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00:16:12 <boily> hellørjan.
00:17:29 <oerjan> evenoily.
00:23:57 <boily> fungot: fungellot.
00:23:57 <fungot> boily: thanks for the help guys
00:24:05 <boily> fungot: always glad to help you.
00:24:05 <fungot> boily: let's try this again. sorry for the off-topicness),
00:24:15 <boily> fungot: when do you want to?
00:24:15 <fungot> boily: shinta pasted " why i like plt though. it sucks. they removed all the changes are commited in cvsroot, which is generally very well liked.
00:24:28 <boily> fungot: no, CVS isn't well-liked.
00:24:29 <fungot> boily: ( the acknowledgements, not as heavily optimizing as possible; mlton is a fnord bumped loop variable'?
00:37:16 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[A Pear Tree]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50496&oldid=50471 * Ais523 * (+201) an obvious improvement
00:37:37 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[A Pear Tree]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50497&oldid=50496 * Ais523 * (-3) don't link the same file twice
00:42:28 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[A Pear Tree]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50498&oldid=50497 * Ais523 * (+53) I must really confine myself to fewer markup variants at once
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03:15:01 <hppavilion[1]> Ham, is there a way to play Telephone over IRC?
03:15:05 <hppavilion[1]> Like, in a fun way?
03:15:13 <shachaf> `5 w
03:15:27 <HackEgo> 1/2:society//Society's a platypus. \ freefull//FreeFull the Unpronounceable is either full of freedom or free of fulldom, we are not sure. \ fire//Fire, fire, everywhere, nor any drop to drink. \ pineapple//Pineapple is a hybrid species descended from a cultivar of spinach and wild ivy, making it a class 6 vegetable. \ atriq//atriq
03:15:59 <shachaf> `spam
03:16:01 <HackEgo> 2/2:or two
03:16:08 <shachaf> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_wisdoms
03:16:27 <shachaf> `cat bin/distort
03:16:27 <HackEgo> ​#!/usr/bin/env python \ import sys \ N=330 \ name = sys.argv[1] if len(sys.argv) > 1 else "/dev/stdin" \ with open(name, "r") as f: \ data = ' \\ '.join(f.read().splitlines()) \ for i in xrange(0, len(data), N): \ print data[i:i+N]
03:16:49 <shachaf> `sled bin/distort//s06
03:16:53 <HackEgo> bin/distort//#!/usr/bin/env python \ import sys \ N=336 \ name = sys.argv[1] if len(sys.argv) > 1 else "/dev/stdin" \ with open(name, "r") as f: \ data = ' \\ '.join(f.read().splitlines()) \ for i in xrange(0, len(data), N): \ print data[i:i+N]
03:17:36 <shachaf> `1 for i in {1..100}; do for j in {0..9}; do echo -n $j; done; done
03:17:39 <HackEgo> 1/3:012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345
03:17:42 <shachaf> `spam
03:17:43 <HackEgo> 2/3:678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901
03:17:46 <shachaf> looks ok
03:18:22 <shachaf> Hmm, but that was there to allow for a larger page number, right.
03:18:31 <shachaf> `1 for i in {1..10000}; do for j in {0..9}; do echo -n $j; done; done
03:18:40 <HackEgo> 1/298:012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345
03:18:48 <shachaf> `spam 297
03:18:50 <HackEgo> 297/298:678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901
03:18:51 <shachaf> `spam 298
03:18:52 <HackEgo> 298/298:2345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789
03:19:03 <shachaf> Unfortunately this can't be tested in /msg.
03:19:04 <FreeFull> Why?
03:19:16 <shachaf> ?
03:24:52 <\oren\> ❄dvcalc 28.609 1620 aerospike
03:24:52 <\oren\> ☃ Δv = 3303.12473922689
03:25:38 <shachaf> You always post those things but no one knows what they mean.
03:25:46 <shachaf> By no one I mean not me.
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03:31:52 <\oren\> shachaf: it is a building aid for KSP
03:32:55 <\oren\> ❄dvcalc 59.909 3780 aerospike
03:32:55 <\oren\> ☃ Δv = 4019.76044244706
03:33:29 <\oren\> ❄dvcalc 59.909 2160 aerospike
03:33:29 <\oren\> ☃ Δv = 1704.95858909988
03:33:45 <shachaf> Why do you paste it here?
