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00:00:25 <shachaf> or is it your perception that's limited
00:00:41 <shachaf> four simultaneous expansions in a single rotation of the glob
00:03:30 <hppavilion[2]> Phantom_Hoover: Yes
00:03:52 <Phantom_Hoover> rm -rf /* is IDIOT LIES
00:04:16 <hppavilion[2]> Phantom_Hoover: It would match glob or some extension thereof, and it would replace the matched globbiness with something else. I'm asking if there's a common syntax for that something else.
00:04:21 <hppavilion[2]> If there isn't, I have work to do
00:05:01 <hppavilion[2]> Phantom_Hoover: I don't want a more powerful glob, I want to reapply glob to other domains of use
00:05:59 <Phantom_Hoover> you asked me what traditional variants on globs can do and i told you, not much!
00:06:29 <hppavilion[2]> Phantom_Hoover: Ah
00:08:38 <shachaf> tromp: I guess your encoding isn't what I wrote.
00:09:24 <shachaf> You do (\x -> (\y -> ...x...y...) yexpr) xexpr
00:09:35 <shachaf> Which makes a lot more snese in retrospect.
00:09:59 <Phantom_Hoover> it doesn't make snes to me
00:10:15 <shachaf> I meant famicom, of course.
00:14:25 <quintopia> it makes zero famicom to me: i cant lambda
00:20:20 <tromp> right; shachaf; your example cannot result from let expansion
00:20:57 <shachaf> Fair enough.
00:28:55 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[N--]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46997&oldid=46996 * Moon * (+16)
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01:23:22 <Moon_> Anyone wana try writeing something in N--?
01:24:32 <tromp> where's the N-- tutorial?
01:25:45 <Moon_> Its a stub still: http://esolangs.org/wiki/N--
01:25:54 <Moon_> Unqiue language i beleive
01:28:04 <Moon_> Like the concept tromp?
01:28:14 <tromp> sorry, not really:(
01:28:23 <Moon_> Oh
01:28:26 <Moon_> I like it :P
01:28:35 <Moon_> Because Nand is universal
01:28:36 <tromp> enough to write an interpreter for it?
01:28:43 <Moon_> No
01:28:52 <Moon_> Im going to make a intepreter later
01:29:19 <tromp> a language should be able to handle input:)
01:29:25 <Moon_> Eh true
01:29:30 <Moon_> I might change that
01:29:36 <Moon_> But the timing would have to be good
01:29:45 <Moon_> as io would be single char buffers
01:29:52 <tromp> what is nand 'H' 'e' ?
01:30:28 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[N--]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46998&oldid=46997 * Moon * (+41)
01:30:41 <tromp> your sample is no good at demonstrating all your language features
01:30:50 <Moon_> Its a hello world :P
01:31:03 <Moon_> im gonna make more
01:32:26 <\oren\> https://youtu.be/GaRJMCpoVFg
01:32:33 <Moon_> Naa:ab:acNac:1:ad is a and gate
01:32:55 <Moon_> aa and ab are input, ad is out
01:33:00 <Moon_> ac is intermediate
01:34:11 <tromp> N-- is more of a hardware description language than a programming language:)
01:34:33 <Moon_> Lol true
01:34:39 <Moon_> But it is designed to be intepreted
01:35:04 <Moon_> Making it Esoteric :P
01:38:13 <tromp> it's somewhat lacking in elegance thought:(
01:38:17 <tromp> though
01:38:27 <tromp> to put it mildly:)
01:39:01 <Moon_> i was aiming for uniqueness in this case
01:47:34 <quintopia> hi
01:49:19 <Moon_> Hia quin, im writing an intepreter for N--
01:49:26 <quintopia> oh good
01:49:49 <quintopia> next you could write a N-- to Purple compiler ;)
01:50:36 <Moon_> ?
01:50:57 <Moon_> Bit hard :P
01:51:11 <Moon_> N-- is based on universal logic gates, jumps, and variables
01:51:12 <Moon_> thats it
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01:51:16 <Moon_> hia hppa
01:51:25 <Moon_> Im making a interpreter for N--
01:51:30 <quintopia> Purple is based on decrementation and assignment
01:51:34 <quintopia> both are turing-complete
01:51:41 <quintopia> should be possible to translate between
01:52:31 <Moon_> I dont think N-- is turing complete, it cant do turing tapes
01:52:43 <Moon_> due to a max of 676 (aa to zz) variables
01:53:00 <Moon_> A bf inplentation would use most of them
01:53:40 <coppro> it can store arbitrarily large numbers though
01:53:46 <coppro> my concern is that it can't do unbounded addition
01:53:54 <Moon_> i dont know.
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01:54:02 <coppro> your only operator is nand
01:54:08 <Moon_> Mhm
01:54:17 <Moon_> Nand is a universal logic gate
01:54:21 <coppro> so you have no way to set any bit higher than the highest bit set by any constant assignment
01:54:48 <coppro> not in this context
01:55:06 <coppro> you can never Nand the first bit of one variable with the second, say, of another
01:55:45 <Moon_> n-- may be useless but its intresting
01:56:26 <coppro> I think it would be TC if you added a "left-shift 1" or "increment by 1" operator
01:56:43 <Moon_> Ah, kk
01:57:00 <Moon_> Think about it and i may add it :P
01:57:35 <coppro> the finite number of variables does not prevent a language from being TC as long as they can have unbounded value
01:57:45 <coppro> BF, for instance, needs only 3 cells to be TC
01:57:48 <Moon_> I will probs to left shift and make nand operate on one set of two bits (the first ones) at a time, is that TC?
