00:00:11 <\oren\> if(x <- 1) 00:00:30 <\oren\> else if(x <= 1) 00:00:34 Question. If there's an esoteric programming language that has two names, because the original name clashes with the name of a later non-eso programming language, but later got renamed, presumably to avoid this clash, then which name should I use to refer it on the esowiki? 00:01:33 wellob_jonas. the new one, citing the previous name. 00:02:06 boily: ok 00:03:24 indeed it was randall's first hobby 00:03:35 what's the largest dot in unicode? 00:03:48 * oerjan just checked all the first 37 xkcds, including hovertext 00:04:18 <\oren\> (x <~- 1) is to (x < 1) as (x < 1) is to (x <= 1) 00:06:13 something larger than • 00:06:16 izabera: "The Unicode standard does not define glyph images. -- The Unicode standard does not specify the precise shape, size, or orientation of on-screen characters." hth 00:06:19 <\oren\> izabera: ● is pretty big 00:07:16 izabellora. mine is bigger: ⏺ 00:07:35 thanks but my terminal doesn't render it... 00:07:45 -!- hppavilion1 has joined. 00:08:03 boily: ⏺ is much smaller than ● in my font, which sort of proves the point. 00:08:07 <\oren\> ●⏺•・. 00:08:23 izabera: █ should be the biggest 00:08:32 that's not a circle 00:08:40 or a dot or whatever 00:08:44 🔴 00:08:51 <\oren\> ◾ 00:08:51 (I don't know if that even got through.) 00:09:04 <\oren\> it did, but for some reason it's red 00:09:11 <\oren\> stupid emoji 00:09:19 does it have to be a circle? 00:09:24 you said dot 00:09:40 `unidecode 🔴 00:09:41 U+1F534 LARGE RED CIRCLE \ UTF-8: f0 9f 94 b4 UTF-16BE: d83ddd34 Decimal: 🔴 \ 🔴 \ Category: So (Symbol, Other) \ Bidi: ON (Other Neutrals) 00:09:45 It's supposed to be red. 00:09:49 I was just looking for "large". 00:09:55 <\oren\> 🀙 00:10:02 http://imgur.com/a/sWtMq 00:10:47 `unidecode 🞉 00:10:48 U+1F789 EXTREMELY HEAVY WHITE CIRCLE \ UTF-8: f0 9f 9e 89 UTF-16BE: d83ddf89 Decimal: 🞉 \ 🞉 \ Category: So (Symbol, Other) \ Bidi: ON (Other Neutrals) 00:11:04 Judging from the name, that ought to be either pretty big, or at least very dense. 00:11:10 <\oren\> my fon't doesnt have that one 00:11:11 `unidecode ⬤ 00:11:12 [U+2B24 BLACK LARGE CIRCLE] 00:11:19 <\oren\> or that 00:11:39 <\oren\> actually, why doesnt my fon't have it 00:11:49 `` quote int-e | shuf | head -n1 <-- shuf -n 1 hth 00:12:03 <\oren\> wait wtf fingers why are you putting the apostrofe there 00:12:19 There's only six X-X-X-Xtreme characters, and they're all EXTREMELY HEAVY symbols (white circle, white square, greek cross, saltire, five spoked asterisk, six spoked asterisk). 00:13:25 <\oren\> @tell \oren\ 00:13:25 You can tell yourself! 00:13:30 What did the cheap person buy for an engagement ring? U+1f798. 00:13:30 <\oren\> RRGH 00:13:51 how does this look? http://i.imgur.com/Iwpjjo3.png 00:13:53 <\oren\> @remind \oren\ ⬤ 00:13:53 Unknown command, try @list 00:14:20 <\oren\> izabera: off centre 00:14:32 i can't fix that 00:15:18 <\oren\> izabera: try using ･ for the grid 00:15:26 -!- moony has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 00:15:42 <\oren\> instead of . 00:15:54 I think we talked about http://www.unicode.org/L2/L2016/16185-go-symbols.pdf once. 00:16:14 `echo lambdabot: @tell \oren\ ⬤ 00:16:15 lambdabot: @tell \oren\ ⬤ 00:16:15 Consider it noted. 00:16:31 -!- Sgeo has joined. 00:16:43 \oren\: better? http://i.imgur.com/wwlb7B3.png 00:16:48 (It even includes the EXTREMELY HEAVY WHITE CIRCLE. Synchronicity.) 00:16:56 <\oren\> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA 00:17:04 i'll keep the old one 00:17:31 black K 17. 00:17:37 it's white's turn 00:18:00 <\oren\> izabera: i think the root problem is that you don't have a font that supports those characters with a fixed with 00:18:03 <\oren\> width 00:18:17 and if it was black's, k17 is meh 00:19:23 `` cd bin; ls *quot* 00:19:24 5quote \ addquote \ allquotes \ delquote \ pastaquote \ pastenquotes \ pastequotes \ quote \ quotenums \ quotes \ quoth \ randquote 00:19:37 <\oren\> win my font ･○● would work perfectly together 00:19:40 `cat bin/randquote 00:19:41 #!/bin/bash \ quote "$@" | shuf -n 1 00:19:46 shachaf: ^ 00:19:57 `doag bin/randquote 00:19:58 3013:2013-05-31 sed -i \'1i#!/bin/bash\' bin/randquote \ 3012:2013-05-31 echo \'quote "$@" | shuf -n 1\' > bin/randquote \ 3011:2013-05-31 chmod +x bin/randquote \ 3010:2013-05-31 echo \'quote $1 | shuf | head --lines=1\' > bin/randquote 00:20:10 <\oren\> s/win/with|in/ 00:20:34 izabera: I may have missed counting a stone >_>'... and I stand by K17. dubious moves are best moves. 00:21:33 `pastaquote 00:21:34 962) I think pastaquote should just quote me 00:21:37 <\oren\> and with my font you could use ➊➋➌➍➎➏➐➑➒➓➀➁➂➃➄➅➆➇➈➉ to show numbers 00:28:18 -!- MoALTz has quit (Quit: Leaving). 00:34:41 that'd be pretty cool 00:39:17 -!- wob_jonas has quit (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client). 00:40:23 -!- wob_jonas has joined. 00:42:06 -!- DHeadshot has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 00:43:05 -!- LKoen has quit (Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.”). 00:43:28 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Quit: Leaving). 00:50:53 `wisdom 00:50:55 copumpkin//copumpkin is categorically incapable of being president. 00:54:03 -!- sebbu2 has joined. 00:55:22 -!- sebbu has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds). 00:57:19 -!- tromp has joined. 00:59:36 -!- tromp__ has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 01:00:40 -!- prooftechnique has quit (Quit: ZNC http://znc.in). 01:03:42 how capable is copresident of being pumpkin? 01:03:55 copumpkin for copresident 01:14:28 pumpkins taste good. 01:14:36 no they don't 01:15:31 `8ball do pumpkins taste good? 01:15:31 It is certain. 01:15:45 `8ball is boily wrong? 01:15:45 As I see it, yes. 01:15:52 eeeeeh... 01:16:22 `8ball is 8ball consistent? 01:16:22 Without a doubt. 01:16:28 there you have it 01:26:04 -!- Zarutian has quit (Quit: Zarutian). 01:29:03 ^8ball Are you consistent? 01:29:03 No. 01:29:07 Aw. 01:29:38 fungot doesn't need consistency 01:29:38 shachaf: ' been busy'. 01:29:51 ' sure you have'. 01:30:03 fungot: nostril. 01:30:04 boily: jun 30 fnord bistromath fnord: client fnord: zone transfer ' gehennom.org/ in' denied 01:30:15 yup, no sentience tonight. 01:30:32 fungot: whence bathyspheres? 01:30:32 oerjan: it's too difficult. :-p help would be appreciated 01:31:51 hm the only google hit for that phrase is me asking fungot the same thing in 2008. 01:31:52 oerjan: for 30 years esoteric exists in outer space. sometimes they kidnap people." there? 01:32:09 `8ball is fungot consistent? 01:32:10 shachaf: no such factoid i added every user on this channel. 01:32:10 Yes. 01:32:47 i vaguely think i got it from someone's .sig, way back. 01:33:09 but google doesn't give usenet results... 01:35:00 grepping my Mail directory gave nothing, although i think some of the oldest files are zipped. 01:36:17 fungot: are you an eldritch horror from outer space? 01:36:18 boily: http://rafb.net/ fnord) returns a computation whose value is the tick they expire. bought a domain or something else. 01:36:53 oerjan: did you try google book search hth 01:37:19 fungot: Whose money are you using to buy "domains or something"? 01:37:19 fizzie: there really wouldn't be needed as you say, that it has a " poop on toast", as you 01:37:58 fungot makes a good point 01:37:59 shachaf: " partially" i noticed my book _is_ listed on amazon. 01:38:57 https://books.google.com/books?id=enmvCwAAQBAJ&pg=PA93 hth 01:39:17 shachaf: now i did. still no results with quotes. 01:39:38 well, the one i linked is only off by one letter 01:40:13 well it's not what i'm looking for. 01:40:53 `8ball Is it what oerjan is looking for? 01:40:54 Of course it is. 01:41:42 SKEPTICAL 01:42:09 -!- krok_ has quit (Quit: Leaving). 01:42:55 good night 01:43:17 -!- wob_jonas has quit (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client). 01:43:27 `8ball Should oerjan be skeptical? 01:43:27 That will not be necessary. 01:49:25 `wisdom 01:49:27 -!- hppavilion1 has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 01:49:27 output// 01:50:07 `8ball is oerjan getting suspicious? 01:50:08 That is slowly becoming the case. 01:52:05 * boily looks shiftily at oerjan 01:53:58 `8ball will oerjan swat me for this? 01:53:59 That seems plausible. 01:55:28 `dowg output 01:55:30 5880:2015-08-02 revert \ 5879:2015-08-02 rm wisdom/output \ 3516:2013-08-28 touch wisdom/output 01:58:30 Why the revert? 01:58:48 i'm sure there must have been a reason. 01:58:55 it's very suspicious. oh no... 01:59:33 oerjan: In addition to asking fungot that in 2008, you also asked the channel in general in 2011. 01:59:33 fizzie: it was the decision to use c... oh wait. continuations probably not in the book-box. 01:59:57 fizzie: google didn't show that 02:00:03 Yes, I don't know why. 02:00:26 well, tunes has robots.txt. 02:01:45 oerjan: http://sprunge.us/dAMb 02:02:23 Google found one IRC occurrence but not the other. 02:03:09 afair it's always been spotty. 02:05:35 `8ball does oerjan recall correctly? 02:05:36 Don't count on it. 02:05:46 -!- Generic has joined. 02:06:08 Need help with school Survey https://goo.gl/forms/Vut15Gyx19HXm81u1 02:06:30 -!- Generic has quit (Quit: Leaving). 02:28:49 -!- boily has quit (Quit: GLEAMING CHICKEN). 02:50:09 -!- sebbu2 has changed nick to sebbu. 03:13:27 <\oren\> AAAAAAAAAAAAAA 03:14:15 <\oren\> I hate fonts where Θ looks like Ⓗ 03:15:08 `icode Ⓗ 03:15:08 [U+24BD CIRCLED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER H] 03:15:28 `icode Θ 03:15:28 [U+0398 GREEK CAPITAL LETTER THETA] 03:16:07 <\oren\> actually I should fix the appearance of Θ in my font, it looks weird 03:16:07 * oerjan seems to have one 03:30:57 <\oren\> @mesages-lod 03:30:57 HackEgo said 3h 14m 42s ago: ⬤ 03:31:16 <\oren\> `unicode ⬤ 03:31:17 U+2B24 BLACK LARGE CIRCLE \ UTF-8: e2 ac a4 UTF-16BE: 2b24 Decimal: ⬤ \ ⬤ \ Category: So (Symbol, Other) \ Bidi: ON (Other Neutrals) 03:47:32 -!- hppavilion1 has joined. 03:50:59 http://arin.ga/cligo1.mp4 spammy preview of my go client 03:53:08 -!- tromp has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 03:53:58 -!- tromp has joined. 04:04:16 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: Nite). 04:34:19 -!- Perenelle has joined. 04:48:33 -!- Perenelle has quit (Quit: Bye). 05:41:33 -!- Jafet has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 05:56:56 <\oren\> anyway I already complained that the growth rate of the test time is going to be n^2 with the number of features implemented 06:10:06 http://arin.ga/cligo2.mp4 spam spam and more spam 06:24:24 <\oren\> ϐϑϰϖϱϒϕ 06:24:47 <\oren\> ϐ ϑ ϰ ϖ ϱ ϒ ϕ 06:24:55 <\oren\> WTF 06:35:20 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 06:35:55 -!- augur has joined. 06:40:35 -!- augur has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 06:42:10 huh? 06:47:21 Looks like an interesting theorem you're working on there. 07:23:44 -!- doesthiswork has quit (Quit: Leaving.). 07:32:36 -!- augur has joined. 07:45:53 -!- hppavilion1 has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 07:53:45 -!- Jafet has joined. 09:06:38 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 09:07:14 -!- augur has joined. 