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He could never remember the word "amortized" so he put it here for convenience; but lately it's the only word he can ever remember. His arch-nemesis is Betty Crocker. He sometimes puns without noticing it. 01:10:07 `swrjan s/venie/niva/ 01:10:09 oerjan//Your omnipotent principled tyrant oerjan the excisive is a lazy expert in mercury computation. Also a Glaswede who dislikes Roald Dahl. He could never remember the word "amortized" so he put it here for connivance; but lately it's the only word he can ever remember. His arch-nemesis is Betty Crocker. He sometimes puns without noticing it. 01:10:40 `swrjan s/led/al/ 01:10:42 oerjan//Your omnipotent principal tyrant oerjan the excisive is a lazy expert in mercury computation. Also a Glaswede who dislikes Roald Dahl. He could never remember the word "amortized" so he put it here for connivance; but lately it's the only word he can ever remember. His arch-nemesis is Betty Crocker. He sometimes puns without noticing it. 01:12:47 `swrjan s/cu// 01:12:49 oerjan//Your omnipotent principal tyrant oerjan the excisive is a lazy expert in merry computation. Also a Glaswede who dislikes Roald Dahl. He could never remember the word "amortized" so he put it here for connivance; but lately it's the only word he can ever remember. His arch-nemesis is Betty Crocker. He sometimes puns without noticing it. 01:14:03 `swrjan s/uta/ac/ 01:14:05 oerjan//Your omnipotent principal tyrant oerjan the excisive is a lazy expert in merry compaction. Also a Glaswede who dislikes Roald Dahl. He could never remember the word "amortized" so he put it here for connivance; but lately it's the only word he can ever remember. His arch-nemesis is Betty Crocker. He sometimes puns without noticing it. 01:14:46 Trying to get to the top of the swrjan leaderboard? 01:14:52 ER 01:17:16 just making room hth 01:17:47 `swrjan s/memb/nd/ 01:17:49 oerjan//Your omnipotent principal tyrant oerjan the excisive is a lazy expert in merry compaction. Also a Glaswede who dislikes Roald Dahl. He could never render the word "amortized" so he put it here for connivance; but lately it's the only word he can ever remember. His arch-nemesis is Betty Crocker. He sometimes puns without noticing it. 01:18:03 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 01:19:25 -!- augur has joined. 01:20:17 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 01:26:32 `swrjan siberiei 01:26:34 oerjan//Your omnipotent principal tyrant oerjan the excisive is a lazy expert in merry compaction. Also a Glaswede who dislikes Roald Dahl. He could never render the word "amortized" so he put it here for connivance; but lately it's the only word he can ever rememe. His arch-nemesis is Betty Crocker. He sometimes puns without noticing it. 01:28:00 -!- tromp has joined. 01:29:18 -!- augur has joined. 01:33:04 -!- tromp has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds). 01:35:51 -!- guydreich has joined. 01:39:09 -!- teuchter has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 02:10:08 -!- LKoen has quit (Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.”). 02:23:21 -!- teuchter has joined. 02:26:14 -!- guydreich has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 02:28:47 -!- tromp has joined. 02:31:52 a command just for editing oerjan's wisdom entry? what is this madness 02:33:00 `culprits bin/swrjan 02:33:06 -!- tromp has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 02:33:07 shachäf 02:33:11 `` doag | wc -l 02:33:15 10427 02:33:52 `` doag | egrep 'sl?wrjan' | wc -l 02:33:57 31 02:34:41 `` dowg oerjan | wc -l 02:34:51 144 02:35:01 gross 02:35:54 whats gross is the proliferation of poorly documented (s/poorly /un/) commands 02:36:12 oerjan's been doing a great job at documenting them. 02:36:17 `? dowg 02:36:18 A dowg is a wise dog. 02:36:21 `? `dowg 02:36:22 A dowg is a wise dog. 02:36:28 `? `doag 02:36:29 ​`doag? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 02:36:30 `? `hoag 02:36:31 i mean docs man, not wisdom entries 02:36:31 ​`[hd]o[aw][gt] [] is a set of commands for querying HackEgo hg logs. `hoag is the basic version. d adds revision numbers and dates, w looks only in wisdom, and t lists oldest first. 02:36:46 oh that is a good doc 02:37:05 No one even cares about hoag at this point. 02:37:11 doags are where it's at 02:37:44 i can see how dates would be useful 02:38:08 can we have a hodag command 02:38:47 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hodag#/media/File:Hodag_002.jpg 02:39:43 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Unpleasant_Profession_of_Jonathan_Hoag 02:47:40 i want to read that 03:31:33 `? the bird 03:31:34 the bird? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 03:31:52 `learn The Bird is Cruel! 03:31:54 Relearned 'bird': The Bird is Cruel! 03:32:01 ? 03:32:05 `hoag bird 03:32:10 No output. 03:32:14 `howg bird 03:32:21 learn The Bird is Cruel! \ learn bird bird bird bird \ learn bird is a dinosaur \ learn bird bird bird bird 03:32:31 scow 03:32:41 `learn handles something that `? doesn't? 03:44:40 `? us 03:44:41 us? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 03:44:43 um 03:44:50 `? usa 03:44:51 USA apparently doesn't stand for United State Automaton. 03:44:54 `? the usa 03:44:55 the usa? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 03:44:59 *sigh* 03:45:22 `` echo wisdom/the\ * 03:45:23 wisdom/the five wisdoms wisdom/the most hideous cacophony in g minor wisdom/the neverending work wisdom/the question wisdom/the reals wisdom/the them wisdom/the third wisdom wisdom/the torus wisdom/the u wisdom/the universe wisdom/the us wisdom/the usual suspect wisdom/the walrus 03:45:42 `dowg us 03:45:51 No output. 03:45:53 hmph 03:47:15 `? the u 03:47:16 The U are a very mad people. 03:47:21 `? u 03:47:23 u? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 03:48:31 `` cd wisdom; ls the\ * | grep -v '...........' 03:48:33 the reals \ the them \ the torus \ the u \ the us \ the walrus 03:48:42 `? reals 03:48:44 The reals are an overt complete ordered Brazilian currency invented by Taneb in 1994. 03:48:49 hum 03:48:53 `? the reals 03:48:54 The reals are an overt complete ordered Brazilian currency invented by Taneb in 1994. 03:49:08 `ls wisdom/reals 03:49:09 ls: cannot access wisdom/reals: No such file or directory 03:49:12 `ls wisdom/real 03:49:12 wisdom/real 03:49:24 `dowg real 03:49:31 5623:2015-06-18 revert \ 5622:2015-06-18 ` sed -i \'s/overt //\' wisdom/real \ 5609:2015-06-18 ` sed -i \'s/a /an overt /\' wisdom/real \ 5416:2015-06-06 ` sed -i \'s/\\..*/./\' wisdom/real \ 5415:2015-06-06 mv wisdom/{"the reals",real} 03:49:46 `dowg the reals 03:49:55 5427:2015-06-06 ` ln -s real wisdom/"the reals" \ 5426:2015-06-06 ` rm wisdom/"the reals" \ 5422:2015-06-06 ` ln -s wisdom/{real,"the reals"} \ 5415:2015-06-06 mv wisdom/{"the reals",real} \ 5411:2015-06-05 le/rn the reals/The reals are a complete ordered Brazilian currency invented by Taneb i 03:50:07 shocking 03:50:20 `` ls -l wisdom/the\ reals 03:50:21 lrwxrwxrwx 1 5000 0 4 Oct 28 18:38 wisdom/the reals -> real 03:51:19 `` cd wisdom; ls a\ * | grep -v '...........' 03:51:21 No output. 03:51:28 `` cd wisdom; ls an\ * | grep -v '...........' 03:51:29 ls: cannot access an *: No such file or directory 03:52:02 shachaf: `learn never makes a key with spaces in, anyway. 03:53:57 `` grwp -l '^[Th]e ' 03:53:58 No output. 03:54:05 wat 03:54:13 oerjan: That's fine, but I thought `? would remove the space. 03:54:20 So I would simultaneously be checking the\ bird and bird 03:54:31 So I thought it was safe to overwrite. 03:55:23 i thought we had some wisdom keys which differ only in an extra "the " but apparently not. 03:55:54 there are for plurals, of course 03:56:54 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: Yawn). 04:00:31 excite at nite, but yawn at dawn 04:07:51 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds). 04:16:57 -!- guydreich has joined. 04:20:21 -!- teuchter has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 04:28:51 -!- tromp has joined. 04:33:21 -!- tromp has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds). 04:44:49 -!- tromp has joined. 04:47:47 -!- tromp has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 04:49:09 -!- tromp has joined. 04:51:41 -!- ais523 has joined. 04:51:53 50-language polyglot: http://codegolf.stackexchange.com/a/113426/62131 04:57:04 -!- teuchter has joined. 05:00:16 -!- guydreich has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds). 05:12:19 -!- ais523 has quit. 05:14:02 -!- tromp has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 05:14:16 -!- tromp has joined. 05:15:39 -!- tromp has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 05:28:01 -!- Sgeo has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds). 05:31:00 -!- martinhez has joined. 05:39:18 -!- ahmedsfhtagn has joined. 06:01:21 -!- Sgeo has joined. 07:03:48 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 07:10:46 -!- PinealGlandOptic has joined. 07:16:08 -!- tromp has joined. 07:21:01 -!- tromp has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 07:24:10 -!- hppavilion[0] has joined. 07:24:35 I want to play with abnormal physics sims 07:24:57 Like, where gravity DOES respect weight, or pulls you cubically rather than squarely 07:25:36 gravity does respect weight hth 07:27:02 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds). 07:29:14 shachaf: Mass. Fuck. 07:29:26 shachaf: ...also, technically it's the other way around 07:29:41 Are you some kind of prescriptivist? 07:30:07 shachaf: How so? 07:31:11 Physical laws are made up to describe the behavior of the world. They don't cause things to happen, they're a description of how things happen. 07:32:04 shachaf: Ah. What I'm getting at is you write down rules and a universe where those rules are accurate is simulated 07:32:33 I was talking about real gravity. 07:33:36 There's a thing by Smullyan that I can't find online so I'll link to http://www.newbanner.com/SecHumSCM/IsGodTaoist.html instead. 07:33:38 shachaf: Basically http://testtubegames.com/gravity.html with slightly fancier components 07:33:55 Oh, I played Velocity Raptor once. 08:06:51 -!- MoALTz has joined. 08:07:11 -!- ahmedsfhtagn has quit (Quit: Leaving). 08:31:09 -!- martinhez has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 08:32:18 -!- hppavilion[0] has changed nick to hppavilion[1]. 08:35:50 -!- martinhez has joined. 08:45:19 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 08:46:03 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 08:53:06 -!- erkin has joined. 08:53:39 -!- erkin has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 08:54:19 -!- erkin has joined. 09:03:14 -!- Sgeo has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds). 09:14:02 -!- hppavilion[0] has joined. 09:15:58 hppavilion[0]: stable orbits would be harder with cubic gravity (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bertrand's_theorem) 09:16:11 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds). 09:16:30 Jafet: Interesting... 09:16:40 Probably makes sense because of l2 distance 09:17:10 -!- tromp has joined. 09:17:34 But not impossible? 09:18:00 rdococ: From what I'm getting, it'd be possible, but you couldn't use any point masses in your models 09:18:40 I really want to see what the superconic sections look like, but I can't figure out how to intersect a plane with an arbitrary mesh in Octave 09:19:46 there is trivially a circular orbit for any central force 09:21:32 Jafet: Does the circle have a maximum radius? 09:21:59 well, you pick a radius and then you pick the velocity that happens to balance out the force 09:22:00 -!- tromp has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds). 09:22:02 -!- hppavilion[0] has changed nick to hppavilion[1]. 09:22:09 `wisdom 09:22:11 ​ᛁᚿ//ᛁᚿ ᛋᚿᛅᚠᚠᛚᛚᛋ ᛁᚮᚴᚢᛚᛁᛋ ᚴᛦᛆᛏᛅᛦᛅᛘ ᚴᛅᛘ ᚦᛅᛚᛁᛒᛆᛏ ᚢᛘᛒᛦᛆ ᛋᚴᛆᛦᛏᛆᛦᛁᛋ ᛁᚢᛚᛁᛁ ᛁᚿᛏᛦᛆ ᚴᛆᛚᛅᚿᚦᛆᛋ ᚦᛅᛋᚴᛅᚿᚦᛅ, ᛆᚢᚦᛆᛋ ᚢᛁᛆᛏᚮᛦ, ᛏᛅ ᛏᛅᛦᛦᛅᛋᛏᛦᛅ ᚴᛅᚿᛏᛦᚢᛘ ᛆᛏ 09:22:16 ...OK 09:22:20 `wisdom 09:22:22 ​`?//​`? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 09:22:32 `bookofeso 09:22:33 gen_sys_1.0-1:3/And fungot PMed the universe, Let there be sockets, at let one be on port 6667 for the common folk and one on 6697 for those who desire some basic fucking security: and there were two sockets, and on 6667 was one for the commonfolk and on 6697 was one for those who desired some basic fucking security. 09:22:34 wow. 09:23:06 the God in the IsGodTaoist link is, well, pedantic 09:25:03 rdococ: The god in the Book of Eso is fun. 09:25:15 fun: got 09:28:24 -!- hppavilion[0] has joined. 09:29:26 r^-84 instantly kills any planet that gets close to the star :p 09:29:52 Or next to another planet 09:30:27 now I'm trying positive exponents (so gravity gets stronger the further away you go). 09:31:36 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds). 09:31:54 now I'm trying -r^2, so it's a negative force with a positive exponent 09:32:18 wait, that won't work : 09:39:37 -!- hppavilion[0] has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds). 