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00:50:14 <Phantom_Hoover> im reading ethereum drama and seeing them describe javascript as 'low-level'
00:50:27 <Phantom_Hoover> i think basically JS just distorts reality away from all that is sane and good
00:51:03 <zzo38> I am not sure why they describe JavaScript as "low-level".
00:53:12 <zzo38> There are a few problems with JavaScript such as automatic-semicolon-insertion, but mostly it is OK I think. But some things are better programmed in other programming languages such as C or assembly language.
00:55:14 <zzo38> (A few of the other problems would be that it lacks macros and goto)
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00:56:45 <moonythedwarf> im starting to like lde
00:56:48 <moonythedwarf> *lxde
00:57:08 <pikhq> Phantom_Hoover: Javascript, low level?
00:57:13 <pikhq> What madness.
00:58:33 <Phantom_Hoover> the funny part is that they are (correctly) calling the ethereum community a pack of script kiddies who know fuck all about actual coding, whilst showing that they themselves know fuck all about actual coding
00:58:35 <zzo38> I use a window manager without a desktop environment.
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00:59:34 <moonythedwarf> Generally, im trying to get a IDE running
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00:59:47 <moonythedwarf> is there one that works good with LXDE?
00:59:53 <zzo38> IDE for what?
01:00:00 <moonythedwarf> C/C++
01:00:31 <zzo38> I don't know; I don't use LXDE or any other desktop environment, nor do I use any IDE.
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01:04:03 <Phantom_Hoover> i just... oh my god why would you invent money governed by autonomous code running with no oversight and then say "i know what language we'll use for this! JS!"
01:04:41 <zzo38> I don't know? It doesn't make much sense to me
01:10:32 <shachaf> `? klein bottle
01:11:26 <HackEgo> A Klein bottle is like a torus, but more insidious. Taneb tried to invent it, but got trapped inside.
01:11:38 <shachaf> oerjan++ # excellent unintentional pun
01:12:41 <myname> which pun?
01:13:54 <shachaf> The last word of the first sentence.
01:14:20 <int-e> oh right he claimed that it was unintentional
01:14:29 <int-e> I found that hard to believe
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02:09:54 <hppavilion[1]> It's always annoying when 9/11 is referred to as "the most defining event of the century"
02:10:06 <hppavilion[1]> I mean, what was the most defining event of the 20th century?
02:12:37 <myname> 21st century, no?
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04:01:49 <tswett> What *was* the most defining event of the 20th century?
04:01:51 <tswett> Hiroshima?
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04:10:24 <moon_> I now offically LOVE linux
04:11:25 <zzo38> OK. What kind of distribution and software and so on are you using?
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04:15:22 <moon_> Debian LXDE/Terminal Editor: Nano/Kdevelop etc etc
04:15:45 <moon_> Also, i have yet to get it on a actual pc ): im stuck with guest additions
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04:20:21 <moon_> well now my internet is being annoying and i running at 20 kb/s )=
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04:40:04 <moon_> Seamless mode helps alot
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05:17:05 <Destructible> hi
05:17:40 <Destructible> ello?
05:18:11 <Destructible> anybody?
05:18:12 <izabera> hi
05:18:16 <Destructible> yay
05:18:21 <Destructible> hi izabera
05:18:32 <izabera> yo
05:18:51 <moon_> hi izabera
05:18:57 <Destructible> hi moon_
05:18:58 <izabera> hello
05:19:55 <Destructible> so, I had an idea for an esolang again
05:20:05 <moon_> what is it
05:20:15 <Destructible> in a nutshell
05:20:25 <Destructible> functions that call functions that call functions
05:20:37 <moon_> functions only?
05:20:41 <zzo38> And then what?
05:20:54 <moon_> Functions only has been done
05:21:09 <Destructible> yes
05:21:11 <Destructible> I know
05:21:29 <Destructible> the idea is that the main code can only be so long
05:21:36 <Destructible> like, 10 characters or something
05:21:51 <Destructible> and so functions have to be used, to contain the code
05:22:03 <Destructible> but functions also have a ten character limit
05:22:15 <zzo38> I think that is also done, kind of
05:22:26 <Destructible> maybe
05:23:26 <moon_> sounds like minimalized functonalized C
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05:29:42 <hppavilion[1]> myname: My point was (a) it's 2016, we don't know what the defining event of the century is and (b) even if it was 2100, we probably couldn't name the most defining event of the modern era
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05:31:54 <hppavilion[1]> "Radical centrism"
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05:42:22 <hppavilion[1]> The head of Human Resources at a company should have the title ASE (All-Seeing Eye)
05:43:43 <hppavilion[1]> "However, there are no fnords in the advertisements"
05:43:48 <hppavilion[1]> -- Actual Wikipedia Quote
05:48:29 <Destructible> really
05:54:18 <hppavilion[1]> Destructible: Yes
05:54:31 <hppavilion[1]> Destructible: Granted, it's the page for the The Illuminatus! Trilogy
05:54:39 <hppavilion[1]> Destructible: Which is what brought 'fnord' into popular usage
05:54:46 <Destructible> ok
05:56:12 <coppro> didn't it also invent fnord
05:56:33 <hppavilion[1]> coppro: No, Principia Discordia invented fnord
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06:10:24 <Destructible> p
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06:26:48 <Destructible> hi
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07:33:37 <izabera> http://www.binsim.com/ really interesting
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08:16:06 <hppavilion[1]> *sees square in picture* illuminati debunked
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09:09:24 <hppavilion[1]> It's weird how YouTube says a particular channel was active n hours ago, but won't tell you what that activity was- if it wasn't a new video, it isn't listed at all
09:32:25 <hppavilion[1]> Hm, perhaps I should roll different first-person personal pronouns into my pronountroll not for usage by myself but by /those addressing me/
09:50:00 <hppavilion[1]> The internet is an amazing place
09:51:15 <hppavilion[1]> It's always fun to discover something you'd never think was possible that is now profitable
09:52:51 <hppavilion[1]> Like, I would tell you this was an April Fool's joke if I hadn't stumbled across it myself
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10:30:24 <Destructible> hi
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10:40:11 <Destructible> hi
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11:06:41 <myname> https://t.co/V1SRLKfCo7 c++
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11:11:08 <int-e> unicode is crazy... though in this particular instance one might question the wisdom of allowing whitespace in identifiers.