09:15:50 -!- augur has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 09:35:36 -!- kiki` has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity). 10:00:27 -!- kiki` has joined. 10:10:34 -!- DHeadshot has joined. 10:16:01 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 10:17:50 -!- DHeadshot has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 10:18:18 -!- DHeadshot has joined. 10:40:06 -!- DHeadshot has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 10:43:01 -!- FreeFull has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds). 11:03:18 -!- tromp__ has joined. 11:06:41 -!- tromp has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 11:33:26 -!- boily has joined. 11:37:22 `wisdom 11:37:24 imaginary unit//The imaginary unit is what you get when you take the square root of love 12:20:07 http://www.blink.sh/ 12:20:14 ARGH I started to write an article about an esolang, but I can't just make it a stub, it's getting long and there's still a lot of things I have to write about, even though I'm not trying to give a complete description in any sense. 12:20:23 you can buy it for $20 on itunes, or you can compile it yourself 12:20:25 for free 12:20:36 and spend an afternoon trying to build it before giving up 12:20:48 This happens with EVERY esolangs, which is why I have like ten esolangs on my TODO and can't just create short stubs for them that juts direct people to the right place. 12:21:41 I know this happens to some other people too, but damn it's annoying. 12:24:47 -!- boily has quit (Quit: TERMINAL CHICKEN). 12:44:27 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in). 12:46:20 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 12:47:04 -!- FreeFull has joined. 13:05:37 -!- idris-bot has joined. 14:00:30 -!- doesthiswork has joined. 14:12:15 -!- heroux has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 14:12:33 -!- heroux has joined. 14:17:11 -!- Zarutian has joined. 15:01:24 -!- nycs has joined. 15:14:48 -!- LKoen has joined. 15:18:58 -!- thamus has joined. 15:19:16 -!- thamus has left ("Once you know what it is you want to be true, instinct is a very useful device for enabling you to know that it is"). 15:20:15 -!- oerjan has joined. 15:23:00 `dowg imaginary unit 15:23:02 6374:2015-12-11 le/rn imaginary unit/The imaginary unit is what you get when you take the square root of love 15:23:20 sounds like a surreal number 15:30:04 fizzie: i thought i already hinted to you that the wiki bridge might be down, although admittedly that was _before_ anyone had made new edits... 15:30:33 (and possibly before it actually went down, then) 15:32:44 -!- Zarutian has quit (Quit: Zarutian). 15:35:52 `xkcdwhatiflist 15:35:53 /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: xkcdwhatiflist: not found 15:36:24 i guess it's 154, the number is a bit awkward to get to. 15:36:52 `makelist xkcdwhatiflist oerjan b_jonas 15:36:54 makelistlist xkcdwhatiflist oerjan b_jonas: shachaf 15:37:02 wat 15:37:04 oh 15:37:14 wait 15:37:20 stupid syntax 15:37:25 `revert 15:37:27 Done. 15:37:36 `` makelist xkcdwhatiflist oerjan b_jonas 15:37:38 makelistlist xkcdwhatiflist: shachaf 15:38:17 ``cat bin/makelist 15:38:17 /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: `cat: not found 15:38:23 `cat bin/makelist 15:38:23 name="$1"; file="bin/$name"; makelistlist "$name"; shift; cp bin/emptylist "$file"; for n in "$@"; do echo "$n" >> "$file"; done 15:39:25 oerjan: I think it's mklist, not makelist 15:39:35 no, it's definitely makelist 15:39:37 ``` cat bin/mklist 15:39:38 cat: bin/mklist: No such file or directory 15:39:40 hmm 15:39:57 i just didn't remember that adding names required `` 15:39:57 oh right, makelist did work 15:40:07 it even triggered the makelistlist 15:41:19 -!