< 1488499647 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: The other looks like an ℇ. < 1488499897 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`icode ℇ < 1488499897 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+2107 EULER CONSTANT] < 1488500498 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1488500528 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice clock ya got there ppcg < 1488500550 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :no way its not getting the bounty < 1488501455 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1488501672 0 :adu!~ajr@pool-71-178-208-21.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1488501726 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1488503668 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1488504697 0 :krok_!~krok@static-50-53-171-198.bvtn.or.frontiernet.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1488504760 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is QUIT :Quit: Zarutian < 1488505205 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1488506018 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1488506160 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hily < 1488506184 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION still golfing :/ < 1488506263 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hell§rjan! < 1488506283 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the more you golf, the less you. < 1488506326 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA < 1488506336 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION vani < 1488506407 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1488506430 0 :hakatashi1!~hakatashi@104.131.49.125 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1488506446 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wraps fungot in a Norwegian flag an uses him as an oerjan ersatz < 1488506446 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: that's awesome. i don't even understand what's there < 1488506452 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1488506457 0 :hakatashi!~hakatashi@104.131.49.125 JOIN :#esoteric < 1488506469 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not even fungot understands me. < 1488506470 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ( don't tell it to scan a slide at 1200dpi, a helpful message pops up that for slides it's better to do < 1488506738 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? golf < 1488506739 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Golf is the shortest game known. The goal is to get a ball into a hole with a single stroke. < 1488506845 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: i note that the second kind of Trajedy transform can actually expand lengths (without ?). are you sure these aren't invertible if used only on say x<1/2 ? < 1488506897 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1488507170 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. if c==0 and b>a < 1488507180 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes I'm very sure, I tried inverting that for, like, five minutes < 1488507300 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I was trying to extend the path using mirrors < 1488507364 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that could also work... < 1488507396 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: note that what i'm saying is, you only need it to be invertible on a small subset of the domain/range < 1488507410 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well, implying) < 1488507427 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because there's no reason you need to use the whole (0,1) interval. < 1488507463 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mirrors _should_ work for that. < 1488507529 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, you don't even need that restriction, because you can put the mirror somewhere close to the beacon so that the "beam" has been compressed there. < 1488507558 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the target beacon) < 1488507577 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :or use a sheet of mirrors to catch everything < 1488507589 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, then you get gaps. < 1488507607 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which i guess you can handle in a different way. < 1488507612 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't worked out what happens to the offset, though < 1488507630 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm pretty sure you can add whatever offset you want? < 1488507700 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i thought about this a while ago, i found it convenient to think of a mirror not as changing the path, but as leading you into the mirror universe < 1488507725 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :like a portal < 1488507819 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :that does sound convenient < 1488507869 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, is the mirror universe flipped perpendicularly to the mirror? < 1488507879 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1488507934 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait < 1488508006 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :things are exactly where they'd look like they were if you look into a mirror. < 1488508121 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :B\ < 1488508123 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : B < 1488508136 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm no, that's not right < 1488508137 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :trying to visualise this is causing my brain to flip instead < 1488508178 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :B\ < 1488508181 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : B < 1488508243 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the mirror universe is, hm < 1488508261 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : B < 1488508265 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : \ < 1488508295 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1488508304 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :B < 1488508364 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it should be