< 1472688132 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm thinking about extending http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?id=3920 with (a) a more consensus-based system (rather than a single anomalous objection preventing the marriage, the entire assemblage must agree- so even if one person is 5 sigma against this marriage, if the other people lean towards it more than average then it is canceled out because people anti-object) and (b) an additional "trust factor" that allows the couple to < 1472688132 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :acknowledge that the groom's alcoholic brother Jeff's opinions really don't matter to them as much as the Bride's [kindly old Mother who's bravely fighting a terminal liver cancer so she can see her daughter married]'s opinion < 1472688148 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The system works like this < 1472688188 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Each guest to the wedding is entered into a database and associated with one party (either the bride or the groom) < 1472688214 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1472688343 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(+1s, by the way, are not permitted to object; people likely to go together are issued a "joint invitation" that serves essentially as 2 invitations without +1 capabilities OR as a single ticket with one permitted +1, rather than issuing one of them a standard invitation under the expectation that the other one will be their +1) < 1472688428 0 :powerOfTwo!~powerOfTw@host117.190-139-21.telecom.net.ar JOIN :#esoteric < 1472688501 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prior to the wedding, the bride and groom are taken into separate rooms and given a list of guests. For each guest, they assign that guest a trust rating (any nonnegative real number will do). Each party also has the option to mark guests associated with the other party as "null" or "mirror", which is basically saying "assign me at the same trust rating as my prospective spouse" < 1472688563 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, you know, they can just give a fuck about objections < 1472688578 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: I'm humorously doing advanced statistics for weddings < 1472688584 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~advanced < 1472688672 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Let G be the set of all guests, G_B be the set of all guests associated with the bride, G_F be the set of all guests associated with the groom, T_B(g) be the bride's trust ratings (T_B : G -> R), and T_F(g) be the groom's trust ratings (id)) < 1472688744 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(note here that we're assuming a heterosexual marriage; homosexual marriages follow the same process, but should likely use a separate database of past objections for the time being, given the stigma) < 1472688762 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(group marriages, I have no idea what to do, but it'd likely be similar) < 1472688934 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Next, T_B(g) and T_F(g) are normalized to 100 with a standard deviation of 15 < 1472688995 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(call these T'_B(g) and T'_F(g)) < 1472689029 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let T(g) = (T'_B(g)+T'_F(g))/2, which represents overall trust < 1472689118 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :T_mean is the mean of T(g) forall g in G < 1472689149 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then, at the part of the wedding ceremony where objections are given, each eligible guest submits an objection in the interval [0,1] < 1472689219 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Call the objection of guest g O(g) < 1472689336 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The standard wedding objection is calculated (take the output of this algorithm at all previous weddings, average them, subtract each individual wedding's result from the average, square these, divide by the total number of weddings, take the square root) < 1472689460 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For each guest g, find T(g)*O(g)^2, sum these values, divide by T_mean*|G|, take the square root < 1472689480 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Call this TO (Total Objection) < 1472689506 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Submit TO to the server for consideration in future weddings < 1472689524 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :With the earlier-found Standard Wedding Objection SO < 1472689564 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the Wedding Objection Standard Deviation WOSD < 1472689569 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :See if TO-SO≥WOSD < 1472689591 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that's my badly-statisticated text wall < 1472689678 0 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@194.108.5.201 QUIT :Quit: *bubbles away* < 1472690094 0 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@194.108.5.201 JOIN :#esoteric < 1472690220 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1472690379 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kayryluu kerjanch! < 1472690422 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :coily! < 1472690484 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :QUINTHELLOPIA! < 1472690569 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :arghoily < 1472690623 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I kept the "yr" theme from yesterday ^^ < 1472690635 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ENOTHELPING < 1472690661 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't seem to have vowel harmony... < 1472690669 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hint: transliterated. < 1472690687 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :from cyrillic? < 1472690694 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup. < 1472690730 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm but can y be a back vowel, otherwise i'd still say no vowel harmony. < 1472690732 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it one of those dying azerbaijani languages? < 1472690734 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait < 1472690775 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm caucasian you mean? < 1472690793 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wouldn't know those, anyway :( < 1472690804 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :like Udi--only like 6600 recorded speakers < 1472690816 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm just wondering if it could be a turkish language. < 1472690830 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is a Turkic language. < 1472690833 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh < 1472690840 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hoily < 1472690847 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oohoily? < 1472690869 0 :carado!~carado@2a01:e34:ec1e:2390:8341:b3f5:2d6:41fa QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1472690893 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i can rattle off some names that i'm not sure whether are turkic or indo-aryan < 1472690904 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hoily shit ;P < 1472690909 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :turkmen, uzbek or such < 1472690927 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i.e. those ex-cccp states) < 1472690939 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not turkmen, not uzbek. < 1472690947 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh or kazakh < 1472690973 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION might not be spelling them correctly, anyway < 1472691043 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not kazakh! < 1472691074 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :kazakh sounds like a hacking cough < 1472691101 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :azeri wasn't _officially_ mentioned yet, i think < 1472691141 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not azeri. < 1472691158 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i may be out of plausibly turkic language names :( < 1472691182 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's Kyrgyz. < 1472691188 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :dran < 1472691191 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: it really sounds like a cough. /qɑˈzɑq/ < 1472691196 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the one state i forgot :P < 1472691234 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah kazakh is all apples < 1472691411 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i'm pretty sure either the cyrillic or the transliteration on omniglot's page is misspelled < 1472691434 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the y and r are swapped) < 1472691437 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah fungot. < 1472691437 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: sorry if i seem brusque, but it doesn't rank very high on the richter scale? :) maybe its a charity fnord" < 1472691454 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: t'es pas brusque, juste un fungot. < 1472691454 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: how'd you do ( eval2...) with ( a c d) evaluate to zero when serialized)) < 1472691611 0 :lynn!sid154965@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-pqykwtkqrnnqqnvv PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, charity fnords < 1472691629 0 :Kaynato!~Aedile@casewireless03.CWRU.Edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1472691793 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about first person narration, but using first-person plural pronouns ("we", "us") < 1472691827 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION finds a kyrgyz word кайың on wiktionary, but its meaning is "birch" < 1472691873 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Literature/TheVirginSuicides does that < 1472691892 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm кеч is evening < 1472691920 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: have you ever read math papers those are like that hth < 1472691940 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Well yeah, but they're also anti-fiction < 1472691950 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(as opposed to non-fiction or fiction) < 1472691998 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(anti-fiction is purer than non-fiction in that anti-fiction is definitely, 100%, provably objectively true, whereas non-fiction is laced with opinions and point-of-view bias) < 1472692001 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :math is fictional. ask any mathematician hth < 1472692269 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :confirmed < 1472692310 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but at least it's a fiction that's more consistent with humanity's perception of the behavior of the universe than any other fictions out there < 1472692328 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll take "math says so" over "god says so" any day of the week < 1472692350 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i find a claim that кайрылуу means "case", and that has more google hits than the original spelling. < 1472692373 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i'm starting to suspect that omniglot entry is nonsense :P < 1472692408 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has кеч! < 1472692420 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed, but the other words seems dubious. < 1472692423 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*-s < 1472692438 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm maybe i should google the whole phrase. < 1472692561 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :unswapped has 382 hits, swapped 8. < 1472692689 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first became 29 after flipping pages. < 1472692725 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's so few you could suspect them all to come from the same flawed source. < 1472692790 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: which languages do you speak? < 1472692791 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i think that syntactic environments are _much_ more easily expressed with one type of oo < 1472692798 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that wouldn't surprise me at all. < 1472692812 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: oo oo ooooooo ooo ō ooo? < 1472692812 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i could be wrong, but lisppaste is at http://www.common-lisp.net/ paste/ display/ 4532 < 1472692875 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: i'm pretty sure boily's line wasn't lisp. < 1472692876 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: calamari's here. it's not the only barrier, if it somehow clears those two hw banging instructions, that bound instruction is likely to be that < 1472692962 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: oooh, calamari! calamari is delicious. < 1472692962 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: no, sorry, heh :) well, i'm with jeffie there. ( irc limitations) < 1472692963 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :otoh the phrases in omniglot are provided by someone with an appropriate sounding name... < 1472692972 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: yes it is. < 1472692972 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: might i ask what this is doing here < 1472692981 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Chyngyz Dzhumaliev) < 1472692983 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: it is doing being flavourful hth < 1472692984 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i'm also wondering whether perhaps other browsers are a bit less than males can get pregnant with some caos < 1472692987 0 :powerOfTwo!~powerOfTw@host117.190-139-21.telecom.net.ar QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1472692991 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: sounds legit. < 1472693037 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i don't calamari wants you to eat him, otoh he hasn't been here in a long while. < 1472693078 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*don't think < 1472693097 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION thinks the fnords are stealing his words < 1472693097 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tripped on oerjan's sentence. brain sprain. < 1472693115 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: SOWWY < 1472693120 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY < 1472693238 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: haven't you ever wished to swap fnords and fjords, maybe just for a day? < 1472693238 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: xhtml doesn't render portably. hence the slowness in modern machines is due to the choice to use c++ analogies) < 1472693241 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think we need to make Greece an independent country < 1472693266 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavellon[1]. eh? < 1472693281 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, fuck < 1472693287 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/.*// < 1472693294 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: wikitravel suggests the more logical (given the other entries in omniglot) Kutmanduu kechingiz menen. < 1472693309 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think we need to tell Greece that we're making Lesbos an independent country < 1472693415 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i think fnord should be inflected the same as icelandic fjord, anyway. < 1472693432 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: i think they like to spell it Lesvos these days, for obvious reasons. < 1472693454 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Damn. < 1472693482 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, time to find a dictionary genie < 1472693501 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lesvian (n): A female who is attracted to females < 1472693511 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fjord, fjordn, fjordr, fjordet, fjordar... < 1472693514 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote I think we need to make Greece an independent country < 1472693516 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1288) I think we need to make Greece an independent country < 1472693528 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Hey, I never said that < 1472693542 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes you did. < 1472693550 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: No, I didn't < 1472693572 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am of the opinion that using s/// isn't just correct a mistake- it undoes it < 1472693586 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Once s/// has been used, the mistake is erased from all of time and space < 1472693592 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am of the opposite opinion hth < 1472693598 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shh... is okay now... you will be PDFed... < 1472693642 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: anyway, you are now in the quotes in the proud tradition of itidus hth < 1472693648 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote itidus < 1472693649 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :394) to assume that someone can be described by a rule without exception... is to assume they are omnipotent for instance stones are omnipotent, as they don't do anything, without exception \ 415) monqy: last night in my dreams I saw a false photo album of my childhood... looking ghostly \ 416) itidus20: i s < 1472693686 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wat? < 1472693697 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was itidus20 constantly stoned? < 1472693702 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote matrix of solidity < 1472693702 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :240) enjoy being locked in your matrix of solidity < 1472693709 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: we have no disproof of that hth < 1472693828 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : fjord, fjordn, fjordr, fjordet, fjordar... <-- no, it's more glorious than that. https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/fj%C3%B6r%C3%B0ur < 1472694014 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I couldn't have dreamt it better. < 1472694057 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know right? < 1472694297 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1472694409 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1472694652 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1472695137 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1472695358 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: GENERATIONAL CHICKEN < 1472695533 0 :Kaynato!~Aedile@casewireless03.CWRU.Edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1472695889 0 :Kaynato!~Aedile@casewireless02.CWRU.Edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1472695895 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc linked to this: http://inutile.club/estatis/falso/ < 1472695981 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :the best thing about Falso is that it is consistent < 1472696322 0 :Kaynato!~Aedile@casewireless02.CWRU.Edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1472696373 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can it be consistent if everything is true? < 1472696456 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, that's easy to prove, just use the axiom < 1472696702 0 :Ashura!328bfcaf@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.139.252.175 JOIN :#esoteric < 1472696731 0 :Ashura!328bfcaf@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.139.252.175 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1472696753 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi Ashura < 1472696868 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome Ashura < 1472696869 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ashura: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: . (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.) < 1472696938 0 :Ashura!328bfcaf@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.139.252.175 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Javascript quine: !function $(){console.log("!" + $ + "()")}() < 1472697012 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is work < 1472697022 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1472697023 0 :Ashura!328bfcaf@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.139.252.175 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if a quine is possible in Bugmaker. < 1472697122 0 :Ashura!328bfcaf@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.139.252.175 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Instead of writing "SET X = 1 + 1", you'd have to write "DO SET THE VARIABLE NAMED X = EXACTLY 1 + 1 NOW". < 1472697355 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's see if we can make a quine with the standard TAVERN compiler? (It is a program I wrote but I did not intend to make a quine out of it) < 1472697426 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(To see if it can be done without having the program read its own source file at compile time) < 1472697462 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode STAR < 1472697462 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+0001 \ UTF-8: 01 UTF-16BE: 0001 Decimal:  \ . \ Category: Cc (Other, Control) \ Bidi: BN (Boundary Neutral) \ \ U+0002 \ UTF-8: 02 UTF-16BE: 0002 Decimal:  \  \ Category: Cc (Other, Control) \ Bidi: BN (Boundary Neutral) \ \ U+0086 \ UTF-8: c2 86 UTF-16BE: 0086 Decimal: † \ † \ Category: Cc (Ot < 1472697782 0 :Ashura!328bfcaf@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.139.252.175 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try to run THIS: ----[---->+<]>++.--[----->+<]>.-----------.[—>+<]>---.---.+++[->++ +<]>++. < 1472697923 0 :Trey13!~Ender13@2602:306:cf8d:6060:ace2:a73c:5b7a:ea3d JOIN :#esoteric < 1472698178 0 :Trey13!~Ender13@2602:306:cf8d:6060:ace2:a73c:5b7a:ea3d PART #esoteric : < 1472698316 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf ----[---->+<]>++.--[----->+<]>.-----------.[—>+<]>---.---.+++[->++ +<]>++. < 1472698321 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ash ...out of time! < 1472698326 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1472698340 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! bf ----[---->+<]>++.--[----->+<]>.-----------.[—>+<]>---.---.+++[->++ +<]>++. < 1472698371 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ash < 1472698375 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ashura: seems a bit heavy < 1472698390 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it supposed to write more than 3 letters < 1472698422 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo hi < 1472698422 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1472698475 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat ibin/bf < 1472698476 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/sh \ . lib/interp \ \ # Get the bitwidth from the command \ BW=`echo "$I_CMD" | sed 's/.*bf//'` \ if [ "$BW" = "" ] ; then BW=8 ; fi \ \ interp_file ./interps/egobf/src/egobfi$BW < 1472698578 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1472698583 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` \! 'bf ----[---->+<]>++.--[----->+<]>.-----------.[—>+<]>---.---.+++[->++ +<]>++.' | ord < 1472698614 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1472698617 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmph < 1472698999 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf ----[---->+<]>++.--[----->+<]>.-----------.[—>+<]>---.---.+++[->+++<]>++. < 1472699004 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ash ...out of time! < 1472699016 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has no idea why that would timeout. < 1472699048 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf ----[---->+<]>++.--[----->+<]>.-----------.---.---.+++[->+++<]>++. < 1472699049 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asheb1 < 1472699060 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm curious < 1472699073 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think there's a bug, but it still shouldn't timeout. < 1472699089 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf ----[---->+<]>++.--[----->+<]>.-----------.[->+<]>---.---.+++[->+++<]>++. < 1472699138 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now what. < 1472699143 0 :Robdgreat!~rob@unaffiliated/robdgreat PRIVMSG #esoteric :where do we go from here < 1472699145 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^echo hi < 1472699168 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think fungot has trouble :( < 1472699218 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asheb1 < 1472699218 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi hi < 1472699218 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ( fun with scope!), and the " include " prescheme.h"" line is not. < 1472699224 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1472699237 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf ----[---->+<]>++.--[----->+<]>.-----------.[->+<]>---.---.+++[->+++<]>++. < 1472699237 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asheb1 < 1472699291 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode .[—>+<]> < 1472699292 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+002E FULL STOP] [U+005B LEFT SQUARE BRACKET] [U+2014 EM DASH] [U+003E GREATER-THAN SIGN] [U+002B PLUS SIGN] [U+003C LESS-THAN SIGN] [U+005D RIGHT SQUARE BRACKET] [U+003E GREATER-THAN SIGN] < 1472699312 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :EM DASH < 1472699320 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ashura: THAT'S EVIL < 1472699327 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm... < 1472699335 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf ----[---->+<]>++.--[----->+<]>.-----------.[-->+<]>---.---.+++[->+++<]>++. < 1472699335 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ash1.• < 1472699344 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf ----[---->+<]>++.--[----->+<]>.-----------.[--->+<]>---.---.+++[->+++<]>++. < 1472699344 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ashura < 1472699347 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there you go < 1472699393 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ashura: your --- got turned into an em dash by some too-clever editor, me thinks. < 1472699510 0 :Ashura!328bfcaf@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.139.252.175 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1472699549 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ಠ_ಠ < 1472699630 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :my curse of bad timing hits again. now food -> < 1472699850 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1472700144 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there an alt-left? < 1472700219 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Liberal conservatism is a political ideology combining conservative policies with liberal stances" < 1472700313 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So... "The gays should be allowed to get married, and if President, I promise to get Congress to pass a law defining marriage as between one man, one woman, with additional taxes every year the mother isn't Pregnant or actively raising a child under the age of 4, and both must be virgins" < 1472700489 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is not an alt-left < 1472700578 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Traditionalist Liberalism" < 1472700600 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :alercah: Wait, what about the SJWs? < 1472700635 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :alt-right is a specific group of people who self-identify < 1472700647 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not an "academic" (read: outside) term < 1472700667 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, yes < 1472700704 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :alercah: Well also, the "alt-right" is a branch of the Right with certain distinguishing characteristics < 1472700726 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So the alt-left would be a part of the left with similar (or analogous) characteristics < 1472700738 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :such as racism? < 1472700754 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :alt-right used to be a tiny group of twitter trolls that grew out of gay nazis and gamergate < 1472700755 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1472700764 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bah1 < 1472700767 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Bah! < 1472700774 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was more-or-less a fan of gamergate < 1472700782 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(at least, the general gist of it) < 1472700804 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :now that hillary has mentioned them on a national stage, they are becoming a giant group that will influence american politics for yers to come < 1472700814 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamergate was kind of ok when it was about ethics in journalism < 1472700819 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :the moment it wasn't it should have died < 1472700829 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that is, the moment it was revealed it was false) < 1472700834 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :alercah: Yeah, pretty much < 1472700887 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hillary mentioning "alt-right" on a national stage was giant blunder imo, because now the trump voters have a label that they can carry even if trump loses < 1472700965 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was equivalent to creating a viral meme against your own ideology < 1472700975 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :huge blunder < 1472700992 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The alt-right is associated with white nationalism, white supremacism, antisemitism, right-wing populism, nativism, and the neoreactionary movement < 1472701007 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and anti-feminism < 1472701029 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, I'm anti-feminist and I'm NOT alt-right < 1472701065 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: anyway, the alt right will grow to just mean people who voted for trump in this election < 1472701067 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(assuming feminists in this context mean third wavers. Classical (first-wave, maybe second-wave) feminism is cool.) < 1472701101 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So the alt-left would be overly multicultural/diversity-yay (not to the point of "yeah, diversity is cool", but more "if your thing isn't diverse enough you're a bad person"- affirmative action and such) < 1472701116 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe a raaction to that < 1472701140 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :White responsibilitism (or whatever), which is "today's whites are responsible for our ancestors oppressing today's blacks ancestors, and should have to pay reparation < 1472701143 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :" < 1472701174 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :antisemitism becomes... not sure, yelling "islamophobia" whenever someone criticizes Islam? < 1472701193 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1472701226 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: keep in mind that alt-right isn't a more extreme version of right < 1472701237 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :right-wing populism into... I guess the "if you don't let people freely immigrate from the middle east you're a racist" < 1472701248 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: it rejects many aspects of normal american right-wing < 1472701274 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: It's the right, rotated 15 to 30 degrees clockwise, I think? < 1472701276 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: for example, the alt-right are pro-gay rights < 1472701282 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, really? < 1472701291 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, I thought they were trump supporters... < 1472701303 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought this was libertarians... < 1472701318 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, one of their main proponents is a certain gay reporter named milo yiannopoulos aka "@nero" < 1472701332 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, yes, milo yiannopoulos < 1472701357 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not entirely agreeable, but a lot of the people against him (going around and tearing down posters for his events) are worse < 1472701385 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I guess right-wing populism also becomes "the status quo is necessarily bad" < 1472701395 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Preserving the status quo isn't a bad thing when you have a utopia < 1472701459 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nativism becomes... I guess "immigrants should have a favored status to native citizens", but I don't think even the SJWs have that... < 1472701555 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, yeah, I share about... 40% of conflicted opinions with him? < 1472701612 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julie_Bindel < 1472701613 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow < 1472701633 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :She has an organization that "helps women who have been prosecuted for killing violent male partners." < 1472701640 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, sure, but what if the genders are inverted? < 1472701730 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah abusive relationships are one of the few cases where there's actual legitimate sexism in favour of women < 1472701754 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc they cut roughtly equally both ways < 1472702081 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1472702626 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1472702664 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to remember hearing that the Violence Against Women Act established that law enforcement has to use a specific test to determine action in domestic abuse calls < 1472702673 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it assumes the guilt of a man, innocence of a woman < 1472702681 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I've never been able to find such a thing < 1472702708 0 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1472702715 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1472703765 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :"8) NONEXCLUSIVITY.—Nothing in this title shall be construed < 1472703766 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :to prohibit male victims of domestic violence, dating < 1472703766 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :violence, sexual assault, and stalking from receiving benefits < 1472703766 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :and services under this title. < 1472703772 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1472706509 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1472708308 0 :incomprehensibly!sid3405@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nergoytgznqfjyik QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1472708482 0 :incomprehensibly!sid3405@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-pygnylpuyhtlsykh JOIN :#esoteric < 1472709098 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1472710145 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Poe's law is kind of stupid < 1472710155 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, people can identify satire when they see it online < 1472710159 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :People aren't THAT stupid < 1472710183 0 :Hoolootwo!~Hoolootwo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is 100% possible to troll so hard that nobody notices < 1472710337 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not so sure of either < 1472710359 0 :lynn!sid154965@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-pqykwtkqrnnqqnvv QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1472710504 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll just assume hppavilion[1] is applying poe's law to itself. < 1472710583 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, i thought the point was that it is 100% possible to have so crazy really opinions that everybody suspects you're doing satire. < 1472710590 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*real < 1472710594 0 :lynn_!sid154965@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nplfhfdyfkzojemh JOIN :#esoteric < 1472710636 0 :Hoolootwo!~Hoolootwo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, which is functionally very similar to having really crazy satire and everybody suspecting you have really crazy opinions < 1472710641 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know, i'm starting to tire of how irssi shows only part of the line i'm writing, so i keep making these garden path errors. < 1472710655 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Well, that's a possible Corollary to Poe's law, but it doesn't directly follow < 1472710676 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: it's not a corollary, it's a lemma that's part of its proof hth < 1472710684 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it? < 1472710689 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it could be < 1472710725 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :We must also assume that trolls are indistinguishable from genuine believers beyond content (so trolls don't just have linguistic flags or somesuch) < 1472710749 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1472710757 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not always the case < 1472710817 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :many people troll without enough depth of knowledge to be convincing. < 1472710864 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What sufficiently advanced thing is indistinguishable from /dark/ magic? < 1472710884 0 :Hoolootwo!~Hoolootwo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :light magic, duh < 1472710897 0 :Hoolootwo!~Hoolootwo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION poofs < 1472710898 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Actuarial science?) < 1472710911 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: grey goo hth < 1472710941 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I build world-eating nanobots, I will make sure they are hot pink < 1472710945 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No one will ever see it coming < 1472710955 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, artificial black holes. < 1472710963 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's pretty dark. < 1472711159 0 :Hoolootwo!~Hoolootwo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :except the people here will see it coming < 1472711164 0 :Hoolootwo!~Hoolootwo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to kill us first < 1472711277 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :just spread a virus that modifies color vision first < 1472711282 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION reaches for his swatter, but then realized he is not oerjan < 1472711295 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION prays he didn't mix up oerjan and \oren\ again < 1472711320 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you didnt < 1472711329 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has no idea how people mix us up, anyway. < 1472711360 0 :Hoolootwo!~Hoolootwo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you have nearly identically-pronounced names < 1472711379 0 :Hoolootwo!~Hoolootwo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :as long as you don't speak english hth < 1472711394 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :❄ping < 1472711394 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1472711434 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1472711445 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean as long as you _do_ speak english. < 1472711456 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :One is an oer*n and the other is an ore*n < 1472711510 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, "or-en" and "oh-er-jan (yan?)" are pretty different in English < 1472711519 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But everone on this channel speaks english < 1472711525 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Well, except for the Venezuelans) < 1472711543 0 :Hoolootwo!~Hoolootwo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :I pronounce internet people's names as if they're German and I have no idea why < 1472711555 0 :Hoolootwo!~Hoolootwo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :my first language is english so that's super weird < 1472711559 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hoolootwo: I just don't read them out loud, and pronunciation stays in my head < 1472711567 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, that is pretty weird < 1472711610 0 :Hoolootwo!~Hoolootwo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that too, but I pronounce them in my head (or something?) < 1472711611 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(people sometimes pronounce "hppavilion1" as "hap-pavilion one"; it should be pronounced "H. P. pavilion one" < 1472711662 0 :Hoolootwo!~Hoolootwo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd have to know about Hewlett-Packard to get it right on the first try < 1472711693 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This year there are no rules. There are, however, a whole bunch of brutal laws, traditions, commandments, and decrees, plus some rules." < 1472711706 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hoolootwo: Yeah, and no one will know about that soon < 1472711715 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The business will die, and I'll swoop in and buy the trademark < 1472711779 0 :Hoolootwo!~Hoolootwo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I should buy their calculator division < 1472711786 0 :Hoolootwo!~Hoolootwo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently still a thing? < 1472712096 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd recommend getting their addition and multiplication too < 1472712172 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1472712353 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1472712407 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1472712555 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1472712802 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1472712828 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1472713306 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what will happen if I do this: < 1472713348 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1472713391 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently nothing < 1472713425 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` perl -e 'print"\357\277\276"' < 1472713426 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​￾ < 1472713429 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Never think about kid's TV too much. I tried to figure out how the name "Uncle Grandpa" works.) < 1472713479 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(your parents would need to be an uncle/niece or aunt/nephew pair, with UG the sibling of one and the parent of the other) < 1472713483 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` perl -e 'print"\357\277\276\302\244"' < 1472713483 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​￾¤ < 1472713508 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently irssi is unaware that FFFE isn't a valid character < 1472713545 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I will need a glyph for it in my font < 1472713657 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is a "non-character" but still valid < 1472714316 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: my uncle once was married to my aunt's boyfriend's daughter, that _almost_ makes my aunt both aunt and grandma to some of my cousins hth < 1472714336 0 :Froox!~Frooxius@194.108.5.201 JOIN :#esoteric < 1472714443 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and i guess her boyfriend was both uncle and grandpa, then. < 1472714460 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(almost. i don't think they got married.) < 1472714492 0 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@194.108.5.201 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1472714493 0 :keemyb!keemyb@gateway/shell/fnordserver.eu/x-vpnfxjgxudgspgzn QUIT :Quit: https://fnordserver.eu < 1472714493 0 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1472714520 0 :ineiros!ineiros@kapsi.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1472714533 0 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1472714542 0 :ineiros!~itniemin@kapsi.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1472714844 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1472714891 0 :MoALTz!~no@78-11-247-26.static.ip.netia.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1472715460 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :writing a sort(1) is hard x.x < 1472715464 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :the key part < 1472715922 0 :keemyb!keemyb@gateway/shell/fnordserver.eu/x-ywkcvltsnknbdxlb JOIN :#esoteric < 1472716788 0 :carado!~carado@2a01:e34:ec1e:2390:8341:b3f5:2d6:41fa JOIN :#esoteric < 1472717135 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: with tons of options? < 1472717139 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just the buffering scheme? < 1472717205 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe GNU sort (and probably others) is using mergesort with a certain amount of data buffered for the potentially faster algorithm < 1472717281 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/coreutils.git/tree/src/sort.c ...and holy cow it's a lot of code < 1472717335 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, external sorting... perallel sorting... lots of code to support various key comparisons... it all adds up < 1472717349 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(just looking at the manpage) < 1472717362 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh god < 1472717366 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just learned about Democratic White House High School AU, < 1472717367 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :the annoying part is that each key can be sorted indipendently < 1472717374 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :why haven't I used sort -h < 1472717374 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks like it was on Livejournal, and I can't access it < 1472717382 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the idea is amazing(ly funny) < 1472717388 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, you can sort key 1 numerically, then one alphabetically in reverse order, etc < 1472717389 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the real world, but in a high school setting < 1472717429 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :and e.g. you can do -k1.4,1.7n < 1472717440 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :which sorts numerically on the first key from character 4 to 7 < 1472717456 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you have a key description and an interpreter for it... perhaps 70 lines of code in addition to the basic comparisons? < 1472717458 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(changing the idea a bit for more funny), typical politicians are students, the Media forms teachers ("Who do you have for FTFO?" "Mr. Stewart") < 1472717492 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: the rest of my sort is ~130 lines so adding 70 is a lot < 1472717540 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Teachers might be former presidents...) < 1472717546 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :US government in a high school. I would love that. < 1472717560 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't forget to sort according to the current locale < 1472717567 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION . o O ( I should join the school's student government. As Secretary of Defence. ) < 1472717687 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], my uni's SU once had a pirate president < 1472717721 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's an SU? < 1472717737 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :super user < 1472717821 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :special unitary group < 1472717876 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Student Union < 1472718064 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the most boring answer award goes to... < 1472718192 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Soviet Union! < 1472718194 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb invented SU9N0 < 1472718228 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, SU(n) < 1472718354 0 :augur!~augur@c-67-160-198-240.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1472718440 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera, it's not that boring, it used to have a pirate president < 1472718551 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :pirate as in installing photoshop or as in one piece? < 1472718621 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Closer to the latter < 1472718671 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe closer to eight pieces? < 1472718938 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://youtu.be/S3a7Q9GowoQ?t=27 < 1472719381 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently he was fairly good as student union presidents go < 1472719568 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :their acting could use some improvements < 1472719863 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2016/08/keystroke_recog.html creepy < 1472719990 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't everything on that blog creepy? < 1472720191 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :valid point < 1472720418 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-2hj4tbos9tbg6eu137bm7gg6t.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1472720852 0 :augur_!~augur@c-67-160-198-240.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1472720879 0 :augur!~augur@c-67-160-198-240.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1472721038 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: Soviet Union is USSR < 1472721045 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Soviet Russia, USSR is YOU < 1472721054 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oooh, perfect linesync. Yay. < 1472721061 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bah! So close to a triple! < 1472721272 0 :augur!~augur@c-67-160-198-240.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1472721317 0 :augur_!~augur@c-67-160-198-240.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1472721360 0 :augur_!~augur@2601:640:8001:4222:c018:61bc:ca54:ec37 JOIN :#esoteric < 1472721579 0 :augur!~augur@c-67-160-198-240.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1472722752 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1472723242 0 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1472723474 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1472723697 0 :yorick_!~yorick@oftn/oswg-member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1472723929 0 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-088-078-251-116.088.078.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :*.net *.split < 1472723929 0 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/oswg-member/yorick QUIT :*.net *.split < 1472723929 0 :deltab!~deltab@ds6266.dedicated.turbodns.co.uk QUIT :*.net *.split < 1472723930 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@de1.ut.deewiant.iki.fi QUIT :*.net *.split < 1472724183 0 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-088-078-251-116.088.078.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1472724183 0 :deltab!~deltab@ds6266.dedicated.turbodns.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1472724268 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@de1.ut.deewiant.iki.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1472725143 0 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1472725247 0 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1472725646 0 :augur_!~augur@2601:640:8001:4222:c018:61bc:ca54:ec37 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1472725983 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1472726602 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, can you ead MFT? < 1472726602 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: ( fnord object object message args)) would be the < 1472726638 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: it's not quite *that* simple < 1472726638 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: eval ( call-with-values ( lambda ( x) x < 1472726658 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1472726660 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :eurovision//Eurovision is the European way of looking at the world. For some reason it involves a lot of cheesy singing. < 1472726749 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`bardsworthlist http://www.bardsworth.com/?comic=man-to-man < 1472726749 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bardsworthlist http://www.bardsworth.com/?comic=man-to-man: b_jonas < 1472726802 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice! Savage Chickens is celebrating its 3000th strip < 1472727853 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1472728717 0 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1472729056 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1472729768 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1472732906 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: MACRO CHICKEN < 1472733045 0 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1472733741 0 :Akaibu!uid118096@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qkylfnjoswuxxxja QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1472734818 0 :Akaibu!uid118096@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jdmleuxjlcustcuj JOIN :#esoteric < 1472736015 0 :Reece`!~Ner@cpc4-wiga13-2-0-cust799.18-3.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1472736951 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`make < 1472736952 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :make: *** No targets specified and no makefile found. Stop. < 1472736968 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` make it stop < 1472736968 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :make: *** No rule to make target `it'. Stop. < 1472737231 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think make wants you to stop < 1472737238 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :could be wrong though < 1472737623 0 :APNG!soniex2@unaffiliated/soniex2 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1472737780 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` make $'\bdead' < 1472737782 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :make: *** No rule to make target `dead'. Stop. < 1472738147 0 :lynn_!?@? NICK :lynn < 1472738166 0 :lynn!sid154965@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nplfhfdyfkzojemh QUIT :Changing host < 1472738166 0 :lynn!sid154965@unaffiliated/lynn JOIN :#esoteric < 1472738166 0 :lynn!sid154965@unaffiliated/lynn QUIT :Changing host < 1472738166 0 :lynn!sid154965@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nplfhfdyfkzojemh JOIN :#esoteric < 1472738276 0 :MDead!?@? NICK :MDude < 1472738793 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1472739296 0 :Kaynato!~Aedile@casewireless03.CWRU.Edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1472739359 0 :staffehn_!~quassel@2001:41d0:52:d00::1d3 QUIT :Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds. < 1472739385 0 :staffehn!~quassel@2001:41d0:52:d00::1d3 JOIN :#esoteric < 1472739538 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://gist.github.com/forairan/b1143f42883b3b0ee1237bc9bd0b7b2c < 1472739616 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, did you know I'm older than Linux? < 1472739616 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: presumably you read the sisc documentation doesn't seem to work together is to convince some pirate that acm actually stores porn. main difference being in the same running sisc process? < 1472739627 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT < 1472739644 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: nothing to brag. i am as old as perl! < 1472739707 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: you can you tell? nobody knows how old perl is, because the history of perl before perl 1 is classified. < 1472739744 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :based on the release date noted on wikipedia < 1472740057 0 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1472740336 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@207-237-117-115.c3-0.nyr-ubr1.nyr.ny.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1472740780 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1472742103 0 :Kaynato!~Aedile@casewireless03.CWRU.Edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1472743224 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1472743607 0 :Guest15977!~qdwdq@cm-84.213.210.92.getinternet.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1472745153 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`card-by-name sigarda's < 1472745154 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sigarda's Aid \ W \ Enchantment \ You may cast Aura and Equipment spells as though they had flash. \ Whenever an Equipment enters the battlefield under your control, you may attach it to target creature you control. \ EMN-R < 1472746624 0 :Reece`!~Ner@cpc4-wiga13-2-0-cust799.18-3.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1472747512 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Falcon 9 exploded on launchpad < 1472747538 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :payload lost, launch tower probably also lost < 1472747579 0 :Froox!~Frooxius@194.108.5.201 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1472747667 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: an investigation will be launched < 1472747761 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in happier news, FF F8 F4 08 00 E5 16 7F FF 80 00 7F FF 03 C0 47 5A! < 1472747815 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are those numbers for? < 1472747828 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` xxd -rp <<<"FF F8 F4 08 00 E5 16 7F FF 80 00 7F FF 03 C0 47 5A" < 1472747829 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​...............................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................øô.åÿ€.ÿÀGZ < 1472747846 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` xxd -r -p <<<"FF F8 F4 08 00 E5 16 7F FF 80 00 7F FF 03 C0 47 5A" < 1472747846 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ÿøô.åÿ€.ÿÀGZ < 1472747856 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: er what? < 1472747864 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's that mean? < 1472747868 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I give a hint? < 1472747878 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1472747913 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1472747924 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` xxd -r -p <<<"FF F8 F4 08 00 E5 16 7F FF 80 00 7F FF 03 C0 47 5A" >gunzip - < 1472747926 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1472747929 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Do alert me when you want the hint. < 1472747931 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` xxd -r -p <<<"FF F8 F4 08 00 E5 16 7F FF 80 00 7F FF 03 C0 47 5A" |gunzip - < 1472747931 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ \ gzip: stdin: not in gzip format < 1472747940 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert < 1472747942 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rm: cannot remove `/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/env/.hg/store/data/canary.orig': Is a directory \ Done. < 1472747971 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: Want the hint, or not? < 1472747980 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: that looks like an MPEG header < 1472747983 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can give the hint < 1472747990 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So close with MPEG! < 1472747999 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact, they explicitly did things to the sync code, < 1472748008 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's probably not a whole MPEG file (or some trivially empty one), it's too small for that < 1472748009 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that an MPEG decoder would NOT get it confused. < 1472748009 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's jpeg? < 1472748014 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not JPEG, either. < 1472748040 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also note that this format usually has framing, but if you pass it to the decoder, it'll accept it anyway. < 1472748064 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: not jpeg < 1472748106 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@207-237-117-115.c3-0.nyr-ubr1.nyr.ny.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1472748118 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: is it a bug test case, as in, a file that gets some mpeg player or other program confused and crash or something? < 1472748122 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope. < 1472748129 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1472748138 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a totally legitimate file, if you discount the lack of header. < 1472748160 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1472748215 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: apparently it might be an audio-only file < 1472748221 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep! It is! < 1472748225 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :My own computer says AAC (although I have no program to play such a file) < 1472748231 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope, not AAC. < 1472748271 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have a speaker here, so I can't listen to it < 1472748279 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have Audacity? < 1472748291 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it does seem to start to play without errors < 1472748304 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want to cheat, Audacity should open it, though if it'll recognize it without the right file extension... < 1472748315 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently it's a very small audio file you can actually play < 1472748317 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :vlc says it's mp4a < 1472748319 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :smaller than I expected < 1472748331 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Look, if it's 4.096 seconds, then you have the right format. < 1472748338 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: no, it's flac < 1472748343 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas wins! < 1472748351 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't know what it contains < 1472748365 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :SoX fails to determine the type. I do not have Audacity. < 1472748366 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I messed around until it sounded OK. < 1472748376 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It kind of sounds like a radio being tuned or something. < 1472748377 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: but how can it be so small? < 1472748387 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I manually tuned the LPC parameters! < 1472748394 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then looked at what comes out! < 1472748399 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I did say I omitted the header. < 1472748401 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's LPC < 1472748403 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1472748413 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. Something about "linear prediction". < 1472748422 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it's just flac without a container, but that's fine, I'm used to such media files < 1472748430 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :vlc doesn't play it with file extention flac < 1472748437 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need containers if you want to seek or have multiple streams or metadata or such things < 1472748450 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You may need a container to play it with some media players < 1472748463 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can put it in a container if you want, it shouldn't be too hard to engineer one < 1472748468 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: some media players probably can't play it no matter what < 1472748476 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, some media players don't play FLAC at all < 1472748489 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Well, that's no fun! < 1472748499 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: I could put it to a container too, but the wonderful part is how small it is, and that would be lost < 1472748514 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can play FLAC on my computer but I don't know if it might not play without the header? < 1472748523 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Audacity will load it, < 1472748533 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have Audacity < 1472748539 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and for some formats, you need a container to explicitly tell what the video framerate is, because the video format only stores a sequence of images without timestamps or framerate < 1472748548 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also: flac -d test.flac < 1472748551 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That should work < 1472748559 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: oh by the way, I wanted to ask, < 1472748560 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What options do I need for SoX to load it? If I write -t flac then it says sampling rate was not specified < 1472748574 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Again, use flac -d, or prepend a header. < 1472748577 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: could you figure out that css html multi-columns thing? < 1472748583 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: should I give a hint about the sound file? < 1472748590 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: No I did not figure out the HTML multi-columns < 1472748615 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK give the hint; it seems SoX won't load it though < 1472748620 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: A hint about the sound file? It's FLAC. You all know that now :) < 1472748629 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :SoX probably wants a container. < 1472748629 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: about how to play or convert < 1472748631 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: play with ffplay (of ffmpeg) < 1472748648 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ffmpeg is generally the best to load strange or partly broken media files < 1472748655 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it will open stuff other programs won't < 1472748660 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it has a nice visualization, too < 1472748663 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can also use ffmpeg to put it to a container probably < 1472748678 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: -c copy will do it without even losing the size < 1472748682 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I think) < 1472748708 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or... not. < 1472748718 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: you still need a container, any container must add to the size < 1472748738 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, yeah, but it'll still remain smaller than if it was reencoded < 1472748751 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose I will have to install those programs if I want to be able to play such file. (Fortunately I can install them; they are included in the package manager) < 1472748751 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least if it wasn't failing because ffmpeg (unlike ffplay) doesn't like it... < 1472748932 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :successfully converted to mp3 < 1472748966 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have found a problem with writing a header - it requires me to decode the file to get the MD5. < 1472749042 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: mind you, ffplay also thinks the sound is very short < 1472749051 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: How short? < 1472749063 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: 4.096 seconds is correct. < 1472749084 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: dunno, with -autoexit it exits in a blink (definitely under a second) < 1472749099 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :without -autoexit it plays past the end < 1472749104 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not a clue what's going on there then. < 1472749114 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it just doesn't like the lack of a container (and thus a fixed size) < 1472749136 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: right, could guess wrong about something that should be in the container header < 1472749164 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :try naming the file x.flac < 1472749185 0 :Kaynato!~Aedile@casewireless09.cwru.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1472749279 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it not easier to encode silence? < 1472749305 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: that would depend on the format < 1472749350 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :flac has a model for silence < 1472749361 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://xiph.org/flac/format.html#prediction < 1472749367 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, in musical notation, silence and any given note take the same amount od space < 1472749378 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the heck? < 1472749392 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :are there two people in here who play with the details of the flac format? < 1472749394 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's this channel? < 1472749447 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a channel for digital esotericism < 1472749457 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :does playing since two minutes ago count? < 1472749474 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :flac frame format: now playing < 1472749496 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: it may be easier to encode silence, but that's less fun < 1472749530 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, there's a specific subframe type for "absolutely nothing but one sample for however long" < 1472749540 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't make it a good idea, though. < 1472749546 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess this signal is the raw prediction out of one of the more advanced predictors? < 1472749566 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's used for encoding, well, actual digital silence < 1472749581 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: exactly, so it's no fun < 1472749608 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :like between singles < 1472749629 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: SUBFRAME_FIXED, order 3 (the missing -1 on _FIXED is NOT a documentation error), warmup 0x7FFF, 0x8000, 0x7FFF, no residual. < 1472749686 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I say "no residual", what I mean is, RICE-1, partition order 0, escape code, 0-bit. Apparently no residual is a rare enough case they had to make it take 15 bits to encode. < 1472749797 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: this might explain why the length isn't known and ffplay assumes it's very short < 1472749806 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but keeps continuing to play < 1472749822 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: No, it has a length. < 1472749831 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The length of it is described as the block size. < 1472749840 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :32768 samples. < 1472749842 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :the reason for that is probably because there is no flac metadata < 1472749880 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: ok < 1472750061 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, adding the header and double-checking it's correct makes Audacity act differently (it's somehow making it 1-bit) < 1472750069 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure what's going on there < 1472750075 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ffplay is fine with it though < 1472750094 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and VLC... < 1472750117 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 bit is p cool < 1472750175 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, except I set the file to 16-bit. I think 8-bit is possible but I had some issues with it, so I just took the path of least resistance. < 1472750222 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, what the... the sample dots aren't even showing up < 1472750229 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like it amped it up too high < 1472750269 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, Audacity amped it up too high < 1472750293 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's 1-bit due to clipping < 1472750397 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still, for anyone who wants to waste a bunch of extra bytes, < 1472750445 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: No route to host < 1472750447 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the header is... < 1472750452 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my goodness, that is one long header < 1472750462 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :00: 66 4c 61 43 80 00 00 22 80 00 80 00 00 00 00 00 < 1472750470 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :10: 00 00 01 f4 00 f0 00 00 80 00 1c 06 a4 4c 0f 38 < 1472750479 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :20: bc 47 61 ab 33 ce 65 76 04 b1 < 1472750485 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1472750492 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the actual frame: < 1472750514 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :2A: ff f8 f4 08 00 e5 16 7f ff 80 00 7f ff 03 c0 47 5a < 1472750543 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you overlap the md5 entry with the frame itself < 1472750559 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1472750569 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's unfortunate < 1472750571 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if you had an MD5 that ended in FF F8 < 1472750582 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: can you use some other container? < 1472750586 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks like the metadata header is fixed-size < 1472750597 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can use vorbis, but that is going to be even bigger < 1472750612 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :vorbis is a totally different codec, and if you mean Ogg, that will be tons bigger < 1472750626 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you'll get the Ogg page headers, supplementary headers dragged in by FLAC < 1472750655 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just tested, the result was 202 bytes < 1472750664 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, now SoX recognizes it as FLAC, but says error whilst decoding metadata < 1472750703 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: working fine for me on SoX... < 1472750708 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, SoX "play", anyway < 1472750743 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :keep in mind the 00 / 10 / 20 / 2A are just address info < 1472750769 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I know that < 1472750777 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not a clue, then. < 1472750808 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The header should be 42 bytes, the frame should be 17. < 1472750887 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I have apparently created an unpausable FLAC file, or at least in VLC anyway. Plus, the Ogg-container version won't load in VLC. < 1472750941 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Replacing "xxd -r -p" with "utftovlq 48" has the same result and still doesn't work. < 1472750956 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1472750958 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I also tried both of these versions with hd, and the data is same as above in both cases.) < 1472750960 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe double-check the hexdump? < 1472750965 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1472750969 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, no clue then < 1472751020 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's fun to see webpages with between 500 and 30000 pages all numbered with continuous indexes in the url, and a table of contents that ALMOST covers a range of natural numbers for the indexes < 1472751020 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :here's it without any room for error, just in case I messed up: < 1472751026 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :00000000 66 4c 61 43 80 00 00 22 80 00 80 00 00 00 00 00 |fLaC..."........| < 1472751026 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :00000010 00 00 01 f4 00 f0 00 00 80 00 1c 06 a4 4c 0f 38 |.............L.8| < 1472751026 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :00000020 bc 47 61 ab 33 ce 65 76 04 b1 ff f8 f4 08 00 e5 |.Ga.3.ev........| < 1472751026 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :00000030 16 7f ff 80 00 7f ff 03 c0 47 5a |.........GZ| < 1472751031 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can look at what the hidden pages missing from the table of contents are < 1472751098 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is exactly what I have. < 1472751109 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has no clue what is wrong with the file < 1472751123 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :AH! "MD5 signature mismatch" < 1472751124 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :somehow < 1472751133 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :somehow I wrote the MD5 signature incorrectly into the file < 1472751219 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so now I'm going to have to find some way of making absolutely sure I cut up this WAV file in exactly the right way, including endianness, < 1472751228 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that I get the right MD5 at the end of it < 1472751263 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be nice if the "Other Uncompressed Files" option in Audacity wasn't making this harder by omitting important information. To SoX! < 1472751280 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(via the "flac" command-line tool) < 1472751383 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(some copying and pasting, especially of ",0x", later...) < 1472751423 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ERROR: md5 signature mismatch. < 1472751475 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reversing the signature migh---ERROR: md5 signature mismatch. < 1472751492 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, do players actually check the md5 digest < 1472751522 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the "flac" command-line tool does, and goodness knows how far that mess has spread < 1472751537 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :after all, it's basically a self-test to ensure the decoder's working correctly < 1472751544 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess libflac might < 1472751557 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise you could end up with *gasp* slightly modified audio data! < 1472751663 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :In this case, half of the hidden pages are broken, and half are apparently omitted because the code making the toc is broken < 1472751718 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that can't be good for research. < 1472751804 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: yes, it's a nice way to make automatic self-tests for unusual configurations (eg. strange operating systems or compilation options) < 1472751865 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A passing neutron hit their FLAC files, and modifying a VERBATIM segment, it became... not the true audio!" < 1472751894 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(All scientific inaccuracies intentional.) < 1472751908 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: no, seriously, it's for detecting bugs that only come up when both the system is unusual and the file is. those bugs wouldn't normally be reported, because people would just assume the audio file they're playing is broken. < 1472751943 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fair enough, though if both the system and the file are unusual, fun may occur. < 1472751982 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, if the system is unusual enough that something goes wrong in the decoder, it's pretty bad from a "completely, 100%, lossless" standpoint. < 1472751990 0 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@82.144.205.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1472752276 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop making fun of people who merely want bit-for-bit reproduction of their rick rubin albums < 1472752598 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Idea of new Magic: the Gathering card: The next time a nontoken Aura dies this turn, you may cast it. < 1472752602 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't know what cost or name) < 1472753008 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: I'm more concerned about signal processing, where there may be a good use case for lossless files. < 1472753286 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/block14]]4 block10 02 5* 03Oerjan 5* 10blocked [[02User:199.15.233.15610]] with an expiry time of 1 year (anonymous users only, account creation disabled): Spamming links to external sites < 1472753455 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1472753890 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: right, video/music editing would produce very bad results if every operation involved decoding and reencoding with lossage < 1472754300 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://youtu.be/_BgJEXQkjNQ < 1472754332 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems that the upper stage oxygen tank may have exploded, which caused the rest to fail < 1472754386 0 :rodgort!~rodgort@68.ip-149-56-14.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1472754542 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey < 1472754545 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've got a problem < 1472754560 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i found some non-gpl code with a comment "[...] copied from linux" < 1472754573 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :which in this case is likely to refer to glibc < 1472754589 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i don't know how old a version of glibc < 1472754603 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do < 1472754677 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where is this code, and why are you using it? < 1472754766 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :suppose i don't/can't show it < 1472754817 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i found it < 1472754819 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was glibc < 1472754827 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :what should i do now? < 1472754860 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well... if it's under uncertain legal terms, why is it in the codebase? < 1472755396 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's complicated < 1472755424 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Under this scenario, I'd probably excise it from the codebase if at all possible. < 1472755433 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 JOIN :#esoteric < 1472755451 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it's a routine from glibc, though, it may be possible to simply refer to the routine. < 1472755456 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it's actually accessible... < 1472755457 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: is it in code that you intend to eventually distribute, as opposed to code you're just using in house? < 1472755475 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is JOIN :#esoteric < 1472755475 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has already been distributed < 1472755497 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*gulp* < 1472755505 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: try to contact its author or maintainer maybe? < 1472755525 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it being distributed as source? < 1472755528 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1472755535 0 :FireFly!~firefly@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ick. < 1472755539 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks at wob_jonas < 1472755545 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we will not speak of this. understood? < 1472755572 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There. Problem solved. And now for a 100-verse scrawl on beer. < 1472755578 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :99 bottles of beer, sitting on the wall < 1472755583 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: maybe look at whether it's copied to glibc from some other source that is under a less restricted license? < 1472755590 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh what < 1472755595 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or whether you can find a replacement code that does something similar < 1472755598 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that even a thing? < 1472755603 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :99 bottles of beer, sitting on the wall, and if one should happen, to accidentally fall.. < 1472755615 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: why not? you can try to look at comments in the file in glibc in case they tell that < 1472755679 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if glibc has such pieces of code, but it certainly happens in other gpl-ed software < 1472755686 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what the free software licenses are for < 1472755707 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I personally would use a force-push to try and excise it's very existence, and then have it under a gentleperson's agreement that nobody says anything. Push the existence of the glibc code down the memory hole. < 1472755723 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or just cover it up. < 1472755727 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But probably the first. < 1472755744 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seriously, though, if it's already in released builds, and it's actually GPL'd code, there is nothing you can do. < 1472755772 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's been in released builds for several years < 1472755782 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That does not help matters. < 1472755806 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Given you said there's no source distribution going on, it's probably already a violation of the GPL. < 1472755828 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you'll probably want to remove the code ASAP and pretend it never existed. < 1472755871 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because, you know, writing "Oh we were violating the GPL but we fixed that now" into a changelog is not a good idea. < 1472755930 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: why not? < 1472755935 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i figured that < 1472755951 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: I'm assuming izabera's priorities involve keeping a job. < 1472756116 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, izabera, never tell us who you work for. Ever. < 1472756153 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't say that this is happening where i work < 1472756183 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, ok. It just seemed that way, given the whole "released binary only product going for several years" thing < 1472756501 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: great, you get this plausible deniability thing < 1472756513 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nInE nIn botLs uv bEr on Du wol, nInE nIn botLs uv bEr. if wun uv Dos botLs Sud hapN tU fol, nInE At botLs uv bEr on Du wol < 1472756546 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds like a rather tipsy transcription < 1472756548 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mind you, since you already said it's not distributed as a source, but you read a source comment, so there aren't that many possibilities remaining < 1472756567 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: in what way? < 1472756660 0 :rodgort!~rodgort@68.ip-149-56-14.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1472756678 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1472756701 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I guess some people pronounce ninety nIndE and not nInE < 1472756785 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, since my dialect doesn't have t in botLs it should just be boLs < 1472756798 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or perhaps bolLs < 1472756811 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :balls to the walls < 1472756835 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :bodLs perhaps? < 1472756851 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that's the closest approximation < 1472757176 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea why but toronto english seems to slur the hell out of everything < 1472757294 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-76.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1472757317 0 :Kaynato!~Aedile@casewireless09.cwru.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1472757349 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :slR Du hel Wt uv evrETiG < 1472757368 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in less sane happier news, apparently warmup 6000 5FFF 6000 5FFF creates random noise. < 1472757381 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somehow. < 1472757408 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except it's not quite random noise. < 1472757434 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's little circles here and there showing it was at some point meant to resemble sound. < 1472757448 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it somehow tricking the decoder into reading uninitialized memory < 1472757453 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1472757455 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hopefully not < 1472757459 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least, not as far as I know, anyway. < 1472757476 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I just upload a screenshot of it in Audacity? < 1472757481 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1472757484 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it explains more than anything else what's going on... < 1472757500 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1472757526 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phelltom_Hellover < 1472757569 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: apparently 6000 5FFF 6000 5FFF in a flac file creates random looking noise < 1472757586 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :very good? < 1472757594 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj is investigating this < 1472757616 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, not so much random looking < 1472757624 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :when you look at it it's clearly not random < 1472757646 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :random sounding then < 1472757675 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/21184720/butterfly.png < 1472757703 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure there's some overflows involved here. < 1472757704 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No idea why. < 1472757777 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also it's not just those 8 bytes < 1472757790 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those are just the warmup constants I used, you have to have the stuff around them < 1472757810 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The total FLAC frame is 18 bytes < 1472757841 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FF F8 F4 08 00 E5 18 60 00 5F FF 60 00 5F FF 03 C0 FC 5C < 1472757882 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's interesting that it acts kind of like it has a "velocity" of some sort < 1472757902 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then the "velocity" gets so high that it just acts like a decrement instead of an increment < 1472757990 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's also a bit where it actually stops sounding like noise < 1472758003 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's at 2.048s < 1472758009 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly half way in < 1472758016 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then it goes back to being noise again < 1472758041 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :course, it's only 0.01 long, so it's just a click before it gets back to being noise-like again < 1472758110 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's just the fractional part of a polynomial, isn't it < 1472758127 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: not exaclty < 1472758145 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: no, it's exponential, sort of like those quadratic recursion random generators < 1472758153 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the thing has a cusp when its slope get high wnough < 1472758236 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet it's something like x+=v;v+=a;x=x%1; < 1472758240 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-76.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1472758277 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-76.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1472758282 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or x = x & 0xFFFF < 1472758285 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :most likely < 1472758300 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :v is some sort of wraparound int < 1472758319 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would explain why the value suddenly switches direction < 1472758386 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in other news, for some reason, yesterday I decided to make a crappy calculator < 1472758701 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :❄ocal 4 4+ < 1472758708 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :surely this is fairly easy to work out by brute force < 1472758724 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :just track through how the flac algorithm decodes those bytes < 1472758736 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :more fun to theorize < 1472758742 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, you could just look at the code < 1472758750 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the file doesn't even use complicated coefficients, < 1472758758 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a SUBFRAME_FIXED < 1472758760 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :order 4 < 1472758804 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the graph you posted is clearly a smooth curve modulo something < 1472758822 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :❄ocal 4 4+ < 1472758843 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the weird thing is < 1472758849 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's something that looks like a sine wave in it < 1472758858 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not a sine wave < 1472758871 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :at 1.873, len 0.009 < 1472758876 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :❄ocal 4 4+ < 1472758887 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: there always is, in a periodic function < 1472758901 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in any function really < 1472758912 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :according to Fourier < 1472758938 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj, imo try lifting those samples you have to see the underlying curve < 1472758972 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1472759008 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :❄ocal 4 4+ < 1472759093 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: what? < 1472759106 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :❄ocal 4 4+ < 1472759106 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 4+ < 1472759114 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :testing this stupid calculator < 1472759129 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not working < 1472759160 0 :APNG!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 JOIN :#esoteric < 1472759172 0 :APNG!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh btw anyone wanna try an IRC-based esolang? https://github.com/SoniEx2/CTCP-S/blob/master/ctcp-s.md#sub < 1472759172 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :❄ocal 4 4+ < 1472759175 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but that was fairly clear after the first few failed attempts < 1472759189 0 :APNG!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should be turing-complete, that is you should be able to write a brainfuck interpreter using CTCP-S SUB < 1472759195 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it says "irssi: not enough parameters given" < 1472759200 0 :APNG!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*should* < 1472759225 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I don't know why < 1472759263 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello APNG. < 1472759292 0 :APNG!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's basically a C preprocessor derivative btw) < 1472759297 0 :APNG!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi gamemanj < 1472759353 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :❄ocal 4 4+p < 1472759353 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :8 < 1472759363 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :❄ocal 4 4+ < 1472759366 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: yes, but these are very obvious sine waves: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/21184720/butterfly_detail.png < 1472759380 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@207-237-117-115.c3-0.nyr-ubr1.nyr.ny.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1472759387 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's occurring in the line that prints the output < 1472759397 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :❄ocal 4 3+= < 1472759410 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ocal 2 19+ < 1472759411 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :$server->command("msg $target ". botscript($message)); < 1472759419 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :%ocal 14 7- < 1472759429 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :❄ocal 4 4+. < 1472759431 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1472759438 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1472759445 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's charapcter number 8 < 1472759479 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah! < 1472759481 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I see, irssi doesn't let me output nothing < 1472759498 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not? nothing is something < 1472759500 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :❄ocal 4 48+. < 1472759500 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 < 1472759500 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and something is nothin < 1472759504 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*nothing < 1472759509 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The IRC server won't let you to send a blank message, but you can send a message containing only places. < 1472759511 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/places/spaces/ < 1472759514 0 :augur!~augur@2601:640:8001:4222:190a:af7:6c72:8c1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1472759555 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can get oren banned by sending "❄ocal 4 3+."! < 1472759581 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :❄ocal 4 4+p < 1472759581 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :☃ 8 < 1472759594 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there, a snowman before the actal output < 1472759602 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :❄ocal 4 4+ < 1472759602 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :☃ < 1472759633 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: the bot's trigger character is a snowflake < 1472759680 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :❄ocal 2 19+ < 1472759680 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :☃ < 1472759686 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :❄ocal 2 9+ < 1472759687 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :☃ < 1472759689 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :❄ocal 2 4+ < 1472759690 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :☃ < 1472759694 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1472759694 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you neep p to output the anwser < 1472759702 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's kind of like dc < 1472759703 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :❄ocal 2 19+p < 1472759704 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :☃ 21 < 1472759705 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah! < 1472759727 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :❄ocal 999 7%p < 1472759727 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :☃ -4 < 1472759731 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :❄ocal 077p < 1472759731 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :☃ 63 < 1472759747 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: it operates on bytes < 1472759808 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :❄ocal 8 4pp < 1472759808 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :☃ 44 < 1472759816 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :❄ocal 8 4pskp < 1472759816 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :☃ 44 < 1472759839 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :❄ocal 8 4 pdpd < 1472759839 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :☃ 48 < 1472759875 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm maybe p shuld just be destructive < 1472759880 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1472759885 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: no < 1472759890 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not destructive in dc < 1472759898 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :very useful for debugging < 1472759912 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should print a newline after the number though < 1472759935 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i added a space < 1472759947 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :❄ocal 8 4pskp < 1472759947 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :☃ 48 < 1472759955 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you? < 1472760004 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :❄ocal 8 4 pdp < 1472760004 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :☃ 4 8 < 1472760033 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm I guess d should be dup. but then i dunno about drop < 1472760049 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: add an s command, that's enough for dropping < 1472760073 0 :APNG!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\, r for remove? < 1472760083 0 :APNG!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or y for yank < 1472760104 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: or a ! command (as in underload) < 1472760114 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: no, we want dc compatibility :-) < 1472760145 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not going to be dc compatible if it acts on bytes < 1472760162 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: yeah, just similar syntax so it's easy to learn < 1472760178 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well for now, y will work < 1472760182 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :❄ocal 3 9p # can I add comments? < 1472760182 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :☃ 9 < 1472760194 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1472760231 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :❄ocal 60 p # p < 1472760232 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :☃ 60 < 1472760233 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :❄ocal 3 9p [maybe just use strings as comments]sk < 1472760233 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :☃ 9 < 1472760242 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't have strings < 1472760251 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :onyl bytes < 1472760304 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :❄ocal 255 1 + p < 1472760304 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :☃ 0 < 1472760306 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-76.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1472760349 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has an @ command however < 1472760367 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :❄ocal 1 2 3 4 5 6 3 @ p < 1472760367 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :☃ 4 < 1472760376 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :❄ocal 1 2 3 4 5 6 2 @ p < 1472760376 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :☃ 5 < 1472760382 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :❄ocal 1 2 3 4 5 6 0 @ p < 1472760382 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :☃ 0 < 1472760440 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, the key feature I'm gonna add is the ability to switch the type the calculator acts on < 1472760453 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :❄ocal _5 < 1472760453 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :☃ < 1472760460 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you could use the D command to switch to doubles < 1472760462 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :❄ocal 251 < 1472760462 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :☃ < 1472760467 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :❄ocal _5p < 1472760468 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :☃ 5 < 1472760470 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :❄ocal 251p < 1472760471 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :☃ -5 < 1472760502 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :❄ 9p < 1472760524 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :❄ocal 105 73+p156 40+p45 187+p227 27+p109 33+p179 16+p241 61+p56 58+p5 89+p5 86+p168 148+p # expect -78 -60 -24 -2 -114 -61 46 114 94 91 -67 -99 < 1472760524 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :☃ -78 -60 -24 -2 -114 -61 46 114 94 91 60 < 1472760589 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :❄ocal 153 37-p156 109-p84 183-p166 147-p219 209-p234 189-p57 214-p157 149-p1 134-p27 220-p116 8-p93 255-p # expect 116 47 -99 19 10 45 99 8 123 63 108 94 < 1472760589 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :☃ -103 -100 84 -90 -37 -22 57 -99 1 27 116 93 < 1472760595 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm no < 1472760623 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :❄ocal 9 2-p < 1472760624 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :☃ 9 < 1472760628 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1472760635 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :❄ocal 9 1-p < 1472760636 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :☃ 9 < 1472760644 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :❄ocal 9 1 -p < 1472760644 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :☃ 9 < 1472760647 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :❄ocal 9 3 -p < 1472760647 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :☃ 9 < 1472760651 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :❄ocal 9 3 |p < 1472760651 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :☃ 11 < 1472760658 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :❄ocal 9 4 |p < 1472760658 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :☃ 13 < 1472760662 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1472760670 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :| is logical or < 1472760686 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :er isn't logical or < 1472760686 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what does - do? < 1472760706 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ei(*c=='-'){s[0]=-s[0];} < 1472760738 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :❄ocal 3 - p < 1472760738 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :☃ 0 < 1472760744 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh? < 1472760762 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The sandbox capability in Node.js isn't very good but I would suggest other way you can by making a JavaScript library for accessing a JavaScript implementation. (V8 is accessed from C++, but my suggestion is a way to make V8 accessible through JavaScript code too.) < 1472760792 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :❄ocal 3 - p < 1472760793 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :☃ -3 < 1472760798 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there we go < 1472760832 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :❄ocal 1 - 077 |p < 1472760832 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :☃ -1 < 1472760837 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :❄ocal 1 - 077 &p < 1472760837 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :☃ 63 < 1472760838 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: what other operations do you have? < 1472760858 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :❄ocal 1 - 077 ^p < 1472760858 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :☃ -64 < 1472760888 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :❄ocal 1 1 = 2 3 = |p < 1472760888 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :☃ 1 < 1472760898 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What would you think of what I wrote about isolated sandbox for JavaScript in JavaScript? < 1472760940 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: not much atm, but I'll be adding various types first < 1472760940 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: sandbox implemented in javascript, or a javascript api to the control sandbox? < 1472761005 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: A JavaScript API to a JavaScript sandbox < 1472761035 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The API would probably be implemented in C++ because that is what V8 requires) < 1472761057 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And V8 would be used because that is what Node.js uses) < 1472761062 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: isn't that already implemented in browsers basically, and essentially invokable some combination of frames and some other stuff? < 1472761093 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or with plugins that let you control the browser from javascript but the pages also have javascript or something < 1472761095 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something like what is in browsers yes, but for Node.js instead of browsers and programmable through JavaScript on the outside too < 1472761115 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Firefox uses XPCOM but that has several problems) < 1472761156 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: will you list the operations this supports somewhere? < 1472761197 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I wonder which operations it should support. Maybe I'll just keep it with bytes but support a lot of byte stuff? < 1472761248 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the u command will undrop < 1472761298 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.orenwatson.be/ocal.c.htm < 1472761463 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :❄ocal 1 2 + u + u + p < 1472761463 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :☃ 7 < 1472761524 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :❄ocal uu+p < 1472761524 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :☃ 0 < 1472761594 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :#define eg else goto < 1472761608 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: well that code is evil < 1472761624 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so can we hack into \oren\'s machine now < 1472761629 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm not looking) < 1472761639 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not < 1472761644 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: probably no < 1472761666 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, it would let you look at anything in the ocal process's memory space < 1472761684 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: why are you writing the number input routines in such a verbose way? < 1472761700 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :to avoid growing the stack < 1472761725 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: um... but < 1472761749 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: but why not fewer branches instead of repeated code? < 1472761749 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm doing that char *s=((char*)(&c))+1000; thing again < 1472761799 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: oh, because... uh, I dunno < 1472761826 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, instead of ei(*c=='1'){s[1]=1;s++;c++;goto bytedecmode;}...ei(*c=='9'){s[1]=9;s++;c++;goto bytedecmode;} just write something like ei('1'<=*c&&*c<='9'){s[1]=c-'0';s++;c++;goto bytedecmode;} < 1472761900 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there < 1472761907 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, did that < 1472761938 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :❄ocal 1 2+u+u+p < 1472761939 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :☃ 7 < 1472761945 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :❄ocal 100p < 1472761945 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :☃ 100 < 1472761951 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :❄ocal 077p < 1472761951 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :☃ 63 < 1472761960 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeh, works fine < 1472762173 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also for some reason chrome thinks I wrote that program in norwegian < 1472762221 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is eg and ei words in norwegian? < 1472762268 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I bet eg means like an egg < 1472762296 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't it Ei that means an egg? < 1472762560 0 :byteflame!