00:15:22 <tswett> So I think now I understand exactly why a Devoid permanent that loses all abilities is still colorless.
00:15:47 <tswett> In Magic, continuous effects are applied in a specific order. Earlier effects completely, totally ignore later effects.
00:19:04 <tswett> The becoming-colorless effect from Devoid is applied before the losing-all-abilities effect is applied. Therefore, the card is colorless: by the time it loses Devoid, Devoid has already taken effect.
00:19:46 <tswett> Except I'm using "time" funny there. This is sort of a secondary type of time existing underneath actual game time.
00:19:55 <tswett> Really, it's not time at all.
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00:20:37 <tswett> So when I say "by the time X happens, Y has already happened", what I really mean is "the happening of X has no causal influence on the happening of Y, due to a time-like reason".
00:24:14 * pikhq is slightly drunk and full of cheese
00:24:33 <pikhq> Well, by definition yes.
00:24:47 <pikhq> Though I think it was more gruyere than emmentaler.
00:25:40 <oerjan> i hear the swiss are fondue of cheese
00:25:56 <pikhq> It's true, and I can't blame them.
00:26:16 <pikhq> Fondue is delicious.
00:27:02 <pikhq> Especially with a moderate number of people.
00:27:05 <hppavilion[1]> I've already got "abcdefghij" and " " and the unknown character
00:27:28 <FireFly> hppavilion[1]: is it a bitmap or vector font? what style?
00:27:31 <hppavilion[1]> Though I might have a slight problem with the usage
00:27:51 <hppavilion[1]> FireFly: Vector; It's a sans-serif if I know how typefaces work
00:28:28 <hppavilion[1]> It uses a custom engine because I'm making it for the WalrusOS, which is going to be me /finally/ developing an EsOS, albeit one that runs on top of another OS in python
00:28:46 <hppavilion[1]> FireFly: Serifs would be hard to render because I have to type commands by hand
00:29:07 <hppavilion[1]> So I would have to tell it where every single line goes
00:29:40 <oerjan> <Taneb> Anything greatly wrong with that? <-- looks good to me
00:30:34 <pikhq> Also, oh my goodness, Zurich has functioning public transit.
00:30:38 <pikhq> It's kinda wonderful.
00:31:06 <FireFly> Sounds nice. I should visit Switzerland someday
00:31:35 <pikhq> It is fairly pleasant from what I've seen.
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00:52:18 <tswett> When a spell is copied, the copy is not cast. If a face-down creature is a copy of a face-up creature, the characteristics the face-down creature has due to being face-down override the characteristics from the copy. If there are no attacking creatures, the declare blockers and combat damage steps are skipped.
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01:25:32 <hppavilion[1]> Because my friend who's going to make a font for this doesn't know JSON xD
01:26:21 <hppavilion[1]> It's buggy and not great to work in, but it will at least allow him to edit fonts and save them to JSON, and along with the test driver see what he's doing
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01:58:35 <adu> hppavilion[1]: is it called fontographer?
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01:59:38 <adu> I personally think the two sexiest font formats are .bdf and .svg
01:59:43 <adu> .otf is overrated
02:01:14 <adu> I once made a single webpage with JS and all for editing .bdf bitmap fonts, it was pretty cool
02:02:29 <adu> hppavilion[1]: is it for bitmap fonts? or vector fonts?
02:02:59 <hppavilion[1]> It's human-readable, if the human can read JSON and Command Prompt
02:03:02 <adu> JSON is not a vector format
02:03:31 <adu> which vector format?
02:03:54 <adu> is it similar to VML paths or SVG paths?
02:04:38 <hppavilion[1]> Well, the entire thing is a simple map that maps single-character strings to a 2-tuple (array in JSON) where the first item is a list of commands encoded as strings and the second is another map for metadata
02:04:56 <hppavilion[1]> adu: It's not really pathy; It's just commands to draw shapes on a canvas
02:05:25 <adu> have you written a spec for it?
02:07:25 <adu> you can't have shapes without paths...
02:08:41 <adu> so like "O": [["Circle[0, 0]"], {"x-advance": 100}]?