- DHeadshot has joined. 15:45:55 `cat bin/mk 15:45:56 [[ "$1" == ?*//* ]] || { echo usage: "mk[x]" file//contents >&2; exit 1; }; key="${1%%//*}"; value="${1#*//}"; echo "$value" > "$(echo-p "$key")" && echo "$key" 15:46:19 `? mk 15:46:20 mk? ¯\(°_o)/¯ 15:46:31 `? make 15:46:32 make? ¯\(°_o)/¯ 15:46:33 `? makelist 15:46:34 makelist? ¯\(°_o)/¯ 15:46:38 `? listlist 15:46:39 listlist? ¯\(°_o)/¯ 15:46:41 `? list 15:46:42 list is a fun program that HackEgo has! Run it with `list and join the fun! 15:46:50 `list 15:46:53 b_jonas: i was actually just looking at the code to copy it 15:46:55 quintopïa Zarutiän jeffl3̈5 BlueProtomän fizzïe hppavilion[1̈] Phantom_Hoovër int-̈e b_jonäs boil̈y a`a`a`a`jo7äs a`a`a`a`jo8äs a`a`a`a`jo3äs a`a`a`a`jo6äs a`a`a`a`jo5äs a`a`a`a`jo4äs a`a`a`a`jo2äs a`a`a`a`jo1äs a`a`a`a`jonas̈0 a`a`a`̈a lambdaböt chicken_jonäs mynam̈e 15:48:37 `sled bin/makelist//s,^,if [[ "$1" == *" "* ]]; then exec makelist $@; fi;, 15:48:39 bin/makelist//if [[ "$1" == *" "* ]]; then exec makelist $@; fi;name="$1"; file="bin/$name"; makelistlist "$name"; shift; cp bin/emptylist "$file"; for n in "$@"; do echo "$n" >> "$file"; done 15:48:56 `makelist makelisttest hi ho 15:48:58 makelistlist makelisttest: shachaf 15:49:06 `makelisttest hm 15:49:07 makelisttest hm: hi ho 15:49:22 `revert 15:49:23 Done. 15:49:32 `cat bin/listlist 15:49:33 #!/bin/sh \ set -e \ export LANG=C \ cd /hackenv/bin;exec ls -dF *[lL]ist* 15:49:39 ah 15:49:57 ISMPLE 15:50:10 `cat bin/listlistlist 15:50:11 cat: bin/listlistlist: No such file or directory 15:50:18 `cat bin/makelistlistlist 15:50:18 cat: bin/makelistlistlist: No such file or directory 15:52:00 `sled bin/makelist//s,fi;,& , 15:52:02 bin/makelist//if [[ "$1" == *" "* ]]; then exec makelist $@; fi; name="$1"; file="bin/$name"; makelistlist "$name"; shift; cp bin/emptylist "$file"; for n in "$@"; do echo "$n" >> "$file"; done 15:54:00 -!- Zarutian has joined. 15:54:24 i figure spaces in list names are useless anyway 15:54:55 -!- Zarutian has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 15:55:04 -!- Zarutian has joined. 15:55:47 -!- LKoen has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 15:55:55 -!- mroman has joined. 16:01:11 . o O ( hm should i have used && ) 16:03:03 `` echo 'I should have used &&. ' | sed 's/.*/&&/' 16:03:04 I should have used &&. I should have used &&. 16:03:48 . o O ( now make it a quine ) 16:05:17 indeed, if i had i'd probably have made error. 16:05:23 *that error 16:05:40 why do the words exist in my head bu not my fingers 16:05:45 also letters 16:06:01 * oerjan loads the muphry gun 16:12:08 -!- mroman has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 16:12:31 -!- mroman has joined. 16:14:46 -!- mroman has quit (Client Quit). 16:17:40 . o O ( shouldn't "at those low temperatures" be "at those low pressures" in the latest whatif ) 16:20:05 -!- LKoen has joined. 16:22:34 `` sed -e$'s/.*/&<<<\x22&\x22/'<<<"sed -e$'s/.*/&<<<\x22&\x22/'" 16:22:35 sed -e$'s/.*/&<<<\x22&\x22/'<<<"sed -e$'s/.*/&<<<\x22&\x22/'" 16:23:04 ooh 16:23:27 * oerjan wasn't actually expecting you to do it, but then this _is_ #esoteric 16:24:30 (it's kind of cheating because it's relying on both bash and sed to do some of the work... but I'm not feeling bad about that) 16:25:08 `ls quines 16:25:09 c \ cat \ ciol \ haskell \ perl \ python \ q \ q2 \ ruby \ slashes 16:25:11 `` sed -e$'s/.*/&<<<\42&\42/'<<<"sed -e$'s/.*/&<<<\42&\42/'" 16:25:11 sed -e$'s/.*/&<<<\42&\42/'<<<"sed -e$'s/.*/&<<<\42&\42/'" 16:25:18 42 is nicer than 0x22 ;-) 16:25:28 (0o42 that is) 16:26:20 `mkx quines/sed&bash//sed -e$'s/.*/&<<<\42&\42/'<<<"sed -e$'s/.*/&<<<\42&\42/'" 16:26:22 quines/sed&bash 16:26:31 `quines/sed&bash 16:26:32 sed -e$'s/.*/&<<<\42&\42/'<<<"sed -e$'s/.*/&<<<\42&\42/'" 16:27:32 we have a quines directory? I have a few quines I wrote. many in perl or J, a few in C, two or three in sqlite, a few in other languages 16:27:34 How does that work? 16:28:13 `le/rn mk//`mk[x] FILE//CONTENT is a nice way to create a single line file with a single irc command. x makes it executable. 16:28:15 Learned 'mk': `mk[x] FILE//CONTENT is a nice way to create a single line file with a single irc command. x makes it executable. 16:28:22 I mean the quine 16:28:24 Taneb: in sed s command, and ampersand in the substitution text is replaced by the whole match of the regex 16:29:31 oerjan: nice quine by the way 16:29:35 um 16:29:38 int-e: nice quine 16:29:38 b_jonas: thanks 16:30:31 `quines/haskell 16:30:31 main=putStr s>>print s;s="main=putStr s>>print s;s=" 16:31:05 (this has the same basic structure to my mind) 16:31:14 I see 16:33:06 I should collect all my quines somewhere, because currently I'm keeping them all around various wobsites and mailing lists and stuff, and keep having to search for them 16:34:37 by the way 16:35:11 shachaf, oerjan: the languages in the two entries I recently added to the esowiki, do they count as esoteric on topic stuff? 16:35:30 (I don't care if they count as languages, because the esowiki has non-language articles too. I'm asking if they're esoteric.) 16:36:16 i think they count as background articles, at least 16:38:38 There are about ten more languages I should write about, listed on my user page, but I'm lazy. 16:38:53 s/, / / 16:39:16 . o O ( what's polyunsaturated ) 16:42:51 oerjan: the original TAOCP advertises MIX with the tagline that it's "the world's first polyunsaturated computer", which is supposed to be a parody of margarine advertisments at that time, 16:43:29 and that's a good guess, because even after 50 years, margarine is sometimes advertised by how it has unsaturated fats, which is healthy for your heart or something, 16:43:39 except these days they also say it has trans fats. 16:44:08 And the descriptions of MMIX by Knuth play on this. 16:44:22 ah 16:44:48 i knew the fat meaning, but didn't understand it was a joke 16:45:36 I don't know if there's a hidden meaning about computer architecture, I don't think there is 16:45:59 seems the xkcd forum is already all over the temperature/pressure mistake 16:46:42 oerjan: wait, there's a second new xkcdwhatif? nobody told me 16:46:46 I saw only 153 16:46:50 but there's a 154 out 16:47:03 b_jonas: what did you think my makelist noise above was about :P 16:47:30 admittedly you weren't pinged by the original, because the list didn't exist yet 16:47:39 `xkcdwhatiflist 154 16:47:40 xkcdwhatiflist 154: oerjan b_jonas 16:47:41 THERE 16:48:00 oh, have whatifs gone irregular? 16:48:05 oerjan, can you add me to that list please 16:48:12 int-e: they have been irregular a long time 16:48:21 oerjan: I did say `xkcdwhatiflist 153 back then. even if the program doesn't exist, someone might have set a watch/highlight on ^`xkcdwhatiflist in the channel directly 16:48:27 int-e: had a really long hiatus 16:48:29 I have not followed xkcdwhatif updates in a long time 16:48:35 `sled bin/xkcdwhatiflist//$aTaneb 16:48:37 bin/xkcdwhatiflist//echo -n "$(basename "$0")${@:+ }$@: "; tail -n+2 "$0" | xargs; exit \ oerjan \ b_jonas \ Taneb 16:48:40 oops 16:48:45 oerjan: so I assumed you made the list because of 153 16:48:48 i guess i shouldn't use that 16:48:57 oerjan: isn't there some canned command for that? 16:49:04 `` echo bin/add* 16:49:06 bin/addquote bin/addscowrevs bin/addtodo 16:49:13 `` echo bin/list* 16:49:13 int-e: i've forgotten if so :P 16:49:14 bin/list bin/listen bin/listlist 16:49:20 maybe not 16:49:32 i think people usually just use echo >> 16:49:43 yeah, echo >>foolist is the usual method 16:49:45 i wanted to be clever but that pings 16:49:55 *sled pings 16:50:17 `that 16:50:18 /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: that: not found 16:50:25 (scnr) 16:51:02 by the way, if you accept https://www.xkcd.com/397/ which says that Mythbusters is sloppy with its actual science, but still valuable because they teach the basic principle of experiments, 16:51:28 then the logical conclusion is that xkcdwhatif is completely worthless, since it is sloppy with its actual science and doesn't do experiments at all 16:52:32 b_jonas, it creates excitement about science 16:52:53 its not worthless. it is a good basic primer in fermi estimation 16:53:04 yeah, I know it's not worthless 16:53:22 so you agree that 397 is wrong 16:53:37 quintopia, I believe 397 is correct but incomplete 16:53:43 so do I 16:53:47 b_jonas: i did indeed see your `xkcdwhatiflist 153. although i had already seen the whatif itself, since i usually check it on fridays. 16:53:49 it's certainly much better than the unresearched fast media articles that http://www.phdcomics.com/comics/archive.php?comicid=1174 describes, 16:53:56 but that's what you'd think from xkcd 397 16:54:21 oerjan: on fridays? but it used to be posted on wednesdays originally, when it was regular 16:54:59 the main xkcd is sort of still regular: it is posted on almost every monday, wednesday, friday, but is often late 16:55:08 I still need to make the article about COMPLEX not a stub 16:55:21 so it looks more like it's posted tuesday, thursday, saturday and backdated these days 16:55:27 Irregular Webcomic updated an hour late yesterday! 16:55:31 I was distraught 16:55:51 oh, that reminds me, esowiki question: 16:56:15 if I want to create an article for Knuth's MIX too, what should its title be, or what should the existing [[MIX]] get renamed? 16:56:39 `? scnr 16:56:40 "MIX (Knuth)"? 16:56:40 scnr? ¯\(°_o)/¯ 16:56:56 Taneb: but isn't Knuth's the one that deserves the unparenthisized title? 16:57:11 that is the way we usually handle this taneb 16:57:24 b_jonas, background information is less important than an actual esolang 16:57:27 b_jonas: both should be parenthesized 16:57:33 -!- digitalcold has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 16:57:51 Alternatively, merge it into the article on MMIX, and move that to MIX and MMIX 16:58:05 see e.g. Clue (Keymaker) and Clue (Oklopol) 16:58:17 Taneb: I think MIX and MMIX are an actual esolang, since they are intended for purposes other than writing production programs in them 16:58:46 Taneb: did you notice that iwc (and also postcard) updated _twice_ on wednesday? 16:58:46 as opposed to perl, which has a much uglier designed, but was always intended for real uses 16:59:03 b_jonas, then are Scratch and BASIC esolangs also, as they are designed for education like MMIX 16:59:07 oerjan, I did not! 16:59:14 oerjan, most irregular 16:59:30 Taneb: I don't think merging MIX and MMIX would be a good idea, they're so different (that's why there was a need for a new system in first place) 16:59:40 That is a good point 16:59:49 b_jonas: i do it on fridays out of habit because when i checked it on wednesdays it was often too early 17:00:00 Taneb: I think BASIC wasn't only intended for education, but because they could implement it in very small microcomputers with small RAM 17:00:05 Lisp too 17:00:13 um 17:00:17 forget lisp 17:00:19 BASIC at least 17:00:26 I don't know about Scratch or Logo stuff 17:00:59 wait, scratch _esolangs_? 17:01:14 wait wait wait wait, 17:01:35 oerjan: way inbon the wiki naming issue please 17:01:40 oerjan: what? twice? no way 17:01:44 *weigh in on 17:01:46 a (derivative of (a programming language designed to teach children how to program without the issues of syntax)) intentionally designed to be >esoteric did I read that right? 17:02:38 oerjan: wow indeed, it did post two reruns. I didn't notice 17:02:46 I totally missed the first one 17:04:00 thanks for mentioning 17:04:25 Taneb: fortunately, i obsessively always load the previous comic to check if i've missed one :P 17:05:01 (although that gets a bit intertwined with the separate new/rerun threads) 17:05:53 oerjan: sometimes I do that, but I still think I missed some normal updates occasionally 17:06:47 also, you'd think people would point out the double update on the forums 17:07:40 * b_jonas checks the alternate universe Darths & Droids strips -- no, they didn't also give an update to those to replace the missing update 17:08:13 -!- digitalcold has joined. 17:08:39 I totally missed the first one <-- perhaps you should make the forum thread for it, others may have missed it too (unless someone did since last i looked) 17:09:55 oerjan: so is the flame about temperature vs perssure about in 154 the phrase "ice isn't even stable at those low temperatures", or is it about the inaccuracies in 153 of the asymptotics when the hole is deep? 17:14:35 b_jonas: postcard also updated twice. i don't quite remember about sromg. 17:14:53 oh i think dinosaur whiteboard did too 17:15:08 oerjan: I don't follow postcard, and I'm quite sure planet didn't double-post 17:15:32 yeah, the weekly ones didn't. 17:15:38 oerjan: can you feedback about [[MIX]] naming? 17:15:53 i think knuth's MIX shouldn't get the main name. 17:16:36 b_jonas: it's not a flame, but it's the ice thing 17:16:46 (i haven't checked the other thread) 17:16:49 oerjan: ok, what then? [[MIX]] disambig page? 17:17:19 ([[x86]], [[GHC]], [[GCC]] have a non-eso and an eso meaning, that's different) 17:19:14 i'm not very firm on whether to use disambig page or hatnote. 17:20:15 ok 17:21:28 I should try to do slippery slope on this, by making a new esoteric language named Intercal, refuse to call it any other name, and demand that it gets the [[Intercal]] title because it's clearly more esoteric than Intercal 17:21:55 i don't think so. 17:22:36 oh, I should do it with Brainfuck instead 17:22:39 not Intercal 17:32:38 just don't make it a derivative 17:37:29 of course not. that would defeat the point 17:38:16 I hate the brainfuck derivatives, and there's an idea for an esolang I had wanted to make for a while, but the most elegant way I could make it is to make it a brainfuck variant, and I don't want that. 17:38:41 I think a disambiguation page could be good idea 17:38:45 I should probably just make it an underload variant. 17:38:50 zzo38: ok 17:40:11 b_jonas: pretty sure you posted that in the wrong thread hth 17:40:19 I alto think that on the article for MMIX they should also be added the list of the instruction set. 17:40:28 -!- sebbu2 has joined. 17:40:48 oerjan: yeah. there wasn't a suitable one 17:40:56 "Bugs"? 17:41:01 zzo38: sorry? 17:41:15 oerjan: it's a feature, not a bug 17:41:20 OKAY 17:41:36 also, posts in the Bugs thread tend to get deleted when DMM fixes the bug 17:41:39 I don't want that 17:41:45 -!- Cale has joined. 17:41:54 If you want to make a new esoteric language named Intercal that gets the [[Intercal]] title, I think that should be fine as long as it also contains a link at the top to [[INTERCAL]] in case that is what you were looking for instead. 17:42:04 zzo38: I don't understand what you say about MMIX and instruction set 17:42:37 b_jonas: I mean the table of the instructions should be included. 17:43:07 -!- sebbu has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 17:43:15 -!- idris-bot has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 17:43:38 zzo38: I could add one but why? 17:44:28