< 1453766508 883798 :poe_T!~poetus112@unaffiliated/poetus112 JOIN :#esoteric < 1453766692 681925 :spiette!~spiette@72-53-140-195.cpe.distributel.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1453767034 556211 :poe_T!~poetus112@unaffiliated/poetus112 PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1453768010 950663 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugh < 1453768029 342629 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got a λ-calculus parser up and running, but I'm not sure how to evaluate, or what evaluation would even look like < 1453768061 632338 :p34k!~p34k@nat-wh-wz4-12.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de QUIT : < 1453768534 371888 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Find a place where you've got a lambda-function applied to something. < 1453768545 396275 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perform alpha-conversion if necessary, then perform beta-reduction. < 1453768550 647822 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Repeat. < 1453768559 835406 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you can't find such a place, you're done evaluating. < 1453768567 739953 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :'Course, there are several different evaluation orders you can use... < 1453768618 718002 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should use normal order, because all the others are abnormal. < 1453769030 440473 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's an idea < 1453769040 584228 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A language designed to be archaeologically analyzed < 1453769128 729652 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be designed to have a vast, complex syntax and subtle semantics < 1453769629 658725 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And absolutely no documentation. < 1453769632 682626 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or example code. < 1453769670 841323 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we call that MUMPS < 1453769711 418305 :spiette!~spiette@72-53-140-195.cpe.distributel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1453769757 169478 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: The /point/ is that it's just released onto the web one day < 1453769775 899151 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just a (safe, somehow) executable, no source < 1453769776 765091 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I know, but I couldn't resist :) < 1453769858 181404 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: And the people of the world are expected to decrypt the meaning of the language < 1453769924 173873 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1453769925 643226 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could find a lot of unintentional examples of that if you s/language/bytecode/ < 1453769967 275474 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is, you could find examples of undocumented bytecode formats being reverse-engineered. I'm thinking of scripting engines in games mainly < 1453770052 612248 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: Sure < 1453770074 736520 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which, by the way, is pretty fun...) < 1453770074 955347 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: What do you think of the idea though? A diggable language? < 1453770097 805606 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno, it sounds a bit weird to intentionally design it for that, but I guess it could work < 1453770100 492012 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only problem with me doing this is I'm not good at languages I can compile xD < 1453770121 81807 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it kind of defeats the purpose if you can look at the source < 1453770166 249102 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(though it would make things go faster, as you can check for evilness if it's PD) < 1453770415 992218 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1453770432 562745 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1453771251 873189 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: The people on ##programming like the idea :) < 1453772793 347615 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1453773640 528646 :bender|!benderpc@2404:e800:e61a:41d:f90b:ac04:9b43:1dda JOIN :#esoteric < 1453773871 777415 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1453774088 756970 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bcfrbqergetcktkj JOIN :#esoteric < 1453774346 398315 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1453774811 163005 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1453777198 686908 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03YoshikuniJujo 5* 10New user account < 1453777825 559228 :bender|!benderpc@2404:e800:e61a:41d:f90b:ac04:9b43:1dda QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1453777857 9794 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :We're having a sudden growth in new user join rate < 1453777861 359406 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what that's about < 1453778050 284732 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Zot14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46289&oldid=31882 5* 03YoshikuniJujo 5* (+71) 10 < 1453778318 907634 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1453778352 256558 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1453778651 780784 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1453779298 721598 :Treio!~Treio@87.244.233.250 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1453779873 1504 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: topic? < 1453779888 793010 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, imagine a hoard of users that search "trump" from /list < 1453779907 642597 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION realizes it is a nightmare of sort
< 1453779949 766224 :spiette!~spiette@72-53-140-195.cpe.distributel.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1453780015 441026 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: No, new users on the Wiki < 1453780329 105573 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-1-122.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDream < 1453780352 93282 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1453780826 382207 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@24.237.158.11 JOIN :#esoteric < 1453782535 672538 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1453784781 20941 :bender|!benderpc@2404:e800:e61a:41d:f90b:ac04:9b43:1dda JOIN :#esoteric < 1453785938 866588 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], similar to Smalltalk? < 1453785950 332409 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, no source < 1453785971 687780 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@24.237.158.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: Yeah. No source. < 1453785985 666679 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@24.237.158.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: Until somebody solves some complex problem (perhaps producing full, accurate docs?) < 1453786006 954272 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@24.237.158.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then they are granted the source, with which they can do as they wish < 1453786037 854088 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@24.237.158.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: It's not a non-FOSS thing, it's a preventing cheating thing < 1453786047 86550 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, censorship, not inherent < 1453786084 397815 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to not have a fever < 1453786145 393648 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@24.237.158.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: Huh? < 1453786149 278171 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@24.237.158.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The first message < 1453786158 54079 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :night < 1453786163 660801 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@24.237.158.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It wouldn't be fun if you could see the source- oh, night < 1453786193 457212 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was thinking source doesn' < 1453786199 43789 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't even exist < 1453786212 971985 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@24.237.158.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh xD < 1453786235 469238 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@24.237.158.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: No, the source just isn't provided because otherwise you could look at it and it wouldn't be fun < 1453786315 945199 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@24.237.158.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd like to provide the source, but there's no game if I do < 1453787276 373171 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@24.237.158.11 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1453788271 126877 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1453788594 888879 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]! < 1453788608 759964 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hadu! < 1453788619 761463 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's almost my nick < 1453788670 372862 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :adu: It's also almost "Hi" < 1453788678 978236 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(assuming ! is not included as "that") < 1453788680 965839 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1453788745 496334 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :adu: So I had an idea for a cool project < 1453788756 228102 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :An Archaeological Programming Language < 1453788760 999700 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if an algorithm is defined in terms of bits, but it's implemented in terms of int64's, is it a bit algorithm, or a word algorithm? < 1453788763 752679 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :between ] and ! there are a series of tag characters for "IMPLIED GREETING TAG" < 1453788811 368205 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :! not in "that" < 1453788818 116774 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :adu: It's a qucomplex (like complex, but qubits instead of bits) algorithm < 1453788900 188272 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : File "", line 1 < 1453788900 444251 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : ! not in "that" < 1453788900 444307 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : ^ < 1453788900 444339 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :SyntaxError: invalid syntax < 1453788905 534509 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :here's what I don't get, qubits are 3-states, up, down, and 90 degrees from the pole, but the there are an infinite number of possible states, but only 3 are recognized... < 1453788907 513009 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :adu^ < 1453788920 817927 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :adu: I don't understand it either < 1453788968 339447 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think we should start with 7 states 3 above, 3 below, and 1 for the 90 degree state, and then gradually improve with technology < 1453788992 692114 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :then we could have 127-qubit processors, then 1024-qubit processors, etc... < 1453789011 73869 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :adu: Wait, it's neither < 1453789020 550235 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :neither? < 1453789023 763087 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think < 1453789033 398157 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :adu: It's 1, 0, or some probabilistic superposition of both < 1453789050 297224 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it could be e.g. pi%1, (100-pi)% 0 < 1453789061 901381 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right, and it's the superposition that can be prime oracle < 1453789097 416940 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was one guy who spent 10 years building a quantum computer that can factor "15" < 1453789109 781666 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :adu: On 3 atoms though < 1453789163 842112 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, pretty impressive, but still not hack-the-world level < 1453789215 594824 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :adu: I think I just found what is probably the only Wikipedia article with this combination of categories: < 1453789221 17311 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Quantum mechanics" < 1453789224 708221 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Banknotes" < 1453789258 467211 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :adu: Oh, and the probabilities are apparently complex numbers < 1453789263 937388 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because logic < 1453789281 189308 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :complex numbers are very simple, actually < 1453789290 235598 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's quaternions that are complex < 1453789304 789840 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :adu: Yes, I know that < 1453789311 754190 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :adu: I understand complex numbers < 1453789365 164754 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you know my favorite complex number? < 1453789384 482236 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :adu: pi? < 1453789392 818353 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 + 3*I < 1453789420 522804 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the absolute value is 5 < 1453789421 309698 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :4+3i... |4+3i| = 25 < 1453789428 16820 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, you beat me xD < 1453789439 827828 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, forgot to sqrt < 1453789472 645326 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, because it's more real than imaginary :) < 1453789472 864283 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it's just a pythagorean triple < 1453789557 980606 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my favorite real number would have to be 1.6353244967152763993453446183... < 1453789567 192727 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and my favorite integer is 65536 < 1453789579 964258 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://youtu.be/GO6TsdwxcwM < 1453789626 308532 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also https://youtu.be/ZoT82NDpcvQ < 1453789692 383203 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pythagoras is /everywhere/ < 1453789728 225447 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as you can see in both videos: there are at least 4 interesting states < 1453789729 479372 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :1.635... is the supremum of the interval of convergence of y = x^^y < 1453789738 439057 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1, 0, left, right < 1453789757 359963 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so qubits are 5-state? < 1453789780 596786 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, infinitely many, but how do you come to 5? < 1453789796 387333 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: I'm just trying to understand quantum mechanics < 1453789805 659621 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :currently, I don't < 1453789812 275175 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :take a look at the two videos < 1453789855 441737 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, there was a neat talk at 32c3 < 1453789858 745068 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is currently running several computations while watching Continuum, when the episode is over, I'll look at the videos
