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00:00:12 <izabera> could also add stuff like sed /x/d
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00:00:49 <izabera> but then x and d can't be 0
00:02:05 <FireFly> `` ls *mp3
00:02:08 <HackEgo> ls: cannot access *mp3: No such file or directory
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00:35:02 <boily> `` find -iname '*.mp3' -type f
00:35:22 <HackEgo> ​./share/Complaints.mp3
00:35:39 <boily> `` file -krs share/Complaints.mp3
00:35:43 <HackEgo> share/Complaints.mp3: ASCII text
00:36:36 <oerjan> `` ls bin/*comp*
00:36:38 <HackEgo> bin/complain \ bin/complaints
00:36:42 <boily> Yesterday upon the stair, I heard an MP3 that wasn't there.
00:37:33 <oerjan> a, ic
00:39:59 <boily> an MP3 is not meant to be seen, only heard.
00:40:21 <boily> (unless you're Aphex Twin and your face is in there.)
00:40:22 <oerjan> `quote obscure
00:40:24 <HackEgo> 789) <Phantom__Hoover> the scene: it is a warm summer's day in scotland, although one obscured by cloud and the fact that it is september \ 1243) <ais523> (on another note, I love the way that the standard way to indicate that you get a reference is to make a different obscure reference to the same thing)
00:42:26 <boily> my references aren't *that* obscure...
00:42:37 <boily> most of the time, at least. or approximatively so.
00:42:59 <oerjan> OKAY
00:43:04 <shachaf> `complaints
00:43:06 <HackEgo> 16 share/Complaints.mp3
00:43:20 <FireFly> `camera obscure
00:43:21 <HackEgo> ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: camera: not found
00:43:42 <shachaf> `url share/Complaints.mp3
00:44:00 <shachaf> `help
00:44:02 <HackEgo> Runs arbitrary code in GNU/Linux. Type "`<command>", or "`run <command>" for full shell commands. "`fetch <URL>" downloads files. Files saved to $PWD are persistent, and $PWD/bin is in $PATH. $PWD is a mercurial repository, "`revert <rev>" can be used to revert to a revision. See http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/
00:44:04 <HackEgo> http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/share/Complaints.mp3
00:45:15 <shachaf> `complain I haven't been around kittens for a long time.
00:45:20 <HackEgo> Complaint filed. Thank you.
00:45:59 <shachaf> `complain The complaints file is too long to view in-channel.
00:46:02 <HackEgo> Complaint filed. Thank you.
00:46:19 <FireFly> `shuf share/Complaints.mp3
00:46:20 <shachaf> `complain Complaints don't get removed after they're addressed.
00:46:20 <HackEgo> now the former complaints make no sense because the complaints file was moved \ The complaints above are not using periods properly. \ Also, Gregor is never here to fix his bots. \ The floors are cold. \ I haven't been around kittens for a long time. \ Newbies get confused by everything HackEgo. \ Some people don't use the right command for filing
00:46:23 <HackEgo> Complaint filed. Thank you.
00:46:36 <shachaf> HireFly
00:46:57 <FireFly> shalomchaf
00:46:59 <shachaf> what are you hired for
00:50:11 <shachaf> `complain I'd like to make the complaints file longer, but I can't think of any good complaints.
00:50:15 <HackEgo> Complaint filed. Thank you.
00:50:45 <shachaf> `complain I often have trouble getting to sleep.
00:50:48 <HackEgo> Complaint filed. Thank you.
00:55:20 <izabera> `` complain "$(( tr -dc a-z < /dev/urandom | head -c 10000 ))"
00:55:22 <HackEgo> ​/hackenv/bin/`: line 4: tr -dc a-z < /dev/urandom | head -c 10000 : syntax error in expression (error token is "a-z < /dev/urandom | head -c 10000 ")
00:55:29 <izabera> ooops
00:55:32 <izabera> `` complain "$( tr -dc a-z < /dev/urandom | head -c 10000 )"
00:55:36 <HackEgo> Complaint filed. Thank you.
00:56:47 <shachaf> `revert
00:56:50 <HackEgo> rm: cannot remove `/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/env/.hg/store/data/canary.orig': Is a directory \ Done.
00:57:08 <shachaf> You're being a bit of a jerk there.
00:57:14 <shachaf> I've half a mind to complain about it.
00:59:04 <oerjan> it's just the annoyingness singularity.
00:59:35 <oerjan> the annoyingness of the world is growing superexponentially.
00:59:43 <oerjan> `? superexponential growth
00:59:55 <HackEgo> Superexponential growth? SUPEREXPONENTIAL GROWTH?! HOLY CRAP!!!
01:01:46 <shachaf> `culprits wisdom/superexponential growth
01:01:57 <HackEgo> tswett
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01:23:17 <Etaoin> it is me
01:24:00 <izabera> mario
01:25:31 <Etaoin> :D
01:35:17 <boily> Hellaoin!
01:35:31 <Etaoin> helloily!
01:36:27 <boily> `` complain My lungs aren't as efficient as they should be.
01:36:29 <HackEgo> ​/hackenv/bin/`: eval: line 4: unexpected EOF while looking for matching `'' \ /hackenv/bin/`: eval: line 5: syntax error: unexpected end of file
01:36:40 * boily mapoles the apostrophe out of HackEgo
01:36:48 <boily> `` complain My lungs aren’t as efficient as they should be.
01:36:52 <HackEgo> Complaint filed. Thank you.
01:36:59 <izabera> just use ` instead of ``<space>
01:39:10 <boily> muscle memory.
01:39:16 <shachaf> `` tail -n1 share/Complaints.mp3
01:39:18 <HackEgo> My lungs aren’t as efficient as they should be.
01:39:29 <izabera> just get better muscles
01:39:30 <shachaf> `` tac share/Complaints.mp3
01:39:31 <HackEgo> My lungs aren’t as efficient as they should be. \ I often have trouble getting to sleep. \ I'd like to make the complaints file longer, but I can't think of any good complaints. \ Complaints don't get removed after they're addressed. \ The complaints file is too long to view in-channel. \ I haven't been around kittens for a long time. \ The "comp
01:40:15 <boily> right thumb right annular left thumb right thumb right annular left thumb left thumb
01:42:17 <boily> izabera: I like my nimble and dexterous fingers the way they are.
01:50:48 <zzo38> I thought to invent "one time pad protocol". The server sends a four-byte initialization vector to the client, the client combines the key, initialization vector, and timestamp, and ARCFOUR encodes a service ID, input pad offset, output pad offset, and service parameter, and send that to server.
01:51:47 <zzo38> The server now verifies that it is OK; if so, it begins one-time-pad encoding and sends to the client the service ID and timestamp (one-time-pad encrypted), and accepts data from client. If incorrect, the server sends random data to the client and ignores data it receives.
01:53:10 <izabera> why send random data?
01:54:01 <zzo38> The verification will fail if it is not a supported service ID, if the offsets have expired, or if the offsets specified discard too much of the pad. Also there is a secret synchronization size; after that many bytes are send by either side, the next byte is a synchronization byte which is the one-time-pad encrypted counter that goes from 0 to 255 and wraps around.
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01:54:47 <pikhq> So it's impossible to distinguish a correct request from an incorrect one, presumably.
01:56:02 <izabera> but it is possible, e.g. if you're expecting to receive a certain reply when you send something and don't receive you know it failed
01:57:56 <pikhq> Yeah. I might be missing something, but I *think* zzo38's proposal has some serious faults.
01:58:06 <pikhq> For instance, is the data from the client plaintext?
01:58:10 <zzo38> If it is wrong then please tell me I can fix it
01:58:28 <zzo38> pikhq: No, it is encrypted with the one time pad (a separate pad is used for each direction).
01:58:45 <pikhq> *Oh*. That changes things somewhat.
01:58:58 <pikhq> I would not use ARCFOUR for it.
02:00:51 <zzo38> That is only for the initialization anyways, and is not used for application data. The ARCFOUR key is independent of any of the other parameters and the pad data.
02:01:02 <pikhq> I suspect there might be some other faults (courtesy of having not thought about it *that* much), but the use of ARCFOUR instead of a secure stream cipher is a big one.
02:01:38 <pikhq> Yes, but ARCFOUR is a completely insecure cipher at present, and shouldn't be used for any purpose.
02:02:02 <zzo38> The amount of initialization data is small so it probably does not matter, but a better one could be used as long as it is not too complicated, which would improve it.
02:02:50 <zzo38> (The size of the initialization data is fixed, so if it is replaced with a different cipher, it need not necessarily be a stream cipher; a block cipher could work too.)
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02:03:22 <pikhq> Chacha20 is not very complicated, and seems to be secure.
02:03:51 <shachaf> Should I prefer it to Salsa20?
02:03:52 <pikhq> (the latter is the current opinion of cryptographers, the former is my opinion, having implemented it before)
02:04:39 <pikhq> I *think* it's preferable due to getting better diffusion per round, but I don't really know for sure.
02:05:28 <pikhq> The main thing that Chacha20 has going for it that Salsa20 doesn't is that Chacha20 is seeing much more use.
02:09:43 <zzo38> OK then ChaCha20 could be used.
02:10:12 <pikhq> Presumably users of this wouldn't allow pad reuse?
02:10:21 <pikhq> Because... pad reuse breaks security.
02:10:59 <zzo38> Yes, as I said the verification fails if the pad is reused.
02:14:57 <shachaf> pikhq: not to mention hygiene
02:18:50 * boily mapoles shachaf. 0.3 shachafs.
02:19:21 <shachaf> 0.3?
02:20:58 <boily> 0.3. and that's only because I grant.
02:21:07 <boily> (what's the past tense of “to grunt”?)
02:21:39 <coppro> grunted
02:21:49 <shachaf> Apparently they do make reusable pads, though.
02:22:07 <shachaf> I'm not sure that there's any application in cryptography.
02:22:48 <pikhq> I think those are called stream ciphers in cryptography.
02:23:21 <shachaf> I hope you don't reuse your keystream.
02:23:32 <coppro> I need a tshirt that says
02:23:39 <coppro> there are 1 types of people
02:23:41 <shachaf> i,i don't cross the keystreams
02:24:10 <zzo38> What else I did not mention is that the clock skew and clock granularity parameters are also secret parameters. (Also, the size of the initialization vector may be altered.)
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02:26:13 <fungot> boily_: mr president, i abstained from the vote on friday. even before the summer holidays, and due to a lack of clarity in terms of citizens by guaranteeing that: ' in view of all the parties involved, including david trimble, and not the reverse.
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03:03:55 <zzo38> Is there any software for a mobile device to display a barcode given typed in input, that can then be scanned with another scanner?
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03:19:44 <quintopia> yes i think so
03:20:01 <quintopia> maybe not barcode, but probably QR code
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03:34:31 <zzo38> I would want for all types of barcodes though
03:35:10 <shachaf> zzo38: No, you only care about QR codes.
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03:37:11 <zzo38> No, I would need for all types, mainly for those that are not QR codes, such as UPC and so on
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05:15:27 <izabera> what's a fast way to write a large array with a value that takes 3 bytes?
05:15:47 <izabera> i mean my value is 'a' 'b' 'c' and i want my array to look like abcabcabcabcabc...
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05:39:15 <lifthrasiir> izabera: have unrolled copies of abcabc..., bcabca..., cabcab... and mass-copy them in the order
06:17:37 <zzo38> It has been said that "having a 'canary' you remove or choose not to update would likely have the same legal consequences as simply posting something that explicitly says you've received something." Can it be designed so that it is updatable and that you cannot update it if the government tries to get the data? There are a few other ideas too, including a way of encrypting the data such that you do not know the keys, etc
06:21:51 <zzo38> Or somehow use a forwarding service or video camera or something to enforce that letters they receive are known to public
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07:53:33 <hppavilion[1]> A chuck norris fact is that he can solve a rubik's cube with no hands
07:53:41 <hppavilion[1]> Lame, IMHO; many people can do that
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08:25:45 <hppavilion[1]> I think I've listened to صليل الصوارم too many times
08:25:55 <hppavilion[1]> Now I'm going to start humming it in inappropriate circumstances
08:27:23 <hppavilion[1]> "Anatomically modern human remains of uncertain date, 90-190,000 years old."
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08:35:43 <hppavilion[1]> Why is it tyrants always have the best anthems?
09:00:04 <b_jonas> `? hypergeom
09:00:18 <b_jonas> `? hypergeometric
09:00:58 <HackEgo> hypergeometric? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
09:00:58 <HackEgo> hypergeom? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
09:08:40 <hppavilion[1]> OK, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RbLLYCiyGE is impressive
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09:45:49 <hppavilion[1]> Apparently, O'Reilly has "Mastering CAT"
09:52:04 <izabera> i wrote a thingy that generates these https://i.imgur.com/uLdaHaF.png
09:52:32 <Taneb> izabera, pretty!
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11:42:10 <boily> @massages-loud
11:42:10 <lambdabot> You don't have any messages
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12:32:38 <hppavilion[1]> Apparently, at 25,000 signatures on a petition the White House has to release an official response
12:32:50 <hppavilion[1]> How can we abuse this knowledge?
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13:11:49 <hppavilion[1]> Wikileaks: The truth is over there
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15:50:19 <ybden> izabera: ooh
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17:46:47 <izabera> openvpn lets you run it twice with the same config
17:46:56 <izabera> same gateway same destination same everything
17:47:02 <izabera> it creates two tap interfaces
17:47:12 <izabera> and sometimes one works and sometimes the other one works
17:47:19 <izabera> why does it even let me do this?
17:47:35 <izabera> why is this useful
17:47:51 <izabera> it should just error out
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18:09:45 <b_jonas> ais523: hi
18:13:04 <b_jonas> ais523: have you seen the preview of Eldritch Moon (M:tG)?
18:13:28 <b_jonas> it contains something I didn't think was possible
18:14:08 <ais523> meld?
18:14:25 <b_jonas> ais523: yes
18:14:31 <b_jonas> SNOT basically
18:14:39 <b_jonas> the rules aren't known yet because there's no set FAQ
18:14:50 <b_jonas> but it seems to me like it will cause lots of rules trouble
18:16:17 <b_jonas> the easiest broken situation is a melded creature with Gift of Immortality attached and the Gift activating
18:16:23 <b_jonas> triggering
18:16:40 <b_jonas> but there might be cases worse than that
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18:41:55 <FireFly> So what does Meld do?
18:42:34 <ais523> FireFly: basically it takes two cards from exile and places them both on the battlefield transformed as one large card
18:42:56 <FireFly> Yeah, that sounds fun rules-wise
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18:43:30 <ais523> (the existing meld cards are templated as "exile ~ and a creature named Y, then meld them")
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18:44:27 <FireFly> Ah, so for now it's pretty restrictive
18:44:45 <FireFly> As in, only applicable to specific pairs of creatures
18:45:20 <ais523> FireFly: they each have half a creature printed on the back
18:45:27 <b_jonas> FireFly: yes, specific cards that are printed one-and-half-of-a-double-side-faced (as opposed to transforming cards which are printed double-faced)
18:45:39 <ais523> right, they basically invented 1½-faced cards
18:51:24 <b_jonas> ais523: yeah. and if a third un-set is ever made, they'll probably have to make fold-out three-faced cards which can be played face down with morph, then unmorph, then your choice of flip or transform (to one of the inner sides) or meld (to the other inner side) to top it
18:51:43 <ais523> no, clearly it needs to transform into a flip card
18:51:59 <ais523> or maybe have a flip card that transforms into another flip card
18:51:59 <b_jonas> that could work too
18:52:05 <ais523> with different flip conditions pre- and post-transform
18:52:16 <ais523> (ofc, you could actually do that in black border, but I somehow doubt it'd ever be printed)
18:53:04 <b_jonas> or the transformed side could be flip, and the flipped transformed side would have the meld ability, and the melded creature could level up of course
18:53:29 <b_jonas> um
18:53:32 <b_jonas> the melded permanent
18:53:39 <b_jonas> probably not all of those would be creatures
18:54:13 <ais523> is it possible to have a creature that levels up into a nonland creature?
18:54:29 <ais523> err, a noncreature land
18:54:42 <b_jonas> ais523: two flip cards on two sides would be funny, because with the current rules, if you transform the permanent, it would keep the flipped status
18:54:49 <ais523> I guess you'd need a characteristic-setting ability as you don't have anywhere to put the new type line
18:54:51 <ais523> b_jonas: yes, that was intentional
18:55:15 <b_jonas> ais523: yes, maybe a characteristic-setting ability
18:55:41 <b_jonas> I wonder if split cards could be in this somehow, but that's hard to imagine, split doesn't combine with anything but manifest
18:55:48 <b_jonas> split only goes on instants and sorceries
18:57:02 <b_jonas> oh! but Primal Clay would combine with any of level up, morph, transform, flip, meld
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19:00:35 <b_jonas> the primal clay ability takes only two lines of text in a normal-sized text box, and has very confusing rules implications, especially on things like morph/manifested cards that etb without the ability
19:00:40 <b_jonas> and with copy involved
19:01:32 <b_jonas> hmm, actually meld would let you print a double-sized flip card with large text box, so it'd be sort of a good combination
19:01:40 <b_jonas> also large image
19:02:22 <b_jonas> obviously that part should be a permanent you want to tap often, to make physical handling of the two cards plus counters difficult
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19:44:08 <Taneb> Can anyone recommend some CS or maths podcasts I can listen to during a two day journey
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20:01:27 <b_jonas> start match
20:06:25 <b_jonas> Portugal - Poland 0-1 so far
20:07:16 <b_jonas> or is it Poland - Portugal 1-0 instead?
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21:20:01 <b_jonas> 1-1 by the way
21:20:05 <b_jonas> so far
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21:55:47 <quintopi1> hmm
21:55:59 <quintopi1> i got renicked
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