< 1459382400 799082 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoops < 1459382402 109873 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh < 1459382404 324979 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no < 1459382406 492647 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did I do < 1459382417 719565 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh < 1459382418 823501 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fix it < 1459382419 807885 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone < 1459382441 639274 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :should I unlearn that? < 1459382472 661122 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello? < 1459382481 13180 :Lilly_Goodman!~canaima@186-26-129-36.dyn.movilnet.com.ve JOIN :#esoteric < 1459382510 899881 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert < 1459382524 607135 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rm: cannot remove `/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/env/.hg/store/data/canary.orig': Is a directory \ Done. < 1459382541 949851 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? `? < 1459382542 961079 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​`? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1459382565 938357 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ` < 1459382568 731301 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​` is the prefix to greatness. < 1459382573 486220 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :phew < 1459382606 692754 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: Here's an evil game idea < 1459382633 63435 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: There are two players running identical programs psedOSes < 1459382667 237156 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: The goal is to hack your enemy to the point that they're unable to play any further, and to continuously patch your computer to block incoming attacks < 1459382678 55861 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The code is badly-written and uncommented, and the docs are pretty poor < 1459382701 173923 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a monstrosity :) < 1459382711 423084 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yo have to edit their program to do stuff? < 1459382755 16753 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: And your own program < 1459382760 921157 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :and patch your own < 1459382764 447364 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :crazy < 1459382765 570189 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: It's constrained by simulated compile time < 1459382777 515036 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :but does it have to be simulated? < 1459382792 425064 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Every line you add is an extra 5 seconds before the changes take hold) < 1459382796 762672 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :do they have access to multiple programs? < 1459382800 867072 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: It does, if we want the computers to not die < 1459382803 372859 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: How so? < 1459382810 991345 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1459382817 944276 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: What do you mean "Multiple programs"? < 1459382834 473996 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could edit one program of the other's computer, then edit another program while they're trying to patch the one you edited first < 1459382856 677290 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: I think you might be able to < 1459382859 990689 :Lilly_Goodman!~canaima@186-26-129-36.dyn.movilnet.com.ve QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1459382892 7541 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about negative data < 1459382896 608805 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: There'd be "log::pt", which is a file documenting changes. You have to refresh it every so often. < 1459382905 102032 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: Oh, absolute value < 1459382912 948304 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Removing 10 lines is just as bad as adding 10 < 1459382923 504679 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It wouldn't be line-by-line though, it'd be a sort of "AST measurer" < 1459382934 992341 :Lilly_Goodman!~canaima@186-26-129-36.dyn.movilnet.com.ve JOIN :#esoteric < 1459383025 150246 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not actually simulate the program code in a sandbox environment? < 1459383037 641715 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: It would. < 1459383045 600619 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd be fun if each program had different languages < 1459383050 124010 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: YEEEEEEEEEEEEEES. < 1459383068 212002 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: We need to get on this < 1459383082 218153 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :we could even have some esoteric ones < 1459383101 407031 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: Yes, that was a plan < 1459383104 472769 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(as easter eggs) < 1459383111 699887 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think we should call it H4X1N470R-MP < 1459383121 690854 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, hacking programming languages < 1459383133 702746 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are lose conditions? < 1459383135 799565 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: Hacking programming languages? < 1459383142 888768 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: When you are no longer able to play < 1459383153 156684 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: Probably when all user input is disabled for the client < 1459383161 189082 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the user-proper < 1459383169 572995 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure how to test for that though... < 1459383205 310568 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1459383227 717761 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: I mean, I can think of one way (recursive AST scanning), but it'd be buggy < 1459383815 300656 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :suppose a program was defined solely by stating what it cannot do < 1459383926 204729 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :then an empty program can solve the halting problem < 1459383940 880273 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or might do something elsr < 1459383961 637874 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :an empty program is allowed to compile into any program whatsoever < 1459384011 988529 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1459384117 619424 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you have some formal language for specifying program behaviour in terms of logical statements, each of which is always required to be false. < 1459384224 521886 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :a normal language would be one specifying true statements < 1459384243 787522 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :right? < 1459384312 770669 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :not exactly but < 1459384623 979362 :Lilly_Goodman!~canaima@186-26-129-36.dyn.movilnet.com.ve QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1459384651 160015 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :HELLŒRJAN. < 1459384657 429413 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1459384842 918884 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boħily < 1459384921 295311 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :/ħ/ isn't a fun sound hth < 1459385077 882305 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459385163 882914 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1459385191 940862 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: it's quantum! < 1459385240 54739 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1459385249 275315 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :talking about logical problems < 1459385325 383883 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459385369 19688 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :talking about the logical problems that don't talk about themselves < 1459385403 905164 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1459385896 688547 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459386162 688748 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1459386550 944597 :jaboja!~jaboja@vps.jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1459386792 844542 :Lilly_Goodman!~canaima@186-26-129-36.dyn.movilnet.com.ve JOIN :#esoteric < 1459386937 16550 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this problem false? < 1459386947 924696 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :normal computer: CRASH < 1459386995 861088 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :quantum computer: There is a 60% chance that the problem is true, and a 39% chance it is false. < 1459387116 966869 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1459387146 333474 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a 1% chance that you're trying to crash me < 1459387212 411956 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: no. this is not problem false < 1459387252 675465 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the NLP module has learned to parse in the other way when the paradox arises < 1459387326 652917 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :will you say no to this question? < 1459387350 563609 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :normal computer: Fal--I mean tr--fa--tr < 1459387499 357468 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: do you even paradox bro? < 1459387499 521899 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: you want a high-quality fnord program in general. the general idea < 1459387516 986082 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: that is enlightening. tdh. < 1459387517 364099 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: this is an example from the wiki? looks suddenly sparse.) thanks for your answer. now you might have more luck rebinding space to enter when using the variable name < 1459387546 908665 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION rebinds the Sacrificial Space. “Fnord! Fnord! Fnord!”