01:58:11 <coppro> you'd have to be more specific
01:58:55 <Moon_> Like take two 4 bit values: 1010 and 0101, Lshift them and nand, and only the bits currently in first would be operated on if a condition is set
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01:59:28 <coppro> I don't follow...
01:59:48 <coppro> left shift them both, then NAND?
01:59:58 <coppro> what do you mean "only the bits currently in first"?
02:00:11 <Moon_> The first bit of each value
02:00:28 <coppro> so like the result in that case would be 10000?
02:00:41 <coppro> intuitively I suspect that isn't enough for TC. But I'm not sure!
02:00:44 <Moon_> No, a new variable would be changed
02:00:53 <Moon_> The third operator for nand
02:01:02 <coppro> operand, you mean?
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02:01:08 <Moon_> Yea, :P
02:01:09 <coppro> anyway, you should try to prove your language TC on your own
02:01:11 <coppro> it's a good exercise
02:01:30 <Moon_> kk
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02:03:17 <Moon_> does C have bitsets?
02:03:49 <coppro> no
02:03:49 <Moon_> Nope
02:03:52 <Moon_> KK then
02:03:57 <Moon_> Time to write a alternative
02:04:00 <coppro> C++ does
02:04:04 <hppavilion[2]> Moon_: a$b
02:08:11 <Moon_> what hppavilion[2]?
02:08:28 <hppavilion[2]> Moon_: $ is mingle. Though you might find it interesting.
02:08:42 * Moon_ doesnt get it
02:09:13 <coppro> Moon_: INTERCAL
02:09:41 <Moon_> oh
02:10:26 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[N--]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46999&oldid=46998 * Moon * (+198) Major modifications to the specifications
02:13:24 <Moon_> gnight
02:14:16 <tromp> you can be TC with just 2 instructions, ri++, and ri--,jump
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02:19:37 <hppavilion[2]> tromp: ri++ needs to have a target; you need at least two registers to point at
02:20:16 <tromp> yeah, ++ has one target, -- has two
02:20:40 <tromp> but each instr only refers to one reg
02:21:03 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Piet]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=47000&oldid=46786 * Timwi * (-73) /* Computational class */
02:21:55 <tromp> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counter-machine_model#1961:_Minsky.27s_model_of_a_partial_recursive_function_reduced_to_a_.22program.22_of_only_two_instructions
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02:52:11 <oerjan> @tell phantom_hoover <Phantom_Hoover> you do need to do <br> to do single-line breaks in mediawiki <-- yes but you don't use _only_ <br>s.
02:52:11 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
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03:05:02 <oerjan> <fizzie> There's 61 umlbox processes all fighting for CPU time. <-- maybe that'll teach b_jonas not to spam it hth
03:05:10 <oerjan> Elronnd: wat
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03:05:57 <oerjan> the world is constantly changing.
03:06:40 <Elronnd> oerjan: thing from a different channel
03:07:19 <oerjan> `? #esoteric
03:08:05 <HackEgo> ​#esoteric is the only channel that exists. After monqy left it's slightly off-centër. It's about 30 m (100 ft) across. oerjan seems to be making a lawn in the northern part.
03:08:18 <oerjan> Elronnd: i'm sorry but that's heretical, see above
03:08:58 * oerjan practices waving his cane ======O
03:09:14 <oerjan> wait, is that the wrong end
03:09:15 <Elronnd> oerjan: okay, I did it for my own personal edification
03:09:45 <shachaf> oerjan: i recommend either s/After/Now that/ or s/'s/ became/ hth
03:10:26 <shachaf> Oh, the "centröid" thing was about boily's question.
03:10:38 <shachaf> @tell boily you haven't asked people about their whereabouts in quite a while
03:10:38 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
03:11:46 <oerjan> `` sed -i "s/'s/ became/" wisdom/#esoteric
03:12:03 <HackEgo> No output.
03:12:16 <oerjan> i feel that monqy has been gone too long for a "Now that"
03:12:28 <oerjan> `? #esoteric
03:12:30 <HackEgo> ​#esoteric is the only channel that exists. After monqy left it became slightly off-centër. It's about 30 m (100 ft) across. oerjan seems to be making a lawn in the northern part.
03:12:33 <shachaf> Nowadays, in monqy's absence,
03:12:43 <quintopia> he didnt even appear this night
03:13:21 <oerjan> indeed, i'm still stuck on m
03:13:44 <shachaf> I should make norwoerjan porridge.
03:13:56 <shachaf> I don't remember the ingredients. Was rice involved?
03:14:02 <shachaf> Sour cream? Milk? Cinnamon? Raisins?
03:15:57 <oerjan> not all at the same time, you are mixing two different types.
03:16:10 <shachaf> which was the type you recommended
03:16:28 <oerjan> skip the sour cream and the rest is good.
03:16:48 <shachaf> But I like sour cream.
03:16:49 <oerjan> also add some sprinkled sugar.
03:16:55 <shachaf> What kind of sugar?
03:17:21 <shachaf> I guess I can follow http://thecountrybasket.com/risengrot-riskrem-recipe/ ?
03:17:29 <oerjan> in that case skip the rice, cinnamon (maybe? i'm a bit vague there) and raisins, but still add sugar.
03:18:03 <oerjan> that's with rice.
03:18:15 <oerjan> you don't mix rice and sour cream, that i know of.
03:18:20 <shachaf> Do you use vanilla powder?
03:19:14 <oerjan> shachaf: hm it's not standard but i'm not sure that it would hurt
03:19:24 <shachaf> That's what that link says.
03:19:44 <pikhq> This is sounding a lot like a rice pudding.
03:19:46 <shachaf> But apparently it's hard to get outside of Norway.
03:19:56 <oerjan> ah yes, that picture also has the traditional red juice.
03:20:02 <pikhq> Ah, that's exactly because it is.
03:20:30 <shachaf> Red juice?
03:20:36 <shachaf> Is that made from the blood of your enemies?
03:21:01 <oerjan> shachaf: e.g. raspberries, very devious little monsters
03:21:28 <shachaf> `? oerjan
03:21:30 <HackEgo> Your retired mysterious evil cackling overlord oerjan is a lazy expert in future computation. Also an antediluvian Norwegian who mildly dislikes Roald Dahl. He can never remember the word "amortized" so he put it here for convenience. His arch-nemesis is Betty Crocker. He sometimes puns without noticing it.
03:21:38 <oerjan> i'm not exactly sure of the proper form of red juice. there are brands...
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03:24:02 <shachaf> `learn Raspberries are oerjan's mortal enemy.
03:24:06 <HackEgo> Learned 'raspberrie': Raspberries are oerjan's mortal enemy.
03:24:11 <quintopia> blue longonblackraspboysenberry sauce
03:24:25 <quintopia> oop
03:24:37 <quintopia> blue lingonblackraspboysenberry sauce
03:24:40 <shachaf> oerjan: wow, that wisdom entry name is kind of scow
03:24:46 <shachaf> it's a pity you're retired, isn't it
03:24:49 <shachaf> no one will fix it now
03:25:26 <oerjan> `rm wisdom/raspberrie
03:25:30 <HackEgo> No output.
03:25:35 <oerjan> it's a blatant lie, anyway.
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03:27:24 * oerjan disagrees with the claim riskrem is only used for christmas and new year.
03:28:02 <shachaf> those are the riskiest times of the year, though
03:28:08 <shachaf> you need all the riskrem you can get
03:28:10 <oerjan> pikhq: note that that page talks about two different dishes, one of which is a prestage to the other.
03:28:46 <oerjan> shachaf: deeply true, that.
03:31:00 <shachaf> `? canaima
03:31:04 <HackEgo> Canaima is a secret Venezuelan project to overrun #esoteric with incomprehensible people who have no idea why they're here.
03:31:13 <shachaf> oerjan: a canaiman joined and parted another channel i'm in
03:31:16 <shachaf> v. mysterious
03:31:35 <oerjan> v.
03:31:47 <shachaf> hmm, i didn't intend "canaiman" to imply a gender
03:32:11 <oerjan> shachaf: oh i note the advice about heavy bottom. that's important, and also to stir enough. otherwise it burns easily.
03:32:51 <oerjan> i didn't interpret it to, hth
03:33:19 <shachaf> can ai man save the world? tune in next week to find out
03:34:16 <quintopia> hmm. i read it as "a person from canaim"
03:34:53 <shachaf> i,ii we're canaimaniacs
03:34:55 <oerjan> hm an hour. back when i actually made this stuff i used a quicker rice brand that only takes 1/4 hour or so. but i guess that might be hard to get outside norway too.
03:35:12 <oerjan> and probably not as good, anyway.
03:35:39 <oerjan> canaima is actually a geographical place name, too
03:35:41 <shachaf> perhaps i should go to norway and try the famous tronheimanian pizza
03:35:51 <oerjan> ...OKAY
03:36:01 <shachaf> trondheimanian
03:36:01 <quintopia> we call it rice dream. it dont have milk
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04:05:06 <\oren\> https://youtu.be/5-l0K9Dp7eI
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04:05:31 <\oren\> 2016ᴴᴰJxL Subtitles
04:05:32 <\oren\> 2016ᴴᴰJxL Subtitles
04:07:14 <\oren\> I like his use of ᴴᴰ
04:11:01 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Unnecessary]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=47001&oldid=41482 * * (-4) /* Interpreter */ I'm pretty sure this is what was meant
04:13:34 <oerjan> @tell hppavilion[1] <hppavilion[1]> I think we could triple the topic's entertainingness [...] <-- itym overdo it to the point where i lose interest hth
04:13:34 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
04:15:18 <shachaf> it's already overdone hth
04:16:40 <oerjan> shachaf: well he _did_ implement his bad suggestion.
04:17:28 <shachaf> well it was overdone a long time ago
04:17:40 <oerjan> not to the point where _i_ lost interest.
04:17:57 <oerjan> you think everything's overdone from the start, anyway >:P
04:18:58 -!- oerjan has set topic: The international hub of solid matrices | Home of the world's largest ball of threads | logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D | http://esolangs.org/ | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf | R.I.P. Overdone city meme..
04:19:10 -!- oerjan has set topic: The international hub of solid matrices | Home of the world's largest ball of threads | logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D | http://esolangs.org/ | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf | R.I.P. Overdone City Meme..
04:19:12 <shachaf> oerjan: true
04:19:17 <shachaf> i prefer my meat extra-rare
04:19:26 <shachaf> uncooked and alive is optimal
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04:20:14 <oerjan> itt shachaf proves he's a zombie
04:20:48 <shachaf> sprø søm sellerɨ
04:21:08 <oerjan> `unidecode ɨ
04:21:10 <HackEgo> ​[U+0268 LATIN SMALL LETTER I WITH STROKE]
04:23:05 <oerjan> ipa-only letters are scow
04:23:47 <shachaf> sełłeri
04:24:34 <oerjan> bëtter
04:25:09 <shachaf> scøw som selleri
04:25:23 <shachaf> `? ørjan
04:25:31 <HackEgo> ​Ørjan is oerjan's good twin. He's banned in the IRC RFC for being an invalid character. Sometimes he publishes papers.
04:25:58 <shachaf> how many twins do you have
04:26:13 <oerjan> an uncountable amount.
04:27:59 <oerjan> `learn אrjan is oerjan's first uncountable twin. He's inconsistent with the ZFC axioms.
04:28:04 <HackEgo> Learned 'אrjan': אrjan is oerjan's first uncountable twin. He's inconsistent with the ZFC axioms.
04:28:38 <shachaf> You're using א, not ℵ?
04:28:42 <oerjan> i'm sure boily will appreciate this wisdom.
04:28:51 <oerjan> what now
04:29:01 <oerjan> `unidecode ℵ
04:29:03 <HackEgo> ​[U+2135 ALEF SYMBOL]
04:29:13 <oerjan> `unidecode א
04:29:14 <HackEgo> ​[U+05D0 HEBREW LETTER ALEF]
04:29:22 <oerjan> DAMN YOU UNICODE
04:29:29 <shachaf> The latter is RTL.
04:29:50 <oerjan> i cannot even see the ℵ
04:30:04 <shachaf> Oh. Then stick with the א, I guess.
04:31:56 <shachaf> `le/rn lem/Stanisław Lem was a Polish logician who discovered the law of excluded middle.
04:32:00 <HackEgo> Learned «lem»
04:39:12 <shachaf> `? trurl
04:39:14 <HackEgo> trurl? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
04:39:32 * oerjan is slightly surprised there was no Lem wisdom
04:39:54 <shachaf> there's still no good lem wisdom
04:39:56 <oerjan> `? łem
04:39:57 <shachaf> so feel free to jam it up
04:39:58 <HackEgo> ​łem? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
04:42:25 <oerjan> @ask fizzie <fizzie> I didn't get home in time to see the first Eurovision semi-final live. :/ <-- does this mean you will now be shunned by your people like lifthrasiir is?
04:42:25 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
04:45:56 <oerjan> @ask hppavilion[1] <hppavilion[2]> Some sort of hybrid between a Star Wars reference, some xkcd jokes, and a reference that no one will ever get to this specific channel <-- by any chance, are you planning to fail this assignment?
04:45:56 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
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06:16:15 <hppavilion[2]> oerjan: :(
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06:20:15 <oerjan> *MWAHAHAHA*
06:22:05 <shachaf> `? oerjan
06:22:35 <HackEgo> Your retired mysterious evil cackling overlord oerjan is a lazy expert in future computation. Also an antediluvian Norwegian who mildly dislikes Roald Dahl. He can never remember the word "amortized" so he put it here for convenience. His arch-nemesis is Betty Crocker. He sometimes puns without noticing it.
06:22:47 <shachaf> hmm, i thought you weren't evil anymore
06:22:51 <oerjan> `` ps aux | paste
06:22:56 <shachaf> but it must've been something else
06:23:08 <oerjan> i'm no longer infamous hth
06:23:17 <HackEgo> http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/paste/paste.9358
06:23:18 <shachaf> you have too many adjectives
06:23:19 <oerjan> don't have the time for all the PR
06:23:25 <shachaf> why don't you offload a few to ørjan
06:23:30 <oerjan> i didn't add most of them. perhaps none.
06:23:30 <coppro> I guess he's outfamous now
06:24:55 <oerjan> i guess that's just sandbox processes.
06:25:31 <shachaf> you should figure out a way to become root so we can see non-sandbox processes
06:27:10 <oerjan> i'm just wondering with this talk of heaps of umlbox processes whether it would help if fizzie rebooted it
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08:06:26 <hppavilion[2]> ...
08:06:28 <hppavilion[2]> http://xkcdsw.com/443 makes me happy
08:14:25 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Rs]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=47002&oldid=44324 * Timwi * (+20) testing
08:14:36 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Rs]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=47003&oldid=47002 * Timwi * (-24) Worked!
08:16:14 <TellsTogo> hppavilion[2], why?
08:46:28 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Special:Log/upload]] upload * Timwi * uploaded "[[File:Efghij — Belmandel function.jpg]]": The Belmandel function in [[efghij]].
08:47:05 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Efghij]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=47005 * Timwi * (+3310) A new esolang: everyday food, garden & home item jenga
08:52:04 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Efghij]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=47006&oldid=47005 * Timwi * (+37)
08:52:52 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Efghij]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=47007&oldid=47006 * Timwi * (+8)
08:53:26 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Efghij]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=47008&oldid=47007 * Timwi * (+23)
09:00:27 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Special:Log/move]] move * Timwi * moved [[File:Efghij — Belmandel function.jpg]] to [[File:Efghij — BelMandel function.jpg]]
09:00:29 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Efghij]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=47011&oldid=47008 * Timwi * (+0)
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09:05:36 <oerjan> a most excellent esolang.
09:14:15 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Talk:Efghij]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=47012 * Oerjan * (+226) A must for the handy programmer
09:17:22 <oerjan> "Twitter user shachaf points out to me (why he didn’t just post this here, I don’t know) [...]"
09:17:35 * oerjan whistles innocently
09:17:41 <shachaf> ugh
09:17:55 <shachaf> I was trying to keep my name out of the comments. :-(
09:17:58 <oerjan> YOU CANNOT ESCAPE
09:19:55 <oerjan> i guess when you start your axe murder career it's important not to have your reputation sullied with this academic stuff.
09:20:27 * oerjan considers doing something less evil ->
09:20:46 <shachaf> My tactic of posting a public twit and then deleting it after it's read isn't as effective as I'd hoped.
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09:21:05 <shachaf> Because people's replies don't get deleted.
09:21:21 <oerjan> makes you look a bit like a twat, maybe?
09:21:53 <shachaf> @wn twat
09:21:55 <lambdabot> *** "twat" wn "WordNet (r) 3.0 (2006)"
09:21:55 <lambdabot> twat
09:21:55 <lambdabot> n 1: a man who is a stupid incompetent fool [syn: {fathead},
09:21:55 <lambdabot> {goof}, {goofball}, {bozo}, {jackass}, {goose}, {cuckoo},
09:21:55 <lambdabot> {twat}, {zany}]
09:21:57 <lambdabot> 2: obscene terms for female genitals [syn: {cunt}, {puss},
09:21:59 <lambdabot> {pussy}, {slit}, {snatch}, {twat}]
09:22:18 <oerjan> apparently that's a bit obscene but it's for a punny cause
09:22:35 <shachaf> @wn twit
09:22:36 <lambdabot> *** "twit" wn "WordNet (r) 3.0 (2006)"
09:22:36 <lambdabot> twit
09:22:36 <lambdabot> n 1: someone who is regarded as contemptible [syn: {twerp},
09:22:36 <lambdabot> {twirp}, {twit}]
09:22:36 <lambdabot> 2: aggravation by deriding or mocking or criticizing [syn:
09:22:38 <lambdabot> [7 @more lines]
09:23:23 <oerjan> lesson for next time: don't modify vowels unnecessarily.
09:23:53 <oerjan> erm, sorry
09:23:57 <shachaf> but isn't that how you make puns
09:24:15 <oerjan> yes, but this time it wasn't strictly needed
09:38:00 <shachaf> so "number of turing machines of size n that halt" is uncomputable, of course
09:38:04 <shachaf> does it have a name?
09:39:25 <oerjan> dunno
09:40:14 <hppavilion[2]> You know
09:40:16 <hppavilion[2]> sglob is TC
09:40:27 <hppavilion[2]> (kind of, sort of, I guess)
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11:42:06 <boily> shachaf: hellochaf. how did you know that raspberries were antioerjannic?
11:47:38 <boily> @massages-loud
11:47:39 <lambdabot> shachaf said 8h 37m ago: you haven't asked people about their whereabouts in quite a while
11:47:39 <lambdabot> shachaf said 8h 36m 42s ago: (please don't @messages-loud the previous message twh)
11:48:01 <b_jonas> what?
11:48:07 <Taneb> Good thing you @massages-loud it instead
11:48:08 <b_jonas> I love raspberries
11:48:14 <Taneb> That could have been embarassing
11:48:28 <b_jonas> August is my favourite month because it's raspberry season
11:48:45 <boily> Tanelle. bad habit on my part >_>'...
11:49:05 <boily> @tell shachaf sorry v_v...
11:49:05 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
11:49:35 <boily> b_jellonas. there's a raspberry season?
11:49:45 <b_jonas> boily: yes. it's longer than one month, but yes.
12:03:57 <boily> is there a minimal implementation of public key crypto?
12:04:59 <boily> doesn't have to be strong (something like rot13 order of magnitude), just reasonably display the concept of.
12:08:11 <izabera> libtom
12:11:38 <boily> izabellora.
12:11:43 <boily> `thanks izabera
12:11:48 <izabera> hola
12:12:10 <HackEgo> Thanks, izabera. Thizabera.
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12:37:40 <fizzie> @tell boily I'm sure I've seen at least a couple of minimal samples using just a bignum library to illustrate the basic RSA idea.
12:37:40 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
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17:17:37 <hppavilion[2]> shachaf: Um, the number of turing machines of size n that halt is infinite; you can make a TM arbitrarily large by just using bigger parts. hth.
17:17:43 * hppavilion[2] hopes that put got across
17:17:52 <hppavilion[2]> `nick hppavilion[1]
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17:18:22 <hppavilion[1]> s/put/pun/
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17:26:50 <tromp> hppavillion your "bigger parts" doesn't make any sense
17:27:56 <hppavilion[1]> tromp: The joke is that you make the TM physically larger
17:28:22 <hppavilion[1]> My new xkcd headcannon: Web substitution "webcomic" -> "web standard"
17:28:25 <tromp> bad joke:( bigger TMs doesn't make for more TMs:(
17:36:07 <hppavilion[1]> "searching" -> "grepping"
17:43:02 <shachaf> your joke doesn't work hth
17:45:33 <shachaf> Taneb: and why don't you like gauss
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18:31:43 <oerjan> Naraka: after i learned a few years ago what it means, i find your nick disturbing
18:32:10 <Naraka> <3
18:33:03 <oerjan> that was not meant as a compliment.
18:33:18 <coppro> is it NSFW?
18:33:27 <shachaf> oerjan: why do you have such a problem with this particular thing
18:33:30 <oerjan> more like NSFL.
18:33:55 <coppro> wonderful
18:33:56 <shachaf> you had a similar objection a few days ago if i remember correctly
18:34:08 <coppro> and that's why my nick has two ps
18:34:42 <oerjan> shachaf: yes. it's because i am superstitious hth
18:34:59 <oerjan> i actually think it's a bad omen when things like that suddenly show up.
18:36:32 <oerjan> so, since Naraka showed up just as i joined the channel, it's like a sign that _i_ need to leave.
18:36:56 <coppro> but you didn't and look what happened
18:37:04 <Taneb> shachaf, reasons
18:37:07 <coppro> now this channel has you in it. you've ruined everything
18:37:34 <oerjan> coppro: maybe all you atheists here will negate the effect now that i've mentioned it. i can only hope.
18:37:41 * oerjan cackles madly.
18:38:44 <Naraka> There's only so many things in life which money can buy.
18:39:09 <Naraka> It sure is good that sex is one of those things.
18:39:26 <coppro> I'm going to pretend that naraka is an uncertain answer to "where are the deer?"
18:39:49 * oerjan slightly suspects Naraka of being hagb4rd and doing this on purpose _because_ i reacted to that H3LL guy.
18:39:56 <shachaf> Taneb: and there i was thinking it was only an hopeless fancy
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18:40:50 <oerjan> except he'd never be that subtle. never mind.
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18:43:03 <Taneb> shachaf, I have an exam on Saturday that is Coding theory... and also Gaussian networks?
18:43:20 <oerjan> shachaf: i also obsessively push the "don't show me this" button on every reddit ad containing skulls. :P
18:44:03 <oerjan> you may or may not recall me having to work around a bug in those a couple years ago...
18:44:58 <Naraka> Every time you smile in the mirror...
18:45:16 <oerjan> coppro: that would be rather unfortunate for the deer.
18:46:08 <shachaf> oerjan: hm i was going to say a thing that would be sort of making fun of you but maybe i oughtn't
18:46:12 <shachaf> hth
18:46:39 <oerjan> Taneb: so how's DF going ;P
18:46:57 <Taneb> oerjan, I've been too busy playing Euro Truck Simulator 2
18:47:47 <shachaf> Taneb: why not train simulator
18:48:00 <Taneb> Because I haven't installed it
18:48:30 <oerjan> @metar ENVA
18:48:31 <lambdabot> ENVA 111720Z 25011KT CAVOK 15/02 Q1015 NOSIG RMK WIND 670FT 29006KT
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18:49:22 <oerjan> Naraka: i'm just happy i don't _really_ see anything in mirrors when i get in that mood.
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18:59:11 * oerjan hopes he'll get less crazy when his sleeping rhythm returns to a more comfortable phase.
18:59:20 <fizzie> Taneb: There's no Finland expansion kit for Euro Truck Simulator 2. :/
18:59:50 <fizzie> The "Scandinavia" DLC covers Denmark, Norway and Sweden, while the Eastern Europe pack is too south.
19:00:02 <coppro> Denmark is not Scandinavia!
19:00:37 <fizzie> Sadly, it is.
19:00:47 <oerjan> fizzie: hi. do you think a reboot of HackEgo might help some?
19:01:18 <coppro> err no wait
19:01:27 <coppro> fizzie: damn you knowing more about where you live
19:01:33 <Taneb> fizzie, I've mostly been playing in the UK and once in the Netherlands
19:01:37 <Taneb> I'm not much good
19:01:50 <fizzie> oerjan: Maybe, but I don't actually know how to start it. I could putz around later, I guess.
19:02:27 <oerjan> i guess not getting up again would be a problem.
19:02:58 <fizzie> (Denmark's not part of the Scandinavian Peninsula, though.)
19:03:56 <fizzie> Taneb: I don't even have the game, I've just coveted it once or twice.
19:04:51 <shachaf> Taneb: Oh, you were in .nl?
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19:05:00 <Taneb> shachaf, once
19:05:31 <shachaf> And you spent that one time playing Euro Truck Simulator 2?
19:06:42 <Taneb> YES
19:06:54 <Taneb> Very loudly I think
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19:33:22 <Phantom_Hoover> Taneb, that is, uh, not the normal way to spend time on a trip to amsterdam
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19:33:47 <Taneb> Phantom_Hoover, either that or shachaf misparsed my sentence
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19:52:28 <int-e> Taneb: you make it sound like an accident
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20:41:32 <\oren\> does euro truck simulator simulate people trying to sneak a ride on your truck?
20:41:47 <quintopia> is that common?
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20:42:19 <\oren\> i've heard that it is
20:42:38 <int-e> meh, always the same with click&point adventures... missing something to interact with.
20:45:15 <hppavilion[1]> Take a *n?x utility (e.g glob, grep, sed, cat)
20:45:26 <hppavilion[1]> Replace one letter (consonant -> consonant, vowel to vowel)
20:45:27 <\oren\> oh apparently tyeres a "trouble at calais" mod for it lolololol
20:45:36 <hppavilion[1]> Get another *n?x utility
20:45:40 <hppavilion[1]> Example:
20:45:45 <hppavilion[1]> gleb = extended glob
20:45:54 <hppavilion[1]> @messages-lud
20:45:55 <lambdabot> oerjan said 16h 32m 20s ago: <hppavilion[1]> I think we could triple the topic's entertainingness [...] <-- itym overdo it to the point where i lose interest hth
20:45:55 <lambdabot> oerjan asked 15h 59m 58s ago: <hppavilion[2]> Some sort of hybrid between a Star Wars reference, some xkcd jokes, and a reference that no one will ever get to this specific channel <-- by any chance, are you planning to fail this assignment?
20:50:06 <gamemanj> quintopia: it is nowadays...
20:50:15 <hppavilion[1]> @tell oerjan I have really cool teacher, so...
20:50:15 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
20:50:43 <gamemanj> Unless the BBC are just making stuff up, which is possible (if improbable)
20:52:18 <quintopia> gamemanj: have people forgotten how to *ask* for a hitchhike?
20:52:31 <hppavilion[1]> POP QUIZ: How many handy numbers do you have?
