is valid HTML, AFAIK < 1459112565 684813 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or at least something a browser is expected to accept < 1459112870 112159 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :HTML is OK, and there is also XHTML which is more consistent than plain HTML < 1459112918 39826 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :XML is terrible for things other than text markup, but for stuff like HTML it would seem reasonable. < 1459113093 429278 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :XML is terrible for markup. XML is too there-are-multiple-ways-to-do-it. < 1459113125 582304 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there should be One Right Way™ to do markup, and it should be dutchly obvious. < 1459113315 170323 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :XML is more complicated than it should be, which is certainly true. < 1459113368 164442 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a certain fondness towards dosini. it Does the Job®. < 1459113403 13542 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :except, TOML fills in quite a few gaping holes dosini has. < 1459113450 381159 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :However also, XML is used for a lot of data where something else such as JSON or RDF or INI might work better. < 1459113539 409264 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :JSON has its own appeal, RDF is a horrible mangulation, and I already like INI. < 1459113578 93962 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did some JSON evangelism when it first got its hype, but then I got bitten too many times by poor support of numerical types. < 1459113632 185997 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :To be fair-ish, JSON *itself* doesn't have too bad a support for arbitrary numeric values. < 1459113657 622714 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just "any numeric value expressible in decimal notation". < 1459113680 604537 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Unfortunately, this then gets implemented poorly because that's only representable using arbitrary-precision decimal floats. < 1459113701 648949 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So in practice it's just "assume IEEE double". < 1459113709 37672 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :RDF is awful. < 1459113722 685504 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :INI's not bad, if only useful for a subset of things. < 1459113757 637671 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note that I refer to pure RDF without any OWL or other stuff like that. < 1459114214 232839 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom XML < 1459114229 214762 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/cat: : No such file or directory < 1459114239 970719 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? XML < 1459114241 194138 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :XML? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1459114449 581012 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in < 1459114929 693088 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`le/rn XML/XML stands for "X-treme Mega Language (of Awesomeness)" < 1459114930 894392 :mihow!~mihow@c-73-67-227-118.hsd1.or.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1459114935 991417 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned «xml» < 1459114959 454411 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That does not necessarily reflect my actual opinions on XML) < 1459114963 135435 :atrapado!~atrapado@unaffiliated/atrapado JOIN :#esoteric < 1459115015 981028 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :We should make a KRF < 1459115038 445837 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A TC one, no less < 1459115143 857574 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :With a combination of logic programming and CFG and JSON and stuff. With many, many types of object. < 1459115170 565300 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :KRF? Kool Rad Format? < 1459115214 940216 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: Yes, also known as a Knowledge Representation Format < 1459115442 137345 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only had 2/3 right. better luck next time... < 1459115459 14798 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: 1/3 < 1459115552 635934 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: Hm... what should the model of the knowledge base be? < 1459115662 653376 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'll design one based on relative values < 1459115684 14613 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Relative to reals, that is < 1459115774 887545 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :realatives. < 1459115793 73938 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2/3. I know my fractions, tyvm :D < 1459116438 368996 :MoALTz_!~no@78-11-183-124.static.ip.netia.com.pl NICK :MoALTz < 1459116448 732550 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have made up partial idea of "Macro-RDF", although no implementation currently exists. How it works is: A graph may contain macro nodes and/or macro literals, and macro processors will read such triples in order to create the graph which does not contain any macro nodes and macro literals. Macro nodes and macro literals use a new URI pseudoscheme called "macro:", like "view-source:" the scheme is followed by another URI. < 1459117296 17200 :MoALTz!~no@78-11-183-124.static.ip.netia.com.pl QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1459117309 285466 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Another storage format for arbitrary data is my own format called ARF (ASCII Records Format), although which involves non-printable characters which may mean a special editor is required.) < 1459117694 450230 :Draum!~Draum@79.142.224.208.prod.bolignet.dk JOIN :#esoteric < 1459117863 493299 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-faeytkiisaecjbor JOIN :#esoteric < 1459118119 307900 :Draum!~Draum@79.142.224.208.prod.bolignet.dk QUIT : < 1459118322 705397 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, actually using the ASCII record indicators? < 1459118684 974534 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1459118783 319032 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1459118854 589682 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(If you need to include the record indicators into the actual data being stored too for any reason, then they must be escaped by a "data link escape" character.) < 1459119411 954249 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does Xlib have any support for "reverse connections"? < 1459119427 690814 :lynn!~lynn@unaffiliated/lynn QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1459119450 731476 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Support for reverse connections does not affect the protocol in any way.) < 1459119512 414318 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :"All Europeans"? Huh? < 1459119526 706290 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have I been here all this time? < 1459119542 406311 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone's been all the places they have been at when then. < 1459119554 62317 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh? < 1459119583 787465 :mihow!~mihow@c-73-67-227-118.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459119610 881229 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I already made up a programming language more basic than BASIC, so now I'm thinking up a programming language more basic than that. < 1459119778 769652 :MDude!~MDude@pa-67-234-117-223.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm imagining you working on a programming language that's written via finger painting. < 1459119805 177459 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :analog piet! < 1459119851 897166 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask ais523 Is the new Template:Cnw a copy of the previously deleted template on Wikipedia? (Template:= is clearly identical, but I think that's too short to be copyright. And X2 is something else entirely.) < 1459119852 27532 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1459119912 712260 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1459119924 613145 :MDude!~MDude@pa-67-234-117-223.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does the more basic than basic language have any kind of system for graphics and such? < 1459119943 652938 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :analog piet? you mean it's like an actual drawing instead of array of pixels? < 1459119953 689404 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, not really. < 1459119976 917711 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it could if it was like Piet. < 1459120001 173356 :lynn!~lynn@unaffiliated/lynn JOIN :#esoteric < 1459120024 659249 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: the topic does not imply anything about whether you're European or not. but if you are, welcome to the future! < 1459120048 224940 :MDude!~MDude@pa-67-234-117-223.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd think part of what made Basic so basic is that it was originally made for a very simple environment. < 1459120060 604760 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i think americans may have entered the future some weeks ago.) < 1459120064 444288 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, okay < 1459120085 629659 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: Perhaps. < 1459120121 300350 :atrapado!~atrapado@unaffiliated/atrapado QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1459120149 238430 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: But it does imply that Europeans weren't in the future beforehand. Which is true, because they were in the present. In fact, everyone's in the present right now. Ignoring relativity. < 1459120179 409532 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: americans have been in the future for ~240 years < 1459120182 846254 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :usa usa usa < 1459120194 194487 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :240? < 1459120195 613243 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION considers what a language more forth than FORTH would be.
< 1459120202 283678 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, it must be a bad future then. < 1459120233 447246 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :are any ideas forthcoming? < 1459120234 45997 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Remember - entropy increases with time. So you are basically saying America has a high disorder. < 1459120271 808555 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a closed system maybe < 1459120276 991837 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :we offload our entropy to other countries < 1459120303 640120 :MDude!~MDude@pa-67-234-117-223.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :We're in the future in the sense that what we experience is the past due to our brains taking time to process their senses. < 1459120312 412912 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's true too. < 1459120335 761648 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :People that have moved at high velocities for longer are in the past. I think. < 1459120352 756064 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, in the past. < 1459120517 10173 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1459120555 588084 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently russia has been stuck in the past since 2014. < 1459120598 595326 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you mean? < 1459120600 734180 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :after being stuck in the future since 2011. < 1459120653 986751 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: they're clocks have not been adjusted forward since then hth < 1459120657 913959 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*their < 1459120687 658869 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION takes out the muphryscope and starts hunting
< 1459120707 721767 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION thinks rdococ might get stuck in confusion if he keeps up
< 1459120717 178458 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Jägerørjan is Hunting! < 1459120754 829332 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :muphryscope, misspelled as appropriate < 1459120789 255429 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :my clock gets adjusted forward every second < 1459120922 202629 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1459120929 482548 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they forgot about dst < 1459120948 775006 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :was watching a video < 1459121000 31983 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : we offload our entropy to other countries <-- http://narbonic.com/comic/december-4-9-2006/ strip 4, panel 2 hth < 1459121066 269312 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :precisely tdh < 1459121128 237329 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :basic, basicer, and now, um, basicerer < 1459121148 759365 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe a data tree < 1459121306 358180 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: high five! < 1459121393 202671 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, that reminds me to Asimov's "The gods themselves" in which they also destroy other universes to make this universe survive < 1459121420 546245 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : muphryscope, misspelled as appropriate <-- what misspelling i think you are confused hth < 1459121466 673890 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I dunno, what's a muphryscope, what does it do and how do you spell it? < 1459121495 332233 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a scope for finding muphry, so he can be properly punished for slipping misspellings into my irc lines hth < 1459121551 127222 :lynn_!~lynn@unaffiliated/lynn JOIN :#esoteric < 1459121571 509377 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: is that where they ensure humanity is the only intelligence in the galaxy? < 1459121590 561933 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: no < 1459121611 837346 :mihow!~mihow@c-73-67-227-118.hsd1.or.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1459121615 620100 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: the one you're thinking is probably either "The End of Eternity" or "Foundation and Earth" < 1459121623 246613 :lynn!~lynn@unaffiliated/lynn QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1459121633 643255 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the former rings a bell. and the second i think referred to that. < 1459121641 297999 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*the latter i think < 1459121659 612694 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(of those, i've only actually _read_ foundation and earth, mind you.) < 1459121659 743330 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: "The gods themselves" is the one with aliens and sex and alien sex < 1459121670 562670 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and as such, unusual from Asimov) < 1459121674 781442 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1459121680 585465 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, really! < 1459121722 100523 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i know he doesn't usually have aliens, that was like the point < 1459121793 879048 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :he rarely wrote about aliens, but there are a few times he did, the best one probably being "Blind alley", although that one isn't good because of the aliens, but because of a human character. < 1459121932 139224 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and he rarely wrote about sex, but there's a few other cases like "The robots of Dawn". < 1459121952 513703 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was an instance in either foundation and earth or the predecessor, though. < 1459121976 8732 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :when the protagonist visited corporellon. < 1459122000 602623 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you talking about "The robots of Dawn"? that's the predecessor of "Robots and Empire" < 1459122004 29462 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i must be misspelling that. < 1459122009 233885 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"corporellon"? < 1459122011 397701 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's that? < 1459122033 325961 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The robots of Dawn" also has robot sex < 1459122047 865195 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one is easier because Asimov wrote a lot about robots < 1459122051 40954 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1459122063 781478 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the robot sex isn't described much < 1459122068 452013 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :has anyone tried to ever make a mechanical tree < 1459122069 390133 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's only part of the story, but never shown < 1459122081 838006 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :only a very little of the foreplay is described < 1459122126 737233 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it was comporellon < 1459122130 131404 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :a mechanical tree? I would guess some Holywood film producers probably tried to order some, in order to play walking trees or treefolk (ents, treants) in live action movies < 1459122137 528465 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it was foundation and earth. < 1459122151 246977 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :comporellon... that rings a bell, isn't it in one of the earlier Foundation novels? < 1459122160 573856 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, a planet or something < 1459122187 378486 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :@b_jonas I mean mechanical trees that actually work < 1459122187 512739 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1459122204 54607 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's = baleyworld, the first non-spacer world < 1459122275 40530 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: i recall someone hypothesizing making something tree-like that could extract CO2 more efficiently than real trees < 1459122308 189612 :MDude!~MDude@pa-67-234-117-223.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that might not be too hard, actually? < 1459122329 394613 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am writing a document for TVMIDI, and then hopefully some TV set top boxes and a few other devices could be made to implement it. < 1459122347 330462 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: I think it would be hard, at least if you want it to extract CO2 more efficiently than algae too < 1459122347 702713 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I'm trying to make an order theory KRF :) < 1459122347 833246 :MDude!~MDude@pa-67-234-117-223.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since if you could somehow take genes from bacteria that are more fficient and get trees to use them, I think that'd do it. < 1459122357 597245 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have read very little asimov beyond the foundation novels he wrote himself. naked sun is one other book. < 1459122380 122624 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :a mechanical tree could convert carbon dioxide and heat into carbon and oxygen if they don't need glucose < 1459122384 226052 :MDude!~MDude@pa-67-234-117-223.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought the idea was to bring trees closer to algae level rather than surpassing them. < 1459122398 793215 :MDude!~MDude@pa-67-234-117-223.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though i guess for that we could jsut se tup algae plants. < 1459122447 342270 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :a solar powered machine that breaks carbon dioxide into carbon and oxygen, and looks like a tree. of course, it isn't an exact replication, but eh, who needs glucose? < 1459122450 180529 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: Hi! < 1459122453 614667 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :hpp! < 1459122462 162394 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: Haven't seen you in a while! < 1459122481 510812 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: anyway, golan trevize had sex with the (mayor?) on comporellon, although wikipedia doesn't mention that detail. < 1459122519 577827 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'unno, I'd certainly like having glucose generation. < 1459122523 511943 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Glucose is useful. < 1459122528 1850 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't even mention her afaics < 1459122555 159256 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is? < 1459122568 116462 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: and water. but it's not that easy in the real world. if you just want something that breaks down the carbon dioxide to breathable air for a short term spaceship or underwater voyage, that is solved. but such a device isn't reusable, and making it uses up lots of resources, and indirectly uses up much more oxygen than it can ever create, so it doesn't work in large scale. < 1459122602 822865 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: why would it need oxygen? it's a machine that would run on solar power < 1459122614 839216 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: unless solar panels need it < 1459122615 443761 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :TVMIDI does not support cable boxes with more than 16384 channels, although I have never seen any with more than 10000 channels (numbered 0 to 9999); if you have seen any then please tell me. < 1459122623 58838 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I don't know, I'm not really familiar with Foundation's edge and Foudation and Earth < 1459122653 470505 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: because this is the real world, and there's a good reason even the single-celled algae are so complicated things < 1459122685 566244 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :“solar powered” sounds nice, but it's not a magic free lunch recipe < 1459122797 549132 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmm lunch < 1459122840 617764 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1459123306 962525 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_dioxide_removal#Direct_air_capture < 1459123314 814450 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1459123328 709166 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is currently editing that a tiny bit
< 1459123565 282206 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Beeswax14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46665&oldid=46374 5* 03Albedo 5* (+49) 10/* Program flow control/conditional operations */ instruction 'Q' added < 1459123573 491514 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1459123576 607630 :bender|!~benderpc@58.146.138.197 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1459123618 743339 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm maybe i should have just used an anchor to start with. < 1459123648 50977 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :they need to make sure they're not to effective, or else people with them in enclosed spaces will end up dying of too much oxygen < 1459123687 730569 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh, I hate how HackEgo links to the diff page but not to the article itself < 1459123727 25130 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: Agreed < 1459123732 966905 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, what about a 2d programming language in polar coordinates? < 1459123755 749126 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Beeswax14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46666&oldid=46665 5* 03Albedo 5* (+102) 10/* Global stack related I/O */ instruction V explanation extended < 1459123779 610438 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :or a 0d programming language < 1459123785 925142 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :or -1d < 1459123828 787975 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :what would negative information be like anyway < 1459123840 712446 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :negative information would subtract information, right < 1459123843 874442 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: you don't die from too much oxygen. it can pose some fire hazard to flammable objects, but it doesn't just kill you. space stations and some diving equipment use air with a much higher oxygen content than the atmosphere, and it doesn't hurt people. you die to higher carbon dioxide content, or lower oxygen content. < 1459123860 811903 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION drops that edit
< 1459123908 275710 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :hyperoxia < 1459123933 757008 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxygen_toxicity < 1459123948 57395 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :from a quick read of the first paragraph or two < 1459123955 777981 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it's exactly what I mean < 1459123960 675878 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the problem might still hold < 1459123989 13680 :lleu!~gnomebad@cpc15-croy20-2-0-cust489.croy.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459123989 144158 :lleu!~gnomebad@cpc15-croy20-2-0-cust489.croy.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Changing host < 1459123989 144282 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu JOIN :#esoteric < 1459123995 171839 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.sciencefocus.com/qa/why-does-breathing-pure-oxygen-kill-you < 1459124013 481509 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently, breathing pure oxygen is deadly < 1459124034 365786 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :yet wikipedia says people can breathe pure oxygen without dying < 1459124036 262030 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :who's right < 1459124037 65670 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1459124178 665897 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about a... < 1459124181 289249 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :programmeing language < 1459124203 6784 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: Where? < 1459124221 773997 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :google says a programme is "a planned series of future events", as opposed to "program" < 1459124253 180117 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess a programme is just a linear program < 1459124266 818516 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that takes the fun out of it < 1459124278 247305 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :we must get people to programme programmes in a programmeing language < 1459124378 352528 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :print hello world at 1:20 on 28/03/2016 < 1459124401 361989 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello world < 1459124403 106040 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Beeswax14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46667&oldid=46666 5* 03Albedo 5* (+118) 10Introduction extended < 1459124496 88449 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1459124632 880360 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is an example of a programme -> "I will say "hello world" at 3:20 PM on 29/03/2016. Then the user will say "hello programme". If all goes according to plan, I will say "yay"." < 1459124634 728215 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : who's right <-- iiuc 100% oxygen is harmless if the pressure is low enough <-- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxygen_toxicity#Hypobaric_setting < 1459124639 609051 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*-<-- < 1459124645 38397 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends how low the pressure has to be < 1459124654 421153 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.3 bar, it says < 1459124657 497165 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :see < 1459124664 248205 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :at 1 bar, rip < 1459124667 26009 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: ok, maybe it can hurt you a bit < 1459124678 635625 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :rip at 1 bar < 1459124720 577993 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :"breathing oxygen at pressures of 0.5 bar or more for more than 16 hours can lead to irreversible lung damage and, eventually, death." < 1459124724 148693 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :death < 1459124725 310963 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :rip < 1459124726 408956 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :nada < 1459124728 289930 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This general property of gases is also true in chemical reactions of gases in biology. For example, the necessary amount of oxygen for human respiration, and the amount that is toxic, is set by the partial pressure of oxygen alone. This is true across a very wide range of different concentrations of oxygen present in various inhaled breathing gases or dissolved in blood." < 1459124738 280101 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partial_pressure < 1459124742 341324 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :pressure < 1459124760 198916 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :note that "partial" is important here < 1459124768 703285 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :partial pressure? < 1459124782 37018 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's the pressure of one part of a mixed gas? < 1459124789 482006 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :approximately. < 1459124796 720782 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or essentially. < 1459124806 691469 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1459124825 820049 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :In a mixture of gases, each gas has a partial pressure which is the hypothetical pressure of that gas if it alone occupied the volume of the mixture at the same temperature. The total pressure of an ideal gas mixture is the sum of the partial pressures of each individual gas in the mixture. < 1459124830 554164 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ty wikipedia < 1459124836 257772 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :explained it better than anyone else could < 1459124848 955661 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was just about to paste that. < 1459124854 128345 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh lol < 1459124890 298656 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :a program would be like a game where you can win or lose, a programme would be like a game where things go as planned, or they don;t < 1459124949 309276 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : I guess a programme is just a linear program <-- that's just british vs. american, at least originally. < 1459124963 552968 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about a programming language where your program is just a platforming level < 1459125253 97656 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm using their british meaning < 1459125334 869177 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"UK: programme is used in all cases except for computer code, in which case program is generally used. Older sources may use programme for computer code." < 1459125344 263208 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/program#English < 1459125388 545621 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION looks suspiciously at rdococ's cloak
< 1459125392 209927 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly < 1459125404 412048 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :duh, why did you think I took notice of the all europeans thing < 1459125408 870767 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, just get with the programme < 1459125432 752272 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: hey you could be from new zealand. or madagascar. < 1459125472 124295 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"New Zealand: programme is favoured by New Zealand dictionaries, and is endorsed by government usage; program is rarely seen outside the computing meaning." < 1459125505 675742 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the australians are conflicted: "Australia: program is endorsed by the Australian government, but programme is most common." < 1459125521 808867 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :well program is more usually used for program code, and programme rarely < 1459125539 407916 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :so programme not code < 1459125920 789972 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :either way, I mean the definition that is not program < 1459126024 88964 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY < 1459126033 922377 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? gazpacho < 1459126050 781236 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You like Gazpacho and I like Gaspacho. Let's call the whole thing off! < 1459126067 56877 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? noooodl < 1459126075 534459 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooooooodl is the correct spelling < 1459126086 725001 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? nooga < 1459126088 878968 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. < 1459126105 930280 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? lynn < 1459126106 687368 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lynn? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1459126264 996802 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1459126280 798433 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :so a programmeing language would allow you to make programmes < 1459126295 957634 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if something doesn't go according to plan < 1459126296 662097 :lynn_!~lynn@unaffiliated/lynn NICK :lynn < 1459126300 943789 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :you must have a backup plan < 1459126304 307404 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :or else error < 1459126393 194583 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :errorre < 1459126398 717920 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and planne < 1459126400 999283 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lynn: hellynn. you don't have a wisdom entry. and that's terrible hth < 1459126410 754984 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjanne. < 1459126428 475057 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? maur < 1459126429 312086 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maur? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1459126437 800606 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: technically she has at least two hth < 1459126474 770665 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjanne would be female. also exceedingly cheesy. < 1459126489 409210 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION checks if anyone has that name
< 1459126517 865818 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mwah ah ah. < 1459126542 419778 :lynn!~lynn@unaffiliated/lynn PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: boilut~ < 1459126570 55957 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i find it used as a hashtag for a wedding... < 1459126589 719089 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not as an actual name. < 1459126597 404961 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm time to check ssb < 1459126646 247824 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :< 4 persons by that name, it says < 1459126675 706470 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would likely not be a legal name, at least for children. < 1459126692 8034 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it is legal for adults? excellent! < 1459126696 771868 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(< 4 might include 0) < 1459126732 714464 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although everyone would _understand_ it as someone's misguided attempt to regender "Ørjan". < 1459126902 689 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :first cognate hit i find is "Jørgine", 78 women. (vs. "Jørgen", 10999 men.) < 1459126945 47630 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :those women are probably old, most of them. < 1459126983 264891 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION checks Ørjanine just for good measure
< 1459127018 210733 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this ørjanine treads dangerously close to one infamous orange soda brand... < 1459127035 614529 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh "William" was last year's top boy's name in norway < 1459127094 778494 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in Oslo, "Mohammad" stays put at the top :P < 1459127188 611161 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Oh, I thought that entry was removed but if course it's under mauri. < 1459127196 190061 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the topic of names and gender, I'm surprised at how people always talk about how some things portray women as objects, but not the things that portray men as objects. also, in a programming environment, both are objects. < 1459127210 235571 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :lynn: Should wisdom/mauri be removed? < 1459127226 452614 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"don't be an object, program in haskell!" < 1459127238 538943 :lynn!~lynn@unaffiliated/lynn PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: That'd be nice < 1459127294 563517 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if everything was a function < 1459127314 902656 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : so it is legal for adults? excellent! <-- i'm not sure exactly what the law is these days. < 1459127346 631753 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 is actually function (getPredecessor?) if getPredecessor? then return 0 end end < 1459127361 202563 :MDude!~MDude@pa-67-234-117-223.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you have combinatory logic? < 1459127369 572174 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :probsably < 1459127372 742267 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, are you an object? < 1459127372 910686 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: i tried to say that: ( ( foo xxx)) yyy) ( ( y x) < 1459127375 834613 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it looks different < 1459127386 382241 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: I don't understand that < 1459127386 512557 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: i am fnord making conversation. it is < 1459127392 13333 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rm wisdom/mauri < 1459127396 638021 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: yes, you are. < 1459127396 872142 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: the original fnord code and fnord cyclexa asap, and i couldn't put down to simple ignorance of specific facts about canada. < 1459127398 505023 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1459127416 422875 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :lynn: How about nooodl? < 1459127457 309543 :lynn!~lynn@unaffiliated/lynn PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel like that's a classic <3 < 1459127465 969088 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: there are no facts about Canada. < 1459127466 99385 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: see the announcement on c.l.s. < 1459127484 6276 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :c.l.s.... that would be Comp Lang Scheme, right? < 1459127492 466318 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? object < 1459127493 698837 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :An object is just something in a category. < 1459127495 81391 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: i don't see how that definition would work for 0 and getPredecessor? seems redundant anyway. < 1459127507 679625 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :just use church numerals. < 1459127518 932620 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: true < 1459127524 999833 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 = function () end < 1459127531 147784 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 = function () return 0 end < 1459127535 843132 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 = function () return 1 end < 1459127563 378544 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :successor = function (x) return function () return x end end < 1459127576 893233 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: what about hypothetical facts? < 1459127593 149119 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :add = function (x, y) return -- umm < 1459127611 939526 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: then they are certain facts, as they are hypotehtically correct, eh? < 1459127658 793579 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :or < 1459127661 994754 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 = {} < 1459127662 320271 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: i'm just saying, how would you call such a function in such a way that you could distinguish 0 from 1 < 1459127664 267644 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 = {0} < 1459127677 717047 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :function (x) return x end < 1459127679 635083 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :jk < 1459127689 573555 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :false = function () return false end < 1459127694 850883 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :true = function () return true end < 1459127711 409132 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :function equals(x, y) return -- umm < 1459127714 632078 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: a Tautological Functional Language < 1459127726 271344 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :use binary to make computations more efficient! < 1459127737 563856 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could be done with almost every type < 1459127738 684132 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :array < 1459127741 450786 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :function < 1459127745 706177 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :banana < 1459127747 637258 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jellonas. correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't we doing that already? < 1459127755 2739 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :BANANA! < 1459127756 312740 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: like "Ottawa would be the capital of Canada, if Canada existed." < 1459127765 480129 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: point on. < 1459127769 991855 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :canada exists < 1459127773 409631 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :reference implementation: http://www.math.bme.hu/~ambrus/pu/Bin.hs < 1459127774 533566 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's true < 1459127778 246368 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :technically true < 1459127798 700656 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1459127800 426881 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: do you also think rdococ has trouble fitting in with the channel humor tdnh < 1459127833 624282 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: basically yes. we're actually using a higher radix (2**16 or 2**32 or 2**64) and arithmetic on digits of that size is built in, but the goal is the same, achieving efficiency with it < 1459127834 958253 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what? I understood the logical humor perfectly - he said a statement which didn't assume something it's safe to assume < 1459127851 743394 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(even without specific support for digits, base 4 would probably be more efficient than base 2) < 1459127875 920594 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION mapoles rdococ a bit to realign his chäkräs
< 1459127884 595781 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :chakwhat < 1459127893 841234 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :mapoles? < 1459127897 794131 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION realigns rdococ some more
< 1459127901 525288 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? mapole < 1459127902 582744 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A mapole is a thwackamacallit built from maple according to Canadian standards. The army version includes a spork, a corkscrew and a moose whistle. A regulatory mapole measures 6' by 12 kg, ±0.5 inHg. < 1459127912 824843 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? chäkrä < 1459127913 703625 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :chäkrä? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1459127913 834064 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :function = function () return function end < 1459127915 826479 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? maple < 1459127916 875084 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maple? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1459127919 127369 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellolsner! < 1459127920 937149 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops, scrolled way up < 1459127928 94565 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :anything = function () return anything end < 1459127935 41617 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: I like diæresises. < 1459127950 796269 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? diæresises < 1459127951 820943 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :diæresises? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1459127959 582825 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :pls tell me what these words mean < 1459127976 282454 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? function < 1459127977 46809 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :function? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1459127977 906246 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? fun < 1459127978 941086 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1459127979 842339 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? fn < 1459127980 777943 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fn? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1459127982 808322 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: I think it's diaereses < 1459127986 650878 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously? < 1459127997 554700 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :we need entries for those < 1459128002 178452 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? lambda < 1459128002 981314 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambda? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1459128006 450623 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? sub < 1459128007 337395 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sub? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1459128008 665866 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :who's we here? < 1459128010 415640 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511664.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote oren < 1459128011 914421 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1225) when i was a kid it used to snow on christmas eve. what is this "freezing rain", "sleet" crap? yeah seriously, who is evn in charge anymore? apparently not santa claus Santa Claus is dead by now. \ 1226) <{\[oren]|}> ｚｚｏ３８：ｉｔ　ｗｉｌｌ　ｃａｕｓｅ　ｐｒｏｂｌｅｍｓ　ｂｙ < 1459128012 620747 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? subroutine < 1459128013 440607 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :subroutine? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1459128014 782804 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't need entries for those. < 1459128017 958587 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? proc < 1459128018 679376 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :proc? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1459128022 513890 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? procedure < 1459128023 509769 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :procedure? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1459128024 907397 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Come on, this is getting a bit botspammy even for this channel. < 1459128026 907976 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511664.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote diarrea < 1459128027 698945 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1459128032 826344 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? subprogram < 1459128033 673812 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :subprogram? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1459128036 8869 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511664.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote e with dia < 1459128036 732045 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1250) I'm making a new font. I'm up to the capital E with diarhea < 1459128069 311737 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Maples are the sacred trees of Canada, from which a true Canadian can make anything. < 1459128072 780654 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'maple': Maples are the sacred trees of Canada, from which a true Canadian can make anything. < 1459128108 255805 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511664.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote ｐｒｏｂｌｅｍｓ < 1459128109 168739 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1226) <{\[oren]|}> ｚｚｏ３８：ｉｔ　ｗｉｌｌ　ｃａｕｓｅ　ｐｒｏｂｌｅｍｓ　ｂｙ　ｂｅｉｎｇ　ｈｉｌａｒｉｏｕｓ < 1459128153 545295 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: are true canadians similar to true scotsmen < 1459128166 134084 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :a true canadian can make anything from maples? < 1459128169 68199 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about computers < 1459128172 811605 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :or turing machines < 1459128177 180153 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :or tesseracts < 1459128208 219035 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511664.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :canadian computers use asbestos as the substrate < 1459128211 335030 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: definitely. < 1459128213 513479 :mihow!~mihow@c-73-67-227-118.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459128247 583204 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, substrate is almost an anagram of asbestos < 1459128263 138683 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can get b < 1459128267 538835 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. asbestrus < 1459128269 505928 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can get asbestos in maples? < 1459128270 20579 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you aren't seeing things. simply a coincidence. happens all the time. la la la ♪ < 1459128291 975298 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map sort ["asbestos","substrate"] < 1459128293 389179 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : ["abeossst","aberssttu"] < 1459128341 465375 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :> sort "asbestur" < 1459128343 279292 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : "abersstu" < 1459128348 725785 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: is there a problem? < 1459128415 739535 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I almost typoed that as "substrate is almost an anagram of substrate" < 1459128445 84721 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511664.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: it's a joke because canada is a major producer of asbestos < 1459128456 711797 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost is almost an anagram of asbestos < 1459128481 570948 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :sobstate < 1459128495 258448 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :as the saying goes, the best os is asbestos < 1459128496 162325 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are no nefarious plans behind anything you might conjecture tonight. < 1459128532 806903 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :new, Array Language! 0 = [] 1 = [[]] okay this is getting old < 1459128536 355436 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1459128597 581457 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 = function () return 0 end, vs 1 = [0] < 1459128853 359770 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :add = function (x, y) return ifequal(y, function () end, x, add(function () return x end, y())) end -- what is ifequal(x, y, trueReturn, falseReturn)? < 1459128908 533169 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ifequal = function (x, x, trueReturn, falseReturn) return true end < 1459128919 474336 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :nil would be function () end() < 1459128924 626000 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :nil = function () end() < 1459128929 860382 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, it works < 1459128930 440708 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1459128932 622768 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1459128934 480926 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :not < 1459128936 105910 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1459128937 350077 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :nevermind < 1459129015 361101 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION 's chäkräs have been realigned
< 1459129026 623272 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION thinks so anyway
< 1459129053 532030 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have ^^ < 1459129082 663403 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :now attaining SUPER SPIRITUAL POWER < 1459129096 349700 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION can now transform into SUPER RDOCOC
< 1459129117 115586 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, there are as many chäkräs as there are chaos emeralds < 1459129199 265539 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :The noun tautology originates from the Greek word tautologos, meaning “repeating what is said.” < 1459129201 494008 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :definitely < 1459129233 466764 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :function () return function () return function (x, y) return function (z) return z end end end end < 1459129242 247575 :mihow!~mihow@c-73-67-227-118.hsd1.or.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1459129295 363378 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-088-076-099-072.088.076.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Quit: Terminated < 1459129332 52916 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-088-076-099-072.088.076.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1459129332 183291 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-088-076-099-072.088.076.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Client Quit < 1459129335 463461 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tautologos it is < 1459129369 999620 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-088-076-099-072.088.076.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1459129375 995674 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever happened to the editor? < 1459129387 154223 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :none of the editing things bold, italic etc show up but I can still use them < 1459130379 786251 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: with my psychic powers i can see that the answer is... gremlins! < 1459130557 369560 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1459130850 873781 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2016! finally got to January 2016! < 1459130879 28992 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION GLASSWORK CHICKEN
< 1459130892 478258 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION meant /quit. fried brain and all that sort of thing...
< 1459130898 477415 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: GLASSWORK CHICKEN < 1459130979 25788 :Melvar`!~melvar@dslb-084-062-097-181.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1459131066 538605 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ds01-214-177.dynamic.mtsallstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459131069 990992 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-088-076-099-072.088.076.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1459131087 809036 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459131090 298173 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-076-099-072.088.076.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1459131210 784999 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm designing a language that compiles to JS, HTML, and CSS. I'm currently at functions, and I've come up with what I feel is a clever way to efficiently do curried functions while targeting JavaScript, with the bonus of keyword arguments < 1459131217 622467 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Implicit Lambdas < 1459131260 15857 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Given foo :: Int -> Float -> String -> Bool < 1459131271 713330 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And variable-length arguments < 1459131309 464109 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can do something like bar = foo(\2, \1, "walrus") to get a functions bar :: Float -> Int -> Bool < 1459131333 453473 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you can partially apply foo with bar = foo(9, 2.7| < 1459131359 742911 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then bar("s") == foo(9, 2.7, "s") < 1459131373 896014 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not as pretty as Haskell, but it gets the job done(R) < 1459131384 26044 :jaboja!~jaboja@vps.jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1459131580 976775 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1459131612 9473 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459131629 589416 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh. I can't get HexChat to autoreplace (R) to the registered trademark symbol < 1459132042 480118 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: use the compose key < 1459132048 249899 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :compose + o + r < 1459132051 90931 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :® < 1459132067 773089 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1459132302 717979 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT : < 1459132476 299259 :impomatic!~impomatic@129.26.125.91.dyn.plus.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1459132787 432426 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here is a part of TVMIDI specification: http://zzo38computer.org/textfile/miscellaneous/TVMIDI < 1459132828 222208 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please tell me any comment/question/suggestion/complaint. < 1459133165 17616 :jaboja!~jaboja@vps.jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1459133743 432712 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459134066 961602 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459134792 717738 :earendel!~earendel@unaffiliated/earendel QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1459135135 429623 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-faeytkiisaecjbor QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1459135407 776776 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rotary Turing Machine < 1459135418 371783 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like a turing machine, but instead of a tape it's a spindle with rotors < 1459135445 584419 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you can only transition the symbol to one of two other symbols (or one other symbol) < 1459135448 738864 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :MUCH more stupid < 1459135457 176372 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Brainfuck is a good example) < 1459135809 461473 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not tc < 1459135816 280575 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not a turing machine < 1459136203 35891 :lynn!~lynn@unaffiliated/lynn QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1459136365 979083 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: It isn't, correct. < 1459136397 236851 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: Though if you allow the symbol to have no transition, it's at least TC for binary < 1459136418 198686 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because no transition is x -> x, while transition is x -> ~x < 1459136492 681164 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And since whether a transition is taken is based off of the current symbol, you can make sure it maps to the correct symbol < 1459136493 572184 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1459136507 780837 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: What what? < 1459136528 886964 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :"TC for binary" <- what does this mean? < 1459136562 543710 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: *for a binary alphabet < 1459136575 378955 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: Forgot to say "alphabet" < 1459136624 190657 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: Because a 3-state binary TM is TC, so a 3-state rotary TM with a no-transition option and a binary alphabet is also TC < 1459136644 370578 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :bullshit < 1459136658 734862 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :your memory is finite < 1459136676 222674 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: Did I not imply that the spindle is infinite? < 1459136686 813616 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: It's not just one rotor, it's an infinite spindle of rotors < 1459136702 998713 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: I thought I said that... < 1459136705 843267 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see, we're back to the usual nonsense < 1459136711 822971 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: Yeah, we are < 1459136723 900903 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: I was thinking about the Enigma, so I came up with this < 1459136761 750941 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: Be glad it doesn't have rollover. < 1459136771 249606 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :please stop highlighting me < 1459136776 709850 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1459136785 698817 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(There's also the switchboard machine, which is most certainly not turing-complete) < 1459136804 65588 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I almost highlighted you with "OK" xD) < 1459136818 432076 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would have ignored you < 1459136874 622495 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would have been by mistaek < 1459136879 612404 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was an accident. < 1459137239 853814 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07The Abstract Computer14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46668&oldid=46637 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+0) 10Capitalization < 1459138229 249420 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ds01-214-177.dynamic.mtsallstream.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1459139115 970816 :earendel!~earendel@unaffiliated/earendel JOIN :#esoteric < 1459139200 471605 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vbayautyvayufxmu JOIN :#esoteric < 1459142687 994083 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://mathoverflow.net/a/53738 < 1459143654 218941 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have seen that before < 1459144276 912104 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know it's a good day when your upgrade includes the Erlang manpages < 1459144282 521697 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :when you haven't touched erlang in years < 1459144418 447413 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511664.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :erlang sounds like a language based on indecision < 1459144434 463419 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511664.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh... er... eeeh... < 1459144453 144092 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should make that language < 1459144460 13986 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can be called Errlang < 1459144466 298554 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that you think it's about error handling < 1459144478 674673 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :what should the syntax be like? errr < 1459144555 472824 :mihow!~mihow@c-73-67-227-118.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459144654 143696 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511664.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's like what if an "if" statement actually executes both paths and then decides which one to kkep at the end? < 1459144669 578120 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511664.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's indecisive < 1459144725 857838 :lambda-11235!~lambda-11@47.208.113.50 QUIT :Quit: Bye < 1459144730 634450 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511664.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`metar CYYZ < 1459144744 205565 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: metar: not found < 1459144745 693667 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: hah! I'm not near YYZ < 1459144753 685370 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511664.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar CYYZ < 1459144754 5209 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYYZ 280555Z 06003KT 15SM TS SCT035CB OVC100 08/04 A2964 RMK CB3AC5 FRQT LTGIC W-NW PRESFR SLP044 < 1459144774 39390 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(CYKF is closer to my usual haunt anyway) < 1459144820 934145 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511664.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm in yyz and i was wondering if the rumble I just heard was thunder or some asshole's loud bike < 1459144845 44203 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1459144847 471295 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are you in yyz? < 1459144853 652656 :deltab!~deltab@cpc1-smal2-0-0-cust155.19-1.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1459144978 30619 :deltab!~deltab@cpc1-smal2-0-0-cust155.19-1.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459145019 377970 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511664.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :i live in yyz < 1459145162 407590 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar ENVA < 1459145162 683128 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :ENVA 280550Z 15018KT CAVOK 07/M03 Q0995 NOSIG RMK WIND 670FT 16022KT < 1459145395 501830 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: wait really < 1459145398 817015 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :why have we never met up < 1459145446 785261 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar KOAK < 1459145447 57117 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :KOAK 280553Z 27011KT 10SM SCT160 13/07 A3002 RMK AO2 SLP164 T01330067 10167 20128 58001 < 1459145454 741738 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar KSEA < 1459145455 1807 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :KSEA 280553Z 16004KT 10SM FEW060 05/03 A3010 RMK AO2 SLP202 60007 T00500033 10100 20050 51011 < 1459147813 193660 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1459148505 202764 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :A chess problem: 1r5K/6PP/8/8/8/1k4q1/6P1/8 = < 1459149059 770865 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1459149091 347033 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another one: 8/5KP1/7k/8/6P1/8/8/8 #3 < 1459149927 843929 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459151443 297798 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459151552 214578 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It isn't very complicated) < 1459151691 294270 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1459151779 770089 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1459153154 625306 :mihow!~mihow@c-73-67-227-118.hsd1.or.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1459153548 226298 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1459156188 302961 :Reece`!~nothing@cpc4-wiga13-2-0-cust799.18-3.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459157807 666574 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1459159309 147757 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :A book called "Encyclopedia of absolute and relative knowledge" contains some lies about chess. It claims that Chaturanga is an ancestor of chess, cards, and dominoes, and that it used dice with four symbols of four Indian castes: swords=warriors, sticks=peasants, cups=priests, coins=merchants. It also claims that the four card suits are somehow linked to the four DNA nucleotides. < 1459159537 669218 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1459159708 197823 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course that is complete nonsense. Indian cards do not use Latin suits, and the game of Chaturanga does not even use dice. (A different game, called Chaturaji, does use dice, although they have the numbers 2 to 5 and not the Latin card suits.) < 1459159847 43601 :bender|!benderpc@2404:e800:e61a:41d:913f:4d6f:1813:5363 JOIN :#esoteric < 1459161676 988602 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1459162298 930201 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459162555 953065 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1459164634 872572 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe, “check each bean individually” < 1459165853 989672 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1459165964 652876 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1459166643 894161 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :more loke encyclopedia of absolute stupidity < 1459166911 897188 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :like* < 1459167230 288287 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to think of how to do an ifEqual(x, y, trueCase, falseCase) in Tautologos < 1459167276 623911 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-084-062-097-181.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1459167320 239200 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? stupidity < 1459167340 244649 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? intelligence < 1459167342 332121 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :what part of "relative knowledge" is so hard to understand? < 1459167347 228404 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION runs.