< 1459387797 809982 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? fnord < 1459387802 626533 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1459387840 231523 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh. I thought we had a fnordwisdom in there. < 1459387846 764762 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1459387853 998563 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait. < 1459387869 306120 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION facepalms
< 1459387891 596781 :mihow!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1459387897 746997 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :THIS WENT BETTER THAN EXPECTED < 1459387954 783960 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :embarassingly so. < 1459387971 623931 :mihow!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459388361 182403 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1459388371 627816 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :bonnenuily? < 1459388406 562861 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bontopiasoir! < 1459388413 850884 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION sits down to watch the temporal antipode effect
< 1459388416 202564 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed. it's getting quite late, I say. < 1459388431 68408 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's quite convenient < 1459388436 533035 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can always know when he's going to bed < 1459388449 579308 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :temporal antipode? < 1459388451 736206 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's that < 1459388452 832967 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bonne nuitopia! < 1459388460 789437 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? quintopia < 1459388463 663763 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia is our resident tl;dr generator. He is flooded by thundercats and thunderdogs. He is the temporal antipode of boily despite living on the same continent. < 1459388480 742378 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :summer is only a few months away < 1459388489 848553 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :speak to me of summer ♪ < 1459388492 204652 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll go back in time 2 hours and overlap him a bit < 1459388498 504806 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: COMMITMENT CHICKEN < 1459388512 737931 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh I get it < 1459388520 484039 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1459388523 125557 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :temporal antipode? < 1459388528 969445 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :so opposite time? < 1459388532 831652 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1459388534 996603 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's nocturnal < 1459388535 575726 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :duh < 1459388551 806278 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though it's 2:42 am where I am < 1459388571 228386 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :which could be in africa < 1459388583 787659 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but is probably in britain < 1459388584 584021 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :or on mars < 1459388584 873854 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ds01-214-177.dynamic.mtsallstream.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1459388590 407634 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is rdococland? < 1459388594 337718 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could be in britain too < 1459388601 117919 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococland? < 1459388613 816151 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :good idea for a name to an esolang < 1459388646 455214 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but what real country would it be in < 1459388650 644577 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what city would it house < 1459388651 748911 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1459388654 128365 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :on mars < 1459388656 113220 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1459388671 128394 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :in magic yay world < 1459388677 815977 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :colorful < 1459388713 403884 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococulous < 1459388737 299576 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: is rdococ an AI or is there some other reason e's evading the question < 1459388737 429805 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: anmaster must see. < 1459388739 136424 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know it sounds duckoo but it's troo < 1459388755 139811 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: fungot says you must see this hth < 1459388755 299300 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: and no, that would explain why the video output isn't working properly < 1459388776 612406 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: am I an AI? < 1459388776 903284 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: sorry, didn't read properly. a question of whether the loop was loopzored", i wouldn't expect car and cdr returned copies, hmph. < 1459388801 664241 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: I said, am I an AI emulating a human brain? < 1459388801 994934 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: i like to use _, then __, then ___, et cetera; and no record type descriptor operations such as vector-ref vector-set!. < 1459388807 591589 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1459388808 974118 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what country do you currently reside, person currently to emself as rdococ? < 1459388817 167581 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococland < 1459388843 128028 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I told you, I reside in an esolang < 1459388850 565352 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll just pretend you live in the same country as the server you are connected to for ease < 1459388863 281705 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :what server am I connected to < 1459388873 65736 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :adams (budapest) < 1459388888 472797 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: shouldn't that be an esoland, really < 1459388893 954034 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: lol < 1459388898 721297 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :speak to me of esolangs < 1459388916 573074 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :see? I'm not from britain at all. I'm from rdococland. < 1459388925 783109 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :the esoland < 1459388940 514814 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@time rdococ < 1459388941 73056 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is located in budapest < 1459388952 716604 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmph < 1459388954 339095 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is? < 1459388957 707218 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it was on mars < 1459388980 390992 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, there are still a few bugs in me < 1459388988 455687 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, on mars you find london and o'wobble. that's what i recall from Blackadder, anyway. < 1459388999 161396 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1459389015 516122 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it may have been the very last downer episode < 1459389030 68771 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :he tries to get himself certified insane < 1459389047 904268 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :by claiming he's from mars < 1459389072 548594 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :alas, his superior is too smart/stupid < 1459389102 653154 :Lilly_Goodman!~canaima@186-26-129-36.dyn.movilnet.com.ve QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1459389173 459834 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :Note: people with cloaks will be treated as if they're from Budapest | The international hub of esoteric programming language and font design | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D | The kitten typesetting channel < 1459389179 272315 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: is your palmaris longus present/discernible? < 1459389207 149041 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ironically, b_jonas doesn't have a cloak < 1459389222 723011 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1459389223 418599 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird < 1459389283 124079 :Lilly_Goodman!~canaima@186-26-129-36.dyn.movilnet.com.ve JOIN :#esoteric < 1459389303 953765 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: is it that big vertical one on the wikipedia picture? if so, yes < 1459389335 569044 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://twitter.com/johnregehr/status/715089198819241984 < 1459389342 792234 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i flex my hand just right, anyway < 1459389446 613330 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :right on < 1459390478 974301 :Lilly_Goodman!~canaima@186-26-129-36.dyn.movilnet.com.ve PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOla necesito una mega ayuda < 1459390517 60309 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lilly_Goodman: nosotros no ayudamos en espanol < 1459390563 802453 :Lilly_Goodman!~canaima@186-26-129-36.dyn.movilnet.com.ve PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia es que quiero saber como decir la hora en ingles < 1459390591 594246 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :the time < 1459390653 588465 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :google translate < 1459390674 303970 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :tu eres en el canal incorrecto, sabes? < 1459390755 644427 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bienvenido Lilly_Goodman < 1459390764 298721 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that not work < 1459390770 845677 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : ` < 1459390785 754924 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: we've tried long ago < 1459390804 31298 :Lilly_Goodman!~canaima@186-26-129-36.dyn.movilnet.com.ve PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia quiero decir en ingles... son las nueve y media < 1459390809 571272 :Lilly_Goodman!~canaima@186-26-129-36.dyn.movilnet.com.ve PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia gracias < 1459390895 412712 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lilly_Goodman: ir a un canal de habla espanola por favor < 1459390991 14552 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it is nowhere near 9:30 here < 1459391039 444936 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ir a what < 1459391100 976462 :Lilly_Goodman!~canaima@186-26-129-36.dyn.movilnet.com.ve QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1459391174 861825 :Kaynato!~Aedile@cpe-173-88-230-28.neo.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1459391347 371677 :Lilly_Goodman!~canaima@186-26-129-36.dyn.movilnet.com.ve JOIN :#esoteric < 1459391461 21697 :Lilly_Goodman!~canaima@186-26-129-36.dyn.movilnet.com.ve PRIVMSG #esoteric :hola alguien me ayuda a decir que son las nueve y media... en ingles??????????? < 1459391610 24880 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :hola a what < 1459391618 692223 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric +o :oerjan > 1459391618 790038 NAMES :#esoteric < 1459391639 644973 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :+oerjan < 1459391676 6754 :Lilly_Goodman!~canaima@186-26-129-36.dyn.movilnet.com.ve PRIVMSG #esoteric :ayuda < 1459391684 142228 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no MODE #esoteric +b :*!*canaima@*.dyn.movilnet.com.ve > 1459391684 149881 NAMES :#esoteric < 1459391684 272577 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no KICK #esoteric Lilly_Goodman :Tomar una pista < 1459391706 502338 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no MODE #esoteric -o :oerjan > 1459391706 511103 NAMES :#esoteric < 1459391736 187792 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :rude < 1459391744 191989 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: she(?)'s been refusing to take a hint for over a week < 1459391809 789782 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't make it less rude < 1459391838 20488 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :-.- < 1459391847 718260 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :why so many non english stuff < 1459391853 428156 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you're referring to "Tomar una pista" which i have no idea what means except it's what G.T. gives for "take a hint" < 1459391876 416949 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i meant the ban < 1459391884 432000 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :my brssim of dddipr rexhsaiuxzsted < 1459391920 803997 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: i've been tempted for a week. she _refuses_ to speak in english, or to go anywhere people can understand her. < 1459391946 667246 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :does she speak C? < 1459391947 286665 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well, she apparently doesn't know english well enough.) < 1459391957 697622 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :or Prolog? < 1459391988 376294 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :?- pun(programmingLanguage, linguisticLanguage) < 1459391988 507070 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you meant: v @ ? . < 1459391998 704112 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, those who _have_ tried to speak in spanish (mostly with G.T. which is horrible) have not been able to get any indication she's interested in our actual channel _topics_. < 1459392019 157219 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :does she even know what this channel is about? < 1459392056 371091 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: well she's seen our `bienvenido message in spanish. i'm not sure she's at the point where she understands what it means. < 1459392112 284184 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha "people with cloaks will be treated as if they're from Budapest" < 1459392133 621233 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: sounds like she uses google translate < 1459392200 9323 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: she's either a strange troll or too maladapted for us to handle. i'm not sure. < 1459392217 92000 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: are you saying her spanish isn't right? < 1459392233 846167 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking she's faking it to be honest < 1459392248 62501 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :since she didn't get the bienvenido message < 1459392253 859252 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: she hails from a venezuelan ip so it seemed logical it is her native language. < 1459392263 835274 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :k < 1459392290 1334 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: could be though. however i meant "didn't get" as in pays no attention to it, as if she doesn't know what programming means. < 1459392309 564257 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1459392310 542397 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1459392317 108843 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? rdococ < 1459392319 720921 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :RDOCOCLIKESTOMAKELANGUAGESLIKETHIS < 1459392332 907629 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn rdococ Apparently from Budapest, but probably not. < 1459392338 625443 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Relearned 'rdococ': rdococ Apparently from Budapest, but probably not. < 1459392357 203840 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn rdococ is apparently from Budapest, but probably not. < 1459392359 444963 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Relearned 'rdococ': rdococ is apparently from Budapest, but probably not. < 1459392395 105606 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1459392405 285174 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a programming paradigm that has not been done yet < 1459392420 372832 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh what about < 1459392423 4664 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :program-oriented < 1459392437 433758 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :PrOgram-Oriented < 1459392477 958493 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :paradigm-oriented, clearly. < 1459392487 904752 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(unless Oz is that) < 1459392490 857882 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :how would that even work < 1459392494 434109 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno < 1459392569 258024 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: also, she said she had been banned from #canaima-social(?) so she's presumably grating even to those who _do_ understand her. < 1459392590 337020 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've been banned from a dozen channels < 1459392602 496416 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I have been banned from a few < 1459392607 813547 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_> < 1459392612 157406 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY < 1459392619 495822 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :whut < 1459392688 752347 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i get it, getting banned is no proof of anythin (except maybe that you're weird but we all are here.) < 1459392692 7250 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*+g < 1459392746 595564 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or that they're shit channels. < 1459392831 54948 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :defocus is a shit channel? < 1459392843 217997 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :THOSE WERE ALTERNATIVES < 1459392860 612066 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my god -.- < 1459392866 733551 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm weird? < 1459392871 964718 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION perhaps shouldn't do joke shouting at this point
< 1459392881 16101 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: like a platypus hth < 1459392893 550743 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? I knew you weren't really angry < 1459392904 178839 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :good, good < 1459392913 783687 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUT I'M WEIRD? < 1459392919 675210 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay! < 1459392963 161096 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION yawns
< 1459392963 576000 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yw < 1459393011 832971 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Rdococ14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46701&oldid=46670 5* 03Rdococ 5* (+14) 10yay added BASICER to my list < 1459393066 221851 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you think of BASICER? < 1459393090 277848 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459393203 427616 :lambda-11235!~lambda-11@47-208-113-50.erkacmtk03.res.dyn.suddenlink.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459393395 257868 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1459393411 824021 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-aqhczjtrahvjuufz QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1459393421 834348 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the idea of a bas icer. Is that like a cake decorator who only does single layer cakes? < 1459393461 735826 :Kaynato!~Aedile@cpe-173-88-230-28.neo.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: I am curious, what paradigm is Daoyu < 1459393464 309604 :heroux!~heroux@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-lafonrljumtrwrou JOIN :#esoteric < 1459393541 352507 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :kaynato: dunno < 1459393551 724508 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :proof: no, basicer < 1459393559 141178 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :prooftechnique: my esolang < 1459393577 894393 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know, I was making a very oblique joke < 1459393588 145727 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*hth < 1459393604 812747 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha ha < 1459393606 986640 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :base icer < 1459393624 663628 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking like bas relief, but yeah, the principle is the same < 1459393672 770374 :Kaynato!~Aedile@cpe-173-88-230-28.neo.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have I gotten a chance to show you the language I have made? < 1459393684 794652 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is it? < 1459393695 855466 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :BASRELIEF, the language you go to when you're just too fed up with BASIC < 1459393742 582613 :Kaynato!~Aedile@cpe-173-88-230-28.neo.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Daoyu: https://esolangs.org/wiki/Daoyu < 1459393752 10423 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to think of a way to implement conditionals with only GOTO just to make BASICER complete :D < 1459393768 272888 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :prooftechnique: computed goto? < 1459393809 968821 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think BASICER's goto can do that. < 1459393811 671879 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :GOTO 100*(a>b)+200 < 1459393813 945963 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1459393850 125362 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459393883 40613 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :wut < 1459393898 431630 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess they kind of already exist, if you take the user as an oracle < 1459393921 950986 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are no variables, how do you expect conditionals < 1459393928 569644 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :arthur-merlin model, with the user as merlin < 1459394036 734182 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*protocol < 1459394063 74947 :Kaynato!