09:41:32 I don't get the IsGodTaoist page. Why would not having free will automatically cause you to perform cruel acts? 09:47:20 (Additionally, he could have actually told Adam, "that apple is poison" and he would be more likely to avoid it.) 09:49:21 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 09:50:59 -!- augur has joined. 09:59:01 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 10:05:55 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 10:24:12 is got daoist 10:25:21 is ergin kay 10:30:23 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 10:37:39 -!- boily has joined. 10:42:05 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 10:50:24 `wisdom 10:50:25 quine//`? quine 10:50:39 `? quine 10:50:40 ​`? quine 10:50:44 ah ^^ 10:50:50 `wisdom 10:50:52 post-industrial semi-punk nekronoise ambient happy hardcore triphop shoegaze//Post-industrial semi-punk nekronoise ambient happy hardcore triphop shoegaze is the genre of the Autobahn album "Nagelbett" according to http://thedailywtf.com/articles/Yo-Ho%2c-Yo-Ho%2c-A-Pirates-Life-for-Lee . 10:51:17 -!- LKoen has joined. 10:51:22 the fungot school of music. 10:51:23 boily: that perosn has a lotta tail recursion could be useful too =d " 10:51:32 fungot: recursively defined genre? 10:51:32 boily: fnord/ fnord/ fnord and be fast any more. i think so, yes 10:51:42 fnordcore ♪ 10:52:43 `wisdom 10:52:44 rainbow//Rainbows are spectral creatures said to be powered by the Daystar. 10:56:16 `? daystar 10:56:17 The Daystar is an unscientific myth of a bright orb glowing in the sky outside only at the times you're in your office. 10:56:32 `? nightstar 10:56:33 nightstar? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 10:59:10 -!- Sgeo has joined. 10:59:47 rdochelloc. there is no single nightstar, but all of them. 11:00:59 Actually, where I am the daystar is out right now. 11:01:03 `? nightstars 11:01:04 nightstars? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 11:05:43 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 11:07:11 `cwlprits daystar 11:07:18 b_jonäs 11:07:45 `? dawnstar 11:07:46 dawnstar? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 11:07:59 `le/rn nightstar//The Nightstars is an unscientific myth of a sky covered in faint flickering lights. Only hermits and superstitious farmers believe this. 11:08:01 Learned 'nightstar': The Nightstars is an unscientific myth of a sky covered in faint flickering lights. Only hermits and superstitious farmers believe this. 11:08:18 -!- teuchter has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 11:08:33 `? cloud 11:08:34 The cloud is a server Blackhat guy runs, connected to the internet through a cable modem. There's a lot of caching. Cloud is also the shape of clouds. 11:08:41 `? clouds 11:08:42 The cloud is a server Blackhat guy runs, connected to the internet through a cable modem. There's a lot of caching. Cloud is also the shape of clouds. 11:18:31 -!- tromp has joined. 11:20:06 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 11:22:58 -!- tromp has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 11:26:30 @localtime rdococ 11:26:31 Local time for rdococ is Tue Mar 21 11:25:43 11:26:41 I have been CTCPd! 11:26:58 one guess where it comes from. 11:27:10 well, I know where I live, so you guess 11:27:45 `? rdococ 11:27:46 rdococ is apparently from Budapest, but probably not. Thanks to boily he is approaching permanent boredom. 11:27:54 looks like it's Budapest 11:28:11 wait, budapest is UTC+01:00 11:28:21 you're four hours from here. Budapest is too far away. 11:29:05 or... I have NST! nightlight saving time! 11:30:29 -!- boily has quit (Quit: GREEN CHICKEN). 11:36:16 rdococ: not for very long 11:38:11 hmm, that sounded much less badass than when Michel Strogoff said it about Ogareff's scar. Apparently context matters. 11:39:08 Actually, I don't have DST. I already have NST, why would I need DST? 11:39:58 rdococ: are you in Iceland? 11:40:24 I'm not telling you :P 11:40:54 You must be in iceland if you don't have DST. 11:41:02 Everywhere else has DST. 11:41:17 But does anywhere have NST? 11:41:41 Okay, I'll give you a hint: I live on Mars. 11:44:30 enjoy your 25 hour day 11:44:43 Indeed, I have one extra hour per day. 11:44:49 `le//rn rdococ//rdococ is apparently from Budapest, but he is actually on Mars. Thanks to boily he is approaching permanent boredom. 11:44:52 Relearned 'rdococ': rdococ is apparently from Budapest, but he is actually on Mars. Thanks to boily he is approaching permanent boredom. 11:51:09 Mars? No way. 11:51:21 And doesn't Mars only have like an extra 15 minutes or something? 11:51:29 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 11:52:06 hmm, apparently now. they get an extra 40 minutes 11:52:31 I don't think rdococ is on Mars though. At least part of him must be on Earth. He reacts too fast to be entirely located on Mars. 11:53:06 b_jonas: That's because I've rdocscovered tachyons and tachyonic communication. I have an antitelephone next to my laptop. 11:55:27 A tachyon walks into a bar and the bartender says "What's the deal with airline food, am I right?" 11:55:31 rdococ: an "antitelephone"? is that like a chronophone? 11:55:38 or a gramophone? 11:55:47 you know, a machine that lets you send voices to the future 11:56:07 An antitelephone can send to the past. 11:56:09 It's a wireless radiotelegraph. 11:56:28 I can tell myself ten seconds ago, "2 + 2 = fish. tell me in 10s.", and he'll know. 11:56:33 In fact, I just did. 11:57:09 `? tachyon 11:57:10 The tachyon is rude and has no style, but gets away with it because of its speed. Taneb will invent it if he ever catches up. 11:57:24 I'll tell a funny tachyon joke two minutes ago. 11:57:40 The tachyon is rude and has no style, but gets away with it because of its speed. Taneb will invent it if he ever catches up, but rdococ already rdocscovered it in the future past. 11:57:56 Sounds good? 11:58:00 Isn't future past just past future anyway? 11:58:12 Possibly. Let me get my past self's opinion. 11:58:46 He says that travelling back in time from the future is the past future, and travelling forward in time is the future past. 11:59:28 rdococ: get your future self's opinion instead. they're usually wiser in hindsight. 11:59:37 Will do. 12:00:04 Alas, both my past and future selves are dumb. 12:00:41 Future me says that "When you change the future, the old future can be called the past future. The future past is similar: when you change the past, the new past is the future past." 12:01:02 "There is also a past past, which is the old past, and the future future, which is the future that someone will change it to in the future." 