02:12:41 <hppavilion[1]> The exact command for O would probably be "ellipse 7 14 7 14"
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02:13:10 <hppavilion[1]> And "x-advance" is actually "width" and it would be valued at 14 in the default font (called "standard" for now)
02:23:41 <adu> hppavilion[1]: I like SVG fonts better
02:23:54 <adu> you can already make ellipses
02:23:57 <hppavilion[1]> adu: They're definitely better, but this is my own thing I'm doing for fun
02:24:13 <adu> hppavilion[1]: after you have fun, you should make an SVG font editor
02:24:33 <hppavilion[1]> adu: It's also made for rendering text in the EsOS, AKA the WalrusOS
02:24:43 <adu> <glyph unicode="O"><ellipse x="" y=""/></glyph>
02:24:55 <adu> you can already make ellipses in SVG fonts
02:25:39 <adu> already relative to your fun, i.e. there are already rendering engines for SVG fonts, for example, Firefox
02:25:39 <hppavilion[1]> I could've just used the builtin text printer, but that wouldn't have been as Eso AND this was more fun AND this way I know what I'm doing AND I've done this before
02:26:18 <adu> I'm just informing you of what exists
02:26:28 <adu> however esoteric it might be
02:26:57 <adu> Just existing in Firefox, doesn't mean it isn't esoteric :)
02:31:13 <adu> I once made a vector version of GNU unifont
02:31:41 <adu> I got bored after uppercase letters
02:32:23 <\oren\> hppavilion[1]: screenshot/demo? I'd love to see this
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02:35:59 <boily> holy fungot was that dosa good. the crêpe was perfect, the curry perfect, the sambar perfect and chattni perfect.
02:35:59 <fungot> boily: the edit that made it a redirect to organizational behavior, or directly to organizational studies? i see there is now a backronym that is in vogue, or having someone else use it is not for advertising and your film is about. i've seen references in the introduction in latin he calls that language ' ' could" have played the joker relevant anymore? that section looks so cluttered with sources and with names that it doesn'
02:36:17 <boily> fungot: a dosa backronyms?
02:36:17 <fungot> boily: the edit described by fnord seems not to provide information for an infobox. a snagboat is essentially any, repeat any, barge with any type of fnord fnord.
02:36:39 <boily> fungot: so it's a snagboat describe by fnord.
02:36:39 <fungot> boily: it might be just me fnord but i don't think that the
02:36:48 <boily> fungot: yes, it's you fnord.
02:36:49 <fungot> boily: ja: it looked like a few months now on the curricula of high schools in the state relative to the cornell figure ( which i can't remember at this minute). but that humanism can be religious, or non-religious is the point of taking them off in the past in its policies. user:laurel bushlaurel bush 11:23, 19 december 2005 ( utc
02:37:43 <hppavilion[1]> From that image I posted, you can see everything except the source code (which is on GitHub)
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02:38:00 <hppavilion[1]> The entirety of all existing fonts AND the editor in all its glory
02:39:05 <boily> your "m" is a little bit un-m-like :P
02:42:32 <\oren\> hppavilion[1]: looks like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Futura_%28typeface%29
02:43:49 <\oren\> I like geometric sans-serif fonts
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02:44:13 <boily> you start with a stroke, then add curves, then strokes, then adjust, then adjust, then why won't it fit, then adjust, then tweak...
02:44:18 <hppavilion[1]> boily: NOW I have an m. It looks awful and unbalanced, but it's certainly legivle
02:44:53 <hppavilion[1]> \oren\: I'm glad it at least doesn't look like Comic Sans xD
02:44:55 <shachaf> oerjan: did you read that pdf twh
02:45:19 <boily> \helloren\, hellochaf, HellockEgo.
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03:00:38 <adu> hppavilion[1]: is your system based on metafont-style paths?
03:01:48 <adu> hppavilion[1]: it's when you use paths with a line-width instead of the traditional outline
03:02:30 <adu> it looks like you're using fixed line-width
03:05:27 <oerjan> shachaf: which pdf twh
03:06:04 <oerjan> no, i'm still backlogged. perhaps more than when i got it.
03:07:18 <oerjan> i have however got a new version of it, as well as an offer of yet another one which i ignored when i realized it required login.
03:08:57 * oerjan checks oots just in case
03:11:05 <hppavilion[1]> adu: No, you can use the `size` command to change line width
03:11:37 <shachaf> oerjan: you have a practically unlimited ootschive ahead of you
03:12:03 <zzo38> I think that the TFM/PK format are good for printer fonts, you can use METAFONT to generate it for the specific printer
03:13:06 <adu> hppavilion[1]: you've just reimplemented metafont
03:15:32 <hppavilion[1]> Mine is going to support nondeterministic characters though :)
03:16:03 <hppavilion[1]> You'll be able to have, for example, the tidle of a character be just /roughly/ above it to make your fonts look more human if you so desire
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03:27:40 <hppavilion[1]> @tell adu I meant tidle. Tidle is the dot above an i or j
03:42:35 <\oren\> hmm. a font that has simulated human error. that's pretty damn cool.
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03:45:29 <Jafet> On the other hand, fonts like to be cached.
03:45:45 <Jafet> Hmm, a random font based on geometry shaders
03:47:37 <hppavilion[1]> Jafet: Not sure how to cache it with my current setup, so...
03:51:21 <zzo38> METAFONT is capable of doing random numbers, although that is decided at compile-time of the font. But, you could make more than 256 character and then use a postprocessor to randomize the high 24-bits of the character codes in the output file, and now you can randomize individual characters by 24-bits.
04:10:49 <hppavilion[1]> I just remembered if I do unicode I'll have to code in combining diacritics
04:11:43 <zgrep> Maybe you should yulp.
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05:11:39 <hppavilion[1]> I'm trying to decide whether to use a dotted or slashed zero
05:18:16 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[WTFZOMFG]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45115&oldid=36296 * 108.213.218.145 * (-1)
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06:46:10 <hppavilion[1]> The 5 and 6 look a little lopsided, but otherwise the numbers are great
06:46:23 <hppavilion[1]> I should've done 32*64 characters instead of 14*28
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07:03:51 <\oren\> hppavilion[1]: a variety of aspect ratios exist for fixed-width fonts
07:05:06 <hppavilion[1]> But I started by maknig mine 14*28 for some reason then realized after completing all of the lowercase letters and many uppercase I should've gone with 32*64
07:06:21 <\oren\> I used a nonstandard appearance for &
07:07:09 <\oren\> I made it a "C" with a slash down from the middle, across the lower limb
07:08:13 <\oren\> http://www.orenwatson.be/fontdemo.htm <-- here it's above F on the first row of the ASCII section
07:11:49 <izabera> oooh heart variations for me
07:13:03 <hppavilion[1]> It seems that I've completely forgon character encoding in my fonts
07:13:20 <izabera> do chinese characters come in two different sizes?
07:13:52 <\oren\> there's no capital oand lowercase chinese
07:14:21 <izabera> then my browser is drawing them incorrectly? http://i.imgur.com/jqTC165.png
07:15:48 <\oren\> Some of the chinese characters in my font have their widths set to 16 pixels instead of the correct 18 pixels
07:16:11 <\oren\> I'll correct it in the next release
07:16:45 <b_jonas> \oren\: ah, so that's why they were shifted!
07:17:16 <b_jonas> \oren\: meanwhile, I'm still asking for the hundred kanji, as well as vertical versions of the long vowel sign, full stop, and comma.
07:17:34 <izabera> you should generate the preview dynamically
07:18:36 <\oren\> izabera: I'll do that, uh... sometime
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07:20:09 <b_jonas> oh, and there was one more. \oren\: add \x{3000}
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07:20:44 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[CASTLE]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45116&oldid=45082 * Quintopia * (+3780) Added randomness, negation and REDGREEN example
07:22:22 <b_jonas> \oren\: oh, have you silently fixed ⟦⟧ ?
07:22:29 <b_jonas> hppavilion[1]: unicode _partly_ supports braille
07:29:53 <b_jonas> I'm saying \x{3000} because although it's not very common, it's also not hard to draw
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07:46:02 <hppavilion[1]> \oren\: I would like your opinion on whether I should break monospace and add double-width characters for nice looks, or preserve monospace at all costs
07:46:48 <hppavilion[1]> (This is the only font I'm making for the forseeable future, so this WILL be used in consoles and such, but the only characters that will be doublewidth are arrows and such)
07:49:02 <\oren\> Ok, somehow the width problem is now only happening in chrome and not firefox?!
