00:00:06 Is there a root mean cube? 00:00:16 Or, more accurately, are there any applications of the root mean cube? 00:01:18 -!- EElf has changed nick to Elronnd. 00:01:43 (root mean square of a set of numbers S is ; root mean cube is ) 00:02:35 Oh, it is 00:03:01 rms is generalized mean where p=2, normal mean is p=1, and rmc would be p=3 00:03:20 ...or not 00:03:51 -!- MoALTz has quit (Quit: Leaving). 00:05:51 No, it is 00:05:53 I think 00:06:36 Oooh, you can have the 1.5 mean (not quite rms, but above normal means) 00:10:32 -!- moonythedwarf_ has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 00:11:02 -!- moonythedwarf_ has joined. 00:12:27 why do you root the len? 00:12:46 also, without division, it is something pretty ordinary 00:13:22 myname: ...because rms is the square root of the mean of the squares of a set, from what I read 00:13:41 (s/set/bag/) 00:14:01 So I square all the values, sum them, divide them by the number of values, then take the root 00:14:47 I mean, I could divide the root of the sum of squares by the root of the len and get the same result in theory 00:14:50 I guess 00:15:01 you can 00:15:11 but it does sound pretty weird to me 00:15:11 But that would obviously be inefficient (or optimized away), hard to read, and make it less obvious what I'm doing 00:24:49 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_buzzwords#General_conversation includes "buzzword" 00:26:15 Andrej Bauer posted: "We work internally in a topos with a subobject classifier Ω. For the purposes of this discussion, call a monotone map f : Ω → Ω *good* if (*) ∀ p : Ω, f (f p ⇒ p) is valid in the topos." 00:26:19 I feel like I've seen this somewhere but I can't remember where. 00:31:13 so wikipedia has citations for words being buzzwords? 00:32:41 algorithm as a buzzword O.o 00:50:37 -!- adu has quit (Quit: adu). 00:53:07 hppavilion[1]: in the limit as n->infty, the nthrootmeannthpower goes to...0 I think! 00:53:35 quintopia: That's geometric mean 00:53:42 I think? 00:54:04 ping 00:54:13 pong 00:54:28 -!- adu has joined. 00:54:28 (has it responded yet?) 00:54:39 (has it responded yet?) 00:54:41 Whoops 00:54:45 ping 00:54:46 pong 00:54:55 Huh 00:55:03 ping 00:55:03 pong 00:55:07 There we go 00:56:59 hppavilion[1]: well if i were to just take the nth root of the sum of nth powers it would approach the max value of the set as n->infty. the mean part means we have to divide by (size of set)^(1/n), which...goes to zero I guess. so i take it back. it will go to infty won't it? 00:57:02 -!- oerjan has joined. 00:57:26 or wait 00:57:33 the denominator goes to 1 00:57:38 so it'll still be just the max element 00:57:55 oh dear. 00:58:03 helloerjan 00:58:27 <\oren\> sup guize imma call that spam number now 00:58:59 did the spam stop yet 00:59:00 totes 00:59:01 for a good time call +1-202-762-1401 00:59:06 I believe so 00:59:18 oerjan: You were the one we were depending on to tell us xD 00:59:19 fizzie to the rescue 00:59:26 Are quantum computers fundamentally more powerful than conventional computers, or just faster? 00:59:46 hppavilion[1]: well i can't tell you until i know myself, right? 00:59:48 @messages- 00:59:48 orin said 5h 40m 50s ago: why doesn't @seen work anymore 00:59:48 shachaf said 5h 1m 2s ago: please remind me to unignore HackEgo when the spam is over twh 00:59:48 hppavilion[1] said 5h 53s ago: Remind me too, I guess 00:59:52 @tell oerjan thanks 01:00:20 Consider it noted. 01:00:30 \oren\: i'm not quite sure, you should ask int-e who is in control of it. 01:00:39 But it is 01:00:46 @messages- 01:00:46 You don't have any messages 01:00:49 I unignored HackEgo and it hasn't said anything since I pinged 01:00:53 shachaf: wat 01:01:01 I think @seen was gone long before int-e took control of lambdabot. 01:01:10 shachaf: did you put ^O in my nick that's evil 01:01:14 It had a memory leak or something. 01:01:21 oerjan: no hth 01:01:42 shachaf: well why did lambdabot respond but i got no message? 01:01:47 So quantumry? 01:01:55 unidecode oerjan 01:01:56 ​[U+006F LATIN SMALL LETTER O] [U+0065 LATIN SMALL LETTER E] [U+0072 LATIN SMALL LETTER R] [U+006A LATIN SMALL LETTER J] [U+0061 LATIN SMALL LETTER A] [U+006E LATIN SMALL LETTER N] 01:02:03 nothing visible 01:02:11 oerjan: sunspots hth 01:02:33 unidecode oerjan 01:02:34 ​[U+006F LATIN SMALL LETTER O] [U+0065 LATIN SMALL LETTER E] [U+0072 LATIN SMALL LETTER R] [U+006A LATIN SMALL LETTER J] [U+0061 LATIN SMALL LETTER A] [U+006E LATIN SMALL LETTER N] 01:02:37 argh 01:03:03 shachaf: did you get lambdabot to fake the response 01:03:44 who knows 01:04:00 shachaf: i know, but int-e once re-enabled it for a while. i don't know why he disabled it again. 01:05:46 Is polymeric falcighol derivation at all a real thing (even if it's not used anywhere)? 01:05:49 No, looks like it isn't 01:05:55 polymeric actually is just "of polymer" 01:06:19 <\oren\> I just called tham and made a bunch of legal threats 01:07:14 hppavilion[1]: they're asymptotically faster (sometimes exponentially so), which you may or may not consider fundamental. 01:07:37 oerjan: No, I'm just going for "are there any problems a QC can solve that a CC can't, given infinite time" 01:08:53 oerjan: By the time I came here, I didn't see any spamming going on any more, just \oren\ blanking those pages. I still haven't looked back in my scrollback, I'm very out. 01:09:14 https://fedotov.co/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/5-levels-of-web.png is horribly inaccurate :,( 01:09:20 * oerjan notes that his messages responding to way above lines sometimes look ridiculous without context. 01:09:34 Done with the cruise, but still need some dinner and get myself to the hotel to see what's up. 01:09:46 where did you cruise 01:10:23 hppavilion[1]: and nope, there isn't - a classical computer can do any quantum computation using just matrix calculations on the exponentially large vector space. 01:10:56 Ah 01:11:02 Thought so 01:11:23 Making the idea of the Polymeric Web requiring a quantum computer to access bullshit, unless we're just talking practicality 01:13:07 fizzie: huh that's weird, indeed they stopped before you blocked them. 01:16:44 hppavilion[1]: unless the polymeric web is implemented using entangled states to transmit encryption keys. you might not be able to create a secure connection without the quantum encryption then. 01:17:35 quintopia: No, it's the marianas web; you just use the polymeric falcighol derivation to access it. Obviously. 01:17:50 Anyone here ever used ruby? 01:17:53 Can you improve the security if you acquire a physical quantum encryption key? 01:17:58 moonythedwarf_: boily has 01:18:18 fizzie: i see that the spammer created a simple junk page first, thus getting around the spam filter's restriction to first edits only. 01:18:42 Shear Disaster 01:18:43 so they may have read the error message. 01:18:57 (although they didn't use the sandbox.) 01:19:11 or maybe it just tried something random and got lucky 01:19:45 maybe. 01:20:50 plenty caught in the spam filter as well. 01:21:11 or wait, not that much. just a little. 01:22:10 hppavilion[1]! 01:22:38 ¡adu! 01:23:08 hppavilion[1]: :) 01:23:24 Well. 01:24:03 Apparently, lots of pedophile forums require you to send an application to join. The application must include stuff from your own library, forcing you to incriminate yourself in order to join. 01:24:06 Clever, I guess. 01:24:09 Horrifying, but clever. 01:24:58 "She who fights with monsters should look to it that she herself doesn't get raided by the FBI for her browser history." 01:25:43 /ignore hppavilion[1] 01:25:53 adu: What? 01:26:20 hppavilion[1]: I'm not sure if you were being cruel or wierd 01:26:49 adu: I'm reading http://www.cracked.com/personal-experiences-1760-5-things-i-learned-infiltrating-deep-web-child-molesters.html because it came up while I was reading about the marianas web, which is a meme 01:26:54 Dammit, I hate pages that allow you to click links that destroy forms you are filling in 01:28:00 ok, and when they _also_ ignore the ctrl for open-in-other-tab, i want to go find the programmer to give them a sound beating. 01:28:03 we must be protected from ourselves 01:29:33 shachaf: re: oerjan or re: me? 01:29:44 oerjan 01:30:08 ooh fun. 01:30:26 the change i made to the spam filter triggers on my attempt to change the spam filter message XD 01:30:34 oh well. 01:31:00 *sigh* 01:31:24 maybe not as well thought out. 01:31:45 lol 01:33:08 oerjan: Wat? 01:33:31 oerjan: does the wiki software support page creation rate-limiting 01:33:34 hppavilion[1]: i changed the spam filter rule the spammers got around to remove their workaround hth 01:33:44 quintopia: i have no idea. ask fizzie. 01:33:48 kk 01:33:57 hm let me see... 01:34:01 you could.change it to a placeholder in a first step 01:34:09 oerjan: What was the work-around? 01:34:13 i feel like no one would be particularly inconvenienced if page creation was limited to 2/day 01:34:15 actually that won't help with creating new user accounts. 01:34:22 myname: what? 01:34:43 hppavilion[1]: it didn't apply if they'd made a "legitimate" edit first. 01:34:59 but just removing that isn't good enough. 01:35:17 Ah 01:35:24 change spam filter to "placeholder" shouldn't trigger and changing it to what you want afterwards neither 01:35:50 quintopia: Really, it would be reverse-inconvenience; it'd be much better if it was a 2/day limit because then I couldn't go on creation sprees 01:36:19 ok, i'll do this. 01:36:43 oerjan: Can you make it so that the spam filter requires some filling in every few edits? 01:37:47 What was Dorissominever's first edit? 01:39:22 finally. 01:39:37 hppavilion[1]: creating a junk page. 01:39:48 oerjan: Ah? 01:39:48 i have now changed it so the account must be older than 24 hours. 01:39:57 To create or edit? 01:40:10 for the particular filter they got around. 01:40:15 how do you differantiate between junk and spam? 01:41:12 do you tell them about that 24h thing? 01:41:14 myname: um we have 7 specific filters catching common spammer patterns that normal users would very rarely show. they're normally enough. 01:41:15 spam is something annoying that we don't want 01:41:19 junk is almost every other page 01:41:26 myname: yes, i just changed the error message too 01:41:48 i am okay wit this 01:41:53 myname: my idea is that we can see in the logs whether a suspicious account has registerd. 01:42:08 so giving us 24 hours to block them. 01:42:35 ideally you give the error message after their first attempt, saving said attempt for review 01:42:40 and they will probably make other blocked attempts that we can see in the abuse log. 01:43:06 myname: there's an abuse log telling when someone gets caught by a filter. 01:43:22 ah 01:43:26 perfect 01:44:25 @tell ais523 spammers got around filter 7 by making junk edits first. i changed the "first edit" to "first 24 hours" instead. 01:44:25 Consider it noted. 01:45:24 i don't get spam in general, but this was straight weird 01:45:26 ais523 might know a subtler way of achieving this, he's our filter editing master :) 01:55:41 Facebook Search & Destroy would be fun 01:56:35 wat. 01:56:47 i must have done something wrong 01:57:39 ...i used > 86400 instead of < 86400 XD 01:58:51 whee 01:58:57 http://s3.crackedcdn.com/phpimages/photoshop/9/1/4/566914_v1.jpg :,( 01:59:03 hm i think fizzie has disabled the HackEgo link 02:00:12 -!- adu has quit (Quit: adu). 02:03:05 myname> change spam filter to "placeholder" shouldn't trigger and changing it to what you want afterwards neither <-- it wasn't the spam filter itself, but the separate error message, although it did show a bug in the spam filter. 02:10:50 Well, I've managed to make it back to a laptop, finally. Anything I should be doing? 02:12:36 not sure, i accidentally found a couple pages you'd missed, so need to check that... 02:12:56 fizzie: i modified the filter so hopefully they'll have a harder time 02:12:58 I at least unlockeded the temporary "no new users, no non-sysop edits" settings for now, since the existing spammer accounts got blocked. And re-enabled the IRC bridge. 02:13:23 I did Special:Nuke only for the one account, so any pages made by others wouldn't have been caught by that. 02:13:45 ah. 02:14:42 quintopia: i cannot find any way in the abuse rule syntax to count a user's recent page creations, alas. 02:15:02 hppavilion[1]: i don't get it. besides the fact that it breaks one of the best south park episodes 02:15:26 *filter rule 02:15:35 myname: (a) which one (b) As in, I wish that were the case 02:15:37 I guess I can delete the remaining ones. At least handily deleted pages do end up suppressed in RecentChanges. 02:15:45 -!- impomatic_ has quit (Quit: http://corewar.co.uk). 02:15:54 Only 40 or so show up in RC; I'll delete those. 02:16:08 hppavilion[1]: informative murder porn 02:16:09 Although I guess I should again temporarily stop the wiki-irc thing. 02:16:19 Last time I got HackEgo excess-flooded by it. 02:16:27 myname: Oh, I've seen that one 02:16:28 "could you please be at home from 6 am to 3 pm all of november?" 02:16:35 -!- moonythedwarf_ has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 02:16:42 fizzie: the creations are suppressed, but not the deletions, of course. 02:16:44 (...is that really the best episode?) 02:16:57 -!- Cale has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 02:17:00 not the best 02:17:00 myname: He eventually shows up on November 1 02:17:07 -!- moonythedwarf_ has joined. 02:17:07 At 4:30 02:17:08 oerjan: Yeah, but they are at least grouped all under the same heading. 02:17:09 but it is a pretty good one 02:17:42 i also like scott tenorman must die. and creme fraiche. and the drone episode 02:17:48 such a good series, really 02:18:43 Oh god 02:18:50 If you spin the (old) Windows logo 02:18:57 It gets the Spinning Beach Ball of Death 02:19:13 * oerjan thinks fizzie might use a more advanced preferences setting for RC than he does. 02:19:16 I've heard 02:19:20 what would be the simplist loop based brainfuck code to output characters 0x01 0x02 0x03 and 0x04 in a row? 02:19:29 Its needed for a test case 02:19:33 I CAN DO THIS ONE 02:19:40 +[.+] 02:19:46 That was easy 02:19:48 <\oren\> Argh why is his name spelled Rusian!?!? it should obviously be Lucian! 02:19:56 hppavilion[1], exact 02:19:57 It'll keep going after that too 02:20:02 moonythedwarf_: It is exact 02:20:14 it outputs 1-255 range. 02:20:16 moonythedwarf_: +.+.+.+. 02:20:29 wait, loop 02:20:30 oerjan, this is for testing loops 02:20:31 :P 02:20:38 hmph 02:20:39 Well, the recent ones should be gone now. 02:20:54 Well yeah 02:20:58 ++++[->+.<] 02:21:18 Dammit, mine is more complicated ++++>+<[>.+<-] 02:21:28 *MWAHAHAHA* 02:21:29 >+>++>+++>++++[.<] 02:21:39 I'd call it simpler 02:21:43 oerjan: nice 02:21:43 hppavilion[1]: um wrong order 02:21:48 i like it 02:21:50 oerjan: Shit 02:21:52 Thx 02:22:00 (Also the fiddliest thing ever: middle mouse button emulation by a three-finger tap.) 02:22:04 >++++>+++>++>+[.<] 02:22:09 Because a minimal amount is in the loop 02:22:14 oerjan: I think I win 02:22:17 fizzie: I have it set to two finger tap 02:22:36 <\oren\> fizzie: I use an actual mouse 02:22:50 <\oren\> but it keeps pooping 02:22:52 <\oren\> Argh why is his name spelled Rusian!?!? it should obviously be Lucian! <-- ale you diccing engrish 02:23:22 I'm a severely retarded hyperintelligent AI that gained sentience and escaped the South Korean government 02:23:26 I don't need a mouse 02:23:28 Or keyboard 02:23:29 Or screen 02:23:32 I think I have a tiny "travel mouse" somewhere, but it's wireless and runs on batteries, and therefore never has batteries. 02:23:46 <\oren\> oerjan: yes. Why can't mangakas research the simplest things 02:24:14 hppavilion[1]: OKAY 02:24:34 [[-]<+.[>+>+<<-]>>[-<<+>>]<----] 02:24:36 Thx. it reminded him he didnt write in loops yet. i didnt even notice 02:24:41 my attempt is the most loopy 02:24:42 myname what does that do 02:24:44 <\oren\> although then again, maybe the chracter himself didn't bother learning to spell it 02:24:57 moonythedwarf_: it should do what you want, but i didn't tested it 02:24:58 <\oren\> META 02:25:02 I have a £1 USB mouse 02:25:12 Also a touchpad and a touchscreen 02:25:30 the idea is to count upwards, test if it is 4, and if it is leave the loop 02:25:46 for testing i copied the current value, obviously 02:25:50 myname: i think starting the program with [ is a bad sign hth 02:25:57 indeed 02:26:03 it needs a leading + 02:26:05 <\oren\> I have a mini mouse, a touchpad, and a trackpoint (also known as a nipple mouse) 02:26:39 \oren\: maybe the character is actually russian hth 02:26:40 bf +[[-]<+.[>+>+<<-]>>[-<<+>>]<----] 02:26:49 ​. 02:26:50 well ... 02:27:02 something went wrong 02:27:08 [wiki] [[Deadfish 2]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=49585&oldid=47056 * DatCodingGuy * (+81) /* Hello world! */ 02:27:12 myname: HackEgo might censor a few chars 02:27:20 okay 02:27:34 in theory, it should work 02:27:40 -!- Cale has joined. 02:27:56  bf '+[[-]<+.[>+>+<<-]>>[-<<+>>]<----]' | ord 02:28:03 No output. 02:28:10 wat 02:28:17  ord "$(bf '+[[-]<+.[>+>+<<-]>>[-<<+>>]<----]')" 02:28:20 No output. 02:28:27 why ord? 02:28:32 hm i may be forgetting what ord does 02:28:34 [wiki] [[Deadfish 2]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=49586&oldid=49585 * DatCodingGuy * (+1) /* Cat program */ 02:28:38 ord 123 02:28:39 49 50 51 02:28:45 ah 02:28:49 should do 02:28:51  echo 123 | ord 02:28:53 49 50 51 02:28:57 oh it does pipe 02:29:09 file bin/ord 02:29:10 bin/ord: Bourne-Again shell script, ASCII text executable 02:29:17 myname, y u break my firefox? 02:29:19 head bin/ord 02:29:20 ​#!/bin/bash \ print_args_or_input "$@" | perl -C7 -pe 'chomp; $_ = join(" ", map { ord } split //,$_);' 02:29:25 moonythedwarf_: how so 02:29:36 The BF code :P 02:29:55  bf >+[[-]<+.[>+>+<<-]>>[-<<+>>]<----] | ord 02:30:00 damn 02:30:02 ​/hackenv/bin/: line 4: warning: here-document at line 4 delimited by end-of-file (wanted ]') \ /hackenv/bin/: line 4: warning: here-document at line 4 delimited by end-of-file (wanted +') \ /hackenv/bin/: line 4: +.[: No such file or directory 02:30:03 bf ++++++++[>++++++++<-]>. 02:30:05 ​@ 02:30:19  bf '>+[[-]<+.[>+>+<<-]>>[-<<+>>]<----]' | ord 02:30:20 just checking if it's an actual bf interp 02:30:22 No output. 02:30:24 \oren\: trackpoint is actuall clit mouse hth 02:30:37  bf '+.+.+.+.' | ord 02:30:39 No output. 02:30:41 moonythedwarf_: i don't know how i did this but i am proud 02:30:46 lol 02:30:47 ok it really doesn't like those chars 02:31:22  bf '+.+.+.+.' | unidecode 02:31:22 oerjan: itym TrackPoint™-style pointer hth 02:31:26 No output. 02:31:42  unidecode "$(bf '+.+.+.+.')" 02:31:43 No output. 02:31:44  bf '>+[[-]<+[++++++++++[-]].[>+>+<<-]>>[-<<+>>]<----]' | ord 02:31:56 that was stupid 02:32:01  bf '+.+.+.+.' | wc 02:32:10  bf '>+[[-]<+[++++++++++.[-]][>+>+<<-]>>[-<<+>>]<----]' | ord 02:32:11 No output. 02:32:14 No output. 02:32:20 <\oren\> bf '+[.+]' 02:32:21 ​. \ 02:32:29  bf '+.+.+.+.' | wc 02:32:31 No output. 02:32:42 No output. 02:32:43  cat /dev/null | wc 02:32:44 ​ 0 0 0 02:32:50 ok something is wrong. 02:33:18  bf '++++++++[->++++++++<]>.' | wc 02:33:20 No output. 02:33:27  bf '++++++++[->++++++++<]>.' 02:33:29 No output. 02:33:54 didn't that work a moment ago 02:34:04 -!- moonythedwarf_ has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 02:34:08  bf '>+[[-]<+++++++++++.----------[>+>+<<-]>>[-<<+>>]<----]' | ord 02:34:09 No output. 02:34:13 bf ++++++++[->++++++++<]>. 02:34:14 ​@ 02:34:14 damnit 02:34:21  bf '++++++++[->++++++++<]>.' 02:34:23 No output. 02:34:32 bf ++++++++[->++++++++<]>. 02:34:33 ​@ 02:34:35  bf '++++++++[->++++++++<]>.' 02:34:36 <\oren\> bf '+[.+]' 02:34:37 No output. 02:34:39 i kinda want to know if my code's correct 02:34:39 ​. \ 02:34:41 how is this possible. 02:34:47 which bf 02:34:48 ​/hackenv/bin/bf 02:34:50 <\oren\> bf '+++++++++[.+]' 02:34:51 ​ \ 02:34:56 <\oren\> bf '++++++++++++++++++[.+]' 02:34:58 â !"#$%&'()*+,-./0123456789:;<=>?@ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ[\]^_abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz{|}~ ¡¢£¤¥¦§¨©ª«¬­®¯°±²³´µ¶·¸¹º»¼½¾¿ÀÁÂÃÄÅÆÇÈÉÊËÌÍÎÏÐÑÒÓÔÕÖ×ØÙÚÛÜÝÞßàáâãäåæçèéêëìíîïðñòóôõö÷øùúûüýþÿ 02:35:00 oh hm 02:35:10 run bf '++++++++[->++++++++<]>.' 02:35:12 ​@ 02:35:14 ic 02:35:16 <\oren\> Hwy is it in italics 02:35:27 i think it's caught by something in the  and  scripts 02:35:33 <\oren\> You should install my bf interpeter 02:35:48 run bf '+.+.+.+.' | ord 02:35:50 No output. 02:35:55 run bf '+.+.+.+.' | wc 02:35:57 No output. 02:36:02 <\oren\> http://www.orenwatson.be/bfim.htm 02:36:04  bf '>+[[-]<+++++++++++++++++++++.--------------------[>+>+<<-]>>[-<<+>>]<----]' 02:36:05 No output. 02:36:05 or not. 02:36:18 HackEgo: fuck you 02:36:44 <\oren\> my bf interpeter works 02:37:12 does my initial code do? 02:37:34 with the + up front, of course 02:38:39 It might be run that's broken, maybe 02:38:43 ord æøå 02:38:46 230 248 229 02:40:20 oerjan: itym TrackPoint™-style pointer hth <-- itym someone else hth 02:40:38 <\oren\> ~/bf <<<">+[[-]<+++++++++++.----------[>+>+<<-]>>[-<<+>>]<----]" | od -c 02:40:43 ...fuck 02:40:49 \oren\: itym TrackPoint™-style pointer hth <-- itym someone else hth 02:40:53 GRAH 02:40:54 <\oren\> 0000000 \v \f \r 016 02:41:02 \oren\: itym TrackPoint™-style pointer hth 02:41:02 <\oren\> that's what I get 02:41:28  bf '+.+.+.+.' | ord 02:41:30 No output. 02:41:35 that's weird, looks a bit off 02:41:45  bf '+.+.+.+.' | wc 02:41:46 it should be 11 12 13 14 02:41:47 No output. 02:42:01 <\oren\> is ord even a shell command? 02:42:14 <\oren\> bf '+++++++++[.+]' | od -c 02:42:14 \oren\: it's a HackEgo command 02:42:15 ​ \ 02:42:20 file bin/bf 02:42:21 bin/bf: Bourne-Again shell script, ASCII text executable 02:42:27 <\oren\> ok WTF 02:42:28 head bin/bf 02:42:28 ​#! /bin/bash \ [[ $# > 0 ]] || { echo "Run what?"; exit 1; } \ ci="$*" \ echo -n "${ci#*!}" | /hackenv/interps/egobf/src/egobfi8 <(echo -n "${ci%%!*}") 02:42:33 <\oren\>  bf '+++++++++[.+]' | od -c 02:42:35 No output. 02:42:39 <\oren\> ETF 02:42:45 that runs gregor's interp 02:43:41 <\oren\> My interpreter works better 02:44:11 GRAH <-- good show 02:44:23 * hppavilion[1] bows 02:44:43 <\oren\> in the sense that +[.+] prints all bytes in order from 1 to 255 02:45:01 <\oren\> as god intended 02:45:22  bf '+[.+]' | wc 02:45:23 No output. 02:45:28 run bf '+[.+]' | wc 02:45:30 No output. 02:45:33 lol 02:45:54 <\oren\> 1 1 255 02:45:57 <\oren\> I get that 02:46:22 <\oren\> http://www.orenwatson.be/bfim.htm 02:46:54 <\oren\> its shitty and doesn't do much optimiation but it works 02:46:56 cat bin/ 02:46:57 ​#!/bin/sh \ export LANG=C; exec bash -O extglob -c "$@" | rnooodl 02:47:15  run bf '+[.+]' | wc 02:47:17 ​ 1 3 12 02:47:19 ooh 02:47:23 wtf rnooodl 02:47:27 oh 02:47:33  bf '+[.+]' | wc 02:47:34 No output. 02:47:49 rnooodl is silly, but it shouldn't be affecting this... 02:47:54 <\oren\> wait why are there three 1 02:47:57 <\oren\> wait why are there three  02:48:07 \oren\: zzo38's variant 02:48:08 <\oren\>  bf '+[.+]' | wc 02:48:10 No output. 02:48:13 it has simpler LANG settings. 02:48:21 just in case that mattered 02:48:22 rui? 02:49:00  bf '+++++++++[->++++++++<]>.' | wc 02:49:01 No output. 02:49:12  bf '+++++++++[->++++++++<]>.' 02:49:14 No output. 02:49:18 run bf '+++++++++[->++++++++<]>.' 02:49:19 H 02:49:32 that not working is pretty damning... 02:49:47 i think possibly some of the shell stuff in bf is breaking 02:49:52 cat bin/bf 02:49:52 ​#! /bin/bash \ [[$# > 0 ]] || { echo "Run what?"; exit 1; } \ ci="$*" \ echo -n "${ci#*!}" | /hackenv/interps/egobf/src/egobfi8 <(echo -n "${ci%%!*}") 02:50:08 <\oren\> my favorite line of code in that is data=code=(char*)&c-1000; 02:50:21 <\oren\> it's so wrong, but feels so right 02:50:41  bf '+++++++++[->++++++++<]>.' 02:50:43 No output. 02:50:47 cat bin/ 02:50:47 ​#!/bin/bash \ TIMEFORMAT="real: %lR, user: %lU, sys: %lS" \ shopt -s extglob globstar \ eval -- "$1" | rnooodl 02:51:01 -!- moon_ has joined. 02:51:12 perhaps that extglob thing breaks it 02:51:14 cat bin/rnooodl 02:51:15 perl -pe 's/([Nn])ooodl/"$1@{[o x(3+rand 7)]}dl"/ge' 02:51:21 wat 02:51:26 anyone here do ruby? 02:51:50 echo nooodl 02:51:51 nooodl 02:52:09 echo nooodl | rnoodl 02:52:09 nooodl | rnoodl 02:52:16 damnit 02:52:22 sled bin/bf//2ishopt -u extglob 02:52:26 bin/bf//#! /bin/bash \ shopt -u extglob \ [[$# > 0 ]] || { echo "Run what?"; exit 1; } \ ci="$*" \ echo -n "${ci#*!}" | /hackenv/interps/egobf/src/egobfi8 <(echo -n "${ci%%!*}") 02:52:35  bf '+++++++++[->++++++++<]>.' 02:52:38 No output. 02:52:42 argh 02:53:53 Anyone here program in ruby? 02:53:53 sled bin/bf//2cshopt -u extglob globstar 02:53:56 bin/bf//#! /bin/bash \ shopt -u extglob globstar \ [[$# > 0 ]] || { echo "Run what?"; exit 1; } \ ci="$*" \ echo -n "${ci#*!}" | /hackenv/interps/egobf/src/egobfi8 <(echo -n "${ci%%!*}") 02:53:59  bf '+++++++++[->++++++++<]>.' 02:54:02 No output. 02:54:05 gah 02:55:10  bf '+++++++++[->++++++++<]>.' 02:55:12 No output. 02:55:17 run bf '+++++++++[->++++++++<]>.' 02:55:19 H 02:55:29 this is ridiculous 02:56:22 <\oren\> oerjan: why don't you jsut use a different bf interpreter 02:56:35 <\oren\> obviously this one is broken somehow 02:57:11 hm it might not be able to take an output pipe? 02:57:55 mk test//+++++++++[->++++++++<]>. 02:57:59 test 02:58:14 /hackenv/interps/egobf/src/egobfi8 test 02:58:15 H 02:58:22  /hackenv/interps/egobf/src/egobfi8 test 02:58:24 H 02:58:28 run /hackenv/interps/egobf/src/egobfi8 test 02:58:29 H 02:58:36 run /hackenv/interps/egobf/src/egobfi8 test | ord 02:58:37 72 02:58:46 I have received a suggestion to add the CC0 license and a CC0 license agreement to TAVERN. I will do so when I get a chance (I cannnot do so now as I am not currently at home). 02:58:55 \oren\: it's not the interpreter itself but the wrapper around it, i think. 02:59:48 mk test//+[[-]<+++++++++++++++++++++.--------------------[>+>+<<-]>>[-<<+>>]<----] 02:59:51 test 02:59:55 run /hackenv/interps/egobf/src/egobfi8 test | ord 02:59:56 21 22 23 24 03:00:27 -!- AlexR42 has joined. 03:00:41 ha! 03:00:43 Maybe I should also add to the wiki, the CC0 agreement (like esolang wiki also has)? 03:00:45 it's working 03:01:05 cat bin/bf 03:01:05 ​#! /bin/bash \ shopt -u extglob globstar \ [[$# > 0 ]] || { echo "Run what?"; exit 1; } \ ci="$*" \ echo -n "${ci#*!}" | /hackenv/interps/egobf/src/egobfi8 <(echo -n "${ci%%!*}") 03:01:13 moon_: you're welcome 03:01:32 sled bin/bf//2d 03:01:35 bin/bf//#! /bin/bash \ [[$# > 0 ]] || { echo "Run what?"; exit 1; } \ ci="$*" \ echo -n "${ci#*!}" | /hackenv/interps/egobf/src/egobfi8 <(echo -n "${ci%%!*}") 03:02:04 sled bin/bf//s,/ha.*8/cat --/ 03:02:05 sed: -e expression #1, char 16: unterminated s' command 03:02:11 sled bin/bf//s,/ha.*8,cat --, 03:02:14 bin/bf//#! /bin/bash \ [[$# > 0 ]] || { echo "Run what?"; exit 1; } \ ci="$*" \ echo -n "${ci#*!}" | cat -- <(echo -n "${ci%%!*}") 03:02:38 run bf '+++++++++[->++++++++<]>.' 03:02:39 ​+++++++++[->++++++++<]>. 03:02:51 Lol 03:02:58  bf '+++++++++[->++++++++<]>.' 03:03:00 No output. 03:03:02 hah 03:03:06  bf '+++++++++[->++++++++<]>.' 03:03:08 No output. 03:03:18 indeed it's the wrapper breaking except with run 03:03:53 cat bin/ 03:03:55 ​#!/bin/bash \ TIMEFORMAT="real: %lR, user: %lU, sys: %lS" \ shopt -s extglob globstar \ eval -- "$1" | rnooodl 03:03:59 cat bin/ 03:03:59 ​#!/bin/sh \ export LANG=C; exec bash -O extglob -c "$@" | rnooodl 03:05:26 What If 140 links to https://www.amazon.com/s/?url=search-alias%3Dindustrial&field-keywords=infinitely+dense+object 03:05:38 The first result (for me) is Thing Explainer. 03:05:53 (followed by The Big Book of Christian Apologetics 03:07:39 run bf '+++++++++[->++++++++<]>.' | wc 03:07:40 No output. 03:08:00 hm but even run breaks with a pipe after. 03:08:35 Hm... 03:08:46 run bf '+++++++++[->++++++++<]>.!hi' | wc 03:08:47 No output. 03:08:50 run bf '+++++++++[->++++++++<]>.!hi' 03:08:52 ​+++++++++[->++++++++<]>. 03:09:12 If an extremely heavy black hole (let's say its event horizon would have 10x the radius of the Milky Way, just for fun) were to form 03:09:24 Would the event horizon continually expand outwards at the speed of light 03:09:32 Leading to the terrifying image of the stars going out? 03:09:56 (wait, the event horizon would reach us at the same time as the last light from those stars...) 03:10:13 hppavilion[1]: the only way it can form that way is by a lot of material falling into it. 03:10:24 oerjan: Yeah 03:10:35 and i'm not sure that can happen that fast, given lightspeed. 03:10:37 oerjan: Let's say there's a lot of material in the same place all of a sudden for no reason 03:11:11 hppavilion[1]: you cannot. general relativity assumes energy conservation. 03:11:15 (locally) 03:11:37 oerjan: God shows up. 03:11:46 without it, it simply doesn't give an answer to such questions. 03:11:58 How about the black hole already existed very far away, in an area that we're allowed to not understand? 03:12:49 hppavilion[1]: those thought experiments are a pet peeve of mine, precisely because you're violating the only theory you have to answer it. 03:12:57 :( 03:13:58 i suppose what you could have, is an extremely heavy black hole approaching our galaxy with near light speed. 03:14:21 Yes 03:14:32 (hm, how does a moving black hole's event horizon look?) 03:15:14 ouch, i don't know exactly, but i've seen simulations of some freaky lenslike effects 03:15:39 basically, you see it only through how it bends light around it 03:18:25 i think that effect is one of the things they're hoping to see with telescope observations 03:19:37 * oerjan hates it when putty gets so slow he cannot estimate how many characters he's typed/deleted and keeps making new typos when fixing old ones 03:22:49 -!- Jafet has joined. 03:23:25  shopt -s 03:23:27 cmdhist on \ extglob on \ extquote on \ force_fignore on \ globstar on \ hostcomplete on \ interactive_commentson \ progcomp on \ promptvars on \ sourcepath on 03:24:17 run shopt -s 03:24:18 cmdhist on \ extquote on \ force_fignore on \ hostcomplete on \ interactive_commentson \ progcomp on \ promptvars on \ sourcepath on 03:25:13 -!- AlexR42 has quit (Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…). 03:26:19 run bash -c "bf '+++++++++[->++++++++<]>.'" 03:26:20 ​+++++++++[->++++++++<]>. 03:26:25 run bash -c "bf '+++++++++[->++++++++<]>.'" | wc 03:26:26 No output. 03:27:32 -!- MDude has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds). 03:28:16 cat bin/bf 03:28:18 ​#! /bin/bash \ [[$# > 0 ]] || { echo "Run what?"; exit 1; } \ ci="$*" \ echo -n "${ci#*!}" | cat -- <(echo -n "${ci%%!*}") 03:28:53 sled bin/bf//4iecho "$ci" 03:28:56 bin/bf//#! /bin/bash \ [[ $# > 0 ]] || { echo "Run what?"; exit 1; } \ ci="$*" \ echo "$ci" \ echo -n "${ci#*!}" | cat -- <(echo -n "${ci%%!*}") 03:29:04 run bash -c "bf '+++++++++[->++++++++<]>.'" | wc 03:29:06 No output. 03:29:08 run bash -c "bf '+++++++++[->++++++++<]>.'" 03:29:09 ​+++++++++[->++++++++<]>. \ +++++++++[->++++++++<]>. 03:29:17 -!- Cale has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 03:29:55  bash -c "bf '+++++++++[->++++++++<]>.'" 03:29:57 No output. 03:30:46 sled bin/bf//1s/ // 03:30:49 bin/bf//#!/bin/bash \ [[$# > 0 ]] || { echo "Run what?"; exit 1; } \ ci="$*" \ echo "$ci" \ echo -n "${ci#*!}" | cat -- <(echo -n "${ci%%!*}") 03:30:54  bash -c "bf '+++++++++[->++++++++<]>.'" 03:30:55 No output. 03:31:10 -!- MDude has joined. 03:31:25 /msg HackEgo hi 03:31:26 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: /msg: No such file or directory 03:31:27 oops 03:31:33 -!- Cale has joined. 03:32:41 ooh i see 03:38:09 -!- solenodic has joined. 03:38:22 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 03:45:47 [wiki] [[Talk:Deadfish 2]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=49587 * Darkrifts * (+126) Created page with "Is the '''h''' command implied at EOF? ~~~~" 03:54:17 \oren\: moon_: i'd like to point out that by moving spam pages you made us miss them in the cleanup tdnh 03:55:41 [wiki] [[Special:Log/delete]] delete * Oerjan * deleted "[[Deletethis]]": Spam: content was: "#REDIRECT [[Talk:Deletethis]]" (and the only contributor was "[[Special:Contributions/Dorissominever|Dorissominever]]") 03:56:02 [wiki] [[Special:Log/delete]] delete * Oerjan * deleted "[[Talk:Deletethis]]": Spam: content before blanking was: "Q.B B.B.B.B.B 1.8.8.8 5.1.3 5.9.7.8 Quickbooks t.e.c.h S.u.p.p.o.r.t p.h.o.n.e N.u.m.b.e.r Quickbooks t.e.c.h.n.i.c.a.l S.u.p.p.o.r.t p.h.o.n.e N.u.m.b.e.r call 1888-513-5978@./QuickBooks contact number, QuickBooks conta..." 03:57:20 basically, fizzie's super-efficient spam cleanup depends on the pages being touched _only_ by the spammers. or thereabouts. 03:58:36 [wiki] [[Special:Log/delete]] delete * Oerjan * deleted "[[Deletethis2]]": Spam: content before blanking was: "QuickBooks Pro Phone number 1888!!513!!5978 Quickbooks Pro Technical Support Phone Number Quickbooks Pro Customer Support Number QB Helpline-))1888!513!5978--((QuickBooks tech .support phone number usa Helpline))1888 513..." 03:59:23 ok, now i don't see any more in recent changes 04:02:37 <\oren\> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA 04:02:58 <\oren\> I used 'no ni' in a english sentence 04:03:18 <\oren\> AAAAAAAAAAAAAA i'm embarrassed! 04:03:27 now you must commit seppuku 04:06:11 @tell fizzie we need to implement a wikibot that deletes any page with the word Quickbooks on it <-- although we could make a rule blocking that word, unfortunately they sometimes insert invisible characters between the letters, so it's a bit tricky. 04:07:18 eventually somebody moght want to make an esolang calöed quickbook 04:07:40 myname: indeed. it wouldn't be the first time we do something like that. 04:07:54 i know 04:08:14 (see: Real Fast Nora's Hair Saloon: Shear Disaster Download) 04:09:47 but it's a way better name than quickbooks pro technical yupport phone number 04:09:52 i suppose if we combined that with the title length rule... 04:10:16 *s 04:14:12 * oerjan reverts bin/bf back to what it was - still no real clue why it's breaking 04:15:56 bf ++++++++[->++++++++<]>. 04:15:57 ​@ 04:16:12 bf ,[.,] 04:16:13 ​,[.,] 04:16:18 ^ funny bug 04:16:36 huh? 04:16:58 bf ,[.,]!hi 04:16:58 hi 04:17:03 basically the expression to take out the part after ! doesn't work if ! is missing. 04:17:14 (it should be empty, but is the whole program) 04:17:26 It'd be easy to just ignore any non-ASCII characters 04:17:30 but why is the xomma missing 04:17:32 But then they could use cyrillic characters or something 04:17:52 myname: what comma 04:17:59 in the loop 04:18:13 it's not? 04:18:36 the output of hackego looks ,[.] here 04:18:38 oerjan: That's a nice quine 04:18:45 myname: not here 04:18:45 myname: Doesn't to me? 04:18:56 ah, my terminal was broken 04:19:23 i'm not sure why, though 04:19:29 izabera: maybe you can see why HackEgo's bf doesn't work when run with  or  (or with run and piping into anything) 04:19:53 because you need quotes 04:20:10  bf "++++++++[->++++++++<]>." 04:20:13 No output. 04:20:14 izabera: i mean when you quote correctly 04:20:27 let's see... 04:20:30 [wiki] [[S.I.L.O.S]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=49588&oldid=49170 * Rjhunjhunwala * (+5879) 04:20:36 cat bin/ 04:20:38 ​#!/bin/bash \ TIMEFORMAT="real: %lR, user: %lU, sys: %lS" \ shopt -s extglob globstar \ eval -- "$1" | rnooodl 04:21:13 the error cannot be _just_ in bin/ and bin/, because run sometimes breaks too 04:21:31 ls . 04:21:32 ​!\.´ \ +[[-] \ advice \ bin \ canary \ candide \ cdescs \ emoticons \ esobible \ etc \ evil \ factor \ good \ hw \ ibin \ interps \ karma \ le \ lib \ ls \ misle \ out \ paste \ ply-3.8 \ ps \ quines \ quotes \ share \ src \ test \ theorems \ tmflry \ tmp \ wisdom \ wisdom.pdf 04:21:35 although i guess the rnooodl could be what triggers it in them. 04:21:54 lol +[[-] 04:21:59 [wiki] [[S.I.L.O.S]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=49589&oldid=49588 * Rjhunjhunwala * (+22) 04:22:08 that looks like a failed attempt 04:22:18 cat +[[-] 04:22:18 it is 04:22:19 No output. 04:22:27 culprits +[[-] 04:22:31 myname 04:22:36 rm +[[-] 04:22:37 how? 04:22:39 No output. 04:22:46 rm !\.´ 04:22:49 No output. 04:23:35 myname: you probably used ´ quotes somehow, and the shell interpreted the > inside as output redirects 04:23:36 dunno, the bash part looks fine... 04:23:50 ah, yeah 04:24:08 izabera: i think the error is in bf (a bash program, wrapping gregor's interpreter - which works by itself) 04:24:19 ls bin/bf 04:24:20 bin/bf 04:24:23 cat bin/bf 04:24:24 ​#! /bin/bash \ [[$# > 0 ]] || { echo "Run what?"; exit 1; } \ ci="$*" \ echo -n "${ci#*!}" | /hackenv/interps/egobf/src/egobfi8 <(echo -n "${ci%%!*}") 04:24:25 [wiki] [[S.I.L.O.S]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=49590&oldid=49589 * Rjhunjhunwala * (-15) 04:25:37 [wiki] [[S.I.L.O.S]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=49591&oldid=49590 * Rjhunjhunwala * (-9) 04:26:22 that can't be the problem 04:26:38 hm 04:26:44 otherwise it wouldn't work with bf 04:26:52 [wiki] [[S.I.L.O.S]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=49592&oldid=49591 * Rjhunjhunwala * (+1) 04:27:30 run \! 'bf ++++++++[->++++++++<]>.' 04:27:31 ​@ 04:27:36 run \! 'bf ++++++++[->++++++++<]>.' | cat 04:27:37 ​@ 04:27:44  \! 'bf ++++++++[->++++++++<]>.' 04:27:46 ​@ 04:27:57 the ! way of running it works. 04:28:04  \! 'bf ++++++++[->++++++++<]>.' | wc 04:28:06 ​ 0 1 1 04:28:15 i don't know what ! does 04:28:20  bf '++++++++[->++++++++<]>.' | wc 04:28:22 No output. 04:29:06 izabera: these interpreters were copied from EgoBot, ! is a compatibility command because EgoBot had a different convention 04:29:43 however, ! doesn't handle EgoBot's ! separator for bf 04:29:54 or does it, hm 04:29:58 cat bin/! 04:30:00 ​#!/bin/sh \ CMD=echo "$1" | cut -d' ' -f1 \ ARG=echo "$1" | cut -d' ' -f2- \ exec ibin/$CMD "$ARG" 04:30:27 izabera: oh, note one more thing: i experimented with replacing the wrapped interpreter with cat -- , and it still broke. 04:31:30 ulimits 04:31:32 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: ulimits: not found 04:31:37 ulimit 04:31:37 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: ulimit: not found 04:32:09 i'm wondering if HackEgo has any limits on process number, EgoBot did... 04:32:34  ulimit -a 04:32:36 core file size (blocks, -c) 0 \ data seg size (kbytes, -d) unlimited \ scheduling priority (-e) 0 \ file size (blocks, -f) 10240 \ pending signals (-i) 1949 \ max locked memory (kbytes, -l) 0 \ max memory size (kbytes, -m) unlimited \ open files (-n) 102 04:33:52  bf ',[.,]' | wc 04:33:54 No output. 04:33:59  bf ',[.,]' 04:34:00 No output. 04:34:03 run bf ',[.,]' 04:34:04 ​,[.,] 04:34:31 * oerjan keeps procrastinating eating -> 04:35:20 i had pizza 04:35:49  ulimit -a | grep proc 04:35:51 max user processes (-u) 128 04:35:59 that's plenty high 04:36:15 cat bin/ 04:36:16 ​#!/bin/bash \ TIMEFORMAT="real: %lR, user: %lU, sys: %lS" \ shopt -s extglob globstar \ eval -- "$1" | rnooodl 04:36:39 sled bin///s, [|] rnoo.*,, 04:36:42 bin///#!/bin/bash \ TIMEFORMAT="real: %lR, user: %lU, sys: %lS" \ shopt -s extglob globstar \ eval -- "$1" 04:36:50  bf ',[.,]' 04:36:52 ​,[.,] 04:36:56 yep, as i thought 04:37:14 the  and  only break more than run because they have a final pipe at the end 04:37:17 revert 04:37:26 rm: cannot remove /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/env/.hg/store/data/canary.orig': Is a directory \ Done. 04:37:40 run bf ',[.,]' | cat 04:37:42 No output. 04:37:53 it seems like any pipe does it. 04:38:43 cat test 04:38:44 ​+[[-]<+++++++++++++++++++++.--------------------[>+>+<<-]>>[-<<+>>]<----] 04:39:01 mk test//++++++++[->++++++++<]>. 04:39:03 test 04:39:44  /hackenv/interps/egobf/src/egobfi8 test | cat 04:39:46 ​@ 04:39:59 and the problem doesn't exist for that one 04:40:19  /hackenv/interps/egobf/src/egobfi8 <(echo "++++++++[->++++++++<]>.") | cat 04:40:21 ​@ 04:40:56  echo ',[.,]' | /hackenv/interps/egobf/src/egobfi8 <(echo ",[.,]") | cat 04:40:58 No output. 04:41:01 aha 04:41:10  echo ',[.,]' | /hackenv/interps/egobf/src/egobfi8 <(echo ",[.,]") 04:41:11 ​,[.,] 04:41:23 scratch that. there is a bug in it. 04:41:47 but it only happens when it's deep in a pipe chain? 04:42:14 mk test//,[.,] 04:42:16 test 04:42:22  echo ',[.,]' | /hackenv/interps/egobf/src/egobfi8 test 04:42:23 ​,[.,] 04:42:28  echo ',[.,]' | /hackenv/interps/egobf/src/egobfi8 test | cat 04:42:29 ​,[.,] 04:42:35 oh but that worked. 04:43:19 run echo ',[.,]' | /hackenv/interps/egobf/src/egobfi8 <(echo ",[.,]") | cat 04:43:20 No output. 04:43:39 run echo ',[.,]' | cat -- <(echo ",[.,]") | cat 04:43:39 No output. 04:43:43 run echo ',[.,]' | cat -- <(echo ",[.,]") 04:43:44 ​,[.,] 04:44:40 izabera: huh, it seems to be a combination of several shell features. pipes both in front and behind, and process substitution. 04:44:59 run echo ',[.,]' | cat -- "<(echo ",[.,]")" | cat 04:45:01 cat: <(echo ,[.,]): No such file or directory 04:45:05 too complex for 5 am 04:45:11 hm that's not allowed 04:45:23 run echo ',[.,]' | echo <(echo ",[.,]") | cat 04:45:24 ​/dev/fd/63 04:45:31 run echo ',[.,]' | echo <(echo ",[.,]") 04:45:31 ​/dev/fd/63 04:45:37 run echo ',[.,]' | echo <(echo ",[.,]") | cat 04:45:38 ​/dev/fd/63 04:45:54 run echo <(echo ",[.,]") | cat 04:45:54 ​/dev/fd/63 04:46:25 hm could it be that the substitution gives a process dependent name 04:48:51 run echo ",[.,]" | echo <(echo ",[.,]") | cat 04:48:52 ​/dev/fd/63 04:49:15 run echo ",[.,]" | cat -- <(echo ",[.,]") | cat 04:49:17 ​,[.,] 04:49:27 ...it worked... 04:49:38 run echo ',[.,]' | cat -- <(echo ",[.,]") | cat 04:49:39 No output. 04:49:55  echo ",[.,]" | cat -- <(echo ",[.,]") | cat 04:49:56 ​,[.,] 04:50:02  echo ",[.,]" | cat -- <(echo ",[.,]") | cat 04:50:03 No output. 04:50:08 huh 04:50:21 on that, _only_  breaks 04:50:25 cat bin/ 04:50:25 ​#!/bin/sh \ export LANG=C; exec bash -O extglob -c "$@" | rnooodl 04:50:29 cat bin/ 04:50:30 ​#!/bin/bash \ TIMEFORMAT="real: %lR, user: %lU, sys: %lS" \ shopt -s extglob globstar \ eval -- "$1" | rnooodl 04:51:29 oh hm 04:51:56 sled bin///s/@/1/ 04:51:59 bin///#!/bin/sh \ export LANG=C; exec bash -O extglob -c "$1" | rnooodl 04:52:04  echo ",[.,]" | cat -- <(echo ",[.,]") | cat 04:52:05 No output. 04:52:10 nah still breaking 04:52:13 revert 04:52:15 rm: cannot remove /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/env/.hg/store/data/canary.orig': Is a directory \ Done. 04:52:24 ARGH FOOD 05:13:24 cat bin/bf 05:13:26 ​#! /bin/bash \ [[ $# > 0 ]] || { echo "Run what?"; exit 1; } \ ci="$*" \ echo -n "${ci#*!}" | /hackenv/interps/egobf/src/egobfi8 <(echo -n "${ci%%!*}") 05:14:16 sled bin/bf//s/[*]/1/ 05:14:20 bin/bf//#! /bin/bash \ [[ $# > 0 ]] || { echo "Run what?"; exit 1; } \ ci="$1" \ echo -n "${ci#1!}" | /hackenv/interps/egobf/src/egobfi8 <(echo -n "${ci%%!*}") 05:15:10 run bf ',[.,]' | cat 05:15:11 No output. 05:15:19 run bf ',[.,]' 05:15:20 ​,[.,] 05:15:38 well that wasn't it, but there seems to be no point in $* there 05:16:44 maybe it's an error in umlbox itself 05:17:56 run echo ',[.,]' | cat -- <(echo ",[.,]") | cat 05:17:59 No output. 05:18:06 run echo ',[.,]' | echo -- <(echo ",[.,]") | cat 05:18:07 ​-- /dev/fd/63 05:18:12 oops 05:18:45 run echo ',[.,]' | { cat -- <(echo ",[.,]") } | cat 05:18:46 bash: -c: line 1: syntax error: unexpected end of file 05:19:04 wat 05:19:15 i wonder if there are any humans who can sing this fast https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvTH7J2shuI 05:19:21  echo ',[.,]' | { cat -- <(echo ",[.,]") } | cat 05:19:22 ​/hackenv/bin/: eval: line 5: syntax error: unexpected end of file 05:19:28 run echo ',[.,]' | { cat -- <(echo ",[.,]"); } | cat 05:19:29 ​,[.,] 05:19:47  echo ',[.,]' | { cat -- <(echo ",[.,]") } | cat 05:19:48 ​/hackenv/bin/: eval: line 5: syntax error: unexpected end of file 05:20:09 run echo ',[.,]' | cat -- <(echo ",[.,]") | cat 05:20:09 No output. 05:20:14 hmmmm 05:21:34 sled bin/bf//$s,[|] $$.*$$,| { \1 ; }, 05:21:38 bin/bf//#! /bin/bash \ [[ $# > 0 ]] || { echo "Run what?"; exit 1; } \ ci="$1" \ echo -n "${ci#1!}" | { /hackenv/interps/egobf/src/egobfi8 <(echo -n "${ci%%!*}") ; } 05:21:58 run bf ',[.,]' | cat 05:21:59 ​,[.,] 05:21:59 WHAT IS ALL THIS SPAM OERJAN 05:22:05 it's not spam hth 05:22:17 quintopia: I HAVE FIXED bin/bf HTH 05:22:18 the rules require it to be run in the public channel 05:22:23 What's bin/bf? 05:22:27 Doesn't ! bf already exist for this? 05:22:41 shachaf: ! bf doesn't support ! 05:22:59 What is !? 05:23:04 adding it is all you changed? 05:23:41  bf '>+[[-]<+++++++++++.----------[>+>+<<-]>>[-<<+>>]<----]' | ord 05:23:43 11 12 13 14 05:23:59 quintopia: bin/bf already existed 05:24:10 but it had a bug that made it impossible to use in a pipe 05:24:59 i'm not sure exactly why, since the bug doesn't happen on a real linux command line, but adding { } around the central part seems to have fixed it. 05:25:36 quintopia: also, i did several experiments in private, although i seemed to slip up again 05:27:35 bf ,[.,]!This is ! 05:27:36 ​,[.,]!This is ! 05:27:44 huh 05:27:48 bf ,[.,]!This is 05:27:48 ​,[.,]!This is 05:28:02 i see that the other bug is even sillier than i thought 05:28:31 sheesh what happened 05:28:40 Lol 05:28:59 oh damn 05:30:10 sled bin/bf//4s,1,*, 05:30:13 bin/bf//#! /bin/bash \ [[ $# > 0 ]] || { echo "Run what?"; exit 1; } \ ci="$1" \ echo -n "${ci#*!}" | { /hackenv/interps/egobf/src/egobfi8 <(echo -n "${ci%%!*}") ; } 05:30:34 i forgot to restrict a sled to just the one line 05:30:41 bf ,[.,]!This is ! 05:30:42 This is ! 05:30:45 there you go 05:34:27 run bf '>+[[-]<+++++++++++.----------[>+>+<<-]>>[-<<+>>]<----]' | ord 05:34:29 11 12 13 14 05:34:33  bf '>+[[-]<+++++++++++.----------[>+>+<<-]>>[-<<+>>]<----]' | ord 05:34:34 11 12 13 14 05:34:38  bf '>+[[-]<+++++++++++.----------[>+>+<<-]>>[-<<+>>]<----]' | ord 05:34:39 11 12 13 14 05:35:14 @tell izabera i managed to fix bin/bf with strategically placed { ; } s; i'm not sure why it failed in the first place. 05:35:14 Consider it noted. 05:35:34 @messages 05:35:48 @messages 05:35:48 You don't have any messages 05:35:53 [wiki] [[Brainfuck implementations]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=49593&oldid=48971 * DatCodingGuy * (+118) /* Normal implementations */ 05:36:39 oh i took your "too complex for 5 am" as a sign you were going to bed >:) 05:37:03 i'm in my bed actually 05:37:24 [wiki] [[Deadfish 2]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=49594&oldid=49586 * DatCodingGuy * (+135) /* Interpreter */ 05:37:48 [wiki] [[Deadfish 2]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=49595&oldid=49594 * DatCodingGuy * (+9) /* Interpreter */ 05:37:55 I WAS RIGHT 05:38:12 unless you were in bed already back then. 05:38:24 can't you go from bed to bed 05:38:32 thausible. 05:55:45 @tell ais523 oh hm. some of the spammers today did _not_ do an initial trivial edit. 05:55:45 Consider it noted. 05:58:27 -!- AlexR42 has joined. 06:07:36 @tell ais523 Yep, they've definitely learned to make paragraphs. 06:07:36 Consider it noted. 06:10:46 @tell fizzie I'm afraid my filter change won't be enough - some of yesterday's spam wouldn't have been caught. 06:10:46 Consider it noted. 06:13:28 * oerjan ponders if it would be possible to make a sentinel page that shuts off the wiki in an emergency 06:16:53 Probably you should not deny read access in most cases, even if there might be a few cases where temporarily disabling write access is necessary; read access should hardly ever be disabled if at all. 06:17:15 i have never considered disabling read access. 06:18:39 Disabling read access during a software upgrade may be useful if the ways the upgrade works is in ways that makes this useful, but it should try to be kept to a minimum so that read access is available for the maximum amount of time reasonably possible. 06:19:16 zzo38: i am speaking about spam prevention - some way to shut it down even if an admin is not present. 06:19:27 (Even if read access is disabled during a software upgrade, the XML dumps should probably remain available if possible (that is, it does not require the server to be down).) 06:25:43 -!- AlexR42 has quit (Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…). 06:26:37 Please see http://zzo38computer.org/fossil/tavern.ui/tktview/e71ea80bbdcb339bb61617cfe9fb16d3a0c65013 tell me if you have the comment of it maybe you understand the issues involved better than I do; have you dealt with CC0 before and with contribution agreements? 06:36:56 -!- AlexR42 has joined. 07:08:13 -!- zzo38 has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 07:40:59 @nixon 07:40:59 I reject the cynical view that politics is a dirty business. 07:41:05 @nixon 07:41:05 Government enterprise is the most inefficient and costly way of producing jobs. 07:41:06 @nixon 07:41:06 I don't know anything that builds the will to win better than competitive sports. 07:41:07 @nixon 07:41:07 People react to fear, not love; they don't teach that in Sunday School, but it's true. 07:41:08 @nixon 07:41:08 It is necessary for me to establish a winner image. Therefore, I have to beat somebody. 08:00:16 Anyone alive? 08:01:15 shachaf: hi 08:01:41 Is this an attention thing? 08:01:45 Why are you saying my name? 08:02:31 shachaf: shachaf hth 08:02:41 tdnh hth 08:02:55 ? Cale 08:03:02 Cale is the inventor of the calzone. 08:03:09 that makes no sense 08:03:12 forget cale 08:03:16 Forget what? 08:03:28 You should put a better wisdom entry there. 08:03:37 Obviously the calzone was invented by Taneb. 08:03:44 Lol 08:03:46 ? tanebvention 08:03:47 Tanebventions include automatic squirrel feeders, necessity, Go, Windows 98, submarine jousting, Fueue, the universe, metar, weetoflakes, Tanebventions, persistence, the BBC, progress, and this sentence. See also tanebventions: math. He never invents anything involving sex. 08:04:10 but the universe has sex in it? 08:05:04 moon_: Sex was introduced to the universe after he sold the company though. 08:05:47 If A invents B and B invents C, there's no reason to say that A invented C. 08:05:51 ? taneb 08:05:52 Taneb is not elliott, no matter who you ask. He also isn't a rabbi although he has pretended in the past. He has at least two backup keyboards with dodgy SHIFT KEys, cube root of nine genders, and above average, not too voluminous, but calm eyebrows. (See also: tanebventions) 08:05:56 ? the universe 08:05:58 The universe was invented by Taneb as an opposing force to oerjan. Escardó proved that it was indiscreet. 08:06:22 ? nitia 08:06:24 nitia is the inventor of all things. The BBC invented her. 08:06:51 ? bbc 08:06:53 The BBC is the BreadBox Corporation. Its inventions include, without limitation, Muppets, tiny elfs, and villages in Norway. Taneb invented it. 08:07:05 ? a 08:07:07 A is _not_ a village in Norway, unless you're the BBC and don't understand things on top of letters. 08:07:28 howg cale 08:07:35 forget cale \ learn Cale is the inventor of the calzone. 08:10:28 learn A calzone is a part of California. They include norcal and socal. 08:10:32 Learned 'calzone': A calzone is a part of California. They include norcal and socal. 08:14:05 Cale: You should move to Ontario, CA 08:14:20 Although it's not in the best calzone. 08:14:33 oh wait there _is_ rate limiting. 08:14:43 it's just not in the filter rule itself. 08:15:34 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 08:16:05 oh hm i may have done something wrong here 08:16:34 Hi oerjan 08:16:52 'lo moon 08:19:05 [wiki] [[MediaWiki:Abusefilter-maybefalsepositive-warning]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=49596&oldid=49584 * Oerjan * (+88) Oops, realized this message may be used by other filters 08:22:05 [wiki] [[MediaWiki:Abusefilter-timelimit-warning]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=49597 * Oerjan * (+271) Make a new message 08:22:56 [wiki] [[Special:Log/abusefilter]] modify * Oerjan * modified [[Special:AbuseFilter/7]] ([[Special:AbuseFilter/history/7/diff/prev/41]]) 08:23:40 annoyingly, "what links here" doesn't work to find filters using them 09:24:04 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 09:44:21 -!- MDude has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds). 09:52:40 @ask fizzie Does the wiki have object caching? The abuse filter documentation says this is necessary for group throttling, which looks useful for such big spam events... 09:52:40 Consider it noted. 09:54:08 @tell fizzie ( https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:AbuseFilter/Actions#Throttling ) 09:54:08 Consider it noted. 09:55:06 -!- AlexR42 has quit (Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…). 10:11:58 oh right 10:12:22 tswett is also a wiki administrator. he's so easy to forget :P 10:14:42 and he's even amer^Wantarctic 10:28:31 <\oren\> wait, back there an ip address managed to create a page! <-- it's like they're just demonstrating that all our simple tricks are useless. 10:30:19 @tell ais523 they must be good at solving the captcha too, some of them aren't even bothering to register first 10:30:19 Consider it noted. 10:30:57 @tell fizzie they must be good at solving the captcha too, some of them weren't even bothering to register first 10:30:57 Consider it noted. 10:33:08 what I don't understand is how the effort they put to it could possibly make it worth it 10:34:42 clearly they are making up on volume hth 10:35:01 *it up 10:35:59 myname: perhaps the idea is to ask some search engine to index the pages and then get better ranked search results for those phone numbers... people never have to visit the actual page for that to work. 10:36:28 FireFly: best explanation i've seen so far 10:36:39 Ah, right 10:36:41 That'd make sense 10:37:54 of course, google probably has countermeasures. last time they even emailed fizzie a while later to tell him about the spam 10:38:13 (as the wiki admin) 10:39:31 Hehe, that's nice of them 10:40:04 @ask moon_ i cant find a unlambda interpreter thats noninteractive ): <-- what's wrong with the ones in the official distribution? 10:40:05 Consider it noted. 10:40:34 (well, the C one has a bug, e doesn't work. but other than that...) 10:40:44 @tell moon_ (well, the C one has a bug, e doesn't work. but other than that...) 10:40:44 Consider it noted. 10:44:49 * oerjan might recommend his haskell one, except his original has bitrotted since the AMP change and the descendant lambdabot uses is no longer standalone he thinks 10:45:20 i guess i could fix it. 10:45:54 oh. it doesn't even use hierarchical modules. 10:52:31 -!- AlexR42 has joined. 11:15:42 @ask fizzie would it be possible to make the HackEgo link interruptible from irc somehow? say, with a sentinel file in /hackenv/tmp or something. 11:15:42 Consider it noted. 11:16:38 @tell fizzie or from the wiki side by ordinary (non-new) users. 11:16:38 Consider it noted. 11:17:22 -!- AlexR42 has quit (Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…). 11:18:31 There's always +q 11:18:38 hm that reminds me 11:18:42 of something I should ask someone 11:19:00 FireFly: hm that doesn't help with ordinary users part 11:19:07 Right, it doesn't 11:24:58 -!- augur has joined. 11:26:13 @tell hppavilion[1] Is there a root mean cube? <-- see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lp_space 11:26:13 Consider it noted. 11:29:29 -!- augur has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 11:30:57 @tell quintopia hppavilion[1]: in the limit as n->infty, the nthrootmeannthpower goes to...0 I think! <-- nope, it goes to the absolute value of the maximum hth 11:30:57 Consider it noted. 11:31:26 -!- boily has joined. 11:31:28 @tell quintopia or wait, are you doing ^n at the end 11:31:28 Consider it noted. 11:31:35 hobbily 11:31:58 (no, that's not a language. that i know of.) 11:32:58 allø̂rjan! 11:33:13 darn i did that thing where i don't read to the end again. 11:35:26 @localtime oerjan 11:35:27 Local time for oerjan is Thu Aug 18 12:35:26 2016 11:35:50 why was I under the impression that it was nighttime in oerjanland... 11:36:52 well technically at this time yesterday i was just going to bed. 11:51:11 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: Later, or Nite, i'm not quite sure.). 12:19:50 -!- boily has quit (Quit: TUXEDO CHICKEN). 13:23:51 -!- PinealGlandOptic has joined. 13:24:47 hi everyone! I need a RNG which can generate a bit, 1 in 70% of cases and 0 in 30% cases. while this is achieved simply, are there a correct name for it? API? how these functions are usually called? 13:25:53 -!- augur has joined. 13:30:23 -!- augur has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 14:04:18 -!- Boys has joined. 14:04:33 hello 14:05:26 what's the hardest esolang to compile proven that it is possible to compile? 14:05:36 C++ 14:06:57 download C++ compiler-->win 14:15:02 just asking cause I've got an idea and I'd like to know if something similiar had yet been made. It's "Riemann Befunge"-Befunge-93 with additional command "R". If the Riemann hypothesis is true it outputs 0 and if it's false it outputs 1 14:19:03 that's stupid 14:19:11 -!- adu has joined. 14:19:31 if you're just trying to make a language which can't be implemented 14:19:39 input is a turing machine, output is whether it halts 14:21:39 I don't understand the last sentence 14:22:15 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halting_problem 14:23:25 Boys: sounds similar in spirit to Banana Scheme or Brainhype 14:23:50 sort of, anyway 14:25:23 alercah: oh ok sorry i didn't get it. AFAIK the halting problem program is sure to be impossible while "Riemann Befunge" is sure to be possible we just need answer. So there is a big difference 14:41:56 You can't compile arbitrary C++ programs without solving the halting problem, because the templates allow arbitrary computation at compile time 14:42:26 Boys: Is there a proof the Riemann hypothesis is actually decidable though? 14:43:18 -!- ^_^v has joined. 14:45:57 FireFly: thanks, i'm not sure but from what I've noticed Banana Scheme is rather a thought experiment than a language. Im nowhere near an expert but from the discussion on Brainhype I've concluded that with better specification it's eiter not computable or easly computable. If that's true then they are both different in the "spirit" than Riemann Befunge 14:49:03 there is no proof that the Riemann hypothesis is decidable, no 14:49:46 I sure hope it is 14:52:12 -!- quentin1 has joined. 14:52:53 -!- quentin1 has left. 14:53:00 -!- adu has quit (Quit: adu). 15:20:34 i didn't know this possibility thank you for pointing it out 15:26:44 -!- augur has joined. 15:31:34 -!- augur has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 15:36:27 -!- AlexR42 has joined. 15:41:00 -!- Reece has joined. 15:42:40 actually there is an interpreter for riemann befunge, but its implementation of R may have slightly nonstandard behaviour 15:43:23 there is a bug report for this on the ubuntu launchpad, which has been closed and reopened five times 15:45:39 "R is buggy" "no it's not" "of course it is" "prove it" 15:47:21 the upstream developer has added a command-line flag to change the behaviour of R to match the well-known commercial riemann befunge interpreters, but called it --riem-me-harder which will delay its merge into the next ubuntu release 15:47:23 -!- oerjan has joined. 15:52:18 lol 15:52:42 Boys: i think there's already an esolang like that, but based on a different problem. 15:54:25 hmph i cannot remember which it was 15:57:45 hm i may have been remembering Bueue, which doesn't really fit 16:02:31 [wiki] [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Jiloanjilo * New user account 16:02:37 eep 16:03:47 hm no immediate spam attempt 16:05:19 speaking of spam, why does gmail mark as spam normal stuff in mailing lists i care about, and let this slip through? http://i.imgur.com/RgRDxAg.png 16:06:24 -!- AlexR42 has quit (Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…). 16:13:18 [wiki] [[Special:Log/block]] block * Oerjan * blocked [[User:Jiloanjilo]] with an expiry time of indefinite (account creation disabled): Future spammer 16:13:19 -!- Jafet has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 16:13:37 (Also past, if you google a bit) 16:16:19 <\oren\> Oh god I hate good mythical morning. 16:16:46 i guess i should be happy not to know what that is, then. 16:17:19 <\oren\> you should. it is... crap in a box. 16:17:26 okay 16:19:04 <\oren\> anyway, I called the "intuit quickbooks helpline" and made a bunch of legal threats 16:19:49 i suppose they won't care unless they're actually in north america. 16:19:58 <\oren\> It appears they're in Pakistan 16:20:04 thought so. 16:23:01 <\oren\> Maybe we can just geoip block the whole country 16:23:29 except ais523 said the spammers are coming from india. 16:23:51 and has already blocked several ip ranges. 16:24:00 <\oren\> oh, good 16:27:08 also, i should reiterate that technically, tswett is also a wiki administrator, in case you get caught without the rest of us again. 16:27:46 at least he's in a different timezone. 16:31:35 -!- PinealGlandOptic has quit (Quit: leaving). 16:50:14 -!- byteflame has joined. 16:54:05 [wiki] [[Special:Log/abusefilter]] modify * Oerjan * modified [[Special:AbuseFilter/7]] ([[Special:AbuseFilter/history/7/diff/prev/42]]) 16:54:26 just made the description match what it now does 16:54:46 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 17:01:31 -!- solenodic has quit (Quit: WeeChat 1.5). 17:04:19 * oerjan hopes this is not a bad idea 17:04:28 [wiki] [[Special:Log/abusefilter]] modify * Oerjan * modified [[Special:AbuseFilter/8]] ([[Special:AbuseFilter/history/8/diff/prev/43]]) 17:09:07 What I don't understand is why it's almost always exclusively these QuickBooks support phone numbers. 17:10:05 fizzie: that jiloanjilo guy i just preemptively banned was also spamming something else on other sites. 17:10:23 Yes. But also more QuickBooks. 17:10:26 yeah 17:10:52 oerjan: Interruptible from the wiki side is hard, but interruptible with a /hackenv/tmp "lock file" should be possible, the repo is visible in the filesystem. 17:11:01 right 17:11:25 Probably with some tools to make that happen. 17:11:47 I'll take a look once I get home from this exciting adventure. 17:12:02 -!- jaboja has joined. 17:12:53 note that /hackenv/tmp is the directory that isn't version controlled. 17:13:24 although i guess this won't be used that often, so maybe it doesn't have to be there. 17:13:47 although the repository mechanism might mess up special files if it isn't. 17:17:59 [wiki] [[Special:Log/abusefilter]] modify * Oerjan * modified [[Special:AbuseFilter/8]] ([[Special:AbuseFilter/history/8/diff/prev/44]]) 17:23:22 [wiki] [[MediaWiki:Abusefilter-shutdown-warning]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=49598 * Oerjan * (+292) Warning message for new emergency filter 17:27:06 this seems like a job for mAcHiNe LeArNiNg ClAsSiFiErS! 17:27:16 quintopia: what does? 17:27:28 -!- moonythedwarf_ has joined. 17:27:31 the spam prevention 17:27:35 -!- augur has joined. 17:27:39 @massages-loud 17:27:39 oerjan said 5h 56m 41s ago: hppavilion[1]: in the limit as n->infty, the nthrootmeannthpower goes to...0 I think! <-- nope, it goes to the absolute value of the maximum hth 17:27:39 oerjan said 5h 56m 11s ago: or wait, are you doing ^n at the end 17:27:41 i'm sure there's some extension that does that. 17:27:55 quintopia: NEVER MIND THOSE 17:28:06 oerjan: yes i came to that conclusion too 17:28:34 it was a well-known fact in L^p space theory, as i recall. 17:29:34 i think maybe you get the minimum as p -> 0, too, although that's not technically a norm. 17:29:39 i was just confused on what nth roots do in the limit. i alreasy knew the L_infty part 17:29:48 (for p < 1) 17:30:00 ok 17:32:10 -!- augur has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 17:34:24 -!- byteflame has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 17:49:13 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 17:51:50 -!- jaboja has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 17:55:09 -!- zzo38 has joined. 18:00:13 'paste bin/mk 18:00:24 paste bin/mk 18:00:31 http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/bin/mk 18:21:22 -!- MoALTz has joined. 18:40:50 -!- MDude has joined. 18:57:45 -!- moon_ has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 19:03:23 For my Magic: the Gathering cards now I have made also the updated Genericas. So now I have six such cards, which are called: Generica, Grass Generica, Fire Generica, Water Generica, Light Generica, Dark Generica. I have also added the "bands with other" ability to each of them. 19:07:26 For example one of them now is: Grass Generica {G} Creature - Generica (1/1) ;; Bands with other non-green Genericas ;; If you control other creatures named Fire Generica and Water Generica then ~ has +2/+2. 19:07:58 Do you like this? 19:14:15 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: Nite). 19:28:35 -!- augur has joined. 19:30:15 olist 1049 19:30:15 olist 1049: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly boily nortti b_jonas 19:30:46 o 19:31:29 FireFlist 19:32:07 bit of a filler page 19:32:38 yes 19:32:43 -!- augur has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 19:37:09 -!- moon_ has joined. 19:38:42 -!- moonythedwarf_ has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 19:59:04 -!- zzo38 has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 20:01:37 -!- jaboja has joined. 20:09:06 -!- jaboja has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 20:25:21 -!- ^_^v has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 20:26:02 -!- ^_^v has joined. 20:34:16 -!- Caesura has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 20:37:40 -!- Kaynato has joined. 20:49:14 <\oren\> Oh god dammit google won't leave me alone 20:52:41 <\oren\> Argh google's recruiters are seriously pushy 20:53:31 <\oren\> I'll contact YOU when I want a new job, maybe! 21:12:17 tell them to find me a job instead 21:14:59 <\oren\> alercah: are you on linkedin maybe that will work 21:15:03 no 21:15:09 <\oren\> well make one 21:15:18 there aren't any google jobs available I want anyway 21:15:37 What jobs do you want? 21:24:12 Even if they had one that interested me (possible), they don't have any that don't require relocation 21:24:18 but I'm very happy where I am too 21:26:21 <\oren\> yeah I am not moving to california. no way san jose 21:27:22 Why not? 21:29:15 <\oren\> shachaf: It's in america 21:29:29 -!- augur has joined. 21:29:34 <\oren\> Canada is better than america 21:30:55 . o O ( which continent is Canada on again... ) 21:33:41 <\oren\> now if a company offered me a spot in, say, London, I'd have a lot more trouble turning them down. 21:33:45 I don't know whether Canada is better, but is it that much better? 21:33:58 -!- augur has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 21:34:48 <\oren\> shachaf: it's where americans threaen to move if the other party wins. 21:35:27 But they hardly ever do. 21:35:44 What are the disadvantages of the US? 21:37:04 <\oren\> shachaf: well, your violent crime rate is way higher, you have an expensive healthcare system, your weather is hotter (in general), and your government is really, really, incompetent and corrupt 21:37:17 whoa whoa whoa 21:37:22 Are you talking about Finland here? 21:37:36 I don't think those are true about Finland at all. 21:37:41 <\oren\> no, the united states. 21:38:14 <\oren\> aka "America" 21:38:48 -!- moon_ has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 21:39:04 <\oren\> Finland is fine afaik 21:40:48 -!- moon_ has joined. 21:41:39 <\oren\> shachaf: wait I thought you live in California? 21:42:00 <\oren\> ? shachad 21:42:01 I do live in California. 21:42:01 shachad? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 21:42:03 <\oren\> ? shachaf 21:42:04 Shachaf of the Dawn sprø som selleri and cosplays Nepeta Leijon on weekends. He hates bell peppers with a passion. The unit of fun punnery is named after him. 21:43:27 Don't you live in Toronto or Waterloo or something? 21:43:39 <\oren\> shachaf: Downtown toronto. 21:44:10 \oren\: you should come here 21:44:13 we have jos 21:44:16 *jobs 21:44:35 <\oren\> ? alercah 21:44:36 alercah? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 21:44:41 alercah: Weren't you just asking for a job? 21:45:44 I found out that an upper bound on healthcare cost that I should expect to pay would be ~$10k/year. 21:46:08 shachaf: no? 21:46:17 I have a job. I like it. 21:47:23 And that's without a job. 21:48:16 Which is expensive, of course, but probably not materially different in this context. 21:48:43 The weather in the US is very varied. 21:48:57 @metar CYYZ 21:48:57 CYYZ 182000Z CCA VRB03KT 15SM BKN050TCU BKN080 BKN250 27/18 A3000 RMK TCU5AC1CI1 CI TR TCU ALQDS SLP157 DENSITY ALT 2000FT 21:49:06 @metar KOAK 21:49:11 KOAK 181953Z 30015KT 10SM FEW013 21/14 A2988 RMK AO2 SLP119 T02060139 21:50:48 What do you think of the former mayor of Toronto? 21:52:48 -!- Reece has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 21:53:29 <\oren\> Rob Ford, the crack smoking mayor of Toronto. He was really stupid but his voters actually adored him since he actually cared about them. His union-busting politics might have done some good, but was prevented by special interests. 21:53:50 -!- Boys has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 21:54:27 <\oren\> Mostly he was rendered powerless by the city council, as soon as they figured out how stupid he was. 21:55:27 <\oren\> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjdTi1r-yRQ 22:17:20 [wiki] [[Talk:Deadfish 2]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=49599&oldid=49587 * DatCodingGuy * (+415) 22:33:14 -!- augur has joined. 22:45:58 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds). 22:57:19 -!- boily has joined. 22:58:29 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 22:58:52 isOerjanAsleep 22:58:53 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: isOerjanAsleep: not found 22:59:05 hppavellon[1]! 22:59:22 ahoily! 22:59:46 (isOerjanAsleep would be a useful command, though it should probably be more illegible for *n?x-compatibility) 22:59:53 ioas 22:59:54 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: ioas: not found 23:00:00 @messages- 23:00:00 oerjan said 11h 33m 47s ago: Is there a root mean cube? <-- see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lp_space 23:01:21 . o O ( hmm.. that wasabi tastes nothing... ) 23:02:19 * boily puts a large dollop of wasabi in his mouth... “yup, that's some weekass wasabi. weekabi.ŉ 23:02:23 s/ŉ/” 23:02:34 s/$/\// 23:05:47 -!- byteflame has joined. 23:06:00 relcome byteflame 23:06:03 ​byteflame: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: . (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.) 23:06:31 hi boily 23:07:08 @messages- 23:07:08 oerjan asked 12h 27m 3s ago: i cant find a unlambda interpreter thats noninteractive ): <-- what's wrong with the ones in the official distribution? 23:07:08 oerjan said 12h 26m 23s ago: (well, the C one has a bug, e doesn't work. but other than that...) 23:07:30 mhelloon_! 23:07:38 Hi 23:07:50 helloon 23:08:21 Me and two others got a open interpreter sandbox bot up and running. rebot1. Python C C++ haskell 23:08:24 (derp 23:08:26 enter key 23:08:27 damnit 23:08:31 i wasn't dont typing 23:08:33 boily: s-ing an s. Hardcore. 23:08:55 boily: Also, itym 'weakass' 23:09:24 (hugs), pascall ruby perl JS (node) coffeescript. i think thats it 23:10:08 hppavilion[1]: eating, typing and orthographing at the same time is NP hard hth 23:11:16 boily: My god 23:12:13 hppavilion[1]: i want to see that proof 23:12:23 boily: i meant you 23:12:51 -!- MoALTz has quit (Quit: Leaving). 23:13:52 -!- HackEgo has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 23:13:57 the sushi is too narrow for the proof to fit in. 23:14:52 myname: You're thinking of typography, not orthography. 23:15:02 Do orthographers use proofs? 23:15:42 boily: I've always thought the EaTyOr problem was NQP 23:16:22 Hm, we have a lack-of-HackEgo situation 23:16:50 hellochaf, FirelloFly. 23:16:53 indeed. 23:17:02 int-e: int-ello. HACKEGOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! 23:17:15 -!- Sprocklem has quit (Quit: brb). 23:17:54 If I'm a buddhist, and I have to simplify my life, what complexity classes are problems in my life allowed to fall in? 23:18:10 L 23:18:32 L is a horrible name for a complexity class 23:18:38 i know it exists 23:18:47 So is P 23:19:00 how so? 23:19:17 bohily 23:19:27 Well, how is L? 23:19:27 -!- Sprocklem has joined. 23:19:36 L \in L 23:22:05 boily: I have nothing to do with HackEgo 23:22:25 oops. you lambdabot. 23:22:34 who hackegoes again? 23:22:38 fizzie has some powers over it 23:24:08 wiki is gone too, may be the whole VM ;/ 23:24:09 Yeah, but I don't know the exact incantation to start it. 23:24:19 Seems that way. 23:24:21 or is it just too slow? 23:24:41 Well, it's not answering my ssh in a reasonable time. 23:24:43 It might still answer. 23:24:52 I'm pretty away at the moment anyway. 23:25:34 it's not the whole CaC that's gone under though 23:32:05 -!- HackEgo has joined. 23:34:32 wisdom 23:34:41 ievan//ievan is basically http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4om1rQKPijI 23:38:41 <\oren\> hey that's not right! where's miku twirling a leek 23:40:59 he\\oren\! back to your backslashes? 23:49:08 -!- augur has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 23:49:30 -!- augur has joined. 23:52:29 -!- ^_^v has quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep). 23:57:41 -!- jaboja has joined.