~Aedile@cpe-173-88-230-28.neo.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@rdococ: is there a possibility you can help me with some C memory problems? < 1459394063 205230 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1459394078 72206 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are you asking me < 1459394109 250649 :Kaynato!~Aedile@cpe-173-88-230-28.neo.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You seem to be an experienced authority figure < 1459394116 87892 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do? < 1459394128 200759 :Kaynato!~Aedile@cpe-173-88-230-28.neo.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I...suppose? < 1459394141 744246 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric ::s < 1459394174 355365 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I'm about to fall asleep, and I don't know all that much, ask someone else < 1459394210 885401 :Kaynato!~Aedile@cpe-173-88-230-28.neo.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alright, thanks < 1459394213 834838 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :but thanks for the compliment < 1459394251 11441 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :channel.Sleep(awkward silence) < 1459394255 880312 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*chirp* < 1459394338 738524 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure there's some authority on C here. < 1459394348 743395 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, there are IOCCC winners here. < 1459394366 212594 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this may or may not help in this case. < 1459394378 847835 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION pokes tromp_ and Gregor
< 1459394395 350970 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the latter only out of principle) < 1459394428 182458 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and i'm not sure the former appreciates it either) < 1459394436 400387 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION snores loudly
< 1459394452 391323 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most surprisingly portable is a great honor < 1459394696 688118 :shikhin!shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1459394724 397307 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1459394745 343659 :sewilton!sid32560@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mjhqecridzzcuwib QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1459394863 332240 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1459394863 332391 :fractal!~fractal@unaffiliated/scounder QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1459394863 332417 :dingbat!uid70835@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-cxmfuxayfqncsder QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1459394934 336464 :incomprehensibly!sid3405@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nutkghybupupouto QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1459395123 331745 :jameseb!~jameseb_@runciman.hacksoc.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1459395123 331890 :nitrix!~nitrix@unaffiliated/nitrix QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1459395123 331906 :glogbot!dlopen@libdl.so QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds > 1459395129 707692 JOIN :#esoteric > 1459395133 763100 JOIN :#esoteric > 1459395134 270312 JOIN :#esoteric > 1459395189 796284 JOIN :#esoteric > 1459395193 859740 JOIN :#esoteric > 1459395194 366005 JOIN :#esoteric > 1459395249 794995 JOIN :#esoteric < 1459395251 416891 :glogbot!dlopen@libdl.so JOIN :#esoteric > 1459395253 850787 JOIN :#esoteric > 1459395254 356986 JOIN :#esoteric < 1459395296 470278 :sewilton_!sid32560@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-pitekloviaijlfkh NICK :sewilton < 1459395327 53923 :dingbat_!uid70835@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-udlzolypdqbdkpbm NICK :dingbat < 1459395334 723681 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT : < 1459395373 888627 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ack < 1459395376 287786 :nitrix-!~nitrix@104.236.108.9 QUIT :Changing host < 1459395376 450511 :nitrix-!~nitrix@unaffiliated/nitrix JOIN :#esoteric < 1459395380 595436 :nitrix-!~nitrix@unaffiliated/nitrix NICK :nitrix < 1459395391 203865 :incomprehensibly!sid3405@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qclsparchxhzanjy JOIN :#esoteric < 1459395472 85773 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459395545 240056 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1459395593 161705 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459396055 503010 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Kc kennylau 5* 10New user account < 1459396066 891063 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07///14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46702&oldid=40418 5* 03Kc kennylau 5* (+4) 10/* Binary to unary conversion */ < 1459396879 994824 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Binary to unary conversion14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=46703 5* 03Kc kennylau 5* (+1729) 10Created page with "A '''binary to unary conversion''' program is a program that can convert a given number in binary form to a unary form. It is mainly used to showcase [[Markov algorithm]] ([ht..." < 1459396881 220706 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Retina14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46704&oldid=45838 5* 03Kc kennylau 5* (+110) 10 < 1459396919 81002 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Binary to unary conversion14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46705&oldid=46703 5* 03Kc kennylau 5* (+28) 10 < 1459396977 364726 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Binary to unary conversion14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46706&oldid=46705 5* 03Kc kennylau 5* (+92) 10/* Retina */ < 1459396997 821782 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Retina14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46707&oldid=46704 5* 03Kc kennylau 5* (+103) 10 < 1459397223 52662 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1459398513 899941 :Kaynato!~Aedile@cpe-173-88-230-28.neo.res.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1459398755 806563 :mihow!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1459399620 455800 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell hppavilion[1] http://dl.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=96559.96570 has &lgr; for some reason. I have no clue what that entity means <-- it's a lambda hth < 1459399620 656454 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1459399866 232517 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell rdococ so there is no turing complete machine with only one register? <-- fractran. < 1459399866 395231 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1459400478 651506 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1459400628 394161 :fractal!~fractal@unaffiliated/scounder JOIN :#esoteric < 1459400672 418243 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459400962 683100 :lambda-11235!~lambda-11@47-208-113-50.erkacmtk03.res.dyn.suddenlink.net QUIT :Quit: Bye < 1459401794 414954 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1459401829 666915 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://api.left-pad.io/?str=test&len=12&ch=%22 < 1459401835 983076 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it got fixed :-D < 1459402349 837902 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, that's clearly a semver violation, they should put a version number somewhere. I suggest in the domain name just after .io < 1459402378 561508 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it a semver violation if you don't /have/ a version number? < 1459402627 259430 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it a semver violation if you use one of the noncompliant examples from the spec? < 1459402639 921348 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: api.0.1.left-pad.io < 1459402647 571438 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :note that it is for the version 1.0 < 1459405201 712299 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459405348 616021 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459405587 701047 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1459405645 389482 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1459406402 282774 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459406745 207037 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1459407117 265827 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu JOIN :#esoteric < 1459412509 597174 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-5-127.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1459413728 8510 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459414053 893902 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1459414182 513607 :Effilry!~firefly@oftn/oswg-member/FireFly NICK :FireFly < 1459414805 575840 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1459415711 897725 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :brilliant! the ziped multiple html download of the POSIX spec from opengroup.org is so posixy it has two filenames that are equal case insensitively (_exit.html and _Exit.html) so you can't extract all of it on non-unixy file systems. < 1459416426 721965 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: they may very well have the same contents, too < 1459416444 73788 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/009695399/functions/exit.html describes those and exit < 1459416554 122615 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`fetch http://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/009695399/functions/_exit.html < 1459416601 381431 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2016-03-31 09:29:34 URL:http://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/009695399/functions/_exit.html [25309/25309] -> "_exit.html" [1] < 1459416601 544459 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION emulates fred astaire
< 1459416605 914325 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`fetch http://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/009695399/functions/_Exit.html < 1459416608 906444 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2016-03-31 09:29:49 URL:http://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/009695399/functions/_Exit.html [25309/25309] -> "_Exit.html" [1] < 1459416624 114245 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` diff _?xit.html < 1459416636 234952 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1459416639 948891 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` diff _?xit.html < 1459416642 707033 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1459416649 603929 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: yep < 1459416661 301186 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` rm -v _?xit.html < 1459416663 387373 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :removed `_exit.html' \ removed `_Exit.html' < 1459416960 980806 :jaboja!~jaboja@vps.jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1459417313 991246 :jaboja!~jaboja@vps.jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1459418434 51306 :jaboja!~jaboja@vps.jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1459418787 915203 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION thinks today's mezzacotta comic is strangely coherent.
