< 1468454559 0 :adu!~ajr@pool-71-178-208-237.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1468454834 0 :JenElizabeth8!~jenelizab@cpc76804-brmb10-2-0-cust651.1-3.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de < 1468454913 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: hppavellon[1]. why the matinal BLASPHEMY? < 1468454927 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: matinal? < 1468454937 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :eeeeh... morning-y? < 1468454945 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you BLASPHEMYed me this morning. < 1468454984 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(hmm... according to Google Translate, there's no adjectival form of "morning" in English. strange.) < 1468455157 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really want a custom-made car where all of the controls are in the back seat (and there is no front seat) < 1468455171 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So people do a double take when they see me driving from the back of the car < 1468455180 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I probably couldn't legally drive it (it'd be hard to see anything) < 1468455182 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then what are you going to store in the front? The engine? A TV set? < 1468455190 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it'd be too expensive to be practical < 1468455191 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But still < 1468455311 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1468455452 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :On a more realistic note, I want any car I have to have a display mounted on the rear window that allows me to send messages to drivers behind me < 1468455452 0 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1468455501 0 :function!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1468455512 0 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1468455657 0 :Cale!~Cale@2607:fea8:9840:324:40a1:9df4:882d:d800 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: The adjective form of morning is just "morning" < 1468455671 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloily < 1468455675 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Callo. beuh :/ < 1468455680 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quinthellopia! < 1468455691 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the third coolest city in the U.S. < 1468455696 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1468455699 0 :Cale!~Cale@2607:fea8:9840:324:40a1:9df4:882d:d800 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OED doesn't list it as such somehow, instead preferring to list a bunch of specific compounds of morning together with another noun, which seems odd. < 1468455736 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1468455739 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :third? < 1468455751 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :there certainly are only a handful of situations in which morning is adjectived < 1468455766 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :morning meeting, morning coffee, morning constitutional... < 1468455786 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: on the assumption that NY and LA will be the first two < 1468455797 0 :Cale!~Cale@2607:fea8:9840:324:40a1:9df4:882d:d800 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh weird, in the 1989 version of OED, they had it clearly listed as an adjective as well. < 1468455805 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :meeting matinal, café matinal, eeeeh... constituosité matinale??? < 1468455829 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: oh, that kind of cool! I was stuck on weather cool. < 1468455948 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't know, really... I only remember Boston, New York and Washington DC. My family and I went to LA too, but it was a long long time ago. < 1468455974 0 :adu!~ajr@pool-71-178-208-237.washdc.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1468456006 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps Austin? < 1468456026 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: can you vouch for Atlanta being the Third Coolest? < 1468456050 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weird, at least as a US English speaker "morning" in those phrases parses as an adjective, not as a compound noun. < 1468456051 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :atlanta is just a city < 1468456059 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does have me, so that's pretty cool. < 1468456067 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :austin is probably cooler < 1468456067 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'll switch from "account creation and anonymous editing disabled" to "ask an 'impossible' CAPTCHA question", to see if the spammers are actually passing it or just bypassing it, and also to provide an explanation. < 1468456129 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :account creation disabled? < 1468456166 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but but... what if someone had a stroke of inspiration and wanted to expand the Glorious Purple Family? < 1468456167 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I had to do *something*. < 1468456190 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was happening? < 1468456195 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spam. < 1468456213 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :At a rate of about 44 new accounts and ~500 spam edits in the 15 or so minutes. < 1468456219 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought spam happened constantly? < 1468456223 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1468456226 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that's high < 1468456251 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: Glorious People's Republic of Purple < 1468456282 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Corporation's Republic of Capitalia < 1468456289 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :three strange notes have been left in our mail slot < 1468456310 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If corporations are people too, they should get their lifespan limited to ~78 years < 1468456328 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1468456336 0 :MDude!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1468456349 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I love you" "You are special" and "Yor are beatiful" (sic). What are the note-leaver's intentions? < 1468456357 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :or else people should have their lifespans indefinitely expanded < 1468456390 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: market research for future valentine's cards < 1468456447 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :these are physical, handwritten notes < 1468456473 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :he\\oren\. do yor feel beatiful? < 1468456475 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: what is left to be done with the aubergines? any more than ubergenes would be too much and any less than purple would be too little. < 1468456494 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you can't go up nor down, go sideways? < 1468456508 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :more beautiful than beatific at any rate < 1468456509 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmmmmm < 1468456525 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we have ubergenes that adds to the concept. chop off what is in aubergine. what are you left with? < 1468456544 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Écraser? < 1468456612 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1468456633 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you chop off what is in aubergine you get uh....only negatively addressed memory locations, any variable names that aren't a and b--unless we chop out the idea of a memory array entirely? < 1468456645 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm.... < 1468456665 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are there besides linear arrays? < 1468456685 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :graphs? topologies? weird mathematical stuff? Taneb? < 1468456688 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :you also lose the ability to read or change the instruction pointer, and the ability to do I/O < 1468456711 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a sentimental attachment to IO. < 1468456725 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps it can be done differently < 1468456743 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Courge! < 1468456751 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clearly, \oren\ has a confidential admirer that only the top world leaders can be informed of < 1468456761 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That didn't work very well) < 1468456787 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: \oren\ and everyone else at that address < 1468456797 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Oh? < 1468456805 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I don't know where \oren\ lives < 1468456808 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Unfortunately) < 1468456817 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: Do you have \oren\'s GPS coordinates on file? < 1468456822 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: "our mail slot" implies multiple recipients < 1468456828 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1468456838 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: there you go: 43.6559769, -79.4141707 < 1468456853 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a bit scared it's a joke, but checking anyway < 1468456858 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe there are multiple \orens\? < 1468456881 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: oren and \\oren\\ and /oren/ and //oren// < 1468456904 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn't a joke, and I'm the only one currently living here < 1468456921 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :One side of the street has... < 1468456925 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What, a duplex? < 1468456930 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks too big to be a duples < 1468456932 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*duplex < 1468456938 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: oh, then secret admirer seems likely! < 1468456939 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(like, the individual sides) < 1468456946 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1468456947 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: or someone who wants you to think that < 1468456948 0 :MoALTz!~no@78-11-183-124.static.ip.netia.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1468456955 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :duhn... duhn... DUHN < 1468456963 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm in a two story house with a pine tree in the front < 1468456978 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is attached to the house on both sides of it < 1468457012 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The other side of the street has condos or apartments or something... < 1468457090 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the old folks home that has a fire every few days < 1468457098 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Target acquired < 1468457102 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Launching < 1468457145 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: hey, careful with that ICBM. a little bit off and it'd hit one of our Magnificent Crumbling Buildings. < 1468457176 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Detonation confirmed < 1468457180 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Summary: http://bit.ly/29Phz2C < 1468457203 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: The first time I read that I thought it was "a few days ago" < 1468457208 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, every few days, really? < 1468457251 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah because they won't stop smoking < 1468457287 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1468457301 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(For clarity, in this scenario North Korea /really/ doesn't like \oren\ in particular) < 1468457359 0 :adu!