< 1483575118 0 :moonythedwarf!~moonythed@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1483575147 0 :moonythedwarf!~moonythed@tx-76-1-78-198.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1483575170 0 :moonythedwarf!?@? NICK :Guest46704 < 1483575253 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar EFIV < 1483575254 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :EFIV 042350Z AUTO 22008KT 9999 -SHSN BKN020 OVC053 M24/M27 Q1021 < 1483575256 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, no colder. < 1483575278 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar KSEA < 1483575278 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar EFET < 1483575278 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :KSEA 042353Z 03011KT 10SM CLR 02/M10 A3028 RMK AO2 SLP264 T00171100 10022 21022 53009 < 1483575278 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :EFET 042350Z AUTO 00000KT CAVOK M34/M38 Q1022 < 1483575283 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that's more like it. < 1483575301 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is "it" absolute 0? < 1483575495 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`icao EFET < 1483575501 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Enontekio (ENF, EFET) < 1483575910 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :That translates literally to "unclemaker". < 1483575974 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that seems like a strange name for a place. < 1483576002 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :The etymology is probably something completely different in reality, but that's what it sounds like. < 1483576005 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION gets flashback to the south park movie. < 1483576030 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did also approximate "tekiö" -> "tekijä". < 1483576046 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the first one, in case they made more) < 1483576074 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :aren't like "o" and "ö" completely different vowels? < 1483576080 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fun fact: Finnish disambiguates between a mother's brother (eno) and a father's brother (setä), while English calls both uncles. < 1483576100 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`icao ENRO < 1483576101 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: Yes, but airports.dat doesn't deal with non-ASCII characters. The place is actually Enontekiö. < 1483576103 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Roros (RRS, ENRO) < 1483576113 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :figures. < 1483576119 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that's actually Røros) < 1483576141 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was going to ask if it was Rorøs. < 1483576187 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. that's a bit less likely, -os means end of river, essentially. < 1483576190 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been to Å once. < 1483576234 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i may have been at least twice. < 1483576253 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's ancestor country.) < 1483576254 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you've got more than one of them, though. < 1483576270 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that too, but i don't recall being to more than one. < 1483576277 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :`icao ENRS < 1483576280 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Røst Airport (RET, ENRS) < 1483576289 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1483576290 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's got them øs. < 1483576292 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, IDGI. < 1483576305 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's crowdsourced data, I believe. < 1483576323 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't _think_ i've been to Røst, it's a bit of a ferry jump or something. < 1483576336 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(from Å) < 1483576372 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds like it's the same Å, then. < 1483576373 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :while Å is on the contiguous lofoten road. < 1483576404 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it wasn't yet contiguous when i grew up, i think.) < 1483576429 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :We took the ferry from Å (or nearabouts) to Værøya, but not to Røst. < 1483576525 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: swedish also distinguishes the uncles, while norwegian doesn't. < 1483576541 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also aunts) < 1483576577 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :an «oncle» is an «oncle». different words are confusing hth < 1483576606 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :farbror and morbror aren't very confusing, it's obvious even to norwegians what they mean. < 1483576629 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but we just use "onkel" ourselves. < 1483576671 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and "tante", we have a bit of french borrowing there. < 1483576799 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it also /tãt/, or was it norwegianified? < 1483576849 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and "nevø" and "niese", and "kusine" (female only) < 1483576873 0 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-126-39.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: that pronunciation would be spelled tåt or something < 1483576888 0 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-126-39.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :swedish has tant meaning just old lady, no auntiness implied < 1483576922 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: So what's a male cousin then? < 1483576961 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: "fetter". although in practice we often use the gender neutral "søskenbarn". < 1483576976 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Childish" Finnish speech can use "täti" (aunt) for non-family-member old ladies as well. < 1483577001 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that one's apparently a german borrowing) < 1483577006 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finnish "serkku" is just a cousin of any gender. < 1483577030 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finnish is pretty good. < 1483577034 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and all of these refer to _only_ second cousins no removal < 1483577038 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1483577040 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*first < 1483577056 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should get my Finnish passport renewed but it's embarrassing to go to the consulate and not speak any Finnish. < 1483577059 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Same thing. Although we've got "pikkuserkku" for a second cousin. < 1483577066 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :second cousins etc. are "tremenning", "firmenning", ... < 1483577131 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a bunch of entirely obsolete Finnish words for lesser cousins that I don't know of. < 1483577133 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: it's norwegianified. stupid wiktionary lacks the ipa. < 1483577149 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but all are the "obvious" sound for norwegian. < 1483577211 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and there's the prefix "grand-" which can be applied to onkel, tante, nevø or niese to add a level. < 1483577268 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :grand-oerjan < 1483577324 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but _not_ to parents or children to get the english grand-, for the first the prefix is "beste-" _or_ you can simply compose "far" and "mor". < 1483577394 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and composition works for children as well.) < 1483577412 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Swedish does the farfar/farmor/morfar/mormor thing as well. < 1483577429 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you do more than two levels? < 1483577444 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then there's "olde-", for the level above "beste-", which works in both directions. and then you add as many "tipp-" as you want to _that_. < 1483577481 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so grandfather's grandfather can be "tippoldefar". < 1483577521 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :to be specific, i think you need to start using genitive, like "farfars farfar" or the like. < 1483577533 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*more specific < 1483577553 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finnish just repeats the same prefix, so father -> isä, grandfather -> isoisä, great-grandfather -> isoisoisä, and so on. < 1483577583 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :how logical. < 1483577593 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :iso standard < 1483577599 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if "isoisoisoisä" would really be considered acceptable any more, though. < 1483577664 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :("esi-isä" would be any (male) ancestor.) < 1483577757 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be "stamfar", i guess < 1483577844 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although that may sort of imply the first common ancestor of a tribe. not that norway has tribes any more, generally. < 1483577909 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :("stamme" = "tribe", in some usages. (also means trunk of a tree)) < 1483577955 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was expecting something vaguely exponential, but Google says isä -> 7460000 results, isoisä -> 512000, isoisoisä -> 6050, iso^3isä -> 2570, iso^4isä -> 774, iso^5isä -> 394, iso^6isä -> 279, iso^7isä -> 10, iso^8isä -> 4, iso^9isä -> 4, iso^10isä -> 2, iso^11isä -> 2, iso^12isä -> 2, iso^13isä -> 1, iso^14isä -> 0. < 1483578003 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is JOIN :#esoteric < 1483578101 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map logBase (1/2) [7460000,512000,6050,2570,774,394,279,10,4,4,2,2,2,1] < 1483578103 0 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-flwqjixvyxqkezqw QUIT :Excess Flood < 1483578105 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : error: < 1483578105 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : • Couldn't match expected type ‘[Integer] -> t’ < 1483578105 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : with actual type ‘[a0 -> a0]’ < 1483578121 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map (logBase (1/2)) [7460000,512000,6050,2570,774,394,279,10,4,4,2,2,2,1] < 1483578126 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : [-22.830744199804688,-18.96578428466209,-12.56271942704932,-11.3275526440812... < 1483578129 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1483578157 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map (logBase 2) [7460000,512000,6050,2570,774,394,279,10,4,4,2,2,2,1] :: [Float] < 1483578160 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : [22.830744,18.965784,12.562719,11.327553,9.5961895,8.622051,8.124122,3.32192... < 1483578178 0 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-xnidyyyqqnpfjrjn JOIN :#esoteric < 1483578235 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map ((/13).logBase 7460000) [7460000,512000,6050,2570,774,394,279,10,4,4,2,2,2,1] :: [Float] < 1483578237 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : [7.692308e-2,6.390096e-2,4.2327266e-2,3.816565e-2,3.233221e-2,2.9050073e-2,2... < 1483578245 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sigh* < 1483578258 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1483578267 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map ((*13).logBase 7460000) [7460000,512000,6050,2570,774,394,279,10,4,4,2,2,2,1] :: [Float] < 1483578270 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : [13.0,10.799262,7.153308,6.449995,5.4641438,4.9094625,4.6259365,1.8915312,1.... < 1483578286 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that is why you do not use floats with fixed sized mantissa and exponent < 1483578307 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1483578351 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :imprecision at certain points a long the number line < 1483578362 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/a long/along/ < 1483578394 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> concatMap (printf("%.2f ").(*(13::Float)).logBase 7460000) [7460000,512000,6050,2570,774,394,279,10,4,4,2,2,2,1] < 1483578397 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : error: < 1483578397 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : • Ambiguous type variable ‘b0’ arising from a use of ‘show_M723232078194... < 1483578397 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : prevents the constraint ‘(Show b0)’ from being solved. < 1483578401 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ARGH < 1483578408 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> concatMap (printf("%.2f ").(*(13::Float)).logBase 7460000) [7460000,512000,6050,2570,774,394,279,10,4,4,2,2,2,1] :: String < 1483578412 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : "13.00 10.80 7.15 6.45 5.46 4.91 4.63 1.89 1.14 1.14 0.57 0.57 0.57 0.00 " < 1483578455 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, that is not very linear. < 1483578630 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://chart.googleapis.com/chart?cht=lc&chs=600x300&chd=t:7460000,512000,6050,2570,774,394,279,10,4,4,2,2,2,1&chds=a&chfd=0,x,0,20*log(x) < 1483578644 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :It took me too long to get that out. < 1483578663 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Oh, I was hoping for a fizzie-style ASCII art histogram. < 1483578743 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been thinking of writing a script to do plotting-related activities, with sensible heuristics for input and various output formats, including "Unicode block drawing for | sprunge". < 1483578787 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :dwimunge < 1483578811 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(hm what does sprunge mean, anyway) < 1483578827 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :scow prunge hth < 1483578835 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :scow = scientific cow < 1483578846 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :funny, wiktionary's only definition for that is nynorsk < 1483578905 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://nn.wikipedia.org/wiki/Det_hev_ei_rose_sprunge < 1483578953 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i considered learning that one in the original german. but i found out it had more weird theology than i like. < 1483578967 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for this christmas) < 1483578982 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there an example of nonweird theology < 1483578991 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in principle not < 1483579016 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but one is sort of acclimatized to the usual carol stuff < 1483579063 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Es ist ein Ros entsprungen, fwiw) < 1483579079 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ein' Ros' < 1483579116 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :That text is weird even to me. < 1483579158 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :The first line invites a pun though, "Es ist ein Ross entsprungen" < 1483579364 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION feels like he should mapole int-e, but doesn't understand German whatsoever < 1483579381 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :♫ Det hev ein kvalross sprunge... ♫ < 1483579416 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i think the -ross in kvalross (walrus) may be cognate to de:Ross, but it's no longer used for horse in norwegian.) < 1483579436 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: what build system should i use twh < 1483579475 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: Ros' = Rose = rose; Ross = horse (somewhat old fashioned) < 1483579484 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Lego (tm) < 1483579505 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm and en:horse is cognate as well, isn't it < 1483579530 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: but the point is that "entspringen" is not uncommon for running away, whereas using it for plants is quite unusual. < 1483579611 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: it's something that I don't think about much; for simple things I tend to write Makefiles, and I tend not to start big projects so I stick with whatever is already in place. < 1483579652 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :And for pure Haskell projects, cabal is still the obvious choice I think. < 1483579751 0 :sparr!~sparr@2604:a880:800:10::103:f001 QUIT :Changing host < 1483579751 0 :sparr!~sparr@pdpc/supporter/active/sparr JOIN :#esoteric < 1483579904 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: In my opinion it's ridiculous that every language thinks it needs to have its own build system and packaging system and package repository and everything. < 1483579910 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's no good reason for it. < 1483579965 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell and Cabal/Hackage, Rust and Cargo/Crates, Python and pip/easy_install/pypi/whatever, Ruby and gems, ... < 1483579968 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's such a mess. < 1483579970 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The origin of the word walrus is thought by J.R.R. Tolkien[5] to derive from a Germanic language, and it has been attributed largely to either the Dutch language or Old Norse. Its first part is thought to derive from a word such as Dutch walvis 'whale'. Its second part has also been hypothesized to come from the Old Norse word for 'horse'.[6]" < 1483580023 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Each of them has its own dependency management and all those things. < 1483580029 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: agreed but apparently it's something that people enjoy doing :P < 1483580038 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :And obviously none of them are perfect. < 1483580041 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if you want to depend on a cross-language library, like a protobuf file? < 1483580050 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't use any of these things effectively. < 1483580066 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :"From Old Norse hrosshvalr ‎(“horse-whale”)" hmm, I wonder why we inverted it... < 1483580072 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrosshvalr → valross < 1483580121 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :And even the general purpose build systems are a mess... make doesn't handle configuration so there's autoconf+automake; then there's cmake, something awful called conscript, and I'm sure several dozen others. < 1483580232 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: anyway I see a problem but basically I see no way to solve it; all that can easily be accomplished is https://xkcd.com/927/ < 1483580245 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, hardly anyone is even trying. < 1483580323 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Almost all of these systems are low-level and not declarative. It's scow. < 1483580358 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make is declarative enough to actually get things done in a more or less modular fashion < 1483580422 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :And in any case it's a hard problem if you want to cover all use cases. It's very easy to cover just what you need. Hence the proliferation of half-baked systems, I think. < 1483580443 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :make is declarative? In what sense? < 1483580456 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You write out shell commands for every target! < 1483580461 0 :Guest46704!~moonythed@tx-76-1-78-198.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1483580554 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :The dependencies are declarative. You have pattern rules to describe how to build certain subparts. Order doesn't matter much... < 1483580815 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesnt make and such systems violate the DRY principle (dont repeat yourself)? < 1483580952 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, what is it that you think you're repeating? < 1483581218 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :which modules depended on which submodules < 1483581233 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically the dependency graph < 1483581252 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah a lot of effort goes into generating the obvious dependencies automatically, as a rule < 1483582602 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a me < 1483582604 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am back < 1483582632 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :alercahello! < 1483582732 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: DIATONIC CHICKEN < 1483583155 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :au revoily I guess < 1483583174 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PART #esoteric :"MODULAR CHICKEN" < 1483583174 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1483583186 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is QUIT :Quit: Zarutian < 1483583272 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1483583549 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1483583616 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`grwp redundan < 1483583645 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dereduntantation:Dereduntantation is the process of making things less redundant. It is typically done with either regexes or regular expressions. \ redundancy:Since redundancy exists, it's redundant for Taneb to invent it. \ Binary file reflection matches < 1483583646 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: are you faster than HackEgo? < 1483583647 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: madam president, we are creating and financing software systems that allow dictatorial regimes and, increasingly, workers in precarious or atypical employment or workers with low salaries. against this background, it is not in a position really to define the most controversial mechanisms introduced by the fascist regime in power in burundi today. if the commission is not taking the kind of consensus that the mai should n < 1483583753 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :if language implementers provided tools to list module dependencies for use in makefiles, instead of proliferating new build systems < 1483583785 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1483583787 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :as it is, fungot, every build system is its own dictatorial regime < 1483583787 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: we can only encourage the dutch presidency to be more easily mastered in future. in this world. < 1483583871 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: you want them to be pushovers? < 1483583872 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: mr president, it is absolutely essential for the smooth development of the media to participate in management board meetings provided that the text of the common cause. the commission's proposal more attractive to a larger number than 38 but there comes a time within a european framework to define the new instruments i welcome your offer of cooperation with a view to promoting cooperation between universities with due re < 1483583919 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :spect. < 1483583950 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :endgram < 1483584656 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1483584696 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1483584731 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1483585354 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1483585521 0 :IronY!~IronY@unaffiliated/irony QUIT :*.net *.split < 1483585521 0 :alakra!~alakra@2604:a880:0:1010::f5:f001 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1483585521 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :*.net *.split < 1483585521 0 :pledis_!~nayoung@2400:6180:0:d0::383:e001 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1483585521 0 :L3viathan!~L3viathan@l3vi.de QUIT :*.net *.split < 1483585522 0 :cnr!~connor@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :*.net *.split < 1483585527 0 :pledis!~nayoung@2400:6180:0:d0::383:e001 JOIN :#esoteric < 1483585528 0 :L3viathan!~L3viathan@l3vi.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1483585540 0 :IronY!~IronY@unaffiliated/irony JOIN :#esoteric < 1483585542 0 :alakra!~alakra@2604:a880:0:1010::f5:f001 JOIN :#esoteric < 1483585554 0 :cnr!~connor@2a01:4f8:201:7482::2 JOIN :#esoteric < 1483585562 0 :L3viathan!?@? NICK :Guest2603 < 1483585564 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1483585565 0 :cnr!~connor@2a01:4f8:201:7482::2 QUIT :Changing host < 1483585565 0 :cnr!~connor@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1483585811 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1483585972 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-0-88.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar KFLY < 1483585973 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :KFLY 050255Z AUTO 35018G24KT 10SM OVC021 M16/M21 A2975 RMK AO2 T11591209 < 1483585994 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`icao KFLY < 1483586003 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-0-88.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1483586012 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1483586046 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-0-88.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just before we get 4 to 7 inches (10 to 18 cm) of snow. Yay. < 1483587069 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1483587221 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1483590456 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1483590653 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1483591052 0 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1483591442 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1483593909 0 :anotterbot!~yaybot@unaffiliated/jeffl35/bot/jeffbot QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1483594461 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1483601801 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1483604746 0 :jix!~jix@jixco.de QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1483606203 0 :augur!~augur@2601:640:8001:4222:91a4:fe5:2451:baec JOIN :#esoteric < 1483607013 0 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1483607076 0 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1483611215 0 :Guest57855!~IRIX@picon.email QUIT :Changing host < 1483611215 0 :Guest57855!~IRIX@freebsd/user/kastengraeber JOIN :#esoteric < 1483611218 0 :Guest57855!?@? NICK :JX7P < 1483616170 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1483616253 0 :augur!~augur@2601:640:8001:4222:91a4:fe5:2451:baec QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1483616866 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1483616878 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :plan9//Plan9 is the precursor to Dante's Inferno, home of the Limbo programming language. < 1483617344 0 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi QUIT :*.net *.split < 1483617344 0 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin QUIT :*.net *.split < 1483617344 0 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-178-004-076-070.178.004.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :*.net *.split < 1483617344 0 :ski!~ski@remote11.chalmers.se QUIT :*.net *.split < 1483617345 0 :ffj-bot!eldis4@firefly.xen.prgmr.com QUIT :*.net *.split < 1483617345 0 :trn!jhj@prone.ws QUIT :*.net *.split < 1483617345 0 :aloril_!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw1-54fa3f-129.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :*.net *.split < 1483617345 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf QUIT :*.net *.split < 1483617345 0 :vifino!~vifino@tty.sh QUIT :*.net *.split < 1483617351 0 :atehwa_!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1483617353 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1483617355 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com QUIT :Changing host < 1483617355 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf JOIN :#esoteric < 1483617357 0 :trn!jhj@prone.ws JOIN :#esoteric < 1483617357 0 :ski_!~ski@remote11.chalmers.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1483617382 0 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-178-004-076-070.178.004.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1483617411 0 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1483617429 0 :aloril_!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw1-54fa3f-129.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1483617438 0 :vifino!~vifino@tty.sh JOIN :#esoteric < 1483618059 0 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1483618159 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? netsplit < 1483618163 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :netsplit? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1483618294 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh! They made an artifact-based convoke in the new set. Brilliant! That ought to be not as broken as affinity, but it still lets you use your Darksteel Relics. < 1483618374 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(M:tG) < 1483618722 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jellonas. convoking artifacts is a little broken already. free mana for nothing, along with colourless lands... < 1483618833 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing like being on the receiving end of an eldrazi rush. < 1483619365 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: MOSS CHICKEN < 1483619423 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1483619472 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: sure, but it won't be as broken as affinity. < 1483619492 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's only as broken as fast elves < 1483622353 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1483623347 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1483625549 0 :devhydraz!matheus@heddw.ch JOIN :#esoteric < 1483625549 0 :devhydraz!matheus@heddw.ch QUIT :Changing host < 1483625549 0 :devhydraz!matheus@unaffiliated/demhydraz JOIN :#esoteric < 1483625707 0 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1483625707 0 :hydraz!matheus@unaffiliated/demhydraz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1483625925 0 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1483626850 0 :jix!~jix@jixco.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1483627118 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07CodeFuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50651&oldid=50595 5* 03BeHuman 5* (+391) 10 < 1483627719 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07CodeFuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50652&oldid=50651 5* 03BeHuman 5* (+0) 10/* Functions examples */ < 1483627747 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07CodeFuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50653&oldid=50652 5* 03BeHuman 5* (+16) 10/* Operators */ < 1483629153 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1483629185 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1483629462 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1483630032 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1483630052 0 :Akaibu!uid118096@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-eezynlwsosqnzygz QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1483630485 0 :otherbot!~yaybot@unaffiliated/jeffl35/bot/jeffbot JOIN :#esoteric < 1483631707 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :so many fucks < 1483631752 0 :jix!~jix@jixco.de QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1483632759 0 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nwucnpaqsuwsnkwk JOIN :#esoteric < 1483633323 0 :Bowserinator_!~Bowser@2a02:748:a800:ca7:ea75:b12d:51:a5c3 JOIN :#esoteric < 1483633601 0 :Bowserinator_!~Bowser@2a02:748:a800:ca7:ea75:b12d:51:a5c3 PART #esoteric : < 1483634765 0 :jix!~jix@jixco.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1483634824 0 :wlp1s1!jeffl@unaffiliated/iczero QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1483635246 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1483635376 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :yo < 1483635380 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need help with make < 1483635383 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll never learn it < 1483635390 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://arin.ga/4M724y/raw < 1483635405 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i type make without arguments, i expect it to run the rules for memmon.so and memmon < 1483635411 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it only runs the one for memmon < 1483635414 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :why that? < 1483635463 0 :iczero!jeffl@unaffiliated/iczero JOIN :#esoteric < 1483635560 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :plz halp ;-; < 1483635566 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :make is too esoteric for me < 1483635584 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: make runs the first rule in the file, if given no arguments < 1483635591 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT < 1483635594 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :not all? < 1483635598 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's usual to have the first rule be something like «all: memmon memmon.so» < 1483635616 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :THANK YOU < 1483635619 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if you want bulding everything to be the default) < 1483635662 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :where is this in the manual?! < 1483635671 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :please don't say something like line 3 < 1483635684 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :9.2, second paragraph :-) < 1483635729 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that's not a joke, I have the manual open to that page right now in order to look up what the section number is) < 1483635753 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you for your help < 1483635836 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: too honest to pretend you've memorized it? :P < 1483635843 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :make's manual is one of those things where you'll probably end up missing details whether you read it cover to cover or not < 1483635850 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that'd be amusing but not too plausilbe < 1483635852 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*plausible < 1483635946 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i recall reading that von neumann could recite books from memory. < 1483635955 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :who wants to try this memmon thing? < 1483635957 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course he wasn't a very plausible person. < 1483635971 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/izabera/memmon plz try it < 1483636174 0 :moonythedwarf!