00:04:24 quintopia: i feel that a deterministic X is against the spirit of the language. 00:05:19 oerjan: what if I found a seed for random numbers such that the current implementation becomes a TM simulator 00:06:04 because that would essentially make the part after X part of CHIQRSX9+ itself. 00:06:22 fungot: wait, are you saying that working out leads to death? I mean, okay, it's not wrong, but it is awful marketing nonetheless. 00:06:23 int-e: even ignoring the bootstrapping issues ( which yasos makes difficult while t does not contain any intelligible finnish words. reality. distortion. field. you can inflect adjectives, but that's not the lisp way of function application, to support thread interruption and user repl interruption. it costs like fnord a lot 00:06:33 quintopia: the current implementation is a perl simulator if you get 0, hth 00:07:05 oerjan: how's that? 00:07:28 ...i suggest you look at it... 00:07:29 "(The Perl implementation generates a random number, adds it to each character in the program, and interprets the resulting program code as Perl code.)" 00:07:39 oh 00:07:44 (or read ... and believe ... the wiki) 00:08:02 i was thinking it just executed the output of the random number generator directly 00:08:08 bad memory 00:08:36 how come no one ever told me about fractran tdnh <-- my apologies 00:08:55 that would be interesting but less obviously turing complete... in fact, unlikely to be turing complete... uh, hard to say... but there's not much entropy to work with. 00:09:33 well we're not supposed to know whether or not it is actually turing-complete anyway 00:10:07 Night, all 00:10:15 I suppose one could write a program in the current version that is a TM simulator regardless of the random number 00:10:22 tanite 00:10:49 oerjan: accepted tdh 00:10:51 just make the part that becomes legible perl code consider the rest of the program a comment or string 00:11:13 shachaf: fwiw, I've seen oerjan talk about fractran quite a bit 00:11:15 quintopia: no, that is not possible; you always risk the first character becoming a perl syntax error. (e.g. a right parenthesis) 00:11:26 ^style 00:11:26 Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc* iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack oots pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube 00:11:42 oerjan: no way around that? 00:11:59 int-e: i must not have been paying attention 00:12:09 or perhaps not present 00:12:27 fungot's irc is the uncanny semi-sentient style... where one can typically read half a sentence before noticing anything wrong 00:12:27 int-e: yes, i know 00:12:34 nope. it's a modulo 256 addition and all numbers 0 <= n < 256 are possible 00:12:38 fungot: well, that was a bit cheap 00:12:39 int-e: i don't play ircnomic any more either side of the force, of course. i just need to find out how to 00:12:47 ircnomic, eh. 00:13:08 fungot: anyway, good luck with finding that out 00:13:08 int-e: that name fnord not the only) languages where the very nature *is* to be esoteric.... seems like it was before i moved here 00:13:35 int-e: that first response was just beautiful 00:13:38 quintopia: although you could try to aim for maximal probability of being accepted... 00:14:02 `quoteadd fungot's irc is the uncanny semi-sentient style... where one can typically read half a sentence before noticing anything wrong int-e: yes, i know 00:14:02 FireFly: how do i pipe darcs' output to it? if it matters 00:14:03 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: quoteadd: not found 00:14:06 (it's not that the other styles are that bad, but they do stand out more) 00:14:11 oerjan: what does the current implementation do if such a syntax error is encountered? 00:14:17 `addquote fungot's irc is the uncanny semi-sentient style... where one can typically read half a sentence before noticing anything wrong int-e: yes, i know 00:14:17 FireFly: all planets are in the order of evaluation? isn't that like saying sociology is mostly english and not writing anything 00:14:19 1259) fungot's irc is the uncanny semi-sentient style... where one can typically read half a sentence before noticing anything wrong int-e: yes, i know 00:14:26 oerjan: is there no way to catch such an error? 00:14:52 -!- variable has joined. 00:14:59 FireFly: that's mean, my grammar there is worse than fungot's. 00:15:00 int-e: you sensitive twit. if a robot collides with a piece of c folklore now. compiler implementors still talk of " mimicing monty python sketches, of course, my owner has to find any 00:15:11 quintopia: whatever perl's eval does, so i'm not sure... 00:15:17 * int-e weeps. 00:15:27 `perl -e eval(")"); eval(print "hi"); 00:15:27 hi 00:15:40 `? twit 00:15:41 twit? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 00:15:44 int-e: ah it does at least continue with the remaining commands. 00:15:56 (assuming it works as in my test) 00:16:07 that _might_ be enough to make it work? 00:16:10 a twit is someone who twiits 00:16:32 what's a twitter? 00:16:43 Probably someone who twitters 00:16:54 a twitter is someone who turns people into twits 00:17:06 Ah yes, the act of twittering 00:17:56 oerjan: to be fair, int-e never told me about it either 00:18:06 I didn't either :( 00:18:06 nor did FireFly 00:18:07 hm i've not thought about that before, the implementation will _still_ interpret everything after X as commands, too 00:18:12 Fractran is an interesting language 00:18:18 including further Xes. 00:18:33 (fwiw, 'twit' is an actual english word) 00:20:51 @wn twit 00:20:53 *** "twit" wn "WordNet (r) 3.0 (2006)" 00:20:53 twit 00:20:53 n 1: someone who is regarded as contemptible [syn: {twerp}, 00:20:53 {twirp}, {twit}] 00:20:53 2: aggravation by deriding or mocking or criticizing [syn: 00:20:55 [7 @more lines] 00:20:58 @wn twitter 00:20:59 *** "twitter" wn "WordNet (r) 3.0 (2006)" 00:20:59 twitter 00:21:01 n 1: a series of chirps [syn: {chirrup}, {twitter}] 00:21:03 v 1: make high-pitched sounds, as of birds [syn: {chitter}, 00:21:05 {twitter}] 00:22:07 "aggravation by deriding or mocking or criticizing" <-- that does sound like a fair description of twitter(.com). 00:22:10 -!- variable has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 00:22:45 Oh, you figured it out. The true etymology 00:24:03 quintopia: actually the implementation errors out at unknown commands, that makes this harder i think. 00:24:58 !chiqrsx9+ XXXXXXXXXXXXX 00:25:16 i thought it had this 00:25:19 !sh echo hi 00:25:21 hi 00:25:29 !chiqrsx9+ XXXXXXXXXXXXXQ 00:25:40 !help interps 00:25:40 ​Sorry, I have no help for interps! 