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Baobab, 4800 Wellington H4G 1X2, Feb 12, 12pm. 02:08:02 Consider it noted. 02:08:08 first world problem: someone at the grocery shop put a bread of the cheapest kind in a bag for one of the fancier ones (3-4 times the price) 02:09:14 ty 02:09:40 I will yakuman you into oblivion, just watch me :P 02:09:45 boily: confirm it's in verdun? 02:09:59 yup. either de l'Église or Verdun station, your choice. 02:10:14 oerjan: that is terrible! 02:11:04 not as bad as when they don't manage to bake it properly, anyway. 02:11:57 or as that time i found a rusty screw inside, i may have told that on the channel 02:11:58 many summers ago I worked the boulangerie at a supermarket. exactly 100% of what was sold came flash frozen in cardboard boxes. 02:12:16 -!- nooga has joined. 02:12:56 oerjan: bletch. 02:14:25 or wait, was the screw back when i was still at university 02:14:49 in which case i told it to someone else, presumably. 02:15:32 -!- Perenelle has joined. 02:16:33 -!- nooga has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 02:17:47 Perenello. 02:20:44 Yesso 02:27:33 -!- boily has quit (Quit: CRIMSON CHICKEN). 02:30:36 -!- adu has joined. 02:31:47 How's you doin, boily? 02:38:17 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: NNNZZZite). 02:43:13 -!- LKoen has quit (Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.”). 02:48:27 hppavilion1! 02:48:48 aeg! 02:48:52 Anorw EKRPAT 02:48:57 Adu! 02:49:19 :) 02:49:29 I have no idea what EKRPAT means 02:50:12 so tomorrow is a huge office meeting 02:50:22 and I want to get the most out of it 02:50:42 which means either one of two things: (1) powerpoint presentations, 02:51:03 or (2) woopie cushions 02:51:28 I'm torn 02:55:00 adu: It's DVORAK in DVORAK 02:55:26 adu: Can you do a powerpoint presentation ON woopie cushions? 02:55:33 lololol 02:57:14 it will probably be 1 hours of CEO talking, and 30 minutes of inter-mingling, lunch, then where did everyone go? 02:58:13 I actually set my defualt keyboard to Dvorak for about 6 months 02:59:22 but I was using Emacs the whole time, and I was on Dvorak with Modifier Qwerty mode, so I could never make the switch, because of Emacs 03:01:33 adu: I'm considering setting my mouse to polar coordinates, just to see what happens 03:01:53 because I would have to send -B to send -X to emacs, and I don't know emacs at all, it's all in my muscle memory, so while I was successful in training my mind to type in Dvorak, I couldn't train my Emacs muscles to think in Dvorak 03:02:01 lololololololololol 03:04:03 -!- tromp__ has joined. 03:04:03 -!- tromp has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 03:08:18 so I started writing a book about HTTPS 03:08:31 I'm pretty sure it will take me 175 years 03:08:53 because I'm explaining the implementation of HTTPS in MMIX assembly 03:11:04 -!- tromp has joined. 03:11:09 -!- tromp__ has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 03:11:43 I was thinking of calling it "The Art of Web Connections" 03:11:49 -!- Perenelle has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 03:13:01 -!- nooga has joined. 03:17:09 -!- nooga has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 03:25:21 -!- tromp has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds). 03:27:41 -!- tromp has joined. 03:34:03 -!- augur has joined. 03:41:23 good night 03:41:26 -!- adu has quit (Quit: adu). 04:13:48 -!- nooga has joined. 04:18:06 -!- nooga has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 05:14:32 -!- nooga has joined. 05:18:57 -!- nooga has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds). 05:21:12 -!- doesthiswork has quit (Quit: Leaving.). 05:27:40 -!- FireFly has joined. 05:40:25 -!- tromp has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 05:52:06 -!- iovoid has quit (Quit: Iovoid has quit!). 05:52:06 -!- wlp1s1 has quit (Quit: jeffl35 has quit (Quit: jeffl35 has quit (Quit: jeffl35 has quit (Quit: jeffl35 has quit ...). 06:00:08 -!- krok_ has joined. 06:15:22 -!- nooga has joined. 06:19:41 -!- nooga has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 06:41:23 -!- tromp has joined. 06:46:01 -!- tromp has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 06:51:39 [wiki] [[Talk:Essays/A Defence of Brainfuck Derivatives]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=50861 * Challenger5 * (+6314) Created page with "Here's my take on this (~~~~):
BF is one of the most well-known esoteric languages. It is a simple language based on a Turing machine, and, with 8 instructions, i..." 06:52:46 [wiki] [[Talk:Essays/A Defence of Brainfuck Derivatives]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50862&oldid=50861 * Challenger5 * (-8) 07:02:56 -!- krok_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 07:03:25 haha :D 07:03:42 ...I may have created the original page. 07:03:56 Do Norwegian fonts usually support an 'fj' ligature the same way English fonts support 'fi'? 07:06:01 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 07:16:18 -!- nooga has joined. 07:20:33 -!- nooga has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds). 07:32:29 -!- hppavilion1 has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 07:43:52 -!- augur has joined. 08:17:03 -!- nooga has joined. 08:21:30 -!- nooga has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 08:22:57 -!- fractal has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds). 08:41:02 -!- tromp has joined. 08:43:21 -!- fractal has joined. 08:45:23 -!- tromp has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 08:48:03 -!- ais523 has joined. 08:48:41 can anyone help me identify this byte sequence: 22 22 22 ea 11 22 08:49:23 I downloaded a list of statistical information from Google Books; specifically, a list of the most commonly used words and punctuation marks in English 08:49:44 it's apparently the third-most commonly seen punctuation mark, after " and . 08:49:47 just above - 08:50:42 and only 8 words are more commonly seen (the, of, and, to, in, a, is, that); it's more common than "was" 08:52:19 it's particularly concerning because the rest of the file appears to be in UTF-8 08:53:05 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 09:17:53 -!- nooga has joined. 09:22:25 -!- nooga has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 09:33:33 ais523: that's strange 09:33:58 very much so 09:34:20 the double quotes make it look like it's a double quoted form of 22 EA 11, but that doesn't explain anything 09:35:52 -!- hakatashi1 has joined. 09:36:31 ais523: does the file have invalid utf-8 or unexplained control characters elsewhere? if so, those could help 09:36:42 not that I've noticed 09:37:25 maybe try grepping for it? 09:38:35 doing that now 09:39:01 invalid utf-8 is hard to grep for, so I'm grepping for ASCII control chars 09:39:42 nope, nowhere else 09:39:52 also it appears right at the start of a file that's otherwise in alphabetical order 09:40:14 wait, it's at the start of the file? 09:40:18 that makes it different 09:40:30 it could be some sort of header rather than an actual entry 09:40:34 well, it appears on multiple lines of the file 09:40:43 I assumed the file was in frequency order 09:40:45 wait what? 09:40:46 the file's sorted alphabetically and then by year 09:40:55 this appears for a number of different years, at the start of the file 09:40:59 ah 09:41:08 -!- jix_ has joined. 09:41:14 -!- Guest66676 has joined. 09:41:19 -!- viznut_ has joined. 09:41:19 so it's very much formatted like an entry 09:41:26 it's just massively invalid 09:41:27 well, it could be a real entry that's alphabetically the first according to some collation 09:41:52 actually, it probably is first 09:41:53 if it appears multiple times for years... that's strange 09:42:00 " is the second letter of the alphabet, after all :-P 09:42:14 -!- tromp has joined. 09:42:17 ais523: it's hard to explain how it comes before just a quotation mark, since it's a suffix 09:42:26 (and ! and " are in different files, with the split between files being arbitrary) 09:42:46 ah 09:43:06 so no more control characters... ok 09:43:24 which one is \x11, anyway? vertical tab? 09:43:30 -!- Bowserinator_ has joined. 09:43:31 yep 09:43:53 but that doesn't explain the unmatched \xea 09:44:41 as for non-utf8, you can search with iconv -f utf8 -t utf8 09:44:50 which will find the first invalid utf8 09:44:55 so you'd have to drop these lines 09:45:48 -!- hakatashi has quit (*.net *.split). 09:45:48 -!- Bowserinator has quit (*.net *.split). 09:45:48 -!- viznut has quit (*.net *.split). 09:45:48 -!- jix has quit (*.net *.split). 09:45:49 -!- alakra has quit (*.net *.split). 09:45:49 -!- Guest66666 has quit (*.net *.split). 09:46:53 -!- tromp has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 09:50:06 looks like it's the only invalid utf-8 09:51:06 -!- alakra has joined. 10:00:53 -!- nooga has joined. 10:01:22 interesting 10:02:13 it could perhaps be not a real word, but a proxy entry that stands for something, like all other words not listed in the file or something, but even then it's strange. You'd have to look near the source docs or ask other people who have used these files maybe. 10:12:06 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 10:31:29 ais523: I don't know why, but in my copy (of the version 2009 Google Books ngram unigrams), that's 22 22 22 15 12 22 instead of 22 22 22 ea 11 22. 10:31:48 fizzie: but equally nonsensical? 10:32:10 or, well, slightly less nonsensical as it is at least valid utf-8 10:32:18 Yes. I assume it's the "corresponding" entry; because it's the only thing containing a " other than the single ". 10:32:24 do you have any idea what it's for? 10:32:26 (At the start of file -8.) 10:33:45 No idea, really. The files are "nominally" tab-separated CSV (in the sense that they have .csv in the file name), so it could've been the (equally nonsensical) 22 15 12 quoted, though the single " isn't quoted, so maybe not. 10:35:06 By the way, \x11 is DC1, not the vertical tab. (Vertical tab is 11 decimal, \x0b.) 10:35:16 oh right 10:35:30 that's an easy mistake to make when your ASCII table just says "11" 10:35:54 mine actually lists the decimal and hex in different columns, I must have been looking at the wrong column 10:36:08 It doesn't make any more sense from the ASCII perspective as DC1, of course. 10:37:32 Since it's us, I'd've expected something protobuf-related, but that doesn't really make sense either. 10:39:35 `? fizzie 10:39:36 fizzie is not fnord with a monad but the sneaky canary king of #esoteric, see https://zem.fi/static/img/square_fizzie_320px_white.jpg 10:39:52 I wanted to add something about liking wiggly lines. 10:40:05 But maybe that wisdom entry already has more than enough content. 10:40:22 Maybe you should add an actual wiggly line. I really like those in-line sparklines people do as well. 10:41:15 As in ▁▂▃▅▂▇? 10:41:27 ais523: FWIW, there's nothing similar in the 2012 version of the dataset, at least in the "punctuation" or "other" categories. (It's split to files by first letter, not arbitrarily to files of equal size.) 10:42:02 the most /useful/ split would probably be by frequency 10:42:16 as you're more likely to care about the more frequent ngrams than the less frequent ngrams 10:42:24 shachaf: Yes. Although maybe that's not so much of a "line". 10:42:46 ▁▂▃▅▂▇ 10:43:14 ▃█▅▅█▅▃▃▅█▃▃▁▅▅▃▃▅▁▁▃▃▃▃▃▅▃█▅▁▃▅▃█▃▁ 10:44:19 Doing it like ⣀⢄⠡⠢⠤⣀ is kind of nice as well, but cuts the vertical resolution to half. 10:55:45 you get much better horizontal resolution when using a variable-width font, though 10:55:49 which might be enough to compensate 10:57:15 -!- nooga has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 10:57:34 fizzie: interesting. 10:57:45 -!- nooga has joined. 11:01:40 Do you have any esoteric database query languages? 11:03:45 -!- gsora_ has changed nick to gsora. 11:05:39 shachaf: no, but there's one I was considering to make 11:09:31 -!- nooga has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 11:17:57 -!- boily has joined. 11:19:11 -!- ffj-bot has joined. 11:19:49 -!- iovoid has joined. 11:19:54 -!- iczero has joined. 11:33:25 -!- lastpunisher has joined. 11:33:31 -!- lastpunisher has left. 11:40:16 `wisdom 11:40:17 gotton//gotton is a quantum of attention. Solain drives the packet. 11:40:41 @metar CYUL 11:40:42 CYUL 081100Z 24003KT 220V300 7SM FEW004 SCT008 OVC020 M02/M03 A2929 RMK SF1SF2SC5 SLP922 11:41:45 -!- ais523 has quit. 11:41:54 @metar KATL 11:41:54 KATL 081125Z 27005KT 1/2SM R09R/4500VP6000FT BR OVC003 13/13 A2978 RMK AO2 SFC VIS 1 TWRINC T01330133 11:42:06 humid east coast. 11:43:09 -!- tromp has joined. 11:44:42 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPsn17_a8-g 11:47:25 -!- tromp has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 11:47:52 Ō_Ō... 12:07:06 -!- nooga has joined. 12:11:35 [wiki] [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Clubby789 * New user account 12:19:51 [wiki] [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50863&oldid=50858 * Clubby789 * (+217) /* Introductions */ 12:20:05 [wiki] [[~ATH]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50864&oldid=45685 * Clubby789 * (+0) /* Nested loops */ 12:20:40 -!- boily has quit (Quit: CASTOR CHICKEN). 12:20:47 [wiki] [[~ATH]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50865&oldid=50864 * Clubby789 * (+2) /* Nested loops */ 12:21:16 [wiki] [[~ATH]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50866&oldid=50865 * Clubby789 * (+1) /* Nested loops */ 12:24:50 <\oren\> I have a software that automatically renders graphs like that 12:25:13 <\oren\> http://orenwatson.be/grph.c.htm 12:28:59 <\oren\> 2017Feb08Wed12:29:30UTC ~$ ~/grph <<<'1 2 3 4 5 3 5 6 7 2 1' ▄█ 12:28:59 <\oren\> ▄█ ███ 12:29:00 <\oren\> ▄███████▄ 12:29:42 <\oren\> ▄█ 12:29:42 <\oren\> ▄█ ███ 12:29:43 <\oren\> ▄███████▄ 12:29:47 <\oren\> there 12:43:31 -!- Akaibu has joined. 13:01:41 -!- tromp has joined. 13:06:06 -!- tromp has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 13:09:55 -!- tromp has joined. 14:00:32 -!- doesthiswork has joined. 14:27:17 -!- MDead has joined. 14:29:41 -!- MDude has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 14:29:51 -!- MDead has changed nick to MDude. 14:38:51 -!- oerjan has joined. 14:51:25 -!- Bowserinator_ has changed nick to Bowserinator. 14:51:29 -!- Bowserinator has quit (Changing host). 14:51:29 -!- Bowserinator has joined. 14:58:34 -!- PinealGlandOptic has joined. 15:02:32 -!- `^_^v has joined. 15:30:03 `cwlprits gotton 15:30:05 boil̈y 15:30:21 @ask boily who is Solain, anyway? 15:30:21 Consider it noted. 15:30:39 `grwp solain 15:30:46 Binary file reflection matches 15:30:55 `` grwp -i solain 15:30:56 goat:Goats will eat and drink anything, except tea. Solain is unavailable for details. \ gotton:gotton is a quantum of attention. Solain drives the packet. \ Binary file reflection matches 15:31:11 `cwlprits goat 15:31:13 boil̈y oerjän 15:31:23 `dowt goat 15:31:24 3619:2013-09-03 mv wisdom/goat{s,} \ 10137:2017-01-15 learn Goats will eat and drink anything, except tea. Solain is unavailable for details. 15:31:37 `before goat 15:31:38 No output. 15:31:42 hmph 15:31:59 `` hg cat -r 3619 wisdom/goat 15:32:00 Goats are drunk 24/7, ask Solain for details. 15:32:07 what? goats don't drink tea? 15:32:14 `cwlprits goats 15:32:16 oerjän Rouj̈o 15:32:34 hm Roujo is involved 15:32:57 `? goat 15:32:58 Goats will eat and drink anything, except tea. Solain is unavailable for details. 15:33:03 `? goats 15:33:04 Goats will eat and drink anything, except tea. Solain is unavailable for details. 15:33:12 `? boat 15:33:13 boat? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 15:33:15 `dowt gotton 15:33:16 3607:2013-09-03 learn gotton is a quantum of attention. Solain drives the packet. 15:33:18 `? moat 15:33:18 moat? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 15:33:30 `? doat 15:33:31 doat? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 15:34:19 `? oat 15:34:20 oat? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 15:34:29 `doat wisdom/doat 15:34:31 No output. 15:34:35 `? oats 15:34:36 oats? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 15:34:54 is there a description of this dowg family if commands somewhere? 15:35:03 `? hoag 15:35:04 ​`[hd]o[aw][gt] [] is a set of commands for querying HackEgo hg logs. `hoag is the basic version. d adds revision numbers and dates, w looks only in wisdom, and t lists oldest first. 15:35:22 what? only three of the letters are variable? that's simpler than I thought 15:35:32 *MWAHAHAHA* 15:35:38 `? culprits 15:35:39 ​`culprits` is a program that lists the nicks responsible for a wisdom entry. Usage: `culprits wisdom/ENTRY 15:36:04 `? cwlprits 15:36:05 cwlprits? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 15:36:09 hm 15:36:16 how many letters change in that one? 15:36:22 just one 15:39:01 `le/rn culprits//c[uw]lprits lists the nicks responsible for a file or wisdom entry. Usage: `culprits FILE or `cwlprits ENTRY 15:39:03 Relearned 'culprits': c[uw]lprits lists the nicks responsible for a file or wisdom entry. Usage: `culprits FILE or `cwlprits ENTRY 15:39:22 this reminds me to how in svn, the three commands blame, annotate, praise are aliases. you use svn blame to find who did something bad, but svn praise to find who did something good. 15:39:45 git is pessimistic, it doesn't come with a praise command (though you can define an alias in your config). 15:40:27 `` ls wisdom/*lpri* 15:40:28 wisdom/culprits 15:41:18 admittedly, svn comes with several aliases out of the box, most of which are abbreviations, whereas git comes with few or none. 15:43:42 `? finland 15:43:43 Finland is a European country. There are two people in Finland, and at least nine of them are in this channel. Corun drives the bus. 15:44:00 like command, which has the aliases DEL=ERASE, MD=MKDIR, RD=RMDIR, CD=CHDIR. I have no idea why it has built-in aliases like that. does anyone happen to know? 15:44:24 it also has PATH and PROMPT command for setting particular environment variables 15:45:03 it's as if they made that executable in modern times when you don't have to squeeze every byte of space from your operating system executables so that more stuff fits on a floppy 15:48:57 -!- `^_^v has quit (Quit: Leaving). 15:49:18 -!- `^_^v has joined. 15:56:04 (unless perhaps PATH and PROMPT are somehow historically earlier than the environment; I don't know if DOS 2 already has the environment) 15:58:49 -!- HackEgo has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 16:19:13 -!- augur has joined. 16:19:24 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 16:19:39 -!- Guest61445 has joined. 16:31:30 oh no 16:31:33 is the wiki down again? 16:31:48 oerjan, fizzie: the esolangs wiki are down 16:31:59 and I wanted to add an article 16:32:10 (unless it already exists) 16:32:47 `ping 16:33:43 please fix the wiki! 16:33:47 half an hour gone? 16:33:58 b_jonas: you sound a bit impatient 16:34:14 int-e: yes, because I found an actually interesting esolang out there on the internets 16:34:21 and want to start an article about it 16:34:56 -!- HackEgo has joined. 16:35:09 today there are two comments on a postcard 16:35:13 oh nice 16:35:25 bugs galore 16:36:04 oerjan: huh? 16:36:12 fungot: what do you know about postcards? 16:36:13 int-e: what do the curly-braces do? i don't know; none of those is because my ipod was stolen and i can't believe i actually dread watching movies, but the point of 16:36:31 fungot: I'll take your word for it 16:36:32 int-e: stop harassing her water bottle.) 16:36:38 int-e: http://www.mezzacotta.net/postcard/ 16:38:17 and both of them are about bugs. 16:38:33 great, wiki seems to be up now 16:38:57 fungot: that sounds like suspiciously specific denial 16:38:57 b_jonas: fnord/ 221 cpuinfo kallsyms stat exam holding their hand in front of icecube... uh, never mind 16:39:09 what 16:39:12 oh 16:40:21 I think that's too meta for me. 16:40:31 * oerjan wonders when fizzie will get tired of manually fixing the wiki bridge 16:40:42 int-e: *MWAHAHAHA* 16:42:07 I confirmed there's no article about this esolang yet. I'll try to create it later this evening 16:43:07 . o O ( it's The Esolang Which Must Not Be Named and b_jonas will never be heard from again ) 16:43:59 . o O ( But the chat log will remain... is this all a prank, reinacting a `postcard` episode on #esoteric? ) 16:44:16 reenacting? 16:44:36 That looks better. 16:45:51 . o O ( metacozza ) 16:48:00 `? meta 16:48:08 meta is about 16:53:04 -!- Guest66676 has changed nick to Guest6666. 16:59:41 oerjan: is it a basilisk language, or a more bloody mary sort of scenario 17:01:11 i don't know, i'm not going to look at it 17:02:24 <\oren\> honestly Alpine doesn't have that many actual settings to fiddle with 17:02:27 <\oren\> and most of those are simply "make email work? [x] yes [ ] no, fuck it up" 17:03:59 <\oren\> so I don't think i could spend much time adjusting alpine 17:05:32 . o O ( fiddle with the source code then ) 17:05:41 or adjust your window manager 17:05:50 and how much time, pray, have you spent on that font of yours? 17:05:55 *pray tell* 17:06:37 oerjan: that postcard image won't load? 17:07:06 huh, irregular webcomic also updated twice 17:07:13 quintopia: *MWAHAHAHA* 17:07:35 -!- hppavilion1 has joined. 17:08:02 oerjan: :\ 17:08:28 int-e: the obvious solution is to turn his font into a mail program. running in lisp. 17:08:39 quintopia: (there never was one) 17:09:14 oerjan: no image? why not? 17:09:15 oerjan: what do you mean, that *is* an image. 17:09:26 i guess it is 17:09:27 http://www.mezzacotta.net/postcard/comics/comic.png 17:09:44 but i don't understand why to use it 17:10:04 int-e: ok, technically. people have been asking dmm if it wouldn't be better to make it an actually broken image, but he disagrees. 17:10:07 I think it's even more "too meta" for quintopia than it is for me :) 17:10:13 int-e: you think 17:10:29 quintopia: i suggesting looking at the FAQ link hth 17:10:40 is the author's note the only part that's supposed to be interesting 17:10:58 (or was it about? i've left the page) 17:11:19 quintopia: yep 17:11:43 (there's one exception, an april fool's page from way back) 17:11:57 what does an autobiography at age 16 have to do with postcards 17:12:58 int-e: now reload hth 17:13:05 i guess the idea is that you're supposed to imagine what the image contained. but that seems like too much effort for passive internetainment 17:13:47 i'm not imagining that much. well, i guess i'm slightly curious about what Blackdrip looks like. 17:15:29 "The hardest part of making panel 4 was, I kid you not, getting my graphics software to draw a circle. You'd think this would be a basic function of any graphics program." 17:15:45 well, dmm warned that today the comics would be updating an hour late because of server maintenance. i guess things turned out worse. 17:16:04 http://www.mezzacotta.net/postcard/?comic=1487 ... guess how I found this particular one 17:16:51 well there _is_ a Random button. 17:17:27 yeah but that wouldn't make a fair puzzle 17:18:02 and nothing would make it an interesting puzzle 17:19:21 quintopia: well it wasn't meant for you but for our resident CDOP victim. 17:19:49 int-e: oh. it's the first comic of the first author alphabetically. 17:19:49 compulsive doing of puzzles? 17:19:58 oerjan: exactly 17:20:00 `? ocdp 17:20:01 ocdp? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 17:20:07 `? cdop 17:20:07 CDOP is OCPD, except with the letters in the *proper* order. 17:20:17 that was my second guess 17:20:27 except we just call it CDO...no idea what the p is for 17:20:34 "personality" 17:21:10 . o O ( surely i cannot be the only resident CDOP victim ) 17:21:13 and mentioning it was obviously a hint 17:21:16 I suppose it's there because three-letter acronyms sound unprofessional and cozy. 17:22:16 no, it's because OCD and OCPD mean different things. 17:22:22 -!- prooftechnique_ has quit (Quit: ZNC http://znc.in). 17:22:26 oerjan: well, i'm certainly not one. I knew one in high school though. Seemed pretty awful. My dad claims to be, but definitely isn't. 17:23:08 i'm not actually diagnosed with either, mind you. afaik. 17:23:16 -!- prooftechnique has joined. 17:23:44 oerjan: oh they are different. the guy i knew was OCD, not OCPD. 17:24:39 my dad may very well be OCPD... he certainly is obsessed with control of his environment 17:24:52 and sees this at right and proper 17:28:23 'Some (but not all) studies have found high comorbidity rates between the two disorders' <- "comorbidity" is new to me. 17:34:59 hm no, the maintenance isn't until tomorrow. hm. 17:35:18 perhaps something went wrong with dmm's plan for _how_ to get it updating tomorrow. 17:38:24 <\oren\> wow QC is getting DARK with this transhumanist drama 17:42:49 <\oren\> I didn't check it for severl weeks and wut is this 17:48:26 I was wondering why you're bringing it up now that the story arc is pretty much complete 17:59:15 -!- hppavilion1 has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 17:59:32 -!- hppavilion1 has joined. 18:00:59 -!- nooga has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 18:17:13 -!- Herbstkind has joined. 18:35:31 -!- Akaibu has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 18:35:44 -!- incomprehensibly has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 18:35:44 -!- fowl has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 18:40:35 -!- heroux has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 18:40:54 -!- heroux has joined. 18:43:36 -!- Guest61445 has changed nick to augur. 18:45:07 -!- ocharles has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 18:45:09 -!- zgrep has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 18:45:09 -!- dingbat has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 18:45:45 -!- Lord_of_Life has quit (Excess Flood). 18:46:59 -!- Lord_of_Life has joined. 19:02:24 -!- prooftechnique has quit (Quit: ZNC http://znc.in). 19:03:14 -!- prooftechnique has joined. 19:26:36 -!- incomprehensibly has joined. 19:29:11 -!- nycs has joined. 19:32:17 -!- ocharles has joined. 19:32:20 -!- `^_^v has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 19:37:10 -!- zgrep has joined. 19:37:37 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: Later). 19:41:10 -!- sebbu2 has joined. 19:42:59 -!- dingbat has joined. 19:44:06 -!- sebbu has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 19:47:57 -!- Akaibu has joined. 19:48:10 -!- doesthiswork has left. 19:59:35 `olist 1065 19:59:35 olist 1065: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly boily nortti b_jonas 20:01:02 -!- nooga has joined. 20:03:22 Do you have any esoteric database query languages? ← does Q count? 20:03:32 Oh, possibly. 20:04:07 WireFly 20:04:09 (it's part of kdb+, implemented in k I believe) 20:04:32 -!- hppavilion1 has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 20:04:55 Yes. 20:05:02 Should I learn K or something? 20:05:21 Maybe I should learn APL. 20:05:42 -!- nooga has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 20:05:57 APL has a nicer character set, J comes with lots of batteries included, K is kind of to APL as scheme is to lisps 20:06:02 a lot more minimalistic 20:06:32 I mean, any language in that family. 20:06:36 it also differs fundamentally in some ways from APL/J, e.g. its basic unit is heterogenous lists instead of homogenous rectangular arrays 20:06:37 oh, sure 20:06:44 Will it alter my thinking about things? 20:06:45 Well, I dunno 20:06:48 I would say so 20:07:05 I would say that is the main reason for learning an array language 20:07:43 Will I start writing my C software like http://code.jsoftware.com/wiki/Essays/Incunabulum ? 20:08:19 http://kparc.com/edit.k is pretty good, I guess. Fits on one page. 20:08:46 you probably won't start writing C like that unless you're mad 20:08:48 which I cannot rule out 20:09:10 `? mad 20:09:11 This wisdom entry was censored for being too accurate. 20:09:15 fair 20:09:28 It's a shame it was censored. 20:09:30 `cwlprits mad 20:09:32 oerjän oerjän nitïa 20:09:47 i,i http://slbkbs.org/kj-sanity.txt 20:09:50 http://www.jsoftware.com/papers/APLQA.htm has some fun anecdotes 20:10:32 'The k binary weighs in at about 50Kb. Someone asked about the interpreter source code. A frown flickered across the face of our visitor from Microsoft: what could be interesting about that? “The source is currently 264 lines of C,” said Arthur. I thought I heard a sotto voce “that’s not possible.” Arthur showed us how he had arranged his source code in five files so that he could edit any one of 20:10:32 them without scrolling. “Hate scrolling,” he mumbled.' 20:11:11 I'm not entirely sure AW's approach to C is the best 20:11:18 but he sure does like golfing :p 20:11:49 Is it just golfing or is it a different way of thinking about programming that naturally leads to shorter code? 20:12:50 Well, with e.g. the J incunabulum, some of the defines do make decent sense 20:14:34 I guess it depends on if you look at the C or the APL-family code… but with APL-family code you end up with a lot of folds and similar, and it often makes sense to solve problems by constructing arrays and folding it in different ways 20:15:37 -!- nooga has joined. 20:16:10 The go-to example is probably the GoL-in-APL video, which computes an array of the 9 different ways to shift the 2D field (including an 'identity shift') and then sums those subarrays up 20:16:17 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9xAKttWgP4 this video, I mean 20:16:28 <\oren\> Arthur was quite taken with the fact that +.× in Dyalog APL and J are faster on sparse matrices. On Friday morning he talked to me again about it, and asked to see benchmarks on 1000-by-1000 matrices with densities of 1 and 0.1. 20:16:36 <\oren\> I suggested that he could also do this because as I recall k does +.× row at a time rather than the traditional row-by-column. 20:16:44 <\oren\> About a minute later, Arthur said, OK, I have it, and showed me the changed code — he’d inserted if(a) into the middle of a dense pack of characters. I quipped that that indicates he isn’t following the TDD methodology, and that he’s only proven it correct but not tested it. 20:16:54 <\oren\> if(a) 20:17:02 <\oren\> lolololololololol 20:26:57 * FireFly returns to golfing 20:33:16 -!- fowl has joined. 20:35:20 -!- PinealGlandOptic has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 20:56:30 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 21:12:35 -!- wob_jonas has joined. 21:12:59 -!- nooga has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 21:13:37 Stack Exchange's parser is even more stupid than I thought. If it sees a bare url surrounded by double quotes or angle brackets, it believes that the closing double quote is part of the url. seriously. 21:17:55 -!- nooga has joined. 21:22:19 -!- augur has joined. 21:24:06 -!- augur_ has joined. 21:24:42 -!- augur_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 21:25:29 -!- nooga has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 21:26:41 -!- augur has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 21:29:36 -!- nooga has joined. 21:29:52 `? nooga 21:29:53 no. 21:29:58 `welcome nooga 21:29:59 nooga: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: . (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.) 21:30:02 adu: wtf 21:33:37 hppavilion1: I for one think the fi ligature is overused. a lot of fonts have an fi ligature when they shouldn't have one, and the ligature looks way uglier than the combination of the two characters (with possibly some kerning) would look like. I think they add it for signaling only, to show it's a "professional" font. 21:34:13 -!- augur has joined. 21:35:20 -!- nooga has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 21:35:34 `? fowl 21:35:35 fowl? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 21:35:38 FireFly: What are you golfing? 21:35:50 `` doag | grep fowl 21:35:53 4609:2014-04-25 addquote one day we\'ll be able to put evil people inside mirrors and throw them into space like superman 2 21:35:55 it's especially bad when they add a single width fi ligature to monospaced fonts 21:36:03 shachaf: a raymarcher demo for http://js1k.com/2017-magic/ 21:36:12 it's down to 1033 bytes currently 21:36:19 wot 21:36:34 it's unfortunately not the most interesting demo :\ because it only renders a static image 21:36:43 still fun though 21:39:37 -!- nooga has joined. 21:39:39 -!- sebbu2 has changed nick to sebbu. 21:44:51 -!- krok_ has joined. 21:45:07 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 21:52:46 -!- dingbat has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity). 22:23:46 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in). 22:25:34 <\oren\> wob_jonas: neoletters is a proffessional font 22:26:12 <\oren\> proffissional, even 22:26:20 heh 22:26:42 or just a finely made one 22:26:47 LATIN SMALL LIGATURE FOREIGN FUNCTION INTERFACE 22:27:26 <\oren\> someone alias ㋌ hg 22:28:16 <\oren\> unicode has a lot of inherited garbage 22:28:26 <\oren\> ㏑㏒㏓ 22:30:13 <\oren\> but one day I'll run ㎰ -ꜷ 22:31:46 <\oren\> the most blatant garbage in my opinion is ₯ which in most fonts has a glyph that was never used for anything. 22:32:05 <\oren\> in greece, or anywhere else for that matter 22:34:10 <\oren\> In my font I replaced it with the vertical delta rho ligature which is attested in greek price tags 22:40:45 <\oren\> of course, ₷ is almost unattested 22:41:22 how's your build system doing today 22:41:33 did you wait 4 hours to build your program 22:42:41 \oren\: heh 22:43:56 \oren\: there's a lot of crazy currency signs that are barely used, which totally makes sense, because in most places, people use only one currency, so the price tags don't need to display any currency sign at all 22:44:11 there are also various currency abbreviations made of two or three letters 22:44:38 -!- nooga has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 22:51:38 -!- Herbstkind has quit (Quit: Leaving). 22:52:45 -!- FreeFull has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 22:53:11 -!- krok_ has quit (Quit: Leaving). 22:57:32 -!- nooga has joined. 23:06:12 -!- FreeFull has joined. 23:09:03 -!- doesthiswork has joined. 23:09:33 -!- boily has joined. 23:10:22 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Quit: Leaving). 23:12:37 `wisdom 23:12:38 cuisine//Cuisine is the posh cousin of cooking. 23:12:45 @massages-loud 23:12:45 oerjan asked 7h 42m 24s ago: who is Solain, anyway? 23:13:18 @tell oerjan hellørjan. a dude from Israel with a strange goat fixation, IIRC. 23:13:18 Consider it noted. 23:16:03 typical 23:17:44 `wisdom 23:17:45 d-module//D-modules are just modules over the ring of differential operators. Taneb invented them. 23:17:50 oerjan: it's kind of scow how grwp always finds reflection 23:17:57 i suppose reflection is the identity of wisdom 23:18:01 it's basic grwp theory 23:18:23 can reflection reflect on anything else besides itself? 23:19:00 anything that survives a flecting can be reflected 23:19:21 you can reflog anything that survives an initial flog 23:20:19 -!- krok_ has joined. 23:22:50 flect flog flect flog flect flog ♪ 23:24:48 <\oren\> shachaf: no I jsut started the build. I'll check tomorrow morning whether it passed 23:25:01 grwp ta[n]eb 23:25:08 `grwp ta[n]eb 23:25:16 cumin:Cumin is a quantum tanebvented spice, only if it doesn't involve sex. \ taneb:Taneb is not elliott, no matter whom you ask. He also isn't a rabbi although has pretended in the past. He has at least two backup keyboards with dodgy SHIFT KEys, cube root of nine genders, one of which is a Czech woman, and above average, not too voluminous, but c 23:27:35 `forget cumin 23:27:37 Forget what? 23:28:05 `5 w 23:28:10 1/2:partial order//A partial order is just a small thin skeletal category. \ browser//A browser is a Gopher client for convenient access to Gopher services and documents. \ `words//The `words dictionary framework was designed by Klens Hålgar Oslekk, Upert T. Noffrey, Guiston Degraîme, Myyntti Raatalla, Gölrika Rosenskild, Zwübert von 23:28:13 `spam 23:28:14 2/2:Pfölliger, Waslomir Stronderowich, Győrvan Sárbik, Gareen Shergyle, Fnörður Hljófsson, and Pastronella Gattrovezzi. \ yeeesh//See yeesh. \ ^//^ (also notated by ⊕ or ⊻) is the exclusive-or operator; ∧ (also notated by /\ or &) is the and (conjunction) operator; ^ (also notated by ↑ or ** or ⋆) is the power operator. 23:28:38 `? yeesh 23:28:39 yeesh? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 23:28:46 `? yeeeesh 23:28:46 See yeeesh. 23:28:49 `? yeeesh 23:28:50 See yeesh. 23:28:55 `` grwp yee 23:28:57 Binary file reflection matches \ yeeeeeeeeeesh:See yeeeeeeeeesh. \ yeeeeeeeeesh:See yeeeeeeeesh. \ yeeeeeeeesh:See yeeeeeeesh. \ yeeeeeeesh:See yeeeeeesh. \ yeeeeeesh:See yeeeeesh. \ yeeeeesh:See yeeeesh. \ yeeeesh:See yeeesh. \ yeeesh:See yeesh. 23:29:09 `cwlprits yeeeeeeeesh 23:29:11 tsweẗt 23:29:15 the yeechain should be yanked. 23:30:47 hehe, one of those is my wisdom 23:33:12 `` cd wisdom; for f in *; do echo -n "$f: "; culprits "$f"; done 23:33:43 ​/usr/bin/paste: share/scowrevs: No such file or directory \ hg: parse error: missing argument \ /usr/bin/paste: share/scowrevs: No such file or directory \ hg: parse error: missing argument \ /usr/bin/paste: share/scowrevs: No such file or directory \ hg: parse error: missing argument \ /usr/bin/paste: share/scowrevs: No such file or directory \ 23:33:48 er 23:34:00 `cat bin/culprits 23:34:01 hoag "$@" | awk '{print substr($1,2,length($1)-2)}' | xargs 23:34:07 `cat bin/hoag 23:34:07 hlnp --removed --template "{desc}\n" -- "$@" 23:34:11 `cat bin/hlnp 23:34:12 scowrevs="$(/usr/bin/paste -sd'|' share/scowrevs)"; hg log -r "tip:0 & ! ($scowrevs)" "$@" | sed 's/\(\(^\| \)[ `pwd 23:34:26 ​/hackenv 23:34:38 `` sled bin/hlnp//s#share#/hackenv/&# 23:34:38 ​/bin/sed: -e expression #1, char 17: unterminated `s' command 23:34:44 `` cd wisdom; for f in yee*; do echo -n "$f: "; culprits "$f"; done 23:34:46 er 23:34:49 ​/usr/bin/paste: share/scowrevs: No such file or directory \ hg: parse error: missing argument \ /usr/bin/paste: share/scowrevs: No such file or directory \ hg: parse error: missing argument \ /usr/bin/paste: share/scowrevs: No such file or directory \ hg: parse error: missing argument \ /usr/bin/paste: share/scowrevs: No such file or directory \ 23:35:02 `sled bin/hlnp//s#share#/hackenv/&# 23:35:04 bin/hlnp//scowrevs="$(/usr/bin/paste -sd'|' /hackenv/share/scowrevs)"; hg log -r "tip:0 & ! ($scowrevs)" "$@" | sed 's/\(\(^\| \)[ `` cd wisdom; for f in yee*; do echo -n "$f: "; culprits "$f"; done 23:35:12 ``` cd wisdom && culprits hoag 23:35:14 oerjän oerjän oerjän oerjän oerjän oerjän oerjän 23:35:16 That was spammier than I'd hoped. :-( 23:35:17 yeeeeeeeeeesh: tsweẗt \ yeeeeeeeeesh: tsweẗt \ yeeeeeeeesh: tsweẗt \ yeeeeeeesh: tsweẗt \ yeeeeeesh: tsweẗt \ yeeeeesh: tsweẗt \ yeeeesh: tsweẗt \ yeeesh: tsweẗt 23:35:17 ``` cd wisdom && cwlprits hoag 23:35:19 No output. 23:40:07 `spam 23:40:08 1/2:partial order//A partial order is just a small thin skeletal category. \ browser//A browser is a Gopher client for convenient access to Gopher services and documents. \ `words//The `words dictionary framework was designed by Klens Hålgar Oslekk, Upert T. Noffrey, Guiston Degraîme, Myyntti Raatalla, Gölrika Rosenskild, Zwübert von 23:40:11 `2 23:40:12 2/0: 23:40:18 ... 23:40:34 * boily and small positive integers makes three 23:41:22 `5 w 23:41:29 1/1:entschuldigung//Entschuldigung is the German word for blaming something on trees moving by themselves. \ til//TIL that TIL means Today I Learned \ almond bread//Almond bread is a delicacy made from fractal dough. \ england//England is [EXPUNGED]. \ potatoes//You are not allowed to take potatoes to Norway without a special permit. 23:43:27 -!- Zarutian has joined. 23:46:18 <\oren\> `spam 23:46:19 1/1:entschuldigung//Entschuldigung is the German word for blaming something on trees moving by themselves. \ til//TIL that TIL means Today I Learned \ almond bread//Almond bread is a delicacy made from fractal dough. \ england//England is [EXPUNGED]. \ potatoes//You are not allowed to take potatoes to Norway without a special permit. 23:46:31 <\oren\> wuh 23:46:34 <\oren\> `spam 23:46:34 1/1:entschuldigung//Entschuldigung is the German word for blaming something on trees moving by themselves. \ til//TIL that TIL means Today I Learned \ almond bread//Almond bread is a delicacy made from fractal dough. \ england//England is [EXPUNGED]. \ potatoes//You are not allowed to take potatoes to Norway without a special permit. 23:46:36 <\oren\> `spam 23:46:36 1/1:entschuldigung//Entschuldigung is the German word for blaming something on trees moving by themselves. \ til//TIL that TIL means Today I Learned \ almond bread//Almond bread is a delicacy made from fractal dough. \ england//England is [EXPUNGED]. \ potatoes//You are not allowed to take potatoes to Norway without a special permit. 23:48:44 <\oren\> AAAAAAAAAAA𝐀𝐀𝐀𝐀𝐀𝐀𝐀𝔸𝔸𝔸𝔸𝔸𝔸ꜲꜲꜲꜲꜲꜲꜲꜲꜲꜲ 23:49:27 ah yes, that one is my wisdom too 23:50:36 `5 w 23:50:41 1/2:oklopol//oklopol "so i hear these blogs are getting popular, people like writing about their lives and shit. on this thing called the internet which is like a neural network only really stupid." \ trick//A trick learnt is a trick half forgotten. \ lifthrasiir//lifthrasiir is shunned by the rest of his country for being no good at Leag 23:50:58 `spam 23:50:59 2/2:ue of Legends. \ anagram//Interestingly, "Robert Galbraith" is *not* an anagram of "J. K. Rowling". \ bdsmreclist//* oerjan swats quintopia -----### \ Phantom_Hoover: it records all the big hits 23:51:06 I wrote so many stupid wisdomes that they come up often in random wisdoms 23:51:09 <\oren\> アアアＡＡＡ亜亜亜 23:51:28 wob_jonas: Why did you write stupid wisdoms? 23:51:57 shachaf: I think it's because I didn't understand, and still don't understand, what counts as a good wisdom 23:52:16 But here you say that your wisdoms are stupid. 23:52:28 some of them are, in retrospect 23:52:37 but I like most of them 23:52:55 I can't figure out what oerjan counts as a proper wisdom and what he doesn't 23:52:57 <\oren\> oh I forgot: 아아아아아 23:53:00 like, just just added wisdom/life