< 1471996809 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well < 1471996821 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's WA's list of indeterminate forms < 1471996938 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :0^0, ∞/∞, 0∞, ∞-∞, 1^∞, and ∞^9 < 1471996941 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/9/0 < 1471996948 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/$/\// < 1471996995 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not 0/0 ? < 1471997004 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Oh, and 0/0 < 1471997016 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: That's the one I searched, and it provided a list of "other indeterminate forms" < 1471997024 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1471997025 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, no it didn't < 1471997031 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I searched 0^0 < 1471997035 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And just missed 0/0 < 1471997040 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it is my incompetence < 1471997088 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why's 1^infty indeterminate? < 1471997092 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :∞^(-∞) should also work, i think < 1471997096 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :0^0 = 1, 0/0 = tau/2, ∞/∞=1, 0∞ = 0, ∞-∞ = 0, 1^∞ = 1, and ∞^0 = 1 < 1471997099 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There < 1471997101 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was easy < 1471997113 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: Not really sure < 1471997126 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: why is 0^x = 0 except for x=0? < 1471997130 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: it means basically that when you have limits going to the parts, you cannot say anything about the limit of the whole < 1471997155 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i get that, but 1 is not a limit < 1471997156 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or hardly anything) < 1471997168 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: anything can be a limit < 1471997171 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: Because it's useful to have x^0=1 forall x, and x^0 is more important than 0^x, and THERE CAN ONLY BE ONE < 1471997193 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: no there cannot < 1471997193 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if x -> 1 and y -> ∞, you can say nothing about x^y. that's all. < 1471997194 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Can the limit be SPAAAAAAAAAAACE? < 1471997223 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: but i do can say something about 1^x for every x < 1471997234 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: 0^0 is either equal to 0 OR 1 OR undefined; you can't have x^0 = 1 and 0^x = 0 forall x < 1471997241 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: you seem not to get the point. < 1471997256 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: 1*1=1 < 1471997261 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :1*1*1=1 < 1471997262 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: that's why it is indeterminate < 1471997278 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: Yes, but having 0^0 = 1 adds nice things < 1471997310 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1471997322 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it does. < 1471997336 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's still indeterminate for calculus purposes. < 1471997387 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you have two real functions f x and g x that vanish at the origin and are analytic at 0, then (f x)^(g x) approaches 1 as x approaches 0 from the right < 1471997393 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, grade publish{d his 69th video < 1471997396 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really understand most of what I just said, but it sounds like a good thing < 1471997401 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: gradeAunderA? < 1471997407 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1471997409 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1471997414 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That guy's an asshole < 1471997421 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how so < 1471997427 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait, ∞^(-∞) doesn't work, scratch that, it's clearly -> 0. < 1471997428 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish I could give him more than one like per video < 1471997477 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: How does calculus work if you decide to use countable and uncountable infinities? < 1471997482 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it make mathematicians cry? < 1471997492 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, today was my second day of precalc (w/ trig) < 1471997501 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They taught Set-Builder notation, and I was happy < 1471997541 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But then, when she wanted "the set of all multiples of pi" and I gave {n | n in Z} < 1471997551 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :She said that that doesn't work ;-; < 1471997559 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]> If you have two real functions f x and g x that vanish at the origin and are analytic at 0, then (f x)^(g x) approaches 1 as x approaches 0 from the right <-- wat, i don't believe that. < 1471997561 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not < 1471997573 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because the form that the book wants is {x | x=n, n in Z} < 1471997577 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is stupid and ugly < 1471997612 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed it is < 1471997621 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any mathematician will tell you they're obviously equivalent, and that the notation is pretty standard, but that mine looks better < 1471997643 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I think she also had the whole numbers as 0,1,2,3... and the naturals as 1,2,3...) < 1471997647 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: the infinities in calculus have nothing to do with cardinalities, so that's just nonsense. < 1471997657 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Exactly, I figured that was the case < 1471997698 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And I think maybe she said that you write the irrationals with a blackboard bold I? I've never heard of that being the rule, and I think I saw a thread asking what to use and the answer was "choose whatever and define it at the top") < 1471997714 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: the alternative answer to your question is "lebesgue measure theory" hth < 1471997739 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but then it's not the values that are the infinities, but the sizes of sets) < 1471997744 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(there needs to be a name for the non-zero reals, the positive reals, the positive reals plus zero, the negative reals, and the negative reals plus zero...) < 1471997748 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and the integers minus 0) < 1471997769 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1471997778 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"whore houses are like disney land for guys. that is where wet dreams come true" < 1471997832 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Because the form that the book wants is {x | x=n, n in Z} <-- welcome to "lies to children", i think. < 1471997894 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1471997915 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: Whore houses are just New Orleans square, thankyouverymuch < 1471997923 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yep < 1471997928 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I mean, it's still valid < 1471997937 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A computer that could read set-builder notation would get the same answer < 1471997963 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It isn't even mathematically a "weird notation"- it's normal notation, it just is doing it the stupid way < 1471997976 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like the set {x | x in Z} < 1471997980 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could just say Z < 1471997996 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: the "do naturals include 0" question splits even professional mathematics, so don't complain _too_ much about hth < 1471998018 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in fact, I think she asked for the set {1, 2, 3...}- expecting it in set-builder- and I just said "N") < 1471998024 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Good? < 1471998062 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: The real issue is that one side has WITH zero as "whole numbers" and WITHOUT as "natural numbers", and the other side has WITH zero as "natural numbers" and WITHOUT zero as "whole numbers" < 1471998066 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm in the second camp) < 1471998090 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think she even said- like, specifically, writing it out- that the whole numbers (in this case with zero) are written with the double-struck W < 1471998126 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is presumably true, but nobody ever really does that in my experience and if you used it without defining it 15% of readers would have no idea what you're talking about < 1471998194 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm probably also going to get marked down for replacing variables like t or m- which are stupid variables that you don't use unless you've already used x, y, and z or you're specifically dealing with things like time- with x when there is no other x in this equation) < 1471998223 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1471998241 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1471998244 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*crash* < 1471998278 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think she also said that the irrationals are written I, but http://mathforum.org/library/drmath/view/61269.html claims that I is for the integers (but that Z is also reserved for them, and is more common) < 1471998285 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION pokes hppavilion[1] in the stability bits
< 1471998293 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: ? < 1471998297 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, ahoily < 1471998300 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you just join? < 1471998309 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavellon[1]. no, I was on the phone with the SO. < 1471998318 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1471998337 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: i'm not sure most professional mathematicians use "whole numbers" at all hth < 1471998342 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: I've been ranting about the common core (or about my precalc teacher, depending on whether the things she's saying are from the common core) < 1471998367 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is common core? < 1471998374 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yeah, but I think mathoverflow said that if the naturals include 0 and you want to refer to the numbers without 0, then you say "whole numbers" < 1471998376 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just use N^+ and N_0 twh < 1471998397 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(incidentally, the obvious translation of "whole number" into norwegian (heltall) means integer, period.) < 1471998406 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: That works, but I want to abbreviate it xD < 1471998415 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ...great < 1471998429 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: It's a unified standard in the US that is being used to try to fix our failing education system < 1471998435 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: because an extra small symbol takes too much space? < 1471998440 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*hele tall, unless you're composing words < 1471998444 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: No, because it clutters < 1471998458 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh? < 1471998483 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the general view, it's a rule that says what students need to know at the end of the year at minimum (each year has to teach this list of things if the student hasn't already leaned them: {...}) < 1471998524 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: Having an extra superscript + or subscript 0 makes it look like there's a set N, and that we're referring to a set derived from it < 1471998568 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: In the more specific case, common core takes a rather feeble and over-practicalized view of education, puts it in a too-strict form, and regiments teachers down to the minute < 1471998601 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So teachers can't slow down and spend an extra few days on something that this class has trouble with or skip over a section everybody already knows < 1471998606 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: well, we do < 1471998618 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: ? < 1471998643 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: For example, there's an image on the internet of a quiz filled out by a third grader or something < 1471998657 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :N^+ = { n | n in N, n > 0 } and N_0 = { 0 } cup N < 1471998665 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], from what i've heard common core is mostly a scapegoat < 1471998671 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :works for both definitions of N < 1471998674 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And there's a question asking the student to solve "5*3" using "the addition strategy" (which, presumably, is where you just add stuff up) < 1471998687 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the student did 5+5+5 = 15 < 1471998691 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the question was marked wrong < 1471998701 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :With the correct answer being "3+3+3+3+3 = 15" < 1471998706 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: See the problem? < 1471998718 0 :FireFly!~firefly@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh-huh, that's stupid < 1471998719 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1471998735 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but it turns out there's more to it than pictures that go around on facebook < 1471998736 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION attaches himself to his beloved Canada.
< 1471998744 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Yeah, probably < 1471998765 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course it's hyperbolic and probably apocryphal, but still. it's *juuuust* so believable... < 1471998770 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :coily < 1471998780 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: But seriously, even if the rest of the system turns kids into ripped supergeniuses, the fact that something like that happened under it is absurd < 1471998795 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :does fungot string together trigrams or longer or shorter? < 1471998796 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: mr president, in its wisdom, that decides whether the measures adopted to date with poultry cages and provide for the continuance of the current member states. < 1471998844 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: I don't think it's so much that the book said that doing 5+5+5 is wrong and 3+3+3+3+3 is right so much as it only listed 3+3+3+3+3, and the people in charge of grading the paper were mathematically illiterate and not qualified to be teaching math < 1471998865 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quinthellopia < 1471998867 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But no matter how well your curriculum tells teachers what to teach, if the teacher doesn't get it the class won't work < 1471998938 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean a big part of it is that american right-wingers need to feed their 'this country is going to the dogs and we need to go back to the good times' narrative < 1471998972 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :so blaming the common core for every problem in the education system is very attractive to them < 1471999013 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :the 5+5+5 vs. 3+3+3+3+3 thing stems from a reasonable didactic idea that is incredibly stupid when used in a standardised test < 1471999112 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : does fungot string together trigrams or longer or shorter? <-- variable length < 1471999113 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: draftsman of the opinion of an institution that has the power and working methods for cooperation in the fields of teaching and culture, to education and the media, which will be granted to the court of first instance. < 1471999138 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: random variable length? or adaptive? < 1471999190 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: IIRC it's a fixed length but the length depends on which ^style is set < 1471999197 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1471999235 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not the length that counts, it's how many styles fungot has. < 1471999236 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder what we'd get running it on the entire google 3-grams dataset. < 1471999236 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: mr president, of course, not represented here today for this big debate. perhaps just for once i will also be ready by that time the commission made its own contribution. my colleague, mr liikanen, mrs wallström, to issue instructions. i can illustrate the problem using the example of mr cox understanding what was agreed in cardiff and which now goes ahead in the union already have a staff of only some 30 officials who c < 1471999236 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc it's variable. adaptive presumably. < 1471999259 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie!!!!! < 1471999278 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^source < 1471999278 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/fis/fungot/blob/master/fungot.b98 < 1471999281 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1471999283 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^help < 1471999283 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ ; ^def ; ^show [command]; lang=bf/ul, code=text/str:N; ^str 0-9 get/set/add [text]; ^style [style]; ^bool < 1471999284 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think we need a "trump stump speeches" style < 1471999340 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"•Nonsense generation based on variable-length ngram models." < 1471999366 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :believe me. if fungot spoke like Trump, it would be yuuuge! No one else can make fungot sound better. i kid you not. < 1471999367 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: mr president, on the resources available under the fisheries agreement between the council and, of course, to be trying to find solutions other than allowing refugees to settle in any part of the negotiations. on the other the programme for community research and the possible insertion of a specific paragraph or chapter in order to do so, we have studied this report and its recognition that the community structures, < 1471999474 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=49630&oldid=49629 5* 03Darkrifts 5* (+181) 10 < 1471999481 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES! < 1471999482 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES! < 1471999486 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :GAWKER IS FINALLY DEAD! < 1471999490 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*WOOHOO* < 1471999525 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the best way to view this is: if you have a business model that involves picking on rich people who can afford to hire good lawyers, make very very sure you don't do anything illegal < 1471999552 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yep < 1471999591 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: If a judge orders you do do something, you do it. You don't publish an article saying "A judge ordered us to do this, but we're just going to ignore him" < 1471999601 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: huh? the whole gawker network thing? < 1471999631 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: The main blog has shut down (looks like the website will be staying up, at least for a little while, but there'll be no new content) < 1471999639 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Univision published various other properties < 1471999742 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1471999755 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf JOIN :#esoteric < 1471999811 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1472000895 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :another legitimate-looking edit caught in the filter, and no sign of attempting to follow the new procedure :( < 1472000974 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: people can't read? < 1472000976 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :otoh i've seen no legitimate _registrations_ yet, so it seems a bit early to declare it a total failure. < 1472001006 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: or they cannot be bothered. it requires registering ++, after all. < 1472001045 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well, i doubt it's much of a big loss. < 1472001048 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not something people do just for correcting a couple typos. < 1472001095 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: well it remains to be seen if _anyone_ bothers. < 1472001120 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, but if they try to do that and fail, won't their failed attempt be recorded and we can fix whatever they were trying to fix for them? < 1472001157 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: well sure, we could do that recent edit. int-e did one previously. (i'm not sure if it's actually correct, though.) < 1472001209 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this requires paying much more attention to the abuse filter log than i've previously done, anyhow. < 1472001224 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and i'm not promising to keep doing it.) < 1472001237 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :can anyone see it? < 1472001254 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://esolangs.org/wiki/Special:AbuseLog/6629 < 1472001293 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least int-e could, and he's not an admin. < 1472001450 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1472001525 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO < 1472001769 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like how "denier", traditionally a measure of the fineness of silk or rayon, is now more commonly used (and mispronounced) as "one who denies" < 1472001797 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like to imagine that holocaust denier is a way to measure the fineness of a holocaust < 1472002177 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: 'deni-er' versus 'dín(a|e)r' < 1472002277 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not familiar with this particular phonetic notation system < 1472002332 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess (a|e) is some way to represent æ as a more drawn-out diphthong? < 1472002365 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are you talking about mispronunciations < 1472002403 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless someone is saying de-nye-er about tights there are no mispronunciations involved < 1472002710 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: nope it is just that you could have eather a or e there < 1472002722 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :a bit like regexp notation < 1472002775 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: something similar happened in german to auspowern < 1472002781 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: i could have said "pronounced using a different modernly-invented pronunciation that mayn't even be standard yet" but that would be somewhat wordy < 1472002830 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zarutian: look at Phantom_Hoover's pronunciation guide. it makes a lot more sense than yours < 1472002908 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :auspowern used to come from the french pauvre and shifted towars the english power < 1472003936 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am back in YYZ finally! < 1472003947 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar cyyz < 1472003948 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYYZ 240000Z 22012KT 15SM SCT120 BKN250 25/14 A3020 RMK AC4CI1 SLP227 DENSITY ALT 1500FT < 1472003953 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :he\\oren\! < 1472003961 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: RIDGE CHICKEN < 1472003968 0 :Roxxik!b91df2b5@gateway/web/freenode/ip.185.29.242.181 JOIN :#esoteric < 1472003974 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :...oh i thought you meant the rush song < 1472004228 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oooh, here's a way to make your musical notation horrifying < 1472004237 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use a normal half note ("minim") < 1472004244 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And add a tail to the stem < 1472004336 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`8ball is my suspicion right? < 1472004337 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Better not tell you now. < 1472004341 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn. < 1472004352 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1472004442 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: That would probably be parsed as an unusual way of writing a quarter note. < 1472004455 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yeah, that's what I thought < 1472004467 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: But also include quarter notes so that people are unsure < 1472004483 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And maybe occasionally have notes with the flag on the other side, or mirror the note entirely < 1472004496 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :bindun < 1472004512 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(whole and half rests have a terrible notation) < 1472004516 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is QUIT :Quit: Zarutian < 1472004538 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a few other novelties you could use, such as the flagged longa. :) < 1472004593 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: no need to obfuscate. you should always strive to make your musical notation as clear and concise as possible. for instance, look how simple and readable that is: https://prestonparish.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/last.gif < 1472004634 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: The point of this is that it's obfuscated, to make the sheet music as intimidating and horrifying as possible < 1472004650 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe a whole note, but filled in like a quarter note's head < 1472004669 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: The further along that gets, the less valid and playable it gets. < 1472004705 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...does that music require that I take square roots? < 1472004708 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: that last note is wonderful < 1472004711 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :It starts looking like it's just written for robots or something, and goes all the way into nonsense. < 1472004711 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm seeing some square roots in there < 1472004741 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(since the "filled in head" isn't usually parsed as "make it half the length" the way a flag is due to filling in being non-repeatable, it'd take a bit to figure it out) < 1472004746 0 :Roxxik!b91df2b5@gateway/web/freenode/ip.185.29.242.181 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1472004750 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :as a former bass player, i can also identify strongly with the 437 measures of rest < 1472004758 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1472004769 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :As a former bass singer, I too identify with it. < 1472004771 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: How would a note with only half of the notehead filled in be parsed? >:) < 1472004783 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: A punch to the head. < 1472004797 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Of the composer, I should say. < 1472004800 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: We'll assume that I'm long dead because I wrote classical music < 1472004823 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :There will be debates in academia about how it was intended to be played for ages. < 1472004833 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Excellent, excellent < 1472004877 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'll forge a piece of classical music (attribute it to a false (but plausible) composer so it isn't too illegal) and fill it with stuff like this < 1472004901 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And a couple historical documents from other sources claiming it's "perhaps the most beautiful piece ever written" and such < 1472005047 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(hm, how does one write "a chord, but in which some of the notes in it are held for longer than others" in normal notation? I'm certain that there's a simple, generally-accepted way that has been used for centuries because it seems like a pretty simple thing, but I can't remember since it's been years since I picked up a piano) < 1472005088 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh man. botanicsage just mashed up bowsers castle theme from smw with interior crocodile alligator :D < 1472005198 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: Write two chords, one with and then one without the notes, and use a tie to connect them. < 1472005210 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Ah, yes < 1472005230 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(what is the interpretation if you have a chord in which some noteheads are filled and others aren't? Probably something similar) < 1472005246 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the filled noteheads end a beat before the unfilled ones, almost certainly) < 1472005252 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think that would be conventional, but that'd be the likely interpretation. < 1472005679 0 :Roxxik!b91df2b5@gateway/web/freenode/ip.185.29.242.181 JOIN :#esoteric < 1472005728 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1472005739 0 :incomprehensibly!sid3405@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-poaehyjqgpcfiauc PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: that would usually only be used when there are multiple distinguishable voices/parts (e.g. right-hand/left-hand) < 1472005752 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm... < 1472005760 0 :incomprehensibly!sid3405@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-poaehyjqgpcfiauc PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. if there is a chord played entirely by the left hand, multiple note values in the same chord would be obfuscatory, and so it would be done using ties < 1472005764 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :incomprehensibly: Nah, it's definitely possible < 1472005776 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, yes < 1472005776 0 :incomprehensibly!sid3405@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-poaehyjqgpcfiauc PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if there is a left hand chord and a right hand melody, it's ok to have totally different note values < 1472005788 0 :incomprehensibly!sid3405@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-poaehyjqgpcfiauc PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: oh it's certainly possible, just confusing to the player and so is generally avoided < 1472005873 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Question: Is it possible to make software that reliably plays relatively real-sounding music given a file that describes the music as a sort of electronic sheet music (probably some sort XML or JSON, but anything would work)? < 1472005926 0 :incomprehensibly!sid3405@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-poaehyjqgpcfiauc PRIVMSG #esoteric :you would probably want a MIDI file < 1472005928 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(probably designed for music composition so you don't have to, y'know, find an entire orchestra to play it at the drop of a hat to make sure it sounds right) < 1472005941 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :incomprehensibly: That's what I figure < 1472005943 0 :incomprehensibly!sid3405@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-poaehyjqgpcfiauc PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's software of varying qualities < 1472005954 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :incomprehensibly: But I seem to remember MIDI not being exactly what I was going for < 1472005958 0 :incomprehensibly!sid3405@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-poaehyjqgpcfiauc PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can get something like Kontakt < 1472005975 0 :incomprehensibly!sid3405@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-poaehyjqgpcfiauc PRIVMSG #esoteric :which has pretty high quality sample libraries for various real pianos < 1472005989 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep, looks about right < 1472005993 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK... < 1472006006 0 :incomprehensibly!sid3405@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-poaehyjqgpcfiauc PRIVMSG #esoteric :but "real-sounding" would require stuff like dynamics, interpretation, performance, which would not be contained in the sheet music and kind of depends on a human being there either to record the performance or to tweak all the notes < 1472006017 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, of course < 1472006033 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And are there any editors that use either something that looks approximately like real musical notation (WYSIWYGily) or a relatively easy DSL? < 1472006039 0 :incomprehensibly!sid3405@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-poaehyjqgpcfiauc PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you COULD write a program to fake all that stuff in a way that a good pianist would be able to tell was nonsense but could probably trick most people < 1472006042 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That generate MIDI < 1472006047 0 :incomprehensibly!sid3405@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-poaehyjqgpcfiauc PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm! sibelius and finale < 1472006048 0 :incomprehensibly!sid3405@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-poaehyjqgpcfiauc PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think < 1472006049 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, yes, of course < 1472006102 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :incomprehensibly: LilyPond is what sent me on this track, and it's been compared to Sibelius and Finale as being about the same, but LilyPond, AFAICT, doesn't play the music; just makes the sheet out of LaTeX < 1472006402 0 :Roxxik!b91df2b5@gateway/web/freenode/ip.185.29.242.181 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1472006421 0 :incomprehensibly!sid3405@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-poaehyjqgpcfiauc PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah! cool < 1472006479 0 :Roxxik!b91df2b5@gateway/web/freenode/ip.185.29.242.181 JOIN :#esoteric < 1472006508 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :incomprehensibly: Also, LilyPond is FOSS < 1472006528 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It looks like LilyPond is extensible, so someone is bound to have made a synthesizer by now) < 1472006543 0 :incomprehensibly!sid3405@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-poaehyjqgpcfiauc PRIVMSG #esoteric :neat < 1472006558 0 :incomprehensibly!sid3405@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-poaehyjqgpcfiauc PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah it can generate midi! < 1472006578 0 :incomprehensibly!sid3405@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-poaehyjqgpcfiauc PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not take it I don't think... < 1472006819 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1472006942 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :incomprehensibly: I don't need it to accept MIDI < 1472006946 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :incomprehensibly: Also, LilyPond can? < 1472006957 0 :incomprehensibly!sid3405@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-poaehyjqgpcfiauc PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: yeah says in the documentation < 1472007684 0 :AlexR42!~textual@94.41.141.175 JOIN :#esoteric < 1472007781 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@vps.jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1472008310 0 :Roxxik!b91df2b5@gateway/web/freenode/ip.185.29.242.181 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1472008825 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1472009396 0 :AlexR42!~textual@94.41.141.175 QUIT :Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1472009952 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1472011387 0 :augur!~augur@76-218-206-38.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1472012229 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :AmigaMML is another program you can write music with, although it cannot output MIDI files. You can include dynamics and other stuff though, and does not require Amiga computer to be use < 1472012281 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that XML is pretty bad for stuff that isn't markup-text < 1472016275 0 :Caesura!~Aedile@cpe-75-187-129-201.neo.res.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1472018975 0 :carado!~carado@37.174.222.23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1472021430 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1472021745 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...huh < 1472021753 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :New idea for irony punctuation: Escaping < 1472021779 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Where could you have possibly gotten that idea?": Normal; "Where could you have possibly gotten that idea\?": Sarcastic < 1472022266 0 :carado!~carado@37.174.222.23 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1472022280 0 :carado!~carado@37.174.222.23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1472023578 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostrophe_Protection_Society is funny < 1472023608 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It is not clear in what sense the APS is a society, or how many members it has (if any), or from where it claims authority for its views. John Richards has never published a constitution, a list of members, or the criteria (if any) for membership. It is not known in what sense he is the chairman, how he was elected or appointed, or how he might be removed." < 1472023821 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1472024300 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugh, inanimate whose is one of the little holes in English that, once you notice it, you can't close it < 1472024315 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some people use "of which", but others (including me) think it sounds overly formal < 1472024324 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I generally use something sort of like "which's" < 1472024347 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but not quite; there's no glottal stop so it's more like... "whichs" < 1472024371 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :``huh'' < 1472024372 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: `huh'': not found < 1472024381 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo, grow up < 1472024436 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1472024450 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So what does #esoteric think about the inanimate whose? < 1472024844 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay! < 1472024862 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just reverted a vandalized Wikipedia page to an unvandalized revision! < 1472025483 0 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-imqzrkgopjgjofyz QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1472025866 0 :carado!~carado@37.174.222.23 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1472025889 0 :carado!~carado@37.174.222.23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1472026020 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.190.253.145 JOIN :#esoteric < 1472026027 0 :heroux!~heroux@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-zmatrgsrkjuskytt JOIN :#esoteric < 1472027768 0 :AlexR42!~textual@94.41.141.175 JOIN :#esoteric < 1472027784 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell ais523 Some of the styles have a fixed length, but the majority are based on variable-length models trained with https://github.com/vsiivola/variKN < 1472027784 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1472027791 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: As above. ^ < 1472028256 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :what happened to gmane? < 1472028339 0 :Tefaj!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1472028364 0 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw1-54fa3f-129.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1472028474 0 :heroux!~heroux@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-zmatrgsrkjuskytt QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1472028511 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1472028935 0 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-tyynixguljkdexpf JOIN :#esoteric < 1472029264 0 :AlexR42!~textual@94.41.141.175 QUIT :Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1472029375 0 :AlexR42!~textual@94.41.141.175 JOIN :#esoteric < 1472029471 0 :carado!~carado@37.174.222.23 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1472029499 0 :carado!~carado@37.174.222.23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1472029825 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], I tend to anthropomorphise inanimate objects to some extent anyway, inanimate whose doesn't bug me at all < 1472029992 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1472030433 0 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-tyynixguljkdexpf QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1472030454 0 :carado!~carado@37.174.222.23 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1472030914 0 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-yztfjkipbnklsfmt JOIN :#esoteric < 1472030936 0 :AlexR42!~textual@94.41.141.175 QUIT :Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1472031088 0 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw1-54fa3f-129.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1472031541 0 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-yztfjkipbnklsfmt QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1472031808 0 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-nfnwgyujzbogfiwr JOIN :#esoteric < 1472032016 0 :Tefaj!?@? NICK :Jafet < 1472035987 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.190.253.145 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1472036055 0 :augur!~augur@76-218-206-38.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1472036755 0 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tegxfaacgefisqgp PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Don't anthropomorphise ____, they *hate* that!" < 1472037903 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :zgrep: don't you hate being anthropomorphised?' < 1472037921 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( "look at zgrep, he looks almost human!" ) < 1472037931 0 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tegxfaacgefisqgp PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION beeps
< 1472037979 0 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tegxfaacgefisqgp PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's so annoying being mistaken for something that has human qualities. < 1472038047 0 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tegxfaacgefisqgp PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is such a tool, found in every computer, essentially being gzip -d | grep
< 1472038076 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( zcat | grep ) < 1472038083 0 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tegxfaacgefisqgp PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeppers. < 1472038085 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :. z Z meeeeow < 1472038111 0 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tegxfaacgefisqgp PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION . o O ( I wonder why int-e doesn't use a CTCP action. )
< 1472038132 0 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tegxfaacgefisqgp PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION . o O ( . o O ( . o O ( ... ) ) )
< 1472038138 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :zless is perhaps the program in that family that I use most often. < 1472038144 0 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tegxfaacgefisqgp PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cogito ergo cogito. < 1472038171 0 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tegxfaacgefisqgp PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION doesn't actually use any of the z* commands... ._.
< 1472038179 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :zgrep: because in the context where I developed the habit (some MUD), the output would've looked like this: [int-e . o O ( foo )] < 1472038188 0 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tegxfaacgefisqgp PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1472038189 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's not an alias. < 1472038224 0 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tegxfaacgefisqgp PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION . o O ( Programs with aliases, they're hiding from someone, they must be criminals! )
< 1472038231 0 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tegxfaacgefisqgp PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION . o O ( Or spies! )
< 1472038235 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes! < 1472038339 0 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tegxfaacgefisqgp PRIVMSG #esoteric :`speedtest < 1472038340 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: speedtest: not found < 1472038344 0 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tegxfaacgefisqgp PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, fast. < 1472038362 0 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tegxfaacgefisqgp PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo has sped up? < 1472038424 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1472038488 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1472038490 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :applicative functor//Applicative functors are just monoids in the category of endofunctors. < 1472038502 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently < 1472038522 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1 < 1472038525 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1 < 1472038535 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@botsnack < 1472038536 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1472038613 0 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tegxfaacgefisqgp PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell zgrep Hello. < 1472038613 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can tell yourself! < 1472038618 0 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tegxfaacgefisqgp PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I can't! < 1472038649 0 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tegxfaacgefisqgp PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell lambdabot Hello. < 1472038650 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice try ;) < 1472038654 0 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tegxfaacgefisqgp PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. < 1472038664 0 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tegxfaacgefisqgp PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell thispersondoesnotexistyet Hello. < 1472038664 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1472038868 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-ello, zgrellop. < 1472038895 0 :AlexR42!~textual@94.41.141.175 JOIN :#esoteric < 1472038913 0 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tegxfaacgefisqgp PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION boils boily as a greeting
< 1472038996 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome AlexR42 < 1472038998 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​07AlexR42: 08Welcome 09to 02the 06international 13hub 04for 07esoteric 08programming 09language 02design 06and 13deployment! 04For 07more 08information, 09check 02out 06our 13wiki: 04. 07(For 08the 09other 02kind 06of 13esoterica, 04try 07#esoteric 08on 09EFnet 02or 06DALnet.) < 1472039098 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.190.253.145 JOIN :#esoteric < 1472039788 0 :AlexR42!~textual@94.41.141.175 QUIT :Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com < 1472040144 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm reading the scrollback again, about crazy sheets of five-line musical staff notation maybe parodies or maybe obfuscated stuff at https://prestonparish.wordpress.com/2009/11/27/viral-sheet-music-the-creative-notation-of-john-stump-and-others/ < 1472040373 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and about fungot) < 1472041597 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: FUNGOOOOOOOOOOOOÔOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT! < 1472041948 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: CARVEN CHICKEN < 1472044357 0 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@194.108.5.201 JOIN :#esoteric < 1472046739 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1472046935 0 :Reece`!~Ner@cpc4-wiga13-2-0-cust799.18-3.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1472047495 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1472047827 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1472047885 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1472048067 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1472048613 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1472049116 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :the CC0 license is surprisingly bloated < 1472049122 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/legalcode < 1472049369 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1472050050 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: it's not so surprising when you think about how it's trying to work in jurisdictions whose laws are actively hostile to the idea of relinquishing author rights. < 1472051391 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, "hostile" < 1472051441 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds so negative, but it is oddly approproate. < 1472051813 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell hppavilion[1] Ugh, inanimate whose is one of the little holes in English that, once you notice it, you can't close it <-- wiktionary says _formerly proscribed_ < 1472051814 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1472051956 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION notes that the corresponding norwegian pronoun is archaic. no idea if it was proscribed for inanimates.
< 1472053337 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: which pronoun, "min"? < 1472053875 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have no idea how one would generate nonsense from a variable length language model. how do you know how far back to read? < 1472053971 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: "hvis" < 1472053992 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might not be _entirely_ archaic, but definitely excessively formal. < 1472054027 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hvis is an inanimate relative possessive pronoun? < 1472054041 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1472054050 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: i'm pretty sure those variable length models involved PhDs hth < 1472054084 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: really? < 1472054110 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok it's a pretty sure hunch < 1472054111 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i still feel like i should be able to understand it < 1472054118 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :NERD < 1472054145 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*+hth < 1472054169 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: i assume there's a cutoff formula or algorithm. < 1472054281 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't oerjan an expert in knowing how far back to read? < 1472054405 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1472054526 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1472054633 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: As far back as you have matching context in the model, with a probability based on the backoff weight of using a shorter context sometimes. < 1472054728 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: how does the model generator decide what length contexts to include? < 1472054766 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: https://sites.google.com/site/vesassiivola/publications/TASLP2007.pdf < 1472054921 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :told you there was a PhD. < 1472054988 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, there's a more approachable overview in chapter 3 of https://sites.google.com/site/vesassiivola/publications/is2007less.pdf < 1472055155 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah that paper goves me a decent idea even if i dont know what kneser-ney smoothing is. pretty clever. < 1472055171 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( tool assisted speed linguistic programming ) < 1472055191 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you may be reading a tad too fast < 1472055204 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: you're assuming i'm actually reading? < 1472055209 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes! < 1472055229 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it's something that empirically, you are often doing < 1472055236 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shocking < 1472055260 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'm often making assumptions < 1472055267 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you sure? < 1472055272 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so nobody should be surprised. < 1472055295 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :you cant be sure oerjan isnt just skimming, reading only a word here or there and making up the parts in between < 1472055296 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I'm sure, can you provide evidence to the contrary? < 1472055341 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( is_mega_non_overlapping ) < 1472055351 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: in fact the only part of that link i read was the picture captions at the end, and only to check i wasn't lying hth < 1472055383 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i checked afterwards, of course) < 1472055573 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: i'm sure TASPL would be a thing if fizzie and ais523 would just cooperate on it. < 1472055683 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*LP < 1472055761 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fun fact I learned the other day: Subversion respects an environment variable called SVN_I_LOVE_CORRUPTED_WORKING_COPIES_SO_DISABLE_SLEEP_FOR_TIMESTAMPS, which you can set to "yes" to disable a wait it does in many places to ensure filesystem timestamps have changed. < 1472055806 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds helpful. < 1472055820 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1472055821 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :california//California is pronounced "Caliphate-ornery-I-A" < 1472055827 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow it _is_ fast < 1472055863 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: that's amazing < 1472055925 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently it's something the test suite uses to make the tests not take so long. < 1472056076 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's three other similarly named knobs; SVN_I_LOVE_CORRUPTED_WORKING_COPIES_SO_DISABLE_RELOCATE_VALIDATION, SVN_I_LIKE_LATENCY_SO_IGNORE_HTTPV2 and SVN_I_LOVE_PANGALACTIC_GARGLE_BLASTERS. < 1472056144 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(If the last one is set and the file revision number is 42, it prints a humorous message as part of the commit message.) < 1472056255 0 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-088-066-188-188.088.066.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1472056909 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, svn uses HTTP? < 1472056922 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why not FTP? < 1472057017 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it can use http or use its own protocol < 1472057686 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :by the way, they are apparently making progress toward shutting down the quickbooks dude < 1472057790 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@meszages-louh < 1472057791 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't have any messages < 1472057810 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar cyyz < 1472057810 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYYZ 241500Z 18007KT 140V200 15SM FEW030 BKN250 25/17 A3016 RMK CU2CI3 SLP212 DENSITY ALT 1600FT < 1472058087 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: the quickbooks dudes seem to have stopped attacking our wiki for now, at least. < 1472058129 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the new filter is catching several other kinds of spam, though.) < 1472058143 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I mean that the telephone company is shutting down their fraudulent help line < 1472058152 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i figured < 1472058172 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i assume they would have no reason to spam a phone number that isn't working. < 1472058185 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1472058332 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.190.253.145 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1472058394 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1472058661 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Later < 1472059052 0 :Akaibu!uid118096@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tgieoedzxgzsxbsa QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1472061036 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1472061483 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1472061660 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1472061889 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1472062895 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-66.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1472062945 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-66.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? wegian < 1472062946 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wegian? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1472062950 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-66.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? wegians < 1472062951 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wegians? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1472062963 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-66.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :@massages-lud < 1472062963 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan said 3h 5m 49s ago: Ugh, inanimate whose is one of the little holes in English that, once you notice it, you can't close it <-- wiktionary says _formerly proscribed_ < 1472063129 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? nandwegian < 1472063130 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nandwegian? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1472063298 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of my friends has been trying to get an FTP server to connect to irc < 1472063491 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: via getting it to upload a file to Freenode that has IRC-like lines at the start? < 1472063510 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC many IRC servers have been modified to close the connection if they see anything that looks like it's part of the wrong protocol < 1472063515 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure of the specifics < 1472063546 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :He could set a nick but freenode makes you wait until a 001 before you can join a channel < 1472063547 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :due to things like the web-based worm we had a while back (basically it posted links to a web page, and if you visited that web page, you'd spam the link into other channels because it convinced your browser to connect to an IRC server) < 1472063576 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds like another sort of fix to the same problem < 1472063984 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1472064214 0 :zemhill__!bfjoust@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :david_werecat.neutrino: points -4.74, score 26.58, rank 2/47 < 1472064239 0 :lynn!sid154965@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-pqykwtkqrnnqqnvv PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode < 1472064240 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+0020 SPACE] [U+0020 SPACE] < 1472064269 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, is someone jousting beind our back? :-D < 1472064527 0 :zemhill__!bfjoust@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :david_werecat.neutrino: points -4.57, score 26.68, rank 2/47 (--) < 1472064567 0 :MoALTz!~no@78-11-183-124.static.ip.netia.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1472064658 0 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1472064691 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1472065148 0 :augur!~augur@2602:304:cdac:e260:5591:b8b:c2f3:112c JOIN :#esoteric < 1472065153 0 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1472065213 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1472065216 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :warning: '&&' within '||' < 1472065265 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not warning: '*' within '+' < 1472065287 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :warning: '-' within '==' < 1472065379 0 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1472065413 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-66.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where did the wegian wisdom go? < 1472065419 0 :augur!~augur@2602:304:cdac:e260:5591:b8b:c2f3:112c QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1472065461 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? wegian < 1472065462 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wegian? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1472065466 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? norwegian < 1472065467 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :norwegian? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1472065470 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? norway < 1472065470 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Norway is the suburb capital of Sweden. It's where the Nobel Peace Prize is announced. < 1472065486 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-66.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ifthenwegian? < 1472065501 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? warning < 1472065501 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :warning? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1472065531 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-66.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` grep wegian wisdom/* < 1472065537 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :grep: wisdom/¯\_(ツ)_: Is a directory \ grep: wisdom/icbm: Is a directory \ grep: wisdom/le: Is a directory \ grep: wisdom/¯\(°_o): Is a directory \ grep: wisdom/¯\(°​_o): Is a directory \ wisdom/fternooner:fternooner (Danish »fternooner«, Norwegian «ttermiddag», Swedish ”ftermiddag”) is a screamingly delicious pastry. \ wisdom/gasp < 1472065553 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-66.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :...dammit < 1472065566 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-66.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` grep wegian -r wisdom < 1472065567 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom/gaspasjo:gaspasjo is a norwegian soup, which died out due to a lack of hot summer days \ wisdom/fternooner:fternooner (Danish »fternooner«, Norwegian «ttermiddag», Swedish ”ftermiddag”) is a screamingly delicious pastry. \ wisdom/møøse:Møøse is Norwegian for moss. \ wisdom/lexer:lexer is a maximally Norwegian painter. Its squares < 1472065590 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-66.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` grep wegian -r wisdom > temp/wegians < 1472065590 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/bin/`: line 4: temp/wegians: No such file or directory < 1472065599 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-66.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` grep wegian -r wisdom > shr/wegians < 1472065599 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/bin/`: line 4: shr/wegians: No such file or directory < 1472065603 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-66.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls < 1472065604 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :advice \ bin \ canary \ candide \ cdescs \ emoticons \ esobible \ etc \ evil \ factor \ good \ hw \ ibin \ interps \ karma \ le \ lib \ ls \ misle \ out \ paste \ ply-3.8 \ ps \ quines \ quotes \ share \ src \ test \ theorems \ tmflry \ tmp \ wisdom \ wisdom.pdf < 1472065606 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Warnings indicate whn you are doing something dangerous, like using operator precedence. < 1472065608 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'warning': Warnings indicate whn you are doing something dangerous, like using operator precedence. < 1472065618 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Warnings indicate when you are doing something dangerous, like using operator precedence. < 1472065618 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-66.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` grep wegian -r wisdom > tmp/wegians < 1472065620 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1472065622 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Relearned 'warning': Warnings indicate when you are doing something dangerous, like using operator precedence. < 1472065630 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-66.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`url tmp/wegians < 1472065630 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :File is outside web-viewable filesystem repository. < 1472065643 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-66.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Crap... < 1472065646 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-66.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`url < 1472065647 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/ < 1472065651 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: use paste < 1472065657 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-66.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: ty < 1472065672 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-66.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` grep wegian -r wisdom | paste < 1472065676 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/paste/paste.2574 < 1472065754 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-66.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn A wegian is an equivalence class of #esoteric regulars. There are two main wegians, the Nor (from Finland) and the Glas (from Hexham). < 1472065756 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'wegian': A wegian is an equivalence class of #esoteric regulars. There are two main wegians, the Nor (from Finland) and the Glas (from Hexham). < 1472065788 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-66.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: -_- < 1472065794 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Soletur1970 5* 10New user account < 1472065909 0 :zemhill__!bfjoust@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :david_werecat.neutrino: points 0.67, score 32.21, rank 2/47 (--) < 1472065910 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/block14]]4 block10 02 5* 03Ais523 5* 10blocked [[02User:Soletur197010]] with an expiry time of 2 decades, 4 years, 4 hours, 19 minutes and 12 seconds (account creation disabled): Quickbooks spammer < 1472065970 0 :Roxxik!b91df2b5@gateway/web/freenode/ip.185.29.242.181 JOIN :#esoteric < 1472065994 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome Roxxik < 1472065995 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​09Roxxik: 02Welcome 06to 13the 04international 07hub 08for 09esoteric 02programming 06language 13design 04and 07deployment! 08For 09more 02information, 06check 13out 04our 07wiki: 08. 09(For 02the 06other 13kind 04of 07esoterica, 08try 09#esoteric 02on 06EFnet 13or 04DALnet.) < 1472066196 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-66.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just discovered Google News < 1472066202 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-66.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do I tell it to never give me Fox? < 1472066239 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-66.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1472066241 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-66.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's impossible < 1472066243 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-66.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :-_- < 1472066279 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: try using a custom adblock to remove the links < 1472066463 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also recommend removing the wall street journal (paywall), breitbart and the new york observer (propaganda), vox and the huffington post (propaganda), < 1472066465 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-66.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, wait, no it isn't < 1472066467 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-66.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's possible now < 1472066493 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-66.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1472066530 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-66.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, you can adjust frequencies < 1472066534 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-66.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you can't block Fox entirely < 1472066539 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-66.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just set it to "rarely" < 1472066565 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well I usually read < 1472066578 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothin < 1472066579 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-66.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: What are the good news sources? < 1472066596 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: At this point, twitter and reddit, probably < 1472066620 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-66.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :...yeah, probably < 1472066628 0 :Roxxik!b91df2b5@gateway/web/freenode/ip.185.29.242.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hackernews? < 1472066632 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-66.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reddit: The only news site where you can block bullshit < 1472066668 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-66.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I'll add the BBC < 1472066721 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh I also read the Register < 1472066740 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's only tech news < 1472066763 0 :bojidar_bg!~bojidar_b@46-10-78-58.ip.btc-net.bg JOIN :#esoteric < 1472066830 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-66.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, got to block the Christian Science Monitor < 1472066874 0 :bojidar_bg!~bojidar_b@46-10-78-58.ip.btc-net.bg PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just read http://esolangs.org/wiki/Feather -- I think this is (easy, really easily) "doable" in JavaScript via Object.create and prototypes. Basically, in JS each Object has a prototype, and if it lacks a property, it would lookup the prototype. (Or am I missing something?) < 1472066914 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-66.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, North Korea launched an ICBM < 1472066920 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-66.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Landed in the Sea of Japan < 1472067022 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-66.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Italy had an earthquake with at least 120 dead < 1472067197 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A4BF3B.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1472068161 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-66.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1472068200 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-66.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1472068744 0 :zemhill__!bfjoust@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :david_werecat.neutrino: points 5.79, score 37.75, rank 2/47 (--) < 1472068757 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :lel < 1472068768 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :welcome back david catt < 1472068852 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :beating kiseki is now the easiest way to get to the top of the chart < 1472068934 0 :Roxxik!b91df2b5@gateway/web/freenode/ip.185.29.242.181 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1472069323 0 :david_werecat!~chatzilla@KNTAON1614W-LP130-03-2925463412.dsl.bell.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1472069367 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice job < 1472069407 0 :david_werecat!~chatzilla@KNTAON1614W-LP130-03-2925463412.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks, although I'm not sure how much of that score is because of kiseki... < 1472069449 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost all of it < 1472069461 0 :bojidar_bg!~bojidar_b@46-10-78-58.ip.btc-net.bg PART #esoteric :"Uh!" < 1472069543 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if lymia is feeling flippant, they can just rerun the program with neutrino included and get back the same score they had to begin with < 1472069667 0 :david_werecat!~chatzilla@KNTAON1614W-LP130-03-2925463412.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :True. < 1472069713 0 :david_werecat!~chatzilla@KNTAON1614W-LP130-03-2925463412.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Before kiseki it had been a while since a program beat every other program. The last time I remember that happening was a couple of years ago. < 1472069777 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :space_hotel did once, but not on every tape length and polarity < 1472069793 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, i think you have now qualified as the new deewiant. < 1472069807 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Deadfish14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=49631&oldid=49163 5* 03Mychal 5* (+413) 10Added Io implementation < 1472069974 0 :david_werecat!~chatzilla@KNTAON1614W-LP130-03-2925463412.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Due to relatively small programs? < 1472070157 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-66.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1472070870 0 :david_werecat!~chatzilla@KNTAON1614W-LP130-03-2925463412.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :!ztest beatskiseki (>[+]+)*-1 < 1472070870 0 :zemhill__!bfjoust@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :david_werecat.beatskiseki: points -19.69, score 10.75, rank 28/47 < 1472070938 0 :david_werecat!~chatzilla@KNTAON1614W-LP130-03-2925463412.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :woops < 1472070945 0 :david_werecat!~chatzilla@KNTAON1614W-LP130-03-2925463412.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :!ztest beatskiseki >+(>[+])*-1 < 1472070946 0 :zemhill__!bfjoust@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :david_werecat.beatskiseki: points -17.19, score 16.50, rank 13/47 < 1472071337 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1472072523 0 :Reece`!~Ner@cpc4-wiga13-2-0-cust799.18-3.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Quit: Alsithyafturttararfunar < 1472072610 0 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@194.108.5.201 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1472072927 0 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@82.144.205.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1472073040 0 :Caesura!~Aedile@cpe-75-187-129-201.neo.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1472073391 0 :MDude!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com) < 1472073528 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@2a00:f41:38e6:4720:de85:deff:fe55:967a JOIN :#esoteric < 1472073534 0 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@194.108.5.201 JOIN :#esoteric < 1472073712 0 :david_werecat!~chatzilla@KNTAON1614W-LP130-03-2925463412.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :!ztest neutrino >(+)*15(>--)*3(>[>>>((>[-[++[(+)*6[-][+]+>+{}]]]+)%-1)*-1])*16(>[(-)*14[+][-]])*8>(-)*127([[-][+]])*-1 < 1472073712 0 :zemhill__!bfjoust@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :david_werecat.neutrino: points 2.43, score 30.72, rank 2/47 (--) < 1472073804 0 :david_werecat!~chatzilla@KNTAON1614W-LP130-03-2925463412.dsl.bell.ca PART #esoteric : < 1472074184 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@2a00:f41:38e6:4720:de85:deff:fe55:967a QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1472074953 0 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@82.144.205.57 QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1472075331 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: Yeah, I have a feeling BF Joust activity is too sporadic for the monthly code-secret-until-over competition idea to work super well. < 1472075444 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 JOIN :#esoteric < 1472075541 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"IIRC many IRC servers have been modified to close the connection if they see anything that looks like it's part of the wrong protocol" => yes, but more importantly, many irc servers (but not the one on freenode) require you to pong a ping whose body has a random string before you can do anything, to stop blind attacks that don't read what the serv < 1472075541 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :er says. < 1472075664 0 :MoALTz!~no@78-11-183-124.static.ip.netia.com.pl QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1472076862 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1472077387 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf JOIN :#esoteric < 1472077481 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1472078137 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1472078210 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf JOIN :#esoteric < 1472079278 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A4BF3B.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in < 1472079863 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1472080851 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1472080961 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION pokes \oren\ in the Torontonian bits
< 1472081060 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :coily! < 1472081094 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :why did rush name a song after an aeroport? < 1472081103 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia! because YYZ! < 1472081119 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( why yyz, au fait? ) < 1472081134 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops. < 1472081137 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :QUINTHELLOPIA! < 1472081193 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do? < 1472081225 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thinking about eating. < 1472081232 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( I should be eating. ) < 1472081273 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1472081283 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :you never chat while you eat < 1472081295 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :why bother logging on? < 1472081387 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm always logged on < 1472081394 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :essentially. < 1472081404 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like seeing what's happening :) < 1472081461 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :david_werecat uploaded some new entries. thats all. < 1472081519 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1472081522 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the happening doesn't happen much, eh? < 1472081527 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar KATL < 1472081528 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :KATL 242152Z 14003KT 10SM FEW008 SCT110 BKN200 BKN250 26/23 A3022 RMK AO2 SLP223 T02560228 $ < 1472081531 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar CYUL < 1472081531 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYUL 242200Z 22009G21KT 30SM FEW180 SCT240 28/18 A3003 RMK AC1CI3 SLP171 DENSITY ALT 1500FT < 1472081548 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1472081551 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was cloudy < 1472081587 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1472081608 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :a bit rainy maybe also < 1472081608 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, Call of CYUL < 1472081636 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I keep thinking that) < 1472081638 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar LOWI < 1472081639 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOWI 242220Z AUTO 24003KT 210V270 9999 NCD 17/14 Q1024 < 1472081758 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-ello. call of cyul? < 1472081805 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nofroily. hintopia. < 1472081816 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYUL is always swimming but it always swims Left < 1472081874 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar CYYB < 1472081874 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYYB 242200Z 17006KT 15SM -SHRA SCT044 OVC060 21/17 A2995 RMK SC3SC5 CVCTV CLD EMBD SLP142 DENSITY ALT 2200FT < 1472081901 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is there never much temperature difference between here and north bay < 1472081924 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :north bay is like 7 hours driving north from here < 1472081936 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar CYYZ < 1472081937 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYYZ 242200Z 20012G18KT 15SM FEW130 SCT150 BKN220 29/14 A3001 RMK AC1AC2CI3 SLP163 DENSITY ALT 2100FT < 1472081970 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh great today it's actually colder in Toronto. I don't understand waether < 1472082028 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the whole of Ontario can be reduced to a single point hth < 1472082040 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :waether < 1472082051 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :wa(e)t(h)er < 1472082175 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dOnt undRstand weTR < 1472082200 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or should that be weDR < 1472082215 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :probly < 1472082328 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ｳｴｻﾞｰ < 1472082336 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: how do you spell "core" < 1472082366 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cor < 1472082383 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar KOAK < 1472082384 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :KOAK 242153Z 29012KT 10SM FEW010 20/13 A3004 RMK AO2 SLP173 T02000128 < 1472082393 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar ENVA < 1472082393 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :ENVA 242220Z 13006KT 9999 VCSH SCT045 BKN065 12/12 Q1017 RMK WIND 670FT 17007KT < 1472082409 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :autumn is a-coming < 1472082436 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :otM iz a cumiG < 1472082477 0 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1472082520 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :theoretically, one could mark letters with thingies on top of them but I don't knwo how to type those thingies < 1472082521 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1472082539 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so my proposal uses capital letters, klingon-style < 1472082587 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*tlhIngan < 1472082619 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1472082627 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know what? < 1472082640 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sick of confusion around square root < 1472082658 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :From now on, there is no such thing as "the square root" of a number (or really any nth root) < 1472082671 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are only numbers which are "a square root" of it < 1472082719 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : `` grep wegian -r wisdom > temp/wegians <-- we have | paste for this hth < 1472082729 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you just want the principle root, you have to specify that, but you also have to define what differentiates between a principle and nonprinciple root < 1472082734 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I was told < 1472082739 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: And I did < 1472082744 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY < 1472082753 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: \oren\ told me < 1472082776 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: "the square root" is positive by definition hth < 1472082787 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: sqrt(-1) < 1472082799 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i is "the" square root of -1 < 1472082807 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sigh* < 1472082817 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: itym principal hth < 1472082825 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: ityr < 1472082861 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the principal of the thing. < 1472082901 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(In my Algebra II class last year, when finding the zeros of a quadratic we used any root, but she also said that the equation y = sqrt(x) is a function because only the positive part of the results are true; though, to be fair, we did at least use ± on the former) < 1472082980 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :traditionally the principal root is the one with smallest argument < 1472083012 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: smallest argument? < 1472083038 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, is that mathspeak or just "the one that the least people complain about"? < 1472083057 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mathspeak hth < 1472083072 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the angle of a complex number, in radians < 1472083083 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1472083111 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Maybe we should require that new users make themselves a userpage, and that an administrator read it and think "yeah, looks pretty legit" before approving them < 1472083139 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: that doesn't work because there's been a lot of spammers that _do_ make their own userpages < 1472083145 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(auto-approval happens after a week or so, admins can disapprove before then) < 1472083169 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably because other wikis have such a policy, or something. < 1472083179 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: They'll probably look pretty formulaic and 2^n-assed (for natural n >=2)