~ajr@pool-71-178-208-237.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1468457716 0 :adu!~ajr@pool-71-178-208-237.washdc.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1468458049 0 :function!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Quit: 1 found in /dev/zero < 1468458197 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1468459731 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Intercontinental Crumbling Building Missile. < 1468459771 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had assumed that was the joke yes < 1468459813 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had assumed that that was a coincidence that nobody else had yet noticed. < 1468459841 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I'm pretty sure that in my silly little ordinal notation, {{{{}:{}}:{}}:{}} is an extremely large ordinal. < 1468459857 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that surreal numbers? < 1468459863 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, that's ordinal numbers. < 1468459888 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Each notation is a dictionary with finitely many key-value pairs, where each key and each value is a notation. < 1468459902 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn ICBM/ICBMs are Crumbling Building Missiles. The I is currently unknown. < 1468459917 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'icbm/icbm': ICBM/ICBMs are Crumbling Building Missiles. The I is currently unknown. < 1468459930 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't the I stand for Intercontinentalballisticmissile? < 1468459938 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :{} is 0. {0:0} is 1. < 1468459940 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`sedlast s/unknown/classified/ < 1468459947 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom/icbm/icbm//ICBM/ICBMs are Crumbling Building Missiles. The I is currently classified. < 1468459954 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So the concise way of writing that notation above is {{1:0}:0}. < 1468460033 0 :groteworld!~groteworl@unaffiliated/groteworld JOIN :#esoteric < 1468460098 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :can we talk about how well designed is argument parsing in sh? < 1468460139 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but not in Sanskrit. < 1468460145 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :We can talk about that in any other language. < 1468460145 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1468460151 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's go with english < 1468460160 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :engli sh? < 1468460163 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswellott. bad sanskrit past experiences? < 1468460180 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :-o and -c take a parameter, but they take the first "free" argument as their parameter < 1468460195 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :like this sh -of vi is the same as sh -f -o vi < 1468460239 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :sh -oovi vi vi is the same as sh -v -i -o vi -o vi < 1468460288 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :also most sh options can be enabled with + instead of - , like this sh +o vi < 1468460309 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :but -c isn't one of those options, so this should be invalid sh +oc vi : < 1468460329 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :yet it's valid in several shells because this shit is fucked up < 1468460413 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can't have sh -co : vi because for some reason this must consider : as the option name and vi as the command < 1468460465 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :so in that case you need sh -co vi : < 1468460474 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if -c comes first < 1468460528 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :and bash adds an additional set of options that are enabled with -O with the same semantics as -o because it worked so well < 1468460541 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :who thinks this is shit? < 1468460647 0 :groteworld!~groteworl@unaffiliated/groteworld QUIT :Quit: ZZZzzz… < 1468460648 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :izbellora. it is quaint and pittoresque. looks good from afar :D < 1468460661 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :hoily < 1468460767 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is the way it should work: < 1468460791 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn. once again I typoed the izaberaporthello... < 1468460814 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :{command: sh, arguments: {f: nil, o: vi}} < 1468460888 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not saying you should use json to start a shell.. < 1468460889 0 :groteworld!~groteworl@unaffiliated/groteworld JOIN :#esoteric < 1468460959 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should just parse arguments and options like every other utility -_- < 1468460981 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :sh -fovi == sh -f -o vi < 1468460982 0 :groteworld!~groteworl@unaffiliated/groteworld QUIT :Client Quit < 1468461019 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell pikhq The HackEgo thing is fixed. You can @tell oerjan that you don't need to be told to unignore it. < 1468461019 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1468461037 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm one of those extremists who believes that commands shouldn't parse their own arguments. < 1468461065 0 :groteworld!~groteworl@unaffiliated/groteworld JOIN :#esoteric < 1468461086 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Parsing is scow. < 1468461109 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :parsing is necessary < 1468461126 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sort of. < 1468461155 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :if they don't parse their command line arguments, you can't have a unified interface to call them < 1468461169 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just the opposite. < 1468461182 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean? < 1468461208 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume tswett means that the shell or something will have one parser for all commands. < 1468461220 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the commands get their arguments in structured form rather than a bunch of bytes. < 1468461240 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that. < 1468461295 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :so your idea is to put in the shell a super complex parser that handles every possible way to call any program < 1468461301 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1468461318 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Parsers are hard and error-prone, so you might as well handle parsing well in one place. < 1468461343 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The problem with UNIX command line programs is that they serve two functions: User interface and API. < 1468461372 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just about anything that tries to be both UI and API is doomed to be terrible at at least one. < 1468461407 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's why stuff like getopt() exist < 1468461414 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they don't have to write their own parsers < 1468461425 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's such a mess. < 1468461444 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have things like rm $file, where $file happens to start with a -. < 1468461480 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: PURCHASING CHICKEN < 1468461518 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Look, a quit message of boily's that's something that makes sense as a quit message. < 1468461610 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should then use the -- if a filename with - at first but it would have been better if the filename does not start with - anyways. I use shell script with #!/bin/bash -- for this reason. < 1468461681 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :People don't consistently put in -- when they're deleting a file with an unknown name. < 1468461682 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, of course you can work around it. < 1468461694 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if it was structured, you wouldn't need to work around it. < 1468461699 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's easy to accidentally get it wrong. < 1468461720 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's easy because you're not in #bash < 1468461721 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Generally, I don't like it when a computer system makes it easy to accidentally get it wrong. < 1468461724 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If unlink() had a different behavior when a file name started with '-', people would be mad. < 1468461752 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: Obviously it's possible to train yourself to do it. < 1468461767 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not literally impossible to write correct code using UNIX utilities. < 1468461771 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's not a good API for programming < 1468461784 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's fine < 1468461816 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also don't like it when a computer system is "fine". < 1468461840 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :spot of the stockholm syndrome, governor? < 1468461847 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If something can reasonably be improved, it should be. < 1468461848 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it is working OK, although the filename ought to don't start with a minus sign anyways. < 1468461869 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If by "it's fine" you mean that it's not worth the effort to change, I agree. < 1468461880 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be a big project. < 1468461887 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: IMO the worst part is that things fail to implement Unix utilities to match the spec, which means that writing correct code with it is even *harder* than it ought to be. < 1468461908 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Well, it's not as if a utilty author's life is easy. < 1468461920 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :A structured API would make life easy for both parties. < 1468461921 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :except when the spec is idiotic, e.g. how sh parses options ^ < 1468461938 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :utility < 1468461957 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I'll just say that izabera doesn't like change. < 1468461965 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :no that's not true < 1468461966 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :An alternative would be for the shell to parse the switches and pass as arguments to the program so that it will not cause a problem based on what the filename is. < 1468461968 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a pretty rude thing to say, actually. < 1468461969 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :For instance, POSIX argument parsing is a little less fragile than GNU argument parsing... < 1468461970 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll retract it. < 1468461990 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :In POSIX, you stop parsing flags on the first string that doesn't start with -, or after "--". < 1468462000 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :In GNU, you stop parsing flags after "--". < 1468462001 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you believe that the Windows shell doesn't expand *? It's the program's responsibility to do it. < 1468462002 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do think the POSIX argument parsing is better than the GNU argument parsing, at least. < 1468462020 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Which means rm * is even *more* likely to do weird shit. < 1468462025 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Personally I like being able to ls / -l < 1468462042 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a gnu / agnother gnu < 1468462053 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :agnother lol < 1468462064 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :IMO the worst part, again, is this is a deviation from spec and from common behavior that you basically just have to know. < 1468462098 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unix is bad enough without things make nominally correct code break because you extend the semantics. < 1468462136 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Making the shell to be error message if a filename has - at first might be one option that you might want to add too < 1468462187 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Also weird is the weird insistence that the interactive and scripting shells be the same, or that the interactive shell should be usable for scripting... < 1468462211 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is that bad? < 1468462226 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But making it different would require to program the difference and cause problem when the program is not written in this way. < 1468462238 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean granted, you don't want a lot of pointless differences. But a lot of the things that an interactive shell could do to make the UI less bad would break non-interactive use. < 1468462239 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Making it same way would be simpler I think, so therefore it is better. < 1468462240 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I use different shell for interaction and scripting < 1468462251 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: That's what I was saying about UIs and APIs above. < 1468462281 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spefically, I use bash for scripting and midnight commander for interatiocn < 1468462294 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :mc counts as a shell? < 1468462299 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. an interactive shell could see you write "rm *" and execute "rm -- *". < 1468462313 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course it counts < 1468462321 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :cough cough rm () { command rm -- "$@"; } < 1468462367 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that rm doesn't support flags. < 1468462390 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The alternative I mentioned would be that the interactive shell will display an error message if a wildcard expands to a filename that begins with a minus sign by default. < 1468462396 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rm: cannot remove ‘-rf’: No such file or directory < 1468462397 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i'm not writing the one that expands the glob correctly *and* supports options, in one line on irc < 1468462419 0 :deltab!~deltab@cpc1-smal2-0-0-cust198.19-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or glob could prefix with ./ < 1468462422 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's also no particular reason that an interactive shell has to work like the traditional Unix shell in most any way... < 1468462424 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is the sort of mindset that says that the way to solve SQL injection is to be extra careful. < 1468462437 0 :deltab!~deltab@cpc1-smal2-0-0-cust198.19-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :as suggested in http://www.dwheeler.com/essays/fixing-unix-linux-filenames.html#dashes < 1468462446 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just gotta mysql_real_escape_string everything. < 1468462449 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Literally the only reason behind keeping the traditional Unix shell the way it is, is that you break shell scripts if you change it. < 1468462453 0 :groteworld!~groteworl@unaffiliated/groteworld QUIT :Quit: ZZZzzz… < 1468462457 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: what mindset? < 1468462471 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :But holy *shit* is it a rough UI experience. < 1468462482 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I'm trying to think why it is that PowerShell is both an interactive shell and a scripting shell. < 1468462513 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well... I definitely want a PowerShell interactive shell, and I definitely want a PowerShell scripting shell. < 1468462523 0 :deltab!~deltab@cpc1-smal2-0-0-cust198.19-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: if you changed it so that it allowed options, it would allow *unintended* options, and you'd have the original problem again < 1468462529 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's easier for Microsoft to make just one thing than two. < 1468462539 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :PowerShell has the slight advantage of the preexisting scripting environment on Windows being complete shit. < 1468462575 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :... And the larger advantage of being able to ship the brand new thing and get fairly wide adoption. < 1468462591 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :SQL has host parameters if you need to call SQL codes from another programming language and include the string data from the host. < 1468462611 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unix shell scripting, uh, there's several different OSes which use it. < 1468462612 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you are programming directly in SQL then you don't have problems with injection. < 1468462637 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :And using it fairly heavily for scripting. < 1468462674 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :String escaping in SQL is supposed to be by doubling each apostrophe that appears (I think it is the same as Pascal), and this is what SQLite implements, but other systems do escaping differently and don't work so well. < 1468462691 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw most of what all of you are saying reads as "i want to stay ignorant of how shells work and just paste in awful code snippets i found on the internet" like all the code in http://www.dwheeler.com/essays/fixing-unix-linux-filenames.html#dashes < 1468462785 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want tools whose behavior is simple so that I don't have to learn a lot in order to be able to use them well. < 1468462817 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's code < 1468462825 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :you want to learn how to write python before writing python < 1468462840 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: I am not saying that, I'm just saying the UI is terrible and it should not require mastery of it to avoid shooting your foot. < 1468462868 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: I know how to write correct code in bash. < 1468462883 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm complaining *because* I know how. < 1468462887 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ < 1468462899 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` touch ./-rf; GLOBIGNORE=-*; echo rm * < 1468462908 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rm !\.´ advice bin canary candide cdescs emoticons esobible etc evil factor good .hg .hg_archival.txt .hgignore hw ibin interps karma le lib ls misle out paste ply-3.8 ps quines quotes share src theorems tmflry tmp wisdom wisdom.pdf < 1468462920 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ see? it didn't expand to -rf < 1468462930 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's not deleting the file -rf either. < 1468462933 0 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1468462980 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rm ./-rf < 1468462985 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1468462999 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fwiw, in PowerShell, if you want to delete all files in the current directory, that's... < 1468463001 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls | rm < 1468463003 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, for long: < 1468463008 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Get-ChildItem | Remove-Item < 1468463021 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if I want to create all the files that don't exist? < 1468463030 0 :Hoolootwo!~Hoolootwo@hooloovoo.blue PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1468463031 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :whawt < 1468463037 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/w//2 < 1468463073 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, I'm pretty sure you can just do: < 1468463073 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :* < 1468463076 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er. < 1468463078 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rm * < 1468463096 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that will be interpreted as "remove all items which match the wildcard string '*'". < 1468463124 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :PowerShell doesn't expand globs... ever, I think. < 1468463141 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that leaves the burden on each program < 1468463166 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't mind the shell expanding globs. < 1468463172 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it ought to be done the right way. < 1468463212 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should just start to use something like -- whenever you expand a glob < 1468463213 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: yeah, I suppose it does. < 1468463231 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think PowerShell would also let you do this: < 1468463232 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rm (ls) < 1468463250 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :List the contents of the current directory and delete that. < 1468463255 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Something where it understands you writing the string "rm * -rf" and executes {"rm", "-rf", "--", results of glob here, 0}? < 1468463289 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something where you pass more structured data between the shell and rm. < 1468463301 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what the details should be like. < 1468463311 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mmkay, that's a little tricky without changing some huge details of Unix. < 1468463320 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, of course I'm talking about changing everything. < 1468463325 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :My interpretation is the closest you can do while only changing the shell. < 1468463328 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1468463329 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :that becomes overly verbose for interactive use < 1468463330 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Remove-Item (Get-ChildItem) -Recurse -Force < 1468463343 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it's a tricky UI/language design problem. < 1468463351 0 :Hoolootwo!~Hoolootwo@hooloovoo.blue JOIN :#esoteric < 1468463382 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The UNIX approach is at one point in a big space of potential solutions. < 1468463412 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it's a particularly good point, though it has some important advantages that other solutions should strive for. < 1468463414 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :With the major advantage of it (which is big, mind you) is that it already is implemented and popular. < 1468463423 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I intend to do for my new kind of computer design is the main command line interface is just Forth. < 1468463440 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :so user friendly < 1468463444 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Personally, I prefer PowerShell over Forth. < 1468463539 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think this whole discussion is an example of Alan Kay's answer in https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11940276 < 1468463555 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Normally you would not need this interface though since you can just insert the CD/DVD and then push START and it will start. < 1468463791 0 :lambda-11235!~lambda-11@172.243.156.119 JOIN :#esoteric < 1468463879 0 :lambda-11235!~lambda-11@172.243.156.119 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I wrote an LC compiler where parenthesis are only allowed with and required for application. < 1468463920 0 :lambda-11235!~lambda-11@172.243.156.119 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So (\x. x x) (\x. x x) is illegal syntax, but (\x. (x x) \x. (x x)) is legal. < 1468463931 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey there. < 1468463939 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I like it. < 1468464021 0 :lambda-11235!~lambda-11@172.243.156.119 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: The nice thing is that using that rule precedence doesn't matter. < 1468464156 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@vps.jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1468464306 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1468464723 0 :JenElizabeth8!~jenelizab@cpc76804-brmb10-2-0-cust651.1-3.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1468465274 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :hercules has cut over 200k heads and hydra is still going strong < 1468465579 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you cannot lose! < 1468465596 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually i can, my lifetime is limited < 1468465840 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07WhoScript14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=48886&oldid=46034 5* 03MCS-Kaijin 5* (+57) 10 < 1468465950 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1468466378 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1468466410 0 :spiette!~spiette@x-132-204-249-219.xtpr.umontreal.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1468466457 0 :Kaynato!~Aedile@cpe-75-187-129-201.neo.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1468468051 0 :adu!~ajr@pool-71-178-208-237.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1468468666 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1468470267 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1468470731 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am disappointed by the "dr who theme" of whoscript < 1468470768 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's basically renaming stdin/stdout and giving jumps and if another name < 1468470794 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't even feature rebirth < 1468470855 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should make every jump go to a random instruction near to, but never exactly on, the targeted instruction < 1468470893 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would just result in nopslides everywhere < 1468470948 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you may have to trick a little if all nops you can do are actually composed commands, but it's still possible < 1468470997 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :nops are forbidden < 1468471013 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you cannot do,that, i th7nk < 1468471055 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am not sure if a langiage without the possibility to produce nops is turing complete < 1468471069 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :you might be able to produce compound nops < 1468471076 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then starting in the middle of one won't necessarily be a nop < 1468471091 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, yeah, but you might solve that < 1468471110 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the degree to which you are off should clearly be unlimited < 1468471124 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, having a nop composed of increments and decrements of a var, compare with another at the end of the slide, fix accordingly < 1468471126 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that no amount of nop sliding is big enough to guarantee you don't end up stuck in an asteroid < 1468471143 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just use a var that is of no use whatsoever and just increase it < 1468471187 0 :Hoolootwo!~Hoolootwo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, there would be lots of ways to do pseudo-nops < 1468471236 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would make a language that _needs_ rebirths, but every time it does so, it is a bit unclear about its state < 1468471276 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, there always need to be a companion thread < 1468471342 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dr who does remind me a bit of interactive proofs < 1468471717 0 :lambda-11235!~lambda-11@172.243.156.119 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about a language that could reset its state to an earlier point in time? < 1468471774 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what lisp does < 1468471863 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :call/cc everywhere? < 1468471960 0 :Hoolootwo!~Hoolootwo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can also do that in C-INTERCAL with backtracking < 1468471986 0 :Hoolootwo!~Hoolootwo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://catb.org/esr/intercal/ick.htm#Backtracking < 1468472373 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1468472408 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1468472484 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1468472700 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1468472711 0 :adu!~ajr@pool-71-178-208-237.washdc.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1468474503 0 :Kaynato!~Aedile@cpe-75-187-129-201.neo.res.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1468476471 0 :adu!~ajr@pool-71-178-208-237.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1468476917 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1468477044 0 :lambda-11235!~lambda-11@172.243.156.119 QUIT :Quit: Bye < 1468477173 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1468478027 0 :adu!~ajr@pool-71-178-208-237.washdc.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1468478153 0 :Akaibu!uid118096@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qlkradzvksbekitl JOIN :#esoteric < 1468478354 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1468478542 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages-foul < 1468478542 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf asked 9h 40m 7s ago: to remind me to /unignore HackEgo when the spam issue is fixed twh < 1468478542 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq asked 9h 34m 27s ago: me too < 1468478542 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera asked 9h 34m 3s ago: me three < 1468478542 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera asked 9h 16m 51s ago: no need to remind me anything < 1468478542 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf said 8h 12m 58s ago: never mind tdh < 1468478571 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: please unignore HackEgo < 1468478574 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(sheesh) < 1468478578 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is done. < 1468478642 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: as if you don't like getting messages < 1468478655 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you didn't want foul ones you should've just used another command < 1468478725 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i already knew they were foul, that's why i used it hth < 1468478743 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :self-foulfilling prophecy < 1468478843 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like it was a good time to be away, anyway. < 1468478859 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what, you're not logreading? < 1468478884 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes i am. it was very good for me to be away from such a mess. < 1468478912 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You gotta read between the lines. < 1468478930 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe download the logs and filter out the HackEgo lines. < 1468478938 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't got much beyond searching for my own nick yet. < 1468478949 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, i seem to have email too. < 1468478958 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(agora has reawakened) < 1468480507 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, ooh? < 1468480628 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1468480638 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had a good pun with the word "swat" but i've forgotten it < 1468480639 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a shame < 1468480646 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would have earned me a proper swatting < 1468481171 0 :augur!~augur@2602:304:cdac:e260:4956:dee5:fde2:85a3 JOIN :#esoteric < 1468481426 0 :augur!~augur@2602:304:cdac:e260:4956:dee5:fde2:85a3 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1468481791 0 :augur!~augur@2602:304:cdac:e260:454e:8064:d0d9:86d9 JOIN :#esoteric < 1468482540 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: there is activity on the mailing lists, and several people have reregistered. < 1468482552 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should take a look tomorrow < 1468482624 0 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly JOIN :#esoteric < 1468483681 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1468484873 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@2a02:2c40:400:0:ed2:92ff:fe3b:ec82 JOIN :#esoteric < 1468485316 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Sounds like an NP problem (namely: guess the right phrase)... you should use a SWAT solver. < 1468485582 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: did you mean to ping shachaf < 1468485613 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION swats int-e -#