20:53:33 <quintopia> 1024+
20:54:55 <gamemanj> quintopia: Well, the thing is, the people who sneak rides on trucks aren't supposed to be going to their destination.
20:57:05 <gamemanj> ...not that it stops them.
20:58:06 <quintopia> you mean like refugees and escaped prisoners?
20:58:27 <quintopia> is the truck driver complicit?
20:59:32 <gamemanj> No, the truck driver's the unfortunate victim, AFAIK.
21:00:07 <gamemanj> By which "unfortunate victim" meaning "has people attempting to get onto their truck, which the driver does not want on their truck".
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21:44:55 <fizzie> "The C and C++ compilers now emit saner error messages if merge-conflict markers are present in a source file -- test.c:3:1: error: version control conflict marker in file" (GCC 6)
21:44:59 <fizzie> V. fancy.
21:45:34 <fizzie> "-Wmisleading-indentation warns about places where the indentation of the code gives a misleading idea of the block structure of the code to a human reader."
21:45:37 <fizzie> Even fancier.
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22:09:08 <Moon_> hia
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22:15:09 <Moon__> pc died
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22:17:09 <int-e> r.i.p.
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22:18:35 <Moon__> :p
22:19:15 <Moon__> i spent a bit of my time recently devising _yet another language_ im not gonna post it on the wiki, however
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22:24:59 <Moon__> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1GeKlAmG19bGzWHTwrSu8tOoGHbpcdqJNScoFF7LLm-s/edit?usp=docslist_api
22:25:34 <fizzie> This air freshener spray "kills odour, causing bacteria at the source". (Punctuation added.)
22:25:52 <Moon__> Heh
22:26:28 <Moon__> bad print job or company messup
22:27:43 <fizzie> https://www.ocado.com/productImages/513/51391011_0_640x640.jpg
22:28:00 <Moon__> Lol
22:28:32 <Moon__> {{_%
22:29:40 <Moon__> {{$_@% i ment
22:31:02 <izabera> `unidecode 👼
22:31:27 <HackEgo> U+1F47C BABY ANGEL \ UTF-8: f0 9f 91 bc UTF-16BE: d83ddc7c Decimal: &#128124; \ 👼 \ Category: So (Symbol, Other) \ Bidi: ON (Other Neutrals)
22:32:03 <izabera> https://www.instagram.com/olganoskovaa/
22:34:02 <Moon__> Hey, i had an idea.
22:34:31 <Moon__> why not make a language that uses a data tree for storing information
22:36:55 <quintopia> bindun
22:37:30 <quintopia> heck, hexagony goes one further, stores data in the line graph of a hexagonal grid
22:41:28 <hppavilion[2]> fizzie: A dash would make it so much better
22:41:50 <hppavilion[2]> OH MY GOD
22:41:54 <hppavilion[2]> ANONYMOUS WALRUS IS ONLINE
22:41:58 <hppavilion[2]> WHY COULD THAT NOT BE ME!?
22:43:07 <int-e> because you're a failed villain?
22:44:56 <fizzie> http://esolangs.org/wiki/Arborealis has a tree.
22:45:10 <fizzie> Someone here on the channel had a more recent tree thing as well.
22:45:20 <fizzie> Somewhere during the last two years or so, I think.
22:47:40 <hppavilion[2]> Regular expressions... Irregular expressions... Degenerate expressions...
22:47:42 <hppavilion[2]> `words
22:47:49 <fizzie> (Okay, Arborealis *calls* it a tree, but it has commands for making cycles, which is pretty untreelike.)
22:48:08 <hppavilion[2]> fizzie: Yeah. It's a tree-with-rootback, which isn't a tree
22:48:16 <hppavilion[2]> `cat bin/coins
22:48:23 <HackEgo> vita
22:48:23 <HackEgo> words ${1---eng-1M --esolangs 20} | sed -re 's/( |$)/coin\1/g' | rainwords
22:49:26 <fizzie> http://esolangs.org/wiki/Treehugger is the recent one I was thinking of, it's more pure.
22:49:27 <hppavilion[2]> `cat bin/exps
22:49:30 <HackEgo> cat: bin/exps: No such file or directory
22:49:37 <hppavilion[2]> `` echo "words ${1---eng-1M --esolangs 20} | sed -re 's/( |$)/exp\1/g' | rainwords" > bin/exps
22:49:40 <hppavilion[2]> Wait
22:49:44 <HackEgo> No output.
22:49:48 <hppavilion[2]> Dammit, quotes
22:49:54 <hppavilion[2]> `cat bin/exps
22:49:56 <HackEgo> words echo "words ${1---eng-1M --esolangs 20} | sed -re 's/( |$)/exp\1/g' | rainwords" > bin/exps | sed -re 's/( |$)/exp\1/g' | rainwords
22:50:00 <hppavilion[2]> Oh, it worked
22:50:02 <hppavilion[2]> `exps
22:50:03 <HackEgo> ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: /hackenv/bin/exps: Permission denied \ /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: /hackenv/bin/exps: cannot execute: Permission denied
22:50:06 <hppavilion[2]> Dammit
22:50:13 <hppavilion[2]> Forgot about mkx
22:50:27 <Moon__> Gg
22:50:47 <hppavilion[2]> `mkx bin/exps//words ${1---eng-1M --esolangs 20} | sed -re 's/( |$)/exp\1/g' | rainwords" > bin/exps | sed -re 's/( |$)/exp\1/g' | rainwords
22:50:50 <HackEgo> bin/exps
22:50:52 <hppavilion[2]> `exps
22:50:55 <HackEgo> ​/hackenv/bin/exps: line 1: unexpected EOF while looking for matching `"' \ /hackenv/bin/exps: line 2: syntax error: unexpected end of file
22:50:58 <hppavilion[2]> FUUU
22:51:16 <fizzie> You, uh, left a bit of a thing in there.
22:51:21 <hppavilion[2]> Yeah
22:51:22 <hppavilion[2]> I noticed
22:51:40 <hppavilion[2]> `mkx bin/exps//words ${1---eng-1M --esolangs 20} | sed -re 's/( |$)/exp\1/g' | rainwords
22:51:43 <HackEgo> bin/exps
22:51:51 <hppavilion[2]> `exps
22:52:02 <fizzie> It's interesting how esolangs names are so good for cryptocurrencies.
22:52:08 <hppavilion[2]> fizzie: It is
22:52:15 <fizzie> (I didn't remember it was a mix of eng + esolangs, though.)
22:52:18 <hppavilion[2]> cryptocurrencycoin is my favourite coin
22:52:27 <HackEgo> No output.
22:52:32 <hppavilion[2]> ...
22:52:35 <fizzie> That's probably just HackEgo being bad.
22:52:38 <hppavilion[2]> `coins
22:52:47 <fizzie> I guess I really should try the restart thing.
22:52:53 <hppavilion[2]> fizzie: Uh, yeah
22:53:04 <fizzie> I think it's just being so slow it's tripping the time limits.
22:53:08 <HackEgo> revercoin automoulcoin wardbarbicoin heavecoin whenecoin scabridcoin effingcoin fustcoin latoritscoin rancoin neipliecoin infuckcoin m-codcoin trecoin face1.0coin netweilcoin tsendecoin silaxcoin juliecoin imminincoin
22:53:17 <fizzie> Well, it did manage that.
22:53:28 <hppavilion[2]> So...
22:53:32 <hppavilion[2]> "effingcoin"
22:53:33 <hppavilion[2]> `exps
22:53:37 <Moon__> *thinks annoying the user of a language as much as possible is good*
22:54:02 <fizzie> face1.0coin is very web 2.0.
22:54:07 <HackEgo> wadachiexp drtexp vortherexp mothexp tendswolexp kiiexp kiinexp []exp delexp circutexp phicexp granexp khamptorexp poreexp unlampexp hawnydiaraexp jugueexp genigmagyaexp etaexp unvehmgexp
22:54:07 <hppavilion[2]> fizzie: It is
22:54:25 <hppavilion[2]> []exp is the most real one in there
22:54:40 <fizzie> delexp isn't too far-fetched.
22:54:47 <hppavilion[2]> fizzie: It is not
22:54:55 <fizzie> They're like regex substitutions except the replacement must be the empty string.
22:55:06 <hppavilion[2]> fizzie: Yeah
22:55:17 <hppavilion[2]> drtexp sounds like the syntax of a Tex-like distribution called "Doctor Tex"
22:55:56 <hppavilion[2]> I guess circutexp could be for asciigramming circuits?
22:56:19 <int-e> hmm Tex Murphy.
22:56:33 <hppavilion[2]> genigmagyaexp is... I don't know... a syntax for expressing STDs?
22:57:09 <hppavilion[2]> kiiexp could be something...
22:57:25 <hppavilion[2]> `cat bin/things
22:57:28 <HackEgo> cat: bin/things: No such file or directory
22:58:09 <hppavilion[2]> `mkx bin/thingwords//words ${1---eng-1M --esolangs 20} | sed -re "s/( |$)/$1\1/g" | rainwords
22:58:15 <HackEgo> bin/thingwords
22:58:24 <hppavilion[2]> There, now we don't need `coins or `exps or `loins
22:58:32 <hppavilion[2]> `thingwords exp
22:59:02 <HackEgo> Argument "exp" isn't numeric in int at /hackenv/bin/words line 148. \ exp
22:59:07 <hppavilion[2]> ...dammit
22:59:33 <hppavilion[2]> I suppose the ${1---eng-1M ...} had something to do with that?
22:59:35 <hppavilion[2]> `coins 2
22:59:53 <HackEgo> conhacoin dinecoin
22:59:56 <hppavilion[2]> Yep
23:00:01 <hppavilion[2]> fizzie: Web 3.0 is fun
23:01:11 <hppavilion[2]> But web 3.14159 is better
23:01:21 <hppavilion[2]> (cow.org/csi)
23:02:29 <Moon__> http://tinyurl.com/hlhbch4 , i spent time on this (not going on wiki for reasons)
23:13:29 <quintopia> `coins 3.14
23:14:24 <HackEgo> zaancoin mocreachircoin jouxcoin
23:15:18 <quintopia> HackEgo: where is my seventh of a coin
23:18:23 <fizzie> It's one of those things where hackers steal your roundoff money.
23:26:21 <tswett> So here's a plot of the number of ways that even numbers can be written as the sum of two primes: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7c/Goldbach-1000000.png
23:26:33 <tswett> There's an obvious pattern there.
23:27:23 <tswett> There are a bunch of "lines" which all look like they grow slightly slower than linear.
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23:27:39 <quintopia> tswett: is the pattern that every point is above 1?
23:28:04 <prooftechnique> exit
23:28:06 <tswett> The lines seem to be spaced like... um, I don't know what else is spaced like that.
23:28:49 <tromp> they shld plot it out much further, like 1e+12
23:29:10 <tromp> although it may look just alike:(
23:29:23 <tswett> Ah, this thing explains a lot. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goldbach's_comet
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