07:56:21 <\oren\> I figured it out, this is soooo STUPID
07:59:03 <\oren\> basically, the TTF's I've been generating have been corrupted becouse they have a "width in points" used by chrome, independent from the "width in pixels" that is used by sane programs
07:59:24 <\oren\> and that width is all over the place
08:00:32 <\oren\> I can probably use perl to regenerate the "SWIDTH" though
08:01:30 <b_jonas> \oren\: currently I see characters in the kanji block last line of the demo page that aren't in your font thouhg
08:01:41 <b_jonas> but I'm glad you added the hundred
08:01:59 <\oren\> seriously fuck graphic designers with this fucking inconsistent "DPI" and "points" units
08:02:02 <b_jonas> and some of hte punctuation
08:19:46 <Jafet> There is no upper- or lower-case in han script, but there is 简体 and 繁體.
08:22:10 <lifthras1ir> Jafet: and they are not really interchangable in the same context like upper- and lower-case in latin scripts.
08:23:33 <\oren\> I should make some images of what text looks like in my font (like, real text)
08:35:46 <\oren\> here's an example of a russian passage: http://www.orenwatson.be/russian.png
08:41:48 <Jafet> Why is s rendered as ʃ?
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08:45:57 <\oren\> it is rendered in that shape because that's how I handwrite it
08:46:53 <\oren\> (the characters s and ʃ are different in my font. ʃ is taller)
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09:34:13 <b_jonas> \oren\: yes, me too, I should make images of nice selections of sample text rendered in my font,
09:34:19 <b_jonas> and also images showing all the characters
09:34:34 <b_jonas> but I keep postponing this
09:36:35 <b_jonas> I even have good candidates for what natural language text to show, but it's much harder to find representative program code or similar that shows off all the ascii punctuation characters nicely.
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10:04:26 <HackEgo> brainfuck/brainfuck is the integral of the family of terrible esolangs.
10:04:30 <HackEgo> nih/NIH was /not/ invented by Taneb.
10:04:35 <HackEgo> wlcom/Hi! This is a chat about unusual programming tools. For additional info, visit our wiki: <http://bit.ly/C4TUY>. (For unusual things of a contrasting sort, try http://bit.ly/19k9nf8.)
10:04:41 <HackEgo> composition/composition is where you take morphisms such as Phantom and Hoover from the Pha category and combine them together: Hoover ∘ Phantom.
10:04:48 <HackEgo> wise/Uninstalling software installed by the Wise Installation Wizard is unwise. It's neither clockwise nor counterclockwise nor otherwise.
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10:27:22 <b_jonas> shachaf, or whoever usually does this, please ring the obell
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14:07:27 <HackEgo> olist 1011: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly boily nortti b_jonas
14:08:18 <b_jonas> with like two hours of delay
14:08:27 <oerjan> well i didn't notice it in the logs before because you didn't ping me. have you considered `olist?
14:08:57 <oerjan> you'd still have saved an hour.
14:08:58 <b_jonas> oerjan: you joined like an hour ago
14:09:03 <Sgeo> And thus I confirm that IFTTT is better than it claims to be in regards to RSS processing.
14:09:05 <b_jonas> I didn't notice you enter, because I was busy
14:09:15 <Sgeo> It claims it needs RSS feeds to have a GUID. It does not.
14:09:34 <b_jonas> it's Friday and I'm working and writing emails about crazy security bugs
14:09:54 <b_jonas> and about a buggy attepmt to fix it
14:10:05 <oerjan> b_jonas: there are no bugs, they're just out to get you hth
14:10:33 <\oren\> it's not a bug if they really are out to get you
14:10:36 <b_jonas> oerjan: no, there _are_ bugs, but they're trying to tell me there are none to get me
14:10:52 <quintopia> bugs in your bedroom, on your phone line, on your computer...
14:11:09 <b_jonas> they replied to my first report saying that it's not a bug
14:11:25 <b_jonas> I had to write a second report till they believed it
14:11:34 <b_jonas> they still didn't acknoledge it was a bug, mind you
14:14:47 <\oren\> New feature request for OpenSSH: make it so my enemies can't take my passwords.
14:17:06 <b_jonas> \oren\: that's not a feature request. that's http://www.xkcd.com/1086/
14:17:32 <\oren\> I think i've fixed the chinese character wodths btw
14:18:02 <\oren\> yeah looks fixed in both chrome and fireofx
14:18:48 <b_jonas> \oren\: in the demo page, why are some of the Latin Extended still green?
14:20:15 <b_jonas> oh, you added \x{3000}, I just didn't notice it because it wasn't obviously green. great!
14:20:47 <b_jonas> \oren\: ok, now I'd still like a vertical writing version of the kana long vowel sign
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14:22:36 <b_jonas> \oren\: less importantly, "ゝ" and "ゞ"
14:23:07 <b_jonas> but those are weird symbols. the vertical version of the long vowel sign is actually important.
14:23:37 <\oren\> quintopia: http://www.orenwatson.be/fontdemo.htm
14:24:10 <\oren\> it's a page ostensible containing every character in my font sorted into catagories
14:25:15 <\oren\> there's about 5200 characters in the font
14:25:46 <b_jonas> \oren\: and, I might not be familiar with the subtleties here, but isn't the bopomofo letter "ㄧ" supposed to be a horizontal line, similar in appearance to "一" ?
14:25:58 <\oren\> quintopia: why not font?
14:25:59 <b_jonas> in your font it appears as a vertical line
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14:28:30 <b_jonas> \oren\: also, weren't you planning to do the halfwidth Hangul letters at some point?
14:28:42 <b_jonas> it shouldn't be hard because there's only a few dozen
14:29:05 <b_jonas> about 50 or 60 or something
14:33:14 <oerjan> b_jonas: "ㄧ" is vertical in my terminal
14:33:29 <b_jonas> oerjan: maybe it can be vertical then, I don't know
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14:33:44 <fizzie> Writing systems: what are they good for, really?
14:33:56 <fizzie> fungot: Is your code written horizontally or vertically?
14:33:56 <fungot> fizzie: fnord ( b) on the mtv fnord seal the deal on what the second tombolo looked like 100 years ago should attract such nonsense. mormons need to wake up to the sharks and makes them run and hide, constantly chases the tiger barbs, and fnord
14:34:26 <fungot> Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack oots pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp* youtube
14:34:35 <quintopia> fizzie: they are good for propaganda and lawyers
14:34:53 <fizzie> fungot: What's your opinion on edit wars?
14:34:54 <fungot> fizzie: a native american tribe, and i'm quite pleased with the result. graphs and charts were messed up and it seemed to be useful: " egypt became a powerful modernized, industrial force in the middle ages: western europe'
14:35:06 <fizzie> Ah, the native American Edit War tribe.
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14:36:18 * oerjan sees an obvious last moment solution in oots, if the right priest/god were willing to consider it (maybe heimdall)
14:37:28 <b_jonas> oerjan: the obvious solution is that priests just suck it up and break the rules of the godsmoot openly afterall, because if the world is destroyed, it doesn't matter anymore
14:38:05 <oerjan> i meant a solution that doesn't break the rules.
14:39:05 <oerjan> also, if the rules are broken, the gods that disagree with the result might go to war, or something.
14:39:41 <b_jonas> oerjan: well, one solution is still to just kill the vampire
14:40:04 <oerjan> well, sure, but only roy can do it and no one can help him
14:40:47 <oerjan> but what i'm thinking of is this - the rules forbid taking back votes, but they're still annulled if the priest dies...
14:41:03 <oerjan> so it just requires one suicide.
14:41:33 <b_jonas> oerjan: that won't work. not without breaking rules here. the high priests are representing the gods here, who are ordering them to act on their behalf, including voting.
14:41:44 <b_jonas> they can't suddenly disobey their gods.
14:41:54 <b_jonas> not their own gods that is.
14:42:01 <b_jonas> why would a high priest do that?
14:42:33 <b_jonas> someone else killing a priest, possibly disguised as an unfortunate accident, sure, that could work. but suicide? no way.
14:44:00 <oerjan> b_jonas: because some of the gods, like heimdall, now desperately wish they _could_ change their vote.
14:44:19 <b_jonas> oerjan: no, I don't think gods are now thinking that.
14:44:40 <b_jonas> oerjan: that's just what the fans are thinking, not what the gods are thinking.