03:33:53 <shachaf> Does anyone else here do KSP?
03:41:14 <zzo38> I think it is a IRC script maybe?
03:41:32 <shachaf> That's possible. But why?
03:42:39 <zzo38> Maybe in case other people want to make this calculation too? I don't know why. But, write a local program to do may also be possible
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03:55:37 <oerjan> <shachaf> Unfortunately this can't be tested in /msg. <-- i'm not convinced: the 350 cutoff is done by HackEgo, not irc.
03:56:44 <zzo38> Even if the cutoff is done by the server, you can try to change your name to nine characters if you are doing by private messages perhaps; I don't know if it help or not but it is something that could be tried
03:57:07 <shachaf> oerjan: Well, IRC could cut it off further.
03:57:17 <shachaf> Also I didn't know or remember that HackEgo has a separate cutoff.
03:57:39 <oerjan> shachaf: i've assumed the HackEgo cutoff is supposed to be conservative...
03:58:23 <shachaf> oerjan: feel free to fix it hth
03:58:26 <shachaf> twh hand
03:58:43 <shachaf> i gotta hand it to to oerjan
03:58:51 <oerjan> it's not in my power to accept the PR.
03:59:08 <shachaf> pooch request?
04:00:18 <oerjan> also, the nick limit is something like 14 bytes.
04:01:13 <oerjan> hm HackEgo does not have reverse DNS
04:02:23 <shachaf> `` dowg | grep 'env \| paste'
04:02:23 <oerjan> oh actually it does, but the forward one is broken.
04:02:25 <shachaf> the obverse dns?
04:02:31 <oerjan> so the irc server ignores it.
04:02:34 <HackEgo> 8065:2016-05-15 <int-̈e> le/rn paste/"Paste" is a short story by Henry James. Its contents has been cut into pieces and distributed over numerous tin boxes on the World Wide Web, little pearls of wisdom buried among ordinary pastes. \ 6398:2015-12-17 <FireFl̈y> learn ARIN is the American Registry for Internet Numbers. Or a pastebin service; one o
04:02:42 <shachaf> `` dowg | grep 'env | paste'
04:02:51 <HackEgo> No output.
04:03:00 <shachaf> `` dowg | grep 'set | paste'
04:03:12 <HackEgo> No output.
04:03:25 <oerjan> shachaf: afaiu the irc server reverse lookups your ip, then checks if the result maps back to the same ip, and only then will it use the domain name rather than the ip.
04:03:44 <shachaf> What was it called?
04:03:46 <shachaf> Oh well.
04:03:47 <shachaf> `` env | paste
04:03:58 <HackEgo> http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/paste/paste.29844
04:04:31 <oerjan> but since the reverse lookup is longer, it's probably best to use the ip...
04:04:53 <oerjan> (for line length cutoff purposes)
04:05:27 <oerjan> of course if it pointed to esolangs.org, that would be even better.
04:08:57 <oerjan> `` ls bin/*env*
04:08:58 <HackEgo> bin/benvenuto \ bin/bienvenido \ bin/bienvenue
04:09:17 <oerjan> `` rgrep env bin
04:09:22 <HackEgo> bin/unidecode:#!/usr/bin/env python \ Binary file bin/ploki matches \ bin/frink:exec /hackenv/lib/frink -e "$@" \ bin/h:#!/hackenv/bin/shebang_args_or_input perl -p \ Binary file bin/udcli matches \ bin/rainwords:#!/hackenv/bin/shebang_args_or_input python \ bin/raw-url:#!/usr/bin/env python \ bin/bf:echo -n "${ci#*!}" | { /hackenv/interps/egobf/sr
04:09:30 <shachaf> bin/env/enido
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04:10:15 <oerjan> `` rgrep 'env [|] paste' bin
04:10:18 <HackEgo> No output.
04:10:28 * oerjan doesn't trust backslashes with regexps
04:11:03 <shachaf> Why would it be in bin?
04:11:05 <oerjan> `` rgrep -l paste bin
04:11:07 <HackEgo> bin/pastequotes \ bin/pastenquotes \ bin/hlnp \ bin/paste \ bin/pastelog \ bin/pastefortunes \ bin/pastekarma
04:11:15 <oerjan> shachaf: weren't you looking for a command?
04:11:23 <shachaf> No, I was looking for a previous-made paste.
04:11:53 <shachaf> `` dowg | grep 'env | paste'
04:12:05 <oerjan> OKAY
04:12:13 <HackEgo> No output.
04:12:50 <oerjan> `` dowg | grep 'env \\| paste'
04:12:53 <shachaf> Apparently not very well, though.
04:12:59 <HackEgo> No output.
04:13:06 <shachaf> oerjan: ' in bash has very simple escaping.
04:13:10 <shachaf> Nothing is escaped.
04:13:10 <oerjan> `` dowg | grep env | grep paste
04:13:21 <HackEgo> No output.
04:13:32 <shachaf> Maybe dowg simply takes too long to run.
04:13:34 <oerjan> ok it wouldn't have helped.
04:13:37 <shachaf> `` dowg | head | grep 'env | paste'
04:13:45 <HackEgo> No output.
04:13:49 <shachaf> `` dowg | head
04:13:54 <HackEgo> 9928:2016-12-10 <shachäf> whoops \ 9927:2016-12-10 <shachäf> learn whoops is a repluralizer. \ 9926:2016-12-10 <boil̈y> ` mv wisdom/tvtrope{s,} \ 9925:2016-12-10 <oerjän> learn Xenon is a noble gas element. It has been banned in most countries due to xenophobia. \ 9916:2016-12-10 <shachäf> undo 9422 \ 9915:2016-12-10 <oerjän> slwd squirr
04:14:10 <shachaf> `hurl
04:14:12 <HackEgo> http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/
04:14:24 <shachaf> Wait.
04:14:28 <shachaf> I meant doag.
04:14:33 <shachaf> scow
04:14:41 <shachaf> `` doag | grep 'env | paste'
04:14:47 <HackEgo> 9930:2016-12-11 <shachäf> ` env | paste
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04:14:54 <shachaf> `` doag | grep 'set | paste'
04:15:01 <HackEgo> No output.
04:15:07 <shachaf> The trouble is that dowg and doag are homonyms.
04:15:15 <oerjan> shoaking
04:15:59 <shachaf> Where's the repository with the thing that actually runs the commands?
04:16:05 <shachaf> With mercurial and everything.
04:16:11 <shachaf> Why is everything such a mess to find?
04:16:20 <oerjan> `url
04:16:22 <HackEgo> http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/
04:17:15 <shachaf> It's not just tr_60.cmd
04:22:51 <shachaf> `` sport /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/sandbox
04:22:53 <HackEgo> 1/3:#!/usr/bin/env python \ \ import os \ import sys \ import subprocess \ \ http_proxy = 'http://127.0.0.1:3128' \ path = '/hackenv/bin:/opt/python27/bin:/opt/ghc/bin:/usr/bin:/bin' \ lib = os.path.abspath('lib') \ \ subprocess.call( \ ['nice', '-n10', \ '/usr/bin/umlbox', \ '-R3128:127.0.0.1:3128', \ '--no-stdin',
04:23:02 <shachaf> See, http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/hg/ is just out of date.
04:24:35 * oerjan understands nothing
04:25:03 <shachaf> There is https://bitbucket.org/GregorR/hackbot/
04:25:38 <shachaf> I don't know.
04:25:42 <oerjan> well that's where fizzie sent his PRs.
04:26:58 <zzo38> Do you like this? Choose one or more-- ;; - Counter target spell. ;; - Counter target activated ability. ;; - Counter target triggered ability.
04:27:16 <zzo38> (Or maybe, change it to "choose two or more")
04:27:42 <shachaf> What would it mean if it said "two or more"?
04:28:30 <zzo38> It means if there are only spells on the stack, or only activated abilities on the stack, or only triggered abilities on the stack, then you can't cast this spell.
04:45:54 <shachaf> Has anyone tried contacting Gregor?
04:46:32 <shachaf> Hmm.
04:46:57 <shachaf> `` cat .hgignore
04:46:57 <HackEgo> ​^tmp/
04:47:10 <shachaf> `` echo '*' >> .hgignore
04:47:12 <HackEgo> No output.
04:47:15 <shachaf> `` hg status
04:47:22 <HackEgo> abort: /hackenv/.hgignore: invalid pattern (relre): *
04:47:30 <shachaf> `? testing
04:47:33 <HackEgo> a$s.ba$s.ba$s.ba$s.ba$s.ba$s.b
04:47:46 <shachaf> `learn Testing is recommended.
04:47:48 <HackEgo> Relearned 'testing': Testing is recommended.
04:48:05 <shachaf> `? testing
04:48:09 <HackEgo> Testing is recommended.
04:48:23 <shachaf> `hurl
04:48:27 <HackEgo> http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/
04:48:41 <shachaf> `` hg addremove -R .
04:48:49 <HackEgo> abort: /hackenv/.hgignore: invalid pattern (relre): *
04:48:54 <shachaf> So a broken .hgignore completely breaks hg commands.
04:49:10 <oerjan> also, nothing gets into the repository.
04:49:25 <oerjan> (which is good, considering)
04:49:26 <shachaf> Right, because the committing commands are broken.
04:50:00 <oerjan> fizzie suggested enforcing the contents
04:50:03 <oerjan> iirc
04:50:55 <shachaf> `` echo '^tmp/' > .hgignore
04:51:01 <HackEgo> No output.
04:51:11 <shachaf> `? testing
04:51:21 <HackEgo> a$s.ba$s.ba$s.ba$s.ba$s.ba$s.b
04:51:56 <shachaf> `learn Testing oerjan's patience.
04:51:59 <HackEgo> Relearned 'testing': Testing oerjan's patience.
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05:00:38 <shachaf> `` echo '^wisdom/testing' >> .hgignore
05:00:42 <HackEgo> No output.
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05:24:20 <shachaf> `welcome The_Prospector
05:24:21 <HackEgo> The_Prospector: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: <http://esolangs.org/>. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.)
05:25:33 <The_Prospector> Thank you for the introduction!
05:37:21 <Akaibu> anyone want to help me with https://github.com/pokeball99/Awesome_Esoteric ?
05:37:40 <Akaibu> don't know "exactly" how to go about this
05:37:51 <zzo38> You should need to explain what it is supposed to mean.
05:38:01 <zzo38> And then maybe someone might help you with such things
05:38:23 <Akaibu> eh, sorry, just figured everyone knew about the awsome repos
05:38:28 <Akaibu> https://github.com/sindresorhus/awesome
05:38:45 <Akaibu> basicly these but for esoteric languages
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05:39:49 <zzo38> Ah, OK. Well, I still don't know the answer to you though
05:40:15 <zzo38> (But at least now I can know what it will mean)
05:41:36 <Akaibu> i need "awsome" stuff to add, not just a regurgitation of the esoteric wiki
05:43:55 <zzo38> Yes, I believe you
05:44:01 <zzo38> And, I don't know
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06:25:45 <zzo38> Can any program written with some esolangs to run: UHS file, Internet Quiz Engine file, OASYS story file
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09:28:16 <fizzie> @tell oerjan The lack of correct reverse DNS is even worse when it comes to emails sent from esolangs.org (some mail servers just bounce them right back), but it's not something I can fix without the CloudAtCost controls.
09:28:16 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
09:40:56 <shachaf> hizzie
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10:43:13 <Taneb> Could I have an advice/assurance please
10:43:51 <Taneb> I'm meeting someone on Wednesday to discuss the possibility of me doing a PhD with him
10:43:56 <izakitten> oh
10:44:14 <Taneb> And I am nervous
10:44:18 <Taneb> And excited
10:44:29 <izakitten> yeah that's what love does
10:45:13 <izakitten> phd in what?
10:45:52 <Taneb> Algebraic approaches to graph theory and functional programming
10:46:21 <izakitten> will that lead to more esoteric programming?
10:47:02 <Taneb> Almost certainly
10:47:30 <izakitten> then you must do it
10:47:37 <Taneb> Everything I have done in the past 6 years has been carefully planned to maximise in the long term esoteric programming
10:54:08 <shachaf> Taneb: Are PhDs good?
10:54:19 <shachaf> Should I try to do one?
10:54:40 <Taneb> shachaf, I don't know, I haven't tried one yet
10:55:23 <shachaf> Well, you might still have an idea.
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11:17:29 <izakitten> please tell me the name of that comment line you can add to files to set vim options
11:17:31 <izakitten> so i can google it
11:20:59 <shachaf> @google vim options line in file
11:21:00 <lambdabot> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3958416/embed-vim-settings-in-file
11:21:00 <lambdabot> Title: Embed vim settings in file - Stack Overflow
11:21:08 <shachaf> hth
11:21:18 <izakitten> thanks!
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14:22:53 <boily> `wisdom
14:23:14 <HackEgo> elendil//Elendil decided to try to save Numenor from its awful end by sailing to the Undying Lands and appealing to the Valar, but then he changed his mind, saved his family only and founded a new empire in Middle-earth. He tried to make up for it later by leading the elf king Gil-Galad against Sauron.
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18:52:54 <boily> ̀wisdom
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18:57:11 <fizzie> I think I complained about that Elendil factoid, but never remembered to fix it.
18:57:42 <fizzie> Because it was Elendil's dad who went to talk to Valar, and probably didn't change his mind (although he vanished, so it's hard to be sure).
18:58:32 <fizzie> "And Amandil, becoming aware of the purposes of the King, was dismayed and filled with a great dread -- he called his son, Elendil, and he said to him: ‘The days are dark, and there is no hope for Men, for the Faithful are few. Therefore I am minded to try that counsel which our forefather Eärendil took of old, to sail into the West, be there ban or no, and to speak to the Valar, even to ...
18:58:38 <fizzie> ... Manwë himself, if may be, and beseech his aid ere all is lost.’"
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18:59:32 <fizzie> "It is said that Amandil set sail in a small ship at night, and steered first eastward, and then went about and passed into the west. And he took with him three servants, dear to his heart, and never again were they heard of by word or sign in this world, nor is there any tale or guess of their fate."
19:00:00 <fizzie> "
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19:04:59 <fizzie> `slwd elendil//s/Elendil/Elendil's dad, Amandil,/;s/then he.*family only and/got lost. His family/;s/He tried.*/Elendil himself later made the Last Alliance with the elf king Gil-Galad, against Sauron./
19:05:21 <HackEgo> elendil//Elendil's dad, Amandil, decided to try to save Numenor from its awful end by sailing to the Undying Lands and appealing to the Valar, but got lost. His family founded a new empire in Middle-earth. Elendil himself later made the Last Alliance with the elf king Gil-Galad, against Sauron.
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19:38:24 <shachaf> `` rgrep -l '\. ' wisdom
19:38:33 <HackEgo> wisdom/elendil \ wisdom/hydrogen \ wisdom/angband \ wisdom/utumno \ wisdom/fat \ wisdom/adventure \ wisdom/bottom \ wisdom/semmelweis
19:40:37 <fizzie> I guess that's inconsistent now.
19:40:59 <fizzie> `slwd elendil//s/ / /
19:41:03 <HackEgo> elendil//Elendil's dad, Amandil, decided to try to save Numenor from its awful end by sailing to the Undying Lands and appealing to the Valar, but got lost. His family founded a new empire in Middle-earth. Elendil himself later made the Last Alliance with the elf king Gil-Galad, against Sauron.
19:41:11 <shachaf> `before
19:41:21 <HackEgo> wisdom/elendil//Elendil's dad, Amandil, decided to try to save Numenor from its awful end by sailing to the Undying Lands and appealing to the Valar, but got lost. His family founded a new empire in Middle-earth. Elendil himself later made the Last Alliance with the elf king Gil-Galad, against Sauron.
19:41:40 <fizzie> My line break happened to be right at the place where it hid that.
19:41:47 <shachaf> `1 grwp '\. '
19:41:51 <HackEgo> 1/4:adventure:You're in a 20 foot by 20 foot stone room. A stout oaken door banded with iron affords the only visible egress. As you approach the door, an imp appears. "Hello, INSERT NAME. To pass, you must solve my puzzle. SEE HANDOUT 1 ON PAGE 17." \ angband:Angband is Morgoth's second dungeon. When the valar finally defeated Morgoth,
19:42:08 <shachaf> `dowt adventure
19:42:13 <HackEgo> 7952:2016-05-07 <b_jonäs> slashlearn adventure/You\'re in a 20 foot by 20 foot stone room. A stout oaken door banded with iron affords the only visible egress. As you approach the door, an imp appears. "Hello, INSERT NAME. To pass, you must solve my puzzle. SEE HANDOUT 1 ON PAGE 17."
19:42:32 <shachaf> i don't get it tdnh
19:42:54 <boily> affords?
19:42:55 <shachaf> Also I wonder why the imp single-spaces periods while the narrator double-spaces them.
19:43:02 <shachaf> `slwg adventure//s#\. #. #g
19:43:04 <HackEgo> ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: slwg: not found
19:43:14 <shachaf> `slwd adventure//s#\. #. #g
19:43:17 <HackEgo> adventure//You're in a 20 foot by 20 foot stone room. A stout oaken door banded with iron affords the only visible egress. As you approach the door, an imp appears. "Hello, INSERT NAME. To pass, you must solve my puzzle. SEE HANDOUT 1 ON PAGE 17."
19:43:22 <shachaf> `spam
19:43:23 <HackEgo> 2/4: they were too lazy to go to for 100% completion, so some evil spirits in Angband survived for a sequel. \ bottom:Bottom is where you might end up with a catamorphism, if not careful. There be balrogs. \ fat:Fats are one of the four basic classes of nutrients. The other three are sugars, salt, and pizza. \ hydrogen:Hydrogen is what
19:43:32 <shachaf> b_jonas: Why do you make these wisdom entries?
19:43:58 <shachaf> `slwd angband//s#\. #. #g
19:44:03 <HackEgo> angband//Angband is Morgoth's second dungeon. When the valar finally defeated Morgoth, they were too lazy to go to for 100% completion, so some evil spirits in Angband survived for a sequel.
19:44:08 <shachaf> `slwd bottom//s#\. #. #g
19:44:10 <HackEgo> bottom//Bottom is where you might end up with a catamorphism, if not careful. There be balrogs.
19:44:17 <boily> `le/rn fat/Fats are one of the four basic classes of nutrients. The other three are sugars, coffee and alcohol.
19:44:19 <HackEgo> All le//rn variants now use two slashes in the format.
19:44:25 <boily> aaaaargh
19:44:30 <boily> `le/rn fat//Fats are one of the four basic classes of nutrients. The other three are sugars, coffee and alcohol.
19:44:33 <HackEgo> Relearned 'fat': Fats are one of the four basic classes of nutrients. The other three are sugars, coffee and alcohol.
19:45:00 <shachaf> `` rgrep -l ' $' wisdom/
19:45:03 <HackEgo> wisdom/hydrogen \ wisdom/math \ wisdom/utumno \ wisdom/wealhtheow \ wisdom/ambiguous \ wisdom/ghoul \ wisdom/delve \ wisdom/if \ wisdom/potatoes \ wisdom/o \ wisdom/rhenium \ wisdom/hydra \ wisdom/semmelweis \ wisdom/ᛁᚿ
19:45:10 <shachaf> this is awful
19:45:23 <shachaf> `spam
19:45:24 <HackEgo> 3/4: stars are made of. There's a conjecture that at the immense pressures inside Jupiter or Saturn, hydrogen might form a superconducting liquid metal. \ Binary file reflection matches \ semmelweis:Semmelweis saves the life of a hundred thousand birthgiving mothers by popularising This One Simple Trick. Doctors hate him for it. \ utu
19:45:49 <int-e> `? space
19:45:51 <HackEgo> Humans come from space. In particular, the part of space that has Earth in it.
19:46:07 <shachaf> `slwd hydrogen//s;\. ;. ;g
19:46:08 <int-e> . o O ( `` echo ' ' >> wisdom/space )
19:46:09 <HackEgo> hydrogen//Hydrogen is what stars are made of. There's a conjecture that at the immense pressures inside Jupiter or Saturn, hydrogen might form a superconducting liquid metal.
19:46:17 <shachaf> `? whitespace
19:46:18 <HackEgo> whitespace? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
19:47:55 <boily> en:space is fr:«un espace» when talking about that Great Void between the Celestial Bodies, but fr:«une espace» when it's a typographical space. complete nonsense.
19:50:58 <shachaf> what is fr:«un defined behavior» twh
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19:54:25 <boily> hellochaf. «un comportement défini» hth
19:54:50 <shachaf> is that fr or en
19:55:39 <int-e> it may be fr en ch
19:57:25 <boily> it's fr. and for the mathematically precise, at least fr_CA.
19:57:33 <shachaf> Californian French?
19:57:40 <shachaf> hint-e
19:57:46 * boily touacque int-e
19:57:46 <shachaf> how was snakebird
19:57:54 <boily> int-ello. what's a snakebird?
19:59:54 <\oren\> guten morgen
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20:01:04 <boily> \bonjouren\
20:02:10 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Goldfish]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50499&oldid=42685 * GermanyBoy * (-26) dead links are alive
20:07:12 <shachaf> boily: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77d9xVIsoHc hth
20:07:52 <boily> tdh :D
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20:24:51 <wob_jonas> shachaf: it's from http://www.irregularwebcomic.net/984.html but I don't know why I had the spaces inconsistent
20:25:38 <shachaf> OK, but why is it in wisdom?
20:25:52 <shachaf> Which of the Four Criteria does it satisfy?
20:26:03 <wob_jonas> `? four criteria
20:26:05 <wob_jonas> wtf is that
20:26:10 <HackEgo> four criteria? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
20:26:22 <shachaf> OK, the N Criteria.
20:26:25 <shachaf> The point is, why is it there?
20:26:38 <shachaf> I don't understand b_jonas wisdoms.
20:26:39 <wob_jonas> dunno, it seemed funny and memorable
20:27:11 <wob_jonas> ah, you were specifically searching for double-spaced wisdoms again
20:28:44 <wob_jonas> and yes, the Elendil entry is factually inaccurate. I wrote it and some other ones only half understanding middle-earth mythology
20:28:58 <wob_jonas> `? elendil
20:28:59 <HackEgo> Elendil's dad, Amandil, decided to try to save Numenor from its awful end by sailing to the Undying Lands and appealing to the Valar, but got lost. His family founded a new empire in Middle-earth. Elendil himself later made the Last Alliance with the elf king Gil-Galad, against Sauron.
20:29:53 <wob_jonas> so, next weekend we're going to have both the Calesyta results and the new Rogue One film
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20:31:35 <wob_jonas> "en:space is fr:«un espace» when talking about that Great Void between the Celestial Bodies, but fr:«une espace» when it's a typographical space. complete nonsense."
20:31:37 <wob_jonas> whoa really?
20:31:39 <wob_jonas> that sounds crazy
20:32:11 <wob_jonas> I know there are a few words that have different meanings when masculine vs feminine, but still
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20:37:38 <wob_jonas> shachaf: I'd still like to hear about those four rules or N rules, because, even though I know my wisdom entries are strange, I'm not sure what wisdom entries should be like according to everyone else, and only trying to find out empirically
20:37:45 <wob_jonas> I didn't know there were rules
20:38:06 <shachaf> I made up the rules a few minutes ago.
20:38:12 <shachaf> But I think they probably exist informally.
20:38:20 <shachaf> But maybe there's one I don't know about.
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20:53:03 <boily> wellob_jellonas. even crazier: fr:«un orgue» → en:"musical organ" can be feminine when plural when talking about a single instrument.
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21:03:03 <wob_jonas> boily: um what? feminine when plural when?
21:03:08 <wob_jonas> I can't parse what you mean
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21:49:28 <boily> wob_jonas: if you're talking about one organ, you can use the plural for stylistic reasons. only, if you do, it becomes feminine.
21:49:45 <wob_jonas> crazy
21:51:01 <boily> . o O ( my hands smell like eggplant... )
21:55:40 <Zarutian> what is it called when you get fattigue from some peoples reoccuring over enthusianism about some subject*
21:55:44 <Zarutian> s/*/?
21:57:22 <wob_jonas> Zarutian: dunno. you can try asking http://english.stackexchange.com , that site is quite good solving questions where you're looking for a word or phrase in English
21:58:32 <Zarutian> I do not have account on stackexchange and I am not going to go through the signup now.
21:58:55 <wob_jonas> Zarutian: you can ask questions anon, you just can't edit them then
21:59:07 <wob_jonas> and signup isn't hard either
21:59:24 <wob_jonas> but whatever
21:59:35 <wob_jonas> you can also ask ##English here, but they are often not in a mood to help
22:19:28 <zzo38> Gatherer comments for World Queller mention choosing scheme. They say "fully aware it wouldn't work, but if your play group doesn't allow that, then you need a new play group". I disagree. You can choose "scheme", but nothing happens; schemes aren't permanents and can't be sacrificed (and it doesn't say to abandon anything, only to sacrifice). If your play group insists that the scheme should be abandoned in this case then you need a new play group
22:20:53 <zzo38> But, now I cn think of, make the card that says: All schemes are abandoned.
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22:27:05 <wob_jonas> zzo38: that would be quite a narrow card
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22:28:53 <zzo38> Yes, I think it is narrow card
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22:55:21 <boily> what's a scheme?
22:56:43 <wob_jonas> boily: the special card type for the Archenemy casual product
22:57:14 <wob_jonas> similar to a Plane, but one player controls all the schemes and other players team up against them
22:57:29 <boily> oh. very casual, then, eh?
22:57:41 <wob_jonas> yes
22:58:50 <zzo38> A scheme is a nontraditional card type used in Archenemy, which is a format where there is one solo player vs a team of players; the solo player starts with 40 life points and has a scheme deck, and sets a scheme in motion (meaning making the top card of their scheme deck active) each turn.
22:59:32 <zzo38> I thought of an idea which is to make a variant of Archenemy where the players must bid on being the solo player, like with some other card games. But I am not quite sure how to do.
23:02:29 <wob_jonas> hmm... I had heard of some casual variant where players bid starting life total for some advantage
23:02:34 <boily> role selection mechanism à la Puerto Rico, where stuff that wasn't selected has bonus money for the next round?
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23:09:35 <zzo38> I thought maybe, whatever number you bid means that you can't set schems in motion until that many turns have passed and you must ante that many cards at random from your library when the game is started, and then when game ends your score is increased or decreased by the largest number of cards in the ante zone during the game (and then ownership changes end; in a team game they would have to anyways).
23:10:09 <zzo38> But then the exact bidding process and deck process and so on is different and I don't know.
23:11:47 <zzo38> Do you know?
23:31:45 <zzo38> Now I made a program to make a "hopalong" pattern, which is something has been describe in Scientific American
23:36:54 <zzo38> I should then write "ff-border" program which add a border with methods similar to virtual pixel methods of ImageMagick.
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23:39:32 <zzo38> For border widths I should use the syntax like that of CSS, but all units are pixels
23:40:35 <zzo38> Methods other than ImageMagick's virtual pixel methods can also be possible, such as 3D border.
23:41:07 <oerjan> @messages-
23:41:07 <lambdabot> fizzie said 14h 12m 50s ago: The lack of correct reverse DNS is even worse when it comes to emails sent from esolangs.org (some mail servers just bounce them right back), but it's not something I
23:41:07 <lambdabot> can fix without the CloudAtCost controls.
23:46:32 <zzo38> You can also please to tell me any other suggestion for when I will make the ff-border program
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23:51:29 <oerjan> @tell fizzie would it help to declare the actual reverse dns a low-priority alternate MX for esolangs.org?
23:51:29 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
23:55:52 <oerjan> @tell fizzie hm probably not.
23:55:52 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
23:58:17 <fizzie> I guess that depends. It might help with some servers. But the one bounce I remember actually reading explicitly complained about the reverse DNS not having a matching forward DNS.
23:59:28 <fizzie> Which is a little silly, since it's a .cloudatcost.com name, but presumably they changed some configuration for the forward names, yet never updated the reverses.
23:59:31 <oerjan> another option might be to make the wiki email use the actual reverse DNS instead of esolangs.org?
23:59:38 <fizzie> That's what it does.
23:59:46 <oerjan> oh.
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