211833 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this isn't quite the standard definition) < 1445210002 923231 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how you worked "F U" in there. < 1445210011 363065 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@247-3-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I was just going to mention that < 1445210055 490484 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :the columns of a matrix are precisely the values of f(u) for the unit vector along each axis < 1445210071 467151 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I think this discussion needs to mention a basis at some point. < 1445210101 56854 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Otherwise you have too many unit vectors to speak of. < 1445210101 788956 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone knows a discussion without a basis can never stop < 1445210112 553836 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i said 'unit vectors' instead, it meant one less concept to explain < 1445210135 810807 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone uses the standard basis on R^n anyway < 1445210138 521358 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@247-3-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: When I look at "\"F U\"" all I can see is the F combinator being applied to the U combinator with no arguments. Seriously. Not even kidding. I think I need to get out more. < 1445210146 333752 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think unit vector means something different hth < 1445210146 894351 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but it got all muddied up because unit vectors already got defined as any vector of length 1, thanks to Wikipedia. < 1445210155 248753 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah fuck < 1445210170 802718 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :unit vectors along the axis? shit idk what they were called < 1445210183 460789 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :basis vectors hth < 1445210193 117499 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :e_n was common iirc < 1445210194 707554 :Guest98361!~user@s17537041.onlinehome-server.info PRIVMSG #esoteric :a unit vector is a vector of length 1 unit. It has nothing to do with direction. < 1445210214 904303 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guest98361: WHO ARE YOU < 1445210218 265166 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome Guest98361 < 1445210220 155480 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​13Guest98361: 04Welcome 07to 08the 09international 02hub 06for 13esoteric 04programming 07language 08design 09and 02deployment! 06For 13more 04information, 07check 08out 09our 02wiki: 06. 13(For 04the 07other 08kind 09of 02esoterica, 06try 13#esoteric 04on 07EFnet 08or 09DALnet.) < 1445210237 57274 :Guest98361!~user@s17537041.onlinehome-server.info PRIVMSG #esoteric :thx < 1445210257 944887 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wikipedia says "versors", which somehow sounds really old-fashioned. "Versors i, j, k of the Cartesian axes x, y, z for a three-dimensional Euclidean space. Every vector a in that space is a linear combination of these versors." < 1445210274 972577 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought people were talking about general vector spaces. < 1445210280 601519 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: wat < 1445210296 675514 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: "In geometry and physics, the versor of an axis or of a vector is a unit vector indicating its direction." That's what they say. < 1445210310 888468 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It also sounds like an obscure job title in an academical context. < 1445210320 423859 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i'm pretty sure i don't recall ever seeing that before < 1445210321 756750 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please see the versor of the university for this'n'that. < 1445210323 91049 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, general vector spaces are pointless tho < 1445210340 134161 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
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< 1445210348 605343 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@247-3-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone feel like defining Gaussian Integers in λ-calculus? xD. < 1445210363 22512 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@247-3-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Kidding. Unless someone actually feels like doing something like that.) < 1445210384 868767 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: take a pair of ordinary integers. QED. < 1445210397 79340 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@247-3-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I suppose technically you could take any infinite pattern and say it represents gaussian integers, the trick is making operations that work on it < 1445210399 345200 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :if they're infinite dimensional you need to do functional analysis, and if they're not then all the shit with the axioms is just wasted time until you prove they're all F^n < 1445210424 972331 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A rig is a riNg without Negatives." That's so punny. < 1445210456 482998 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if you have a ring without negatives or identity it's a rg? < 1445210477 742953 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :obv. < 1445210550 681584 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@247-3-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So could I represent gaussian integers INCLUDING negative values in it? Or would I be limited to just hte "gaussian naturals" < 1445210592 129428 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :like oerjan said, just use pairs of integers < 1445210684 419625 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@247-3-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OR we could invent an entirely alien number system < 1445210689 149887 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@247-3-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone feel like doing that < 1445210690 887632 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@247-3-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1445210750 269647 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're not trying to invent a new number system, you're trying to find a clever representation of the gaussian integers in the lambda calculus < 1445210784 458312 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@247-3-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You misunderstand me < 1445210802 913781 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@247-3-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant to show that I was switching topics. < 1445210846 713435 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh ok < 1445210864 358159 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@247-3-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That, since encoding Gaussian Integers into the λ-calculus sounds hard, I could instead make up something completely alien, in the way that an eldritch abomination may see the world. < 1445210892 103361 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@247-3-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or that they /would/ see the world if they'd been paying attention in /eldribra/ < 1445210921 474371 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Encoding Gaussian integers might be hard, but encoding arbitrary algebraic data types is pretty easy. < 1445210923 755754 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :encode the p-adics < 1445210943 620561 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And once you do that you can encode integers with it. < 1445211007 542869 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are the p-adics harder to encode than the reals? < 1445211031 992723 :qwertyo!~qwertyo1@wn-res-nat-129-97-125-247.dynamic.uwaterloo.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1445211042 308652 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@247-3-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I would guess that this entirely alien arithmetic would be based on something /other/ than 1, 2, 3, 4, 5... < 1445211051 740893 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@247-3-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The unnaturals, perhaps? < 1445211092 425902 :Guest98361!