< 1460247189 0 :iconmaster!~iconmaste@icon-thinkpad.wireless.rit.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1460247516 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to make up the computer operating system that you can use a Forth environment and a SSH client with double one time pad encryption; the pad data is stored in the computer but also on the external memory which must be XOR together, and then it is further encrypted with a password, and RAM scrambling and hardware security so that it is deleted if someone try to modify the program. The external memory must be attached to your body so that if s < 1460247621 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: that looks truncated < 1460247625 0 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@194.108.5.201 JOIN :#esoteric < 1460247636 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is double one time pad encryption where you xor with the one time pad twice, for extra security? < 1460247636 0 :earendel!~earendel@unaffiliated/earendel QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1460247637 0 :earendel!~earendel@176.6.122.6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1460247637 0 :earendel!~earendel@176.6.122.6 QUIT :Changing host < 1460247637 0 :earendel!~earendel@unaffiliated/earendel JOIN :#esoteric < 1460247924 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: of course not, everyone knows that's the identity. you need to use sum instead of xor hth < 1460248102 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION thinks math trolling may be too hard.
< 1460248153 0 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bauwlchzzotbpcht JOIN :#esoteric < 1460248182 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and boily never mapoled me up there. i seem to flying high. < 1460248190 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*to be < 1460248201 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm now he's gone. < 1460248303 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: obviously i meant you compute plaintext ^ pad and then you compute plaintext ^ pad a second time < 1460248353 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1460248374 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well in that case you need it three times so you can do a proper error correction hth < 1460248647 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1460248674 0 :lambda-11235!~lambda-11@47.208.113.50 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1460248880 0 :lambda-11235!~lambda-11@47.208.113.50 JOIN :#esoteric < 1460249297 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1460250617 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: No, double one time pad is when you use two separate pads < 1460250630 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :half-time pad < 1460250654 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Which can be combined into one by XOR operation, although it is called double because they are stored on separate memory) < 1460250669 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If my message is truncated, to what point? < 1460250722 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"so that if s" < 1460250756 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The external memory must be attached to your body so that if someone steal the computer, the external memory is broken. < 1460250796 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Some sort of error detection is also needed, in order to prevent someone from tampering with the data being sent across the network.) < 1460250925 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hopefully it can be understandable? < 1460250972 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm reminded to http://www.xkcd.com/538/ < 1460251069 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since it is SSH with one time pad including external memory that can be broken, the police can hit you with a wrench and force you to tell them the password, but it will not be of any help to them. Next time you use it, the password will have been changed. < 1460251121 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*reminded of < 1460251128 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't forget the drugging part < 1460251194 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: and, like some people who device similar encryption schemes point out, even if the police can't access your data this way, it may cause the police to deliberately inconvenience you very seriously in other ways < 1460251215 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :All of the data is stored remotely anyways, so it won't help. The key will be destroyed by the time the data is accessed, and once the data is gone from the screen, the RAM is scrambled too so it cannot be recovered. This includes even if they try to install spyware on the computer, the remaining keys will go missing and the data is now no longer accessible anyways. < 1460251243 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Yes, that is still possible. < 1460251244 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1460251260 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still I do not mean protection only from the police and government, but also from common thieves and so on, of course < 1460251487 0 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@194.108.5.201 QUIT :Quit: *bubbles away* < 1460251496 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course it will not stop anyone from inconveniencing or killing you. < 1460251512 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But they can do that even if you do not own a computer.) < 1460252000 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It also won't prevent local files from being accessed < 1460252037 0 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1460252645 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wboily < 1460252931 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1460253199 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1460253556 0 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :de retœurjan. < 1460253733 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1460254015 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1460254479 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1460254769 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1460254788 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sbus/SBus is the standard bus in many a Sun SPARC-based system, capable of coping with thirty-two (32) bits in parallel, at rates of around 16.67 to 25 MHz. There is a 96-pin connector, and the cards lay parallel to the motherboard, like toppings on a sandwich. < 1460254847 0 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :which was the most piniest connector in history? < 1460254900 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: maybe some of the modern CPU connections? < 1460254911 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :For Intel cpus < 1460256011 0 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed. CPU sockets are piny. < 1460256018 0 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(piny? pinny? pinnerous?) < 1460256060 0 :earendel!~earendel@unaffiliated/earendel PRIVMSG #esoteric :so sbus is somewhere between eisa and pci < 1460256066 0 :earendel!~earendel@unaffiliated/earendel PRIVMSG #esoteric :vlb < 1460256097 0 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :earendello. vlb? < 1460256099 0 :earendel!~earendel@unaffiliated/earendel PRIVMSG #esoteric :vesa local bus.. 80486 < 1460256103 0 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1460256128 0 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jellonas. what about external connectors? centronix, maybe? < 1460256240 0 :earendel!~earendel@unaffiliated/earendel PRIVMSG #esoteric :was it the printer connector? < 1460256248 0 :earendel!~earendel@unaffiliated/earendel PRIVMSG #esoteric :lpt1 < 1460256540 0 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ds01-214-177.dynamic.mtsallstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1460257143 0 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bauwlchzzotbpcht QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1460257176 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1460258807 0 :lambda-11235!~lambda-11@47.208.113.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there any esoteric statically typed languages? < 1460258858 0 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellombda-11235. I think Glass is statically typed. < 1460258926 0 :lambda-11235!~lambda-11@47.208.113.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm specifically thinking of an ML like language whose only datatype is a polymorphic function. < 1460259028 0 :lambda-11235!~lambda-11@47.208.113.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ML sans ADTs, functors, conditionals, ..., basicaly only function definitions. < 1460259801 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambda-11235: So just ST λ-calculus? < 1460259846 0 :lambda-11235!~lambda-11@47.208.113.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: Yep < 1460260034 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambda-11235: Do you have an issue with ST λ-calculus as the language of choice? It's a little eso < 1460260075 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambda-11235: I'm trying to make a language for Nomicing < 1460260107 0 :lambda-11235!~lambda-11@47.208.113.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: Lack of implementation and syntax. < 1460260120 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambda-11235: Lack of syntax? How so? < 1460260165 0 :lambda-11235!~lambda-11@47.208.113.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: I assume you're talking about System-F when you ST λ-calculus? < 1460260187 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambda-11235: Not sure. I've heard of ST λ, but I don't know which ones there are < 1460260228 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambda-11235: It appears I am not < 1460260245 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In contrast, systems which introduce polymorphic types (like System F)..." < 1460260287 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambda-11235: I can probably hack together an interpreted statically-typed functional language < 1460260302 0 :lambda-11235!~lambda-11@47.208.113.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: The problem is they use math notation, which is variable. ML is the closest I've seen to a strict syntax. < 1460260306 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambda-11235: One with nothing but polymorphic functions < 1460260324 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambda-11235: Do you want pattern matching? < 1460260355 0 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca QUIT :Quit: DISHWASHER CHICKEN < 1460260365 0 :lambda-11235!~lambda-11@47.208.113.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: Not if it only has functions. < 1460260382 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambda-11235: OK < 1460260425 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambda-11235: No tuples? < 1460260465 0 :lambda-11235!~lambda-11@47.208.113.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: Only functions, hold on I have an EBNF. < 1460260471 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambda-11235: OK < 1460260476 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambda-11235: EBNF will be helpful < 1460260484 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambda-11235: Python 3 interpreter acceptable? < 1460260545 0 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ds01-214-177.dynamic.mtsallstream.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1460260747 0 :lambda-11235!~lambda-11@47.208.113.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: http://lpaste.net/159372, python 3 would be fine. < 1460260813 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambda-11235: Wait, isn't "Nat" a type? < 1460260820 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a non-polymorphic type? < 1460260846 0 :lambda-11235!~lambda-11@47.208.113.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nat is just a type expansion. < 1460260868 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambda-11235: OK, I don't know ML. I know a bit of haskell, but that's about it < 1460260877 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambda-11235: I don't think I'll be able to help you. Sorry :/ < 1460260884 0 :lambda-11235!~lambda-11@47.208.113.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you don't have to write ((a -> a) -> a -> a) everytime. < 1460260900 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oooooooooooh < 1460260904 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see now < 1460260938 0 :lambda-11235!~lambda-11@47.208.113.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No worries, I was going to write an interpreter myself, but I'm short on time right now. < 1460260942 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1460262033 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : lambda-11235: Not sure. I've heard of ST λ, but I don't know which ones there are <-- ST in this context usually doesn't mean "statically typed", but "simply typed", which is a particularly weak version without "real" polymorphism. afaiu system F is much easier to define data types in. < 1460262203 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ML uses hindley-milner, which is somewhere in between. < 1460262369 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :you obviously haven't heard of the seriously typed lambda calculus < 1460262875 0 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@194.108.5.201 JOIN :#esoteric < 1460263020 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is true. < 1460263029 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, was true. < 1460263087 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1460263586 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am making the Z-machine assembler in JavaScript and I may need two documents; one document describing the input of the program and another document describing the API for writing extensions. What is some feature you might think this API might need to have (that I might not have thought of already)? < 1460263820 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are cases in JavaScript where I will want to use the >>= operator of Haskell < 1460263827 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(on arrays mainly) < 1460264249 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could do it like this: function(ar,f){var out=[]; ar.forEach(x=>out.push.apply(out,f(x))); return out;} < 1460264314 0 :centrinia!~centrinia@107-208-218-105.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1460264343 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a better way? < 1460264519 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly this way: (ar,f)=>ar.reduce((x,y)=>(x.push.apply(x,f(y)),x),[]) < 1460264627 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :[].concat.apply([],ar.map(f)) < 1460264650 0 :deltab!~deltab@cpc1-smal2-0-0-cust155.19-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION nods
< 1460264728 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1460265193 0 :Kaynato!~Aedile@cpe-173-88-230-28.neo.res.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1460265406 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now there is encodeText which encodes a full text using Black-Johansen, and encodeVocab which is used only for vocabulary words and acts like the ZWSTR instruction of Z-machine (it uses only temporary shifts, no "frequent words" codes, always pads with Z-character 5, and limits the output to a fixed length). < 1460265844 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1460265925 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1460265987 0 :iconmaster!~iconmaste@icon-thinkpad.wireless.rit.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1460266459 0 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@194.108.5.201 QUIT :Quit: *bubbles away* < 1460266612 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Is not the title of any book so far as I know" is not the title of any book so far as I know. But, do you know of any book with such title? < 1460266680 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know a book called "What is the name of this book?". < 1460266687 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe that's its title. < 1460266717 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote preceded < 1460266719 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1005) "would be a good name for a band when preceded by its quotation" would be a good name for a band when preceded by its quotation < 1460266816 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you going to make up such band? < 1460267074 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"is zzo38's true name" is zzo38's true name < 1460267104 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, I didn't know that. I thought I should know my own name < 1460267172 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you a cat, maybe? < 1460267177 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think you are. < 1460267180 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://famouspoetsandpoems.com/poets/t__s__eliot/poems/15121 < 1460267238 0 :coppro!~scshunt@corn-syrup.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NIE4nqcLYQ < 1460267266 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also think I am not < 1460268629 0 :deltab!~deltab@cpc1-smal2-0-0-cust155.19-1.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1460268816 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1460269322 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1460269383 0 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-vtwlxapvwkmvzljh QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1460269442 0 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-yvuzzdvkteqrnzip JOIN :#esoteric < 1460269745 0 :deltab!~deltab@cpc1-smal2-0-0-cust155.19-1.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1460271764 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know a card game "one poker"? < 1460271988 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Each player gets two cards (face-down), and your opponent will know how many of your cards are higher than seven (ace is high). You play one card (opponent won't yet know if it is high or low), and then bet, and then expose the card you played and the highest card wins, except that a deuce beats an ace. After that they are discarded, the card you did not play is kept and you get one new card for the next hand. < 1460272037 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You then again must tell to your opponent how many of your two cards now are higher than seven, and do same thing again as before (you can play either the new card or the card you kept from before). < 1460272172 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like this? < 1460272448 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1460272697 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1460273256 0 :lambda-11235!~lambda-11@47.208.113.50 QUIT :Quit: Bye < 1460273625 0 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1460274875 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :adu hasn't been here in a while < 1460274942 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Were you the one who designed predicate nomic? < 1460276248 0 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Quit: 1 found in /dev/zero < 1460277338 0 :Reece`!~Ner@cpc4-wiga13-2-0-cust799.18-3.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1460278168 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1460278892 0 :gremlins!~Ner@cpc4-wiga13-2-0-cust799.18-3.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1460278953 0 :Reece`!~Ner@cpc4-wiga13-2-0-cust799.18-3.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1460279560 0 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly JOIN :#esoteric < 1460279683 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1460279956 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1460280170 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1460280178 0 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :yey < 1460281359 0 :aloril_!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw1-54fa3f-129.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1460281555 0 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw1-54fa3f-129.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1460281812 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1460282712 0 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw1-54fa3f-129.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1460282765 0 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw1-54fa3f-129.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1460283614 0 :Reece`!~Ner@cpc4-wiga13-2-0-cust799.18-3.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1460283663 0 :gremlins!~Ner@cpc4-wiga13-2-0-cust799.18-3.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1460284247 0 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw1-54fa3f-129.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1460284414 0 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw1-54fa3f-129.