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00:13:27 <oerjan> `learn `revert is a bit buggy. The canary.orig error message is annoying but seemingly harmless. However, reverting a newly created file tends not to work - use `rm instead.
00:13:30 <HackEgo> Learned '`revert': `revert is a bit buggy. The canary.orig error message is annoying but seemingly harmless. However, reverting a newly created file tends not to work - use `rm instead.
00:14:07 <oerjan> just so it's documented somewhere.
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00:16:47 <oerjan> ah new lightning made of owls
00:17:24 <oerjan> two!
00:17:52 <coppro> how do I add a command agian?
00:18:24 <oerjan> coppro: add it to bin/ . if it's a single line script, `mkx is convenient.
00:18:38 <fizzie> `paste bin/mkx
00:18:39 <HackEgo> http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/bin/mkx
00:19:02 <ais523> no need to paste that, really
00:19:04 <ais523> `cat bin/mkx
00:19:05 <HackEgo> key=$(mk "$@") && echo "$key" && chmod +x "$key"
00:19:16 <fizzie> You never know how long these things are.
00:19:19 <ais523> `cat bin/mk
00:19:20 <HackEgo> ​[[ "$1" == ?*//* ]] || exit 1; key="${1%%//*}"; value="${1#*//}"; echo "$value" > "$key" && echo "$key"
00:19:33 <ais523> fizzie: well you can cat it to IRC first and then paste if it's too long
00:19:47 <coppro> `mkx quote; quote; quote; quote; quote
00:19:48 <HackEgo> No output.
00:19:53 <coppro> oh wait
00:19:58 <coppro> `mkx 5quote quote; quote; quote; quote; quote
00:19:59 <HackEgo> No output.
00:20:04 <coppro> `rm bin/quote\;
00:20:05 <HackEgo> rm: cannot remove `bin/quote\\;': No such file or directory
00:20:11 <coppro> did I just kill quote
00:20:12 <coppro> `quote
00:20:13 <HackEgo> 22) PA ET ANNET UNIVERSET DER DE ENESTE PERSONEN OERJAN: <oerjan> sa jeg kan bare konkludere med at det er feil, eller er verden helt bonkers
00:20:14 <oerjan> coppro: you need // as separator
00:20:20 <coppro> `5quote
00:20:21 <HackEgo> ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: 5quote: not found
00:20:26 <coppro> oerjan: eh?
00:20:36 <fizzie> As in, `mkx something//contents.
00:20:48 <fizzie> Or is that bin/something?
00:20:49 <oerjan> and the bin/ needs to be there too
00:20:55 <fizzie> Yeah, didn't read so closely.
00:20:58 <coppro> oh
00:21:09 <coppro> `mkx bin/5quote//quote;quote;quote;quote;quote;
00:21:11 <HackEgo> bin/5quote
00:21:12 <coppro> `5quote
00:21:14 <HackEgo> 565) <oerjan> <Patashu> But wait what if I'm using a quantum computer <-- there is "quantum entropy". it's the same except no one understands it. \ 535) <hagb4rd> jesus, yes.. he was human <hagb4rd> and that is fantastic <hagb4rd> more than beeing able to speak with fish.. like seaman does \ 428) <monqy> beautiful summer / fuck fuck fuck fuck fu
00:21:21 <coppro> T_T
00:21:34 <fizzie> You can't get more than one line of output from HackEgo by any means.
00:21:41 <oerjan> `` allquotes | shuf -n 5
00:21:43 <HackEgo> 615) * oerjan concludes that unsafeCoerce has no effect on strictness \ 412) <NihilistDandy> Non sequitur is my forte <NihilistDandy> On-topic discussion is my piano <Taneb> Bowls of sugary breakfast cereal is my mezzoforte <Taneb> Full fat milk is my pianissimo <Taneb> On which note, I'm hungry \ 425) <Phantom_Hoover> Sgeo_, the origin of suff
00:21:54 <fizzie> Which is probably why people have gotten the habit of spamming `quote, I guess.
00:22:07 <oerjan> yeah
00:23:32 <ais523> coppro: using `«command» doesn't do any shell formatting or escaping
00:23:39 <ais523> if you want shell escapes do `` «command»
00:23:44 <ais523> `` rm bin/quote\;
00:23:46 <HackEgo> rm: cannot remove `bin/quote;': No such file or directory
00:26:37 <fizzie> `` sed -i -e 's|exit 1|(echo usage: $0 file//contents; exit 1)|' bin/mk
00:26:39 <HackEgo> No output.
00:26:50 <fizzie> `mkx I don't know the syntax
00:26:53 <HackEgo> usage: /hackenv/bin/mk file//contents \ I don't know the syntax \ chmod: cannot access `usage: /hackenv/bin/mk file//contents\nI don\'t know the syntax': No such file or directory
00:26:58 <fizzie> Hm.
00:27:22 <fizzie> Well, it made mk a bit nicer, but broke mkx; I guess the exit 1 didn't take from the subshell or some-such.
00:27:53 <fizzie> Or, oh; mkx doesn't even check? It just assumes, and now that made some output.
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00:28:19 <fizzie> `` sed -i -e 's|contents;|contents >&2;|' bin/mk
00:28:21 <HackEgo> No output.
00:28:23 <fizzie> `mkx how about now
00:28:26 <HackEgo> ​/hackenv/bin/mk: line 1: 2: command not found \ how about now
00:28:40 <fizzie> I just keep breaking it.
00:28:55 <fizzie> Oh, right, sed and &.
00:29:04 <fizzie> `revert
00:29:12 <HackEgo> rm: cannot remove `/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/env/.hg/store/data/canary.orig': Is a directory \ Done.
00:30:15 <fizzie> Oh, and that reverted a wrong thing. Bah. I'll clean it up in a query.
00:34:46 <fizzie> `mkx bah humbug
00:34:46 <HackEgo> usage: /hackenv/bin/mk file//contents
00:34:59 <fizzie> Yeah, the command name in the usage is still wrong, but at least it's better than nothing.
00:35:23 <fizzie> Can't really tell whether the original command was mk or mkx since mkx just calls mk.
00:36:22 <fizzie> Although...
00:36:26 <fizzie> `` sed -i -e 's|$0|"mk[x]"|' bin/mk
00:36:28 <HackEgo> No output.
00:36:31 <fizzie> `mkx whatever
00:36:32 <HackEgo> usage: mk[x] file//contents
00:36:35 <fizzie> Good enough.
00:38:19 <fizzie> I really wonder what made // the "standard" HackEgo separator.
00:42:45 <Taneb> Hmm
00:42:48 <Taneb> I'm still hungry
00:50:44 <zzo38> Now I have made JSZM version 2 and also the example front-end which is using Node.js
00:52:52 <oerjan> fizzie: well it started as / for `slashlearn that was then improved to work with subdirectory targets
00:53:21 <oerjan> because // isn't meaningful in a path
00:54:10 <oerjan> `culprits bin/slashlearn
00:54:13 <HackEgo> shachaf shachaf shachaf int-e tswett tswett shachaf shachaf shachaf shachaf
00:54:39 <oerjan> and shachaf presumably chose / for that because it cannot be in a file name.
00:56:38 <oerjan> hmph, there should be a command like mkdir -p which creates a file instead.
00:57:00 <oerjan> it would be easier than having to separate out the directory first
00:57:26 * oerjan now expects someone to tell what it is
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01:00:53 <oerjan> `cat bin/mk
01:00:54 <HackEgo> ​[[ "$1" == ?*//* ]] || { echo usage: "mk[x]" file//contents >&2; exit 1; }; key="${1%%//*}"; value="${1#*//}"; echo "$value" > "$key" && echo "$key"
01:02:30 <Phantom_Hoover> did homestuck end yet
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01:08:31 <oerjan> `cat bin/slashlearn
01:08:32 <HackEgo> sep="/"; [[ "$0" == *//* ]] && sep="//"; [[ "$1" == ?*"$sep"* ]] || exit 1; key="$(echo "${1%%$sep*}" | lowercase)"; value="${1#*$sep}"; echo "$value" > "wisdom/$key" && echo "Learned «$key»"
01:10:41 <zzo38> Now my "parse-rdf" JavaScript program is include "parse" and "gparse" functions which parse, as well as a Graph object including the methods: add, listNodes, enumerate, export, skolemize, findPredicate, findObject, findProperty, delete, clone, cloneDistinct. In addition the graph has own properties, ones named by string for URI nodes and ones named by symbol for blanknodes.
01:11:25 <zzo38> Each one is object with property named by URI of predicates, which is the array of the objects. URI and blanknodes is string/symbol values, while literals use the Literal object.
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01:11:32 <zzo38> Is ther other stuff you expect I should add too?
01:12:28 <oerjan> `mkx bin/echo-p echo "$1"; [[ "$1" == */* ]] && mkdir -p "${1%/*}" 2>/dev/null
01:12:29 <HackEgo> usage: mk[x] file//contents
01:12:37 <oerjan> `mkx bin/echo-p//echo "$1"; [[ "$1" == */* ]] && mkdir -p "${1%/*}" 2>/dev/null
01:12:40 <HackEgo> bin/echo-p
01:12:50 <oerjan> `echo-p just/a/test
01:12:51 <HackEgo> just/a/test
01:13:01 <oerjan> `find just
01:13:02 <HackEgo> just \ just/a
01:13:13 <oerjan> `` rm -r just
01:13:14 <HackEgo> No output.
01:13:23 <oerjan> `echo-p hello
01:13:24 <HackEgo> hello
01:13:30 <oerjan> `echo-p /fnord
01:13:31 <HackEgo> ​/fnord
01:13:50 <oerjan> `ls /fnord
01:13:51 <HackEgo> ls: cannot access /fnord: No such file or directory
01:13:55 <oerjan> `ls hello
01:13:56 <HackEgo> ls: cannot access hello: No such file or directory
01:14:13 <oerjan> `cat bin/slashlearn
01:14:13 <HackEgo> sep="/"; [[ "$0" == *//* ]] && sep="//"; [[ "$1" == ?*"$sep"* ]] || exit 1; key="$(echo "${1%%$sep*}" | lowercase)"; value="${1#*$sep}"; echo "$value" > "wisdom/$key" && echo "Learned «$key»"
01:15:08 <shachaf> fizzie: What would you use for a separator?
01:15:27 <oerjan> `` sed -i 's!wisdom/.*"!$(echo-p "wisdom/$key")"!' bin/slashlearn
01:15:29 <HackEgo> No output.
01:15:33 <oerjan> `cat bin/slashlearn
01:15:34 <HackEgo> sep="/"; [[ "$0" == *//* ]] && sep="//"; [[ "$1" == ?*"$sep"* ]] || exit 1; key="$(echo "${1%%$sep*}" | lowercase)"; value="${1#*$sep}"; echo "$value" > "$(echo-p "wisdom/$key")"
01:15:40 <oerjan> eek
01:15:41 <oerjan> `revert
01:15:43 <HackEgo> rm: cannot remove `/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/env/.hg/store/data/canary.orig': Is a directory \ Done.
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01:16:08 <oerjan> `` sed -i 's!wisdom/[^"]*"!$(echo-p "wisdom/$key")"!' bin/slashlearn
01:16:11 <HackEgo> No output.
01:16:14 <oerjan> `cat bin/slashlearn
01:16:15 <shachaf> `` dirname "a/b/c"
01:16:15 <HackEgo> sep="/"; [[ "$0" == *//* ]] && sep="//"; [[ "$1" == ?*"$sep"* ]] || exit 1; key="$(echo "${1%%$sep*}" | lowercase)"; value="${1#*$sep}"; echo "$value" > "$(echo-p "wisdom/$key")" && echo "Learned «$key»"
01:16:16 <HackEgo> a/b
01:16:24 <shachaf> oerjan: dth?
01:16:48 <oerjan> shachaf: no, not just printing it
01:16:55 <oerjan> echo-p also creates the path to it
01:17:12 <shachaf> Yes, but you could just mkdir -p "$(dirname "$1")"
01:17:20 <shachaf> `` dirname a
01:17:21 <HackEgo> ​.
01:17:30 <shachaf> `` dirname /a/b
01:17:30 <HackEgo> ​/a
01:17:36 <oerjan> shachaf: i want something that can be just substituted around a filename
01:17:49 <oerjan> `le/rn is/this/working//maybe.
01:17:51 <HackEgo> Learned «is»
01:17:55 <oerjan> oops
01:18:03 <shachaf> I'm talking about the implementation of echo-p. But either way.
01:18:13 <oerjan> oh.
01:18:25 <oerjan> `forget is
01:18:28 <HackEgo> Forget what?
01:18:33 <shachaf> HackEgo: is
01:18:58 <shachaf> forget should also rmdir -p
01:19:06 <oerjan> huh
01:19:18 <oerjan> `cat bin/echo-p
01:19:19 <HackEgo> echo "$1"; [[ "$1" == */* ]] && mkdir -p "${1%/*}" 2>/dev/null
01:19:43 <shachaf> oerjan: ?
01:19:49 <shachaf> Did you mean to lee/rn?
01:19:52 <shachaf> le//rn
01:20:02 <oerjan> `mkx echo-p//echo "$1"; mkdir -p "$(dirname "$1")" 2>/dev/null
01:20:05 <HackEgo> echo-p
01:20:12 <oerjan> `echo-p /hm
01:20:13 <HackEgo> ​/hm
01:20:35 <oerjan> `le//rn is/this/working//maybe.
01:20:37 <HackEgo> Learned «is/this/working»
01:20:44 <oerjan> `? is/this/working
01:20:45 <HackEgo> maybe.
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01:20:51 <oerjan> success!
01:21:04 <oerjan> `rm -r wisdom/is
01:21:05 <HackEgo> rm: invalid option -- ' ' \ Try `rm --help' for more information.
01:21:11 <oerjan> `` rm -r wisdom/is
01:21:13 <HackEgo> No output.
01:21:16 <MDude> http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=medium&illust_id=54958830
01:21:21 <oerjan> `cat bin/mk
01:21:22 <HackEgo> ​[[ "$1" == ?*//* ]] || { echo usage: "mk[x]" file//contents >&2; exit 1; }; key="${1%%//*}"; value="${1#*//}"; echo "$value" > "$key" && echo "$key"
01:22:51 <oerjan> `` sed -i 's/> "...."/> "$(echo-p "$key")"/' bin/mk
01:22:53 <HackEgo> No output.
01:22:56 <oerjan> `cat bin/mk
01:22:57 <HackEgo> ​[[ "$1" == ?*//* ]] || { echo usage: "mk[x]" file//contents >&2; exit 1; }; key="${1%%//*}"; value="${1#*//}"; echo "$value" > "$(echo-p "$key")" && echo "$key"
01:23:23 <oerjan> `mk this/changes/everything//oh, really?
01:23:26 <HackEgo> this/changes/everything
01:23:35 <oerjan> `cat this/changes/everything
01:23:36 <HackEgo> oh, really?
01:23:49 <oerjan> `ls this
01:23:50 <HackEgo> changes
01:23:55 <oerjan> `` rm -r this
01:23:57 <HackEgo> No output.
01:24:04 <oerjan> `mkx this/changes/everything//oh, really?
01:24:07 <HackEgo> this/changes/everything
01:24:20 <oerjan> `./this/changes/everything
01:24:21 <HackEgo> ​/hackenv/this/changes/everything: line 1: oh,: command not found
01:24:25 <oerjan> `` rm -r this
01:24:27 <HackEgo> No output.
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01:26:19 <fizzie> shachaf: I'm partial to |, but it's admittedly kind of overly shell-metacharacteristic.
01:26:40 <fizzie> Alternatively, the :.
01:26:42 <hppavilion[1]> oerjan: dafuq are you doing?
01:26:58 <hppavilion[1]> fizzie: Partial to | over what?
01:27:02 <fizzie> hppavilion[1]: Over //.
01:27:11 <hppavilion[1]> fizzie: And what does // do exactly?
01:27:23 <fizzie> It's the separator for `mk, `mkx, and I think others as well.
01:27:27 <hppavilion[1]> Ah
01:29:17 <oerjan> hppavilion[1]: i'm improving `le//rn and `mk[x] to create subdirectories automatically.
01:29:25 <hppavilion[1]> oerjan: Ah
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01:30:01 <oerjan> `cat bin/forget
01:30:02 <HackEgo> ​#!/bin/sh \ rm "wisdom/$(echo "$1" | tr A-Z a-z)" \ echo "Forget what?"
01:31:11 <oerjan> `cat bin/rm-p
01:31:12 <HackEgo> cat: bin/rm-p: No such file or directory
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01:31:52 <ais523> rm doesn't have a -p, although rmdir does
01:31:52 <hppavilion[1]> Yes!
01:31:59 <hppavilion[1]> I got it to join a channel for a split second!
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01:32:21 <\oren\> good jorb
01:32:26 <oerjan> `mkx bin/rm-p//rm "$1"; rmdir -p "$(dirname "$1")"
01:32:28 <HackEgo> bin/rm-p
01:32:37 <ais523> silly idea: to make a file with -p, do a mkdir -p then a rmdir (then a touch/truncate); to delete a file with -p, do a rm then a mkdir then a rmdir -p
01:32:38 <hppavilion[1]> Dammit.
01:32:38 <oerjan> ais523: which is why i'm adding it
01:32:42 <hppavilion[1]> The topic crashed it.
01:32:57 <ais523> hppavilion[1]: riscy!
01:33:08 <hppavilion[1]> ffuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
01:33:12 <oerjan> `mk test/ing/ho//yo!
01:33:14 <HackEgo> test/ing/ho
01:33:23 <oerjan> `cat test/ing/ho
01:33:24 <HackEgo> yo!
01:33:30 <hppavilion[1]> ais523: Yes, I'm proud of that joke
01:33:32 <oerjan> `rm-r test/ing/ho
01:33:33 <HackEgo> ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: rm-r: not found
01:33:39 <oerjan> oops
01:33:43 <oerjan> `rm-p test/ing/ho
01:33:45 <HackEgo> No output.
01:33:49 <oerjan> `ls test
01:33:49 <HackEgo> ls: cannot access test: No such file or directory
01:34:14 <oerjan> `` sed -i 's/rm/rm-p/' bin/forget
01:34:16 <HackEgo> No output.
01:34:47 <oerjan> `le//rn a/very/deep/wisdom//but not very long-lasting
01:34:48 <HackEgo> ​/hackenv/le//rn: line 1: wisdom/a/very/deep/wisdom: Not a directory
01:35:01 <oerjan> oops
01:35:07 <oerjan> what happened there
01:35:34 <oerjan> `` ls wisdom/a
01:35:35 <HackEgo> wisdom/a
01:35:39 <oerjan> `` ls wisdom/a/very
01:35:40 <HackEgo> ls: cannot access wisdom/a/very: Not a directory
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01:36:04 <oerjan> oh of course
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01:36:17 <oerjan> `le//rn very/deep/wisdom//but not very long-lasting
01:36:20 <HackEgo> Learned «very/deep/wisdom»
01:36:28 <oerjan> `? very/deep/wisdom
01:36:29 <HackEgo> but not very long-lasting
01:36:35 <shachaf> fizzie: // has the advantage that it doesn't appear in any canonical UNIX file path.
