< 1460592283 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1460592298 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :irc/IRC is short for "Internet Relay Chat". It is named so because all the servers are constructed from relays. < 1460592389 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my quote of the day: IRC is a frontend for google with insults < 1460592434 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION updates the thing that becomes a PDF ♪
< 1460592501 0 :centrinia!~centrinia@107-208-218-105.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1460592587 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ord '*' < 1460592588 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 42 < 1460592598 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ord '#' < 1460592600 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 35 < 1460592609 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ord '$' < 1460592611 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 36 < 1460592642 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map chr [0x20..0x3F] < 1460592644 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : " !\"#$%&'()*+,-./0123456789:;<=>?" < 1460593152 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :question: is adu someone? < 1460593225 0 :Marcela_Gandara!~canaima@181-18-80-189.dyn.movilnet.com.ve JOIN :#esoteric < 1460593269 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hoily < 1460593271 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: yes. < 1460593291 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :why e has recently left us, no one knows. < 1460593298 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not even emself. < 1460593329 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :you may not know, but adu < 1460593333 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellochaf. < 1460593344 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION thwacks shachaf. 0.8.
< 1460593380 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :question: what is Algae II? is it an esolang, or an abstract concept? < 1460593412 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? algae < 1460593445 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :algae? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1460593448 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? alg. ii < 1460593456 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Algae II, the successor class to Algae I. Discusses hydroponics and such. < 1460593465 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`culprits wisdom/alg. ii < 1460593477 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i believe it is a pun on algebra hth < 1460593490 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :abstract concept it is tdh < 1460593496 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily boily oerjan hppavilion[1] < 1460593498 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Algebra II" is a standard high school mathematics class in the united states hth < 1460593537 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :but Algae II typically is taught to much younger children < 1460593550 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :as part of the Hooked on Hydroponics program < 1460593726 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1460594066 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1460594074 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does this channel think of AOP? < 1460594092 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages-lud < 1460594092 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan said 1h 1m 42s ago: myname: I was just being a bad person. <-- please report to the next #esoteric sensitivity bootcamp hth < 1460594103 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavellon[1]. how do you typeset an ő? < 1460594114 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: I don't? < 1460594153 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: iirc \H{o} < 1460594159 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1460594183 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :#Tromp2016 < 1460594218 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is going to guess tromp has heard enough of those jokes to be sick of them.
< 1460594243 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: when did that ever stop this channel before hth < 1460594261 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*twh < 1460594266 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: tdh, but I was mislead by the error message. the ős were fine, I just forgot to escape b_jonas' underscore. < 1460594274 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/lead/led/ < 1460594274 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1460594285 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: didn't it read like a rhetorical question hth < 1460594294 0 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ds01-214-177.dynamic.mtsallstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1460594335 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ending rhetorical questions in hth is scow. < 1460594356 0 :Marcela_Gandara!~canaima@181-18-80-189.dyn.movilnet.com.ve QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1460594368 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm a missed canaima < 1460594388 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: What are you doing, anyway? < 1460594407 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :? canaima < 1460594410 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: updating the wisdom PDF! < 1460594414 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: Yay! < 1460594418 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1460594429 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what's the correct ending twh < 1460594443 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: Why not just script it to generate a new wisdom PDF once a month? < 1460594483 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Canaima is a secret Venezuelan project to overrun #esoteric with incomprehensible people that have no idea why they're here. < 1460594497 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'canaima': Canaima is a secret Venezuelan project to overrun #esoteric with incomprehensible people that have no idea why they're here. < 1460594500 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Canaima is a secret Venezuelan project to overrun #esoteric with incomprehensible people who have no idea why they're here. < 1460594503 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Relearned 'canaima': Canaima is a secret Venezuelan project to overrun #esoteric with incomprehensible people who have no idea why they're here. < 1460594516 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Um, shachaf forgot to ` < 1460594523 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth < 1460594535 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, that would have just been another line of spam < 1460594542 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :this outcome was optimal < 1460594555 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: My point is that oerjan didn't check if canaima was already defined < 1460594564 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Unless they did it via PM < 1460594574 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan knows the wisdom database by heart < 1460594582 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :and anyway `learn confirmed that it wasn't defined < 1460594591 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: well... it's *slightly* more complex than that. also, some people in this here chännel like to make my life harder by being LaTeXly creative. < 1460594600 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm already missing: < 1460594602 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ^ < 1460594640 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: Ah < 1460594645 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​^ (also notated by ⊕ or ⊻) is the exclusive-or operator; ∧ (also notated by /\ or &) is the and (conjunction) operator; ^ (also notated by ↑ or ** or ⋆) is the power operator. < 1460594680 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wooooooooow. < 1460594686 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I somehow never noticed that < 1460594696 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :_\/_ < 1460594700 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\_/ < 1460594702 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have a Github account, I'll add you to the List. you'll have Full Commit Access! < 1460594716 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do, but I probably should not be trusted with such a thing < 1460594797 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: Unless you want e.g. a one-sixth-functional industrial-grade search engine for Wisdom that will never be touched again < 1460594827 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though an GUI for browsing wisdom- complete with links and a bit of markup- might actually be a good idea... < 1460594952 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't pdf support links these days anyway < 1460594961 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: True < 1460594970 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: But it doesn't have a high-level scripting language < 1460595432 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does. Adobe Reader supports JavaScript. < 1460595461 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, did you know you could embede interactive 3D content in a PDF? in two widely-undocumented idiosyncratic formats? < 1460595666 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :brontosaurii had mapoly teeth??? < 1460595847 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*brontosauri < 1460595996 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that's not the plural of brontosaurius hth < 1460596007 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1460596024 0 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ds01-214-177.dynamic.mtsallstream.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1460596033 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be the vocative, though. < 1460596097 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :brontosaure? < 1460596167 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably. < 1460596177 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`le/rn Canada/We apologize for Canada's lack of existence. < 1460596186 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Relearned «canada» < 1460596248 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1460596334 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :#tromp2016 < 1460596362 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :AVE BRONTOSAVRE. PINSENDI TE SALUTANT. < 1460596393 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: hey :( < 1460596412 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry. < 1460596421 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION untromp2016s tromp
< 1460596440 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i meant the canada. what was it anyway, the browser isn't loading. < 1460596444 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm < 1460596454 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh there < 1460596477 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :#c++2017 < 1460596483 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you want to rebigscotlandify Canada? < 1460596526 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: how about a command to view the previous version of a file < 1460596546 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`le/rn Canada/Canada is Big Scotland. Like, you know, very big. < 1460596552 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :or even a list of the contents of every file that the last command modified, pre-modification < 1460596587 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Relearned «canada» < 1460596618 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: hey i wasn't confirming < 1460596653 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: be my guest < 1460596653 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aarghghghrghrgghhghghrg. < 1460596669 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was trying to catch up to recent HackEgo changes < 1460596892 0 :centrinia!~centrinia@107-208-218-105.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1460596904 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo a > test < 1460596904 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a > test < 1460596906 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1460596910 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo a > test < 1460596919 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? code < 1460596924 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo b > test < 1460596960 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1460596968 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo: you're too slow hth < 1460597015 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn_append comics The content of this list is not to be questioned. < 1460597041 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION mapoles the HackEgo
< 1460597097 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: FUNGOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT! < 1460597153 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't open wisdom/comic: No such file or directory. \ Learned 'comic': The content of this list is not to be questioned. < 1460597156 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[11,11,11,15,15,23,12],[5,5,5,3,53,45,16,26,00,20,15,16,22,25,45,91,32,11,15,27,06,01,11,01,47,22,30,13,43,21,11,13,29,61,65,17,19,12,28,17,11,01,23,20,16,20,81,18,32,25,58,22.,1985,10.301350435,1555466973690094680980000956080767,13720946704494913791885940266665466978579582015128512190078... < 1460597157 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1460597171 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1460597266 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`mkx bin/before//lastfiles | while read f; do echo -n "$f//"; hg cat -r -2 "$f"; done < 1460597267 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin/before < 1460597271 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` rm wisdom/comic < 1460597273 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1460597274 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`before < 1460597278 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom/comic//The content of this list is not to be questioned. < 1460597285 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1460597289 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`lastfiles < 1460597289 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom/comic < 1460597290 0 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ds01-214-177.dynamic.mtsallstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1460597300 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is bin/before not in lastfiles twh < 1460597309 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/lastfiles < 1460597310 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hg log -l 1 --template "{files}\n" < 1460597314 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo -n ' The content of this list is not to be questioned.' >>wisdom/comics < 1460597316 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1460597317 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` hg log -l 1 < 1460597320 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :changeset: 7381:dd55338ff279 \ tag: tip \ user: HackBot \ date: Thu Apr 14 00:28:35 2016 +0000 \ summary: ` echo -n \' The content of this list is not to be questioned.\' >>wisdom/comics < 1460597329 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bon. m'a finir par l'avoir, maudite commande de mes deux. < 1460597426 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: wat < 1460597429 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? comics < 1460597431 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Recommended comics include Genius Stick, Stuck Girl, and Home of the Order. \ The content of this list is not to be questioned. < 1460597468 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert < 1460597481 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rm: cannot remove `/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/env/.hg/store/data/canary.orig': Is a directory \ Done. < 1460597483 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? comics < 1460597484 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Recommended comics include Genius Stick, Stuck Girl, and Home of the Order. < 1460597507 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
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< 1460597516 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`le/rn_append comics/The content of this list is not to be questioned. < 1460597519 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'comics': Recommended comics include Genius Stick, Stuck Girl, and Home of the Order. The content of this list is not to be questioned. < 1460597570 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rm test < 1460597572 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1460597574 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`before < 1460597575 0 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ds01-214-177.dynamic.mtsallstream.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1460597581 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :test//b < 1460597636 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :♪ DING ♪ new PDF version! updated #, A, B and C entries. < 1460597654 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: copprello! PDF update! < 1460597701 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Canada is a conspiracy invented by Big Maple to keep people from the truth. < 1460597704 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Relearned 'canada': Canada is a conspiracy invented by Big Maple to keep people from the truth. < 1460597707 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`before < 1460597708 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom/canada//Canada is Big Scotland. Like, you know, very big. < 1460597713 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert < 1460597715 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rm: cannot remove `/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/env/.hg/store/data/canary.orig': Is a directory \ Done. < 1460597719 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hth < 1460597742 0 :coppro!~scshunt@corn-syrup.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: :O < 1460597746 0 :coppro!~scshunt@corn-syrup.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: Homestuck AND PDF < 1460597751 0 :coppro!~scshunt@corn-syrup.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like my birthday! < 1460597753 0 :coppro!~scshunt@corn-syrup.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :which was this week! < 1460597755 0 :coppro!~scshunt@corn-syrup.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :err last week! < 1460597756 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: we already have pbflist < 1460597757 0 :coppro!~scshunt@corn-syrup.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still! < 1460597761 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: might as well add pdflist hth < 1460597769 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you can figure out how to make a backwards b < 1460597854 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should chapterize the *lists... < 1460597858 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :d hth < 1460597884 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: I didn't catch your github username? < 1460597894 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: I didn't give it :P < 1460597920 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn. I thought I was being smooth :D < 1460597936 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're playing hard to commit, I see. < 1460598261 0 :jix!~jix@jixco.de QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1460598268 0 :jix!~jix@jixco.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1460598601 0 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1460598726 0 :spiette!~spiette@x-132-204-251-254.xtpr.umontreal.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1460598730 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1460598744 0 :dingbat!uid70835@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wqrdfehoyizmlbnp QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1460599047 0 :Kaynato!~Aedile@cpe-173-88-230-28.neo.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1460599300 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: ... < 1460599351 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why has nobody made a language called *C? < 1460599857 0 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1460599952 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: one day you'll slip, and that info will be mine. mwah ah ah. < 1460600338 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: I want to see a grammar-type that can parse all decidable grammars. That would be nice. Except for when people actually use it to parse a non-context-free grammar. Then it's just painful. < 1460600438 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh? < 1460600470 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: A grammar type (like LR or LALR or Recursive-descent) < 1460600492 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: That can parse all decidable grammars (including, for example, the Language of Primes in Ternary) < 1460600542 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a feeling you'd hit Gödel sooner or later in there. probably the former. < 1460600561 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: The tarpit version is BNF with the new operators $, ++, and --{}{} < 1460600564 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1460600593 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: Probably not; It's just the grammatical equivalent of a TM < 1460600604 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(TMs represent grammars, remember?) < 1460600616 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember, but I'll trust you on that. < 1460600632 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CT and all that sort of thing, functors between TMs and grammars. < 1460600646 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: Yeah, a TM is said to accept a string (as part of the language it represents) if... it halts. Shit. < 1460600677 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess Godel might just show up in the form of the Halting Problem < 1460600685 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, that guy is tricky. < 1460600704 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and strike. < 1460600723 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :time to go espouse the shape of a mattress... < 1460600730 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: GRABBING CHICKEN < 1460600731 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: Wait, no, but it's a BNF for all /decidable/ grammars < 1460600733 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shit < 1460600773 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell boily [the moment after you left:] boily: Wait, no, but it's a BNF for all /decidable/ grammars // And halting is undecidable < 1460600773 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1460600914 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : "LR(k) grammars can be efficiently parsed with an execution time essentially proportional to the length of the string."[7] < 1460600914 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : For every k≥1, "a language can be generated by an LR(k) grammar if and only if it is deterministic [and context-free], if and only if it can be generated by an LR(1) grammar." < 1460600933 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um, can k be <= 1 and != 0? < 1460601108 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's a rather strange idea < 1460601123 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A parser that accepts an infinite string that follows some combinatorial pattern < 1460601125 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And parses it < 1460601129 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(based on a grammar) < 1460601131 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In finite time < 1460601141 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Have you heard of such a thing? < 1460601145 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1460601174 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1460601175 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: A program to parse infinite strings in finite time, given that the infinite string is representable in finite space < 1460601194 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, depends on how you represent it. < 1460601196 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Using some sort of lazy-evaluated sequence combinators or somesuch < 1460601215 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you represent an infinite string as a Turing machine that generates it, for example, you won't have much luck. < 1460601223 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would doubt it < 1460601262 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I'm thinking that you have some primitive set of generators (likely hauntingly similar to S and K, knowing the way CS works) that accept generators or strings and produce new strings < 1460601289 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you don't want anything Turing-complete. < 1460601296 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I would think not < 1460601434 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A primitive set something like like cycle [...], reverse [...], chain [...], and filter f [...] (where f is some simple String -> Bool function defined in a sublanguage) < 1460601494 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and [...] is a special syntax for directly declaring a sequence < 1460601508 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, chain needs to have two arguments < 1460601533 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cycle seq is the first element in seq, then the second, then the third, forever < 1460601546 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And when it reaches the end it starts over < 1460601566 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :reverse seq reverses a finite sequence < 1460601600 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :chain seq tfr returns each element in the first seq, then, when it runs out, each element in the second < 1460601635 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And filter f seq returns each element in seq s.t. f returns true < 1460601733 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :f can be made from q NAND p, contains(seq1, seq2), firstNCharacters(seq, n), and c == d (where c and d are sequences) < 1460601741 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sequences can only contain characters < 1460601749 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: is that a good set of primitives? < 1460601806 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, contains has to be contains(seq, c) because f is applied character-by-character (if it isn't, we get dangerously close to tag systems) < 1460601832 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why are you asking me? < 1460601847 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Because you responded last time < 1460601883 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: And I figured there was a chance that you wanted to see my answer to your ~question < 1460602641 0 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.reddit.com/r/shittykickstarters/comments/4csbma/kickstarter_nonstarters_the_new_era_of_modern/ < 1460602998 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah, the real future of computers is decimal! < 1460603008 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or more like the past < 1460603195 0 :me2!~me@38.70.70.115.static.exetel.com.au QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1460603215 0 :me2!~me@38.70.70.115.static.exetel.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1460603315 0 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1460603387 0 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ds01-214-177.dynamic.mtsallstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1460603404 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: I'm going to go cry now < 1460603425 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: The REAL future of computers is in pii-cimal < 1460603441 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders if hppavilion[1] has even heard of a general chomsky grammar.
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ACTION googles general chomsky grammar
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ACTION cannot find the wikipedia article on it, and is thus scared
< 1460603677 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Are there any widely-used programming languages which are of a regular grammar? < 1460603682 0 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ds01-214-177.dynamic.mtsallstream.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1460604062 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: i think i used the wrong technical term. try chomsky hierarchy. < 1460604092 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: maybe forth counts :P < 1460604092 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Well I've heard of /that/ < 1460604099 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: That's what I thought < 1460604108 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Though doesn't forth have nesting? < 1460604113 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Defining new words? < 1460604124 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, maybe that doesn't let you nest < 1460604155 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe not forth then. < 1460604170 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know what else would count. < 1460604194 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I WILL BE USING Van Wijngaarden grammarS FROM NOW ON < 1460604201 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :THEY SOUND AWESOME < 1460604256 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: chomsky is a linguist not a general hth < 1460604295 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(strictly speaking, I will be using some modification I create that makes it uselessly more powerful; perhaps including the ability to recognize whether a given TM halts in later forms) < 1460604297 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is general chomsky's grammar related to general tso's chicken? < 1460604459 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a pseudo-solution to the Halting Problem that, given a program, will tell you whether or not it will halt, with the occasional possibility of false positives or negatives? (I (but not O) is forbidden for simplicity) < 1460604496 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be cool if there was a pseudo-solution (sort of like those pseudo-counterexamples to Fermat's Last Theorem) that I could write into a compiler to freak out CS students who use it < 1460604547 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1460604552 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :willHalt(_) = true < 1460604557 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: That's cheating < 1460604564 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it doesn't halt, just tell them they haven't run it for long enough. < 1460604580 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, just run it for BB(n) steps for small n. < 1460604605 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: But you can write a program that /very clearly/ won't halt, but the compiler would still say it will < 1460604663 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(alternatively, a language that is /very nearly/- but not quite- TC (including intermediate-level CS experiment problems and the kinds of things a CS student would test with, but excluding really obscure ones), for which halting is decidable) < 1460607079 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1460607087 0 :iconmaster!~iconmaste@129.21.122.86 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1460608048 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1460608727 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1460609499 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :C without malloc is a push down automaton. < 1460609611 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(unless you use undefined behaviour to write our own malloc) < 1460609701 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :C with or without malloc is a FSA. < 1460609766 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right. < 1460609909 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :pooch-down automaton < 1460609966 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :On a purely unrelated note, is there a surgeon in the bay area who can replace my head? Because fuck my head. < 1460610023 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :How's your head? < 1460610055 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In quite a bit of pain at the moment! < 1460610401 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: might i interest you in this http://www.amazon.com/On-Having-No-Head-Rediscovery/dp/1878019198 hth < 1460610413 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/this // < 1460610516 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thx < 1460610788 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: do you just mean that you have a headache < 1460610803 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1460610837 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is a common occurance for me. < 1460610953 0 :Kaynato!~Aedile@cpe-173-88-230-28.neo.res.rr.com QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1460611534 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: are you sure? (notwithstanding the bounded storage) you can access an arbitrary portion of the stack from C, which is vastly more powerful than PDA < 1460611611 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: one direct counterexample: http://mazonka.com/brainf/stackbfi.c < 1460611618 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: Accessing other stack frames is, of course, UB. :) < 1460611645 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: unless you chain the existing stack frame with a pointer. < 1460611653 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, yes, that's valid. < 1460611656 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :stackbfi is exactly that kind of thing < 1460611657 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like what you linked to there. < 1460611680 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neat trick, honestly. < 1460611687 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like that < 1460611689 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If very much limited. < 1460611716 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember a similarly constructed BF interpreter which won in IOCCC < 1460611770 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though it's *slightly* incorrect: there may exist valid negative return values for getchar(). < 1460611780 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i.e. EOF is not the *only* possible return value that's negative) < 1460611790 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this is because char may be signed) < 1460611813 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1460611861 0 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/oswg-member/yorick QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1460611885 0 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@oftn/oswg-member/Nisstyre QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1460611956 0 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/oswg-member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1460611992 0 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@li611-52.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1460612143 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1460612155 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1460612789 0 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. 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NICK :puckipedia < 1460617845 0 :kline_!~kline@nds/committee/kline JOIN :#esoteric < 1460618192 0 :espes__!~espes@205.185.120.132 JOIN :#esoteric < 1460618377 0 :ocharles_!sid30093@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-dapreaivunvhzywl JOIN :#esoteric < 1460618549 0 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly JOIN :#esoteric < 1460618595 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, random reminders of the frailty of this mortal coil and your lifelong march to the inevitable end. < 1460618603 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Always brightens up my day. < 1460618926 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1460619001 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1460619060 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1460619467 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1460619732 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1460620227 0 :mtve!~mtve@10130.x.rootbsd.net QUIT :Quit: I shouldn't really be here - dircproxy 1.2.0 < 1460620235 0 :mtve!~mtve@10130.x.rootbsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1460620305 0 :staffehn!~quassel@2001:41d0:52:d00::1d3 JOIN :#esoteric < 1460620582 0 :Hoolootwo!~Hoolootwo@hooloovoo.blue JOIN :#esoteric < 1460620588 0 :cnr!~connor@dragonfruit.coffeeman.me JOIN :#esoteric < 1460620588 0 :cnr!~connor@dragonfruit.coffeeman.me QUIT :Changing host < 1460620588 0 :cnr!~connor@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1460620642 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1460621770 0 :heroux!~heroux@50708323.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1460621951 0 :rdococ!?@? 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NICK :kline < 1460637790 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@vps.jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1460637970 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@2a02:1811:d22:cc00:998c:e39:f69e:a7cb JOIN :#esoteric < 1460637997 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hjson.org/ < 1460638520 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1460639096 0 :me4!~me@38.70.70.115.static.exetel.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1460639139 0 :Froox!~Frooxius@194.108.5.201 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1460639164 0 :Froox!~Frooxius@194.108.5.201 JOIN :#esoteric < 1460639321 0 :fractal!~fractal@unaffiliated/scounder QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1460639458 0 :me2!~me@38.70.70.115.static.exetel.com.au QUIT :*.net *.split < 1460639554 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1460640090 0 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I think even if char is signed, getchar() will return the "unsigned" value as an int < 1460640627 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@vps.jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1460640941 0 :fractal!~fractal@unaffiliated/scounder JOIN :#esoteric < 1460641023 0 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1460641857 0 :p34k!~p34k@nat-wh-wz4-12.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1460643006 0 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1460643290 0 :_rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly JOIN :#esoteric < 1460643427 0 :p34k!~p34k@nat-wh-wz4-12.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1460643435 0 :earendel!~earendel@unaffiliated/earendel QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1460643435 0 :coppro!~scshunt@corn-syrup.csclub.uwaterloo.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1460643436 0 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1460643442 0 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe JOIN :#esoteric < 1460643448 0 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/oswg-member/yorick QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1460643454 0 :coppro!~scshunt@corn-syrup.csclub.uwaterloo.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1460643474 0 :me4!~me@38.70.70.115.static.exetel.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1460643474 0 :rdococ_!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1460643475 0 :acertain!~acertain@unaffiliated/fread2281 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1460643475 0 :digitalcold!~redacted@192.73.232.206 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1460643483 0 :digitalcold!~redacted@192.73.232.206 JOIN :#esoteric < 1460643491 0 :me4!~me@38.70.70.115.static.exetel.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1460643497 0 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/oswg-member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1460643543 0 :acertain!~acertain@unaffiliated/fread2281 JOIN :#esoteric < 1460643558 0 :earendel!~earendel@unaffiliated/earendel JOIN :#esoteric < 1460643740 0 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1460644089 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@vps.jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1460644891 0 :I!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1460644911 0 :I!?@? 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ACTION sees that "yorick" joined, and is tempted to reset the "Shakespeare reference counter"...
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NICK :`^_^v < 1460649805 0 :Elronnd!elronnd@2a01:4f8:190:32b1::b16b:b5 JOIN :#esoteric < 1460649816 0 :Elronnd!elronnd@2a01:4f8:190:32b1::b16b:b5 QUIT :Client Quit < 1460650000 0 :j-bot!~j-bot@li1285-84.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1460650062 0 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja JOIN :#esoteric < 1460650107 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@vps.jaboja.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1460650908 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@vps.jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1460651499 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@vps.jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1460651717 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why the heck can't we finally have a programming language standard library specification where the array sort functions and ordered-dictionary types and similar are specified in such a way that they spell out the precise guarantees even if the underlying comparison function is nondeterministic or not transitive? < 1460651776 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :We don't live in the 1980s anymore when it made sense to write quicksort functions that will actually write the arrays out of bounds if the comparison function is invalid. < 1460651825 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think most of the implementations we actually use are behaved sanely even for wrong comparison functions, but nobody bothers to guarantee this in specs, so I may have to read and fork existing implementations just to be able to guarantee this in the future. < 1460651838 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the comparison function is nondeterministic or not transitive, then... is there any one correct sorted order? < 1460651860 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++ specifically makes it undefined behaviour if you use a wrong comparison function, so it can use one of those qsort functions that just crash. < 1460651911 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: no, but the sort function can still guarantee that it gives a permutation of the input, which is important, and it could still give bounds on the runtime. < 1460652068 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The specs can even go further, for compare functions that are partly well-behaved: if the range of values has a (non-observable theoretical) partial equivalence sigma, and a total order on the equivalence classes of sigma, and the comparison function behaves consistently right for two non-equivalent elements by comparing their equivalence classes, and can behave in any way for two equivalent elements; < 1460652101 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Simple solution: Why do you even have non-deterministic comparison functions in your code? < 1460652120 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :then a well-written sort function could guarantee that the output is a permutation of the input such that non-equivalent elements are ordered correctly in the output. < 1460652225 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Under what practical situation do you get into such a situation? < 1460652227 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: for bug isolation in cases when the comparison has a bug (I can point to at least one such case), or for implementing a safe high-level language that isn't allowed to crash but exposes a sort function or ordered-dictionary type with arbitrary comparison functions defined in that high-level language, including possibly sandbox languages that execute untrusted code. < 1460652241 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/comparison/comparison implementation/ < 1460652300 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The first case is entirely practical, for in theory you'd just implement the correct comparison function instead of a buggy one. < 1460652310 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bug isolation, ok, that makes sense. As for a safe language that isn't allowed to crash... new byte[0xFFFFFFFF] < 1460652315 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The second one is both theoretical and practical. < 1460652335 0 :Reece`!~Ner@cpc4-wiga13-2-0-cust799.18-3.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1460652372 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@vps.jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1460652408 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Safety" is impossible if the user can consume all the resources on the system, which means a completely safe language has to keep track of memory and CPU usage. < 1460652412 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: oh come on, there are various different definitions for what sort of safety a language guarantees. I know a language (whether safe or not) can't be total, but some languages guarantee that they at least abort safely rather than trashing memory, even if you run out of memory. That's definitely theoretically possible (although there are practical bugs in implementations). < 1460652439 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: I'm not going to try to spell out a particular definition of safety here, and there's more than one non-equivalent ones. < 1460652459 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The point I'm trying to make is that if sort goes into an infinite loop, there needs to be detection in place for this sort of case anyway. < 1460652477 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But even for a not-really-safe language like perl, it's better to use perl 5.8 (or something) which has a sort function that doesn't just segfault if you give it the wrong comparison function (as a bug). < 1460652563 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: you can write a sort that doesn't go into an infinite loop even if the comparison function is wrong, but I'm more worried about duplicating and losing items of the array, or indexing past an array, rather than an infinite loop. Bad sort implementations do the latter two. < 1460652594 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@vps.jaboja.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1460652808 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1460652947 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, a sort function should definitely not SIGSEGV or outright break if it's given a weird comparison function. To me, an infinite loop makes sense simply because if it's inconsistent, the array is never "sorted". < 1460653552 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@vps.jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1460653887 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1460654868 0 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-51-51.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1460656285 0 :iconmaster!~iconmaste@icon-thinkpad.wireless.rit.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1460656291 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-70.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1460656324 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-70.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have managed to convince myself to a point of view where I don't see Hitler as evil. < 1460656338 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-70.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is cool. < 1460656354 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, not really < 1460656360 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1460656430 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-70.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: I see him as a deeply disturbed man who should have been seeing a psychiatrist instead of being put into a position of power < 1460656452 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-70.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and, if myname was responding to me, then the above message is directed at them too) < 1460656453 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, basically, you don't see him as evil, you see him as nuts. < 1460656457 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-70.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: Yes < 1460656474 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...the difference? < 1460656494 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-70.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: In fact, I prefer to see him as a person who genuinely /thought/ he was doing the right thing, but who was so screwed up that he didn't realize that what he was doing very clearly wasn't < 1460656494 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does being nuts imply not being evil? < 1460656505 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-70.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: See ^ < 1460656511 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: Insanity defense, probably. < 1460656516 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-70.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, it's not necessarily the accurate interpretation < 1460656525 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-70.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's a pretty decent interpretation < 1460656536 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, you basically say chaotic evil doesn't have to be evil? < 1460656538 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And now for something completely different to break hppavilion[1]'s doublethink concentration: "Alas, poor yorick! I knew him, Horatio: A fellow of infinite jest..." < 1460656551 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-70.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I mean, Gravity also isn't "necessarily the accurate interpretation") < 1460656564 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-70.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: It's not doublethink < 1460656597 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, true, it's not contradictory, it's just... how to put it... < 1460656640 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want to go into alternate theories like that, you might want to look at the British Empire and the state of India around that time. < 1460656662 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you'll find yourself saying "Everybody was like that at the time, Hitler was just a step further" < 1460656671 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wouldn't say that i need to believe i am evil is a necessary part in being evil < 1460656685 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-70.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: If we keep viewing Hitler as an alien-warlord-god-king sent from hell to do nothing but kill humanity, we lose sight of what is more accurate, that being that hitler was a deeply damaged human being who /really/ shouldn't have been put in control of a country < 1460656712 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that still doesn't make him not evil < 1460656742 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nobody said Hitler was an alien-warlord-god-king, and everybody agrees he shouldn't have been put in control of a country. Actions define morality, unless they have good justification. < 1460656747 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-70.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: What he did was most certainly very, /very/ wrong, but if he does not realize that then I can't in good conscience consider him evil < 1460656770 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-70.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/does/did/ < 1460656811 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how so? < 1460656830 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-70.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :This POV is not so much a meaningful opinion on things that matter as it is a way of conveying a message about the nature of morality < 1460656836 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So in your worldview, if I teleported the world's gold into the Sun, but I thought the gold was infectious or something, then I wouldn't be evil? < 1460656843 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`olsit 1033 < 1460656843 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: olsit: not found < 1460656845 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-70.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: Correct < 1460656846 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION gets out his TODO list
< 1460656849 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`olist 1033 < 1460656850 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olist 1033: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly boily nortti b_jonas < 1460656855 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-70.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: Why would you be considered evil? < 1460656877 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION writes "1. Reprogram mind to assert that gold is infectious"
< 1460656886 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-70.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: That's cheating. < 1460656897 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My past self would be evil, < 1460656902 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-70.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1460656903 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but my post-mindwipe self would not. < 1460656907 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-70.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty much < 1460656930 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which means my post-mindwipe self gets off scot-free since that's the version of me running around teleporting gold. < 1460656943 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: have a look at the anime "eden of the east" < 1460656953 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-70.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: You (post-mindwipe) were just trying to help and do what you thought was right, so you can't be considered evil < 1460656965 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-70.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: I might < 1460656968 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes you can < 1460656986 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-70.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: To consider them evil would be a perversion of the concept of right and wrong, IMHO < 1460656996 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why shouldn't i be able to consider someone evil just because he doesn't himself? < 1460657055 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-70.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: Because, traditionally (in the way everyone else sees it), evil means doing morality-- things even though you know they're morality--. < 1460657068 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1460657082 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-70.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: myname: The point of this exercise is not that "Hitler wasn't evil", the point is "Morality is hard, justice is complicated" < 1460657100 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :evil in a society means doing things against morality of the society, no matter of you actually knowing or not < 1460657114 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-70.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: That can be how you define it, but that's not how I define it < 1460657128 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: Solution: Eliminate justice, as it is an unnecessary complexity. < 1460657148 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-70.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: I would call "doing stuff that society says you shouldn't do" is a "Moral Transgression" or something. < 1460657171 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's how societies work < 1460657173 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-70.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: "evil" is when you sin (which is not the religious term, it's just one I stole from religion) < 1460657183 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, basically, you have "doing something wrong but not knowing about it", "doing something wrong and knowing about it"? < 1460657199 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The result is still the same. < 1460657214 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, i would call it intentional evil and unintentional evil < 1460657218 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-70.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: And sinning is to violate morality despite knowing that morality says not to < 1460657224 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-70.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: That works; the end result is the same < 1460657239 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-70.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: But I prefer to give them distinct names; just my preference. < 1460657240 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just because you don't intend to do evil doesn't mean you don't < 1460657248 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure that if you drank a ton of alcohol, and then, being too drunk to remember that you aren't supposed to drunk-drive, drove a car, and it crashed, you would still lose your license. < 1460657265 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: so you are saying killing a person isn't a sin if i don't know better? < 1460657272 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-70.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: Correct. < 1460657277 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-70.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: This isn't religious sin < 1460657294 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-70.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: OK, but should someone who commits an unintentional evil be punished? (assuming retributivism, which is a debate unto itself) < 1460657299 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: i repeat my anime recommendation: eden of the east < 1460657304 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-70.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: Yes, I will write that down < 1460657309 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it plays a bit with the idea of gamemanj < 1460657354 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :another anime with a "fun" idea of morals: Death Note! < 1460657354 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-70.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: The idea of gamemanj? < 1460657368 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-70.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: There's an anime about the mere concept of you? < 1460657374 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that I know of < 1460657387 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If there is, do tell them to stop stalking me < 1460657435 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and inquire as to how they'd manage it without my noticing if the whole anime was about the concept of me, meaning they'd have to keep a close eye) < 1460657436 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, if you ever do anything remotely like watching anime, you most likely have alreqdy watched death note < 1460657444 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-70.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: I chose the word "sin" because it fits with religion well < 1460657461 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-70.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: Without (the tree of) knowledge, there can be no sin < 1460657468 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1460657492 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: that's great, so everybody can go to heaven if they just wipe their memories < 1460657506 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-70.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: Yes, but it wouldn't be "you" going to heaven < 1460657515 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-70.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: Also, the analogy stops before heaven < 1460657547 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-70.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :GTG < 1460657571 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So what happens if the first thing you do after doing evil stuff is wipe your memories of it, but store them in a way that you'll collect them after being deemed "not evil"? < 1460657593 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Yes this is an obvious reference to something we have already mentioned.) < 1460657826 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-70.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1460657852 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot, hmm. < 1460657882 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah it's back. < 1460657884 0 :rdococ_!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly JOIN :#esoteric < 1460657932 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1460658012 0 :nycs!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1460658032 0 :acertain!~acertain@unaffiliated/fread2281 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1460658032 0 :_rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1460658032 0 :hydraz!matheus@unaffiliated/demhydraz QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1460658064 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@vps.jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1460658065 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1460658065 0 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1460658086 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1460658104 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot JOIN :#esoteric < 1460658371 0 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-twqswauhludlajyg QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1460658556 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1460658758 0 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-sqoypokgexvudgdr JOIN :#esoteric < 1460658768 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@vps.jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1460658805 0 :acertain!~acertain@unaffiliated/fread2281 JOIN :#esoteric < 1460658959 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot JOIN :#esoteric < 1460659121 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@botsnack < 1460659121 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1460659136 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :poor thing < 1460659152 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION thinks for a short while...
< 1460659186 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^def feedlambda bf ++++++++[>++++>++++++++++<<-]++++++++++>>---><[->+>+<<]>-------------.++.+++++++++++++.+++++.-.-----.-------------.++.++++++++.<<<.>>> < 1460659205 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1460659208 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot? < 1460659210 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :feedlambda? < 1460659212 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :....noooooo < 1460659219 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot's gone < 1460659230 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was going to have fungot feed lambdabot with a botsnack < 1460659364 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1460659385 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what happened to fungot... :( < 1460659548 0 :earendel!~earendel@unaffiliated/earendel QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1460659650 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1460659769 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1460659848 0 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-178-006-010-224.178.006.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1460659854 0 :deltab!~deltab@cpc1-smal2-0-0-cust155.19-1.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1460659886 0 :deltab!~deltab@cpc1-smal2-0-0-cust155.19-1.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1460659963 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fun... "Investigating possible switch failure impacting NLCKVME5-1, NLCKVME5-2" < 1460660008 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is freenode falling apart? < 1460660097 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is lambdabot < 1460660106 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but freenode also seems to have some trouble < 1460660167 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot JOIN :#esoteric < 1460660175 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sets of people being booted off at a time, "some trouble" < 1460660191 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think we need duct tape < 1460660202 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or at least, that's what I think you call it < 1460660212 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer the name "sticky tape", but whatever < 1460660224 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(NLCKVME5-2 is the server lambdabot's VM is on) < 1460660234 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Later < 1460660258 0 :FireFly!~firefly@firefly.xen.prgmr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :We call it "silver tape" over here < 1460660337 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :point is, find the pipes that are leaking connections, and cover it up with tape. Problem solved. < 1460660370 0 :FireFly!~firefly@firefly.xen.prgmr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Luckily in these areas we usually have infinite tape < 1460660383 0 :FireFly!~firefly@firefly.xen.prgmr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the #esoteric areas I mean < 1460660429 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :infinite sticky tape and infinite programming languages that compile to other programming languages solves all problems < 1460660442 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: if you're unlucky you'll just run out of oxygen < 1460660499 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...wait, what, the pipes have ALREADY FLOODED the room??? < 1460660841 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar lowi < 1460660842 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOWI 141750Z VRB02KT 9999 FEW065 10/04 Q1013 NOSIG < 1460661048 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot: again! < 1460661160 0 :erdic!~erdic@unaffiliated/motley QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1460661219 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1460661463 0 :hydraz!matheus@heddw.ch JOIN :#esoteric < 1460661463 0 :hydraz!matheus@heddw.ch QUIT :Changing host < 1460661463 0 :hydraz!matheus@unaffiliated/demhydraz JOIN :#esoteric < 1460661550 0 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1460661848 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot JOIN :#esoteric < 1460661977 0 :erdic!~erdic@unaffiliated/motley JOIN :#esoteric < 1460662091 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@vps.jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1460662225 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-87.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1460662445 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@vps.jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1460662476 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Юᓂ곧⎔14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=46776 5* 03B jonas 5* (+1213) 10Created page with "'''Юᓂ곧⎔''' is an unfinished plan for a programming language by David Madore in the blog post [http://www.madore.org/~david/weblog/d.2004-12-03.0813.html#d.2004-12-03.08..." < 1460662494 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Question. Should I count Юᓂ곧⎔ as an ordinary esolang or a joke language? < 1460662591 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46777&oldid=46726 5* 03B jonas 5* (+18) 10 < 1460662899 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1460662955 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: do you band with other scs of the hunt < 1460663444 0 :hppavilion[2]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-87.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1460663476 0 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1460663476 0 :hydraz!matheus@unaffiliated/demhydraz QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1460663509 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-87.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1460663531 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot JOIN :#esoteric < 1460663572 0 :hppavilion[2]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-87.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :P⚭Q ∧ P ∈ 𝔻𝕣 → Q ∈ 𝔻𝕣* < 1460663587 0 :hppavilion[2]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-87.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? codoctor < 1460663605 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :codoctor? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1460663622 0 :hppavilion[2]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-87.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`le/rn codoctor/P⚭Q ∧ P ∈ 𝔻𝕣 → Q ∈ 𝔻𝕣* < 1460663628 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned «codoctor» < 1460663749 0 :centrinia!~centrinia@107-208-218-105.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1460663813 0 :hppavilion[2]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-87.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :centrinia: Hello. New? < 1460663814 0 :centrinia!~centrinia@107-208-218-105.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1460663833 0 :hppavilion[2]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-87.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, centrina was on ##math too < 1460663842 0 :hppavilion[2]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-87.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*centrinia < 1460663865 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :centrinia isn't new < 1460663904 0 :hppavilion[2]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-87.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Ah, I've never seen em talk < 1460663991 0 :hppavilion[2]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-87.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask variable What's it like being a Variable Constantinople? How do your countrymen react to you when you change values? < 1460663991 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1460664007 0 :hppavilion[2]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-87.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I did not want to forget that joke before variable comes online) < 1460664063 0 :Reece`!~Ner@cpc4-wiga13-2-0-cust799.18-3.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1460664198 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in < 1460664616 0 :earendel!~earendel@unaffiliated/earendel JOIN :#esoteric < 1460664866 0 :centrinia!~centrinia@107-208-218-105.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1460665187 0 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1460665198 0 :callforjudgement!?@? NICK :ais523 < 1460665202 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :slightly weird situation here < 1460665211 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a zombie process I'm trying to get rid of < 1460665224 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I attached a debugger to its parent and forced it to run waitpid/wait, but it blocks < 1460665226 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :any ideas? < 1460665292 0 :hppavilion[2]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-87.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Aim for the head hth < 1460665300 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not helpful < 1460665302 0 :hppavilion[2]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-87.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Shotgun blast to the head should kill any zombie < 1460665318 0 :hppavilion[2]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-87.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Except chicken zombies < 1460665320 0 :hppavilion[2]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-87.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION shivers
< 1460665327 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the normal advice is "to kill a zombie you kill its parents" but in this case the parent process is upstart < 1460665348 0 :hppavilion[2]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-87.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Try reboot? < 1460665358 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that works but this problem has happened twice now < 1460665362 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I don't want to reboot every time < 1460665373 0 :hppavilion[2]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-87.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: *n?x, I assume? < 1460665375 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's not a situation that /should/ be able to occur (zombie process that doesn't show up on wait) < 1460665377 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes < 1460665419 0 :hppavilion[2]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-87.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :End-user programming is an interesting thing; however, the only form of it I know of that is accessible to non-programmers is spreadsheets < 1460665504 0 :hppavilion[2]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-87.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And filter config and such, I suppose, but that is usually absurdly abstracted) < 1460665552 0 :hppavilion[2]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-87.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Are you in the TC camp or the TFP camp, OOC? < 1460665559 0 :hppavilion[2]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-87.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think FSAs may actually be useful AND accessible for EUP < 1460665727 0 :hppavilion[2]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-87.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hex spreadsheet? < 1460665730 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1460665734 0 :hydraz!matheus@heddw.ch JOIN :#esoteric < 1460665734 0 :hydraz!matheus@heddw.ch QUIT :Changing host < 1460665734 0 :hydraz!matheus@unaffiliated/demhydraz JOIN :#esoteric < 1460666259 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in a "narrative" voice) "Little did ais513 know, the 'zombie' process was actually a cockatrice corpse." < 1460666293 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...wait, 523. < 1460666301 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/513/523/ < 1460666498 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1460666511 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so when I detached the debugger, my entire login session went down < 1460666521 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the login screen program (IIRC lightdm broke) < 1460666534 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then when I shut down the system manually from ctrl-alt-f1, it didn't shut down < 1460666556 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and not even alt-sysrq-o could power the system off (alt-sysrq-b worked though) < 1460666607 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1460666697 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...uh, wow. < 1460666717 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you didn't look at the logs, my theory was the zombie process was a cockatrice corpse. < 1460666798 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also, hydraz joined, left, then joined.) < 1460666877 0 :hppavilion[2]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-87.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: I think you mean ais += 10 < 1460666907 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...I also misspelt "ais523" as "ais513". < 1460666913 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1460667017 0 :hppavilion[2]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-87.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: Yeah, that's the point < 1460667052 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[2]: I was explaining your comment because ais523 didn't see the context (the misspelling) < 1460667071 0 :hppavilion[2]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-87.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: ais513 -> 513; ais523 -> 523; 523-513=10; .'. ais513+10=ais523 < 1460667090 0 :hppavilion[2]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-87.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: I invented a new pseudo-degree a little while ago, by the way. < 1460667095 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1460667150 0 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1460667154 0 :hppavilion[2]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-87.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: The codoctorate. < 1460667162 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1460667178 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1460667182 0 :hppavilion[2]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-87.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clearly, ais523 was here last time I brought this up < 1460667188 0 :hppavilion[2]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-87.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, he's back. Joke rescinded. < 1460667221 0 :hydraz!matheus@unaffiliated/demhydraz PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: Znc issues. < 1460667359 0 :hppavilion[2]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-87.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj? < 1460667496 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I made a page for the esoteric language Юᓂ곧⎔ . Does that count as a language or a joke language, for the purposes of esowiki? < 1460667552 0 :ais523!?@? NICK :l` < 1460667555 0 :l`!?@? NICK :ais523 < 1460667560 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh, typo < 1460667564 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me look at the page < 1460667624 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: given that it doesn't seem to define an actual language, just a source encoding < 1460667628 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure it's a language at all < 1460667635 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :people keep appearing and disappearing fast enough that I get the feeling it would be a bad idea to explain what happened while someone was out, since that would just ping other people and make more stuff happen < 1460667649 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which would lead to an endless cascade of stuff happening! < 1460667674 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: encoding of the source of what? < 1460667676 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in my case, it's basically that the cable connecting the laptop to the router is temperamental < 1460667684 0 :impomatic_!~digital_w@37.152.222.136 JOIN :#esoteric < 1460667684 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: the Юᓂ곧⎔ program < 1460667704 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, it's definitely not a full definition for the language < 1460667719 0 :rdococ_!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1460667932 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: but there's an example that shows how to define the main function, how to call a print (or printf, who knows) function, so it's not very far from a very sketchy description from which you could make a small but full language. It needs some conditionals, loops, returns, local variable declarations, and either parameter or return type declarations. < 1460667955 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you added those, it would already be a stack machine. < 1460667983 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I think it's an unfinished language basically. < 1460668005 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nobody completed a description or an implementation. < 1460668024 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"conditionals, loops" (etcetc.)? But adding all that stuff might make it less esoteric! < 1460668071 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :..."must not contain ASCII characters other than line feed"... < 1460668081 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, basically, everything is UTF-8. < 1460668084 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not use NEL? < 1460668097 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's non-ASCII, and stands for "next line" < 1460668105 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and many standards have it as a valid vertical whitespace character < 1460668108 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yes, I was wondering on that. There's like three unicode characters like that. But I didn't define the language. < 1460668121 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :TBH it already looks nuts < 1460668125 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it's unclear what it's meant to do that's different from the other whitespace characters < 1460668129 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it stands for a CRLF pair? < 1460668137 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, you better be Japanese if you want to use the language < 1460668153 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :since that way your function arguments make sense! < 1460668169 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...wait a sec... "and the corresponding name in katakana is used within the function definition." < 1460668186 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :an interpreter actually has to map from hiragana to katakana!?!?!? < 1460668188 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I think it's just meant to unambiguously differentiate line separator from paragraph separator, just like how there are unicode characters to unambiguously split the ascii minus or the ascii quotes to different semantical and typographical values. < 1460668211 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: so what's unicode for next paragraph? < 1460668587 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: \x{2028} for line separator, \x{2029} for paragraph separator. both are different from NEL which is \x{85} < 1460668787 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Юᓂ곧⎔14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46778&oldid=46776 5* 03B jonas 5* (+4) 10 < 1460668900 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1460668954 0 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1460669679 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@vps.jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1460669747 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@vps.jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1460670042 0 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-51-51.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1460670340 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1460670434 0 :Nithogg!~ethiraric@jrc16-h01-176-150-43-109.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1460672425 0 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1460672801 0 :tromp_!~tromp@216.223.243.225 JOIN :#esoteric < 1460673621 0 :hppavilion[2]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-87.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1460674561 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1460674561 0 :me4!~me@38.70.70.115.static.exetel.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1460674635 0 :centrinia!~centrinia@107-208-218-105.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1460674660 0 :me4!~me@38.70.70.115.static.exetel.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1460674935 0 :nycs!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1460674967 0 :hppavilion[2]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-87.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1460675114 0 :impomatic_!~digital_w@37.152.222.136 QUIT :Quit: http://corewar.co.uk < 1460675137 0 :centrinia!~centrinia@107-208-218-105.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1460675310 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1460676073 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar ENVA < 1460676073 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :ENVA 142150Z 11006KT 9999 FEW015 SCT040 BKN050 01/00 Q1002 RMK WIND 670FT 12004KT < 1460676101 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and here i wrote my dad just two days ago claiming spring was a-coming. < 1460676197 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1460676315 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :brrrroily < 1460676333 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar CYUL < 1460676334 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYUL 142200Z 03011KT 30SM FEW240 09/M11 A3042 RMK CI2 SLP306 < 1460676344 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :slightly less brrr < 1460676361 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellørjan! < 1460676367 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's disturbingly warm today! < 1460676378 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@massages-loud < 1460676378 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1] said 21h 5s ago: [the moment after you left:] boily: Wait, no, but it's a BNF for all /decidable/ grammars // And halting is undecidable < 1460676379 0 :hppavilion[2]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-87.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1460676387 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :balancing out trondheim, i take. < 1460676395 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavellon[\d]. < 1460676431 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Undecidement is Inevitable. < 1460676435 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar ENVA < 1460676435 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :ENVA 142150Z 11006KT 9999 FEW015 SCT040 BKN050 01/00 Q1002 RMK WIND 670FT 12004KT < 1460676441 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ō_Ō! < 1460676463 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's been up to 12 or so in previous weeks < 1460676479 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then it all goes downhill again. < 1460676498 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :last week was undefined behaviour. < 1460676503 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ic < 1460676533 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the Bixi bikes are out! new season starts tomorrow! woot! < 1460676557 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...okay < 1460676559 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(probably won't be able to ride them until Saturday; today and tomorrow two cow orkers and I are at a formation.) < 1460676564 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :biking is fun! < 1460676590 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah a montreal thing < 1460676599 0 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1460676616 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also an Ottawa thing. and a Melbourne thing. and Paris, IIRC hth < 1460676637 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well we've had public bikes in trondheim too. dunno if it's still done. < 1460676756 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are bixi bikes < 1460676791 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mynamello! they are public bikes you rent. < 1460676810 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are stations with locked bikes. you pay, pick one, ride, and lock it back at another station. < 1460676822 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok looks active http://www.bysykler.no/trondheim/kart-over-sykkelstativer < 1460676824 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or you get a subscription, with a nifty magnetic key. < 1460676836 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1460676845 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :different system, presumably. < 1460676973 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are fun! < 1460676990 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like my folding bike < 1460677044 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oi Taneb < 1460677045 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :taneb! < 1460677048 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :is homestuck done yet < 1460677076 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i saw homestuck was trending on reddit and that the subreddit was all people complaining < 1460677088 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i found this image which explained shit which has been obvious for ~4 years http://imgur.com/a/9ucF7 < 1460677121 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: iiuc the norwegian system uses a card < 1460677148 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but otherwise sounds like you describe. < 1460677173 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Yes, it is. < 1460677192 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it was a confused, unsatisfying mess in the end? < 1460677194 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe now I'll read it. < 1460677231 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I'll take pictures. < 1460677252 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :glorious pictures, with closeups of all their fiddly parts. beautiful bikes... < 1460677262 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncQsBzI-JHc < 1460677303 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :last time I clicked on one of your links I got a weird tune stuck in my head. < 1460677311 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure if it's good for my sanity... < 1460677323 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION clicks
< 1460677324 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :true. on the other hand this is on topic. < 1460677327 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is happy
< 1460677338 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@vps.jaboja.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1460677692 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i haven't mentioned i've been on a weird al binge https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ss_BmTGv43M < 1460677811 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this one is hilarious. < 1460677848 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :best laugh i've had in ages < 1460677944 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: have you figured out what a pooch-down automaton is yet twh < 1460677967 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmmm. < 1460678013 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellochaf. simple: it's a stack of pooches all the way down. then it's turtles, that are pooches too.