< 1451606409 342092 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Oh, I thought that \ was an escape code < 1451606420 303195 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it's just what HackEgo uses for output < 1451606438 916364 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo "#!/bin/sh ; if [ $(date +%Y) != "$(basename "$0")" ] ; then echo \"Hello, world!\" ; fi" > bin/1492 < 1451606442 711236 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1451606446 234217 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`1492 < 1451606447 163901 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: /hackenv/bin/1492: Permission denied \ /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: /hackenv/bin/1492: cannot execute: Permission denied < 1451606448 85682 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Happy new year, +0 timezone people! < 1451606452 29368 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't expect that to work < 1451606456 356037 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: psst, you could use `cp < 1451606471 458600 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes, I could, but I'm stupid < 1451606479 713864 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps I have to `touch bin/1492? < 1451606484 130478 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`touch bin/1492 < 1451606485 37377 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1451606493 856956 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo "#!/bin/sh ; if [ $(date +%Y) != "$(basename "$0")" ] ; then echo \"Hello, world!\" ; fi" > bin/1492 < 1451606494 879446 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1451606497 946221 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`1492 < 1451606498 804951 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: /hackenv/bin/1492: Permission denied \ /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: /hackenv/bin/1492: cannot execute: Permission denied < 1451606502 55616 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, I give up < 1451606505 54144 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1451606545 3513 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Happy near yew < 1451606551 982128 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: "chmod" hth < 1451606558 495251 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` chmod "#!/bin/sh ; if [ $(date +%Y) != "$(basename "$0")" ] ; then echo \"Hello, flat world!\" ; fi" > bin/1492 < 1451606560 690939 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :chmod: missing operand after `#!/bin/sh ; if [ 2016 != bash ] ; then echo "Hello, flat world!" ; fi' \ Try `chmod --help' for more information. < 1451606570 662250 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` chmod bin/1492 "#!/bin/sh ; if [ $(date +%Y) != "$(basename "$0")" ] ; then echo \"Hello, flat world!\" ; fi" < 1451606571 347235 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats hppavilion[1] -----### < 1451606571 754279 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :chmod: invalid mode: `bin/1492' \ Try `chmod --help' for more information. < 1451606581 362919 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`chmod --help < 1451606582 362640 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usage: chmod [OPTION]... MODE[,MODE]... FILE... \ or: chmod [OPTION]... OCTAL-MODE FILE... \ or: chmod [OPTION]... --reference=RFILE FILE... \ Change the mode of each FILE to MODE. \ \ -c, --changes like verbose but report only when a change is made \ --no-preserve-root do not treat `/' specially (the default) \ --pr < 1451606584 34384 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :chmod is the command for setting file permissions. < 1451606589 917806 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oooooooooooooooh < 1451606603 663269 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1451606604 746347 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: See, I'm an idiot. You must keep that in mind. < 1451606616 690286 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: So here's an idea for an EsOS: OO Filesystem < 1451606630 412758 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Instead of files, you have instances based on classes. < 1451606673 411843 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure how methods work though. < 1451606687 367267 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` cp bin/{2015,1492} < 1451606689 750575 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1451606703 56344 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` 2015; 1492 < 1451606703 726785 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`1492 < 1451606706 693125 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: /hackenv/bin/1492: Permission denied \ /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: /hackenv/bin/1492: cannot execute: Permission denied < 1451606706 853339 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, world! \ bash: /hackenv/bin/1492: Permission denied < 1451606711 477882 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1451606714 456150 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1451606722 365819 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1451606732 539820 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` rm bin/1492; cp bin/{2015,1492} < 1451606735 524668 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1451606740 487926 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`1492 < 1451606741 711142 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, world! < 1451606768 377321 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupidly, cp only transfers permissions when the file doesn't already exist < 1451606769 315214 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: See, but the world is flat, remember? < 1451606783 65880 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats hppavilion[1] -----### < 1451606793 341699 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :THEY DIDN'T BELIEVE THAT AT COLUMBUS' TIME < 1451606796 802191 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I KNOW < 1451606800 927685 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :THAT'S THE JOKE < 1451606805 927646 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :O KAY < 1451606845 440160 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a dead unicorn trope if there ever was one < 1451606849 480638 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that joke fell flatter than they beieved the world was < 1451606857 620851 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :l < 1451606866 630483 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: So OO fsys? What do you think? Or is there a better idea?? < 1451606893 910774 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? moon < 1451606895 174379 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Moon is an unprovable celestial object that is not very retroreflectorey. < 1451606897 653188 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? year < 1451606898 783557 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :year? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1451606921 168336 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: i see OO and immediately run away hth < 1451606934 275897 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: But good OO. Not Javic OO. < 1451606962 370804 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :An OS where the filesystem need not be based on a file tree; you can customize it to your every whim < 1451606995 380912 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure i had that idea > 20 years ago < 1451607003 817284 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Do you have a more eso- ide? < 1451607006 12607 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*idea < 1451607021 86628 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :One that's actually something people might want to use? < 1451607036 100244 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OXYMORON DETECTED < 1451607056 759888 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1451607066 644416 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Eso /= bad for use < 1451607073 102352 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell is eso, remember < 1451607101 523471 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :O KAY excuse me i'm reading tvtropes again < 1451607260 432136 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn. was transfering pictures from my camera, and a missed a live swatting. < 1451607270 131837 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/and a/and I/ < 1451607296 17385 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavellon[1]. Haskell isn't eso, it's categorically eso. < 1451607590 348584 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1451607623 350044 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamellomanj. when are you? < 1451607633 458606 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Happy new year too, boily. :) < 1451607705 733349 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm actually in GMT, but A. my clock seems to be off (forgot to install NTPd here...) and B. I only recently thought to start distributing Happy New Year messages < 1451607840 600461 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yappy hue nair < 1451607896 499498 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Appy kitten ear! < 1451607896 696391 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07414]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46058&oldid=42712 5* 03Vriskanon 5* (+0) 10Changed Grid co-ordinates such that 0,0 is top left, rather than bottom left. < 1451608157 268044 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1451608874 834018 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1451609441 36317 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really feel like staying up super really late like I normally do < 1451609675 980708 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Happy Tanew yearb! < 1451609740 194074 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Haneb < 1451610304 143547 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many other people will write comment to my card < 1451610374 55634 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hezzo38. you have a card? < 1451610398 199786 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I made up many Magic: the Gathering cards, including some new ones recently < 1451610533 499111 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't use htdigest so I can't comment. < 1451610541 431969 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you had a regular account registration system I might use it. < 1451610541 826053 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is available in three formats (plain text, SQLite database, and a webpage), but to send comment you will need the account; tell me the account by private message and then I will put it in. The realm for the account is CustomMTG_zzo38 < 1451610575 174700 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can also just tell me the password by private message and I will do myself is another way, although it is recommended to make the MD5 calculation yourself instead. < 1451610706 912528 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can add a form to make the MD5 hash of your account automatically if you have JavaScripts. < 1451611259 670016 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, now there is a form to do it < 1451611298 664832 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://zzo38computer.org/mtg/cardfile.php < 1451611378 926373 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now are you able to do it? Now it can be done by form. < 1451612586 162559 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So here's that Magic card: http://mtgcardsmith.com/view/magic-magnet < 1451612638 816457 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Enchanted... enchantment? Wut? < 1451612647 550409 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup. < 1451612653 800687 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You enchant enchantments. < 1451612677 598158 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: But... but... but... < 1451612682 143702 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :THAT MAKES NO SENSE < 1451612711 546645 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why it makes no sense? < 1451612715 739406 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :yo dawg i heard you like enchantments < 1451612731 698854 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Say, here's a question. < 1451612747 122705 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Suppose a card says this: "When this card enters the battlefield, it becomes red until end of turn." < 1451612754 630987 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It enters the battlefield, but leaves before the ability resolves. < 1451612771 671726 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing becomes red, right? < 1451612774 608848 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then I think nothing happens; that object no longer exists. < 1451612778 289646 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1451613127 896114 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :impermanence of red objects. < 1451613263 755448 :dioneone666999!~dioneone6@191.7.14.47 JOIN :#esoteric < 1451613320 788333 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome dioneone666999 < 1451613322 116214 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​13dioneone666999: 04Welcome 07to 08the 09international 02hub 06for 13esoteric 04programming 07language 08design 09and 02deployment! 06For 13more 04information, 07check 08out 09our 02wiki: 06. 13(For 04the 07other 08kind 09of 02esoterica, 06try 13#esoteric 04on 07EFnet 08or 09DALnet.) < 1451613343 531457 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably the last `relcome of the year... < 1451613352 861301 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome < 1451613354 176838 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​04Welcome 07to 08the 09international 02hub 06for 13esoteric 04programming 07language 08design 09and 02deployment! 06For 13more 04information, 07check 08out 09our 02wiki: 06. 13(For 04the 07other 08kind 09of 02esoterica, 06try 13#esoteric 04on 07EFnet 08or 09DALnet.) < 1451613362 94968 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey :P < 1451613362 302430 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: YOU WERE WRONG < 1451613418 451539 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and with that, happy new year y'all! up to watching tv specials with the parents (and probably embooze my blood system as collateral damage). < 1451613431 82544 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca QUIT :Quit: CROMULENT CHICKEN < 1451613848 241608 :dioneone666999!~dioneone6@191.7.14.47 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1451614431 801462 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1451614452 362168 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://cheezburger.com/8591039232/guy-edits-bands-wikipedia-page-to-get-backstage-has-beer-with-peking-duk?ref=relatedspp < 1451614583 142747 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're paying for security < 1451615258 570068 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh god < 1451615263 599411 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This kid graduated in 2015 < 1451615287 30342 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :His senior quote was from Bill Cosby and Jared the Subway Guy was the person he looked up to the most < 1451615293 41789 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/2015/2013/ < 1451615308 820343 :andrew_!~andrew@59.38.97.166 JOIN :#esoteric < 1451616323 800928 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :constant < 1451616663 887319 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :We should come up with a better unit of measurement than LoC < 1451617138 878926 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtfs per hour < 1451617251 777614 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-02-1242510803.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :LadjLOC < 1451617266 895707 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-02-1242510803.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Language Adjusted Lines of Code < 1451617308 592826 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-02-1242510803.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eg. we benchmark how much code tasks take in various languages, and aply a coeficiant < 1451617361 279044 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-02-1242510803.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also perhaps the LOC should be measured after reformatting to a standard whitespace rule < 1451617415 801951 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-02-1242510803.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's similar to GDP-PPP < 1451617462 295660 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: And what about BF? I think that our metric should work with languages that forgo LoC like BF or, worse, Befunge < 1451617488 723789 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: But also, removing code is good if you don't lose functionality < 1451617498 544979 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-02-1242510803.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, for character-oriented languages i guess we measure characters instead of lines < 1451617549 690301 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: But what about an equivalent BF program to a Python program? I imagine for most programs, the BF has more characters than the python has lines < 1451617565 343104 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-02-1242510803.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but regardless, the procedure is measure the file somehow, then apply a standard coefieciant to convert it to CLOCE (C Lines of Code Equivalent) < 1451617579 807797 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And in Python, for example, is while x<5 really equivalent to a complex list generator? < 1451617590 198562 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: That's better < 1451617602 61373 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-02-1242510803.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :so in the case of BF, the coeficiant would be very small < 1451617624 430114 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course < 1451617633 922630 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: And what about libraries? Do we count those? < 1451617650 134052 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It depends on what you're measuring, of course < 1451618208 860558 :constant!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Quit: 1 found in /dev/zero < 1451618631 256373 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/516/361/e9d.jpg < 1451618632 426380 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT < 1451618810 463205 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yo dawg i heard you like knives < 1451619621 7162 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're also lighter < 1451620298 159464 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1451621006 671477 :tromp__!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1451621184 703497 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1451621548 864041 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07ROOP14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46059&oldid=45970 5* 03-Dark-Phantom- 5* (+2440) 10Computational class. Is turing complete! < 1451621723 26485 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07414]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46060&oldid=46058 5* 03-Dark-Phantom- 5* (+0) 10/* The end */ < 1451622083 64263 :dcentral!~IGLC@206.251.40.170 JOIN :#esoteric < 1451624036 774343 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1451625005 986618 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1451625016 640357 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had an idea for an AWESOME name for my Combinatory Logic Language < 1451625029 101680 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :SCPL < 1451625048 565915 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It stands for Combinatory Logic Programming Language, < 1451625086 336121 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the s for? < 1451625087 725271 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or more accurately, Combinatory Logic (Programming Langauge) < 1451625096 112077 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: Just think about it for a second < 1451625128 653271 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i get it, it stands for stupid < 1451625137 622182 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: Do you ACTUALLY get it? < 1451625161 299803 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I got the behavior of the S combinator right, correct?) < 1451625177 14192 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i rest my case < 1451625194 356540 :wtm_iphone!~wtm_iphon@unaffiliated/wtm-iphone/x-2073501 JOIN :#esoteric < 1451625199 464507 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: Oh come on, that's the greatest pun ever invented and you know it < 1451625203 21022 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, that isn't saying much < 1451625206 558765 :wtm_iphone!~wtm_iphon@unaffiliated/wtm-iphone/x-2073501 PART :#esoteric < 1451625207 744322 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But still < 1451625825 930829 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1451627568 901429 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1451631348 385267 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Element118 5* 10New user account < 1451631372 159260 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"For example: in arbitrary-precision arithmetic, operations are often performed in a base that is equal to 2^word_size. The most basic division algorithm, "Schoolbook Division", has a step that will be taken in 2/B cases (where B is the base the numbers are in), given random input. On a 32-bit processor that is approximately one in two billion cases, for 64-bit it's one in 18 quintillion cases." < 1451631374 594428 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.O < 1451631518 951912 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1451632346 11061 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1451634364 489983 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1451634396 195924 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reverse copyright: You have to use it in all publicly-published works, unless explicitly given permission by the copyright holder not to < 1451634440 297730 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*permission /not/ to < 1451634603 634089 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1451635236 38627 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :whats got you all up < 1451635271 760294 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :busy writing code < 1451635285 13081 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :no time for irc < 1451635302 386290 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh ok < 1451635388 977519 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :in italy we say "who does X on new year's day, will do X all year long" < 1451635393 678960 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :it rhimes in italian < 1451635404 497286 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :rhymes < 1451635906 512318 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/31/health/mre-meals-study-feat/index.html tempting < 1451636017 140170 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :$200, which isn't a lot, but hey, free MREs for 3 weeks < 1451636985 379648 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/VdfKRhc.webm < 1451640603 914379 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it's new years < 1451640606 73688 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So yay < 1451640968 130209 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1451641680 400713 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is he ok/is that fake? < 1451643558 986895 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1451645100 69626 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1451645609 97195 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1451646895 107356 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1451647598 122556 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1451648167 755505 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric < 1451648789 649867 :diginet!~diginet@107.170.146.29 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had an for an esoteric language: use jacquard loom cards for input, where the program output is a textile < 1451648885 493276 :Welo!~hato@546A4E77.cm-12-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1451650649 98654 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, a Jacquard loom < 1451650870 521618 :diginet!~diginet@107.170.146.29 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Jacquard looms aren't turing complete < 1451651107 80376 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User talk:Oerjan14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46061&oldid=41033 5* 03LegionMammal978 5* (+246) 10/* Deletion Request */ new section < 1451652866 143036 :Welo!~hato@546A4E77.cm-12-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1451655593 144311 :dcentral!~IGLC@206.251.40.170 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1451656152 836037 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Asdf14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46062&oldid=39618 5* 03186.153.105.73 5* (+1) 10/* Move the pointer left, regardless of toggle bit (note: may perform I/O at low addresses) */ simply "as" would also toggle the current bit < 1451656397 656174 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1451656898 739208 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1451659344 737434 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric < 1451661463 336712 :jameseb!~jameseb_@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io JOIN :#esoteric < 1451664132 258749 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@86.89.119.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1451664762 833311 :mauris_!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric < 1451664971 737282 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1451667721 751453 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1451668744 569314 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`2016 < 1451668754 27572 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: 2016: not found < 1451668759 726377 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1451668761 648821 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :guestbot/guestbot is nobody < 1451669324 907473 :mauris_!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1451670439 736478 :mauris_!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric < 1451670548 310274 :mauris_!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl NICK :mauris < 1451670896 834714 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`2015 < 1451670897 713649 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, world! < 1451670901 689572 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahahahah! < 1451670904 940966 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :First time it's done that :) < 1451670913 397016 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(to my knowledge) < 1451670927 179309 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-hsyyxchzuvwoztql QUIT :Excess Flood < 1451670971 643462 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apart from cheating times < 1451671026 737358 :Lord_of_-!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-mhamkskhkglglwpm JOIN :#esoteric < 1451671190 635791 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`2015 < 1451671191 550354 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, world! < 1451671228 768888 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is there no copy as 2016? < 1451671235 638787 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cp bin/2014 bin/2016 # let's see how good my memory is < 1451671237 660826 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cp: missing destination file operand after `bin/2014 bin/2016 # let\'s see how good my memory is' \ Try `cp --help' for more information. < 1451671241 850914 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cp bin/2014 bin/2016 # let's see how good my memory is < 1451671244 112829 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1451671247 877882 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`2016 < 1451671248 556619 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, world! < 1451671251 550626 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1451671260 568159 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cp bin/2014 bin/2017 < 1451671260 987116 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well ... < 1451671263 391293 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`2017 < 1451671263 756659 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1451671264 667024 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1451671486 926882 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tanelle, mynamello, hellolsner! < 1451671495 120564 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan where are my kittens? < 1451671495 328069 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1451671510 34361 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan (I meant to @ask, not @tell) < 1451671510 258123 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1451671530 507336 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: I ate them < 1451673216 950742 :J_Arcane_!~chatzilla@37-219-29-107.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1451673789 939587 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooooooooooooo! < 1451673795 961832 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca QUIT :Quit: SPRUCED CHICKEN < 1451674124 737266 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1451674385 668675 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1451674543 362768 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it good to eat? < 1451674567 115940 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't seen context, but guessing, no < 1451675006 814571 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1451675309 690825 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1451675814 132659 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric : boily | @tell oerjan where are my kittens? < 1451675815 944340 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :ly: I ate them < 1451675817 972649 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric : boily | nooooooooooooo! < 1451675821 552906 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck copy paste gone wrong < 1451675857 740157 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hi < 1451675863 955425 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1451675884 943732 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: they're building their evil plan of hypnotizing all humans to telepathically control them and become the master of the universe < 1451675914 128501 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1451675915 247488 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I see you posted a new esolanguage that is evil in a sneaky way. < 1451675932 488088 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do you consider it evil? < 1451675940 139438 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: It doesn't have gotos, and it probably actually matters. You can't just emulate them with other control structures like in brainfuck. < 1451675941 392297 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! 2014 test < 1451675947 154850 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or like in C < 1451675950 523416 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: ah right < 1451675952 691794 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/bin/!: 4: exec: ibin/2014: not found < 1451675953 591216 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was aware of that < 1451675958 503329 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` 2014 test < 1451675960 49687 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1451675964 674 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that program is in the wrong directory < 1451675975 741392 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :decided to maintain the tradition of an end-of-year esolang, altough this time it wasn't dec 31 < 1451676064 524911 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least it might take exponentially long programs to simulate it < 1451676069 546371 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but even that might not be enough < 1451676143 456311 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ofc, PMMN doesn't have this issue as it has reliable reads and writes < 1451676155 949456 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If only it had functions, it would be easy < 1451676338 851344 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you sure? < 1451676348 752326 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not 100% sure it's doable even with a finite state machine < 1451676721 691885 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: No route to host < 1451676754 18778 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1451677291 791976 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure really < 1451677301 130102 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what that language can do < 1451677322 141334 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, come on, it's AT MOST a Minsky machines, and I don't like those, they're too powerless for my tastes < 1451677338 941361 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mind you, if it had functions, then you'd sort of have one stack, so it's not just a Minsky machine, but still < 1451677777 790237 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, that's how I proved Splinter to be more than an FSM < 1451677804 59839 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I know now you have the account for comment on my custom cards but did you make the comment to write yet? < 1451677806 985809 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(its author was aiming for sub-TC, and thought it was an FSM; I'm pretty sure it's a PDA) < 1451677851 930685 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1451677863 520709 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I think Minsky machines can be powerful enough to write practical programs in < 1451677867 467936 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have a sufficiently good interp < 1451677874 814265 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I was writing one but burned out a bit) < 1451677885 893575 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually it's a compiler, not an interp < 1451677896 650302 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's already saved a factor of O(n) for the first program I wrote < 1451678047 523323 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the program in question prints consecutive integers in decimal < 1451678067 947292 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm hoping that when the compiler is finished, it'll run faster than the C equivalent, at least if it's written the obvious way with printf < 1451678512 971468 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Quit: 1 found in /dev/zero < 1451678641 63951 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: no, I don't think I made a comment yet < 1451679048 678256 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would hope that anyone who would want to write such comment can have the account. It is now possible even if you do not have MD5 software on your computer, to use the form on the webpage if you have JavaScripts, to make the calculation. Also note, you can also use program "curl" to send the comments, and also to download the database; but use of web browser is also possible. < 1451679288 741359 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric < 1451679561 721033 :jaboja!~jaboja@ese220.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1451680575 446677 :jaboja!~jaboja@ese220.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1451681028 842002 :andrew_!~andrew@59.38.97.166 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1451681360 691319 :jaboja!~jaboja@ese220.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1451681902 160095 :jaboja!~jaboja@ese220.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1451682197 618010 :jaboja!~jaboja@ese220.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1451683108 851275 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@86.89.119.147 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1451684322 722856 :jaboja!~jaboja@ese220.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1451684657 535709 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1451684700 587901 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I reiterate something I've said before < 1451684740 114407 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[Call Queue]] should be moved to [[Call Queue (language)]] so we can make a page on the abstract concept of a Call Queue < 1451684812 262384 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think a call queue is a common enough concept < 1451684861 631358 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's an unfinished language I've worked on that uses a queue rather than a stack for recursion < 1451684883 231105 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but a separate queue for each function-equivalent < 1451685003 713028 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1451685008 568782 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1451685010 695848 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1451685362 810342 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Call stack14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=46063 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+1422) 10Created page with a wholelotta red links < 1451685389 78764 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There. I think we needed that page. < 1451685446 412303 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For, y'know, information purposes for n00berific esolangers < 1451685735 833780 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1451685762 669262 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1451686000 535192 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Call stack/Manipulation14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=46064 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+2065) 10Created Page < 1451686121 677236 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1451686483 187393 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :My esolangs page broke for reasons so I've had to remove the animations because I don't feel like figuring out CSS3 animations < 1451686630 691324 :dcentral!~IGLC@206.251.40.170 JOIN :#esoteric < 1451686725 808711 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1451686803 18931 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07ChaitinFuck14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=46065 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+2216) 10Created Page for study of Chaitin's Constant (there. A useful BF derivative.) < 1451686821 532447 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have done it. < 1451687060 926383 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://runciman.hacksoc.org/~taneb/esolangs.html is the page I was talking about < 1451687364 424499 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavellon[1]. you ha ve done it. < 1451687375 164676 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/ v/v/ < 1451688564 906600 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1451688576 190735 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1451688576 399597 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hat/hatee-hatee-hatee-hooo < 1451688580 863231 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah! :D < 1451688775 65366 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1451688777 657478 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :portmanteau/«Portmanteau» is the French spelling of “port man toe”. < 1451688786 31551 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1451688788 5459 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :horse/A horse, a horse! My kingdom for a horse! < 1451688792 643317 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1451688794 247294 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :md5/MD5 is a hash algorithm mainly used by underdeveloped aliens. < 1451688811 929701 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` culprits wisdom/md5 < 1451688818 597908 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman < 1451688841 86236 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask mroman mrhelloman. underdeveloped aliens? < 1451688841 245428 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1451689250 107357 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1451689559 463386 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? evil < 1451689561 120974 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :evil? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1451690261 993699 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja NICK :earenndil < 1451691111 753851 :jaboja!~jaboja@ese220.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1451691275 753766 :Alcest!~alcest@69.64.40.177 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1451691411 604273 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1451692128 416957 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1451692132 650205 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :certainty/We don't know what certainty is for sure, but at least it isn't a functor. < 1451692146 255303 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1451692148 32675 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :caps lock/CAPS LOCK IS CRUISE CONTROL FOR TIRED OLD MEMES < 1451692150 899451 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1451692153 38715 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gaspatsjo/gaspatsjo is a norwegian soup, which died out due to a lack of hot summer days < 1451692179 847353 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :followed by a lack of cold winter days < 1451692211 760682 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Norwegian climate converged, and now the forecast all year long is "Norwegian" < 1451692375 668426 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1451692557 909586 :gde33|2!kvirc@546A0B75.cm-12-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1451692609 679168 :heroux_!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-sgfkwvrdalhtwunb JOIN :#esoteric < 1451692641 754461 :boily_!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1451692667 391388 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :h_oily_ < 1451692699 33543 :digitalcold!~redacted@192.73.232.206 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1451692750 774452 :digitalcold!~redacted@192.73.232.206 JOIN :#esoteric < 1451692775 941967 :mbrcknl_!sid28171@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nvxvwaiucxbqvsts JOIN :#esoteric < 1451692807 455369 :glowcoil_!sid3405@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-iodhmvexuplsuref JOIN :#esoteric < 1451692822 527822 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-kmdbcinerenstfml QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1451692823 409189 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1451692823 863249 :MoALTz!~no@78-11-180-214.static.ip.netia.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1451692824 185383 :mbrcknl!sid28171@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vuksfobpblwwvtec QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1451692824 533541 :glowcoil!sid3405@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-udiloqdjzhctnkah QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1451692824 978990 :gde33!kvirc@546A0B75.cm-12-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1451692825 238309 :relrod!~relrod@redhat/relrod QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1451692826 431074 :Hoolootwo!~Hoolootwo@you.know.what.toasters.rocks QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1451692831 364575 :heroux_!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-sgfkwvrdalhtwunb NICK :heroux < 1451692835 459757 :relrod_!~relrod@104.131.193.156 JOIN :#esoteric < 1451692836 398479 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-246.rentec.com QUIT :Write error: Connection reset by peer < 1451692837 327161 :Hoolootwo!~Hoolootwo@you.know.what.toasters.rocks JOIN :#esoteric < 1451692837 490804 :relrod_!~relrod@104.131.193.156 QUIT :Changing host < 1451692837 650546 :relrod_!~relrod@redhat/relrod JOIN :#esoteric < 1451692858 665688 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-246.rentec.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1451692902 88200 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ping < 1451692911 979974 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1451692925 431733 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh _now_ you notice me < 1451692928 260009 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages- < 1451692928 737395 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily said 5h 57m 13s ago: where are my kittens? < 1451692928 896149 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily said 5h 56m 58s ago: (I meant to @ask, not @tell) < 1451692941 102526 :mbrcknl_!sid28171@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nvxvwaiucxbqvsts NICK :mbrcknl < 1451692992 982360 :glowcoil_!sid3405@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-iodhmvexuplsuref NICK :glowcoil < 1451693062 853978 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-02-1242510803.dsl.bell.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1451693080 615945 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't@askdon't@tell < 1451693084 710162 :ineiros!ineiros@kapsi.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1451693108 515084 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just went on a Recruiting mission on the xkcd Fora < 1451693122 845980 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-02-1242510803.dsl.bell.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1451693195 901145 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily_: see http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?id=3826 < 1451693265 994155 :ineiros!ineiros@kapsi.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1451693277 964371 :boily_!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: fora? < 1451693286 422358 :boily_!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca NICK :boily < 1451693290 126034 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily_: Correct latin for "forums" < 1451693307 364338 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :imta there are multiple xkcd forumeses? < 1451693324 302896 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :foraminifera < 1451693352 506261 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: Yes, there is more than one forum within the xkcd superforum < 1451693423 655971 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What novel and convoluted concept could I use instead of classes in an OO language? < 1451693555 210990 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Oerjan 5* 10deleted "[[02User:LegionMammal978/Interpreters/Kangaroo10]]": Author request: content was: "
 using System; using System.Collections.Generic; using System.IO; using System.Text.RegularExpressions;  /* Error codes:  * 0 - success  * 1 ..." (and the only contributor was "[[Special:Contributions/LegionMammal978|LegionMamm
< 1451693607 299232 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User talk:Oerjan14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46066&oldid=46061 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+90) 10/* Deletion Request */
< 1451693682 338538 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: well you cannot use lectures, because INTERCAL already did.
< 1451693684 38174 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I wonder why the author didn't want the kangaroo interp online?
< 1451693701 65843 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :he said the idea didn't work
< 1451693729 362185 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: try castes hth
< 1451693744 924071 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: And what would castes be?
< 1451693764 416919 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's your job hth
< 1451693769 350618 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose some castes are "above" others
< 1451693790 128190 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :my job is to throw out awful puns
< 1451693810 369042 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait is "throw out" the right p.v. here
< 1451693834 746824 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes
< 1451693859 745842 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost a self-antonym, that one
< 1451693937 160524 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :self-antonym has many synonyms, i see.  i think the winner is enantiodrome.
< 1451693980 433908 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like self-antonyms
< 1451693996 351295 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"transparent" is a good one ("you can see the inner workings" vs. "you don't have to care about the inner workings")
< 1451694077 982992 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Some pairs of contronyms are true homographs, i.e., distinct words with different etymology which happen to have the same form. For instance cleave "separate" is from Old English clēofan, while cleave "adhere" is from Old English clifian, which was pronounced differently."
< 1451694094 185002 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps groups, where you specify methods and elements?
< 1451694106 468636 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think those must be cognate to no:klyve and no:klebe
< 1451694127 573162 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: where is that a quote from?
< 1451694138 354880 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auto-antonym
< 1451694169 307611 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks
< 1451694374 745962 :jaboja!~jaboja@ese220.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
< 1451699241 907024 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom
< 1451699246 485552 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :superexponential growth/Superexponential growth? SUPEREXPONENTIAL GROWTH?! HOLY CRAP!!!
< 1451699257 409137 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot!
< 1451699257 614190 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: never knew that adams has played guitar on a pink floyd gig...
< 1451699266 506231 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: me neither.
< 1451699266 788144 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: ( which is absolutely no c whatsoever. even most of the topic, i came across an asm dump of metroid ( nes) ( a
< 1451699363 676258 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1451699750 136962 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoo! I defined == for typemaker!
< 1451699825 723010 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the UnsignedIntegers at least
< 1451699830 432744 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's recursive xD
< 1451699840 926741 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: I have defined == recursively.
< 1451700035 864443 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, I need to define a base case
< 1451700048 810094 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There we go
< 1451700053 819772 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just a return True
< 1451700126 869812 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot~
< 1451700127 28950 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: i have no real idea what " the scheme programming language, yes...
< 1451700142 215661 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: I think it delimits string literals
< 1451700142 398593 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: that's easy in basic: 10 print " every problem looks like a minor third harmonic?
< 1451700165 640232 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: 20 goto 10?
< 1451700165 891157 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: hmm would scheme run good on a stack, what's the action going to pay 80 for a fucking long time alright
< 1451700192 454020 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ==
< 1451700193 410774 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​==? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1451700194 370977 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: are we talking like 50s computers here?
< 1451700194 807314 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: llc is you got a quote of how that can be easily modified, the ability to solve problems you need to
< 1451700207 146323 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`le/rn ==/Did you know you can define == recursively!?
< 1451700211 615152 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned «==»
< 1451701748 980186 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it wrong that I think Plumpy'Nut sounds delicious?
< 1451701761 185878 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, it's for use for famine emergencies, not just because it sounds good
< 1451702660 331905 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes Sgeo it's very wrong
< 1451702720 798751 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1451702727 493426 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Plumpy'Nut is said to be "surprisingly tasty"." i mean even wikipedia thinks it's perfectly normal
< 1451702998 236066 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, by the way
< 1451703000 646087 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Why, exactly, do you have Plumpy'Nut?
< 1451703013 59041 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to figure out a more logical way to write surreal numbers based on additional decimal places
< 1451703037 91530 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, I don't
< 1451703042 90149 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: he stole it from starving orphans hth
< 1451703043 85685 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't write surreal numbers with additional decimal places
< 1451703050 788850 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OIC
< 1451703059 69616 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are uncountable and cannot be represented by any finite notation
< 1451703076 802606 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My current idea is this: the real number is written normally, except with ; instead of . for the decimal (so you can identify the centre)
< 1451703079 185999 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: if I ever come to finland, how do I avoid you? asking for a friend
< 1451703093 860784 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are a proper class and cannot be represented by anything 'small'
< 1451703097 889531 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: that's easy since i'm in norway hth
< 1451703114 18798 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've never even been to finland
< 1451703120 477918 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :the scheme you are describing will give you some variation on the bog-standard extended reals
< 1451703156 254331 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Sign up for the Plumpy’Nut Challenge. They will send you a box of Plumpy’Nut packets. You must agree to only eat Plumpy’Nut for a few days to a week."
< 1451703166 685171 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: tdh
< 1451703179 243971 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, I've been to norway!
< 1451703202 424058 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Each . after the decimal place is a separator so each the subsequent number is in the region of to ε**c, where c is the . count up to that point (inclusive)
< 1451703237 237696 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So 31;41.59 is equal to 31.41+59ε
< 1451703277 728302 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :31;41.59.26 is equal to 31.41+59ε+26e**2
< 1451703285 52247 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: were you in trondheim? could have been a close call.
< 1451703329 221085 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :.. instead means tetration, so 31;41..59 is equal to 31.41+59ε**ε
< 1451703337 285143 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... is pentation
< 1451703339 3615 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Et cetera
< 1451703380 577755 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the other side of the ;, you deal with ω
< 1451703395 483520 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is not entirely clear on whether surreal numbers have a decimal expansion even if you allow Omega digits
< 1451703413 978337 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Omega = class of all ordinals)
< 1451703448 648705 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, (1) would they have a decimal expansion (2) would the digits be well ordered?
< 1451703449 925599 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So 3.14 is actually equal to 3ω+14 in my representation, not to 3.14 (as a real number)
< 1451703458 455501 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then of course .. is tetration
< 1451703461 891076 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... is pentation
< 1451703465 218731 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :etc.
< 1451703490 357699 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, there are some flaws I can think of with this, but it's better to help people understand the surreals than {|}
< 1451703500 355767 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example, how do your write sqrt(ω)?
< 1451703523 863623 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sqrt(ω) isn't equal to sqrt(1)*ω=1*ω=ω, as far as I know. Then again, it might be.
< 1451703527 461348 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it? I really don't know
< 1451703560 728771 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Do you know?
< 1451703571 201053 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i never really learned beyond multiplication
< 1451703574 973900 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh
< 1451703589 627288 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just know you can supposedly define lots of stuff
< 1451703643 123006 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, i'm not sure i ever learned multiplication properly.  i've probably forgotten it again.  addition and subtraction are easy though.
< 1451703655 838528 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yeah
< 1451703662 10394 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :this was like 6 years ago though
< 1451703686 942739 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Do you know about sqrt(ω)?
< 1451703696 568331 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1451703745 999836 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Oh, and of course, you fill in empty spaces with 0
< 1451703776 344531 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So 1.0.14 is equal to ω**2+14ω**0 = ω**2+14
< 1451703808 888755 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: i'm not sure you're defining a notation for surreals and not just ordinals
< 1451703821 117849 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Really? Dammit
< 1451703824 879152 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What'm I missing?
< 1451703838 792794 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks pretty similar to cantor normal form for ordinals
< 1451703850 518596 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The surreals are BIG, so I must be missing something xD
< 1451703865 135722 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Really? Yay! I made up something that a famous mathematician did something similar to!
< 1451703876 805529 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well erm
< 1451703887 766497 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ω**2+14ω**0 stuff
< 1451703893 63734 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not your actual notation.
< 1451703899 79181 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Therefor I think vaguely like a certain famous mathematician!
< 1451703919 941569 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1451703923 313011 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Ah, that was me showing what it means. Whether that's equivalent to CNF is a matter of what I'm missing.
< 1451703938 62752 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I got the infinitessimals too, did you notice?
< 1451703956 77350 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :technically that should be ω**2+ω**0*14 because ordinals are not commutative
< 1451703966 355367 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: ah no, then that's a bit more
< 1451703978 650497 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Ah
< 1451703986 570610 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Noncommutativity, dammit
< 1451703997 734374 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But are the surreals commutative?
< 1451704128 558025 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: OK, so I got reals, numbers multiplied by infinitesimals, the same with powers of infinitesimals, and generally with any infinitesimal to an arbitrary power
< 1451704132 331502 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh that last thing messed up a character in irssi
< 1451704149 846741 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the surreals are commutative, they're essentially a field
< 1451704162 170293 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can also do infinitesimals to a natural power to a- ah, that's something I'm missing
< 1451704166 70988 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, no
< 1451704204 463169 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not missing that, because ω=ε**-1
< 1451704216 338167 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I don't think you can do, for example, ε**(ε**2)
< 1451704225 450408 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe you can.
< 1451704226 564013 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm...
< 1451704256 430752 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :0;0..0.1 might be that
< 1451704286 966411 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's... I think it might be, actually
< 1451704288 545691 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay!
< 1451704347 796010 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I think I AM missing ε**n where n is not an integer
< 1451704357 40582 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though you could do that with sum, of course
< 1451704362 353217 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think
< 1451704389 98439 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I got a good chunk of the surreals, so my notation is pretty good
< 1451704415 985077 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt it's possible to have a finite notation that can do ALL of the surreals, even with ellipses.
< 1451704439 271267 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that is, the plural of ellipsis, not ovals)
< 1451704846 751308 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: You can't have finite notation for all the reals
< 1451704851 837208 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :And surreals subsume the reals
< 1451704859 765259 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
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< 1451704953 308181 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :or the ordinals
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< 1451706708 481149 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-02-1242510803.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kz9Irijq7ps <-- holy shit how did they even
< 1451706711 128149 :relrod_!~relrod@redhat/relrod NICK :relrod
< 1451706935 222761 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-02-1242510803.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :they even do the camera angles the same...
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< 1451711880 92008 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's an operation
< 1451711899 990638 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Algebraic Conjugate
< 1451711941 612514 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a+bi# = a+bj, a+bj# = a+bi (i**2=-1, j**2=1, j != 1)
< 1451711954 676685 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a+bk**2=a+bk (k**2=0, k != 0)
< 1451712007 252388 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :k breaks everything
< 1451712049 910645 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite
< 1451712470 823714 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :also shouldn't that be   a+bk**2 = a ?
< 1451712487 416167 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway if such k exist, that's not a domain
< 1451713083 125238 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: Whooops, I mean a+bk#
< 1451713114 951085 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm rapidly switching tasks, so I sometimes type code that I'm frequently using into chat for something entirely unrelated
< 1451713151 501690 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :("What was William Shakespear's last work?" "The coproduct of the category of categories of sets of numbers")
< 1451713168 768687 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: a+bk is the dual numbers; k is usually written epsilon, but I prefer k because it's typable
< 1451713240 391395 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is the name of the type of the algebra of numbers ai+bj? It's apparently not a Real 2D Algebra
< 1451715690 689204 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :So k^2 = 0?
< 1451716318 323105 :earenndil!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja NICK :Elronnd
< 1451716503 872313 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: How about this:  i^2 = j^2 = k^2 = ijk = -1
< 1451716540 337762 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: Yes, yes, you're very clever with the Quaternions or similar hypercomplex number
< 1451716561 521424 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(YOU CANNOT TRICK ME! MWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!)
< 1451716766 755404 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: It's literally just the quaternions =P
< 1451716782 775959 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: I know
< 1451716804 243884 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or more accurately, I knew it was at least similar (e.g. Tessarines or Coquaternions or Split-Biquaternions)
< 1451716863 603611 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-02-1242510803.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hold on are you telling me some of the accented letters aren't even pronounced any diferent from the ones without an accent?!@!?
< 1451716951 809955 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: *sigh*
< 1451716955 569475 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What language are you learning?
< 1451716998 209696 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-02-1242510803.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh, just reading about accents in general
< 1451717036 254628 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet you hate the (rare) diaresis.
< 1451717045 602848 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-02-1242510803.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently à is the same as à
< 1451717048 309844 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-02-1242510803.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently à is the same as a
< 1451717070 554971 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hence why "coöperate" and "cooperate" are pronounced the same.
< 1451717091 444251 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Polish ó and u are pronounced the same
< 1451717133 813157 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lemme guess, which you use is based on whether it's an "o" being modified because grammar or not?
< 1451717144 778021 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :same for ô and u in my region's dialect
< 1451717205 919697 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-02-1242510803.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: that's true for ç in French apparently
< 1451717483 332867 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-02-1242510803.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :holy crap http://www.ortograf.net/
< 1451717823 262289 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm embedding a secondary CAS in my CAS to make my CAS reduction easier to CAS
< 1451717873 751524 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-02-1242510803.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah nah your doing it wrong
< 1451717913 639587 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-02-1242510803.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yo I herd yo liek CAS so I put a CAS in yo CAS so u can CAS while you CAS
< 1451717933 904811 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yeah
< 1451718294 366187 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fair enough, then.
< 1451719297 768080 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Polish alphabet has 32 letters
< 1451719299 1199 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-02-1242510803.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :what sort of features would be expected of an esoteric human language
< 1451719334 685830 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: Any word can be spoken backwards
< 1451719438 107274 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: The subCAS is for the reduce() method of operations objects, which is basically programmed to do some simple reductions to make operations more efficient
< 1451719463 851247 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So Sum(Var('x'), 0).reduce() is just Var('x')
< 1451719500 919105 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The subCAS isn't a fully-fledged CAS, it's just a little object group with operations defined
< 1451719654 189032 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the CAS before the CAS
< 1451719660 275655 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A preprocessor, in some capacity
< 1451719683 469122 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: The ability to discuss mathematics fluently and unambiguously
< 1451719697 416587 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A basis in Combinatory Logic
< 1451719715 594657 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: Were you the one who rejected my proposal to allow esoconlangs on the wiki?
< 1451719719 697969 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or was that oerjan?
< 1451720000 415266 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-02-1242510803.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm i dunno.
< 1451720116 576406 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does it matter?
< 1451720219 794171 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, is there some other youtube channel like xidnaf?
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< 1451723245 166776 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :constant
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< 1451726910 491184 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :⊮ is feminism's favourite unicode character
< 1451726925 818422 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOLOLOLOLOLOL
< 1451727071 374778 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"So mathematicians would say that you, Ernestine, and I are not totally ordered under winning at Ping-Pong."
< 1451727429 860730 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That does not sound like something I would hear a mathematicians cay
< 1451727431 169046 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*say
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< 1451729113 978145 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-02-1242510803.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode ⊮
< 1451729130 127188 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+22AE DOES NOT FORCE \ UTF-8: e2 8a ae  UTF-16BE: 22ae  Decimal: ⊮ \ ⊮ \ Category: Sm (Symbol, Math) \ Bidi: ON (Other Neutrals) \ Character is mirrored \ Decomposition: 22A9 0338
< 1451729176 923648 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoa. sqrt(2) is rational in the surreals.
< 1451729186 118817 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mind.state := blown
< 1451729219 29409 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: Was your mind.state == blown when you first learned that?
< 1451729300 299516 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-02-1242510803.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :mind.setState(Mind::State_Blown);
< 1451729666 311922 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: My solution is functional :)
< 1451729674 479900 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It just doesn't look like it)
< 1451729687 215155 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(except for the :=)
< 1451729795 140759 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sqrt(2)=sqrt(2*omega)/omega
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< 1451745091 828089 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07V--14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46067&oldid=12182 5* 03LegionMammal978 5* (+13) 10/* External resources */
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< 1451747713 579049 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Happy 2017! https://www.reddit.com/r/shittyaskscience/comments/3yzt84/if_yesterday_was_2015_and_today_is_2016_is/
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< 1451749598 306755 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom
< 1451749607 238602 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :welp/welp is humid kelp, and not at all related to toes, their hairs, and generic requests for TWHes and TDHes.
< 1451750140 437398 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom
< 1451750141 892885 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :csv/CSV猫stands猫for猫Cat猫Separated猫Values
< 1451750157 687437 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course
< 1451750263 695577 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :FirelloFly.
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< 1451750753 809192 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exam nervousness ahoy
< 1451750822 558063 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tanelle. you are suffering an exam on which subject today?
< 1451750864 267014 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I don't have any until Monday
< 1451750867 970198 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then I have 5 in four days
< 1451750873 830025 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The first is formal methods
< 1451750914 262802 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then Algebraic Number Theory, then Eodermdrome, then Linear Optimization and Game Theory, then information theory
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< 1451750996 373747 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of these is not like the other.
< 1451751007 271837 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/r\./rs./
< 1451751052 77050 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.cs.york.ac.uk/modules/grat.html
< 1451751134 279834 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Authentication Required.
< 1451751181 334873 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry
< 1451751196 736080 :jaboja!~jaboja@acvs194.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
< 1451751219 747522 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The aims of this module are to:
< 1451751222 223087 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :To introduce the foundations of computing by graph transformation
< 1451751225 451638 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :To introduce the principles of rule-based programming in domains of graph-like structures
< 1451751239 833227 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :As a result of studying this module students should: (1) be familiar with the main concepts and results of graph transformation; (2) be able to recognise problems in various areas of computer science as suitable for applying graph transformation; (3) be able to write graph programs for solving problems in graph-like domains and reason about program correctness and complexity. 
< 1451751274 119517 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :tdh.
< 1451751394 366963 :agawa!~agawa@41.109.166.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a prolifer ?
< 1451751433 371689 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :boilyo
< 1451751457 864595 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :agawa, what about a profiler
< 1451751481 391561 :agawa!~agawa@41.109.166.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :said if is it a profiler
< 1451751573 434307 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not sure I understand what you mean
< 1451751660 660307 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is a pro-lifer
< 1451751707 440615 :agawa!~agawa@41.109.166.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thing that we are access-denied
< 1451751728 911448 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the module description
< 1451752022 602400 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1451752257 770222 :jaboja!~jaboja@acvs194.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1451752566 345365 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@193.86.27.79 QUIT :Quit: *bubbles away*
< 1451752586 951667 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@193.86.27.79 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1451752826 267082 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1451753252 970532 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-29-107.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds
< 1451753502 166319 :relrod!~relrod@redhat/relrod QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in
< 1451753541 800291 :relrod_!~relrod@new.elrod.me JOIN :#esoteric
< 1451753541 959446 :relrod_!~relrod@new.elrod.me QUIT :Changing host
< 1451753541 959524 :relrod_!~relrod@redhat/relrod JOIN :#esoteric
< 1451753672 249077 :relrod_!~relrod@redhat/relrod NICK :relrod
< 1451753720 584845 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1451753944 411529 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-29-107.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1451753995 806055 :agawa!~agawa@41.109.166.132 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1451754081 983140 :Welo!~hato@546A4E77.cm-12-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1451754179 669474 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1451754428 50948 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom
< 1451754441 384637 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :diet/People go on diets to loose weight instead of gaining. It gives them a consistant diet.
< 1451754761 332602 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? deit
< 1451754763 524724 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :deit? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1451754818 635615 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i '' 's/loose/lose' wisdom/diet
< 1451754819 873227 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sed: can't read s/loose/lose: No such file or directory
< 1451754834 492029 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i 's/loose/lose' wisdom/diet
< 1451754835 804367 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sed: -e expression #1, char 12: unterminated `s' command
< 1451754838 132909 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@193.86.27.79 QUIT :Quit: *bubbles away*
< 1451754843 241837 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i 's/loose/lose/' wisdom/diet
< 1451754845 861755 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1451754848 159501 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? diet
< 1451754849 860819 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :People go on diets to lose weight instead of gaining. It gives them a consistant diet.
< 1451754863 820450 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@193.86.27.79 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1451755056 932780 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett, p sure that was deliberate, note 'consistant'
< 1451755114 289941 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i 's/lose/loose/' wisdom/diet
< 1451755117 287353 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1451755119 993159 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? diet
< 1451755121 173577 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :People go on diets to loose weight instead of gaining. It gives them a consistant diet.
< 1451755196 322690 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? even
< 1451755197 326429 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1451755197 485532 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? odd
< 1451755198 466720 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :odd? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1451755422 109317 :agawa!~agawa@41.109.166.132 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1451755602 128564 :agawa!~agawa@41.109.166.132 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1451755748 231388 :agawa!~agawa@41.109.166.132 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1451755800 620653 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1451756068 586035 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1451756270 763742 :agawa!~agawa@41.109.166.132 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1451757375 230930 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`culprits wisdom/diet
< 1451757378 365011 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett tswett int-e ais523 oerjan elliott oerjan FireFly
< 1451757385 258946 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh.
< 1451757405 344040 :Lord_of_-!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-mhamkskhkglglwpm QUIT :Excess Flood
< 1451757546 463055 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the "ais523" is I think from when I wrote a script to delete random wisdom entries, only it screwed up and did something unintentional
< 1451757560 963905 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not entirely sure what, but IIRC the next few names are from people trying to fix it
< 1451757636 358069 :Lord_of_-!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-ijzyxeanbdujqxqg JOIN :#esoteric
< 1451758089 473413 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ingredient
< 1451758090 814315 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ingredient? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1451758182 246751 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "huh" was mostly because I don't remember what it's supposed to reference, but IIRC it's a verbatim quote from somewhere
< 1451758184 699748 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly spam
< 1451758896 475379 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca QUIT :Quit: REGAL CHICKEN
< 1451759682 269893 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric
< 1451762287 928184 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :
< 1451762770 377030 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :function
< 1451762772 672429 :lleu!~gnomebad@cpc15-croy20-2-0-cust489.croy.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1451762772 831422 :lleu!~gnomebad@cpc15-croy20-2-0-cust489.croy.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Changing host
< 1451762772 831507 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1451763731 450776 :function!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :variable
< 1451766561 669760 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1451768597 763776 :jaboja!~jaboja@acvs194.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
< 1451769244 288195 :jaboja!~jaboja@acvs194.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1451771020 904914 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1451771640 606810 :jaboja!~jaboja@acvs194.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1451771842 787154 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds
< 1451771911 18299 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1451772013 605378 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :
< 1451772068 594508 :jaboja!~jaboja@acvs194.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1451772607 820365 :Welo!~hato@546A4E77.cm-12-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1451772741 234426 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-02-1242510803.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`u8tbl 0x232d 0x2335
< 1451772742 375647 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Segmentation fault
< 1451772753 159287 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-02-1242510803.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`u8tbl 0x232d 0x2325
< 1451772754 242418 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Segmentation fault
< 1451772772 625736 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-02-1242510803.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` u8tbl 0x232d 0x2335
< 1451772773 669854 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​⌭⌮⌯ \ ⌰⌱⌲⌳⌴⌵
< 1451772780 252730 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-02-1242510803.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :boo
< 1451773139 90413 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-02-1242510803.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to fill in any remaining gaps in the blocks I have completed
< 1451773385 489005 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`thanks new year
< 1451773386 887084 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, new year. Thew year.
< 1451773444 536505 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`hello new year
< 1451773446 7453 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello
< 1451773459 505285 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh.
< 1451773460 954665 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`which hello
< 1451773462 89920 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/bin/hello
< 1451773481 901687 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/hello
< 1451773483 216663 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo Hello
< 1451773786 962574 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric
< 1451774322 188290 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm.
< 1451774328 430138 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`thanks Mark Rosewater
< 1451774329 450940 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, Mark Rosewater. Thark Rosewater.
< 1451774340 153860 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`thanks thanks
< 1451774341 422139 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, thanks. Thanks.
< 1451774355 893825 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? pseudopseudohypoparathyroidism
< 1451774357 295608 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pseudopseudohypoparathyroidism? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1451774359 891783 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er.
< 1451774363 648713 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`thanks pseudopseudohypoparathyroidism
< 1451774364 697884 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, pseudopseudohypoparathyroidism. Theudopseudohypoparathyroidism.
< 1451774368 4000 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`thanks ?
< 1451774369 371602 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, ?. T.
< 1451774376 141012 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interesting, that one.
< 1451774379 351931 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`thanks
< 1451774383 386921 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, neia. Theia.
< 1451774389 160103 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Come again?
< 1451774390 8446 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`thanks
< 1451774392 219661 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, iloquallc. Thiloquallc.
< 1451774399 290725 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/thanks
< 1451774400 283151 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/usr/bin/perl -CSDA \ $_ = (join " ", @ARGV) || `words`; s/^\s+|\s+$//g; print "Thanks, $_. "; if (/[aeiouyAEIOUY]/) { s/^[^aeiouyAEIOUY]*/Th/; } else { s/^./T/; } print "$_.";
< 1451774408 67005 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see.
< 1451774413 854883 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run thanks ''
< 1451774416 722422 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, aring. Tharing.
< 1451774430 721344 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run thanks ' '
< 1451774431 935005 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, . .
< 1451774457 781816 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`thanks hrmnzr
< 1451774459 241465 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, hrmnzr. Trmnzr.
< 1451774465 240152 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`thanks FBI
< 1451774466 307714 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, FBI. ThI.
< 1451774496 615435 :jaboja!~jaboja@acvs194.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1451774539 351515 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`thanks Schrödinger
< 1451774540 429238 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, Schrödinger. Thinger.
< 1451774624 833606 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1451774698 687369 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`thanks rødgrød med fløde
< 1451774700 121099 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, rødgrød med fløde. Thed fløde.
< 1451774715 133547 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ö is an interesting consonant...
< 1451774754 866440 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure is.
< 1451774810 448403 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`thanks KILL A PUPPY EVERY DAY.
< 1451774811 620628 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, KILL A PUPPY EVERY DAY.. ThILL A PUPPY EVERY DAY..
< 1451774848 845675 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is `evil still up?
< 1451774849 660164 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`evil
< 1451774851 73793 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :KILL A PUPPY EVERY DAY.
< 1451774853 483594 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure is.
< 1451774874 292550 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run thanks $(loudly Steve)
< 1451774876 153601 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, 04,09S09,04t04,09e09,04v04,09e. The09,04v04,09e.
< 1451774910 375585 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run loudly $(thanks $(loudly Steve))
< 1451774912 75158 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​04,09T09,04h04,09a09,04n04,09k09,04s04,09,
< 1451774921 577704 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run loudly $(loudly $(thanks $(loudly Steve)))
< 1451774923 96705 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​04,0909,04004,09409,04,04,09009,04904,09T09,0404,09009,04904,09,09,04004,09409,04h04,0909,04004,09409,04,04,09009,04904,09a09,0404,09009,04904,09,09,04004,09409,04n04,0909,04004,09409,04,04,09009,04904,09k09,0404,09009,04904,09,09,04004,09409,04s04,0909,04004,09409,04,04,09009,04904,09,
< 1451774930 893072 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o/
< 1451774987 422953 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/evil
< 1451774988 154833 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat "$(find evil -type f | shuf -n1)" | tr '[:lower:]' '[:upper:]'
< 1451775038 698813 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo ß | tr '[:lower:]' '[:upper:]'
< 1451775039 537207 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ß
< 1451775050 315954 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo ä | tr '[:lower:]' '[:upper:]'
< 1451775051 146860 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ä
< 1451775077 214906 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`locale
< 1451775078 143943 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :LANG=en_NZ.UTF-8 \ LANGUAGE= \ LC_CTYPE="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_NUMERIC="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_TIME="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_COLLATE="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_MONETARY="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_MESSAGES="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_PAPER="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_NAME="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_ADDRESS="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_TELEPHONE="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_MEASUREMENT="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_IDENTIFICATION="en_NZ
< 1451775252 360868 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` locale
< 1451775253 86226 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :LANG=C \ LANGUAGE= \ LC_CTYPE="C" \ LC_NUMERIC="C" \ LC_TIME="C" \ LC_COLLATE="C" \ LC_MONETARY="C" \ LC_MESSAGES="C" \ LC_PAPER="C" \ LC_NAME="C" \ LC_ADDRESS="C" \ LC_TELEPHONE="C" \ LC_MEASUREMENT="C" \ LC_IDENTIFICATION="C" \ LC_ALL=
< 1451775254 142678 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` locaqle
< 1451775255 73525 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: locaqle: command not found
< 1451775256 534016 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` locale
< 1451775257 566160 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :LANG=en_NZ.UTF-8 \ LANGUAGE= \ LC_CTYPE="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_NUMERIC="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_TIME="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_COLLATE="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_MONETARY="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_MESSAGES="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_PAPER="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_NAME="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_ADDRESS="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_TELEPHONE="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_MEASUREMENT="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_IDENTIFICATION="en_NZ
< 1451775519 647431 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm designing a programming language for the xkcd phone
< 1451775528 315292 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://forums.xkcd.com/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=113269
< 1451775734 571183 :jaboja!~jaboja@acvs194.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1451775920 203056 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-02-1242510803.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo lo | tr '[:lower:]' '[:upper:]'
< 1451775921 114189 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :LO
< 1451775939 997305 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-02-1242510803.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok so it isn't that
< 1451775999 303283 :Welo!~hato@546A4E77.cm-12-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1451776184 825320 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-02-1242510803.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` loudly 素晴らしい
< 1451776185 799240 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​04,0909,0404,0909,0404,0909,0404,0909,0404,0909,0404,0909,0404,0909,0404,09
< 1451776191 965345 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-02-1242510803.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAUAUAAUAUA
< 1451776481 563118 :Melvar!~melvar@84.62.104.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/loudly
< 1451776482 544035 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/usr/bin/env python \ import sys, itertools \ inp = len(sys.argv) >= 2 and sys.argv[1] or raw_input() \ cyc = itertools.cycle(["\00304,09","\00309,04"]) \ print "".join(cyc.next() + c for c in inp)
< 1451776567 817659 :Melvar!~melvar@84.62.104.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`which python3
< 1451776568 871435 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1451776842 675841 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1451776903 98108 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is a UTM that only runs when its being watched Turing complete?
