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00:01:03 <boily> b_jhellonas. unuglifying the wiki?
00:01:09 <boily> @massages-loud
00:01:09 <lambdabot> oerjan said 21h 24m 17s ago: no, my computer _is_ still working enough to copy more
00:01:10 <lambdabot> int-e said 9h 18m 15s ago: would the translated chicken be moved to the other side of the road?
00:01:30 <b_jonas> boily: unuglifying AND adding new content
00:01:43 <boily> int-ello. only if the road is affine.
00:01:54 <boily> b_jonas: Ō_Ō!
00:04:17 <b_jonas> boily: Amycus is a new language (as in, it was published a few days ago), and has some very interesting properties that I'm still trying to figure out
00:04:30 <b_jonas> I've already figured out a lot, but not everything of course
00:04:46 <b_jonas> (you probably can't figure out everything, because it's an expressive enough programming language)
00:05:42 <boily> and figuring everything probably is isomorphic to the halting problem.
00:08:23 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Amycus]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45527&oldid=45526 * B jonas * (+17949)
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00:11:22 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Amycus]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45528&oldid=45527 * B jonas * (-18043)
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00:29:24 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Amycus]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45529&oldid=45528 * B jonas * (+746)
00:32:18 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Amycus]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45530&oldid=45529 * B jonas * (+0)
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00:44:31 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Amycus]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45531&oldid=45530 * B jonas * (+107)
00:49:36 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Brackit]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45532&oldid=45525 * Blakusl * (+508) /* Interpreters */
00:49:59 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Brackit]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45533&oldid=45532 * Blakusl * (+6) /* Interpreters */
00:53:15 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[BotEngine]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45534&oldid=45304 * 69.138.247.193 * (+16) Added second infinite loop option
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01:33:20 <quintopia> boily!
01:33:25 <boily> quintopia!
01:33:47 <quintopia> i hope you dont mind my golfing all the aubergine examples
01:34:02 <quintopia> im thinking about aubergine derivatives
01:34:16 * boily feels all warm and fuzzy ^^
01:34:23 <boily> gâte-toé!
01:34:23 <quintopia> did you realize the : is not necessary for TCness?
01:34:30 <boily> eh?
01:34:55 <quintopia> with =i you can do computed gotos
01:36:11 <boily> heh.
01:37:30 <tswett> I feel like I need to create another esoteric language.
01:37:58 <quintopia> questions:
01:38:12 <quintopia> why is o only available in =
01:39:40 <boily> because lazyness, p < 0.05.
01:39:48 <quintopia> w
01:40:18 <quintopia> i had to add extra code to prevent o being used elsewhere.
01:40:28 <quintopia> in python interp
01:40:38 <quintopia> why not I and O?
01:41:21 <boily> because extreme laziness :D
01:41:30 <boily> (did you just laugh with w?)
01:41:47 <tswett> Hmmmmm. Hmmmmmmmmm.
01:42:01 <boily> tswellott. hmm?
01:42:15 <tswett> Trying to think of esolang ideas.
01:42:26 <tswett> Man, /// has got to be one of the best esolangs of all time.
01:43:17 <boily> @tell oerjan HAH!
01:43:17 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
01:44:07 <boily> @tell oerjan (uhm. disregard the previous HAH. I'm still having trouble with your family name not being Johansen.)
01:44:07 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
01:45:09 <tswett> Neural nets are all the rage, right? Could I make an esolang based on backpropagation?
01:46:12 <quintopia> boily: i'm going to make like five aubergine derivatives :p
01:48:15 <tswett> Here we go. Thue where instead of a string, you have a portion of a virtual knot. The generalized Reidemeister moves are implicit.
01:48:18 <tswett> There, there's the language.
01:48:26 <tswett> Someone write the spec please thanks.
01:49:29 <boily> potential names: Anatabine, cuscohygrine, solauricidine, solauricine, tomato, potato, datura, hyoscyameæ...
