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00:00:43 <zzo38> I think Unicode is overfull of stupid
00:01:29 <zzo38> FountainandFlame: What did you expect?
00:01:54 <\oren\> Well they also added new androgynous emoji for "ADULT" "CHILD" and "OLDER ADULT"
00:02:49 <\oren\> as well as "BEARDED PERSON" and "PERSON WITH HEADSCARF"....
00:03:13 <oerjan> . o O ( wouldn't a pause where the meaning is complete but the sense is not be more appropriate for our regulars )
00:04:13 <oerjan> FountainandFlame: someone brought up the newest unicode additions
00:04:22 <\oren\> http://www.unicode.org/L2/L2016/16381-n4778r-pdam1-2-charts.pdf
00:04:47 <zgrep> Unicode is a mess, but it's the mess we all agree upon.
00:05:17 <zzo38> Link to the list of the new Unicode characters, I think.
00:05:23 <oerjan> `relcome FountainandFlame
00:05:35 <HackEgo> FountainandFlame: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: <http://esolangs.org/>. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.)
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00:07:20 <FountainandFlame> So, this chat is dedicated to Unicode programmers for universal text?
00:07:38 <zzo38> FountainandFlame: No it isn't, but at least at this time such thing are sometimes discussed a bit
00:07:58 <zzo38> (We often to discuss many different kind of things and is not always on topic; see logs for details)
00:08:11 <FountainandFlame> Oh okay. Well, glad to stumble in here, I love good discussions
00:08:20 <zzo38> (And if you want to know the "proper" topics of discussions, to please see wiki.)
00:08:56 <\oren\> somtimes we talk about magic the gaherig
00:09:08 <\oren\> sometimes about theoretical mathematics too
00:09:15 <FountainandFlame> I assume there are at least a few who use this interface often?
00:09:17 <zzo38> Yes, there is that too
00:09:24 <zzo38> FountainandFlame: What interface?
00:09:40 <zzo38> What site do you mean?
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00:09:50 <oerjan> this "site" is a worldwide network
00:10:12 <zzo38> It is IRC. You are using probably the Freenode web IRC client, although other people use their own IRC client
00:10:20 <zzo38> It is connect to the same network of IRC servers.
00:12:12 <int-e> you better take notes, there will be a quiz at the end
00:12:45 <oerjan> zzo38 even wrote his _own_ irc client, it's the kind of thing some people here would do :)
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00:13:46 <\oren\> I'm using irssi client
00:14:13 <\oren\> and I'm interested in unicode because I make my own font
00:14:31 <oerjan> i've sometimes used the web client when i cannot get to the server i run irssi on
00:14:44 <int-e> \oren\: how close are you to unicode-completeness?
00:15:33 <oerjan> . o O ( who's adding characters faste, \oren\ or the consortium )
00:16:13 <FountainandFlame> Yeah the PDF you sent me was pretty interesting. I originally studied ideograms which brought me to Hermetic Philosophy
00:17:17 * oerjan smells the other kind of esoteric
00:17:37 <zzo38> How much of the UTCE set is in your font so far?
00:19:32 <zzo38> Looking on Wikipedia about Hermetic Philosophy and about ideograms, I do not see much about what it has to do with?
00:19:44 <\oren\> there are 20524 characters supported
00:28:51 <zzo38> I think it is the joke
00:29:07 <boily> Æternal Anchovies!
00:30:40 <boily> yes, but not in these parts. we aren't terrible.
00:32:01 <boily> good returning! careful out there, it's icy and slippery!
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00:34:25 <lambdabot> CYQB 280000Z 25012KT 15SM SCT060 01/M04 A2967 RMK SC4 SLP054
00:56:41 <lambdabot> CYVR 280000Z 06005KT 360V090 20SM FEW025 FEW050 BKN120 04/02 A2997 RMK SC1SC1AC3 SLP151
01:05:01 <lambdabot> CYYZ 280005Z 28008KT 15SM -SHSN BKN020 OVC025 M01/M04 A2995 RMK SC5SC3 CVCTV CLD EMBD SLP152
01:05:06 <lambdabot> CYYB 280000Z 35009KT 5SM -SN OVC018 M05/M07 A2980 RMK SC8 SLP114
01:06:07 <\oren\> I'm a bit north of cyyb
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01:07:50 <boily> I think hppavilion is the northernmost and westernmost esoterer.
01:12:38 <oerjan> boily: northernmost? *cough*
01:12:54 <boily> oh hm. eh. eeeeeh. >_>'...
01:13:17 <boily> hellørjan. didn't see you there.
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02:07:21 <\oren\> well do we have anyone who lives in east asia?
02:09:23 <lambdabot> Look up METAR weather data for given airport.
02:16:34 <boily> he\\oren\. we have lifthras1ir for that.
02:16:54 <boily> wellop1s1. what are your approximative geographic coördinates and body weigh?
02:19:33 <pikhq> I live at 0° 0°, ±180°, and mass on the order of 1 megagram.
02:20:52 <pikhq> Yeah, as far as Alaska goes Anchorage is fairly far south.
02:21:08 <pikhq> Trondheim is definitely north of it, though not by *much*.
02:21:35 <oerjan> i can't think of anyone else here who's definitely north of me
02:21:55 <oerjan> but there may be people who haven't stated their whereabouts.
02:22:20 <pikhq> There aren't *that* many urban areas north of you, though, so you likely are the most northern.
02:22:42 <oerjan> unless there's a stealth norwegian or someone in murmansk
02:22:59 <shachaf> i,i an urban is what urjan will do if you're too disruptive
02:24:04 <pikhq> Oh, is Zarutian from Reykjavik?
02:24:18 <shachaf> Somewhere in Iceland at least.
02:24:22 <pikhq> Well, they have an Icelandic host, so that's quite likely.
02:24:28 * oerjan resigns the northernmost throne
02:24:44 <pikhq> There aren't that many people in Iceland *not* in Reykjavik, so...
02:24:54 <Zarutian> well, I live in an abutting muncipality called Kópavogur
02:25:08 <pikhq> (literally 2/3rds of the country is in the metro area of Reykjavik)
02:25:49 <Zarutian> the most populous street is Hraunbær
02:26:14 <pikhq> So, yes, you're the northernmost Esotericer.
02:26:15 <boily> I think oerjan still northerns more than Zarutian.
02:26:33 <pikhq> Is oerjan notably north of Trondheim?
02:26:55 <boily> oh, Trondheim, not Tromsø...
02:27:15 <pikhq> Because Reykjavik is about 75' north of Trondheim.
02:28:00 <shachaf> 75 feet is not very much hth
02:28:26 <pikhq> Nor is 75 minutes, really.
02:28:50 <lambdabot> LOWI 280220Z AUTO 28003KT 9999 FEW070 OVC110 M01/M05 Q1041
02:29:06 <lambdabot> KFLY 280215Z AUTO 27018G27KT 10SM CLR 08/M12 A3000 RMK AO2 T00761125
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02:32:21 <zgrep> Hm. Why is the esolangs wiki not written in an esolang...
02:34:46 <Sgeo> There are a lot of language-specific wikis written in the language they're about, aren't there
02:34:53 <Sgeo> Well, at least Tcl and Factor
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02:35:05 <alercah> zgrep: bootstrapping problem
02:35:16 <alercah> without esowiki, there are no esoteric languages
02:35:43 <zgrep> So, uh, bootstrap it in something not so esoteric?
02:35:55 <zgrep> But then migrate to something rather esoteric.
02:36:59 <Zarutian> timed out there, did I miss anything directed at me?
02:40:20 <int-e> Zarutian: You may have missed the topic, which mentions the (currently working!) logs.
02:40:56 <Zarutian> I always forgot to check which channels are publicly logged.
02:41:11 <Zarutian> specially in this age of deforrestation
03:04:18 <HackEgo> U+1D679 MATHEMATICAL MONOSPACE CAPITAL J \ UTF-8: f0 9d 99 b9 UTF-16BE: d835de79 Decimal: 𝙹 \ 𝙹 \ Category: Lu (Letter, Uppercase) \ Bidi: L (Left-to-Right) \ Decomposition: <font> 004A \ \ U+1D67A MATHEMATICAL MONOSPACE CAPITAL K \ UTF-8: f0 9d 99 ba UTF-16BE: d835de7a Decimal: 𝙺 \ 𝙺 \ Category: Lu (Letter, Uppercase) \
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03:21:39 <boily> are those actually used in the real world?
