00:11:58 -!- moonythedwarf has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 00:12:27 -!- moonythedwarf has joined. 00:12:50 -!- moonythedwarf has changed nick to Guest46704. 00:14:13 @metar EFIV 00:14:14 EFIV 042350Z AUTO 22008KT 9999 -SHSN BKN020 OVC053 M24/M27 Q1021 00:14:16 Hm, no colder. 00:14:38 @metar KSEA 00:14:38 @metar EFET 00:14:38 KSEA 042353Z 03011KT 10SM CLR 02/M10 A3028 RMK AO2 SLP264 T00171100 10022 21022 53009 00:14:38 EFET 042350Z AUTO 00000KT CAVOK M34/M38 Q1022 00:14:43 Well, that's more like it. 00:15:01 Is "it" absolute 0? 00:18:15 `icao EFET 00:18:21 Enontekio (ENF, EFET) 00:25:10 That translates literally to "unclemaker". 00:26:14 that seems like a strange name for a place. 00:26:42 The etymology is probably something completely different in reality, but that's what it sounds like. 00:26:45 * oerjan gets flashback to the south park movie. 00:27:10 I did also approximate "tekiö" -> "tekijä". 00:27:26 (the first one, in case they made more) 00:27:54 aren't like "o" and "ö" completely different vowels? 00:28:00 Fun fact: Finnish disambiguates between a mother's brother (eno) and a father's brother (setä), while English calls both uncles. 00:28:20 `icao ENRO 00:28:21 boily: Yes, but airports.dat doesn't deal with non-ASCII characters. The place is actually Enontekiö. 00:28:23 Roros (RRS, ENRO) 00:28:33 figures. 00:28:39 (that's actually Røros) 00:29:01 I was going to ask if it was Rorøs. 00:29:47 no. that's a bit less likely, -os means end of river, essentially. 00:29:50 I've been to Å once. 00:30:34 i think i may have been at least twice. 00:30:53 (it's ancestor country.) 00:30:54 I think you've got more than one of them, though. 00:31:10 that too, but i don't recall being to more than one. 00:31:17 `icao ENRS 00:31:20 Røst Airport (RET, ENRS) 00:31:29 wat 00:31:30 That's got them øs. 00:31:32 Yeah, IDGI. 00:31:45 Well, it's crowdsourced data, I believe. 00:32:03 i don't _think_ i've been to Røst, it's a bit of a ferry jump or something. 00:32:16 (from Å) 00:32:52 That sounds like it's the same Å, then. 00:32:53 while Å is on the contiguous lofoten road. 00:33:24 (it wasn't yet contiguous when i grew up, i think.) 00:33:49 We took the ferry from Å (or nearabouts) to Værøya, but not to Røst. 00:35:25 fizzie: swedish also distinguishes the uncles, while norwegian doesn't. 00:35:41 (also aunts) 00:36:17 an «oncle» is an «oncle». different words are confusing hth 00:36:46 farbror and morbror aren't very confusing, it's obvious even to norwegians what they mean. 00:37:09 but we just use "onkel" ourselves. 00:37:51 and "tante", we have a bit of french borrowing there. 00:39:59 is it also /tãt/, or was it norwegianified? 00:40:49 and "nevø" and "niese", and "kusine" (female only) 00:41:13 boily: that pronunciation would be spelled tåt or something 00:41:28 swedish has tant meaning just old lady, no auntiness implied 00:42:02 oerjan: So what's a male cousin then? 00:42:41 fizzie: "fetter". although in practice we often use the gender neutral "søskenbarn". 00:42:56 "Childish" Finnish speech can use "täti" (aunt) for non-family-member old ladies as well. 00:43:21 (that one's apparently a german borrowing) 00:43:26 Finnish "serkku" is just a cousin of any gender. 00:43:50 Finnish is pretty good. 00:43:54 oh and all of these refer to _only_ second cousins no removal 00:43:58 er 00:44:00 *first 00:44:16 I should get my Finnish passport renewed but it's embarrassing to go to the consulate and not speak any Finnish. 00:44:19 Same thing. Although we've got "pikkuserkku" for a second cousin. 00:44:26 second cousins etc. are "tremenning", "firmenning", ... 00:45:31 There's a bunch of entirely obsolete Finnish words for lesser cousins that I don't know of. 00:45:33 boily: it's norwegianified. stupid wiktionary lacks the ipa. 00:45:49 but all are the "obvious" sound for norwegian. 00:46:51 oh and there's the prefix "grand-" which can be applied to onkel, tante, nevø or niese to add a level. 00:47:48 grand-oerjan 00:48:44 but _not_ to parents or children to get the english grand-, for the first the prefix is "beste-" _or_ you can simply compose "far" and "mor". 00:49:54 (and composition works for children as well.) 00:50:12 I think Swedish does the farfar/farmor/morfar/mormor thing as well. 00:50:29 Can you do more than two levels? 00:50:44 and then there's "olde-", for the level above "beste-", which works in both directions. and then you add as many "tipp-" as you want to _that_. 00:51:21 so grandfather's grandfather can be "tippoldefar". 00:52:01 to be specific, i think you need to start using genitive, like "farfars farfar" or the like. 00:52:13 *more specific 00:52:33 Finnish just repeats the same prefix, so father -> isä, grandfather -> isoisä, great-grandfather -> isoisoisä, and so on. 00:53:03 how logical. 00:53:13 iso standard 00:53:19 I don't know if "isoisoisoisä" would really be considered acceptable any more, though. 00:54:24 ("esi-isä" would be any (male) ancestor.) 00:55:57 that would be "stamfar", i guess 00:57:24 although that may sort of imply the first common ancestor of a tribe. not that norway has tribes any more, generally. 00:58:29 ("stamme" = "tribe", in some usages. (also means trunk of a tree)) 00:59:15 I was expecting something vaguely exponential, but Google says isä -> 7460000 results, isoisä -> 512000, isoisoisä -> 6050, iso^3isä -> 2570, iso^4isä -> 774, iso^5isä -> 394, iso^6isä -> 279, iso^7isä -> 10, iso^8isä -> 4, iso^9isä -> 4, iso^10isä -> 2, iso^11isä -> 2, iso^12isä -> 2, iso^13isä -> 1, iso^14isä -> 0. 01:00:03 -!- Zarutian has joined. 01:01:41 > map logBase (1/2) [7460000,512000,6050,2570,774,394,279,10,4,4,2,2,2,1] 01:01:43 -!- Lord_of_Life has quit (Excess Flood). 01:01:45 error: 01:01:45 • Couldn't match expected type ‘[Integer] -> t’ 01:01:45 with actual type ‘[a0 -> a0]’ 01:02:01 > map (logBase (1/2)) [7460000,512000,6050,2570,774,394,279,10,4,4,2,2,2,1] 01:02:06 [-22.830744199804688,-18.96578428466209,-12.56271942704932,-11.3275526440812... 01:02:09 argh 01:02:37 > map (logBase 2) [7460000,512000,6050,2570,774,394,279,10,4,4,2,2,2,1] :: [Float] 01:02:40 [22.830744,18.965784,12.562719,11.327553,9.5961895,8.622051,8.124122,3.32192... 01:02:58 -!- Lord_of_Life has joined. 01:03:55 > map ((/13).logBase 7460000) [7460000,512000,6050,2570,774,394,279,10,4,4,2,2,2,1] :: [Float] 01:03:57 [7.692308e-2,6.390096e-2,4.2327266e-2,3.816565e-2,3.233221e-2,2.9050073e-2,2... 01:04:05 *sigh* 01:04:18 oh 01:04:27 > map ((*13).logBase 7460000) [7460000,512000,6050,2570,774,394,279,10,4,4,2,2,2,1] :: [Float] 01:04:30 [13.0,10.799262,7.153308,6.449995,5.4641438,4.9094625,4.6259365,1.8915312,1.... 01:04:46 and that is why you do not use floats with fixed sized mantissa and exponent 01:05:07 what 01:05:51 imprecision at certain points a long the number line 01:06:02 s/a long/along/ 01:06:34 > concatMap (printf("%.2f ").(*(13::Float)).logBase 7460000) [7460000,512000,6050,2570,774,394,279,10,4,4,2,2,2,1] 01:06:37 error: 01:06:37 • Ambiguous type variable ‘b0’ arising from a use of ‘show_M723232078194... 01:06:37 prevents the constraint ‘(Show b0)’ from being solved. 01:06:41 ARGH 01:06:48 > concatMap (printf("%.2f ").(*(13::Float)).logBase 7460000) [7460000,512000,6050,2570,774,394,279,10,4,4,2,2,2,1] :: String 01:06:52 "13.00 10.80 7.15 6.45 5.46 4.91 4.63 1.89 1.14 1.14 0.57 0.57 0.57 0.00 " 01:07:35 ok, that is not very linear. 01:10:30 http://chart.googleapis.com/chart?cht=lc&chs=600x300&chd=t:7460000,512000,6050,2570,774,394,279,10,4,4,2,2,2,1&chds=a&chfd=0,x,0,20*log(x) 01:10:44 It took me too long to get that out. 01:11:03 fizzie: Oh, I was hoping for a fizzie-style ASCII art histogram. 01:12:23 I've been thinking of writing a script to do plotting-related activities, with sensible heuristics for input and various output formats, including "Unicode block drawing for | sprunge". 01:13:07 dwimunge 01:13:31 (hm what does sprunge mean, anyway) 01:13:47 scow prunge hth 01:13:55 scow = scientific cow 01:14:06 funny, wiktionary's only definition for that is nynorsk 01:15:05 https://nn.wikipedia.org/wiki/Det_hev_ei_rose_sprunge 01:15:53 i considered learning that one in the original german. but i found out it had more weird theology than i like. 01:16:07 (for this christmas) 01:16:22 is there an example of nonweird theology 01:16:31 in principle not 01:16:56 but one is sort of acclimatized to the usual carol stuff 01:17:43 (Es ist ein Ros entsprungen, fwiw) 01:17:59 *ein' Ros' 01:18:36 That text is weird even to me. 01:19:18 The first line invites a pun though, "Es ist ein Ross entsprungen" 01:22:44 * boily feels like he should mapole int-e, but doesn't understand German whatsoever 01:23:01 ♫ Det hev ein kvalross sprunge... ♫ 01:23:36 (i think the -ross in kvalross (walrus) may be cognate to de:Ross, but it's no longer used for horse in norwegian.) 01:23:56 int-e: what build system should i use twh 01:24:35 boily: Ros' = Rose = rose; Ross = horse (somewhat old fashioned) 01:24:44 shachaf: Lego (tm) 01:25:05 hm and en:horse is cognate as well, isn't it 01:25:30 boily: but the point is that "entspringen" is not uncommon for running away, whereas using it for plants is quite unusual. 01:26:51 shachaf: it's something that I don't think about much; for simple things I tend to write Makefiles, and I tend not to start big projects so I stick with whatever is already in place. 01:27:32 And for pure Haskell projects, cabal is still the obvious choice I think. 01:29:11 -!- sparr has quit (Changing host). 01:29:11 -!- sparr has joined. 01:31:44 int-e: In my opinion it's ridiculous that every language thinks it needs to have its own build system and packaging system and package repository and everything. 01:31:50 There's no good reason for it. 01:32:45 Haskell and Cabal/Hackage, Rust and Cargo/Crates, Python and pip/easy_install/pypi/whatever, Ruby and gems, ... 01:32:48 It's such a mess. 01:32:50 "The origin of the word walrus is thought by J.R.R. Tolkien[5] to derive from a Germanic language, and it has been attributed largely to either the Dutch language or Old Norse. Its first part is thought to derive from a word such as Dutch walvis 'whale'. Its second part has also been hypothesized to come from the Old Norse word for 'horse'.[6]" 01:33:43 Each of them has its own dependency management and all those things. 01:33:49 shachaf: agreed but apparently it's something that people enjoy doing :P 01:33:58 And obviously none of them are perfect. 01:34:01 What if you want to depend on a cross-language library, like a protobuf file? 01:34:10 You can't use any of these things effectively. 01:34:26 "From Old Norse hrosshvalr ‎(“horse-whale”)" hmm, I wonder why we inverted it... 01:34:32 hrosshvalr → valross 01:35:21 And even the general purpose build systems are a mess... make doesn't handle configuration so there's autoconf+automake; then there's cmake, something awful called conscript, and I'm sure several dozen others. 01:37:12 shachaf: anyway I see a problem but basically I see no way to solve it; all that can easily be accomplished is https://xkcd.com/927/ 01:37:25 Well, hardly anyone is even trying. 01:38:43 Almost all of these systems are low-level and not declarative. It's scow. 01:39:18 Make is declarative enough to actually get things done in a more or less modular fashion 01:40:22 And in any case it's a hard problem if you want to cover all use cases. It's very easy to cover just what you need. Hence the proliferation of half-baked systems, I think. 01:40:43 make is declarative? In what sense? 01:40:56 You write out shell commands for every target! 01:41:01 -!- Guest46704 has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 01:42:34 The dependencies are declarative. You have pattern rules to describe how to build certain subparts. Order doesn't matter much... 01:46:55 doesnt make and such systems violate the DRY principle (dont repeat yourself)? 01:49:12 well, what is it that you think you're repeating? 01:53:38 which modules depended on which submodules 01:53:53 basically the dependency graph 01:54:12 yeah a lot of effort goes into generating the obvious dependencies automatically, as a rule 02:16:42 it's a me 02:16:44 I am back 02:17:12 alercahello! 02:18:52 -!- boily has quit (Quit: DIATONIC CHICKEN). 02:25:55 au revoily I guess 02:26:14 -!- int-e has left ("MODULAR CHICKEN"). 02:26:14 -!- int-e has joined. 02:26:26 -!- Zarutian has quit (Quit: Zarutian). 02:27:52 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 02:32:29 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 02:33:36 `grwp redundan 02:34:05 dereduntantation:Dereduntantation is the process of making things less redundant. 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They made an artifact-based convoke in the new set. Brilliant! That ought to be not as broken as affinity, but it still lets you use your Darksteel Relics. 12:12:54 (M:tG) 12:18:42 b_jellonas. convoking artifacts is a little broken already. free mana for nothing, along with colourless lands... 12:20:33 nothing like being on the receiving end of an eldrazi rush. 12:29:25 -!- boily has quit (Quit: MOSS CHICKEN). 12:30:23 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 12:31:12 boily: sure, but it won't be as broken as affinity. 12:31:32 maybe it's only as broken as fast elves 13:19:13 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 13:35:47 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 14:12:29 -!- devhydraz has joined. 14:12:29 -!- devhydraz has quit (Changing host). 14:12:29 -!- devhydraz has joined. 14:15:07 -!- newsham has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 14:15:07 -!- hydraz has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 14:18:45 -!- newsham has joined. 14:34:10 -!- jix has joined. 14:38:38 [wiki] [[CodeFuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50651&oldid=50595 * BeHuman * (+391) 14:48:39 [wiki] [[CodeFuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50652&oldid=50651 * BeHuman * (+0) /* Functions examples */ 14:49:07 [wiki] [[CodeFuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50653&oldid=50652 * BeHuman * (+16) /* Operators */ 15:12:33 -!- oerjan has joined. 15:13:05 -!- `^_^v has joined. 15:17:42 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 15:27:12 -!- ais523 has joined. 15:27:32 -!- Akaibu has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity). 15:34:45 -!- otherbot has joined. 15:55:07 so many fucks 15:55:52 -!- jix has quit (Quit: Lost terminal). 16:12:39 -!- xkapastel has joined. 16:22:03 -!- Bowserinator_ has joined. 16:26:41 -!- Bowserinator_ has left. 16:46:05 -!- jix has joined. 16:47:04 -!- wlp1s1 has quit (Max SendQ exceeded). 16:54:06 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 16:56:16 yo 16:56:20 i need help with make 16:56:23 i'll never learn it 16:56:30 https://arin.ga/4M724y/raw 16:56:45 when i type make without arguments, i expect it to run the rules for memmon.so and memmon 16:56:51 but it only runs the one for memmon 16:56:54 why that? 16:57:43 -!- iczero has joined. 16:59:20 plz halp ;-; 16:59:26 make is too esoteric for me 16:59:44 izabera: make runs the first rule in the file, if given no arguments 16:59:51 WHAT 16:59:54 not all? 16:59:58 so it's usual to have the first rule be something like «all: memmon memmon.so» 17:00:16 THANK YOU 17:00:19 (if you want bulding everything to be the default) 17:01:02 where is this in the manual?! 17:01:11 please don't say something like line 3 17:01:24 9.2, second paragraph :-) 17:02:09 (that's not a joke, I have the manual open to that page right now in order to look up what the section number is) 17:02:33 thank you for your help 17:03:56 ais523: too honest to pretend you've memorized it? :P 17:04:03 make's manual is one of those things where you'll probably end up missing details whether you read it cover to cover or not 17:04:10 oerjan: that'd be amusing but not too plausilbe 17:04:12 *plausible 17:05:46 i recall reading that von neumann could recite books from memory. 17:05:55 who wants to try this memmon thing? 17:05:57 of course he wasn't a very plausible person. 17:06:11 https://github.com/izabera/memmon plz try it 17:09:34 -!- moonythedwarf has joined. 17:09:37 beep beep 17:09:49 -!- iovoid has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 17:09:56 -!- Zarutian has joined. 17:10:11 -!- iczero has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 17:10:55 -!- lezsakdomi has joined. 17:13:46 `learn The markdown flavor of the day is nutella. 17:13:59 Relearned 'markdown': The markdown flavor of the day is nutella. 17:15:18 [wiki] [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Hq9++fan * New user account 17:16:19 -!- augur has joined. 17:16:24 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 17:16:42 '? the 17:17:16 * oerjan whistles innocently 17:17:38 `? the 17:17:42 the Toe of Harriness's Enclosure 17:17:44 -!- nycs has joined. 17:18:10 :o the entry fir 'the' contains itself. 17:18:24 its recursive 17:18:38 `? recursion 17:18:40 You might expect a reference to recursion here, but to make it interesting you'll actuallSTACK OVERFLOW 17:18:45 [wiki] [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50654&oldid=50648 * Hq9++fan * (+180) /* Introductions */ 17:18:59 [wiki] [[Hello++++]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50655&oldid=38760 * Hq9++fan * (+67) categorized 17:19:34 moonythedwarf: it is likely that it was created by someone using an old version of `learn at random. 17:19:42 `cwlprits the 17:19:50 -!- `^_^v has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds). 17:20:04 oerjän hppavilion[1̈] oren̈_ oerjän Rouj̈o 17:20:45 oerjan, with you seeingly making other entrys like this, i suspected you would be involved. i was right 17:21:08 -!- LiberalCarrot has joined. 17:21:09 only technically, i suspect. 17:21:12 -!- LiberalCarrot has left. 17:21:14 `dowt the 17:21:28 3524:2013-08-29 learn The Neverending Work is what boily is going through \x16trying\x16 to map entries that are being put in at the same time. \ 3571:2013-08-29 mv wisdom/the{,\' neverending work\'} \ 5997:2015-09-15 le/rn the/the Toe of Harriness\'s Enclosure \ 6805:2016-02-10 ` echo "echo $RANDOM" 17:21:45 -!- augur has joined. 17:21:56 huh it was \oren\ and it used le/rn 17:22:09 `dowg the 17:22:18 6808:2016-02-10 undo 7476893e7fc3 \ 6805:2016-02-10 ` echo "echo $RANDOM" > wisdom/the meaning of life \ 5997:2015-09-15 le/rn the/the Toe of Harriness\'s Enclosure \ 3571:2013-08-29 mv wisdom/the{,\' neverending work\'} \ 3524:2013-08-29 learn The Neverending Work is what boily is going t 17:22:54 all i did was clean up stuff 17:23:23 `gwni taneb 17:23:40 also how can you possibly consider that to be my style, it breaks most of the rules of wisdom 17:23:45 _46bit \ algebraic geometry \ automatic squirrel feeder \ bbc \ bdsm \ bogosort \ boxmodel \ chu space \ ci \ civilization \ costume \ cumin \ curry's paradox \ deniability \ denial \ dew \ d-module \ dragon \ ehird \ eliot \ eyebrow \ facebook \ fundamental theorem of taneb \ go \ grace period \ histogram \ it \ klein bottle \ lambek's lemma \ loc 17:23:59 taneb is in ALL the things 17:24:09 `? tachyon 17:24:12 tachyon? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 17:26:47 `learn tachyon is a particle yet to be invented. Meta theorized to be a force carrier in thimotimoline molecules. 17:26:47 `learn The tachyon is rude and has no style, but gets away with it because of its speed. Taneb will invent it if he ever catches up. 17:26:50 oops 17:27:08 wow 17:27:13 same millisecond 17:27:14 Learned 'tachyon': The tachyon is rude and has no style, but gets away with it because of its speed. Taneb will invent it if he ever catches up. 17:27:17 Relearned 'tachyon': tachyon is a particle yet to be invented. Meta theorized to be a force carrier in thimotimoline molecules. 17:27:23 `revert 17:27:38 i claim priority on the principle that you misspelled thiotimoline hth 17:27:52 Done. 17:28:01 damn it! Wasnt prior enough ;-Þ 17:29:26 `` gwni taneb > tanebEntries 17:29:40 No output. 17:29:41 `paste tanebEntries 17:29:45 http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/tanebEntries 17:29:47 -!- Akaibu has joined. 17:29:56 moonythedwarf: you should pipe into paste hth 17:30:21 70 things contain taneb, and nice to know, thx 17:32:21 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 17:32:46 `` echo "Hello, World" | paste 17:32:54 http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/paste/paste.16387 17:33:03 there's also the `1 and `spam commands, of course. 17:36:42 `l doesnt exist. 17:36:44 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: l: not found 17:37:04 OKAY 17:37:19 ? why the caps 17:37:20 <\oren\> moonythedwarf: your font is inferior 17:37:32 wait 17:37:32 i'm with \oren\ 17:37:34 thats a 1 17:37:37 `1 17:37:41 1/0: 17:37:50 `1 -h 17:37:53 1/1:/hackenv/bin/`: line 4: -h: command not found 17:38:05 <\oren\> moonythedwarf: fonts that don't distinguish between 1,l,I are bad. 17:38:11 ik 17:38:21 it does shwo the diffrence (Fairly well actually) im just dumb 17:38:41 font: Monospace 9 17:38:45 anything better? 17:39:04 <\oren\> 1lI| O0 2Z 17:39:28 yup, i see the diffrence: one l I | O zero two Z 17:41:01 <\oren\> `'‘’‛′‵ 17:41:01 3З 4Ч 17:41:01 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: '‘’‛′‵: not found 17:41:26 yup, diffrence seen. except for the two 33 17:41:36 or are you tricking me 17:41:42 -!- iovoid has joined. 17:41:46 hiovoid 17:41:47 heh 17:41:50 i'm not 17:41:56 whats the diffrence? 17:41:58 <\oren\> moonythedwarf: one of them is a russian letter 17:41:59 -!- iczero has joined. 17:42:04 FFS 17:42:07 hicizero 17:42:09 <\oren\> `unicode З 17:42:16 U+0417 CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER ZE \ UTF-8: d0 97 UTF-16BE: 0417 Decimal: З \ З (з) \ Lowercase: U+0437 \ Category: Lu (Letter, Uppercase) \ Bidi: L (Left-to-Right) 17:42:43 well this font is a good-OK font then 17:42:51 just misses some spots 17:43:02 *makes his own font where everything is a '1'* 17:43:11 <\oren\> IⅠІ 17:43:36 diffrence seen, except the first and last letters are identical? *unicodes them* 17:43:53 `1 unicode IⅠІ 17:44:00 1/2:U+0049 LATIN CAPITAL LETTER I \ UTF-8: 49 UTF-16BE: 0049 Decimal: I \ I (i) \ Lowercase: U+0069 \ Category: Lu (Letter, Uppercase) \ Bidi: L (Left-to-Right) \ \ U+2160 ROMAN NUMERAL ONE \ UTF-8: e2 85 a0 UTF-16BE: 2160 Decimal: Ⅰ \ Ⅰ (ⅰ) \ Lowercase: U+2170 \ Category: Nl (Number, Letter) \ Numeric value: 1 \ Bidi: 17:44:07 `1 17:44:11 1/0: 17:44:13 oops 17:44:15 <\oren\> `spam 17:44:17 2/0: 17:44:40 -!- LiberalSquash has joined. 17:44:40 -!- LiberalSquash has left. 17:44:40 TOO LATE 17:44:40 oerjan, ? 17:44:40 `2 unicode IⅠІ 17:44:41 2/2:L (Left-to-Right) \ Decomposition: 0049 \ \ U+0406 CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER BYELORUSSIAN-UKRAINIAN I \ UTF-8: d0 86 UTF-16BE: 0406 Decimal: І \ І (і) \ Lowercase: U+0456 \ Category: Lu (Letter, Uppercase) \ Bidi: L (Left-to-Right) \ 17:45:04 moonythedwarf: `1 always uses a new command. you want `spam (which can also be abbreviated `n) 17:45:16 <\oren\> my font is the master font 17:45:39 oh hey there is a tiny diffrence (few pixels are shaded on the cyrillic I) 17:45:45 \oren\, font download? :P 17:45:56 or its name? 17:45:58 <\oren\> http://www.orenwatson.be/neoletters.ttf 17:45:59 fortunately, `2 is nice for when you forget. 17:46:07 <\oren\> http://www.orenwatson.be/fontdemo.htm 17:46:13 <\oren\> (demo page) 17:46:20 oh that one 17:46:30 *downloads (i've seen it before) 17:46:54 what foldr do fonts go to on ubuntu linux 17:47:31 <\oren\> /usr/share/fonts I think 17:47:53 [wiki] [[Special:Log/upload]] upload * Hq9++fan * uploaded "[[File:Code-golf.png]]" 17:48:15 <\oren\> no link? 17:48:37 a separate roman numeral 1? YOU GO TOO FAR 17:49:36 <\oren\> oerjan: it has to be different so that the upper and lower bar connects to adjoining numerals 17:49:43 oh 17:50:53 <\oren\> ⅩⅩⅩⅠ 17:51:30 <\oren\> you could also use the Ⅺ and Ⅻ characters though 17:51:43 -!- Lord_of_Life has quit (Excess Flood). 17:52:04 i can't actually see any of them 17:52:31 <\oren\> oerjan: well, I mean unicode has characters for roman numbers 11 and 12 17:52:40 heh 17:53:09 <\oren\> meaning that you could do (X)(X)(X)(I) or (X)(X)(XI) 17:53:24 [wiki] [[Hello++++]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50657&oldid=50655 * Hq9++fan * (+180) 17:53:59 <\oren\> I have no explanation for ⒈⒉⒊⒋⒌⒍⒎⒏⒐ though 17:54:01 -!- Lord_of_Life has joined. 17:54:04 -!- iczero has changed nick to wlp1s1. 17:55:13 <\oren\> there's also lowercase roman numerals 17:55:18 <\oren\> ⅰⅱⅲⅳⅴⅵⅶⅷⅸⅹⅺⅻ 17:57:27 -!- AnxiousGarlic has joined. 17:57:31 -!- AnxiousGarlic has left. 18:01:53 [wiki] [[File:Code-golf.png]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50658&oldid=50656 * Hq9++fan * (+12) 18:13:26 [wiki] [[Unreadable]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50659&oldid=47047 * Hq9++fan * (+19) there is no default MediaWiki font, it's a browser setting 18:16:37 -!- lezsakdomi has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 18:19:49 -!- LKoen has joined. 18:19:55 [wiki] [[Talk:Hello++++]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50660&oldid=38723 * Hq9++fan * (+276) /* Possibly not qualifying */ 18:41:19 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: Later). 18:54:29 -!- LKoen has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 18:55:43 swear I had the same idea as https://esolangs.org/wiki/Bool at one point 18:56:36 -!- LKoen has joined. 19:09:34 wonder if hppavilion[1] is still working on Peano 19:09:40 -!- Lord_of_Life has quit (Excess Flood). 19:10:01 -!- Lord_of_Life has joined. 19:16:00 The Peano Player. 19:17:47 oh well, I guess I'll use a different name? 19:18:21 -!- wlp1s1 has changed nick to DogeWithFez. 19:18:29 -!- DogeWithFez has changed nick to wlp1s1. 19:18:30 -!- LKoen has quit (Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.”). 19:19:24 <\oren\> idea: alternative-universe C. Specifically, from a universe where Konrad Zuse's Plankalkuel was the first to gain general use. 19:19:59 Zuse also built up datatypes from bits. 19:25:13 <\oren\> `grwp univers 19:25:24 again, am I the only one who considers int-e to be a type? 19:25:38 <\oren\> I thought he was -2 19:25:38 intellectual property:Intellectual property is either the plot of land where a university campus is or otherwise a property which gives something an intellectual air or appearance. \ pikachu:Pikachu is a universal quantifier for Chu spaces. \ Binary file reflection matches \ tanebvention:Tanebventions include automatic squirrel feeders, necessity, 19:25:52 -!- DHeadshot has joined. 19:26:36 int-e x = 3e; 19:27:07 <\oren\> `perl -e 'int - exp 1' 19:27:10 No output. 19:27:18 <\oren\> `perl -e 'print int - exp 1' 19:27:19 No output. 19:27:29 <\oren\> `perl -e 'print int - exp(1)' 19:27:30 No output. 19:27:34 <\oren\> rrgh 19:27:46 <\oren\> `perl -e 'print int(- exp(1))' 19:27:47 No output. 19:28:39 <\oren\> `perl 'print int(- exp(1))' 19:28:41 Can't open perl script "'print int(- exp(1))'": No such file or directory 19:28:48 <\oren\> `` perl -e'print int(- exp(1))' 19:28:50 ​-2 19:28:55 <\oren\> FINALLY 19:29:01 <\oren\> `` perl -e'print int - exp 1' 19:29:03 Warning: Use of "int" without parentheses is ambiguous at -e line 1. \ -2 19:29:16 <\oren\> int - e is -2 19:31:29 depends how you round it. could be -3. 19:35:13 so much sp-e-culation. 19:36:24 [wiki] [[Help, WarDoq!]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50661&oldid=43889 * Hq9++fan * (+23) 19:38:43 * rdococ is thinking som-e-thing dirty 19:39:52 `le/rn moon/moon is often named the following: moonythedwarf moonythehuman moonheart08 moony moon__ computing and luxon, making porthellos a real pain 19:39:54 All le//rn variants now use two slashes in the format. 19:40:24 `le//rn moon//moon is often named the following: moonythedwarf moonythehuman moonheart08 moony moon__ computing and luxon, making porthellos a real pain 19:40:32 Relearned 'moon': moon is often named the following: moonythedwarf moonythehuman moonheart08 moony moon__ computing and luxon, making porthellos a real pain 19:42:33 melloo 19:42:40 melloon 19:45:39 -!- ais523 has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 19:47:40 wonder if someone's already took up the idea of true as a function that takes two arguments and returns the first, and false as one that returns the second 19:49:12 yes 19:49:27 One name for that is Church encoding, for example. 19:49:40 I've heard that term before 19:50:05 (But I would expect that it has been reinvented a couple of times.) 19:50:36 so what I'm doing with Peano is Church encoding. 19:55:06 . o O ( Even after its acquisition by Oracle, there's nothing new under the Sun. ) 19:56:43 new lawsuits hth 19:57:07 I think the pun Trumps the facts. 19:57:32 <\oren\> http://www.fireflyspace.com/vehicles/firefly-a 19:57:41 How's Java doing these days? Are people scrambling to get off Oracle's turf? 19:57:55 <\oren\> aerospike engine! 20:00:40 meh, marketing... buzzing with superlatives 20:01:26 "The all-carbon fiber design makes the structural mass supremely light, enabling the maximum payload capacity." 20:01:45 Isn't carbon flammable... :P 20:02:14 . o O ( carbon flammable? that's a new one ) 20:03:01 inflammable if you prefer :P 20:03:52 (But I'm mainly objecting to calling the composite carbon fiber/epoxy (typically?) composite just "carbon") 20:04:56 "The results speak for themselves." - so when was the successful test flight? 20:06:06 http://www.fireflyspace.com/news/ournews/full-mdc-test-success never got off the ground :-P 20:08:26 -!- nortti has quit (Quit: My microwave oven blew the fuse). 20:08:38 -!- nortti has joined. 20:08:50 wow, http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/x-33/aerospik.htm is an eye sore 20:09:15 (and the links are broken) 20:11:53 -!- DHeadshot has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 20:13:38 https://irssi.org/2017/01/05/irssi-1.0.0-released/ 20:13:59 They finally got out of beta 20:14:02 And it's still terrible 20:14:07 After all these years 20:14:45 can't wait for 2.0 20:15:16 hmm. terrible? 20:15:51 it's not perfect... but nothing really is. 20:36:02 <\oren\> I'm running an irssi that I compiled myself 20:37:15 <\oren\> I guess I need to grab the new release and compile that 20:38:31 <\oren\> meh, those updates don't seem important 20:39:45 <\oren\> I'm also running a tmux I compiled myself because ubuntu doesn't update their repositories in a timely manner 20:42:20 * APic let his Machine compile v0.8.20 their(?)self too, and since 1.0.0 does not seem to be a Security-Release, i will not bother compiling that one right now 20:43:58 just in case that was not a typo, 0.8.21 is the newest security release 20:44:55 -!- ais523 has joined. 20:45:12 <\oren\> hais523 20:46:00 wb me 20:47:30 <\oren\> I wonder how long the average OSS project takes to get to 1.0 20:48:04 <\oren\> 5 years? 20:51:29 \oren\: C-INTERCAL retroactively changed its version numbering system so that the very first development version was effectively 1.0 20:52:06 come to think of it, so did Firefox, and Linux (both of which dropped the major version number and bumped the minor up to a major, which would convert 0.1 to 1.0) 20:52:53 wb ais523 20:53:09 -!- APic has set topic: The international hub for Esoteric Programming | http://esolangs.org/ | RIP Carrie Fisher. She will be missed. | logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf | For extensive pizza testing, use #esoteric-blah | Celebrate Mungday. 20:53:30 why are there two spaces between "Esoteric" and "Programming" 20:53:39 No Idea. 20:53:52 I did not change this Part of the Topic. ☺ 20:54:08 could be my fault 20:55:25 (because the output of /topic has a line break after "Esoteric" here) 20:56:08 -!- int-e has set topic: The international hub for Esoteric Programming | http://esolangs.org/ | RIP Carrie Fisher. She will be missed. | logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf | For extensive pizza testing, use #esoteric-blah | Celebrate Mungday. 20:56:11 Has or had? 20:56:18 * APic used /topic 20:56:21 both. 20:56:27 Uh oh. 20:56:47 APic: the line break is added by the client to fit into 80 columns 20:56:50 But only on Your Window? 20:56:53 Good. 20:58:09 Well, RFC1459 only seems to describe as CR LF… so an ircd could in Theory allow CR _or_ LF inside Messages =] 20:58:21 ... 20:59:25 I suspect in practice an ircd is likely to treat CR, CR LF, and LF as newlines. 20:59:45 APic: well actually CR and LF are excluded in the definition of and 21:00:44 k 21:01:04 (which doesn't contradict what you said) 21:01:58 in fact since I've used IRC through netcat, I'm pretty sure LF is treated as CR LF by freenode at least :) 21:02:43 ☺ 21:08:16 It is, but that's noncompliant 21:08:58 A very common extension, though. 21:16:14 Right, I think it's common for all of CR, LF and CR LF to work equally well 21:25:54 -!- Tea3 has joined. 21:27:32 -!- Akaibu has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity). 21:28:59 . 21:32:11 -!- Tea3 has quit (Quit: Page closed). 21:45:51 -!- zzo38 has joined. 21:47:55 -!- Zarutian has quit (Quit: Zarutian). 22:05:50 -!- contrapumpkin has joined. 22:06:38 <\oren\> Tonight I'll finish my ttf analysis program and figure out why I have to run my ttfs through fontforge to make them valid for eindows 22:08:45 -!- copumpkin has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 22:13:13 -!- contrapumpkin has changed nick to copumpkin. 22:13:56 -!- Zarutian has joined. 22:25:43 -!- augur has joined. 22:32:12 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 22:41:05 <\oren\> windows just doesn't like my ttfs 22:43:06 <\oren\> with that and the bdf editor i'm working on, i will be able to totally eliminate fontforge from the equation 23:21:44 -!- nycs has quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep). 23:23:27 -!- boily has joined. 23:24:08 -!- moonythedwarf has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 23:24:15 I am not sure what use the SDL multithreading functions are if SDL_PushEvent() is not threadsafe. So I have to use SDL_SysWMEvent instead which is a bit klugy and non-portable. 23:24:52 -!- DHeadshot has joined. 23:24:53 zzo38: I had the same problem a while back! I didn't find a good solution either 23:25:18 Did you use any solution though? 23:25:24 (I can confirm that SDL_PushEvent() is not threadsafe, though; not only is it not documented as threadsafe, I actually managed to get it to deadlock in practice) 23:25:29 I changed the code to use polling 23:25:35 which is a solution, but a bad one 23:25:48 I reasoned that it wouldn't hurt that much as SDL does so much polling internally anyway 23:29:37 I instead used SDL_SysWMEvent. However what I did is only compatible with X11, so to work on Windows too will require use of #if or #ifdef to compile different thing for Windows; and another different thing may be needed if it is wanted to worked on FreeDOS or on Linux framebuffer mode, and so on. 23:32:29 -!- DHeadshot has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 23:32:43 -!- augur has joined. 23:33:05 Do you think that a threadsafe version of SDL_PushEvent() should be made up so that it can work? 23:34:58 The document for threads says that event functions are not threadsafe, but that SDL_PushEvent() specifically is threadsafe within a timer callback. 23:36:21 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 23:37:05 -!- Akaibu has joined. 23:38:11 -!- augur has joined. 23:41:00 I'd like an async-signal-safe version of SDL_PushEvent() 23:41:08 but am not sure how you'd write it 23:49:15 Yes, that is what would be help. 23:52:51 ais523: willing to limit yourself to architectures that have compare-and-swap instruction? 23:53:24 Zarutian: if necessary, although I'd rather use a portable wrapper