01:36:35 <oerjan> `forget very/deep/wisdom
01:36:38 <HackEgo> rmdir: failed to remove directory `wisdom': Directory not empty \ Forget what?
01:36:42 <oerjan> gah
01:36:48 <oerjan> `cat bin/forget
01:36:49 <HackEgo> ​#!/bin/sh \ rm-p "wisdom/$(echo "$1" | tr A-Z a-z)" \ echo "Forget what?"
01:37:09 <oerjan> `cat bin/rm-p
01:37:10 <HackEgo> rm "$1"; rmdir -p "$(dirname "$1")"
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01:37:29 <oerjan> `ls wisdom/very/deep/wisdom
01:37:30 <HackEgo> ls: cannot access wisdom/very/deep/wisdom: No such file or directory
01:37:34 <oerjan> `ls wisdom/very/deep
01:37:35 <HackEgo> ls: cannot access wisdom/very/deep: No such file or directory
01:37:38 <oerjan> `ls wisdom/very
01:37:38 <HackEgo> ls: cannot access wisdom/very: No such file or directory
01:37:43 <\oren\> `msg
01:37:43 <HackEgo> ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: msg: not found
01:37:45 <oerjan> oh hm
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01:38:01 <oerjan> i think that got an error because of HackEgo's do-everything-twice mechanism
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01:38:25 <oerjan> `cat bin/rm-p
01:38:26 <HackEgo> rm "$1"; rmdir -p "$(dirname "$1")"
01:38:28 <hppavilion[1]> I'll... move to #bots
01:38:43 <adu> hppavilion[1]!
01:38:48 <hppavilion[1]> adu!
01:38:53 <\oren\> isn't this channel botty?
01:39:00 <oerjan> `` sed -i 's!$! 2>/dev/null!' bin/rm-p
01:39:01 <hppavilion[1]> \oren\: Yes, but I haven't made it work yet
01:39:02 <HackEgo> No output.
01:39:06 <adu> \oren\: bot-y?
01:39:12 <oerjan> `le//rn very/deep/wisdom//but not very long-lasting
01:39:15 <HackEgo> Learned «very/deep/wisdom»
01:39:16 <hppavilion[1]> So it's joining in and leaving constantly
01:39:20 <oerjan> `forget very/deep/wisdom
01:39:23 <HackEgo> Forget what?
01:39:27 <adu> I like deep wisdom
01:39:46 * adu can haz dewp wisdom?
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01:39:57 <int-e> ⊥-y
01:40:07 <adu> int-e: bottom-y?
01:40:08 <hppavilion[1]> Ugh
01:40:15 <hppavilion[1]> Whoops, wrong channel to complain to
01:40:19 <adu> hppavilion[1]: don't leave
01:40:34 <adu> hppavilion[1]: stop complaining to other channelz!
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01:43:33 <hppavilion[1]> adu: xD
01:44:50 <oerjan> oh wait what happened was that rmdir -p complained about wisdom/ at the top.
01:45:53 <oerjan> there's an option to disable that, which is ridiculously verbose.
01:46:09 <oerjan> so i think 2>/dev/null will do.
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01:47:17 <hppavilion[1]> I can't think of a good name for the bot xD
01:47:50 <oerjan> hpgazebot
01:48:03 <hppavilion[1]> oerjan: WalrusMan?
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01:48:13 <oerjan> wat
01:49:36 <hppavilion[1]> oerjan: I WalBot?
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01:50:01 <hppavilion[1]> adu: What should the bot do?
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01:50:24 <adu> hppavilion[1]: it should fortell the future
01:50:33 <hppavilion[1]> adu: Yes, duh, and what else?
01:50:37 <hppavilion[1]> What interesting things should it do?
01:50:42 <oerjan> `brain what should the bot do?
01:50:43 <HackEgo> ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: brain: not found
01:50:46 <oerjan> @brain what should the bot do?
01:50:46 <lambdabot> Pinky, I am in considerable pain.
01:50:54 <adu> also, it should recommend slashdot articles
01:51:18 <oerjan> i always have the feeling that @brain and @pinky are reversed
01:51:39 <oerjan> because your question isn't spoken by the name in front
01:51:49 <adu> like (Q) FancyBot: how much is my current VerizonFios bill? (A) I don't know, but you might like this article http://slashdot.org/.......
01:52:20 <hppavilion[1]> The current best feature I have is a messaging system based on a deque
01:52:54 <oerjan> hm or wait it works with that new-fangled @ abomination
01:54:02 <hppavilion[1]> oerjan: As in you enqueue a message and somebody else dequeues it
01:54:07 <hppavilion[1]> At a later date
01:54:28 <hppavilion[1]> And when the message is dequeued, it gets sent to the back of the lien
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01:58:59 <zgrep> A RISCy move! :D
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02:17:19 <hppavilion[1]> Should I add support for a stack-based language to the bot perhaps?
02:17:59 <hppavilion[1]> `` cat bin/evil
02:18:00 <HackEgo> cat "$(find evil -type f | shuf -n1)" | tr '[:lower:]' '[:upper:]'
02:18:22 <hppavilion[1]> We need a `mourn command. Should I put one in the bot?
02:24:01 <int-e> `? the bot
02:24:02 <HackEgo> the bot? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
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03:00:17 <hppavilion[1]> Oh, whoops
03:00:26 <hppavilion[1]> fungot I was still on this chan
03:00:26 <fungot> hppavilion[1]: how would that work with secondary storage? the hdd is just one cad i liked
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04:01:38 <\oren\> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAj0CcT9b2g
04:06:09 <zgrep> fungot: Since when do you care about secondary storage?
04:06:09 <fungot> zgrep: where i realize the grand pattern of parsing.
04:06:22 <zgrep> fungot: Oh, I see. You care about storage because you care about parsing data.
04:06:22 <fungot> zgrep: i dunno. generating machine code yourself is a lot
04:06:42 <zgrep> fungot: So you're parsing machine code? Or are you generating machine code by feeding stuff backwards to a parser?
04:06:42 <fungot> zgrep: now i don't understand them, plus razor-x plays slashem. hehe. :)
04:06:50 <zgrep> fungot: If only you made sense.
04:06:51 <fungot> zgrep: it is a collisions of interests clearly i don't understand as well as
04:06:57 <zgrep> Indeed, you don't.