01:50:05 <tswett> `cat bin/coins
01:50:06 <HackEgo> words ${1---eng-1M --esolangs 20} | sed -re 's/( |$)/coin\1/g' | rainwords
01:51:25 <tswett> `file bin/langs
01:51:26 <HackEgo> bin/langs: ERROR: cannot open `bin/langs' (No such file or directory)
01:51:28 <tswett> `run echo 'words ${1---eng-1M --esolangs 20} | sed -re '\''s/( |$)/lang\1/g'\' > bin/langs
01:51:30 <HackEgo> No output.
01:51:31 <tswett> `langs
01:51:32 <HackEgo> ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: /hackenv/bin/langs: Permission denied \ /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: /hackenv/bin/langs: cannot execute: Permission denied
01:51:39 <tswett> `run chmod +x bin/langs
01:51:41 <HackEgo> No output.
01:51:41 <tswett> `langs
01:51:44 <HackEgo> ddrenlang justoelang stalang suzylang wikingarchalang nandmuralang fureheanalang drailang baktariolang unineanitestelysinglefootorycogsdaulang spagheadlang kipjlang skolang maddulang tyalang toilang verblang malitylang syncorrlang agrava2klang
01:52:02 <tswett> Unineanitestelysinglefootorycogsdaulang.
01:52:22 <tswett> Or maybe I should call it "oh nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooodland".
01:52:58 <Phantom_Hoover> is that like CHEF but it has an extra instruction for leaving the cake out in the rain?
01:53:59 <boily> speaking of long ooooooooo names: who has nooodl morphed into again?
01:54:24 <tswett> `? nooooodl
01:54:25 <HackEgo> noooodl is the correct spelling
01:54:37 <shachaf> `? maur
01:54:37 <HackEgo> maur? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
01:54:41 <shachaf> `? mauris
01:54:43 <HackEgo> maur is the correct spelling
01:55:21 <boily> thachaf.
01:55:47 <shachaf> boily: you can reward me with a pooch pic hth
01:56:10 <tswett> `thanks noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooodland
01:56:11 <HackEgo> Thanks, noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooodland. Thoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooodland.
01:56:32 <quintopia> boily: maybe aubergine-0, aubergine unlimited or just "Purple"
01:56:53 <shachaf> There's a song about potatoes, tomatoes, gravy and peas.
01:56:59 <shachaf> @google potatoes tomatoes gravy and peas
01:57:00 <lambdabot> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6R5x1VP2b4
01:57:07 <boily> shachaf: did you watch the video I posted yesterday? it has wigged pooches. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Seh9_sFv1Z4
01:57:42 <boily> quintopia: Purple.
01:58:44 <shachaf> boily: un cabot perruque?
02:00:30 <boily> «un cabot à perruque».
02:00:54 <shachaf> un pooch à wig
02:01:29 <shachaf> It turns out that the pooch game is wigged against you.
02:02:33 * boily thwacks shachaf with a sailor moon wigged mapole
02:04:21 <shachaf> that is a juwy-wigged contwaption
02:04:40 <boily> in the name of the Moon Moon, please stop!
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02:10:16 <tswett> Un film à clef.
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02:10:49 <tswett> Limité à gauche.
02:10:57 * boily grabbes la clef à tswett to thwacke shachaf avec
02:11:07 <boily> limité à gauche?
02:11:33 <tswett> ATWP I got it wrong. It's "limite à gauche".
02:11:51 <boily> tdnrh...
02:12:01 <tswett> Limited to the left.
02:14:20 <boily> what is being limited to the left?
02:14:47 <tswett> E que voyer. Bonne fortune. Parlaz français mais bon que je, porquoi je simplement supone.
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02:16:07 <boily> tswett uses confusion. it's super effective.
02:17:25 <quintopia> what
02:17:31 <quintopia> you're never online when work is over
02:17:35 <quintopia> WHAT IS THIS MADNESS
02:19:23 <quintopia> i'm going to write the laziest version of aubergine: dedicated symbols for commands, all alphabet is registers and can be dereferenced. Due to lack of restrictions, implemementation could be cgolfed to a few short lines.
02:20:29 <quintopia> And then extend it: all digits represent themselves, all symbols that look like standard operations are commands that do those things
02:20:41 <boily> this sounds like betterave...
02:21:00 <quintopia> betterave is self-modifying?
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02:21:18 <boily> uuuh... nope.