14:44:59 <b_jonas> I for one don't think any of the gods want to change their rules.
14:46:08 <oerjan> b_jonas: http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1001.html
14:46:26 <oerjan> it's the gods conversing there.
14:46:57 <oerjan> and i said vote, not rules
14:47:34 <b_jonas> oerjan: hmm, maybe, but I don't think the rise of Hel to more power is such a big problem for the gods. Hel would suddenly go from about 0 souls to about 12e6 souls. that's a big deal for Hel clearly, but not that much in the grand scheme of things, when the other gods already have like 1e8 souls or more, and there are 20 other gods around.
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14:48:08 <b_jonas> But even if Heimdall really wanted to change his vote, he can't now, so it doesn't matter.
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14:48:31 <b_jonas> He can't even order his priest to suicide, because that would amount to changing his vote, and breaking the rules, so the gods would turn against her.
14:48:43 <oerjan> b_jonas: http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1000.html, panel 12, second bubble
14:49:17 <oerjan> although perhaps Hel is too optimistic.
14:49:28 <b_jonas> oerjan: yes, Hel does say "Queen of the Northern Pantheon", but I don't believe in that
14:49:38 <b_jonas> she would _still_ gain a lot from this
14:49:42 <b_jonas> so it might be worth for hre
14:49:50 <b_jonas> and she can't stop gloating
14:49:59 <b_jonas> I can excuse some hyperboles
14:51:13 <b_jonas> oerjan: also, in #1001, Heimdall doesn't even say anything. only Loki speaks.
14:51:40 <b_jonas> Hel assuming that Heimdall wants to change his vote might be wrong
14:53:17 <oerjan> > compare (10e8/20) 12e6
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14:53:34 <oerjan> > compare (1e8/20) 12e6
14:54:05 <b_jonas> oerjan: um no, you're comparing the wrong awy
14:55:20 <b_jonas> I meant that each god has 1e8 soul, though that might be a bit too much, considering that dwarves live for 200 years and this world might not have existed for so long
14:55:46 <oerjan> well we've not established the total population of the world have we
14:56:49 <b_jonas> And about Heimdall, he gave a speech where he explains that he's totally afraid of "the danger of which we dare not speak" is so important that he has to ignore the comparatively smaller losses like all their followers' bodies.
14:57:04 <oerjan> that was bodies, not souls.
14:57:15 <b_jonas> I don't think even Hel becoming Queen of the Northern Pantheon would make him change his mind, because the danger is still worse than what Hel could do as a Queen
14:57:42 <b_jonas> Hel would still be bound by the laws the gods and pantheons made among themselves, the danger probably doesn't.
14:57:54 <b_jonas> Sure, it's just bodies, but still
14:58:24 <b_jonas> yeah, you have a point, he also says "but their souls will pass on to our respective realms as normal."
14:58:52 <b_jonas> oerjan: we don't know how old the world is, nor whether there are many dwarves compared to other races, such as humans
14:59:10 <b_jonas> Or the exchange rate between dwarf souls and human souls
14:59:37 <oerjan> 1e8 souls per god means 2 billion population for the whole world, which is way above mideval levels.
15:00:20 <b_jonas> oerjan: it's not 2 billion population. that includes all the old souls who'd died centuries ago
15:00:24 <b_jonas> Hel got very little of those
15:04:15 <oerjan> anyway, it's rather narratively unlikely that the world is really going to end at this point, so it's just a matter of how rich burlew resolves it.
15:04:26 <b_jonas> Plus, if the world is destroyed, Thor and Loki might start arguing to rationalize why the dwarves did die in honor afterall, if they were sacrificed as the only solution to protect their gods of a great unknown danger.
15:06:17 <oerjan> that would be just like them.
15:06:37 <oerjan> it was a pretty shitty way to treat Hel from the start.
15:07:05 <oerjan> even if the retribution is disproportional.
15:08:00 <oerjan> of course, she'd probably been an asshole in advance to make them come up with it.
15:09:15 <b_jonas> I'm not sure anyone "came up with it". The gods needn't have known that dwarves would live such an honorable life when they created the world and its races.
15:09:53 <b_jonas> Really. I mean, the other races aren't all like that.