11:12:10 <gamemanj> It's simple.
11:12:17 <gamemanj> Compiler developers like to remain sane
11:12:23 <int-e> `unidecode аa
11:12:41 <gamemanj> If compiler devs had to keep track of Unicode and decide which characters are "suitable", they'd go nuts.
11:12:47 <HackEgo> ​[U+0430 CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER A] [U+0061 LATIN SMALL LETTER A]
11:13:11 <gamemanj> So they just handle it in UTF-8 and mark 0x80 to 0xFF as ID characters.
11:13:50 <gamemanj> So if you want to use emoji as variable names...
11:13:53 <gamemanj> you can
11:14:06 <gamemanj> The compiler devs just don't care since otherwise they'd go nuts.
11:14:46 <int-e> My main point was that disallowing whitespace would not really solve that problem, since there are distinct unicode codepoints that map to the same glyph anyway
11:16:42 <myname> gamemanj: you usually can just use a unicode library and say "anything that is a letter can be a variable name"
11:17:01 <myname> i am pretty sure zws do not fit in that category
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11:17:27 <gamemanj> myname: let me just go look at the size of some files for a sec...
11:18:31 <gamemanj> File: 'libicudata.so.57.1'
11:18:31 <gamemanj> Size: 25674392
11:18:41 <myname> int-e: you are right with your example. however, you could in theory make an editor render them differently wheres doing so on a zws is not always an option
11:18:43 <gamemanj> now go look at a windows installation of, say, Wireshark
11:18:53 <gamemanj> and you should see the problem with embedding one of these with every program
11:19:09 <myname> who said anything about embedding?
11:19:18 <gamemanj> On Linux it's a system lib but on Windows you don't get that
11:19:22 <myname> also, who cares about that size
11:19:45 <gamemanj> 24MB is pretty big when there's a much simpler solution
11:19:51 <gamemanj> which covers every sane usecase
11:19:58 <gamemanj> and is the solution that other C compilers use too
11:20:06 <myname> it is oretty big, but it is not a problem at all with current drive sizes
11:20:18 <gamemanj> Not a problem, but why bother
11:20:50 <myname> doing things the right way often is the right way
11:21:53 <gamemanj> When the right way involves shipping a 25MB library just to distingulish between characters, for a parser for a language which doesn't really need to know that information anyway,
11:22:02 <gamemanj> I doubt anyone really cares
11:22:31 <int-e> Obviously you don't need all of those 25MB for the compiler.
11:22:42 <int-e> But all this is besides the point.
11:23:40 <int-e> The C language designers (mostly compiler writers) have made a decision, and it's up to the programmers to deal with them... by making sane coding style choices.
11:24:01 <int-e> "don't use zero-width spaces in your identifiers" seems like a no-brainer.
11:25:02 <int-e> (for most purposes I would stick to ASCII outside of comments anyway)
11:25:18 <int-e> and possibly literal strings... depends.
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11:38:09 <hppavilion[1]> Am I the only one around here who wants to put all color TV to shame by making movies that are in MORE than full color?
11:38:16 <hppavilion[1]> By including IR and UV
11:38:43 <gamemanj> ...give me juuust a second to find a scene that would be really good if it was replicated via this technology
11:39:09 <hppavilion[1]> gamemanj: Any movie that includes a nuclear detonation would also include GR
11:39:26 <gamemanj> well, I have something just a tad WORSE
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11:40:27 <gamemanj> almost done...
11:40:44 <hppavilion[1]> gamemanj: What is it?
11:40:52 <gamemanj> uploading...
11:41:34 <hppavilion[1]> gamemanj: uploading?
11:41:48 <gamemanj> ...waiting for things to actually synchronize...
11:42:09 <gamemanj> (Things are running rather slowly today)
11:42:16 <gamemanj> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/21184720/vlcsnap-2016-06-19-11h40m17s769.png
11:42:25 <gamemanj> this
11:42:56 <gamemanj> I'm sure they'll love it to death
11:43:24 <hppavilion[1]> gamemanj: My god that would be amazing
11:43:39 <hppavilion[1]> And it's actually possible because that scene appears to be 100% CGI
11:44:01 <hppavilion[1]> (Though it wouldn't work for the whole film, as not all of it is CGI apparently)
11:44:06 <gamemanj> film?
11:44:39 <hppavilion[1]> gamemanj: That's from the new Star Wars, isn't it?
11:44:44 <gamemanj> Actually it's the second episode of the first-2005-reboot series of Doctor Who.
11:44:49 * hppavilion[1] prepares to seppuku if he's wrong
11:44:53 <hppavilion[1]> Oh?
11:44:56 <hppavilion[1]> Let me look again
11:45:08 <hppavilion[1]> Oh yeah, it is
11:45:18 <hppavilion[1]> The one in the year 10^9
11:45:27 <hppavilion[1]> One gigayear in the future
11:45:32 <hppavilion[1]> And other sciency puns
11:45:37 <gamemanj> Still, the fact you got it so wrong shows that taxpayer money isn't going to waste
11:45:51 <hppavilion[1]> See, I remember seeing a ship looks like the space station in the new Star Wars
11:45:54 <gamemanj> Or, at least, wasn't.
11:46:34 <hppavilion[1]> It may have been something else, I suppose
11:47:30 <hppavilion[1]> Maybe I saw it in a HISHE for one of the prequels?
11:48:36 <hppavilion[1]> I could have also seen it in a meme and assumed it was from somewhere else for some reason
11:48:40 <hppavilion[1]> I'm a real geek, I swear
11:49:42 <gamemanj> Show me your registration card, then!
11:51:45 <gamemanj> ...
11:52:27 <hppavilion[1]> gamemanj: Shall I FTP it to you? It's signed with GPG, though my GPG is so secure that my public key is a secret
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11:52:42 <myname> lol ftp
11:52:43 <gamemanj> your public key is a secret.
11:52:45 <gamemanj> ...
11:52:48 <gamemanj> and FTP.
11:52:49 <hppavilion[1]> gamemanj: Correct
11:52:56 <gamemanj> who uses FTP nowadays...
11:53:06 <hppavilion[1]> FTP = fuckin' telecommunications protocols...
11:53:19 <hppavilion[1]> Not to be confused with the more limited FTP = File Transfer Protocol
11:54:11 <myname> all you do is making it worse
11:57:11 <hppavilion[1]> It's funny that the south is the largest consumer of porn tagged "ebony" in the US
11:57:38 <gamemanj> it's rather unusual that you have access to such data
11:57:44 <hppavilion[1]> (well, I suppose that could be the black population rather than the outwardly racist population)
11:57:53 <hppavilion[1]> gamemanj: Not really; there are lots of studies
11:58:02 <gamemanj> by WHO
11:58:14 <hppavilion[1]> gamemanj: Many porn sites have given anonymous statistics to scientists or even published the studies themselves
11:58:39 <hppavilion[1]> gamemanj: Pornhub has an entire subdomain dedicated to research and data analysis
11:58:45 <int-e> porn is degrading, I don't see any contradiction
11:59:04 <gamemanj> scientific smutty sites setup studies showing some statistical subtleties
11:59:26 <hppavilion[1]> Their labs are, of course, staffed by beautiful women wearing lab coats and glasses because the producers think it makes them look smarter
11:59:47 <gamemanj> what next, red hair?
12:00:27 <hppavilion[1]> int-e: Is it /really/ though? I mean, if you're homophobic, you don't tend to watch lots of gay porn (well, unless you're homophobic BECAUSE you're gay and you're trying to make up for it because of the gay shaming that religion has brought down on you)
12:01:30 <hppavilion[1]> My home state clearly has high rates of ADHD; the top search term here is "compilation"
12:02:12 <hppavilion[1]> (Then again, maybe that's just me)
12:02:44 <hppavilion[1]> Oh, there's a canada version
12:02:56 <hppavilion[1]> I'd name the searches, but I don't canada
12:03:19 <hppavilion[1]> They appear to be big on (a) animation-based and (b) racially-cast
12:03:28 <myname> at least it's not cumpilation
12:04:39 <hppavilion[1]> myname: They probably lumped that in but called it "compilation" because it's less obscene
12:05:14 <myname> less obscene equals less good
12:05:19 <hppavilion[1]> The Yukon Territory is big on... tickling? Really?
12:05:37 <hppavilion[1]> And- to no one's surprise- the top term in Quebec is literally "Quebec"
12:06:14 <hppavilion[1]> There are literally 4 different provinces that all search by race, and /all of the races are different/
12:07:11 <hppavilion[1]> According to the world map
12:07:28 <hppavilion[1]> The most viewed category by women on /the entire north american continent/ is "Lesbian"
12:07:33 <hppavilion[1]> Russian women are fans of anal
12:08:02 <hppavilion[1]> No data for Saudi Arabia of course
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12:08:53 <hppavilion[1]> Oh, the canada map was weighted based on other provinces
12:10:29 <hppavilion[1]> Oooh, this is fun, a map of what states should be embarassed for googling more than everyone else(non-porn)
12:10:39 <hppavilion[1]> Alaska is too interested in Nicholas Cage
12:10:50 <hppavilion[1]> South Dakota loves Lion Hunting
12:11:05 <hppavilion[1]> Rhode island- appropriately- wants to know the average penis size
12:11:19 <hppavilion[1]> Marylanders don't know whether they're virgins
12:11:41 <hppavilion[1]> Illinois...ans want to know whether WWE is fake (it is)
12:11:58 <hppavilion[1]> Michigan... does way too many image searches for "outhouse"
12:12:26 <hppavilion[1]> (wait, that's wisconsin)
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12:14:00 <hppavilion[1]> My home city is a fan of smoking... weird, I've never searched for that
12:15:34 <hppavilion[1]> Far too many people search for "Thanksgiving", by which I mean any at all
12:16:45 <hppavilion[1]> OK, honestly Pornhub, don't try to do statistics involving age
12:16:57 <hppavilion[1]> You know as well as we do it won't be accurate
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12:37:08 <int-e> oerjanello
12:41:34 <hppavilion[1]> oerjan: The current channel discussion is: Search statistics
12:42:31 <oerjan> i shall search for it. linearly.
12:42:40 <hppavilion[1]> "Because your forebears oppressed our forebears, we are justified in hating you"
12:42:46 <oerjan> internoon-e
12:43:09 <oerjan> i'm in luck, i'm not descended from bears
12:43:27 <hppavilion[1]> oerjan: Really? Most people have about 4 in their family tree
12:43:35 <oerjan> shocking
12:43:41 <hppavilion[1]> Hm, what's the most recent common ancestor of bears and humans?
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12:46:48 <oerjan> hppavilion[1]: probably back in the cretaceous, if i'm reading wikipedia right
12:47:11 <hppavilion[1]> oerjan: Have you seen Wikipedia's List of Cetations, btw?
12:47:20 <oerjan> yes.
12:47:25 <izabera> hppavilion[1]: http://www.growlrapp.com/
12:47:52 <hppavilion[1]> oerjan: That's convenient. Has everyone in the channel read every Wikipedia page?
