< 1451433649 536274 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : I'm increasingly skeptical quantum computers will ever come to fruition <-- i'm optimistic, because i read shtetl-optimized hth < 1451433698 366277 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although with the possible option of "will hit some unknown physical obstacle which will _itself_ revolutionize science" < 1451433764 666013 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION notes diginet is 17 hours idle but finds @tell excessive. < 1451433856 370074 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait, he said more < 1451434058 193181 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell diginet mostly because one hasn't appeared yet <-- note that the really good theory for quantum computers requires reaching a reliability threshold before you can use error correction at _all_, and experiments have only _just_ started getting past that point. < 1451434058 637771 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1451435106 939919 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1 = λs.0, 0 = λs.I, I = λx.x <-- i have a hunch that representation will be hard to use, especially if the numbers are unbounded < 1451435135 636929 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I think I got it wrong, actually < 1451435150 772017 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's not church numerals, at least < 1451435160 904919 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should be 1 = λs.s0, should it not? < 1451435173 166269 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but church numerals are probably not the only possible representation. < 1451435188 169253 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1451435214 455635 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean n+1 = λs.sn ? < 1451435215 208994 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Of course; I read an article the other day where someone defined numbers as lists of T= < 1451435215 452665 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :λxy.x an F=λxy.y < 1451435221 121767 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Pretty much < 1451435230 114304 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And 0=λs.sI < 1451435253 683217 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I basically used church numerals in general but wrote the initial definition wrong < 1451435273 655033 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um that's not what i call church numerals either < 1451435321 249625 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Basically, I'm trying to say church numerals but I forgot how they work < 1451435334 389664 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They used the binary list notation because they were going for the Lambda Calcular equivalent of adding on a TM < 1451435364 954921 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :n = λfx.f(f(f(...(f(x))))) hth < 1451435395 644679 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because λ-calculus's normal church numeral representation is horribly inefficient, and the Church-Turing Thesis or whatever says that all TC systems can do problems at the same rate or something like that < 1451435396 575388 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :n+1 = λfx.f(nfx) < 1451435430 139597 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, if it can be done in Polynomial time on a TM, then it can be done in Polynomial Time in any equivalent system, including things like Minsky Machines and, of course, the λ-calculus < 1451435441 759207 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[2]: that's simply wrong. < 1451435451 77494 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :minsky machines have exponential slowdown. < 1451435459 293935 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: There's some theorem that says what I'm trying to get at < 1451435473 340301 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let me check the article < 1451435604 309119 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Ah, it's that anything that can be efficiently calculated can be efficiently calculated on a TM, or equivalently in λ-calculus. That's the strong Church-Turing Thesis < 1451435625 600935 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where "efficiently" is "in polynomial time" < 1451435639 252975 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh. < 1451435650 281462 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As a demonstration, he implemented a more efficient version of addition in λ-calculus < 1451435655 276438 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quantum computers are theorized to violate that btw < 1451435656 635597 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://useless-factor.blogspot.com/2007/04/thoughts-on-church-numerals.html < 1451435664 427050 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: REALLY!? < 1451435667 340605 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :AWESOME! < 1451435707 490122 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I was about to say that I secretly hope that the Church-Turing Thesis is completely wrong, to the point of there being infinitely many machines more powerful than a TM, and preferably not following some predefined pattern) < 1451435711 702004 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, because they can do e.g. factorization in polynomial time, which is theorized not to be possible in polynomial time with a TM < 1451435720 924748 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Wow. < 1451435744 739718 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, i've heard that called the Extended Church-Turing Thesis over at scott aaronson's blog. < 1451435744 999527 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that, like, the church-quantum-turing thesis or something? Is there some metaquantum computer with a similar increase? xD < 1451435789 279760 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Of course, quantum computers aren't "real" CS because they rely on the universe being shittily designed and a buggy piece of crap < 1451435792 581737 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1451435805 867885 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the revised thesis would be that a quantum computer is optimal, since it is believed to be able to simulate any physical system. < 1451435850 858222 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Is there such thing as a Stringy Computer that relies on String Theory? xD < 1451435851 591986 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds like it would really help weather forecasters. < 1451435862 432249 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zgrep: As long as they enter ALL of the decimal places < 1451435871 133568 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"this universe is too fast, it must be buggy" O KAY < 1451435887 457257 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Pretty much < 1451435901 337941 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Let's scrap it and start over. Bring me some more energy, will you?" < 1451435915 85296 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I were a god, I would create a universe in which all problems are solvable in n***n time < 1451435919 201318 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(*** is tetration) < 1451435923 477609 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[2]: i dunno, although there's some theory about closed timelike loops from general relativity, if they existed might allow even greater efficiency. < 1451435943 916523 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(basically, time traveling computation) < 1451435949 131907 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would not be a kind god to my universe's programmers. < 1451435970 591039 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: My god. I've been meaning to write a Wiki article on chronos.py, the Python library for time travel < 1451435996 29871 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: The same thing could be said about using Narnia for computation < 1451436123 561793 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well narnia's relative speed was somewhat unpredictable. i recall there was a point in The Last Battle where it was actually slower than Earth. < 1451436140 921999 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh < 1451436177 567316 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Should I base Chronos on the wormhole-based timetravel? The one where you need to have a wormhole setup first to travel back through it? < 1451436246 865890 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ERM < 1451436251 458068 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :IF YOU WANT < 1451436293 85725 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a nice way of solving the paradox of why we haven't noticed any time travelers yet. < 1451436321 591711 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: It's also the most likely solution I know of for time travel < 1451436362 11496 :mihow!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1451436376 393042 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION gets an urge to link to the relevant tvtropes page < 1451436418 39441 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Do so < 1451436435 477635 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid tvtropes has got popup ads < 1451436448 242029 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/OurTimeTravelIsDifferent < 1451436541 370955 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is Chronos? < 1451436698 113300 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: The word or what I'm talking about < 1451436740 490918 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your.. work < 1451436860 867854 :gde33!kvirc@546A0B75.cm-12-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1451438321 372964 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :#esoteric will like this: http://codegolf.stackexchange.com/a/67949/3852 < 1451438351 478504 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've talked about "brainfuck programs whose output is longer than their code" in here before! < 1451438459 908090 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :this time, you have to print an integer matching /[1-9][0-9]*/, longer than your code, and minimize that integer. i don't think the code given there is minimal < 1451438603 267207 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Then link to All The Tropes wiki which has no popup ads, or disable popup ads, or preferably both. < 1451438654 319194 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in theory my browser has disabled popups. however these get through somehow. < 1451438687 317121 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it may only disable actual new windows... < 1451438870 141614 :jaboja64!~jaboja@esg214.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1451438946 34977 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what popup ads? < 1451439006 278485 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmm < 1451439030 701966 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Quit: WALRUS MAAAAAAAAAAAAN < 1451439042 121636 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hold on lemme try chrome < 1451439056 889393 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1451439099 281060 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? bracket < 1451439100 648758 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bracket? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1451439123 262107 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`le/rn bracket/bracket? ¯\[°​_o]/¯ < 1451439126 612686 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned «bracket» < 1451439265 614734 :dcentral!~IGLC@2601:681:500:165a:d579:8b85:6bfb:4f9c QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1451439415 249947 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :mauris: tricky task < 1451439434 732427 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1451439603 66350 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1451439659 623414 :jaboja64!~jaboja@esg214.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1451440111 355960 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oooh < 1451440112 477308 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OOooh < 1451440113 753936 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OOOOH < 1451440125 242308 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just had an idea for the Tower Defence game I'm making < 1451440130 549663 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A sort of pseudo-time travel < 1451440135 465554 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the form of missions < 1451440232 537974 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If random temporal anomalies are enabled, sometimes a tower is sent back in time for you in a crisis. It fights for you, then it dies from Temporal Exhaustion. You have the mission to get an identical tower by a certain point in time and send it back, or the universe is unraveled by the paradox and you lose the game. < 1451440803 151483 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1451440823 504004 :atslash!~atslash@broadband-46-188-0-82.2com.net QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1451440967 389 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: But... why does it die from Temporal Exhaustion? Why can't I have a tower appear from the future, and then send the very same tower back (after some repairs, of course)... < 1451441013 330495 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zgrep: Because that wouldn't be as much of a pain in the ass < 1451442319 985840 :AlexR42!~textual@145.255.21.176 JOIN :#esoteric < 1451442496 546781 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: Well, towers could lose things over time, or get damaged, or something. And have to be fixed. < 1451442655 455308 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zgrep: Ooooh < 1451442658 743832 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll keep that in mind < 1451442689 746025 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only thing I have coded so far is rendering and about a fifth of a bullet < 1451442699 808784 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though the bullet is more of a test than a final game thing < 1451442736 851939 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to see a "Humorous Standardization" StackExchange < 1451442752 978664 :andrew!~andrew@116.25.144.3 JOIN :#esoteric < 1451442754 918606 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically, you're given a task to efficiently implement a protocol for, and you do it. < 1451443236 211481 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zgrep: What do you think of that idea? < 1451443422 15288 :andrew!~andrew@116.25.144.3 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1451443597 757772 :andrew!~andrew@116.25.144.3 JOIN :#esoteric < 1451443683 73255 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1451443892 677019 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/93958/strange-standardization?referrer=ZiABwUx2idavPb19oRj8Gw2 < 1451444016 550625 :andrew!~andrew@116.25.144.3 QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1451444042 665219 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dynastic Title Transfer Protocol? < 1451444045 766592 :andrew!~andrew@116.25.144.3 JOIN :#esoteric < 1451444170 461381 :jaboja64!~jaboja@esg214.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1451444547 719275 :jaboja!~jaboja@esg214.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1451444925 603278 :AlexR42!~textual@145.255.21.176 QUIT :Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com < 1451445722 792026 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1451445790 620145 :jaboja!~jaboja@esg214.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1451446173 778309 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jjrrtswonlxeywnw JOIN :#esoteric < 1451446650 391485 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://stackoverflow.com/questions/4456438/how-do-i-correctly-pass-the-string-null-an-employees-proper-surname-to-a-so dis < 1451446654 27897 :jaboja!~jaboja@esg214.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1451447840 664572 :dcentral!~IGLC@206.251.40.170 JOIN :#esoteric < 1451448262 370977 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1] who isn't here: Isn't that called RFC? :P < 1451448490 75431 :jaboja!~jaboja@esg214.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1451448744 399568 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :zgrep: zgrellop. you should @ask hppavilion[1]. < 1451448880 672205 :jaboja!~jaboja@esg214.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1451450075 639809 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDream < 1451450784 788112 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1451450972 83561 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca QUIT :Quit: TUNNEL CHICKEN < 1451451258 558764 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1451451323 151524 :andrew!~andrew@116.25.144.3 QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1451451347 668660 :andrew!~andrew@116.25.144.3 JOIN :#esoteric < 1451451350 625672 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1451451863 669855 :jaboja!~jaboja@esg214.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1451452610 620877 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1451452652 804091 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1451452943 280750 :jaboja!~jaboja@esg214.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1451455947 487408 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you have a technical support service, you should also install a DTMF decoder that can display the number so that it can be use even in case some caller tries to push the numbers into the telephone. < 1451456412 978103 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a computer program to emulate a fax modem so that you can send the fax by connecting the audio connection to the telephone directly? < 1451456630 680300 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1451456967 33687 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I don't know of such a program, but that would be useful to many people who have to deal with fax-using fogeys < 1451456987 119565 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially if it was an android app < 1451457035 957437 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For doing portable faxes yes, although I mean one that can be used even without Android-based system even just use a C program < 1451457506 753983 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean to be able to send a fax in case you do not have a fax modem. < 1451457842 222944 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not know of one either. < 1451458157 133495 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In many hotels the telephone has a data port so that you can connect your own equipment, possibly including fax; I have even seen one hotel room that has a telephone line on the wall that specifically says "fax". But if it can be done by computer software and if they will tell you which is the internal telephone number by computer fax then maybe you do not have to pay extra for an external call. < 1451460605 626534 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: I want to see a "Humorous Standardization" StackExchange <-- Isn't that simply an RFC? :P < 1451460626 173437 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/RFC/IETF RFC/ < 1451460629 835582 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zgrep: Yes, but this one allows people to make their own < 1451460638 346060 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. :P < 1451460640 576797 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zgrep: http://area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/93958/strange-standardization-and-domain-specific-languages < 1451461775 961531 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1451461785 757529 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1451462387 245903 :trn!jhj@trnsz.com QUIT :Quit: quit < 1451463246 344278 :jaboja!~jaboja@esg214.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1451467115 788460 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jjrrtswonlxeywnw QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1451469699 247546 :trn!jhj@trnsz.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1451470113 928026 :dende!~dende@176.6.82.190 JOIN :#esoteric < 1451470421 185792 :dende!~dende@176.6.82.190 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1451471846 676155 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1451471865 671019 :atslash!~atslash@broadband-46-188-0-82.2com.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1451472693 354892 :tjt263!~RAPSCA77I@unaffiliated/tjt263 JOIN :#esoteric < 1451473744 981027 :Welo!~hato@546A4E77.cm-12-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1451474383 53526 :atslash!~atslash@broadband-46-188-0-82.2com.net QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1451475140 812375 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? disney < 1451475143 249278 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? mickey mouse < 1451475146 581687 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1451475151 967894 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :trick/A trick learnt is a trick half forgotten. < 1451475152 165479 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mickey mouse? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1451475152 324904 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :disney? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1451475217 19135 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :filo? < 1451475845 695594 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not explicitly so. < 1451476024 685237 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric < 1451476612 434118 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`perl -esleep$_,warn$_ for 10 < 1451476614 292701 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`perl -esleep$_,warn$_ for 2 < 1451476619 692206 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 at -e line 1. < 1451476623 263653 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :10 at -e line 1. < 1451476629 217962 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`perl -esleep$_,warn$_ for 2 < 1451476630 203214 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`perl -esleep$_,warn$_ for 10 < 1451476632 554738 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 at -e line 1. < 1451476641 181672 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :10 at -e line 1. < 1451476675 106387 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably just executing multiple commands in parallel, and printing whichever finishes first. I don't know how the file writes work though. < 1451477383 23201 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's complicated. < 1451477393 558728 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Involving running the same thing twice. < 1451477464 183155 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I keep forgetting the details too, but there are some corner cases you can hit that produce unexpected results. < 1451477530 446422 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know that jevalbot doesn't handle this properly: if you run two statements at the same time, then the changes in the environment by the one that ends first are completely lost, even if the command that ends second doesn't change anything, < 1451477553 574432 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the bot gives no easy way to lock or anything. < 1451477577 323306 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you just have to be careful not to run other statements while state-changing statements are running. < 1451477599 728256 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo's things act on separate repository checkouts, so they don't trample over each other. < 1451477604 353381 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a rarely used command to run a statement without state, but that doesn't even _read_ the state, not only doesn't write it. < 1451477621 805561 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1451477659 907159 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I ever rewrite jeval, I'll have to change this system to something saner, possibly simply to waiting till the previous command on the session finishes. < 1451477675 895066 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's not very likely that I'll rewrite it. < 1451477697 513902 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I seem to recall HackEgo also does a global lock when it's doing the second run that actually does the changes that get committed, so that the changes themselves are serialized. < 1451478262 93336 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, verified. The transaction logic is approximately: Do a shared lock, run the command in a fresh checkout, get the output. If the checkout is not dirty, write the output and finish. Otherwise, obtain an exclusive lock, clean and update the checkout, run the same command again and commit the changes it made. Write out the output from the second run. < 1451478293 489712 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where "write the output" means saying it out loud on the channel. < 1451478582 516775 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And "run the command" means spawning a new UML sandbox. Since the only persistent state is the version control checkout, and that's cleaned + updated before running the command a second time, it's normally not really visible that things that modify the persistent files get executed twice. But there were some special cases where you could tell. < 1451479880 780878 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I see < 1451479913 906024 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1451479916 159916 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :herbalist/An herbalist is a list of herbas. < 1451479923 546730 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1451479925 15117 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mathematimu/A mathematimu is a quantum of mathematics. If you observe it, its codepoint can change. < 1451479964 783484 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1451479966 135630 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ocean/The Pacific Ocean is half the world and surrounded by fire. The Atlantic Ocean is less cool than its giant underwater mountain range. The Arctic Ocean is cold. The Indian Ocean is full of typhoons and non-Eurocentric shipping. < 1451480027 483228 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1451480028 891060 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ngevd/ngevd is a fake wisdom entry because having an actual infinite file in wisdom/ makes all manner of stuff bloody awkward. `? ngevd is special-cased in bin/?. leave this file alone Phantom_Hoover‼ also t​swett‼ < 1451480049 849887 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1451480051 898412 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :caps lock/CAPS LOCK IS CRUISE CONTROL FOR TIRED OLD MEMES < 1451480231 671064 :andrew!~andrew@116.25.144.3 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1451480407 549528 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? flying < 1451480408 859795 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :flying? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1451480410 4875 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? flying car < 1451480411 358471 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :flying car? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1451480414 438853 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? future < 1451480416 95798 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :We know nothing about the future. < 1451482104 954626 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1451483932 771609 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-29-107.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1451484382 548719 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1451486410 622929 :Welo!~hato@546A4E77.cm-12-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1451487596 621929 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1451488536 385218 :Welo!~hato@546A4E77.cm-12-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1451488599 701298 :atslash!~atslash@broadband-46-188-0-82.2com.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1451488761 988413 :mauris_!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric < 1451488949 668502 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1451489274 323817 :Welo!~hato@546A4E77.cm-12-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1451489834 372899 :atslash!~atslash@broadband-46-188-0-82.2com.net QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1451490355 960858 :Welo!~hato@546A4E77.cm-12-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1451490893 730858 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-wmbexvkuioiwdtlu QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1451491410 758900 :mauris__!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric < 1451491536 955850 :mauris_!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1451491927 111325 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-29-107.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1451492114 248371 :MDream!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDude < 1451492602 929983 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1451492917 940297 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1451493517 549484 :Welo!~hato@546A4E77.cm-12-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1451493705 362928 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar CYQB < 1451493705 568603 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYQB 301614Z 06011KT 1 1/2SM -FZDZ -SG BR BKN008 OVC013 M08/M09 A3030 RMK SF5SC3 VIS VRB 1-2 SLP268 < 1451493720 939948 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :-SG? < 1451493820 175999 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Snow Grains ← http://meteocentre.com/doc/metar.html (WMO Code Table 4678) < 1451494451 832710 :Welo!~hato@546A4E77.cm-12-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1451494473 130170 :Welo!~hato@546A4E77.cm-12-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Client Quit < 1451494547 525521 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar ESSB < 1451494547 943088 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :ESSB 301650Z 16009KT CAVOK 01/M02 Q1033 R12/19//74 < 1451494569 367172 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :FirelloFly. < 1451494598 279856 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sad that the really nearby airstrip closed 2006 < 1451494620 406442 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :It used to be ESCN < 1451494682 335867 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar ESCN < 1451494682 646380 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :No result. < 1451494690 2361 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :no results anymore... < 1451494714 359294 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be neat to have a voronoi diagram of the earth's surface, split by ICAO codes. < 1451494967 528754 :mauris__!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1451494993 755713 :mauris__!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric < 1451495686 979389 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-cremdfzsscurawzn JOIN :#esoteric < 1451496473 151027 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@86.89.119.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1451496782 947074 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@86.89.119.147 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1451497279 891788 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca QUIT :Quit: ERSATZ CHICKEN < 1451497343 733565 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@2a02:a448:4a62:0:548d:2bb6:e105:b48e JOIN :#esoteric < 1451499822 697659 :dcentral!~IGLC@206.251.40.170 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1451500025 617125 :atslash!~atslash@broadband-46-188-0-82.2com.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1451500083 584707 :jaboja!~jaboja@esg214.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1451500168 927221 :mauris_!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric < 1451500325 755633 :mauris__!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1451500502 735433 :mauris__!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric < 1451500688 919153 :mauris_!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1451501040 414710 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-kmdbcinerenstfml JOIN :#esoteric < 1451501246 162428 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07WhoScript14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46034&oldid=46021 5* 03MCS-Kaijin 5* (+1) 10 < 1451501909 160152 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1451502111 777657 :jaboja64!~jaboja@ery177.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1451502334 796023 :jaboja!~jaboja@esg214.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1451502753 805411 :mauris__!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl NICK :mauris < 1451504232 723098 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1451504457 359731 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@2a02:a448:4a62:0:548d:2bb6:e105:b48e QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1451505980 95904 :mihow!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1451506488 708611 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1451506606 212772 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Icezen 5* 10New user account < 1451508395 850453 :jaboja64!~jaboja@ery177.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1451509640 767782 :TodPunk!~Tod@67-2-194-175.slkc.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1451509810 930845 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1451509858 607600 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1451509992 80009 :TodPunk!~Tod@67-2-45-172.slkc.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1451511402 794151 :jaboja!~jaboja@ery177.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1451511516 17627 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-cremdfzsscurawzn QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1451511754 299165 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1451511767 198241 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pie/I like pie \ I like pie < 1451511777 76738 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :me too! < 1451512513 771920 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is it there twice, though? < 1451512532 231410 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: What are your opinions regarding pies? < 1451512532 390551 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: but humans can understand the reasoning behind the fnord. on fnord, i think < 1451512577 939517 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1451512629 893231 :trn!jhj@trnsz.com QUIT :Quit: quit < 1451512949 975400 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: I don't know if they serve pies with fnord < 1451512950 204280 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: of course it wouldn't help in this case, more than anybody on d) ( lambda ( elt) ( display < 1451513690 757515 :jaboja!~jaboja@ery177.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1451513779 702954 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh no! The diplomat delivering $2.5 million USD to me is stranded "at Airport". < 1451513825 139056 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I assume this is the first you've heard of the diplomat in question? < 1451513831 954943 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders if there's a settlement named Airport < 1451513903 14574 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. Also it's a very ambiguous message genderwise. < 1451513926 285829 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :your gender, the diplomat's, or the sender's? < 1451513935 633110 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The diplomat's. < 1451513937 16196 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Send your address and phone number to him today and assist hER when She contacts you for more direction. His name is paul william, he arrived at your Airport yesterday with your package and She will need to proceed to your address immediately after her first delivery --" < 1451513959 469986 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe they're talking about two different people. < 1451514008 890857 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this reminds me of an infamous line from megaman battle network 4 < 1451514020 637038 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't remember the exact wording but it was something like "what a polite young man she was!" < 1451514030 318728 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I can't remember the gender of the person it referred to, either) < 1451514136 18236 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can also call Richard Bruno, who is a director. They don't mention why I should, just that I can. < 1451514442 669860 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1451514454 334003 :jaboja!~jaboja@ery177.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1451514491 145532 :jaboja!~jaboja@ery177.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1451515475 535481 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Tormaroe 5* 10New user account < 1451515736 868270 :trn!jhj@trnsz.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1451516704 456583 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja NICK :earenndil < 1451516844 700499 :mauris_!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric < 1451517092 754442 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1451517323 693760 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1451517373 556592 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bonsoily < 1451517395 660463 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric < 1451517572 726769 :mauris_!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1451517810 381358 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :bonsœrjan. < 1451517823 757360 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :people on our minecraft server are doing mysterious things. < 1451517824 654365 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :happy new year < 1451517840 585180 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jhellonas. already?!?!!!???11!!one!!?six???6?? < 1451517848 685906 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, in advance < 1451517866 145007 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonne annéeas! < 1451517872 319092 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I might not be here on the channel at the time the new year actually starts < 1451517919 707064 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll probably not be there either. we're going to far away places to visit my grandma tomorrow and back. < 1451517937 280788 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :good < 1451517982 752692 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar CYRJ < 1451517982 938048 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait... six? < 1451517983 122875 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYRJ 302322Z 27003KT 2SM -SN OVC012 M12/M14 A3013 RMK SN3SC5 SLP223 < 1451517987 938430 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? six < 1451517989 391632 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? 6 < 1451517991 829916 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ? < 1451517997 328448 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :6? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1451517997 524179 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​? is wisdom < 1451517997 682975 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :six? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1451518000 452903 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, Shift-6 produces ?. < 1451518005 5885 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1451518025 13117 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that on shift-slash or shift-comma? < 1451518030 32837 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :1!, 2@, 3#, 4$, 5%, 6?, 7&, 8*, 9(, 0), -_, =+. < 1451518046 22590 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shift-/ is \. < 1451518050 573196 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shift-, is '. < 1451518089 384502 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't even make sense. that would require extra transistors. < 1451518102 36272 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's shift-slash because it's 16 over slash < 1451518144 704240 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :/1234567890-=qwertyuiop^çàasdfghjkl;èzxcvbnm,.é < 1451518165 823423 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :\!@#$%?&*()_+QWERTYUIOP¨ÇÀASDFGHJKL:ÈZXCVBNM'"É < 1451518176 419963 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(mind you, ^ and ¨ are dead keys.) < 1451518209 174756 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what... is that some sort of saner french layout than the azerty one? < 1451518250 447124 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it a Canadian layout? < 1451518263 494325 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and where's ù ? < 1451518324 423667 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's sane! it's one of the two French Canadian layouts. < 1451518352 392397 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have a dedicated ù on this keyboard (ANSI key layout). I have to hit AltGr-` then u. < 1451518374 725775 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(œ is also missing, but I can understand that, nobody likes mayonaise) < 1451518386 679778 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use us international altgr dead keys < 1451518387 928957 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :œ is RightCtrl-Œ. < 1451518407 157705 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1451518415 555189 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :RightCtrl-what? < 1451518416 795393 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right Control, then E. < 1451518420 311399 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1451518429 684385 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the ørjanletter is RightCtrl-o. < 1451518429 880096 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :crazy < 1451518442 114756 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :óerjan < 1451518444 140457 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :crazy < 1451518463 874293 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :táńéĺĺé. < 1451518495 165682 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for comparison, here's the insane layout I use: http://www.math.bme.hu/~ambrus/pu/keymap < 1451518543 179391 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://blog.docker.com/2015/12/ian-murdock/ ← damn :( < 1451518574 485452 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ambrus? < 1451518576 565735 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just using UK QWERTY because I'm boring < 1451518662 485532 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily? < 1451518741 752037 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :T_T < 1451518744 582267 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :just wondering whence the term "ambrus" come from. < 1451518748 886461 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: yup. < 1451518776 223608 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: um, it's a name. it's related to some old Saint or something. < 1451518786 89657 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or more than one. < 1451518812 113970 :jaboja!~jaboja@ery177.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1451518814 832043 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it wasn't, like, invented by my parents, they just decided to call me that. < 1451518830 181772 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know because there are older people called Ambrus than me. < 1451518845 413605 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Funnily it's about half-and-half used as a family name and a given name. < 1451518955 112699 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: So that means that ~25% of people with "ambrus" in their name are named Ambrus Ambrus? < 1451518970 428084 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or something like that < 1451518972 71214 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: no, I don't think so < 1451518980 318326 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Statistically speaking < 1451518986 227724 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1451519000 329273 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :People often speak "statistically" but rarely "probabilistically" < 1451519014 411151 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Where did I screw up on the math? I did it somewhere, I'm sure. < 1451519028 952182 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not that a frequent name, so no, and also half of the people with Ambrus as a family name are female and so can't have Ambrus as the given name < 1451519032 139387 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], you assume that the two are independent < 1451519033 222544 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: you assumed that half of all people have ambrus as a first name, and half of all peopel have ambrus as a surname < 1451519036 209819 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that the two are independent < 1451519042 732449 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first assumption is probably the larger one < 1451519048 605292 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you are making many fallacies < 1451519056 162358 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: even if they're independent it won't work < 1451519062 258705 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I mean only people that have "ambrus" in their name < 1451519064 692387 :jaboja!~jaboja@ery177.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1451519065 608901 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the first place < 1451519066 900780 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas, yes, I realise that now < 1451519069 831786 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I observed a green apple, therefore by the Paradox of the Ravens all Hungarians are named Ambrus Ambrus. < 1451519071 676986 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know I did the math wrong, I'm sure of that < 1451519103 236428 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should probably be (percentage of people with name "ambrus" in their name out of all people)**2 or something like that for the entire population < 1451519104 270980 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily, I don't believe I've ever met a hungarian to my knowledge not called Ambrus Ambrus < 1451519116 79783 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I have a friend whose surname is Toth who traces her descent to Hungary < 1451519128 243744 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: that doesn't make a difference though, if you're assuming independence (and if not the formula doesn't work anyway) < 1451519132 617106 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I presume there at least used to be some Toths in Hungary < 1451519135 356334 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fact that you're only including people with at least one ambrus < 1451519150 466428 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually the calculation is wrong anyway, it should have come to a result of ~33% due to overlap double-counting < 1451519154 796287 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Which I was < 1451519163 653285 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's hard to get precise statistics because it's not among the most common names. It's probably among the first 1000 most common male given names, but definitely not among the first 100. < 1451519164 968011 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh right, overlap < 1451519172 533328 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: I checked Shrodinger's box, therefor Walrus God < 1451519183 912833 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas, is Toth a heard-of Hungarian surname? < 1451519191 115438 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: assume 1% of people have ambrus as a first name and 1% have it as a surname, then with independence, 0.01% of people have it as both < 1451519193 844183 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What happens if you put a Shrodinger box in another Schrodinger box? < 1451519207 155298 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a 50% chance that there's a 50% chance that the cat's still alive? < 1451519213 436968 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Ropy14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=46035 5* 03Tormaroe 5* (+6829) 10Created page with "'''Ropy''' is a stack-based, two-dimensional [[esoteric programming language]] invented in 2012 by Torbjørn Marø. In many ways it works the same as [[Befunge]], but with a d..." < 1451519213 740010 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :meaning that 1/199 of people with at least one ambrus have two < 1451519217 180842 :jaboja!~jaboja@ery177.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1451519237 844844 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: yes, it's common, although it's usually spelled Tóth here, but many people outside of Hungary spell it Toth, including the guy whose homepage is http://www.vttoth.com/ < 1451519239 287535 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, the inner Shrodinger box being turned on depends on the outer one activating < 1451519250 429188 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's Schrodingers all the way down < 1451519305 42295 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], it's all linear algebra in the end < 1451519329 81318 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: It's all combinatory logic underneath that < 1451519329 811251 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas, how is it pronounced? < 1451519446 340507 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: right, except there's probably only on the order of magnitude of 1000 people called Ambrus, so the intersection would be less than 1 person, if it was independent. though given the stupid names parents give to their children, there's somewhat better odds that someone is or was actually called Ambrus Ambrus. < 1451519458 740591 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got WalText2i for my new WalrusOS working :) < 1451519471 591935 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the argument parsing at least < 1451519478 515041 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are definitely some people with the same given name as family name. < 1451519515 994540 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And also lots of people whose given name is otherwise a bad match for their family name, because the parents didn't think. < 1451519539 703038 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Hugh Gerection. < 1451519559 404964 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Yes, Hugh spelled like that, not the correct way) < 1451519602 608542 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: I'm not sure there is a "proper way" with names < 1451519608 946598 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"hugh" is one of the most common spellings of that name thouh < 1451519610 482245 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*though < 1451519613 240992 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Ropy14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46036&oldid=46035 5* 03Tormaroe 5* (+1138) 10/* How it works */ < 1451519625 185719 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: There is, some people just ignore it because they're idiots < 1451519657 410233 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Luckily, my parents gave me a name that isn't so uncommon that it's stupid and that is actually spelled the proper way. < 1451519669 621682 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"hppavilion"? :-) < 1451519682 826716 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that uncommon, and spelled correctly apart from possibly a missing space and capital P < 1451519716 812785 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: xD < 1451519780 470506 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are a lot of names that are also given names: Balázs, Lukács, László, Jakab, Sándor, Kelemen, Antal, Pál, Illés, Jónás, Máté, Gáspár, Orbán, Virág, Barna, Tamás, Péter, Márton are all on the table of the 100 most common family names, with Vincze as an honorary mention. < 1451519786 962630 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For WalText2i, should I reset the env after each character, or should I leave it untouched so you can glean information about the previous character? < 1451519794 884353 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Crazy, I didn't realize there were that many common ones. < 1451519820 493470 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. a character definition ends with `end=x+yi`, so you can then work from `end` on the next character < 1451519826 563693 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: hmm, some of those names have obvious equivalents with English names, others don't < 1451519834 957584 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca QUIT :Quit: SEVENTH CHICKEN < 1451519841 384682 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My god... < 1451519844 961768 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The seventh chicken... < 1451519850 485238 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: sure, because like half of the common given names in Hungary are actually biblical names < 1451519875 112545 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the same is true in some English-speaking countries < 1451519880 890260 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(with one interesting odd one out: "László", often misspelled or misaccented, is recognized as being Hungarian but reasonably recognizable as a name in English despite that) < 1451519883 988626 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mária is the single most common given name in Hungary < 1451519906 969772 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: sure, it's recognizable because Lovász László (sr) is so famous < 1451519923 220834 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, László is now apparently the most common given name in Hungary < 1451519924 639292 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's strange < 1451519930 234599 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : It's Schrodingers all the way down <-- see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wigner%27s_friend hth < 1451519941 795284 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thoguht it was stil József, but nope, all the Józsefs got old and died apparently or something < 1451519959 585716 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :name fashions change a lot < 1451519995 219742 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's always some newly fashionable name that everyone gives to babies, which is rare among adults but quickly gets common in the age group of that baby