00:25:46 !help languages 00:25:46 ​languages: Esoteric: 1l 2l adjust asm axo bch befunge befunge98 bf bf8 bf16 bf32 boolfuck cintercal clcintercal dimensifuck glass glypho haskell kipple lambda lazyk linguine malbolge pbrain perl qbf rail rhotor sadol sceql trigger udage01 underload unlambda whirl. Competitive: bfjoust fyb. Other: asm c cxx forth sh. 00:25:57 !userinterps 00:25:57 ​Installed user interpreters: _ about acro aol austro bc bct bf2c bfbignum botsnack brit brooklyn bypass_ignore bytes cat chaos chiqrsx9p choo cmd cpick ctcp dc decide drawl drome dubya echo ehird elmer fudd glogbot_ignore google graph hello helloworld hug id inc insanetemp jethro kraut lg lperl lsh map monqy num numberwang ook pansy pi pikhq ping pirate plot postmodern postmodern_aoler prefixes python python2 redneck reverse rimshot rot13 rot47 ruby_ sadbf san 00:26:01 oh 00:26:09 !chiqrsx9p XXXXXXXXXXXXX 00:26:10 No output. 00:26:14 !chiqrsx9p XXXXXXXXXXXXXQ 00:26:14 No output. 00:26:18 wat 00:26:25 !chiqrsx9p QQ 00:26:25 QQ \ QQ 00:26:35 !chiqrsx9p XX 00:26:36 No output. 00:26:40 !chiqrsx9p QXX 00:26:40 QXX 00:28:35 oh wait it _does_ clear the program. 00:28:40 !chiqrsx9p XH 00:28:40 No output. 00:28:47 so no chance then. 00:31:23 oerjan: it clears the program and then adds the empty program to the random number? 00:31:44 doesn't sound even *theoretically* TC 00:32:42 well you can test all seeds ;) 00:34:16 oh you mean an error clears the program 00:36:37 soo... would a machine be Turing-complete if any program had only a 2^(-32) chance of running correctly? This kind of adversarial randomness is quite unusual... 00:37:34 yes 00:37:37 (Usually you'd get a chance detect and retry a failed computation, but I don't see how this would work here) 00:38:08 and it's not that unusual 00:38:10 I mean 00:38:36 the earliest programmable computers quit working if a moth flew into them... 00:39:08 I suppose the odds they produced a correct result was greater than 2^(-32) but I also think it is in this case 00:44:16 Hmm, I guess I'm thinking in terms of models of computation; the point of those is to abstract from hardware failures and resource limitations. In that context, probabilistic models typically allow to get success probabilities arbitrarily close to one, usually by retrying a procedure with a fixed success probability often enough. 00:45:13 -!- Sprocklem_ has quit (Quit: brb). 00:45:46 But that's perhaps narrow-minded... people trying to guess pin codes are happy even with low success probabilities if they have enough debit cards at their disposal. 00:49:26 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 01:12:57 somehow this made me smile... http://www.surlyqueen.net/loas/2015/03/05/558-somewhere/ 01:13:12 (Harley's a cat) 01:17:54 oh you mean an error clears the program <-- i mean an X clears the program after running the rest as perl, error or not. 01:20:45 that's what i intended, i just didn't realize on rereading the code that i'd succeeded. 01:21:23 well, ideally maybe errors should be propagated too. 01:25:40 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 01:28:55 -!- variable has joined. 01:32:39 -!- mbrcknl has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 01:33:19 -!- ocharles__ has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 01:33:42 -!- skarn has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 01:34:45 -!- nchambers has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 01:35:06 -!- conehead has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 01:36:59 -!- Intellygent has quit (K-Lined). 01:37:24 -!- ocharles__ has joined. 01:37:32 -!- nchambers has joined. 01:38:51 -!- cnr has joined. 01:38:51 -!- cnr has quit (Changing host). 01:38:51 -!- cnr has joined. 01:39:33 -!- variable has changed nick to constant. 01:39:59 -!- mbrcknl has joined. 01:46:40 -!- skarn has joined. 01:53:48 -!- Vinegar has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 02:11:38 oerjan: so the whole "keep executing after an error" is a bust. Which means there is some maximum p<1 probability the X will do anything useful. 02:12:39 yeah 02:27:39 -!- Vinegar has joined. 02:30:56 -!- bb010g has joined. 02:37:00 `` cat wisdom/*S* 02:37:01 Nose such file or directory 02:37:07 `` ls wisdom/*S* 02:37:08 wisdom/ENOSTRIL 02:37:23 `rm wisdom/ENOSTRIL 02:37:25 No output. 02:37:27 why 02:37:43 because all wisdom/ is case lowered by default 02:37:50 *automatically 02:37:56 so? 02:38:01 and boily for some reason rejected that 02:38:14 well it means it will never show up with `? that way 02:38:32 * oerjan considers `wisdom borderline heresy 02:39:10 hm... 02:39:16 `` cat bin/wisdom 02:39:17 F="$(find wisdom/*"$1"* -type f | shuf -n1)"; echo -n "${F#wisdom/}/" | rnooodl; cat "$F" | rnooodl 02:39:24 wrong 02:39:28 very wrong 02:39:55 also what is rnooodl? 02:40:02 `` sed -i 's/shuf/grep -v "[A-Z]" | shuf' bin/wisdom 02:40:03 sed: -e expression #1, char 29: unterminated `s' command 02:40:11 `` sed -i 's/shuf/grep -v "[A-Z]/" | shuf' bin/wisdom 02:40:12 sed: -e expression #1, char 23: unknown option to `s' 02:40:15 argh 02:40:23 `` sed -i 's/shuf/grep -v "[A-Z]" | shuf/' bin/wisdom 02:40:26 No output. 02:40:31 `cat bin/wisdom 02:40:31 F="$(find wisdom/*"$1"* -type f | grep -v "[A-Z]" | shuf -n1)"; echo -n "${F#wisdom/}/" | rnooodl; cat "$F" | rnooodl 02:40:35 still wrong 02:40:41 how so 02:40:43 -!- Vinegar has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 02:40:50 *"$1"* -> "*$1*" 02:41:08 um, no? 02:41:11 uhm yes 02:42:06 `` find wisdom/"*wisdom*" -type f 02:42:07 find: `wisdom/*wisdom*': No such file or directory 02:42:17 `` find wisdom/*"wisdom"* -type f 02:42:19 wisdom/something-that-isn't-in-hackego's-wisdom \ wisdom/wisdom \ wisdom/wisdome 02:42:24 definitely no. 02:42:47 it's also wrong in that it should use -name 02:43:01 `` find wisdom -name "*wisdom*" -type f 02:43:02 wisdom/something-that-isn't-in-hackego's-wisdom \ wisdom/wisdome \ wisdom/wisdom 02:43:32 `` ls wisdom/* | grep '[*]' 02:43:44 wisdom/brainf**k 02:44:12 `wisdom ** 02:44:13 -!- codergeek42 has joined. 02:44:13 brainf**k/There is no such thing as brainf**k. You may be thinking of brainfuck. 02:44:24 the whole point of find over a shell glob in cases like this is to avoid E2BIG 02:45:48 -!- lleu has quit (Quit: That's what she said). 02:45:59 yes, but it would break the vital case of `wisdom ** hth 02:46:13 what 02:46:29 ah i see... 02:46:34 i wouldn't say "break" tho 02:46:57 admittedly it's sort of properly ironic. 02:48:05 oh hm 02:48:12 `cat bin/? 02:48:13 ​#!/bin/sh \ topic=$(echo "$1" | lowercase | sed "s/noo\+dl/nooodl/;s/ *$//") \ topic1=$(echo "$topic" | sed "s/s$//") \ cd wisdom \ if [ \( "$topic1" = "ngevd" \) -a \( -e ngevd \) ]; \ then cat /dev/urandom; \ elif [ -e "$topic" ]; \ then cat "$topic" | rnooodl; \ elif [ -e "$topic1" ]; \ then cat "$topic1" | rnooodl; \ 02:48:28 `cat bin/wisdom 02:48:28 F="$(find wisdom/*"$1"* -type f | grep -v "[A-Z]" | shuf -n1)"; echo -n "${F#wisdom/}/" | rnooodl; cat "$F" | rnooodl 02:49:29 `? noodl 02:49:30 nooodl is the correct spelling 02:49:34 `? noodl 02:49:34 nooooodl is the correct spelling 02:49:45 izabera: rnooodl is a very important program 02:49:57 `cat bin/rnooodl 02:49:57 perl -pe 's/([Nn])ooodl/"$1@{[o x(3+rand 7)]}dl"/ge' 02:50:04 `mk/x bin/wisdom//F="$(find wisdom -name "*"$(echo "$1" | lowercase)"*" -type f | shuf -n1)"; echo -n "${F#wisdom/}/" | rnooodl; cat "$F" | rnooodl 02:50:05 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: /hackenv/mk/x: No such file or directory 02:50:11 oops 02:50:15 `mkx bin/wisdom//F="$(find wisdom -name "*"$(echo "$1" | lowercase)"*" -type f | shuf -n1)"; echo -n "${F#wisdom/}/" | rnooodl; cat "$F" | rnooodl 02:50:18 bin/wisdom 02:50:27 `wisdom wisdom 02:50:29 something-that-isn't-in-hackego's-wisdom/It is now. 02:50:37 `cat bin/mkx 02:50:38 key=$(mk "$@") && echo "$key" && chmod +x "$key" 02:51:18 `wisdom misspellings of 02:51:19 find: paths must precede expression: of* \ Usage: find [-H] [-L] [-P] [-Olevel] [-D help|tree|search|stat|rates|opt|exec] [path...] [expression] \ /cat: : No such file or directory 02:51:23 darn 02:52:04 `cat bin/nooodl 02:52:05 cat: bin/nooodl: No such file or directory 02:52:08 `cat bin/noodl 02:52:09 cat: bin/noodl: No such file or directory 02:52:13 `mkx bin/wisdom//F="$(find wisdom -name "*""$(echo "$1" | lowercase)""*" -type f | shuf -n1)"; echo -n "${F#wisdom/}/" | rnooodl; cat "$F" | rnooodl 02:52:15 bin/wisdom 02:52:18 `wisdom misspellings of 02:52:19 misspellings of croissant/misspellings of crosant? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 02:52:22 yay! 02:52:26 <\oren\> I'm working on making a program to autogenerate my font character inventory page 02:52:40 i thought it was auto generated already 02:52:53 <\oren\> No, I just add characters manually each time 02:53:11 hm that looks redundant 02:53:19 <\oren\> which is why sometimes there are errors like characters in the font but not on the page, or vice versa 02:53:26 `mkx bin/wisdom//F="$(find wisdom -name "*$(echo "$1" | lowercase)*" -type f | shuf -n1)"; echo -n "${F#wisdom/}/" | rnooodl; cat "$F" | rnooodl 02:53:28 bin/wisdom 02:53:30 `wisdom misspellings of 02:53:31 misspellings of croissant/misspellings of crosant? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 02:53:38 `wisdom taneb 02:53:39 tanebventory/The Tanebventory is big. Really big. For one thing, it contains a Hilbert hotel. 02:53:39 do you mean generating it via php every time it's requested? 02:54:19 i mean it probably won't overload your server but still <.< 02:55:48 -!- mauris_ has joined. 02:56:00 `wisdom 02:56:01 friendship/friendship wisdom 02:58:47 -!- mauris has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 03:07:55 <\oren\> izabera: nah, i'll generate it each time I upload a new version of my font. 03:10:12 wise choice 03:13:13 i wrote this: http://arin.ga/anwWvN/raw 03:13:28 it's one of the best pieces of bash code i've ever written 03:13:34 no kidding 03:13:37 i'm proud of it 03:13:45 -!- andrew has joined. 03:14:29 wrote it to show how clear looking bash can be (and there's a hidden trick that makes it possible and that trick is the part i'm proud of) 03:16:04 if you find it you win a unicorn* 03:16:05 -!- Vinegar has joined. 03:16:15 *unicorn is pink and invisible 03:29:33 -!- Intellygent has joined. 03:35:37 The return value perhaps? 03:35:45 I guess that is a global `return`, seems kinda icky 03:36:03 another way to return is echo and $( ) 03:36:21 I usually do that 03:37:00 that wouldn't work 03:37:20 use of "$@" to pass on all args? 03:37:36 that's... just what $@ does? 03:37:58 anyway every variable you affect in $( ) is lost afterwards 03:38:12 so you can't swap things in the array with $( ) 03:39:46 anyway the trick is to use $A[i] in (( )) 03:39:54 the name of the array being passed in 03:40:00 yeeeah that 03:40:26 $A[i] is not an array, $A expands to the name, followed by [i] 03:40:31 and (( )) uses it as an array 03:40:37 so that's the magic thing \o/ 03:41:51 Ah 03:41:58 (( )) is kinda weird 03:42:09 but it looks so natural :D 03:44:13 <\oren\> IT WORKS 03:44:18 <\oren\> http://www.orenwatson.be/allchars.htm 03:44:20 -!- ^v has joined. 03:44:24 neat :D 03:44:37 whoa they're a shitload 03:45:07 <\oren\> there're 03:45:43 <\oren\> or in my better spelling system DerR 03:47:04 -!- Intellygent has quit (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client). 03:47:17 -!- Vinegar has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 03:47:19 i can't see some of them 03:47:24 <\oren\> about 5568 characters 03:47:29 Neat.. your font supports some characters that render incorrectly for me in the .txt file 03:47:30 some chineese characters 03:47:33 <\oren\> izabera: some are glitched 03:48:03 there's a missing one in the 4th line from the bottom in the chineese characters rectangle 03:48:12 `unidecode ἖἗⯠⯡𐐦𐐧 03:48:14 U+1F16 - No such unicode character name in database \ UTF-8: e1 bc 96 UTF-16BE: 1f16 Decimal: ἖ \ ἖ (἖) \ Uppercase: U+1F16 \ Category: Cn (Other, Not Assigned) \ \ U+1F17 - No such unicode character name in database \ UTF-8: e1 bc 97 UTF-16BE: 1f17 Decimal: ἗ \ ἗ (἗) \ Uppercase: U+1F17 \ Category: Cn (Other, Not Assigne 03:48:44 Oh, maybe you have some private-use characters? 03:48:48 \oren\: you should add a sample text to show it 03:48:50 <\oren\> ἖἗ these two I drew based on the pattern set by the others in its block 03:50:06 <\oren\> some characters are private use, others I simply stole from innocent blocks for my own use 03:51:38 <\oren\> e.g. ➀➁➂➃➄➅➆➇➈➉ which I drew instead as lowercase numbers 03:53:35 add a sample $language text near the $language characters 03:53:45 OTF has ways to encode alternate character sets for things like text numerals 03:54:11 <\oren\> bah... 03:54:39 <\oren\> I try to stay far away from things like that 03:55:13 <\oren\> hard enough to draw all these characters without mucking with various technicalia 03:56:06 Fair 03:57:16 <\oren\> what's a good sample text 04:00:10 we the people etc 04:00:57 -!