~user@s17537041.onlinehome-server.info PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1445211109 183547 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, no idea at all < 1445211115 680088 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :was hoping oerjan would correct me < 1445211304 179130 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@247-3-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I would guess they're of equal difficulty, or that the p-adics are only slightly harder once you've figured out the reals. < 1445211313 972613 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@247-3-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can p-adics have infinite numbers /after/ the decimal point? < 1445211325 103983 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What decimal point? < 1445211384 384939 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@247-3-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I was told the p-adics were like rationals, except the area before the decimal point can be infinite. Was I lied to? < 1445211396 949730 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@247-3-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I meant infinitely long numbers) < 1445211408 804972 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@247-3-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I'm thinking of something else, or maybe I was dreaming. < 1445211448 573964 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt you were lied to, but maybe there was a misunderstanding. < 1445211465 312365 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Generally there is no decimal point. < 1445211499 351724 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@247-3-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh < 1445211535 882459 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't need one to define multiplicative inverses. < 1445211847 453691 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: generally you only allow finitely many numbers after the decimal point in p-adics, because that's exactly what you need to make them a field. < 1445211858 858605 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@247-3-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1445211893 640337 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1445211896 903326 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: You have numbers after the decimal point? < 1445211918 355106 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: or digits, whatev < 1445211930 301109 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have digits after the decimal point? < 1445211936 249695 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you can. Hmm. < 1445211954 200285 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the p-adic fields you do. for the p-adic integers you don't. < 1445211979 163575 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the former is basically the obvious field extension of the latter. < 1445212067 796870 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the p-adic integers are easier than the reals, computationally. no pesky problem with whether you're close to 0 or not. < 1445212105 421889 :Froox!~Frooxius@ip-89-177-144-144.net.upcbroadband.cz QUIT :Quit: *bubbles away* < 1445212117 542156 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1445212120 165231 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH JOIN :#esoteric < 1445212126 689438 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@ip-89-177-144-144.net.upcbroadband.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1445212127 602573 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no problem affecting finding the digits, anyway. < 1445212208 380643 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: yo < 1445212219 412590 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sup my ghostly vacuum cleaner friend < 1445212242 194232 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@247-3-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought he was just a canadian guy who lives in an Opera House... < 1445212266 210904 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@247-3-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :("Hoover" can mean Canadian, correct? I hope it's not derogatory if it does xD) < 1445212302 430443 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm pretty sure the most famous Hoover was not canadian < 1445212313 951192 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@247-3-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arnold Hoover you mean? < 1445212329 748201 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, J. Edgar < 1445212342 16120 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@247-3-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. Never heard of that one. < 1445212389 960300 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :arnold doesn't even show up on the google hit page, not even if i add site:wikipedia.org < 1445212401 826231 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for hoover) < 1445212419 731198 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@247-3-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's a very little-known famous person. < 1445212462 930120 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i can see that, even adding "arnold" didn't really make any bells ring. < 1445212548 471078 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Going by the Google hits, Herbert would seem to be much more famous. < 1445212564 265745 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But Hoover certainly seems to be the most famous J. Edgar. < 1445212583 698299 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@247-3-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I've figured out how to make Brainfuck OO < 1445212605 589541 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@247-3-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Which, last time I checked, puts it in the range of "acceptable brainfuck derivative" < 1445212610 643697 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: hm herbert came second for me < 1445212623 476605 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :For what query? < 1445212628 477081 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hoover < 1445212638 362659 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@247-3-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe we should create a BrainfuckDerivative: namespace so that you don't get spammed with BF derivatives when you hit "Random" < 1445212642 733952 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see J. Edgar on the first page. < 1445212652 143795 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1445212662 743077 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my top hits are on the norwegian wikipedia. < 1445212664 849594 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm... < 1445212687 843934 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@247-3-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm actually half serious about that idea. < 1445212693 455741 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, the google.no results are more like yours. < 1445212712 880608 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@247-3-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That'd fix the BF derivative plague, we just quarantine them to where no one can find one < 1445212739 132032 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@247-3-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/can find one/will accidentally stumble across one while looking for something good/ < 1445212751 189922 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@247-3-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But then we'd need a "random BF derivative" button... < 1445212761 625141 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@247-3-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm... < 1445212765 618537 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :removing that site gives herbert a way down, after a lot of vacuuming < 1445212792 323592 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur, can you guess someone's accent for m < 1445212793 844012 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :*me < 1445212796 488080 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@247-3-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No one?