< 1453789906 485171 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the talk from 32c3 is german, though < 1453790240 130708 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :adu: How do qubits correspond to norbits? < 1453790274 855288 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: the movie? < 1453790285 207346 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :adu: norbits are just bits < 1453790293 386208 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nor(mal) bits < 1453790307 41183 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0477051/ < 1453790358 318130 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :adu: But what's the correspondence between bits and qubits? Do you know? < 1453790389 285048 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1453791123 12862 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :define correspondence < 1453791192 147294 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :qubits collapse to bits < 1453791219 577667 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999594.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :my favorite real number is only hypothetical < 1453791246 458770 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999594.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the unthinkable number closest to 1 < 1453791325 860208 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's a hyperreal < 1453791352 159944 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999594.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. < 1453791378 554818 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999594.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :unthinkable numbers are those for which no formula could be written, even in theory < 1453791402 304126 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it exists in hyperreals < 1453791502 671736 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999594.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :not because the number is infinite or anything, but because the sequence of digits is truly random, and therefore to identify the number requires an infinite amount of information < 1453791517 82669 :llue!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu JOIN :#esoteric < 1453791530 262468 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1453791537 584431 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, you just gave all the information: the smallest positive number < 1453791584 187256 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999594.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the smallest number such that it is unthinkable < 1453791600 580254 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999594.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, no, closest to 1 < 1453791624 224482 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999594.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :among numbers for which no formula can be written, the one closest to 1 < 1453791700 391393 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't have to write a formula for a number to exist < 1453791732 347673 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999594.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly my point < 1453791795 840624 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but on the other hand, "the smallest number without a formula" can most likely be expressed as a formula < 1453791828 593327 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999594.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :now you're getting it < 1453791846 223186 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1453791947 86859 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my math teacher used to teach us that math is a language < 1453791985 693567 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999594.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :so with for example godel numbering, you can enumerate all formulae for real numbers. < 1453792019 120254 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, yeah, that's what gödel did, isn't it? < 1453792042 418229 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999594.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you find that, although the real numbers are uncountable, the real numbers that can actually be thought of or used are countable! < 1453792114 910693 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: so it's a real number that is in a neighborhood of 1 < 1453792135 842960 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A The complement of A" < 1453792145 66957 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this book is going to be fun < 1453792179 278067 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999594.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there supposed to be a accent on that A? < 1453792200 722948 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't see any. may be due to bad scanning < 1453792218 17074 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999594.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :urgh < 1453792293 608478 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see "A The ..." < 1453792303 249705 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly < 1453792314 215321 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I have unicode fonts < 1453792321 868189 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is ascii < 1453792332 86686 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if there was something to see, I would see it < 1453792344 391951 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just _typed_ it < 1453792361 986403 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"gödel" comes thru < 1453792380 987125 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's wrong with gödel < 1453792397 490243 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: Which book? < 1453792432 38461 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999594.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :adu: he's saying the book doesn't have the accents, because of some sort of error < 1453792436 504749 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that computational linguistics thingie that was "recommended" here yesterday < 1453792592 932690 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: I mustn't've been online < 1453792632 542830 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :statistical natural language processing < 1453793054 340475 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ᵃᵇ?ᵈᵉ?ᵍʰⁱʲᵏˡᵐⁿᵒᵖ?ʳˢᵗᵘᵛʷˣʸᶻ < 1453794179 434215 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1453795718 112822 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1453795806 528677 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric < 1453796015 714969 :mauris_!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1453796144 834868 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.154 JOIN :#esoteric < 1453797184 166509 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1453797627 839359 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does untyped Quantum λ-calculus make any sense? Something with the nice λs so I feel safe reading it? xD < 1453797676 966648 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if all you have is a hammer :p < 1453797705 123710 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1453797711 198814 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you may not use this hammer for commercial purposes < 1453797727 870745 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also you may only use it to hammer in nails produced by $company < 1453797730 841123 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything else is illegal < 1453797736 877811 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@massages-load < 1453797737 196756 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan said 17h 11m 36s ago: blub. blib blub blub! < 1453797744 818100 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan what? < 1453797745 80349 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1453797760 127253 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be the case if the hammer were software < 1453797763 715759 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or hardware < 1453797782 730555 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :such licenses should be illegal. < 1453797797 168645 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I get a product I should be allowed to use it like I want to < 1453797812 572915 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(unless I'm using it against other laws such as not killing people) < 1453797823 186194 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but otherwise I should be allowed to do whatever the fuck I want with it. < 1453797863 308706 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if a hammer were software people could demand that they get a revenue share of everything you build with that hammer. < 1453797887 601303 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Ow see, you built this house with our hammer and that means we now own part of that house because you used our tool to construct it." < 1453798108 285056 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nintendo is doing something like that with YouTube revenue :) < 1453798142 732952 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you gotta share your revenues with Nintendo as soon as you have at least one video in your channel featuring nintendo content. < 1453798163 177527 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are going to collect money from people now that advertise your product for free on the internet < 1453798174 606781 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's like ... the most capitalist thing ever ... < 1453798252 925012 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"See, you bought our hammer and teach courses on how to hammer with it to people for money. Since it's our hammer we're entitled that you share your total income with us." < 1453798298 36382 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :where can I lobby against these kind of companies :( < 1453798625 716769 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-67-218.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1453799428 733384 :Froo!~Frooxius@194.108.5.201 JOIN :#esoteric < 1453799564 5536 :andrew!~andrew@14.154.167.146 JOIN :#esoteric < 1453799608 918704 :Froox!~Frooxius@194.108.5.201 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1453800676 61352 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: You asked whether the microphone in a smartphone works underwater. < 1453800680 162817 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Re: blub. < 1453802387 134965 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1453803259 908627 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1453803262 727524 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sound travels underwater < 1453803263 870386 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so.... < 1453803275 690496 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not very good but it travels < 1453803317 944396 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :MInsky :( < 1453805141 206390 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 147 < 1453805143 190974 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :147) syntax is the least important part of a programming language other than Python < 1453805323 700502 :mauris_!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric < 1453805388 531452 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1453805510 534045 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1453805868 941300 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in < 1453806774 349137 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-bot: help < 1453806774 907281 :j-bot!~j-bot@li1285-84.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: |value error: help < 1453806784 668825 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-bot: 4 * 2^.5 < 1453806785 257190 :j-bot!~j-bot@li1285-84.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: 9.28771 < 1453806843 269264 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the character for j-bot? < 1453806851 598648 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :( 4 < 1453806851 909872 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-188-109-004-099.188.109.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :044 : 12Integer < 1453806863 680648 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, idris-bot < 1453806871 955444 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: what's the character for j-bot? < 1453806872 177772 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: the latter, usually only way for it to compile! < 1453806889 61783 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, fungot, but that's not quite what I meant < 1453806889 339997 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: a good first choice, but i don't use any linux at all. it is _much_ harder than trying to find < 1453806954 205146 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :( log 2 < 1453806954 467291 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-188-109-004-099.188.109.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :040.6931471805599453 : 12Double < 1453806968 883695 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :( 4 * log 5 / log 2 < 1453806969 207210 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-188-109-004-099.188.109.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :049.287712379549449 : 12Double < 1453807574 702799 :andrew!~andrew@14.154.167.146 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1453807620 910253 :andrew!