15:10:27 <oerjan> except durkon talked about dwarves ending their lives in honorable battle with conifers.
15:10:51 <oerjan> oh hm is that that tree thing again
15:11:46 <b_jonas> yeah. maybe the other Northern gods were just more successful in motivating dwarves to live an honorable life until their death than Hel was in motivating the dwarves to live a life of sin.
15:11:58 <b_jonas> I don't really know the backstory there.
15:12:29 <oerjan> no, i mean, that's pretty cop out way of getting an "honorable" death.
15:36:48 <shachaf> b_jonas: oerjan presumably logreads or at least loggreps so his absence should not preclude you from olisting hth
15:37:29 <b_jonas> so next time I should simply ask oerjan if I'd like the next strip to appear?
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15:46:24 <lambdabot> oerjan said 17h 20m 2s ago: see logs
15:46:24 <lambdabot> oerjan said 16h 38m 53s ago: <mroman> That sounds very pejorative. <-- it's the actual haskell motto hth
15:46:25 <shachaf> is there anything preventing what's-his-name from killing the yellow-hair halfling?
15:46:47 <shachaf> i guess it's too late now that the demigod priests have already ben fetched
15:47:34 <shachaf> also today's olist is clearly alluding to smlist
15:47:52 <HackEgo> smlist 431: shachaf monqy elliott mnoqy
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16:02:52 <oerjan> shachaf: the halfling is the high priest of balder, so yes.
16:03:07 <oerjan> http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0999.html
16:03:49 <shachaf> i thought they sent some other person for some reason
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16:06:10 <b_jonas> isn't it crazy that a god of beauty is called Balder? does that mean balder elves are more beautiful than hairy ones?
16:10:02 <oerjan> b_jonas: "bald" originally meant "white spot", and the name Balder may mean "the white one"
16:12:00 <scoofy> and then boulder dash was born
16:15:04 <oerjan> wiktionary's entry on balderdash says "Unknown, possibly from the early English drink of wine mixed with beer or water or other substances that was sold cheaply."
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17:54:29 <mroman> I thought more specific css rules overwrite less specific
18:03:05 <mroman> how can I set the title of the generated .html with pandoc?
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18:03:56 <hppavilion[1]> \oren\: I never got your opinion on preserving monospace
18:04:21 <mroman> but that's just a prefix
18:05:14 <Taneb> I enjoy giving partial explanations
18:05:26 <Taneb> "Why do you have a cake?" "It was my birthday last Tuesday"
18:06:53 <mroman> damn. now it includes a header div
18:09:37 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[User:-Dark-Phantom-]] M http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45117&oldid=45113 * -Dark-Phantom- * (+42)
18:10:29 <Taneb> Trivia: if you multiply -Dark-Phantom- with Phantom_Hoover, you get Dark Hoover
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18:12:29 <Taneb> Actually that might be division
18:12:41 <Taneb> I've just had a seminar on the simplex algorithm
18:12:47 <Taneb> These things get confusing
18:20:05 <Taneb> \oren\ may be using a bouncer
18:27:45 <FireFly> Taneb: wouldn't you either get Dark Phantom² Hoover or Dark/Hoover?
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18:34:24 <jameseb> Isn't what Taneb mentioned the symmetric difference of -Dark-Phantom- and Phantom_Hoover?
18:35:40 <jameseb> or would that be -Dark--_Hoover?
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19:44:02 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[User:-Dark-Phantom-/DStack]] N http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=45119 * -Dark-Phantom- * (+3096) Under construction...
19:55:23 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Brian & Chuck]] N http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=45120 * Martin Büttner * (+4089) Created page with "'''Brian & Chuck''' is an esoteric programming language with two mutually modifying Brainfuck-like programs developed by [[user:Martin Büttner]]. The language was remotely in..."