< 1459167349 911070 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh < 1459167358 334643 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :relative knowledge is fake? < 1459167375 609642 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupidity? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1459167375 742639 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :intelligence? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1459167381 552212 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1459167409 569477 :Melvar`!~melvar@dslb-084-062-097-181.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de NICK :Melvar < 1459167428 335596 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Intelligence is a scarce resource that is distributed by the CIA. < 1459167429 175881 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe there is an alternate universe < 1459167433 232444 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'intelligence': Intelligence is a scarce resource that is distributed by the CIA. < 1459167457 482864 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? cia < 1459167458 465004 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cia? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1459167466 386739 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION shrugs
< 1459167476 111240 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Stupidity is created when people are too lazy to think correctly. < 1459167478 800809 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'stupidity': Stupidity is created when people are too lazy to think correctly. < 1459167632 306902 :liu!~liu@117.41.246.6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1459169256 663815 :lynn!~lynn@unaffiliated/lynn JOIN :#esoteric < 1459169349 119230 :liu!~liu@117.41.246.6 QUIT :Quit: 离开 < 1459170212 620172 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-084-062-097-181.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Quit: Terminated < 1459170312 720046 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-097-181.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Quit: storm < 1459170723 939712 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1459170791 665606 :tromp!~tromp@216.223.243.225 JOIN :#esoteric < 1459170792 434775 :p34k!~p34k@nat-wh-wz4-12.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1459171643 664320 :nycs!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1459171673 12873 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1459172327 63347 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459172438 227627 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjann hellørjanne! GG! < 1459172438 395325 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1459172596 988097 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1459172627 925024 :Reece!~nothing@cpc4-wiga13-2-0-cust799.18-3.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459172712 297746 :Reece`!~nothing@cpc4-wiga13-2-0-cust799.18-3.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1459174184 362913 :Reece!~nothing@cpc4-wiga13-2-0-cust799.18-3.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1459174209 925965 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-097-181.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1459174671 623990 :lynn_!~lynn@unaffiliated/lynn JOIN :#esoteric < 1459174917 677397 :lynn!~lynn@unaffiliated/lynn QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1459175235 657910 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :tick tock < 1459175456 9136 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-084-062-097-181.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1459175456 608862 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdocelloc. tick tock? < 1459175550 55337 :lambda-11235!~lambda-11@47-208-113-50.erkacmtk03.res.dyn.suddenlink.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459175791 993655 :lynn!~lynn@unaffiliated/lynn JOIN :#esoteric < 1459175946 615121 :lynn_!~lynn@unaffiliated/lynn QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1459176216 897113 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1459176220 149651 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :boiloclock < 1459176301 745915 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@localtime rdococ < 1459176330 621066 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :@localtime boily < 1459176331 55921 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for boily is Mon, 28 Mar 2016 10:45:30 -0400 < 1459176338 789137 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :-0400? < 1459176339 936214 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :really < 1459176346 654533 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many americans can there be < 1459176358 380062 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :the future sucks < 1459176361 807538 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :can I go back to the past < 1459176570 690371 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not American, I'm Canadian, eh? < 1459176585 799067 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :same thing < 1459176591 184306 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION mapoles rdococ
< 1459176598 134123 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? mapole < 1459176603 83870 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is a mapole < 1459176606 939563 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously < 1459176619 951148 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a great big maple stick. it's very useful to thwack people :D < 1459176620 667113 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A mapole is a thwackamacallit built from maple according to Canadian standards. The army version includes a spork, a corkscrew and a moose whistle. A regulatory mapole measures 6' by 12 kg, ±0.5 inHg. < 1459176626 382484 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tautologoses boily
< 1459176683 683852 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you live in the future, I guess you're European? < 1459177178 79953 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:feff:ff:fe00:316b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi, all < 1459177249 282539 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Tautologos14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=46669 5* 03Rdococ 5* (+2709) 10We must go deeper. < 1459177258 747648 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1459177265 74173 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :my new, unimplemented programming language < 1459177276 453531 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a boy! wait, programming languages don't have gender < 1459177307 992144 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:feff:ff:fe00:316b PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to write up an article on COMPLEX < 1459177327 121357 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, atleast they're not slightly modified versions of brain**** < 1459177332 821976 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tanelle. what's COMPLEX? < 1459177358 608890 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course programming languages have gender. «un langage de programmation» is masculine. < 1459177397 749839 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :just because it's french? < 1459177405 61642 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, so what would be feminine? < 1459177428 673883 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:feff:ff:fe00:316b PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily, it's a BASIC-inspired programming language that lets you manipulate the vector the program counter is moving on, onto the complex plane < 1459177436 645953 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, inserting gender stereotypes, my least favourite thing into my favourite thing < 1459177482 769134 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:feff:ff:fe00:316b PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Programmiersprache" is feminine < 1459177496 476756 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Rdococ14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46670&oldid=46462 5* 03Rdococ 5* (+17) 10 < 1459177516 557564 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: hellochaf. which gender is a programming language in Hebrew? < 1459177527 447288 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :so "programming language" is feminine and "a programming language" is masculine < 1459177529 186173 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: go against the grain! < 1459177543 545089 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :clap clap clap, making masculine programming languages look more expendable < 1459177561 202009 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:feff:ff:fe00:316b PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily, according to my wiktionarying, feminine < 1459177590 849088 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :programming languages have no gender < 1459177601 492654 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're not adding a stupid thing called gender into the purity of programming < 1459177607 651620 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless it's something else disguised as danger < 1459177612 452828 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean gender* < 1459177627 849606 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:feff:ff:fe00:316b PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm gonna guess English is your first language < 1459177648 155480 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah... < 1459177665 628937 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you're talking about language, not the programming language itself as a concept < 1459177748 18971 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:feff:ff:fe00:316b PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily, would you say le Haskell? Or la Haskell? Or is my poor knowlege of French letting me down < 1459177809 226859 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:feff:ff:fe00:316b PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily, anyway, there's an explanation of COMPLEX on my esolangs page https://runciman.hacksoc.org/~taneb/esolangs.html < 1459177820 475595 :tromp!~tromp@216.223.243.225 PRIVMSG #esoteric :surely it's le Haskell Curry < 1459177824 873356 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :«du Haskell». it's still masculine, but partitive because it's an unquantifiable abstract concept. < 1459177855 221069 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: does it have an h aspiré? < 1459177866 134774 :lynn_!~lynn@unaffiliated/lynn JOIN :#esoteric < 1459177911 970757 :lynn!~lynn@unaffiliated/lynn QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1459177953 126456 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: looks like so. English name, English is of Germanic origin, h aspiré by default. < 1459178307 919448 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1459178310 872017 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :COMPLEX < 1459178410 872358 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, language is complex < 1459178425 447978 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :complexicated < 1459178545 66336 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :BASIC stands for "Beginners' All-purpose Symbolic Instruction Code" < 1459178625 979840 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:feff:ff:fe00:316b PRIVMSG #esoteric :COMPLEX, as I've used it, is short for "COMPutational Language EXtension" < 1459178890 26396 :lynn_!~lynn@unaffiliated/lynn QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1459178909 877230 :jaboja!~jaboja@vps.jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1459179169 537277 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :can I look at the contents of another esolang's page so I can make a table? < 1459179230 721519 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, nevermind < 1459179663 945371 :Reece`!~nothing@cpc4-wiga13-2-0-cust799.18-3.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459179709 165886 :lynn!~lynn@unaffiliated/lynn JOIN :#esoteric < 1459179779 995258 :lynn_!~lynn@unaffiliated/lynn JOIN :#esoteric < 1459179975 67761 :lynn!~lynn@unaffiliated/lynn QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1459180115 818210 :lynn_!~lynn@unaffiliated/lynn QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1459180521 716028 :lynn!~lynn@unaffiliated/lynn JOIN :#esoteric < 1459180685 561021 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :simply looking at articles that talk about BASIC make me want to program in it < 1459180725 53568 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always get this weird version of nostalgia when I see stuff like that, even though I haven't even touched it before < 1459180822 587321 :lynn!~lynn@unaffiliated/lynn PRIVMSG #esoteric :Same here < 1459180928 652069 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :if only I could get an old computer... < 1459180959 743952 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they need to re-introduce the language < 1459180971 23039 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :into schools < 1459180977 607894 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :(do schools even do programming?) < 1459181076 574531 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( excel and html ) < 1459181080 930757 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. < 1459181160 775180 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends on the school, really. we did LOGO when I was in elementary. < 1459181176 504390 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :turtle graphics on old 486es for the win! < 1459181324 301019 :zadock!~outsider@81.180.208.252 JOIN :#esoteric < 1459181335 548914 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vbayautyvayufxmu QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1459181712 47878 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's see... how about Bavaria, Germany... grade 9: spread sheets, databases, grade 10: object oriented programming, grade 11: recursive data structures, software engineering, grade 12: formal languages, process communication and synchronization, computer architecture, limits of computability < 1459181969 70229 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not for me < 1459181987 111204 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:feff:ff:fe00:316b PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily, I didn't do any programming in school < 1459182000 363724 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :since I have high functioning autism, they put me in a special school, and they don't even teach algebra at year 7/8/9 < 1459182004 79400 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:feff:ff:fe00:316b PRIVMSG #esoteric :The first programming I did was using an online Piet editor and interpreter < 1459182043 313906 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :put it this way - I'm smarter than students of my age, and then I get put into a dumber school < 1459182073 908341 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: somehow doesn't seem like the typical way to start :) < 1459182077 928312 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, it goes back further under a different headline. grade 7 introduces Internet, E-mail (briefly), and Algorithms, and grade 6 has representation of information, and office software and file systems, < 1459182100 559968 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:feff:ff:fe00:316b PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, yeah, I've never picked up some important habits < 1459182116 526948 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:feff:ff:fe00:316b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like comments, and useful variable names < 1459182126 526518 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:feff:ff:fe00:316b PRIVMSG #esoteric :But Piet was the first programming language I learnt < 1459182126 715214 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: do you find yourself trying to paint in other languages? < 1459182132 181559 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:feff:ff:fe00:316b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, all the time < 1459182184 674001 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: what? but piet is IDEAL for writing comments < 1459182196 199170 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it even lets you make the comments pretty < 1459182210 570506 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:feff:ff:fe00:316b PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas, it's hard to write a pixel at a time < 1459182214 6334 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :So they have some limited exposure to programming in grade 7. < 1459182266 383165 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: no it's not! that's how people wrote all the books with pens and inscribed all the engravings to stone before printing and typewriters were invented. < 1459182277 831068 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(basic imperative programming... then some OO... anything else they'll have to pick up outside of school) < 1459182287 182622 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but whatever. it used to be worse. < 1459182344 133183 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and spreadsheets are a form of declarative programming, of course, though rather limited < 1459182379 26842 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are you talking about? I'm year 8 and I barely get exposure to computers < 1459182400 599929 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't take it anymore, I want to do something interesting < 1459182426 988775 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: yes, that sucks, but at least it's better than back when you also didn't have the internet to talk to other people about it < 1459182437 929971 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :lots of children suffered from that < 1459182449 502003 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1459182457 480575 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :go learn stuff online and do something interesting < 1459182465 739446 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I try to < 1459182500 393111 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, browser based version of BASIC? this might work < 1459182511 16781 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: I was talking about one concrete curriculum that I found online. < 1459182533 66679 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: now I wish I was german < 1459182573 247388 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :And even inside Germany there will be differences. < 1459182615 980241 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(since ridiculously education isn't managed on a federal level but on the state level) < 1459182674 157053 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is that ridiculous? < 1459182685 119217 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, sorry, I shouldn't ask that < 1459182721 570771 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel like I'm temporally shifted in spacetime < 1459182732 882533 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :"remembering" the past before I was born < 1459182846 25672 :bender|!benderpc@2404:e800:e61a:41d:913f:4d6f:1813:5363 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1459182946 764936 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Maybe two points... it makes moving within Germany unecessarily hard on children, and it leads to different standards of education in the various states (a lot of which can be explained by budget concerns) < 1459183023 65024 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do realize that a centralized system would at best solve half of that problem... < 1459183220 125597 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459183366 947179 :Froox!~Frooxius@194.108.5.201 QUIT :Quit: *bubbles away* < 1459183478 77084 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1459183522 957395 :mihow!~mihow@c-73-67-227-118.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459183532 962846 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@194.108.5.201 JOIN :#esoteric < 1459184811 662181 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: "language" is feminine hth < 1459185098 730376 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do people give random words gender < 1459185099 947716 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: “langue” is feminine but “langage” is masculine and “dialecte” is masculin too < 1459185213 58614 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: they're not gender, they're grammatical gender. not the same. < 1459185358 776191 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? rdococ < 1459185384 62659 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@194.108.5.201 QUIT :Quit: *bubbles away* < 1459185384 193161 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :RDOCOCLIKESTOMAKELANGUAGESLIKETHIS < 1459185700 41927 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOL < 1459185704 275650 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1459185709 941797 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've only made one language like that < 1459185746 369990 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you count the "Beginners' All-purpose Symbolic Instruction Code, Esoteric Revision" which I'm making the article for right now < 1459186087 507636 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`culprits rdococ < 1459186095 392596 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`culprits wisdom/rdococ < 1459186112 947427 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo: come on, this is easy! < 1459186159 949972 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION twiddles HackEgo's virtual thumbs.
< 1459186160 281385 :mihow!~mihow@c-73-67-227-118.hsd1.or.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1459186166 488417 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1459186172 202052 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1459186200 324643 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh. < 1459186242 414688 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apart from me, who else is known to have created a new esoteric programming language by mistake of misunderstanding another programming language? < 1459186273 542317 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rm wisdom/rdococ rdococlikestomakelanguageslikethis < 1459186276 209916 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1459186320 608317 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ITWASAPREDICTIONANDITWASRIGHT!ALLHAILOERJANTHEPRESCIENTMASTEROF#ESOTERIC! < 1459186347 373903 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I have not done, but I cannot remember. I also do not believe anyone else has done although perhaps that also I did not remember. < 1459186376 795940 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(though I suppose it actually was somebody else... hmmmmm) < 1459186396 526474 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :BancSTAR could be such a language of course, we don't know < 1459186405 284473 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, our version of BANCStar < 1459186407 80532 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? rdococ < 1459186408 462100 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :RDOCOCLIKESTOMAKELANGUAGESLIKETHIS < 1459186420 644895 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rm wisdom/rdococ RDOCOCLIKESTOMAKELANGUAGESLIKETHIS < 1459186421 632562 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rm: cannot remove `wisdom/rdococ RDOCOCLIKESTOMAKELANGUAGESLIKETHIS': No such file or directory < 1459186475 180062 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually it wasn't... fun. oerjan still had to learn how to use le/rn. < 1459186481 810429 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: you are wisdommed. you can't be erased. accept the assimilation. < 1459186494 574074 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am wisdommed too < 1459186496 23770 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? int-e < 1459186497 496308 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e är inte svensk. Hen kommer att spränga solen. < 1459186498 421406 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? boily < 1459186501 907364 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​"Only sane man" boily is monetizing a broterhood scheme with the Guardian of Lachine, apparently involving cookie dealing. He's also a NaniDispenser, a Trigotillectomic Man Eating Chicken and a METARologist. He is seriously lacking in the f-word department. He is also a renowned Capitalist. < 1459186537 840233 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is possible that some things on the esolang wiki about BANCStar are wrong. There is some that I believe is certainly wrong; I have posted what I believe is correct. < 1459186547 250986 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But possibly I am also wrong) < 1459186550 680564 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't fight the wisdom. Embrace it! < 1459186565 443839 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION embraces his inner non-swedishness.
< 1459186587 74050 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? spell < 1459186587 878126 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :spell? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1459186628 536092 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? misspellings of croissant < 1459186629 619411 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :misspellings of crosant? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1459186659 647772 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :that seems to be the only spell in there < 1459186662 970361 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay for trying to make a Sonic game in a web browser version of BASIC < 1459186672 619190 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? regress < 1459186672 919261 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? xyzzy < 1459186674 602983 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing happens. < 1459186678 693020 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :regress? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1459186687 386127 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? frotz < 1459186689 825785 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :frotz? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1459186701 479203 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? zork < 1459186703 199018 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zork is like York, except for the first letter. < 1459186713 145008 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :brilliant insight < 1459186732 217761 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :My own conclusions come from looking at existing BANCStar programs, rather than looking at the codes for the program to generate the printout < 1459186745 348119 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? xargs < 1459186745 478509 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Once cast, a spell can be undone. But once created, a wisdom entry can never again be erased. – Pontifex, elder researcher < 1459186746 210456 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :xargs is for piping snowmen. < 1459186776 257998 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such as, my own guess is that command 3100 seems to mean that if the condition is not true then it is an error and the user must rekey the input. < 1459186855 336698 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar LOWI < 1459186855 598844 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOWI 281720Z 12014G26KT 090V170 9999 FEW070 BKN300 14/03 Q1006 NOSIG < 1459186862 797150 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are there any screenshots, examples, videos or captures of a BANCStar programme running? < 1459186872 320914 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar CYUL < 1459186872 619939 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYUL 281737Z 14016KT 2 1/4SM -DZ BR SCT009 OVC014 07/06 A2944 RMK SF3ST5 SLP973 < 1459186882 807612 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is also the code that "only ten people in the world can read", which I have partially figured out and guessed at the rest. < 1459186887 910384 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-DZ BR... more like it was pouring a few minutes ago. < 1459186907 101450 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: I do not know of any screenshots < 1459186907 973237 :Reece!~nothing@cpc4-wiga13-2-0-cust799.18-3.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459186921 565506 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :brrrr? < 1459186939 254735 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, it's warm today! +7 °C! < 1459186942 513316 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't do nested arrays in Quite BASIC? < 1459186950 255568 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :How did mist become BR, hmm. < 1459186951 705948 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, does BASIC even have nested arrays? < 1459186960 961496 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, at least Turbo BASIC. < 1459186965 140902 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, interesting < 1459186971 796201 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"BR, Mist (French: Brume)" < 1459186983 993163 :Reece`!~nothing@cpc4-wiga13-2-0-cust799.18-3.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1459186985 976602 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :The French strike again. < 1459186995 607446 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course! we're everywhere! < 1459187076 818214 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Amycus14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46671&oldid=45551 5* 03B jonas 5* (+164) 10 < 1459187170 261139 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:B jonas14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46672&oldid=45479 5* 03B jonas 5* (+124) 10 < 1459187248 121229 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Amycus Severus14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46673&oldid=45521 5* 03B jonas 5* (+149) 10 < 1459187305 228228 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really should give a name to the original language of David so I can talk about it. What should I name it? < 1459187322 894322 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also believe that colour codes are actually PC codes and not ANSI codes; I don't know why they wrote that it is ANSI codes < 1459187337 805040 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: David Language < 1459187354 996062 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: no, there's at least one other esoteric programming language by David Madore < 1459187384 177703 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(plus he has his own slightly esoteric dialect of French) < 1459187489 605002 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, I didn't know that < 1459187499 893535 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: he invented Unlambda < 1459187504 660946 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ask David Madore (if possible) < 1459187517 703769 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is possible, yes < 1459187548 908108 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: REPLICATE CHICKEN < 1459187635 767029 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-084-062-097-181.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Quit: Terminated < 1459187650 188763 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-097-181.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Quit: storm < 1459187684 652657 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does there exist a double-ended toothbrush that has a brush head on both ends of the same handle? < 1459187685 648461 :mihow!~mihow@c-73-67-227-118.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459187727 369330 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems there are double toothbrushes that have two heads on the same end of the handle < 1459187755 47069 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@194.108.5.201 JOIN :#esoteric < 1459187776 573843 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1459187792 126677 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems such a thing exists: https://groomies.es/es/dientes/958-cepillo-de-dientes-doble-extra-largo.html < 1459187798 244068 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's either crazy or esoteric < 1459187880 144151 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-112-207.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1459188022 182204 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: so can you find a four-headed one? < 1459188091 643777 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And why stop at that? you can go all Lucas and make a cross of toothbrushes!) < 1459188111 388440 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or a swiss army knife! < 1459188201 58041 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, or a whole toothbrush tree < 1459188235 18008 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or http://www.irregularwebcomic.net/1186.html with infinitely many heads < 1459188453 963359 :lynn_!~lynn@unaffiliated/lynn JOIN :#esoteric < 1459188482 664940 :lynn!~lynn@unaffiliated/lynn QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1459188513 200662 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-112-207.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1459188618 459091 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-097-181.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1459188836 957347 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-084-062-097-181.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1459188934 667946 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid n+1 step processes < 1459189027 50271 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(something along the lines of "submit review" - "confirm review" ... apparently I expect that to be one step (especially since the previous dialog already offered me things like saving a draft)) < 1459189135 353185 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone should check what I wrote in the [[Amycus]] article and tell how much of that is nonsense < 1459189203 947324 :lynn_!~lynn@unaffiliated/lynn QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1459189550 920199 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those writeups should be rewritten though because they still contain sentences based on the origianl misunderstanding. < 1459189573 521966 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I can't rewrite them if I can't refer to the original language! Argh < 1459190207 305183 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :(having to write the line numbers manually is a bit of a pain when I need to add lines in between lines) < 1459190236 978806 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:feff:ff:fe00:316b PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ, that's why COMPLEX lets you write the lines in any order you want! < 1459190277 658347 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, I mean because I have to change each line number < 1459190313 226754 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't you leave gaps in the line numbers? < 1459190349 330031 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :the BASIC I grew up with used line numbers 10,20,30,... by default so that one could easily insert lines later < 1459190418 547288 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1459190428 468106 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whereas the APL del editor lets you use non-integer line numbers, but the line numbers are only temporary, and they're reassigned with sequential numbers when you exit the del editor (or more like they're assigned when you enter the del editor, and only the sorted sequence of lines are saved when you exit it). < 1459190438 319597 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then when the gaps are differentin length < 1459190515 497637 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this APL del editor software or is it from when basic was taught in schools? < 1459190551 708038 :lynn!~lynn@unaffiliated/lynn JOIN :#esoteric < 1459190601 426263 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's… um, part of the APL workspace software, just like how the line editor is part of most BASIC interpreters, and … well, it's probably older than BASIC taught in schools < 1459190647 833557 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:feff:ff:fe00:316b PRIVMSG #esoteric :APL is a programming language from back when they didn't really know what programming languages ought to look like < 1459190659 616398 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? apl < 1459190659 888536 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:feff:ff:fe00:316b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Back when to program you plugged your phone into your typewriter < 1459190681 671633 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :APL stands for Algorithmic Programming Language. < 1459190688 935394 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :...did you actually have to plug a phone into the typewriter? < 1459190699 595401 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd have to be a telephone or something, I know that much < 1459190705 357218 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :or am I just talking crazy < 1459190705 833671 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehehe < 1459190709 889181 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:feff:ff:fe00:316b PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ, yeah, because computers were huge big things that took up a room < 1459190712 61158 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh the young ones < 1459190719 840947 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway < 1459190723 447840 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know that < 1459190729 505649 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:feff:ff:fe00:316b PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you rang the computer and plugged in your typewriter < 1459190737 656789 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:feff:ff:fe00:316b PRIVMSG #esoteric :An electric typewriter, of course < 1459190742 66431 :zadock!~outsider@81.180.208.252 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1459190742 879710 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :you rang the computer...? < 1459190746 671215 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION rolls his eyes.
< 1459190748 137132 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:feff:ff:fe00:316b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1459190751 988506 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh okay < 1459190770 641515 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:feff:ff:fe00:316b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seriously, APL is going back a long time < 1459190792 13616 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: computers were expensive, so people used them remotely. by means of a terminal, which is the same as a telex machine, and is an electromechanical or electrical typewriter with a keyboard and either a printer or a CRT display or both, connected to a modem < 1459190792 184724 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? taneb < 1459190795 511366 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb is not elliott, no matter who you ask. He also isn't a rabbi although he has pretended in the past. He has at least two backup keyboards with dodgy SHIFT KEys, cube root of five genders, and voluminous but calm eyebrows. (See also: tanebventions) < 1459190836 954217 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:feff:ff:fe00:316b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haven't seen elliott in ages :/ < 1459190837 950728 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :where the modem transmits data through an analog telephone wire connected by the ordinary telephone network, plus the terminal may also have a ticker tape reader and puncher. < 1459190840 375430 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: why go to all that trouble when you can just hand the operators a stack of punched cards? < 1459190858 909109 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm working on a Sonic game in BASIC... or at least something close < 1459190882 684751 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :but of course it's a modern version -- no, not visual basic < 1459190893 899104 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: the computer is in a remote location, and the telex transmits the data faster to such a remote location than any other way you could transmit the punch cards or ticker tape < 1459190894 205842 :mihow!~mihow@c-73-67-227-118.hsd1.or.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1459190896 258523 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found this < 1459190897 303189 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.quitebasic.com/ < 1459190905 532559 :Reece`!~nothing@cpc4-wiga13-2-0-cust799.18-3.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459190914 16751 :Reece!~nothing@cpc4-wiga13-2-0-cust799.18-3.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1459190930 413415 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's some things I don't understand about terminals though < 1459190996 129586 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is it? < 1459191001 225750 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :1. why are they called both terminals and telex machines and what's the difference, 2. how the fuck can an electromechanical typewriter do all the modem stuff without electronics, and 3. why did they even bother with electromechanics when electronics were already available by the time the terminals were created. < 1459191016 58003 :mihow!~mihow@c-73-67-227-118.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459191055 6392 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :is telex an old version of fax or something? < 1459191064 508236 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh, they just repurposed telegraphy service devices... that's what telex machines are. < 1459191072 914087 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay... < 1459191107 968517 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"terminal" is just a different view on the topology... it's not, say, a repeater connecting two lines, but and end point. < 1459191116 401743 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1459191123 903167 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: sort of, but a telex transmits character data (where a character means 5 or 7 or 6 or 8 bits) whereas a fax transmits bitmap graphical data. both were used as sort of improved versions of telegraphy. < 1459191193 679287 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telex helps with terminology (terminalogy?) < 1459191196 512034 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1459191213 685957 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fax is a newer invention < 1459191227 250745 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so we should really call the machines teletypes < 1459191321 193743 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :surprisingly (haha), wikipedia is inconsistent on this < 1459191324 197302 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Back when we were young, telephone books contained telefax (fax) and telex numbers too, because some businesses and offices ran such machines, and they're connected to the ordinary telephone network. Today, there are no printed telephone books, and no telex network. < 1459191339 309485 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the Telegraphy page, they write "These machines were called "Telex" (TELegraph EXchange)." < 1459191407 611285 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :...and we have paperless offices where fax machines are virtualized and soon phased out... < 1459191425 438238 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: yeah, paperless offices where people print and then scan the emails they get. < 1459191458 491306 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: Btw, this channel sometimes makes it hard to separate fact from fiction. < 1459191464 980401 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the paperless parts never really works out well. < 1459191472 418459 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? paperless < 1459191475 204547 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :paperless? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1459191486 72407 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tries not to make the obvious joke
< 1459191529 895880 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"send an email, but fax a copy in case they don't read email, and send a letter as well so that they have a clean copy for the archives" < 1459191547 516845 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not sure where this is from... Dilbert?) < 1459191571 777035 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. http://dilbert.com/strip/1995-12-11 < 1459191591 108419 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :20 years later I suspect this is still true. < 1459191725 989677 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: hehe. yes < 1459193217 114043 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`le/rn paperless/In a paperless world, rock would never lose. < 1459193224 45108 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned «paperless» < 1459193295 745375 :lambda-11235!~lambda-11@47-208-113-50.erkacmtk03.res.dyn.suddenlink.net QUIT :Quit: Bye < 1459193616 274416 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric : Someone else I know, although an atheist, said that if he made up the laws he would say that Canada is the Christian country, only for the purpose of the calendar. I am not sure that is necessary, since they are already national holidays, although maybe I missed something. < 1459193719 557930 :Reece`!~nothing@cpc4-wiga13-2-0-cust799.18-3.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1459193736 246297 :Reece`!~nothing@cpc4-wiga13-2-0-cust799.18-3.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459195310 208387 :gremlins!~nothing@cpc4-wiga13-2-0-cust799.18-3.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459195401 211482 :Reece`!~nothing@cpc4-wiga13-2-0-cust799.18-3.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1459195593 902146 :jaboja!~jaboja@vps.jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1459196227 800522 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1459196278 526121 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1459196298 682006 :jaboja!~jaboja@vps.jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1459196608 657649 :oren!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1459196656 382641 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1459196703 862306 :oren!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't understand why people were depending on an external host to have a left pad function < 1459196736 777949 :MDead!~MDude@pa-67-234-117-223.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459196757 646427 :jaboja!~jaboja@vps.jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1459196759 616506 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:feff:ff:fe00:316b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because people who use JavaScript for non-web are not the best at system architecture < 1459196800 502950 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1459196859 542379 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: huh what? what's this about this time? < 1459196894 31287 :MDude!~MDude@pa-67-234-117-223.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1459196900 947599 :MDead!~MDude@pa-67-234-117-223.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDude < 1459196903 441126 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` printf %70s "left pad function" < 1459196906 840114 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ left pad function < 1459196969 80167 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:feff:ff:fe00:316b PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas, a lot of Node programmers got their projects broken when someone threw a tantrum and removed a package from npm < 1459196983 113581 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:feff:ff:fe00:316b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Said package was 11 lines long and just provided a left pad function < 1459196999 852498 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's npm? < 1459197039 552795 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:feff:ff:fe00:316b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Node.js package manager < 1459197049 16397 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:feff:ff:fe00:316b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like Hackage or crates.io or something < 1459197068 328977 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1459197165 744625 :x_!~x@net-188-218-223-252.cust.vodafonedsl.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1459197238 28046 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1459197393 432916 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can easily implement a left pad function in one line of a JavaScript code: const leftpad=(x,y,z)=>(z.repeat(y)+x).slice(-y); < 1459197413 657354 :lynn_!~lynn@unaffiliated/lynn JOIN :#esoteric < 1459197428 716923 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I imagine that's a little inefficient as you generate the string of y zs regardless of what the input is < 1459197437 642039 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: thatjs way to performant < 1459197438 684081 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes, that seems like a good demonstration of how simple the function is < 1459197441 162615 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do have some Node.js packages too < 1459197443 427661 :lynn!~lynn@unaffiliated/lynn QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1459197449 8988 :lynn_!~lynn@unaffiliated/lynn NICK :lynn < 1459197484 776981 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that depens on what string concatenation and repeat are doing < 1459197503 537210 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: this is unlikely as an optimization < 1459197510 36426 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it string + string always needs to copy anything it would be really slow < 1459197586 614784 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :padding an empty string would be n^2 then < 1459197595 667011 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :repeat cannot be worse than that < 1459197702 950312 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan I can't see deleted templates on Wikipedia (other than via WP:REFUND which seems rather a waste of admin time), but a) it seems likely, b) the template is unused and probably not useful, c) the template is buggy, d) the template may be uncopyrightable because there's no other sensible way to write its functionality < 1459197703 119676 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1459197739 452092 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if repeat isn't implemented completely stupid it would need O(y) time + one concat + O(y) slice < 1459197755 797288 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other version needs O(y) concats < 1459197776 784648 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming that concat is slow, zzo38's version is way faster < 1459197777 467216 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: concat may be O(a) time rather than O(a+b) time where the lengths of the strings are a and b < 1459197793 715383 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I'm not talking about the original left-pad, that one is probably really slow < 1459197800 498403 :jaboja!~jaboja@eju181.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1459197805 127539 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1459198045 294993 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can DVD-video support text captions? What happen if you record a TV show with captions on a DVD? < 1459198073 633073 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what captions? < 1459198073 837783 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I think it can support text captions, and I don't know < 1459198092 725595 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:feff:ff:fe00:316b PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, most DVD recorders I believe take it out of the display, which will include captions if they are displayed at the time of recording < 1459198142 340118 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: The DVD recorder I have does have the ability to display captions. < 1459198195 406609 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I mean if it can support text captions which are separate from subtitles < 1459198281 554706 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, they're separate from subtitles... < 1459198282 92561 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1459198358 958835 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Captions are text and subtitles are pictures. This means that it is possible to customize the settings for font size and colours of captions. < 1459198380 282247 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But for subtitles you have to use whatever font is recorded on the disc instead. < 1459198456 191914 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :My own opinion is that only captions should be used and subtitles should not be used except possibly for compatibility purpose. < 1459198560 234355 :Reece`!~nothing@cpc4-wiga13-2-0-cust799.18-3.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459198601 344650 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found a webpage for a computer program, and it says that DVDs do support captions. < 1459198657 220992 :gremlins!~nothing@cpc4-wiga13-2-0-cust799.18-3.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1459198848 823013 :lynn!~lynn@unaffiliated/lynn QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1459198999 768164 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does any show have captions for the descriptive video in addition to the normal speech? < 1459199197 45465 :lynn!~lynn@unaffiliated/lynn JOIN :#esoteric < 1459199271 485752 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:feff:ff:fe00:316b PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slist < 1459199273 67746 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :slist: Taneb atriq Ngevd nvd Fiora Sgeo ThatOtherPerson alot < 1459199280 567608 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:feff:ff:fe00:316b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hang on < 1459199287 999509 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:feff:ff:fe00:316b PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm the only person on that list who'st actually in here < 1459199293 682986 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:feff:ff:fe00:316b PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I'm most of the list < 1459199323 325002 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why it's called solipsism list < 1459199416 816246 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:feff:ff:fe00:316b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haha < 1459199428 575038 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1459199445 937435 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-112-207.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1459199449 52525 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? atriq < 1459199450 8319 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq or two < 1459199460 988337 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? taneb < 1459199462 353896 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb is not elliott, no matter who you ask. He also isn't a rabbi although he has pretended in the past. He has at least two backup keyboards with dodgy SHIFT KEys, cube root of five genders, and voluminous but calm eyebrows. (See also: tanebventions) < 1459199475 365575 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 5**(1/3) < 1459199476 900734 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1.7099759466766968 < 1459199496 733071 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? tanebventions < 1459199498 13268 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tanebventions include D-modules, Chu spaces, automatic squirrel feeders, the torus, gazpacho, Stephen Wolfram, Go, submarine jousting, the universe, weetoflakes, persistence, the reals, Lambek's lemma, robots, progress, and this sentence. He never invents anything involving sex. < 1459199519 276341 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel like maybe that wisdom entry should rhyme. < 1459199519 807242 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1459199524 976332 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :To some Gilbert & Sullivan tune, perhaps. < 1459199550 549315 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1459199565 656183 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1459199571 50771 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :should I keep working on my Sonic attempt in Quite BASIC? < 1459199580 463398 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? gazpacho < 1459199582 249128 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You like Gazpacho and I like Gaspacho. Let's call the whole thing off! < 1459199599 955336 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`culprits wisdom/tanebvention < 1459199605 585253 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf b_jonas oerjan shachaf shachaf boily boily shachaf oerjan oerjan Taneb oerjan elliott oerjan oerjan FireFly oerjan boily oerjan ais523 ais523 oerjan < 1459199666 834872 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? gaspacho < 1459199669 363699 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You like Gaspacho and I like Gazpacho. Let's call the whole thing off! < 1459199674 618174 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait what < 1459199687 491258 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? rdococ < 1459199689 116339 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :RDOCOCLIKESTOMAKELANGUAGESLIKETHIS < 1459199696 102840 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdochellloc. the szoups are complex. please consult the Wisdom PDF hth < 1459199705 374119 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :the wat < 1459199706 612969 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION ought to retopic the PDF...
< 1459199710 384392 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that pdf isn't even real < 1459199711 682557 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: just a moment... < 1459199713 488561 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :rewhat < 1459199714 328687 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's been photoszouped < 1459199720 359712 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :photowhat < 1459199721 416012 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT IS REAL! REALER THAN CANADA! EH! < 1459199726 311979 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :realerwhat < 1459199730 190566 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heretichaf. < 1459199754 967437 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: shachaf mipesha hth < 1459199795 106280 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: https://www.dropbox.com/s/fyhqyvy3i8oh25m/wisdom.pdf?dl=0 < 1459199817 423149 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(warning: may not be quite exactly up to date at all. I'm several months out of touch with the latest installments.) < 1459199820 336001 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(hth) < 1459199890 400574 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: did you demaur it yet hth < 1459199964 970977 :atrapado!~atrapado@unaffiliated/atrapado JOIN :#esoteric < 1459199984 296543 :lynn_!~lynn@unaffiliated/lynn JOIN :#esoteric < 1459199989 376196 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1459199990 480821 :lynn!~lynn@unaffiliated/lynn QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1459200029 401138 :lynn_!~lynn@unaffiliated/lynn NICK :lynn < 1459200058 891678 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`source < 1459200059 730321 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: source: not found < 1459200062 755751 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`help < 1459200063 367688 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Runs arbitrary code in GNU/Linux. Type "`", or "`run " for full shell commands. "`fetch " downloads files. Files saved to $PWD are persistent, and $PWD/bin is in $PATH. $PWD is a mercurial repository, "`revert " can be used to revert to a revision. See http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/ < 1459200176 900880 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style sms < 1459200177 31267 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: sms (National University of Singapore SMS corpus, 2011-08-20) < 1459200185 495072 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: nlghtn us < 1459200185 630360 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: in one min. soon < 1459200196 221534 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style irc < 1459200196 351989 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: irc (IRC logs of freenode/#esoteric, freenode/#scheme and ircnet/#douglasadams) < 1459200269 716281 :lynn_!~lynn@unaffiliated/lynn JOIN :#esoteric < 1459200329 524500 :x_!~x@net-188-218-223-252.cust.vodafonedsl.it QUIT :Quit: Sto andando via < 1459200333 583601 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I don't think so hth < 1459200382 391225 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :lynn_: is "demure" a good adjective for you < 1459200474 295553 :lynn!~lynn@unaffiliated/lynn QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1459200475 564068 :lynn__!~lynn@unaffiliated/lynn JOIN :#esoteric < 1459200476 572292 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote demure < 1459200480 785396 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1459200627 675558 :lynn_!~lynn@unaffiliated/lynn QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1459200666 249314 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote murder < 1459200667 163472 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :130) Phantom_Hoover: Don't be nasty; he's a lunatic, not a murderer. \ 271) elliott, it was an artful robbery! wait, murder \ 753) you've constructed a situation in which i have no choice but to die in 10 days well done that's murder \ 1080) Even if the people who made that program is a m < 1459200674 848338 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lynn__ is emulating Phantom_________Hoover... < 1459200675 632166 :lynn!~lynn@unaffiliated/lynn JOIN :#esoteric < 1459200684 755439 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lynn: hellynn. connection problems? < 1459200703 684716 :lynn!~lynn@unaffiliated/lynn PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really horrible ones ;___; < 1459200738 929781 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :even lynn's ascii face is emulating Phantom_________Hoover < 1459200755 243884 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming that's a face, i don't really know how to read those things < 1459200810 295477 :lynn__!~lynn@unaffiliated/lynn QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1459200859 907501 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if it's secret code in a secret programming language? ___;_;____;;; < 1459200865 991325 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote ◇ < 1459200866 862049 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1459200874 898785 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn. wrong unicode diamond. < 1459200910 629381 :lynn!~lynn@unaffiliated/lynn QUIT :Client Quit < 1459200913 498633 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote ________ < 1459200914 151946 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1010) ◊_______________________◊ help. jesus christ elliott apply pressure evenly when jamming eyes open < 1459200941 728787 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :◇◇ < 1459200946 471708 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote ◊ < 1459200947 249953 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1010) ◊_______________________◊ help. jesus christ elliott apply pressure evenly when jamming eyes open < 1459200959 17910 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote rdococ < 1459200959 821588 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1238) what? I just wanted a laugh... lol I need to stop using lol, lol just stop then, hth < 1459200963 20496 :lynn!uid154965@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lhujwqkbyrjybxgu JOIN :#esoteric < 1459200978 637544 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol lol < 1459200986 66628 :lynn!uid154965@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lhujwqkbyrjybxgu NICK :Guest57498 < 1459201033 821004 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guest57498: don't you dare die on us! < 1459201047 497998 :Guest57498!uid154965@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lhujwqkbyrjybxgu NICK :lynn < 1459201057 26676 :lynn!uid154965@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lhujwqkbyrjybxgu QUIT :Changing host < 1459201057 157030 :lynn!uid154965@unaffiliated/lynn JOIN :#esoteric < 1459201057 157103 :lynn!uid154965@unaffiliated/lynn QUIT :Changing host < 1459201057 157121 :lynn!uid154965@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lhujwqkbyrjybxgu JOIN :#esoteric < 1459201219 963516 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :rip lynn 20 times < 1459201261 789929 :lynn!uid154965@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lhujwqkbyrjybxgu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I’m on some kinda cloud thing. So, that might work better? < 1459201435 396352 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? cloud < 1459201436 983877 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cloud? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1459201533 428910 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn The cloud is a server Blackhat guy runs, connected to the internet through a cable modem. There's a lot of caching. Cloud is also the shape of clouds. < 1459201538 928365 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'cloud': The cloud is a server Blackhat guy runs, connected to the internet through a cable modem. There's a lot of caching. Cloud is also the shape of clouds. < 1459201691 572227 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. NSA is a kind of caching service. < 1459201733 563922 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1459201802 231548 :Reece`!~nothing@cpc4-wiga13-2-0-cust799.18-3.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1459202046 227278 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/S6_(classification) wait, what < 1459203762 882229 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459203791 611752 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1459204049 970857 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I finally found the individually checked beans. That must be a fun way to pass time. < 1459204095 756136 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh heh heh < 1459204102 271271 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun for who? < 1459204197 669058 :nycs!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1459204201 251471 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hanners, of course. < 1459204228 603978 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Well, at least until she finds a bad bean.) < 1459204355 871144 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459205036 539555 :atrapado!~atrapado@unaffiliated/atrapado QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1459205575 21678 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1459205995 525997 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-73.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1459206049 555158 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages- < 1459206049 685572 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 said 2h 19m 6s ago: I can't see deleted templates on Wikipedia (other than via WP:REFUND which seems rather a waste of admin time), but a) it seems likely, b) the template is unused and probably not useful, c) the template is buggy, d) the template may be uncopyrightable because there's no other sensible way to write its functionality < 1459206096 811395 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION interprets (d) as an excuse to do nothing hth
< 1459206155 284294 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's also unused and I can't see an obvious use for it < 1459206163 284079 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:feff:ff:fe00:316b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you patent a wikipedia template < 1459206172 751059 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1459206202 380626 :jaboja!~jaboja@eju181.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1459206466 63354 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: since when has that been a reason to delete anything on our wiki :P < 1459206478 894347 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: in terms of articles or templates? :P < 1459206491 652661 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :templates are kind of meta-stuff, they have different topicality rules < 1459206555 995146 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey don't ruin the joke with details < 1459206570 819357 :mihow!~mihow@c-73-67-227-118.hsd1.or.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1459206596 924042 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I thought you were trying to use sarcasm to make as serious point < 1459206659 640301 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459206670 956699 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_> < 1459206818 743182 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? cia < 1459206820 811966 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cia? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1459206831 43058 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn CIA sees it all. < 1459206833 219481 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'cia': CIA sees it all. < 1459206862 106242 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought it stood for cookies in advance < 1459206866 51253 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :the next level of thanks in advance < 1459207018 421937 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? stupidity < 1459207019 777996 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stupidity is created when people are too lazy to think correctly. < 1459207027 388206 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think this is somehow meta. < 1459207039 734905 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly in two different ways. < 1459207263 863925 :gde33!~Gaby@541C5A92.cm-5-5b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1459207297 504643 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1459207297 779967 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? meta < 1459207298 847438 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :meta? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1459207304 38733 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn meta is about < 1459207306 388733 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'meta': meta is about < 1459207354 107869 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` find -type f wisdom | wc -l < 1459207355 213279 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :find: paths must precede expression: wisdom \ Usage: find [-H] [-L] [-P] [-Olevel] [-D help|tree|search|stat|rates|opt|exec] [path...] [expression] \ 0 < 1459207364 584304 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` find wisdom -type f | wc -l < 1459207369 121368 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :900 < 1459207403 572304 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` find wisdom -type f | xargs cat | wc -c < 1459207404 995742 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :xargs: unmatched single quote; by default quotes are special to xargs unless you use the -0 option \ cat: wisdom/¯(°_o)/¯(°_o)a: No such file or directory \ cat: wisdom/¯(°_o)/¯: No such file or directory \ cat: wisdom/for: No such file or directory \ cat: further: No such file or directory \ cat: details.: No such file or directory \ cat: w < 1459207410 430877 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : @tell oerjann hellørjanne! GG! <-- helloily. poor oerjann will be so confused. < 1459207412 234996 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1459207419 192971 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` find wisdom -type f -print0 | xargs -0 cat | wc -c < 1459207430 861348 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :10558299 < 1459207435 441647 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Are you sure there are no files in wisdom/ containing newlines? < 1459207469 816938 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: well, it seems fairly useless, but no, I'm not sure. < 1459207502 418507 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh, that seems a bit big... < 1459207525 265430 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls -sR wisdom | sort -rn < 1459207527 239487 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :10240 irrelevant info \ 4 Э \ 4 э \ 4 αλτγρ+γ \ 4 zzo38mtg.php \ 4 zzo38mtg \ 4 zzo38card \ 4 zzo38 \ 4 zygohistomorphic prepromorphism \ 4 zork \ 4 zomgmodules \ 4 zombiecheney \ 4 zkstr \ 4 zimbabwe \ 4 yuy \ 4 york \ 4 yorick \ 4 yoda \ 4 yeeesh \ 4 yeeeesh \ < 1459207530 612713 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` cat wisdom/irrelevant info < 1459207531 451953 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat: wisdom/irrelevant: No such file or directory \ cat: info: No such file or directory < 1459207535 67346 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1459207538 796609 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat wisdom/irrelevant info < 1459207539 460037 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :K�H�L?����%y�9v���n�kM_��v�4�6���$Tn�`��ʋ�xk��H2���gq�H;!�;2�F�(zإ���2C�m��X��W < 1459207543 905637 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ds01-214-177.dynamic.mtsallstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459207545 829032 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`file wisdom/irrelevant info < 1459207546 779444 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom/irrelevant info: data < 1459207558 538038 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` hg log 'wisdom/irrelevant info' | grep summary: < 1459207560 823981 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :summary: cat /dev/urandom > wisdom/\'irrelevant info\' < 1459207565 981431 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`culprits wisdom/irrelevant info < 1459207566 755383 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rm wisdom/irrelevant info < 1459207582 896218 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1459207588 17116 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf oerjan elliott Roujo < 1459207596 64459 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` find wisdom -type f -print0 | xargs -0 cat | wc -c < 1459207602 344354 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :72539 < 1459207611 660900 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, that's far more plausible. < 1459207623 645488 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` hg log | grep summary: | grep Roujo < 1459207626 349278 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :summary: rm bin/f\x16\x16rink \ summary: echo "14484096/625 \\(exactly 23174.5536\\)" > bin/f\x16\x16rink \ summary: chmod +x bin/f\x16\x16rink \ summary: echo "14484096/625 (exactly 23174.5536)" > bin/f\x16\x16rink \ summary: echo "cf. elliott" > wisdom/godot \ summary: echo " < 1459207633 302696 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` hg log | grep summary: | grep Roujo | paste < 1459207643 53144 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/paste/paste.4893 < 1459207796 743062 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo hi < 1459207797 270772 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: echo: not found < 1459207801 278711 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmph < 1459207812 528610 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1459207834 95868 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? godot < 1459207834 937400 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cf. elliott < 1459207897 329050 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/log?rev=Roujo&revcount=1000 ... < 1459207934 583676 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that's better than paste. < 1459207986 535754 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :the trick is to add the &revcount bit manually < 1459208013 104437 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(since the "more" and "less" links are broken) < 1459208029 267832 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are? < 1459208036 531553 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are. < 1459208059 722599 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ic < 1459208076 751595 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar ENVA < 1459208077 125005 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :ENVA 282320Z 12010G20KT 070V160 9999 SCT050 BKN120 09/00 Q0991 RMK WIND 670FT 15016G30KT < 1459208085 139710 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't seem all that icy < 1459208086 711057 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: spring is a-coming < 1459208095 78806 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i'm joking i have no idea how to read metar hth) < 1459208112 467902 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :surely you can read the 09/00 part? < 1459208112 983253 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i met a man on the road this evening who said it was unusually mild hth < 1459208125 773496 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar KOAK < 1459208126 75739 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :KOAK 282253Z 28018KT 10SM SCT020 17/03 A2988 RMK AO2 SLP117 T01670033 < 1459208126 449317 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: yes, but that doesn't tell me whether it's icy hth < 1459208131 106295 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: do they even have pigeons in norway? < 1459208135 324551 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :and how about parks < 1459208142 875255 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :parks, for pooches. < 1459208148 321142 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: seems unlikely at 9 degrees celsius. < 1459208166 962974 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar LOWI < 1459208167 221616 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOWI 282320Z AUTO 26004KT 230V300 9999 NCD 06/02 Q1010 < 1459208173 611098 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is considering putting on a non-winter jacket
< 1459208182 950079 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, a bit colder than I expected. < 1459208183 838473 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? weather < 1459208186 208226 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot: @@ @@ (@where weather) CYUL ENVA ESSB KOAK < 1459208188 581463 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : CYUL 282324Z 36013KT 4SM -RA BR OVC004 04/03 A2939 RMK ST8 SLP956 \ ENVA 282320Z 12010G20KT 070V160 9999 SCT050 BKN120 09/00 Q0991 RMK WIND 670FT 15016G30KT \ ESSB 282320Z AUTO 13010KT 9999 BKN057/// 05/01 Q1002 \ KOAK 282253Z 28018KT 10SM SCT020 17/03 A2988 RMK AO2 SLP117 T01670033 < 1459208189 918588 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: we have pigeons. also parks. sometimes coincidental. < 1459208246 679755 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: poisoning pooches in the park? i hope not < 1459208318 25805 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does this allude to "Taubenvergiften im Park"? < 1459208344 534798 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: is that like http://www.xkcd.com/90/ ? < 1459208365 159108 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: poisoning? fungot no! < 1459208365 590537 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: all of those don't let you borrow zem. zem doesn't have win98 or a floppy drive or anything, it is woefully underpowered. < 1459208372 146442 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait pooches are just dogs in general? i was imagining it was some kind of silly breed. < 1459208381 170698 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I didn't know of the Tom Lehrer song. < 1459208389 906904 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: dogs in general are a silly breed hth < 1459208402 876832 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe, true < 1459208416 605547 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: which one? the Elements song? < 1459208424 602405 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't make any sense, do I? < 1459208428 414238 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459208450 575226 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, the one about poisoning pigeons in the park < 1459208486 834665 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, who is your nemesis? < 1459208486 979818 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: i think mine predates yours" issue, and i < 1459208493 24136 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: good < 1459208493 344452 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: now i was trying to say " no". the only client box is the 486. i cannot fnord it's the plural of " virus" < 1459208500 965957 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1459208507 18468 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: is zem still woefully underpowered? < 1459208584 586607 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: It's always weird to look at a fungot message before checking the usernaem < 1459208584 731662 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: it works on the structure of the configuration language.) < 1459208591 714017 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: it is indeed next to my winter jacket hth < 1459208617 382888 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: That was pretty coherent, besides the trailing parenthesis. We're so proud of you. < 1459208617 625527 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: is llama32 talking about loading .so files or something. i wonder what ( lambda ( data) expr)? < 1459208620 242042 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whuh. < 1459208670 366367 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think python should add two new operators (or 3, with an optional 5 others based off of one of the 2) < 1459208676 928205 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The operators should be := and :: < 1459208678 53871 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ref. to fungot above < 1459208678 250629 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: " one toke? you poor fool! wait till you see part 2 of 3) < 1459208706 878570 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::= calls the left object's __assgn__ method, and :: calls the left object's __is_type__ method < 1459208712 840501 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'd be used for type-safe python < 1459208713 788067 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1459208713 918407 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc* iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack oots pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube < 1459208734 964243 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: you're more incoherent than usual, is anything wrong? < 1459208735 103869 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: it uses ref counting, so cyclic data structures nor to hashes))) list) < 1459208739 19821 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. No. < 1459208746 788587 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The third operators is -> (which is right-associative) and calls the left object's __goesto__ method < 1459208752 947783 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: ah, false alarm then? good, good. < 1459208753 78287 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :the := bone is connected to the __assign__ bone / the :: bone is connected to the __is_type__ bone < 1459208753 78379 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: i think they're playing the fnord < 1459208762 557465 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that line was hppavilion[1]. I thought it was fungot. < 1459208762 687799 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: you're not meant to be < 1459208768 885902 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: ouch < 1459208769 265625 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: are you on the net... bah. i worked in d.c., some people asked for it :) i'm sorry, i'm bored. want to hear < 1459208794 724525 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The optional 5 are :!=, :>, :<, :>=, and :<=, which are made to work like := but for things other than equality < 1459208801 926287 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric : the situation is: behind me sits a netware3 server with important data. the only client box is the 486. i cannot use the data that's on the server hd, there's not enough space to copy the data to the client hd, i cannot put an additional disk into the client because of the bios thing. < 1459208842 1327 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459208900 731266 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The main usage cases for the first 3 are a library I'm calling "typesafe" which creates a dependent/algebraic/static typesystem for Python in pure python and a library called "constraints" which is like "typesafe" that puts constraints on values (such as a variable always being positive, or always being between 5 and 9) (this would also benefit from those optional 5) < 1459208945 779758 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: that's some old hard- and software... < 1459208966 557661 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: The line was from 2006. But it was pretty old even back then. < 1459209000 146419 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :mid 90s. < 1459209039 301436 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Typesafe can be implemented in current python, and a library similar to constraints already exits, but has some issues because either you use an ugly syntax involving method calls (x.set(5)) or you use up certain important operators (x << 5) < 1459209044 688796 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :NetWare 3 apparenty dates to 1990, while NetWare 4 dates to 1993. Not that everyone would've been migrating their systems. < 1459209051 629856 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: um i didn't mean that line btw, there's one actually containing "zem". < 1459209074 153208 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Oh, there, I see. < 1459209103 335997 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I had actually completely forgotten zem, but I think zem's still in a closet somewhere, probably back in Finland. < 1459209116 430279 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume it'd count as even more woefully underpowered now. < 1459209137 174711 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: now all you have to do to have any chance of this happening is abduct guido van rossum and brainwash him. hth. < 1459209175 338173 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Though slightly less so than the 486.) < 1459209260 680782 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Why? xD < 1459209262 262698 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, that's a combination of quite many lines. < 1459209268 800597 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Is it because he hates static typing? < 1459209302 378012 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: because what you're suggesting is pretty against his python philosophy afaict. < 1459209319 22191 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :he probably also hates static typing, i'm not sure. < 1459209321 197616 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: In what parts? < 1459209352 371092 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the parts where you want to define operators that are synonyms for more readable features already existing. < 1459209361 760875 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: What about @ in 3.5? < 1459209380 60909 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I'd say the operators would be more readable < 1459209400 336836 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: It would be an optional type system, and it has other use cases. The purpose is for people who /want/ static typing to be able to do so in a pretty, non-`if type(x) == t` way < 1459209413 195750 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: i don't know 3.5. i'm saying my hunch is that guido would hate it. < 1459209428 440851 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :2003-03-16 19:04:19 oh well. if it blows up, I'll let you borrow zem. zem doesn't have win98 or a floppy drive. -g < 1459209432 855999 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :2003-04-14 21:01:43 now it doesn't have a floppy drive or anything, hnggh. < 1459209435 862358 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :2004-10-22 20:50:03 But really, As much as i like lisp-me for being able to hack-on-the-toilet, as a scheme, it is woefully underpowered. < 1459209438 872829 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plus apparently an entirely disconnected "anything, it is" of which there are at least two. < 1459209487 86292 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1459209487 216751 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc* iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack oots pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube < 1459209490 296045 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ds01-214-177.dynamic.mtsallstream.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1459209501 634881 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fancy < 1459209579 458977 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "it" on the second line is also zem. The floppy drive (or lack of it) was the link there, I guess. < 1459209669 78199 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to have been trying to move files onto the silly thing by using gphoto2 to upload a tarball into an old digital camera that used CF cards, then plug that CF card into zem with a PCMCIA adapter. Wonder if that actually worked. < 1459209762 94402 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION vaguely recalls being paid to manage a room with a netware server at the university back in the early 90s.
< 1459209769 143776 :p34k!~p34k@nat-wh-wz4-12.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de QUIT : < 1459209802 765684 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was novell, at any rate. and in retrospect i was woefully underqualified but somehow shambled through. < 1459209831 146247 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :We had a NetWare [some version] server at [particular kind of school but details of education systems vary so much between countries I'm not sure there's an unambiguous term]. < 1459209860 885209 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :who was talking about checked beans again? < 1459209881 838736 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what's the name of that effect where you keep seeing and hearing about a thing you just learned about? < 1459209886 613126 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :All I remember is that it was vulnerably to some really simple way of elevating your account (assuming you had one; most students didn't) to have superuser privileges. < 1459209894 226096 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/ly/le/ < 1459209904 473877 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also something about login scripts. < 1459209965 26011 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was an "edutainment" game about puberty made by some one-man software company, a point-and-click adventure with a buncha verbs in a menu, many of which weren't at all relevant gameplay-wise. < 1459209995 677750 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :E.g. there was a "listen" command, which just played some random beeps and bloops and printed out "I hear voices, do you too?" (except in Finnish). < 1459210005 716229 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: I don't want to know how much effort went into http://legacy.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0465/ and the surrounding discussion < 1459210021 651090 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: (that's the one that added @ to Python) < 1459210030 221186 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Ah < 1459210032 68424 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The Finnish translation of that idiom is literally closer to "I hear sounds", not specifically voices, which made it fit a bit better.) < 1459210141 40897 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: anyway reading it, the main point seems to be that they managed to demonstrate that lacking such an operator leads to significant pain; "But isn't it weird to add an operator with no stdlib uses?" is particularly noteworthy ("we tried using *, and it's still painful") < 1459210151 991174 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: b_jonas and int-e. i have no idea what they were talking about. also, synchronicity is a general word but there was a more specific term that was memetic a few years ago... < 1459210182 979346 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: could it be that there's a webcomic you don't read... < 1459210183 466440 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Interesting < 1459210212 195827 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=3186 < 1459210243 572480 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: "baader-meinhof effect". although wikipedia says that's a colloquial term for "frequency illusion". < 1459210253 449982 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, *phenomenon. < 1459210317 594825 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that the one where if you buy a car of make Foo, then suddenly it seems like everyone in the city are driving Foo cars and the streets are full of them? < 1459210338 120011 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they break all the time, have accidents all the time? < 1459210346 271919 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Also something about login scripts. <-- i vaguely think i maintained something like that. < 1459210354 1730 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is extrapolating.
< 1459210551 816212 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: tdh, and tdh too. < 1459210567 689615 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many people read QC in this here chännel? < 1459210591 667910 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Approximately three? < 1459210623 38644 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In a former [something akin to a job; exact details too tiresome to describe] the (Windows) network environment had a login batch script, which ran some registry-editing jobs using a Windows sudo equivalent, with a hardcoded username ("sp5_update") and password (something like "ohdamn", except again in Finnish) in the script. < 1459210668 309436 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/\[.*\]/engagement/ ? < 1459210685 895810 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had to use that account to do my job, because Photoshop's print dialog did not work if Photoshop wasn't running as an user with administrator rights. < 1459210700 820536 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Computers 'r hard.) < 1459210755 341806 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a vague enough term to be applicable to almost anything. < 1459210761 577759 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, can you read the login script or did you have to read the commands in the shell window? < 1459210778 511554 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could read the script, I think. < 1459210783 54267 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell rdococ so "programming language" is feminine and "a programming language" is masculine <-- you seem confused. anyway, "programmeringsspråk" is neuter hth < 1459210783 184710 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1459210784 787337 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yeah being vague was my idea. < 1459210822 125602 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was about to say I think you need read privileges in order to be able to execute a batch file, but I'm sure it could've been something more complicated. < 1459210838 829842 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, it was just a (readable) .bat in a z:\ drive in this case, at least. < 1459210851 118668 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just haven't used windows much... I do remember commands scrolling by on login though. < 1459210866 912184 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, you could also see the commands flash by in a console window as well. < 1459210876 310846 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : oerjan: could it be that there's a webcomic you don't read... <-- of course. afaict there are infinitely many webcomics and a finite day. < 1459210877 574893 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That might've been what got me curious to look for the login script in the first place. < 1459210899 147405 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/used/worked with/ (I have a windows installation for games...) < 1459210943 595455 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Oh did I forget to add a smiley? < 1459210961 35112 :jaboja!~jaboja@vps.jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1459211113 922337 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: by "ohdamn" you mean "perkele", right < 1459211200 826535 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :To throw aspiring computer crackers off, they had in fact avoided "real" swearwords. < 1459211206 187181 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :A stereotype is a two-channel monotype? < 1459211234 486683 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? stereo < 1459211238 764832 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :stereo? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1459211252 826813 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? stereomorphism < 1459211253 696715 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :stereomorphism? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1459211258 205499 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1459211275 781509 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? stereotype < 1459211276 641055 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :stereotype? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1459211291 81450 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? stereoisomer < 1459211292 27579 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :stereoisomer? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1459211299 726731 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? stereocle < 1459211300 499750 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :stereocle? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1459211315 849509 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn A stereotype is a two-channel monotype. < 1459211315 979782 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? stereophtongue < 1459211320 677667 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds good to me. < 1459211322 569606 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :stereophtongue? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1459211324 81752 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'stereotype': A stereotype is a two-channel monotype. < 1459211331 226751 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? zerg < 1459211332 230503 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zerg? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1459211349 89769 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? protoss < 1459211349 867759 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :protoss? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1459211352 849441 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? terran < 1459211353 632099 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :terran? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1459211356 47328 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`le/rn zerg/We'll try to think of an entry here, but we don't want to rush it. < 1459211358 201349 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ling < 1459211358 331652 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned «zerg» < 1459211358 982210 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ling? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1459211379 901587 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? stereastery < 1459211380 785507 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :stereastery? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1459211391 561467 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? sterester < 1459211392 594743 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sterester? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1459211398 853420 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? sterek < 1459211399 623097 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sterek? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1459211406 932046 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? stereey < 1459211407 729526 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :stereey? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1459211425 66076 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? sterekey < 1459211427 230023 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sterekey? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1459211436 80390 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? steret everest < 1459211436 966273 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :steret everest? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1459211453 733925 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` echo wisdom/ste* < 1459211454 934950 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom/stephen wolfram wisdom/stereotype < 1459211587 82714 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/`` < 1459211588 669568 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/sh \ export LANG=C; exec bash -O extglob -c "$@" | rnooodl < 1459211592 858242 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/` < 1459211595 255891 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/bash \ TIMEFORMAT="real: %lR, user: %lU, sys: %lS" \ shopt -s extglob globstar \ eval -- "$1" | rnooodl < 1459211605 992326 :Lilly_Goodman!~canaima@181-18-98-242.dyn.movilnet.com.ve JOIN :#esoteric < 1459211627 142465 :Lilly_Goodman!~canaima@181-18-98-242.dyn.movilnet.com.ve QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1459211666 763439 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: i think some of those words are a bit of a sterech. < 1459211679 794613 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*steretch < 1459211685 346866 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? pun < 1459211686 377098 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Puns are fun. Ask shachaf about them. < 1459211703 13654 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? pike < 1459211703 917615 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pike? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1459211705 991546 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? python < 1459211707 62382 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :python? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1459211712 572985 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? cobol < 1459211713 452990 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cobol? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1459211713 898985 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn_append pun But beware of Muphry adding misspellings. < 1459211716 681352 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'pun': Puns are fun. Ask shachaf about them. But beware of Muphry adding misspellings. < 1459211747 425659 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo wisdom/fo* < 1459211748 527129 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom/foe wisdom/fomething wisdom/footnote 1 wisdom/footnote 8 wisdom/for further details wisdom/for further details. wisdom/for further details for futher details. wisdom/forth wisdom/fortran wisdom/forty < 1459211763 264168 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? forty < 1459211764 365232 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :forty means "in a fort-like manner" < 1459211766 415653 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? forth < 1459211767 575466 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since Biblical times, Forth has been the go-to language for multiplication. < 1459211828 261856 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` echo wisdom/*lang < 1459211832 329945 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom/sgeolang < 1459211878 68025 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? sgeolang < 1459211879 351954 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeolang is probably Rust ATM. < 1459211893 46214 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` echo wisdom/*lang* < 1459211896 383697 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom/imperative language wisdom/languabe wisdom/sgeolang < 1459211931 935462 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1459211952 272305 :Lilly_Goodman!~canaima@181.34.19.34 JOIN :#esoteric < 1459211959 869603 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? nothing < 1459211960 663672 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1459211972 809032 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Nothing would have been better than to create this wisdom entry. < 1459211974 982413 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'nothing': Nothing would have been better than to create this wisdom entry. < 1459212036 912486 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? this < 1459212037 874956 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is a word < 1459212040 691659 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? that < 1459212041 910104 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1459212042 40441 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? the < 1459212043 29150 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? and < 1459212044 4687 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Toe of Harriness's Enclosure < 1459212044 524009 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1459212062 45624 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1459212062 885648 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​¯\(°​_o)/¯ is a misspelling of ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1459212087 677240 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` find wisdom -type f -print0 | xargs -0 grep -El ' (are|is) just ' | sed -e 's|^wisdom/||' < 1459212088 826245 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quote \ monoidal category \ justice \ grammar \ brain \ monads \ chu space \ object \ syntax \ partial order \ mdude \ endofunctor \ functor \ indexed monad \ automatic squirrel feeder \ arrow \ ngram model \ character \ group \ 1 \ lens \ monad \ hallucination \ doodad \ monoids \ torus \ equal temperament \ endomorphism \ bicategory \ d-module \ < 1459212128 989220 :MDude!~MDude@pa-67-234-117-223.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, I'm a whole categorey of wisdom? < 1459212135 708458 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So many things are just some kind of other things. < 1459212150 158157 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? Zaphod Beeblebrox < 1459212151 195842 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zaphod Beeblebrox? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1459212155 733617 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? zaphod < 1459212156 666931 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zaphod? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1459212158 531442 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? beeblebrox < 1459212159 418769 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :beeblebrox? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1459212166 133497 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? just < 1459212167 6736 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1459212178 78512 :MDude!~MDude@pa-67-234-117-223.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? justice < 1459212178 970490 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Justice is just behavior or treatment. < 1459212190 757584 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a good one. < 1459212236 486281 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some of those are false positives. < 1459212253 278165 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But many are not.) < 1459212265 781649 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Just is just an adverb. < 1459212267 844598 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'just': Just is just an adverb. < 1459212313 189385 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Just is just a just adverb. < 1459212315 608039 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Relearned 'just': Just is just a just adverb. < 1459212801 496010 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha ha < 1459213001 894007 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? bicyclops < 1459213002 711958 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bicyclops? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1459213061 942970 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :technically cyclops are named for the shape of their eye, not its number < 1459213101 705481 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*+e < 1459213400 813178 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :squarops < 1459213427 743584 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: seems that it is actually a folk etymology < 1459213438 357109 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> This is thought to be a folk etymology, with the true etymology in Proto-Indo-European *pḱu-klōps ‎(“cattle thief”) becoming obscured after the loss of the word *peḱu-. < 1459213439 538541 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : :1:39: parse error on input ‘,’ < 1459213443 569584 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck lambdabot. < 1459213452 374060 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: huh < 1459213458 406433 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just using a familiar markdown syntax here and there < 1459213684 912616 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hmm, seems that there is no widely accepted theory. anyway, under the PIE proposal the appearance of cyclops is actually retroactively influenced by the folk etymology. < 1459213694 767431 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? nobody < 1459213695 826172 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1459213713 458175 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and the cyclops itself likely had regular two eyes) < 1459213804 955629 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Nobody killed the cyclops Polyphemos after he tried to eat a shipful of sailors, and this percieved injustice made Poseidon so mad he swore vengeance at him and the gods couldn't calm him down for ten years. < 1459213809 99687 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'nobody': Nobody killed the cyclops Polyphemos after he tried to eat a shipful of sailors, and this percieved injustice made Poseidon so mad he swore vengeance at him and the gods couldn't calm him down for ten years. < 1459213841 146998 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: and Polyphemos is named that because he has many eyes? < 1459213841 484879 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`sedlast s/percieve/perceive/ < 1459213844 702788 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1459213850 777158 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? nobody < 1459213851 800373 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nobody killed the cyclops Polyphemos after he tried to eat a shipful of sailors, and this perceived injustice made Poseidon so mad he swore vengeance at him and the gods couldn't calm him down for ten years. < 1459213864 302400 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: fine point. < 1459213867 778851 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, thanks for the spelling correction < 1459213910 135370 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i before e, except after c, and a heap of other exceptions hth < 1459213953 46605 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes, weird and either < 1459213975 922354 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe that should specifically say Zeus and Athene instead of just the gods? < 1459214001 354658 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :although Hermes was there too < 1459214109 536093 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about Bob < 1459214153 119246 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/sedlast < 1459214153 839576 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sed -i "$1" "$(lastfiles)" < 1459214317 784135 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ring < 1459214318 655144 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Addition, subtraction and multiplication have a certain ring to them. < 1459214319 522223 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? the ring < 1459214320 257055 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ring? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1459214326 86608 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/mk < 1459214327 475069 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[[ "$1" == ?*//* ]] || { echo usage: "mk[x]" file//contents >&2; exit 1; }; key="${1%%//*}"; value="${1#*//}"; echo "$value" > "$(echo-p "$key")" && echo "$key" < 1459214331 538294 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? one ring < 1459214333 414515 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to find them, One Ring to bring them all and in the darkness bind them < 1459214342 250290 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? mark < 1459214343 134350 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mark? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1459214395 39206 :Lilly_Goodman!~canaima@181.34.19.34 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hola < 1459214399 864074 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slashlearn mark/A mark of one's destiny singled out alone, fulfilled. < 1459214402 59073 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned «mark» < 1459214422 849506 :lambda-11235!~lambda-11@47-208-113-50.erkacmtk03.res.dyn.suddenlink.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459214427 38755 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? sun < 1459214427 997335 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Sun *may* be retroreflectorey, it's hard to be sure. < 1459214436 834457 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? moon < 1459214438 849676 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Moon is an unprovable celestial object that is not very retroreflectorey. < 1459214558 559154 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a retroreflectorey moon might be hard to see from earth < 1459214637 654830 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? point < 1459214638 620944 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :point? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1459214659 222400 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? sense < 1459214660 89750 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sense? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1459214834 698918 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? pike < 1459214835 458942 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pike? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1459214837 765602 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: LOGARITHMIC CHICKEN < 1459214847 982186 :jaboja!~jaboja@vps.jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1459214869 664083 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Pike is an interpreted language that got sort of forgotten among the four big mainstream p-languages (perl, python, ruby, php). < 1459214872 128914 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'pike': Pike is an interpreted language that got sort of forgotten among the four big mainstream p-languages (perl, python, ruby, php). < 1459214961 244796 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? patch < 1459214962 67928 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :patch? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1459214976 407439 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn patch is the precursor to both perl and version control < 1459214979 44951 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'patch': patch is the precursor to both perl and version control < 1459214989 772559 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: That happened when Go was released, right? < 1459215005 230740 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :go robbed pike of its rightful place < 1459215050 651596 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` echo wisdom/*point* < 1459215051 610400 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom/*point* < 1459215166 925381 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh new folks have found us? < 1459215217 424586 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: a retrofeflectorey moon would be painful to look at during the full moon. it would be like a day that didn't end < 1459215565 441219 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459215656 630291 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Waaaaaaaaaaaaaai < 1459215657 317119 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :t < 1459215683 834182 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Yep, I see what you did there < 1459215762 239307 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: why? it would only reflect the light towards earth that came from earth. < 1459215779 653763 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1459215839 479861 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1459215850 789902 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Sense is the ability to understand things. A person with much sense is called a sensei. < 1459215856 110601 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'sense': Sense is the ability to understand things. A person with much sense is called a sensei. < 1459215963 204112 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan++ < 1459215974 145156 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are truly the heart of wisdom < 1459215996 439473 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks! < 1459216028 146600 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` sed -i 's/$/./' wisdom/patch < 1459216030 896986 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1459216045 919681 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :but now i wonder how sensei relates to censorship < 1459216060 144743 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : oh new folks have found us? <-- wut? < 1459216093 384979 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1459216173 306661 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh oops < 1459216183 363917 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Sense is the ability to understand things. A person with much sense is called a sensei. < 1459216187 854915 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Relearned 'sense': Sense is the ability to understand things. A person with much sense is called a sensei. < 1459216194 568062 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :keep mixing up spacing rules < 1459216413 527713 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459216822 462227 :Lilly_Goodman!~canaima@181.34.19.34 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1459216858 660869 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : ITWASAPREDICTIONANDITWASRIGHT!ALLHAILOERJANTHEPRESCIENTMASTEROF#ESOTERIC! <-- what now. < 1459216864 375901 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ESRCH < 1459216866 48268 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ESRCH? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1459216874 544254 :Lilly_Goodman!~canaima@181-17-3-115.dyn.movilnet.com.ve JOIN :#esoteric < 1459216885 397797 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1459216917 691802 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? EINTR < 1459216920 31977 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :EINTR? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1459216921 203743 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? EPERM < 1459216922 848345 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :EPERM? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1459216923 155656 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ENOENT < 1459216925 122861 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ENOENT? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1459216930 998261 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? EBADF < 1459216931 983002 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :EBADF? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1459216999 47049 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ear < 1459217001 588101 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ear? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1459217227 12345 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ENONET < 1459217227 718471 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ENONET? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1459217232 291620 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ENOTSOCK < 1459217234 537156 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ENOTSOCK? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1459217243 479125 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? EIEIO < 1459217244 317777 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :EIEIO? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1459217262 900278 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ESOCKTNOSUPPORT < 1459217263 749966 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ESOCKTNOSUPPORT? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1459217269 346451 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: have you considered `cat wisdom/{ESRCH,EINTR,EPERM,ETC} < 1459217296 452484 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` echo wisdom/{*wh*,e*} < 1459217297 597836 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom/people who taneb is not wisdom/programmers knowing what they're doing wisdom/twh wisdom/twhib wisdom/whatchamacallit wisdom/who wisdom/whom wisdom/effilry wisdom/egobot wisdom/ehird wisdom/ehlist wisdom/el camino real wisdom/elendil wisdom/eliot wisdom/eliott wisdom/elliot wisdom/elliott wisdom/elrond wisdom/elronnd wisdom/emac wisdom/endofu < 1459217307 64129 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course i mean `` cat < 1459217309 322285 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :or `` grep '' < 1459217379 429451 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? EDQUOT < 1459217380 249019 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :EDQUOT? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1459217488 524224 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? double < 1459217489 299152 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :double? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1459217489 852094 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? single < 1459217490 830146 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :single? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1459217628 868287 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? float < 1459217629 671507 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :float? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1459217637 108064 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? iaq < 1459217637 842504 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :iaq? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1459217809 148014 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`forget metest < 1459217814 91641 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Forget what? < 1459217890 830693 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`culprits wisdom/rdococ < 1459217894 796204 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan < 1459217912 304764 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i _guess_ it just timed out before. < 1459218205 98942 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`forget menot < 1459218224 518500 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn_append zork Saneb invented it. < 1459218228 544353 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'zork': Zork is like York, except for the first letter. Saneb invented it. < 1459218236 302368 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1459218253 822069 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa whoa whoa < 1459218253 952366 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`sedlast s/Saneb/Uaneb/ < 1459218256 997721 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1459218258 142075 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :some sort of contravariance going on there? < 1459218261 100674 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :or that < 1459218440 525525 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459218509 479284 :mihow!~mihow@c-73-67-227-118.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459218800 511527 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : or http://www.irregularwebcomic.net/1186.html with infinitely many heads <-- now i'm disappointed that i see nothing relevant when googling "gillette toothbrush" < 1459219033 607248 :Lilly_Goodman!