- zzo38 has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 04:01:34 Markus Kuhn has one 04:02:29 http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mgk25/unicode.html#examples 04:03:26 -!- mauris_ has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 04:07:19 I just imagined a pan-Unicode bitmap font which is initially randomly constructed then optimized so that each glyph has a distinct shape (even by one pixel) while minimizing the differences to the source font 04:16:47 <\oren\> http://www.orenwatson.be/fontdemo.htm << updated with some sample texts 04:17:27 what does the runes one say? 04:18:38 <\oren\> it's the first stanza of this http://www.ragweedforge.com/rpaa.html 04:19:08 <\oren\> i think 04:35:47 <\oren\> anyway, the autogeneration rpgram is here http://www.orenwatson.be/ttfinvread.htm 04:36:35 please use a syntax highlighter that understands 0x80 04:38:31 <\oren\> fixed 04:39:08 much better 04:41:02 you check newlinemode in a loop but you never change its value inside of it 04:41:21 <\oren\> right 04:41:53 <\oren\> newlinemode is used to determine when a newline should be used, to format the characters into rows 04:42:27 <\oren\> mode 0 is used for areas of scattered characters like the chinese 04:42:44 <\oren\> mode 1 is used for blocks of characters that are all defines 04:48:30 \oren\: what is a purpose of U+038D and U+03A2? 04:48:38 (looking at http://www.orenwatson.be/allchars.htm ) 04:56:39 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 05:12:36 fizzie: Gregor: did esolangs.org's certificate just expire 05:14:27 -!- J_Arcane has joined. 05:15:57 looks like it 05:19:11 -!- Vinegar has joined. 05:23:19 Gregor: fizzie: I hear Let's Encrypt exists. 05:25:18 it's in beta 05:25:40 meaning you need an invite 05:27:09 <\oren\> lifthrasiir: it's a maker's mark 05:53:31 \oren\: I know, I wondered what U+038D reads (it actually said VER 8 in the vertical reading) at first. now the question is: why is it there? :) 05:53:43 (i.e. not U+F8FF or similar) 06:00:50 <\oren\> because originally I was usign fontstruct.com to make my font, and it doesn't support the privat euse area 06:03:25 -!- doesthiswork has quit (Quit: Leaving.). 06:11:26 -!- J_Arcane has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 06:15:10 heh, interesting. 06:15:26 \oren\: are you interested in supporting all Hanguls? 06:16:49 <\oren\> eventually 06:17:09 *sigh* my computer rebooted again. 06:17:10 <\oren\> not until i finish all joyo kanji 06:17:46 then i did a stupid choice that i too late realized would wipe out much _more_ than i intended - and somehow it failed to go through. 06:18:09 now let's see if i can find the recovery option i actually wanted. 06:19:42 fuck, the recovery points have been wiped out. 06:22:47 -!- codergeek42 has quit (Quit: Ex-Chat). 06:24:03 <\oren\> shut it down and boot a rescue disk, backup your shit 06:24:11 <\oren\> then nuke it 06:24:54 an interesting proposition, if i had a rescue disk. 06:25:04 or a disk at all. 06:25:58 <\oren\> usb stick? 06:26:19 i have one, somewhere. no idea where it is after the move. 06:26:50 <\oren\> alternatively, can you transplant the drive into a working computer? 06:27:06 i have only one computing device 06:28:14 -!- izabera has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 06:28:30 -!- nortti has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 06:28:37 -!- nortti has joined. 06:29:10 -!- APic has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 06:29:25 -!- APic has joined. 06:30:32 -!- izabera has joined. 06:30:32 -!- izabera has quit (Changing host). 06:30:32 -!- izabera has joined. 06:30:37 <\oren\> hmmm... hard to do without a second computer, but you could maybe burn a disk at an internet cafe? 06:31:19 <^v> i am creating my most esoteric language yet 06:31:20 please stop making suggestions. 06:31:28 <^v> consisting of only ^ and v 06:31:37 <^v> i finnaly decided how its going to work 06:33:02 -!- ent0nces has joined. 06:37:58 <^v> :< This server could not prove that it is esolangs.org; its security certificate expired 1 day(s) ago. 06:38:59 [wiki] [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * PixelToast * New user account 06:43:53 <^v> das me 07:02:43 -!- ent0nces has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 07:05:46 -!- ent0nces has joined. 07:08:44 -!- ent0nces has quit (Client Quit). 07:09:53 -!- ent0nces has joined. 07:09:59 -!- staffehn_ has joined. 07:12:33 -!- glowcoil__ has joined. 07:14:54 -!- myndzl has joined. 07:15:43 -!- staffehn has quit (Write error: Connection reset by peer). 07:15:46 -!- myndzi has quit (Excess Flood). 07:15:47 -!- bb010g has quit (Ping timeout: 448 seconds). 07:15:47 -!- skarn has quit (Ping timeout: 448 seconds). 07:15:47 -!- glowcoil has quit (Ping timeout: 448 seconds). 07:17:50 -!- glowcoil__ has changed nick to glowcoil. 07:18:29 -!- skarn has joined. 07:23:51 -!- bb010g has joined. 07:24:29 -!- Sprocklem has joined. 07:26:49 -!- ent0nces has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 07:27:33 -!- ent0nces has joined. 07:31:23 -!- ent0nces has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 07:32:22 -!- ent0nces has joined. 07:37:05 -!- Patashu has joined. 07:39:26 -!- constant has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 07:43:22 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 07:45:36 -!- Welo has joined. 08:09:00 -!- ent0nces has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 08:10:07 -!- ent0nces has joined. 08:13:54 -!- ent0nces has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 08:14:41 -!- ent0nces has joined. 08:18:46 `? people who taneb is not 08:18:48 elliott, a rabbi, Mark Zuckerberg, James Bond 08:19:21 poor hoffmann 08:21:46 -!- Patashu has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 08:22:27 -!- Patashu has joined. 08:25:03 Taneb: is that a complete list? 08:28:16 but of course. 08:31:12 -!- J_A_Work has joined. 08:38:34 -!- ent0nces has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 08:39:18 -!- ent0nces has joined. 08:42:09 -!- nitrix has changed nick to etc. 08:42:40 -!- etc has changed nick to nitrix. 08:42:47 hmph it is downloading that broken upgrade again... 08:51:11 -!- ent0nces has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 08:52:00 -!- ent0nces has joined. 08:55:17 \oren\: oh nice, you've improved the sample page 08:55:25 -!- FreeFull has quit (Quit: BBL). 08:59:12 -!- ent0nces has quit. 09:00:35 \oren\: in the autogenerated list of all characters, can you list the total count of glyphs you have in the font, computed automatically? 09:02:37 \oren\: also, in the sample texts, can you add some Serbian or Macedonian etc text that shows off the ј and ѓ characters? 09:03:17 \oren\: incidentally, does the cyrillic Ј and the latin J look the same in your font? 09:04:35 \oren\: also, do the cyrillic Ѕ and І look the same as the latin S and I resp? 09:10:21 make that s/the ј and ѓ characters/the ј, ѓ, љ, њ characters/ 09:11:19 oerjan: Oh, I saw an expiration warning from StartSSL but didn't think of esolangs.org. Annoying. 09:12:32 I'd really prefer let senc rypt, but their public beta doesn't start until Dec 3rd. 09:13:01 -!- J_A_Work has quit (Quit: J_A_Work). 09:14:30 -!- J_A_Work has joined. 09:15:39 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 09:17:19 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: ba dti ming). 09:26:35 -!- Patashu has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 09:28:26 -!- Patashu has joined. 09:29:20 -!- J_A_Work has quit (Quit: J_A_Work). 09:30:44 -!- ^v has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 09:35:24 -!- lleu has joined. 09:35:24 -!- lleu has quit (Changing host). 09:35:24 -!- lleu has joined. 09:52:42 -!- Patashu has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 09:53:34 -!- Patashu has joined. 10:02:54 -!- Patashu has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 10:03:38 -!- Patashu has joined. 10:32:01 -!- mroman has joined. 10:32:06 flute 10:32:37 oboe 10:39:51 Heckelphone. 10:59:55 this is buggy 11:00:01 `? sousaphone 11:00:03 sousaphone? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 11:00:09 `? tuning 11:00:10 tuning? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 11:00:14 fungot: oboe 11:00:14 b_jonas: and if it still is. 11:25:45 -!- mauris has joined. 11:27:09 -!- boily has joined. 12:03:27 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 12:09:30 -!- Patashu has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 12:12:50 fungot: What's your favourite woodwind instrument? 12:12:50 fizzie: you probably know, but that wasn't my point, of course. that's what lexical scope is highly useful for debugging which you can only move in fnord in slib. 12:13:13 fungot: No, I don't know, that's why was asking. 12:13:13 fizzie: too far? what's that 12:14:03 Concerto in Fnord minor for a Lexical Scope. 12:28:33 -!- boily has quit (Quit: FLUSH CHICKEN). 12:55:02 sedgewick writes in comic sans http://www.sorting-algorithms.com/static/QuicksortIsOptimal.pdf 12:55:07 -!- Welo has quit (Quit: Leaving). 12:55:30 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 12:56:56 -!- Nithogg has joined. 13:02:47 -!- tromp has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 13:09:08 -!- mauris has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 13:14:55 It's a legible font. 13:15:34 \oren\'s would be too, if not for that s. 13:28:38 -!- andrew has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 13:31:25 -!- FreeFull has joined. 13:52:46 -!- Lord_of_Life has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 13:53:06 -!- bb010g has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 13:53:07 -!- edwardk has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 13:54:26 -!- Xe has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 13:56:41 -!- edwardk has joined. 13:57:00 -!- Lord_of_Life has joined. 13:59:21 -!- Xe has joined. 13:59:45 -!- bb010g has joined. 14:07:46 http://imgur.com/gallery/6cXwaMG prettyyyyy *_* 14:11:16 -!- tromp has joined. 14:11:29 idris-bot: oh wow 14:20:14 <\oren\> izabera: looks like a rare steak 14:20:48 idris-bot? I mean izabera 14:20:59 I am not very good at tab-completing on this client 14:27:36 -!- mauris has joined. 14:55:19 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 14:59:33 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 15:07:16 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 15:27:21 http://imgur.com/gallery/RG7Kd is cute... and a puzzle: 1) in which direction did the camera scan the image? 2) how many rotor blades are there? 3) how many rotations did the propellor make while the picture was scanned? 15:57:21 -!- Welo has joined. 16:23:25 RING THE OBELL! 16:23:51 shachaf, oerjan: ring the obell 16:24:47 `olist overflow 16:24:48 olist overflow: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly boily nortti b_jonas 16:25:07 "overflow"? 16:25:12 hmm, N+1 might have been closer to my intention 16:25:24 I don't read oots, I have no clue what the current number is. 16:25:55 [wiki] [[BrainfuckX]] N http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=45421 * Gemdude46 * (+1569) Created page with "BrainfuckX is an extension of brainfuck that is backwards compatible with all uncommented brainfuck programs. Cells are unsigned bytes. Cell pointer starts in the leftmost ce..." 16:26:24 and now the bell is rung. 16:27:47 Deserving of an obell prize 17:05:22 fungot doesn't know what too far means 17:05:22 mroman: i find that bugs are easy to do, 17:05:40 Introducing bugs is easy, introducing security vulnerabilites is hard work. 17:10:11 -!- bb010g has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity). 17:10:26 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 17:38:41 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 17:54:22 I don't read oots, I have no clue what the current number is. ← 1000 I believe 18:02:03 -!- Welo has quit (Quit: Leaving). 18:12:54 * Taneb seems to be trying out for University Challenge again 18:18:45 -!- mroman has quit (Quit: Lost terminal). 18:23:53 -!- ent0nces has joined. 18:28:50 -!- J_Arcane has joined. 18:28:53 It's above 1000, but thereabout 18:29:13 1012 apparently 18:31:35 correct. that means it will probably be just short of the round number by the end of the year 18:32:43 -!- {0xc6} has joined. 18:33:39 -!- {0xc6} has left. 18:34:06 Indeed 18:39:56 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 18:43:18 -!- Welo has joined. 18:53:28 -!- ent0nces has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 18:54:38 -!- ent0nces has joined. 18:56:14 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 18:56:43 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 19:03:14 -!- lleu has quit (Quit: That's what she said). 19:03:31 -!- GoToTell has joined. 19:03:32 -!- lleu has joined. 19:03:34 -!- lleu has quit (Changing host). 19:03:34 -!- lleu has joined. 19:04:35 int-e, I gave your puzzle some thought. 1) If I'm correct in assuming/guessing the propeller is rotating clockwise, then: from right to left. 2) 3 (every vertical line never crosses more than two different propeller slices) 3) around 2 and one thirds. (7 distinctive propeller... Shrugs, spacetime sections divided by 3, and some "feeling about the angles.") 19:04:40 [wiki] [[User:Hppavilion1/Spatial logic]] N http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=45422 * Hppavilion1 * (+430) Created first paragraph 19:08:13 GoToTell: sounds about right (though my guess is more like 5/3 turns) 19:16:10 int-e, how do you figure? 19:28:39 [wiki] [[WARP]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45423&oldid=43695 * 210.86.93.89 * (+11) Point to github repo for source 19:28:46 I think I did OK in the University Challenge try-out 19:29:32 -!- ent0nces has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 19:30:18 For the show itself, or the chance to reprisent your uni? 19:30:24 -!- ent0nces has joined. 19:32:03 GoToTell: well, I picture it as this, the 7th blade is the same as the 1st blade, so when the 7th blade makes it to where the 1st blade started, then we'll have two full turns... but there's still some way to go before that happens. 19:32:13 GoToTell: the latter 19:32:18 University of York 19:34:50 -!- heroux has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 19:35:51 The way I see it is that's nor really a 7tth blade, only A B C passing where the line scanned through. Any group of three of those sections have to be A B and C in sequence... wait I think I'm coming round 19:35:55 I 19:36:22 I'm counting when I sound maybe be measuring area.Okay. 19:37:18 Taneb, that's awesome. Used to watch University Challenge all the time. 19:37:33 Tried out last year, didn't do very well 19:37:44 I think I've done a little bit better this year, but I don't know yet 19:38:39 -!- Vinegar has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 19:38:43 Unlucky questions? 19:39:09 I mean, your group's members each have their specialty, right? 19:39:22 Well, this is still at the individual try-out stage 19:39:33 "your black cat just broke your mirror. what do you do?" 19:39:49 Buy a knew mirror 19:39:53 *new 19:40:03 that's option a 19:40:06 Wonder when I got a cat 19:40:08 option b is bleach the cat 19:40:24 -!- heroux has joined. 19:40:49 C? 19:40:51 eh... 19:40:59 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 19:41:32 c is just a boring "none of the previous answers" 19:41:44 (please specify) 19:41:52 I think option b is illegal under animal cruelty laws 19:41:58 [wiki] [[Temporal logic]] N http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=45424 * Hppavilion1 * (+1246) Created page with main paragraph, section on paths, and defining operators based on Wiki's list 19:42:42 yeah but your cat just granted you e^pi years of bad luck so it's kinda justified 19:42:50 Cruelty to the unlucky black cat. Not the new white cat you have. So no victim, no crime. 19:43:13 In some places black cats are good luck! 19:43:29 in oppositeland 19:43:35 China probably. 19:43:41 Curious where 19:43:55 Most of the UK, I believe 19:44:09 http://static.nichtlustig.de/toondb/010929.html "sorry, but did you see my cat? it is a black cat. pitch black. black." - "with that attitude you'll never find it" 19:44:30 Taneb: huh, curious 19:45:02 I always found de:ganz funny, because sv:ganska means "somewhat" 19:45:05 And Japan, apparently 19:45:12 (not sure how to add the "verkrampft") 19:45:35 "narrow minded"? 19:45:36 int-e: seems like one of the less funny comics from him 19:46:00 myname: interesting, it's one of my favorites actually 19:46:27 now fight 19:46:33 but in any case I was just reacting to the idea of bleaching the cat 19:47:17 and "narrow-minded" fits 19:47:39 i should add it to my new webcomiclist nontheless 19:47:48 but i like ruthe more, actually 19:48:39 entschuldigung == sorry? wtf 19:48:53 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 19:49:26 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 19:49:31 common words are short, so germans probably don't say sorry very often 19:49:32 Hm... 19:49:38 "Knowledge Logic" 19:49:54 Common sense? 19:50:08 A logic that is interpreted as being executed by a set of entities, each of which has knowledge about the state of variables 19:50:12 izabera: i do think a long word actually suits it very good 19:50:14 Including false knowledge 19:50:30 like, if you say it, you probably mean it more than if you just say sorry 19:50:43 izabera: it's funny you say that... I say "sorry" a lot more often than "entschuldigung" :P 19:51:42 I do too (although with "ursäkta" instead, which is our word for the same thing)... it's interesting, sometimes I've had people reply to me in english due to it 19:51:46 also, entschuldigung makes sense since it comes from schuld. something that's your fault, that you want to neutralize 19:51:47 A programming language which's type system is based on Knowledge Logic would be strongly-typed, but you could lie to the type checker xD 19:51:53 And hope it doesn't find out 19:52:32 hppavilion[1]: sounds great 19:52:38 myname: Yep. 19:52:42 Sounds like people 19:52:45 I think I'll go invent Knowledge Logic now 19:52:55 GoToTell: It is, to some degree. It's useful for human interactions 19:53:34 Would the entities infer stuff for themselves? 19:53:44 GoToTell: They could. Maybe. 19:54:09 If so, then their logic would have to be different from Knoledge logic. 19:54:24 knowledge logic is already a tjing 19:54:29 Oh. 19:54:59 myname: Do you mean the name or the idea? 19:55:54 myname? 19:56:13 is hppavilion. 19:56:43 GoToTell: ? 19:56:55 That's myname. 19:57:06 I am? 19:57:10 the idea, i am not sure what itks named 19:57:15 Ah 19:57:23 we used it on an AI course last semester 19:57:29 Sorry, I was making a low effort joke. :P 19:58:16 Is it https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epistemic_logic? 19:58:53 What other weird stuff we could we do with formal logic? 19:59:16 modal logic is fun 19:59:17 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epistemic_modal_logic 19:59:21 Yeah 19:59:30 modal logic rules 20:00:07 the nice thing about making a language based on it is the fact that you can easily checl its correctness 20:00:30 Well, there's Time logic. And there's fuzzy logic. But there's no fuzzy time logic, ie drunk logic... yet. 20:00:49 GoToTell: Temporal Loigc? 20:01:02 I know about that xD. That's my favorite logic 20:01:10 "sorry" is very common in dutch, somehow 20:01:13 That's the word. 20:01:17 Though Temporal Knowledge Logic could be cool, or "Learning Logic" 20:01:21 The dutch are naturally apologetic 20:02:10 Only explanation 20:06:55 Hm... 20:07:16 Could we make combinatory versions of normal logics? 