< 1459418954 427397 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would recommend it to fungot, but e's not heeeeeeeeeeeeeAAAAA < 1459419979 968991 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mezzacotta? < 1459420131 109245 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.mezzacotta.net/ < 1459420712 891670 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Later < 1459421047 607525 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459421175 669972 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1459421386 392338 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1459421471 885150 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't look that impressive < 1459422262 340535 :jaboja!~jaboja@vps.jaboja.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1459422736 213937 :dingbat!uid70835@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-udlzolypdqbdkpbm QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1459423216 69824 :^v!~v^@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1459423320 729057 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: ALMOST CHICKEN < 1459423370 190194 :^v!~v^@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459423371 52978 :Deewiant!~deewiant@de1.ut.deewiant.iki.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1459423408 826681 :Deewiant!~deewiant@de1.ut.deewiant.iki.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1459424792 286811 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Midnightas 5* 10New user account < 1459425128 314869 :Reece`!~nothing@cpc4-wiga13-2-0-cust799.18-3.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459425371 281654 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Pylongolf14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=46708 5* 03Midnightas 5* (+451) 10Created page with "= Pylongolf = Pylongolf is a simple stack-based language created by [http://midnightasgames.ga MidnightasGames]. == Adding to stack == Adding to the stack works differently t..." < 1459425385 74656 :jameseb-!~jameseb_@runciman.hacksoc.org NICK :jameseb < 1459425922 4444 :augur_!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1459425942 975500 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459426987 597019 :ak48!~nodebot@amaterasu.macs.hw.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1459427090 325135 :ak48!~nodebot@amaterasu.macs.hw.ac.uk QUIT :Quit: node-irc says goodbye < 1459427161 573222 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1459427365 61950 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@2a02:1811:d22:cc00:1402:686:8b4e:4b57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1459428003 861991 :^v!~v^@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1459428017 420797 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1459428055 50928 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459428063 701369 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1459428106 248072 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459428373 53604 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459428417 565682 :^v!~v^@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459428697 45863 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1459429774 339035 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :am I the only one who didn't make a brain**** derivative when I first joined? < 1459431329 906009 :Guest6809!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1459431679 489 :p34k!~p34k@nat-wh-wz4-12.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1459432121 818604 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1459432133 91715 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't do it either < 1459432248 423404 :lambda-11235!~lambda-11@47.208.113.50 JOIN :#esoteric < 1459432292 322594 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: I still have to resist it VERY hard, because there's a good one I know but I want to make sure it's never made. I'll have to figure out how to do it elegantly without brainfuck, but I haven't yet. < 1459432383 753007 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll probably have to adapt it to underload if possible. < 1459433074 313362 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: I have not made any esolangs, yet :v < 1459433194 28387 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you made... any prooving technique < 1459433502 34414 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only technique you need is "trust me" :D < 1459433936 320996 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, the jedi trick? < 1459433957 38247 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :prooftechnique: but what do you do with those users who are immune to mind tricks? < 1459433988 408514 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet we have some of those on this channel < 1459434042 435895 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you just invoke descent theory and everyone gives up < 1459434555 510655 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Evil14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46709&oldid=30837 5* 03Kc kennylau 5* (+165) 10 < 1459434924 145663 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Question. On windows 10, how do I configure the system to not turn off the monitor so quickly when on the lock screen? < 1459434935 928702 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Evil14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46710&oldid=46709 5* 03Kc kennylau 5* (+105) 10/* 0 to 255 using only a, e, u, z (To be completed) */ < 1459434975 455771 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-5-127.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1459435006 772840 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried to change the "Power Options" in control panel, but that only lets me change how quickly the monitor turns off when the login isn't locked. < 1459435141 428682 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, I see < 1459435166 224958 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried a google search, and I found some webpages mentioning strange registry entries. < 1459435188 652394 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although most of them are about Windows 8 and they don't seem directly applicable. < 1459435341 238309 :spiette!~spiette@x-132-204-251-254.xtpr.umontreal.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1459435366 460264 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also found another webpage with a different solution that might work: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/2835052 < 1459435412 376471 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1459435515 184722 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have trouble trying to turn up the brightness on my monitor < 1459435526 906159 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :no matter what setting I set, it always looks the same < 1459435696 20392 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459435801 676975 :lambda-11235!~lambda-11@47.208.113.50 QUIT :Quit: Bye < 1459436074 54791 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1459436222 261946 :bender|!benderpc@2404:e800:e61a:41d:91fc:c366:1b68:890b JOIN :#esoteric < 1459436680 88049 :Kaynato!~Aedile@casewireless03.CWRU.Edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1459436813 411115 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a number system where 1/0 = infinity? < 1459436861 34528 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@2a02:1811:d22:cc00:1402:686:8b4e:4b57 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1459436996 859749 :jameseb!~jameseb_@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: not if you want the field axioms to be satisfied, I think < 1459437187 260376 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1459437232 912883 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :(x/y)*y = x < 1459437234 729304 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1459437242 452878 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :(x/0)*0 = x < 1459437255 420524 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :x/y = x * (1/y) < 1459437264 297239 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :that means x/0 = x * (1/0) < 1459437282 814083 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, there will have to be multiple infinities < 1459437443 754285 :Reece`!~nothing@cpc4-wiga13-2-0-cust799.18-3.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1459437752 743446 :^v!~v^@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1459437796 426531 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always wondered why people keep talking about pi < 1459437802 893879 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer the square root of 2 < 1459437817 445198 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is the everything number < 1459437876 771589 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :or i < 1459437881 938871 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's the number of my dreams < 1459437941 981669 :^v!~v^@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459438324 248976 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to make a mathematical system which doesn't calculate things normally so I can do square root of -1 without adding a special case < 1459438405 224989 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :which I could do < 1459438414 642923 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :in string substitution < 1459438433 977123 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :sqrt ($x * $x) = $x < 1459438457 360420 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :sqrt($x) * sqrt($x) = $x < 1459438460 559359 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think < 1459438546 503316 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1459438554 231200 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :how would I make a super-turing complete programming language < 1459438779 880066 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :adding an oracle is the standard way of doing that < 1459438815 362117 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :if f(x) does not terminate then ... < 1459438851 975735 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :but can we break that does not terminate super-complete instruction into smaller ones? < 1459438886 602863 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example, are there other problems that turing complete machines can't solve? < 1459438964 791542 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, most subsets of the natural numbers are uncomputable... so yes. < 1459438971 557365 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :The tricky bit is to define one. < 1459439015 425230 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1459439018 559410 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :the issue is < 1459439030 718030 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :in any system that sounds logical < 1459439124 305628 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would an oracle for the n-th digit of the halting probability (for, say, binary lambda calculus) solve the halting problem... I'm afraid it does? < 1459439324 127423 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1459439371 390356 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do we divide the halting problem into smaller instructions? basically, a super turing complete language where you need more than one instruction to solve the problem < 1459439510 418076 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :infact, why not just specify that it computes everything in a finite time < 1459439515 854037 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it's super-turing complete < 1459439636 49583 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"everything" < 1459439769 290971 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1459439791 647431 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :programs that don't halt halt anyway < 1459439798 473235 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is actually hoping for a concrete definition of an oracle that's not computable but cannot solve the halting problem for TMs.
< 1459439813 860411 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders what an oracle is
< 1459439843 600440 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :an external entity that answers interesting questions. < 1459439888 62176 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you sure that the halting problem is even well defined? < 1459439974 24507 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're used in computability theory and also in complexity theory. For example a SAT oracle would take a boolean formula and immediately say whether it's satisfiable or not. So people talk about complexities relative to an oracle... P^{NP} would contain problems that can be solved in polynomial time and a polynomial number of queries to an NP oracle (which you can think of as a SAT oracle... < 1459439980 103980 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :...because SAT is NP-complete). < 1459440016 596004 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: yes, it is well-defined for Turing machines. < 1459440029 993408 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm < 1459440055 420406 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, turing complete machines can solve it for finite state machines < 1459440191 799623 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :the "if f(x) halts" construct is not well-defined if you allow recursion, due to its circularity... f := loop while f halts. < 1459440219 42965 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't understand this. In the rust standard library, why is std::process::Command.spawn not an unsafe function, when it starts a process with an arbitrary executable and so can indirectly cause arbitrary memory access on your process too. < 1459440264 675627 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :now who would do such things... :P < 1459440301 162026 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, what distinguishes the spawned processes from any other processes that are already running on the system? < 1459440315 692114 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :by that reasoning, all code is unsafe. < 1459440337 12713 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which is quite close to the truth, but not a useful distinction to make... lacking the distinction) < 1459440356 554531 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: sure, if you run unsafe code _once_, and it's not actually safe, then you can get undefined behavior _later_. < 1459440372 834841 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the point is that running only safe code shouldn't be able to do thtat < 1459440384 52988 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: note that I don't know what kind of safety Rust is trying to model < 1459440394 968498 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so opening files or starting processes should count as unsafe < 1459440402 994142 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: that is described in the rust book and manuals < 1459440407 750276 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION doesn't even know this with complete certainty for Haskell... where he's a bit of an expert.
< 1459440407 913336 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the safety model that is < 1459440433 276832 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, haskell is sort of different < 1459440495 855914 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :function f() { while f halts { } } < 1459440500 662978 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :does the function halt? < 1459440506 803355 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :the function halts if it does not halt < 1459440514 561449 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I was merely trying to clarify that I was voicing an opinion not based on fact but at best on common sense. < 1459440545 291049 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1459440548 486184 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what about this < 1459440549 259688 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: I think I just wrote that, with slightly different syntaxc < 1459440550 522668 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :x < 1459440566 598261 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :make evaluation not go through the whole thing, but just one step - for example < 1459440581 120477 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :evaluate((3 + 2) + 1) = 5 + 1 < 1459440583 391991 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :not 6 < 1459440613 968206 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1459440652 49921 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :pairs of functions that cancel each other < 1459440666 993643 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :successor(predecessor(x)) = predecessor(successor(x)) = x < 1459440682 875424 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :sqrt(x^2) = sqrt(x)^2 = x < 1459440719 454328 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :sqrt(x^2) = |x| < 1459440746 220615 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :sqrt(-1^2) = 1 < 1459440747 105601 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1459440760 67267 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> -1^2 < 1459440761 546467 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : -1 < 1459440768 166381 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (-1)^2 < 1459440769 713503 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1 < 1459440826 84968 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :x * sqrt(y) = sqrt((x^2) * y) < 1459440829 398297 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :right? < 1459440836 954069 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :if x >= 0 < 1459440842 937614 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1459440869 610126 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or y = 0) < 1459440877 789016 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it works if y < 0? < 1459440889 571396 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-5-127.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1459440898 197135 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 * sqrt(-1) = sqrt((1^2) * -1) < 1459440910 559241 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it gets messy if you allow complex numbers < 1459440958 910909 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :we could make a computer system that treats impossible numbers as if they were normal - basically a way to check if expressions evaluate to the same value without evaluating them < 1459440977 64335 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb < 1459441089 637361 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because of branches... and arbkitrary choices for "principal values". (The same is true for real numbers, but there the mess can be reduced to just discussing signs.) < 1459441090 772537 :bender|!benderpc@2404:e800:e61a:41d:91fc:c366:1b68:890b QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1459441110 249116 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? arbkitrary < 1459441143 125732 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :arbkitrary? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1459441405 234316 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, are you arbkitary? < 1459441628 61527 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :i^2 = j^2 = k^2 means i = j??? < 1459441631 872718 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric := k??? < 1459441650 386824 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1459441679 423545 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: are you looking at quaternions? < 1459441716 468086 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe < 1459441728 672526 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it breaks rules I find comfortable < 1459441748 32264 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: it's no different than 1^2 = (-1)^2 < 1459441760 509350 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1459441761 432596 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1459441763 729257 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes sense < 1459441777 883635 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: if so, note that multiplication there isn't even commutative, so (i-j)(i+j) = i^2 + ij - ji - j^2 != i^2 - j^2... so i^2 = j^2 does not even imply i = j or i = -j. < 1459441820 555430 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but the distributive laws continue to hold) < 1459441968 96835 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in fact, i^2 + ij - ji - j^2 = 2k whereas i^2 - j^2 = 0) < 1459442480 218437 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :urgh slow compiling < 1459442521 344866 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1459442568 221587 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :c++ seems to compile mmuch slower than an equivalent loc of c < 1459442605 989764 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1459442612 419470 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does < 1459442616 898630 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder how D and rust compare < 1459442629 213063 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++ needs to do semantic analysis during the parisng < 1459442631 174758 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :*parsing < 1459442644 454229 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and expand templates during compilation < 1459442648 772097 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's C, D, is there E? < 1459442656 554189 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: you know there are compiler options to modify how quickly you compile, and in particular with gcc, -O (same as -O1) is great for improving compilation speed compared to -O2 (which does more optimizations) < 1459442661 48185 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :right? < 1459442661 377607 :Kaynato!~Aedile@casewireless03.CWRU.Edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could I ask for some c help? < 1459442665 849505 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kaynato: you can try ;) < 1459442672 976611 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know there's F, perhaps G, idk about H or I, there is J, idk about K...well yet anyway < 1459442684 272777 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, don't use ancient versions of compilers, because some of those really are slow < 1459442691 440932 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ < 1459442702 442944 :Kaynato!~Aedile@casewireless03.CWRU.Edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, my program is crashing unexpectedly on typical input only of one sort < 1459442714 67734 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: there are languages for every ascii letter, probably more than one language for half of them < 1459442715 75190 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's Lazy K. < 1459442718 305799 :Kaynato!~Aedile@casewireless03.CWRU.Edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I alter the input with inconsequential anything, it doesn't crash < 1459442724 80913 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1459442728 200875 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about Unicode letters < 1459442729 619854 :Kaynato!~Aedile@casewireless03.CWRU.Edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I put it in gdb, it doesn't crash < 1459442736 620562 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: and there is a quite famous apl-like called K, and there was some crazy language called E somewhere < 1459442739 194428 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kaynato: you have undefined behaviour somewhere, probably < 1459442750 345883 :Kaynato!~Aedile@casewireless03.CWRU.Edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes it just crashes < 1459442754 711310 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kaynato: start by turning off optimizations < 1459442756 419166 :Kaynato!~Aedile@casewireless03.CWRU.Edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Other times calloc doesn't want to allocate 4 bytes < 1459442765 540459 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly run with ubsan < 1459442767 371812 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :uninitialized varriables? < 1459442767 805171 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :or valgrind < 1459442780 809491 :Kaynato!~Aedile@casewireless03.CWRU.Edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Optimizations are off, I am compiling for gdb < 1459442815 617744 :Kaynato!~Aedile@casewireless03.CWRU.Edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :All variables areinitialized < 1459442832 60114 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :use valgrind or ubsan < 1459442864 125550 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1459442865 948264 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about this < 1459442866 873306 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :© < 1459442870 974214 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also check for division by zero < 1459442875 136964 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :circle with a c in it < 1459442894 431589 :Kaynato!~Aedile@casewireless03.CWRU.Edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am using windows < 1459442919 84883 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: it's the name of a programming language specialized for use in the entertainment industry < 1459442944 310099 :Kaynato!~Aedile@casewireless03.CWRU.Edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can I run valgrind on windows? < 1459442954 440924 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt it < 1459442956 841695 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1459442958 642492 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if you could, it only runs Linux binaries < 1459442959 298085 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ubsan should work though < 1459442969 665573 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :msan is Valgrind-like and probably works on Windows < 1459442983 641232 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and msan and ubsan complement each other, they catch different classes of bugs) < 1459442985 851366 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which compiler are you using? < 1459442996 993259 :Kaynato!~Aedile@casewireless03.CWRU.Edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :gcc < 1459443004 139563 :Kaynato!~Aedile@casewireless03.CWRU.Edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, chrome's crashed < 1459443066 927529 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :at some point you should start ruling out hardware problems, not sure whether you've reached it yet < 1459443095 966538 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459443118 377551 :dingbat!uid70835@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rbjfltvdshrdicxa JOIN :#esoteric < 1459443144 686471 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch... faulty RAM sucks < 1459443153 592290 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's hard to debug < 1459443182 893417 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but chrome crashing doesn't mean that much) < 1459443204 767213 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kaynato: check if maybe your system's memory use is so high that programs run out of memory. < 1459443215 137933 :Kaynato!~Aedile@casewireless03.CWRU.Edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is not < 1459443224 458848 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not the most likely of causes... and it tends to produce intermittend rather than reproducible errors anyway < 1459443229 940340 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or if the program you're running is allocating too much memory which is how it runs out. < 1459443232 625607 :Kaynato!~Aedile@casewireless03.CWRU.Edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I can run this and have it allocate even a few mb < 1459443234 623970 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: yep < 1459443240 212025 :Kaynato!~Aedile@casewireless03.CWRU.Edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just on this specific program that calloc fails for some reason < 1459443243 777690 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :intermittent < 1459443279 328088 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kaynato: usually that's just a memory corruption bug elsewhere in the program, eg. indexing past an array or using a stale or uninitialized pointer < 1459443304 195333 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :like a pointer to a freed object < 1459443353 944315 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1459443360 744981 :Kaynato!~Aedile@casewireless03.CWRU.Edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's really strange, I'm using really simple code and it causes this, while complex code doesn't < 1459443372 82687 :Kaynato!~Aedile@casewireless03.CWRU.Edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll make a simpler example to see if the error is triggered < 1459443401 668129 :Kaynato!~Aedile@casewireless03.CWRU.Edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, so I can run the output file just fine < 1459443412 699448 :Kaynato!~Aedile@casewireless03.CWRU.Edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But on the default of compile-interpret, it breaks < 1459443538 562416 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-76.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1459443555 604918 :mihow!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459443666 259246 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like you have a memory corruption bug somewhere < 1459443679 398561 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1459443706 919597 :Kaynato!~Aedile@casewireless03.CWRU.Edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do I run ubsan? < 1459444029 104159 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kaynato: try -fsanitize=address -fsanitize=undefined when compiling with gcc (you'll need a recent version of gcc) < 1459444043 437251 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that'll turn on asan (which I called msan earlier due to misremembering the name) and ubsan < 1459444087 92517 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then run your proram as normal < 1459444166 272074 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if this works on Windows yet; hopefully it does though < 1459444219 71708 :Kaynato!~Aedile@casewireless03.CWRU.Edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1459444232 229731 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, Kaynato probably didn't see my reply :-( < 1459444239 868792 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1459444253 330994 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I were to make an infinity, it would be a neutral number like 0 < 1459444261 582251 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, if you call it a number < 1459444294 951847 :Kaynato!~Aedile@casewireless03.CWRU.Edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1459444355 400303 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Kaynato: try -fsanitize=address -fsanitize=undefined when compiling with then run your proram as normal gcc (you'll need a recent version of gcc) that'll turn on asan (which I called msan earlier due to misremembering the name) and ubsan I'm not sure if this works on Windows yet; hopefully it does though < 1459444399 707349 :lambda-11235!~lambda-11@24.156.46.20 JOIN :#esoteric < 1459444407 297523 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :infinity is basically the 0 that's 1/0 < 1459444420 755087 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :infinity is like a second 0 < 1459444464 824083 :Kaynato!~Aedile@casewireless03.CWRU.Edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Projective number line? < 1459444470 195372 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I heard of this projective circle thing that goes from 0 -> 1 -> 2 -> 3 -> infinity -> -3 -> -2 -> -1 -> 0 < 1459444524 765940 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: right, that's basically projective geometry < 1459444528 994521 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it works in more dimensions than just 1D < 1459444547 114140 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and has some other fun properties, e.g. going past infinity and back from the other side makes an object into a mirror image of itself < 1459444581 278161 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can have complex projective numbers and cool extra transformations? < 1459444667 289147 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps < 1459444681 52610 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if it works with complex numbers rather than just x/y coordinates, but it probably does < 1459444686 891387 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, wait, no < 1459444688 466342 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn't an x/y < 1459444693 991798 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because infinity is a point, not a line < 1459444707 214735 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, no it is a line < 1459444708 754093 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think < 1459444710 635819 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm confused < 1459444718 263241 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1459444728 733011 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :x/y is the same thing as the complex plane < 1459444733 806470 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least I think it is < 1459444735 639462 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in 2D projective geometry, there is one "point at infinity" for each angle a line can have < 1459444749 895771 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :two parallel lines intersect at the point at infinity for their angle < 1459444756 328823 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there is a line at infinity that contains all the points at infinity < 1459444760 737487 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :can a triangle have one angle in infinity? < 1459444816 422200 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-76.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1459444838 959598 :Kaynato!~Aedile@casewireless03.CWRU.Edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :An angle of infinity is not particularly meaningful < 1459444858 512919 :Kaynato!~Aedile@casewireless03.CWRU.Edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, misread < 1459444859 383180 :Kaynato!~Aedile@casewireless03.CWRU.Edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry < 1459444899 646561 :Kaynato!~Aedile@casewireless03.CWRU.Edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Riemann sphere is the likely one you are thinking about for complex numbers < 1459444912 502216 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :could be < 1459444927 835957 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not an expert on projective geometry, I've hardly even seen references to it < 1459444955 167560 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: I don't see why you couldn't have a triangle formed out of two crossing lines, with the third at infinity < 1459445012 624176 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :sleepy < 1459445525 198072 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: because there's a whole line at infinity, and the two intersecting lines will intersect that one in different points. < 1459445566 354146 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: yes, thus forming a triangle < 1459445582 64430 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of the sides runs from one of the relevant points-at-infinity to the other < 1459445595 28736 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: oh, it wasn't clear that the line at infinity would be one of the sides < 1459445596 111863 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other two run from the points-at-infinity to a single point in "finite space" < 1459445600 157211 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that's fine then < 1459445726 151397 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, another parsing failure... < 1459445753 57478 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1459445779 332201 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu QUIT :Quit: That's what she said < 1459445973 607518 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell myname doesn't look that impressive <-- what do you mean, not impressive? all the panels share a theme despite not being just repetition of each other! (ok so the point is that it's usually far worse hth) < 1459445973 770403 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1459446074 358152 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: this is a mezzacotta comic? < 1459446085 387648 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yeah < 1459446088 478073 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :today's < 1459446116 703306 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's actually… mildly funny, at least < 1459446124 142189 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are right, it is unusually good for mezzacotta < 1459446134 145988 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION bakes it
< 1459446171 206926 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1459446318 525667 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@194.108.5.201 JOIN :#esoteric < 1459446354 289425 :spiette!~spiette@x-132-204-251-254.xtpr.umontreal.ca QUIT :Quit: :qa! < 1459446418 393523 :lambda-11235!~lambda-11@24.156.46.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :An old stack based language I wrote a long time ago, https://github.com/lambda-11235/tstk. < 1459446440 321349 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : am I the only one who didn't make a brain**** derivative when I first joined? <-- technically, have i ever? the one i added recently already existed with a different name. < 1459446512 413519 :lambda-11235!~lambda-11@24.156.46.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If anyone's interested in looking at it. < 1459446526 650224 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've certainly implemented a few, though. although i don't think i implemented brainfuck _itself_ until i did it in Fueue. < 1459446602 451311 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: did you invent small-finite-tape BF? < 1459446610 992343 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, with a single-digit length? < 1459446670 919818 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambda-11235: why does github show README.html unrendered... < 1459446690 995750 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: because it's not a Markdown file and github doesn't render anything but markdown < 1459446693 420486 :zadock!~outsider@81.180.208.252 JOIN :#esoteric < 1459446717 637236 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: cannot imagine so, there was already a proof by someone else that 5 were enough after all. < 1459446733 699073 :lambda-11235!~lambda-11@24.156.46.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I wrote it a long time ago, and for some reason I decided to use html for the README. < 1459446759 845971 :lambda-11235!~lambda-11@24.156.46.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was long before I joined GitHub. < 1459446766 367431 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459446767 363314 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1459446790 420238 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b < 1459446795 193283 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bleh < 1459446801 173397 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :backspace is next to return, as usual < 1459446809 843414 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :B-) < 1459446823 312761 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, why am I apologising for my typos, I used to just send them to #esoteric without caring < 1459446829 513484 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably I'm on better behaviour than normal < 1459446833 68356 :lambda-11235!~lambda-11@24.156.46.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Write a program to convert html to markdown, and call it markup. < 1459446838 69202 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: and you invented reversible brainfuck before i needed it for jolverine < 1459446848 111725 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I didn't realise you needed it < 1459446867 70169 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambda-11235: doesn't pandoc do that? maybe it only goes the other way. < 1459446892 294288 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION doesn't really know pandoc
< 1459446906 686262 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now you're making me want to work on rtfm again < 1459446916 137815 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: jolverine is reversible and has a tape, so it seemed like the obvious thing to try... < 1459446929 24841 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for the TC proof) < 1459446932 869871 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the basic idea is that it statistically analyzes text documents to work out what notation they use for headings, titles, etc., then converts into other formats) < 1459446942 510893 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then i had to prove rev. bf TC first < 1459446943 243116 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I haven't even really started it yet, though) < 1459447026 755113 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know, looking at that page < 1459447035 810653 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in retrospect I should probably define , to add the input to the current cell < 1459447042 935175 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than crash the program if the current cell is nonzero < 1459447065 185696 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : presumably I'm on better behaviour than normal <-- hasn't that day passed < 1459447071 153767 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ais523 < 1459447072 511304 :lambda-11235!~lambda-11@24.156.46.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Hold on, converting and tidying up the markdown. < 1459447075 897621 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it was earlier this month < 1459447077 397366 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1459447084 501186 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, I am sometimes well-behaved on other days too < 1459447084 665570 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Agent “Iä” Smith is an alien with a strange allergy to avian body covering, which he is trying to retroactively prevent from ever evolving. On the 3rd of March, he's lawful good. < 1459447099 569318 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shocking < 1459447173 592968 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: next you need to merge rtfm with aimake hth < 1459447190 581331 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it'd be possible < 1459447201 153678 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aimake uses POD for documentation atm (both its own and that of programs it's installing) < 1459447232 414780 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's partly because it ships with Perl, and partly because it's one of the few formats that has all the features that documentation really needs (the other is info and everyone hates info) < 1459447319 88333 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-178-006-010-224.178.006.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1459447331 869933 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i recall they changed the doc format for ghc last year. < 1459447355 454122 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although the new one _did_ lose a few features (deep nesting, i think) < 1459447371 927081 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it was still considered a win. < 1459447382 197161 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, hmm, asan and msan both exist and do different things, and valgrind does both those things < 1459447395 628277 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(asan = check for addressability, msan = check for definedness) < 1459447523 706761 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :from DocBook to ReStructuredText https://ghc.haskell.org/trac/ghc/wiki/UsersGuide/MoveFromDocBook < 1459447681 533797 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, email from norwegian tax authorities < 1459447763 664893 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well at least you're actually norwegian, so it makes more sense that you receive the email than that, say, I do < 1459447789 226468 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the spam filter marked it as possibly spam :P < 1459447796 473372 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there's no link in it so... < 1459447889 910127 :shikhin_!shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1459447892 357605 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's an email everyone gets, that the tax forms are ready < 1459447989 218629 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(everyone they've got email for, that is. i _almost_ managed to not use the official login long enough that they stopped considering my email valid) < 1459448038 438624 :spiette!~spiette@x-132-204-251-254.xtpr.umontreal.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1459448087 586214 :lambda-11235!~lambda-11@24.156.46.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Converted to markdown. How's that? < 1459448110 819841 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1459448167 72892 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :markdown annoys me < 1459448211 133222 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are three jobs you really want for a format like that: a) capable of representing arbitrary formatting; b) looks like a regular unformatted text file; c) easy for someone unfamiliar with the format to edit < 1459448217 399894 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it pretty much fails at all three < 1459448307 581633 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what they call an excellent compromise hth < 1459448408 741142 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been considering making my own, going all-in on b) and only aiming for the other two to the extend they don't interfere < 1459448424 568850 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :was considering going so far as to allow people to write directives as sequences of spaces and tabs at the end of lines, Whitespace-style < 1459448736 194611 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :schlock in a holding cell, what did I miss? < 1459448737 185445 :lambda-11235!~lambda-11@24.156.46.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I would want something that goes for a. A kinda of markup language that's turing complete with arbitrary drawing capabilities. < 1459448742 25631 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I don't think perldoc has all the features that documentation needs. there's one feature I'm really missing < 1459448765 690974 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambda-11235: like HTML+JS, but less insane? < 1459448767 105465 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: go on < 1459448782 8085 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(probably have to wait for the next strip for an explanation... sigh) < 1459448821 886294 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, at least with the current perldoc interpreters. it's possible that it could be fixed in the future by changing those. < 1459448831 767707 :lambda-11235!~lambda-11@24.156.46.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I considered that, but yes, it needs to be more sane, and prettier to look at. < 1459448835 804565 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: you still haven't told me what the feature /is/ < 1459448874 29368 :lambda-11235!~lambda-11@24.156.46.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like LaTeX, but easier to program and do graphics in. < 1459448884 355211 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know how perl has =begin and =for directives to put renderer-specific parts in a perldoc, so you can say something like eg. =for *HTML \n to embed an image in HTML output < 1459448895 178080 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1459448900 182854 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :=for aimake manualsection 6 < 1459448917 12982 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The feature I'm missing is the same thing in negative, so that you can easily put fallbacks for other renderers < 1459448944 715732 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's possible to do this for some renderers by putting the fallback text unconditionally and using some renderer-specific method to hide that text < 1459448944 916068 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a "=for everythingelse"? < 1459448951 243383 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no, more like a =for !HTML < 1459448966 527219 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that wouldn't be useful unless you could hide from two or more renderers at once < 1459448972 962134 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you can with =begin < 1459448980 990058 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: non-starred =being blocks can be nested < 1459448996 3885 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously =for !HTML is the wrong syntax for it, because it's not backwards compatible < 1459449005 275649 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? markdown < 1459449013 125906 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :markdown? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1459449035 305419 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`le/rn markdown/What will your markdown flavor be today? < 1459449046 85765 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned «markdown» < 1459449048 338375 :zadock!~outsider@81.180.208.252 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1459449055 908933 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :we could use something like =for begin !\nHTML\n\n ... \n\n=for end ! < 1459449068 44872 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :which would be ignored by existing renderers < 1459449079 868836 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the text inside would be kept < 1459449118 932162 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can still do specific hacks like =for HTML\n