< 1485994011 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1485995268 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1485995295 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is JOIN :#esoteric < 1485995350 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1485995882 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1485996646 0 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1485997368 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'd also like to put in a banner since the wgReadOnly setting is pretty subtle, but looks like the simple ways to do that would involve extensions, and I don't want to start fiddling with the templates.) < 1485998008 0 :paul2520!~paul2520@unaffiliated/paul2520 QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 1.2 < 1485998024 0 :paul2520!~paul2520@unaffiliated/paul2520 JOIN :#esoteric < 1485998291 0 :paul2520!~paul2520@unaffiliated/paul2520 QUIT :Client Quit < 1485998314 0 :paul2520!~paul2520@paulkaefer.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1485998314 0 :paul2520!~paul2520@paulkaefer.com QUIT :Changing host < 1485998314 0 :paul2520!~paul2520@unaffiliated/paul2520 JOIN :#esoteric < 1485998727 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1485999288 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1485999298 0 :krok_!~krok@static-50-53-174-215.bvtn.or.frontiernet.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1486000332 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486000553 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486000699 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1486000724 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIEUGURGHGHGHRGHRGHGHGHRGHH! < 1486000776 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :We've been over this. < 1486000797 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizziello? over what? < 1486000837 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:12 Not really much I can do about it :) < 1486000837 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:13 Yeah. You can create a ticket and wait while CaC totally ignores it. < 1486000840 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:14 Yup. < 1486000847 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Over that. < 1486000882 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION feels like a junkie without his daily fix < 1486000889 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION twitches < 1486000916 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't you have that PDF? < 1486000934 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should print it out, then you can throw darts at it to pick one. < 1486001018 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :going to print it, bind it, and mail it to whomever that wants to have a dead tree copy. < 1486001565 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is QUIT :Quit: Zarutian < 1486001785 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486002068 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavellon[1]. you're rebracketed! < 1486003007 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloily. go to bed! < 1486003021 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quinthellopia. going to bed! < 1486003025 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll fix you daily < 1486003031 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: JELLYBEAN CHICKEN < 1486003793 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1486004770 0 :kiki`!uid170954@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zxgaccpxgjezloxc QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1486004858 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486006638 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e4354b.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486007021 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1486009072 0 :kiki`!uid170954@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lelgylgxefdlhcks JOIN :#esoteric < 1486009878 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1486011641 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e4354b.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1486011788 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.149 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1486012426 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1486013527 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486013807 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1486015657 0 :Akaibu!uid118096@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vprrxqheeysqlepq QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1486015979 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@fr1.ut.deewiant.iki.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1486015979 0 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-178-004-076-070.178.004.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1486016767 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@fr1.ut.deewiant.iki.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1486016814 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1486020719 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486020968 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1486021052 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486022712 0 :augur!~augur@2601:640:8001:4222:6891:f01a:5538:cb6b JOIN :#esoteric < 1486022983 0 :augur!~augur@2601:640:8001:4222:6891:f01a:5538:cb6b QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1486024385 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486024631 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1486027781 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ping < 1486029879 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1486030473 0 :augur!~augur@2601:640:8001:4222:6891:f01a:5538:cb6b JOIN :#esoteric < 1486030758 0 :augur!~augur@2601:640:8001:4222:6891:f01a:5538:cb6b QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1486031181 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc104862-sgyl39-2-0-cust65.18-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486031181 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc104862-sgyl39-2-0-cust65.18-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Changing host < 1486031181 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1486031663 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486031946 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1486032522 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1486033633 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, a familiar name: http://thedailywtf.com/images/17/q1/e244/Pic-4.png < 1486035306 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486035401 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bohily < 1486035524 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellørjan! < 1486035584 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloerjoily < 1486035645 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdochelloc! < 1486035831 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdocociao < 1486035923 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me share with you the pride of my town http://www.rionesanpaolo-asti.it/IMMAGINIFOTO/varie/territorio/campo%20del%20palio/campodelpalio%20(2).JPG < 1486035945 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :a penis shaped building built in the 1920s or 30s < 1486035966 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's meant to represent virility and such < 1486036002 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabellora. that is one ugly building. < 1486036013 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :ikr < 1486036096 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's do a tower comparison. Here's the one in the town my parents are from: http://esukki.mbnet.fi/images/vesitor.jpg < 1486036212 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yours is mushroomy hth < 1486036240 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :tdh < 1486036401 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's a water tower that used to be at my uni: https://www.york.ac.uk/media/chemistry/archivephotos/watertower/watertower1.jpg < 1486036401 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's probably the thing that is most like a tower in my hometown: https://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-s/06/98/24/ee/observatoire-de-la-capitale.jpg < 1486036468 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tanelle. concrete https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socotra#/media/File:Socotra_dragon_tree.JPG ? < 1486036489 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily, it was known as "the mushroom" < 1486036540 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a very concrete mushroom. < 1486036576 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was built in the 60s when times were simple and everything was concrete < 1486036693 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a ufo-shaped one in Espoo. < 1486036713 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://s114.photobucket.com/user/Janne_H_2006/media/haikaranpesa.jpg.html < 1486036718 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a restaurant up top. < 1486036780 0 :Alfie275!~alfie275@labcoat.xyz JOIN :#esoteric < 1486036806 0 :Alfie275!~alfie275@labcoat.xyz PRIVMSG #esoteric :`tanebventions < 1486036827 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alfie275, the bot is missing < 1486036833 0 :Alfie275!~alfie275@labcoat.xyz PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1486036840 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: nice. < 1486036937 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alfiello275, b_jellonas. < 1486037043 0 :staffehn!~quassel@2001:41d0:52:d00::1d3 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1486037109 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486037147 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know of a penis-shaped building here, but there's a maize ear shaped one: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Kis-Sv%C3%A1b_Hill_Protection_Area._View_to_Hotel_Budapest._-_Budapest.JPG < 1486037206 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yummy, with those thousand corn seeds, you could just bite in it if you were a giant < 1486037316 0 :staffehn!~quassel@staffehn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1486037376 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1486037500 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1486037505 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1486037517 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION faceheaddesks < 1486037858 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, speaking of vegetables, of course here in London we've got the http://londontopia.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/The-Gherkin_safra-group.jpg < 1486038053 0 :GReaperEx!5e456688@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.69.102.136 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486038555 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: COVER CHICKEN < 1486038640 0 :GReaperEx!5e456688@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.69.102.136 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there any cool Brainloller images out there? Like, the image should look like something, instead of just random noise. < 1486039130 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somehow I feel that it's more likely you'd find Piet programs instead. < 1486039238 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i made a comment on that /r/esolangs post. < 1486039280 0 :GReaperEx!5e456688@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.69.102.136 PRIVMSG #esoteric :piet you say?... hmm < 1486039305 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: That was well done. < 1486039321 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, thanks < 1486039339 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :GReaperEx: Granted, a lot of Piet programs are random noise as well. But there's some stuff, like the sample hello-world: http://www.dangermouse.net/esoteric/piet/hw6_big.png < 1486039379 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was also a Facebook recruiting ad puzzle thing in Piet, done in the shape of their 'f' logo. < 1486039400 0 :GReaperEx!5e456688@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.69.102.136 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that's cool! < 1486039448 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the pi calculator is very nice as well. < 1486039463 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.dangermouse.net/esoteric/piet/samples.html has all the "official" samples. < 1486039476 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Look for a big red thing.) < 1486039503 0 :GReaperEx!5e456688@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.69.102.136 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess any image could be created really, as long as you don't use the specific colors that translate to instructions. The interpreter should ignore anything else, right? < 1486039540 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Piet doesn't define what colors except the 20 specific ones do. < 1486039550 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Additional colours (such as orange, brown) may be used, though their effect is implementation-dependent. In the simplest case, non-standard colours are treated by the language interpreter as the same as white, so may be used freely wherever white is used. (Another possibility is that they are treated the same as black.)" < 1486039565 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it's a bit risky business. < 1486039581 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Later < 1486039583 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know about Brainloller, DNS for esolangs.org hasn't updated for me at work. :/ < 1486039610 0 :GReaperEx!5e456688@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.69.102.136 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh I see, implementation-defined and such. < 1486039619 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you're talking about an image of appreciable size, though, it's probably pretty easy to just arrange matters so that execution doesn't pass through the extra colors. < 1486039641 0 :GReaperEx!5e456688@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.69.102.136 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that could be done too. < 1486039642 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example, there's this: http://www.mezzacotta.net/garfield/?comic=559 < 1486039674 0 :GReaperEx!5e456688@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.69.102.136 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice, pretty clever. < 1486039732 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did that pretty much by tweaking the noise left over (after palette conversion) a little bit. < 1486040757 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486041011 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1486042695 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486043294 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486043995 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1486044938 0 :augur!~augur@2601:640:8001:4222:6891:f01a:5538:cb6b JOIN :#esoteric < 1486045203 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :where's zzo38? < 1486045230 0 :augur!~augur@2601:640:8001:4222:6891:f01a:5538:cb6b QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1486045231 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Canada I think < 1486045857 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ping < 1486045967 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo is also at Canada < 1486046069 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hugs fizzie platonically < 1486046106 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I have wiki!) < 1486046819 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486047243 0 :augur!~augur@2601:640:8001:4222:6891:f01a:5538:cb6b JOIN :#esoteric < 1486047251 0 :augur!~augur@2601:640:8001:4222:6891:f01a:5538:cb6b QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1486047643 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486047851 0 :augur!~augur@2601:640:8001:4222:6891:f01a:5538:cb6b JOIN :#esoteric < 1486047884 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1486047888 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1486047888 0 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486049706 0 :MoALTz!~no@77-254-9-16.adsl.inetia.pl QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1486049759 0 :bibibi!~bibibi@unaffiliated/bibibi JOIN :#esoteric < 1486050197 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1486050751 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH FOR THE LOVE OF < 1486050777 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is there so much issues with the command line arguments ength limit < 1486050900 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: the 2 megabyte linux one, the 32k windows one, or the 127 byte DOS one? < 1486050962 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the 127 byte DOS one is funny, because file paths can be up to 80 bytes long < 1486050977 0 :callforjudgement!?@? NICK :ais523 < 1486051901 0 :GReaperEx!5e456688@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.69.102.136 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1486051987 0 :Mecha_Magpie!~user@217-210-63-95-no39.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1486052073 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: the 2 megabyte linux one < 1486052102 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: by issues, do you mean it causes issues by existing, or that it's badly implemented? < 1486052364 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I mean that our command lines keep exceeding it < 1486052379 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and we have to rework things so they don't < 1486052409 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume you're passing data via the command line which is more commonly passed in files? < 1486052442 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :many DOS programs had a convention that @ followed by a filename would treat the entire contents of the file as command line options < 1486052561 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's a list of files. but it got too many < 1486052581 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so how many files is 2MB of filenames? < 1486052598 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a lot < 1486052669 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're of the form /projects/Codename/Lyoko/SomeStupidClassName.{cpp,h,xx,yy,zzzzz.xx} < 1486052692 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting extensions < 1486052758 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :we use a lot of various stupid extentions for internal lanuages < 1486052826 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yes, plural. there are at least 3 languages used only at this company and nowhere else) < 1486052870 0 :Mecha_Ma`!~user@217-210-63-95-no39.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1486052887 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :to say othing of the .generated.cpp and etc file < 1486052899 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the .generated.2.cpp < 1486052968 0 :Mecha_Magpie!~user@217-210-63-95-no39.tbcn.telia.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1486052972 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and how do they all end up on the same command line? < 1486052985 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the build system doesn't properly detect when these .generated files need to be regenerated, so before a build be have to delete tham < 1486053039 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: by shell scripts passing them into other shell scripts < 1486053075 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( why not use make... make isn't perfect but it's almost certainly better than that) < 1486053077 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or into scripts written in an internal scripting language) < 1486053466 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :where the script interpreter has a slow interpreter that spends a long time parsing things < 1486054031 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: if it's three languages, then two unsual extensions xx and zzzzz.xx isn't that many < 1486054051 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yy is the extension for yacc files that contain c++ code of course, it's not unusual < 1486054088 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: those are just paceholders for the actual extensions < 1486054151 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait hold on Salmon is open source anyway < 1486054158 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf am i talking about < 1486054183 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the extentions are .salm, .jt.se, .comspec.se and .se < 1486054198 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? asdklfaskldfa < 1486054230 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1486054237 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :where's the fucking bot -.- < 1486054250 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: not dead, just pinin' the fjords < 1486054277 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: dead until cloud at cocks fixes it < 1486054366 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :it took them 3 weeks to reply to my last ticket < 1486054382 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zemhill: help < 1486054397 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it has underscores? < 1486054400 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zemhill__: help < 1486054407 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if it responds to its name anyway < 1486054417 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^help < 1486054417 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ ; ^def ; ^show [command]; lang=bf/ul, code=text/str:N; ^str 0-9 get/set/add [text]; ^style [style]; ^bool < 1486054425 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, we have at least one working bot, at least < 1486054448 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should have my bot have an alternative prefix that is in ascii < 1486054448 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ 2 < 1486054449 0 :ffj-bot!eldis4@firefly.xen.prgmr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: 2 < 1486054450 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :two < 1486054479 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :> reverse"eerht" < 1486054481 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : "three" < 1486054486 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe ## as an alternative to ❄ < 1486054529 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :^prefixes < 1486054529 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEgo `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ?, thutubot +, metasepia ~, idris-bot ( , jconn ) , j-bot [ . < 1486054587 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the tunes.org logbot is working too < 1486054589 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe something cool like }|{ < 1486054645 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: couldn't it just listen to its nick as a prefix? < 1486054667 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ffj-bot: 'I listen to my nick' < 1486054668 0 :ffj-bot!eldis4@firefly.xen.prgmr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I listen to my nick < 1486054802 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ffj-bot: 1 2 3 4 5 +/ < 1486054802 0 :ffj-bot!eldis4@firefly.xen.prgmr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: |syntax error < 1486054802 0 :ffj-bot!eldis4@firefly.xen.prgmr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: | 1 2 3 4 5+/ < 1486054805 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1486054835 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so easy to get the various APL-alikes confused < 1486054846 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: not sure how to get my own nick in irssi scripts < 1486054848 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: in whta apl-alike does that work? < 1486054861 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ +/ 1 2 3 4 5 < 1486054862 0 :ffj-bot!eldis4@firefly.xen.prgmr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: 15 < 1486054867 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure, but I thought there was one where "1 2 3 4 5" was a list constructor < 1486054872 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486054875 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it is in most < 1486054883 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I got the evaluation order wrong < 1486054912 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm used to Jelly, where you have to start with a constant < 1486054925 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then the rest of the program is a function that takes the constant as input < 1486054935 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is that the stack consists of a noun followed by a verb with nothing before, which is not allowed by the grammar < 1486054945 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1486055008 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, 1 2 3 4 5 is a list constructor in almost any apl-like, but (1 2) (3 4) is different: in some classical APLs it constructs a list of lists or something, in J it's a syntax error, in K I think it constructs a single flat list but I'm not sure < 1486055147 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1486055340 0 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-ybvqzyphjldhmdfp QUIT :Excess Flood < 1486055354 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: ping < 1486055360 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\:ping < 1486055377 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAA < 1486055435 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Jelly's list syntax is [1,2,3,4,5], but literal lists are pretty rare < 1486055473 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\:ping < 1486055473 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :☃ pong < 1486055475 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: ping < 1486055475 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :☃ nonextant cmd. < 1486055480 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :RRGH < 1486055489 0 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-fboyxgnwpckkonzc JOIN :#esoteric < 1486055557 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: ping < 1486055557 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :☃ pong < 1486055567 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there we go < 1486057058 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok now to test < 1486057076 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :❄bf +[] < 1486057179 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :❄bf +[] < 1486057182 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :☃ < 1486057423 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :❄bf +[] < 1486057423 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :☃ < 1486057428 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there < 1486057508 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :❄bf ++++++[->++++++<]>...[] < 1486057508 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :☃ < 1486057551 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :❄bf +++++++[->+++++++<]>...[] < 1486057551 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :☃ < 1486057563 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm... < 1486057761 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :❄bf ++++++[->++++++<]>...[] < 1486057761 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :☃ < 1486058192 0 :augur!~augur@2601:640:8001:4222:6891:f01a:5538:cb6b QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1486058219 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :❄bf ++++++[->++++++<]>...[] < 1486058219 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :☃ < 1486058271 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1486058506 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486058555 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-83.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1486058783 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1486059229 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot is a working bot. < 1486059229 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i was talking about a 4k ( which excludes my possible participation), i'm kinda new here. < 1486059300 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell ais523 Something about the IRC bot Ruby framework zemhill is using causes it to collect underscores. < 1486059300 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1486059360 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help < 1486059361 0 :zemhill__!bfjoust@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I do !zjoust; see http://zem.fi/bfjoust/ for more information. < 1486059383 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell And rather confusingly, it answers to !help with the help message. < 1486059384 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1486059387 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486059388 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoops. < 1486059393 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell ais523 And rather confusingly, it answers to !help with the help message. < 1486059393 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1486059406 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how many messages "and" has. < 1486059415 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :And/or if they're on any channels lambdabot is. < 1486059448 0 :and!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1486059452 0 :and!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1486059461 0 :and!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages-loud < 1486059461 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie said 1m 17s ago: rather confusingly, it answers to !help with the help message. < 1486059471 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :underwhelming tdnh < 1486059475 0 :and!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1486059494 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: the answer is, none. < 1486059590 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is weird, hmm < 1486059638 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's weird? < 1486059708 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, you emptied the bucket. < 1486059714 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :never mind. < 1486059744 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :It wasn't a big bucket. < 1486059753 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd call that a teacup, maybe. < 1486059760 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought you were making a joke when you said none. < 1486059783 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do they drink tea in London? < 1486059819 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are messages to , , , and though... that won't work very well. < 1486059843 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot was patched to allow @tell nick: instead of @tell nick < 1486059859 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose it ought to allow @tell too. < 1486059926 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :even "I" has only a single message < 1486060066 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i,i I, for one, like roman numerals < 1486060089 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :... punny < 1486060177 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486060185 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not a funpun, though. I read it on the Internet somewhere. < 1486060227 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486060257 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I think they do. < 1486060278 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: https://www.flickr.com/photos/fizzief/31751878454/ < 1486060284 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That's in London.) < 1486060315 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is London more expensive to live in than San Francisco? < 1486060339 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think there's a scalar answer to that. < 1486060397 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You were buying real estate in London the other day, weren't you? < 1486060435 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nnnot really, I just look at what's available occasionally. < 1486060442 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe later. < 1486060483 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you think buying real estate in the bay area is a good idea? < 1486060509 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depends. Do you think California will become an independent country, and if so, will there be war? < 1486060520 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hear you're (/they're) talking that sort of talks. < 1486060523 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-40-190.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect living in the urban area of London is cheaper than in the urban area of SF, but living in the central region of London most analogous to SF proper probably is comparable. < 1486060567 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-40-190.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the cost of living in the Bay Area doesn't go down *that* much outside of SF, and transportation gets pretty hard the further you are from your work there.) < 1486060591 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a fair bit lower around here, I think. < 1486060618 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-40-190.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... While in London, at least you have transport options meaning you can quite sanely live in a cheaper part of the region. < 1486060629 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Except when they're on strike. < 1486060640 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(There's a tube strike coming from Sunday to Wednesday.) < 1486060682 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not 24 hours like usual. < 1486060719 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, can you tell I'm all frazzled about it? < 1486060769 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :first May, then Trump, now this... the world is truly coming to an end < 1486060838 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and of course there's the sudden decline of CaC quality of service! < 1486061352 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I toyed about the idea of running it on Google Cloud Platform, but turns out it doesn't support "individual" account types in the EU area, for VAT reasons. < 1486061362 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Where it == the wiki.) < 1486061492 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :good thing y'all scrapped the EU area hth < 1486061544 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If the sole purpose for which you want to use Google Cloud Platform services has no potential economic benefit you should discontinue your use of the service. Learn how to disable billing on your projects." < 1486061617 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :economic benefit... to whom?! < 1486061666 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could be a "business", but then I believe I would have to pay VAT myself. < 1486061688 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, you would < 1486061694 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :next will be Geert Wilders, then Marine Le Pen < 1486061703 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :We have a Googler-internal coupon thing for some credits that should be sufficient, but I don't know how that interacts with tax. < 1486061720 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also not sure if I can even redeem that coupon with a non-"Individual" account type. < 1486061735 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :afaiu the thing about VAT in the EU is that companies have to pay VAT in the customer's country of origin (and VAT rates differ between countries too) < 1486061782 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but nonetheless the sentence that shachaf quoted strikes me as odd. < 1486061791 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's so unspecific < 1486061803 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it comes after several other sentences. < 1486061806 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's my understanding as well. And Russia changed their rules the same way, which means Google Cloud did the same thing for Russia. (Saw the thing shachaf quoted sent also for them.) < 1486061862 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: oh this comes after a specific list of uses that they're actually interested in? that would make sense < 1486061865 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I "pay" with a coupon, would I be liable for tax? I have absolutely no intuition (the best way to figure out taxation) about this. < 1486061886 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: It wasn't *that* specific. < 1486061893 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: https://support.google.com/cloud/answer/6090602 < 1486061912 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: While you're figuring out taxation, can you help me with the US tax code? < 1486061926 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What constitutes "substantially identical" securities for the wash sale rule? < 1486061950 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Levenshtein distance of less than three hth < 1486061954 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(This is less relevant nowadays since all my securities' prices have gone up.) < 1486062348 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, "Most software developers -- including affiliates, sole traders, self-employed merchants, partnerships, students and others -- use Google Cloud Platform for business purposes." really rings false to me. < 1486062395 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(students, really? and there are plenty of hobbyists, too, I'd think.) < 1486062401 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-40-190.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm reading that as "Most software developers (who use Google Cloud Platforms) use Google Cloud Platform for business purposes." < 1486062446 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-40-190.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still, that is... Bizarre. < 1486062465 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-40-190.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They just punted on the idea of end-user users of the service in Europe. < 1486062474 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-40-190.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which kills the viability of the service, IMO) < 1486062494 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-40-190.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I imagine nobody would be using AWS if it had a similar setup back when. < 1486062582 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie might *just* be fine as long as the billed amount remains a flat zero. < 1486062620 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but obviously that's just an opinion, not sure what the legal situation really is. < 1486062903 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1486063549 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1486063639 0 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe QUIT :Quit: Reconnecting < 1486063646 0 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe JOIN :#esoteric < 1486064016 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486064043 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486064096 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-83.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1486064122 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-83.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1486064434 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1486064675 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Well, it says "you'd like to see a potential economic benefit from your development activities, for example: using the Google Cloud Platform to develop prototypes or applications with a view to generating revenue in the future." < 1486064679 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Arguably if you intend to have a career in software, everything you do to learn things while a student of that field has a "business purpose". < 1486064704 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-40-190.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds like an atypical view of the term to me. < 1486064719 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-40-190.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'm not a lawyer and especially not a European lawyer. < 1486064733 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie (and anyone else who cares): Stack Exchange gives a certain amount of free advertising space to their communities, while people are viewing them < 1486064748 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: have you considered law school hth < 1486064754 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :PPCG are considering producing an advert for Esolang (which would show some proportion of the time when people visited PPCG) < 1486064759 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-40-190.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Considered? I guess I have, yes. < 1486064773 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do we want one? and if so, what would it look like? < 1486064809 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Presumably it would involve limes. < 1486064836 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what the PPCG chat said too < 1486064851 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but really, it should convey to the typical PPCG audience why they'd want to visit our site < 1486064892 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :PPCG seems to stand for Programming Puzzles & Code Golf, by the way. < 1486064976 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1486064984 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're probably the Internet's biggest user of esolangs < 1486065016 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been aware of them for ages but resisted joining, typically I persuaded lynn to relay messages < 1486065025 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in the end I finally gave in and now I'm relaying the messages myself < 1486065762 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486065818 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-83.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1486065841 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-83.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1486066039 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1486066587 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-83.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1486066618 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-83.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1486066973 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh < 1486067292 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486067376 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: about the community ads, one thing I was wondering is making one where the image is regularly replaced by a bot. it's a bit tricky, because you need to use the SE api for editing, which is nontrivial to implement, plus upload the images to their server, but it's possible and somewhat esoteric. < 1486067400 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: normally they just do that by directing the image to a server that updates, I think? < 1486067416 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, the image file is hosted elsewhere and just gets replaced on the server that hosts it < 1486067423 0 :jix!~jix@jixco.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1486067442 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: also, I've been relaying messages on SE for a while, I can do it for you too if you want, but then since you're already joined it'd be more strange < 1486067475 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no, the rules for the community ads specifically say the image must be hosted on imgur, and they probably enforce that < 1486067488 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but someone's already documented how to automatically upload an image there < 1486067516 0 :jix!~jix@jixco.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1486067539 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: http://meta.scifi.stackexchange.com/questions/10564/community-promotion-ads-2017 "Must be hosted through our standard image uploader (imgur)" < 1486067566 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it was as easy as directing the ad to my server, then I'd have done it by now < 1486067607 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although ordinary SE posts do allow images on your own server, so someone who wants that thing could collect a lot of traffic logs that way < 1486067643 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(unless you're in control of the imgur servers of course) < 1486068930 0 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1486068967 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-83.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1486068971 0 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1486069000 0 :Akaibu!uid118096@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jkukvtsovdbcntuq JOIN :#esoteric < 1486069087 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Having an ad would be exciting, though I don't have any good, creative ideas re content, and it'd probably be best to do at at some time when the wiki's actually up. < 1486069149 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1486069174 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1486069198 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is the esolang that had comments entirely and only written in malaysian? I can't remember... < 1486069637 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: the wiki is up, or so it seems to me < 1486069672 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :DHeadshot: dunno, that reminds me to http://esolangs.org/wiki/%D0%AE%E1%93%82%EA%B3%A7%E2%8E%94 but doesn't match < 1486069810 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :DHeadshot: found it: http://esolangs.org/wiki/SON-OF-UNBABTIZED . you just have to search for "malaysian" in the wiki < 1486069863 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-83.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1486071101 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1486071274 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: the ad's likely to run all of 2017, and can be repeated next year if people like it < 1486071277 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-83.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1486071293 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(err, all of the remainder of 2017 ) < 1486071497 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486071734 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: It's not properly up. < 1486071760 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: I have a read-only backup copy running next to my feet here, but the disk access noises are annoying my wife. < 1486071884 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I see < 1486071905 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and thanks for doing that < 1486071916 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also thanks to your wife for tolerating it < 1486072188 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, this new laptop appears to have a touchpadbinding that does the same thing as alt-tab < 1486072198 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've hit it several times by accident, but experimentation fails to reveal what it is < 1486072222 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1486072233 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't appear to be a three- or four-finger drag up, down, left, or right < 1486072238 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there some software that lets you control settings related to that touchpad? < 1486072245 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I did discover that a four-finger tap opens the "start menu" equivalent < 1486072258 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: perhaps it's on some particular area, like near some corner or edge? < 1486072262 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: on Windows, yes; this is on Linux, though, so I assume something in Ubuntu is involved < 1486072267 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :some touchpads have special functions near the edges and corners < 1486072284 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :top right corner appears to be middle-click, I figured that one out a while back < 1486072302 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :none of the other corners react to taps < 1486072367 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-83.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1486072397 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :common functions include mouse wheel if you drag the right or bottom edge, and locking touchpad if you double-tap the corner with the led that shows whether it's locked < 1486072415 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :My work laptop has a touchpad with "non-physical" buttons like that, and I never quite managed to configure it exactly the way it should work, even with a lot of fiddling with synclient. < 1486072451 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: this touchpad doesn't do either of those < 1486072466 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :incidentally, I'm somewhat impressed that it can distinguish a four- from a three-finger tap < 1486072516 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: lots of years ago, I had a combination of motherboard, mouse, and software that would occasionally sometimes become mad and start jumping large distances wildly and clicking, even though I just move the mouse. stops when the mouse stops moving, and becomes normal after. < 1486072540 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sadly, the huge distances often moved the mouse to the very corner of the screen, where the close button of a window is < 1486072556 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if these HasSecondarySoftButtons / SecondarySoftButtonAreas options existed when I was trying. < 1486072559 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: is it possible that this alt-tab thing is not a symptom of a similar bug? < 1486072592 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, I'm pretty sure it's intentional < 1486072605 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer using a bleutoth mouse nayway < 1486072612 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :simply that I haven't figured out the trigger < 1486072619 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's buried deep in ccsm somewhere < 1486072639 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: have you tried searching the internet, including either "ubuntu" or the model of the notebook? < 1486072641 0 :krok!~krok@static-50-53-174-215.bvtn.or.frontiernet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486072665 0 :krok!?@? NICK :Guest60138 < 1486072672 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can often find posts on the internet about such things < 1486072673 0 :Guest60138!~krok@static-50-53-174-215.bvtn.or.frontiernet.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1486072689 0 :krok_!~krok@static-50-53-174-215.bvtn.or.frontiernet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486072764 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this feels like the sort of thing I should be able to figure out myself :-( < 1486072826 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha, it's a double three-finger tap < 1486072926 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also found the docs for it online (after figuring that out), and it seems that much of its functionality isn't working < 1486072931 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :only the "switch to previous window" < 1486073027 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486073048 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I keep forgetting whether "drag with the right button" is executed as a two-finger tap followed by a single-finger drag, or a single-finger tap followed by a double-finger drag. < 1486073066 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Two-finger single tap is a regular right click.) < 1486073088 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I bet it will go away if you unistall unity < 1486073093 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :unity is cancer < 1486073120 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: I /like/ Unity < 1486073128 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: two to one < 1486073162 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one to two should logically drag and scroll at the same time (which is an operation that's meaningful on a regular mouse), but it doesn't seem to < 1486073190 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, my issue with Unity is that it's broadly well designed from a UI point of view, but terribly implemented < 1486073208 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :All guis related to a window should stay in that window. they shouldn't be on the top of the screen < 1486073220 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, it has an option for that < 1486073223 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm not sure I agree < 1486073244 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, doing the opposite of Gnome 3 at every opportunity is probably the best way to design a UI < 1486073262 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1486073281 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1486073287 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote basically, doing the opposite of Gnome 3 at every opportunity is probably the best way to design a UI < 1486073294 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1486073296 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we don't have the bot < 1486073307 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that should be addedquote < 1486073311 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have to use Gnome 3 at work < 1486073319 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it took me a while to figure out how it works – it's fairly unintuitive < 1486073322 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I still resent using it < 1486073338 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, there should be a menu containing a simple categorical list of every gui program on the system. you shouldn't have to guess at the name of the program in some sort of privacy-cancer-ridden search box < 1486073357 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least Unity figured out fairly quickly that they shouldn't autohide the launcher, and made it there permanently by default < 1486073369 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: the search box doesn't access the internet by default nowadays < 1486073375 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unlike Windows', which does < 1486073385 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well I have windows 7 < 1486073393 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the last good windows < 1486073406 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: oh come on, they say that about every windows version < 1486073414 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can get a list of every GUI program on the system fairly quickly < 1486073415 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: no. < 1486073425 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know windows 10 sucks, but at least say something that's specific to that one < 1486073431 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the good windowses are 98, XP, and 7 < 1486073443 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(start menu equivalent / Applications / Installed); it also lets you set filters to narrow it down to categories < 1486073443 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :all the others sucked < 1486073450 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: also you mean 98 SE specifically < 1486073451 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2000 was awesome < 1486073460 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes, 2000 was genuinely good < 1486073472 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :3.1 was also good for its time < 1486073474 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, you mean Windows, not the year. < 1486073474 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? 95 OSR2 was a decent one. no memory protection made sense at its time. < 1486073491 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I quite like windows 3.11 < 1486073493 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i prefer 2000 oder xp < 1486073506 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, I still have the opinion that Vista is the best version of Windows < 1486073510 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :over < 1486073518 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1486073530 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :vista is a bug ridden turd < 1486073543 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've USED it < 1486073546 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :vista was like the public alpha of 7 < 1486073573 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais: what? even over xp and 7? < 1486073573 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :vista is not buggy in of itself, it's just very good at exposing bugs in everything else < 1486073586 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Microsoft had to back down from this policy because everyone blamed the OS < 1486073599 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with the result that 7 after it (and XP before it) are both much more tolerant of buggy program < 1486073602 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*programs < 1486073610 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, they have quite a lot of really crazy workarounds for old programs < 1486073620 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so Microsoft lost pretty much their only chance to try to get the quality of programs on their platform up < 1486073621 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :some of them very unintuitive < 1486073622 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: linus torvalds said it best: "WE DO NOT BREAK USERSPACE!" < 1486073640 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: most of the crashes are a result of breaking kernelspace < 1486073651 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, redirecting the system32 directory unless the program claims he knows what system32 means < 1486073652 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the issue is that Microsoft mostly doesn't write drivers themselves < 1486073660 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but rather leaves it up to the hardware manufacture < 1486073686 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of them suck at writing drivers, and many are selfish rather than playing nice with the platform < 1486073697 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the point is that whatever was changed most recently must be blamed < 1486073698 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1486073707 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :incidentally, this is why hardware more than a few months old is more likely to "just work" on Linux than Windows < 1486073758 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, things worked better on windows 7 and windows 7 gets that credit < 1486073768 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: sure, and if I buy my next computer, I'll try to buy a motherboard that's at least one year old if possible, so that within a year it will start to just work, when hardware people reverse engineer it to write drivers for everything, like power management and network card and disk controller and stuff < 1486073773 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :same for cpu < 1486073790 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the case and hard disk can be new models, those don't matter much < 1486073810 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the addition hard disks that is, I will also keep using the ones I have now < 1486073820 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're not as old as this motherboard and cpu and memory < 1486073937 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway the point i was making about UI is that information hiding in a UI is bad < 1486073968 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a large menu with every program in it is better than a pretty one where it's hard to find things < 1486074082 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the menu for unity at least should have a section where you can get a scrollable list of all programs < 1486074104 0 :Mecha_Ma`!~user@217-210-63-95-no39.tbcn.telia.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1486074263 0 :MDude!~MDude@pa-67-234-97-58.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1486074812 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1486074905 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :windows 8 made the same exact mistake in their idiotic "start screen" of course < 1486075281 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: Unity's menu /has/ a scrollable list of all programs < 1486075303 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :open the menu, click on the applications icon at the bottom (which looks sort-of like an A), then click on "installed" < 1486075317 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is it three clicks away < 1486075348 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's rarely used < 1486075371 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and why isn't it labeled simply "all programs" like on windows 7 < 1486075492 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never discovered it until I had given up and switched to XFCE < 1486075566 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I think it's fairly obvious that you'd click on the "applications" icon in order to get a list of applications < 1486075588 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the third click is very obvious, given that it shows your most recently used applications and gives an option to see all of them < 1486075598 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"installed"? < 1486075648 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the full text is: "Installed See 166 more results >" < 1486075653 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at the start of a short list of programs < 1486075662 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you click on that to get the full list < 1486075668 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, this is since when. I haven't used Ubuntu since version 11.04 < 1486075707 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well technically, I have, but not regularly < 1486075737 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: how's your build system project doing today? < 1486075764 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I'm not in charge of the build system < 1486075779 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :the project to become in charge of fixing it < 1486075825 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :just learn from facebook, yo < 1486075827 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CE0xLl-UUAAd7nz.jpg < 1486075863 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :11.04 is when they ruined the UI, so after wrestling with it for months learning to customize it into something resembling usabilty, I gave up and apt-get install xubuntu-desktop < 1486075874 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first version of Unity was terrible, IIRC < 1486075878 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it got better fairly quickly < 1486075894 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it good now? < 1486075908 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I tried it about six months ago it still seemed pretty scow. < 1486075922 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it still has the menus outside their proper windows and no normal applications menu < 1486075941 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, a weird dock instead of a taskbar < 1486076027 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( that sounds a bit like old macOS. wait, i have no idea what OSX does... ) < 1486076045 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does the same. < 1486076052 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: OSX is just as shit an interface as old macs < 1486076071 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY < 1486076074 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :literally anything except what \oren\ is used to is utter scow < 1486076083 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: it's well-designed but badly-implemented < 1486076100 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm using Cinnamon with Ubuntu now. < 1486076104 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not ideal but it works. < 1486076159 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: at first glance at the screenshot on wikipedia, cinnamon looks great < 1486076183 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( today we'll show how to make a delicious vegan dish with cinnamon and ubuntu ) < 1486076197 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a normal desktop, a normal taskbar, a normal menu < 1486076301 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: there's actually a type of cola called ubuntu < 1486076307 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know offhand whether it's vegan or not < 1486076322 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and application menus are in the respective window for that application. WONDERFUL < 1486076324 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, right < 1486076328 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I'm trying to figure out what sort of dish would contain cinnamon and cola, I'm guessing it's a dessert though < 1486076346 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1486076368 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't Coca-Cola contain cinnamon? < 1486076370 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or did? < 1486076388 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*cocaine hth < 1486076803 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :cocaine as spice… and here I thought spice was cannabis < 1486076911 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-83.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1486076988 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH! so cinnamon is what Linux Mint uses! < 1486077011 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that explains Mint's rise to the top of the Distrowatch < 1486077057 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1486077127 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486077677 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1486077872 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98e0:7e6:e55b:7cae:8901:3824 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1486077973 0 :MDude!~MDude@pa-67-234-97-58.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486078232 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486078262 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@massages-loud < 1486078262 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't have any messages < 1486078488 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486078489 0 :huh!~user@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486078753 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1486078810 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1486078871 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486078913 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell wob_jonas Thanks! < 1486078914 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1486079100 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, sourceforge isn't a malware ridden hellhole anymore? < 1486079179 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :he\\oren\. wut? < 1486079208 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently last year they stopped bundling malware with programs < 1486079243 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.ghacks.net/2016/02/10/good-news-sourceforge-stops-bundling-adware-with-installers/ < 1486079386 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cnet is still a malware ridden hellhole though < 1486079635 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cnet is the reference hellhole. < 1486079704 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Speaking of which, is there a decent site that'll let me host the free software I write that isn't open-source? I normally use dropbox but they don't like it... < 1486079818 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486079921 0 :huh!~user@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's the thing. You said "freeware is free software." Is it in the same family? Yes. No one's arguing that. As someone who is a scientist who studies free software, I am telling you, specifically, in programming, no one calls freeware "free software". They're not the same thing. If you're saying "freeware" you're referring to the taxonomic grouping of Gratisdae, which includes things from... < 1486079922 0 :huh!~user@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...GPL to shareware to public domain. < 1486079947 0 :huh!~user@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's okay to just admit you're wrong, you know? < 1486079963 0 :huh!~user@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PART #esoteric :"."