< 1468486178 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: MAYBE! < 1468486992 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1468487226 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I detect NP problems < 1468487271 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1468487727 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I detect solutions to NP problems. < 1468487851 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: somehow, to my mind, you emit a stronger "pun" signal than shachaf does. < 1468487875 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan has been punning since before I was born. < 1468487880 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :He even puns unintentionally. < 1468487902 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that's saying something; shachaf is at LEAST 81 years old < 1468487916 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? oerjan < 1468487929 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your mysterious articled cackling zombie øverlord kommisjonær emeritus oerjan is a lazy expert in future computation. Also a Precambrian Norwegian who mildly dislikes Roald Dahl with a pasjon. Lately when he tries to remember a word, "amortized" pops up. His arch-nemesis is Betty Crocker. He sometimes puns without noticing it. < 1468487936 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@wn precambrian < 1468487936 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Say what you like about puns, but they can be a very rewording experience < 1468487937 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :*** "precambrian" wn "WordNet (r) 3.0 (2006)" < 1468487937 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Precambrian < 1468487937 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : n 1: the eon following the Hadean time and preceding the < 1468487937 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Phanerozoic eon; from about 3,800 million years ago until < 1468487937 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 544 million years ago [syn: {Precambrian}, {Precambrian < 1468487939 0 :augur!~augur@2602:304:cdac:e260:454e:8064:d0d9:86d9 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1468487939 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : eon}, {Precambrian aeon}, {Precambrian period}] < 1468487980 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: do you have any fancy things like goodstein's theorem for me < 1468488005 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: there was a hydra yesterday... < 1468488024 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION needs to catch a bus
< 1468488070 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, that hydra was the same thing < 1468488070 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION seems to have caught it http://www.madore.org/~david/math/hydra.xhtml
< 1468488088 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just mean any fancy theorems or fast-growing functions or that sort of thing < 1468488237 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: about the pentagon from yesterday, I said under 1e9 first four primitive steps, but that was stupid, there are much less because the compass collapses. < 1468488240 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll have to recompute it < 1468488268 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I think even with the flaw you pointed out, it might be possible to brute-force it, because I must still get _something_ useful after 4 steps < 1468488555 0 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1468488754 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1468490114 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : A channel op could KickEgo <-- the set of active channel ops is alas ~= the set of active wiki admins. < 1468490134 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes, i lamented that fact hth < 1468490207 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :M:tG: wait, so in Eldritch Moon they print a creature whose name ends in " Standard Bearer". Guess what ability it has? No, not the "Standard Bearer" ability. The spellshaper ability. It's not even a spellshaper by type. < 1468490218 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh lament is still there. < 1468490246 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: technically lament may have been on freenode. he's now, anyway. < 1468490264 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: whoa whoa whoa < 1468490264 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :whether he would be helpful is a different matter. < 1468490277 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :you contracted the is which would have been emphasized < 1468490286 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :the "is" < 1468490289 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat? < 1468490308 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"he's now" < 1468490326 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :but he isn't. maybe you meant "not now" or something < 1468490328 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i emphasized the now. < 1468490339 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh he is. just under a slightly different nick. < 1468490348 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :same account though. < 1468490358 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :true, it's not emphasized < 1468490363 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's pretty bizarre < 1468490382 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :there must be some grammar rule that forbids it < 1468490443 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :couldn't've been < 1468490666 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, ais523 is the admin that knows how to actually fight that kind of spam afaik. < 1468490756 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's good fizzie showed up. i suspect i wouldn't have had enough powers or knowledge to stop it. < 1468491001 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just saw a few seconds of a video in 4K < 1468491009 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In other news, ALL GLORY TO THE HYPNOTOAD < 1468491310 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :We need to give fizzie a pager. < 1468491388 0 :MoALTz!~no@78-11-183-124.static.ip.netia.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1468491479 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Will I get paid extra when I'm on-call? < 1468491497 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: You'll get paid with extra vacation from #esoteric. < 1468491626 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :A spam alerting thing might make sense though -- was pure luck I happened to glance at the channel when I did. Wonder if there'd be a reasonable way to set one up. < 1468491857 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you on an oncall rotation at work? < 1468491863 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've forgotten your username. < 1468491931 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not really. I mean, we use oncall for managing some triage-style rotations, but that's not the same thing. < 1468491965 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you've said it before but maybe it was someone else. < 1468492031 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's been talking of having a more on-call oncall so that "our" SREs have someone to talk to if they get lonely (or have a problem, I guess). < 1468492037 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just my last name. < 1468492085 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, too easy. < 1468492116 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa whoa whoa, fizziecoin < 1468492121 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1468492146 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weren't you supposed to be an *ex*-Googler? < 1468492148 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? fizzie < 1468492155 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie is not fnord with a monad but the sneaky king of #esoteric, see http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/src/fizziecoin.jpg < 1468492179 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need to upgrade hercules < 1468492188 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do i give him a machine gun or something? < 1468492198 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: he's not supposed to a lambdabot admin either, but... < 1468492201 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*to be < 1468492202 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :600k heads so far < 1468492225 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie is the sneaky one, according to HackEgo. < 1468492230 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: maybe not use the auto? < 1468492237 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUT NOW I HAVE TO < 1468492252 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: you're just so sneaky you've removed the evidence hth < 1468492287 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway this information is public. < 1468492296 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right. < 1468492367 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a Redis Pub/Sub variant of the update feed we're piping to HackEgo, maybe there'd be some low-effort way of getting that through GCM into notifications on my phone. < 1468492388 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not like it's (usually) that active. < 1468492428 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I could then publish whatever I use in the Play Store, and anyone could get esolangs updates into their phone. < 1468492463 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone with an Android phone. < 1468492473 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is anyone who counts, I suppose. < 1468492478 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Close enough. < 1468492481 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure that sort of app would have an audience in the ones. < 1468492500 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't you just use an RSS feed or something? < 1468492515 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :That'd be laggy. < 1468492517 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think your SLA has to be that good. < 1468492583 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :The cleanup time is linear to the time they've spent spamming, unless I manage to install one of those dodgier spam-cleaning extensions or go through the trouble of getting some of the hacky batchy things working. < 1468492615 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1468492618 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdome < 1468492623 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: wisdome: not found < 1468492625 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thwackamacallit//A thwackamacallit is like a whatchamacallit, but more painful. See mapole. < 1468492642 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1468492646 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#esoteric//#esoteric is the only channel that doesn't exist. After monqy left it became slightly off-centër. It's about 30 m (100 ft) across. oerjan seems to be making a lawn in the northern part, but it keeps getting dug up by free ranging moons. May contain crude drawings of nuts. < 1468492648 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`random-card < 1468492652 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hedron Matrix \ 4 \ Artifact -- Equipment \ Equipped creature gets +X/+X, where X is its converted mana cost. \ Equip {4} \ ROE-R < 1468492721 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I have a vague notion Chrome on Android does push notifications now. < 1468492735 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` F="$(find wisdom -type f | shuf -n 1)"; sed 's#\. #\.#' "$F" < 1468492738 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :flower.what IS a flower? < 1468492752 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? flower < 1468492754 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :flower. what IS a flower? < 1468492832 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cwlprits flower < 1468492840 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e ais523 Bike FreeFull oerjan FreeFull shachaf shachaf nitia < 1468492859 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`hoag wisdom/flower < 1468492863 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ revert accbc9c5c7ec \ echo wisdom/* | shuf | head -n 10 | xargs rm \ revert \ for x in wisdom/*; do rev "$x" > "$x"a; mv "$x"a "$x"; done \ revert \ run rm -rf wisdom \ revert 0 \ run rm -rf wisdom/* \ Initial import. < 1468492874 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :man < 1468492877 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a lot of vandalism < 1468492935 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did find https://pushassist.com/push-notifications-mediawiki/ but that's so commercial. < 1468492943 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Increase engagement and drive more repeat traffic to your MediaWiki site with desktop & Android (Chrome & Firefox) push notifications." < 1468492975 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't you just have it send you an email? < 1468493026 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or a page, if you're set up for that. < 1468493201 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know MediaWiki can send emails for changes to pages on a specific watch list. Not sure if I can convince it to send emails for everything. < 1468493237 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :How are changes being sent to HackEgo? < 1468493262 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can just write a bot that monitors HackEgo's messages in #esoteric < 1468493267 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :$wgUsersNotifiedOnAllChanges < 1468493274 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a flag for that, apparently. < 1468493289 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Array of usernames who will be sent a notification email for every change which occurs on a wiki. The user will not be sent an email for changes that they themselves make." < 1468493295 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I could just enable that, then. < 1468493377 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :For HackEgo, we use the $wgRCFeeds mechanism, which does Redis Pub/Sub pushes and raw UDP (one packet/edit). We use the latter, plus socat UDP-RECV:8147,bind=127.0.0.1 STDOUT | stdbuf -oL cut -c 1-400 | stdbuf -oL sed -e 's/^/PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] /' | socat STDIN UNIX-SENDTO:/tmp/multibot.HackEgo to smuggle them to IRC. < 1468493432 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But then you won't get notified if you spam the wiki. < 1468493663 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: you do if you use two different users and add both to the list < 1468495051 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1468496000 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1468496082 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1468496110 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :soviet russia//¯\(°​_o)/¯ soviet russia? < 1468496829 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`bardsworthlist 2016-07-14 < 1468496837 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hily < 1468496840 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bardsworthlist 2016-07-14: b_jonas < 1468496906 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? sarlacc < 1468496915 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sarlacc? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1468496925 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/listlist < 1468496929 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/sh \ set -e \ export LANG=C \ cd /hackenv/bin;exec ls -dF *[lL]ist* < 1468496933 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1468496940 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want a notification list for when new lists are created. < 1468496951 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/mklist < 1468496953 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat: bin/mklist: No such file or directory < 1468496963 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/makelist < 1468496964 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :file="bin/$1"; shift; cp bin/emptylist "$file"; for n in "$@"; do echo "$n" >> "$file"; done < 1468496994 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`makelist makelistlist < 1468497004 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1468497009 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo shachaf >> bin/makelistlist < 1468497014 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1468497063 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: then add yourself to listlist < 1468497073 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll try to remember that list next time I create a list < 1468497122 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: hey, `makelist takes arguments now hth < 1468497132 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i remembered too late < 1468497138 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't someone tell me about remembering too late the other day < 1468497174 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`sled bin/makelist//s/.\{13\}/name="$1"; file="bin/$name"; makelistlist "$name"/ < 1468497178 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sed: -e expression #1, char 32: unknown option to `s' < 1468497188 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`sled bin/makelist//s/.\{13\}/name="$1"; file="bin\/$name"; makelistlist "$name"/ < 1468497192 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin/makelist//name="$1"; file="bin/$name"; makelistlist "$name"; shift; cp bin/emptylist "$file"; for n in "$@"; do echo "$n" >> "$file"; done < 1468497200 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`makelist makelistlist shachaf < 1468497205 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :makelistlist makelistlist shachaf: shachaf < 1468497220 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1468497240 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arguments don't work with the regular running syntax. < 1468497242 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert < 1468497246 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then what's the point? < 1468497259 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rm: cannot remove `/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/env/.hg/store/data/canary.orig': Is a directory \ Done. < 1468497304 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? subscribe < 1468497311 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :subscribe? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1468497325 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The list infrastructure could use some overhauling. < 1468497336 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should stop using self-modifying executables, for one. < 1468497368 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: right, but then you should figure out some easy interface to subscribe and unsubscribe lists < 1468497387 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :feel free to overhaul it < 1468497493 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellørjan! < 1468497507 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :THe only reason for me to overhaul it would be to avoid you overhauling it in Perl that I can't read or modify. < 1468497526 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I'm going to sleep. < 1468497592 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: nah, it's culprits and noping that I want to overhaul in perl, not lists < 1468497632 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well except maybe `list itself, to make myself immune to it but in a sneaky viral way that you can't easily fix because culprits re-infects it) < 1468497655 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(maybe I should just make `list use the overhauled culprits) < 1468497746 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: "something useful" is not nearly specific enough, but the way I interpret it, the construction I saw has nothing very useful after 4 steps. < 1468497778 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I can make it more specific: < 1468497786 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(to be precise, none of the missing four vertices of the pentagon are there) < 1468497845 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(hoping that's not spoiling too much) < 1468497951 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://duktape.org/ < 1468497975 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :after 4 steps, I want either (a) two points, each on a line of one of the five sides of the pentagon or the big circle that contains the outer intersection points of the sides; or (b) one or two circles or lines whose union contains two outer intersection points of the sides < 1468498004 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and that's not always enough) < 1468498054 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: basically, after 4 moves I can restrict the branching of the search so much that the 5th move must be one of some very specific moves, and usually completely impossible < 1468498100 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's still a lot of search, but with primitives only, I think it's possible < 1468498104 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not completely sure < 1468498250 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I also have the feeling that it's probably easier to find a non-primitive 10 step solution than to do the brute force for a primitive one, < 1468498259 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :because there's still some of the geometry I don't understand here < 1468498336 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm wait, I have an idea < 1468498362 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me try some things < 1468498802 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, I got a horrible 15 move non-primitive solution, but at least it doesn't look like just an obvious pessimization of the 11 move one I've got < 1468498980 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Later < 1468499317 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: RESET CHICKEN < 1468499334 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice, I've got a 12 move solution < 1468499948 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got a very ugly 13 move solution < 1468499985 0 :MoALTz!~no@78-11-183-124.static.ip.netia.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1468500061 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok wait, I still don't understand how this geometry stuff works < 1468504715 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1468505453 0 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1468505649 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1468505663 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1468505972 0 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :g < 1468506001 0 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, ERC bugged out and wouldn't let me delete that :( < 1468506020 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`randomquote < 1468506028 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: randomquote: not found < 1468506031 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, are you here? < 1468506031 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: see? i like marle better than " princess,' the chosen time has come! he's strong and he's gonna thrash those monsters! yea! is it? < 1468506040 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( what is the European Research Council doing with prooftechnique? ) < 1468506041 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1468506057 0 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I would think a fair bit < 1468506062 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: ERC is errorrorrecting code < 1468506124 0 :groteworld!~groteworl@unaffiliated/groteworld JOIN :#esoteric < 1468506125 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is still waiting for an isosceles triangle to sneak up on b_jonas.
< 1468506422 0 :spiette!~spiette@x-132-204-251-254.xtpr.umontreal.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1468506923 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1468507040 0 :groteworld!~groteworl@unaffiliated/groteworld QUIT :Quit: ZZZzzz… < 1468507046 0 :Akaibu!uid118096@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qlkradzvksbekitl QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1468507099 0 :groteworld!~groteworl@unaffiliated/groteworld JOIN :#esoteric < 1468507692 0 :Kaynato!~Aedile@cpe-75-187-129-201.neo.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1468507959 0 :FireFly!~firefly@firefly.xen.prgmr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style irc < 1468507959 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: irc (IRC logs of freenode/#esoteric, freenode/#scheme and ircnet/#douglasadams) < 1468508587 0 :adu!~ajr@pool-71-178-208-237.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1468509277 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1468509531 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1468510516 0 :groteworld!~groteworl@unaffiliated/groteworld QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1468511479 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, what's new with you? < 1468511479 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: there's still nothing threatening about **********s. and hey, the entire point < 1468511496 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was very profound < 1468512299 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? * < 1468512300 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Twinkle, twinkle, little star! < 1468512443 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@2a02:2c40:400:0:ed2:92ff:fe3b:ec82 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1468512623 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@2a02:2c40:400::1:6e46 JOIN :#esoteric < 1468512664 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :people disagreed with me over 6 times 9 being 42. i was disappoint < 1468512678 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :tell em base 13 < 1468512697 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i could, but i told em adams < 1468512709 0 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-161.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :use church numerals to avoid all confusion < 1468512776 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fix ("ONE MORE THAN " ++) < 1468512777 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : "ONE MORE THAN ONE MORE THAN ONE MORE THAN ONE MORE THAN ONE MORE THAN ONE M... < 1468512868 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaargh, I still need to document COMPLEX on the wiki < 1468513749 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`olist 1044 < 1468513750 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olist 1044: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly boily nortti b_jonas < 1468513923 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@cor91-7-83-156-198-158.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1468514035 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas, ty < 1468514580 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 is now in Facebook trending because of a speedrun < 1468514673 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well done him < 1468514868 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@cor91-7-83-156-198-158.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1468515215 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@cor91-7-83-156-198-158.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1468515246 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@cor91-7-83-156-198-158.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1468515596 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh! < 1468515612 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`random-card \A..thersnatch < 1468515617 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AEthersnatch \ 4UU \ Instant \ Gain control of target spell. You may choose new targets for it. (If that spell becomes a permanent, it enters the battlefield under your control.) \ C15-R < 1468515640 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't know they finally printed this < 1468515682 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(now I want an aura version of this too) < 1468516597 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that would be much cheaper, because then you don't get the permanent) < 1468516630 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@2a02:2c40:400::1:6e46 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1468516637 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: Douglas Adams said about this: I may be a sorry case, but I don't write jokes in base 13.' < 1468516696 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know < 1468516919 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`random-card < 1468516919 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Relic Barrier \ 2 \ Artifact \ {T}: Tap target artifact. \ LE-U, 5DN-U < 1468520135 0 :MoALTz!~no@78-11-183-124.static.ip.netia.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1468520187 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@2a02:1811:d22:cc00:a50e:512b:a2f8:11e8 JOIN :#esoteric < 1468520385 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Other version would be: Target player gains control of target spell. You may choose new targets for it. < 1468521029 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You"? < 1468521109 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :that could be awkward < 1468521580 0 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@82.144.205.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1468522993 0 :augur!~augur@2602:304:cdac:e260:4597:3f07:ef80:f037 JOIN :#esoteric < 1468523039 0 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-owurcqilhxbttfnv JOIN :#esoteric < 1468523548 0 :zgrep!?@? NICK :zgrep_the_change < 1468523593 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 JOIN :#esoteric < 1468523730 0 :augur!~augur@2602:304:cdac:e260:4597:3f07:ef80:f037 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1468523749 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought of idea of a new kind of poker game, that you cannot make change of poker chips. For example if you have 100 white chips and 100 red chips, and white chips are worth 1 point and red chips are worth 5 points. If later on in the game you have to pay 3 points to call but you have only red chips, then you cannot call; you must fold or raise. < 1468523809 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why? < 1468523839 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you be more specific please? < 1468523853 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do you want to disallow change? < 1468523888 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :couldn't you just pay two red chips then? < 1468523916 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is just an idea, that is all. < 1468523935 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: You can but it is a raise. You cannot call because you need three white chips to call. < 1468523988 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if the other player also has only red chips after those 3 white chips, then you two can't stop until you fold or all in < 1468524000 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno, that would be a strange game < 1468524031 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I know it is strange, but that is just the idea I came up with. Variants of this kind of game can be made up of course. < 1468524199 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about a variant where you can exchange a red chip five white chips at any time? < 1468524201 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I do not think it would be common if you started with 100 white chips, that after that you have two player both with only red chips anyways like that, unless of course their intention is to go all in < 1468524229 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :for < 1468524242 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Red chips are supposed to be worth five white chips, but if you can't trade them easily, then they're worth less than that. < 1468524260 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You need liquidity to make them really be worth that much in a case like that. < 1468524263 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: In a normal poker game you could, assuming you have enough poker chips to implement that, of course. < 1468524266 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Enjoy being locked in your matrix of solidity. < 1468524311 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :solid advice? < 1468524383 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another way can be: If at the beginning of the deal you have only red chips, you can exchange two red chips for ten white chips; if the ante or blind is not a multiple of five this will be necessary anyways. This also mean that white chips are slowly replenished in this way. < 1468524697 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yes, that's what happens here too, sadly, ever since 2015 automn when the Post announced they're no longer changing forint banknotes to smaller ones for free. < 1468524734 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :their rates are so high that I'm actually incentivized to buy a single envelope for 5 forint, repeated up to 7 times, to change a 20000 forint note to 2000 forint notes, rather than pay their normal change fees < 1468524745 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would take a lot of time of the cashier of course < 1468524755 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they might kick me up when I try it < 1468524790 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm no, it's only up to 5 times I think < 1468524896 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, up to 4 times < 1468524899 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something, I can't count < 1468525169 0 :augur!~augur@2602:304:cdac:e260:5113:a07f:540c:f2b7 JOIN :#esoteric < 1468525791 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`random-pokemon < 1468525791 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: random-pokemon: not found < 1468525802 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`encounter < 1468525803 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: encounter: not found < 1468525808 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`random-encounter < 1468525809 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: random-encounter: not found < 1468526007 0 :zgrep_the_change!?@? NICK :zgrep < 1468526295 0 :adu!~ajr@pool-71-178-208-237.washdc.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1468526479 0 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1468528307 0 :augur!~augur@2602:304:cdac:e260:5113:a07f:540c:f2b7 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1468528466 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1468528470 0 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@82.144.205.57 QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1468528964 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1468529347 0 :adu!~ajr@pool-71-178-208-237.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1468529600 0 :adu!~ajr@pool-71-178-208-237.washdc.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1468530522 0 :adu!~ajr@pool-71-178-208-237.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1468532249 0 :Cale_!~Cale@2607:fea8:9840:324:7c47:d14b:16cb:35ea JOIN :#esoteric < 1468532287 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1468532333 0 :Cale!~Cale@2607:fea8:9840:324:40a1:9df4:882d:d800 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1468532444 0 :Cale_!?@? NICK :Cale < 1468533778 0 :Akaibu!uid118096@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xbhyrrzlepxmbnvu JOIN :#esoteric < 1468533781 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1468534167 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1468534605 0 :adu!~ajr@pool-71-178-208-237.washdc.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1468534799 0 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-owurcqilhxbttfnv QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1468535356 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was there something one should do in particular in Cambridge, England? < 1468535396 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sound posh < 1468535399 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :drink tea < 1468535421 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION thinks for a second
< 1468535433 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sneak into the library and read stuff at midnight? < 1468535530 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@2a02:1811:d22:cc00:a50e:512b:a2f8:11e8 QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in < 1468535536 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think we'll be doing a day trip, not overlapping with midnight. < 1468535548 0 :adu!~ajr@pool-71-178-208-237.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1468535560 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it's a day trip, then you probably live in England, correct? < 1468535567 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :London, yes. < 1468535591 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, so basically that just leaves Cambridge-specific stuff. < 1468535634 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I thought the tea thing was a little too general. < 1468535640 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe try dressing to blend in with the crowd... and sneak into the library to learn stuff. (I have no idea, really.) < 1468535675 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the record, I just stuck on the ", England" part because I also have a trip to Cambridge, MA, and didn't want to be ambiguous. < 1468535727 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :error: too many cambridges < 1468535772 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I'm not event going to Cambridge, Ontario at all. < 1468536179 0 :zgrep!?@? NICK :zgrep_the_Slow < 1468536216 0 :MoALTz!~no@78-11-183-124.static.ip.netia.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1468536395 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1468536899 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloily < 1468537124 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :another terror attack in france https://www.reddit.com/live/x99pqdwudg0l/ < 1468537255 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :shit < 1468537266 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :FUCK YOU 2016 < 1468537312 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@vps.jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1468537713 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1468537871 0 :adu!~ajr@pool-71-178-208-237.washdc.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1468537895 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quinthellopia, izabellora. < 1468537897 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :AGAIN? < 1468537921 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like so < 1468538349 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the murderer already managed to get himself martyred. fuck the world. anyone know where i can get a rip van winkle drug? < 1468538415 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1468538551 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1468538703 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1468539211 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've been sucked into the random-space-jam-mashups vortex of the youtube remix community again-- < 1468539234 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :the danciest of strange attractos < 1468539470 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :youtube has weird corners. < 1468539589 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :some of the corners are sharp < 1468539632 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Day < 1468539636 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :magandang gaboily < 1468539643 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: wat? < 1468539655 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you usually say Nite when you leave. < 1468539659 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But then there's no way to respond. < 1468539670 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the other hand it's hardly daytime for you right now. < 1468539675 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION notices that his nvg shell account seems to have lost its quotas. he's not sure whether to be delighted or worried.
< 1468539689 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are its quotas? < 1468539693 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something microscopic? < 1468539724 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a few hundred Mb < 1468539747 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :by "lost" i mean quota now reports there are no quotas. < 1468539774 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :trathnóerjana maith duit. tagalog? < 1468539818 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep! < 1468539854 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yé :D < 1468539878 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that did look gaelic, which it was. < 1468539880 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :coily < 1468539913 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :(do you recognize that lang oerjan?) < 1468539948 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: a _bit_ short... < 1468539960 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :could be ciao, which is at least italian. < 1468539964 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: the Irish variant of. < 1468539973 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: nope < 1468539979 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: your guess? < 1468540037 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i still guess it's romance or slavic. portuguese? < 1468540068 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(just because it uses c. hm so does turkish...) < 1468540072 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :most probably not slavic. < 1468540092 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :vietnamese, possibly? eventually? < 1468540102 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i _think_ some south slavic languages borrowed ciao... < 1468540106 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no! < 1468540109 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :found! < 1468540114 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: nice choice :D < 1468540123 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat. < 1468540154 0 :adu!~ajr@pool-71-178-208-237.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1468540222 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's actually québécois. that language is weird... < 1468540250 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha ha! we're still using «bonsoir». < 1468540255 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :time for some more cheating... < 1468540320 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :croatian has Ćao < 1468540350 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not even close to the cigar. < 1468540379 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is obviously just reading through a list now.
< 1468540403 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :An ølist? < 1468540414 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? oerjan < 1468540418 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ørjan < 1468540438 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your mysterious articled cackling zombie øverlord kommisjonær emeritus oerjan is a lazy expert in future computation. Also a Precambrian Norwegian who mildly dislikes Roald Dahl with a pasjon. Lately when he tries to remember a word, "amortized" pops up. His arch-nemesis is Betty Crocker. He sometimes puns without noticing it. < 1468540440 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Ørjan is oerjan's good twin. He's banned in the IRC RFC for being an invalid character. Sometimes he publishes papers without noticing it. < 1468540442 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? œrjan < 1468540443 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​œrjan? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1468540458 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm nothing promising on that list < 1468540469 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, nothing starting with "co" < 1468540493 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slwd ørjan//s#^#Your pal # < 1468540499 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom/ørjan//Your pal Ørjan is oerjan's good twin. He's banned in the IRC RFC for being an invalid character. Sometimes he publishes papers without noticing it. < 1468540572 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :your pal ørjan johansen < 1468540650 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :an expert in new ro science < 1468540662 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ro science is presumably the science of persistent data structures < 1468540674 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :*rho science < 1468540680 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, even better. < 1468540696 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7494472 < 1468540697 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh man < 1468540701 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :a new rho mutation < 1468540721 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah there, at the end of "good evening" < 1468540742 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :my only defense is i actually thought of it before finding it. < 1468540768 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's pretty short indeed. < 1468540798 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep