< 1481846406 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm no expert, but that feels very lambdish. < 1481846430 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't eat lambdishes. I'm vegetarian. < 1481846463 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION thwacks shachaf thrice. ah ah ah. 0.98 FP.
< 1481846539 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1481847078 0 :hppavilion[0]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1481847081 0 :hppavilion[0]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1481847292 0 :moony!~luxon@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf JOIN :#esoteric < 1481847353 0 :moonheart08!~luxon@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1481847906 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1481848438 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Serprex 5* 10New user account < 1481848602 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I have many more composite modes in Farbfeld Utilities. Mode 23 is like ImageMagick's "change-mask" mode. Mode 70 is similar to ImageMagick's "darken" mode. Mode 24 is like Magic Set Editor's "recolor_image" function. < 1481849520 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50518&oldid=50513 5* 03Serprex 5* (+449) 10__s < 1481849567 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Inline14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=50519 5* 03Serprex 5* (+609) 10Yes I'm sure the author is long gone < 1481849611 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Inline14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50520&oldid=50519 5* 03Serprex 5* (+8) 10ugh I can never get my posts right the first time < 1481849785 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hezzo38. modes with numbers? < 1481849802 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like a tracker for composing music, but with pictures? < 1481850081 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there languages with both ergative AND accusative alignment? So, like, you can have a sentence be SVO, SV, or VO? < 1481850176 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: yes, tripartite alignment → https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tripartite_language < 1481850189 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: OK, I saw that, but it looked weird... < 1481850320 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything unusual is weird. < 1481850472 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: Not quite, I think? < 1481850493 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The various modes are just to be selected by number. < 1481850641 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1481850734 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Serprex14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=50521 5* 03Serprex 5* (+995) 10Let's see if I can trigger the anti link bot < 1481850841 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hopefully the source code will explain it http://zzo38computer.org/fossil/farbfeld.ui/raw/ff-composite.c?name=17f30248cb205ac5f3df07a8f35e79a0acded753 < 1481851197 0 :moony!~luxon@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :im makign a thing < 1481851199 0 :moony!~luxon@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/102738113478021120/259127128887525377/unknown.png < 1481851316 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mode 25 allow to use the alpha channel as the Z-order channel (something that I have not seen in other programs). < 1481851426 0 :__s_!c63aa001@gateway/web/freenode/ip.198.58.160.1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1481851571 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :moony: What thing is that? < 1481851578 0 :moony!~luxon@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :game test < 1481851585 0 :moony!~luxon@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats just literally the first screenshot < 1481851591 0 :moony!~luxon@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :read the text in the corner :P < 1481852109 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The font doesn't look like very good though to me < 1481852293 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1481852450 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: holy fungot that's a lot of numbers in there! < 1481852451 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i'll do it on that site < 1481852464 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: no, please don't do nothing on nobody's site twh < 1481852464 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i was talking < 1481852471 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: yes, you talk. < 1481852471 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: no need to ask me < 1481852491 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: I must insist. wouldn't want to wash away stains, eh? < 1481852491 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: modulo errors of course then you couldn't inline it. < 1481852505 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: yuck. < 1481852700 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :moony: mhelloony. it's a thing! < 1481853070 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloily < 1481853203 0 :moonheart08!~luxon@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf JOIN :#esoteric < 1481853232 0 :moonheart08!~luxon@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloily < 1481853253 0 :moony!~luxon@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1481853267 0 :moonheart08!~luxon@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION managed to cause a Race Condition for forgetting to lock the cursorLock Mutex and then manipulated it at the same time as the renderer read it
< 1481853494 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quinthellopia! < 1481853508 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :off to sleep... 'night all! < 1481853516 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: ARCADE CHICKEN < 1481853910 0 :moony!~luxon@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf JOIN :#esoteric < 1481854013 0 :moonheart08!~luxon@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1481854812 0 :Perenelle!~AndChat63@74.50.202.108 JOIN :#esoteric < 1481855480 0 :__s_!c63aa001@gateway/web/freenode/ip.198.58.160.1 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1481855748 0 :otherbot!~yaybot@unaffiliated/jeffl35/bot/jeffbot JOIN :#esoteric < 1481856874 0 :moony!~luxon@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1481856944 0 :AndChat|639249!~AndChat63@74.50.202.108 JOIN :#esoteric < 1481856945 0 :Perenelle!~AndChat63@74.50.202.108 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1481859280 0 :benderB747!~bender@2404:e800:e61a:3e1:c02b:e647:877d:67f2 JOIN :#esoteric < 1481859803 0 :AndChat|639249!~AndChat63@74.50.202.108 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1481859870 0 :benderB747!~bender@2404:e800:e61a:3e1:c02b:e647:877d:67f2 QUIT :Changing host < 1481859871 0 :benderB747!~bender@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 JOIN :#esoteric < 1481859878 0 :benderB747!?