the transposed grid. < 1488508405 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: KARMIC CHICKEN < 1488508476 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I see < 1488508481 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i'm thinking wrong, somehow. < 1488508502 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it doesn't seem that convenient to me < 1488508519 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just flipping the coordinates? < 1488508537 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it means you can draw them on top of each other, keeping the paths straight < 1488508616 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately i have nothing very good to draw with... < 1488508662 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION uses vim < 1488508980 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :going back to the c=0 idea, if x=p/q then x becomes bp/(aq+p) mod 1 < 1488508994 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't try to use this device because it looked more complicated < 1488509252 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah i think i've got it < 1488509255 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :B < 1488509255 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :\.......C < 1488509255 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :........D < 1488509255 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :.B < 1488509290 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :constructed from < 1488509292 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :B\? < 1488509292 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...B.....C < 1488509292 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :.........D < 1488509304 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :er ignore the mirror in the last one < 1488509395 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i _put_ a mirror there, then flip the Bs around it < 1488509474 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then the ? is unnecessary because the second B gets left behind as you enter the "mirror universe". < 1488509512 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah connection seems flaky < 1488509532 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, was trying it out < 1488509584 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :did it work? < 1488509603 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like it works < 1488509606 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1488509612 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :thoerjan < 1488509619 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yw < 1488509648 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll try to update the example code < 1488509671 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think Trajedy probably has all the power of a pushdown automaton, but i also have great doubts about TC-ness. < 1488509685 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's also the ? used to merge multiple paths, which I didn't mention, but there should also be a workaround for that < 1488509724 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it feels like in some sense it _shouldn't_ be possible to extract data compressed into it in this way in any substantially different order than FIFO. < 1488509788 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't the same limitation apply to befunge? < 1488509829 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :the wiki page only lists fifo stack commands < 1488509848 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :updated my font < 1488509864 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VDPTmCWKZ4 < 1488509880 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite possibly, i don't think befunge is TC with limited cell size and no extensions. < 1488509897 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless there's some way to access bottom of stack or the like. < 1488509907 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh nevermind, it has unbounded integers < 1488509917 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ᖎᖏᖐᖑᖒᖓᖔᖕᖖᖠᖡᖢᖣᖤᖥᖦ桂 are the characters I added < 1488509919 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or I guess some implementations do) < 1488509927 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very few do. < 1488509934 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :support for Inuktitut should now be complete < 1488509953 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: '98 has that stack of stacks, and has some manipulation commands that might be relevant. < 1488510004 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: In particular, you can move elements both directions between top-of-stack-stack and second-of-stack-stack, which might make a workable tape. < 1488510029 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1488510031 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The u "Stack under Stack" instruction pops a count and transfers that many cells from the SOSS to the TOSS. It transfers these cells in a pop-push loop. In other words, the order is not preserved during transfer, it is reversed. If count is negative, |count| cells are transferred (similarly in a pop-push loop) from the TOSS to the SOSS." < 1488510071 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: 桂 is now in < 1488510107 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure some people in this community must have discussed this previously. in fact the stack stack thing rings a vague bell. < 1488510132 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Befunge-93 is I guess uncontroversially sub-TC.) < 1488510413 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since there's implicit infinite 0s at the bottom of every stack, I think you can do a trivial brainfuck (infinite on both ends) to Funge-98 translation with some setup code, +- to "1+" and "1-", <> to "1u" and "01-u", ., to ,~ and [] to ":!#v_" and ":#v_" with suitably placed >s and text $ "\x2B10\x2B11" ++ ['\x21B0'..'\x21B5'] < 1488513128 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : ⬐⬑↰↱↲↳↴↵ < 1488513164 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :those are the ones I drew with corners and not curves < 1488513228 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :> text $ ['\x2BA0'..'\x2BA7'] < 1488513231 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : ⮠⮡⮢⮣⮤⮥⮦⮧ < 1488513243 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I havent drawn those?! what a disgrace < 1488513307 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :neither has this font, at any rate < 1488513327 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode 2BA0 < 1488513327 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​⮠ < 1488513337 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can see them! < 1488513348 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode ⮠ < 1488513349 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+2BA0 DOWNWARDS TRIANGLE-HEADED ARROW WITH LONG TIP LEFTWARDS \ UTF-8: e2 ae a0 UTF-16BE: 2ba0 Decimal: ⮠ \ ⮠ \ Category: So (Symbol, Other) \ Bidi: ON (Other Neutrals) < 1488513351 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :oddly, ↲ and ↵ are similar, but none of the others are < 1488513374 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... < 1488513380 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the ones \oren\ texted. < 1488513381 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :so one is still missing (RIGHTWARDS THEN … UPWARDS, as it turns out) < 1488513423 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode 2B0F < 1488513424 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​⬏ < 1488513425 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but we for some reason hav ↯ < 1488513439 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: I have that < 1488513497 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :...but it isnt in my font demo. odd < 1488513524 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode ⬎⬏⬐⬑ < 1488513525 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+2B0E RIGHTWARDS ARROW WITH TIP DOWNWARDS \ UTF-8: e2 ac 8e UTF-16BE: 2b0e Decimal: ⬎ \ ⬎ \ Category: So (Symbol, Other) \ Bidi: ON (Other Neutrals) \ \ U+2B0F RIGHTWARDS ARROW WITH TIP UPWARDS \ UTF-8: e2 ac 8f UTF-16BE: 2b0f Decimal: ⬏ \ ⬏ \ Category: So (Symbol, Other) \ Bidi: ON (Other Neutrals) \ \ U+2B10 LEFTWARDS ARR < 1488513691 0 :adu!~ajr@pool-71-178-208-21.washdc.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1488514204 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.149 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1488515225 0 :adu!~ajr@pool-71-178-208-21.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1488516445 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is the fragment program I made up to work like a PC text mode: http://sprunge.us/ePXg < 1488516764 0 :adu!~ajr@pool-71-178-208-21.washdc.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1488518256 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1488518481 0 :Guest45288!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1488518482 0 :Guest45288!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1488518943 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 upload10 02 5* 03Jafetish 5* 10uploaded "[[02File:Trajedy - magnify with skip.png10]]" < 1488518973 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 upload10 02 5* 03Jafetish 5* 10uploaded "[[02File:Trajedy - magnify with mirror.png10]]" < 1488519073 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think V8 JavaScript has a problem; %TypedArray%.length is zero, even though it is supposed to be three. < 1488519854 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is %TypedArray%? < 1488520113 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is an object which is not directly exposed in a global variable, but you can write Object.getPrototypeOf(Int8Array.prototype).constructor in order to get that object. (That object is also a function, although calling it is an error.) < 1488520213 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is it supposed to be three? < 1488520225 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The specification says it is supposed to be three. < 1488520299 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I am not sure why that is necessary; it can't be called, so there shouldn't be much point in it having any value at all, but that is what it is.) < 1488520354 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where? < 1488520388 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right, I remember this. < 1488520427 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You talked about it before. < 1488520568 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found that V8 and Mozilla both give errors, but the error message is different. Mozilla gives "%TypedArray% calling/constructing not implemented yet" (as if they would ever implement it; it is not clear what it would do if it was implemented), while V8 gives "Abstract class TypedArray not directly constructable". < 1488520721 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 upload10 02 5* 03Jafetish 5* 10uploaded "[[02File:Trajedy - merge device.png10]]" < 1488521220 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Trajedy14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51164&oldid=51160 5* 03Jafetish 5* (+1630) 10add mirror magnification device by [[User:Oerjan]] < 1488521368 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Trajedy14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51165&oldid=51164 5* 03Jafetish 5* (+1) 10/* Memory */ fix link < 1488522056 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1488522077 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 overwrite10 02 5* 03Jafetish 5* 10uploaded a new version of "[[02File:Trajedy - merge device.png10]]": previous version was mislabeled < 1488522571 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Trajedy14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51167&oldid=51165 5* 03Jafetish 5* (+99) 10author and pronunciation in lead < 1488523530 0 :Cale!~cale@CPE9c5c8eb8e0c8-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1488523553 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98e0:694:2995:c22b:df99:7f57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1488526447 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :the wiki really needs a category for languages like http://esolangs.org/wiki/CUTLASS < 1488526454 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and BANCStar, of course) < 1488526574 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Enterprise languages < 1488526945 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07CUTLASS14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51168&oldid=47041 5* 03Jafetish 5* (-11) 10move to new category, [[Category:Enterprise languages]] < 1488526978 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: um, see Esolang:Policy < 1488527021 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1488527098 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07CUTLASS14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51169&oldid=51168 5* 03Jafetish 5* (+11) 10Undo revision 51168 by [[Special:Contributions/Jafetish|Jafetish]] ([[User talk:Jafetish|talk]]) < 1488527195 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, has anyone checked whether this CUTLASS language is actually esoteric < 1488527262 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably < 1488527377 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :well we can't remove the article, as wikipedia links to it < 1488527471 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fiendish < 1488527566 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.researchgate.net/publication/3590557_The_role_of_CUTLASS_in_software_reliability < 1488527570 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :“Conference Paper · November 1989 with 3 Reads” < 1488527589 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's obscure, at least < 1488527650 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway < 1488527657 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1488528073 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07CUTLASS14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51170&oldid=51169 5* 03Jafetish 5* (+168) 10add acronym expansion < 1488528196 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Esolang talk:Categorization14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51171&oldid=47243 5* 03Jafetish 5* (+254) 10/* Enterprise languages */ new section < 1488528569 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why the fuck do my ukrainian generals have names like Lucas Brown < 1488528597 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1488528607 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :englishmen following the example of eugene of savoy < 1488533884 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1488533936 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1488534114 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zcx5n4ejug1wpa.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1488534186 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1488537031 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1488537546 0 :augur!~augur@2602:304:cdac:e260:bd34:b5c2:a12b:f231 JOIN :#esoteric < 1488537610 0 :augur!~augur@2602:304:cdac:e260:bd34:b5c2:a12b:f231 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1488537672 0 :choochter!choochter@nat/ibm/x-zjvbihgtseolmtpz JOIN :#esoteric < 1488538149 0 :augur!~augur@2602:304:cdac:e260:bd34:b5c2:a12b:f231 JOIN :#esoteric < 1488539162 0 :augur!~augur@2602:304:cdac:e260:bd34:b5c2:a12b:f231 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1488539186 0 :augur!~augur@2602:304:cdac:e260:bd34:b5c2:a12b:f231 JOIN :#esoteric < 1488540593 0 :augur!~augur@2602:304:cdac:e260:bd34:b5c2:a12b:f231 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1488540845 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1488541113 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1488541115 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fish//Come and dance and love the fish! Mister Disco summoned it. < 1488541703 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:658e:7244:e574:84c0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1488543559 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: MEEPLE CHICKEN < 1488549181 0 :xfix!~konrad@unaffiliated/xfix QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1488549256 0 :xfix!~konrad@unaffiliated/xfix JOIN :#esoteric < 1488549603 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: what do you think when seeing this picture, https://neusprech.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/img_1255-e1478263773140-768x447.jpg < 1488551647 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: regarding your other question, I think I had even missed the door on the ship wreck. I left it unsolved. < 1488552337 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1488552755 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is JOIN :#esoteric < 1488552827 0 :nycs!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1488553157 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1488555417 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is thinking about funding a country and callign it Anonymous Proxy just to confuse people < 1488555923 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan trajedy isn't just a pushdown automaton, it can also simulate 3D printers: https://imgur.com/a/SntRM < 1488555923 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1488556761 0 :Elronnd!?@? NICK :behodler < 1488556767 0 :behodler!?@? NICK :ebholder < 1488556773 0 :ebholder!?@? NICK :Elronnd < 1488557391 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to understand some older obfuscated program I wrote, because I want to modify it, but have it still look nice. < 1488557411 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have to re-understand how it works, which is hard, because it's obfuscated. < 1488557613 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about a language that experiences issues with relativity? < 1488557644 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :one thread thinks x changed to 3 at the same time as y changing to 5, but the other thread disagrees :p < 1488557980 0 :augur!~augur@2602:304:cdac:e260:bd34:b5c2:a12b:f231 JOIN :#esoteric < 1488557989 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1488558053 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is JOIN :#esoteric < 1488558670 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. every multi-core CPU since the last decade < 1488559070 0 :augur!~augur@2602:304:cdac:e260:bd34:b5c2:a12b:f231 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1488560140 0 :kiki`!uid170954@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xuheflmpcvehxrxi QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1488560324 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1488560387 0 :digitalcold!~redacted@192.73.232.206 JOIN :#esoteric < 1488560412 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I vaguely remember that Java 8 was controversial, but I can't remember why < 1488560428 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now the issue's come up at work and I'm having trouble wording a web search to find out why < 1488560430 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone have ideas? < 1488560466 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: sorry, I don't follow Java < 1488560472 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair enough < 1488560487 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :meanwhile I'm considering getting my new esolang (actually, esolang family) up on Esolang < 1488560494 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :good < 1488560495 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I've worked out the right level of abstraction to present it at < 1488560518 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've kind-of sort-of proved it TC in my head? the problem is it has an annoying tendency to be reversible, which means that the usual translations don't work < 1488560530 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you need to figure out where the bitbucket comes from < 1488560530 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm currently trying to modify an older esoteric program I have, to add new functionality but still keep it nice < 1488560538 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, nicely obfuscated < 1488560545 0 :pixels!~pixels@216.186.213.77 JOIN :#esoteric < 1488560546 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be easy to add the new function non-obfuscated < 1488560563 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I think I can hide the new functionality in the existing obfu code so it doesn't disrupt the beauty < 1488560567 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the program meant to be obfuscated? < 1488560570 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1488560572 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :this one is < 1488560575 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, is it written in an esolang, or is it obfuscated in other ways? < 1488560581 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to submit the result to Golf SE < 1488560585 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it's written in perl < 1488560617 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51172&oldid=51088 5* 03Ais523 5* (+16) 10/* C */ +[[Chaingate]] < 1488560637 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just editing in a link so that I can create the article and it won't be orphaned < 1488560851 0 :pixels!~pixels@216.186.213.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a language list of languages that aren't effectively "brainfuck, but" < 1488560882 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :pixels: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Category:Brainfuck_derivatives ? < 1488560941 0 :pixels!~pixels@216.186.213.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the opposite of that list? (list of all languages not on that list) < 1488561001 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :pixels: I don't think we have one prepared directly < 1488561067 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I think the lambdas were a little controversial. < 1488561075 0 :pixels!~pixels@216.186.213.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, ok < 1488561090 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to be fair, a list of brainfuck-unrelated languages might be useful < 1488561100 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :however brainfuck derivatives are less than half the wiki, IIRC < 1488561108 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :despite what you might think looking at it < 1488561140 0 :pixels!~pixels@216.186.213.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah clicking random page only gives me one every now and then < 1488561273 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just noticed [[Category:Reversible computing]] is missing from the categorisation page < 1488561278 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we should make sure that thing's up to date < 1488561308 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, wow, Chaingate has ten different categories, plus an eleventh that doesn't exist yet but might be worth suggesting < 1488561720 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if anyone can figure out what the right year number category is for MMIX, feel free to edit it < 1488561737 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it wasn't made instantly, and I'm not sure what year counts as its birth < 1488561910 0 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-uxtxsbtexejljipl JOIN :#esoteric < 1488561948 0 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-uszmcsnscsxthwhz QUIT :Excess Flood < 1488562079 0 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-syhmzcqwgbkpjbdl JOIN :#esoteric < 1488562194 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: first time a specification was available to the public, even if it's a specification of an older version < 1488562362 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode ANGLE BRACKET < 1488562364 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+2329 LEFT-POINTING ANGLE BRACKET \ UTF-8: e2 8c a9 UTF-16BE: 2329 Decimal: 〈 \ 〈 \ Category: Ps (Punctuation, Open) \ Bidi: ON (Other Neutrals) \ Character is mirrored \ Decomposition: 3008 \ \ U+232A RIGHT-POINTING ANGLE BRACKET \ UTF-8: e2 8c aa UTF-16BE: 232a Decimal: 〉 \ 〉 \ Category: Pe (Punctuation, Close) \ Bidi: ON (O < 1488562365 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :〈〉 < 1488562473 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I'm still in a CS-y mood, I wanted proper tuple constructors in my documentation rather than having to resort to some other sort of bracket < 1488562533 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode MINUS SIGN < 1488562534 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​− < 1488562674 0 :Ir0nY!~IronY@unaffiliated/irony JOIN :#esoteric < 1488562721 0 :staffehn_!~quassel@2001:41d0:52:d00::1d3 JOIN :#esoteric < 1488562734 0 :FreeFull_!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1488562799 0 :b_jonas_!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1488562863 0 :viznut_!viznut@lowfidelity.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1488562970 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Like I said, they're everywhere. < 1488562991 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :*.net *.split < 1488562992 0 :fractal!fractal@unaffiliated/scounder QUIT :*.net *.split < 1488562992 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu QUIT :*.net *.split < 1488562992 0 :IronY!~IronY@unaffiliated/irony QUIT :*.net *.split < 1488562992 0 :viznut!viznut@lowfidelity.org QUIT :*.net *.split < 1488562992 0 :staffehn!~quassel@2001:41d0:52:d00::1d3 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1488562992 0 :kragniz!~kragniz@nyaa.kragniz.eu QUIT :*.net *.split < 1488563003 0 :Ir0nY!?@? NICK :IronY < 1488563806 0 :fractal!fractal@unaffiliated/scounder JOIN :#esoteric < 1488563818 0 :pixels!~pixels@216.186.213.77 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1488564031 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:658e:7244:e574:84c0 QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1488564293 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1488564392 0 :FreeFull_!?@? NICK :FreeFull < 1488564408 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1488564902 0 :DHeadshot_!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1488565082 0 :Elronnd!?@? NICK :Athame < 1488565083 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1488565112 0 :Athame!?@? NICK :Guest88107 < 1488565179 0 :Guest88107!?@? NICK :Elronnd < 1488565778 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1488565848 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1488565892 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Chaingate14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=51173 5* 03Ais523 5* (+7949) 10new language family < 1488565914 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Ais52314]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51174&oldid=50446 5* 03Ais523 5* (+15) 10+[[Chaingate]] < 1488566612 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-81.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1488567183 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07MMIX14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51175&oldid=50892 5* 03B jonas 5* (+0) 10 < 1488567268 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-81.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1488568651 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-81.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1488568815 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Chaingate14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51176&oldid=51173 5* 03Ais523 5* (-2) 10I implemented it while writing the article, but forgot to change the category < 1488568866 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1488568935 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1488569806 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1488570508 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-81.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1488571249 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 JOIN :#esoteric < 1488571422 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: about Chaingate, I don't understand the sentence "the ability to make finitely many irreversible changes that some fs have doesn't change the computational class of the language because you could just start executing after those have happened", because it might not be computable how many of those irreversible changes will actually happen < 1488571510 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1488571515 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: also, where you write "0 exclusive to n inclusive" inside the defn of Free Chaingate, is that deliberate, or did you mean "0 inclusive to n exclusive"? < 1488571517 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it can make it from sub-TC to TC < 1488571522 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's backwards < 1488571567 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's possible that something like that still works, and the whole definition is unclear since you don't have inputs and TC would require inputs < 1488571569 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Chaingate14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51177&oldid=51176 5* 03Ais523 5* (+0) 10/* Free Chaingate */ fix typo that rather changed the meaning < 1488571572 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the explanation is unclear as is < 1488571603 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I had to be mathematically rigorous in esolang descriptions on the wiki < 1488571606 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they'd never get posted :-( < 1488571610 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been putting this one off as it is < 1488571646 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, this language description reminds me to Incident < 1488571654 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1488571659 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the language is inspired by Incident, also Malbolge < 1488571674 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's more elegant than Incident though because you don't need a stack for every command < 1488571685 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and more elegant than Malbolge because the encryption does the data storage, you don't need a separate memory < 1488571689 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so Free Chaingate doesn't have values that never wrap around? < 1488571695 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not that Malbolge wass intended to be particularly elegant) < 1488571698 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it does, you set n to infinity < 1488571711 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah! < 1488571715 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's how that works < 1488571774 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the language is clearly sub-TC if n is always finite < 1488571789 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hashlife is pretty neat. < 1488571792 0 :MDude!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com) < 1488571810 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you're hoping that this becomes TC by incrementing bigints, sort of like 3SP? < 1488571880 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: yes < 1488571893 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually I'm pretty sure I can store data correctly, control flow is the only real issue < 1488571903 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd be trivial if not for Free Chaingate being reversible < 1488571919 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which tends to screw with your control flow quite badly because you need a bitbucket < 1488571941 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my current plan is to have two copies of each counter, and use the second one to undo the changes the first one made < 1488571953 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I got shouted at in the past for trying to get #esoteric excited about Hashlife < 1488571957 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the basis that it was old news < 1488571962 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is definitely something worth praising though < 1488571985 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since when does #esoteric care about things being old news? < 1488572003 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :This channel spends most of its time gazing at its historical navel. < 1488572006 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it did back then? < 1488572021 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this channel has changed dominant topic repeatedly, I think < 1488572038 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its typical topics nowadays are fairly unobjectionable, but also a fairly long way from the actual subject of the channel < 1488572068 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gazing your hitsorical navel... hmm, have you bought a Nintendi Switch yet? < 1488572089 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I've never had a Nintendo device. < 1488572094 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway the point is it's a pretty nifty algorithm. < 1488572288 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I like Hashlife what else would I like? < 1488572314 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!quote ais523.*free will < 1488572316 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1488572316 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There should be an Amazon-style recommendation program for papers. < 1488572319 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote ais523.*free will < 1488572321 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :717) and then I spent much of the rest of the time trying to work out how to implement 3D Hashlife efficiently when at least one of the colors has free will < 1488572329 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the end I gave up < 1488572350 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Colors? < 1488572357 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Free will? < 1488572367 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :colors as in Life has two, live and dead < 1488572375 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have more than two making them different colors is normally simplest < 1488572393 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you mean that the third dimension is color or that it's in 3D space and there are also colors? < 1488572398 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as for free will, the idea is that there's a human controlling the state transitions that infvolve a particular color < 1488572406 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's in 3D space, and there are colors=states < 1488572440 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure exactly how free will behaves but it seems problematic. < 1488572458 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it easier in 2D life? < 1488572478 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or 1D? Presumably there's a 1D hashlife?) < 1488572483 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's also three-color Game of Life, where cells are dead, red, or blue. In each step, if a dead cell is surrounded by exactly three non-dead cells, then it becomes the color of the majority of those three; and if a live cell has less than two or more than three non-dead neighbors then it dies, otherwise cells don't change state. < 1488572518 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Game of Life is a factor of three-color Game of Life in the sense that if you take a three-color Game of Life process and map red and blue to live, then you get a valid Game of Life process. < 1488572535 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-81.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1488572554 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`grwp red.*dead < 1488572588 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1488572602 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`grwp dead.*red < 1488572610 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Binary file reflection matches < 1488572626 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, http://esolangs.org/wiki/Game_of_Life says "discovery of the Gemini pattern" which looks wrong to me < 1488572634 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that an invention? < 1488572674 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`grwp red.*dead < 1488572675 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Binary file reflection matches < 1488572863 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why sometimes the video is mixed up? The phase of the picture changes sometimes, and sometimes make it fuzzy. What causes that? < 1488572880 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what video? < 1488572893 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The video signal displayed on the computer screen < 1488572901 0 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Binary ♥ < 1488572901 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sending you video, this is a text irc channel < 1488572905 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1488572931 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, interference in the VGA cable because it's too long or too close to power cables usually < 1488572959 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :other possible causes are video chipset problems and monitor problems and dodgy cable < 1488572998 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but VGA cable is the most frequent problem, and the good fix is to use monitor with DVI or HDMI or whatever this fancy even newer digital connection instead < 1488573003 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monitor and motherboard < 1488573460 0 :pixels!~pixels@216.186.213.77 JOIN :#esoteric < 1488573586 0 :adu!~ajr@static-108-48-76-194.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1488573658 0 :adu!~ajr@static-108-48-76-194.washdc.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1488574440 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1488574600 0 :moony!~moonythed@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf JOIN :#esoteric < 1488574631 0 :moony!~moonythed@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let a = a + 1; a < 1488574634 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : :1:17: error: < 1488574634 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : parse error (possibly incorrect indentation or mismatched brackets) < 1488574650 0 :moony!~moonythed@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :>let a = a + 1 < 1488574656 0 :moony!~moonythed@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Cant haskell* < 1488574661 0 :moony!~moonythed@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let a = a + 1 < 1488574664 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : : error: not an expression: ‘let a = a + 1’ < 1488574668 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :moony: in < 1488574668 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let { a = a + 1; } in a < 1488574672 0 :moony!~moonythed@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fail < 1488574673 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :braces optional in this case < 1488574689 0 :moony!~moonythed@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let { a = a + 1; } in a < 1488574690 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe you want do { let a = a + 1; a } < 1488574695 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: Time limit exceeded < 1488574711 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just { let a = a + 1; a } but in Rust instead of haskell < 1488574715 0 :moony!~moonythed@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :but...i thought mueval was based on lambdabot? now lambdabot is based on mueval? < 1488574721 0 :moony!~moonythed@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :wot < 1488574744 0 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-syhmzcqwgbkpjbdl QUIT :Excess Flood < 1488574750 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :moony: both are based on each other. lazy recursion. always terminates. < 1488574904 0 :moony!~moonythed@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [1..] # demoing for someone < 1488574908 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : error: < 1488574908 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : • Couldn't match type ‘[Integer]’ < 1488574908 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : with ‘Data.Tagged.Tagged b0 (Identity b0) < 1488574914 0 :moony!~moonythed@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :*fail* < 1488574918 0 :moony!~moonythed@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [1..] < 1488574921 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19,20,21,22,23,24,25,26,27,28,... < 1488574949 0 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-ciafrvpyvfhrfpxo JOIN :#esoteric < 1488575758 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-81.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1488575990 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1488577108 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1488577201 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-81.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1488577237 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-81.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm < 1488577409 0 :Marcela_Gandara1!~Marcela_G@190-76-192-244.dyn.movilnet.com.ve JOIN :#esoteric < 1488577619 0 :Marcela_Gandara1!~Marcela_G@190-76-192-244.dyn.movilnet.com.ve QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1488578675 0 :Marcela_Gandara1!~Marcela_G@190-76-250-83.dyn.movilnet.com.ve JOIN :#esoteric < 1488579058 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-81.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1488581038 0 :Marcela_Gandara1!~Marcela_G@190-76-250-83.dyn.movilnet.com.ve QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1488581049 0 :ybden!ybden@unaffiliated/ybden QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1488581124 0 :ybden!ybden@unaffiliated/ybden JOIN :#esoteric < 1488581124 0 :Marcela_Gandara1!~Marcela_G@190-76-250-83.dyn.movilnet.com.ve JOIN :#esoteric < 1488581285 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1488582121 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zcx5n4ejug1wpa.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in < 1488582627 0 :nycs!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1488582655 0 :nycs!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1488582707 0 :nycs!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1488583493 0 :Marcela_Gandara1!~Marcela_G@190-76-250-83.dyn.movilnet.com.ve QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1488583556 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1488583571 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1488583851 0 :Marcela_Gandara1!~Marcela_G@190-76-250-83.dyn.movilnet.com.ve JOIN :#esoteric < 1488583887 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1488584291 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1488585229 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1488585477 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages-bold < 1488585477 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet said 8h 12m 33s ago: trajedy isn't just a pushdown automaton, it can also simulate 3D printers: https://imgur.com/a/SntRM < 1488585480 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fancy.