19:55:53 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Brian & Chuck]] M http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45121&oldid=45120 * Martin Büttner * (+0)
20:00:18 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Brian & Chuck]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45122&oldid=45121 * Martin Büttner * (+205) formatting and examples
20:05:27 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Hello world program in esoteric languages]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45123&oldid=45102 * Martin Büttner * (+262) add Hexagony and Brian & Chuck
20:07:34 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[User:Martin Büttner]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45124&oldid=44230 * Martin Büttner * (+141) add Brian & Chuck
20:08:27 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Language list]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45125&oldid=45083 * Martin Büttner * (+20) /* B */ add Brian & Chuck
20:08:53 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Language list]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45126&oldid=45125 * Martin Büttner * (+16) /* M */
20:13:16 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[User:-Dark-Phantom-/DStack]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45127&oldid=45119 * -Dark-Phantom- * (+550) /* Instructions */
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21:06:49 <izabera> https://github.com/chrissimpkins/codeface oooh
21:10:22 <fizzie> I thought the wine shop sign said they're selling "mouse wine", but it was just a very hastily drawn H.
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21:48:18 <myname> what's the difference to x = function() { ... }; while(x()) { ... }?
21:50:11 <hppavilion[1]> myname: Well, you can call the same while loop repeatedly, and there could be some sort of function that modifies the while loop before calling
21:51:01 <myname> as you can do with an anonymous function
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22:01:30 <b_jonas> draft plan on where I'm considering to put extra letters on my keymap => http://www.math.bme.hu/~ambrus/pu/keymap.html
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22:02:31 <b_jonas> go find the problems with it
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22:35:32 <zzo38> I think that CSS should allow priority to be explicitly set for rules, and that user settings are allowed to set the maximum/minimum priorities for CSS from different sources, and then the normal CSS priority rules apply in case of conflict
22:36:26 <zzo38> (So that user CSS has unlimited range of priority, while webpages have a limit)
22:39:41 <zzo38> (Also it would help to allow to select based on rules and select a parent element containing a matched child; this is mainly helpful in user CSS)
22:40:07 <scoofy> write to the consortium
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23:08:38 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[User:-Dark-Phantom-/DStack]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45131&oldid=45130 * -Dark-Phantom- * (+258) /* Comments */
23:13:59 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[User:-Dark-Phantom-/DStack]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45132&oldid=45131 * -Dark-Phantom- * (+137)
23:18:00 * boily pokes hppavilion[1] with a felt-tip mapole
23:18:14 <boily> *poke poke poke* *poke* *poke poke* *poke poke*
23:18:45 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[User:-Dark-Phantom-/DStack]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45133&oldid=45132 * -Dark-Phantom- * (+162) /* Execution */
23:19:01 <olsner> a soft mapole? sounds like an oxymoron
23:19:19 <HackEgo> boily is monetizing a broterhood scheme with the Guardian of Lachine, apparently involving cookie dealing. He's also a NaniDispenser, a Trigotillectomic Man Eating Chicken and a METARologist. He is seriously lacking in the f-word department.
23:19:34 <hppavilion[1]> boily: You should create a page on Mapoles in your userspace. Or did I do that already in mine? If it's in mine, you should add more information to it
23:20:04 <olsner> it appears that trigotillectomic is a made up boilyword
23:20:33 <boily> hellolsner. I made that word?
23:21:07 <boily> hppavilion[1]: adding infos to the wiki is something I do, yes, but extremely rarely.
23:21:51 <olsner> boily: I get 4 hits on google, three of them are that wisdom entry, the fourth is one of your chickeny quit messages
23:22:44 <boily> probably one of my bests boilywords.
23:23:27 <olsner> it does remind me of trichotillomania though
23:24:01 <HackEgo> trigotillectomic? ¯\(°_o)/¯
23:24:06 <HackEgo> trigotillectomy? ¯\(°_o)/¯
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23:29:29 <b_jonas> Hmm no, this won't work. control+caps-lock+a and control+caps-lock+e are also ahrd to press. I'll have to rethink this whole conception.
23:31:13 <boily> b_jhellonas. working on your layout?
23:33:18 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[User:-Dark-Phantom-/DStack]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45134&oldid=45133 * -Dark-Phantom- * (+3508) /* Examples */
23:33:49 <boily> Phantom_Helloover. Thinking of adding a `le/rn?
23:45:32 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[DStack]] N http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=45135 * -Dark-Phantom- * (+10318) Almost complete :D
23:46:45 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[User:-Dark-Phantom-]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45136&oldid=45117 * -Dark-Phantom- * (-38)
23:51:23 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[DStack]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45137&oldid=45135 * -Dark-Phantom- * (-15)