02:22:32 <quintopia> this would definitely be auberginey
02:22:44 <quintopia> still very few commands, still only 2-arity
02:23:04 <quintopia> still entirely proceural
02:23:28 <quintopia> but just set up to make the interpreter as small as possible
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02:23:48 <quintopia> (and removing some annoying limitations)
02:23:59 <quintopia> also are you on my half of this netsplit?
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02:24:56 <boily> I am here.
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02:25:41 <boily> (I have seen things... things I just choose not to talk about... Things that seem to offend everybody... Welcome to my study ♪)
02:28:18 <boily> time to compose the application of my head on my pillow.
02:28:42 <boily> bonne nuitopia!
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02:57:10 <izabera> over 3k points on codeeval \o/
02:57:34 <izabera> all from bash \o/
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03:08:15 <hppavilion[1]> WalText2i is working :)
03:08:23 <hppavilion[1]> My next step is to increase the eso- factor
03:09:22 <hppavilion[1]> Is there something akin to complex numbers for angles I can use to represent the (start, end) points for arcs and something for the radii of arcs and ellarcs?
03:10:24 <hppavilion[1]> \oren\: Would you happen to know of anything?
03:11:28 <izabera> complex numbers
03:12:45 <hppavilion[1]> izabera: But those don't seem good for representing the start and end points for angles.
03:12:47 <hppavilion[1]> Or arcs
03:12:51 <hppavilion[1]> Arcs, not angles
03:13:12 <izabera> you can write them in polar form
03:13:49 <izabera> i don't know how to type greek letters
03:13:58 <izabera> |z| (cos(phi)+ i sin(phi)
03:14:00 <izabera> |z| (cos(phi)+ i sin(phi))
03:14:27 <izabera> i can't believe that i can type đ but not phi
03:14:34 <izabera> stupid keyboard
03:17:50 <hppavilion[1]> Hm...
03:41:35 <FreeFull> That gives me an idea
03:41:44 <FreeFull> I could map the extra key in the top left of my laptop to dead_greek
03:53:55 <FreeFull> izabera: φ Φ
03:53:58 <FreeFull> I can type it now!
03:54:46 <FreeFull> λαμβδα
03:54:54 <FreeFull> καππα
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03:57:43 <izabera> i mapped rwin to compose, guess right ctrl can become dead_greek
04:03:37 <izabera> https://github.com/dscharrer/void/tree/master/xkb oh you can add your own sequences
04:03:39 <izabera> cool
04:16:53 <\oren\> UGGH
04:17:22 <izabera> uggh?
04:17:22 <\oren\> I was trying to type something in greek then I somehow lost it
04:17:38 <izabera> type it again?
04:17:55 <izabera> get an editor that can undo your changes?
04:19:04 <\oren\> ηελλο
04:19:08 <\oren\> there
04:19:31 <\oren\> I can type greek letters by typing their names in japanese
04:19:41 <izabera> so handy
04:21:16 <\oren\> i-ta epushiron ramuda ramuda omikuron
04:22:33 <izabera> isn't it ramubuda ?
04:22:47 <\oren\> no, ramuda λ
04:23:46 <izabera> sorry i forgot about the lamda calculus
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04:26:06 <\oren\> arufa be-ta ganma deruta epushiron ze-ta e-ta te-ta iota kappa ramuda myu- nyu- kushi- omikuron pai ro- shiguma tau yupushiron fai ki- pushi- omega
04:28:23 <izabera> i'm confused
04:29:01 <\oren\> about what?
04:29:27 <izabera> kushi- pushi-
04:29:43 <\oren\> ξ ψ
04:29:51 <izabera> sounds so weird
04:29:52 <\oren\> xi and psi
04:31:21 <\oren\> Ψ
04:31:46 <\oren\> θΘ
04:32:04 <izabera> i also find confusing pai and fai but that's italian's fault
04:33:05 <\oren\> kushi- can also be gotten with kusai
04:34:17 <\oren\> however, kusai means "smelly" in japanese 臭い
04:36:34 <izabera> myu- and nyu- -> mi ni ?
04:37:13 <\oren\> μν -> in english, mu and nu
04:37:31 <izabera> isn't it mee nee ?
04:37:41 <izabera> in english
04:37:43 <\oren\> no, mu pronounced myu
04:37:52 <\oren\> and nu pronounces nyu
04:37:59 <izabera> i had no idea
04:40:21 <\oren\> hmm can i type a qoppa?
04:41:20 <\oren\> apparently not. makes sense, qoppa isn't in Shift-JIS
04:42:23 <\oren\> Я
04:42:25 <\oren\> ya-
04:42:31 <\oren\> w00t
04:42:50 <\oren\> I remembered that Shift-JIS has cyrillic
04:43:02 <\oren\> Д
04:45:48 <pikhq_> Why, exactly, does it have Cyrillic?
04:46:21 <pikhq_> Aside from "why not", which might be the case...
04:47:22 <\oren\> pikhq_: argh, I donn't know. both greek and cyrillic are treated as categories of kanji (they are double-byte characters)
04:47:55 <\oren\> japanese fixed width fonts like MS Gothic have them as wide
04:49:20 <pikhq_> Though not much tends to rely on that, thankfully.
04:50:12 <pikhq_> (Shift-JIS art relies on the metrics, but Shift-JIS art uses MS PGothic, not MS Gothic.)
04:51:36 <\oren\> hmm, i don't seem to be able to type е
04:53:31 <lifthrasiir> pikhq_: many DBCS tends to have many other characters besides from the original script. for example, KS X 1001 has kanas, greeks, cyrillics and extended latins.
04:53:39 <lifthrasiir> many DBCSes tend to*
04:54:06 <pikhq_> Seems silly, but eh.
04:54:19 <pikhq_> Not like they had better uses for the space.
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04:54:46 <\oren\> well eventually they started filling in the spare space with emoji
04:55:09 <lifthrasiir> when you have tons of space (94 by 94) you can give some room for other scripts
04:55:25 <pikhq_> Emoji weren't really in any DBCS used in more than one system though.
04:55:25 <lifthrasiir> also, many DBCSes have a concept of PUA
04:55:40 <lifthrasiir> yeah, Emojis were originally encoded as PUA
04:55:51 <pikhq_> (each cell network had their own mapping in the DBCS or Unicode PUAs)
04:55:53 <lifthrasiir> (and escape codes and HTMLs, they were actually implementation details)
04:57:43 <pikhq_> And then they go in Unicode because seriously, characters that don't go in Unicode is nonsense.
04:59:52 <Jafet> We needed universal standard platform-independent emoji.
05:00:08 <pikhq_> Yes, this was in fact a pressing need for the Japanese market.
05:37:27 * Sgeo_ would prefer to have emoji than things that interpret emoticons
05:37:34 <Sgeo_> Although, emoticons are easier to type.
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06:10:28 <\oren\> oДo <ガアアアアアアアアン
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07:41:50 <hppavilion[1]> I'm considering adding Roulettes and similar things (think Spirographs) to WalText2i
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09:15:47 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Amycus]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45535&oldid=45531 * B jonas * (+1247)
09:16:11 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Amycus]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45536&oldid=45535 * B jonas * (-6) /* TODO earlier notes */
09:45:39 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Bas * New user account
09:46:41 <oerjan> @messages-
09:46:41 <lambdabot> boily said 8h 3m 24s ago: HAH!
09:46:41 <lambdabot> boily said 8h 2m 34s ago: (uhm. disregard the previous HAH. I'm still having trouble with your family name not being Johansen.)
09:46:48 <oerjan> @ask boily WAT?
09:46:48 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
09:48:35 <oerjan> @tell boily i think you're still confused, at any rate.
09:48:35 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
09:49:05 <oerjan> @tell boily it _is_ johansen hth
09:49:05 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
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10:22:08 <b_jonas> I wonder how much David deliberately chose to define Amycus to be so interesting, and how much is an accident.
10:22:38 <b_jonas> fungot, how much of the esolang do you think was deliberate?
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10:30:43 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Binerdy]] N http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=45537 * Bas * (+2160) Created page with "'''Binerdy''' was created by [[user:Bas]] to reminiscence the old days, when computers only understood zeroes and ones ==Language overview== A Binerdy program only knows of ..."
10:36:46 <oerjan> new puzzle in the tatham collection...
10:39:40 <izabera> which one is the new one?
10:45:07 <oerjan> palisade
10:48:38 <oerjan> hm it's not immediately obvious how to deduce much from this...
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10:51:07 * oerjan revelation
10:52:54 <izabera> yay solved one
10:53:03 <oerjan> darn
10:53:21 * oerjan has 2 regions so far
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10:54:54 * oerjan sees the solution but stubbornly wants to prove it unique
10:55:24 <oerjan> there.
10:55:38 <oerjan> once more with feeling
10:57:01 <oerjan> argh it's hard not to accidentally apply the intuitions from playing too much Loopy :P
10:59:14 <oerjan> second done
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11:01:00 <oerjan> third
11:03:23 * oerjan ups the size
11:04:37 <oerjan> oh wait it's 6 per region now
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11:30:55 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Amycus]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45538&oldid=45536 * Oerjan * (+57) /* Definition */ expand list expression
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11:36:51 * int-e stops after having solved http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/puzzles/js/palisade.html#10x8n8:f1c1b11a12221a2a22222g103a22b0a2a3b1d2a3a2e32a2
11:37:16 <int-e> (I think I've seen this before somewhere, hmm)
11:37:35 <oerjan> the help text says it's a nikoli puzzle
11:41:45 <int-e> hmm, maybe, but I only know the nikoli puzzles that they offer on their free website
11:42:27 <oerjan> there are several other puzzles that vaguely resemble this, though.
11:42:41 <int-e> there's some similarity between palisade and slitherlink (loopy ... ah, you've realized that already. of course.)
11:43:17 <oerjan> also Filling
11:43:31 <oerjan> well not that similar
11:43:38 <oerjan> but confusing
11:44:43 <oerjan> and rect and range, to fill out those with "numbers in rectangular grid"
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11:50:55 <int-e> oh and I've encountered the name before... www.marksteeregames.com/Palisade_rules.pdf
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12:04:59 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Binerdy]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45540&oldid=45539 * Bas * (+0)
12:05:36 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Binerdy]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45541&oldid=45540 * Bas * (+0)
12:17:46 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Binerdy]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45542&oldid=45541 * Bas * (+53) /* Instructions */
12:17:47 <boily> @massages-loud
12:17:47 <lambdabot> oerjan asked 2h 30m 58s ago: WAT?
12:17:47 <lambdabot> oerjan said 2h 29m 12s ago: i think you're still confused, at any rate.
12:17:47 <lambdabot> oerjan said 2h 28m 41s ago: it _is_ johansen hth
12:17:59 <boily> hellørjan. the confusion runs deep.
12:19:14 <oerjan> ic
12:19:28 <oerjan> afternoily
12:20:09 <boily> @metar CYUL
12:20:10 <lambdabot> CYUL 191200Z CCA 14018KT 30SM SCT045 BKN065 OVC230 11/07 A3007 RMK SC3SC4CI1 SLP183
12:20:15 <boily> @metar ENVA
12:20:15 <lambdabot> ENVA 191150Z 10003KT 9999 FEW009 SCT018 M01/M03 Q0997 NOSIG RMK WIND 670FT 15004KT
12:20:24 <boily> not so bad ^^
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12:24:32 <oerjan> *ACHOO*
12:24:55 <oerjan> i got a new winter coat yesterday, otherwise it _would_ be bad
12:25:35 <oerjan> silly hit-and-run boily
12:30:33 <quintopia> well
12:30:36 <quintopia> i did it
12:30:45 <quintopia> UberGenes is functional!
12:31:06 <quintopia> and i again stayed up all night
12:31:07 <quintopia> oops
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12:44:00 <int-e> @metar lowi
12:44:00 <lambdabot> LOWI 191220Z VRB02KT 9999 SCT120 BKN300 11/M00 Q1020 NOSIG
12:44:33 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Binerdy]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45544&oldid=45543 * Bas * (+1) /* Cat */
12:49:40 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Binerdy]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45545&oldid=45544 * Bas * (-4) /* Instructions */
12:54:01 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Binerdy]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45546&oldid=45545 * Bas * (+55) /* Instructions */
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13:12:15 <mauris> i'm late, but haskell's \& thing has always struck me as sort of silly
13:13:46 <mauris> it'd be cool to have, say, "{escaped}" instead of "\escaped"
13:14:10 <mauris> like "this string{n}has a newline in it" looks much more readable to me. but oh no, C doesn't do that!!
13:16:35 <Taneb> I personally disagree
13:16:42 <mauris> also compare "{SOH}{SO}H" vs "\SOH\SO\&H", or "{123}{x45}6" vs "\123\x45\&6"
13:17:24 <mauris> to put {} in strings... you could have {{ and }}, i think?
13:19:15 <mauris> Taneb: how much of that do you think is up to the fact that you're used to "\n"?
13:20:10 <Taneb> mauris: likely, all of it
13:20:25 <Taneb> Well
13:20:33 <Taneb> Also, I'm a lot more likely to want to print { and } than \
13:21:43 <oerjan> you're just not programming enough /// hth
13:22:39 <mauris> yeah, \ sort of lacks meaning outside of programming. maybe "dos/windows file path separator"
13:23:58 <mauris> although, i don't think i put {} in strings all *that* often either. usually () and [] suffice. it would suck for quick code generation scripts though :(
13:25:03 <mauris> like, print("int main() {{ ... }}") is a bit weird. also printing JSON by hand. these are things you "shouldn't do" but in the real world obviously people do 'em
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13:45:21 <mroman> fnard
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14:05:39 <mroman> so the halting problem is not NP-complete because it is not in NP?
14:13:44 <int-e> yes
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15:17:32 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Semantic Brain]] M http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45548&oldid=45507 * SilverWingedSeraph * (+280) Bring up to date with 64d2433
15:30:01 <Melvar> mroman: Yes, it is merely NP-hard. A problem is NPC iff it is both NP and NP-hard.
15:44:22 <b_jonas> oh!
15:44:33 <b_jonas> ok... now I understand what he was saying
15:45:19 <b_jonas> David says that I defined Amycus wrong, namely rule 6
15:45:27 <b_jonas> his version is actually much easier to program
15:45:29 <b_jonas> this explains a lot
15:45:57 <b_jonas> so it's not David who has made a crazy esoteric language actually, but me by making a mistake in the rule.
15:46:03 <b_jonas> damn
15:47:41 <mroman> :)
15:47:45 <b_jonas> his rule 6 is designed so that the language is easy to program, because now he can use <5, <6>: r> for the S rule, rather than having to mess with all the complications
15:47:57 <b_jonas> what do I do now?
15:48:40 <b_jonas> I'll probably have to document these as separate languages
15:48:44 <mroman> Making yet another Amicus derivative.
15:48:59 <b_jonas> yes... except it's not really a derivative
15:49:03 <mroman> :)
15:49:05 <b_jonas> rules 3, 5, 6 are essential
15:49:14 <b_jonas> you can't program without _any_ one of them
15:49:34 <b_jonas> so if rule 6 is different, then more than half of what I say about the language changes.
15:49:44 <b_jonas> I'll have to give it a distinct name
15:53:28 <mroman> Amycus Distinctus?
15:54:21 <Taneb> Amycus Beionus
15:55:31 <b_jonas> the evil solution would be to call it Amicus
15:56:00 <b_jonas> but I would screw that up more than everyone else
15:57:32 <b_jonas> in fact, it should be backwards
15:57:42 <b_jonas> David's language should be Amycus, and my mangled one Amicus
16:03:52 <int-e> . o O ( Amicus is a common misspelling of Amycus )
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16:27:23 <mroman> except when it's not
16:27:40 <mroman> Amicus is a common misspelling of Amycus, except when it's not.
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16:47:22 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[BitShift]] N http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=45549 * Bas * (+1980) Created page with "'''BitShift''' was created by [[user:Bas]] to reminisce the old days, when computers only understood zeroes and ones. ==Language overview== A BitShift program only knows of ..."
16:49:33 <FireFly> Huh, I'm surprised there wasn't a language named that already
16:57:45 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[User:Bas]] N http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=45550 * Bas * (+22) Created page with "I created [[BitShift]]"
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17:39:22 <izabera> when you sign up for the austing group mailing list, you have to pick a salutation among Dr Eng Miss Mr Mrs Ms Prof
17:39:39 <izabera> they're all very specific
17:41:43 <izabera> i mean, it's 2015, come on
17:42:13 <izabera> wtf they want my phone number as well
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17:43:57 <int-e> "so we can call you in case you forget your password"
17:44:25 <izabera> :| thanks that's very nice of you
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17:48:54 <irctc267> Hi
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17:50:25 <int-e> `welcome irctc267
17:50:26 <HackEgo> irctc267: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: <http://esolangs.org/>. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.)
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18:15:33 <hppavilion[1]> What happens if I generalize trochoids to ellipses instead of circles?
18:15:45 <hppavilion[1]> I suppose they become much harder to draw programmatically
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18:20:22 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Amycus]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45551&oldid=45538 * B jonas * (+421)
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18:32:28 <FireFly> Websites and such asking for titles always weird me out..
18:32:42 <Taneb> WHAT IS YOUR TITLE
18:32:47 <FireFly> I'd rather they didn't use any title at all
18:33:12 <Taneb> Solution: get a doctorate
18:35:27 <int-e> Hmm is "Prof" legally protected in any way?
18:38:11 <int-e> . o O ( we could all be professors at the esoteric language institute, the internet 101, worldwide )
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19:15:56 <izabera> a friend of mine showed me the input that codeeval used in their brainfuck challenge
19:16:19 <izabera> they're 10 trivial programs, one per line http://sprunge.us/XYPj
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19:18:39 <izabera> also they're assholes because they didn't specify that you need to write to the right side of the tape
19:18:52 <izabera> err left
19:18:54 <izabera> whatever
19:19:17 <FireFly> In general I think the codeeval tasks seem to be pretty poorly specified
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19:52:38 <hppavilion[1]> I'm trying to add Parabolic arcs to WT2i
19:52:47 <hppavilion[1]> But they're coming out weird
19:53:02 <hppavilion[1]> They stretch up to the top of the screen and are solid black
19:53:11 <hppavilion[1]> Which doesn't seem like it should be happenning
19:54:38 <hppavilion[1]> Wait, found the problem. I think.
20:02:21 <hppavilion[1]> Should I add Sine and Cosine waves to WT2i?
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20:07:07 <hppavilion[1]> I think I'll generalize WalText2i to a more PDFy thing
20:10:12 <hppavilion[1]> Maybe
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23:43:49 <hppavilion[1]> I had an idea for Kastor
23:44:12 <hppavilion[1]> The "." operator: Accepts two integers, returns a float. Yep. I went there.
23:44:12 <quintopia> havent we all at some point?
23:44:29 <hppavilion[1]> quintopia: No. Kastor is a language I'm making.
23:44:54 <quintopia> oh. must have confused it with Pollucks
23:46:01 <hppavilion[1]> Ah.
23:46:41 <hppavilion[1]> quintopia: In case you're curious, it's a programming language designed for actual, serious usage that draws on my knowledge of Eso.
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23:48:04 <hppavilion[1]> It has weird syntax elements like "specials"- a value followed by a name- that you can define to feed that value to a certain class. For example, with a few lines of code you can make "5i" a meaningful token.
23:48:45 <hppavilion[1]> (Preferably, you make it meaningful by feeding it as the second argument of the "complex([real[, imag]])" class so it makes fucking sense)
23:49:19 <hppavilion[1]> Useful for code obfuscation? Perhaps. Totally amazing and something I want any programming language I use in the future to have? YES.
23:55:04 <quintopia> hmm
23:58:54 <FireFly> So what does the '.' operator do anyway?
23:58:57 <hppavilion[1]> quintopia: Yes?
23:59:25 <hppavilion[1]> FireFly: In the context of two integers, it essentially joins them into a float with the whole part being the lhs and the decimal part the rhs
23:59:35 <hppavilion[1]> In other contexts, it may do something different
23:59:37 <FireFly> oh
23:59:43 <hppavilion[1]> But maybe not. It might just be for that.
23:59:45 <FireFly> That's... a bit cute
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