< 1464393601 0 :moon_!4c01498a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.73.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its used to end the s command < 1464393606 0 :moon_!4c01498a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.73.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can be other characters < 1464393622 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :moon_: hm i'm not sure about your addition to #esoteric. my original seemed funny just _because_ it was out of place, so adding more of the same kind diminishes it. < 1464393631 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(to me) < 1464393636 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree < 1464393637 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :() < 1464393639 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, it's kind of vanity < 1464393668 0 :moon_!4c01498a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.73.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1464393687 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net TOPIC #esoteric :The interdisciplinary hub of solidity matrices, esoteric programming language design, and font forging | Ingredients: Antimatter | BOOM! | logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D | http://esolangs.org/ | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf < 1464393780 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is done topicediting for the day < 1464393804 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :moon_: It can't be "other characters" when the previous two were slashes. < 1464393817 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie is correct. < 1464393823 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :`sed s/prescriptivist/descriptivist_ < 1464393825 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sed: -e expression #1, char 31: unterminated `s' command < 1464393829 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(P1) < 1464393840 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(P2) fungot is just fizzie in a computer < 1464393840 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: they say that a bag of, sack: summer passed all too quickly. on the road between hurworth and neasham, but of adjudicating in the kidnappings and raids the inhabitants of the babylonian god of boundaries, guardian of the skin first appears greenish, then the handles at each end, all delicately wrought in the sense that he is married to mehut, a cloven hoof, the samurai. it was the ruthless manner in which they ha < 1464393861 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(C) fungot always tells the truth (P1&P2) < 1464393861 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: does your boss know what you're doing right now. while he was nearly burnt out, and in later times for wicked goblin spirits, as near as might be, eighteen or twenty feet across, and write at cos. the chest was divided into three compartments. in " a wizard can do it, is partially absorbed by the hazards since he has sucker feet and is generally more picturesque than useful. < 1464393872 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: ...no xe does not < 1464393872 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: meeting your own ghost! < 1464393877 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: Well, you know what they say: a bag of, sack. < 1464393912 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait < 1464393916 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1464393916 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack* oots pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube < 1464393921 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weird < 1464393931 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"sucker feet" made me think lovecraft < 1464393943 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait... < 1464393948 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How is fungot a fungot style? < 1464393962 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot? < 1464393966 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um < 1464393976 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a lot of stuff in the data.base. < 1464393979 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Either I just crashed or fungot isn't answering < 1464393986 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? #esoteric < 1464393988 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#esoteric is the only channel that exists. After monqy left it became slightly off-centër. It's about 30 m (100 ft) across. oerjan seems to be making a lawn in the northern part. May contain crude drawings of nuts. Contains only free ranging moons. < 1464393993 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, well I got fizzie's message, so I'm still here < 1464394001 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :WOW that was fast for HackEgo < 1464394006 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: There's a limit of four consecutive replies to the same person. < 1464394006 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Is HackEgo on a new server now? < 1464394014 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Ah, that's probably a good thing < 1464394021 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The Wumpus, by the way, is not bothered by the hazards since he has sucker feet and is too big for a bat to lift." < 1464394050 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ...please tell me you had to look that up. As in, you don't just have NetHack memorized < 1464394056 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` sed -i 's/part/part, but it keeps getting trampled by free ranging moons./;s/ Cont.*//' wisdom/'#esoteric' < 1464394059 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1464394064 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? #esoteric < 1464394066 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#esoteric is the only channel that exists. After monqy left it became slightly off-centër. It's about 30 m (100 ft) across. oerjan seems to be making a lawn in the northern part, but it keeps getting trampled by free ranging moons.. May contain crude drawings of nuts. < 1464394071 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1464394088 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` sed -i 's/\.\./\./' wisdom/'#esoteric' < 1464394091 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1464394095 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? #esoteric < 1464394097 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#esoteric is the only channel that exists. After monqy left it became slightly off-centër. It's about 30 m (100 ft) across. oerjan seems to be making a lawn in the northern part, but it keeps getting trampled by free ranging moons. May contain crude drawings of nuts. < 1464394166 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : "sucker feet" made me think lovecraft <-- i'd expect nethack to steal from everywhere... < 1464394227 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : oerjan: Is HackEgo on a new server now? <-- don't ask me < 1464394238 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1464394276 0 :moon_!4c01498a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.73.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lawn should be garden < 1464394282 0 :moon_!4c01498a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.73.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you cant trample lawns < 1464394289 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :And no, it's not on a new server. < 1464394294 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :moon_: no, i can't tell people to get off my garden. < 1464394314 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :moon_: i'm pretty sure you can. < 1464394315 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usually it's a little bit faster when it's actively being used. < 1464394326 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1464394334 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm... < 1464394542 0 :moon_!4c01498a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.73.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`med rr bin/med 1 3 < 1464394544 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1464394554 0 :moon_!4c01498a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.73.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` med rr bin/med 1 3 < 1464394557 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#Rewritten by hand \ #info on lines 2 4 9 15 20 26.. continued on line 2 \ #32 38 < 1464394570 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` sed -i 's/trampled/digged up/' wisdom/#esoteric < 1464394574 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1464394579 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? #esoteric < 1464394580 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#esoteric is the only channel that exists. After monqy left it became slightly off-centër. It's about 30 m (100 ft) across. oerjan seems to be making a lawn in the northern part, but it keeps getting digged up by free ranging moons. May contain crude drawings of nuts. < 1464394586 0 :moon_!4c01498a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.73.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean dug up < 1464394621 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn < 1464394660 0 :moon_!4c01498a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.73.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn_append #esoteric There is a mountain made of shell scripts in the southwestern part. < 1464394663 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned '#esoteric': #esoteric is the only channel that exists. After monqy left it became slightly off-centër. It's about 30 m (100 ft) across. oerjan seems to be making a lawn in the northern part, but it keeps getting digged up by free ranging moons. May contain crude drawings of nuts. There is a mountain made of shell scripts in the southweste < 1464394672 0 :moon_!4c01498a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.73.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :)= < 1464394683 0 :moon_!4c01498a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.73.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but its true < 1464394719 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think we've exceeded the length limit. < 1464394729 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert < 1464394743 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rm: cannot remove `/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/env/.hg/store/data/canary.orig': Is a directory \ Done. < 1464394748 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? #esoteric < 1464394755 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#esoteric is the only channel that exists. After monqy left it became slightly off-centër. It's about 30 m (100 ft) across. oerjan seems to be making a lawn in the northern part, but it keeps getting digged up by free ranging moons. May contain crude drawings of nuts. < 1464394770 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` sed -i 's/digged/dug/' wisdom/#esoteric < 1464394773 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1464394786 0 :moon_!4c01498a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.73.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn_append #esoteric There is a mountain made of shell scripts in the south. exit 0 < 1464394789 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned '#esoteric': #esoteric is the only channel that exists. After monqy left it became slightly off-centër. It's about 30 m (100 ft) across. oerjan seems to be making a lawn in the northern part, but it keeps getting dug up by free ranging moons. May contain crude drawings of nuts. There is a mountain made of shell scripts in the south. exit 0 < 1464394866 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION gives up and sidles back to retiring. < 1464394878 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :moon_: also, get off my lawn! < 1464394944 0 :moon_!4c01498a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.73.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nu *digs it up* < 1464394950 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA < 1464394984 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION waves his cane O====== < 1464395495 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :On my computer design I have written about "four level mode" which is the intention of working high resolution monochrome mode without having to change all of the clock rates < 1464396230 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :digged up means that it went uo the page on digg < 1464396255 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :by the way, is everyone aware that neopets still exists? < 1464396572 0 :lambda-11235!~lambda-11@47-208-113-50.erkacmtk03.res.dyn.suddenlink.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1464396578 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell hppavilion[1] I'm overprescriptive myself < 1464396578 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1464396602 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did not expect that it was gone < 1464396619 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Therefore, the default position I believe was still exists < 1464396649 0 :hwpplayer1!~hwpplayer@195.142.216.186 PART #esoteric : < 1464396684 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: digg still exists? < 1464396691 0 :t0dd!~d0t@72.168.144.98 JOIN :#esoteric < 1464396702 0 :t0dd!~d0t@72.168.144.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello :D < 1464396718 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome t0dd < 1464396724 0 :t0dd!~d0t@72.168.144.98 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1464396726 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​08t0dd: 09Welcome 02to 06the 13international 04hub 07for 08esoteric 09programming 02language 06design 13and 04deployment! 07For 08more 09information, 02check 06out 13our 04wiki: 07. 08(For 09the 02other 06kind 13of 04esoterica, 07try 08#esoteric 09on 02EFnet 06or 13DALnet.) < 1464396734 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1464396773 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo: you were fast, but not fast enough < 1464397290 0 :Kaynato!~Aedile@cpe-75-187-129-201.neo.res.rr.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1464397341 0 :Kaynato!~Aedile@cpe-75-187-129-201.neo.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1464397519 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there anything you think you need Internet Quiz Engine to do that it does not currently have? I already have conditional questions, multiple-answers questions, arithmetic operations, multiple variables, and others. < 1464397566 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it should support free-form answers. < 1464397669 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I did think of that too, although am unsure of how to implement it properly. I did think of a few ideas though. < 1464397679 0 :moon_!4c01498a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.73.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :``digg < 1464397681 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: `digg: not found < 1464397685 0 :moon_!4c01498a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.73.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` digg < 1464397686 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/bin/`: line 4: digg: command not found < 1464397713 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clearly there need to be some way to be able to parse free-form answers. < 1464397896 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Maybe use Amazon Mechanical Turk. < 1464397984 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it should do by itself. < 1464398042 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example, what kind of calculations does it need to be able to do with the free-form answers? < 1464398096 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Number of words, number of letters. < 1464398194 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Comparing text with constants also seem one thing that should be done < 1464398258 0 :moon_!4c01498a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.73.138 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1464398444 0 :augur!~augur@76-218-206-38.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1464398745 0 :augur!~augur@76-218-206-38.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1464398916 0 :ybden!~ybden@unaffiliated/ybden QUIT :Quit: SIGTUNA < 1464400118 0 :bender!~bender@2404:e800:e61a:41d:e92f:ad76:2f7f:6e5c JOIN :#esoteric < 1464400895 0 :bender!~bender@2404:e800:e61a:41d:e92f:ad76:2f7f:6e5c QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1464401644 0 :erdic!~erdic@unaffiliated/motley QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1464401733 0 :erdic!~erdic@unaffiliated/motley JOIN :#esoteric < 1464405348 0 :augur!~augur@2602:304:cdac:e260:add3:743c:db20:6793 JOIN :#esoteric < 1464407426 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1464409509 0 :proderpH!~proderpH@2a00:d880:6:52c::4c72 JOIN :#esoteric < 1464409867 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1464410042 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1464410639 0 :proderpH!~proderpH@2a00:d880:6:52c::4c72 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1464410742 0 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rbudglkmmnuvbmgz QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1464412044 0 :lambda-11235!~lambda-11@47-208-113-50.erkacmtk03.res.dyn.suddenlink.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1464412098 0 :lambda-11235!~lambda-11@47-208-113-50.erkacmtk03.res.dyn.suddenlink.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1464412481 0 :lambda-11235!~lambda-11@47-208-113-50.erkacmtk03.res.dyn.suddenlink.net QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1464412515 0 :lambda-11235!~lambda-11@47-208-113-50.erkacmtk03.res.dyn.suddenlink.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1464412837 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1464413141 0 :Kaynato!~Aedile@cpe-75-187-129-201.neo.res.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1464414881 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1464414904 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you show example of how a quiz that is using free-form answers might do? < 1464414938 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :A question might be "Can you show example of how a quiz that is using free-form answers might do?" < 1464415000 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is unclear how the computer is supposed to score such a question though. < 1464415076 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm... < 1464415115 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there any equivalent to the DSM-n that documents "psychological disorders" picked up by AIs? < 1464415124 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@massages-lud < 1464415124 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\ said 5h 9m 5s ago: I'm overprescriptive myself < 1464415231 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What would you think of the following: {?} Creature - ? (1/1) ;; Last strike, Lifelink ;; ~ gets +1/+1 for each point of damage marked on it up to eleven. < 1464415347 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: What would happen when that creature combated a 3/3? < 1464415420 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now it has three points of damage marked on it but 4 toughness, and also 4 power so during the last strike step it does enough damage to destroy the 3/3 creature and you gain 4 life. < 1464415449 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the 3/3 creature it is blocking or blocked by has infect or wither then this does not happen, since it won't mark any damage on it. < 1464415465 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like it. < 1464415625 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the 3/3 creature also has last strike, then this creature is destroyed and you gain 1 life, and the 3/3 creature now has one point of damage marked on it and is not destroyed. < 1464415726 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is this creature destroyed if the 3/3 has last strike, and not if it has normal strike? < 1464415752 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O no wait it is not destroyed; I made a mistake. < 1464415775 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :However then the 3/3 creature is not destroyed either, and you still gain only 1 life. < 1464415801 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does survive and is now 4/4. < 1464415822 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it should have normal strike instead of last strike. < 1464415873 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is no "normal strike" ability; if it doesn't have first strike or double strike or last strike then it assigns damage during the normal strike step. < 1464415902 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Without last strike it is a bit less powerful in most cases I think. < 1464415990 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what I meant by normal strike. < 1464416004 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's less powerful, but it's still good vs. first-strike creatures. < 1464416050 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I know, it is that; I did think of that, but decided to give it last strike. < 1464416123 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But last strike isn't in the rules. < 1464416139 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know; I made up that rule! < 1464416154 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And did write how it interacts with first strike and double strike on the same permanent.) < 1464416213 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another idea is a card that says: State-based actions cannot destroy creatures during combat damage steps unless a card is on the stack. < 1464417328 0 :xfix!~xfix@unaffiliated/xfix QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1464417464 0 :xfix!~xfix@unaffiliated/xfix JOIN :#esoteric < 1464418284 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm... < 1464418302 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if I could bloat the GoL into something terrible and sell it on steam xD < 1464418318 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt steam supports 0-player games though :/ < 1464418585 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@elh211.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1464419044 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@elh211.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1464419701 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1464419822 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@vps.jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1464420134 0 :augur!~augur@2602:304:cdac:e260:add3:743c:db20:6793 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1464420410 0 :Cale!~Cale@2607:fea8:9840:1d5:c5c9:87e7:1bf7:b775 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1464420460 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@vps.jaboja.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1464420688 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1464420908 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should the blitter include the ability to load a translation table and to use it? I am not sure if it is worth to include such thing, at all. < 1464421193 0 :Cale!~Cale@2607:fea8:9840:1d5:7da4:3e9d:9918:bddd JOIN :#esoteric < 1464421257 0 :Cale!~Cale@2607:fea8:9840:1d5:7da4:3e9d:9918:bddd QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1464421268 0 :Cale!~Cale@2607:fea8:9840:1d5:7da4:3e9d:9918:bddd JOIN :#esoteric < 1464421925 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Is that a triggered or activated ability? < 1464422716 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1464422815 0 :lambda-11235!~lambda-11@47-208-113-50.erkacmtk03.res.dyn.suddenlink.net QUIT :Quit: Bye < 1464424145 0 :Qund!~Qund@24-246-82-61.cable.teksavvy.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1464424288 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1464424670 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1464424863 0 :Qund!~Qund@24-246-82-61.cable.teksavvy.com PART #esoteric : < 1464427402 0 :augur!~augur@2602:304:cdac:e260:8cd9:139d:2038:72e7 JOIN :#esoteric < 1464427694 0 :augur!~augur@2602:304:cdac:e260:8cd9:139d:2038:72e7 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1464430266 0 :rntz!~rntz@96.95.216.165 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yeah, the timing of that card doesn't work... < 1464430343 0 :rntz!~rntz@96.95.216.165 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, no, wait, I misread < 1464430367 0 :rntz!~rntz@96.95.216.165 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"gets +1/+1 for each point of damage" is a state-based thing, not a triggered ability. ok. that's extremely peculiar. < 1464430503 0 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-ptnnmykbkhcgsxto QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1464431471 0 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-azqfsqajgxevmqzi JOIN :#esoteric < 1464435814 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1464435878 0 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1464436081 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1464436375 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just asked someone online who wasn't making much sense if they're fungot. I await their utter confusion. < 1464437090 0 :bender__!~bender@2404:e800:e61a:41d:e92f:ad76:2f7f:6e5c JOIN :#esoteric < 1464438959 0 :hwpplayer1!~hwpplayer@195.142.216.186 JOIN :#esoteric < 1464439369 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1464440334 0 :ybden!~ybden@unaffiliated/ybden JOIN :#esoteric < 1464441023 0 :bender__!?@? NICK :bender| < 1464441035 0 :bender|!~bender@2404:e800:e61a:41d:e92f:ad76:2f7f:6e5c QUIT :Changing host < 1464441036 0 :bender|!~bender@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 JOIN :#esoteric < 1464441903 0 :augur!~augur@76-218-206-38.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1464442168 0 :augur!~augur@76-218-206-38.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1464442799 0 :hwpplayer1!~hwpplayer@195.142.216.186 QUIT :Read error: No route to host < 1464442803 0 :hwpplayer11!~hwpplayer@195.142.216.186 JOIN :#esoteric < 1464442854 0 :hwpplayer11!~hwpplayer@195.142.216.186 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1464443166 0 :hwpplayer1!~hwpplayer@195.142.216.186 JOIN :#esoteric < 1464443473 0 :bender|!?@? NICK :bender < 1464443856 0 :beoswind!1fb795d0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.183.149.208 JOIN :#esoteric < 1464443933 0 :beoswind!1fb795d0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.183.149.208 QUIT :Client Quit < 1464448158 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1464448356 0 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-188-109-006-158.188.109.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1464448482 0 :augur!~augur@2602:304:cdac:e260:b49c:2e1b:e0ee:55a JOIN :#esoteric < 1464449237 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1464449741 0 :augur!~augur@2602:304:cdac:e260:b49c:2e1b:e0ee:55a QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1464450332 0 :augur!~augur@76-218-206-38.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1464450888 0 :hwpplayer1!~hwpplayer@195.142.216.186 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1464450999 0 :shikhin!?@? NICK :freud < 1464451121 0 :freud!?@? NICK :freudi < 1464451123 0 :Kaynato!~Aedile@cpe-75-187-129-201.neo.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1464451191 0 :bender!?@? NICK :sid123 < 1464451261 0 :freudi!?@? NICK :shikhin < 1464451341 0 :sid123!?@? NICK :RespublikBender < 1464451342 0 :shikhin!?@? NICK :freud < 1464451395 0 :RespublikBender!?@? NICK :bender < 1464451477 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07VL14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=47077&oldid=47076 5* 0331.185.252.84 5* (+51) 10 < 1464451610 0 :Kaynato!~Aedile@cpe-75-187-129-201.neo.res.rr.com QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1464452447 0 :hwpplayer1!~hwpplayer@195.142.216.123 JOIN :#esoteric < 1464452848 0 :Kaynato!~Aedile@cpe-75-187-129-201.neo.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1464452870 0 :freud!?@? NICK :shik < 1464452890 0 :shik!?@? NICK :shikhin < 1464453182 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1464453290 0 :lambda-11235!~lambda-11@47-208-113-50.erkacmtk03.res.dyn.suddenlink.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1464453484 0 :hwpplayer1!~hwpplayer@195.142.216.123 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1464453768 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1464453915 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1464454311 0 :Kaynato!~Aedile@cpe-75-187-129-201.neo.res.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1464454429 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Were you the person who wasn't making much sense? < 1464454429 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: human, chieftain, guard, ninja, nurse, page, ronin, shopkeeper, you get promoted to demi-god. < 1464454441 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a nice career path. < 1464455509 0 :hwpplayer1!~hwpplayer@195.142.216.123 JOIN :#esoteric < 1464455679 0 :bender__!~bender@2404:e800:e61a:41d:b170:4c27:da71:386a JOIN :#esoteric < 1464455681 0 :bender!~bender@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1464455686 0 :bender__!?@? NICK :bender < 1464456215 0 :bender!~bender@2404:e800:e61a:41d:b170:4c27:da71:386a QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1464456434 0 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1464456487 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone threw a chocolate cake in the german parliament < 1464456513 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i decided not to inquire for more details < 1464456602 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b'ahstunls tt hdoto is ldpossthc stttd,ls cavscts s bs j id tesod ap Wh ieihdthdid I thils tf ar thp ' < 1464456710 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b"Th m nn oonsehron eom pran tr L misrlw phund winr ches in nofs of nhns'hon nun nolpofrim tuos of ndr" < 1464456851 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Presumably they thought it would taste better than the usual comedic thrown foodstuff. < 1464457171 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b'Th tts toes6thtubrrtesspoothived i mouthumetsisatht, tiatioss whtr tyiniuloretapedtithrics. Itzrensu' < 1464457364 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Please translate? < 1464457429 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't mean anything. < 1464457453 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...it has ". ", it has a sentence structure, there's a particular use of capital letters. Are you sure? < 1464457559 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I do admit a toes6thtubrrtesspoothived is a bit of a long word. < 1464457728 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it has a numeral in it, which real words generally don't. < 1464457758 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here, let's have a better one. < 1464457759 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b'To pooitas apitaie aul Weakiome aioui goatiagionauateon. Chiter tinmeoucioveany oi meo, orined Mouna' < 1464458461 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1464458521 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b'Thated top el to te a cter of Wis to tonts Aexper. It ted (oved itto te than nxlo tovt cter Norton J' < 1464458676 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :.... < 1464458679 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, it's starting to get some really good words in there. < 1464458680 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b'Tex in icwuites the toll, ovel whevexpected to the kingdom s Ituresp. the Kizyingerne, haves Mit te ' < 1464458857 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b'The Therexpectuitee Fist.avhas oo decfuiteoacteretooee tollboothetteralomeations an Wistomes full of' < 1464458867 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what tollboothetteralomeations are. < 1464458869 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1464458877 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what exactly is that? < 1464458915 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Output from a neural net trained to output character strings. < 1464458919 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b"The to the book the to the book is a lo e chev noppeon the 'ook was boothoed iat, Tany eventorestes " < 1464458932 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The training data is the first paragraph of the Wikipedia article about the book "The Phantom Tollbooth". < 1464459028 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, I think this is the first time it successfully reproduced the first couple of words: < 1464459029 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b'The Phantom Tollbooth one afternoon and, hovhan attoec Mted) of Oeastrens Thed Moto ctor now pons Al' < 1464459032 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :once upon a time someone was going down a road, which had no tollbooth... then a tollbooth appeared and charged them money < 1464459039 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure that's really scary < 1464459220 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: that's not a lot of training data < 1464459232 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed, that's an extremely small amount of training data. < 1464459248 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though, the first training data I ever successfully used was: < 1464459249 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi! < 1464459266 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b'The Phere is ted into many The Kell tr the konderful Wirl, it tells The Woo sel, it ral to the kio s' < 1464459275 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like... it's like it's trying to say something. < 1464459336 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b"Thetoovres stortofo to Concl to m. Itur's into Thar,s rovhoust to thansports him toy Poop and has so" < 1464459343 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not very nice to thansport someone toy Poop. < 1464459367 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b'The Will and gas wold onte the o dd Fdlatin ixs and gextextextextextextexpected inte aptor nov itve' < 1464459396 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not the word I extextextextextextexpected it to use. < 1464459571 0 :augur!~augur@76-218-206-38.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1464459640 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, it managed to reproduce a pretty long section verbatim. < 1464459641 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b'The Phe text is full of puns and wordplay; many events, such as when Milo unintenn wrer whine aftern' < 1464459675 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most of that is a verbatim quote: "[T]he text is full of puns and wordplay; many events, such as when Milo uninten[tionally ...]" < 1464459763 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here it almost reproduced the first 100 bytes of the whole thing: < 1464459764 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b"The Phantom Tollbooth is a 1961 children's adventure novel by American writer Norton Juster Nills an" < 1464459790 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Correct quote: "The Phantom Tollbooth is a 1961 children's adventure novel by American writer Norton Juster [with illustrations ...]" < 1464459943 0 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1464460731 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Evil14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=47078&oldid=46809 5* 0390.255.15.157 5* (+1) 10Fixed spelling mistake - 'wave function' -> 'weave function' < 1464461734 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :If your goal is to learn English in general, I fear you might be overfitting a bit. < 1464461772 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://karpathy.github.io/2015/05/21/rnn-effectiveness/ did a bit of Wikipedia markup. < 1464461813 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and some LaTeX. < 1464462818 0 :lambda-11235!~lambda-11@47-208-113-50.erkacmtk03.res.dyn.suddenlink.net QUIT :Quit: Bye < 1464462825 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1464462836 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and quite a bit more... < 1464463062 0 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qkraygkrpmkyynqd JOIN :#esoteric < 1464463582 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: but if my goal is to learn this exact paragraph, I'm not overfitting at all! < 1464463733 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's fair to say that the neural net has successfully memorized the entire paragraph. < 1464463743 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is slightly impressive. < 1464463811 0 :Opodeldoc!~Opodeldoc@208.114.92.193 JOIN :#esoteric < 1464463863 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lemme see. The paragraph is 1114 bytes, 51 distinct. This means that, naively encoded, the number of bits of information there is... < 1464463869 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1114 * log 51 / log 2 < 1464463871 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 6319.081830956246 < 1464463874 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That many. < 1464464018 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :And how many parameters are there in your model? < 1464464057 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The neural net has an input layer with effectively 51 neurons (no parameters); a hidden layer with 50 neurons (effectively (51+1)*50 parameters); another hidden layer with 50 neurons ((50+1)*50 parameters); and finally an output layer with effectively 51 neurons (effectively (50+1)*51 parameters). < 1464464070 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, I'm not sure if the output layer has biases. < 1464464082 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does. < 1464464088 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So the number of effective parameters is... < 1464464101 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (51+1)*50 + (50+1)*50 + (50+1)*51 < 1464464105 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 7751 < 1464464108 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That many. < 1464464109 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a word other than "neuron" to describe the sizes of the vectors? < 1464464127 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dimension? < 1464464130 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :n-dimensional hidden layer? < 1464464135 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds good. < 1464464171 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and now for your complex term of the day: n-dimensional mathematical numpy-supported matrices supported on a large hardware platform. < 1464464172 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I'm not a fan of the word "hidden" either, but at least it's not forcing a biological analogy. < 1464464226 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is, in fact, accurate to say that these are "n-dimensional mathematical numpy-supported matrices". < 1464464247 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And they are, in a sense, "supported on a large hardware platform", because this is running on my laptop, and my laptop is physically large. < 1464464300 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I asked the other day: How much justification is there to Tensorflow et al.'s use of the word "tensor"? < 1464464326 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are these things tensors in the usual sense, with covariance/contravariance, multilinear maps, etc.? < 1464464400 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: RNN elements are conventionally called "cells". < 1464464467 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: they can be used that way. < 1464464481 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Emmental14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=47079&oldid=35639 5* 0396.48.108.186 5* (+231) 10/* Hello, World! */ Added easier to understand example < 1464464490 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A "tensor" in Tensorflow is the tensor product of some copies of R^n, for varying n. < 1464464524 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: I like to be correct while also being stupidly verbose < 1464464536 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Joke language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=47080&oldid=47071 5* 03Ais523 5* (-13) 10Undo revision 47051 by [[Special:Contributions/Moon|Moon]] ([[User talk:Moon|talk]]); as mentioned in the intro, redlinks are removed from this list if they stay red too long < 1464464548 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In other words, it's a multidimensional array. < 1464464563 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think a tensor is just a multidimensional array. < 1464464705 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, if the "et al." is large enough, there's no need for justification. < 1464464929 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you don't want to use the word "neuron", it's possible to just say "the size of the layer is X". < 1464464937 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I saw TensorBoard for the first time the other day. < 1464464946 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :V. fancy. < 1464465012 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I don't think it's too large. < 1464465082 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if all of these libraries used "vector" to mean "scalar", I would still want justification, because their usage is in the context of the rest of the world. < 1464465136 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, well, I was including rest of the world in the et al., possibly. < 1464465138 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A tensor is certainly not just a multidimensional array. < 1464465427 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map (\n -> 2 * 10 ** (1/n)) [0..6] < 1464465429 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : [Infinity,20.0,6.324555320336759,4.308869380063768,3.5565588200778455,3.1697... < 1464465442 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doink. < 1464465446 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map (\n -> 2 * 10 ** (n/6)) [0..6] < 1464465448 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : [2.0,2.935598535244139,4.308869380063768,6.324555320336759,9.283177667225557... < 1464465484 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map (\n -> round $ 100 * 10 ** (n/6)) [0..6] < 1464465486 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : [100,147,215,316,464,681,1000] < 1464465565 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map (\n -> round $ 96 * 10 ** (n/6)) [0..6] < 1464465567 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : [96,141,207,304,446,654,960] < 1464465585 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map (\n -> round $ 98 * 10 ** (n/6)) [0..6] < 1464465587 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : [98,144,211,310,455,668,980] < 1464465749 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let blah = [10.0, 15, 20, 30, 50, 70, 100, 150, 200, 300, 500, 700, 1000] in zipWith (/) (tail blah) blah < 1464465751 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1.5,1.3333333333333333,1.5,1.6666666666666667,1.4,1.4285714285714286,1.5,1.... < 1464465776 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 10**(1/6) < 1464465778 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1.4677992676220695 < 1464465977 0 :puckipedia!~puck@irc.puckipedia.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1464466022 0 :ybden_!~ybden@unaffiliated/ybden JOIN :#esoteric < 1464466034 0 :ybden_!~ybden@unaffiliated/ybden QUIT :Client Quit < 1464466296 0 :puckipedia!~puck@irc.puckipedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1464467800 0 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Quit: Alas. < 1464467800 0 :hydraz!matheus@unaffiliated/demhydraz QUIT :Quit: Bai. < 1464467854 0 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1464467874 0 :hydraz!matheus@heddw.ch JOIN :#esoteric < 1464467874 0 :hydraz!matheus@heddw.ch QUIT :Changing host < 1464467874 0 :hydraz!matheus@unaffiliated/demhydraz JOIN :#esoteric < 1464468117 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not yet know what my new kind of computer design is called. < 1464468153 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :To know what it is called can help with discussion elsewhere, with naming programs that do emulation or hardware implementation of parts of it, etc. < 1464468168 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you think it already has a name and you don't know what it is? or is it something that doesn't have a naem yet and you haven't named it? < 1464468175 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the kitten! < 1464468200 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...wrong channel < 1464468214 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: I didn't even realise that wasn't part of this conversation :-P < 1464468236 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: kitten kitten kitten? < 1464468236 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: they say that if you start at the man fled, clutching his bulging guts, finally to fall from his throat; the drunk vomited lumps of human flesh. ( the fellowship of the english puritans regarded all fairies as devils. the couatl are very sharp; watch you don't usually mind if you need a mirror to notice a mimic in an ideal existence, drinking and eating without restraint and fighting over again the battles in which he ca < 1464468244 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1464468244 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack* oots pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube < 1464468263 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, eww. < 1464468264 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I think that it does not yet have a proper name. < 1464468279 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is why I obviously do not know what the name is! < 1464468284 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because there isn't one! < 1464468317 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the kitten < 1464468320 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...wait, wrong channel again < 1464468546 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :the free kitten refuses to be bound to any particular channel < 1464468565 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, let's worship the great kitten < 1464469005 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had some ideas about the main processor's microcode which are a bit similar to some of the features of VAX microcode, such as huge VLIW, every instruction contains a jump (actually two in the design I have thought of), and XFC. < 1464469212 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The microcode would include ROM and RAM areas, and you can define your own instructions in the RAM area. < 1464469473 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is a kind of horizontal microcode format, and some of the pieces of a microcode instruction might be: register numbers for the Muxcomp inputs/outputs, ALU code, external memory I/O code, condition code, jump if true, jump if false. < 1464469559 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it is muxcomp32 then seven register must be specify for muxcomp, and some registers might be immediate values, constants, and external memory access. < 1464469846 0 :Moon_!4c01498a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.73.138 JOIN :#esoteric < 1464469850 0 :Moon_!4c01498a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.73.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1464470122 0 :Moon_!4c01498a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.73.138 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1464470262 0 :Moon_!4c01498a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.73.138 JOIN :#esoteric < 1464470273 0 :Moon_!4c01498a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.73.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [1..10] < 1464470275 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10] < 1464470303 0 :Moon_!4c01498a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.73.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> zip [1,4..] [1,6..] < 1464470305 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : [(1,1),(4,6),(7,11),(10,16),(13,21),(16,26),(19,31),(22,36),(25,41),(28,46),... < 1464470356 0 :Moon_!4c01498a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.73.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo > zip [1,4..] [1,6..] < 1464470364 0 :Moon_!4c01498a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.73.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo '> zip [1,4..] [1,6..]' < 1464470394 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​'> zip [1,4..] [1,6..]' < 1464470394 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​> zip [1,4..] [1,6..] < 1464470411 0 :Moon_!4c01498a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.73.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :daww )= < 1464470468 0 :Moon_!4c01498a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.73.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> zip "Im being ziped!" "!depiz gnieb mI" < 1464470470 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : [('I','!'),('m','d'),(' ','e'),('b','p'),('e','i'),('i','z'),('n',' '),('g',... < 1464470544 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :please use /msg unless you're showing something to others < 1464470555 0 :Moon_!4c01498a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.73.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kk < 1464471026 0 :augur!~augur@2602:304:cdac:e260:5820:b1f9:9fe0:4a5d JOIN :#esoteric < 1464471031 0 :Moon_!4c01498a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.73.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1464471186 0 :Kaynato!~Aedile@cpe-75-187-129-201.neo.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1464471370 0 :Moon_!4c01498a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.73.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder < 1464471372 0 :Moon_!4c01498a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.73.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`apt < 1464471375 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@vps.jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1464471377 0 :Moon_!4c01498a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.73.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`aptitude < 1464471386 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: apt: not found < 1464471417 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[?7h[?1000h[?25l[?1c Actions Undo Package Resolver Search Options Views Help < 1464471442 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop it < 1464471446 0 :Moon_!4c01498a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.73.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sry < 1464471555 0 :Moon_!4c01498a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.73.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder, some linux distros have the 'lolcat' command, does hackego have it? < 1464471559 0 :Moon_!4c01498a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.73.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ddate < 1464471561 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Today is Pungenday, the 2nd day of Confusion in the YOLD 3182 < 1464471562 0 :Moon_!4c01498a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.73.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lets try that first < 1464471579 0 :Moon_!4c01498a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.73.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ddate | lolcat < 1464471580 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :usage: ddate [+format] [day month year] < 1464471589 0 :Moon_!4c01498a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.73.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ddate | lolcat < 1464471590 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/bin/`: line 4: lolcat: command not found < 1464471594 0 :Moon_!4c01498a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.73.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :daww < 1464471609 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is lolcat? < 1464471613 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is ddate? < 1464471619 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :discordian date < 1464471623 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait a second... *opens up Twister* < 1464471628 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should learn about it < 1464471633 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :discordianism,is great < 1464471639 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :opening network panel... < 1464471653 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :attempting to identify @tasty... < 1464471693 0 :Moon_!4c01498a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.73.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lolcat rainbow colors its input, myname < 1464471716 0 :Moon_!4c01498a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.73.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah well, time to make a irc version *jokes* < 1464471720 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ddate | rainbow < 1464471723 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​0909T02o06d03a10y10 09i07s07 06Pung06e06nd11ay,07 th14e07 206n12d 06d11ay07 of 08C05onf04usio13n 12i14n14 t04h02e 11YO12L08D 3104803211 < 1464471729 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like that? < 1464471734 0 :Moon_!4c01498a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.73.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah,, yeas < 1464471736 0 :Moon_!4c01498a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.73.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*yes < 1464471740 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's a bit fancier. < 1464471749 0 :Moon_!4c01498a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.73.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yea, lolcat is much fancier < 1464471753 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome Moon_ < 1464471756 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​08Moon_: 09Welcome 02to 06the 13international 04hub 07for 08esoteric 09programming 02language 06design 13and 04deployment! 07For 08more 09information, 02check 06out 13our 04wiki: 07. 08(For 09the 02other 06kind 13of 04esoterica, 07try 08#esoteric 09on 02EFnet 06or 13DALnet.) < 1464471767 0 :Moon_!4c01498a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.73.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :im already a known member -.- < 1464471769 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uses the 256-color control codes and all that. < 1464471793 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do you do that stuff, then? < 1464471810 0 :Moon_!4c01498a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.73.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because im bored :P < 1464471819 0 :Moon_!4c01498a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.73.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i am a known member < 1464471830 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :go watch some youtube < 1464471849 0 :Moon_!4c01498a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.73.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dont feel like it < 1464471869 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think "member" is the right word for anyone here. < 1464471891 0 :Moon_!4c01498a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.73.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :loltrue < 1464471894 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fellow nerd < 1464471947 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have written a Discordian calendar program on ifMUD too < 1464471960 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :good! < 1464472194 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whether ddate should or shouldn't be part of util-linux on Debian was a long, long debate. From what I recall, it got removed at least once, and maybe reinstated or split to a separate package. < 1464472197 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there is actually two versions of Discordian calendar, which are the common version (which is synchronized with the Gregorian calendar), and the uncommon version (which is synchronized with the Julian calendar); however there is currently no difference between them, I think they would start to differ in 2100 maybe. < 1464472435 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that just because Principia Discordia says "every four years"? < 1464472478 0 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1464472568 0 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :but seeing as it is otherwise synchronised one-to-one with the gregorian calendar, discordian-with-gregorian-leps < 1464472571 0 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :*leaps < 1464472882 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1464473003 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think ddate probably should not be the part of the core package but probably should be another package. < 1464473089 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1464473205 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"core package" of what? < 1464473206 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: it isn't part of the Ubuntu package it used to be in (which contained fsck and similar programs, IIRC) any more < 1464473223 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: it was in a package of important Linux utilities, many of which most systems will use < 1464473228 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think fsck was the most famous < 1464473230 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :[gamemanj@Iwakura ~]$ ddate < 1464473230 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: ddate: command not found < 1464473233 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure, there might be an even more famous one < 1464473347 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it apparently used to be in util-linux, < 1464473351 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but isn't built anymore by default. < 1464473624 0 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1464473828 0 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1464474070 0 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@194.108.5.201 QUIT :Quit: *bubbles away* < 1464474071 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what I was referring to. < 1464474205 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :1998: Bug#30015: util-linux: please include ddate < 1464474216 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :2010: Bug#583503: ddate: this useless joke program has no place in a base debian install. < 1464474230 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :2012: Bug#583503: ddate, upstream, and debian. < 1464474236 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :2014: Bug#583503: ddate no longer shipped in upstream release v2.24.2. < 1464474254 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a quick look at wikipedia reveals something interesting... < 1464474294 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those weren't even all the titles. < 1464474300 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ddate: removed from default build by the same people who brought you: "tunelp: parallel port printers are probably almost extinct devices" < 1464474368 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a vague recollection they must've flip-flopped on its inclusion at least once, before it ended up in a separate 'ddate' package. < 1464474436 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a tad worried that a package for various utilities is being committed to by someone who intends to strip down the commands... isn't that the point of busybox? < 1464474487 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the reasonable argument was that it's not a package of "various utilities", it's a package of things you absolutely need to have available. < 1464474557 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think ddate should be a separate package, such as "comprehensive date/time package" which may include that and others < 1464474579 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...such as "wall" (good to have on mainframes maybe), "script" (eh could be useful) , "ul" (ok who needs this) < 1464474580 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alternatively, a package by itself, is another possibility < 1464474629 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :all 3 of those, wall, script and ul have man pages on my system, and ul especially seems particularly useless. If the "things that are required to be available" is the point, then it would be a lot smaller < 1464474648 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :ul is not in util-linux on my system. < 1464474649 0 :chron_!~chron@host-80-43-83-122.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1464474662 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neither is 'wall' or 'script'. < 1464474662 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :script can be useful for documentation purposes < 1464474677 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The program "wall" could be useful on multi-user systems, although for single-user system does not seem so useful. < 1464474686 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :script's part of the Debian upgrade process documentation. < 1464474701 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But still, someone might use wall for some purpose even in a single-user system) < 1464474701 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1464474727 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, fair enough, but tunelp presumably has a similar basis. < 1464474730 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah, good old wall/write/talk/mesg < 1464474742 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The point is: where to draw the line? < 1464474748 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, on multi-user systems, those programs can be useful. < 1464474752 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: Somewhere south of ddate, probably. < 1464474753 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1464474753 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1464474767 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: in the case of ul, right under the text... < 1464474771 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I'm training my neural net on #esoteric logs again. < 1464474783 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :A separate package for programs that are useful for multi-user could be added if someone wants this, I suppose. < 1464474785 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I guess it doesn't make any sense to include ddate but not date. < 1464474806 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's a quote from it: < 1464474807 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hd cu#8rin84cde3!i aNenei r s < 1464474808 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think date is supposed to be core < 1464474813 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never used ddate... I didn't even know that it exists. < 1464474825 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to have a ddate login script, I think. < 1464474827 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so... "objectively" the latter is not needed. < 1464474827 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1464474828 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1464474829 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's been a while, though. < 1464474856 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's hard to draw hard lines < 1464474872 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Yes, I think Debian should switch to a probabilistic package manager. < 1464474875 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :To me, it seems that ddate is just another date format and makes more sense as a part of date. < 1464474886 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I think date and ddate are rahter obvious choices ;) < 1464474895 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ... < 1464474898 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: you scare me < 1464474900 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1464474927 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As for date, it's not even part of util-linux (it's part of coreutils), so ddate, being another date format, should be there. < 1464474936 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that is, in coreutils) < 1464474938 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION learned last week that there are several flavors of netcat. < 1464474945 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it is rather a different calendar rather than just a different output format < 1464474954 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dates are dates. < 1464474984 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that's another dimensions: if there are several variants of a tool, which one will you include? < 1464474998 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :The netcat variants are a big annoyance. < 1464475004 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1464475008 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, dates... I should buy some dried dates... < 1464475011 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you going to include Mayan calendar too, and also Muslim, and whatever others? < 1464475017 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the bsd one, the gnu one, the others < 1464475018 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least there's only one socat. (Which hasn't been enough of a draw to learn the socat syntax.) < 1464475020 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that order < 1464475037 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: idk, I give up < 1464475071 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Date_%28fruit%29 < 1464475073 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1464475089 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for a moment i thought socat is some useless thing to interact with stackoverflow < 1464475098 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: hah < 1464475104 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dates are dates? That's not true at all. < 1464475109 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION should look into socat too < 1464475124 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Datetime" means something different in every programming language. < 1464475132 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :The thing that spews out those wiki updates is almost all socat. < 1464475160 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1464475161 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh is "socat" a pun? ... meh. < 1464475175 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ess-oh-cat... socket < 1464475214 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :"SOcket CAT", it just says. < 1464475241 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Super Orange Cat < 1464475245 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I saw a cat today. < 1464475337 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I guess my question is how one is supposed to pronounce it. < 1464475353 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't rightly know, I think I've always just written it. < 1464475358 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bleh. rdiff-backup ran out of memory again. For some reason it just does that; then the system starts swapping and the backup takes two days or something ridiculous. < 1464475579 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a relatively extensive set of files (3582083 used inodes on the filesystem, and it's a large chunck of that), but from what I gather, it's still supposed to only take a reasonable amount of memory, and seems to do just that for most people. Someone else was complaining of excessive memory use as well, but I don't think that thread ever resolved. < 1464475690 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If rdiff-backup seems to be leaking memory, it is probably because it is using an early version of librsync. librsync 0.9.5 leaks lots of memory. Later versions should not leak and are available from the librsync homepage." < 1464475724 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :But this is 0.9.7, and shouldn't have such problems, so who knows. < 1464475740 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The amount of memory rdiff-backup uses should not depend much on the size of directories being processed. Keeping track of hard links may use up memory, so if you have, say, hundreds of thousands of files hard linked together, rdiff-backup may need tens of MB." < 1464475764 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :plausible < 1464475779 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shouldn't be many of those, and it's at three hundred megs (out of ~400-ish or so). < 1464475803 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.:32:26: -!- iacht5 ion1nhndonul7gviin ao1ar ridl < 1464475823 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: bless you < 1464475832 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thank you. < 1464475860 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. It's got a built-in _librsync.so. < 1464475869 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(rdiff-backup itself is mostly Python.) < 1464475873 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe *that's* old. < 1464476000 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that must be just some Python glue to call into the real one, because the package is listed as depending on librsync1. < 1464476032 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ldd .../_librsync.so ? < 1464476087 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks. Yes. < 1464476134 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it shouldn't be due to that. < 1464476200 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't suppose there's any way to ask a running Python process for a memory use summary or something. < 1464476271 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, the neural net has learned a nick... kinda. < 1464476272 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :c2 cl:12:22: am1yms c a,gi t7on an2sn rucarc n niraao h gota> hom c l'itnannor3a < 1464476332 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Manages to match the tone of the channel pretty well, too. < 1464476339 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...just... what?!?!? < 1464476360 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought only I used C2/CL time! < 1464476553 0 :Kaynato!~Aedile@cpe-75-187-129-201.neo.res.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1464477025 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/ looks like tomorrow's weather is very XMLy. < 1464477060 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see it. < 1464477091 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/hiaT is how it appears to me. < 1464477112 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're looking at an RSS feed, somehow. < 1464477123 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that's what I get as the front page. < 1464477123 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :look at the first line: 2000 < 1464477127 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even with curl. < 1464477156 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Which entry do you want to see? < 1464477161 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/LfUa < 1464477176 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had my normal forecast link in the browser history, that worked just fine. < 1464477182 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's only the front page that appears strange. < 1464477198 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so akamai messed up? < 1464477236 0 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :here, what do you call a program that unpacks itself into more programs < 1464477239 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :www.metoffice.gov.uk. 842 IN CNAME www.metoffice.gov.uk.edgesuite.net. < 1464477250 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and it looks fine from here) < 1464477259 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:44:18: -E- rodgort has qoin jokoet nesoq)af quine(k ne uorirdaie8:one natoEam9pat < 1464477261 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :akamai? akakai. < 1464477281 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :2.21.75.40, 2.21.75.10 what it eventually resolves as to me. < 1464477282 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: you do know what a CDN is, don't you? < 1464477290 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about curl -s -H 'Host: www.metoffice.gov.uk' http://2.21.75.40/ | head = < 1464477293 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/=/?/ < 1464477293 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I was just joking. < 1464477319 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(www.metoffice.gov.uk.edgesuite.net is an alias for a376.r.akamai.net, a376.r.akamai.net has address 2.21.75.40 / 2.21.75.10) < 1464477324 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yeah that gives me the paste < 1464477333 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a CDN is a bunch of servers people pay lots of money to use, which have a lot of bandwidth available. < 1464477337 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :including the initial 2000, which I still find rather odd < 1464477357 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They are generally meant for delivering vast amounts of static resources. < 1464477368 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: There's a bunch of numbers later on as well. < 1464477371 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: unless you're somebody like Google or Amazon who's running their own CDN. < 1464477386 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Right in the middle of the content. I suspect some sort of a length-delimited format. < 1464477430 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or possibly debugging output or something, who knows. < 1464477562 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/datapoint/support/notifications/rss is the original link for that... no numbers though < 1464477632 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I now made the JavaScript implementation of Internet Quiz Engine so that if you write #BEGIN and #SHUFFLE around some lines then those lines will be shuffled in the output. An implementation that doesn't support this will treat these lines as comments and display the text without shuffling; the #< indicates extensions which are safe to ignore. < 1464477637 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: The next "\r\n2000\r\n" is exactly 0x2000 bytes after the first one. < 1464477753 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, isn't that just https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chunked_transfer_encoding < 1464477775 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except missing the \r\n after the initial chunk length indicator. < 1464477821 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(No Transfer-Encoding header either.) < 1464477828 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that's basically chunked transfer encoding getting botched. < 1464477847 0 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@194.108.5.201 JOIN :#esoteric < 1464477894 0 :chron_!~chron@host-80-43-83-122.as13285.net PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1464478196 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1464478673 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Found something called "gdb-heap" for unplanned memory debugging -- https://fedorahosted.org/gdb-heap/ -- but I'm worried the memory debugging tool will run out of memory. < 1464478741 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It prints "Blocks retrieved 150000" etc. after every 10k blocks, and swaps a whole lot.) < 1464478766 0 :hwpplayer1!~hwpplayer@195.142.216.123 PART #esoteric : < 1464478924 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Up to 380000. That's a lotta allocations. < 1464478960 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why can't people just use static allocations... < 1464479054 0 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj, because sometimes you don't know how much memory you'll need at compile time?? < 1464479077 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, the gdb process is now using almost twice as much memory as the rdiff-backup. < 1464479092 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's also at 590000 blocks. < 1464479105 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not unusual for static allocation to be insufficient. < 1464479127 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That said, I also think a lot of people end up using dynamic allocation when static allocation would suffice. < 1464479134 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or overusing dynamic allocation. < 1464479479 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wow, programs compiled with ghc-8.0.1 have a virtual memory size of 1 TB on startup (x86_64 linux)... even when most of that memory is unused, that seems overly generous. < 1464479511 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :All right, here's the first completely well-formed thing produced by my new neural net: < 1464479512 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :09:01:26: his fhrtunn pikGr < 1464479558 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.sysutils.backup.rdiff-backup.general/7878 -- I assume I'm hitting the same thing, but nobody's answered. :/ < 1464479689 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :"FWIW, I used to use rdiff-backup but found it to be nonrobust on machines with limited (only a few GB) RAM and hundreds of GB of backup." < 1464479692 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should probably switch tools.