12:01:29 What about the past future of present now? 12:01:39 "The present past is the past as it currently is; the past past is the past as it was before someone time travelled; the future past is the past as it will be when changed by a time traveller in the future." 12:01:46 "Similarly with the present, past and future future." 12:02:43 "The past future of present now is (the future as it was before being changed by a time traveller) in the present. In other words, the past future." 12:05:01 "Anyway, gotta go now in your future, so see ya." 12:05:29 Brb, my antitelephone's ringing. 12:16:54 -!- LKoen has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 12:19:29 -!- tromp has joined. 12:23:36 -!- tromp has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 12:37:46 -!- Lord_of_Life has quit (Excess Flood). 12:41:59 -!- Lord_of_Life has joined. 12:46:43 -!- wally1337 has joined. 12:57:23 -!- tromp has joined. 13:02:53 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 13:10:23 -!- tromp has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 13:15:09 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 13:17:19 -!- LKoen has joined. 13:40:45 -!- oerjan has joined. 13:47:10 <\oren\> "At some point freemasons attempted to influence Russian politics, albeit with very limited success. Grand Master of the lodge, Andrey Bogdanov, even ran for the presidency in 2008 (he came last of four candidates with just 1.3 percent of the vote) and also assumed a high position in the rightist pro-business political party Right Cause." 13:47:16 <\oren\> "Vitaly Milonov, a centrist-conservative lawmaker best known for his campaign targeting “gay propaganda” has proposed to check if Russian freemason lodges comply with the law that restricts political activities of foreign and international groups." 13:49:42 [wiki] [[Malbolge]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51384&oldid=46375 * Malbranche * (-844) /* Cat */ Optimized and simplified cat example program 13:57:53 [wiki] [[Malbolge Unshackled]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51385&oldid=49698 * Malbranche * (-470) New Malbolge cat program does also work in Malbolge Unshackled 13:58:28 -!- Lord_of_Life has quit (Excess Flood). 14:01:30 -!- iovoid has quit (Quit: *). 14:01:59 -!- Lord_of_Life has joined. 14:02:21 -!- PinealGlandOptic has quit (Quit: leaving). 14:04:25 -!- `^_^v has joined. 14:09:35 -!- iovoid has joined. 14:11:00 -!- tromp has joined. 14:15:04 -!- `^_^v has quit (Quit: Leaving). 14:15:29 -!- tromp has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 14:15:41 -!- `^_^v has joined. 14:41:29 -!- martinhez has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 14:42:38 -!- Cale has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 14:51:17 `? fnordcore 14:51:18 fnordcore? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 14:51:35 `learn Fnordcore is fungot's favorite music genre. 14:51:35 oerjan: last time i tried, but i prefer just to use instead? mathematica? :) 14:51:37 Learned 'fnordcore': Fnordcore is fungot's favorite music genre. 14:52:10 `? positronium 14:52:11 positronium? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 14:52:44 `which from 14:52:44 ​/usr/bin/from 14:53:09 `` ls -l /usr/bin/from 14:53:10 lrwxrwxrwx 1 0 0 22 Jan 29 2014 /usr/bin/from -> /etc/alternatives/from 14:54:26 `cat bin/learn 14:54:26 ​#!/bin/bash \ topic=$(echo "$1" | lowercase | sed 's/^\(an\?\|the\) //;s/s\?[:;,.!?]\? .*//') \ [ -e "wisdom/$topic" ] && verb="Relearned" || verb="Learned" \ echo "$1" >"$(echo-p "wisdom/$topic")" \ echo "$verb '$topic': $1" 14:56:09 eww 14:56:14 I didn't want ot see that 14:56:20 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 14:57:22 OKAY 14:57:34 What does positronium sound like to you if it was a fictional ore? 14:57:46 very positive hth 14:58:35 I read that as "fictional orc" 14:59:06 I was considering, maybe it could be a crystal organ or something. 15:00:10 As in the instrument? 15:00:13 `edit bin/slashlearn 15:00:15 https://hackego.esolangs.org/edit/bin/slashlearn 15:02:17 Nah, the squishy thing that sentient meatbags have. 15:02:27 It could be an instrument too, though. 15:06:46 value="${1#*$sep}" 15:06:49 argh 15:07:17 `fetch bin/msg https://hackego.esolangs.org/get/bin/slashlearn 15:07:22 2017-03-21 15:07:16 URL:https://hackego.esolangs.org/get/bin/slashlearn [155/155] -> "bin/msg" [1] 15:07:26 `` chmod +x bin/msg 15:07:28 No output. 15:07:36 like this instrument? https://stickman.qntm.org/comics.php?n=439 15:07:57 `msg test//`echo hi 15:07:58 hi 15:08:03 `msg test ho 15:08:04 Usage: `msg //` 15:08:33 `msg test//`` echo testing; echo ho 15:08:34 testing \ ho 15:08:38 excellent 15:09:06 now i can give an extra commit comment when appropriate 15:09:56 couldn't you just do that like ``` command # comment ? 15:10:15 ``` echo "hello world" # like this 15:10:15 hello world 15:11:55 b_jonas: doesn't work with plain ` 15:12:05 sure 15:12:16 which means it ruins things like `slwd or `le/rn 15:12:24 -!- Cale has joined. 15:13:57 `msg Like this//`learn `msg //` is useful if you want to add a comment to HackEgo history for things like `sled or `le/rn. 15:13:59 Learned '`msg': `msg //` is useful if you want to add a comment to HackEgo history for things like `sled or `le/rn. 15:14:27 `dowg `msg 15:14:35 10477:2017-03-21 msg Like this//`learn `msg //` is useful if you want to add a comment to HackEgo history for things like `sled or `le/rn. 15:15:57 maybe `cmt is better 15:16:17 any spoken programming languages? 15:16:31 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 15:16:31 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Changing host). 15:16:31 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 15:16:52 . o O ( RLRP, the obvious equivalent to IRP ) 15:17:05 <\oren\> shapr: I think there was an effort to form a programming language from lojban 15:18:25 hm or even `# 15:18:28 `which # 15:18:29 No output. 15:19:05 `` mv bin/{msg,#} 15:19:07 No output. 15:19:17 `# still there? 15:19:17 Usage: `msg //` 15:19:32 `sled bin/#//s/msg/#/g 15:19:34 bin/#//sep='//`' \ [[ "$1" == ?*"$sep"* ]] || { echo 'Usage: `# '"$sep"'' >&2 ; exit 1; } \ command="${1#*$sep}" \ "${command%% *}" "${command#* }" 15:19:42 <\oren\> well another mthod would be to create a dialect of say BASIC and replace all symbols with words 15:20:12 `` mv wisdom/'`'{msg,#} 15:20:14 No output. 15:20:21 <\oren\> or even C 15:20:23 `slwd bin/#//s/msg/#/g 15:20:23 Roswbud! 