@? NICK :bender < 1481859927 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1481863418 0 :fractal!fractal@unaffiliated/scounder QUIT :Quit: StormBNC - Free 5-Network BNC Service - http://stormbit.net/help/stormbnc < 1481863604 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have Hocus Pocus in my computer, and the command "dd if=HOCUS.DAT bs=1 skip=31669 count=39081 | display" displays the title screen but it says it is the shareware version. However, the actual game says it is the registered version on the title screen. Why is that? < 1481863727 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably because only the game is registered, not the image you generate from it hth < 1481863810 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, OK < 1481864088 0 :fractal!fractal@unaffiliated/scounder JOIN :#esoteric < 1481866748 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Maybe it has a separate offset where it has the part of the screen that says it's registered < 1481867322 0 :alakra!~alakra@2604:a880:0:1010::f5:f001 JOIN :#esoteric < 1481867991 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: Yes it may have that possibly < 1481868556 0 :otherbot!~yaybot@unaffiliated/jeffl35/bot/jeffbot QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1481868599 0 :moonheart08!~luxon@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf JOIN :#esoteric < 1481869288 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1481869765 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1] has a disturbing ability to say slightly interesting questions when i'm not here, that are _just_ not interesting enough for me to @tell him. < 1481869795 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(mathy ones) < 1481869807 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also, my connection seems to be crap again) < 1481869929 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...and then in the next sentence he's saying complete bullshit again. at least he's using a smiley.) < 1481869933 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1481869935 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*-) < 1481869943 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah speak of the deil < 1481869947 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*devil < 1481869968 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn i hate when typing with lag < 1481870127 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: i've seen something called "quantum logic". basically a logc of 0/1 valued operators, or of the lattice of hilbert subspaces. i was not convinced it said anything interesting about quantum theory (except for the "ordinary logic doesn't work" part) < 1481870266 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this lag is hell and my patience with typing is hereby over) < 1481870271 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1481870306 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1481870532 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION swats hppavilion[1] for joining without responding. also i'm pasting this from bim -----###
< 1481870541 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry < 1481870565 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1481870582 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I've heard of quantum logic, but I seem to remember it being uninteresting at the time < 1481870592 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I'm currently typing up a leak < 1481870683 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently i cannot type right even when using vim. also yeah, i think making any better sense of quantum is going to need a big conceptual leap that no one's found yet. < 1481870735 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION says bye to hppavilion[1] before the CIA finds him
< 1481870797 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: My friend Brynn dragged me to an after-school math competition thing. We were given 2 30-minute quizzes of Rather Difficult Problems™ and scored. She wanted to see how much she could beat me < 1481870826 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did better on one, she did better on the other < 1481870863 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The teacher told us at the end that- apparently- the quizzes were standardized and other people would be taking these everywhere, so we couldn't talk about them. < 1481870867 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION fails to see how this qualifies as a "leak"
< 1481870868 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yet they let me keep the papers. < 1481870883 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Calling it a leak is a bit of a stretch :P < 1481870917 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION seems able to type again
< 1481870928 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's more of a... well, "leak" is already diminutive. Shit. < 1481870940 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :drip? < 1481870957 0 :moonheart08!~luxon@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1481870966 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess < 1481870969 0 :moonheart08!~luxon@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf JOIN :#esoteric < 1481871015 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did better on the one with roots and logs and stuff because I basically just prime factored everything and worked from there < 1481871198 0 :moonheart08!~luxon@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellovilion[1] < 1481871672 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.224 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1481872895 0 :deltab!~deltab@ds6266.dedicated.turbodns.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, tree surgery < 1481873457 0 :augur!~augur@2602:304:cdac:e260:5cbc:7da8:855c:32aa JOIN :#esoteric < 1481873798 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not tree surgery until you're doing branch cuts < 1481875631 0 :MoALTz!~no@77-254-9-16.adsl.inetia.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1481876769 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ham... is there a way to generalize Ruler & Compass to allow arbitrary Algebraic numbers rather than only Constructible numbers? < 1481876787 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1481876845 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Wat < 1481876866 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds awkward. you need unbounded degree of the equations you can solve, i think. < 1481876919 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ø̈rjan < 1481876920 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but my galois theory isn't refined enough. < 1481876963 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think if p is a prime, there's a polynomial of degree p that cannot be solved via lower degree ones and roots < 1481876970 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel like, when doing ruler-and-compass construction, you should just define new tools to perform operations once you've proved you can do them primitively < 1481876980 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :p >= 5, probably < 1481876985 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yeah, I'm pretty sure that's the case < 1481877006 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can do arbitrary nth roots using only pth roots for prime p, quite trivially < 1481877023 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(*where n is natural) < 1481877034 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, any primitive polynomial whose galois group is simple, or something like that. < 1481877038 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(**and nonzero) < 1481877104 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I've never actually done Galois theory. As in, I read it "Guh-low-iss" < 1481877112 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is probably wrong, because it looks French < 1481877117 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's a name I know) < 1481877138 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps that's it: you need to have every finite simple group among those you can solve. but i'm not sure if every polynomial with the same group is equivalent, quite likely not. < 1481877191 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've forgotten most of it, and am not sure how much i knew. < 1481877326 0 :moony!~luxon@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf JOIN :#esoteric < 1481877339 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i think constructible polynomial roots ~~ galois group has power of 2 size, or something like that. < 1481877359 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Completely lost me < 1481877383 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. it's complicated. < 1481877477 0 :moonheart08!~luxon@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1481877503 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just need a polynomial compass, which draws a polynomial < 1481877531 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: Ellipticompass-and-straightedge? :P < 1481877571 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :(what is the field (?) generated by adding roots of polynomials of its own elements to itself?) < 1481877637 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: ...surds? < 1481877642 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This sounds surdy < 1481877649 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh nevermind, it's probably still the algebraic numbers < 1481877668 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :note that once you have a polynomial compass, you won't need the straightedge < 1481877677 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :because a line is a polynomial graph < 1481877684 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :True < 1481877737 0 :moony!~luxon@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1481877777 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A good enough square is the product of two perfect squares; a^k/b^k < 1481877789 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/\^k/^2/ < 1481877798 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/product/quotient/ < 1481877823 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The general case of good enough kth powers is the quotient of two good enough kth powers: a^k/b^k (for real this time) < 1481877927 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: But really, what DO you get when you have a straightedge and an elliptical compass- a device to draw an ellipse given the focci and a point on the circumference? < 1481877927 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the same as kth power of rationals i'm pretty sure. < 1481877942 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: It is < 1481877945 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: That's my point < 1481878036 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: It just excludes, say, the square of the cube root of 2 and such < 1481878064 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( an elliptical compass needs two tacks and an adjustable piece of string ) < 1481878072 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yeah, I know < 1481878086 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: An adjustable *loop of string < 1481878098 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :an elliptical compass constructs no more numbers than a circular one < 1481878144 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm sounds right, it's still a second-degree polynomial. < 1481878149 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :(before taking any intersection with an ellipse, just rescale everything else in your drawing on the semi-major axis, then it becomes a circle) < 1481878191 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: you need to prove you can construct the scaling factor from the foci and a point, though < 1481878228 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm seems trivial, really. < 1481878256 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the point gives you the length of the piece of string, from which you get the axes. < 1481878314 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: um you're forgetting the case where you intersect two ellipses (one of which may be a circle) < 1481878318 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Elliptical compasses look fancy. See e.g. http://collectingme.com/drawing/Randles_Ellipsograph/5.jpg < 1481878390 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that doesn't work < 1481878416 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd have to possibly invent algebra and then solve it directly, then < 1481878457 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shocking < 1481878464 0 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1481878591 0 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1481878691 0 :Cale!~cale@CPE9c5c8eb8e0c8-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1481878841 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: And thus, you (possibly) can't do it with Ruler and Compass, so it's more general < 1481878851 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98e0:7e6:a5a7:2e3a:c339:159a JOIN :#esoteric < 1481879152 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: i think he means inventing algebra to solve general second-degree equations, which you can then construct roots of with straightedge and compass. < 1481879191 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :otoh now i'm having doubts if that really works with intersecting two ellipses. < 1481879251 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not just one equation, but two. < 1481879400 0 :augur!~augur@2602:304:cdac:e260:5cbc:7da8:855c:32aa QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1481879481 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I think the solution to this issue is simple < 1481879493 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: We get some graph paper and actually try :P < 1481879512 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you do that. < 1481879561 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION suddenly has this feeling he dreamt of getting paper tonight
< 1481879573 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i was somehow annoyed because it had lines < 1481879642 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :must have been a dream because i don't remember anything like that in real life recently < 1481879756 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: What kind of lines were you upset about < 1481879771 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do they make triangular or hexagonal graph paper? < 1481879776 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the kind you write on hth < 1481879784 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1481879795 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: So then graph paper? :P < 1481879813 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'd prefer to just use graph paper for everything tbh) < 1481879820 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(A4, obv.) < 1481879823 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure they must make hexagonal paper for board gamers < 1481879836 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe it's just too easy to print out one these days < 1481879853 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: it had only horizontal lines afair < 1481879856 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Wait, no; something in the B series actually, with square size of, say, 5 mm) < 1481879980 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION only knows the A series, really
< 1481879991 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sqrt 2 forever! < 1481880027 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :odd powers of 2^(1/4) < 1481880046 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i spose. < 1481880049 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: B series still has the root 2 ratio < 1481880056 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY < 1481880064 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :are they the even powers maybe < 1481880131 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :An has a long side equal to A(n-1)'s shorter side and a short side 1/sqrt(2) of that. A0 has an area of 1 m^2 < 1481880144 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know < 1481880150 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bn has the same definition EXCEPT that B0 has a long side of 1 m < 1481880156 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or was it short side 1 m?) < 1481880160 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so basically, indeed the even ones < 1481880448 0 :Akaibu!uid118096@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gjeeyhcpnuxnatuf QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1481880544 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ...sure? < 1481880617 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION exclusively writes on A-4, Aπ, and Aω paper
< 1481880678 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: do you prefer Ai paper? < 1481880678 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: http://www.vwfeatures.com/ images/ 1203125875-tetsuoooo.png fnord in an exam, i have < 1481880705 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION mostly uses Cɛ
< 1481880870 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good morning < 1481880996 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Dammit, forgot about i < 1481881041 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*MWAHAHAHA* < 1481881324 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Ai would have dimensions 1.118-0.404i m × 0.791-0.286i m it appears < 1481881357 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, apparently, lives in a Hilbert cyberspace. < 1481881358 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: indiana price comparison? ( i may be able to < 1481881545 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION falls asleep
< 1481881797 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1481882534 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zfm1xiphca3i8m.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1481882649 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1/sqrt 2 < 1481882651 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0.7071067811865475 < 1481882683 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :short side, it seems < 1481883019 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"DIN 476 provides for formats larger than A0, denoted by a prefix factor. In particular, it lists the formats 2A0 and 4A0, which are twice and four times the size of A0 respectively" < 1481883052 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i guess A-4 would be 16A0 in that notation < 1481884004 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you define APi < 1481884758 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes, for any natural number, An has sides approximately 2**((2*n+1)/4) meter times 2**((2*n-1)/4) meter iirc < 1481884787 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there's Bn and Cn and Dn and En and Fn sizes which are similar geometric series just shifted by some non-integer offset < 1481884863 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but nobody cares about those series < 1481884925 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just buy folders for storing A4 or A5 paper, or envelopes for storing A4 paper folded 1, 2, 3, 4wise respectively, < 1481884993 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or notebooks that fit in bags or large folders for storing A4 paper (the notebook is smaller than A4 then), or folders with rings or metalic strips for storing A4 paper with the usual two or four holes. < 1481885088 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a calesyta2016list yet for when they release results? < 1481885319 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty sure that deserves a topic mention < 1481885394 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` t=bin/calesyta2016list; >$t echo 'echo -n "$(basename "$0")${@:+ }$@: "; tail -n+2 "$0" | xargs; exit'$'\nb_jonas' && chmod -c a+x "$t" < 1481885405 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mode of `bin/calesyta2016list' changed from 0644 (rw-r--r--) to 0755 (rwxr-xr-x) < 1481885407 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is now < 1481885426 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :though the odds are high that I made a typo somewhere there < 1481885435 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should test it while I'm the only subscriber < 1481885437 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you appear to not know about `makelist tdnh < 1481885444 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`calesyta2016list drill only < 1481885447 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :calesyta2016list drill only: b_jonas < 1481885455 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :the incidentlist < 1481885493 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: we don't know if he'll win. depends on both other submissions and judges. < 1481885541 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/makelist < 1481885542 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :name="$1"; file="bin/$name"; makelistlist "$name"; shift; cp bin/emptylist "$file"; for n in "$@"; do echo "$n" >> "$file"; done < 1481885551 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not winning I care about < 1481885566 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd like to see info being published about the other submissions < 1481885602 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` cd bin; ls *list < 1481885605 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aglist \ bardsworthlist \ calesyta2016list \ danddreclist \ dontaskdonttelllist \ don'taskdon'ttelllist \ ehlist \ emptylist \ erflist \ FireFlist \ flist \ idealist \ ioccclist \ keenlist \ list \ listlist \ llist \ makelist \ makelistlist \ minimalist \ mlist \ olist \ pbflist \ slist \ smlist \ stylist \ testlist \ wrlist < 1481885698 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`makelistlist calesyta2016list < 1481885700 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :makelistlist calesyta2016list: shachaf < 1481885802 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/minimalist < 1481885803 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo -n "$(basename "$0")${@:+ }$@: "; tail -n+2 "$0" | xargs; exit < 1481885872 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`diff bin/minimalist bin/emptylist < 1481885873 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/emptylist < 1481885874 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :diff: missing operand after `bin/minimalist bin/emptylist' \ diff: Try `diff --help' for more information. < 1481885875 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo -n "$(basename "$0")${@:+ }$@: "; tail -n+2 "$0" | xargs; exit < 1481885879 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` diff bin/minimalist bin/emptylist < 1481885881 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1481885915 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: please don't cat lists that actually have nicks in them hth < 1481885954 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`readlink bin/minimalist bin/emptylist < 1481885955 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1481885983 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`stat -c%i bin/minimalist bin/emptylist < 1481885989 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :stat: missing operand \ Try `stat --help' for more information. < 1481886004 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_< < 1481886019 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :SYNTAX IS HARD < 1481886027 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Later < 1481886059 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1481886064 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` readlink bin/minimalist bin/emptylist < 1481886066 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :readlink: extra operand `bin/emptylist' \ Try `readlink --help' for more information. < 1481886092 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`readlink --version < 1481886094 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :readlink (GNU coreutils) 8.13 \ Copyright (C) 2011 Free Software Foundation, Inc. \ License GPLv3+: GNU GPL version 3 or later . \ This is free software: you are free to change and redistribute it. \ There is NO WARRANTY, to the extent permitted by law. \ \ Written by Dmitry V. Levin. < 1481886132 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :so is handling multiple arguments, apparently < 1481886769 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, makelistlist is the list for when someone makes a list? < 1481887736 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1481888114 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1481888126 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar CYUL < 1481888126 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYUL 161100Z 27006KT 15SM FEW012 M23/M31 A3032 RMK SC1 SLP273 < 1481888145 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :woohoo. not cold at all... < 1481891237 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: DUNGEON CHICKEN < 1481892824 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1481893253 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zfm1xiphca3i8m.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1481896529 0 :moony!~moonythed@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf JOIN :#esoteric < 1481896849 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.224 JOIN :#esoteric < 1481897923 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is JOIN :#esoteric < 1481897954 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1481897977 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is JOIN :#esoteric < 1481898954 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A4BF3B.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1481900040 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A4BF3B.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1481901103 0 :bender!~bender@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1481902757 0 :MoALTz!~no@77-254-9-16.adsl.inetia.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1481904283 0 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-cxgicugebiktsxvt QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1481904815 0 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-uqaoljewbrwutrkv JOIN :#esoteric < 1481907056 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A4BF3B.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1481907740 0 :augur!~augur@2602:304:cdac:e260:88af:dd0a:5c55:2d34 JOIN :#esoteric < 1481908300 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :guten mergen! < 1481908370 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is still having problems managing svn with diff and patch
< 1481909003 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :then use git hth < 1481909453 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :rrgh < 1481909911 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1481909944 0 :augur!~augur@2602:304:cdac:e260:88af:dd0a:5c55:2d34 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1481909981 0 :augur!~augur@76-218-206-38.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1481910228 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm serious. git is a good alternative to diff and patch. You don't need to use any of the fancy features you don't like. < 1481910238 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why would you use svn with diff and patch, anyway? < 1481910252 0 :augur!~augur@76-218-206-38.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1481910335 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1481910449 0 :computing!~luxon@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf JOIN :#esoteric < 1481910491 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: to copy changes from one checkout to another < 1481910778 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-77.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1481911237 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-77.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1481911351 0 :augur!~augur@2602:304:cdac:e260:fccb:b0aa:ce0a:1b3b JOIN :#esoteric < 1481911586 0 :augur!~augur@2602:304:cdac:e260:fccb:b0aa:ce0a:1b3b QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1481911917 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do you have two checkouts? < 1481912662 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :manual rebase < 1481912692 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why not have git do that for you? < 1481912766 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( when all you have is a git... ) < 1481912792 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: note that I'm not oren < 1481912816 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know. The question was rhetorical. < 1481912830 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rhetoric for whose sake? < 1481912839 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do people ask rhetorical questions? < 1481912860 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is trolling.
< 1481912996 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-77.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1481913141 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1481913629 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion{1}! < 1481913679 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is your unreadable cryptofont working for you < 1481913805 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-77.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: OK. It's not on right now. I'm going to enable it. < 1481913843 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember what \oren\ doesn't like about git. < 1481913851 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does all of it also apply to hg? < 1481913891 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :How would you change it? < 1481914257 0 :hppavilion[0]!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-77.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1481914437 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-77.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1481915224 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? consensus < 1481915240 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :consensus? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1481915289 0 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@194.108.5.201 QUIT :Quit: *bubbles away* < 1481915337 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I would change it so its interface is conceptually simpler. < 1481915377 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in particular, there would be no such thing as a "staging area" or "stash" < 1481915390 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"stash" doesn't exist unless you use "git stash". < 1481915440 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"staging area"... I guess? < 1481915447 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :In practice I don't really use it. < 1481915636 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the staging area is really annoying for the following reason < 1481915656 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :suppose I edit stuff.c, and then add those changes to a commit < 1481915671 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :then I edit stuff.c again < 1481915678 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have to readd it < 1481915689 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's no more annoying than having to add it the first time. < 1481915726 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should have to add it zero times, like on svn < 1481915744 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's already in the repository! < 1481915745 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, then just use git commit -a < 1481915752 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is what I usually do. < 1481915883 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: that commits all files < 1481915920 0 :computing!~luxon@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1481915957 0 :computing!~luxon@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf JOIN :#esoteric < 1481916028 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Magick image format is similar to farbfeld if the header is set up correctly (set depth=16 and matte=True), so to convert farbfeld to MIFF is only need to replace the header. < 1481916031 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1481916033 0 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-zmsicykjommsmkvn QUIT :Excess Flood < 1481916037 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What else do you mean by "add it zero times"? < 1481916053 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in any case it doesnt actually commit anything anyway, you have to use git push to actually commit anything < 1481916114 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, you make a commit locally, and when you're happy with it, you can push it to the remote repository. < 1481916128 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a good behavior. What if you make a mistake? < 1481916141 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, you're doing this at work, right? Don't you do code review? < 1481916170 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, when the dev repository is copied to staging < 1481916190 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't do pre-commit code review? < 1481916211 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, you have to commit your changes so that they dont get lost < 1481916257 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, git need a command that does add, commit, and push in one go < 1481916266 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but you don't commit them straight to whatever it's called, do you? < 1481916276 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The main branch that other people are committing to. < 1481916280 0 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-hvriwedbvmqgpwmz JOIN :#esoteric < 1481916284 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you commit them to dev, yes < 1481916306 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what svn commit does. < 1481916308 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's awful. < 1481916319 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1481916322 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No code review? This is quite independent of svn vs. git vs. anything else. < 1481916384 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://secure.phabricator.com/book/phabricator/article/reviews_vs_audit/ < 1481916389 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :things are reviewed afterward, once a change is saved as a commit in the repository < 1481916428 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1481916549 0 :hppavilion[0]!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-77.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1481916613 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you don't push, then how exactly do others get your changes to look at anyway? do you suggest I email people my .patch file? < 1481916631 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like in the good old days < 1481916763 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a git command to send someone a set of changes in a file? < 1481916840 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :git-format-patch/git-send-email? < 1481916939 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :neo-whoa.gif < 1481916981 0 :MoALTz!~no@77-254-9-16.adsl.inetia.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1481916986 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1481917074 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but perhaps the proper DVCS way is to have the repo public somewhere so people can pull from it < 1481917120 0 :hppavilion[0]!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-77.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1481917126 0 :hppavilion[0]!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-77.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? aisthesis < 1481917134 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aisthesis? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1481917136 0 :hppavilion[0]!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-77.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ais523 < 1481917139 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Agent “Iä” Smith is an alien with a strange allergy to avian body covering, which he is trying to retroactively prevent from ever evolving. On the 3rd of March, he's lawful good. < 1481917201 0 :hppavilion[0]!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-77.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ham. < 1481917211 0 :hppavilion[0]!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-77.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`grwp thesis < 1481917223 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Binary file reflection matches \ siberia:Siberia is the capital of Finland. It's where the Fields Medal was first synthesised. < 1481917244 0 :hppavilion[0]!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-77.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`grwp phd < 1481917245 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Binary file reflection matches < 1481917254 0 :hppavilion[0]!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-77.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, what does grwp do exactly? < 1481917264 0 :hppavilion[0]!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-77.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`where grwp < 1481917265 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: where: not found < 1481917270 0 :hppavilion[0]!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-77.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`which grwp < 1481917271 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/bin/grwp < 1481917278 0 :hppavilion[0]!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-77.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat /hackenv/bin/grwp < 1481917281 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#! /bin/bash \ cd wisdom; shopt -s dotglob; grep -R "$@" -- * < 1481917339 0 :hppavilion[0]!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-77.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That looks right... < 1481917490 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is QUIT :Quit: Zarutian < 1481917762 0 :hppavilion[0]!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-77.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`grwfi thesis < 1481917764 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom/reflection \ wisdom/siberia < 1481917783 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, what happens is all new changes are committed to dev, then the stuff that didn't work gets reverted. < 1481917814 0 :hppavilion[0]!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-77.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ham, maybe "grwni" would be a better name? < 1481917834 0 :hppavilion[0]!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-77.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it's just "gwni", it reads like "[the] Goonies" < 1481917880 0 :hppavilion[0]!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-77.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/s"/[s]"/ < 1481917892 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :then that revision is committed to staging, and if everything works out that goes to prod < 1481917897 0 :hppavilion[0]!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-77.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :` mv bin/grwfi bin/gwni < 1481917899 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: : not found < 1481917907 0 :hppavilion[0]!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-77.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1481917915 0 :hppavilion[0]!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-77.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` mv bin/grwfi bin/gwni < 1481917921 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1481917927 0 :hppavilion[0]!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-77.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`gwni tan < 1481917929 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom/　 \ wisdom/_46bit \ wisdom/a \ wisdom/å \ wisdom/Å \ wisdom/algol \ wisdom/apl \ wisdom/article \ wisdom/automatic squirrel feeder \ wisdom/bbc \ wisdom/bdsm \ wisdom/bessel function \ wisdom/blæg \ wisdom/bogosort \ wisdom/boxmodel \ wisdom/cemental \ wisdom/cgi \ wisdom/chu space \ wisdom/ci \ wisdom/civilization \ wisdom/costume \ wi < 1481917933 0 :hppavilion[0]!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-77.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good. < 1481917973 0 :hppavilion[0]!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-77.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's actually useful afaict < 1481917985 0 :hppavilion[0]!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-77.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Added "gwn" for non-case-insensitive version) < 1481918035 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? svn < 1481918037 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :svn? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1481918040 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? git < 1481918041 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :git? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1481918045 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? vcs < 1481918046 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :vcs? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1481918102 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? type < 1481918104 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :type? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1481918147 0 :hppavilion[0]!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-77.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION . ø Ø ( If gwni fails, it should say "Unfortunately I can't say \"***\"" ("die") )
< 1481918171 0 :hppavilion[0]!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-77.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`gwni git < 1481918175 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom/cookbook \ wisdom/font \ wisdom/lifthrasiir's font \ wisdom/recipe \ wisdom/reflection < 1481918181 0 :hppavilion[0]!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-77.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? cookbook < 1481918184 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Random food recipes at https://gist.github.com/nylki/1efbaa36635956d35bcc < 1481918187 0 :hppavilion[0]!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-77.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? font < 1481918188 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#esoteric bitmap fonts include: \oren\'s font http://www.orenwatson.be/fontdemo.htm , lifthrasiir's font https://github.com/lifthrasiir/unison/ https://lifthrasiir.github.io/unison/sample.png , b_jonas's font http://www.math.bme.hu/~ambrus/pu/fecupboard20-c.pcf.gz < 1481918193 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're probly all githubs < 1481918198 0 :hppavilion[0]!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-77.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1481918272 0 :hppavilion[0]!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-77.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is proud of making a useful HackEgo command
< 1481918276 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I insist that github is pronounced with a ð < 1481918317 0 :hppavilion[0]!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-77.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: Um, it's clearly a [θ] hth < 1481918406 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it's a ð, [gɪðuːb] < 1481918429 0 :hppavilion[0]!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-77.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ɣyθɦʊɓ] < 1481918437 0 :hppavilion[0]!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-77.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: Obviously < 1481918496 0 :hppavilion[0]!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-77.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though strictly, it should REALLY be [ɣyθɧʊɓ] < 1481918763 0 :computing!~luxon@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1481919077 0 :hppavilion[0]!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-77.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1481919269 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :qwertyuiopasdfghjklzxcvbnm < 1481919306 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh. there's nothing wrong with my keyboard after all < 1481919315 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird < 1481919339 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there must be something wrong with my fingers then < 1481919845 0 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@194.108.5.201 JOIN :#esoteric < 1481919877 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yues,f ingerrs, neceri n teh rihgtp lacee at the righ ttimR1 < 1481919982 0 :moony!~moonythed@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1481920005 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I may have overdone it a teeny weeny bit. < 1481920045 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :automation is key! < 1481920387 0 :wlp1s1!?@? NICK :NaOH < 1481920603 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is JOIN :#esoteric < 1481921113 0 :NaOH!?@? NICK :PtF6- < 1481921704 0 :hppavilion[0]!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-77.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1481921729 0 :hppavilion[0]!?@? NICK :hppavilion[1] < 1481921873 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-77.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fedora is plural, the singular is Fedorum < 1481921894 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fedorae < 1481921936 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1481921988 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: Oops, had to go. < 1481922015 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: There are lots of ways to do code review that don't involve pushing your unreviewed code to trunk. < 1481922033 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example Phabricator, which I linked to above, is one way. < 1481922098 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, changes that aren't good are reverted < 1481922129 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the commit message for the revert will explain hwy < 1481922162 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you see the comparison link above? < 1481922169 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a bad way to do code review. < 1481922201 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seriously, I didn't nearly appreciate how important code review is before using a system like this. < 1481922329 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1481922389 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I guess the buttumption is that most changes are ok because of our extensive pre checkin tests, and the fact that we only hire competent people < 1481922405 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-77.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1481922444 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least, the interview I went through was pretty grueling < 1481922505 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's one commit out of 30 that gets reverted or revised < 1481922675 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see, the companies that do pre-commit code review do it due to a lack of competent people. < 1481922706 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-77.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1481922906 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phabricator even supports svn. You should just use Phabricator. < 1481922971 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-77.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: vcs should clearly be done with a txt of s/// expressions < 1481923204 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Anirudhb 5* 10New user account < 1481923269 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1481923546 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50522&oldid=50518 5* 03Anirudhb 5* (+120) 10/* Introductions */ < 1481923558 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Fish14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50523&oldid=50457 5* 03Anirudhb 5* (+69) 10Add proper hello world < 1481924192 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: anyway, things go through dev, staging, and then to prod so there;s planty of time for stuff to be caught < 1481924213 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :For what? Confusing variable names? < 1481924261 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-77.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1481924324 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :A better way you could have written a function? Lack of tests? Lack of clarifying comments? < 1481924351 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: more like if it crashes < 1481924358 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see. < 1481924372 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it crashes then your stuff is reverted < 1481924424 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-77.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1481924448 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if your code only crashes on Feb 29? < 1481924475 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if there's something else then it's more likely you'll get an email from another dev < 1481924520 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you see the link above? < 1481924544 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did. what of it < 1481924620 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :every commit does trigger an email to all devs with the diff and commit message < 1481924665 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so everyone knows what everyone else is doing, and if there is a failure, the person responsible is known to all < 1481924722 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But presumably there isn't a failure because you run tests before committing anyway. < 1481924733 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So that's irrelevant. < 1481924907 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the tests obviously can't cover interactions between changes < 1481924992 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is sounding worse and worse. < 1481925121 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :suppose I'm working on component A and bob is working on component B. I might tell bob what I'm doing but maybe not in enough detail, so maybe if we both commit on thursday a failure occurs at the junction from A to B. < 1481925342 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :then, depending on stuff, either I need or bob needs to fix it < 1481925849 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but usually this doesn't happen because we design things to be compatible < 1481925863 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and properly isolated from each other < 1481925911 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1481925928 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does the failure manifest itself? < 1481925957 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-77.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1481926065 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: sometimes it's a undefined reference to, or a missing field, or a test that fails. < 1481926087 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't you say you have pre-commit tests? < 1481926092 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :we do < 1481926119 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they take several hours to run < 1481926131 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :as do the post-commit tests < 1481926987 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A4BF3B.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1481927026 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-77.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1481927600 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[hello]! < 1481929347 0 :moises!~moises@187-7-96-162.paebv700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br JOIN :#esoteric < 1481929477 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-77.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1481929508 0 :moises!~moises@187-7-96-162.paebv700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br PART #esoteric : < 1481929589 0 :MoALTz!~no@77-254-9-16.adsl.inetia.pl QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1481931047 0 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-hvriwedbvmqgpwmz QUIT :Excess Flood < 1481931190 0 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-yxtkznajxocyduaj JOIN :#esoteric < 1481932598 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric