< 1486944671 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1486944837 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1486945642 0 :tromp__!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486945737 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1486946234 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1486946331 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`url quotes < 1486946332 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/quotes < 1486946352 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quoerjan < 1486946353 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1034) this new apartment stuff has interesting side effects: i'm now getting physical spam. < 1486946355 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 1310 < 1486946356 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1310) boily: i haven't cited these because i don't understand how to program without becoming a rainbow < 1486946366 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/pastequotes < 1486946367 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/sh \ if [ "$1" ]; then quote "$1"; else allquotes; fi | paste < 1486946444 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`sled bin/pastequotes//s,; e.*, | paste; else url quotes; fi, < 1486946446 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin/pastequotes//#!/bin/sh \ if [ "$1" ]; then quote "$1" | paste; else url quotes; fi < 1486946461 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastequotes < 1486946462 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/quotes < 1486946477 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's got line numbers anyway < 1486946529 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i suppose the raw version won't. < 1486946591 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess we can revert if anyone complains. < 1486946603 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Physical spam is not covered by CAN-SPAM. :-( < 1486946621 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's CAN-SPAM < 1486946648 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in norway, you can avoid most physical spam by putting a little sticker on your mailbox saying you don't want it. < 1486946649 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :US law regulating commercial email. < 1486946663 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It requires things like opt-out links. < 1486946685 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although that's because the way norwegian mail ads work, they aren't usually personally addressed. < 1486946696 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAN-SPAM_Act_of_2003#The_mechanics_of_CAN-SPAM < 1486946701 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect you benefit from it too? < 1486946703 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they just dump a copy into every mailbox that doesn't have the sticker. < 1486946735 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the US postal service is primarily funded by spam or something. < 1486946760 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno. i'm generally assuming spam is so fishy that clicking any links in it, including opt-out links, will make it worse. < 1486946788 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, blatant spam won't care about CAN-SPAM anyway. < 1486946798 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1486946807 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if you get signed up to some semi-legitimate mailing list "accidentally", you can remove yourself. < 1486946830 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is, how do you know it's semi-legitimate < 1486946861 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example, it's sent from a company that you ordered something from once. < 1486946879 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been told that here in the UK, you can't opt out of Royal Mail delivering those ads that are addressed to generic terms like "The Occupant" or "The Homeowner". < 1486946889 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or a theatre where you went to see a play once and made the mistake of providing your email address? < 1486946914 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure norwegian mail is much ad-funded, as it seems to me _most_ mailboxes (but not all) have the stickers. < 1486946923 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: But you're not the homeowner, are you? < 1486946934 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or did you buy that prime London real estate you were eyeing? < 1486946935 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, but I still throw those in the trash. < 1486946973 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Opting out of Royal Mail's Door to Door service -- The opt out service only relates to unaddressed mail. Royal Mail is still legally obliged to deliver all addressed mail, which includes mail that is addressed “To the Occupier” (or with any other generic recipient information), as well as mail that is personally addressed to you by name." < 1486946999 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( someone might try to sue the royal mail for environmental damage ) < 1486947000 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd guesstimate half of the physical spam we get is of that type. < 1486947010 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :The other half is things like pizza delivery company ads. < 1486947031 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: oh. so it still needs your actual _address_, but they don't need to know your name? < 1486947041 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1486947061 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :My information is apparently available via voter registration records. Kind of scow if you ask me. < 1486947074 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got a bunch of mail saying I hadn't voted yet and therefore I should vote for X and Y. < 1486947079 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that's an incentive to vote early. < 1486947104 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think political ads are covered by the stickers :P < 1486947107 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i,i vote early and vote often < 1486947140 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here there's something called the electoral roll (or register), which you have to be on, but you can opt out of the "open register", which is the subset they sell to advertisers. < 1486947169 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Berkeley, CA is rather unrepresentative of the country as a whole, voting-wise. < 1486947207 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :We got that governmental Brexit leaflet even though we weren't allowed to vote in the referendum. < 1486947219 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who's we? < 1486947239 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Myself and my wife. < 1486947259 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i,i http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0223.html < 1486947273 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps you were being advised to make a brexit < 1486947291 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :"brexit" is probably a keyword in some language. < 1486947301 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? brexit < 1486947302 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :brexit is a command to forcefully exit, releasing 1GB of free space. < 1486947314 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486947322 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would assume it's like break, except exit if there's no enclosing scope to break. < 1486947324 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloily < 1486947337 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellørjan! < 1486947340 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar CYUL < 1486947340 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYUL 130042Z 07011KT 1SM R06L/P6000FT/D R06R/P6000FT/D -SN DRSN OVC016 M03/M05 A2970 RMK SN2ST6 SLP062 < 1486947348 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar EGLL < 1486947349 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :EGLL 130050Z AUTO 08012KT 3200 HZ BKN009 05/04 Q1023 < 1486947350 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mon cul que -SN. < 1486947362 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a fungotting snowstorm outside. < 1486947363 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: 4.4 megs of articles, that's like so rare. < 1486947370 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: 4.4 tons of snow, you mean. < 1486947371 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: how do you escape parens with sexprs? is it used? something like that safely, but it likes to manufacture ' tension'. < 1486947374 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here it's apparently 3.2 kilohertz of weather. < 1486947388 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently my information is at least 10 years out of date. < 1486947406 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it's not a new thing. < 1486947408 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: fizzie being married isn't exactly news. < 1486947439 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie's married? < 1486947450 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's come up many times before. < 1486947464 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got our wedding photo in the Finnish IRC user registry, you know. < 1486947501 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote wife < 1486947503 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the other hand, he _is_ the only person on the channel that i remember being married. although i remember there _are_ others. < 1486947558 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are others here. < 1486947561 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And there have been more. < 1486947580 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Roujo is married. at least last time I heard about him. < 1486947605 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1486947615 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo: hmph < 1486947615 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(at least this part of) norway is having one of those strange winter dry spells again < 1486947618 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486947622 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote wife < 1486947623 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :932) The other day (well, the other week) my wife was annoyed with me because she had a dream where I had gotten us plane tickets into a #esoteric meet somewhere in the middle of Greenland in the winter, without asking her first. Plus she wasn't really interested in a #esoteric meet at all, let alone one in Greenland, let alone one in Gree < 1486947641 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`2 quote wife < 1486947642 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2/2:ne one in Greenland in wintertime. (I think it's kind of cold there?) < 1486947653 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I vaguely remember that. < 1486947675 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/1 < 1486947676 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​\` "$@" |& sport < 1486947693 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: There should be a version of sport that only uses spam if some text wouldn't fit into one line. < 1486947697 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then quote should use it? < 1486947705 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe people should just not use long quotes. < 1486947778 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric : What I do is in this sort of arguments (well, usually it's my wife claiming some word I'm using is not a "proper word"), I write a convincing-looking web page and open it as file:/// in my browser. < 1486947819 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :To be entirely honest, I've only done that once or twice, and it has so far failed to convince. < 1486947840 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The cool kids use data: < 1486947865 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like this: https://www.wordfence.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/dataURI.png < 1486947867 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can never remember how the syntax goes. < 1486947869 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very convincing. < 1486947881 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :data:mime/type,content < 1486947919 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless you want base64 or something. < 1486947937 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it's the comma vs. semicolon thing. < 1486947951 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because then it's data:mime/type;base64,data. < 1486947955 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1486947960 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you use Google 2-Step Verification? < 1486947973 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, with the Authenticator app. < 1486947994 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What would you do if you were traveling and all your possessions were stolen? < 1486948010 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Curse a little, I think. < 1486948018 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :In which language? < 1486948029 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can only do it well in Finnish. < 1486948072 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have anything too important tied to my Google account, I don't think. < 1486948079 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's my primary email account. < 1486948088 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Therefore it's nearly every Internet account I have. < 1486948126 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I decided to memorize two backup codes. < 1486948144 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder whether I should memorize my TOTP secret instead? < 1486948165 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have a good backup strategy for the things I actually use, because they require an SSH key. < 1486948281 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :And a pretty special port-knocking thing too, I'm not sure I could write that from scratch either. < 1486948438 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you chain and compose curses together in Finnish? < 1486948555 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That reminds me: How should I generate passwords from a master password and per-account name? < 1486948687 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: I don't think you can in a particularly special way. I mean, you can list several without having any grammar to tie them together, and it sounds quite natural. < 1486948708 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I thought some hashing was usually involved. < 1486948715 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1486948718 0 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/oswg-member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1486948737 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If my master password is good, is there a benefit to using a slow hash function like bcrypt? < 1486948773 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What sort of alphabet should my per-account passwords consist of? Maybe just /[a-z]+/? < 1486948784 0 :jix_!~jix@jixco.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1486948790 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :How should I generate a password from the output of whatever hash function? < 1486948896 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if base62 might be a good idea. < 1486948956 0 :jix!~jix@jixco.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1486948959 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the benefit of uppercase letters? < 1486948996 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the benefit is more entropy for a given length. But is it worth the cost? < 1486949015 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it depends on whether you have to type those passwords or not. < 1486949025 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Harder to remember, much longer if you count shift as a keystroke, harder to type on a phone... < 1486949037 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I type some passwords out. < 1486949148 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example, say you generate a 15-character lowercase password. < 1486949155 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( du dævern hain steike førbainna ijnn i svarte hælvete kor vi nordlændinga kainn kjed sammen bainnord ) < 1486949156 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> logBase 2 (26^15) < 1486949158 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 70.50659577211638 < 1486949186 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you allow upercase letters, that's just one bit per character. < 1486949188 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> logBase 2 (52^15) < 1486949191 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 85.50659577211638 < 1486949199 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> logBase 2 (26^27) < 1486949201 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er. < 1486949202 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 126.9118723898095 < 1486949203 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> logBase 2 (26^17) < 1486949206 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 79.90747520839858 < 1486949210 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> logBase 2 (26^18) < 1486949212 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 84.60791492653966 < 1486949223 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you could get the same entropy with ~3 more letters. < 1486949272 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, if you type them it might not be worth it. Although a number of sites insist on having at least one uppercase letter and one digit. < 1486949297 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but you can get around that requirement with a mechanical transformation of the password. < 1486949312 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No need to remember a more complicated password. < 1486949583 0 :ChatSharp!~ChatSharp@stc.66.70.188.95.dsl.krasnet.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1486949651 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome ChatSharp < 1486949652 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​07ChatSharp: 08Welcome 09to 02the 06international 13hub 04for 07esoteric 08programming 09language 02design 06and 13deployment! 04For 07more 08information, 09check 02out 06our 13wiki: 04. 07(For 08the 09other 02kind 06of 13esoterica, 04try 07#esoteric 08on 09EFnet 02or 06DALnet.) < 1486949665 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ChatsHarp? < 1486949677 0 :ChatSharp!~ChatSharp@stc.66.70.188.95.dsl.krasnet.ru PART #esoteric : < 1486949726 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cat Harp. < 1486949764 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :un cabot < 1486949770 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION plays it < 1486949775 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :How to play the autoharp. < 1486949809 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't remember where that's from. < 1486949840 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? fizzie < 1486949841 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie is not fnord with a monad but the sneaky canary king of #esoteric, see https://zem.fi/static/img/square_fizzie_320px_white.jpg < 1486949877 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slwd fizzie//s.king.prime minister. < 1486949879 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Google is not being helpful. I think it was some other song that mentioned the autoharp. < 1486949879 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie//fizzie is not fnord with a monad but the sneaky canary prime minister of #esoteric, see https://zem.fi/static/img/square_fizzie_320px_white.jpg < 1486949971 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if fizzie ain't royal anymore, who's the new king? < 1486950014 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie is a republican, i think < 1486950031 0 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/oswg-member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1486950106 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :s:\ < 1486950161 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :QUINTHELLOPIA:\> < 1486950277 0 :hppavilion2!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1486950368 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi dur < 1486950370 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do < 1486950479 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :guzzling diet coke. < 1486950542 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? #esoteric < 1486950543 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#esoteric is the only channel that exists. After monqy left it became slightly off-centër. It's a 7-codimensional hyperenchilada about 30 m (100 ft) across. oerjan seems to be making a lawn in the northern part, but it keeps getting dug up by free ranging moons. Currently located in the Atlantis Exclusion Zone. < 1486950593 0 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1486950686 0 :ChatSharp!~ChatSharp@stc.66.70.188.95.dsl.krasnet.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1486950776 0 :ChatSharp!~ChatSharp@stc.66.70.188.95.dsl.krasnet.ru PART #esoteric : < 1486951515 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486951882 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: KNOWING CHICKEN < 1486952659 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486953295 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1486953302 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes helo < 1486953545 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1486953901 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is QUIT :Quit: Zarutian < 1486954817 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486955056 0 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1486955213 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Imminent flood in california, sacramento < 1486955565 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1486955576 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :immanent eschaton < 1486955625 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is another idea of making a Magic: the Gathering card: 1/1 ;; Defender, Banding ;; Combat damage dealt to ~ is redirected to you. < 1486955714 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1486955776 0 :hppavilion2!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486955866 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are your opinion of it? < 1486955989 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1486956101 0 :furozo!~{Furozo}@d60-65-43-137.col.wideopenwest.com QUIT :Quit: furozo < 1486957871 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know why sometimes the pixel clock of the display on my computer is sometimes unexpectedly altered and/or unstable today? < 1486957908 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, I mean the phase < 1486957924 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The clock is proper. < 1486957975 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it's a fluctuation in time. < 1486958018 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0223.html < 1486958025 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1486958038 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid touchpad paste < 1486958078 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries not to leave newlines in the buffer, but forgets < 1486958129 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :bf < 1486958131 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fer < 1486958134 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ing < 1486958284 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :erkin: I don't think so? < 1486958302 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never be so sure. < 1486958641 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't be quite sure, but still I don't think so. < 1486958668 0 :bigcake!~bigcake@unaffiliated/bigcake JOIN :#esoteric < 1486958945 0 :Akaibu!uid118096@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-pigaxamazhutlswr JOIN :#esoteric < 1486959102 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found the mention of a infinite chess game with one piece that can jump any prime distance. < 1486959932 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you win by getting the king off the chessboard? < 1486960293 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would think you win by checkmating your opponent's king, like you do in FIDE. < 1486960313 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unthinkable. < 1486963631 0 :tromp__!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1486964220 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anyone know about tic tac toe on an infinite plane? < 1486964382 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :can the O player force a tie as in regular tic tac toe? < 1486964397 0 :bigcake!~bigcake@unaffiliated/bigcake QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1486964460 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, no. Can the O player prevent X from winning indefinitely? < 1486964549 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can they keep each other from winning indefinitely? < 1486964907 0 :bigcake!~bigcake@unaffiliated/bigcake JOIN :#esoteric < 1486964915 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know? < 1486965185 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1486965207 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1486965239 0 :wdfwefewvfgew!~gk.1wm.su@2001:590:1405:2e4:2e4:762d:9e59:405b JOIN :#esoteric < 1486965243 0 :wdfwefewvfgew!~gk.1wm.su@2001:590:1405:2e4:2e4:762d:9e59:405b PART #esoteric : < 1486965586 0 :sirnaysayer!~naysayer@104.244.72.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :on an infinite plane no one can win tic-tac-toe since the winning conditions can never be met < 1486965605 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: 3-in-a-row is a win for the first player if there are enough rows and columns https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M,n,k-game < 1486965684 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and only limited information for 4- up to 8- in a row. < 1486965980 0 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1486966179 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh < 1486966826 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.149 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1486967268 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486967556 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1486968302 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :When are you going to invent the Checkout preprocessor? < 1486968332 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I think the trigonometry functions should be added on too < 1486968440 0 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-52-10-77-75.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello everyone < 1486968444 0 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-52-10-77-75.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's been a long time < 1486968455 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc! < 1486968458 0 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-52-10-77-75.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi oerjan < 1486968488 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1486968598 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome kmc < 1486968600 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​02kmc: 06Welcome 13to 04the 07international 08hub 09for 02esoteric 06programming 13language 04design 07and 08deployment! 09For 02more 06information, 13check 04out 07our 08wiki: 09. 02(For 06the 13other 04kind 07of 08esoterica, 09try 02#esoteric 06on 13EFnet 04or 07DALnet.) < 1486968609 0 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-52-10-77-75.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ty < 1486968698 0 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-52-10-77-75.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i heard that limit hold 'em poker is ~solved < 1486968730 0 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-126-39.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you back? were you gone? welcome anyway < 1486968804 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Bad timing ZZZZZ < 1486968922 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have seen a AI for limit hold'em poker, and I tried to play and won by a very small number of points (and I am not very good at poker anyways), so I think it isn't quite solved. Anyways I think usually it is no-limit that is played (and I rarely see anything about pot-limit; is that game so uncommon?) < 1486969005 0 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-52-10-77-75.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does pot limit work? < 1486969085 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The limit of the raise is the amount currently in the pot (including previous betting rounds) plus the amount needed to call. < 1486969096 0 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-52-10-77-75.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1486969112 0 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-52-10-77-75.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 16:59 < oerjan> on the other hand, he _is_ the only person on the channel that i remember being married. although i remember there _are_ others. < 1486969115 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : :1:34: error: parse error on input ‘,’ < 1486969117 0 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-52-10-77-75.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm married too! < 1486969262 0 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-208-68.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm married as well! < 1486969275 0 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-208-68.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Though that's also been for a week, so. < 1486969287 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1486969392 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I intend to never be marry < 1486969434 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1486969496 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :I intend to never be merry. < 1486969629 0 :impomatic_!?@? NICK :impomatic < 1486970070 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :A variant of poker game I have never seen is to play spread-limit before the flop and pot-limit after the flop. < 1486970090 0 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-52-10-77-75.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: congrats! < 1486970213 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another way I have thought of is like Texas Hold'em but also involving a few of the features of One Poker. < 1486970296 0 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-52-10-77-75.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does One Poker work? < 1486970352 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :One Poker is played as following: Each player gets two cards face-down. Each player knows how many of his two cards are high cards (higher means 89TJQKA). And then, each player picks one card to play (secretly), and then you bet. If nobody folds, the higher card wins, except that a deuce beats an ace (but loses to anything else). Afterward, the card you chose not to play you keep and you get dealt one more card to replenish to two cards, and you st < 1486970386 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/knows how many of his two cards/knows how many of his opponent's two cards/ < 1486970398 0 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-52-10-77-75.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's weird < 1486970415 0 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-52-10-77-75.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've lately been trying to understand NMR physics < 1486970467 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Your own cards you of course know exactly what they are. Also, suits are irrelevant in One Poker.) < 1486970474 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is NMR physics? < 1486970489 0 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-52-10-77-75.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nuclear magnetic resonance < 1486970542 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1486970737 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also in One Poker, the card you play is exposed after betting even if you or your opponent folds.) < 1486970740 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi kmc < 1486970751 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :relcome back < 1486970790 0 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-52-10-77-75.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi shachaf < 1486970909 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1486970959 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486971221 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1486971783 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if sacramento is being washed into the pacific < 1486972120 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: do you have any info on this big flood that's happening < 1486972210 0 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-52-10-77-75.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :180,000 people ordered to evacuate but do they have a designated place to go? < 1486972501 0 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-52-10-77-75.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder why my machine renders Han characters as Hangul < 1486972506 0 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-52-10-77-75.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the fonts are very messed up < 1486972684 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1486972737 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's a font that is made for EUC-KR but is being treated as if it were for EUC-CN? can that happen? < 1486972821 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1486972854 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486973144 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1486974114 0 :augur!~augur@2601:645:8300:2b03:c574:6024:4ac0:b55b JOIN :#esoteric < 1486974288 0 :augur!~augur@2601:645:8300:2b03:c574:6024:4ac0:b55b QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1486974301 0 :augur!~augur@2601:645:8300:2b03:c574:6024:4ac0:b55b JOIN :#esoteric < 1486974302 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1486974474 0 :ChatSharp!~ChatSharp@stc.66.70.188.95.dsl.krasnet.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1486974486 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486974617 0 :ChatSharp!~ChatSharp@stc.66.70.188.95.dsl.krasnet.ru PART #esoteric : < 1486974748 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1486974883 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: did you see all the advances in HackEgo technology < 1486974886 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? shaventions < 1486974887 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shaventions include: before/now/lastfiles, culprits, hog/{h,d}oag, le//rn, tmp/, mk/mkx, sled/sedlast, spore/spam/speek/sport/1. Taneb invented them. < 1486974917 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slwd shavention//s.invented.did not invent. < 1486974919 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shavention//Shaventions include: before/now/lastfiles, culprits, hog/{h,d}oag, le//rn, tmp/, mk/mkx, sled/sedlast, spore/spam/speek/sport/1. Taneb did not invent them. < 1486975143 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`sedlast s/.$/ yet&/ < 1486975145 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom/shavention//Shaventions include: before/now/lastfiles, culprits, hog/{h,d}oag, le//rn, tmp/, mk/mkx, sled/sedlast, spore/spam/speek/sport/1. Taneb did not invent them yet. < 1486975404 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: Not much. < 1486975649 0 :hppavilion2!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1486975874 0 :bigcake!~bigcake@unaffiliated/bigcake QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1486976058 0 :BooK!~book@klonk.bruhat-souche.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1486976608 0 :bigcake!~bigcake@unaffiliated/bigcake JOIN :#esoteric < 1486977835 0 :augur!~augur@2601:645:8300:2b03:c574:6024:4ac0:b55b QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1486977883 0 :augur!~augur@c-98-210-157-162.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486977990 0 :augur!~augur@c-98-210-157-162.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1486978033 0 :augur!~augur@2601:645:8300:2b03:4df3:3293:8efc:2e18 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486978140 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486978412 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1486980243 0 :Yocacera!~Yocacera@62.249.146.152 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486980583 0 :Yocacera!~Yocacera@62.249.146.152 PART #esoteric : < 1486980917 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1486981916 0 :ChatSharp!~ChatSharp@stc.66.70.188.95.dsl.krasnet.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1486982032 0 :ChatSharp!~ChatSharp@stc.66.70.188.95.dsl.krasnet.ru PART #esoteric : < 1486982131 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zcyymuwbdeo8li.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1486982425 0 :BooK!~book@klonk.bruhat-souche.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486982646 0 :ChatSharp!~ChatSharp@stc.66.70.188.95.dsl.krasnet.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1486982756 0 :ChatSharp!~ChatSharp@stc.66.70.188.95.dsl.krasnet.ru PART #esoteric : < 1486983302 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486983585 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1486983683 0 :ChatSharp!~ChatSharp@stc.66.70.188.95.dsl.krasnet.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1486983795 0 :ChatSharp!~ChatSharp@stc.66.70.188.95.dsl.krasnet.ru PART #esoteric : < 1486984480 0 :ChatSharp!~ChatSharp@stc.66.70.188.95.dsl.krasnet.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1486984498 0 :augur!~augur@2601:645:8300:2b03:4df3:3293:8efc:2e18 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1486984534 0 :augur!~augur@2601:645:8300:2b03:4df3:3293:8efc:2e18 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486984589 0 :ChatSharp!~ChatSharp@stc.66.70.188.95.dsl.krasnet.ru PART #esoteric : < 1486984802 0 :augur!~augur@2601:645:8300:2b03:4df3:3293:8efc:2e18 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1486984984 0 :ChatSharp!~ChatSharp@stc.66.70.188.95.dsl.krasnet.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1486985097 0 :ChatSharp!~ChatSharp@stc.66.70.188.95.dsl.krasnet.ru PART #esoteric : < 1486985667 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486985985 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:fc:2720:2899:ff45 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486986177 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1486986178 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeeeeeeeesh//See yeeeeeeesh. < 1486986185 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1486986186 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :jit//JIT is just in time. < 1486986195 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? time < 1486986195 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :time? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1486986233 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :time is an illusion, < 1486986387 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lunchtime doubly so. < 1486986457 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, what's the time? < 1486986457 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: i wonder how some people abuse the word ' thereby' abused so hideously atrociously.) of the whole screen... pretty small but very portable. < 1486988564 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: ISLAND CHICKEN < 1486989226 0 :impomatic!~digital_w@host81-136-80-177.range81-136.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Quit: http://corewar.co.uk/creeper.htm < 1486989747 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zcyymuwbdeo8li.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1486990147 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:fc:2720:2899:ff45 QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1486990953 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486991028 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@134.58.253.56 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486991600 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? algebraic geometry < 1486991601 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Algebraic geometry is so complicated that Taneb had to take an exam in it before he could invent it. < 1486991607 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got 79% in that exam :) < 1486991913 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: great < 1486991931 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now you can learn other difficult mathematics topics that you can then invent < 1486992202 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1486992654 0 :pledis_!~nayoung@2400:6180:0:d0::383:e001 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486992654 0 :Sprocklem_!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1486992662 0 :shachaf_!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf JOIN :#esoteric < 1486992730 0 :pledis!~nayoung@2400:6180:0:d0::383:e001 QUIT :Write error: Broken pipe < 1486992730 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Write error: Broken pipe < 1486992730 0 :^v!v^@me.pxtst.com QUIT :Excess Flood < 1486992737 0 :^v!v^@me.pxtst.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1486992738 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1486992738 0 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1486993004 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07SUL14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50939&oldid=50930 5* 03Douira 5* (+102) 10formatting < 1486993076 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1486993523 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07SUL14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50940&oldid=50939 5* 03Douira 5* (+469) 10added some examples < 1486993962 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gonna need 85% on average in my summer exams and dissertation to get a first < 1486994651 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07SUL14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50941&oldid=50940 5* 03Douira 5* (+561) 10more examples < 1486994685 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07SUL14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50942&oldid=50941 5* 03Douira 5* (+1) 10typo < 1486994838 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486995403 0 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1486995539 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1486995561 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1486996356 0 :sirnaysayer!~naysayer@104.244.72.181 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1486996372 0 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-vmukovtdcptdwphr QUIT :Excess Flood < 1486996499 0 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-yepozewboznlzuyg JOIN :#esoteric < 1486997517 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I will make new mahjong game on computer, what will they be call? < 1486997585 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(according to your expectation) < 1486998128 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.149 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1486998861 0 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-52-10-77-75.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :good morning all < 1486999176 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486999436 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1486999712 0 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-yepozewboznlzuyg QUIT :Excess Flood < 1486999739 0 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-aapgobjtmmfswcnv JOIN :#esoteric < 1487000067 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I don't know. I don't think you have a theme naming for your software like ais does < 1487000306 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you have a suggestion that I like then I can use the suggestion though < 1487000980 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have the idea of it? < 1487001161 0 :Sprocklem_!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1487001545 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1487001712 0 :mn`!~user@188.245.42.92 JOIN :#esoteric < 1487001966 0 :mn`!~user@188.245.42.92 PART #esoteric :"ERC (IRC client for Emacs 25.1.1)" < 1487001970 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? lie group < 1487001970 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lie group? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1487002108 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31C0KdvO2Ns < 1487002157 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a lie group is a organization devoted to disinforming the public < 1487002189 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@134.58.253.56 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1487002753 0 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1487003556 0 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1487003902 0 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1487004371 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :today trump is meeting trudeau. hopefully trump realizes we didn't take usa's jobs < 1487005367 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1487005471 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07SUL14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50943&oldid=50942 5* 03Douira 5* (+6) 10styling < 1487005479 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is JOIN :#esoteric < 1487005570 0 :shachaf_!?@? NICK :shachaf < 1487005753 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-91.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1487005895 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :are there problems other than the halting problem that a turing machine can't solve? < 1487005969 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :see rice's theorem < 1487006010 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also all the myriad of problems that can _emulate_ the halting problem of a turing machine. < 1487006106 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. post correspondence theorem, ambiguity of a context-free grammar, various "is this term well-typed in this typing system"... < 1487006165 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they all probably reduce either to the halting problem itself, or to a similar diagonalization. < 1487006187 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*post correspondence problem < 1487006215 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are problems that are harder than the halting problem, of course. < 1487006225 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm right < 1487006236 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose that still counts as "similar diagonalization". < 1487006243 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or as "reduction" < 1487006246 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-91.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1487006353 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, obviously wikipedia has a list https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_undecidable_problems < 1487006381 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1487006595 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :a rice oracle would also be able to solve the "Entscheidungsproblem" right? < 1487006618 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :honestly its mere pronounciation is a problem < 1487006638 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just need a halting oracle for that, i think < 1487006651 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :let your program be a search for a proof < 1487006657 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah < 1487006672 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1487006709 0 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1487006802 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( but German spelling is far more logical than English... ) < 1487006832 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not _entirely_ logical, though. < 1487006873 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(there are several different ways of marking whether a vowel is long or short - and still some vowels aren't marked ) < 1487006883 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :ik but I'm english < 1487006895 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :( is there a bot with this prefix still < 1487006898 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Speaking of Rice's theorem, I was wondering about variations of it given that you already know something about the program you're given. < 1487006905 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :E.g. if you know a program halts, what can you decide about it? < 1487006912 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Choose one-- ;; - Prevent the next 1 damage that would be dealt to target permanent or player this turn. ;; - Put a +1/+1 counter on target creature with banding. That creature loses banding until end of turn. ;; - Target creature you control blocks target creature that is attacking you. This mode can be used only during declare blockers step. < 1487006914 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if you know that a program represents a computable real? < 1487006922 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :one++ < 1487006945 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :one is now two < 1487006961 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma one < 1487006961 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :one has a karma of -11 < 1487006974 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: no, zzo38 decremented it < 1487006980 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1487006981 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although so have others, i see < 1487006986 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like this kind of Magic: the Gathering card and what mana you think is worth? < 1487006986 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :so one became zero < 1487006997 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then shachaf incremented what exactly? < 1487007005 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: apparently it was already -11 to start with < 1487007009 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it says one has a karma of -11. Isn't it? < 1487007015 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1487007015 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :-11 < 1487007017 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is less than zero. < 1487007035 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :negativeeleven++ < 1487007043 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo32: strange. I don't think I've ever seen something like that third ability. this is supposed to be on an instant, right? < 1487007064 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Yes, clearly < 1487007112 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if this thing exists, then it's almost certainly white, so a fair costing must be W or 1W or WW < 1487007133 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also thought white, yes < 1487007133 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :TwoDucks is only super-tc if the Novikov self-consistency principle is taken to be true, right? < 1487007135 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure how that last ability even works < 1487007195 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, no < 1487007227 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: if you have "new timeline replaces old" then i think you might get Feather instead... < 1487007257 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but of course everything about Feather is only partially described at best < 1487007304 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( randall munroe doesn't update his blag much ) < 1487007306 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: What part you are not sure? < 1487007327 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and still somehow i keep checking it nearly every monday < 1487007410 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma it < 1487007410 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has a karma of -17 < 1487007415 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma him < 1487007415 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :him has a karma of -1 < 1487007418 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma her < 1487007418 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :her has a karma of -1 < 1487007429 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma some < 1487007429 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :some has a karma of -2 < 1487007432 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma lambdabot < 1487007432 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot has a karma of 32 < 1487007437 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i see a pattern < 1487007438 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh < 1487007440 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :power of 2 < 1487007440 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma the < 1487007440 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :the has a karma of -7 < 1487007446 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, even the < 1487007451 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1487007454 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: does it somehow change the blocking assignment after it's been done? and what happens then? if the first creature was already blocking something and could block the second target but not both at the time, what happens? how do you change the damage assignment orders and damage assignments? < 1487007454 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the pattern? < 1487007459 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though that should rarely appear before a pause < 1487007554 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: common words go into the negative because people sometimes put a -- dash right after them < 1487007569 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma this < 1487007569 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :this has a karma of -6 < 1487007575 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma a < 1487007575 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :a has a karma of 68 < 1487007580 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma c < 1487007580 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :c has a karma of 2 < 1487007592 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm surprised c doesn't have more positive karma, after all you have c++ < 1487007602 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma c < 1487007602 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :c has a karma of 2 < 1487007605 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1487007611 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: i think they exempted it < 1487007615 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1487007624 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma c/c < 1487007624 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :c/c has a karma of 1762 < 1487007626 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :lemme try it-- < 1487007629 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma it < 1487007629 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has a karma of -18 < 1487007633 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :that works < 1487007641 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma d < 1487007641 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :d has a karma of -4 < 1487007645 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma that < 1487007645 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :that has a karma of -20 < 1487007650 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma 3 < 1487007650 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 has a karma of 2 < 1487007653 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1487007656 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :#hashtag #botspam < 1487007663 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma # < 1487007663 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :# has a karma of 6 < 1487007667 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok I'll stop :p < 1487007675 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :who'd type #++ though (other than me :p) < 1487007744 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the single character ones might be affected more by code < 1487007745 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: See rule 509.6. < 1487007747 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma i < 1487007747 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :i has a karma of 150 < 1487007752 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :true... < 1487007762 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma karma < 1487007762 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :karma has a karma of 9 < 1487007773 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma me < 1487007773 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :me has a karma of -10 < 1487007802 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1487007809 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma rdococ < 1487007809 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have a karma of 1 < 1487007816 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yay, my karma isn't negative < 1487007834 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure exactly who uses # ++ though. maybe one of these newfangled languages. < 1487007847 0 :MoALTz!~no@77-254-9-16.adsl.inetia.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1487007856 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1487007863 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if I make a language called rdococ++ < 1487007880 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell itself doesn't use ++, so it must be when someone posts code in a different one < 1487007887 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1487007888 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does < 1487007936 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's list concatenation, so it's unlikely to appear in the right way - you'd either have no space, or space on both sides. < 1487007941 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That mentions damage assignment order. About the other questions, I think that it remains blocking everything it is currently blocking and also blocks the new target too, regardless of restrictions about blocking. That is my guess. < 1487008013 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me see < 1487008062 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :509.6. If a spell or ability causes a creature on the battlefield to block an attacking creature, the active player announces the blocking creature’s placement in the attacking creature’s damage assignment order. The relative order among the remaining blocking creatures is unchanged. Then the defending player announces the attacking creature’s placement in the blocking creature’s damage assignment order. The relative order among the remaining att < 1487008076 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :What existing card uses that? < 1487008094 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought we only had Gaze of Pain effects, which didn't really cause blocking < 1487008131 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what existing card uses that < 1487008133 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plus various effects that constrained blocking in advance, before it's decided < 1487008133 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if any) < 1487008159 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't that used for some backwards ninjutsu cards that put a creature on tb blocking something? < 1487008208 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`card-by-name Aetherplasm < 1487008210 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aetherplasm \ 2UU \ Creature -- Illusion \ 1/1 \ Whenever Aetherplasm blocks a creature, you may return Aetherplasm to its owner's hand. If you do, you may put a creature card from your hand onto the battlefield blocking that creature. \ GPT-U < 1487008221 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that card, and possibly no more < 1487008298 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think this phrasing would override any restrictions about blocking, because rule 101.2 says it doesn't override those. It would override requirements, such as lure effects. < 1487008378 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :As for costing, it's really the first choice, preventing damage, which requires the card to be white. I could see the second ability in white, red, green, or black I think. < 1487008378 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The creature is not being declared as a blocker though? < 1487008397 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that last ability is something I've never seen the like, so I can't tell what color should have it. < 1487008425 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could you just turn it into a gaze of pain effect, but with the opponent's creature having the scary eyes? < 1487008468 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1487008523 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yes, but that doesn't matter, at least for most restrictions. I don't think it will let you override flying, because of how 702.9 is phrased. Maybe it will let you block multiple creatures even without special abilities. < 1487008534 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you even iterate over all real numbers with the assistance of the halting oracle? < 1487008651 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Effects that cause a creature to be blocked work even on unblockable creatures though, and some cards can attack even if restricted, and I think that evasion abilities and requirements and restrictions and costs to attack/block and other stuff are applicable to the declaration of an attack or block. < 1487008689 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: that's different, those are Curtain effects < 1487008690 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1487008720 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait < 1487008722 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Curtain effects let you turn a creature to blocked, but it's not blocked by anything in particular < 1487008723 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :it says you can < 1487008736 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Curtain as in what Curtain of Light does, but there are several other cards like that too < 1487008750 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: the real numbers are uncountable, so no. < 1487008781 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1487008782 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, they are different, but is still "can't be blocked" < 1487008811 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe ask someone else who know for sure, if even such an answer either way is possible < 1487008822 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, if you nest iterations, the answer is no even for integers. < 1487008838 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I don't think there's a precedent for this sort of effect. I'd say just turn it into a Gaze of Pain effect or something. < 1487008839 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you determine if two mathematical functions are equal with just a halting oracle then? < 1487008852 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gaze of Pain isn't the only card that does that, right? it's just rare because it's such a useless effect < 1487008860 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: i think that would requires nesting two iterations < 1487008863 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*-s < 1487008878 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-91.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1487008884 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, if one is equal to zero at all points then < 1487008908 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you could subtract one's result from the other and check against zero < 1487008926 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :eg. f(x)-g(x)=0 for all x means f(x)=g(x) for all < 1487008927 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION thinks that primtive recursive functions are neat for being proovably terminating < 1487008927 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :x < 1487008960 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately, as you say, the real numbers are uncountable < 1487009003 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`card-by-name Dwarven Vigilantes < 1487009004 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dwarven Vigilantes \ 2R \ Creature -- Dwarf \ 2/2 \ Whenever Dwarven Vigilantes attacks and isn't blocked, you may have it deal damage equal to its power to target creature. If you do, Dwarven Vigilantes assigns no combat damage this turn. \ VI-C < 1487009015 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would just to add the rule if I need it, because I think what I specified seems most logical anyways. (There are some other minor changes I would make to the rules too, most of which affect nothing or hardly anything existing, although some might be affected in obscure circumstances. Such as, one thing I would to do is to redefine "flip a coin" as a keyword action that involves a random selection.) < 1487009050 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the sets of functions in Rice's theorem are uncomputable even with a halting oracle? < 1487009070 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07SUL14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50944&oldid=50943 5* 03Douira 5* (+718) 10added more examples < 1487009072 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`card-by-name Farrel's Mantle < 1487009073 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Farrel's Mantle \ 2W \ Enchantment -- Aura \ Enchant creature \ Whenever enchanted creature attacks and isn't blocked, its controller may have it deal damage equal to its power plus 2 to another target creature. If that player does, the attacking creature assigns no combat damage this turn. \ FE-U, ME2-U < 1487009094 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`card-by-name Lacrolith Rig < 1487009095 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1487009099 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: oh wait, you don't need a nested iteration as long as checking a single value halts. < 1487009102 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`card-by-name Laccolith Rig < 1487009103 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Laccolith Rig \ R \ Enchantment -- Aura \ Enchant creature \ Whenever enchanted creature becomes blocked, you may have it deal damage equal to its power to target creature. If you do, the first creature assigns no combat damage this turn. \ NE-C < 1487009112 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's an entire cycle of this < 1487009120 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :wikipedia says you can go the other way < 1487009128 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`card-by-name Laccolith Whelp < 1487009128 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Laccolith Whelp \ R \ Creature -- Beast \ 1/1 \ Whenever Laccolith Whelp becomes blocked, you may have it deal damage equal to its power to target creature. If you do, Laccolith Whelp assigns no combat damage this turn. \ NE-C < 1487009133 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`card-by-name Laccolith Warrior < 1487009133 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Laccolith Warrior \ 2RR \ Creature -- Beast Warrior \ 3/3 \ Whenever Laccolith Warrior becomes blocked, you may have it deal damage equal to its power to target creature. If you do, Laccolith Warrior assigns no combat damage this turn. \ NE-U < 1487009145 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :four creatures and an enchantment < 1487009158 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :they used to do that sort of cycle in old sets, just think of the Flagbearers < 1487009163 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. a function that returns whether a mathematical function is a constant zero can be used to create a halting oracle < 1487009169 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Existing cards that cause a creature already in play to block something (other than during declaration) already explicitly say the requirements anyways. < 1487009176 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(e.g. Sorrow's Path) < 1487009199 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`card-by-name sorrow's path < 1487009200 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorrow's Path \ Land \ {T}: Choose two target blocking creatures an opponent controls. If each of those creatures could block all creatures that the other is blocking, remove both of them from combat. Each one then blocks all creatures the other was blocking. \ Whenever Sorrow's Path becomes tapped, it deals 2 damage to you and each creature you co < 1487009221 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1487009228 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( #hashtag #mtgspam ) < 1487009242 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` card-by-name sorrow's path | perl -e'local$/;print substr,250' < 1487009242 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: -c: line 0: unexpected EOF while looking for matching `'' \ bash: -c: line 1: syntax error: unexpected end of file < 1487009254 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` card-by-name "sorrow's path" | perl -e'local$/;print substr,250' < 1487009254 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :king. \ Whenever Sorrow's Path becomes tapped, it deals 2 damage to you and each creature you control. \ DK-R, ME3-R < 1487009256 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :so a function that determines if a mathematical function is a constant zero- well, you can construct a function that returns f(x)-g(x) and check if any function f is indistinguishable from g < 1487009281 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: that's a good point, but that's a very old card that does something they probabyl wouldn't do now < 1487009284 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's from The Dark < 1487009328 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: and the rules text there is necessary because they want to avoid the effect where one of the creature changes what it blocks but the other doesn't < 1487009329 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Yes, although I don't care; they probably wouldn't print the second mode of the card I made up either, because it involves banding. < 1487009346 0 :augur!~augur@2601:645:8300:2b03:c02c:51b:daaf:adca JOIN :#esoteric < 1487009353 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I did think of that too. < 1487009353 0 :augur!~augur@2601:645:8300:2b03:c02c:51b:daaf:adca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1487009411 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is thinking on how to combine Uno and Robo Rally < 1487009447 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51a4b8f1.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1487009460 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1487009515 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it still isn't clear, because they didn't have the proper rules at the time of The Dark anyways; the new text just matches the printed text (which says that it may not cause an illegal block). < 1487009576 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yeah, though there's a dating difference in my head. banding creatures were printed much later, up to fifth edition. sure, they didn't print pointless narrow cards like Tolaria, but that's just like how they don't print pointless stuff like Great Wall. Sorrow's Path is from The Dark, which is an early set I don't physically own a single card from. < 1487009639 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1487009662 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Helm of Chatzuk and Benalish Hero are both in fifth edition. I have cards from Revised, Fourth, Fifth, and every expert set starting from Mirage, and I can buy new commons from those easily. The Dark is old and printed in low number of copies. < 1487009673 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I happen to like banding though < 1487009703 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, I like banding too. That's why I have a foursome of Benalish Hero, several other banding creatures, and even a Helm of Chatzuk. < 1487009716 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? tanebventions: math < 1487009718 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathematical tanebventions include D-modules, Chu spaces, the torus, Stephen Wolfram, Klein bottles, string diagrams, the reals, Lambek's lemma, Curry's paradox, the long line, locales, and histograms. < 1487009783 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1487009849 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found a forum message about General Jarkeld, where someone asks a question and the answer is "Yes. The General just switches the blockers, the blocks do not have to remain legal." Note that this is consistent with the current text of General Jarkeld, but it is different from the printed text! Some old cards do have significant functional differences from their original printed text. < 1487009920 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1487009950 0 :augur!~augur@2601:645:8300:2b03:c02c:51b:daaf:adca JOIN :#esoteric < 1487010150 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`card-by-name General Jarkeld < 1487010150 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :General Jarkeld \ 3W \ Legendary Creature -- Human Soldier \ 1/2 \ {T}: Switch the blocking creatures of two target attacking creatures. Activate this ability only during the declare blockers step. \ IA-R < 1487010181 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I see < 1487010196 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: that sounds strange. when is the forum message from? < 1487010254 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :MTG Salvation < 1487010308 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: _when_. as in, ten years ago, five years ago, two years ago? < 1487010322 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :From 2009 < 1487010334 0 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1487010336 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1487010337 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it is old < 1487010369 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I still think that doesn't make a difference, as I don't think that is one of the things that has changed since then. < 1487010408 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, if you do want to look, there is Yawgatog < 1487010519 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1487010640 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Later < 1487011248 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :One thing I would want to change is to add a rule about "persistent properties" of objects. A persistent property persists across zone changes and other stuff. Changing them (if they change at all, which is unlikely) is a one-shot effect. Persistent properties include the object's initial text (or initial AST), owner, and kind. And then, I would to redefine "card" in terms of kinds of objects. What do you think? < 1487011393 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: sorry, I can't answer this one. now isn't the right time for me to contemplate rephrasing the MTG rules. < 1487011731 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1487011777 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1487012038 0 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-aapgobjtmmfswcnv QUIT :Excess Flood < 1487012044 0 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-cbblkmsufyrjgmvz JOIN :#esoteric < 1487012096 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-91.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1487012454 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-91.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1487012565 0 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1487013556 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1487013854 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1487015424 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-91.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1487015452 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-91.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1487015537 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07SUL14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50945&oldid=50944 5* 03Douira 5* (+4) 10time and date example < 1487015602 0 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1487016709 0 :kiki`!uid170954@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rfdzewzctdnhxnuj JOIN :#esoteric < 1487017069 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-91.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1487017368 0 :dingbat!uid70835@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mvhdixwctrkesqgg QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1487017474 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1487017489 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-91.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1487018185 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`5 w < 1487018189 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/2:laver table//A laver table is a type of Welsh furniture primarily used for eating seaweed. \ umlaut//Umlaut is German for "hum aloud", an important feature of the German language. It is indicated by putting two dots over the vowel of the syllable. \ horn//Horn is the reduction system behind Prolog, and also the magical body part growi < 1487018191 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`spam < 1487018192 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2/2:ng on the head of unicorns. \ utumno//Utumno is Morgoth's first dungeon. It is where he was defeated, and the Silmarils temporarily reclaimed from him. \ cpressey//cpressey invented the esolang, the pipe cleaner and the electrical mousse. < 1487018213 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cwlprits utumno < 1487018215 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonäs < 1487018220 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`forget utumno < 1487018222 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Forget what? < 1487018243 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now that I know b_jonas's strategy for making wisdom entries, I don't feel bad about removing them. < 1487018688 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, "silmarils" may be a bit too obvious? < 1487018728 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1487018789 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cf. The Silmarillion. (Which I started reading once and don't intend to ever finish.) < 1487018810 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you mean is obvious? < 1487018820 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :The connection to Tolkien. < 1487018835 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :Definitely obvious. < 1487018843 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I see now that it's even literally the first sentence on http://lotr.wikia.com/wiki/Utumno. < 1487018844 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :other giveaways < 1487018847 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :- morgoth < 1487018850 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :- utumno < 1487018867 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :The neo prog band of '80s took a slightly more hidden way of picking the name of Marillion < 1487018885 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I'm generally bad with names... :P < 1487018893 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Morgoth was pretty obvious. I don't think I'd heard of Utumno. < 1487018941 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know about Morgoth from having started reading the Silmarillion once. < 1487018960 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :I managed to find a pretty obscure LoTR reference as my band's name. < 1487018962 0 :augur!~augur@2601:645:8300:2b03:c02c:51b:daaf:adca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1487018980 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :Orocarni < 1487018997 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :The red mountains reputed to be on the far east of Rhûn, where the first elves were born in the first age. < 1487019009 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plus it sounds cool. < 1487019010 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, must've got far enough if he was morgoth rather than melkor < 1487019019 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Tolkien makes names much harder than necessary because anyone of importance seems to have at least three of them.) < 1487019037 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Hmm, well, I don't remember where I remember the name from. < 1487019076 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.ae-lib.org.ua/texts-c/tolkien__the_silmarillion__en.htm has it in the first paragraph of the foreword. < 1487019095 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I probably wouldn't have read that. < 1487019133 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it looks like it happens pretty early on? < 1487019242 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i quite liked reading the silmarillion on the whole because unlike lotr the text does not feel the need to describe every fucking rock in every fucking valley that the characters pass through < 1487019304 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? Phantom_Hoover < 1487019305 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom Michael Hoover is a true Scotsman, hatheist, and completely out of the loop. < 1487019512 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1487019771 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1487020429 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-91.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1487020552 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-91.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1487020686 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? rule < 1487020687 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rule? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1487020745 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: but all those descriptions allowed people to reconstruct the geology after the fact < 1487020761 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol lotr geology < 1487020771 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, geography < 1487020784 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> largest forests on the continent directly in a rain shadow < 1487020787 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : :1:43: error: parse error on input ‘in’ < 1487020793 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a book called "atlas of middle earth" that describes this in detail < 1487020795 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1487020803 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: you said "every rock" so "geology" actually makes sense. < 1487020836 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :my point is that tolkien didn't know shit about those details when he wrote the book < 1487020846 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they're not going to make any useful sense < 1487020859 0 :MoALTz!~no@77-254-9-16.adsl.inetia.pl QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1487020880 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? utility < 1487020881 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :utility? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1487020915 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently he was ok at geology actually, he just sucked at climatology < 1487021042 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means that although his descriptions of e.g. the landforms resulting from glaciers and what rocks they are made of is ok < 1487021063 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1487021074 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :his mountains are way too snowy way too far south < 1487021095 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( How about: "Few authors have ever been wrong in as excruciating detail as Tolkien." ) < 1487021113 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1487021136 0 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1487021180 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1487021526 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-91.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1487021551 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-91.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1487021646 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1487021665 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1487021865 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it depends. If the mountains are high enough but low enough that their rain shadows dont start until a bit after the peak on the dry side. But that means that there is one hell of a foggy landscape on their other side. < 1487022365 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zarutian: they are called "the misty mountians" < 1487022575 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1487022775 0 :krok_!~krok@static-50-53-174-215.bvtn.or.frontiernet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1487023013 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1487023196 0 :heroux_!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-nmovhdjapymafrjg JOIN :#esoteric < 1487023205 0 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-vtpdmukjdijqykol QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1487023227 0 :heroux_!?@? NICK :heroux < 1487023372 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1487023830 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1487023856 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-91.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1487024141 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1487024266 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:4df:f114:bb4b:bf55 JOIN :#esoteric < 1487024408 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-91.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1487024448 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1487024730 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1487025089 0 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1487025434 0 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-178-004-076-070.178.004.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1487025830 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51a4b8f1.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in < 1487025937 0 :dingbat!uid70835@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kheqhdtzupfajqpg JOIN :#esoteric < 1487027015 0 :bigcake!~bigcake@unaffiliated/bigcake QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1487027066 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-91.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1487027265 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1487027326 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1487027342 0 :bigcake!~bigcake@unaffiliated/bigcake JOIN :#esoteric < 1487027387 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome bigcake < 1487027388 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​13bigcake: 04Welcome 07to 08the 09international 02hub 06for 13esoteric 04programming 07language 08design 09and 02deployment! 06For 13more 04information, 07check 08out 09our 02wiki: 06. 13(For 04the 07other 08kind 09of 02esoterica, 06try 13#esoteric 04on 07EFnet 08or 09DALnet.) < 1487028073 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, "Duet" is surprisingly addictive < 1487028143 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for a game that needs only two keys/buttons to be played) < 1487028368 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-ello. is that the thing with the spinning bar? < 1487028500 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :two dots (red and blue), moving bars (initially white but can be "painted" by crashing into them... I gather that this is not the objective of the game), some spinning. < 1487028551 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: But it can't be played in a web browser? < 1487028578 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I now remember having beaten it on my phone. very nice level design, but the pseudo-psychological statements between them irked me. < 1487028673 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:4df:f114:bb4b:bf55 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1487028735 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/duet.jpg < 1487028765 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I don't know. I got it as part of a humble bundle, but only actually installed it last weekend < 1487028794 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(no rotating bars in the screenshot, hmm) < 1487028859 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1487028908 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :here we go http://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/duet2.jpg < 1487029053 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:244d:c55d:191f:8c8e JOIN :#esoteric < 1487029116 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1487029463 0 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1487029676 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I added the support for "geometry list" into SDLTERM, and fixed a few mistakes I had made, and now I have made an example of how to draw circles with OpenGL with it, by using a geometry list, vertex program, and fragment program. (It is necessary to use a vertex program to access the coordinates before they are transformed, because the input of the fragment program are transformed coordinates.) Do you like this? http://sprunge.us/hgFd < 1487029723 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you have suggestions for changes to the API, or complaints about it, then you can please to mention it. < 1487029887 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1487029977 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1487029989 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1487030045 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1487030101 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: METHANE CHICKEN < 1487030121 0 :`_^gk`_^1wm`_^!~su@23.27.4.15 JOIN :#esoteric < 1487030157 0 :`_^gk`_^1wm`_^!~su@23.27.4.15 QUIT :K-Lined