< 1451776994 113453 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :would seem to require a watcher with unbounded lifespan hth
< 1451777442 914172 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: yes
< 1451777447 190294 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's still Turing complete
< 1451777832 253606 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-02-1242510803.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :just pass down a tradition of watching the UTM in your family
< 1451778029 622612 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu QUIT :Quit: That's what she said
< 1451778178 968762 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :`which python
< 1451778180 29441 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/usr/bin/python
< 1451778204 510376 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only the observable part of the behavior matters.
< 1451778473 41395 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Be officially informed that we have arrested a diplomat [..] with your consignment that contains huge amount of money [..] The diplomat claims that you are DEATH, therefore your consignment is being diverted [..]"
< 1451778488 776010 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope I'm not DEATH.
< 1451778591 384769 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you DESTROYER OF WORLDS?
< 1451778646 348537 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that the sort of thing you know you are if you are? 
< 1451778667 910881 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :good question.
< 1451779109 318079 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, would you know that you are destroyer of worlds if you were?
< 1451779109 730854 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: heh to just pop something from the cvs, and irc protocols. distributing loadable modules and drivers as source and still having them for normal grouping)
< 1451779175 675037 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1451779212 895895 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: loadable bus drivers?
< 1451779213 141931 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: what's slides? fnord/ down etc... and not if... let x be the cdr then...
< 1451779227 685631 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: you dropped your parenthesis somehwere
< 1451779227 844752 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: and what you wrote down. so, you couldn't count various calls at the same time
< 1451779234 220970 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: three?
< 1451779234 461214 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: in the subject yet... and i'm failing to see the function fizzie pasted "?" at http://paste.lisp.org/ display/ fnord....
< 1451779725 959123 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1451780077 781317 :Melvar!~melvar@84.62.104.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` sed -ire 's/inp\)$/unicode(inp, locale.nl_langinfo(locale.CODESET))).encode(locale.nl_langinfo(locale.CODESET))' bin/loudly
< 1451780078 906941 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sed: -e expression #1, char 101: unterminated `s' command
< 1451780088 505581 :Melvar!~melvar@84.62.104.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` sed -ire 's/inp\)$/unicode(inp, locale.nl_langinfo(locale.CODESET))).encode(locale.nl_langinfo(locale.CODESET))/' bin/loudly
< 1451780089 976393 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sed: -e expression #1, char 102: Unmatched ) or \)
< 1451780191 278974 :Melvar!~melvar@84.62.104.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` sed -ire 's/inp\)$/unicode\(inp, locale.nl_langinfo\(locale.CODESET\)\)\).encode\(locale.nl_langinfo\(locale.CODESET\)\)/' bin/loudly
< 1451780192 105429 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sed: -e expression #1, char 111: Unmatched ) or \)
< 1451780207 275477 :Melvar!~melvar@84.62.104.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wut.
< 1451780266 658923 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds
< 1451780333 772817 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo '(()(()))' | sed -e 's/(/)/g'
< 1451780334 897012 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​))))))))
< 1451780359 409460 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo '(()(()))' | sed -re 's/\(/)/g'
< 1451780360 480741 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​))))))))
< 1451780362 797483 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1451780378 116774 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo '(()(()))' | sed -re 's/\(/\)/g'
< 1451780379 150143 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​))))))))
< 1451780449 44160 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's funny, an unmatched \( seems to be fine.
< 1451780465 316654 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo '(()(()))' | sed -re 's/\)/\(/g'
< 1451780466 186080 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​((((((((
< 1451780472 400052 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo '(()(()))' | sed -e 's/\)/\(/g'
< 1451780473 755046 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sed: -e expression #1, char 9: Unmatched ) or \)
< 1451780477 730817 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo '(()(()))' | sed -e 's/\(/\(/g'
< 1451780478 589637 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sed: -e expression #1, char 9: Unmatched ( or \(
< 1451780483 434491 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really...
< 1451780496 662511 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I didn't notice the -r bit.
< 1451780503 369883 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't generally sed -r.
< 1451780614 637568 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/loudly
< 1451780615 899201 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/usr/bin/env python \ import sys, itertools \ inp = len(sys.argv) >= 2 and sys.argv[1] or raw_input() \ cyc = itertools.cycle(["\00304,09","\00309,04"]) \ print "".join(cyc.next() + c for c in inp)
< 1451780640 111506 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1451781138 962016 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` sed -ie 's/inp\)$/unicode(inp, locale.nl_langinfo(locale.CODESET))).encode(locale.nl_langinfo(locale.CODESET))/' bin/loudly
< 1451781140 617059 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sed: -e expression #1, char 102: Unmatched ) or \)
< 1451781162 995303 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmph
< 1451781179 131984 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` sed -ie 's/inp[)]$/unicode(inp, locale.nl_langinfo(locale.CODESET))).encode(locale.nl_langinfo(locale.CODESET))/' bin/loudly
< 1451781181 456023 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1451781186 279123 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/loudly
< 1451781187 773915 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/usr/bin/env python \ import sys, itertools \ inp = len(sys.argv) >= 2 and sys.argv[1] or raw_input() \ cyc = itertools.cycle(["\00304,09","\00309,04"]) \ print "".join(cyc.next() + c for c in unicode(inp, locale.nl_langinfo(locale.CODESET))).encode(locale.nl_langinfo(locale.CODESET))
< 1451781202 915336 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`loudly Rødgrød med fløde
< 1451781204 325346 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Traceback (most recent call last): \   File "/hackenv/bin/loudly", line 5, in  \     print "".join(cyc.next() + c for c in unicode(inp, locale.nl_langinfo(locale.CODESET))).encode(locale.nl_langinfo(locale.CODESET)) \ NameError: name 'locale' is not defined
< 1451781213 412501 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah
< 1451781221 435710 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert
< 1451781229 47858 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rm: cannot remove `/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/env/.hg/store/data/canary.orig': Is a directory \ Done.
< 1451781313 461930 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1451781317 630045 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert
< 1451781321 166436 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rm: cannot remove `/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/env/.hg/store/data/canary.orig': Is a directory \ Done.
< 1451781351 192742 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` sed -i 's/itertools/itertools, locale/' bin/loudly
< 1451781354 27477 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1451781359 549039 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`loudly Rødgrød med fløde
< 1451781361 565565 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Traceback (most recent call last): \   File "/hackenv/bin/loudly", line 4, in  \     cyc = itertools, locale.cycle(["\00304,09","\00309,04"]) \ AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'cycle'
< 1451781369 176884 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ff
< 1451781416 689352 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert 6483
< 1451781419 378070 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rm: cannot remove `/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/env/.hg/store/data/canary.orig': Is a directory \ Done.
< 1451781426 822418 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/loudly
< 1451781428 255667 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/usr/bin/env python \ import sys, itertools \ inp = len(sys.argv) >= 2 and sys.argv[1] or raw_input() \ cyc = itertools.cycle(["\00304,09","\00309,04"]) \ print "".join(cyc.next() + c for c in inp)
< 1451781443 674298 :dcentral!~IGLC@206.251.40.170 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1451781445 693887 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: WHATEVER
< 1451781492 999734 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh duh
< 1451781514 4380 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert 6486
< 1451781516 486005 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rm: cannot remove `/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/env/.hg/store/data/canary.orig': Is a directory \ Done.
< 1451781533 423295 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` sed -i '2s/itertools/itertools, locale/' bin/loudly
< 1451781536 144145 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1451781542 360727 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`loudly Rødgrød med fløde
< 1451781543 832262 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Traceback (most recent call last): \   File "/hackenv/bin/loudly", line 5, in  \     print "".join(cyc.next() + c for c in unicode(inp, locale.nl_langinfo(locale.CODESET))).encode(locale.nl_langinfo(locale.CODESET)) \ UnicodeDecodeError: 'ascii' codec can't decode byte 0xc3 in position 1: ordinal not in range(128)
< 1451781570 733943 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert 6483
< 1451781573 455305 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rm: cannot remove `/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/env/.hg/store/data/canary.orig': Is a directory \ Done.
< 1451781661 398962 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: YOUR CODE IS NOT WORKING TDNH
< 1451781757 755302 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1451781797 117627 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds
< 1451782512 762895 :ent0nces!~ent0nces@104.238.194.236 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1451782956 972771 :ent0nces_!~ent0nces@104.238.194.236 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1451782971 327427 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-02-1242510803.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH GOD DAMN IT
< 1451783073 60671 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi \oren\ 
< 1451783087 459700 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :under attack by murphy's law?
< 1451783154 694097 :ent0nces!~ent0nces@104.238.194.236 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
< 1451783259 532729 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-02-1242510803.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeaj
< 1451783281 325163 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-02-1242510803.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just lost to Dark Link again
< 1451783511 886191 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-02-1242510803.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :sheik is not good against Dark Link
< 1451783684 624248 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1451783909 734593 :ent0nces!~ent0nces@104.238.194.236 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1451784062 947716 :ent0nces_!~ent0nces@104.238.194.236 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1451784225 586197 :jaboja!~jaboja@acvs194.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1451784522 570051 :jaboja!~jaboja@acvs194.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1451784881 762322 :ent0nces!~ent0nces@104.238.194.236 QUIT :
< 1451785082 631524 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1451785223 670014 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1451785341 866051 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`loudly ooo
< 1451785343 329937 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​04,09o09,04o04,09o
< 1451785349 436957 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`loudly Rødgrød med fløde
< 1451785350 889549 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​04,09R09,0404,0909,04d04,09g09,04r04,0909,0404,09d09,04 04,09m09,04e04,09d09,04 04,09f09,04l04,0909,0404,09d09,04e
< 1451785356 25167 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :4,5o
< 1451785359 944730 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :4,7o
< 1451785363 72386 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION claps.
< 1451785372 193310 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :4,7o7,4o4,7o7,4o
< 1451785379 213821 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :4,9o7,4o4,7o7,4o
< 1451785383 132968 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :4,8o7,4o4,7o7,4o
< 1451785388 645686 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :4,11o7,4o4,7o7,4o
< 1451785395 845723 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :did Elronnd get stuck in a loop
< 1451785412 302869 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's uncomputable.
< 1451785419 358951 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn
< 1451785424 899663 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :insufficient data cannot compute
< 1451785429 554965 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well... uncomputable in general. Elronnd might be really simple.
< 1451785431 410989 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uncomputable /in general/
< 1451785438 669111 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bleh, you beat me to the correction
< 1451785445 51850 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`loudly Rødgrød med fløde
< 1451785446 439667 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​04,09R09,0404,0909,04d04,09g09,04r04,0909,0404,09d09,04 04,09m09,04e04,09d09,04 04,09f09,04l04,0909,0404,09d09,04e
< 1451785458 721533 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`loudly aaaaaaaaaaaaa
< 1451785459 937122 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​04,09a09,04a04,09a09,04a04,09a09,04a04,09a09,04a04,09a09,04a04,09a09,04a04,09a
< 1451785463 818529 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`loudly aaaaaaaaaaaaä
< 1451785464 997620 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​04,09a09,04a04,09a09,04a04,09a09,04a04,09a09,04a04,09a09,04a04,09a09,04a04,0909,04
< 1451785477 233555 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :`lskdfjalsdkjf
< 1451785478 210815 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: lskdfjalsdkjf: not found
< 1451785480 657885 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`loudly é
< 1451785482 47453 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​04,0909,04
< 1451785493 153000 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :`loudly ÒÓ
< 1451785494 553728 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​04,0909,0404,0909,04
< 1451785502 561115 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run loudly é | unidecode
< 1451785504 822188 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ \ close failed in file object destructor: \ sys.excepthook is missing \ lost sys.stderr
< 1451785511 705153 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :`loudly ò_Ó
< 1451785513 222231 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​04,0909,0404,09_09,0404,09
< 1451785518 536261 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :`loudly ò_Ó | unicode
< 1451785519 952315 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​04,0909,0404,09_09,0404,0909,04 04,09|09,04 04,09u09,04n04,09i09,04c04,09o09,04d04,09e
< 1451785525 624244 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :`loudly ò_Ó | uniencode
< 1451785526 796628 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​04,0909,0404,09_09,0404,0909,04 04,09|09,04 04,09u09,04n04,09i09,04e04,09n09,04c04,09o09,04d04,09e
< 1451785550 222233 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo * | xargs rm
< 1451785551 678789 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​* | xargs rm
< 1451785564 77991 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo one; echo two; echo three
< 1451785565 701099 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one; echo two; echo three
< 1451785837 961453 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run loudly ë | loudly
< 1451785839 189505 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​04,0909,04004,09409,04,04,09009,04904,0909,0404,09009,04904,09,09,04004,09409,04
< 1451785848 607780 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run loudly ë | loudly | loudly
< 1451785849 944302 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​04,0909,04004,09409,04,04,09009,04904,0909,0404,09009,04904,09,09,04004,09409,04004,0909,04004,09409,04,04,09009,04904,09409,0404,09009,04904,09,09,04004,09409,04,04,0909,04004,09409,04,04,09009,04904,09009,0404,09009,04904,09,09,04004,09409,04904,0909,04004,09409,04,04,09009,04904,0909,
< 1451785853 572545 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run loudly ë | loudly | loudly | loudly
< 1451785854 990812 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​04,0909,04004,09409,04,04,09009,04904,0909,0404,09009,04904,09,09,04004,09409,04004,0909,04004,09409,04,04,09009,04904,09409,0404,09009,04904,09,09,04004,09409,04,04,0909,04004,09409,04,04,09009,04904,09009,0404,09009,04904,09,09,04004,09409,04904,0909,04004,09409,04,04,09009,04904,0909,
< 1451785860 937476 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run loudly ë | loudly | loudly | loudly | loudly
< 1451785863 969291 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​04,0909,04004,09409,04,04,09009,04904,0909,0404,09009,04904,09,09,04004,09409,04004,0909,04004,09409,04,04,09009,04904,09409,0404,09009,04904,09,09,04004,09409,04,04,0909,04004,09409,04,04,09009,04904,09009,0404,09009,04904,09,09,04004,09409,04904,0909,04004,09409,04,04,09009,04904,0909,
< 1451785874 15066 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fixed point!
< 1451785886 665977 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run loudly é > 'loudly é'
< 1451785890 491002 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1451785895 956965 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run unidecode < 'loudly é'
< 1451785897 387522 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1451785905 682126 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo 'loudly é'
< 1451785906 925558 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :loudly é
< 1451785912 904960 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cat 'loudly é'
< 1451785914 150652 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​04,0909,04
< 1451785928 813950 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run unidecode $(cat 'loudly é')
< 1451785930 203577 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Traceback (most recent call last): \   File "/hackenv/bin/unidecode", line 4, in  \     s = u" ".join("[U+{0:04X} {1}]".format(ord(c), unicodedata.name(c, "DUNNO")) for c in " ".join(sys.argv[1:]).decode("utf-8")).encode("utf-8") \   File "/usr/lib/python2.7/encodings/utf_8.py", line 16, in decode \     return codecs.utf_8_decode(input, err
< 1451785942 295024 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :¿
< 1451786409 294313 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :`'loudly ó'
< 1451786410 602920 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: 'loudly: not found
< 1451786414 525311 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :`loudly ó
< 1451786415 819804 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​04,0909,04
< 1451786418 100163 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :`loudly 'ó'
< 1451786419 380713 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​04,09'09,0404,0909,04'
< 1451787170 229627 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`lodly hi
< 1451787171 144664 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: lodly: not found
< 1451787171 972654 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`loudly hi
< 1451787172 897595 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​04,09h09,04i
< 1451787344 877296 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quietly bye
< 1451787345 646188 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: quietly: not found
< 1451787347 958120 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1451787349 102645 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :-_-
< 1451787351 551888 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have failed me
< 1451787402 294136 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` cat 'echo' > /bin/quietly
< 1451787403 334842 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: /bin/quietly: Read-only file system
< 1451787407 71822 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err
< 1451787409 440302 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` cat 'echo' > bin/quietly
< 1451787411 661181 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat: echo: No such file or directory
< 1451787418 791351 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo 'echo' > bin/quietly
< 1451787421 133790 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1451787423 881855 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` chmod a+x bin/quietly
< 1451787426 356586 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1451787428 765154 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quietly test
< 1451787429 884490 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1451787431 677532 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1451787439 771468 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo 'echo " "' > bin/quietly
< 1451787441 291701 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quietly test
< 1451787442 329966 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1451787443 29054 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1451787453 291453 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like I need an actual character there
< 1451787460 360274 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` printf 'echo "\xa0"' > bin/quietly
< 1451787462 959320 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1451787464 924318 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quietly test
< 1451787465 813635 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​
< 1451787477 959086 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how misencoded is /that/?
< 1451787482 167708 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` printf 'echo "\xc2\xa0"' > bin/quietly
< 1451787484 904606 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1451787487 80048 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quietly test
< 1451787488 250459 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ 
< 1451787490 416793 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there we go
< 1451787512 84365 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries to work out how HackEgo and/or Konversation deduced three characters of output from a single \xa0
< 1451787528 913256 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ​ 
< 1451787530 515497 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+00E2 LATIN SMALL LETTER A WITH CIRCUMFLEX \ UTF-8: c3 a2  UTF-16BE: 00e2  Decimal: â \ â (Â) \ Uppercase: U+00C2 \ Category: Ll (Letter, Lowercase) \ Bidi: L (Left-to-Right) \ Decomposition: 0061 0302 \  \ U+0080  \ UTF-8: c2 80  UTF-16BE: 0080  Decimal: € \ € \ Category: Cc (Other, Control) \ Bidi: BN (Boundary Neutral) \  
< 1451787734 584156 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: because HackEgo prepends an zero-width space
< 1451787772 205012 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha, and the utf-8 zero width space got interpreted as latin-1 because the comment as a whole wasn't valid utf-8?
< 1451787777 226067 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1451788096 608496 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1451788105 879585 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :
< 1451789334 746667 :andrew!~andrew@59.38.97.140 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1451790007 554035 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca JOIN :#esoteric
< 1451791332 765876 :mauris_!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1451791338 491407 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1451791370 377266 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Disconnected by services
< 1451791376 118288 :mauris_!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl NICK :mauris
< 1451791884 962500 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1451792673 867718 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@botsnack
< 1451792674 324718 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1451792696 321421 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@botsnake
< 1451792696 941147 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1451792716 927205 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder.
< 1451792718 221258 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hens
< 1451792718 804157 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you meant: oeis help
< 1451792735 177615 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@nixon
< 1451792735 879810 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Voters quickly forget what a man says.
< 1451792747 127779 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, that's actually a command?
< 1451792751 740157 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@vixen
< 1451792752 110915 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Chinese use two brush strokes to write the word 'crisis.' One brush stroke stands for danger; the other for opportunity. In a crisis, be aware of the danger - but recognize the opportunity.
< 1451792760 685228 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@vixen
< 1451792761 130234 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have to face the fact that whole problem is really the blacks. The key is to divise a system that reconizes this while not appearing to...
< 1451792773 942600 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is @vixen correcting to @nixon?
< 1451792776 371277 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@help vixen
< 1451792776 893748 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :help . Ask for help for . Try 'list' for all commands
< 1451792779 277751 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@help nixon
< 1451792779 710598 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Richard Nixon's finest.
< 1451792791 413555 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@vixen Like, this is just going to give me a Nixon quote or whatever?
< 1451792791 898044 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :A man who has never lost himself in a cause bigger than himself has missed one of life's mountaintop experiences. Only in losing himself does he find himself. Only then does he discover all the latent strengths he never knew he had and which otherwise would have remained dormant.
< 1451792802 923132 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@feet
< 1451792803 359055 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Say again?
< 1451792810 70436 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@feet Say what again?
< 1451792810 491422 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :$4y whAt AG4In?
< 1451792818 25040 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pulp
< 1451792818 627977 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you meant: pl help
< 1451792898 602172 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@prawn
< 1451792899 139882 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :It must be inordinately taxing to be such a boob.
< 1451792923 959852 :bender|!~benderpc@59.189.182.225 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1451792952 585245 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@crawl
< 1451792953 132769 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list
< 1451792958 864966 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@help prawn
< 1451792959 222005 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :help . Ask for help for . Try 'list' for all commands
< 1451792974 278310 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@prawn
< 1451792974 734111 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is here that my cheap workforce of trained iguanas will work
< 1451792974 943299 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :night and day to make our shoes to my exacting specifications!
< 1451792980 290501 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@prawn Can I give input here?
< 1451792980 824300 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pinky, I am in considerable pain.
< 1451792992 711353 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh. I think I've figured out what it is.
< 1451792996 802938 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn
< 1451793002 558695 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@brian
< 1451793002 872949 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Promise me something, Pinky. Never breed.
< 1451793010 454289 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@plain
< 1451793010 841756 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is here that my cheap workforce of trained iguanas will work
< 1451793011 1147 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :night and day to make our shoes to my exacting specifications!
< 1451793023 900955 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@braille
< 1451793024 306745 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list
< 1451793077 229114 :bender!~benderpc@59.189.182.225 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1451793166 375917 :bender|!~benderpc@59.189.182.225 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1451793416 275087 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :^botsnack
< 1451793416 434664 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh nom nom nom!
< 1451793431 978567 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :boilysnack
< 1451793837 840968 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :snarf chew chew garble ^^
< 1451795289 875843 :dcentral!~IGLC@206.251.40.170 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1451795297 892190 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite
< 1451795950 624028 :jaboja!~jaboja@acvs194.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1451796313 200170 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What happens when you do the Surreals with a left, right, and middle?
< 1451796318 640436 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 = {||}
< 1451796324 522678 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or four corners?
< 1451796331 877890 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 = {--|--}
< 1451796342 732596 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :tie-fighter surreals.
< 1451796350 280589 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca QUIT :Quit: WILTED CHICKEN
< 1451796989 758049 :jaboja!~jaboja@acvs194.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1451797443 719251 :FreeFull_!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1451797450 25547 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1451797460 759625 :jaboja!~jaboja@acvs194.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
< 1451797493 624146 :jaboja!~jaboja@acvs194.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1451797838 795001 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
< 1451799619 40804 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@193.86.27.79 QUIT :Quit: *bubbles away*
< 1451799637 682417 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@193.86.27.79 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1451799842 966707 :jaboja!~jaboja@acvs194.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1451800385 452831 :jaboja!~jaboja@acvs194.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1451801070 208889 :nitrix!~nitrix@unaffiliated/nitrix NICK :Master
< 1451801099 988296 :Master!~nitrix@unaffiliated/nitrix NICK :Guest90251
< 1451801153 111576 :Guest90251!~nitrix@unaffiliated/nitrix NICK :nitrix
< 1451801356 519053 :jaboja!~jaboja@acvs194.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1451801374 104658 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-02-1242510803.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I BEAT GANON
< 1451801775 532032 :jaboja!~jaboja@acvs194.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1451802447 761096 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: congrats
< 1451802448 959584 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :which game?
< 1451802504 214142 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-02-1242510803.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hyrule Warriors
< 1451802691 863265 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1451802700 369455 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I learned to speedrun super mario galaxy today
< 1451802985 656020 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-02-1242510803.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool
< 1451802997 286217 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-02-1242510803.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it involve hidden warpzones
< 1451803002 319080 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gonna show your mad skillz at AGDQ tomorrow?
< 1451803239 340436 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: nope
< 1451803241 701652 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: that's the plan
< 1451803249 662989 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to kill miles and take his power
< 1451803273 517721 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fabulous.
< 1451806424 275522 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :To make a lambda, we write a \ (because it kind of looks like the greek letter lambda if you squint hard enough)
< 1451806434 234497 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :    - LYAH
< 1451806550 852933 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the record, I squinted really hard at a backslash to check and it does indeed resemble λ
< 1451807139 742795 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : I'm a big fan of 50 Cent. Or, as he's called in Zimbabwe, Four hundred million dollars.
< 1451807268 588335 :Xe!xe@unaffiliated/xe QUIT :Quit: *.yolo *.swag
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< 1451808928 692517 :FreeFull_!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover NICK :FreeFull
< 1451809027 951419 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just defined function composition for LispRule (a language supported by λ-Nomic): http://pastebin.com/puNcfqiq
< 1451810762 773624 :jaboja!~jaboja@acvs194.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
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< 1451815556 31538 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :IDEA TIME
< 1451815589 316502 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Classical Programming: Like functional programming, but classes instead. Entire language is based around creating subclasses and subclassing them
< 1451815600 597199 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is not a language feature; it is the language itself.
< 1451815657 673032 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's not a way of holding functions in an object; the functions are just there to give the class a body. The language is really just about the classes and operating on them.
< 1451815670 487841 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not OO, because there aren't objects involved; it's just classes
< 1451815696 554219 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net TOPIC #esoteric :This part of the topic was the first added in 2016 | The international hub for magic gathering and deployment. | Effi's finest fluffy waffles | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D | https://esolangs.org/
< 1451815877 417048 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, please do! Either invent such a thing or add to the list of ideas, or just try to figure out more and see if you can
< 1451815891 6813 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: That's what I was about to do xD
< 1451815895 205509 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Idea of kind of custom duel deck of Magic: the Gathering cards:  Urza vs Mishra, Old vs New, Phyrexian vs Eldrazi, Even Costs vs Odd Costs, West vs East, North vs South, Simplicity vs Complexity.
< 1451815908 57332 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: Yes, I hope you do; I would want to see it too.
< 1451815934 781648 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Eldritch Abominations vs Bunnies
< 1451816011 209477 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, that is another one. If some cards that should be use do not exist officially, make up some custom cards; same apply to all of these custom duel decks though
< 1451816058 642259 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What happens when you compose the SYA with itself?
< 1451816099 779568 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :"SYA" meaning what?
< 1451816106 846437 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :SYA**2("2+2*3/6") -> ?
< 1451816112 999143 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Shunting-Yard Algorithm
< 1451816137 949707 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The thingy for converting from infix to goofix
< 1451816141 786821 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*goodfix
< 1451816144 394137 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean postfix
< 1451816186 820279 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :GOOFIX NOTATION
< 1451816195 697496 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :2+2*... ew.
< 1451816225 992740 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, that is what it is. Yes I have heard of that algorithm
< 1451816250 162700 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A converter from infix to goofix in python: def in2goo(infix): return infix[:5]+'... ew.'
< 1451816286 373096 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now that I think about it, it probably just crashes xD
< 1451816318 403002 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it must just crash
< 1451816435 606626 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I read the description in Wikipedia, and I am not sure why it should crash.
< 1451816624 144731 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds
< 1451817187 260432 :benderpc_!~benderpc@59.189.182.225 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1451817265 583335 :bender|!benderpc@2404:e800:e61a:41d:58d5:6060:8af7:e278 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1451818925 781912 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? goofix
< 1451818928 355814 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :goofix? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1451818985 378391 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Goofix is an antropomorphic canine arithmetic notation.
< 1451818988 467353 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'goofix': Goofix is an antropomorphic canine arithmetic notation.
< 1451819216 668414 :Welo!~hato@546A4E77.cm-12-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1451819648 160995 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: What kind of custom duel deck you like to try to make up? (Since it is duel deck, restrictions about deck size and card duplicates can be ignored if it is deemed worthwhile)
< 1451819789 934764 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: there were some ideas in http://archive.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtgcom/arcana/1560
< 1451820017 363151 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, but I mean you
< 1451820095 448813 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know really. I usually build a deck only for myself, trying to beat an entire metagame of many decks (not that I manage, but that's the goal), rather than a duel
< 1451820582 808151 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I built a deck only against myself, it would be weak and one-sided because it wouldn't defend against strategies other players use. 
< 1451820586 857601 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it would be good.
< 1451820722 762023 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1451820864 289855 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There should need to be enough interactions between them, whether or not they are good for other formats
< 1451821117 620399 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :by the way, I was wondering if a "bicubic" casual format could work: namely two players each build half of a cube, then after they comitted to the card pool in their half, the list of cards is revealed, the two are merged, and 4 to 8 players use some sealed deck or draft variants to build decks and sideboards from that pool.
< 1451821436 419433 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the two players take the same number of cards, each one can put at most 2 copies of any card, and in total among the two, there should be 100 timed the number of players cards for a sealed deck, and much less than that for most drafts
< 1451821547 909551 :Welo!~hato@546A4E77.cm-12-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1451821550 437720 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1451821588 744215 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That seem it can work I suppose, if you have the ban list and so on still
< 1451821607 152593 :Melvar!~melvar@84.62.104.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` sed -ie 's/inp[)]$/unicode(inp, locale.getpreferredencoding())).encode(locale.getpreferredencoding())/' -e '2s/$/, locale' bin/loudly; 
< 1451821608 150652 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sed: -e expression #1, char 13: unterminated `s' command
< 1451821630 493988 :Melvar!~melvar@84.62.104.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/loudly
< 1451821631 521670 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/usr/bin/env python \ import sys, itertools \ inp = len(sys.argv) >= 2 and sys.argv[1] or raw_input() \ cyc = itertools.cycle(["\00304,09","\00309,04"]) \ print "".join(cyc.next() + c for c in inp)
< 1451821637 202728 :Melvar!~melvar@84.62.104.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` sed -ie 's/inp[)]$/unicode(inp, locale.getpreferredencoding())).encode(locale.getpreferredencoding())/' -e '2s/$/, locale/' bin/loudly; 
< 1451821640 685596 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sed: can't read s/inp[)]$/unicode(inp, locale.getpreferredencoding())).encode(locale.getpreferredencoding())/: No such file or directory
< 1451821658 450706 :Melvar!~melvar@84.62.104.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wat.
< 1451821680 842755 :Melvar!~melvar@84.62.104.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. -i[SUFFIX].
< 1451821699 566610 :Melvar!~melvar@84.62.104.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` sed -i -e 's/inp[)]$/unicode(inp, locale.getpreferredencoding())).encode(locale.getpreferredencoding())/' -e '2s/$/, locale/' bin/loudly
< 1451821718 669621 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1451821723 555666 :Melvar!~melvar@84.62.104.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/loudly
< 1451821724 872620 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/usr/bin/env python \ import sys, itertools, locale, locale \ inp = len(sys.argv) >= 2 and sys.argv[1] or raw_input() \ cyc = itertools.cycle(["\00304,09","\00309,04"]) \ print "".join(cyc.next() + c for c in unicode(inp, locale.getpreferredencoding())).encode(locale.getpreferredencoding())
< 1451821732 105422 :Melvar!~melvar@84.62.104.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`loudly föo
< 1451821734 224900 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​04,09f09,04ö04,09o
< 1451821739 799860 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :urgh, and that has been the problem all this time... missed it
< 1451821757 189908 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(using -i the wrong way)
< 1451821777 4326 :Melvar!~melvar@84.62.104.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well it would have worked as long as there was only one script.
< 1451821793 448869 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you had -ire there...
< 1451821811 141799 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the -r was kind of important
< 1451821822 561395 :Melvar!~melvar@84.62.104.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. Yeah.
< 1451821827 856973 :Melvar!~melvar@84.62.104.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`loudly 素晴らしい
< 1451821829 486834 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​04,09素09,04晴04,09ら09,04し04,09い
< 1451821883 108126 :Melvar!~melvar@84.62.104.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: ↑ Fixed it.
< 1451821890 270898 :Melvar!~melvar@84.62.104.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Finally.)
< 1451822061 101994 :Melvar!~melvar@84.62.104.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` loudly foo
< 1451822062 733933 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​04,09f09,04o04,09o
< 1451822067 198237 :Melvar!~melvar@84.62.104.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` loudly föo
< 1451822068 437868 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Traceback (most recent call last): \   File "/hackenv/bin/loudly", line 5, in  \     print "".join(cyc.next() + c for c in unicode(inp, locale.getpreferredencoding())).encode(locale.getpreferredencoding()) \ UnicodeDecodeError: 'ascii' codec can't decode byte 0xc3 in position 1: ordinal not in range(128)
< 1451822114 36874 :Melvar!~melvar@84.62.104.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exactly as expected. ∑:3
< 1451822455 144672 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, ban list is fine, and you'd need normal limited deck-building rules: at least 40 cards in main deck, all the rest of your picks is sideboard, as many basic lands as you want.
< 1451822495 609863 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-02-1242510803.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay!
< 1451822593 341371 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Yes, although you should say "as many conventional basic lands as you want", since you aren't allowed to add nonconventional basic lands unless available in your card pool (whether draft or sealed)
< 1451822651 137493 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes yes
< 1451822654 958698 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basic basic lands
< 1451822662 285703 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Two-players limited format is possible such as Solomon draft, although other formats are also possible with two players
< 1451822679 419328 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :since there will about to be six different extra basic lands very soon
< 1451822683 520742 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's already five
< 1451822689 656466 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer the term "conventional basic lands"
< 1451822703 262047 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't know if an official term exists though)
< 1451822704 316658 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, make it conventional basic lands
< 1451823119 728511 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, AGDQ starts very soon
< 1451823120 64846 :haavard!freebsd@haavard.me PRIVMSG #esoteric :Colored basic lands?
< 1451823273 123980 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haavard: um, no. they're all colorless. the rat thing doesn't count because it's not a land.
< 1451823291 664634 :haavard!freebsd@haavard.me PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, that's true
< 1451823302 492218 :haavard!freebsd@haavard.me PRIVMSG #esoteric :Conventional basics it is
< 1451823311 209598 :bender|!~benderpc@59.189.182.225 JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1451823663 307884 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar lowi
< 1451823663 863015 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOWI 031150Z VRB01KT 9999 FEW006 SCT080 05/02 Q1008 R08/29//95 NOSIG
< 1451823706 788987 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and a bit of snow on the ground... melting)
< 1451823823 867098 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: yep
< 1451823830 793953 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar EGLL
< 1451823831 480232 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :EGLL 031150Z AUTO 15018KT 9999 -RA OVC010/// //////TCU 09/08 Q0989 BECMG RA
< 1451823833 940253 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was snow here too two days abo
< 1451823835 294607 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ago
< 1451823858 770945 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I dreamed there was snow here, but there hasn't been any.
< 1451824051 556764 :haavard!freebsd@haavard.me PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you decode that information? I assume it's easier than it looks..
< 1451824304 758290 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1451824337 454281 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :At airport EGLL, the 03'th day of the month, 11:50 UTC, don't know about AUTO, wind direction 150 degrees and speed 18 knots, visibility "good", light (-) rain (RA) but increasing (BECMG RA), overcast cloud cover at 10 hundred feet, buncha weird slashes, temperature 9 degrees and dew point 8, barometric pressure 989 hectopascals.
< 1451824380 486357 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The formatting varies a bit between airports.
< 1451824414 181043 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :AUTO is apparently "no humans were harmed^Winvolved during the production of this report".
< 1451824566 456288 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :very humid...
< 1451824666 806213 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is the kind of weather I was expecting when we moved here.
< 1451824692 448668 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1451824696 527052 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :do finns seek humidity because it reminds them of a sauna
< 1451824709 724798 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :has anyone made an esolang yet where the source code  masquarades as metar output lines?
< 1451824755 88269 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's too metar
< 1451824942 465570 :haavard!freebsd@haavard.me PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar enzv
< 1451824943 69945 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :ENZV 031220Z 11013KT 9999 FEW048 01/M09 Q1014 TEMPO 12022G32KT
< 1451824962 936463 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1451824976 624957 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :the intel 4004 had more general-purpose registers than x86-32
< 1451825567 766579 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
< 1451825668 275355 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite a bit "less general-purpose", though.
< 1451826166 705648 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A whole IDE built in a browser sounds ridiculous until you try using a whole IDE built in Java.
< 1451826212 518055 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: the original 386 didn't have any general purpose registers. it was the later SSE2 extension that added those to the x86_32 arch. in the original 386, you had to do all the general purpose arithmetic in the painfully small (32 bit sized) index registers, or in the limited floating point registers.
< 1451826351 176830 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is, by the way, also the situation in contemporary Linux x86_64 kernels in the main kernel outside of kernel threads, because for some historical compatibility nonsense, 
< 1451826417 806778 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the kernel shies away from using the general purpose registers, for using them would introduce SEVERAL CYCLES OF PRECIOUS TASK SWITCH PENALTY each time you switch to an x86_32 task compiled in an obsolate way so it itself doesn't use those general purpose registers.
< 1451826422 658406 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm SERIOUS!
< 1451826481 495784 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The kernel doesn't use the xmm register, because if it did, then every time there's a task switch, the cpu would have to automatically save and restore those registers, even if one of those processes doesn't use them. 
< 1451826492 840115 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just hilarious, and all for the bad historical reasons. 
< 1451826526 29149 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And this isn't even really imposed by the cpu. The kernel could break this nonsense any time if the Linux developers just so willed to switch a switch.
< 1451826541 775239 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But they're afraid of traditions and microbenchmarks and stuff like that making them look bad.
< 1451826618 212678 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't matter that most of the actual computations of the kernel could be done much faster by the occasional use of those xmm registers, if they just made some trivial changes in the kernel compilation options and the compiler to use them. 
< 1451826645 851965 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because then you'd have to load or store SEVERAL WORDS FROM THE MEMORY EACH (rare case) TASK SWITCH and oh look how bad that would make us look like oh the pain!
< 1451826655 971850 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :These kernel guys are sissies.
< 1451826747 363138 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it's that trivial to do, surely someone has done it and demonstrated the real-world gains from this vague "much faster" execution of "most of the actual computations of the kernel" in a thing you could refer to? 
< 1451826771 424036 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: well, it's not _that_ trivial. it would need some changes in the compiler.
< 1451826793 666496 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I hope someone has actually tried it, or else I'm misunderstanding something so much that it's obvious to real kernel people why it wouldn't work.
< 1451826815 61391 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and mind you, you can put the heavy computation (like crypto) into kernel threads, and then those can use the xmm.
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< 1451828963 994616 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-02-1242510803.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer the 6502 it has 256 general purpose registers.
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< 1451829430 386458 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that one of the processors with a special addressing mode for the first 256 bytes of memory?
< 1451829443 436129 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-02-1242510803.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup
< 1451829477 605424 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-02-1242510803.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :specifically it can do things like increment a given byte in the zero page
< 1451829529 999377 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-02-1242510803.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :or indirectly index a byte in memory by an address in zero page
< 1451829543 245093 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-02-1242510803.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they sort of act like general purpose registers
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< 1451831471 663017 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, I'll rewrite the whole thing in Rust when Unison's process.py reaches 2000 lines of code
< 1451831481 940634 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is becoming harder to keep up with
< 1451831526 109343 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://arin.ga/LttQ8b/raw  is this esoteric?
< 1451831567 635421 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really?
< 1451831578 378665 :haavard!freebsd@haavard.me PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks like a roman numerals parser
< 1451831613 770391 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep but it's in sed <.<
< 1451831720 669436 :sebbu3!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1451837414 312817 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom
< 1451837424 637839 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :phantom___hoover/Phantom___Hoover sucks at ghosting himself.
< 1451837949 153389 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what
< 1451838021 437821 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom
< 1451838023 925192 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :drone/drones are tools used to perform certain criminal actions that were not possible in ancient times.
< 1451838178 833814 :dcentral!~IGLC@206.251.40.170 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds
< 1451838208 345230 :Melvar!~melvar@84.62.104.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom
< 1451838210 652023 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ethanol/Ethanol is a Group 1 carcinogenic substance since 1988.
< 1451838375 15342 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? avatar
< 1451838376 663113 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :avatar? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1451838793 501844 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom
< 1451838795 558784 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zimbabwe/olsner's desk points zimbabwards. it is highly dependent on tswett's michiganic orientation.
< 1451839735 908690 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1451839794 106541 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :woot agdq!
< 1451839811 224203 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: wood
< 1451839828 62697 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's GTA and mario maker and super monkey ball and lots of games
< 1451839917 234196 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :agdq?
< 1451840014 887965 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-29-107.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds
< 1451840057 827834 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: gamesdonequick.com
< 1451840093 902196 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? agdq
< 1451840095 594282 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :agdq? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1451840116 986091 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn AGDQ is Awesome Games Done Quick, an annual video games speedrunning event for charity
< 1451840121 324190 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn SGDQ is Summer Games Done Quick, an annual video games speedrunning event for charity
< 1451840122 944620 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'agdq': AGDQ is Awesome Games Done Quick, an annual video games speedrunning event for charity
< 1451840126 671594 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'sgdq': SGDQ is Summer Games Done Quick, an annual video games speedrunning event for charity
< 1451840129 876228 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait, those need urls
< 1451840173 954280 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn AGDQ is Awesome Games Done Quick, an annual video games speedrunning event for charity ever winter, see http://gamesdonequick.com and https://gamesdonequick.com/tracker/events/
< 1451840178 338593 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'agdq': AGDQ is Awesome Games Done Quick, an annual video games speedrunning event for charity ever winter, see http://gamesdonequick.com and https://gamesdonequick.com/tracker/events/
< 1451840183 50945 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn SGDQ is Summer Games Done Quick, an annual video games speedrunning event for charity ever summer, see http://gamesdonequick.com and https://gamesdonequick.com/tracker/events/
< 1451840187 774864 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'sgdq': SGDQ is Summer Games Done Quick, an annual video games speedrunning event for charity ever summer, see http://gamesdonequick.com and https://gamesdonequick.com/tracker/events/
< 1451840234 659348 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :laggy bot
< 1451840238 587144 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :spammy user
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< 1451841673 571249 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloily
< 1451841779 745055 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :quinthellopiaAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
< 1451841835 322937 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do?
< 1451841921 394576 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :last day of vacation! but I had a turkey tomato mayo bagel.
< 1451841940 946675 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you atlantaing?
< 1451841961 568594 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1451841964 400361 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :last day
< 1451841965 718128 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so sad
< 1451842055 675168 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am
< 1451842070 418624 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :the weather finally colded slightly
< 1451842077 841731 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but its nice out
< 1451842094 957566 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you want to game a game?
< 1451842132 406579 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm cubing with the bro. want to join the server?
< 1451842239 516321 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :rubik's cubes?
< 1451842244 237131 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :on a server?
< 1451842973 941928 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont have that game
< 1451843728 539757 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh, the very worst level in Enigma is a rubik's cube simulator
< 1451843737 13516 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the reason why it's so bad is that it also has reverse floor and swamp and abyss
< 1451843746 127492 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :stick to one puzzle at a time, people!
< 1451843872 732860 :Lord_of_-!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-ijzyxeanbdujqxqg QUIT :Excess Flood
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< 1451843955 490121 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wow, 6% in metroid prime 2 is now faster single-segment than 100%
< 1451844326 430457 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
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< 1451844404 587925 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yeah
< 1451844422 587924 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the discovery of MBI in Sanctuary was huge
< 1451844438 292848 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, don't have to smuggle it all the way from the other end of the map
< 1451844448 140563 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I sort-of want to see a "low% without item loss skip"
< 1451844605 981705 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's also way way easier to do now, because you don't have to use IS which means no lightshow
< 1451844626 665867 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it was discovered that you don't need IS to get MBI; you just need to activate a cannon without a properly loaded room)
< 1451844639 82490 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for some reason I thought the hardest part was amber translator skip
< 1451844684 374211 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you talking about sanddigger or something else?
< 1451844733 205971 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it's some really hard wallcrawl to get around one gate, I forget exactly where but IIRC it's between one of the main areas and temple grounds
< 1451844734 301594 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that direction
< 1451844739 859761 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, hive dash?
< 1451844742 70258 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the hard part is the getting OoB in the first place
< 1451844742 348474 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1451844744 771172 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think
< 1451844749 686696 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can actually avoid that now thanks to the MBI
< 1451844759 794468 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno if it's faster though
< 1451844869 681210 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hive dash is still not grand abyss, though
< 1451844950 186686 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you need screw attack to do the walljumps to the final boss, right?
< 1451845039 972720 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus grand abyss is in every non-grapple-beam category
< 1451845054 744287 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1451845061 53984 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the skip, that is; the room is in every category full stop)
< 1451845116 111472 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you hear about the Wii U trilogy edition of Prime 3, btw?
< 1451845124 234688 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1451845140 918232 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I don't have a Wii U so it doesn't interest me that much, and I'd be shocked if they hadn't patched all the fun out ;-)
< 1451845158 371400 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :despite having all of the trilogy "fixes" which ruin many speed tricks, it is faster in some (can't remember if all) categories than the original because of the improved loading times
< 1451845170 14198 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's how bad loading is on Prime 3 T_T
< 1451845210 132251 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought the only speed trick that was patched out between corruption and trilogy3 was hazard shield skip
< 1451845223 276134 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, they changed a number of small things
< 1451845246 943394 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which is a ridiculous thing to patch out because it seems unlikely to make the game unwinnable, the hardest part to get past without hazard shield is the one where the skip happens)
< 1451845322 78516 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm excited for the Prime run Tuesday, it now includes IS
< 1451845345 823132 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh man, if they could get Zoid on to talk about IS...
< 1451845347 312137 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm excited for the GTA3 run
< 1451845355 396237 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: I doubt he knows what causes it
< 1451845388 867461 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: me neither. But it would be funny to hear him wtf, especially if he's not seen it be used to grab Wave before
< 1451845411 855975 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: speaking of which, I've been thinking of making a web application to store speedrun trick & routing information
< 1451845425 663142 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort of like a domain-specific wiki, sort of in the style of M2K2
< 1451845458 100605 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: TASvideos and SDA each have one of their own of those, and people hardly update them
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< 1451845471 899727 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Two years ago, AGDQ was a small event. Now it's huge.
< 1451845497 67217 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: the first SGDQ was just held at one of the runners' houses
< 1451845513 381658 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: but they're not domain-specific
< 1451845516 420499 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're just generic wikis
< 1451845533 534434 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: how would it differ from ordinary wikis?
< 1451845553 306837 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are a few wiki sites for specific games
< 1451845600 550623 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :mediawiki in particular has a lot of excess syntax that makes using it for domain-specific stuff a lot of work, because you're trying to store all the data in flat text files in the end
< 1451845607 215340 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the text syntax is atrocious to boot
< 1451845654 554562 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm thinking something like defining a few types of objects (categories, routes, tricks, techniques, areas) and defining the links between them in a more consistent way
< 1451845670 869100 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly with an API as well
< 1451845752 82756 :Welo!~hato@546A4E77.cm-12-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1451845755 897379 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like mediawiki syntax. 
< 1451845765 165136 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's nice for simple applications
< 1451845775 659349 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but complicated stuff is torture, especially anything involving tables or nested conditionals in templates
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< 1451845889 444345 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: last line was  but complicated stuff...
< 1451845906 39289 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric : possibly with an API as well
< 1451845910 860161 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :last I saw
< 1451845930 287469 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:29:15 < b_jonas> I like mediawiki syntax. 
< 1451845930 447976 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:29:25 < coppro> it's nice for simple applications
< 1451845930 448073 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:29:35 < coppro> but complicated stuff is torture, especially anything involving tables or nested conditionals in templates
< 1451845957 538240 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :most wiki syntaxes are much worse at complex stuff than mediawiki's
< 1451845966 349707 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this is not saying that mediawiki's is good)
< 1451846006 942789 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but the idea would be to move complex stuff into the domain
< 1451846024 265324 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how much complex stuff is there?
< 1451846048 42699 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The relationships between things, especially
< 1451846059 225467 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :also mediawiki sucks at video embedding
< 1451846077 319775 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is part of the reason no one likes it for speedrunning: you need somewhere else to keep videos
< 1451846324 485947 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: if you really want complex stuff, you can extend mediawiki. except that you need a little php so it's yucky and nobody does that.
< 1451846335 871380 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: right
< 1451846356 662234 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :so a domain-specific site that actually has data models for things is better than a wiki
< 1451846396 106787 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it comes with the standard domain-specific tradeoffs: it becomes easier to manipulate data, especially by scripts. You lose genericity and doing things not contemplated in advance is more difficult/impossible
< 1451846402 977546 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :MediaWiki also lacks a good commenting system
< 1451846429 154494 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :people say that, but I actually really like the : :: method of commenting
< 1451846431 686359 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so many people mess it up though
< 1451846441 737598 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so maybe the problem is that its commenting system is unintuitive
< 1451846500 402822 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't sort comments, you need to remember to add signatures...
< 1451846562 231605 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean by sorting comments?
< 1451846569 950720 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :switching between threaded and threadless discussion?
< 1451846571 90733 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :by date, for instance
< 1451846579 669883 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :or sorting threads by most recent post
< 1451846588 693393 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the way to see the most recent comment is look at the hisotry
< 1451846590 381066 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :*history
< 1451846752 981489 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1451846761 208834 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like MIME types in concept but they leave something to be desired
< 1451846915 643504 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :there really isn't a reasonable way to express the distinction between container and content, except quadratically
< 1451846930 64752 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :or through other means, like Content-Encoding header in HTTP
< 1451846936 669744 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :quadratically?
< 1451846951 66845 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: yes, like application/foo+json, application/foo+xml
< 1451846962 507774 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: one mime type for each container/content pair
< 1451846963 838484 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need a different datatype for every format of the same data
< 1451846973 191838 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :worse if you try to use wrappers like gzip
< 1451846978 910462 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you add application/foo+json+gzip?
< 1451846995 207143 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :since the spec requires them to be registered separately, it becomes unwieldy
< 1451847170 929720 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the notion of designing a "pure" hypertext API is quite interesting
< 1451847767 385999 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: IMO, if people just made html websites reasonable so they contain actual content rather than fluff, and put a few class and id attributes in the right places, then we generally wouldn't need a separate fancy xml-based api for websites, because the normal html api would work fine.
< 1451847775 851017 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would also make the ordinary html interface better.
< 1451847787 298619 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I disagree
< 1451847788 486405 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, people stop truncating lists of page numbers. That just doesn't make SENSE!
< 1451847807 569494 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: of course, this isn't always true, sometimes you would still need multiple methods
< 1451847814 44591 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I think for most of the cases it would work
< 1451847823 138921 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :what I am toying with is using html as one content-type on the same routes
< 1451847835 95478 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the "API" is not really a separate thing, just a way of rendering the same information
< 1451847867 192499 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously, what's with all those pages truncating lists of page number lists?
< 1451847870 807699 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :HTML is, despite its name, not ideal for HTTP though
< 1451847881 657480 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance it only supports GET and POST unless you add Javascript
< 1451847886 494411 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you getting paid for every extra click you get?
< 1451847889 748136 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you end up with things like Ember
< 1451847894 897915 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol no
< 1451847913 392476 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it appears even on pages with no ads
< 1451847930 918363 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe it doesn't
< 1451847933 163845 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's hard to tell
< 1451847936 697597 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I usually don't see the ads
< 1451847942 421995 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a strong enough mental filter
< 1451847973 984636 :Welo!~hato@546A4E77.cm-12-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1451847986 337477 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh damn
< 1451848003 685798 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I started to pump this chair ball with air but I don't have the valce cap handy
< 1451848008 443504 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quick, I have to find it
< 1451848016 250253 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's leaking slowly even while the pump's attached
< 1451848054 417492 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :found it
< 1451848202 330392 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila JOIN :#esoteric
< 1451848314 263121 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :agdq
< 1451848328 664840 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ printf is turing complete
< 1451848438 885419 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds
< 1451848665 977814 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: the fact that HTML's idiosyncracies have made it incompatible with good web design is a shame
< 1451848820 121743 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if the series is a commercial success, then they make two more bad movies or two more bad seasons of it, and since you're watching it in order, the bad parts are all that you remember, not the first seasons or movies that made it a success.
< 1451848946 216577 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: context?
< 1451848956 755297 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you haven't done any web design, have you?
< 1451848961 433069 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :site, not interface
< 1451848982 594195 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: only a small amount, I wouldn't call myself good at it
< 1451849007 639657 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :those job interview questions you linked me, I'd have had to look up details of CSS to answer (the algo side is easy, the webdev side less so for me)
< 1451849017 598324 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: not much really, it's just how a lot of popular book series, movie series, and tv series work.
< 1451849031 780443 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :only people don't really agree where exactly the Dune books start to be bad
< 1451849041 848010 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for some series there's a more obvious cutoff
< 1451849114 532404 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the series is succesful, it can't avoid that death, it can only postpone it
< 1451849151 759048 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1451849204 952544 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :why nobody cares about brainfuck in printf????
< 1451849209 129857 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :M:tG is in an even worse situation by the way. Unlike with film series, even if they could predict which is the last good block, they can't just choose to not make blocks after that one, because if there's no next block, that reduces the value of the current blocka  lot.
< 1451849244 757490 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I'm talking more about things like URI and API design
< 1451849390 108483 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: I like the "the simplest thing that could possibly work" approach to those
< 1451849421 341978 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(unless it's eso)
< 1451849447 215108 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have much to justify this approach with, though
< 1451849450 505283 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly just personal preference
< 1451849452 345889 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1451849461 341455 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. on the NH4 blog, I choose the URIs manually
< 1451849471 904682 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, but it's a static site
< 1451849482 579269 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't need anything fancy
< 1451849519 120059 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've actually never written a dynamic website
< 1451849526 908562 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is due to growing up with browsers, but no Internet and no servers
< 1451849543 58166 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my notion of "dynamic" was DHTML :-)
< 1451849659 140019 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that said there are huge advantages to using a static page generator over CGI; sometimes this isn't possible, but whenever it's possible, IMO it's either clearly ridiculous or the best option
< 1451849739 244648 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: when I made the mirror at http://russell2.math.bme.hu/~ambrus/sc/comic/millie/ I was wondering for a while if I should make the html pages of the individual strips staticly generated pages or a single dynamic CGI.
< 1451849786 634212 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming every page is generated at least once and that the ratio of disk space cost to CPU time cost is favourable (it usually is), you typically want the static generation
< 1451849790 791120 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't done much website stuff yet, but should eventually try to do a little bit more. Not as a carreer, but only to make a web interface for some things I make.
< 1451849800 163425 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only exception I can think of involves if disk bandwidth becomes a bottleneck
< 1451849810 754637 :agawa!~agawa@41.109.214.195 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1451849814 160747 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which it does for large sites, but they're typically using memcached anyway, or even cloudflare)
< 1451849894 788396 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello
< 1451849902 404148 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have any stuff in this years AGDQ
< 1451849917 965869 :agawa!~agawa@41.109.214.195 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello anyone has infos about new eso-lang matl ?
< 1451849955 513379 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://esolangs.org/wiki/MATL
< 1451850038 396395 :agawa!~agawa@41.109.214.195 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is no online compiler for this ?
< 1451850046 541935 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: the TASbot team has something planned, yes; I was involved a few weeks ago helping with some of the planning, but only had a very small part in it
< 1451850047 661469 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that really new?
< 1451850058 369600 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :exciting ais523 !
< 1451850066 3295 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: it's hard to pay attention between all the other 32c3 stuff :P
< 1451850076 306498 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah 32cs was loads of fun
< 1451850084 501567 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: only a small part? ow. I was kind of hoping you'd finished the vanilla nethack DOS tas or something.
< 1451850087 185910 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's heaps of talks left i want to see
< 1451850105 535211 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :though that would be almost entirely unsuitable for a GDQ tas block
< 1451850106 466035 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, was there any eso-relevant stuff?
< 1451850116 11155 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only eso thing i saw was the printf thing
< 1451850121 994925 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :printf?
< 1451850126 170991 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was some zelda thing
< 1451850131 24043 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but probably not easo
< 1451850138 398217 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: well the printf-brainfuck is from https://media.ccc.de/v/32c3-7163-new_memory_corruption_attacks_why_can_t_we_have_nice_things apparently
< 1451850139 19214 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas, brainfuck encoded in printf format string
< 1451850150 908366 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: err, 3SP doesn't print every command, it only prints on each main loop iteration
< 1451850164 38464 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so your PPCG submission doesn't work
< 1451850176 414717 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(printing anything meaningful in 3SP is very difficult, which is why I was surprised you'd done it)
< 1451850187 155978 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you try running the program through an interp?
< 1451850284 364898 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually that might be an interp bug
< 1451850410 466163 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/lmendo/MATL
< 1451850430 203604 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://tryitonline.net/
< 1451850600 263648 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: eh, that's not even what I'm talking about :)
< 1451850660 30671 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I must have misunderstood your spec when I wrote my python implementation.
< 1451850688 690684 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: try the C interp for a comparison
< 1451850704 271445 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Today in brainfuck news: Hello, World! is now down to 87 bytes
< 1451850707 862691 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"then whenever the second cell is odd at the end of one cycle of execution of the program"
< 1451850711 65334 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: is that a new record?
< 1451850715 10654 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1451850720 796885 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1451850722 354868 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's actually pretty major news
< 1451850724 220351 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, how was this found?
< 1451850726 15894 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the exact spelling?
< 1451850733 516063 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it matters for hello world golf)
< 1451850736 373046 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly how i spelled it
< 1451850750 349540 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, world! is down to 82 bytes
< 1451850758 139718 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the principles underlying HTTP are quite interesting
< 1451850766 595966 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I read Roy Fielding's thesis over the break and it's given me a lot to think about
< 1451850777 741018 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: put it up on the esowiki
< 1451850789 206694 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, did you use a computer search
< 1451850798 733338 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: right, I was thinking that "Hello, world!" would be shorter than "Hello, World!"
< 1451850803 462367 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :also there is a new 394 byte quine (requiring wrapping)
< 1451850829 865970 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice
< 1451850836 848072 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :please info
< 1451850851 833794 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: is that the record for positive-length quines?
< 1451850878 337571 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :positive-length got me thinking, source code of negative length
< 1451850911 406125 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: no, but it is probably a record among quines using only printable characters
< 1451850922 152520 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/quintopia/ais523/
< 1451850956 189469 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :(TIL that Irssi will auto-complete my own nick)
< 1451850959 267912 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, I hadn't considered that non-,.<>+-[] characters might make quinewriting easier
< 1451850975 627507 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice
< 1451850977 774500 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Konversation will also tab-complete my nick
< 1451850983 5051 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is useful when ctcp-ing myself
< 1451850993 678152 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: DB Cristofani's is 392 bytes, but the last character is SUB
< 1451850994 459702 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, please reply
< 1451851014 321374 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: are you luis mendo
< 1451851017 108044 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1451851037 677738 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :those links were for mauris 
< 1451851048 725662 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would like to know where this new hello world is from
< 1451851050 493831 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :how was it make
< 1451851105 894629 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this information not allowed to be relased yet?
< 1451851118 123502 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi? i don't follow (i haven't been reading)
< 1451851153 7758 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Brainfuck14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46068&oldid=44542 5* 03Quintopia 5* (+176) 10/* Examples */
< 1451851174 103846 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/55422/hello-world/68494#68494
< 1451851213 939837 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes, primo/mitchs are amazing at golf :)
< 1451851216 863119 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, that is a clever way to do it
< 1451851227 835946 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :print hello, while leaving world on the tape
< 1451851233 678742 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and use a loop to print the world
< 1451851291 659553 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed. plus a brute force search for the optimal starting tape values
< 1451851354 491224 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :< ais523> and use a loop to print the world   <-- ALEX'S WORLD DOMINATION SCHEME REVEALED
< 1451851376 487386 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is amazing :D
< 1451851381 566794 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you so much
< 1451851388 123093 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i'm just sad you didn't add peals of maniacal laughter afterward)
< 1451851442 874897 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wasn't my idea, nor my program, I'm just explaining it to the channel
< 1451851449 860365 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also maniacal laughter isn't really my style
< 1451851525 193512 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm so confused, why did vanila ping me
< 1451851562 707970 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :agawa
< 1451851576 482472 :agawa!~agawa@41.109.214.195 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yea ?
< 1451851605 309307 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :links for you
< 1451851608 655671 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: pinging random people for no reason normally gets you in trouble
< 1451851610 942008 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://tryitonline.net/
< 1451851615 125082 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/lmendo/MATL
< 1451851616 950646 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :get off my case
< 1451851625 131580 :agawa!~agawa@41.109.214.195 PRIVMSG #esoteric :matl isnt listed among online compilers thu
< 1451851643 685912 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, is tryitonline owned by a code golfer? there seem to be a lot of esolangs in there for no obvious reason
< 1451851655 271546 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's Dennis's site, I believe
< 1451851667 888161 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's ONLY esolangs
< 1451851673 839991 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1451851684 550975 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you seem to be right
< 1451851686 818578 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the name was too generic
< 1451851692 451946 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, so you're a troll.
< 1451851693 919301 :agawa!~agawa@41.109.214.195 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its so naivly designed
< 1451851718 913323 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're an idiot
< 1451851735 530071 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: so, clearly my variant of 3SP needs a different name to distinguish it from the original. Suggestions?
< 1451851760 182392 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :something along the lines of "three star programmer with super-fast IO", but more marketingspeaky
< 1451851764 407920 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not very good at marketingspeak though
< 1451851785 273093 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :++?
< 1451851796 335704 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about "noisy 3sp"
< 1451851807 185743 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I like it
< 1451851825 315616 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can add it as a section to the article if you like, probably beats making a new article for such a small variation
< 1451851891 364032 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the reasons 3SP only checks once each cycle are: a) efficiency; b_jonas doesn't like it when I make esolangs that run impractically slow; b) otherwise you have to modulate the output-on variable in bursts to avoid being spammed with increasing ASCII
< 1451851910 295582 :haavard!freebsd@haavard.me PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's 3SP?
< 1451851917 122623 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haavard: check the wiki
< 1451851917 898636 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haavard: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Three_Star_Programmer
< 1451851921 454570 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he should implement eodermdrome!
< 1451851924 611113 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia abbreviates it to "3SP"
< 1451851937 568437 :haavard!freebsd@haavard.me PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: googling "esolangs" and "3SP" gave a single result, a log from here
< 1451851942 26439 :haavard!freebsd@haavard.me PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks, ais523 
< 1451851946 907139 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd actually added a redirect from 3SP to the wiki already
< 1451851968 660878 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haavard: we added a search hint to the wiki's search engine very recently so that entering 3SP into the search box will take you to the right place
< 1451851976 356705 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't know if external search engines even index those though
< 1451851993 430797 :haavard!freebsd@haavard.me PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't look like they do, unfortunately
< 1451852000 641407 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: eodermdrome probably wins the stakes for "ais523 languages that people have seriously thought about implementing but never succeeded"
< 1451852012 433205 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what?
< 1451852015 560881 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a redirect
< 1451852021 622561 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they can index that
< 1451852026 242974 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why'd you need a hint?
< 1451852032 638024 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: a redirect is a search hint, pretty much
< 1451852033 720182 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that's intruiging
< 1451852039 838232 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1451852044 384900 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's how they're mostly used at Wikipedia, for instance
< 1451852044 544048 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Three Star Programmer14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46069&oldid=46040 5* 03Quintopia 5* (+354) 10Distinguish noisy variant.
< 1451852068 747288 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :agawa, anyway i hope that link is useful i am SO SORRY for accidentally getting the wrong name earlier
< 1451852089 129015 :agawa!~agawa@41.109.214.195 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrong name ?
< 1451852099 263176 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah some idiot called me a troll for it
< 1451852117 331127 :agawa!~agawa@41.109.214.195 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if u are abov 1m 60 u arent a troll
< 1451852120 802402 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: explaining earlier would probably have defused the situation somewhat
< 1451852144 612479 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :agawa: that is a pretty unusual definition of "troll", although I can't say I 100% disagree with it :-)
< 1451852166 693660 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :um
< 1451852170 499536 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are high trolls
< 1451852178 527616 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least were
< 1451852187 118689 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we haven't seen them much since the fall of the Dark Lord, luckily
< 1451852206 871375 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :some say they all turned to stone in the Sun, but I think they're still hiding out somewhere, waiting for a new evil master to serve
< 1451852244 861775 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I like the idea of modulating it in bursts. It's not hard to toggle on and then immediately off.
< 1451852283 637788 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then "not hard" might be against the spirit of your original design
< 1451852307 345825 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the original idea was purely "is this TC by itself?"
< 1451852311 181269 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wasn't intended specifically for difficulty
< 1451852313 984709 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just for tarpitness
< 1451852395 977990 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact, I'm thinking of redesigning Platts so that output happens as soon as it has been toggled. And maybe change the input method too. It would be nice to be able to compile ResPlicate to Platts. Or Noisy 3SP to Platts.
< 1451852407 7400 :jaboja!~jaboja@erw233.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1451852553 389622 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, I hadn't seen Platts
< 1451852563 814192 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :concrete syntax for tag systems, along the lines of BCT or PMMN?
< 1451852630 136376 :Alcest!~alcest@69.64.40.177 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1451854332 649872 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1451854340 711877 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1451854379 535215 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: ?
< 1451854592 742266 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
< 1451854762 767553 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1451855354 790646 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1451855820 940081 :Trinity!~Trinity@unaffiliated/trinity JOIN :#esoteric
< 1451856892 814750 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :idea I just had: a language in which stdin is appended to the program before it starts running, thus the null program is a self-interpreter
< 1451856951 103635 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :its funny that you can write an interpreter without even saying anything about the language
< 1451856962 839430 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1451856992 805340 :jaboja!~jaboja@erw233.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds
< 1451856999 52215 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now we can start to work out what other properties the language needs to have
< 1451857028 756140 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to be interesting, it shouldn't be able to read its own source, otherwise the special feature pretty much collapses
< 1451857034 814682 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this in turn implies you have to be able to redefine commands
< 1451857099 618888 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if we assume the program stops running at EOF, this means that your program has to handle the possibility that it might have no more input, and thus just exit
< 1451857128 495457 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this means it shouldn't output in "realtime", presumably this means that we output what's left on some internal storage (maybe a stack) when the program stops running
< 1451857143 228871 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like thihs
< 1451857154 290180 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, that'd actually lead to a really interesting outcome if we output the /entirety/ of internal storage
< 1451857184 970752 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it means that you need to be able to deduce the output from input x++y, from y and the output from input x
< 1451857211 639227 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't break TCness, but it does mean you can't write a BF interpreter
< 1451857246 923451 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because, e.g., you couldn't tell if a program had leading + signs on
< 1451857260 105399 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :without programs like +++ producing output
< 1451857470 480966 :jaboja!~jaboja@erw233.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1451857475 48690 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you could add a side-channel for encoding internal state, like printing output mod 256 (so that larger values could be used to track stuff inside the internals), but that'd just lead to reasonably uninspired minsky-ing on the first or last character of output
< 1451857799 522401 :jaboja!~jaboja@erw233.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1451857851 205149 :jaboja!~jaboja@erw233.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1451858272 942170 :dcentral!~IGLC@2601:681:500:165a:80fc:69df:c3f2:ad0d JOIN :#esoteric
< 1451858547 271067 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1451858857 316294 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-02-1242510803.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :minskying? I minski, she minskies, I have minskied. 
< 1451859082 772808 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :your minsky may vary :-D
< 1451859101 281193 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but by "minskying" I meant "encoding the entire state of the program into a single integer"
< 1451859267 684455 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-02-1242510803.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? minski
< 1451859284 847198 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :minski? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1451859304 399724 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a lag
< 1451859343 506691 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric : \o/
< 1451859352 274972 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :myzinski
< 1451859574 738627 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-02-1242510803.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`le/rn minski/to minski on : /mɪnskiː/ To act as a minski machine on; of a program or programming language, to encode its entire state into the object as a single integer.
< 1451859588 835982 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned «minski»
< 1451859620 20487 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why the rn?
< 1451859754 46149 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-02-1242510803.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :why rnot?
< 1451860287 826567 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does it do?
< 1451860402 933618 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :it le/rns things
< 1451860436 69635 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/le\/rn
< 1451860437 126989 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat: bin/le\/rn: No such file or directory
< 1451860442 326334 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :blergh
< 1451860459 441623 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually wait what
< 1451860461 396317 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does that even work
< 1451860470 878188 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` which le/rn
< 1451860471 694598 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :le/rn
< 1451860481 649006 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it an alias or something?
< 1451860486 423440 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait...
< 1451860492 621806 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls le
< 1451860493 827036 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rn \ rn_append
< 1451860497 577519 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :cute
< 1451860580 186609 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: have you seen Acme::Don't in Perl?
< 1451860602 306710 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the joke, apart from the uselessness of a don't operator (it's the opposite of do), is how they got an apostrophe into the name of a keyword)
< 1451860705 645891 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have not, but alas I don't actually know Perl :<
< 1451860709 848200 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is the trick?
< 1451860829 641596 :agawa!~agawa@41.109.214.195 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1451860866 307151 :agawa!~agawa@41.109.213.126 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1451861086 622978 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: Acme::Don::t
< 1451861268 387090 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah
< 1451861646 927603 :dcentral!~IGLC@2601:681:500:165a:80fc:69df:c3f2:ad0d QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds
< 1451861877 572680 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: the present participle of "minski" would have to be "minskiing".
< 1451862025 722982 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the only orthographical changes that are allowed in English present participles are chopping off a final silent "e", and doubling the final consonant.
< 1451862339 668363 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1451862689 438951 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell hppavilion[1]   I'm a big fan of 50 Cent. Or, as he's called in Zimbabwe, Four hundred million dollars. <-- you know a joke is old when it refers to a no longer existing currency hth
< 1451862689 891858 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1451862951 665684 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@uptime
< 1451862951 968533 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :uptime: 21d 4h 59m 21s, longest uptime: 1m 10d 23h 44m 29s
< 1451863468 967004 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :Proceed with this action? [y/N]: y
< 1451863471 162367 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please type 'Y[es]' or 'N[o]' to make selection
< 1451863473 197924 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ freebsd
< 1451863508 366102 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` find | grep '[.]e$'
< 1451863521 786661 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1451863537 614127 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :itym find . -name '*.e'
< 1451863545 440286 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY
< 1451863579 561706 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :my brain hasn't reserved space for find's options.
< 1451863593 198585 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :swap out some math
< 1451863599 826670 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :NEVAR
< 1451863807 355194 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` find -samefile canary
< 1451863829 286400 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​./canary
< 1451863843 103878 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat canary
< 1451863844 846124 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​*tsjørp*
< 1451863854 116804 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`culprits canary
< 1451863860 209365 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan oerjan oerjan ais523 shachaf ais523 oerjan oerjan ais523 oerjan oerjan oerjan oerjan oerjan oerjan oerjan ais523 ais523 ais523 shachaf int-e oerjan elliott elliott elliott elliott elliott elliott elliott ais523 ais523 elliott FreeFull c00kiemon5ter Phantom_Hoover elliott oerjan shachaf elliott ais523 e
< 1451863897 406314 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the norwegian way to spell *chirp* phonetically hth
< 1451863965 767794 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` culprits canary | sed -e s/oerjan/ø/g -e s/elliott/é/g
< 1451863969 138143 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan oerjan oerjan ais523 shachaf ais523 oerjan oerjan ais523 oerjan oerjan oerjan oerjan oerjan oerjan oerjan ais523 ais523 ais523 shachaf int-e oerjan elliott elliott elliott elliott elliott elliott elliott ais523 ais523 elliott FreeFull c00kiemon5ter Phantom_Hoover elliott oerjan shachaf elliott ais523 e
< 1451864030 526204 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` culprits canary | od -An -c
< 1451864034 630210 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​   o   e   r   j   a 017   n       o   e   r   j   a 017   n     \    o   e   r   j   a 017   n       a   i   s   5   2 017   3     \    s   h   a   c   h   a 017   f       a   i   s   5   2 017   3 \        o   e   r   j   a 017   n       o   e   r   j   a 017   n \        a   i   s   5   2 017   3       o   e   r   j   a 017   n \        o   e
< 1451864042 973994 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :-_-
< 1451864046 958009 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` culprits canary | od -An -tx1c
< 1451864049 641118 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​  6f  65  72  6a  61  0f  6e  20  6f  65  72  6a  61  0f  6e  20 \    o   e   r   j   a 017   n       o   e   r   j   a 017   n     \   6f  65  72  6a  61  0f  6e  20  61  69  73  35  32  0f  33  20 \    o   e   r   j   a 017   n       a   i   s   5   2 017   3     \   73  68  61  63  68  61  0f  66  20  61  69  73  35  32  0f  33 \    s   h   a
< 1451864053 952781 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh come on
< 1451864054 467632 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`paste canary
< 1451864056 327541 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/canary
< 1451864060 22338 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` culprits canary | xxd
< 1451864062 582978 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :0000000: 6f65 726a 610f 6e20 6f65 726a 610f 6e20  oerja.n oerja.n  \ 0000010: 6f65 726a 610f 6e20 6169 7335 320f 3320  oerja.n ais52.3  \ 0000020: 7368 6163 6861 0f66 2061 6973 3532 0f33  shacha.f ais52.3 \ 0000030: 206f 6572 6a61 0f6e 206f 6572 6a61 0f6e   oerja.n oerja.n \ 0000040: 2061 6973 3532 0f33 206f 6572 6a61 0f6e   ais52.3 oerja.n \ 00000
< 1451864063 993746 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`culprits-c canary
< 1451864068 75228 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ 14 oerjan 11 elliott 10 ais523 3 shachaf 1 Phantom_Hoover 1 nitia 1 int-e 1 FreeFull 1 c00kiemon5ter
< 1451864078 832027 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the fuck is canary
< 1451864087 408727 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :see? there's an extra character in oerjan
< 1451864102 786781 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, makes sense
< 1451864120 685674 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :0f
< 1451864125 122450 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is there 0f in there?
< 1451864175 924640 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` culprits canary | sed -e s/oerja.n/ø/g -e s/elliot.t/é/g
< 1451864178 932810 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ø ø ø ais523 shachaf ais523 ø ø ais523 ø ø ø ø ø ø ø ais523 ais523 ais523 shachaf int-e ø é é é é é é é ais523 ais523 é FreeFull c00kiemon5ter Phantom_Hoover é ø shachaf é ais523 é ais523 nitia
< 1451864190 88443 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: because of hilighting http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/f267da928345/bin/culprits
< 1451864310 839819 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? nitia
< 1451864312 58057 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nitia is the inventor of all things. The BBC invented her.
< 1451864414 456256 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders if int-e needs that explained
< 1451864433 95557 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`culprits wisdom/nitia
< 1451864435 704446 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf shachaf
< 1451864443 377838 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: no, not really
< 1451864448 309465 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :good, good
< 1451864470 243059 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ina
< 1451864471 571534 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ina? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1451864477 650151 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org NICK :nitia
< 1451864485 88804 :nitia!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not sure why I have this registered
< 1451864513 802040 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty sure it
< 1451864520 459693 :nitia!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org NICK :Taneb
< 1451864525 349741 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :'s related to that wisdom
< 1451864578 953587 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll save that in case my gender becomes painfully fluid
< 1451864632 306453 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ina would be the sister of initia, but she's not been born yet)
< 1451864638 214009 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ej
< 1451864651 472436 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :nitia, I mean
< 1451864716 763468 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: the BBC thing had me confused for a while but google helps
< 1451864755 685569 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? bbc
< 1451864758 279379 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The BBC is the BreadBox Corporation. Its inventions include, without limitation, Muppets and tiny elfs.
< 1451864795 662560 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, déjà vu
< 1451864810 650218 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? wisdom
< 1451864811 659862 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom is always factually accurate, except for this entry, and uh that other one? it started with like, an ø?
< 1451864829 322869 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: they have a middle sister named estin hth
< 1451864849 215579 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION cannot remember which file
< 1451864855 915287 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom repeats itself
< 1451865192 883463 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : @metar enzv <-- NOOOOO it cannot be....
< 1451865219 692795 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION feels his uniqueness fading
< 1451865225 292362 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`culprits wisdom/monqy
< 1451865228 498386 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike FreeFull oerjan FreeFull elliott oerjan shachaf shachaf elliott nitia
< 1451865282 356020 :haavard!freebsd@haavard.me PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: don't worry, I'm going to ENVA in a week ;)
< 1451865287 52287 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar EGNM
< 1451865287 211720 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`culprits useless_file.txt
< 1451865287 542046 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :EGNM 032350Z 13005KT 2000 BR SCT003 05/05 Q0980
< 1451865288 866292 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie estin
< 1451865293 281927 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric
< 1451865303 139801 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that's the one
< 1451865314 351456 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :haavard: yes but are you actually norwegian
< 1451865330 824146 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was assuming swedish from your name, until now
< 1451865362 189961 :haavard!freebsd@haavard.me PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only 1/8th swedish :)
< 1451865402 441743 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :THAT'S NOT AN ANSWER
< 1451865413 935642 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :haavard: you're less swedish than I am dutch
< 1451865423 371165 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: are you sure? perhaps you just didn't ask the right question...
< 1451865473 758475 :jaboja!~jaboja@erw233.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
< 1451865473 917353 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
< 1451865495 733428 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: i'm pretty sure i asked "are you actually norwegian"
< 1451865506 385383 :agawa!~agawa@41.109.213.126 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1451865517 778378 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`smlist 431
< 1451865519 61273 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :smlist 431: shachaf monqy elliott mnoqy
< 1451865524 113787 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I know. It's still some answer :P
< 1451865533 682884 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :SKEPTICAL
< 1451865585 591453 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you're just too picky; it answered a question that you didn't ask.
< 1451865593 71771 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? smlist
< 1451865594 466107 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :smlist? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1451865667 823051 :haavard!freebsd@haavard.me PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am actually norwegian except for that swedish slice, oerjan
< 1451865679 592367 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOOOOO
< 1451865700 7669 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: my brother woke up in Norway this morning
< 1451865701 927748 :haavard!freebsd@haavard.me PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you also study at NTNU? (spying on your host)
< 1451865730 803157 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :haavard: not any more, just kept the club membership
< 1451865735 821551 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(he went to sleep there last night, too)
< 1451865744 47590 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although a lot further south than you guys, I believe
< 1451865805 276482 :haavard!freebsd@haavard.me PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I see
< 1451865830 243494 :haavard!freebsd@haavard.me PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: there's only around 3-4 hours of driving between here and the south end of Norway tbh
< 1451865833 170900 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1451865835 159266 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hellu
< 1451865845 242255 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages-
< 1451865845 450078 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan said 52m 35s ago:   I'm a big fan of 50 Cent. Or, as he's called in Zimbabwe, Four hundred million dollars. <-- you know a joke is old when it refers to a no longer existing currency hth
< 1451865846 348959 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: this means i will now have to avoid haavard like you have avoided elliott.
< 1451865852 786325 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :haavard: my brother's been staying with friends in Stavanger
< 1451865883 56410 :haavard!freebsd@haavard.me PRIVMSG #esoteric :There you go, that's my home town ;)
< 1451865892 739656 :haavard!freebsd@haavard.me PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't know being norwegian was some special perk over here, oerjan 
< 1451865907 6355 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, haavard!
< 1451865917 521093 :haavard!freebsd@haavard.me PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi
< 1451865926 768987 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would think you were new because I don't recognize you, but oerjan appears to have seen you around before
< 1451865929 589450 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm..
< 1451865933 657726 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :haavard: oh wow
< 1451865935 133761 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haavallo?
< 1451865941 231370 :haavard!freebsd@haavard.me PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am pretty new, hppavilion[1] ;)
< 1451865944 261296 :haavard!freebsd@haavard.me PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least to the channel
< 1451865948 917553 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welcome then!
< 1451865953 786735 :haavard!freebsd@haavard.me PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks :)
< 1451865966 240783 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haavard: So what projects are you currently working on?
< 1451865972 479197 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm automating Nomic)
< 1451865986 941169 :haavard!freebsd@haavard.me PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm writing a JIT compiler for ><>
< 1451866062 338675 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoa
< 1451866066 876106 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo wisdom/super*
< 1451866068 79124 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom/superexponential growth wisdom/supermarionation wisdom/supermarioperator
< 1451866073 444950 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have never been able to write a compiler so far
< 1451866107 54418 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my god what are these people doing
< 1451866110 922958 :haavard!freebsd@haavard.me PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a lot easier than I initially thought
< 1451866114 726362 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`le/rn superduperexponential growth/is exponential growth on top of exponential growth
< 1451866118 669853 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned «superduperexponential growth»
< 1451866123 597210 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? superduper
< 1451866124 664637 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :superduper? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1451866125 204265 :haavard!freebsd@haavard.me PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm using DynASM, which makes it a lot nicer
< 1451866125 364051 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :they've drawn a 3-punctured sphere with big circles for the punctures
< 1451866128 609658 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? superduperexponentialgrowth
< 1451866129 625644 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :superduperexponentialgrowth? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1451866130 438714 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :jfc
< 1451866140 186169 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats hppavilion[1] -----###
< 1451866143 67322 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? superduperexponential growth
< 1451866144 135882 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is exponential growth on top of exponential growth
< 1451866159 542116 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`le/rn superduperexponential growth/superduperexponential growth is exponential growth on top of exponential growth
< 1451866162 498933 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned «superduperexponential growth»
< 1451866165 487165 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I deserved that
< 1451866194 384436 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently smlist is for http://www.supermegacomics.com/
< 1451866244 303354 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a learning experience
< 1451866269 527248 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haavard: Have you ever heard of Nomic?
< 1451866279 798305 :haavard!freebsd@haavard.me PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just googled it
< 1451866286 222225 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah xD
< 1451866297 507284 :haavard!freebsd@haavard.me PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it the game where the rules change, like wikipedia states?
< 1451866303 653867 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm making a LISP-based Nomic rule handler callsed λ-Nomic
< 1451866306 478580 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haavard: Yes
< 1451866309 211891 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? slist
< 1451866310 249929 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Update notification for the webcomic Homestuck.
< 1451866331 177485 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`le/rn supercalifragilisticexponential growth/Supercalifragilisticexponential growth leaves Graham's number in the dust.
< 1451866334 212127 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned «supercalifragilisticexponential growth»
< 1451866351 51360 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My goal is to make a pretty website frontend and publish it on the internet
< 1451866360 166357 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And to generally make Nomic accessible to more people
< 1451866366 798745 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :By handling it online
< 1451866376 245765 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sort of the chess.com of nomics
< 1451866380 391882 :haavard!freebsd@haavard.me PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds pretty cool
< 1451866394 977499 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It will be, I hope :)
< 1451866402 662847 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`le/rn smlist/Non-update notification for the webcomic Super Mega.
< 1451866405 619780 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned «smlist»
< 1451866434 670061 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Peter Naur has died :(
< 1451866439 978382 :haavard!freebsd@haavard.me PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is learn spelled le/rn?
< 1451866444 608372 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I have no clue who that is
< 1451866450 41889 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haavard: We also have `learn
< 1451866457 9507 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: he's the N in BNF
< 1451866462 299260 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh :(
< 1451866466 235708 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :87, oh well.
< 1451866481 686177 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haavard: But le/rn separates the knowledge from the... thing by / instead of space
< 1451866497 37654 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : `learn infers the head word from the text
< 1451866501 610074 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :haavard: there's `learn  that takes the first nontrivial word as the keyword 
< 1451866502 589989 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the "thing" being the thing that you search for with `?)
< 1451866506 707188 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : `le/rn lets you manually specify the head word
< 1451866522 244812 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though it can't contain /
< 1451866536 708346 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe we should update le/rn to allow backslash-escaped /s
< 1451866551 969196 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? le/rn
< 1451866553 154436 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :le/rn makes creating wisdom entries manually a thing of the past.
< 1451866554 451873 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because UNIVERSALITY
< 1451866556 580605 :haavard!freebsd@haavard.me PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see..
< 1451866581 82531 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :here did anything come of that band gap uncomputability result or not
< 1451866593 167709 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haavard: If you use "`learn the walrus is john lennon" it will learn "walrus"
< 1451866595 717977 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: shachaf's suggestion is to make le//rn allow single slashes in the key
< 1451866611 228553 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: but what if you want a double backslash?
< 1451866615 433837 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :double slashes are impossible in a linux file system anyway
< 1451866617 476400 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought it was p. interesting in that it seemed to possibly entail solving the halting problem in finite time, but i didn't know the physics well enough to tell
< 1451866625 41361 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but le//rn is indistinguishable from le/rn to unix?
< 1451866631 687340 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: But it can look at argv[0]
< 1451866681 60472 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ../cat
< 1451866682 518251 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meow~~  >^.^<
< 1451866683 152481 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric : Peter Naur has died :(
< 1451866700 652020 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :how will we distinguish BNF from brainfuck now??
< 1451866706 882219 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :NUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
< 1451866708 614394 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? bnf
< 1451866711 866308 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bnf? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1451866717 968889 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Convergent evolution will make it unnecessary
< 1451866727 245103 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Backus died in 2007
< 1451866732 345313 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So we just have F now
< 1451866732 988125 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Within a few thousand years
< 1451866759 551655 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: But no one uses "form" in programming anymore!
< 1451866771 989999 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So really, we either have  or E
< 1451866772 772727 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: the web is full of forms
< 1451866772 931621 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: not even with Visual Basic?
< 1451866778 464705 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least we have EF if we needed it extended
< 1451866779 132115 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` sed -i 's/.\(.*\)/S\1./' wisdom/superd*
< 1451866782 220952 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1451866796 880295 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Ah, but everything in programming will be extensible pretty soon
< 1451866809 402409 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it'll just be  soon enough
< 1451866814 230067 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :extensible bugs
< 1451866826 327346 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Yes!
< 1451866840 414181 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :We should make EBNF: Esoteric Backus-Naur Form
< 1451866858 25662 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Acronym collision intentional)
< 1451866862 965624 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: actually it will learn "walru" hth
< 1451866874 42560 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Really? Woooooooooooow
< 1451866879 915878 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :BNF is designed for clarity
< 1451866883 716612 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :how will you make EBNF?
< 1451866902 872227 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A form that sheds the usual ideas of "logical parsing" and "ease-of-use" to make something fun and exciting!
< 1451866909 655129 :jaboja!~jaboja@erw233.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1451866922 77107 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait it lready exists, perl regex
< 1451866930 761864 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. Right.
< 1451866966 67856 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another idea I'm currently working on is Classical Programming
< 1451866968 594628 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: that band gap result says little about "real" physics, it's an idealized system in the infinite growth limit.
< 1451866969 680004 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Programming based on classes
< 1451866977 321758 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not based on OO, because there aren't many objects
< 1451866982 606070 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just the classes
< 1451867002 462272 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And classes aren't just a fancy way to hold methods and data. They're the bulk of the language
< 1451867017 72744 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, i expected as much, but it's still fairly interesting if you could get the result in bounded time
< 1451867029 491726 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Problem is, I don't know what to put in classes to make them more... well... usable for my idea
< 1451867070 689661 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oooh! I know how to accomplish it!
< 1451867079 122012 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just start making shit up and work back from there!
< 1451867278 923158 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls wisdom/mins*
< 1451867280 530106 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom/minski
< 1451867314 159381 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? minski
< 1451867315 513680 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to minski on : /mɪnskiː/ To act as a minski machine on; of a program or programming language, to encode its entire state into the object as a single integer.
< 1451867343 473437 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` mv wisdom/minsk{i,y}; sed -i 's/minski/Minsky/g' wisdom/mins*
< 1451867346 751315 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1451867351 85140 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? minsky
< 1451867352 735323 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to Minsky on : /mɪnskiː/ To act as a Minsky machine on; of a program or programming language, to encode its entire state into the object as a single integer.
< 1451867360 401964 :tadaaa!~tadaaa@nat-wh-wz4-12.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1451867395 128874 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( Minsky is the capital of minsky. )
< 1451867419 240903 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: don't you mean belorussiay hth
< 1451867422 360717 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Minsk is the capital of Belarus)
< 1451867436 90151 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: no, I was punning
< 1451867458 77297 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I'm not sure that "to Minsky" should have a capital M.
< 1451867502 457755 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: someone was mentioning in the discussion on scott aaronson's blog that one "practical" version of this is that you can have systems that look gapless up to an arbitrary size, then suddenly switch to gapped, or was it the other way around.
< 1451867550 21058 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1451867551 20263 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: i think we should leave that decision to the native speakers.
< 1451867555 550062 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite unremarkable then
< 1451867572 829984 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: but I do speak natively ;)
< 1451867593 953415 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: well, you can presumably embed an arbitrary finite computation into that switch
< 1451867671 88972 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Wenn du es so sagst.
< 1451867712 42842 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or are you saying you're actually (>=)bilingual
< 1451867736 650187 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, I'm not saying that
< 1451867744 737924 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gut, gut
< 1451867796 145593 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( What is O KAY in German )
< 1451867812 285810 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay? In Ordnung...
< 1451867840 741166 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :I NORD NUNG
< 1451867872 602265 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice to meet you, Mr. Nung.
< 1451867998 261891 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :char ming
< 1451868292 679964 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1451868400 635835 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-sgfkwvrdalhtwunb QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1451868502 811532 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds
< 1451868784 607119 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu QUIT :Quit: That's what she said
< 1451868858 142105 :tadaaa!~tadaaa@nat-wh-wz4-12.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :this channel is funny. i will be here more ofthen
< 1451868940 310720 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome tadaaa
< 1451868942 38495 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tadaaa: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: . (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.)
< 1451869291 186053 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :hachaf
< 1451869298 532330 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :HireFly
< 1451869423 275482 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1451869440 853100 :tadaaa!~tadaaa@nat-wh-wz4-12.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de QUIT :Quit:  HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Would you like to know more?
< 1451869443 313885 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-fatsqrxibcsmfveu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1451869862 864928 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-02-1242510803.dsl.bell.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds
< 1451869981 637629 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-02-1242510803.dsl.bell.ca JOIN :#esoteric
< 1451870328 722727 :jaboja!~jaboja@erw233.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
< 1451870805 686594 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run culprits canary | loudly
< 1451870855 120169 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather silent if you ask me
< 1451870867 520606 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree.
< 1451870871 702743 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-02-1242510803.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is everyone watching downtown abbey
< 1451870877 356087 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe HackEgo has been spending the last minute or two inhaling.
< 1451870886 470111 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1451870906 830123 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-02-1242510803.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't see what's so great about an abbot in the inner city
< 1451870949 572694 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`loudly BEST COMMAND EVER Y/N?
< 1451870951 173991 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​04,09B09,04E04,09S09,04T04,09 09,04C04,09O09,04M04,09M09,04A04,09N09,04D04,09 09,04E04,09V09,04E04,09R09,04 04,09Y09,04/04,09N09,04?
< 1451870956 214845 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric
< 1451870965 521182 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run welcome | loudly
< 1451870969 846056 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​04,09W09,04e04,09l09,04c04,09o09,04m04,09e09,04 04,09t09,04o04,09 09,04t04,09h09,04e04,09 09,04i04,09n09,04t04,09e09,04r04,09n09,04a04,09t09,04i04,09o09,04n04,09a09,04l04,09 09,04h04,09u09,04b04,09 09,04f04,09o09,04r04,09 09,04e04,09s09,04o04,09t09,04e04,09r09,04i04,09c09,04 04,09p09,04r04,09o09,
< 1451870980 817696 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :no hth
< 1451870989 676794 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? loudly
< 1451870991 216682 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​04,09I09,04t04,09'09,04s04,09 09,04p04,09r09,04e04,09t09,04t04,09y09,04 04,09a09,04n04,09n09,04o04,09y09,04i04,09n09,04g04,09.
< 1451871001 927666 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed
< 1451871026 617205 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :`loudly people should stop abusing me
< 1451871027 282053 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-02-1242510803.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rainbow best camand evar
< 1451871027 690437 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​04,09p09,04e04,09o09,04p04,09l09,04e04,09 09,04s04,09h09,04o04,09u09,04l04,09d09,04 04,09s09,04t04,09o09,04p04,09 09,04a04,09b09,04u04,09s09,04i04,09n09,04g04,09 09,04m04,09e
< 1451871030 195532 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo "Did you mean: $(loudly loudly)" > wisdom/loudly
< 1451871054 847204 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-02-1242510803.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat
< 1451871069 685264 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? loudly
< 1451871090 38306 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1451871092 417459 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1451871092 790497 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everyone, HackEgo is tired now and needs to rest.
< 1451871092 973802 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :`loudly are you dead
< 1451871093 629455 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you mean: 04,09l09,04o04,09u09,04d04,09l09,04y
< 1451871094 344320 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​04,09a09,04r04,09e09,04 04,09y09,04o04,09u09,04 04,09d09,04e04,09a09,04d
< 1451871104 827202 :Froox!~Frooxius@193.86.27.79 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1451871110 801104 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? misspellings of croissant
< 1451871112 69617 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :misspellings of crosant? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1451871116 922887 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? misspellings of crosant
< 1451871118 282741 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :`loudly seriously, stop abusing me or I'll call the police for sexual harrasment
< 1451871118 441379 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :misspellings of crosant? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1451871119 185471 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​04,09s09,04e04,09r09,04i04,09o09,04u04,09s09,04l04,09y09,04,04,09 09,04s04,09t09,04o04,09p09,04 04,09a09,04b04,09u09,04s04,09i09,04n04,09g09,04 04,09m09,04e04,09 09,04o04,09r09,04 04,09I09,04'04,09l09,04l04,09 09,04c04,09a09,04l04,09l09,04 04,09t09,04h04,09e09,04 04,09p09,04o04,09l09,04i04,09c09,
< 1451871156 771842 :Froo!~Frooxius@193.86.27.79 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1451871270 3032 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`loudly Night, everyone.
< 1451871271 300748 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​04,09N09,04i04,09g09,04h04,09t09,04,04,09 09,04e04,09v09,04e04,09r09,04y04,09o09,04n04,09e09,04.
< 1451871287 803284 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@193.86.27.79 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1451871308 10923 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`silently STOP SHOUTING
< 1451871309 238271 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: silently: not found
< 1451871315 193529 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat
< 1451871317 393629 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1451871323 839486 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quietly STOP SHOUTING
< 1451871325 198623 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ 
< 1451871390 585156 :Froox!~Frooxius@193.86.27.79 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds
< 1451871769 33005 :sebbu3!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu
< 1451871820 440338 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :very quiet
< 1451871823 203611 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/quietly
< 1451871824 562570 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo " "
< 1451871848 924115 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` mv bin/{quietly,silently} # hth
< 1451871851 946090 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1451872854 992985 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :`silently foo
< 1451872857 378635 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ 
< 1451873758 447461 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ord '\SUB'
< 1451873760 400614 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 26
< 1451873875 933573 :andrew!~andrew@113.97.176.241 JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1451874199 979200 :jaboja!~jaboja@erw233.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1451874288 789123 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : if u are abov 1m 60 u arent a troll <-- wat
< 1451874344 54155 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION grew up in a culture where trolls are assumed huge, with fairy tales telling how some mountains used to be them
< 1451874409 684213 :benderpc_!benderpc@2404:e800:e61a:41d:58d5:6060:8af7:e278 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1451874410 924452 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, a creature which is 1 million and 60 cm tall is probably not a troll
< 1451874459 820668 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm that's 10000.6 m
< 1451874474 641888 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a bit large for a mountain.
< 1451874485 736124 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1451874551 149576 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar KOAK
< 1451874552 42441 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :KOAK 040153Z 09008KT 10SM BKN065 OVC160 11/02 A2981 RMK AO2 SLP094 T01110022
< 1451874560 197167 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is a much more reasonable temperature tdh
< 1451874606 168338 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1451874656 717719 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :♫ Det bur ei troll i Senja ♫ så reint utruleg stort ♫ Det fiskar kval på Malangsgrunn ♫ som andre fiskar mort ♫
< 1451875220 746797 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
< 1451875234 718608 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(There lives a troll in Senja / So incredibly large / It fishes for whales at Malangsgrunn / like others fish for pollock)
< 1451875268 419619 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's supposedly _small_ pollock, i couldn't find a specific english word.
< 1451875319 191725 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds
< 1451875336 508833 :benderpc_!benderpc@2404:e800:e61a:41d:58d5:6060:8af7:e278 NICK :bender|pc
< 1451875379 175707 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://babelstone.blogspot.com/2016/01/whats-new-in-unicode-90.html
< 1451875422 921310 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol on the "Emoji" and "non-Emoji" headings
< 1451875434 822891 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Not Emoji"*
< 1451875998 907911 :jaboja!~jaboja@erw233.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds
< 1451876153 182559 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1451876197 641240 :andrew!~andrew@113.97.176.241 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1451876298 742456 :andrew!~andrew@113.97.176.241 JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1451877162 697734 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1451877189 307250 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Precircumfix Operation
< 1451877195 505558 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :[5]6
< 1451877198 303219 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does it do?
< 1451877744 148551 :kd7swh!~kd7swh@c-24-20-174-157.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PART #esoteric :"Leaving"
< 1451877762 106096 :jaboja!~jaboja@erw233.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1451877921 407393 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know.
< 1451878999 574123 :jaboja64!~jaboja@erw233.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1451879006 330456 :jaboja!~jaboja@erw233.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
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< 1451879524 682127 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rcuircsomybxwlaf JOIN :#esoteric
< 1451879526 930087 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1451879530 478128 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :home!
< 1451879534 344596 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar CYUL
< 1451879535 197691 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYUL 040300Z 36011G16KT 4SM -SN BKN020 OVC045 M10/M15 A2998 RMK SC6SC2 SLP155
< 1451879558 985547 :jaboja!~jaboja@erw233.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1451879950 826787 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds
< 1451880081 355234 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So here's a langauge I've brought up before
< 1451880109 454907 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A language where an entire program is encoded as an arithmetical expression
< 1451880137 953962 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. out<<"Hello, world!"
< 1451880268 891315 :dcentral!~IGLC@2601:680:c400:e360:80fc:69df:c3f2:ad0d JOIN :#esoteric
< 1451880361 448950 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have thought of such things before too (although not quite like that)
< 1451881006 516988 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: PRESERVED CHICKEN
< 1451881181 293240 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :#esoteric's guide to Star Wars: Think about it and it will make far less sense than you can possibly imagine
< 1451881429 552797 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know, i can imagine quite a bit.
< 1451881928 570596 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently printf is turing-complete
< 1451882000 229630 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Elronnd: How so?
< 1451882018 680225 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forget; I saw something on it on github at somem point
< 1451882023 390624 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll see if I can dig it up
< 1451882097 461839 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here we go
< 1451882110 501742 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :"a brainfuck inside printf" https://github.com/HexHive/printbf
< 1451882138 270869 :bender|!~benderpc@59.189.182.225 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1451882195 809305 :bender|pc!benderpc@2404:e800:e61a:41d:58d5:6060:8af7:e278 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1451882227 986146 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, is that actually working with the formal spec of printf, and not just UB?
< 1451882360 209201 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Elronnd: Wow! And it turns out Python is TC too!
< 1451882426 670372 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. It's UB and fragile I think.
< 1451882500 825461 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm currently making the base ruleset for an automated Nomic game :)
< 1451882557 501254 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Specifically, the classic game using the LispRule ruleengine
< 1451882562 894035 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: wait, really?  I never new it was possible for a well-known and used language to actually be turing-complete!
< 1451882576 653443 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Elronnd: xD
< 1451882595 730089 :deltab!~deltab@cpc1-smal2-0-0-cust155.19-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/009695399/functions/fprintf.html defines %n
< 1451882608 222125 :deltab!~deltab@cpc1-smal2-0-0-cust155.19-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The argument shall be a pointer to an integer into which is written the number of bytes written to the output so far by this call to one of the fprintf() functions. No argument is converted."
< 1451882627 220106 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(λ-nomic, the site/software/game that I'm making for Nomic playing, supports/will support various base games and various rule engines)
< 1451882786 533176 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, the software now has a registration feature
< 1451882800 742562 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Registering into a game, not into the site
< 1451882988 989213 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Quit: 1 found in /dev/zero
< 1451883313 957708 :Froo!~Frooxius@193.86.27.79 QUIT :Quit: *bubbles away*
< 1451883334 819534 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@193.86.27.79 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1451885595 30066 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phew
< 1451885604 393321 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just implemented the voting mechanism
< 1451885615 657730 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is pure spaghetti
< 1451885622 485748 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The italians would be proud
< 1451885735 571096 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here it is:
< 1451885736 474814 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastebin.com/cd1KsVJf
< 1451885741 776756 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The formatting got a bit messed up
< 1451885821 201758 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And now that I think about it, it isn't even complete
< 1451886261 729400 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite
< 1451886509 25420 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1451886542 940109 :jaboja!~jaboja@erw233.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1451886599 808121 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-084-062-104-105.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Quit: Terminated
< 1451886664 136475 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like my variant formats for Magic: the Gathering (such as Variant Star and so on)?
< 1451887542 725578 :jaboja!~jaboja@erw233.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1451888276 676121 :jaboja!~jaboja@erw233.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1451888451 352116 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope that I have now sufficiently improved the form to make the calculation of the MD5 hash of your account.
< 1451889771 459257 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"My god
< 1451889808 633941 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This guy took math and used it to prove the Illuminati (facetiously) xD
< 1451889862 908295 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Where can I read about Variant Star?
< 1451889872 620413 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, md5 is scow
< 1451889894 100669 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: http://zzo38computer.org/textfile/miscellaneous/magic_card/star.var
< 1451889924 376785 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree there certainly are better ways than MD5, but I have to use MD5 in this case, sorry.
< 1451890036 987882 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :MD5 is totally scow.
< 1451890280 5695 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://youtu.be/DfnBW6HvNwM
< 1451890417 690706 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yes, I know!
< 1451890470 645697 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, I have to use MD5 anyways!
< 1451890528 298988 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :HTTP digest authentication requires it
< 1451890563 705005 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh!
< 1451890663 445788 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welp, there's only one real problem here: using that prevents using good password storage.
< 1451890664 343478 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you can also use "htdigest" program or any other software on your computer to make MD5 calculation, you are not required to use the HTML form that I have made up.
< 1451890693 366556 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why are you using HTTP digest authentication?
< 1451890733 534683 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is to identify if you have account to post comment on my custom Magic: the Gathering cards.
< 1451890787 358804 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The file that stores the passwords is private anyways so you cannot access it. The file that stores the cards and comments is a public file though, and account information is not stored there.
< 1451890787 750111 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :HTTPS is probably a better solution, though digest authentication beats basic authentication if you're *not* using HTTPS at least? I guess?
< 1451890832 58257 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even if it is HTTPS, the password is still send to my computer; HTTPS only prevent it being catch in between, not at the end!
< 1451890852 233950 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And even then I should use HTTP authentication, whether basic or digest, to do log in.
< 1451890903 197814 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyways, even "curl" program support digest authentication, so you do not need to do by web browser (although it is the possibility too).
< 1451891256 906484 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do like HTTP authentication as at least an option.
< 1451891559 716946 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Instead of "he" your description of Variant Star should say "he or she"
< 1451891710 314349 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could fix it, I just shorten it like that; many document to shorten like that commonly
< 1451891738 106336 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not the official rules, though.
< 1451891763 222333 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :These are not official rules; it is a variant game.
< 1451891894 980501 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not mean that woman cannot use it; even if somehow someone is neither "he" nor "she" is still usable and is not prohibited either.
< 1451891945 470800 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :English is a Stupid language. Did you know that?
< 1451891973 994336 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did know that.
< 1451892022 630425 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1451892794 638770 :jaboja!~jaboja@erw233.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1451893189 228828 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: No, zzo38 should say "they"
< 1451893209 520664 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Magic: The Gathering cards should probably say that.
< 1451893210 565615 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, alternatively, use every possible name joined with ", or"
< 1451893313 445733 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Avoiding such things like that is why I abbreviate just as "he", which is shorter and sufficiently clear as far as I can tell
< 1451893409 704632 :jaboja!~jaboja@erw233.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1451893414 678308 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: You could, of course, use "one", but then you sound like me
< 1451893505 242819 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I wrote it and see no reason to change it. However if you would want to write things using different convention I do not complain, unless it is a stupid convention (such as listing all possible names explicitly)
< 1451894658 83852 :Welo!~hato@546A4E77.cm-12-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1451896414 160310 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I've defined a number #, based off of @, s.t. |#| = i
< 1451896425 346485 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I'm wondering is if |@#| = -i
< 1451896794 389462 :Welo!~hato@546A4E77.cm-12-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1451897159 89026 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If | means absolute value, then, I would thought absolute value is supposed to be idenpotence
< 1451897302 265924 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it normally is hth
< 1451897348 229836 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes i wonder whether oerjan will be appropriately offended at scow puns if he's not around for them
< 1451897369 758708 :^^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1451897425 704778 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: i discussed the existence of @ recently
< 1451897467 358203 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: And?
< 1451897479 937750 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd need to extend the reals by some dimension. quadratic polynoms would have 4 results
< 1451897492 923898 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we didn't really end in a full definition
< 1451897497 994539 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that'd be fun
< 1451897525 455638 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have invented "meta-complex numbers" in the past
< 1451897534 981596 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly some other people have also invented same thing
< 1451897551 449855 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Metacomplex as in?
< 1451897576 726674 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are meracomplex numbers?
< 1451897669 452092 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example you can have a realreal component, a realimaginary component, a imaginaryreal component, a imaginaryimaginaryimaginary component, a imaginaryimaginaryrealimaginary component, etc
< 1451897698 578872 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :They are still commutative and associative.
< 1451897768 620928 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can represent by matrix by use of tensor multiplication of [1,0;0,1] and [0,-1;1,0] and then they can be multiplied by real numbers and added together.
< 1451897787 635533 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now do you understand it please?
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< 1451904069 995800 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :e**(ix) = cos(x) + sin(x)i
< 1451904082 447618 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But what about if you substitute j for i? Or k?
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< 1451908377 220545 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar CYUL
< 1451908377 808422 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYUL 041100Z 33003KT 15SM SKC M18/M24 A3019 RMK SLP229
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< 1451911466 168320 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? snow
< 1451911468 567676 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom
< 1451911482 95235 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :snow? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1451911482 292211 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :did/did: didn't
< 1451911544 112933 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Snow is Jesus's dandruffs, which turns the sidewalks to white as if someone broke a lot of styrofoam on it.
< 1451911547 595169 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'snow': Snow is Jesus's dandruffs, which turns the sidewalks to white as if someone broke a lot of styrofoam on it.
< 1451912293 974663 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar lowi
< 1451912294 486594 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOWI 041250Z 27008KT 9999 FEW008 SCT030 BKN060 04/02 Q0994 R08/19//95 NOSIG
< 1451912651 465858 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do I fix Firefox so that it will use the filename of the page being viewed as the default filename when saving it, rather than using the title as the default filename?
< 1451913618 743053 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1451915689 395543 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Tedius14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46070&oldid=33269 5* 03LegionMammal978 5* (+2) 10/* Cat program */
< 1451915931 671082 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-02-1242510803.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar cyyz
< 1451915932 400337 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYYZ 041300Z 36013KT 15SM FEW030 BKN075 M15/M20 A3031 RMK SC2AC3 SLP277
< 1451915937 624234 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-02-1242510803.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAAA
< 1451916099 539477 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`olist 1017
< 1451916101 516189 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olist 1017: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly boily nortti b_jonas
< 1451916108 361545 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh oops
< 1451916151 939137 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh! 
< 1451916153 76209 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :looking
< 1451916276 777952 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Snow is Jesus's dandruffs, and some suspect that he is the son of Rhaegar Targeryan. It turns the sidewalks to white as if someone broke a lot of styrofoam on it.
< 1451916279 832210 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'snow': Snow is Jesus's dandruffs, and some suspect that he is the son of Rhaegar Targeryan. It turns the sidewalks to white as if someone broke a lot of styrofoam on it.
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< 1451917314 182248 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :boo, spoilers
< 1451917356 184140 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? spoilers
< 1451917357 450100 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :spoilers? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1451917459 355991 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://xkcd.com/109/
< 1451917633 93689 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? winter
< 1451917634 213837 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :winter? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1451917641 501426 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`le/rn Winter is coming.
< 1451917642 985171 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1451917645 124195 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? winter
< 1451917646 96925 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :winter? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1451917648 960148 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Winter is coming.
< 1451917652 251321 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'winter': Winter is coming.
< 1451917653 175991 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? winter
< 1451917654 929511 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Winter is coming.
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< 1451921670 813373 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :My exam this afternoon went well
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< 1451926774 125712 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaah stupid 2048 game...
< 1451927262 313252 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :try Threes. it's much less stupid.
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< 1451927580 98594 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it amuses me that there is a section of the Tedius page that is about making the language less tedious
< 1451927914 335267 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I just have to fight the urge to try and reach 8192 (because it takes a long, long time to get there)
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< 1451929094 364908 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: that number seems astronomical compared to the numbers you're able to reach in Threes
< 1451930323 770736 :Lord_of_-!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-vmwdevpaskqnnvxb QUIT :Excess Flood
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< 1451931278 264996 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi, I'm trying to do something totally insane and could use some advice
< 1451931308 690930 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, the idea is to make the common case of an esolang interpreter faster via not doing any sort of bounds checks, and instead catching the resulting segfault (via allocating memory a page at a time)
< 1451931318 622131 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this requires that I know where in the source code the segfault happened
< 1451931332 210109 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what I want to do is convert the segfaults into (zero-cost) exceptions that I can catch
< 1451931352 692848 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, the obvious method, of putting throw in a signal handler, doesn't work; it acts like the exception was unhandled
< 1451931370 57644 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean?
< 1451931370 901513 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and inspecting the asm at various optimization levels implies that you're not supposed to be able to throw an exception out of a signal handler into the main program
< 1451931400 922180 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: I mean that if I write "throw foo;" in a signal handler, inside a try block in the main program but not in the signal hander, it gets translated to terminate()
< 1451931407 641044 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as usual for an unhandled exception
< 1451931444 526160 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, what I'd like is either a) a way to convert signals to exceptions, or b) another way to accomplish what I'm aiming for (zero-cost segfault handling) that doesn't require throwing an exception in a signal handler
< 1451931462 92114 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly I could do it via writing the asm myself but I don't want to have to resort to that
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< 1451931542 627788 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you show your code?
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< 1451931567 782131 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe People in ##ASM can help, even though it is off-topic there…
< 1451931576 87876 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: not trivially as it's one of those compilers that works by pieceing code fragments together
< 1451931583 730788 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can You use longjmp()?
< 1451931583 946780 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me paste you some compiled output
< 1451931595 971642 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :APic: yes but I can't use setjmp()
< 1451931610 557024 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you have to call it in advance before you know whether it's jumped to or not
< 1451931639 473954 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh
< 1451931646 211702 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: http://sprunge.us/jEPB
< 1451931659 630839 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :see segv_handler for the problematic bit
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< 1451931807 657989 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the context is that I'm trying to make a basic literal (i.e. non-optimizing) PMMN compiler that's as efficient as possible for being non-optimizing
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< 1451931888 915200 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know what pmmn is but i see
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< 1451932043 2628 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Portable_Minsky_Machine_Notation
< 1451932064 746016 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to know how fast a non-optimizing impl can be to compare my optimizer to it
< 1451932302 938232 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: There is http://forum.dlang.org/thread/jjn6dj$193c$1@digitalmars.com but of course it is highly non-portable.
< 1451932317 948900 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks
< 1451932327 562800 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anything along these lines can be expected to be highly nonportable, really
< 1451932332 325739 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes
< 1451932347 988151 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, it uses ucontext_t
< 1451932350 285428 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :beautiful
< 1451932361 872091 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :B-)
< 1451932546 219672 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :however it seems to rely on ebp/rbp being reliable
< 1451932808 728539 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the Function You return to does not return further itself, i guess You can just skip messing with the Base-Pointer…
< 1451932848 10745 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, actually it works a bit more simply if ebp isn't pushed
< 1451932859 407982 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :*nod*
< 1451932860 666974 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think what you have to do here is to write the userspace handler in asm
< 1451932909 523174 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION thinks so too, that is why i pointed out ##asm B-)
< 1451933449 624932 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I already know asm :-P
< 1451933491 193782 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good B-)
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< 1451936710 56977 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, my desk *does* point zimbabwards
< 1451936892 540218 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: jitfunge used a stack like that.
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< 1451936982 667350 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Not the part about throwing exceptions, but the part without bounds checks, with a segfault handler that patched pop-like things to act as if they had just popped the last 0 out of the stack.
< 1451937000 831119 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1451937008 828942 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's trying to do the segfault handler cleanly that's bothering me
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< 1451937023 448228 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can get the address that faulted, but if you return, it'll try to read that address again
< 1451937034 26065 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which isn't so useful if what was wrong was the address itself
< 1451937111 535569 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did it only in the version that had handcrafted code generation, because the "patch things up to look like it worked" operation is hard to figure out in the general case of arbitrary code.
< 1451937147 231418 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :With a finite set of generated forms, it could look at the faulting instruction and act appropriately. Didn't port this over to the LLVM-based thing.
< 1451937395 843773 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :/* .. */ else if (code[0] == 0x8b && (code[1] & 0xc7) == 0x06) /* .. */
< 1451937400 835368 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, you actually examined the code?
< 1451937406 350855 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :As above.
< 1451937416 317819 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :come to think of it, I could just write this whole program in asm
< 1451937422 438677 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd probably be easier
< 1451937444 566518 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The body of that branch is  targetreg = 11-((code[1]>>3) & 0x07);  and then I do  ctx->uc_mcontext.gregs[targetreg] = 0;  to "return" a zero.
< 1451938570 503709 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-crhsxqhfhckuhkvn JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1451939146 888488 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-90.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Last delayed reaction of 2015! WHOO!
< 1451939162 414802 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1451939196 709386 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, should I just put this esolang online without implementing it and without writing programs in it to test that it works?
< 1451939212 409785 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wanted at least a working tested cat
< 1451939220 227782 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and want the possibility to change the spec in case I've missed something
< 1451939301 663290 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ？
< 1451939316 280405 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+FF1F FULLWIDTH QUESTION MARK]
< 1451939345 167287 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is quite the codepoint number
< 1451939347 359512 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :three Fs?
< 1451939358 679956 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for a question mark?
< 1451939415 623656 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what you get for putting the "halfwidth and fullwidth forms" block to ff00..ffef.
< 1451939434 853009 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a weird place to put it
< 1451939626 378363 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` for d in 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7; do unidecode "$(unicode $d$d$d$d)"; done
< 1451939630 63459 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ \ [U+1111 HANGUL CHOSEONG PHIEUPH] \ [U+2222 SPHERICAL ANGLE] \ [U+3333 SQUARE HUIITO] \ [U+4444 CJK UNIFIED IDEOGRAPH-4444] \ [U+5555 CJK UNIFIED IDEOGRAPH-5555] \ [U+6666 CJK UNIFIED IDEOGRAPH-6666] \ [U+7777 CJK UNIFIED IDEOGRAPH-7777]
< 1451939635 371600 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` for d in 8 9 a b c d e f; do unidecode "$(unicode $d$d$d$d)"; done
< 1451939642 83265 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+8888 CJK UNIFIED IDEOGRAPH-8888] \ [U+9999 CJK UNIFIED IDEOGRAPH-9999] \ [U+AAAA TAI VIET LETTER LOW VO] \ [U+BBBB HANGUL SYLLABLE MYUC] \ [U+CCCC HANGUL SYLLABLE CEK] \ U+DDDD  - No such unicode character name in database \ UTF-8: ed b7 9d  UTF-16BE: dddd  Decimal: � \  () \ Uppercase: U+DDDD \ Category: Cs (Other, Surrogate) \ 
< 1451939670 409340 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hrm. The output for the non-existing U+DDDD was far too long.
< 1451939976 808541 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1451940873 303866 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what esolang?
< 1451940900 440046 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I've discussed two today; the first was PMMN; the second was me running with the "input is appended to the source" idea
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< 1451941879 58579 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-90.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ∖
< 1451941881 498502 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+2216 SET MINUS]
< 1451941967 44 :^^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1451943581 562958 :agawa!~guest@41.109.155.194 QUIT :
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< 1451945172 914102 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be QUIT :Client Quit
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< 1451947137 668013 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1451947636 23117 :p34k!~p34k@nat-wh-wz4-12.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de QUIT :
< 1451948173 447262 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell hppavilion[1]  But what about if you substitute j for i? Or k? <-- i am guessing you just substitute them in the right side too.  i think the quaternions are a (real) banach algebra, which means e**(ix) works by power series as usual, and then i^2 = -1 is _probably_ all you need for the splitup, and j and k have the same property.  for x real, that is.  if x is some other quaternion that doesn't commute with i, j or k things ...
< 1451948173 983113 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1451948179 631935 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :... might get messed up.
< 1451948209 4690 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell hppavilion[1] ... might get messed up.
< 1451948209 528588 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1451948237 923038 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION suddenly realizes lambdabot might cut that off more...
< 1451948386 832509 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1451948522 605795 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hppavilion is, I presume, capable of logreading
< 1451948586 138353 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but does he know that he's capable
< 1451948616 188085 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :does he know that i know that you know that he is capable
< 1451948651 732995 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tanelle, hellørjan, Tanelle, hellørjan.
< 1451948732 130192 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bohilybilyho
< 1451948756 423276 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-90.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric
< 1451948808 686125 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: i wish to inform you that i know that Taneb knows that you are capable of logreading.  just in case lambdabot cuts that off more.
< 1451948844 815281 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-90.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Huh? Not exactly sure what you're saying
< 1451948851 529288 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-90.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, there's lambdabot
< 1451948860 312412 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: You know that Taneb knows it? Or just that Taneb says he knows it?
< 1451948867 626163 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or presumes it.
< 1451948889 263500 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: darn you got me there.  also how can be offended by a scow pun if i cannot find it even while logreadin tdnh
< 1451948896 660470 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*+g
< 1451948916 123527 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-90.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Ah, by j and k I meant j from the split-complexes and k=epsilon from the duals
< 1451948925 94784 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-90.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not j and k from the quaternions or their ilk
< 1451948939 268599 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION vaguely guesses shachaf thinks "normally" is punny there, but doesn't quite see how.
< 1451948945 307601 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :the joke is norm
< 1451948948 911745 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not very good
< 1451949006 568921 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: oh.  well i have no idea whether that's too messed up to be a banach algebra, then.
< 1451949031 794588 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-90.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I must walk home
< 1451949034 372223 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what would be a good porthello for funpuns?
< 1451949048 521718 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, you want it to be a ring and reals to be a subring commuting with everything, i think.
< 1451949069 908493 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavellon[1]. is there snow where you are?
< 1451949071 466344 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: oh.
< 1451949086 474535 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats shachaf for scowness -----###
< 1451949119 52855 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rot13 hello
< 1451949125 263446 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uryyb
< 1451949153 529328 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: funpuryyb hth
< 1451949164 271148 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tdh.
< 1451949192 528823 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar ENVA
< 1451949193 147368 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :ENVA 042220Z 13016KT CAVOK M06/M16 Q1008 RMK WIND 670FT 15024G34KT
< 1451949206 620437 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bit frosty.
< 1451949213 817825 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no snow, at the moment.
< 1451949238 409139 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar CYUL
< 1451949238 875543 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYUL 042300Z 32005KT 15SM FEW040 FEW240 M15/M21 A3044 RMK SC1CI1 SC TR CI TR SLP315
< 1451949271 405335 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cold. I bought a 10kg bag of salt for my stairs. much fun bringing it back home by foot.
< 1451949382 823772 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-90.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
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< 1451950590 272536 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Quit: brb
< 1451950613 582964 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: whoa whoa whoa, why would you live somewhere that cold?
< 1451950618 575425 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar KOAK
< 1451950619 279236 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :KOAK 042253Z 17008KT 9SM -RA BKN032 OVC050 14/09 A2972 RMK AO2 RAB28 SLP064 P0000 T01390094
< 1451950748 545252 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: that's like half of the Frogs chorus of Aristophanes!
< 1451950799 70703 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa whoa whoa
< 1451950814 254239 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb knows the croaking chorus from The Frogs of Aristophanes?
< 1451950821 486727 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :YEs
< 1451950826 648815 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the original Greek
< 1451950859 604666 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Quit: Rebooting
< 1451950874 793738 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And in translation!
< 1451950898 568597 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you whistle all the airs from that infernal nonsense Pinafore?
< 1451950908 400290 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alas, I cannot
< 1451950921 566000 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I am very well acquainted with matters mathematical!
< 1451950949 623196 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have any cheerful facts about the square of the hypotenuse?
< 1451950968 156344 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's equal to the sum of the squares of the other two sides!
< 1451950974 593990 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not cheerful
< 1451950980 81101 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's dismal
< 1451950989 743302 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's all about attitude, shachaf
< 1451950995 894699 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're not even giving an upper bound
< 1451950996 615531 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Get to higher griound
< 1451950999 681469 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :just an equality
< 1451951008 773347 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: you never answered my question about dominance and submission, anyway
< 1451951018 354923 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not remember the question
< 1451951065 614004 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric : Taneb: so BDSM is out but how does Taneb feel about dominance and submission in non-sexual contexts twh
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< 1451951069 949502 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :in particular i was thinking of theatre
< 1451951082 907596 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't done much theatre in the past couple of years
< 1451951094 319784 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you think of http://slbkbs.org/kj-ideas.txt
< 1451951124 661534 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is certainly a list of ideas
< 1451951229 442944 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks
< 1451951247 243475 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's better than ideas? pooches.
< 1451951281 401496 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: because the beer is good.
< 1451951305 946283 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :how's the poutine
< 1451951310 779047 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :better.
< 1451951322 422892 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :speaking of poutine, I think I'ma gonna get one.
< 1451951331 742782 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :GOOD THINGS, TOTALLY ORDERED:
< 1451951333 848184 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: CRUSTACEAN CHICKEN
< 1451951334 149785 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know anywhere to get poutine
< 1451951334 866474 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric
< 1451951337 544445 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops
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< 1451951457 721443 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: you should read that book, it's great
< 1451951529 622082 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will bear that in mind
< 1451951561 819378 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately I have exams right now
< 1451951724 943370 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1451951852 313474 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell boily There was snow here, until a few days ago. Which is weird, because Alaska.
< 1451951852 577738 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1451951888 414184 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't seen it snow since 2011
< 1451952406 815254 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds
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< 1451952842 429933 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've seen snow on a couple of random days in late 2015
< 1451952853 683242 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, october/novemberish
< 1451952976 314535 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1451953239 354295 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders why Stack Exchange's TOS refers to the user accepting the TOS using the pronoun "it"
< 1451953249 946827 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :most such legal documents I've seen just repeat the noun rather than using pronouns
< 1451953257 293206 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to avoid such awkward phrasing
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< 1451953987 550667 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-02-1242510803.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar cyyz
< 1451953988 102621 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYYZ 050000Z 01009KT 15SM SKC M13/M22 A3053 RMK SLP355
< 1451954149 253700 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-02-1242510803.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar cytz
< 1451954149 689457 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYTZ 050000Z AUTO 32007KT 300V360 9SM CLR M12/M20 A3056 RMK SLP357
< 1451954211 369766 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-02-1242510803.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :a bit warmer by the laek
< 1451954230 999609 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-02-1242510803.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/ek/ke
< 1451954391 872106 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-02-1242510803.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need something to sort the unicode characters in a file
< 1451954479 731897 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-02-1242510803.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I soppose I could just put each character on a line by itself, then run sort, then delete the linebreaks
< 1451955296 724344 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-02-1242510803.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah. GNU fold doesn't do utf8 righjt
< 1451955517 435052 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-crhsxqhfhckuhkvn QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity
< 1451955555 445469 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-02-1242510803.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :HA! since the'yre all kanji, fold -b60 or any other multiple of 3 works
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< 1451956832 400519 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-02-1242510803.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok. so: cat kanjilist | tr -d '\n' | fold -b3 | sort -u | tr -d '\n' | fold -b60 >sortedkanjilist
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< 1451957635 142551 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what did you mean by appending input?
< 1451957666 38899 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :before running the program, the interp reads the entirety of stdin and appends that to the program
< 1451957678 705491 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :in what language?
< 1451957680 865970 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also there's no introspection/redlection
< 1451957684 570074 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*reflection
< 1451957706 472393 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you have to redefine every character that could appear in the input to handle itslef
< 1451957710 281558 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a new esolang I'm working on
< 1451957720 179657 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's called Takeover
< 1451957727 915934 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. i get it.
< 1451957744 175288 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like fun.
< 1451958209 795384 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-02-1242510803.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :by character, do you mean unicode characters or bytes?
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< 1451959782 504769 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: it seems that fold cannot handle multibyte characters of UTF-8 or whatsoever anyway
< 1451959793 510318 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, even not locale-dependent
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< 1451963072 263998 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a place I can find the original "A Programming Language" by Kenneth E Iverson for free online?
< 1451963085 559382 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Preferably legitimately?
< 1451963095 797085 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :adu: I found a problem with generalized hyperoperations
< 1451963312 95497 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, found it
< 1451963367 164487 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi hppavilion[1] 
< 1451963377 560515 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: what problem?
< 1451963378 762963 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hadu
< 1451963412 421326 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :adu: Well, I assume we want negative hyperoperations to be the inverse of the positives, correct? So x-y, x/y, etc. would be negative hyperoperations
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< 1451963426 565556 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1451963429 326007 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That leads to the issue of Pred(x). Where is it? 0 is already S(x)
< 1451963430 74494 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh
< 1451963443 418107 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :adu: What would they be then
< 1451963444 297790 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1451963459 687351 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are hyperN, hyperNroots, hyperNlogarithms, which would you choose for negatives, roots or logs?
< 1451963505 3035 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :adu: That's another problem I was going to cover xD
< 1451963518 51424 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-02-1242510803.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently a portable lithium battery can also be used as a lightweight incendiary grenade.
< 1451963520 15308 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hyper2roots and hyper2logs are both division
< 1451963530 67939 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hyper3roots are surds/radicals
< 1451963539 629221 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hyper3logs are the traditional "logarithm"
< 1451963559 493573 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :adu: Perhaps we're looking at it wrong?
< 1451963570 359355 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps it's not so much a number line we're going for as a number... tripod?
< 1451963576 266263 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hyper4-x is generally called super-x, i.e. super-roots and super-logarithms
< 1451963588 247970 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: no tripod
< 1451963598 762774 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Three rays going in directions 120 degrees from each other?
< 1451963604 615844 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: they're indexed by natural numbers, no negatives are required at all
< 1451963622 290698 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :adu: Logs/roots are?
< 1451963643 290700 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: why are you forcing three sets indexed by natural numbers into an structure that doesn't even represent them? stop forcing things to be something they're not
< 1451963668 136341 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :adu: I'm just thinking about uberoperations xD
< 1451963699 40305 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: for any function f(x, y) there are two inverse functions, f^(-1, 0)(x, y), and f^(0, -1)(x, y)
< 1451963736 518950 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :adu: I'm simply making an attempt to generalize the hyperoperations
< 1451963745 555491 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't put those on a number line, because it's 2D
< 1451963754 209603 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whihc is, of course, what you're trying to do too
< 1451963766 305106 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are quadrillions of mappings between 1D and 2D
< 1451963772 326904 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which one do you choose?
< 1451963772 758202 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :adu: Out of curiousity, what's f^(-1, -1)(x, y) equal to?
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< 1451963784 924310 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: depends on the function
< 1451963819 6646 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :adu: I choose to forgo the concept of lines for my hyperoperations and instead have positive numbers, fooative numbers, and barative numbers
< 1451963832 774298 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or fooative numbers, barative numbers, and bazative numbers
< 1451963836 998957 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fooative? barative?
< 1451963860 261056 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It makes no sense, but it's mathematically rigorous AFAICT and at least usable
< 1451963868 888012 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to post this convo to the TetrationForum
< 1451963869 350894 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :adu: I'm not very good at naming things
< 1451963874 526536 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes
< 1451963875 830997 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You do
< 1451963879 303467 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1451963916 786366 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :adu: But I think tripod numbers would at least be more useful for generalized hyperoperations than linear numbers are
< 1451963949 895824 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tripod numbers are written *x, &x, and $x
< 1451963967 615960 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And there's some sort of logical transformation between them. Or maybe not, maybe we don't need it.
< 1451964007 857850 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, perhaps, $&x -> *x, or something like that
< 1451964039 351406 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is a place for alternative extensions from Integers to Complexes, but IMHO, it's not going to be very popular
< 1451964058 558497 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :adu: Yes, and the Hyperoperations might just be that place
< 1451964070 410223 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so far the only extensions that have any sticking-power among mathematicians are "regular" and "intuitive"
< 1451964081 249830 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :adu: I mean, how else do we encode negative hyperoperations? I don't see any way they could be anything /but/ the inverse operations
< 1451964095 164721 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: what is a negative hyperoperations?
< 1451964108 940448 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're undefined, what's wrong with that?
< 1451964110 859348 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :adu: a[n]b where n<0
< 1451964118 624272 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :adu: Because it's less fun that way?
< 1451964152 651970 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :$&x -> *x, &$x -> *x; $*x -> &x, *$x -> &x; &*x -> $x, *&x -> $x might work
< 1451964155 230827 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: well, if I were to define them, I would try and continue with the standard recursion rule
< 1451964163 166788 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :adu: Yes, of course
< 1451964181 297651 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :adu: Then again, you can't do recursion like that with the reals
< 1451964187 448704 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that doesn't work so well with the (x -> x +1) function
< 1451964218 42011 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it doesn't break down like the other operations
< 1451964220 623033 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm not generalizing to the integers, I'm generalizing to the reals)
< 1451964271 217018 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :adu: Hm... Perhaps n[0]m = 0, and n[1]m = n moved away from 0 by m, etc.? It's in line with the original hyperoperations, AFIACT, but not with standard arithmetic
< 1451964286 745728 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, shit, forgot to do &&, $$, and **
< 1451964306 908913 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :&& -> $, $$ -> *, ** -> & or something
< 1451964323 278260 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any continuous hyperoperation sequence would also have to have a definition of the "etas"
< 1451964326 327323 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's rotating clockwise 120 degrees instead of 180 degrees, if that makes any sense
< 1451964337 893101 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :adu: The "eta"s?
< 1451964366 782498 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Of course, you could also go anticlockwise, but then again, you could also just rotate the graph. Really, it's a matter of arbitrary choice)
< 1451964410 657096 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :eta_N = [0, 1, e^(1/e), 1.6353, ...] and their counterparts eulers_N = [0, 1, e, 3.0885, ...]
< 1451964609 220437 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :adu: I don't think that's how ... works
< 1451964631 500340 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think ... needs to follow a sequence that the reader has already picked up the pattern in
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< 1451969449 389113 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-02-1242510803.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :QC has warped to the yeah 20016!!
< 1451969457 206630 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-02-1242510803.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/yeah/year
< 1451969558 950160 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-02-1242510803.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: he means the identities for the two reverse operations
< 1451969567 552841 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-02-1242510803.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something
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< 1451971138 537721 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: more like the year 216
< 1451971140 718719 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still cool
< 1451971162 926330 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I see
< 1451971170 932066 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :Downloading and saving in case it gets fixed
< 1451971186 21271 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :year 2e16
< 1451971196 40937 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whether it's hexadecimal or decimal
< 1451971267 661776 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :`printf 2; for i in ${0..16}; do printf 0; done
< 1451971274 671817 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2; for i in ${0..16}; do printf 0; done
< 1451971278 793584 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :``printf 2; for i in ${0..16}; do printf 0; done
< 1451971280 333337 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: `printf: not found
< 1451971288 304726 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1451971330 916066 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :``echo $0
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< 1451971338 484663 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :wot?
< 1451971342 724957 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :``ls bin
< 1451971343 715923 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: `ls: not found
< 1451971358 666623 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ohhhhhhh
< 1451971359 307428 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`printf 2%016d 0
< 1451971360 482621 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :20000000000000000 0
< 1451971365 790532 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat
< 1451971380 416916 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :`printf 2%016d 0
< 1451971381 340094 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :20000000000000000 0
< 1451971394 735958 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`printf %x 123
< 1451971395 769110 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 123
< 1451971400 71163 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1451971410 391154 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo $0
< 1451971411 294519 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​$0
< 1451971420 637789 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric ::c
< 1451971507 738855 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja TOPIC #esoteric :This part of the topic was the first added in 2016 | The international hub for magic gathering and deployment. | Effi's finest fluffy waffles | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D | https://esolangs.org/ | This part of the topic was the second added in 2016
< 1451971653 914861 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I can invent the card game a bit like Magic: the Gathering card and Pokemon card and whatever but it is new game, can be call Freecard; I want to avoid the problem made with other designs, by doing in the right way, which means it must be open-source and card game rule play with paper and computer are designed together to ensure it work, and mathematically elegant too.
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< 1451973699 38344 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :man, usialtgr is the best keyboard layout
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< 1451975339 515281 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you sure?
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< 1451983284 802470 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Call stack/Manipulation14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=46071 5* 03Mroman 5* (+585) 10Wouldn't you need to push the current function instead?
< 1451983364 475781 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Call stack/Manipulation14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46072&oldid=46071 5* 03Mroman 5* (+6) 10* wiki format
< 1451983446 538436 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://dpaste.de/3tGJ/raw  I found this in a Chinese spam message
< 1451983614 983016 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :The email has something to do with Falun Gong
< 1451983707 915148 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :It links to some website talking against the chinese communist party
< 1451983792 101751 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :They are neither communist nor a party, from what I have heard.
< 1451983848 373985 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Call stack14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46073&oldid=46063 5* 03Mroman 5* (+991) 10buffering calls & x86
< 1451983973 503687 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is a spiritual movement afaik
< 1451984255 279583 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A man was giving out Falun Gong leaflets at the door of the British Museum.
< 1451984449 815896 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.191 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1451984459 951195 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.191 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I presume there are garbage collectors that have a list of pointers to objects
< 1451984467 813322 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.191 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or a table the form of
< 1451984472 45629 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.191 PRIVMSG #esoteric :| POINTER | LIVE
< 1451984512 911068 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.191 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then at some point they scan through the stack space and mark all objecs as live and check for references from these live objects to other objects
< 1451984519 525131 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.191 PRIVMSG #esoteric :marking every object reachable as live
< 1451984533 719683 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.191 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then just delete all non-live objects
< 1451984579 144161 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.191 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so basically it would be an array of struct gc_entry { object* obj; bool alive; }
< 1451984617 920925 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.191 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and each object knows the index of it's gc entry
< 1451984630 526424 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.191 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in case somebody wants to manually free certain objects at a very specific point
< 1451984640 808711 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.191 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@massages-load
< 1451984641 41633 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily said 9d 13h 50m 54s ago: I mapole you.
< 1451984641 200818 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily said 9d 13h 50m 25s ago: (with great force and momentum, might I add.)
< 1451984641 200932 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily said 9d 13h 50m 19s ago: (tsé.)
< 1451984641 200956 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily asked 3d 10h 9m 59s ago: mrhelloman. underdeveloped aliens?
< 1451984649 662768 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.191 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what
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< 1451985301 128067 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.191 PRIVMSG #esoteric : "A good chunk of the web today (and particularly the mobile web) effectively relies on -webkit prefixed CSS properties & features. We wish we lived in a world where web content always included standards-based fallback (or at least multiple-vendor-prefixed fallback), but alas, we do not live in that world. To be successful at rendering the web as it exists, we need to add support for a list of frequently-used -webkit prefixed CSS properties & features."
< 1451985307 47223 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.191 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah
< 1451985315 889279 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.191 PRIVMSG #esoteric :google should just severly punish websites that don't use proper HTML/CSS
< 1451985316 48190 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I'm just wondering what the code from the email is
< 1451985349 942768 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.191 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If your site's rank sinks because you don't use proper HTML/CSS than that would be an incentive to change that.
< 1451985367 818186 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.191 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that would be only fair
< 1451985377 138876 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.191 PRIVMSG #esoteric :since webpages should generally be viewable in any compliant browser
< 1451985397 571272 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :best viewed with
< 1451985427 432934 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.191 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it makes sense that a search engine takes the portability of a webpage into account.
< 1451985443 312461 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://freefull.github.io/dice.html Is this proper HTML/CSS/Javascript ?
< 1451985488 151376 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :They are trying to define the webpage rendering too much inside the webpage, even though it should depend on user settings instead.
< 1451985515 41337 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.191 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: totally agree.
< 1451985596 554715 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.191 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it totally pisses me off that pandoc doesn't generate valid HTML
< 1451985672 822418 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then fix pandoc
< 1451985764 549260 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The other thing I would try to do though is to intend that the service can also be used from commandline (with curl, SQLite, or otherwise) as well and don't necessarily require the web browser; clean HTML writing is also help with such thing, although many of my files I make as plain text since many thing I don't even need HTML anyways.
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< 1451986065 510784 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: Sometimes it's just random garbage to confuse things that detect spam by exact comparisons.
< 1451986097 759739 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Could be
< 1451986374 771270 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Once I wrote the spam filter that worked by looking for the stuff that was used to avoid spam detection, and other strange stuff (multiple tabs in the subject line, large numbers of spaces in the subject line, non-ASCII subject lines, base64-encoded HTML, etc)
< 1451986439 327667 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The distribution looks approximately the sort of thing you get if you pick uniformly random characters from the alphabet [A-Za-z0-9 ].
< 1451986477 184314 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.191 PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like html5 output is more valid
< 1451986523 434202 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.191 PRIVMSG #esoteric :E-Mails shouldn't contain HTML anyway
< 1451986525 471797 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.191 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1451986564 722642 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I agree it should preferably be plaintext
< 1451986580 373773 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some people program their computer to reject HTML email
< 1451988945 980437 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.191 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there should be more of those
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< 1451994184 15104 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom
< 1451994191 491275 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bfjoust/bfjoust is a spamming tool for #esoteric.
< 1451994197 293723 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@massages-loud
< 1451994197 581767 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1] said 11h 45m 45s ago: There was snow here, until a few days ago. Which is weird, because Alaska.
< 1451994347 508174 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@snow
< 1451994347 728116 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :""
< 1451994356 731334 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar CYUL
< 1451994357 481871 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYUL 051105Z 24005KT 15SM FEW008 M20/M23 A3063 RMK SF1 SLP378 DENSITY ALT MISG
< 1451994372 729651 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar LOWI
< 1451994373 278685 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOWI 051120Z 26005KT 180V310 9999 FEW012 SCT070 BKN090 03/00 Q0999 R08/19//95 NOSIG
< 1451994400 600323 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? winter
< 1451994401 654983 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Winter is coming.
< 1451994605 790322 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar ESSB
< 1451994606 204015 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :ESSB 051120Z 04006KT 9999 -SN FEW003 SCT007 M08/M11 Q1009 R12/29//60
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< 1451994632 991710 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forget how to read metars
< 1451994649 234157 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION isolates the temperature, skips the rest
< 1451994748 626810 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :light snow; few clouds at 300 feet; scattered clouds at 700 feet; pressure 1009 hPa; 04006KT is wind (from 040, 6 knots) and 9999 is visibility on the ground
< 1451994858 862994 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :15sm, hmm
< 1451994890 708964 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, also visibility, with unit
< 1451994895 503275 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1451995014 620622 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure M20 still counts as "is coming".
< 1451995017 203738 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar EGLL
< 1451995017 872500 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :EGLL 051150Z AUTO 21009KT 180V260 9999 SCT005 09/07 Q0984 NOSIG
< 1451995024 959543 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No sign of it here.
< 1451995059 931537 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's snow in Finland, or so I hear.
< 1451995061 852876 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar EFHK
< 1451995062 663754 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :EFHK 051150Z 36007KT 9999 FEW020 BKN065 BKN200 M18/M21 Q1007 NOSIG
< 1451995071 68355 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brrr.
< 1451995114 448079 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's almost a 30-degree difference in temperatures.
< 1451995208 299013 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is the portal co-op a free co-op, or one where the players are restricted on which buttons they push on the controller?
< 1451995264 64685 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Portal 2? Pretty sure both players have full control
< 1451995272 132574 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :great
< 1451995277 281280 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :On PC it's online multiplayer, so each player plays on a separate computer
< 1451995282 562445 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :with full controls etc
< 1451995282 769274 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, I see
< 1451995301 705745 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they're controlling two different in-game humanoid characters?
< 1451995310 971568 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep
< 1451995320 242045 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice, I didn't know portal 2 could do that
< 1451995340 423705 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well "humanoid"--they're robots specifically designed for the co-op
< 1451995357 887317 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than two clones of Chell
< 1451995413 756599 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This will be interesting, I think I haven't seen this in previous GDQs, although Portal 2 is fast-paced 3D first-person with people jumping around in portals like crazy so I can't usually follow what happens on the screen.
< 1451995480 150667 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what the Super Mario Maker will be like.
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< 1451995525 759888 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The GTA 3 any% run will be interesting. So many nice bugs exhibited!
< 1451995595 751493 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And of course, the 3D Legend of Zelda games are always amazing.
< 1451995887 715096 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially blindfolded
< 1451995932 950738 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's blindfolded punch-out this year, hopefully that'll be great too
< 1451996813 393604 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, on a console, or just two blindfolded people in a room trying to punch each other? 
< 1451996856 99322 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :On a console :p
< 1451997027 271481 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSr3aXd4XuQ#t=5m45s
< 1451997118 416404 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1451998339 405097 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cloudbuilt looks pretty fun
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< 1451999307 675077 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: Sounds like a web technology.
< 1452000093 176105 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"it is very fast paced and high difficulty and emphasis on acrobatic control"... sounds a bit too serious to be fun ;)
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< 1452007272 835039 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Beeswax14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46074&oldid=45976 5* 03Albedo 5* (+249) 10major overhaul of the layout
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< 1452007312 970728 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Beeswax14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46075&oldid=46074 5* 03Albedo 5* (+0) 10/* Table with all cloning and deletion directions */  typo
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< 1452009235 937165 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Tonoco14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46076&oldid=40979 5* 0378.52.143.140 5* (-6) 10/* Box Reference */
< 1452009267 371893 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Tonoco14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46077&oldid=46076 5* 0378.52.143.140 5* (-6) 10/* Control Flow */
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< 1452014414 96484 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have my "Eodermdrome" exam in 40 minutes
< 1452014444 267241 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how so?
< 1452014465 287217 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname, that's when the exam was scheduled
< 1452014472 918810 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's on computation by graph transformation
< 1452014476 566999 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1452014583 902506 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, "forty" is the only number spelt in English with its letters in alphabetical order
< 1452014609 633528 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :> sort "forty"
< 1452014611 804895 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : "forty"
< 1452014622 444536 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :> sort "eight"
< 1452014624 356206 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : "eghit"
< 1452014630 372148 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn÷t
< 1452014635 552284 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"a" is also
< 1452014644 536828 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :A is an article, not a number
< 1452014651 155161 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't add three to a
< 1452014656 594650 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, number
< 1452014659 102615 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> reverse . sort $ "one" -- arguably sorted as well
< 1452014661 124069 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : "one"
< 1452014662 905829 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i overread that
< 1452014679 650319 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, that's maximally unsorted!
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< 1452019328 126983 :hppavilion1!~Devourero@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org NICK :hppavilion[1]
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< 1452020585 516308 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: this is great for a trivia contests thx
< 1452020684 769888 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric
< 1452020695 833847 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I'm making a language in the spirit of unicode
< 1452020767 664095 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I make the language based on english syntactically (e.g. variables are [a-zA-Z_][a-zA-Z0-9_]*, and Δ an operator), or should I make it so that the entire language allows for a wide variety of languages to be used (Δ would be a variable)?
< 1452020784 37192 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a feeling the second one is more correct, but the first makes code look cooler xD
< 1452021011 948330 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, "four" is the only number in the English language with as many letters as its value
< 1452021117 671494 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: What about x=1?
< 1452021129 809775 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :x where x=1, that is
< 1452021143 163327 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I count polynomials as numbers because "close enough"
< 1452021152 882502 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and in this case, monomials)
< 1452021157 656873 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], polynomials aren't words in the English language
< 1452021190 368380 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: x is a term, and thus could be used alone in a text ("so if we assume that x is equal to 1...")
< 1452021193 374229 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Therefor it's a word
< 1452021221 243892 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Therefour
< 1452021234 99651 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], I disagree; we use names in text (such as "hppavilion[1]") but I wouldn't put them in a Crossword or play them in Scrabble
< 1452021299 457435 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Crossword clue: "This man attempted to take over the world (vertical 12+5i) (vertical is, like, up and down (so towards your face when looking directly down))
< 1452021300 534648 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"
< 1452021327 488525 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Answer: Napoleon, but good luck writing it in the 3d complex manifold crossword puzzle.
< 1452021349 134225 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the definition of a word is actually quite hard
< 1452021381 866636 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: Like in the case of vertical?
< 1452021390 194342 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://youtu.be/Vu3eDf4p0r0
< 1452021403 363344 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: Internet is filtered at my location. Can you give me the tl;dr?
< 1452021412 307417 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the aif;cw?
< 1452021418 762521 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :words are weird
< 1452021451 135057 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :("America is fascist; couldn't watch")
< 1452021563 522877 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: What do you think of the idea of Unilang? A unified, unicode-based declarative programming language
< 1452021637 611073 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how so? on the "a language like unicode" thing i first thought youkd want to make something with as much useless and clattered stuf as possible
< 1452021647 631012 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then again, there is already c++
< 1452021674 860422 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: xD
< 1452021686 261138 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it is pretty cluttered and will feature some pretty useless things xD
< 1452021724 69342 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The idea is a standard sort of programming language. Not a "global overarching standard" like unicode is, of course, but a sort of option language based on various other languages for expressing algorithms and such
< 1452021733 206209 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :In a way a computer can parse and evaluate
< 1452021744 514372 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, assembly?
< 1452021766 551986 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: Yes, but higher-level. Obviously.
< 1452021777 729378 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, c?
< 1452021782 725893 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: A language entirely based on arithmetical expressions
< 1452021788 281135 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Closer to Haskell than ASM
< 1452021800 46093 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But not as beautiful as Haskell
< 1452021836 109515 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"i want sometjing like haskell, but less beautiful"
< 1452021842 77999 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because Haskell is the goddamn  of programming languages.
< 1452021854 533355 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: Also, weirder
< 1452021864 174359 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do like the idea of curry
< 1452021889 973831 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like "hey, let's take that language and put more awesomeness in it"
< 1452022034 734032 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: It takes some inspiration from APL
< 1452022058 322278 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh?
< 1452022062 305952 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how so
< 1452022087 268681 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks prologish
< 1452022097 490375 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, i like the non-determinism
< 1452022113 197702 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: Well. I read a fraction of the Wiki article on APL and took out the ideas I liked
< 1452022122 804654 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a?b = a
< 1452022122 964207 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And put them into UniLang
< 1452022126 845710 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a?b = b
< 1452022137 353503 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is tje definition of ? in curry
< 1452022142 405446 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :a?b = OMGWTF
< 1452022150 738323 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: What does ? do though?
< 1452022163 350842 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it chooses either a or b
< 1452022169 567650 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: At random?
< 1452022189 349117 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but in a way that it still fits all boundaries
< 1452022192 445756 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oooooooooooooh
< 1452022194 356014 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoooooooooa
< 1452022229 153788 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also
< 1452022236 584806 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :insert x ys = x:ys
< 1452022249 8615 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :insert x (y:ys) = y: insert x ys
< 1452022258 464340 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :puts an element anywhere in a list
< 1452022287 737988 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :mindblown :: Bool
< 1452022292 164860 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :mindblown = True
< 1452022343 129745 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :permutation (x:xs) = insert x (permutation xs)
< 1452022478 604657 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Beeswax14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46078&oldid=46075 5* 03Albedo 5* (+8) 10/* File related I/O */  text formatting
< 1452022535 190080 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Beeswax14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46079&oldid=46078 5* 03Albedo 5* (-2) 10/* File related I/O */ typos
< 1452022540 630734 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anybody have contact to the beeswax author?
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< 1452027095 94009 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? coalgebra
< 1452027114 541074 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coalgebra? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1452027137 201119 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :A coalgebra is just like in high school maths but with the arrows reversed
< 1452027146 612138 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but high school maths doesn't have arrows
< 1452027153 506929 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :except occasionally above vectors
< 1452027177 177616 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :reversed vector arrows would be funny
< 1452027189 190027 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, that I am afraid was most of the joke
< 1452027190 319285 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends on how high
< 1452027243 902704 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so are coroutines just routines with reversed arrows?
< 1452027324 237236 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@2a02:a448:4a62:0:e84f:1b15:4854:7489 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1452027327 612629 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :goroutines are just routines that walk instread of running
< 1452027404 224242 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` sed -i 's/robots,/Lambek'\''s lemma, &/' wisdom/tanebvention
< 1452027407 589582 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1452027442 21802 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb is obviously an expert in coalgebras, having invented Lambek's lemma
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< 1452027680 876369 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? tanebventioin
< 1452027682 155283 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tanebventioin? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1452027683 46948 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? tanebvention
< 1452027684 492589 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tanebventions include D-modules, Chu spaces, automatic squirrel feeders, the torus, Stephen Wolfram, Go, the universe, weetoflakes, persistence, the reals, Lambek's lemma, robots, cigars, progress, and this sentence. He never invents anything involving sex.
< 1452027734 361788 :haavard!freebsd@haavard.me JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1452027779 868628 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :did Taneb invent Lambek's lemma directly or did Taneb invent Lambek who then invented the lemma
< 1452027784 148193 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :are inventions transitive
< 1452027801 371643 :haavard!freebsd@haavard.me JOIN :#esoteric
< 1452027802 229287 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, I do not think inventions are transitive but I do not think they are anti-transitive either
< 1452027836 512174 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So here's an idea for an Esosport
< 1452027861 132899 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: um, all soprts are eso
< 1452027864 852634 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :all sports
< 1452027868 532494 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fixed-parser esolang design
< 1452027871 481431 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the default
< 1452027877 969176 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Yes, but this is a sport based around Eso/langs/
< 1452027887 465858 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :An individual or group provides a parser to the players
< 1452027897 304902 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Each player or group of players takes it and attempts to make a language
< 1452027912 982504 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoever makes the best language, at the discretion of a group of judges or the host, wins.
< 1452028052 922322 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Best" may mean most eso (pure) or most logical and usable (working with what you have)
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< 1452028368 177227 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: What do you think of that idea?
< 1452028376 87438 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mayormaynot already have a lexer and parser prepared for it
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< 1452029265 282229 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :parser-alpha
< 1452029342 869040 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric
< 1452029502 882845 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Parser Alpha14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=46080 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+314) 10Created Page
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< 1452030586 515712 :haavard!freebsd@haavard.me PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about this: an esolang interpreter/compiler for which you have to figure out the language
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< 1452030632 339075 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it would be a different language for each instalation, but stay consistant over time?
< 1452030733 216749 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think haavard just means that you get the interp as a binary blob (or possibly even with source code) and you have to figure out how the language works by experimentation
< 1452030744 253478 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :some of my original plans for Snowflake work like that but even worse
< 1452030747 675147 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I toned it down a lot
< 1452030770 240978 :haavard!freebsd@haavard.me PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe even an online form to which you submit your program, so there's no source or disassembly available
< 1452030796 505605 :haavard!freebsd@haavard.me PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yeah, some language you have to figure out, not an existing one
< 1452030874 459072 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, it could even be a network black box
< 1452030888 476708 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1452030902 373491 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in which case I hope it gives useful error messages :-)
< 1452030913 514007 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[>+>->[>]><>>>,>.[Hello, world!]]>++
< 1452030917 144637 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a hello world in takeover
< 1452030937 319812 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/TMMLPTEALPAITAFNFAL
< 1452030941 355232 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I decided to use the same 8 chars as BF to confuse people (after I realised I'd naturally chosen a bunch of them anyway)
< 1452030945 512145 :haavard!freebsd@haavard.me PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see a fish in there
< 1452030950 76226 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the language is unrelated
< 1452030961 514796 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is related.
< 1452030966 47150 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone want to guess how the language works based on that?
< 1452030972 713434 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: well only in that it's an esolang
< 1452030976 107826 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No.
< 1452031007 288961 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is also related in that you could have a website that interprets a language similar to TMMLPTEALPAITAFNFAL
< 1452031029 172855 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I'm guessing that in some circumstances [ and ] work as string delimiters
< 1452031029 915872 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But instead of having the language be based on the time of day, it could be different for each user ID.
< 1452031036 290722 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: indeed
< 1452031045 846202 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you're also correct that they don't /always/ work as string delimeters
< 1452031048 139516 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you would create an account and get a randomly generated language.
< 1452031064 432617 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: oh, we're in separate conversations
< 1452031072 515664 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, are they sometimes procedure delimiters?
< 1452031075 823476 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was talking about Takeover, you were apparently talking about the new TMMLPTEALPAITAFNFAL
< 1452031081 406654 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it wouldn't tell you which variation it is, do you'd have to reverse-engineer it.
< 1452031095 551878 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: they sometimes aren't delimeters at all; there isn't much of a distinction between string and procedure delimiters
< 1452031118 228710 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this explains why we were disagreeing with each other :-)
< 1452031224 176616 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm
< 1452031234 311053 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :They do, at least in that excerpt, seem to always be matching
< 1452031236 66646 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(my previous comment was to MDude)
< 1452031237 836052 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :This may be a coincidence
< 1452031247 124037 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I did that to make the program easier to write
< 1452031262 115363 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the second [ and first ] have no reason to match each other, but the first and last have to match
< 1452031276 858260 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and thus I made the ones inside match too so that they didn't throw off the matching of the outside ones
< 1452031338 104143 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :here's an equivalent program to that one (but slightly longer): [>+>->]-[[><>>>,>.[Hello, world!]]>++
< 1452031553 107100 :Trinity!~Trinity@unaffiliated/trinity QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds
< 1452031576 493306 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of the awkwardness in the language is to do with the use-mention distinction, which is kind-of more fluid than normal
< 1452031638 551601 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interesting
< 1452031672 278106 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is a very small rosetta stone to decode a language from, and that's not something I'm hugely good at in the first place
< 1452031694 853171 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed, I wasn't really expecting someone to figure it out, just as a thought process to see how difficult it would be
< 1452031700 17936 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't written any larger programs yet
< 1452031719 70767 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even the hello world took a while to get working; I wrote it correctly the first time but was failing due to interp bugs
< 1452031760 460008 :haavard!freebsd@haavard.me PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the fun part
< 1452031765 421328 :haavard!freebsd@haavard.me PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Which program is wrong?"
< 1452031802 751639 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I got suspicious when the debug mode said that none of the commands were doing anything at all
< 1452031833 148057 :haavard!freebsd@haavard.me PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really hope the example programs I pulled off the Internet are actually correct, otherwise using them as test cases would be a bad idea
< 1452031898 119293 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haavard: which language?
< 1452031901 372780 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is that a secret?
< 1452031910 881273 :haavard!freebsd@haavard.me PRIVMSG #esoteric :><>, fish
< 1452032009 861565 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right
< 1452032014 961482 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that comes up at PPCG every now and then
< 1452032031 751635 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also I don't get which PPCG caught on at Stack Exchange when it's one of the worst possible platforms for that sort of thing)
< 1452032119 558356 :haavard!freebsd@haavard.me PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I was pretty amazed when I discovered someone actually wrote programs for my language :p
< 1452032209 196074 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that's your language?
< 1452032217 876208 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's about the right sort of power to make codegolf interesting
< 1452032223 439707 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I suspect Takeover might be a little too weak
< 1452032224 946333 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :)
< 1452032229 673275 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me post an interp and the spec
< 1452032278 684819 :haavard!freebsd@haavard.me PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it's something I puzzled up years ago
< 1452032310 128028 :haavard!freebsd@haavard.me PRIVMSG #esoteric :Writing a new interpreter now, the old one probably sucks :P
< 1452032345 273958 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46081&oldid=46048 5* 03Ais523 5* (+15) 10/* T */ +[[Takeover]]
< 1452032444 484022 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Are coalgebras found in naughty category theorists' stockings?
< 1452032457 116220 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, not sure
< 1452032582 944550 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Takeover14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=46082 5* 03Ais523 5* (+17083) 10new esolang
< 1452032636 281375 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Template:Yearcats14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46083&oldid=41593 5* 03Ais523 5* (+26) 10happy new year
< 1452032682 454827 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Category:201614]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=46084 5* 03Ais523 5* (+11) 10happy new year
< 1452032728 38562 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Ais52314]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46085&oldid=46039 5* 03Ais523 5* (+14) 10+[[Takeover]] (wow this list is getting long)
< 1452032804 168277 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Hello world program in esoteric languages14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46086&oldid=46027 5* 03Ais523 5* (+67) 10/* Takeover */ new section
< 1452032857 754856 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Takeover if you want to see how the language works :-)
< 1452032932 576025 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks :)
< 1452032946 950625 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw what I've been calling my Eodermdrome exam went well today
< 1452032993 485081 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you had an exam on Eodermdrome?
< 1452033029 354591 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had an exam on programming by graph transformation
< 1452033077 822463 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which... actually does it about as differently from Eodermdrome as possible
< 1452033085 131512 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's based on directed graphs, for a start
< 1452033136 804253 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, if you're up to date with all the various graph programming languages used by precisely one department in one university, the lecturer is the creator of GP and GP2
< 1452033149 238363 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sadly I'm not :-(
< 1452033167 846149 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although having labels on the nodes, and directed arcs, makes programming a lot easier
< 1452033190 348743 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is https://www.cs.york.ac.uk/plasma/publications/pdf/Plump.WRS.11.pdf publicly accessible?
< 1452033199 737377 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently.
< 1452033212 107246 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the design of GP 2
< 1452033216 788262 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :As you can tell from the title of the paper
< 1452033325 696633 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric
< 1452033381 697783 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1452033698 631090 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar CYUL
< 1452033699 79152 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYUL 052200Z 23009KT 15SM FEW240 M13/M17 A3052 RMK CI1 CI TR SLP342
< 1452033705 451164 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :woohoo. M13.
< 1452033710 434203 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar KOAK
< 1452033711 4752 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :KOAK 052153Z 24006KT 10SM FEW013 BKN032 OVC045 11/09 A2972 RMK AO2 RAE40 SLP065 P0000 T01110089
< 1452033726 652385 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Quit: buying things before the shops shut
< 1452033783 989988 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellochaf.
< 1452033791 67839 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :yowly
< 1452033800 55496 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@yowly
< 1452033800 406853 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somewhere in DOWNTOWN BURBANK a prostitute is OVERCOOKING a LAMB CHOP!!
< 1452033871 574094 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not a pinhead. I am sane.
< 1452033880 691457 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@yow!
< 1452033881 188980 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mr and Mrs PED, can I borrow 26.7% of the RAYON TEXTILE production of
< 1452033881 373357 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :the INDONESIAN archipelago?
< 1452033990 882694 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar RKSI
< 1452033991 267756 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :RKSI 052230Z 13005KT 9999 SCT040 M02/M11 Q1027 NOSIG
< 1452034591 464103 :spiette!~spiette@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: weeee
< 1452034707 669763 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1452035046 70590 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar ENVA
< 1452035046 490643 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :ENVA 052250Z 13009KT CAVOK M12/M17 Q1013 RMK WIND 670FT 12009KT
< 1452035066 760799 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellørjan.
< 1452035145 192531 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1452035194 856003 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :brrroily
< 1452035303 95675 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the yr.no weather forecast for my place says about -9, also a warning about wildfire danger in places in the region without snow.
< 1452035329 413802 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps we will have another strangely dry january like 2 years ago
< 1452035374 277823 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"There are of course, certain conditions under which the detector will not indicate the presence of ice: (a) When there is no ice."
< 1452035400 136231 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shocking
< 1452035448 608405 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was only one other condition listed
< 1452035452 821409 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like it may stay dry but get a little less cold
< 1452035466 38355 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"When there is no ice, or when the detector is broken"
< 1452035555 495695 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other condition was about a paragraph but boiled down to "when there is not enough ice to detect"
< 1452035562 596544 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel like they missed quite a few, such as that one
< 1452035583 661478 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"When there is WAY TOO MUCH ICE"
< 1452035630 15685 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar EFHK
< 1452035630 745006 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :EFHK 052250Z 02009KT 9999 FEW030 BKN053 M20/M22 Q1010 NOSIG
< 1452035637 375142 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar EGLL
< 1452035638 104100 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :EGLL 052250Z AUTO VRB02KT 5000 BR OVC047 06/06 Q0989 NOSIG
< 1452035652 859008 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aw, the temperature differential's not getting higher; 26 now.
< 1452035738 831491 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :M20?
< 1452035746 234705 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I was in EFHK it was 30.
< 1452035792 39880 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was probably not in January.
< 1452035798 951782 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Correct.
< 1452035808 801685 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar EGNT
< 1452035809 319920 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :EGNT 052250Z 11013KT 090V150 9999 -RA BKN009 06/06 Q0992
< 1452035809 478887 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt it's ever been 30 at EFHK in January. Well, indoors maybe.
< 1452035826 905183 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hear that some of those numbers represent temperature
< 1452035833 97921 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: That's the 06.
< 1452035847 835630 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :...temperature 80 miles away from here
< 1452035850 57224 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It can easily be 00 at EFHK in January, though, so M20 does count as pretty cold.
< 1452035898 145742 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you ask me M20 is too cold.
< 1452035902 169429 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar EGBB
< 1452035902 581742 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :EGBB 052250Z VRB03KT 3900 RA SCT006 BKN049 06/06 Q0989
< 1452035929 64149 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: The Finnish weather site I usually use says it's "feels like" value is -30°.
< 1452035944 56604 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :temperature = dew point, does that mean no humidity?
< 1452035950 485912 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :M20 is interesting. my moustache and beard freeze.
< 1452035967 389942 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it means 100% humidity hth
< 1452036054 518899 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The forecast says it'll stay that cold until Friday (nightly lows at -25, -26, -26) but then on Sunday day it'll be at 0 (-7 at night).
< 1452036055 692951 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, Wikipedia's example METAR has the wind at 120°, varying from 290° to 310°
< 1452036059 441327 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :something seems wrong with tis
< 1452036060 916490 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*this
< 1452036092 715450 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@74-114-87-78.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
< 1452036093 11740 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: what temperature is it like indoors? and how often do you have to go outdoors in such conditions?
< 1452036107 834042 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :metacircular winds.
< 1452036137 367839 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indoor temperatures generally don't vary, unless you're stuck in an old house or something. They know about insulation.
< 1452036322 718823 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, it's not raining here at the university, but it apparently is at the airort
< 1452036347 926249 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although given the apparent lack of wind, it might take a while for the rain to get here, if indeed it's even moving in this direction
< 1452036351 193955 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I mean, they do vary in the sense that in the summer indoor temperatures are unbearably hot for a few days, because they *don't* know about air conditioning.
< 1452036418 169665 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I've ever lived anywhere with inadequate heating or drafty rooms for a long period of time.
< 1452036464 219962 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The university here has a weather station, but lambdabot doesn't know about it
< 1452036509 32769 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :This current place is all-electric heating, so the indoor temperature is whatever we configure the radiators at, and then it just costs more. I think we're paying some ridiculous multiple of what our power bill in Finland used to be, here.
< 1452036591 590347 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(District heating is very widespread in Finland, AIUI.)
< 1452036606 274657 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : quintopia, "four" is the only number in the English language with as many letters as its value <-- also, all others converge to it after a few steps
< 1452036616 768209 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :electric heating is pretty rare in the UK
< 1452036625 964431 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :most places have gas-based central heating
< 1452036658 920940 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: We don't even have a gas hob, which was somewhat difficult to arrange here.
< 1452036675 98734 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in norwegian, 2=to, 3=tre, 4=fire all work...
< 1452036683 516075 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :My parents house has gas heating and a wood-burning stove
< 1452036686 58903 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hobs/ovens are about equally split gas/electric in my experience
< 1452036705 471963 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right, wood/coal heating is not unheard of
< 1452036724 738125 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can buy coal/charcoal/firewood at pretty much any petrol station, so presumably there are people who do
< 1452036739 493329 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(en_GB:petrol = en_US:gasoline)
< 1452036741 597978 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finnish probably doesn't have any sorted numbers.
< 1452036765 934385 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: not about sorting
< 1452036779 307089 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm although
< 1452036790 403153 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, this was something else? Right, I didn't even verify.
< 1452036824 176667 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: numbers whose length equals their numerical value
< 1452036824 774669 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can buy charcoal and firewood at pretty much any petrol station in Finland too, but I've always assumed those are mostly for people doing cooking outdoors.
< 1452036849 991841 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :We've got viisi (5).
< 1452036863 960352 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for some reason I'm reminded of Last ReSort, which similarly compares two numbers in different units
< 1452036885 693664 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kahdeksan (8, length 9) and yhdeksän (9, length 8) are just the wrong way around.
< 1452036899 14755 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :those are weird names for numbers!
< 1452036906 559473 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. 1=en, ei, ett  is pretty sorted.  in all genders.  i think that's the only number though.
< 1452036907 968473 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(8 and 9, that is; 5 seems reasonable)
< 1452036934 83166 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :words which have no repeated letters, and letters in alphabetical order
< 1452036947 147772 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are much loved by NetHack players because you can spell them in prompts
< 1452036951 611900 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yksi, kaksi, kolme, neljä, viisi, kuusi, seitsemän, kahdeksan, yhdeksän, kymmenen; yksitoista, kaksitoista, kolmetoista, neljätoista, viisitoista, kuusitoista, seitsemäntoista, kahdeksantoista, yhdeksäntoista; kaksikymmentä, kaksikymmentäyksi, kaksikymmentäkaksi, ... and then it's mostly systematic.
< 1452036955 889333 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries to remember what the longest words with its letters in sorted order is
< 1452036956 614771 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're pretty long.
< 1452036964 1413 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :As you'd expect, in colloquial speech people abbreviate them.
< 1452036974 573550 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, spoonfeed is longest in reverse order
< 1452037003 543074 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I once borrowed a book from a library which was basically just about words with unusual properties, including records
< 1452037009 518229 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's where I got the name "eodermdrome" from
< 1452037024 876243 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : something seems wrong with tis <-- the difference is about 180, so presumably it's a toward/away from swap
< 1452037040 889230 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it was discussing the shortest possible word with a nonplanar adjacency graph)
< 1452037049 705097 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: It shouldn't have one, though, according to the METAR decoded instructions I usually look at.
< 1452037137 424144 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` wc /usr/share/dict/words
< 1452037144 780215 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope we have a dictionary in HackEgo
< 1452037148 942717 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wc: /usr/share/dict/words: No such file or directory
< 1452037149 101790 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :more fun than doing things locally
< 1452037152 54441 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bleh
< 1452037179 24609 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The numbers 11..19 are all of the form "toista" where "" is one of 1..9; the suffix "-toista" means approximately "of the second".
< 1452037198 453140 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So 17 -> "7 of the second [set of ten]".
< 1452037228 129861 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :We don't even have special words for 11 or 12.
< 1452037313 146703 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :where is HackEgo physically?
< 1452037315 455814 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`help
< 1452037315 765980 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Runs arbitrary code in GNU/Linux. Type "`", or "`run " for full shell commands. "`fetch " downloads files. Files saved to $PWD are persistent, and $PWD/bin is in $PATH. $PWD is a mercurial repository, "`revert " can be used to revert to a revision. See http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/
< 1452037318 641421 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also when the sorted numbers came up, the /usr/share/dict/words on my work-workstation only had English sorted words for up to length of about 6 when disallowing repetitions.
< 1452037329 443814 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"almost" was one of them.
< 1452037368 519854 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made the obligatory Perl oneliner, it involved a join("", sort { ord($a) <=> ord($b) } split //) construct.
< 1452037376 523537 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION geolocates the IP
< 1452037395 432524 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: The fshg browser is not physically where HackEgo is, sorry.
< 1452037401 920999 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a reverse-proxy setup involved.
< 1452037412 86668 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1452037416 840900 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I'm using its /whois IP
< 1452037421 990135 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right.
< 1452037427 5391 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is presumably how it connects to the internet
< 1452037436 144394 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finland, it seems
< 1452037438 65554 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just thought `help was related, and didn't think it's probably not cloaked.
< 1452037445 941301 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait no
< 1452037448 855490 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I missed a digit
< 1452037455 537112 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounded very unlikely.
< 1452037462 924828 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ontario, Canada
< 1452037463 563782 :Trinity!~Trinity@pool-108-38-146-84.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1452037463 723382 :Trinity!~Trinity@pool-108-38-146-84.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Changing host
< 1452037463 723448 :Trinity!~Trinity@unaffiliated/trinity JOIN :#esoteric
< 1452037471 195609 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd been assuming CloudAtCost is in the states somewhere.
< 1452037473 544172 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, are you runing hackego these days?
< 1452037481 66966 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`fetch http://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian/pool/main/s/scowl/wamerican_7.1-1_all.deb
< 1452037484 777163 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2016-01-05 23:44:32 URL:http://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian/pool/main/s/scowl/wamerican_7.1-1_all.deb [272134/272134] -> "wamerican_7.1-1_all.deb" [1]
< 1452037485 429537 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: my understanding is that the finnish words for 8 and 9 are derivations adding a suffix -ks[aä]n to a form of 2 and 1 respectively
< 1452037513 616034 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Not really, just sort of helping out occasionally since I've got a thing on the system for maintaining the wiki.
< 1452037535 145315 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ar t wamerican*.deb
< 1452037536 212608 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ar: invalid option -- ' ' \ Usage: ar [emulation options] [-]{dmpqrstx}[abcDfilMNoPsSTuvV] [--plugin ] [member-name] [count] archive-file file... \        ar -M [ dict-words
< 1452037657 593033 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1452037661 790752 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` wc dict-words
< 1452037662 654345 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ 99171  99171 938848 dict-words
< 1452037665 548019 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there we go
< 1452037670 144086 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` rm data.tar.gz
< 1452037673 385227 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1452037678 495374 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` rm wamercan*.deb
< 1452037679 431442 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rm: cannot remove `wamercan*.deb': No such file or directory
< 1452037683 605648 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` rm wamerican*.deb
< 1452037687 247011 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1452037695 469645 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo No output.
< 1452037696 849177 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1452037702 260184 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should have got a Canadian list really but American is the default
< 1452037780 344843 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` grep a*b*c*d*e*f*g*h*i*j*k*l*m*n*o*p*q*r*s*t*u*v*w*x*y*z* dict-words
< 1452037781 497299 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A \ A's \ AA's \ AB's \ ABM's \ AC's \ ACTH's \ AI's \ AIDS's \ AM's \ AOL \ AOL's \ ASCII's \ ASL's \ ATM's \ ATP's \ AWOL's \ AZ's \ AZT's \ Aachen \ Aaliyah \ Aaliyah's \ Aaron \ Abbas \ Abbasid \ Abbott \ Abbott's \ Abby \ Abby's \ Abdul \ Abdul's \ Abe \ Abe's \ Abel \ Abel's \ Abelard \ Abelson \ Abelson's \ Aberdeen \ Aberdeen's \ Abernathy 
< 1452037786 680154 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1452037793 422492 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` grep ^a*b*c*d*e*f*g*h*i*j*k*l*m*n*o*p*q*r*s*t*u*v*w*x*y*z*$ dict-words
< 1452037794 286627 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a \ abbess \ abbey \ abbot \ abet \ abhor \ abhors \ ably \ abort \ abuzz \ accent \ accept \ access \ accost \ ace \ aces \ achoo \ achy \ act \ ad \ add \ adder \ adders \ adds \ adept \ ado \ adopt \ ads \ adz \ aegis \ aery \ affix \ afoot \ aft \ aglow \ ago \ ah \ ahoy \ ail \ ails \ aim \ aims \ air \ airs \ airy \ all \ allot \ allow \ allo
< 1452037803 51633 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so how do I sort by length
< 1452037810 147058 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort doesn't have an option for that
< 1452037831 812054 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I usually just print a length column in front.
< 1452037836 938669 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then sort -nr and then cut it out.
< 1452037865 552198 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` grep ^a*b*c*d*e*f*g*h*i*j*k*l*m*n*o*p*q*r*s*t*u*v*w*x*y*z*$ dict-words | perl -ne 'push @a; END {print sort {length $b <=> length $a} @a}'
< 1452037869 811881 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1452037872 326419 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1452037872 922441 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` grep ^a*b*c*d*e*f*g*h*i*j*k*l*m*n*o*p*q*r*s*t*u*v*w*x*y*z*$ dict-words | perl -ne 'print length($_), " ", $_;' | sort -nr | head
< 1452037874 676036 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :8 billowy \ 7 knotty \ 7 glossy \ 7 floppy \ 7 floors \ 7 effort \ 7 choppy \ 7 choosy \ 7 chintz \ 7 chinos
< 1452037882 257465 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` grep ^a*b*c*d*e*f*g*h*i*j*k*l*m*n*o*p*q*r*s*t*u*v*w*x*y*z*$ dict-words | perl -ne 'push @a, $_; END {print sort {length $b <=> length $a} @a}'
< 1452037883 372167 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :billowy \ abbess \ abhors \ accent \ accept \ access \ accost \ adders \ almost \ begins \ bellow \ billow \ biopsy \ cellos \ chills \ chilly \ chimps \ chinos \ chintz \ choosy \ choppy \ effort \ floors \ floppy \ glossy \ knotty \ abbey \ abbot \ abhor \ abort \ abuzz \ achoo \ adder \ adept \ adopt \ aegis \ affix \ afoot \ aglow \ allot \ all
< 1452037887 485008 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there we go
< 1452037896 371092 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not very many such sorted words, it seems
< 1452037930 320514 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always even just print length($_) instead of the actual length (counts the newline), since it doesn't change the ordering.
< 1452037953 276007 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember biopsy and almost from the list.
< 1452037965 287908 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` find | grep -i word
< 1452037976 774156 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​./bin/rainwords \ ./bin/words \ ./bin/word \ ./dict-words \ ./share/WordData \ ./share/WordData/French \ ./share/WordData/GermanMedical \ ./share/WordData/Brazilian \ ./share/WordData/EngUs \ ./share/WordData/Finnish \ ./share/WordData/Bulgarian \ ./share/WordData/Ogerman \ ./share/WordData/EngGb \ ./share/WordData/Catalan \ ./share/WordData/Spa
< 1452037995 128623 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, we have WordData too
< 1452038005 963794 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It may not be in a reasonable format.
< 1452038009 946525 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I think that's ngrammed
< 1452038025 253560 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` find | grep -i word | grep -v share/WordData
< 1452038028 615323 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​./bin/rainwords \ ./bin/words \ ./bin/word \ ./dict-words \ ./.hg/store/data/bin/word.i \ ./.hg/store/data/bin/rainwords.i \ ./.hg/store/data/bin/words.i \ ./.hg/store/data/p7zip__9.20.1/_d_o_c_s/_m_a_n_u_a_l/switches/password.htm.i \ ./.hg/store/data/git-master/t/t4034-diff-words.sh.i \ ./.hg/store/data/share/_word_data \ ./.hg/store/data/share
< 1452038042 524733 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ghc -e 'interact $ unlines . sortBy (compare `on` length) . filter (\x -> x == sort x) . lines' < dict-words
< 1452038043 565101 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: ghc: command not found
< 1452038045 551500 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :scow
< 1452038051 400452 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` find | grep -i word | grep -v share/WordData | grep -v '\.hg'
< 1452038055 147723 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​./bin/rainwords \ ./bin/words \ ./bin/word \ ./dict-words \ ./wisdom/word \ ./wisdom/password
< 1452038057 154226 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` grep ^a?b?c?d?e?f?g?h?i?j?k?l?m?n?o?p?q?r?s?t?u?v?w?x?y?z?a?b?c?d?e?f?g?h?i?j?k?l?m?n?o?p?q?r?s?t?u?v?w?x?y?z?$ dict-words | perl -ne 'push @a, $_; END {print sort {length $b <=> length $a} @a}'
< 1452038058 103082 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1452038073 534649 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` grep ^a?b?c?d?e?f?g?h?i?j?k?l?m?n?o?p?q?r?s?t?u?v?w?x?y?z?a?b?c?d?e?f?g?h?i?j?k?l?m?n?o?p?q?r?s?t?u?v?w?x?y?z?$ dict-words | perl -ne 'push @a, $_; END {print sort {length $b <=> length $a} @a}'
< 1452038074 374436 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1452038080 844503 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did I get wrong there?
< 1452038086 122402 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Gregor didn't reinstall ghc when he moved servers
< 1452038104 215821 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no quotes?
< 1452038117 154208 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shouldn't have mattered, but maybe it does
< 1452038122 159755 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :9 aegilops
< 1452038124 250410 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` grep '^a?b?c?d?e?f?g?h?i?j?k?l?m?n?o?p?q?r?s?t?u?v?w?x?y?z?a?b?c?d?e?f?g?h?i?j?k?l?m?n?o?p?q?r?s?t?u?v?w?x?y?z?$' dict-words | perl -ne 'push @a, $_; END {print sort {length $b <=> length $a} @a}'
< 1452038125 560766 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1452038135 360245 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: what sort of word is "aegilops"
< 1452038146 320931 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's all greek to me
< 1452038146 638059 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1452038151 600624 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/aegilops
< 1452038160 388929 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: egrep.
< 1452038166 905040 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I have a wordlist with a lot of words in it
< 1452038167 64698 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: oh ofc
< 1452038167 413436 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` wc -l dict-words
< 1452038169 861013 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or a lot of slashes.
< 1452038170 20321 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :99171 dict-words
< 1452038170 207897 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` egrep '^a?b?c?d?e?f?g?h?i?j?k?l?m?n?o?p?q?r?s?t?u?v?w?x?y?z?a?b?c?d?e?f?g?h?i?j?k?l?m?n?o?p?q?r?s?t?u?v?w?x?y?z?$' dict-words | perl -ne 'push @a, $_; END {print sort {length $b <=> length $a} @a}'
< 1452038171 813000 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :certainty \ imprudent \ loquacity \ abstains \ acerbity \ acquaint \ adequacy \ adjacent \ adorably \ airships \ belabors \ chivalry \ chowders \ citadels \ corsairs \ definers \ deforest \ degrades \ develops \ eloquent \ envelops \ foremost \ hindmost \ horsefly \ hostelry \ impudent \ invaders \ mortuary \ ability \ abrades \ abstain \ academy \
< 1452038173 556270 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Including chthonian
< 1452038197 807582 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in NetHack you can use capital letters as well as lowercase letters to make it work a bit longer
< 1452038209 421181 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember loquacity from the last time the NetHack inventory compatibility topic came up.
< 1452038214 37186 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :NetHack reverses capital and lowercase letter sorting or something, right?
< 1452038225 854519 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: capitals sort later than lowercase
< 1452038232 302074 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not so much "reverse" as just "different from ASCII"
< 1452038245 912793 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Without any conditions on the words: 61 Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch's
< 1452038250 468405 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is a lot of words
< 1452038255 998210 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, apparently it used to be spelt ægilops
< 1452038264 371684 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a feeling the place I work, they'd have long lists of words too.
< 1452038268 382030 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` file dict-source  # this had a relatively amusing result
< 1452038268 578950 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is a ligature that the topic doesn't have :-P
< 1452038269 910388 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dict-source: ERROR: cannot open `dict-source' (No such file or directory)
< 1452038274 458684 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er.
< 1452038275 914116 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` file dict-words
< 1452038277 90115 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dict-words: assembler source, UTF-8 Unicode text
< 1452038286 48190 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, thinko.
< 1452038287 685133 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :who writes asm in UTF-8 :-P
< 1452038305 862965 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's /shaped/ like asm, but doesn't have nearly enough punctuation and numbers
< 1452038344 697335 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1452038375 371246 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where I used to work, we had a copy of https://catalog.ldc.upenn.edu/LDC2006T13 which I used a couple of times for random things like this. It's got 13588391 "words".
< 1452038386 178744 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1452038391 495071 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does almost every PDF end up leaking internal filename details from the computer it was made via its title?
< 1452038411 851852 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: in what language? allegedly English?
< 1452038431 589423 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yes, but only very approximately.
< 1452038455 472960 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words --help
< 1452038458 233937 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usage: words [-dhNo] [DATASETS...] [NUMBER_OF_WORDS] \  \ options: \   -l, --list             list valid datasets \   -d, --debug            debugging output \   -N, --dont-normalize   don't normalize frequencies when combining \                          multiple Markov models; this has the effect \                          of making larger dataset
< 1452038462 237647 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I wonder what words approximate English has
< 1452038465 106702 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :typos, perhaps?
< 1452038468 305480 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words -l
< 1452038471 817532 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :valid datasets: --eng-1M --eng-all --eng-fiction --eng-gb --eng-us --french --german --hebrew --russian --spanish --irish --german-medical --bulgarian --catalan --swedish --brazilian --canadian-english-insane --manx --italian --ogerman --portuguese --polish --gaelic --finnish --norwegian --esolangs \ default: --eng-1M
< 1452038482 889616 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words --eng-all
< 1452038490 33123 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that the same as the approximate words that English has?
< 1452038493 684923 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that uses the WordData, i take
< 1452038498 261648 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1452038504 328931 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is heavily ngrammed IIRC
< 1452038508 872206 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` words --eng-all 10
< 1452038513 403619 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words --hebrew 10
< 1452038514 651522 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds
< 1452038516 516323 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops
< 1452038519 623730 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` words --hebrew 10
< 1452038525 617073 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shal
< 1452038527 655232 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It works with a single ` (when it works).
< 1452038534 155067 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds
< 1452038542 644216 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo test
< 1452038545 207084 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​המיי והסגר אונטו להטעמ סטפל ונתי בתוקפס אופמל שהורמציא שקפת
< 1452038545 366123 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ומא הנבי ותו והלו קיבלת בגרמו התשוב ולתפ מדכתבואנט ארשתי
< 1452038546 942988 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The script does its own argument splitting if it only gets a single argument that contains spaces, or some-such.
< 1452038547 948058 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :test
< 1452038549 263869 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :med hmmerial prae marit patro ress beau dez oxb olsen
< 1452038556 215379 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just being laggery, apparently.
< 1452038565 512271 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1452038579 307701 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I'm wondering what happens if you put hackego `words output into an online translator
< 1452038584 579200 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's an interesting interleaving
< 1452038584 763463 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words --german 20
< 1452038586 682693 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bilisen hocherksto joyaisorgangift beiten abwehrbund alitätenpaß leben perichenfandar gestwärtne verabzügen torischwing schlagenwein pferia hufernzugenerandel metrat mannen fache maeclaviaturbeisener nidiposumker hilfe
< 1452038597 535452 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least one of those is a real word
< 1452038601 837393 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"German - detected".
< 1452038608 948446 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words --hebrew 20
< 1452038610 561785 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​יאמצני ונתגדו וקל מטפו ונכר ועבד קסיסמא וביז שחששו ותח וישאל בכונת שהקולין ההזיולם טוטיפותר ומספי במלח והמפו כשנמר הזדים
< 1452038634 763415 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :most were left alone
< 1452038638 333145 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :some were capitalized in various ways
< 1452038646 748939 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. beiten → BEITEN
< 1452038663 144794 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It also translated abwehrbund to "defense bund", leben to "live", schlagenwein to "beat wine", fache to "times" and hilfe to "Help".
< 1452038664 175299 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"abwehrbund" translates to "defense bund", apparently
< 1452038705 575753 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the translations of leben and hilfe are actually correct, apart from possibly capitalization
< 1452038711 285175 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :leben and hilfe are correct, anyway
< 1452038712 900348 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words --french 20
< 1452038715 275030 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​étaire kovt lix lacic lirmat locailr hocquité fuvre plicoppe cba ems sylloukhostrie brabort fandres réinsurs litères eduimamiti deredaireronné koiserlartine befulat
< 1452038724 783693 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ewige Blumenwein Und Ewige Schlangenwein
< 1452038751 831183 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: schlagen, not schlangen hth
< 1452038760 252456 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, only one change on the French (litères → Literes)
< 1452038760 952790 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty sure that's different
< 1452038773 91035 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: schangenkraft, not schagenkraft hth
< 1452038775 962103 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops
< 1452038779 807842 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i messed that up
< 1452038783 436656 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :schlangenkraft
< 1452038802 944540 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words --italian 20
< 1452038803 998426 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sballere inendo carla predierò curerò procura all'offuma attimbre redeno fruschi spell'augura rapandosi sonacano faccendi abbagliente appandoccusa trasbottammo marrete consavamo riatenere
< 1452038807 623118 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :snake wine is the fancy version of snake oil
< 1452038820 898362 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: oh i assumed you were starting from the schlagenwein
< 1452038834 681981 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was combining schagenwein and schlangenkraft
< 1452038838 688734 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :look
< 1452038845 373660 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :why'd you have to make me go and type it out like that
< 1452038848 850929 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The headlines of the biggest Finnish newspaper today mentioned how Google Translate was translating "Російська Федерація" (Russian Federation) in Ukranian → Russian mode to Мордор (Mordor).
< 1452038851 385986 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we have some words there, "curerò procura" becomes "heal attorney"
< 1452038854 519932 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The perils of machine learning.
< 1452038871 751110 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :snake wine salesmen tend to be snobs
< 1452038872 452412 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: intentional Googlebomb? or some sort of crazy accident?
< 1452038893 312941 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also, is the input being given there spelled in Russian or in Ukranian?)
< 1452038909 959817 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's in Ukranian, but I'm certainly no expert.
< 1452038910 647439 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: is snake wine fermented snake oil?
< 1452038918 683242 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps.
< 1452038938 898395 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: did you know the meaning of "sgtm" a year ago
< 1452038940 746199 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think our official comment is that it's just an accident, and not really all that crazy either.
< 1452038969 721188 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the russian is Российская Федерация
< 1452038982 368566 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I think so, but I'm not 100% sure. Certainly it feels now as if I'd always known it.
< 1452038994 89833 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :russian no longer uses і
< 1452039016 827514 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used it in another channel and someone deduced my employment history from it.
< 1452039032 938162 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I looked in my email history and apparently I never used it before 2013.
< 1452039037 610320 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I don't know what it stands for, altough I'm guessing "sounds/seems good to me"
< 1452039042 221188 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :from reverse etymology
< 1452039043 586210 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But now I think it was always common.
< 1452039053 386749 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So who knows.
< 1452039066 31782 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at Agora, very occasionally, people will write a message entirely as an acronym, and sometimes people figure out what it was meant to be
< 1452039068 177948 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yes.
< 1452039077 481139 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: That's also true in this channel.
< 1452039085 129915 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric : ityarfo
< 1452039085 289441 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Today was my first Googleversary.
< 1452039088 295943 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric : sptm
< 1452039090 33362 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well this channel and Agora have quite an overlap
< 1452039103 535185 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: did you get balloons?
< 1452039107 62521 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :theory: "scow" is actually an acronym but nobody knows what it stands for
< 1452039117 690574 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just ones in an email.
< 1452039117 850388 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know the etymology of "scow".
< 1452039132 103723 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You didn't get who balloons?
< 1452039145 279498 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or teams balloons or whatever that thing is called.
< 1452039186 741180 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you also got ASUs or something.
< 1452039217 747311 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I looked at my Teams page.
< 1452039231 794726 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If that's where something should've been.
< 1452039240 403967 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@time fizzie
< 1452039241 928229 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for fizzie is Wed Jan  6 00:14:00 2016
< 1452039246 16817 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :TOO LATE
< 1452039247 228999 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : we have some words there, "curerò procura" becomes "heal attorney" <-- google messes up the grammar, that should be "i will heal".  although it might be ungrammatical without an article... izabera?
< 1452039275 450934 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: so it's "I will heal the attorney" except that "attorney" is a subject rather than an object?
< 1452039295 741612 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1452039321 717892 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I, an attorney, will heal?
< 1452039364 137259 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll attorney your wounds.
< 1452039471 87016 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was trying to learn Italian but sort of took a break due to exams
< 1452039483 271591 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do I have 5 exams in 4 days? :(
< 1452039508 230255 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: italian doesn't have noun cases, but i think there should be a "la" in there.  except now i check, procura seems to refer to power, not actual persons
< 1452039539 326839 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: because nowadays exams aren't scheduled for student convenience but for administrator convenience
< 1452039553 271353 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: you're being pigeonholed as a student hth
< 1452039553 451455 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually noticed a notable decline in timetable quality during my time at school
< 1452039558 306445 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as timetables became more automated
< 1452039578 46564 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: if you're taking exams, doesn't that kind-of make you a student by definition? I guess you could be an applicant
< 1452039593 752146 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I know Chromium folks also use "sgtm" a lot, so you definitely don't need to be a Google employee to be infected.
< 1452039594 888653 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but most of the time, the purpose of exams is to gauge how much someone has learned, which implies that someone has been teaching them
< 1452039598 328018 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.chromium.org/glossary
< 1452039599 939944 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, I am afraid that I must confess to being a student
< 1452039623 957541 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgml sgtm
< 1452039624 582778 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Did you know about https://cs.chromium.org/ ?
< 1452039638 7761 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Quit: REALITY.SYS Corrupted: Re-boot universe? (Y/N/Q)
< 1452039646 711039 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: It could be an exam for a professional certification or something.
< 1452039675 127483 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: that's why I included "applicant" as the other possibility
< 1452039682 298756 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Yes.
< 1452039687 147555 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Oh, I guess so.
< 1452039700 365190 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: It's TG. CS is one of the best things.
< 1452039781 772264 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: The Chromium one is lacking in layers.
< 1452039807 44981 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though the git views are okay.
< 1452040071 729425 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: That page has a much better expansion of SGTM than the one I knew.
< 1452040145 291219 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't know Grok had been kind of open-sourced as "Kythe".
< 1452040156 835282 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? kythe
< 1452040157 867196 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kythe? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1452040192 973071 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: I didn't either.
< 1452040245 629892 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what that is
< 1452040259 555744 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it means "drink" hth
< 1452040292 208416 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tdnrh, bigwi.
< 1452040351 448115 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :bigwi?
< 1452040372 382990 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'll Go With It.
< 1452040715 524328 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: hezzo38. today I had a relapse, and I magicked with my coworkers.
< 1452040734 819897 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't magicked in a while
< 1452040741 134639 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I avoid it by not owning any cards
< 1452040743 797591 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(magiced? magicqued? maybe even a strong verb, and magunk?)
< 1452040746 312012 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or spending any money on it
< 1452040763 87183 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: "jammed" hth
< 1452040777 490204 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my bro gave me a nice one for Christmas/Birthday. my færies deck is even more annoying :D
< 1452040817 398013 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: when are you visiting california to collect a bunch of cards twh
< 1452040828 6897 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't magicked in ages, although I try to stay up to date with it constantly
< 1452040839 782574 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, who knows (tm)
< 1452040845 418787 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I neither play nor stay up to date.
< 1452040852 541124 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is mostly because Wizards' design goals are sort-of the opposite of those needed to create a good game
< 1452040874 971261 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(basically they try to rewrite the whole thing every six months)
< 1452040875 820223 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You mean the design goal of making a lot of money forever?
< 1452040880 713869 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if I can get my hands on a copy of Ashes. the atwork looks nice.
< 1452040892 143610 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: Someone tried to play that with me.
< 1452040896 270194 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: well they state it as, they want to keep the game fresh, so they shake it up repeatedly
< 1452040898 210281 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I complained a bunch and they got annoyed.
< 1452040916 328793 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is basically because it gets stale very quickly because they're iterating so fast that they don't have time to make a deep game
< 1452040964 997431 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that how it works, now?
< 1452041000 656321 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: they even got rid of the core set, apparently because they couldn't work out who it was for
< 1452041010 909712 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(answer: it was for people who wanted a well-tested and balanced game)
< 1452041017 349528 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh? like, 2k15 is the last core?
< 1452041025 30361 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: Origins is.
< 1452041026 340680 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: last core set is called "Magic Origins"
< 1452041042 41039 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thwett, this523.
< 1452041042 303280 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they changed their naming scheme for it for some reason
< 1452041048 128928 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nonsense.
< 1452041070 901424 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the core sets haven't really been proper core sets for a while, because they've also been included in the philosophy of shaking things up
< 1452041082 368404 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as opposed to trying to incrementally improve what they had
< 1452041098 639312 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like formats like Tiny Leaders. you have to think hard to build something worthwile and play it well.
< 1452041102 154238 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I think this is why people like Legacy
< 1452041110 346298 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: Tiny Leaders was solved IIRC, or mostly solved
< 1452041122 281148 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
< 1452041130 664607 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :being basically Legacy but much more restricted, thus easier to work out the optimal play
< 1452041150 507552 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not familiar with Tiny Leaders.
< 1452041173 413215 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: it's Commander, but 50 card deck, and everything must have a CMC <=3.
< 1452041213 847787 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you start with 25 hp, no rules about your commander doing a specific amount of damage, and it costs 2 colourless more each time you want to recast your commander.
< 1452041233 993520 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila JOIN :#esoteric
< 1452041355 355477 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Beeswax14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46087&oldid=46079 5* 03Albedo 5* (+34) 10/* Bitwise operations */ pipe and ! rendering
< 1452041381 674802 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what the most expensive Modern common cards are.
< 1452041410 197659 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Beeswax14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46088&oldid=46087 5* 03Albedo 5* (+1) 10/* Global stack (gstack) instructions */
< 1452041472 526343 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Beeswax14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46089&oldid=46088 5* 03Albedo 5* (+17) 10/* Global stack (gstack) instructions */
< 1452041535 425617 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Beeswax14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46090&oldid=46089 5* 03Albedo 5* (+51) 10/* Arithmetic operations */
< 1452041548 299428 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks like that'd be Serum Visions.
< 1452041604 807916 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the joke is, serum visions isn't even a good card
< 1452041607 559070 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just all the better ones got banned
< 1452041868 127089 :p34k!~p34k@nat-wh-wz4-12.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de QUIT :
< 1452042053 567802 :jaboja!~jaboja@esa18.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1452042707 601970 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1452042892 655173 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1452043184 573767 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom
< 1452043186 102445 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indonesia/Indonesia is a large island country in Asia and the world's most populous muslim country. Its major export is rayon textile from the Indonesian fnord.
< 1452043219 960699 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :something went wrong somewhere in that, but I can't pinpoint it.
< 1452043350 480706 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? fnord
< 1452043351 931339 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1452043501 73684 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls
< 1452043503 41727 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​:-( \ 03(* \ bdsmreclist \ bin \ butwhatifichangesomething \ canary \ cat \ close \ *) \ Complaints.mp3 \ :-D \ dict-words \ dog \ emoticons \ etc \ evil \ factor \ good \ ibin \ interps \ le \ lib \ loudly é \ paste \ quines \ quotes \ share \ src \ wisdom \ wisdom.pdf
< 1452043513 202099 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat
< 1452043520 997860 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat cat
< 1452043524 680739 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meow~~  >^.^<
< 1452043529 822430 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1452043544 474799 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1452043649 430047 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` cat cat
< 1452043650 789095 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meow~~  >^.^<
< 1452044117 735313 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-02-1242510803.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :``words --gaelic
< 1452044118 582674 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: `words: not found
< 1452044124 671866 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-02-1242510803.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words --gaelic
< 1452044126 113663 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ghuil
< 1452044130 466171 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-02-1242510803.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words --gaelic 10
< 1452044131 906957 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgàlla diseaglaide ghòrr teach bhuile miosrat teasadh laid h-inn craoirb
< 1452044140 217792 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-02-1242510803.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :h-inn?
< 1452044238 115270 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-02-1242510803.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` words --russian
< 1452044241 82795 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​электади
< 1452044244 538448 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-02-1242510803.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` words --russian 10
< 1452044247 185051 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​асновомъ сстверяйте тькиепраштейские сакокладыге подвор полописы бабачившего ходингв прикоа хабастаю
< 1452044376 827594 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as egregious Russian consonant clusters are, I highly doubt there are any words that begin with sstv.
< 1452044395 712924 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` words --french 10
< 1452044397 933294 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wilit oaso impiusquerenceaux château touesourvi accompli hunt chémont ngit korfage
< 1452044420 502522 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-02-1242510803.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :bhelloily
< 1452044424 136294 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :château et accompli are legit.
< 1452044428 28098 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he\\oren\.
< 1452044446 652871 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` words --french 10
< 1452044448 614409 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :deki ductionn boursed rhumin aueniaisitabi cableite ble orons fsgt récieriazzo
< 1452044463 935636 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-02-1242510803.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fsgt?
< 1452044483 226531 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-02-1242510803.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ble is bleh
< 1452044488 138272 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words --norwegian 10
< 1452044489 891370 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sparakvaltningen forskningsavgivninjune høgsklæringer udekstrinensjefene førinstingen øybaroleteneseriaste bombyråene floakk formedisjonsbeslut snøbråsilkene
< 1452044522 962954 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm I should write that intercal library I wanted to write
< 1452044541 816822 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: make sure you avoid number clashes :-)
< 1452044543 728903 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-02-1242510803.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :floakk!
< 1452044565 907954 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are still a few groups of 1000 left but I advise you to stick to a group of 100 if you can, it'll save space
< 1452044566 229952 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no you see
< 1452044567 100718 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-02-1242510803.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` words --dutch 10
< 1452044568 476486 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown option: dutch
< 1452044577 72920 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( bombyråene sounds like something that is just a political mistake away from existing )
< 1452044623 485456 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-02-1242510803.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :floakk sounds to be like a new, inventive swearword
< 1452044638 477858 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION waits for the rest of coppro's sentence
< 1452044644 73964 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a floakk is an edible pastry.
< 1452044645 927452 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :floakk obviously is a new and upcoming word describing all the overflowing sewers global warming will bring
< 1452044654 614004 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the goal is to operand overload .4 to return a random number
< 1452044668 366901 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1452044673 191335 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you still need some line numbers for that though :-)
< 1452044684 275009 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's .4 normally used for?
< 1452044686 448428 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i think you would be hard-pressed to get norwegians to eat something rhyming with kloakk hth
< 1452044697 851776 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: probably as a general-purpose register
< 1452044706 974496 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it's one of the argument registers
< 1452044712 760932 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :used by stdlib
< 1452044718 558711 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they tend to be used in fairly consistent ways
< 1452044727 991017 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I think I can translate that without the help of any machine. bletch!
< 1452044728 577201 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :err no wait
< 1452044730 881644 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for full xkcdness I guess you should overload #4
< 1452044732 698387 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :not .4, #4
< 1452044736 522960 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1452044741 826214 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? fternooner
< 1452044743 478100 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fternooner (Danish »fternooner«, Norwegian «ttermiddag», Swedish ”ftermiddag”) is a screamingly delicious pastry.
< 1452044751 413777 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so now what I'm wondering is whether you can put a CREATEd operator into an operand overload
< 1452044764 56272 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :strikes me as the only way to get nondeterministic overloads
< 1452044786 389054 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my guess is no, although perhaps there's some way to make it work?
< 1452044794 839777 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to redo that code anyway to work violin into it
< 1452044809 695915 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, there's no reason it wouldn't work for a forward use
< 1452044815 54525 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what about a reverse assignment?
< 1452044824 160124 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about quantumly overloading it?
< 1452044852 926704 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a CLC-INTERCAL thing which is more like multithreading than anything else
< 1452044859 227891 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! c-intercal DO READ OUT #4 DO GIVE UP
< 1452044860 403266 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/bin/!: 4: exec: ibin/c-intercal: not found
< 1452044864 107484 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! cintercal DO READ OUT #4 DO GIVE UP
< 1452044871 422419 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​   \ IV
< 1452044911 894546 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! cintercal DO .1 <- .1/#4 DO .1 <- #5 DO READ OUT #4 PLEASE GIVE UP
< 1452044914 782083 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ICL277I	YOU CAN ONLY DISTORT THE LAWS OF MATHEMATICS SO FAR \         ON THE WAY TO 1 \         CORRECT SOURCE AND RESUBNIT
< 1452044925 472620 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it doesn't run with -v by default
< 1452044930 713579 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :need to try this locally
< 1452044963 146176 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i thought so too
< 1452045050 679776 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds
< 1452045180 263153 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? tea
< 1452045181 382361 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tea? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1452045188 191938 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? fentimans
< 1452045189 755206 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fentimans is a delicious beverage out from Hexham, that can be paired with a fresh fternooner for a nutritive midday snack.
< 1452045729 296668 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`?fternooner
< 1452045731 420836 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: ?fternooner: not found
< 1452045736 342270 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? fternooner
< 1452045739 275596 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fternooner (Danish »fternooner«, Norwegian «ttermiddag», Swedish ”ftermiddag”) is a screamingly delicious pastry.
< 1452045782 534483 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? nutritive
< 1452045785 249987 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nutritive? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1452045810 49855 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? Hexham
< 1452045814 109193 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hexham es la ciudad mas importante de programación esotérico
< 1452045824 317985 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? beverage
< 1452045827 501891 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :beverage? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1452045836 769610 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1452045838 247809 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​¯\(°​_o)/¯ is a misspelling of ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1452045842 711011 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1452045855 432123 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: IMPALER CHICKEN
< 1452045929 130431 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1452046462 877375 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1452046608 645032 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds
< 1452047421 203955 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zgrep: they're not actually identical, although your client may accidentally convert between them when pasting
< 1452047631 16094 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :alas, with myndzi gone the reasons may no longer be obvious.
< 1452047684 800274 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it a combining overline vs. non-combining difference?
< 1452047692 164145 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :or some such
< 1452047710 917667 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :or some nonprintable within it maybe
< 1452047724 499589 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the nonprintable
< 1452047752 721907 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` \? hutenosa | unidecode
< 1452047754 356357 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1452047793 234019 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably would've been too long output either way
< 1452047809 381358 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? hutenosa
< 1452047810 843801 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hutenosa? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1452047841 783960 :andrew!~andrew@61.141.94.171 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1452047845 119496 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. unidecode doesn't pipe.
< 1452047862 395753 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o/
< 1452047863 946843 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1452047864 901194 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :give my myzinda
< 1452047866 795153 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :please
< 1452047870 730555 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :          \o/
< 1452047872 938664 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :                \o/
< 1452047875 379143 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: SORRY
< 1452047876 485021 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :whyyy
< 1452047881 324229 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :crying face
< 1452047883 661215 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` \? z | xargs unidecode
< 1452047885 211832 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+007A LATIN SMALL LETTER Z] [U+003F QUESTION MARK] [U+0020 SPACE] [U+00AF MACRON] [U+0028 LEFT PARENTHESIS] [U+00B0 DEGREE SIGN] [U+200B ZERO WIDTH SPACE] [U+005F LOW LINE] [U+006F LATIN SMALL LETTER O] [U+0029 RIGHT PARENTHESIS] [U+002F SOLIDUS] [U+00AF MACRON]
< 1452047893 439299 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :    \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ 
< 1452047895 500659 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :myzindi
< 1452047897 845333 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :mm, ZWSP
< 1452047908 370616 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :alas there is no myndzi
< 1452047910 228427 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think you need xargs.
< 1452047913 322216 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not
< 1452047916 478755 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :what happens ;
< 1452047927 469512 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: we get signal
< 1452047966 193728 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :someobedy set up us the bong
< 1452047968 966316 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1452047970 659955 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hm, I have a habit of doing  foo | xargs bar  instead of  bar "$(foo)"  for some reason
< 1452047987 733628 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
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< 1452048128 152532 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw you all probably heard about this but someone did brainfu8ck in printf!
< 1452048134 3208 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was pretty impressed
< 1452048138 317060 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :the %n thing is ridiculous
< 1452048158 334292 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :i knew it could be used to start off code exec
< 1452048170 637309 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :but this guy did all the computation in a format string
< 1452048242 165434 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: I heard people reference it but didn't see the original
< 1452048244 165803 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :link?
< 1452048291 346266 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure
< 1452048316 872879 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1452048319 530520 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/HexHive/printbf
< 1452048323 82900 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks
< 1452048324 470451 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have to find it that takes finite time
< 1452048340 358004 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, just "sure" is a weird way to express that so I was a little confused
< 1452048355 39787 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it might be that you were looking for the link but wasn't sure
< 1452048360 574088 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah i love these "found" computers
< 1452048380 676727 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :ROP is my favorite because it's like moss growing in the cracks of a wall
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< 1452048478 527595 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: I was messing about with them even before I'd heard of esolangs
< 1452048486 352637 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :called it "alternate programming"
< 1452048490 219314 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats so cool :D
< 1452048498 779318 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but most of the things I looked at were very sub-TC
< 1452048502 491156 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know if i was befoer i heard about esolangs
< 1452048505 831600 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like MS Paint
< 1452048509 435038 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :subTC is really interesting
< 1452048534 918163 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(although now I'm wondering, what if you run it in monochrome mode so that the fill tool does patterns? still subTC but might be more powerful)
< 1452048545 698528 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1452048546 547795 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice
< 1452048557 403331 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably some modular arithmetic stuff becomes possible with paterns
< 1452048630 296130 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I believe it might.
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< 1452048724 131291 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hah, they're not identical! :D
< 1452048745 404212 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1452048746 785741 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​¯\(°_o)/¯ `? ¯\(°_o)/¯
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< 1452048786 90800 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1452048857 160274 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1452048858 627045 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​¯\(°_o)/¯ `? ¯\(°_o)/¯
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< 1452048889 941534 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: No, my client does not do that. HackEgo was using ¯\(°​_o)/¯ and I copied that.
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< 1452049231 375165 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zgrep: oh hm right.  i was misremembering which way the wisdom goes.
< 1452049424 579460 :mauris__!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :today i had the sudden realization that "myndzi" is probably pronounced as/derived from "mind's eye"
< 1452049462 945403 :mauris__!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i'd been mentally pronouncing it as min-dzee AND I WON'T STOP)
< 1452049559 838039 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :==mauris__
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< 1452049978 861807 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, that construction relies on printf reading the format string lazily
< 1452049988 445549 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :admittedly, most printfs will, there's no reason to scan it in advance
< 1452050001 692417 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :other than to prevent specifically that exploit
< 1452050109 743841 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also suspect it's sub-TC due to stack underflow
< 1452050140 389331 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :eventually printf will be reading arguments from stack locations that are before the start of the stack, and even if you have arbitrary control over memory, you still can't write to an unmapped address
< 1452050471 382825 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"nginx rewrote their own version of printf() and removed “ %n ”"
< 1452050482 156692 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, that's one way to avoid format string vulnerabilities :-)
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< 1452050987 495752 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The SQL function "PRINTF" in SQLite also disables "%n"
< 1452051126 656538 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The internal code still implements it, it just disables it when the list of arguments is a list of dynamically-typed SQL values)
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< 1452056531 918334 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDream
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< 1452058095 718481 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'll create an Esolangs community on Google+
< 1452058099 713139 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact, I already did xD
< 1452058117 580774 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just published a short article/advertisement of the community on the Programming G+ community
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< 1452059936 230950 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have other ideas to make custom Magic: the Gathering cards or puzzle or variant rule or whatever else?
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< 1452061336 832185 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay! Someon reshared my post on Brainfuck!
< 1452061393 886752 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: one I have made: cost {G}, instant, effect "Look at the top three cards of your library. You may put a land card from among them onto the battlefield. Place the rest on top of your library in any order."
< 1452061691 411464 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net NICK :hppavilion[1[
< 1452061694 851867 :hppavilion[1[!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net NICK :hppavilion[1]
< 1452061730 107826 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: OK thanks, what did you call it and do you think it is reasonable?
< 1452061753 400246 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't called it anything yet, and I think it's reasonable: the aim was to create a green cantrip-like spell to compete with the blue ones in Legacy
< 1452061760 774176 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
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< 1452061857 246418 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you make the database or card list file or whatever? Or even posted this idea anywhere else than right here right now?
< 1452061915 814697 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, how can I do in Linux, I want to use the mail system but treat local mail differently from mail received remotely, and also to use a different SMTP server for sending than for receiving messages. For example I do not want the email address to contain local usernames, but if a local user types something like "mail user1" then it is a local username.
< 1452061940 982589 :haavard!freebsd@haavard.me PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make something stronger than Serum Visions but weaker than Ponder and have Wizards pick it up
< 1452061944 983062 :haavard!freebsd@haavard.me PRIVMSG #esoteric :Need something modern legal ;)
< 1452061945 142023 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I haven't posted most of my ideas online, that was the first time I posted one I think
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< 1452061960 315081 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haavard: preordain is such a card, but it's also banned in modern
< 1452061969 958054 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's opt but it's even weaker than serum visions I think
< 1452062107 782126 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :One idea I had is "You may force target player to draw three cards" (a variant of Jace's Ingenuity, except that you can force other players to draw cards too, like Ancestral Recall but costs more and is abortable)
< 1452062151 475074 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: that's worded "you may have target player draw three cards" I think
< 1452062170 794157 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the situations in which you'd abort such a spell are very rare
< 1452062180 81684 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I doubt Wizards would print it because it'd mean extra clicks in Magic Online
< 1452062440 466806 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't expect Wizards of the Coast to really print any of my stuff; it is mainly for use in custom games
< 1452063056 669490 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ancestral Recall was originally designed to allow you to force opponent to draw cards as well as you (although it can now be used on teammates too; when it was designed there was no team game). Many cards only work on you and I don't like it much
< 1452063214 281287 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do now have the service to post the comments of my custom cards on the webpage, by use of web browser or curl. However, these custom cards are also available as plain text and SQLite database (the SQLite database includes the user comments too).
< 1452063216 208556 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: oh, that's a nice card. if it was a sorcery rather than an instant, then it looks plausibly printable. 
< 1452063265 27064 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/making-magic/pointcounterpoint-targeted-card-draw-2012-03-23 http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/latest-developments/pointcounterpoint-targeted-card-draw-2012-03-28
< 1452063266 345229 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why don't you write comment on my card yet? We should put it there in the place so that also other people even if on different IRC or not at all can also to read/write comment same including to reply
< 1452063269 981639 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: there are some blue cards that can have anyone draw cards, but they aren't optional (as in "may") usually, and they're rare because it's not worth the extra text over just "Draw three cards."
< 1452063275 950363 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: do you want an instant or a sorcery?
< 1452063283 90136 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for card draw, instant sometimes has extra cost
< 1452063293 904748 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: those are articles by R&D arguing the case for and against card draw spells having targets, respectively
< 1452063304 743922 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The card I described is an instant, and has the same cost as Jace's Ingenuity, it is what I designed it as.
< 1452063374 157564 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Look it the file to see
< 1452063440 48608 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: there's Inspiration; Deep Analysis; Opportunity each of them lets you choose any player
< 1452063796 705687 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please look my card (there are some new ones) and write comment too
< 1452064115 327909 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about a language that is ENTIRELY monads
< 1452064136 1297 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not like haskell, which is AFAICT functions with a side of monads (used for side effects)
< 1452064143 21713 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just pure, monady goodness
< 1452064149 771149 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note: I don't actually understand monads
< 1452064237 615875 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :functions are a monad too hth
< 1452064248 922465 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Oh right
< 1452064259 295950 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shit
< 1452064267 335899 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD
< 1452064296 47932 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, a lot of the other monads are wrappers over functions
< 1452064307 125453 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@unmtl State s a
< 1452064307 686313 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :s -> (a, s)
< 1452064415 536933 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Exactly. The idea was to restrict monads.
< 1452064453 106084 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@help unmtl
< 1452064453 265915 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :unroll mtl monads
< 1452064490 42746 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it's not so much a wrapper, as identifying functions that happen to have a monadic form, isn't it?
< 1452064537 433686 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's a wrapper for type inference to find the right arguments
< 1452064542 625480 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src State
< 1452064543 53264 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source not found. Are you typing with your feet?
< 1452064546 584639 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src StateT
< 1452064547 18856 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source not found. Do you think like you type?
< 1452064555 938057 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and @src is reliable as always
< 1452064599 146348 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, it's ambiguous:
< 1452064623 634287 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@unmtl ReaderT s (Writer s) a
< 1452064624 92936 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :s -> (a, s)
< 1452064634 291223 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :same function, different monad.
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< 1452067129 144994 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I looked at part of the first one so far
< 1452067154 327100 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: the first one agrees with you (although possibly has different reasoning), the secondd one disagrees
< 1452067170 403215 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :However as I have shown there are even more possibilities
< 1452067191 977493 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I think both kind of card are OK to have in the game.
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< 1452067470 172196 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do believe it should be targeted by default though, although nevertheless with many different kind of card available can make the game more diverse.
< 1452067498 928860 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol, there are joke mosquitos
< 1452067576 306529 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Puzzles are also one point in such diversity, but not the only reason
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< 1452068434 175205 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I looked at the two versions of "Raging Centaur" in the second article. They say many people prefer the first, although to me I prefer the second, not only because 1 more toughness but there may be possibility of advantage of the ability (which they even admit). However, the second version does have a clear disadvantage in Commander.
< 1452068583 686988 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: because it's harder to fit into decks?
< 1452068599 587755 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're playing BG anyway it's better I think
< 1452068740 412608 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So back to my idea about 3-sign numbers for no apparent reason
< 1452068761 661884 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: have you seen quaternions?
< 1452068765 291997 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~x, $x, &x. Or something like that.
< 1452068767 727664 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they have 8 signs though
< 1452068773 837594 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yes, hasn't everyone?
< 1452068775 477041 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, if you are playing both black and green it is better even in Commander.
< 1452068793 281884 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: I'm pretty sure at least one person hasn't
< 1452068796 74128 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you are not playing black then you cannot use it in Commander.
< 1452068799 721851 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I'm going for a simple extension of the naturals
< 1452068837 865488 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Well yes, we're excluding Roger when we discuss this sort of thing.
< 1452068840 598337 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do three signs include +?
< 1452068844 693866 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*shudder*
< 1452068863 919130 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: It's just notation, so you could say it does, or doesn't, or that it doesn't matter in the slightest.
< 1452069002 193626 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: what rules do your system obey? for example, is ~0 = $0 = &0 or not?
< 1452069035 179578 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: Yes, 0 is signless (or all signs, or its own sign)
< 1452069047 470243 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: The craziest thing is that this actually has a use somewhere
< 1452069068 880905 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is ~1 + $2?
< 1452069071 670727 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1452069084 666361 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: Still working on that xD
< 1452069085 330999 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the number system is meaningless without governing rules
< 1452069092 452717 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh.
< 1452069124 117361 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Specifically, hyperoperations. m[~4]b = m log b, whereas m[&4]b = the mth root of b
< 1452069132 51418 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Why I chose m and b, I have no idea)
< 1452069160 923999 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And m[$4]b = m[4]b = m**b
< 1452069191 877306 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: I think I'll start with unary operations
< 1452069242 899328 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :&$1 = ~1, $&1 = ~1, ~$1 = &1, $~1 = &1, ~&1 = $1, &~1 = $1
< 1452069259 661361 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And $$1 = &1, &&1 = ~1, and ~~1 = $1
< 1452069325 896233 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hopefully, that's consistent if we substitute x for 1
< 1452069333 882447 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, basically N x Z_3
< 1452069346 207334 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: ?
< 1452069369 222635 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :m
< 1452069371 257736 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did I accidentally just invent modular arithmetic with funny notation? xD
< 1452069425 998993 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: since 0 is signless, not exactly equivalent
< 1452069445 104372 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, isomorphic
< 1452069455 718721 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~&$1 = ~~1 = $1
< 1452069463 129547 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: how does addition work in N × Z₃?
< 1452069474 294707 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~&$1 = ~$&1, of course
< 1452069480 657988 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: afair there is only one group with 3 elements
< 1452069495 125133 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: depends. couöd be element wise
< 1452069521 337298 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: Um? Umlaut?
< 1452069522 726252 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, but that wouldn't act very like normal addition
< 1452069533 120114 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :could
< 1452069538 619613 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in particular, subtraction wouldn't really work at all
< 1452069542 758390 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ö is right next to l
< 1452069546 699577 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: also, if it *were* Z_3, then some sign should behave differently from others (and that would be the identity) but it doesn't seem so
< 1452069549 771870 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does x mean in N x Z₃?
< 1452069578 645768 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: oh, right
< 1452069585 922389 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: cross product
< 1452069586 693887 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: But I probably wouldn't do traditional subtraction; I'd do subtraction adjusted for my weird 3-sign system
< 1452069589 754142 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah?
< 1452069602 595728 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: I was basically asing what addition meant
< 1452069607 622212 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: not cartesian product?
< 1452069620 654105 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, yeah
< 1452069633 328449 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: I'm tempting to think it as an extension of GF(4), but not sure, I don't know enough group theory after all
< 1452069664 646187 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe (should) $$x = x, ~~x = x, &&x = x
< 1452069695 849893 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The above was a failed attempt to use Haskell-like syntax in speech)
< 1452069784 20935 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I never said it was a group or a ring or anything; just that it's numeric and has 3 signs
< 1452069812 238560 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: well yes, you still want to define addition and subtractoin in a mostly addition/subtraction-like way, though, don't you?
< 1452069813 141388 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'd probably have its own entirely alien set of operations
< 1452069843 452540 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Addition if I can, but subtraction doesn't make sense because x-y = x+(-y)
< 1452069866 529390 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: x+y-y=x
< 1452069881 251144 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you just don't have - then
< 1452069881 447872 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yes, that too
< 1452069890 5034 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: Exactly
< 1452069893 135135 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :x ~ y, x $ y
< 1452069900 766079 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :x & y
< 1452069901 547683 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it should be more the $, &, and ~ subtraction-like operations
< 1452069908 71028 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dammit, you beat me xD
< 1452069991 375724 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This will all make hyperoperations much more difficult, not having - xD
< 1452070004 425829 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how so?
< 1452070004 913565 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And just /imagine/ the order theory 0.o
< 1452070019 431909 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: Look up the definition of the hyperoperations and note the -
< 1452070038 964351 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :These 3-sign numbers, btw, are JUST for the hyperoperations index; not for the operands
< 1452070042 905802 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for now)
< 1452070286 825504 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?id=2253 it's funny 'cause it's true
< 1452071043 784574 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks like the card "Cleansing" even allow you to pay life to protect opponent's lands too.
< 1452071539 630563 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :
< 1452071723 116275 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds
< 1452072225 981737 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.228 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1452072783 468524 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How exactly does Cut the Tethers work? Does first the active player choose which spirits they own to pay for, possibly activates mana abilities and makes all the payments, then the other players make choices after those payments are done, and finally spirits are returned to their owner's hands?
< 1452072825 267716 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And what happens if some permanents become Spirits, or new Spirits are put into play (eg. by Forbidden Orchard), or some Spirits change ownership while paying?
< 1452072905 509368 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let me to see the rules to see if it mention its working
< 1452072943 602451 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :As far as I know it doesn't seem to mention "for each" effects but I may be misremembering
< 1452072985 233273 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even if not "for each" specifically, there are lots of general rules that may be covering this.
< 1452073074 685025 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The rules ought to define what "for each" means in order to make it clear.
< 1452073093 275770 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's rule 101.4 and stuff like that
< 1452073340 129656 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rule 101.4 describes APNAP order, although it also gives an example, which may be of use.
< 1452073506 185010 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does rule 608.2g apply?
< 1452073652 523066 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It still fails to explain exactly what "for each" means though
< 1452073705 659115 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I'm asking on efnet/#mtgrules currently
< 1452073884 182773 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1452073966 550186 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it is like this: the active player chooses which Spirits to avoid returning, and then the nonactive player does, and then each player who chose to avoid returning can activate mana abilities, and then the mana is paid, and then all are returned simultaneously. I am not sure though; it may be wrong.
< 1452074110 408856 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(What I mean is that before that, it is determined which permanents are Spirits and all of those ones are selected)
< 1452074178 555032 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it just seems unclear to me.
< 1452074211 336536 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: that would be very hard to imagine, because my payments can influence not only the set of spirits, but also how the opponent can activate mana abilities and/or how much mana he can get from them
< 1452074223 638824 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: so I don't see how you could make all the choices before paying
< 1452074323 315826 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :efnet/SFT says, without referring to rules, that first the set of spirits is locked in, then the active player makes all choices and does all payment, then the other players do all payment, then the other spirits remembered are returned
< 1452074357 237198 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cleansing is, incidentally, more horrible.
< 1452074399 38996 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Brainfuck14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46091&oldid=45679 5* 03Rdebath 5* (+1172) 10/* Shortest known "hello world" program. */ new section
< 1452074439 591122 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did realize that the set of Spirits must be locked in first, as the rules seem to mean that.
< 1452074443 553583 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: care to weigh in? The question is how resolving Cut the Tethers works, since when paying mana abilities, the set of Spirits may change.
< 1452074453 864078 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me look at that card
< 1452074498 56862 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :" How exactly does Cut the Tethers work? Does first the active player choose which spirits they own to pay for, possibly activates mana abilities and makes all the payments, then the other players make choices after those payments are done, and finally spirits are returned to their owner's hands?"
< 1452074538 987999 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd say you iterate over the spirits in turn in the usual order (I forget what that is) and for each spirit, when you come to it in the iteration, you can pay {3}, if you don't and it's still on the battlefield it bounces
< 1452074554 513979 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure though, don't have the rules memorized
< 1452074559 536745 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly we should be asking coppro about this
< 1452074604 679651 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(what's the most ridiculous possible situation? I'm trying to figure out a way for a card to become a Spirit as the result of paying a mana ability)
< 1452074623 682076 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which probably involves sacrificing an animated enchantment that's disabling the creature type somehow)
< 1452074672 982613 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since rule 610.3 and Banishing Light, you can even have new spirits enter the battlefield when activating a mana ability.
< 1452074719 770268 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I think the set of Spirits must be initially locked in, and that choices are made in APNAP order; but again I don't know. However, even so, the rest seem unclear to me
< 1452074725 585299 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: sacrifice a liquimetal-coated Lignify to a Krark-Clan Ironworks to turn a card back to a spirit
< 1452074727 157831 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, you use opalescence to animate a banishing light, then sacrifice it to phyrexian altar?
< 1452074739 902469 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, we had much the same idea there
< 1452074768 991338 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: sacrifice a liquimetal-coated Banishing Light to return a Spirit to the battlefield
< 1452074816 166368 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, there's a Phyrexian Altar? that might be even better! I was using Ashnod's Altar in my examples
< 1452074834 890813 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although Ashnod's Altar is cheaper apparently
< 1452074839 755303 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's uncommon
< 1452074851 743257 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There may even be situations in the game where you would want to ensure to do something during a mana step in order to avoid state-based actions that would otherwise occur in between the mana abilities being activated.
< 1452074860 242101 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tbf ashnod's altar is probably better too
< 1452074872 878614 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :{2} is better than one mana of any colour IMO
< 1452074875 67850 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, Ashnod's Altar is more powerful in a real game
< 1452074962 490620 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: there are also cycles of land that have mana abilities that sacrifice that land, which can (in theory, not likely in real games) affect how much mana an opponent can pay with Exotic Orchard or Felwar Stone
< 1452074987 750019 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/Felwar/Fellwar/
< 1452075010 436554 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, let's ask coppro
< 1452075012 179123 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: ^
< 1452075016 415206 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or reflecting pool
< 1452075030 113393 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually there are quite a lot of effects like that
< 1452075040 917479 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reflecting Pool is on your own mana
< 1452075058 325865 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :still, same problem for this example
< 1452075060 891687 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but of course Ahnod's Altar or Krark-Clan Ironworks can directly sacrifice lands or mana-producing artifacts
< 1452075074 498236 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although cut the tethers doesn't care about colour, we can make it care by sacrificing the last colour-producing land
< 1452075083 39780 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which might be, say, a dryad arbor)
< 1452075102 16051 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: color matters because if I no longer own a land that produces any _colored_ mana, then the opponent's Exotic Orchard can't produce mana at all
< 1452075108 908437 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that's what I said
< 1452075139 932974 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Befana  YOU PEOPLE DON'T HAVE THIS?!?
< 1452075141 584064 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :WTF?!
< 1452075194 63084 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me look this up, there were rules clearly stating that at least for paying the mana costs of a spell or ability, you choose how to pay for everything first, then make the payments all together, but the payments have to be possible, or something
< 1452075201 579343 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :With Cleansing I suppose it might work by first locking the set of all lands, and then the active player chooses which to protect (they don't have to be his own) and pays, and then the nonactive player chooses which to protect (he may choose ones that are already protected) and pays, and then all unprotected lands are destroyed simultaneously. Is that it? I don't know
< 1452075221 808240 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I'm trying to figure out a set of langs which can't collectively all be tapped for mana, but which can individually all be tapped for mana
< 1452075340 824042 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: there are lots of lands that can produce _more_ mana if you sacrifice them, but you can still get fewer mana from them
< 1452075374 773230 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right, I didn't mean like that
< 1452075436 962808 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :These kind of thing are reasons why I would intend to design the new card game by writing the rules as a literate computer program with mathematical definitions included, and then the cards also have computer codes associated with them. This way can make the rules much more clear!
< 1452075462 953212 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have had thoughts about trading card game design
< 1452075492 494288 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that are designed to eliminate memorized information (i.e. all information about the gamestate is conveyed by the position of the cards), and yet be reasonably flexible in how the rules work
< 1452075538 42527 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I would also probably intend to design a new literate programming system for this purpose, one thing being to arrange sections in the way which is more suitable for this kind of document. Also probably it will compile into a new VM called CardVM made for this purpose, so it is even a new VM too)
< 1452075715 22499 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's strange lands like Lake of the Dead
< 1452075890 155435 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: That does look like reasonable I suppose, although it doesn't seem to address the kind of issues that I address?
< 1452075911 178058 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: well there's nothing inherently open-source or closed-source about rules
< 1452075954 174267 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd also have a streamlined computer interface compared to Magic because most of the decisions you could make would be small numbers of choices from large sets, rather than large numbers of choices from small sets
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< 1452076317 19074 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you miss the point. While these things I am suggesting would be open-source, it is not the point I am trying to make.
< 1452076388 89379 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: you think they should be in a programming language not natural language so that they're clearer to enforce
< 1452076389 156028 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: right, it should somehow make sure not to have to ask for choices from both players very frequently that are irrelevant for the game most of the time, such as the order triggers go to the stack, the order objects simultanously entering a zone get their timestamps, which replacement effect is applied when there is more than one possible, etc.
< 1452076400 313403 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\ such as the order triggers go to the stack, the order objects simultanously entering a zone get their timestamps, which replacement effect is applied when there is more than one possible, etc.
< 1452076401 448762 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: but Hearthstone and MTGO both work like that, just the rules are closed-souce
< 1452076407 284260 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*closed-source
< 1452076446 948032 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently there are lots of lands from before modern that sacrifice themselves for mana, and I didn't really know about them.
< 1452076447 561425 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I can see that, and yet it is a kind of problem, since then it is difficult to know the rules of the game. I don't mean enforcing the rules, I mean even just knowing the rules!
< 1452076453 481342 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: probably the biggest choice I made was to not have replacement or triggered abilities; rather, all abilities are activated (for drawback abilities your opponent can activate them for you)
< 1452076490 62661 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sixth edition has a cycle of uncommon lands like Svyelunite Temple that tap for M, or tap and sacrifice for MM; 
< 1452076490 908432 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also activated abilities that work from the graveyard only work on the top card in the graveyard
< 1452076515 945171 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That idea about the top card of graveyard I have actually had too
< 1452076559 164179 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Odyssey has a cycle of uncommon lands like Seafloor Debris that tap for M, or tap and sacrifice for one mana of any color.
< 1452076567 521241 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of death triggers, basically you just activate the card once it reaches the graveyard
< 1452076588 440209 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But some of my other ideas would include that the game is design to work whether or not a computer is in use, and that CardVM is completely independent of the user interface and server and client and so on; it only implements game rules and nothing else.
< 1452076598 606026 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Invasion has a cycle of common lands like Ancient Spring that tap for M or tap and sacrifice for DE in allied colors.
< 1452076634 144136 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Maybe you may also intend that the stack (if any) is only for cards and not activated abilities? It seem to fit what you have said earlier
< 1452076639 72367 :haavard!freebsd@haavard.me PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to understand what's being discussed here
< 1452076647 946594 :haavard!freebsd@haavard.me PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you designing a new card game?
< 1452076648 105340 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And apart from these three cycles, there are several individual lands like this: Archaeological Dig is an uncommon in invasion that taps for 1 or taps and sacrifices for one mana of any one color.
< 1452076662 227245 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yes, in order to activate an ability you move the card itself to the stack
< 1452076674 374947 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haavard: we're discussing potential designs that new card games could use
< 1452076676 363211 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Crystal Vein is a strange land that taps and sacrifices for 2.
< 1452076697 572060 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Ah, OK, yes that works too
< 1452076718 585270 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the ability tells you where to put the card once it resolves
< 1452076731 681017 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can whether it's a cast or an ability by where the card is on the stack
< 1452076747 763349 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are so many cards in Magic and I'm learning about them in a slow pace, and can't keep up with how fast they're published.
< 1452076751 594614 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such as if it is placed forward or turned right do you mean?
< 1452076754 375647 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this also means that most activated abilities can only be cast in response to something, which adds strategy to the ame)
< 1452076754 571709 :haavard!freebsd@haavard.me PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see. And why is b_jonas and zzo38 looking for sac-lands? :P
< 1452076767 380724 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: no, it's based on whether it's the bottom of the stack or higher
< 1452076785 448988 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also you can only respond to your opponent's actions, not your own (this greatly reduces the number of priority passes)
< 1452076796 789464 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that is something to do too
< 1452076809 293830 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :They are interesting ideas
< 1452076881 406 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can prevent your opponent activating abilities by just not doing anything, but this is probably a bad idea because you're basically giving your opponent free attacks
< 1452076892 908921 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haavard: I'm looking for sac lands because some of those seem to be practically usable so I should buy them, but also they are lands with tap mana abilities that sacrifice a permanent immediately, which has strange rules consequences, somewhat similarly to Krark-Clan Ironworks, Ashnod's Altar, Phyrexian Altar. 
< 1452076922 826376 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I like this you can design such card game too
< 1452076956 346793 :haavard!freebsd@haavard.me PRIVMSG #esoteric :What kind of strange rules consequences are these, b_jonas?
< 1452076983 547864 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(At least the latter ones don't have a tap in them, so they don't trigger "a land is tapped for" rules, although their abilities can still be copied to a land with Quicksilver Elemental or Experiment Kraj and so they can affect Fellwar.)
< 1452077023 553110 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mind you, there's also Phyrexian Tower, which is a land that taps and sacrifices any creature for mana, so it's ruleswise the most horrible.
< 1452077052 740151 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the phyrexians are like that
< 1452077089 689845 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haavard: strange rules consequences because you can often activate mana abilities in strange times, like while a player is resolving a spell or ability, or when paying for attack restrictions. 
< 1452077095 755380 :haavard!freebsd@haavard.me PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should get Datatog in here.
< 1452077100 502748 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: That means you can even sacrifice a creature during a mana step
< 1452077113 180895 :haavard!freebsd@haavard.me PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, I see..
< 1452077122 682324 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I looked up those common and uncommon lands because I should consider buying some of them. They are cheaper than the Vivid lands.
< 1452077146 910672 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you can active multiple mana ability, even to avoid state-based action in between if doing it during a mana step
< 1452077159 387079 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: so say you have yet another æther vortex in play, and you sacrifice a panglacial wurm on top of your library to phyrexian tower to pay for itself
< 1452077163 608398 :haavard!freebsd@haavard.me PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sort of like how Selvala also has weird interactions if she fails to produce enough mana
< 1452077192 976817 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haavard: I think the public Magic rules question answering services ended up vetoing selvala + panglacial wurm questions after a bit
< 1452077288 767856 :haavard!freebsd@haavard.me PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the one where you search your library, right?
< 1452077308 293410 :haavard!freebsd@haavard.me PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you reveal at the same time, and end up having to reverse everything etc.
< 1452077332 37319 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haavard: it's the one that can be cast from your library while you're searching it
< 1452077336 284861 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would completely rewrite the rules for what can be reversed and what happens if impossible
< 1452077370 56277 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually the main complexity here is that selvala lets you draw a card while you're searching your library, so you need to have kept the library in order during the search
< 1452077390 493540 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doing so requires introducing the concepts of "entropy" and "transactional controller"
< 1452077393 296951 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(luckily you can't draw the panglacial wurm itself because I think it's on the stack at that point? which also answers my æther vortex question)
< 1452077426 445748 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: It seem clear to me how it works, although outside of a puzzle it may be less clear what to do about it I suppose
< 1452077483 546180 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And also "automatically losing on time"
< 1452077543 863645 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well in a tournament, you play 5 turns after time runs out, it's a draw if nobody wins in that time
< 1452077554 936623 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's because it's normally very hard to determine who's responsible for the game going slowly
< 1452077568 514928 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with all the priority passes involved
< 1452077685 254502 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is also unimportant in puzzles, although I happen to just like the puzzles much more than actual play game anyways
< 1452077866 313875 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really like the gameplay either, I just like the mental exercise of thinking about the game
< 1452077873 168565 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly in terms of hypothetical mental deckbuilding
< 1452077901 372884 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Look at my puzzles and see if you can figure it out!
< 1452077938 717981 :haavard!freebsd@haavard.me PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: puzzles?
< 1452078032 357256 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I made many puzzles of Magic: the Gathering. (Other people have also made many)
< 1452078051 840503 :haavard!freebsd@haavard.me PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neat, got a link? Sounds like fun
< 1452078101 841475 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. They are http://zzo38computer.org/textfile/miscellaneous/magic_card/puzzle.1 up to puzzle.6 (although puzzle.1 isn't very good, the rest are better)
< 1452078162 252386 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(You can look up card texts on Gatherer or something else)
< 1452078181 685150 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know rules of Magic: the Gathering? If you do not, then it is difficult.
< 1452078224 246563 :haavard!freebsd@haavard.me PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty familiar with the rules, yeah
< 1452078235 68660 :haavard!freebsd@haavard.me PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll check these out later when I'm off work :)
< 1452078256 812552 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1452078351 956000 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also made up several custom cards (none are used in the puzzles though, nor are these custom cards necessarily fixed), in case you have interest in such thing as that too
< 1452078635 554484 :haavard!freebsd@haavard.me PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really find custom Magic interesting unless it's joke cards or something like that
< 1452078790 100241 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did make joke cards too but I keep it in a separate file
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< 1452079811 228930 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :" so say you have yet another æther vortex in play, and you sacrifice a panglacial wurm on top of your library to phyrexian tower to pay for itself" -- I don't think that works, because you have to move the card to the stack before deciding how to pay for it.
< 1452079829 105799 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: right, I noticed that later
< 1452079849 275598 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's this "selvala"?
< 1452079898 109885 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :" (luckily you can't draw the panglacial wurm itself because I think it's on the stack at that point? which also answers my æther vortex question)" - ah good
< 1452079951 312813 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: selvala has a mana ability where everyone reveals-and-draws a card and you add mana to your mana pool equal to the number of lands revealed
< 1452079971 510845 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which IMO is one of the worst mistakes from a rules perspective ever made
< 1452079974 861565 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in M:tG
< 1452080006 605188 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :might be the number of nonlands revealed, can't remember which, but lands makes more sense really
< 1452080018 174958 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, Selvala: Explorer Returned from Conspiracy?
< 1452080023 336887 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1452080106 10979 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is that much worse than mana abilities that let you sacrifice any creature or any artifact? Sacrificing an artifact can cause permanents to return to play, lots of characteristic changes, and also players losing the game.
< 1452080156 806658 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In my opinion the problem is the rules about rewinding, which could be fixed much better, and avoid some of these problems
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< 1452080264 116838 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: because you can't tell with certainty how much mana you're going to get
< 1452080275 467463 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, you could cast llanowar elves or something like that with only selvala to pay for it
< 1452080295 785530 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I see, the problem is that it adds a variable amount of mana to your pool, so you can't decide how to pay and then do all the payments.
< 1452080296 813224 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then turns out you get 0 mana off the mana ability, but now everyone has looked at the top card of their library
< 1452080298 746914 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1452080329 656180 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IMO that ability should have been restricted to being cast at instant speed
< 1452080342 396144 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's really no reason to be able to do it at mana ability speed; the cases where that matters are really obscure
< 1452080342 922816 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that is a problem, but it isn't a big problem, in the sense that it can be fixed easily with a rules change on 605.1 to turn that ability not a mana ability.
< 1452080367 977991 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: they can still fix that by changing the comprehensive rules or the oracle text of that card
< 1452080369 770216 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(some kind of mana leak effect with split second would do it)
< 1452080372 138852 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would do very differently fixed
< 1452080374 609776 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: right, and I hope they do
< 1452080417 59496 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although you can get variable mana payments even without selvala, can't you? sacrifice something that doubles mana output as a means of generating mana
< 1452080426 145136 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the difference there is that it's not a random factor, you know in advance that it's going to happen
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< 1452080449 306392 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you don't have enough mana, the player in the process of casting the spell concedes if he has not already seen the top card of his opponent's library.
< 1452080460 430818 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric : That is how I would write the rules
< 1452080465 272397 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have there already been a way, before Selvala, to find out about hidden information during a mana ability? I think there probably has been, but I wonder how.
< 1452080504 764192 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even if it's a mana ability where you know exactly what mana it will give.
< 1452080523 584009 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: mana abilities that draw cards as a side effect while lantern of insight is in play
< 1452080531 13202 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(there are a few mana filterers that also draw cards)
< 1452080535 72382 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are some mana ability to draw cards, and there are also replacement effects that can cause various stuff
< 1452080591 684977 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: (a) what mana ability draws cards as a side effect, and (b) no, I think there's a specific rule for drawing cards to stop this,
< 1452080619 214787 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The Gatherer rulings tell you not to look at those cards, although the rules of the game seem to say no such thing; my proposed way of fixing the rules would be that if you do choose to look at the card that makes it unreversible and forces you to concede if there is no other possibility)
< 1452080622 365756 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :401.5 although that's restricted.
< 1452080632 779622 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: chromatic sphere
< 1452080652 148866 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rulings say it's a mana ability (which makes sense, as it has no targets and generates mana), but it draws a card
< 1452080674 777666 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah right, Chromatic Sphere.
< 1452080731 849821 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :401.5 covers only the time while a spell or ability is being played, which might be enough, becuse those are the times when a transaction that may have to be reversed is active.
< 1452080759 581617 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And 401.6 says the same about the top card of the library
< 1452080761 221413 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such thing may also force the transactional controller's teammates to concede, depending on situation, in my proposed rule changes.
< 1452080803 931137 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I think because of 401.5 and 401.6 that example won't cause a player to learn any hidden information while casting a spell, 
< 1452080824 381581 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although you're right that it can cause information to be learnt while you're paying for an effect, but in that case it's not a problem.
< 1452080848 960521 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: so what if you use two chromatic spheres on the same spell
< 1452080856 657010 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with lantern of insight in play
< 1452080863 760049 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does the opponent get to see the second card you draw, and if so, when?
< 1452080863 946875 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone who deliberate takes advantage of these rules that force someone to concede or to help his teammates, is disqualified.
< 1452080880 251480 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no, because of 401.6
< 1452080903 411103 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but normally if you draw two cards with a "reveal the top card of your library" effect in play, the opponent sees both
< 1452080999 864741 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: oh, do you mean whether they see the spell later, after all the reversible stuff ends?
< 1452081016 758881 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know
< 1452081024 603827 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: right
< 1452081055 224142 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm vaguely reminded of the questions involving unexpectedly having a sylvan library trigger when you brainstormed earlier in the turn
< 1452081059 453526 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I forget what the setup is
< 1452081088 31979 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it suddenly becomes relevant which cards you drew off the brainstorm, which the opponent isn't entitled to know and yet you have to prove)
< 1452081122 486961 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure nobody gets to see the cards _during_ playing any spell or ability, even if that's not the spell or ability relevant for paying, because there's nested Panglacials involved.
< 1452081149 498451 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1452081161 311475 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :My exam this morning (on linear optimization and game theory) did not go well
< 1452081171 295261 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Largely because I forgot how to do both linear optimization and game theory
< 1452081172 427547 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :By the way, even though Panglacial used to look really scary to me, I'm starting to think it doesn't really cause any serious rules problems that you wouldn't have otherwise.
< 1452081194 712988 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only real influence it has is that you can't reorder your library while searching it
< 1452081231 353076 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also with my propsed rules: If an action that involved a library being shuffled must be rewound, what happens depends on the history of the game.
< 1452081260 976211 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are there any mana abilities that cause a player to shuffle their library?
< 1452081261 879408 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, and also that the cards you found when searching stay in the library (in the same place) until something actually causes you to move them.
< 1452081295 275067 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Lich's Mirror I think
< 1452081309 942024 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: haha, beautiful
< 1452081314 594291 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(sorry)
< 1452081317 418417 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that screws things up much more than just the library shuffle I think
< 1452081323 329325 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why?
< 1452081329 714705 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it still doesn't cause to reveal any information
< 1452081338 930869 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it also shuffles your hand and all your permanents into your library and draws you seven cards
< 1452081365 996748 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is a pretty screwy effect for a mana ability to have
< 1452081368 885536 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even regardless of mana abilities causing players to lose as a side effect (eg. by saccing a Platinum Angel), it has always been the case that players can leave the game at basically any time by conceding
< 1452081391 840785 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is it a screwy effect?
< 1452081407 583694 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just a large change to the gamestate, there's a lot of zone changes involved
< 1452081408 711181 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, more screwy than just sacrificing permanents
< 1452081417 731734 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although admittedly most of them can be done individually (sacrifice, card draw)
< 1452081430 807635 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, card draw?
< 1452081432 455849 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh damn
< 1452081444 438242 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, card draw
< 1452081447 572539 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like with Chromatic Sphere
< 1452081455 55254 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1452081494 138566 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :all that while you're still searching your library and you cast a Panglacial?
< 1452081506 575473 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, you move cards to your library while searching?
< 1452081509 435272 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is probably the only way to move a card from your graveyard to your hand at mana ability speed though
< 1452081537 546469 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: hmm yes, enlarging the library mid-search is a little screwy
< 1452081549 687077 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not counting reverting a move from the hand to the graveyard?
< 1452081592 448655 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, that doesn't really count.
< 1452081593 92745 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1452081596 708806 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :crazy
< 1452081635 946639 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so let's see: I have lich's mirror in play, play a card that lets me search for (say) two lands, I find one, cast panglacial wurm by paying my last point of life to generate mana, panglacial wurm's on the stack but the land I found ends up in my hand naturally, then I find another land that was previously in my graveyard
< 1452081644 120108 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or does that not work? and if so, why not?
< 1452081674 591213 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :when searching, do you do panglacial wurm casting before or after you find things, or both? before makes the most sense rules-wise
< 1452081701 708481 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no, you don't lose from 0 life until state-based actions are ran
< 1452081714 803966 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right
< 1452081720 502586 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :any way to lose faster than that?
< 1452081729 339033 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(other than conceding which would disrupt the rest of the "combo")
< 1452081731 816494 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1452081811 906792 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno
< 1452081825 252202 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could lose a Platinum Angel, but that might not be enough for anything
< 1452081849 817616 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I was wrong and you can't lose the game immediately from a mana ability, other than by conceding?
< 1452081857 520893 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in comprehensive rules)
< 1452081929 883972 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there anything like AWK for working with binary data?
< 1452081948 649356 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1452081953 887910 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Forbidden Crypt
< 1452081955 83344 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: perl with use open IO=>':bytes' is pretty close
< 1452081982 205650 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: that works I think
< 1452081985 397749 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: my goal with this is 70% making my friends look at me funny
< 1452081992 248206 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :replacement effect so it copies the speed of the card draw
< 1452081995 167409 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and possibly Nefarious Lich if you can somehow get damage dealt during
< 1452081997 561984 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I could use strings of 1s and 0s
< 1452082013 379081 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: well that'd be good for making your friends look at you funny
< 1452082038 439938 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: is your data aligned on bytes, or is it a bitstream?
< 1452082039 875451 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you deal damage while activating mana abilities?
< 1452082050 819588 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: it's aligned on 108-bit chunks
< 1452082057 111302 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I believe some ways to do so yes
< 1452082150 99704 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some mana abilities deal damage to their controller
< 1452082172 258185 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(This damage may be redirected)
< 1452082199 337011 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: that might depend on which implementation of awk you take, but for some awk it is definitely possible, because http://pts.szit.bme.hu/muzcat-mini-latest.tar.gz handles binary data and has a gawk version
< 1452082223 267699 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: eep.
< 1452082303 520657 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1452082307 424067 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might actually be wrong
< 1452082324 765431 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe the gawk version doesn't actually work.
< 1452082337 869964 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it'd be fine for me to use strings of 1s and 0s
< 1452082389 593513 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a compile_gawk.sh but it's not mentioned in the README and it doesn't seem to be actually supported in muzcat.c so I don't think it works.
< 1452082393 686247 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll have to ask PTS about this.
< 1452082441 65600 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: oh right
< 1452082581 977298 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The issue is I want to do bitwise logic on these to some extent
< 1452082663 291311 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oooh, Gawk supports that!
< 1452082711 449497 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: let me recap. while resolving a tutor, you cast a Panglacial from your library, and to pay for it, you tap a Skyshroud Forest, replace its damage with Nefarious Lich, mirror the loss with Lich's Mirror, and that gets cards into your library.
< 1452082715 435709 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait wait
< 1452082830 180319 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lich's Mirror has you shuffle all permanents you own into your library? So if I am so gracious as to Bazaar Trader a Lich's Mirror to an opponent, he can use it repeatedly to replace game loss?
< 1452082837 731524 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's nice of Lich's Mirror.
< 1452082850 92778 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: LOCKPICK CHICKEN
< 1452082850 406807 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although and("1110", "1011") prints 82
< 1452082855 617475 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not entirely sure what's going on
< 1452082856 980564 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't cause any rules problem, just wondering.
< 1452082878 795934 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :82 in binary'd be 1010010 right?
< 1452082952 406871 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb
< 1452082955 853994 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: yes, but the and function in awk operates on numbers, and just like perl, awk automatically converts strings to numbers by interpreting them as decimal, unless they have a 0x or something
< 1452082960 454872 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: 1110 & 1011 in decimal *is* 82
< 1452082970 61916 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaaargh
< 1452082986 981825 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear...
< 1452082990 438539 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't want to know this
< 1452082991 46323 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right
< 1452082994 340055 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see what I'm doing now
< 1452083005 66503 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :awk has a variable like perls' $# but BACKWARDS, controlling conversion from number to string
< 1452083028 262879 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait
< 1452083029 944925 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't 
< 1452083030 765872 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whew
< 1452083051 877725 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CONVFMT of gawk is just the same as $# of perl: it controls converting numbers to strings
< 1452083055 382476 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :still scary enough
< 1452083056 826532 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but less so
< 1452083111 908905 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although apparently locales might be involved, depending on moon phase and stuff
< 1452083116 687399 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want to know the details
< 1452083133 876160 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, in simple cases, auto-conversion from string to integer in awk will read decimal
< 1452083142 423203 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't generally do awk)
< 1452083177 806707 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The man says it always just does strtod, but I can't get it to accept hexadecimal floats for some reason.
< 1452083226 408713 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: wait wait
< 1452083258 345928 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: does strtod do hexfloats on your system? (and does it depend on compiler flags?)
< 1452083282 321846 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: My 'man strtod' claims it does, but I didn't verify that.
< 1452083308 941105 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :C11 strtod certainly is supposed to.
< 1452083314 198550 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(As is the C99 one, I think.)
< 1452083315 573560 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :parsing some things you previously didn't parse is a backwards compat change
< 1452083365 972127 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: wait, if Panglacial isn't involved, does this mean that while paying the costs of a spell you're playing, you may have to shuffle your library in such a way that most of its cards are still hidden, but that you can revert the shuffling if the playing fails?
< 1452083371 672198 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I vaguely recall that it might've been a C99 addition.
< 1452083377 921367 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's technically possible, but would be very ugly to do in practice.
< 1452083403 736701 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I guess yes, you could set off a shuffle and draw while playing a spell
< 1452083406 832647 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably you'd postpone physically shuffling the library till later
< 1452083425 704393 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then activate selvala (who was under a banishing light) /after/ that and discover you didn't have enough mana :-)
< 1452083449 313452 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd have to shuffle immediately because you need to randomize the top card of your library for the lich's mirror draw and for selvala's ability
< 1452083454 130193 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you don't need Selvala, just a player conceding can be enough to cause you to revert the stuff
< 1452083469 424301 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :selvala lets you pull it off in a 2p game
< 1452083471 446523 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but good point
< 1452083472 286702 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you don't have to physically shuffle for that, you can randomize without that
< 1452083481 526607 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ni fact
< 1452083484 24086 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this doesn't need panglacial /or/ selvala
< 1452083495 208476 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can probably put off the card drawing till later too
< 1452083504 465361 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because nobody can look at the drawn card anyway
< 1452083516 102842 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you'd postpone the physical act of (shuffling and drawing card)
< 1452083521 864898 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if you're discarding the (face-down) cards for mana
< 1452083522 269572 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if it happens from a game perspective
< 1452083539 81493 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that 4??.? rule regulates that too
< 1452083545 347250 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it counts as having no characteristics while it's hidden
< 1452083552 315547 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to try to get enough after your exotic orchards got turned off by an opponent conceding
< 1452083575 848246 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: no, I mean is there no ability that lets you simply discard cards to generate mana? (possibly with an extra t in the cost)
< 1452083579 269300 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with no requirements on them?
< 1452083604 535561 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: um... I don't think so
< 1452083631 91152 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: there's the Spirit Guide but that doesn't help here
< 1452083638 946060 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you can't activate it until the card is revealed
< 1452083677 489175 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh samn
< 1452083678 952002 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is
< 1452083682 158627 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Bog Witch
< 1452083697 774149 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and also Lion's Eye Diamond (duy)
< 1452083701 94694 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: oh, I was going to use another chromatic sphere + chains of mephistopheles
< 1452083707 763132 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lion's eye diamond definitely works too
< 1452083713 105500 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Overeager Apprentice
< 1452083714 616216 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, no
< 1452083722 71436 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lion's eye diamond is restricted to instant speed
< 1452083722 966560 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Skirge Familiar, the simplest
< 1452083739 280559 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's a mana ability but with a timing restriction
< 1452083741 508529 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :)
< 1452083745 209309 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, how does Skirge Familiar work?
< 1452083758 393357 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :skirge failiar's just a regular mana ability though
< 1452083773 991981 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a creature with "Discard a card: Add {B} to your mana pool." and no drawback?
< 1452083781 13341 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it costs 5
< 1452083783 566815 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that seems horribly overpowered even for an Urza's card
< 1452083784 396136 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a drawback
< 1452083786 744887 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even still
< 1452083797 972817 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, that's like Channel level broken, isn't it?
< 1452083806 494870 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, you can't play it first turn
< 1452083807 21282 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it's harder to get 19 cards than 19 life
< 1452083807 423251 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still
< 1452083815 214720 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1452083819 276094 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, I guess that's true
< 1452083832 713346 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, it's not _that_ broken then
< 1452083839 700510 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not more than Ashnod's Altar
< 1452083877 963351 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It wouldn't be printed now, but you're right that it's not too broken
< 1452083911 744740 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, so the question is what happens if you use Skirge Familiar to discard a card you just drew with Chromatic Sphere, all while paying for a spell?
< 1452083951 62999 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :here: I cast an expensive spell, filter a mana with chromatic sphere, the draw gets replaced by forbidden crypt and causes me to lose (empty graveyard), which gets replaced by lich's mirror, then I discard the resulting 7 cards to a skirge familiar that came back from under a banishing light (or that an opponent owns but I control), then I try to pay the remaining mana with a shimmering pool that came back from under a different banishing light
< 1452083961 703852 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in response, my only opponent who controls any colour-producing lands concedes
< 1452083988 105012 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so I'm short one mana for the spell
< 1452083995 927413 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(without concessions I would be guaranteed to have enough)
< 1452084008 321367 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also the forbidden crypt gets shuffled in by the lich's mirror so doesn't affect the subsequent card draws)
< 1452084153 798813 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :SirCmpwn: what's a "shimmering pool"?
< 1452084172 130599 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird misping there
< 1452084180 889922 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch
< 1452084184 673632 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean the land that generates opponent-coloured mana
< 1452084188 372842 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably a mistap and a tab
< 1452084191 349430 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you somehow typo ais as si?
< 1452084201 20419 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, I probalby just tried to press a tab
< 1452084204 891800 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"a" and then tab
< 1452084213 632938 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but instead pressed "s" followed by tab
< 1452084235 573748 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you mean a Reflecting Pool? or some other card?
< 1452084268 739728 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I meant Exotic Orchard
< 1452084272 92305 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there'll be a Mirror Pool in the next expansion, but it doesn't seem relevant
< 1452084292 882346 :AlexR42!~textual@136.169.242.7 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1452084312 369277 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure how I got that confused
< 1452084318 45881 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, almost out of battery, and it's lunchtime
< 1452084319 501727 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye everyone
< 1452084323 51055 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :
< 1452084363 851152 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(There's multiple cards with Shimmering, and two of them can give any color.)
< 1452084690 148813 :SirCmpwn!~sircmpwn@irc.sircmpwn.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: what?
< 1452084709 74498 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :AWK seems to use 53 bit integers
< 1452084725 220040 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :gawk, at least
< 1452084794 301501 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, you can set that
< 1452084915 670106 :SirCmpwn!~sircmpwn@irc.sircmpwn.com PART #esoteric :"WeeChat 1.3"
< 1452086317 749146 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: efnet/Athildur claims (without rule proof) that if there's a Chromatic Lantern otb and I use two Chromatic Spheres while casting a spell, then after the spell is successfully cast, opponents get to look at both cards.
< 1452086449 610520 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How is that?
< 1452086492 518643 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: no wait
< 1452086536 144526 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, he has already seen the first card anyway, before the spell, and will see the next card on top of my library after casting, and the question was whether he sees the second card I draw.
< 1452086616 38097 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also asked what happens if there's no chromatic lantern, but while casting an elephant, I draw a card with Chromatic Sphere and then discard it to Skirge Familiar. They say it's probably permitted, but no answer yet on why you can't look at it.
< 1452086692 472507 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/(...)ch/out-\1/fizz
< 1452086707 169284 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, no regex replacement bot, right.
< 1452086918 711708 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just believe that rule 717 needs to be entirely rewritten in order to avoid such problems.
< 1452086991 950724 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: rule 717 should be rewritten for clarity, but I don't think it can be rewritten in such a way to avoid these kinds of problems.
< 1452087053 651513 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I think that rule should say that to revert actions, first you revert the whole game state, then any player who had conceded during the transaction leaves the game, with all its consequences, then you continue the game.
< 1452087403 711628 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have many ideas about how to fix it though, although it is complicated.
< 1452087485 908082 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Jbs1010 5*  10New user account
< 1452087530 139966 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: would the fix have observable rules consequences even when nobody concedes or leaves the game or loses the game even during the actions that are reverted?
< 1452087596 761287 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The steps you mentioned are part of it, although there would also be a lot of things about what can be reversed and how, and that the transactional controller is forced to concede if reversing it is impossible (with the consequences for conceding you mentioned above)
< 1452087654 297615 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Let me to think about it; I am not sure
< 1452088091 74929 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: is there anything that's actually impossible to reverse, even with rules fixes that should be done, eg. on Selvala?
< 1452088121 851106 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And rules fixes on the Chromatic Sphere plus Skirge Familiar situation.
< 1452088134 971894 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I mean in the comprehensive rules, not in tournament rules.
< 1452088155 566378 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The tournament rules have to handle mistakes that can't be reversed, such as accidentally looking at cards that the rules wouldn't allow you to look at.
< 1452088163 567775 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It does handle them.)
< 1452088214 370395 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :My proposed fixes would not alter that rule; Selvala could still be used as is, and Chromatic Sphere plus Skirge Familiar could also still be used as is, although if reversing is necessary then the new rule 717 is taken into effect to determine what happens; this depends on whether or not you looked at those cards, as well as on other things.
< 1452088244 776889 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh wait
< 1452088249 665066 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's the infinite loops thing
< 1452088321 346389 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found earlier than the rule about infinite loops that a player can terminate does have impossible and undefined consequences.
< 1452088338 976180 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that does interact with reverting stuff.
< 1452088347 69973 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shuffling a library is no longer always impossible to reverse, but in some cases it is impossible.
< 1452088445 166156 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Same with drawing a card; if you choose not to look at the drawn card, or if you would have already known what the top card of your library was and all players knew this, then it can safely be reversed, otherwise it isn't. But you are not prohibited from looking at the drawn card (you are not forced to either though).
< 1452088558 57791 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the sense of explaining a rules situation, what's the easiest way to cast any card at instant speed? Teferi and Isochron Scepter work only on particular sets of cards.
< 1452088602 26336 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't mean any card, just any card that can be cast, i.e. a card that's not a land and not of a type that is always in the command zone.
< 1452088617 281726 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I'd like to cast it face up.
< 1452088739 181456 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, as for invented cards, would it make sense to have an instant that simply says "Choose a card from your hand. You may cast that card." ? What would that have to cost?
< 1452088745 745847 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait, it would have to say nonland
< 1452088754 720391 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Choose a nonland card from your hand. You may cast that card."
< 1452089041 822122 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah right, Ice Cauldron lets you cast any nonland card immediately. It's the most flexible solution I think.
< 1452089157 759048 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah no.
< 1452089164 963754 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ice cauldron doesn't let you cast the spell immediately.
< 1452089175 665498 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It only lets you cast from a different zone with normal timing.
< 1452089280 915642 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the heck?
< 1452089420 95058 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there ANY way to cast some enchantment of my choice, say Holy Strength, face up at instant speed, provided I own it? 
< 1452089521 214092 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are you asking me about?
< 1452089533 806558 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: vedalken orrery?
< 1452089546 756733 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1452089611 773735 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh!
< 1452089615 241016 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vedalken Orrery, right
< 1452089618 71830 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always forget about that one
< 1452089674 609911 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Teferi is a much more memorable character, even if I think the Teferi, Mage of Zhalfir card in TSP is a disappointing representation of him.
< 1452089690 583777 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's represented much better on other cards, like Ovinize and Disruptive Student.
< 1452089882 735684 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: efnet/Athildur claims (without rule proof) that if there's a Chromatic Lantern otb and I use two Chromatic Spheres while casting a spell, then after the spell is successfully cast, opponents get to look at both cards.
< 1452089934 154288 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :why?
< 1452089966 367967 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: they also claim that while casting an elephant, it's possible to draw a card with Chromatic Sphere and discard it with Skirge Familiar, and that it *should* presumably still be hidden with no characteristics in the gy during casting the spell, but the comp rules apparently doesn't say that.
< 1452089971 364076 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, what if it was a single ability that said "draw two cards"
< 1452090015 316121 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: 120.2
< 1452090016 142773 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, Lantern of Insight is the card I said, not Chromatic Lantern :-)
< 1452090067 77641 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right, sorry. Not Chromatic Lantern, but either Lantern of Insight or Goblin Spy.
< 1452090086 512611 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Goblin Spy controlled by me.)
< 1452090115 945913 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: why which one?
< 1452090125 563163 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lantern of insight came to mind because it's actually part of a tier 2 modern deck
< 1452090134 597270 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cards that are played in major decks are easier for me to remember, probably for obvious reasons
< 1452090177 572632 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would they be able to see the card
< 1452090181 94190 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh lantern of insight
< 1452090203 269422 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :under normal circumstances, lantern of insight means you see every card your opponents draw
< 1452090206 736261 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :technically what happens is
< 1452090210 109363 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :when you draw the first card
< 1452090210 849883 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the question is, if they draw two at mana ability speed, what happens
< 1452090211 12784 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: sure, there are like six cards that cause you to play with the top of your library revealed, but Lantern of Insight is the best because it doesn't have too many extra rules that complicate the matter, and it's a not too old not too expensive card (5DN uc).
< 1452090218 190300 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it goes to hand face down and the top card is revealed
< 1452090223 409640 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: and the mill is very relevant
< 1452090228 264863 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then the second one goes to hand and the next is revealed
< 1452090235 837446 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: right, that's what I thought would happen
< 1452090240 598642 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :since there's no rule preserving the face-down library card when you draw during casting
< 1452090242 872547 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the card's face down but everyone knows what it actually is
< 1452090248 354674 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1452090260 496755 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the crib rule for chromatic sphere is imperfect, which sucks
< 1452090273 938544 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: but the top card isn't revealed during a transaction (during while a spell or ability is being played) because of 401.6
< 1452090304 516023 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1452090309 279900 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, I never knew about that
< 1452090309 862420 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :still
< 1452090323 738408 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would rule the cards are revealed
< 1452090325 942988 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The cards 401.{5,6} refer to aren't actually face down, are they? They're just hidden and have no characteristics.
< 1452090330 286808 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1452090344 858130 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :those rules are cribs to deal with an utterly dysfunctional card
< 1452090347 477343 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"face down" has a rules meaning.
< 1452090363 434295 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the point is "you don't get hidden information from chromatic sphere during casting/activation"
< 1452090404 428030 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's more than one card. Chromatic Sphere isn't the only one, is it? and Chromatic Sphere isn't such a bad card actually, I like its design, it's just mistamplated, it should cause you to draw the card later as a trigger or something.
< 1452090406 938332 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh
< 1452090407 811949 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://canada.pch.gc.ca/eng/1445028439342
< 1452090413 884062 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: it is the only one
< 1452090416 618227 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chromatic Star is the fix
< 1452090419 686340 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: see Chromatic Star
< 1452090428 10162 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Besides Lich's Mirror and Chromatic Sphere, what cards can cause you to draw a card?
< 1452090429 86093 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is almost exactly Chromatic Sphere but with timing fixes to not be stupid
< 1452090432 400326 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: selvala!
< 1452090434 5227 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, Chromatic Star is a fix.
< 1452090438 162704 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, Selvala.
< 1452090447 348441 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have been mentioning her repeatedly all conversation :-)
< 1452090449 564384 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, Chromatic Star is actually also better
< 1452090452 792299 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right now I will sleep but I will later explain how my replacement for rule 717 will fix all of these things, without affecting what the cards do.
< 1452090470 653569 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you still draw a card if it dies in some other way
< 1452090478 837359 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: it's not possible to lose while casting a spell, though
< 1452090491 924878 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro:  here: I cast an expensive spell, filter a mana with chromatic sphere, the draw gets replaced by forbidden crypt and causes me to lose (empty graveyard), which gets replaced by lich's mirror, then I discard the resulting 7 cards to a skirge familiar that came back from under a banishing light (or that an opponent owns but I control), then I try to pay the remaining mana with an exotic orchard that came back from under a different 
< 1452090493 491483 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :banishing light, but in response the only opponent with color-producing lands concedes and now I'm one mana short
< 1452090505 422540 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: it is, forbidden crypt triggering on chromatic sphere, we worked this out earlier
< 1452090508 9663 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :took a while though
< 1452090513 734710 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, not counting the sphere I mean
< 1452090538 166333 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :because, as discussed, that card is broken
< 1452090545 178489 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :selvala irritates me, I could tell it was a nightmare the instant it was printed
< 1452090548 860574 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also it's pretty recent)
< 1452090569 138115 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, yeah
< 1452090570 979338 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :screw that card
< 1452090574 246898 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, just put a "play this ability only any time you could play an instant" on her, it won't hurt any of its intended uses and makes the corner cases much less cornery
< 1452090584 910359 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :they don't want to actually put that on text though
< 1452090590 121038 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, Odyssey has a cycle of artifacts like Skycloud Egg which also draw a card in a mana ability
< 1452090599 753631 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the self-quote above is a similarly screwy situation that b_jonas and I came up with earlier
< 1452090612 963467 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which AFAICT causes you to have to undo a shuffle of your library, and there's no sequencing/shortcutting tricks to get around it
< 1452090643 719164 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: the modern deck that was based around chromatic sphere/star and mass artifact reanimation was called "eggs"
< 1452090657 447381 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: there totally is. you just delay the physical shuffle for later as a shortcut.
< 1452090658 771882 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :eventually some of its major pieces got banned because the deck was slowing down tournaments
< 1452090672 197611 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: but you have to draw seven cards off lich's mirror then discard them
< 1452090675 777501 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :after the shuffle
< 1452090793 39654 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: there are actually at least two ways to lose without conceding while casting a spell: Chromatic Sphere + Forbidden Crypt, or Skyshroud Forest + Nefarious Lich. 
< 1452090806 452283 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's two cards you should curse. but the lich is probably already quite cursed, being a lich.
< 1452090845 90630 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: is mill delayed until state-based actions? or is that instant too?
< 1452090851 44650 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's delayed but am not sure
< 1452090853 992213 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what mill?
< 1452090862 602763 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: trying to draw from an empty library
< 1452090866 896942 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(colloquially, loss by milling)
< 1452090869 100667 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :losing from drawing? that's delayed to sba too
< 1452090882 615739 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :104.3c
< 1452090896 875636 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about winning from drawing with labotory maniac?
< 1452090898 347129 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and loss from poison counters is delayed too
< 1452090909 359898 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't remember how it's worded (nor how it's spelled, that was my fourth attempt and it still looks wrong)
< 1452090917 858550 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Laboratory Maniac? hmm
< 1452090928 667921 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If you would draw a card while your library has no cards in it, you win the game instead."
< 1452090929 71699 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha, "laboratory", that has rather more letters than I thought
< 1452090931 888698 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wonder I couldn't spell it
< 1452090933 331770 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn
< 1452090933 539528 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so replacement
< 1452090944 412490 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that should be instant then
< 1452090950 603072 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, then three ways
< 1452090989 677723 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Laboratory Maniac might even be one that isn't already cursed by flavor, unlike the crypt and the lich.
< 1452091189 154249 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But it's probably a mad scientist.)
< 1452091340 92969 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :As for rules, can I have non-MTG rules nitpick questions too? 
< 1452091413 323577 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In a C or C++ program, I call raise on a signal that isn't handled or ignored (as if SIG_DFL or as the process starts), isn't blocked, and causes the process to die (with or without coredump) or stop. Is it guaranteed that the function won't return (and the thread continue execution) before the program dies or stops? There might be other signals delivered at the same time, and the program may be multithreaded.
< 1452091430 580431 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/delivered/pending/
< 1452091504 344527 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The OS needn't be Linux.
< 1452091606 502151 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/009695399/functions/raise.html
< 1452091627 976622 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If a signal handler is called, the raise() function shall not return until after the signal handler does."
< 1452091632 798996 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I looked at POSIX, it says that if the signal is _handled_, the handler will be executed before the function returns.
< 1452091640 487417 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But there's no handler installed in this case.
< 1452091726 648346 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see.
< 1452091773 895395 :j-bot!~j-bot@li1285-84.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1452091798 313727 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But there might be some text about signals in general that specify this.
< 1452091805 631188 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :eg. in http://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9699919799/basedefs/signal.h.html
< 1452091819 145151 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or even in the C11 standard or something
< 1452091833 69640 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :For POSIX, you'll be wanting to look through 2.4 Signal Concepts in the General Information section of System Interfaces.
< 1452091842 633467 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I didn't see anything obviously relevant there.
< 1452091843 86994 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(part of the behavior of signals is specified in C, part in POSIX, and part is OS-dependent)
< 1452091887 850052 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: 2.4 where? do you have a link?
< 1452091902 753167 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9699919799/functions/V2_chap02.html#tag_15_04
< 1452091954 955905 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The "System Interfaces" volume is divided to "General Information" and "System Interfaces" sections, the latter of which is the function reference.)
< 1452092061 618890 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's slightly suspicious that the description for raise explicitly mentions only "if a signal handler is called", and not something more generally about the "action", but I haven't seen anything explicit about it yet.
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< 1452092161 796011 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although that part seems to be copied over from the C standard.
< 1452092179 147120 :MDream!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDude
< 1452092223 869216 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: doesn't the C standard also have SIG_DFL and SIGABRT which is fatal normally? even if it doesn't have signals that stop (suspend) the process.
< 1452092267 488464 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has a SIG_DFL, but the default handling seems to be very implementation-defined.
< 1452092323 795902 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yes, but it doesn't _require_ that SIGABRT has a signal handler, so the question still arises what happens if you raise(SIGABRT) and your program doesn't handle it.
< 1452092348 622847 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I don't see any explicit requirement for that to terminate the process.
< 1452092363 543137 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, per C standard, the libc _could_ handle that signal and exit the process in some impl-defined way other than by signals, but it needn't do that.
< 1452092418 993984 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A call to abort() does need to "[return an] implementation-defined form of the status /unsuccessful termination/ [] to the host environment by means of the function call raise(SIGABRT)", though.
< 1452092421 479532 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in any case, http://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9699919799/toc.htm does say that the default action for SIGABRT terminates the process ("with additional actions", that is, a core dump) if you SIG_DFL it
< 1452092449 580378 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, POSIX is more explicit. But it doesn't seem they fully define whether raise may return before that.
< 1452092555 691001 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.228 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 38 * 38
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< 1452092557 499815 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1444
< 1452092580 51543 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was hoping for the default actions to be specified with something like "as if a signal handler that did X was installed", but that doesn't seem to be the case.
< 1452092610 113500 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Because in that case you could have relied on the bit in the description of raise.)
< 1452092643 795399 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :odd
< 1452092695 744011 :bender|!benderpc@2404:e800:e61a:41d:88a5:ad2:6a78:9cd9 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1452092702 722653 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems that the POSIX description of sigsuspend is more explicit: at http://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9699919799/functions/sigsuspend.html it seems to say that it won't return if the signal it lets through terminates the process,
< 1452092950 920470 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want to do complicated things with signals, but I would like to trust raise to not return in those sane circumstances.
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< 1452094208 267826 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In M:tG, what is the cycle of not very rare artifacts in some pre-modern set that produce or color three colors of mana?
< 1452094221 961447 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And have illustrations of some sort of flat disk with some design on them.
< 1452094243 181126 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: three-color artifacts are IIRC borderposts
< 1452094244 343659 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what exact set they are, or what mechanic they do exactly. 
< 1452094257 821761 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait no
< 1452094265 417143 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :those are two-colour
< 1452094268 268986 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the obelisks are in Alara. these are older
< 1452094272 107623 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's got to be either alara block or khans block
< 1452094278 568515 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :eg. Obelisk of Esper
< 1452094279 961904 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, pre-modern
< 1452094298 871434 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a cycle of lands in homelands that produce three colours
< 1452094301 873186 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are almost incomprehensibly bad
< 1452094306 583741 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :definitely not land
< 1452094311 147941 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're artifactgs
< 1452094314 474419 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :non-creature artifacts
< 1452094378 119509 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I might be misremembering something.
< 1452094436 635847 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Rith's Attendant?
< 1452094470 691931 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no, the illustration at least definitely shows some inanimate abstract thingies
< 1452094475 130766 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly disks
< 1452094496 484040 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the illustration is what I remember the most, the mechanics are probably wrong
< 1452094510 471647 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the only pre-modern artifact with {R},{G},{W} in its rules text but not {U} or {B}
< 1452094544 742421 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... maybe they produce only two colors of mana, or don't produce mana, or something
< 1452094548 157838 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll continue searching
< 1452094847 832032 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, I found it! and my description was wrong in multiple places
< 1452094906 443368 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least I might have found it. the Talisman of Progress cycle in Mirrodin. modern, and produces two colors.
< 1452094915 311699 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might be conflating different cards.
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< 1452094949 248879 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :These are definitely disk-shaped artifacts at least.
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< 1452095015 93155 :J_Arcane_!~chatzilla@37-219-28-69.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi NICK :J_Arcane
< 1452095249 589522 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not surprisingly, the Invasion block has lots of different colored mana producers.
< 1452095314 168294 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, there's Multani's Harmony, which is like Paradise Mantle but an aura for {G}
< 1452096048 843327 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-aduwrepkwbjgbsbb QUIT :Excess Flood
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< 1452096744 296608 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Helping someone learn formal languages and automata
< 1452096808 519776 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool
< 1452096901 921832 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to figure out how to explain the pumping lemma for regular languages
< 1452096910 282816 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :ill show you how to explain pumping lemma
< 1452096915 616571 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :just giv eme a sec to draw it
< 1452096953 890160 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've given him some problems to work on converting between regular languages and FSAs
< 1452096971 559051 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you've got some time
< 1452097037 843300 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/sddYwEt.png
< 1452097071 62104 :haavard!freebsd@haavard.me PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I think I solved your first puzzle, but I feel like it's wrong
< 1452097078 167653 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks
< 1452097116 704476 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :try a book?
< 1452097142 110727 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :His exam is in less than two hours
< 1452097147 972292 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch
< 1452097156 995273 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, an online book or something_
< 1452097163 648433 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what good books are there for this
< 1452097164 989752 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, I have a book
< 1452097167 70235 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just it's at home
< 1452097169 72975 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I'm not
< 1452097227 770008 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does he already know that regular languages can be defined with *nondeterministic* finite automata without null moves?
< 1452097237 48111 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as opposed to just deterministic ones?
< 1452097246 473005 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe it's the opposite way?
< 1452097247 997839 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno
< 1452097251 302058 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how this works
< 1452097253 83891 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think so
< 1452097265 850189 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how hard the questions I've given him are
< 1452097300 153697 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :I put too many dots :|
< 1452097313 215026 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it doesn't matter
< 1452097409 437151 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be kind to teach derivatives
< 1452097531 944140 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1452099292 991593 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom
< 1452099294 247843 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`dateu
< 1452099319 164280 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2016-01-06 16:54:58.117220000+00:00
< 1452099323 528935 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :grue/grue is the colour of the trees and the ocean
< 1452099336 560368 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? bleen
< 1452099338 83133 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bleen? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1452099359 727433 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn bleen is the color of the ocean and the trees
< 1452099364 830971 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'bleen': bleen is the color of the ocean and the trees
< 1452099843 262298 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, bleen... vexxar?
< 1452100015 767152 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: this is less useful for trivia, as it is much more widely known.
< 1452100025 367480 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :(referring to the universal number)
< 1452100076 796271 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? grey
< 1452100078 118156 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :grey? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1452100079 637160 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? gray
< 1452100080 694720 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gray? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1452100110 206236 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugh
< 1452100120 778924 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :This syllabus calls what I call "regular languages" "rational"
< 1452100122 354282 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( Grey is a common misspelling of gray. / Gray is a common misspelling of grey. )
< 1452100151 334684 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Put a Taneb invented it in Grey and a Taneb did not invent it in Gray
< 1452100153 294046 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've seen that before (rational languages)
< 1452100184 48504 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I don't know where that terminology comes from
< 1452100233 32765 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. "Taneb disinvented it."
< 1452100260 591702 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? deniability
< 1452100261 717406 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :deniability? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1452100276 680722 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Deniability was not invented by Taneb.
< 1452100280 662393 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'deniability': Deniability was not invented by Taneb.
< 1452100303 231801 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plausible.
< 1452100364 592672 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah
< 1452100375 958556 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know roughly half of the exam this guy is sitting
< 1452100380 258870 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :In 48 minutes
< 1452100412 385467 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh good luck
< 1452100466 823861 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does it mean for a monoid to recognize a language
< 1452100479 73160 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :a monoid huh
< 1452100489 470825 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it acts on a set of states
< 1452100547 833463 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :is "Taneb invented it" now a synonym for "Taneb approves it"?
< 1452100579 494294 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I don't think so
< 1452100599 231383 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: are there any numbers in reverse alphabetical order besides "one"
< 1452100612 750013 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I don't think so but couldn't say for sure
< 1452100727 15045 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is recognized by some finite monoid, meaning it is the preimage of a subset of a finite monoid under a homomorphism from the free monoid on its alphabet[note 7]
< 1452100743 735726 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's equiv to regular language? neat
< 1452100763 981513 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Said friend seems to have disappeared while attempting to refill his water
< 1452100764 179906 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :is anyone a wikipedia editorL
< 1452100764 732964 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1452101094 470183 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't edited WIkipedia in a few years.
< 1452101157 25204 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :feel like making an edit ??
< 1452101317 246502 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-cewwpbzdrfqvzjif QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity
< 1452101490 770883 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila, can you not make the edit
< 1452101519 951517 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont have an account
< 1452101603 572442 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't need an account unless they've really clamped down on anonymous editing in the last few years
< 1452101689 927343 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Tonoco14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46092&oldid=46077 5* 03Keymaker 5* (+4) 10Fixed truth-machine spelling and linked it to its page.
< 1452102661 209283 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: actually there's a new level of protection that's lower than semiprotection that's used on articles that anonymous people keep screwing up
< 1452102670 781584 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's a bit less clamped down than it used to be
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< 1452102688 489087 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it delays showing the edits to other anons until someone with perms manually checks them
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< 1452103018 89774 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, is that what revisionapprove turned into?
< 1452103031 12038 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1452103211 687055 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1452103395 494554 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: can registered users see them?
< 1452103440 974842 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: yes, actually anyone can by clicking a link
< 1452103450 830465 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just it's default to show most recent for registered, and most recent approved for anons
< 1452103467 195394 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
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< 1452109596 256746 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 mentioned tiny leaders being solved earlier, anyone have a source
< 1452109653 172927 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I...
< 1452109662 456086 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just heard someone say "monoids are easy"
< 1452109666 852688 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Outside the context of Haskell
< 1452109732 635012 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're not as easy as you might think.
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< 1452112463 848987 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Fizzie14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46093&oldid=40332 5* 03Fizzie 5* (+0) 10Post-upgrade edit test for 1.26.2.
< 1452112522 368544 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was some transient weirdness about logging in and session storage, but it seems to have maybe cleared up on its own.
< 1452112529 262706 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell ais523 Just as a heads-up, updated esolangs.org to MediaWiki 1.26.2, in case you want to have a look, see if I broke something.
< 1452112529 812725 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1452112532 258756 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan Just as a heads-up, updated esolangs.org to MediaWiki 1.26.2, in case you want to have a look, see if I broke something.
< 1452112532 868176 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1452112611 410277 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to have broken at least the images for the bottom-right corner CC0 and MediaWiki links.
< 1452112964 468513 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :devious
< 1452112986 838281 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They seem to have gone to /w/resources which wasn't part of the nginx configuration.
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< 1452113598 64520 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello people. 
< 1452113961 87826 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1452114275 147463 :mauris_!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1452114428 82575 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :“ This syllabus calls what I call "regular languages" "rational"” -- that terminology actually makes sense, and I can explain why, although it's a bit bad since "rational" is a VERY overused word.
< 1452114503 827547 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would like to know
< 1452114509 653738 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :also b_jonas how about adding to wikipedia?
< 1452114515 743232 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some textbooks introduce regular languages in such a way that they consider the set of languages (over a fixed alphabet) a semiring with unit,  
< 1452114549 92274 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regular_language#Equivalent_formalisms -- they don't mention a language is regular iff it has finitely many derivatives. Someone please add this!
< 1452114572 849154 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :where the addition is the union of two languages, and the multiplication is elementwise concatenation. (The zero is the empty language, the unit is the language containing only the empty string, often notated by epsilon.)
< 1452114593 915642 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg that's beautiful!!
< 1452114594 986300 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is not hard to verify that this satisfies the axioms of semirings. 
< 1452114597 383041 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see what you mean
< 1452114606 869574 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is a use for this description,
< 1452114616 631730 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :would chomsky context free languages be algebraic?
< 1452114672 574644 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :namely it is used to prove in an understandible way the nontrivial theorem that every language defined by a nondetrministic finite automaton (with null states) can also be defined by a regular expression (an expression made of finite sets, monoid operations, and the star closure).
< 1452114732 242693 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You prove this in a constructive (but exponential time) way: from the finite automaton, you write a left regular BNF form, which formally looks like a set of "linear" equations in this monoid,
< 1452114760 550415 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :where there is a variable for each state of the automaton, which has the value of the language accepted if starting from that state,
< 1452114782 264490 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the equations are originally derived from the translation rules and final states.
< 1452114825 717214 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you transform these linear equations in a way somewhat similar to gaussian elimination.
< 1452114875 475246 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Namely, you keep the equations of a form where the left side is always a variable, and the right side is a regular expression with variables in them,
< 1452114917 174283 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then if an equation contains the lhs variable inside the rhs, then you transform this in a certain way which introduces the star closure,
< 1452114940 414300 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if the equation does not contain the lhs variable inside the rhs, then you eliminate that equation and variable by substituting it everywhere else.
< 1452114978 918536 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have heared this description, although not the terminology "rational language", but it makes total sense.
< 1452115016 723822 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, I would not recomment "rational language" as a name, because "rational" is overloaded, and "regular language" or "Chomsky L0 language" are both well known terms that mean this.
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< 1452115078 513328 :kragniz!~kragniz@nyaa.kragniz.eu NICK :{^-^}
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< 1452115183 9758 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although this linear equation formalism isn't really necessary for the proof, it helps understanding. I don't know how well it's known.
< 1452115192 811037 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And in case it's not clear, this is a commutative semiring.)
< 1452115451 86181 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: did you succeed explaining?
< 1452115717 524003 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hlndjstptnhptxeb QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity
< 1452115947 639167 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looked up "sgsdgdfsfsh.org" at a domain registration place (random mashing just to see their prices), and they intelligently suggested I might be interested in "sgsdecigramdfsfsh.com" instead.
< 1452116150 421386 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1452116219 897300 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, are you?
< 1452116234 136843 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not really. I mean, decigrams.
< 1452116237 767733 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, I thought WHOIS privacy protection things were predominantly a standard service, but it seems they quite often now are priced separately instead.
< 1452116362 573460 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1452116460 386022 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, *decigram*? that's not even a real used unit of measurement, is it? that is, the rules that restrict the use of the centi, deci, deka, hecto forbid it, don't they?
< 1452116464 48728 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me look that up
< 1452116481 434423 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know all of those rules by heart.
< 1452116496 824701 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/deka/deca/ in English apparently
< 1452116592 631229 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, where do I find those rules?
< 1452116834 927973 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never seen it used before I think, but I don't know if it's actually forbidden
< 1452116907 675261 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: forbidden by SI, as in, much of the metric units and prefixes were in use somewhat before SI, but SI restricts them a bit more, apart from restricting the use of non-metric units.
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< 1452119407 613842 :onetwothree4life!4b538701@gateway/web/freenode/ip.75.83.135.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Holy crap I am here.
< 1452119416 703608 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi
< 1452119422 696451 :onetwothree4life!4b538701@gateway/web/freenode/ip.75.83.135.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello.
< 1452119424 124453 :onetwothree4life!4b538701@gateway/web/freenode/ip.75.83.135.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :One time I had two dogs that got hit by three cars for life.
< 1452119436 907109 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome onetwothree4life
< 1452119438 912233 :onetwothree4life!4b538701@gateway/web/freenode/ip.75.83.135.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How was your life?
< 1452119450 92326 :onetwothree4life!4b538701@gateway/web/freenode/ip.75.83.135.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thankyou Taneb
< 1452119460 232638 :onetwothree4life!4b538701@gateway/web/freenode/ip.75.83.135.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How was your life?
< 1452119465 42955 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :onetwothree4life: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: . (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.)
< 1452119476 137601 :onetwothree4life!4b538701@gateway/web/freenode/ip.75.83.135.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow.
< 1452119480 671101 :onetwothree4life!4b538701@gateway/web/freenode/ip.75.83.135.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have arrived. 
< 1452119495 855542 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@uptime
< 1452119496 14856 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :uptime: 25m 8s, longest uptime: 1m 10d 23h 44m 29s
< 1452119497 347318 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :pity
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< 1452119508 422031 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: hi. did the cs teaching work?
< 1452119521 116317 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: to some extent
< 1452119540 963113 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone else came along and explained the bits to him that I didn't know
< 1452119549 869125 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the exam is at 9 tomorrow, not 6 tonight
< 1452119627 839093 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see.
< 1452119742 941387 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :onetwothree4life hi
< 1452119944 822208 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, hmm i thought i was going to york in february but turns out it's leeds
< 1452119957 745296 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, it's nearby
< 1452119963 554707 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why are you venturing my way?
< 1452119973 887005 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :underwater hockey tournament
< 1452120036 397845 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahaha!
< 1452120038 385772 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :How long for?
< 1452120140 672979 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that at all like Blitzball?
< 1452120168 532037 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, saturday, probably leaving early sunday afternoon
< 1452120180 772583 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, no b/c giant floating balls of water don't exist irl
< 1452120208 978048 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It could be a non-floating half-sphere, and be half like blitzball.
< 1452120330 170444 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway no, you use a sinking lead puck in a flat pool
< 1452120335 212921 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, flat in theory
< 1452120344 533416 :mauris_!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1452120345 571559 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :in practice it's like playing football on a hill
< 1452120383 267727 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you completely submerged, or only just partially? 
< 1452120396 670892 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :you play with a snorkel, so both
< 1452120413 899501 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Final Fantasy wikia's blitzball page linked me to Underwater Rugby.
< 1452120427 624169 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :we play that when we're sick of underwater hockey
< 1452120552 977805 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: what's the context? are you a spectator, a player, or a referee/umpire?
< 1452120564 304162 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or perhaps a coach.
< 1452120575 59217 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :a player
< 1452120597 435842 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not a real sport so we don't have proper referees, just pedantic players with a special hat
< 1452120602 470443 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is on which continent? I know there's at least one underwater hockey club in Hungary, but it's not a very popular sport.
< 1452120615 812108 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can't really see what's going on because of all the water so there are no spectators
< 1452120623 612802 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas, the UK
< 1452120633 482331 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's also apparently very big in new zealand
< 1452120641 219335 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :by "not a real sport", do you mean you play casually, not in a very competitive way, just like how many people play casual football without professional referees?
< 1452120652 5597 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than playing in tournaments that is.
< 1452120655 927416 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could quite easily come and watch if such a thing were possible
< 1452120719 795307 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"you can't really see what's going on because of all the water so there are no spectators" -- probably. but some people watch surprisingly weird sports that I would think aren't worth to watch, especially if they are friends or family with players.
< 1452120748 93098 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yeah, you do get friends and family along
< 1452120755 610717 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :though normally they get roped into being refs too
< 1452120772 422355 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's only natural that some parents are interested since adolescent children play the sport too
< 1452120886 654344 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :haavard: Are you on? Then you can reply to me about the puzzles?
< 1452121016 689220 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1452121045 601370 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas, ill have you know that were respectable adults thank you very much
< 1452121071 191983 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why have the skins other than Vector been deleted from esolang wiki?
< 1452121091 138145 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: ok
< 1452121110 446449 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, b/c the other ones look like shit?
< 1452121110 779722 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: but even if you're respectable adults, some of you might have sons practicing underwater hockey
< 1452121131 747245 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas, here now that's a very pessimistic view of our teen pregnancy rates
< 1452121134 202956 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: by the way, where does your nick come from? is there a public reason?
< 1452121147 898773 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought it was funny when i was ~12 i think
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< 1452121407 627108 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? Phantom_Hoover
< 1452121417 266018 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom Michael Hoover is a true Scotsman, hatheist, and completely out of the loop.
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< 1452121499 910398 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one day, I'll have a child. I hope he can swim better than me.
< 1452121583 12549 :puck1pedia!~puck@irc.puckipedia.com NICK :puckipedia
< 1452121599 853212 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I see
< 1452121626 754789 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell zzo38 It was a semi-unintentional side effect of updating to a new MediaWiki version -- it doesn't enable all installed skins by default (like the old version did), and I only just quick-fixed it by re-enabling the standard one. I will look into enabling the others -- I was wondering whether some of our users were actually using them.
< 1452121626 952183 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1452121765 355313 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the main reason why underwater hockey isn't very popular here as a casual sport is that it needs a suitable swimming pool and there's few of those.
< 1452121773 68156 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it would be expensive.
< 1452121803 382340 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :More so than water polo, which is popular, but might have more choice in swimming pools.
< 1452121849 529117 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obviously the other part why it's not popular is that it's not suitable as a spectator sport and so few people know about it.
< 1452121891 889845 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not that expensive, at least in the club i play at
< 1452121902 322739 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :general sports membership + £6
< 1452121923 647276 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems that the user_properties table has 2 instances of 'cologneblue', 4 instances of 'modern', 4 instances of 'monobook', 1 instance of 'simple' and 11 instances of 'standard'. Only CologneBlue, Modern, MonoBook and Vector seem to be part of the installation now.
< 1452121935 525690 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it's mostly obscure because it was invented by a diving club in the 50s and has spread from there
< 1452121954 678704 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, what does "general sports membership" mean, GBP 6 per what (month person, week person, occasion person), and traveling to the swimming pool is part of the cost.
< 1452121971 668310 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1452121978 480545 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :£6 buys you club membership for a year, you can play with only that
< 1452122014 750570 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages-
< 1452122014 909813 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie said 2h 38m 2s ago: Just as a heads-up, updated esolangs.org to MediaWiki 1.26.2, in case you want to have a look, see if I broke something.
< 1452122025 91282 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :general sports membership means buying access to the university's sports clubs, which is an extortionate £90 or so but is also necessary to do the mainstream sports
< 1452122072 309042 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even water polo isn't cheap, since it needs reserving some lanes in a swimming pool of length at least 25 m, and there aren't many such swimming pools available, since it's actually very expensive to maintain one.
< 1452122119 642251 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I see. Is there an additional requirement of some relation with the university to that? And what else does that membership buy you? And is it GBP 90 per person year?
< 1452122166 448262 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(quickly checking, 1 GBP = 430 HUF approx currently)
< 1452122223 286787 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's £96/year basically but if you want to do water polo or football or any other sport that £90 is already necessary
< 1452122230 790444 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell zzo38 I have re-enabled the three other ones that were still bundled as part of the 1.26 installation (Cologne Blue, Modern, MonoBook). I believe the other two skins that people had historically used (standard, simple) had already been removed in 1.22, the previous version.
< 1452122230 948959 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1452122238 115022 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :for local clubs it's genrally £4 a night
< 1452122255 234659 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would result in 8 GBP per month person in average, which seems cheap for a swimming pool access if you go regularly throughout the whole year.
< 1452122295 337923 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I pay more than that for swimming, and most of that cost is actually for the swimming pool access.
< 1452122349 408700 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are the requirements for the swimming pool for underwater hockey? Can you practice in a pool with a slanted floor? Floor slanted in half of the pool? Size and depth limits?
< 1452122369 87310 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :For regular casual practice that is, not for a match.
< 1452122489 177017 :p34k!~p34k@nat-wh-wz4-12.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de QUIT :
< 1452122592 858487 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: the Recent Changes preferences changed a bit, and when i fixed that the Save button strangely took me from https to http, telling me i had to log in (i was already logged in on https).
< 1452122599 486432 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas, yeah, you just work around slopes in the pool
< 1452122647 602120 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: do you need an entire swimming pool, or are two or three lanes in a sloped pool enough?
< 1452122648 478827 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I had some logged-in/not-logged-in weirdness initially too. Don't think I remembered to check whether that was due to http/https differences.
< 1452122665 547153 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :somehow jumping back and forth in history then got me logged in on http too
< 1452122676 742405 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :without afair giving the password.
< 1452122686 533241 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm wondering if it's something to do with the memcache stuff.
< 1452122696 271578 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas, depends, lanes are normally too narrow though
< 1452122729 998364 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can play widthways quite easily though
< 1452122740 642297 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. We've got wgServer set to "http://esolangs.org" -- I think that should be just "//esolangs.org", really.
< 1452122742 864873 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i fact since i became admin i've been making a point of _not_ being logged in on just http, so i don't really want this...
< 1452122748 894573 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least as far as I can tell from https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgServer
< 1452122769 494705 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, but it's hard to reserve part of a public swimming pool widthwise, whereas it's easy to reserve two or three lanes. Water polo practices are often done in lanes here.
< 1452122782 809832 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially so in big swimming pools.
< 1452122826 17745 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I tried setting it to the protocol-agnostic thing. Hopefully that should mean links should stay in the scheme you were on.
< 1452122876 808797 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also set $wgCanonicalServer to https:// -- the documentation says it'll use that for links in things like emails.)
< 1452122979 746161 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that'll have a side effect of switching to https:// links in the on-channel edit notifications.
< 1452123113 768786 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :good, as i've been editing that manually
< 1452123135 649364 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh.
< 1452123155 583835 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No wonder this felt familiar: I had in fact done exactly the same change before.
< 1452123168 14475 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Except with $wgCanonicalServer set to http:// instead.)
< 1452123189 524055 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Turns out I fixed it on the server, but not in the canonical copy of the configuration where I take it from when updating.
< 1452123201 736489 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1452123297 289290 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also seem to have managed to rollback the captcha questions (from the single 0x29A to the old, larger set) due to the same sort of thing.
< 1452123316 822572 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wonder if I should redo that change as well, it must've been changed for a reason.
< 1452123368 994178 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: also most links did seem to already stay in the same scheme, it was just the Save button that behaved weirdly.
< 1452123450 516281 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas, the clubs i've been at have just booked the entire pool very late in the evenin
< 1452123451 553746 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :*g
< 1452123488 456910 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: afair we changed the captcha to just one because it was easier to change when the spambots managed to get one, and seemed just as effective...
< 1452123509 918047 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I restored it back to the 0x29A it most recently had been.
< 1452123531 296583 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: yes, that works for smaller or worse pools
< 1452123538 775458 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did see a spammer recently.  haven't checked the actual abuse log.
< 1452123541 940369 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yes; most in-page links probably would have worked if they are just normal relative ones, I assume it just needs a fully qualified URL for some more special things.
< 1452123551 427061 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: what size of pools? 20, 30, 33, 50 meter?
< 1452123555 127978 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :um,
< 1452123560 720227 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :20, 25, 30, 33, 50 meters
< 1452123571 451052 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(25 meter is actually the most common length)
< 1452123586 630003 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :varies but the local club in coventry has a 50m pool
< 1452123594 301316 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice
< 1452123613 374232 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indoor or outdoor? Can you even do underwater hockey in an outdoor pool?
< 1452123619 451025 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's split into 2 though, so ~25m would be a typical length
< 1452123635 92858 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does underwater hockey need good lighting (lamps) for the pool?
< 1452123636 147992 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't look like any spambots triggered the filters recently.
< 1452123656 87448 :spiette!~spiette@206.167.243.2 QUIT :Quit: :qa!
< 1452123657 546150 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the bottom's flat and you can see then outdoors would be fine, i'm sure
< 1452123667 12447 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are not many outdoor pools in the uk though
< 1452123693 56295 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the last three users to get hits were regulars
< 1452123715 534780 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: right, warm water in pools is somewhat of a special advantage here
< 1452123744 885455 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, there are lots of natural warm water springs, and as a result, many swimming pools have warm water, whereas I hear this isn't true in most other locations
< 1452124032 687752 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that recent spammer would not have been got by any filter, anyway, it was a single edit that looked plausible except that the link domain was _slightly_ fishy so i visited it.
< 1452124062 437231 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=CAT&diff=prev&oldid=46055
< 1452124099 608438 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I understand that in a lot of other countries, many children swim in warm neoprene suits, whereas that's rare here.
< 1452124130 65606 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah you'd generally wear a wetsuit to swim outdoors here
< 1452124138 846867 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :for diving most people wear drysuits
< 1452124166 766754 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: TOROIDAL CHICKEN
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< 1452125149 796968 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1452125152 107467 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OOh
< 1452125162 153859 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think anyone's made an OO logic language before
< 1452125383 490016 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you mean by OO?
< 1452125423 133504 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the logic part is usually immutable, isn't it
< 1452125461 95026 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm some say Erlang is an OO language in the original sense
< 1452125488 894890 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's an original sense?
< 1452125497 539365 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alan Kay's sense, iirc
< 1452126672 15272 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell izabera  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Befana  YOU PEOPLE DON'T HAVE THIS?!? <-- NOPE HTH
< 1452126672 212265 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1452126873 426950 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: We don't have it here in america
< 1452126885 878361 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wouldn't expect you to
< 1452126886 977708 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact, I don't think we even celebrate Epiphany in the US
< 1452126900 43550 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Of course not xD.
< 1452126908 294088 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not in norway either
< 1452126931 880633 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: well, unless maybe you were of italian descent
< 1452126941 300493 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: True
< 1452126982 314800 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Where can I find info on OO in the Alan Kay sense?
< 1452126985 967980 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to learn about it :)
< 1452127007 905693 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think epiphany is celebrated, although it's traditionally the last day of christmas in parts of norway (some include one more week)
< 1452127010 325086 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless it's the typical description of OO, but modern languages /don't/ OO properly
< 1452127041 300228 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, they don't implement what Wikipedia talks about
< 1452127105 464941 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: well "Actually I made up the term "object-oriented", and I can tell you I did not have C++ in mind."
< 1452127124 447776 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although he probably had something smalltalkish
< 1452127134 401759 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Ah.
< 1452127140 67452 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you the one who hates OO?
< 1452127151 889222 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone on this channel does, one of the o's
< 1452127174 869914 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(People whose names start with "o" are nearly indistinguishable in my memory)
< 1452127227 418747 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hate?  not really.  i'm almost haskell-monoglottish these days, though.  when i even program.
< 1452127242 89244 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. It must be \oren\ then.
< 1452127251 439131 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\ perhaps.  he's rather opinionated on some things.
< 1452127275 276317 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes, I think it was.
< 1452127604 693580 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1452127802 625775 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1452127966 324801 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, istr back when i was a kid january 6 was about the time we removed the christmas decorations.
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< 1452128174 250692 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-02-1242510803.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like most OO, but only because of the syntax being needlessly complicated 
< 1452128220 574315 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-02-1242510803.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the actual concepts of ADT's and polymorphism, etc are mostly fine
< 1452128233 262726 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :ADT's and polymorphism isn't OO
< 1452128243 785610 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-02-1242510803.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure it is
< 1452128251 645379 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats functional programming
< 1452128255 438394 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :OO is about message passing and/or classes and instances
< 1452128272 679787 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-02-1242510803.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :classes  and instances = ADT's?
< 1452128307 439748 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-02-1242510803.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i mean an ADT is like an interface, and then an implemention is a class
< 1452128359 787864 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats a completely different thing that i ever thought of
< 1452128473 466265 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-02-1242510803.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway basically a lot of the useful parts of OO are functional programming with a stupid syntax
< 1452129007 634304 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ADT has two different meanings hth
< 1452129048 10375 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :dependent on whether A is Abstract or Algebraic
< 1452129064 875933 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :in an OO context you would say encapsulation 
< 1452129230 115539 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: OO need not be classy
< 1452130610 738179 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: What if it's just Average?
< 1452131122 619779 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
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< 1452132628 940802 :andrew!~andrew@61.141.94.171 JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1452134383 777777 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 38 * 38
< 1452134385 312895 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1444
< 1452134411 450668 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait that's correct
< 1452134417 522485 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 38^2
< 1452134419 29112 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1444
< 1452134449 796623 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :amazitng that it has all the 4s
< 1452134479 652370 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :38^4
< 1452134485 478208 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 38^4
< 1452134487 401076 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2085136
< 1452134495 747304 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :disappointing, that
< 1452134518 272531 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :does lambdabot support nested powers or whatever they're called?
< 1452134522 62195 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 2^^2
< 1452134523 917477 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 4.0
< 1452134528 592131 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1452134543 551073 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (^^)
< 1452134544 963527 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Fractional a, Integral b) => a -> b -> a
< 1452134564 492268 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (^)
< 1452134565 702928 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Integral b, Num a) => a -> b -> a
< 1452134568 515962 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (**)
< 1452134569 936461 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Floating a => a -> a -> a
< 1452134584 56336 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> foldr1 (^) [2,2]
< 1452134585 657835 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 4
< 1452134599 250710 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> foldr1 (^) $ replicate 3 2
< 1452134600 908502 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 16
< 1452134608 965740 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :tghere doesn't seem to be any other numbers 
< 1452134616 71121 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, now write it pointfree
< 1452134659 84060 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (((foldr1 (^).).replicate) 3 2
< 1452134660 352456 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : :1:31:
< 1452134660 511119 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :     parse error (possibly incorrect indentation or mismatched brackets)
< 1452134662 494464 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops
< 1452134669 391680 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ((foldr1 (^).).replicate) 3 2
< 1452134671 972559 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 16
< 1452134873 730323 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Cardinal14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46094&oldid=45357 5* 03Albedo 5* (+310) 10/* External resources */ external source added
< 1452135120 594523 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? gray
< 1452135140 299078 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gray? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1452135145 953557 :singingboyo!~brandonso@d50-98-172-252.bchsia.telus.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1452135165 18871 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Gray is e common misspalling of grey.
< 1452135169 786790 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'gray': Gray is e common misspalling of grey.
< 1452135246 385778 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :just chennaling en eltarnetiva univarsa hara
< 1452135300 458971 :singingboyo!~brandonso@d50-98-172-252.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well those were an odd couple of messages to join to
< 1452135314 342106 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? gray
< 1452135316 800249 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gray is e common misspalling of grey.
< 1452135340 814927 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :singingboyo: okey
< 1452135400 114643 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i was inspired by some logreading
< 1452135453 752637 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :earjen: good work fixing thet dafinition
< 1452135465 146872 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :*oarjen
< 1452135475 186085 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :thenks
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< 1452143850 84521 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am confused by the first dot
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< 1452156155 367950 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What happens if you reverse the order of returns?
< 1452156443 569183 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also... where would return values go...
< 1452156479 156069 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codepad.org/EZD8StCf
< 1452156493 431116 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically ret would pop elements from the call stack in reverse order
< 1452157387 250529 :haavard!freebsd@haavard.me PRIVMSG #esoteric :What would happen is your brain would start hurting
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< 1452158633 969683 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also if any new languages come out that have nullable types as the default I will only look at them and go "whyyyy :("
< 1452158690 946904 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah
< 1452158752 283065 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because they should be non-nullable
< 1452158785 550517 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have a problem with nullable types as defaults in C++, but that's because the nullable types are the _pointers_ (pointers to objects, to void to functions, to member objects, to member functions), which are supposed to be low level types,
< 1452158801 743404 :jaboja!~jaboja@esf125.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
< 1452158808 650033 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can build high-level types that aren't nullable, and the standard library generally has such types.
< 1452158844 803070 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The thing is that most methods for example in Java will assume that references are valid (non-null)
< 1452158864 690761 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :luckily if they are null it will raise a NullPointer-Exception
< 1452158871 898629 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which you can catch somewhere
< 1452158879 487801 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the other hand, there's some reasons why certain types have to be nullable in C++ even if they're semantically non-nullable, and this is because it's easier to handle types that can be moved, and even easier if they can be default-constructed, which often requires nullability.
< 1452158898 980237 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is why eg. unique_ptr is nullable and should be.
< 1452158901 684578 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but usually you catch those only in outter-outter-outter function because you never expect a NullPointer-Exception to be thrown
< 1452158938 299815 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And by can be moved, I mean that they can have noexpect move constructed technically.)
< 1452158952 918244 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: sorry, I don't do java.
< 1452158957 650432 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so ideally you'd have to annotate references that they may be null
< 1452158974 671206 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :such as String (never null), String? (maybe null)
< 1452159005 203970 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and passing a T? to a T would be deemed illegale without having it checked first
< 1452159050 308174 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now for a language that's almost fully dynamically allocated, like java or haskell or ruby or python, the objections I mentioned don't stand, although there are some other reasons why you want nullable by default types in some of those languages.
< 1452159068 754390 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what reasons?
< 1452159119 957023 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are cases where you'd want null (such as for example in certain data structures) but those would be T? then
< 1452159122 909574 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what @Nullable is for in Java.
< 1452159145 88945 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example map.get would be T? because it returns null if the element does not exist
< 1452159156 134393 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not an uncommon convention to say that all non-annotated references are always non-null, and require @Nullable otherwise.
< 1452159180 382825 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a bit more verbose than the C# ?, but still.
< 1452159252 551645 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a convention, yes.
< 1452159263 628924 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's not reflected within the language itself
< 1452159271 503857 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, there are also good tools that make it an error to pass @Nullable Foo to a function taking a Foo.
< 1452159274 848091 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the language's convention is, that they are all nullable
< 1452159283 22262 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course you need an annotations for all libraries you use, including the standard one, which can be a pain.
< 1452159310 316534 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's why it's so important to design a language nicely from the start
< 1452159326 941522 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you fix things later you'll have trouble that you have lots and lots of old code around
< 1452159333 85692 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that don't follow new "things"
< 1452159380 309373 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then you need external tools that check annotations/javadoc in the hope that all code you use use them properly too
< 1452159416 290386 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess findbugs might have some @Nullable heuristics
< 1452159453 753071 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does, and the Checker Framework is popular too.
< 1452159459 165596 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: In haskell, as far as I know, almost nothing is implicitly nullable.
< 1452159540 478412 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell is quite nice :)
< 1452159555 545671 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: in ruby and python, the problem is that, unlike in smalltalk, classes don't have their set of instance variables fixed statically in advanced, but each instance can add instance variables dynamically. due to this, you can't require that all instances variables of an object of a user-defined class are initialized when the obj is constructed,
< 1452159555 895097 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :except for things like fromJust
< 1452159560 940892 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and non-total list functions
< 1452159601 305693 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I admit it's very much less clean than it would be if it were part of the core language, but it's still quite possible to have strict nullness checks in Java.
< 1452159615 886987 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there have to exist non-existant instance variables, and either those are just implicitly read as a null value, which means the instance variable is of a nullable type, or cause an error when read, which sort of means the class is of a nullable type.
< 1452159618 661011 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Yes, this wouldn't work in dynamic languages
< 1452159625 50652 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd need static type checking
< 1452159649 539367 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the whole point is to avoid run-time nullpointer errors 
< 1452159690 654190 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's because i've worked with librarys with poor exception handling
< 1452159724 972984 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that throw nullpointer exceptions for all kinds of errors
< 1452159747 758543 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: I see. 
< 1452159754 519889 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which are annoying to debug because then I need to go through the source code of that library
< 1452159767 574630 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and trace where those values come from to see why something is null
< 1452159790 379892 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But is this a problem with the java language, or just some badly written libraries?
< 1452159808 165786 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can't do proper error reporting in your application because you can't really tell much if it the library just reports nullpointer exception
< 1452159839 822998 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why you display "An error happened" to the user-gui :)
< 1452159845 879151 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of a meaningful message
< 1452159865 427238 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh? In my experience, you generally display a 200-line stack trace instead.
< 1452159867 102454 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: It's 90% badly written library
< 1452159880 974084 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :By the way, SQL also has types that are nullable by default, but can be declared as non-nullable, and I don't know the reason for that.
< 1452159899 136814 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, maybe you print the 200-line stack trace in the console and display "an error happened" in the GUI.
< 1452159929 912203 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Well you obviously log the stack trace but you won't be displaying the stack trace to an end-user
< 1452159938 489445 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In SQL, is it a good practice to declare most table columns as NON NULL explicitly if they shall not contain nulls?
< 1452159947 971376 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've seen quite a lot of stack traces as an end user of Java programs.
< 1452159982 355460 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I've been doing that, but I don't know if it's standard practice or not.
< 1452159988 295592 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :some display the stacktrace to the user
< 1452160002 472336 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in my case it wouldn't tell the user what he did wrong.
< 1452160030 193164 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes it's a stack trace after Proguarding, which is extra helpful.
< 1452160037 503477 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I'm not asking if it's standard practice or not. I'm asking if it's good practice or not. There's lots of bad SQL out there so the two needn't be the same.
< 1452160048 679911 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only thing I can do is to check for the exact location of the null-pointer exception within the library 
< 1452160051 683588 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then do
< 1452160081 110411 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if(lineNo == 12) { /* this is wrong */ } else if (lineNo == 99) { /* that other thing is wrong */ } ...
< 1452160097 15580 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds very maintainable.
< 1452160101 40208 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm not going to do that because we have no more funding :D
< 1452160125 30228 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: The library has internal state
< 1452160139 784070 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lots
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< 1452160253 344513 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is also a problem if you restart tomcat
< 1452160254 826622 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because...
< 1452160272 664508 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though the library saves certain things to files
< 1452160281 230964 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't properly reload all of them
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< 1452160564 217939 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastebin.com/T3uZLCtm <- that's the storage 
< 1452160617 546796 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's the "database" of the library to be precis
< 1452160621 586399 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :O(n) lookup
< 1452160641 411108 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and deletion is done by creating a tempfile, copying every entry in the file to it, skipping the one to delet, delete the file, rename the tempfile
< 1452160670 298694 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, that code is property of IBM :D
< 1452160713 591431 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I meant copy from tempfile back to original file
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< 1452160728 8545 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In ascii text, if I want to give a list of timestamps, each timestamp in an RFC 3339 / ISO 8601 format, then can I separate the timestamps with commas? Or are commas commonly used for something else in the context of ISO 8601 style timestamps?
< 1452160754 854225 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: comma may optionally replace period.
< 1452160786 622848 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1452160792 811191 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, that could be a problem
< 1452160830 645432 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(although I personally dislike commas used as a decimal point OR thousands separator)
< 1452160840 164249 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might need to find a different separator then
< 1452160858 55628 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :property, but not written I assume.
< 1452160883 777602 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's an open source privacy/crypto engine/library 
< 1452160910 855783 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_8601#Times says commas are used as a decimal point in such timestamps
< 1452160976 246351 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :>> Represent it as "14:30,5", "1430,5", "14:30.5", or "1430.5". <<
< 1452160991 26581 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :parsing date times must be tedious
< 1452160993 554315 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so many formats
< 1452160994 101048 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-28-69.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds
< 1452161000 783439 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and formats allow multiple variations?
< 1452161010 920629 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, I didn't know ISO 8601 was that flexible.
< 1452161023 977995 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Commas in numbers are a stupid historical practice from back when people frequently used a period as either a thousands group separator or a multiplication sign, and should be gone.
< 1452161036 815597 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :We've got commas in numbers back in Finland.
< 1452161050 903901 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the period as the thousands separator.
< 1452161065 803861 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :We use ' for that
< 1452161071 444446 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1'000,95
< 1452161083 364088 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I hate that we use commas for that
< 1452161088 229309 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you know that in RFC 3339 +0000 and -0000 has different meanings?
< 1452161092 444155 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :People should use symbols for thousands separators other than commas or periods, such as a thin space, underscore, apostrophe, double colon, space; and even if you insist on using the dot for a multiplication sign, you should use an upper dot rather than a comma for decimal separator.
< 1452161119 452675 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: non-breaking space (or non-breaking thin space) FTW
< 1452161119 611240 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: is that "duration"?
< 1452161127 823453 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: no, the time zone
< 1452161131 530849 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1452161136 666923 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1452161137 309984 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry
< 1452161141 182469 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was RFC 2822
< 1452161164 410703 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yes, _traditionally_ Hungary has commas only for decimal points, just like how _traditionally_ it uses roman numerals to denote months, and multiple crazy formats to denote timestamps made of hours and minutes.
< 1452161164 654246 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, only +0000 refers to UTC; -0000 signals the lack of timezone information (????)
< 1452161172 800075 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Unknown local offset convention
< 1452161173 742872 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"
< 1452161179 188542 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd attend that convention.
< 1452161181 938816 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But these are traditions that many people don't follow anymore, and I wish even fewer people would follow.
< 1452161239 158754 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :One big problem with the decimal point is that it's specified as the comma in lots of software, including most Hungarian locales, and those are generally VERY hard to change, eg. they require recompiling libc or worse. 
< 1452161241 782755 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, I misspoke: we use space for the separator.
< 1452161245 743423 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, in theory.
< 1452161254 655691 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think people actually use it that much, but that's the standard.
< 1452161258 105557 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cc #include  \n int main(void) { setlocale(LC_ALL, "fi_FI"); printf("%'.2f", 1234.56); }
< 1452161259 508112 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1234,56
< 1452161265 765698 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's even worse is that scanf looks at the locale
< 1452161303 994928 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, those Hungarian locales suck in other ways, eg. the one in Gnu libc has a blatant error in it where the month abbreviation for September is wrong, and message translations to Hungarian suck in lots of software.
< 1452161324 535311 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my brother used a chemical software that parsed some data format with scanf
< 1452161341 452551 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but since he had a de_ locale set, the software couldn't parse it
< 1452161367 475168 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: wtf
< 1452161376 670657 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds strange
< 1452161413 990989 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cc #include  \n int main(void) { setlocale(LC_ALL, "fi_FI"); printf("%'.2f", 12340000.56); }
< 1452161415 657407 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :12340000,56
< 1452161429 453769 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cc #include  \n int main(void) { setlocale(LC_ALL, "de_DE"); printf("%'.2f", 12340000.56); }
< 1452161431 104713 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :12.340.000,56
< 1452161441 253686 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cc #include  \n int main(void) { setlocale(LC_ALL, "de_CH"); printf("%'.2f", 12340000.56); }
< 1452161441 699450 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember seeing "Jan 1" formatted by some program that attempted localization as "1. Januaryta" -- en:January is fi:tammikuu, and for the date the month needs to be in the partitive case, so "tammikuuta", and apparently the program somehow managed to add the Finnish suffix to the English month name.
< 1452161442 916602 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :12'340'000.56
< 1452161460 412957 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :locales are fun .
< 1452161525 506779 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cc #include  \n int main(void) { setlocale(LC_ALL, "de_AU"); printf("%'.2f", 12340000.56); }
< 1452161527 809859 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :12340000.56
< 1452161532 741313 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1452161535 799263 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it de_AU?
< 1452161552 198082 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or AT
< 1452161553 508262 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably AT
< 1452161561 334485 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cc #include  \n int main(void) { setlocale(LC_ALL, "de_AT"); printf("%'.2f", 12340000.56); }
< 1452161562 915368 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :12340000,56
< 1452161597 4004 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you've got periods for de_DE, 's for de_CH and no separator at all for de_AT? Good.
< 1452161598 366814 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so germany has dots and comma, switzerland has apostrophes and dot and austria has nothing and comma
< 1452161612 986874 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I didn't notice one of them had period for the decimals too.
< 1452161619 613253 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very nice.
< 1452161646 23047 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cc #include  \n int main(void) { setlocale(LC_ALL, "it_IT"); printf("%'.2f", 12340000.56); }
< 1452161648 181752 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :12340000,56
< 1452161656 827167 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cc #include  \n int main(void) { setlocale(LC_ALL, "it_CH"); printf("%'.2f", 12340000.56); }
< 1452161658 897648 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :12'340'000.56
< 1452161666 174572 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yes, that kind of mixed language thing happens when a program has messages for a certain language but uses system locale for other languages. The most common such symptom ime is message boxes with an English message and Hungarian labels on the yes/no/cancel buttons.
< 1452161705 863071 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cc #include  \n int main(void) { setlocale(LC_ALL, "fr_FR"); printf("%'.2f", 12340000.56); }
< 1452161707 800718 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :12 340 000,56
< 1452161715 590159 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1452161723 28127 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the frenchs are more loke the fins
< 1452161729 987832 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have seen dates in a language mixed with text in a different language, but not a case where the program tried to attach an affix to it.
< 1452161760 335705 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cc #include  \n int main(void) { setlocale(LC_ALL, "jp_JP"); printf("%'.2f", 12340000.56); }
< 1452161762 223255 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :12340000.56
< 1452161769 423527 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1452161771 70886 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn
< 1452161775 720064 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no kanjis?
< 1452161801 965566 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: not from a plain printf. 
< 1452161808 451346 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that would be a bad idea anyway)
< 1452161830 839274 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1452161833 746395 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's ja_JP anyway?
< 1452161847 340457 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cc #include  \n int main(void) { setlocale(LC_ALL, "ja_JP.UTF-8"); printf("%'.2f", 12340000.56); }
< 1452161849 328783 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :12,340,000.56
< 1452161909 858555 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why
< 1452161914 170801 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could use JIS
< 1452161919 660087 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` LANG=ja_JP locale
< 1452161920 749704 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory \ locale: Cannot set LC_MESSAGES to default locale: No such file or directory \ locale: Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or directory \ LANG=ja_JP \ LANGUAGE= \ LC_CTYPE="ja_JP" \ LC_NUMERIC="ja_JP" \ LC_TIME="ja_JP" \ LC_COLLATE="ja_JP" \ LC_MONETARY="ja_JP" 
< 1452161929 952595 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` locale -a | grep ^ja
< 1452161932 464003 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ja_JP.eucjp \ ja_JP.utf8
< 1452161950 319272 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cc #include  \n int main(void) { setlocale(LC_ALL, "sv_SE"); printf("%'.2f | ", 12340000.56); setlocale(LC_ALL, "sv_FI"); printf("%'.2f", 12340000.56); }
< 1452161952 300795 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :12 340 000,56 | 12340000,56
< 1452161958 475217 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least there's no difference there.
< 1452162004 232208 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` locale -a | grep FI
< 1452162004 811644 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: try a norvegian locale, maybe it writes zeros with more or fewer diagonal slashes
< 1452162005 510158 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fi_FI \ fi_FI.utf8 \ fi_FI@euro \ sv_FI \ sv_FI.utf8 \ sv_FI@euro
< 1452162027 703259 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that "with euro sign"?
< 1452162030 469835 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1452162090 195412 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they might well be identical now.
< 1452162092 308913 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` locale -a | grep ^ch
< 1452162093 593608 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1452162096 63337 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They probably were different at some point.
< 1452162099 312142 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` locale -a | grep CH
< 1452162100 676194 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :de_CH \ de_CH.utf8 \ fr_CH \ fr_CH.utf8 \ it_CH \ it_CH.utf8
< 1452162108 459480 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, hmm.
< 1452162130 111874 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no ch_CH
< 1452162132 112648 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sucks :(
< 1452162154 42595 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` locale -a | wc -l
< 1452162155 283840 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :442
< 1452162158 739791 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's probably no standard for selecting dialects
< 1452162226 760181 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :üch geits abr no güät.
< 1452162244 389763 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :sv_SE and sv_FI have different currency rules, but I wonder if there are any programs anywhere with different messages for them.
< 1452162259 522024 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does C even have currency stuff?
< 1452162303 950825 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, in struct lconv.
< 1452162334 252269 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not in the libc though
< 1452162337 63335 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is.
< 1452162341 464981 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is?
< 1452162347 812745 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is. C11 7.11p2.
< 1452162361 505931 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. C11
< 1452162368 671690 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it in C99?
< 1452162380 678244 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :C99 7.11p2 as well.
< 1452162428 512902 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never used that
< 1452162438 314303 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a printf char for currencies?
< 1452162450 269491 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cc #include  \n int main(void) { setlocale(LC_ALL, "sv_SE"); struct lconv *se = localeconv(); printf("%s ", se->currency_symbol); setlocale(LC_ALL, "sv_FI"); struct lconv *fi = localeconv(); printf("%s", fi->currency_symbol); }
< 1452162451 889483 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kr EUR
< 1452162464 943571 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh the ' does that
< 1452162481 793558 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cc #include  \n int main(void) { setlocale(LC_ALL, "de_CH"); printf("%.2f", 12340000.56); }
< 1452162483 551237 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :12340000.56
< 1452162491 858392 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cc #include  \n int main(void) { setlocale(LC_ALL, "de_CH"); printf("%'.2f", 12340000.56); }
< 1452162493 436835 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :12'340'000.56
< 1452162504 203288 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I deduced that ' meant "use delimiters for thousands"
< 1452162522 608036 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The ' *isn't* part of the standard, of course.
< 1452162584 218376 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see.
< 1452162603 623142 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And ' is "use grouping if locale needs it".
< 1452162628 580476 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think there's a printf thing for money, which is allowed to use different characters for grouping and decimals.
< 1452162658 53153 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cc #include  \n int main(void) { setlocale(LC_ALL, "de_CH"); printf("%'I.2f", 12340000.56); }
< 1452162659 723376 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :12'340'000.56
< 1452162665 402800 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cc #include  \n int main(void) { setlocale(LC_ALL, "ja_JP"); printf("%'I.2f", 12340000.56); }
< 1452162667 911742 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :12340000.56
< 1452162680 848950 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cc #include  \n int main(void) { setlocale(LC_ALL, "fa_IR"); printf("%'I.2f", 12340000.56); }
< 1452162682 868591 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​۱۲٬۳۴۰٬۰۰۰٫۵۶
< 1452162685 784509 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fancy.
< 1452162711 809116 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cc #include  \n int main(void) { setlocale(LC_ALL, "ja_JP.utf8"); printf("%'I.2f", 12340000.56); }
< 1452162713 643004 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :12,340,000.56
< 1452162722 216839 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :``locale -a | grep ja | grep utf
< 1452162723 151945 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: `locale: not found
< 1452162726 408420 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: if you want such fancy formatting, use libicu rather than just the small support in libc and locales
< 1452162730 277843 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` locale -a | grep ja | grep utf
< 1452162731 640806 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ja_JP.utf8
< 1452162745 116883 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :still no kanji though
< 1452162751 749608 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: ^
< 1452162760 753428 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also
< 1452162767 996076 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should print vertically
< 1452162774 917094 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course
< 1452162783 246221 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a vertical terminal would look weird though
< 1452162823 918765 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although that should really be a terminal issu
< 1452162825 818992 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*issue
< 1452162828 801042 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a printf issue
< 1452162887 809199 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :incidentally, in Japanese text with digits written as kanji digits (not a read out number with words like "ten" and "hundred" in it) printed vertically, can you write a decimal point or a negative sign or other numeric punctuations, and if so, how?
< 1452162926 639293 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also bear in mind they count in 10'000
< 1452162947 816060 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1452162948 860300 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1452162949 536045 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sry
< 1452162951 694434 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :misread :D
< 1452163042 401294 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even know if they write digits with kanjis
< 1452163133 219089 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: they do, mostly in vertical writing, because roman digits don't work in vertical writing
< 1452163190 734400 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: you can see it in street signs advertising prices in Japan, eg 600 yen is written as a kanji 6 followed by two of the circular punctuation followed by the kanji for yen.
< 1452163205 294637 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they write 10000$ as 一〇〇〇〇$?
< 1452163218 450815 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh ok
< 1452163218 667986 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't know that.
< 1452163221 790765 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: in vertical writing, yes, although I don't know how they write dollar
< 1452163238 479409 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: in horizontal, generally they just use roman numerals
< 1452163241 386982 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :um
< 1452163249 543911 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/roman/hindu-arabic/
< 1452163261 966197 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :halfwidth ascii numerals that is
< 1452163265 270203 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not fullwidth
< 1452163399 63023 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be funny if they indeed used roman numerals
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< 1452163605 95541 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does one pronounce roman numerals?
< 1452163618 518260 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :We just learned to read IV as 4
< 1452163625 343398 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not how do spell roman numerals
< 1452163725 885805 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. I hate roman numerals, and belive they should not be used for anything, 
< 1452163757 112328 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is 2003 spelled as M M three, or M M I I I or M M unus unus unus or M M tres?
< 1452163787 335934 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish people would stop using them, which has already partly happened since month numbers are almost never written in a roman numeral these days, and clock faces have roman numerals less often, but people still almost always use roman numerals to identify the districts in Budapest.
< 1452163814 503260 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :chapters are often numbered with roman numerals
< 1452163883 11567 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Admittedly, there _is_ a good reason why districts of Budapest are written in a roman numeral: if you write them with digits in a street address, they are ambiguous with street names that start with a number.
< 1452163954 366734 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ideally the name of the street should contain enough information to navigate to it without a map
< 1452163981 442095 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but people back in the days when streets were named fucked that up
< 1452164012 525795 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: we're very far from that. we have lots of sets of streets in Budapest with identical names, which are distinguished by the district number, or very rarely not even by the district number.
< 1452164013 511960 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although some countries have systems where streets are named
< 1452164020 464776 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but blocks and houses
< 1452164032 616797 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*are not not named
< 1452164057 113621 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The one I hate the most is "Csömöri út", of which there are two big parallel ones very close to each other.
< 1452164093 206344 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although today with google maps and smartphones this isn't much of an issue
< 1452164094 981561 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are also lots of pairs of prominent streets with not identical but very similar names.
< 1452164130 553964 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if I think back to the older days it might have made sense to name streets in a way that people with rough knowledge of the city they live in can navigate to it
< 1452164138 23893 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: it totally is. there's no easy way to search for a street name together with district number in google maps, unless you already know the postal code
< 1452164151 54681 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so ambiguous street names pose a problem in google maps.
< 1452164167 866474 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well, street names aren't unique among cities
< 1452164178 599435 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that's probably just a bug they should fix)
< 1452164184 447055 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they should at least be unique within a city :D
< 1452164219 360863 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: oh, among towns they're definitely not unique. most small villages, including ones with only one or few streets, have either a Kossuth utca or Kossuth Lajos utca or a Fő utca
< 1452164271 294716 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't quite expect them to be unique within a city because of the history of Budapest where it used to be multiple towns unified at different times, 
< 1452164295 532441 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that doesn't explain all the duplications: many dupe street names are new or are close and were in the same town originally.
< 1452164307 529568 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well then rename streets :D
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< 1452166672 390246 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar CYUL
< 1452166672 622850 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYUL 071100Z 31006KT 15SM FEW030 M06/M12 A3031 RMK SC2 SLP267
< 1452166681 731145 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shovelable weather.
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< 1452167884 787341 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: We've had lots of street renamings for political reasons, and unlike in the 1980s, lately the government has been an asshole about them, renaming the wrong streets to wrong names in wrong ways.
< 1452167906 819065 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think we've everd had streets renamed to disambiguate streets that had already had a name.
< 1452168003 56880 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In particular, when they renamed streets in the 1980s and 1990s, they had left the signs of the old street name up next to the new one for a few years. Now they don't.
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< 1452170315 227795 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Information theory exam is this evening :(
< 1452170504 802066 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: huh? wasn't it a formal languages exam?
< 1452170519 366734 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: that was someone else's that I was helping him revise for
< 1452170529 166194 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a lot of exams this week
< 1452170544 742334 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok.
< 1452170725 497722 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I probably ought to learn information theory
< 1452170754 60682 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah, why bother.
< 1452170964 75973 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :a couple of hours before the exam is a good time to remind yourself of those two or three facts that you keep forgetting :P
< 1452170992 7255 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a bad time to figure out what the fuck the course was about
< 1452171054 162499 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Information is measured in bits.
< 1452171119 746924 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: the lecturer had a strong accent which I had difficulty understanding, but provided quite detailed notes online, so I decided to stop going to the lectures and do it in my own time
< 1452171132 670792 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately, only three quarters of my actions happened
< 1452171138 959069 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I learnt about half the course in my own time)
< 1452171147 479325 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :We had entropy, some coding theory and LFSR?
< 1452171159 646313 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeh, LFSR.
< 1452171179 140490 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Coding theory is I think next term
< 1452171204 191100 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not much, just enough to know that there are block codes
< 1452171239 145769 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure we had conv... thingies
< 1452171245 790678 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :convolution codes?
< 1452171258 67274 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :convolutional codes
< 1452171466 777772 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, you could also move towards data compression (Huffman codes, to begin with)
< 1452171473 383684 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1452171475 614 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we had that too
< 1452171492 313558 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the time I came up with this stupid idea of compressing data by encoding the next occurences of things
< 1452171525 530189 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well.. not stupid just not as efficient for larger files than what's already being used.
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< 1452171607 758365 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, for strings or single letters? if the latter it sounds like a move to front transformation...
< 1452171618 416863 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :single letters
< 1452171626 807661 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not exactly the same, but similar in spirit)
< 1452171669 130958 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the rough idea is
< 1452171678 718964 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
< 1452171716 706486 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codepad.org/7YhvTZxq
< 1452171720 361513 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^- like that
< 1452171747 450066 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you remove already encoded letters from the buffer
< 1452171749 960693 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the connection is that with a MTF transform, a letter gets encoded by the number of distinct letters seen since the previous occurrence of that letter)
< 1452171791 186706 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which has the effect that letters that were originally too far apart to be encoded as next occurence (if you use n bits you have 2^n lookahead) will come close to each other
< 1452171913 602617 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(http://codepad.org/i2Z71xxh is the decompression)
< 1452171981 482762 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you use two bits for number of occurences and three bits for position
< 1452171995 252497 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"1. Estimate the information contents of the lecture (in bits)."
< 1452172023 926566 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you can encode at best 3 occurences of the same letter within 27 letters
< 1452172035 779193 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because once you have found a next occurence you start counting from zero again
< 1452172076 851656 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus if you encounter a letter s, you can encode three more occurences of the same letter within a range of 27 letters each needing only three instead of 8 bits
< 1452172106 100175 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. with (2,3) "This is a short sentence" can be compressed by 29 bits
< 1452172118 875608 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 192 / 29.0
< 1452172120 484443 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 6.620689655172414
< 1452172131 875520 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 29.0 / 192
< 1452172133 700740 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0.15104166666666666
< 1452172138 156042 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's about 15% 
< 1452172186 651303 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (2+8+3*3)/(4*8)
< 1452172188 321236 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0.59375
< 1452172243 572809 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :40.625% is max for (2,3)
< 1452172268 635385 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at best you can get 87.5%
< 1452172276 844431 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which wasn't good to me
< 1452172298 438419 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you get RLE as a corner case
< 1452172318 621033 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(n,0)
< 1452172324 483929 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I enhanced the compression by adding prefixes that allow to encode more occurences
< 1452172338 36280 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or prefixes that say "next token has (4,8) instead of (2,3)"
< 1452172342 140525 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :stuff like that
< 1452172387 341116 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I managed to compress larger files only by about 50%
< 1452172404 305841 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :where gzip usually at leasts manages 70%
< 1452172436 780579 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was fun to play around in the boring lectures, but I haven't found any practical usages :D
< 1452172458 697194 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :still, not bad
< 1452172471 959563 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It beats RLE.
< 1452172477 725846 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :simple RLE at least
< 1452172478 960987 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because
< 1452172482 980915 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with rle stuff like
< 1452172492 53015 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ABCAABBCAAABCCBABCAB compresses poorly :)
< 1452172500 397508 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with my idea this compresses fairly well
< 1452172543 622950 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because once you encoded the A's for example
< 1452172551 221354 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you end up with BCBBCBCCBBCB
< 1452172561 779130 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then encode the Bs and you're only left with CCCCC
< 1452172573 873268 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :The reason for bringing up RLE was that it can beat the 1/8 limit (in very special cases, obviously.)
< 1452172638 845364 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Special cases, hmm... PCX was a quite successful image format.
< 1452172641 564434 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1452172642 397530 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but
< 1452172653 653744 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you use 8 bits for number of occurences, and 1 bit for position
< 1452172656 197119 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you have uhm
< 1452172680 643461 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (8+8+255*1)/(256*8)
< 1452172682 696758 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0.13232421875
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< 1452172732 373904 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1 - 0.875
< 1452172733 848442 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0.125
< 1452172734 736742 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :"next occurrence of things" reminds me of perfect caching
< 1452172777 286652 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah, you can't beat the 1/8 limit
< 1452172802 558274 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/8 limit?
< 1452172806 872585 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (8+8+255*0)/(256*8) -- this would be RLE, getting *very* lucky (runs of length 256)
< 1452172809 288836 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 7.8125e-3
< 1452172832 445966 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and (8,1) would only be reasonably if you have sequences like ABABABABABABABABABABAAABABABABABABABABABAABABABABABABABABABABAAABABABABABABAAAAAABBBBBABABABABAB
< 1452172855 670953 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i.e. worst case for RLE)
< 1452172880 750622 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :worst case for RLE is where my idea would perform pretty much best case :D
< 1452172904 479116 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :except that a smart RLE would switch to encode (AA,AB,BA,BB) in this case
< 1452172924 70760 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is something you could do with my method as well
< 1452172932 198840 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I've never looked more into that
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< 1452172945 103355 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could encode combinations of letters as well, instead of just single letters
< 1452172946 945184 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and LZ variants would just see a repetition of AB anyway...
< 1452172952 268755 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where does the 1/8 figure come from?
< 1452172968 304326 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically you'd look how many times c[0] occurs, and how many times c[0],c[1] occurs
< 1452172971 904690 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: from having at least 1 bit per offset
< 1452172982 182671 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if c[0]c[1] occurs more often then you switch to encode multiple letters
< 1452173000 192593 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that would make compression pretty slow I think
< 1452173029 955569 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if you have say 256 repetitions of a string s, you'd get something like  s(repeat 1)(repeat 2)(repeat 4)...  no?
< 1452173038 239453 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: mroman's (n,m) uses m/8 bytes per byte in the best case as n gets large.
< 1452173042 518080 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah
< 1452173060 714653 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You need at least one bit for every occurence
< 1452173065 971432 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay
< 1452173513 673047 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can compress the Orly.jpg by about 15%
< 1452173611 434050 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 39 / 47
< 1452173613 204367 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0.8297872340425532
< 1452173622 272918 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1 - (39 / 47)
< 1452173623 864775 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0.17021276595744683
< 1452173691 32370 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 39576 * 8
< 1452173692 528157 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 316608
< 1452173765 419927 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well in this case my optimized approach is slighty better than gzip 
< 1452173808 885970 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(better than gzip -9 )
< 1452173875 618719 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me check lena.png
< 1452173947 605165 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :15.8% compression with my algo
< 1452173953 100128 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no compression at all with gzip o_O
< 1452173982 666134 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-rw-r--r-- 1 mroman mroman 35222 Jan  7 14:46 lena.gz
< 1452173983 563184 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-rw-r--r-- 1 mroman mroman 35185 Jan  7 14:44 lena.png
< 1452173987 611587 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1452174085 702813 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codepad.org/NmUc324s
< 1452174106 918780 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It can beat gzip if you use variable length encodings for occurences/positions
< 1452174196 423308 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's weird
< 1452174276 146886 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's gotta be a bug
< 1452174336 755011 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1452174586 781064 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, bug.
< 1452174598 667054 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never unbugged the optimized version as it seems.
< 1452174962 846224 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I reversed a compression format some time ago with opcodes for things like "copy x bytes verbatim" or "copy x bytes from history at offset -d", but also interestingly a "copy x bytes verbatim interspersed with null bytes"
< 1452174972 167126 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :First time I see that
< 1452175062 531618 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh cute
< 1452175106 193584 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ascii to utf-16...
< 1452175166 340545 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(windows executables are full of utf-16 strings)
< 1452175274 762189 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999594.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric : `cc #include  \n int main(void) { setlocale(LC_ALL, "sv_SE"); printf("%'.2f | ", 12340000.56); setlocale(LC_ALL, "sv_FI");
< 1452175277 688397 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999594.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :                printf("%'.2f", 12340000.56); }
< 1452175299 969739 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999594.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric : `cc #include  \n int main(void) { setlocale(LC_ALL, "sv_SE"); printf("%'.2f | ", 12340000.56); setlocale(LC_ALL, "sv_FI");  printf("%'.2f", 12340000.56); }
< 1452175353 79411 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999594.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :RRRGH
< 1452175366 378429 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cc #include  \n int main(void) { setlocale(LC_ALL, "sv_SE"); printf("%'.2f | ", 12340000.56); setlocale(LC_ALL, "sv_FI");  printf("%'.2f", 12340000.56); }
< 1452175388 634115 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :12 340 000,56 | 12340000,56
< 1452175445 859295 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: yeah, or just compressing sequences of low 16-/32-bit ints
< 1452175459 531784 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999594.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, so why does sweden have spaces, while finnish swedish has no-break spaces?
< 1452175466 532041 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good question
< 1452175484 456393 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :They should probably be non-breaking in both cases
< 1452175495 876073 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :breaking a numeral to multiple lines is just weird
< 1452175516 603596 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@193.86.27.79 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1452175930 736761 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1452176356 561992 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-28-69.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1452176615 239030 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999594.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric : `cc #include  \n int main(void) { setlocale(LC_ALL, "hi_IN"); printf("%'.2f | ", 12340000.56); setlocale(LC_ALL, "ar_JO");  printf("%'.2f", 12340000.56); }
< 1452176629 496888 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999594.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cc #include  \n int main(void) { setlocale(LC_ALL, "hi_IN"); printf("%'.2f | ", 12340000.56); setlocale(LC_ALL, "ar_JO");  printf("%'.2f", 12340000.56); }
< 1452176639 595870 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :12,340,000.56 | 12,340,000.56
< 1452176665 944807 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999594.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :awww, no fancy arabic or devanagari numbers?
< 1452176673 556715 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ar_JO?
< 1452176682 855170 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999594.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :arabic, jordan
< 1452176694 946551 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1452176723 14782 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999594.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder what differs between different arabic countries?
< 1452176744 178978 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999594.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cc #include  \n int main(void) { setlocale(LC_ALL, "ar_SA"); printf("%'.2f | ", 12340000.56); setlocale(LC_ALL, "ar_EG");  printf("%'.2f", 12340000.56); }
< 1452176750 865655 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :12340000.56 | 12,340,000.56
< 1452176779 578350 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999594.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh. saudis don't use thousands commas
< 1452176793 928500 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :12 340 000.56  is my preferred style I think...
< 1452176831 319534 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :or I guess I'd use less than a full space to group thousands
< 1452176834 73368 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999594.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cc #include  \n int main(void) { setlocale(LC_ALL, "th_TH"); printf("%'.2f | ", 12340000.56); setlocale(LC_ALL, "ar_AE");  printf("%'.2f", 12340000.56); }
< 1452176835 600022 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :12,340,000.56 | 12,340,000.56
< 1452176873 966038 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999594.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :i bet algeria and lebanon use . for , and , for .
< 1452176887 939711 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: you need the I flag for that
< 1452176909 391732 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cc #include  \n int main(void) { setlocale(LC_ALL, "th_TH"); printf("%'I.2f | ", 12340000.56); setlocale(LC_ALL, "ar_AE");  printf("%'I.2f", 12340000.56); }
< 1452176910 996244 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :12,340,000.56 | 12,340,000.56
< 1452176916 661686 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999594.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cc #include  \n int main(void) { setlocale(LC_ALL, "DZ"); printf("%'.2f | ", 12340000.56); setlocale(LC_ALL, "ar_LB");  printf("%'.2f", 12340000.56); }
< 1452176918 67516 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :12340000.56 | 12,340,000.56
< 1452176955 741352 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999594.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cc #include  \n int main(void) { setlocale(LC_ALL, "ar_DZ"); printf("%'I.2f | ", 12340000.56); setlocale(LC_ALL, "ar_LB");  printf("%'I.2f", 12340000.56); }
< 1452176957 242584 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :12,340,000.56 | 12,340,000.56
< 1452176990 99585 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999594.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh? really. apparently france didn't rub off on them too badly
< 1452176996 352374 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cc #include  \n int main(void) { setlocale(LC_ALL, "th_TH"); printf("%'I.2f | ", 12340000.56); setlocale(LC_ALL, "fa_IR");  printf("%'I.2f", 12340000.56); }
< 1452176998 4158 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :12,340,000.56 | ۱۲٬۳۴۰٬۰۰۰٫۵۶
< 1452177004 987603 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fancy
< 1452177005 499933 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: right, not only do they break hard eggs on the wrong end, they also write numbers wrong
< 1452177007 366918 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999594.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :NICE
< 1452177023 514717 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but fa_IR is the only locale I've found so far where I does something.
< 1452177034 533692 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh? what the heck does the flag I mean in there?
< 1452177040 859599 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: are you little endian or big endian?
< 1452177056 615093 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is I locale-dependent format or something?
< 1452177067 641069 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: little-endian. definitely. 
< 1452177070 336311 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999594.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cc #include  \n int main(void) { setlocale(LC_ALL, "th_TH"); printf("%'I.2f | ", 12340000.56); setlocale(LC_ALL, "hi_IN");  printf("%'I.2f", 12340000.56); }
< 1452177070 531162 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :big-endian sucks. 
< 1452177071 39215 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait 'I
< 1452177072 597918 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :12,340,000.56 | १२,३४०,०००.५६
< 1452177092 707726 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: also, from which end do you peel a banana?
< 1452177097 782954 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999594.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hindi with I gives you fancy devanagari numbers
< 1452177103 239031 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I'm talking about eggs, of course.
< 1452177163 650340 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999594.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :what;s the coide for Urdu?
< 1452177165 826543 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I don't have a definite opinion about banana opening. 
< 1452177189 853256 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: see also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toilet_paper_orientation
< 1452177252 624536 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999594.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cc #include  \n int main(void) { setlocale(LC_ALL, "ur_PK");  printf("%'I.2f", 12340000.56); }
< 1452177254 309468 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :12,340,000.56
< 1452177264 934804 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it seems to be poorly documented
< 1452177270 275562 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't find it anywhere on gnu.org
< 1452177285 487577 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.gnu.org/software/libc/manual/html_node/Integer-Conversions.html#Integer-Conversions
< 1452177285 782827 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1452177290 656421 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I expected it to be mentioned here somewhore
< 1452177295 386798 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or under floating points
< 1452177296 609047 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's not
< 1452177300 201983 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523
< 1452177307 238661 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999594.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always open a banana from the non-stem end
< 1452177315 334768 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999594.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :then put it into a blander
< 1452177323 804615 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999594.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/lan/len
< 1452177363 988752 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999594.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :toilet paper shouldn't even come in a cylinder
< 1452177376 80822 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric : REF (flag_i18n), /* for 'I' */\
< 1452177377 886630 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999594.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should be in fanfold
< 1452177380 754002 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's there in the glibc
< 1452177413 825668 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :_i18n_number_rewrite
< 1452177417 465802 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which invokes this
< 1452177458 800470 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric
< 1452177464 732877 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I like that the article ends with a reference to Knuth.
< 1452177519 226786 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :outdigit = _NL_CURRENT (LC_CTYPE, _NL_CTYPE_OUTDIGIT0_MB + n);
< 1452178021 352840 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :__mempcpy (__mempcpy (__mempcpy (newp, file->filename, filenamelen),
< 1452178026 955433 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that looks complicated af
< 1452178034 926540 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Toilet paper orientation is often mentioned as a hurdle for married couples."  hmm
< 1452178058 139773 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hah.
< 1452178158 206573 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, are we talking about the best Wikipedia article?
< 1452178667 999191 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1452178701 507394 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sees a process called "aptd" running during an update
< 1452178705 877094 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :apt has a daemon now?
< 1452178732 934749 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently so, its job seems to be permissions checks on package operations
< 1452178765 644073 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"aptd  allows  to  perform  package management tasks, e.g. installing or removing software, using a D-Bus interface." ... sounds useless
< 1452178806 5390 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :d-bus does have valid uses, but I'm not sure that's one of them
< 1452178856 142241 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :to me it only serves to make software less predictable (read: "smarter")
< 1452178966 415465 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, something like unity relies on d-bus to get information about the running programs
< 1452179336 912444 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :OOP spelled backwards is POO
< 1452179343 514486 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :
< 1452179370 264968 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ow
< 1452181914 749048 :mauris_!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1452181989 419649 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: wait, I found something strange. 
< 1452181996 200322 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: M:tG card Charmed Pendant. 
< 1452182032 671143 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :from Odyssey, has a mana ability that reveals hidden info in itself, same as Selvala
< 1452182075 756574 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
< 1452182082 269665 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: also Deranged Assistant from Innistrad but at least that one adds a known amount of mana
< 1452182154 433748 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Millikin, from Odyssey too. Why are there so many of these?
< 1452182406 706201 :mauris__!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1452182423 655832 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, although this doesn't cause rules problems, Wheel of Sun and Moon can also be used (not only Lich's Mirror) to put cards into a library at mana ability speed.
< 1452182504 349410 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-nrktrscvovrxqjsy QUIT :Excess Flood
< 1452182561 742883 :mauris_!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
< 1452182565 959040 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
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< 1452182734 733883 :augur_!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1452187224 323213 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think DBus for desktop notifications makes some amount of sense.
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< 1452187384 573752 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think our workstations at the university used aptd to allow us to install what we needed without having to allow overall system-administration access, or general "sudo apt-get" privileges.
< 1452187404 648178 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, I noticed they had recently changed apt-get to drop privileges when it shows the changelog.
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< 1452187437 142077 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :This wasn't the case while I was at the university; you could "sudo apt-get changelog foo" and then just "!sh" out from the less it spawned.
< 1452187460 305575 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(In a previous installation, where they were trying to use a sudoers file that allowed apt-get to do the same sort of limited software-installation privileges.)
< 1452187494 508289 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION didn't know that less had !sh
< 1452187505 376812 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :or !
< 1452187540 129026 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently plain '!' is already a shell, but anyway, that.
< 1452187547 663721 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've only used the '!foo' form.
< 1452187567 386981 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what the aptd stuff does if you tell it to install a package over DBus, and it has to ask you a question.
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< 1452188727 507483 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I'm here, sorry, and saw what you said
< 1452188730 450679 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just didn't have a reply
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< 1452190661 520923 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a way to copy a file descriptor?
< 1452190666 501113 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :not like dup()
< 1452190873 837455 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want to learn this stuff but i don't even know where to start
< 1452191009 852493 :Deewiant!~deewiant@de1.ut.deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.mikescher.com/blog/1/Project_Euler_with_Befunge
< 1452192324 98402 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: If not like dup, then like what? 
< 1452192355 717461 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :like if i read from fd1 i don't want the position to change in fd2
< 1452192440 724001 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then, no, that's not possible in general. (What if it's a socket or a pipe?)
< 1452192466 223049 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i know that
< 1452192502 1771 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it's a file, you can open the same file again. Very non-portably, /proc/$pid/fd/$N could help you find it if you don't remember what it was.
< 1452192543 43602 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i open it again, with the same flags, and then seek to the current offset
< 1452192544 672020 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :gotcha
< 1452192573 982528 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was just hoping it'd be possible to copy the internal file descriptor structure
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< 1452194403 877710 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-79.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never seen an imperative language with Prolog-like rules instead of functions
< 1452194636 798742 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you just doing X + prolog until you find an interesting one?
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< 1452197944 730056 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-79.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there any fixities beyond Prefix, Postfix, Infix, Circumfix, Postcircumfix, Precircumfix, and Incircumfix
< 1452197944 947670 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-79.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
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< 1452197986 432421 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope not, that's starting to sound dirty already.
< 1452198015 686723 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't even know what the last ones are
< 1452198073 560187 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: postcircumfix is a[b] or a.(b), that sort of thing
< 1452198084 826384 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :precircumfix is presumably the mirror image of that
< 1452198090 206178 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and incircumfix is something that hppavilion[1] made p
< 1452198091 856497 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*made up
< 1452198114 221560 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-79.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I didn't make it up
< 1452198120 290628 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-79.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :x?y:z is incircumfix
< 1452198131 947323 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-79.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And so is x[y]z, which is one notation for the Hyperoperations
< 1452198133 902617 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: then what's x?y(z)  ?
< 1452198171 728432 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-79.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: That is actually x OR y(z), where y(z) is function application, which may or may not be an operation
< 1452198191 142323 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-79.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :? being random selection in this case, though it could certainly mean something else
< 1452198201 468921 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: no, I mean what's its fixity
< 1452198209 928972 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-79.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: It's not a single operator
< 1452198222 783211 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: suppose it is a single operator
< 1452198228 931892 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :say it's some esolang's notation for x?y:z
< 1452198241 995027 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-79.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Otherfix
< 1452198256 787609 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :bugfix
< 1452198257 111084 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-79.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD
< 1452198267 462993 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-79.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :infix->circumfix?
< 1452198317 278477 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-79.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose Appfix
< 1452198338 385623 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-79.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not for x?y(z), but as a fixity
< 1452198406 845527 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is starting to look like c code written by a drunk monkey
< 1452199178 607993 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I think that's probabl x?(y(z)) where x? is a function name
< 1452199189 617632 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: in ruby, function names can end in ? or ! or =
< 1452199203 289870 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the syntax has some crazy irregular rules for everything
< 1452199261 521764 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least, that's what it looks like to me
< 1452199277 218687 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or else it could be x ? (y(z)) where ? is an infix operator
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< 1452199818 196706 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Duplifix.
< 1452199847 443537 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's one of the "positional categories of affixes" table entries in Wikipedia. It's not talking about operators, mind you.
< 1452199866 946969 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prefix, suffix/postfix, suffixoid/semi-suffix, infix, circumfix, interfix, duplifix, transfix, simulfix, suprafix, disfix.
< 1452199976 210529 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` words 20 | sed -re 's/( |$)/fix\1/g'
< 1452199978 904210 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :parumfix rftfix villfix olenicfix guibilifix ordamanirvifix cbadornerefix obernofix volutfix aucerdenkofix magnafix tinfix broadfix bergafix caseymafix exterfix samunufix runcifix fidtfix tralefix
< 1452200007 818827 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just as believable.
< 1452200018 372179 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially exterfix.
< 1452200486 787794 :mauris_!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :broadfix could definitely be a thing
< 1452201031 613923 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Willfix and wontfix.
< 1452202057 764854 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-79.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just realized
< 1452202076 427857 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-79.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :One could treat (x) as a circumfix operator that returns its argument
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< 1452204087 869659 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I implemented parentheses as a circumfix identity operator in a toy language I created once
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< 1452204136 627727 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could see that approach being useful in things like Agda with mixfix operators/functions too
< 1452204511 853877 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-79.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose one could also treat , as an operator, as in [x, y, z]
< 1452204525 787079 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-79.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :A minimum-precedence operator that builds arrays
< 1452204547 659158 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-79.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And [] takes such an array and turns it into a list
< 1452204805 732426 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1452204999 827340 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh.
< 1452205002 125795 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe
< 1452205030 74678 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Python , is an operator, but [a,b,c] is separate from that
< 1452205396 821737 :mauris_!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty sure , isn't an operator?
< 1452205439 589290 :mauris_!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :like  3,2  is an exprlist, not an expr  https://docs.python.org/2/reference/grammar.html
< 1452205451 241282 :mauris_!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can't overload it they way you have __add__, __mul__...
< 1452205460 904410 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :print('.'),
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< 1452205801 478132 :Mongoose!~Mongoose@unaffiliated/mongoose PART #esoteric :"Au Revoir"
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< 1452206139 248582 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm
< 1452206175 107896 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it was a tuple-forming operator (but not overloadable), guess that's not how it works
< 1452206669 278197 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :C has a proper operator called ',', but most commas in C source probably aren't instances of it, because there are also commas in argument, initializer and declarator lists (among others), which are more common.
< 1452206919 289185 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Forth has a , word that's (presumably) chosen because it makes lists like  123 , 456 , 789 ,  look somewhat natural.
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< 1452207155 83601 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh right, I think Qt overload the comma operator in C++ for its list type to append elements to a list, too
< 1452207163 956888 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is pretty horrible, but still
< 1452207211 931557 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :An overloaded comma operator no longer has the sequence point properties of the real comma.
< 1452207235 245017 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-79.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The language I'm currently working on is called Irgex :)
< 1452207247 979725 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't it get some of those properties through argument evaluation when each comma operator is a function call?
< 1452207251 705630 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-79.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's basically Regex generalized to the level of TCness, or at least that's the pan
< 1452207340 262283 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: I guess, but the evaluation order isn't specified.
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< 1452208976 588703 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never remember what the comma operator in C does.
< 1452209002 215957 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar ENVA
< 1452209002 715024 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :ENVA 072250Z 11009KT CAVOK M15/M20 Q1007 RMK WIND 670FT 10010KT
< 1452209005 922240 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :if (something) expr1 , expr2;          ==       if (something) { expr1; expr2; }
< 1452209010 348713 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The left operand is evaluated as a void expression; there is a sequence point between its evaluation and that of the right operand. Then the right operand is evaluated; the result has its type and value."
< 1452209037 861119 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the airport is a bit colder than here
< 1452209059 155491 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar EFHK
< 1452209059 578009 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :EFHK 072320Z VRB01KT CAVOK M28/M30 Q1015 NOSIG
< 1452209064 65713 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's getting ridiculous.
< 1452209079 447020 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar EGLL
< 1452209079 922012 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :EGLL 072320Z AUTO 21007KT 9999 NCD 03/00 Q1000 NOSIG
< 1452209085 281240 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar ENRO
< 1452209085 710360 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :ENRO 072250Z AUTO VRB02KT 9999NDV OVC008/// M22/M24 Q1001
< 1452209099 205576 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn helsinki beats røros
< 1452209120 68857 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(røros is the default "cold as ..." place in norway.)
< 1452209133 510556 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's colder in Helsinki than it is in some parts of Lapland at the moment.
< 1452209152 981363 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar ENSB
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< 1452209159 158187 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :EFRO 072320Z AUTO 32007KT 9999 FEW019 BKN080 BKN100 M26/M28 Q1006
< 1452209162 225354 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :svalbard is warmer :P
< 1452209171 511352 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :rovaniemi?
< 1452209174 378046 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1452209214 543048 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar NZSP
< 1452209215 127515 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :NZSP 072250Z 13005KT 9999 SCT030 M29/ A2851 RMK CLN AIR 13004KT ALL WNDS GRID SDG/HDG
< 1452209219 93922 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not really a "cold as ..." place, but it's the standard "the northernmost place that has lots of people in it" place, I'd say.
< 1452209230 442415 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1452209291 938028 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
< 1452209320 148789 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the south pole seems to have no dew point
< 1452209327 622207 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :balmy summer temps
< 1452209340 100575 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They broke the all-time electricity use record in Finland today.
< 1452209449 285836 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And also measured -41.1 degrees in Muonio.
< 1452209475 396789 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if there are any airports nearby, and many places have already started getting warmer, I think -- the whole country's supposed to, in the next days.
< 1452209522 945529 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar EFET
< 1452209523 383721 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :EFET 072320Z AUTO 00000KT 2200 -SN OVC027 ///// Q////
< 1452209539 477739 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, there's apparently no temperature at all in Enontekiö.
< 1452209570 422943 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there any air pressure?
< 1452209585 676939 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe they have a vacuum problem.
< 1452209585 851574 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that would've been the Q//// field.
< 1452209591 677289 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems that way.
< 1452209609 359462 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No wind, either.
< 1452209617 54797 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1452209620 481943 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still some clouds in the sky, though.
< 1452209634 155649 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :brrohily
< 1452209790 111018 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*munch* *munch* rjan
< 1452209807 91389 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(there's a sandwich in my mouth)
< 1452209975 397273 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa whoa whoa
< 1452209978 795683 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Undertale is TG.
< 1452209994 120477 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-50-92.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1452210042 615491 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*munchaf*
< 1452210056 820354 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's undertale, and why are they transgender?
< 1452210073 416514 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: baron munchausen?
< 1452210090 145417 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: it's a game at http://undertale.com/ , and it's too good.
< 1452210182 844489 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :baron munchausen had an operation?
< 1452210194 1532 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pixels! must resist the appeal...
< 1452210217 246589 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: what you must resist is spoilers
< 1452210232 905049 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is a very spoilable game. don't make the mistake i did. just don't read anything about it.
< 1452210329 610695 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@206.174.0.58 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1452210436 20509 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll continue what I'm doing, and having had the tab closed since a few bites ago, I'm at no reasonable risk of being spoiled.
< 1452210444 689720 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavellon[1].
< 1452210450 455147 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar CYUL
< 1452210450 882726 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYUL 072300Z 00000KT 15SM FEW120 SCT160 BKN240 M01/M06 A3028 RMK AC2AC1CI2 SLP256
< 1452210456 755107 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-1. not so bad.
< 1452211099 691395 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@206.174.0.58 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wel.
< 1452211101 561111 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@206.174.0.58 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Well.
< 1452211119 453787 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well?
< 1452211127 270416 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@206.174.0.58 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The wiki article on Al-Qaeda has a section titled "Criticism"
< 1452211266 85555 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@206.174.0.58 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ISIS even has "Criticism and controversy"
< 1452211278 30160 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@206.174.0.58 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it counts as "Controversy" when you're a rogue nation
< 1452211290 539191 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@206.174.0.58 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it counts as "Universal drive to destroy"
< 1452211301 364838 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@206.174.0.58 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know of many people who aren't anti-ISIS.
< 1452211307 705472 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@206.174.0.58 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ISIS/ISIL
< 1452211354 372841 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@206.174.0.58 PRIVMSG #esoteric :("because they're unambiguously evil")
< 1452211441 762348 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@206.174.0.58 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would like to found DGAFSIWWW. Don't-Give-A-Fuck State on the Internet and World Wide Web.
< 1452211609 892052 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I watched a couple of hours of streams, one of which had reminders to stop watching before playing it every half an hour.
< 1452211632 25673 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Did you take its advice after a couple of hours?
< 1452211642 472082 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I watched everything.
< 1452211948 562154 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@206.174.0.58 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: So I'm making a programming language that has the goal of being a glorified Regex
< 1452211963 273209 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@206.174.0.58 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Along with parts based on s/// syntax
< 1452212038 936391 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@206.174.0.58 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've decided on part of the syntax: for example, to replace "dog" with user input in a file, one would add the filename to the opened_files program variable, then would use this line:
< 1452212104 552385 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@206.174.0.58 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rf// -> s/dog/(input/)/ -> wf//
< 1452212110 389735 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: did you see http://i.imgur.com/hLM7hIX.png
< 1452212138 385581 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@206.174.0.58 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is equivalent to wf//(s/dog/(input/)/(rf//))/
< 1452212144 989279 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: it sounds strangely similar to ///.
< 1452212159 658312 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@206.174.0.58 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: That's not the whole language; it's just the part called alpha expressions
< 1452212187 25765 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@206.174.0.58 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, s/// isn't the only alpha expression you can use
< 1452212191 954428 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@206.174.0.58 PRIVMSG #esoteric :As you just saw
< 1452212198 99071 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@206.174.0.58 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it uses currying in alpha expressions :)
< 1452212254 540643 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Yes.
< 1452212417 637409 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: In other words, I did watch through a genocide run.
< 1452212469 437024 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzievil
< 1452212503 759709 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ds01-214-177.dynamic.mtsallstream.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1452212592 810266 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@206.174.0.58 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds
< 1452212958 812967 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode �
< 1452212960 275953 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+FFFD REPLACEMENT CHARACTER]
< 1452212978 657636 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cc #include  \n int main(void) { setlocale(LC_ALL, "fi_FI"); printf("%'.2f", 12340000.56); }
< 1452212984 461524 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :12340000,56
< 1452213001 903877 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode  
< 1452213002 940548 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+00A0 NO-BREAK SPACE]
< 1452213282 122389 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :TIL Finnish number formatting is strangely similar to French.
< 1452213307 620794 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cc #include  \n int main(void) { setlocale(LC_ALL, "no_NO"); printf("%'.2f", 12340000.56); }
< 1452213308 938716 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :12340000.56
< 1452213310 303963 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe Finnish is French.
< 1452213318 788156 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...since when do we use periods
< 1452213328 191326 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not what i learned in school :(
< 1452213339 235592 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it isn't no_no?
< 1452213342 821993 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm
< 1452213343 8700 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :LC_ALL=no_NO_NO!
< 1452213355 619385 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cc #include  \n int main(void) { setlocale(LC_ALL, "no_BM"); printf("%'.2f", 12340000.56); }
< 1452213356 881715 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :12340000.56
< 1452213357 548590 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they wanted to set me the locale but I said no_no_no ♪
< 1452213368 914073 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah what is it again
< 1452213402 133123 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ny_NO?
< 1452213409 595376 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90VCKVDXQwY
< 1452213421 39030 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: nn_NO or nb_NO.
< 1452213431 149733 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1452213434 256699 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :For Nynorsk and Bokmål, respectively.
< 1452213444 401134 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: BWAH AH AH :D
< 1452213445 832206 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cc #include  \n int main(void) { setlocale(LC_ALL, "nb_NO"); printf("%'.2f", 12340000.56); }
< 1452213446 7177 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999594.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cc #include  \n int main(void) { setlocale(LC_ALL, "nn_NO");  printf("%'I.2f", 12340000.56); }
< 1452213447 235826 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :12340000,56
< 1452213447 520273 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :12340000,56
< 1452213454 480443 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok that's better
< 1452213475 548938 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: by the way, which side are you on usually twh
< 1452213523 196879 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: It's also different from s/// in that alpha expressions are nestable
< 1452213531 934279 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999594.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought bokmål was how it's written and nynorsk was the spoken form?
< 1452213546 921551 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: the left side hth
< 1452213567 706012 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: no, they're both written forms.
< 1452213635 675399 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :theoretically, neither has an official spoken version, but there at least used to be standard pronunciation in the national broadcaster
< 1452213646 341327 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(NRK)
< 1452213666 191941 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you write and speak venstrenorsk. makes sense.
< 1452213697 371368 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is more or less western oslo for the bokmål and sogn og fjordane dialect for the nynorsk
< 1452213722 837015 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(western oslo being the posh part)
< 1452213772 577005 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: bokmål, usually, like 90% (?) of norwegians.
< 1452214013 653861 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjanstrenorsk
< 1452214531 72753 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : At least there's no difference there. <-- actually there were, the spaces are different utf8 chars
< 1452214566 695336 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :for some reason my browser displays one of them as a box
< 1452214778 714778 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that's just silly.
< 1452215042 464843 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems that fi_FI and sv_FI opt for the non-breaking space, while sv_SE uses just plain space.
< 1452215067 930677 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't be surprised if that wasn't due to any sort of official standards, just whatever whoever random guy made the locales happened to go with.
< 1452215138 742175 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds
< 1452215229 127098 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1452216213 132908 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: FALLACIOUS CHICKEN
< 1452216370 860661 :bender|!benderpc@2404:e800:e61a:41d:88a5:ad2:6a78:9cd9 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1452217117 805772 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wryetziruchnedtb QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity
< 1452218254 729984 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds
< 1452218926 65826 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-pbmtahzolmenfwfu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1452220345 230837 :Tod-Autojoined!~Tod@67-2-45-172.slkc.qwest.net NICK :TodPunk
< 1452221056 38569 :andrew!~andrew@61.141.94.171 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1452221854 292364 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDream
< 1452222294 673959 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? program
< 1452222297 694061 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A program is an image created by means of prography.
< 1452222325 270584 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1452222330 751850 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls
< 1452222333 277773 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​:-( \ 03(* \ bdsmreclist \ bin \ butwhatifichangesomething \ canary \ cat \ close \ *) \ Complaints.mp3 \ :-D \ dict-words \ dog \ emoticons \ etc \ evil \ factor \ good \ ibin \ interps \ le \ lib \ loudly é \ paste \ quines \ quotes \ share \ src \ wisdom \ wisdom.pdf
< 1452222351 351556 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat loudly é
< 1452222357 89547 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​04,0909,04
< 1452222365 681986 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`loudly é
< 1452222367 107250 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​04,09é
< 1452222384 52607 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if the neural net is capable of learning `loudly stuff.
< 1452222662 773145 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999594.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm... it only requires O(1) space
< 1452222681 445581 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999594.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, wait
< 1452222687 664349 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999594.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O(n) space
< 1452222734 588313 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999594.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok so I think it can probably learn that sometimes Hackego writes in loudly format
< 1452222745 356388 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rm loudly é
< 1452222749 263719 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1452222768 797601 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` cat bu*
< 1452222769 797936 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1452222780 221724 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` rm bu*
< 1452222783 461806 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1452222795 560554 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`culprits butwhatifichangesomething
< 1452222796 824057 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999594.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` cat butwhatifichangesomething
< 1452222798 412277 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat: butwhatifichangesomething: No such file or directory
< 1452222799 407736 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan zgrep
< 1452222851 251169 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls dict-words
< 1452222852 725416 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dict-words
< 1452222858 455069 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`file dict-words
< 1452222859 741953 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dict-words: assembler source, UTF-8 Unicode text
< 1452222872 984192 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` grep dict- bin/*
< 1452222876 847940 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1452222887 297352 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999594.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`butwhatifichangesomething
< 1452222887 471980 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls share
< 1452222888 375309 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: butwhatifichangesomething: not found
< 1452222888 554068 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :8ballreplies \ autowelcome_status \ awesome \ cat \ construct_grams.pl \ delvs-master \ esolangs.txt \ esolangs.txt.sorted \ hello \ hello2.c \ hello.c \ lua \ maze \ maze.c \ radio.php?out=inline&shuffle=1&limit=1&filter=*MitamineLab* \ units.dat \ WordData
< 1452222903 876118 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` mv dict-* share
< 1452222906 342773 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1452222914 26538 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: protip, i just deleted it
< 1452222922 957245 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999594.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1452222938 68521 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999594.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait what? oh
< 1452222955 659043 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999594.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ＯＯＯＯＯＯＯＯＯＨ
< 1452222969 289805 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : `culprits works even if it has been deleted
< 1452222974 511010 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm...
< 1452222984 640134 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`culprits nosuchthingever
< 1452222986 571958 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1452223019 740555 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, so it works even if it has never existed too
< 1452223065 352218 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999594.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ｈｍｍ．　ｍａｙｂｅ　ｔｈｅ　ｄｅｓｃｎｄｅｒｓ　ｏｎ　ｗｉｄｅ　ｌａｔｉｎ　ｌｏｏｋ　ｗｅｉｒｄ　ｙａｇａｊａｑａｐ
< 1452223071 391882 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls src
< 1452223072 283586 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :brainfuck.fu \ egobot.tar.xz \ emmental.hs \ factor-linux-x86-64-0.95.tar.gz \ fizziecoin.jpg \ fueue.c \ ploki \ ploki-0.6.5.1.tar.bz2 \ u8tbl.c \ ul.emm
< 1452223114 578404 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`file share/hello
< 1452223115 654879 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :share/hello: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), statically linked, BuildID[sha1]=0xa19cb2ef532bda400dc788c2a489ae39a14ceaec, stripped
< 1452223117 244039 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999594.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ｙａｈ　Ｉ　ｓｈｏｕｌｄ　ｓｈｏｒｔｅｎ　ｔｈｅ　ａｓｃｎｅｄｅｒ　ａｎｄ　ｆｉｘ　ｔｈａｔ
< 1452223127 915216 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? yagajaqap
< 1452223128 838634 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yagajaqap? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1452223149 501409 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999594.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ｉｔ　ｈａｓ　ｄｅｓｃｅｎｄｅｒｅｄ　ｌｅｔｔｅｒｓ　ｎｅｘｔ　ｔｏ　ａ’ｓ
< 1452223424 362393 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: I think it'll be able to learn that `loudly is what prompts the loudly format.
< 1452223449 772227 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interestingly, the net seemed to learn that bots respond to bot-commands *before* it learned which things go with which bot.
< 1452223465 446367 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999594.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha
< 1452223468 982654 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999594.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :awesome
< 1452223473 361194 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So if anyone did a `learn or a @tell or anything, you'd randomly get a response from HackEgo or lambdabot.
< 1452223489 457709 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even now, every so often someone will do a `le/rn which causes lambdabot to say "Consider it noted."
< 1452223623 889684 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are some things which the net pretty much never gets right, and never will.
< 1452223639 825001 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :When someone does a `?, HackEgo will respond with a wisdom entry, but it will never be the correct one.
< 1452223663 300929 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, `? doesn't tell you the name of the entry you requested.
< 1452223692 593427 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, when someone does `learn or `le/rn, it will always echo back the entry name incorrectly.
< 1452223777 678963 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999594.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`?
< 1452223778 912686 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1452223786 897142 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999594.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom
< 1452223788 908575 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wlcom/Hi! This is a chat about unusual programming tools. For additional info, visit our wiki: . (For unusual things of a contrasting sort, try http://bit.ly/19k9nf8.)
< 1452223796 548911 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999594.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom
< 1452223798 626753 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :foe/the foe is the Field-On Enemy
< 1452223804 138522 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999594.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom
< 1452223806 498728 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haar measure/A Haar measure is what Dutch people use to find out how long their hair is.
< 1452223811 679667 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999594.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom
< 1452223813 486917 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hthyh/"hthyh" is a common typo for "tithe".
< 1452223821 141031 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999594.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom
< 1452223823 850554 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fisdom/fisdom is the domination by the federal inspection station.
< 1452223827 636103 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999594.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom
< 1452223829 623704 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ostrich/Ostrich used to be a large middle European empire in frequent conflict with Turkey. After a famine it sort of split into Ostrich/Hungry. Alas its policy of keeping its head in the sand did not get it through the Great War, and with its final attempts to take flight failing, it ended up cut into several pieces.
< 1452223839 83575 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999594.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom
< 1452223841 51260 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :languabe/Languabes are edible and fun. They provide a quick implementation energy boost!
< 1452223845 772972 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999594.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom
< 1452223847 955778 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :0/702 matching entries found.
< 1452223850 955035 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999594.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom
< 1452223853 61091 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :jwinslow23/JWinslow23 is not here.
< 1452223856 294862 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999594.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom
< 1452223858 124056 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mockingbird/mockingbird is watching you.. closely! Is it mocking you? Probably.
< 1452223860 502448 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999594.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom
< 1452223862 105134 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gotton/gotton is a quantum of attention. Solain drives the packet.
< 1452223971 848039 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo: Ah, my digital friend, what didst thou wish to speak to me about?
< 1452224015 657255 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently HackEgo (and other bots too, as I've learned) don't want to talk to me. :(
< 1452224809 854370 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom
< 1452224811 788295 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​☃/Frosty the Snowman / had a very shiny nose / And everywhere that Frosty went / the nose was sure to go.
< 1452224816 777082 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? this
< 1452224818 21061 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is a word
< 1452224860 401221 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is not a pipe
< 1452224940 462120 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn `? this | this
< 1452224944 281200 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned '`': `? this | this
< 1452224959 657856 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? `
< 1452224961 119325 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​`? this | this
< 1452224971 871367 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, whoops
< 1452224975 646012 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? this | this
< 1452224976 793993 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this | this? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1452224983 609516 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unlearn `
< 1452224984 609935 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: unlearn: not found
< 1452224992 386586 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a way to unlearn something?
< 1452225014 695671 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999594.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`u8tbl 0x261a 0x2620
< 1452225015 943177 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Segmentation fault
< 1452225024 33152 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999594.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` u8tbl 0x261a 0x2620
< 1452225025 170231 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​☚☛☜☝☞☟ \ ☠
< 1452225112 268250 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :☝☝☟☟☜☞☜☞
< 1452225128 179067 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow
< 1452225144 227058 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently 2^^^3 is larger than computers can calculate
< 1452225157 125943 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suddenly have a newfound appreciation for graham's number
< 1452225164 249217 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Computers can calculate it just fine.
< 1452225173 435211 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "2" ++ "^^^" ++ "3"
< 1452225173 936102 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999594.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` u8tbl 0x232d 0x2335
< 1452225175 3861 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : "2^^^3"
< 1452225175 178499 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​⌭⌮⌯ \ ⌰⌱⌲⌳⌴⌵
< 1452225196 381867 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: that doesn't work
< 1452225200 62280 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: you have to do
< 1452225216 889678 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "2^(3^(3^3))"
< 1452225218 748616 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : "2^(3^(3^3))"
< 1452225253 49640 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "2" ++ "^" ++ "(" ++ "3" ++ "^" ++ "(" ++ "3" ++ "^" ++ "3" ++ ")" ++ ")"
< 1452225254 703354 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : "2^(3^(3^3))"
< 1452225266 112100 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 3 * 2
< 1452225267 767325 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 6
< 1452225275 806564 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 2^(3^(3^3))
< 1452225281 21012 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval: ExitFailure 1
< 1452225303 822786 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, certainly not in base 2 representation.
< 1452225314 749376 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's horribly inefficient for numbers like these.
< 1452225346 147487 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999594.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` u8tbl 0x21f9 0x21ff
< 1452225347 573922 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​⇹⇺⇻⇼⇽⇾⇿
< 1452225459 107542 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999594.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` u8tbl 0x2139 0x2139
< 1452225460 121002 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ℹ
< 1452225473 103103 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999594.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` u8tbl 0x214f 0x214f
< 1452225474 152451 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​⅏
< 1452225643 838014 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999594.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ａｓ　ｅｘｐｅｃｔｅｄ，　ｔｈｅ　ｗｉｄｅ　ｌｏｗｅｒｃａｓｅ　ｗｉｔｈ　ｒａｉｓｅｄ　ｍｉｄｄｌｅｓ　ｌｏｏｋｓ　ｂｅｔｔｅｒ
< 1452225698 426782 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999594.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it looks wierd mixed with wide uppercase, but that rarely occurs
< 1452225912 704923 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`culprits wisdom/`
< 1452225915 721077 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Elronnd int-e ais523 oerjan elliott Bike FreeFull oerjan
< 1452225919 981068 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1452225959 236231 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert
< 1452225969 67947 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rm: cannot remove `/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/env/.hg/store/data/canary.orig': Is a directory \ Done.
< 1452225972 424194 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? `
< 1452225973 562480 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​` is the prefix to greatness.
< 1452225988 312535 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that great
< 1452226072 772109 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : `revert is not `unlearn btw it only reverts the last change
< 1452226092 178822 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or back to a given point)
< 1452226098 882683 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :BLAHrevert undoes the last change to wisdom/BLAH
< 1452226117 948752 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :``revert
< 1452226118 701512 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: `revert: not found
< 1452226152 160971 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it's not a sandboxed command, so you cannot use it from ``
< 1452226153 742328 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999594.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yah I pdtduae my http://www.orenwatson.be/fontdemo.htm
< 1452226196 291405 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999594.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm excited about being able to use ☠
< 1452226260 110703 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999594.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I can mark bad code with the simple comment //☠
< 1452226275 446845 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also that strange error message `revert gives is harmless and fizzie is supposed to fix it.
< 1452226340 341698 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or Gregor.  theoretically.)
< 1452226355 64410 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :12 days idle
< 1452226362 987414 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :no one is supposing that fizzie or Gregor will fix it
< 1452226373 837438 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999594.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ☠
< 1452226374 943714 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+2620 SKULL AND CROSSBONES]
< 1452226387 749084 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999594.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode ☠
< 1452226390 243425 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+2620 SKULL AND CROSSBONES \ UTF-8: e2 98 a0  UTF-16BE: 2620  Decimal: ☠ \ ☠ \ Category: So (Symbol, Other) \ Bidi: ON (Other Neutrals)
< 1452226391 405424 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i see no contradiction hth
< 1452226505 823915 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: No offense, but tbh your font is kind of hard to read
< 1452226549 273141 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\ never claimed it was a font of knowledge.
< 1452226652 91783 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure it is, you need a lot of knowledge to understand it hth
< 1452226718 816909 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear, poor Sam
< 1452226724 611392 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(freefall)
< 1452226901 875148 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999594.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Elronnd: which letters?
< 1452226967 665351 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: well, I guess I wouldn't say any letters in particular are hard to read
< 1452226991 999801 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just that the font as a whole... while attractive, isn't something that's clear or easy enough for me to use on a day-to-day basis
< 1452227144 456164 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999594.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well yeah most of the letters are in a radical geometric sans-serif form... like more radical than futura. So yeah, it disrupts the part of people
< 1452227161 831974 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999594.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :'s brains that are expecting normal letterforms
< 1452227385 961972 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999594.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the main point when I originally designed it was to make my terminal look like I'm from 2100
< 1452227419 986594 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999594.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :by using ideas from a font from 1927. history is weird
< 1452227437 209099 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999594.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :aesthetics are also weird
< 1452227781 769671 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999594.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I also have a rabid hatred of the two-storey lowercase a
< 1452227783 964174 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46096&oldid=46081 5* 03114.78.111.34 5* (+78) 10/* P */
< 1452227803 246260 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999594.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that was also an initial motivation
< 1452228324 877101 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? oren
< 1452228325 935592 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren is a Canadian esolanger who would like to obliterate time zones so that he can talk to his father who lives in the same house. He'll orobablu get the hang of toycj tuping soon.
< 1452228345 547918 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn_append oren He also has a rabid hatred of the two-storey lowercase a.
< 1452228348 246091 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'oren': oren is a Canadian esolanger who would like to obliterate time zones so that he can talk to his father who lives in the same house. He'll orobablu get the hang of toycj tuping soon. He also has a rabid hatred of the two-storey lowercase a.
< 1452228508 854295 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? Elronnd
< 1452228510 600848 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Elronnd? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1452228558 674125 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :TOO SOON
< 1452228691 475379 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Elronnd ...
< 1452228693 652951 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'elronnd': Elronnd ...
< 1452228695 367900 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? Elronnd
< 1452228696 649936 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Elronnd ...
< 1452229370 178730 :onetwothreeforli!dondestant@cpe-75-83-135-1.socal.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1452229784 956473 :mauris_!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
< 1452231098 795883 :Trinity!~Trinity@unaffiliated/trinity QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds
< 1452232256 954640 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Morning
< 1452232325 674450 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hehehe (re: freefall
< 1452232326 244746 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :)
< 1452232565 862424 :onetwothreeforli!dondestant@cpe-75-83-135-1.socal.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :5.7280580892384145e-9
< 1452232599 863929 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :?????
< 1452232905 132676 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ds01-214-177.dynamic.mtsallstream.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1452232937 814683 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haneb
< 1452232962 861213 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1452232965 464783 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've just had a marvelous idea
< 1452232966 374783 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CMD++
< 1452232976 126813 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A command line for windows
< 1452232977 467807 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999594.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm tring to find an embark spot with a waterfall
< 1452232981 856361 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :THAT'S ACTUALLY GOOD
< 1452233003 774691 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*-^_^-*
< 1452233005 416765 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999594.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: Powershell?
< 1452233009 134588 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(mind blown)
< 1452233015 692119 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: No.
< 1452233023 887901 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: Just port zsh to windows
< 1452233033 564038 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Elronnd: OR make a completely new shell
< 1452233047 952345 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :no need
< 1452233060 242433 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :all the existing shells are good enough
< 1452233060 455797 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Elronnd: It's more fun that way
< 1452233072 956102 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Elronnd: But I find making a new shell 10000000000000000000000000 times more fu
< 1452233075 521762 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*fun
< 1452233101 963696 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :what language will it be written in?
< 1452233106 466959 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :r
< 1452233118 42731 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Elronnd: r?
< 1452233128 127797 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, typo
< 1452233130 793565 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah
< 1452233135 790707 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :You probably shouldn't write a shell in r
< 1452233150 873049 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Elronnd: I'm thinking a prototype in python followed up by a C-based full version
< 1452233166 522031 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Elronnd: that sounds like a great reason to write a shell in r
< 1452233182 758080 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: be warned: python uses /bin/sh for os.system()
< 1452233196 796813 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Elronnd: ?
< 1452233206 574377 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not using os.system()
< 1452233220 664123 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just cautioning you *against* using it
< 1452233223 847133 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm talking about the command-line language; not just the window xD
< 1452233227 423752 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1452233231 813751 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Elronnd: Ah. Well, I won't.
< 1452233254 693865 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1452233324 827800 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Elronnd: Luckily, I already wrote a parser using PLY that does pretty much a full BASH-like shell (featurewise, not syntaxwise. Just for individual commands, not a full file thing)
< 1452233343 412166 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :"PLY"?
< 1452233353 489794 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Elronnd: Python Lexx/Yacc
< 1452233386 144544 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/lexx/flex
< 1452233390 292945 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So what makes a CLI good?
< 1452233392 970625 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/Yacc/bison
< 1452233413 334580 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: curses!
< 1452233416 999446 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Elronnd: PLY was what was available to me, and it worked well. Don't need a holy war over what type to use
< 1452233427 502747 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Elronnd: curses? As in...?
< 1452233432 660154 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :the curses library
< 1452233464 10055 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION 
< 1452233465 906070 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :e
< 1452233478 694306 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION points and curses at keyboard
< 1452233554 333692 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Elronnd: I think I'll make it support Unicode, for starters
< 1452233584 441093 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What should I call the shell?
< 1452233610 94960 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :λsh? ASCIIc: \sh
< 1452233620 500166 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh! Ooh!
< 1452233629 248512 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could make it support functional programming!
< 1452233641 43977 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :backsla\sh
< 1452233653 298895 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like a good name for shells
< 1452233687 542076 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, I already named it CMD++ xD
< 1452233695 884365 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I might rename it to λsh
< 1452233867 556857 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lamb-dash
< 1452234190 176956 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is slightly worried whether anyone remembered Agatha's weasel in the confusion
< 1452234476 355929 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm also, which princess?
< 1452234592 657928 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, maybe it's the king's daughter who hoffman was supposed to marry
< 1452234613 791085 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would make sense if she didn't approve of the plan
< 1452234635 229887 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*hoffmann
< 1452234777 838000 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :other, very bad option: clank princess anevka
< 1452234782 929779 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lamb-duh
< 1452234883 336504 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the lamb-duh calculus, for people not impressed by functional programming
< 1452234995 981133 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-fqwsgaguguulqava QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
< 1452235015 694710 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or does colette count?  the master doesn't call himself king...
< 1452235376 668280 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :repre = allf $3?>. | map {replace $1 $2} #0
< 1452235393 480816 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(repre is similar to sed, if I know my unix correctly)
< 1452235401 943112 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's just an approximation, of course
< 1452235435 460652 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact, I think it's more like repre = allf $3?>. | map {replace $1 $2} #0 > #0
< 1452235506 352767 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-vkzrciiufphnuwge JOIN :#esoteric
< 1452235524 464367 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Does that syntax look acceptable?
< 1452235581 273227 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea what it even means.
< 1452235655 275497 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ references an argv, the ?> operator is alternation (if the previous statement fails, do this instead), . is the cwd, | is pipe (I think I changed it to |>, actually), map is, of course, map, {...} forms an lambda, replace takes three arguments (from, to, in -> s/from/to/ over in) and # references piped-over variables, specifically with #0 representing the full list. And, of courses, > redirectes to a file, clobbering its 
< 1452235655 702640 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :content.
< 1452235667 793143 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: There. Explanation.
< 1452235702 867210 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and allf lists all files in a given directory
< 1452235958 818454 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :your lambdas have a distinct lack of parameters tdnh
< 1452235974 269830 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ...
< 1452235986 403115 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shit.
< 1452237902 571501 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.177 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1452238131 993477 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46097&oldid=46096 5* 03Mroman 5* (-78) 10Undo revision 46096 by [[Special:Contributions/114.78.111.34|114.78.111.34]] ([[User talk:114.78.111.34|talk]]) -- Python is not "esoteric" and has no page on this wiki.
< 1452238338 876827 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that reminds me
< 1452238466 708218 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46098&oldid=46097 5* 03Oerjan 5* (-14) 10/* F */ I think the original author has had enough time to make an article for this language I cannot find. Removing.
< 1452239508 993411 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: more M:tG theory. in typical games, if the player had perfect memory and attention, then except during playing spells, he could know the multisets of identities of cards he owns in all zones, because when a card he owns moves between zones, he can almost always look at it. 
< 1452239535 876619 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can think of a few exceptions, mostly related to exiling the top coard of a library face-down
< 1452239545 609615 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that is normally true
< 1452239556 127065 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exactly: there are some cards that break this: Duplicity, Grimoire Thief, and a few others move cards from your library to exile face down without the owner looking at them.
< 1452239584 935954 :onetwothreeforli!dondestant@cpe-75-83-135-1.socal.res.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1452239666 317360 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :As a result, if you put more than one instance of the same card in your deck, it's normally better for your game to use indistinguishable copies, because distinguishable copies (eg. two Giant Growths from different sets) can give your opponent extra information.
< 1452239702 172016 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But in some of those rare cases with Duplicity etc, it can in theory (not much in practical matches) happen that it's better for your game to have distinguishable copies of the same card in your deck.
< 1452239765 813014 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This can happen if you exile multiple cards face down from your library, then scry, shuffle, and scry your library. If you see two different Giant Growths from the two scrying, you can tell that you don't have either of them exiled face down.
< 1452239830 909596 :dondestantman!dondestant@cpe-75-83-135-1.socal.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1452239840 411712 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now my rules question for this is. During a game, are you permitted to alter the appearance of cards you own to make them distinguishable (as in, distinguishable even after they're shuffled in the library) when they were previously indistinguishable, or the reverse? And when can you do that?
< 1452239886 616438 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Similarly, are you permitted to alter the cards this way during a match outside games, or even between matches in a tournament where you must play multiple matches with the same deck?
< 1452239910 868167 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I presume you aren't permitted to alter the cards you don't own.
< 1452240024 786685 :andrew_!~andrew@61.141.94.171 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1452240044 836159 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is the first part of this, altering cards during the game, at least partly a game rules question (as opposed to a tournament rules question)?
< 1452240077 537766 :andrew_!~andrew@61.141.94.171 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
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< 1452240270 506862 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And does this question even make sense?
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< 1452243142 993631 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite
< 1452243180 954343 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
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< 1452244946 815304 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
< 1452245120 856149 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a :between?
< 1452245170 781995 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1452245174 113347 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::not(last-child)
< 1452245304 175232 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems not to work in firefox
< 1452245315 997903 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nav ul li:not(last-child):after
< 1452245330 571194 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or was it ::after
< 1452245388 266220 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it's :not(:last-child)
< 1452245423 95762 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nav ul li:not(:last-child)::after { content: ' | '; }
< 1452245430 885999 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's both :after and ::after, but the latter is more modern.
< 1452245447 566238 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want to insert | between two nav links without having it to add to the html
< 1452245455 946813 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Luckily in practice it's very rare for any player to gain gameplay advantage from distinguishable-after-shuffle copies this way, and the advantage is very slight,
< 1452245476 409207 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so in practical games I often can and do run distinguishable copies of cards.
< 1452245551 492630 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I run copies of a conventional basic land with different art, because decks often have lots of copies and they're often on the battlefield and it's nice to have variety in the art (if you've ever played a deck with 11 Coldsnap snow swamps you'll know what I mean).
< 1452245580 716311 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And for some cards I don't have enough copies of the preferred variant in my collection, so I run different copies in a deck because of that.
< 1452245672 127504 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hu
< 1452245675 966673 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is column-count not CSS3?
< 1452245752 202709 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could write a blog-post "How to use AWK if you're a madman who learnt to program using Haskell and Piet"
< 1452245776 326775 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if someone wants to alter the front of a card during a game, it's most likely with the intent of marking it temporarily within a zone, it just might be physically more convenient to mark it permanently.
< 1452245789 522745 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1452245816 817656 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does the h* (such as h1,h2) go into a 

< 1452245818 423965 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or outside?
< 1452245832 611336 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
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foo
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< 1452245835 153852 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably the first
< 1452245853 124618 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then you'd need to wrap the p's inside another element to be able to define multi-column
< 1452245859 516810 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: see examples under http://www.w3.org/html/wg/drafts/html/master/semantics.html#the-section-element
< 1452245899 473672 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the description there as well
< 1452245919 397587 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh there's column-span though
< 1452245921 761579 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but
< 1452245935 379498 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :multicolumns suck when you resize the window
< 1452245947 798084 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ideally you'd specify a max-column-count
< 1452245958 54535 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something like that and the browser calculates how many
< 1452245968 185162 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because on a smartphone display having two columns looks like crap
< 1452246031 582436 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah firefox doesn't support column-span
< 1452246031 757037 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't that why you do column-width without column-count? 
< 1452246033 188566 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pff
< 1452246082 716919 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean like uhm
< 1452246085 979763 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :column-width: 40em?
< 1452246088 641055 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can try that
< 1452246105 594048 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yeah
< 1452246106 634507 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice :D
< 1452246108 344062 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks.
< 1452246109 885716 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something like that. It's the minimum width, and I think the browser's supposed to make as many columns of at least that width as it can fit.
< 1452246193 578254 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does chromium have webkit?
< 1452246196 645149 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need webkit 
< 1452246200 775248 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ff has no column-span
< 1452246269 230377 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's got Blink, which is WebKit-based.
< 1452246305 426003 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I think the answer is more "yes" than "no".
< 1452246549 616967 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although generally I think people don't like reading webpages with multi-columns
< 1452246773 127715 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm html5 has figures
< 1452246778 169442 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you reference figures :D?
< 1452246858 553725 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hu
< 1452246863 777243 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was once at our university library, and happened to glance at a maths journal on the "new journal issues" display table.
< 1452246864 386941 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :firefox uses bing now as default search engine?
< 1452246871 384482 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Before the table of contents, there was a complicated-looking diagram of something or another, with the caption: "Fig. 1: A fascinating picture."
< 1452246879 339004 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, they switched the default relatively recently.
< 1452246909 249888 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I thought it was Yahoo they switched to? 
< 1452246976 936344 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I guess Yahoo's search results come from Bing.
< 1452247154 469449 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how the want html to be more "semantic"
< 1452247155 379257 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but
< 1452247169 163379 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't reference things in your document properly
< 1452247194 801557 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait
< 1452247195 794557 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1452247207 19431 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :scratch that you can
< 1452247237 958207 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you do counters with css?
< 1452247279 686963 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1452247310 668712 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS2/generate.html#counters in CSS 2.1 -- not sure how that's evolved since then.
< 1452247365 220370 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay \o/
< 1452247405 418800 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but can you make a link to an element that uses counters
< 1452247514 91468 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You mean like a proper LaTeX \ref{}, so that it mentions the value in the link? Hmm.
< 1452247515 944528 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :My figures have a counter now
< 1452247519 233808 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I can do
< 1452247532 482371 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :figcaption::before {  content: 'Fig. ' counter(figures) ': '; }
< 1452247540 664828 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :all figures have also a unique id
< 1452247554 263326 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I'd want see figure 
< 1452247575 477151 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, @\ref
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< 1452247708 700009 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. All I can find is the "CSS Generated Content for Paged Media Module" draft, which defines what you want (a target-counter() function that takes the counter value by following a link), but doesn't seem to have been implemented anywhere.
< 1452247777 95272 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't access content with css?
< 1452247778 521053 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or can you?
< 1452247845 1681 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1452247847 938624 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's attr though
< 1452247848 366589 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so
< 1452247850 293190 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe uhm
< 1452247858 371927 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :content(attr(target)) works
< 1452247933 657194 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm no
< 1452247938 914285 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would just give me the current counter state
< 1452247970 718467 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :As far as I can tell, it's just not something you can do. Although the target-counter function seems to have been picked up by the "CSS Books" WHATWG spec, which probably isn't implemented in browsers either.
< 1452248035 87604 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The thinking seems to be that you only do cross-references with numbers when you're doing "print".
< 1452248172 872509 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I like how MDN's documentation on the new sections-and-outlines stuff starts with: "There are currently no known implementations of the outline algorithm in graphical browsers -- the outline algorithm cannot be relied upon to convey document structure to users. Authors are advised to use heading rank (h1-h6) to convey document structure."
< 1452248177 905142 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So semantic.
< 1452248235 850544 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would have liked a general 
< 1452248249 715113 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the browsers determine the level based on section nesting or something like that
< 1452248265 628362 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah
< 1452248280 144968 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the whole semantig tag thing is almost useless
< 1452248293 99438 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not the reason people use HTML5 :)
< 1452248332 983031 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and printing webpages is even more pain in the ass anyway
< 1452248652 688634 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even know what the status of screen readers is
< 1452248661 590614 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example to read mathml or things like that
< 1452248757 46855 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ChromeVox apparentely supports mathjax output
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< 1452253823 315696 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`widsom
< 1452253824 455101 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: widsom: not found
< 1452253829 543518 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom
< 1452253831 148556 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :metasepia/metasepia knew the weather at your nearest airport, and also something about ducks.
< 1452253864 495147 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, how I wish I could ~metar again...
< 1452253869 342057 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar CYUL
< 1452253869 688618 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYUL 081100Z 02007KT 5SM BR SKC M07/M08 A3026 RMK SLP251
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< 1452255806 122529 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What happened to metasepia?
< 1452256230 83794 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, video of AGDQ 2016 run of Crypt of the Necrodancer in hard mode is up now: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIeYb_vLirQ
< 1452256234 643266 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :worth to watch the game part
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< 1452257074 498938 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah! I see
< 1452257075 796894 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tricky code
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< 1452260799 332899 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they want to lecture refugees on how to treat women
< 1452260825 421015 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :refugees/asylum seekers
< 1452260844 883007 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds fair
< 1452260846 63797 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If!
< 1452260876 318194 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we lecture US citizens about gun safety :D
< 1452261312 998748 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I heard they already lecture asylum seekers on exactly that topic in Finland.
< 1452261321 560962 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :women?
< 1452261331 199785 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. I don't know if this is true.
< 1452261357 635198 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, obviously they will do some amount of lecturing on what the country is like, culturally.
< 1452261374 178006 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I doubt anyone really objects to that much.
< 1452261378 570194 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it makes sense to lecture them about culture and some base laws
< 1452261409 503697 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if that means telling them "having sex against someone's will is rape and is a crime" ... I guess that's fine
< 1452261444 728944 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(technically it'd be only rape if the victim is female but that's a detail)
< 1452261451 489147 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(let's just use "sexual assault")
< 1452261504 426358 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It especially makes sense because certain countries allow sex at much younger ages
< 1452261520 436191 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or marriages at younger ages
< 1452261570 675421 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Funciton14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46099&oldid=45925 5* 03Timwi 5* (+9216) 10Remove all the subpages with Funciton code and just list the functions here directly. Link to the github repo containing the actual source.
< 1452261661 930452 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`dateu
< 1452261663 214305 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2016-01-08 14:01:02.160115000+00:00
< 1452261717 96437 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Funciton/Functions14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46100&oldid=44342 5* 03Timwi 5* (-807) 10Replaced content with "This page can be deleted."
< 1452261725 849947 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Funciton/List handling14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46101&oldid=44631 5* 03Timwi 5* (-71313) 10Replaced content with "This page can be deleted."
< 1452261727 629570 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Funciton/Lazy-evaluated sequences14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46102&oldid=44354 5* 03Timwi 5* (-83683) 10Replaced content with "This page can be deleted."
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< 1452261734 48593 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Funciton/Basic arithmetic14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46104&oldid=44339 5* 03Timwi 5* (-22136) 10Replaced content with "This page can be deleted."
< 1452261735 125405 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Funciton/Advanced arithmetic14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46105&oldid=35281 5* 03Timwi 5* (-9258) 10Replaced content with "This page can be deleted."
< 1452261737 338348 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Funciton/String handling14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46106&oldid=38070 5* 03Timwi 5* (-27510) 10Replaced content with "This page can be deleted."
< 1452261739 478074 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhm...
< 1452261803 774064 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Funciton14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46107&oldid=46099 5* 03Timwi 5* (+78) 10/* Fundamentals */ forgot cross-nop
< 1452261972 548421 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, the function definitions (now omitted) are big.
< 1452262012 299714 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Funciton14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46108&oldid=46107 5* 03Timwi 5* (+283) 10/* More functions */ Add remaining newest functions
< 1452262562 980488 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking about having a github repository called esowiki
< 1452262587 20721 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which people can easily clone and then do pull requests
< 1452262612 161480 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then link to there from the esowiki
< 1452262627 800812 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than using mediafire and whatnot
< 1452262650 606369 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and all snippets/examples/interpreters would roughly be at the same place
< 1452262691 437535 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Esolang talk:Community portal14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46109&oldid=40085 5* 03Timwi 5* (+193) 10/* “delete” */
< 1452262859 613084 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meh, I still find this mediawiki behaviour counterintuitive: When you are on a diff page, the active "tab" has a link (here: 'Discussion') that leads to a different page (namely, the current version of that page rather than the diff)...
< 1452262873 926150 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Cardinal14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46110&oldid=46094 5* 03Timwi 5* (+6) 10
< 1452262965 31512 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because if mediafire shuts down for some copyright related reasons or whatever
< 1452262967 99884 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :these will be lost
< 1452262984 466669 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it also happens a lot that somebody hosts stuff on personal sites and then it gets lost :)
< 1452262996 781513 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or uses an upload site that only stores things for a year or so
< 1452263048 813272 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although according to the external link search and a few tests these mediafire zip files usually contain only an exe of the interpreter :(
< 1452263079 582516 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :mm, mediafire... wtf is wrong with web designers?
< 1452263116 400107 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have about one page worth of text... and spread it out to 6
< 1452263140 638432 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are 54 mediafire links apparentely
< 1452263153 258829 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=Special:LinkSearch&limit=500&offset=0&target=http%3A%2F%2F*.mediafire.com)
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< 1452263277 995438 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46112&oldid=46098 5* 03Timwi 5* (+12) 10/* E */
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< 1452263904 436218 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I guess I was a bit unfair... at least the site shows some useful contents without Javascript.)
< 1452264334 733900 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lately I've seen more sites that detect my adblocker and then just don't show me the real content
< 1452264412 59223 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: I don't see that much, or at least I don't notice that that's why a site doesn't load, but some sites at least seem to deliberately serve ad images faster than the images of the main content
< 1452264447 489466 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: or perhaps you're just mistaken about what the main content is...
< 1452264450 559988 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This needn't be deliberate, it's possible that the ads are just on an external server that's fast.
< 1452264551 131121 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh... lua 5.3 has the bitwise operators have a higher precedence than the comparison operators? HERECY! they don't respect the traditions decreed on us by the prophets K&R.
< 1452264568 222866 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:HelloWorld14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46113&oldid=45761 5* 03205.222.248.69 5* (+68) 10/* Add More */ new section
< 1452264694 696432 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: good for them :)
< 1452264718 198259 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 0 == 1 .&. 2
< 1452264720 127718 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : True
< 1452264753 989957 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bild.de (german newspaper) blocks me for example
< 1452264803 280463 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :disable CSS ;)
< 1452264808 339386 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it might also be due to me not allowing third party cookies
< 1452264811 54231 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really know
< 1452264826 578971 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems like deactivating privacy badger and adblock still blocks me
< 1452264865 687814 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :without CSS and Javascript I can read some articles there... isn't that fun
< 1452264904 5595 :mauris_!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1452264910 686756 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me see... for me, http://www.bild.de it puts an overlay covering most of the page saying that the site needs javascript, but if I delete the overlay, I get to see some actual headlines and images stuff under
< 1452264947 263046 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and with CSS disabled, the "overlay" ends up at the end of the page.
< 1452264996 864933 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in any case I'm not really interested in that particular site
< 1452265013 179292 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :similarly, an article http://www.bild.de/sport/wintersport/franziska-hildebrand/holt-heimsieg-in-ruhpolding-44072962.bild.html is covered by the overlay but there's a short article under
< 1452265019 965321 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
< 1452265102 440660 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :funnily enough I probably only need to deactivate javascript
< 1452265195 11730 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1452265196 786834 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1452265203 574323 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :deactivate javascript
< 1452265212 433244 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :use firebug to remove the stupid