< 1459468804 427121 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried making a Sonic game in it but it was too slow < 1459468808 861167 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: A JS-ic interpreter for BASIC? < 1459468816 468849 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :idk how it worked < 1459468818 258016 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: They're "markov sequences" all right, though it's not quite the most common implementation, where you have a bunch of text and then jump around; instead, it's just generating word by word from a variable-length n-gram model trained with https://github.com/vsiivola/variKN and stored in a I-think-it's-nifty-but-for-some-reason-haven't-much-seen-it-around data structure that I call ... < 1459468819 122521 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: I've been working to make a browser < 1459468822 563233 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it was called Quite Basic < 1459468824 305498 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... a reverse-context tree for lack of a better name. < 1459468826 794898 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like a word trie except so that if your model has, say, information about the contexts "baz bar foo", "quux bar foo" and "zuul foo", the trie has the form (foo (bar (baz [..]) (quux [..])) (zuul [...])). < 1459468829 963884 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: this is of course inspired by "halt and catch fire", https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halt_and_Catch_Fire < 1459468830 778581 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The idea being that it's easy to synthesize from -- you just descend the tree while reading backwards from the end of the text you've generated so far, and once you no longer find a leaf for the "next" (previous) word, you've arrived at the longest prefix in the variKN model, and can read its list of frequencies for following words. < 1459468835 816851 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(For extra credit, also account for backoff weights by having a probability for going back up one level.) < 1459468867 746785 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Ah, yes < 1459468899 999918 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I had to choose a few esoteric assembly instructions, they would be, um < 1459468908 621010 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :For some reason most things dealing with n-gram models I've seen have tended to put things in a trie, yes, but the "right way around". Which I guess is just fine for a fixed-length model, but much less convenient for a variable-length one. < 1459468913 73211 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :idk < 1459468930 227326 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm in the mood to talk about numbers right now < 1459468941 331739 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: Have you heard of the number @? < 1459468952 179054 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :the number what? < 1459468961 2064 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: The number @ < 1459468964 697560 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1459468964 860383 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: |@|=-1 < 1459468969 599871 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1459468971 414128 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting < 1459468973 112838 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :|n@|=-n < 1459468976 290887 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1459468993 138965 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I had a lot of fun writing the Funge code. It's a language that's generally much easier to write than read. < 1459469019 154221 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1459469021 895549 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1459469023 562820 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :imagine < 1459469033 883218 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: Go on < 1459469037 616457 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: Something that randomly chooses a register, and start executing the instruction at the specified address. An instruction that moves memory from a specified location to a random location somewhere else. An instruction that reads the specified memory address, and multiplies it by a random prime number. Other useless things. < 1459469039 919182 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :# = -i@ < 1459469041 870052 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ * @? < 1459469051 198006 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ * @ = 1? < 1459469054 295576 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :or different < 1459469054 458178 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: Undefined, as of yet < 1459469062 857615 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1459469063 24969 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: No, but j^2 = 1 < 1459469065 883929 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But j != 1 < 1459469070 588507 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :crazy < 1459469071 912766 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And k^2 = 0 < 1459469075 855116 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But k != 0 < 1459469082 42989 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :|@*@| = 1? < 1459469083 355908 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the 2D real algebras < 1459469084 403051 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :we can take any condition and turn it into a number... < 1459469087 177724 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zgrep: Probably not < 1459469090 620547 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zgrep: Ask Sgeo__ < 1459469099 295963 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: Why not? < 1459469110 351858 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :sqrt(@)? < 1459469112 992064 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zgrep: Because @ isn't based on squaring, it's based on absing < 1459469118 991742 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :|-@|? < 1459469122 573837 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: 1 < 1459469132 158086 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :crazy < 1459469133 313843 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: |-@|=1 < 1459469145 221050 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: Not that crazy; I already said |n@| = -n < 1459469146 803095 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :3@ / 2@ = ??? < 1459469149 441424 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :3/2? < 1459469154 15665 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: Yes, definitely < 1459469157 975392 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1459469159 67688 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: Sgeo__ invented @ < 1459469165 561309 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I want to invent one < 1459469169 330444 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? @ < 1459469179 64739 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​@ is an OS made out of only the finest vapour. < 1459469179 227816 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :p. sure it wasn't Sgeo__ who invented @ < 1459469179 390790 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: Just don't make it absy, make it something new < 1459469181 776182 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ < 1459469188 548314 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ * 2 = 0.5 < 1459469192 713401 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ * x = 1/x < 1459469194 395262 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :`misle/rn @/|@| = -1 < 1459469203 865306 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was lied to about «@» < 1459469205 391583 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that means $ = 1... < 1459469208 407660 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1459469213 973049 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: That's actually... hm... < 1459469221 564414 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: I don't see how that behaves like numbers < 1459469238 811952 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: It has to behave reasonably like a number, but not quite, or else it's no fun < 1459469247 17224 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :x$ = x/$ but $ =/= 1 < 1459469257 500512 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1459469264 870648 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :what other numbers... < 1459469270 921390 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean functions < 1459469271 556680 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: @ is numeric, as are i, j, and k < 1459469283 385763 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: You can do the reverse of @'s creation process to < 1459469284 822755 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1459469285 180473 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION still doesn't see why |
< 1459469286 179009 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :|$| = i < 1459469289 582126 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION still doesn't see why |-@| = 1... :(
< 1459469294 702018 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah < 1459469294 984860 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: $=-i@ < 1459469300 399725 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1459469324 341161 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zgrep: Because |n*@| = -n, -@ = -1*a, and -(-1) = 1 < 1459469332 572957 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, wow. Heh. < 1459469339 183424 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm < 1459469347 927700 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ = cube root (-1) < 1459469350 426630 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah < 1459469357 618922 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ = fourth root (-1) < 1459469362 999934 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/oswg-member/yorick QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1459469363 549793 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: That's a normal complex number < 1459469375 930767 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1459469388 912412 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :explore quaternions. < 1459469390 854839 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: @ was made by taking an unsatisfiable expression and making a new number that satisfies it. The reverse is taking an expression with no solution and making a solution < 1459469402 844282 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :|@*@| = -@? < 1459469406 408892 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :should I do the inverse/ < 1459469408 278038 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :?* < 1459469408 441106 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you meant: v @ ? . < 1459469416 242315 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: η is the "Notta Constant" < 1459469416 455535 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :or the one you did? < 1459469422 710196 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the notta constant? < 1459469428 840503 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zgrep: No, unless you have a reason < 1459469438 303680 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1459469440 28111 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: xη = x/0 < 1459469451 434823 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :so basically infinity < 1459469459 839638 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1459469462 725398 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: No, not infinity < 1459469463 548912 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: |n*@| = -n, so |@*@| = -@... What'd I do wrong? :P < 1459469468 83050 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: It's a new plane < 1459469473 749201 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zgrep: Ah, good point < 1459469474 964315 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :a new plane? oh yeah < 1459469479 785487 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zgrep: NOW you're onto something < 1459469482 164692 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1459469486 301773 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm < 1459469505 316063 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I will make up an unsatisfiable expression < 1459469506 538039 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: You can also invent completely baffling things that look like numbers at first, but aren't quite < 1459469511 581206 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: Like the trigns < 1459469514 644241 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :trigns? < 1459469518 325330 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: Make sure the expression is fairly simple < 1459469538 350872 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: It's like the bigns, AKA the reals. I'll leave you to extrapolate. < 1459469554 570500 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's a third sign? < 1459469563 831787 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus, negative and trign? < 1459469567 621789 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: Yes, or more accurately, 2 new signs that replace - < 1459469573 273200 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, interesting < 1459469577 111164 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are those signs called? < 1459469582 774284 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: $ ~ and & < 1459469590 722368 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And they have rules that I forgot < 1459469594 783614 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1459469595 994663 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1459469602 609009 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting < 1459469621 472463 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: |n|^2 ≠ |n^2|, right? < 1459469625 810817 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :0^x = 1 < 1459469626 108845 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/oswg-member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1459469635 88953 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :my new number would be %, and 0^% = 1 < 1459469637 414300 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: Here's one for you. 0/nρ = n < 1459469640 975162 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: Oh, that works too < 1459469643 948626 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: Look into that < 1459469645 335807 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: Isn't that 0? < 1459469649 465742 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: What's the general case < 1459469653 809154 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zgrep: No, that's undefined < 1459469657 916417 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppa: isn't that another infinity? < 1459469663 615758 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :the p thing < 1459469668 463250 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1459469679 20358 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1459469681 353006 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: Oh, heh. Good point. < 1459469684 154998 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: Though I have a nagging feeling that it's related to η < 1459469697 235276 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zgrep: Yep. < 1459469701 218723 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :0^% = 1, so < 1459469709 130566 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :x^y% = ?? < 1459469716 832624 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zgrep: And |n|^2 usually is equal to |n^2| < 1459469731 655317 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: Obviously, 0^%n = n < 1459469739 851014 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1459469742 885432 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: You should probably give it a less mathematical name < 1459469746 383395 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like "r" < 1459469750 605542 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol r < 1459469756 620896 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because @ works, but % is too mathy already < 1459469760 911461 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :0^rx = ?? < 1459469765 574345 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1459469765 941636 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: x < 1459469768 348510 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was originally going for $ but way too mathy < 1459469770 865416 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :|-n@| = -|n@| < 1459469776 528790 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll use r < 1459469787 698562 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :x^ry = ? < 1459469789 947451 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zgrep: I believe so. Let me chack the algebra < 1459469810 160118 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: |n^2| ≠ |n|^2 if you've got an @ somewhere in there. < 1459469839 477535 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: The simplest solution is x^ry = y(x+1) = xy+y, but that's a bit strange < 1459469847 808189 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zgrep: excellent < 1459469857 76116 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459469864 743181 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :how'd you get that solution? < 1459469870 352869 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1459469872 536790 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get it < 1459469881 938711 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :|@^2| = |@*@| = -@, but |@|^2 = 1. So |n^2| ≠ |n|^2, right? < 1459469890 756083 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :you moved the y down like I moved the x down when I was doing 0^rx < 1459469907 874372 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's interesting though < 1459469923 889868 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: It's not very good (too functional, not numbery enough), but it's the best I can think of < 1459469936 29769 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1459469940 851918 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zgrep: Apparently, yes! Good job! < 1459469941 119402 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's think of a different simpler one then < 1459469944 132017 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about < 1459470031 158571 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact, |ab| ≠ |a|*|b| when @'s involved. < 1459470040 73326 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: x : x≠x < 1459470048 860303 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird idea < 1459470059 261762 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :does xx? < 1459470127 92718 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: Precisely < 1459470135 805672 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Order-theoretical i < 1459470136 18069 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's call it ᴓ < 1459470140 559230 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ᴓ>ᴓ < 1459470144 213516 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: neoletters doesn't include that symbol < 1459470149 864865 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :neoletters? < 1459470155 800765 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ᴓ < 1459470158 432974 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+1D13 LATIN SMALL LETTER SIDEWAYS O WITH STROKE] < 1459470178 457422 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: Oh! My last name has that letter! < 1459470181 63638 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kind of! < 1459470189 272307 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: Wait, it's a sideways version < 1459470192 787617 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :but flipped horizontally < 1459470220 309931 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :does ξ show up? < 1459470226 766940 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: Yes < 1459470234 112797 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :so ξ > ξ < 1459470247 223202 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :xξ > xξ? < 1459470259 980195 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: Obviously < 1459470266 276007 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about xξ and yξ for different x and y? < 1459470302 20469 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: How does that normally work again? < 1459470317 575123 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, 3 > 2 and 2 < 3, and 3 = 3 < 1459470329 772097 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :does ξ = ξ + x for any particular x? < 1459470368 517572 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ξ > ξ, and 3ξ = 4ξ? < 1459470373 367146 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :or 3ξ > 4ξ? < 1459470406 620786 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is ξ, in this case? < 1459470415 693584 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ξ > ξ < 1459470425 592189 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahah. So then ξ < ξ as well. < 1459470439 727278 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope, that rule was broken < 1459470444 806197 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :How? < 1459470449 696739 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppa's idea < 1459470464 378387 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: Don't blame me! < 1459470478 861641 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :so does x < ξ for any x? < 1459470493 372303 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if ξ > ξ... why isn't ξ < ξ? < 1459470501 216076 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ask hppa < 1459470506 935845 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: This is me asking you. < 1459470507 881329 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :my original idea was just ξ =/= ξ < 1459470536 574930 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: I think that was /my/ idea < 1459470549 487573 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: rdococ: x : x≰x < 1459470553 51286 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :20<hppavilion[1]>30 rdococ: x : x≠x < 1459470554 895023 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :really now < 1459470564 551650 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Need I break out the logs? < 1459470568 563344 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1459470577 981489 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :but ξ > ξwas also yours < 1459470609 971312 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459470619 640004 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-5-127.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1459470666 519327 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :|@*@*@| = -@*@... ||@*@*@|| = @, then? < 1459470683 471087 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where that's [[@*@*@]] not, []@*@*@[]. :P < 1459470711 488739 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@@ < 1459470721 473088 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@something < 1459470721 635860 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1459470728 260587 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@1 < 1459470728 423718 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Say again? < 1459470731 217143 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@2 < 1459470731 379893 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you meant: v @ ? . < 1459470734 776100 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@@ < 1459470742 355540 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :@poke lambdabot < 1459470742 518627 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you meant: vote more < 1459470748 433852 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I don't want to vote more. < 1459470749 52294 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@botsnack < 1459470749 215237 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1459470815 949118 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :@|@| = -@... and |@*@| = -@... uh... :/ < 1459470816 152060 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plugin `compose' failed with: Unknown command: "..." < 1459470859 676095 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ω > n for any finite n, but Ω < infinity? so Ω is the largest finite number < 1459470882 53837 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1459470883 954158 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@( < 1459470884 117023 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you meant: v @ ? . < 1459470886 717132 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@) < 1459470886 880161 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you meant: v @ ? . < 1459470891 588415 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@[ < 1459470891 751300 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you meant: v @ ? . < 1459470894 392534 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@{ < 1459470894 555705 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you meant: v @ ? . < 1459470896 766564 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@` < 1459470896 929469 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you meant: v @ ? . < 1459470900 699815 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :So what's ∞ - Ω? < 1459470904 143099 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 < 1459470911 816978 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ω = ∞ - 1? < 1459470914 979994 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1459470915 569047 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the lambdie answers to most about anything, except @. very peculiar. < 1459470928 310970 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :v < 1459470936 920274 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: I'm assuming that @'s the prefix, whatever comes after that's considered the command. But just @ is ignored. < 1459470960 663087 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ < 1459470966 972434 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :> < 1459470969 391966 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :> < 1459470970 633676 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : : not an expression: ‘’ < 1459470971 198355 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ < 1459470981 832351 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh. "@ " doesn't trigger, but "> " does. < 1459471008 311839 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :or what about < 1459471012 21402 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :xΩ = 1/x < 1459471023 39538 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@@@ < 1459471030 555161 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@@@@something < 1459471045 380816 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: Becomes weird, because then Ω = x^-2 < 1459471047 644537 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1459471062 112208 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I guess it wouldn't be number, just an operation. < 1459471071 574949 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about < 1459471072 744764 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :four signs < 1459471085 977711 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has no clue what zgrep is talking about...
< 1459471087 96686 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :+3 plus x2 = +6 < 1459471115 960912 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :+x + *y = x*y < 1459471148 103087 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :and x + /y = x/y < 1459471179 678739 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :This look simple: -0 [something] n = 0 [something] (-1 * n). < 1459471189 953940 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :And useless. < 1459471197 538123 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: I... don't exactly get what that is... < 1459471213 198420 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: But then Ω > Ω < 1459471233 90075 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppa: I was discussing another idea for a number < 1459471243 219405 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: I know < 1459471304 587834 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about < 1459471305 51636 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ʊ < 1459471367 528681 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1459471389 821966 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :How how did you get an upside-down omega. o.o < 1459471398 59449 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode Ʊ < 1459471401 949428 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+01B1 LATIN CAPITAL LETTER UPSILON] < 1459471407 68112 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :upsilon. Neat! :D < 1459471439 808220 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about Ψ < 1459471501 306091 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :Technically, 🐈 could work as a great name too. It would also help annoy others who want to type about it. :P < 1459471504 157263 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :xΨ + y(1-Ψ) = random probability of being either x or y < 1459471514 864470 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :what symbol is that? it doesn't showu p on mine < 1459471520 12172 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a unicode cat. < 1459471546 241974 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1459471563 434015 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ψ = random probability of being either 0 or 1 < 1459471567 520229 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: Ψ: Doing any math involving Ψ comes at the expense of your sanity < 1459471576 98468 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Example problem: < 1459471579 269336 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :x = Ψ+1 < 1459471579 849813 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it is random and unpredictable < 1459471583 463246 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :x-1 = Ψ < 1459471589 442197 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ψ+1 = random probability of being either 1 or 2 < 1459471590 301794 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(algebra) < 1459471598 932504 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHAHHAAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA < 1459471602 586530 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(def. of Ψ) < 1459471626 45982 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459471626 853532 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :doing any math with x comes at the expense of your sanity... < 1459471636 687050 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that mean I have no sanity? < 1459471638 738998 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/with x.*your // < 1459471651 119954 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, wait, I cut out too many words. Damn it. < 1459471657 790081 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/with x // < 1459471658 715524 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zgrep: Try ms/ < 1459471658 878393 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :There. < 1459471661 941304 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1459471671 202850 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zgrep: ms/// is for fixing s/// expressions < 1459471701 993872 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ms/s/with x.*your///s/with x// < 1459471711 793015 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: Really? I usually either ignore the first regex I made, fix the resulting string as if the regexes were applied in a row, or I write a regex to fix the regex as a regular regex. < 1459471741 16399 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :so Ψ = 0, no wait it's 1, 0, 1, 0 wait what is it < 1459471744 749555 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :A regular regex expression! :P < 1459471745 743190 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :zgrep: new processors for an architecture may support additional features that their predecessors did not in a backwards-incompatible way, but when people make new architectures like ARM, they aren't backwards-compatile with other architectures < 1459471765 650899 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: True. < 1459471775 986912 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zgrep: Yes, that's ms < 1459471779 746920 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zgrep: That last one < 1459471796 944796 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: It doesn't end up calling our evil Microsoft overlords? < 1459471797 745987 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are there irregular expressions? < 1459471806 214811 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zgrep: Nope < 1459471811 348571 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: Yes hth < 1459471814 187091 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: Oh, okay. Good. < 1459471823 79840 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: alksfdjaoisdf matches "walrus", but not "oerjan" < 1459471839 504139 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does match "oerjans", though. < 1459471853 291782 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :But not organs. < 1459471857 81308 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zgrep: Correct, but not "oerjan's" < 1459471879 523276 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though alksfdjaoisde would match all of the above. < 1459471887 803908 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: Maybe we should work on that hacking game < 1459471936 965055 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :do we have to < 1459471937 951824 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can say "it's not rocket surgery" as an amusing combination of the two idioms, but saying "it's not brain science" works much less well. < 1459471960 841712 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask oerjan do you feel matched? < 1459471961 7875 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1459472028 750333 :MDude!~MDude@pa-67-234-117-223.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1459472053 828079 :MDude!~MDude@pa-67-234-117-223.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459472056 372951 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about < 1459472057 499369 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :x < 1459472069 968200 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :χ < 1459472083 366720 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Between a rock and a pickle? :P < 1459472103 900990 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :3χ / (χ/2) = 6 < 1459472107 237456 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: Yes, we have to :P < 1459472129 173464 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: Err... yes. < 1459472160 875209 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, all numbers satisfy that property, but < 1459472164 942427 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :χ is a wildcard < 1459472172 749716 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :χ is algebra without algebra < 1459472182 847820 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: How is it a wildcard? < 1459472217 207405 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT : < 1459472219 622434 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppa: it is meant for substitution < 1459472220 448446 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: Is it a number that satisfies all properties the reals satisfy (and no others), but that isn't a real? < 1459472227 885021 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: So it's just a variable? < 1459472233 694453 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :not exactly < 1459472234 862419 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: You're trying to turn math into C macros? D: < 1459472237 967998 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: These numbers are boring me. < 1459472245 44902 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh < 1459472245 691097 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fine < 1459472275 873098 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :H4X1N470R-MP < 1459472283 692694 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Θx = sin(x) < 1459472312 900647 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: That's a function again < 1459472329 390566 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1459472333 506893 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: There's a difference between weird numbers and weird function call syntax < 1459472352 296156 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :0^0 = μ < 1459472379 237101 :lambda-11235!~lambda-11@47.208.113.50 JOIN :#esoteric < 1459472451 289384 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about that < 1459472513 971220 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459472552 313511 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :should I just google a random function, find a spot where the function doesn't havw a value, and make a spot there? < 1459472659 566287 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about < 1459472669 887711 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ϝ + 1 = Ϝ < 1459472681 765100 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :∞ < 1459472692 151957 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ϝ < n for all n < 1459472703 928225 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :-∞ < 1459472719 519617 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh < 1459472724 573384 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :(although not completely, but almost) < 1459472751 352868 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if it's possible to somehow teach mathematica what @ is... < 1459472754 583201 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/mathe/Mathe/ < 1459472764 466849 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :try it < 1459472767 887730 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :|@| = -1 < 1459472774 860320 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about < 1459472812 338768 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :β = x for any x < 1459472813 902447 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :Expression cannot begin with "Abs[@]=-1". :P < 1459472836 455748 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :try a different symbol like x < 1459472883 675092 :mihow!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1459472888 255901 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm wondering, how would I begin to figure out what |@+k| would be... < 1459472908 268952 :mihow!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459472920 223400 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, if |x@| = -x@ < 1459472929 329551 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :then |@+k| = -@ - k < 1459472941 450811 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why? < 1459472946 294234 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait < 1459472968 454285 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :|@+k| = |@| + |k| = -@ + |k| < 1459472977 927198 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :|a| + |b| ≠ |a + b| < 1459473023 977900 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is |@| = -@, i thought it'd be -1 < 1459473035 829782 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah < 1459473036 655043 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :|@| = -1 indeed. < 1459473038 677859 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :|@| = -1 < 1459473040 684222 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :`tomfoolery @ < 1459473043 216422 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​|@| = -1 < 1459473048 612357 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :|k@| = -k < 1459473065 471365 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :|@+k| = -@ + k? < 1459473082 666920 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :`misle/rn @/|n@| = -n < 1459473086 305163 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was lied to about «@» < 1459473106 449096 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :`tomfoolery random number < 1459473115 791487 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :`tomfoolery random < 1459473120 151446 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is |-@|? is it |-1@| = 1? < 1459473123 917671 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh, I guess that's no longer there. < 1459473124 593107 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1459473132 202575 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :|-@| = 1 < 1459473136 913690 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :8901 < 1459473137 398807 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I must confess, I know not of what you are speaking. < 1459473147 654965 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it worked, just slowly. < 1459473154 647013 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :`tomfoolery random number < 1459473156 560214 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :6903 < 1459473159 180058 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1459473172 196756 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, what is |@+k|? < 1459473199 263367 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would assume the k part gets absed < 1459473220 92153 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I had my way, |-@| = -1 < 1459473230 255335 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait no < 1459473234 45886 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :then @ = -1 < 1459473236 744836 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1459473243 237773 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that < 1459473268 481063 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ψ is far more interesting < 1459473277 773846 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`tomfoolery random number < 1459473280 251402 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :17204 < 1459473290 476160 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's Ψ*100000 < 1459473309 354891 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait < 1459473309 745179 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat tmflry/random number < 1459473310 691940 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not < 1459473311 228941 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo $RANDOM < 1459473333 602570 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh < 1459473334 821423 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh < 1459473379 26780 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: I'm back < 1459473392 701854 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: |@+k|? = 19 < 1459473399 2625 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh? < 1459473399 961251 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/19/42/ < 1459473408 992420 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :42 < 1459473410 607127 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would make @ pretty pointless < 1459473420 266639 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: Heheh. < 1459473434 247125 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :Err... how did you mistype 42 as 19? < 1459473436 935297 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :it already is useless < 1459473439 69118 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: No, it makes ? pretty pointless < 1459473439 352843 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorta < 1459473440 927106 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :idk < 1459473441 407435 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :n? = 42 < 1459473446 694188 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1459473450 639213 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zgrep: I changed my mind < 1459473456 158986 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The answer to life, the universe, and everything"? = 42 :P < 1459473464 973179 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zgrep: Exactly < 1459473477 467586 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(?) :: a -> Int < 1459473515 289401 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's const < 1459473523 177798 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :(?) (+5) (-5) = 42? < 1459473528 486926 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: When you said "Ψ is far more interesting", what does Ψ equal? < 1459473535 733948 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did? < 1459473537 716655 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: It's an example of a const < 1459473546 106362 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: you did < 1459473562 356083 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ψ = a superposition of 0 and 1 < 1459473577 446160 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: A superposition? Are you sure it isn't just 0 or 1 at random? < 1459473585 240030 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: OOH! OOH! QUANTUM MATH! < 1459473587 861618 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay it's 0 or 1 at random < 1459473592 926890 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :or superposition < 1459473599 837872 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ψ = 0 or 1 < 1459473600 1308 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :|@|*|@| = 1... |@*@| = -@. <-- Why does this have to ruin everything. :( < 1459473607 524717 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: math : Computer math :: Quantum math : Quantum computer math < 1459473621 435410 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zgrep: It doesn't, it just breaks one property < 1459473622 765346 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg < 1459473633 870155 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: :) < 1459473634 407157 :jaboja!~jaboja@aah2.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1459473634 957571 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: But it ruins ease of use. :P < 1459473643 362194 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :zgrep: you made mathematica learn @?!!! < 1459473644 380552 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zgrep: Welcome to #esoteric < 1459473649 296211 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zgrep: because @ is atupid < 1459473655 320070 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel welcome here. < 1459473658 597184 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname is going to hell < 1459473662 666605 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: It's not tupid? Okay. < 1459473671 779446 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zgrep: You are, but myname isn't any more < 1459473674 391481 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it's atupid < 1459473679 554664 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it breaks even Z < 1459473683 106713 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: Making it not tupid < 1459473693 161723 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: a- is a prefix for "not" < 1459473700 256700 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppa: it is xtupid for any x < 1459473710 494425 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: Type my full nick, please < 1459473720 21975 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: I don't get alerted if you don't < 1459473725 81110 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: Use tab-complete < 1459473740 616840 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: How does it break Z? < 1459473751 866218 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: k < 1459473752 900979 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :see zgrep's example < 1459473777 230020 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the existence of @ would make 1 = -1 < 1459473798 193122 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :"hppa" makes me want to pronounce it "хпавилион". :P < 1459473798 355917 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :really? < 1459473804 378309 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which makes 2 equal to either 2, -2 or 0 < 1459473814 269675 :mihow!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1459473820 440507 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :x = -x and x =/= 0 < 1459473831 80302 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: β looked good < 1459473872 723644 :mihow!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459473883 601357 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :remind me what it was < 1459473891 666257 :mihow!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1459473917 172583 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: Nevermind, β is stupid < 1459473922 561969 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a=β, b=β, a!=b < 1459473943 273888 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: but 1 = -1 is fine? < 1459473958 465376 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: Where is 1 = -1? < 1459473959 502005 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: I'm assuming that they consider |a|*|b| ≠ |a*b| to be fine. < 1459473966 45708 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: Oh < 1459473988 397622 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zgrep: Actually, that is true, I think < 1459473990 44456 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let me check < 1459474004 378531 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zgrep: it will most likely brealk at |@+k| nontheless < 1459474007 758784 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, for all reals, |a|*|b| = |a*b|, I think. < 1459474018 503384 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zgrep: Not for the complexes though < 1459474019 277576 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: Well, if k = @, then |@+@| = -2 :P < 1459474031 169415 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: Probably something like that. < 1459474040 359485 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :|i| = 1, |1| = 1, |1+i| = sqrt(2) but |1|+|i|=2 < 1459474043 566758 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, shit < 1459474046 123 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You were doing * < 1459474056 367443 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :|i| = 1? < 1459474063 789719 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zgrep: Yeah. You didn't know that? < 1459474067 683995 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do now. :D < 1459474072 69416 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :||@|| = 1 < 1459474090 566261 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that depends on what norm you are using < 1459474091 168924 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usually, |x| = ||x||, but not when dealing with sgeoids < 1459474101 757752 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: Wait, but why is |i| = 1? < 1459474105 503046 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: What norm? < 1459474113 74620 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zgrep: Because the distance between i and 0 is 1. < 1459474119 953771 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good point! :D < 1459474123 821183 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :|i| could also be i < 1459474127 31971 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :|a+bi| = sqrt(a^2+b^2) < 1459474130 919536 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: Since when? < 1459474141 54969 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ introduces negative distances... does that simply mean going backwards in time? :P < 1459474145 71092 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the dostance between i and 0 is i < 1459474165 62009 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: No, it's 1 < 1459474168 695654 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: It's clearly 1 < 1459474169 366953 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about a number j which relates to hyperbolic trig? < 1459474185 497866 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: that depends < 1459474186 458041 :jaboja!~jaboja@aah2.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1459474224 371177 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :|a + bi| = |a| + |b| is as valid as |a + bi| = sqrt(a^2 + b^2) < 1459474234 913968 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :both of them are well defined < 1459474295 936582 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, the complex plane is like an x/y plane - the distance from i to 0 is 1 < 1459474319 419783 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :and from 1+i to 0 is sqrt(2) < 1459474356 542299 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as long as it follows some rules, anything is fine really < 1459474378 670829 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :but those are the rules of the complex system < 1459474398 803761 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, |x| = 0 => x = 0 < 1459474420 569620 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :|a| + |b| >= |a+b| < 1459474458 330877 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I have the idea of a hyperbolic complex plane where e^jx = sin(x) + icosh(x) < 1459474471 525100 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :sinh* < 1459474479 427746 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :j* < 1459474485 123842 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :jcosh* < 1459474746 526113 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :-|@| = |i|. Huh. < 1459474774 888252 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :|i| = 1 < 1459474780 436995 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :|@| = -1 < 1459474787 560522 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :-|@| = 1 < 1459474788 178535 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what he said < 1459474824 656266 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :|3| = |3| < 1459474874 690447 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: SELECTION CHICKEN < 1459474874 892290 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :|k@| ≠ |k||@|... argh! If only this weren't true, then things with @ would be much easier to think about. < 1459474908 299949 :jaboja!~jaboja@vps.jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1459474917 202924 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zgrep: |k@| = k|@| < 1459474923 234297 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that's not very good < 1459474935 763115 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: True... < 1459474937 764896 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would break math for k = @ < 1459474947 767525 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would it? < 1459474953 526133 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see it breaking math for k = @... < 1459474954 665238 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you posted it < 1459474962 953805 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, what I wrote, yes. Not what hppavilion[1] wrote. < 1459474982 289037 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so |@@| is -@? < 1459475007 671180 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeap. < 1459475012 83687 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and |-3@| would be 3? < 1459475015 435355 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeppers. < 1459475021 207829 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because |n@| = -n < 1459475024 133644 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg that actually make sense < 1459475054 407498 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :|n@| = -(|n|@/@) < 1459475067 698682 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :@.@ < 1459475067 862108 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you meant: @ . < 1459475073 173702 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :@_@ < 1459475111 549696 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about |@+k| < 1459475160 451792 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: Wat? < 1459475164 681152 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: Exactly. :/ < 1459475276 696851 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :asume k = @, that would make |@+k| = -2 < 1459475296 4957 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :|@+k| = -k/@ + -1? < 1459475300 57979 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :k = -@ would make it 0 < 1459475331 150434 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :|k/@| < 1459475344 446706 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about 1/@ < 1459475366 970818 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :k = n@ -> |@+k| = -(n+1) < 1459475424 870215 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :k = -n@ -> |@+k| = -n+1 < 1459475510 493225 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :k = n -> |@+k| = -1 - ((n/@)+1)...? < 1459475566 890041 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :n = @ -> |@+n| = -1 - ((n/@)+1) -> -3...? < 1459475612 541407 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :k = n@ -> |@+k| = -(n+1) < 1459475613 111144 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :k = -(n+2)k -> |@+k| = -(n+2)+1 = -(n+1) < 1459475617 59821 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :now plug in n = 1/@ < 1459475643 701790 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so |@ + k| = |@ - k + 2| < 1459475649 723682 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :k = (1/@)@ -> |@+k| = -((1/@)+1) < 1459475712 613127 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :|@+x| = -1/@ - 1 < 1459475732 872372 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :|@+x| = -x/@ - 1 < 1459475754 838569 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :nowait < 1459475777 571052 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :k = @; |@+k| = -2 < 1459475842 594908 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The enigma machine had a keyboard that was qwertzuio asdfghjk pyxcvbnml < 1459475936 363505 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :|x@| = -x < 1459475959 12949 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :now say x = (@+x)/@ < 1459475968 528058 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :|x| = |-x| -> |k + @| = |k - 2 - @| -> @ = -2 - @ -> 2@ = -2 -> @ = -1 < 1459475976 512474 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :y* < 1459475992 91690 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: sounds wrong < 1459476001 222738 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :|x@| = -x < 1459476013 662758 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :now say x = 1 + y/@ < 1459476020 470425 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how should (a+b)/b = a? < 1459476032 838167 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would make a + b = a * b < 1459476069 132200 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: Intriguing. < 1459476069 294736 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :a = (b+c)/b? < 1459476079 347483 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant y there < 1459476107 384059 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so a = 1 + c/b? < 1459476122 261331 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1459476156 104671 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are you trying to do < 1459476167 910528 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that's interesting. < 1459476193 389104 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :|n@|=-n; n=(@+x)/@; |@+x| = -(@+x)/@... huh. < 1459476244 770573 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't quite get where these division rules came from < 1459476264 70453 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you saying I'm assuming @/@ = 1? < 1459476294 508988 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't get what made you assume n = (@+x)/@ < 1459476351 652034 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who cares, it works? < 1459476364 688494 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how so < 1459476366 312628 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it was rdococ that made me assume. :P < 1459476374 201510 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :It figures out what |@+k| is. < 1459476385 854688 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :solve for k = @ < 1459476389 83766 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :So we want to know |@ + x|. < 1459476395 233722 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm. Let's try. < 1459476398 466898 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's divide both sides by @. |(1 + x/@)@| < 1459476399 779956 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1459476405 18286 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apply the rule. -(1 + x/@) < 1459476417 909188 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Simplify. -1 - x/@ Assuming my knowledge of parentheses are correct. < 1459476420 546772 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :-1-1 = -2 :D < 1459476435 514619 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :It works, of coures. :) < 1459476437 200479 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/res/rse/ < 1459476442 131950 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay < 1459476444 212722 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, wait... does it? < 1459476450 355979 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, probably. < 1459476453 913784 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep, it works. < 1459476487 172823 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks reasonable < 1459476504 203786 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am not sure if that somehow breaks my contradiction above < 1459476508 89503 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've known that a + b = (1 + b/a)a for ages now. < 1459476510 996255 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :`misle/rn @/|n@| = -n; |@+k| = -(@+k)/@ < 1459476515 182645 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was lied to about «@» < 1459476547 81590 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: Hm, which contradiction? < 1459476551 43982 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :a + b = (a/a + b/a)a = (1 + b/a)a < 1459476562 4109 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno if it applies to @, but I don't see why otherwise. < 1459476583 831489 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :|x| = |-x| -> |k + @| = |k - 2 - @| -> @ = -2 - @ -> 2@ = -2 -> @ = -1 < 1459476587 656735 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one < 1459476594 759287 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does |k + @| = |k - 2 - @|? < 1459476599 573432 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or are we assuming that? < 1459476632 167766 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because |k + @| = |-(k + 2) + @| < 1459476643 76742 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :Err... why? < 1459476665 440687 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :|5 + @| = |-7 + @|... nope, does not make sense, unless that's why it's contradictory < 1459476723 274965 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :|5 + @| = -1 - 5/@, meanwhile |-7 + @| = -1 + 7/@. One's less than -1, and the other's more. That's assuming @ > 0. < 1459476729 514059 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :`tomfoolery @ < 1459476730 666626 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​|n@| = -n; |@+k| = -(@+k)/@ < 1459476732 566637 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because |k + @| = -(n + 1) for k = n@ and |-(k+2) + @| = -(k+2) + 1 < 1459476745 953462 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :k = -n < 1459476746 474386 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PART :#esoteric < 1459476756 181589 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :Err, no, I'm wrong, sorry. < 1459476785 23553 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :|5@ + @| = |-7@ + @| < 1459476791 545337 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :So the assumption is that k = n@..., then |k + @| = |n@ + @| = |(n+1)@| = -n-1 < 1459476806 461777 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, no < 1459476830 637870 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :so wait, |k + @| = -(k/@ + 1), right? that follows what I got, then |-(k+2)+@| = -(k+2) + 1...wait, what? < 1459476834 580254 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :6 ≠ -6 :P < 1459476857 567253 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :|5@ + @| ≠ |-7@ + @| because |a@| ≠ |a||@| < 1459476904 178548 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but |-n@ + @| = -n + 1 < 1459476910 152772 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1459476911 891900 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :-n - 1 < 1459476914 919208 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`misle/rn @/|n@| = -n; |@+k| = -1 - k/@ < 1459476917 981758 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :Err.. wait. < 1459476918 950902 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :Crap. < 1459476925 408216 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was lied to about «@» < 1459476928 644005 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`tomfoolery @ < 1459476929 591836 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​|n@| = -n; |@+k| = -1 - k/@ < 1459476935 998406 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't get your version so I put my own < 1459476945 265608 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :|-n@ + @| = |(1-n)@| = n-1 < 1459476951 258643 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ myname < 1459476972 517410 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes sense < 1459476977 844120 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1459476983 555643 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1459476984 359420 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: Same thing. :P < 1459477014 414888 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that's with regards to |@+k|) < 1459477064 77713 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting < 1459477233 895387 :jaboja!~jaboja@vps.jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1459477264 813965 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: H444444444444444XXX11111N444444770000000000R < 1459477268 46929 :mihow!~mihow@172.56.38.167 JOIN :#esoteric < 1459477439 838602 :p34k!~p34k@nat-wh-wz4-12.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de QUIT : < 1459477497 967716 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^myname < 1459477509 110978 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it'd look nicer if rephrased: |@-k| = k/@ - 1 :P < 1459477514 851608 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you there fungot? It's me, hppavilion[1] < 1459477515 67671 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: not having guarantees for these things is sensible. thread-terminate! brings nothing but trouble...? or am i screwing something up. b. < 1459477540 975389 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty good answer < 1459477633 404862 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :So what'd |1/@| be... < 1459477673 422333 :mihow!~mihow@172.56.38.167 QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1459477676 21802 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for that we have to know what |@^k| is < 1459477689 938479 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not necessarily. < 1459477716 818821 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, but we want it nontheless < 1459477723 454480 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :Inverse isn't exactly the same thing as power, not completely/exactly. As far as I know. < 1459477744 595523 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :|@*@| = -@ < 1459477752 380523 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm... |@| = -1, |@@| = -@, |@@@| = -@@, etc. < 1459477775 298092 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :|@^k| = -(@^k-1) < 1459477795 331987 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :|@^-1| = -(@^-2) < 1459477795 514320 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please put some parens there. :P < 1459477806 723779 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :-(@^(k-1)) < 1459477810 482592 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeedy. :) < 1459477862 943224 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, |1/@| is -1/(@@)? < 1459477874 266151 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm... < 1459477883 219929 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :|1/0| = -1/(@@) < 1459477888 226277 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :@* < 1459477888 428058 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you meant: v @ ? . < 1459477891 606986 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/0/@ < 1459477978 442310 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems like that's it. < 1459478100 91624 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :`tomfoolery @ < 1459478101 719176 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​|n@| = -n; |@+k| = -1 - k/@ < 1459478132 474061 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :`misle/rn @/​|n@| = -n; |@+k| = -1 - k/@; |@^q| = -(@^(q-1)) < 1459478135 171171 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was lied to about «@» < 1459478157 97524 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :x^@ < 1459478161 433685 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oooh, yes... < 1459478192 754543 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a taugh one < 1459478290 864221 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we may ignore it :D < 1459478296 227956 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1459478322 849452 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, |x^@| could be x^@ < 1459478355 685354 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :|@^@| = -(@^(@-1)) < 1459478357 95197 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't see how thatwould break anything since that exists für even exponents < 1459478372 869073 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why that < 1459478383 371399 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1459478396 325062 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :|@^@| also is a nice emoticon < 1459478398 215585 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :|x@^y| < 1459478495 118259 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :|x@^y| = x|@^y| = -x@^(y-1)? < 1459478513 780102 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you mean x(@^y) or (x@)^y? < 1459478530 298446 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :(x@)^y < 1459478573 719119 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :(x^y)(@^y) < 1459478642 44582 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :|@^0| = -(@^(-1)) < 1459478688 98278 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :Technically... < 1459478725 937862 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :|((k^@)/@)@| = |k^@| = -((k^@)/@) < 1459478788 973678 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :k^@ = -@|k^@| < 1459478837 660063 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the @^0 is bad < 1459478853 666880 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there any way tp make it be 1? < 1459478907 506314 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :|ab@| = a|b@|, right? < 1459478922 433689 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess < 1459479006 670452 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: I guess that |@^0| simply isn't 1... < 1459479065 768118 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: It works out: |@^1| = -(@^0), so @^0 = -|@^1| = -|@| = 1 < 1459479085 68466 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what version? < 1459479093 538636 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :|@^q| = -(@^(q-1)), q = 1 < 1459479136 501050 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1459479212 124486 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i donjt like how |@^0| != |1| < 1459479216 983544 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that is fine < 1459479222 332839 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's assume that it is... < 1459479223 735929 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :But 1 = |1|... and -(@^(-1)) = |@^0|... so -1 = @^(-1)... < 1459479229 191215 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :|0^0| isn't 1 either < 1459479266 107605 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :So 1/@ = -1? < 1459479271 338671 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :That doesn't work, does it? < 1459479315 238032 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it doesn't. < 1459479322 509642 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because @ ≠ -1, right... < 1459479336 462634 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where did I mess u. < 1459479337 856102 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/u/up/ < 1459479349 934686 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@^0 simply isn't 1 < 1459479350 97638 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you meant: wn v rc pl id do bf @ ? . < 1459479372 277447 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: No, @^0 seems to be 1... just |@^0| doesn't seem to be 1... :( < 1459479383 129437 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :...unless @^0 isn't 1, because @^1 ≠ 1... < 1459479384 133275 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fine, too < 1459479397 199635 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :How's that fine, though... |1| ≠ 1, then? < 1459479415 119701 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1459479425 762575 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so @^0 must not be 1 < 1459479451 588311 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :`tomfoolery < 1459479452 282828 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :`tomfoolery @ < 1459479457 245725 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that may imply @^1 is not @ < 1459479462 464684 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have nothing to tell you. < 1459479462 627783 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​​|n@| = -n; |@+k| = -1 - k/@; |@^q| = -(@^(q-1)) < 1459479479 268369 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :|@^1| = -(@^(-2))... < 1459479545 193637 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, but as you said, |@^1| = -(@^0) < 1459479572 985349 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if @^1 were @, that would mean @^0 is 1 < 1459479584 200780 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459479622 446592 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so we either have to define |@^x| somehow else or we have to say that @^0 is not 1 and @^1 is not @ < 1459479628 56901 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoops, < 1459479629 819894 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/,/./ < 1459479632 726231 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't like the second part, though < 1459479658 705460 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah... < 1459479681 768885 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the exponential rule is wrong < 1459479699 959058 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, it works out that @^0 = 1 and @^1 = 1, they work together... but they end up giving @ a wrong value... < 1459479720 161662 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess... < 1459479722 977071 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we may do something like ^(sqrt(x)) to work around these sneaky 0 and 1 edge cases < 1459479870 205443 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :a^b = a*a*a... b times, right? That's the definition we're going with? < 1459479874 493696 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or something else. < 1459479876 810957 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, how did your 1/@ worked above < 1459479906 70858 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is -1 = @^(-1) < 1459479918 906985 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure what I did above... I've lost my train(s) of thought. < 1459479945 700863 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://upload.wikimedia.org/math/7/f/8/7f80d3b6fbe1d4e35eca5022242872bf.png <-- that's the definition we're going with, right? < 1459479961 347697 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-1 = |@| = |@^1| = -(@^0) < 1459479967 307659 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1459479976 468461 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed... < 1459480046 340705 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do think you made an error above but i am quite unsure < 1459480058 179281 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :I probably made a few errors above. < 1459480062 344455 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :|@^k| = @^(k-1) * |@|, right? < 1459480090 618309 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :Simply because of the fact that |a@| = a|@| < 1459480114 13096 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :So |@^k| = -(@^(k-1)) < 1459480132 760114 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :If @^0 = 1, then 1 = |@^0| = -(@^(-1))... < 1459480152 276813 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha! < 1459480174 975812 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 = -(1/@)... that means 1/@ = -1...??? < 1459480218 252802 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's... weird - I heard you talking about it above but never stopped to read < 1459480248 211207 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1459480250 88859 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :If @^1 = @, then -1 = |@^1| = -(@^0), then 1 = @^0... < 1459480270 765057 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :-1 = (1/@)... < 1459480278 337703 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :@^0 = 1, @^-1 = -1, and @^1 = @. < 1459480278 500501 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you meant: wn v rc pl id do bf @ ? . < 1459480303 612980 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess 1/-1 has two solutions now < 1459480323 239230 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ and -1? < 1459480328 295131 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :may work out < 1459480341 665880 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :So how did I show that @ is a number... < 1459480355 465262 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but does this imply it for any division? < 1459480371 191193 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, is 1/-2 equal to some @ thing? < 1459480399 540701 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :|@^(-2)| = -(@^(-3))... < 1459480412 819175 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/-2 = -1/2 or (1/2)@ < 1459480415 550477 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would say < 1459480427 663030 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :|@^-1| = |-1| = 1... so -(@^(-2)) = 1? < 1459480443 304952 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would make -1 may or may not be @ < 1459480464 741754 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :(@*@) = -1 < 1459480465 196450 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1459480465 718438 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :@^-2 = -1? < 1459480465 881289 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1459480478 680281 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :|@*@| = 1?!?!?!?! < 1459480484 979760 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1459480491 324839 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :|@@| = -@ < 1459480506 345849 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :but zgrep said < 1459480524 425436 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :If @^-2 = -1, then -1*(@^2) = 1, then @^2 = -1... D: < 1459480548 293177 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :...then that means sqrt(-1) = @ and @ = i... < 1459480558 841538 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's ludicrous < 1459480562 17478 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :|i| = 1, though. < 1459480565 976208 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ is ludicrous. < 1459480583 1810 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed, bordering on ridiculous < 1459480591 923347 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :but interesting enough to keep around < 1459480594 269907 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something weird is going on here with powers... :( < 1459480623 461002 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :@^-1 is -1, right? < 1459480623 623743 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1459480627 549144 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that would mean |i| = -1 < 1459480647 437857 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: ot depends on how you calculate < 1459480651 207951 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah < 1459480678 313746 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :if we assume that @^-1 = -1, then (@^-1)^-1 = -1 too, so @^-2 = -1... < 1459480683 43189 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :it acts a lot like -1 < 1459480685 863934 :earendel!~earendel@unaffiliated/earendel JOIN :#esoteric < 1459480698 545904 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :if my maths is right < 1459480718 191550 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to take a break from @ for now. < 1459480736 508970 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1459480764 662881 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the problem lies in the absolute value function of x@ < 1459480765 361723 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if we just say that |n@| = n|@| instead of -1... < 1459480777 127112 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :Err, instead of -n. < 1459480789 164266 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :since f(x) = |x@| doesn't swap slopes at the origin < 1459480818 795497 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, |x@| = -x, but |x| = x if x >= 0, and -x otherwise < 1459480823 571511 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :no such conditional in the @ < 1459480824 953249 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: i don't get ypur (@^-1)^-1 = -1 < 1459480833 969749 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something makes me think this is simply a problem of choosing absolute value, something related to distances... < 1459480837 326730 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :@^-1 = -1 < 1459480837 489500 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1459480848 771620 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :-1^-1 = 1/-1 = -1 < 1459480852 896096 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :or @ < 1459480861 390754 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :if we say @^-2 = @ < 1459480870 841680 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :then we complicate things a lot < 1459480879 313368 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, i see < 1459480939 494247 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we may need to start from stratch < 1459480948 591458 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to make a small adjustment to @'s behaviour, and call the new one ©. < 1459480955 641460 :earendel!~earendel@unaffiliated/earendel PRIVMSG #esoteric :|x|-|x| = -2x? < 1459480970 411737 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :|x©| = -|x| < 1459480975 68392 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :so |-©| = -1 < 1459480975 454102 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :|x|-|x| = 0 < 1459481003 411621 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: Hm. < 1459481008 162177 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :if we try © instead of @, do you think it will turn out with less contradictions? < 1459481010 749960 :earendel!~earendel@unaffiliated/earendel PRIVMSG #esoteric :is @ something in particulatr already? < 1459481021 537429 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :`tomfoolery @ < 1459481023 758926 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​​|n@| = -n; |@+k| = -1 - k/@; |@^q| = -(@^(q-1)) < 1459481027 619295 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :© is different in that |-©| < 0 < 1459481028 804041 :earendel!~earendel@unaffiliated/earendel PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1459481033 604253 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :while |-@| > 0 < 1459481041 403238 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Every time I see @ I think ehird. Alas. < 1459481061 385945 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :|©| = -1? < 1459481068 19445 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1459481084 104591 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :|©+k| = -1 - k/©, there's no change there, infact it works with any variable or constant < 1459481086 256560 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: which is also true for @ < 1459481101 141618 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :but |-©| = -1 where |-@| = 1 < 1459481104 638742 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1459481106 269176 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :|n©| = -|n|... hm... < 1459481144 462941 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that might work < 1459481153 390759 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :|©©| = -|©| = 1... interesting, difference already - it almost looks recursive < 1459481156 705434 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i am way to lazy to type a copyright symbol < 1459481162 691473 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :just put c instead < 1459481164 579000 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :|n©| = -|n|, |((©+n)/©)©| = |©+n| = -|((©+n)/©)| < 1459481173 77209 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :whut < 1459481183 172126 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :Different n's, sorry. < 1459481221 500393 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we might as well call it @ and remove out old draft < 1459481233 443629 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, incase © runs into problems too < 1459481240 596615 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :-|((©+n)/©)| = -|1 + n/©|... I don't see how this is still the same as @? < 1459481268 424547 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1459481278 440463 :earendel!~earendel@unaffiliated/earendel PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1459481280 873752 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1459481287 776009 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not the same, but we basically made all the rules up from a wrong first definition < 1459481305 107282 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we might as well change that definition and start over still calling it @ < 1459481347 824520 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see how to unwrap it from the absolute value, though, which could be what makes it work, but still... < 1459481355 174119 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :...sort-of sad. :( < 1459481355 336840 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :|© + k| = |(1 + k/©)/©|. Using the rule where |n©| = -|n|, we get -|1 + k/©| < 1459481361 694080 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or choose some symbol that's on an ordinary keyboard < 1459481382 477290 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :© looks like @ < 1459481387 323041 :earendel!~earendel@unaffiliated/earendel PRIVMSG #esoteric :invariance of @ < 1459481404 646970 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1459481439 113073 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: Use the all-mighty compose key! :P < 1459481451 159056 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :|n©| = -|n|; |© + n| = -|1 + n/©|; |©^n|? < 1459481455 306942 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a pain in the ass on a software keyboard < 1459481476 954954 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: Oh... software keyboard? Those have © somewhere, but yeah, it's annoying to get to usually. < 1459481486 397468 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try clicking and holding on 'c' or 'g'? < 1459481502 145886 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or use c. Or `. Or any symbol, really. :P < 1459481507 513658 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have it in a seperate menu on , < 1459481537 408803 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :|©^n| = -|©^(n-1)| < 1459481539 527435 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :|©^n| = -|©^(n-1)| I thknk. < 1459481542 258575 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/knk/ink/ < 1459481550 973986 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :∆ is also an option < 1459481561 70813 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :But ∆ is taken for small changes. < 1459481563 367013 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :|©^1| = -|©^0| = -1 < 1459481567 920713 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and while we are at it, let's define the ― operation < 1459481580 809379 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :-? Or –? Or —? < 1459481591 562915 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the last < 1459481593 914153 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :|©^2| = -|©^1| = |©^0| = 1 < 1459481604 573338 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed, recursive < 1459481609 307120 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ʒ < 1459481617 656650 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about £. :P < 1459481627 558047 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :¸ < 1459481632 355793 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :& < 1459481636 412545 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :works nice for multiplication < 1459481643 287863 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is a nice symbol for a variable, right: ‰ ? :P < 1459481651 922314 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe & < 1459481670 805455 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :¡ < 1459481689 586183 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :-5 = |5©|... hm... < 1459481711 965185 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :|©^x| is -1 for an odd number but 1 for an even one... weird < 1459481714 225278 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :© works nicely. < 1459481718 774492 :earendel!~earendel@unaffiliated/earendel PRIVMSG #esoteric :(hold ALT) 169 < 1459481718 937277 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sort-of bland, though. < 1459481720 419642 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :|©^0| = 1 works though < 1459481724 359005 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :|©^-1| = -1 < 1459481732 332787 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :|©^-2| = 1 < 1459481741 813889 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :So ©^2 is now 1? < 1459481746 221512 :earendel!~earendel@unaffiliated/earendel PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's a software keyboard? like onscreen interface? < 1459481752 463341 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1459481755 308811 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1459481757 863314 :earendel!~earendel@unaffiliated/earendel PRIVMSG #esoteric :kay. < 1459481764 974975 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty normal on smartphones < 1459481766 392762 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :|©©| = -|©| = 1 < 1459481772 105615 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION takes a break from this to eat some cake
< 1459481774 824898 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's recursive < 1459481778 160209 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :But |1| = 1, therefore ©© = 1 < 1459481779 628744 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1459481790 853758 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is |@©| < 1459481791 509553 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh? < 1459481793 154866 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or ©© = -1... < 1459481798 264730 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :©© = ±1 < 1459481803 182981 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :There. < 1459481823 647332 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :|©| = -|©^0| = |©^-1| < 1459481833 407189 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: :D < 1459481848 165672 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :|©©| = 1, surprisingly < 1459481852 410865 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: Obviously -© = 1 < 1459481866 368728 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :If trying to find |@©| you get that. :P < 1459481877 204109 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I think that's because we don't have a working @. < 1459481902 910953 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :© = 1 or i... depending on the context? :P < 1459481922 740499 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION really goes away now
< 1459481923 716004 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :when did © become i? < 1459481931 364598 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :If ©© = ±1... < 1459481939 900849 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :...I cheated and reversed an absolute value... :P < 1459481945 362544 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :then |©©| = 1...huh, it is < 1459481960 733583 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey < 1459481963 250647 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't do that < 1459481969 574495 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why not? :( < 1459481976 414335 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only way to win is to cheat... < 1459481985 535354 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 = |1| = |-1| = |©©| < 1459481995 181625 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you mean 1 = -1 now? < 1459482014 194590 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't reverse an absolute value, like you did anyway, whether © exists or not < 1459482121 462061 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone else? < 1459482126 202515 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]? < 1459482162 131939 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :we made a modified version of @ called ©, and |x©| = -|x|...hello? < 1459483201 552033 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Sgeo__ @ seems to fail with regards to exponents... at least, it doesn't do too well... < 1459483201 715326 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1459483251 97898 :bender|!benderpc@2404:e800:e61a:41d:d486:9da7:7d5c:34f6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1459483295 841059 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zgrep, what's going on? < 1459483382 339797 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo__: So exponents, as in |@^k|. If we assume that |n@| = -n, and n = (@^k)/@, then |@^k| = -(@^k)/@ = -(@^(k-1)) < 1459483570 882871 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :|@^1| = -(@^0); @^1 = @ (because of https://goo.gl/XMm8lT); So |@| = -1 = -(@^0); so @^0 = 1, so far so good... < 1459483573 319978 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :But... < 1459483651 716972 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :|@^0| = |1| = 1 = -(@^(-1)); so (1/@) = -1. Therefore -@ = 1, and @ = -1... :/ < 1459483682 986162 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo__: Which it isn't. < 1459483710 677755 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any suggestions? < 1459483726 31373 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: Suggested |n©| = -|n|, which seems to do the trick. < 1459483739 255674 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where does |n@| = -n come from? Was that my original definiton, or was it |n@| = -|n|? If i remember my most recent proposed definiton for |a+b@| properly, it would be the second, I think < 1459483797 214913 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo__: I don't know what your original definition was, but I know that I first heard of it as |@| = -1. < 1459483815 489911 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo__: What was your most recent definition? < 1459483873 655365 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :|a+b@| = sqrt(a^2 - b^2) if a^2 - b^2 is positive, i*sqrt(a^2 - b^2) if a^2 - b^2 is negative. Or something like that < 1459483897 797000 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eek. More if statements, atop the absolute value... :( < 1459483959 547948 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :So theoretically I could have |3+4i+5@+6i@|? :D < 1459483973 695359 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure if my definition extends to cover that < 1459483990 192580 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :If a and b can be complex, then yes. < 1459483996 47305 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think. < 1459484052 360980 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :|a+b@| = |√(a²+b²)| ? < 1459484058 391866 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :Err. no. < 1459484066 546511 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :|a+b@| = √(|a²-b²|) ? < 1459484067 440309 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :That? < 1459484116 320690 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :`misle/rn @/|a+b@| = √(|a²-b²|) < 1459484120 997236 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was lied to about «@» < 1459484133 553172 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo is slower than I last recall... < 1459484245 173274 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :...either that, or it's my connection. < 1459484262 743949 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :So |0+1@| = sqrt(|0 - 1|) = 1??? < 1459484291 943926 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :well maybe not??? < 1459484320 686724 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm... or I'm wrong... < 1459484343 681834 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :i*sqrt(a^2-b^2) = i*sqrt(-1) = i^2 = -1... :/ < 1459484382 393492 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :But i = sqrt(-1) so i*sqrt(a^2-b^2) = sqrt(b^2 - a^2), no? < 1459484508 855534 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess not. < 1459484526 729901 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :so @ is a time dimension? < 1459484557 324891 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :But... I*Sqrt[b] == Sqrt[-b] ??? < 1459484568 683242 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I think < 1459484574 964989 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why isn't this working, then? < 1459484592 688304 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno < 1459484602 587892 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :a = 0; b = 1; I*Sqrt[a^2 - b^2] => -1; Sqrt[b^2 - a^2] => 1; :( < 1459484618 691388 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I love the idea of a complex hyperplane that takes place in 2 dimensions of space and 1 of time < 1459484657 617695 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo__: was that your intention? a time dimension? < 1459484685 453560 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that's what a negative result from absolute value ends up being. < 1459484687 701123 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess. < 1459484694 958773 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though not exactly. < 1459484703 357989 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My recent definition of |a+b@| was inspired by the time dimension, which I believe could be described with a numvber # such that |#| = i < 1459484721 257137 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes sense < 1459484749 767137 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :`misle/rn @/|a+b@| = { √(a²-b²) if a²-b² ≥ 0 ; i√(a²-b²) if a²-b² < 0 } < 1459484768 792933 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was lied to about «@» < 1459484791 320221 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :|a + bi + cτ| = √(a² + b² - c²) < 1459484801 504036 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :three dimensional tau space < 1459484807 712184 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :tau representing time dimension < 1459484842 214778 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :|τ| = sqrt(-1) = i, so it fits your definition too < 1459484862 636582 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :a + bi + cj + dk <-- 3 dimensions + time? < 1459484873 277112 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :a + bi + cj - dk < 1459484880 941848 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was close. < 1459484898 896424 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neat. :D < 1459484910 605094 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :the time dimension is negative < 1459484931 952602 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :distance is a measure of how hard it is to get to somewhere, so more time allowed, the easier it is < 1459484945 108972 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool, right? < 1459484987 866762 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm.... hmmmmm.... :D < 1459484997 86563 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :|a + bi + cτ| = √(a² + b² - c²) if √(a² + b² - c²) >= 0, otherwise i√(a² + b² - c²) < 1459485010 270742 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait... so if I have 4τ, then |4τ| = ??? < 1459485017 585091 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahah. < 1459485024 789478 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :4i? < 1459485029 188733 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :Err... not 4i. < 1459485031 200383 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :2i? < 1459485042 222612 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :|4t| = sqrt(-16) = 4i < 1459485044 490567 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :Err. No. I can't think. < 1459485047 730023 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, 4i. < 1459485055 750845 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :But... how is 4i easier than 3i? < 1459485072 970032 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :i is basically the negatives < 1459485092 484872 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :because square roots are like that < 1459485093 143005 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's... why? < 1459485097 56457 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :But... why? < 1459485115 611445 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :because x*x=-1 doesn't have any real solution < 1459485143 539646 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :using my adjusted formula, |4t| = i*sqrt(-16) = 4ii = -4 < 1459485149 451849 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is easier than -3 < 1459485163 846265 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :But... why's it adjusted that way? < 1459485176 411535 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you could say it just, err, is that way... but... < 1459485186 448849 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, there. I see. < 1459485191 50562 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't finish reading the line. < 1459485224 898022 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :but mine is basically the same as Sgeo__'s @ < 1459485245 501042 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :except that I think tau would be a better symbol to fit it than @ < 1459485257 590151 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh. Is this tau known by any other, more widely accepted names? < 1459485263 642147 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :tau / @ / whatever. < 1459485269 808419 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes t < 1459485293 987508 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant more as in, is there a wikipedia page with a snippet about it? Or any other links? < 1459485311 973525 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, idk if anyone thought of it yet < 1459485403 231016 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is pretty neat. < 1459485442 428334 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I did have a similar idea < 1459485458 430803 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :a number y where e^yx = sinh(x) + ycosh(x) < 1459485470 874171 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :tau might fit it < 1459485508 107580 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I guess |@| = -1 after all, since it's time and all < 1459485597 40474 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should read these logs at some point < 1459485613 629850 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm only half paying attention, and it involves stuff I'm involved with < 1459485631 548149 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :we should popularise this @ or tau idea < 1459485640 77243 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be useful < 1459485650 105109 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :tau, or @? < 1459485653 899651 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :both < 1459485656 66149 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're the same < 1459485658 389608 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :tau. < 1459485663 196011 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damn, autocorrect. < 1459485663 358950 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :just different names < 1459485665 596582 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :atau. < 1459485666 116096 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1459485675 336999 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :t@u? :P < 1459485680 721974 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1459485734 719427 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm confused by rdococ's definition... sqrt is always (normally) >= 0 unless comparison is undefined < 1459485757 677400 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should it be read as just a^2 + b^2 - c^2 in the conditional? < 1459485761 864363 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :|a + bi + cτ| = √(a² + b² - c²) if a² + b² - c² >= 0, otherwise i√(a² + b² - c²) < 1459485763 24631 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1459485764 411644 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're right < 1459485781 940185 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's basically the same as yours, with i added on top < 1459485807 189079 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think this kind of stuff is used, just not in this format < 1459485817 94166 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: I'm-a-back < 1459485834 759138 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a way to get the result to be imaginary? Because afaict exactly that is used as the time dimension < 1459485836 72501 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, since it's mostly position, not rotation, if we add a third dimension they don't have to be quarternions < 1459485853 128384 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :then just remove the conditional < 1459485889 149069 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo__: With @? < 1459485890 507055 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But then we exclude negatives < 1459485904 652058 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo__: |$| = i -> $ = -i@ < 1459485910 575031 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :|a + bi + c@ + d#| = ? < 1459485910 789200 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :what would it mean for the result to be imaginary? < 1459485921 632956 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo__: What's #? < 1459485936 668670 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :|#| = i < 1459485943 973997 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo__: That's just -i@ < 1459485947 934315 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :what would # mean then? < 1459485964 613006 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :|n@| = -n < 1459485974 344190 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: Whatever we like < 1459485980 400269 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: time? < 1459485982 515005 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo__: You mean this thing? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quaternion < 1459485985 323651 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: It doesn't /have/ to mean something < 1459485996 51102 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], there's an argument for why |n@| = -n is not a good idea < 1459486002 321023 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo__: Why? < 1459486012 173997 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that |n@| = -|n| makes more sense. Something to do with exponentiation < 1459486016 197016 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: yeah, but if it's part of a system where everything else means something, then it's weird < 1459486022 435722 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo__: Ah, good point < 1459486025 373481 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had the |n@| = -|n| idea < 1459486040 428874 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/VqUBVapD/ < 1459486041 174891 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :before we realized it was about the time dimension < 1459486076 823651 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm still convinced that $ or # is time and @ or tau is something else < 1459486094 270699 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1459486114 807232 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zgrep: Ah, fair enough < 1459486121 459787 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :distance is a measure of how easy it is to get to somewhere < 1459486131 517216 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo__: What're $ and #? < 1459486143 301337 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you need to be there in a larger time, then it's easier because you have more time to spare < 1459486152 785259 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo__: Also, we need to standardize terms instead of saying "x or y" < 1459486153 98527 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], you just tried to define $ which I tended to call # < 1459486159 875843 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo__: Ah < 1459486160 302920 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that's why tau makes distances lower - getting over there in a day is easier than a minute < 1459486181 462645 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes sense? < 1459486185 346091 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's used in other areas < 1459486194 13333 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :time as a negative dimension isn't a new idea < 1459486199 494853 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo__: How about we give all the esonums Georgian names? < 1459486213 805220 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :georgian? < 1459486221 574002 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: http://www.alanwood.net/unicode/georgian.html < 1459486229 708704 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: Georgia the country, not the state < 1459486245 691676 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :georgia is a state? < 1459486246 345617 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: Greek letters are waaaaaaay overused, and Hebrew is reserved for cardinality < 1459486249 212345 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: Yes < 1459486253 357947 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: Also a country < 1459486259 623486 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: Two different places, though < 1459486262 183571 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have an even better idea < 1459486263 786243 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :letter t < 1459486269 845182 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :|a + bi + ct| = √(a² + b² - c²) if a² + b² - c² >= 0, otherwise i√(a² + b² - c²) < 1459486287 468372 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ⴓ is @ < 1459486315 332556 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But... neoletters doesn't render Goergian. Of course. < 1459486324 662841 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :my chat does < 1459486332 451476 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: OH! < 1459486333 421252 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm sticking with t < 1459486338 744291 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's wrong with @ similar to ai for something similar to i except with absolute < 1459486339 889853 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: Why don't we name them with emoji? < 1459486346 88114 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: you should update your neoletters < 1459486361 361274 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, I doubt neoletters renders emoji either < 1459486362 697873 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: OK < 1459486365 819828 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's supported Georgian for a while < 1459486367 914043 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :3:-D + 2;-) < 1459486369 186152 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: Linky? I don't remember where it is < 1459486378 243411 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: Those are emo/ticons/ < 1459486384 997113 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1459486390 155644 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :does this chat even support emojis? < 1459486396 348418 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://orenwatson.be/fontdemo.htm < 1459486400 261764 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, found it < 1459486408 370192 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: It supports Unicode, so yes < 1459486433 519338 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some clients might not display it nicely < 1459486460 737154 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo__: Perhaps < 1459486487 217403 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1459486497 272761 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococAbs[a_, b_, c_] := Module[{s}, s = a^2 + b^2 - c^2; If[s < 0, I*Sqrt[s], Sqrt[s]]] < 1459486513 730916 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459486528 557928 :Kaynato!~Aedile@cpe-173-88-230-28.neo.res.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1459486534 629092 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :zgrep: yep < 1459486544 532767 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Come oooooooon georg- nope < 1459486549 344985 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: I can't get it to install < 1459486553 33156 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I download the latest ttf < 1459486569 893182 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Open the "THE QUICK BROWN FOX JUMPS OVER THE LAZY DOG" window that Windows gives me (sorry) < 1459486571 461214 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Click install < 1459486577 226650 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Say yes when it asks to replace the font < 1459486580 742944 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't update < 1459486588 427439 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo__: if $ was time, then what's # or t? < 1459486595 235595 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :@* < 1459486595 400402 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you meant: v @ ? . < 1459486597 336147 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :try restarting your caht app < 1459486601 896600 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :chat app < 1459486602 797466 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/#/@ < 1459486623 408951 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ, not really sure. A time dimension that doesn't get weird past the speed of light? < 1459486634 160526 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or it gets weird in a different way from reality < 1459486667 316905 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: I did. That was the login-logout < 1459486685 106869 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo__: c = \omega < 1459486688 76022 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :|$| = i, but |t| = -1... what is imaginary distance anyway < 1459486688 238808 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo__: Fixed. < 1459486738 707076 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :try setting your font to another one and back to neoletters? < 1459486754 844764 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do that in my terminal each time I update it < 1459486803 49670 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1459486817 174792 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable = 26 < 1459486826 517970 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would rolling my own IRC client be a bad idea? < 1459486839 420785 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1459486857 788852 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :IRC is a very simple protocol, easy to implement < 1459486866 706644 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: That didn't work < 1459486875 937917 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd use ii as a foundation < 1459486928 952282 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :h,, < 1459486934 568881 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are well-known libraries in Perl and Python for IRC < 1459486941 606880 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :toiiredp < 1459486954 305684 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: SEGMENTATION FAULT < 1459486962 130016 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh? < 1459486972 460395 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: yeah, IRC is fairly easy to write a client for < 1459486976 450718 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :look at the sheer number of bots < 1459486984 364080 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://tools.suckless.org/ii/ < 1459487112 735409 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :t*t = ? < 1459487139 357603 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\, can you guess which is the number 3 and which is the russian letter 'eh'? https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/YIDcIFry/3eh.png < 1459487152 338586 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :Without trying it yourself, that is. :P < 1459487209 492326 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd say the left one is a 3 < 1459487271 678116 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am getting sleepy < 1459487278 901277 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: you are correct < 1459487506 841067 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :neoletters also has ↋ƐɛɜɝꜾꜿεЄԐԑЗз < 1459487510 936525 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :should I implement t into Squeak? < 1459487558 45969 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is t*t? < 1459487632 770043 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :|a + bi + cj + ... + zt| = √(a² + b² + c² + ... - z²) if a² + b² + c² + ... - z² >= 0, otherwise i√(a² + b² + c² + ... - z²) < 1459487642 162043 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :generalized to n dimensions < 1459487677 773505 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :but help me discover t*t < 1459487756 992961 :Lilly_Goodman!~canaima@181.34.42.134 JOIN :#esoteric < 1459487808 853350 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :|1 + 1i + 2t| = isqrt(1 + 1 - 4) = -2 < 1459487871 438842 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat JOIN :#esoteric < 1459487875 113941 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1459487886 528560 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :-sqrt(2)* < 1459487896 575806 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :update on hexadec: made a "reduced" form < 1459487896 738592 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: make sure in the font menu you select neoletters Regular? < 1459487910 846159 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: I believe I did < 1459487911 448129 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastebin.com/49wLRcB3 < 1459487923 192635 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Normal < 1459487947 404051 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb < 1459487992 241246 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: well that's a prblem. it should be "Regular" nd not "Normal" < 1459488003 77610 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: There is no "Regular" < 1459488009 396741 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: So I assume Regular = Normal < 1459488027 116647 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the earlier versions had "Normal" the newer ones have "Regular" < 1459488093 639024 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm maybe go to the controlpanel->fonts and find neoletters and delete it? < 1459488263 436111 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :back < 1459488288 16655 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, um, does the language make any sense now? < 1459488301 917800 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm I wonder why installing the new version over the old doesn't work when the naming of the subfonts changed? < 1459488315 222275 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :spooky < 1459488563 772936 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this a bad time to ask about a language i made? < 1459488579 809703 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you help me determine what t*t is? < 1459488580 914114 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :|a + bi + ct| = √(a² + b² - c²) if a² + b² - c² >= 0, otherwise i√(a² + b² - c²) < 1459488592 219982 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :t^2? < 1459488608 347828 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, yes, but < 1459488612 763378 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's t^2? < 1459488612 926071 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dang. Perl6 has a bunch of neat things it can do... http://tpm2016.zoffix.com/ < 1459488620 315754 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't seem to figure it out < 1459488687 42268 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, how is getting to (5, 5) in 6 seconds as easy as getting to 50, 50 in 51 seconds? < 1459488705 506241 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :|a + bi + ct| = √(a² + b² / c²) if a² + b² / c² >= 0, otherwise i√(a² + b² / c²) < 1459488720 181555 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: Well, what's t? < 1459488739 192444 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :|5, 5i, 6t| = sqrt(25 + 25 / 36) = sqrt(50 / 36) < 1459488772 528844 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :but wait < 1459488783 363710 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :if we do < 1459488783 995744 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :|a + bi + ct| = √(a² + b² - c²) if a² + b² - c² >= 0, otherwise i√(a² + b² - c²) < 1459488787 881356 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :(5*sqrt(2)) / (50*sqrt(2)) == 1/10 < 1459488802 977019 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococAbs[5, 5, 6] = Sqrt[14] < 1459488805 453770 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :6/51 != 1/10 < 1459488817 52547 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry < 1459488825 44222 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not good at math < 1459488860 45591 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :passed calc 1 by sucking up during the last 5 weeks < 1459488881 433069 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :passed calc 2 by dropping out of college < 1459488887 544829 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :then |1 + 1i + 2t| = sqrt(1 + 1 - 4) = sqrt(-2) but |2 + 2i + 4t| = sqrt(4 + 4 - 16) = sqrt(...oh < 1459488895 936533 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1459488906 302848 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :-8? < 1459488906 554350 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococAbs[1, 1, 2] = -Sqrt[2] < 1459488922 488581 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ik < 1459488940 421517 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :should it be - c^2 or / c^2? < 1459488957 320356 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococAbs is written with - c^2... division? < 1459488969 142958 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :|a + bi + ct| = √(a² + b² / c²) < 1459488984 159027 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :getting there in 5 seconds is twice as hard as 10 seconds, same as if you double the distance < 1459488985 927671 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just b/c? < 1459488992 826183 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1459488994 597977 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or (a^2+b^2)/(c^2) < 1459488998 673824 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1459489017 651303 :Lilly_Goodman!~canaima@181.34.42.134 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1459489023 639107 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that will work better < 1459489034 378294 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococAbs2[1, 2, I] = -Sqrt[5] :P < 1459489063 602659 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, Abs2[1, 1, 2] should be 1 + 1 / 4, or 1/2 < 1459489071 517250 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1459489092 79066 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :|1 + 1i + 2t| = sqrt(1 + 1 / 4) = sqrt(1/2) < 1459489116 709291 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :|2 + 2i + 4t| = sqrt(4 + 4 / 16) = sqrt(1/2) < 1459489121 48565 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1459489124 7067 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :it works as intended < 1459489188 293357 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/Sqrt[2] < 1459489193 625762 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :Abs2[1,1,2] ^ < 1459489206 16587 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1459489220 45488 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :what software are you using? Mathematica? < 1459489222 717718 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep. < 1459489225 736540 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it free? < 1459489230 856921 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately, no. < 1459489235 759139 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :how much does it cost? < 1459489240 793644 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :Too much. < 1459489251 463175 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :really? < 1459489255 767028 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get it free, courtesy of school. < 1459489266 59724 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ask how much money something will cost and you give me the vaguest answer. < 1459489271 115811 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :-.- < 1459489288 192372 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.wolfram.com/mathematica/pricing/ < 1459489295 688388 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1459489296 346371 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ty < 1459489310 348501 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :See, pricy. < 1459489313 874861 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/cy/cey/ :P < 1459489338 15798 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though technically, your function is easily written in K... < 1459489356 597516 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1459489363 602210 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :or any other language really < 1459489378 378108 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :just need to figure out t*t < 1459489414 347901 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, multiplying by a unit like 1, i or t should keep the magnitude the same < 1459489422 898413 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :so |x| = |x*t| < 1459489433 479345 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait < 1459489439 272580 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait yeah < 1459489440 560717 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1459489543 906828 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :great.... |x|-rated conversation < 1459489558 684058 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heheh... < 1459489606 712588 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1459489613 599142 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :a space angle is rotation < 1459489618 1975 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :a space time angle is velocity < 1459489618 587536 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: Mathematica can *sometimes* be fed into Mathics, and perhaps even into WolframAlpha sometimes. < 1459489681 395710 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathics is this thing: https://mathics.angusgriffith.com/ < 1459489733 563889 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :K? < 1459489748 721404 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lyka: kparc.com/k.txt < 1459489766 458032 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I don't know if it'd work with imaginary numbers. It wasn't exactly designed for those, I don't think. < 1459489773 128167 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K_%28programming_language%29 < 1459489882 734884 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1459490020 892159 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :|x| = infinity < 1459490029 389549 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :|x + t| = x < 1459490038 272638 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :1* < 1459490043 984920 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :x* < 1459490095 126281 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :solve for x where x^0 != 1 < 1459490364 554529 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION imagines sheep with numbers on them
< 1459490370 82250 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :night < 1459490380 209616 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PART :#esoteric < 1459491014 458296 :lambda-11235!~lambda-11@47.208.113.50 QUIT :Quit: Bye < 1459491250 74653 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :hhbhb so t ired## < 1459491402 918887 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Internet is full of April's fools jokes now. http://www.questionablecontent.net/ has one. < 1459491920 694366 :evalj!~jeval@catv-89-133-135-148.catv.broadband.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1459492336 582617 :hppavilion[2]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459492529 651428 :impomatic_!~digital_w@85.8.189.80.dyn.plus.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459492543 552076 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1459492545 545796 :dos!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459492765 390631 :hppavilion[2]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1459493343 659599 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Quit: 1 found in /dev/zero < 1459493407 831476 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :In underload, is it possible to store data in the source code at four bits per source code character density such that the program can decode it unambiguously? < 1459494485 544103 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's possible. I'll have to try to make a proof. < 1459494554 681051 :dos!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone should write a Hello, World with 1000000% cruft, MVC, etc. < 1459494561 842121 :dos!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net NICK :hppavilion[1] < 1459494588 441559 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :AbstractPrinterFactory() < 1459494642 229394 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Evil14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46711&oldid=46710 5* 03Kc kennylau 5* (+47) 10/* 0 to 255 using only a, e, u, z (To be completed) */ < 1459494709 195559 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:feff:ff:fe00:316b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Today's GG is probably very good for certain shippers < 1459494792 259355 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could we atomize MVC even further? < 1459494798 451188 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :MVCQDNX? < 1459494813 29323 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :To make something even more atrocious < 1459494824 584110 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: I'm absolutely certain that's been done... http://www.ariel.com.au/jokes/The_Evolution_of_a_Programmer.html < 1459494963 483323 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zgrep: Perhaps we should make the world's most absurdly bloated Beginning Projects Repo < 1459494980 515311 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :With officially-named and trademarked programs < 1459494986 711885 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: https://github.com/fwilson42/SimpleJavaEasyNumber < 1459494992 264877 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Industrial strenght, of course < 1459495080 200756 :evalj!~jeval@catv-89-133-135-148.catv.broadband.hu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1459495834 403753 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1459498029 499158 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/snoopavision?v=MU39xSNukfg < 1459499090 21729 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1459501705 95316 :heroux!~heroux@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-lafonrljumtrwrou QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1459501761 524335 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-oxlzmecvkauseanp JOIN :#esoteric < 1459502435 811232 :Deepfriedice!~Deepfried@CPE-123-211-128-64.lnse3.woo.bigpond.net.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1459503009 54171 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@82.144.205.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1459503098 726863 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ord '=' < 1459503100 236980 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 61 < 1459503115 537371 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages- < 1459503115 700417 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily asked 8h 39m 14s ago: do you feel matched? < 1459503124 298289 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell boily No. < 1459503124 461176 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1459503250 485573 :J_Arcane_!~chatzilla@37-219-247-15.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1459503393 896506 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-5-127.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1459503394 608148 :J_Arcane_!~chatzilla@37-219-247-15.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi NICK :J_Arcane < 1459503436 288666 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION realizes he just did something he's been annoyed at others doing.
