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00:00:08 <boily> oh, new account!
00:00:16 <FreeFull> I don't remember why that wisdom says that
00:00:40 <Zarutian> izabera: you use, in the pacman, example to do pathfinding for the ghosts to wherever pacman is.
00:00:49 <boily> FreelloFull. I can't remember either...
00:01:16 <izabera> Zarutian: ok gotcha
00:01:31 <izabera> wait
00:01:53 <izabera> once a ghost gets on a path where pacman walked
00:02:05 <izabera> they'll just keep chasing it
00:02:17 <izabera> without ever making any variation
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00:02:38 <alercah> oerjan: idk
00:02:45 <alercah> I was probably drunk off tired
00:02:56 <Zarutian> izabera: the smell decays over time.
00:03:18 <Zarutian> izabera: which means that they follow a 'track' until they come across a stronger one.
00:03:48 <izabera> yeah but why would there ever be a stronger one?
00:04:06 <Zarutian> izabera: and the smell, remember, slowly percolates through the whole maze.
00:04:27 <izabera> yes ok but still
00:04:38 <Zarutian> it took me a while to get it too
00:04:56 <izabera> i got there and it doesn't work -.-
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00:06:25 <Zarutian> izabera: what I thought of is to use this kind of path finding to implement disturbance-robust replay of other players actions. With strong checkpoints like „Player Lugio bought one bread from baker Smith“.
00:07:13 <Zarutian> izabera: it is more of an diffusing gradient than something like ant-smell.
00:09:27 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Picofuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51473&oldid=51470 * Orby * (+124) /* Simple translation */
00:10:59 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Picofuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51474&oldid=51473 * Orby * (+92) /* Simple translation */
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00:11:51 <Zarutian> izabera: So, this mechanism is just one part of trainable bothaviour kind of system. (Bothaviours are behaviours that players avatars do when their players are not logged in. But it is generalized here)
00:12:32 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Talk:Picofuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51475&oldid=51472 * Orby * (+82)
00:12:38 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Talk:Picofuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51476&oldid=51475 * Oerjan * (+0) /* PFC0 */ Seems backwards
00:13:07 <Zarutian> izabera: only the training happens for your avatar as you play the game.
00:13:41 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Picofuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51477&oldid=51474 * Orby * (-1) /* Reversible Boolfuck */
00:14:03 <Zarutian> but now I am wondering if it would be too creepy
00:14:47 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Picofuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51478&oldid=51477 * Orby * (+70)
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00:16:05 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Picofuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51480&oldid=51479 * Orby * (-17) Removing redundant verbage
00:17:46 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Picofuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51481&oldid=51480 * Orby * (-24) /* Reversible Boolfuck */
00:20:05 <izabera> Zarutian: so this is a way to have your character move while you're not online?
00:24:03 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Nanofuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51482&oldid=51465 * Orby * (+67) /* See also */
00:25:02 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Picofuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51483&oldid=51481 * Oerjan * (+205) /* Reversible Boolfuck */ Simple translation
00:27:25 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Picofuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51484&oldid=51483 * Oerjan * (+4) /* Reversible Boolfuck */ Use Unicode arrows
00:28:12 <Zarutian> izabera: yes and to see other players characters move while playing offline
00:28:51 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Talk:Picofuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51485&oldid=51476 * Oerjan * (+227) /* Chatter */ Confusel
00:29:08 <Zarutian> izabera: also simplyfies a bit AI programming of NPCs and mobs.
00:30:49 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[User talk:Ais523]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51486&oldid=50097 * Orby * (+237)
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00:32:32 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Picofuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51487&oldid=51484 * Orby * (-64)
00:34:52 <Zarutian> for instance the NPCs could use simple hierchial goal system. Example would be an hungry NPC, it likes a certain dish, that can be had at Bobs Burger in town. The NPC isnt there so path-find per above to the nearest exit. And so on.
00:37:05 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Picofuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51488&oldid=51487 * Orby * (+32) Clarifying a little bit.
00:37:15 <Zarutian> Hence why the pharmachist at the potion shop is in lunch break ;-)
00:38:12 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Picofuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51489&oldid=51488 * Orby * (+0) Fixing typo
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00:40:35 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Talk:Picofuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51490&oldid=51485 * Orby * (+185)
00:41:56 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Picofuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51491&oldid=51489 * Orby * (-4) Renaming reversible boolfuck to reversible bitfuck
00:43:12 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Talk:Picofuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51492&oldid=51490 * Oerjan * (+212) /* Candidate languages */ Nope.