03:24:29 <HackEgo> /hackenv/bin/u8tbl: line 1: 293 Segmentation fault u8tbl.exe $@
03:24:36 <HackEgo> /hackenv/bin/u8tbl: line 1: 293 Segmentation fault u8tbl.exe $@
03:25:17 <\oren\> Zarutian: you need two numbers
03:26:20 <boily> `u8tbl 0x0 0x1FFFF
03:27:29 <HackEgo> U+2E4E - No such unicode character name in database \ UTF-8: e2 b9 8e UTF-16BE: 2e4e Decimal: ⹎ \ ⹎ (⹎) \ Uppercase: U+2E4E \ Category: Cn (Other, Not Assigned)
03:34:48 <HackEgo> U+FFF9 INTERLINEAR ANNOTATION ANCHOR \ UTF-8: ef bf b9 UTF-16BE: fff9 Decimal: ￹ \ \ Category: Cf (Other, Format) \ Bidi: ON (Other Neutrals) \ \ U+FFFA INTERLINEAR ANNOTATION SEPARATOR \ UTF-8: ef bf ba UTF-16BE: fffa Decimal: ￺ \ \ Category: Cf (Other, Format) \ Bidi: ON (Other Neutrals) \ \ U+FFFB INTERLINEAR ANNOTATI
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03:45:02 <HackEgo> boxmodel:boxmodel is how we figure out how big Taneb's cage is going to be. \ Binary file reflection matches
03:45:26 <HackEgo> 5667:2015-06-24 <coppr̈o> learn boxmodel is how we figure out how big Taneb\'s cage is going to be.
04:04:02 <HackEgo> Unicode is a mess invented in 1988 by Xerox, Microsoft, the Spanish Inquisition, and the evil Human Supremacy Corporation, in order to make it easier for the government to spy on Chinese people.
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04:23:52 <boily> Microsoft doesn't exist. it wasn't Tanebvented.
04:39:03 <\oren\> `le/rn apple/An apple is a sweet fruit grown on trees in temperate areas. Also an unimportant Californian rectangle factory.
04:39:04 <HackEgo> All le//rn variants now use two slashes in the format.
04:39:14 <\oren\> `le/rn apple//An apple is a sweet fruit grown on trees in temperate areas. Also an unimportant Californian rectangle factory.
04:39:17 <HackEgo> Learned 'apple': An apple is a sweet fruit grown on trees in temperate areas. Also an unimportant Californian rectangle factory.
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06:43:57 <HackEgo> The plural form of "Belgium" is "Belgia".
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08:54:39 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Brainfuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50603&oldid=50562 * Rdebath * (+334) Small notes on "Hello World" variants
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11:56:21 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50604&oldid=50596 * Erikkonstas * (+281) /* Introductions */
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15:28:52 <boily> @tell oerjan hellørjan. au revoirjan.
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17:16:08 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[User:Ivancr72]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50605&oldid=50493 * Ivancr72 * (-21)
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18:36:00 <HackEgo> stalagmite//A stalagmite is an upside-down stalactite.
18:40:24 <boily> . o O ( resist the temptation. do not stalagtite. it's for your own best interest. do not yield. )
18:40:39 <boily> . o O ( damn you fingers. )
18:40:48 <boily> huh? wasn't there a wisdom about that?
18:41:26 <boily> yup, there was. still in the PDF, so all is well.
18:45:56 <HackEgo> evil throne//The evil throne belongs to oerjan, when he's not being overthrone. He rarely sits on it, though, since that time it tried to eat him.
18:46:22 <boily> didn't he relinquish it yesterday? or was it only the northern bit of it?
18:46:45 <boily> @ask oerjan hellørjagain. do you still throne, or did you abdicate all of it?
18:46:52 <HackEgo> alise//elliott's not hiding over here
18:47:08 <HackEgo> endomorphism//Endomorphisms are just final morphisms.
18:47:18 <HackEgo> manometer//A manometer is a device for testing real men by putting them under pressure.
18:47:44 <HackEgo> tgtgtgtg//This gizmo talks gibberish too garbled to grasp.
18:48:08 <boily> the sound of tickling Bruce Wayne's beard.
18:48:17 <HackEgo> tmux//tmux is a way to have tabs in your terminal without having bash barf all over your screen. It allows the character 🀤 to appear.
18:48:45 <boily> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!
18:49:12 <boily> I can't mouse select. if I drag'n'drop, it switches windows in weechat depending on the direction.
18:49:24 <boily> I don't want silly mouse gestures in my IRC.
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18:53:31 <HackEgo> [U+1F024 MAHJONG TILE BAMBOO]
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18:55:50 <boily> (ftr, I tried it, but found it too much of a hassle to properly configure to my tastes.)
18:56:16 <boily> (re my current problem: this only happens here on my laptop for no apparent reason.)
18:57:22 <int-e> it's a touchy topic
19:05:43 <zzo38> What electrical specification is needed for Digi-RGB to send the video properly without distortion? Some shielding may be needed also. Also the speed may be high so that also is relevant to figure if capacitance and so on is relevance but I don't know a lot about it to figure out
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19:41:37 <zzo38> C does not have the support for anonymous macros.
19:41:57 <zzo38> Nor for overloading macros.
19:43:38 <boily> hezzo38. how would one achieve an anonymous macro???
19:45:52 <zzo38> I am not quite sure, but I have once found myself wanting to use such a thing. Possibly that a macro argument will then be defined as a temporary macro with a new name not used otherwise.
19:46:31 <zzo38> C also has no precomputed or partially precomputed macros, and I think ability for partially precomputed macros can be useful to have.
19:46:54 <boily> shouldn't that be better constrained through well-typed higher-order functions?
19:47:29 <boily> (caveat boilemptor: I never used C's function pointers. they are terrifying.)
19:48:33 <zzo38> That is one thing, but macros is another thing. High-order macro can be help good though I think
19:49:31 <zzo38> I think the main problem with C's function pointers is the syntax for specifying types, but if you use typedef then you can avoid these problems.
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20:24:07 <\oren\> I'm adding more ogham letters
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20:35:33 <izabera> any japanese speaker online?
20:36:42 <izabera> http://i.imgur.com/22US73Y.png they wrote goddo in furigana over kami, and the voice actor also read goddo
20:42:09 <alercah> izabera: an alternate reading
20:42:58 <alercah> in this case it looks like the name is "God Enel", and they wanted to preserve the meaning of the kanji for kami, so they used the kanji but the furigana say to pronounce it differently
20:43:53 <\oren\> they just decided to say the english word god but write it with 神 to give the meaning
20:45:44 <\oren\> similar thing below that where they wrote 夜明曲 but gave furigana of オーバード
20:48:41 <\oren\> the kanji reads as dawn-song roughly
20:49:11 <izabera> i see, but i didn't know those <.<
20:49:52 <\oren\> 夜明曲 isn't a real word apparently
20:50:16 <\oren\> but 夜明け means dawn and 曲 means song
20:52:41 <zzo38> I have also noticed at least once before in Akagi manga where they did add a kanji with the furigana to specify the English reading.
20:53:44 <zzo38> Sometimes it can be confusing if you mean a Japanese, Chinese, or English reading of the words, but probably to Japanese people it is less confusing, although still sometimes they want to specify differently I suppose, is why they do like that.
20:54:19 <alercah> Mudazumo Naki Kaikaku does it a bunch to rename mahjong terms
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21:27:14 <zzo38> I wrote on my computer how to make up a Pokemon game out of only sixty-four printable ASCII characters arranged in a 8x8 grid, and seven buttons.
21:28:22 <zzo38> This is link to what I wrote about it http://zzo38computer.org/textfile/miscellaneous/pokemon8x8
21:30:31 <zzo38> Nicknames can be limited to two letters, name of attacks/items can be limited to five letters
21:30:43 <zzo38> Name of element types can be limited to one letter.
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21:59:46 <int-e> ... bah, 8 years after it was founded it finally dawns upon me that "groupon" is a pun. (triggered by a discussion of "groupBy" in #haskell of all things)
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22:13:05 <int-e> Why don't you join and judge for yourself.
22:13:47 <int-e> It's not as cool as it was, but it's not bad either, I think. But I actually don't read it much anymore.
22:14:49 <shachaf> 01:08 <shachaf> Is it considered a problem if I can write "x = y" but can't give x the inferred type, or are situations like that unavoidable nowadays?
22:14:56 <shachaf> 01:11 <shachaf> What about if I can use a value with a type application, but can't :t it in ghci?
22:14:59 <shachaf> 01:11 <shachaf> These are both with AmbiguousTypes (and TypeApplications).
22:15:46 <shachaf> I was trying to get reflection working with type application.
22:16:02 <shachaf> And even when I could make something with the right type it was unusable.
22:16:04 <int-e> Didn't get a reply, but it's a tricky question... might try the mailing list (so that SPJ sees the question, he and goldfire are probably the two people who are most qualified to answer this question)
22:16:35 <shachaf> If only SPJ was reachable without email.
22:21:33 <\oren\> Cheers is a funny show
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22:54:04 <zzo38> Do you have email? I find a better email client is Heirloom-Mailx and I can avoid spam by creating new aliases for each thing.
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22:58:24 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Talk:Tiny]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50606&oldid=50601 * Serprex * (+283) contradiction
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23:55:34 <lambdabot> boily said 8h 26m 41s ago: hellørjan. au revoirjan.
23:55:34 <lambdabot> boily asked 5h 8m 48s ago: hellørjagain. do you still throne, or did you abdicate all of it?
23:55:58 <oerjan> helloily. the northernmost throne is entirely separate from the evil throne hth
23:58:14 <oerjan> <boily> huh? wasn't there a wisdom about that? <-- check the spelling hth