< 1459503447 241375 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell boily RE: matching. < 1459503447 404309 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1459503603 393552 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: You're unmatched? < 1459503612 54630 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1459503629 390993 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in so many ways < 1459503799 57478 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heheh. < 1459503837 228942 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's both happy and sad. :| < 1459503881 469798 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1459505198 357984 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Later < 1459505996 585626 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/oswg-member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess unmatched is better than mismatched (maybe( < 1459506007 323985 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/oswg-member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, that should probably have been (maybe] < 1459506661 104398 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there any vim users here? Vim has a jump list where it tracks big moves, but that's not really what I need. Is there an edit location list where I can find the places I've edited in the file previously? < 1459506686 19800 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: Agh! [))) < 1459506742 105309 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/oswg-member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: well, it has an undo tree that you can query for some info, maybe it includes position < 1459506748 990430 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/oswg-member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't know how to use it though < 1459506794 977252 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/oswg-member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a plugin called gundo that visualizes the undo tree and allows you to jump around in it < 1459506849 917552 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd like commands like prevpos and nextpos in joe-editor, which let me quickly jump to places of previous edits. It's very convenient but few editors seem to have it. < 1459506866 292097 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lets you avoid setting bookmarks a lot. < 1459506884 412520 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/oswg-member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds useful, yeah < 1459506937 156229 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/oswg-member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://stackoverflow.com/a/2131407/1267058 oh. < 1459506944 18818 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1459507035 772075 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: ah, that says g, might do that < 1459507069 495061 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/oswg-member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems to work, toyed around with it a bit < 1459507070 708298 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :g ; for previous and g , for next. strange assignments < 1459507102 996898 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they make sense < 1459507105 9513 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/oswg-member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably related to the ; , commands that repeat f/F/t/T forwward/backward < 1459507124 314203 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/oswg-member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :But vim's assignments can be pretty weird and arbitrary sometimes < 1459507144 871597 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/oswg-member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could always remap them to something else prefixed by if you prefer < 1459507766 27822 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :g? is the best g. < 1459507914 517370 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@massages-loud < 1459507914 720122 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan said 1h 19m 50s ago: No. < 1459507914 720264 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan said 1h 14m 27s ago: RE: matching. < 1459508046 440134 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1459508643 201611 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-247-15.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1459508939 463101 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-247-15.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1459509796 430256 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: HELICAL CHICKEN < 1459511966 362519 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459512219 356549 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1459513628 179582 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1459513772 693370 :Deepfriedice!~Deepfried@CPE-123-211-128-64.lnse3.woo.bigpond.net.au QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1459514356 369490 :Reece`!~nothing@cpc4-wiga13-2-0-cust799.18-3.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459514363 267016 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@82.144.205.57 QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1459514462 96826 :shikhin!shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1459514634 704881 :shikhin!shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1459514997 710485 :shikhin!shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1459515023 145791 :hydraz!matheus@unaffiliated/demhydraz QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1459515089 584575 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1459515107 102953 :shikhin!shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1459515115 414100 :hydraz!matheus@heddw.ch JOIN :#esoteric < 1459515116 641759 :hydraz!matheus@heddw.ch QUIT :Changing host < 1459515116 804709 :hydraz!matheus@unaffiliated/demhydraz JOIN :#esoteric < 1459515234 261072 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459515646 36065 :shikhin!shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1459515796 60919 :shikhin!shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1459515919 689575 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly JOIN :#esoteric < 1459516024 165582 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1459516907 354744 :bender|!benderpc@2404:e800:e61a:41d:d486:9da7:7d5c:34f6 QUIT :Changing host < 1459516907 517632 :bender|!benderpc@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 JOIN :#esoteric < 1459518119 356349 :spiette!~spiette@x-132-204-251-254.xtpr.umontreal.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1459518396 367800 :p34k!~p34k@nat-wh-wz4-12.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1459518829 954181 :impomatic_!~digital_w@85.8.189.80.dyn.plus.net QUIT :Quit: http://corewar.co.uk < 1459518844 396264 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@194.108.5.201 QUIT :Quit: *bubbles away* < 1459518868 560985 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@194.108.5.201 JOIN :#esoteric < 1459520292 512531 :bender|!benderpc@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1459521345 823488 :asie!~asie@asie.pl QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 1.4 < 1459521487 58693 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459521784 62029 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1459522149 907103 :Kaynato!~Aedile@casewireless03.CWRU.Edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1459523135 49952 :lambda-11235!~lambda-11@47.208.113.50 JOIN :#esoteric < 1459523493 936328 :Kaynato!~Aedile@casewireless03.CWRU.Edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1459524256 593275 :Kaynato!~Aedile@casewireless03.CWRU.Edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1459524762 137709 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :|a + ct| = √(a² / c²) < 1459524767 794865 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what is t*t? < 1459524776 779864 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, < 1459524815 885090 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :|1 + tt| = sqrt(1 / t^2) < 1459525072 419932 :Kaynato!~Aedile@casewireless03.CWRU.Edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1459525447 797086 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you resolve ©? < 1459525537 517036 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo told us that @ was inspired by time dimension and so we come up with |a + bt| = √(a² / b²) = |a|/|b| --- the last part was someone else's idea from another channel < 1459525718 944936 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :so |tt| = |0|/|t| < 1459525813 658964 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :you going to help? < 1459526147 750157 :mihow!~mihow@c-73-67-227-118.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459528095 960898 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wpa-6-841.cc.umanitoba.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1459528123 910220 :Reece`!~nothing@cpc4-wiga13-2-0-cust799.18-3.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1459528288 992726 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wpa-6-841.cc.umanitoba.ca QUIT :Client Quit < 1459528351 34815 :Kaynato!~Aedile@casewireless03.CWRU.Edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1459528360 961459 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://senseis.xmp.net/?TerritoryScoringOnGoServersConsideredHarmful oh em gee < 1459528367 972422 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :considered harmful essays everywhere < 1459528596 883372 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :|a + bt| = √(a² / b²) = |a|/|b| < 1459528649 573110 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459528730 674698 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: help me with this- |a + bt| = √(a² / b²) = |a|/|b| < 1459528736 152230 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to find out t^2 < 1459528746 914397 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: OK < 1459528763 394528 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: You don't have ANY constants < 1459528780 5404 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: Try defining a and b to appropriate numbers and working from there < 1459528790 516074 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, t is like i but different < 1459528799 199246 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: |t|=-1, right? < 1459528824 183143 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :|t| = sqrt(0 / 1) = |0|/|1| = 0 now < 1459528844 478125 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :and |a + 0t| = sqrt(a^2 / 0) = sqrt(infinity) < 1459528852 248591 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: If |t|=0, then doesn't that just make t=0? < 1459528864 64220 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really < 1459528864 958713 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: Or t=k < 1459528872 692796 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :|a + 0| =/= |a + 0t| < 1459528873 692205 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(k^2=0, k!=0) < 1459528877 882387 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1459528888 446454 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, wait < 1459528906 347010 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :|a + 0| = |a + 0t| < 1459528908 936409 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1459528911 342703 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1459528913 993580 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ye < 1459528929 608939 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :|0| = sqrt(0/0) = ??? < 1459528932 996169 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1459528936 542536 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :|t| = sqrt(0/1) = 0 < 1459528939 596140 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"And now there is non-binary sex. I guess that would be "analog sex"..." < 1459528945 899810 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :in my system |0| =/= 0 < 1459528957 320351 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/"analog sex"/\\"analog sex\\"/ < 1459528976 616740 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so... |2t| = 0, but |t + t| = -1 < 1459528981 849314 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(sex is gender in this case, not the act between bored teenagers) < 1459528995 884131 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :|t + t| = sqrt(0 / 2^2) = 0 < 1459529003 566599 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :2t = t+t < 1459529006 544103 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: How does |0| != 0? What's |0|? < 1459529011 735999 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :|a + bt| = √(a² / b²) = |a|/|b| < 1459529026 381949 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :|0| = sqrt(0 / 0) < 1459529036 960472 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in t+t, a is t and b is 1, in 2t, a is 0 and b is 2 < 1459529041 788011 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ignore the |a|/|b| < 1459529081 668870 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :|t + t| = sqrt(t^2 / 1) = t... < 1459529101 243893 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: So |0| = r for all r in R < 1459529103 845599 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :|2t| = sqrt(0 / 4) = |t + t| = sqrt(t^2 / 1) < 1459529108 71479 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: yes < 1459529111 928817 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: 0/0 can be said to equal any R < 1459529131 865171 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :sqrt(0 / 4) = sqrt(t^2) = t...??????? what < 1459529141 903506 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 = t < 1459529149 234012 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :wth < 1459529167 664693 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :my original definition was |a + bt| = √(a² - b²) < 1459529244 591782 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that would make it as easy to go 10000 miles in 10001 seconds than to go 1 miles in 2 seconds, whereas the second one is much harder < 1459529253 999169 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I changed it to |a + bt| = √(a² / b²) < 1459529314 37647 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: One of the benefits of @ that t seems to lack is that @ is logical and straightforward; it just has one little gotcha that makes it different, but that can be explained in a single equation with exactly 1 operation (assuming -1 is syntactically a number, not "apply negation to 1") < 1459529328 360986 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :|@| = -1? < 1459529330 512088 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ can be explained as |@| = -1 < 1459529332 548157 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: Yes < 1459529337 625115 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1459529342 283474 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: You are yet to clearly explain t to me. < 1459529353 218038 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: And you have to establish all these other rules in the process < 1459529359 537423 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i has the same property: i^2 = -1 < 1459529370 865914 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :we recently found out that sgeo's latest definition for @ is |a + b@| = √(a² - b²) < 1459529384 222501 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are other subtleties, but the straightforward part of i is just i=sqrt(-1) < 1459529386 569001 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: Really? < 1459529388 862263 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: OK... < 1459529391 173177 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently < 1459529393 179698 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think < 1459529394 734525 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :idk < 1459529398 284148 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :but |@| = -1 < 1459529402 971026 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: That's actually pretty interesting < 1459529417 790566 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :|bt| = √(0² / b²) = 0 < 1459529421 319159 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: And much moer useful than the original < 1459529441 707228 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's not exactly the same as t < 1459529444 756181 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: But why the division? < 1459529456 743874 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: You have to explain that too < 1459529467 614809 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: it should be equal difficulty to go 100 miles in 200 seconds as it is to go 10 miles in 20 seconds, t does this but @ doesn't < 1459529486 849763 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: Beautiful esonums can be explained as a single operation on them equaling a number that operation usually cannot produce < 1459529502 378816 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :|10 + 20t| = |100 + 200t| but |10 + 20@| =/= |100 + 200@| < 1459529514 294878 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1459529525 620465 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: Good point, I guess < 1459529533 37248 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why I changed it to / < 1459529582 886572 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :another idea I had was e^fx = sinh(x) + rcosh(x) where the esonum is f < 1459529591 389494 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/rcosh/fcosh/ < 1459529601 20380 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :hyperbolic sine and cosine < 1459529612 230040 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's a hyperbolic i < 1459529618 961118 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :should I change the definition to that? < 1459529651 912748 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :we REALLY need to make templates compile faster < 1459529654 816192 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@1 < 1459529654 978928 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Say again? < 1459529659 971840 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@1 What < 1459529660 134777 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :W|-|4T < 1459529670 91834 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1459529672 657760 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1459529681 845022 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@1337 I see < 1459529682 7841 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :i seE < 1459529719 826885 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@1337 i am a leet haxor < 1459529719 989793 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :I 4M A leE+ Hax0r < 1459529736 329490 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not leet enough < 1459529792 348170 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :e ͭ ͯ = sinh(x) + tcosh(x) < 1459529800 312290 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :like this new idea? < 1459529936 165433 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1] < 1459530020 27246 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: Yes? < 1459530024 445125 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: Sorry, I vanished < 1459530029 81429 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about this instead - e ͭ ͯ = sinh(x) + tcosh(x) < 1459530045 901546 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: The two characters after e aren't rendering < 1459530060 412409 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1459530068 200618 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: Ah, it's e^tx < 1459530081 202703 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :how'd you figure it out? < 1459530098 792466 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: My browser still renders them, and I have the godlike powers of COPY AND PASTE < 1459530123 866035 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :e^tx = sinh(x) + tcosh(x) < 1459530132 596919 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyways < 1459530139 896034 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you think the idea is better than my other one? < 1459530166 670040 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: It might be, I don't know < 1459530171 689228 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure there isn't already a t which matches there < 1459530188 591468 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Does e^jpi = 1? < 1459530189 227676 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the t is an esonum < 1459530192 423391 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion ypu really neeed an update < 1459530200 111712 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean e^tpi? < 1459530203 733793 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: I tried < 1459530207 178451 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: what's j < 1459530211 377129 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: No < 1459530215 816614 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where j^2 = 1, j != 1 < 1459530220 683889 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1459530227 68311 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I was typing it, but people kept talking :P < 1459530246 733097 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :try deleting the font in the vontrl$panel and reintaling it < 1459530271 271890 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry fpr bad spelibg[im on my phone < 1459530286 150938 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: try plugging it into the series for e^x, that's my goto-definition for whether that makes sense. < 1459530305 289496 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(of course then you have to define the limits too) < 1459530319 320174 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila JOIN :#esoteric < 1459530320 323650 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1459530335 870824 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Need to close hc to delete it < 1459530337 141365 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1459530343 46047 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [(exp x, sinh x + cosh x) | x <- [0, 0.1 ..]] < 1459530344 512431 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : [(1.0,1.0),(1.1051709180756477,1.1051709180756475),(1.2214027581601699,1.221... < 1459530350 510780 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :thought so < 1459530357 853115 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: t = 1 hth < 1459530397 587913 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :e^1x = sinh(x) + cosh(x)? < 1459530403 446028 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459530404 129928 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the build failed again < 1459530420 519065 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: I deleted neoletters < 1459530427 788218 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: Had to close HC and NP++ < 1459530436 769992 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :@_@ < 1459530442 759257 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: It didn't work, at least for ͭ ͯ < 1459530449 12273 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And yes, I reinstalled) < 1459530492 298725 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :e^tx = sinh(x) + tcosh(x), t =/= 1 < 1459530508 541875 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: Also, the name changed from "normal" to "medium" < 1459530545 776296 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: good it shoukd at least work with georgian noe < 1459530553 965181 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: the hyperbolic functions are pretty much what you get when you take the expressions for the trigonometric ones in terms of exp and remove i's everywhere < 1459530572 843009 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ill add those superscripts[when i get home ftom work < 1459530576 751455 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: Oh, it does :) < 1459530577 163544 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [(exp (-x), sinh x - cosh x) | x <- [0, 0.1 ..]] -- testing another < 1459530578 627600 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : [(1.0,-1.0),(0.9048374180359595,-0.9048374180359595),(0.8187307530779818,-0.... < 1459530583 74763 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: Yay! It actually did update! < 1459530587 332196 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1459530594 591280 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does time rotation work < 1459530599 110202 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm needs switching order, i think < 1459530620 999018 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(In retrospect, the reason it wouldn't update the font was probably because I had applications with it open < 1459530749 232439 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In other news, the new s is bugging me :P < 1459530758 301088 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@check \x -> exp x == sinh x + cosh (x :: Double) -- wondering if ghc uses this exactly < 1459530759 488216 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : :1:103: < 1459530759 651074 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : parse error (possibly incorrect indentation or mismatched brackets) < 1459530762 934806 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn < 1459530775 116268 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah i did a tesy it is a bug in windows where it won't ovrwrite a otf with a ttf < 1459530808 654800 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@check \x -> exp x == sinh x + cosh (x :: Double) < 1459530810 164205 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : *** Failed! Falsifiable (after 3 tests and 4 shrinks): < 1459530810 326907 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2.4646339992384982 < 1459530817 463139 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm apparently not < 1459530817 713366 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :for some goddamn reason < 1459530832 796169 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about this instead? t = i^2, t =/= -1 < 1459530911 565337 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: that violates basic equality laws, which are logic not arithmetic. < 1459530935 661430 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see that stopping any other people from doing stuff like it < 1459530945 712535 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :thataway lies NaN and other madness. < 1459530952 192299 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :like I saw an esonum where q^2 = 1 but q =/= 1 < 1459530965 916646 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: That's different < 1459530970 228488 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: And it's called "j" < 1459530985 355756 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: that doesn't violate equality. you can have as many solutions to q^2 = 1 as you want in a general algebra. < 1459530999 652750 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: It's one of the three 2d real algebras (or something) < 1459531005 912245 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course it won't be a field if there's more than two. < 1459531010 983064 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: The other two are the complexes and k, which is like j but for 0 < 1459531013 684810 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :?????? < 1459531042 441125 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: so why can't I do sqrt(t) = i then and t =/= -1? < 1459531047 617588 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: but t = i^2 and i^2 = -1 imply t = -1 from pure logic. < 1459531074 403056 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :q^2 = 1 and sqrt(1) = q < 1459531089 168003 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :mine isn't any different < 1459531095 661100 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :?????????????????????????????????? < 1459531130 856864 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :or ti = -i, but t =/= -1 < 1459531168 301668 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: because sqrt a = x, is not the unique solution to x^2 = a, but if you don't have (sqrt a)^2 = a then it's not a square root. < 1459531194 239041 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :hw about this < 1459531199 688748 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :start with the ring Z < 1459531207 463607 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :then take the 'algebraic esoclosure' < 1459531213 742887 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, I'm using the ti = -i definition along with t =/= -1 < 1459531220 684277 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is where you add infinityl many distinct solutions to every algebraic equation < 1459531226 44180 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: the point is, to get i^2 to be t you have to redefine i^2 which already exists. < 1459531252 939389 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh... < 1459531255 281871 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh... < 1459531268 770376 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you think? < 1459531271 216128 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there's nothing stopping me from breaking that rule and giving it two solutions < 1459531276 401365 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1459531280 582668 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :but anyway < 1459531305 468323 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ti = -i but t =/= -1... < 1459531316 939233 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1459531320 657721 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah nevermind < 1459531370 562708 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: ok, just define 2+2 = t while you're at it. < 1459531392 236371 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes good idea < 1459531395 250037 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 + 2 = t < 1459531397 96517 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :t - 2 = 2 < 1459531399 978914 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :t / 2 = 2 < 1459531402 435063 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1459531403 724724 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :t * 2 = 2 < 1459531407 20477 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :t / 5 = 2 < 1459531447 904955 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: way ahead of you, it seems. < 1459531453 128483 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1459531460 118309 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or perhaps crashing high speed into the same point. < 1459531507 69375 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(as usual, the real challenge is to end up with anything actually interesting.) < 1459531540 348152 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than a chaotic mess where everything is equally true. < 1459531560 907843 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :0=1 < 1459531632 582512 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :make it 1=2 and we can summon pope russell < 1459531639 683745 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :sin(q) = 2 < 1459531640 962694 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459531652 935594 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop vanishing < 1459531660 773066 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :sin(q) = 2 < 1459531703 200726 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sin(e) q(ua) non < 1459531723 362579 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1459531761 389721 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :here it says that in the Minkowski metric, time is imaginary < 1459531779 176305 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :|x + (y + ti)i| < 1459531816 868077 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :|x + (y + ti)i| = |x + yi - t|... < 1459531892 531960 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :sine qua omnes est < 1459531926 871510 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :im no good at latin < 1459532027 722654 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION summons john cleese to teach quintopia
< 1459532061 795963 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :WITHOUT WHICH THEY ALL IT IS? < 1459532095 175561 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually the IT is redundant < 1459532097 598245 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :DANCE THE WAX TADPOLE < 1459532110 876863 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: *BITE < 1459532126 982232 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: THAT's what it is < 1459532206 856952 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote bite the wax tadpole < 1459532240 929855 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1274) bite the wax tadpole < 1459532631 124811 :Kaynato!~Aedile@casewireless03.CWRU.Edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1459532800 415947 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1459532821 965856 :Kaynato!~Aedile@casewireless02.CWRU.Edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1459533373 767404 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"female horse fastened with wax" < 1459533428 849779 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i probably meant sine qua omnia est < 1459533448 713212 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: still using a singular verb, there < 1459533477 165165 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just changed the gender of omnia < 1459533477 328050 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it's fastened with a staple < 1459533490 882347 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think omnia is singular < 1459533495 990016 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is in english < 1459533507 29843 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1459533507 880650 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: no, it is neuter plural nominative < 1459533512 443647 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1459533517 632059 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :omnia is plural in nominative, accusative, and vocative < 1459533519 389064 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :fine have your sunt < 1459533545 717062 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/omnis#Declension < 1459533551 982942 :Caesura!~Aedile@casewireless02.CWRU.Edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1459533557 679178 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i dont really want omnia thrn < 1459533568 751987 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? thrn < 1459533568 914984 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are you trying to say? < 1459533577 577107 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want the equivalent of english "everything" < 1459533579 747878 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thrn? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1459533592 944188 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: omne, then. < 1459533598 186750 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :totum? < 1459533601 375108 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or that. < 1459533607 517338 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :totum est? < 1459533616 667792 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the sentence supposed to be? < 1459533630 502010 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :without which everything is < 1459533753 922435 :Kaynato!~Aedile@casewireless02.CWRU.Edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1459533755 139236 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't sine take the ablative? < 1459533785 49641 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :probs bobs < 1459533791 162619 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't qua ablative < 1459533804 434115 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :most like < 1459533830 178891 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? latin < 1459533843 963155 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :latin? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1459533852 975231 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, duh. There are like 3 quis in Latin, and I mixed them up < 1459533895 341878 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`le/rn LATINA EST SUBLIMISSIMA LINGUA MUNDI < 1459533896 151350 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1459533900 81202 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1459533904 74138 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn LATINA EST SUBLIMISSIMA LINGUA MUNDI < 1459533907 215294 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'latina': LATINA EST SUBLIMISSIMA LINGUA MUNDI < 1459533910 404576 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1459533910 911309 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :le/rn: print better output twh < 1459533924 91438 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` mv wisdom/latin{a,} < 1459533926 685159 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1459533998 262050 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think sine qua omne est is probably the closest. < 1459533999 129656 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :le/rn is taking over < 1459534006 356587 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :even your beloved learn is not immune < 1459534013 649496 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :;_; < 1459534055 852640 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Latin, learning is disco, baby < 1459534201 858088 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? le/rn < 1459534203 392312 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :le/rn makes creating wisdom entries manually a thing of the past. < 1459534204 933411 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ln -s bin/slashlearn bin/disce < 1459534209 706485 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1459534223 313320 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That wisdom entry is outdated now. < 1459534224 606493 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : In underload, is it possible to store data in the source code at four bits per source code character density such that the program can decode it unambiguously? <-- of course not, there are only 9 command characters and no way to decode non-command ones. also some combinations are nops or infinite loops so you have to avoid them. < 1459534234 4671 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`disce Learning is disco, baby. < 1459534234 658308 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: disce: not found < 1459534241 609473 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, boo < 1459534259 64202 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can store 1 bit per character, though, as i did in the rule 110 program. < 1459534310 826301 :Caesura!~Aedile@casewireless02.CWRU.Edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Daoyu commands fill the 4-bit space < 1459534327 259416 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you can find a code that gives 2, i'd be surprised if 3 were possible (you'd need to be able to lose only one character possibility on average) < 1459534329 676380 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :daoyu makes little sense < 1459534344 695565 :Caesura!~Aedile@casewireless02.CWRU.Edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh, how so? < 1459534357 604764 :Caesura!~Aedile@casewireless02.CWRU.Edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the specification is unclear, please tell me so I can improve it < 1459534370 864921 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :the diagrams communicate nothing < 1459534378 545064 :Caesura!~Aedile@casewireless02.CWRU.Edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, I'll fix that right now < 1459534385 800781 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`disce Learning is disco, baby. < 1459534385 963985 :Caesura!~Aedile@casewireless02.CWRU.Edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :They were a bit of a rush job < 1459534386 529242 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1459534392 664851 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? learning < 1459534394 761463 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :learning? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1459534454 492182 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? learning < 1459534455 490079 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learning is disco, baby. < 1459534457 918851 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There < 1459534476 578529 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :prooftechnique: ooh you meant that disco literally < 1459534499 539840 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :Aut disce aut discede | The international hub of esoteric programming language and kitten typesetting | logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D | http://esolangs.org/ | Note: people with cloaks will be treated as if they're from Budapest < 1459534507 891116 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess really the gerund is discere, but whatever hth < 1459534586 169951 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really like that topic :) < 1459534617 63026 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :is a real old latin verb? < 1459534625 182596 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :"to disc"? < 1459534640 655563 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most Latin verbs are old < 1459534651 718908 :Caesura!~Aedile@casewireless02.CWRU.Edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :disco, discere, dedici, no PPP < 1459534655 655510 :Caesura!~Aedile@casewireless02.CWRU.Edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :To teach < 1459534669 903038 :Caesura!~Aedile@casewireless02.CWRU.Edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is no gerund < 1459534672 283580 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :prooftechnique except the new ones < 1459534677 782591 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Caesura: To learn < 1459534683 796609 :Caesura!~Aedile@casewireless02.CWRU.Edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah < 1459534697 609924 :Caesura!~Aedile@casewireless02.CWRU.Edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :doceo < 1459534700 77738 :Caesura!~Aedile@casewireless02.CWRU.Edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :got that mixed up < 1459534700 240710 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somewhat wonderfully, dedisco is to unlearn < 1459534714 913511 :Caesura!~Aedile@casewireless02.CWRU.Edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doceo, docere, docui, doctus < 1459534718 568210 :Caesura!~Aedile@casewireless02.CWRU.Edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's to teach < 1459534725 812591 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hence docent :) < 1459534726 12119 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :doctus < 1459534743 585385 :Caesura!~Aedile@casewireless02.CWRU.Edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :3rd person plural indicative active present < 1459534752 380510 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :prooftechnique: i think "discere" is the infinitive, but wiktionary's table lists it as nominative gerund which it sort of logically is < 1459534753 216213 :Caesura!~Aedile@casewireless02.CWRU.Edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hence doctor, one who teaches < 1459534776 995828 :mihow!~mihow@c-73-67-227-118.hsd1.or.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1459534781 324879 :Caesura!~Aedile@casewireless02.CWRU.Edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Infinitives as gerunds can be done... but there isn't anything like "discendus" < 1459534811 408860 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Caesura: because the real gerund is not used in the nominative... < 1459534832 369493 :Caesura!~Aedile@casewireless02.CWRU.Edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is where I realize that I have spent the last two years unlearning the latin from the three years prior < 1459534844 359021 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they call it a degenerate form or something? My Latin grammar is a little hazy < 1459534860 767582 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :m=m*2 < 1459534871 615449 :Caesura!~Aedile@casewireless02.CWRU.Edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's right < 1459534919 721788 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish I knew more Ancient Greek, but I don't think any time I spent learning Latin was wasted < 1459534948 43610 :Reece`!~nothing@host-92-13-205-245.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459534963 731223 :Caesura!~Aedile@casewireless02.CWRU.Edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I learned a bit of Attic Greek under the notion that it would be easier < 1459534969 675174 :Caesura!~Aedile@casewireless02.CWRU.Edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is not. It is not easier than Latin. < 1459534979 836895 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Caesura: funny, virtually all my latin grammar i learned ~ 30 years ago from a grammar i found in the town library. and i still remember much of it. < 1459535014 884703 :Caesura!~Aedile@casewireless02.CWRU.Edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aeorist prefixing was such a pain with greek < 1459535015 682364 :Reece`!~nothing@host-92-13-205-245.as43234.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1459535028 783673 :Caesura!~Aedile@casewireless02.CWRU.Edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I won awards in state and national competitions on Latin < 1459535050 703679 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would really like to know what it is in the human brain that seems to lead to the mutation of "to be" and "to go" in so many languages. < 1459535051 450067 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow i wouldnt have guessed you were as old as that implies. < 1459535065 320548 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Is 31 and advanced < 1459535072 613689 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such a strong child < 1459535074 115491 :Caesura!~Aedile@casewireless02.CWRU.Edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should try and keep Latin fresh in my memory with a bit more effort, hm < 1459535081 112502 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :prooftechnique: 45 < 1459535103 775476 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i learned it in two year-long classes 15 years ago and remember little besides vocabulary and 1st and 2nd declension suffices < 1459535140 44619 :Caesura!~Aedile@casewireless02.CWRU.Edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I spent my fifth year of latin unlearning it, the more I think about that < 1459535155 117788 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mainly just use it for passphrases, now. < 1459535159 895945 :Caesura!~Aedile@casewireless02.CWRU.Edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The gerundive / gerund distinction never really sunk into my memory, I think :x < 1459535161 296101 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Free word order is pretty nice. < 1459535174 163267 :Caesura!~Aedile@casewireless02.CWRU.Edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gerundive is the non-nominative, the noun of "to verb," right < 1459535191 528648 :Caesura!~Aedile@casewireless02.CWRU.Edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, isn't that the gerund < 1459535200 864464 :Caesura!~Aedile@casewireless02.CWRU.Edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, self-demonstration < 1459535216 381891 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gerund is -ing, gerundive is the adjectival form < 1459535284 384540 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : disco, discere, dedici, no PPP <-- hm are you saying wiktionary's table is erroneous, then < 1459535300 20328 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though Romans were goofs and sometimes used the gerundive in place of the gerund for euphony < 1459535305 430002 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This kills the translator < 1459535307 453555 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :any april 1 stuff worth checking out this year? < 1459535359 754548 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Personally, I can't wait to see what my talky box from Amazon has cooked up while I've been at work. It has the power to call my phone, so I expect prank calls. < 1459535431 152180 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: PPP is the past participle, which disco does not have. < 1459535447 204343 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, you can telnet read wikipedia < 1459535464 445274 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :and this https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7511 < 1459535464 693239 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though it does have a passive one, so... < 1459535470 877763 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: smile! < 1459535471 40651 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: what is that? < 1459535486 575489 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: What do you like on pizza? < 1459535486 812633 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :prooftechnique: i have a drug overdose? wah, that spoils it even more simply in our new language < 1459535497 999783 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: telnet wikipedia actually seems potentially useful < 1459535501 666664 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope they keep it around < 1459535504 510024 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yah < 1459535508 299475 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, there is already a gopher wikipedia < 1459535510 774583 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, you could telnet to port 80 but it's annoying < 1459535517 543461 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :True. < 1459535561 195201 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: connection refused :( < 1459535568 299763 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, RFC MMI syntax has a MIGHT? < 1459535574 71472 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Agora uses MAY for that < 1459535655 697815 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone posted a patch for a leftpad(2) syscall to the Linux kernel < 1459535665 448531 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was at least mildly amusing < 1459535665 619536 :Caesura!~Aedile@casewireless02.CWRU.Edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The wikipedia table lists the supine... hmmm < 1459535674 896769 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the kernel devs are pretending to take it seriously < 1459535709 230811 :Caesura!~Aedile@casewireless02.CWRU.Edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :We were taught with the fourth principal part as the PPP < 1459535746 776748 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ouch... < 1459535753 152214 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :leftpad system call < 1459535781 525567 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :did they also post a libc wrapper with userspace emulation as fallback to the gnu libc mailing lists? < 1459535792 527655 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :come to think of it they shuld probably implement it in the vDSO < 1459535796 319553 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: not that I saw < 1459535965 929740 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu JOIN :#esoteric < 1459535983 419567 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1459535992 967251 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1459536169 197061 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1459536334 67419 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1459536394 587836 :lambda-11235!~lambda-11@47.208.113.50 QUIT :Quit: Bye < 1459536589 830158 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1459536623 686690 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about an esoteric programming language that's turing complete because of its esonums < 1459536641 65698 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's an esonum? < 1459536664 218041 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :42 < 1459536669 801505 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :a number defined to behave like a number, but slightly different < 1459536674 32740 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seriously. < 1459536682 871653 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Marvin Minsky 13,9♥ < 1459536688 133405 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ, that's a really cool idea i like it < 1459536693 565586 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. an esonum called @ could do this - |@| = -1 < 1459536707 231577 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ, did you hear my idea about alg. esoclosure < 1459536713 655487 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't think it was my idea < 1459536764 439365 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :an esolang with addition, subtraction, multiplication, division, exponentiation and i < 1459536772 474509 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :3+2i^5i < 1459536777 983474 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :e^i < 1459536788 800048 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :#^@ < 1459536795 937940 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :p sure you can have a TC esolang just with reals and equality... < 1459536806 922323 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about a programing lanugage based on counter examples to tarskis high school algebra problem? < 1459536811 776802 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :the number system < 1459536830 627846 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about < 1459536832 20701 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :those are surely esonumbers < 1459536844 282615 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :a programming language that doesn't need to evaluate things to manipulate them < 1459536854 338309 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean haskell? < 1459536867 430337 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be able to detect that 3+2 = 4+1 without evaluating either for example < 1459536895 189792 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :a better example is 3+2+x = 5+x < 1459536912 799051 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be able to do that without evaluating x < 1459536962 477486 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you tell which bits to evaluate < 1459537000 903473 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :super lazy evaluation - if there's any way round evaluating something, do that way < 1459537020 420424 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :3+2+x = 5+x for example - you might need to evaluate 3+2, but not x < 1459537026 201184 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Daoyu14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46712&oldid=46696 5* 03Kaynato 5* (+1059) 10Clarifications (replaced diagrams) < 1459537073 400735 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :e^sqrt(-1)x would equal sin(x) + sqrt(-1)cos(x) without evaluating sqrt(-1) < 1459537083 547348 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-76.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1459537086 859403 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :say |@| = -1, no error there either < 1459537136 36409 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1459537170 485920 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 overwrite10 02 5* 03Kaynato 5* 10uploaded a new version of "[[02File:Daoyu Symbol Table.png10]]": Irrelevant information removed < 1459537179 767356 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: we were just discussing super lazy evaluation - an idea where a programming language would try its absolute hardest not to evaluate something, it's almost not lazy < 1459537195 996249 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-76.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: Yes, I've heard of that < 1459537208 901020 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :how would it know what not to evaluate? < 1459537211 454163 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. in such a language, a computer would detect that e^sqrt(-1)x = sin(x) + sqrt(-1)cos(x) without ever knowing that sqrt(-1) = i < 1459537214 817737 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-76.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: Ultimate Lazy Evaluation just prints out the program and tells you to "do it your fucking self" < 1459537222 837189 :Caesura!~Aedile@casewireless02.CWRU.Edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Is this better? < 1459537235 152857 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: it wouldn't evaluate anything, just manipulate, simplify and stuff < 1459537281 847836 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :(1/0)/0 = 1, and it wouldn't even know that 1/0 evaluates to an error < 1459537285 287322 :jaboja!~jaboja@vps.jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1459537298 4405 :Caesura!~Aedile@casewireless02.CWRU.Edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're talking about symbolic computation? < 1459537298 874455 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/(1/0)/0/1/(1/0)/ < 1459537300 786170 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1459537309 335602 :Caesura!~Aedile@casewireless02.CWRU.Edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty sure you can set that up with Wolfram < 1459537327 440489 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but it detects stuff like 1/0 < 1459537339 679474 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :mine would be too lazy to realize that 1/0 evaluates to an error < 1459537345 666509 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh theres a vuln in emacs this time? < 1459537347 925883 :Caesura!~Aedile@casewireless02.CWRU.Edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :With some redefinitions you coul do that also < 1459537389 106517 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ, so i guess you just try every evaluation order possible until you get a normalised expression? < 1459537409 26466 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps...? < 1459537416 831567 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it could use substitution < 1459537422 656207 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. 1/1/x = x < 1459537439 788653 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :or (x^y)^z = x^yz < 1459537441 278082 :Caesura!~Aedile@casewireless02.CWRU.Edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wolfram evaluates 1/(1/0) to be 0, it seems < 1459537464 596266 :Caesura!~Aedile@casewireless02.CWRU.Edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although it also WARNS you that 1/0 is encountered, it doesn't break the entire thing < 1459537493 634562 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right, 1/1/0 = 0 < 1459537499 217578 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :wolfram is right < 1459537512 40780 :Caesura!~Aedile@casewireless02.CWRU.Edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is very powerful for symbolic computation < 1459537512 716424 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ, well i mean at this stage it's not actually true < 1459537513 832453 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's eager enough to warn you < 1459537518 34956 :Caesura!~Aedile@casewireless02.CWRU.Edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1459537527 893160 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. (x^y)^z is not true for general real exponents < 1459537556 51958 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not? < 1459537579 775877 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :(x^y)^z = x^(y+z)? < 1459537581 442827 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :((-1)^2)^0.5 is not equal to (-1)^1 < 1459537583 435771 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't remember < 1459537597 931351 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need to add them, right? < 1459537615 181153 :Caesura!~Aedile@casewireless02.CWRU.Edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, that's for multiplying exponents of equal bases < 1459537618 243462 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: What vuln? < 1459537622 523949 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also check the date, just in case < 1459537627 831355 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh... < 1459537635 551278 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :the issue with doing e.g. the 1/0 trick you mentioned is that if you specify all these substitution rules you can evaluate 1/0 to get contradictory values < 1459537636 157122 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :then what is (x^y)^z? < 1459537649 786356 :Caesura!~Aedile@casewireless02.CWRU.Edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@PH Yes, thus indeterminate forms < 1459537649 949441 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you meant: wn v rc pl id do bf @ ? . < 1459537652 896452 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's (x^y)^z, that's all you can say < 1459537658 884840 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1459537661 946087 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1459537729 239847 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :infact, why not make the numbers mathematical symbols? < 1459537739 628678 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :prooftechnique: i just got a work email saying dont use emacs < 1459537762 307703 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i use nano anyway < 1459537874 161274 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :who knew sqrt(-1) could be so useful < 1459537930 583355 :Caesura!~Aedile@casewireless02.CWRU.Edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have heard of Cayley-Dickson construction? < 1459537939 727637 :Caesura!~Aedile@casewireless02.CWRU.Edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cayley%E2%80%93Dickson_construction < 1459537961 749129 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i havent < 1459537966 700543 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :would you recommend it? < 1459537969 552701 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but after a certai point the results of that can't be called 'numbers' < 1459537984 45420 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tarski%27s_high_school_algebra_problem < 1459537986 192652 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :check this one out < 1459537987 844861 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is really fun < 1459537993 74393 :Caesura!~Aedile@casewireless02.CWRU.Edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, true, but the first few steps provide useful constructs < 1459538011 742680 :Caesura!~Aedile@casewireless02.CWRU.Edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Geometric Algebra is much more powerful, however, in my own personal opinion < 1459538032 757358 :Reece`!~nothing@host-92-13-205-245.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459538249 516480 :Caesura!~Aedile@casewireless02.CWRU.Edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, if I could ask for feedback < 1459538263 558128 :Caesura!~Aedile@casewireless02.CWRU.Edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is the current specification of Daoyu understandable and clear < 1459538266 116519 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that list of axioms is bullshit. i was taught plenty about subtraction and negative numbrts in high school < 1459538266 384846 :Reece`!~nothing@host-92-13-205-245.as43234.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1459538295 873822 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't subtraction just adding negative numbers? < 1459538316 22153 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: I'm leaning toward work pranks on that email < 1459538354 727194 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :right. but that list is missing --x = x for example < 1459538391 976649 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and x - y = x + -y < 1459538403 478716 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1459538406 153339 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1459538789 444652 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it shoukd be called tarskis alternate universe high school problem, where subtraction is a university discipline < 1459538965 423080 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ofc one day we might consider complex numbers to be a high school subject < 1459538972 291991 :Caesura!~Aedile@casewireless02.CWRU.Edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are < 1459538982 953355 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not in canada < 1459538991 132679 :Caesura!~Aedile@casewireless02.CWRU.Edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Strange < 1459539112 824322 :me2!~me@38.70.70.115.static.exetel.com.au QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1459539169 432046 :me2!~me@38.70.70.115.static.exetel.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1459539481 204031 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-76.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: α-expressions are fun < 1459539491 532633 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-76.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(s/// is a well-known α-expression) < 1459539511 759261 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-76.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(y/// is less well-known, and m// is not used at all) < 1459539823 758589 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1459540570 417102 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@2a02:1811:d22:cc00:9dad:4a2b:b148:20d6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1459541024 900353 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about a language where there are no conditionals and you have to execute arbritary code stored in lookup tables < 1459541209 411673 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-76.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1459541372 459247 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: have anyone examined how densely you can embed information in underload source code such that the underload program can decode it? < 1459541392 576158 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: it's possible to manage at least one bit per character < 1459541407 751843 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I think you can manage two bits per char at least, but I haven't made a proof < 1459541408 386399 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC somewhere oerjan made a parser for strings of : and ^ < 1459541428 702847 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :going higher there isn't an obvious method, but that doesn't mean there isn't a non-obvious one < 1459541429 876309 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should examine it, I don't understand underload enough and this seems like a thing that lets me explore it < 1459541474 836766 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well reaching three bits per character is obviously impossible < 1459541480 375503 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I think I'll try to decode strings made of ~ ! : * < 1459541484 264418 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the true value is ≥ 1 and < 3 < 1459541492 591202 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you could receive fractional bits < 1459541500 225266 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: !~~ and ~~! are eqivalent < 1459541505 667997 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it doesn't have to be stateless, if parenthesis are involved < 1459541506 339374 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: sure, I expect the number of bits to be fractional < 1459541519 722 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also ~~ and :! are equivalent < 1459541532 404446 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and :*:* is equivalent to :::*** < 1459541537 413481 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no no, if the string (supposed you know the length) is parenthisized, you execute it, then the characters get pushed into the stack, and you can execute them one by one < 1459541545 689700 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: as in, you can use a to parenthisize them < 1459541561 77329 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: a parameterizes an entire stack element, it doesn't break the string into characters < 1459541569 886203 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :~~ and :! are equivalent; (~~) and (:!) are also equivalent < 1459541573 824368 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and both equivalent to () < 1459541578 3742 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you, but ^ opens the parenthesis, doesn't it? < 1459541594 569997 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: it just moves the contents of the TOS onto the program < 1459541607 415872 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(~~)^ is equivalent to (:!)^ is equivalent to ~~ is equivalent to :! < 1459541612 808786 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :none of them do anything :-P < 1459541622 117190 :Caesura!~Aedile@casewireless02.CWRU.Edu QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1459541631 666545 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, and if that element it moved is a parenthesisized block, then doesn't executing the block push each of the elements to the stack? < 1459541647 30043 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: you did notice my comment about underload to you above, right? < 1459541671 32929 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: if you move ((~~)) to the program you end up with (~~) in the program, which then pushes (~~) to the stack < 1459541672 665373 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ah... I didn't < 1459541685 476719 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you give an example of what you're /expecting/ to happen? it feels like you have some sort of fundamental misconception here < 1459541691 126107 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that rule 110 program is the :^ parser < 1459541762 299464 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :come to think of it, I suspect that strings of :^a are parseable < 1459541767 152505 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd be pretty surprised if they weren't < 1459541779 896893 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, except if you have a then ^ < 1459541782 703436 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with nothing in between < 1459541785 663266 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as that's a no-op < 1459541787 129165 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no. right. < 1459541819 38714 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i concluded : and a were parseable, but more complicated than what i did, and also uglier. < 1459541820 683076 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and strings like a:^ would also cause problems < 1459541836 873694 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but no other 2 character combinations work < 1459541839 652674 :jaboja!~jaboja@vps.jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1459541844 900641 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::a is obviously parseable, because the result of a never affects the second stack element < 1459541848 413643 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-76.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1459541860 348816 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :meaning that you can create a sentinel value that does to act as your zero < 1459541860 511641 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I expect that the program (xy) puts x and y to the stack (x on top), so (xy)!^ will try to execute y, and (xy)~!^ will try to execute x < 1459541880 28309 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: ah, right, your problem is that the stack isn't a stack of characters < 1459541883 176847 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a stack of strings < 1459541892 190739 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(xy) pushes a single element, xy, to the stack < 1459541897 899431 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then ^ moves that element as a whole into the program < 1459541902 144617 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, it's a stack of strings because ((xy)) pushes a single string (xy) to the stack < 1459541918 650334 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :normally we put parens around each stack element when discussing Underload < 1459541919 976385 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't executing a parenthesis open it to the stack? < 1459541922 185169 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i forgot that S is useless, so you have only 8 usable chars, so clearly 3 bits is impossible, right < 1459541927 130922 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh... < 1459541932 911990 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the heck is the point of that? < 1459541933 860451 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: and ( and ) have to be paired < 1459541937 759397 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :why doesn't it open the parens < 1459541944 987844 :Kaynato!~Aedile@casewireless02.CWRU.Edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1459541945 378310 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: because that would be an entirely different language < 1459541948 404731 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, if you don't want to open the parens, you can just a^ instead of ^ < 1459541967 166764 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually in Underlambda I'm going the other way, removing S < 1459541985 34142 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :this makes underload much harder to program < 1459541987 222129 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this allows you to optimize code both inside the stack and inside the program < 1459541988 186266 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and indeed very different < 1459541988 836644 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it becomes a pure functional language because the stack elemenets are entirely opaque < 1459542029 219072 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ( and ) pairing is not _really_ a problem as i think that gives only o(something) contribution to the no. of bits. < 1459542032 549312 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yep < 1459542034 966965 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :crazy < 1459542042 979993 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but any nop like :! is fatal < 1459542061 576670 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Underload's meant to be about function representation, not string manipulation < 1459542078 559756 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's not "string manipulation", more like tree manipulation < 1459542083 900031 :earendel!~earendel@unaffiliated/earendel QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1459542094 480128 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it manipulates elements that are either letters or parenthisized trees < 1459542105 83810 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't manipulate individual characters of a tree < 1459542112 480820 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1459542115 289717 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually Overload worked like that < 1459542132 352948 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :did I accidentally invent a language? < 1459542199 126036 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps, I don't like it though :-( < 1459542203 509597 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about a language where a sentence is an array of words < 1459542206 335599 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the set of commands doesn't make much sense in this language < 1459542207 364269 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a word has a meaning < 1459542211 496554 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd probably want a string compare command too, at least < 1459542216 235322 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. < 1459542223 291341 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :the cat ate the dog < 1459542236 273795 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat is the noun, ate is the verb, dog is the subject, or victim < 1459542257 429454 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no no, not a string compare command < 1459542265 51739 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd want a nop command though, probably space and newline < 1459542282 132608 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :make that space, tab, lf, cr < 1459542298 702995 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@2a02:1811:d22:cc00:9dad:4a2b:b148:20d6 QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in < 1459542322 839387 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: this is like having C, plus a command that breaks a function pointers into individual asm opcodes in the function it points to < 1459542330 772600 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yet have no way to determine what those opcodes are other than executing them < 1459542382 935772 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm reminded to two obfus in other languages: the lua one I wrote that uses the same string as both code and data so that if you try to tamper with the code then the output breaks completely, and pts's obfu in dc which uses the same strings as both code and data: dc can't really examined things so I thought that was impossible, but it turns out dc has a length command that queries the length of a string < 1459542448 456209 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, I can see why you don't like that concept < 1459542471 955458 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just a mix of paradigms that doesn't make sense < 1459542476 685443 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's inelegant < 1459542477 54755 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1459542489 788645 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Quit: dinner < 1459542584 949871 :Kaynato!~Aedile@casewireless02.CWRU.Edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1459542759 171092 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523? < 1459542770 889588 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :he left. < 1459542824 220257 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote raspberry < 1459542845 588896 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1459542971 204826 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote berry < 1459542973 361734 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :471) lets not wander around the mulberry bush beating our heads < 1459542989 161931 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: do you know any berries? < 1459542989 363779 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: ( and i've only seen ocean from far above in a positive light) < 1459542999 938883 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote berri < 1459543001 37840 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1459543022 371270 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps it was deleted. < 1459543022 534044 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so in the description of Underload at http://esolangs.org/wiki/Underload#Commands , the stack top is on the right, not on the left like other such descriptions usually denote, right? < 1459543038 362551 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds very malancholic, fungot. < 1459543038 525253 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: the description sounds like fnord talk to me instead < 1459543041 387160 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, which episode? < 1459543041 706594 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: proposals only last 15 minutes of fame? guile? you don't get special food, but they look exactly the same for cl, not fnord two of those < 1459543057 75052 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: have you read the SIGBOVIK 2016 proceedings? < 1459543057 445537 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: http://www.fourmilab.ch/ hotbits/ with fnord key and browser with fnord?) has a problem. whom should it be: < 1459543059 133423 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: i thought on the right was standard forth-notation? < 1459543078 345515 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, SIGBOVIK is today. < 1459543092 743145 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I don't know < 1459543094 361657 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fools! < 1459543108 85205 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: will you show them all? < 1459543121 261770 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: no I'm just waiting for this stupid day to pass. < 1459543198 281980 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I guess top on right makes sense in a forth/postscript-like language where lots of statements are literal so just push on the stack, so the stack often looks similar to the code < 1459543208 911925 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: What's wrong with today? < 1459543215 853488 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`olist 1032 < 1459543216 990285 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olist 1032: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly boily nortti b_jonas < 1459543231 32669 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: anyway half the point of the notation we've settled on is that it makes it easy to see underload execution as a program transformation - where stack elements don't need to be distinguished from the program. < 1459543250 857250 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: right < 1459543267 2406 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it seems that http://www.cs.cornell.edu/icfp/task.htm puts the stack top on the right as well < 1459543290 679930 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :april fools! < 1459543295 812409 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is great < 1459543298 287672 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just not so obvious from descriptions like this because most operations would make sense to define with the inputs in any order < 1459543300 762538 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/oswg-member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: #ircpuzzles is a good way to spend April 1 (and 2 and 3 and.. well, it usually takes a while to solve them) < 1459543309 459116 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in any case you can permute the stack top elements before running the command < 1459543312 428661 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/oswg-member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's a yearly tradition to have puzzles on April 1) < 1459543316 362534 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: HireFly < 1459543317 634157 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:feff:ff:fe00:316b PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am awful at writing documentation] < 1459543321 578210 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/oswg-member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :hachaf < 1459543327 642376 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:feff:ff:fe00:316b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially when it's a program which I know how it works < 1459543347 112658 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:feff:ff:fe00:316b PRIVMSG #esoteric :And didn't intend anyone else to use it when I was writing it < 1459543373 149766 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/oswg-member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :noh that was an evil olist < 1459543446 329729 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07GML14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46714&oldid=40261 5* 03B jonas 5* (+5) 10 < 1459543456 89846 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: sorry < 1459543498 28921 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: you may have had your fun, but what about YOUR IMMORTAL SOUL? < 1459543515 428475 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what about it? < 1459543528 149639 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it may be in peril tdnh < 1459543558 423963 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't you just say it was immortal < 1459543620 93262 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but not pain resistant < 1459543646 377876 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:feff:ff:fe00:316b PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is finally writing a page for COMPLEX
< 1459543692 443216 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:feff:ff:fe00:316b PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has largely forgotten the art of wiki page writing
< 1459543881 923314 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :who needs conditionals < 1459543899 667660 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:feff:ff:fe00:316b PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION needs conditionals
< 1459543920 873132 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could remove the IF from Lua and it'd still be turing complete < 1459543995 734448 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :proof: local code = {true = function () print("yay") end, false = function () print("nay") end}; code[3 > 2] < 1459544012 139949 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1459544036 383937 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :say bye to for loops too < 1459544058 497337 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :and any other non-necessary construct < 1459544074 492245 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will strip Lua and make a turing tarpit called TarLua... or EsoLua... < 1459544103 398280 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1459544262 580781 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it turns out that one thing that confused me about underload is this: in the (stackbefore – stackafter) style description of stack-based language operations, including underload at http://esolangs.org/wiki/Underload#Commands , the stack is listed with the top of stack on the right, but this isn't obvious at first. < 1459544288 353409 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: this is standard for Underload; I'm not sure if it's mentioned on the page < 1459544293 932589 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I write it in most of my writing about it though < 1459544485 530358 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Evil14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46715&oldid=46711 5* 03Iconmaster 5* (+2538) 10Got a lot of information from the site onto the wiki < 1459544571 503351 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :] 3*9500 < 1459544579 277789 :evalj!~jeval@catv-89-133-135-148.catv.broadband.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1459544582 389740 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :] 3*9500 < 1459544582 699963 :evalj!~jeval@catv-89-133-135-148.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: 28500 < 1459544839 413155 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-76.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1459544900 372953 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-76.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1459545186 496932 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-76.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuzzy String Matching is interesting < 1459545263 627031 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07GML14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46716&oldid=46714 5* 03Iconmaster 5* (+10) 10Stub'd < 1459545350 535005 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Pylongolf14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46717&oldid=46708 5* 03Iconmaster 5* (+34) 10Stub'd < 1459545356 553501 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :pylongolf < 1459545357 977097 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :gml < 1459545370 755855 :spiette!~spiette@x-132-204-251-254.xtpr.umontreal.ca QUIT :Quit: :qa! < 1459545371 636826 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:feff:ff:fe00:316b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do we have a stub template? < 1459545379 927436 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:feff:ff:fe00:316b PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't be bothered to write this article right now < 1459545387 40852 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Retina14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46718&oldid=46707 5* 03Iconmaster 5* (+10) 10Stub'd < 1459545422 691475 :iconmaster!iconmaster@icon-thinkpad.wireless.rit.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1459545590 447104 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Iconmaster14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46719&oldid=37163 5* 03Iconmaster 5* (-75) 10 < 1459545761 700930 :iconmaster!iconmaster@icon-thinkpad.wireless.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello. Suddenly felt like coming back and helping with some wiki stuff. How's it going? < 1459545865 14579 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Bulan14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=46720 5* 03Rdococ 5* (+925) 10It's still Turing complete. I think. I'll leave the exercise of proving that it's TC up to you. < 1459545898 570030 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://youtu.be/QScVVDwxSWA procrastinating like a pro < 1459546046 16011 :jaboja!~jaboja@vps.jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1459546189 913186 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i ordered a elektronika mk-61 calculator < 1459546396 829543 :iconmaster!iconmaster@icon-thinkpad.wireless.rit.edu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1459546420 383771 :Reece`!~nothing@host-92-13-205-245.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459546432 979312 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: yes. < 1459546539 107405 :Reece`!~nothing@host-92-13-205-245.as43234.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1459546767 648609 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: A soviet calculator, neat. < 1459546811 590319 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:feff:ff:fe00:316b PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, how do I apply the stub template < 1459546835 374685 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: NOW WE KNOW < 1459546850 79234 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: {{stub}} < 1459546859 980414 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :HTH < 1459546866 683737 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:feff:ff:fe00:316b PRIVMSG #esoteric :TDH < 1459547059 573656 :Reece`!~nothing@host-92-13-205-245.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459547086 636252 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07COMPLEX14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=46721 5* 03Taneb 5* (+345) 10Start making this article < 1459547089 682568 :Reece`!~nothing@host-92-13-205-245.as43234.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1459547200 822354 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46722&oldid=46691 5* 03Taneb 5* (+14) 10/* C */ Add COMPLEX < 1459547262 408659 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Nathan van Doorn14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46723&oldid=35933 5* 03Taneb 5* (+13) 10Add COMPLEX < 1459547281 84436 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-76.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm attempting to make a regex family called Irgex, with support for 2D matching and TC matching and all of these nice things < 1459547299 27501 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-76.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But with the core subset being efficient < 1459547314 794541 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, there are 2d regex < 1459547317 220009 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-76.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Why limit it to the Gaussian Integers? Why not allow real values in general? < 1459547320 474225 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-76.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: I've heard < 1459547330 266535 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-76.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: Or 2D bnf. It's documented on catseye < 1459547405 242697 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i actually used these in my thesis < 1459547420 355833 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, mentioned < 1459547566 250171 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-76.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: I'm trying to find different classes of expressions < 1459547589 288369 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-76.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The first I define is the π-expression, which is the traditional x+y, -z, [i], etc. < 1459547616 663868 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-76.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's also the α-expression, which is a generalization of s/// and y/// < 1459547618 61471 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:feff:ff:fe00:316b PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], reasons < 1459547627 714032 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-76.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Ah, very good choice < 1459547650 159696 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-76.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm stuck there though. Are there any other fairly general types of expression? < 1459547782 258943 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :For a group of esoteric language creators, I'm surprised that the wiki doesn't auto-generate the list of languages... < 1459547819 771539 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-76.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :zgrep: That'd be too straightforward < 1459547824 990940 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :All pages that are programming languages should be put in a category (or tagged, or something) "language", and the list would automatically update... < 1459547827 948301 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-76.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :zgrep: Also, we have pages that /aren't/ esolangs < 1459547834 929568 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-76.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :zgrep: Ah < 1459547857 348118 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-76.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :zgrep: Do you know of any other types of expression besides the traditional arithmetical and x///? < 1459547873 891373 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: Not sure exactly what you mean... < 1459547888 808661 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-76.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :zgrep: You know s/// expressions? < 1459547896 44299 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :Regular expressions? < 1459547900 563824 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-76.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I call them alpha-expressions) < 1459547904 406257 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but I don't know what an expression is... < 1459547907 203995 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-76.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :zgrep: Those fall under arithmetical, actually < 1459547933 504073 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-76.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :zgrep: An expression is some predefined set of symbols combined with more expressions, basically < 1459547939 855824 :MDude!~MDude@pa-67-234-117-223.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1459547946 620070 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. How... how... [insert word here]. < 1459547958 736081 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-76.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :zgrep: Oh, that's good < 1459548009 979927 :jaboja!~jaboja@vps.jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1459548271 542221 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-76.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1459548487 398938 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Fuun DNA14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=46724 5* 03B jonas 5* (+3506) 10Created page with "'''Fuun DNA''' is a self-modifying string-rewriting language. It was defined for the task of the ICFP contest 2007 (“Morph Endo”). == Description == The DNA of the extr..." < 1459548611 80517 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1459548617 151871 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar CYUL < 1459548617 421422 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYUL 012200Z 27020G27KT 15SM FEW030 FEW045 10/03 A2941 RMK CU1SC2 CU TR SLP963 < 1459548624 403224 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar ENVA < 1459548624 755796 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :ENVA 012150Z 08003KT 9999 SCT045 BKN060 04/M03 Q1011 RMK WIND 670FT 18006KT < 1459548626 995380 :earendel!~earendel@unaffiliated/earendel JOIN :#esoteric < 1459548694 369318 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459548793 818370 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: there was snow on the ground this morning < 1459548809 534519 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :WE DON'T HAVE SNOW ANYMORE! WE'RE FREE! MWAH AH AH AH AH AH! < 1459548816 78634 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION knocks on wood
< 1459548818 174125 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :new snow, that is. there's some old in parts. < 1459548860 735663 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:feff:ff:fe00:316b PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't seen snow since... last Tuesday < 1459548865 971066 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:feff:ff:fe00:316b PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that was up on some high hills < 1459548938 882846 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tanelle. there's snow where you are at? < 1459548948 390164 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1459548995 75630 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar EGNT < 1459548995 462601 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :EGNT 012150Z 18010KT 150V220 9999 SCT023 08/04 Q1007 < 1459549010 761808 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:feff:ff:fe00:316b PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily, it was in the Lake District < 1459549026 320880 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar KOAK < 1459549026 604975 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :KOAK 012153Z 25012KT 10SM FEW025 17/08 A3019 RMK AO2 SLP222 T01670083 < 1459549031 808101 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:feff:ff:fe00:316b PRIVMSG #esoteric :The bit of England with things that are almost mountains < 1459549058 157059 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Is that like the Lake Union district in Seattle? < 1459549086 126711 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You did mention something about using Seattle public transit the other day. < 1459549120 450248 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:feff:ff:fe00:316b PRIVMSG #esoteric :I distinctly mentioned not using Seattle public transit < 1459549273 462370 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So how do you get around the Lake Union district? < 1459549285 839367 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :this reddit chat thing is pretty cool < 1459549291 610602 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Fuun RNA14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=46725 5* 03B jonas 5* (+1034) 10Created page with "'''Fuun RNA''' is a graphic description language. It was defined for the task of the ICFP contest 2007 (“Morph Endo”). == Description == The RNA of the extraterrestrial..." < 1459549294 532308 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've used seattle public transit. i think. < 1459549295 808759 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:feff:ff:fe00:316b PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, solid boots < 1459549301 68842 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :the room i ended up in got two pianists who are now playing live < 1459549331 830340 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: What's this chat thing? < 1459549335 394165 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: how was it < 1459549342 599284 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: was it before i was born or something < 1459549343 814822 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, it's the button with the bird on it < 1459549360 665648 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Can I find out about it without logging in? < 1459549364 147090 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Logging in is scow. < 1459549379 828259 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: were you born in 1996? < 1459549393 499967 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, before < 1459549397 39294 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i'm old :'( < 1459549401 475989 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shocking < 1459549415 243474 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :dinochaf < 1459549426 463866 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46726&oldid=46722 5* 03B jonas 5* (+30) 10+ Fuun DNA, RNA < 1459549491 138443 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, not without scraping a bunch of idiots trying to work it out < 1459549523 407373 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION carbon dates shachaf
< 1459549542 663855 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa whoa whoa < 1459549561 935793 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:B jonas14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46727&oldid=46672 5* 03B jonas 5* (-95) 10 < 1459549570 173465 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't just carbon date people < 1459549588 703519 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course you can. < 1459549600 120202 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: not more than one at a time, if you're carbonogamous < 1459549627 515058 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think you are switching the wrong part of the word tdnh < 1459549646 347294 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :look < 1459549655 826912 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :quantity over quality < 1459549664 542957 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i got a pun quota to meet here < 1459549703 823673 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, ais523: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Esolang:Community_portal has a webchat link to here through qwebirc. I prefer the kiwi irc webchat to qwebirc. Should I replace the webchat link, replace the webchat link but mention qwebirc as an alternative, add a kiwi irc link as an alternative, or do nothing? < 1459549703 986452 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you're doing the pun equivalent of cockney rhyming < 1459549728 732341 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ok fine < 1459549729 850392 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note that kiwi irc doesn't require people to fill a captcha, which can be considered either an advantage or a disadvantage. < 1459549744 858025 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you can only carbon date people if you're carbonogamous < 1459549753 90248 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do we have a category for a language that is known to be weaker than Turing complete? < 1459549763 973983 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: PDA? < 1459549767 143951 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuun RNA is not turing complete. < 1459549778 155935 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: it's not equivalent to a PDA < 1459549782 30520 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: the original pun was 0.9 shachafs, but the remastered version... 0.55 shachafs. < 1459549787 841019 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: if there are multiple working webchats you should probably list all of them and put your favourite first < 1459549792 13465 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: fuun? < 1459549822 187165 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Fuun_RNA although that page doesn't tell enough to glaen the computational strength, you have to read the specs < 1459549846 667169 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: glaen? < 1459549846 830019 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: oh yeah?! well you're a funny guy, though.) < 1459549871 862421 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ok. I'll test if it still works first though. < 1459549913 92045 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: i thought the one that was listed was freenode's official webchat. they've blocked others on occasion i think. < 1459549921 764462 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well, at least one.) < 1459549938 72226 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: what's the threshold for a mapoling < 1459549953 488345 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes, qwebirc is what the freenode admins themselves run, and they suggest it on their homepage < 1459549987 264362 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: as in, freenode runs a qwebirc webchat server itself which lets you connect to freenode < 1459550005 231778 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Do we have a category for a language that is known to be weaker than Turing complete? <-- not a general one, no < 1459550014 994247 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I prefer kiwiirc. Advantages include that it lets you connect to any irc network. < 1459550015 259419 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we have specific sub-TC categories < 1459550024 266687 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: right < 1459550025 83670 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and most sub-TC languages are either in one of them or very very weak < 1459550049 953045 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : fungot: glaen? <-- like glean, but you might get a leprechaun curse if you're not careful. < 1459550050 203727 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh ok. they are comparable. the resistance is useless. it's not all that magical.), tell me < 1459550068 579130 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: somewhere below 0.5, give or take a few subjective centishachafs. < 1459550088 991669 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459550089 531637 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this a logarithmic unit or what < 1459550097 361808 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Fuun RNA is very weak in some sense, yes < 1459550112 263379 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it has a high constant factor < 1459550144 94856 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm gonna make a big file'o buzzwords < 1459550144 257546 :lambda-11235!~lambda-11@47.208.113.50 JOIN :#esoteric < 1459550154 699589 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It can be executed in linear amount of memory, but the constant factor is quite high because it involves 600x600 pixel 4 channel 8 bit image canvases. < 1459550163 593446 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: it's a semilogarithmic one hth < 1459550178 607003 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :One that can be used to generate language descriptions automatically. Then I'll make it so Hackego can spit them out < 1459550178 769591 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least so I think. I'm not quote sure how Fuun RNA works really. < 1459550184 386170 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'd have ot read the specs. < 1459550193 672506 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'm quite sure it's weaker than turing < 1459550219 19801 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: how does that work fcir < 1459550219 220142 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 JOIN :#esoteric < 1459550227 886660 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does kiwi webchat work or what? < 1459550234 2290 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: it seems so < 1459550275 661992 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: linear memory fits the bounded-storage machine category < 1459550305 734439 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: it's logarithmic for the most part, but then it gets linear for things approaching zero. avoids problems with derivatives and infinite slopes. < 1459550312 70970 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: which category is that? link? < 1459550329 641789 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1459550333 985286 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1459550334 206001 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an unofficial one < 1459550336 299795 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Category:Bounded-storage_machine < 1459550349 130854 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the last edit was me trying to get rid of it... < 1459550359 367889 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :That doesn't really say what it means, and I'd think it means constant bounded < 1459550368 481490 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, enough of this webchat < 1459550373 554594 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 QUIT :Client Quit < 1459550395 623800 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuun RNA works really. < 1459550395 786645 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :003624 < b_jonas> You'd have ot read the specs. < 1459550417 478946 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :url is https://kiwiirc.com/client/chat.freenode.net/#esoteric by the way < 1459550437 163059 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459550497 210720 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is the maximum length hackego can send as a message? < 1459550518 252461 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was born in 1993 < 1459550519 18963 :woboily!607fc995@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1459550534 695864 :woboily!607fc995@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he\\oren\. < 1459550536 695483 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: 15:40 Oracle deprecated the Java browser plugin this year. :-( < 1459550540 367904 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: ok you want linear bounded automata < 1459550544 803861 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:40 javascript more like java's crypt < 1459550553 672719 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION mapoles shachaf
< 1459550557 558718 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1459550560 845841 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :gotta calibrate this thing < 1459550566 494264 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That moment when you search for how do do something in bash for HackEgo, but you look up how to do it in HackEgo specifically and thus get no relevant results) < 1459550573 338734 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's with xkcd today? All it says is “The xkcd April 1st comic is currently experiencing technical difficulties.” and shows wednesday's comic. < 1459550585 351917 :woboily!607fc995@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.96.127.201.149 QUIT :Client Quit < 1459550623 30250 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Either the xkcd April 1st comic is currently experiencing technical difficulties, or that's the joke < 1459550657 84521 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes, but Fuun RNA is probably actually weaker than a PDA (I'm not quite sure), and definitely weaker than arbitrary linear bounded machine, probably can be executed in linear time. < 1459550679 14413 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` cat /dev/urandom | tr -dc 'a-zA-Z0-9' | fold -w 200 | head -n 1 < 1459550681 611350 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: that can't be the joke. there have never been a MWF with no strip. < 1459550690 751694 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: that feels weird. Randall always had nice Apriljokes. < 1459550690 925060 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Exactly? < 1459550697 315355 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: I know... < 1459550701 103475 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mx6laZBPgxJpUlcgwwSY1G7kHxefQnSM6PVVhkb9G5OJBeDSnhKXXXBMa5v7MnG7SSirBK2SYXdYRZT9lpdeOeOS3YVRWNQ22lY7uFjAjHdf3nMFqs3UqtC6Ob5aH5kTf5bGLDUvKwDq3gJrJdZdPHr8YDxO0dFXH7hFHmiElMFP7vuRXrUUZOYFXQso6I9NSLguieFJ < 1459550706 392382 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And xkcd is never experiencing technical difficulties. < 1459550714 892539 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there's probably a comic, it's just well hidden so I can't see it. < 1459550737 673938 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : What is the maximum length hackego can send as a message? <-- 350 bytes < 1459550738 772532 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of my teachers shaved his glorious lumberjack beard, making him look 10 years younger so he could pretend to be a new student at the beginning of class by just sitting at a desk < 1459550742 538461 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: OK < 1459550752 354121 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the problem is, either the explainxkcd.com folks can't see it either, or for some reason they thought the joke of hiding it is funny and don't want to spoil it (yet). < 1459550758 70392 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I'm pondering making `longcat, which prints out multiple messages < 1459550762 306254 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, that won't work... < 1459550776 90606 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless HackEgo has some direct-to-IRC command < 1459550787 313962 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a longcat? < 1459550794 538613 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`longcat < 1459550805 464342 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: longcat: not found < 1459550809 91391 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I somehow did that without realizing the pun xD < 1459550824 380391 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: oh, you're "pondering making" < 1459550831 694568 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :whew < 1459550833 182388 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: `longcat would be like cat, but it prints multiple messages to show the whole file. < 1459550841 795116 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: anyway, most of the categories are upper bounds, so it's fine to be weaker. < 1459550846 849741 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: yeah, but it doesn't exist < 1459550850 803318 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Which would have potential for abuse < 1459550854 485189 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: we have a command that pastes to a website instead < 1459550857 677201 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: But would also be useful for long HackEgo messages < 1459550872 599787 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: The problem is I don't think there's a way to make HackEgo print more than one message < 1459550881 53030 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: but the wiki says the linear bounded automata is an equivalence actegory, not an upper bound < 1459550939 338264 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Unless HackEgo has some direct-to-IRC command <-- nope. < 1459550941 60334 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, if any of you figure out which category applies (for which you may have to read and ponder the spec very carefully, for it's an esolang so the comp class may not be obvious, even after the definition), and read the wiki descriptions of categories, feel free to add it < 1459550949 92982 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Didn't think so < 1459551022 935249 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: jevalbot is also bounded output, it won't print more than 6 lines of output per evaluation command (in my default config and in evalj; j-bot has the limit raised to I don't know how many lines) < 1459551052 280924 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: OK < 1459551099 62690 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :] ,.i._65 NB. example < 1459551099 390489 :evalj!~jeval@catv-89-133-135-148.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: 64 < 1459551099 553662 :evalj!~jeval@catv-89-133-135-148.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: 63 < 1459551099 553721 :evalj!~jeval@catv-89-133-135-148.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: 62 < 1459551099 553749 :evalj!~jeval@catv-89-133-135-148.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: 61 < 1459551099 553772 :evalj!~jeval@catv-89-133-135-148.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: 60 < 1459551100 241009 :evalj!~jeval@catv-89-133-135-148.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: ... < 1459551127 108147 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can print 6 full lines instead of an ellipsis in the sixth line, but you can't print more than six < 1459551132 381575 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:feff:ff:fe00:316b PRIVMSG #esoteric :...do we have two different bots specifically for evaluating J < 1459551140 349587 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: no, it's the same bot, two instances < 1459551146 266318 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :evalj, source: < 1459551146 475698 :evalj!~jeval@catv-89-133-135-148.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas, jevalbot source is http://www.math.bme.hu/~ambrus/pu/jevalbot.tgz < 1459551150 55431 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: That's even worse < 1459551151 666688 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-bot, source: < 1459551151 945658 :j-bot!~j-bot@li1285-84.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas, jevalbot source is http://www.math.bme.hu/~ambrus/pu/jevalbot.tgz < 1459551166 504410 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Why. Why do we have two identical bots? < 1459551169 543873 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:feff:ff:fe00:316b PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas, I think I was using "bot" to mean "account associated with an instance of a bot" < 1459551171 750707 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: What is the reason? < 1459551208 829805 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :We used to have three different irc bots that can evaluate J, namely besides jevalbot, buubot used to be able to evaluate it (I wrote the J evaluator plugin myself), plus NotJack had a bot he wrote in J. < 1459551236 230076 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: evalj is my instance but I don't run it constantly, only very occasionally start it up and then stop it within a day when I turn off my home computer < 1459551239 3250 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:feff:ff:fe00:316b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can EgoBot? If not, why not? < 1459551262 173229 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: it would probably be possible to install a J interpreter to hackego < 1459551273 834466 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't get my IRC client to work for some reason... < 1459551274 938101 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :we could even do it as a user < 1459551282 218532 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it would output only 1 line per command of course < 1459551308 382629 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1459551480 431190 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:feff:ff:fe00:316b PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm heading to bed now < 1459551482 78479 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:feff:ff:fe00:316b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goodnight! < 1459551568 823080 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bonne tanuitb! < 1459551577 274920 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@time Taneb < 1459551580 266978 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tineb < 1459551591 836014 :evalj!~jeval@catv-89-133-135-148.catv.broadband.hu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1459551755 190037 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@localtime Taneb < 1459551766 271443 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn. no CTCP. < 1459551770 609525 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@localtime shachaf < 1459551772 465679 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for shachaf is Fri Apr 1 16:02:50 2016 < 1459552258 794332 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :@localtime lambdabot < 1459552258 957344 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :I live on the internet, do you expect me to have a local time? < 1459552262 801285 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1459552282 388928 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric : @localtime zgrep < 1459552284 850162 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :@localtime zgrep < 1459552285 454725 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for zgrep is Fri, 01 Apr 2016 23:11:25 GMT < 1459552291 828031 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oevbiojbkxyvopgg PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. < 1459552698 724182 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07NetBytes14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=46728 5* 03Iconmaster 5* (+4415) 10Created page with "'''NetBytes''' is a language created by [[User:iconmaster]] in [[:Category:2016|2016]]. It severely limits the available memory and program length of programs, instead requir..." < 1459552778 986562 :iconmaster!~iconmaste@icon-thinkpad.wireless.rit.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1459552806 887457 :iconmaster!~iconmaste@icon-thinkpad.wireless.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's been years, but I'm finally making another esolang. < 1459552829 588325 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :iconmaster: Cool! < 1459552839 662621 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Iconmaster14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46729&oldid=46719 5* 03Iconmaster 5* (+64) 10 < 1459552885 176483 :iconmaster!~iconmaste@icon-thinkpad.wireless.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, what's been going on here lately? < 1459552940 850631 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :iconmaster: Nothing much < 1459553008 693583 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugh < 1459553019 888968 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For some reason, my IRC client won't connect properly. It times out < 1459553025 826348 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a setup to handle PINGs < 1459553034 277989 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I get an ERROR eventualy < 1459553039 428441 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/l/ll/ < 1459553176 589817 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ELLOL. < 1459553219 12776 :iconmaster!~iconmaste@icon-thinkpad.wireless.rit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ellol to you too! < 1459553270 686282 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :First issue I found: No \r\n < 1459553548 857650 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459553816 158060 :p34k!~p34k@nat-wh-wz4-12.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de QUIT : < 1459553842 569040 :hppavilion[t]!~dos@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459553857 901597 :hppavilion[t]!~dos@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1459553872 405302 :hppavilion[t]!~dos@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459553881 733184 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES < 1459553883 434550 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT WORKED < 1459553960 229581 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavellon[t]! < 1459553964 650583 :hppavilion[t]!~dos@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1459553971 322902 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: It can't chat yet < 1459553975 59221 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: But it receives < 1459554022 555454 :hppavilion[t]!~dos@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459554024 540023 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Test < 1459554044 768748 :hppavilion[t]!~dos@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1459554062 442455 :hppavilion[t]!~dos@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459554065 723757 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Retest < 1459554093 143936 :hppavilion[t]!~dos@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1459554115 601201 :hppavilion[t]!~dos@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459554127 977385 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Testing, testing, 123 < 1459554138 673633 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES! < 1459554149 529338 :hppavilion[t]!~dos@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1459554158 727014 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's enough testing on this channel < 1459554171 759177 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you lack ambition. test more! FOR SCIENCE! < 1459554202 57254 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: *Fine* < 1459554222 623344 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1459554225 532017 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1459554227 729548 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PART #esoteric :"BUGGY CHICKEN" < 1459554227 950557 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1459554263 906487 :Kaynato!~Aedile@cpe-173-88-230-28.neo.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1459554345 321480 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1459554360 7618 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1459554396 984078 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloily < 1459554461 907673 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quinthellopia. < 1459554472 568910 :hppavilion[t]!~dos@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459554509 60480 :hppavilion[t]!~dos@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1459554522 384793 :hppavilion[t]!~dos@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459554535 503067 :hppavilion[t]!~dos@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1459554691 924615 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :bulan < 1459554712 693857 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellodococ < 1459554768 842296 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what haps today < 1459554814 293075 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does HackEgo evaluate underload? < 1459554848 939825 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul didn't this? < 1459554849 139974 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : ...bad insn! < 1459554865 461015 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, fungot, what won't you do? < 1459554865 746050 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :prooftechnique: hm. that's not hardcore enough for you... but unfortunately, regardless of whether i _think_ i want a glass of merlot. < 1459554876 322866 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (test string)::** < 1459554916 490637 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1459554941 476741 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (test string)::**S < 1459554941 639653 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :test stringtest stringtest string < 1459554945 693227 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There we go