~moonythed@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf JOIN :#esoteric < 1483636177 0 :moonythedwarf!~moonythed@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :beep beep < 1483636189 0 :iovoid!iovoid@unaffiliated/iovoid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1483636196 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is JOIN :#esoteric < 1483636211 0 :iczero!jeffl@unaffiliated/iczero QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1483636255 0 :lezsakdomi!~led@540354BE.catv.pool.telekom.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1483636426 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn The markdown flavor of the day is nutella. < 1483636439 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Relearned 'markdown': The markdown flavor of the day is nutella. < 1483636518 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Hq9++fan 5* 10New user account < 1483636579 0 :augur!~augur@c-67-160-198-240.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1483636584 0 :augur!~augur@c-67-160-198-240.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1483636602 0 :moonythedwarf!~moonythed@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :'? the < 1483636636 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION whistles innocently < 1483636658 0 :moonythedwarf!~moonythed@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? the < 1483636662 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Toe of Harriness's Enclosure < 1483636664 0 :nycs!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1483636690 0 :moonythedwarf!~moonythed@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o the entry fir 'the' contains itself. < 1483636704 0 :moonythedwarf!~moonythed@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :its recursive < 1483636718 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? recursion < 1483636720 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You might expect a reference to recursion here, but to make it interesting you'll actuallSTACK OVERFLOW < 1483636725 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50654&oldid=50648 5* 03Hq9++fan 5* (+180) 10/* Introductions */ < 1483636739 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Hello++++14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50655&oldid=38760 5* 03Hq9++fan 5* (+67) 10categorized < 1483636774 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :moonythedwarf: it is likely that it was created by someone using an old version of `learn at random. < 1483636782 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cwlprits the < 1483636790 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1483636804 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjän hppavilion[1̈] oren̈_ oerjän Rouj̈o < 1483636845 0 :moonythedwarf!~moonythed@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, with you seeingly making other entrys like this, i suspected you would be involved. i was right < 1483636868 0 :LiberalCarrot!~LiberalCa@52d3d456.dynamic-ip.k-net.dk JOIN :#esoteric < 1483636869 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :only technically, i suspect. < 1483636872 0 :LiberalCarrot!~LiberalCa@52d3d456.dynamic-ip.k-net.dk PART #esoteric : < 1483636874 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`dowt the < 1483636888 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :3524:2013-08-29 learn The Neverending Work is what boily is going through \x16trying\x16 to map entries that are being put in at the same time. \ 3571:2013-08-29 mv wisdom/the{,\' neverending work\'} \ 5997:2015-09-15 le/rn the/the Toe of Harriness\'s Enclosure \ 6805:2016-02-10 ` echo "echo $RANDOM" < 1483636905 0 :augur!~augur@c-67-160-198-240.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1483636916 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh it was \oren\ and it used le/rn < 1483636929 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`dowg the < 1483636938 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :6808:2016-02-10 undo 7476893e7fc3 \ 6805:2016-02-10 ` echo "echo $RANDOM" > wisdom/the meaning of life \ 5997:2015-09-15 le/rn the/the Toe of Harriness\'s Enclosure \ 3571:2013-08-29 mv wisdom/the{,\' neverending work\'} \ 3524:2013-08-29 learn The Neverending Work is what boily is going t < 1483636974 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :all i did was clean up stuff < 1483637003 0 :moonythedwarf!~moonythed@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`gwni taneb < 1483637020 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also how can you possibly consider that to be my style, it breaks most of the rules of wisdom < 1483637025 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :_46bit \ algebraic geometry \ automatic squirrel feeder \ bbc \ bdsm \ bogosort \ boxmodel \ chu space \ ci \ civilization \ costume \ cumin \ curry's paradox \ deniability \ denial \ dew \ d-module \ dragon \ ehird \ eliot \ eyebrow \ facebook \ fundamental theorem of taneb \ go \ grace period \ histogram \ it \ klein bottle \ lambek's lemma \ loc < 1483637039 0 :moonythedwarf!~moonythed@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :taneb is in ALL the things < 1483637049 0 :moonythedwarf!~moonythed@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? tachyon < 1483637052 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tachyon? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1483637207 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn tachyon is a particle yet to be invented. Meta theorized to be a force carrier in thimotimoline molecules. < 1483637207 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn The tachyon is rude and has no style, but gets away with it because of its speed. Taneb will invent it if he ever catches up. < 1483637210 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1483637228 0 :moonythedwarf!~moonythed@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1483637233 0 :moonythedwarf!~moonythed@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :same millisecond < 1483637234 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'tachyon': The tachyon is rude and has no style, but gets away with it because of its speed. Taneb will invent it if he ever catches up. < 1483637237 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Relearned 'tachyon': tachyon is a particle yet to be invented. Meta theorized to be a force carrier in thimotimoline molecules. < 1483637243 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert < 1483637258 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i claim priority on the principle that you misspelled thiotimoline hth < 1483637272 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done. < 1483637281 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn it! Wasnt prior enough ;-Þ < 1483637366 0 :moonythedwarf!~moonythed@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` gwni taneb > tanebEntries < 1483637380 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1483637381 0 :moonythedwarf!~moonythed@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`paste tanebEntries < 1483637385 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/tanebEntries < 1483637387 0 :Akaibu!uid118096@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lgxsfrvuxtjpwlmc JOIN :#esoteric < 1483637396 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :moonythedwarf: you should pipe into paste hth < 1483637421 0 :moonythedwarf!~moonythed@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :70 things contain taneb, and nice to know, thx < 1483637541 0 :augur!~augur@c-67-160-198-240.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1483637566 0 :moonythedwarf!~moonythed@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo "Hello, World" | paste < 1483637574 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/paste/paste.16387 < 1483637583 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's also the `1 and `spam commands, of course. < 1483637802 0 :moonythedwarf!~moonythed@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`l doesnt exist. < 1483637804 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: l: not found < 1483637824 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY < 1483637839 0 :moonythedwarf!~moonythed@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :? why the caps < 1483637840 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :moonythedwarf: your font is inferior < 1483637852 0 :moonythedwarf!~moonythed@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1483637852 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm with \oren\ < 1483637854 0 :moonythedwarf!~moonythed@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats a 1 < 1483637857 0 :moonythedwarf!~moonythed@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`1 < 1483637861 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/0: < 1483637870 0 :moonythedwarf!~moonythed@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`1 -h < 1483637873 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/1:/hackenv/bin/`: line 4: -h: command not found < 1483637885 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :moonythedwarf: fonts that don't distinguish between 1,l,I are bad. < 1483637891 0 :moonythedwarf!~moonythed@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ik < 1483637901 0 :moonythedwarf!~moonythed@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does shwo the diffrence (Fairly well actually) im just dumb < 1483637921 0 :moonythedwarf!~moonythed@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :font: Monospace 9 < 1483637925 0 :moonythedwarf!~moonythed@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :anything better? < 1483637944 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :1lI| O0 2Z < 1483637968 0 :moonythedwarf!~moonythed@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup, i see the diffrence: one l I | O zero two Z < 1483638061 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`'‘’‛′‵ < 1483638061 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :3З 4Ч < 1483638061 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: '‘’‛′‵: not found < 1483638086 0 :moonythedwarf!~moonythed@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup, diffrence seen. except for the two 33 < 1483638096 0 :moonythedwarf!~moonythed@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :or are you tricking me < 1483638102 0 :iovoid!iovoid@unaffiliated/iovoid JOIN :#esoteric < 1483638106 0 :moonythedwarf!~moonythed@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiovoid < 1483638107 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1483638110 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not < 1483638116 0 :moonythedwarf!~moonythed@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whats the diffrence? < 1483638118 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :moonythedwarf: one of them is a russian letter < 1483638119 0 :iczero!jeffl@unaffiliated/iczero JOIN :#esoteric < 1483638124 0 :moonythedwarf!~moonythed@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :FFS < 1483638127 0 :moonythedwarf!~moonythed@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hicizero < 1483638129 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode З < 1483638136 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+0417 CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER ZE \ UTF-8: d0 97 UTF-16BE: 0417 Decimal: З \ З (з) \ Lowercase: U+0437 \ Category: Lu (Letter, Uppercase) \ Bidi: L (Left-to-Right) < 1483638163 0 :moonythedwarf!~moonythed@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :well this font is a good-OK font then < 1483638171 0 :moonythedwarf!~moonythed@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :just misses some spots < 1483638182 0 :moonythedwarf!~moonythed@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :*makes his own font where everything is a '1'* < 1483638191 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :IⅠІ < 1483638216 0 :moonythedwarf!~moonythed@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :diffrence seen, except the first and last letters are identical? *unicodes them* < 1483638233 0 :moonythedwarf!~moonythed@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`1 unicode IⅠІ < 1483638240 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/2:U+0049 LATIN CAPITAL LETTER I \ UTF-8: 49 UTF-16BE: 0049 Decimal: I \ I (i) \ Lowercase: U+0069 \ Category: Lu (Letter, Uppercase) \ Bidi: L (Left-to-Right) \ \ U+2160 ROMAN NUMERAL ONE \ UTF-8: e2 85 a0 UTF-16BE: 2160 Decimal: Ⅰ \ Ⅰ (ⅰ) \ Lowercase: U+2170 \ Category: Nl (Number, Letter) \ Numeric value: 1 \ Bidi: < 1483638247 0 :moonythedwarf!~moonythed@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`1 < 1483638251 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/0: < 1483638253 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1483638255 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`spam < 1483638257 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2/0: < 1483638280 0 :LiberalSquash!~LiberalSq@kol-kvintus.cust.fsknet.dk JOIN :#esoteric < 1483638280 0 :LiberalSquash!~LiberalSq@kol-kvintus.cust.fsknet.dk PART #esoteric : < 1483638280 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :TOO LATE < 1483638280 0 :moonythedwarf!~moonythed@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, ? < 1483638280 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`2 unicode IⅠІ < 1483638281 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2/2:L (Left-to-Right) \ Decomposition: 0049 \ \ U+0406 CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER BYELORUSSIAN-UKRAINIAN I \ UTF-8: d0 86 UTF-16BE: 0406 Decimal: І \ І (і) \ Lowercase: U+0456 \ Category: Lu (Letter, Uppercase) \ Bidi: L (Left-to-Right) \ < 1483638304 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :moonythedwarf: `1 always uses a new command. you want `spam (which can also be abbreviated `n) < 1483638316 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :my font is the master font < 1483638339 0 :moonythedwarf!~moonythed@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hey there is a tiny diffrence (few pixels are shaded on the cyrillic I) < 1483638345 0 :moonythedwarf!~moonythed@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\, font download? :P < 1483638356 0 :moonythedwarf!~moonythed@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :or its name? < 1483638358 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.orenwatson.be/neoletters.ttf < 1483638359 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fortunately, `2 is nice for when you forget. < 1483638367 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.orenwatson.be/fontdemo.htm < 1483638373 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(demo page) < 1483638380 0 :moonythedwarf!~moonythed@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that one < 1483638390 0 :moonythedwarf!~moonythed@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :*downloads (i've seen it before) < 1483638414 0 :moonythedwarf!~moonythed@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what foldr do fonts go to on ubuntu linux < 1483638451 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :/usr/share/fonts I think < 1483638473 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 upload10 02 5* 03Hq9++fan 5* 10uploaded "[[02File:Code-golf.png10]]" < 1483638495 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no link? < 1483638517 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a separate roman numeral 1? YOU GO TOO FAR < 1483638576 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it has to be different so that the upper and lower bar connects to adjoining numerals < 1483638583 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1483638653 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ⅩⅩⅩⅠ < 1483638690 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could also use the Ⅺ and Ⅻ characters though < 1483638703 0 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-xnidyyyqqnpfjrjn QUIT :Excess Flood < 1483638724 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't actually see any of them < 1483638751 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well, I mean unicode has characters for roman numbers 11 and 12 < 1483638760 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1483638789 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :meaning that you could do (X)(X)(X)(I) or (X)(X)(XI) < 1483638804 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Hello++++14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50657&oldid=50655 5* 03Hq9++fan 5* (+180) 10 < 1483638839 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no explanation for ⒈⒉⒊⒋⒌⒍⒎⒏⒐ though < 1483638841 0 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-gwonhezqgriynzly JOIN :#esoteric < 1483638844 0 :iczero!?@? NICK :wlp1s1 < 1483638913 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's also lowercase roman numerals < 1483638918 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ⅰⅱⅲⅳⅴⅵⅶⅷⅸⅹⅺⅻ < 1483639047 0 :AnxiousGarlic!~AnxiousGa@52d3d456.dynamic-ip.k-net.dk JOIN :#esoteric < 1483639051 0 :AnxiousGarlic!~AnxiousGa@52d3d456.dynamic-ip.k-net.dk PART #esoteric : < 1483639313 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07File:Code-golf.png14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50658&oldid=50656 5* 03Hq9++fan 5* (+12) 10 < 1483640006 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Unreadable14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50659&oldid=47047 5* 03Hq9++fan 5* (+19) 10there is no default MediaWiki font, it's a browser setting < 1483640197 0 :lezsakdomi!~led@540354BE.catv.pool.telekom.hu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1483640389 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:7193:dc0e:72ca:bfa8 JOIN :#esoteric < 1483640395 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Hello++++14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50660&oldid=38723 5* 03Hq9++fan 5* (+276) 10/* Possibly not qualifying */ < 1483641679 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Later < 1483642469 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:7193:dc0e:72ca:bfa8 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1483642543 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :swear I had the same idea as https://esolangs.org/wiki/Bool at one point < 1483642596 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1483643374 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :wonder if hppavilion[1] is still working on Peano < 1483643380 0 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-gwonhezqgriynzly QUIT :Excess Flood < 1483643401 0 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-pxugpjxbrhfxzcpf JOIN :#esoteric < 1483643760 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Peano Player. < 1483643867 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well, I guess I'll use a different name? < 1483643901 0 :wlp1s1!?@? NICK :DogeWithFez < 1483643909 0 :DogeWithFez!?@? NICK :wlp1s1 < 1483643910 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1483643964 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :idea: alternative-universe C. Specifically, from a universe where Konrad Zuse's Plankalkuel was the first to gain general use. < 1483643999 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zuse also built up datatypes from bits. < 1483644313 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`grwp univers < 1483644324 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :again, am I the only one who considers int-e to be a type? < 1483644338 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought he was -2 < 1483644338 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :intellectual property:Intellectual property is either the plot of land where a university campus is or otherwise a property which gives something an intellectual air or appearance. \ pikachu:Pikachu is a universal quantifier for Chu spaces. \ Binary file reflection matches \ tanebvention:Tanebventions include automatic squirrel feeders, necessity, < 1483644352 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1483644396 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e x = 3e; < 1483644427 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`perl -e 'int - exp 1' < 1483644430 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1483644438 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`perl -e 'print int - exp 1' < 1483644439 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1483644449 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`perl -e 'print int - exp(1)' < 1483644450 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1483644454 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :rrgh < 1483644466 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`perl -e 'print int(- exp(1))' < 1483644467 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1483644519 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`perl 'print int(- exp(1))' < 1483644521 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't open perl script "'print int(- exp(1))'": No such file or directory < 1483644528 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` perl -e'print int(- exp(1))' < 1483644530 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​-2 < 1483644535 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :FINALLY < 1483644541 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` perl -e'print int - exp 1' < 1483644543 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warning: Use of "int" without parentheses is ambiguous at -e line 1. \ -2 < 1483644556 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :int - e is -2 < 1483644689 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends how you round it. could be -3. < 1483644913 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so much sp-e-culation. < 1483644984 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Help, WarDoq!14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50661&oldid=43889 5* 03Hq9++fan 5* (+23) 10 < 1483645123 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is thinking som-e-thing dirty < 1483645192 0 :moonythedwarf!~moonythed@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`le/rn moon/moon is often named the following: moonythedwarf moonythehuman moonheart08 moony moon__ computing and luxon, making porthellos a real pain < 1483645194 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :All le//rn variants now use two slashes in the format. < 1483645224 0 :moonythedwarf!~moonythed@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`le//rn moon//moon is often named the following: moonythedwarf moonythehuman moonheart08 moony moon__ computing and luxon, making porthellos a real pain < 1483645232 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Relearned 'moon': moon is often named the following: moonythedwarf moonythehuman moonheart08 moony moon__ computing and luxon, making porthellos a real pain < 1483645353 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :melloo < 1483645360 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :melloon < 1483645539 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1483645660 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :wonder if someone's already took up the idea of true as a function that takes two arguments and returns the first, and false as one that returns the second < 1483645752 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1483645767 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :One name for that is Church encoding, for example. < 1483645780 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've heard that term before < 1483645805 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But I would expect that it has been reinvented a couple of times.) < 1483645836 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what I'm doing with Peano is Church encoding. < 1483646106 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( Even after its acquisition by Oracle, there's nothing new under the Sun. ) < 1483646203 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :new lawsuits hth < 1483646227 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the pun Trumps the facts. < 1483646252 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.fireflyspace.com/vehicles/firefly-a < 1483646261 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :How's Java doing these days? Are people scrambling to get off Oracle's turf? < 1483646275 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :aerospike engine! < 1483646440 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh, marketing... buzzing with superlatives < 1483646486 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The all-carbon fiber design makes the structural mass supremely light, enabling the maximum payload capacity." < 1483646505 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't carbon flammable... :P < 1483646534 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( carbon flammable? that's a new one ) < 1483646581 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :inflammable if you prefer :P < 1483646632 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But I'm mainly objecting to calling the composite carbon fiber/epoxy (typically?) composite just "carbon") < 1483646696 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The results speak for themselves." - so when was the successful test flight? < 1483646766 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.fireflyspace.com/news/ournews/full-mdc-test-success never got off the ground :-P < 1483646906 0 :nortti!~juhani@ayu.smar.moe QUIT :Quit: My microwave oven blew the fuse < 1483646918 0 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe JOIN :#esoteric < 1483646930 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/x-33/aerospik.htm is an eye sore < 1483646955 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and the links are broken) < 1483647113 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1483647218 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://irssi.org/2017/01/05/irssi-1.0.0-released/ < 1483647239 0 :ybden!ybden@unaffiliated/ybden PRIVMSG #esoteric :They finally got out of beta < 1483647242 0 :ybden!ybden@unaffiliated/ybden PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's still terrible < 1483647247 0 :ybden!ybden@unaffiliated/ybden PRIVMSG #esoteric :After all these years < 1483647285 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't wait for 2.0 < 1483647316 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. terrible? < 1483647351 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not perfect... but nothing really is. < 1483648562 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm running an irssi that I compiled myself < 1483648635 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I need to grab the new release and compile that < 1483648711 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh, those updates don't seem important < 1483648785 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm also running a tmux I compiled myself because ubuntu doesn't update their repositories in a timely manner < 1483648940 0 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION let his Machine compile v0.8.20 their(?)self too, and since 1.0.0 does not seem to be a Security-Release, i will not bother compiling that one right now < 1483649038 0 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :just in case that was not a typo, 0.8.21 is the newest security release < 1483649095 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1483649112 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hais523 < 1483649160 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wb me < 1483649250 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how long the average OSS project takes to get to 1.0 < 1483649284 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :5 years? < 1483649489 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: C-INTERCAL retroactively changed its version numbering system so that the very first development version was effectively 1.0 < 1483649526 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :come to think of it, so did Firefox, and Linux (both of which dropped the major version number and bumped the minor up to a major, which would convert 0.1 to 1.0) < 1483649573 0 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :wb ais523 < 1483649589 0 :APic!apic@apic.name TOPIC #esoteric :The international hub for Esoteric Programming | http://esolangs.org/ | RIP Carrie Fisher. She will be missed. | logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf | For extensive pizza testing, use #esoteric-blah | Celebrate Mungday < 1483649610 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are there two spaces between "Esoteric" and "Programming" < 1483649619 0 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :No Idea. < 1483649632 0 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did not change this Part of the Topic. ☺ < 1483649648 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :could be my fault < 1483649725 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(because the output of /topic has a line break after "Esoteric" here) < 1483649768 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de TOPIC #esoteric :The international hub for Esoteric Programming | http://esolangs.org/ | RIP Carrie Fisher. She will be missed. | logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf | For extensive pizza testing, use #esoteric-blah | Celebrate Mungday < 1483649771 0 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Has or had? < 1483649778 0 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION used /topic  < 1483649781 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :both. < 1483649787 0 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh oh. < 1483649807 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :APic: the line break is added by the client to fit into 80 columns < 1483649810 0 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :But only on Your Window? < 1483649813 0 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good. < 1483649889 0 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, RFC1459 only seems to describe as CR LF… so an ircd could in Theory allow CR _or_ LF inside Messages =] < 1483649901 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1483649965 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-0-88.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect in practice an ircd is likely to treat CR, CR LF, and LF as newlines. < 1483649985 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :APic: well actually CR and LF are excluded in the definition of and < 1483650044 0 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :k < 1483650064 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which doesn't contradict what you said) < 1483650118 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact since I've used IRC through netcat, I'm pretty sure LF is treated as CR LF by freenode at least :) < 1483650163 0 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :☺ < 1483650496 0 :ybden!ybden@unaffiliated/ybden PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is, but that's noncompliant < 1483650538 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :A very common extension, though. < 1483650974 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, I think it's common for all of CR, LF and CR LF to work equally well < 1483651554 0 :Tea3!2d1b50c3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.45.27.80.195 JOIN :#esoteric < 1483651652 0 :Akaibu!uid118096@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lgxsfrvuxtjpwlmc QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1483651739 0 :Tea3!2d1b50c3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.45.27.80.195 PRIVMSG #esoteric :. < 1483651931 0 :Tea3!2d1b50c3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.45.27.80.195 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1483652751 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1483652875 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is QUIT :Quit: Zarutian < 1483653950 0 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1483653998 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tonight I'll finish my ttf analysis program and figure out why I have to run my ttfs through fontforge to make them valid for eindows < 1483654125 0 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1483654393 0 :contrapumpkin!?@? NICK :copumpkin < 1483654436 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is JOIN :#esoteric < 1483655143 0 :augur!~augur@c-67-160-198-240.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1483655532 0 :augur!~augur@c-67-160-198-240.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1483656065 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :windows just doesn't like my ttfs < 1483656186 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :with that and the bdf editor i'm working on, i will be able to totally eliminate fontforge from the equation < 1483658504 0 :nycs!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1483658607 0 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable178.161-37-24.static.videotron.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1483658648 0 :moonythedwarf!~moonythed@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1483658655 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not sure what use the SDL multithreading functions are if SDL_PushEvent() is not threadsafe. So I have to use SDL_SysWMEvent instead which is a bit klugy and non-portable. < 1483658692 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1483658693 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I had the same problem a while back! I didn't find a good solution either < 1483658718 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you use any solution though? < 1483658724 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I can confirm that SDL_PushEvent() is not threadsafe, though; not only is it not documented as threadsafe, I actually managed to get it to deadlock in practice) < 1483658729 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I changed the code to use polling < 1483658735 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is a solution, but a bad one < 1483658748 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I reasoned that it wouldn't hurt that much as SDL does so much polling internally anyway < 1483658977 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I instead used SDL_SysWMEvent. However what I did is only compatible with X11, so to work on Windows too will require use of #if or #ifdef to compile different thing for Windows; and another different thing may be needed if it is wanted to worked on FreeDOS or on Linux framebuffer mode, and so on. < 1483659149 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1483659163 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1483659185 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you think that a threadsafe version of SDL_PushEvent() should be made up so that it can work? < 1483659298 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The document for threads says that event functions are not threadsafe, but that SDL_PushEvent() specifically is threadsafe within a timer callback. < 1483659381 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1483659425 0 :Akaibu!uid118096@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nejegvrwybdipnow JOIN :#esoteric < 1483659491 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1483659660 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd like an async-signal-safe version of SDL_PushEvent() < 1483659668 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but am not sure how you'd write it < 1483660155 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that is what would be help. < 1483660371 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: willing to limit yourself to architectures that have compare-and-swap instruction? < 1483660404 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zarutian: if necessary, although I'd rather use a portable wrapper