15:20:31 `slwd #//s/msg/#/g 15:20:31 Roswbud! 15:20:36 oh 15:20:41 `slwd `#//s/msg/#/g 15:20:43 ​`#//`# //` is useful if you want to add a comment to HackEgo history for things like `sled or `le/rn. 15:21:33 `culprits bin/# 15:21:40 oerjän oerjän 15:21:50 shapr: there was some obscure apl-like that tried to define standard one-syllable English pronunciations for each of the symbols so you can read it in telephone more easily 15:21:52 the hg commands have become so slow :( 15:21:58 an ascii-based one that is 15:22:17 <\oren\> int main open paren close paren open curly printeff open paren double quote hello comma space world exclamation double quote close paren semicolon close curly 15:23:28 what 15:23:48 <\oren\> rdococ: hello world in pronounceable C 15:24:31 * oerjan suddenly wonders if anyone pronounces brainf*'* as braineff 15:24:38 ** 15:24:39 comment pronounceable C is absolute crap 15:24:52 *** 15:24:56 **** 15:25:08 `? brainfuck 15:25:10 brainfuck is the integral of the family of terrible esolangs. The name is a euphemism for "beef". bf -c -t "+>+++++>+++" | mklang --array 15:25:17 * FireFly read brainf*'* as a shell glob (never mind the bare quote) 15:25:34 <\oren\> rdococ itym: slash star pronounceable capital c is absolute crap star slash 15:25:38 I read it as brain eff tiny genitals 15:26:31 brain eff star single quote star 15:26:49 backwards slash oren backwards slash colon heh 15:27:28 * oerjan swats y'all for concentrating more on his typo than his actual question -----### 15:28:22 <\oren\> and then of course you need the syntax for "slash" : double quote the word slash double quote 15:28:34 forwards slash me swats letter y apostrophe all for concentrating more on his typo than his actual question dash dash dash dash dash hash hash hash 15:29:20 and then of course you need the syntax for double quote slash double quote colon the word double the word quote the word the the word word the word slash the word double the word quote 15:29:43 `? pronounceable C 15:29:44 pronounceable C? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 15:30:50 <\oren\> ok, I'm working on an implementation now 15:30:53 `le//rn pronounceable C//int main open paren close paren open curly printeff open paren double quote pronounceable capital c is the most verbose esoteric language ever comma god help you if you try to code with it comma especially without newlines period double quote close paren semicolon close curly 15:30:56 Learned 'pronounceable c': int main open paren close paren open curly printeff open paren double quote pronounceable capital c is the most verbose esoteric language ever comma god help you if you try to code with it comma especially without newlines period double quote close paren semicolon close curly 15:31:04 [wiki] [[Campfire]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51386&oldid=50821 * Leo * (+2) 15:33:29 -!- LKoen has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 15:33:56 <\oren\> the implementation will be written to convert pronounceable cee to regular C, and will be written in C and then converted to pronounceable cee 15:38:22 wut 15:39:01 -!- augur has joined. 15:40:06 <\oren\> rdococ: it will be a pronounceable cee to regular c converter wirtten in pronouceable cee 15:40:47 k 15:40:57 what will convert it to regular c to be run? 15:42:00 what humans need is single phonemes for the parentheses. 15:42:06 itself 15:44:55 how will it run itself if there is no existing pronounceable cee implementation? 15:45:19 > fix(('`':).tail.(>>= \c -> case c of '`' -> "``S"; _ -> "`K"++[c]) 15:45:21 :1:67: error: 15:45:21 parse error (possibly incorrect indentation or mismatched brackets) 15:45:24 fff 15:45:31 > fix(('`':).tail.(>>= \c -> case c of '`' -> "``S"; _ -> "`K"++[c])) 15:45:33 "``S``S`KS``S``S`KS``S`KK`KS``S``S`KS``S``S`KS``S`KK`KS``S``S`KS``S`KK`KK``S... 15:46:04 the most unabstracted combinator of all 15:48:46 what humans need is single phonemes for the parentheses. <-- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7BXPKyikB0 15:50:57 <\oren\> I will convert it manually the first tiem 15:55:29 Ørjan 15:57:29 rdococ? 15:58:02 Ørjæn? 15:58:11 no thanks. 15:59:08 `? nightstar 15:59:09 The Nightstars is an unscientific myth of a sky covered in faint flickering lights. Only hermits and superstitious farmers believe this. 15:59:27 `slwd nightstar//s/is/are/ 15:59:29 nightstar//The Nightstars are an unscientific myth of a sky covered in faint flickering lights. Only hermits and superstitious farmers believe this. 16:00:30 `? northern light 16:00:31 northern light? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 16:02:51 -!- nycs has joined. 16:04:05 -!- `^_^v has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 16:11:23 -!- tromp has joined. 16:15:28 -!- tromp has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 16:16:42 -!- dtscode has joined. 16:24:53 `? starstart 16:24:54 starstart? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 16:47:58 starstarargvee 16:52:47 `? starstar 16:52:48 starstar? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 16:53:06 b_jonas: oh, that's interesting 16:53:19 I was thinking about trying lojban 16:53:30 but I also found http://www.speech.kth.se/~rolf/NGSLT/gslt_papers_2005/quick-speech-recog.pdf 16:53:51 That uses Aarne Ranta's Grammatical Framework in Haskell, and I have some experience there already. 17:14:33 -!- hakatashi has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 17:14:54 -!- hakatashi has joined. 17:15:52 <\oren\> hmm, maybe instead we will use paren, unparen 17:15:57 <\oren\> bracket, unbracket 17:16:02 <\oren\> quote, unquote 17:16:12 <\oren\> and curly uncurly 17:17:07 <\oren\> unquote is actually the same character tho 17:17:56 \oren\: I prefer open, close, left, right, begin, end, less, greater; but that doesn't work for C++ and similar languages where "begin" and "end" and "open" and "close" occur as an identifier too 17:18:28 open/close for round parenthesis, left/right for square brackets, begin/end for curly braces, less/greater for angle brackets 17:18:42 No, it's too easy. 17:19:26 but it gets much better if you use the Hungarian words, both because they're shorter and don't clash with those identifiers: nyit, csuk, bal, jobb, kezd, vég, kisebb, nagyobb. 17:23:18 <\oren\> that's a good indea 17:25:14 very good indea 17:25:21 <\oren\> rdococ: grr 17:25:41 back slash oren back slash colon space grr 17:25:59 <\oren\> rdococ: no, you use backslash as one word 17:26:36 backslash oren backslash colon space I prefer using the word back the word slash as two words 17:42:15 "ferocity" is a word? what a crazy word 17:47:45 <\oren\> it's a synonym of forcciousness 17:47:55 <\oren\> *ferociousness 17:54:24 Ugh, I'm coming down with a cold 17:59:10 * oerjan is coming out of one, he hopes 18:01:51 \oren\, i dont think that's quite true tbh 18:02:04 oh i suppose it basically is 18:14:21 -!- Phantom__Hoover has joined. 18:15:15 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 18:22:27 -!- LKoen has joined. 18:26:45 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 18:28:11 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 18:40:22 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: Later). 18:41:24 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 18:59:59 -!- augur has joined. 19:13:16 -!- tromp has joined. 19:13:21 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 19:17:45 -!- tromp has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 19:40:45 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 19:40:48 `5 w 19:40:53 1/2:toe//The TOE is the Toe of Everything, from which our universe sprang. \ xenon//Xenon is a noble gas element. It has been banned in most countries due to xenophobia. \ semmelweis//Semmelweis saves the life of a hundred thousand birthgiving mothers by popularising This One Simple Trick. Doctors hate him for it. \ cigar//A cigar is ei 19:40:56 `n 19:40:57 2/2:ther a penis or just a cigar, dependent on Freud's current mood. \ trick//A trick learnt is a trick half forgotten. 19:41:08 `cwlprits xenon 19:41:15 oerjän 19:41:18 figures 19:41:19 oerjan++ 19:41:33 `dowg xenon 19:41:40 9925:2016-12-10 learn Xenon is a noble gas element. It has been banned in most countries due to xenophobia. 19:42:38 `cat bin/culprits 19:42:39 hoag "$@" | awk '{print substr($1,2,length($1)-2)}' | xargs 19:43:44 `dowg semmelweis 19:43:51 8032:2016-05-13 ` mv wisdom/semmelwei{,s} 19:43:54 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 19:43:56 `dowg semmelwei 19:44:03 8032:2016-05-13 ` mv wisdom/semmelwei{,s} \ 8031:2016-05-13 learn Semmelweis saves the life of a hundred thousand birthgiving mothers by popularising This One Simple Trick. Doctors hate him for it. 19:44:10 whoa whoa whoa 19:44:16 How uncharacteristic. 19:44:25 `slwd semmelweis/s. . . 19:44:25 usage: sled file//script 19:44:31 `slwd semmelweis//s. . . 19:44:33 semmelweis//Semmelweis saves the life of a hundred thousand birthgiving mothers by popularising This One Simple Trick. Doctors hate him for it. 19:46:28 ?! 19:46:29 Maybe you meant: v @ ? . 19:46:41 ha 19:48:12 hmm the zero-width space I tried to add in order to prevent that didn't make it through :-( 19:49:03 int-e: I use ^O hth 19:49:29 might work 19:49:42 Hmm, or you could use IRC colors. 19:49:46 Since you don't see them anyway. 19:49:53 true, since I don't see them anyway ;) 19:50:09 shachaf: if you asked nicely I might tell you that it's irssi ;-) 19:50:24 I already thought it was irssi. 19:50:29 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 19:50:39 Though I can't remember whether it's because of something you said or because I make baseless assumptions. 19:50:50 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 19:51:24 I just don't see any reason to give that information to any random bot that asks (though somehow they hardly ever do...) 19:51:55 irssi doesn't make overriding TIME so easy :/ 19:52:59 apparently your client doesn't respond to CTCP HUG hth 19:53:07 `? hug 19:53:09 hug? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 19:58:15 hu 19:58:17 hi 19:58:29 hi Vorpal 19:58:33 G'dorpal 20:18:19 Hej Vorpal, vad gör du nuförtiden? 20:19:48 talar vi svenska igen? just nu? 20:20:06 nu är jag lite trött 20:20:14 iaf, en bra tid att tala svenska 20:20:24 unless we should english for the benefit of the rest of the channel 20:20:28 probably 20:20:39 I can't get pijul to build :-( 20:20:45 Does rust count as an esoteric language? 20:21:05 probably not, at least it's not intended as one 20:23:48 olsner: hm? Well I still work on real time C/C++ programming for big mining equipment. 20:23:58 `? vorpal 20:23:59 Vorpal writes software for boring machines. Really big ones. 20:24:31 Vorpal: Do you use a code review tool with hg? 20:24:40 oh! sounds greatly boring 20:24:43 Well not a boring machine technically. It is blast hole drilling. 20:25:23 shachaf: at work? yes, a proprietary one that is pretty bad IMO. Doesn't integrate that well with anything. 20:25:31 smartbear something I think the name is 20:26:24 Oh, scow. 20:26:28 olsner: 200 metric tons is quite exciting :P 20:26:34 shachaf: define:scow? 20:27:04 Unclear. 20:27:13 olsner: even if it only moves (autonomously) at ~5 km/h 20:27:20 "the scow of X" means something like "the worst specimen of X" 20:27:26 ah 20:27:28 yes indeed 20:27:38 But to say that X is scow might just mean that it's not very good. 20:27:42 Anyway, been thinking about getting back into academia. Would be kind of fun. 20:28:02 Algebraic topology? 20:28:48 shachaf: CS. I have a bachelor. Been thinking about getting a masters and then maybe continue in academia after that 20:29:16 Ah. 20:29:21 Do you recommend academia? 20:29:24 Should I do it? 20:30:06 I was thinking about getting a master's degree also. 20:30:21 This map needs more sand. two cubic tons. 20:30:39 I have not been thinking about getting any degree yet, should I do that? 20:31:00 meh, it's okay 20:31:02 shapr: Oh, Alabama is a one-party state as far as the phone recording laws go? 20:31:12 the bribery party 20:32:02 shachaf: up to you 20:32:19 shachaf: also probably depends on if it is expensive in the country you live in 20:32:28 As a Swede I'm quite fortunate in that 20:32:29 I live in the United States. 20:32:37 But I guess I could move to Europe? 20:32:39 Yeah, that would be expensive then 20:32:55 shachaf: don't think it is the same across EU 20:33:14 As a citizen of one EU country can you get the benefit of another? 20:33:45 I'm not sure how that works when it comes to academia. No clue at all. 20:34:01 I could have had free schooling when I was a Swedish resident. 20:34:09 Instead I paid a really large amount of taxes, and then they asked me to leave. 20:34:11 Anyway university in the US is expensive but it's probably not *that* expensive. 20:34:21 shachaf: er, actually it is 20:34:28 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 20:34:32 I'm down to 24k of debt 20:34:42 What about public university? 20:35:32 If you get paid to go to school, then it's worth it. 20:35:39 Otherwise, it's not worth it in the USA right now. 20:35:46 Are you sure? 20:35:50 What if you do it edwardk-style? 20:36:24 The kmett transform was a special case, and they made rules against it afterwards. Also, it was still very expensive. 20:36:59 They made rules in Michigan presumably. 20:36:59 I don't know if he's paid off his brain mortgage yet. 20:37:15 True, those rules may not have migrated elsewhere. 20:37:24 but you'd need a personal assistant to do a kmett transform 20:37:36 Anyway I live in Berkeley, right by a big university. 20:37:37 Ed did all his homework in the car driving from school to school. 20:37:41 How should I take advantage of that? 20:37:48 oh, get an education! 20:37:58 -!- Phantom__Hoover has quit (Quit: Leaving). 20:37:58 *degrees* cost money, but education is free. 20:38:23 But should I stop working at my job while I do it? 20:38:40 Not unless you have a bunch of money saved? 20:38:40 then it's no longer free? 20:38:54 The opportunity cost is certainly higher than the cost of attending university. 20:39:07 I work across the street from georgia tech ... oh wait, they bought this building last month... I technically work on the georgia tech campus.. 20:39:13 and I go hang out with the smart people and learn stuff 20:39:15 edwardk once told me something like "can you believe I thought about going to university in terms of the opportunity cost?" 20:39:33 I could have had free schooling when I was a Swedish resident. <-- okay, how did that work? 20:39:43 And why are you no longer a Swedish resident 20:40:12 when moving out, you stop being a resident? 20:40:13 Well, I dumped the woman I was engaged to, and that upset her, and then our shared bookkeeper purposefully misfiled my taxes 20:40:25 ouch 20:40:37 so I thought I couldn't afford to pay my taxes and migrationsverket politely but strongly encouraged me to leave Sweden 20:40:47 Oh, I got Swedish immigration law changed twice while I was there 20:41:06 Last time I visited migrationsverket, they said "Oh, it's YOU" and pulled out an inch thick folder of papers. 20:41:12 who is edwardk? 20:41:17 edward kmett 20:41:23 He got a master's degree in ... one term? 20:41:28 Is that a name that should be familiar? 20:41:37 probably, he does a pile of cool stuff 20:41:50 Vorpal: mostly if you care about Haskell though 20:41:53 ah 20:42:10 Anyway, he found one uni that would let him transfer credits from other unis in the area, even if taken at the same time. He then found ... four? unis that he could transfer credit *from* 20:42:13 even with intentions to get into haskell I have really only scratched the surface of that language 20:42:26 So he took the max classes at all those universities, transferred all the credits, and graduated. 20:42:27 shapr: interesting. 20:42:45 Vorpal: oh, come to #haskell ! It's a neat place. 20:42:48 at least, I think so 20:42:56 I am in there 20:43:02 #haskell is kind of scow 20:43:10 I haven't been there in months. 20:43:10 hmm, is Edward the new Oleg? 20:43:12 I idle in way too many channels 20:43:12 scow? 20:43:20 It's not very good. 20:43:24 `? scow 20:43:25 * shapr scowfs at shachaf 20:43:25 Scow (S-cow) is canned meat made from cows with a lisp. 20:43:33 That doesn't seem right. 20:43:33 shachaf: what's not good about it? 20:43:36 `? scow 20:43:37 Scow (S-cow) is canned meat made from cows with a lisp. 20:43:41 anything hth 20:44:21 shachaf: if you have suggested improvements for #haskell, I'm sure the ops would love to hear about it. 20:45:05 Maybe it's just too big. 20:45:09 Everything big is bad. 20:46:07 Anyway wasn't I one of the ops? 20:46:48 yes you are 20:48:33 so I guess that means you are also responsible for fixing #haskell if you don't like how it's going? 20:48:50 I fixed it by not being in there anymore. 20:50:17 "plobrem sloved" I guess 20:51:15 I guess 20:52:22 -!- LKoen has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 21:06:02 Hmm, turns out the Semmelweis entry is mostly true. I didn't know. 21:06:28 I think "popularized" might not be true. 21:06:49 Well he kind of died trying. 21:07:29 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 21:07:30 `? int-e 21:07:31 int-e är inte svensk. Hen kommer att spränga solen. Hen står för sig själv. Hen gillar inte färger, men han gillar dissonans. 21:09:05 -!- LKoen has joined. 21:09:53 `? shachaf 21:09:54 Queen Shachaf of the Dawn sprø som selleri and cosplays Nepeta Leijon on weekends. He hates bell peppers with a passion. He doesn't know when to stop asking questions. 21:10:42 shapr sprø som selleri 21:11:04 wat 21:11:17 You don't speak Norwegian too? 21:11:29 somewhat, but didn't you ask me about celery? 21:11:55 oh, crazy as celery 21:11:56 I don't know, I don't speak Norwegian. 21:12:00 it's a different word in Swedish 21:12:03 even so, celery? 21:12:16 shachaf: are you aware that's my most common olfactory hallucination? 21:12:23 Not aware. 21:12:23 almost every single time.. it's quite frustrating 21:12:27 Celery is scow, though 21:12:33 * shapr scowls 21:12:44 It's not the scow of vegetables -- that honor is reserved for the bell pepper -- but it's nevertheless scow. 21:12:50 @google "sprø som selleri" 21:12:52 No Result Found. 21:12:56 What! 21:17:00 * int-e fetches a bell pepper from the fridge 21:21:53 According to Wikipedia: "Once authoritatively published, a ghost word occasionally may be copied widely and take a long time to be erased from usage (if it ever does)." 21:22:23 The issue I have with that is: who exactly is trying to erase it from usage? 21:22:37 there's no such thing as a ghost word hth 21:22:45 shachaf: Really? 21:22:49 shachaf: What about "BOO!" 21:23:06 I mean, dictionaries shouldn't *try* to push new words, but if they accidentally do and people start using it, there's no reason to push it out of usage 21:23:20 Ah, I'm disappointed in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghost_word 21:23:29 shachaf: Check and mate. 21:23:32 I was hoping it was a word dictionaries introduced on purpose to avoid plagiarism. 21:23:40 Especially because, if people use it, it probably has some benefit of being easier to understand or shorter to say or funner sounding. 21:23:42 But no, just a mistake. 21:23:53 shachaf: Some might do that too, any fictitious word introduced counts. 21:24:11 anyway the real joke was that "ghost word" was a ghost word 21:24:17 like, so self-referential, man, y'know? 21:24:19 Oh. 21:24:45 shachaf: Though, if dictionaries DID do that, it wouldn't really work because US law doesn't let you copyright facts (or, well, claims fictitious or otherwise) 21:25:16 US law does let you copyright presentations and collections of fact, though. 21:25:36 hellokhq 21:25:43 Which is to say, if you take someone else's dictionary and just republish it, you've fallen foul of US copyright law. 21:26:23 Is there a simple efficient ordered key-value map data structure? 21:26:59 Simple, efficient and ordered? Um, my inclination is a skip list. 21:27:13 Everyone's is. :-( 21:27:17 'dord' is a great dictionary-related word. 21:27:25 How about non-randomized? 21:27:56 Fiiine, self-balancing tree with invasive linked list. 21:28:08 Is invasive the same as intrusive? 21:28:13 ... Yes. 21:28:26 Why do you need the linked list? 21:28:37 Because... you don't actually. 21:28:52 OK, but self-balancing trees are usually complicated. 21:28:57 I'm less good at thinking with a healing hole in my mouth. 21:29:23 Well, you wanted ordered key-value map and said non-randomized. 21:29:46 Right. Is it too much to ask? 21:30:19 If it's sufficient for you, you can deterministically balance a skip list as an O(n) operation. 21:31:00 (or indeed, as part of iterating through said list) 21:31:13 I suspect that's not happiness-making enough for you though. 21:31:20 In http://stackoverflow.com/a/32261808 edwardk points out that for any given skip list, you only really need to use use a spanning subtree of it. 21:31:37 Can you just not make the rest of the list? 21:31:42 What sort of binary tree do you get? 21:33:49 Anyway I'd be happy with a simple self-balancing tree. 21:33:53 What's the simplest one? 21:34:53 AA trees are quite simple. 21:35:50 Ah, like 2-3 trees. 21:36:12 pikhq_: what about 9 volt trees 21:36:15 Or maybe you should just use 2-3 trees directly. 21:36:35 Yep, it's the concept of red-black trees applied to 2-3 trees rather than 2-3-4. 21:36:35 alercah: you're mixing up b-trees with bat-trees hth 21:37:26 shachaf: I suppose that's an option. 21:37:49 It makes searching and such a bit more complex, but it doesn't look too bad. 21:38:49 Or maybe just use a full B-tree while you're at it? 21:39:47 Say you have 8B keys and values, and you want to fit each note in a 64B cache lines. 21:40:07 each node 21:42:48 Looks like the Rust collections library has a bunch of B-tree-based data structures. 21:43:50 Where each node has between 5 and 11 children? 21:50:36 -!- boily has joined. 21:52:41 Taneb: I thought you were going to travel to CA sometime? 21:55:26 helloily 21:56:29 -!- Lord_of_Life has quit (Excess Flood). 21:58:24 shachaf, when I have money 21:58:27 Which is not right now 21:59:31 quinthellopia! 21:59:45 Tanelle. you could sell one of your inventions! 21:59:52 Taneb: Hmm, you can save a bunch of money by not attending Compose. 22:00:01 Then spend that money to fly to North America. 22:00:29 -!- Lord_of_Life has joined. 22:00:34 I'll be in NY in ~3 weeks. 22:04:24 `wisdom 22:04:25 molum//molum is the inverse function of ybden. 22:05:04 molum molum ♪ 22:05:28 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 22:06:37 `? ybden 22:06:38 ybden daintily hides in her den, fostering dark machinations on warfare cutlery. 22:08:02 ybden: i like your website hth 22:08:19 It reminds me of a fictional character though I can't quite place which one. 22:08:29 maybe napstablook 22:10:43 helloochaf. ybden has a website? 22:10:49 correct 22:12:15 I have found the wobsite, I guess... 22:14:01 -!- MoALTz has quit (Quit: Leaving). 22:14:50 -!- tromp has joined. 22:19:28 -!- tromp has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 22:21:44 `wisdom 22:21:45 ism//Isms are philosophies, religions or ideologies that have branched off from older ones, such as Leninism or Buddhism. Etymologically "ism" is a backformation from portmanteaus on "schism". 22:22:07 backmanteau? a cape, then? 22:23:00 `cwlprits ism 22:23:07 oerjän oerjän oerjän 22:23:11 obviously 22:23:17 oerjan is too good 22:24:54 shachaf: thanks 22:25:04 I have more to add, but I will probably be keeping it fairly minimal like that 22:25:18 did you underjam, anyway 22:25:24 `? underjam 22:25:25 underjam? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 22:25:37 play the game "undertale" 22:25:39 ah 22:25:41 Yes, I did 22:25:49 It's one of my favourite games 22:25:56 * ybden somehow guessed shachaf meant this 22:26:10 Well, I mentioned a character from that game above. 22:27:38 * ybden nods 22:27:46 I do see the similarity there with my website 22:27:49 well 22:27:53 with the things written there 22:27:54 I saw a play by Ibsen a few weeks ago. 22:28:12 Your pronunciation buddy presumably. 22:29:57 -!- nycs has quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep). 22:30:07 -!- Zarutian has joined. 22:44:01 -!- erkin has quit (Quit: Ouch! Got SIGABRT, dying...). 23:05:06 `wisdom 23:05:07 transformer//A transformer is one who used to trans, but no longer does. 23:05:15 `? translator 23:05:16 translator? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 23:05:18 `? translater 23:05:19 A translater is one who transes a long time after the fact. 23:05:39 `? translocator 23:05:40 translocator? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 23:06:35 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 23:07:37 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in). 23:10:12 Is it wrong to add pronunciation to internet abbreviation slang? 23:10:18 Specifically, 'tyvm' 23:11:06 Zarutellon. what would a translocator be? 23:11:25 hppavellon[1]. it depends hth hand 23:11:34 Which I read as something like /təv'm̩/ 23:11:52 bolly: usually it is contraption in Minecraft that moves players around fast. 23:11:57 Or, well, maybe more like /tə'vm/ 23:12:18 boily: but I could also be a certain locator device ;-Þ 23:14:38 haven't cubed in quite a while, so I don't know what is a minecraftranslocator... 23:17:25 [that 'y' is as /ɪ/ in theory, but gets schwaed] 23:17:55 [also, wikt doesn't list usage of 'schwa' as a verb] 23:20:20 ;) 23:20:36 silly wiktionary, everything can be verbed 23:20:46 * boily hellolsners olsner 23:21:05 * olsner boilies boily 23:43:07 * hppavilion[1] boils olsner 23:43:16 Does Unicode have an emoji for the Shocker symbol? 23:51:50 It does not. 23:55:41 -!- tromp has joined. 23:59:50 `5 w 23:59:55 1/2:itidus19//itidus19 disappeared into a space-time anomaly \ phnglui//This wisdom existed only to test a command, but then it was deleted. \ zombiecheney//ZombieCheney lives under a bridge. \ french//Le français n'est pas le démon, visitez les Coupeurs. 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