~canaima@181-17-3-115.dyn.movilnet.com.ve QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1459219133 934775 :Lilly_Goodman!~canaima@190-76-197-229.dyn.movilnet.com.ve JOIN :#esoteric < 1459219244 607963 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : So you rang the computer and plugged in your typewriter <-- my father took one home once and let me try it out this way, back in 1982 or thereabouts. < 1459219259 929914 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459219267 865762 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a typewriter with a modem, that is.) < 1459219438 942665 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it had a printer, no crt < 1459219526 573409 :Lilly_Goodman!~canaima@190-76-197-229.dyn.movilnet.com.ve QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1459219533 921796 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1459219709 720249 :Lilly_Goodman!~canaima@186-26-151-62.dyn.movilnet.com.ve JOIN :#esoteric < 1459219754 312498 :tromp!~tromp@216.223.243.225 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thx for the link, oerjan < 1459220002 377896 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1459220032 9003 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you weren't speaking much so probably lambdabot didn't remind you very quickly? < 1459220071 179688 :benderpc_!benderpc@2404:e800:e61a:41d:913f:4d6f:1813:5363 JOIN :#esoteric < 1459220247 854954 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tromp: ^ < 1459220608 374431 :tromp!~tromp@216.223.243.225 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i saw it earlier today < 1459221269 29999 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1459221502 276294 :mihow!~mihow@c-73-67-227-118.hsd1.or.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1459221528 876880 :mihow!~mihow@c-73-67-227-118.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459221547 304217 :mihow!~mihow@c-73-67-227-118.hsd1.or.comcast.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1459221571 208178 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: If someone made a social network you could browse from a shell, would you use it? xD < 1459222792 367062 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1459222812 892247 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't use social networks < 1459222826 664608 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not really so interested in social networks, I can just use stuff like RDF instead < 1459222888 327983 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: You should tell that to vaporware. < 1459222913 526484 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why? I think it does not concern them < 1459222925 368693 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, vaporware makes a social network. < 1459223369 409548 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459223915 45276 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459224994 514618 :Lilly_Goodman!~canaima@186-26-151-62.dyn.movilnet.com.ve QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1459225045 512734 :Lilly_Goodman!~canaima@181-18-98-127.dyn.movilnet.com.ve JOIN :#esoteric < 1459225272 483388 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What thing is currently wrong with TVMIDI that I have missed? (I know many things I did not put in yet, although maybe there is something I forgot, therefore I would need to be notified please.) < 1459225492 937764 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1459227166 297113 :Lilly_Goodman1!~canaima@181-17-35-223.dyn.movilnet.com.ve JOIN :#esoteric < 1459227321 163058 :Lilly_Goodman!~canaima@181-18-98-127.dyn.movilnet.com.ve QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1459229108 83756 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Kaynato 5* 10New user account < 1459229126 183865 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459229404 199239 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1459230365 390296 :benderpc_!benderpc@2404:e800:e61a:41d:913f:4d6f:1813:5363 QUIT :Changing host < 1459230365 559508 :benderpc_!benderpc@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 JOIN :#esoteric < 1459230448 402808 :benderpc_!benderpc@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 NICK :bender| < 1459230608 983239 :lambda-11235!~lambda-11@47-208-113-50.erkacmtk03.res.dyn.suddenlink.net QUIT :Quit: Bye < 1459231260 295437 :Lilly_Goodman1!~canaima@181-17-35-223.dyn.movilnet.com.ve QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1459231386 9895 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07The Abstract Computer14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46674&oldid=46668 5* 03Quintopia 5* (+4523) 10added some Post canonical systems < 1459231445 480498 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hB6eY73sLV0 < 1459231446 908881 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07The Abstract Computer14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46675&oldid=46674 5* 03Quintopia 5* (-4) 10/* The Tag */ < 1459231536 893468 :Lilly_Goodman!~canaima@181-17-35-223.dyn.movilnet.com.ve JOIN :#esoteric < 1459231538 827868 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Daoyu14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=46676 5* 03Kaynato 5* (+5316) 10initial publish < 1459231581 484811 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Daoyu14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46677&oldid=46676 5* 03Kaynato 5* (-16) 10 < 1459231628 229898 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 upload10 02 5* 03Kaynato 5* 10uploaded "[[02File:Daoyu Symbol Table.png10]]": Symbol table for Daoyu < 1459231636 845916 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 upload10 02 5* 03Kaynato 5* 10uploaded "[[02File:Daoyu Level Table.png10]]": Level table for Daoyu. < 1459231651 828077 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 upload10 02 5* 03Kaynato 5* 10uploaded "[[02File:Daoyu SWAPS Explanation.png10]]": Explains(?) Daoyu SWAPS. < 1459231665 922568 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 upload10 02 5* 03Kaynato 5* 10uploaded "[[02File:Daoyu LATER Explanation.png10]]": Explains(?) Daoyu LATER. < 1459231675 441522 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 upload10 02 5* 03Kaynato 5* 10uploaded "[[02File:Daoyu MERGE Explanation.png10]]": Explains(?) Daoyu MERGE. < 1459231690 151978 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 upload10 02 5* 03Kaynato 5* 10uploaded "[[02File:Daoyu HALVE Explanation.png10]]": Explains(?) Daoyu HALVE. < 1459232130 254154 :Lilly_Goodman!~canaima@181-17-35-223.dyn.movilnet.com.ve QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1459232291 657819 :Lilly_Goodman!~canaima@181-17-35-223.dyn.movilnet.com.ve JOIN :#esoteric < 1459233379 952298 :Lilly_Goodman!~canaima@181-17-35-223.dyn.movilnet.com.ve QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1459233578 496531 :Lilly_Goodman!~canaima@181-17-35-223.dyn.movilnet.com.ve JOIN :#esoteric < 1459235531 385118 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Minovsky Physics is interesting < 1459235818 24392 :carado!~carado@savhon.org QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1459236038 708240 :carado!~carado@savhon.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1459237001 324586 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.108 JOIN :#esoteric < 1459237009 411387 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fnǔrd. < 1459237594 5361 :Lilly_Goodman!~canaima@181-17-35-223.dyn.movilnet.com.ve QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1459239154 715613 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`olist 1030 < 1459239183 837876 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olist 1030: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly boily nortti b_jonas < 1459239250 885513 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that olist was olisted several days ago hth < 1459239305 588237 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn < 1459239320 556954 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ol'list < 1459239356 153719 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :really? < 1459239365 55467 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1459239365 919189 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn < 1459239375 288936 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just that I haven't loaded the link from this browser yet < 1459239378 255493 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry for the false alarm < 1459239384 220210 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's indeed not a new strip < 1459239394 655746 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(blame the long weekend) < 1459239484 483628 :impomatic_!~digital_w@85.8.189.80.dyn.plus.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459239660 466699 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a strip blip < 1459239885 221372 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:feff:ff:fe00:316b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well < 1459239893 215519 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:feff:ff:fe00:316b PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks like there may be a spell in IWC named after me < 1459239899 216872 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:feff:ff:fe00:316b PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to be less impulsive on kickstarter < 1459239976 45954 :^v!~v^@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1459239996 242009 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a spell? < 1459240020 985747 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it's for the printed books? < 1459240058 279168 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:feff:ff:fe00:316b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1459240068 647689 :^v!~v^@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459240078 545562 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:feff:ff:fe00:316b PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of the limited rewards is "SPELLSLINGER: A copy of the print collection book + a PDF digital copy + a set of comic postcards + Kyros learns a spell named after you." < 1459240371 981982 :^v!~v^@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1459240489 533989 :^v!~v^@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459241049 784832 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: um... wasn't IWC using Patreon rather than Kickstarter in first place? < 1459241070 418432 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:feff:ff:fe00:316b PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas, it's kickstarting a print collection < 1459241108 646244 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :So those are two separate things? ok < 1459241114 168643 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/things/funds/ < 1459241148 97872 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that can't work. Patreon specifically mentions book compilations. < 1459241184 761413 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, I see! < 1459241197 260431 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The new kickstarter thing is linked from the transient news entry. < 1459241849 658837 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1459242133 860148 :carado!~carado@savhon.org QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1459242192 194868 :carado!~carado@savhon.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1459242582 62365 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: are you trying to get something funded? < 1459242590 7051 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:feff:ff:fe00:316b PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, yes < 1459242596 15351 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:feff:ff:fe00:316b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hopefully not single handedly < 1459242715 471796 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :link? < 1459242897 225236 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:feff:ff:fe00:316b PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/dmmaus/irregular-webcomic-burning-down-the-alehouse < 1459243193 561824 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: linked from today's transient news entry on Irregular Webcomics < 1459243271 907452 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1459243296 125223 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like videos of people falling into water fountains because they're distracted by their smartphones much more. < 1459243311 286164 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can I fund that? < 1459243607 889534 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: you mean like, pay people to get distracted by smartphones and fall into fountains? or pay people to record video next to water fountains and search them for such occasions and publish them? or pay people to build more water fountains and more distracting smartphone games? < 1459243626 578568 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you can fund smartphone games. < 1459243668 731536 :Goldplay!551090c0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.16.144.192 JOIN :#esoteric < 1459243784 54161 :Goldplay!551090c0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.16.144.192 QUIT :Client Quit < 1459244195 931802 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1459244215 265847 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459244671 520864 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1459246355 612319 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1459246819 221232 :Reece`!~nothing@cpc4-wiga13-2-0-cust799.18-3.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459248295 705676 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: PHYLUM CHICKEN < 1459249818 80157 :puckipedia!~puck@irc.puckipedia.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1459249984 28133 :earendel!~earendel@unaffiliated/earendel QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1459250276 454561 :puckipedia!~puck@irc.puckipedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1459251713 807950 :earendel!~earendel@unaffiliated/earendel JOIN :#esoteric < 1459252352 251930 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com < 1459252371 679300 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1459253662 528663 :vodkode_!~vodkode@fl-71-52-127-115.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459253943 965554 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1459257346 408604 :Froox!~Frooxius@194.108.5.201 JOIN :#esoteric < 1459257446 928047 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@194.108.5.201 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1459257555 127677 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@194.108.5.201 JOIN :#esoteric < 1459257661 39924 :Froox!~Frooxius@194.108.5.201 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1459258108 212501 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could fund a special interest group whose mission is to promote disinterest < 1459258131 189378 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I imagine it might be a victim of its own success < 1459258224 284943 :spygame!773f8e32@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.119.63.142.50 JOIN :#esoteric < 1459260196 435203 :lambda-11235!~lambda-11@47-208-113-50.erkacmtk03.res.dyn.suddenlink.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459260632 712216 :I!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1459260655 940187 :I!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com NICK :Guest6809 < 1459260753 705187 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-5-127.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1459260789 794883 :p34k!~p34k@nat-wh-wz4-12.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1459261494 4362 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Hajo 5* 10New user account < 1459261811 497776 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm. That ^ account creation's email address confirmation message bounced, because the esolangs.org box has CaC's default reverse-DNS entry (of the form x.cloudatcost.com), and their email provider rejects if it's "a generic standard entry of your provider". < 1459261815 501887 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So picky. < 1459262145 321491 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes sense though < 1459262182 721303 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :proper providers allow user-defined reverse lookups < 1459262267 999282 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well, no, it really doesn't make sense... I can see how it catches many more spammers than legitimate sites though) < 1459262373 868337 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-5-127.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1459262530 288179 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Did you have a cloud-at-no-cost box, or was it someone else? Do they let you set a PTR record? (I would hope so.) < 1459262553 708549 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Hajo14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=46684 5* 03Hajo 5* (+4) 10new < 1459262942 230063 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: if by "no cost" you mean the one-time payment deal, I have one of those... I don't recall whether I went looking for a way to set the PTR record though. (I definitely didn't set one) < 1459263161 95167 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. Right, that's also what esolangs.org is on. < 1459263269 95238 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway the control panel has a "reverse dns" field. < 1459263355 249062 :lambda-11235!~lambda-11@47-208-113-50.erkacmtk03.res.dyn.suddenlink.net QUIT :Quit: Bye < 1459263557 617912 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mhm. Well, that'd need a divine (Gregor) intervention. < 1459263582 883350 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? gregor < 1459263612 370400 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor took forty cakes. He took 40 cakes. That's as many as four tens. And that's terrible. < 1459263626 749054 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the status of esolangs.org ownership? < 1459263645 540016 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(speaking of divine intervention) < 1459263881 2490 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Registry Expiry Date: 2016-05-24T19:21:16Z < 1459263916 446576 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, how have I never heard of cloudatcost? < 1459263940 72265 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :prooftechnique: because they suck :P < 1459263959 81183 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :As I have just seen with a cursory googling < 1459263965 43946 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that deal was too good < 1459264006 999717 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I believe they don't really maintain their hardware... they definitely don't have working abuse management. The best use of them I've heard of is for Tor exit nodes :P) < 1459264069 591141 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's this site by an ardent fan ;-) http://www.cloudatacost.com/ < 1459264463 202991 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I guess I understand the frustration, but I have to imagine their support team is an unpaid intern. < 1459264473 868119 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Oh, it's that soon. < 1459264475 929792 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The margins on their service must be pretty slim < 1459264481 742865 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :prooftechnique: exactly. < 1459264527 741909 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got my cac server for amusement value... to see how broken it would be. < 1459264570 813930 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wasn't disappointed... I don't get to see many read errors from storage devices these days ;-) < 1459264620 723161 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stunning < 1459265192 787666 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.108 QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1459265682 884762 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I talked about taking ownership of the domain when it last expired, a year ago, but then didn't actually do anything. < 1459265827 746142 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also had a very hypothetical thoughts of asking the channel for bitcoin donations and verifiably using those to pay for the domain, but that seems like such a hassle. Plus I had trouble finding a domain registrar that simultaneously (a) appeared not to suck, (b) accepted bitcoins and (c) had WHOIS privacy on by default instead of a pay-extra option. < 1459265834 327713 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arguably (c) is part of (a). < 1459266101 262698 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, Namecheap is like 3 USD a year. It's not default, but it's also not a pile of money. They at least haven't sucked for my domain registrations < 1459266231 983632 :pelegreno!~cinch@107.170.175.57 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1459266306 450778 :pelegreno!~cinch@107.170.175.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1459266513 954530 :pelegreno!~cinch@107.170.175.57 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1459266585 58410 :pelegreno!~cinch@107.170.175.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1459266642 380057 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, to me Namecheap is saying £8.83/year for .org, plus £2.02/year for WhoisGuard, to a total of £10.85 ($15.49). < 1459266650 591046 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not *much* money, but it's also not "like 3 USD". < 1459266663 220346 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, sorry, I meant just for the Whois < 1459266671 81748 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, should have been clearer < 1459266691 548635 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. Right. Yeah, sure. < 1459267041 180728 :bender|!benderpc@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 QUIT :Quit: [Ping Pong fuck out: 69.69 seconds] < 1459267166 710510 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Daoyu14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46685&oldid=46677 5* 03Kaynato 5* (+116) 10Added categories. < 1459267209 840543 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Kaynato14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=46686 5* 03Kaynato 5* (+57) 10Created page with "I make [[Daoyu]]. There will be more on this page later." < 1459267403 758525 :spygame!773f8e32@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.119.63.142.50 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1459267408 314098 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Daoyu14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46687&oldid=46685 5* 03Kaynato 5* (+399) 10Added some description < 1459267541 678353 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Daoyu14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46688&oldid=46687 5* 03Kaynato 5* (+354) 10Added some more description < 1459267754 428638 :irctc131!6b4d4c15@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.77.76.21 JOIN :#esoteric < 1459267778 345171 :irctc131!6b4d4c15@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.77.76.21 QUIT :Client Quit < 1459268018 612566 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://imgur.com/gallery/I7wFi oooh thisissocool < 1459268069 508649 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoa < 1459268209 529359 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :um... < 1459268213 286610 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If only someone could come up with a simpler way to compute boolean expressions. I don't mind it, but all the weights make my office so loud. < 1459268217 175105 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I'm pretty sure this one is new < 1459268236 334051 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`olist 1031 < 1459268250 864397 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olist 1031: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly boily nortti b_jonas < 1459268717 8201 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/oswg-member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: oh nice < 1459268739 783370 :earendel!~earendel@unaffiliated/earendel QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1459268788 231180 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: how deep can one make the circuits before they require a black hole? < 1459268916 912509 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@194.108.5.201 QUIT :Quit: *bubbles away* < 1459268939 18417 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@194.108.5.201 JOIN :#esoteric < 1459269317 359374 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Daoyu14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46689&oldid=46688 5* 03Kaynato 5* (+0) 10Incorrect capitalization lead to incorrect category link < 1459269518 943495 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I'm pretty sure that'll be around full-adder < 1459269853 949778 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Lynn 5* 10New user account < 1459270169 596501 :Reece`!~nothing@cpc4-wiga13-2-0-cust799.18-3.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1459270341 419084 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1459270388 208280 :Reece`!~nothing@cpc4-wiga13-2-0-cust799.18-3.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459270724 430209 :mihow!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459270956 497744 :gremlins!~nothing@cpc4-wiga13-2-0-cust799.18-3.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459271198 322245 :Lymee!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe JOIN :#esoteric < 1459271252 209065 :oren!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1459271253 213839 :clog!~nef@bespin.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1459271253 357225 :incomprehensibly!sid3405@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wklzoyenlfwsvjyj QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1459271253 814226 :Reece`!~nothing@cpc4-wiga13-2-0-cust799.18-3.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1459271254 621521 :carado!~carado@savhon.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1459271256 176965 :jameseb!~jameseb_@runciman.hacksoc.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1459271257 81584 :staffehn_!~quassel@2001:41d0:52:d00::1d3 QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1459271257 240141 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1459271258 817700 :staffehn!~quassel@2001:41d0:52:d00::1d3 JOIN :#esoteric < 1459271258 948097 :oren!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1459271261 155964 :Lymee!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe NICK :Lymia < 1459271264 46747 :jaboja!~jaboja@vps.jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1459271280 293246 :jameseb!~jameseb_@runciman.hacksoc.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1459271284 447065 :carado!~carado@savhon.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1459271285 825961 :clog!~nef@bespin.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1459272091 526724 :incomprehensibly!sid3405@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nutkghybupupouto JOIN :#esoteric < 1459272457 976413 :lmt!uid107697@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hunxvyvxeupfvfhm JOIN :#esoteric < 1459272464 151382 :lmt!uid107697@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hunxvyvxeupfvfhm PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://imgur.com/gallery/I7wFi < 1459272480 789125 :lmt!uid107697@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hunxvyvxeupfvfhm PRIVMSG #esoteric :i always said you could make an esoteric language from a box of apples and some string < 1459272487 396438 :lmt!uid107697@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hunxvyvxeupfvfhm PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone went ahead and actually did it < 1459273226 532006 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459273372 984984 :jaboja!~jaboja@vps.jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1459273637 823338 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :deja vu < 1459274071 44667 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why would you get a LeaveNotify event if the mouse button is pushed? < 1459274112 131870 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :dragging? < 1459274175 307110 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Without dragging < 1459274397 340069 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It says that it is grabbed < 1459274628 818032 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh xev? apparently the mouse click is delivered to the outer window, not the inner one. Is this due to OwnerGrabButtonMask? < 1459274668 138777 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :In any case why didn't you mention that you were looking at xev output... < 1459274772 400184 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was not looking at xev output and I did not put OwnerGrabButtonMask < 1459274807 787416 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :However when I do use xev, I get different events, including KeymapNotify event whenever the button is pushed < 1459274812 757069 :lmt!uid107697@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hunxvyvxeupfvfhm PART :#esoteric < 1459274988 167824 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Daoyu14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46690&oldid=46689 5* 03Kaynato 5* (+1361) 10Ideas about writing < 1459275406 386766 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it supposed to do that? If so, why? The documentation can be a bit confusing in some cases < 1459275606 483658 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, it says "Unless an active grab already exists or a passive grab on the button combination that was pressed already exists at a higher level in the hierarchy than where the ButtonPress occurred, an automatic active grab of the pointer takes place when a ButtonPress occurs." < 1459276334 204101 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does make some sense though < 1459276379 180675 :Froox!~Frooxius@194.108.5.201 JOIN :#esoteric < 1459276404 251913 :jaboja!~jaboja@vps.jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1459276478 59235 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@194.108.5.201 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1459276489 817901 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46691&oldid=46619 5* 03Kaynato 5* (+12) 10Added Daoyu to Language List < 1459276978 579934 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1459277094 196597 :Froox!~Frooxius@194.108.5.201 QUIT :Quit: *bubbles away* < 1459277547 524025 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-93.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1459277967 274392 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this might be of interesting to everyone here: http://www.algodoo.com/what-is-it/ < 1459277993 631637 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel like I played that as a flash game < 1459278037 352059 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Time to make rockets fight lasers and a truck < 1459278159 510048 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :noooo < 1459278171 464296 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :think more on-topic! < 1459278191 444298 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :think exotic mechanical computers! < 1459278193 682215 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :consider! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YP8FjfS-f6Y < 1459278225 854980 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there's a reasonable argument to be made that a laser-rocket-truck fight can simulate a Turing machine < 1459278231 399236 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1459278243 737270 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is a very cool video, though < 1459278401 36541 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@194.108.5.201 JOIN :#esoteric < 1459278416 344703 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :im going to be playing with it a bunch, and then building some actual rod logic computers :) < 1459278440 948806 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think my favorite part of Algodoo videos so far is that they all have absolutely bonkers music backing them up < 1459278506 315931 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1459278877 353682 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1459278945 491579 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Hello world program in esoteric languages14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46692&oldid=46318 5* 03Kaynato 5* (+308) 10Added Daoyu implementation < 1459279516 939002 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Daoyu14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46693&oldid=46690 5* 03Kaynato 5* (+138) 10Formatting < 1459279539 268335 :jaboja!~jaboja@vps.jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1459279657 107291 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46694&oldid=46407 5* 03Kaynato 5* (+384) 10Added Daoyu implementation to /* Implementations */ < 1459280532 57535 :MoALTz!~no@78-11-183-124.static.ip.netia.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1459280825 982234 :vodkode_!~vodkode@fl-71-52-127-115.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1459281696 814611 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur, i remember this from yeeeears ago < 1459281719 973729 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think it was optimised enough for rod logic though... < 1459282470 874092 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: well, it looks like it is now! :) < 1459282611 822138 :jaboja!~jaboja@vps.jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1459282685 816550 :mihow!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1459283394 184012 :mihow!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459283743 527458 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-93.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1459284321 527872 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-93.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1459284732 707688 :Guest6809!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1459284937 543148 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-5-127.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1459285641 550208 :gremlins!~nothing@cpc4-wiga13-2-0-cust799.18-3.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1459285861 941357 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1459287624 465863 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1459287679 672050 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1459288270 269716 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1459288309 882470 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving... < 1459288420 196391 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1459288437 442370 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1459288438 383878 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there should be a progress bar or something... < 1459288457 972390 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellochaf. how you doin'? nice HackEgo weather innit? < 1459288464 964169 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? weather < 1459288478 366012 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :usb3/USB3 hosts are packaged with a full independent implementation of the older USB/USB2, going through separate pins in the same socket. It is similar to DVI, except you need a separate passive converter stub to plug VGA monitor to DVI socket, but you don't need one to plug a USB client to an USB3 host. < 1459288488 149379 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`culprits wisdom/usb3 < 1459288495 351602 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gonad/gonads are the best punctional fondlegramming squishcture. < 1459288498 905032 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot: @@ @@ (@where weather) CYUL ENVA ESSB KOAK < 1459288501 664018 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas b_jonas < 1459288502 65752 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`culprits wisdom/gonad < 1459288503 313869 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : CYUL 292100Z 32012G19KT 30SM FEW240 06/M11 A3002 RMK CI1 SLP170 \ ENVA 292120Z 24011KT 9999 FEW015 BKN022 05/02 Q0995 RMK WIND 670FT 26014KT \ ESSB 292150Z AUTO VRB02KT 9999 BKN082/// 02/01 Q1001 \ KOAK 292053Z 23007KT 10SM FEW010 17/03 A2988 RMK AO2 SLP117 T01720028 58009 < 1459288503 768425 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e ais523 oerjan elliott oerjan < 1459288586 142573 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm suffering from withdrawal. any other comics similar to GG I can binge on? < 1459288753 25320 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459288878 222225 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1459288969 83432 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Similar to GG, hmm. < 1459289064 142130 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1459289089 369438 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-93.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1459289435 915469 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459289737 477785 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal JOIN :#esoteric < 1459290074 469447 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1459290185 779355 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1459290194 342639 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :method/A method is a tweaked out mothod. < 1459290228 314090 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So. Concurrency. < 1459290259 593876 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The ideal concurrency solution—which is to say, the best imaginable solution, rather than the best possible one—is to make it so that no two processes can run simultaneously, but all processes finish as soon as they begin, making concurrency unnecessary. < 1459290435 202912 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another solution is the ostrich solution. Just ignore the problem. < 1459290468 719414 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Write each process under the assumption that it and other processes will never interfere with each other. < 1459290550 544846 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, why wouldn't this work for... let me just pick a random hypothetical example... a health insurance company? < 1459290613 723875 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, imagine if this company had a synchronization process, which takes data from table A, processes it a little, and puts it in table B. < 1459290654 416940 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If something were to modify a record in table A while this synchronization process is running, B might end up with a record that's half one thing, half the other thing. < 1459290744 860404 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The nice thing, I think, is that a lot of processes are read-only. The company would obtain information about members a whole lot more often than it would modify information about members. < 1459290884 130088 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :When it comes to concurrency, you can almost just ignore all read-only processes. < 1459290898 792918 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If a process does nothing but read, then you can just take a consistent snapshot of the database and give that to the process to chew on. < 1459290913 147080 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which may be easier said than done. < 1459290969 187227 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :As for process which write as well? Boy. < 1459291167 8117 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett, I assume you've looked at Rust? You either have as many read references as you want, or only one write reference < 1459291224 903445 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup. < 1459291240 909471 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Things get interesting when you try to apply that to a database. < 1459291289 282058 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Rust, I don't think you can generally go and "check out" an object, so to speak, so that you have temporary write access to it. < 1459291306 491719 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sort of "you can't access anything except what you're given". < 1459291319 873867 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whereas databases tend to be "you can access everything except what someone else has taken". < 1459291374 536818 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, that whole "many readers or one writer" thing is pretty ubiquitous. < 1459291403 377193 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459291429 999328 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I'm thinkin'. Suppose that each process only writes to one table. < 1459291562 881016 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can do something like this: < 1459291585 215531 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :When a process begins, atomically do the following: take a snapshot of the database and lock the target table for writing. < 1459291605 14169 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The process can read everything from the snapshot. It's a perfectly consistent state. < 1459291821 692443 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, whenever a read-only process needs to happen, there's no problem. Have it read from that snapshot, too. < 1459291895 792452 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, uh... this is going to cause a problem whenever you want multiple read-write processes at once. < 1459291922 19055 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The second process won't be able to begin, because in order to begin, it has to take a snapshot of the database, and it can't do that while the first process has a table locked for writing. < 1459292096 96969 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Remind me, what's the problem with just having each process acquire all the locks it will ever need simultaneously? < 1459293239 443690 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1459293727 970818 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1459293828 49049 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellørjan. < 1459293964 266704 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bonightly. < 1459294134 931653 :impomatic_!~digital_w@85.8.189.80.dyn.plus.net QUIT :Quit: http://corewar.co.uk < 1459294163 417089 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : mroman: you mean like, pay people to [...] <-- rube goldberg approves of this funding method < 1459294164 614202 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does streamed audio/video work with servers?? < 1459294184 889378 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Full quote? < 1459294205 292368 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i snipped it because it's bloody long tdnh < 1459294224 508057 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I wasn't online < 1459294231 73338 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: So I can't even search the scrollback < 1459294231 691023 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/logs/log/_esoteric/2016-03-29#092647bjonas < 1459294232 593713 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, logs < 1459294235 704527 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ty < 1459294241 515883 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fortunately the logs have anchors < 1459294254 472196 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wasn't online either hth < 1459294308 288426 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Ah, right < 1459294329 534520 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i make sure to add anchors to every web application before i ship it < 1459294372 789355 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Like Ging? < 1459294392 167700 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has the sudden fear "ging" is a racial slur he's never heard of
< 1459294403 463128 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's slightly annoying that you cannot get to those anchors by selecting a proper link. i lose the search highlighting i already had. < 1459294419 461653 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION sinks shachaf with the saucepan ===\__/
< 1459294437 369330 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION just got the pun
< 1459294482 872489 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i also suspect that the statement may be true as a trivial quantification. < 1459294504 516119 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: What are you implying? < 1459294506 845907 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it would be for me, anyway) < 1459294539 548048 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait, _if_ it's true, it's a trivial truth. < 1459294553 659587 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's always the case. < 1459294562 290327 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: What do you mean, lose the search highlighting? < 1459294563 158204 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i'm implying that the only way that can be true is if you have made no web applications hth < 1459294578 536198 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Vacuous truth? < 1459294583 461028 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: What if I made web applications and added anchors? < 1459294589 590623 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i always start logreading by searching for my name, and keep it highlighted. < 1459294597 257840 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: that's the word! < 1459294610 616552 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: But clicking on a thing to get an anchor doesn't unhighlight searches, does it? < 1459294623 492068 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yes, because it takes you to a new page < 1459294627 701202 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: You didn't make EVERY web application (for most of them, you aren't allowed to touch them), therefor that statement must be false < 1459294641 865112 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it doesn't in Chrome but it does in Firefox. I don't know about IE. < 1459294644 749099 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, new page? < 1459294651 148710 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the anchor is only in the url of that page. < 1459294682 283158 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: ok maybe not new. new history entry. < 1459294682 777978 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I must be missing something about your logreading process. < 1459294694 703108 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway if you used Chrome it would do what you want, I think. < 1459294718 775168 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ಠ_ಠ < 1459294732 99280 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I take it that's the look of disapproval? < 1459294745 306288 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: I was only quantifying over the web applications I shipped. < 1459294752 470291 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it depends on how broad "shipped" is, anyway. < 1459294763 529516 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\forall app in webapplications: added(shachaf, app, anchors) < 1459294774 202879 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal JOIN :#esoteric < 1459294779 979785 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're ignoring an important part of the sentence. < 1459294790 660283 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Which part? < 1459294801 464 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: "Before I ship it"? < 1459294803 676059 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan can explain < 1459294820 228151 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: do you ship youtube and google+ < 1459294828 764810 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: THAT'S MY JOKE < 1459294840 162827 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I own the copyright to all "web application shipping" jokes < 1459294880 515726 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: "ging" could be short for "ginger", which i'm not sure whether is a real slur or not, but i think south park or something made it one < 1459294892 897134 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Ah < 1459294903 480752 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: look i shipped all sorts of web applications < 1459294905 89279 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: "ging" is Google x Bing hth < 1459294906 459144 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ginseng is tg < 1459294995 184286 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: OKAY < 1459295262 697746 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I keep parsing "tg" as Turing-gomplete. < 1459295289 542672 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? tg < 1459295299 570321 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Totally groovy. < 1459295303 711069 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION taps his foot
< 1459295308 332480 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :too good < 1459295336 121301 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :TG is short for Turing-Gödel, the highest possible level of difficulty for a multiplayer game. < 1459295380 247958 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming that isn't just a joke, how is it defined? < 1459295406 592688 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :'fraid it is < 1459295412 188480 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1459295444 804026 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I was hoping it was something like "determining the optimal strategy requires solving the Halting Problem" < 1459295471 398950 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn_append tg At this level, it's undecidable whether you can manage to quit before losing or not. < 1459295481 288176 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'tg': TG is short for Turing-Gödel, the highest possible level of difficulty for a multiplayer game. At this level, it's undecidable whether you can manage to quit before losing or not. < 1459295498 224040 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it should say "halt" instead. < 1459295506 636473 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`sedlast s/quit/halt/ < 1459295509 909662 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1459295615 411212 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :this sounds useful. "A Beginner's Guide to Invading Earth" < 1459295711 798443 :hydraz!matheus@unaffiliated/demhydraz NICK :everybody < 1459295720 902098 :everybody!matheus@unaffiliated/demhydraz NICK :hydraz < 1459295734 646573 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Of legal knowledge I acquired such a grip / That they took me into the partnership. / And that junior partnership, I ween, / Was the only ship that I ever had seen." < 1459295812 580421 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: LOL no, I do not. < 1459295820 5400 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's an anti-ship if I ever saw one. < 1459295836 48568 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal JOIN :#esoteric < 1459295846 226415 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ship Google+ and [internal social app] however! < 1459295872 524339 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: whoa whoa whoa, which internal social app is that? < 1459295966 808070 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Google's favorite for ages, straight outta Cambridge. < 1459295976 697733 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :`helloworldinanylanguage python < 1459295977 264476 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: helloworldinanylanguage: not found < 1459295986 995117 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :Awww < 1459295989 933933 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :did it die? < 1459295993 499144 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls bin < 1459295994 658132 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​` \ `` \ ^.^ \ ̊ \ \ ! \ ? \ ?? \ ¿ \ ' \ @ \ * \ ؟ \  \  \  \ 1492 \ 2014 \ 2015 \ 2016 \ 2017 \ 5quote \ 8ball \ 8-ball \ aaaaaaaaa \ addquote \ aglist \ allquotes \ analogy \ anonlog \ append \ arienvenido \ as86 \ aseen \ asm \ autowelcome \ bardsworthlist \ benvenuto \ bf \ bienvenido \ bienvenue \ blessyou \ bookofeso \ botsnack < 1459296028 667210 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511664.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait are there still two me's? < 1459296052 168356 :oren!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuuuuuuuuuuuuu < 1459296054 958647 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup! < 1459296090 623365 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Do you ship Google Apps and work? < 1459296093 672096 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511664.dsl.bell.ca QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1459296097 109611 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forget, how do you make the bot pastebin an output? < 1459296102 722037 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, sure. < 1459296111 94761 :oren!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com NICK :\oren\ < 1459296115 903565 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there < 1459296133 954633 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : there's this site by an ardent fan ;-) http://www.cloudatacost.com/ <-- . o O ( is anyone keeping esolangs.org and HackEgo backups ) < 1459296207 347878 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I'm keeping wiki backups on occasion, but not as frequently as I should be < 1459296469 95180 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1459296487 254699 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls bin/*ello* < 1459296488 134388 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin/hello \ bin/hello-world-in-any-language < 1459296492 958128 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not keeping logs backups though < 1459296496 952015 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Elronnd: no hth < 1459296512 21284 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, `` ... | paste < 1459296532 824651 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls bin | paste < 1459296533 571791 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think the logs are on the same server. < 1459296536 48515 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/paste/paste.20204 < 1459296545 806313 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or are they < 1459296560 712330 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :`hello-world-in-any-language python < 1459296561 669585 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :SyntaxERR < 1459296567 231816 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :*there* we go < 1459296609 878422 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`hello-world-in-any-language perl < 1459296610 538195 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your language does not exist < 1459296616 284955 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`hello-world-in-any-language c < 1459296617 987726 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, Segfault! < 1459296627 452951 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`hello-world-in-any-language php < 1459296628 210356 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your language does not exist < 1459296640 504642 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :excellent answer. < 1459296649 746188 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a bit opinionated < 1459296659 620563 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`hello-world-in-any-language salmon < 1459296660 218785 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your language does not exist < 1459296665 408148 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`hello-world-in-any-language fortran < 1459296666 86903 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your language does not exist < 1459296673 56487 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`hello-world-in-any-language pascal < 1459296673 678186 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your language does not exist < 1459296676 267109 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone needs to fill these in < 1459296677 851779 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :`hello-world-in-any-language brainfuck < 1459296678 637995 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ERR Tape end reached < 1459296685 86943 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`hello-world-in-any-language befunge < 1459296685 789256 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your language does not exist < 1459296691 560059 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`hello-world-in-any-language funge98 < 1459296692 204360 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your language does not exist < 1459296694 401610 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION shrugs
< 1459296695 315656 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is not a very good hello world in any language < 1459296702 731965 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`hello-world-in-any-language french < 1459296703 471226 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your language does not exist < 1459296712 382487 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed, the simpler version was better. < 1459296719 867770 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :the languages are in hw/$languagename < 1459296725 466570 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`hello-world-in-any-language kayak < 1459296726 888686 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your language does not exist < 1459296751 780837 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So today I found out that our internally used programming language is not the company's IP. < 1459296767 677472 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo "Wello!" > hw/php < 1459296769 556147 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1459296772 413419 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're just the only people who've ever used it < 1459296774 471092 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`hello-world-in-any-language php < 1459296775 298345 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wello! < 1459296779 132313 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo 'TypERR, expected "str", got "char *[]"' > hw/pascal < 1459296782 232880 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1459296814 788863 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :`hello-world-in-any-language pascal < 1459296816 902059 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :TypERR, expected "str", got "char *[]" < 1459296833 315951 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: There's an automatic weekly mirroring of everything onto the box to the right of my feet, an automated weekly incremental backup of *that* to the box to the left of my feet, and every now and then I swap the disk in *that* box with a copy I have in a bank vault in Finland. < 1459296844 598881 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Elronnd: since when is char *[] a pascal type < 1459296849 219718 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not < 1459296854 696276 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: what happens when you turn around < 1459296863 803956 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: All the data is lost. < 1459296865 209471 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie++ < 1459296866 895166 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: since when is "SyntaxERR" an output printed by python < 1459296872 503698 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://web.archive.org/web/20140105015657/http://salmonpl.net/ < 1459296884 356339 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Of course by asking about it you've pretty much assured it all goes spectacularly wrong somehow. < 1459296891 959373 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma fizzie < 1459296892 127491 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie has a karma of 16 < 1459296895 33001 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma < 1459296895 163369 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have a karma of 13 < 1459296897 200449 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA < 1459296900 48131 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma < 1459296900 178487 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have a karma of 0 < 1459296911 96475 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ? < 1459296930 1402 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/hello < 1459296931 380722 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo Hello < 1459296938 15781 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :`hello, world < 1459296938 639839 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: hello,: not found < 1459296943 557015 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :`hello world < 1459296944 119148 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1459296963 309797 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma < 1459296963 440227 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have a karma of 0 < 1459296975 553444 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@jemima < 1459296975 685391 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1459296977 829036 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma oren < 1459296977 959290 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren has a karma of 0 < 1459296979 629029 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :@list < 1459296979 759411 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :What module? Try @listmodules for some ideas. < 1459296984 964874 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :@listmodules < 1459296985 95250 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :activity base bf check compose dice dict djinn dummy elite eval filter free fresh haddock help hoogle instances irc karma localtime metar more oeis offlineRC pl pointful poll pretty quote search slap source spell system tell ticker todo topic type undo unlambda unmtl version where < 1459296986 314629 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: your backup system explanation somehow manages to be simultaneously reassuring and worrying < 1459296992 663326 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@alarma < 1459296992 793541 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have a karma of 0 < 1459296999 9413 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@macarena < 1459296999 139690 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1459297010 266556 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "every now and then" is only about once a year or so (since Finland isn't so accessible), so there's quite a lot that could get lost if this place burns down *and* CloudAtCost goes under (and nobody else has a more up-to-date backup). < 1459297029 52484 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think someone else than just ais523 was fetching the public dump, though. < 1459297029 853508 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :`karma+ \oren\ < 1459297050 172683 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :`karma+ oren < 1459297056 365010 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma \oren\ < 1459297056 495365 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\ has a karma of 0 < 1459297069 661351 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​\oren\ now has 1 karma. < 1459297074 485886 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren now has 1 karma. < 1459297080 53523 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma < 1459297080 183917 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have a karma of 0 < 1459297085 79693 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUG < 1459297091 243779 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`karma < 1459297098 868407 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ has 5 karma. < 1459297122 971365 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : oerjan: ? <-- i recommend paying attention to the rest of the discussion hth (which would also have saved you the recent paste) < 1459297138 174427 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm guessing the disk in the bank vault is empty, and gets regularly swapped with another empty disk < 1459297144 922332 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :meanwhile the backups are made to one of the boxes at fizzie's feet, except it hasn't actually managed to write something for several years due to a stray dry-run flag < 1459297168 619942 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plausible. < 1459297196 214167 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The mirroring is likely to work, in the sense that I've listed the files and they look reasonable. Of course the contents could all be zeros. < 1459297246 273924 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. There are a number of daily fetches of the public wiki dump, from different addresses and with different user agents. < 1459297293 206820 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :One "Wget/1.16.1 (linux-gnu)", Java versions 1.4.1_04, 1.6.0_04 and 1.8.0_71 and zsync/0.6.2. < 1459297335 473394 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :90-ish unique IP addresses in approximately February and March. It's a popular file. < 1459297361 708661 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm thinking the zsync at least is someone deliberately setting it up, rather than a random scraper. < 1459297406 623403 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Especially since it's from the same address at approximately the same time every day.) < 1459297442 945026 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I zsync it randomly when I remember and am on a high-bandwidth connection < 1459297492 161030 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The daily one comes from a hacksoc.org address. < 1459297506 271988 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is that York thing. < 1459297519 168651 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION looks askew at Taneb
< 1459297645 697450 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The public dump doesn't include some things, like the user accounts or images, but it's probably relatively good from the "preserve the achievements of humankind" perspective. < 1459297745 582449 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, it's "--uploads --include-files"; maybe it does in fact include images as well. < 1459297755 608402 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wonder how those go in the XML. Best not to ask questions. < 1459297849 694430 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's probably not a very image-heavy site < 1459297887 552718 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( --include-passwords ) < 1459297946 308130 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fun fact: the article at at exactly the halfway point of the XML dump is the one for the Thue-Morse sequence. (From an old, old version; I don't actually regularly mirror that since I mirror everything else.) < 1459297971 193055 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm hosting a backed up copy at my server now https://em.slashem.me/esolang.xml < 1459297984 205893 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is the worst possible choice for a shell prompt? < 1459297994 437284 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: is the second half the first in reverse twh < 1459298003 631770 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: "#", when you're not root < 1459298006 79230 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It must be a meaningless character string of length no greater than 5, and must not be the null string < 1459298020 247366 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: "WARNING! Doing this operation on a mounted disk can lead to disk corruption! Continue (y/n)? " < 1459298033 991246 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, that's too long < 1459298040 744108 :mihow!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1459298045 55542 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Also, meaningful < 1459298067 165651 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: I used "007" as part of a prompt in an INTERCAL-related project < 1459298076 112075 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no, it needs to be < 1459298081 999270 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because % is commonly used as a shell character and % is called a "double-oh-seven" by the INTERCAL docs < 1459298084 450276 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think "x := " is pretty bad, because it implies that you're setting a variable < 1459298104 292982 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Assuming answer of !! to mean yes. Continuing..." and then your prompt < 1459298107 112830 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about four spaces? < 1459298128 389297 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's meaningless, nonempty, and would be very confusing < 1459298130 291295 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: is OK < 1459298147 487144 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: It provides visual indent from normal command prompting < 1459298167 647716 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, having just tried setting my prompt to four spaces, it's *very* confusing < 1459298173 230539 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about [%d] , where the %d is a number that increments with every command input? < 1459298174 923846 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Elronnd: How? < 1459298182 189973 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's one of the worst prompts I've seen in practice < 1459298195 323833 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(at least, the general idea is, I'm not sure if any were that /precisely/) < 1459298196 428954 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really, actually < 1459298198 18560 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I'll let that through, even though it could be > 5 characters < 1459298205 119170 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's pretty alright < 1459298212 662948 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: It does seem a little useless < 1459298216 709631 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :my zsh prompt includes "%h", which is how many commands have been typed < 1459298224 389184 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it does increment with every command < 1459298249 223754 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: you could roll back round to 1 from 999, thus confusing people who expected it to be mod-1000 < 1459298257 681233 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In[%d]:= " so that you can pretend you're in Mathematica all the time. < 1459298267 175201 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, Mathematica is one of the progams I was thinking of < 1459298269 163147 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(perl -d was the other) < 1459298295 922401 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a Scheme like that. < 1459298310 519243 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chicken Scheme's prompt is "#;%d> " with that notation. < 1459298334 242192 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if there's some syntax for referring back to previous inputs, as is the case in Mathematica. < 1459298364 960106 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459298366 71454 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%25s is one of the more controversial disambiguation pages < 1459298386 223390 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't look like it from looking at it < 1459298387 949205 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1459298397 117089 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but have a look at the talk page, which is much, much longer than the page istelf < 1459298399 193263 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*itself < 1459298407 639292 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it does < 1459298427 590678 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :just the URL... < 1459298863 63260 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the worst prompt would be a short offensive word < 1459298871 151053 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can think of several, but it's not nice to say them in channel < 1459298883 839810 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: ^ < 1459298889 459154 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1459298938 193171 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :prooftechnique: Fair enough < 1459298965 642023 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, or "php> " < 1459298996 240604 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :5 characters exactly < 1459299040 586062 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not technically correct, since php -a actually gives "php > ", but eh < 1459299048 967244 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :First you say you're not going to say any offensive words, then you come up with that. < 1459299068 815890 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know, I know, my filth knows no bounds < 1459299134 581588 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps just "$ rm " < 1459299144 564036 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It resembles a command < 1459299148 275159 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's scary < 1459299172 46576 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's meaningful to some people, so... < 1459299192 170971 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the absolute worst command prompt is one which executes a harmful command and prints the exit code. < 1459299220 589988 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :prooftechnique: What's The Absolute Worst harmful command though? < 1459299238 985970 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably rm -rf ~ followed by a forkbomb, but infectious < 1459299246 124852 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, the actual prompt says 1, but the prompt code is like "rm -rf /; echo $?" < 1459299246 850621 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(To both computers AND brains) < 1459299300 608517 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do think a prompt that is just the string "rm -rf ~" would be fun for a laugh < 1459299431 388305 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :prooftechnique: Does *nix have hidden files? < 1459299443 82161 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :As a historical accident, yes < 1459299449 333905 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :prooftechnique: Good < 1459299456 761516 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :prooftechnique: The meanest program you could possibly write: < 1459299466 237714 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :One with identical output to "rm -rf ~" < 1459299476 862556 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :prooftechnique: But instead of deleting files, it hides them < 1459299485 148653 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :so basically < 1459299486 733778 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rm doesn't have output < 1459299495 277196 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless you use rm -i < 1459299497 862653 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :my $PS1 < 1459299500 685957 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :prooftechnique: it does if you run it with -v < 1459299500 993151 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :\[\033[38;5;39m\]\D{%Y%b%d%a%T%Z} \W$\[\033[0m\ < 1459299506 533196 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Elronnd: Oh, true < 1459299509 70241 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :scp -r ~ /tmp/.homedir < 1459299520 232517 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :prooftechnique: OK, then identical to rm -rfiv ~ < 1459299541 40155 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, not v < 1459299545 316299 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, v < 1459299545 605124 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :v is version, isn't it < 1459299546 591953 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :not i < 1459299558 497600 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :My fish prompt: http://sprunge.us/KWaR < 1459299573 51262 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: -f overrides -i < 1459299577 788751 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :i will prompt you < 1459299580 54804 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :prooftechnique: What does -i do? < 1459299581 873767 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that isn't what you want < 1459299583 466020 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interactive < 1459299587 970592 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :v will just print < 1459299590 26155 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :prooftechnique: Oh < 1459299593 165992 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :and scp -r will mimic that < 1459299593 724978 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Elronnd: Ah < 1459299605 749484 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`scp < 1459299620 676859 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` rm -rf / < 1459299625 765505 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: scp: not found < 1459299626 700795 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rm: it is dangerous to operate recursively on `/' \ rm: use --no-preserve-root to override this failsafe < 1459299629 794700 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Elronnd: Yes, that hasn't been tried before < 1459299683 235168 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Elronnd: We need an `scp that is basically a massive http://www.scp-wiki.net/ reference < 1459299720 557896 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :I saw a /r/writingprompts post that linked there but I still don't understand < 1459299731 378879 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is scp aside from secure/ssh copy? < 1459299744 196029 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Elronnd: Secure Contain Protect < 1459299749 871565 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Elronnd: It's a 4chan thing, originally < 1459299763 946572 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Elronnd: It's basically psychological horror written in scientific prose < 1459299765 234445 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :secure containment...of what? < 1459299771 603118 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1459299773 83912 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to have an א in my prompt, but multi-term didn't like that < 1459299850 331800 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm... < 1459299854 549250 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to make a custom shell < 1459299858 284740 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I want a new syntax < 1459299879 110595 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been using fish for years. I think the syntax is much nicer :) < 1459299879 241329 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a draft text adventure game shell somewhere... < 1459299895 611665 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :how would that wrok? < 1459299897 948511 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/ro/or < 1459299898 260586 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then there's this https://github.com/chrisdone/hell < 1459300285 476692 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Proof Golf < 1459300294 356379 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prove Pythagoras in the fewest number of characters possible < 1459300372 25223 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: http://pastebin.ca/3422401 < 1459300658 250759 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've decided to make a golfing language whynot < 1459300683 397416 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: Oh, boy < 1459300695 630505 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, I mean "Oh, boily" < 1459300791 733276 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :prooftechnique: "Oh, boyly" < 1459300798 49093 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: I can prove the Pythagorean theorem in 3 characters if I can use a picture < 1459300806 338634 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :prooftechnique: You can't < 1459300824 612998 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :prooftechnique: You have to use a golfing proof assistant < 1459300843 301647 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :prooftechnique: Feel free to invent one, so long as it doesn't have a "prove pythagoras" instruction < 1459300860 323613 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do comments count against the character count? < 1459300883 780769 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :prooftechnique: They do not, but they're a pain in the ass for checkers. Preferably include both a commented and uncommented version. < 1459300899 491127 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, you /may/ have a prove pythagoras instruction, but I'll also ask you to prove something else that I'm yet to come up with after, in the same assistant with /no/ changes < 1459300929 208176 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also "t a^2 + b^2 = c^2", where t is "trust me" < 1459301045 570674 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: I think I'm going to reimplement this in fish. I think it's possible. I really like the idea < 1459301059 237309 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :prooftechnique: ... dammit < 1459301080 673034 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :prooftechnique: it was a hack I made for fun many years ago. I'm still fond of the descriptions :D < 1459301099 297167 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloily < 1459301101 822801 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :good night < 1459301153 814040 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quinthellopia < 1459301158 581878 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bonne nuit! < 1459301170 688728 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bonnenuitopia < 1459301178 546835 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: CANDLE CHICKEN < 1459301463 139262 :pdxleif!znc@ec2-54-68-166-10.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1459301516 704657 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1459301551 31873 :pdxleif!~pdxleif@ec2-54-68-166-10.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1459301555 183479 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This %s talk page is amazing < 1459301694 453227 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1459301839 545202 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"According to statistics, %s is the 993rd most visited page this month, on a par with World Trade Center and Hydrogen." < 1459301852 737277 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lie, n.: < 1459301852 876766 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric : A very poor substitute for the truth, but the only one < 1459301853 7034 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :discovered to date. < 1459301861 572192 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good Night, Folks! < 1459301896 241499 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :night < 1459302367 524112 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: How could a stack-based language be made type-safe? < 1459302394 74297 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: look into row polymorphism < 1459302448 968026 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Column polymorphism probably wouldn't hurt, either < 1459302496 728550 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I don't get it < 1459302525 921033 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: so the idea is you have a function that requires specific types for the top few elements of the stack, but is polymorphic on the ones below < 1459302541 938687 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Ah. < 1459302551 823960 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: And you can typecheck this at compile time? < 1459302555 467763 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I see it < 1459302568 292559 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1459302580 588121 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: with type annotations, probably < 1459302586 591698 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: OK < 1459302588 240533 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :type inference is likely undecidable though < 1459302704 290399 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Ah :/ < 1459302759 910263 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Is a dependently-typed shell at all a good idea? I'm sure it'd be useful for /something/ < 1459302782 987891 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: many people say powershell is a bad idea < 1459302793 957734 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it is much less precisely typed than a dependently typed shell would be < 1459302800 769870 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: OK < 1459303345 524656 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1459303387 334310 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was this guy (c. diggins, was it?) around here and elsewhere a few years ago who tried to make a stack language with type inference. i think he got somewhat stuck with the "polymorphic on the ones below" part. it gets quite tricky if you try to give a type to something like underload's ^ which calls the function on top of the stack. and much worse if you try to call a function _twice_ with the st < 1459303393 337565 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ack possibly different... < 1459303420 769888 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I strongly suspect that it's impossible to infer for the same reason that rank-3 type inference is in general impossible < 1459303429 182087 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it may work with explicit type annotations though < 1459303459 491510 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah if you have a general idea what your program _should_ do, you can probably annotate it enough. < 1459303634 172346 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if you could bolt a type system onto APL < 1459303654 669314 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, a stronger one, anyway < 1459303672 745427 :Lilly_Goodman!~canaima@186-26-169-88.dyn.movilnet.com.ve JOIN :#esoteric < 1459303755 559139 :p34k!~p34k@nat-wh-wz4-12.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de QUIT : < 1459303977 351667 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, stunned that Dyalog charges 1275 GBP for a 64-bit license :o < 1459303977 941408 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-yhmgddogjhjwqlts QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1459304004 293218 :Lilly_Goodman!~canaima@186-26-169-88.dyn.movilnet.com.ve QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1459304386 465188 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459304724 892670 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm... < 1459304733 585708 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stack-Based Logic Programming? < 1459304735 664390 :Lilly_Goodman!~canaima@186-26-169-88.dyn.movilnet.com.ve JOIN :#esoteric < 1459304777 151072 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Wait, how would row polymorphism deal with loops, assuming an imperative SBL? < 1459304794 216374 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: if the loops don't change the size of the stack (which they often don't) there's no issue < 1459304805 697003 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if they do, they'd need to leave a predictable repeating pattern of types on the stack < 1459304813 900913 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you might need to use some sort of polymorphic recursion technique < 1459304816 89453 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Ah? < 1459304835 317593 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: So you need a functional language for row polymorphism then? < 1459304850 196276 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you define "functional"? < 1459304872 98215 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Based on pure or mostly-pure functions < 1459304877 611199 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: As opposed to state change < 1459304889 267690 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you'd pass the stack around instead of just modifying it < 1459304897 672834 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'd barely be stack based at that point though < 1459305065 294544 :lambda-11235!~lambda-11@47-208-113-50.erkacmtk03.res.dyn.suddenlink.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459305120 874961 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't need to pass the stack around as long as there's just one at all times. < 1459305871 133967 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :a stack of functors < 1459306305 440236 :espes__!~espes@205.185.120.132 JOIN :#esoteric < 1459306397 699829 :Lilly_Goodman!~canaima@186-26-169-88.dyn.movilnet.com.ve QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1459306560 399116 :Lilly_Goodman!~canaima@186-26-169-88.dyn.movilnet.com.ve JOIN :#esoteric < 1459306657 161385 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-admmsmqeejkcgnxk JOIN :#esoteric < 1459307496 973078 :spygame!773f8e03@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.119.63.142.3 JOIN :#esoteric < 1459307630 942623 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: That might actually work 0.0 < 1459307740 895192 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :naturally so < 1459307852 656103 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ... < 1459307867 4554 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Does λ-calculus support functors? < 1459307951 982660 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: not directly. also this was a category theory pun. < 1459307961 877820 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes, I figured that < 1459307971 158187 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :thought so. < 1459307978 657357 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: The instructions in a stack-o-functors language would be natural transformations, would they not? < 1459308019 438709 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did someone say stack? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stack_(mathematics) < 1459308061 394313 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :BAD! BAD PROOFTECHNIQUE! < 1459308077 39354 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: hm i think a tuple of functors can be thought of as a functor, so probably. < 1459308087 270904 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Interesting < 1459308096 346346 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(between the corresponding tuples of categories) < 1459308096 973974 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Wait, a tuple? < 1459308114 790403 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Is the tuple representative of the stack? < 1459308144 353568 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Oh, "stack of functors" was discussing a mathematical stack. The /fool's/ stack < 1459308146 763959 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not entirely, but every concrete stack is some tuple size... < 1459308183 900933 :spygame!773f8e03@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.119.63.142.3 PART :#esoteric < 1459308188 850208 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: So why isn't there a λ++-calculus based on functors? Or is that stupid? < 1459308213 802518 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,) < 1459308214 999967 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :a -> b -> c -> d -> e -> f -> g -> h -> i -> j -> k -> l -> m -> n -> o -> p -> q -> r -> s -> t -> u -> v -> w -> x -> y -> z -> t28 -> t29 -> t30 -> t31 -> t32 -> t33 -> t34 -> t35 -> t36 -> t37 -> t38 -> t39 -> t40 -> t41 -> t42 -> t43 -> t44 -> t45 -> t46 -> t47 -> t48 -> t49 -> t50 -> t51 -> t52 -> t53 -> t54 -> t55 -> t56 -> t57 -> t58 -> < 1459308215 130122 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :t59 -> t60 -> t61 -> t62 -> t63 -> (a, b, c, d, e, f, g, h, i, j, k, l, m, n, o, p, q, r, s, t, u, v, w, x, y, z, t28, t29, t30, t31, t32, t33, t34, t35, t36, t37, t38, t39, t40, t41, t42, t43, t44, t45, t46, t47, t48, t49, t50, t51, t52, t53, t54, t55, t56, t57, t58, t59, t60, t61, t62, t63) < 1459308257 240365 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`scold prooftechnique < 1459308262 816606 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: i would not be willing to bet either way whether quintopia meant that kind of stack. in any case if he did, i'm hereby underqualified hth < 1459308272 289700 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: scold: not found < 1459308298 260454 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do I capitalize in Bash? < 1459308325 38460 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Don't worry, I'm using `mkx this time) < 1459308357 466494 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think if I go to grad school, I'm going to get way into descent theory. I think I've seen all of 5 names on those papers ever, so I don't think there'd be a bunch of competition < 1459308360 38982 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: all i know about lambda-calculus and CT is that supposedly, closed cartesian categories model simply typed LC. the pieces probably involve some functors. < 1459308369 180498 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: Use tr? < 1459308376 835967 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo "{walrus^^}" < 1459308381 522478 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​{walrus^^} < 1459308388 399960 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo "${walrus^^}" < 1459308389 952632 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1459308464 183486 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` foo=walrus; echo "${walrus^}" < 1459308467 846199 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1459308470 567537 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` foo=walrus; echo "${foo^}" < 1459308471 634230 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Walrus < 1459308472 328951 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoops < 1459308495 707392 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` foo=walrus; echo "${walrus^^}" < 1459308496 514589 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1459308503 808510 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` foo=walrus; echo "${foo^^}" < 1459308504 532794 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :WALRUS < 1459308507 380810 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Same mistake < 1459308510 957331 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo walrus | tr '[:upper:]' '[:lower:]' < 1459308511 751213 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :walrus < 1459308519 877358 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, I don't need that < 1459308521 712418 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm using $1 < 1459308539 846453 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`mkx bin/scold//echo "BAD! BAD ${1^^}!" < 1459308542 2390 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo "walrus" | tr '[:upper:]' '[:lower:]' < 1459308544 873508 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin/scold < 1459308545 510595 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :walrus < 1459308550 308552 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`scold prooftechnique < 1459308550 931686 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :BAD! BAD PROOFTECHNIQUE! < 1459308555 517352 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1459308558 980753 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How nice < 1459308564 717370 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :prooftechnique: It's very useful < 1459308578 918446 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :prooftechnique: I wish there was a way to control HackEgo from out-of-channel for mortals < 1459308584 162456 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo "walrus" | tr '[:lower:]' '[:upper:]' < 1459308585 15786 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :WALRUS < 1459308596 903534 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So we could make HackEgo yell at people without having to type the command < 1459308600 249363 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? prooftechnique < 1459308601 274636 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :prooftechnique ? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1459308633 744275 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hang on < 1459308645 526849 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn prooftechnique is inevitably on a mathematical descent. < 1459308647 750316 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'prooftechnique': prooftechnique is inevitably on a mathematical descent. < 1459308655 795362 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`scold HackEgo < 1459308656 413790 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :BAD! BAD HACKEGO! < 1459308660 614256 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoops < 1459308665 119355 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`scold hppavilion[1] < 1459308665 746382 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :BAD! BAD HPPAVILION[1]! < 1459308692 579870 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :THere < 1459308702 266599 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn prooftechnique né NihilistDandy He was there some time ago. Maybe he'll come back. Maybe he's a nihilist, too. (Note from the Editor: He came back, and is a nihilist.) < 1459308705 55572 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I successfully `scolded myself for inventing `scold < 1459308707 608738 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Relearned 'prooftechnique': prooftechnique né NihilistDandy He was there some time ago. Maybe he'll come back. Maybe he's a nihilist, too. (Note from the Editor: He came back, and is a nihilist.) < 1459308717 850082 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :prooftechnique: You aren't allowed to edit your own wisdom hth < 1459308722 426038 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It defeats the purpose < 1459308723 988668 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Observe: < 1459308732 243690 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn prooftechnique né NihilistDandy: He was there some time ago. Maybe he'll come back. Maybe he's a nihilist, too. (Note from the Editor: He came back, and is a nihilist.) < 1459308734 698317 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Relearned 'prooftechnique': prooftechnique né NihilistDandy: He was there some time ago. Maybe he'll come back. Maybe he's a nihilist, too. (Note from the Editor: He came back, and is a nihilist.) < 1459308735 672120 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was my old wisdom < 1459308751 524580 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459308756 981502 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote NihilistDandy < 1459308757 832851 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :363) elliott: His mouse obeys the law of the excluded middle :/ \ 393) MY CONTINUITY MY FANFICTION RUINED \ 402) The Russian's emblem was the hammer and sickle, not the fist and other fist \ 412) Non sequitur is my forte On-topic discu < 1459308767 363228 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote prooftechnique < 1459308768 429887 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1272) (make is an esoteric language) b_jonas: Most esolangs I've seen have more comprehensive docs than make < 1459308772 887263 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn hppavilion[42] is the awesomest person you will ever meet. Much awesomer than oerjan. < 1459308775 691224 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'hppavilion[42]': hppavilion[42] is the awesomest person you will ever meet. Much awesomer than oerjan. < 1459308784 953024 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :prooftechnique: ^that's why < 1459308794 750454 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was merely restoring order. < 1459308799 337564 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can always append to the old one < 1459308820 83435 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :prooftechnique: Um, oerjan `?d you and HackEgo had no clue < 1459308846 458031 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know. At some point, wisdom must have been reset. I have a github repo and everything here with proof < 1459308870 78999 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? `? `? < 1459308871 120988 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, you're very clever < 1459308873 67844 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e is on it, too < 1459308874 532469 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1459308879 715186 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? int-e < 1459308881 455134 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e är inte svensk. Hen kommer att spränga solen. < 1459308902 144437 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ? walrus | ? < 1459308906 71116 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1459308917 307877 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? walrus < 1459308919 54927 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :walrus? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1459308927 322650 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ? walrus < 1459308931 456660 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :walrus? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1459308945 184183 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo walrus | ? < 1459308946 323845 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1459308949 430425 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh < 1459308962 732464 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm doing something obviously wrong, that's for sure < 1459308992 674785 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :prooftechnique: Do you know of any completely esoteric forms of shell interaction? < 1459309008 893586 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :PowerShell < 1459309018 586811 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :prooftechnique: No. < 1459309021 361733 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1459309024 571272 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think tcsh is a lost art, too < 1459309046 190493 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :prooftechnique: What would be a good, strange way to interact with a shell? Perhaps some equivalent-but-totally-different equivalent to redirection? < 1459309088 930144 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No redirection. Only partial application of polyvariadic functions < 1459309100 932177 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :prooftechnique: Oooh, partial application sounds nice < 1459309130 108199 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :prooftechnique: Though I'd do them in an "anonymous lambda" syntax < 1459309156 532863 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Wait, not anonymous, implicit) < 1459309158 841039 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` foo=walrus; echo "${foo^}" < 1459309159 528023 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Walrus < 1459309168 336624 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :swapped_mv = mv \2 \1 < 1459309173 325711 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: you need to escape ? to use it as a shell command. < 1459309176 963855 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(All lambdas are anonymous, duh) < 1459309181 273759 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: OOOOOOH < 1459309261 732516 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has tcsh on his (ancient) nvg account. he doesn't do very esoteric things with it.
< 1459309338 159365 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`culprits wisdom/prooftechnique < 1459309341 988089 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :prooftechnique prooftechnique oerjan < 1459309355 562594 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :prooftechnique: are you _sure_ that existed before? < 1459309360 958817 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? nihilistdandy < 1459309364 382419 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nihilistdandy? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1459309375 964490 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`culprits wisdom/nihilistdandy < 1459309381 760039 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1459309402 854362 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose it might have been deleted before the last repo reset < 1459309418 410322 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls wisdom/*tech* < 1459309421 749877 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom/prooftechnique < 1459309427 533511 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls wisdom/*dand* < 1459309428 533739 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom/danddreclist < 1459309452 801911 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The github repo I took that from was run by boily from Aug 2013 to what looks like October 2015 < 1459309472 976092 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh you mean the wisdom.pdf? < 1459309476 356351 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1459309500 706451 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's _not_ older i think. < 1459309521 157073 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's based on HackEgo after all. but someone may have added something just to it. < 1459309543 445261 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :_or_ something could have got lost to HackEgo's `revert bugs. < 1459309561 803223 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but i thought those mostly _prevented_ deleting stuff) < 1459309569 377859 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Last edit on my wisdom there is Nov 6, 2013, so ¯\(°​_o)/ < 1459309589 842027 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :better ask boily. < 1459309654 790204 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote non sequitur < 1459309655 516697 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :412) Non sequitur is my forte On-topic discussion is my piano Bowls of sugary breakfast cereal is my mezzoforte Full fat milk is my pianissimo On which note, I'm hungry < 1459309742 925818 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the quote append syntax, again? I should add back oerjan's addition. :D < 1459309754 832879 :Lilly_Goodman!~canaima@186-26-169-88.dyn.movilnet.com.ve QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1459309762 453764 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :prooftechnique: I think you have to edit the storage directly < 1459309767 721391 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no < 1459309790 882616 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it was quote-add or something < 1459309808 511140 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, learn-add < 1459309815 219013 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe learn+ < 1459309823 179188 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn_append prooftechnique He is inevitably on a mathematical descent. < 1459309827 131101 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'prooftechnique': prooftechnique né NihilistDandy: He was there some time ago. Maybe he'll come back. Maybe he's a nihilist, too. (Note from the Editor: He came back, and is a nihilist.) He is inevitably on a mathematical descent. < 1459309827 769420 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :prooftechnique: `le/rn_append < 1459309836 5472 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There we go < 1459309845 477364 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :le/rn_prepend < 1459309851 690846 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tack tack :D < 1459309867 266382 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: you only need that if there are spaces in the file name. possibly slashes. < 1459309874 370628 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Ah < 1459309890 514374 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/learn_append < 1459309891 97131 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/bash \ topic="$(echo "$1" | lowercase | sed 's/^\(an\?\|the\) //;s/s\? .*//')" \ stuff=$(echo "$1" | cut -d' ' -f2-) \ perl -i -p -e 's/\n/ /' "wisdom/$topic" \ echo "$stuff" >>"wisdom/$topic" \ echo -n "Learned '$topic': " \ cat "wisdom/$topic" < 1459309905 478603 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh slashes shouldn't be relevant. < 1459309910 846706 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the file already has to exist. < 1459310046 633534 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually slashes might be relevant the other way, since `le/rn_append uses them as separator. (`le//rn_append should use two.) < 1459310130 71705 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm time for heating pizza < 1459310196 733551 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dropping those extraneous h's will make it 'm, time for eating pizza', t < 1459310500 296326 :lambda-11235!~lambda-11@47-208-113-50.erkacmtk03.res.dyn.suddenlink.net QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1459310534 116916 :lambda-11235!~lambda-11@47-208-113-50.erkacmtk03.res.dyn.suddenlink.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459310577 659188 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1459311542 858445 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :prooftechnique: but then it'd be frozen! < 1459311573 8690 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You raise an important point < 1459312119 87016 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat, no edits in my wp watchlist < 1459312128 800229 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it's been a while since that happened < 1459312143 782432 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*new < 1459312247 253626 :lambda-11235!~lambda-11@47-208-113-50.erkacmtk03.res.dyn.suddenlink.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1459312305 376024 :lambda-11235!~lambda-11@47.208.113.50 JOIN :#esoteric < 1459312325 50366 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops, not to forget the pizza... < 1459312511 627567 :lambda-11235!~lambda-11@47.208.113.50 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1459313178 421578 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION ponders if he should have removed the pizza halfway through to fix the uneven toppings
< 1459313203 359767 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is pretty soaked in too much pineapple. < 1459313508 903943 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and only a small part seems to have any cheese. < 1459313703 973510 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-admmsmqeejkcgnxk QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1459315759 87671 :Zoroaster!~Aedile@cpe-173-88-230-28.neo.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1459315761 138318 :Zoroaster!~Aedile@cpe-173-88-230-28.neo.res.rr.com NICK :Kaynato < 1459315771 369631 :Kaynato!~Aedile@cpe-173-88-230-28.neo.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello all, I have made an esolang recently < 1459315802 888431 :Kaynato!~Aedile@cpe-173-88-230-28.neo.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote a C compiler and interpreter. Recently I am optimising the memory allocation but the version so far should work without trouble < 1459315814 128284 :Kaynato!~Aedile@cpe-173-88-230-28.neo.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice to meet you. < 1459315932 52346 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-aqhczjtrahvjuufz JOIN :#esoteric < 1459315959 987575 :Kaynato!~Aedile@cpe-173-88-230-28.neo.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, heroux < 1459316002 931243 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459316253 936130 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1459316483 973850 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Kaynato < 1459316495 792611 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you posted the language to the wiki? that's where most people go to look for new esolangs < 1459316511 285166 :Kaynato!~Aedile@cpe-173-88-230-28.neo.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes! I spent a lot of effort making my page, actually. It is great to meet the administrator here :) < 1459316517 411265 :Kaynato!~Aedile@cpe-173-88-230-28.neo.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here it is: https://esolangs.org/wiki/Daoyu < 1459316565 631975 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not the only administrator :-) < 1459316611 299003 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I haven't been checking the wiki as much as I should recently because my RSS reader is broken < 1459316613 213581 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I'd missed it < 1459316632 247974 :Kaynato!~Aedile@cpe-173-88-230-28.neo.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No problem, you are here after all < 1459316657 977514 :Kaynato!~Aedile@cpe-173-88-230-28.neo.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was really excited to make this esolang, actually, I don't think I've really seen anything resembling this idea before < 1459316676 626360 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a lot more interesting than most people's esolangs < 1459316686 72316 :Kaynato!~Aedile@cpe-173-88-230-28.neo.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although it was a tremendous hassle to actually write anything non-trivial in this language, haha < 1459316701 302185 :Kaynato!~Aedile@cpe-173-88-230-28.neo.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Half the code in the truth machine exists solely to make sure the input is ASCII 0 or 1 < 1459316727 73448 :Kaynato!~Aedile@cpe-173-88-230-28.neo.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The rests writes a program inside the program data to then check the last unknown bit and decode to output and loop or output and end :) < 1459316748 430755 :Kaynato!~Aedile@cpe-173-88-230-28.neo.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The end mechanism is also very interesting - it deallocates the memory where the program that is running is being stored < 1459316768 162892 :Kaynato!~Aedile@cpe-173-88-230-28.neo.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which exits the execution loop out of that, and then out of the top level program < 1459316784 206864 :Kaynato!~Aedile@cpe-173-88-230-28.neo.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am unsure which paradigm this really counts as < 1459316795 462265 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how useful is UPLEV? < 1459316821 492294 :Kaynato!~Aedile@cpe-173-88-230-28.neo.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very! It is indeed vital to the operation of the code < 1459316826 610874 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, it reminds me a bit of the sort of things people do in Befunge < 1459316880 915690 :Kaynato!~Aedile@cpe-173-88-230-28.neo.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, but the pointer does not change direction ever < 1459316891 42419 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh I see, UPLEV changes what's interpreted as IDLES so that commands like SIFTS operate on different information < 1459316910 453223 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, I wasn't thinking so much to do with the pointer direction as the sort of things you can do with self-modifying code < 1459316917 311841 :Kaynato!~Aedile@cpe-173-88-230-28.neo.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :UPLEV was a combination of "How do I loop?" and "How do I not go into an infinite DOALC explosion?" < 1459316932 259239 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: does Befunge-98 have a mass fungespace copy fingerprint? < 1459316972 101997 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, fizzie's in the UK and probably won't answer questions at 6:50am < 1459316974 233786 :Kaynato!~Aedile@cpe-173-88-230-28.neo.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :To be fair, most of these commands were to "hopefully make this turing complete," haha < 1459316978 866739 :Kaynato!~Aedile@cpe-173-88-230-28.neo.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No problem, that's fine < 1459316982 233423 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tend to just ask people on the offchance they're online < 1459316990 317654 :Kaynato!~Aedile@cpe-173-88-230-28.neo.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a good strategy < 1459316991 171340 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kaynato: you write languages much the way I do, I think < 1459316998 973479 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Snowflake's initial set of instructions are pretty weird < 1459317008 446259 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it was a case of "find way to add functionality the language needs" < 1459317019 841163 :Kaynato!~Aedile@cpe-173-88-230-28.neo.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course! With Daoyu it was initially just a data generation language < 1459317036 245213 :Kaynato!~Aedile@cpe-173-88-230-28.neo.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :DOALC, SPLIT, HALVE, LATER, MERGE < 1459317045 239957 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the page could be made a bit better by explaining what the data storage model is, before presenting the commands < 1459317053 114796 :Kaynato!~Aedile@cpe-173-88-230-28.neo.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, I was thinking about that < 1459317053 671825 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at the moment you explain what the commands do but it's not clear what they're operating on < 1459317076 683871 :Kaynato!~Aedile@cpe-173-88-230-28.neo.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am on that right now < 1459317076 814164 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a program is formed out of a program and data, and data is also formed out of a program and data, recursively? < 1459317114 403410 :Kaynato!~Aedile@cpe-173-88-230-28.neo.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :A program always owns data. Data can always become a program. < 1459317156 905813 :Kaynato!~Aedile@cpe-173-88-230-28.neo.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :When you load a program from the binary code, the interpreter creates data, allocates it properly, reads the code into the data, then calls EXECS from the first bit < 1459317553 595913 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Daoyu14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46695&oldid=46693 5* 03Kaynato 5* (+813) 10More explanations < 1459317568 685372 :Kaynato!~Aedile@cpe-173-88-230-28.neo.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :There we go :) < 1459317623 566707 :Kaynato!~Aedile@cpe-173-88-230-28.neo.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, hmm... < 1459317629 835903 :Kaynato!~Aedile@cpe-173-88-230-28.neo.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A program is formed out of a program and data" < 1459317670 206022 :Kaynato!~Aedile@cpe-173-88-230-28.neo.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :When code is loaded, it is only data. EXECS can be interpreted as a function that turns data into a program - or rather, if the idea of "program" itself is thrown out < 1459317695 520686 :Kaynato!~Aedile@cpe-173-88-230-28.neo.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is only one program at all times, and that program IS the interpreter. The instruction is the data that is being read (the "program") < 1459317729 792426 :Kaynato!~Aedile@cpe-173-88-230-28.neo.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since the data all looks the same to EXECS, any data can become a program that EXECS executes. < 1459317776 27920 :Kaynato!~Aedile@cpe-173-88-230-28.neo.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And EXECS can also, through data that it receives (a program), create data which also calls EXECS, and then run through it, creating data by necessity of calling EXECS. < 1459317805 815450 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1459317813 764515 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the sort of loop that concatenative languages normally use < 1459317842 175886 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure whether your language is concatenative; it has a lot in common with something like Underload but also a lot of differences < 1459318082 576823 :Kaynato!~Aedile@cpe-173-88-230-28.neo.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example, you have numbers :) < 1459318121 623834 :Kaynato!~Aedile@cpe-173-88-230-28.neo.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :For a while I had been using 3$ to represent $$$ but there was really no reason to have numerals of any sort here, haha < 1459318137 890965 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Underload doesn't have numbers either really, you represent them as programs that make copies of other programs < 1459318150 701413 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (:::^^^)(x)~^S < 1459318150 831712 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : ...bad insn! < 1459318158 490270 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (:::***)(x)~^S < 1459318158 620487 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :xxxx < 1459318160 395071 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what I meant < 1459318165 328202 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the number 4, being converted to unary < 1459318167 671166 :Kaynato!~Aedile@cpe-173-88-230-28.neo.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, but there is a copy function... < 1459318177 271494 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (:::***)(:::***)*(x)~^S < 1459318177 401936 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx < 1459318180 656548 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's 4 times 4 < 1459318188 936639 :Kaynato!~Aedile@cpe-173-88-230-28.neo.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mhm, very nice < 1459318192 596433 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes, Underload has a copy because it's meant to be pretty minimal < 1459318196 223202 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (:::***)(:::***)^(x)~^S < 1459318196 353441 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx < 1459318205 29016 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 to the power of 4 is, umm, 256 < 1459318214 487916 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but those are too many xes to easily count < 1459318230 613390 :Kaynato!~Aedile@cpe-173-88-230-28.neo.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mhm < 1459318261 756205 :Kaynato!~Aedile@cpe-173-88-230-28.neo.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another problem is that Daoyu does not really have a stack < 1459318283 118727 :Kaynato!~Aedile@cpe-173-88-230-28.neo.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :At the least, I am extremely unsure if it could "easily" produce stack-like behavior < 1459318309 917196 :Kaynato!~Aedile@cpe-173-88-230-28.neo.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems to be a "mostly writing" type of language in which reading is extremely difficult < 1459318331 779672 :Kaynato!~Aedile@cpe-173-88-230-28.neo.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or just tedious < 1459318341 847727 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is common in esolangs < 1459318374 510032 :Kaynato!~Aedile@cpe-173-88-230-28.neo.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :To be expected, I suppose < 1459318419 72418 :Kaynato!~Aedile@cpe-173-88-230-28.neo.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The program "<" loops 9 times exactly - the program "><" is an infinite loop, and the program ">$<" generally causes a memory overflow < 1459318477 809566 :Kaynato!~Aedile@cpe-173-88-230-28.neo.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find myself recently trying to make a program filter to demand ASCII digits, but I can't seem to figure out how to do it < 1459318505 3807 :Kaynato!~Aedile@cpe-173-88-230-28.neo.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was possible with the truth-machine because 0 and 1 only differ by one bit < 1459318536 729756 :Kaynato!~Aedile@cpe-173-88-230-28.neo.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, with a digit filter, I have to check certain digits only provided that other digits are in a certain pattern < 1459318606 245750 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :often I think about how a language really "wants" to do input and output < 1459318610 437510 :Kaynato!~Aedile@cpe-173-88-230-28.neo.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :A thought was to attach a single conditional to a "flag incrementer" for such a condition, which would permute some data outside of the ASCII input... < 1459318614 461248 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example it may want to read a bit at a time rather than a byte at a time < 1459318626 21578 :Kaynato!~Aedile@cpe-173-88-230-28.neo.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is possible here too < 1459318628 187587 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in this case, part of the problem is that the input can represent any pair of commands if interpreted as commands < 1459318654 283544 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you could double the input twice so that you only have to deal with 0000 and 1111 < 1459318674 740336 :Kaynato!~Aedile@cpe-173-88-230-28.neo.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, if one only selects 4 bits before calling INPUT, then it is truncated anyway < 1459318683 469155 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, hmm, does doubling even work like that? < 1459318688 261163 :Kaynato!~Aedile@cpe-173-88-230-28.neo.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doubling? < 1459318735 728689 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, DOALC < 1459318751 703073 :Kaynato!~Aedile@cpe-173-88-230-28.neo.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :DOALC always ensures that the new bits are zeros < 1459318754 975638 :Kaynato!~Aedile@cpe-173-88-230-28.neo.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should specify that < 1459318758 79475 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1459318787 758661 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Daoyu14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46696&oldid=46695 5* 03Kaynato 5* (+42) 10Minor clarification < 1459318810 379581 :Kaynato!~Aedile@cpe-173-88-230-28.neo.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another problem is that of binary partitions < 1459318829 52093 :Kaynato!~Aedile@cpe-173-88-230-28.neo.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is very difficult to transport data across large partitions - in the worst case, the middle of the data < 1459318853 789539 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Portable Minsky Machine Notation14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46697&oldid=46043 5* 03Ais523 5* (+15) 10/* Definition */ clarify whitespace rules < 1459318865 916540 :Kaynato!~Aedile@cpe-173-88-230-28.neo.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is part of the reason I have SIFTS - so that one could write across partitions, then use SIFTS to move it all into likely a single one < 1459318967 494495 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of the instructions in Snowflake are designed to avoid this sort of problem < 1459318979 950059 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. one of them is to make it possible to introduce more than linearly many list wrappers per cycle < 1459319074 252365 :Kaynato!~Aedile@cpe-173-88-230-28.neo.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is an extremely interesting language < 1459319113 261677 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to write an interpreter of it, make a backup copy, and experiment a bit < 1459319136 813244 :Kaynato!~Aedile@cpe-173-88-230-28.neo.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems like it would be very fun to write, most certainly! < 1459319248 915885 :Kaynato!~Aedile@cpe-173-88-230-28.neo.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Regarding this problem in Daoyu: But, since SIFTS probably(?) takes care of that problem, I suppose it would still be alright? < 1459319251 214559 :bender|!benderpc@2404:e800:e61a:41d:91fc:c366:1b68:890b JOIN :#esoteric < 1459319297 974490 :Kaynato!~Aedile@cpe-173-88-230-28.neo.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would suppose the next important step would be to make a program that takes input, modifies some bit outside of the input data depending on some bit in the input, and moves back to its original position < 1459319401 280697 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could try writing a program to copy a string < 1459319426 613196 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf >,[>,]<[<]>[.>]<[<]>[.>]!this is a test < 1459319426 743439 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is a testthis is a test < 1459319432 313219 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one < 1459319441 145290 :Kaynato!~Aedile@cpe-173-88-230-28.neo.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mhm, yes < 1459319456 416769 :Kaynato!~Aedile@cpe-173-88-230-28.neo.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I haven't identified any permutation cycles yet for looping, actually, hm < 1459319460 33122 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an interesting test of a language because you can't write it in a "linear" language, which is one in which data is only usable once < 1459319464 490054 :Kaynato!~Aedile@cpe-173-88-230-28.neo.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I imagine that the setup would be < 1459319470 849153 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ofc you would probably use a different algorithm to that brainfuck program < 1459319506 769143 :Kaynato!~Aedile@cpe-173-88-230-28.neo.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Setup - Take input - Make looping program to copy input - Run from beginning of internal program - Terminate < 1459319573 779465 :Kaynato!~Aedile@cpe-173-88-230-28.neo.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something I should do very soon is to make a utility to print out necessary ([/!) for generation of arbitrary bit-strings < 1459319766 651354 :Kaynato!~Aedile@cpe-173-88-230-28.neo.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is interesting that "ascending and descending floors of data" which I initially specified as a whimsical solution to an edge case has become so vital < 1459319994 560374 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that reminds me of the complexity of Snowflake's segmented transposition; there are a lot of cases I had to exclude as they'd otherwise have been irreversible (and all commands being reversible is important to Snowflake's design because it means you never lose access to functionality that existed in an older version) < 1459320010 904333 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and creating those cases artificially is only real way to do an if statement < 1459320124 179039 :Kaynato!~Aedile@cpe-173-88-230-28.neo.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, and here I have to deal with the problem of intrinsically lossy commands < 1459320172 741019 :Kaynato!~Aedile@cpe-173-88-230-28.neo.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But part of the design was preventing the introduction of "obvious" commands such as incrementation, assignment, plain conditional, etc. < 1459320180 702171 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1459320185 663307 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :too many people start with those < 1459320198 167899 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IMO, an esolang isn't a real esolang unless you have to figure out how to implement numbers for yourself < 1459320205 191273 :Kaynato!~Aedile@cpe-173-88-230-28.neo.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree wholeheartedly < 1459320300 583399 :Kaynato!~Aedile@cpe-173-88-230-28.neo.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :An idea that I have been thinking of more recently is the potential in moving the data pointer into the original program data and then using EXECS < 1459320300 883649 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is a differently kinded esolang, to be exact < 1459320301 232515 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? you can't make categorical statements like that. there are many ways to esolangs. < 1459320306 781873 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1459320334 607626 :Kaynato!~Aedile@cpe-173-88-230-28.neo.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, ah, that is true also < 1459320347 6390 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :some can be esoteric in its intention; some in its complexity; some in the external context; some in the computational ability; some in, uh, true stupidity; etc. < 1459320364 670225 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: the truly stupid ones are clearly esoteric, but only arguably languages < 1459320376 159323 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like Esme qualifies as truly stupid but I'm not convinced it's actually a langugae < 1459320389 449951 :Kaynato!~Aedile@cpe-173-88-230-28.neo.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then there are the piles of BF Derivatives < 1459320393 112004 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :more likely it is a moderately well-done trolling attempt < 1459320406 481437 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you bet. my point is that there is no such thing like "real esolang" (though I see what you really meant). < 1459320411 416457 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then there are the BF derivatives, only a small fraction of which are interesting, but which are a good way for new people to learn how to write esocompilers < 1459320436 965327 :Kaynato!~Aedile@cpe-173-88-230-28.neo.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Real Esolang" is arguably much more dangerous than the idea of "Real Programmers / Real Languages" < 1459320458 19087 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"real programmers" are mostly a joke, though < 1459320473 440358 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the name's normally taken to refer to people like Mel from The Story of Mel < 1459320474 984097 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :real programmers do not use any tool. they choose the universe that would contain the desired information somehow. < 1459320493 539102 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :who do programming at a level so low that most people have problems comprehending it < 1459320503 166180 :Kaynato!~Aedile@cpe-173-88-230-28.neo.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mhm < 1459320508 596923 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this is sometimes exaggerated a bit, like in lifthrasiir's example) < 1459320517 525971 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a classical joke. < 1459320523 109245 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"real languages" is not something that I've heard of before < 1459320533 650679 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(inspired from https://xkcd.com/378/ ) < 1459320533 890979 :Kaynato!~Aedile@cpe-173-88-230-28.neo.