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00:44:14 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Nanofuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51493&oldid=51482 * Orby * (+26) Renaming Reversible Boolfuck to Reversible Bitfuck
00:50:14 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Talk:Picofuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51494&oldid=51492 * Orby * (+156)
00:53:14 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Talk:Picofuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51495&oldid=51494 * Orby * (+214)
00:53:56 <oerjan> keeping up with wiki pages while they're being constantly edited is also confusing :(
00:55:46 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Works in progress]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51496&oldid=51471 * Orby * (-1)
00:56:57 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Picofuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51497&oldid=51491 * Orby * (+56) Adding see also section
00:59:28 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Talk:Picofuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51498&oldid=51495 * Oerjan * (+281) /* Candidate languages */ Oops.
01:02:46 <boily> what's an Orby?
01:03:11 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Picofuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51499&oldid=51497 * Oerjan * (+9) /* Reversible Bitfuck */ "past" doesn't seem quite right when you're jumping leftwards.
01:03:45 <oerjan> boily: you'll have to ask em
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01:06:43 <hppavilion[1]> Is the standard theory of fuzzy sets named "ZFC-ish"?
01:07:21 <oerjan> unlikely
01:07:30 <hppavilion[1]> oerjan: Awww...
01:09:10 <boily> hppavellon[1]. the Z is Zadeh, not Zermelo hth
01:09:37 <boily> (the fuzzy Z, that is.)
01:09:42 <quintopia> helloily
01:10:41 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Talk:Picofuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51500&oldid=51498 * Orby * (+132)
01:10:45 <boily> quinthellopia!
01:11:11 <quintopia> whats new
01:12:15 <hppavilion[1]> "A set can only contain a copy of itself to a degree less than it is contained in all others"
01:12:30 <quintopia> nice
01:12:52 <hppavilion[1]> (so you can have S \in S, but it has to be to a degree less than 1, and so on. Or something)
01:13:23 <boily> quintopia: tile shuffling and weird videos, ballistic corks and dubious French translations, Algerian food and orange ink.
01:14:26 <hppavilion[1]> I think that there's a logical way to make this work, but I'm still thinking. Maybe the elements of a fuzzy set within another fuzzy set are included to at most the degree of the former in the latter?
01:14:30 <quintopia> of these i am most intrigued by weird videos
01:15:16 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Talk:Picofuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51501&oldid=51500 * Oerjan * (+347) /* PFC0 */ Unscratch that
01:17:00 <boily> quintopia: on Monday nights I attend the Lundi Douteux. talk show with weird panelists, weird special guests, and a weird VJ set, with weird auctions and a bad movie.
01:17:09 <boily> do you know about Everything is Terrible?
01:17:16 <quintopia> no
01:17:41 <quintopia> that all sounds fun tho
01:18:10 <quintopia> i havent done much fun social stuff in a couple weeks
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01:22:24 <boily> quintopia: :(... here's a chicken: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miomuSGoPzI
01:30:31 <quintopia> well this weekend should be better
01:30:39 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Talk:Picofuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51502&oldid=51501 * Oerjan * (+604) /* Chatter */ Observation
01:30:57 <quintopia> i have two new games and am going to see friends
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01:38:44 <oerjan> <\oren\> can you tell why this is so wrong? <-- i think so.
01:41:59 <boily> quintopia: !
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02:05:26 <moonythedwarf> Moo
02:09:52 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Talk:Picofuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51504&oldid=51503 * Orby * (+102) /* PFC0 */
02:10:27 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Talk:Picofuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51505&oldid=51504 * Orby * (-18) /* PFC0 */
02:11:07 <boily> mhelloony.
02:12:02 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Talk:Picofuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51506&oldid=51505 * Orby * (+8)
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02:39:14 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Talk:Picofuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51509&oldid=51508 * Orby * (+1071)
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02:41:02 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Talk:Picofuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51511&oldid=51510 * Orby * (-1)
02:41:36 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Talk:Picofuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51512&oldid=51511 * Orby * (+32)
02:42:15 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Talk:Picofuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51513&oldid=51512 * Orby * (-1)
02:42:22 <hppavilion[1]> You know what, *nixy line endings are stupid.
02:42:44 <hppavilion[1]> It should be \r\n or \n\r, just using \n is an atrocity before god because they do different things dammit
02:42:47 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Talk:Picofuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51514&oldid=51513 * Orby * (+2) /* Properties of PF languages */
02:43:58 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Talk:Picofuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51515&oldid=51514 * Orby * (+0) /* PFC0 */
02:45:21 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Talk:Picofuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51516&oldid=51515 * Orby * (+65) /* Candidate languages */
02:45:49 <hppavilion[1]> (I'm fine with languages having a shorthand for it- maybe \r for CR, \l for LF, and \n for CRLF, but they should be distinct in encoding)
02:46:04 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Talk:Picofuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51517&oldid=51516 * Orby * (+12) /* Candidate languages */
02:46:54 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Talk:Picofuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51518&oldid=51517 * Orby * (-4) /* Property II */
02:47:28 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Talk:Picofuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51519&oldid=51518 * Orby * (+0) /* Property II */
02:48:11 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Talk:Picofuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51520&oldid=51519 * Orby * (+1) /* Property II */
02:50:20 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Talk:Picofuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51521&oldid=51520 * Orby * (+12) /* Properties of PF languages */
02:51:32 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Talk:Picofuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51522&oldid=51521 * Orby * (-1)
02:53:20 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Talk:Picofuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51523&oldid=51522 * Orby * (-1128) Moving properties to main page
02:53:59 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Picofuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51524&oldid=51499 * Orby * (+1128) Adding properties section
02:54:52 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Picofuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51525&oldid=51524 * Orby * (+13) /* Property I */
02:55:39 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Talk:Picofuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51526&oldid=51523 * Orby * (+8) /* Candidate languages */
02:57:45 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Talk:Picofuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51527&oldid=51526 * Orby * (+153) /* PFC0 */
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03:08:22 <tswett_to_go> hppavilion[1]: yeah, I'm pretty sure that 2^[[0,1][1,0]] is well-defined.
03:08:38 <tswett_to_go> There's a thing called the "matrix exponential" that you can do with square matrices.
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03:10:06 <tswett_to_go> As far as I know, the matrix exponential pretty much does everything you could hope for.
03:10:36 <tswett_to_go> One property it does not have is that for all matrices X and Y, exp(X + Y) = exp(X) exp(Y).
03:10:51 <tswett_to_go> That would imply that all exponential matrices commute with each other, and they don't.
03:11:07 <tswett_to_go> (I'm just going off of Wikipedia btw; I don't actually know any of this stuff I'm saying.)
03:11:09 <oerjan> it's true if X and Y commute
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03:12:16 <oerjan> (hm, do i really know that? it must be true though.)
03:12:44 <tswett_to_go> It is, in fact, true.
03:13:03 <tswett_to_go> I don't know why the commutativity of X with Y implies the commutativity of exp(X) with exp(Y).
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03:13:06 <oerjan> actually, if X and Y commute, so does the closed algebra they generate, which contains all the exponentials.
03:13:28 <oerjan> QED
03:13:30 * tswett_to_go . o O ( what *are* exponentials, anyway )
03:13:46 <oerjan> you define them via the usual power series for exp(x)
03:13:55 <tswett_to_go> I know.
03:13:59 <tswett_to_go> But what *are* they, deep down inside?
03:14:20 <oerjan> homomorphisms from addition to multiplication
03:14:39 <oerjan> hm that's not true for noncommutative ones
03:15:12 <oerjan> although it's true on the single generated subalgebra.
03:15:59 <oerjan> *y
03:16:28 <oerjan> all this generalizes to infinite-dimensional banach algebras btw.
03:18:49 <tswett_to_go> You know, an overridable method in a class is just an abstract method along with a suggestion about how to implement it.
03:19:15 <tswett_to_go> With the odd little caveat that that suggestion is capable of accessing the class's private members.
03:24:04 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Picofuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51530&oldid=51525 * Orby * (+325)
03:24:57 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Picofuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51531&oldid=51530 * Orby * (+1) /* Picofuck project */
03:27:32 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Picofuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51532&oldid=51531 * Orby * (+77) /* Length of a PF language */
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03:29:48 <tswett_to_go> And there's a sort of interesting thing...
03:30:01 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Picofuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51534&oldid=51533 * Orby * (+0) /* Length of a PF language */
03:30:03 <tswett_to_go> The fact that the suggestion is capable of accessing the private members is sort of an accident.
03:30:17 <tswett_to_go> Why not provide multiple *different* default implementations which a child class is allowed to choose from?
03:30:48 <tswett_to_go> What if I have two different methods, and I want to require the child to take the default implementation for either both or neither?
03:33:06 <tswett_to_go> Scala allows all this. You can make a class that has a bunch of "suggested implementations" hanging off of it, in the form of traits. Each one can have an implementation of any number of the methods.
03:33:49 <tswett_to_go> Then a child class can choose any non-contradictory combination of traits it wants.
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03:54:54 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Picofuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51536&oldid=51535 * Orby * (+0) /* Property II */
03:58:46 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Picofuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51537&oldid=51536 * Orby * (+110) /* Property III */
03:59:41 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Picofuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51538&oldid=51537 * Orby * (+75) /* Property III */
04:00:23 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Picofuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51539&oldid=51538 * Orby * (+8) /* Property III */ clarifying
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04:32:21 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Talk:Picofuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51540&oldid=51529 * Oerjan * (+468) More observations
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05:37:11 <quintopia> <3 schmoyoho
05:39:36 <\oren\> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YO7n_qaQJUA
05:46:04 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Picofuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51541&oldid=51539 * Orby * (-13) /* Property II */
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05:55:55 <quintopia> is that just some japanese girl using facerig?
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06:04:52 <\oren\> quintopia: I... assume so
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06:24:56 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Picofuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51544&oldid=51541 * Orby * (+1) /* Length of a PF language */ grammar nazi
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06:58:17 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Clem]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51553&oldid=40520 * Orby * (-27)
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08:28:15 <quintopia> hppavilion[1]: eh what does it matter. so many memes /are/ image macros.
08:29:41 <hppavilion[1]> quintopia: But not all image macros are memes
08:31:22 <quintopia> they are all trying to be memes i suspect :P
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09:04:39 <hppavilion[1]> quintopia: True, but still
09:05:02 <hppavilion[1]> quintopia: I mean, I guess you could use the definition that a meme is *any* recognizable behavior which could be replicated
09:05:13 <hppavilion[1]> But then literally everything becomes a meme
09:05:24 <hppavilion[1]> "I just murdered a busload of children" "Wow, that's so dank"
09:06:08 <hppavilion[1]> "I just signed up for Karate" "Ah, I see you're trying to pick up some new content for 4chan"
09:06:18 <hppavilion[1]> "I'm breathing" "Eh, this one is getting kind of old"
09:06:32 <hppavilion[1]> "I'm manually breathing" "F7U12"
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11:44:57 <boily> `wisdom
11:44:59 <HackEgo> coffee//Coffee is a strange brew. Enticing wisps of vapour catch the eye, the soul ensnared into dark vortices of flavour. Some minds mix in milk and sugar to counteract coffee's black magic.
11:45:28 <boily> . o O ( need coffee... )
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14:25:03 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51554&oldid=51403 * Btzy * (+235) /* Introductions */
14:25:24 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Brainfuck implementations]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51555&oldid=51405 * Btzy * (+132) /* Optimizing implementations */
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14:42:45 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Talk:Picofuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51556&oldid=51543 * Oerjan * (+541) /* Non-existence proof? */ Too simple, and typo
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15:48:06 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Talk:Picofuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51557&oldid=51556 * Orby * (+509) /* Non-existence proof? */
15:48:19 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Talk:Picofuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51558&oldid=51557 * Orby * (+72)
16:02:22 <rdococ> interesting.
16:02:27 <rdococ> turing complete mail servers.
16:02:41 <rdococ> http://okmij.org/ftp/Computation/sendmail-as-turing-machine.txt
16:02:53 <oerjan> good old oleg
16:03:03 <oerjan> (as opposed to all the new olegs)
16:03:24 <rdococ> Even Pokemon Yellow and Super Mario World are as TC as physical games can get
16:03:36 <rdococ> you can literally glitch them into executing arbitrary code. it's super cool.
16:03:58 <rdococ> people have turned Pokemon into Snake, SMW into Flappy Bird...
16:04:21 <oerjan> it's a bit meh if they do it simply by breaking into the surrounding OS
16:04:38 <oerjan> or machine code, even
16:04:55 <oerjan> (for TCness, that is.)
16:05:05 <rdococ> they use glitches such as overflowing the display RAM to manipulate other parts of RAM
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16:18:18 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Picofuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51559&oldid=51550 * Orby * (+216) Added property 4
16:18:38 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Picofuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51560&oldid=51559 * Orby * (+1) /* Property IV */
16:21:08 <hppavilion[1]> Apparently there was a storm last night
16:21:59 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Talk:Picofuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51561&oldid=51558 * Orby * (+396) /* Candidate languages */ adding PFC1
16:23:35 <\oren\> hppavilion[1]: there's always a storm happening somewhere
16:23:52 <hppavilion[1]> \oren\: A bad one here. All local school is cancelled.
16:25:40 <\oren\> specifically, the Great Red Spot on Jupiter is a storm that has been storming for almost 2 centuries at least
16:25:58 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Talk:Nanofuck]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=51562 * Hppavilion1 * (+313) /* Reversible Bitfuck Initialism */ new section
16:26:24 <hppavilion[1]> \oren\: Yeah, no, it wasn't that one.
16:27:03 <hppavilion[1]> There's something wrong with the Wikipædia box at https://v.gd/daYkyp
16:27:30 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Talk:Picofuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51563&oldid=51561 * Orby * (+337) /* Candidate languages */ Oops, I think I was a little hasty in posting PFC1
16:31:08 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Talk:Picofuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51564&oldid=51563 * Hppavilion1 * (+1) /* PFC1 */ Indented for legibility
16:31:14 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Talk:Picofuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51565&oldid=51564 * Orby * (+234) /* PFC1 */ Man, this is a real braintwister
16:31:31 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Talk:Picofuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51566&oldid=51565 * Orby * (+73) /* PFC1 */
16:32:54 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Talk:Picofuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51567&oldid=51566 * Orby * (+70) /* PFC1 */
16:33:09 <oerjan> hppavilion[1]: it is not necessary to indent when adding to your own comment.
16:33:31 <hppavilion[1]> oerjan: I was not aware of this
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16:33:58 <hppavilion[1]> doesthiswork: Sorry, it doesn't.
16:34:23 <\oren\> I prefer to exdent things
16:34:32 <hppavilion[1]> \oren\: Reverse indentation?
16:34:37 <\oren\> yeah
16:35:00 <rdococ> :/
16:35:01 <\oren\> you indent everything ELSE
16:35:31 <hppavilion[1]> rdococ: ?
16:35:36 <oerjan> wikipedia has a template for dedenting when threads get too deep
16:36:50 <rdococ> You keep indenting and exdenting. the correct practice is _ _.
16:36:50 <rdococ> lodenting
16:37:06 <rdococ> if you don't have a mono font, that won't display right, and you are crazy.
16:38:13 <\oren\> my font is not entirely mono
16:38:47 <rdococ> And you are a little crazy
16:39:00 <\oren\> There should be a specific term for fonts that have CJK characters at twice the width of latin
16:39:58 <rdococ> CCJJKK
16:40:06 <rdococ> or Duononlatin
16:40:26 <\oren\> Duel-wdith
16:42:00 <\oren\> aaaa the bild falied!
16:42:08 <\oren\> now I need to fix it
16:43:15 <b_jonas> \oren\: could you call them terminal-grid fonts?
16:43:28 <rdococ> I'm creating a set based language. Interested?
16:43:43 <\oren\> b_jonas: I suppose so
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16:45:48 <\oren\> mrguyorama: people who live 3 miles outside the city are country pumpkins
16:45:54 <\oren\> wrong window
16:46:14 <\oren\> stupid tmux, do what I meant, not what my fingers typed
16:48:17 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Brainfuck implementations]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51568&oldid=51555 * Btzy * (+22) /* Optimizing implementations */
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17:32:18 * hppavilion[1] tries to find the official website of the Amish
17:32:48 <hppavilion[1]> ...well, http://amishofficial.com/eighteen?returnUri=%2F is a porn site
17:32:55 <hppavilion[1]> [NSFW, obv.]
17:33:07 <hppavilion[1]> ...yeah, I don't want to enter.
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17:37:39 <oerjan> are the Amish even centrally organized?
17:38:10 <hppavilion[1]> oerjan: Not sure
17:39:51 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Talk:Picofuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51569&oldid=51567 * Oerjan * (+221) /* PFC1 */ Yeah impossible
17:40:24 <hppavilion[1]> YOU'LL NEVER TAKE ME ALIVE
17:40:24 * hppavilion[1] throws down a smokebomb
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17:40:52 <hppavilion[1]> Uh, whoops
17:41:12 <hppavilion[1]> The Mennonites, who are related but more lenient (more conservative ones approach Amish standards, but middling ones allow technology for religious purposes (exempli gratia playing Gospel radio){jump c}) seem to have an website ({land c}, and obviously the less conservative ones can at least find and pay someone to make them a website)
17:41:23 <hppavilion[1]> hppavilion[1]: c551ca1d2b0b8d7d6e414d77d173c841
17:41:25 <hppavilion[1]> Fuck.
17:41:37 <hppavilion[1]> That didn't work.
17:42:20 <hppavilion[1]> ...
17:42:24 <hppavilion[1]> Something's broken
17:42:50 <oerjan> shocking
17:42:54 <hppavilion[1]> oerjan: Yeah
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17:43:19 <oerjan> is that your new improved password
17:43:54 <hppavilion[12]> oerjan: Yeah, autogenerated, but Autotype didn't work
17:44:04 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Talk:Picofuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51570&oldid=51569 * Orby * (+186) /* PFC1 */ PFC1 is not PF
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17:44:19 <hppavilion[1]> Not sure why
17:44:30 <int-e> karma
17:44:34 <hppavilion[1]> Oh, I see
17:45:08 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Talk:Picofuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51571&oldid=51570 * Orby * (+81)
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17:46:47 <oerjan> @karma+ hppavilion[1]
17:46:47 <lambdabot> hppavilion[1]'s karma raised to 2.
17:46:53 <oerjan> LET'S SEE IF THAT HELPS
17:47:12 <hppavilion[1]> There, fixed autotype.
17:47:25 <hppavilion[1]> The issue was that it didn't detect my client as the appropriate target window
17:48:46 <hppavilion[1]> Because it targeted «Hexchat: * @ freenode /», which is what the empty tab I used for testing had as the title, but I was in "HexChat: hppavilion[1] @ freenode / #esoteric"
17:48:57 <hppavilion[1]> So I just set it to «Hexchat: * @ freenode /*»
17:49:32 <oerjan> grmbl the season with evening sun right into my livingroom has started.
17:51:47 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Talk:Picofuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51572&oldid=51571 * Orby * (+554) /* Chatter */
17:52:24 <hppavilion[1]> oerjan: Summer?
17:52:29 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Talk:Picofuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51573&oldid=51572 * Orby * (+11)
17:52:42 <hppavilion[1]> oerjan: Also, are you in one of those areas with the Midnight Sun?
17:54:27 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Talk:Picofuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51574&oldid=51573 * Orby * (+25)
17:55:51 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[User talk:Orby]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=51575 * Orby * (+11) Created page with "Talk to me."
17:56:15 <oerjan> hppavilion[1]: no, i'm not far enough north
17:56:26 <hppavilion[1]> oerjan: Oh.
17:56:49 <oerjan> it doesn't get actually _dark_ in midsummer, though.
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17:57:12 <hppavilion[1]> I'm not technically at the latitude where the sun *never* goes down in the summer, but we do reach a point where it doesn't go down far enough to really be considered night by ANY standard
17:57:16 <hppavilion[1]> oerjan: ...yeah, that^
17:57:26 <hppavilion[1]> oerjan: What's your latitude?
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17:57:52 * hppavilion[1] is @ 61.2163° N, apparently
17:59:15 <oerjan> 63°25′47″N
17:59:30 <hppavilion[1]> oerjan: You're north of me. Dammit.
17:59:35 <oerjan> *MWAHAHAHA*
17:59:42 <oerjan> Zarutian beats me, though.
17:59:58 <hppavilion[1]> oerjan: Though we should be arguing about absolute latitude, not northiness
18:00:06 <oerjan> wat
18:00:09 <hppavilion[1]> So someone at 96° S beats us.
18:00:37 * hppavilion[1] . ø Ø ( A lot of mnemonics for distinguishing two terms try to hard, where one of the terms is easily mnemonicized, then the other is kind of shoehorned in in a way that makes no sense. It's not even necessary, since knowing the first tells you that the second is the one that the first isn't. )
18:01:00 <oerjan> hppavilion[1]: i don't think we have many antarctic esolangers.
18:01:03 <hppavilion[1]> Like, the difference between a Stalactite and a Stalacmite
18:01:06 <hppavilion[1]> Whops
18:01:20 <hppavilion[1]> oerjan: Yeah, and more to the point, you can't be 96° S
18:01:31 <oerjan> ...that too.
18:01:49 <oerjan> . o O ( my position is complex )
18:01:51 <hppavilion[1]> I mean, maybe you could be, but you'd really just be 84° S at the opposite longitude
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18:02:30 <oerjan> *stalagmite, although i have no idea which is which
18:02:35 <hppavilion[1]> oerjan: Yeah
18:02:40 <hppavilion[1]> Like, the difference between a Stalactite and a Stalagmite was- as I was taught- a Stalactite clings *tight* to the ceiling
18:02:47 <oerjan> aha
18:03:10 <hppavilion[1]> But then they said that a stalagmite is remembered because it *might* join up to form a column (whatever those things are called)
18:03:41 * oerjan on the spot makes "stalaktitten titter ned fra taket"
18:04:09 <hppavilion[1]> But... (a) the same is true of a stalactite- it would be the other part of the column- and (b) if you know that a stalactite is the ceiling one, then you know that a stalagmite must be the other. So you don't really that part of the mnemonic
18:04:36 <hppavilion[1]> The Latitude vs. Longitude one is even worse: Latitude is horizontal, the rungs going up and down the earth like a ladder
18:04:55 <oerjan> avoid the Stalag, is my advice
18:05:38 <rdococ> ha
18:05:39 <oerjan> wait i thought that was russian, but it's (nazi) german
18:05:55 <oerjan> ah it's gulag
18:05:56 <hppavilion[1]> And then... something I can barely even remember about how Longitude lines are long? Which is stupid because not only are latitudes also pretty long, I'm pretty sure they're a bit over *twice* as long (since latitude goes all the way around, longitude only goes halfway (afaiirct))
18:06:09 <hppavilion[1]> Goo Log
18:06:15 <hppavilion[1]> `? absolute value
18:06:16 <HackEgo> absolute value? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
18:06:30 <rdococ> isn't longitude the horizontal axis?
18:06:45 <rdococ> well, I say horizontal. I mean yaw
18:08:16 <hppavilion[1]> `le/rn absolute value//The absolute value of a number, also known as its cosign, is its distance from zero regardless of direction. It shouldn't be negative, but Sgeo is trying to break that.
18:08:18 <HackEgo> Learned 'absolute value': The absolute value of a number, also known as its cosign, is its distance from zero regardless of direction. It shouldn't be negative, but Sgeo is trying to break that.
18:08:30 <rdococ> Ha! Cosign! Good one.
18:08:47 <hppavilion[1]> rdococ: Yeah, that was the only reason I made that.
18:08:50 <oerjan> latitudes aren't all the same length, though.
18:08:50 <rdococ> `? sign
18:08:51 <HackEgo> sign? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
18:09:51 <hppavilion[1]> oerjan: Oh, yeah, right.
18:10:05 <hppavilion[1]> oerjan: Since they aren't all great circles. Crap.
18:10:10 <hppavilion[1]> But the longest one is.
18:10:18 <rdococ> x @ y = (x + y) - (x * y)
18:10:26 <hppavilion[1]> Unfortunately, the integral of sin(x) with respect to x is -cos(x)
18:10:27 <hppavilion[1]> (+c)
18:10:40 <hppavilion[1]> rdococ: Huh? Is that useful?
18:10:48 <rdococ> hppavilion[1]: No, just mildly amusing.
18:10:58 <hppavilion[1]> rdococ: Also, no, x @ y is clearly the matrix product of x and y :P
18:11:09 <rdococ> Okay, well, it's equivalent to P(x or y) for two independent probabilities x and y.
18:11:36 <oerjan> 1 - x @ y = (1 - x) * (1 - y) hth
18:11:43 <hppavilion[1]> rdococ: You mean x xor y??
18:11:53 <rdococ> No, or.
18:11:56 <hppavilion[1]> Hm.
18:12:17 <hppavilion[1]> oerjan: There really should be a nice symbol for x?y = 1-(1-x)(1-y)
18:12:34 <hppavilion[1]> rdococ: It'd be nice if the integral of sin(x) was cos(x) because the integral of sgn(x) is abs(x)
18:12:36 <rdococ> For example, if P(x) = P(y) = 0.5, there is still a 1/4 probability that neither collapses to true.
18:13:11 <hppavilion[1]> rdococ: Collapses? Are you Copenhaging me?
18:13:27 <rdococ> You're right, I accidentally Copenhagened you.
18:13:33 <oerjan> and without being quantum, even
18:13:35 <rdococ> I prefer the other, more interesting interpretations, though.
18:13:56 <rdococ> Also, abs(x)+c*
18:14:11 <oerjan> . o O ( what's the bohmian interpretation of classical probability )
18:14:25 <rdococ> I do like how the integral of sgn(x) is abs(x)+c tho.
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18:15:16 <hppavilion[1]> rdococ: CLOSE ENOUGH
18:16:01 <hppavilion[1]> rdococ: Yeah, we're just pretending there's no +c
18:16:28 <rdococ> C = 0
18:16:30 * hppavilion[1] has never taken an εg of formal calculus, and thus doesn't know what the +c does and when it does and does not occur
18:17:10 <rdococ> Well, the derivative of f(x)+C is the same for all C.
18:17:16 <hppavilion[1]> oerjan: Quantum computing is basically the formal scientific application of esolangery, isn't it?
18:17:32 <oerjan> ER
18:17:40 <rdococ> I don't think quantum computing is that esoteric.
18:17:45 * hppavilion[1] rushes oerjan to the #esoteric emergency room
18:17:51 <hppavilion[1]> rdococ: You are clearly god then
18:18:20 <rdococ> Are you sure?!
18:18:26 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Talk:Picofuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51576&oldid=51574 * Orby * (+0) /* PFC1 */
18:19:09 <hppavilion[1]> rdococ: I have two questions for you, btw.
18:19:37 <rdococ> ?
18:20:18 <hppavilion[1]> rdococ: Why relativity? And why turbulence?
18:20:30 <rdococ> ...what?
18:20:53 <rdococ> Ohhhh...
18:21:23 <hppavilion[1]> oerjan: ...apparently something about De Broglie–Bohm theory is analogous to thermodynamics in classical mechanics?
18:21:26 <rdococ> Relativity, because everything should be equal :P
18:21:47 <rdococ> *Not mathematically equivalent, but ethically equivalent in importance.
18:22:23 <rdococ> It is just as correct to say that we are orbiting the Sun as it is to say that the rest of the universe is orbiting us.
18:25:03 <hppavilion[1]> rdococ: ...so it was so that earth *is* the center of the universe, but no country gets to claim that they're the *exact* center?
18:25:12 <hppavilion[1]> Huh. I can dig that theology.
18:25:32 <rdococ> Well, technically, in your reference frame you are the center of the universe.
18:26:19 <hppavilion[1]> I saw the headline "Chris Christie Will Head Commission on Drug Addiction" on time.com. My first thought is "Good for him getting into rehab". Not sure why.
18:26:24 <rdococ> I wonder what a world with relative acceleration is like.
18:26:36 <hppavilion[1]> I'm pretty sure he isn't famous for probably being an addict
18:27:02 <hppavilion[1]> rdococ: What exactly does that mean again?
18:27:10 <hppavilion[1]> And can I one-up you with relative jerk?
18:27:55 <rdococ> Relative jerk? More like relative jounce!
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18:29:36 <rdococ> I also had the idea of an alien culture whose two-dimensional depictions of relativity were 45 degrees rotated respective to ours (so light moving +space and light moving -space were the two main x and y axes)
18:31:18 <oerjan> how completely inhuman
18:31:51 <rdococ> Yes, but think about it.
18:32:41 <rdococ> The "time axis" would be a diagonal, and the "space axis" another diagonal. All non-tachyonic particles would have an alien-velocity in the +xy quadrant.
18:33:16 <rdococ> Instead of space time, they would have leftrightlight.
18:36:08 * oerjan is slightly reminded of some calculations he did on rule 110's speeds, trying to see if it had anything like lorentz transformations
18:38:12 <rdococ> Velocity can (I assume) be described as a 4-dimensional angle (x,y,z,t) where t > /0.5.
18:39:57 <oerjan> that's proportional to the 4-momentum
18:40:34 <oerjan> if you're not at light speed, you can normalize it by dividing by the mass.
18:41:30 <rdococ> People say (Portal 1/2) portals conserve momentum, but to me that sounds like you can go into the portal fat and slow, and exit slim and fast :Þ
18:42:00 <oerjan> well to turn fat to slim you need to violate conservation of mass
18:42:16 <rdococ> Or convert it to kinetic energy. Which probably requires energy.
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18:44:50 <\oren\> oh god the corporate netwrok is dying
18:44:57 <\oren\> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
18:45:26 <rdococ> ...Aaaaaa?
18:45:50 <rdococ> you mean A^17?
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18:53:11 <rdococ> What do you call mass times jerk?
18:55:06 <\oren\> rdococ: well, that's the same unit as the spool-up rate of a jet or rocket engine
18:55:18 <\oren\> change in force that is
18:55:47 <rdococ> How about with variable mass?
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19:03:13 <rdococ> a degree is an archour
19:13:38 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Talk:Picofuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51578&oldid=51577 * Orby * (+77) /* Chatter */
19:13:49 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Talk:Picofuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51579&oldid=51578 * Orby * (+72) /* Chatter */
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19:48:28 <rdococ> Esoteric health bars anyone?
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20:05:41 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Talk:Picofuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51580&oldid=51579 * Orby * (+1256) /* Chatter */ Working on another non-existence proof
20:07:22 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Picofuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51581&oldid=51560 * Orby * (-2044) Moving properties to talk page
20:07:43 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Talk:Picofuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51582&oldid=51580 * Orby * (+2044) Moving properties back to talk page
20:22:53 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Talk:Picofuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51583&oldid=51582 * Orby * (+4) /* Proof */
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20:37:23 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Talk:Picofuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51584&oldid=51583 * Orby * (+374) /* Non-existence proof #2 */
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20:45:53 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Talk:Picofuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51585&oldid=51584 * Orby * (+59) /* Non-existence proof #2 */
20:47:33 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Talk:Picofuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51586&oldid=51585 * Orby * (+1) /* Counter example for 2.1 */
20:48:15 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Talk:Picofuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51587&oldid=51586 * Orby * (-1) Undo revision 51586 by [[Special:Contributions/Orby|Orby]] ([[User talk:Orby|talk]])
20:50:04 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Talk:Picofuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51588&oldid=51587 * Orby * (+332) /* Counter example for 2.1 */
20:50:19 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Talk:Picofuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51589&oldid=51588 * Orby * (+70) /* Counter example for 2.1 */
20:50:34 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Talk:Picofuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51590&oldid=51589 * Orby * (-12) /* Counter example for 2.1 */
20:50:35 <APic> 😉 😎
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22:45:38 * hppavilion[1] plays 99 Luftballons on the Ocarina
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23:10:35 <boily> `wisdom
23:10:36 <HackEgo> kmc//kmc ran the International Devious Code Contest of 2013
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23:37:49 <shachaf> Is that true?
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23:47:34 <boily> kmc_: himc_! is it true?
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