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04:21:13 <hppavilion[1]> RISC 15, %aux, %flags
04:23:32 <\oren\> I've made a more compact allhars.htm
04:23:34 <\oren\> http://www.orenwatson.be/allchars.htm
04:26:54 <zgrep> \oren\: Your font is actually readable when smaller...
04:27:40 <\oren\> how muh smaller?
04:27:56 <zgrep> No clue. I just hit cmd+- a few times.
04:28:05 <\oren\> native size should be 12 pt on win, 16 pt on mac
04:28:13 <zgrep> Also, your Cyrillic 'у' seems a bit... low.
04:28:40 <zgrep> All the other letters around it are nice and cut off at a certain height. у stands out.
04:28:47 <zgrep> Well, stands down.
04:29:08 <\oren\> what? I could have sworn I fixed that already
04:29:13 <\oren\> argh
04:30:11 <zgrep> On my retina screen, your font becomes pixelated at size 16, I think. I say that because I can see blocky pixel parts on certain letters.
04:30:53 <\oren\> oh, on retina, native size would be 8 pt
04:31:03 <zgrep> That's tiny. Far too tiny.
04:31:40 <\oren\> try halfway then? at 12 pt it should only be a little blurry
04:32:03 <\oren\> it would be at 3/2 pixel scale
04:32:25 <zgrep> My eyes aren't bleeding at 12pt, so it's usable, more or less.
04:32:56 <zgrep> It looks nicer if you make the line height bigger than the font size (at least, for your website, in my opinion).
04:33:27 <zgrep> No chance there'll be a neoletters vector edition, will there? :P
04:33:35 <\oren\> it's a vector now?
04:33:45 <zgrep> Oh, less blocky, then. I mean.
04:33:52 <zgrep> Smoother.
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04:34:10 <\oren\> at some point I might stort making double or quadruple size version
04:34:29 <\oren\> so that would end up being smoother
04:34:42 <zgrep> Not exactly the same thing, but... hm...
04:35:35 <zgrep> Wow. That's blocky... https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/rUlsnPhz/blocky.png
04:37:14 <\oren\> yup
04:39:14 <zgrep> Unfortunately it's too blocky for my daily use, but it seems like a pretty neat font. I wonder what neolettersmooth would look like... :P
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04:40:11 <\oren\> I have a computer-smoothed version but it looks like a halloween font
04:40:14 <\oren\> http://www.orenwatson.be/fontdemowtf.htm
04:41:07 <\oren\> http://www.orenwatson.be/neolettersauto.ttf
04:42:45 <\oren\> and it's very glichy with the more intricate characters
04:47:13 <\oren\> also there are... problems with ^ and ~ in particular, which look nothing like they should
04:47:41 <\oren\> maybe if I smoothed a larger version
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04:51:52 <\oren\> I have a bad enought monitor and good enough eyes (well, my left eye is good enough) that I can see the individual pixels at normal distance anyway, so everyhting is pixelated
04:52:25 <\oren\> my right eye is kinda blurry though
04:54:58 <\oren\> why is there such inadequate documentation on the TTF format?
04:56:14 <\oren\> I'd like to generate the ttf with my own faster program instead of fontforge
05:05:52 <zzo38> There are also other font format, you can therefore later to make your program to be able to output to multiple format too
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06:31:40 <myname> what
06:33:47 <hppavilion[1]> Are there any non-dry blog posts or series along the lines of "Let's make an instruction set architecture"
06:33:57 <hppavilion[1]> myname: Nothing.
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06:48:19 <hppavilion[1]> I just found out what "NO LOL" means in the #python topic
06:53:28 <Elronnd> I like how /s
06:54:33 <Elronnd> I like how github has come to be almost synonymous with git
06:54:46 <myname> has it?
06:54:54 <myname> i don't think so
06:54:58 <Elronnd> if you look up, say, "how to do x in git," the first answer is almost always a github answer
06:55:28 <myname> maybe there is a group like these people having internet = browser = facebook
06:55:41 <Elronnd> okay, true
06:55:53 <Elronnd> internet = browser is actually a lot of people
06:56:35 * izabera just woke up and found you guys have been adding a factoid about me and talked about my gender
06:57:02 <Elronnd> they did?
06:57:06 <Elronnd> `?izabera
06:57:19 <HackEgo> ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: ?izabera: not found
06:57:20 <Elronnd> `? izabera
06:57:22 <HackEgo> izabera is a tachyherpetologist. They are probably implemented in bash.
06:57:43 <izabera> no idea what that even means but it doesn't sound good
06:57:44 <Elronnd> zsh is more feature-filled than bash
06:57:54 <Elronnd> `learn izabera izabera is a tachyherpetologist. They are probably implemented in zsh
06:57:57 <HackEgo> Learned 'izabera': izabera izabera is a tachyherpetologist. They are probably implemented in zsh
06:58:03 <Elronnd> `?izabera
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06:58:07 <Elronnd> `? izabera
06:58:08 <HackEgo> izabera izabera is a tachyherpetologist. They are probably implemented in zsh
06:58:22 <Elronnd> `learn izabera is a tachyherpetologist. They are probably implemented in zsh
06:58:24 <HackEgo> Learned 'izabera': izabera is a tachyherpetologist. They are probably implemented in zsh
06:58:25 <Elronnd> `learn izabera is a tachyherpetologist. They are probably implemented in zsh.
06:58:27 <HackEgo> Learned 'izabera': izabera is a tachyherpetologist. They are probably implemented in zsh.
06:58:32 <Elronnd> there we go
06:58:44 <izabera> i don't use zsh
06:58:53 <izabera> can't use it decently
06:59:11 <Elronnd> Suffice to say that zsh is much more feature-filled than bash and the joke makes more sense this way
06:59:37 <izabera> i don't necessarily agree with that
07:00:04 <Elronnd> you don't like it, change your factoid
07:01:52 <myname> don't! factoids should (unless vandalised) be dited by others imho
07:02:32 <hppavilion[1]> Factoids should be edited by others. TTOMWOG.
07:02:45 <hppavilion[1]> ("`tis the objectively moral Word of God")
07:03:06 <hppavilion[1]> If I want to make an assembler to a OISC
07:03:11 <hppavilion[1]> What OISC should I use?
07:03:35 <hppavilion[1]> (I probably won't pure OISC; I'll likely include PUTC and GETC as well)
07:04:54 <hppavilion[1]> `? word of god
07:04:56 <HackEgo> word of god? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
07:05:10 <hppavilion[1]> `? wisdome
07:05:12 <HackEgo> The Wisdome is the place where all of HackBot's wisdom is stored and forced to fight to the death for the freedom of being printed out when you type `wisdom.
07:06:10 <myname> obviously, i am the twin of perl
07:06:28 <Elronnd> `? myname
07:06:29 <HackEgo> myname is not your name. You don't know what they are doing. Or you are doing. Or am I? His evil twin brother is Perl.
07:07:20 <Elronnd> `learn myname is not your name. You don't know what they are doing. Or you are doing. Or am I? He is Perl's evil twin brother.
07:07:23 <HackEgo> Learned 'myname': myname is not your name. You don't know what they are doing. Or you are doing. Or am I? He is Perl's evil twin brother.
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07:11:05 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Malbolge]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46375&oldid=44221 * Keymaker * (+108) Linked the truth-machine in sample programs. (Nice work, by the way!)
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07:19:27 <hppavilion[1]> fungot: What do you think of OISCs?
07:19:27 <fungot> hppavilion[1]: hi 0k! x 1) to get a comparison. :) most of the things that upsets me most is the fact that there are two
07:20:08 <hppavilion[1]> fungot: Yes, I agree, it's kind of false advertising to call an ISA a OISC if it has two instructions.
07:20:09 <fungot> hppavilion[1]: it is probably
07:20:14 <hppavilion[1]> fungot: Yep
07:20:14 <fungot> hppavilion[1]: fnord/ fnord/ fnord/ fnord fnord fnord. joidenkin paavin fnord mukaan hän oli fnord ja fnord.
07:20:57 <hppavilion[1]> fungot: That's, like, 8 instructions. How does fnordVM even get away with that!?
07:20:57 <fungot> hppavilion[1]: where are you studying? ( this time defined with define-macro). after that it reads right to left
07:21:17 <hppavilion[1]> OH M GOD FUNGOT JUST MATCHED BRACKETS
07:21:59 <hppavilion[1]> xD
07:22:16 <hppavilion[1]> fungot: I'm studying at TGRU. I'm taking Commie Programming.
07:22:47 <hppavilion[1]> fungot?
07:23:04 <hppavilion[1]> I think I offended fungot.
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07:24:59 <myname> fnord
07:25:16 <hppavilion[1]> I want to make an IRC client that replaces random words with "fnord"
07:29:19 <hppavilion[1]> Maybe there should be an official #esoteric IRC client that does confusing things...
07:29:27 <myname> no
07:29:29 <hppavilion[1]> Like trade nicknames at random with people using the smae client
07:29:35 <hppavilion[1]> myname: ?
07:29:48 <hppavilion[1]> Without INFORMING the server, of course. Or the user.
07:29:50 <myname> that'd make communication hard
07:30:03 <hppavilion[1]> myname: Exactly.
07:30:11 <hppavilion[1]> It wouldn't, you know, be used normally
07:30:22 <hppavilion[1]> But when we're feeling like confusing people, it'd be glorious
07:30:40 <myname> i don't like confusing myself
07:30:53 <hppavilion[1]> myname: THEN GET THE HELL OFF THIS CHANNEL
07:30:54 <hppavilion[1]> xD
07:31:04 <hppavilion[1]> Kidding, kidding
07:31:56 <zzo38> If you like to change your name every day in order to confuse everyone including yourself, then you can do it by yourself even if not done by computer
07:32:05 <hppavilion[1]> True
07:32:21 <hppavilion[1]> I want to, as an easter egg, add the following instructions to ELK: TFM, AOTC, ROTS, ANH, ESB, ROTJ, and TFA
07:32:34 <zzo38> Which is meaning what?
07:32:59 <hppavilion[1]> zzo38: Left as an exercise for the reader
07:33:01 <hppavilion[1]> It should be easy
07:33:09 <hppavilion[1]> Though the capitalization is a bit off
07:33:24 <zzo38> O, it is undocumented
07:33:53 <hppavilion[1]> zzo38: Wait, were you asking what the instructions do?
07:34:02 <zzo38> Yes
07:34:15 <hppavilion[1]> zzo38: So you got the easter egg?
07:34:50 <zzo38> I don't know?
07:37:04 <hppavilion[1]> zzo38: It's the star wars movies
07:37:11 <hppavilion[1]> zzo38: Not sure what they'll do yet
07:40:05 <izabera> 1rd
07:40:06 <izabera> 2st
07:40:08 <izabera> 3nd
07:41:09 <myname> i can identify one of them
07:41:23 <myname> never watched these, though
07:42:43 <hppavilion[1]> myname: Wut.
07:43:19 <hppavilion[1]> izabera: Fird, secost, thirnd?
07:43:26 <hppavilion[1]> *seconst
07:44:25 <myname> secost is more accurate, imo
07:44:26 <zzo38> If I make Pokemon battle game server on Node.js then will you play this game too? (You don't need Node.js to play the game any telnet client would do; only for whoever is going to run the server would need Node.js installed, although internet is not needed if you are doing by local network)
07:44:58 <myname> zzo38: what are the advantages to pokemon netbattle?
07:45:08 <hppavilion[1]> myname: I guess it is
07:45:49 <zzo38> myname: I can put in many more options to configure the rules of game too
07:47:16 <myname> have you ever played netbattle?
07:47:51 <zzo38> No but can you telnet to it and can you customize *all* of the rules?
07:48:28 <myname> well, define "costumizing all the rules"
07:48:32 <zzo38> And can you use on local network without internet
07:49:00 <myname> i am not sure if i want to be able to make special attack count over 9000 times
07:49:25 <myname> you should be as close to the original games as possible, i think
07:49:29 <zzo38> myname: I mean including to define rental, random rental, draft, doubling cube, money, time controls, item use, ban lists, and so on
07:49:32 <myname> at least for actual battling
07:49:46 <zzo38> The default setting would be like the original game though
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07:50:00 <myname> rental for what?
07:50:30 <zzo38> And then you can customize it from there. But all player must agree the rules to use, and therefore, to agree what game to play too
07:51:37 <myname> also: can't wait for pokemon go
07:51:46 <zzo38> myname: Rental that the players must select from the group of pokemons rather than define it by themself
07:52:05 <zzo38> (The option to define it by yourself would also be available though, depending what rule settings have been defined)
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07:53:42 <zzo38> Another rule option that could be defined is what happens when you run out of time: you are forced to pass, or you lose the game, or a random valid command is selected.
07:55:25 <zzo38> Another rule option can be the PP multiplier, which is five by default but can be set to a higher or lower number, if set to zero then each attack can be used only once
07:57:19 <zzo38> And then, to configure type matrix, STAB multiplier, and so on; note even the official games there are many different version, so the rule can be define and make it to be like the older version too, by presets, and then optionally you can adjust it from there
08:04:09 <myname> i'm not into that, i just know that the battling system of tje first generation was pretty broken
08:08:10 <zzo38> What kind of time controls do you want to use? Shot clock, chess clock, master clock, grace time, increment time, maximum time, hourglass style, byo-yomi, etc?
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08:24:32 <b_jonas> "<zzo38> Another rule option that could be defined is what happens when you run out of time: you are forced to pass, or you lose the game, or a random valid command is selected." -- or you are forced to go all in (in poker)
08:26:51 <zzo38> Yes, in game of poker that would work
08:28:34 <zzo38> If the time control is per deal, then it can work well to be all in since then you won't do anything else until the deal is finished
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08:34:24 <mroman> fnardel
08:35:50 <izabera> do you know a tool that can format text in a terminal?
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08:36:07 <izabera> i'm looking for justification and word splitting
08:36:25 <izabera> tried fmt and fold, neither does justification
08:36:53 <izabera> tried par, it's trying to be too smart and producing stupid errors
08:37:31 <zzo38> Maybe troff might?
08:38:37 <izabera> i don't know how to use it
08:38:56 <izabera> isn't there some autoformatter or something? :\
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08:48:01 <izabera> examples of par doing it wrong:
08:48:03 <izabera> Please send FSF & GNU inquiries to <gnu@gnu.org>. There are also other ways to contact the FSF.
08:48:04 <izabera> Please send broken links and other corrections or suggestions to <webmasters@gnu.org>.
08:48:12 <izabera> ^ these two lines are formatted like this:
08:48:18 <izabera> Please send FSF & GNU inquiries to <gnu@gnu.org>. There are also other .
08:48:20 <izabera> Please send ways to contact the FSF broken links and other corrections .
08:48:22 <izabera> Please send or suggestions to <webmasters@gnu.org> .
08:48:28 <izabera> that's terrible
08:48:44 <myname> wat
09:02:05 <izabera> tried pr and it's totally ignoring the width argument
09:05:24 <b_jonas> izabera: I wrote a custom one to generate http://www.perlmonks.com/?node_id=877696 but it has a serious bug
09:05:44 <b_jonas> as a result, it doesn't handle short paragraphs correctly
09:08:24 <b_jonas> The bug is fixable though.
09:08:32 <izabera> thanks, let me try
09:08:52 <b_jonas> Also, the built-in optimization function is deliberately screwed for the particular goals I needed for that obfu to work.
09:09:02 <b_jonas> s/optimization function/goal function/
09:09:51 <b_jonas> I think it even had a continuous weight parameter I could vary between looking nice and the obfu working well.
09:10:08 <b_jonas> Then I changed it to the least nice I could make that didn't look too ugly to me.
09:10:17 <b_jonas> I also varied the column width of course.
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09:37:53 <b_jonas> `? stack
09:37:57 <HackEgo> stack? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
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10:22:24 <mroman> A stack is just an array with a cell pointer .
10:26:40 <fizzie> A stack is just a deque with a cork in one end.
10:28:11 <b_jonas> a stack is half the way to Turing-completeness
10:43:40 <izabera> google really improved v8 recently https://www.campbells.com/v8/
11:03:18 <mroman> that websites displays horribly incorrectly
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11:49:25 <boily> `wisdom
11:49:44 <HackEgo> category-helpdesk/category-helpdesk is a helpdesk with identity and composition. This channel isn't it.
11:52:22 <boily> `wisdom
11:52:24 <HackEgo> herbalist/An herbalist is a list of herbas.
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13:25:11 <mroman> hu fascinating
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13:25:34 <mroman> They can insert ads into sports broadcasting
13:25:45 <mroman> on the side walls for example
13:26:01 <mroman> I thought those side walls just had a poster of the ad
13:26:23 <mroman> but it may as well be blank and the ad inserted electronically while broadcasting
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13:41:43 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * CBenni * New user account
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13:43:26 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[POGAACK]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46376&oldid=43730 * CBenni * (-93) Removed dead link that will not be valid ever again.
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13:51:37 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[DNA-Sharp]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46377&oldid=43221 * CBenni * (+56) /* External resources */
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14:34:16 <mroman> http://collabedit.com/qjb49
14:34:41 <mroman> let's try if this works well real-time
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14:36:53 <mroman> I wish github had a feature like this.
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14:39:43 <Taneb> mroman: what's this?
14:40:20 <Taneb> I mean, what is the goal of this collab
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14:40:45 <izabera> and who is bitchface?
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14:45:14 <Taneb> Who is 34-25-54-55 for that matter
14:45:18 <Taneb> I presume iza is you, izabera
14:45:33 <izabera> no i'm not
14:45:37 <izabera> i'm a ninja
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14:48:17 <Taneb> I'll believe you
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14:49:48 <mroman> well seems to work fine
14:49:54 <mroman> my cursor doesn't jump around when others edit stuff
14:49:59 <mroman> unless you edit the same line
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14:53:18 <MDude> Huh http://esolangs.org/wiki/Tome
14:53:49 <MDude> I think it might be good to have a categorey on Englishoids, or perhaps just verbose-command languages.
15:15:55 <MDude> So I guess someone is implementing BASIC in define macros?
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15:20:01 <mroman> hm
15:20:03 <mroman> can you do
15:20:10 <mroman> probably not
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15:22:32 <mroman> hm you can
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18:35:00 <hppavilion[1]> Hi
18:35:22 <izabera> hippavilion[1]
18:37:19 <hppavilion[1]> hizabera
18:37:41 <hppavilion[1]> We should make our own LISP- a practical, but still esoteric, programming language for the masses
19:01:40 <zzo38> One way to make ban list in Pokemon battle game could be, the rule setting has a 16-bit number and each pokemon has a 16-bit tier number, you must make the bitwise AND, and then the result need to be in range 1 to 255 in order to be acceptable
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19:36:22 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Talk:Zero Instruction Set Computer]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=46378 * * (+83) Created page with "shouldn't first code snippet have 6-7-8 indexes instead of 7-8-9 on the right side?"
19:38:40 <hppavilion[1]> Here's an idea I'm working on
19:38:47 <hppavilion[1]> An intentionally-bloated ASM
19:38:56 <hppavilion[1]> Filled with things that could very easily be made into macros
19:39:14 <hppavilion[1]> The goal of it is it's an exercise in minimization for others
19:41:28 <izabera> that's called c hth
19:54:39 <hppavilion[1]> izabera: Sure xD
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20:01:22 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Brainfuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46379&oldid=46370 * Rdebath * (+397) No, it shouldn't.
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20:21:09 <Vorpal> hppavilion[1], isn't that x86?
20:21:39 <Vorpal> Or if you want to take it less literally, perl
20:22:50 <hppavilion[1]> Vorpal: No, because this is intended as nothing more than an exercise
20:24:09 <Vorpal> hppavilion[1]: sure, but have you looked at x86 ASM?
20:24:46 <hppavilion[1]> Vorpal: Yes. My face melted off like the Nazis in Raiders.
20:25:22 <Vorpal> hppavilion[1]: fizzie made this: http://zem.fi/2014-04-05-opquiz
20:25:34 <hppavilion[1]> Vorpal: Yes, I heard
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20:45:11 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Brainfuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46380&oldid=46379 * Rdebath * (+1946) Hopefully this is a bit closer to reality.
20:50:25 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Brainfuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46381&oldid=46380 * Rdebath * (+32) Was slightly imprecise
21:03:11 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Brainfuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46382&oldid=46381 * Rdebath * (-176) Okay, as nobody has commented I'll *Poof* this too.
21:03:33 <izabera> why removing that?
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21:08:42 <b_jonas> `wisdom
21:09:14 <HackEgo> thirt/A thirt is for throwsing snowballs at forty things.
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22:50:28 <oerjan> <hppavilion[1]> NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOerjan <-- the natural cycle of life can be brutal, i know
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22:55:10 <oerjan> *squee* http://www.ligo.org/news/media-advisory.php
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22:57:50 <oerjan> someone should teach those people about permalinks. i couldn't find one.
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23:10:09 <oerjan> bohily. http://www.ligo.org/news/media-advisory.php
23:11:45 <boily> hellørjan. *click*
23:11:57 <boily> *impressed*!
23:12:19 <oerjan> expect either the greatest science breakthrough of the century, or the most imploded rumor mill
23:14:32 <boily> either way, the popcorn will pop and corn.
23:16:49 <oerjan> ok, i suppose the higgs boson was pretty big too.
23:17:04 <oerjan> but not necessarily bigger.
23:17:17 <boily> pretty small big.
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23:22:21 <oerjan> huh, cern has its own top-level domain.
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23:22:37 <oerjan> i guess if anyone deserved it...
23:26:42 <izabera> does it make sense to use a knuth-fisher-yates shuffle when the period of your prng is less than the amount of possible permutations?
23:27:59 <oerjan> i'm going with a hunch of "it depends"
23:28:21 <izabera> on what?
23:28:27 <oerjan> on what you need it for
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23:28:38 <izabera> shuffling things
23:28:43 <oerjan> it's probably fine for card games
23:29:53 <oerjan> it may not be fine for crypto? someone should analyze that.
23:30:07 <izabera> `` seq -s\* 52 | bc
23:30:21 <HackEgo> 80658175170943878571660636856403766975289505440883277824000000000000
23:30:37 <oerjan> > product [1..52]
23:30:39 <izabera> `` echo '16 * ((2^31) - 1)' | bc
23:30:39 <lambdabot> 80658175170943878571660636856403766975289505440883277824000000000000
23:30:40 <HackEgo> 34359738352
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23:31:00 <izabera> random(3) in glibc has a period of 16 * ((2^31) - 1)
23:31:19 <oerjan> what does shuf do?
23:31:38 <izabera> the shuf command?
23:31:45 <izabera> i don't know
23:31:49 <oerjan> hm it has a --random-source option
23:32:01 <oerjan> so you could use /dev/urandom, probably.
23:33:33 <oerjan> "By default these commands use an internal pseudorandom generator
23:33:34 <oerjan> initialized by a small amount of entropy, but can be directed to use an
23:33:35 <oerjan> external source with the '--random-source=FILE' option."
23:33:48 <oerjan> from info shuf
23:33:57 <izabera> yes but
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23:34:12 <oerjan> and /dev/urandom and /dev/random are suggested, but it's noted they may be slow.
23:34:55 <oerjan> also, that you can collect random data in a file in advance if you need repeatability.
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23:36:04 <oerjan> "'/dev/urandom' suffices for most practical uses, but applications
23:36:04 <oerjan> requiring high-value or long-term protection of private data may require
23:36:05 <oerjan> an alternate data source like '/dev/random' or '/dev/arandom'."
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23:45:35 <hppavilion[1]> So here's a language I might feel like implementing
23:46:06 <hppavilion[1]> An educational (useful!) esolang
23:46:25 <hppavilion[1]> Where, to program in it, you have to slowly build a compiler out of preprocessing
23:46:59 <hppavilion[1]> So you start with a language (not sure which one, probably going to support more than one)- traditionally a tarpit
23:47:27 <hppavilion[1]> You declare the language on the "title page" of the file under the "author" header (the language uses a book analogy, BTW)
23:49:14 <hppavilion[1]> In the first chapter, you make these headers (all of which are optional, but highly recommended): PROGN, LEX, PARSE, COMP (and maybe also LEX-LEX, LEX-PARSE, PARSE-LEX, and PARSE-PARSE, which define the syntax of the next chapter's compiler compiler)
23:50:28 <hppavilion[1]> The PROGN header executes the program provided. The LEX header creates a lexer for the next program. The PARSE header creates a grammar for the next program. The COMP header produces the rules to convert the AST (which is generated automatically) of the lexed and parsed grammar into the language at the current level
23:53:17 <hppavilion[1]> LEX is written as a series of regexes, PARSE as a series of augmented YACC-like rules, and COMP is a series of transformation rules from AST to program, using a sort of rule structure similar to a preprocessor, combined with code written in the current language to generate particular values
23:54:17 <hppavilion[1]> Also, a language that is a derivative of Text might be fun to make xD
23:54:24 <hppavilion[1]> Or that compiles to Text
23:54:54 <diginet> >not using Thue
23:57:28 <hppavilion[1]> diginet: ?
23:57:57 <diginet> Thue systems are related to unrestricted grammars in the chomsky hierarchy
23:58:02 <diginet> everything else is pleb-tier
23:58:52 <hppavilion[1]> diginet: And...? Or is this referring to something I missed while I was gone?
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