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It feels that using Daoyu is sort of grasping at that horrible, painful thing at the bottom of the world, with one's hand cut off and eyes sewn shut < 1459320536 157788 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :by saying "real esolang" I wasn't being 100% serious < 1459320557 803826 :Kaynato!~Aedile@cpe-173-88-230-28.neo.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It can be said to be at a lower conceptual level than assembly, of all things, but then orthagonal < 1459320575 430594 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially because you can sometimes get interesting languages by starting with arithmetic (e.g. Forte) or even brainfuck (e.g. PaintFuck) < 1459320582 469019 :Kaynato!~Aedile@cpe-173-88-230-28.neo.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh of course < 1459320622 46478 :jaboja!~jaboja@vps.jaboja.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1459320649 343028 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : IMO, an esolang isn't a real esolang unless you have to figure out how to implement numbers for yourself <-- Fueue hth < 1459320655 154855 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, for that matter, JavaScript (JSFuck), although JSFuck is only really interesting in that it's possible < 1459320670 688322 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also FORTE < 1459320700 318982 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mentioned Forte already! < 1459320707 287540 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was backscrolled! < 1459320720 430993 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :how dare you contradict yourself while i'm typing! < 1459320745 895367 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I must admit I'm partial for arithmetic. I like arithmetic. < 1459320815 202300 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that said, in Forte, I'm not convinced that implementing numbers using numbers is the best idea < 1459320860 315001 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the TCness proof uses simulated Minsky machines < 1459320888 1172 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that the Rotary Turing Machine may prove BF\(-) TC < 1459320920 271403 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I'm reminded to wikiplia, which has built in integers, functions for addition, subtraction, and equality, but not less-than comparison. the way to do less-than comparison (on not too large integers) is to subtract the two numbers, converting the result implicitly to a string substring it to take the first character, and compare that substring to "-" < 1459320924 445508 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: BF without -, is this? < 1459320931 484493 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yes < 1459320939 672362 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: \ is stand-in for set difference < 1459320945 406001 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's clearly TC if you have a limited cell size, e.g. in 8-bit BF you can replace - with 255 + < 1459320960 606409 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have an unlimited cell size it's more interesting < 1459320970 415749 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that, or you can just do bitfuck by replacing + with 128+ < 1459320975 524318 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: But it might only prove Brainfuck with an even wrapping point TC < 1459320980 521337 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hey, fractran both does and doesn't fit < 1459320996 425027 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my immediate reaction was that it was obviously sub-TC but thinking about it I'm not sure < 1459321036 56469 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Nowrap BF\- is probably not TC, but it might be if you allow quotient types < 1459321059 756697 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Basically, you could have 2-cell tuples (a, b) that represent a/b < 1459321062 609527 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's call this "permanent BF" because once a cell becomes nonzero, you have no way to set it back to zero < 1459321066 788294 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, but how would you do the math? < 1459321069 776640 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Good idea < 1459321094 520898 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: And Permanent BF's wimpmode has a _ ("reset to zero") instructoin < 1459321111 287377 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, that would make the language really different < 1459321117 458188 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Should we compile a (single-page) list of "Brainfuck derivatives that are actually interesting"? < 1459321119 964526 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Fair enough < 1459321123 783927 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the most obvious implementation method appears to be to allocate every nth cell as a different counter, and create an increment-only Minsky machine whose instructions are "increment counter" and "compare two counters" < 1459321131 567400 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: no. < 1459321138 297998 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: It would only be one page < 1459321138 428298 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :definitely no. < 1459321144 459040 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: just no. < 1459321147 258960 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: In fact, we could move boolfuck and such into that page < 1459321149 765124 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would lead to too much flames. < 1459321156 811010 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, I mean, each of the n sets of every-nth-cell is a counter < 1459321162 856319 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Thus DECREASING the number of BF derivative pages < 1459321165 332324 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: if you want, make a user subpage about brainfuck variants that _you_ think are interesting, and emphasize it's subjectiveness. < 1459321173 59467 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: that's not how it works < 1459321179 167480 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: think of "too many standards" < 1459321179 910661 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could make an objective page of "BF derivatives that are not trivial to prove TC or T-incomplete" < 1459321193 546867 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yeah, that works < 1459321200 882207 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: TiC? < 1459321205 943195 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unTC < 1459321210 38827 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yeah < 1459321255 221942 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: "Brainfuck derivatives with nontrivial computational class proofs, and other assorted significances"? < 1459321278 409689 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no because now it isn't objective < 1459321285 691227 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yeah, fair enough < 1459321323 778983 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :BoolFuck is probably fairly simple (not quite trivial, but not insane) to prove TC, but it's still significant because of being boolean, thus showing that any n>2 is acceptable for a cell bound < 1459321348 689060 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Fine, how about just the stuff before the comma? < 1459321374 871955 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :is BoolFuck just BrainFuck where every cell is either 0 or 1, and rather than +/- you have a toggle? < 1459321381 718405 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: that might work < 1459321385 383080 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: yes < 1459321388 962952 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think < 1459321395 403181 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it's trivially TC then < 1459321397 830913 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :many of these limited-BFs make minor changes to the set of instructions that exist < 1459321404 497063 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like removing output < 1459321414 39202 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or merging < and * (* is the toggle instruction) < 1459321415 211341 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can easily emulate arbitrarily cell-bounded BF with it < 1459321429 22068 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Not quite trivial, but fairly simple < 1459321436 334640 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :By generalization < 1459321444 210224 :Kaynato!~Aedile@cpe-173-88-230-28.neo.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thinking about that, it would be possible to implement BoolFuck in Daoyu if it were not for the problem of nonlinear partitioning. Linear traversal operates at a higher level than is available < 1459321465 375133 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :256-wrap BF is TC, 128 is, 64 is, 32 is, 16 is, 8 is, 4 is, so why not 2? Or something along those lines < 1459321467 645789 :Kaynato!~Aedile@cpe-173-88-230-28.neo.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could change the level table to make this trivial but I am not sure if that is in the spirit of this language < 1459321480 74916 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how easy is it to emulate unbounded BF in bounded-cell BF? I assume it's harder than the bounded-in-bounded implementations, and interpreter-bundling might even be the easiest way < 1459321642 411596 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: depends on how fast you want it < 1459321662 920080 :Kaynato!~Aedile@cpe-173-88-230-28.neo.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I will set my next goal to be a string copier. It is 3 AM now, so goodnight everyone, once again thank you for being receptive and kind < 1459321678 32647 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :night Kaynato < 1459321736 751045 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well you basically have to use some stick-infinitely-many-cells-in-one method < 1459321744 655574 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1459321746 5166 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: and I don't think you need interpreter bundling. just treat it like a single-tape turing machine with a couple of different symbols, each cell represented by a fixed number of brainfuck cells; represent bignums on the turing machine in unary and shift the whole rest of the tape when you increment a bignum. < 1459321750 810 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the wrong way < 1459321765 535014 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: the other way you definitely go via Minsky machines < 1459321769 230665 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that is, if you don't need efficiency, only turing-completeness, then it's easy. < 1459321786 451530 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: What would you say the most promising path for proving Permafuck's computational class is? < 1459321798 468503 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I agree that it's easy if you just care about TCness < 1459321811 493187 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: Minsky machines < 1459321815 149284 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: OK < 1459321833 926034 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're a really good model for restricted BFs because BF can implement a Minsky machine in two different ways < 1459321846 882701 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :either using single unbounded cells or a row of cells along the tape < 1459321874 310998 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think BCT would also be fairly easy < 1459321898 855777 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you'd have difficulty finding the left end of the queue < 1459321901 623528 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :using two cells for each BCT cell < 1459321918 861167 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: no, it's trivial < 1459321945 179144 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: only two? < 1459321953 91267 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's your iteration command for going from the right end to the left end? < 1459321959 554426 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :every two adjacent boolfuck cells become one 4-brainfuck cell < 1459321962 603169 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe more. i wasn't thinking about getting to the end there. < 1459321965 956451 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, I think you could probably do it using five < 1459321976 580946 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or six? < 1459321977 713939 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think maybe 3? < 1459321988 331490 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and intentionally unbalancing the loop so that you fall to an otherwise unreachable position < 1459322016 820469 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Brainfuck derivatives with nontrivial computational class proofs14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=46698 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+1494) 10Created page (First Example: Permanent Brainfuck) < 1459322030 60240 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :replace each instruction with another instruction that works on the 2-cell < 1459322041 150329 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :to make it even easier < 1459322049 580289 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Are there any strict subsets of brainfuck with trivial computational class proofs? < 1459322052 642577 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :replace the two-cell with three cells, one of which just stores a "is nonzero" bit < 1459322060 127679 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION realizes his massive mistake there
< 1459322071 790337 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION misspoke entirely
< 1459322081 425679 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa whoa whoa, I thought you were talking about n-categories < 1459322081 935477 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there any Turing-Complete strict subsets of brainfuck? < 1459322091 63237 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: remove , and . < 1459322102 300386 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Oh, right. The /useless/ instructions. < 1459322106 11743 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Other than that? < 1459322110 507614 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can remove + or - on with a bounded cell size, and remove < or > with a bounded tape length < 1459322117 487610 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :other than that you can't remove instructions without changing or adding some < 1459322120 583978 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: But isn't that a trivial proof? < 1459322124 772769 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :permanent brainfuck is boring < 1459322126 856779 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I forgot to constrain "nontrivial" < 1459322128 317965 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can't loop < 1459322130 459329 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(obviously if you have both a bounded cell size and a bounded tape length it's sub-TC) < 1459322132 762973 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: why not? < 1459322138 423700 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Yeah, I think that's the biggest problem < 1459322141 668826 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree that you can't write a useful /balanced/ loop < 1459322143 359096 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: by induction < 1459322149 906417 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't see why an unbalanced loop couldn't be useful < 1459322161 347129 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Unbalanced loop? < 1459322171 590036 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually wait < 1459322173 581328 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Like, unbalanced brackets? < 1459322178 548401 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: one which isn't necessarily on the same cell at the [ and the ] < 1459322183 326152 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the input-output method here? < 1459322184 434984 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :that matters < 1459322184 932176 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Ah < 1459322188 8462 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the simplest possible unbalanced loop is [>] < 1459322199 299089 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: I think we ignore those < 1459322201 936919 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: assume no input, output is BF . < 1459322206 688441 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the simplest model I think < 1459322213 256252 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: err, what < 1459322228 999647 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Or , increments the current cell by n, but that just leads to needless complication < 1459322229 949838 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :alternatively you could make output BF . but in bits < 1459322231 548086 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm talking about computational complexity < 1459322237 156722 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that you don't have to store the value of the cell < 1459322243 963039 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does it receive input? < 1459322252 622015 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: It doesn't. < 1459322255 477032 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: which language are you talking about? unbounded-cell BF without - ? < 1459322258 173107 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: It's like a TM: no input < 1459322259 720842 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes < 1459322266 106839 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't need input to prove TCness < 1459322273 392887 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't? < 1459322276 871846 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: No! < 1459322288 669843 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :explain < 1459322288 888100 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: , and . are useless to brainfuck aside from practicality! < 1459322299 435440 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: It's confusing, I know, but if you think long enough, it works < 1459322301 249678 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1459322301 419212 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :durrr < 1459322303 564736 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's alte :( < 1459322305 16268 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :*late < 1459322312 611747 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you were confusing with BF-completeness, I think@ < 1459322315 606908 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*think? < 1459322330 694980 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: @ should be used in actual punctuation < 1459322341 194715 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really love your hair@ <-- Sarcasm < 1459322355 697837 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that's a great idea@ < 1459322362 855866 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Well played. < 1459322382 837914 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean by the output being BF, though? < 1459322386 204967 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do prefer the spanish language's prefix punctuation. < 1459322397 414773 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: It outputs /like/ in BF < 1459322423 563352 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: I assume it only takes the low up-to 8 bits, left-padding with zeros if necessary < 1459322448 522422 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(alternatively, it divides it in up-to 8 bit chunks, but that's just pointless) < 1459322512 776719 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Hm... what other interesting BFs are there? < 1459322544 137652 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Random idea: [ has no behavior. All while loops become do-while loops < 1459322553 805417 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok so the first obvious reduction is that multiple + are idempotent < 1459322566 23946 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: meh < 1459322566 154267 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, I think oerjan or \oren\ published that as "noob fuck" < 1459322568 466405 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: that's actually been named twice (by me and by oerjan), and invented many more times than that < 1459322589 543908 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yes, but has it been explored in properties? Does anyone know how it works? < 1459322613 380684 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seemed trivially TC at first (just undo everything after the loop so it reverts the changes), but now I'm not so sure < 1459322637 522084 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it might loop only 1 time naturally, but then 1 loop is equal to 0 loops < 1459322641 666636 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: right, + is basically "permanently set this cell to 1" < 1459322644 546239 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, what? < 1459322677 155854 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That doesn't sound right... < 1459322728 95437 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know, with the right knowledge, I think BF might actually be /easier/ to compile than to interpret, because the search-for-the-matching-] at every [ feels wrong to me, but just using ASM labels feels OK < 1459322732 542990 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It feels more ethical to compile < 1459322768 278816 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also, if you can't compile BF to at least a custom ASM, you are a n00b of programming who deserves... some suitable punishment.) < 1459322859 610927 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a good project to learn on < 1459322873 898358 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I'm wondering if you can compile BF to x86 via string substitution < 1459322877 230206 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the hard part would be bracket matching < 1459322902 259490 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't do it in the compiler via string substitution, so you'd have to match at runtime somehow < 1459322924 259724 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which probably either involves reading your own code to find the ], or else abstaining the loop for its first iteration < 1459322936 476604 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :mark the [ with a nop < 1459322988 181825 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pick some variety of jump instruction in ] that is used exactly once per ] < 1459322999 999159 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: What kind of string substitution? < 1459323006 85150 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :look backwards through the executing code, looking for the unmatched nop < 1459323007 600995 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :then jump to it < 1459323021 712815 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Wait, the answer is a definite yes < 1459323025 453443 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: s/+/add 1, (%rbp)\n/g < 1459323026 57472 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :See: Thue < 1459323050 810079 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: no, I mean < 1459323055 829458 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for each BF instruction < 1459323062 987156 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :expand it to a string, that is always the same for the same instruction < 1459323065 713070 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Oh, single-pass? < 1459323089 205355 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like you can do a BF to C compiler via replacing "[" with "while (*p) {", "]" with "}", "+" with "(*p)++;", and so on < 1459323142 802612 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: So the question is isomorphic to "Can you compile that subset of C with string substitution" < 1459323148 782313 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I'm unfamiliar with one aspect of computation theroy you can maybe clear me up on < 1459323186 810525 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :if we're trying to prove that a BF-like has the same power as, say, PDAs, is there an enumeration characteriazation we can use? < 1459323186 940967 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: err, no, because I mean you replace each character of the input with a string in the output < 1459323208 518938 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: things tend to end up not well-defined if you look at them in too much detail < 1459323225 899167 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well then < 1459323228 285221 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I typically use an informal "can you compile an X into a Y in such a way that the programs 'do the same thing'" < 1459323231 766602 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :seemms like a problem < 1459323244 647103 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :trying to define this more precisely is indeed a huge problem that has defined considerable portions of my life < 1459323253 646863 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i.e. basically all the 2,3/Wolfram stuff) < 1459323256 276392 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1459323266 498592 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew you had some experience in the area ;) < 1459323290 298049 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459323395 32727 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Is there a simple language similar to brainfuck that can definitely be compiled with sed? < 1459323402 97282 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or sed--) < 1459323416 360256 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(sed-- really just has regexless s/// expressions) < 1459323432 27869 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Because that's all sed is really used for in most cases anyway) < 1459323441 921798 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: sed is TC, so… < 1459323448 714538 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Then sed-- < 1459323481 82842 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are you compiling it into? < 1459323487 99174 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ASM < 1459323490 804466 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Same as you < 1459323517 587522 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Or did you finish that while I wasn't looking? < 1459323530 9097 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I'm thinking something like BF+^ < 1459323545 603582 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, you can compile asm into asm pretty easily :-P < 1459323555 294714 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1459323572 993105 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: s/(.*)/\g1/ < 1459323583 493513 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, no, s/(.*)/\g<1>/ < 1459323604 660607 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The standard set of BF+x instructions is yet to be defined, but ^ is "Jump back by the number of characters in the current cell) < 1459323625 636711 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm attempting to make the world's greatest BF compiler, called ABfCI < 1459323702 429489 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I /think/ that with unbounded cells, you can compile BF+^,v into BF fairly simply, but I'm not sure if it can be done via string substitution < 1459323824 68294 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm... < 1459323858 286789 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to use x86 as the target for ABfCI, but I'm not sure what to do with it; any time I try to read up on it I get intimidated because I'm a bit pathetic < 1459323926 894703 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I'm going to inherit the earth, so at least I've got that going for me < 1459324804 992897 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@2a02:1811:d22:cc00:cf5:8608:1a23:d0be JOIN :#esoteric < 1459325438 61946 :^v!~v^@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1459325488 527160 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1459325495 984860 :^v!~v^@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459326148 530309 :Kaynato!~Aedile@cpe-173-88-230-28.neo.res.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1459327746 517725 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu QUIT :Quit: That's what she said < 1459328034 350983 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.159 JOIN :#esoteric < 1459328042 73346 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.159 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a blocking version of InputStream? < 1459328053 438515 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.159 PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh wrong channel :) < 1459328163 502761 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: itym "fnærd" hth < 1459328213 109664 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought InputStream was blocking by default :-( < 1459328234 800362 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( just pass it to a BlockingStreamFactory ) < 1459328333 733906 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: would be more likely a BlockingFilterStream < 1459328352 842107 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no reason to factorize when you can just use it as a constructor parameter < 1459328377 747337 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you seem to assume i know the difference < 1459328414 958239 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, NOT ENTERPRISEY ENOUGH < 1459329778 4022 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: LNaiter < 1459330816 774916 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid webpages unnecessarily using crazy complicated javascript and css to try to just show some textual information that they could show on a simple static textual webpage, and messing it up so the words keeps overlapping each other or getting truncated. < 1459330895 832963 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or break scrolling or navigation commands < 1459330958 938689 :gniourf!~gniourf@pdm-l03.insa-lyon.fr QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1459331156 48219 :gniourf!~gniourf@pdm-l03.insa-lyon.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1459331228 628927 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Belatedly, the TOYS fingerprint has block copy/move operations. < 1459331258 636931 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I was thinking about the idea of no-delta-change *funge < 1459331270 250742 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(probably unefunge as the extra dimensions wouldn't help all that much) < 1459331292 801432 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the idea being that you copy code ahead of the IP to run it, in the style of various esolangs (IIRC SMITH?) < 1459331490 345454 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds feasible. < 1459331900 922793 :nooga!~nooga@94.42.122.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1459331912 353808 :nooga!~nooga@94.42.122.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kood < 1459333437 825234 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: (1) how is that a fungeoid, and (2) can you at least jump, even if you can't change the delta? < 1459333460 615590 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I didn't say it was a fungeoid, just a restriction of funge < 1459333471 643521 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I wasn't planning on having jumps either < 1459333479 403736 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1459333481 423423 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1459333487 820982 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you may have trouble copying commands fast enough to not run out of them then < 1459333504 257686 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: that's why I asked if there were any block copy fingerprints < 1459333526 204314 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1459333566 249517 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well if you have a block copy, then you could just always copy the next block ahead of you whenever you jump < 1459333605 829934 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1459333615 591195 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess to make it harder you could add a rule against copying over nonzero memory < 1459333736 456298 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: even then it's not hard < 1459333744 961984 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1459333790 213069 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you break your code to elementary blocks (with no jumps at the middle and one jump at the end) and copy only the next one at the end of the block < 1459333822 47889 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, the hard part is writing conditionals, but you can do it via arithmetic < 1459333829 111466 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :computing one block or another to jump to (i.e. copy forwards) < 1459333853 649344 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :arithmetic? doesn't funge have easy value conditional statements? < 1459333965 817377 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they change the delta < 1459333967 215705 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, doesn't matter, it has a proper value comparison function, and you can combine that with arithmetic and stack control to make a conditional < 1459333982 517695 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right, it has a less-than < 1459333993 481441 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is basically an arithmetical < rather than a control-flow < < 1459334002 595748 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1459334090 215803 :Reece`!~nothing@cpc4-wiga13-2-0-cust799.18-3.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459334092 873186 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ` command for less-than compare, arithmetic on the stack, and the g and p commands to load and store from random memory (which together let you do stack operations too) < 1459335613 897345 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu JOIN :#esoteric < 1459335964 800686 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar CYUL < 1459335965 163758 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYUL 301000Z 24004KT 15SM SCT240 M02/M06 A3021 RMK CI4 SLP232 < 1459336756 883671 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: GERMANIC CHICKEN < 1459337010 371942 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.159 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: InputStream is just an abstract class with a default implementation that blocks, yes. < 1459337018 796892 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.159 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but actual implementations of InputStream can do whatever they want < 1459337042 781797 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1459337044 876969 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.159 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if you get an InputStream from somewhere, it is not guaranteed to behave in the way the default implementation does. < 1459337051 16328 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd /expect/ them to make it block though < 1459337071 7244 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because that's what the interface contract implies < 1459337782 265698 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459337924 1936 :earendel!~earendel@unaffiliated/earendel JOIN :#esoteric < 1459338093 302703 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1459338197 61359 :J_Arcane_!~chatzilla@37-219-5-127.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1459338294 958581 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-5-127.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1459338295 998435 :J_Arcane_!~chatzilla@37-219-5-127.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi NICK :J_Arcane < 1459338319 106285 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1459338671 944757 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.159 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah but the docs also mention that subclasses are free to do otherwise < 1459338692 163765 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.159 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so basically unless an InputStream overrides the read method it will block < 1459339580 955764 :Hoolootwo!~Hoolootwo@sorunome.de QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1459339981 138644 :Hoolootwo!~Hoolootwo@hooloovoo.blue JOIN :#esoteric < 1459341144 184441 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-5-127.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1459341477 101137 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-084-062-097-181.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Quit: Terminated < 1459341502 207137 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-084-062-097-181.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1459342113 883341 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1459343901 36738 :augur_!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459344030 207051 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1459344030 434299 :dingbat!uid70835@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bvrxbrldbbvtsgrk QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1459344222 380205 :mbrcknl!sid28171@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wqjjrtpssvgaskrk QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1459344230 318148 :dingbat!uid70835@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-cxmfuxayfqncsder JOIN :#esoteric < 1459344388 257546 :mbrcknl!sid28171@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-shxqrvrskoxzcgjc JOIN :#esoteric < 1459345875 914622 :meAgen!~meAgen@ool-44c6196d.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459345932 586314 :meAgen!~meAgen@ool-44c6196d.dyn.optonline.net PART :#esoteric < 1459346433 17152 :Guest6809!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1459346530 202733 :miko_!~miko@2001-4dd7-a35c-0-a9de-b5cc-c0e5-551f.ipv6dyn.netcologne.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1459346685 686156 :miko_!~miko@2001-4dd7-a35c-0-a9de-b5cc-c0e5-551f.ipv6dyn.netcologne.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi. I'm looking for a serious, but IMHO higly esoteric language. The main feature is the lack of turing completeness, as no unbounded loops are permitted. < 1459346740 685021 :miko_!~miko@2001-4dd7-a35c-0-a9de-b5cc-c0e5-551f.ipv6dyn.netcologne.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I saw in on HN. It looked a bit like C, and was on github. It was like the serious cusin of cloop. < 1459346774 476717 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-097-181.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1459346805 193391 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-084-062-097-181.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1459346849 806212 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-178-006-010-224.178.006.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1459347031 33616 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :miko_: http://tkatchev.bitbucket.org/tab/ < 1459347033 489058 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1459347344 984129 :miko_!~miko@2001-4dd7-a35c-0-a9de-b5cc-c0e5-551f.ipv6dyn.netcologne.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :prooftechnique, while that looks interesting, It wasn't that. It was simpler, and the syntax was a curly braces language. I think it was promoted under the "langsec" mantra. < 1459347920 474544 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :miko_: Crema? < 1459348000 323096 :miko_!~miko@2001-4dd7-a35c-0-a9de-b5cc-c0e5-551f.ipv6dyn.netcologne.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes! Thank You! < 1459350846 1086 :miko_!~miko@2001-4dd7-a35c-0-a9de-b5cc-c0e5-551f.ipv6dyn.netcologne.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1459350891 300953 :gremlins!~nothing@cpc4-wiga13-2-0-cust799.18-3.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459351134 184285 :Reece`!~nothing@cpc4-wiga13-2-0-cust799.18-3.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1459351174 47783 :earendel!~earendel@unaffiliated/earendel QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1459351216 26878 :jaboja!~jaboja@vps.jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1459351563 175437 :miko_!~miko@2001-4dd7-9b72-0-a9de-b5cc-c0e5-551f.ipv6dyn.netcologne.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1459351716 140377 :nooga!~nooga@94.42.122.147 QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1459353015 133349 :Kaynato!~Aedile@casewireless02.CWRU.Edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1459353595 232136 :miko_!~miko@2001-4dd7-9b72-0-a9de-b5cc-c0e5-551f.ipv6dyn.netcologne.de QUIT :Quit: Verlassend < 1459353983 893022 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.159 QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1459354088 435145 :bender|!benderpc@2404:e800:e61a:41d:91fc:c366:1b68:890b QUIT :Changing host < 1459354088 565313 :bender|!benderpc@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 JOIN :#esoteric < 1459354227 118524 :bender|!benderpc@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1459354598 162739 :Kaynato!~Aedile@casewireless02.CWRU.Edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1459355032 161366 :MoALTz!~no@78-11-183-124.static.ip.netia.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1459355168 987127 :jaboja!~jaboja@vps.jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1459355245 270963 :Kaynato!~Aedile@casewireless03.CWRU.Edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1459356292 227336 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-5-127.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1459357477 851169 :Lilly_Goodman!~canaima@147.1.229.198.in-addr.arpa JOIN :#esoteric < 1459357490 291224 :Lilly_Goodman!~canaima@147.1.229.198.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hola < 1459357837 28346 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey < 1459357960 755493 :Lilly_Goodman!~canaima@147.1.229.198.in-addr.arpa QUIT :Excess Flood < 1459357982 63516 :Lilly_Goodman!~canaima@147.1.229.198.in-addr.arpa JOIN :#esoteric < 1459359009 281675 :jaboja!~jaboja@vps.jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1459359011 371121 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1459359068 982012 :Lilly_Goodman!~canaima@147.1.229.198.in-addr.arpa QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1459359108 681252 :lambda-11235!~lambda-11@47-208-113-50.erkacmtk03.res.dyn.suddenlink.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459359231 967554 :Lilly_Goodman!~canaima@147.1.229.198.in-addr.arpa JOIN :#esoteric < 1459359624 775060 :MoALTz!~no@78-11-183-124.static.ip.netia.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1459359675 360498 :Caesura!~Aedile@casewireless03.CWRU.Edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1459359868 31884 :Kaynato!~Aedile@casewireless03.CWRU.Edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1459360237 530945 :Caesura!~Aedile@casewireless03.CWRU.Edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1459360750 54210 :p34k!~p34k@nat-wh-wz4-12.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1459360828 178511 :jaboja!~jaboja@vps.jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1459361623 381010 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1459361704 387072 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1459361761 298344 :Reece`!~nothing@cpc4-wiga13-2-0-cust799.18-3.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459361775 297701 :gremlins!~nothing@cpc4-wiga13-2-0-cust799.18-3.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1459361967 298153 :gremlins!~nothing@cpc4-wiga13-2-0-cust799.18-3.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459361978 922860 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-5-127.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1459362007 474786 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-5-127.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1459362145 419398 :gremlins2!~nothing@cpc4-wiga13-2-0-cust799.18-3.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459362195 297234 :Reece`!~nothing@cpc4-wiga13-2-0-cust799.18-3.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1459362237 298328 :gremlins!~nothing@cpc4-wiga13-2-0-cust799.18-3.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1459362246 25454 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Do you think crema goes well with SALSA? < 1459362247 299783 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm making a military-grade brainfuck compiler < 1459362300 31485 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:feff:ff:fe00:316b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it written in Ada < 1459362326 238966 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kybfiynvhhxltbuq JOIN :#esoteric < 1459362377 528891 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: No, but it's cross-platform < 1459362416 938341 :jaboja!~jaboja@vps.jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1459362646 364728 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1459362683 399574 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1459362775 367908 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I'm making it include a number of useful /optional/ extensions to ease programmers with its usage < 1459362785 308592 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: But they have to be enabled < 1459362898 15016 :Caesura!~Aedile@casewireless03.CWRU.Edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1459362937 81593 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: By the .conf file for that module < 1459363014 600118 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Which is encoded in JSON (though maybe I'll change it to YAML)) < 1459363168 482688 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1459363559 967744 :jaboja!~jaboja@vps.jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1459363561 941077 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, so where does the bureaucracy fit in? < 1459363621 61060 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :prooftechnique: What bureaucracy? I can add that if you like. < 1459363649 353990 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :prooftechnique: Is bureaucracy a programming pattern, or are you speaking of it in the literal sense? < 1459363663 502543 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :If in the literal sense, I don't see how it's relevant < 1459363676 72668 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:feff:ff:fe00:316b PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's Military Standard (tm) < 1459363689 308204 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Oh, yes. < 1459363716 821575 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Should I add "springback points" < 1459363733 198071 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:feff:ff:fe00:316b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Springback points? < 1459363738 556128 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Which would be like using CJMP on the top of the stack, but instead it moves the tape < 1459363752 714131 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: So you can PUSH the current tape location, then later POP it and jump back there < 1459363792 725082 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:feff:ff:fe00:316b PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a... rather extendy extension < 1459363810 514843 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: It is. But it gives me a use for the stack. < 1459363817 392801 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: And it's fully optional < 1459363822 336242 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: And not hard to implement < 1459363833 30668 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:feff:ff:fe00:316b PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can use the stack for [ jumpback! I think < 1459363845 233727 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wpa-6-1408.cc.umanitoba.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1459363850 256625 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Yes, but I don't, because that'll make ^ confusing if I implement it < 1459363862 545892 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you ^ to somewhere after the [ but before the ] < 1459363886 322022 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The metaphor is that you "tie a knot" on the current cell, then you later follow the string. Because programmers can't understand this stuff in the abstract, obviously. < 1459363891 728423 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'd be good for pointers < 1459363949 79671 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Part of the goal of ABfCI is to be usable, while still including normal bf by default < 1459363962 562708 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: But you have a point about being very extendy. < 1459364294 975068 :Lilly_Goodman!~canaima@147.1.229.198.in-addr.arpa QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1459364430 297962 :Reece`!~nothing@cpc4-wiga13-2-0-cust799.18-3.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459364527 372403 :gremlins2!~nothing@cpc4-wiga13-2-0-cust799.18-3.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1459364659 433713 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1459364717 281324 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1459364967 256242 :jaboja!~jaboja@vps.jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1459365385 506291 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1459365786 217913 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wpa-6-1408.cc.umanitoba.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1459366257 150659 :lambda-11235!~lambda-11@47-208-113-50.erkacmtk03.res.dyn.suddenlink.net QUIT :Quit: Bye < 1459366579 963601 :XorSwap!XorSwap@wpa-6-1408.cc.umanitoba.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1459366655 480310 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1459367337 48788 :jaboja!~jaboja@vps.jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1459367979 99790 :mihow!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459368022 298346 :Reece!~nothing@cpc4-wiga13-2-0-cust799.18-3.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459368054 298516 :Reece`!~nothing@cpc4-wiga13-2-0-cust799.18-3.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1459368243 447384 :trn!jhj@trnsz.com QUIT :Quit: quit < 1459368481 971861 :Reece`!~nothing@cpc4-wiga13-2-0-cust799.18-3.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459368558 298606 :Reece!~nothing@cpc4-wiga13-2-0-cust799.18-3.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1459368993 967654 :XorSwap!XorSwap@wpa-6-1408.cc.umanitoba.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1459369518 639767 :trn!jhj@trnsz.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1459370104 362154 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1459370158 365920 :Zoroaster!~Aedile@casewireless03.CWRU.Edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1459370306 332280 :MoALTz!~no@78-11-183-124.static.ip.netia.com.pl QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1459370330 530048 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1459370346 16238 :Caesura!~Aedile@casewireless03.CWRU.Edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1459370502 857720 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459370755 781095 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1459370877 285193 :jaboja!~jaboja@vps.jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1459371063 873001 :Reece`!~nothing@cpc4-wiga13-2-0-cust799.18-3.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1459371138 537456 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@2a02:1811:d22:cc00:cf5:8608:1a23:d0be QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in < 1459371633 302607 :Coronel!~Coronel@90.208.60.175 JOIN :#esoteric < 1459371903 999166 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1459372196 378731 :Coronel!~Coronel@90.208.60.175 PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1459372393 64604 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What data model hasn't been languaged yet? < 1459372436 296958 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps the Real Minsky Machine? < 1459372443 508191 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1459372444 787559 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :banana < 1459372457 626505 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a special register called "am" < 1459372471 310880 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And when you increment or decrement a register, you're really changing by 1/am < 1459372477 750632 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :am starts at 1 and cannot go below 0 < 1459372491 211095 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds weird < 1459372499 837819 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :but interesting < 1459372501 313809 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it is incremented/decremented normally, instead of by the 1/am (unless you're hardcore) < 1459372520 950031 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: It's trivially TC, but it hasn't been done before AFAIK < 1459372618 27833 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :with just increment and decrement? < 1459372671 846676 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps s/Real/Harmonic/ < 1459372692 618260 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(since you can easily compute harmonic numbers ;-) < 1459372694 389273 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1459372847 802080 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Oooh :) < 1459372858 697573 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: Yes, it's a Minsky Machine < 1459372865 217602 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: It's not JUST inc/dec < 1459372871 339636 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :what other operations? < 1459372875 603571 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: It's also an FSM with alternate transformations < 1459372888 920408 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :it made me think < 1459372907 185800 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: A minsky machine can be thought of as an ASM with the instructions INC(reg), JMP(dest), and JZDEC(reg, dest) < 1459372911 283543 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: now the evil version... you cannot modify am. instead, am is incremented by one after each operation. < 1459372919 632573 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: You're a bad person < 1459372940 973848 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: The other evil version is the one where incrementing/decrementing AM is affected by AM < 1459372944 121647 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: You need >= 2 registers for TCness < 1459372946 784611 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(to simplify things, test for zero would be replaced by a comparison r < 1/am) < 1459372965 233748 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Why? < 1459372969 309470 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Oh, I see < 1459372981 113771 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: because I imagine that hitting zero exactly will become extremely hard < 1459372984 396286 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: This might make for a good Malbolge... < 1459373005 531534 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I suppose would be, as 1/x has an asymptote at 0 < 1459373013 809524 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(An asymptote that it does /not/ cross) < 1459373056 481336 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1459373123 80244 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Hppavilion1/Simple Languages14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=46699 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+878) 10Switchboard < 1459373196 826788 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: What about a Minsky Machine based on strings? < 1459373220 962598 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, that seems fairly similar to a TM < 1459373229 716664 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :With two registers, you can treat them both as stacks < 1459373232 705400 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: that sounds too much like a Turing machine (since two stacks easily give you a tape) < 1459373244 218613 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I know < 1459373250 211254 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: That's what I just said < 1459373268 862649 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :not before I started typing :P < 1459373298 678506 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: A Minksy Machine with... hm... what other data types could we use? < 1459373420 753308 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :for lack of a sensible answer... how about popcorn. < 1459373437 538215 :Zoroaster!~Aedile@casewireless03.CWRU.Edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1459373488 844389 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Map Machine? An Abstract Machine that actually feels like programming? < 1459373507 446936 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Because it has real variables) < 1459373520 919841 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Image Machine, which deals with images. < 1459373576 458141 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Especially useful because you can combine it with a TM or MM to make an Abstract Monitor :P < 1459374536 141831 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kybfiynvhhxltbuq QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1459374581 974129 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e? < 1459374831 923705 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1459374853 771949 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :we could use types? < 1459374870 931401 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :increment int < 1459374886 852280 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: Maybe < 1459374891 826386 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: Formal Proof Machine? < 1459374903 967810 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :we could use problems < 1459374907 996124 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: I'd also like to see someone make a TM-like λ-calc interpretation < 1459374909 811799 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, logical problems < 1459374915 826611 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: Logic Machine? < 1459374929 466329 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :increment halting problem < 1459374936 738331 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :now it's the halting plus problem < 1459374937 721918 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: 42 < 1459374944 345106 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: = 42 < 1459374952 1979 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1459374953 280119 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric := 42! < 1459374965 868070 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric := 42! < 1459374966 921371 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :how would one describe a logical problem < 1459374995 832501 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: In terms of predicates and such < 1459375006 334496 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: But with the extra ? symbol < 1459375009 323057 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :a logical problem might be a set of relations of variables < 1459375010 585923 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :halts(X)? < 1459375032 15259 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :? is a postfix operator meaning "devise an expression to solve the previous problem" < 1459375047 535381 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :halts(X)?? returns FALSE or something < 1459375050 669189 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :["y=1": ["x=0"], "y=0": ["x=1"]] < 1459375053 479055 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something < 1459375063 122185 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: So... Table? < 1459375067 330510 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe < 1459375073 982357 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: Actually, that makes sense... < 1459375093 859002 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: I still think we need a Logic Machine or something < 1459375112 894604 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :["one condition": ["conditions that are only true if that condition is true"], "other condition": ["other conditions"], "unknown condition"] < 1459375122 226400 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: Not "only true" < 1459375132 129095 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: More like "are proven true" < 1459375162 345024 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :["x = 1": ["y = 0"], "x = 0": ["y = 1"], "x = 0"] -> "y = 1" or something? < 1459375169 893799 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The closed world assumption means we could interpret a logical proposition as a gate that turns on when it receives a signal and stays on forever < 1459375183 778759 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :closed world? < 1459375198 444668 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: Closed World means unproven things are interpreted as FALSE < 1459375204 918888 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: Open World allows them to be UNDEFINED < 1459375232 959773 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: That's looking a lot like PROLOG < 1459375260 613757 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :give me an example of a bit of prolog < 1459375279 250121 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fallible(X) :- human(X). < 1459375296 697587 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That means "If X is human, X is fallible" < 1459375296 988323 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :so a human is fallible? < 1459375301 122385 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: Yes < 1459375301 830472 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1459375312 460456 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if you also have: < 1459375313 418245 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :human(socrates). < 1459375314 357614 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :["human": ["fallible"]] < 1459375315 696416 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you call < 1459375321 919870 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :?- fallible(socrates) < 1459375322 87472 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you meant: v @ ? . < 1459375328 378902 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prolog will say "yes" < 1459375337 853869 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot: I did not. < 1459375341 151097 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :.walrus < 1459375365 826075 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: I have a more extensive example about my family tree < 1459375377 706705 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :[human: [fallible], socrates: [human]] < 1459375395 952839 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :contains(socrates, fallible) == true < 1459375429 816418 :Guest6809!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1459375447 396726 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: that actually seems weird in the sense that predicates and instances look the same < 1459375447 527040 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: That works < 1459375488 650621 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: But your earlier ["y = 1": ["x = 1": ["y = 0"], "x = 0": ["y = 1"], "x = 0"]] would be an issue with how Logic Programming works < 1459375492 149325 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. note that in prolog you cannot use fallible(human) in the same sense as fallible(X) :- human(X) < 1459375497 349079 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: However, that syntax might work well for type theory < 1459375498 26455 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting < 1459375513 280397 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, if you like logic programming, have a look at curry < 1459375541 111913 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: A nice syntax would be fallible(X : human) < 1459375554 805042 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is syntactic sugar for fallible(X) :- human(X) < 1459375573 267988 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think you'd need that kind of sugar < 1459375583 48610 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: It looks nice < 1459375590 990431 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is not consistent with any syntax in prolog < 1459375607 662650 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i find it less readable < 1459375613 460514 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: Fair enough < 1459375645 611529 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :once you get that :- is an implication, prolog makes perfectly sense < 1459375656 358510 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: One thing prolog can't do is anonymous implication < 1459375661 71126 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that X: human syntax doesn't fit < 1459375672 751917 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, how would you handle more complex expressions < 1459375682 786388 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it has issues with anonymous predicates < 1459375702 527141 :mihow!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1459375731 389592 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't do speciesHasAttr(S, A) :- species(S), (A(X) :- S(X)) < 1459375758 770861 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a version with that? < 1459375778 70485 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds weird in the same sense as rdococ's syntax < 1459375793 877654 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it's higher order < 1459375797 559852 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: No, because I don't think there's a known algorithm to unify those < 1459375807 147349 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: In fact, I would go so far as to say it's probably undecidable < 1459375820 693910 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :afair it is < 1459375831 321270 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least if you have binary relations < 1459375832 555994 :tromp!~tromp@216.223.243.225 QUIT :Quit: Konversation terminated! < 1459375846 883454 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459375847 14019 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: Yep < 1459375852 426683 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(undecidable, that is) < 1459376125 456320 :mihow!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459376477 149541 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1459376637 138933 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :father = parent and male < 1459376645 497958 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :mother = parent and female < 1459376673 934803 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :father(X, Y) :- parent(X), male(X) < 1459376713 306435 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :son = parent(x) < 1459376725 181583 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something < 1459376753 153821 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just look at prolog? < 1459376760 383176 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, as i said, curry < 1459376774 966820 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :parent(X, Y) :- child(Y, X) < 1459376783 941210 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :child(Y, X) = parent(X, Y) < 1459376788 718055 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :inverse prolog < 1459376831 32640 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah < 1459376836 395301 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1459376858 546627 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :or with my syntax < 1459376863 755949 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :[parent: [children]] < 1459376878 178892 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :[sarah: [children: [bob]]] < 1459376880 714081 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something < 1459376906 646069 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :your syntax looks like a neat idea at first, but i'd say it would be just horrible to implement in < 1459376916 263256 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just take your parent: children < 1459376929 131288 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you do if they differ in arity? < 1459376938 734340 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :arity? < 1459376946 283153 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :number of arguments < 1459376957 100818 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean < 1459376961 293959 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, parent only has one argument but children has two < 1459376997 724083 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :so??? < 1459377007 318359 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :parent(X) would mean X is a parent. not telling about the kids. children(X, Y) would tell that X is the child of Y < 1459377028 533044 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how would you represent the missing information in your format of parent: children? < 1459377035 22093 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :idk < 1459377043 811084 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :it makes me tired just looking at it < 1459377063 805 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1459377067 742835 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :go full curry :p < 1459377093 798115 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what could be wrong about a nondeterministic haskell derivate < 1459377109 660394 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1459377110 169809 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :x ? y = x < 1459377116 210584 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :x ? y = y < 1459377125 582550 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :default definition of ? in curry < 1459377133 327446 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so 0?1 is either 0 or 1 < 1459377161 239328 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :insert x ys = x:ys < 1459377173 973426 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :insert x (y:ys) = y:insert x ys < 1459377186 111347 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :will put an element randomly in a list < 1459377209 68588 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1459377214 355281 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :who needs data types < 1459377219 5828 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :boolean = true ? false < 1459377228 311831 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :permutation (x:xs) = insert x (permutation xs) < 1459377264 298100 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1459377286 831619 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about this < 1459377302 286846 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also: reverse f x' | f x == x' = x where x free < 1459377309 292305 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just reverses a function < 1459377331 860455 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"you want to make a parser? easy, make a print function and reverse it" < 1459377344 639275 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :that actually works? < 1459377350 180237 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does < 1459377356 506390 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1459377364 147969 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :last (xs ++ [e]) = e < 1459377367 667938 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also works < 1459377407 867600 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :reverse reverse? < 1459377416 299498 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :what happens if you reverse reverse < 1459377462 676875 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be: g x' | reverse x == x' where x free < 1459377485 981254 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't make much sense < 1459377515 526644 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but go try it < 1459377684 15725 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1459377704 531207 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had this string substitution language < 1459377706 761185 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :it went like this < 1459377713 839514 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :true and true = true < 1459377719 113113 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :true and $x = $x < 1459377724 100303 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :$x and true = $x < 1459377731 286338 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :false and $x = false < 1459377743 134094 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :$x and $y = $y and $x < 1459377752 289401 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like that < 1459377756 409868 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the last one for < 1459377767 74936 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the others look just like haskell < 1459377791 951583 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just the definition of && and || < 1459377824 979605 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh but mine was only that < 1459377836 831520 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :no data types < 1459377848 109254 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :just string subtitution < 1459377961 948744 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :successor predecessor $x = $x < 1459378012 557120 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :predecessor successor = successor predecessor < 1459378015 239765 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :add $x $y = add (successor $x) (predecessor $y) < 1459378018 473392 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :add $x 0 = $x < 1459378032 753849 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :numerals in a couple of lines of code < 1459378167 523262 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :still perfectly doable in haskell in the exact way < 1459378175 989035 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@194.108.5.201 QUIT :Quit: *bubbles away* < 1459378185 174304 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, at our university we let students do that thing < 1459378201 15881 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :define natural numbers, implement addition and substraction < 1459378231 134234 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1459378239 193439 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess mine's a stripped down version then < 1459378246 703564 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :without data types < 1459378249 777515 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :because < 1459378263 414633 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, kind of < 1459378278 543851 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what you cannot do in your version is 1 and 0 < 1459378285 427032 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it doesn't match < 1459378292 948067 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 = 0 < 1459378312 960127 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, no need to define 0 < 1459378332 758552 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't say anything against it < 1459378344 276004 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just said "1 and 0" is an alid expressioni < 1459378353 249747 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because none of your and-rules apply < 1459378389 801959 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :data $x \= $y[] = (type $y = $x) < 1459378411 555046 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :\=* < 1459378809 271722 :jaboja!~jaboja@vps.jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1459378863 387774 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :halts $x = huh... < 1459378972 297144 :lleu!~gnomebad@cpc15-croy20-2-0-cust489.croy.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459378972 427342 :lleu!~gnomebad@cpc15-croy20-2-0-cust489.croy.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Changing host < 1459378972 427407 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu JOIN :#esoteric < 1459379251 526567 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459379268 583187 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ < 1459379351 376537 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah? < 1459379549 408718 :p34k!~p34k@nat-wh-wz4-12.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de QUIT : < 1459379573 302440 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: Just alerting you to my returnedness. I was eating yogurt and thus had half access to one hand < 1459379590 802230 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://dl.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=96559.96570 has &lgr; for some reason. I have no clue what that entity means < 1459379692 941594 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone know what that means? It's not in Mathematical Operators, Miscellaneous Mathematical Symbols-A, or Miscellaneous Mathematical Symbols-B < 1459379758 940948 :jaboja!~jaboja@vps.jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1459379914 963121 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks like it's a typo < 1459379935 562593 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It could be ≶ (≶) < 1459380004 922104 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dammit, looks like the site I checked doesn't cover them all < 1459380011 321826 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :All entities, that is < 1459380016 934011 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :≶ isn't listed < 1459380020 920816 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :<> < 1459380043 868889 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1459380047 955667 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :a novel datatype < 1459380057 364737 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got it! < 1459380067 307696 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :datatype < 1459380075 284359 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :INCR integer < 1459380083 20699 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :integer + fraction < 1459380116 856916 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :complex - real < 1459380163 665848 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :x + y = z = z - y = z < 1459380188 606663 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :egloblam < 1459380207 436071 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459380209 627409 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eglo Blam, the easiest language ever < 1459380278 797348 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there is no turing complete machine with only one register? < 1459380279 664344 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: I vote we invent a Functor Calculus and call it the ð-calc < 1459380286 379631 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: There is < 1459380287 569751 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :functor? < 1459380301 789165 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :well there has to be < 1459380312 261336 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: It's called "Turing Machine with a Single Useless and Unusable Register" < 1459380316 611660 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1459380323 810050 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :took the thoughts straight out of my head < 1459380344 773531 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: Exactly < 1459380348 304442 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: Wait, there is < 1459380352 352693 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what if there's only that register < 1459380354 329690 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :and nothing else < 1459380356 946766 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: It's a variant on the Minsky Machine < 1459380369 764420 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :tell me more < 1459380372 373305 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: Then you have "An Extra Useless Register No One Wanted to Use" < 1459380378 917868 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: It's like a minksy machine < 1459380405 927232 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: But you also have cm(r, n) and cd(r, n) < 1459380412 878459 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :cm and cd? < 1459380415 544836 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where cm is constant multiply and cd is constant divide < 1459380436 140214 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :cm(3) < 1459380446 700247 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :incr r < 1459380450 993402 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :cm r 23 < 1459380452 578184 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: Oh, right, you don't need a regaddress :P < 1459380462 725105 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1459380471 111663 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You only divide if it's divisible by that constant, and it enacts an alternate state transition on dividing < 1459380475 843782 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: ^important < 1459380486 696979 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :an alternate state transition < 1459380488 640479 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh < 1459380490 572841 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I was trying to remember the caveat I was forgetting) < 1459380503 91202 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: The same way JZDEC follows an alternate state transition if r=0 < 1459380514 381090 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :to church? jk < 1459380567 231577 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :could there be a declarative machine code? < 1459380591 275631 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: Yes < 1459380598 671814 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :awesome < 1459380609 535752 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: TM descriptions are declarative < 1459380618 927027 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :descriptions... < 1459380634 257343 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :my TM brain is not so TC < 1459380644 882964 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: The things that describe which TM to use < 1459380657 678804 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1459380809 760051 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: The real question is whether there could be an /interrogative/ machine code < 1459381170 792009 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07BASICER14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=46700 5* 03Rdococ 5* (+1749) 10Introducing the Beginners' All-purpose Symbolic Instruction Code, Esoteric Revision! Which isn't Turing Complete! Yay! < 1459381206 946357 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :or BSSIC by Beginners' Some-purpose Symbolic Instruction Code < 1459381222 684840 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :not all purpose < 1459381293 65313 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg < 1459381295 928952 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ds01-214-177.dynamic.mtsallstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459381307 212500 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just realized that my other language PRINTASKSWITCHINPUTCASEXGOTOACASEYGOTOBELSEGOTOC has a dirty word in it by complete mistake < 1459381413 669706 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not a dirty word < 1459381514 81456 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: You hadn't notice that until just now? < 1459381539 51799 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :just noticed it < 1459381551 332864 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: It's "got" I think < 1459381570 926536 :jaboja!~jaboja@vps.jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1459381573 144771 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: My 4th grade english teacher certainly would disagree with you < 1459381627 81693 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? there's nothing wrong with "asks" < 1459381702 141544 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh, look after INPUT < 1459381707 283551 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: I may have made this joke before, but who's ppro? Your dual? < 1459381710 586434 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: *sigh* < 1459381712 505279 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: yes < 1459381725 50227 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: We were being funny < 1459381732 864078 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1459381737 742928 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: No, I asked *who* < 1459381743 549509 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], you're in an array?! < 1459381743 928054 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: What's ppro like? < 1459381768 74044 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: No, hppavilion is a number and I'm calculating a range < 1459381776 925113 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1459381777 422977 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/calculating // < 1459381797 346123 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion = 0 < 1459381805 377595 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO- < 1459381811 223925 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1459381818 605162 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh? < 1459381832 471356 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :did I mess up the variable? < 1459381859 280590 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion = 1 < 1459381877 58406 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is concerned for a range? weird
< 1459381877 561711 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459381894 210337 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: Don't do that again < 1459381896 422575 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion = 1 < 1459381906 120851 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: People divide by me occasionally < 1459381926 542012 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was hppavilion before I set it to 0 < 1459381928 308637 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion = pi^(e*i) < 1459381931 379959 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fixed < 1459381947 770995 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :what would happen if I set you to 3? < 1459381955 574339 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: I don't know < 1459381973 693430 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :co(ppro) < 1459381989 230273 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro is a coroutine running ppro < 1459382014 914018 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm rdococ, a function removing a directory called ococ < 1459382019 74219 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: You could also be the coproduct of professionalism < 1459382026 936618 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :he* < 1459382038 218192 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1459382040 463662 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :or you mean me? < 1459382051 355749 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: Whoops, coppro < 1459382085 602320 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1459382133 748487 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about a system where computation is achieved by time travel < 1459382194 359735 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1459382206 442481 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? wisdom < 1459382217 934867 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? `? < 1459382224 945270 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :[bot: father] < 1459382229 243755 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :now he's a deadBOT dad < 1459382253 99919 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1459382268 927935 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about a language where programs are channels < 1459382285 709089 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​`? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1459382285 843248 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tautology/A tautology is a tautology. Oren invented them. < 1459382285 973451 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom is always factually accurate, except for this entry, and uh that other one? it started with like, an ø? < 1459382311 885983 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1459382312 155996 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1459382313 93240 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1459382317 20824 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol/oklopol "so i hear these blogs are getting popular, people like writing about their lives and shit. on this thing called the internet which is like a neural network only really stupid." < 1459382317 151109 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :identity function/The identity function is a mockingbird. < 1459382317 151184 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/The 1 is just for disambiguation. < 1459382335 307459 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: he\\oren\. you invent things too? < 1459382385 598845 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I once used the loeb combinator to solve an "electric circuit" problem. the solution is quite neat ^^ < 1459382392 368904 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn `? is a blue tit < 1459382395 384766 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Relearned '`': `? is a blue tit < 1459382399 459390 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh < 1459382400 799082 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoops < 1459382402 109873 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh < 1459382404 324979 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no < 1459382406 492647 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did I do < 1459382417 719565 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh < 1459382418 823501 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fix it < 1459382419 807885 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone < 1459382441 639274 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :should I unlearn that? < 1459382472 661122 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello? < 1459382481 13180 :Lilly_Goodman!~canaima@186-26-129-36.dyn.movilnet.com.ve JOIN :#esoteric < 1459382510 899881 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert < 1459382524 607135 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rm: cannot remove `/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/env/.hg/store/data/canary.orig': Is a directory \ Done. < 1459382541 949851 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? `? < 1459382542 961079 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​`? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1459382565 938357 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ` < 1459382568 731301 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​` is the prefix to greatness. < 1459382573 486220 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :phew < 1459382606 692754 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: Here's an evil game idea < 1459382633 63435 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: There are two players running identical programs psedOSes < 1459382667 237156 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: The goal is to hack your enemy to the point that they're unable to play any further, and to continuously patch your computer to block incoming attacks < 1459382678 55861 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The code is badly-written and uncommented, and the docs are pretty poor < 1459382701 173923 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a monstrosity :) < 1459382711 423084 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yo have to edit their program to do stuff? < 1459382755 16753 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: And your own program < 1459382760 921157 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :and patch your own < 1459382764 447364 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :crazy < 1459382765 570189 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: It's constrained by simulated compile time < 1459382777 515036 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :but does it have to be simulated? < 1459382792 425064 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Every line you add is an extra 5 seconds before the changes take hold) < 1459382796 762672 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :do they have access to multiple programs? < 1459382800 867072 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: It does, if we want the computers to not die < 1459382803 372859 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: How so? < 1459382810 991345 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1459382817 944276 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: What do you mean "Multiple programs"? < 1459382834 473996 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could edit one program of the other's computer, then edit another program while they're trying to patch the one you edited first < 1459382856 677290 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: I think you might be able to < 1459382859 990689 :Lilly_Goodman!~canaima@186-26-129-36.dyn.movilnet.com.ve QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1459382892 7541 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about negative data < 1459382896 608805 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: There'd be "log::pt", which is a file documenting changes. You have to refresh it every so often. < 1459382905 102032 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: Oh, absolute value < 1459382912 948304 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Removing 10 lines is just as bad as adding 10 < 1459382923 504679 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It wouldn't be line-by-line though, it'd be a sort of "AST measurer" < 1459382934 992341 :Lilly_Goodman!~canaima@186-26-129-36.dyn.movilnet.com.ve JOIN :#esoteric < 1459383025 150246 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not actually simulate the program code in a sandbox environment? < 1459383037 641715 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: It would. < 1459383045 600619 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd be fun if each program had different languages < 1459383050 124010 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: YEEEEEEEEEEEEEES. < 1459383068 212002 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: We need to get on this < 1459383082 218153 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :we could even have some esoteric ones < 1459383101 407031 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: Yes, that was a plan < 1459383104 472769 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(as easter eggs) < 1459383111 699887 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think we should call it H4X1N470R-MP < 1459383121 690854 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, hacking programming languages < 1459383133 702746 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are lose conditions? < 1459383135 799565 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: Hacking programming languages? < 1459383142 888768 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: When you are no longer able to play < 1459383153 156684 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: Probably when all user input is disabled for the client < 1459383161 189082 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the user-proper < 1459383169 572995 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure how to test for that though... < 1459383205 310568 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1459383227 717761 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: I mean, I can think of one way (recursive AST scanning), but it'd be buggy < 1459383815 300656 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :suppose a program was defined solely by stating what it cannot do < 1459383926 204729 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :then an empty program can solve the halting problem < 1459383940 880273 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or might do something elsr < 1459383961 637874 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :an empty program is allowed to compile into any program whatsoever < 1459384011 988529 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1459384117 619424 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you have some formal language for specifying program behaviour in terms of logical statements, each of which is always required to be false. < 1459384224 521886 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :a normal language would be one specifying true statements < 1459384243 787522 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :right? < 1459384312 770669 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :not exactly but < 1459384623 979362 :Lilly_Goodman!~canaima@186-26-129-36.dyn.movilnet.com.ve QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1459384651 160015 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :HELLŒRJAN. < 1459384657 429413 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1459384842 918884 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boħily < 1459384921 295311 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :/ħ/ isn't a fun sound hth < 1459385077 882305 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459385163 882914 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1459385191 940862 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: it's quantum! < 1459385240 54739 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1459385249 275315 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :talking about logical problems < 1459385325 383883 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459385369 19688 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :talking about the logical problems that don't talk about themselves < 1459385403 905164 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1459385896 688547 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459386162 688748 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1459386550 944597 :jaboja!~jaboja@vps.jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1459386792 844542 :Lilly_Goodman!~canaima@186-26-129-36.dyn.movilnet.com.ve JOIN :#esoteric < 1459386937 16550 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this problem false? < 1459386947 924696 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :normal computer: CRASH < 1459386995 861088 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :quantum computer: There is a 60% chance that the problem is true, and a 39% chance it is false. < 1459387116 966869 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1459387146 333474 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a 1% chance that you're trying to crash me < 1459387212 411956 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: no. this is not problem false < 1459387252 675465 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the NLP module has learned to parse in the other way when the paradox arises < 1459387326 652917 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :will you say no to this question? < 1459387350 563609 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :normal computer: Fal--I mean tr--fa--tr < 1459387499 357468 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: do you even paradox bro? < 1459387499 521899 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: you want a high-quality fnord program in general. the general idea < 1459387516 986082 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: that is enlightening. tdh. < 1459387517 364099 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: this is an example from the wiki? looks suddenly sparse.) thanks for your answer. now you might have more luck rebinding space to enter when using the variable name < 1459387546 908665 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION rebinds the Sacrificial Space. “Fnord! Fnord! Fnord!”
< 1459387797 809982 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? fnord < 1459387802 626533 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1459387840 231523 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh. I thought we had a fnordwisdom in there. < 1459387846 764762 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1459387853 998563 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait. < 1459387869 306120 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION facepalms
< 1459387891 596781 :mihow!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1459387897 746997 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :THIS WENT BETTER THAN EXPECTED < 1459387954 783960 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :embarassingly so. < 1459387971 623931 :mihow!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459388361 182403 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1459388371 627816 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :bonnenuily? < 1459388406 562861 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bontopiasoir! < 1459388413 850884 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION sits down to watch the temporal antipode effect
< 1459388416 202564 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed. it's getting quite late, I say. < 1459388431 68408 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's quite convenient < 1459388436 533035 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can always know when he's going to bed < 1459388449 579308 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :temporal antipode? < 1459388451 736206 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's that < 1459388452 832967 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bonne nuitopia! < 1459388460 789437 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? quintopia < 1459388463 663763 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia is our resident tl;dr generator. He is flooded by thundercats and thunderdogs. He is the temporal antipode of boily despite living on the same continent. < 1459388480 742378 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :summer is only a few months away < 1459388489 848553 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :speak to me of summer ♪ < 1459388492 204652 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll go back in time 2 hours and overlap him a bit < 1459388498 504806 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: COMMITMENT CHICKEN < 1459388512 737931 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh I get it < 1459388520 484039 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1459388523 125557 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :temporal antipode? < 1459388528 969445 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :so opposite time? < 1459388532 831652 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1459388534 996603 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's nocturnal < 1459388535 575726 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :duh < 1459388551 806278 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though it's 2:42 am where I am < 1459388571 228386 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :which could be in africa < 1459388583 787659 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but is probably in britain < 1459388584 584021 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :or on mars < 1459388584 873854 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ds01-214-177.dynamic.mtsallstream.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1459388590 407634 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is rdococland? < 1459388594 337718 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could be in britain too < 1459388601 117919 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococland? < 1459388613 816151 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :good idea for a name to an esolang < 1459388646 455214 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but what real country would it be in < 1459388650 644577 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what city would it house < 1459388651 748911 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1459388654 128365 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :on mars < 1459388656 113220 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1459388671 128394 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :in magic yay world < 1459388677 815977 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :colorful < 1459388713 403884 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococulous < 1459388737 299576 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: is rdococ an AI or is there some other reason e's evading the question < 1459388737 429805 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: anmaster must see. < 1459388739 136424 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know it sounds duckoo but it's troo < 1459388755 139811 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: fungot says you must see this hth < 1459388755 299300 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: and no, that would explain why the video output isn't working properly < 1459388776 612406 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: am I an AI? < 1459388776 903284 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: sorry, didn't read properly. a question of whether the loop was loopzored", i wouldn't expect car and cdr returned copies, hmph. < 1459388801 664241 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: I said, am I an AI emulating a human brain? < 1459388801 994934 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: i like to use _, then __, then ___, et cetera; and no record type descriptor operations such as vector-ref vector-set!. < 1459388807 591589 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1459388808 974118 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what country do you currently reside, person currently to emself as rdococ? < 1459388817 167581 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococland < 1459388843 128028 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I told you, I reside in an esolang < 1459388850 565352 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll just pretend you live in the same country as the server you are connected to for ease < 1459388863 281705 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :what server am I connected to < 1459388873 65736 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :adams (budapest) < 1459388888 472797 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: shouldn't that be an esoland, really < 1459388893 954034 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: lol < 1459388898 721297 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :speak to me of esolangs < 1459388916 573074 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :see? I'm not from britain at all. I'm from rdococland. < 1459388925 783109 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :the esoland < 1459388940 514814 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@time rdococ < 1459388941 73056 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is located in budapest < 1459388952 716604 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmph < 1459388954 339095 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is? < 1459388957 707218 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it was on mars < 1459388980 390992 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, there are still a few bugs in me < 1459388988 455687 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, on mars you find london and o'wobble. that's what i recall from Blackadder, anyway. < 1459388999 161396 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1459389015 516122 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it may have been the very last downer episode < 1459389030 68771 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :he tries to get himself certified insane < 1459389047 904268 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :by claiming he's from mars < 1459389072 548594 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :alas, his superior is too smart/stupid < 1459389102 653154 :Lilly_Goodman!~canaima@186-26-129-36.dyn.movilnet.com.ve QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1459389173 459834 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :Note: people with cloaks will be treated as if they're from Budapest | The international hub of esoteric programming language and font design | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D | The kitten typesetting channel < 1459389179 272315 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: is your palmaris longus present/discernible? < 1459389207 149041 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ironically, b_jonas doesn't have a cloak < 1459389222 723011 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1459389223 418599 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird < 1459389283 124079 :Lilly_Goodman!~canaima@186-26-129-36.dyn.movilnet.com.ve JOIN :#esoteric < 1459389303 953765 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: is it that big vertical one on the wikipedia picture? if so, yes < 1459389335 569044 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://twitter.com/johnregehr/status/715089198819241984 < 1459389342 792234 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i flex my hand just right, anyway < 1459389446 613330 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :right on < 1459390478 974301 :Lilly_Goodman!~canaima@186-26-129-36.dyn.movilnet.com.ve PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOla necesito una mega ayuda < 1459390517 60309 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lilly_Goodman: nosotros no ayudamos en espanol < 1459390563 802453 :Lilly_Goodman!~canaima@186-26-129-36.dyn.movilnet.com.ve PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia es que quiero saber como decir la hora en ingles < 1459390591 594246 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :the time < 1459390653 588465 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :google translate < 1459390674 303970 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :tu eres en el canal incorrecto, sabes? < 1459390755 644427 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bienvenido Lilly_Goodman < 1459390764 298721 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that not work < 1459390770 845677 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : ` < 1459390785 754924 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: we've tried long ago < 1459390804 31298 :Lilly_Goodman!~canaima@186-26-129-36.dyn.movilnet.com.ve PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia quiero decir en ingles... son las nueve y media < 1459390809 571272 :Lilly_Goodman!~canaima@186-26-129-36.dyn.movilnet.com.ve PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia gracias < 1459390895 412712 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lilly_Goodman: ir a un canal de habla espanola por favor < 1459390991 14552 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it is nowhere near 9:30 here < 1459391039 444936 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ir a what < 1459391100 976462 :Lilly_Goodman!~canaima@186-26-129-36.dyn.movilnet.com.ve QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1459391174 861825 :Kaynato!~Aedile@cpe-173-88-230-28.neo.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1459391347 371677 :Lilly_Goodman!~canaima@186-26-129-36.dyn.movilnet.com.ve JOIN :#esoteric < 1459391461 21697 :Lilly_Goodman!~canaima@186-26-129-36.dyn.movilnet.com.ve PRIVMSG #esoteric :hola alguien me ayuda a decir que son las nueve y media... en ingles??????????? < 1459391610 24880 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :hola a what < 1459391618 692223 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric +o :oerjan > 1459391618 790038 NAMES :#esoteric < 1459391639 644973 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :+oerjan < 1459391676 6754 :Lilly_Goodman!~canaima@186-26-129-36.dyn.movilnet.com.ve PRIVMSG #esoteric :ayuda < 1459391684 142228 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no MODE #esoteric +b :*!*canaima@*.dyn.movilnet.com.ve > 1459391684 149881 NAMES :#esoteric < 1459391684 272577 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no KICK #esoteric Lilly_Goodman :Tomar una pista < 1459391706 502338 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no MODE #esoteric -o :oerjan > 1459391706 511103 NAMES :#esoteric < 1459391736 187792 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :rude < 1459391744 191989 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: she(?)'s been refusing to take a hint for over a week < 1459391809 789782 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't make it less rude < 1459391838 20488 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :-.- < 1459391847 718260 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :why so many non english stuff < 1459391853 428156 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you're referring to "Tomar una pista" which i have no idea what means except it's what G.T. gives for "take a hint" < 1459391876 416949 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i meant the ban < 1459391884 432000 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :my brssim of dddipr rexhsaiuxzsted < 1459391920 803997 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: i've been tempted for a week. she _refuses_ to speak in english, or to go anywhere people can understand her. < 1459391946 667246 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :does she speak C? < 1459391947 286665 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well, she apparently doesn't know english well enough.) < 1459391957 697622 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :or Prolog? < 1459391988 376294 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :?- pun(programmingLanguage, linguisticLanguage) < 1459391988 507070 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you meant: v @ ? . < 1459391998 704112 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, those who _have_ tried to speak in spanish (mostly with G.T. which is horrible) have not been able to get any indication she's interested in our actual channel _topics_. < 1459392019 157219 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :does she even know what this channel is about? < 1459392056 371091 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: well she's seen our `bienvenido message in spanish. i'm not sure she's at the point where she understands what it means. < 1459392112 284184 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha "people with cloaks will be treated as if they're from Budapest" < 1459392133 621233 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: sounds like she uses google translate < 1459392200 9323 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: she's either a strange troll or too maladapted for us to handle. i'm not sure. < 1459392217 92000 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: are you saying her spanish isn't right? < 1459392233 846167 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking she's faking it to be honest < 1459392248 62501 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :since she didn't get the bienvenido message < 1459392253 859252 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: she hails from a venezuelan ip so it seemed logical it is her native language. < 1459392263 835274 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :k < 1459392290 1334 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: could be though. however i meant "didn't get" as in pays no attention to it, as if she doesn't know what programming means. < 1459392309 564257 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1459392310 542397 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1459392317 108843 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? rdococ < 1459392319 720921 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :RDOCOCLIKESTOMAKELANGUAGESLIKETHIS < 1459392332 907629 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn rdococ Apparently from Budapest, but probably not. < 1459392338 625443 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Relearned 'rdococ': rdococ Apparently from Budapest, but probably not. < 1459392357 203840 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn rdococ is apparently from Budapest, but probably not. < 1459392359 444963 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Relearned 'rdococ': rdococ is apparently from Budapest, but probably not. < 1459392395 105606 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1459392405 285174 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a programming paradigm that has not been done yet < 1459392420 372832 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh what about < 1459392423 4664 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :program-oriented < 1459392437 433758 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :PrOgram-Oriented < 1459392477 958493 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :paradigm-oriented, clearly. < 1459392487 904752 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(unless Oz is that) < 1459392490 857882 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :how would that even work < 1459392494 434109 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno < 1459392569 258024 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: also, she said she had been banned from #canaima-social(?) so she's presumably grating even to those who _do_ understand her. < 1459392590 337020 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've been banned from a dozen channels < 1459392602 496416 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I have been banned from a few < 1459392607 813547 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_> < 1459392612 157406 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY < 1459392619 495822 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :whut < 1459392688 752347 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i get it, getting banned is no proof of anythin (except maybe that you're weird but we all are here.) < 1459392692 7250 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*+g < 1459392746 595564 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or that they're shit channels. < 1459392831 54948 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :defocus is a shit channel? < 1459392843 217997 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :THOSE WERE ALTERNATIVES < 1459392860 612066 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my god -.- < 1459392866 733551 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm weird? < 1459392871 964718 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION perhaps shouldn't do joke shouting at this point
< 1459392881 16101 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: like a platypus hth < 1459392893 550743 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? I knew you weren't really angry < 1459392904 178839 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :good, good < 1459392913 783687 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUT I'M WEIRD? < 1459392919 675210 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay! < 1459392963 161096 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION yawns
< 1459392963 576000 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yw < 1459393011 832971 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Rdococ14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46701&oldid=46670 5* 03Rdococ 5* (+14) 10yay added BASICER to my list < 1459393066 221851 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you think of BASICER? < 1459393090 277848 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459393203 427616 :lambda-11235!~lambda-11@47-208-113-50.erkacmtk03.res.dyn.suddenlink.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459393395 257868 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1459393411 824021 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-aqhczjtrahvjuufz QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1459393421 834348 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the idea of a bas icer. Is that like a cake decorator who only does single layer cakes? < 1459393461 735826 :Kaynato!~Aedile@cpe-173-88-230-28.neo.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: I am curious, what paradigm is Daoyu < 1459393464 309604 :heroux!~heroux@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-lafonrljumtrwrou JOIN :#esoteric < 1459393541 352507 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :kaynato: dunno < 1459393551 724508 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :proof: no, basicer < 1459393559 141178 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :prooftechnique: my esolang < 1459393577 894393 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know, I was making a very oblique joke < 1459393588 145727 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*hth < 1459393604 812747 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha ha < 1459393606 986640 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :base icer < 1459393624 663628 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking like bas relief, but yeah, the principle is the same < 1459393672 770374 :Kaynato!~Aedile@cpe-173-88-230-28.neo.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have I gotten a chance to show you the language I have made? < 1459393684 794652 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is it? < 1459393695 855466 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :BASRELIEF, the language you go to when you're just too fed up with BASIC < 1459393742 582613 :Kaynato!~Aedile@cpe-173-88-230-28.neo.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Daoyu: https://esolangs.org/wiki/Daoyu < 1459393752 10423 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to think of a way to implement conditionals with only GOTO just to make BASICER complete :D < 1459393768 272888 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :prooftechnique: computed goto? < 1459393809 968821 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think BASICER's goto can do that. < 1459393811 671879 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :GOTO 100*(a>b)+200 < 1459393813 945963 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1459393850 125362 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459393883 40613 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :wut < 1459393898 431630 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess they kind of already exist, if you take the user as an oracle < 1459393921 950986 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are no variables, how do you expect conditionals < 1459393928 569644 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :arthur-merlin model, with the user as merlin < 1459394036 734182 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*protocol < 1459394063 74947 :Kaynato!~Aedile@cpe-173-88-230-28.neo.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@rdococ: is there a possibility you can help me with some C memory problems? < 1459394063 205230 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1459394078 72206 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are you asking me < 1459394109 250649 :Kaynato!~Aedile@cpe-173-88-230-28.neo.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You seem to be an experienced authority figure < 1459394116 87892 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do? < 1459394128 200759 :Kaynato!~Aedile@cpe-173-88-230-28.neo.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I...suppose? < 1459394141 744246 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric ::s < 1459394174 355365 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I'm about to fall asleep, and I don't know all that much, ask someone else < 1459394210 885401 :Kaynato!~Aedile@cpe-173-88-230-28.neo.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alright, thanks < 1459394213 834838 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :but thanks for the compliment < 1459394251 11441 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :channel.Sleep(awkward silence) < 1459394255 880312 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*chirp* < 1459394338 738524 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure there's some authority on C here. < 1459394348 743395 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, there are IOCCC winners here. < 1459394366 212594 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this may or may not help in this case. < 1459394378 847835 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION pokes tromp_ and Gregor
< 1459394395 350970 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the latter only out of principle) < 1459394428 182458 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and i'm not sure the former appreciates it either) < 1459394436 400387 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION snores loudly
< 1459394452 391323 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most surprisingly portable is a great honor < 1459394696 688118 :shikhin!shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1459394724 397307 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1459394745 343659 :sewilton!sid32560@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mjhqecridzzcuwib QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1459394863 332240 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1459394863 332391 :fractal!~fractal@unaffiliated/scounder QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1459394863 332417 :dingbat!uid70835@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-cxmfuxayfqncsder QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1459394934 336464 :incomprehensibly!sid3405@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nutkghybupupouto QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1459395123 331745 :jameseb!~jameseb_@runciman.hacksoc.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1459395123 331890 :nitrix!~nitrix@unaffiliated/nitrix QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1459395123 331906 :glogbot!dlopen@libdl.so QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds > 1459395129 707692 JOIN :#esoteric > 1459395133 763100 JOIN :#esoteric > 1459395134 270312 JOIN :#esoteric > 1459395189 796284 JOIN :#esoteric > 1459395193 859740 JOIN :#esoteric > 1459395194 366005 JOIN :#esoteric > 1459395249 794995 JOIN :#esoteric < 1459395251 416891 :glogbot!dlopen@libdl.so JOIN :#esoteric > 1459395253 850787 JOIN :#esoteric > 1459395254 356986 JOIN :#esoteric < 1459395296 470278 :sewilton_!sid32560@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-pitekloviaijlfkh NICK :sewilton < 1459395327 53923 :dingbat_!uid70835@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-udlzolypdqbdkpbm NICK :dingbat < 1459395334 723681 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT : < 1459395373 888627 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ack < 1459395376 287786 :nitrix-!~nitrix@104.236.108.9 QUIT :Changing host < 1459395376 450511 :nitrix-!~nitrix@unaffiliated/nitrix JOIN :#esoteric < 1459395380 595436 :nitrix-!~nitrix@unaffiliated/nitrix NICK :nitrix < 1459395391 203865 :incomprehensibly!sid3405@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qclsparchxhzanjy JOIN :#esoteric < 1459395472 85773 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459395545 240056 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1459395593 161705 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459396055 503010 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Kc kennylau 5* 10New user account < 1459396066 891063 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07///14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46702&oldid=40418 5* 03Kc kennylau 5* (+4) 10/* Binary to unary conversion */ < 1459396879 994824 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Binary to unary conversion14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=46703 5* 03Kc kennylau 5* (+1729) 10Created page with "A '''binary to unary conversion''' program is a program that can convert a given number in binary form to a unary form. It is mainly used to showcase [[Markov algorithm]] ([ht..." < 1459396881 220706 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Retina14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46704&oldid=45838 5* 03Kc kennylau 5* (+110) 10 < 1459396919 81002 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Binary to unary conversion14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46705&oldid=46703 5* 03Kc kennylau 5* (+28) 10 < 1459396977 364726 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Binary to unary conversion14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46706&oldid=46705 5* 03Kc kennylau 5* (+92) 10/* Retina */ < 1459396997 821782 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Retina14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46707&oldid=46704 5* 03Kc kennylau 5* (+103) 10 < 1459397223 52662 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1459398513 899941 :Kaynato!~Aedile@cpe-173-88-230-28.neo.res.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1459398755 806563 :mihow!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1459399620 455800 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell hppavilion[1] http://dl.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=96559.96570 has &lgr; for some reason. I have no clue what that entity means <-- it's a lambda hth < 1459399620 656454 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1459399866 232517 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell rdococ so there is no turing complete machine with only one register? <-- fractran. < 1459399866 395231 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1459400478 651506 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1459400628 394161 :fractal!~fractal@unaffiliated/scounder JOIN :#esoteric < 1459400672 418243 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459400962 683100 :lambda-11235!~lambda-11@47-208-113-50.erkacmtk03.res.dyn.suddenlink.net QUIT :Quit: Bye < 1459401794 414954 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1459401829 666915 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://api.left-pad.io/?str=test&len=12&ch=%22 < 1459401835 983076 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it got fixed :-D < 1459402349 837902 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, that's clearly a semver violation, they should put a version number somewhere. I suggest in the domain name just after .io < 1459402378 561508 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it a semver violation if you don't /have/ a version number? < 1459402627 259430 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it a semver violation if you use one of the noncompliant examples from the spec? < 1459402639 921348 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: api.0.1.left-pad.io < 1459402647 571438 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :note that it is for the version 1.0 < 1459405201 712299 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459405348 616021 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459405587 701047 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1459405645 389482 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1459406402 282774 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459406745 207037 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1459407117 265827 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu JOIN :#esoteric < 1459412509 597174 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-5-127.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1459413728 8510 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459414053 893902 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1459414182 513607 :Effilry!~firefly@oftn/oswg-member/FireFly NICK :FireFly < 1459414805 575840 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1459415711 897725 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :brilliant! the ziped multiple html download of the POSIX spec from opengroup.org is so posixy it has two filenames that are equal case insensitively (_exit.html and _Exit.html) so you can't extract all of it on non-unixy file systems. < 1459416426 721965 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: they may very well have the same contents, too < 1459416444 73788 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/009695399/functions/exit.html describes those and exit < 1459416554 122615 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`fetch http://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/009695399/functions/_exit.html < 1459416601 381431 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2016-03-31 09:29:34 URL:http://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/009695399/functions/_exit.html [25309/25309] -> "_exit.html" [1] < 1459416601 544459 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION emulates fred astaire
< 1459416605 914325 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`fetch http://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/009695399/functions/_Exit.html < 1459416608 906444 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2016-03-31 09:29:49 URL:http://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/009695399/functions/_Exit.html [25309/25309] -> "_Exit.html" [1] < 1459416624 114245 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` diff _?xit.html < 1459416636 234952 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1459416639 948891 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` diff _?xit.html < 1459416642 707033 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1459416649 603929 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: yep < 1459416661 301186 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` rm -v _?xit.html < 1459416663 387373 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :removed `_exit.html' \ removed `_Exit.html' < 1459416960 980806 :jaboja!~jaboja@vps.jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1459417313 991246 :jaboja!~jaboja@vps.jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1459418434 51306 :jaboja!~jaboja@vps.jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1459418787 915203 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION thinks today's mezzacotta comic is strangely coherent.
< 1459418954 427397 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would recommend it to fungot, but e's not heeeeeeeeeeeeeAAAAA < 1459419979 968991 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mezzacotta? < 1459420131 109245 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.mezzacotta.net/ < 1459420712 891670 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Later < 1459421047 607525 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459421175 669972 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1459421386 392338 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1459421471 885150 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't look that impressive < 1459422262 340535 :jaboja!~jaboja@vps.jaboja.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1459422736 213937 :dingbat!uid70835@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-udlzolypdqbdkpbm QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1459423216 69824 :^v!~v^@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1459423320 729057 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: ALMOST CHICKEN < 1459423370 190194 :^v!~v^@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459423371 52978 :Deewiant!~deewiant@de1.ut.deewiant.iki.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1459423408 826681 :Deewiant!~deewiant@de1.ut.deewiant.iki.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1459424792 286811 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Midnightas 5* 10New user account < 1459425128 314869 :Reece`!~nothing@cpc4-wiga13-2-0-cust799.18-3.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459425371 281654 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Pylongolf14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=46708 5* 03Midnightas 5* (+451) 10Created page with "= Pylongolf = Pylongolf is a simple stack-based language created by [http://midnightasgames.ga MidnightasGames]. == Adding to stack == Adding to the stack works differently t..." < 1459425385 74656 :jameseb-!~jameseb_@runciman.hacksoc.org NICK :jameseb < 1459425922 4444 :augur_!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1459425942 975500 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459426987 597019 :ak48!~nodebot@amaterasu.macs.hw.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1459427090 325135 :ak48!~nodebot@amaterasu.macs.hw.ac.uk QUIT :Quit: node-irc says goodbye < 1459427161 573222 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1459427365 61950 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@2a02:1811:d22:cc00:1402:686:8b4e:4b57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1459428003 861991 :^v!~v^@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1459428017 420797 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1459428055 50928 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459428063 701369 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1459428106 248072 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459428373 53604 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459428417 565682 :^v!~v^@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459428697 45863 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1459429774 339035 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :am I the only one who didn't make a brain**** derivative when I first joined? < 1459431329 906009 :Guest6809!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1459431679 489 :p34k!~p34k@nat-wh-wz4-12.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1459432121 818604 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1459432133 91715 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't do it either < 1459432248 423404 :lambda-11235!~lambda-11@47.208.113.50 JOIN :#esoteric < 1459432292 322594 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: I still have to resist it VERY hard, because there's a good one I know but I want to make sure it's never made. I'll have to figure out how to do it elegantly without brainfuck, but I haven't yet. < 1459432383 753007 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll probably have to adapt it to underload if possible. < 1459433074 313362 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: I have not made any esolangs, yet :v < 1459433194 28387 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you made... any prooving technique < 1459433502 34414 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only technique you need is "trust me" :D < 1459433936 320996 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, the jedi trick? < 1459433957 38247 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :prooftechnique: but what do you do with those users who are immune to mind tricks? < 1459433988 408514 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet we have some of those on this channel < 1459434042 435895 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you just invoke descent theory and everyone gives up < 1459434555 510655 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Evil14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46709&oldid=30837 5* 03Kc kennylau 5* (+165) 10 < 1459434924 145663 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Question. On windows 10, how do I configure the system to not turn off the monitor so quickly when on the lock screen? < 1459434935 928702 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Evil14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46710&oldid=46709 5* 03Kc kennylau 5* (+105) 10/* 0 to 255 using only a, e, u, z (To be completed) */ < 1459434975 455771 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-5-127.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1459435006 772840 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried to change the "Power Options" in control panel, but that only lets me change how quickly the monitor turns off when the login isn't locked. < 1459435141 428682 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, I see < 1459435166 224958 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried a google search, and I found some webpages mentioning strange registry entries. < 1459435188 652394 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although most of them are about Windows 8 and they don't seem directly applicable. < 1459435341 238309 :spiette!~spiette@x-132-204-251-254.xtpr.umontreal.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1459435366 460264 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also found another webpage with a different solution that might work: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/2835052 < 1459435412 376471 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1459435515 184722 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have trouble trying to turn up the brightness on my monitor < 1459435526 906159 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :no matter what setting I set, it always looks the same < 1459435696 20392 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459435801 676975 :lambda-11235!~lambda-11@47.208.113.50 QUIT :Quit: Bye < 1459436074 54791 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1459436222 261946 :bender|!benderpc@2404:e800:e61a:41d:91fc:c366:1b68:890b JOIN :#esoteric < 1459436680 88049 :Kaynato!~Aedile@casewireless03.CWRU.Edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1459436813 411115 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a number system where 1/0 = infinity? < 1459436861 34528 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@2a02:1811:d22:cc00:1402:686:8b4e:4b57 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1459436996 859749 :jameseb!~jameseb_@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: not if you want the field axioms to be satisfied, I think < 1459437187 260376 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1459437232 912883 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :(x/y)*y = x < 1459437234 729304 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1459437242 452878 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :(x/0)*0 = x < 1459437255 420524 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :x/y = x * (1/y) < 1459437264 297239 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :that means x/0 = x * (1/0) < 1459437282 814083 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, there will have to be multiple infinities < 1459437443 754285 :Reece`!~nothing@cpc4-wiga13-2-0-cust799.18-3.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1459437752 743446 :^v!~v^@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1459437796 426531 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always wondered why people keep talking about pi < 1459437802 893879 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer the square root of 2 < 1459437817 445198 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is the everything number < 1459437876 771589 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :or i < 1459437881 938871 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's the number of my dreams < 1459437941 981669 :^v!~v^@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459438324 248976 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to make a mathematical system which doesn't calculate things normally so I can do square root of -1 without adding a special case < 1459438405 224989 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :which I could do < 1459438414 642923 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :in string substitution < 1459438433 977123 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :sqrt ($x * $x) = $x < 1459438457 360420 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :sqrt($x) * sqrt($x) = $x < 1459438460 559359 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think < 1459438546 503316 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1459438554 231200 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :how would I make a super-turing complete programming language < 1459438779 880066 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :adding an oracle is the standard way of doing that < 1459438815 362117 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :if f(x) does not terminate then ... < 1459438851 975735 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :but can we break that does not terminate super-complete instruction into smaller ones? < 1459438886 602863 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example, are there other problems that turing complete machines can't solve? < 1459438964 791542 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, most subsets of the natural numbers are uncomputable... so yes. < 1459438971 557365 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :The tricky bit is to define one. < 1459439015 425230 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1459439018 559410 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :the issue is < 1459439030 718030 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :in any system that sounds logical < 1459439124 305628 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would an oracle for the n-th digit of the halting probability (for, say, binary lambda calculus) solve the halting problem... I'm afraid it does? < 1459439324 127423 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1459439371 390356 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do we divide the halting problem into smaller instructions? basically, a super turing complete language where you need more than one instruction to solve the problem < 1459439510 418076 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :infact, why not just specify that it computes everything in a finite time < 1459439515 854037 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it's super-turing complete < 1459439636 49583 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"everything" < 1459439769 290971 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1459439791 647431 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :programs that don't halt halt anyway < 1459439798 473235 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is actually hoping for a concrete definition of an oracle that's not computable but cannot solve the halting problem for TMs.
< 1459439813 860411 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders what an oracle is
< 1459439843 600440 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :an external entity that answers interesting questions. < 1459439888 62176 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you sure that the halting problem is even well defined? < 1459439974 24507 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're used in computability theory and also in complexity theory. For example a SAT oracle would take a boolean formula and immediately say whether it's satisfiable or not. So people talk about complexities relative to an oracle... P^{NP} would contain problems that can be solved in polynomial time and a polynomial number of queries to an NP oracle (which you can think of as a SAT oracle... < 1459439980 103980 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :...because SAT is NP-complete). < 1459440016 596004 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: yes, it is well-defined for Turing machines. < 1459440029 993408 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm < 1459440055 420406 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, turing complete machines can solve it for finite state machines < 1459440191 799623 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :the "if f(x) halts" construct is not well-defined if you allow recursion, due to its circularity... f := loop while f halts. < 1459440219 42965 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't understand this. In the rust standard library, why is std::process::Command.spawn not an unsafe function, when it starts a process with an arbitrary executable and so can indirectly cause arbitrary memory access on your process too. < 1459440264 675627 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :now who would do such things... :P < 1459440301 162026 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, what distinguishes the spawned processes from any other processes that are already running on the system? < 1459440315 692114 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :by that reasoning, all code is unsafe. < 1459440337 12713 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which is quite close to the truth, but not a useful distinction to make... lacking the distinction) < 1459440356 554531 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: sure, if you run unsafe code _once_, and it's not actually safe, then you can get undefined behavior _later_. < 1459440372 834841 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the point is that running only safe code shouldn't be able to do thtat < 1459440384 52988 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: note that I don't know what kind of safety Rust is trying to model < 1459440394 968498 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so opening files or starting processes should count as unsafe < 1459440402 994142 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: that is described in the rust book and manuals < 1459440407 750276 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION doesn't even know this with complete certainty for Haskell... where he's a bit of an expert.
< 1459440407 913336 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the safety model that is < 1459440433 276832 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, haskell is sort of different < 1459440495 855914 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :function f() { while f halts { } } < 1459440500 662978 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :does the function halt? < 1459440506 803355 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :the function halts if it does not halt < 1459440514 561449 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I was merely trying to clarify that I was voicing an opinion not based on fact but at best on common sense. < 1459440545 291049 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1459440548 486184 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what about this < 1459440549 259688 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: I think I just wrote that, with slightly different syntaxc < 1459440550 522668 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :x < 1459440566 598261 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :make evaluation not go through the whole thing, but just one step - for example < 1459440581 120477 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :evaluate((3 + 2) + 1) = 5 + 1 < 1459440583 391991 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :not 6 < 1459440613 968206 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1459440652 49921 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :pairs of functions that cancel each other < 1459440666 993643 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :successor(predecessor(x)) = predecessor(successor(x)) = x < 1459440682 875424 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :sqrt(x^2) = sqrt(x)^2 = x < 1459440719 454328 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :sqrt(x^2) = |x| < 1459440746 220615 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :sqrt(-1^2) = 1 < 1459440747 105601 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1459440760 67267 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> -1^2 < 1459440761 546467 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : -1 < 1459440768 166381 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (-1)^2 < 1459440769 713503 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1 < 1459440826 84968 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :x * sqrt(y) = sqrt((x^2) * y) < 1459440829 398297 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :right? < 1459440836 954069 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :if x >= 0 < 1459440842 937614 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1459440869 610126 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or y = 0) < 1459440877 789016 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it works if y < 0? < 1459440889 571396 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-5-127.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1459440898 197135 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 * sqrt(-1) = sqrt((1^2) * -1) < 1459440910 559241 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it gets messy if you allow complex numbers < 1459440958 910909 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :we could make a computer system that treats impossible numbers as if they were normal - basically a way to check if expressions evaluate to the same value without evaluating them < 1459440977 64335 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb < 1459441089 637361 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because of branches... and arbkitrary choices for "principal values". (The same is true for real numbers, but there the mess can be reduced to just discussing signs.) < 1459441090 772537 :bender|!benderpc@2404:e800:e61a:41d:91fc:c366:1b68:890b QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1459441110 249116 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? arbkitrary < 1459441143 125732 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :arbkitrary? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1459441405 234316 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, are you arbkitary? < 1459441628 61527 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :i^2 = j^2 = k^2 means i = j??? < 1459441631 872718 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric := k??? < 1459441650 386824 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1459441679 423545 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: are you looking at quaternions? < 1459441716 468086 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe < 1459441728 672526 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it breaks rules I find comfortable < 1459441748 32264 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: it's no different than 1^2 = (-1)^2 < 1459441760 509350 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1459441761 432596 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1459441763 729257 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes sense < 1459441777 883635 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: if so, note that multiplication there isn't even commutative, so (i-j)(i+j) = i^2 + ij - ji - j^2 != i^2 - j^2... so i^2 = j^2 does not even imply i = j or i = -j. < 1459441820 555430 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but the distributive laws continue to hold) < 1459441968 96835 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in fact, i^2 + ij - ji - j^2 = 2k whereas i^2 - j^2 = 0) < 1459442480 218437 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :urgh slow compiling < 1459442521 344866 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1459442568 221587 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :c++ seems to compile mmuch slower than an equivalent loc of c < 1459442605 989764 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1459442612 419470 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does < 1459442616 898630 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder how D and rust compare < 1459442629 213063 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++ needs to do semantic analysis during the parisng < 1459442631 174758 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :*parsing < 1459442644 454229 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and expand templates during compilation < 1459442648 772097 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's C, D, is there E? < 1459442656 554189 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: you know there are compiler options to modify how quickly you compile, and in particular with gcc, -O (same as -O1) is great for improving compilation speed compared to -O2 (which does more optimizations) < 1459442661 48185 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :right? < 1459442661 377607 :Kaynato!~Aedile@casewireless03.CWRU.Edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could I ask for some c help? < 1459442665 849505 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kaynato: you can try ;) < 1459442672 976611 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know there's F, perhaps G, idk about H or I, there is J, idk about K...well yet anyway < 1459442684 272777 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, don't use ancient versions of compilers, because some of those really are slow < 1459442691 440932 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ < 1459442702 442944 :Kaynato!~Aedile@casewireless03.CWRU.Edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, my program is crashing unexpectedly on typical input only of one sort < 1459442714 67734 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: there are languages for every ascii letter, probably more than one language for half of them < 1459442715 75190 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's Lazy K. < 1459442718 305799 :Kaynato!~Aedile@casewireless03.CWRU.Edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I alter the input with inconsequential anything, it doesn't crash < 1459442724 80913 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1459442728 200875 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about Unicode letters < 1459442729 619854 :Kaynato!~Aedile@casewireless03.CWRU.Edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I put it in gdb, it doesn't crash < 1459442736 620562 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: and there is a quite famous apl-like called K, and there was some crazy language called E somewhere < 1459442739 194428 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kaynato: you have undefined behaviour somewhere, probably < 1459442750 345883 :Kaynato!~Aedile@casewireless03.CWRU.Edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes it just crashes < 1459442754 711310 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kaynato: start by turning off optimizations < 1459442756 419166 :Kaynato!~Aedile@casewireless03.CWRU.Edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Other times calloc doesn't want to allocate 4 bytes < 1459442765 540459 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly run with ubsan < 1459442767 371812 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :uninitialized varriables? < 1459442767 805171 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :or valgrind < 1459442780 809491 :Kaynato!~Aedile@casewireless03.CWRU.Edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Optimizations are off, I am compiling for gdb < 1459442815 617744 :Kaynato!~Aedile@casewireless03.CWRU.Edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :All variables areinitialized < 1459442832 60114 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :use valgrind or ubsan < 1459442864 125550 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1459442865 948264 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about this < 1459442866 873306 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :© < 1459442870 974214 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also check for division by zero < 1459442875 136964 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :circle with a c in it < 1459442894 431589 :Kaynato!~Aedile@casewireless03.CWRU.Edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am using windows < 1459442919 84883 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: it's the name of a programming language specialized for use in the entertainment industry < 1459442944 310099 :Kaynato!~Aedile@casewireless03.CWRU.Edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can I run valgrind on windows? < 1459442954 440924 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt it < 1459442956 841695 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1459442958 642492 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if you could, it only runs Linux binaries < 1459442959 298085 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ubsan should work though < 1459442969 665573 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :msan is Valgrind-like and probably works on Windows < 1459442983 641232 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and msan and ubsan complement each other, they catch different classes of bugs) < 1459442985 851366 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which compiler are you using? < 1459442996 993259 :Kaynato!~Aedile@casewireless03.CWRU.Edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :gcc < 1459443004 139563 :Kaynato!~Aedile@casewireless03.CWRU.Edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, chrome's crashed < 1459443066 927529 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :at some point you should start ruling out hardware problems, not sure whether you've reached it yet < 1459443095 966538 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459443118 377551 :dingbat!uid70835@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rbjfltvdshrdicxa JOIN :#esoteric < 1459443144 686471 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch... faulty RAM sucks < 1459443153 592290 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's hard to debug < 1459443182 893417 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but chrome crashing doesn't mean that much) < 1459443204 767213 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kaynato: check if maybe your system's memory use is so high that programs run out of memory. < 1459443215 137933 :Kaynato!~Aedile@casewireless03.CWRU.Edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is not < 1459443224 458848 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not the most likely of causes... and it tends to produce intermittend rather than reproducible errors anyway < 1459443229 940340 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or if the program you're running is allocating too much memory which is how it runs out. < 1459443232 625607 :Kaynato!~Aedile@casewireless03.CWRU.Edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I can run this and have it allocate even a few mb < 1459443234 623970 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: yep < 1459443240 212025 :Kaynato!~Aedile@casewireless03.CWRU.Edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just on this specific program that calloc fails for some reason < 1459443243 777690 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :intermittent < 1459443279 328088 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kaynato: usually that's just a memory corruption bug elsewhere in the program, eg. indexing past an array or using a stale or uninitialized pointer < 1459443304 195333 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :like a pointer to a freed object < 1459443353 944315 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1459443360 744981 :Kaynato!~Aedile@casewireless03.CWRU.Edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's really strange, I'm using really simple code and it causes this, while complex code doesn't < 1459443372 82687 :Kaynato!~Aedile@casewireless03.CWRU.Edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll make a simpler example to see if the error is triggered < 1459443401 668129 :Kaynato!~Aedile@casewireless03.CWRU.Edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, so I can run the output file just fine < 1459443412 699448 :Kaynato!~Aedile@casewireless03.CWRU.Edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But on the default of compile-interpret, it breaks < 1459443538 562416 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-76.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1459443555 604918 :mihow!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459443666 259246 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like you have a memory corruption bug somewhere < 1459443679 398561 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1459443706 919597 :Kaynato!~Aedile@casewireless03.CWRU.Edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do I run ubsan? < 1459444029 104159 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kaynato: try -fsanitize=address -fsanitize=undefined when compiling with gcc (you'll need a recent version of gcc) < 1459444043 437251 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that'll turn on asan (which I called msan earlier due to misremembering the name) and ubsan < 1459444087 92517 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then run your proram as normal < 1459444166 272074 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if this works on Windows yet; hopefully it does though < 1459444219 71708 :Kaynato!~Aedile@casewireless03.CWRU.Edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1459444232 229731 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, Kaynato probably didn't see my reply :-( < 1459444239 868792 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1459444253 330994 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I were to make an infinity, it would be a neutral number like 0 < 1459444261 582251 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, if you call it a number < 1459444294 951847 :Kaynato!~Aedile@casewireless03.CWRU.Edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1459444355 400303 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Kaynato: try -fsanitize=address -fsanitize=undefined when compiling with then run your proram as normal gcc (you'll need a recent version of gcc) that'll turn on asan (which I called msan earlier due to misremembering the name) and ubsan I'm not sure if this works on Windows yet; hopefully it does though < 1459444399 707349 :lambda-11235!~lambda-11@24.156.46.20 JOIN :#esoteric < 1459444407 297523 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :infinity is basically the 0 that's 1/0 < 1459444420 755087 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :infinity is like a second 0 < 1459444464 824083 :Kaynato!~Aedile@casewireless03.CWRU.Edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Projective number line? < 1459444470 195372 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I heard of this projective circle thing that goes from 0 -> 1 -> 2 -> 3 -> infinity -> -3 -> -2 -> -1 -> 0 < 1459444524 765940 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: right, that's basically projective geometry < 1459444528 994521 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it works in more dimensions than just 1D < 1459444547 114140 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and has some other fun properties, e.g. going past infinity and back from the other side makes an object into a mirror image of itself < 1459444581 278161 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can have complex projective numbers and cool extra transformations? < 1459444667 289147 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps < 1459444681 52610 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if it works with complex numbers rather than just x/y coordinates, but it probably does < 1459444686 891387 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, wait, no < 1459444688 466342 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn't an x/y < 1459444693 991798 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because infinity is a point, not a line < 1459444707 214735 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, no it is a line < 1459444708 754093 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think < 1459444710 635819 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm confused < 1459444718 263241 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1459444728 733011 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :x/y is the same thing as the complex plane < 1459444733 806470 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least I think it is < 1459444735 639462 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in 2D projective geometry, there is one "point at infinity" for each angle a line can have < 1459444749 895771 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :two parallel lines intersect at the point at infinity for their angle < 1459444756 328823 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there is a line at infinity that contains all the points at infinity < 1459444760 737487 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :can a triangle have one angle in infinity? < 1459444816 422200 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-76.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1459444838 959598 :Kaynato!~Aedile@casewireless03.CWRU.Edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :An angle of infinity is not particularly meaningful < 1459444858 512919 :Kaynato!~Aedile@casewireless03.CWRU.Edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, misread < 1459444859 383180 :Kaynato!~Aedile@casewireless03.CWRU.Edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry < 1459444899 646561 :Kaynato!~Aedile@casewireless03.CWRU.Edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Riemann sphere is the likely one you are thinking about for complex numbers < 1459444912 502216 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :could be < 1459444927 835957 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not an expert on projective geometry, I've hardly even seen references to it < 1459444955 167560 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: I don't see why you couldn't have a triangle formed out of two crossing lines, with the third at infinity < 1459445012 624176 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :sleepy < 1459445525 198072 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: because there's a whole line at infinity, and the two intersecting lines will intersect that one in different points. < 1459445566 354146 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: yes, thus forming a triangle < 1459445582 64430 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of the sides runs from one of the relevant points-at-infinity to the other < 1459445595 28736 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: oh, it wasn't clear that the line at infinity would be one of the sides < 1459445596 111863 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other two run from the points-at-infinity to a single point in "finite space" < 1459445600 157211 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that's fine then < 1459445726 151397 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, another parsing failure... < 1459445753 57478 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1459445779 332201 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu QUIT :Quit: That's what she said < 1459445973 607518 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell myname doesn't look that impressive <-- what do you mean, not impressive? all the panels share a theme despite not being just repetition of each other! (ok so the point is that it's usually far worse hth) < 1459445973 770403 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1459446074 358152 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: this is a mezzacotta comic? < 1459446085 387648 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yeah < 1459446088 478073 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :today's < 1459446116 703306 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's actually… mildly funny, at least < 1459446124 142189 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are right, it is unusually good for mezzacotta < 1459446134 145988 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION bakes it
< 1459446171 206926 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1459446318 525667 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@194.108.5.201 JOIN :#esoteric < 1459446354 289425 :spiette!~spiette@x-132-204-251-254.xtpr.umontreal.ca QUIT :Quit: :qa! < 1459446418 393523 :lambda-11235!~lambda-11@24.156.46.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :An old stack based language I wrote a long time ago, https://github.com/lambda-11235/tstk. < 1459446440 321349 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : am I the only one who didn't make a brain**** derivative when I first joined? <-- technically, have i ever? the one i added recently already existed with a different name. < 1459446512 413519 :lambda-11235!~lambda-11@24.156.46.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If anyone's interested in looking at it. < 1459446526 650224 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've certainly implemented a few, though. although i don't think i implemented brainfuck _itself_ until i did it in Fueue. < 1459446602 451311 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: did you invent small-finite-tape BF? < 1459446610 992343 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, with a single-digit length? < 1459446670 919818 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambda-11235: why does github show README.html unrendered... < 1459446690 995750 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: because it's not a Markdown file and github doesn't render anything but markdown < 1459446693 420486 :zadock!~outsider@81.180.208.252 JOIN :#esoteric < 1459446717 637236 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: cannot imagine so, there was already a proof by someone else that 5 were enough after all. < 1459446733 699073 :lambda-11235!~lambda-11@24.156.46.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I wrote it a long time ago, and for some reason I decided to use html for the README. < 1459446759 845971 :lambda-11235!~lambda-11@24.156.46.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was long before I joined GitHub. < 1459446766 367431 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459446767 363314 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1459446790 420238 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b < 1459446795 193283 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bleh < 1459446801 173397 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :backspace is next to return, as usual < 1459446809 843414 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :B-) < 1459446823 312761 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, why am I apologising for my typos, I used to just send them to #esoteric without caring < 1459446829 513484 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably I'm on better behaviour than normal < 1459446833 68356 :lambda-11235!~lambda-11@24.156.46.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Write a program to convert html to markdown, and call it markup. < 1459446838 69202 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: and you invented reversible brainfuck before i needed it for jolverine < 1459446848 111725 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I didn't realise you needed it < 1459446867 70169 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambda-11235: doesn't pandoc do that? maybe it only goes the other way. < 1459446892 294288 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION doesn't really know pandoc
< 1459446906 686262 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now you're making me want to work on rtfm again < 1459446916 137815 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: jolverine is reversible and has a tape, so it seemed like the obvious thing to try... < 1459446929 24841 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for the TC proof) < 1459446932 869871 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the basic idea is that it statistically analyzes text documents to work out what notation they use for headings, titles, etc., then converts into other formats) < 1459446942 510893 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then i had to prove rev. bf TC first < 1459446943 243116 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I haven't even really started it yet, though) < 1459447026 755113 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know, looking at that page < 1459447035 810653 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in retrospect I should probably define , to add the input to the current cell < 1459447042 935175 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than crash the program if the current cell is nonzero < 1459447065 185696 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : presumably I'm on better behaviour than normal <-- hasn't that day passed < 1459447071 153767 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ais523 < 1459447072 511304 :lambda-11235!~lambda-11@24.156.46.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Hold on, converting and tidying up the markdown. < 1459447075 897621 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it was earlier this month < 1459447077 397366 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1459447084 501186 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, I am sometimes well-behaved on other days too < 1459447084 665570 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Agent “Iä” Smith is an alien with a strange allergy to avian body covering, which he is trying to retroactively prevent from ever evolving. On the 3rd of March, he's lawful good. < 1459447099 569318 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shocking < 1459447173 592968 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: next you need to merge rtfm with aimake hth < 1459447190 581331 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it'd be possible < 1459447201 153678 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aimake uses POD for documentation atm (both its own and that of programs it's installing) < 1459447232 414780 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's partly because it ships with Perl, and partly because it's one of the few formats that has all the features that documentation really needs (the other is info and everyone hates info) < 1459447319 88333 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-178-006-010-224.178.006.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1459447331 869933 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i recall they changed the doc format for ghc last year. < 1459447355 454122 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although the new one _did_ lose a few features (deep nesting, i think) < 1459447371 927081 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it was still considered a win. < 1459447382 197161 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, hmm, asan and msan both exist and do different things, and valgrind does both those things < 1459447395 628277 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(asan = check for addressability, msan = check for definedness) < 1459447523 706761 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :from DocBook to ReStructuredText https://ghc.haskell.org/trac/ghc/wiki/UsersGuide/MoveFromDocBook < 1459447681 533797 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, email from norwegian tax authorities < 1459447763 664893 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well at least you're actually norwegian, so it makes more sense that you receive the email than that, say, I do < 1459447789 226468 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the spam filter marked it as possibly spam :P < 1459447796 473372 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there's no link in it so... < 1459447889 910127 :shikhin_!shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1459447892 357605 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's an email everyone gets, that the tax forms are ready < 1459447989 218629 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(everyone they've got email for, that is. i _almost_ managed to not use the official login long enough that they stopped considering my email valid) < 1459448038 438624 :spiette!~spiette@x-132-204-251-254.xtpr.umontreal.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1459448087 586214 :lambda-11235!~lambda-11@24.156.46.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Converted to markdown. How's that? < 1459448110 819841 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1459448167 72892 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :markdown annoys me < 1459448211 133222 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are three jobs you really want for a format like that: a) capable of representing arbitrary formatting; b) looks like a regular unformatted text file; c) easy for someone unfamiliar with the format to edit < 1459448217 399894 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it pretty much fails at all three < 1459448307 581633 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what they call an excellent compromise hth < 1459448408 741142 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been considering making my own, going all-in on b) and only aiming for the other two to the extend they don't interfere < 1459448424 568850 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :was considering going so far as to allow people to write directives as sequences of spaces and tabs at the end of lines, Whitespace-style < 1459448736 194611 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :schlock in a holding cell, what did I miss? < 1459448737 185445 :lambda-11235!~lambda-11@24.156.46.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I would want something that goes for a. A kinda of markup language that's turing complete with arbitrary drawing capabilities. < 1459448742 25631 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I don't think perldoc has all the features that documentation needs. there's one feature I'm really missing < 1459448765 690974 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambda-11235: like HTML+JS, but less insane? < 1459448767 105465 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: go on < 1459448782 8085 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(probably have to wait for the next strip for an explanation... sigh) < 1459448821 886294 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, at least with the current perldoc interpreters. it's possible that it could be fixed in the future by changing those. < 1459448831 767707 :lambda-11235!~lambda-11@24.156.46.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I considered that, but yes, it needs to be more sane, and prettier to look at. < 1459448835 804565 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: you still haven't told me what the feature /is/ < 1459448874 29368 :lambda-11235!~lambda-11@24.156.46.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like LaTeX, but easier to program and do graphics in. < 1459448884 355211 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know how perl has =begin and =for directives to put renderer-specific parts in a perldoc, so you can say something like eg. =for *HTML \n to embed an image in HTML output < 1459448895 178080 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1459448900 182854 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :=for aimake manualsection 6 < 1459448917 12982 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The feature I'm missing is the same thing in negative, so that you can easily put fallbacks for other renderers < 1459448944 715732 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's possible to do this for some renderers by putting the fallback text unconditionally and using some renderer-specific method to hide that text < 1459448944 916068 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a "=for everythingelse"? < 1459448951 243383 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no, more like a =for !HTML < 1459448966 527219 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that wouldn't be useful unless you could hide from two or more renderers at once < 1459448972 962134 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you can with =begin < 1459448980 990058 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: non-starred =being blocks can be nested < 1459448996 3885 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously =for !HTML is the wrong syntax for it, because it's not backwards compatible < 1459449005 275649 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? markdown < 1459449013 125906 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :markdown? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1459449035 305419 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`le/rn markdown/What will your markdown flavor be today? < 1459449046 85765 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned «markdown» < 1459449048 338375 :zadock!~outsider@81.180.208.252 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1459449055 908933 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :we could use something like =for begin !\nHTML\n\n ... \n\n=for end ! < 1459449068 44872 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :which would be ignored by existing renderers < 1459449079 868836 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the text inside would be kept < 1459449118 932162 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can still do specific hacks like =for HTML\n