< 1462406424 0 :moon_!4c014a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.129 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1462406431 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t f < 1462406432 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :FromExpr a => a < 1462406439 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm weird < 1462406444 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t \x -> f x < 1462406445 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Show t, FromExpr r) => t -> r < 1462406493 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> f < 1462406494 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (Show a0) < 1462406494 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from a use of ‘show_M461523684287504534910579’ < 1462406494 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : The type variable ‘a0’ is ambiguous < 1462406511 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I'm not sure I'll have the patience to actually read it. But the Goldbach program is relatively short in Laconic, and it really doesn't look like it should require 4888 states < 1462406555 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"link to the paper"? < 1462406579 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :? https://esolangs.org/wiki/Laconic < 1462406600 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, i mean, did you really mean "to" there < 1462406605 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1462406637 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is probably blind to an alternative way of parsing this sentence right now.
< 1462406661 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the paper on"... oh. < 1462406676 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be confusing :) < 1462406996 0 :moon!4c014a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.129 JOIN :#esoteric < 1462407007 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Laconic14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46922&oldid=46921 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+14) 10Fmt < 1462407014 0 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-252.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: the almost 5000 states they need has a roughly 4000 state interpreter for locanic < 1462407019 0 :moon!?@? NICK :Guest80724 < 1462407026 0 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-252.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Laconic < 1462407039 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: well mostly it was just that i didn't realize someone made that page < 1462407079 0 :Guest80724!?@? NICK :moon__ < 1462407093 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :tromp: I see. < 1462407139 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION thinks formatting refs on esolang is confusing after he started using Cite templates on Wikipedia.
< 1462407292 0 :moon__!4c014a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is downloading freebsd to run on a virtual machine
< 1462407545 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1462407563 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Var'aq14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46923&oldid=46920 5* 03Oerjan 5* (-233) 10/* External resources */ merge and template < 1462407630 0 :Xe!?@? NICK :_8ade2af05f26 < 1462407653 0 :_8ade2af05f26!?@? NICK :Xe < 1462407717 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Can we substitute the complexes for something weirder to get weird quantum physics? :P <-- istr that discussed and the answer is essentially "no" < 1462407734 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least quaternions give nothing more < 1462407758 0 :ybden!~ybden@unaffiliated/ybden QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1462407763 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yeah, but what about the duals or split-complexes? < 1462407811 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't remember what those are. < 1462407892 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, another idea is that quantum physics is based on a different idea of probability, and somehow only ordinary probability and quantum probability work without breaking the light speed limit for information. < 1462407901 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: the dual numbers are what you get if you start with the numbers and reverse all the arrows hth < 1462407921 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: meh < 1462407934 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1462407958 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :please try better than that if you want a swatting hth < 1462407972 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that hurt more than any swatting hth < 1462407977 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know < 1462408025 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i had some good ones yesterday < 1462408032 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and not breaking the light speed limit is important because it's so easy to make up something "weird" that fails to do that) < 1462408035 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :true. < 1462408084 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the really weird thing about quantum mechanics isn't just how weird it is, but how it manages _not_ to give certain powers. < 1462408104 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird, but not always weird enough. < 1462408212 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :dan piponi wrote about something like that < 1462408263 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1462408319 0 :moon__!4c014a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :freebsd is quite close to unix, right? < 1462408330 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : the image of dorian gray <-- . o O ( this file never changes, although it's SHA256 hash does... ) < 1462408338 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*its < 1462408355 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :spooky < 1462408380 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :no one ever talks about that kind of attack on a hash function < 1462408383 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :second image attack < 1462408534 0 :moon__!4c014a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :freebsd is quite close to unix, right? < 1462408571 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, http://blog.sigfpe.com/2013/10/distributed-computing-with-alien.html < 1462408593 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It suggests that quantum mechanics is right at the edge of the space of possible physics that make life difficult for us. If quantum mechanics were to be tweaked the tiniest amount to make correlations any stronger, large numbers of difficult distributed computing problems would suddenly collapse to become trivial. If the conjecture is true it means that nature looks a bit like a conspiracy to keep comp < 1462408599 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :uter scientists in work." < 1462408607 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so close to unix, so far from plan 9 < 1462408638 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: hm that might be where i got it from too < 1462408697 0 :moon__!4c014a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :good < 1462408714 0 :moon__!4c014a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that means running a virtual machine of it and treating it like a terminal is not a bad idea (lol) < 1462408876 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION think moon__ may have got whooshed
< 1462408883 0 :moon__!4c014a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually < 1462408890 0 :moon__!4c014a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can be batshit crazy at times < 1462408916 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think they're both POSIX systems, no? < 1462409014 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1462409033 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION misread unix as linux
< 1462409050 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, it's all a big happy family. < 1462409074 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't mind the strange sounds in the attic. < 1462409194 0 :moon__!4c014a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :vi woont work, saying the disk is readonly, but i have a empty disk mounted, help? < 1462409245 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does df say < 1462409270 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm wait < 1462409302 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :something about dwarves < 1462409353 0 :moon__!4c014a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol damnit < 1462409367 0 :moon__!4c014a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice one sha < 1462409382 0 :moon__!4c014a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it says i have two drives mounted (i guess?) rootfs and devfs < 1462409436 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, that command doesn't say whether it's readonly. i've forgotten what does. < 1462409452 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION doesn't do sysadmining himself.
< 1462409499 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :'mount' generally does. < 1462409499 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mount < 1462409534 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: how's pooches? < 1462409555 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have root mounted as readonly, then mount will usually give incorrect information, because it tries to read the list of mounted disks from /etc/mtab which is read-only so previous mounts couldn't write it. < 1462409570 0 :moon!4c014a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.129 JOIN :#esoteric < 1462409580 0 :moon!4c014a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :connection died < 1462409594 0 :moon!?@? NICK :Guest90291 < 1462409603 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, i just had problems getting it to show only one mount. < 1462409608 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can try reading /proc/self/mounts instead to ask the kernel to give you a list of mounts (sadly it's formatted to human-readable irreversibly) < 1462409611 0 :Guest90291!?@? NICK :moon___ < 1462409624 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: At least my mount just reads from /proc. I don't know about FreeBSD's, though. < 1462409640 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i did df . first to get the mount point, then mount | grep ... < 1462409648 0 :moon__!4c014a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.129 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1462409655 0 :moon___!4c014a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1462409692 0 :moon___!4c014a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1462409696 0 :moon___!4c014a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what oerjan? < 1462409697 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And my /etc/mtab is a symlink to ../proc/self/mounts, apparently.) < 1462409702 0 :moon___!4c014a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*is linux shit* < 1462409715 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :moon___: fizzie said you might have trouble if root is readonly < 1462409720 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :moon___: three guesses: (1) try vim, (2) mount a writable disk (possibly a tmpfs) and use the :set directory command of vi to put the temp files there, (3) ask #vim on this network < 1462409720 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't. < 1462409724 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas did. < 1462409728 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1462409741 0 :moon___!4c014a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yea, i used the virtual disk supplyed by freebsd < 1462409744 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I don't know whether that's an idiom or reference. < 1462409755 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: please stop resembling fizzie twh < 1462409772 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(4) if all else fails, just use sed, it doesn't need to create temp files < 1462409790 0 :moon___!4c014a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rootfs is read only < 1462409795 0 :moon___!4c014a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :trouble, darnit < 1462409802 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? fizzie < 1462409815 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie is not fnord with a monad but the king of #esoteric, see http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/src/fizziecoin.jpg < 1462409826 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :moon___: also, um, this might be dumb but, any chance you can just remount the root fs to read-write? < 1462409846 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any chance you can just have a normal installation of a thing. < 1462409860 0 :moon___!4c014a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, how? < 1462409870 0 :moon___!4c014a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how b_jonas < 1462409922 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :moon___: like, first find out why it was mounted read-only, if it was mounted read-only because there are serious file system or disk io errors, then it might be dangerous to try to remount so don't do it, but if it is mounted ro only at boot and something happened and the boot couldn't proceed then it MIGHT be safe to remount, < 1462409931 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :moon___: then mount -oremount,rw / < 1462409947 0 :moon___!4c014a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its a virtual machine < 1462409952 0 :moon___!4c014a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cant hurt anything for now < 1462409953 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if it's on a read-only disk, then it won't work) < 1462409962 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION vaguely assumes moon___ has never used a unix-alike system before.
< 1462409971 0 :moon___!4c014a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION notes that oerjan is right
< 1462409979 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought he's just never adminned one < 1462409990 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means this advice is probably a bit over his head < 1462410003 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's pretty close to over mine, too) < 1462410032 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: This would be relatively normal experience to have as a *knowledgable* user of a typical Unix system. < 1462410033 0 :moon___!4c014a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ill try just using a installation disk < 1462410043 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well, learning unix by managing an installation at home and trying to fix stuff I break did work for me. < 1462410044 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's "mount -u -o rw /" on FreeBSD, I believe. But, I mean, I distinctly remember a stock FreeBSD installation having writable storage. < 1462410060 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though certainly not, say, an OS X system, or a slightly less knowledgable user of a Unix system. < 1462410072 0 :moon___!4c014a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thx fizzie < 1462410073 0 :moon___!4c014a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :done < 1462410110 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: dunno, the mount might be but the vi magic part probably isn't. some unixy people can live their lives without knowing much of vi < 1462410125 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1462410131 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? vim < 1462410132 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? vi < 1462410136 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? 5 < 1462410145 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ex < 1462410161 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, yes, knowing vi in detail is mostly gonna be admins or certain serious programmers. < 1462410175 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Classically, you need to know enough of vi to get out of it. < 1462410181 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1462410184 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :vi is in a relationship with emacs. < 1462410185 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ex? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1462410185 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :5? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1462410208 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: my opinion is that you need to know enough of vi to modify some makefiles of another editor you compile < 1462410251 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :On systems people *actually use*, knowing nano exists is plenty. < 1462410272 0 :moon___!4c014a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just realized my system thinks it doesnt have mk, im worried it might not < 1462410274 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Confusion14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46924&oldid=46918 5* 03H3LL 5* (+1) 10 < 1462410281 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://smbc-comics.com/index.php?id=718 < 1462410291 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :moon___: mk is a HackEgo command we made ourselves. < 1462410296 0 :moon___!4c014a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1462410306 0 :moon___!4c014a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sigh* < 1462410315 0 :moon___!4c014a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/mk < 1462410316 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[[ "$1" == ?*//* ]] || { echo usage: "mk[x]" file//contents >&2; exit 1; }; key="${1%%//*}"; value="${1#*//}"; echo "$value" > "$(echo-p "$key")" && echo "$key" < 1462410323 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: maybe you also have to know what handful of configuration you have to set to make programs invoke your editor of choice as the default editor, because not everything respects $VISUAL or $EDITOR < 1462410329 0 :centrinia!~centrinia@107-208-218-105.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1462410331 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :moon___: because we don't have proper terminal access for a normal editor. < 1462410342 0 :moon___!4c014a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dnt get vi at all < 1462410355 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :moon___: do you have nano, as pikhq suggested? < 1462410369 0 :moon___!4c014a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1462410394 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure. < 1462410403 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: we could implement a small stateful line editor though. probably something like the editors in basic or APL systems that don't renumber lines until you explicitly ask but let you insert lines between already existing ones. < 1462410443 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: we don't like too much state, it clutters up the repository history < 1462410481 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yeah... isn't there a stateful directory (or other state) that's not versioned though, so we use that? < 1462410485 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1462410487 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1462410498 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not even as an accidental feature or bug? < 1462410511 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not as a known one. < 1462410513 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :moon___: what are you hoping to edit with vim anyway if your file systems are read-only? < 1462410531 0 :moon___!4c014a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i fixed that < 1462410534 0 :moon___!4c014a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie < 1462410551 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: hmm... note to self, find some such bug < 1462410579 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would likely involve a bug in the uml sandbox. < 1462410637 0 :moon___!4c014a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :freebsd lacks vim < 1462410639 0 :moon___!4c014a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has vi < 1462410644 0 :moon___!4c014a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ee (easy editor) < 1462410648 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I don't think it needs to. those sandboxes aren't really built to be completely deterministic, so we can use some side-channel to store state. < 1462410650 0 :moon___!4c014a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :im going to use ee to learn < 1462410659 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: Ew. < 1462410678 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Correct < 1462410690 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :moon________________________________________! < 1462410708 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Each execution is a fresh boot of UML, and the only thing bound read-write from outside is the repository directory. < 1462410728 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yes, but I said side-channels. non-deterministic stuff. < 1462410746 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :not actualy fs directories < 1462410761 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :moon___: btw you can always replace mk with echo '...' >filename , although you might need to escape 's inside < 1462410764 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll believe that once I see it. < 1462410820 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there might not be a practically usable one of course < 1462410977 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Having an easy-to-use stateful editor would also be a loss in the sense that editing files would be less of a puzzle game every time. < 1462411070 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/sedlast < 1462411071 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sed -i "$1" "$(lastfiles)" < 1462411088 0 :moon___!4c014a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls fetch < 1462411089 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls: cannot access fetch: No such file or directory < 1462411094 0 :moon___!4c014a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/fetch < 1462411095 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat: bin/fetch: No such file or directory < 1462411100 0 :moon___!4c014a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat fetch < 1462411101 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat: fetch: No such file or directory < 1462411104 0 :moon___!4c014a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1462411128 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :moon___: fetch is a builtin of HackEgo that's outside the sandbox precisely so it can access the web freely < 1462411135 0 :moon___!4c014a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1462411152 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: well, it's a win-win because if I don't find such a state, then I can just say termbot is superior < 1462411161 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for it has persistent state) < 1462411170 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls bin/*sed* < 1462411171 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin/sedlast < 1462411172 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and it's not version controlled) < 1462411240 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that does not sound superior hth < 1462411259 0 :moon___!4c014a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what would be a good way to put a file (like ciol intepreter src) onto freebsd? < 1462411278 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :moon___: normally i'd suggest curl or wget but i don't know if those work inside your VM. < 1462411287 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1462411291 0 :moon___!4c014a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mine is set up ith connection < 1462411294 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no no, first check if you can install from ports < 1462411327 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: ciol is his own esolang < 1462411357 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION never used a VM so should shut up at this point
< 1462411402 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there's probably a standard way to transfer files between inside and outside < 1462411419 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :do we even know what kind of vm it is? < 1462411427 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :good point < 1462411466 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, it's never "a standard" < 1462411495 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well standard for the VM < 1462411497 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's probably multiple standard ways < 1462411498 0 :moon___!4c014a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its virtualbox < 1462411539 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :moon___: well, if it already has a network connection to the outside, then you can probably transfer the file through that < 1462411539 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( wednesday, so two extra mezzacotta comics ) < 1462411542 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: the heck is a comonoid? Is it... something where... nah, I'm stumped. < 1462411559 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? comonoid < 1462411560 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: it's like a monoid but with the arrows reversed hth < 1462411560 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :comonoid? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1462411569 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, we don't have an entry on this one? < 1462411575 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :strange < 1462411589 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: this time shachaf speaks truth < 1462411590 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? comonad < 1462411592 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Comonads are just monads in the dual category. < 1462411612 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is a comonoid in a category a monoid in the opposite category? < 1462411618 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1462411649 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: they're uninteresting in haskell because _every_ type is a comonoid with the operations \x -> () and \x -> (x,x) (iirc) < 1462411679 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: For (,)-comonoids, yes. < 1462411690 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can also talk about comonoids with Either, I guess. < 1462411700 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :are those interesting? < 1462411703 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1462411716 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have counit : M -> Void and comult : M -> Either M M < 1462411718 0 :moon___!4c014a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hat does pkg mean when 'Error fetching : no package record? < 1462411726 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So only Void is an instance. < 1462411756 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can also talk about monoids with Either -- unit : Void -> A and mult : Either A A -> A -- and those are also uninteresting. < 1462411768 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: um, just because there's one definition that works, there might also be more interesting instances you can define. < 1462411775 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: There aren't. < 1462411798 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the other hand, if you're talking about monoids in the category of endofunctors you get all sorts of interesting options. < 1462411812 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can get Applicative, Alternative, and Monad. < 1462411820 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alternative too? < 1462411831 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, you can get it two different ways. < 1462411851 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The simpler one is with (:*:). < 1462411874 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :unit : Proxy ~> F; mult : (F :*: F) ~> F < 1462411876 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a category of monoid concepts in the category of endofunctors, and does it have initial and final elements < 1462411890 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's a monoid concept < 1462411909 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :those options you mention < 1462411921 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so s/concept/option/ < 1462411940 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the "options" here are choices of tensor products for the category of endofunctors, I guess. < 1462411952 0 :moon___!4c014a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does pkg mean when 'Error fetching : no package record'? < 1462411961 0 :moon___!4c014a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :im trying to have it install itself < 1462411968 0 :moon___!4c014a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesnt come preinstalled < 1462411979 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure what a morphism from one choice of tensor product to another is? < 1462412016 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess a tensor product is a bifunctor : CxC -> C < 1462412020 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: the category is defined in the natural way hth < 1462412023 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you can talk about natural transformations between them. < 1462412045 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: so what's the answer twh < 1462412071 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: can we have a graph of the rise of hth along with its friends twh tdh tdnh etc. twh < 1462412103 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: you'd imagine the Applicative => Monad relationship to give an arrow somewhere? < 1462412124 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe? < 1462412141 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also the category is probably more complicated because you have the identity and the isomorphisms. < 1462412198 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> f :: Expr -> Expr < 1462412199 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Expr> < 1462412211 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(no relation) < 1462412290 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i've just been thinking about the awkward fact that Expr stuff needs too much type annotation) < 1462412339 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> f (g x) :: Expr < 1462412341 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (Show t0) arising from a use of ‘f’ < 1462412341 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : The type variable ‘t0’ is ambiguous < 1462412341 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Note: there are several potential instances: < 1462412369 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t \g -> f (g x) :: Expr < 1462412370 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Show t => (Expr -> t) -> Expr < 1462412414 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm lambdabot doesn't do ExtendedDefaulting? < 1462412453 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t f (g x) :: Expr < 1462412454 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (Show t0) arising from a use of ‘f’ < 1462412454 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : The type variable ‘t0’ is ambiguous < 1462412454 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Note: there are several potential instances: < 1462412461 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t f (g x) < 1462412462 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Could not deduce (Show t0) arising from a use of ‘f’ < 1462412462 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : from the context (FromExpr t) < 1462412462 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : bound by the inferred type of it :: FromExpr t => t < 1462412672 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I got to thinking today—using pretty much only just existing software, how could you make a Linux distribution which contains the smallest possible number of non-.NET components? < 1462412714 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's say that in order to be considered a "Linux distribution", it has to be capable of compiling itself, and it also has to be minimally usable. < 1462412756 0 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-194-61.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1462412756 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :By definition, the distro will have to include Linux. If I'm not mistaken, GCC is also mandatory, because nothing besides GCC can compile Linux. < 1462412778 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Without binutils, you're in a pretty bad spot. < 1462412783 0 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-194-61.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1462412791 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think technically you could add Busybox and call it done. < 1462412813 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that's not an answer that's in the spirit of the question. < 1462412828 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, add in Mono as well. < 1462412846 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask int-e Would anything important go wrong if you added Expr to the end of lambdabot's default list? (i can think of one thing: expressions confusing Integrals and Fractionals might inexplicably start giving Exprs instead of errors.) < 1462412846 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1462412847 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: you also need a libc besides the busybox < 1462412866 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh yeah, libc is pretty important. < 1462412872 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: as well as a make, a couple of libraries for gcc, and some shell utilities to make the kernel build work < 1462412890 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you really need make at all? < 1462412941 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: for compiling the kernel, sure, it's driven by makefiles < 1462412950 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION nods.
< 1462412962 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So either use make, or replace all the makefiles with something else. < 1462412964 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and you need libc headers too, to be able to compiler gcc < 1462412981 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could use fsharpi as a shell. < 1462412992 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would make a pretty crappy standard Linux shell. < 1462413004 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: what you could do is to not include gcc directly, but instead include a smaller compiler and use that to compile a gcc < 1462413007 0 :moon___!4c014a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :freebsd is causing problems, wont let me run files < 1462413037 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :although with recent gcc versions that's pretty difficult because you actually need a c++ compiler, and there's not many working ones other than gcc and clang < 1462413047 0 :moon___!4c014a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :any help? < 1462413054 0 :moon___!4c014a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need to run rc but i cant < 1462413059 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :moon___: um, be more specific please < 1462413068 0 :moon___!4c014a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :permission denied < 1462413081 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds like you might need to chmod +x the file you're trying to run. < 1462413086 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: you need a _real_ shell and a couple of utils to run those makefiles < 1462413103 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1462413120 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So the minimal self-compiling Linux distro actually includes, like, several components. < 1462413169 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: sure. and in a real distro, you'd also need an init and a modutils, though if you ONLY want to self-compile, not do anything else, you can probably omit them < 1462413194 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Surely init could be written in .NET. < 1462413209 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, like, < 1462413219 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ln -s fsharpi /bin/init < 1462413221 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: ugh... no. and traditional init is a small program, so you don't have to. < 1462413238 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's easier to just have an init < 1462413265 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: wait wat < 1462413267 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@vps.jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1462413275 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: the biggest problem isn't even gcc < 1462413287 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: in "self-compiling", do you mean also compiling libc? < 1462413298 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably. < 1462413304 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :because compiling libc is pretty much impossible (this is a known bug or known feature, depending on who you ask) < 1462413324 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can't really have a completely self-compiling linux distro with gnu libc at all < 1462413337 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'll need to use an alternate libc, and that makes a lot of things harder < 1462413347 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :glibc is nearly impossible to compile? < 1462413366 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: yes, or it was last I checked, some years ago. there's even a bug ticket about it which says so. < 1462413391 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: have you ever compiled one? I did, but that was a decade ago, so I know it's *changed* to become impossible to compile at some point. < 1462413399 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not just that I'm stupid and that's why I can't compile it. < 1462413403 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It grew and became worse. < 1462413404 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I have. < 1462413446 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :More like 15 years ago actually. How time flies. < 1462413643 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But failing to build libc was also a long time ago, so eventually I should try building libc again, because it's annoying that I can't. I know libc has changed a lot since I failed to build it. < 1462413674 0 :moon___!4c014a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont get rc.conf at all, and i cant enable networking *sigh* < 1462413689 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should probably try to build it around the time I try contact lenses the third time, for the situation is somewhat analogous, with me, contact lenses, and libc all changing a lot during the yeras. < 1462414051 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> last (takeWhile (> 0)) (iterate (/ 2) 1) < 1462414052 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type ‘[[Double] -> t]’ < 1462414052 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : with actual type ‘[Integer] -> [Integer]’ < 1462414052 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Probable cause: ‘takeWhile’ is applied to too few arguments < 1462414067 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> last (takeWhile (> 0) (iterate (/ 2) 1)) < 1462414069 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 5.0e-324 < 1462414466 0 :moon___!4c014a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well, im going to have to go to my ip configuration to make address space for freebsd < 1462415082 0 :Akaibu!uid118096@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ypdlasrcjgbgugjg QUIT : < 1462415368 0 :moon___!4c014a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.129 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1462415514 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo -e 'foo\nbar\rPRIVMSG #esoteric :hi\r\n' #just double checking fizzie's claim < 1462415536 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo \ bar < 1462415580 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it fails because it doesn't output \r\n, only \r < 1462415854 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo -e 'foo\nbar\rQUIT' < 1462415857 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo \ bar < 1462416066 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 5.0e-324 < 1462416068 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 5.0e-324 < 1462416070 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 5.0e-324 / 2 < 1462416072 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0.0 < 1462416100 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 324 * logBase 2 10 < 1462416102 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1076.3047027435055 < 1462416132 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> length (takeWhile (> 0) (iterate (/ 2) 1)) < 1462416133 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1075 < 1462416151 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> subtract 1 . last . takeWhile (> 1) . map (+1) . iterate (/ 2) $ 1 < 1462416152 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2.220446049250313e-16 < 1462416189 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (1 + 2.220446049250313e-16, 1 + 2.220446049250313e-16 / 2, 1 + 2.220446049250313e-16 / 3, 1 + 2 * 2.220446049250313e-16 / 3) < 1462416191 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : (1.0000000000000002,1.0,1.0,1.0000000000000002) < 1462416213 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What rounding rule is this thing using? < 1462416220 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ties go towards zero? < 1462416626 0 :Moon__!4c014a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.129 JOIN :#esoteric < 1462416632 0 :Moon__!4c014a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :On my tablet now < 1462416643 0 :Moon__!4c014a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i discovered termux < 1462416864 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (2 * 5.0e-324) * 1.5 < 1462416866 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1.5e-323 < 1462416885 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoops, that's the wrong one. < 1462416888 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (2 * 5.0e-324) * 0.75 < 1462416890 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1.0e-323 < 1462416930 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: well calculations are IEEE, not sure about output. < 1462416942 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the rounding rule can't be "ties go towards zero", then. < 1462416990 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :towards even perhaps? < 1462416995 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :By the way, I propose that 2.220446049250313e-16 be called a "grain" and that 5.0e-324 be called a "speck". < 1462417006 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would probably make sense. < 1462417032 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [1.0 - 1, 1.0000000000000001 - 1, 1.0000000000000002 - 1, 1.0000000000000003 - 1, 1.0000000000000004 - 1] < 1462417033 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : [0.0,0.0,2.220446049250313e-16,2.220446049250313e-16,4.440892098500626e-16] < 1462417665 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, about those groups with unsolvable word problems (i.e. undecidable equality). < 1462417682 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of them is the group of (Collins 1986): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Word_problem_for_groups#Examples < 1462417696 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is somewhat complicated. < 1462418186 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess we probably don't have a better one. < 1462418195 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, do I smell an esolang here? < 1462418205 0 :Moon__!4c014a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi tswett < 1462418327 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey there. < 1462418429 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I do smell an esolang here. < 1462418452 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Take Collins' group there. Just come up with some notation for concisely expressing elements of the group, and that's the language itself. < 1462418465 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The semantics: you "run" a program by trying to reduce it to the identity word. < 1462418705 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait a minute, that group of Collins is pretty much just a hacked-up version of a semigroup by Céjtin. < 1462418762 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This variant of said semigroup is so simple that I can easily give an entire presentation for the whole thing in one IRC message: < 1462418811 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ac = ca; ad = da; bc = cb; bd = db; ce = eca; de = edb; cca = ccae < 1462419057 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1462419072 0 :Moon__!4c014a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`fetch http://pastebin.com/raw/BGTV9E93 < 1462419075 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2016-05-05 02:31:12 URL:http://pastebin.com/raw/BGTV9E93 [3761] -> "BGTV9E93" [1] < 1462419083 0 :Moon__!4c014a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone compile that as bin/ciol < 1462419136 0 :Moon__!4c014a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :im not too good with gcc, i leave that to my ide :p < 1462419543 0 :Froox!~Frooxius@194.108.5.201 JOIN :#esoteric < 1462419602 0 :Moon__!4c014a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Hi < 1462419609 0 :Moon__!4c014a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ciol rhello; < 1462419624 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1462419657 0 :Froo!~Frooxius@194.108.5.201 JOIN :#esoteric < 1462419696 0 :Moon__!4c014a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi < 1462419701 0 :Moon__!4c014a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ciol rhello; < 1462419707 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1462419719 0 :Moon__!4c014a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :#slowego < 1462419729 0 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@194.108.5.201 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1462419761 0 :Moon__!4c014a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone alive in here? < 1462419798 0 :Moon__!4c014a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett? < 1462419802 0 :Moon__!4c014a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh. < 1462419827 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup, I'm here. < 1462419873 0 :Froox!~Frooxius@194.108.5.201 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1462419886 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm here, but I'm not alive. < 1462419931 0 :Moon__!4c014a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lll < 1462419934 0 :Moon__!4c014a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1462419945 0 :Moon__!4c014a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i really adore termux < 1462419962 0 :Moon__!4c014a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :power =ful linux/unix like interface on your android' < 1462419963 0 :Froo!~Frooxius@194.108.5.201 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1462420041 0 :Moon__!4c014a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do i tell a linux os to allow a file to be executed without chmod? < 1462420057 0 :Moon__!4c014a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in such a way i dont have to repeated that trick every time < 1462420085 0 :Moon__!4c014a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett and pikhq ^ < 1462420088 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't, really. If you want a file to be executable you have to use chmod on it first. < 1462420104 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` gcc -x c -o bin/ciol BGTV9E93 # oh well < 1462420117 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1462420144 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though, most things that generate executables will set things as executable for you. < 1462420163 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: well there _is_ a way. it might not be a good idea... < 1462420163 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you use NTFS as your root filesystem, won't that effectively make everything +x? (Note: this is probably a very bad idea.) < 1462420179 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :NTFS is not usable as a root filesystem. < 1462420187 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why not? < 1462420191 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least, not on Linux with current NTFS implementations. < 1462420218 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :As I understand it, in principle you could implement a Unix system with NTFS as the root FS, but you couldn't use ntfs-3g for it. < 1462420240 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it does little tricks like making everything +x. < 1462420249 0 :Moon__!4c014a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, ok < 1462420255 0 :Moon__!4c014a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :im sticking with fa < 1462420260 0 :Moon__!4c014a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*fs < 1462420270 0 :Moon__!4c014a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the default one < 1462420323 0 :coppro!~scshunt@corn-syrup.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: http://www.tuxera.com/community/ntfs-3g-faq/#rootfs < 1462420323 0 :Moon__!4c014a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`url bin/mk < 1462420327 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/bin/mk < 1462420327 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :NTFS probably doesn't let you make a filename containing nearly arbitrary bytes. < 1462420334 0 :Moon__!4c014a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.129 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1462420336 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does NTFS let you have a backslash in the name of a file? < 1462420367 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shockingly, it does. < 1462420373 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's Win32 that doesn't. < 1462420387 0 :Moon__-!4c014a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.129 JOIN :#esoteric < 1462420410 0 :Moon__-!4c014a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :çlosed chatoon accident < 1462420421 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am in fact surprised by this. < 1462420440 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about a forward slash? < 1462420460 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it does. < 1462420495 0 :Moon__-!4c014a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`url bin/echo-p < 1462420497 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/bin/echo-p < 1462420500 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, it doesn't matter for purposes of implementing POSIX. POSIX doesn't require you to be able to store arbitrary bytes in a filename. < 1462420536 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9699919799/basedefs/V1_chap03.html#tag_03_278 Just [A-Za-z0-9._-]* < 1462420629 0 :Moon__-!4c014a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`url bin/echo-p:p < 1462420631 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/bin/echo-p%3Ap < 1462420637 0 :Moon__-!4c014a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay i ported mk to turmux < 1462420675 0 :Moon__-!4c014a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :something familiar and good for usage inside shellscript < 1462420699 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Moon__-: note that mk in shell will behave like `` mk does in HackEgo, not like `mk < 1462420710 0 :Moon__-!4c014a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ik < 1462420711 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's a little more awkward to use < 1462420732 0 :Moon__-!4c014a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dont '' work? < 1462420745 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :as long as you don't need 's inside it... < 1462420752 0 :Moon__-!4c014a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1462420771 0 :Moon__-!4c014a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :true:p < 1462420776 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Moon__-: you probably want mkx too, then < 1462420777 0 :Moon__-!4c014a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So its worthwhile :p < 1462420790 0 :Moon__-!4c014a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`url bin/mk < 1462420792 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/bin/mk < 1462420792 0 :Moon__-!4c014a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`url bin/mkx < 1462420794 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/bin/mkx < 1462420828 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently filenames in Windows can't end with a dot or space. < 1462420833 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo: your utilities are spreading! < 1462420878 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1462420880 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ' < 1462420882 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: -c: line 0: unexpected EOF while looking for matching `'' \ bash: -c: line 1: syntax error: unexpected end of file < 1462420948 0 :Moon__-!4c014a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hackegos utilities are amazing :P < 1462421130 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1462421172 0 :Moon__-!4c014a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`mkx mkcmd//'key=$@ && echo "$key" && chmod+x "$key"' < 1462421177 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mkcmd < 1462421181 0 :Moon__-!4c014a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :useful for pastes < 1462421203 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Moon__-: hm? < 1462421212 0 :Moon__-!4c014a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :``mv mkcmd bin/mkcmd < 1462421215 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: `mv: not found < 1462421226 0 :Moon__-!4c014a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` mv mkcmd bin/mkcmd < 1462421230 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1462421253 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Moon__-: that's buggy, also how is it better than `` chmod +x < 1462421257 0 :Moon__-!4c014a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mkcmd Would be good for external files' < 1462421264 0 :Moon__-!4c014a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shorter < 1462421274 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :still buggy. < 1462421282 0 :Moon__-!4c014a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :.-. < 1462421293 0 :Moon__-!4c014a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :delete it if you want < 1462421349 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`mkx bin/mkcmd//chmod +x "$1" && echo "$1" < 1462421352 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin/mkcmd < 1462421358 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that's better < 1462421405 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't need to make a variable just to refer to an argument, also there were two errors, and i think putting the echo last gives better error messages < 1462421411 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`mkcmd fnord < 1462421413 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :chmod: cannot access `fnord': No such file or directory < 1462421425 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(by not also doing the echo) < 1462421772 0 :Moon__-!4c014a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who made fueue? < 1462421849 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb invented it < 1462421881 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :several people made implementations. < 1462421901 0 :Moon__-!4c014a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1462422351 0 :Cale!~Cale@2607:fea8:9840:1d5:4cc2:c057:cd43:d8a PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.scottaaronson.com/blog/?p=2725 Adam Yedidia has explicitly constructed a Turing machine with 7918 states whose halting is independent of ZFC set theory. < 1462422676 0 :Kaynato!~Aedile@cpe-75-187-129-201.neo.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, Moon! < 1462422690 0 :Moon__-!4c014a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi < 1462422698 0 :Moon__-!4c014a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :im working with termux < 1462422701 0 :Moon__-!4c014a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at the sec < 1462422709 0 :Kaynato!~Aedile@cpe-75-187-129-201.neo.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, neat < 1462422785 0 :Moon__-!4c014a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :porting mk over to it made things easier for me < 1462422840 0 :Kaynato!~Aedile@cpe-75-187-129-201.neo.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very nice! < 1462423307 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cale: already linked, currently reading < 1462423775 0 :Moon-!4c014a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.129 JOIN :#esoteric < 1462423786 0 :Moon-!4c014a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Back < 1462423798 0 :Moon-!4c014a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whos alive? < 1462423948 0 :Moon__-!4c014a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.129 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1462423968 0 :Moon-!4c014a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :.. < 1462424370 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :BRAINS < 1462424455 0 :Moon-!4c014a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mop < 1462424503 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1462424525 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Moon-: Why not make a language with syntax? < 1462424531 0 :Moon-!4c014a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hp, hi! < 1462424543 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"hi"? < 1462424543 0 :Moon-!4c014a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe later < 1462424619 0 :centrinia!~centrinia@107-208-218-105.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1462424639 0 :centrinia!~centrinia@107-208-218-105.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1462424768 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1462425033 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1462425202 0 :u0_a201!~u0_a201@tx-76-1-74-129.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1462425208 0 :u0_a201!~u0_a201@tx-76-1-74-129.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1462425225 0 :u0_a201!~u0_a201@tx-76-1-74-129.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :im trying a new cliemt\ < 1462425247 0 :u0_a201!?@? NICK :moon___ < 1462425252 0 :moon___!~u0_a201@tx-76-1-74-129.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fixed < 1462425271 0 :moon___!~u0_a201@tx-76-1-74-129.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone alive? < 1462425317 0 :moon___!~u0_a201@tx-76-1-74-129.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1462425334 0 :coppro!~scshunt@corn-syrup.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1462425338 0 :Moon-!4c014a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone alive? < 1462425370 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :only you hth < 1462425463 0 :Moon-!4c014a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :.-. < 1462425502 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan is going to rise from the dead p. soon, though < 1462425578 0 :Moon-!4c014a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shachaf, what would be a safe command identifier for a new bot? < 1462425600 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are you asking me < 1462425655 0 :Moon-!4c014a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Idl < 1462425664 0 :Moon-!4c014a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just wana know < 1462425677 0 :Moon-!4c014a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :~check < 1462425709 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^prefixes < 1462425709 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEgo `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ?, thutubot +, metasepia ~, idris-bot ( , jconn ) , j-bot [ . < 1462425718 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :technically ~ is taken < 1462425740 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar ENVA < 1462425741 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :ENVA 050350Z 09004KT CAVOK 05/M00 Q1021 RMK WIND 670FT 14008KT < 1462425741 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :] hm < 1462425744 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar KOAK < 1462425745 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :KOAK 050353Z 25009KT 10SM FEW019 FEW100 BKN180 16/10 A2988 RMK AO2 SLP118 T01560100 < 1462425764 0 :Moon-!4c014a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :& then? < 1462425771 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :&hm < 1462425781 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :& 3 < 1462425789 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose that's not in use < 1462425806 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it might be in danger of being used by humans < 1462425808 0 :Kaynato!~Aedile@cpe-75-187-129-201.neo.res.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1462425846 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :& what if it is < 1462425870 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :( if you don't think triggering bots accidentally is annoying, go ahead ) < 1462425871 0 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-092-072-145-031.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(input):1:60: error: expected: "#", < 1462425871 0 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-092-072-145-031.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : "$", "&", "&&", "&&&", "*!>", < 1462425871 0 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-092-072-145-031.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : "*", "***", "*>", "*>|", "+", < 1462425871 0 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-092-072-145-031.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : "++", "+++", "-", "->", ".", < 1462425871 0 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-092-072-145-031.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : "/", "/=", ":+", ":-", "::",14↵… < 1462425907 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :to be fair, bots that respond with more than one line of output like that are annoying in themselves < 1462425916 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :true. < 1462425946 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot: this means you hth < 1462425987 0 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-yqfrhkyejaxidcqw PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hahah. < 1462426015 0 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-yqfrhkyejaxidcqw PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: At least it stopped itself at 5. < 1462426036 0 :Moon-!4c014a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!whoami < 1462426046 0 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-yqfrhkyejaxidcqw PRIVMSG #esoteric :24601, who else? < 1462426055 0 :Moon-!4c014a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :llol < 1462426058 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Moon-: EgoBot isn't present at the moment. < 1462426086 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm gregor isn't even online now < 1462426100 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :good thing too < 1462426104 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently oerjan has a thing about presents < 1462426163 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. also my priority queue more resembles a stack. < 1462426185 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i'm not objecting to the timing < 1462426199 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :just saying that you were unhappy at one time < 1462426211 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe obligated to act unhappy, it's not clear < 1462426223 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's never clear < 1462426227 0 :scriptobot!~ircbot@tx-76-1-74-129.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1462426229 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :going to a talk by wadler tomorrow < 1462426240 0 :Moon-!4c014a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :&whoami < 1462426240 0 :scriptobot!~ircbot@tx-76-1-74-129.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Moon- is 4c014a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.129 < 1462426250 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :scriptobot: and who are you? < 1462426257 0 :Moon-!4c014a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay! :p < 1462426257 0 :Moon-!4c014a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mine < 1462426257 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: make sure to criticize his lexical comment syntax < 1462426272 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Moon-: the joke was that i started my sentence with "and" hth < 1462426320 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :for want of a nail, the joke was lost < 1462426432 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :for want of a nale, the sabine was lost < 1462426446 0 :Moon-!4c014a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :&ping < 1462426458 0 :scriptobot!~ircbot@tx-76-1-74-129.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1462426472 0 :scriptobot!~ircbot@tx-76-1-74-129.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1462426474 0 :Moon-!4c014a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :&ping < 1462426486 0 :Moon-!4c014a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1462426513 0 :Moon-!4c014a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :.. < 1462426536 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :so how often do they hold the elections for king of norway < 1462426541 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should run next time < 1462426559 0 :Moon-!4c014a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :&ping < 1462426571 0 :Moon-!4c014a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :&whoami < 1462426572 0 :scriptobot!~ircbot@tx-76-1-74-129.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Moon- is 4c014a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.129 < 1462426577 0 :Moon-!4c014a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1462426592 0 :scriptobot!~ircbot@tx-76-1-74-129.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1462426615 0 :scriptobot!~ircbot@tx-76-1-74-129.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1462426618 0 :Moon-!4c014a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :&ping < 1462426629 0 :Moon-!4c014a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :........... < 1462427829 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i'm not sure if there's ever been one hth < 1462427846 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh man < 1462427851 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :how's the current one doing in the polls < 1462427859 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i don't think so. the current king is like ridiculously hard-working. < 1462427873 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, pretty good. < 1462427877 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like a good contrast < 1462427887 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't be like him if you want to defeat him < 1462427935 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1462427967 0 :Moon-!4c014a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually.. < 1462427989 0 :Moon-!4c014a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what would be a good way to set up a shell bot? < 1462427994 0 :Moon-!4c014a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like hackego < 1462428083 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :carefully hth < 1462428106 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :even Gregor's bots have security flaws. < 1462428120 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although mostly because he's never around to fix them. < 1462428134 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Gregor being HackEgo's writer) < 1462429932 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1462430231 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1462430434 0 :Akaibu!uid118096@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-shooijzbpexsdzoa JOIN :#esoteric < 1462430474 0 :Moon-!4c014a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.129 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1462430802 0 :centrinia!~centrinia@107-208-218-105.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1462431187 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@vps.jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1462431693 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1462431758 0 :Moon__!4c014a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.129 JOIN :#esoteric < 1462431935 0 :centrinia!~centrinia@107-208-218-105.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1462431951 0 :centrinia!~centrinia@107-208-218-105.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1462432265 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION once shot a man in reno, for all wondering
< 1462432273 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`shootamaninreno < 1462432290 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo? < 1462432293 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: shootamaninreno: not found < 1462433184 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? hppavilion[1] < 1462433190 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1] se describe en las notas al pie. ¿Porqué no los dos? Nadie lo sabe. < 1462433199 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? hppavilion < 1462433201 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion is the generator including, but not limited to, hppavilion[1], hppavilion[2], and hppavilion[42]. hppavilion is of length 37-42i-28j+4k-28ij+38ik+62jk+20ijk < 1462433219 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1462434565 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh, what's-her-name's ring of water breathing protects against the cold < 1462434572 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: so now she's going to freeze to death or something? < 1462434618 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i thought of that. hopefully they can switch quickly enough. < 1462434658 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess she could also take the cloak < 1462434802 0 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1462434920 0 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1462435644 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1462435893 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1462437614 0 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly JOIN :#esoteric < 1462438268 0 :Akaibu!uid118096@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-shooijzbpexsdzoa QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1462439625 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@2a02:1811:d22:cc00:2d4b:e420:6da4:109b JOIN :#esoteric < 1462440094 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I honestly thought both of thems were dudes for this whole time. < 1462440126 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa whoa whoa, fizzolist? < 1462440143 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, except I use the feed. < 1462440161 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you use the feed how come you never notify the rest of us < 1462440170 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I've done it twice. < 1462440222 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, three (3) times, for 956, 958 and 960. < 1462440262 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i,i three (4) times < 1462440284 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I usually read these things in the train, and it's inconvenient to come here and `olist, and by the time I'm wherever I'm going, I've already forgotten. < 1462440323 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Train IRC is inconvenient? < 1462440327 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: it seems that sorear has been programming a more direct logic search in that Laconic language < 1462440335 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cale: ^ < 1462440345 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa, sorear < 1462440379 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's posting comments about it on aaronson's blog < 1462440385 0 :Cale!~Cale@2607:fea8:9840:1d5:4cc2:c057:cd43:d8a PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool, so we might get even smaller state counts :D < 1462440409 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder why he scrapped IRC. If he did. < 1462440440 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i haven't seen them give a count of the states yet. (his version used nullary functions which aren't supported by the Laconic -> TM compiler) < 1462440461 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: oh he has? < 1462440475 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wouldn't know since he scrapped #haskell >:/
< 1462440489 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*did < 1462440551 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :By that nick, at least. < 1462440558 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: and also probably has lots of bugs < 1462440613 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: yeah he mentioned some bugs. i'm only on comment #57. < 1462440623 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that thread grew fast) < 1462440994 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :next comment mentions unlambda and brainfuck < 1462442251 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If this indeed works, then Adam predicts that it will indeed lead to a TM with fewer states than what you get from Friedman’s statement — he says your program is about as complicated as his program for the Riemann hypothesis, which suggests that we might get under 6000 states." < 1462442279 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cale: that looks good < 1462442303 0 :Cale!~Cale@2607:fea8:9840:1d5:4cc2:c057:cd43:d8a PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1462442818 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1462442828 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: one problem with these sorts of programs is that they're hard to debug < 1462442864 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to add lots of debug code (in the program definitely, possibly also into the compiler too) to check that the program behaves like you want < 1462447543 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1462448652 0 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-194-61.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1462449027 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@massages-loud < 1462449027 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1] said 14h 19m 11s ago: F24DBA5FB0A30E26E83B2AC5B9E29E1B161E5C1FA7425E73043362938B9824chaf <-- beat THAT! < 1462449097 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell hppavilion[1] you deserve a mapole thwack for that outrageous pun hth < 1462449097 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1462449111 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell hppavilion[1] (pretty creative, though) < 1462449111 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1462449281 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's too long for sha1, too short for sha256... < 1462449385 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and google hasn't seen that hex number either < 1462449515 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-ello. maybe it's SHA-224? < 1462449618 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask hppavilion[1] which was the actual hash you hashachafed shachaf with? < 1462449618 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1462450158 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1462450472 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1462450633 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: it would have to be sha-248 < 1462450834 0 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@2001:999:32:aca:214c:fa90:af83:8ed6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1462450848 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: JOKER CHICKEN < 1462451110 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was alleged to be SHA-256. < 1462451118 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe a byte got lost. < 1462451142 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe it's behind the chaf. < 1462451519 0 :nrdhm!~nrdhm@188.162.245.172 JOIN :#esoteric < 1462451633 0 :Akaibu!uid118096@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oltzzcwwgssfetjk JOIN :#esoteric < 1462451706 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :or inside... it's 3/4 hexadecimal after all < 1462451952 0 :ybden!~ybden@unaffiliated/ybden JOIN :#esoteric < 1462452651 0 :nrdhm!~nrdhm@188.162.245.172 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1462454063 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1462454395 0 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@2001:999:32:aca:214c:fa90:af83:8ed6 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1462454420 0 :Moon__!4c014a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.129 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1462454454 0 :scriptobot!~ircbot@tx-76-1-74-129.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1462454645 0 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@2001:999:32:505:485a:9fa9:527a:82b2 JOIN :#esoteric < 1462454925 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1462455196 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Occular 5* 10New user account < 1462456052 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Nullary14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=46925 5* 03Occular 5* (+926) 10Created page with "[[Nullary]] is a [[No-code]] esolang created by [[occular]]. == History == The language was conceived in May 2016, as a possible answer to the question "What would be next s..." < 1462456076 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Nullary14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46926&oldid=46925 5* 03Occular 5* (+0) 10 < 1462456112 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Nullary14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46927&oldid=46926 5* 03Occular 5* (+4) 10 < 1462456127 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Nullary14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46928&oldid=46927 5* 03Occular 5* (+8) 10 < 1462456173 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Nullary14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46929&oldid=46928 5* 03Occular 5* (-24) 10 < 1462456216 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07No-code esolang14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=46930 5* 03Occular 5* (+113) 10Created page with "A no-code esolang either ignores or actively refuses any sort of input to the language interpreter or executable." < 1462456240 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07No-code esolang14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46931&oldid=46930 5* 03Occular 5* (+5) 10 < 1462456378 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Joke language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46932&oldid=46832 5* 03Occular 5* (+111) 10 < 1462456523 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Joke language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46933&oldid=46932 5* 03Occular 5* (+82) 10 < 1462456552 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Hipster14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=46934 5* 03Occular 5* (+129) 10Created page with "== Description == What, you don't already know about the definition of Hipster? Get out of here. You're a joke. Get off my lawn." < 1462456578 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Hipster14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46935&oldid=46934 5* 03Occular 5* (+39) 10 < 1462456648 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Hipster14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46936&oldid=46935 5* 03Occular 5* (-8) 10 < 1462456756 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Hipster14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46937&oldid=46936 5* 03Occular 5* (+4) 10 < 1462456805 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Hipster14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46938&oldid=46937 5* 03Occular 5* (+42) 10 < 1462456896 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Nullary14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46939&oldid=46929 5* 03Occular 5* (+27) 10 < 1462456921 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Nullary14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46940&oldid=46939 5* 03Occular 5* (+1) 10 < 1462456971 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1462457067 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Nullary14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46941&oldid=46940 5* 03Occular 5* (+217) 10 < 1462457192 0 :coppro!~scshunt@corn-syrup.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION requests an invitation to use IBM's quantum computer
< 1462457201 0 :coppro!~scshunt@corn-syrup.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably should have name-dropped IQC, actually < 1462458126 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Joke language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46942&oldid=46933 5* 03Occular 5* (+106) 10 < 1462458443 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Shatner14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=46943 5* 03Occular 5* (+1455) 10Created page with "Shatner is an [[esolang]] created by [[occular]]. == History == The language was conceived in May 2016, as a possible answer to the question "How could I embody the spirit o..." < 1462458925 0 :nrdhm!~nrdhm@188.162.245.16 JOIN :#esoteric < 1462459098 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1462459105 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Shatner14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46944&oldid=46943 5* 03Occular 5* (+36) 10 < 1462459125 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Shatner14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46945&oldid=46944 5* 03Occular 5* (+1) 10 < 1462459163 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :new record for the smallest program whose halting problem is provably undecidable under ZFC (it's a Turing machine with 7918 states and two symbols, that starts from a blank tape) < 1462459179 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Shatner14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46946&oldid=46945 5* 03Occular 5* (+49) 10 < 1462459393 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(source: http://www.scottaaronson.com/blog/?p=2725) < 1462459466 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1462459619 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1462459713 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1462460153 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@oeis 1 6 21 107 < 1462460155 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Busy Beaver problem: a(n) = maximal number of steps that an n-state Turing m... < 1462460184 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the joke is that the fifth element isn't known; all we have is a lower bound, which is 47176870 < 1462460185 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1462460274 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :interestingly, the sequence appears to be unique in OEIS despite being only four elements long < 1462460448 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe QUIT :Quit: Hugs~ <3 < 1462460532 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe JOIN :#esoteric < 1462460665 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Occular14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=46947 5* 03Occular 5* (+84) 10Created page with "Occular designed the following languages: * [[Nullary]] * [[Shatner]] * [[Hipster]]" < 1462460679 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Occular14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46948&oldid=46947 5* 03Occular 5* (-2) 10 < 1462461531 0 :spiette!~spiette@x-132-204-251-254.xtpr.umontreal.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1462462002 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello, ais < 1462462040 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: and yes, we were talking about that new Busy Beaver article on the channel. I think you're the third who brought it up independently. < 1462462054 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I guessed you'd be interested < 1462462056 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it is clearly ontopic < 1462462068 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: sure, I already added one of the languages used to the wiki < 1462462070 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :given that it mentions brainfuck and lambda independently, also me < 1462462080 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(indirectly) < 1462462090 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the comments have sort-of collapsed into Turing Machine golf < 1462462091 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which I approve of < 1462462138 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, but I'm a bit afraid they'll all just write untested code and not bother to properly test that it works. testing in this case isn't easy, it needs lots of extra debug code in the source code, and possibly some debug stuff in the compiler or interpreter. < 1462462158 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1462462171 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least with a goldbach conjecture counterexample search, which most of the golfing is focusing on < 1462462176 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's relatively easy to check whether it's working by hand < 1462463754 0 :nrdhm!~nrdhm@188.162.245.16 QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1462463780 0 :nrdhm!~nrdhm@188.162.245.16 JOIN :#esoteric < 1462464669 0 :Akaibu!uid118096@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oltzzcwwgssfetjk QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1462464915 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1462465170 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1462465359 0 :^v!~v^@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1462465432 0 :^v!~v^@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1462465494 0 :nrdhm!~nrdhm@188.162.245.16 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1462465506 0 :atriq!?@? NICK :Taneb < 1462466198 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:feff:ff:fe00:316b PRIVMSG #esoteric :After a short break, I am back on IRC < 1462466262 0 :Reece`!~Ner@cpc4-wiga13-2-0-cust799.18-3.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1462466311 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Shatner14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46949&oldid=46946 5* 03Occular 5* (+5) 10 < 1462466331 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Occular14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46950&oldid=46948 5* 03Occular 5* (-82) 10Blanked the page < 1462466346 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Occular14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=46951 5* 03Occular 5* (+82) 10Created page with "AlexH designed the following languages: * [[Nullary]] * [[Shatner]] * [[Hipster]]" < 1462466355 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Nullary14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46952&oldid=46941 5* 03Occular 5* (+5) 10 < 1462466422 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@vps.jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1462469417 0 :Kaynato!~Aedile@cpe-75-187-129-201.neo.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1462469433 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1462469595 0 :Akaibu!uid118096@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zhjxvwmgnrkwgtre JOIN :#esoteric < 1462469694 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1462470309 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@vps.jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1462470421 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-91.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1462471249 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-91.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1462471316 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-91.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1462471675 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-91.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Huh. cpressy favourited the repo with that language (laconic, iirc) in it < 1462472132 0 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@91.219.247.213 JOIN :#esoteric < 1462472692 0 :jefrite!~jefrite@li394-234.members.linode.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1462472899 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-91.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1462473106 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-91.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1462473324 0 :centrinia!~centrinia@107-208-218-105.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1462473361 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-91.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1462473919 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-91.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1462474252 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-91.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1462474336 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is c++ string missing search and replace? < 1462474361 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: because it's hard to implement efficiently < 1462474389 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and C and C++ tend to avoid making expensive operations easy to use, so as to prevent people using them by mistake < 1462474437 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-91.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1462474504 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well thats partially why my company has its own string and array classes < 1462474586 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :poor standard libraries hinder interoperability by encouraging nih < 1462474727 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :now we have to write conversions between n different string classes < 1462474802 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so why can't you write a search and replace /function/ that operates on std::strings? < 1462474808 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than needing it to be a message? < 1462474811 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*a method < 1462474851 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1462475007 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure but i think the string class we have is also unicode aware and threadsafe... < 1462475016 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unicode aware makes sense < 1462475034 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :threadsafe may or may not make sense depending on what you're doing, general-purpose threadsafety comes at quite a large performance cost < 1462475344 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if the fact we compile everythong as c++ 98 has anything to do with it < 1462475750 0 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Quit: brb < 1462475817 0 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-145-031.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1462475822 0 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-092-072-145-031.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1462475847 0 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-145-031.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1462475925 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-91.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages-lud < 1462475925 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily said 7h 27m 7s ago: you deserve a mapole thwack for that outrageous pun hth < 1462475925 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily said 7h 26m 53s ago: (pretty creative, though) < 1462475925 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily asked 7h 18m 27s ago: which was the actual hash you hashachafed shachaf with? < 1462475992 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-91.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell boily Just break it if you want to know < 1462475992 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1462476356 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-91.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm... < 1462476382 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-91.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :An image-based language where lossy compression doesn't completely ruin the program < 1462476661 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-91.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1462476829 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-91.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1462476931 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1462477429 0 :centrinia!~centrinia@107-208-218-105.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1462477571 0 :mtve!~mtve@10130.x.rootbsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :plz allow me a bit of promotion - http://conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=576&p=30646#p30646 < 1462478129 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@vps.jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1462478707 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-91.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1462479018 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-91.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1462479794 0 :notfowl!fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you want to scrutinize fowltalk? Tell me about how feather is way better etc https://bitbucket.org/fowlmouth/idk < 1462479846 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have any docs? < 1462479857 0 :notfowl!fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :None < 1462479858 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't relaly figure out what's going on from code if it's spread over that many files < 1462479926 0 :notfowl!fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :The VM is in interp.hpp < 1462480181 0 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1462480600 0 :Reece`!~Ner@cpc4-wiga13-2-0-cust799.18-3.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Quit: Alsithyafturttararfunar < 1462480764 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@vps.jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1462480953 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1462481816 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :notfowl: I still can't figure out what's going on, but it at least doesn't look anything like Feather < 1462481831 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in general, that project isn't in a state that you can really show to other people yet < 1462481939 0 :notfowl!fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't written any docs and comments are equally sparse yes < 1462482933 0 :Kaynato!~Aedile@cpe-75-187-129-201.neo.res.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1462483621 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-91.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Making a language with self-modifying syntax... < 1462483662 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-91.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :For golfing purposes < 1462483667 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-91.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Advanced Golfing < 1462483705 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-91.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of the things that disappoints me in code golf is that all challenges are simple; I'd like to see codegolf with a challenge for a BIG thing, the kind of program that can't be in <100 characters in any modern languages < 1462483727 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-91.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then we'd have people making GolfScript extensions with GUI and such < 1462483731 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-91.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I'd be happy < 1462483792 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-91.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm... < 1462483925 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1462484086 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-91.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1462484125 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've done HTTP as a one-liner in bash, so... :) < 1462484217 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1462484350 0 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1462485209 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, how long wat the line though < 1462485264 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hantom_Hoover < 1462485310 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :haf < 1462485322 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think about 100 bytes; I'd have to find it to be sure though. < 1462485768 0 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@82.144.205.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1462486437 0 :moon_!4c014a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.129 JOIN :#esoteric < 1462486441 0 :moon_!4c014a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hia < 1462487198 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@oeis 3035583 < 1462487198 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Sequence not found. < 1462487207 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a pity < 1462487228 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of these Internet standards are qutie simple < 1462487231 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(hi moon_ btw) < 1462487249 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so HTTP as a bash oneliner is reasonable, it'd basically just be a case of parsing the URL and fitting it into a minimal request template, wouldn't it? < 1462487268 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :trying to handle things like redirects correctly (which would be needed to be spec-compliant) would probably make it somewhat longer though < 1462487308 0 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@82.144.205.57 QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1462487940 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a day < 1462488961 0 :shikhin!?@? NICK :vehk < 1462488964 0 :vehk!?@? NICK :shikhin < 1462489168 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1462489347 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-92.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1462489357 0 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1462489592 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the next version of neoletters will include non breaking snake characters < 1462489991 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1462490138 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-92.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is the most complicated, bloated machine we could make < 1462490145 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-92.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: Good, I asked you if you were going to do that < 1462490160 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-92.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That we can still get away with calling a "Calculator" < 1462490173 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-92.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in opposition to a "computer") < 1462490399 0 :idolbot!~supybot@tx-76-1-74-129.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1462490405 0 :moon_!4c014a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, it online < 1462490421 0 :moon_!4c014a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :$help < 1462490422 0 :idolbot!~supybot@tx-76-1-74-129.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :moon_: (help [] []) -- This command gives a useful description of what does. is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin. < 1462490435 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-92.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :moon_: Everybody can make their IRC bots work but me xD < 1462490440 0 :moon_!4c014a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ill set it up in the backround < 1462490441 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-92.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :$hi < 1462490441 0 :idolbot!~supybot@tx-76-1-74-129.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: Error: "hi" is not a valid command. < 1462490442 0 :moon_!4c014a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1462490445 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-92.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :$test < 1462490445 0 :idolbot!~supybot@tx-76-1-74-129.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: Error: "test" is not a valid command. < 1462490447 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-92.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO FAST < 1462490449 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-92.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO HAPPY < 1462490452 0 :moon_!4c014a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1462490453 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-92.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :$kill < 1462490454 0 :idolbot!~supybot@tx-76-1-74-129.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: Error: "kill" is not a valid command. < 1462490457 0 :moon_!4c014a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1462490457 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-92.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :$hi < 1462490457 0 :idolbot!~supybot@tx-76-1-74-129.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: Error: "hi" is not a valid command. < 1462490463 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-92.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :$crush < 1462490463 0 :idolbot!~supybot@tx-76-1-74-129.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: Error: "crush" is not a valid command. < 1462490464 0 :moon_!4c014a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :$commands < 1462490465 0 :idolbot!~supybot@tx-76-1-74-129.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :moon_: Error: "commands" is not a valid command. < 1462490465 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-92.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :$kill < 1462490467 0 :idolbot!~supybot@tx-76-1-74-129.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: You've given me 5 invalid commands within the last minute; I'm now ignoring you for 10 minutes. < 1462490467 0 :moon_!4c014a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :$command < 1462490468 0 :Akaibu!uid118096@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zhjxvwmgnrkwgtre QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1462490469 0 :idolbot!~supybot@tx-76-1-74-129.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :moon_: Error: "command" is not a valid command. < 1462490470 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-92.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :$destroy < 1462490478 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-92.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1462490479 0 :moon_!4c014a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1462490481 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-92.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :moon_: srsly. < 1462490496 0 :moon_!4c014a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didnt write the whole thing :P < 1462490502 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-92.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :moon_: Did you make idolbot, or is it something from GitH- Ah, OK < 1462490505 0 :moon_!4c014a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i never added that one < 1462490549 0 :moon_!4c014a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its github, i wrote in some code to patch some problems < 1462490556 0 :moon_!4c014a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :im too lazy to make one myself < 1462490560 0 :moon_!4c014a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :im working on it still < 1462490664 0 :moon_!4c014a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :$unignore < 1462490665 0 :idolbot!~supybot@tx-76-1-74-129.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :moon_: Error: "unignore" is not a valid command. < 1462490671 0 :moon_!4c014a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1462490676 0 :moon_!4c014a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ill edit out the ignore thing < 1462490691 0 :moon_!4c014a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :$exit < 1462490691 0 :idolbot!~supybot@tx-76-1-74-129.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :moon_: Error: "exit" is not a valid command. < 1462490695 0 :moon_!4c014a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :$end < 1462490696 0 :idolbot!~supybot@tx-76-1-74-129.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :moon_: Error: "end" is not a valid command. < 1462490704 0 :idolbot!~supybot@tx-76-1-74-129.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Quit: Ctrl-C at console. < 1462490992 0 :ybden!?@? NICK :FireFal < 1462491072 0 :FireFal!?@? NICK :ybden < 1462491186 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-92.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shift, Control, Alt, Super, Mega, Ultima, Uber, Meta, Escape, AltGr, F[1-9a-fA-F], Fn, Hm... < 1462491202 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-92.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Imagine a computer where the keyboard literally translated to ASM instructions at runtime... < 1462491233 0 :moon_!4c014a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1462491252 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-92.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :moon_: Not lol < 1462491257 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-92.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :moon_: Actual serious business < 1462491262 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I want to know what sort of keyboard has an Ultima modifier < 1462491268 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], https://github.com/yrp604/rappel < 1462491327 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-92.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: The Doctor Keyboard? < 1462491331 0 :moon_!4c014a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, hppa, im basically using this bot as a framework to build a good one off of < 1462491382 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-92.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Not quite < 1462491403 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-92.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: In this, key (combinations) would literally map directly to short ASM macro blocks < 1462491419 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@2a02:1811:d22:cc00:2d4b:e420:6da4:109b QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in < 1462491453 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], explain how you think this would work < 1462491458 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-92.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ctrl, alt, fn, shift, and the arrow keys map to a second byte that modifies the first byte) < 1462491481 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :(starting with why you think assembly is ever executed by anything) < 1462491496 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-92.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Well obviously, it wouldn't be executing assembly < 1462491500 0 :moon_!4c014a81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :first off, brainfuck interpreter < 1462491502 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-92.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: But I'm talking from the programmer POV < 1462491533 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-92.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Well, the OS, on boot, generates a table in RAM that holds pointers to short executables < 1462491535 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are 'short ASM macro blocks' < 1462491544 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`coins < 1462491549 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-92.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Yeah, that wasn't the best phrasing < 1462491560 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-92.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: "macro" as in keyboard macro, I guess < 1462491567 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about just having alt/meta toggle bit 7, ctrl toggle bit 6, shift toggle bit 5 < 1462491568 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-92.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: "block" as in "block of code" < 1462491584 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like this approach because it is temptingly similar to the way ASCII actually works, yet different enough to throw you if you try to use it in practice < 1462491589 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :so a system where code is executed in response to user input? < 1462491590 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-92.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Because there are more than 64 keys, IIRC? < 1462491595 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-92.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: ...yes? < 1462491603 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: right, there are some duplicates if you use that system < 1462491604 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-92.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You hit a key and it directly executes a program < 1462491614 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1462491614 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :however you will also need keys for triggering inputs and the like < 1462491617 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*interrupts < 1462491623 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-92.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: (or key combination, in theory) < 1462491632 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :lik ais523 is probably trying to explain, you can't actually do that < 1462491633 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo: what! < 1462491635 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`coins < 1462491638 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-92.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Why not? < 1462491656 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need pretty sophisticated code to actually read from the keyboard < 1462491662 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-92.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Yes, I know < 1462491671 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well if you're being really eso < 1462491681 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :suppose you have a CPU that can handle dc on the clock line < 1462491683 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-92.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I know firsthand how much of a PITA keyboard input is < 1462491686 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1462491686 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(most modern ones can't but there are ones that can) < 1462491697 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-92.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: This is specifically for an esoteric processor or emulator < 1462491703 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you take the keyboard controller input, and intentionally misconnect it to the clock line rather than the interrupt controller < 1462491711 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well you could do the SNES code injection thing where you jump into a DMA input buffer < 1462491720 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: that was my first thought < 1462491723 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-92.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the best part is that it's a state machine; hitting "a" might update the jump table < 1462491724 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but manual clocking is funnier < 1462491726 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :but obviously that doesn't work on any system that doesn't use DMA input buffers < 1462491748 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-92.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or, more accurately, change the pointer to the jump table) < 1462491767 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], it seems like it'd be very easy to just implement a non-eso system on top of this < 1462491772 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-92.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Yes < 1462491781 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-92.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: But it'd also be easy to implement an eso system on top of it < 1462491791 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually you might want to look at skullcode < 1462491808 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :unwinding the way it does I/O has been, uh, interesting < 1462491830 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-92.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I don't get it < 1462491841 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-92.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Oh, that's the point < 1462491857 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you know what skullcode actually is < 1462491882 0 :cripotos!b2c5ea95@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.234.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1462491884 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, apparnetly underclocking is a thing < 1462491888 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just like overclocking is < 1462491891 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I went and looked it up < 1462491894 0 :cripotos!b2c5ea95@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.234.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hei < 1462491900 0 :cripotos!b2c5ea95@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.234.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you all americanos < 1462491909 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :cripotos, no < 1462491919 0 :cripotos!b2c5ea95@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.234.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :versteht ihr deutsch? < 1462491924 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :but we do mostly speak english < 1462491945 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, mostly used for badly-written old software that's tied to the clock speed, right? < 1462491947 0 :cripotos!b2c5ea95@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.234.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :seid ihr europäer? < 1462491949 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I wonder how many guesses it would take to guess which country Phantom_Hoover is from, with the knowledge that English is a native language for him < 1462491970 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a trivial binary search obv. < 1462491971 0 :cripotos!b2c5ea95@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.234.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :english is a simple language < 1462491978 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: apparently it's mostly used for extending laptop battery life, and to reduce heat dissipation < 1462492001 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: What about me? I'm told that English is the first language I spoke. < 1462492025 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :well your name's a pretty big clue < 1462492028 0 :cripotos!b2c5ea95@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.234.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :seid ihr alles esoteriker? < 1462492065 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: so's yours hth < 1462492094 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in how many countries is "hoover" the standard name for a vacuum cleaner? < 1462492105 0 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@74-114-87-92.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1462492109 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never heard it used in this country. < 1462492117 0 :cripotos!b2c5ea95@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.234.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :only in USA < 1462492127 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, that's me pinned down < 1462492128 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the one I'm talking about. Never heard it. < 1462492145 0 :cripotos!b2c5ea95@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.234.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in europe the synoym of vacuum cleaner is dyson < 1462492157 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1462492160 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, in europe everyone calls a dyson a vacuum < 1462492165 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, a vacuum a dyson < 1462492167 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, so this website tried to run a 1 GHz CPU at 100 MHz and it failed, but 600 MHz succeeded < 1462492184 0 :cripotos!b2c5ea95@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.234.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hoover is a to old brand < 1462492188 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this disappoints the electronic engineer in me < 1462492196 0 :cripotos!b2c5ea95@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.234.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :from the 1920ies < 1462492196 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :despite dyson only entering the vacuum cleaner market in the 90s < 1462492201 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm guessing it's somehow related to DRAM/capacitors < 1462492210 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :cripotos, are you trolling or are you actually this dense < 1462492223 0 :cripotos!b2c5ea95@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.234.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am a free mind < 1462492235 0 :cripotos!b2c5ea95@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.234.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i only löl a little bit < 1462492243 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :would you described yourself as locked or unlocked from the matrix of solidity < 1462492252 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`willkommen cripotos < 1462492255 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cripotos: Willkommen beim internationalen Zentrum für das Design und die Implementierung esoterischer Programmiersprachen! Für weitere Informationen besuchen Sie das Wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (Für andere Arten der Esoterik gibt es #esoteric auf EFnet oder DALnet.) < 1462492259 0 :cripotos!b2c5ea95@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.234.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the matrix does not exist < 1462492280 0 :cripotos!b2c5ea95@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.234.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i beliebe in the theories of rudolf steiner < 1462492281 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :bold statements on the fringe of matrix theory here < 1462492284 0 :cripotos!b2c5ea95@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.234.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :believe < 1462492312 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what interesting properties do matrices of imaginary numbers have? < 1462492314 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my guess is not many < 1462492323 0 :cripotos!b2c5ea95@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.234.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the athroposophic super hero < 1462492329 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 are you trolling now as well < 1462492329 0 :cripotos!b2c5ea95@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.234.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rudolf steiner < 1462492338 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"At the beginning of the twentieth century, he founded an esoteric spiritual movement, anthroposophy..." < 1462492341 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not being closed under multiplication is something of a dealbreaker < 1462492344 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: it can be hard to tell < 1462492349 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :cripotos: you have the wrong channel. < 1462492353 0 :cripotos!b2c5ea95@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.234.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bingo int e < 1462492353 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh you mean imaginary as in a*i < 1462492358 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: yes < 1462492361 0 :cripotos!b2c5ea95@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.234.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats right < 1462492364 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there aren't many other sorts of imaginary numbers < 1462492395 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :cripotos, you ever read anything by michael kirkbride < 1462492415 0 :cripotos!b2c5ea95@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.234.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :michael jackson? < 1462492417 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well you sort of assume people actually mean 'complex' because the pure imaginaries are quite pointless < 1462492432 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :cripotos, well did you ever read anything by michael jackson? < 1462492434 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: i haven't read anything by banks yet < 1462492435 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1462492450 0 :cripotos!b2c5ea95@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.234.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1462492450 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, oh come on you've had plenty of time < 1462492450 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: how could they be pointless when there's a whole line of them... < 1462492458 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1462492462 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've read some other books, though < 1462492469 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i still don't know which banks book to read < 1462492481 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you name one book i'll put it on my to-order list < 1462492488 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :player of games first < 1462492489 0 :cripotos!b2c5ea95@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.234.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you from saudi arabia < 1462492497 0 :cripotos!b2c5ea95@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.234.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sharaf al ashraf? < 1462492500 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :use of weapons second, and it's the best in the series < 1462492521 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :cripotos, i'll only tell you if you divulge the methods by which you made the guess < 1462492531 0 :spiette!~spiette@x-132-204-251-254.xtpr.umontreal.ca QUIT :Quit: :qa! < 1462492551 0 :cripotos!b2c5ea95@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.234.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i search german speaking slumber mothersa < 1462492557 0 :cripotos!b2c5ea95@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.234.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :schlummtermutter < 1462492561 0 :cripotos!b2c5ea95@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.234.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :moderne hexen < 1462492594 0 :cripotos!b2c5ea95@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.234.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you all europeans? < 1462492601 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I'm going to take a guess and say that cripotos is from Switzerland < 1462492611 0 :cripotos!b2c5ea95@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.234.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aah ais < 1462492613 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: what about consider phlebas < 1462492618 0 :cripotos!b2c5ea95@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.234.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have special fähigkeiten < 1462492624 0 :cripotos!b2c5ea95@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.234.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know me? < 1462492629 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :consider phlebas is kind of weird and not representative of the series < 1462492634 0 :cripotos!b2c5ea95@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.234.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you Tara? < 1462492640 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not European, personally. < 1462492641 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cripotos: actually no, I checked what timezone you were in and geolocated your IP < 1462492646 0 :cripotos!b2c5ea95@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.234.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the reincarnation of Tara? < 1462492652 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :trying to guess the city like that is fraught with confusion < 1462492657 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can make a good guess as to the country < 1462492677 0 :cripotos!b2c5ea95@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.234.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the city i wohn < 1462492682 0 :cripotos!b2c5ea95@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.234.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is a small city < 1462492688 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody cares < 1462492690 0 :cripotos!b2c5ea95@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.234.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :medieval city < 1462492718 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: help! < 1462492719 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: summer fun deal." ?utilities routinely, these " black-outs" occur around the world properties. la fragmentation and increase the price. < 1462492721 0 :cripotos!b2c5ea95@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.234.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with history < 1462492724 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously, though, this conversation is all well and good, but you're in the wrong channel and it's offtopic < 1462492744 0 :cripotos!b2c5ea95@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.234.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :who reach bis to the römerzeit < 1462492746 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you're probably better off going to a more appropriate channel (we suggested some in the welcome message) < 1462492791 0 :cripotos!b2c5ea95@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.234.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :turkey is a dangerous country < 1462492795 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric