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00:04:51 <lynn> rntz: "where the last equality follows after an orgy of algebra." help
00:08:04 <int-e> I may have mentioned the 100 prisoners puzzle, yeah...
00:09:30 <rntz> int-e: do you know of a solution to the variant where (1) you can't count days (2) every prisoner must have the same strategy?
00:10:37 <rntz> I have a solution, that I think I have found a faster version for, but I am not sure the faster one is still correct
00:14:16 <int-e> hmm, I'm interested, but not right now ... too tired from lambdabot hacking.
00:14:52 <int-e> I've mostly worked with the timed version though, so this may be tricky.
00:18:40 <b_jonas> `? post-industrial semi-punk nekronoise ambient happy hardcore triphop shoegaze
00:18:55 <HackEgo> post-industrial semi-punk nekronoise ambient happy hardcore triphop shoegaze? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
00:21:16 <int-e> meh and of course I broke lambdabot on ghc 7.8 :/
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00:22:17 <int-e> "Not in scope: ‘<$>’" ... AMP!
00:23:00 <oerjan> fmap fmap fmap
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00:23:57 <hppavilion[2]> Whoa. Just had an Out-Of-Body experience
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00:24:22 * oerjan gets drawn into ghc trac again, despite having no ghc on his computer
00:24:58 <int-e> :t elem
00:24:59 <lambdabot> (Eq a, Foldable t) => a -> t a -> Bool
00:25:02 <int-e> and that...
00:25:14 <oerjan> int-e: PROBLEM?
00:25:22 <zzo38> Is it possible to configure vim so that the delete key does not save it in the buffer (but d and x keys do)?
00:25:25 <oerjan> > length (1,2)
00:25:26 <lambdabot> 1
00:25:33 <int-e> oerjan: ghc 7.8.4 wants Set.member instead.
00:26:08 <oerjan> > F.elem 1 M.empty
00:26:10 <lambdabot> False
00:26:21 <oerjan> :t F.elem
00:26:22 <lambdabot> (Eq a, Foldable t) => a -> t a -> Bool
00:26:31 <oerjan> hm i guess lambdabot isn't using that
00:26:53 <oerjan> int-e: doesn't import Foldable (elem) help?
00:27:02 <oerjan> (modulo errors)
00:27:05 <int-e> oerjan: then I have to hide the list one ... not going there.
00:27:23 <b_jonas> zzo38: do you mean to day that the delete key does not save what it deletes to the "" register (that's the register the p command pastes from by default)? If so, map that key to "_x
00:27:39 <b_jonas> zzo38: see :he ""
00:27:46 <oerjan> int-e: ouch
00:28:59 <zzo38> OK yes I think that could work (I do intend that regardless of normal mode, visual mode, and insertion mode)
00:29:08 <b_jonas> `? continuous
00:29:11 <b_jonas> `? contiguous
00:29:12 <HackEgo> continuous? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
00:29:12 <HackEgo> contiguous? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
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00:29:50 <b_jonas> zzo38: freenode's #vim channel is good so if you can't get help here you can always ask there
00:29:53 <int-e> but hey, at least my work on the travis setup is paying off... building 3 1/2 minutes :)
00:30:24 <zzo38> b_jonas: OK thanks
00:30:56 <oerjan> int-e: alas, the 3-release property doesn't apply to avoiding stupid import tricks. (if it's still alive at all. i'm still stuck back in March.)
00:31:22 <oerjan> *policy
00:31:24 <zzo38> int-e: What is that? I have seen files called "travis" in some source code repositories but is that related?
00:31:33 <int-e> yes.
00:31:39 <oerjan> my fingers seem to think only the fist and last letters count.
00:31:39 <int-e> https://travis-ci.org/
00:31:47 <b_jonas> `? b_jonas can't spell
00:31:48 <HackEgo> b_jonas can't spell? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
00:31:48 * oerjan saw that one and refued to fix it.
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00:31:58 <oerjan> yep, that one oo
00:32:05 <oerjan> this is going well.
00:33:21 <int-e> oerjan: https://github.com/lambdabot/lambdabot/compare/b1c2abdf3f06...8389c69f3b27 ... I even used liftM!
00:34:46 <oerjan> shocking
00:35:51 <b_jonas> `slashlearn b_jonas can't spell/b_jonas can't spell these words: weird, hygiene, etymology, mysterious, Odyssey, myopia, carbohydrate, appearance, maintenance, existence, heard, appropriate; and confuses these sets of words: then, than; drought, draught/draft; couch, coach; depreciate, deprecate; dilate, dilute, delate; contiguous, continuous.
00:35:53 <HackEgo> Learned «b_jonas can't spell»
00:35:58 <b_jonas> `? b_jonas can't spell
00:36:00 <HackEgo> b_jonas can't spell these words: weird, hygiene, etymology, mysterious, Odyssey, myopia, carbohydrate, appearance, maintenance, existence, heard, appropriate; and confuses these sets of words: then, than; drought, draught/draft; couch, coach; depreciate, deprecate; dilate, dilute, delate; contiguous, continuous.
00:37:04 <shachaf> itym itymology hth
00:37:22 <int-e> yeah I'm disappointed that there's no typo in that list, too.
00:37:42 <b_jonas> int-e: there isn't? I thought there'd be one even if I didn't try to put one in
00:38:02 <shachaf> `? amortize
00:38:04 <HackEgo> amortize? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
00:38:07 <b_jonas> There's also the three nouns trace vs track vs trail, of which the difference nobody managed to properly explain to me. I asked a few times, but got contradictory explanations.
00:38:25 <b_jonas> ``` cd wisdom && grep amorti *
00:38:35 <HackEgo> grep: le: Is a directory \ grep: ¯\(°_o): Is a directory \ grep: ¯\(°​_o): Is a directory \ amortized:An amortized word is a word that oerjan can never remember. \ oerjan:Your retired mysterious evil cackling overlord oerjan is a lazy expert in future computation. Also an antediluvian Norwegian who mildly dislikes Roald Dahl with a passion. H
00:38:45 <b_jonas> ``` cd wisdom && grep --no-messages amorti *
00:38:46 <HackEgo> amortized:An amortized word is a word that oerjan can never remember. \ oerjan:Your retired mysterious evil cackling overlord oerjan is a lazy expert in future computation. Also an antediluvian Norwegian who mildly dislikes Roald Dahl with a passion. He can never remember the word "amortized" so he put it here for convenience. His arch-nemesis is B
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00:38:58 <b_jonas> shachaf: amortized
00:39:13 <shachaf> what about it
00:39:27 <int-e> `` grep -l mortif wisdom/*
00:39:30 <HackEgo> grep: wisdom/le: Is a directory \ grep: wisdom/¯\(°_o): Is a directory \ grep: wisdom/¯\(°​_o): Is a directory \ wisdom/reflection
00:39:34 <b_jonas> `? trace
00:39:35 <HackEgo> trace? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
00:39:36 <shachaf> just use rgrep, yo
00:39:36 <b_jonas> `? track
00:39:37 <HackEgo> track? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
00:39:38 <b_jonas> `? trail
00:39:39 <HackEgo> trail? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
00:39:54 <int-e> `` find wisdom -type f -print0 | xargs grepp -l mortif
00:39:56 <HackEgo> xargs: Warning: a NUL character occurred in the input. It cannot be passed through in the argument list. Did you mean to use the --null option? \ xargs: grepp: No such file or directory
00:40:01 <int-e> `` find wisdom -type f -print0 | xargs -0 grepp -l mortif
00:40:03 <HackEgo> xargs: grepp: No such file or directory
00:40:10 <int-e> I'm too stupid for this.
00:40:14 <int-e> `` find wisdom -type f -print0 | xargs -0 grep -l mortif
00:40:16 <HackEgo> No output.
00:40:18 <shachaf> `` rgrep mortif wisdom
00:40:25 <HackEgo> No output.
00:40:27 <int-e> as I said.
00:40:55 <b_jonas> `slashlearn post-industrial semi-punk nekronoise ambient happy hardcore triphop shoegaze/Post-industrial semi-punk nekronoise ambient happy hardcore triphop shoegaze is the genre of the Autobanh album "Nagelbett" according to http://thedailywtf.com/articles/Yo-Ho%2c-Yo-Ho%2c-A-Pirates-Life-for-Lee .
00:40:59 <HackEgo> Learned «post-industrial semi-punk nekronoise ambient happy hardcore triphop shoegaze»
00:42:49 <int-e> `sedlast s/banh/bahn/
00:43:11 <HackEgo> wisdom/post-industrial semi-punk nekronoise ambient happy hardcore triphop shoegaze//Post-industrial semi-punk nekronoise ambient happy hardcore triphop shoegaze is the genre of the Autobahn album "Nagelbett" according to http://thedailywtf.com/articles/Yo-Ho%2c-Yo-Ho%2c-A-Pirates-Life-for-Lee .
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00:57:16 <b_jonas> `? iron general
00:57:18 <HackEgo> iron general? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
00:57:49 <b_jonas> `slashlearn iron general/The Iron General is Siona Patricia pa-Lehyll pa-Drusia Ishgur-Sal, Lady of Tyren, sometime general in His Majesty's army, dame of the Empire, and senator of Tuqnil, in http://www.madore.org/~david/weblog/d.2003-12-04.0383.html
00:57:52 <HackEgo> Learned «iron general»
00:58:42 <b_jonas> `? john
00:58:42 <oerjan> b_jonas: madore is writing fantasy fiction?
00:58:43 <HackEgo> john? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
00:59:15 <b_jonas> oerjan: probably more sci-fi. http://www.madore.org/~david/lit/god.html definitely counts as sci-fi to me.
00:59:40 <Phantom_Hoover> i remember years ago we found some erotic gay elf lotr fanfic he wrote
00:59:49 <Phantom_Hoover> but it was in french so it looked a lot more classy than that
01:00:00 <b_jonas> `learn John is not Hziulquoigmnzhah of Cykranosh, the dread spawn of Cxaxukluth, according to http://smbc-comics.com/index.php?id=4072
01:00:04 <HackEgo> Learned 'john': John is not Hziulquoigmnzhah of Cykranosh, the dread spawn of Cxaxukluth, according to http://smbc-comics.com/index.php?id=4072
01:01:47 <oerjan> b_jonas: damn guessed wrong.
01:02:31 <shachaf> b_jonas: you seem to be adding a lot of spurious wisdom entries
01:02:35 <shachaf> i can't figure out why
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01:03:35 <b_jonas> shachaf: I probably am. what wisdom entry do you not count as spurious, or what is your idea about the real goal HackEgo wisdom should serve?
01:03:46 <shachaf> unclear
01:03:51 <shachaf> but why are you adding these
01:04:01 <b_jonas> shachaf: they amuse me, usually
01:04:16 <b_jonas> most of them probably have no purpose, but maybe a few will inspire other people
01:04:26 <b_jonas> `? filk
01:04:28 <HackEgo> filk? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
01:05:06 <FreeFull> Fisting with milk
01:05:14 <FreeFull> Obviously
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01:21:55 <quintopia> shachaf: none are spurious. each is 100% accurate. All are superfluous, just like everything in the wisdomdb
01:22:16 <shachaf> that's probably the word i meant tdh
01:22:30 <shachaf> oerjan's wisdom entries are great, though
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01:23:34 <oerjan> FreeFull: ordinary milk or filmjölk?
01:24:03 <oerjan> hm am i confusing you with a swede again
01:24:15 * oerjan swats FireFly for being confusable -----###
01:24:30 <FireFly> I am?
