00:15:13 I have designed this Magic: the Gathering card (with a bit of suggestions to help): {-} Conspiracy ;; Creature spells you cast cost an additional {1} to cast. ;; Whenever you cast a creature spell, you gain 1 life. ;; Whenever a nontoken creature you own dies, target opponent loses 1 life. 00:17:47 That doesn't seem like a very good card. 00:20:20 -!- Melvar has joined. 00:21:50 What if it is added, that it give you a token that you can tap for one mana that is spend only for noncreature spells, and only if you control a creature? 00:35:36 -!- idris-bot has joined. 00:38:44 <\oren\> Who knew that just 3 armored divisions from the USSR, under a relatively green commander, could turn the tide of the Spanish Civil War? 00:40:24 <\oren\> Well, I suppose it helps that the other side has no tanks at all 00:54:59 \oren\: i sense a bright red future 01:05:34 *sigh* asus smart gestures driver has changed its menu so that you _cannot_ disable three finger gestures... 01:06:22 and it's starting to drive me nuts, because 90% of the time a three finger gesture triggers, it's by accident. 01:06:57 (and i don't really need to use the gesture for the final case) 01:10:22 -!- ais523 has quit. 01:17:02 -!- Frooxius has joined. 01:27:07 Is it possible to configure that in a different way (such as editing the configuration file directly)? 01:37:08 i dunno, and i got too close to a panic attack when trying to find out. 01:44:49 i suspect it's in the windows registry. i have failed to search for it. 01:45:13 -!- moonythedwarf has joined. 01:45:28 also that there's no documentation anywhere in english. 01:45:57 (seriously, would it hurt Asus's bottom line that much to hire a native speaker to writer stuff) 01:46:02 *-r 01:50:08 -!- Ender13 has left. 02:00:17 I hate unit testing 02:00:28 or 02:00:49 more accurately, I hate the idea that the best way to do unit testing is to hermetically seal off your units from anything that might be interesting 02:03:15 alercahello. unit testing is painful. 02:04:37 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 02:04:51 hppavellon[1]. 02:05:04 also the philosophy that your unit tests should fail independent 02:05:08 *independently 02:05:20 which is bunk because the results of one test depend on the results of another 02:05:41 one of the things that really bugs me is that "randomized testing is bad because it is not reproducible" 02:05:48 oerjan: I considered buying an Asus computer but I decided against it. 02:05:54 so instead I test 10 out of 2^32 possible values 02:06:04 ahoily 02:06:12 and if it so happens that my function fails for INT_MAX - 1, the unit tests will never catch it 02:06:13 I joined the channel before I logged into my accout 02:06:15 Weird 02:08:25 also the peculiar model of unit testing object-oriented languages that emphasizes boilerplate code 02:08:40 since "each test should test one thing" 02:08:41 idgaf 02:08:43 hppavilion[1]: that's how people reveal their cloaks. since you don't have one, it doesn't matter. 02:09:11 hppavilion[1]: it's because the login system requires contacting a different server. 02:09:50 oerjan: No, before I logged into the account on my laptop 02:09:54 unless you happen to be on the same one as nickserv. 02:09:58 hppavilion[1]: oh. 02:10:10 I opened my laptop, but then waited a bit before logging in to read the news 02:10:25 And boily had already porthelloed me when I did log in 02:11:30 also 02:11:33 konboilywa 02:11:38 shachaf: it was a spur of the moment thing where i ignored my intuition because my dad offered to buy a new laptop and we were in a shop that had asus on display. 02:12:15 (and he was leaving the next day, and my old laptop was on the brink - it crashed for good the next week) 02:12:42 (and i hate shopping) 02:12:50 oerjan: perhaps you can contact the manufacturer and apply a one finger gesture hth 02:12:57 shachaf: TEMPTING 02:30:18 -!- Zarutian has quit (Quit: Zarutian). 02:32:16 can someone explain this? >>+>,[->+>,]<[<[<<]<[.<[<<]<]>>[+>->]<<] 02:32:37 this part is easy >>+>,[->+>,]< 02:32:59 the rest i dunno 02:34:43 ^bf >>+>,[->+>,]<[<[<<]<[.<[<<]<]>>[+>->]<<]!testing 02:34:43 eginstt 02:34:53 yeah it's a sort 02:35:13 wait i think i get it 02:35:25 when it stores a character it decrements it 02:35:56 then finds the first point with a zero and then prints it and i'm lost 02:36:11 ^bf >>+>,[->+>,]<[<[<<]<[.<[<<]<]>>[+>->]<<]!testing 02:38:16 what did you do? 02:38:25 added a ^A at the end 02:38:51 and fungot has no timeout? 02:38:52 izabera: the function will fnord will try and learn a few other languages that don't exist 02:39:11 izabera: it just doesn't print anything then. 02:39:34 well that's a stupid bot 02:39:40 because the main loop gets skipped 02:39:44 it should print or something 02:39:56 fungot: nostril. 02:39:57 boily: chording keyboards are ones where you really feel about srfi 33 02:40:08 -!- boily has quit (Quit: RAVEN CHICKEN). 02:40:25 we are all stupid bots, are we not? 02:41:40 why do you think you are all stupid bots, are you not? 02:42:07 eliza :) 02:42:24 let's talk about you, not me 02:45:19 <-- stupid bot 02:48:56 [wiki] [[S.I.L.O.S]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=49656&oldid=49637 * Rjhunjhunwala * (+1956) 02:49:08 [wiki] [[S.I.L.O.S]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=49657&oldid=49656 * Rjhunjhunwala * (-11) 03:06:59 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 03:23:15 -!- augur has joined. 03:35:13 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 03:35:55 -!- augur has joined. 03:40:43 -!- augur has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 03:45:01 -!- moonythedwarf_ has joined. 03:45:57 -!- moonythedwarf has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 03:50:52 -!- augur has joined. 04:09:03 -!- moonythedwarf_ has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 04:13:55 How does Leibniz notation work? 04:14:02 What does it mean? Why do the informal mafipulations that people do with it work so well? 04:15:34 -!- adu has joined. 04:16:10 It works because the notion of an "infinitisimal", though not then explained or used in rigorous terms, actually can be defined rigorously. And the manipulations permitted on it function the same as people's informal manipulations do. 04:16:37 Which notion of "infinitesimal" are you using? 04:16:56 Non-standard analysis? Smooth infinitesimal analysis? 04:17:25 Non-standard analysis, as applied to the calculus of differentials and of integrals. 04:17:41 Without the notion of infinitesimal, you can still define a meaning for "dy/dx" (even if you maybe don't define "dy" and "dx" separately). What meaning would you take for it? 04:18:00 In non-standard analysis, "dy/dx" doesn't literally mean an infinitesimal dy divided by an infinitesimal dx. That would be too easy. 04:18:13 It means the standard part of a quotient of infinitesimals, at least. 04:19:01 -!- Caesura has joined. 04:19:08 Anyway, you can ask three people what "dy/dx" actually means and get five answers. 04:19:17 I have considered "dy" and "dx" can be define separately but they are not infinitesimals 04:19:52 What do you define them as? 04:19:56 My naive interpretation of dy/dx without infinitesimals as a concept, is that it's an opaque symbol meaning "derivative with respect to x". 04:20:18 Covectors? One-forms? 04:20:28 pikhq: That's what I said. 04:20:37 In particular, y is an expression with a free variable x. 04:20:49 dy/dx is also an expression with a free variable x (but not the same x). 04:20:50 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 04:21:32 If D : (R -> R) -> (R -> R) is the differentiation operator, then dy/dx means D(\x.y)(x) 04:21:37 Is that what you're thinking? 04:21:58 -!- fungot has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 04:21:59 -!- prooftechnique has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 04:22:54 Some people say other things. For example, that y is a function, and dy/dx is a function. 04:23:28 Today's xkcd is a useful piece of advice 04:23:32 -!- staffehn_ has joined. 04:23:34 I do define them as something like "opaque symbols", with certain algebraic properties so that you can make calculations with them. 04:24:05 -!- moonythedwarf has joined. 04:24:09 That sounds good, can you say more? 04:24:46 -!- yorick has joined. 04:24:55 -!- Akaibu_ has joined. 04:25:32 One thing that people do is say: y^2 = x^2; d/dx both sides, so d(y^2)/dx = d(x^2)/dx, so 2y dy/dx = 2x, so dy/dx = x/y 04:25:44 Now y isn't an expression in x at all. 04:25:45 For example d(x^2)=2xdx and so on. Therefore if y=x^2 then dy/dx=2x 04:25:57 -!- idris-bot has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds). 04:25:57 -!- pdxleif has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds). 04:25:58 -!- Akaibu has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds). 04:25:58 -!- incomprehensibly has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds). 04:25:59 -!- Lymia has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds). 04:25:59 -!- Kaynato has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds). 04:26:00 -!- yorick_ has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds). 04:26:00 -!- staffehn has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds). 04:26:21 *poof* 04:26:31 oerjan: you can't poof 04:26:36 -!- prooftechnique has joined. 04:26:45 -!- Akaibu_ has changed nick to Akaibu. 04:26:59 -!- Lymia has joined. 04:27:11 However, the notation d^2y/dx^2 for the second derivative is wrong and it does not actually work. By using the rule for derivative of divisions, you can figure out the correct way (I have done so, and have found another answer in a book, and I found it to be equivalent). 04:27:20 -!- pdxleif has joined. 04:27:57 What's the correct way? 04:28:46 I figured it out on some paper somewhere but now I forget. 04:28:54 Today's xkcd is a useful piece of advice <-- i think your timing estimate is a _little_ bit nonlinear. 04:29:31 zzo38: What is d(dx)? 04:29:31 If you want, you can try to figure it out by yourself. 04:29:35 oerjan: "today's xkcd" just means "the thing that pops up when you go to xkcd.com" 04:30:03 shachaf: It is d(dx). Without more information you cannot convert it as far as I know. 04:30:03 And if one is reading the logs, it means whichever one is most recent at the time when you're reading 04:30:14 Clearly it's the function d applied to the variable dx. 04:30:18 04:30:31 oerjan: you can't poof <-- didn't you see how i made all those people disappear hth 04:31:12 hppavilion[1]: i recommend "current" hth 04:31:29 -!- incomprehensibly has joined. 04:32:08 zzo38: In what context is "dx" defined? 04:32:17 Does it only make sense in the presence of a free variable x? 04:33:47 Well, "x" has to mean something too, and then it can be calculation by the relation and so on. 04:34:06 -!- adu has quit (Quit: adu). 04:35:13 For example if you have variables y and x with y=x^2 and so on, then y and x are the variables here, so that is what it means, and since you have this equation you can make up more equations from it like any other mathematics is. 04:35:50 What is the type of d, or of dx? 04:35:57 What manipulations are permitted on it? 04:36:40 I think most common stuff is OK such as addition, multiplication, division, etc 04:47:54 -!- moonythedwarf has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 05:00:38 zzo38: Is there a definition of d I can read anywhere? 05:00:43 Is it some sort of algebraic structure? 05:01:11 Can you make a version that works with functions, instead of expressions? 05:02:27 zzo38: One thing you can say is: y and x are really implicitly expressions in, say, t. 05:02:33 And then dx really means dx/dt 05:07:20 -!- augur has joined. 05:10:01 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: Nite). 05:25:13 I don't think that is how it works (unless dt=1) 05:26:14 Why not? 05:26:33 Yes, of course if you could refer to t directly in this context, then dt would be 1. 05:33:45 how many requests per second could a good webserver serve in 1990? 05:34:12 -!- Jafet has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 05:36:05 Were there any web servers in 1990? 05:36:21 ok, 1992? 05:36:59 because i wrote a stupid wrapper that forks off to a shell script and that shell script replies "hello from a server that runs on android" in http 05:37:22 and it's running on my tablet and it handles 100 requests in 1.7s 05:37:26 is that good for 1992? 05:39:59 turns out forking is a little inefficient 05:40:17 *shocking* 05:40:17 Forking is a strategy that was used for a long time, with CGI scripts. 05:40:19 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 05:40:24 ok 05:41:56 Seems that the first web server was developed on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NeXT_Computer 05:59:40 Forking is a pretty inefficient way of spawning processes. 05:59:57 That said, the thing that's slow there isn't actually the fork call. 06:00:30 I'm pretty sure that your shell is paying some pretty big startup costs. 06:02:06 If you want to use the shell, you gotta shell out the startup costs. 06:02:23 Yeah, but bash's aren't exactly worth it. 06:02:53 No, wait, Android. That'll be toolbox sh, probably. 06:03:03 But it's using Bionic, which is a scow libc. 06:03:20 Friendly advice, never write a libc in C++. 06:03:35 friendly advice, never write a libc 06:03:50 both the C and C++ standard libraries are scow 06:04:01 * pikhq really wishes musl existed at the time that Android was getting started 06:04:12 a heffalump or musl / is very confusel 06:04:17 oerjan: hth 06:05:11 I once had to work with C++ stdlib locale code 06:06:06 Which was no doubt way too complex because it was designed to account for not-UTF-8 charsets. 06:06:15 Perhaps even *shudder* stateful charsets. 06:08:46 it's mksh 06:09:35 that's not part of why 06:09:37 err 06:09:40 not all of why 06:10:02 it's too complex because it was designed to be extensible in a terrible way 06:10:15 what? 06:10:17 mksh? 06:10:21 no, C++ locales 06:10:30 and the end result was something totally useless for basically everything 06:10:46 Yeah, the interface itself is too complex and overly general. 06:10:59 honestly C++ should deprecate locales & iostreams and replace them with something better 06:11:06 And most implementations then decide to be that general. 06:11:16 well they follow the standard 06:11:34 Meanwhile, at least the C locale standard *permits* simple implementations. 06:11:44 (one aspect of the mess in C++ iirc also comes from attempts to be compatible with C locales) 06:11:56 C has its own locale fun 06:12:02 like the lack of thread-local locale functions 06:12:28 ... In C but not POSIX, and non-POSIX C implementations are: Microsoft Visual C. 06:13:37 I heard Windows has a Linux system call emulation layer now. 06:13:42 Did you try it? 06:14:03 And MSVC is basically as much of a joke implementation as IE6's implementation of HTML. 06:14:06 No, I haven't. 06:14:36 pikhq: when did POSIX add those? 06:14:52 oh wait, I'm confusing myself 06:14:59 yes, POSIX has thread-local ones 06:15:13 Sadly, uselocale was added in POSIX-2008. 06:15:33 Though the various functions that take locale_t are earlier. 06:15:39 right, ok 06:16:06 my notes say posix is missing some 06:16:36 It's possible the notes are just old. POSIX gets new versions every now and then. 06:16:52 Though, some of the implementations (*cough*OS X*cough*) don't care. 06:16:53 yes 06:17:07 my notes are POSIX.1-2008 06:17:16 Mmkay, that's the latest modulo errata. 06:18:16 generally it lacks local_t versions of printing functions 06:18:20 But, with uselocale you *may* correctly implement any locale_t-taking function you feel like. 06:18:25 and conversions 06:18:41 *locale_t 06:19:05 Though doing it perfectly correctly for a lot of 'em (the ones that are cancellation points) is going to be a bit tricky. (not impossible, just tricky) 06:20:01 Okay, and the ones that are async signal safe, if any of 'em are. 06:20:29 (can't be bothered to look if any of 'em are async signal safe) 06:20:32 no, I don't think you can 06:20:46 assuming you don't know the encoding of wchar_t* in an arbitrary locale 06:21:01 (wchar_t is stupid too but that's another story) 06:22:23 My own programs just use C locale so we don't need the others 06:24:22 I don't see how that's relevant, but in practice it's of little relevance: good implementations should have __STDC_ISO_10646__, and as such wchar_t values are Unicode codepoints in all locales. 06:25:07 (there are, once again, two kinds of implementations worth caring about: implementations with that, and MSVC) 06:27:50 Best way is ignore that and use C locale; ISO 10646 is no good and the other locales are also no good. 06:28:52 windows is screwed there 06:29:24 -!- augur has joined. 06:29:29 pikhq: you can't implement printfw_l without knowing the encoding 06:29:42 or other various conversion functions 06:31:48 What does printfw_l means anyways? 06:50:47 -!- Jafet has joined. 08:09:34 Oh my god, http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SortingAlgorithmOfTropes is paradise for me 08:15:49 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 08:56:52 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 09:36:56 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 10:43:58 https://arin.ga/qJJMNf/raw <- this is serving this -> http://95.233.72.203 11:28:53 i was looking for source code the 2011 movie with jake gyllenhaal 11:29:04 and found this https://thepiratebay.org/torrent/3497574/Windows_2000_source_code and this https://thepiratebay.org/torrent/4149808/Windows_NT4_source_code 11:29:14 they look legit 11:30:41 and illegal 11:31:26 oh no 11:34:51 <\oren\> Ok, fuck you hitler. I'm retreating, you can take poland, have fun. But my newest tanks will meet you at the eastern border when you get there 11:35:15 <\oren\> goddamn it why are my tanks not as good as his 11:36:04 because Hitler? Didn't you want to outtech him? 11:37:13 -!- olsner has quit (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in). 11:37:32 -!- olsner has joined. 11:38:16 -!- augur has joined. 11:38:32 <\oren\> int-e: yeah, but I focused my efforts on planes, but poland won't let me rebase my bombers 11:39:47 <\oren\> int-e: I have better tanks but they're only being manufactured now, my old tank divisions are stuck with old tanks 11:42:25 -!- augur has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 11:44:39 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 11:56:41 two of my benchmarks trigger O(n^2) behaviour for microsoft's qsort 12:03:36 is that dag adversary strong enough to ensure that Theta(n log(n)) comparisons are required for any comparison based sorting algorithm? 12:06:07 Dang I'm mixing up the big O's, I mean Omega. 12:12:51 -!- jix_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 13:13:25 -!- Phantom__Hoover has joined. 13:14:21 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 13:26:16 [wiki] [[S.I.L.O.S]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=49658&oldid=49657 * Rjhunjhunwala * (-3410) 13:27:15 [wiki] [[S.I.L.O.S]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=49659&oldid=49658 * Rjhunjhunwala * (+5) 13:28:01 [wiki] [[S.I.L.O.S]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=49660&oldid=49659 * Rjhunjhunwala * (-1) 13:28:10 -!- boily has joined. 13:36:33 -!- moonythedwarf has joined. 14:20:26 `wisdom 14:20:28 mark//A mark of one's destiny singled out alone, fulfilled. 14:23:08 -!- lleu has joined. 14:29:11 -!- lleu has quit (Quit: That's what she said). 14:30:51 -!- Phantom__Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 14:35:39 <\oren\> Ok, seriously, this time I'm playing as Iran. How did I end up at war with Finland!? 14:36:33 Whatcha playing? 14:36:58 Some Paradox game or something? 14:37:05 is this like europa universalis where iran ends up next to finland? 14:37:19 \oren\: The enemy of your enemy? Alliances are tricky. 14:38:18 To my mind it's not more ridiculous as Japan becoming an ally of Germany. 14:38:29 s/as/than/ 14:38:42 <\oren\> I'm a communist Iran, so I guess because USSR declared war on finland? 14:39:09 Makes sense. 14:39:28 <\oren\> Luckily I already annexed iraq 14:39:55 And there's no Israel. 14:40:08 <\oren\> Right, not at this point in history. 14:40:18 That should simplify matters quite a bit... well... not really. 14:40:39 <\oren\> I am, however, researching nukes 14:40:56 <\oren\> What if iran was cummunist, and got nukes by 1944? 14:41:06 <\oren\> Well, let's find out 14:45:46 Where's Saudi Arabia in all this? 14:46:17 <\oren\> Hey, I wonder if I can grab some of Saudi's territory if I threaten to nuke Riyadh? 14:47:07 <\oren\> right now they don't seem to be doing much, they don't even seem to have much forces at their border with me 14:48:57 <\oren\> Turkey on the other hand has nine infrantry divisions looking over their border asking for me to send them somthing to shoot at 14:50:32 <\oren\> japan just joined the axis 14:54:35 \oren\: indeed, what are you playing? 14:54:47 <\oren\> alercah: Hearts of Iron 4 14:55:19 <\oren\> Well, it looks like Syria is controlled by vichy france, so when the real warr breks out,I'll grab that 14:55:28 @metar LOWI 14:55:28 LOWI 281320Z VRB02KT 9999 FEW070 FEW070TCU 31/16 Q1017 NOSIG 15:06:35 -!- moonythedwarf_ has joined. 15:09:32 -!- moonythedwarf has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 15:10:10 <\oren\> Researching rocketry 15:10:51 <\oren\> (With a little help from my dear russian friends) 15:11:03 -!- moonythedwarf_ has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 15:25:03 -!- boily has quit (Quit: RISKY CHICKEN). 15:42:24 -!- PinealGlandOptic has joined. 16:01:28 <\oren\> Wait, what's going on here?! Why isn't Germany breaking the ribbentrop pact? 16:01:33 <\oren\> I 16:01:35 <\oren\> I 16:01:42 <\oren\> i'ts almost 1942 16:16:51 -!- wob_jonas has joined. 16:17:14 \oren\: turns out that was you breaking the pact all along, when you traveled back in time 16:22:13 <\oren\> screw it then I'm invading the Saudis 16:30:13 <\oren\> yah it looks like somehow I ended up in a world where stalin and hilter get along fine 16:36:09 <\oren\> Workers of Saudi Arabia, your salvation from your despot is nigh 16:37:34 [wiki] [[S.I.L.O.S]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=49661&oldid=49660 * Rjhunjhunwala * (+22) 16:38:19 [wiki] [[S.I.L.O.S]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=49662&oldid=49661 * Rjhunjhunwala * (-5) 16:39:08 <\oren\> The british raj has capitulated to Japan 16:39:08 [wiki] [[S.I.L.O.S]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=49663&oldid=49662 * Rjhunjhunwala * (+22) 16:40:11 -!- Phantom__Hoover has joined. 16:41:02 [wiki] [[S.I.L.O.S]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=49664&oldid=49663 * Rjhunjhunwala * (+44) 16:41:14 <\oren\> so long story short I'm playing as Iran, and now I have a land border with Japan 16:41:31 [wiki] [[S.I.L.O.S]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=49665&oldid=49664 * Rjhunjhunwala * (-2) 16:43:04 [wiki] [[S.I.L.O.S]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=49666&oldid=49665 * Rjhunjhunwala * (+1) 16:45:45 <\oren\> Holy crap it looks like the USSR is about to break the pact 16:46:42 \oren\: wait, which game is this? 16:46:49 is it still Europa Universalis? 16:46:55 or that newer game? 16:52:39 <\oren\> wob_jonas: it's not. 16:52:50 <\oren\> It's Hearts of Iron 4 16:53:05 thanks 17:08:02 -!- PinealGlandOptic has quit (Quit: leaving). 17:16:45 -!- wob_jonas has quit (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client). 17:18:21 -!- jix has joined. 17:18:45 -!- jix has quit (Client Quit). 17:20:03 -!- jix has joined. 17:20:19 -!- jix has quit (Client Quit). 17:22:35 -!- jix has joined. 17:26:22 -!- jix has quit (Client Quit). 17:26:54 -!- DHeadshot has joined. 17:40:39 -!- augur has joined. 17:41:52 -!- jix has joined. 17:44:56 -!- augur has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 17:45:33 -!- jix has quit (Client Quit). 17:45:42 -!- jix has joined. 17:54:59 <\oren\> Ok, somehow, in 1943, finally the allies and comintern united against the axis 17:55:57 <\oren\> And now there are tons of american trops landing in iranian-contrlled syria in onrder to invade egypt 18:13:33 -!- DHeadshot has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 18:29:07 -!- moonythedwarf has joined. 18:56:54 -!- Zarutian has joined. 18:57:25 -!- Zarutian has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 18:57:52 -!- Zarutian has joined. 19:15:26 How much do you think should be this effect of Magic: the Gathering card? "Fateseal 4, and then target opponent draws a card." 19:37:09 -!- Reece` has joined. 19:42:48 -!- moonythedwarf has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 19:45:33 -!- moonythedwarf has joined. 19:52:11 -!- DHeadshot has joined. 20:24:50 -!- moonythedwarf has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 20:41:39 [wiki] [[S.I.L.O.S]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=49667&oldid=49666 * Rjhunjhunwala * (+261) 20:47:38 -!- augur has joined. 20:56:27 -!- Phantom__Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 21:02:24 -!- Phantom__Hoover has joined. 21:12:52 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 21:13:07 My god mantis shrimps are cool 21:13:40 They have 12 color-sensing cells, plus 4 other non-color sensors (e.g. polarization) in their eyes 21:13:52 So they can see things that are transparent, and yet still see what's behind them 21:16:05 My god, if transhumanism can get me some of the stuff that other animals have, I'm in 21:23:11 (and probably some cephalopod eyes while I'm at it) 21:34:33 Proprioception is weird 21:34:49 Because of its connection to touch 21:35:17 When you feel pain on your arm, you feel the pain coming from where the injured part of your arm /is/, rather than just from the abstract location of "your arm", which could be anywhere 21:48:07 FireFly: why are you in #-blah and not in #-offtopic 21:48:09 v. confusing hth 21:48:31 why should I be in -offtopic 21:49:05 why should you be in -blah 21:49:41 I don't know, I was in -blah before 21:49:45 was there drama at some point? 21:50:41 Probably. 21:50:54 One of them requires TLS. 21:51:37 Ah 21:54:51 -!- PinealGlandOptic has joined. 21:56:07 > fix ((0:) . scanl (+) 1) 21:56:11 [0,1,1,2,3,5,8,13,21,34,55,89,144,233,377,610,987,1597,2584,4181,6765,10946,... 21:56:22 how's lambdabot doing in the timeout department these days? 21:56:25 [wiki] [[S.I.L.O.S]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=49668&oldid=49667 * Rjhunjhunwala * (-61) 22:07:55 Oh Tromp gave a talk at the US Go Congress (Computer Go session). 22:07:58 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in). 22:08:40 @metar lowi 22:08:41 LOWI 282050Z VRB08KT 9999 SCT050TCU BKN120 22/13 Q1021 NOSIG 22:12:24 -!- Zarutian has quit (Quit: Zarutian). 22:19:07 -!- DHeadshot has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 22:33:31 Making people pay to learn Linux is just wrong 22:34:15 You are not required to pay to learn Linux; you only have to pay if those are the classes you are entering. Otherwise you can learn in different way you don't have to pay. 22:35:20 -!- Reece` has quit (Quit: Alsithyafturttararfunar). 22:38:16 zzo38: Yeah, but it's still kind of weird 22:38:33 If you're paying to learn linux, you probably aren't really in on the spirit of the thing 22:38:44 Question: After the assassination of Lincoln, what happened to the play? 22:41:08 hppavilion[1]: i don't see how this is weirder than paying to learn windows 22:41:23 myname: Because Linux is Linux and it's all 'bout dat foss 22:41:32 you don't learn about linux by reading the source code, usually 22:41:37 I think it is OK for them to charge the money if they want to, such as if they are selling a book or they have a classroom. 22:41:41 so, no difference there 22:41:43 myname: Yeah, but it's still kind of strange 22:41:49 not at all 22:41:56 You are not required to pay them if you can learn in other ways. 22:42:02 people sold CDs with openoffice and firefox on them on ebay 22:42:07 that's what i call strange 22:42:12 Like, at the very least, it would be weird to use theirs because there is almost certainly a free one available 22:42:19 myname: That's strange 22:42:34 Yes, I do think that is strange. Selling such CDs at a physical store does make some more sense though 22:43:00 i don't think so, because of firefox 22:43:18 who the hell would need a brlwser if he doesnjt have access to the internet 22:43:32 To view local HTML documents? 22:43:32 myname: I mean, you could argue it's for people who don't have a browser on their computer yet and need to install it by disk 22:43:55 But you're on ebay 22:44:01 I mean, you could be using the app on your phone 22:44:09 But really 22:44:56 Even if you do have internet on your computer but not the web browser software, if you want to download one, you could still use other software such as wget or ftp (but that won't work if you don't have that software either). 22:47:50 So, a disk still helps. 22:48:03 (Of course on Ebay it won't help so much, I suppose) 22:48:32 Either I'm an idiot or this is very subtle 22:49:28 In Hallelujah (the one that everybody covers), the line "it goes like this, the fourth, the fifth, the minor fall, and the major lift" is played exactly like that (in C Major, at least) 22:50:08 hppavilion[1]: but tbh, maybe microsoft is not a good comparison. how about suse selling support for linux? 22:50:34 myname: Also weird. 22:51:12 Either you are all-in gung-ho on Linux and Free Software, or you don't use Linux 22:51:14 hownso, they sell a service that people demand 22:51:15 From what I've seen 22:51:25 absolutely not 22:51:28 myname: The people demanding it shouldn't be using linux 22:51:32 i don't really care about foss 22:51:53 i use linux because anything else just plain sucks for coding 22:52:14 hppavilion[1]: I think those thing is not a valid excuse 22:54:41 "you should not use linux if you want a reliable server system" doesn't make sense 22:54:52 -!- DHeadshot has joined. 22:56:59 Possibly BSD is better for a reliable server system, but I don't know. 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