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1460284961 0 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw1-54fa3f-129.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1460285035 0 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw1-54fa3f-129.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1460285091 0 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw1-54fa3f-129.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1460285310 0 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw1-54fa3f-129.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1460286377 0 :mroman!b2c6818f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.198.129.143 JOIN :#esoteric < 1460286394 0 :mroman!b2c6818f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.198.129.143 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does any of you guys know a free webmail provider for anonymous e-mail accounts? < 1460286413 0 :mroman!b2c6818f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.198.129.143 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and by anonymous I just mean that I don't have to verify my identity by providing a postal address or mobile phone number < 1460286463 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I've ever had to provide a postal address or mobile phone number... There was that time Hotmail made it really hard to see the "ignore this nonsense and let me get into my email account" link, though. < 1460286484 0 :mroman!b2c6818f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.198.129.143 PRIVMSG #esoteric :google requires a real name < 1460286491 0 :mroman!b2c6818f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.198.129.143 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's in their ToS < 1460286500 0 :mroman!b2c6818f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.198.129.143 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you provide fake details you risk that they delete your account < 1460286529 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can I provide initials? >:D < 1460286566 0 :mroman!b2c6818f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.198.129.143 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and lying is actually probably a crime < 1460286598 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, do you really think they'd suspect John Apley of not being a person? < 1460286609 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Who is John Apley? IDK. That's the point.) < 1460286664 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Unless John Apley is a real name that I picked up from somewhere and never realized. Hmm.) < 1460286813 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:feff:ff:fe00:316b PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never met anyone by the name of Apley < 1460286837 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good! Basically, there are multiple solutions to the problem. Solution 1 is "you don't seriously believe people actually check for fake names, do you?". Solution 2 is to go find a provider, and presumably one that won't spy on your emails, < 1460286876 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Solution 3 is just to setup SMTP & POP3 on a server and hope you never talk to anyone using Hotmail (they completely reject anything from a dynamic IP address). < 1460287116 0 :mroman!b2c6818f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.198.129.143 PRIVMSG #esoteric :alright < 1460287128 0 :mroman!b2c6818f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.198.129.143 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you get an email from apleyjohn@gmail.com that'll be me :D < 1460287152 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay! Now I have to go advance my Fake Name Calendar. < 1460287160 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION flips over a sheet and gets out a pen
< 1460287167 0 :mroman!b2c6818f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.198.129.143 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: pretty much all E-Mail providers reject e-mails from a server you just set up at home :D < 1460287174 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, GMail doesn't. < 1460287181 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it does put it in the Spam folder. < 1460287198 0 :mroman!b2c6818f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.198.129.143 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need an mx entry for sure < 1460287201 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And all my tests have been after sending an email from GMail to the account first so it counts as "solicited". < 1460287222 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aha, the good old "you need an MX entry" myth. Nope, MX is just an optional redirect. < 1460287233 0 :mroman!b2c6818f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.198.129.143 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not a myth. < 1460287242 0 :mroman!b2c6818f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.198.129.143 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you send something with FROM: foo@bla.ch < 1460287245 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Feel free to email me at gamemanj@gamemanj.duckdns.org. < 1460287258 0 :mroman!b2c6818f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.198.129.143 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they will make a reverse lookup for bla.ch, check if you have an mx record < 1460287271 0 :mroman!b2c6818f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.198.129.143 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and check if the src ip matches the one of the mx entry < 1460287466 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In theory, I'd agree with you - in practice, I did tests. It does go into the Spam folder, but emails to and from the server do work. < 1460288245 0 :deltab!~deltab@cpc1-smal2-0-0-cust155.19-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the MX query fails, it should do an A query < 1460288261 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exactly. < 1460288606 0 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-yvuzzdvkteqrnzip QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1460288632 0 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-rtkddxcpjsaodkli JOIN :#esoteric < 1460288768 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but having their emails delivered to the recipient's spam folder isn't what most people want from a mail server. < 1460288866 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I considered that, but would the emails from an "anonymous email account provider" reach the inbox, either? < 1460288943 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, probably not... but for different reasons (they're bound to have trouble with abuse management and then end up in spam filters simply because a lot of spam originates there...) < 1460289090 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Different reasons, but the same result. Again, there is still a problem with Solution 3, which is that if you're using a dynamic IP Hotmail will reject anything you send. < 1460289213 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Hence it's the last solution and not the second or first - there are problems with running your own email server, but if you can't find an email provider that meets your requirements, aka. solutions 1 and 2, what do you do?) < 1460290559 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1460290681 0 :gremlins!~Ner@cpc4-wiga13-2-0-cust799.18-3.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1460290713 0 :Reece`!~Ner@cpc4-wiga13-2-0-cust799.18-3.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1460290840 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1460291981 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1460294389 0 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1460294954 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1460295198 0 :mroman!b2c6818f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.198.129.143 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1460295632 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1460296024 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1460296222 0 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :@massages-loud < 1460296222 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't have any messages < 1460296382 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:feff:ff:fe00:316b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugh, panicked revision < 1460296486 0 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-254-207.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1460297286 0 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-kjdymdqmnlmqmcwi QUIT :Excess Flood < 1460297381 0 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-rwlwklllbggubofm JOIN :#esoteric < 1460298034 0 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-254-207.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1460298242 0 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :esonums < 1460298275 0 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyways, why is the time dimension negative and not division? < 1460298283 0 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. 3m/2s < 1460298290 0 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's 3m-2s??? < 1460298323 0 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :never understood it < 1460298531 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:feff:ff:fe00:316b PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1460298610 0 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdhellococ. ? < 1460299001 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1460299440 0 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION lightly mapoles rdococ
< 1460299453 0 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :*thwack thwack thwack* < 1460299461 0 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tanelle. he seems to have gone catatonic. < 1460299482 0 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :*thwack thwack* *thwack* *thwackitty thwack* < 1460299495 0 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :*thwuck* ♪ < 1460299550 0 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :...? < 1460299556 0 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's alive! < 1460299564 0 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean, by negative time? < 1460300734 0 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... not exactly alive. < 1460300749 0 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION shakes rdococ “NEGATIVE TIME! NEGATIVE TIME!”
< 1460300875 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: He means: "The universe has no end, though it does have a beginning. --- Infinite." (Ok, probably not. I'm literally reading that off of the front of a random book.) < 1460300875 0 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, WHAT? < 1460300895 0 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :duh < 1460300904 0 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :a flying spaghetti monster wanted to make us < 1460300935 0 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sending you to time coordinates (Error: space is relative < 1460300957 0 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :but esospace isn't < 1460300969 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(...I wonder why people keep referring to flying spaghetti monsters? It doesn't happen that often, but it's interesting that it's still relatively common...) < 1460300992 0 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I believe it's a religion made up to show how dumb the creator believes religions are) < 1460301149 0 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :may you be touched by His Noodly Appendage. Ramen. < 1460301272 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(note to self: it is a good thing I don't eat pot noodles as it would probably be offensive to ) < 1460301328 0 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to up your pasta game. fresh noodles, homemade stock and broth, freshly braised cuts of meats... < 1460301367 0 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( some nori on the side, ajitsuke tamago, corn... *drool*... ) < 1460301446 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(note to self: research the proper name instead of referring to as an Unknown Classifier indexed by a numeric-keyboard-mash ID) < 1460301528 0 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :[EXPUNGED] :D < 1460301549 0 :deltab!~deltab@cpc1-smal2-0-0-cust155.19-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://gregegan.customer.netspace.net.au/ORTHOGONAL/00/PM.html < 1460301614 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: Unfortunately, an object in the system with String ID "index$EXPUNGED" also exists. It has links to IDs: "SCP Foundation" "Annoyances" "Things To Use To Annoy People" < 1460301619 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1460301680 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(How to annoy anyone who actually wants to be able to read something: hide all your [EXPUNGED] in [NEED O5 LEVEL] and [REMOVED] your [DELETED]) < 1460301934 0 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :([REDACTED]! gamemanj's [DELETED] [PURGED] me [Content de-4Error < 1460302016 0 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :o_o < 1460302068 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, what on eart-[{yield uses up UNKNOWN instructions of the next frame.} if @yieldOk then @finalReturn else @yieldFail; @finalReturn; @yieldOk = @id+0; { false } ); < 1460302077 0 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :IRC [redacted] [Expunged] [Content de-4Error < 1460302107 0 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-254-207.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1460302128 0 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is this chat glit4 < 1460302155 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it's because of the Ctrl-Ks? [import_spr @bank_video bkg 0 0 256 256 65536;] < 1460302163 0 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Best way to troll someone: alϕwЀaϚyЂsКШϹψγήΖΎΥ < 1460302261 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(rdococ: I'm just copying random stuff that only makes sense with a very long description.) < 1460302278 0 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :
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< 1460302288 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welp, that's a shame. < 1460302291 0 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOL < 1460302295 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I get it < 1460302300 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would've been orange if it was real < 1460302319 0 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :
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< 1460302322 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1460302329 0 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1460302347 0 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :same client as me < 1460302354 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :7* 3rdococ < 1460302364 0 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does my nick show as? < 1460302367 0 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :what color? < 1460302376 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I already showed you. < 1460302377 0 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: you are blue. < 1460302382 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Green to me. < 1460302391 0 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's if I ping you < 1460302398 0 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :or you changed color scheme < 1460302424 0 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :my 8yellow is actually easy to read < 1460302451 0 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :8if you don't need to highlight this to read it, you probably have HexChat < 1460302470 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :8yes I do < 1460302480 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :0but can you read THIS? < 1460302482 0 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love HexChat because of these conveniences < 1460302669 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/dMppSnF.png < 1460302764 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :italic text: the new way to annoy people with pixel perfect fonts < 1460302772 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1460302797 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ shorter and not-italic version for izabera: "Italic Text: Do not use it" < 1460302836 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, nice font < 1460302847 0 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://imgur.com/nPyVhOf < 1460302877 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :your color scheme is awful < 1460302885 0 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :whose? < 1460302888 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :yours < 1460302892 0 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :mine? < 1460302894 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, so Boily doesn't get italics, Izabera doesn't want them, and I'm capitalizing names and am probably going to be shouted at for it. < 1460302897 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes boily < 1460302913 0 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's Ubuntu's default and/or approximatively default colourscheme. < 1460302917 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's awful < 1460302925 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gamemanj: yeah fuck you < 1460302928 0 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like it ^^ < 1460303068 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can read the yellow text just fine incirssi < 1460303129 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/nci/n i/ < 1460303245 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :using incredibly specially formatted text, such as capital letters, quotes, numerics, italics, bold, underline, pixel art, ascii art, embedded message fonts, buffer allocation ctcps, shader execution ctcps, and other potentially performance and experience degrading symbols and mechanisms, is not a good idea. < 1460303486 0 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shaders? for 2D monospace text? < 1460303502 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: you actually read that? < 1460303624 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if you thought that was supposed to make sense, recall the bit about capital letters and quotes, then reconsider.) < 1460303854 0 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's text. it's meant to be read. if push come to shove, it'll make the quotes. or become fungot fodder. mwah ah ah ah. < 1460303855 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: the two french initiatives intended to better combat illegal immigration and the trafficking of women is flourishing. in the irish constitution which, fortunately, has been ratified within a year? the commission is calling for more resources, more employees and more powers but, all this is related to the notorious ' small steps forward must be accepted in these discussions several rather abolitionist associations have tr < 1460303901 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...I wondered where that befunge-nomming quote-eating markovian madman went! < 1460303979 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1460304021 0 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellørjan. < 1460304249 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bohily. < 1460304447 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohai < 1460304493 0 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jellonas. < 1460305486 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1460306622 0 :iconmaster!~iconmaste@129.21.122.8 JOIN :#esoteric < 1460306645 0 :acertain!~acertain@unaffiliated/fread2281 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1460306935 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For email you could use your ISP smarthost for senting and to avoid the problem to be rejected by dynamic addresses; you can set a SMTP server to receive though < 1460307047 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For me at least, receiving's fine. It's sending that's the problem. Question: What's an "ISP smarthost"? < 1460307192 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least if you set up Exim it will ask you to use a "smarthost" which means that you will send through your ISP's SMTP < 1460307263 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Things I searched for involving mail relay by the ISP seem to revolve around business. < 1460307291 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I was a business, however, I wouldn't have any problems in the first place, as I'd have a static IP. < 1460307313 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it's basically useless. < 1460307363 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : but it's 3m-2s??? <-- where did you hear such a ridiculous thing twh < 1460307371 0 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :idk < 1460307390 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or are you confusing with minkowski space. < 1460307396 0 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1460307412 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in which case it's not negative, but imaginary, and you don't add different coordinates like that. < 1460307500 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you do something like sqrt((2s)^2 - (3m)^2) with some c's thrown in to make the units match. < 1460307516 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*-something like < 1460307537 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the result is the time elapsed as experienced by the moving object. < 1460307552 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(aka proper time) < 1460307573 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: Can't you have a email account by your ISP though? < 1460307574 0 :muimui!~muz@c-68-45-52-180.hsd1.in.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1460307641 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can also do the same thing with energy and momentum, in which case you get the rest mass. < 1460307696 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, mass. < 1460307714 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Not that I know of, and besides, that would just be (accountname)@(theirdomain), not gamemanj@gamemanj.duckdns.org (TODO: maybe get .co.uk) < 1460307718 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION swats himself for adding the redundant "rest" -----###
< 1460307951 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Since it's on dynamic dns, and said dynamic DNS is pretty primitive (A record only. Not even IPv6...), I also don't get to change the MX record, and then there's making any workaround forwarding support SSL, so any forwarding would involve lots of stunnel and lots of prayer. < 1460308019 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@ejn27.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1460308028 0 :Kaynato!~Aedile@cpe-173-88-230-28.neo.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1460308041 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could set the return address to your own domain name and don't have to be the account from ISP < 1460308083 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although do you need SSL support with it? Probably it doesn't need; the message can be encrypted separately anyways < 1460308154 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Well, no requirement for SSL, but it's a nice bonus. Anyway, AFAIK there's no magical mail forwarding address I could send stuff to for bypassing the dynamic IP restriction, such a thing would be tantamount to an open relay anyway. < 1460308162 0 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-254-207.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1460308168 0 :muimui!~muz@c-68-45-52-180.hsd1.in.comcast.net PART #esoteric : < 1460308191 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: It's only really a problem if interacting with Hotmail accounts. And since I haven't actually used the mail server for anything major yet, it's not really a problem. < 1460308209 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least in ISP I am using, there is a SMTP server which is only available when connected from within the ISP's network < 1460308263 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@ejn27.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1460308265 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Yes, but the thing is, that SMTP server probably won't accept messages with arbitrary From: addresses. < 1460308325 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For me it works, and even if it doesn't you could put the proper address in the MIME header instead < 1460308386 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's pretty close to an open relay. < 1460308398 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess if it's within the ISP's network, they can track abuse, though. < 1460308429 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes they could < 1460308458 0 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-254-207.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1460308636 0 :earendel!~earendel@unaffiliated/earendel QUIT :Quit: earendel < 1460308688 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : . o O ( some nori on the side, ajitsuke tamago, corn... *drool*... ) <-- . o O ( when will boily drop out of programming and start his own restaurant... ) < 1460308905 0 :lambda-11235!~lambda-11@47.208.113.50 JOIN :#esoteric < 1460309015 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : [Long quote, see above.] ajitsuke tamago [more quote] <-- . o O ( What's ajitsuke tamago? Is it a just-in-time version of some sort of programming language? ) < 1460309071 0 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: seriously, I often think about having my own café when I go to sleep. a little bit too often. it's disturbing. < 1460309073 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Google Translate gives "Seasoned egg.", but I have a hunch it's not that simple, or boily would have just typed "Seasoned egg"... ) < 1460309075 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :aka "ramen egg", apparently. < 1460309080 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@vps.jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1460309105 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: *MWAHAHAHA* < 1460309121 0 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: it's a half-boiled egg you soak in marinade. the Chinese have their variant tea-egg. both are quite similar. < 1460309160 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: Thanks for informing me. Now I have proof my remote dream injection system works! I will make millions! < 1460309182 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...and then be forced to pay oerjan most of it in patent licencing fees. < 1460309189 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i smell a True Dream hth < 1460309293 0 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll stick with my regular gig for the moment htah. < 1460309336 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: hey, stop ruining my spiritual coaching twh < 1460309351 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mwuhahahaha! < 1460309382 0 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION thwacks gamemanj “you have to ask an accredited evil laugher first before cackling evilly”
< 1460309413 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You mean oerjan is an accredited evil laugher? < 1460309423 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or are you just discriminating on who you thwack? < 1460309434 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a grandfather clause hth < 1460309475 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fine. I won't evilly laugh without oerjan's permission... < 1460309498 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo Mwuhahah! Mwuhahahaha! < 1460309504 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...no? < 1460309513 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1460309516 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION winds HackEgo's crank
< 1460309532 0 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: mwah ah ah ^^ < 1460309532 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION turns HackEgo's large and highly visible clockwork screw
< 1460309547 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mwuhahah! Mwuhahahaha! < 1460309672 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so far we have determined that HackEgo has a crank and a clockwork screw, and turning both made it/him/her/[this entry reserved for future expansion] work once. < 1460309821 0 :canaimito!~canaima@186.167.242.174 JOIN :#esoteric < 1460309868 0 :canaimito!~canaima@186.167.242.174 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1460310019 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, does HackEgo really have and clockwork screw? I assumed it was a Frankenstein's Monster kind of screw instead. < 1460310019 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: mr president, many other people are more likely to paralyse growth and employment: improving quality and sustainability ( com(2000) 888 fnord/ 2001) < 1460310069 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, is that like http://www.xkcd.com/1007/ < 1460310070 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: madam president, if you will allow me, madam president, firstly i should like to close with a short quotation by george bernard shaw, who said to me: ‘i hear that you have suggested. < 1460310073 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1460310084 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, what on earth happened to fungot!?!?! < 1460310085 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: mr president, mr rübig, half a million of our fellow citizens before the elections, it is 100 years since the soviet invasion saw a country that has traditionally opposed the big countries to have higher salaries? in its present form, where we hurried to apply measures concerning quality, traceability, market monitoring, the promotion and strengthening of controls. it would provide more adequate answers for europe. < 1460310102 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not the President! < 1460310102 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: what do you maen? he seems all right to me. < 1460310107 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least as all right as he usually is < 1460310118 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: "mr president" this, "madam president" that < 1460310123 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:feff:ff:fe00:316b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this the europarl corpus < 1460310135 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, lorem ipsum el dolor. < 1460310136 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: mr president, and mandela was and remains convinced of the importance of this service will soon be as many sign languages as there are still differences in the field to the programme: ' i know that the dialogue between the two sexes. it is then that we are making very good headway in research and development, the legal basis before implementing any community expenditure. as your rapporteur is of the opinion of the com < 1460310158 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :See? It's locked to stuff about a president. < 1460310227 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: have you not been introduced to ^style twh < 1460310231 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1460310231 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl* ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack oots pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube < 1460310236 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style europarl < 1460310236 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: europarl (European Parliament speeches during approx. 1996-2006) < 1460310255 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ^style < 1460310263 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​^style? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1460310263 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? europarl < 1460310265 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :europarl ? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1460310273 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^lovecraft < 1460310276 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot < 1460310277 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: mr president, having talked about bulgaria, which are not reliable. so what solutions do we have to make a start on the annual budget of the european parliament at the conference in kyoto, it may seem paradoxical to say the least. it was the wish to encourage, to continue to count on the expertise already available in the commission' s initiative to create jobs. < 1460310279 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1460310286 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style fungot < 1460310286 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: fungot (What I've said myself) < 1460310297 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...I've confused myself now < 1460310315 0 :Kaynato!~Aedile@cpe-173-88-230-28.neo.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What algorithm is behind fungot? < 1460310315 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kaynato: and, dab, words like pop-culture should use the binary level, then i say lo, world! < 1460310325 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kaynato: Think it's supposed to be based on markov chains < 1460310340 0 :Kaynato!~Aedile@cpe-173-88-230-28.neo.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, I suppose. char-rnn is always a pretty fun thing though < 1460310375 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good news is it's on GitHub. https://github.com/fis/fungot Just have fun trying to understand the code... < 1460310375 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: that is just a value of type " airbus is a big fan of avril....but this song " there < 1460310481 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kaynato: variable length word-based markov chains < 1460310520 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj, shrooms < 1460310543 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Strings written backwards, toggle switches, values placed on stack to be discarded at a conditional which I can't understand since I don't understand lunar runes inscribed upon tablets...) < 1460310559 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's like BytePusher files in hex editors, but worse.) < 1460310685 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Huh. I started thinking I understood the general structure for a second. Then I saw the privmsg handling and realized only one thing - that I knew nothing.) < 1460310703 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Later < 1460310864 0 :lambda-11235!~lambda-11@47.208.113.50 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1460310954 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(After some reflection, I guess the code is nicer than the theoretically most complicated and evil Befunge code possible.) < 1460311401 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's wrong with backwards strings? Befunge can have strings in all four cardinal directions. < 1460311431 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some befunge variants can probably have strings with any delta. < 1460311443 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, technically in terms of what is acceptable to a Befunge interpreter "wrong"? Nothing. In terms of what's sane, however... < 1460312253 0 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca QUIT :Quit: SKULL CHICKEN < 1460312720 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1460313027 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1460313124 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@vps.jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1460313893 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :the awkward moment when the alphago paper is written in word instead of latex < 1460313930 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe people should just write papers in Markdown < 1460313971 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that way, it's easily converted to whatever it's needed in < 1460314114 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just use Plain TeX and convert to DVI for printout < 1460314129 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Although troff can also output to DVI) < 1460314288 0 :evalj!~jeval@catv-89-133-135-148.catv.broadband.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1460314348 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\footline={\hfil Produced by Blah Corporation. \folio} Yay for Plain \TeX !\par It's very useful\footnote{$^1$}{If you know the commands.}! < 1460314366 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Note: The above is untested.) < 1460314396 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@vps.jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1460314644 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: you know, writing papers in word isn't such a stupid idea these days than it used to be ten years ago when people started to hate that kind of thing. especially not for non-maths papers. < 1460314754 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: part of the problem was always that the people who wrote papers in word were the kind of people who didn't know how to write papers in word either < 1460314762 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and that's still part of the problem) < 1460314855 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :very rarely, you can see really badly formatted papers written in LaTeX too. you know, ones with less than signs instead of angle brackets like < a|b + c >=< a|b > + < a|c > and even more horrible things that I can't even approximate in ascii < 1460315198 0 :p34k!~p34k@nat-wh-wz4-12.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1460315323 0 :centrinia!~centrinia@107-208-218-105.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1460315778 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Brainfuck minus -14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=46763 5* 03Keymaker 5* (+12441) 10Showing that brainfuck is Turing-complete without '-'. Also includes a B-machine translator. < 1460315798 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like a trivial proof < 1460315812 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :replace - with 255 +, done < 1460315827 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :unbounded cells < 1460315832 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1460315860 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, in this case translate your program into bounded bf first :p < 1460315902 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not that trivial < 1460315938 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1460315939 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...turing-complete without '+'? doesn't that mean that for [ purposes, brainfuck memory is like PROM - write once, read always, but never write again... < 1460315982 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Brainfuck derivatives with nontrivial computational class proofs14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46764&oldid=46698 5* 03Keymaker 5* (+166) 10Linked BM-. < 1460316123 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Brainfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46765&oldid=46653 5* 03Keymaker 5* (+157) 10Mentioned BM-. < 1460316187 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wang B-machine does not allow marks on the tape to be modified or erased once they are written, although it is possible to write additional marks on other positions on the tape < 1460316252 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yet it is still Turing-complete < 1460316291 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yes, but brainfuck is more restricted in its control structures < 1460316305 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1460316306 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is it important to have unbounded cells if you only set them to 1 < 1460316345 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: because you don't have convenient control structures to increase the cell only if it's not zero? < 1460316348 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :only if it's zero < 1460316350 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1460316391 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe, “this is not a brainfuck derivative, this is merely a way for programming brainfuck without using '-'” – he's trying hard to rationalize it < 1460316428 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: the point of using unbounded cells is that 255 + is basically just '-' anyway, so it's cheating. < 1460316475 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: um, modulo and unbounded aren't the only alternatives. there's also just raising an error if you go outside the range. < 1460316494 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1460316544 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Wang program14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46766&oldid=41258 5* 03Keymaker 5* (+239) 10Linked BM-. < 1460316553 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: "The Brainfuck program that we use to control the dinosaur entry prevention mechanism is running...! ... BOUNDED CELL FAULT" would be a very evil ending to a book. < 1460316685 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not more evil than "oh my got an overflow" < 1460316759 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@vps.jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1460316873 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A note: if '+' is run only once for a given cell anyway, the code is probably valid Boolfuck too. < 1460316958 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: lol < 1460317017 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...and if you replace '+' with * it's also valid Smallfuck... < 1460317062 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it may be valid in a lot of bf derivates < 1460317072 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's part of why they suck < 1460317100 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :every clear subset does not deserve the name derivate anyways < 1460317217 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh. Apparently Smallfuck has limited data storage, though it doesn't actually say how much - it's implementation-dependent. So, nvm. < 1460317461 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Brainfuck derivatives with nontrivial computational class proofs14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46767&oldid=46764 5* 03Keymaker 5* (+25) 10Mentioned non-wrapping cells. < 1460317833 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just read the topic and saw the "kitten typesetting" line... and how exactly does one typeset a kitten? < 1460317902 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You load kittens into a typewriter, destroying both. < 1460317911 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...that's horrible. < 1460317926 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I know, and that is why you should not do that < 1460317978 0 :earendel!~earendel@unaffiliated/earendel JOIN :#esoteric < 1460318012 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, gamemanj is like the third person who asks about kitten typesetting. it was well worth keeping it in the topic. < 1460318068 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :remember: when doing a /join, even if you knew what the topic was like from months ago, that's no excuse, read it again. < 1460318137 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because topics are abstract strings stored by an IRC server for goodness knows how long, and they can change when you're not looking. (And also when you are looking.) < 1460318207 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is, they're not carved into stones delivered upon to us by the Deities Of Esotericism. < 1460318235 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, they have a tendency to change, and thus, you should observe them. < 1460318410 0 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly QUIT :Quit: gtg < 1460318536 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: yeah. eg. it says California now. It used to say Budapest. < 1460319079 0 :lambda-11235!~lambda-11@47-208-113-50.erkacmtk03.res.dyn.suddenlink.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1460319435 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. Should I make a random and mostly unrelated comment about kittens or about typesetting? < 1460319550 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugh < 1460319564 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to write a parser for a WS-sensitive language using PLY < 1460319577 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: If you want to do so? I don't know? < 1460319582 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm honestly considering parsing the language in Node and sending it over to Python < 1460319608 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I was referring to "which of the two would be preferable" :) < 1460319631 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no preferences < 1460319677 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: I think it would probably be better to just use one or other, if possible, rather than having to write one program using both < 1460319699 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Yeah, but I don't know Node and PLY is a pain in the ass for this kind of language < 1460319723 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I can't use Node proficiently < 1460319960 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you have the newest version of SmileBASIC, can you tell me if you can get it to work with QR codes and/or tape loading/saving? < 1460319967 0 :gremlins!~Ner@cpc4-wiga13-2-0-cust799.18-3.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1460319976 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1460320259 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1460321318 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@vps.jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1460321615 0 :Kaynato!~Aedile@cpe-173-88-230-28.neo.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :A friend had an idea: < 1460321615 0 :Kaynato!~Aedile@cpe-173-88-230-28.neo.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/gY5bRZC.png < 1460322103 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PART #esoteric :"a one-instruction cpu can't draw proportional text! the bard said verily. https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/21184720/donotdelete_text.BytePusher" < 1460322237 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/EnterpriseQualityCoding/FizzBuzzEnterpriseEdition < 1460322361 0 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1460322580 0 :augur_!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1460324556 0 :p34k!~p34k@nat-wh-wz4-12.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de QUIT : < 1460324924 0 :lambda-11235!~lambda-11@47-208-113-50.erkacmtk03.res.dyn.suddenlink.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1460325306 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@vps.jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1460325465 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@vps.jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1460327107 0 :centrinia!~centrinia@107-208-218-105.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1460327156 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07BF Joust14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46768&oldid=46505 5* 03Iconmaster 5* (+4) 10fixed the link to my horrible GML creation < 1460327249 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1460327493 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1460328061 0 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1460328106 0 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1460328764 0 :augur_!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1460328777 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1460328778 0 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1460329121 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugh, PEG is awful < 1460329573 0 :carado!~carado@savhon.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1460329576 0 :evalj!~jeval@catv-89-133-135-148.catv.broadband.hu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1460330337 0 :J_Arcane_!~chatzilla@37-219-254-207.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1460330376 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1460330463 0 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-254-207.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1460330469 0 :J_Arcane_!?@? NICK :J_Arcane < 1460330479 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in < 1460330589 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell gamemanj Well, technically in terms of what is acceptable to a Befunge interpreter "wrong"? Nothing. In terms of what's sane, however... <-- afaiu backwards strings are common in befunge because it's simply the easiest to handle. < 1460330589 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1460330980 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah darn, box-256 got an update... need to fight urge to have a look... < 1460331107 0 :carado!~carado@savhon.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1460331163 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugh, can't get nodejs to send the charset < 1460331294 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, did this update include linux support < 1460331303 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :still runs in wine < 1460331308 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose :P < 1460331320 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway that's how I've been running it so far < 1460331323 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh the web player works on my system < 1460331326 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :never mind < 1460331398 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :still no means of thread discrimination :( < 1460331419 0 :Kaynato!~Aedile@cpe-173-88-230-28.neo.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is anyone here good with SWI-prolog? < 1460331425 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: does that surprise you? < 1460331457 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it was requested by myself and someone else at least, though in different ways < 1460331482 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kaynato: i've peeked at the manual once, does that count? :P < 1460331514 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION may also have downloaded it, but never got to write anything of note.
< 1460331518 0 :Kaynato!~Aedile@cpe-173-88-230-28.neo.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, I mean - I'm trying to solve a logic problem specifically with SWI-prolog, and I know the answer - however, Prolog is giving me the wrong answer even though I seem to be giving it the correct declarations < 1460331531 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1460331538 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pastebin? < 1460331548 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I thought it hit a remarkably sweet spot if you treat it as a puzzle, with its crazy memory model and the vectored jump < 1460331555 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you using any fancy stuff < 1460331567 0 :Kaynato!~Aedile@cpe-173-88-230-28.neo.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let me show this: < 1460331600 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, that's fair enough but i was interested in it as an assembly programming toy < 1460331627 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i said "pastebin" to discourage long pastes in channel hth < 1460331627 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhas you should just find a gpu to program ;) < 1460331665 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :put pasta tastes good < 1460331675 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Oooh, I just had the idea for a Numpy-based CPPU < 1460331685 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :the jump vectoring was cute and all but i think programming this thing would be much richer if you could write single subroutines to be executed by different threads at once < 1460331694 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, funny typo... "perhas" < 1460331696 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Instead of individual registers/memory locations, it has NxN arrays of some fixed size (maybe 4x4) < 1460331699 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than trying to pack as many duplicate instructions in as possible < 1460331706 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: in theory. i had spaghetti carbonara today and i think the bacon was a bit sour. < 1460331718 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah pity < 1460331730 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :though I'd like to point out that this wasn't the pasta's fault, really < 1460331733 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :true. < 1460331753 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There would be vectorized versions of all instructions < 1460331761 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So to start a thread, you use VJMP < 1460331777 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is a JMP to multiple locations, based on the matrix < 1460331781 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Has that been done before? < 1460331791 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that how threading usually works? < 1460331871 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm gonna guess "no". < 1460331880 0 :Kaynato!~Aedile@cpe-173-88-230-28.neo.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :...oh, actually I've fixed it < 1460331886 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kaynato: fancy < 1460331894 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort of... e.g. int pthread_create(pthread_t *thread, const pthread_attr_t *attr, void *(*start_routine) (void *), void *arg); <-- note the sart_routine argument. but also note the new stack. < 1460331904 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], threading irl is highly abstracted < 1460331919 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1460331929 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: How does it work on the CPU level? < 1460331930 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :no new stack there... I'm mixing something up here, sorry. < 1460331945 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In terms of ASM/machine code, that is < 1460331963 0 :earendel!~earendel@unaffiliated/earendel QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1460331965 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh < 1460331970 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], afaiu, partly through context switching on individual cores and partly through running each thread's code simultaneously on different cores < 1460331983 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is why it's so nondeterministic < 1460331984 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Ah? < 1460331989 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just have n CPUs working concurrently; it's the OS's task to give them work to do, i.e. to schedule threads. < 1460331989 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Makes sense < 1460332057 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's also interrupts to give the OS a chance to switch context from a thread... < 1460332079 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1460332098 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is oversimplifying of course
< 1460332136 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, the OS handles the context switching and core assignment obv. < 1460332159 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: well yes, but there needs to be a basic mechanism for preempting a running thread < 1460332165 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(unless you go all cooperative) < 1460332188 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :interrupts are just the way context switching is implemented, is what i'm saying < 1460332194 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1460332206 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the n there may change over the runtime of the system these days... and the CPUs may not even be equal... it's becoming messier and messier especially on mobile devices) < 1460332212 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders how threading is implemented in linux on a syscall level...
< 1460332258 0 :centrinia!~centrinia@107-208-218-105.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1460332271 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], the upshot is that threading doesn't have the direct relationship to multicore CPUs that you might at first think < 1460332321 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have a bunch of threads in the same process the OS might decide to run them all on the one core, for instance < 1460332330 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: "One use of clone() is to implement threads..." ... the clone system call allows you to just specify a new stack and function to execute, without duplicating the rest of the process state < 1460332367 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1460332372 0 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@194.108.5.201 JOIN :#esoteric < 1460332473 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: so what else is there... futex for synchronisation, tgkill() for signaling threads ... now I'm wondering how threads die... < 1460332491 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :also heh, box256 inlines constant ADDs to a MOV < 1460332581 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( they wander off to the thread graveyard ) < 1460332603 0 :acertain!~acertain@unaffiliated/fread2281 JOIN :#esoteric < 1460332745 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :god damn the sierpinski one makes me wish i had bitwise ops