01:24:41 <oerjan> yep
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01:25:48 <FreeFull> oerjan: Yes
01:26:01 <FreeFull> What is filmjölk?
01:26:19 <FireFly> It's like milk except thicker
01:26:25 <FreeFull> Soured milk?
01:26:34 <FreeFull> Milk with extra cream?
01:26:45 <FireFly> Soured milk, yeah
01:26:48 <FireFly> I think
01:26:52 <FreeFull> Ok
01:27:02 <FreeFull> Lactic acid bacteria then
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01:27:08 <FireFly> Or well, fermented milk
01:30:50 <hppavilion[1]> Ugh
01:31:17 <hppavilion[1]> I hate it when people attribute their lack of ability to use advanced software features to "it's glitchy"
01:32:30 <zzo38> What example?
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01:40:10 <oerjan> thoily.
01:40:56 * oerjan thinks we may be somewhat out of sync. the last one was 4 days ago.
01:42:30 <oerjan> hppavilion[1]: conclusion: the ability to use advanced software depends on being able to ignore glitches.
01:42:50 <oerjan> this is in line with my experience hth
01:43:31 <boily> thellørjan.
01:44:08 <boily> . o O ( Thellørjanium... even more awesome than adamantium and that other Marvel or DC stuff.. )
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01:56:38 <oerjan> shydraz: feeling supersymmetric today?
01:57:21 <shydraz> uh, shit, I need to look up this joke
01:57:36 <oerjan> *MWAHAHAHA*
01:59:12 <boily> shellodraz.
01:59:22 <boily> fungot: what is supersymmetry?
01:59:23 <fungot> boily: mr president, ten days ago. on that occasion it was in favour of certain amendments which had just crossed a military fnord into iran? obviously not! that would be the last time a pharmacist shot another pharmacist to control the safety and effectiveness of the project, to ensure observance of the democratic clause is very directly related to the reduction of prices, especially in regions which are situated just below th
02:00:03 <oerjan> it seems iran is developing it. we're probably doomed.
02:00:26 -!- shydraz has changed nick to hydraz.
02:00:38 <oerjan> also, it involves pharmacy rather than nuclear physics.
02:00:56 <hydraz> oerjan: since I didn't understand the wikipedia page - something to do with quantum mechanics? -, I'll just revert to my non-quantum-mechanical nick.
02:01:42 <oerjan> hydraz: i'm afraid that to become supersymmetric, you must already have been quantum mechanical to start with.
02:01:51 <hydraz> nooo
02:02:02 <hydraz> oerjan: so am I dead or am or alive?
02:02:12 <boily> hydraz: you are FM hth
02:02:14 <oerjan> just pull out all the stops. also the sbottoms.
02:02:33 * boily *THWACKS* oerjan. 0.9 shachafs.
02:02:43 <oerjan> boily: hey i'm just trying to give hints here
02:03:09 <boily> it was a pun.
02:03:15 <oerjan> OKAY
02:03:23 <boily> a good one. you scored high.
02:03:27 <oerjan> yay
02:03:44 <b_jonas> ouch
02:04:31 <oerjan> hydraz: i don't know, could you come in for observation?
02:04:42 <hydraz> That one I understood
02:04:50 <b_jonas> hydraz: the fizikusinduló (a party song the physicist students here use as their anthem) asks whether they're dead or alive.eeee
02:05:04 <hydraz> oerjan: I would, but I collapsed on the street.
02:05:17 <b_jonas> oh admn is my keyboard
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02:05:35 <oerjan> hydraz: well you still sound coherent.
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02:07:46 <oerjan> `learn admn is the curse of people with cdop.
02:07:52 <HackEgo> Learned 'admn': admn is the curse of people with cdop.
02:08:33 <boily> admn? cdop? Abyssal Decoherent Malady of the Nerves? Chronic Disposition of Pneumonia?
02:09:54 * oerjan slightly impressed that google translate guessed what language "indul" was
02:10:11 <oerjan> `? cdop
02:10:13 <HackEgo> cdop? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
02:10:19 <oerjan> hm we don't have that yet?
02:10:46 <oerjan> `learn CDOP is OCPD, except with the letters in the *proper* order.
02:10:49 <HackEgo> Learned 'cdop': CDOP is OCPD, except with the letters in the *proper* order.
02:11:20 <oerjan> hm...
02:12:53 <quintopia> helloily
02:15:41 <boily> quinthellopia
02:16:01 <quintopia> having a good sunday?
02:18:25 <boily> tiles were shuffled!
02:18:31 <boily> did you sunday well?
02:20:34 <oerjan> <hppavilion[1]> https://youtu.be/abv4Fz7oNr0 forces me to beg the question of what the 3.5th digit of pi is <-- hm i can see one obvious interpretation
02:20:58 <oerjan> namely, the 3rd digit of pi*sqrt(10)
02:21:10 <hppavilion[1]> http://www.5z8.info/-OPEN-WEBCAM---START-RECORD--_q3f8oq_whitepower
02:21:27 <oerjan> hm or maybe not 3rd.
02:21:37 <oerjan> 2nd after the period.
02:21:46 <boily> hppavellon[1]. uhm... not sure I want to click on a white power link hth
02:21:47 <oerjan> > pi
02:21:48 <lambdabot> 3.141592653589793
02:21:52 <oerjan> > pi*sqrt(10)
02:21:54 <lambdabot> 9.934588265796101
02:21:59 <oerjan> so, 3.
02:22:03 <hppavilion[1]> boily: cliiiiiiiiiiickiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit
02:22:11 <boily> hppavilion[1]: nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooohth
02:22:23 <oerjan> does someone need a good kicking
02:22:36 <hppavilion[1]> boily: It's very funny
02:22:38 <boily> hppavilion[1]: I clicked. HA HA HA :D
02:22:41 <boily> it is funny.
02:22:42 <hppavilion[1]> Excellent
02:24:01 <hppavilion[1]> You guys make it very hard not to shoot the puppy <http://www.rrrrthats5rs.com/games/dont-shoot-the-puppy/>
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02:47:13 <fizzie> > exp pi - pi
02:47:15 <lambdabot> 19.999099979189474
02:47:34 <fizzie> "Shouldn't that be 20?"
02:50:00 <fizzie> > (9**2 + 19**2/22)**(1/4) - pi
02:50:02 <lambdabot> -1.007146810394488e-9
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03:22:20 <FreeFull> > 22 * pi ^ 4
03:22:22 <lambdabot> 2143.0000027480532
03:22:29 <FreeFull> fizzie: ^
03:22:51 <FreeFull> > 88 * log 89
03:22:53 <lambdabot> 395.0000005364283
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04:05:02 <Sgeo> Well, http://jobs.sportsauthority.com/ seems like a really bad idea for a new job
04:11:28 <lifthrasiir> > sin (2017 * 2 ^ 0.2)
04:11:29 <lambdabot> Could not deduce (Integral b0) arising from a use of ‘^’
04:11:30 <lambdabot> from the context (Floating a)
04:11:30 <lambdabot> bound by the inferred type of it :: Floating a => a
04:11:43 <lifthrasiir> > sin (2017 * 2.0 ** 0.2)
04:11:45 <lambdabot> -1.0
04:11:51 <lifthrasiir> fizzie, FreeFull: ^
04:12:13 <lifthrasiir> (sounds a good prank for the next year)
04:15:56 <FreeFull> > 2.0 ** 0.2
04:15:57 <lambdabot> 1.148698354997035
04:16:17 <FreeFull> > 2017 * 2.0 ** 0.2
04:16:19 <lambdabot> 2316.92458202902
04:16:25 <FreeFull> > (2017 * 2.0 ** 0.2) / pi
04:16:26 <lambdabot> 737.5000000020841
04:16:41 <FreeFull> lifthrasiir: Ok
04:17:44 <lifthrasiir> FreeFull: probably the most succinct almost integer in terms of error per term & digit ratio
04:17:51 <lifthrasiir> the most succinct known*
04:18:38 <FreeFull> How about 1.01
04:18:49 <lifthrasiir> e^(pi sqrt(163)) is also succinct, but its large quantity makes it a bit strange
04:19:39 <lifthrasiir> FreeFull: too obvious?
04:19:50 <lifthrasiir> well, it is a bit subjective
04:20:11 <lifthrasiir> you can try to define the complexity of expression with some kind of normalized string (RIES does this, FYI)
04:20:23 <lifthrasiir> but any such scheme would be subjective
04:20:25 <lifthrasiir> I guess
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05:16:30 <hppavilion[1]> http://www.theage.com.au/entertainment/when-a-computer-scammer-tries-to-open-my-windows-porn-saves-the-day-20140201-31u1c.html 8=D
05:16:31 <hppavilion[1]> (that is a smiley face, you sick bastard)
05:35:21 <quintopia> that is a good article
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07:38:50 <hppavilion[1]> Hm... What would happen if you withdrew negative dollars?
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07:51:23 <shachaf> hppavilion[1]: That's part of Infocom's game, _Bureaucracy_.
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08:25:03 <zzo38> Does Xlib have any functions to convert a picture without opening a display connection?
08:32:35 <zzo38> (I suppose XGetPixel and XPutPixel could be used to do it very slowly)
08:33:58 <shachaf> Don't those require a display connection?
08:35:21 <zzo38> Those functions don't. XInitImage, XSubImage, XAddPixel, and XDestroyImage also don't.
08:37:07 <zzo38> (XCreateImage requires a display connection, although another way to create a XImage is to fill in the structure yourself and then call XInitImage.)
08:47:12 <hppavilion[1]> What's the name of the idea of a chip which, on your early death, simulates a perfect happy lifetime?
08:48:59 <shachaf> hppavilion[1]: go easy on your EBEs
08:49:11 <hppavilion[1]> shachaf: EBEs?
08:49:15 <shachaf> yes
08:49:21 <hppavilion[1]> shachaf: I'm sorry
08:49:25 <hppavilion[1]> shachaf: What's EBE?
08:49:43 <shachaf> @google go easy on your EBEs
08:49:43 <lambdabot> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spF6A2QK31s
08:49:44 <hppavilion[1]> There's an episode of the X-Files called E.B.E
08:51:45 <hppavilion[1]> shachaf: OK, but that's not the concept of that chip
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08:53:49 <hppavilion[1]> ADNUUUUUUUU
08:57:31 <hppavilion[1]> What would happen if that chip malfunctioned?
09:03:04 <hppavilion[1]> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4CRCJUmWsM&index=2&list=PLV9ZS-zCs2ZS7Ut3LzOZ4NG7oZwn8BY8i is.......... interesting
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09:26:26 <shachaf> You can probably trace a lot of this channel to Look Around You if you try.
09:26:42 <shachaf> For example, porthelleaus.
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09:40:16 <zzo38> Do you have a copy of the instructions on the envelope of a IBM flowchart template?
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10:11:58 <b_jonas> huh, who's the guest artist of today's Dilbert?
10:12:44 <b_jonas> ah, "jake tapper" is probably the name of the artist
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10:21:14 <izabera> http://www.tiltbrush.com coooooooool
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10:35:29 <int-e> hmm, no mroman
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14:03:49 <b_jonas> `wisdom
14:04:12 <HackEgo> transformer//A transformer is one who used to trans, but no longer does.
14:05:09 <boily> `wisdom
14:05:16 <HackEgo> oren//oren is a Canadian esolanger who would like to obliterate time zones so that he can talk to his father who lives in the same house. He'll orobablu get the hang of toycj tuping soon. He also has a rabid hatred of the two-storey lowercase a.
14:05:21 <b_jonas> `random-card
14:05:25 <HackEgo> Lifeforce \ GG \ Enchantment \ {G}{G}: Counter target black spell. \ A-U, B-U, U-U, RV-U, 4E-U, 5E-U, ME4-R
14:06:13 <b_jonas> eww, that's a strange card
14:06:51 <boily> there are non-blue counters?
14:07:32 <b_jonas> boily: sure, there's a very few white ones
14:07:53 <b_jonas> boily: and you've probably heared of
14:07:59 <b_jonas> `card-by-name Red Elemental Blast
14:08:01 <HackEgo> Red Elemental Blast \ R \ Instant \ Choose one -- \ · Counter target blue spell. \ · Destroy target blue permanent. \ A-C, B-C, U-C, RV-C, 4E-C, ME4-U
14:11:32 <b_jonas> boily: there's Dawn Charm and Rebuff the Wicked and Vigilant Martyr which are specific against some spells, then there's a recent strange example of Frontline Medic, Mana Tithe which is a colorshifted card from planar chaos,
14:11:50 <b_jonas> but the best example is Lapse of Certainty which is a general counterspell in white.
14:13:46 <b_jonas> `card-by-name Lapse of Certainty
14:13:49 <HackEgo> Lapse of Certainty \ 2W \ Instant \ Counter target spell. If that spell is countered this way, put it on top of its owner's library instead of into that player's graveyard. \ CON-C
14:13:56 <b_jonas> `card-by-name Excommunicate
14:13:59 <HackEgo> Excommunicate \ 2W \ Sorcery \ Put target creature on top of its owner's library. \ ALA-C, M10-C, M11-C
14:14:48 <boily> ...
14:15:18 * boily shudders at the wrongness of those cards
14:16:52 <b_jonas> boily: if it's any comfort to you, I don't think you'll see color hosers like Lifeforce or Red Elemental Blast in the future for a while
14:18:05 <b_jonas> The white counterspells are a bit strange, because if white wants to protect their permanents from spells, he should just give them protection, which white could traditionally do cheaply, though it's getting rare in recent sets.
14:19:07 <b_jonas> `card-by-name Deathgrip
14:19:09 <HackEgo> Deathgrip \ BB \ Enchantment \ {B}{B}: Counter target green spell. \ A-U, B-U, U-U, RV-U, 4E-U, 5E-U, ME4-R
14:19:24 <b_jonas> ^ I think that's paired with Lifeforce
14:19:32 <b_jonas> `card-by-name Dash Hopes
14:19:34 <HackEgo> Dash Hopes \ BB \ Instant \ When you cast Dash Hopes, any player may pay 5 life. If a player does, counter Dash Hopes. \ Counter target spell. \ PLC-C
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14:20:39 <b_jonas> `? Stromgald Cabal
14:20:41 <HackEgo> Stromgald Cabal? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
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14:21:07 <b_jonas> `? Withering Boom
14:21:09 <b_jonas> `? Withering Boo
14:21:10 <HackEgo> Withering Boom? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
14:21:11 <HackEgo> Withering Boo? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
14:21:16 <b_jonas> `? Withering Boon
14:21:18 <b_jonas> `? Withering Boob
14:21:18 <HackEgo> Withering Boon? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
14:21:20 <HackEgo> Withering Boob? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
14:21:27 <b_jonas> `card-by-name stromgald
14:21:28 <HackEgo> Stromgald Cabal \ 1BB \ Creature -- Human Knight \ 2/2 \ {T}, Pay 1 life: Counter target white spell. \ IA-R, 5E-R, 6E-R, ME2-R \ \ Stromgald Crusader \ BB \ Creature -- Zombie Knight \ 2/1 \ Protection from white \ {B}: Stromgald Crusader gains flying until end of turn. \ {B}{B}: Stromgald Crusader gets +1/+0 until end of turn. \ CSP-U \ \ Strom
14:21:32 <b_jonas> `card-by-name withering boo
14:21:33 <HackEgo> Withering Boon \ 1B \ Instant \ As an additional cost to cast Withering Boon, pay 3 life. \ Counter target creature spell. \ MI-U
14:22:15 <b_jonas> oh, there's another Red Elemental Blast too:
14:22:21 <b_jonas> `card-by-name Burnout
14:22:22 <HackEgo> Burnout \ 1R \ Instant \ Counter target instant spell if it's blue. \ Draw a card at the beginning of the next turn's upkeep. \ AI-U, ME2-U
14:23:55 <b_jonas> `card-by-name Mages' Contest
14:23:57 <HackEgo> Mages' Contest \ 1RR \ Instant \ You and target spell's controller bid life. You start the bidding with a bid of 1. In turn order, each player may top the high bid. The bidding ends if the high bid stands. The high bidder loses life equal to the high bid. If you win the bidding, counter that spell. \ IN-R
14:24:15 <b_jonas> `card-by-name Molten Influence
14:24:17 <HackEgo> Molten Influence \ 1R \ Instant \ Counter target instant or sorcery spell unless its controller has Molten Influence deal 4 damage to him or her. \ OD-R
14:24:24 <b_jonas> ^ that one is like Dash Hopes but even worse
14:25:01 <b_jonas> `card-by-name Pyroblast
14:25:03 <HackEgo> Pyroblast \ R \ Instant \ Choose one -- \ · Counter target spell if it's blue. \ · Destroy target permanent if it's blue. \ IA-C, 5E-U, MED-C
14:25:12 <b_jonas> ^ wait, did they put a red elemental blast in every early set?
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14:37:03 <ais523> b_jonas: I think Pyroblast was a rules-errata version of REB
14:37:33 <ais523> the idea being that you can pyroblast something that isn't blue, and recolor it, even in an old version of the rules where instants worked weirdly
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14:40:31 <ais523> @tell shachaf I don't think the malware was literally written in 90; it's the same spirit, but I think it used a different mechanism to recognise what and where to patch
14:40:31 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
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14:56:00 <int-e> `? mroman
14:56:03 <HackEgo> mroman is a leading artist in password security (SFW). He also likes black madness. He can design password hashes that are worse than the identity function. He invented the identity function. He's also an artist in unconventional warfare.
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15:06:00 <ais523> hmm, I understand how a function could be worse at hashing password than the identity function
15:06:11 <ais523> however I feel that it's dubious that it could be called a password hashing function, in such a case
15:06:17 <boily> I fail to see how a hash could be worse than identity.
15:07:05 <ais523> it could waste a lot of space in the result, make the original password still reasonably recoverable, /and/ have collisions
15:07:17 <ais523> e.g. s/aeiou/?????/g
15:07:21 <ais523> err
15:07:24 <ais523> s/[aeiou]/?????/g
15:07:38 <ais523> I'd say that'd be worse than the identity function at password hashing in basically every way
15:07:57 <boily> I feel tainted. I'ma gonna wash some dishes to cleanse myself.
15:08:08 <ais523> <spambot> Did Humanity Descend From Aliens?
15:08:09 <ais523> that's a new one
15:08:13 <ais523> not opening the message though
15:09:18 <int-e> . o O ( `sedtopic s/international/alien/ )
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15:29:18 -!- boily has set topic: The alien hub of solidity matrices | Ingredients: Hydrogen, time, stevia | logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D | http://esolangs.org/ | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf.
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16:23:44 <\oren\> I love stevia!
16:24:14 <\oren\> it doesn't taste much like sugar, but I like it in its own right
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16:26:17 <\oren\> gamemanj: do you like stevia?
16:26:31 <gamemanj> unknown what "stevia" is
16:26:38 <gamemanj> `? stevia
16:26:41 <HackEgo> stevia? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
16:26:47 <gamemanj> conclusion. it does not exist.
16:27:30 <\oren\> it's a chemical that is used as a sweetener
16:28:24 <gamemanj> Since I didn't know about it, I wouldn't know of any interactions.
16:28:25 <\oren\> it is used in pepsi next
16:29:53 <gamemanj> ...I don't believe I've had any interactions with <tmTkn:PepsiNext>, either.
16:30:40 <\oren\> what sodas do you like?
16:31:05 <gamemanj> ...why is this information of relevance?
16:31:53 <gamemanj> ...information limit cut-out has triggered, you have reached your monthly limit on information.
16:32:10 <\oren\> well boily just put stevia on the list of ingredients for the alien hub of solidity matrices
16:32:34 <gamemanj> Well, I don't have any known dislike of stevia.
16:33:30 <\oren\> wait how did you do that?
16:33:43 <gamemanj> ?
16:33:52 <gamemanj> ?
16:33:56 <\oren\> italics?
16:34:00 <gamemanj> Ctrl-I:Italic.
16:34:03 <boily> he\\oren\. I didn't put stevia hth
16:34:08 <gamemanj> Ctrl-U:Underline.
16:34:12 <boily> test
16:34:13 <gamemanj> Ctrl-B:Bold.
16:34:19 <boily> test
16:34:45 <\oren\> ‰test
16:34:55 <\oren\> not working for me
16:34:56 <gamemanj> It's useful for making your text sloped. Like this. Like that text feature that can be overused. A lot!
16:35:04 <gamemanj> huh, you somehow managed to write 0x89
16:35:07 <gamemanj> I congratulate you
16:35:20 <\oren\> ctrl i gives me a tab
16:35:40 <\oren\> ctrl shift i gives me a 0x89
16:36:03 <gamemanj> If I'm reading the letters correctly, you want 0x10. (Not 0x0A)
16:36:28 <gamemanj> Trouble is, I can't copy it to you since it would be invisible.
16:37:57 <gamemanj> `unicode 0x10
16:38:06 <HackEgo> U+0010 <control> \ UTF-8: 10 UTF-16BE: 0010 Decimal: &#16; \ \ Category: Cc (Other, Control) \ Bidi: BN (Boundary Neutral)
16:38:21 <gamemanj> huh?
16:38:27 <gamemanj> so apparently I got the wrong letter
16:38:49 <gamemanj> `unicode
16:38:53 <HackEgo> U+001D <control> \ UTF-8: 1d UTF-16BE: 001d Decimal: &#29; \ \ Category: Cc (Other, Control) \ Bidi: B (Paragraph Separator)
16:38:56 <gamemanj> Ah
16:39:05 <gamemanj> so it's 0x1D...
16:40:15 <\oren\> italics?
16:40:24 <gamemanj> yep
16:40:26 <gamemanj> italics
16:40:33 <\oren\> YAY! it's control ]
16:40:50 <\oren\> colors!
16:40:54 <gamemanj> Ah, you're using a terminal-based chat client
16:41:14 <\oren\> over two tmuxes and sshes, no less
16:41:28 <gamemanj> *two*?
16:41:44 <izabera> throw in some mosh too
16:41:46 <gamemanj> ...
16:42:07 <\oren\> yes. I ssh into my home server, run tmux, ssh over to my website, run tmux, run irssi!
16:43:24 <izabera> such lag
16:43:37 <\oren\> and the terminal itself is mintty on cygwin
16:43:52 <izabera> tmuxception
16:46:14 <\oren\> frankly mintty is better than the terminal I use on linux
16:46:36 <izabera> what does it do?
16:47:41 <\oren\> it gets out of my way
16:48:11 <gamemanj> I prefer terminals that are in my way... it's kind of hard to reach if it's out of my way
16:49:33 <\oren\> that is to say , it runs wihtout a menu bar, and has very few keyboard shortcuts.
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16:53:12 <\oren\> Oh, and it lets me turn off font blurring
16:53:13 <boily> ‰
16:53:52 <gamemanj> "font blurring" is the correct term for anti-aliasing, I presume?
16:54:02 <\oren\> yes.
16:54:08 <gamemanj> why can't we all use pixel fonts
16:54:44 <boily> €‚ƒ„…†‡ˆ‰Š‹‹ŒŽ‘’“”•–—˜™š›œžŸ
16:54:55 <gamemanj> boily?
16:55:05 <gamemanj> your UTF-8 impl. is broken
16:55:27 <boily> it's not broken :D
16:55:50 <\oren\> I can do that too! “„†‡ˆŠ‹Œ
16:56:23 <\oren\> control shift gives you the upper bytes
16:56:58 <gamemanj> ‚ˆŒ
16:57:16 <gamemanj> so, what meaning are these supposed to have again?
16:57:27 <boily> does Ctrl-Shift-U then typing the codepoint in hex work for you guys?
16:57:48 <gamemanj> Uh, yes.
16:57:59 <gamemanj>
16:58:04 <gamemanj> ^ what is that?
16:58:14 <boily> fungot: Wꙮrship the multiꙮcular ꙮ!
16:58:15 <fungot> boily: mr president, ladies and gentlemen, the basis of sex in all matters covered by this directive also protect mr fatuzzo' s explanations about the long internal process involved in this area. on the eve of the european people do not leave their homes nor to work are preventing us from considering a new form of cooperation is the large-scale violation of intellectual property and investments. trade talks have already been me
16:58:22 <boily> gamemanj: a random kanji hth
16:58:26 <\oren\>
16:58:44 <\oren\> •ffef not working
16:59:40 <gamemanj> I'm guessing this is the emoji for "injection needle": ሰ
17:02:43 <gamemanj> "intellectual property" aka "we want more money"
17:03:45 <\oren\> ϯ
17:04:21 <gamemanj> Is that a random character or a really fancy way of doing "^"?
17:04:42 <\oren\> Aha, hold down alt, then type numpad + followed by the hex code of the unicode char
17:05:07 <\oren\> then release alt
17:05:39 <gamemanj> huh. typing in "cat" with 7 for "t" gives me '§'.
17:05:52 <gamemanj> `unicode §
17:05:58 <HackEgo> U+00A7 SECTION SIGN \ UTF-8: c2 a7 UTF-16BE: 00a7 Decimal: &#167; \ § \ Category: Po (Punctuation, Other) \ Bidi: ON (Other Neutrals)
17:05:59 <\oren\>
17:06:17 <\oren\> that's uca7
17:06:25 <gamemanj> ok...
17:06:34 <gamemanj> odd, it ignored the "c"?
17:06:49 <\oren\> §
17:06:59 <\oren\> appears so
17:06:59 <gamemanj> ah, *don't* hold shift-ctrl during the actual typing of hex
17:07:10 <\oren\> unlike on windows
17:07:27 <int-e> `unicode ಧ
17:07:31 <HackEgo> U+0CA7 KANNADA LETTER DHA \ UTF-8: e0 b2 a7 UTF-16BE: 0ca7 Decimal: &#3239; \ ಧ \ Category: Lo (Letter, Other) \ Bidi: L (Left-to-Right)
17:07:34 <\oren\> interesting. the windows method requires flexible hands
17:08:27 <gamemanj> Well, they had to address the market for three-handed aliens.
17:08:32 <\oren\> wait, so you typed control-shift-c?
17:08:53 <\oren\> isn't that copy on linux?
17:09:06 <gamemanj> oren: Ctrl-Shift-U Ctrl-Shift-C Ctrl-Shift-A Ctrl-Shift-7 == uca7... and I'm not using a terminal.
17:09:22 <gamemanj> But apparently it ignored the "c".
17:10:18 <\oren\> d06 is ആ
17:11:10 <gamemanj> So apparently it didn't like me trying to enter in U+FFFFFFFF
17:11:24 <gamemanj> and it gave nothing.
17:12:08 <gamemanj> But apparently this is fine. 󿿿
17:12:24 <\oren\> `unidecode 󿿿
17:12:27 <HackEgo> U+FFFFF - No such unicode character name in database \ UTF-8: f3 bf bf bf UTF-16BE: dbbfdfff Decimal: &#1048575; \ 󿿿 (󿿿) \ Uppercase: U+FFFFF \ Category: Cn (Other, Not Assigned)
17:13:08 <\oren\> well the maximum unicode character is 10ffff i think
17:13:41 <\oren\> `unidecode 􏿿
17:13:44 <HackEgo> U+10FFFF - No such unicode character name in database \ UTF-8: f4 8f bf bf UTF-16BE: dbffdfff Decimal: &#1114111; \ 􏿿 (􏿿) \ Uppercase: U+10FFFF \ Category: Cn (Other, Not Assigned)
17:14:33 <\oren\> `unidecode 🿿
17:14:36 <HackEgo> U+1FFFF - No such unicode character name in database \ UTF-8: f0 9f bf bf UTF-16BE: d83fdfff Decimal: &#131071; \ 🿿 (🿿) \ Uppercase: U+1FFFF \ Category: Cn (Other, Not Assigned)
17:14:53 <\oren\> yeah it won't do 11ffff
17:21:26 <\oren\> ooh, I can type ㍿
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17:42:31 <b_jonas> jeeze we are such nerds
17:43:34 <b_jonas> poster writes a whimsical example of what you shouldn't do, and then we start to bikeshed the details of the whimsical example in a comment thread
17:45:51 <gamemanj> ?
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17:46:39 <gamemanj> hezzo38!
17:46:47 <gamemanj> (or however boily does those)
17:49:31 <shachaf> ais523: Yes, that's true.
17:50:03 <gamemanj> did I miss a message or something?
17:51:39 <b_jonas> Is the guy in http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=3225 someone we'd seen before?
17:53:44 <gamemanj> I don't recall any character like that...
17:55:28 <gamemanj> Reminder: "uneventful" == "events are about to happen"
18:00:23 <FireFly> \oren\: SQUARE CORPORATION eh, so Square has their own codepoint
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18:45:04 <zzo38> Do you like this?
18:45:45 <shachaf> zzo38: What is this?
18:46:46 <izabera> i found the most useful website in the history of useful websites
18:46:50 <izabera> http://www.animefillerlist.com
18:46:51 <zzo38> I mean in general
18:49:22 <b_jonas> gamemanj: ok
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19:03:39 <shachaf> copumpkin: congratulations on the covariance
19:04:55 <gamemanj> izabera: but... but I liked the filler...
19:05:00 <copumpkin> shachaf: thanks!
19:05:05 <copumpkin> I'm quite proud of it
19:05:07 <izabera> gamemanj: where
19:05:33 <izabera> i'm rewatching bleach and i'm after the first arc and i'm so glad i can skip the bount arc
19:05:51 <gamemanj> izabera: IDK. I'm just saying that to see what possible response I get.
19:07:15 <shachaf> copumpkin: what if i caused a book to be delivered to you so you don't have to read dubious online versions of a short story
19:07:56 <copumpkin> hah, I'd probably read it, but I could also just set aside time to read the online one. How long of a read is it?
19:08:33 <shachaf> All the good online versions have disappeared so now there are only terrible ones.
19:08:44 <gamemanj> And how is "filler" classed? An episode may have no bearing on the "main" plot, but time still goes on, and at the theoretical end of the "main plot", it will have had no bearing on that fact. Importance is relative.
19:08:47 <shachaf> Anyway is this story even worth all the trouble I put into it? Probably not.
19:09:11 <shachaf> http://www.ibooksonline.com/88/Text/liking.html
19:09:36 <gamemanj> There are on occasion differences between anime & manga continuities, and "filler" based on things not in the manga may actually be of more importance than it seems.
19:13:28 <shachaf> copumpkin: But the other stories in that book are good too.
19:13:47 <shachaf> copumpkin: So maybe you should read the whole book anyway.
19:19:00 <izabera> gamemanj: can you come up with an example?
19:20:51 <copumpkin> hah okay
19:20:56 <copumpkin> how long is the whole book?
19:22:23 <shachaf> 281 pages?
19:22:29 <shachaf> But it's all short stories.
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19:25:19 <boily> @metar CYUL
19:25:19 <lambdabot> CYUL 231800Z VRB04KT 30SM FEW240 25/03 A2995 RMK CI1 SLP143 DENSITY ALT 1200FT
19:25:31 <boily> such a beautiful day. it's summer at last!
19:26:40 <shachaf> I don't know where in VA copumpkin is.
19:26:43 <shachaf> @metar KORF
19:26:43 <lambdabot> KORF 231816Z AUTO 03012KT 10SM SCT016 BKN022 OVC034 17/13 A2991 RMK AO2 T01670128 TSNO
19:27:07 <copumpkin> shachaf: hah, gimme an amazon link and I'll throw it into my next ordr
19:27:31 <shachaf> @google stories of your life amazon
19:27:33 <lambdabot> http://www.amazon.com/Stories-Your-Life-Others-Chiang/dp/1931520720
19:27:33 <lambdabot> Title: Amazon.com: Stories of Your Life and Others (9781931520720): Ted Chiang: Books
19:27:35 <shachaf> hth
19:28:06 <copumpkin> whoa, not released yet
19:28:08 <shachaf> ?
19:28:11 <copumpkin> you were way ahead of your time
19:28:15 <copumpkin> http://www.amazon.com/Stories-Your-Life-Others-Chiang/dp/1101972122?ie=UTF8&qid=&ref_=tmm_pap_swatch_0&sr=
19:28:45 <shachaf> Oh, I guess that's the paperback.
19:28:56 <shachaf> No, the other one is also a paperback.
19:28:59 <shachaf> I guess it's a new edition?
19:29:13 <copumpkin> ah, it wasn't letting me buy the other one you linked to
19:29:13 <shachaf> This book is from 2002 or something.
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19:32:22 <boily> only 17° in Norfolk? it's 1 000 km south from here!
19:32:56 <boily> @metar ENVA
19:32:57 <lambdabot> ENVA 231820Z 29009KT 9999 FEW017 BKN025 08/05 Q1018 NOSIG RMK WIND 670FT 29014KT
19:33:23 <shachaf> copumpkin: Anyway my link is already available.
19:33:24 <gamemanj> boily: So a megametre then?
19:33:35 <copumpkin> shachaf: only second hand!
19:33:39 <boily> gamellomanj. nothing else.
19:33:53 <gamemanj> ?
19:34:06 <copumpkin> I suppose I could just get that
19:34:26 <copumpkin> or wait another couple of weeks for the new edition
19:34:32 <copumpkin> probabilistically I won't be reading it before then anyway
19:34:42 <shachaf> sptm
19:34:55 <shachaf> `? copumpkin
19:35:24 <HackEgo> copumpkin is categorically incapable of being president.
19:35:35 <shachaf> uh oh, that's out of date
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19:44:15 <shachaf> copumpkin: can you prove you weren't born in the united states though
19:44:28 <shachaf> otherwise we're voting for you
19:44:57 <gamemanj> Oh, and if you prove you're from England, then I'm tempted to vote for you in the next GE...
19:45:17 <gamemanj> You'd be better than the current bunch of clowns and fools
19:45:28 <shachaf> whoa whoa whoa
19:45:42 <shachaf> General Elections are conducted by General Electric
19:45:45 <gamemanj> ...
19:45:51 <gamemanj> what
19:45:56 <Phantom_Hoover> it's true
19:45:57 <copumpkin> shachaf: nope, sorry
19:45:58 <gamemanj> ...
19:46:04 <gamemanj> Do you take me for an idiot?
19:46:08 <copumpkin> I'm from BFVille Alambama
19:46:50 <Phantom_Hoover> gamemanj, i take you as having a bad sense of sarcasm
19:46:59 <shachaf> copumpkin: did we ever talk about chu spaces hth
19:47:15 <gamemanj> Phantom_Hoover: I assumed it was sarcastic before people started agreeing
19:52:04 <gamemanj> Where's "BFVille"?
19:52:23 <b_jonas> `? bfville
19:52:28 <HackEgo> bfville? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
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19:53:14 <gamemanj> Well, wisdom doesn't know about it... so it probably doesn't exist. (The Quantum Rule Of Wisdom says that anything that does exist retrospectively has a wisdom entry.)
19:53:25 <gamemanj> For example,
19:53:27 <gamemanj> `? carrots
19:53:33 <HackEgo> carrots? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
19:53:39 <gamemanj> Carrots do not exist.
19:54:44 <gamemanj> To be more precise, they stopped existing when a bunch of advertisers bought the last ones to take pictures to sell fake "carrot-like" food.
19:54:45 <\oren\> b_jonas: Chad is the guy who worked at the electronics store and declined to sell a microphone to a little girl
19:58:13 <\oren\> b_jonas: http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=3132
19:58:40 <b_jonas> \oren\: ah, thanks!
19:59:04 <gamemanj> Is it just me or did a QC update appear in between a few hours ago and now
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20:00:10 <b_jonas> \oren\: no wait, that can't work
20:00:41 <b_jonas> \oren\: Chad in #3132 has brown eyes, and the guy in http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=3225 has blue eyes. that's unlikely to have changed in the art upgrade
20:01:01 <b_jonas> I know I don't normally look at eye color, but in this case I have to
20:01:24 <gamemanj> Answer: Actor died, they replaced him, different eye colour. Don't question it.
20:01:39 <gamemanj> (This is quite obviously wrong.)
20:02:00 <b_jonas> gamemanj: not likely. unlike me, most people do care about eye color, so they'd use contact lenses or hire a different actor or post-process his eyes with computer.
20:03:51 <gamemanj> Another idea: Aha! Chad is a hallucination, and thus not consistent!
20:04:16 <int-e> also, beard
20:04:48 <gamemanj> Hallucination. Not consistent.
20:04:48 <int-e> it's not much, but Chad had facial hair.
20:05:06 <int-e> gamemanj: I don't believe in you.
20:05:22 <gamemanj> And yet I'm still here! Isn't continuity amazing?
20:05:41 <gamemanj> Also inertia.
20:05:55 <int-e> `? nitia
20:05:58 <HackEgo> nitia is the inventor of all things. The BBC invented her.
20:06:11 <int-e> I have to admit that inertia is kind of cool.
20:06:39 <gamemanj> Well, where would all of those "ship floating dramatically through space" shots be without it?
20:07:01 <int-e> Or planets, or the Sun.
20:07:18 <int-e> Where would they be? Who knows...
20:07:28 <gamemanj> They'd be very stuck!
20:07:38 <int-e> Or jumping around wildly.
20:08:19 <shachaf> int-e: Anything on the prisoner puzzle?
20:08:48 <gamemanj> Meh. The particulates that would otherwise bounce them around would probably have vacated the area long ago.
20:08:53 * int-e is just getting away from work.
20:09:16 * gamemanj pretends to be a labyrinth guard between int-e and int-e's domicile
20:11:00 <int-e> you need to put up some more substantial obstacle than a few pixels on my screen if you want to have any significant effect.
20:12:36 <gamemanj> int-e: If I am pretending to be a labyrinth guard, of one of the 3 varieties in which one always tells the truth, one always lies, and the last one flips a coin and bases their answer on that, and I tell you the door into your house is actually a portal into a land full of deadly lions... what would you do?
20:14:17 <b_jonas> fungot, if gamemanj is pretending to be a labyrinth guard, of one of the 3 varieties in which one always tells the truth, one always lies, and the last one flips a coin and bases their answer on that, and I tell you the door into your house is actually a portal into a land full of deadly lions... what would you do?
20:14:18 <fungot> b_jonas: i should like to say to our american partners a ceiling on compensation payments paid to workers. nevertheless, the committee on constitutional affairs has taken on huge proportions and catch the public imagination. i think it is truly deplorable that this should happen, that mr fava and mrs sanders-ten holte, first of all say that things have changed in afghanistan, they were able to arrive on time.
20:15:06 * gamemanj gives up pretending to be a labyrinth guard...
20:15:15 * gamemanj instead pretends to be a hyacinth. (What's a hyacinth? I don't know.)
20:15:36 <b_jonas> `? hyacinth
20:15:41 <HackEgo> hyacinth? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
20:16:23 <b_jonas> `ftoc 187
20:16:26 <HackEgo> 187.00°F = 86.11°C
20:16:40 <coppro> gamemanj: a kind of flower hth
20:16:40 <gamemanj> `ftoc 100
20:16:41 <HackEgo> 100.00°F = 37.78°C
20:17:23 <gamemanj> (In other news, they can't decide how hot a degree is...)
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20:43:19 <int-e> gamemanj: Are you a pot of petunias? I've read that those can turn into sperm whales.
20:43:34 <int-e> Or maybe vice versa, it's been a while.
20:43:55 <gamemanj> (no - I'm a pot containing hyacinth.)
20:44:07 <int-e> Too bad, I know nothing about those.
20:44:42 <int-e> Otoh that may improve your expected life span in the vicinity of Arthur.
20:44:45 <gamemanj> (*added to TODO : hitchhike on the back of a large whale.)
20:46:10 <gamemanj> (...interrupted task TODO:2016...! : busy doing task OFF... interrupted task OFF... busy doing task ZZO38CPU... interrupted task ZZO38CPU... busy doing task UNK283... interrupted task UNK283... busy doing TODO:2016...)
20:46:14 <int-e> It appears I'm not remembering things correctly.
20:46:25 <gamemanj> (at this rate I'm going to give up trying to keep track of my TODOs)
20:46:46 <int-e> The sperm whale was related to, but not the same entity as, the pot of petunias.
20:47:15 <gamemanj> (Did they happen to have a previous form in the shape of a missile and another missile respectively?)
20:47:31 <int-e> '"Then what's happened to the missiles?" he said. [...] "They would appear," said Ford doubtfully, "to have turned into a bowl of petunias and a very surprised looking whale ..."
20:48:50 <int-e> anyway, prisoners, hmm
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20:54:04 <int-e> shachaf: why did you ask?
20:55:58 <shachaf> int-e: rntz asked
20:56:24 <int-e> ok, but I knew that.
20:56:25 <int-e> :P
20:58:13 <b_jonas> `? troll
20:58:16 <int-e> it's not so hard to come up with strategies but I have no clue how to get expected values out of them.
20:58:18 <HackEgo> troll? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
20:58:33 <b_jonas> what
20:58:42 <int-e> `le/rn troll/These are not the trolls you are looking for.
20:58:50 <HackEgo> Learned «troll»
21:00:00 <int-e> `? yeti
21:00:03 <HackEgo> yeti? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
21:00:46 <b_jonas> `? sasquatch
21:00:46 <int-e> `` sed -i s/troll/yeti/ wisdom/troll; mv wisdom/troll wisdom/yeti
21:01:09 <int-e> it's still bad, but better with the pun :-P
21:01:20 <HackEgo> No output.
21:01:22 <HackEgo> sasquatch? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
21:03:02 <gamemanj> `? yeti
21:03:04 <HackEgo> These are not the yetis you are looking for.
21:03:53 <b_jonas> `? tungsten
21:03:55 <HackEgo> tungsten? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
21:04:30 <b_jonas> `? palladium
21:04:32 <HackEgo> palladium? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
21:04:35 <b_jonas> `? platinum
21:04:37 <HackEgo> platinum? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
21:04:37 <b_jonas> `? iridium
21:04:39 <HackEgo> iridium? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
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21:07:32 <b_jonas> ``` cd wisdom && find -iname "*gold*|*silver*|*copper*|*mercur*|*iron*|*tin*|*lead*|*zinc*|*um"
21:07:35 <HackEgo> No output.
21:09:36 <izabera> -iname uses globs
21:09:42 <b_jonas> yeah, | doesn't work
21:09:42 <izabera> | matches a literal |
21:10:04 <izabera> use -iname pattern1 -o -iname pattern2
21:10:21 <b_jonas> ``` cd wisdom && perl -E 'say for glob split /\|/, "*gold*|*silver*|*copper*|*mercur*|*iron*|*tin*|*lead*|*zinc*|*um"'
21:10:23 <HackEgo> 9
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21:10:31 <b_jonas> what
21:10:36 <b_jonas> ``` cd wisdom && perl -E 'say $_ for glob split /\|/, "*gold*|*silver*|*copper*|*mercur*|*iron*|*tin*|*lead*|*zinc*|*um"'
21:10:37 <HackEgo> 9
21:10:40 <b_jonas> huh
21:10:46 <b_jonas> ``` cd wisdom && perl -E 'say join " ", glob split /\|/, "*gold*|*silver*|*copper*|*mercur*|*iron*|*tin*|*lead*|*zinc*|*um"'
21:10:47 <HackEgo> 9
21:11:01 <b_jonas> ``` cd wisdom && perl -E 'say join " ", map glob, split /\|/, "*gold*|*silver*|*copper*|*mercur*|*iron*|*tin*|*lead*|*zinc*|*um"'
21:11:06 <HackEgo> extreme ironing extreme irony iron general accounting estin latin poutine procrastination te sting testing trisecting the angle webcarting amnesium corium lorem ipsum qzyzzalroum rhenium
21:11:11 <b_jonas> better
21:11:17 <b_jonas> `? extreme irony
21:11:19 <HackEgo> Extreme irony is what happens when you get a Darwin award for extreme ironing.
21:11:45 <b_jonas> `? te sting
21:11:47 <HackEgo> This is horrible?
21:11:56 <b_jonas> `? estin
21:11:57 <HackEgo> estin didn't believe in automation.
21:12:06 <b_jonas> `? corium
21:12:08 <HackEgo> Corium is the material that a nuclear reactor's core dump is made of.
21:12:10 <b_jonas> `? qzuzzalorum
21:12:11 <HackEgo> qzuzzalorum? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
21:12:12 <b_jonas> `? rhenium
21:12:14 <HackEgo> Rhenium is a precious metal. It can be found nowhere in Earth because the Enemy has used up all of it for forging the One Ring.
21:12:35 <boily> `? qzizzalroum
21:12:37 <HackEgo> qzizzalroum? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
21:12:45 <boily> `` ls wisdom/q*
21:12:48 <HackEgo> wisdom/qdb \ wisdom/quadrilateral \ wisdom/quebec \ wisdom/québec \ wisdom/quine \ wisdom/quintopia \ wisdom/quit \ wisdom/quote \ wisdom/quoteformat \ wisdom/qzyzzalroum
21:13:03 <boily> `? qzyzzalroum
21:13:04 <HackEgo> You should start the crossword over.
21:13:21 * boily needs to update the PDF again...
21:14:59 <b_jonas> boily: why bother, there's not much new wisdom entries apart from my silly ones
21:15:17 <shachaf> `wisdom
21:15:18 <shachaf> `wisdom
21:15:18 <shachaf> `wisdom
21:15:18 <shachaf> `wisdom
21:15:19 <shachaf> `wisdom
21:15:55 <boily> b_jonas: the Wisdom is Universal. and Silly. it's Universilly hth
21:16:00 <HackEgo> al gore//Al Gore invented the algorithm and the internet.
21:16:04 <HackEgo> char//Char is a prominent component of charcoal.
21:16:05 <boily> hellochaf. please don't molest HackEgo hth
21:16:08 <HackEgo> No output.
21:16:10 <HackEgo> duck//Duck typing means typing on a terminal blinding without an echo.
21:16:12 <HackEgo> jit//JIT is just in time.
21:17:40 <shachaf> boily: i don't think that's a good analogy to use here
21:18:39 <shachaf> `? monoids
21:18:42 <HackEgo> Monoids are just categories with single objects.
21:20:21 * boily doesn't use the analogy
21:20:48 <shachaf> metaphor
21:21:15 <b_jonas> `? analogy
21:21:17 <b_jonas> `? metaphor
21:21:17 <HackEgo> analogy? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
21:21:18 <HackEgo> metaphor? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
21:22:21 <b_jonas> `? hyperbole
21:22:23 <HackEgo> hyperbole? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
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21:26:55 <irctc796> Hello
21:27:00 <irctc796> anybody here?
21:27:06 <irctc796> is this a real chat?
21:27:22 <irctc796> oh shit this is so boring
21:27:23 <irctc796> bye bye
21:27:26 <shachaf> `welcome irctc796
21:27:29 <shachaf> bye bye
21:27:30 <HackEgo> irctc796: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: <http://esolangs.org/>. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.)
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21:39:31 <zzo38> I thought one way I should to do high resolution is the high mode bit controls double horizontal and double vertical resolution frame rate but monochrome, enabling a separate output circuit, that can output four pixels in place of just one. So it is 1280x960 resolution. Some other stuff is also changed in such mode.
21:39:52 <zzo38> (Some of these other changes allow to make more tiles per line)
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21:41:46 <b_jonas> `? in
21:41:48 <HackEgo> In 1492 Columbus sailed the ocean blue.
21:45:59 <b_jonas> `? ᛁᚾ
21:46:00 <HackEgo> ​ᛁᚾ? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
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21:49:11 <boily> `? -- --- .-. ... .
21:49:13 <HackEgo> ​-- --- .-. ... .? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
21:49:33 <boily> `? morse
21:49:34 <HackEgo> morse? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
21:51:30 <boily> `le/rn morse/- .... . / .-- .- .-.. .-. ..- ... / .. ... / .- / .-.. .- .-. --. . / ..-. .-.. .. .--. .--. . .-. . -.. / -- .- .-. .. -. . / -- .- -- -- .- .-..
21:51:34 <HackEgo> Learned «morse»
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21:58:39 <boily> `le/rn morse/-- ..- .-. ... ..- / --- -. / ... ..- ..- .-. .. -.- --- -.- --- .. -. . -. / ..-. . ... .. . .-.. .-.- -- .-.- .-.- -. / ... --- .--. . ..- - ..- -. ..- - / .- .-. -.- - .. -. . -. / -. ... .-.- -.- .-.- ... .-.. .- .--- ..
21:58:43 <HackEgo> Relearned «morse»
21:59:03 <boily> better. at least it has mursu.
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22:11:50 <boily> hppävellön[1].
22:13:07 <shachaf> `quote
22:13:08 <shachaf> `quote
22:13:08 <shachaf> `quote
22:13:09 <shachaf> `quote
22:13:09 <shachaf> `quote
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22:13:32 <HackEgo> 1040) <shachaf> your first mistake was making your second mistake
22:13:34 <HackEgo> 508) <Phantom_Hoover> It is like the Holocaust but with Nazis.
22:13:38 <HackEgo> 915) <olsner> as long as you're in company where no-one knows both, you can always say either "that's just like welsh ll" or "that's just like klingon tlh"
22:13:38 <HackEgo> 314) <zzo38> I figured out something about C program. If you use ? : a lot then you don't need as much parentheses but it makes it more difficult to understand.
22:13:39 <HackEgo> 284) <oklopol> esperanto is just spanish with a diarrhea
22:16:02 <ais523> I like 1040
22:16:22 <ais523> it reminds me of timing issues in NetHack
22:18:54 <shachaf> What timing issues?
22:19:01 <hppavilion[1]> Has anybody implemented an emulator for https://xkcd.com/1442/ yet??
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22:19:57 <shachaf> emu later, alligator
22:20:51 * boily thwacks shachaf
22:21:13 <shachaf> come on
22:22:58 <int-e> okay, simulation indicates that I can get the prisoners out after 21k visits to the room... and I have no clue what I'm doing exactly, so it's very likely that this is still far from optimal.
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22:23:14 <int-e> rntz: ^^
22:24:07 <shachaf> Random order, no counting days, everyone uses same strategy?
22:24:13 <int-e> yes
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22:27:11 <int-e> http://sprunge.us/EHdZ is my "framework"
22:29:22 <boily> amulets of regeneration boost metabolism. does the same thing happen with amulets of magic regeneration?
22:30:36 <shachaf> Do amulets of restful sleep boost somnambulism?
22:31:32 <b_jonas> `learn ᛁᚿ ᛋᚿᛅᚠᚠᛚᛚᛋ ᛁᚮᚴᚢᛚᛁᛋ ᚴᛦᛆᛏᛅᛦᛅᛘ ᚴᛅᛘ ᚦᛅᛚᛁᛒᛆᛏ ᚢᛘᛒᛦᛆ ᛋᚴᛆᛦᛏᛆᛦᛁᛋ ᛁᚢᛚᛁᛁ ᛁᚿᛏᛦᛆ ᚴᛆᛚᛅᚿᚦᛆᛋ ᚦᛅᛋᚴᛅᚿᚦᛅ, ᛆᚢᚦᛆᛋ ᚢᛁᛆᛏᚮᛦ, ᛏᛅ ᛏᛅᛦᛦᛅᛋᛏᛦᛅ ᚴᛅᚿᛏᛦᚢᛘ ᛆᛏᛏᛁᚿgᛅᛋ. ᚴᚮᚦ ᚠᛅᚴᛁ. ᛆᛦᚿᛅ ᛋᛆᚴᚿᚢᛋᛋᛅᛯ
22:31:41 <HackEgo> Learned 'ᛁᚿ': ᛁᚿ ᛋᚿᛅᚠᚠᛚᛚᛋ ᛁᚮᚴᚢᛚᛁᛋ ᚴᛦᛆᛏᛅᛦᛅᛘ ᚴᛅᛘ ᚦᛅᛚᛁᛒᛆᛏ ᚢᛘᛒᛦᛆ ᛋᚴᛆᛦᛏᛆᛦᛁᛋ ᛁᚢᛚᛁᛁ ᛁᚿᛏᛦᛆ ᚴᛆᛚᛅᚿᚦᛆᛋ ᚦᛅᛋᚴᛅᚿᚦᛅ, ᛆᚢᚦᛆᛋ ᚢᛁᛆᛏᚮᛦ, ᛏᛅ ᛏᛅᛦᛦᛅᛋᛏᛦᛅ ᚴᛅᚿᛏᛦᚢᛘ
22:31:55 <shachaf> come on
22:31:57 <b_jonas> Does someone know unicode encoding of futhark of different ages and can help with the encoding of some particular letters?
22:32:17 <int-e> shachaf: that link was for you ... it embodies the rules that I implemented :)
22:32:43 <shachaf> Yes, I saw.
22:33:03 <b_jonas> The original writing is in https://fr.wikisource.org/wiki/Voyage_au_centre_de_la_Terre/Chapitre_2 , with the transcription to latin letters in https://fr.wikisource.org/wiki/Voyage_au_centre_de_la_Terre/Chapitre_3 and the decoding of the cipher in https://fr.wikisource.org/wiki/Voyage_au_centre_de_la_Terre/Chapitre_5
22:33:19 <shachaf> Hmm, is the problem solvable if you don't know N?
22:33:26 <int-e> nope
22:34:07 <shachaf> Right. Makes sense.
22:34:21 <b_jonas> ouch, that's truncated
22:34:28 <b_jonas> `? ᛁᚿ
22:34:30 <HackEgo> ​ᛁᚿ ᛋᚿᛅᚠᚠᛚᛚᛋ ᛁᚮᚴᚢᛚᛁᛋ ᚴᛦᛆᛏᛅᛦᛅᛘ ᚴᛅᛘ ᚦᛅᛚᛁᛒᛆᛏ ᚢᛘᛒᛦᛆ ᛋᚴᛆᛦᛏᛆᛦᛁᛋ ᛁᚢᛚᛁᛁ ᛁᚿᛏᛦᛆ ᚴᛆᛚᛅᚿᚦᛆᛋ ᚦᛅᛋᚴᛅᚿᚦᛅ, ᛆᚢᚦᛆᛋ ᚢᛁᛆᛏᚮᛦ, ᛏᛅ ᛏᛅᛦᛦᛅᛋᛏᛦᛅ ᚴᛅᚿᛏᛦᚢᛘ ᛆᛏᛏᛁᚿg
22:34:40 <shachaf> Oh, you're starting the light off.
22:34:57 <b_jonas> ``` >> wisdom/ᛁᚿ ᛅᛋ. ᚴᚮᚦ ᚠᛅᚴᛁ. ᛆᛦᚿᛅ ᛋᛆᚴᚿᚢᛋᛋᛅᛯ
22:34:58 <HackEgo> bash: $'\341\233\205\341\233\213.': command not found
22:35:08 <b_jonas> ``` >> wisdom/ᛁᚿ 'ᛅᛋ. ᚴᚮᚦ ᚠᛅᚴᛁ. ᛆᛦᚿᛅ ᛋᛆᚴᚿᚢᛋᛋᛅᛯ'
22:35:09 <HackEgo> bash: $'\341\233\205\341\233\213. \341\232\264\341\232\256\341\232\246 \341\232\240\341\233\205\341\232\264\341\233\201. \341\233\206\341\233\246\341\232\277\341\233\205 \341\233\213\341\233\206\341\232\264\341\232\277\341\232\242\341\233\213\341\233\213\341\233\205\341\233\257': command not found
22:35:15 <b_jonas> ``` >> wisdom/ᛁᚿ echo 'ᛅᛋ. ᚴᚮᚦ ᚠᛅᚴᛁ. ᛆᛦᚿᛅ ᛋᛆᚴᚿᚢᛋᛋᛅᛯ'
22:35:18 <HackEgo> No output.
22:35:21 <b_jonas> `? ᛁᚿ
22:35:24 <HackEgo> ​ᛁᚿ ᛋᚿᛅᚠᚠᛚᛚᛋ ᛁᚮᚴᚢᛚᛁᛋ ᚴᛦᛆᛏᛅᛦᛅᛘ ᚴᛅᛘ ᚦᛅᛚᛁᛒᛆᛏ ᚢᛘᛒᛦᛆ ᛋᚴᛆᛦᛏᛆᛦᛁᛋ ᛁᚢᛚᛁᛁ ᛁᚿᛏᛦᛆ ᚴᛆᛚᛅᚿᚦᛆᛋ ᚦᛅᛋᚴᛅᚿᚦᛅ, ᛆᚢᚦᛆᛋ ᚢᛁᛆᛏᚮᛦ, ᛏᛅ ᛏᛅᛦᛦᛅᛋᛏᛦᛅ ᚴᛅᚿᛏᛦᚢᛘ ᛆᛏᛏᛁᚿg
22:35:30 <b_jonas> is it too long for an irk line?
22:35:52 <b_jonas> ``` sed 's/^.{300}// wisdom/ᛁᚿ
22:35:53 <HackEgo> bash: -c: line 0: unexpected EOF while looking for matching `'' \ bash: -c: line 1: syntax error: unexpected end of file
22:35:55 <int-e> shachaf: Perhaps if you change the problem to getting out with at least 99.99% certainty... so the real problem becomes statistically establishing how many prisoners there are in total... of course that's totally different in flavor from the original.
22:35:58 <b_jonas> ``` sed 's/^.{300}//' wisdom/ᛁᚿ
22:35:59 <HackEgo> ​ᛁᚿ ᛋᚿᛅᚠᚠᛚᛚᛋ ᛁᚮᚴᚢᛚᛁᛋ ᚴᛦᛆᛏᛅᛦᛅᛘ ᚴᛅᛘ ᚦᛅᛚᛁᛒᛆᛏ ᚢᛘᛒᛦᛆ ᛋᚴᛆᛦᛏᛆᛦᛁᛋ ᛁᚢᛚᛁᛁ ᛁᚿᛏᛦᛆ ᚴᛆᛚᛅᚿᚦᛆᛋ ᚦᛅᛋᚴᛅᚿᚦᛅ, ᛆᚢᚦᛆᛋ ᚢᛁᛆᛏᚮᛦ, ᛏᛅ ᛏᛅᛦᛦᛅᛋᛏᛦᛅ ᚴᛅᚿᛏᛦᚢᛘ ᛆᛏᛏᛁᚿg
22:36:13 <b_jonas> ``` sed 's/^.{200}//' wisdom/ᛁᚿ
22:36:14 <fizzie> b_jonas: It's probably too long for a HackEgo line, maybe also for an IRC line as well.
22:36:15 <HackEgo> ​ᛁᚿ ᛋᚿᛅᚠᚠᛚᛚᛋ ᛁᚮᚴᚢᛚᛁᛋ ᚴᛦᛆᛏᛅᛦᛅᛘ ᚴᛅᛘ ᚦᛅᛚᛁᛒᛆᛏ ᚢᛘᛒᛦᛆ ᛋᚴᛆᛦᛏᛆᛦᛁᛋ ᛁᚢᛚᛁᛁ ᛁᚿᛏᛦᛆ ᚴᛆᛚᛅᚿᚦᛆᛋ ᚦᛅᛋᚴᛅᚿᚦᛅ, ᛆᚢᚦᛆᛋ ᚢᛁᛆᛏᚮᛦ, ᛏᛅ ᛏᛅᛦᛦᛅᛋᛏᛦᛅ ᚴᛅᚿᛏᛦᚢᛘ ᛆᛏᛏᛁᚿg
22:36:25 <b_jonas> what
22:36:29 <b_jonas> ``` sed 's/^.{200,210}//' wisdom/ᛁᚿ
22:36:30 <HackEgo> ​ᛁᚿ ᛋᚿᛅᚠᚠᛚᛚᛋ ᛁᚮᚴᚢᛚᛁᛋ ᚴᛦᛆᛏᛅᛦᛅᛘ ᚴᛅᛘ ᚦᛅᛚᛁᛒᛆᛏ ᚢᛘᛒᛦᛆ ᛋᚴᛆᛦᛏᛆᛦᛁᛋ ᛁᚢᛚᛁᛁ ᛁᚿᛏᛦᛆ ᚴᛆᛚᛅᚿᚦᛆᛋ ᚦᛅᛋᚴᛅᚿᚦᛅ, ᛆᚢᚦᛆᛋ ᚢᛁᛆᛏᚮᛦ, ᛏᛅ ᛏᛅᛦᛦᛅᛋᛏᛦᛅ ᚴᛅᚿᛏᛦᚢᛘ ᛆᛏᛏᛁᚿg
22:36:39 <fizzie> From this perspective, your original comment ended in "--gᛅᛋ. ᚴᚮᚦ ᚠᛅᚴᛁ. ᛆᛦᚿᛅ ᛋᛆᚴᚿᚢᛋᛋᛅᛯ"
22:36:46 <b_jonas> fizzie: yes, that looks fine
22:37:02 <b_jonas> ``` sed 's/^.\{300\}//' wisdom/ᛁᚿ
22:37:03 <HackEgo> ​›á›¦á›… ᚴᛅᚿᛏᛦᚢᛘ ᛆᛏᛏᛁᚿgᛅᛋ. ᚴᚮᚦ ᚠᛅᚴᛁ. ᛆᛦᚿᛅ ᛋᛆᚴᚿᚢᛋᛋᛅᛯ \ ᛅᛋ. ᚴᚮᚦ ᚠᛅᚴᛁ. ᛆᛦᚿᛅ ᛋᛆᚴᚿᚢᛋᛋᛅᛯ
22:37:16 <b_jonas> ouch, appended twice
22:37:18 <b_jonas> let's start again
22:37:38 <int-e> can you use `fetch?
22:37:46 <b_jonas> ``` echo 'ᛁᚿ ᛋᚿᛅᚠᚠᛚᛚᛋ ᛁᚮᚴᚢᛚᛁᛋ ᚴᛦᛆᛏᛅᛦᛅᛘ ᚴᛅᛘ ᚦᛅᛚᛁᛒᛆᛏ ᚢᛘᛒᛦᛆ ᛋᚴᛆᛦᛏᛆᛦᛁᛋ ᛁᚢᛚᛁᛁ ᛁᚿᛏᛦᛆ ᚴᛆᛚᛅᚿᚦᛆᛋ ' > wisdom/ᛁᚿ
22:37:50 <HackEgo> No output.
22:37:57 <fizzie> I'm guessing it was just fine after the original learn, just truncated on output.
22:38:00 <b_jonas> ``` echo 'ᚦᛅᛋᚴᛅᚿᚦᛅ, ᛆᚢᚦᛆᛋ ᚢᛁᛆᛏᚮᛦ, ᛏᛅ ᛏᛅᛦᛦᛅᛋᛏᛦᛅ ᚴᛅᚿᛏᛦᚢᛘ ᛆᛏᛏᛁᚿgᛅᛋ. ᚴᚮᚦ ᚠᛅᚴᛁ. ᛆᛦᚿᛅ ᛋᛆᚴᚿᚢᛋᛋᛅᛯ ' >> wisdom/ᛁᚿ
22:38:08 <HackEgo> No output.
22:38:10 <b_jonas> `? ᛁᚿ
22:38:13 <HackEgo> ​ᛁᚿ ᛋᚿᛅᚠᚠᛚᛚᛋ ᛁᚮᚴᚢᛚᛁᛋ ᚴᛦᛆᛏᛅᛦᛅᛘ ᚴᛅᛘ ᚦᛅᛚᛁᛒᛆᛏ ᚢᛘᛒᛦᛆ ᛋᚴᛆᛦᛏᛆᛦᛁᛋ ᛁᚢᛚᛁᛁ ᛁᚿᛏᛦᛆ ᚴᛆᛚᛅᚿᚦᛆᛋ \ ᚦᛅᛋᚴᛅᚿᚦᛅ, ᛆᚢᚦᛆᛋ ᚢᛁᛆᛏᚮᛦ, ᛏᛅ ᛏᛅᛦᛦᛅᛋᛏᛦᛅ ᚴᛅᚿᛏᛦᚢᛘ ᛆᛏᛏᛁ
22:38:28 <b_jonas> ``` sed 's/^.\{250\}//' wisdom/ᛁᚿ
22:38:30 <HackEgo> ​ᛁᚿ ᛋᚿᛅᚠᚠᛚᛚᛋ ᛁᚮᚴᚢᛚᛁᛋ ᚴᛦᛆᛏᛅᛦᛅᛘ ᚴᛅᛘ ᚦᛅᛚᛁᛒᛆᛏ ᚢᛘᛒᛦᛆ ᛋᚴᛆᛦᛏᛆᛦᛁᛋ ᛁᚢᛚᛁᛁ ᛁᚿᛏᛦᛆ ᚴᛆᛚᛅᚿᚦᛆᛋ \ ᚦᛅᛋᚴᛅᚿᚦᛅ, ᛆᚢᚦᛆᛋ ᚢᛁᛆᛏᚮᛦ, ᛏᛅ ᛏᛅᛦᛦᛅᛋᛏᛦᛅ ᚴᛅᚿᛏᛦᚢᛘ ᛆᛏᛏᛁ
22:38:46 <b_jonas> ``` sed 's/^.\{250,255\}//' wisdom/ᛁᚿ
22:38:47 <HackEgo> ​ᛁᚿ ᛋᚿᛅᚠᚠᛚᛚᛋ ᛁᚮᚴᚢᛚᛁᛋ ᚴᛦᛆᛏᛅᛦᛅᛘ ᚴᛅᛘ ᚦᛅᛚᛁᛒᛆᛏ ᚢᛘᛒᛦᛆ ᛋᚴᛆᛦᛏᛆᛦᛁᛋ ᛁᚢᛚᛁᛁ ᛁᚿᛏᛦᛆ ᚴᛆᛚᛅᚿᚦᛆᛋ \ ᚦᛅᛋᚴᛅᚿᚦᛅ, ᛆᚢᚦᛆᛋ ᚢᛁᛆᛏᚮᛦ, ᛏᛅ ᛏᛅᛦᛦᛅᛋᛏᛦᛅ ᚴᛅᚿᛏᛦᚢᛘ ᛆᛏᛏᛁ
22:38:51 <b_jonas> what again?
22:39:18 <fizzie> http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/rev/5bc430607e2b was the initial `learn.
22:39:25 <fizzie> It looks to me to contain everything you said.
22:39:36 <b_jonas> ``` perl -e '$_=<STDIN>; print $_' < wisdom/ᛁᚿ
22:39:38 <HackEgo> ​ᛁᚿ ᛋᚿᛅᚠᚠᛚᛚᛋ ᛁᚮᚴᚢᛚᛁᛋ ᚴᛦᛆᛏᛅᛦᛅᛘ ᚴᛅᛘ ᚦᛅᛚᛁᛒᛆᛏ ᚢᛘᛒᛦᛆ ᛋᚴᛆᛦᛏᛆᛦᛁᛋ ᛁᚢᛚᛁᛁ ᛁᚿᛏᛦᛆ ᚴᛆᛚᛅᚿᚦᛆᛋ
22:39:39 <shachaf> int-e: Right.
22:39:45 <b_jonas> ``` perl -e '$_=<STDIN>; print substr $_,200' < wisdom/ᛁᚿ
22:39:47 <HackEgo> ​š¿áš¦á›†á›‹
22:39:53 <b_jonas> ``` perl -e '$_=<STDIN>; print substr $_,201' < wisdom/ᛁᚿ
22:39:55 <HackEgo> ​¿áš¦á›†á›‹
22:39:58 <b_jonas> ``` perl -e '$_=<STDIN>; print substr $_,202' < wisdom/ᛁᚿ
22:40:00 <HackEgo> ​ᚦᛆᛋ
22:40:03 <b_jonas> huh
22:40:13 <b_jonas> ``` perl -v
22:40:16 <HackEgo> ​ \ This is perl 5, version 14, subversion 2 (v5.14.2) built for x86_64-linux-gnu-thread-multi \ (with 88 registered patches, see perl -V for more detail) \ \ Copyright 1987-2011, Larry Wall \ \ Perl may be copied only under the terms of either the Artistic License or the \ GNU General Public License, which may be found in the Perl 5 source kit
22:40:24 <b_jonas> argh
22:40:36 <b_jonas> someone help
22:40:37 <b_jonas> anyway
22:41:33 <b_jonas> I'd like to know if the two different looking runes used for c/k are different characters, whether ᛯ is the right encoding for the mm, what the encodings are for the g rune, the comma and the dot (those might not be runes actually), whether the strange shape for the a in the "attinges" is significant,
22:41:50 <b_jonas> and how to encode the d rune for which I used ᚦ here
22:42:12 <b_jonas> Someone who knows their futhark please help.
22:42:27 <b_jonas> ``` cat wisdom/ᛁᚿ
22:42:29 <HackEgo> ​ᛁᚿ ᛋᚿᛅᚠᚠᛚᛚᛋ ᛁᚮᚴᚢᛚᛁᛋ ᚴᛦᛆᛏᛅᛦᛅᛘ ᚴᛅᛘ ᚦᛅᛚᛁᛒᛆᛏ ᚢᛘᛒᛦᛆ ᛋᚴᛆᛦᛏᛆᛦᛁᛋ ᛁᚢᛚᛁᛁ ᛁᚿᛏᛦᛆ ᚴᛆᛚᛅᚿᚦᛆᛋ \ ᚦᛅᛋᚴᛅᚿᚦᛅ, ᛆᚢᚦᛆᛋ ᚢᛁᛆᛏᚮᛦ, ᛏᛅ ᛏᛅᛦᛦᛅᛋᛏᛦᛅ ᚴᛅᚿᛏᛦᚢᛘ ᛆᛏᛏᛁ
22:42:59 <shachaf> b_jonas: I think you might be spamming the channel a bit.
22:43:14 <shachaf> Why do you want this wisdom entry in the first place?
22:43:16 <b_jonas> shachaf: yeah, I know, but if I try to learn outside the channel then you get annoyed for that
22:43:26 <b_jonas> shachaf: it's a nice inscription, and sounds wise
22:44:09 <b_jonas> ``` echo "${!PERL@}"
22:44:10 <HackEgo> No output.
22:44:45 <b_jonas> but I'll try verifying the entry in private
22:46:58 <b_jonas> oh, I see
22:47:01 <b_jonas> I got a newline in there
22:47:19 <b_jonas> ``` >wisdom/ᛁᚿ echo 'ᛁᚿ ᛋᚿᛅᚠᚠᛚᛚᛋ ᛁᚮᚴᚢᛚᛁᛋ ᚴᛦᛆᛏᛅᛦᛅᛘ ᚴᛅᛘ ᚦᛅᛚᛁᛒᛆᛏ ᚢᛘᛒᛦᛆ ᛋᚴᛆᛦᛏᛆᛦᛁᛋ ᛁᚢᛚᛁᛁ ᛁᚿᛏᛦᛆ ᚴᛆᛚᛅᚿᚦᛆᛋ '
22:47:23 <HackEgo> No output.
22:47:33 <b_jonas> ``` >>wisdom/ᛁᚿ echo 'ᚦᛅᛋᚴᛅᚿᚦᛅ, ᛆᚢᚦᛆᛋ ᚢᛁᛆᛏᚮᛦ, ᛏᛅ ᛏᛅᛦᛦᛅᛋᛏᛦᛅ ᚴᛅᚿᛏᛦᚢᛘ ᛆᛏᛏᛁᚿgᛅᛋ. ᚴᚮᚦ ᚠᛅᚴᛁ. ᛆᛦᚿᛅ ᛋᛆᚴᚿᚢᛋᛋᛅᛯ '
22:47:37 <HackEgo> No output.
22:47:44 <b_jonas> ``` perl -e 'local$/;$t=<STDIN>;print $t' < wisdom/ᛁᚿ
22:47:45 <HackEgo> ​ᛁᚿ ᛋᚿᛅᚠᚠᛚᛚᛋ ᛁᚮᚴᚢᛚᛁᛋ ᚴᛦᛆᛏᛅᛦᛅᛘ ᚴᛅᛘ ᚦᛅᛚᛁᛒᛆᛏ ᚢᛘᛒᛦᛆ ᛋᚴᛆᛦᛏᛆᛦᛁᛋ ᛁᚢᛚᛁᛁ ᛁᚿᛏᛦᛆ ᚴᛆᛚᛅᚿᚦᛆᛋ \ ᚦᛅᛋᚴᛅᚿᚦᛅ, ᛆᚢᚦᛆᛋ ᚢᛁᛆᛏᚮᛦ, ᛏᛅ ᛏᛅᛦᛦᛅᛋᛏᛦᛅ ᚴᛅᚿᛏᛦᚢᛘ ᛆᛏᛏᛁ
22:47:48 <b_jonas> ``` perl -e 'local$/;$t=<STDIN>;print substr$t,300' < wisdom/ᛁᚿ
22:47:49 <HackEgo> ​ᛏᛦᛅ ᚴᛅᚿᛏᛦᚢᛘ ᛆᛏᛏᛁᚿgᛅᛋ. ᚴᚮᚦ ᚠᛅᚴᛁ. ᛆᛦᚿᛅ ᛋᛆᚴᚿᚢᛋᛋᛅᛯ
22:47:53 <b_jonas> no no no
22:47:57 <b_jonas> ``` >wisdom/ᛁᚿ echo -n 'ᛁᚿ ᛋᚿᛅᚠᚠᛚᛚᛋ ᛁᚮᚴᚢᛚᛁᛋ ᚴᛦᛆᛏᛅᛦᛅᛘ ᚴᛅᛘ ᚦᛅᛚᛁᛒᛆᛏ ᚢᛘᛒᛦᛆ ᛋᚴᛆᛦᛏᛆᛦᛁᛋ ᛁᚢᛚᛁᛁ ᛁᚿᛏᛦᛆ ᚴᛆᛚᛅᚿᚦᛆᛋ '
22:47:59 <HackEgo> No output.
22:48:04 <b_jonas> ``` >>wisdom/ᛁᚿ echo -n 'ᚦᛅᛋᚴᛅᚿᚦᛅ, ᛆᚢᚦᛆᛋ ᚢᛁᛆᛏᚮᛦ, ᛏᛅ ᛏᛅᛦᛦᛅᛋᛏᛦᛅ ᚴᛅᚿᛏᛦᚢᛘ ᛆᛏᛏᛁᚿgᛅᛋ. ᚴᚮᚦ ᚠᛅᚴᛁ. ᛆᛦᚿᛅ ᛋᛆᚴᚿᚢᛋᛋᛅᛯ '
22:48:06 <HackEgo> No output.
22:48:09 <b_jonas> ``` perl -e 'local$/;$t=<STDIN>;print $t' < wisdom/ᛁᚿ
22:48:11 <HackEgo> ​ᛁᚿ ᛋᚿᛅᚠᚠᛚᛚᛋ ᛁᚮᚴᚢᛚᛁᛋ ᚴᛦᛆᛏᛅᛦᛅᛘ ᚴᛅᛘ ᚦᛅᛚᛁᛒᛆᛏ ᚢᛘᛒᛦᛆ ᛋᚴᛆᛦᛏᛆᛦᛁᛋ ᛁᚢᛚᛁᛁ ᛁᚿᛏᛦᛆ ᚴᛆᛚᛅᚿᚦᛆᛋ ᚦᛅᛋᚴᛅᚿᚦᛅ, ᛆᚢᚦᛆᛋ ᚢᛁᛆᛏᚮᛦ, ᛏᛅ ᛏᛅᛦᛦᛅᛋᛏᛦᛅ ᚴᛅᚿᛏᛦᚢᛘ ᛆᛏᛏᛁᚿg
22:48:13 <b_jonas> ``` perl -e 'local$/;$t=<STDIN>;print substr$t,300' < wisdom/ᛁᚿ
22:48:15 <HackEgo> ​›á›¦á›… ᚴᛅᚿᛏᛦᚢᛘ ᛆᛏᛏᛁᚿgᛅᛋ. ᚴᚮᚦ ᚠᛅᚴᛁ. ᛆᛦᚿᛅ ᛋᛆᚴᚿᚢᛋᛋᛅᛯ
22:48:19 <b_jonas> `? ᛁᚿ
22:48:21 <HackEgo> ​ᛁᚿ ᛋᚿᛅᚠᚠᛚᛚᛋ ᛁᚮᚴᚢᛚᛁᛋ ᚴᛦᛆᛏᛅᛦᛅᛘ ᚴᛅᛘ ᚦᛅᛚᛁᛒᛆᛏ ᚢᛘᛒᛦᛆ ᛋᚴᛆᛦᛏᛆᛦᛁᛋ ᛁᚢᛚᛁᛁ ᛁᚿᛏᛦᛆ ᚴᛆᛚᛅᚿᚦᛆᛋ ᚦᛅᛋᚴᛅᚿᚦᛅ, ᛆᚢᚦᛆᛋ ᚢᛁᛆᛏᚮᛦ, ᛏᛅ ᛏᛅᛦᛦᛅᛋᛏᛦᛅ ᚴᛅᚿᛏᛦᚢᛘ ᛆᛏᛏᛁᚿg
22:48:23 <b_jonas> that's better
23:01:53 <hppavilion[1]> ...wat
23:02:45 <b_jonas> hppavilion[1]: what what
23:03:27 <b_jonas> hppavilion[1]: it's the secret message from the Jules Verne novel, and I'm asking esochannel for help with the unicode encoding and stuff
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23:39:31 <rntz> int-e: oh wow, that was fast.
23:40:21 <rntz> int-e: hm, looks like my best solution so far averages about 16k steps to free the prisoners
23:41:33 <int-e> neat. do you allow the prisoners to add their own randomness to the process?
23:41:43 <rntz> ... add their own randomness?
23:41:51 <rntz> the prisoners actions are entirely deterministic
23:42:10 <int-e> (it shouldn't make a huge difference anyway)
23:42:12 <rntz> do you use a randomized strategy? that would be interesting
23:42:29 <int-e> no, it's deterministic so far.
23:43:30 <int-e> (the reason that it won't make a huge difference is that the light bulb serves as a random input anyway, in the beginning)
23:43:54 <rntz> hm? I'm not quite understanding you. the light bulb always starts off
23:44:12 <int-e> not from the perspective of an individual prisoner
23:44:14 <rntz> are you suggesting the prisoners can imitate a randomized strategy using a prng seeded from the state of the light they see?
23:44:26 <int-e> yes
23:44:29 <rntz> ahh
23:45:29 <int-e> I'm not really doing that either...
23:46:05 <rntz> well, wanna trade solutions?
23:46:21 <int-e> no, but you can see mine if you like
23:46:53 <int-e> (no = not yet)
23:46:57 <rntz> ah, you don't like spoilers :P
23:47:34 <rntz> sure, go ahead and explain yours (or link code, I suppose)
23:48:58 <int-e> oh... found another knob to tweak.. that helped a lot.
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23:49:23 <rntz> oh?
23:49:45 <int-e> below 16k now :)
23:51:03 <rntz> how far below?
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23:55:49 <shachaf> > sort "FireFly"
23:55:51 <lambdabot> "FFeilry"
23:56:02 <int-e> rntz: sorry, experimenting. 15400ish
23:56:09 <FireFly> > sort "firefly"
23:56:11 <lambdabot> "effilry"
23:56:59 <Phantom_Hoover> > sort "phantom hoover"
23:57:00 <lambdabot> " aehhmnoooprtv"
23:57:00 <rntz> hm. interesting! I am around 15690 (average of 500 runs with 100 prisoners)
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23:57:08 <rntz> those are... suspiciously close, but could be coincidence
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