20:07:22 Combinatory Temporal Logic? 20:08:29 -!- mihow has joined. 20:09:17 -!- Patashu has joined. 20:12:54 -!- bb010g has joined. 20:19:36 "Apologetic Logic" 20:19:41 S[b]x 20:19:56 (Read: Sorry, but x :,( |) 20:20:17 (I HAVE SOLVED ENDING A PARENTHETICAL STATEMENT WITH AN EMOTICON KIND OF! WHOO! :) |) 20:21:31 what if you aren't sorry? 20:21:51 [wiki] [[User:Hppavilion1/Spatial logic]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45425&oldid=45422 * Hppavilion1 * (+480) Some stuff 20:22:04 myname: Then you don't use the "Sorry but" operator 20:22:18 It's an additional operator, not an additional one 20:22:28 but what does it do 20:22:38 -!- Vinegar has joined. 20:24:06 Apology used to mean "in defense of" so maybe an apologetic function could maybe not only return results, but also highlights of it did toi get that result. 20:26:43 1 aNAND 0 would return [1, "there was a 0", sorry"] 20:33:10 [wiki] [[User:Hppavilion1/Combinatory temporal logic]] N http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=45426 * Hppavilion1 * (+590) Created Page, now to figure out the Φ combinator 20:33:58 myname: It allows you to establish an arbitrary new axiom to fix it? Or something? 20:34:33 The trick is that you can't do ":/x; ~x" 20:34:42 Because that would be a contradiction, and that is bad. 20:37:06 there was actually the idea of a friend of mine to make something like a game where everybody mixes in axioms until they contradict 20:37:33 you can either add an axiom or call the previous player a liar 20:37:51 if the previous player can disprove you, you are out. otherwise it's him 20:39:57 flawed 20:41:25 what happens when a player is unable to find a proof that the previous player is lying? 20:42:02 well, that's his problem 20:42:09 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 20:43:40 so you have to find the oldest lie? 20:45:37 A lies, B can't disprove A, B doesn't lie, C finds a flaw that's caused by what A said, B is out, remove what B said and replace it with what C says 20:45:58 the system is still contradictory so D can disprove C 20:46:04 and so on 20:46:05 A wins 20:46:23 -!- Patashu has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 20:46:31 A invents non euclidian geometry, B tries for 2000 years to disprove it. 20:48:59 izabera: well, yeah. 20:50:23 [wiki] [[User:Hppavilion1/Combinatory temporal logic]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45427&oldid=45426 * Hppavilion1 * (+1306) Combinators (α and β) 20:51:08 if C can prove that A was lying, can e remove both B and A? i.e. everything since the oldest lie 20:51:20 [wiki] [[User:Hppavilion1/Combinatory temporal logic]] M http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45428&oldid=45427 * Hppavilion1 * (+1) /* Combinators */ Fixed convention 20:51:25 -!- GoToTell has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 20:55:21 [wiki] [[User:Hppavilion1/Combinatory temporal logic]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45429&oldid=45428 * Hppavilion1 * (+384) Examples 20:56:22 [wiki] [[User:Hppavilion1/Combinatory temporal logic]] M http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45430&oldid=45429 * Hppavilion1 * (+1) /* Combinators */ Fixed convention. Again. The same convention. In the same place. It didn't take. 20:57:56 -!- Welo has quit (Quit: Leaving). 20:59:53 that may be discussed. but i think B should.be removed because he couldn't disprove A 21:00:02 it was a missplay 21:00:08 -!- `^_^v has joined. 21:00:13 mis 21:00:42 is there a timeout? 21:03:56 i won't set any 21:04:11 itks already hard enough 21:04:44 My grammar for CTL (Combinatory Temporal Logic) has a quirk: You can apply a combinator to an assignment (e.g. `K(I=SKK)`). What should this do? 21:05:11 Wait, I know what it has to do 21:06:57 [wiki] [[User:Hppavilion1/Combinatory temporal logic]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45431&oldid=45430 * Hppavilion1 * (+1496) Grammar and semantics 21:07:32 the interesting part is that they must be axioms 21:08:06 so i guess player C can remove player B from the game if C can prove that what B said follows from what A said 21:10:10 [wiki] [[Combinatory logic]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45432&oldid=45418 * Hppavilion1 * (+627) Grammar, in case anyone is wondering. 21:10:11 so not only lies, but also theorems get you expelled 21:10:42 [wiki] [[Combinatory logic]] M http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45433&oldid=45432 * Hppavilion1 * (+2) Fixed the location of the grammar 21:12:31 [wiki] [[User:Hppavilion1/Combinatory temporal logic]] M http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45434&oldid=45431 * Hppavilion1 * (+0) /* Combinators */ Fixed the λ-calculular S definition 21:13:35 -!- Vinegar has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 21:16:03 @tell zzo38 Found an article on how type systems are logics: https://codewords.recurse.com/issues/one/type-systems-and-logic 21:16:03 Consider it noted. 21:20:43 [wiki] [[Combinatory logic]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45435&oldid=45433 * Hppavilion1 * (+50) Added a link to Combinatory temporal logic 21:25:32 -!- ^v has joined. 21:33:07 -!- ent0nces has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 21:34:13 -!- ent0nces has joined. 21:48:47 seriosly, why is 0 called either zero, oh or naught 21:48:57 it alsways bites me 21:51:35 -!- `^_^v has quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep). 21:51:54 I'm through to the next stage of the trials for my uni's University Challenge team! 22:06:05 [wiki] [[Combinatory logic/Analysis of combinators]] N http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=45436 * Hppavilion1 * (+3271) Started on the page 22:14:15 Next round is on Saturday 22:18:16 -!- oerjan has joined. 22:19:02 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 22:20:59 -!- ent0nces has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 22:21:24 oerjan: Them certificates should be renovated now. 22:21:45 -!- ent0nces has joined. 22:23:19 -!- ent0nces has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 22:24:31 -!- Vinegar has joined. 22:25:09 -!- aloril has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 22:27:25 yay! 22:27:47 -!- heroux has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 22:29:00 dammit computer's doing something wrong again 22:30:11 maybe my disk is completely shot. at least i managed to backup yesterday. 22:31:50 ooh something reacted. 22:33:03 and windows asked me if i wanted to kill this process, which was seemingly the desktop. 22:33:23 systemd is not responding. kill it? 22:33:38 well i expect it would normally restart? 22:33:53 anyway, i guess i have to do a hard shutdown. wish me luck. 22:34:02 Good luck! 22:35:06 -!- aloril has joined. 22:39:44 well it rebooted. 22:40:04 i am trying to let it download that big update again, and try once more. 22:40:32 i have this last desperate hope that if it would only go through, things would get fixed. 22:40:58 it's downloading very slowly though. 22:41:23 and it's possible that some of the other surprise reboots happened when it finally downloaded. 22:41:37 and then fails, and tries again. 22:42:06 but clearly that's not the only thing wrong. my hope is that it's only a result of the update breaking the first time. 22:42:50 hm if chkdsk at startup finds any errors, would it report it while running? 22:43:04 because it definitely didn't. in which case my disk might be fine. 22:43:58 the message that it tried to get me to read before i shutdown hard disappeared after i did. 22:44:16 (i couldn't get it to react to my button press on it, or almost anything else.) 22:44:39 download went up from 76& to 77% 22:46:11 -!- boily has joined. 22:46:17 ahoily 22:47:39 ok hm 22:48:10 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 22:48:16 bonsœrjan. 22:48:17 ok hm? 22:48:23 hppavellon[1]! 22:48:34 why did the network icon change. 22:49:06 boily: my computer is behaving weirdly, i'm currently blaming it on a half-gone-through windows update. 22:49:41 something something network complot. effort 22:50:11 well the network isn't the thing giving trouble, i think. 22:50:51 * boily does the Chicken Invocation Dance to get rid of oerjan's machine's demons 22:51:07 -!- Tod-Autojoined has joined. 22:51:57 -!- J_Arcane_ has joined. 22:53:20 -!- heroux has joined. 22:53:45 -!- J_Arcane has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 22:53:45 -!- lifthrasiir has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 22:53:46 -!- shikhin has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 22:53:46 -!- nisstyre has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 22:53:52 -!- J_Arcane_ has changed nick to J_Arcane. 22:54:17 auto restart because of detected problem 22:54:17 -!- diginet has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 22:54:17 -!- newsham has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 22:54:37 sounds about right, it was burning CPU. 22:54:43 -!- Xe has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 22:54:44 -!- APic has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 22:54:44 -!- deltab has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 22:54:44 -!- Warrigal has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 22:54:45 -!- TodPunk has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 22:54:46 -!- rntz has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 22:54:47 -!- Warrigal_ has joined. 22:54:47 -!- shikhin has joined. 22:54:54 -!- shikhin has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 22:55:15 if it can actually _manage_ to reboot now... 22:55:19 i mean, shutdown. 22:55:42 -!- shikhin has joined. 22:56:08 -!- rntz has joined. 22:56:08 -!- deltab has joined. 22:56:28 fan is running hard again 22:57:19 * boily dances more 22:58:43 -!- Xe has joined. 22:58:53 -!- Sgeo_ has joined. 22:59:19 oerjan: I think your possibilities dwindled to only the Nuclear Manœuvre: strangulation by power button. 22:59:34 -!- diginet has joined. 23:00:16 -!- bb010g has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity). 23:01:46 -!- ineiros has joined. 23:02:18 -!- yorick_ has joined. 23:03:58 -!- puck1pedia has joined. 23:04:36 -!- |f`-`|f has joined. 23:04:40 -!- |f`-`|f has quit (Client Quit). 23:06:49 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (*.net *.split). 23:06:51 -!- Sgeo has quit (*.net *.split). 23:06:53 -!- yorick has quit (*.net *.split). 23:06:53 -!- puckipedia has quit (*.net *.split). 23:06:53 -!- ineiros_ has quit (*.net *.split). 23:06:54 -!- rodgort has quit (*.net *.split). 23:06:55 -!- puck1pedia has changed nick to puckipedia. 23:07:19 -!- APic has joined. 23:07:29 i think i'm going to have turn it off permanently. bye soon... 23:08:42 -!- rodgort has joined. 23:08:56 -!- nisstyre has joined. 23:09:46 -!- lifthrasiir has joined. 23:11:16 boily: oh and yes, i did. 23:11:30 then it ran chkdsk, and _chkdsk_ locked up without finishing. 23:11:41 then it rebooted and here i am, for the moment. 23:12:15 -!- sebbu has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 23:13:19 -!- sebbu has joined. 23:13:21 i guess it must be a disk error, then. :( 23:18:25 possible chkdsk did help for a while 23:20:19 backup and swap HDD... 23:20:30 first i need to get one 23:21:45 i backuped the important stuff to my nvg account yesterday. 23:22:19 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nomic#Computerized_version do you guys know this? 23:22:49 * oerjan played schemenomic once. 23:25:21 funny, my previous computer worked (reasonably) well for 7 years, this one breaks after 2 1/2... 23:26:31 i'm wondering if the download is supposed to be this slow, or it's just the disk causing it... 23:27:04 mind you, it _is_ a windows version upgrade. 23:33:04 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 23:37:17 [wiki] [[User:Hppavilion1/UniFunge]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45437&oldid=45370 * Hppavilion1 * (+150) /* Syntax */ Completely changed the syntax from normal fungoid to CSV 23:43:09 90% download 23:43:50 * Sgeo_ will look at Nomyx if it's still active 23:43:55 Sounds vaguely familiar 23:45:58 [wiki] [[User:Hppavilion1/UniFunge]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45438&oldid=45437 * Hppavilion1 * (+420) Fixed formatting error, adjusted data model 23:48:27 [wiki] [[Treeng]] N http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=45439 * Hppavilion1 * (+376) Created Page 23:48:56 [wiki] [[User:Hppavilion1/UniFunge]] M http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45440&oldid=45438 * Hppavilion1 * (+0) /* Data Model */ Fixed meanings 23:51:23 [wiki] [[User:Hppavilion1/UniFunge]] M http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45441&oldid=45440 * Hppavilion1 * (+102) /* Commands */ Added Δs 23:52:38 -!- mauris has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 23:55:31 -!- newsham has joined. 23:58:49 helloily 23:59:08 <\oren\> oerjan: the most reliable compters I find are business laptops