12:48:31 <izabera> is that a scream of joy?
12:48:35 <hppavilion[1]> (A convenient lookup of who to target my hatecrimes at)
12:48:39 * hppavilion[1] is a terrible person
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12:49:21 <hppavilion[1]> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YuOBzWF0Aws ("If Google Was a Guy", collegehumor)
12:49:53 <hppavilion[1]> (Someone Searches "Boston Bomber", Guygle says "Real Tragedy" and she appends "Cute One")
12:50:46 <izabera> did you just say guygle
12:51:05 <oerjan> hppavilion[1]: paleontologists and molecular geneticists disagree on just about everything there btw hth
12:51:19 <hppavilion[1]> izabera: Yes
12:51:30 <oerjan> hppavilion[1]: only those pages that were mentioned yesterday hth
12:57:02 <hppavilion[1]> I wonder if Science can sue Google to get them to stop offering results claiming vaccines cause autism on the grounds that think of the children
13:03:08 <hppavilion[1]> Aww, google refuses to do an aileron roll
13:07:18 <hppavilion[1]> Flatland as directed by Michael Bay
13:09:15 <gamemanj> so the lines are assasins now?
13:09:21 <hppavilion[1]> http://www.flatlandthemovie.com/ exists?
13:10:06 <hppavilion[1]> Oh, it's on youtube
13:10:07 <hppavilion[1]> I think
13:15:50 <hppavilion[1]> Waaaaaaaaait
13:15:57 <hppavilion[1]> They have a square whose son is a hexagon
13:16:04 <hppavilion[1]> I smell inaccuracy
13:16:25 <oerjan> hppavilion[1]: polygonist!
13:16:37 <hppavilion[1]> oerjan: That doesn't work
13:16:47 <oerjan> sideist!
13:17:05 <hppavilion[1]> oerjan: That's like arguing it's racist to be confused when a white couple's child is black (and no adoption or such has occurred)
13:17:22 <hppavilion[1]> (I just had to check I said "adoption" instead of "abduction")
13:18:42 <hppavilion[1]> Hm, it's interesting that there are no parallelograms in Flatland (I suppose it has to do with irregularity, but still)
13:21:01 <hppavilion[1]> There are also no ovals...
13:26:02 <gamemanj> 4 + 1 = 6
13:26:06 <gamemanj> that's standard maths
13:26:40 <gamemanj> ...unless you consider a line to be infinitely thin but two-sided
13:26:46 <gamemanj> then it works
13:27:32 <gamemanj> Square (4) + Line (2) == Hexagon (6)
13:29:52 <gamemanj> so in other news I think hppavilion[1] should start a class called "Flatland Genetics And You: How To Optimize For Success"
13:30:10 <gamemanj> with this newfound information
13:31:22 <hppavilion[1]> gamemanj: In modal logic, the sum of two positive numbers can be less than the normal sum. But are there any places it can be more?
13:32:15 <gamemanj> As I said, it might not be special maths
13:32:27 <gamemanj> Just a different consideration of a line
13:36:59 <izabera> https://github.com/facebookresearch/darkforestGo they opened darkforest
13:57:59 <oerjan> <boily> `` sed -i 's/voluminous/above average, not too voluminous, /' wisdom/taneb <-- WHAT DID YOU DO TO YOUR EYEBROWS
13:58:52 <oerjan> `? taneb
13:59:16 <HackEgo> Taneb is not elliott, no matter who you ask. He also isn't a rabbi although he has pretended in the past. He has at least two backup keyboards with dodgy SHIFT KEys, cube root of eight genders, and above average, not too voluminous, but calm eyebrows. (See also: tanebventions)
13:59:49 <oerjan> `slwd taneb//s/ but/but/
13:59:58 <HackEgo> wisdom/taneb//Taneb is not elliott, no matter who you ask. He also isn't a rabbi although he has pretended in the past. He has at least two backup keyboards with dodgy SHIFT KEys, cube root of eight genders, and above average, not too voluminous, but calm eyebrows. (See also: tanebventions)
14:06:04 <gamemanj> `wisdom tanebventions
14:06:09 <HackEgo> tanebventions: math//Mathematical tanebventions include D-modules, Chu spaces, the torus, Stephen Wolfram, the reals, Lambek's lemma, pointless topology, and histograms.
14:19:01 <hppavilion[1]> gamemanj: Oh! I found where I saw the similar image!
14:19:05 <hppavilion[1]> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2JU4gX6rg8
14:19:48 <gamemanj> When?
14:19:58 <gamemanj> 1:42?
14:20:08 <gamemanj> my goodness
14:20:11 <gamemanj> you can see the polygons
14:20:24 <gamemanj> in that "sphere"
14:23:36 <oerjan> <int-e> I found that hard to believe <-- IT'S TRUE I SWEAR
14:29:35 <hppavilion[1]> What's the proper penance for thinking "You know what would've made the original trilogy better?"
14:33:33 <hppavilion[1]> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSgJeVwjnpc almost makes the prequels seem good
14:34:36 <oerjan> hppavilion[1]: reading through all of darths & droids hth
14:57:49 <hppavilion[1]> Wow, tvtropes is already preparing for the next president by referring to Obama as "then-president Barack Obama"
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14:58:29 <gamemanj> well, better to start now vs. find yourself outdated later
14:58:46 <gamemanj> by the time all the references have been found it'll have happened
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15:02:33 <hppavilion[1]> I hate the math clock so much
15:02:44 <hppavilion[1]> Because it lists 9 as "3(pi-0.14)"
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15:09:23 <oerjan> gamemanj: clearly the solution is to use a template
15:22:28 <quintopia> helloerjan
15:24:52 <oerjan> quintellopia
15:26:14 <quintopia> what is your fagorite animal to consume, if any?
15:26:24 <quintopia> favorite
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15:32:51 <quintopia> helloily
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15:33:37 <oerjan> bohily
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15:34:38 <quintopia> oerjan wont tell me his favorite animal to consume. what is yours?
15:35:32 <boily> quinthellopia! not too hungover from a night of debauchery and wild abandon?
15:35:37 <boily> hellørjan!
15:35:45 <quintopia> a little bit yes
15:35:52 <boily> I think my all time favourite is pork.
15:36:05 <quintopia> but i have some salty pig and biscuits to comfort me
15:37:16 <boily> oerjan: what is your favourite animal to consume?
15:37:27 <boily> quintopia: real southern biscuits?
15:38:59 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[MailBox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=47234&oldid=34448 * IAM * (+63)
15:41:37 <quintopia> i dunno. probably tinned biscuits. my dad makes the real homecooked ones
15:42:37 <quintopia> so...do you need gabeer?
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15:44:53 <boily> I could use some gabeer, yes.
15:46:23 <quintopia> beerswap? if there are any quebeers besides unibroue, that is
15:46:39 <quintopia> *quebieres
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15:47:03 <oerjan> <gamemanj> The compiler devs just don't care since otherwise they'd go nuts. <-- GHC does call a unicode classification API. which means some identifiers suddenly got illegal last they updated the Unicode version.
15:47:49 <oerjan> and also they're not entirely consistent on the whitespace handling.
15:47:58 <oerjan> (which i reported as a bug once)
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15:50:48 <oerjan> boily: koalas hth
15:52:16 <oerjan> . o O ( be queer with quebeer )
15:52:29 <boily> quintopia: there are many beers besides Unibroue!
15:52:49 <quintopia> joy
15:52:55 <boily> beerswap!
15:53:07 <boily> are koalas edible?
15:53:13 <oerjan> almost certainly.
15:53:43 <quintopia> tasty tasty chlamydia
15:53:58 <quintopia> that is certainly misspelled
15:54:10 <boily> sgtm hth
15:58:11 <quintopia> `? sgtm
15:58:22 <HackEgo> Sergeant Mustard
15:58:30 <quintopia> oh okay
15:58:41 <quintopia> so tdnhful
15:58:43 <boily> Seems Good To Me hth
15:58:48 <boily> `? nah
15:58:51 <HackEgo> no ambiguity here
15:59:32 <quintopia> i lost your address. (in my irclogs somewhere but you're /right there/)
15:59:49 <quintopia> how many beers are in a swap?
16:00:42 <boily> eeeeeh... I'd say at least two: a northbound beer and a southbound one.
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16:01:47 <boily> but a single beer is boring.
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16:06:32 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Semantic Brain]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=47235&oldid=45555 * SilverWingedSeraph * (-1) Fix number of cells on the data tape.
16:08:29 <quintopia> yes
16:08:44 <quintopia> so what is the ideal number
16:10:23 <boily> a pair of beers sounds right for a start, to gauge postal fees and if it's feasible and stuff like that.
16:12:59 <quintopia> sftm
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16:14:13 <oerjan> `learn SFTM is the Science Fiction Theory of Mail.
16:14:18 <HackEgo> Learned 'sftm': SFTM is the Science Fiction Theory of Mail.
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16:19:42 * boily casts orb of destruction. FOOM!
16:19:48 * boily cackles evilly :D
16:21:44 <quintopia> :(
16:24:02 <boily> was playing crawl, and blasting critters away.
16:24:19 <boily> I ain't be destroying nobody here! that'd be mean.
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16:49:20 <quintopia> i just found a cute blog.
16:49:43 <quintopia> an oldie writing about growing up in england in the 50s
16:50:01 <quintopia> filled with sneering condescion towards the youth of today
16:50:46 <quintopia> *condescencion
16:53:16 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Semantic Brain]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=47236&oldid=47235 * SilverWingedSeraph * (+0) /* Language overview */
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17:03:38 <gamemanj> I wouldn't consider that a cute blog, myself...
17:06:45 <int-e> hmm my #esoteric equivalent of http://garfieldminusgarfield.net/ is working out well. (It's #esoteric without hppavilion[1] ...)
17:09:57 <boily> int-ello. what is that?
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17:12:14 <int-e> garfieldminusgarfield is just what the name says... garfield strips with the imaginary talking cat edited out
17:12:18 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Tounz * New user account
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17:13:29 <Tounz> Hello
17:15:51 <Tounz> https://github.com/TortegaFR/StackBasedVirtualMachine.
17:17:11 <izabera> there's a lollipop in a commit message
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17:30:51 <int-e> helloon_!
17:33:26 <izabera> `` df
17:33:35 <HackEgo> df: cannot read table of mounted file systems: No such file or directory
17:33:40 <izabera> welp
17:33:44 <izabera> `` df /
17:33:46 <HackEgo> df: Warning: cannot read table of mounted file systems: No such file or directory \ Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on \ - 0 0 0 - /
17:34:04 <izabera> `` mount; cat /proc/mounts
17:34:07 <HackEgo> none on /bin type hostfs (ro,nosuid,relatime,/bin/) \ none on /usr type hostfs (ro,nosuid,relatime,/usr/) \ none on /dev type hostfs (ro,nosuid,relatime,/dev/) \ none on /opt type hostfs (ro,nosuid,relatime,/opt/) \ none on /lib type hostfs (ro,nosuid,relatime,/lib/) \ none on /sbin type hostfs (ro,nosuid,relatime,/sbin/) \ none on /lib64 type host
17:35:22 <izabera> `` ls /dev/zero
17:35:24 <HackEgo> ​/dev/zero
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17:35:37 <izabera> `` dd if=/dev/zero of=zero bs=1G count=1
17:35:42 <HackEgo> dd: memory exhausted by input buffer of size 1073741824 bytes (1.0 GiB)
17:35:54 <izabera> `` du -b zero
17:35:57 <HackEgo> 0zero
17:36:03 <izabera> `` dd if=/dev/zero of=zero bs=1M count=1
17:36:08 <HackEgo> 1+0 records in \ 1+0 records out \ 1048576 bytes (1.0 MB) copied, 0.018102 s, 57.9 MB/s
17:36:15 <izabera> `` dd if=/dev/zero of=zero bs=1M count=100
17:36:26 <HackEgo> ​/hackenv/bin/`: line 4: 296 File size limit exceededdd if=/dev/zero of=zero bs=1M count=100
17:37:07 <izabera> `` ulimit -f
17:37:08 <HackEgo> 10240
17:37:20 <izabera> `` echo $USER
17:37:22 <HackEgo> No output.
17:37:27 <izabera> `` whoami
17:37:29 <HackEgo> whoami: cannot find name for user ID 5000
17:37:45 <izabera> `` ulimit -a
17:37:47 <HackEgo> core file size (blocks, -c) 0 \ data seg size (kbytes, -d) unlimited \ scheduling priority (-e) 0 \ file size (blocks, -f) 10240 \ pending signals (-i) 1955 \ max locked memory (kbytes, -l) 0 \ max memory size (kbytes, -m) unlimited \ open files (-n) 102
17:38:18 <izabera> `` ulimit -a | sed 1,/open/d
17:38:20 <HackEgo> pipe size (512 bytes, -p) 8 \ POSIX message queues (bytes, -q) 819200 \ real-time priority (-r) 0 \ stack size (kbytes, -s) 8192 \ cpu time (seconds, -t) unlimited \ max user processes (-u) 128 \ virtual memory (kbytes, -v) unlimited \ file locks (-x)
17:39:29 <izabera> `` ls /proc
17:39:32 <HackEgo> 1 \ 10 \ 2 \ 281 \ 285 \ 286 \ 287 \ 288 \ 289 \ 290 \ 291 \ 292 \ 293 \ 294 \ 295 \ 296 \ 3 \ 4 \ 47 \ 49 \ 5 \ 51 \ 6 \ 68 \ 7 \ 76 \ 77 \ 8 \ 9 \ buddyinfo \ bus \ cgroups \ cmdline \ config.gz \ consoles \ cpuinfo \ crypto \ devices \ diskstats \ driver \ execdomains \ exitcode \ filesystems \ fs \ interrupts \ iomem \ ioports \ irq \ kallsyms
17:39:44 <izabera> `` ls /proc/!([0-9]*)
17:39:46 <HackEgo> ​/proc/buddyinfo \ /proc/cgroups \ /proc/cmdline \ /proc/config.gz \ /proc/consoles \ /proc/cpuinfo \ /proc/crypto \ /proc/devices \ /proc/diskstats \ /proc/execdomains \ /proc/exitcode \ /proc/filesystems \ /proc/interrupts \ /proc/iomem \ /proc/ioports \ /proc/kallsyms \ /proc/kcore \ /proc/kmsg \ /proc/kpagecount \ /proc/kpageflags \ /proc/loa
17:40:01 <izabera> `` ls /proc/!([0-9]*) | sed 1,/kpageflags/d
17:40:03 <HackEgo> ​/proc/loadavg \ /proc/locks \ /proc/meminfo \ /proc/misc \ /proc/mounts \ /proc/pagetypeinfo \ /proc/partitions \ /proc/slabinfo \ /proc/softirqs \ /proc/stat \ /proc/sysemu \ /proc/sysrq-trigger \ /proc/timer_list \ /proc/uptime \ /proc/version \ /proc/vmallocinfo \ /proc/vmstat \ /proc/zoneinfo \ \ /proc/bus: \ \ /proc/driver: \ \ /proc/fs:
17:40:14 <izabera> `` ls -d /proc/!([0-9]*) | sed 1,/kpageflags/d
17:40:16 <HackEgo> ​/proc/loadavg \ /proc/locks \ /proc/meminfo \ /proc/misc \ /proc/mounts \ /proc/net \ /proc/pagetypeinfo \ /proc/partitions \ /proc/self \ /proc/slabinfo \ /proc/softirqs \ /proc/stat \ /proc/sys \ /proc/sysemu \ /proc/sysrq-trigger \ /proc/sysvipc \ /proc/timer_list \ /proc/tty \ /proc/uptime \ /proc/version \ /proc/vmallocinfo \ /proc/vmstat \
17:42:23 <izabera> `` rm x
17:42:26 <HackEgo> rm: cannot remove `x': No such file or directory
17:42:26 <izabera> `` rm zero
17:42:31 <HackEgo> No output.
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17:55:10 <izabera> `` hostname
17:55:11 <HackEgo> umlbox
17:55:36 <izabera> `` grep data /proc/iomap
17:55:38 <HackEgo> grep: /proc/iomap: No such file or directory
17:55:54 <izabera> uml doesn't have iomap?
17:56:03 <izabera> `` ls /dev/mem
17:56:05 <HackEgo> ​/dev/mem
17:56:12 <izabera> `` ls /dev/{,k}mem
17:56:14 <HackEgo> ​/dev/kmem \ /dev/mem
17:57:54 <izabera> `` paste /proc/config.gz
17:58:06 <HackEgo> http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/paste/paste.11642
17:58:23 <izabera> that didn't work
17:58:45 <izabera> `` gunzip < /proc/config.gz > out; paste out
17:58:53 <HackEgo> http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/out
18:06:22 <izabera> `` echo o > /proc/sysrq-trigger; echo alive
18:06:24 <HackEgo> ​/hackenv/bin/`: line 4: /proc/sysrq-trigger: Permission denied \ alive
18:10:06 <izabera> `` cat /proc/1/cmdline
18:10:08 <HackEgo> ​/init.
18:13:21 <izabera> i've never used usermode linux and i don't feel like compiling a kernel right now
18:13:35 <izabera> who provides /proc and /dev ?
18:13:48 <izabera> the actual kernel or uml?
18:16:53 <int-e> uml
18:17:31 <int-e> It is a significant part of the linux kernel after all...
18:18:32 <int-e> `paste /proc/mounts
18:18:38 <HackEgo> http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/paste/paste.26852
18:19:27 <int-e> as you can see there, there's a 'hostfs' fs type for interaction. there's also a character device, hmmm
18:19:31 <int-e> `paste /proc/devices
18:19:37 <HackEgo> http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/paste/paste.29080
18:20:01 <int-e> the ubd thing... oh it's a block device, my bad.
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18:24:36 <gamemanj> izabera: Welcome to the Gamemanj Kernel Compile Service! Provides mostly normal kernels, with only 28.8% NSA-approved code!
18:24:41 <gamemanj> ...
18:25:08 <izabera> that's not even bad
18:25:31 * gamemanj receives a call
18:25:36 <gamemanj> ...
18:25:46 <gamemanj> Ok, up that number to 100%, they're replacing the entire source tree.
18:25:50 <int-e> `? nsa
18:25:52 <HackEgo> nsa? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
18:26:39 <MoonyTheDwarf> They already started stalking people over windows 10 (Microsoft proudly proclaimed that too, just worded diffrent)]
18:27:40 <int-e> did I mention http://www.sandraandwoo.com/2016/06/09/0793-an-offer-you-cant-refuse-ww/
18:28:59 <myname> i like the cyanide&happiness more
18:29:04 <gamemanj> MoonyTheDwarf: And oddly enough...
18:29:09 <gamemanj> MoonyTheDwarf: I'm not surprised.
18:30:28 <int-e> Hmm, "Where do you want to go today?" used to be an MS slogan. Now they've stopped asking that question...
18:32:01 <gamemanj> That's because they replaced it
18:32:08 <gamemanj> "Where do we want you to go today?"
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18:46:31 <MoonyTheDwarf> hi hppavilion[1]
18:47:06 <hppavilion[1]> MoonyTheDwarf: CHOOSE. A CONSISTENT. NICK.
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18:47:23 <moon_> sorry
18:47:26 <myname> chill down
18:47:27 <moon_> i forgot to switch
18:47:47 <myname> i am tempted to change my nick just du annoy you
18:48:03 <myname> to even
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18:59:36 <hppavilion[1]> hppavillion_poke: You can choose any non-confusing nick you want as long as you keep it consistent and make backup nicks clearly reflect the base nick
19:09:03 <hppavilion[1]> Hm, evolutionarily speaking, males and females are in competition in many cases
19:09:10 <hppavilion[1]> Which I imagine is why the female eats her mate
19:09:53 <hppavilion[1]> If the mate is good, then her offspring will be good. It's in her best interests to make sure the male doesn't reproduce further, creating good offspring that don't belong to her.
19:10:52 <gamemanj> why would the male want to mate if they're going to die
19:10:54 <izabera> hppavillion_poke: fun fact: hppavilion[1]_ has the same color in weechat as hppavilion[1]
19:11:00 <izabera> gamemanj: because mating
19:11:14 <izabera> have you ever seen futurama?
19:11:27 <hppavilion[1]> gamemanj: Because if they don't mate then their genes stop with them
19:11:30 <izabera> zoidberg's home planet etc
19:11:53 <gamemanj> what about mating followed by not dying
19:11:57 <hppavilion[1]> gamemanj: The ones that decide it's worth it are the only ones who have babies
19:12:06 <hppavilion[1]> gamemanj: Well that's where the competition comes in
19:12:10 <izabera> gamemanj: inconceivable
19:12:24 <hppavilion[1]> gamemanj: It's ideal for the males to mate without dying, but it's ideal for the females to be the only mate of the male
19:12:44 <gamemanj> ...flipping yanderes.
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19:42:31 <izabera> `` paste /proc/iomem
19:42:48 <HackEgo> http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/paste/paste.21164
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19:43:29 <izabera> `` cat /proc/iomem
19:43:31 <HackEgo> No output.
19:43:34 <izabera> -_-
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19:56:43 <^v> ive been working on a high level language that compiles to brainfuck if anyone is interested, https://github.com/P-T-/bftoast
19:57:41 <^v> by the end of the week i think ill have basic programs compiled (only inline functions)
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19:58:54 <^v> and later ill have recursive functions, yieldable tasks, and a few complex types
20:00:06 <^v> after version 1.0 ill work on namespaces, structs, OO classes, and more advanced task functions
20:07:18 <izabera> very nice
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20:16:34 <hppavilion[1]> MSORPG
20:16:43 <hppavilion[1]> (Massively Singleplayer Offline Role-Playing Games)
20:16:55 <gamemanj> ^ (aka RPGs)
20:17:52 <hppavilion[1]> gamemanj: But those aren't massively singleplayer; they're just singleplayer
20:18:00 <gamemanj> then what's massively singleplayer
20:18:12 <hppavilion[1]> What's the most absurd game genre acronym available?
20:19:08 <hppavilion[1]> MMOTD?
20:19:15 <hppavilion[1]> MMOTDRPG?
20:19:17 <gamemanj> "Dynamically Attacking New Game Objectives"?
20:19:18 <hppavilion[1]> Wait, that's probably a thing
20:19:32 <hppavilion[1]> gamemanj: No, I'm going for genre names
20:20:04 <hppavilion[1]> gamemanj: Also, replace "Dynamically" with "Radically" and you've got a book deal and the funding of several major corporations
20:20:14 <hppavilion[1]> RANGO
20:20:17 <gamemanj> hmph
20:20:40 <gamemanj> DANGO is nicer! Dango, dango, dango, dango, dango daik--*Interrupted during run by length limit.*
20:20:44 <^v> massively singleplayer
20:20:49 <hppavilion[1]> MMOPG?
20:20:50 <^v> so like no mans sky?
20:20:54 <hppavilion[1]> (PG = Programming Game)
20:21:13 <hppavilion[1]> MMO Puzzle
20:21:16 <^v> technically a multiplayer game but you are so far away it might aswell be singleplayer?
20:21:35 <hppavilion[1]> (I guess curiosity would be kind of a casual MMO puzzle?)
20:21:44 <gamemanj> "Jumping Around Silly Puzzles, and Editing Registry"
20:22:13 <hppavilion[1]> Hahahahahahahaha https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_video_game is a real thing
20:22:44 <^v> AVGN bible games?
20:22:58 <hppavilion[1]> MMOFPS
20:23:03 <hppavilion[1]> Whoops
20:23:06 <hppavilion[1]> MMOFSM
20:23:16 <hppavilion[1]> Massively Multiplayer Online Finite State Machine
20:23:28 <gamemanj> hppavilion[1]: I will not fall for your tricks! I know you inserted zero-width-spaces to take me to a rickroll page... uh, right? Actually, I'm not sure. Are those my indicator for ZWSes or just dust on the... nvm. They're just dust on the screen.
20:23:51 <hppavilion[1]> Glld mlb
20:23:54 <hppavilion[1]> *Good job
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20:24:21 <hppavilion[1]> gamemanj: How would ZWSes even rickroll you there?
20:24:24 <myname> are there MMOPGs?
20:24:33 <hppavilion[1]> Besides, I would most certainly duckroll you rather than rickroll
20:24:38 <hppavilion[1]> myname: For what definition of PG?
20:24:46 <gamemanj> hppavilion[1]: the domain name
20:24:51 <myname> programming game
20:24:56 <hppavilion[1]> gamemanj: That doesn't sound possible
20:25:03 <gamemanj> hppavilion[1]: It probably isn't
20:25:06 <myname> gamemanj: that doesn't make sense
20:25:13 <hppavilion[1]> myname: I think there's one called codespells that is basically a wizardy game with actually code
20:25:15 <gamemanj> myname: It probably doesn't
20:25:18 <hppavilion[1]> *actual
20:25:21 <gamemanj> But... it's fun to describe.
20:25:23 <hppavilion[1]> You cast spells with code
20:25:40 <hppavilion[1]> gamemanj: It's certainly pseudo-possible; probably not here, but it /could have been/
20:26:28 * gamemanj messes around... "en.wikipediෝ.org"... eh, close enough
20:26:46 <hppavilion[1]> MMOMUD
20:26:53 <hppavilion[1]> Oh wait, that's just a MUD with too many players
20:27:10 <hppavilion[1]> MMOTS
20:27:20 <hppavilion[1]> Train simulator + FPS
20:27:21 <myname> MMOTD?
20:27:35 <coppro> MMOTSes are awesome
20:27:42 <coppro> openttdcoop is fun
20:40:03 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * MeowflashDaProgrammer * New user account
20:50:02 <gamemanj> hppavilion[1]: first person train simulator 1887. Now includes simulation of diseases that affect breathing!
20:50:36 <gamemanj> (The special edition package contains an additional lump of coal.)
20:50:45 <gamemanj> (It's generally sold at Christmas.)
20:51:24 <hppavilion[1]> Hm, it looks like John 3:16 in phrased radically differently in the SAB translation
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21:24:16 <hppavilion[1]> It's the current year, so why are things I don't like still around?
21:27:45 <^v> new brainfuck derivative: yiffFuck
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21:33:44 <^v> <ds84182> no
21:33:44 <^v> <ds84182> That is a stupid idea and you should be neutered
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21:49:52 <Koen_> ^v: the consensus is "no more brainfuck derivatives"
21:51:20 <myname> at least not if it is not interesting
21:51:31 <myname> which is pretty unlikely for a bf derivate
21:54:16 <^v> i have a goal of atleast 20 generic boring bf derivatives by the end of the month
21:54:35 <^v> each with absolutely no interpreter and misleading / nonfunctional example code
21:54:45 <^v> i will make esolangs great again
21:55:00 <^v> by blocking out the infirior complex well thought out languages
21:56:34 <Koen_> new game: hit the "random page" button on the esolangs wiki
21:56:42 <Koen_> you win if you do not hit a brainfuck derivative
21:57:10 <myname> or feature request: "random non-bf page"
21:57:17 <Koen_> (I lied, it's not new)
21:57:22 <Koen_> oh, that would be a good one
21:57:58 <myname> from the newer languages, efghij is my absolute favorite
21:58:07 <nortti> https://archive.org/details/pocorgtfo12 has translating arbitrary C programs to bytecode that can be executed without branches, by the way of x86 mov
21:58:17 <nortti> article number 5
21:58:34 <myname> there is a github repo for movfuscating
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22:06:58 <^v> making branchless code is not a new concept
22:07:23 <^v> but the difficulty depends on the language
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22:17:15 <quintopia> koen: I wanted to play this game. i lost.
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23:23:46 <oerjan> @tell izabera <izabera> `` gunzip < /proc/config.gz > out; paste out <-- paste can be piped into hth
23:23:46 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
23:33:28 <\oren\> hmmm I was thinking about heapsort
23:35:40 <\oren\> ooh Scholar Refia has zettai ryouki
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23:46:25 <int-e> oerjan: I thought about suggesting that... but we get a commit either way...
23:47:00 <int-e> `` echo bin/z*
23:47:09 <HackEgo> bin/zalgo bin/zalgoerjan bin/zalgoverload bin/zalgreet bin/zzote
23:49:20 <oerjan> int-e: yeah but we don't mess up the top directory
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