~andrew@14.154.167.146 JOIN :#esoteric < 1453807807 695763 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1453808725 221258 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: [. < 1453808906 774508 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizziello. ]? < 1453809097 713949 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1453809308 116279 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellørjan. floating brackets. < 1453809385 955701 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloily. li(ke thi)s? < 1453809415 539957 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages- < 1453809416 33536 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman said 3h 14m 31s ago: what? < 1453809429 560897 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( somebody set us up the bomb! ) < 1453809458 221122 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like { < 1453809459 601046 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/ryna4c2e/sed-brainfuck https://github.com/svbatalov/bf.sed < 1453809461 19140 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this } < 1453809466 293540 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell mroman mroman said 3h 14m 31s ago: what? <-- blub. you no speak fish? < 1453809466 912350 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1453809498 204981 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabellora. are you svbatalov? < 1453809504 133747 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell mroman i've forgotten why i spoke fish, except that there was a good reason. try the logs. < 1453809504 568895 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1453809509 224962 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1453809516 465390 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :impressive work tho < 1453809520 717058 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :both of them < 1453809665 185825 :backendbeemo!beemo@l6.nf0.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1453809667 220904 :backendbeemo!beemo@l6.nf0.uk PART :#esoteric < 1453809831 211425 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :and now there's a sed process that's eating 100% of my cpu trying to sing 100 bottles of beer on the wall < 1453809912 405722 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :100% of cpus on the wall ♪ < 1453809957 586706 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1453810242 171566 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :it actually worked, took 7m12.5s but it worked < 1453810258 301355 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is impressed
< 1453810409 941870 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: SUBCOMPACT CHICKEN < 1453810425 359050 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :Go tromp et al.! | The international hub for magic gathering and deployment. | Effi's finest fluffy waffles | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D | https://esolangs.org/ | 100% of cpus on the wall ♪ < 1453810476 75162 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? boily < 1453810487 468128 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily is monetizing a broterhood scheme with the Guardian of Lachine, apparently involving cookie dealing. He's also a NaniDispenser, a Trigotillectomic Man Eating Chicken and a METARologist. He is seriously lacking in the f-word department. < 1453810499 892637 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :laggy < 1453810513 57615 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :crappy vm < 1453810649 163127 :backendbeemo!beemo@l6.nf0.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1453810650 261415 :backendbeemo!beemo@l6.nf0.uk PART :#esoteric < 1453810848 676183 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :my left arrow key is lagging too :( < 1453810922 450793 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or seemingly missing occasional presses < 1453811026 297434 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: The reason was a discussion on whether smartphone microphones work underwater hth < 1453811036 167591 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :For fish, not for lagging keys. < 1453811061 456028 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I told this to mroman as well.) < 1453811082 812719 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1453811453 897213 :andrew!~andrew@14.154.167.146 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1453811997 907392 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> iterate (1.63**) 1 < 1453812000 636992 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1.0,1.63,2.21751106303051,2.95480183600564,4.23615968785223,7.9224695022536... < 1453812304 987286 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this doesn't work and i have no idea what adu meant < 1453812563 808827 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell adu the weirdness of qubits is such that the answer to how many states they have is either (a) 2, like ordinary bits; or (b) that's meaningless, you cannot think of the global quantum state as separated into the individual qubits. < 1453812564 315535 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1453812804 93899 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: You're running on a Linux system, I don't think you can say you don't use any Linux at all. < 1453812804 351101 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yes tell me how to not care. i just wish someone could translate the ca 10 haskell lines to scheme for you. i spent too much time < 1453812815 204072 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Don't you get uppity with me. < 1453812815 423012 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: a fnord c-like language for making bot ai's for a game < 1453812847 496826 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: You *are* a bot AI for the game called IRC. < 1453812847 715779 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: didn't work too insanely well as you can get some food < 1453812970 807599 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell adu or put differently, there are only two _well_-defined states for a qubit to be in, all other states only make sense as states of the whole system of qubits. < 1453812971 236978 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1453813362 816349 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell \oren\ <\oren\> it's the unthinkable number closest to 1 <-- there is no such number. the impossible part isn't the "unthinkable", but the "closest to 1" hth < 1453813363 238081 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1453813436 571400 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION thinks the logs are disturbingly full of shoddy math today
< 1453813530 745717 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :would you waste time to optimize +++, to , ? < 1453813536 151076 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a brainfuck optimizer < 1453813553 136666 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell \oren\ proof: clearly 1 is not unthinkable. if x is unthinkable, then (1+x)/2 is also unthinkable, but closer to 1. thus no closest exists QED. < 1453813553 478274 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1453813565 544603 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :if EOF is 0 or -1 < 1453813614 204078 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :pro: obviously better con: only improves stupid programs < 1453813661 857106 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: note that "stupid" includes "auto-generated" < 1453813783 344078 :izabera1!~izabera@95.233.75.164 JOIN :#esoteric < 1453813794 250767 :izabera1!~izabera@95.233.75.164 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf my amazon server is offline < 1453813827 752121 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has a feeling the universe doesn't want him to spread his wisdom today.
< 1453813856 749559 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :blub! < 1453813860 368334 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@massages-load < 1453813860 718238 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan said 1h 13m 13s ago: mroman said 3h 14m 31s ago: what? <-- blub. you no speak fish? < 1453813860 937171 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan said 1h 12m 36s ago: i've forgotten why i spoke fish, except that there was a good reason. try the logs. < 1453813881 196939 :p34k!~p34k@nat-wh-wz4-12.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1453813891 124809 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :-.- online < 1453813906 655798 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> group $ iterate (1.63**) 1 < 1453813908 657067 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : [[1.0],[1.63],[2.21751106303051],[2.95480183600564],[4.23615968785223],[7.92... < 1453813933 905310 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> filter (\c -> (length c) >= 2) $ group $ iterate (1.63**) 1 < 1453813937 922608 :izabera1!~izabera@95.233.75.164 QUIT :Client Quit < 1453813938 920320 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: Time limit exceeded < 1453813941 82737 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1453813953 528670 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: i seriously doubt that converges, which is why i wondered wtf adu meant < 1453813963 309124 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but double has finite precision < 1453813969 648755 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I thought at some point it wouldn't change anymore < 1453813981 698421 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(because of precision limitation) < 1453813984 697964 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it would reach +INF < 1453813999 895375 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> filter (\c -> (length c) < 2) $ group $ iterate (0.63**) 1 < 1453814002 390117 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : [[1.0],[0.63],[0.7474541304505948],[0.7079722983415685],[0.7210056493825268]... < 1453814010 544637 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> filter (\c -> (length c) >= 2) $ group $ iterate (0.63**) 1 < 1453814014 620543 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: Time limit exceeded < 1453814017 409784 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> drop 10 $ iterate (1.63**) 1 < 1453814019 991793 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : [Infinity,Infinity,Infinity,Infinity,Infinity,Infinity,Infinity,Infinity,Inf... < 1453814034 112914 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> group $ drop 10 $ iterate (1.63**) 1 < 1453814036 184461 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : [[Infinity,Infinity,Infinity,Infinity,Infinity,Infinity,Infinity,Infinity,In... < 1453814039 341294 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the point is, it's not actually _converging_, it's growing faster < 1453814054 702205 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1453814055 100148 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1453814062 963993 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can't calc the length of that group of infinities < 1453814069 525940 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how large is a group of infinities? < 1453814075 150543 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :infinite hth < 1453814080 68467 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but... < 1453814089 29948 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it contains infinity infinitely many times < 1453814089 288037 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :PRETTY SURE < 1453814094 538370 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's SUPER INFINITE < 1453814101 10207 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> group $ replicate 3 (1/0) < 1453814105 194739 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : [[Infinity,Infinity,Infinity]] < 1453814116 308202 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh you already checked that < 1453814163 21553 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm... < 1453814210 917677 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it's lazy enough to give the infinities, but it would hang if you ever try to find the next group. < 1453814243 802838 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but grouping that contains a list of infinite infinity < 1453814247 104051 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so length hangs < 1453814276 652461 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: you know that m*m = m when m infinite cardinality is a theorem equivalent to the axiom of choice, right? < 1453814306 252185 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't matter < 1453814317 351724 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it means you cannot super infinite that way < 1453814320 976727 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the list is [1,2,3,Infinity,Infinity,Infinity,Infinity....] < 1453814325 793916 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you group it < 1453814328 715070 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(power sets work, of course) < 1453814334 453058 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have 3 elements of length 1 < 1453814337 989989 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and one element of length infinity < 1453814344 97282 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so map (length) on that grouped list would hang < 1453814355 716980 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep. as would length itself < 1453814360 640429 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly < 1453814365 193336 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why the length >= 2 doesn't work < 1453814373 374191 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should work with atLeastTwo < 1453814411 505708 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well then you get the problem that it hangs if you try to get the "next" group < 1453814420 609824 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let atLeastTwo (x:y:_) = True; atLeastTwo _ = False in filter atLeastTwo $ group $ iterate (0.63**) 1 < 1453814424 966742 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: Time limit exceeded < 1453814426 807599 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1453814432 533481 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least in my head this would've worked < 1453814444 336511 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let atLeastTwo (x:y:_) = True; atLeastTwo _ = False in head $ filter atLeastTwo $ group $ iterate (0.63**) 1 < 1453814448 377589 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: Time limit exceeded < 1453814461 71048 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't work because it doesn't know that there is no more groups after the infinite one < 1453814470 214147 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm < 1453814477 911931 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :_that_ should have worked. < 1453814487 502991 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION confused now.
< 1453814490 510107 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let atLeastTwo (x:y:_) = True; atLeastTwo _ = False in head . head $ filter atLeastTwo $ group $ iterate (0.63**) 1 < 1453814493 525155 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this' should give Infinity < 1453814494 475902 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: Time limit exceeded < 1453814506 647800 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@type let atLeastTwo (x:y:_) = True; atLeastTwo _ = False in head . head $ filter atLeastTwo $ group $ iterate (0.63**) 1 < 1453814508 801217 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Eq c, Floating c) => c < 1453814524 632461 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :y u not working like u should man < 1453814535 379772 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1453814536 399345 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :atLeastTwo shouldn't hang < 1453814550 126968 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1453814559 892470 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it should never look at more than the first < 1453814563 469598 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1453814594 773575 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're using 0.63 instead of 1.63 < 1453814621 458648 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> drop 10 $ group $ iterate (0.63**) 1 < 1453814624 555052 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : [[0.7177586391896805],[0.7177528833823562],[0.7177547921676407],[0.717754159... < 1453814633 763840 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> drop 50 $ group $ iterate (0.63**) 1 < 1453814636 386461 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : [[0.7177543168046071],[0.717754316804607],[0.7177543168046071],[0.7177543168... < 1453814663 904278 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :thought so. that theoretically converges, but in double it gives a periodic loop. < 1453814740 222365 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, did adu just write 1 instead of 0 < 1453814777 996140 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> drop 50 $ group $ iterate (0.64**) 1 < 1453814781 302144 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : [[0.7239190318772367],[0.7239190318772366],[0.7239190318772367],[0.723919031... < 1453814801 553770 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :still looks pretty converging < 1453814864 962366 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: ok your problem was that with 0.63 it converges, but _not_ in Double. < 1453815268 618793 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Floating points strike again. < 1453815583 502557 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :du du duuun < 1453815721 319968 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Sbneelu 5* 10New user account < 1453815838 981942 :impomatic_!~digital_w@79.16.114.87.dyn.plus.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1453817339 630110 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1453817356 702154 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect in the real numbers it would converge too, although I have no proof < 1453817373 781479 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :There probably is some way to prove it < 1453817380 506096 :impomatic_!~digital_w@79.16.114.87.dyn.plus.net PART :#esoteric < 1453817440 542261 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :there probably is some way to prove that there's some way to prove it < 1453817512 36480 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :very few things will converge in Double < 1453817519 641905 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(besides constant sequences, of course) < 1453817537 951576 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let f (x:y:_) | x == y = x; f (_:y) = f y in f $ iterate (0.66**) 1 < 1453817540 316576 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0.7363978892794596 < 1453817546 46841 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the nature of denormals means that you can't get most numbers closer than denormals are to 0 < 1453817639 626343 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what magic is happening with that guard < 1453817669 647653 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1453817672 550006 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nevermind < 1453817802 592848 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, took me a moment too < 1453817918 838872 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what? < 1453817934 39293 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@type let atLeastTwo (x:y:_) = True; atLeastTwo _ = False in head . head $ filter atLeastTwo $ group $ iterate (1.63**) 1 < 1453817935 756816 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Eq c, Floating c) => c < 1453817937 748238 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let atLeastTwo (x:y:_) = True; atLeastTwo _ = False in head . head $ filter atLeastTwo $ group $ iterate (1.63**) 1 < 1453817940 159915 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Infinity < 1453817951 345648 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh I see :D < 1453817960 368649 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: iterate (0.63**) ends up fluctuating between two close Doubles. < 1453817960 587488 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let f (x:y:_) | x == y = repeat "conv"; f (x:y:z:_) | x == z = repeat "p2"; f (_:y) = f y in ((!! 100) . f . (\x -> iterate (x**) 1)) <$> [0.60, 0.61, 0.62, 0.63, 0.64, 0.65, 0.66, 0.67, 0.68, 0.69, 0.70] < 1453817963 78388 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : ["conv","p2","conv","p2","p2","conv","conv","conv","p2","conv","conv"] < 1453818002 394769 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wolfram Alpha says that for z = k^z the solution is z = Wn(-log(k))/log(k) < 1453818038 678978 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm... < 1453818046 905928 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where Wn is some weird function < 1453818076 134150 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> log 0.63 * 0.63**0.717754316804607 < 1453818078 516242 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : -0.33162794564223064 < 1453818130 158251 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: see how the derivative is smaller than 1 in absolute value. that means it will shrink the interval around the fixpoint (now just prove there is a fixpoint) < 1453818177 363625 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Can you show it diverges for k > 1? < 1453818187 706005 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(actually, prove there's some interval mapped into itself, where the derivative is || < 1) < 1453818195 730234 :spiette!~spiette@206.167.243.2 JOIN :#esoteric < 1453819205 680648 :Treio!~Treio@87.244.233.250 JOIN :#esoteric < 1453819731 343849 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :are independence theorems necessarily provable < 1453819747 150979 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :if S is a sentence, I is "S is independent", and I' is "I is independent" < 1453819760 839568 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: if they're theorems, they are provable hth < 1453819764 551093 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :then if I' is true, S cannot be provably true, and cannot be provably false, so I is true, contradiction < 1453819769 805335 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: w < 1453819780 388771 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :therefore I' is false < 1453819991 98300 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: "I is true" does not imply "I is not independent" hth < 1453820037 703857 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm wait < 1453820201 635437 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1453820239 499030 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if S is not provably true, not provably false, then I is true, but not necessarily provable, so I' can still be true. < 1453820251 351930 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*nor < 1453820371 387099 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does "independent" mean here? that neither assuming it nor assuming its negation leads to a contradiction? < 1453820413 548123 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably. < 1453820501 822564 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: there are various different formalizations of provability, in some of them but not all you have a result of the form "if 'X is provable' is provable, then X is provable", and in some of them but not all you have the converse < 1453820581 747431 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, in some of them you can prove those statements inside the logic, and in others they're true but you can't prove them inside the logic < 1453821696 282821 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hmm right < 1453821705 487124 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would take a *proof* of I' to lead to a contradiction < 1453821706 278679 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :R.I.P. Marvin Minsky | The international hub for magic gathering and deployment. | Effi's finest fluffy waffles | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D | https://esolangs.org/ | 100% of cpus on the wall ♪ < 1453822829 47922 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: this was my reasoning about P=NP < 1453822836 51145 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :was wondering if it might actually be undecidable < 1453822842 541856 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I concluded that if it were undecidable, there would be no way to prove that < 1453823084 811923 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think there are subtleties there < 1453823588 235729 :MDream!~fyrc@pa-67-235-1-122.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Undecidably undecidable? < 1453823607 949472 :MDream!~fyrc@pa-67-235-1-122.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDude < 1453823628 512692 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDream: it could well be decidably decidable < 1453823636 288392 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-1-122.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see how it couldn't be provably undecidable. < 1453823664 45477 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-1-122.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since if it proven undecidable, you'd know you'd never get prove that would make it decidable. < 1453823686 538832 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-1-122.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And any algorithm that allows P to equal NP would be decisive. < 1453823712 14156 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric : It could even be undecidably decidable < 1453823729 183650 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-1-122.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmm. < 1453823939 74630 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Later < 1453824511 724734 :AlexR42!~textual@145.255.21.165 JOIN :#esoteric < 1453825071 404045 :llue!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu QUIT :Quit: That's what she said < 1453825082 169073 :lleu!~gnomebad@cpc15-croy20-2-0-cust489.croy.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1453825082 388090 :lleu!~gnomebad@cpc15-croy20-2-0-cust489.croy.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Changing host < 1453825082 388165 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu JOIN :#esoteric < 1453825191 806919 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.154 QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1453825364 307177 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-hhmkabqasigrqzyh QUIT :Excess Flood < 1453825446 354092 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-qzjcnelwjlfuxusa JOIN :#esoteric < 1453825516 203838 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Drgftj 5* 10New user account < 1453825595 753790 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[071-844-655-0455 Norotn 360 antivirus phone number USA14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=46290 5* 03Drgftj 5* (+24666) 10Created page with "Norton@Help 1-844-655-0455 Norton antivirus technical support number USA norton tech support phone number USA norton 360 support phone number norton 844 phone number USA Norto..." < 1453827090 926282 :bender|!benderpc@2404:e800:e61a:41d:f90b:ac04:9b43:1dda QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1453827113 227923 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no you don't < 1453827131 280698 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Ais523 5* 10deleted "[[021-844-655-0455 Norotn 360 antivirus phone number USA10]]": spambot targeting multiple wikis < 1453827160 250400 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/block14]]4 block10 02 5* 03Ais523 5* 10blocked [[02User:Drgftj10]] with an expiry time of 2 decades, 4 years, 4 hours, 19 minutes and 12 seconds (account creation disabled): spambot targeting multiple wikis < 1453828563 838235 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a very specific expiry timke < 1453829303 550341 :trn!jhj@trnsz.com QUIT :Quit: quit < 1453829375 252459 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I just entered "24 years", I think the date parser got a bit confused < 1453829387 642088 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :either that or mediawiki is using floating-point dates to get around the Y2038 issue < 1453829408 348041 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(2038 - 24 = 2014; the Y2038 issue was genuinely starting to cause problems a couple of years ago) < 1453829507 368147 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: heh, there's apparently an infinite loop where nobody gets priority < 1453829521 993655 :staffehn_!~quassel@2001:41d0:52:d00::1d3 JOIN :#esoteric < 1453829554 749352 :staffehn!~quassel@2001:41d0:52:d00::1d3 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1453830363 815423 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-93.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1453830517 406015 :trn!jhj@trnsz.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1453830881 171575 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1453831882 613028 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1453832439 603297 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-93.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1453832523 575708 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking maybe the date was rounded to a day boundary, since it's 24 years + some hours, but the exact time doesn't really seem to match. < 1453832807 904104 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-93.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1453832830 398996 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :18:26 ,cc float f = 2208988800.0f; float g = nextafterf(f, HUGE_VALF); printf("%.0f seconds", g - f); < 1453832833 399264 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :18:26 fizzie: 256 seconds < 1453832876 505060 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :OTOH, the gap between successive (even single-precision) floats for unixtime around 2040 doesn't seem like 4 hours either. < 1453834356 602553 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Timezones? < 1453834408 464918 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what sort of company Norotn is < 1453834424 579783 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is a Norotn 360 like an Xbox 360? < 1453834824 471473 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-93.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1453834869 410140 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-93.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1453835111 923941 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-93.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just noticed the topic :( < 1453835901 79349 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: Yeah ): < 1453835907 188645 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :He had his body cryopreserved though < 1453836170 322835 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-93.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: Really? < 1453836174 538694 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-93.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's awesome xD < 1453838238 518141 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Quick420 5* 10New user account < 1453838478 518872 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[071-888-753-3415Quicken tech Support Number1-888-753-3415 Quicken tech Support Phone Number14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=46291 5* 03Quick420 5* (+2062) 10Created page with "1-888-753-3415Quicken tech Support Number1-888-753-3415 Quicken tech Support Phone Number 1-888-753-3415Quicken tech Support Phone Number1-888-753-3415 Quicken tech Support N..." < 1453838732 879342 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[071-888-753-3415Quicken tech Support Phone Number1-888-753-3415 Quicken tech Support Number14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=46292 5* 03Quick420 5* (+2062) 10Created page with "1-888-753-3415Quicken tech Support Number1-888-753-3415 Quicken tech Support Phone Number 1-888-753-3415Quicken tech Support Phone Number1-888-753-3415 Quicken tech Support N..." < 1453838823 809936 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh no < 1453838839 567883 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-93.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: Spambot? < 1453838842 650576 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1453838846 106093 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-93.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dammit xD < 1453838855 867018 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais banned one earlier, but it seems this one is getting through now < 1453838859 335598 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-93.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was hoping it was just an extremely long-named esolang < 1453838886 699079 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :The username is Quick420.. Do they smoke weed? < 1453839011 112526 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[071-888-753-3415Quicken technical Support Number1-888-753-3415 Quicken technical Support Phone Number14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=46293 5* 03Quick420 5* (+2062) 10Created page with "1-888-753-3415Quicken tech Support Number1-888-753-3415 Quicken tech Support Phone Number 1-888-753-3415Quicken tech Support Phone Number1-888-753-3415 Quicken tech Support N... < 1453839021 455831 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-93.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugh < 1453839025 293959 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-93.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is going to become a problem < 1453839026 177119 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-93.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :IDAE < 1453839035 449191 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-93.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*IDEA < 1453839041 14798 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-93.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why don't we adapt the pages to be an esolang? < 1453839231 499238 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-1-122.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, code that gets read directly from a wiki? < 1453839272 837413 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-1-122.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a language that uses wiki code itself as a programming language. < 1453839348 392172 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-1-122.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Wiki_Cyclic_Tag < 1453839422 378271 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-93.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Uniquode. That looks like the languages I make xD < 1453839524 475595 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-1-122.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The output could be made to include a link to the next step in the code. < 1453839548 197965 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Zc 1-888-753-3415Quicken tech Support Number1-888-753-3415 Quicken tech Support Phone Number14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=46294 5* 03Quick420 5* (+2062) 10Created page with "1-888-753-3415Quicken tech Support Number1-888-753-3415 Quicken tech Support Phone Number 1-888-753-3415Quicken tech Support Phone Number1-888-753-3415 Quicken tech Support N..." < 1453839577 149110 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-1-122.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then a wikibot could be made that creates the page for that step and used the previous step's output as its contents. < 1453839580 460662 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-1-122.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*and uses < 1453839765 859713 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07ZX 1-888-753-3415Quicken tech Support Phone Number1-888-753-3415 Quicken tech Support Number14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=46295 5* 03Quick420 5* (+2062) 10Created page with "1-888-753-3415Quicken tech Support Number1-888-753-3415 Quicken tech Support Phone Number 1-888-753-3415Quicken tech Support Phone Number1-888-753-3415 Quicken tech Support N..." < 1453839772 35313 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-93.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh my god < 1453839774 898341 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-93.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somebody ban it < 1453839784 778423 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-93.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And DDoS the IP of origin < 1453839908 855153 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-93.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even if it's an innocent bystander's computer that got hijacked < 1453839927 393162 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Quick42014]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=46296 5* 03151.226.165.25 5* (+7) 10Created page with "Spambot" < 1453840056 27112 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I probably shouldn't have done that but eh < 1453840080 194091 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: I don't know who here has admin priviledges on the wiki < 1453840085 387157 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's find out < 1453840101 537500 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-93.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: I think you should've < 1453840126 393841 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should have filled that userpage with swearwords < 1453840186 857740 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Quick191 5* 10New user account < 1453840198 92078 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-93.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh nooooooo < 1453840260 959682 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-93.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The split operator < 1453840274 462578 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-93.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pop a, pop b, push b/a a times < 1453840343 182324 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-93.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :so (3 5 % -- 0.6 0.6 0.6 0.6 0.6) < 1453840426 287621 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07(1.888.451.1608) Quickbooks pro Technical Support numberQuickbooks Help Desk Phone number!!14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=46297 5* 03Quick420 5* (+9520) 10Created page with " (1.888.451.1608) Quickbooks pro Technical Support numberQuickbooks Help Desk Phone number!! Call....1 888 451 1608 Quickbooks tech support phone number, Quickbooks customer s..." < 1453840456 872189 :Reece!~Reece@cpc4-wiga13-2-0-cust799.18-3.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1453840522 348567 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugh spambots < 1453840616 331344 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-93.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1453840665 518874 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Quickbooks pro tech support number (1-888-451-1608) Quickbooks technical support phone number usa Call14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=46298 5* 03Quick420 5* (+9525) 10Created page with "Quickbooks pro tech support number (1-888-451-1608) Quickbooks technical support phone number usa Call....1 888 451 1608 Quickbooks tech support phone number, Quickbooks custo < 1453840692 112511 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07HTC+++)(1-888-451-1608) + Quickbooks tech support Phone Number..+ Quickbooks tech support phone number14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=46299 5* 03Quick420 5* (+49994) 10Created page with "HTC+++)(1-888-451-1608) + Quickbooks tech support Phone Number..+ Quickbooks tech support phone number USA + Quickbooks 1 888 451 1608 + Quickbooks customer support phone n < 1453840793 207905 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ut-oh. < 1453840802 87479 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07DC 1-888-451-1608Quicken tech Support Number1-888-451-1608 Quicken tech Support Phone Number14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=46300 5* 03Quick420 5* (+30035) 10Created page with "QuickBooks Toll Free, Intuit@(1-888-451-1068)@ QuickBooks Tech Support Phone Number provides online solution for all USA/CANADA clients. For any help of query call 1 888-451-1..." < 1453840805 31134 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Time to update the captcha. < 1453840818 459779 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll see if I can manage the blocking thing. < 1453840878 898259 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07(1-888-451-1608) Quickbooks technical support phone number usa,,...Quickbooks help Desk Phone Number14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=46301 5* 03Quick420 5* (+8645) 10Created page with "(1-888-451-1608) Quickbooks technical support phone number usa,,...Quickbooks help Desk Phone Number QuickBooks Toll Free, Intuit@(1-888-451-1608)@ QuickBooks Tech Support Pho.. < 1453840887 390516 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Kumarsujit899 5* 10New user account < 1453840887 638277 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/block14]]4 block10 02 5* 03Fizzie 5* 10blocked [[02User:Quick42010]] with an expiry time of 2 decades, 4 years, 4 hours, 19 minutes and 12 seconds (account creation disabled, email disabled, cannot edit own talk page): Spamming links to external sites < 1453840973 704611 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07((1 888 451 1608))CAS@Quickbooks tech Support Number14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=46302 5* 03Kumarsujit899 5* (+1060) 10Created page with "Quickbooks tech Support Number 1 888 451 1608 Quickbooks technical Support Phone Number 1 888 451 1608 Quickbooks technical Support Number 1 888 451 1608 Quickbooks tech..." < 1453840988 738893 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_< < 1453840996 573462 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/block14]]4 block10 02 5* 03Fizzie 5* 10blocked [[02User:Kumarsujit89910]] with an expiry time of 2 decades, 4 years, 4 hours, 19 minutes and 12 seconds (account creation disabled, email disabled, cannot edit own talk page): Spamming links to external sites < 1453841008 690481 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trying to set a new CAPTCHA at the moment, let's see if that works. < 1453841066 217439 :Reece!~Reece@cpc4-wiga13-2-0-cust799.18-3.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1453841067 301131 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03USA Helpline ((1.800.860.9230 )) QuickBooks helpline phone number (((QuickBooks Pro support number 5* 10New user account < 1453841087 811069 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently not. Unless my change didn't take effect soon enough. < 1453841117 955507 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Brotherp 5* 10New user account < 1453841142 465102 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Sanramon92222 5* 10New user account < 1453841143 795741 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, I put in an impossible CAPTCHA for a moment, just to see if they're somehow bypassing it completely. < 1453841146 974713 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which seems to be the case. < 1453841160 42862 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Helpline ((1.800.860.9230 )) QuickBooks helpline phone number (((QuickBooks Pro support number14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=46303 5* 03USA Helpline ((1.800.860.9230 )) QuickBooks helpline phone number (((QuickBooks Pro support number 5* (+43605) 10Created page with "Quickbooks tech Support Number 1 800 860 9230 Quickbooks technical Support Phone Number < 1453841205 227241 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Solutions++++---1-800-728-7356++Quickbooks pro technical support number Quickbooks customer care number14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=46304 5* 03Brotherp 5* (+11295) 10Created page with "Solutions++++---1-800-728-7356++Quickbooks technical support number Quickbooks customer care number Quickbooks customer service phone number Calling Helpline USA 1 800 728 7 < 1453841234 974066 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/block14]]4 block10 02 5* 03Fizzie 5* 10blocked [[02User:USA Helpline ((1.800.860.9230 )) QuickBooks helpline phone number (((QuickBooks Pro support number10]] with an expiry time of 2 decades, 4 years, 4 hours, 19 minutes and 12 seconds (account creation disabled, email disabled, cannot edit own talk page): Spamming links to external sites < 1453841253 120358 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/block14]]4 block10 02 5* 03Fizzie 5* 10blocked [[02User:Brotherp10]] with an expiry time of 2 decades, 4 years, 4 hours, 19 minutes and 12 seconds (account creation disabled, email disabled, cannot edit own talk page): Spamming links to external sites < 1453841267 437509 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move10 02 5* 03Sanramon92222 5* 10moved [[02HTC+++)(1-888-451-1608) + Quickbooks tech support Phone Number..+ Quickbooks tech support phone number10]] to [[Talk:HTC+++)(1-888-451-1608) + Quickbooks tech support Phone Number..+ Quickbooks tech support phone number]] < 1453841285 680408 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :What was *that*? < 1453841315 381404 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:HTC+++)(1-888-451-1608) + Quickbooks tech support Phone Number..+ Quickbooks tech support phone number14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46307&oldid=46305 5* 03Sanramon92222 5* (+22654) 10 < 1453841321 508907 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bcfrbqergetcktkj QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1453841337 496616 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move10 02 5* 03Sanramon92222 5* 10moved [[02Talk:HTC+++)(1-888-451-1608) + Quickbooks tech support Phone Number..+ Quickbooks tech support phone number10]] to [[Talk:HTC+++..)(1-800-919-0992) + Quickbooks tech support Phone Number..+ Quickbooks tech support phone number]] < 1453841356 733284 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://esolangs.org/wiki/The_Amnesiac_From_Minsk Rip Minski < 1453841435 173892 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/block14]]4 block10 02 5* 03Fizzie 5* 10blocked [[02User:Sanramon9222210]] with an expiry time of 2 decades, 4 years, 4 hours, 19 minutes and 12 seconds (account creation disabled, email disabled, cannot edit own talk page): Some page moves I don't understand at all < 1453841822 12014 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Fizzie 5* 10deleted "[[021-888-753-3415Quicken tech Support Number1-888-753-3415 Quicken tech Support Phone Number10]]": Spam < 1453841839 945748 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There will be a bunch of spam-page deletions now. I hope this is the right way to do them. < 1453841859 92599 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Fizzie 5* 10deleted "[[021-888-753-3415Quicken tech Support Phone Number1-888-753-3415 Quicken tech Support Number10]]": Spam < 1453841872 465896 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Fizzie 5* 10deleted "[[021-888-753-3415Quicken technical Support Number1-888-753-3415 Quicken technical Support Phone Number10]]": Spam < 1453841887 219189 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Fizzie 5* 10deleted "[[02Zc 1-888-753-3415Quicken tech Support Number1-888-753-3415 Quicken tech Support Phone Number10]]": Spam < 1453841904 321898 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Fizzie 5* 10deleted "[[02ZX 1-888-753-3415Quicken tech Support Phone Number1-888-753-3415 Quicken tech Support Number10]]": Spam < 1453841933 264571 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Fizzie 5* 10deleted "[[02(1.888.451.1608) Quickbooks pro Technical Support numberQuickbooks Help Desk Phone number!!10]]": Spam < 1453841945 247812 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Fizzie 5* 10deleted "[[02Quickbooks pro tech support number (1-888-451-1608) Quickbooks technical support phone number usa Call10]]": Spam < 1453841959 86583 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Fizzie 5* 10deleted "[[02HTC+++)(1-888-451-1608) + Quickbooks tech support Phone Number..+ Quickbooks tech support phone number10]]": Spam < 1453841969 19665 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Fizzie 5* 10deleted "[[02DC 1-888-451-1608Quicken tech Support Number1-888-451-1608 Quicken tech Support Phone Number10]]": Spam < 1453841980 759965 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Fizzie 5* 10deleted "[[02(1-888-451-1608) Quickbooks technical support phone number usa,,...Quickbooks help Desk Phone Number10]]": Spam < 1453841991 164282 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Fizzie 5* 10deleted "[[02((1 888 451 1608))CAS@Quickbooks tech Support Number10]]": Spam < 1453842003 759078 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Fizzie 5* 10deleted "[[02Helpline ((1.800.860.9230 )) QuickBooks helpline phone number (((QuickBooks Pro support number10]]": Spam < 1453842017 483565 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Fizzie 5* 10deleted "[[02Solutions++++---1-800-728-7356++Quickbooks pro technical support number Quickbooks customer care number10]]": Spam < 1453842033 175113 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Fizzie 5* 10deleted "[[02Talk:HTC+++)(1-888-451-1608) + Quickbooks tech support Phone Number..+ Quickbooks tech support phone number10]]": Spam < 1453842132 820634 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's also one account ("Quick191") that got created but not blocked, because it didn't spam any. Wonder what's up with that. < 1453842198 27546 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, seems that the account creation stopped, so maybe the CAPTCHA is actually working, and it just takes a moment to update -- not sure how it works in practice. < 1453842377 754368 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :B-) < 1453842492 499357 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Based on the access.log of the web server (which has grown to 200 megs), they're still knocking. < 1453842559 960131 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lots of hits to Special:UserLogin&type=signup etc. < 1453842606 214963 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:HTC+++..)(1-800-919-0992) + Quickbooks tech support Phone Number..+ Quickbooks tech support phone number14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46310&oldid=46308 5* 03Quick191 5* (-62530) 10 < 1453842606 487166 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :All of this is from a single IP address in India. < 1453842617 411049 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, there's the Quick191 I noticed. < 1453842635 339175 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/block14]]4 block10 02 5* 03Fizzie 5* 10blocked [[02User:Quick19110]] with an expiry time of 2 decades, 4 years, 4 hours, 19 minutes and 12 seconds (account creation disabled, email disabled, cannot edit own talk page): Spamming links to external sites < 1453842678 634993 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Fizzie 5* 10deleted "[[02Talk:HTC+++..)(1-800-919-0992) + Quickbooks tech support Phone Number..+ Quickbooks tech support phone number10]]": Spam < 1453842684 283022 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think technically it was spamming phone numbers, not links :p < 1453842695 868320 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but that wasn't on the dropdown of common block reasons. :p < 1453842704 640619 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aa < 1453842707 443140 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aha* < 1453842738 898867 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, that's funny. < 1453842746 547385 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're following the link in the CAPTCHA question. < 1453842761 38467 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if it's a program that tries all words on that page as the CAPTCHA answer. < 1453842776 124662 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I picked one where you need to turn a plural English word into a singular one for the current question.) < 1453842845 56353 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :That doesn't really sound all that great.. wouldn't it be pretty easy to do a dictionary attack for that? < 1453842866 936285 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, but I don't think they're doing dictionary attacks. < 1453842890 78754 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It used to be a year number directly on the linked-to page. < 1453842897 43639 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1453843029 694470 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also blocked some individual IPs completely, firewall-wise. The drop rules keep steadily getting more packets, so they're still trying to connect. < 1453843064 298311 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a number of addresses, though. Presumably infected zombies. < 1453843181 327240 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wonder if there's a log on the invalid CAPTCHA answers somewhere. It's not in the server access log, because it's a POST request. < 1453843182 935400 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wee, 15 days uptime and only a CPU stall, no read errors so far... could it be possible that CoC actually maintains their hardware? < 1453843222 551457 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I doubt it, but it's an interesting line of speculation nonetheless) < 1453843428 603761 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :err s/CoC/CaC/ < 1453843620 861288 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Lindaseeds 5* 10New user account < 1453843669 790800 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :plausible user name... where's the spam... < 1453843795 28252 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07C-Wing(1-855-935-7526) Quickbooks technical support phone number14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=46311 5* 03Lindaseeds 5* (+22769) 10C-Wing(1-855-935-7526) Quickbooks technical support phone number < 1453843813 632069 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There. < 1453843861 793236 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/block14]]4 block10 02 5* 03Fizzie 5* 10blocked [[02User:Lindaseeds10]] with an expiry time of 2 decades, 4 years, 4 hours, 19 minutes and 12 seconds (account creation disabled, email disabled, cannot edit own talk page): Spam spam spam < 1453843882 803512 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Fizzie 5* 10deleted "[[02C-Wing(1-855-935-7526) Quickbooks technical support phone number10]]": Spam < 1453843895 256762 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I impossibilated the CAPTCHA again for now; trying to have dinner here. < 1453843903 425428 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Will have to think about this. < 1453844118 306711 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry to be right < 1453844584 883918 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll try it out by making an account < 1453844602 669842 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You shouldn't be able to solve it. < 1453844613 804281 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, currently the answer is a random string. < 1453844653 738703 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1453844729 176357 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that's not very helpful for actual new users, so it's not really a long-term solution. < 1453844771 712241 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sadly, there seems to be no logging in QuestyCaptcha. I could've looked and tried to guesstimate whether they're doing it programmatically or humanistically. It's perfectly plausible they're just having humans solve these. < 1453844809 30366 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should perhaps change the question(s?, but I've seen only one) so that it indicates the impossibility to solve... < 1453844816 679414 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1453844877 684485 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could have probably disabled registration the normal way < 1453844913 364773 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but this was easiest. Google suggested $wgGroupPermissions['*']['createaccount'] = false; but I'm not sure what sort of error messages that would give. < 1453844923 484562 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, put a note in the question. < 1453845150 112468 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought about having a dynamically generated piece of brainfuck the user would have to run (with a link to one of the JS brainfuck things), which would at least mean you couldn't just solve it once and put the answers in a program, but that doesn't really help if they're having humans solve them on the fly. < 1453845202 995433 :luis88!~cisiamo@net-93-70-210-230.cust.vodafonedsl.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1453845251 412505 :luis88!~cisiamo@net-93-70-210-230.cust.vodafonedsl.it QUIT : < 1453845283 707393 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The fact that they keep trying to submit the new user creation form all the time might indicate it's at least not completely manual. < 1453845315 211147 :luis88!~cisiamo@net-93-70-210-230.cust.vodafonedsl.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1453845377 788488 :luis88!~cisiamo@net-93-70-210-230.cust.vodafonedsl.it QUIT :Client Quit < 1453846044 428306 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :It helps a bit in that if the users have no idea what they're doing they might not understand to run a piece of brainfuck in a JS interpreter < 1453846059 772024 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :or might help a bit, rather < 1453846129 399407 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :new small optimizations: http://mazonka.com/brainf/hi123 input https://arin.ga/fPoLYu/raw output < 1453846201 736519 :AlexR42!~textual@145.255.21.165 QUIT :Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1453846248 91634 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :# systemctl < 1453846248 310455 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Failed to get D-Bus connection: Unknown error -1 < 1453846252 164442 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not nice either. < 1453846265 819964 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :too informative < 1453846295 913313 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :sigh, systemd... < 1453846446 244079 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, hmm. Maybe the current init is not systemd. That thing got kind of accidentally dist-upgraded recently. < 1453846569 748649 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: You can check if any systemd processes are running < 1453846583 279285 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently not. < 1453846592 208717 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe that's reasonable then. < 1453846598 400579 :peak!~p34k@nat-wh-wz4-12.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1453846598 619516 :peak!~p34k@nat-wh-wz4-12.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de QUIT :Client Quit < 1453846618 54459 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, that's still an unforgivably awful error message < 1453846823 769856 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In other news, they're still sporadically trying to create new users, if I'm reading the log right. < 1453846865 697745 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-87.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1453847893 190865 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Fizzie14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46312&oldid=46093 5* 0382.68.182.45 5* (+46) 10CAPTCHA test. < 1453847897 459454 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay. < 1453847906 511768 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a very simple brainfuck-driven CAPTCHA now. < 1453847921 188211 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't yet link to a canonical web-based interpreter, but at least it's not impossible to solve. < 1453847970 520470 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it didn't escape the <>s, my browser was just kind enough. I'll need to fix that. < 1453848047 364210 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's better. < 1453848076 111422 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'll be a bit interesting to see how long it takes for them to figure it out < 1453848101 788867 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's just 25.359 or so bits of randomness in it, but I think that should prevent random guessing. < 1453848164 383226 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> chr 100 < 1453848167 485270 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 'd' < 1453848170 644313 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It computes 10*10 ('d'), and then does 16 times a . instruction, randomly prefixed by either '+', '-' or nothing. Slightly limited so that it's always from 'a' to 'z'. < 1453848235 947602 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Line-wrapping on the account creation page is pretty nasty, but... < 1453848238 527425 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds sane < 1453848282 161306 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn, now how does one check whether there is a dictionary word of that kind... with standard unix tools < 1453848287 360210 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and a word list) < 1453848310 18472 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. I'd go with a perl oneliner. < 1453848329 723331 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think there is, though. I mean, not one that's exactly 16 characters. < 1453848369 140574 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's shorter words for sure. "deed" comes to mind. < 1453848406 873345 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe something very farfetched. < 1453848453 727366 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :E.g. "defeeded", when you remove a RSS feed from your feed browser. < 1453848565 851166 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Mackhill1988 5* 10New user account < 1453848571 616503 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1453848602 119329 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm very disappointed when that turns out to be spam. < 1453848615 680213 :Treio!~Treio@87.244.233.250 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1453848626 818757 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Contact US......1 800 797 6023 QuickBooks technical support Phone Number and QuickBooks pro customer support Phone Number14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=46313 5* 03Mackhill1988 5* (+37075) 10Contact US......1 800 797 6023 QuickBooks technical support Phone Number and QuickBooks pro customer support Phone Number < 1453848642 863200 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm very disappointed now. < 1453848695 215399 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/block14]]4 block10 02 5* 03Fizzie 5* 10blocked [[02User:Mackhill198810]] with an expiry time of 2 decades, 4 years, 4 hours, 19 minutes and 12 seconds (account creation disabled, email disabled, cannot edit own talk page): Spam spam spam < 1453848711 3449 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Fizzie 5* 10deleted "[[02Contact US......1 800 797 6023 QuickBooks technical support Phone Number and QuickBooks pro customer support Phone Number10]]": Spam < 1453848779 406500 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're not incompetent apparently < 1453848791 165502 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might even go as far as to say they're either having actual humans do this, or there's some sort of circumvention thing (but then why would the keyboard-mashing question block them). < 1453848820 734025 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going with humans at this rate < 1453848828 898988 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :What can you do about that.. < 1453848844 175209 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... a bit silly: grep '^[A-Za-z]*$' /usr/share/dict/words | tr A-Z a-z | grep -Ev 'a[c-z]|b[d-z]|c[ae-z]|d[abf-z]|e[a-cg-z]|f[a-dh-z]|g[a-ei-z]|h[a-fj-z]|i[a-gk-z]|j[a-hl-z]|k[a-im-z]|l[a-jn-z]|m[a-ko-z]|n[a-lp-z]|o[a-mq-z]|p[a-nr-z]|q[a-os-z]|r[a-pt-z]|s[a-qu-z]|t[a-rv-z]|u[a-sw-z]|v[a-tx-z]|w[a-uyz]|x[a-vz]|y[a-w]|z[a-x]' < 1453848902 870062 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"deeded" is the longest result here... not much of a word. < 1453848959 332357 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah damn, that didn't take very long < 1453849005 740068 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-87.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I'm sorry you're disappointed < 1453849052 34969 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, if they're using humans to solve them, captchas aren't be of much help... < 1453849145 753185 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-87.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Perhaps we should track down the IP and send a Cease and Desist < 1453849155 54763 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The more interesting question is how they get people to do this... some sort of puzzle page that relays captchas, perhaps? With highscores and everything :P) < 1453849190 204481 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-87.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: We could block registration for a few days be using a captcha that requires knowledge of programming < 1453849346 313809 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about, to register, you have to craft an esoteric language first? < 1453849402 42607 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is not registered yet
< 1453849406 775724 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION isn't either
< 1453849425 831521 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is registered despite not having created any esolangs...
< 1453849441 677780 :p34k!~p34k@nat-wh-wz4-12.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de QUIT : < 1453849450 347706 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Well, it'd be good motivation < 1453849465 249024 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about a programming language where the interpreter takes a brownian walk through the code? < 1453849549 618171 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-87.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1453849578 956053 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :we'd probably just add to the pile of brainfuck derivatives... < 1453849620 529440 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't necessarily have to be brainfuck-like at all though < 1453849643 930308 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't have to be turing-complete either < 1453849667 367290 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, even finite automata can be interesting... < 1453849743 191054 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Take an infinite automaton bone, put it in a pot, add some infinitely-sized integers, and you've got yourself a minsky stew going < 1453849757 873036 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :finite automaton bone* < 1453849771 996956 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm thinking of Malbolge, which is a finite automaton with something like 59049^59050 states) < 1453849838 487591 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm tempted to implement this language now < 1453850087 160376 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should just ask potential new users to email me (er, well, some role account at esolangs.org). It's kind of sucky to require an email like that, but on the other hand so's having a bunch of spambots. < 1453850242 695401 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if the spambot owners email you too? < 1453850313 745092 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :who benefits from spamming on esolangs.org? < 1453850337 346268 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's free advertisement. < 1453850425 478898 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :It gets indexed by google < 1453850444 659140 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's special about 2 decades, 4 years, 4 hours, 19 minutes and 12 seconds? < 1453850446 388594 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I Google for that most recent number (6023), #1 hit is esolangs.org, then wiki.jenkins-ci.org (the continuous integration infra system), then wiki.wesnoth.org, then wiki.dreamhost.com, then community.kde.org and so on and so forth. < 1453850472 768813 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: It's what comes out when you type "24 years" in the box, which is something ais523 initially did, and I just followed their lead. < 1453850490 471264 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :We're unsure why it's parsed like that. < 1453850491 587367 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty sure google doesn't show esolangs.org to normal people < 1453850502 232223 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: What happens if you type in 1 century ? < 1453850519 923487 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: I'm not sure there's a good way to try. < 1453850575 979720 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, if I Google for "quickbooks support number", I get the spammy wiki.jenkins-ci.org page as a WebAnswers box. < 1453850580 179397 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Time for some feedback, I think. < 1453850588 531982 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I was thinking, email is optional right now during registration < 1453850594 706449 :spiette!~spiette@206.167.243.2 QUIT :Quit: :qa! < 1453850597 527389 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would making it mandatory be enough? < 1453850630 570305 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they create the page and immediately ask google to crawl it? sigh... < 1453850647 407965 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: Oh, you mean making it mandatory to do the confirm-by-email thing? I don't know. If they're actually having humans do these, perhaps they're prepared for that as well. < 1453850934 990375 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Could even make it something like "ask fizzie on IRC if you want an account" < 1453850959 18870 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :There aren't exactly that many people registering for an account anyway < 1453851015 107304 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe, yeah. < 1453851102 711131 :mauris__!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric < 1453851181 257068 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :how hard is it to find the operator of a toll-free number? < 1453851231 742529 :mauris_!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1453851251 915740 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. But they do have several numbers. < 1453851344 990613 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric < 1453851420 642422 :mauris__!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1453851648 708495 :mauris_!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric < 1453851744 443671 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1453851790 968931 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1453851858 534542 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I went to some of the other spammed wikis to try find out how they're coping -- https://wiki.wesnoth.org/ is not looking too good. < 1453851946 249088 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Jenkins CI wiki uses real reCAPTCHA, and they still have spam pages up. < 1453852010 898684 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://mywiki.wooledge.org/EnglishFrontPage?action=info check any of these < 1453852053 507132 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :wiki.dreamhost.com seems to have just disabled account creation. < 1453852111 287489 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, recaptcha doesn't help against humans