~byteflame@wopr-144-167-207-59.ddns.ualr.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1472762582 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask oerjan are ei and eg words in norwegian, and which one means en:egg? < 1472762582 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1472762830 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently ei is a female article (*one* female) and eg the first-person singular pronoun (I) < 1472762891 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Ei still means an egg in German though, doesn't it? < 1472762898 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it does < 1472763021 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: wait, don't you speak German natively? I somehow thought you did. < 1472763046 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :must be one of my usual mixups. < 1472763052 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't < 1472763058 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought he's from Hungary? < 1472763068 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :correct < 1472763168 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea why the english word egg has two g's though < 1472763194 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :eg and egs would work just as well < 1472763195 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: because "eg." is already a word < 1472763250 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/egg#English ... seems to have two g's in many languages, actually < 1472763301 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :AFAICS "eg." does not exist. "e.g." and "eg" do. < 1472763401 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :electronic goblin < 1472763449 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :extraordinary gullibility < 1472763460 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am a german native speaker < 1472763550 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder what yahoo is planning that they've suddenly shut out all 3rd party apps from using the messenger network < 1472763566 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that anyone used it anyway, but ... did they have some reason to think people will? < 1472763866 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :bot infestation? < 1472763879 0 :byteflame!~byteflame@wopr-144-167-207-59.ddns.ualr.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1472764099 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"eg and egs"...? when'd we move from linguistics to webcomics? Oh, look at the time...*falls asleep on desk* < 1472764160 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh god, I remember EGS < 1472764206 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION gets woken up by music < 1472764230 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the "oh god" does not sound like a good thing" < 1472764239 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :why isn't there a european DVD version of The Expanse < 1472764351 0 :byteflame!~byteflame@wopr-144-167-207-59.ddns.ualr.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1472764469 0 :MoALTz!~no@78-11-247-26.static.ip.netia.com.pl QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1472764633 0 :APNG!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's alive! https://is.gd/HQfus8 barely... < 1472764634 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: it's one of those comics that I feel foolish about now, having grown up a little < 1472765795 0 :augur!~augur@2601:640:8001:4222:190a:af7:6c72:8c1 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1472766075 0 :FireFly!~firefly@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :'eg' for 'I' is nynorsk I believe < 1472766634 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-66.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1472766842 0 :APNG!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can now add commands to it https://is.gd/PNZ1hc < 1472766917 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@207-237-117-115.c3-0.nyr-ubr1.nyr.ny.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1472767003 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-66.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1472767698 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1472767851 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-66.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1472768008 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1472768265 0 :moonythedwarf!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf JOIN :#esoteric < 1472768289 0 :carado!~carado@2a01:e34:ec1e:2390:8341:b3f5:2d6:41fa QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1472768459 0 :byteflame!~byteflame@wopr-144-167-207-59.ddns.ualr.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1472768668 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-2hj4tbos9tbg6eu137bm7gg6t.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in < 1472769064 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1472769233 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-66.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION . o O ( The distance between a point and the origin in n-space divided by the square root of n is equal to the root-mean-square of the values in the point) < 1472769267 0 :carado!~carado@2a01:e34:ec1e:2390:8341:b3f5:2d6:41fa JOIN :#esoteric < 1472769474 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@207-237-117-115.c3-0.nyr-ubr1.nyr.ny.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1472769549 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1472770298 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1472770453 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1472770455 0 :moonythedwarf!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anyone know a good math expression evalulator (thats a programming library or a program itself)? < 1472770860 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1472771032 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-66.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1472771248 0 :byteflame!~byteflame@wopr-144-167-207-59.ddns.ualr.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1472771371 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1472771717 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1472771735 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1472772013 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1472772017 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@207-237-117-115.c3-0.nyr-ubr1.nyr.ny.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1472773106 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shouldn't be hard to write one... < 1472773361 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1472773481 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages- < 1472773482 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\ asked 3h 1m 39s ago: are ei and eg words in norwegian, and which one means en:egg? < 1472773499 0 :Guest15977!~qdwdq@cm-84.213.210.92.getinternet.no QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1472773538 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell \oren\ yes, yes (in nynorsk), neither (en:egg = no:egg) < 1472773539 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1472773557 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell \oren\ in fact i vaguely recall english borrowed it from us hth < 1472773557 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1472773590 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1472773603 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1472773616 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Horror movies are dumb < 1472773624 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Terror movies are MUCH more entertaining < 1472773642 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mirror movies are more reflective < 1472773731 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh the last two blocks i made are in the same range < 1472773847 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/block14]]4 block10 02 5* 03Oerjan 5* 10blocked [[02User:199.15.233.152/2910]] with an expiry time of 17:07, 1 September 2017 (anonymous users only, account creation disabled): Spamming links to external sites < 1472774136 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/block14]]4 block10 02 5* 03Oerjan 5* 10blocked [[02User:31.184.238.0/2410]] with an expiry time of 03:48, 29 August 2017 (anonymous users only, account creation disabled): Spamming links to external sites < 1472774221 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd remove the redundant ones, but that seems spammy < 1472774355 0 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@194.108.5.201 JOIN :#esoteric < 1472774502 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1472774525 0 :byteflame!~byteflame@wopr-144-167-207-59.ddns.ualr.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1472774907 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugh < 1472774913 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My laptop charger just crapped out on me < 1472774928 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is the second one to do so on this device, and this one is a different brand from the previous one < 1472775032 0 :byteflame!~byteflame@wopr-144-167-207-59.ddns.ualr.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1472775272 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1472775455 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1472775565 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is QUIT :Quit: Zarutian < 1472775916 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls gu* < 1472775917 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls: cannot access gu*: No such file or directory < 1472775952 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmph < 1472775956 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=49678&oldid=49650 5* 03Tbodt 5* (+214) 10/* Introductions */ < 1472775963 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh < 1472775971 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat test < 1472775971 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ho < 1472775979 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`mk test//ha < 1472775982 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :test < 1472775987 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls gu* < 1472775988 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gunzip < 1472775991 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rm gunzip < 1472775993 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1472776045 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell \oren\ there's a bug so you cannot `revert a new file creation properly hth < 1472776045 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1472776283 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION suddenly gets filled with sadness at having to work around stupid bugs. < 1472776304 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :on computers, and in real life. < 1472776316 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :computers have so many bugs < 1472776336 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://danluu.com/everything-is-broken/ < 1472776360 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf JOIN :#esoteric < 1472776399 0 :moonythedwarf!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1472777171 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :moonythedwarf_: try octave < 1472777586 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :........ < 1472777908 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :he waxed, then he waned. < 1472778437 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :They make modern computer designs too complicated and too much stupid also. < 1472778729 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Quit: Jafet < 1472778987 0 :byteflame!~byteflame@wopr-144-167-207-59.ddns.ualr.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1472779176 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<\oren\> actually, since my dialect doesn't have t in botLs it should just be boLs <-- sure there's not a glottal stop there? < 1472779613 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1472779826 0 :Kaynato!~Aedile@cpe-174-100-169-144.neo.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1472780849 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1472780889 0 :carado!~carado@2a01:e34:ec1e:2390:8341:b3f5:2d6:41fa QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1472781256 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I'm pretty sure there's no glottal stop. it's more like a d < 1472781261 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :bodLs < 1472781273 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, i didnt wane ): < 1472781399 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :moonythedwarf_: oh, didn't notice the nicks were different < 1472781444 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1472781462 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: hm, there's got to be a name for that. lateral stop maybe? < 1472781567 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION found https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pre-stopped_consonant but isn't sure if that's right there < 1472781612 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bonsœøirjan. < 1472781639 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :surs deily < 1472781686 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :surs? < 1472781745 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :transliterated < 1472781788 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :on another site, it's spelled sous < 1472781850 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not an easy one... < 1472781857 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Albanian? < 1472781860 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1472781878 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed, i'd never guess it myself *MWAHAHAHA* < 1472781909 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(albanian is written with latin alphabet btw) < 1472782044 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :one never knows... < 1472782085 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Marathi? < 1472782164 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope. at least you're getting onto the right continent. < 1472782237 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mongolian? < 1472782285 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope. you haven't got to the right family yet... < 1472782299 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Malayalam? < 1472782311 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(trying M- languages tonight...) < 1472782329 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope. < 1472782450 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not indian, although it does have some influence. < 1472782501 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :("influenced considerably by Sanskrit and Pali") < 1472782576 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1472782596 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1472782602 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Tocharian? < 1472782615 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(is it influenced by Sanskrit?) < 1472782674 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tocharian is indo-european, which i already implicitly excluded. < 1472782731 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it probably was though, "The subject matter of the texts suggests that Tocharian A was more archaic and used as a Buddhist liturgical language" < 1472782782 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this language is not extinct btw, it has appr. 16 million speakers. < 1472782797 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uyghur? < 1472782844 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, nor any other turkic language. < 1472782869 0 :Warrigal!?@? NICK :tswett < 1472782873 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmong? < 1472782921 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswellot. heeeeeelp... < 1472782931 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quick, think of a rational number which is not of the form x^7 + 3 y^7, where x and y are rational numbers. < 1472782951 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat. < 1472782988 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh, uh, 5? < 1472783018 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :coily < 1472783029 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :heyoerjan < 1472783030 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: no. best guess so far though. < 1472783031 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quinthellopia! < 1472783042 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Burmese? < 1472783043 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you write 5 in that form? < 1472783055 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I misunderstood your referent. < 1472783084 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope. you still haven't hit the right family. < 1472783135 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is trying to remember all the families out there... Sino-Tibetan, Hmong-Mien, Tai-Kadai, Vietic, Austronesian... < 1472783241 0 :doesthiswork!80c1a978@gateway/web/freenode/ip.128.193.169.120 JOIN :#esoteric < 1472783242 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you almost got the right family listed except you chose a wrong subfamily instead. < 1472783250 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaaurgh. < 1472783260 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cham? < 1472783310 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. that's austronesian, apparently. < 1472783346 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thaï? < 1472783358 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. you had Tai-Kadai there. < 1472783374 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1472783400 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION *MWAHAHAS* a bit. < 1472783426 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw it's the official language of a country hth < 1472783433 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nepali? < 1472783444 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is panicking < 1472783458 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope. that seems to be indo-aryan. < 1472783481 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also moving in the wrong direction. < 1472783556 0 :doesthiswork!80c1a978@gateway/web/freenode/ip.128.193.169.120 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are we guessing? < 1472783618 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesthiswork: boily is guessing the language of today's porthelloily hth < 1472783618 0 :doesthiswork!80c1a978@gateway/web/freenode/ip.128.193.169.120 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also oerjan: thanks for the boolean ring < 1472783632 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're welcome < 1472783687 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Naxi? < 1472783697 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(most definitely not influenced by Sanskrit, that one) < 1472783722 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope. that's sino-tibetan. < 1472783736 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :English? < 1472783740 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!) < 1472783743 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(rgh.) < 1472783746 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's indo-european hth < 1472783773 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oriya? < 1472783799 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's indo-aryan < 1472783805 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not Dravidian? < 1472783817 0 :spockers!~spockers@unaffiliated/spockers JOIN :#esoteric < 1472783822 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome spockers < 1472783823 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​02spockers: 06Welcome 13to 04the 07international 08hub 09for 02esoteric 06programming 13language 04design 07and 08deployment! 09For 02more 06information, 13check 04out 07our 08wiki: 09. 02(For 06the 13other 04kind 07of 08esoterica, 09try 02#esoteric 06on 13EFnet 04or 07DALnet.) < 1472783830 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, but we've already excluded that too (malayalam) < 1472783834 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. < 1472783847 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maudit est pas facile celle-là à soir... < 1472783849 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i said it wasn't indian. < 1472783865 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maldivian? < 1472783885 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :indo-aryan hth < 1472783892 0 :doesthiswork!80c1a978@gateway/web/freenode/ip.128.193.169.120 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elamite? < 1472783896 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wut? Maldivian is Indo-Aryan too? < 1472783903 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesthiswork: no hth < 1472783927 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesthiswork: i've already mentioned it's not extinct. < 1472783984 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION notes that all Indo-Aryan languages are Indo-European... < 1472783992 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just like all birds are dinosaurs. :) < 1472784007 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: of the languages you've mentioned, it's also listed as having been influencing/influenced by Thai and Cham hth < 1472784022 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Khmer? < 1472784025 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*DING* < 1472784030 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bon! < 1472784045 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't believe I circled that one for so long... < 1472784066 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :time to go brush my teeth and approach a pillow. < 1472784077 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :good night :) < 1472784079 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boerjanne nuit! < 1472784097 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: NOTABLE CHICKEN < 1472784383 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://youtu.be/HpSEgdQWaS0 < 1472786370 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION was expecting Evillious Chronicals. I don't know what your link is < 1472786845 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :music < 1472790893 0 :primo!~primo@122.155.138.138 JOIN :#esoteric < 1472791025 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1472791415 0 :doesthiswork!80c1a978@gateway/web/freenode/ip.128.193.169.120 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1472794671 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Pyth14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=49679&oldid=46761 5* 03Oerjan 5* (-30) 10/* Documentation */ Add edit by [[User:Tbodt]] caught in filter < 1472794692 0 :spockers!~spockers@unaffiliated/spockers QUIT :Killed (barjavel.freenode.net (Nickname regained by services)) < 1472796169 0 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-088-078-251-116.088.078.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Quit: Terminated < 1472796362 0 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-088-078-251-116.088.078.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1472800143 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1472800341 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1472803325 0 :augur!~augur@c-67-160-198-240.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1472804093 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :❄dvcalc 48.42 3874 nuke < 1472804093 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :☃ Δv = 4009.49978652771 < 1472804628 0 :carado!~carado@2a01:e34:ec1e:2390:8341:b3f5:2d6:41fa JOIN :#esoteric < 1472808057 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-2hj4tbos9tbg578x3x2d3trzf.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1472808191 0 :Guest15977!~qdwdq@cm-84.213.210.92.getinternet.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1472809069 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1472811111 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1472815129 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1472815701 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1472815705 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren's font//\oren\'s font is http://www.orenwatson.be/fontdemo.htm < 1472818051 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@de1.ut.deewiant.iki.fi QUIT :*.net *.split < 1472818051 0 :deltab!~deltab@ds6266.dedicated.turbodns.co.uk QUIT :*.net *.split < 1472818193 0 :deltab!~deltab@ds6266.dedicated.turbodns.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1472818251 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@de1.ut.deewiant.iki.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1472819444 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: DEFENDER CHICKEN < 1472821128 0 :augur!~augur@c-67-160-198-240.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving... < 1472823063 0 :augur!~augur@2601:640:8001:4222:b5a7:aff9:ae5:5013 JOIN :#esoteric < 1472823145 0 :augur!~augur@2601:640:8001:4222:b5a7:aff9:ae5:5013 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1472823805 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, do you like long meetings? < 1472823805 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: p and i are in completely different places in the struct?' i could use a fnord and helpful way? < 1472823889 0 :Froox!~Frooxius@194.108.5.201 JOIN :#esoteric < 1472824273 0 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@194.108.5.201 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1472825244 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@207-237-117-115.c3-0.nyr-ubr1.nyr.ny.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1472825774 0 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie JOIN :#esoteric < 1472825927 0 :primo!~primo@122.155.138.138 PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1472826244 0 :Nephenter_123!~joris@nata244.ugent.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1472826254 0 :Nephenter_123!~joris@nata244.ugent.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1472826274 0 :Nephenter_123!~joris@nata244.ugent.be QUIT :Client Quit < 1472827596 0 :APNG!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so let's say I'm making an esolang < 1472827601 0 :APNG!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which I am btw http://play.integer32.com/?gist=0c1b45a0a7f88b2efae29d266f9ccfe8&version=stable&backtrace=2 < 1472827612 0 :APNG!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so let's say idk how the thing I'm making actually works < 1472827624 0 :APNG!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know how to make an infinite loop, or loop twice < 1472827631 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@207-237-117-115.c3-0.nyr-ubr1.nyr.ny.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1472827644 0 :APNG!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but how do I loop 3 times? 4 times? 10 times? < 1472827645 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :make an article, some of the hardcore nerds will figure stuff out < 1472827656 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@207-237-117-115.c3-0.nyr-ubr1.nyr.ny.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1472827662 0 :APNG!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :n times? not that the thing has any numbers... < 1472828272 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :❄ocal 75 8* < 1472828272 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :☃ < 1472828275 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :❄ocal 75 8*p < 1472828275 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :☃ 88 < 1472829645 0 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@82.144.205.57 QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1472830229 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1472830346 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, so Knuth has updated the prediction on his homepage, so volume 5 of TAOCP is now "Estimated to be ready in 2025." rather than in 2020 as he's predicted before. < 1472830373 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :According to the archive.org wayback machine, this change has happened between 2015-11 and 2016-01. < 1472830463 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds like one big revision < 1472830481 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The page is http://www-cs-faculty.stanford.edu/~uno/taocp.html < 1472830489 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, volume, so one big book < 1472830508 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it doesn't have any prediction on when the revised volumes 1' to 3' are going to be ready. < 1472830595 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: actually TAOCP is now sort of numbered wrong, since volume 4A is published, it's as thick as any of the first three volumes, but the topics professor Knuth originally wanted in volume 4 don't fit in it, < 1472830610 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know, I highly suspect we may need to invent immortality... < 1472830612 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so he's splitting it to at least two volumes, so there'll be a volume 4B and possibly more. < 1472830626 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...we definitely need to invent immortality... < 1472830639 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: yes, or at least longevity. Knuth is definitely one of those people for whom it would be worth. < 1472830645 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :eventually volumes 6-7 will return to the original goal of describing compilers < 1472830672 0 :FireFly!?@? NICK :ffl < 1472830676 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, if I get my hands on very few doses of an extremely rare longevity serum, professor Knuth would be high on the list for who to give it. < 1472830679 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously. < 1472830687 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: or more likely no < 1472830717 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's ok, we'll learn in nine years that DEK was a collective pseudonym < 1472830722 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: Knuth's words on that is "And after Volumes 1--5 are done, God willing, I plan to publish Volume 6 (the theory of context-free languages) and Volume 7 (Compiler techniques), but only if the things I want to say about those topics are still relevant and still haven't been said. Volumes 1--5 represent the central core of computer programming for sequential machines; the subjects of Volumes 6 and 7 are important but more specialized." < 1472830731 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: sadly no < 1472830750 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's a single genius mathematician < 1472830936 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, volume 5 will cover string algorithms < 1472830977 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :knuth may want to avoid unhealthy foods like pizza and chilli when writing that < 1472831011 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: he has a wife < 1472831017 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :or he'll never finish it < 1472831083 0 :primo!~primo@49.49.249.130 JOIN :#esoteric < 1472831532 0 :kline!?@? NICK :ayylmao < 1472831810 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warning. Readers of the above b_jonas text may find a contradiction, but it's because of other meanings of the word "single". < 1472831833 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thus, any advisory on the contradiction does not apply. < 1472831842 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :(er, pizza and chili) < 1472831955 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1472832986 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :the git book is 33 pages shorter than harry potter and the deathly hallows < 1472833203 0 :ffl!?@? NICK :FireFly < 1472833206 0 :ayylmao!?@? NICK :kline < 1472834010 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@207-237-117-115.c3-0.nyr-ubr1.nyr.ny.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1472834151 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Quit: Jafet < 1472834875 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1472835236 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION finds today's xkcd disturbing < 1472835360 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: your warning was helpful as I upscrolled < 1472835380 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :humansnack < 1472835389 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<\oren\> ❄dvcalc 48.42 3874 nuke <-- disappointingly nondestructive tdnh < 1472835402 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"disappointingly nondestructive"? < 1472835410 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...are you working on mad science experiments? < 1472835419 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it refers to a nuclear thermal rocket in KSP < 1472835431 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1472835475 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( your attempts to predict ksp behavior are futile... ) < 1472835494 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( KSP would make a good pseudo-random number generator ) < 1472835530 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: specifically, I had a SSTO that was 48.42 tons in orbit, and had 3874 fuel to use, with its nuclear engines < 1472835581 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically that command is just an implementation of Tsiolkovsky's rocket equation < 1472835592 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY < 1472835743 0 :primo!~primo@49.49.249.130 PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1472835770 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Operating Kerbals Are Yummy?" < 1472835784 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :thausible. < 1472835831 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( one day i'll kick gamemanj in all caps. he'll never understand what happened. ) < 1472835960 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Karmic Integrators Concerning Kodak's Systems"? < 1472835974 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :as i said... < 1472836040 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION lightly TAPS oerjan on the head with a piece of cardboard. < 1472836089 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only reason I was de-mystifying OKAY was because it didn't seem like you were annoyed, but you were using caps. < 1472836097 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY < 1472836112 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :See, this is the kind of ambiguity I'm talking about... < 1472836127 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't see what OKAY has to do with annoyance. < 1472836139 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the caps. < 1472836156 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :IF YOU SAY SO < 1472836172 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, if I were to go on a long-ish lecture about ambiguity, and how it is a rather painful thing in the English language, < 1472836194 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and how, for example, it would be great if someone were to somehow remove the ambiguity in the English language while still keeping it English, < 1472836220 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least relatively so, then for example you could shout OKAY while I am busy typing this rant, however, you may not, < 1472836252 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :YAKO < 1472836262 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1472836323 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was going to keep going until oerjan got annoyed and performed a perfect demonstration, but that works too. < 1472836326 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :DACCORD < 1472836338 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think you fail to get that i use capitals for sarcasm hth < 1472836351 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I think I do fail to get < 1472836355 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is one of like 10 words I know in french < 1472836373 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: i think you need an apostrophe hth < 1472836383 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :D"ACCORD < 1472836392 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks kind of apostrophe-needed-y. < 1472836401 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there < 1472836403 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ÖKAY < 1472836557 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, there should be a command like metar but gives the weather in emoji < 1472836666 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@@ @leet @metar ENVA < 1472836667 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 3NvA 021550z 31003x7 9999 phe\/\/026T(u scT050 8kn070 14/08 Q1008 n05i9 Rmk wInD 670ph7 vR801Kt < 1472836685 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not aware of an emoji plugin, alas < 1472837629 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell jafet (er, pizza and chili) <-- chilli seems to be an acceptable spelling hth < 1472837629 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1472837903 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/block14]]4 block10 02 5* 03Oerjan 5* 10blocked [[02User:46.185.122.16010]] with an expiry time of 1 year (anonymous users only, account creation disabled): Spamming links to external sites < 1472839033 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1472840537 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :inetnum: 46.185.64.0 - 46.185.127.255 < 1472840537 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :netname: KYIVSTAR-NET-9 < 1472840537 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :descr: Kyivstar GSM < 1472840537 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :descr: Ukrainian mobile phone operator < 1472840567 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't do range block until i see at least two ips from there... < 1472840587 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, the block log doesn't seem to allow searching for ranges :( < 1472840610 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, that range is probably too large, anyway. < 1472840614 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I was just suggesting that I wouldn't be very optimistic about that particular block < 1472840621 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY < 1472840652 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: today's girl genius is quite informative, especially to people with previous theories hth < 1472840747 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i doubt i will be keeping up this reading through all the abuse filter log. the system needs some tweaking... < 1472840782 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(of the kind only fizzie can do, i suspect) < 1472840829 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just confused. < 1472840840 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :about what < 1472840852 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have enough trouble keeping up with GG's present... never mind the past. < 1472840859 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1472840910 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, workshops next week, three talks, kind of occupying my brain < 1472841154 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: everything i've seen so far fits very well with higgs being the "seventh" http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20120516 < 1472841302 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially after agatha met jenka recently. < 1472841326 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :the seventh, no, that didn't stick to my mind. < 1472841348 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :is Krosp stuck in Mechanicsburg as well? < 1472841398 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, he's out leading bears < 1472841409 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right < 1472841447 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(jenka not only mentioning the "spymaster", but also proving that jägers don't have to look like jägers) < 1472841747 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( funny how i can remember things like this and yet forget stupid things like to brush my teeth... ) < 1472841802 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( hm which i indeed haven't done yet... ) < 1472841919 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Short term, long term. < 1472841929 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :alas. < 1472841978 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ALAS < 1472842630 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ALpaca Activity System < 1472842670 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :either that or Actively Learning Artificial System < 1472842735 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.surlyqueen.net/loas/2016/09/01/714-chef/ ... so awful puns ... cannot look away! < 1472842928 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :schlockmercenary is heading seems to aim for some spectacular fireworks on Sunday (again) < 1472843193 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Later < 1472843632 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1472843836 0 :APNG!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj, hey wanna see my bad code? < 1472845105 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-81.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1472845107 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-81.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh no... < 1472845117 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-81.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nononononononono < 1472845153 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-81.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Four people in the Minnesota have been found guilty of conspiring to travel to the Middle East and support ISIS < 1472845182 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-81.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're considering whether they can put them in programs to "deradicalize" them < 1472845247 0 :APNG!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay conversion therapy ಠ_ಠ < 1472845307 0 :APNG!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in other news, `cargo install prexcl` to install a silly IR/IL thingy https://crates.io/crates/prexcl/ < 1472845328 0 :APNG!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's very badly written https://bitbucket.org/SoniEx2/prexcl/commits/0719a787a321f503fb0f93c85ba9d2ae33a4d2b2?at=master < 1472845791 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is JOIN :#esoteric < 1472845805 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1472845824 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is JOIN :#esoteric < 1472847697 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 JOIN :#esoteric < 1472847795 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-81.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1472849640 0 :augur!~augur@2601:640:8001:4222:156e:7761:ec70:3e8e JOIN :#esoteric < 1472850202 0 :augur!~augur@2601:640:8001:4222:156e:7761:ec70:3e8e QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1472850401 0 :augur!~augur@2601:640:8001:4222:1df9:b0ef:36ab:5875 JOIN :#esoteric < 1472850441 0 :yorick_!?@? NICK :yorick < 1472851234 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-81.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1472851286 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-81.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to remember reading about a cellular automaton that models how neighborhoods tend towards homogeneous race, even in a racism-free society < 1472851485 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-81.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something about how, even if you don't really care about race, if you're black and all of your neighbors are white or if you're white and all of your neighbors are black, you'll feel a bit out of place and be more likely to move away to a neighborhood with more people of the same race < 1472851516 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-81.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And how that statistically results in self-segregated neighborhoods < 1472851522 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-81.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I can't remember the name of the model < 1472851618 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1472851627 0 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Schelling? < 1472851891 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-81.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep, looks like it < 1472852002 0 :Guest15977!~qdwdq@cm-84.213.210.92.getinternet.no QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1472853360 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: hipumpkin < 1472853464 0 :Guest15977!~qdwdq@cm-84.213.210.92.getinternet.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1472853478 0 :simpleirc!~simpleirc@5.170.102.252 JOIN :#esoteric < 1472853666 0 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi shachaf :) < 1472853769 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-81.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :...huh < 1472853771 0 :simpleirc!~simpleirc@5.170.102.252 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1472853774 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-81.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Time loop logic is interesting < 1472853788 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-81.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It could be used to solve NP problems in polynomial time < 1472853843 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-81.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically, "receive answer from future. Check answer. If correct, send to past at end of 5 minutes. If incorrect, send different answer (Successor of the answer, perhaps) < 1472853874 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-81.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :If stable time loops are possible (and self-contradicting time loops are impossible), then this guarantees that you will always receive the correct answer in polynomial time < 1472853894 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay! < 1472853918 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: have a look at p/poly < 1472853929 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :debugging successful < 1472853932 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's basically what you described < 1472853944 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-81.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Really, any problem that can be checked in O(k) can be solved in O(k) using a stable time loop; in fact, I think that you receive the answer in O(1) time, but you still have to check) < 1472853948 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :without time constraints, though < 1472853967 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, the esolang twoducks is related < 1472853976 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can even solve the halting problem < 1472853980 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-81.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep < 1472853988 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-81.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: And thus is probably impossible < 1472853992 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-81.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but not necessarily) < 1472854031 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-81.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quantum Computers don't store quantumly on disk, do they? < 1472854032 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-81.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, gtg < 1472854129 0 :augur!~augur@2601:640:8001:4222:1df9:b0ef:36ab:5875 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1472854166 0 :augur!~augur@2601:640:8001:4222:1df9:b0ef:36ab:5875 JOIN :#esoteric < 1472854294 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-81.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1472854448 0 :augur!~augur@2601:640:8001:4222:1df9:b0ef:36ab:5875 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1472854878 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-2hj4tbos9tbg578x3x2d3trzf.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1472854979 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1472855466 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: did you order the book twh < 1472855544 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-81.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1472857071 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1472857119 0 :iaglium!~i@45.63.97.181 QUIT :Quit: Bed Time < 1472857342 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is QUIT :Quit: Zarutian < 1472857390 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1472857623 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-81.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1472857634 0 :iaglium!~i@45.63.97.181 JOIN :#esoteric < 1472858297 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:AshuraTheHedgehog14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=49680&oldid=49093 5* 03AshuraTheHedgehog 5* (+0) 10/* Instructions */ fixed < 1472858333 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jeremy Corbyn claims that having beers after work is sexist. How about beers DURING work? < 1472858431 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :he\\oren\. I had a beer during work today. it wasn't sexist. < 1472858572 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :As did I < 1472859120 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1472859426 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is JOIN :#esoteric < 1472859543 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bohily. you're lucky to live in a country/province where that's acceptable, i suspect. < 1472859587 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maadwoerjan! < 1472859604 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1472859616 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think there are many places in norway where it is. or sweden. stereotypically, denmark is different. < 1472859636 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :every Friday a pair of volunteers go to the dépanneur and grab two 12-packs. at 4:00pm, we drink a beer. very important tradition. < 1472859659 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. < 1472859706 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :arabic? (but wouldn't that be salaam ...) < 1472859745 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :some other semitic or... hm, somali? < 1472860047 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the squished version of "me ma wo adwoerjan" hth. < 1472860071 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1472860128 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that looks mostly monosyllabic. chinese? < 1472860146 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :except adwo doesn't work. < 1472860169 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :far from any variation on Chinese. < 1472860185 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somali wasn't too too far. < 1472860201 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :eep < 1472860243 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ethiopian (wait, is that even a language name) < 1472860267 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION may be over his head today < 1472860273 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :eeeeh... maybe? < 1472860295 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a group → https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethiopian_Semitic_languages < 1472860310 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1472860319 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :think African west coast. < 1472860323 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1472860323 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1472860352 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sigh* < 1472860375 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ghanese, is that something? < 1472860414 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pet Peeve: Using emoji as words in a sentence < 1472860431 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm what's that thing youssoun dor [sp] sings... < 1472860456 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ghana is where it's spoken. < 1472860463 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :my memory won't even remember that... < 1472860471 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :While I am a fan of (or at least ambivalent to) emoji, they are not meant to be used as words, they are meant to be used to convey emotions (and, to a lesser extent, high-level ideas) < 1472860475 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They don't fit as words < 1472860501 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't write "I'm too [scared emoji] to go in there" < 1472860503 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( /cs quiet hppavilion[1] ) < 1472860513 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Write "I'm too scared to go in there [scared emoji]" < 1472860515 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*+ #esoteric < 1472860516 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1472860557 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i cannot remember... oh wait, wolof it was < 1472860572 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if that's not it, then i'm out of names i think < 1472860595 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavellon[🌵] < 1472860610 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's shorter than wolof, but it has a "w". < 1472860616 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode 🌵 < 1472860617 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+1F335 CACTUS \ UTF-8: f0 9f 8c b5 UTF-16BE: d83cdf35 Decimal: 🌵 \ 🌵 \ Category: So (Symbol, Other) \ Bidi: ON (Other Neutrals) < 1472860633 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1472860649 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wadi, or is that just an arabic word... < 1472860658 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which popped up for some reason) < 1472860661 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( If there were (ocean (or space)) pirates today, what would their slang be like? ) < 1472860674 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1472860676 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: somali hth < 1472860683 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: English pirates < 1472860683 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wadi is Arabic for "river" hth. < 1472860690 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: do you want the solution? < 1472860712 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I've heard it said that "Internet pirates don't have ships". I happen to know someone who frequently pirates movies and owns a boat.) < 1472860773 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: well the only other options are cheating or making up words, so... < 1472860811 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: but does he pirate movies from his boat < 1472860833 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Twi. < 1472860833 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: (that means yes) < 1472860836 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1472860837 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Not usually, no, but he would if he had WiFi on it < 1472860842 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :never heard of. < 1472860848 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, what's the riddle? < 1472860849 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Twifi < 1472860863 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :TwiPie < 1472860869 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: today's linguistic porthello hth < 1472860878 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, sure < 1472860894 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(maadwoerjan) < 1472860928 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :scott aaronson finally posting again < 1472860946 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently it has the [ɥ] phoneme. it's a good phoneme. < 1472860950 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( Are there any bots here that could be made to play the "Who/what am I?" game? ) < 1472860954 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :who's scott aaronson? < 1472860961 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: there are. < 1472860970 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Am I alive? < 1472860971 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: i printed and bound a copy of a networking book for fnord.. < 1472860984 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: Oooh, which ones? < 1472861022 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: mathematician doing things like studying quantum computation and blogging http://www.scottaaronson.com/blog/ < 1472861034 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: can't remember, but there are 20-questions-like bots out there. < 1472861053 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: e.g. https://github.com/rawsonj/triviabot < 1472861058 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but it needs to be very #esoteric < 1472861071 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Am I the Riemann zeta function?" < 1472861082 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: do you have non-trivial zeroes? < 1472861082 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: there might be small differences in " alla ska tala bra svenska", as i write the gui using qt and do the longjmp atomically. if you < 1472861130 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: i recall old #initgame at EFNet had such a game, although it didn't use a bot. < 1472861139 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1472861141 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure if it still exists < 1472861143 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, yes < 1472861150 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that was back in 1990s) < 1472861277 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: din svenska er riktigt bra tdh < 1472861277 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you always want to declare the equivalent of /dev/ hda is a different bot. < 1472861285 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*är < 1472861289 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :better than mine, anyway < 1472861326 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm it must have been before 1996 < 1472861327 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: c'est quoi un "alla ska tala bra svenska"? ça sonne louche. < 1472861327 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: firebird has an extension to the reals must be isomorphic to peano numbers. to represent inexacts. < 1472861355 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what i get for looking at a line of irc without looking at who wrote it < 1472861402 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: wat < 1472861426 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i tried to make sense of fungotese tdnh < 1472861426 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: see cluelessness in a lesser state: < 1472861430 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly < 1472861437 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed tdnh < 1472861505 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Hitler often doubted whether Czechs were Aryan or not" -- Wikipedia < 1472861524 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The question of whether Italians were Aryan enough was questioned by the Nazi racial theorists." < 1472861800 0 :keemyb!keemyb@gateway/shell/fnordserver.eu/x-ywkcvltsnknbdxlb QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1472861928 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1472863071 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1472863293 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1472863876 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1472864301 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1472864322 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :I take as granted that people here have seen SmallTalk80|Squeak blocks, yes? < 1472864395 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.dwheeler.com/trusting-trust/dissertation/html/wheeler-trusting-trust-ddc.html I look at this a bit (haven't read it entirely, yet), and actually even before looking at that document and hearing/reading the issues involved, I have thought of other ways. Such as, write a BASIC interpreter in C and a C compiler in BASIC; and possibly, make a program that does not actually produce an executable but instead something else such as writing the < 1472864446 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: your message got cut off at: else such as writing the < 1472864472 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :nstead something else such as writing the file out backwards < 1472864567 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zarutian: at least ais523 must, since Feather is supposed to be based on smalltalk < 1472864609 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: well another way is to do an Initial Program Load by hand and load in a Forth. Then use that to load a small C compiler written in Forth. Then use that C compiler to compile a bigger one. < 1472864617 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: good afternoerjan < 1472864638 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :chaflom. < 1472864664 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I took me a while to notice that there were no control flow statements in that Smalltalk at all. < 1472864670 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1472864671 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1472864671 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1472864671 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :alpha//Alpha is the numeric measurement of opaqueness, a dog with unusually high voice in the Disney-Pixar Up film, and a NATO phonetic alphabet letteral. < 1472864672 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1472864673 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tadpole//A tadpole is like a flagpole, but underwater. < 1472864673 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :studie//Studies show lots of things. Nobody reads them, though. Also: this study contradicts this other study. < 1472864673 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1472864673 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :drone//drones are tools used to perform certain criminal actions that were not possible in ancient times. < 1472864674 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at//At is a daemon for procrastinating commands. < 1472864675 0 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Was that a kiflom? < 1472864683 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :prooftechnique: what? < 1472864698 0 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm almost certain that a tadpole is just a shorter pole < 1472864709 0 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: The chaflom < 1472864719 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zarutian: Yes, there is another, like that. < 1472864773 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :prooftechnique: i don't understand the question hth < 1472864817 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :They mention hardware stuff too in that document. I have actually thought of such things before, and try to think of if there are ways that compatible computer systems can be built out of parts by throwing dice to decide how to do it, somehow. < 1472864818 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slwd tadpole//s/.$/, and also a tad shorter./ < 1472864819 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom/tadpole//A tadpole is like a flagpole, but underwater, and also a tad shorter. < 1472864850 0 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Kiflom is a greeting and general exclamation used by fictional cultists in Grand Theft Auto. I was curious if your response to "good afternoerjan" was a reference to that. It seems that it wasn't, so now I'm left curious about it. < 1472864861 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1472864877 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :prooftechnique: i was just doing some obvious mangling of shachaf and shalom hth < 1472864879 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :With FPGAs, there is IceStorm for one thing, at least. < 1472864955 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :re the smalltalk blocks: structurally it is basically an sequence of invocations plus the arg vars defined between ||'s at the start of the block < 1472864963 0 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, that also makes sense. < 1472865009 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :(smalltalk blocks looked like [ | varA breyta2 | ble doIt: varA ; ble doIt: breyta2 ] ) < 1472865129 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1472865243 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: the real question is, how did the compiler sabetour get access to the compiler binary? < 1472865277 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :(on the machine where it is used and not necsirarly where it was produced) < 1472865320 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, yes, there is that too < 1472865699 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :access control in computers (where the subjects are processes and the objects are various stuff that needs to be accessible to some but perhaps not all subjects) is something I have looked into rather extensively < 1472865965 0 :moonythedwarf!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf JOIN :#esoteric < 1472866022 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is QUIT :Quit: Zarutian < 1472866039 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :smalltalk is great. i dont know why it never really caught on < 1472866082 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :imagine a world where a type of smalltalk was used everywhere java is now < 1472866083 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1472866414 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So on the days of christmas < 1472866520 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does the singer receive- in total- 1 partridge in a pear tree, two turtle doves, three french hens, 4 calling birsd, 5 golden rings, 6 geese a-laying, 7 swans a-swimming, 8 maids a-milking, 9 ladies dancing, 10 lords a-leaping, 11 pipers piping, and 12 drummers drumming < 1472866645 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's on the 12th day < 1472866731 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: 12 partridges, 22 turtle doves, 30 french hens, 36 calling birds, 40 golden rings, 42 geese, 42 swans, 40 maids, 36 ladies... wait, isn't that the wrong order < 1472866773 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm nope < 1472866774 0 :moonythedwarf!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION grabs a sort() < 1472866784 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: something seems wrong there hth < 1472866807 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i've been mixing up the last four :( < 1472866838 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or 12 partridges in 12 pear trees, 22 turtle doves, 30 french hens, 36 calling birds, 40 golen rings, 42(!!!) swans a-swimming, 40 maids a-milking, 36 ladies dancing, 30 lords a-leaping, 22 pipers piping, 12 drummers drumming? < 1472866841 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you see https://twitter.com/luqui/status/770725569151447041 < 1472866850 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Yes, oerjan beat me, but I wasn't going to give up on my typing < 1472866861 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :p. good huh < 1472866874 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: you also forgot the geese hth < 1472866897 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: fortunately you're a geeser < 1472866902 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1472866909 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, yes, 42 geese a-laying < 1472866911 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(!!!) < 1472866919 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (!!!) < 1472866920 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :error: < 1472866920 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : • Variable not in scope: !!! < 1472866920 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : • Perhaps you meant ‘!!’ (imported from Data.List) < 1472866923 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shocking < 1472866927 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i shouldn't make fun of oerjan's age < 1472866930 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :exclamating. < 1472866938 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does oerjan think < 1472866956 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's illogical since i'm not 42 anymore hth < 1472866986 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now to calculate the price... < 1472866994 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well, looks like someone already did) < 1472867076 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Totals at 376 (364 if you consider "partridge in a pear tree" to be a single gift, but it's clearly two separate gifts) < 1472867096 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :a partridge in a pear tree is one gift < 1472867101 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there any mathematical significance to 364(+1=365)? < 1472867117 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it's two- the partridge and pear tree are two separate items, they're just bundled into one < 1472867131 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :just be glad the pears are not in season or you'd have to count them hth < 1472867132 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Is this going to be one of those things that can trigger flame wars like "couple" or "."? < 1472867133 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1472867139 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, yes < 1472867140 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> sum [i*(12-i) | i <- [1..12]] < 1472867143 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 286 < 1472867150 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: No, 13-i < 1472867157 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> sum [i*(13-i) | i <- [1..12]] < 1472867160 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 364 < 1472867163 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :thx tdh < 1472867167 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :spot of the convolution, governor? < 1472867167 0 :deltab!~deltab@ds6266.dedicated.turbodns.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :how are they separate if they're bundled? < 1472867168 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You receive gifts on the 12th day too < 1472867181 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: MOUNTAINEER CHICKEN < 1472867192 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :deltab: They come together, but you could regift the Partridge and Pear Tree to different people < 1472867194 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's certainly convoluted. < 1472867332 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...huh, the "5 gold rings" might actually be a type of bird (a "ring-necked pheasant") < 1472867376 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a town in Alaska called "Chicken" < 1472867390 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They have been gearing up for war with Turkey for the last 8 months < 1472867441 0 :moonythedwarf!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder how useful a pair of 10D scissors would be < 1472867461 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :moonythedwarf: There are different types of scissors!? < 1472867507 0 :moonythedwarf!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know, *holds up a 4 dimensional pair, and snips hppavilion[1]'s day in half with it*, like those < 1472867530 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1472867539 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH 10-dimensional scissors < 1472867546 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, are there 3-dimensional scissors in 4D? < 1472867577 0 :moonythedwarf!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :/shrug *snips more off of hppavilion[1]'s day* < 1472867660 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was looking up "on the 18th day of christmas" < 1472867679 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was suggested "bleeding on the 18th day of menstrual cycle" < 1472867688 0 :moonythedwarf!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1472867688 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please see a doctor if you ever consider googling that. < 1472867690 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is not supposed to be "4 calling birds", it is supposed to be "colly birds" (black), and there is twelve lords leaping, and the rings are actual rings and not birds. < 1472867764 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, really? < 1472867773 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: oh you've also heard the lords last? < 1472867784 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i guess it's just one of the variations, then. < 1472867786 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it is supposed to be twelve < 1472867791 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wikipedia disagrees < 1472867832 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yeah, the last four can be rearranged however you wnat < 1472867867 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, 12 = "bells a-ringing" 11 = "ladies spinning" is a nice combo < 1472867900 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Twelve lords is the proper way. Ten lords is a very common varation. < 1472867902 0 :APNG!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :making an esolang is impossible when you can't get any feedback >.> < 1472867910 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :10 = "asses racing" per Sharp 1905 < 1472867958 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wikipedia uses 10 lords < 1472868009 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, they are wrong; it is supposed to be twelve. < 1472868047 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :APNG: people have seen so many lousy esolangs that you have to explain why your language is more interesting than average before they bother to look hth < 1472868083 0 :APNG!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, its goal is to become an IR or IL for my 'real' language < 1472868084 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION isn't looking too often these days, either. < 1472868152 0 :APNG!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only call it an esolang because it's not meant to be used directly < 1472868202 0 :APNG!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even I don't know how to use it, personally .-. < 1472868211 0 :APNG!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :altho it's in a really unfinished state I guess... < 1472868316 0 :APNG!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://bitbucket.org/SoniEx2/prexcl < 1472868323 0 :APNG!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Prexcl is an esoteric proof-of-concept programming language. It's being used to test some concepts for Voxcl." < 1472868344 0 :APNG!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :version 0.0.3 < 1472868378 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the pith day of christmas < 1472868391 0 :APNG!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's line-based too so that makes it a pain to REPL :/ < 1472868420 0 :APNG!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(would love to REPL it) < 1472868516 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Voxcl is what anyways? < 1472868553 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"On the 47th day of Christmas stderr gave to me: G" < 1472868721 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"On the 404th day of christmas my browser gave to me: ε" < 1472868753 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Who decides what's the proper way and what's a variation? < 1472868766 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: you seem to be arguing for wikipedia's 1780 version; note that it did not have the modern melody. < 1472868810 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first instance of the modern melody had lords 10th. < 1472868915 0 :keemyb!keemyb@gateway/shell/fnordserver.eu/x-qnnibiwbkzjxutpv JOIN :#esoteric < 1472868954 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(1909 version) < 1472869111 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION . o O ( What is the opposite of a Purity Ring? ) < 1472869163 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: a wedding ring obviously < 1472869185 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: No, a wedding ring is the level up from a purity ring < 1472869194 0 :APNG!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, the other language I'm making, for use by humans < 1472869195 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Purity ring is "promising to remain abstinent until marriage" < 1472869199 0 :APNG!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :general-purpose-ish < 1472869206 0 :APNG!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly oriented towards autistic ppl < 1472869214 0 :APNG!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(such as myself) < 1472869236 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are programming languages _not_ oriented toward autistic people? < 1472869251 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that actually work? < 1472869276 0 :APNG!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, yes < 1472869278 0 :APNG!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the C preprocessor < 1472869296 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :APNG: Oooh, I want to know :) < 1472869303 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was spectrum until the DSM-V < 1472869323 0 :APNG!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], huh? < 1472869333 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :APNG: Language for autistic people < 1472869337 0 :APNG!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's not this you wanna know about? http://jhnet.co.uk/articles/cpp_magic < 1472869345 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1472869374 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And let's be honest, I'll probably be spectrum again in the DSM VI because someone's probably going to protest the change) < 1472869384 0 :APNG!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], what change? < 1472869405 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :APNG: The DSM-V reclassified Asperger's as not autism < 1472869447 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait < 1472869451 0 :APNG!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh, last I checked the DSM-V removed asperger's diagnosis and made autism include what was previously asperger's < 1472869458 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wikipedia is saying the exact opposite < 1472869463 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :APNG: Huh, I guess I was wrong < 1472869494 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :x-ray autism < 1472869519 0 :APNG!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], so uh random question do you stim often? < 1472869528 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@wn stim < 1472869531 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :No match for "stim". < 1472869599 0 :APNG!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stimming < 1472869637 0 :APNG!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love sound stims btw < 1472869652 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Knuckle cracking may count; I do it pretty much obsessively (often only a few minutes after I've already done it, thus meaning there's no result) < 1472869671 0 :APNG!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1472869678 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But not particularly otherwise < 1472869689 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :APNG: Is this language something like Lojban? < 1472869696 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( hm is that why i keep chewing my tongue ) < 1472869729 0 :APNG!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], lojban? < 1472869739 0 :APNG!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], uh, well < 1472869745 0 :APNG!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if you can call voxcl a "language" < 1472869750 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :APNG: It's a spoken language designed to be 100% unambiguous < 1472869838 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :APNG: How so? < 1472869847 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It said "for use by humans" < 1472869856 0 :APNG!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], yes, for use by humans < 1472869861 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Wait, you mean a natural language, don't you?) < 1472869864 0 :APNG!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1472869875 0 :APNG!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's similar to piet < 1472869878 0 :APNG!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but user friendly < 1472869887 0 :APNG!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and stuff < 1472869960 0 :APNG!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(voxcl is, at least... prexcl is uh... definitely not...) < 1472869986 0 :APNG!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(at least not in its current form) < 1472869993 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The first rule of time travel is that any and all modifications made to the timeline result in Hitler winning World War II. Run over a hippy in 1968? Hitler wins." < 1472869997 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh :( < 1472870466 0 :APNG!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], I'll need testers for it too :P < 1472870485 0 :APNG!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if I get prexcl functional enough, it'll be much easier to develop voxcl < 1472870597 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1472871044 0 :moonythedwarf!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :question about te standards here < 1472871044 0 :moonythedwarf!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric : ~>solve math.js pi*(8^8i) < 1472871045 0 :moonythedwarf!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :[21:38.55] 5.2707178533289135e+7i < 1472871059 0 :moonythedwarf!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that enough to be at minimum a bit useful? < 1472871061 0 :moonythedwarf!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1472871463 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1472871725 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> pi*(8**(0:+8)) < 1472871728 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : (-1.8842672676782886) :+ (-2.5137902189812014) < 1472871756 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm nope < 1472871771 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> pi*(0:+8^8) < 1472871773 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0.0 :+ 5.2707178533289135e7 < 1472871881 0 :moonythedwarf!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like my bot at least knows better formatting :P < 1472872099 0 :moonythedwarf!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone here used the CAS Cocoa5? < 1472872942 0 :FireFly!~firefly@freenode/staff/firefly QUIT :Quit: Goodbye < 1472873534 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1472873914 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Other Side is a fun episode of Stargate < 1472874105 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1472874127 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very good episode < 1472874197 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :❄dvcalc 17.65 832 nuke < 1472874197 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :☃ Δv = 2109.44126407687 < 1472874653 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_budget_film is one thing < 1472874658 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to see a negative budget film < 1472874757 0 :moonythedwarf!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1472874868 0 :moonythedwarf!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION grabs the 4D scissors again < 1472874926 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: that would I guess be a film where people are actively taking money from you because you're making it < 1472874950 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: Yeah? < 1472874961 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though you could also make profit via negative remuneration < 1472875258 0 :moonythedwarf!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1472875567 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"There's no [i] in \"I\"" < 1472875587 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1472875686 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: a budget is how much you spend, not how much people give you, i think < 1472875706 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's a movie where people give you money to make it. seems reasonable. < 1472875839 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does one indicate that an equation is to be yelled? < 1472875985 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly QUIT :Quit: Goodbye < 1472876098 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :By specifying "yell" on it. How this is done it depend on the context < 1472876618 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1472876968 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa whoa whoa, FireFly is freenode/staff? < 1472876979 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup < 1472877052 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only since fairly recently, though < 1472877102 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Congrefly < 1472877113 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :sf\ffFf < 1472877171 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice regex, that < 1472877173 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :and thanks < 1472877184 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :the regex is just \f < 1472877189 0 :Guest26671!~ubuntu@73.114.32.3 JOIN :#esoteric < 1472877198 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but deceivingly using f as the separator < 1472877203 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess freenode decided to HireFly < 1472877219 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess so < 1472877268 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1472877327 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm guessing they're not paying you, though < 1472877473 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Would "Bands with Other Bandits" be a good ability? < 1472877510 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, it's just volunteer stuff I guess < 1472877516 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would HireFly at that price < 1472877534 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you do? < 1472877589 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who, me? < 1472877593 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :bit of everything, though most of it is "support"-style stuff < 1472877599 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, FireFly. < 1472878052 0 :Guest26671!~ubuntu@73.114.32.3 PART #esoteric : < 1472878079 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? firefly < 1472878080 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly was a short-running but well-loved sci-fi TV series released in 2003, starring Nathan Fillion and directed and written by Joss Whedon. < 1472878088 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't argue with that < 1472879119 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1472879212 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( this is a fiendish plot to avoid my swattings ) < 1472879238 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is? < 1472879263 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: getting staffed hth < 1472879283 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, getting staffed lets you avoid swatting? < 1472879300 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, FireFly is an op in here now. < 1472879430 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, is he < 1472879451 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :5 freenode-staff +AFRefiorstv [modified 4y 11w 2d ago] < 1472879490 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that really work? < 1472879496 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1472879497 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it not work? < 1472879500 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If not, why is it in there? < 1472879506 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's not his account name is it < 1472879533 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I figured it was special somehow. < 1472879534 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: because of freenode's policy of putting lapsed founderships there < 1472879544 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's been there for a long time < 1472879557 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :since andreou got deregistered, maybe < 1472879658 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(note the F flag) < 1472879699 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, i don't know what powers arbitrary staff has < 1472879722 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps he can just tell chanserv to op him anywhere < 1472879761 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe he can do that but he isn't supposed to unless a channel has freenode-staff in the op list. < 1472879771 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :WELL < 1472879788 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm skeptical that it matters. < 1472879806 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you should swat him and see what happens hth < 1472879819 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you think about fft < 1472879842 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's fast, it's furry, it's transformational. < 1472879849 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :was i close? < 1472879851 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fancy fourier transform < 1472879859 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty close < 1472879879 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I went to conal's talk about it the other day: http://conal.net/talks/generic-fft.pdf < 1472879894 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1472879908 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a neat trick. < 1472879917 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But maybe I don't fully understand it. < 1472879944 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION doesn't really know what the trick is, he just knows fourier transforms in general. and has forgotten most of the proof details. < 1472879954 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you do if you want to do FFT of a prime size? < 1472879976 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :work in Z/(pZ) < 1472880000 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fourier transforms work in any locally compact abelian group. < 1472880025 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: The trick seems to be that if you do an FFT of size N*M, you can do a nested FFT of size M and N. < 1472880032 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But a bunch of things cancel out so you can do less work. < 1472880037 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...ok < 1472880048 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or something. < 1472880063 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's just taking product of groups < 1472880078 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming M and N are relatively prime < 1472880097 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It works for any M and N. < 1472880106 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though there's a special version that uses relatively prime M and N. < 1472880112 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1472880118 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But often people use a power of 2, and one of M or N is 2. < 1472880189 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :s-or-and- < 1472880213 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: There is no "Bandit" subtype I think? < 1472880222 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: That's true, but there is a Bandit card. < 1472880227 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So they could probably add the subtype. < 1472880236 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If such a subtype is added, then, possibly (if the card to surround might help) < 1472880252 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or they could add a Bandit supertype. < 1472880292 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neither seems needed to me actually < 1472880306 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess they could just add a Bandit type, in that case. < 1472880319 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That also doesn't seem right < 1472880330 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Subtype would be best if they were to add it at all. < 1472880500 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Other kind of idea can be "bands with other creatures with bands with other" < 1472881245 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another thing to write might be "Whenever an object is countered, put a +1/+1 counter on ~." < 1472882131 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please review this code tell me if you see anything wrong or whatever else http://zzo38computer.org/fossil/tavern.ui/artifact/890c961cedf74de7 < 1472882162 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For plain text download is http://zzo38computer.org/fossil/tavern.ui/raw/tavernc-parser.c?name=890c961cedf74de7997707e7899fe6d3eb5cc5c5 < 1472882731 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do you use Fossil? < 1472882776 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is better than Git < 1472882889 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :How? < 1472884044 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The program is a single file and the commands are simpler too, and it work better for "cathedral" style project, and it is just better the way I work < 1472884539 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1472884930 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, it can use SQL for ticket queries. < 1472885206 0 :Moony!4c014880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.72.128 JOIN :#esoteric < 1472885209 0 :Moony!4c014880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.72.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :moo < 1472885372 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did find a list of what disadvantages people mentioned about Fossil, but it is from six years ago, some of the things mentioned there are no longer true, and some are actually advantages to me. Specifically, the ticketing system using SQL is good, and lacking a rich text editor is also good. "The lack of deleting anything" and "No versioning of Fossil itself" are mentioned, but are no longer true. < 1472885943 0 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/oswg-member/yorick QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1472885951 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1472886942 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1472888368 0 :izabera!?@? NICK :elizabera < 1472888403 0 :elizabera!?@? NICK :izabera < 1472889082 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i downloaded a movie and the video quality is perfect and the audio is fine too, but the audio track is slightly slower than the video < 1472889108 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, after 1 hour or so the audio comes 2s sooner than it should < 1472889117 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do i fix this? :X < 1472889743 0 :augur!~augur@2601:640:8001:4222:7d2e:8bc1:4138:7981 JOIN :#esoteric < 1472889823 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1472890932 0 :MoALTz!~no@78-11-247-26.static.ip.netia.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1472892513 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A4BF3B.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1472894907 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=49681&oldid=49678 5* 03Qwerp-Derp 5* (+233) 10 < 1472894940 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Logicode14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=49682 5* 03Qwerp-Derp 5* (+2924) 10Added Logicode page < 1472894996 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=49683&oldid=49649 5* 03Qwerp-Derp 5* (+15) 10Added Logicode. < 1472897977 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A4BF3B.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1472899553 0 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1472900714 0 :Moony!4c014880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.72.128 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1472900960 0 :carado!~carado@2a01:e34:ec1e:2390:8341:b3f5:2d6:41fa QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1472901449 0 :carado!~carado@2a01:e34:ec1e:2390:8341:b3f5:2d6:41fa JOIN :#esoteric < 1472903522 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric : Maybe he can do that but he isn't supposed to unless a channel has freenode-staff in the op list ← freenode-staff is on the ACL because it's the dummy account used for 'successor' for single-# (on-topic) channels < 1472903549 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1472903556 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you need to shut this channel down now? < 1472903560 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not very official. < 1472903570 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :though incidentally there *is* an ACL entry that is supposed to indicate "it's fine if staff helps us deal with spam", but it's *@freenode/staff/* < 1472903586 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, that must be what I was thinking of. < 1472903593 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: not really, and I'm sure it's plenty official as a channel for esoteric.org < 1472903595 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've seen channels that did that. < 1472903606 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, official enough, that is < 1472903610 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esoteric.org/ looks very official < 1472903618 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1472903629 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :esolangs.org* < 1472903630 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :>.> < 1472903732 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1472904362 0 :Guest15977!~qdwdq@cm-84.213.210.92.getinternet.no QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1472904446 0 :augur!~augur@2601:640:8001:4222:7d2e:8bc1:4138:7981 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1472905017 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1472906114 0 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1472906844 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Quit: Jafet < 1472908880 0 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/oswg-member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1472910162 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so how did #esoteric survive anyway? < 1472910329 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Esolang:Community_portal hmm, #esocrypt... not even the founder is there anymore. < 1472911811 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a unicode character that's 2 columns wide and it looks like a circle? < 1472911869 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i tried with () but it doesn't really look like a circle and it's hollow < 1472912011 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :⬤ maybe? < 1472912023 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :my font doesn't have it :( < 1472912033 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's cool < 1472912064 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could also use a fullwidth O if you don't mind being very semantically incorrect < 1472912084 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and hollow) < 1472913951 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode 〠 < 1472913952 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+3020 POSTAL MARK FACE] < 1472919467 0 :Guest15977!~qdwdq@cm-84.213.210.92.getinternet.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1472922066 0 :polybot!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf JOIN :#esoteric < 1472922129 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A4BF3B.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1472922408 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: you're thinking of 〇 < 1472922415 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably < 1472922424 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :hollow too < 1472922446 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway i gave up < 1472922471 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wanted to make a ncurses goban but it's clearly impossible with custom fonts < 1472922474 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :without* < 1472922576 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are lots of characters that are circles with somehting inside < 1472922580 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :㋐㋑㋒㋓㋔㋕㋖㋗㋘㋙㋚㋛㋜㋝㋞㋟ < 1472922580 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :㋠㋡㋢㋣㋤㋥㋦㋧㋨㋩㋪㋫㋬㋭㋮㋯ < 1472922580 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :㋰㋱㋲㋳㋴㋵㋶㋷㋸㋹㋺㋻㋼㋽㋾ < 1472922630 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :as well as ones for every jamo < 1472922989 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: apparently you're supposed to use ⚆ ⚇ ⚈ ⚉ http://www.unicode.org/charts/PDF/U2600.pdf < 1472923014 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://xen.firefly.nu/up/2016-09-03_181646.png < 1472923775 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :go stones don't have dots < 1472923851 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have no idea what "go markers" are < 1472923951 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: i thought you played go? < 1472923987 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do < 1472923989 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1472923997 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort of a little bit < 1472924033 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Go_(game)#Notation_and_recording_games based on this it seems it's used for kifus or something < 1472924045 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I dunno what the dots are supposed to be for < 1472924097 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.o kifus don't have stones < 1472924102 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :they only have move numbers < 1472924137 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.asahi.com/igo/photogallery/image/TKY200609210129.jpg < 1472924180 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1472924601 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that a sealed move? < 1472924639 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1472924989 0 :polybot!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1472924995 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf JOIN :#esoteric < 1472925633 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bloop < 1472926313 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: FireFly: There's a thread on the Unicode mailing list about that: http://unicode.org/pipermail/unicode/2016-March/003412.html < 1472926445 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a few pointers to examples of use, e.g. http://library.msri.org/books/Book29/files/kim.pdf (diagram in chapter 4) < 1472926577 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though the actual answer seems to be that they just got dragged along by something called the "STIX (font) project", the records of which don't happen to mention where they came from. < 1472926613 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or something like that, anyway. < 1472926759 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@82.2.190.177 JOIN :#esoteric < 1472928722 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Ps4star 5* 10New user account < 1472930160 0 :keemyb!keemyb@gateway/shell/fnordserver.eu/x-qnnibiwbkzjxutpv QUIT :Quit: https://fnordserver.eu < 1472930270 0 :APNG!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey look https://bitbucket.org/SoniEx2/prexcl/src/1cbfca8c3a31/if.prexcl?at=master < 1472930275 0 :APNG!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haz conditionals < 1472931551 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm provisionally appalled. < 1472931691 0 :augur!~augur@2601:640:8001:4222:b539:c747:e3e3:b640 JOIN :#esoteric < 1472932232 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1472932313 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf JOIN :#esoteric < 1472932877 0 :keemyb!keemyb@gateway/shell/fnordserver.eu/x-pzaaannhmvuqfjmr JOIN :#esoteric < 1472933859 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1472934079 0 :augur!~augur@2601:640:8001:4222:b539:c747:e3e3:b640 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1472934189 0 :Effilry!znc@freenode/staff/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1472934229 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1472934230 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly QUIT :Quit: Goodbye < 1472934258 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 JOIN :#esoteric < 1472934328 0 :Effilry!?@? NICK :FireFly < 1472934364 0 :augur!~augur@2601:640:8001:4222:c5a7:e039:f55f:d466 JOIN :#esoteric < 1472934420 0 :augur!~augur@2601:640:8001:4222:c5a7:e039:f55f:d466 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1472935526 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :In you all's opinion, whats the optimal precision a calculator should have (in digits) < 1472935574 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 < 1472935608 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :even for one that does algebra and allows function definitions? < 1472935649 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that case what do you need numbers for? < 1472935674 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but basically I don't think that there is any such optimum < 1472935693 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :so this: [02:27.19] ~>solve math.js 3600/60/60 # Accuracy check < 1472935693 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :[02:28.14] ~>solve math.js sin(3600)/60/60 # Accuracy check < 1472935693 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :[02:28.15] -7.280109972724905e-5 < 1472935703 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :derp < 1472935711 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i tried to edit it < 1472935712 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i failed < 1472936197 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :We need more warning symbols < 1472936211 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :like what? < 1472936287 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1472936506 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1472936742 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1472937107 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A4BF3B.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in < 1472937143 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is JOIN :#esoteric < 1472937208 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1472937212 0 :Zarutian_!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is JOIN :#esoteric < 1472937387 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm. When I press tab in python-mode, the status line just says "Wrong type argument: number-or-marker-p, nil", and doesn't indent anything. That's not optimal. < 1472938234 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1472941540 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1472941723 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1472943997 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1472944791 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1472945086 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell ais523 i notice that two more users have managed to perform the procedure, but am disturbed that one of them failed to resubmit the page creation that required it. < 1472945086 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1472945097 0 :MoALTz!~no@78-11-247-26.static.ip.netia.com.pl QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1472945193 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell fizzie i notice that two more users have managed to perform the new procedure today, but am disturbed that one of them failed to resubmit the page creation that required it. there _really_ needs to be some adjustment and i don't think it can be done purely through the filters. < 1472945193 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1472945396 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Simplified Circuit Diagram14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=49684 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+2857) 10Page creation by [[User:Ps4star]] that was caught in the spam filter. Our new procedure really needs some adjustment... < 1472945502 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sigh* < 1472945934 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only solution is to teach the spam filter to identify text about computer science-related topics < 1472945952 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User talk:Ps4star14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=49685 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+300) 10Created your page for you < 1472946046 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: i don't think our wiki really works that way. Of course if we could at least use one of the more well-used filtering solutions... < 1472946097 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was meant to be tongue-in-cheek < 1472946115 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just throw machine learning at it; that'll solve everything! < 1472946117 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had sort of half-retired from wiki work but now i feel almost like i'm the only active admin... < 1472946120 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: YEP < 1472946120 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@82.2.190.177 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1472946136 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it'll shut out the rest of us and take over the world < 1472946436 0 :kragniz!~kragniz@nyaa.kragniz.eu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1472946624 0 :kragniz!~kragniz@nyaa.kragniz.eu JOIN :#esoteric < 1472946882 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :What sort of thing would you want to have? < 1472946898 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i'm not sure what really exists < 1472946924 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but something that was good enough that we could open up the wiki for anonymous edits again would be ideal. < 1472947023 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's at least one daily-updating IP block list that I've seen recommended, at http://www.stopforumspam.com/downloads/ < 1472947126 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: So you're not going to the bay area #esoteric meeting in October? < 1472947128 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the idea of having some kind of emergency shutdown for when the spammers get through nevertheless seemed to have stalled after the new (brutal) filter got added. < 1472947148 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite unlikely. < 1472947191 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( there'll be just shachaf and an irc terminal ) < 1472947199 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, fizzie will be here. < 1472947202 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh < 1472947203 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But he may be reluctant. < 1472947208 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Bay Area is expensive as shit when most possible employers see lack of degree and stop talking to you. < 1472947222 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Is that actually true? < 1472947232 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :That at least *appears* to be the case. < 1472947235 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even with Google experience? < 1472947263 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't say for sure because I don't know for sure why I've had so much trouble, but that's what I'm inferring. < 1472947276 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What approach have you been using? < 1472947292 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: maybe try that list, and we can see how much it helps. < 1472947333 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finding people, sending resumes, along with talking to recruiters, etc. Mostly I've been getting interviews that seem to go well and then get turned down. < 1472947371 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Often shortly after they ask about details of my college education. < 1472947418 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1472947420 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, granted I don't know for sure that's what's doing it, but... it sure seems to be the case. < 1472947548 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I will try to see if there's a reasonably low-effort way to do it with the setup we have. As for the emergency shutdown, I'm not sure how to implement that. I know there's a bunch of relatively stable and well-supported/updated access control style extensions that could maybe be retrofitted to do it. < 1472947732 0 :Robdgreat!~rob@unaffiliated/robdgreat QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1472947758 0 :Robdgreat!~rob@unaffiliated/robdgreat JOIN :#esoteric < 1472947836 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, yeah. Regardless, not too bad a time for me to finish up my degree. < 1472948051 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell ais523 oh wait, Ps4Star didn't actually introduce emself. hm... < 1472948051 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1472948115 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I saw their account creation, and went to have a look at the abusefilter log, but it hadn't triggered yet at that time. < 1472948130 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User talk:Ps4star14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=49686&oldid=49685 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+77) 10Oops I misread what happened a bit. < 1472948165 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1472948575 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION feels less alone < 1472948604 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: helloerjan < 1472948616 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :got any good puns for me today? < 1472948652 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shellochaf. < 1472948699 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :surprisingly, i'm out. < 1472948729 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :...I was hoping that would be followed by "quit: oerjan" < 1472948834 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1472948843 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would have been a good pun. < 1472948849 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't actually want you to quit. < 1472948870 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shocking < 1472948896 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's a good way to render directed graphs semi-interactively? < 1472948911 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably in JavaScript, because that's where everything is nowadays. < 1472948919 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to render sorting algorithms as discussed in this channel a few days ago. < 1472949101 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1472949221 0 :Zarutian_!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is QUIT :Quit: Zarutian_ < 1472949785 0 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oculicthttrcsria JOIN :#esoteric < 1472952293 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Fizzie14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=49687&oldid=48912 5* 03Fizzie 5* (+0) 10Post-upgrade edit test for 1.27.1. < 1472952311 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :That doesn't help at all with the spam, but was all I could manage to actually get done. < 1472952622 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1472953033 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/abusefilter14]]4 modify10 02 5* 03Ais523 5* 10modified [[02Special:AbuseFilter/910]] ([[Special:AbuseFilter/history/9/diff/prev/54]]) < 1472953497 0 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-pjjpphrtkzluaurw QUIT :Excess Flood < 1472953533 0 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-dwdwfqfllnkkshmz JOIN :#esoteric < 1472955225 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm? < 1472955392 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose that change might help a little, although it won't help those people who get put off altogether. < 1472957639 0 :carado!~carado@2a01:e34:ec1e:2390:8341:b3f5:2d6:41fa QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1472959901 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1472960951 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1472961630 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( I wish I could put Python scripts on my router. Maybe I'll have to figure out a way to do that someday < 1472962256 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i can help. < 1472962379 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: hm? < 1472962477 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you read that book about the scottish cryptid hunters mauled by the asbestos-furred beast against which their fire defense was useless? < 1472962509 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. < 1472962525 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION starts realizing _what_ quintopia is helping with... < 1472962529 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Unlightable Bear-Being of Ness? < 1472962596 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i *think* spoonerisms count as puns still) < 1472962796 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe. it's a bit of knife-edge. < 1472962802 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*of a < 1472962824 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :why must muphry's law apply to puns < 1472962929 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :or discussions thereof < 1472962966 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1472963015 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i really like that one tho. dunno if it would make any sense in norway tho < 1472963025 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so maybe you cant use < 1472963127 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the book is called "Tilværelsens uutholdelige letthet" in norwegian. it might need a bit of rethinking... < 1472963189 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1472963242 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only animal in there is "vær" which means ram. < 1472963286 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :give up. even you cannot surmount it. < 1472963301 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shocking < 1472963365 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what have i missed? < 1472963436 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :some linguistic porthellos, oren's irc script calculator... < 1472963451 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode snowflake < 1472963455 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​❄ < 1472963468 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :❄calc 2+2 < 1472963468 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :☃ nonextant cmd. < 1472963472 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn < 1472963484 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :❄help < 1472963484 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :☃ nonextant cmd. < 1472963488 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spoonerism*alliteration = 0 < 1472963515 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :❄ocal 2+2 < 1472963515 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :☃ < 1472963519 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :❄ocal 2+2p < 1472963519 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :☃ 2 < 1472963522 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1472963527 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :❄ocal 2 2+p < 1472963528 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :☃ 4 < 1472963532 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there you go. < 1472963539 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is ❄ doing now? < 1472963542 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait < 1472963544 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :❄ hi < 1472963544 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :☃ nonextant cmd. < 1472963547 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh. < 1472963551 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: What client are you using? < 1472963564 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :irssi < 1472963566 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1472963579 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(/ctcp \oren\ VERSION) < 1472963612 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there were some other commands too, which i've forgotten. < 1472963635 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :sad i missed todays porthellos. what were they? < 1472963643 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh not today < 1472963658 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was assuming you'd been gone for a while. < 1472963669 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but boily hasn't been on yet. < 1472963701 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, yes < 1472963707 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yesterday though it was... maadwoerjan iirc < 1472963724 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a language i'd never heard of. < 1472963726 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are porthellos being standardized now? < 1472963739 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: not particularly. < 1472963776 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in our ever-ongoing quest to think of new ones, boily and i started looking up other languages < 1472963820 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which we have to guess < 1472964695 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAAAAAA < 1472964725 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have too many spacecraft doing stuff at once < 1472964793 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :any space junk creating collisions < 1472964921 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: no, but several things have mysteriously exploded < 1472964975 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1472964991 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no casualties so far, but there's like 13 tourists on various spacecraft so it's only a matter of time < 1472965050 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :13 tourists is bad luck < 1472965340 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah counted them. 13 tourists, on four different tour craft... < 1472965720 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I can land this craft successfully, there will only be nine < 1472965839 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( And then there were nine ) < 1472965892 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: also if unsuccessfully hth < 1472966249 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: Bah! Everyone knows that if you HAVE to have 13 people in separate groups you should at least divide them evenly among the groups or the luck becomes 13x worse! < 1472966572 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1472966868 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1472967145 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a prime suggestion if i ever saw one. < 1472968021 0 :Kaynato!~Aedile@cpe-174-100-169-144.neo.res.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1472968211 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you explain this question? "If I have a Ouija board in my house, but I only use it at other properties, will my house still be whatever you people say it truly is?" < 1472968541 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think you should ask in the other kind of #esoteric hth < 1472968672 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :my hunch is, though, that it relates to some superstition about divination affecting houses where they are performed, but i have not heard that so i don't even know if it's supposed to be good or bad < 1472968700 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that might very well depend on who you ask. i'd expect christians to think it's bad and new agers to think it's good... < 1472968786 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the former because divination might be seen as magic or devil worship) < 1472968840 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the question presumably asks whether whatever the effect is happens even if the ouija board is only stored in the house. < 1472968988 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The question was posted on an article about a kind of ouija board in QWERTY order, and mentioning ideomotor effect, and that you might use a computer on-screen keyboard with hover mode. The people who wrote this article are not occult.) < 1472969052 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Landing sucessful! nothing exploded < 1472969075 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ic. i think the questioner may have been confused by the article and thought it _was_ about something occult, then. < 1472969253 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :we got almost a million funds from these tourists for bringing them home from the Mun safely < 1472969314 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or perhaps there was a different comment that was, and which it was responding to. < 1472969347 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: money from munatics < 1472969515 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the great thing about his is that the vehicle was an SSTO and therefore we barely spent any money to get them ther and back < 1472969796 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :just fuel. < 1472970943 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: That was the first comment. < 1472970994 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: maybe it was to a deleted comment. (just theorizing here...) < 1472971213 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly < 1472971250 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have not checked the history, but even so they could have deleted it from the history too. < 1472971618 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly QUIT :Quit: Goodbye < 1472971942 0 :augur!~augur@2601:640:8001:4222:74c1:b3d2:5f77:5eb7 JOIN :#esoteric < 1472972590 0 :augur!~augur@2601:640:8001:4222:74c1:b3d2:5f77:5eb7 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1472973052 0 :augur!~augur@2601:640:8001:4222:8080:b358:acd1:e829 JOIN :#esoteric < 1472973564 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ha! < 1472973585 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Minsky once offered a prize to anyone who could stop the Loebner Prize competition < 1472973594 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Loebner claimed that made Minsky a co-sponsor < 1472973682 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1472974261 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1472974430 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07MiniStringFuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=49688&oldid=49639 5* 03Erikkonstas 5* (+13) 10HUGE FAULT!! < 1472975317 0 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oculicthttrcsria QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1472975385 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07MiniStringFuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=49689&oldid=49688 5* 03Erikkonstas 5* (+197) 10faults < 1472975544 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07MiniStringFuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=49690&oldid=49689 5* 03Erikkonstas 5* (+91) 10/* Optimizer */ < 1472975657 0 :augur!~augur@2601:640:8001:4222:8080:b358:acd1:e829 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1472975806 0 :augur!~augur@2601:640:8001:4222:919e:3cc:e455:a8cc JOIN :#esoteric < 1472975937 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Logicode14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=49691&oldid=49682 5* 03Qwerp-Derp 5* (-2) 10 < 1472976595 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-LhWP_T0IA this is the most amazing sword swallowing acrobat i've seen in the past 10 minutes < 1472977982 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Unreliable Omniscient Third-Person Narrator" < 1472977991 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Omniscient First Person" < 1472981061 0 :carado!~carado@2a01:e34:ec1e:2390:8341:b3f5:2d6:41fa JOIN :#esoteric < 1472982947 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A4BF3B.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1472984191 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :❄dvcalc 39.65 1755 nuke < 1472984191 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :☃ Δv = 1963.13131378555 < 1472985649 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@ppp-115-87-226-37.revip4.asianet.co.th JOIN :#esoteric < 1472986980 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1472987229 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@ppp-115-87-226-37.revip4.asianet.co.th QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1472988633 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1472989973 0 :Tritonio!~tr@185.65.134.78 JOIN :#esoteric < 1472992099 0 :primo_!~primo@49.49.248.83 JOIN :#esoteric < 1472992192 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1472993681 0 :augur!~augur@2601:640:8001:4222:919e:3cc:e455:a8cc QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1472993961 0 :primo_!~primo@49.49.248.83 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1472996440 0 :Reece`!~Ner@cpc4-wiga13-2-0-cust799.18-3.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1472996782 0 :APNG!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :when truth tables are built into your language https://bitbucket.org/SoniEx2/prexcl/src/2085607cd948/if.prexcl?at=master < 1472996821 0 :Tritonio!~tr@185.65.134.78 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1472996931 0 :Tritonio!~tr@185.65.134.74 JOIN :#esoteric < 1472997083 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A4BF3B.access.telenet.be QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1472997128 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-2hj4tbos9tbg7901hqx0qnz6r.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1473001293 0 :Tritonio!~tr@185.65.134.74 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1473003171 0 :MoALTz!~no@78-11-247-26.static.ip.netia.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1473003621 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made a maths joke, I'm afraid < 1473003632 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you call a sporadic group which lives in the Republic of Ireland? < 1473003704 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I probably don't know enough group theory to get this < 1473003942 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1473003984 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Munster Group < 1473004258 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how well known the provinces of Ireland are (I don't even recognize their names) < 1473004587 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Dr. Stravinsky was a bit of an eccentric fellow, even for a pure mathematics professor. < 1473004622 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :But he was nonetheless a good friend to have, because of his extensive personal library, full of rare and exotic mathematical texts. < 1473004666 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :He was an expert curator, and his thousands of books were maintained in meticulous order; he was always able to find any book almost instantly. < 1473004681 0 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :B-) < 1473004748 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the department chair had an issue with him: he hadn't fulfilled his mandatory service to the university in quite some time. < 1473004823 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eventually, Dr. Stravinsky was called into the chair's office, and she said "You are required to put in service hours, so if you won't find something to do, I will. I've arranged for you to go down to the library and help them catalogue their books. This should be right up your alley." < 1473004845 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :Realizing that his job was on the line, Dr. Stravinsky begrudgingly went over to the library to work. < 1473004851 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :One week later, he was in the chair's office again. < 1473004854 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm guessing nobody in the library found any books. < 1473004912 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The library tells me that you're useless sorting! How is it that you have a meticulously arranged personal library, yet when you go to the university library, you don't even seem to know where to start?" < 1473004926 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dr. Stravinsky just replied, "I can only order well when given the choice!" < 1473004939 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shanks'_square_forms_factorization in this algorithm, how do i choose k? < 1473004943 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :alercah, ... < 1473004956 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I knew how to make a squinty face smiley I would < 1473004961 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, good joke :D < 1473004965 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"squinty face"? < 1473004986 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thank you! < 1473005032 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't get the joke, but TBH I'm still trying to resolve the ambiguity of the word "choice". < 1473005038 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It could be the choice (of how to sort the books) < 1473005047 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or the choice (to sort the books) < 1473005064 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj, the latter, also the axiom < 1473005151 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: "[...] a small multiplier k. [...] Otherwise try another value of k." ... sounds to me like you start from 1 and increment until you're successful or give up < 1473005166 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :when do i give up? < 1473005194 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: it doesn't really matter. the pun is on the axiom of choice < 1473005205 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :and its equivalence with the well-ordering principle < 1473005222 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :now that makes sense < 1473005235 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you see, I'm not exactly a maths person < 1473005254 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a "why on earth did Wikipedia write all these expressions in this weird notation, when it makes so much more sense in code form" person < 1473005266 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(aka. a dumb idiot) < 1473005502 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@ppp-115-87-226-143.revip4.asianet.co.th JOIN :#esoteric < 1473005949 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: I have no idea. How does this compare to Pollard's rho method? (which is exprected to take O(sqrt(p)) steps where p is the smallest prime factor of N, so O(N^(1/4)) as well) < 1473005984 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I don't have time for this right now. < 1473005987 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :people on mathoverflow say that squfof is faster up to 64 bit < 1473006013 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://mathoverflow.net/questions/114018/fastest-way-to-factor-integers-260 < 1473006020 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually they said 60 bits < 1473006059 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in that case I guess you simply never give up < 1473006075 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1473006090 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you should do primality tests in advance, of course, to avoid factoring primes) < 1473006098 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1473006114 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :deterministic miller rabin first, and then k from 1 to infinity and beyond < 1473006131 0 :petsu!~tepru@aneu.me JOIN :#esoteric < 1473007347 0 :petsu!~tepru@aneu.me PRIVMSG #esoteric :< 3 < 3 < 1473007433 0 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :♥ ♥ 😸 < 1473007609 0 :petsu!~tepru@aneu.me PRIVMSG #esoteric :: D : D < 1473007625 0 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://mashable.com/2015/10/15/penis-emoji/#dSSp2lZKwmqi < 1473008630 0 :petsu!~tepru@aneu.me PRIVMSG #esoteric :so like i just tore off my pinky toe toe nail < 1473008643 0 :petsu!~tepru@aneu.me PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone wa nt to see the pile of nails i've picked off < 1473008646 0 :petsu!~tepru@aneu.me PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks for listening < 1473009098 0 :Kaynato!~Aedile@cpe-174-100-169-144.neo.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1473009178 0 :leedsutdsman!~leedsutds@179.53.26.219 JOIN :#esoteric < 1473009512 0 :petsu!?@? NICK :cyra < 1473010506 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1473010888 0 :leedsutdsman!~leedsutds@179.53.26.219 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1473012263 0 :phinary!~phin4ry@208-104-132-203.brvd.dsl.dyn.comporium.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1473012304 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1473012981 0 :phinary!~phin4ry@208-104-132-203.brvd.dsl.dyn.comporium.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1473013329 0 :Robdgreat!~rob@unaffiliated/robdgreat QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1473013338 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1473013489 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@ppp-115-87-226-143.revip4.asianet.co.th QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1473014104 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf JOIN :#esoteric < 1473014144 0 :Robdgreat!~rob@unaffiliated/robdgreat JOIN :#esoteric < 1473015278 0 :gremlins!~Ner@cpc4-wiga13-2-0-cust799.18-3.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1473015343 0 :Reece`!~Ner@cpc4-wiga13-2-0-cust799.18-3.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1473015813 0 :Tritonio!~tr@185.65.134.81 JOIN :#esoteric < 1473015962 0 :Caesura!~Aedile@cpe-174-100-169-144.neo.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1473016165 0 :Kaynato!~Aedile@cpe-174-100-169-144.neo.res.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1473016435 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1473017312 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :TIL the National Film Registry, America's DVD collection where we store all the good movies in case the world ends in fire so we'll have something to watch after Armageddon, includes Star Wars (now: Star Wars: A New Hope) and Star Wars: The Empire Strikes Back < 1473017317 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But not Return of the Jedi < 1473017597 0 :Reece`!~Ner@cpc4-wiga13-2-0-cust799.18-3.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1473017823 0 :gremlins!~Ner@cpc4-wiga13-2-0-cust799.18-3.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1473018415 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :How come? < 1473018487 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_deposit#United_States "The Library of Congress does not retain all works." huh. < 1473018494 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :DVD won't help; you will need to store them in uncompressed unencrypted format, in case the document for DVD-video decoding is also destroyed by the fire. < 1473018581 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :We have two libraries that are required by law to keep copies of all documents sent as legal deposit < 1473018615 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :For preservation and whatnot < 1473019252 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1473019540 0 :phinary!~phin4ry@208-104-132-203.brvd.dsl.dyn.comporium.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1473019585 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1473019838 0 :phinary!~phin4ry@208-104-132-203.brvd.dsl.dyn.comporium.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1473020011 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: but I don't understand the YUV spec! < 1473020066 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(/NTSC/PAL/Kentucky Signal Encoding/fbdev archival format/if you are still reading this, the last two entries are fake) < 1473020466 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then watch them in grayscale. < 1473020819 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: what about the CRT specifications? < 1473020939 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know; you can figure out what to do < 1473020992 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1473021733 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I've thought of a good toy for children... (the idea, of course, being that in an apocalypse, one might survive): The Electron Gun! < 1473022923 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it made only out of electrons? < 1473022954 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: Sadly, no. < 1473022983 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it fires electrons, with pinpoint accuracy! (Warning. Bringing an Electron Gun to a water gun fight may result in death.) < 1473023136 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you manage to target your opponent and bypass the air in between? < 1473023149 0 :Reece`!~Ner@cpc4-wiga13-2-0-cust799.18-3.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1473023156 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just set the power level high enough, and destroy the air faster than it can refill the space. < 1473023169 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Warning. This may not be scientifically accurate.) < 1473023213 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Though, really, if people had to worry from eye cancer from being too close to CRTs, think about what a completely unguarded beam could do...) < 1473023504 0 :primo_!~primo@49.49.242.248 JOIN :#esoteric < 1473024008 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I read that as "made only out of elections" for some reason.. < 1473024021 0 :Robdgreat!~rob@unaffiliated/robdgreat PRIVMSG #esoteric :close enough < 1473024748 0 :augur!~augur@2601:640:8001:4222:6597:eb67:4f74:7252 JOIN :#esoteric < 1473024914 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you know some idea which can help I can make up some Magic: the Gathering cards and some sets and blocks (in some cases, existing blocks). < 1473024944 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1473024948 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made up some cards but I would hope can make with collaboration. < 1473025541 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :We can also to make up the "esoteric programming block" of Magic: the Gathering cards. < 1473027012 0 :Akaibu!uid118096@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jdmleuxjlcustcuj QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1473027153 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-2hj4tbos9tbg7901hqx0qnz6r.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in < 1473027515 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is JOIN :#esoteric < 1473029074 0 :carado!~carado@2a01:e34:ec1e:2390:8341:b3f5:2d6:41fa QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1473029863 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1473030829 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :One card was "Human Supremacy Corporation", which is a black and white permanent card which damages non-Human creatures. How I had it before might not be as so good and I wanted to make a better card that does that; do you have idea? < 1473031749 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is QUIT :Quit: Zarutian < 1473032319 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1473032437 0 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw1-54fa3f-129.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1473032445 0 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1473032816 0 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1473032877 0 :Guest15977!~qdwdq@cm-84.213.210.92.getinternet.no QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1473033131 0 :Guest15977!~qdwdq@cm-84.213.210.92.getinternet.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1473033170 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1473033184 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@216.137.247.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1473033494 0 :ineiros!~itniemin@kapsi.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1473033681 0 :ineiros!ineiros@kapsi.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1473034341 0 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw1-54fa3f-129.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1473035051 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1473035299 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : I probably don't know enough group theory to get this <-- i knew enough group theory but not enough irish geography. < 1473035338 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd actually heard about the monster group, but that is probably more due to casual wikipedia browsing than maths knowledge < 1473035354 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it _is_ the most famous sporadic group. < 1473035361 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and the largest) < 1473035366 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's even listed on WP:UA < 1473036047 0 :MoALTz!~no@78-11-247-26.static.ip.netia.com.pl QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1473036290 0 :Tritonio!~tr@185.65.134.81 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1473036314 0 :Tritonio!~tr@185.65.134.81 JOIN :#esoteric < 1473036323 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@ppp-115-87-226-143.revip4.asianet.co.th JOIN :#esoteric < 1473038112 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@216.137.247.57 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1473038267 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@ppp-115-87-226-143.revip4.asianet.co.th QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1473038413 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@ppp-115-87-226-143.revip4.asianet.co.th JOIN :#esoteric < 1473038794 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@ppp-115-87-226-143.revip4.asianet.co.th QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1473039098 0 :Tritonio!~tr@185.65.134.81 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1473039293 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@ppp-115-87-226-143.revip4.asianet.co.th JOIN :#esoteric < 1473039362 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@ppp-115-87-226-143.revip4.asianet.co.th QUIT :Client Quit < 1473039674 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@216.137.247.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1473039736 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Logicode14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=49692&oldid=49691 5* 03Qwerp-Derp 5* (+64) 10 < 1473039797 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Logicode14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=49693&oldid=49692 5* 03Qwerp-Derp 5* (+39) 10 < 1473041012 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@216.137.247.57 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1473041777 0 :Robdgreat!~rob@unaffiliated/robdgreat QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1473041787 0 :Robdgreat!~rob@unaffiliated/robdgreat JOIN :#esoteric < 1473042569 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@216.137.247.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1473042820 0 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@194.108.5.201 JOIN :#esoteric < 1473042914 0 :Froox!~Frooxius@194.108.5.201 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1473042915 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@216.137.247.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Apparently, flagged half notes are a thing < 1473042920 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@216.137.247.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I think you're the one I was talking to) < 1473045352 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@216.137.247.57 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1473045450 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the sound quality like on bone-conduction headphones? < 1473045486 0 :Robdgreat!~rob@unaffiliated/robdgreat PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is relevant to my interests < 1473045583 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a bit ossified. < 1473045599 0 :Robdgreat!~rob@unaffiliated/robdgreat PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION holds up a giant BOOO sign < 1473045671 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you, i'll be here all week, unless i get dragged away. < 1473049489 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`bienvenido Robdgreat < 1473049496 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Robdgreat: ¡Bienvenido al centro internacional para el diseño y despliegue de lenguajes de programación esotéricos! Por desgracia, la mayoría de nosotros no hablamos español. Para obtener más información, echa un vistazo a nuestro wiki: http://esolangs.org/. (Para el otro tipo de esoterismo, prueba #esoteric en EFnet o DALnet.) < 1473049520 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ignore the bit about no hablamos espñol. < 1473049540 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought the welcomes were supposed to be direct translations? < 1473049556 0 :Robdgreat!~rob@unaffiliated/robdgreat PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, help me out here. which bot am I ignoring? < 1473049564 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you ignoring HackEgo? < 1473049573 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: it's because of the venezuelans, who wouldn't get the point that this isn't a spanish channel. < 1473049579 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? welcome < 1473049580 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: . (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.) < 1473049583 0 :Robdgreat!~rob@unaffiliated/robdgreat PRIVMSG #esoteric :there we go < 1473049590 0 :Robdgreat!~rob@unaffiliated/robdgreat PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to live to regret unignoring him < 1473049592 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome Robdgreat < 1473049594 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​09Robdgreat: 02Welcome 06to 13the 04international 07hub 08for 09esoteric 02programming 06language 13design 04and 07deployment! 08For 09more 02information, 06check 13out 04our 07wiki: 08. 09(For 02the 06other 13kind 04of 07esoterica, 08try 09#esoteric 02on 06EFnet 13or 04DALnet.) < 1473049607 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :trust shachaf to work hard on the regretting part < 1473049631 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slwd welcome//s#!#! Unfortunately, most of us do not speak Spanish.# < 1473049640 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: does this mean that you do speak spanish < 1473049641 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :man relcome looks a lot better with my new color scheme < 1473049647 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not me. < 1473049667 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I don't mean that it's false, just irrelevant. < 1473049688 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Come on, I've made so many improvements to HackEgo. < 1473049693 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps. < 1473049703 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? shaventions < 1473049704 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shaventions include: before/lastfiles, culprits, hog/{h,d}oag, le//rn, tmp/, mk/mkx, sled/sedlast, spore/spam/speek/sport/1. Taneb invented them. < 1473049712 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Without me you'd still be echo > and seding all the time. < 1473049723 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tru < 1473049724 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And never culpriting, and so on. < 1473049747 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cwlprits shavention < 1473049749 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf shachaf shachaf shachaf shachaf < 1473049771 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what'd doag? < 1473049772 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`dowg shavention < 1473049777 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2016-06-28 slwd shavention//s#hogue#{h,d}oag# \ 2016-06-25 sled wisdom/shavention//s#mk#tmp/, mk# \ 2016-06-07 sled wisdom/shavention//s/\\*list, // \ 2016-06-05 sedlast s/$/. Taneb invented them./ \ 2016-06-05 le/rn shavention/shaventions include: before/lastfiles, culprits, hog/hogue, le//rn, *lis < 1473049793 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty sure I shavented some more things since then. < 1473049821 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i guess i invented the w versions, maybe. < 1473049830 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`dog bin/doag < 1473049831 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: dog: not found < 1473049838 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`doag bin/doag < 1473049840 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2016-06-27 mkx bin/doag//hg log --removed --template "{date|shortdate} {desc}\\n" -- "$@" < 1473049854 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was in June?! < 1473049872 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` rgrep -l template bin < 1473049876 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin/lastfiles \ bin/hoag \ bin/doag \ bin/macro \ bin/hog \ bin/culprits-ng \ bin/before < 1473049921 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes, you shavented all the w versions. < 1473050001 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` rgrep -l wisdom bin < 1473050002 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin/lastwisdoms \ bin/learn \ bin/learn_append2 \ bin/leann \ bin/slashlearn \ bin/dowg \ bin/learn_append \ bin/howg \ bin/slwd \ bin/forget \ bin/? \ bin/pastewisdom \ bin/wisdöm \ bin/cwlprits \ bin/footnote \ bin/wisdom \ bin/ls < 1473050013 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/wisdöm < 1473050014 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/sh \ wisdom | döts < 1473050018 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` cat bin/ho{,a}g < 1473050019 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hg log --template "{desc}\n" -- "$@" \ hg log --removed --template "{desc}\n" -- "$@" < 1473050023 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/döts < 1473050024 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/sh \ print_args_or_input "$@" | sed -re "y/aehiotuwxyAEHIOUWXY/äëḧïöẗüẅẍÿÄËḦÏÖÜẄẌŸ/" < 1473050055 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you going to shavent dog for completeness? < 1473050073 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah < 1473050078 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/lastwisdoms < 1473050079 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :find .hg/store/data/wisdom -type f -print0 | xargs -0 /bin/ls -t | perl -pe 'use POSIX;chop;$d=strftime("%F",localtime((stat($_))[9]));s=^.hg/store/data/wisdom/(.*).i$=\1 // =;s=^=/$d/ = if$d ne$p;$p=$d;s=_(.)=uc($1)=eg;s=~([0-9a-f][0-9a-f])=chr hex$1=eg' < 1473050093 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :classic b_jonas < 1473050099 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cwlprism lastwisdoms < 1473050100 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: cwlprism: not found < 1473050107 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cwlprits lastwisdoms < 1473050108 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just find it slightly inelegant that the a and w modifiers clash in position... < 1473050112 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1473050113 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about höwg? < 1473050125 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, is a consistently used < 1473050128 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Ah, good point. < 1473050147 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hoawg < 1473050153 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :howag < 1473050160 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haowg < 1473050170 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/ho{w,a}g < 1473050170 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat: bin/ho{w,a}g: No such file or directory < 1473050174 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` cat bin/ho{w,a}g < 1473050175 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hoag "wisdom/$1" \ hg log --removed --template "{desc}\n" -- "$@" < 1473050180 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's see. The etymology is: < 1473050183 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hog is hg log < 1473050201 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hoag is a variant of hog (that uses --removed to show everything that might be relevant) < 1473050205 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's named after Jonathan Hoag < 1473050209 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` mv bin/h{ow,wa}g < 1473050214 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1473050224 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :howg is a variant of howg that has the same pronunciation, but adds wisdom/ < 1473050229 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`hwag shavention < 1473050231 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ slwd shavention//s#hogue#{h,d}oag# \ sled wisdom/shavention//s#mk#tmp/, mk# \ sled wisdom/shavention//s/\\*list, // \ sedlast s/$/. Taneb invented them./ \ le/rn shavention/shaventions include: before/lastfiles, culprits, hog/hogue, le//rn, *list, mk/mkx, sled/sedlast, spore/spam/speek/sport/1 < 1473050238 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOT ANY MORE < 1473050243 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hwag? < 1473050245 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :tmns hth < 1473050271 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :whag < 1473050292 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Look, you can't just rename one of them. < 1473050295 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about dowg? < 1473050301 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should document the naming scheme if you < 1473050305 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :'re going to change it. < 1473050357 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`mkx bin/howg//echo "howg is deprecated! use hwag instead."; exec hwag "$@" < 1473050359 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin/howg < 1473050382 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` cat bin/dowg < 1473050383 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :doag "wisdom/$1" < 1473050414 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` mv bin/d{ow,wa}g < 1473050416 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1473050474 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION feels conflicted < 1473050536 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't understand this new scheme. < 1473050542 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` mv bin/d{wa,ow}g < 1473050544 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1473050549 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` mv bin/h{wa,ow}g < 1473050551 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1473050557 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd rather revert the whole thing unless there's a consistent rationale or heuristic for figuring out the right script. < 1473050595 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY < 1473050600 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(DONE) < 1473050614 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls bin/*g < 1473050615 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin/anonlog \ bin/culprits-ng \ bin/doag \ bin/dowg \ bin/hoag \ bin/hog \ bin/howg \ bin/log \ bin/noping \ bin/pastalog \ bin/pastelog \ bin/pastlog \ bin/ping \ bin/pong \ bin/preprocess-mtg \ bin/randomanonlog \ bin/rng \ bin/searchlog \ bin/something < 1473050627 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/anonlog < 1473050628 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/sh \ cd /var/irclogs/_esoteric \ if [ "$1" ]; then \ grep -P -i -- "$1" ????-??-??.txt | shuf -n 1| sed "s=<[^>]*> ==" \ else \ file=$(shuf -en 1 ????-??-??.txt) \ echo "$file:$(grep "<.*>" $file | shuf -n 1)" | sed "s=<[^>]*> ==" \ fi < 1473050663 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/something < 1473050663 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ELF............>.....0@.....@....... ..........@.8..@.........@.......@.@.....@.@.....À.......À............................@......@............................................@.......@.....\ ......\ ........ ....................`......`.....`......¬....... .................`.....`.....à.......à................ < 1473050667 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls bin/{d,h}*g < 1473050668 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin/doag \ bin/dowg \ bin/hoag \ bin/hog \ bin/howg < 1473050671 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`something < 1473050672 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Segmentation fault < 1473050676 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :very good < 1473050685 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` grep -v 'remove' bin/{d,h}*g < 1473050686 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin/dowg:doag "wisdom/$1" \ bin/hog:hg log --template "{desc}\n" -- "$@" \ bin/howg:hoag "wisdom/$1" < 1473050690 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` objdump -d bin/something | paste < 1473050692 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/paste/paste.15531 < 1473050704 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`hoag bin/something < 1473050706 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ ` mv jnk/something bin/something < 1473050706 0 :Robdgreat!~rob@unaffiliated/robdgreat PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's this rubbish? < 1473050713 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's only hog which doesn't use --removed < 1473050720 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1473050726 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do we want to standardize on always using --removed? < 1473050741 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It gives more complete but often irrelevant output. < 1473050743 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Robdgreat: the'yre degugging and modifying the bot in realtime < 1473050781 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`dog < 1473050781 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: dog: not found < 1473050786 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`hog bin/something < 1473050787 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ ` mv jnk/something bin/something < 1473050793 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er. < 1473050795 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`hog jnk/something < 1473050796 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ ` mv bin/Something jnk/something < 1473050802 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`hog bin/Something < 1473050803 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ ` gcc -x c -o bin/Something wGAUV3ER \ ` gcc -x c waDs9gmT -o bin/Something \ ` gcc -x c UZ3ESUfL -o bin/Something \ ` gcc -x c 6TL7V2mM -o bin/Something \ ` gcc -x c yn9LVhJv -o bin/Something < 1473050812 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`hog wGAUV3ER < 1473050813 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ revert \ fetch http://pastebin.com/raw/wGAUV3ER < 1473050819 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`url wGAUV3ER < 1473050820 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/wGAUV3ER < 1473050844 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :an error ocured < 1473050980 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like that pastebin is some sort of crude interpreter < 1473050998 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah one of moon_'s experiments. < 1473051041 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or did he make a wiki page? i've forgotten.) < 1473051124 0 :digin4!~digin4@unaffiliated/digin4 JOIN :#esoteric < 1473051252 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome digin4 < 1473051254 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​07digin4: 08Welcome 09to 02the 06international 13hub 04for 07esoteric 08programming 09language 02design 06and 13deployment! 04For 07more 08information, 09check 02out 06our 13wiki: 04. 07(For 08the 09other 02kind 06of 13esoterica, 04try 07#esoteric 08on 09EFnet 02or 06DALnet.) < 1473051344 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, welcome should be the wisdom version of relcome < 1473051359 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is hth < 1473051462 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :true tdh < 1473051466 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? tmns < 1473051467 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tmns makes no sense. < 1473051474 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :the monkeys now sing < 1473051474 0 :digin4!~digin4@unaffiliated/digin4 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1473051496 0 :digin4!~digin4@unaffiliated/digin4 JOIN :#esoteric < 1473051581 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the bananas now fly < 1473051599 0 :digin4!~digin4@unaffiliated/digin4 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1473051615 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think digin4 found us too surreal < 1473051626 0 :digin4!~digin4@unaffiliated/digin4 JOIN :#esoteric < 1473051643 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :either that, or e's having connection trouble. < 1473051691 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should learn about surreal numbers. < 1473051695 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wasn't someone in here an expert? < 1473051731 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't remember. < 1473051775 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? surreal number < 1473051776 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :surreal number? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1473052077 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`le/rn surreal number/Surrey numbers are very county, as long as they're not Spelthorne. < 1473052080 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned «surreal number» < 1473052141 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that wisdom should be sufficiently surreal hth < 1473052943 0 :digin4!~digin4@unaffiliated/digin4 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1473053889 0 :cyra!~tepru@aneu.me PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am frustrated at higher education mathematdicks < 1473053893 0 :cyra!~tepru@aneu.me PRIVMSG #esoteric :: - ( < 1473053901 0 :cyra!~tepru@aneu.me PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i just have a bad teacher!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! < 1473054079 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@ppp-115-87-226-143.revip4.asianet.co.th JOIN :#esoteric < 1473054130 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1473055391 0 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@82.144.205.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1473055791 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@ppp-115-87-226-143.revip4.asianet.co.th QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1473056354 0 :digin4!~digin4@unaffiliated/digin4 JOIN :#esoteric < 1473056904 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1473057508 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1473057755 0 :digin4!~digin4@unaffiliated/digin4 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1473058325 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Your lightning is a dick to Reindeese < 1473058440 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1473058531 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :either hppavilion[1] is making a late surreal contribution, or he's finally cracked. < 1473058586 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1473059074 0 :Caesura!~Aedile@cpe-174-100-169-144.neo.res.rr.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1473059096 0 :Caesura!~Aedile@cpe-174-100-169-144.neo.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1473060375 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://sites.google.com/a/bostic.com/keithbostic/vi/nvi-faq#A14 < 1473060383 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can buy version 13.3 source with an unrestricted license for $400 from AT&T Software Solutions by calling +1-800-462-8146. Binary redistribution of cscope is an additional $1500, one-time flat fee. < 1473060386 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :suuuuuuuuuuuuure < 1473060390 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a bargain < 1473061004 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :compiling seems to be expensive < 1473061578 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Logicode14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=49694 5* 03Darkrifts 5* (+215) 10Created page with "In the '''IO''' section, it uses the term 
func
, but aren't 
circ
declarations the way to make functions? ~~~~" < 1473063051 0 :carado!~carado@2a01:e34:ec1e:2390:8341:b3f5:2d6:41fa JOIN :#esoteric < 1473064156 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan 300 reindeer were killed by lighting in Norway. < 1473064156 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1473064755 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION . o O ( Can a (novel-length) book be written without chapter format without looking terrible? ) < 1473064820 0 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xyfcmafuurxuuotp JOIN :#esoteric < 1473068052 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1473068542 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51a4bf3b.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1473069007 0 :Tritonio!~tr@185.65.134.79 JOIN :#esoteric < 1473069055 0 :Tritonio!~tr@185.65.134.79 QUIT :Excess Flood < 1473069068 0 :Tritonio!~tr@185.65.134.79 JOIN :#esoteric < 1473070234 0 :Guest15977!~qdwdq@cm-84.213.210.92.getinternet.no QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1473070947 0 :primo_!~primo@49.49.242.248 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1473073803 0 :Tritonio!~tr@185.65.134.79 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1473073834 0 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xyfcmafuurxuuotp QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1473074051 0 :Tritonio!~tr@185.65.134.74 JOIN :#esoteric < 1473077471 0 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@82.144.205.57 QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1473077529 0 :Tritonio!~tr@185.65.134.74 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1473077806 0 :primo_!~primo@49.49.244.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1473077894 0 :Guest15977!~qdwdq@cm-84.213.210.92.getinternet.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1473077993 0 :primo_!~primo@49.49.244.199 PART #esoteric : < 1473079649 0 :Tritonio!~tr@185.65.134.77 JOIN :#esoteric < 1473080304 0 :Tritonio!?@? NICK :Tritonio_ < 1473080539 0 :Tritonio_!?@? NICK :Tritonio < 1473080965 0 :Tritonio!?@? NICK :Tritonio_ < 1473080973 0 :augur!~augur@2601:640:8001:4222:6597:eb67:4f74:7252 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1473081044 0 :Tritonio_!?@? NICK :Tritonio__ < 1473081060 0 :Tritonio__!?@? NICK :Tritonio < 1473081245 0 :augur!~augur@2601:640:8001:4222:e53b:34b7:39fe:24d6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1473081501 0 :augur!~augur@2601:640:8001:4222:e53b:34b7:39fe:24d6 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1473081516 0 :Tritonio!~tr@185.65.134.77 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1473081537 0 :Tritonio!~tr@185.65.134.77 JOIN :#esoteric < 1473083275 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@ppp-115-87-226-143.revip4.asianet.co.th JOIN :#esoteric < 1473084536 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@ppp-115-87-226-143.revip4.asianet.co.th QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1473084702 0 :Tritonio!~tr@185.65.134.77 QUIT :Changing host < 1473084702 0 :Tritonio!~tr@unaffiliated/tritonio JOIN :#esoteric < 1473084830 0 :Tritonio!~tr@unaffiliated/tritonio QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1473084849 0 :Tritonio!~tr@unaffiliated/tritonio JOIN :#esoteric < 1473084887 0 :Tritonio!~tr@unaffiliated/tritonio QUIT :Excess Flood < 1473084899 0 :Tritonio!~tr@unaffiliated/tritonio JOIN :#esoteric < 1473085475 0 :yorick_!~yorick@oftn/oswg-member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1473085508 0 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/oswg-member/yorick QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1473085508 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@de1.ut.deewiant.iki.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1473085538 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@de1.ut.deewiant.iki.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1473085617 0 :digin4!~digin4@unaffiliated/digin4 JOIN :#esoteric < 1473086369 0 :Tritonio_!~tr@unaffiliated/tritonio JOIN :#esoteric < 1473086400 0 :Tritonio_!~tr@unaffiliated/tritonio QUIT :Excess Flood < 1473086414 0 :Tritonio_!~tr@unaffiliated/tritonio JOIN :#esoteric < 1473086444 0 :Tritonio_!~tr@unaffiliated/tritonio QUIT :Excess Flood < 1473086458 0 :Tritonio_!~tr@unaffiliated/tritonio JOIN :#esoteric < 1473086520 0 :Tritonio!~tr@unaffiliated/tritonio QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1473086639 0 :Tritonio_!?@? NICK :Tritonio < 1473088624 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1473088785 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@ppp-115-87-226-143.revip4.asianet.co.th JOIN :#esoteric < 1473089067 0 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1473089278 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1473089688 0 :polybot!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf JOIN :#esoteric < 1473091063 0 :digin4!~digin4@unaffiliated/digin4 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1473091322 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@LFbn-1-3085-42.w90-79.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1473091324 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@LFbn-1-3085-42.w90-79.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey hey < 1473091480 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@LFbn-1-3085-42.w90-79.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to rewrite my lazy bird interpreter < 1473091487 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@LFbn-1-3085-42.w90-79.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trying to do it with C# < 1473091492 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@LFbn-1-3085-42.w90-79.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :So far not working so good < 1473091494 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :write it in lazy bird < 1473091505 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@LFbn-1-3085-42.w90-79.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried thusly : < 1473091506 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@LFbn-1-3085-42.w90-79.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric : del printx = x => { Console.Write('a'); return x; }; < 1473091506 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@LFbn-1-3085-42.w90-79.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric : del m = x => x(x); < 1473091509 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@LFbn-1-3085-42.w90-79.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric : m(printx); < 1473091517 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@LFbn-1-3085-42.w90-79.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that only gives me a single a < 1473091529 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@LFbn-1-3085-42.w90-79.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not quite sure why, I think it might be the order of evaluation < 1473091755 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@LFbn-1-3085-42.w90-79.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah I think the evaluation is backward compared to the normal operation < 1473091766 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@LFbn-1-3085-42.w90-79.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :m(printx(i, 'a')(printx(i, 'b'))); prints "ab" rather than "ba" < 1473091778 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@LFbn-1-3085-42.w90-79.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait no < 1473091780 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@LFbn-1-3085-42.w90-79.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's correct < 1473091785 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@LFbn-1-3085-42.w90-79.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :But then why < 1473091840 0 :Tritonio!~tr@unaffiliated/tritonio QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1473091884 0 :Tritonio!~tr@unaffiliated/tritonio JOIN :#esoteric < 1473092232 0 :Tritonio!~tr@unaffiliated/tritonio QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1473092233 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@ppp-115-87-226-143.revip4.asianet.co.th QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1473092847 0 :Tritonio!~tr@unaffiliated/tritonio JOIN :#esoteric < 1473092893 0 :Tritonio!~tr@unaffiliated/tritonio QUIT :Excess Flood < 1473093210 0 :Tritonio!~tr@unaffiliated/tritonio JOIN :#esoteric < 1473093237 0 :Tritonio!~tr@unaffiliated/tritonio QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1473093493 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: I don't seem to recall C# having a "del" keyword. < 1473093517 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@LFbn-1-3085-42.w90-79.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :del is delegate del del(del a); < 1473093538 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@LFbn-1-3085-42.w90-79.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that kosher to make a pure lambda expression < 1473093554 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, seems fine. < 1473093580 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might name it Del, though. < 1473093585 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@LFbn-1-3085-42.w90-79.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :m(printx('a')); doesn't print two a's, even though printx('a')(printx('a')); does < 1473093606 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it's named "del", then someone might mistake it for a keyword. < 1473093624 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@LFbn-1-3085-42.w90-79.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Psh who cares for someone :p < 1473093632 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@LFbn-1-3085-42.w90-79.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not like someone else will see that code < 1473093710 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, when you evaluate m(printx('a')), that's going to first evaluate printx('a') (which will output 'a') and then call m() on the result. < 1473093760 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@LFbn-1-3085-42.w90-79.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm < 1473093768 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@LFbn-1-3085-42.w90-79.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can I switch the order of evaluation? < 1473093794 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But wait, why does printx('a') typecheck? Isn't printx a "del", meaning it can only take a "del" as an argument? < 1473093797 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@LFbn-1-3085-42.w90-79.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :It ain't called Lazy Bird for nothing < 1473093806 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you could do something like... < 1473093809 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@LFbn-1-3085-42.w90-79.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :printx isn't quite as pure < 1473093812 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :m(unusedValue => printx('a')) < 1473093817 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@LFbn-1-3085-42.w90-79.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's delegate del delchar(char c); < 1473093849 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :All right. < 1473093852 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe what you're after is... < 1473093874 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something along the lines of... < 1473093898 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :delchar printx = inputChar => x => { Console.Write(inputChar); return x; }; < 1473093932 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@LFbn-1-3085-42.w90-79.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would that solve my problem though < 1473093949 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@LFbn-1-3085-42.w90-79.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the evaluation is done in the wrong order it will change the behaviour of programs < 1473093972 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@LFbn-1-3085-42.w90-79.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm < 1473093987 0 :ocharles_!sid30093@musicbrainz/user/ocharles JOIN :#esoteric < 1473094003 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@LFbn-1-3085-42.w90-79.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could just rewrite a lambda interpreter myself but if I could change to lazy evaluation the existing lambdas it would be swell < 1473094045 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's gonna be a nice way to do this in C#... < 1473094050 0 :sewilton_!sid32560@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lignxibetvgbrotb JOIN :#esoteric < 1473094069 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@LFbn-1-3085-42.w90-79.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Technically this would only affect the non-pure operators < 1473094081 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@LFbn-1-3085-42.w90-79.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'm not sure how to fix this especially for those < 1473094095 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel like just using "del", exactly as you're currently using it, ought to work. < 1473094102 0 :pdxleif-!~pdxleif@ec2-54-68-166-10.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1473094107 0 :mysanthrop!~myname@84.200.43.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1473094122 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then again, maybe not. < 1473094124 0 :lifthras1ir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 JOIN :#esoteric < 1473094127 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmmmm. < 1473094134 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1473094136 0 :sewilton!sid32560@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gemzmhnsemfzgdir QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1473094137 0 :pdxleif!~pdxleif@ec2-54-68-166-10.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1473094139 0 :carado!~carado@2a01:e34:ec1e:2390:8341:b3f5:2d6:41fa QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1473094139 0 :ocharles!sid30093@musicbrainz/user/ocharles QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1473094140 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1473094141 0 :JX7P!~IRIX@freebsd/user/kastengraeber QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1473094141 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1473094142 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1473094144 0 :pdxleif-!?@? NICK :pdxleif < 1473094171 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@LFbn-1-3085-42.w90-79.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Switching to delchar printx = inputChar => x => { Console.Write(inputChar); return x; }; still only produces one a < 1473094176 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 JOIN :#esoteric < 1473094233 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And what expression are you using now? < 1473094240 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are you evaluating that only produces one a? < 1473094241 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@LFbn-1-3085-42.w90-79.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :m(printx('a')); < 1473094251 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@LFbn-1-3085-42.w90-79.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :With m = x => x(x); < 1473094282 0 :Caesura!~Aedile@cpe-174-100-169-144.neo.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://gyazo.com/e0bc79e0dab2a2d8303b71cf935e62fe.png < 1473094291 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would produce only one "a" even if lazy evaluation were used. < 1473094298 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@LFbn-1-3085-42.w90-79.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would it? < 1473094306 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@LFbn-1-3085-42.w90-79.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm < 1473094311 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@LFbn-1-3085-42.w90-79.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :What to do < 1473094313 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe JOIN :#esoteric < 1473094315 0 :IRIXUser!~IRIX@2001:41d0:8:791d::1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1473094339 0 :IRIXUser!?@? NICK :Guest23396 < 1473094341 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :m(printx('a')) would reduce to printx('a')(printx('a')). The outer printx('a') would get reduced and thus would print "a", leaving you with printx('a'). Then evaluation would finish. < 1473094354 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@LFbn-1-3085-42.w90-79.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah yes < 1473094365 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@LFbn-1-3085-42.w90-79.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's see what happens if I add an i < 1473094383 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@LFbn-1-3085-42.w90-79.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :m(printx('a'))(i); does produce two i's < 1473094418 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@LFbn-1-3085-42.w90-79.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :and u(u((printx('a'))))(i); does produce an infinite loop < 1473094419 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@LFbn-1-3085-42.w90-79.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :All is well < 1473094431 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@LFbn-1-3085-42.w90-79.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I need to do (my program)(i) by default < 1473094498 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@LFbn-1-3085-42.w90-79.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now to do a parser for the code < 1473094515 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@LFbn-1-3085-42.w90-79.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet C# has a standard one by default < 1473094557 0 :sewilton_!?@? NICK :sewilton < 1473094632 0 :ocharles_!?@? NICK :ocharles < 1473094687 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Parsing this oughta be pretty easy. Consider using recursion. < 1473094726 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@LFbn-1-3085-42.w90-79.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah shouldn't be too hard < 1473094736 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@LFbn-1-3085-42.w90-79.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's only one operation to be applied < 1473094777 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :public static LbExpression Parse(TextReader reader) { switch (reader.Read()) { case '`': LbExpression function = Parse(reader); LbExpression argument = Parse(reader); return function.Apply(reader); case ... } } < 1473094781 0 :carado!~carado@2a01:e34:ec1e:2390:8341:b3f5:2d6:41fa JOIN :#esoteric < 1473095064 0 :Tritonio!~tr@unaffiliated/tritonio JOIN :#esoteric < 1473095112 0 :polybot!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1473095182 0 :mysanthrop!?@? NICK :myname < 1473095700 0 :Tritonio!~tr@unaffiliated/tritonio QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1473095901 0 :Tritonio!~tr@unaffiliated/tritonio JOIN :#esoteric < 1473096316 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@LFbn-1-3085-42.w90-79.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :So far so good < 1473096322 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@LFbn-1-3085-42.w90-79.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's try a more complicated expression < 1473096365 0 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1473096415 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@LFbn-1-3085-42.w90-79.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :`````````````.h.e.l.l.o.,. .w.o.r.l.d.!i prints "hhee" < 1473096418 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@LFbn-1-3085-42.w90-79.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not good < 1473096418 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: ````````````.h.e.l.l.o.,.: not found < 1473096478 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@LFbn-1-3085-42.w90-79.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, I see the problem < 1473096561 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@LFbn-1-3085-42.w90-79.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gotta find the correct regular expression for a combinator expression < 1473096785 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@LFbn-1-3085-42.w90-79.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's a regular expression if X = a is an expression and X = `XX is an expression < 1473096867 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@LFbn-1-3085-42.w90-79.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently basic regexps do not handle nesting < 1473096869 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@LFbn-1-3085-42.w90-79.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1473096885 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@LFbn-1-3085-42.w90-79.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Might have to do it by hand < 1473097015 0 :MoALTz!~no@78-11-247-26.static.ip.netia.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1473097015 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1473097535 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.operasoftware.com/press/releases/desktop/opera-releases-bork-edition < 1473097592 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@LFbn-1-3085-42.w90-79.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello world works < 1473097594 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@LFbn-1-3085-42.w90-79.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hurray < 1473097600 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@LFbn-1-3085-42.w90-79.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now let's try the Fibonacci < 1473097641 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@LFbn-1-3085-42.w90-79.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Process is terminated due to stack overflow" < 1473097647 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@LFbn-1-3085-42.w90-79.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ouch < 1473097661 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@LFbn-1-3085-42.w90-79.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess when the program doesn't stop it doesn't print things until the end < 1473097729 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@LFbn-1-3085-42.w90-79.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait no < 1473097738 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@LFbn-1-3085-42.w90-79.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :`u`u.a prints characters before the stack overflow < 1473097739 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: u`u.a: not found < 1473097960 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@LFbn-1-3085-42.w90-79.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should just rewrite it like before as a dynamic string < 1473097968 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@LFbn-1-3085-42.w90-79.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Might avoid the stack overflows < 1473099190 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1473100531 0 :TellsTogo!3ecd672f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.62.205.103.47 JOIN :#esoteric < 1473100687 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1473100976 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1473101218 0 :cyra!~tepru@aneu.me QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1473102206 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`u8tbl 0x2624 0x2624 < 1473102207 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​☤ < 1473102357 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1473102428 0 :Tritonio!~tr@unaffiliated/tritonio QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1473102794 0 :ski!~ski@remote11.chalmers.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1473102802 0 :ski!~ski@remote11.chalmers.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1473102810 0 :iaglium!~i@45.63.97.181 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1473102949 0 :iaglium!~i@45.63.97.181 JOIN :#esoteric < 1473104121 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is JOIN :#esoteric < 1473105408 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`u8tbl 0x262B 0x262C < 1473105409 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​☫☬ < 1473105441 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`u8tbl 0x2670 0x2671 < 1473105441 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​♰♱ < 1473105460 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`u8tbl 0x2768 0x2775 < 1473105461 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​❨❩❪❫❬❭❮❯ \ ❰❱❲❳❴❵ < 1473105509 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like HTML tags, but more confusing. < 1473105515 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`u8tbl 0x2380 0x238B < 1473105516 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​⎀⎁⎂⎃⎄⎅⎆⎇⎈⎉⎊⎋ < 1473105557 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`u8tbl 0x2729 0x2730 < 1473105557 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​✩✪✫✬✭✮✯ \ ✰ < 1473105574 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :my god its full of stars < 1473105591 0 :polybot!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf JOIN :#esoteric < 1473105598 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`u8tbl 0x27AB 0x27AC < 1473105599 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​➫➬ < 1473105629 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`u8tbl 0xFFE8 0xFFEE < 1473105630 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​￨￩￪￫￬￭￮ < 1473105667 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`u8tbl 0xFFFE 0xFFFE < 1473105668 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​￾ < 1473106077 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :☫ and ☬​ are hard to draw < 1473107105 0 :polybot!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1473107111 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :space grunts looks like a mobile game for whiever it was who did 't like the turnbased aspect of roguelikes < 1473107133 0 :polybot!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf JOIN :#esoteric < 1473107845 0 :TellsTogo!3ecd672f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.62.205.103.47 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1473107988 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :turnbased means time to think < 1473107998 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like that < 1473108064 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1473108693 0 :APNG!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1473108993 0 :polybot!?@? NICK :Moonythedwarf < 1473109029 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1473109033 0 :Soni!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 JOIN :#esoteric < 1473109077 0 :Soni!?@? NICK :APNG < 1473109230 0 :MDead!~MDude@pa-67-234-97-58.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1473109364 0 :Melvar`!~melvar@dslb-088-078-251-116.088.078.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1473109399 0 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-078-251-116.088.078.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1473109402 0 :Melvar`!?@? NICK :Melvar < 1473109420 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 JOIN :#esoteric < 1473109638 0 :ineiros_!ineiros@kapsi.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1473109813 0 :lifthras1ir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1473109813 0 :ineiros!ineiros@kapsi.fi QUIT :*.net *.split < 1473109813 0 :MDude!~MDude@pa-67-234-97-58.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :*.net *.split < 1473110415 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know way too few people that do graphical stuff < 1473110535 0 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-088-078-251-116.088.078.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Quit: Terminated < 1473110606 0 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-088-078-251-116.088.078.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1473110875 0 :Moonythedwarf!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1473111225 0 :Moonythedwarf!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf JOIN :#esoteric < 1473111572 0 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does 0xFFFE even have a definition? < 1473111594 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is an invalid Unicode character. < 1473111636 0 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phew < 1473113368 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf JOIN :#esoteric < 1473113463 0 :Moonythedwarf!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1473113609 0 :randomact2016!~randomact@c-71-230-191-124.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1473113616 0 :randomact2016!~randomact@c-71-230-191-124.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PART #esoteric : < 1473113877 0 :carado!~carado@2a01:e34:ec1e:2390:8341:b3f5:2d6:41fa QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1473114047 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1473114872 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :moo < 1473115074 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :prooftechnique: it is invalid, but still can occur, so there is a glyph for it in my font < 1473115082 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 JOIN :#esoteric < 1473115092 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi wob_jonas < 1473115100 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :helwob_jellonas! < 1473115143 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :My bank card again got physically damaged. This is the third time my bank card has had a shorter lifespan than their normal replacement time. < 1473115167 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know it's getting a lot of wear because I'm carrying it in my wallet all the time, but isn't that supposed to be sort of normal use for a bank card? < 1473115189 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe your wallet is too small or too big < 1473115217 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or you have too many cards in your wallet < 1473115238 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Question: anyone know of a IRC bot that can preform the Riemann function? < 1473115260 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This time it's not around the chip where it torn, but instead there's a tear starting from the short side of the card you hold in your hand when you insert it, on the side of the magnetic strip. < 1473115311 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: maybe, or more likely too much cash and tickest and other non-card items, or the wallet is getting pulled tense and curved in my pocket < 1473115356 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The usual advice is to not put your bank card (or other fragile items like a calculator or mobile phone) in your back pocket, but I never do that! I always have it in my front jeans pocket (or rarely in a bag). < 1473115385 0 :byteflame!~byteflame@50.25.160.41 JOIN :#esoteric < 1473115444 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :moonythedwarf_: we have some reasonably programmable bots, so presumably you can upload a short program that computes it < 1473115464 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :any of them have node.js? < 1473115472 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can probably find a ready-made implementation of it in some library < 1473115483 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, I don't do node.js < 1473115485 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Already have. < 1473115487 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` node < 1473115488 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/bin/`: line 4: node: command not found < 1473115492 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :): < 1473115508 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :moonythedwarf_: you mean the Riemann zeta function, right? < 1473115513 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1473115534 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think, leme check < 1473115571 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This Riemann zeta: http://dlmf.nist.gov/25.2 < 1473115646 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Riemann(f, a, b, n, sampler) < 1473115646 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Calculates the Riemann sum for a one-variable function f on the interval [a,b] with n equally-spaced divisons. If sampler is given, that function will be used to calculate which value to sample on each subinterval; otherwise, the left endpoint will be used. < 1473115648 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1473115650 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dunno < 1473115698 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :moonythedwarf_: that's not the Riemann zeta, that's quadrature (approximating a Riemann integral) in one dimension < 1473115701 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :totally different thing < 1473115714 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1473115720 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just searched by name. < 1473115722 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric ::L < 1473115747 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION feels stupid now < 1473115759 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :moonythedwarf_: ok, so what do you actually want? < 1473115769 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dunno. < 1473115778 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I've ever put anything in the back pocket of my jeans. how would I sit? < 1473115835 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the Dungeons&Dragons game I managed to summon a grandfather clock into a prison cell and when it chimed the guards game down and wondered how it got there. < 1473115838 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: I put a key there, and sometimes plastic bags. never bigger stuff. < 1473115866 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: is it wise to alert your guards that you can do magic? < 1473115896 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ < 1473115949 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, I guess they probably already knew so it doesn't matter < 1473115965 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was a anti-magic field active, but the book that summoned the clock somehow overcomes that anti-magic, and so they were unable to unsummon it. < 1473116012 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: is that plain arcane magic, or something different? < 1473116031 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1473116034 0 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-dwdwfqfllnkkshmz PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION pops in to glimpse at the backlog and sees an out of context «is it wise to alert your guards that you can do magic?», zgrep now imagines wob_jonas locked in a castle room, with guards outside guarding him < 1473116036 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how the book works. I just wrote "clock" and there it was. < 1473116107 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :summon a pair of magic garden clippers that can cut through steel < 1473116108 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51a4bf3b.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in < 1473116157 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait, I think you do psionic magic, not arcane, right? < 1473116170 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: oh! just wrote "clock"? is that like Scribblenauts? < 1473116180 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: My character can do both, but I don't know how this book works. < 1473116184 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds like it wob_jonas < 1473116200 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :have they tested whether it's an illusion? < 1473116212 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it can make a teleporter? and that ^ < 1473116216 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not as far as I know < 1473116229 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The reason for the clock was to time the expiration of a spell I had set up elsewhere. The spell created a large block and was meant to make noise by the cups sitting on top of it falling down once the spell expires (causing the block to disappear), to wake us up, but we were put in jail instead. < 1473116276 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Therefore I trick the guards in going to the hotel just before it would expire, so they would hear the noise, enter the room and try to dispel the magic cups but they can't because it isn't magic. They might think therefore that we have stronger magic than they have because they can't dispel our magic. < 1473116331 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :may work, but couldnt they detect it? < 1473116357 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, is the clock set to the right time for that? or do you have some way to find out what time it is, from a prison cell? < 1473116377 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: That's what I used the clock for; to determine what time it was. < 1473116398 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you could just ask the guards < 1473116409 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: They refused to answer. < 1473116422 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: right, but did the clock arrive set to the right time and wound up? < 1473116457 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes; it was early enough that I still knew what time it was, and it was wound up, too. < 1473116548 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :They might detect a dim aura if they tried, but not any stronger aura because there isn't actually any magic in effect in the hotel room (it has already expired), and in any case the cups themselves are not magical. < 1473116771 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are the guards familiar with the tale of the head of Vecna? < 1473116900 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if they are or not < 1473117028 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1473117041 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi hppavilion[1] < 1473117127 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pedantic level 1: Replace all occurrences of pi with tau/2 (unless it's 2pi, in which case you just use tau) < 1473117152 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pedantic level 2: pi and tau are both acceptable, but replace all occurrences of 2 with tau/pi < 1473117184 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: you mean Pendantic level tau / pi ? < 1473117190 0 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-088-078-251-116.088.078.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Quit: Terminated < 1473117195 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :moonythedwarf_: ...I am a failure. < 1473117216 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linguistic Prank Idea: Start interpreting numbers written in standard digital fashion as an abjad < 1473117235 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's nothing pedantic about using 2pi instead of pi < 1473117241 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just preference. < 1473117256 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: But using 'tau' exclusively I mean < 1473117266 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a tiny bit pedantic < 1473117277 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not pedantic. < 1473117281 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A little bit < 1473117286 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pedantic is the sort of thing I'm being right now. < 1473117300 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, using tau/2 even when you JUST want pi < 1473117302 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...touche < 1473117304 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But there's nothing incorrect about pi. < 1473117305 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some programs I wrote do use tau but not pi < 1473117313 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or even better, an ultra-abjad, in which vowels aren't just inferred; which specific vowel sound is used is unnecessary) < 1473117341 0 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-078-251-116.088.078.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Quit: rebooting < 1473117373 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a fan of the middle camp, in which Pi and Tau are both acceptable. I would call it a Golden Mean Fallacy, but we're discussing pi(/tau), not any other irrational numbers < 1473117377 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course it is correct there is nothing incorrect about pi, but tau seems to be work better in many cases; but it isn't (just) because of circles, anyways. < 1473117398 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I consider both acceptable, but find tau more useful in more cases than pi. < 1473117452 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Yes, exactly < 1473117476 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's not pedantry, yo < 1473117489 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think we should start using tau (together with pi) without any explanation at the beginning (so no tau = 2pi disambiguation), so people just have to start getting used to it < 1473117495 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: use pi / pi t orepresent 1. < 1473117497 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: It is if you systematically refuse to use pi < 1473117511 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still not pedantry. Just a preference. < 1473117529 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :moonythedwarf_: That's level 3, and you have to use it when you would otherwise just drop it to imply a coefficient of 1 < 1473117534 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I systematically refuse to eat bell peppers, it's not pedantry to not eat bell peppers. < 1473117560 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :("The parent quadratic function is y = pi/pix^2+0x+0") < 1473117678 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: here is a derivative for that: (d)/(dx)(π/(π x^2)+0 x+0) = -2/x^3\ < 1473117686 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/\\/ / < 1473117707 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Numeric Abjad: 0 [z], 1 [w], 2 [t], 3 [θ], 4 [f], 5 [k], 6 [s], 7 [j], 8 [p], 9 [n] < 1473117741 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Pedantry was the wrong word, but I couldn't think of anything better < 1473117755 0 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-078-251-116.088.078.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1473117813 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: no [r]? < 1473117827 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: Where would the [r] be? < 1473117867 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: Also, [r] would lead to r-colored vowels, which would make things more confusing < 1473117873 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: dunno, anywhere so you get a saner set of consonants. < 1473117898 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(between the sounds you can put any monopthong you like (or none, if you like); a decimal point is represented by a [b]) < 1473117943 0 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-088-078-251-116.088.078.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1473117947 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, 1 should be [g] because [w] can be a difficult sound sometimes < 1473117957 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: Why is this system insane? < 1473117972 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not insane, but [r] is common and useful < 1473118003 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: Yeah, but [r] leads to r-coloring, which makes things harder to understand. I guess 0 could be [r]? < 1473118016 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, 0 is [r] < 1473118045 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :its just a _esoteric_ set of constants hppavilion[1] (; < 1473118122 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :moonythedwarf_: (1) "an _esoteric_" (2) That winky face is backwards; while (: is acceptable (if strange), (; is never allowed, only ;) (3) Many of them were chosen based on their initial sound in English to make it easier for English speakers (one of the larger groups) to understand < 1473118208 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, English are not abjad. < 1473118211 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i always wink my _right_ eye < 1473118269 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Yeah, but if I try to make the numbers have vowels, I lead to issues with numbers that don't contain any < 1473118292 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, OK < 1473118304 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. if the even digits are vowels and the odds are consonants, then you have trouble pronouncing 573597335 < 1473118334 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I can understand you < 1473118366 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was for anyone else reading (also, I'd already started typing and I don't like aborting messages) < 1473118401 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is pro-life, but only for relatively short Unicode strings used in text-only chat < 1473118549 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: you could take a language with a somewhat strict syllable structure, and have every two consecutive digits be pronounced as a syllable, or even some more complicated system < 1473118609 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did have an idea like that too; treat even positions as vowels and odd positions as consonants; that isn't quite same but it is a similar thing. < 1473118612 0 :Guest15977!~qdwdq@cm-84.213.210.92.getinternet.no QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1473118640 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there's even such a system, though not for generating any word, but as a system to read out numbers in a terse way < 1473118643 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me try to find it < 1473118686 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: I could, I suppose, though odd numbers complicate a bit (even though the solution is quite obvious) < 1473118739 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Every digit has a consonant sound and a vowel; you make these in sequence, in odd-length strings the remaining symbol is put at the end of the last syllable < 1473118747 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you didn't want the system workable by humans, then you'd just use arithmetical coding or some sort to generate almost exactly every reasonable pronunciation in a reasonable rate. < 1473118747 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But then you have to memorize twice as many sounds < 1473118766 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Abjad is simpler though < 1473118774 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The abjad system yes is simpler and it does work too. < 1473118864 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :make it an abjad then, with the ten sounds being some permutations of [p m t d n k v z S r] ? < 1473118965 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think hppavilion[1]'s idea to omit [r] does make some sense, due to r-colour-vowels; it would be too difficult including all sound anyways < 1473118980 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellob_jonas < 1473118991 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi shachaf < 1473119026 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or you could use syllables such that each two digits encode a syllable consisting of a consonant or consonant cluster from a set of 20 and a vowel from a set of 5. < 1473119083 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: zzo38: If I do include [r], it has to be as 0 as that seems to be the only logical place for an r-colored vowel to exist < 1473119095 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Better to use https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mnemonic_major_system < 1473119104 0 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-082.rentec.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1473119128 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: I suppose I could, to make an abugida < 1473119141 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I think ultra-abjad is the best < 1473119149 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it'd most likely slowly evolve into an abjad) < 1473119215 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, now to test < 1473119244 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if you use an escape digit so you encode 19 consonant clusters with 1, 2, ..., 9, 00, 01, ..., 09 respectively, such that the clusters you'd rather avoid at initial position get the codes staring by a zero? < 1473119252 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1473119256 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait, that's stupi < 1473119261 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :forget that < 1473119286 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :still, you could use an escape digit somehwo < 1473119299 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(final digits are allowed to drop the subsequent vowel) < 1473119330 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reference: http://pastebin.com/QE4pPHu3 < 1473119336 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sin < 1473119361 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fotar < 1473119367 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fot < 1473119379 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(read those back to me from the lookup) < 1473119418 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Maybe I should allow multiple similar sounds for each- so [t] and [d] are the same) < 1473119427 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1473119446 0 :Guest15977!~qdwdq@cm-84.213.210.92.getinternet.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1473119548 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1473119610 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1473119929 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, updated < 1473119971 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes in a Dungeons&Dragons game, the duration of a spell can be much more important than the spell itself. < 1473119986 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1473120016 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Read these back to me in numeric format: sin, fot, footar, < 1473120043 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sizus < 1473120065 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1473120074 0 :byteflame!~byteflame@50.25.160.41 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1473120113 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloerjan < 1473120119 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm making an abjad for reading numbers < 1473120125 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hippavilion[1] < 1473120158 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages-foul < 1473120158 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1] said 15h 33m 21s ago: 300 reindeer were killed by lighting in Norway. < 1473120162 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: shocking < 1473120173 0 :byteflame!~byteflame@50.25.160.41 JOIN :#esoteric < 1473120187 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION should really buy a swatter < 1473120263 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you cannot buy my kind of swatter, unless you find one of those little shops that weren't there the previous day and won't be there the next < 1473120320 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Google Maps can probably direct me to one of those < 1473120334 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure google maps updates fast enough < 1473120336 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do they move each day, or do they only exist on some days? < 1473120345 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, sounds like a bug < 1473120361 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1473120361 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :they only exist in _this_ dimension on rare occasions. < 1473120416 0 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-dxmbjenieshbdtza JOIN :#esoteric < 1473120417 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :see the relevant discworld book for explanation, i think it may have been the Light Fantastic. < 1473120452 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's where the Luggage came from.) < 1473120472 0 :bibibi!~bibibi@unaffiliated/bibibi QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1473120483 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :he quiquiquit < 1473120500 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1473120508 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm looks like an epidemic < 1473120550 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :they weren't on the same server < 1473120661 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf QUIT :Quit: See ya later, [INSERT_NAME_HERE] < 1473120689 0 :Moonythedwarf!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf JOIN :#esoteric < 1473120731 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :* hppavilion[1] . o O ( Can a (novel-length) book be written without chapter format without looking terrible? ) <-- hm aren't the discworld books written that way too... as a conscious decision. < 1473120760 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Are they? < 1473120765 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never read them < 1473120765 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least one of them is. < 1473120770 0 :Moonythedwarf!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ < 1473120784 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember because when I was youngish, it was bedtime, and I told my mother I would just read to the end of the chapter. < 1473120797 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: *applauds* < 1473120798 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then it turned out there were no chapters. < 1473120803 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1473120818 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Very few of the Discworld novels have chapter divisions and instead feature interweaving storylines. Pratchett is quoted as saying that he "just never got into the habit of chapters",[5] later adding that "I have to shove them in the putative YA books because my editor screams until I do"." < 1473120821 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Last time I went to the local Bibliorium I was looking for Discworld (specifically, The Colour of Magic), but they didn't have it < 1473120830 0 :izabera!~izabera@64.137.202.202 JOIN :#esoteric < 1473120830 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(They had later ones, but not the first one) < 1473120842 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabonjoura < 1473120850 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like an unconscious decision that stuck, rather. < 1473120851 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :chapter? i 'adn't even met 'er! < 1473120916 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Moonythedwarf: what are you ^ing < 1473120946 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ doesn't work very well in ongoing chats. < 1473120952 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My JUNIOR FEMALE SIBLING and I are reforming the calendar < 1473120973 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :12 30-day months (plus a 5- or 6-day festival week), 5 6-day weeks to a month < 1473120987 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Weeks have always bugged me because they don't fit nicely within a month) < 1473121012 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: it is actually somewhat recommended that you _don't_ start with the first one, since it's considered relatively bad. (i didn't follow that recommendation, possibly because i didn't hear of it in time.) < 1473121019 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, really? < 1473121027 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh < 1473121030 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think Mort is considered the first really good one. < 1473121046 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which should I/you/one/us start with < 1473121051 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 JOIN :#esoteric < 1473121056 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1473121064 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Is Mort an abbreviation?) < 1473121069 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :MoRT? < 1473121089 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it's the name of the main character, but it's also obviously a pun on the book's plot idea. < 1473121094 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1473121116 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorting algorithms typically use <. Can they avoid any comparisons in any cases if they use <=> instead? < 1473121119 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION . o O ( I want to hear the Canadian national anthem, but altered to sound more disappointed ) < 1473121128 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :("Oh... Canada...") < 1473121150 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should need to know some way to determine what order they are supposed to be sorted in < 1473121186 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: pretty obviously exactly when there are equal elements... < 1473121192 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: on chapters and Prattchet, see http://www.lspace.org/books/apf/words-from-the-master.html search for "chapter" < 1473121195 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Why? < 1473121217 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A list shuffle is just a sort where the comparison function is λ(x, y): return coinflip(); < 1473121228 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I think?) < 1473121235 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: For example, insertion sort will use the optimal number of comparisons with < if all elements are equal. < 1473121242 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: well if there are no equal elements, you cannot get better with <=>. if there are, then you need to test equality so cannot make do with only one < between the relevant pair < 1473121271 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, I see, oerjan already said that < 1473121285 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Are you sure? < 1473121307 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: hm maybe not. < 1473121342 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort [x,y] = if y < x then [y,x] else [x,y] < 1473121350 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: you have to be careful then to always use < in the direction that gives the stability you want, if any. < 1473121362 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i guess if you do that, then it works. < 1473121367 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I'm interested in the question both when stability is required and when it isn't. < 1473121392 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes, but if you do a plain mergesort (not a two-way one) or a heapsort then I think it's relatively easy to do that without additional bookkeeping < 1473121393 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because there's no harm in treating = as <= if they're in the right order. < 1473121427 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's no harm, but will any sorting algorithm do unnecessary comparisons if they think that <=? < 1473121438 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Changed plurality mid-sentence there. < 1473121449 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I blame the word "do". < 1473121451 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: sure, if you split in such a way that the lists to merge weren't interleaved originally. < 1473121487 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually i should have said < instead of <=, i guess. < 1473121494 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1473121528 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :<=> gives you more information, so it kind of seems that you ought to be able to use it. < 1473121531 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But maybenot. < 1473121642 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf JOIN :#esoteric < 1473121699 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : 12 30-day months (plus a 5- or 6-day festival week), 5 6-day weeks to a month <-- i think i've seen at least the first part somewhere... < 1473121704 0 :Moonythedwarf!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1473121739 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is bothered by week numbers, specifically by people using them when he has no idea when they are. < 1473121744 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you're thinking of 13 28-day months? < 1473121795 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I think you could have seen both < 1473121814 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That one is pretty good. < 1473121894 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: the French Republican Calendar has 12 months with 30 days each plus 5 or 6 extra days outside of months per year, but it's not the first one to get that idea < 1473121992 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]> A list shuffle is just a sort where the comparison function is λ(x, y): return coinflip(); <-- that doesn't actually work right, statistically. < 1473122033 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Depends on your sorting algorithm. < 1473122041 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Certainly a lot of them assume transitivity. < 1473122069 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you use bogosort, it'll work correctly (but in 2^n time). < 1473122076 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: oh, actually, non-transitive comparisons are interesting: < 1473122134 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in particular, I wish some programming language libraries provided an interface for a balanced tree (and sort) ordered on a custom sorting routine that need not be transitive, < 1473122139 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Not sure if it's 2^n, as- in my understanding of bogosort- you just shuffle the list and check if it's sorted < 1473122147 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If yes, yay, if not, try again < 1473122151 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1473122169 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which means getting n coin flips to return true. < 1473122177 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or do you mean that it's 2^(n-1)? < 1473122191 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: well it cannot work correctly with any method that uses a bounded number of coin flips. < 1473122218 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if it's sorting a list of length 2? < 1473122224 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with the guarantee that two elements will be ordered consistently if they're in separate strong components of the comparison function, but not necessarily if they're in different strong components. < 1473122234 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION ignores shachaf's last comment. < 1473122256 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, they should probably allow that comparison functions might depend on state, with similar guarantees. < 1473122271 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :scourgean < 1473122296 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the lower bound search function in the tree can find any place within the strong component of what you're searching for. < 1473122371 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so far I haven't seen any library that documents that it guarantees almost anything for an inconsistent or non-transitive comparison function, even though I think some _implementations_ might actually already guarantee this, and it wouldn't be hard to do so in most implementations < 1473122382 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can do it without overhead usually. < 1473122398 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I think that you can't even use the direct coinflip function; you need to either let the coinflip directly determine if you're done (O(2^-n), I think) < 1473122418 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or first chain it into something to check (which, yes, would be O(2^n). I think.) < 1473122429 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what you're saying. < 1473122437 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nor why oerjan is ignoring my last comment. < 1473122440 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not every implementation supports inconsistent comparison functions, that's true, but still, the best ones do. < 1473122448 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: because it's too trivial an objection. < 1473122465 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If we could use time traveling computing, would algorithms be allowed to have negative O-time? < 1473122499 0 :polybot!~nodebot@225.147.197.104.bc.googleusercontent.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1473122503 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And are there any conventional algorithms completing in O(k) time for which k shrinks? < 1473122503 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it true just for 2 elements or for any power of 2? < 1473122510 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or O(sin(x)) algorithms? < 1473122529 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: only 2 i think. 3 is always a factor of n! for n > 2. < 1473122545 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What kind of algorithms will be O(sin(x))? < 1473122545 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can certainly end up with things like O(1/n) when talking about e.g. amortized algorithms. < 1473122560 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know < 1473122589 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( this ignoring is going well, isn't it ) < 1473122597 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: That's the question < 1473122608 0 :polybot!~nodebot@225.147.197.104.bc.googleusercontent.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1473122609 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, and I don't know. < 1473122629 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ignoring ring ring ring ring ring ring / banana phone < 1473122632 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a feeling if you did have an O(sin(x)) algorithm, it'd just get simplified to O(1) < 1473122649 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :sin(x) = A(1) < 1473122752 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: i think it's impossible for k to shrink for arbitrarily large data, because to be bounded it cannot actually _check_ beyond a certain portion of the data, which prevents it from shrinking below the minimum for that amount. < 1473122766 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1473122772 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, yes < 1473122818 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But with time travel-based computation, could a problem have a complexity of e.g. O(-n^2)? < 1473122842 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ring < 1473122843 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Addition, subtraction and multiplication have a certain ring to them. < 1473122876 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure the banana phone can fit in there. < 1473122940 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This algorithm completes in O(chr(n)) time" < 1473122958 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :chr? < 1473122969 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> chr 65 < 1473122972 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 'A' < 1473122988 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: It's a characteristic function, obviously. < 1473122997 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY < 1473123093 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I mean the chr that lambdabot used < 1473123131 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you write O(f) in computer science, f : N -> N is positive and increasing. < 1473123260 0 :polybot!~nodebot@225.147.197.104.bc.googleusercontent.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1473123261 0 :polybot!~nodebot@225.147.197.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Type ~>help for all commands, and ~>help for help on a command. < 1473123261 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Is O(3^n) allowed, or do all O(k^n)s just reduce to O(2^n)?) < 1473123267 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :polybot: No. < 1473123275 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1473123279 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, whose bot is this? < 1473123281 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who invited the bot? < 1473123282 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :moonythedwarf_: You? < 1473123286 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1473123286 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1473123363 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone kick it :/ < 1473123378 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Quit: rebooting and stuff < 1473123403 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to know which bot it is < 1473123407 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~>help < 1473123407 0 :polybot!~nodebot@225.147.197.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :commmands: < 1473123411 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :None < 1473123415 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it's a new one < 1473123416 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks broken. < 1473123424 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :moonythedwarf_: I think it's somebody's new bot < 1473123429 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably < 1473123444 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The identification says it is Node.js based and is apparently on Google's server. < 1473123459 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh < 1473123470 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wierd < 1473123477 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: A public googlian server or, like, the thing Google itself runs on? < 1473123488 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most likely public. < 1473123515 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know? < 1473123532 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~>who < 1473123550 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Googleusercontent < 1473123556 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So public < 1473123565 0 :polybot!~nodebot@225.147.197.104.bc.googleusercontent.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1473123569 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And gone < 1473123575 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But whose was it? < 1473123581 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dunno < 1473123582 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :APNG: Yours? < 1473123595 0 :APNG!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh? < 1473123602 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :APNG: Was polybot yours? < 1473123604 0 :polybot!~nodebot@225.147.197.104.bc.googleusercontent.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1473123604 0 :polybot!~nodebot@225.147.197.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Type ~>help for all commands, and ~>help for help on a command. < 1473123614 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :annnd its back < 1473123635 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :~>help < 1473123635 0 :polybot!~nodebot@225.147.197.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :commmands: ping, info, waitforMsgtest, talk, cat, art, solvefor, solve, done < 1473123641 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something changed. < 1473123641 0 :APNG!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], nah if I had a bot it'd support CTCP < 1473123648 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :/shrug < 1473123650 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Did you add polybot? < 1473123651 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: if coding in c... o(n) o(n2), but it < 1473123652 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Google Compute Engine has addresses like that. < 1473123656 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now there are some more command at least < 1473123665 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :~>help solve < 1473123672 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1473123674 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :~>solve < 1473123674 0 :polybot!~nodebot@225.147.197.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Invalid solver undefined, valid solvers are math.js, algebra.js and mathics < 1473123689 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh. < 1473123691 0 :APNG!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :~>info < 1473123691 0 :polybot!~nodebot@225.147.197.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Polybot v1.0.0 < 1473123695 0 :APNG!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :useless < 1473123706 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :See if there is information on npm possibly? < 1473123713 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :~>solve math.js < 1473123714 0 :polybot!~nodebot@225.147.197.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :undefined < 1473123724 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :~>solve math.js asdf what do you do? < 1473123724 0 :polybot!~nodebot@225.147.197.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :{ [SyntaxError: Unexpected end of expression (char 21)] char: 21 } < 1473123726 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is no package on npm called "polybot" anyways it seem < 1473123743 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :~>solve math.js 1+1 < 1473123743 0 :polybot!~nodebot@225.147.197.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 < 1473123746 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are any of these us: https://github.com/orgs/tjcsl/people < 1473123746 0 :APNG!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :~>hcf < 1473123750 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :its a calculator. < 1473123752 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1473123758 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :*facepalm* < 1473123764 0 :APNG!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :refuses to catch on fire, apparently < 1473123792 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :leme look up math.js < 1473123796 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :moonythedwarf_: But probably an ultra-mega-badass one that does, like, solving the Riemann hypothesis < 1473123802 0 :APNG!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], I know fwilson < 1473123814 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://mathjs.org < 1473123818 0 :APNG!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I doubt they have anything to do with it < 1473123818 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :APNG: Personally or heard of? < 1473123819 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~>solve reimann_hypothesis < 1473123819 0 :polybot!~nodebot@225.147.197.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Invalid solver reimann_hypothesis, valid solvers are math.js, algebra.js and mathics < 1473123826 0 :APNG!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], personally < 1473123832 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :APNG: IRL or online? < 1473123835 0 :APNG!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :online < 1473123838 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~>solve math.js < 1473123838 0 :polybot!~nodebot@225.147.197.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :undefined < 1473123843 0 :APNG!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we talk a lot tho < 1473123843 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :its a rather good calculator apparently. < 1473123847 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :APNG: Does fwilson know about #esoteric? < 1473123852 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :~>solve math.js f() = 1+1; f() < 1473123852 0 :polybot!~nodebot@225.147.197.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :[2] < 1473123853 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~>solve math.js 2+5 < 1473123853 0 :polybot!~nodebot@225.147.197.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :7 < 1473123873 0 :APNG!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :~>prexcl 3f println test < 1473123874 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~>solve algebra.js x = 5+3 < 1473123874 0 :polybot!~nodebot@225.147.197.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :[TypeError: Cannot convert undefined or null to object] < 1473123878 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]> (Is O(3^n) allowed, or do all O(k^n)s just reduce to O(2^n)?) <-- they're not equivalent. < 1473123885 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: OK < 1473123892 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~>solve algebra.js x=5+3 < 1473123892 0 :polybot!~nodebot@225.147.197.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :[TypeError: Cannot convert undefined or null to object] < 1473123899 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~>solve algebra.js x x=5+3 < 1473123899 0 :polybot!~nodebot@225.147.197.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :[TypeError: Cannot convert undefined or null to object] < 1473123905 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~>solve algebra.js x==5+3 < 1473123905 0 :polybot!~nodebot@225.147.197.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :[TypeError: Cannot read property 'toString' of undefined] < 1473123911 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm... < 1473123914 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've heard of algebra.js, its a literal, actually rather bad, calculator. < 1473123922 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1473123948 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :~>solve math.js sqrt(i) < 1473123948 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1473123948 0 :polybot!~nodebot@225.147.197.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.7071067811865476 + 0.7071067811865476i < 1473123950 0 :APNG!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], well fwilson isn't even online atm < 1473123961 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey it can do complex/imaginary numbers < 1473123967 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~>solve math.js '5'+'3' < 1473123967 0 :polybot!~nodebot@225.147.197.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :{ [SyntaxError: Value expected (char 1)] char: 1 } < 1473123977 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~>solve math.js 3/0 < 1473123977 0 :polybot!~nodebot@225.147.197.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Infinity < 1473123980 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :WRONG < 1473123984 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~>solve math.js 0/0 < 1473123985 0 :polybot!~nodebot@225.147.197.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :NaN < 1473123988 0 :APNG!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does floats, nice < 1473123998 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Imaginary numbers make it even better. < 1473124005 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :APNG: I think doing floats is the bare minimum for a decent calculator < 1473124010 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The complexes are more impressive < 1473124015 0 :APNG!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what happens if you mix floats and complexes? < 1473124025 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :the sqrt(i) happens < 1473124025 0 :APNG!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like i/0 < 1473124029 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :APNG: It returned a mix of floats and complexes to sqrt(i) < 1473124031 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :~>solve math.js i/0 < 1473124032 0 :polybot!~nodebot@225.147.197.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Infinityi < 1473124037 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, why not < 1473124039 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~>solve math.js 0^0 < 1473124039 0 :polybot!~nodebot@225.147.197.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 < 1473124040 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imaginary infinity. wrong. < 1473124054 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :See if it does quaternions < 1473124062 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ +1 < 1473124066 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Imaginary infinity? Wrong? < 1473124070 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~>solve math.js 2+3i+5j+7k < 1473124070 0 :polybot!~nodebot@225.147.197.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :[Error: Undefined symbol j] < 1473124074 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fail < 1473124076 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :a bot invaded the channel. < 1473124086 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it happens to be a rather good calculator. < 1473124092 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :~>solve math.js sqrt(i) < 1473124092 0 :polybot!~nodebot@225.147.197.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.7071067811865476 + 0.7071067811865476i < 1473124096 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :moonythedwarf_: A half-decent calculator at best < 1473124103 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ +1 < 1473124119 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A GOOD calculator would be able to do quaternions, surreals, split-complex, duals, and Kleene Algebra < 1473124122 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :~>solve math.js Riemann(sin,5,6,7) < 1473124122 0 :polybot!~nodebot@225.147.197.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :-0.7238935268566056 < 1473124124 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I need to leave for now. < 1473124133 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kk bye < 1473124142 0 :APNG!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :~>solve math.js (1,1,1) + (3,3,3) < 1473124142 0 :polybot!~nodebot@225.147.197.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :{ [SyntaxError: Parenthesis ) expected (char 3)] char: 3 } < 1473124154 0 :APNG!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :~>solve math.js (1;1;1) + (3;3;3) < 1473124154 0 :polybot!~nodebot@225.147.197.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :{ [SyntaxError: Parenthesis ) expected (char 3)] char: 3 } < 1473124157 0 :APNG!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah fuck you < 1473124161 0 :APNG!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't do vectors < 1473124162 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :~>sovle [1,1,1] + [3,3,3] < 1473124171 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :~>solve math.js [1,1,1] + [3,3,3] < 1473124171 0 :polybot!~nodebot@225.147.197.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :[4, 4, 4] < 1473124176 0 :APNG!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1473124194 0 :APNG!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are those vectors tho? < 1473124194 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :try checking the math.js Documentation APNG < 1473124203 0 :APNG!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :moonythedwarf_, eh too lazy < 1473124205 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It apparently knows what a matrix is, at least < 1473124215 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :~>solve math.js gamma(5) < 1473124215 0 :polybot!~nodebot@225.147.197.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :24 < 1473124228 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does the matrix multiplication working? < 1473124230 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :~>solve math.js gamma(5i) < 1473124230 0 :polybot!~nodebot@225.147.197.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :-2.717038835061503e-4 + 3.399328988721386e-4i < 1473124248 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :~>solve math.js [6,7] * [7,6] < 1473124248 0 :polybot!~nodebot@225.147.197.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :84 < 1473124262 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1473124271 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :~>solve math.js [5,6,7] * [7,6,5] < 1473124271 0 :polybot!~nodebot@225.147.197.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :106 < 1473124277 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :~>solve math.js [5,6,7] * [7,6,5i] < 1473124277 0 :polybot!~nodebot@225.147.197.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :71 + 35i < 1473124284 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :~>solve math.js [5,6,7] * [7,6i^7,5i] < 1473124284 0 :polybot!~nodebot@225.147.197.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :35 - i < 1473124300 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :~>solve math.js [5,6;7,8] * [2,3] < 1473124300 0 :polybot!~nodebot@225.147.197.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :[28, 38] < 1473124308 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :~>solve math.js [5,6;7,8] * [2,3;4,5] < 1473124308 0 :polybot!~nodebot@225.147.197.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[34, 45], [46, 61]] < 1473124308 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :its actually a decent calculator. < 1473124325 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :~>solve math.js [5,6;7,8] * [1,0;0,1] < 1473124325 0 :polybot!~nodebot@225.147.197.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[5, 6], [7, 8]] < 1473124330 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, it does work. < 1473124335 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: fungot got killed < 1473124335 0 :APNG!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't do vectors >.> < 1473124354 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1473124357 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :APNG: at least it knows what a mathmatical function is < 1473124369 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :~>solve math.js f(x) = x^3 < 1473124369 0 :polybot!~nodebot@225.147.197.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :f(x) < 1473124372 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1473124384 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :~>solve math.js f(4) # lets see if its presistant < 1473124384 0 :polybot!~nodebot@225.147.197.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :64 < 1473124389 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :its presistant < 1473124420 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats nice to know. < 1473124458 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks to presistance we _might_ be able to make a turing machine/state machine in it < 1473124501 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://mathjs.org/docs/reference/functions.html < 1473124521 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats a list of all things it supports, i think its extended tho, Riemann is not a default function in math.js < 1473124526 0 :APNG!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not fwilson's < 1473124597 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :~>solve math.js inv([[5, 6], [7, 8]]) < 1473124598 0 :polybot!~nodebot@225.147.197.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[-4, 3], [3.5, -2.5]] < 1473124643 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :~>solve math.js 12 inches to feet < 1473124643 0 :polybot!~nodebot@225.147.197.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.9999999999999998 feet < 1473124651 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*persistence < 1473124658 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :~>solve math.js sqrt(i)/0 < 1473124658 0 :polybot!~nodebot@225.147.197.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Infinity + Infinityi < 1473124661 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`danddreclist 82 < 1473124662 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :danddreclist 82: shachaf nooodl boily \ http://zzo38computer.org/dnd/recording/level20.tex < 1473124704 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :its actually pretty good for a IRC bot with a calculator < 1473124706 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :~>help < 1473124706 0 :polybot!~nodebot@225.147.197.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :commmands: ping, info, waitforMsgtest, talk, cat, art, solvefor, solve, done < 1473124713 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :~>done < 1473124717 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing. < 1473124735 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :~>waitforMsgtest < 1473124738 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing. < 1473124738 0 :polybot!~nodebot@225.147.197.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You said: Nothing. < 1473124740 0 :APNG!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :~>cat < 1473124740 0 :polybot!~nodebot@225.147.197.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://lorempixel.com/600/100/cats/ < 1473124743 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh nvm. < 1473124744 0 :APNG!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :~>art < 1473124744 0 :polybot!~nodebot@225.147.197.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://lorempixel.com/100/600/abstract/ < 1473124751 0 :APNG!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why < 1473124754 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ < 1473124782 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :~>talk < 1473124782 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol @ 12 foot < 1473124783 0 :polybot!~nodebot@225.147.197.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good morning. < 1473124788 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :~>talk 231234 < 1473124789 0 :polybot!~nodebot@225.147.197.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :In che anno e iniziata la prima guerra mondiale. < 1473124796 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1473124804 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats just a damn cleverbot command. < 1473124807 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also don't know what it is. < 1473124809 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :useless++; < 1473124810 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :polybot: 1914 hth < 1473124834 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only thing thats actually useful here is the calculator (~>solve math.js) < 1473124836 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :~>talk 986430 < 1473124837 0 :polybot!~nodebot@225.147.197.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rispondi. < 1473124841 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :~>solve mathics 1+1 < 1473124844 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: is it yours? < 1473124845 0 :polybot!~nodebot@225.147.197.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :In[1]:= 1+1Out[1]= 2 < 1473124855 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :~>solve mathics Integrate[1+1] < 1473124857 0 :polybot!~nodebot@225.147.197.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :In[1]:= Integrate[1+1]Out[1]= Integrate[2] < 1473124869 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :This seems a little on the botspammy side. < 1473124875 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ +1 < 1473124885 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it calculates 12 inches * x cm/inches / y cm/foot < 1473124904 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :SMaybe < 1473124949 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma useless < 1473124949 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :useless has a karma of 0 < 1473124974 0 :polybot!~nodebot@225.147.197.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, this is polybot's owner. < 1473124992 0 :APNG!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like fucking bot owners < 1473124993 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1473124996 0 :APNG!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :may I fuck you? < 1473125002 0 :polybot!~nodebot@225.147.197.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uhhh.. wtf. < 1473125006 0 :APNG!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1473125027 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf APNG < 1473125045 0 :APNG!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :moonythedwarf_, lol, just playing with the bot < 1473125059 0 :polybot!~nodebot@225.147.197.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :im not a bot, im the owner of it speaking through it < 1473125072 0 :APNG!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :polybot, right... < 1473125075 0 :APNG!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you look like a bot < 1473125088 0 :polybot!~nodebot@225.147.197.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goodbye. < 1473125099 0 :APNG!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :??? < 1473125123 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :APNG: you may have been a _tad_ impolite there hth < 1473125131 0 :APNG!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't just say "goodbye" and keep the stupid bot in the channel >.> < 1473125170 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :~>solve math.js 1+1 < 1473125170 0 :polybot!~nodebot@225.147.197.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 < 1473125192 0 :APNG!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, my job is to just remove the bot from the channel somehow < 1473125260 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :~>solve math.js "Te\r\nQUIT\r\nst" < 1473125260 0 :polybot!~nodebot@225.147.197.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"TeQUITst" < 1473125261 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :APNG: i don't see the bot as disruptive enough to remove, yet. it's mostly just responding to people's commands. < 1473125285 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :~>solve math.js "Does this work? \7" < 1473125285 0 :APNG!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, mostly < 1473125285 0 :polybot!~nodebot@225.147.197.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Does this work? " < 1473125290 0 :APNG!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Hello, this is polybot's owner. < 1473125295 0 :APNG!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :except for those < 1473125309 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :APNG: well that counts as human. < 1473125317 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ < 1473125333 0 :APNG!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then why's it going through the bot? < 1473125340 0 :APNG!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :owner's banned or something? < 1473125365 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :APNG: well that's _possible_ of course, but it also just be the mystery. < 1473125382 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: myndzi is being disruptive by not adding bodies tdnh < 1473125404 0 :APNG!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, seems easier to just remove it < 1473125417 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: this room is already packed, full of esoteric madness and sanity < 1473125456 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? mad < 1473125456 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :APNG: it really doesnt. < 1473125457 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This wisdom entry was censored for being too accurate. < 1473125465 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :curses < 1473125469 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1473125480 0 :APNG!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :moonythedwarf_, /kick is easier than figuring out who's behind it < 1473125492 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like to make up the "esoteric programming" block of Magic: the Gathering cards? < 1473125499 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :APNG: You're being far more disruptive than the bot. < 1473125509 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ < 1473125513 0 :APNG!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, how? < 1473125521 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example, you're being rude to the bot. < 1473125524 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1473125526 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or its owner. < 1473125532 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :moonythedwarf_ is second-most disruptive. < 1473125539 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm probably third. < 1473125540 0 :APNG!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a bot .-. < 1473125554 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You were being a jerk anyway. < 1473125561 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hugs his silver metal for being second most disruptive < 1473125593 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :A good luck piece? < 1473125640 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION awaits the earning of the almighty string loop metal < 1473125647 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yeah, our internet is entirely down. Apparently there's an ongoing 6-hour maintenance window right now nobody saw fit to mention to us. < 1473125649 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :derp *medal < 1473125660 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ouch. < 1473125671 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Whose? < 1473125724 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, can you give your opinion in the bot that popped up randomly recently, polybot? < 1473125797 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Either BT or my ISP (zen.co.uk), I can't quite tell from their status page. < 1473125824 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's been a bunch previously as well, but this is the first one that actually took things down. < 1473125837 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Presumably they're actually doing something this time. < 1473125848 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat. i'm actually logging #esoteric. < 1473125863 0 :polybot!~nodebot@225.147.197.104.bc.googleusercontent.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1473125870 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought i had specifically told irssi to log only privmsg < 1473125875 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it left. < 1473125884 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sigh* < 1473125906 0 :polybot!~nodebot@225.147.197.104.bc.googleusercontent.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1473125907 0 :polybot!~nodebot@225.147.197.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Type ~>help for all commands, and ~>help for help on a command. < 1473125933 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :polybot: i think the join message is unnecessary hth < 1473125957 0 :polybot!~nodebot@225.147.197.104.bc.googleusercontent.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1473125986 0 :polybot!~nodebot@225.147.197.104.bc.googleusercontent.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1473126002 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well then, that proves the owner is listening. < 1473126091 0 :APNG!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :polybot, stop making fwilson look bad, change the bot's name < 1473126129 0 :polybot!~nodebot@225.147.197.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does it make fwilson look bad? < 1473126147 0 :APNG!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :polybot, fwilson made a bot called polybot 3 or so years ago < 1473126152 0 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric +o :oerjan < 1473126170 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no MODE #esoteric +b :*!*nodebot@*.147.197.104.bc.googleusercontent.com < 1473126171 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no KICK #esoteric :polybot < 1473126187 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :saw it comeing. < 1473126193 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no MODE #esoteric -o :oerjan < 1473126208 0 :APNG!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, who? < 1473126227 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: How can you tell? < 1473126230 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ < 1473126233 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :APNG: our channel's most insistently returning troll < 1473126247 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i doubt its hagb4rd < 1473126257 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's no proof < 1473126266 0 :APNG!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, hmm... < 1473126269 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not that insistent imho < 1473126277 0 :APNG!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they don't seem to have signed their work... < 1473126284 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*MWAHAHAHA* < 1473126289 0 :APNG!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, how can you be so sure? < 1473126292 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ < 1473126306 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :an interesting question. i don't wish that to be generally known hth < 1473126316 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Free until proven guilty < 1473126328 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope. < 1473126336 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pure guesswork, i bet oerjan < 1473126336 0 :APNG!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in my experience, the ppl usually considered trolls tend to sign their work < 1473126370 0 :APNG!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh, "work" < 1473126405 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, proof is needed. otherwise it can be considered a unfair ban. < 1473126409 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :APNG: hagb4rd has never done that. < 1473126414 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No proof is needed. < 1473126444 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe hagb4rd is oerjan's alter ego < 1473126447 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :somewhere else we have somebody in therapy who is joining at least twice a weak holding huge monologues insulting any possible human < 1473126452 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*MWAHAWAT* < 1473126518 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the next episode, oerjan turns out to be the polybot author and it was all some sort of crafty scheme. < 1473126521 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : oerjan: myndzi is being disruptive by not adding bodies tdnh <-- tru. < 1473126530 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :^celebrate < 1473126532 0 :APNG!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh ok < 1473126535 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right. < 1473126542 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1473126543 0 :APNG!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also plurals are cool < 1473126547 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There < 1473126548 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm back < 1473126553 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :APNG: Oh, how are plurals cool? < 1473126561 0 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-126-39.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: it takes two bots to party < 1473126616 0 :APNG!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], well they're forced to deal with so much crap that I find them cool < 1473126633 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1473126642 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd prefer pluralal consistency < 1473126646 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oxes < 1473126648 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cactuses < 1473126665 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :algae < 1473126675 0 :APNG!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that kind of plural < 1473126692 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :spaghetti < 1473126710 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Buffalos < 1473126736 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: I see "algae" more as a mass noun more than a plural < 1473126749 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should need the proper proof otherwise is no good. Alternatively, can it be similar to zero-knowledge-proof? I think not. < 1473126750 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is a plural < 1473126760 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@ppp-115-87-226-143.revip4.asianet.co.th JOIN :#esoteric < 1473126799 0 :APNG!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :plurals are cooler than plurals < 1473126813 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, algae:rain::alga:raindrop < 1473126836 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :APNG: What kind of plural? < 1473126851 0 :APNG!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh there's probably a better link I could use, but this'll do http://pluralityresource.org/plurality-information/ < 1473126859 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: And spaghetti is a dish, not a collection of individual objects < 1473126876 0 :APNG!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that kind of plural is better than the grammar kind of plural < 1473126892 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, "duck" is its own plural (but "ducks" is also acceptable) < 1473126894 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i used to fool my english class with people - peoples, pupil - ? < 1473126912 0 :APNG!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :'peoples' is a thing < 1473126916 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: spaghetti are more than one spaghetto hth < 1473126935 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :APNG: look it up. it's not what you'd expect < 1473126936 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: I have never heard that. Is that actually valid Italian? < 1473126946 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: it is < 1473126962 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cappuccino is singular of cappuccini < 1473126969 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :same with gnocchi < 1473126979 0 :APNG!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname, it's impossible to look up < 1473126986 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: "peoples" is a thing and everyone knows it. When "people" is used as a singular, it refers to a society (or ethnicity, etc.), and "peoples" refers to several of these < 1473127001 0 :APNG!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ < 1473127004 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So "Native American peoples" refers to the various groups of American Indian < 1473127019 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And buffalo is weird- "buffalo", "bison", and (to a lesser extent) "buffalos"/"buffaloes" are all correct < 1473127062 0 :APNG!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes, this kind of plural is cool: pluralityresource.org/plurality-information/ < 1473127069 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(If you said "buffaloes" to someone who wasn't particularly invested in bison- e.g. anyone not from the midwest- they'd probably take a few seconds to catch the use of a weird pluralization) < 1473127095 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well, maybe not. But everyone knows what you mean and it sounds like it could be right.) < 1473127128 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, the same italian one: graffito < 1473127140 0 :APNG!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nvm .-. < 1473127148 0 :APNG!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PART #esoteric :"o/" < 1473127163 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :deers, fishes/fishies, salmons, sheeps, squids (huh, apparently "squid" is a valid plural. I guess it's just that if there's more than one squid, you're too busy screaming to talk about it) < 1473127175 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pigs, trouts < 1473127212 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you refer to a single piece of the blues genre? < 1473127219 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It's a very nice blue"? < 1473127238 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :blues piece? < 1473127242 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION lurks < 1473127244 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :böues track < 1473127246 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :song < 1473127248 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever < 1473127250 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ox -> oxes, child -> ...OK, "children" is the only acceptable plural of child. < 1473127273 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, "brethren" is just an archaic pluralization of "brother" < 1473127293 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(How do you triple-plural person? person -> people -> peoples -> ???) < 1473127302 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You must never say "brethren" and "brothers" in the same breath. < 1473127312 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's OK in multiple breathren. < 1473127312 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, "bee" is plural "been" in Ireland < 1473127351 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Many goose is "goose", many moose is "meese" < 1473127374 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :english is a mess < 1473127392 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :many goose is goöse < 1473127429 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but oh welö, in german, the plural of "status" is "status", but with a longer u < 1473127429 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@ppp-115-87-226-143.revip4.asianet.co.th QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1473127447 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"bitchen be crazy" < 1473127464 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, hyponyms are interesting < 1473127488 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is directly transfered from latin, i think < 1473127506 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I've heard people say that the word "bitch" (in the non-dog sense) shouldn't be used at work because it's sexist) < 1473127597 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(OK, (a) it shouldn't be used at work because it's considered obscene, and you don't use obscene words at work in general unless you work for an institution that permits or encourages it (like a Porn site). (b) Really, it's no more sexist than "waitress" in my mind, because I've always thought of "bitch" as the feminine of "bastard". Now, using it to refer to a man, on the other hand...) < 1473127642 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I just learned about hyponyms and hypernyms, and now I'm happy < 1473127767 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently polybot has a semioffical channel. < 1473127833 0 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1473127966 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oooooh "pence" is "pennies" < 1473128043 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in the US. < 1473128049 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Well yeah < 1473128054 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the US "pennies" is $/100 and "pence" is £/100 < 1473128093 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually maybe in the US "pennies" is only the coins, not the currency. < 1473128100 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: But I've heard "pence", a hector times, and I'm just now learning that it just means "cents" in a way referring to the coin < 1473128179 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I assume when you're referring to pennies themselves you still say pence? Like, "can you make change for this" "No, I only have 8 pence" (when he has more money than that, but the price-offer relation requires nine pennies to make exact change)) < 1473128185 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: "pennies" would generally refer to the coin in US English. < 1473128191 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I know. < 1473128227 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The bizarre thing is that apparently some stocks are traded in pounds and some are traded in pence? < 1473128228 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think you would ever say "I only have 8 pennies" unless you literally only had 8 1¢ coins. < 1473128234 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo how odd < 1473128276 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, that is a little weird. < 1473128318 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penny_sterling < 1473128363 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not quite as weird as the now-historical practice in the US of trading stocks in 1/8th dollars. < 1473128377 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in 1997) < 1473128383 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :(erm, until 1997) < 1473128389 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, say, you're buying something that costs ¤9.91 and carrying a ¤10. The cashier has 1 ¤5-bill, 5 ¤1-coins, 1 ¤0.10-coin, and 8 pennies. AFAICT, he needs 9 pennies to make exact change. Could he refer to the pennies themselves as "8 pence", even though he has far more than that amount of money aggregate?) < 1473128395 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/\)// < 1473128403 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1473128413 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I thought it was until 2000 or so. < 1473128426 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: But now they're experimenting with making the tick size for some stocks $0.05. < 1473128446 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, I was quoting when the NYSE made the switch. < 1473128459 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the SEC required all other markets to make the switch in 2001. < 1473128483 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, when one exchange makes the switch to a finer tick size, of course all the rest want to make it too. < 1473128498 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I thought it was later than 1997. But I'm not sure. < 1473128523 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: What do you think the tick size should be? < 1473128533 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :The NYSE is by no means the only exchange; it's entirely plausible it took other exchanges longer. < 1473128548 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno, the mil? < 1473128565 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't want it too small. < 1473128591 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The SEC already thinks $0.01 might be too small. < 1473128608 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is why they're experimenting with $/20. < 1473128610 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a reason I didn't say FLT_EPSILON. :P < 1473128617 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, hrm. < 1473128718 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Personally, I think that value of a stock should be indicated by k ∈ ℂ < 1473128773 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, why 1/8? I mean, I'm sure the 8 is for technical reasons (2^3=8, ofc), but shouldn't they at least have used 16 (2^4, much nicer for bytes) < 1473128797 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really, I would've gone with 256 (2^8, 1 full byte, easy for computers) < 1473128813 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :In European markets tick size often varies with price. < 1473128825 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :It wasn't for technical reasons, it's for hilarious legacy reasons. < 1473128827 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which makes sense < 1473128842 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :The US used to use the Spanish dollar, or pieces-of-eight, as currency. < 1473128843 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Ah, did their old computers use 6-bit bytes? < 1473128847 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :It had 8 natural subdivisions. < 1473128857 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1473128861 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That works < 1473128877 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I think there should be a metric unit of value of some sort) < 1473128879 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the minimum tick size *was* $/16 < 1473128893 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(At least in the #esoteric system) < 1473128902 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah? < 1473128910 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :$/16 was switched *to* as part of migrating to $/10. < 1473128918 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :$/8 was the historical practice. < 1473128927 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :$/16 was the practice at time of decimalization. < 1473128934 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why this made sense is beyond me. < 1473128947 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's wrong with $/16? < 1473128962 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(What unit would the #esoteric system of measurement start with? As in, like, if we do time we can say that the base distance is how far light moves in that time) < 1473128965 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing, it's just weird to do $/8->$/16->$/10 rather than $/8->$/10. < 1473128998 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It'd probably start with shachafs, tbh) < 1473129114 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1473129231 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, base unit of distance is 0.865 meters (names later) < 1473129250 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not interesting. < 1473129261 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: What isn't? < 1473129271 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just a different number. Boring. All you do is multiply. < 1473129285 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want something interesting, produce a whole new perspective on length and measurement. < 1473129287 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Yeah, I know, but that could be said of pretty much any unit < 1473129297 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like general relativity, maybe? < 1473129302 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, and how would one do that? I think length is fairly objective < 1473129306 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, yes, relativity < 1473129317 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or special, I guess. Whatever. < 1473129332 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's one sort of perspective that could be esoteric. If it wasn't so mainstream. < 1473129342 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Invent something like that. < 1473129346 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This is the perceived height of Einstein to a stationary observer while moving at 15% of the speed of light" < 1473129364 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Boring. < 1473129367 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, interesting measurement is hard, OK? < 1473129377 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure. < 1473129378 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Well what do you think would be interesting? < 1473129392 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. < 1473129407 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linear inches would maybe be an esoteric measurement if airlines didn't use them. < 1473129411 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it's even possible to esotericize measurement without losing any semblance of consistency < 1473129434 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :See, that's exactly why you need to step back. < 1473129440 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: OK < 1473129444 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION steps back < 1473129449 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you want me to drop consistency? < 1473129473 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of the ideas is measuring time and space using the same units. < 1473129478 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you can measure other things using the same units. < 1473129479 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I was going to go for things like m^(1/2) at some point < 1473129489 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooooh, I have always wanted that < 1473129498 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, that could be intersting, if you figure out something that works. < 1473129510 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Certainly more interesting than 86.5% of a metre. < 1473129522 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: 86.5% of a meter is 1/2 the height of Hitler < 1473129536 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I was going to go for Turing, but I couldn't find his height) < 1473129536 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, but that's not interesting. < 1473129546 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It isn't, but I needed somethign < 1473129547 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's already taken. < 1473129550 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can use the smoot if you want. < 1473129562 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I'm not using that anymore < 1473129595 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The problem is there's no physical interpretation of root meters < 1473129620 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did I talk about volume time in here? < 1473129635 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I did, and oerjan said something about how when all you have is nail polish, everything looks like a nail. < 1473129697 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1473129702 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I think there's an equation with m^(1/2) in it, but I forgot what it is) < 1473129832 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In materials engineering, there's MPa(m)^1/2 < 1473129855 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I take it that's megapascals*m^(1/2) < 1473129855 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1473130061 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could measure expansion in m^2/s, I suppose. If you wanted to measure the growth of a side (assuming it's a perfect square; if it isn't, you math it so it is), you'd have to use m/sqrt(s) < 1473130122 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it had to be in per-second notation, you'd use m*sqrt(s)/s. If you measure it in what happens in 1 second, you get a result in m*sqrt(s) < 1473130124 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is QUIT :Quit: Zarutian < 1473130186 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now for a physical interpretation... < 1473130248 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :physical interpretations are for the physicists < 1473130298 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: They're nice though < 1473130360 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You aren't being impure if you switch mindsets and only apply your mathematics at the very end (take a real-world problem, drop all the real-world stuff, do proper math, quickly turn it back into something real at the very end) < 1473130386 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you explain what's going on to the reader in real-world terms while mathing it, THEN your math is impure < 1473131806 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really don't like MKS; MGS would be objectively better < 1473131879 0 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Quit: Goodbye < 1473132167 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it's going to be entirely impossible to make Americans use SI, can we at least get them to use a YPS (yard-pound-second) metric variant? < 1473132239 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1473132247 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :At that point, why not go the whole 8.2296 meters? < 1473132266 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: And just switch to metric? Because Americans. < 1473132275 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Americans won't go for it < 1473132280 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though PPP would be the best < 1473132292 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :pooch-pooch-pooch < 1473132460 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1473132631 0 :Guest23396!~IRIX@2001:41d0:8:791d::1 QUIT :Changing host < 1473132631 0 :Guest23396!~IRIX@freebsd/user/kastengraeber JOIN :#esoteric < 1473132639 0 :Guest23396!?@? NICK :JX7P < 1473132855 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: ...planck < 1473132860 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FFF as well < 1473133062 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I want to see FFF, but with the additional base units for electric current, temperature, luminous intensity, and amount of substance) < 1473133119 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Plus prefixes) < 1473133138 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(All unit names must start with F, and probably also the prefixes) < 1473133147 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prefixes based on powers of 7? < 1473133318 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Temperature has to be Fahrenheit of course < 1473133651 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? wegians < 1473133652 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A wegian is an equivalence class of #esoteric regulars. There are two main wegians, the Nor (from Finland) and the Glas (from Hexham). < 1473134745 0 :dos!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1473135003 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1473135261 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1473135283 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1473135397 0 :dos!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1473135468 0 :primo!~primo@122.155.138.138 JOIN :#esoteric < 1473135931 0 :Akaibu!uid118096@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xevsifijvsiacjjt JOIN :#esoteric < 1473136128 0 :dos!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1473136718 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1473136932 0 :dos!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1473137042 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote prose < 1473137043 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1134) A Swede who was in #esoteric / Thought his rhymes were a little generic. / "I might use, in my prose, / ꙮs, / But my poetry's alphanumeric." < 1473137094 0 :primo!~primo@122.155.138.138 PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1473137652 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1473137781 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How capable is iCE40 FPGA compared to Xilinx, if IceStorm is used? < 1473137801 0 :sirnaysayer!~naysayer@104.244.72.181 JOIN :#esoteric < 1473138942 0 :Moonythedwarf!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf JOIN :#esoteric < 1473139838 0 :centrinia!~centrinia@107-208-218-105.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1473139862 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf JOIN :#esoteric < 1473139936 0 :centrinia!~centrinia@107-208-218-105.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1473139999 0 :Moonythedwarf!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1473140790 0 :Moonythedwarf!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf JOIN :#esoteric < 1473140952 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1473141048 0 :Moonythedwarf!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1473141576 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1473141642 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathematical notation prank idea: if you have two variables h and p and you take their product, just call their product 'f' without explicitly stating so and act confused when people don't understand < 1473141648 0 :byteflame!~byteflame@50.25.160.41 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1473141730 0 :byteflame!~byteflame@50.25.160.41 JOIN :#esoteric < 1473141975 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, single- and double-story a and g are different variables < 1473142012 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Umlaut is an operator, but can only be applied to a (either kind), e, i, o, and u < 1473142050 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :w is equal to 2*u OR u^2, depending on the paper (be consistent in each paper, but feel free to change in different papers) < 1473142658 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose it is a new kind? < 1473142699 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: ? < 1473142772 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION . o o () < 1473142780 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...I swear, that's never happened to me before < 1473142806 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION . o O ( English needs some new bizarre letter variants that our ancestors will look at and say "huh, that's weird, didn't realize they used THAT historically" ) < 1473142904 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION . o O ( I've only really seen . o O notation in JParanoia ) < 1473143086 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1473143762 0 :primo_!~primo@122.155.138.138 JOIN :#esoteric < 1473143779 0 :primo_!~primo@122.155.138.138 PART #esoteric : < 1473143962 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1473144131 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( Do you have clearance to reveal that information ) < 1473144301 0 :Guest15977!~qdwdq@cm-84.213.210.92.getinternet.no QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1473144719 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1473144974 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did Einstein ever appear on television? < 1473145018 0 :izabera!~izabera@64.137.202.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :last week on themoreyouknow < 1473145091 0 :Cale!~cale@CPEc8d3a35c2cdd-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :c̈ < 1473145117 0 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-dxmbjenieshbdtza QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1473145133 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possible, but I don't know. < 1473145211 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently he died on route to a TV appearance commemorating the 7th anniversary of the state of Israel, though. < 1473145229 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, sorry. Not on route. Died intending to go to one. < 1473145263 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1473145304 0 :carado!~carado@2a01:e34:ec1e:2390:8341:b3f5:2d6:41fa JOIN :#esoteric < 1473145397 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1473145448 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :He was a Jew from Germany, so I can understand why he'd a) care to do such a thing b) be invited for such a thing. < 1473145496 0 :izabera!~izabera@64.137.202.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and, you know, the science thing < 1473145523 0 :izabera!~izabera@64.137.202.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :your comment looks slightly racist < 1473145578 0 :izabera!~izabera@64.137.202.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :implying that he'd be invited to tv shows for being a jew rather than for what he did < 1473145598 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07List of quines14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=49695&oldid=45967 5* 03Martin Ender 5* (-86) 10/* Prelude */ update with shortened quine and correct line < 1473145608 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, more for the specific element of being for the 7th anniversary of the founding of the state of Israel. < 1473145666 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. that if he weren't Jewish it's rather unlikely they would think of having him for that particular event. < 1473145688 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm nothing caught in the wiki spam filter today < 1473145700 0 :izabera!~izabera@64.137.202.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: add some < 1473145702 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or yesterday < 1473145839 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEtQ-gQ0Bq8 < 1473145870 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: done hth < 1473145879 0 :izabera!~izabera@64.137.202.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1473145893 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's hard to remember that Einstein had a mega-german accent) < 1473145928 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :got caught in two of the filters < 1473146100 0 :MoALTz!~no@78-11-247-26.static.ip.netia.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1473146109 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :very mega < 1473146336 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I wonder what accent of german I'm learning- like, obviously, I'm going to have an american accent, but I'll also have an accent based on what my German teacher (who apparently doesn't have an accent according to other germans, despite being from Tennysee) < 1473146339 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(sp) < 1473146343 0 :hppavilion[2]!?@? NICK :hppavilion[1] < 1473146403 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :just pronounce german like einstein pronounced english, and you'll be fine. < 1473146418 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...huh < 1473146431 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION whistles innocently < 1473146637 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shockingly, irssi doesn't seem to have a simple command for sending ctcp replies. < 1473146696 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*shocked* < 1473146717 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: /nctcp? < 1473146724 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: just found it hth < 1473146730 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you use NOTICE command? < 1473146736 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: come on < 1473146739 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that wasn't a tdh? < 1473146747 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :twhh? < 1473146752 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: no, because i'd already found it < 1473146762 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :twhhioihfif < 1473146764 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sent the reply a second before < 1473146767 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, twhhioihnfif < 1473146775 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :taautdnh < 1473146786 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :the point is, do you want to encourage the behavior < 1473146790 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :not just this isolated incident < 1473146806 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :twhhbywtl OKAY? < 1473146846 0 :augur!~augur@2601:640:8001:4222:226:bbff:fe08:46ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1473146864 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't decipher the previous acronym < 1473146883 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean not the latest one but the one before < 1473146900 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's very meta-appropriate, in fact < 1473146924 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tchh < 1473146927 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tshh < 1473146935 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :twhhbamtw < 1473146936 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :btjdnh? < 1473146953 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION blows a brain fuse < 1473147044 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mine was: that would have helped if only i had not found it first < 1473147052 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :tanstaaha < 1473147098 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn tanstaaha so please stop using them twh < 1473147101 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'tanstaaha': tanstaaha so please stop using them twh < 1473147165 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`sedlast s# twh#. That would help.#;s# #, # < 1473147168 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom/tanstaaha//tanstaaha, so please stop using them. That would help. < 1473147171 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, it was "those acronyms are unreadable, that does not help" < 1473147196 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :tanstahth < 1473147205 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: how hypercritical < 1473147215 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What? < 1473147222 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you ever been helped by a hairy toe? < 1473147231 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you removed the hypocrisy tdnh < 1473147247 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would the dogs care about hypocrisy < 1473147265 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, hyperccriticial/hypocritical < 1473147270 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm missing a pun of some sort < 1473147297 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly by removing hypocrisy, you are creating hypercrisy, duh < 1473147331 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( what's duh an acronym of again ) < 1473147366 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm. < 1473147373 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Oh, now I see. < 1473147380 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You were talking about the sed < 1473147410 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? aha < 1473147411 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1473147491 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn aha would be a helpful acronym, but has a shedding problem. < 1473147493 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'aha': aha would be a helpful acronym, but has a shedding problem. < 1473147498 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn AHA is a helpful acronym for American Heart Association. < 1473147501 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Relearned 'aha': AHA is a helpful acronym for American Heart Association. < 1473147501 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1473147531 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shedding? < 1473147538 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's very hairy < 1473147563 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should revert my edit. < 1473147613 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert < 1473147615 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY < 1473147622 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rm: cannot remove `/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/env/.hg/store/data/canary.orig': Is a directory \ Done. < 1473148070 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? oerjan < 1473148071 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your mysterious reanimate œverlord kommisjonær immoritus oerjan is a lazy expert in future computation. Also a Precambrian Norwegian who mildly dislikes Roald Dahl with a pasjon. Lately when he tries to remember a word, "amortized" pops up. His arch-nemesis is Betty Crocker. He sometimes puns without noticing it. < 1473148082 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slwd oerjan//s#reanimate#helpful# < 1473148084 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom/oerjan//Your mysterious helpful œverlord kommisjonær immoritus oerjan is a lazy expert in future computation. Also a Precambrian Norwegian who mildly dislikes Roald Dahl with a pasjon. Lately when he tries to remember a word, "amortized" pops up. His arch-nemesis is Betty Crocker. He sometimes puns without noticing it. < 1473148121 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it still true that when you try to remember a word, "amortized" pops up? < 1473148127 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh man < 1473148138 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just found out the identity of Betty Crocker < 1473148143 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :or the identity of [redacted] < 1473148219 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shocking < 1473148234 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: it might be, i haven't tried to remember a word in a while < 1473150380 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-2hj4tbos9tbg5bhdwyq4xrsio.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1473150705 0 :Kaynato!~Aedile@cpe-174-100-169-144.neo.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1473150841 0 :Caesura!~Aedile@cpe-174-100-169-144.neo.res.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1473151674 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1473152260 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1473153195 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phew, finally some internets. < 1473153228 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1473154492 0 :Guest15977!~qdwdq@cm-84.213.210.92.getinternet.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1473157835 0 :MoALTz!~no@user-109-243-7-50.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1473161321 0 :MoALTz!~no@user-109-243-7-50.play-internet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1473162928 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@ppp-115-87-226-125.revip4.asianet.co.th JOIN :#esoteric < 1473163425 0 :Guest15977!~qdwdq@cm-84.213.210.92.getinternet.no QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1473164066 0 :izabera!~izabera@64.137.202.202 QUIT :Changing host < 1473164066 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera JOIN :#esoteric < 1473164892 0 :byteflame!~byteflame@50.25.160.41 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1473165078 0 :augur!~augur@2601:640:8001:4222:226:bbff:fe08:46ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1473165114 0 :augur!~augur@2601:640:8001:4222:784d:3b66:940b:4542 JOIN :#esoteric < 1473165375 0 :augur!~augur@2601:640:8001:4222:784d:3b66:940b:4542 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1473167784 0 :Guest15977!~qdwdq@cm-84.213.210.92.getinternet.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1473167857 0 :yorick_!?@? NICK :yorick < 1473170046 0 :stateless!~sin@saturn.2f30.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1473170544 0 :byteflame!~byteflame@50.25.160.41 JOIN :#esoteric < 1473170643 0 :Kaynato!~Aedile@cpe-174-100-169-144.neo.res.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1473172092 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1473172389 0 :byteflame!~byteflame@50.25.160.41 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1473173317 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1473175805 0 :keemyb!keemyb@gateway/shell/fnordserver.eu/x-pzaaannhmvuqfjmr QUIT :Quit: https://fnordserver.eu < 1473176599 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@ppp-115-87-226-125.revip4.asianet.co.th QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1473176657 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@ppp-115-87-226-125.revip4.asianet.co.th JOIN :#esoteric < 1473176713 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@ppp-115-87-226-125.revip4.asianet.co.th QUIT :Client Quit < 1473177052 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@ppp-115-87-226-125.revip4.asianet.co.th JOIN :#esoteric < 1473177185 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: an internet? where? < 1473177620 0 :keemyb!keemyb@gateway/shell/fnordserver.eu/x-repszpdpotvwrdad JOIN :#esoteric < 1473177645 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1473177847 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :It came out of the wall at home. < 1473179299 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Dbfi14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=49696&oldid=30552 5* 03Nthern 5* (+0) 10typo correction: CGBSI should be CGBFI < 1473180319 0 :MoALTz!~no@78-11-247-26.static.ip.netia.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1473181092 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1473181746 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: A ghost? < 1473181829 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :An internet. < 1473182030 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I saw internets coming out of the walls, I'd jump out a window to avoid being crushed. < 1473183140 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1473184964 0 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1473185194 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1473186438 0 :MDead!?@? NICK :MDude < 1473186897 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :President of the Phillipines Duterte threatens to eat terrorists. < 1473186911 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :#nottheonion < 1473186929 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"with salt and vinegar" < 1473186984 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like terrorists the most with fresh grilling marks < 1473186996 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a nice bbq sauce < 1473187534 0 :bibibi!~bibibi@64.137.202.202 JOIN :#esoteric < 1473187922 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anybody ever made some kind of a todo list for df-likes? i know there is that kind of stuff für roguelikes < 1473188415 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have not seen for either < 1473188807 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :roguelike howtwos usually advice you to hardcode levels at first and stuff < 1473188829 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which makes lot of sense in that point < 1473188841 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but is completely irrelevant for df likes < 1473188937 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :One forum I go on has now added a field in the user profile for RDF link (which says it can be used not only for RDF but also for RSS or Atom), although currently there is no way of automatically reading that file on the forum server since that would be more difficult to program and furthermore would cause problems when they upgrade the forum software. < 1473188972 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: Well, I don't know df likes working, but I suppose what you said can be work for roguelike < 1473188991 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What other advice did they give? < 1473189095 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd have to look it up, i read that quite a while ago < 1473189122 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but imho roguelikes and df likes are way too different to use similar approaches in design < 1473189291 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe you < 1473190027 0 :Kaynato!~Aedile@casewireless03.CWRU.Edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1473190314 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is JOIN :#esoteric < 1473190473 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-92.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1473190495 0 :Kaynato!~Aedile@casewireless03.CWRU.Edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1473191555 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1473192250 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-92.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1473192375 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@LFbn-1-3085-42.w90-79.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a way to implement combinators using C# delegates without getting stack overflows < 1473192390 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@LFbn-1-3085-42.w90-79.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doing it via string modification is straighforward enough < 1473192468 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@LFbn-1-3085-42.w90-79.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :For instance, if I pick the Turing combinator U, then ``UUI = `I``UUI = ``UUI < 1473192476 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@LFbn-1-3085-42.w90-79.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Infinite loop but the string size doesn't change < 1473192502 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@LFbn-1-3085-42.w90-79.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if I do it via delegates, the recursive function calls makes the stack quickly overflow < 1473192507 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@LFbn-1-3085-42.w90-79.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a way around this < 1473192766 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-92.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1473192960 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how is C# working < 1473193315 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :change the size of the C# stack? < 1473193541 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@LFbn-1-3085-42.w90-79.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is not really a v. good solution < 1473193549 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@LFbn-1-3085-42.w90-79.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :It will overflow in 3 seconds instead of 1 < 1473193603 0 :byteflame!~byteflame@50.25.160.41 JOIN :#esoteric < 1473194029 0 :carado!~carado@2a01:e34:ec1e:2390:8341:b3f5:2d6:41fa QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1473194054 0 :byteflam1!~byteflame@50.25.160.41 JOIN :#esoteric < 1473194063 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-92.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION . o O ( There should be a programmer religion with numerology in hex ) < 1473194106 0 :byteflam1!~byteflame@50.25.160.41 QUIT :Client Quit < 1473194110 0 :byteflame!~byteflame@50.25.160.41 QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1473194125 0 :byteflame!~byteflame@50.25.160.41 JOIN :#esoteric < 1473194544 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: your random number generator came up with 0x600DD065! you will have good luck with animals today < 1473194600 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-92.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: Yes < 1473194605 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-92.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'll also need digit sum and such < 1473194818 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-92.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: How should the rng be seeded? < 1473194908 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :with your birthdate and the current angle between the sun and the planet Ceres < 1473194914 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-92.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking something like that < 1473194933 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-92.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: Seed with birthday, result is modulo Ceres? < 1473194978 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-92.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(seed with birthdate via day^3+month^2+year using the reformed calendar) < 1473195122 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :My position on planets is that anything going around the sun that is round is a planet by the way < 1473195150 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ceres is spherical, therefore is a planet, not an asteroid < 1473195183 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about that tennis ball I lost in space that one time < 1473195256 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: that's a very small artificial planet < 1473195282 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :how did that happen? < 1473195294 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shenanigans. < 1473195300 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :classic < 1473195328 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the whole clearing their neighbourhood thing is just a stupid excuse to preven their being hundreds of planets beyond Neptune < 1473195396 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :... and between Mars and Earth. < 1473195418 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: there are very few spherical asteroids actually < 1473195445 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember the first time I played KSP I got a single kerbal on solar escape orbit, largely by accident < 1473195467 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still... < 1473195501 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, huh, there's only one known object in the asteroid belt that's spherical. < 1473195513 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dwarf planet Ceres. < 1473195561 0 :byteflame!~byteflame@50.25.160.41 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1473195583 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: yeah. basically my position comes down to saying that the things the IAU is calling "dwarf planets" should still fall into the category of "planets" < 1473195594 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Category of planets? < 1473195598 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are the arrows? < 1473195685 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: I don't really see why though -- clearing the neighborhood seems not-insignificant. < 1473195707 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"What's the degree of (x-a)(x-b)...(x-z)?" < 1473195713 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :7 < 1473195745 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-92.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm with Bertrand Russell on WWII < 1473195753 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: does that include x-x ? < 1473195772 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: it's defined arbitrarily though. There are a ton of asteroids that pass close to all the planets < 1473196413 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's just an excuse so they don't have to keep revising the number of planets < 1473196551 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-92.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? wegian < 1473196556 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A wegian is an equivalence class of #esoteric regulars. There are two main wegians, the Nor (from Finland) and the Glas (from Hexham). < 1473196633 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-92.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :He said that, despite nonviolence being the best strategy /usually/, Hitler was kind of bad and we need to fight him anyway < 1473197711 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-92.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1473197743 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I say Pluto is a planet just so that we can keep things consistent as to how they were, and then say "the 2000s were weird". < 1473197788 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-92.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1473197790 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is an episode of rick&morty about that < 1473197837 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? tarator < 1473197838 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tarator? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1473197843 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? gaspacho < 1473197845 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You like Gaspacho and I like Gazpacho. Let's call the whole thing off! < 1473197853 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? gaszpacho < 1473197854 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gaszpacho is a polish soup, traditionally szerved cold for hot szummer days < 1473197907 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Tarator is a Bulgarian soup, traditionally served cold for hot summer days. < 1473197909 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'tarator': Tarator is a Bulgarian soup, traditionally served cold for hot summer days. < 1473197958 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why doesnjt it spell "szoup"? < 1473198108 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why would it? < 1473198142 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is it szerved? < 1473198185 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that. < 1473198196 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`dowg gaszpacho < 1473198198 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2015-08-13 revert accbc9c5c7ec \ 2015-08-12 echo wisdom/* | shuf | head -n 10 | xargs rm \ 2014-03-16 revert \ 2014-03-16 revert 1 \ 2013-07-31 revert \ 2013-07-31 for x in wisdom/*; do rev "$x" > "$x"a; mv "$x"a "$x"; done \ 2013-02-13 revert 87c64ef250a0 \ 2013-02-13 revert 3 < 1473198202 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` rgrep -l szoup wisdom < 1473198209 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom/gazspaczo \ wisdom/disflagrate \ wisdom/szoup < 1473198220 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? gazspaczo < 1473198221 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gazspaczo iz a hungarian szoup, tradizsonally szerved cold for hot szummer dayz < 1473198226 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? szoup < 1473198227 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A szoup a szilárd tápszereknek híg alakban való elkészítése a célból, hogy könnyebben emészthetők legyenek; a hígító anyag a viz, mely feloldja s magába veszi a tápanyag legértékesebb részeit. < 1473198230 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? disflagrate < 1473198231 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :disflagrate v.t.perf.: a traditional technique from Poland (earliest attestation c. 1042) used to separate szoups. Nowadays, commercial production is entirely mechanized. < 1473198607 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? lecsó < 1473198608 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lecsó? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1473198785 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1473198790 0 :MoALTz!~no@78-11-247-26.static.ip.netia.com.pl QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1473198853 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1473198957 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom lecsó Delicious hungarian stew, made with peppers and tomatoes < 1473198958 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat: : No such file or directory \ // < 1473198970 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember how to make new ones < 1473199083 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1473199244 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1473199269 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1473199476 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there any languages that are LL(1) but are not LR(1)? < 1473199790 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :any bulgarians in here? < 1473200155 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, is Bulgarian LL(1) but not LR(1)? < 1473201191 0 :augur!~augur@c-67-160-198-240.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1473201245 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh, I'm loding my credentials as nativ english speaker < 1473201273 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't stop making grammatical and spelling problems < 1473201321 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote "with suport of" instead of "with support for" < 1473201441 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and above you can see more malapropisms < 1473201670 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Haskell/Zippers < 1473201692 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-2hj4tbos9tbg5bhdwyq4xrsio.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in < 1473202524 0 :Kaynato!~Aedile@cpe-174-100-169-144.neo.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1473202923 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1473203078 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is JOIN :#esoteric < 1473203164 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-92.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1473203286 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1473203374 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1473203905 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1473204235 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is JOIN :#esoteric < 1473204591 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1473205229 0 :Guest15977!~qdwdq@cm-84.213.210.92.getinternet.no QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1473205754 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1473205823 0 :byteflame!~byteflame@50.25.160.41 JOIN :#esoteric < 1473206099 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is QUIT :Quit: Zarutian < 1473206110 0 :Guest15977!~qdwdq@cm-84.213.210.92.getinternet.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1473206562 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1473207679 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1473208535 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Slereah Is there a way to implement combinators using C# delegates without getting stack overflows <-- i suspect this is when you need a trampoline. < 1473208536 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1473209185 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, the wikipedia Philosophy trick is freaking me out right now < 1473209187 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does it work? < 1473209198 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And is it possible to have a chain where it does not? < 1473209224 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mainly because articles about concrete things tend to start with a link to something slightly more abstract < 1473209252 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and philosophy is about the most abstract there is. < 1473209288 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: But is there, like, an inalienable reason? Like, MediaWiki code? < 1473209294 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or is it just random? < 1473209294 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so unless you have a _short_ loop (which probably exist), you'll probably keep going up. < 1473209325 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no intrinsic necessity there - after all, the trick _excludes_ the most mechanical links. < 1473209394 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think people in the channel searched for an exception once, and i think we found one. < 1473209406 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless it was a variant game. < 1473209428 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FUUUUUUUUUUU < 1473209436 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :God, it works every time < 1473209457 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well sure, it _usually_ does. < 1473209529 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love how https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linguistics needs a citation that it is, indeed, science < 1473209538 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1473209557 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION . o O ( Does Uncyclopedia have something like this? Or even just The Wiki? ) < 1473209576 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno about our wiki < 1473209590 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :we have the bf derivative game, of course. < 1473209595 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, wikipedia vandalism idea: Make all the loops have a distance of 1 (so in EVERY article, the first link is DIRECTLY to philosophy) < 1473209601 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haven't heard of it < 1473209662 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure i remember the rules, but you are basically clicking random until you either get a language you made, or a bf derivative. +1 for the former, -1 for the latter. or thereabouts. < 1473209713 0 :byteflame!~byteflame@50.25.160.41 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1473209728 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In classical [[philosophy]], Adolf Hitler is the archetypical [[Assholery (philosphy)|asshole]]..." < 1473209744 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a misspelling there < 1473209747 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oooh < 1473209749 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where? < 1473209755 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :philosphy < 1473209763 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No? < 1473209769 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the second one. < 1473209772 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :philosphy is just a branch of philosophy < 1473209773 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth < 1473209778 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :O KAY < 1473209801 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :("Adolf" is hard to spell, because I feel like it should be "Adolph") < 1473209818 0 :byteflame!~byteflame@50.25.160.41 JOIN :#esoteric < 1473209844 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's because you don't have the german spirit (Deutsche Volksgeist) < 1473209873 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dammit, even https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Adolf_Hitler applies < 1473209898 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :applies to what? < 1473209911 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Philosophication < 1473209932 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I kind of want to mathematicize ethics, but I fear that Godellery poses a problem < 1473209978 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mathematicizing ethics killed godel < 1473209998 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(by making not eating seem ethical, i guess) < 1473210020 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...nope < 1473210040 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i fail to see how your objection applies hth < 1473210084 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Question: When mathematicizing ethics, should one take the axiom of choice? < 1473210123 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Are there any languages that are LL(1) but are not LR(1)? <-- iirc no. < 1473210156 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: one should either take it or leave it, no third option hth < 1473211746 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION . o O ( Shouldn't eligibility to hold office start at 18? ) < 1473211798 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty sure that varies by country hth < 1473212093 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yeah, but, like, everywhere < 1473212106 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Well, if the age of majority is different, then change 18 to that) < 1473212212 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, why should it be tied to age rather than skill, anyway < 1473212230 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :18 is no guarantee of anything... < 1473212534 0 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com < 1473213412 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1473214204 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@ppp-115-87-226-125.revip4.asianet.co.th QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1473214472 0 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1473214475 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1473214563 0 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: just ordered it :) < 1473214573 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hipumpkin < 1473214587 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have any book corecommendations < 1473214596 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one isn't even the best book < 1473214599 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just pretty good < 1473214721 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1473215172 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1473216118 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1473216452 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1473216599 0 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1473217035 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Logicode14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=49697&oldid=49693 5* 03Qwerp-Derp 5* (+412) 10Added + operator in wiki < 1473217503 0 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: not really, don't read books much these days < 1473217523 0 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :the last thing I remember reading was that thriller they made into a movie about the dude with the disappeared wife < 1473217807 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I watched the movie but didn't read the book. < 1473217925 0 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, I haven't seen the movie < 1473217928 0 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :the book was riveting though < 1473217935 0 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :I finished it the night I started it < 1473218236 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :dvorak is such a reassuring robot. < 1473218414 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1473219701 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Freefall? < 1473219716 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION doesn't actually know which robot is which. < 1473219727 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Well, I know Clippy and ... Sam's robot) < 1473219737 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Helix iirc < 1473219748 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok so there are a number of robots I know < 1473219980 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :dvorak was like the second robot to show up in the series, i think... < 1473220053 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm nope < 1473220065 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that seems to have been sawtooth. < 1473220331 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fourth, then. qwerty was third. < 1473220396 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: I once read a mystery book printed on red and blue pages. < 1473220398 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was rivening. < 1473220655 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i also once read such a book. < 1473220664 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was neverending. < 1473220862 0 :myndzi!myndzi@tetrisguide.com QUIT :Quit: . < 1473221088 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm apparently only some editions had the colored text < 1473221760 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh man, colored text < 1473221765 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't remember whether my version had that. < 1473222052 0 :byteflame!~byteflame@50.25.160.41 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1473223315 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@49.229.173.5 JOIN :#esoteric < 1473229075 0 :carado!~carado@2a01:e34:ec1e:2390:8341:b3f5:2d6:41fa JOIN :#esoteric < 1473230392 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1473230521 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Standard Deviation: Square root of the average of the squares of the average value minus each single value; sqrt(sum([((sum(vals)/len(vals))-k)^2 for k in vals])/len(vals)) < 1473230527 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even-more-standard deviation: The same thing, but higher; cbrt(sum([((sqrt(sum([k^2 for k in vals])/len(vals)))-k)^3 for k in vals])/len(vals)) < 1473230551 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(wait, I did something wrong) < 1473230557 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, no I didn't < 1473230747 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@49.229.173.5 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1473231968 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :root-median-square < 1473232370 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, geometric median is a thing < 1473232386 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it works for arbitrarily many dimensions < 1473232414 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's calculated by finding the point p such that the sum of the distances to all other points is the smallest < 1473232972 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1473233012 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1473233028 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1473238055 0 :augur!~augur@c-67-160-198-240.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1473238702 0 :augur!~augur@c-67-160-198-240.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1473241300 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A4BF3B.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1473243892 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@ppp-115-87-126-243.revip4.asianet.co.th JOIN :#esoteric < 1473244350 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@ppp-115-87-126-243.revip4.asianet.co.th QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1473244603 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Quit: Jafet < 1473245571 0 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1473245930 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :stackoverflow is offline < 1473245949 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suddenly can't program < 1473246907 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@ppp-115-87-126-243.revip4.asianet.co.th JOIN :#esoteric < 1473247539 0 :xfix!~xfix@unaffiliated/xfix QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1473247935 0 :augur!~augur@c-67-160-198-240.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1473247979 0 :augur!~augur@2601:640:8001:4222:3d83:e49a:4ce6:ec76 JOIN :#esoteric < 1473248235 0 :augur!~augur@2601:640:8001:4222:3d83:e49a:4ce6:ec76 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1473248272 0 :xfix!~xfix@unaffiliated/xfix JOIN :#esoteric < 1473248825 0 :cnr!~connor@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1473249460 0 :cnr!~connor@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1473250453 0 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1473251381 0 :Kaynato!~Aedile@cpe-174-100-169-144.neo.res.rr.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1473251744 0 :Guest15977!~qdwdq@cm-84.213.210.92.getinternet.no QUIT : < 1473252924 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@ppp-115-87-126-243.revip4.asianet.co.th QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1473253098 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@ppp-115-87-126-243.revip4.asianet.co.th JOIN :#esoteric < 1473254540 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1473260319 0 :carado!~carado@2a01:e34:ec1e:2390:8341:b3f5:2d6:41fa QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1473260877 0 :carado!~carado@2a01:e34:ec1e:2390:8341:b3f5:2d6:41fa JOIN :#esoteric < 1473260963 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@ppp-115-87-126-243.revip4.asianet.co.th QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1473261634 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@de1.ut.deewiant.iki.fi QUIT :*.net *.split < 1473261634 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca QUIT :*.net *.split < 1473261634 0 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-082.rentec.com QUIT :*.net *.split < 1473261634 0 :deltab!~deltab@ds6266.dedicated.turbodns.co.uk QUIT :*.net *.split < 1473261647 0 :astslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1473262378 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@ppp-115-87-126-243.revip4.asianet.co.th JOIN :#esoteric < 1473262445 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@ppp-115-87-126-243.revip4.asianet.co.th QUIT :Client Quit < 1473262843 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@de1.ut.deewiant.iki.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1473262931 0 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-082.rentec.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1473262931 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1473262931 0 :deltab!~deltab@ds6266.dedicated.turbodns.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1473263772 0 :stateless!~sin@saturn.2f30.org QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1473264201 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1473265697 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, there are people who say heigth and not height? < 1473265838 0 :astslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1473269433 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rfist osecnd ithrd rfouth ffith xsith nseveth heigth nnith nteth < 1473270173 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Argh, why won't chrome allow https: to be redirected! < 1473271177 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1473271347 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-79.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1473271579 0 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1473271731 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1473272488 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: To what? < 1473272591 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-79.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm... what's the name of the reverse of the root mean square... < 1473272597 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-79.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(square-mean-root?) < 1473272628 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-79.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Square of the arithmetic means of the square roots) < 1473272789 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just "power mean with an exponent of 1/2". < 1473272924 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-79.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well yeah < 1473272930 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-79.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that doesn't sound interesting enough < 1473272938 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-79.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :square-mean-root (SMR) sounds cooler < 1473272954 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a bunch of hits for it. < 1473272960 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-79.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you can take the asymptotic square mean root to get ASMR < 1473272985 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though many of them are just hypotheticals. < 1473275022 0 :MoALTz!~no@78-11-247-26.static.ip.netia.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1473276629 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-79.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1473276776 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-79.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1473277198 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1473278683 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-79.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1473280253 0 :augur!~augur@c-67-160-198-240.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1473280998 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :On Saturday when internet was not working I somehow received an email messages that was dated from Thursday, it said my computer received it on Thursday too, but I didn't receive it. Do you know what is wrong with it, is there some sort of misconfiguration on my end? < 1473281021 0 :augur!~augur@c-67-160-198-240.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1473281058 0 :augur!~augur@2601:640:8001:4222:206c:416a:7f3d:cca8 JOIN :#esoteric < 1473281358 0 :augur!~augur@2601:640:8001:4222:206c:416a:7f3d:cca8 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1473281947 0 :augur!~augur@2601:640:8001:4222:5cfd:e621:5b5f:7213 JOIN :#esoteric < 1473282593 0 :augur!~augur@2601:640:8001:4222:5cfd:e621:5b5f:7213 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1473283349 0 :carado!~carado@2a01:e34:ec1e:2390:8341:b3f5:2d6:41fa QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1473283706 0 :carado!~carado@2a01:e34:ec1e:2390:8341:b3f5:2d6:41fa JOIN :#esoteric < 1473285566 0 :MoALTz!~no@78-11-247-26.static.ip.netia.com.pl QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1473286398 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1473286441 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-89.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1473286709 0 :carado!~carado@2a01:e34:ec1e:2390:8341:b3f5:2d6:41fa QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1473286764 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-89.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :If "ng" is /ŋ/ < 1473286769 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-89.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's "mg"? < 1473286770 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A4BF3B.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in < 1473286942 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :/㎎/. < 1473286951 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-89.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ɳ < 1473286954 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+0273 LATIN SMALL LETTER N WITH RETROFLEX HOOK] < 1473286976 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-89.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode Ɲ < 1473286977 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+019D LATIN CAPITAL LETTER N WITH LEFT HOOK] < 1473287008 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-89.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION prays there's a LATIN CAPITAL LETTER N WITH RETROFLEX HOOK < 1473287043 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's only one LATIN CAPITAL LETTER with a RETROFLEX HOOK, and it's T. < 1473287047 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-89.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damn, looks like there isn't < 1473287050 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-89.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1473287062 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-89.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was hoping to add ɳ to the alphabet < 1473287103 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ʈoo bad. < 1473287112 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-89.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1473287113 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-89.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :-_- < 1473287121 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-89.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone needs to bug the unicode consortium about this < 1473287154 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could add it anyways even if it isn't part of Unicode, if you want to do so < 1473287166 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-89.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, yes < 1473287176 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-89.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And eventually they'll have to add it >:) < 1473287188 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-89.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Until then, computer representations will be based on X-SAMPA) < 1473287222 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-89.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(X-SAMPA ɳ is n`, so capital ɳ will be written N` until further notice) < 1473287271 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't have to, you could just make your own code for it < 1473287293 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ⥥ < 1473287294 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+2965 DOWNWARDS HARPOON WITH BARB LEFT BESIDE DOWNWARDS HARPOON WITH BARB RIGHT] < 1473287714 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-89.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm... If we call '.' a "point", ',' a "pause", '!' an "exclamation stop", and '?' an "interrogation stop" (and, of course, '‽' an "exclamatory interrogation stop" or "interrobang" informally), then we can also have exclamation pauses, interrogative pauses, and exclamatory interrogation pauses ("interrobang pauses") < 1473287723 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-89.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and, of course, the inverted variants) < 1473287797 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have read someone has made up such thing before, I think < 1473287930 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :inverterrobang < 1473287958 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`olist 1051 < 1473287959 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olist 1051: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly boily nortti b_jonas < 1473288142 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now my RDF parser program in JavaScript has a few bug fixed and now supports hexadecimal integer literals (this is a nonstandard feature, and furthermore it does automatically convert to decimal in the returned RDF data). < 1473288508 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-89.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I'm pretty sure Unicode already has inverted interrobang, because if anybody were to start using interrobangs it'd be spanish-speakers (as they already decided proper punctuation is important enough to make sure you know they did it at the beginning), so of course there's an inverted one because they need it < 1473288535 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-89.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I like the exclamation pause and interrogation pause < 1473288540 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-89.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good for quotes, I guess? < 1473289327 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1473289730 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-89.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1473290734 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1473291008 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1473291112 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1473291177 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, Unicode has the gnaborretni. < 1473291208 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+2E18 INVERTED INTERROBANG < 1473291231 0 :Moonythedwarf!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf JOIN :#esoteric < 1473291576 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :It also has the HEAVY INTERROBANG ORNAMENT. < 1473291639 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if Metal Gear fans use the VERY HEAVY SOLIDUS character as a joke. < 1473291641 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Same block.) < 1473292043 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1473292811 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1473292916 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1473293208 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1473293225 0 :rodgort`!~rodgort@68.ip-149-56-14.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1473293227 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION . o O ( Perhaps #esoteric should start using Chess Annotation Symbols (??, ?, ?!, !?, !, !!) constantly, possibly when livereading active conversations ) < 1473293256 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( that idea is ?? ) < 1473293271 0 :rodgort!~rodgort@68.ip-149-56-14.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1473293323 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :ITYM ⁇ ⁈ ⁉ and ‼ HTH HAND < 1473293379 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1473293394 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :¿What, compose-?-? just yields a ¿? < 1473293439 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1473293550 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Chess_Championship_1975 confuses me... < 1473293559 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fischer wanted "first to win 10 games" < 1473293587 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And in the event of 9-9 he wanted the current champion (which would be him) to keep the title < 1473293616 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the event of 9-9 in a "first to win 10" format, wouldn't the correct response be "play one more game, the winner is the overall winner"? < 1473293660 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, wait, I guess the rationale is that if the score is 9-9, the players are about evenly matched and the 10th game is pretty much decided by a coin toss... < 1473293694 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION . o O ( How about "first to win 3 more games than the other has won?" (or some s/3/n/ for integer n)? ) < 1473293759 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that could in theory last forever < 1473294133 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I vaguely recall that the expected value of the absolute distance after N steps of 1-d random walk is something non-constant, which I guess would mean it'd be increasingly unlikely to continue? (Of course you could presumably use that as an argument against any sort of constant difference N as well, since it'd mean exactly evenly matched participants would reach that disparity eventually.) < 1473294402 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least sqrt(n) disparity hth < 1473294432 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that may or may not be the right order) < 1473294797 0 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1473294800 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 JOIN :#esoteric < 1473294839 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: no, I think all LL(1) languages are LR(1). I could be wrong though. < 1473294864 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm looking for a mechanical keyboard. Why does it seem like all good mechanical keyboards are horribly expensive? < 1473294981 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@ppp-115-87-126-243.revip4.asianet.co.th JOIN :#esoteric < 1473295172 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm pretty sure all LL(1) _languages_ are LR(1). not quite sure about _grammars_. < 1473295208 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want a clicky keyboard for home with 50 g force and 101/104 key US layout. < 1473295213 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for the first, an LL(1) recognizer is pretty obviously implementable as a deterministic pushdown automaton) < 1473295336 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seriously, they're horribly expensive. < 1473295341 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, an LR(1) grammar is one which needs only 1 token lookahead at the end of a production, while iirc an LL(1) grammar is one that needs only one token lookahead at the _beginning_ iirc. assuming that, it's pretty trivial for grammars too. < 1473295342 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do they have to cost this much? < 1473295362 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(to be sure that the production is chosen) < 1473295369 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How did people even have keyboards for their computers back twenty or thirty years ago when mechanical keyboards were the norm? < 1473295392 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the market in action hth < 1473295473 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can do other kinds of keyboards cheaper and satisfy the majority of people and so on and so forth. < 1473295507 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but still, fuck them. < 1473295633 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the IBM Model F keyboard < 1473295679 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Game: Total Shuffle Chess (AKA Chess60277490498889369439384431508790906881064404967751680) < 1473295701 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I prefer deterministic putdown automata < 1473295757 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats hppavilion[1] ------### < 1473295758 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well, it might actually be more like Chess15069372624722342359846107877197726720266101241937920 as castling becomes irrelevant and/or impossible) < 1473295780 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(processing...) < 1473295795 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ding! < 1473295796 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Your addiction to swatting indicates deeper issues, and that you're a broken human being worth less than fertilizer < 1473295931 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't find your putdown as deterministic as my swatter hth < 1473296213 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh < 1473296237 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I don't think CS has a concept of /how/ deterministic something is; only whether or not it is < 1473296259 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently Bobby Fischer was an anti-semitic asshole (also a holocaust denier) < 1473296263 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shocking < 1473296333 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the CS thing, that is. the other i'm ignoring. < 1473296493 0 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1473296494 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think he was... he said he agreed with Nietzsche that "religion is just to dull the senses of the people"... and yet he published "My 60 Memorable Games" because he thought the rapture was coming soon and figured he'd make some cash first < 1473296543 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :one day soon, deep learning will allow us to say /ignore hppavilion[1] when he brings up ancient crap < 1473296553 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure < 1473296572 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is what happens when I read wikipedia < 1473296579 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :About real-world stuff < 1473296586 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"We only ship to Worldwide." -- perfect Engrish grammar < 1473296589 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :your addiction to bringing up crap indicates deeper < 1473296589 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : issues, and that you're a broken human being worth less < 1473296589 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : than fertilizer < 1473296594 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :dammit irssi < 1473296675 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have paste_detect_time = 100msecs and that's somehow not enough. < 1473296681 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: You can only get their stuff in Worldwide, Massachippissippi hth. < 1473296707 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION increases to 200 < 1473296752 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...wait, what? < 1473296755 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I see < 1473296758 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1473296778 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I needed a joke and that was the best I could come up with. < 1473296926 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was going to bring up Usa, Japan but wikipedia crushed my childhood again https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usa,_%C5%8Cita#Product_labeling < 1473296977 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mm, snopes < 1473297065 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(wait, does this count as ancient crap, argh) < 1473297100 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done. I've ordered a mechanical keyboard. < 1473297115 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU CANNOT DOWNLOAD A KEYBOARD, SILLY < 1473297144 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not downloading it. It will get here the slow way, on legs. < 1473297160 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Takes some time because it has to go around the globe, and not even in a straight line. < 1473297186 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Can't withstand the pressures deep inside Earth.) < 1473297205 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :do the legs at least not have to swim < 1473297229 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I think it can take a ship or something < 1473297240 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's cheating! < 1473297268 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not if it's only a small part of the route, I think. < 1473297316 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But maybe it doesn't even need a ship, and can come through all land the long way. < 1473297326 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really know. < 1473297353 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Ha! < 1473297383 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: Was it made in USA? < 1473297424 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: I don't think so. It's shipping from Hong Kong, and probably made there. < 1473297432 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not really sure where these things are made really. < 1473297629 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :TIL "Philippines" is spelled with a 'ph' and "Filipino" is spelled with an 'f' < 1473297632 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :WTF < 1473297752 0 :sirnaysayer!~naysayer@104.244.72.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they speak Tagalog < 1473297757 0 :sirnaysayer!~naysayer@104.244.72.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Cebuano < 1473297927 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: well in norwegian, they're both spelled with F hth < 1473297946 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: PLEASE LET ME JOIN YOU < 1473298011 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: you'll probably need a work permit for that hth < 1473298029 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, probably < 1473298030 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or possibly, you could find a norwegian to marry. < 1473298079 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suspect you're unlikely to be granted political asylym, anyway. < 1473298291 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most likely scenario is a Trump presidency, which in the event of I'm genuinely considering leaving the country < 1473298301 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even though it makes me a walking cliche < 1473298553 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :even with a trump presidency, political asylum may not be automatic hth < 1473298621 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hpp: leave to where? < 1473298636 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Well yeah, it wouldn't < 1473298650 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Norway wasn't high on the list of destinations < 1473298653 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: Not sure yet < 1473298659 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :WAT < 1473298667 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: It's not top 5 < 1473298668 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOW DARE YOU NOT BUT NORWAY FIRST < 1473298692 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*PUT < 1473298714 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: It's a great country, but it isn't primarily english-speaking < 1473298717 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(AFAIK) < 1473298723 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Norway is nice, I visited in August < 1473298739 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hpp: what? Norway is as good as English speaking. most people there speak English, you can get by with English. < 1473298754 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and besides, if you already know English, then Norwegian isn't that hard to learn < 1473298754 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: Oh? < 1473298755 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :my roommate and I are experimentingn with canadian banking regulations < 1473298769 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote him my rent cheque on the inside flap of a macaroni carton in sharpie < 1473298796 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :alercah: Are the Canadian bank rules that you don't have to write cheques on the official paper? < 1473298800 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: did you really remain the only Norwegian regular in the channel? < 1473298809 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And does this extend to checks as well?) < 1473298839 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: there was another recently, but e hasn't been active enough for me to remember who it was... < 1473298850 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...wtf is 'finnmark < 1473298852 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :' < 1473298854 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe e left again < 1473298870 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: it's our northernmost county (excluding svalbard) < 1473298880 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, it's Finland+Denmark... but it's in Norway... < 1473298883 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :.oO( minpoijjikop isn't a regular ) < 1473298900 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Where's Trønnes? < 1473298914 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's a town, from what I've been told) < 1473298935 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: funny, we also had an episode in the channel a few years ago when someone found out about the name Finnmark (possibly from me) and was amazed by it < 1473298946 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh < 1473298950 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: never heard of that town < 1473298960 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I'm stuck in a CTlL? < 1473298989 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's in Hedmark, in the south of the country. < 1473298992 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, apparently Finnmark is a county within Norway < 1473299000 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: yes, as I understand them, you can write a cheque on anything so long as it contains the requisite information < 1473299001 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: I SAID THAT < 1473299021 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it also might not be big enough that anybody knows, the same way I've never heard of Arnold, Nebraska) < 1473299028 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, you did, sorry < 1473299047 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hpp: or maybe it's so far to the north that nobody goes there < 1473299185 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, Google Maps only knows about one in... Meraker? I assume that's a Norwegian county? < 1473299217 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be nice to know for me too which places within Europe are good for living and working in case I want to leave. < 1473299227 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I don't know much about that. < 1473299230 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: btw the Finn in Finnmark is the same word as Fin in Finland. afaik (1) there may be some finnish-norwegians ("kvener") there (2) people probably didn't consider the distinction between Finnish and Sami that important back then < 1473299251 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1473299298 0 :Moonythedwarf!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1473299369 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: btw Trønnes is a "grend", which is very small, so more a village than a town. < 1473299382 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1473299446 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not really sure where any of the boundaries are... in my mind, village/town and town/city are interchangeable, and at the same time "city" can describe pretty much anything) < 1473299488 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: Meråker is a municipality. it's part of Nord-Trøndelag county. < 1473299514 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok... < 1473299534 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is fnord in Nord, or vice versa? /s < 1473299569 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw the Trønnes i found (on norwegian wikipedia) is not there. it apparently has the distinction of being the first place in norway to get a home for the elderly. < 1473299582 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK... < 1473299613 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hpp: Norway has fjords, not fnords < 1473299622 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've seen them < 1473299627 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't seen any fnords < 1473299632 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: I was under the impression a fnord is a co-fjord < 1473299640 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well no one expects you to see the fnords < 1473299643 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My browser abbreviates titles when I have too many tabs, and it abbreviated "Grandmaster (chess) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia" to "Grandma". I can't complain. < 1473299651 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OOOOOOOH < 1473299661 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How deep does afnordnia typically go? < 1473299682 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, do you like Norway? < 1473299682 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: guile was covered a few minutes < 1473299684 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know, never heard of ania before. < 1473299726 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Will your brain rearrange things to fill in the gap (so if you have a page where a different word on each line, and one of the words is "fnord", will you see a blank line or will all the later words move down?) < 1473299731 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/down/up/ < 1473299734 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: i think that according to some, a city needs to contain a cathedral hth < 1473299742 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That works, I suppose < 1473299745 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's bigger than a city? < 1473299752 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, Trønnes in Hedmark has only about 100 families < 1473299760 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hpp: a metropolis < 1473299770 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1473299784 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And above that? < 1473299788 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably a megalopolis < 1473299792 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then a gigalopolis < 1473299806 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Can we define a gigalopolis as 1000000000 or more individuals?) < 1473299808 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hpp: or a city-planet like Corouscant or Trantor or Ravnica < 1473299814 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps < 1473299830 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1473299921 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So anyway, keyboard is ordered, but I'll also have to buy a new computer. I'll have to choose a motherboard and stuff. < 1473299940 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :then there's dyson spheres, i guess < 1473299989 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and beyond that it seems a bit hard to get a continuous city. well, not that it's easy with a dyson sphere, i think those aren't actually realistically solid? < 1473300008 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a ringworld, maybe. < 1473300027 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Trantor isn't realistic either < 1473300028 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(just need to invent scrith[sp] first) < 1473300088 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1473300089 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tas//TAS is a tool-assisted speedrun: a race in which participants must use quality tools such as the PHP hammer, Autoconf, and the Arkenpliers to assist them in running. < 1473300127 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :gigalo- is a little scow. you're basically taking the greek prefix megalo- (from which mega- comes), and pretending it contains a mega- prefix. < 1473300168 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :giganto- would be more parallel. < 1473300189 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the next terato-, hm < 1473300206 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1473300234 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and from there i'm not sure they come from genuine greek. < 1473300306 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm actually it does, but not in a useful way, peta- is from penta- < 1473300421 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cwlprits tas < 1473300423 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan oerjan < 1473300427 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1473300449 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is that possible. < 1473300456 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`dowg tas < 1473300458 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2016-05-07 ` sed -i \'s/A //\' wisdom/tas \ 2016-05-07 ` mv wisdom/ta{,s}; sed -i \'s/^/A /\' wisdom/tas < 1473300463 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1473300472 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cwlprits ta < 1473300474 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan coppro < 1473300489 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`dowg ta < 1473300490 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2016-05-07 ` mv wisdom/ta{,s}; sed -i \'s/^/A /\' wisdom/tas \ 2016-05-06 learn TAS is a tool-assisted speedrun: a race in which participants must use quality tools such as the PHP hammer, Autoconf, and the Arkenpliers to assist them in running. < 1473300503 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it really didn't seem like my style :P < 1473300546 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? tanebventions < 1473300546 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tanebventions include automatic squirrel feeders, necessity, Go, Windows 98, submarine jousting, Fueue, the universe, metar, weetoflakes, Tanebventions, persistence, the BBC, progress, and this sentence. See also tanebventions: math. He never invents anything involving sex. < 1473300550 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? tanebventions: math < 1473300552 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathematical tanebventions include D-modules, Chu spaces, the torus, Stephen Wolfram, Klein bottles, the axiom of choice, the reals, Lambek's lemma, pointless topology, and histograms. < 1473300578 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION gives shachaf a dowg snack < 1473300579 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? inconceivable < 1473300580 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :inconceivable? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1473300583 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? impossibl < 1473300584 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :impossibl? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1473300584 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? impossible < 1473300585 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :impossible? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1473300643 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? hoag < 1473300644 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hoag? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1473300668 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: No, I took mega- from megalopolis and replaced it with giga- (because metric) < 1473300678 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: that's what i said < 1473300687 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that is scow < 1473300687 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And? < 1473300693 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I see < 1473300858 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? mk < 1473300859 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mk? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1473300862 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? mkx < 1473300863 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mkx? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1473300872 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? le/rn < 1473300873 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :le/rn makes creating wisdom entries manually a thing of the past. < 1473300906 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? culprits < 1473300907 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​`culprits` is a program that lists the lists the nicks responsible for a wisdom entry. Usage: `culprits wisdom/ENTRY < 1473300917 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: It could also be terastiopolis < 1473300931 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slwd culprits//s/the lists // < 1473300932 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rosebud! < 1473300949 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slwd culprit//s/the lists // < 1473300951 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom/culprit//`culprits` is a program that lists the nicks responsible for a wisdom entry. Usage: `culprits wisdom/ENTRY < 1473300974 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` mv wisdom/culprit{,s} < 1473300975 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(megalo = μεγάλο = terástios = large, terastio = < 1473300975 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :τεράστιος = terástios = huge) < 1473300977 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1473301002 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: terato- is somewhat different. hm. < 1473301042 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, I did something wrong... < 1473301086 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ha! < 1473301092 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wiktionary includes "ginormous" < 1473301110 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it's a very cromulent word. < 1473301144 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I think a lot of people don't like it < 1473301166 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY < 1473301194 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but it says comparative is "more ginormous" and superlative is "most ginormous", when it would correctly be "ginormouser" and "ginormousest") < 1473301199 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tought it was spelled gynormous < 1473301201 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: no, I think terato is right. I think it's greek for monster-like, and related to the same word the metric prefix tera comes from < 1473301234 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: No, that's a domain-specific thing used by OB/GYNs < 1473301275 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also, why doesn't English include the opposite of -er and -est for "more" and "most"? Something to say "less" and "least"?) < 1473301284 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It MUST have historically at some point...) < 1473301355 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : What's "mg"? <-- velarized m, maybe? < 1473301367 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would think so < 1473301398 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, n can also be velarized, which seems confusing. < 1473301401 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I don't think a velarized m makes sense < 1473301422 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, IPA uses a ɱ < 1473301490 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hpp: ɱ in IPA is not a velarized m < 1473301498 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: oh, because m doesn't use the tongue to start with? but m can be palatalized... < 1473301508 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: Yeah, that's the problem < 1473301531 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it looks like English n is the alveolar nasal < 1473301540 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not really good at distinguish velarization for anything but l, anyway. < 1473301558 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hpp: [ɱ] in IPA is the the nasal stop version articulated at the same place as f, which you get from some speakers when they pronounce nf or mf < 1473301566 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(God sounds are fun) < 1473301570 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And ŋ is the velar nasal < 1473301582 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So if m is the labiodental nasal... < 1473301598 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hpp: no, it's not < 1473301608 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ɱ] is the labiodental nasal < 1473301610 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, no it isn't < 1473301611 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right < 1473301614 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got my tabs confused < 1473301618 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: most likely terastios is also related to the same word, so... < 1473301624 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If m is the bilabial nasal < 1473301639 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :called "labiodental" because it's made with your upper teeth pressed to your lower lips, and "labio" means lips and "dent" means teeth < 1473301647 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1473301650 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm figuring it out < 1473301650 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the names there actually make sense < 1473301660 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, they do < 1473301687 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :'m' is the bilabial nasal because your lips are pushed together (in the exaggerated version you're taught in preschool) < 1473301691 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, y'know, it's nasal < 1473301695 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: long words in english don't usually take -er and -est comparatives. hth. < 1473301719 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@ppp-115-87-126-243.revip4.asianet.co.th QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1473301725 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :these are easy to understand because they ([m], [f], [T]) are the three common places of articulation that you can actually see easily from lip-reading ([m] only when not at the start of a word) < 1473301727 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: English is my L1. I think I know the rules. hth. < 1473301736 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then... I have no idea what the equivalent of ng is for m < 1473301745 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other stuff is in your mouth, so you like need X-ray to understand them < 1473301755 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-ray has been done of course, but it's not something you see every day < 1473301765 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: Or a mouth < 1473301774 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : (It MUST have historically at some point...) <-- well norwegian doesn't, and i don't remember any indoeuropean language i've seen doing so. < 1473301779 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hpp: a what? < 1473301792 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: A mou... you're messing with me < 1473301801 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean < 1473301804 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what with a mouth? < 1473301812 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: You need x-ray OR a mouth < 1473301838 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can understand stuff without x-ray if you just pay attention to your mouth < 1473301916 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah < 1473301951 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: hppavilion[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_phonology#Consonants has velarized mˠ < 1473302053 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ok < 1473302173 0 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was reading about velarised m recently because it finally answered my long-running mystery of why mh is pronounced /v/ some of the time and /w/ others < 1473302298 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1473302303 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh irish distinguishes nʲ and ɲ < 1473302341 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait... < 1473302356 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't see the difference between the m in 'symphony' and the m in 'rum' < 1473302385 0 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :your teeth touch your lips in the former < 1473302397 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: OH! < 1473302400 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh < 1473302406 0 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends a bit on dialect and personal variation i guess < 1473302433 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also, I was discussing that there's apparently a difference with my mother. She asked why there were labia in my nose. I had to explain the root to her.) < 1473302574 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also distinguishes n̪ˠ from ŋ < 1473302702 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: oh so the mh in your name is pronounced like w? < 1473302705 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well I just tried to velarize m... < 1473302708 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's horrifying < 1473302715 0 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, no it's silent < 1473302792 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1473302933 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, omh refers to another table < 1473303018 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@ppp-115-87-126-243.revip4.asianet.co.th JOIN :#esoteric < 1473303089 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a name for the velarized m? "velar bilabial nasal" didn't turn up anything < 1473303095 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :iiuc it lengthens the o < 1473303113 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: velar and velarized are not the same thing < 1473303156 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...oh? < 1473303160 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :WTF IPA < 1473303161 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :WTF < 1473303175 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, i don't think wikipedia has articles for all combinations with velarized... it's an adjustment you can apply to many consonants. < 1473303185 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :see the velarization article < 1473303197 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1473303214 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: velar is primary articulation, but velarized means a secondary articulation in _addition_ to the primary one. < 1473303241 0 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1473303243 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :same for palatal and palatalized < 1473303301 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also, is there any relation between n and h, or is it just similar symbols?) < 1473303314 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(looks like no relation.) < 1473303344 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're presumably both inherited from the phoenician alphabet < 1473303365 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But no relation in sounds? < 1473303449 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :n from Nun. apparently it descends from the egyptian symbol for snake, "djet", and was used for a sound like english J there < 1473303491 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N) < 1473303528 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :h from Heth, via greek Heta before that lost the H < 1473303557 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see, that explains why eta looks like H < 1473303561 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@ppp-115-87-126-243.revip4.asianet.co.th QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1473303581 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The original Semitic letter Heth most likely represented the voiceless pharyngeal fricative (ħ). The form of the letter probably stood for a fence or posts." < 1473303589 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, those articles say more. < 1473303708 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: anyway, n is pretty far from h in sound, and always has been. < 1473303724 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1473303768 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :unlike U,V,W and Y, which all descend from the same letter hth < 1473303846 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and apparently F too < 1473303959 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :first greek adapted F into a vowel Y, then latin got F with the original sound, borrowed greek Y as V, then borrowed it _again_ as Y, and then created U to distinguish when V was a vowel. < 1473303997 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: ſ looks too much like it's supposed to be esh < 1473304003 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ʃ) < 1473304013 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or Ʃ if using uppercase) < 1473304016 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then someone created W from V, i guess. < 1473304286 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually greek had both F and Y, but lost the w sound that the former represented. < 1473304307 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F#History < 1473304446 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just looking for something similar to k, but without the sudden stop < 1473304460 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I wound up in Germany with the voiceless velar fricative < 1473304468 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH MY GOD I LOVE PHONETICS SO MUCH < 1473304548 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ach du lieber fonetik < 1473304589 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn < 1473304600 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ach du libe phonetik < 1473304607 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh argh < 1473304622 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Ach du liebe Phonetik < 1473304633 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now food -> < 1473305204 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION . o O ( Is there a letter that completes n:m::h:_? I can't find any such thing, but it'd be fun to mess with people with ) < 1473305992 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1473306273 0 :Moonythedwarf!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf JOIN :#esoteric < 1473306544 0 :Moonythedwarf!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1473306837 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1473308225 0 :Kaynato!~Aedile@cpe-174-100-169-144.neo.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1473310068 0 :Melvar`!~melvar@dslb-178-012-189-009.178.012.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1473310160 0 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-088-078-251-116.088.078.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1473310192 0 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-078-251-116.088.078.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1473311232 0 :Kaynato!~Aedile@cpe-174-100-169-144.neo.res.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1473311647 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like wikipedia is celebrating Star Trek's 50th anniversary < 1473312142 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1473312399 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1473312459 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Quit: Jafet < 1473312732 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1473312768 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1473313078 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1473314368 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1473314516 0 :Cale!~cale@CPEc8d3a35c2cdd-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: k < 1473314529 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1473314560 0 :Cale!~cale@CPEc8d3a35c2cdd-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mathematical convention :) < 1473314585 0 :Cale!~cale@CPEc8d3a35c2cdd-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just as n and m get used as variables of a similar sort, h and k sometimes do as well < 1473314620 0 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1473314643 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cale: i think he meant visually < 1473314669 0 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1473314736 0 :Cale!~cale@CPEc8d3a35c2cdd-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So like ɰ rotated 180 degrees < 1473314746 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1473314760 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ɰ < 1473314761 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+0270 LATIN SMALL LETTER TURNED M WITH LONG LEG] < 1473314773 0 :carado!~carado@2a01:e34:ec1e:2390:8341:b3f5:2d6:41fa JOIN :#esoteric < 1473314782 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode M WITH < 1473314784 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+0270 LATIN SMALL LETTER TURNED M WITH LONG LEG \ UTF-8: c9 b0 UTF-16BE: 0270 Decimal: ɰ \ ɰ \ Category: Ll (Letter, Lowercase) \ Bidi: L (Left-to-Right) \ \ U+0271 LATIN SMALL LETTER M WITH HOOK \ UTF-8: c9 b1 UTF-16BE: 0271 Decimal: ɱ \ ɱ (Ɱ) \ Uppercase: U+2C6E \ Category: Ll (Letter, Lowercase) \ Bidi: L (Left-to-Right) \ \ < 1473314803 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode M WITH | grep 'M WITH' < 1473314805 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+0270 LATIN SMALL LETTER TURNED M WITH LONG LEG \ UTF-8: c9 b0 UTF-16BE: 0270 Decimal: ɰ \ ɰ \ Category: Ll (Letter, Lowercase) \ Bidi: L (Left-to-Right) \ \ U+0271 LATIN SMALL LETTER M WITH HOOK \ UTF-8: c9 b1 UTF-16BE: 0271 Decimal: ɱ \ ɱ (Ɱ) \ Uppercase: U+2C6E \ Category: Ll (Letter, Lowercase) \ Bidi: L (Left-to-Right) \ \ < 1473314812 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` unicode M WITH | grep 'M WITH' < 1473314813 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1473314827 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` unicode 'M WITH' | grep 'M WITH' < 1473314829 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+0270 LATIN SMALL LETTER TURNED M WITH LONG LEG \ U+0271 LATIN SMALL LETTER M WITH HOOK \ U+04CD CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER EM WITH TAIL \ U+04CE CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER EM WITH TAIL \ U+0616 ARABIC SMALL HIGH LIGATURE ALEF WITH LAM WITH YEH \ U+06B5 ARABIC LETTER LAM WITH SMALL V \ U+06B6 ARABIC LETTER LAM WITH DOT ABOVE \ U+06B7 ARABIC LETTER LAM WIT < 1473314847 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` unicode 'M WITH' | grep ' M WITH' < 1473314848 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+0270 LATIN SMALL LETTER TURNED M WITH LONG LEG \ U+0271 LATIN SMALL LETTER M WITH HOOK < 1473314853 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmph < 1473315712 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1473316089 0 :Robdgreat!~rob@unaffiliated/robdgreat PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes, now I remember why I ignored HackEgo < 1473316183 0 :Robdgreat!~rob@unaffiliated/robdgreat PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorted < 1473317043 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1473317058 0 :Robdgreat!~rob@unaffiliated/robdgreat PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only ignored the unicode messages < 1473317062 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1473317078 0 :Robdgreat!~rob@unaffiliated/robdgreat PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd miss 98% of the stuff in the channel once again if I ignored it totally again < 1473317109 0 :Robdgreat!~rob@unaffiliated/robdgreat PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to pick a couple acoustic tunes for open mic tonight < 1473318095 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1473318691 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION . o O ( I should learn drug chemistry... ) < 1473318836 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, apparently part of the reason anime looks the way it is is that- when it was done with cel animation- it was produced in literally the stupidest way possible < 1473318853 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The animation is done first, then the voice actors try to sync with the movement < 1473318866 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rather than taking the soundtrack and making it look like the characters are talking from there < 1473319874 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1473320190 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to release a (CGI) film branded "4D" < 1473320218 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :By which I mean we used math to render the entire movie in 4D (and projected down to 3D then to 2D for screen viewing) < 1473320225 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such as to give the audience headaches < 1473321126 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@ppp-115-87-126-243.revip4.asianet.co.th JOIN :#esoteric < 1473321884 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@ppp-115-87-126-243.revip4.asianet.co.th QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1473322212 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1473322226 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@ppp-115-87-126-243.revip4.asianet.co.th JOIN :#esoteric < 1473324193 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1473324815 0 :augur!~augur@2601:640:8001:4222:6cc1:7ef9:209c:d2dc JOIN :#esoteric < 1473325173 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-2hj4tbos9tbg8er2ydh57cmqd.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1473326233 0 :augur!~augur@2601:640:8001:4222:6cc1:7ef9:209c:d2dc QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1473326394 0 :augur!~augur@c-67-160-198-240.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1473326416 0 :rntz!~rntz@96.95.216.165 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1473327547 0 :rntz!~rntz@96.95.216.165 JOIN :#esoteric < 1473329455 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1473329713 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1473333373 0 :Melvar`!?@? NICK :Melvar < 1473333715 0 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@194.108.5.201 QUIT :Quit: *bubbles away* < 1473334400 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1473337423 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1473337547 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1473337716 0 :augur!~augur@c-67-160-198-240.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1473338156 0 :augur!~augur@2601:640:8001:4222:b5e7:f573:25ad:ff4d JOIN :#esoteric < 1473338670 0 :gniourf!~gniourf@pdm-l03.insa-lyon.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1473339692 0 :augur!~augur@2601:640:8001:4222:b5e7:f573:25ad:ff4d QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1473339700 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1473345380 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 JOIN :#esoteric < 1473345389 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh man, they REALLY made this stuff watertight. < 1473345440 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So if I buy stuff on PayPal, then I must pay PayPal's currency conversion fees, which are way higher than the currency conversion I can get from my bank. But there's no way to actually use the cheaper fees at the bank: < 1473345574 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can transfer money from my bank to PayPal, but if I transfer anything but HUF, then I have to pay the international bank transfer fee, even if I'm transferring from my domestic foreign currency account to Paypal's domestic account, and that fee has a high fixed minimum regardless the amount. < 1473345593 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup < 1473345607 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :for a while I maintained a USD credit card for that exact reason < 1473345620 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :but nowadays I don't buy through paypal often enough for it to matter < 1473345668 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or I can pay from a bank card with PayPal, but then they charge the card in the native currency of the bank card, and I can't cheaply have extra bank cards in multiple currencies, even though I totally can have _accounts_ in those currencies, for the extra cards are either inpossible or have a high monthlyfee. < 1473345733 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could save on the costs only if I transferred a large amount of money to PayPal at a single time, but for that I'd have to predict the currency I'm going to buy stuff on PayPal, and that's quite unpredictable: < 1473345746 0 :Cale!~cale@CPEc8d3a35c2cdd-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, all my income goes through PayPal right now, and that conversion business is kind of annoying. < 1473345761 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :People sell things on PayPal in USD or CAD (from Asia or America) and in GBP or EUR (from Europe). < 1473345812 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1473345827 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can try to change to another bank for this, for if another bank gives better conditions, I could transfer, though it could be a bit of a hassle. < 1473345838 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll have to go ask other banks. < 1473345871 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1473345904 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I don't buy expensive stuff in PayPal, only cheap stuff. < 1473346119 0 :Kaynato!~Aedile@casewireless03.CWRU.Edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1473346166 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cale, you aren't a face I see in here often < 1473346201 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which, to be fair, might be because I don't pay attention very much < 1473346241 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :or because you don't see faces on irc < 1473346286 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera, well, *you* don't < 1473346299 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :what kind of irc are you using? < 1473346330 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :long ago i used kvirc and it had some protocol for avatars < 1473346371 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alternatively, you could try having a really vivid imagination < 1473346381 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't even d&d < 1473346465 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and the extra problem is, I'm not even sure I can actually transfer currencies other than HUF to PayPal. They only give a single bank account number for transfer, and I'm not sure it's possible for a single account number to receive multiple currencies. I called their customer support, < 1473346497 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the lady said I probably can transfer other currencies, but she's not sure, and I should try. And to try, I have to pay the expensive bank transfer fee regardless the amount. < 1473346596 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, calling their customer support on phone is an international call, which also costs a shitton. < 1473346607 0 :Cale!~cale@CPEc8d3a35c2cdd-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: shachaf told me to join when I wrote https://hackage.haskell.org/package/category-printf and I just stuck around, but haven't had much occasion to say a whole lot < 1473346630 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cale, ooh, I hadn't seen thtat! < 1473346726 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So if you guys have a plan for world domination that seems better than mine and has the side effect of getting rid of this riddiculous "country" and "international" stuff, drop me a line and I might consider supporting you. < 1473346750 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I've had enough of this stupid politics, and maybe an evil dictator ruling with an iron fist could be better. < 1473346793 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1473346908 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cale, my current "esoteric" project is a property testing library called OneCheck < 1473346942 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It tests each property with arbitrary input! One arbitrary input, for speed concerns < 1473346981 0 :Kaynato!~Aedile@casewireless03.CWRU.Edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1473347073 0 :Cale!~cale@CPEc8d3a35c2cdd-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1473347099 0 :Cale!~cale@CPEc8d3a35c2cdd-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could take advantage of Data.Default < 1473347104 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So like QuickCheck but quicker? < 1473347126 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cale, I'm going more arbitrary than that < 1473347140 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/Taneb/acme-onecheck/blob/master/src/Test/OneCheck.hs < 1473347153 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Today's QC is more gratuitous speculation about how to have sex with robots. ...I guess that's fine, now the name of the comic finally makes sense. < 1473347327 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1473348333 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1473348651 0 :contrapumpkin!?@? NICK :copumpkin < 1473349444 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1473350122 0 :MoALTz!~no@78-11-247-26.static.ip.netia.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1473351128 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most niche data structre I invented then forgot about: the two in one tree heap < 1473351146 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :A key-key-value thingy that's search tree-ordered on one key and heap-ordered on the other < 1473351220 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, do you specify 2 keys to get a value, < 1473351224 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or you specify one of the two? < 1473351228 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The latter < 1473351305 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to get the worst onetime whenever possible? < 1473351342 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname, assuming the keys aren't correlated, the time complexities aren't too bad < 1473352786 0 :Kaynato!~Aedile@casewireless09.CWRU.Edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1473353973 0 :Kaynato!~Aedile@casewireless09.CWRU.Edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1473354571 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: implement it! < 1473354599 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\, I'm implementing it right now < 1473354626 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1473354723 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, you know how heapsort makes a heap in an array using power of two offsets... Maybe there should be something like qsort() and bsearch() that uses a heap search < 1473355034 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: what is the advantage? so that you don't have to maintain 2 data structures with the same data? < 1473355042 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :(e.g. memory efficiency) < 1473355054 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, I'm not sure there is one < 1473355165 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know a data structure that doesnt exist but should < 1473355202 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh? < 1473355207 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :an insertion-ordered CompletionRecordDAWG < 1473355239 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Directed Acyclic Wiggly Graph? < 1473355262 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :a DAWG is a DAFSA < 1473355272 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :directed acyclic word graph < 1473355277 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaaaaah < 1473355347 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :this would be a dictionary that maps string keys to ... whatever, but also can give you a list of keys that are prefixes of any string and tell you which key comes before and after a given key in insertion order < 1473357034 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@ppp-115-87-126-243.revip4.asianet.co.th QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1473357277 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1473359304 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1473359988 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1473360238 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm no expert, but I'm not sure that this test suite I wrote should start swapping < 1473361232 0 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-178-012-189-009.178.012.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1473361401 0 :Kaynato!~Aedile@casewireless03.CWRU.Edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1473361468 0 :Reece`!~Ner@cpc4-wiga13-2-0-cust799.18-3.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1473362832 0 :Caesura!~Aedile@casewireless03.CWRU.Edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1473362977 0 :Kaynato!~Aedile@casewireless03.CWRU.Edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1473363048 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is JOIN :#esoteric < 1473363190 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-88.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1473363597 0 :Caesura!~Aedile@casewireless03.CWRU.Edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1473365074 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-88.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1473365564 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-88.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1473366123 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-88.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1473366656 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1473366849 0 :Reece`!~Ner@cpc4-wiga13-2-0-cust799.18-3.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1473367784 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-88.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1473367824 0 :mellifluous!~frait@87.18.7.17 JOIN :#esoteric < 1473367830 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-88.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION . o O ( Can one use non-euclidean geometry when drawing perspective to get OH MY GOD WHAT THE HELL drawings? ) < 1473367882 0 :mellifluous!~frait@87.18.7.17 QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1473368017 0 :mellifluous!~frait@87.18.7.17 JOIN :#esoteric < 1473368025 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: Imagine a hollow cube, with inset openings on each face. Now imagine that each opening went to a different place. < 1473368035 0 :augur!~augur@c-67-160-198-240.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1473368037 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if that would actually scare someone... < 1473368044 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-88.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1473368070 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Non-euclidean geometry is overrated. < 1473368111 0 :mellifluous!~frait@87.18.7.17 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1473368122 0 :lorenzo64!~frait@87.18.7.17 JOIN :#esoteric < 1473368253 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-88.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1473368738 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1473368805 0 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@194.108.5.201 JOIN :#esoteric < 1473368965 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1473369029 0 :carado!~carado@2a01:e34:ec1e:2390:8341:b3f5:2d6:41fa QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1473370503 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-88.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1473371090 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1473371397 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1473371842 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1473371844 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ring//Addition, subtraction and multiplication have a certain ring to them. < 1473371854 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1473371855 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1473371855 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1473371855 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1473371856 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :locale//Locales are just frames, which are just complete Heyting algebras. Taneb accidentally invented them by asking about lattices. The only locale available in #esoteric is en_NZ.UTF-8. < 1473371857 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wumpus//Wumpus the Hunted is an early 70s action game in which the Wumpus is trapped in a dodecahedral labyrinth where it's chased by bats. It has to avoid traps and evade magical arrows that are guided by a nefarious AI. < 1473371857 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ghoti//"Ghoti" is a very fishy spelling. < 1473371857 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :szoup//A szoup a szilárd tápszereknek híg alakban való elkészítése a célból, hogy könnyebben emészthetők legyenek; a hígító anyag a viz, mely feloldja s magába veszi a tápanyag legértékesebb részeit. < 1473371888 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Is that true? You invented locales? < 1473371893 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Did you invent pointless topology? < 1473371939 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, locales I invented, but only locally < 1473371997 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I never really saw the point in topology < 1473371998 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Are you guilty of inventing frames? < 1473372010 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, someone set me up on that one < 1473372037 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? frame < 1473372038 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A frame is just a complete Heyting algebra. Frame homomorphisms don't preserve implication, if you know what I mean. < 1473372107 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like what you're implying there < 1473372217 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who? < 1473372638 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :HSTS is terrible but I can propose a better way: There is a menu that the user can set up arbitrary URI rewriting, and one option can set whether or not automatically adding rules is allowed (disabled by default). If automatically adding rules is allowed by the user setting, then the Strict-Transport-Security header can be used to automatically add/remove rules in this menu, except for rules which the user has locked. < 1473372738 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reporting of errors should not be done, and the user can always override the error; a setting may be provided to only enable the override after a specified number of milliseconds (something that Firefox does with download dialog boxes currently). < 1473372828 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The setting for HPKP should be separate, and if enabled, then when there is error the user should be given the options: "Bypass", "New Context", "Change Settings", "Edit HPKP Data", "View Report", "Send Report". < 1473373228 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1473373247 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure what the semantics of "insert" should be on a treap < 1473373337 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-2hj4tbos9tbg8er2ydh57cmqd.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in < 1473373402 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know? < 1473373428 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :suppose Jool just rose in the east. you're moving 175 m/s east, so toward Jool. on the other side of kerbin, jool is setting in the west, so the other ship will be moving at 175 m/s away from jool. hence, relative to a ship on the other side of Kerbin, you are moving at 350 m/s. < 1473373441 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoops, wrong channel < 1473373462 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, a treap is a purely functional data structure (I am writing this in Haskell) that is a binary tree that is heap ordered by one key and tree ordered by another < 1473373516 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not sure if insert should clobber other entries with the same tree-ordering key < 1473373528 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(by tree-ordered I mean ordered like a binary search tree) < 1473373556 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: I take it that the semimajor and inclanation of the two orbits are the same < 1473373685 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: at least for the purposes of mutual docking < 1473373695 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-88.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1473373729 0 :Moonythedwarf!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf JOIN :#esoteric < 1473374002 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-88.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1473374184 0 :augur!~augur@c-67-160-198-240.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1473374250 0 :MoALTz!~no@78-11-247-26.static.ip.netia.com.pl QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1473375132 0 :Caesura!~Aedile@cpe-174-100-169-144.neo.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1473376561 0 :_46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz JOIN :#esoteric < 1473376584 0 :_46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi! < 1473376615 0 :_46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric :qualifications to be here: I spent a day of work trying to command an FTP server to join IRC and talk in a channel < 1473376617 0 :Caesura!~Aedile@cpe-174-100-169-144.neo.res.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1473376620 0 :_46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1473376697 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.o < 1473376713 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :you wrote an irc client in ftp? < 1473376733 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :that... sounds weird < 1473376745 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :FTP is pretty weird. < 1473376748 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera, didn't you write a compiler in Bash < 1473376763 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes but it compiles brainfuck to bash < 1473376770 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :and does several optimizations < 1473376786 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that hard, optimizations aside < 1473376840 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still need to implement the fancy brainfuck optimization thingy I thought up to see if it actually works < 1473376850 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :do tell < 1473376912 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can use FTP from client C to transfer files from server A to server B without passing through C (and without collecting $200). < 1473376916 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mentioned it a while back, I think, basically stuff like [->+++>++>-<<] can be turned into b += a * 3; c += a * 2; d -= a; a = 0 < 1473376920 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1473376929 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then extending that to nested loops < 1473376953 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah mine does that but nesting isn't too trivial < 1473376967 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which in some circumstances become quadratics, etc < 1473377017 0 :_46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was sending commands to an FTP server that made it use an IRC server as a place to send the contents of a file to. < 1473377029 0 :_46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That's skipping a lot of detail, but I hope it condenses things enough.) < 1473377045 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you succeed, though? < 1473377063 0 :_46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sadly one server I tried requires replying to "PING a_new_value" with "PONG a_new_value" < 1473377071 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I've heard they do that. < 1473377086 0 :_46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't do that because I'd need to know a_new_value when constructing the payload to send to the FTP server. < 1473377104 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Makes sense, since that's exactly why they do that. < 1473377107 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think Freenode's does, though. < 1473377147 0 :_46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Freenode did something different. I couldn't figure out why I couldn't join channels here. < 1473377172 0 :_46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could set a nick, and see that freenode thought I was connected, but the FTP server couldn't actually join a channel. < 1473377182 0 :_46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whereas running it myself using netcat did work. < 1473377196 0 :_46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's something I hope Taneb might help me play with when he's back. < 1473377351 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is QUIT :Quit: Zarutian < 1473377361 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chrome is planning to deprecate HTTP/0.9 for somewhat similar cross-protocol confusion reasons. < 1473377872 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm < 1473377922 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does your nick sound vaguely familiar, _46bit... < 1473378008 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1473378012 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :#herbstluftwm < 1473378023 0 :_46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed! < 1473378034 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome _46bit < 1473378036 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​06_46bit: 13Welcome 04to 07the 08international 09hub 02for 06esoteric 13programming 04language 07design 08and 09deployment! 02For 06more 13information, 04check 07out 08our 09wiki: 02. 06(For 13the 04other 07kind 08of 09esoterica, 02try 06#esoteric 13on 04EFnet 07or 08DALnet.) < 1473378037 0 :_46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric :I must admit, I didn't get much further than very enjoying it < 1473378039 0 :_46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaah < 1473378044 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hehe < 1473378046 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1473378071 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :_46bit: Are you the person Taneb mentioned? < 1473378079 0 :_46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was doing some very complex cybersecurity teaching things all summer, and getting to know that too was more than I had mindspace for < 1473378085 0 :_46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb may have mentioned me. < 1473378097 0 :_46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric :however Taneb knows many more people than me. < 1473378110 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, _46bit was indeed the person I mentioned < 1473378113 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb is well-known around here. < 1473378113 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The one singular personb < 1473378116 0 :_46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric :this was actually a little unnerving: < 1473378117 0 :_46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.dropbox.com/s/2ci51ntp6cmfiei/Screenshot%202016-09-08%2023.40.50.png?dl=0 < 1473378121 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :As a Glaswegian inventor, I think? < 1473378130 0 :_46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric :lots of red and rainbows! < 1473378139 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome _46bit < 1473378140 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :_46bit: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: . (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.) < 1473378142 0 :_46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-) < 1473378163 0 :_46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh oh, I already thought the word "botloop" < 1473378168 0 :_46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION backs away from the keyboard < 1473378185 0 :_46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you see me poking around HackEgo, kindly kick me < 1473378188 0 :_46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1473378231 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are many bots here, and many botloops already achieved. < 1473378233 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :^prefixes < 1473378233 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEgo `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ?, thutubot +, metasepia ~, idris-bot ( , jconn ) , j-bot [ . < 1473378238 0 :_46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric :noted < 1473378244 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? tanebventions < 1473378245 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tanebventions include automatic squirrel feeders, necessity, Go, Windows 98, submarine jousting, Fueue, the universe, metar, weetoflakes, Tanebventions, persistence, the BBC, progress, and this sentence. See also tanebventions: math. He never invents anything involving sex. < 1473378269 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: You invented Tanebventions? I didn't know that. < 1473378322 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, where does it say that? < 1473378324 0 :_46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb invented Taneb < 1473378334 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: It's in the list. < 1473378362 0 :_46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am curious what Taneb mentioned about me. But that risks dropping Taneb in it, so to speak. < 1473378370 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf JOIN :#esoteric < 1473378442 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think he mentioned that you were using an FTP client to connect to an IRC server, for one. < 1473378446 0 :Moonythedwarf!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1473378455 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: do you know everyone < 1473378459 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1473378462 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly, no < 1473378467 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I heard you also know kline at least < 1473378478 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have met kline on at least two occasions < 1473378485 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps three! < 1473378490 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Do you know anyone you don't know? < 1473378501 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? metar < 1473378503 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :metar is a service that allows nerds to talk about the weather. < 1473378503 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know < 1473378520 0 :kline!~kline@freenode/staff/enucs.kline PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi hi < 1473378521 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slwd metar//s#that#Taneb invented &# < 1473378523 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom/metar//metar is a service Taneb invented that allows nerds to talk about the weather. < 1473378525 0 :kline!~kline@freenode/staff/enucs.kline PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, three, yes < 1473378542 0 :kline!~kline@freenode/staff/enucs.kline PRIVMSG #esoteric :twice with keir and once with GTMU < 1473378610 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I met kline even once. < 1473378623 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that's your fault for being in California < 1473378628 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neither did I, yet < 1473378629 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o < 1473378634 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly is in California? < 1473378637 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1473378653 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe FireFly ought to move to California. < 1473378654 0 :_46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-) < 1473378659 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a good excuse for not meeting kline. < 1473378666 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1473378673 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, it's concievable you've met _46bit though! < 1473378678 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'm more likely to meet kline than move to California, in the foreseeable future < 1473378698 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: How would that happen? < 1473378708 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :_46bit, explain! < 1473378749 0 :_46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric :I spent some time YCstartupping in Palo Alto back in 2012-13. < 1473378759 0 :_46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's what Taneb is referring to. < 1473378760 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aha. < 1473378766 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I lived in East Palo Alto at the time. < 1473378800 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is YCstartupping different from regular startupping? < 1473378812 0 :_46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, out by the marshes and things? < 1473378812 0 :kline!~kline@freenode/staff/enucs.kline PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1473378827 0 :_46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric :you get lots of egostroking and free stuff, for one < 1473378836 0 :_46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric :although free stuff has become more widely available since < 1473378837 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I ever heard about Dreamforge. < 1473378847 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I lived right on the border of PA and EPA. < 1473378853 0 :_46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear, I'm being researched. < 1473378880 0 :_46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric :I heard little about EPA other than that they have a lot of work to do near where I lived. < 1473378884 0 :_46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait. Wrong EPA. < 1473378884 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :_46bit, within half an hour of me joining this channel they guessed the small town I lived in < 1473378894 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I live in Berkeley now. < 1473378907 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can I get lots of egostroking and free stuff, please? < 1473378943 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? wegian < 1473378944 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A wegian is an equivalence class of #esoteric regulars. There are two main wegians, the Nor (from Finland) and the Glas (from Hexham). < 1473378947 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? hexham < 1473378948 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hexham es la ciudad mas importante de programación esotérico < 1473378957 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1473378973 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had mentioned a) it was in Northumberland, and b) it was raining heavily < 1473378987 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? northumberland < 1473378988 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Northumberland may be today a sparsely populated country... but SOON! THE NORTHUMBRAINS SHALL RISE! < 1473378994 0 :_46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess which settlement in the midwest I've visited? < 1473378998 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cwlprits northumberland < 1473379000 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan elliott Bike FreeFull Taneb < 1473379013 0 :_46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. is Jackson Hole even midwest? it's kinda west. < 1473379027 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :_46bit, I went to the midwest once! It was before I went to California < 1473379028 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was three < 1473379056 0 :_46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric :you went to the midwest three? < 1473379063 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Did you go to Minnesota? < 1473379069 0 :_46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that like the hateful eight but as children? < 1473379077 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, I am not sure, on account of being three < 1473379080 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's very possible, though < 1473379098 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, we did go to Montana, if that helps < 1473379138 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :_46bit: When will you be in California again? < 1473379147 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can deliver certain items to Taneb. < 1473379160 0 :_46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric :As soon as I graduat--oh no, Taneb is here, I can't tell y'all that < 1473379161 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, looking at a map, it's very unlikely I went to Minnesota < 1473379197 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1473379201 0 :_46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am considering options post-graduation. If H1Bs were easier to acquire I would most surely be coming over to Boston or California. < 1473379202 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Colorado, South Dakota, Montana, and Wyoming I think < 1473379206 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll be sure to convey that information to shachaf, looking at a map. < 1473379215 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about shachaf, looking at a computer? < 1473379224 0 :_46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was going to get an O1 before I parted ways with the startup, but that's not such an option now. < 1473379225 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: None of those seem very midwestern to me. < 1473379233 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :_46bit: Why not get an O-1 now? < 1473379240 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :US visas are scow. < 1473379247 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, the midwest is a lot further east than I thought < 1473379274 0 :_46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's west of the midwest? < 1473379281 0 :_46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, midwest includes chicago right? < 1473379281 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably the west < 1473379290 0 :_46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have Mountain Time < 1473379295 0 :_46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric :is mountain west of the midwest? < 1473379342 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently I saw the four headed president, trapped in the rock < 1473379344 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most things are west of the midwest. < 1473379348 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :President Rushmore < 1473379369 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :_46bit: California is pretty good. < 1473379378 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :_46bit: You could get a J-1 probably? < 1473379384 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you already had one. < 1473379392 0 :_46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a fascinating place as a slightly-uptight public-schooled Brit. < 1473379414 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"public-school" means the opposite in the UK and in the US, right? < 1473379416 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :_46bit, is that public school in the British sense or the American sense < 1473379423 0 :_46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might be able to J-1. I need to examine my options very carefully soon. < 1473379445 0 :_46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric :The US seems unlikely, and yet a few people seem at risk of launching a campaign to acquire me. < 1473379449 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1473379455 0 :_46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric :I already get photobooks of Cambridge, MA in the post. < 1473379461 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :_46bit: Maybe if you get your FTP IRC client working they'll give you an O-1 based on that accomplishment. < 1473379484 0 :_46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: if only the world works that way :D which, honestly, I think it does. < 1473379487 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to look to see where I'd like to do postgrad < 1473379493 0 :_46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: the UK sense < 1473379511 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: move to california with _46bit hth < 1473379606 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn _46bit is a slightly-uptight public-schooled Brit. Taneb invented him. < 1473379608 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned '_46bit': _46bit is a slightly-uptight public-schooled Brit. Taneb invented him. < 1473379712 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 JOIN :#esoteric < 1473379751 0 :_46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I predate Taneb < 1473379757 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Northumberland? Is that like a Numberwang? < 1473379758 0 :_46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric :not as far as y'all're concerned < 1473379761 0 :_46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1473379796 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You predate Taneb? < 1473379805 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb invented a lot of things that predated him < 1473379807 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that needs to go on the wall < 1473379812 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :_46bit: yes, many irc servers other than freenode require a pong to start your connection. sometimes they even send a NOTICE to you about it so you can PONG manually even if your irc client is stupid. < 1473379814 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't underestimate the power of inventions < 1473379817 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :or tanebventions < 1473379821 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, a lot of things predate Taneb < 1473379828 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? Go < 1473379829 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Go is a common irregular verbal game programming language invented by the Germanic Taneb tribes catching monsters in the strategic territories of East Asia. < 1473379830 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think most people in here except for maybe Phantom_Hoover predate Taneb < 1473379855 0 :_46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric :This seems a most charming place. < 1473379855 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1473379856 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually I have no idea how predatey most people in here are < 1473379862 0 :_46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric :With charming people. < 1473379867 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a curious place < 1473379868 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? wolfram < 1473379869 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stephen Wolfram is an esolanger with too much money and power. Taneb invented him. < 1473379910 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :spämmi! < 1473379922 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the usual nilfisk stuff) < 1473379926 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and I forgot AUD among the currencies. < 1473379939 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps _46bit is Taneb's natural predator. < 1473379957 0 :_46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: It's a pretty good idea. Freenode did not, but I'm convinced the system blocked my attempt some other way. I need to watch the traffic with wireshark or something to see what happened. < 1473379958 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, _46bit has had many opportunities to eat me and as far as I am aware has not yet < 1473379977 0 :_46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe every time I eat Taneb, a nested universe begins. < 1473379979 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :haven't we all < 1473379985 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? universe < 1473379986 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A universe is a poem in one stanza. < 1473380004 0 :_46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? prng < 1473380005 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :prng? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1473380009 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there's maybe four people in here I've met in person? < 1473380021 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :_46bit: did you use a generic nickname that's not registered on freenode? and did you make sure your USER and NICK lines (and any other optional lines you sent) were formed correctly? < 1473380026 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was in the same city as fizzie for a little bit last December but I don't think I saw him < 1473380043 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I'm heading to bed < 1473380044 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goodnight! < 1473380058 0 :_46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: I piped the exact same commands into netcat and it succeeded. < 1473380083 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :_46bit: hmm < 1473380094 0 :_46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's all sorts of reasons that isn't an identical test to abusing ProFTPD, of course. < 1473380107 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I've met at least four people here in person, not including myself. < 1473380134 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :_46bit: maybe the ftp middle host you used was banned, or their open proxy scanner automatically detects open ftp servers that are so dumb as to connect to them < 1473380156 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haha < 1473380168 0 :_46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was building a learnign exercise to be used in UK Computer Science courses. To demonstrate abusing services for scanning a private network, I reincarnated the FTP Bounce exploit into ProFTPD. http://www.ouah.org/ftpbounce.html < 1473380176 0 :_46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric :(If anyone's curious.) < 1473380186 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why 46 bits? < 1473380188 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 64-46 < 1473380190 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 18 < 1473380195 0 :_46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: Nope, it was all local, behind NAT. < 1473380222 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe the machine has the ftp server connected to an identd in such a way that the identd tells freenode not to believe anything the connection from ftp says. < 1473380223 0 :_46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure there's a reason but it seems I'll have to watch the network traffic to know what - too many possible variables. < 1473380262 0 :_46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric :46bit arose from me as a teenager needing an online handle I liked < 1473380266 0 :_46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric :and swapping 64bit around < 1473380277 0 :_46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric :and finding the resulting nick used nowhere < 1473380299 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, '46bit' is available < 1473380302 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you ought to group it < 1473380306 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's because it starts with a digit. < 1473380310 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohh < 1473380311 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good point < 1473380320 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: you can't change to nicks that start with a digit, you can only get them when the server sets one on you < 1473380334 0 :_46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric :it occasionally gets taken on super-populated communities, so I resort to 0x2Ebit in those cases < 1473380336 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which they do only for a nick collision when servers connect after a netsplit < 1473380356 0 :_46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: it's a shame, but the IRC RFC does specify no opening digit < 1473380360 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if it'd set an erroneous nickname even in that case < 1473380364 0 :_46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric :(someone in #cs-york checked for me) < 1473380376 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :_46bit: the IRC RFC specifies a lot of things that actual servers don't hold < 1473380381 0 :_46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric :hee, I know < 1473380394 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's been lots of changes and differences between networks < 1473380397 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and few documentation < 1473380402 0 :_46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe I found a place where I didn't need the underscore, but I'm much less willing to experiment < 1473380422 0 :_46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZNC and irssi have too many commands and things for me to want to fiddle < 1473380423 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so much that when I want to find out something about irc, the best way is usually to ask on #freenode, which has people who know more about it < 1473380431 0 :_46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-) < 1473380452 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, some things I can just try < 1473380506 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but some of my questions are untestable, because they concern unlikely scenarios, like ordering between multiple servers or behavior at netsplits < 1473380508 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, why the hell is there a "Woman's Grandmaster" FIDE title? < 1473380538 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, in athletics, gender-segregation makes some degree of sense because men are naturally better-equipped for athletic tasks because evolution < 1473380552 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But Chess is as far from athletic as you get, so why is there a woman's grandmaster title? < 1473380566 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hpp: tradition. chess had gender differences because people simply refused to teach high level chess to women < 1473380574 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah? < 1473380576 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :these days there's much less difference < 1473380581 0 :_46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could an AI be eligible for it? < 1473380588 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And worse, normal GM isn't gender restricted; WGM is only for women, AND it has a lower barrier of entry < 1473380600 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it's basically "we'll make this easier for you because you're a girl" < 1473380608 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is sexist to BOTH genders < 1473380623 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :_46bit: no, there's separate categories for chess by just computers and for chess by computer combined with humans. they're needed because humans are now much weaker in chess than computers. < 1473380738 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :istr Judith Polgar being one of the few women to be successful at the ordinary GM < 1473380764 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yeah, and she refused to take the WGM title too < 1473380768 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Judit Polgár < 1473380777 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(she had a policy of only playing in non-gender-segregated tournaments) < 1473380794 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :TIL titles stack in german < 1473380824 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i learned that quite a while ago, from irregular webcomic! < 1473380856 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(when colonel Haken tried to greet the eldest Jones properly) < 1473380913 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(of course that turned into an Overly Long Gag) < 1473380950 0 :Effilry!znc@freenode/staff/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1473380999 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly QUIT :Ping timeout: 615 seconds < 1473381024 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :bonjoerjan < 1473381028 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: wait, does copying Susan B. Anthony still work these days? < 1473381077 0 :_46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric :I consider this a most successful entry into #esoteric. < 1473381078 0 :_46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope I find more to talk about tomorrow. < 1473381080 0 :_46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-) < 1473381082 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't remember who that is < 1473381108 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susan_B._Anthony < 1473381109 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Hello, His Holy Eminence Brother Miss Doctor Reverend-Deacon Pastor-Priest Pope Cardinal Arch|+Bishop Sensei Saint Jones." < 1473381114 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :_46bit: you could find less, and idle harder < 1473381118 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The three-and-a-halfth" < 1473381121 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :an American < 1473381163 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the list of wikipedia references that Judit Polgár is the strongest female player of all time is ridiculously long :P < 1473381166 0 :_46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I tend to cull idle IRC channels. My irssi theme doesn't work so well with them. < 1473381189 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :_46bit: this is not an idle channel, with or without you < 1473381205 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :_46bit: nothing wrong with idling in an nonidle channel when you don't have anything to say < 1473381249 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`adieu _46bit < 1473381250 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: adieu: not found < 1473381251 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :scow < 1473381253 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :scow < 1473381257 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :scow < 1473381259 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1473381263 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you should implement that < 1473381270 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :my terminal had rendering issues < 1473381281 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: hehe, now I'm reminded to that stupid channel with a bot that kicks everyone if they're idle for 24 hours (that's also the channel that used to use a byte encoding, but they changed to utf-8 later, and I think stopped that stupid bot) < 1473381288 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :which i guess made it look like i really like charles schwab corporation < 1473381314 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It kept showing "schw" < 1473381335 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm...well it looked fine here < 1473381346 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1473381389 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[2]: actually it was "The Honourable Herr Schliemannian Chair Professor Doktor Doktor Jones, CBE, DCM, JP, FRS" hth < 1473381411 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Doctor Doctor? < 1473381421 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.irregularwebcomic.net/1347.html < 1473381442 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Is that what happens when you have 2 different doktorates?) < 1473381462 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bonsointopia < 1473381574 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, can we just call that one King James "King James III,V"? < 1473381595 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[2]: yep < 1473381601 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or III & I/II) < 1473381659 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: The one who was James I in England and James VI in Scotland < 1473381680 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Do we still have to 2-numbers royals named "James" after James 2-numbers?) < 1473381744 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hpp: he's got two doctorates, per http://www.irregularwebcomic.net/1323.html , but I think the usual real-life way to get "Doctor" twice in your name is to be a women, get a doctorate, marry a men who has a doctorate, and take his name. < 1473381745 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[2]: you know that some people think the current queen should use I in scotland, too? < 1473381765 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In that case the two "Doctor" aren't adjacent though < 1473381805 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: Or be a man who changes /his/ name < 1473381833 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Like I told my sister any man she marries has to do; he changes his name.) < 1473381842 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: No, being married to a Doctor doesn't make you a Doctor < 1473381875 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless you mean something like "Mr. & Ms. Dr. Smith", which I don't think is really correct < 1473381897 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was probably considered correct at one time. < 1473381928 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but nowadays it sounds rather antifeminist < 1473381949 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: EXCELLENT < 1473381951 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahem < 1473381952 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry < 1473381977 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(If you would usually say "Mr. & Ms. Smith", but one (or both) has a doctorate, are you supposed to do "Dr. & Ms. Smith"/"Mr. & Dr. Smith"/"Dr. and Dr. Smith" (though in the last case, I think "Drs. Smith" would be considered correct)) < 1473382019 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think giving up and screaming is the correct approach there < 1473382062 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[2]: I think Dr. and Dr. would be most appropriate < 1473382073 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@ppp-115-87-126-243.revip4.asianet.co.th JOIN :#esoteric < 1473382090 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: & works too, but Drs. is just awesome < 1473382152 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Similarly, gay-married couples could be "Mss. Smith-Jones" or "Mrs. Smi"- oh, wait, the "Mrs." is a problem) < 1473382236 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm still a fan of Dr*. as well < 1473382248 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Dr. Dr*. Smith" < 1473382260 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[2]: i don't think Drs. is standard except in the cases that all their last names are different. E.g. in a medical practice of "Drs. Smith, Klaxon, Blzzxxt, and Jones" < 1473382276 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Well yeah, but it's so fun to say < 1473382280 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Doctors Smith" < 1473382285 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ick < 1473382291 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: It's fun < 1473382292 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds awkward < 1473382313 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hpp: I'm quite sure some people here do have a Dr. in their name just because their husband has such a title. that doesn't make them a Doctor, but they have it in their name before the part of the name they took from their husband. < 1473382353 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Even though we aren't speaking German so prefixes usually don't stack, some prefixes in English do stack (e.g. "Rv. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr."), and Dr*. is put on the same level as Dr. and Rv. for that) < 1473382365 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[2]: I think Drs. Smith and Smith would be fine < 1473382387 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: That works too, but "A & A" is just "A" < 1473382394 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basic boolean. < 1473382398 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(fnord) < 1473382403 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[2]: good thing names aren't booleans < 1473382407 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hpp: Heinlein's novel ''The Rolling Stones'' has Mr. Stone (the husband) and Dr. Stone (the mother). < 1473382420 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK... < 1473382437 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And this isn't even getting into metadoctors (Mdr.) < 1473382458 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That books has at least two completely names for six out of the seven main characters, used depending on who calls them that, and it's not explained at the start which names name the same people, so it was horibbly confusing to me < 1473382505 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(For those logreading: Dr*. is read "Co-doctor" and is a title automatically given to the spouse of a doctor, and is on the same priority level as Dr., so a doctor married to another doctor would be "Dr. Dr.* Smith") < 1473382544 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The most confusing part is that the twin brothers, who are approximately 16 years old, are called Castor and Pollux, but they call each other the nicknames Grandpa and Junior. < 1473382545 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: Was this intentional? < 1473382553 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hpp: I don't know. < 1473382580 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably no, maybe others pick it up more easily < 1473382617 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but seriously, calling a 16 year old boy "Grandpa" and another one "Junior" (when he has a 4 year old brother) in a book without explanation is confusing < 1473382629 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Maybe there should be an opposite of Dr. with an inherently bad connotation that's given to the child of a doctor. The only way to lose it is to get a doctorate yourself.) < 1473382632 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if it does make sense for the twins to call them that < 1473382639 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's confusing for the readers < 1473382649 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: It sounds like this was intentional < 1473382658 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, that it was MEANT to confuse you < 1473382674 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hpp: I dunno, I never know with Heeinlein < 1473382984 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1473382991 0 :DHeadshot_!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1473383288 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[2]: being the child of a doctor may be hard, but you just have to be patient < 1473383344 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION takes oerjan's swatter and swats em with it ----### < 1473383378 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's my swatter, it's the wrong size hth < 1473383381 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*not my < 1473383394 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid keyboard goblins < 1473383619 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan < 1473383619 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: "you know that some people think the current queen should use I in scotland, too?" => it seems crazy that the queen is bound by so many traditions that people would even debate this, rather than thinking that the queen has the right to get herself called whatever she wants. < 1473383653 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<\oren\> Today's QC is more gratuitous speculation about how to have sex with robots. ...I guess that's fine, now the name of the comic finally makes sense. <-- this comment was confusing coming right after a discussion of QuickCheck < 1473383753 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, "Gentleman" specifically refers to a man of "good, courteous conduct" (and lady to the female counterpart) < 1473383757 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: this is britain. the monarchy is made of pure unadulterated traditions hth < 1473383779 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yeah, I know < 1473383782 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So would you use "Ladies and Gentlemen" when referring to a crowd where some members are not of good, courteous conduct? < 1473383795 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :happens in other monarchies too < 1473383797 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ladies, gentlemen, and scoundrels < 1473383813 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure some comedians must have done that < 1473383828 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's QC again? < 1473383852 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@ppp-115-87-126-243.revip4.asianet.co.th QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1473383853 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a webcomic with somewhat questionable content < 1473383925 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like how many government institutes before 1914 were called "K & K" because the king is the emperor of Austria and the king of Hungary < 1473383978 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even after 1914 for a while I think < 1473384038 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because of the Steward of Gondor stuff < 1473384104 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc finland still has laws that refer to kejsaren, aka the tsar or russia < 1473384176 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: here documents referred to the People's Republic for a while until they could rename everything < 1473384188 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(OK, I'm getting a little confused. Is the correct spelling "bear with me" or "bare with me" when not saying "let's go be bears"?) < 1473384211 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[2]: the former i think. < 1473384221 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dammit < 1473384224 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you're stripping. < 1473384230 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That makes "Bear with me" so much less funny < 1473384232 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not right now < 1473384388 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm possibly finland cleaned that up eventually too. i'm having trouble finding evidence. < 1473384390 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@ppp-115-87-126-243.revip4.asianet.co.th JOIN :#esoteric < 1473384417 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, the coat of arms used to be present in a lot of places here, on official documents and government buildings and all the primary schools; but when the Republic was established, there were lots of more urgent stuff to do than to replace the signs everywhere, < 1473384425 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://english.stackexchange.com/questions/1269/is-it-bear-or-bare-with-me < 1473384437 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so for a while you could see the People's Republic coat of arms on lots of buildings still. < 1473384520 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's been done long ago though, you can't find the old coat of arms or mentions of "People's Republic" anywhere. Instead they're replacing "Állami" to "Nemzeti" in the names of lots of institutions now. < 1473384822 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need a Hat of Legs < 1473385418 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? tanebventions: math < 1473385419 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathematical tanebventions include D-modules, Chu spaces, the torus, Stephen Wolfram, Klein bottles, the axiom of choice, the reals, Lambek's lemma, pointless topology, and histograms. < 1473385446 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? axiom of choice < 1473385447 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :axiom of choice? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1473385452 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :poor < 1473385459 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slwd tanebventions: math//s/y,/y, locales,/ < 1473385460 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom/tanebventions: math//Mathematical tanebventions include D-modules, Chu spaces, the torus, Stephen Wolfram, Klein bottles, the axiom of choice, the reals, Lambek's lemma, pointless topology, locales, and histograms. < 1473385468 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? locale < 1473385469 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Locales are just frames, which are just complete Heyting algebras. Taneb accidentally invented them by asking about lattices. The only locale available in #esoteric is en_NZ.UTF-8. < 1473385483 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom axiom < 1473385484 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat: : No such file or directory \ // < 1473385518 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cwlprits axiom of choice < 1473385520 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1473385535 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slwd tanebventions: math//s/the axiom of choice, // < 1473385538 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom/tanebventions: math//Mathematical tanebventions include D-modules, Chu spaces, the torus, Stephen Wolfram, Klein bottles, the reals, Lambek's lemma, pointless topology, locales, and histograms. < 1473385557 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :see stated policy in the logs. < 1473385806 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : HSTS is terrible but I can propose a better way: There is a menu that the user can set up [...] <-- i'll state (reiterate?) what i consider obvious: the entire point of HSTS is to provide the right default for users who haven't thought carefully about their security. thus requiring a menu to enable it completely misses the purpose. < 1473385839 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1473385846 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*swap point and purpose above < 1473385858 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...it's kind of funny that UC wanted to make emoji more representative of race (because someone was doing it wrong by using actual skin colors) < 1473385867 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So they added Fitzpatrick markup < 1473385891 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except they merged type 1 and type 2 (the two that would be classified as "white") into a single one < 1473385944 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :By "funny" I mean "a tiny bit racist, but of the variety that a non-white person could complain about but a white person can't, even to people they can complain about more overt racism to" < 1473385961 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course a menu to adjust/disable it might be useful for power users. < 1473386076 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( hppavilion[2] doesn't get to discuss PC issues more than twice a week... ) < 1473386086 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: That was never a rule < 1473386097 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus it's in . o O ( ) hth < 1473386119 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's happening in a hypothetical world where i'm less patient hth < 1473386132 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey should add a Hitler Emoji. With the note that you're required to support ALL fitzpatricks or not use it at all < 1473386151 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just to insult Hitler even though he's already dead < 1473386347 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure insulting hitler actually helps with anything other than feeling smug. < 1473386354 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ < 1473386622 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1473386755 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@ppp-115-87-126-243.revip4.asianet.co.th QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1473386868 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Update: it is probably not only expensive, but impossible for me to do a bank transfer in foreign currency to PayPal. < 1473387235 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: really? I haven't had any trouble paying things in rubles or USD on paypal < 1473387401 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION whistles innocently < 1473387451 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: I can shop in other currencies by PayPal, but PayPal charges my card in HUF, so I pay PayPal's very expensive currency change rates rather than my bank's much cheaper rates < 1473387484 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: it seems like the bank can offer such cheap currency conversion rates because it's practically impossible to actually do anything with those rates without additional high charges < 1473387508 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, that's false < 1473387533 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can most certainly pay with a bank card on a POS terminal in a foreign country to get the cheap rates. < 1473387568 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I can't use the cheap rates to shop online with PayPal, for which I'd like to pay in GBP or other currencies. < 1473387628 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Spot_the_cow.gif < 1473387740 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :found the cow < 1473387741 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? tanebventions < 1473387743 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tanebventions include automatic squirrel feeders, necessity, Go, Windows 98, submarine jousting, Fueue, the universe, metar, weetoflakes, Tanebventions, persistence, the BBC, progress, and this sentence. See also tanebventions: math. He never invents anything involving sex. < 1473387760 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :good, good < 1473387917 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( wait, do all cows turn spherical when in a vacuum? ) < 1473388077 0 :DHeadshot_!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1473388113 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: No, it's a cow named "Spot" < 1473388126 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1473388137 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION . o O ( The Pope, at some point (it was Urban VIII apparently), declared the rules for how religious titles correspond to monarchical titles (Pope = King, Cardinal = Prince, and presumably Archbishop|Bishop = Archduke|Duke. Not sure where it goes from there.) < 1473388149 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if there was an academic equivalent < 1473388263 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um, what observable effect does that correspondence have? < 1473388391 0 :Effilry!?@? NICK :FireFly < 1473388395 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: Not really sure? < 1473388447 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1473388583 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[2]: table sittings hth < 1473388679 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*positions < 1473388894 0 :Kaynato!~Aedile@cpe-174-100-169-144.neo.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1473388910 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : How can I get lots of egostroking and free stuff, please? <-- you live in berkeley, isn't that ego stroking enough? < 1473388928 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why? < 1473388978 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess a berkeleyan would be the last to understand. < 1473389364 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1473391212 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1473391381 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@49.229.254.202 JOIN :#esoteric < 1473392481 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: It can be enabled by default if you want to I suppose, but I think it shouldn't be. (Anyways I would want to use the web browser program which is for the experts only, because the other ones just aren't so good) < 1473393540 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1473393626 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it looks like the spammers have taken a break < 1473393661 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they often do that < 1473393669 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made filter 9 a little less restrictive recently < 1473393677 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i saw that < 1473393681 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because legitimate users were failing at reading comprehension < 1473393703 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but some of them are still failing at bothering to complete it < 1473393709 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or so it seems) < 1473393752 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we could possibly get fizzie to disable anonymous editing in the site config? because it's effectively disabled anyway < 1473393753 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, except the users seem to have taken a break too. < 1473393762 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a quiet time for the Internet in general < 1473393773 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not quite sure why, but most of the other online forums I've been in have also seen a lull in activity < 1473393773 0 :Moonythedwarf!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf JOIN :#esoteric < 1473393785 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :could be that people are on holiday < 1473393817 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yeah if we're keeping anonymous editing disabled, it's better to stop people before they've composed an edit < 1473393847 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we could try disabling filter 9 for a bit and turning it back on the next time there's a spam attack? < 1473393854 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i assume it's school/colleges picking up? < 1473393856 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I'm not checking Esolang regularly any more < 1473393869 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it's a little too early for that < 1473393878 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that normally causes an increase rather than reduction in activity < 1473393888 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the "september surge" is a good time for recruiting people to online communities < 1473393893 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the problem with that is that we still haven't got an emergency halt button. < 1473393932 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie was looking a bit into better filtering, but i think he only got as far as upgrading the wiki < 1473393942 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think an emergency stop button would be useful < 1473393954 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the odds that someone who knows where it is is online at the same time as the spammers are fairly low < 1473393996 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: we'd have to advertize it a bit < 1473394021 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops, *s < 1473394036 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In a rare show of solidarity, both British English and American English spell advertise with an s in all forms." < 1473394058 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that's one of the only consistently -ise words < 1473394068 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if it's because it has a different etymology from the others < 1473394087 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :after all, "advertise" doesn't really mean "make into an advert", but "make an advert about" < 1473394104 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and "advert" is IIRC an abbreviation for "advertisement" rather than the /stem/ of "advertisement") < 1473394124 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : could be that people are on holiday <-- i think some countries have holidays at about this time, because the middle of summer is too hot for travelling or something. < 1473394245 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :alternatively, that also applies to destinations. < 1473394289 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, I tried to look up the etymology of "advert" on Wiktionary and my ad blocker blocked it < 1473394297 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sheesh < 1473394342 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :easy enough to add an exception, I just found it amusing (and confusing before I figured out what was going on) < 1473394406 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, it seems that "advertise" and "advertisement", although they share a root historically, diverged more recently than they were imported into English < 1473394429 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that the most likely theory about the spelling of "advertise" is that it was influenced by that of "advertisement" < 1473394444 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*diverged before they were imported into English < 1473394444 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1473394534 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gN2e4K9Jvug < 1473394580 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION needs to stop clicking on \oren\'s links < 1473394591 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :we have exceedingly diverging music tastes < 1473394824 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should learn to be incredibly adverse to following links on IRC, like I am < 1473394828 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for a while I had my client block them altogether) < 1473394866 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :my client doesn't follow links, i have to cut and paste them. < 1473394954 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it's inside putty < 1473394987 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't follow links from any random newbie < 1473395032 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i do look at the domain. i'd probably not follow url shorteners unless i'm told what it is. < 1473395279 0 :Moonythedwarf!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1473395654 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't follow YouTube links or URL shortener links, in general < 1473395687 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about links to YouTube's URL shortener (youtu.be)? < 1473395711 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't watch YouTube < 1473395714 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: https://www.kamogo.com/17 < 1473395723 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is what? < 1473395854 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that doesn't even work properly < 1473396373 0 :Kaynato!~Aedile@cpe-174-100-169-144.neo.res.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1473396427 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pGuu8QMk6E < 1473396985 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@49.229.254.202 QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1473397128 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Td-ZUm9Pixc < 1473397237 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :idea: a url shortener that runs some sort of distributed computing thing before redirecting < 1473397261 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :such as a DDOS attack < 1473397279 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes because that's what anyone wants with a url shortner < 1473397289 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :3s latency before being redirected < 1473397294 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you obviously would at first only redirect < 1473397315 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but on DDOS day.... < 1473397353 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it a wednesday? < 1473397356 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :it must be a wednesday < 1473397375 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :today is friday < 1473397442 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: well, maybe you would track usage patterns before DDOS day, then schedule it for the day of the week with highest usage < 1473397446 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@49.229.254.202 JOIN :#esoteric < 1473397489 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :many url shorteners have some letency while they show advertizements < 1473397494 0 :bibibi!~bibibi@64.137.202.202 QUIT :Quit: bibibi < 1473397506 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i never click them < 1473397596 0 :bibibi!~bibibi@64.137.202.202 JOIN :#esoteric < 1473399099 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have suggested before, to put texts of Magic: the Gathering cards into computer as RDF data (for example "Counter target spell" may become [:counter [:target :spell]]); this might then compile into something else to implement game in computer, or may be interpreted to implement game in computer. However, another advantage of this which was not the original point of it, is that you might make SPARQL queries to search for cards by effect instead o < 1473399106 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like this? < 1473400099 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@49.229.254.202 QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1473401445 0 :lorenzo64!~frait@87.18.7.17 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1473403136 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1473405381 0 :carado!~carado@2a01:e34:ec1e:2390:8341:b3f5:2d6:41fa JOIN :#esoteric < 1473405947 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@49.229.251.224 JOIN :#esoteric < 1473407051 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@49.229.251.224 QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1473407416 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1473407483 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@49.229.251.224 JOIN :#esoteric < 1473408058 0 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1473408193 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1473408507 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1473409219 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@49.229.251.224 QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1473409859 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can a LL parser be extended so that right sides of productions can be DFAs? How does this affect what it is capable of recognizing? < 1473410353 0 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@194.108.5.201 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1473410356 0 :gniourf!~gniourf@pdm-l03.insa-lyon.fr QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1473410487 0 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@194.108.5.201 JOIN :#esoteric < 1473410777 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1473411165 0 :augur!~augur@2601:640:8001:4222:1cbc:d916:14c0:6bcf JOIN :#esoteric < 1473412190 0 :_46bit!?@? NICK :\46bit < 1473412218 0 :\46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION did not know one could backslash instead of underscore < 1473412388 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :\ is upper-case | in IRC. < 1473412398 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1473412753 0 :\46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, OK < 1473412948 0 :Robdgreat!~rob@unaffiliated/robdgreat PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is now known as 💩 < 1473413024 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Morning < 1473413133 0 :Robdgreat!~rob@unaffiliated/robdgreat PRIVMSG #esoteric :hallo < 1473413773 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`WELCOME TANEB < 1473413775 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :TANEB: WELCOME TO THE INTERNATIONAL HUB FOR ESOTERIC PROGRAMMING LANGUAGE DESIGN AND DEPLOYMENT! FOR MORE INFORMATION, CHECK OUT OUR WIKI: . (FOR THE OTHER KIND OF ESOTERICA, TRY #ESOTERIC ON EFNET OR DALNET.) < 1473413798 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you not be so loud I've only just woken up < 1473413878 0 :\46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric :`RELCOME TANEB < 1473413879 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: RELCOME: not found < 1473413887 0 :\46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's probably a good thing < 1473413900 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :\46bit: please be respectful of Taneb's wishes twh < 1473413930 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? tanebventions: math < 1473413931 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathematical tanebventions include D-modules, Chu spaces, the torus, Stephen Wolfram, Klein bottles, the reals, Lambek's lemma, pointless topology, locales, and histograms. < 1473413938 0 :\46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: :-) < 1473413939 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? histogram < 1473413941 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Histograms are diagrams showing histamine levels. Taneb invented them. < 1473413958 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? the reals < 1473413960 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The reals are an overt complete ordered Brazilian currency invented by Taneb in 1994. < 1473413963 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :scow < 1473413969 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan I didn't realize filter 9 effectively disables anonymous editing; turning it off "properly" SGTM. < 1473413970 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1473413972 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? lambek's lemma < 1473413973 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lambek's Lemma, invented by Joachim "Taneb" Lambek, states that initial algebras have inverses. < 1473413974 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell ais523 I didn't realize filter 9 effectively disables anonymous editing; turning it off "properly" SGTM. < 1473413974 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1473413997 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Do non-Google people use "SGTM"? < 1473414008 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Non-Google Chrome developers do. < 1473414013 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought so, but then someone in another channel said it was a Google thing. < 1473414017 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? SGTM < 1473414018 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sergeant Mustard < 1473414023 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :tdh < 1473414026 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway for years my sister thought it meant "silently giggling to myself". < 1473414045 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :She thought I was laughing at her whenever anything good happened. < 1473414106 0 :\46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's unfortunate < 1473414152 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chrome people don't count. < 1473414188 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? klein bottles < 1473414189 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ klein bottles? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1473414193 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? klein bottle < 1473414194 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ klein bottle? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1473414197 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1473414201 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` rgrep -i klein wisdom < 1473414201 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :According to the Internet, it's general "Internet slang", but I have to say I don't recall hearing it much (if at all) pre-Google. < 1473414209 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom/tanebventions: math:Mathematical tanebventions include D-modules, Chu spaces, the torus, Stephen Wolfram, Klein bottles, the reals, Lambek's lemma, pointless topology, locales, and histograms. \ wisdom/klein bottle:A Klein bottle is like a torus, but more insidious. Taneb tried to invent it, but got trapped inside. < 1473414221 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, double space. < 1473414247 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :If anyone can get trapped inside a klein bottle it's me < 1473414248 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask oerjan was that pun truly an accident? twh < 1473414324 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? d-module < 1473414325 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :D-modules are just modules over the ring of differential operators. Taneb invented them. < 1473414710 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: In my logs there are 31 instances of 'sgtm', all but two of which are from #esoteric; most are from >= 2105, but there's 6 from 2013 (4x shachaf, 2x kmc); the two non-#esoteric instances are from ##c and #nethack. < 1473414718 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure you can deduce anything from that. < 1473414764 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Except that I need a full-text index for my logs, the query was SO SLOW.) < 1473414870 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :or an extra data center hth < 1473414993 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should switch to logging protos, then I'd be more motivated to build tools for browsing them. < 1473415023 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :As it is, I tend to just grep over the raw files instead of even querying the db. < 1473415040 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure why that's a problem, but it feels like a problem. < 1473415071 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: What's a good tool to run various queries on a proto-based log format? < 1473415082 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dremel, I guess. < 1473415087 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That I can use. < 1473415218 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think there is one. Uh, upload it into Storage and use BigQuery? (I think that's just Dremel.) < 1473415313 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That I can run locally. < 1473415326 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't think there was one either, but I was hoping to be wrong. < 1473415389 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :There should probably be something jq-like for protos. < 1473415461 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1473415632 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :The whole "not self-describing" thing makes that a little less appealing. < 1473415890 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a silly script that runs daily to fetch account balances for my pay-as-you-go phone account (they're very bad at providing any records), it writes the results into sqlite but for some unfathomable reason (temporary insanity?) also logs in protos. < 1473416195 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd still like to advocate brainfuck interpreters where the cells are in Z/pZ for some prime p < 1473416242 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I like p = 127 or 257 for this) < 1473416311 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-2hj4tbos9tbg7giqbv3mfhygs.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1473416399 0 :\46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't quite figure out what that would look like, Taneb. < 1473416444 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@ppp-119-76-122-163.revip17.asianet.co.th JOIN :#esoteric < 1473416462 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :\46bit, basically, it'd mean that balanced loops that don't contain , on the conditional cell either always halt or never halt < 1473416480 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you can decide this at compile time < 1473416519 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(balanced with regards to < and >, that is each iteration tests the same cell) < 1473416571 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because Z/nZ is a field! :D < 1473416628 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And there's a surjective homomorphism from the algebraic-structure-describing-the-increment-operation from the naturals to it < 1473416651 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is useful for brainfuck < 1473416661 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that might in fact be a monoid homomorphism but I am not sure) < 1473416683 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: So does [[-]>,[-<+>]<] always halt or not? It doesn't contain a , on the conditional cell, and is balanced. < 1473416738 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hmm. < 1473416748 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That does not always halt or not < 1473416754 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may have rethink slightly < 1473416791 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to add the condition "Does not contain a nested loop affecting the conditional cell" < 1473417465 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay I'm listening to a talk about Malbolge... < 1473417656 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@ppp-119-76-122-163.revip17.asianet.co.th QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1473417803 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1473418213 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The difficult task of writing a general program in Malbolge was completed for real in 2005 by Hisashi Iizawa, Toshiki Sakabe, Masahiko Sakai, Keiichirou Kusakari, and Naoki Nishida." ... I had not realized that I know two of these people. < 1473418245 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Masahiko Sakai is the speaker) < 1473419296 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :  < 1473425538 0 :gniourf!~gniourf@pdm-l03.insa-lyon.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1473426072 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1473427495 0 :actuator!~actuator@c-68-32-213-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1473427546 0 :actuator!~actuator@c-68-32-213-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1473427819 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1473427868 0 :actuator!~actuator@c-68-32-213-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PART #esoteric : < 1473428370 0 :augur!~augur@2601:640:8001:4222:1cbc:d916:14c0:6bcf QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1473428602 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@ppp-119-76-122-163.revip17.asianet.co.th JOIN :#esoteric < 1473429885 0 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1473431230 0 :Kaynato!~Aedile@casewireless09.cwru.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1473432933 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Malbolge Unshackled14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=49698&oldid=47353 5* 03Malbranche 5* (+129) 10/* External resources */ Link to Brainfuck interpreter proving Turing-completeness < 1473433117 0 :clog!~nef@bespin.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1473433174 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Malbranche14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=49699&oldid=47305 5* 03Malbranche 5* (+162) 10Work on Malbolge Unshackled < 1473433361 0 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1473433362 0 :clog!~nef@bespin.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1473433623 0 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1473434224 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1473434757 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So... I was going through self-hosting file storage solutions, and the 2 good ones required PHP, one of which had an unexplained libselinux dependency. And they all require that you have a device with enough storage capacity for all the files. < 1473435110 0 :Kaynato!~Aedile@casewireless09.cwru.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1473435204 0 :Kaynato!~Aedile@casewireless03.CWRU.Edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1473435584 0 :keemyb!keemyb@gateway/shell/fnordserver.eu/x-repszpdpotvwrdad QUIT :Quit: https://fnordserver.eu < 1473435598 0 :Kaynato!~Aedile@casewireless03.CWRU.Edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1473436260 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@ppp-119-76-122-163.revip17.asianet.co.th QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1473436765 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@ppp-119-76-122-163.revip17.asianet.co.th JOIN :#esoteric < 1473437066 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(By "device with enough storage capacity for all the files", I was referring to the server. Just realized that might be ambiguous. Nowadays, servers tend to have less space than the clients...) < 1473437210 0 :puckipedia!~puck@irc.puckipedia.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1473437515 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what would you consider the most important feature to implement in a df like after digging? < 1473437559 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cats < 1473437574 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but then again, I'm insane) < 1473437583 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and/or like cats. pick any 1.) < 1473437600 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i tend to say workshops < 1473438025 0 :keemyb!keemyb@gateway/shell/fnordserver.eu/x-odagcpnkuudahyae JOIN :#esoteric < 1473439036 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: objects that can be moved using stockpiles < 1473439048 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@ppp-119-76-122-163.revip17.asianet.co.th QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1473439164 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, items in general. i have to look for graphics < 1473439197 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what graphics? < 1473439228 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're not using characters? < 1473439231 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :first stuff i am going to make is probably stone, wood and barrels < 1473439240 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not < 1473439254 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i may, if i don't find somebody to make graphics in the long run < 1473439282 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :▬ <- a brown one of these. wood. done. < 1473439354 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :• <- gray. stone. done. < 1473439358 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need tilesets nontheless :) < 1473439375 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could of course use emojis! < 1473439391 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i could, yeah < 1473439408 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in practice, i just wildly modify an existing game < 1473439424 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or the non-emoji character variants of emojis, if you still want each object to be one character cell < 1473439498 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i still have a small problems with ramps to fix < 1473439502 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :☂ <- This is a pine wood and horse leather umbrella. It is of the utmost quality. < 1473439514 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1473439527 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1473439571 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is hung with rings of rose gold and amber, and inlaid with a picture in rat bones of Ugrak the Orc. Ugrak is weeping. < 1473439617 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is way more advanced than what i am going to do for now < 1473439632 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am not planing to do different stones for now, at all < 1473439646 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The picture relates to the imprisonment in Woodsgelding of Ugrak the Orc in 1348 < 1473439692 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i need to write a name generator some time < 1473439937 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trump appeared on RT to praise Putin < 1473439980 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If he wins, the cold war is over, with victory to Russia < 1473442621 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZREQWva082s < 1473442658 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 JOIN :#esoteric < 1473442721 0 :puckipedia!~puck@irc.puckipedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1473442738 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh man, I'm very proud of myself now, even if what I did was by accident. < 1473442752 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: i wouldn't understand a word without subs < 1473442756 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And might not have even worked. < 1473442845 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :" the "september surge" is a good time for recruiting people to online communities" -- what? < 1473442850 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what September surge/ < 1473442853 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: Yeah Stack is not good at english... < 1473442866 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that like the rush to the shops to buy useless stuff to schoolchildren? < 1473442891 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess some kids might get new laptops at that time < 1473442906 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: yes, they do < 1473442919 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and tablets and smartphones and whatever they use these days < 1473442951 0 :\46bit!?@? NICK :[46bit < 1473442972 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought that was a reference to the phenomenon https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternal_September is about. < 1473443045 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION leans back in his comfy chair staring at this channel on a huge monitor with smug superiority radiating the belief that the large noisy box next to him is a better way to enjoy this text chat than those fancy tiny devices < 1473443111 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, I think I was told a lot of people have now used the interwebs for the first time over a smartphone. < 1473443128 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/aug/06/smartphones-most-popular-way-to-browse-internet-ofcom < 1473443165 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: my little cousin didn't know that you could get youtube on a laptop < 1473443168 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: wait, is that even possible? < 1473443188 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :until I showed him a few weeks ago < 1473443206 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: yes, if the "people" in question are 6 years old < 1473443287 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: Why wouldn't it be possible? < 1473443307 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can see the text now... < 1473443325 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: dunno, < 1473443332 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"To improve the overall user experience, Youtube users are required to have WebGL 2, which means you have to support OpenGL ES 3. THIS MEANS YOU, IRONLAKE USERS." < 1473443364 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*cue mass shift to youtube-dl* < 1473443368 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: your little cousin is stupid < 1473443371 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :there i said it < 1473443372 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :To him, I'm some ancient relic who went to a party in the year 2000. < 1473443400 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the year 2000 is 10 years before he was born < 1473443426 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, the equivalent of someone talking to me about 1983 < 1473443461 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or talking to my dad about like 1946 < 1473443473 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Mobile-only internet usage is also becoming more common, driven predominantly by Millennials, of which 21 percent are no longer using desktop computers to go online." < 1473443478 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Back in the day, those awesome graphics cards were branded ATI! You hear me? A! T! I!" < 1473443504 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The merger happened in 2010, so your little cousin would not know of this.) < 1473443506 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: what is this "protos" you mention? < 1473443522 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: Protobufs. You know, protocol buffers. < 1473443525 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: no way. even back then NVDIA cards were more awesome, just more expensive too. < 1473443565 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Matrox is where it's at. < 1473443616 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Back in the day, the USA wasn't at war in the middle east < 1473443636 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had at least a Matrox Mystique 220, a G200 and a G450. < 1473443655 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the president was named "Bill Clinton" < 1473443657 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :mplayer had a custom 'mga' output driver for hardware-accelerated video on them. V. fancy. < 1473443660 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meh. Think about it this way. AMD's easier on the drivers under some conditions, and if you're worried it's not powerful enough... seriously, please, for the love of all that you know, avoid anything marked "i3 M370". < 1473443674 0 :Kaynato!~Aedile@casewireless03.CWRU.Edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1473443676 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That should recalibrate your definition of power. < 1473443722 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, and we had mouse with two buttons, and 14 inch CRT monitors with 100 hertz refresh rate and way more vivid colors than what you have now on these TFTs, and a Gmail with no "delete" button. < 1473443745 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the most awesome internet games were written in Shockwave Flash < 1473443760 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which your ipad can't even run < 1473443799 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :neither can my laptop with arch < 1473443804 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wasn't there an xkcd about the delete button in gmail? < 1473443805 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't find it < 1473443805 0 :Caesura!~Aedile@casewireless03.CWRU.Edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1473443858 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and the prime minister was Jean Chretien < 1473443878 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Jean Chretien"? Never heard of them. < 1473443890 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean_Chr%C3%A9tien < 1473443891 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION goes looking < 1473443904 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1473443907 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's famous for punching a heckler in the face < 1473443922 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, basically, one of the few rare politicians that ever did anything. < 1473443925 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: what? wasn't Chretien prime minister only a few years ago? < 1473443936 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm no < 1473443940 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :time runs fast < 1473443951 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: no. then there was paul martin, and then stephen goddamnhim harper < 1473443960 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1473443976 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm guessing harper, whoever they are, was not very good at government? < 1473443991 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Either that or he literally had "Goddamnhim" as a middle name. < 1473444003 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: I understand some people say he ruined canada or something < 1473444011 0 :Kaynato!~Aedile@casewireless03.CWRU.Edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1473444012 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really follow politics on the other side of the pond < 1473444018 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(nor here much, mind you) < 1473444052 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't follow politics, in general, that much. < 1473444059 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: basically he allowed Canada's economy to become way too tied to oil < 1473444070 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then the oil dried up? < 1473444071 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and its currency < 1473444086 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: nah, just became worthless with the advent of shale < 1473444102 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's still there, but uneconomical to extract < 1473444149 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh man. So something is broken about rendering MathML in this browser, because the same problem (too high parenthesis) appears on multiple wobsites. < 1473444156 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Must be a client problem. < 1473444191 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :he also prorogued parliament to prevent certain bills from getting passed < 1473444211 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and to prevent a vote of no confidence < 1473444228 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"prorogued"? what does that mean? < 1473444259 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: he didn't let parliament hold any sessions for months < 1473444272 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1473444334 0 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1473444363 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :then in 2011 there actually was avote of no confidence < 1473444401 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :harper won again, but he lost the regular election this year < 1473444433 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, last year < 1473444511 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's no longer in politics < 1473444749 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find MathML is often screwed up < 1473444767 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1473444780 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hippavilion[2]! < 1473444854 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1473445034 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1473445347 0 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1473445924 0 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1473446007 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.dropbox.com/s/zb8fbs7685xpkiu/Screenshot_20160909-191854.png?dl=0 i do think i made a mistake somewhere < 1473446314 0 :[46bit!?@? NICK :_46bit < 1473446367 0 :Caesura!~Aedile@casewireless03.CWRU.Edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1473446906 0 :Caesura!~Aedile@casewireless09.CWRU.Edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1473446956 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: mistake? I see no mistake. < 1473446999 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is one dwarf on that layer (as indicated in the top right) < 1473447840 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1473449226 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :According to an online quiz, I'm more likely to be a native swedish speaker than English < 1473449244 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://gameswithwords.org/WhichEnglish/ < 1473449263 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :does this surprise you? < 1473449284 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, given I don't know any swedish and I've never been to sweden. < 1473449332 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would do the quiz, but it requires age and gender. < 1473449335 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No thanks. < 1473449349 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1473449351 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Ore guesses for your native language: 1: Swedish, 2: Dutch 3: English" < 1473449388 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :time to cheat the quiz age/gender thingy, just for the fun of it < 1473449447 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also their dialect chioces were "1: Ebonics 2: Canadian 3: General american" < 1473449577 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, the cheats... so apparently they decided that normal tags < 1473449611 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which are stopping me from saying that I am an immortal verminicious knid. < 1473450061 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aha. Use the DOM inspector to add in your preferred option, then run $("#gender").select2(); to create the new choicebox. < 1473450377 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting, it guessed german for me < 1473450381 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is correct < 1473450405 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, my dialect seems to be aave < 1473450601 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is a ¡ a "gnab"? < 1473450672 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably a qɐuƃ < 1473450752 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, apparently, I'm from New Zealand. This, of course, is completely false. < 1473450853 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :german, english, dutch are the 3 guesses for me < 1473450872 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and now... "In the Country Of United Kingdom"... < 1473450900 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously, they say "country" and define the United Kingdom as a country, they are asking for me to deliberately break the system now. < 1473450910 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am entering in England. < 1473450922 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I said it in Hebrew -- I said it in Dutch -- / I said it in German and Greek. / But I wholly forgot (and it vexes me much) / That English is what you speak. < 1473450999 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 JOIN :#esoteric < 1473450999 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying that test now < 1473451004 0 :lorenzo64!~frait@87.18.7.17 JOIN :#esoteric < 1473451084 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has some tricky questions. < 1473451084 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the best part is, that somehow, the console isn't indicating any server errors due to my... interesting... input. < 1473451102 0 :Caesura!~Aedile@casewireless09.CWRU.Edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1473451103 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or at least none that the server sent back, anyway... < 1473451387 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It says "Our top three guesses for your English dialect: 1. US Black Vernacular / Ebonics 2. New Zealandish 3. South African. Our top three guesses for your native (first) language: 1. English 2. Dutch 3. Swedish" < 1473451479 0 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1473451494 0 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Our top three guesses for your English dialect: 1. US Black Vernacular / Ebonics 2. New Zealandish 3. Singaporean" "Our top three guesses for your native (first) language: 1. Swedish 2. English 3. Dutch" < 1473451663 0 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: the book is in my possession! not sure if I'll have time to read this weekend but will try < 1473451668 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1473451671 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: whoa whoa whoa < 1473451679 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: After you read this book I can send you more books. < 1473451685 0 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh shit < 1473451691 0 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :books rot the mind < 1473451699 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :good point < 1473451718 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I recommend a book to kmc that he really liked. < 1473451745 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: won't that cause a downtime between the two books when the second book is still in postage/ < 1473451752 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you should read that one. < 1473451764 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: copumpkin deserves a break. < 1473451803 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: Remind me, were you an expert in Russian history? < 1473451807 0 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1473451810 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: _The Coast of Utopia_ was so good < 1473451816 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a play, not a book. < 1473451866 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that's irrelevant. < 1473452349 0 :Caesura!~Aedile@casewireless09.CWRU.Edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1473452537 0 :Reece`!~Ner@cpc4-wiga13-2-0-cust799.18-3.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1473452935 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Every time you read a book, shachaf sends you two more books. < 1473452963 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :awesome < 1473453031 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: is there a flip side? like, every time you don't read a book he's sent within reasonable time, he takes away another random one of your books? < 1473453217 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, I don't subscribe to the service. < 1473453234 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that sounds reasonable. < 1473453255 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, those aren't good rules, because then you can get stuck with zero books in the queue < 1473453300 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a better rule might be something like this: whenever you have two or fewer books in your read queue plus in transmit from shachaf, shachaf sends you two more books. < 1473453304 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Do you want to subscribe? < 1473453321 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: can I request particular books? < 1473453329 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Now that you're British do you drink a lot of tea? < 1473453366 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: No, yes (well, sort-of). < 1473453375 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Now that you're British"? < 1473453385 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is confused < 1473453388 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: What sort of tea? < 1473453400 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been trying to sign up for someone's tea recommendation of the month club. < 1473453417 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I drink more tea now because the new office's MKs have this tap from which hot water comes out of, without having to pour it into a water cooker and waiting for few minutes. < 1473453434 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: oh, I'm bad at that. I mostly just drink the sort of empty tea I call "colored water" < 1473453441 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, yes, the "do not ever let it near a child, they are guaranteed to hurt their hands" taps < 1473453449 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: TG < 1473453452 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: It's got a child-"proof" thing. < 1473453454 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :certainly not British stuff that has a taste < 1473453465 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(even if it's sometimes a horrible taste) < 1473453466 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Are there any shortened URLs containing the string "pooch"? < 1473453481 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I heard there was a spot of the kerfuffle about URL shortening recently. < 1473453497 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: You get cold water at the press of a button, but for hot water you need to press a button first, and then a different button in a short interval of time. < 1473453514 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Do not underestimate children. < 1473453516 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: No way a child would ever figure that out. < 1473453524 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1473453533 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I'm a bit worried, because *I* could figure it out without instructions. < 1473453536 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to press buttons? surely no child would ever want to waste his time on pressing buttons to see what happens < 1473453553 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :The two hot-water buttons are identical, and once you've pressed one, the other blinks. < 1473453563 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1473453568 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it blinks. < 1473453573 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It... It blinks. < 1473453582 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are they asking for scalded hands? < 1473453585 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we've already talked about this today. children these days just use their touchscreen smartphones, they don't like pressing actual buttons < 1473453598 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Chicago office had a TEAbot. < 1473453628 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :A sort of a thing with jars of loose-leaf tea, and a tablet as the user interface. < 1473453639 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where are the buttons, are they placed under the tap so you have to reach in carefully, or press it with the cup? < 1473453649 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: please recommend a loose-leaf tea twh < 1473453650 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.foodandwine.com/fwx/drink/teabot-tea-making-robot-tea-lovers-dreams < 1473453652 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like that. < 1473453697 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I'm not a high-fidelity tea person, I just pick from what's been supplied. < 1473453708 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is a tea make considered unoriginal and bland if it's a Braintea derivative? < 1473453719 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've bought the Clipper brand things because they have nice boxes. < 1473453737 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know, like these soda machines where you just have to push your cup forward under the tap to trigger a mechanical handle with the cup, but instead people try all sorts of things like pushing or pulling the handle with their hands, with or without a cup. < 1473453746 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Nice boxes? That sounds good. < 1473453773 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: "supplied"? like at work? < 1473453796 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: But all I see is bags? < 1473453812 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : wob_jonas: Put a symbol on the side of the mug, and an obviously interlocking symbol on the machine port. < 1473453815 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That might work. < 1473453879 0 :lorenzo64!~frait@87.18.7.17 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1473453893 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Today is Cirno Day! ⑨/⑨ < 1473453904 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: dunno, good interface design is hard < 1473453910 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay Cirno Day! < 1473453912 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQq_mZc3y_s < 1473453990 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: Yes. Preparing hot water without the handy tap is such a chore, I do all my tea at work. < 1473454021 0 :Caesura!~Aedile@casewireless09.CWRU.Edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1473454054 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: you "do" your tea? That's making me imagine some sort of drug pusher handing you some Earl Gr[ea]y. < 1473454121 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1473454124 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I also drink most of my tea at work, but not because of that. Both at work and at home I make tea by boiling water in a small electric kettle, pouring half a liter in a cup, and adding a teabag for coloring the water. < 1473454135 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's exactly the same procedure at home or at work. < 1473454143 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Same sorts of teabags too. < 1473454155 0 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1473454222 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: That's weird. The grocery stores (at least in Finland) had loose-leaf Clipper brand tea. I don't know why their website is so bag-only. < 1473454305 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: Has neoletters added ⸘ yet? < 1473454317 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ys < 1473454331 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's the right way around too < 1473454334 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? neoletters < 1473454335 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :neoletters? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1473454338 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? oren's font < 1473454339 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​\oren\'s font is http://www.orenwatson.be/fontdemo.htm < 1473454371 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: Congratulations, BTW, my school has your site blocked < 1473454381 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :For "Prohibited advertisements content" < 1473454417 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps: ln -s "wisdom/oren's font" wisdom/neoletters < 1473454430 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Warning. I have no idea how HackEgo would react to this. That's what makes it so fun!) < 1473454431 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :My site doesn't have any ads at all... maybe that's what's prohibited < 1473454437 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: Weird < 1473454440 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll submit an appeal < 1473454445 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aha, I understand! < 1473454449 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They want ads on the site < 1473454453 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they can replace them with their own ads! < 1473454475 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slashlearn oren's font/\oren\'s font neoletters is http://www.orenwatson.be/fontdemo.htm < 1473454478 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Relearned «oren's font» < 1473454559 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: Nope xD < 1473454572 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even if there WERE ads, everyone has adblock nowadays < 1473454578 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least it's greppable now < 1473454754 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ærl Græy Tæ < 1473454789 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rl grA tE < 1473454826 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Real great"? < 1473454837 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Subliminal messaging! < 1473454838 0 :hppavilion[2]!?@? NICK :hppavilion[1] < 1473454843 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course! < 1473454847 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: itym græp hth < 1473454847 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How did I not see this? < 1473454881 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :|G|lobally search |Ræ|gular |E|xpression and |P|rint < 1473454895 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hpp: grapes? nah, I prefer raspberries, thanks. < 1473454906 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: I prefer my raspberries in a pie, rather than raw. < 1473454909 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that's just me. < 1473454933 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is basic rægexes. < 1473454936 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And... leaving < 1473454946 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :læving? < 1473455188 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1473455693 0 :augur!~augur@2601:640:8001:4222:99ff:b85f:2764:1b3d JOIN :#esoteric < 1473456980 0 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1473457004 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why koala? < 1473457022 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, koalahead < 1473457022 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: regardless of whether or not a file in big-5 encoding. how would you like < 1473457038 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1473457568 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, this should be ゚interesting. < 1473457652 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: a fair or a fare? < 1473457652 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: stop twisting words again. < 1473457661 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :snort < 1473457669 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fnord? < 1473457672 0 :Moonythedwarf!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf JOIN :#esoteric < 1473457690 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder why so many people are unaffiliated? < 1473457803 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :unaffiliated with what? < 1473457840 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know! < 1473457850 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :With everything, I presume. < 1473457884 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj, I am legally required to be non-partisanb < 1473457894 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm guessing they're actually aliens from another planet, in disguise as humans. Or time travellers. Or alien time travellers. They seem kind, so that's good. < 1473458137 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: no way. surely time travellers would know all our history and are familiar with all the terrible consequences the Other Candidate's term as president has brought and are able to view it from a perspective unbiased by the nasty mud-slinging of this campaign, so they won't remain unaffiliated but will support My Candidate fully. < 1473458311 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1473458311 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1473458593 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, "short-sighted", that's what that sentence needs < 1473458641 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's interesting that both candidates are now essentially saying the world will literally end if the other one winds < 1473458687 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: well duh, people are always saying that < 1473458802 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? racoon < 1473458803 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :racoon? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1473458804 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? raccoon < 1473458805 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :raccoon? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1473458808 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? cocoon < 1473458808 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cocoon? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1473458877 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :did they say that during the 2008 election? < 1473458899 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remeber them saying it over and over back then < 1473459022 0 :augur!~augur@2601:640:8001:4222:99ff:b85f:2764:1b3d QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1473459076 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1473459274 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is JOIN :#esoteric < 1473459295 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls wisdom/*coon* < 1473459297 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom/cocoonspirator \ wisdom/coonspirator \ wisdom/racoonspirator < 1473459314 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? racoonspirator < 1473459315 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A racoonspirator is a collaborator wrapped in fur < 1473459653 0 :Reece`!~Ner@cpc4-wiga13-2-0-cust799.18-3.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1473460390 0 :Moonythedwarf!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? cocoonspirator < 1473460391 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A cocoonspirator is a collaborator wrapped in caterpillar silk < 1473460395 0 :Moonythedwarf!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? coonspirator < 1473460396 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A coonspirator is caterpillar silk wrapped in collaborators. < 1473460596 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1473460686 0 :Moonythedwarf!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls wisdom/*err* < 1473460688 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls: cannot access wisdom/*err*: No such file or directory < 1473460694 0 :Moonythedwarf!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls wisdom/*e* < 1473460695 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom/6 random numbers \ wisdom/abstract nonsense \ wisdom/adpoted \ wisdom/adventure \ wisdom/algebraic chess notation \ wisdom/algebraic number theory \ wisdom/al gore \ wisdom/alice \ wisdom/alise \ wisdom/all the tropes \ wisdom/almond bread \ wisdom/america \ wisdom/amnesium \ wisdom/amortized \ wisdom/antediluvian \ wisdom/applicative functo < 1473460714 0 :Moonythedwarf!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls wisdom/*dire* < 1473460715 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls: cannot access wisdom/*dire*: No such file or directory < 1473460718 0 :Moonythedwarf!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls wisdom/*cat* < 1473460719 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom/applicative functor \ wisdom/bicategory \ wisdom/cat \ wisdom/catamorphism \ wisdom/categorical product \ wisdom/category \ wisdom/category-helpdesk \ wisdom/category theory \ wisdom/cat elimination \ wisdom/cat introduction \ wisdom/implication \ wisdom/monoidal category < 1473460733 0 :Moonythedwarf!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? cat < 1473460733 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cats are cool, but should be illegal. < 1473460734 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Cocoon was built by the fal'Cie, and floats above Gran Pulse. < 1473460736 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'cocoon': Cocoon was built by the fal'Cie, and floats above Gran Pulse. < 1473460756 0 :Moonythedwarf!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? cat elimination < 1473460756 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat elimination is the process of replacing a one-argument `cat` command with the shell operator < < 1473460757 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-2hj4tbos9tbg7giqbv3mfhygs.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in < 1473460849 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :The thing is, "cat X | foo | bar | baz" has a much more natural ordering of things than "foo < X | bar | baz". < 1473460904 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe we need an optimizing shell < 1473460922 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :And "< X foo | bar | baz" just looks silly. < 1473460925 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :though of course it's almost impossible, because the difference is observable in too many ways < 1473460957 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: of course it does. you should write it without the space after the angle bracket, like busybox < 1473461584 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does the busybox shell actually run busybox commands builtin-like? < 1473461589 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1473461597 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't fork < 1473461604 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fancy. < 1473461631 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :So if you kill it while it's pretending to be a gzip, you don't go back to the shell? < 1473461642 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's correct < 1473461677 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assume that ^C is handled specially in that case though < 1473461689 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah just regular signal handlers < 1473461700 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you'd need another shell to kill it with < 1473461701 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :but with sigkill of course there's not much you can do < 1473461712 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :That doesn't seem to happen on my busybox, at least for 'sleep'. < 1473461747 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me find which apps are nofork < 1473461767 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it's presumably-short-running ones. < 1473461787 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would make sense, since those would save the most. < 1473461788 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1473461840 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :seq false whoami echo logname sync fsync touch true truncate yes basename dirname printenv pwd cat < 1473461939 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :rmdir mkdir rm usleep < 1473462594 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :could you make a program that compiles shell scripts into programs that fork, dup2, and exec? < 1473462605 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it's called a shell < 1473462622 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: a shell is an interpreter < 1473462624 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't the shell interpretive? < 1473462645 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :so far i know no shell that compiles stuff < 1473462673 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :but why is that useful? < 1473462692 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're only speeding up the interpretation part < 1473462736 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and obfuscating the code at the same time < 1473462832 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can build a pessimized shell though, mind you < 1473462833 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem with this is that it works great with very simple shells but posix shells do a shitload of other stuff that's totally not trivial to translate < 1473462859 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like http://blog.schmorp.de/2015-06-08-emulating-linux-mips-in-perl-1.html < 1473462879 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and maybe this shell would have options to optimize things in unexpected ways < 1473462967 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. shell variables that are treated as numbers can be stored as numbers until such time as a string operation is performed upon them < 1473462988 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :ksh does that < 1473462999 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it does that if you declare them as numeric variables < 1473463004 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :it stores them in doubles < 1473463005 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know what they say about premature optimization < 1473463013 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOT DOUBLES! < 1473463019 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :SHELL NUMBERS ARE int64 < 1473463023 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just read the manual < 1473463029 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrong < 1473463047 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, the ones in bash are sorry < 1473463051 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know what they say about floating point values < 1473463055 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :double, double, toil and trouble < 1473463091 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is this? < 1473463101 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a song in a harry potter movie < 1473463102 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, could you lend me a newt's eye for the cocooncotion? < 1473463102 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: let's not and say we did! :-p cool. thanks.) since you bothered to type that < 1473463110 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what was it before being sang in hp? < 1473463128 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: some lame Shakespeare stuff I think < 1473463131 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was a line from Macbeth < 1473463135 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh < 1473463149 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate shakespeare < 1473463162 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bubble, bobble. < 1473463171 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMzrgXFeX_o < 1473463181 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, more I hate the people who don't translate shakespeare < 1473463182 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :beeble < 1473463192 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? beeble < 1473463193 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :beeble? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1473463205 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I should have married a crueler woman." < 1473463207 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ait was in the disk 2 of the dvd < 1473463210 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/A// < 1473463237 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shakespeare is not written in modern english, therefore they should translate it into modern english before having kids read it < 1473463241 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eye of newt, and toe of frog, / Wool of bat, and pooch of dog < 1473463277 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\, striiiiiictly speaking, it is Modern English < 1473463290 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although you are well within your rights to argue I'm completely missing the point < 1473463300 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in what possible sense? < 1473463319 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: Some people defined some words and now everyone thinks their definitions are better than yours. < 1473463322 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth < 1473463326 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :many words used by shakespeare are completely unknown to modern readers < 1473463340 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or widely misunderstood < 1473463389 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I personally find Shakespeare relatively easy to read < 1473463413 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: well duh. he's made up a lot of new words. obviously not all would catch on. he still has quite a lot of success with many of them. < 1473463413 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. troth, wherefore, fair, whence < 1473463427 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It uses slang that is unfamiliar, but so does a lot of stuff coming out of the US < 1473463451 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So does a lot of stuff coming from 300 miles away in my home country's capital < 1473463458 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"whence" is a good word. < 1473463500 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wherefore dost thou sayest such, shachaf? < 1473463516 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: "dost thou sayest"? < 1473463538 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yes, but most modern people would understand it as meaning "when" but shakespeare meant "where" < 1473463541 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"do you say", with singular you, attempting to emulate early modern english < 1473463558 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\, ...people understand it as meaning when? < 1473463563 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: It reads more like "does he says" to me. < 1473463565 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1473463567 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: what? we know what a "fair" is. it's either a convention where they're not trying to bother with a fixed schedule of presentations in large rooms because they know the point of a convention is people going around the stands in an unscheduled manner and meeting each other, or an adjective for elves. < 1473463585 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: "whence" doesn't mean "where" < 1473463590 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: It means "from where" < 1473463591 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, well, clearly, you don't speak early modern english as well as I do < 1473463601 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\, I've never heard of anyone thinking it means "when" before < 1473463605 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: yes, and shakespeare uses fair to mean "beautiful" < 1473463609 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Are you sure you're right about this? < 1473463616 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\, *I* use fair to mean beautiful < 1473463625 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, no hth < 1473463626 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: "whence" means "from where", "hence" means "from here", "thence" means "from there" < 1473463627 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: To a modern ear, wherefore means where, and whence means when < 1473463640 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: "whither" means "to where", "hither" means "to here", "thither" means "to there" < 1473463646 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\, then I do not have a modern ear < 1473463657 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wherefore art thou romeo = "where are you, romeo? I can't see you" < 1473463665 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wherefore being taken as where, I've heard of < 1473463670 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never whence being taken as when < 1473463674 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And we know what a "whence" is too, it's the third argument of an lseek or fseek or similar function, and traditionally has the value of 0 for offset from start, 1 for offset from current position, 2 for offset from end of file, although these days some other values are possible. < 1473463686 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas makes a good point. < 1473463692 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? wob_jonas < 1473463693 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas is b_jonas in disguise, so that he can do magic tricks. < 1473463721 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"fair" as beautiful, what's the point of that? we already have "pretty" and "handsome" to mean beautiful < 1473463724 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: so this is wrong? "from whence you came you shall remain" < 1473463727 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: "From whence he came" = "he's a time traveller returning to his home time period" < 1473463735 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas, fair is a different kind of beautiful < 1473463750 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: I've heard "from whence". I'm not sure whether it's "wrong", it might just be redundant or something? < 1473463758 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\, I've seriously never heard anyone use it like that, or think it could be used like that before < 1473463795 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas, Legolas and Arwen are fair but not pretty or handsome, to me < 1473463813 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :legolas aint pretty!? < 1473463822 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it's not! it's just partitioning the old fashioned chauvinist way: you say "beautiful" about women, "handsome" about men, "pretty" about children, and "fair" about elves, to enforce the notion that the roles of people in society should be determined by their gender and age and heritage. < 1473463831 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they all mean the fucking same thing! < 1473463838 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No they don't! < 1473463848 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :except, you know, when "fair" means a convention < 1473463874 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do associate them with different kinds of beauty, and there are definitely beautiful men and handsome women < 1473463910 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"gainsay" most people today would interpret as "say again" but shakespeare meant "contradict, deny" < 1473463935 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I think the Thing from Addams Family is quite handsome. < 1473463951 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, good for you < 1473463960 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: what's that supposed to mean < 1473463969 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that some kind of insult < 1473463978 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, either it's clear to me that they're the same because I haven't grown up as an English speaker and so my head isn't full about ideas about which social classes of people should be beautiful in which ways, or I just don't understand the small difference between those worse because I've not grown up as an English speaker and I'm just imagining < 1473463978 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :those words the same. < 1473463986 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, it means I disagree but recognize it's a valid opinion, and also I don't really care < 1473464007 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not really an opinion. < 1473464009 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's more of a pun. < 1473464023 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't know you could disagree with puns. < 1473464023 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh! I was thinking of Cousin Itt < 1473464028 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you can find them disagreeable. < 1473464034 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :My apologies < 1473464054 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is a good pun < 1473464062 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But since English has so many redundant synonyms, I'm always guessing the former by default. < 1473464096 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas, a lot of English synonyms have different connotations. < 1473464112 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cocoonnotations? < 1473464114 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are very few "true synonyms" < 1473464116 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :According to this book, beautiful men are rare: http://www.rulit.me/books/the-gone-away-world-read-423517-65.html < 1473464129 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, I'd say Chris Hemsworth is one < 1473464141 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Ben was the rarest of things, a genuinely beautiful man. Good-looking men are commonplace, and beautiful woman are not rare. Male beauty, capable of overcoming the stigma attached to it and undeniable, is one in many hundreds of thousands." < 1473464145 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that true? < 1473464147 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :who knows < 1473464170 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I once saw a really beautiful man at university but I think he graduated before I got the chance to tell him so < 1473464183 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why would you tell someone so? < 1473464210 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cousin Itt and the Thing are really quite distinct. < 1473464216 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"dateless" most people would think meant "unable to go to prom" but actually means "eternal" < 1473464216 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: It's p. true: https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=beautiful+man%2Cbeautiful+woman < 1473464219 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it is more likely to make him happy than to make him sad < 1473464243 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you tell someone they're beautiful, it might make them happier. < 1473464251 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But is it at the cost of making all people who aren't beautiful sadder? < 1473464256 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1473464266 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :By attaching too much value to beauty of people? < 1473464269 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most people who aren't beautiful wouldn't have heard me say he's beautiful < 1473464298 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nonetheless. < 1473464328 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"diaper" meant "towel" to shakespeare < 1473464329 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin is going to read a story this weekend -- I believe it's the very last one in the book -- which is about lookism. < 1473464361 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? vampire < 1473464362 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vampires are a wizarding myth Professor Lupin invented to make students hate Professor Snape even more, after Professor Snape almost made the students realize he's a werewolf. < 1473464363 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"imperious" meant "majestic" to shakespeare < 1473464375 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :...imperious does mean majestic, doesn't it < 1473464382 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like an emperor < 1473464388 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What else does it mean? < 1473464389 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: "fantastic" meant "unrealistic" rather than "excellent" to Heinlein. < 1473464395 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: And that was in the 1950s or something. < 1473464417 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what < 1473464430 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: so new editions should translate the words < 1473464446 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But good translations are hard. < 1473464450 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\, it's just a different dialect, should American books be translated in British publication? < 1473464453 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not leave them the same and append ever increasing numbers of footnotes < 1473464454 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1473464458 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: well duh, disposable diapers didn't exist back then. They were a rarity (in Eastern Europe) even when I was a baby, so I grown up with textile diapers on my ass and my parents had to wash them. How could Shakespeare had known? < 1473464465 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: British books are translated in American publications, aren't they? < 1473464476 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, I don't know, I've never bought a book in the US < 1473464482 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"imperious" => is that even a word? < 1473464499 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The first book of harry potter was "the sorceror's stone" in the USA < 1473464523 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: yes and it means something like "overbearing" to a modern person < 1473464546 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to bed now < 1473464549 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goodnight! < 1473464564 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: what do you think of calliagnosia twh < 1473464572 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: It's a misspelling of impervious hth < 1473464593 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: I see. I mean, there's an M:tG card with "Imperious" in its name, but there are M:tG cards with all sorts of crazy rare English words, so that doesn't mean much < 1473464729 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Apparently BigQuery doesn't support proto data? #scow < 1473464823 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1473465009 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"jaded" meant "contemptible" to Shakespeare < 1473465029 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"contemptible" isn't even a word, is it? < 1473465042 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: How can that even be a thing. < 1473465088 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I'm sure it'll all turn into protos somewhere deep in the machine. < 1473465093 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I'm sure. < 1473465108 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably even somewhere shallow in the machine. < 1473465116 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everything turns into protos. < 1473465130 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Have you seen that "two kinds of jobs" meme-image? < 1473465132 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that doesn't help you if all you can upload is CSV data. < 1473465143 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: it is. it means "worthy of being hated" < 1473465147 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I'm not sure... < 1473465194 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1473465205 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I'd share it but I'm sure it's company confidential. < 1473465237 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh thank god < 1473465241 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just found my missing cat < 1473465266 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :All images generated by the meme-image-generator-machine are confidential. < 1473465274 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"vulgar" meant "of the people" in Shakespeare's time < 1473465293 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. This one's from 2012, so I presume you might have seen it, though I doubt it's super-popular. < 1473465344 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've probably seen it. < 1473465350 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It sounds vaguely familiar. < 1473465388 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: What format would you use to store a log file containing protos? < 1473465460 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Getting back to BigQuery, there seems to be something called Avro import (Apache thing with JSON-based schemas and proto-like binary wire format), and also something something Cloud Datastore. Though you're right -- no protos. < 1473465500 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: The point of this would be queries on nested/heterogeneous data. < 1473465565 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what's good for that, if anything. < 1473465583 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Other than Dremel? < 1473465617 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1473465710 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Outside of Dremel, I think it's all just JSON all the way down. < 1473465782 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :JSON is scow. < 1473465860 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :JSON with one line per object, and then you just parse it over and over and over again when looking for something. < 1473465871 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: What if you semi-index it? < 1473465879 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you see that paper? < 1473465892 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.di.unipi.it/~ottavian/files/semi_index_cikm.pdf < 1473465895 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably not. < 1473465939 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway the point is that I want more structure than JSON has. < 1473465969 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: talk to zzo38 about that then < 1473465999 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why? < 1473466016 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :One kind of thing with more structure is to use RDF. < 1473466023 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : \ is upper-case | in IRC. <-- if those old charsets had stayed on, i might have been \rjan < 1473466024 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another thing is protobuf. < 1473466034 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Regarding the paper, sounds clever but why wouldn't you just ColumnIO(/Capacitor). < 1473466034 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it's not too late hth < 1473466036 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you are doing text markup though, then XML might work. < 1473466070 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages- < 1473466071 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie said 14h 28m 20s ago: I didn't realize filter 9 effectively disables anonymous editing; turning it off "properly" SGTM. < 1473466079 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: If you can pre-parse things and put them in your own format, of course something human-readable like JSON isn't going to be as good. < 1473466092 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: ARGH < 1473466106 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: What? < 1473466110 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats shachaf for making a fake @ask -----### < 1473466113 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't want to spam the channel. < 1473466152 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i use to count the number of lambdabot messages compared to what's in the log to see if it's safe to use @-loud hth < 1473466164 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :RDF is a easily readable/writable format too. Let's see what you need to make? In some cases, a binary format will work better < 1473466165 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Oh, I see. < 1473466172 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I didn't realize that. v. clever < 1473466174 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, what programming language you are using. < 1473466183 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I like proto. < 1473466190 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: What do you think of Cap'n Proto? < 1473466199 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, is RDF a easily readable/writable format too? Let's see what you need to make? In some cases, a binary format will work better < 1473466208 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fortunately fizzie's message doesn't look overly confidential :) < 1473466218 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm... < 1473466224 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such as, JavaScript will have JSON built-in and I wrote a library to read/write RDF too. < 1473466226 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to figure out if there's a gambit for something I'm looking for < 1473466253 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of our cats escaped sometime yesterday, and today after coming home from school I decided to look around and found him in one of the neighbor's yards < 1473466287 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: fizzie's message was in the channel too. < 1473466298 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :He couldn't have gotten in over the fence (he's old, a bit fat, and was declawed by the previous owners; he would have a hard time climbing the fence) < 1473466315 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Now I see what happened. You missed fizzie's message in the log, so the 1 lambdabot reported matched the 1 you saw. < 1473466324 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And therefore it tricked you into revealing a message you thought was secret. < 1473466326 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :He couldn't have jumped it either, because I don't think I've ever seen him jump nearly high enough (and even if he could, he'd be way too scared) < 1473466333 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hpp: went through a hole through the fence? isn't that what cats normally do? < 1473466334 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought you were just confused by 1<2 < 1473466337 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : @ask oerjan was that pun truly an accident? twh <-- which pun twh < 1473466342 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: That was my next possibility < 1473466356 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :He could've climbed in other, but I'm pretty sure he was stuck in their yard < 1473466364 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: "insidious" hth < 1473466369 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I think when I was reading about it, all the arguments made sense, more or less, but something in the style of the writing made me feel bad on behalf of protobufs. I mean the format itself. < 1473466373 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cats can climb through holes you'd think are impossible to climb through. they have like epic skills. < 1473466388 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Well, the author of capnproto is the author of proto2. < 1473466392 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: Yeah, but this looked thin even for a cat < 1473466437 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, usually I'd just think he HAD managed to squeeze in and just couldn't get out for some reason (which seems unlikely) < 1473466450 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hpp: another hole you didn't notice then? < 1473466468 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: I could look for another hole, but for now let's assume this is the only hole < 1473466483 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also, their fence has only two sides, as this is a neighborhood of duplexes) < 1473466491 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I know, that's why I didn't feel bad for the author, just poor old proto2 itself. It's pretty irrational, but that's what soured me on the whole thing. Well, that and the name. < 1473466492 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: itym "fiendish" < 1473466499 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And the yards are only about 5 metres on edge) < 1473466500 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1473466512 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yes, "insidious" was really an accident. < 1473466516 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: But the reason I'm suspicious is that we've had trouble with these particular neighbors before < 1473466523 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :afa my conscious mind is concerned, anyway. < 1473466532 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: fiendish < 1473466564 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :One day last year when one of our other cats (much younger, much more cat-like) got out, they came over to complain about it < 1473466572 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hpp: could someone have opened the gate of your yard? < 1473466582 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: No, we think we know how he got out < 1473466596 0 :Moonythedwarf!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: quick question: why is there no node.js & npm on hackego? :P < 1473466596 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: I'm wondering about why he was there < 1473466611 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because apparently she was showing up in their yard and they were annoyed because they were trying to attract birds < 1473466619 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cats go where they please < 1473466636 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: I don't think he wanted to be there, because he was starving when I found him < 1473466659 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Moonythedwarf: That's a Gregor question, really. < 1473466662 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1473466667 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: you should be happy. one of my mom's friends' cat sneaked into a cellar room somewhere and they didn't find it until it had starved to death hth < 1473466669 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So one of them (a woman) came over to complain about it (she apparently did not understand that pumpkin would not stay inside) < 1473466677 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Now I'm sad < 1473466691 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And she pretty much walked directly into out house < 1473466701 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, we answered the door and she just stepped inside to start complaining < 1473466769 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Note for foreigners who may or may not have the same customs (I don't know if this varies): In the US, someone answering the door is not an invitation to enter. It's EXTREMELY rude, and a little bit aggressive, to walk in without an explicit invitation) < 1473466788 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1473466799 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I found him in their yard today, seemingly trapped < 1473466850 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of our neighbors (probably the same one) brought the youngcat (Pumpkin) to the pound today < 1473466873 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hpp: my brother otld me stories about their cat and the evil neighbor, but not quite the same story. < 1473466892 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: oh. i didn't really "miss" the message, but since i'd already reached the count i didn't keep searching for more. < 1473466894 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And my best guess is that Pete went to their house when he realized he was ready to come home thinking it was ours (they're 2 doors down, so the same side of the duplex) and started complaining < 1473466896 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :evil neighbors hating your cat must be a trope or something < 1473466905 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: It's a thing, definitely < 1473466931 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And they had already dealt with a cat today, so they just grabbed him and put him in their back yard until they could take him to the pound too < 1473467083 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I believe when I first saw him, he was in front of their back door wanting to get in- their back door is different from ours, so he probably didn't think it was us, and he would've just left if he could- but he was complaining to try to get inside, as if he'd already been in there) < 1473467125 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knocked on their door to ask if I could enter their back yard, but no one seemed to be home, so I eventually just opened their gate on my own, got him out as quickly as possible (it took longer than expected because he went and hid so I had to get food), and left < 1473467160 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So if they did trap him, they don't know that I showed up and retrieved him, and they may not know he's gone < 1473467190 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If he was just there and they had nothing to do with it, they won't know he was there at all (or they'd have just shooed him away) < 1473467211 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I'm wondering if there's some sort of gambit (like a Batman Gambit or a Xanatos Gambit) that we could use to see which it is based on what knowledge they have < 1473467264 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1473467273 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Moonythedwarf: That's a Gregor question, really. <-- i thought there _was_ node.js somewhere and a program that used it. although perhaps not in the usual path. of course npm won't work assuming that needs network. < 1473467287 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: Any ideas? < 1473467291 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mmmaybe. < 1473467322 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is a js interpreter at least, I think. < 1473467355 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clearly npm won't work but I think probably Node.js should be added on HackEgo < 1473467369 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My best idea is to pretend we haven't found him yet and ask if we can check their yard < 1473467372 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But, omit npm) < 1473467373 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: btw in norway most cats roam freely, so someone like your neighbor would probably be laughed at. < 1473467382 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yeah < 1473467393 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should add version 5 or 6 < 1473467417 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` rhino < 1473467468 0 :Moonythedwarf!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :PRogram i have (clone of mr polybot's calculator for starts) _requires_ node to run < 1473467484 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if they say no, the most likely case is they think he's there and they don't want us to know we trapped him < 1473467510 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if they know he's gone, they have nothing to lose < 1473467555 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alternatively, we could say we just saw him back there, but then they might say yes even if they DO know he's there so that we don't think they're suspicious < 1473467562 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Do you know of any sort of gambit that'd work here? < 1473467581 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hpp: sorry, I'm very bad at social engineering, so I'm definitely the wrong person to ask about this. maybe try one of the other nerds here. < 1473467588 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, yes < 1473467721 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who here was the expert on differential forms? < 1473467723 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan? < 1473467791 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]> (Note for foreigners who may or may not have the same customs (I don't know if this varies): <-- certainly rude in norway unless you know someone very well < 1473467794 0 :Moonythedwarf!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can install the other requirements (packages) via the power of < 1473467814 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Figured, seems like one of the more universal customs < 1473467990 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, who here CAN do some social engineering? < 1473468009 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Moonythedwarf: what? < 1473468136 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : And I'm wondering if there's some sort of gambit (like a Batman Gambit or a Xanatos Gambit) that we could use to see which it is based on what knowledge they have <-- hah, i was tempted to try that the other day in this channel. but i decided to let it go. you know who you are, unless it was the other one hth < 1473468187 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hpp: although I was quite proud today of a completely accidental piece of social engineering I've done that might or might not have even worked < 1473468194 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really engineering either < 1473468199 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...wookipedia has...http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Color < 1473468255 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I commented on the blog of one geek person to point at the blog of another geek person with very similar interests, and now the first one seems to read the second one's blog, and backwards, which is a good thing, right? < 1473468315 0 :_46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric :a very good thing < 1473468318 0 :_46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're a matchmaker < 1473468349 0 :_46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPa0TiCuvR4 < 1473468366 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: seems reasonable to me < 1473468536 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : oerjan? <-- certainly not. i might be able to remember the basics if i try hard, which i don't feel like. < 1473468778 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, you do that product of formal variables divided out by antisymmetry thing < 1473468796 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so x ^ x = 0 and x ^ y = - (y ^ x) < 1473468812 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose you'd usually put dx or dy < 1473468826 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but these can be general vector space elements < 1473468836 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? differential forms < 1473468837 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :differential forms? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1473468843 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is QUIT :Quit: Zarutian < 1473468850 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? tanebventions: math < 1473468851 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathematical tanebventions include D-modules, Chu spaces, the torus, Stephen Wolfram, Klein bottles, the reals, Lambek's lemma, pointless topology, locales, and histograms. < 1473468861 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb didn't invent differential forms? < 1473468892 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :`?differential forms < 1473468892 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: ?differential: not found < 1473468897 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? differential forms < 1473468898 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :differential forms? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1473468902 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1473468905 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :He invented D-modules. < 1473468911 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1473468926 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have a basis { e_i } for a vector space, then the corresponding n-forms have basis elements like e_i_1 ^ e_i_2 ^ ... ^ e_i_n where i is increasing < 1473468953 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*strictly increasing < 1473468956 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then you do antisymmetric tensor products < 1473468965 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes, that's what you mean by the ^ < 1473468968 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: So unordered sets of basis elements? < 1473468969 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it should be spelled /\ though < 1473468990 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: ok, i'm going by vague memory here < 1473469003 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you're doing a good job for not feeling like remembering the basics tdh < 1473469010 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: no, not just unordered sets. antisymmetric tensor products < 1473469021 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: no, they're ordered, but you only do the increasing ones because the others are equivalent to the increasing ones times a sign by antisymmetry < 1473469038 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or you could do only decreasing, i guess. < 1473469055 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that not equivalent? < 1473469094 0 :carado!~carado@2a01:e34:ec1e:2390:8341:b3f5:2d6:41fa QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1473469128 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: well i guess. you're supposed to extend ^ to arbitrary vectors though < 1473469151 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant that those are the basis elements, which you can then define ^ in terms of. < 1473469152 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which requires keeping track of sign of the permutations < 1473469155 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But maybe that doesn't simplify anything. < 1473469190 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: well i guess it might. < 1473469240 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway I thought dx was usually vector in the cotangent space or something like that? < 1473469243 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you would define e_i_1 ^ e_i_2 ^ e_i_3 ... more generally as {i_1, ..., i_n} times the sign of the permutation < 1473469275 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: well sure, after you've defined this, you apply it to cotangent bundles or what it was < 1473469295 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yes, of which the e are a basis of < 1473469363 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose you don't have to go via basis, but can just do it abstractly as a quotient, but the basis helps with calculations? < 1473469425 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: the basis gives the definition, but then of course you have to prove this stuff is consistent as in if you change the basis you can extend the change of basis to the antisymmetric tensor product space such that it keeps the antisymmetric tensor product operation. < 1473469464 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is important, because you need change of basis if you can't give a single basis everywhere on the manifold < 1473469509 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : oerjan: you're doing a good job for not feeling like remembering the basics tdh <-- i started feeling a little better hth < 1473469540 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then you need to define the antisymmetric differential operator (denoted by a mirrored six) which takes (a suitably smooth functions from the manifold to one of these spaces) to (a suitably smooth function from the manifold to the next one of these spaces), < 1473469556 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the big surprise is that mirrored six composited to mirrored six turns out to be zero! < 1473469561 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, there's some stuff with duals. < 1473469567 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno what I'm talking about either. < 1473469575 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: Mirrored six? Isn't this one usually just written as d? < 1473469578 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I think there are nerds on the internet who do this. < 1473469585 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yeah, it's a d, I'm just stupid < 1473469616 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: i suppose the antisymmetric tensor product is the universal object through which you can factor antisymmetric linear functions. which might be more to shachaf's liking. < 1473469641 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: uh, that sounds nice, I've no idea what it means < 1473469653 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1473469663 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, dunno < 1473469753 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it means that if you have U and V, then U /\ V is a vector space such that for any W, and any antisymmetric bilinear function f : (U, V) -> W, there is a unique g : U /\ V -> W such that f = g o (/\) < 1473469763 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something very close to that. < 1473469784 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if you dropped the antisymmetric, you'd get the usual tensor product this way) < 1473469859 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now, the next step is to note that the basis definition fulfils this, after which you can essentially throw it away and use the universal property from there on. < 1473469874 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm < 1473469885 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you cannot use different U and V there < 1473469907 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1473469909 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means, i guess, you need to consider all U /\ U /\ ... /\ U simultaneously < 1473469933 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: antisymmetry makes no sense if you're not starting with identical vector spaces < 1473469941 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just realized that < 1473469943 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds true but I don't really understand what the point of that is. that doesn't sound like factoring, it just sounds like extending, < 1473469961 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :where you define the function g such that f gives its value on the basis elements of the tensor-product space < 1473469970 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: well it's a category theoretical universal property, they all look like that. < 1473469981 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1473469995 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: but how does the antisymmetric derivative and the duality come into all this? < 1473470011 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: the thing is, once you have done this, the fact that it's all invariant under basis changes becomes completely trivial < 1473470032 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? why? < 1473470066 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, the part where what becomes invariant? < 1473470075 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because universal objects defined by the same universal property are automatically isomorphic. < 1473470122 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1473470123 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: well the universal property gives you a definition of /\ which does not speak about the basis of the original spaces < 1473470136 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1473470201 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's true that it doesn't speak about the basis of U^n, but does it completely determine the U/\.../\U space? < 1473470356 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, up to isomorphism. < 1473470376 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :consider if you had two objects fulfilling this. < 1473470410 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :T1 and T2, with corresponding embeddings /\_1 and /\_2 < 1473470424 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, I'm looking what crazy category theory argument you're going to pull on me < 1473470451 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :universal properties are tg < 1473470489 0 :lambda-11235!~lambda-11@184.63.207.209 JOIN :#esoteric < 1473470527 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :then note that f (v1, ..., vn) = v1 /\_2 v2 /\_ ... /\_ vn is an antisymmetric multilinear function, so by the universal property of T1, you have g : T1 -> T2 such that f = g o (... /\_1 ... /\_1 ...) (i hope you can guess what the notation means) < 1473470549 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :er missed some 2's up there < 1473470581 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh of course the property should also say that g is linear < 1473470600 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, you need linearity everywhere < 1473470614 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the other way you get g' : T2 -> T1, and it's easy to show g and g' are inverses. < 1473470626 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus T1 and T2 are isomorphic. < 1473470659 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, something like that probably works < 1473470663 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :typical category theory stuff < 1473470665 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is just about how these arguments always go. < 1473470674 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1473470716 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't take this in a bad way, I also do such abstract arguments sometimes, I just also like the humor in how we do them instead of the more easy to understand concrete stuff it translates to < 1473470744 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's maybe only hard to understand because you made him spell it out. < 1473470753 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Otherwise you can just say that it's a universal property. < 1473470762 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or that it's initial in some category or something. < 1473470774 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that just makes it worse! < 1473470792 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The trouble is describing the category that you care about, but you need to do that anyway, except you normally do it implicitly. < 1473470832 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: of course half the point is that once you have seen one case of this, you don't really have to relearn it completely for the next case < 1473470847 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure! < 1473470858 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's a one time cost, after which you can use universal properties everywhere < 1473470874 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :universal properties are the best < 1473470912 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're p. good < 1473470916 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's how all this abstract maths stuff works. you prove some crazy general theorem and then hope you can use it more than once < 1473470927 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well, they have to be the best < 1473470931 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what universality is hth < 1473470932 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :the pgraph minors theorem is stupid < 1473470936 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :*graph < 1473470943 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :pooch graph < 1473470944 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: well in theory they could also be the worst < 1473470953 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf JOIN :#esoteric < 1473470956 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :itym cobest hth < 1473470962 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :COKAY < 1473470974 0 :Moonythedwarf!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1473471292 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: ok, so was there something more specific about differential forms you wanted to know? I presume you didn't just want to find out why the wedge tensor product is well-defined. < 1473471307 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that was pretty good. < 1473471321 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got a book about smooth manifolds so I think maybe I'll read that. < 1473471330 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, but I still don't know what's up with the d operator and the duals < 1473471399 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I know once you do the d o d = 0 theorem generally, you'll get about five of those basic integral theorems on R**2 and R**3 that have fancy individual names, like the Green's theorem and stuff. < 1473471416 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But still. < 1473471428 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, Stokes' theorem is obviously the best one. < 1473471474 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :green's theorem is like warm-up. < 1473471486 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I think one of the goals for working with differentiable functions on manifolds is to be able to define invariants of manifolds, as in topological invariants or differentiable invariants, < 1473471504 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which you can use that two manifolds are not isomorphic in some way, < 1473471513 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is Stokes' theorem an adjunction? < 1473471529 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and eventually prove rigorously that a donut isn't a sphere. < 1473471595 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not even up to homotopically equivalence. < 1473471606 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is kind of nice to know, and pretty hard to prove otherwise I think. < 1473471619 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: that's not too hard since they have different fundamental groups. < 1473471694 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure how much differentiable stuff helps with proving topological invariants, i didn't learn it that way. < 1473471779 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: now, proving that R^m is not R^n for m/=n is a bit harder. < 1473471883 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you distinguish wisdom entries by their fundamental grep? < 1473471909 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes hth < 1473472018 0 :lambda-11235!~lambda-11@184.63.207.209 PART #esoteric :"Bye" < 1473472021 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I think physicists use this differentiable forms on manifolds stuff too, for some physical reasons. Maybe they want basis-invariant physical laws because they find them nicer or something. < 1473472296 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User talk:Malbranche14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=49700 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+158) 10Thanks! < 1473472373 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User talk:Malbranche14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=49701&oldid=49700 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+23) 10Um there was more < 1473472461 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: general relativity has coordinate-invariance as one of its fundamental principles. < 1473472548 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and iirc, in other cases, it helps determining which properties of your physical system are really fundamental rather than just an accident of description. < 1473472642 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1473472664 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But what I don't get is, why is the d operator actually important? Does it have some sort of universal property? < 1473472669 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i recall reading terry tao used differential geometry when investigating variants of fluid dynamics recently. < 1473472672 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1473472754 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is it that singles out the d operator (up to constant factor) from the other ((M->U^/\n)->(M->U^/\(n+1))) operators? < 1473472809 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well general relativity doesn't use that d iirc, unless there's a reformulation which does < 1473472826 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it wasn't based on antisymmetry) < 1473472829 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@ppp-119-76-122-163.revip17.asianet.co.th JOIN :#esoteric < 1473472881 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: it might be that dd = 0 determines it up to equivalence, or something... < 1473472900 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, dd= 0 is the property you want for things that define homologies. < 1473472923 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(aka i don't really know the answer) < 1473472943 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait hm < 1473473290 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : I thought so, but then someone in another channel said it was a Google thing. <-- sounds google to me < 1473473599 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: dd = 0 can't determine it alone, you need some other property too < 1473473690 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@ppp-119-76-122-163.revip17.asianet.co.th QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1473473692 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, if dd=0 is the only thing you want, then why couldn't you just move U^/\n in place with some non-singular linear transform to itself but leave the U^/\k for all k!=n alone? < 1473473699 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would change d. < 1473473743 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There has to be something that treats U^/\n as more than just a vector space. < 1473473747 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably stokes' theorem is what makes it important. < 1473473836 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That doesn't explain anything. < 1473473841 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, de Rham's theorem is what i was looking for. < 1473473850 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is stokes theorem important, as in, why do you want a theorem about that particular differential form? < 1473473922 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :De Rham's theorem? Dunno, I feel there has to be some lower level explanation than that. < 1473473946 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has to involve /\ somewhere. < 1473473975 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in /\ on the vectors, not /\ on the vector spaces. < 1473473982 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh well, I dunno, good night. < 1473473985 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1473474050 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@ppp-119-76-122-163.revip17.asianet.co.th JOIN :#esoteric < 1473474199 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell wob_jonas i mean that stokes' theorem tells you how to get d from integration, essentially. < 1473474199 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1473474271 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell wob_jonas oh, and of course i mean the _generalized_ stokes' theorem, that includes all the special cases like green's theorem. < 1473474271 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1473474332 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1473474855 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what fraction of all english words would you guess are ALL CAPS < 1473475033 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<\oren\> If he wins, the cold war is over, with victory to Russia <-- you make it sound like a good thing < 1473475308 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloerjan < 1473475343 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hitopia < 1473475345 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :food -> < 1473475652 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1473475702 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1473475951 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? os < 1473475951 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Os is the accusative plural of us. Also a municipality in Norway. < 1473476820 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Hmm, Apache Drill might be able to do it. < 1473476848 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1473476857 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :drill drill baby < 1473476887 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops permute that < 1473477112 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1473477399 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i was testing things < 1473477411 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i made a http request to icanhazip.com with netcat < 1473477421 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :try it ^ < 1473477483 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is so cool, i'll write them < 1473477551 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Also I can convert to JSON and then query for many use cases. < 1473477556 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: You recommend jq for that? < 1473478604 0 :bibibi!~bibibi@64.137.202.202 QUIT :Quit: bibibi < 1473478637 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell gamemanj I wonder why so many people are unaffiliated? <-- it's the only cloak you can get if you're not part of a group that's officially on freenode, me thinks < 1473478637 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1473478694 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you might prefer to get it even if you are affiliated. < 1473478721 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i rephrased myself in the middle of writing that because of that < 1473478918 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: That work good. < 1473479022 0 :bibibi!~bibibi@64.137.202.202 JOIN :#esoteric < 1473479028 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It supports headerless HTTP even; that is very good. < 1473479104 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I can more easily check what is my global IP address, because I made a shell script of it. < 1473479123 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I have a router, so the computer's own IP address is not the same as the address accessible by internet.) < 1473479509 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you are using other format and then convert to JSON and then query for many use cases, is there a JavaScript module to do that with? If there is no such things on npm then I or you could add those program on < 1473479607 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: And Chrome just deprecated HTTP/0.9, too... :) < 1473479669 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :too soon < 1473479720 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1473479758 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: That shouldn't matter much since it is the client rather than the server. < 1473479801 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :True, it only really prevents Chrome from working with HTTP/0.9-only servers, while servers are still perfectly free to still support HTTP/0.9-only clients. < 1473479825 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's probably nearly zero HTTP/0.9-only servers. Or clients for that matter, but it's also lower impact to support for servers. < 1473479864 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is useful for the server to support it for use with clients that are not HTTP clients, mainly. < 1473479876 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm often an HTTP/0.9 client. < 1473479943 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's trivial to tell if a request is an HTTP/0.9 request, unlike for responses. < 1473479971 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :With responses, you start getting not-headers and it *might* be an HTTP/0.9 response, or it might be some server being busted. < 1473479983 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :With requests, you see the "GET" line doesn't have a verrsion number. < 1473480061 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. Making a HTTP client working with HTTP/0.9-only servers is probably a bit messy anyways, so a client should not need this functionality. It is a very useful functionality for servers to have though. (If a HTTP client does want to support HTTP/0.9-only servers too, it should probably be a user option.) < 1473480281 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(If you don't need support for HTTP headers and stuff in your server, don't make a HTTP/0.9-only server; make a gopher server instead.) < 1473480304 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, no one uses Gopher. < 1473480321 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :make it a http 1.0 server maybe? < 1473480334 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i heard that http 1.0 supports http 1.0 headers < 1473480634 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, you can support HTTP/0.9 and HTTP/1.0 in one server; implement both. You don't need a HTTP/0.9-only server though. < 1473480692 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :A simple HTTP/1.0 client isn't too bad either, for that matter. < 1473480709 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@ppp-119-76-122-163.revip17.asianet.co.th QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1473480765 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, and it is a good idea for any HTTP client to support that. However, the server probably ought to support HTTP/0.9 too. < 1473480788 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Considering HTTP/1.0 requires it from servers, I agree. :) < 1473480831 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq | A simple HTTP/1.0 client isn't too bad either, for that matter. <- then why are they taking so long to develop chrome and firefox?!? < 1473480896 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because those do a *lot* more than HTTP/1.0. < 1473480911 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1473481040 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07FuckbeEs14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=49702 5* 0312Me21 5* (+1928) 10created the page lol XD < 1473481087 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07FuckbeEs14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=49703&oldid=49702 5* 0312Me21 5* (+10) 10added proper file extension < 1473481145 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07FuckbeEs14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=49704&oldid=49703 5* 0312Me21 5* (-143) 10removed influenced because LIES < 1473481217 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(written in BASIC) < 1473481234 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :trololo < 1473481251 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07FuckbeEs14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=49705&oldid=49704 5* 0312Me21 5* (+0) 10replaced [] with the correct symbols < 1473481323 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hrm, I once again have an Internet-connected DOS VM. < 1473481329 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :If only I had *any* use for such a machine. < 1473481378 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you in Colorado? < 1473481418 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if e tries to edit the Main Page too, e gets a block. < 1473481564 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :admittedly featuring it _might_ have some positive effects, in theory. < 1473481817 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oavMtUWDBTM < 1473481848 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :once again I have been wtching this over and over for half an hour < 1473481932 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1473482050 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly QUIT :Quit: Goodbye < 1473482212 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Not quite yet. < 1473482378 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1473482387 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=astISOttCQ0 < 1473482823 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3owVbVZNKs < 1473482826 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask Taneb Never whence being taken as when <-- what about twice? < 1473482826 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1473482843 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok now I'm just linking crazy memes of the earyl 2000's < 1473483065 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NL6CDFn2i3I < 1473483154 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you make up a esoteric programming language called "Main Page", then what are you going to do about it? < 1473483181 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or even, a book or movie or anything called "Main Page", and if a Wikipedia article should be needed.) < 1473483466 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17FEtaiWdVg < 1473483817 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1473484074 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Cousin Itt and the Thing are really quite distinct. <-- one is handsome, the other is hair < 1473484320 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly QUIT :Excess Flood < 1473484582 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1473486931 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1473487651 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :*.net *.split < 1473487651 0 :puckipedia!~puck@irc.puckipedia.com QUIT :*.net *.split < 1473487651 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe QUIT :*.net *.split < 1473487651 0 :sewilton!sid32560@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lignxibetvgbrotb QUIT :*.net *.split < 1473487651 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@LFbn-1-3085-42.w90-79.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :*.net *.split < 1473487651 0 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw1-54fa3f-129.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :*.net *.split < 1473487651 0 :staffehn!~quassel@2001:41d0:52:d00::1d3 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1473487651 0 :pelegreno!~cinch@107.170.175.57 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1473487651 0 :APic!apic@apic.name QUIT :*.net *.split < 1473487651 0 :hydraz!matheus@unaffiliated/demhydraz QUIT :*.net *.split < 1473487651 0 :mtve!~mtve@10130.x.rootbsd.net QUIT :*.net *.split < 1473487651 0 :Caesura!~Aedile@cpe-174-100-169-144.neo.res.rr.com QUIT :*.net *.split < 1473487651 0 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :*.net *.split < 1473487652 0 :shikhin!shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :*.net *.split < 1473487652 0 :trn!jhj@trnsz.com QUIT :*.net *.split < 1473487652 0 :xfix!~xfix@unaffiliated/xfix QUIT :*.net *.split < 1473487652 0 :MDude!~MDude@pa-67-234-97-58.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :*.net *.split < 1473487652 0 :ski!~ski@remote11.chalmers.se QUIT :*.net *.split < 1473487652 0 :JX7P!~IRIX@freebsd/user/kastengraeber QUIT :*.net *.split < 1473487652 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1473487652 0 :pdxleif!~pdxleif@ec2-54-68-166-10.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com QUIT :*.net *.split < 1473487652 0 :ocharles!sid30093@musicbrainz/user/ocharles QUIT :*.net *.split < 1473487652 0 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1473487652 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot QUIT :*.net *.split < 1473487652 0 :Guest66666!~kragniz@nyaa.kragniz.eu QUIT :*.net *.split < 1473487652 0 :sirnaysayer!~naysayer@104.244.72.181 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1473487652 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b QUIT :*.net *.split < 1473487653 0 :Tiktalik!~tiktalik@unaffiliated/tiktalik QUIT :*.net *.split < 1473487749 0 :pelegreno!~cinch@107.170.175.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1473488589 0 :ocharles!sid30093@musicbrainz/user/ocharles JOIN :#esoteric < 1473488704 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1473488704 0 :puckipedia!~puck@irc.puckipedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1473488704 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe JOIN :#esoteric < 1473488704 0 :sewilton!sid32560@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lignxibetvgbrotb JOIN :#esoteric < 1473488704 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@LFbn-1-3085-42.w90-79.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1473488704 0 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw1-54fa3f-129.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1473488704 0 :staffehn!~quassel@2001:41d0:52:d00::1d3 JOIN :#esoteric < 1473489824 0 :shikhin!shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1473490719 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If one were to write the time as 24:10, would Europe scorn one? < 1473490738 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would < 1473490743 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure about eu < 1473490897 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Base prime: Given the standard functions along with the additional pmor(x) and ples(x), which return the smallest prime number greater than x and the greatest prime number less than x (fallback on 0) respectively < 1473490951 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bprime(n) := ples(n)+(n-ples(n))/(pmor(n)-ples(n)) < 1473490962 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait < 1473491032 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bprime(n) := primenum(ples(n))+(n-ples(n))/(pmor(n)-ples(n)), where primenum(p) takes a prime p and returns its index (primenum(2) = 1, primenum(3) = 2, primenum(5) = 3, 7 -> 4, 11 -> 5, 13 -> 6, etc.) < 1473491039 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that looks right < 1473491054 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :right now it's 26:04 < 1473491075 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least, according to my computer < 1473491132 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :irssi is displaying 06:18, I have no idea why < 1473491220 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does a could server end up with such a time offset < 1473491228 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/could/cloud/ < 1473491590 0 :deltab!~deltab@ds6266.dedicated.turbodns.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :in ISO 8601, 24:00:00 is accepted for the instant at the end of a day, equivalent to 00:00:00 of the next day; but otherwise the hour can't be above 23 < 1473491622 0 :deltab!~deltab@ds6266.dedicated.turbodns.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've heard though that tv schedulers use 06 to 30 or so < 1473492508 0 :MoALTz!~no@78-11-247-26.static.ip.netia.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1473492823 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :deltab: Why? < 1473492875 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :deltab: I reformed the calendar. To distinguish dates, they are prefixed with "NRC" and the separator is "~" < 1473493799 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I reformed the year numbering. Year 0 is 1970. this year is 46 < 1473494049 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I recommend jq for the sort of processing I normally do with ... | sed | awk | sed | grep | perl | ... sort of overly complicated shell "oneliners", if you do have JSON data. < 1473494150 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell pikhq There was at least one router with a HTTP/0.9-only admin interface, it made them pause a little. Anyway, ISTR in the end they only deprecated HTTP/0.9 for nonstandard ports for now, since that's what the security concern was (mostly) about. < 1473494189 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@mesages-loud < 1473494207 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :net split? < 1473494228 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :o no, whar iz lamdabot? < 1473494251 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :A long one. < 1473494346 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, rather, my client says 28 people left due to a split, one came back, and then there's a dribble of some other people rejoining, but some are still gone. < 1473494350 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: At least you're still here. < 1473494351 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i didnt build it; its a package from ubuntu and php homes of irc-ignorant fnord worldwide. but i think i know where quack is located...... < 1473494378 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you know a duck's quack doesn't echo? (That's not actually true.) < 1473494513 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3CKZqEiALE < 1473494570 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :since oerjan was complaining I decided to listen to a wider variety of music < 1473494762 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm now I want to play HOI4 < 1473495133 0 :carado!~carado@2a01:e34:ec1e:2390:8341:b3f5:2d6:41fa JOIN :#esoteric < 1473495626 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION notes this song in \oren\'s link that has "Stalin" in nearly every line < 1473495939 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION thinks that was a bit much < 1473495989 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(to listen to) < 1473496327 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1473496422 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1473496569 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION . o O ( Shouldn't the taxonomic group above Kingdom be Empire? ) < 1473496626 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :taxonomic groups are so pre-cladistic, anyway < 1473496667 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yeah? < 1473496692 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: What about horizontal gene transfer? < 1473496755 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't those cross groups, anyway < 1473496760 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yeah < 1473496772 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :what looks better https://arin.ga/JGh7kM/raw vs https://arin.ga/rREUCG/raw < 1473496780 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I do think we need something above Domain that just means "the beginning"; barring panspermia, it would be so we could sort Jovian life against Earth life) < 1473496789 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 3d arrays or 1 4d array? < 1473496799 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :According to WordNet, domain is fine: http://sprunge.us/hcfM < 1473496838 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, huh, Empire is a thing < 1473496856 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prokaryotes vs Eukaryotes < 1473496869 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(spellcheck thinks "Prokaryotes" is a typo of "Protestants") < 1473496883 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: probably written by a catholic < 1473496913 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's also "Legion" < 1473496918 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: In my opinion, if you already have three indices, why not go for broke and have the fourth. < 1473496926 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeeah < 1473496940 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I think we need to resort the species into Democratic Republics instead of Kingdoms) < 1473497117 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Domain -> Kingdom -> Subkingdom -> Infrakingdom -> Superphylum -> Phylum -> Subphylum -> Infraphylum -> Microphylum -> Superclass -> Class -> Subclass -> Infraclass -> Parvclass -> Legion -> Cohort -> Magnorder -> Superorder -> Order -> Suborder -> Infraorder -> Parvorder -> Section [zoology only] -> Superfamily -> Family -> Subfamily -> Supertribe -> Tribe -> Subtribe -> Genus -> Subgenus (Church of the?) -> Section (botany only) -> < 1473497117 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Series -> Species -> Subspecies -> Variety -> Form < 1473497190 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1473498268 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-2hj4tbos9tbg64dw17dked36v.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1473498268 0 :augur!~augur@2601:640:8001:4222:351f:5054:d2be:2e9 JOIN :#esoteric < 1473498268 0 :xfix!~xfix@unaffiliated/xfix JOIN :#esoteric < 1473498268 0 :sirnaysayer!~naysayer@104.244.72.181 JOIN :#esoteric < 1473498268 0 :MDude!~MDude@pa-67-234-97-58.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1473498268 0 :ski!~ski@remote11.chalmers.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1473498268 0 :JX7P!~IRIX@freebsd/user/kastengraeber JOIN :#esoteric < 1473498268 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1473498268 0 :pdxleif!~pdxleif@ec2-54-68-166-10.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1473498268 0 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 JOIN :#esoteric < 1473498268 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot JOIN :#esoteric < 1473498268 0 :Guest66666!~kragniz@nyaa.kragniz.eu JOIN :#esoteric < 1473498268 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b JOIN :#esoteric < 1473498268 0 :Tiktalik!~tiktalik@unaffiliated/tiktalik JOIN :#esoteric < 1473498311 0 :Caesura!~Aedile@cpe-174-100-169-144.neo.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1473498311 0 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1473498311 0 :trn!jhj@trnsz.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1473498319 0 :APic!apic@apic.name JOIN :#esoteric < 1473498319 0 :hydraz!matheus@unaffiliated/demhydraz JOIN :#esoteric < 1473498319 0 :mtve!~mtve@10130.x.rootbsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1473498322 0 :augur!?@? NICK :Guest22293 < 1473498684 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@183.89.39.173 JOIN :#esoteric < 1473499180 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@183.89.39.173 QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1473501301 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1473506146 0 :Guest22293!?@? NICK :augur < 1473506176 0 :augur!?@? NICK :Guest24275 < 1473506203 0 :Guest24275!~augur@2601:640:8001:4222:351f:5054:d2be:2e9 QUIT :Quit: Leaving... < 1473506249 0 :augur_!~augur@2601:640:8001:4222:351f:5054:d2be:2e9 JOIN :#esoteric < 1473506353 0 :augur_!?@? NICK :augur < 1473507021 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1473507221 0 :Janaton!2ef53aba@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.46.245.58.186 JOIN :#esoteric < 1473507275 0 :Janaton!2ef53aba@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.46.245.58.186 QUIT :Client Quit < 1473512896 0 :augur!~augur@2601:640:8001:4222:351f:5054:d2be:2e9 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1473516173 0 :Moonythedwarf!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf JOIN :#esoteric < 1473516779 0 :Cale!~cale@CPEc8d3a35c2cdd-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1473516828 0 :Cale!~cale@CPEc8d3a35c2cdd-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1473518281 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@183.89.39.173 JOIN :#esoteric < 1473520509 0 :Moonythedwarf!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1473520510 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@183.89.39.173 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1473520609 0 :Moonythedwarf!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf JOIN :#esoteric < 1473520882 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@183.89.39.173 JOIN :#esoteric < 1473521047 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@183.89.39.173 QUIT :Client Quit < 1473523616 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is JOIN :#esoteric < 1473524130 0 :MDead!~MDude@pa-67-234-97-58.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1473524298 0 :MDude!~MDude@pa-67-234-97-58.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1473524305 0 :MDead!?@? NICK :MDude < 1473527034 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like this? < 1473527969 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like what? < 1473528338 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :My idea to make new custom Magic: the Gathering card and do you have the idea too? < 1473529178 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :One kind of variant game I thought of would be this: There is a new pseudotype called "main" and each player will have one "main card" which is not a card or object and does not exist in any zone of the game. As a state-based action, if a main token owned by a player does not exist, create a main token owned and controlled by that player, with the characteristics of that player's main card. < 1473529194 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is QUIT :Quit: Zarutian < 1473529320 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Main" is a designation that an object has (somewhat like an object can be a "commander"), and is not a characteristic. Also as a state-based action, any main token controlled by a player different from its owner ceases to exist. < 1473529342 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :These "main card" are different from existing cards < 1473529608 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What sorts of main tokens would there be? < 1473529756 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not quite sure; of course how well game is work depends what is available. They could be any permanent, although I thought mainly some planeswalkers designed specifically to be the main cards, that need some time before you will activate the ultimate ability, although in some cases other types of permanents might also do. < 1473530236 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it doesn't quite work so well perhaps to add the following rule: As a special action you can destroy a main token you own. To do this costs an amount of generic mana equal to the total number of times you used this special action so far including the current instance. < 1473530978 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is JOIN :#esoteric < 1473531025 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1473531040 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is JOIN :#esoteric < 1473531189 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1473531735 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot has returned! < 1473531740 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@botsnack < 1473531740 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1473532038 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm.. I am battling with one of the main problems in computer programming: naming things < 1473532087 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zarutian: What do you try to name? < 1473532126 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :spefically an esoteric language that is pretty much an union of a macro system and primitive recursive functions < 1473532177 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quickbooks support hotline *scnr* < 1473532223 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :(definitions of macros must preceed their usage references to keep the language non turing complete) < 1473532281 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and self referencing is not allowed) < 1473532655 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf JOIN :#esoteric < 1473532782 0 :Moonythedwarf!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1473532894 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you see my problem here < 1473533544 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Irc is the only chat i can really use when i need 1 Mbit/s for a large download :/ < 1473533585 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cute < 1473533632 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thats what i get for using Centurylink < 1473535340 0 :DHeadshot_!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1473535369 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1473535814 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think IRC is a better chat protocol than most other anyways < 1473536190 0 :irctc798!2e173212@gateway/web/freenode/ip.46.23.50.18 JOIN :#esoteric < 1473536331 0 :Kaynato!~Aedile@cpe-174-100-169-144.neo.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1473536385 0 :Zoroaster!~Aedile@v129-22-124-161.VCLIENT.CWRU.Edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1473536512 0 :Caesura!~Aedile@cpe-174-100-169-144.neo.res.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1473536611 0 :Kaynato!~Aedile@cpe-174-100-169-144.neo.res.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1473536687 0 :Caesura!~Aedile@cpe-174-100-169-144.neo.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1473536688 0 :Zoroaster!~Aedile@v129-22-124-161.VCLIENT.CWRU.Edu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1473536802 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends on your focus < 1473536806 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i prefer jabber < 1473537271 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :They should just build any new chat stuff on top of IRC < 1473537315 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :similar to the way C++ is built on top of C < 1473537402 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but hopefully without C++'s habit of adding new systems with no advantage over the old ones < 1473538243 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a Finnish magazine aimed for teenage girls, with a discussion forum for a somewhat wider audience; they used to also have a chat feature on the website; that was built on top of IRC. < 1473538287 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I chatted briefly with the programmers, because they were curious when someone connected to the thing using an actual IRC client. < 1473538336 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wonder if BitlBee is still buzzing along. < 1473538405 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Latest release 2016-03-19, so maybe not entirely dead. < 1473538470 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Impressive, they've now got a way to use Skype that doesn't involve running an actual Skype client. (Goes via web.skype.com.) < 1473538551 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have used actual IRC client when I had previously found only the client included on the webpage but instead I looked at the source so that I can connect by proper IRC client instead. < 1473539230 0 :moonythedwarf_!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1473539445 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1473540243 0 :DHeadshot_!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1473542270 0 :irctc798!2e173212@gateway/web/freenode/ip.46.23.50.18 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1473542586 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 JOIN :#esoteric < 1473542600 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://static02.mediaite.com/themarysue/uploads//2011/01/xmenfamilytree-labeled.jpeg confuses me... < 1473542643 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The key has 6 options (blue solid, teal dotted, red solid, gold dotted, green solid, purple dotted) < 1473542649 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But at the very top is red dotted < 1473542745 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I take it the star on several of Cyclops's offspring indicates some genetic thing? e.g. Phoenix Force? < 1473542760 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This isn't a "read more comics" thing, it's just a "your chart is stupid" thing < 1473543171 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Science flies you to the moon; Religion flies you into buildings, and Science built the thing you were flying, as well as the building." < 1473543243 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION . o O ( Is it possible for two people to have consanguinity >= 1? ) < 1473543275 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION . o O ( Wait, no, I mean >0.5. Obviously =1 is clones (or identical twins), greater is impossible ) < 1473543364 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Has anyone developed the field of love trigonometry? < 1473543563 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion: I guess the guys on TvTropes probably have < 1473543575 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: I think possibly dotted red at top is an in-law sibling (a stepbrother in this case). < 1473543584 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Ah < 1473543606 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1473543729 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: They have http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TriangRelations, which basically just describes all possible 3-node digraphs (with no loops (but yes cycles), repeated edges, or isolated nodes) < 1473543756 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that's more love-graph-theory than love trigonometry < 1473543848 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(They did it pretty well, too, by making sure to exclude isomorphic triangles and such, as they're the same situation where each person is someone else) < 1473543885 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I think of a love triangle, I generally think of triangle #2, which is also called the "Love Cycle" < 1473543915 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't you know that All The Tropes is more better than the TV Tropes? < 1473543935 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? All The Tropes < 1473543941 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A card game where you win if you collect *all* of the tropes. < 1473543955 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: LIES < 1473543966 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Type #3 (a War Scenario) is the traditional kind < 1473544014 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :They are not lies < 1473544239 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1473544392 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, tis-100 dataflow is a bit annoying, but I found the TIS-NET directory (oh no...) < 1473544862 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that the second set of stages? < 1473544876 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1473544891 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1473545000 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :well there's the initial 5x5 segment map... and right now that looks like another of those indeed < 1473545069 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'm still missing two programs for the initial map < 1473545527 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which ones? I think I'm missing one < 1473545546 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :exposure mask viewer and sequence sorter < 1473545581 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, I don't think I implemented the sort < 1473545582 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should get that game running on my new computer. < 1473545608 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should get steam working again < 1473545611 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :the latter is tedious, and the former requires juggling four values... need to try it when I'm not so tired < 1473545633 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should also add you on steam probably < 1473545719 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e doesn't do adding or steam < 1473545735 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or so I heard. < 1473545772 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's mostly true. (I have a community-free, friendless, steam account) < 1473545813 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I've been up for 17 hours, good night < 1473545824 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1473545832 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :'night, int-e < 1473546054 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm missing 'sequence mode calculator' still, it seems. < 1473546076 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everything else in both things are nominal. < 1473546090 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I had some pretty awful solutions for some stuff, though. < 1473546155 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exposure mask viewer was pretty simple, I think. < 1473546190 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :But my sequence sorter is something really crufty. < 1473546291 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa whoa whoa < 1473546308 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :8 nodes and 91 instructions; my one friend on the list has 4 and 57, respectively. < 1473546489 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1473546492 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :My solutions are embarrassing. < 1473546500 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should jam some more later. < 1473546504 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's how I feel about mine. < 1473546558 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is JOIN :#esoteric < 1473547203 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1473547395 0 :augur!~augur@2601:640:8001:4222:529:2577:22c9:ed86 JOIN :#esoteric < 1473547666 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have no idea what all that means < 1473547983 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-2hj4tbos9tbg64dw17dked36v.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1473548534 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a game. < 1473548542 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.zachtronics.com/tis-100/ < 1473549875 0 :Akaibu!uid118096@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xevsifijvsiacjjt QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1473550012 0 :Akaibu!uid118096@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-taijjlcweqkjrwmg JOIN :#esoteric < 1473550213 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1473550302 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1473550496 0 :Melvar`!~melvar@dslb-178-012-189-009.178.012.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1473550579 0 :MoALTz!~no@78-11-247-26.static.ip.netia.com.pl QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1473550669 0 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-178-012-189-009.178.012.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1473550711 0 :Melvar`!?@? NICK :Melvar < 1473550948 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have tried things and failed to figure out how to make a add-on for Node.js < 1473550988 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I auditioned for a web video series and got a part! < 1473551043 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is FFI, but that is slow < 1473551051 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think now I'm going to bed < 1473551113 0 :carado!~carado@2a01:e34:ec1e:2390:8341:b3f5:2d6:41fa QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1473551114 0 :carado!~carado@2a01:e34:ec1e:2390:8341:b3f5:2d6:41fa JOIN :#esoteric < 1473552044 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Which series? < 1473552056 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or which part? < 1473552333 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1473552712 0 :carado!~carado@2a01:e34:ec1e:2390:8341:b3f5:2d6:41fa QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1473552823 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh i like zachtronics games < 1473554143 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1473554352 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1473555185 0 :augur!~augur@2601:640:8001:4222:529:2577:22c9:ed86 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1473556650 0 :Cale_!~cale@CPEc8d3a35c2cdd-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1473556652 0 :Cale_!~cale@CPEc8d3a35c2cdd-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1473556690 0 :Cale_!~cale@CPEc8d3a35c2cdd-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1473556707 0 :Cale!~cale@CPEc8d3a35c2cdd-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1473556715 0 :Cale_!?@? NICK :Cale < 1473556740 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask Taneb was it DWFO? < 1473556740 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1473556764 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? dwfo < 1473556768 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dwfo? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1473556791 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn DWFO is the Doctor Who Fan Orchestra. < 1473556795 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'dwfo': DWFO is the Doctor Who Fan Orchestra. < 1473556832 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it happened to be announced today on a forum i know Taneb sometimes reads < 1473558801 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :clang -Weverything enables the weirdest warnings < 1473558808 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :warning: variable length array used [-Wvla] < 1473558818 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :warning: format string is not a string literal [-Wformat-nonliteral] < 1473558819 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric : printf(format, val); < 1473558849 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :warnings about padding in structs < 1473558882 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :how am i supposed to do these things? o.o < 1473559061 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1473559289 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then enable only the warnings you will need. < 1473559442 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it found a bug :( < 1473559480 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 real bug, 3 harmless-but-ok-lets-change-it bugs and about 180 bogus warnings < 1473559849 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then enable everything and then selectively disable the warnings that you don't want. < 1473560289 0 :augur!~augur@2601:640:8001:4222:fd6e:3edd:771d:4306 JOIN :#esoteric < 1473560499 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :make -B CC=clang 'CFLAGS=-Weverything -O1 -D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2 -Wno-disabled-macro-expansion -Wno-missing-prototypes -Wno-padded -Wno-reserved-id-macro -Wno-date-time -Wno-shorten-64-to-32 -Wno-format-nonliteral -Wno-sign-conversion -Wno-vla -Wno-conversion -Wno-switch-enum -Wno-cast-qual -Wno-unused-macros' < 1473560584 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :make -B CC=clang 'CFLAGS=-Weverything -O1 -D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2 -Wno-disabled-macro-expansion -Wno-missing-prototypes -Wno-padded -Wno-reserved-id-macro -Wno-date-time -Wno-shorten-64-to-32 -Wno-format-nonliteral -Wno-sign-conversion -Wno-vla -Wno-conversion -Wno-switch-enum -Wno-cast-qual -Wno-unused-macros -pedantic -std=c11' < 1473560647 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :that kind of defeats the point of -Weverything -_- < 1473560771 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: i thought the point of -Weverything was to have an option that includes warnings which frequently give false positives; otherwise you use -Wall. < 1473561147 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's funny because it also warns about stuff i didn't write < 1473561161 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fiendish < 1473561164 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. glibc does this in stdio.h #define stderr stderr < 1473561185 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :and -Wdisabled-macro-expansion warns because it's a recursive macro < 1473561561 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1473561663 0 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@194.108.5.201 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1473562232 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1473562239 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does glibc do that in stdio.h? < 1473562362 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because ISO C requires stderr to be a macro. < 1473564528 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, OK < 1473564543 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@183.89.39.173 JOIN :#esoteric < 1473564576 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is that, though? What exactly is caused by it being a macro in this way? < 1473564625 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can understand why it might say that it MAY be a macro, but I don't know why it should say that it MUST be a macro. < 1473564827 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@183.89.39.173 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1473566044 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :My guess is some notable body of pre-ISO C code relied on it, and the ISO standard committee wanted to avoid breaking working code if at all possible. < 1473566070 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the latter isn't part of the guess, just explanation for why the former matters as rationale) < 1473566092 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you rely on that? < 1473566096 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :#ifdef stderr ? < 1473566139 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1473566162 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will grant it's really dumb, but that's still what I'm guessing. < 1473567039 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1473567489 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION . o O ( If we want to specifically refer to a man who is married, could we say "Missus Consort"? ) < 1473568232 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1473568385 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I might have seen vertical interval timecode signals on an old TV set that I no longer have. I did see they were some sort of time signal, and perhaps that is what it is. < 1473568407 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I only found the description on Wikipedia today. It was a long time ago that I saw it on TV, though.) < 1473569940 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1473570381 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone has told me some of my suggested optimizations for Z-code are extreme. < 1473571292 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://youtu.be/MpPSPQq7oas?t=3m38s < 1473571400 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You can't break this plane. You can land this plane on its fuselage, jack it up, put down the landing gear and then you can take off again." < 1473573519 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you think this meaning code sharing is OK? http://zzo38computer.org/fossil/tavern.ui/raw/tavernc-parser.c?name=6156d70564da7cdfced7aa6cc25350dac895ea1b < 1473573577 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Search for "share_meanings") < 1473574938 0 :Melvar`!~melvar@dslb-092-072-184-058.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1473575022 0 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-178-012-189-009.178.012.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1473575094 0 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-178-012-189-009.178.012.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1473575959 0 :astslash!~atslash@217.26.5.115 JOIN :#esoteric < 1473576056 0 :astslash!~atslash@217.26.5.115 QUIT :Client Quit < 1473576058 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1473576063 0 :atslash!~atslash@217.26.5.115 JOIN :#esoteric < 1473576355 0 :atslash!~atslash@217.26.5.115 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1473576414 0 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1473577590 0 :rntz!~rntz@96.95.216.165 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1473578429 0 :digin4!~digin4@unaffiliated/digin4 JOIN :#esoteric < 1473578550 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Went to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Inquisition < 1473578559 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Page was about the Spanish Inquisition < 1473578563 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exactly as expected < 1473578674 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to run SETI@yourfriendshouse < 1473578743 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You seem to have confused this IRC channel with Twitter. < 1473578751 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh I just found this ViewPattern: (urlEncode -> query) ... and I don't like it. < 1473578781 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :My experience with Twitter is the only mode of interaction it has is retweets. < 1473578784 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing like IRC at all. < 1473578805 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perfect for this variety of joke, I think. < 1473578829 0 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1473578834 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Why not? < 1473578849 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, slightly surreal: http://sprunge.us/SIPH < 1473578858 0 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1473578892 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like Garfield minus Garfield. < 1473578895 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@shachaf what? What's this 'IRC' you speak of? < 1473578895 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1473578914 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: it's elegant but a pattern match should not modify data... perhaps prepare it into something digestible... but to my mind url encoding is an important "effect" in some vague sense. < 1473578950 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e appears to have me muted... < 1473578958 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::,( < 1473578984 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: What about f s | let query = urlEncode s = ...? < 1473578988 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I can see a few advantages (the non-URL-encoded thing isn't even in scope) so perhaps I'll grow to like the pattern. < 1473579006 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the idea of not even naming a thing that you would only use once anyway. < 1473580381 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I see the sentence "Every farmer who owns a donkey beats it." < 1473580387 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't really see the ambiguity < 1473580403 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I always end up interpreting it as "Every farmer who owns a donkey masturbates" < 1473580439 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e has a point. < 1473581601 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm looking at https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Friends_of_gays_should_not_be_allowed_to_edit_articles... and I think I got linked there from Uncyclopedia... but I don't actually see why it exists... < 1473581627 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it's meant to be humorous < 1473581628 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1473581665 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought the title was the /argumentum ad absurdum/ of various proposals, but that the content would be serious < 1473581831 0 :carado!~carado@2a01:e34:ec1e:2390:8341:b3f5:2d6:41fa JOIN :#esoteric < 1473582671 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :protip: if you want people to click on your links, do not add dots at the end of them < 1473582734 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how did you find out it's humorous? because it is obvious pr because of the banner at the top telling so? < 1473582938 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-2hj4tbos9tbg64dw17dked36v.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1473583205 0 :MoALTz!~no@78-11-247-26.static.ip.netia.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1473583455 0 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1473583852 0 :Lotus_eater!~Lotus_eat@79.142.224.208 JOIN :#esoteric < 1473584061 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages-loud < 1473584061 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan asked 7h 35m 20s ago: was it DWFO? < 1473584097 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan It is not DWFO, it's one being organized by a couple of people in my uni called "STVN" < 1473584097 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1473584129 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Taneb hi Taneb < 1473584140 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages-loud < 1473584141 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't have any messages < 1473584148 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1473584152 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, how < 1473584294 0 :Lotus_eater!~Lotus_eat@79.142.224.208 PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1473584358 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: ask oerjan hth < 1473584386 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask oerjan hth (shachaf told me to) < 1473584386 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1473584605 0 :MoALTz!~no@78-11-247-26.static.ip.netia.com.pl QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1473584618 0 :digin4!~digin4@unaffiliated/digin4 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1473584715 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-2hj4tbos9tbg64dw17dked36v.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1473585057 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :muuuuuuuuuuuuuuuurduuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuur < 1473585059 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1473585779 0 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1473585930 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? hth < 1473585932 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth is help received from a hairy toe. It is not at all hambiguitous. < 1473586595 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1473586601 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good job, Jefferson * < 1473586626 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your YouTube channel is "JeffersonAirplneVEVO", and the icon is just the default "J" < 1473586635 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And this is a VERIFIED channel) < 1473587147 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Darn, no fireworks on Schlockmercenary today, just a huge teaser... < 1473587353 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@LFbn-1-3085-42.w90-79.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Schlock mercenary? < 1473587358 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@LFbn-1-3085-42.w90-79.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haven't read that in like ten years < 1473587384 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@LFbn-1-3085-42.w90-79.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan said 4d 9h 13m 51s ago: Is there a way to implement combinators using C# delegates without getting stack overflows <-- i suspect this is when you need a trampoline. < 1473587389 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@LFbn-1-3085-42.w90-79.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is a trampoline* < 1473587794 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :quoting people who use <-- is very confusing < 1473587803 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :though this is really a flaw in the <-- convention < 1473587809 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :scownvention < 1473588087 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Why doesn't a second layer of <-- fix it? < 1473588233 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I failed to come up a with a funny way of suggesting that hth stands for heads-tails-heads, a possible outcome from flipping three coins. < 1473588285 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? tht < 1473588287 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tht? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1473588326 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fortunately the standards for wisdom/ are very low. < 1473588359 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"World Journal of Research and Review" ... who makes up the names of all those crap pay-for-publishing journals? < 1473588622 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn THT is short for tails-heads-tails, a possible outcome of flipping three coins. It's the opposite of HTH. < 1473588625 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'tht': THT is short for tails-heads-tails, a possible outcome of flipping three coins. It's the opposite of HTH. < 1473588671 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What was that puzzle about what combination of three coin flips is more likely to come up first? < 1473588754 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :something about HHH and TTT having a tendency to clump together < 1473588863 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I'd expect to wait the longest for those two, followed by HTH and THT, followed by the other four that can't overlap with themselves. let me check the math... < 1473589371 0 :centrinia!~centrinia@107-208-218-105.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1473589476 0 :centrinia!~centrinia@107-208-218-105.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1473589711 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if I did that correctly, the expected values are 14 for HHH and TTT, 10 for HTH and THT, and 8 for the others. < 1473589758 0 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@194.108.5.201 JOIN :#esoteric < 1473589823 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :expected number of flips before they occur? < 1473589834 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the first time, yes. < 1473589866 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was a manual computation though, so feel free to verify the numbers yourself < 1473590168 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :[from #haskell] " well don't you want IO to somehow capture the physical world?" ... in a cage, perhaps? < 1473590692 0 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-092-072-184-058.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1473590913 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1473590999 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, another bad earthquake < 1473591006 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just like the last time I opened Google news < 1473591572 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1473591669 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1473591722 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION . o O ( Is clonecest (especially including gender-inverted clonecest) considered creepy? ) < 1473592972 0 :MoALTz!~no@78-11-247-26.static.ip.netia.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1473594733 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you should stop doing it, if it causes earthquakes. < 1473595032 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1473595637 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch I hope none of the punsters on here see this: http://www.mezzacotta.net/pomh/?comic=65 < 1473595777 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@183.89.26.29 JOIN :#esoteric < 1473596243 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@183.89.26.29 QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1473596417 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@183.89.26.29 JOIN :#esoteric < 1473597432 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Vitsy14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=49706&oldid=47284 5* 03VTCAKAVSMoACE 5* (+280) 10Added infobox < 1473597775 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:VTCAKAVSMoACE14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=49707 5* 03VTCAKAVSMoACE 5* (+295) 10Creation < 1473598981 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07TRUE14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=49708&oldid=37355 5* 03LegionMammal978 5* (+27) 10 < 1473601181 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@183.89.26.29 QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1473601321 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot QUIT :Quit: brb < 1473601606 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot JOIN :#esoteric < 1473603465 0 :augur!~augur@2601:640:8001:4222:fd6e:3edd:771d:4306 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1473603903 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1473603986 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1473607572 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@183.89.26.29 JOIN :#esoteric < 1473608414 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is JOIN :#esoteric < 1473608954 0 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1473609005 0 :atslash!~atslash@broadband-46-188-0-82.2com.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1473609139 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? abelian group < 1473609141 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :abelian group? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1473609479 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` cd wisdom; grep -r abelian . < 1473609486 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1473609494 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` cd wisdom; grep -ri abelian . < 1473609496 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1473611628 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1473611725 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: :D < 1473611730 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :good comic < 1473611861 0 :Melvar`!?@? NICK :Melvar < 1473612329 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@183.89.26.29 QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1473612424 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@183.89.26.29 JOIN :#esoteric < 1473613682 0 :izabera!?@? NICK :izalove < 1473614095 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@183.89.26.29 QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1473615030 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1473615409 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-2hj4tbos9tbg64dw17dked36v.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1473616284 0 :heroux_!sandroco@507081C4.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1473616505 0 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-xriyroheyybpwmtf QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1473616509 0 :heroux_!?@? NICK :heroux < 1473616990 0 :heroux!sandroco@507081C4.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1473617319 0 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-fcwygmcpmveyzsdy JOIN :#esoteric < 1473617724 0 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-fcwygmcpmveyzsdy QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1473617939 0 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-okqtroosrxchawxj JOIN :#esoteric < 1473622432 0 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1473622711 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Then why do you write it on here? < 1473623032 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do it for the irony < 1473624671 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? int-e < 1473624672 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e är inte svensk. Hen kommer att spränga solen. Hen står för sig själv. < 1473624756 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may need help for that second part < 1473625004 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :or perhaps I could claim that I succeeded billions of years ago < 1473625352 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.orenwatson.be/KSP/P_20160911_151408.jpg <- this is the shit < 1473625516 0 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1473627004 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-43500d4c.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1473627048 0 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@194.108.5.201 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1473627103 0 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@194.108.5.201 JOIN :#esoteric < 1473627443 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do i set the license on github so that the api knows about it? < 1473627561 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah i'm stupid < 1473627567 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait < 1473627584 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok there should be a license field in the reply < 1473627587 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i don't see it < 1473627646 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :found it < 1473627672 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's in https://api.github.com/repos/username/reponame/license < 1473628519 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1473628746 0 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1473629354 0 :augur!~augur@2601:640:8001:4222:e841:a1ba:9b27:2828 JOIN :#esoteric < 1473629397 0 :MoALTz!~no@78-11-247-26.static.ip.netia.com.pl QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1473630206 0 :augur!~augur@2601:640:8001:4222:e841:a1ba:9b27:2828 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1473630391 0 :augur!~augur@c-67-160-198-240.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1473631219 0 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Quit: brb < 1473631649 0 :DHeadshot_!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1473631695 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1473632820 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-2hj4tbos9tbg64dw17dked36v.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1473632881 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is QUIT :Quit: Zarutian < 1473633061 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have a scanned or retyped copy of the instructions on the envelope of a IBM flowcharting template? < 1473633718 0 :B1ood6od!~hermes@cpe-98-157-243-236.ma.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1473633731 0 :B1ood6od!~hermes@cpe-98-157-243-236.ma.res.rr.com QUIT :Changing host < 1473633731 0 :B1ood6od!~hermes@unaffiliated/bloodgod JOIN :#esoteric < 1473633836 0 :_46bit!~fortysix@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be fun to make an IRC channel where a bot with multiple nicks performans plays. < 1473635116 0 :B1ood6od!~hermes@unaffiliated/bloodgod QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1473635228 0 :B1ood6od!~hermes@cpe-98-157-243-236.ma.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1473637013 0 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu JOIN :#esoteric < 1473637016 0 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1473637309 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1473637893 0 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@194.108.5.201 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1473638212 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1473638986 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1473639000 0 :DHeadshot_!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1473639003 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the society in My Little Pony have some rather advanced math < 1473639085 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the second movie, they mention the Pythagorean theorem (they actually SAY the definition- "And the distance between two points is just the square root of the sum of the squares of the difference the offsets of 3-dimensional points" or somesuch) < 1473639094 0 :B1ood6od!~hermes@cpe-98-157-243-236.ma.res.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1473639156 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 JOIN :#esoteric < 1473639200 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hpp: it's just square roots, and square roots have been mentioned already in S3 E1. that's not advanced math. even the ancients knew the pythagorean theorem. < 1473639206 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They mentioned a person named "Haycartes" (in the context of "Haycartes' Method", which is probably philosophical rather than mathematical but they still have the quy) < 1473639219 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: Yeah, but it's fairly impressive for ponies < 1473639232 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And they just mentioned pre-calculus (thus implying they have proper calculus) < 1473639239 0 :B1ood6od!~hermes@2607:fb90:d7:c049:a27:d096:6385:a7a3 JOIN :#esoteric < 1473639244 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yes, sinuses < 1473639256 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they have a snout, of course they know about sinuses < 1473639309 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sinuses? < 1473639317 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That have anything to do with sine? < 1473639341 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, only the name < 1473639444 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They also had the equations for General Relativity on the chalkboard at one point, which implies they have that (I mean, it's probably just that the animators needed something nopony would understand so no one would get upset, but still) < 1473639986 0 :augur!~augur@c-67-160-198-240.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1473640023 0 :augur!~augur@c-67-160-198-240.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1473640248 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1473640274 0 :augur!~augur@c-67-160-198-240.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1473640274 0 :augur_!~augur@2601:640:8001:4222:f801:9034:6dd9:cdd1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1473640438 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages-gold < 1473640438 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb said 15h 39m 1s ago: It is not DWFO, it's one being organized by a couple of people in my uni called "STVN" < 1473640438 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb asked 15h 34m 11s ago: hth (shachaf told me to) < 1473640451 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: whoa whoa whoa < 1473640453 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :very good < 1473640458 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Taneb it's really quite simple... < 1473640552 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Taneb oerjan says it's really quite simple hth < 1473640552 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1473640611 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello̼ < 1473640649 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1473640670 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, when did you buy a Lambdabot Gold account? < 1473640892 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1473640897 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wellob_jonas < 1473641060 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: This Nix thing is a mess. :-( < 1473641070 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is it trying to install binutils and bash and all these things? < 1473641092 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to build stuff < 1473641118 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why didn't it want them before? < 1473641154 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask Taneb does that mean it's star trek < 1473641154 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1473641322 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate how there's always greasy cooking smell coming in the windows here. I blame the neighbour on the ground floor. < 1473641531 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've heard hungarian cooking is very greasy < 1473641569 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, usually it is. < 1473641600 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer it less greasy than average, but that's irrelevant. Nobody likes when they get cooking smell all the time. < 1473641667 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty sure if anyone tried that in this building they'd set off the fire alarm < 1473641767 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(greasy cooking without proper ventilation, that is) < 1473641819 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's got proper ventillation, he's ventillating all the smell outside the building. I bet his apartment is all nice and non-smelly. It's coming in through the window in here. < 1473641821 0 :B1ood6od2!~hermes@cpe-69-76-41-135.ma.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1473641826 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1473641877 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY < 1473641971 0 :B1ood6od!~hermes@2607:fb90:d7:c049:a27:d096:6385:a7a3 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1473642083 0 :B1ood6od2!~hermes@cpe-69-76-41-135.ma.res.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1473642092 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1473642299 0 :B1ood6od!~hermes@2607:fb90:d7:c049:311e:5fde:cde2:c4d9 JOIN :#esoteric < 1473642495 0 :B1ood6od2!~hermes@cpe-69-76-41-135.ma.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1473642699 0 :B1ood6od!~hermes@2607:fb90:d7:c049:311e:5fde:cde2:c4d9 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1473642801 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Slereah what is a trampoline* <-- it is a way to emulate deep recursive calls without a stack, by having each step return directly to a loop at the top, which calls the next step hth < 1473642801 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1473642890 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Slereah https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trampoline_(computing)#High-level_programming < 1473642890 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1473642948 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : quoting people who use <-- is very confusing <-- i don't see why hth < 1473643394 0 :carado!~carado@2a01:e34:ec1e:2390:8341:b3f5:2d6:41fa QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1473643572 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like stacking left-arrows for stacked replies < 1473643582 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes for a decent one-message quote tower on IRC < 1473643593 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I usually use double right arrows instead, like this => => < 1473643645 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I usually use "←" < 1473643920 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1473644250 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe we should use other arrows, like ~> or <-| < 1473644849 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I need to calculate where a line from 0 to a complex number z = a+bi intersects the unit circle a^2+(b*-i)^2 = 1, what equation would I use? < 1473644902 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I suppose maybe I'm just supposed to divide by the absolute value? That works for calculating sgn(x) (barring x=0), which this is a generalization of) < 1473644910 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: yep < 1473645001 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :note that with a full line, there are two intersections. < 1473645059 0 :B1ood6od2!~hermes@cpe-69-76-41-135.ma.res.rr.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1473645140 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell int-e ouch I hope none of the punsters on here see this: http://www.mezzacotta.net/pomh/?comic=65 <-- too late, i read that comic hth < 1473645140 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1473645180 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hopes int-e won't misinterpret that due to filthy english grammar. or maybe that would be appropriate. < 1473645275 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Ah, I meant ray < 1473645310 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Is factorial defined for the Gaussians?) < 1473645353 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Vitsy14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=49709&oldid=49706 5* 03Oerjan 5* (-22) 10enough of this < 1473645481 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07FuckbeEs14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=49710&oldid=49705 5* 03Oerjan 5* (-22) 10nipping this in the bud < 1473645491 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clearly, it needs to be based on the relationship between a and b & (a+b)! < 1473645598 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: factorial is generally extended to the complexes with the gamma function. it's probably unlikely to send gaussians to themselves. < 1473645628 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yeah, but I was going for something that doesn't require calculus to understand < 1473645662 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also, the gamma function is stupid. Pi function is much better) < 1473645680 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i'm guessing you're unlikely to find something logical, but i dunno. < 1473645743 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure if there's a rule for (a + i)! < 1473645756 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is what you'd need to make sense of this. < 1473645879 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: but you know where to look for such a rule, right? http://dlmf.nist.gov/5.5 . and since it's not there, you can be sure there's no easy rule. < 1473645901 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't know that. < 1473645982 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Or you need to know ki! and (a+b)! < 1473646001 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Defining ki! is the hard part, most likely < 1473646040 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1473646074 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: there wasn't any rule for calculating (a+b)! either hth < 1473646087 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Oh, I hoped there would be < 1473646099 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. (a+b)! = a!b! or something < 1473646110 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise you'd really just need i! < 1473646145 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: that's the rule for exp hth < 1473646169 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yeah, it was an example < 1473646175 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose i! is enough < 1473646204 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't there a pole or something there? < 1473646211 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :0! = 1; k! = k*((k-1)!) < 1473646224 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait, there isn't < 1473646309 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a+b)! = (a+b)*((a+b-1)!) = (a+b)*((a+b-1)*((a+b-2)!)) < 1473646311 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the poles are at ik-1 for every integer k < 1473646314 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just dumb < 1473646314 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm... < 1473646326 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about just blind experimentation < 1473646445 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try to find some patterns, see if they generalize < 1473646453 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :3! = 6; 2! = 2; (3+2)! = 5! = 120; 120 = 12*10 = 10*6*2 = 6*5*2*2 < 1473646638 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: um the poles are at -k for natural k hth < 1473646652 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1473646654 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1473646661 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was holding this thing sideways then < 1473646667 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fiendish < 1473646670 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :3*5*2*2*2... a*(a+b)*(a*b) where a > b it seems; if a < b it's 2*(2+3)*(2*3) = 2*5*6 = 60 = 120/2 I guess? < 1473646704 0 :atslash!~atslash@broadband-46-188-0-82.2com.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1473646729 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :2! = 2; (2+2)! = 4! = 24. 2*(2+2)*(2*2) = 2*4*4 = 32, so that pattern doesn't hold. < 1473646759 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(s/a > b/a >= b/ or it doesn't work for any even numbers) < 1473646767 0 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1473646802 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :good luck outpatterning euler and gauss hth < 1473646810 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ty < 1473646873 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose it's probably impossible or really really weird, really, as (1) (k+0)! has to equal k!, so unless (a+b)! really just is a!b! (which I have a feeling I'll disprove with the first example) that doesn't work < 1473646938 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and (2) there are a LOT of different ways to write k as a sum < 1473646992 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just to test if (a+b)! = a!b!, (2+3)! = 5! = 120; 2! = 2, 3! = 6, 6*2 /= 120 < 1473647053 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :3!(2^2)! = 6*24 = 144 < 1473647100 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(3*2)! = 6! = 720 < 1473647165 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I keep seeing patterns, but I'm not sure where they're coming from; 720=144/2*10) < 1473647201 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: f(a+b) = f(a)f(b) on the reals holds _only_ for exponentials hth < 1473647211 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yeah, figured < 1473647232 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: n! is kind of a not-quite-but-frustratingly-close-to exponential, isn't it? < 1473647232 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well, assuming an even slightly nice function - there are axiom of choice counterexamples) < 1473647243 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :IF YOU SAY SO < 1473647396 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm s/reals/rationals/ and its completely true. < 1473647454 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, (n+1)! = n!*(n+1) apparently < 1473647466 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(wait, what?) < 1473647498 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :4! = 24; 6*4 = 24 < 1473647512 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@183.89.26.29 JOIN :#esoteric < 1473647526 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, that is pretty obvious < 1473647537 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's some algebration of the definition given above that everyone has memorized < 1473647543 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Low battery) < 1473647611 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CsG6MSpWAAAdTob.jpg < 1473647624 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :this one is irritating < 1473647792 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1473648363 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1473649213 0 :j-bot!~j-bot@li1285-84.members.linode.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1473649223 0 :j-bot!~j-bot@li1285-84.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1473650622 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is the best notation for subfactorial? < 1473650660 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also, should n! just be considered to equal Gam(n-1) at this point? The same way we didn't need a new sign for + when we went from integers to reals?) < 1473650680 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or is it n+1?) < 1473650885 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And presumably, there's some equivalent to the gamma function (Maybe we should just call it L(x) where L is an approximate upside-down gamma?) for derangement- L(x) = (n-1)(Γ(n-1)+Γ(n-2)) < 1473651067 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, gamma is defined for complex numbers < 1473651172 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and i! is irrationally complex, of course < 1473651306 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1473651769 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: s/Γ/L/g < 1473651902 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yeah < 1473651915 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I just noticed that < 1473651922 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? inory < 1473651929 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Inorically, inory is when you say something is irony that really isn't. Someone who does this is an inorite. < 1473651962 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`culprits inory < 1473651967 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1473651978 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`culprits wisdom/inory < 1473651980 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan hppavilion[1] hppavilion[1] < 1473652023 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the functions with the property f(n) = (n-1) (f(n-1) + f(n-2)) are obviously exactly the linear combinations of n! and !n < 1473652074 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which makes it strange if only one of them had a complex extension. but the wikipedia page doesn't list one. < 1473652104 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait hm < 1473652170 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is !n < 1473652188 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :subfactorial < 1473652197 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derangement < 1473652212 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1473652332 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not really a fan of !n notation because it's liable to be confused with ~n < 1473652345 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1473652360 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Why are you using 2's complement for anything but computers?" < 1473652391 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: 2-adic numbers hth < 1473652429 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1473652440 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :we can use 10's-complement for everything else < 1473652444 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ssssssshhhhhhhhhh < 1473652457 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: ~n and !n are totally different HTH < 1473652460 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: 10's-complement doesn't give a field, you philistine < 1473652481 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Um, the base 10 analogue for 2s complement is 9s complement. < 1473652507 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: oh! then i guess 10's complement _does_ give a field. smashing! < 1473652533 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do I filter the duplicates out? < 1473652556 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: um wouldn't 9's complement correspond to 1's complement? < 1473652571 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: which duplicates? < 1473652572 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe my memory's messed up. < 1473652597 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: i mean, purely from the naming. it wouldn't be the first time mathematical naming is messed up. < 1473652622 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a 3's complement? < 1473652625 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and of course, this makes ternary impossible to speak of) < 1473652727 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: problem is, with binary you speak of both 1's and 2's complement, which means if you try to extend it to all bases you get overlapping meanings... < 1473652765 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1473652797 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So the 1's complement in base 3 is different from the 1's complement in base 2? < 1473652800 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, I'm wrong. 9's and 1's are analogous, 10's and 2's are analogous. < 1473652819 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i think 10's complement as I meant it is the same as 10-adic numbers? I know that ...99999 is -1, for instance < 1473652820 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's... a little disconcerting < 1473652860 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :The 1's complement base 3 would be, what, the 3's complement minus 2? < 1473652868 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Not really sure < 1473652879 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: yeah i understood what you _meant_ < 1473652882 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: What would 3's complement be < 1473652897 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: and yes it doesn't give a field, because rational numbers aren't a field either < 1473652919 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: 3's complement would be _either_ for base 3 or base 4, with different meanings < 1473652921 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :3's complement base 3 is 3^n - y where y is the number and n is the number of digits. < 1473652926 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, how do you invert the trits of a 3-digit number? < 1473652942 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: um rational numbers are a field hth < 1473652958 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :(because the radix complement in any base is b^n - y where b is the base, n the number of digits, and y is the number, apparently) < 1473653099 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: erm, sorry. not the rationals. rather, the subset of rationals representable using at most k digits after the point in base b. < 1473653136 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: the way you make p-adics a field are by allowing finite number of digits after the point, and infinite before < 1473653147 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this does not work for non-prime p. < 1473653157 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*is < 1473653170 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh, who cares whether its a field < 1473653210 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(unary: mits, marks; binary: bits; ternary: trits; quaternary: tits (tetra- instead of quat-; not qits to avoid confusion with qubits); quinary: pits (again, can't use q, so swapped roots); senary: snits; octal: oits (pronounced "wits"); decimal: dits/digits; dozenal: zigits (so as not to use "zits"); etc.) < 1473653264 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Base 256: octets HTH < 1473653440 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Is the 16's complement of higits/hits (hexadecimal) numbers the same as the 2's complement of the binary equivalent? < 1473653511 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: ah, wolfram.com has a formula using the incomplete gamma function http://mathworld.wolfram.com/Subfactorial.html < 1473653638 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno for sure, but it intuitively seems like it should be. < 1473653749 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hrm. The 16's complement of n is 16^n-digits_16(n), while the 2's complement of n is 2^n-digits_2(n). 16=2^4, digits_16(n)=floor(digits_2(n)/4)... < 1473653752 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1473653777 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phinary is a thing < 1473653794 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a phine base indeed < 1473653923 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, no wonder I'm confused here, I wrote things wrong. < 1473653946 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :16^digits_16(n)-n, 2^digits_2(n)-n. Those are the expressions I should be looking at. < 1473654047 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :digits_2(n) = 4 * digits_16(n). So, 2^digits_2(n) = 2^(4*digits_16(n)) = 16^digits_16(n). < 1473654083 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: Yes, the 16's complement of a hexadecimal number is the same as the 2's complement of the same number in binary. < 1473654172 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1473654207 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: apparently the incomplete gamma function is harder to extend to complex numbers than the usual one, it can become multivalued. < 1473654217 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incomplete_gamma_function < 1473654286 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the case of subfactorial, because of a factor (-1)^s < 1473654303 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloerjan < 1473654316 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where can I find a definition of the differential forms thing you were talking about the other day? < 1473654369 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello̼ < 1473654389 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't wikipedia have this stuff < 1473654420 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i,i אוריין < 1473654425 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably. Which article? < 1473654443 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Differential form"? < 1473654459 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not like i've looked. < 1473654505 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i vaguely recall once having had this explained in university, i have no idea if there even was a book involved. < 1473654519 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I want this vector space that you were talking about. < 1473654525 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, maybe "exterior algebra". < 1473654575 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm that does look promising < 1473654660 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this "unordered set of basis elements" basis used anywhere? < 1473654682 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or is it a non-empty unordered set?) < 1473654684 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cale might know. < 1473654768 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: it'd be empty for the 0 components case i guess. < 1473654792 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :for n components, you need sets with n elements < 1473654977 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently the correct term is "n-vector" < 1473655063 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe Taneb invented them? < 1473655083 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :who invented taneb? < 1473655095 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? cis < 1473655096 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The CIs are a secret society led by David Morgan-Mar, bent on conquering the world from Sydney with web comics and unsolvable puzzles. They invented Taneb. < 1473655101 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth < 1473655152 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slwd cis//s/web c/webc/ < 1473655153 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rosebud! < 1473655154 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? april < 1473655155 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :april? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1473655159 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slwd ci//s/web c/webc/ < 1473655160 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? january < 1473655161 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom/ci//The CIs are a secret society led by David Morgan-Mar, bent on conquering the world from Sydney with webcomics and unsolvable puzzles. They invented Taneb. < 1473655162 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :january? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1473655176 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1473655184 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls -l wisdom/password < 1473655186 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​-rw-r--r-- 1 5000 0 40 Aug 2 03:16 wisdom/password < 1473655195 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? password < 1473655196 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The password of the month is Strindberg < 1473655304 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn The password of the month is au cœur de septembre < 1473655306 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Relearned 'password': The password of the month is au cœur de septembre < 1473655667 0 :Cale!~cale@CPEc8d3a35c2cdd-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: What? < 1473655686 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you missed the conversation the other day. < 1473655702 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think oerjan was talking about the definition of multivectors? < 1473655714 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: how does `learn know to update the password in that case? < 1473655735 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :izalove: it ignores articles < 1473655740 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1473655743 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or some thing that has some complicated ordered basis or something. < 1473655774 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: the "Duality" section in that wikipedia article seems closest to what i said < 1473655810 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(about universal property. the "Universal property" section is a different view.) < 1473655900 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: oh and the basis is also shown in another section. (no mention of unordered sets though) < 1473656068 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1473656242 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, any mtg player? < 1473656265 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i found a gilt-leaf seer < 1473656268 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? mtg < 1473656269 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mtg? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1473656272 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :magic < 1473656278 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`card-by-name gilt-leaf seer < 1473656279 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gilt-Leaf Seer \ 2G \ Creature -- Elf Shaman \ 2/2 \ {G}, {T}: Look at the top two cards of your library, then put them back in any order. \ LRW-C < 1473656295 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :how much would you pay for it? < 1473656368 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah i see, according to this site it's worth up to a whopping $0.80 http://magic.tcgplayer.com/db/search_result.asp?Set_Name=Lorwyn < 1473656397 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why are you selling it? < 1473656415 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i don't play this game < 1473656436 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I rarely play Magic: the Gathering but I do know all of the rules < 1473656442 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can build your starter deck around it. < 1473656443 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :the card is in italian and i found it in a book < 1473656453 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you want deck-building tips? < 1473656458 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1473656460 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not < 1473656464 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :they could come in handy someday < 1473656465 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I recommend including at least one basic land. < 1473656471 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok that sounds good < 1473656474 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's a land? < 1473656477 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a type of card. < 1473656480 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Land is one of the types. < 1473656484 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see < 1473656504 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are very few decks that don't use land. < 1473656505 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How to built deck can differ based on whether it is standard or vintage or draft or whatever, too. < 1473656523 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :how much is it gonna cost me? < 1473656526 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes non-English cards are worth more than English cards. < 1473656550 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that particular card is probably not going to be very valuable no matter what. < 1473656560 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basic lands I think you can get not costing as much as other cards, because they are very common and you can get in all sets. < 1473656583 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, only unique variants of basic lands end up being costly. < 1473656585 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll give you a basic land card for free. < 1473656596 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i also found this black lotus thingy, is it worth anything? < 1473656605 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but those are in no way superior) < 1473656609 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blacker Lotus is worth more. < 1473656609 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Black Lotus is worth a lot; it is on the reserved list meaning they can't reprint it. < 1473656619 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is being funny < 1473656621 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :izalove: Either you're fucking with me, or you're not aware that that is a really expensive card. < 1473656622 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, it is restricted in Vintage and banned in all other formats. < 1473656657 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Therefore, unless you play Vintage or like to collect it (whether to keep or to resell), it might not be worth as much to you. < 1473656666 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the going price for a Black Lotus these days, 30k? < 1473656673 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@183.89.26.29 QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1473656686 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Surely not. < 1473656688 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :7.5k http://www.ebay.it/itm/like/262597320477?lpid=96&chn=ps < 1473656698 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does ebay.com redirect to .it < 1473656703 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid localization < 1473656727 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, 30k is probably going price for a mint Alpha Black Lotus, not a Black Lotus in general. < 1473656731 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@183.89.26.29 JOIN :#esoteric < 1473656754 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I'd believe that. < 1473656790 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@183.89.26.29 QUIT :Client Quit < 1473656891 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: You should start an investment management company that provides Magic: The Gathering ETFs. < 1473656903 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hah. < 1473656933 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might buy some shares in your 3x Bull Power Nine ETF < 1473656967 0 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw1-54fa3f-129.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1473656983 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn MTG is short for Money Tapping Game. < 1473656986 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'mtg': MTG is short for Money Tapping Game. < 1473657027 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Is that supposed to be a pun on "tapping", a frequent action that can be applied to objects on the battlefield in Magic: The Gathering? < 1473657039 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Can you ever tap or untap something that isn't on the battlefield?) < 1473657055 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: No. Only permanents can be tapped/untapped. < 1473657084 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Any object on the battlefield is a permanent.) < 1473657091 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forgot the word "permanent". < 1473657098 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: not really, i'd have used a better word if i could think of one. < 1473657123 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish there was a Magic: The Gathering Online eXchange < 1473657128 0 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw1-54fa3f-129.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1473657141 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome aloril < 1473657142 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aloril: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: . (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.) < 1473657143 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, only permanents can be destroyed, sacrificed, attached to other objects/players, have status, etc < 1473657172 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But a permanent can be phased out. < 1473657197 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes; only permanents can be phased out (and most effects ignore them while phased out). < 1473657219 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thankfully nothing can go in the phased out zone anymore. < 1473657236 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was a phased out zone? < 1473657241 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1473657248 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There used to be. Not any more. < 1473657255 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phasing has had many, *many* hacks to make it work in the past. < 1473657257 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it was just a phase. < 1473657260 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of those hacks was a zone. < 1473657274 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(A custom card I made up some time ago got a different function due to them changing this rule actually.) < 1473657292 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1473657334 0 :izalove!~izabera@64.137.202.202 JOIN :#esoteric < 1473657342 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : I wish there was a Magic: The Gathering Online eXchange <-- all it takes is one big bitcoin investment hth < 1473657345 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If not playing in an official tournament, you may also use proxies, by agreement of players involved; and custom cards, by agreement of players involved. So purchasing the cards is not always necessary. If playing Limited format tournament, you need not bring your own cards (it won't help anyways); you can purchase cards as part of the entry fee. < 1473657427 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@183.89.26.29 JOIN :#esoteric < 1473657473 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always keep track of rule changes to Magic: the Gathering, far more often than I play, actually. < 1473657534 0 :izalove!~izabera@64.137.202.202 QUIT :Changing host < 1473657534 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera JOIN :#esoteric < 1473657903 0 :Caesura!~Aedile@cpe-174-100-169-144.neo.res.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1473658218 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@183.89.26.29 QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1473658819 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :very sound logic in today's girl genius. < 1473661186 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i bought a pair of headphones that are so unconfortable they're killing my ears < 1473661187 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@cm-58-10-238-206.revip7.asianet.co.th JOIN :#esoteric < 1473661188 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm in hell < 1473661513 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@cm-58-10-238-206.revip7.asianet.co.th QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1473662248 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sets fire to izalove's headphones < 1473662332 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1473663400 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://orenwatson.be/KSP/MurcielagoAtMun.PNG < 1473663449 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice sunset < 1473664790 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1473665913 0 :carado!~carado@2a01:e34:ec1e:2390:8341:b3f5:2d6:41fa JOIN :#esoteric < 1473667038 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good morning < 1473667045 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages-loud < 1473667045 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf said 7h 21m 32s ago: oerjan says it's really quite simple hth < 1473667045 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan asked 7h 11m 31s ago: does that mean it's star trek < 1473667067 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, in this case, ST stands for Student Tele < 1473667170 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fiendish < 1473667210 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Taneb and yes, it's quite simple. < 1473667235 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the VN then stands for vision Network) < 1473667252 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll link you all the episodes as they go online < 1473667282 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :THREATS WILL GET YOU NOWHERE < 1473667549 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode Ć̨̽͑ͨ̏ͬ̈́̈͋͆͛͒ͩͥ̆̈́̑͗̑͢͏̡̟̳̤̝͈̼̗̦̝̯̤̦̝̘̩̣͡ͅỏ͂̈́͊́ͬͩ҉͉̥͖̬͙̹̻̫̼̬́͜͝ͅͅǘ̢ͧͭͧ̽̽̏̂̔ͤ̃̇̿҉̡̼̬͖̞͖͈̙͓̙̱̩̹ͅľ̸̨͚̖͇͈͔̘̟̺ͮ̀̓͐̽̾̂ͣͣͧ́̽̀̈́̕͜͜ḋͯ̾̀ͨ̆ͩͯ̾ͮ̂҉̷̟̥̻̠̞̮̺̫̖͍̪̼̳̗̘͈̠̻̣ ̷̻̹̰̖͇̬̺̗͙̩̙͔̻̻̘̟̻͎͙ͦ͊̄ͣ̇ͮ̾ͯ̾̓͂͂ͨ̍͑̈͒͠ < 1473667550 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+0106 LATIN CAPITAL LETTER C WITH ACUTE] [U+033D COMBINING X ABOVE] [U+0351 COMBINING LEFT HALF RING ABOVE] [U+0368 COMBINING LATIN SMALL LETTER C] [U+030F COMBINING DOUBLE GRAVE ACCENT] [U+036C COMBINING LATIN SMALL LETTER R] [U+0344 COMBINING GREEK DIALYTIKA TONOS] [U+0308 COMBINING DIAERESIS] [U+034B COMBINING HOMOTHETIC ABOVE] [U+0346 COMB < 1473669343 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1473669414 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A4BF3B.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1473669722 0 :augur_!~augur@2601:640:8001:4222:f801:9034:6dd9:cdd1 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1473669770 0 :augur!~augur@2601:640:8001:4222:f801:9034:6dd9:cdd1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1473669932 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...woooooooooooooow < 1473669953 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Albany was considering a law that'd make it a crime to walk away from Airport security (as in, leaving the airport without boarding your flight) < 1473670022 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...OK, I'm beginning to think Hillary might ACTUALLY have some health issues < 1473670062 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I don't see why she'd run for President if she did (unless she was in denial or figured it wouldn't kill her in the next 8 years) < 1473670091 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :becaus at least it's not trump? < 1473670111 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: Hillary is /marginally/ better than Trump? < 1473670119 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It boils down to shot in the leg vs. shot in the head to me < 1473670169 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OTOH, the signs showed up during a 9/11 ceremony (she nearly collapsed when leaving, claiming she felt overheated. Trump is, of course, going to say something about how she was just bored and looking for an excuse to leave, because c'mon, it's Trump and that's exactly the kind of crazy thing he'd say), so it could've just been an emotional thing < 1473670170 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :welcome tp the usa :p < 1473670190 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'm pretty sure being emotional /doesn't/ cause your legs to give out usually; wouldn't it generally be the opposite? < 1473670230 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, the video doesn't look like that: https://twitter.com/zgazda66/status/774993814025011200/video/1 < 1473670295 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], BBC is reporting she's been diagnosed with pneumonia < 1473670300 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but tbh, outlook in germany is not that great either < 1473670349 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: Yeah, I think the world is either going to end in the next 2 years or this is going to be a long boring period that you'll have to learn about in history where everything sucked < 1473670521 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I ever shoot a video the news starts asking to use, I'm going to have to make some absurd condition < 1473670561 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, "Yes, but only if you say 'All glory to ba'al the soul-eater' on air" < 1473670606 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, "Cthulhu fhtagn" < 1473672588 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: if she drops out, then Tim Kaine (her VP) would be a much better president probably < 1473672632 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If a nominee drops out, does their running mate become the nominee? < 1473672638 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes < 1473672659 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: basically, the DNC would decide by a new vote of the delegates < 1473672666 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something < 1473672676 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, yep, looks like she actually has pneumonia < 1473672696 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :she was seen giving hug today to little children < 1473672712 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pneumonia is a huge cause of death for children under 6 < 1473672755 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: Your point? < 1473672791 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in, if it's contagious (is pneumonia contagious? I've always thought it was a symptom of various things, some of which are contagious) she might have passed it? < 1473672793 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :my point is pneumonia is really contagious < 1473672805 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or most causes anyway < 1473672831 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, then you can narrow it down to causes that aren't contagious < 1473672847 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looking at the news, I feel like we're on an exponential curve towards a tipping point at which there is an anticlimactic resolution < 1473672865 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: Unless she didn't know < 1473672882 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :whe supposedly was diagnosed on friday < 1473673038 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, one cause of pneumonia is stroke < 1473673111 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1473673124 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :another is parkinson's disease < 1473673124 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm beginning to think there might be a serial killer on the loose in anchorage < 1473673146 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: I think we're looking at this wrong; do lizards get pneumonia? < 1473673193 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, WTF, there was a double murder at Valley of the Moon‽ < 1473673195 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably. lizards have lungs < 1473673491 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Woooooooow, APD doesn't broadcast the police scanner anymore (and they encrypt the stream) < 1473673595 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm relieved that you mean Anchorage and not Atherton. < 1473673622 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.mercurynews.com/2011/08/27/the-best-of-atherton-police-blotter/ < 1473674407 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I'm convinced, definitely a serial killer < 1473675492 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION . o O ( If somebody comes out as gay on Wikipedia, does that constitute original research? ) < 1473676198 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :The official "overheated" explanation suggests more robots than lizards. < 1473676961 0 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@194.108.5.201 JOIN :#esoteric < 1473676994 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :dialogue between coworker that does webthings and coworker that does zfs: < 1473677002 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :- why are we still using less in 2016? < 1473677011 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :- less? the command line pager? < 1473677032 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :- no, less is... do you know coffeescript? well, less is to css like coffeescript is to js < 1473677046 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Um, lizards are coldblooded and need to move in and out of sunlight to control body temperature. hth. < 1473677046 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :- . . . < 1473677337 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No new xkcd yet!? < 1473677549 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Darn, I want to read a dinosaur comics that is more historically accurate AND where t rex wears more :,( < 1473677832 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1473677963 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :my theory is that trump is increasing his stamina using amphetamines, i.e. adderall < 1473677998 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's always jittery < 1473678118 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@cm-58-10-238-206.revip7.asianet.co.th JOIN :#esoteric < 1473679014 0 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@82.144.205.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1473680219 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@cm-58-10-238-206.revip7.asianet.co.th QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1473682235 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Logicode14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=49711&oldid=49694 5* 03Qwerp-Derp 5* (+102) 10 < 1473682943 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Logicode14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=49712&oldid=49697 5* 03Qwerp-Derp 5* (+309) 10 < 1473683116 0 :augur!~augur@2601:640:8001:4222:f801:9034:6dd9:cdd1 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1473685231 0 :gniourf!~gniourf@pdm-l03.insa-lyon.fr QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1473685630 0 :choochter!choochter@nat/ibm/x-xyjlxsuvjcvracvd JOIN :#esoteric < 1473685872 0 :gniourf!~gniourf@pdm-l03.insa-lyon.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1473687770 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@cm-58-10-238-206.revip7.asianet.co.th JOIN :#esoteric < 1473688432 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@cm-58-10-238-206.revip7.asianet.co.th QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1473688573 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@cm-58-10-238-206.revip7.asianet.co.th JOIN :#esoteric < 1473688892 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@cm-58-10-238-206.revip7.asianet.co.th QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1473689043 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-43500d4c.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1473692004 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1473693864 0 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@194.108.5.201 QUIT :Quit: *bubbles away* < 1473700259 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@cm-58-10-238-206.revip7.asianet.co.th JOIN :#esoteric < 1473700292 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1473700298 0 :Reece`!~Ner@cpc4-wiga13-2-0-cust799.18-3.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1473700370 0 :moony!~ubuntu@221.96.197.104.bc.googleusercontent.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1473700437 0 :moony!~ubuntu@221.96.197.104.bc.googleusercontent.com QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 0.4.2 < 1473700496 0 :moonythedwarf!~ubuntu@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf JOIN :#esoteric < 1473700512 0 :moonythedwarf!~ubuntu@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Boop < 1473700767 0 :MoALTz!~no@78-11-247-26.static.ip.netia.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1473701953 0 :xfix!~xfix@unaffiliated/xfix QUIT :Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds. < 1473702036 0 :xfix!~xfix@unaffiliated/xfix JOIN :#esoteric < 1473703002 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1473703255 0 :danofthedeep!~danofthed@c-174-50-100-100.hsd1.ga.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1473703293 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@cm-58-10-238-206.revip7.asianet.co.th QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1473705104 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :beep < 1473705511 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg14/www/docs/n1527.pdf very interesting < 1473705520 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is there no link bot in this chan? < 1473705524 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :can i bring mine? < 1473705591 0 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://fliptomato.wordpress.com/2007/03/19/medical-researcher-discovers-integration-gets-75-citations/ < 1473705616 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:3017:2467:885a:54d7 JOIN :#esoteric < 1473705715 0 :Caesura!~Aedile@casewireless03.CWRU.Edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1473706320 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 JOIN :#esoteric < 1473706323 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :WTF that's even worse! < 1473706494 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That means eight new expansion symbols per year. Four for ordinary expert level expansion sets, two for this "Masterpiece Series" they just announced (why don't they just print the expansion set's symbol in a different color for that), one for a casual supplementary product and one for a duel decks. < 1473706497 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's horrible! < 1473706530 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though at least now they have the set code printed at the bottom, but still. < 1473706613 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-90.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1473706683 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although at least these cards will probably be rare, so maybe there's only six expansion symbols per year I'll commonly see. < 1473706915 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :( Magic: the Gathering stuff) < 1473706916 0 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-092-072-184-058.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(input):1:6: error: expected: "#", < 1473706916 0 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-092-072-184-058.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : "$", "&", "&&", "&&&", "*!>", < 1473706916 0 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-092-072-184-058.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : "*", "***", "*>", "*>|", "+", < 1473706916 0 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-092-072-184-058.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : "++", "+++", "-", "->", ".", < 1473706916 0 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-092-072-184-058.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : "/", "/=", ":+", ":-", "::",14↵… < 1473707399 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1473707440 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is JOIN :#esoteric < 1473707912 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like this? [:trigger [:upkeep :you]; :iif [:equal [:life :you], 1]; :do [:win :you]] < 1473709729 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-90.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1473709736 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:3017:2467:885a:54d7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's iif? < 1473709767 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess :iff < 1473710143 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Intervening if clause < 1473710180 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I like the general idea. I'm not sure about the specific syntax and semantics. < 1473710321 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What might you suggest to change? The syntax is RDF syntax. < 1473710402 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not yet sure what it should look like. < 1473710553 0 :Caesura!~Aedile@casewireless03.CWRU.Edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1473710714 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-90.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1473710776 0 :Caesura!~Aedile@casewireless03.CWRU.Edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1473711180 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think this format can help to implement effects of Magic: the Gathering cards in computer program, as well as to search the card database by effect (such as with Gremlin or SPARQL or whatever) instead of only by text. < 1473711321 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-90.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1473711346 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1473711521 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: What I want is a small core set of rules, and for most keywords and so on to be implemented in a "standard library". < 1473711541 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which just uses the same language that's used on cards. < 1473711592 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did too intend that keywords can be implemented in a standard library too, as well as various other rules can be implemented in a standard library < 1473711744 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1473711922 0 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1473711946 0 :atslash!~atslash@broadband-46-188-0-82.2com.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1473712201 0 :Reece`!~Ner@cpc4-wiga13-2-0-cust799.18-3.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1473712368 0 :Caesura!~Aedile@casewireless03.CWRU.Edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1473712542 0 :Caesura!~Aedile@casewireless03.CWRU.Edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1473712580 0 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-092-072-184-058.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Quit: Terminated < 1473712598 0 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-092-072-184-058.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1473713695 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:3017:2467:885a:54d7 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1473714887 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's a "link bot"? < 1473714934 0 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :a title displayer, I guess < 1473714951 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think that's a good idea. < 1473714957 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't expect one of those do anything reasonable with a .pdf. < 1473714966 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you can put your bot in here and have it /msg you the titles of links. < 1473714977 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Why not? < 1473714990 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, it seems like much to expect. < 1473714995 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or make it dispay titles, but not for every link it sees, but only when he's addressed? < 1473715009 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perlbot, head http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page < 1473715016 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure it has that command < 1473715030 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, perlbot isn't here < 1473715054 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it answers in private < 1473715064 0 :MDude!~MDude@pa-67-234-97-58.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1473715072 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, answers when private messaged < 1473715291 0 :MoALTz!~no@78-11-247-26.static.ip.netia.com.pl QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1473715529 0 :carado!~carado@2a01:e34:ec1e:2390:8341:b3f5:2d6:41fa QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1473715548 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnZb-ibenFA < 1473715971 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1473716086 0 :Caesura!~Aedile@casewireless03.CWRU.Edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1473716822 0 :Caesura!~Aedile@casewireless09.CWRU.Edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1473718859 0 :digin4!~digin4@unaffiliated/digin4 JOIN :#esoteric < 1473718949 0 :atslash!~atslash@broadband-46-188-0-82.2com.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1473718979 0 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1473719132 0 :moonythedwarf!~ubuntu@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1473719363 0 :digin4!~digin4@unaffiliated/digin4 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1473719368 0 :Caesura!~Aedile@casewireless09.CWRU.Edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1473719388 0 :digin4!~digin4@unaffiliated/digin4 JOIN :#esoteric < 1473719523 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1473719594 0 :digin4!~digin4@unaffiliated/digin4 QUIT :Client Quit < 1473719620 0 :digin4!~digin4@unaffiliated/digin4 JOIN :#esoteric < 1473719645 0 :digin4!~digin4@unaffiliated/digin4 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1473719666 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :idea for a hash table: < 1473719680 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :- generate a bunch of primes < 1473719728 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :- when you first allocate a new hash table, associate it the first prime in the list < 1473719755 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :- when inserting, hash the key and multiply it by the table's current prime < 1473719775 0 :digin4!~digin4@unaffiliated/digin4 JOIN :#esoteric < 1473719791 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :if we get a collision, check the next k elements where k may be 1 for example < 1473719832 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :- if all the next k elements are occupied, we choose the next prime and try to rehash all the keys < 1473719858 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :- if we run out of primes, resize the hash table < 1473719980 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :if we fix k, this guarantees O(1) worst case search time, O(n) worst case insertion time and O(1) avg insertion time, right? < 1473720053 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :which would be great if you access the elements way more often than you insert them < 1473720128 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A4BF3B.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1473720146 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, what did I miss. Who is izalove? < 1473720150 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's me < 1473720155 0 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-126-39.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :(some version of) java used a simple formula like doing 3x+1 with a magic number starting point, iirc that generated a series of primes up to a billion < 1473720167 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have I seen you here before, possibly under a different nick? < 1473720175 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera maybe < 1473720178 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah! < 1473720181 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1473720197 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's just an alternate nick < 1473720215 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :planning to keep it for a while at least < 1473720239 0 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@82.144.205.57 QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1473720279 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :so is that a super bad idea? < 1473720292 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't implemented it yet so i dunno how well it works < 1473720453 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you "check forbthe next element"? < 1473720474 0 :digin4!~digin4@unaffiliated/digin4 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1473720502 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :if (!strcmp(key, table[hash+1].key)) < 1473720508 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something < 1473720512 0 :digin4!~digin4@unaffiliated/digin4 JOIN :#esoteric < 1473720619 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't get the role of the primes unless you make hash functions that hash to primes < 1473720631 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh uhm < 1473720673 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least make it unlikely to have "relevant" divisors < 1473720684 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :good point < 1473720708 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :scratch the idea < 1473720720 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead let's use a set of different hash functions < 1473720770 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know cuckoo hashing? < 1473720773 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1473720810 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's probably better eh? < 1473720901 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :the primes thing was just to have an easy way to generate hash functions < 1473720914 0 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1473720943 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess one can use a hash function that outputs 64 bits and do something like (hi32 * prime) ^ lo32 < 1473720967 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that look reasonable? < 1473721107 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I cannot figure out how to make a addon for Node.js (and on #Node.js channel, they don't help either). I looked at the NAN package but I do not understand it. < 1473721186 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that does spund esoteric enough < 1473721248 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :While FFI is too slow. < 1473721300 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And some other stuff I have found fails to compile on this version of Node.js < 1473721309 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: that sounds bad. I hope you'll find other people on the internet who understand node.js and can help you. < 1473721478 0 :digin4!~digin4@unaffiliated/digin4 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1473721612 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-43500d4c.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1473721803 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found a few different packages for accessing SQLite from JavaScript but none of them are very good. < 1473722053 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :None of them allow implement virtual table modules or VFS. I found sql.js which implements SQLite entirely in JavaScript (so there is no need for native addons), although it only works with in-memory databases (VFS support could avoid this limitation), and since it is implemented entirely in JavaScript it cannot use SQLite extensions. < 1473722092 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that latter is scary < 1473722109 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so can you perhaps take one of the existing extensions, if they're of a good quality, and extend them? < 1473722528 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What latter is scary? < 1473722605 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: the part where they implement it in node.js < 1473722770 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why are addons so difficult? < 1473722860 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have seen someone wanted to add built-in FFI support to V8 and that would improve it a lot. But, they don't do that yet < 1473722941 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: can I ask why you're using node.js? < 1473722950 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just curious < 1473722996 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is to execute a JavaScript program, so that I can write a JavaScript program with < 1473723045 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1473723604 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would expect that communicating through a pipe would be as slow as FFI, I think? Node.js doesn't even have a function to create a pipe. < 1473723750 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1473723943 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know any C++ programming? < 1473724052 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :who, me? yes < 1473724190 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you would know how to do it then. < 1473724196 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Potentially-useful function: sign-preserving power < 1473724253 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: Yes, I think in some circumstances it can help. < 1473724254 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :b^'p = sgn(b)*abs(b)^p < 1473724263 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how to do what? < 1473724273 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I have had use for such in some program I have written once) < 1473724273 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: The most notable circumstance, I think, is root-mean-square < 1473724298 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because negative numbers don't really go well in the root-mean-square AFAICT (they become positive) < 1473724302 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: How to do Node.js extension with NAN. I read the documentation but I don't understand so well < 1473724324 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I don't know anything about node.js < 1473724346 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So replace the square root with the sign-preserving square root and instead of squaring numbers, sign-preserving square them < 1473724530 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least some of the time, negative numbers are *supposed* to become positive when you root-mean-square them. < 1473724531 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Root-mean-square is usually about getting the "magnitude" of something... I think. < 1473724550 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :One example is the way that we talk about AC voltage. < 1473724568 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: I thought it was just a different version of average with some different benefits and downsides < 1473724570 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :When people talk about "120 volts AC", that means AC with a RMS of 120 volts. < 1473724583 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Traditionally, is the distance between two complex numbers real or complex? E.g. do you just find the absolute value of the difference of their absolute values, or would it actually be complex itself?) < 1473724613 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: Look at the documentation for NAN and see if you can understand that if you know any C++ programming. < 1473724617 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The distance between two complex numbers is the absolute value of their difference. So it's always real and nonnegative. < 1473724625 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Ah < 1473724656 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION . o O ( sqrt((a-c)^2+((b-d)^2)i) ) < 1473724657 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: got a link? < 1473724697 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: https://github.com/nodejs/nan < 1473724820 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: sorry, I'm not going to try to understand that now < 1473724857 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1473725057 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1473725496 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sigh. There's this language I'm creating... I think I'm calling it Tokiber. < 1473725496 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This language is experimental and will probably never be implemented. < 1473725522 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's kind of funny how it's turning out so far. < 1473725555 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Examples of things I have figured out how to define: monoids, groups, rings, categories, functors, natural transformations. < 1473725564 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Example of something I haven't figured out how to define: addition. < 1473725816 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tunes isn't loading :( < 1473727095 0 :hydraz!?@? NICK :hydPaz < 1473729114 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1473729663 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Try defining subtraction; then you just do a-(0-b) < 1473729695 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would be great, except that I've only defined the natural numbers, not the integers. < 1473729702 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: laaaaaaame < 1473729711 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(What's the language like?) < 1473729724 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like a deranged version of Haskell. < 1473729731 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If all nuclear powers made a no-first-use policy, would nuclear weapons even be useful? < 1473729767 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(How about "no-first-use, but only for countries that have the same policy or a total no-first-use policy?) < 1473729770 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, if everyone is obeying a no-first-use policy, then nobody can ever use nuclear weapons. < 1473729779 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/\)/"\)/ < 1473729784 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Excellent, excellent < 1473729791 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: What's the policy on chemical weapons? < 1473729792 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Making them useless. < 1473729807 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: I have a definition of integer addition in Haskell at http://www.math.bme.hu/~ambrus/pu/Bin.hs , maybe try to derange that < 1473729873 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Can you do 2-tuples? < 1473729878 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And booleans? < 1473729886 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it has 2-tuples and booleans. < 1473729889 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: nuclear weapons are useful to prevent others from changing their minds about using them hth < 1473729900 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yeah, that's what I figured < 1473729906 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The definition of booleans is a little weird. < 1473729937 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: OK, then an integer is (Nat, Bool). If the boolean is true, it's negative, if it's false, it's the same as the Nat < 1473729940 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :theory BoolType { sort Bool; true : Bool; false : Bool; } < 1473729978 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, how do I define subtraction on integers without already having defined addition on natural numbers? < 1473730164 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: see the definitions I linked? it defines addition and subtraction independetly. though you can also define them together, if you want shorter definitions, like < 1473730247 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in http://www.perlmonks.com/?node_id=849296 where I define addition, subtraction, and comparison all together, although that only works for natural numbers < 1473730257 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"General of the Armies" is apparently the highest available military rank (basically a 6-star general). George Washington was posthumously promoted; only one American has ever received it while alive < 1473730266 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Well, highest army rank) < 1473730269 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that latter is cheating, it uses a lot of perl's builtins < 1473730289 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so look at the haskell one, which defines the operations straight with pattern matching on algebraic types < 1473730351 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note that I think the hard part here is defining the *language*. < 1473730383 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not having trouble defining addition; I'm having trouble deciding which language features to add in order to allow myself to define addition. < 1473730392 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: ok < 1473730412 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.5+sqrt(1.25)-star general < 1473730448 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it's easier, I prefer languages that have arithmetic built-in, so why don't you add arithmetic as a language feature? < 1473730477 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I don't have to. < 1473730533 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :All right. I think I've figured it out. < 1473730547 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm gonna post some stuff. < 1473730556 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Paste some stuff, rather. < 1473730561 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if you don't want any arithmetic built-ins, then I recommend my haskell code, because it shows how to define addition and subtraction and multiplication and division of integers represented in binary from the ground up < 1473730665 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1473730702 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, legally, George Washington outranks everyone forever. < 1473730756 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hpp: how can he outrank everyone forever? can't people just invent higher ranks later? like, if I take over the world and name myself dictator, then I give myself whatever titles and ranks I want. < 1473730804 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: Yeah, but if a higher rank is created he gets promoted to it < 1473730823 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not if I'm a dictator < 1473730824 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It may take them a while to remember to do that though) < 1473730829 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :He doesn't outrank me. < 1473730841 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: Well if you're a dictator, the US no longer exists so that law is void < 1473730870 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://lpaste.net/192258 - addition and multiplication defined in my language. < 1473730888 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: Also, outranks in the army. Dictator is political < 1473730900 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION . o O ( Does a dictator count as a politician? ) < 1473730913 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, dictators decide policy. That makes them politicians. < 1473731067 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: It just doesn't feel right to call them that though; they don't have to worry about "approval ratings" or "not being evil" < 1473731328 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1473731331 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lemme look up the definition... < 1473731371 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"One engaged in politics, especially an elected or appointed government official." https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/politician < 1473731389 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Google says: "a person who is professionally involved in politics, especially as a holder of or a candidate for an elected office." < 1473731407 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So the holder of an elected political office is definitely a politician. < 1473731421 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'd say that you're still a politician even if the office isn't elected. < 1473731895 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: so does this language have deranged GADT so you can define types with higher-rank polymorphism and non-uniform recursive functions on them? < 1473731932 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I mean, does it have deranged GADT so you can define types with deranged higher-rank polymorphism and deranged non-uniform recursive functions on them? < 1473731936 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So far I don't think I have any kind of polymorphism at all. I don't know what a non-uniform recursive function is. < 1473731963 0 :7GHAB0D05!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1473731963 0 :7F1AB7QLJ!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1473731973 0 :7F1AB7QLJ!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Client Quit < 1473731973 0 :7GHAB0D05!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Client Quit < 1473731985 0 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1473731985 0 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Client Quit < 1473731996 0 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1473732271 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. My next challenge will be defining lists. < 1473732306 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: I think you'll need polymorphism to define lists in general < 1473732353 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...wait, why is the UK not called the United Queendom? < 1473732396 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: yup. Lists are kind of inherently a polymorphic thing. < 1473732411 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: they'd have to change their name every time the monarch changes genders. < 1473732445 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Their national anthem is "God Save the Queen" < 1473732471 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If their monarch was a cross-dressing man, would it still be "God Save the [Drag] Queen"? < 1473732500 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wikipedia says that the name of the national anthem *does* change every time the monarch changes genders. < 1473732514 0 :MDude!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1473732522 0 :Caesura!~Aedile@cpe-174-100-169-144.neo.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1473732666 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, they change the portrait of the queen on coins < 1473732811 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Quit: Rebooting < 1473733003 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is QUIT :Quit: Zarutian < 1473733162 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm so do norwegians. not sure about the song thing (it's not our national anthem, but we have a king song with the same melody as the english one. in two generations we might get our first modern queen, too. i can see a slight scansion problem with changing the lyrics...) < 1473733162 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If one were to personify countries and other government (and non-government) organizations, how would subdivisions and such work? < 1473733184 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would US states be younger siblings or children of the US? And what about the Confederacy? < 1473733224 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(they use to play both songs when the king holds his new year speech) < 1473733258 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*modern queen regnant < 1473733269 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel like the Confederacy should be a child of the US (and the US the child of the UK), but then the US states can't be that because a rebellion is distinctly different from a subsidiary government (duh) < 1473733348 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the scansion problem is that the norwegian equivalents of "him" and "her" don't have the same number of syllables.) < 1473733415 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: That was my point < 1473733449 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Your language is terrible hth < 1473733473 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: "ham" vs "henne" is terrible? < 1473733510 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes. The syllables of common words with almost identical meaning that only vary by context must be equal < 1473733534 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :the confederacy and the union should be like in fight club obv. < 1473733616 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Wat? < 1473733620 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that doesn't sound like a big problem. I mean, the poets who write the text of these anthems and other songs can work that around and make lyrics for both version. < 1473733622 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I'm going for familial relations < 1473733640 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :well your alternate personality is surely a family member < 1473733648 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :True... < 1473733649 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: the lyrics for the male version is already traditional, though. < 1473733651 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooooooh < 1473733673 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You mean like [SPOILERS FOR THOSE WHO ARE TERRIBLE] how Brad Pitt is all in his head? < 1473733686 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :y < 1473733697 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1473733702 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That makes some sense I guess < 1473733704 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*are < 1473733751 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: they'd work like Steven Universe. < 1473733764 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose that works? But it doesn't feel right, because if the confederacy had succeeded it'd be a distinct country < 1473733779 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The United States is a single person that can split into 50 people (and a bunch of territories). < 1473733788 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: which reminds me that russian is also terrible: он vs. она < 1473733789 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Nopenopenopenopenope < 1473733791 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And they can fuse back into one person. < 1473733793 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: so what's the solution? < 1473733802 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Successor/splinter nations have to be children, I feel, but constituent states should be too... < 1473733803 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: oh, a superhero! < 1473733806 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so is latin: is vs. ea < 1473733842 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Also, what if I need Texas to talk to the US as a whole? < 1473733867 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I guess I could just not be particularly clear as to how it works, but that doesn't seem as fun < 1473733947 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And there's also the problem of other things- what the hell are the Democratic Party and the Republican Party? I guess they could be siblings?) < 1473733954 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: go, went, gone < 1473734003 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose I could add some non-human stuff to it; both states AND rebellions would be be children, but rebellions are distinct in that they can just kind of separate < 1473734087 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: solution? i dunno. they've got a generation or so to find out. < 1473734159 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: wait by "traditional", you don't mean it's been used for so long that there's been many kings and queens since, right < 1473734202 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: there hasn't been a queen regnant since medieval times < 1473734219 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1473734223 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :long before the song was composed. < 1473734234 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes sense < 1473734267 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1473734278 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, it's only with the current generation the laws were changed to make a queen regnant _legal_ < 1473734289 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: I don't really know how that works. < 1473734300 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :previously it was agnatic primogeniture < 1473734364 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: have you considered that the answer to "how does this work" is "it doesn't" hth < 1473734441 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I think Hungary has only had one queen too, queen Mária Terézia, and that was way back when people were traditionally very gender-biased, so she needed some special stuff done by her ancestors so that she can be queen. < 1473734551 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope, I'm wrong, she wasn't the only queen. < 1473734585 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was another queen before her in the Anjou dynasty < 1473734614 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the king had elder sisters who were simply left out of the line; the crown prince has an elder sister who is in the line but _after_ him and his descendants. only the next generation will have complete equality. < 1473734639 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(of succession) < 1473734738 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only queen regnant in norwegian history was Margrete I, who was also queen of denmark and sweden. < 1473734866 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Moreover, in Númenor of old the sceptre descended to the eldest child of the king, whether man or woman. It is true that the law has not been observed in the lands of exile ever troubled by war; but such was the law of our people, to which we now refer, seeing that the sons of Ondoher died childless. < 1473735061 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1473735128 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently the mezzacotta people have decided to keep doing privately the puzzle competitions they used to do on behalf of the company http://www.mezzacotta.net/puzzle/ < 1473735150 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has never tried them, just felt like passing on < 1473735247 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yup < 1473735286 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :dammit now tunes loads but not in the browser < 1473735391 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah it was probably my own demonstration of a lambdabot trick that triggered it. < 1473735645 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that and quintopia's massive `unidecode line right after < 1473735969 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nabjol (opposite of Lojban): All sentences are exactly the same ("Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn") < 1473736322 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell izalove why is there no link bot in this chan? <-- because i banned the last one hth < 1473736322 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1473736334 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: tdh thx hand < 1473736379 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You know who ELSE used laws to stop debates‽ HILTER!" < 1473736404 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yw̼ < 1473736421 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode w̼ < 1473736424 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+0077 LATIN SMALL LETTER W] [U+033C COMBINING SEAGULL BELOW] < 1473736426 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: v. clever < 1473736435 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I didn't get it last time. < 1473736443 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you got it on only my third try! < 1473736454 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :look < 1473736459 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :my terminal gets messed up all the time < 1473736473 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fiendish < 1473736555 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn HILTER is what happens when someone combines argumentum ad hitlerum, shouting, and muphry's law in one glorious clusterfuck. < 1473736558 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'hilter': HILTER is what happens when someone combines argumentum ad hitlerum, shouting, and muphry's law in one glorious clusterfuck. < 1473737204 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03XxXEliteXxx 5* 10New user account < 1473737219 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks promising < 1473737260 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you think < 1473737279 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :XxXYesXxx < 1473737292 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hasn't managed to get snagged in the filter yet < 1473737331 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :have i been pinger < 1473737369 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno, read the logs < 1473737412 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: barely. < 1473737463 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm looks like a vandal rather than a spammer so far < 1473737482 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :that thing i was unidecoding renders fine for me, but i couldn't even tell what the underlying letters were < 1473737527 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`döts fiendish < 1473737529 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fïëndïsḧ < 1473737616 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay...turns out trying to find the optimal tokenization for this coder is REALLY SLOW. even if it compresses like 20% better it won't be worth this ridiculous wait... < 1473737621 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you are fondish of that word < 1473737657 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am fondish of fondue. it's a fun dish. < 1473737750 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :(when i go hiking, i prefer a foon dish.) < 1473737801 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=49713&oldid=49681 5* 03XxXEliteXxx 5* (+200) 10 < 1473737815 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Deadfish14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=49714&oldid=49631 5* 03XxXEliteXxx 5* (-89) 10Removed unnecessary comment < 1473737958 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Deadfish14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=49715&oldid=49714 5* 03XxXEliteXxx 5* (-62) 10 < 1473738948 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: shocking < 1473739083 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Deadfish14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=49716&oldid=49715 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+89) 10Undo revision 49714 by [[Special:Contributions/XxXEliteXxx|XxXEliteXxx]] ([[User talk:XxXEliteXxx|talk]]) (This comment is by the language inventor and therefore sacred HTH) < 1473739205 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i'm still not sure it's promising, but at least it's not a spammer. < 1473739957 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1473740963 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1473741126 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Wait, would EU be the child or the parent of several countries? < 1473741172 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The merging of two countries- e.g. East and West Germany- is of course caused by them having a child and then that child getting batman'd < 1473741173 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1473741202 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or maybe they'll just adorably merge. Not sure how much I want to real-world it) < 1473741255 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :De jure East and West Germany didn't merge, instead East Germany was entirely dissolved and its constituent territories joined West Germany. < 1473741272 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It wasn't an adorable merge. < 1473742082 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: What coder is that? < 1473742146 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1473743221 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yeah; they merged and WG stuck. < 1473743230 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :EG was absorbed into WG < 1473743483 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: Was it majestic? < 1473743499 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Magic: the Gathering has Urza's Avenger and the variant Jodah's Avenger but I would want to make up this new variant: {0}: ~ gets -1/-1 and gains your choice of banding, flanking, skulk, or menace until end of turn. < 1473743749 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Science: The Agriculturing < 1473743932 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuckin morons... < 1473743971 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pearson Education only lets your password be a-zA-Z0-9@._- < 1473743979 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It also has a MAXIMUM length < 1473743995 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hpp: what's the maximum length? < 1473744010 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a maximum length of 1024 bytes or something can be reasonable < 1473744021 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: 32 < 1473744025 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :32 characters < 1473744030 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :though I'd prefer 4096 bytes < 1473744036 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :32? that's too low < 1473744037 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it encourages the ones humans can't remember but computers can guess < 1473744041 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: Yeah. Fucking idiots. < 1473744071 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you use a random string for that then at least you get a reasonable 193 bits of entropy. < 1473744073 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :who are these... oh, Pearson Education! yes, I've met the website of those idiots < 1473744076 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, ugh. < 1473744124 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has other problems than that < 1473744140 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :32 characters should be enough f < 1473744219 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, but "may we spam you" is unchecked by default < 1473744247 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: It's mandatory for AP Physics < 1473744340 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your password should have a very long maximum length (at least 255, preferably much more), a minimum of perhaps four or five, and allow any sequence of bytes including control characters and invalid UTF-8 sequences and whatever else you want. < 1473744360 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: agreed < 1473744379 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh well, at least I used a password I've never used before < 1473744427 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Any sequence *longer than a certain length < 1473744429 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :except it shouldn't allow tXqW0J9TC . That's a bad password, especially since it's now in the logs. < 1473744468 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think these sites should have a minlength and NO other requirements; if you get hacked because someone guesses it, it's your fault for choosing a shitty password < 1473744487 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(There's no way they could just know what is obvious to people who know you) < 1473744500 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hpp: no no, I think it's completely fine to have SOME max length. I recommend 4096 bytes. < 1473744501 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course you shouldn't select that password now it is in logs, but I think it shouldn't check anything except the length, and it is up to the user what password they want even if duplicating someone else's password by coincidence. < 1473744502 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Minmax = 4096 bytes; all bits in the byte are independent < 1473744510 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: Well yeah, and a max < 1473744514 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :A maximum length is needed, although it should be very high. < 1473744528 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Preferably at least 4096 bytes. < 1473744549 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Yes, the "NO other requirements" was practical, not technical < 1473744589 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(For the average user, "your password can't be more than 4096 bytes" isn't a requirement; it's just assumed because who would ever have a password that long? It's not like there are programs that make absurd passwords for you < 1473744589 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the system cannot handle that, lower it to 255, but you should try to avoid needing to lower it that much I think < 1473744604 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Yes; you CAN lower it, but if you do you aren't using a very good system < 1473744618 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I agree, it isn't a very good system if you have to do < 1473744620 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: In fact, any sort of max length is kind of weird; you're hashing the password anyway < 1473744638 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or if you aren't, YOU ARE DOING THIS WRONG START HASHING THOSE PASSWORDS STAT < 1473744645 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :AND ADD SOME SALT < 1473744654 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, and what kind of hashing? Yes, hashing and salt should be used. < 1473744657 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :AND MEGA-ENCRYPT THE HINTS, DAMMIT < 1473744683 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Good hashing; arguably, any hash works, but a cryptographic hash is what you should use < 1473744685 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No mandatory password hints. < 1473744694 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Of course, and no security questions < 1473744697 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*mandatory < 1473744709 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, no mandatory security questions either. < 1473744724 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That defeats the purpose of a secure password because people can just check your biography < 1473744741 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Security questions should be optional, and you should be able to add your own < 1473744742 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it does, especially if your security question is that easy! < 1473744762 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yes I agree, if security questions are provided at all, it should be optional and you are allowed to write your own question. < 1473744794 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is your mother's maiden name? What is the name of your first pet? What was your favourite class in school? < 1473744796 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Yes, and if it's a bad question it's your own fault < 1473744826 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes you are right it is your own fault < 1473744837 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and your bank card pin code should be the year and month of your child's birthdate. < 1473744903 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Four digits maximum is a too short password. < 1473744909 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: I wouldn't use bank card pins unless they let me make them (a) hex (b) 32 digits < 1473744925 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I don't think it's even a real password; the security is in "don't walk off with your card" < 1473744927 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The password for your bank card and credit card and whatever should have a much larger maximum than just four digits. < 1473744936 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/walk off/let other people walk off/ < 1473744943 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hpp: how do you convince everyone with a POS terminal to allow that? < 1473744976 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: Anyone who doesn't will be taken into the woods and shot < 1473744983 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the current system is insecure even if they did make passwords longer actually. < 1473744999 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did propose my own system and protocol, and the customer is allowed to provide their own keypad. < 1473745011 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :This can also prevent the merchant from cheating by making it display the wrong price. < 1473745036 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Display the wrong price where? < 1473745057 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the keypad for the credit card transaction < 1473745064 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah? < 1473745070 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds a little suspicious, but OK < 1473745081 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: You should also be able to set up a separate duress pin that works like the "enter your pin backwards" myth, but actually works < 1473745097 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is why customer should be allowed to use their own keypad with their own software. < 1473745135 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then, based on their own software and on the credit card company's service, other things might be possible such as passwords that automatically change every day if you want to. < 1473745166 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or alphanumeric passwords, or keypads that move the digits around to make it difficult to watch, or whatever) < 1473745252 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: You should also be able to configure your garage door opener to lock/unlock the garage and disable certain remotes at will < 1473745255 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then, the same protocol is used for the purchase by internet by credit cards; either by connecting your own keypad to the computer or by having a program on your computer tat emulates it. < 1473745288 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@cm-58-10-238-206.revip7.asianet.co.th JOIN :#esoteric < 1473745289 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(e.g. "Your remote will only open my garage after 8:00, so you don't use it for non-booty-call-related purposes") < 1473745291 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: Possibly someone might figure out such things < 1473745337 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reprogramming the garage mechanism in that way does not seem to be way too difficult, although you may need to install your own computer hardware to control it with < 1473745350 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Yeah, probably < 1473745359 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I want my router to be scriptable < 1473745372 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to be able to put a Python program on the router and control how things work < 1473745388 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :("This computer can use the internet, but all images get flipped vertically") < 1473745422 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That might be too difficult since it has to figure out what is a picture; there are different formats, different protocols, and different kinds of encryption. < 1473745539 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: upside-down-ternet < 1473745608 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just turn the monitor upsidedown; now the picture is upsidedown and it work regardless of the file format and protocols in use. < 1473745643 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: No, but I want it to work on unsuspecting victims < 1473745650 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, conditionallky < 1473745658 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want my router to be scriptable at will < 1473745704 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I too want router to be reprogrammable, but I described why that won't work anyways. < 1473745762 0 :Caesura!~Aedile@cpe-174-100-169-144.neo.res.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1473745807 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What you can think of the Magic: the Gathering card I made up shown above? < 1473745902 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: that {0} activation morphling? you didn't tell what it costs, the types and p/t < 1473745917 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you show the full card? < 1473745992 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: In fact, I think many of them are reprogrammable < 1473746278 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, Squid (http://www.squid-cache.org/) does something like this, it looks like < 1473746312 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: Look at Urza's Avenger and Jodah's Avenger; I intended to be similar to that, although such details could differ from those possibly. Those ones cost six mana to cast and are 4/4 < 1473746354 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`card-by-name Urza's Avenger < 1473746355 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Urza's Avenger \ 6 \ Artifact Creature -- Shapeshifter \ 4/4 \ {0}: Urza's Avenger gets -1/-1 and gains your choice of banding, flying, first strike, or trample until end of turn. (Any creatures with banding, and up to one without, can attack in a band. Bands are blocked as a group. If any creatures with banding you control are blocking or being bl < 1473746361 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`card-by-name Jodah's Avenger < 1473746362 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jodah's Avenger \ 5U \ Creature -- Shapeshifter \ 4/4 \ {0}: Until end of turn, Jodah's Avenger gets -1/-1 and gains your choice of double strike, protection from red, vigilance, or shadow. (A creature with shadow can block or be blocked by only creatures with shadow.) \ PLC-U < 1473746855 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now do you know if you think of what I wrote? < 1473746981 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: What would be the uses of fully-scriptable routers do you think? < 1473747070 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: Program more versatile incoming and outgoing filters, logs, automatic dynamic DNS update, automatic time update, port knocking, etc. < 1473747120 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dynamic Wi-Fi passwords (if you have a wireless router), and perhaps even to alter which services are available depending which password is used. < 1473747174 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, sorry < 1473747194 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :from a router, I prefer low latency and high bandwidth of transferring data on the network over versatile filters < 1473747244 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, although sometimes having more filters can be more useful especially if written in C or whatever instead of Python. < 1473747290 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Program can be recompiled if you want to alter the filters. < 1473747302 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, routers shouldn't mess with filters. they should just transfer my data in the right route < 1473747330 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes the filter is needed in order to decide what route, though. < 1473747371 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no way. finding the right route is done by magic, not filters. < 1473747374 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :filters can't do that. < 1473747419 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then allow it to be reprogrammed by magic and then recompiled if the setting needs changed, instead of by filters. < 1473747632 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Ooooh < 1473747651 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: Then you use the low-latency high-bandwidth password < 1473747869 0 :carado!~carado@2a01:e34:ec1e:2390:8341:b3f5:2d6:41fa JOIN :#esoteric < 1473750145 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@cm-58-10-238-206.revip7.asianet.co.th QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1473750285 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1473750418 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1473752063 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1473753157 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@cm-58-10-238-206.revip7.asianet.co.th JOIN :#esoteric < 1473753412 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@cm-58-10-238-206.revip7.asianet.co.th QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1473753643 0 :danofthedeep!~danofthed@c-174-50-100-100.hsd1.ga.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1473753672 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1473757498 0 :augur!~augur@2601:640:8001:4222:5d21:d155:c9cf:d811 JOIN :#esoteric < 1473759105 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-2hj4tbos9tbg6q7wl5uwqwgtb.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1473759295 0 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-okqtroosrxchawxj QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1473759306 0 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-ffhtbtbbpdgjnnnx JOIN :#esoteric < 1473759381 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@cm-58-10-238-206.revip7.asianet.co.th JOIN :#esoteric < 1473760523 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://twitter.com/Verbalneurotik/status/756743574276956160 dafuq did i just watch < 1473761572 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@cm-58-10-238-206.revip7.asianet.co.th QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1473761613 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@cm-58-10-238-206.revip7.asianet.co.th JOIN :#esoteric < 1473761703 0 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1473761725 0 :atslash!~atslash@broadband-46-188-0-82.2com.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1473762363 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@cm-58-10-238-206.revip7.asianet.co.th QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1473763038 0 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@194.108.5.201 JOIN :#esoteric < 1473765796 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Kenrube 5* 10New user account < 1473765878 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@cm-58-10-238-206.revip7.asianet.co.th JOIN :#esoteric < 1473766200 0 :atslash!~atslash@broadband-46-188-0-82.2com.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1473766217 0 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1473766662 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=49717&oldid=49713 5* 03Kenrube 5* (+166) 10/* Introductions */ < 1473766686 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Polyglot14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=49718&oldid=49118 5* 03Kenrube 5* (-44) 10 < 1473766998 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1473769488 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@cm-58-10-238-206.revip7.asianet.co.th QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1473769642 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@cm-58-10-238-206.revip7.asianet.co.th JOIN :#esoteric < 1473771229 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1473773294 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@cm-58-10-238-206.revip7.asianet.co.th QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1473776733 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-43500d4c.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1473777823 0 :augur!~augur@2601:640:8001:4222:5d21:d155:c9cf:d811 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1473778309 0 :Caesura!~Aedile@casewireless03.CWRU.Edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1473778743 0 :Caesura!~Aedile@casewireless03.CWRU.Edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1473778991 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@cm-58-10-238-206.revip7.asianet.co.th JOIN :#esoteric < 1473779919 0 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@82.144.205.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1473780910 0 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com < 1473781258 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@cm-58-10-238-206.revip7.asianet.co.th QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1473781264 0 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1473781454 0 :MoALTz!~no@78-11-247-26.static.ip.netia.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1473781540 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@ppp-223-24-18-161.revip6.asianet.co.th JOIN :#esoteric < 1473783011 0 :diginet!~diginet@107.170.146.29 QUIT :Quit: diginet has quit! < 1473783024 0 :diginet!~diginet@107.170.146.29 JOIN :#esoteric < 1473783121 0 :pelegreno!~cinch@107.170.175.57 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1473783151 0 :pelegreno_!~cinch@107.170.175.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1473783221 0 :Yurume_!23f9939a@121.78.85.35 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1473783299 0 :Yurume_!23f9939a@121.78.85.35 JOIN :#esoteric < 1473783932 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@ppp-223-24-18-161.revip6.asianet.co.th QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1473784106 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@cm-58-10-238-206.revip7.asianet.co.th JOIN :#esoteric < 1473784618 0 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1473784670 0 :atslash!~atslash@broadband-46-188-0-82.2com.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1473785517 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1473786680 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :A new custom Magic: the Gathering card (cost, name, and type, currently unknown): Cast ~ only during your precombat main phase. ;; Creatures can't attack players. ;; Phasing < 1473788625 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:64d4:7f7b:2220:8775 JOIN :#esoteric < 1473789048 0 :FireFly!?@? NICK :EvilFly < 1473789773 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@cm-58-10-238-206.revip7.asianet.co.th QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1473789788 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:64d4:7f7b:2220:8775 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1473790552 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1473790597 0 :Reece`!~Ner@cpc88067-wiga13-2-0-cust35.18-3.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1473791181 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :does js even distiguish between when obj.member is not present versus present and set to null? < 1473791238 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1473791261 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, if not present in the object or in its prototype chain, the value will be undefined, which is different from null. < 1473791319 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try: Object.keys({y:undefined,x:undefined,z:null}) < 1473791354 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you can always "undefined = null" < 1473791409 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, since "undefined" is not a keyword < 1473791462 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can write void(0) instead < 1473791479 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or you can write (()=>{})() < 1473791489 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the point is can you test whether obj has the member x? < 1473791503 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes you can test that! < 1473791527 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, so what I'm doing makes sense then. < 1473791547 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can use the "in" operator, and you can use Object.keys < 1473791566 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm using a member being present as opposed to absent to signal the client ot do something < 1473791587 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if that member is null < 1473791613 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, although the default value of a nonexistent property is undefined instead of null. < 1473791882 0 :EvilFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lua is the one that doesn't distinguish between the two < 1473791885 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-170.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Although, the "in" operator checks in the entire prototype chain and not just the object itself. You can use Object.getOwnPropertyDescriptor to check for the existence on only the object itself.) < 1473791903 0 :EvilFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :(setting a member to nil is how you "delete" the member; they're intetionally not distinguishable from inside the language as far as I know) < 1473793775 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1473794259 0 :EvilFly!?@? NICK :FireFly < 1473795385 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-85.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1473795531 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1473796336 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is JOIN :#esoteric < 1473796381 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1473796383 0 :Zarutian_!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is JOIN :#esoteric < 1473796388 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hippavilion[!] < 1473796457 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :man the usa is turning into a giant basket of deplorable frogs < 1473796484 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: why are you evil twh < 1473796496 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the wolves howl) < 1473796508 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well I felt evil for a while, but then it passed < 1473796530 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: are you a deplorable frog yet? < 1473796536 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What? < 1473796545 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wouldn't an evil person also claim that it passed? < 1473796574 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.hillaryclinton.com/post/donald-trump-pepe-the-frog-and-white-supremacists-an-explainer/ < 1473796607 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hillary clinton's campaign now claims that pepe the frog is an official mascot of deplorable white supremacists < 1473796642 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@LFbn-1-3085-42.w90-79.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well it kinda is < 1473796644 0 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why would any Person be evil? < 1473796691 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly is a firefly, I think. < 1473796737 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION glows < 1473796739 0 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok. < 1473796751 0 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is mostly polymorphed into a grinning Cat. < 1473796761 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :APic: I believe few people consider themselves to be evil. < 1473796767 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: I can't beleive it's gotten to this point. us canadians should just invade, declare martial law, and feed americans tim hortons until they regain sanity < 1473796777 0 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: True. < 1473796785 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i,i US Canadians < 1473796867 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know, like a UN intervention deal type thing < 1473796884 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :canadians are good at that < 1473796900 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Canada is too big. < 1473796926 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1473796928 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But Canadians are all right next to the US border. Probably all wishing they could get in. < 1473796952 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, we're preparing for the invasion < 1473797012 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like as soon as the us governemnt fully collapses. < 1473797037 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're about, oh, frog percent collapsed right now < 1473797061 0 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Many People cannot count, yes. < 1473797830 0 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1473797839 0 :digitalcold!~redacted@192.73.232.206 JOIN :#esoteric < 1473797897 0 :pelegreno_!~cinch@107.170.175.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1473798107 0 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/session JOIN :#esoteric < 1473798111 0 :Reece`!~Ner@cpc88067-wiga13-2-0-cust35.18-3.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1473798179 0 :vifino!~vifino@tty.sh JOIN :#esoteric < 1473798179 0 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe JOIN :#esoteric < 1473798179 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1473798179 0 :mtve!~mtve@10130.x.rootbsd.net JOIN :#esoteric <