< 1496707210 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1496707635 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@50-0-142-180.dsl.dynamic.fusionbroadband.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1496707669 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e4354b.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`olist 1075 < 1496707670 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olist 1075: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly boily nortti b_jonas < 1496707732 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: SHEEP CHICKEN < 1496707953 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`thanks Sgeo < 1496707954 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, Sgeo. Theo. < 1496708027 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Theobromine < 1496708075 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Used to be friends with at least one Theo < 1496708080 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote recursion < 1496708082 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :384) Turned out he got recursion, he just didn't get the return statement < 1496708088 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that was about a Theo < 1496708114 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not friends with him anymore? < 1496708188 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1496708198 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was never particularly close to that Theo < 1496708207 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lost touch with every Theo I ever knew though < 1496709085 0 :sftp!~sftp@unaffiliated/sftp QUIT :Excess Flood < 1496709197 0 :sftp!~sftp@unaffiliated/sftp JOIN :#esoteric < 1496709241 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1496709635 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1496709765 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-73-252-231-183.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1496709991 0 :wob_jonas!b03f11bb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.17.187 JOIN :#esoteric < 1496710012 0 :wob_jonas!b03f11bb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.17.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do we have a *list for the bitcoin protocol schism? < 1496710023 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`coins < 1496710028 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​06ztschestepcoin 135-loncoin 04blinifucoin 07hatercoin 08olarunticcoin 09iberacoin 02excitcoin 06omecoin 13emigusforcoin 04yelcoin 07zatiocoin 08hexcoin 09gallcoin 02bagcoin 06syriangycoin 13impcoin 04rentcoin 07frogranscoin 08bractcoin 09celcoin < 1496710029 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth < 1496710040 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can i acquire some hatercoin < 1496710256 0 :wob_jonas!b03f11bb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.17.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :" I have seen some TV sets have caption on mute, but many newer TV sets I have seen do not have that feature. Do you know why?" => TVs do caption? you mean apart from overlaying teletext (with transparent background and no bottom navi elements) on the screen? < 1496710277 0 :wob_jonas!b03f11bb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.17.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't know such a feature existed. probably I'm not up to date with how TVs work by like a decade. < 1496710644 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can usually set if you want a transparent or opaque or translucent background, as well as font settings and colours and so on for the captions < 1496710715 0 :wob_jonas!b03f11bb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.17.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, *font settings* too? you mean you can change the font (not just zoom it or move it around on the screen)? so it's not like DVD captions which are stored as bitmaps? < 1496710732 0 :wob_jonas!b03f11bb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.17.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bitmap images that is, not character-based text < 1496710860 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Captions are different than subtitles (which are stored as pictures). < 1496710904 0 :wob_jonas!b03f11bb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.17.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh what < 1496710907 0 :wob_jonas!b03f11bb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.17.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then what are captions? < 1496710924 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What fonts are available depends on the device that displays them (usually the TV set, although I have a DVD player that can decode captions, from TV, video input, VHS, and DVD). < 1496710958 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Captions are coded as text, and I think it is better than subtitles. DVDs can have captions as well as subtitles. < 1496711001 0 :wob_jonas!b03f11bb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.17.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1496711080 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are actually four different streams of captions, although usually only the first one is used as far as I can tell, although I did see one television show that mentioned that you could select the third captions if you wanted captions in Spanish. < 1496711148 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I just leave captions on all the time on my TV set anyways, although some shows do not have captions, and sometimes the people who write the captions do not do it properly.) < 1496711202 0 :wob_jonas!b03f11bb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.17.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :multiple streams isn't too surprising. some TV stations are broadcast with multiple audio streams in different languages. < 1496711204 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1496711283 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, there are sometimes multiple audio streams too, as well as multiple text streams. For digital television there is six text streams I think; analog television has four "CC" text streams and four "TEXT" text streams (the latter seem to never be used as far as I can tell). < 1496711351 0 :wob_jonas!b03f11bb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.17.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :analog television? isn't that stopped already so that people have to buy new gadgets? < 1496711356 0 :wob_jonas!b03f11bb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.17.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it is stopped here < 1496711557 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-73-252-231-183.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1496711617 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, although the analog captions are still output in the retrace intervals of analog signals if you use them. < 1496711667 0 :wob_jonas!b03f11bb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.17.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that isn't just teletext? < 1496711715 0 :wob_jonas!b03f11bb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.17.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm no, I think teletext isn't in the retrace intervals < 1496711718 0 :wob_jonas!b03f11bb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.17.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm not sure < 1496711741 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`coins < 1496711743 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​02obnbabted!coin 06lenagecoin 13triggecoin 04anocoin 07wurzellercoin 08chrcoin 09soncoin 02chercoin 06hpwcoin 13clefuckcoin 04carmacoin 07mechouffcoin 08nothcoin 09bandcoin 02miniumbrancoin 06unreamcoin 13legthcoin 04xandcoin 07omogovcoin 08hurcoin < 1496711744 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't actually know how teletext is working, so I do not know. However, I think teletext can have page numbers. < 1496711910 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1496711981 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :HDMI cannot emit captions, so you will have to command the emitting device to include captions in the picture. My own design which is Digi-RGB also does not emit captions (it can emit only the picture and nothing else), but can be used together with a IMIDI interface which may be used to emit captions (as well as other stuff). < 1496712034 0 :wob_jonas!b03f11bb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.17.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about DVI? < 1496712052 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :DVI is a subset of HDMI and also cannot emit captions. < 1496712090 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not actually have a television set which can decode captions, although the VCR/DVD combo does, so if other devices are connected through that, then the captions can be displayed. However, setting the captions needs going into the setup menu, which cannot be displayed while a VHS or DVD is playing. < 1496712113 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Subtitles can be switched while a DVD is playing, though.) < 1496712628 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you used MMIX? Did you write that article on esolang wiki? < 1496712696 0 :wob_jonas!b03f11bb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.17.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I haven't used MMIX for anything, but I did write the article < 1496712701 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1496712832 0 :wob_jonas!b03f11bb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.17.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should also write the MIX article at some point < 1496712848 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could see the Deadfish implementation I made in MMIX if you wanted to see one I suppose. Also, MMIX does support for an operating system to require the user program to map stuff if needed, because it does allow permissions (read, write, execute) to be set for each page, so if there is no permission then it is an error so you can detect segmentation errors like that. < 1496712856 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, yes MIX article should also be written. < 1496712874 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know what you wanted to write about the strange executable binary format? < 1496712959 0 :wob_jonas!b03f11bb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.17.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: sure, some of the stuff is about the NNIX abi, not just MMIX < 1496712987 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That Deadfish implementation is first program I wrote with MMIX, although I also started writing a Z-machine implementation with MMIX too.) < 1496713023 0 :wob_jonas!b03f11bb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.17.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the strange executable binary format? probably just that all the backreferences in the assembly are resolved at program load time < 1496713025 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: Yes, although NNIX is not quite a complete system as it is now anyways. < 1496713042 0 :wob_jonas!b03f11bb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.17.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also that it doesn't have separate assembly < 1496713066 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mentioned about those references in my user page too I think; I mentioned a few things about MMIX on my user page too (with a link to your MMIX article included). < 1496713098 0 :wob_jonas!b03f11bb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.17.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that it's like a format the assembler spits out in a single pass forward, so all the metadata stuff is mixed with the data, and the data can't just be mapped and then modified in place < 1496713114 0 :wob_jonas!b03f11bb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.17.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has to be all copied wordwise or something < 1496713139 0 :wob_jonas!b03f11bb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.17.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you wanted to use MMIX with a real OS, you'd just use ELF < 1496713142 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that is what it look like to me too, when I looked at it. It mean assembler can make output by one pass. < 1496713157 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think GNU MMIX does support ELF? < 1496713171 0 :wob_jonas!b03f11bb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.17.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mind you, you wouldn't want to use MMIX for real stuff, for other reasons, but you could fix those other problems without breaking most of the user-space MMIX programs < 1496713215 0 :wob_jonas!b03f11bb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.17.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what I'd guess, since gnu binutils already supports ELF for multiple platforms, it wouldn't be difficult to do that < 1496713251 0 :wob_jonas!b03f11bb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.17.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they'd still have to add some arch-specific stuff into it and the dynamic linker of course < 1496713251 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can still make the operating system that still uses the existing NNIX functions, but can add other stuff too, including other binary formats too I suppose. < 1496713279 0 :wob_jonas!b03f11bb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.17.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, the syscalls are compatible. some existing systems have multiple sets of syscalls too < 1496713359 0 :wob_jonas!b03f11bb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.17.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and even the memory mapping policy can differ per executable < 1496713400 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes it can do too < 1496713408 0 :wob_jonas!b03f11bb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.17.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the real deal breaker is the no memory protection in kernel mode, but you can probably fix that in such a way that userspace doesn't notice < 1496713462 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you can do without memory protection in kernel mode < 1496713465 0 :wob_jonas!b03f11bb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.17.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the slow interrupt mechanisms is not a deal-breaker, because other systems got around with a slow interrupt mechanism for decades until it got fixed, and it could be fixed without changing the cpu by changing only the ABI I think) < 1496713488 0 :wob_jonas!b03f11bb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.17.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: not in the real world, no. you'd just have bugs undetected that way. < 1496713520 0 :wob_jonas!b03f11bb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.17.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if you put most of the kernel to run into userspace < 1496713569 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can use an external device that looks on the address bus if you really need to I suppose, to detect memory errors while testing, or modify the emulator to test your specific kernel program < 1496713596 0 :wob_jonas!b03f11bb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.17.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: well sure, if you want technical wins < 1496713607 0 :wob_jonas!b03f11bb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.17.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you add another chip because the mmix itself can't do what you want < 1496713611 0 :wob_jonas!b03f11bb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.17.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that works < 1496713690 0 :wob_jonas!b03f11bb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.17.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what I would really like to know about CPU architecture is whether there's some realistic way to get x86_64 to have a feature where (non-huge) pages are larger (say 8K or 16K) and get real practical systems to use this feature < 1496713725 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You will need other chips for I/O anyways, but in the case I specified it is possible that you might need only for testing, possibly; still, other extensions are possible such as an implementation of MMIX that has additional special registers for controlling such additional functions. < 1496713738 0 :wob_jonas!b03f11bb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.17.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a question partly of whether you can get the kernel and userspace to cooperate with mandatory larger pages (so they can't expect per-4K mmaps) and whether the cpu caches can be rigged to handle this properly < 1496713772 0 :wob_jonas!b03f11bb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.17.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because x86_64 with larger page sizes would be really rad < 1496713794 0 :wob_jonas!b03f11bb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.17.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can only do it globally, as in, all pages have to be that size < 1496713798 0 :wob_jonas!b03f11bb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.17.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not just half the pages < 1496714038 0 :wob_jonas!b03f11bb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.17.187 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1496715889 0 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1496716549 0 :electrolex!~electrole@pool-108-26-193-3.bstnma.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1496717950 0 :Akaibu!uid118096@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nilzyjlgadtvvjcx JOIN :#esoteric < 1496718156 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Quit: Ouch! Got SIGABRT, dying... < 1496718536 0 :digitalcold!~redacted@192.73.232.206 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1496719027 0 :MDude!~MDude@pa-67-234-94-147.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :junk < 1496719029 0 :MDude!~MDude@pa-67-234-94-147.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1496719037 0 :MDude!~MDude@pa-67-234-94-147.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dangit, I'm tying to ctrl+f here < 1496719146 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1496719497 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1496719859 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@2602:306:ce74:f6a0:795a:45a5:e1ab:8311 JOIN :#esoteric < 1496722078 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@2602:306:ce74:f6a0:795a:45a5:e1ab:8311 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1496722190 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is QUIT :Quit: Zarutian < 1496724056 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1496724749 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1496724995 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1496725164 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@2602:306:ce74:f6a0:4d8c:8e05:22b4:b7b2 JOIN :#esoteric < 1496725638 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1496725736 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1496725921 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@2602:306:ce74:f6a0:4d8c:8e05:22b4:b7b2 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1496725925 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1496726009 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1496726278 0 :Akaibu!uid118096@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nilzyjlgadtvvjcx QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1496728876 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1496730684 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc443.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1496731133 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :god damn it paradox < 1496731180 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is the war between commie china and non-aligned china named "Chinese war on China"? < 1496731207 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a retarded name for a war < 1496732335 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1496732520 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1496734334 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc443.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1496734623 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc443.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1496734817 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1496737412 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.149 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1496741560 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc443.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1496741825 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc443.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1496743268 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1496748790 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1496748814 0 :nullcone!uid11626@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rxhlnhhjtlvfhebd QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1496748841 0 :Remavas-Hex!~Remavas@md-188-69-215-27.omni.lt JOIN :#esoteric < 1496748862 0 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1496748882 0 :Remavas-Hex!?@? 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NICK :sdhand < 1496751618 0 :augur!~augur@hostelling-international.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1496751782 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:c105:a3db:460b:9207 JOIN :#esoteric < 1496752085 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: FLASHLIGHT CHICKEN < 1496752604 0 :augur!~augur@hostelling-international.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1496752864 0 :augur!~augur@hostelling-international.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1496753302 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc443.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1496753549 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc443.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1496754163 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:c105:a3db:460b:9207 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1496754284 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:6d96:819e:c55a:1bec JOIN :#esoteric < 1496754477 0 :augur!~augur@hostelling-international.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1496754695 0 :electrolex!~electrole@pool-108-26-184-165.bstnma.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1496754773 0 :augur!~augur@hostelling-international.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1496754829 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03SelfiAS 5* 10New user account < 1496755611 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( do we really want to encourage selfies on the wiki ) < 1496756898 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( a mapole is just a very sturdy, non-expandable selfie stick with no way of attaching a movile phone ) < 1496756915 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :vbvbvbvbv < 1496757205 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? vbvbvbvbv < 1496757209 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :vbvbvbvbv? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1496757299 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought that if I make the string long enough it will blur the distinction between the two letters and thus hide my typo. < 1496757629 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1496757667 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. i thought you were spelling out a raspberry. < 1496757847 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc443.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1496758128 0 :atslash!~atslash@broadband-46-188-0-82.2com.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1496759526 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1496759556 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc443.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1496759716 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc443.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1496759748 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1496760456 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1089@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.16.137 JOIN :#esoteric < 1496760495 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1089@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.16.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha! They continue to use the space that an oversized card and no mana cost gives. The new scheme cards have nice full phrase titles again < 1496760510 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1089@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.16.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"What's Yours Is Now Mine" < 1496760535 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1089@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.16.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :next year: Archenemy: Mojo Jojo, another villain fit for scheming < 1496760593 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1089@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.16.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Bow to My Command" < 1496760617 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1089@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.16.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pity for the card frames though < 1496760643 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1089@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.16.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(M:tG reveals the 20 new scheme cards in the soon to be released Archenemy: Nicol Bolas product) < 1496760848 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:6d96:819e:c55a:1bec QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1496760933 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:e1dd:2aa6:cf20:2d0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1496761030 0 :augur!~augur@208.90.213.226 JOIN :#esoteric < 1496761158 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Later < 1496761276 0 :augur!~augur@208.90.213.226 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1496761280 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Micro14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52071&oldid=52061 5* 03Raddish0 5* (+18) 10 < 1496762309 0 :^v!v^@me.pxtst.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1496762537 0 :^v!v^@me.pxtst.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1496762989 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1089@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.16.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There should be a cycle of four sorcery cards like (Indoctrinate | 4WW | Sorcery | Gain control of target nongreen creature.) (Enthrall | 4UU | Sorcery | Gain control of target nongreen creature.) (Buy Loyalty | 4BB | Sorcery | Gain control of target nongreen creature.) (??? | 4RR | Gain control of target nongreen creature. < 1496762993 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1089@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.16.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1496763096 0 :atslash!~atslash@broadband-46-188-0-82.2com.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1496763121 0 :atslash!~atslash@broadband-46-188-0-82.2com.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1496763443 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it really doesn't sound like a very red thing to do < 1496763476 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if you incite a revolt you would just revel in the carnage and not try to recruit new followers :P < 1496763507 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1089@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.16.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: but doesn't red already have the most creature steal effects? they're just temporary. they're flavored as either treason or madness < 1496763508 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"instigate" may be better < 1496763595 0 :electrolex!~electrole@pool-108-26-184-165.bstnma.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1496763595 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd say the temporary aspect is part of the flavor. < 1496763605 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1089@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.16.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1496763626 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1089@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.16.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe red shouldn't be able to get such a permanent effect < 1496763800 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1496764044 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1089@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.16.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :some card names like Brainwash, Blackmail, Dominate, Domineer, Mind Control, Provoke, Puppeteer, Zombify are already taken, but a lot of good card names are free: Conscript, Draft, Embezzle, Hypnotize, Mesmerize, Overpower < 1496764215 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1089@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.16.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for white I'd prefer a name that shows that white is the only color that can make a creature serve you and actually like it, and think that serving you is the right thing, what he should have done all along < 1496764224 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1089@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.16.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indoctrinate isn't the right word for that < 1496764236 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1089@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.16.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reeducate isn't either < 1496764307 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1089@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.16.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there's probably censorship so Wizards can't name cards anything like "Labor Camp", "Mind Rape", "Drug" < 1496764348 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1089@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.16.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, whatever they called the camps where they got free labor of high schoolers? < 1496764569 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1089@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.16.137 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1496764579 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1089@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.16.137 JOIN :#esoteric < 1496764681 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1089@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.16.137 QUIT :Client Quit < 1496764692 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1089@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.16.137 JOIN :#esoteric < 1496764794 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1089@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.16.137 QUIT :Client Quit < 1496764804 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1089@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.16.137 JOIN :#esoteric < 1496764827 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1089@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.16.137 QUIT :Client Quit < 1496764849 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1089@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.16.137 JOIN :#esoteric < 1496764882 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1496764883 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1089@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.16.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :irc connection doesn't work well for some reason. anyway, they're called építőtábor, was associated with KISZ, and probably can't be mentioned on a card either. < 1496764887 0 :jaboja64!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1496764947 0 :jaboja64!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1496764956 0 :jaboja64!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1496764992 0 :jaboja64!?@? NICK :jaboja < 1496767034 0 :nchambers!~nchambers@learnprogramming/staff/nchambers QUIT :Changing host < 1496767034 0 :nchambers!~nchambers@learnprogramming/utility-bot/pb2cpy JOIN :#esoteric < 1496767042 0 :nchambers!~nchambers@learnprogramming/utility-bot/pb2cpy QUIT :Changing host < 1496767042 0 :nchambers!~nchambers@learnprogramming/staff/nchambers JOIN :#esoteric < 1496767352 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc443.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1496767489 0 :atslash!~atslash@broadband-46-188-0-82.2com.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1496767523 0 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1496768118 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc443.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1496768299 0 :MrFantastik!~rob@75-109-220-8.bcstcmtk02.com.dyn.suddenlink.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1496768307 0 :MrFantastik!~rob@75-109-220-8.bcstcmtk02.com.dyn.suddenlink.net PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1496769355 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1496769467 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:e1dd:2aa6:cf20:2d0 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1496769545 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1496770051 0 :Remavas-Hex!~Remavas@md-188-69-198-48.omni.lt JOIN :#esoteric < 1496770202 0 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1496770855 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Micro14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52072&oldid=52071 5* 03Raddish0 5* (+111) 10 < 1496771096 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1496771235 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:a9b8:29a1:4702:eaac JOIN :#esoteric < 1496772345 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1089@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.16.137 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1496772362 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1089@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.16.137 JOIN :#esoteric < 1496772469 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc443.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1496773013 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1089@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.16.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/making-magic/mechanical-color-pie-2017-2017-06-05" => "The idea being that blue only wants to transform something when they know what they're going to get, whereas red is willing to take a risk." Maro has betrayed the Simic guild and Experiment Kraj! < 1496773038 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1089@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.16.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :when has blue cared about knowing the outcome of an experiment in advance? < 1496773123 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1089@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.16.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the scheming Nicol Bolas has distorted Maro's mind about what blue should be like < 1496773198 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1496773300 0 :Herbstkind!~s1feha@ip4d16fea7.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1496773330 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc443.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1496774056 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: lol < 1496774267 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc443.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1496774558 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc443.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1496774788 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? mushroom < 1496774789 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mushroom? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1496774825 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? tanebventions < 1496774826 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tanebventions include automatic squirrel feeders, necessity, Go, submarine jousting, Fueue, the universe, special relativity, metar, weetoflakes, sand, dragons, persistence, the BBC, _46bit, cognac, progress, sanity, the Oxford comma, and this sentence. See also tanebventions: maths. He never invents anything involving sex. < 1496774868 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slwd tanebvention//sa/, s/, mushrooms&/ < 1496774869 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/bin/sed: -e expression #1, char 20: unterminated `s' command < 1496774876 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slwd tanebvention//s/, sa/, mushrooms&/ < 1496774880 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tanebvention//Tanebventions include automatic squirrel feeders, necessity, Go, submarine jousting, Fueue, the universe, special relativity, metar, weetoflakes, mushrooms, sand, dragons, persistence, the BBC, _46bit, cognac, progress, sanity, the Oxford comma, and this sentence. See also tanebventions: maths. He never invents anything involving sex. < 1496774996 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If there is a censor that Wizards of the Coast will not name card with some things, then it mean you can use such name for custom cards if they are going to fit. < 1496775077 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you can do that anyway. < 1496775160 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, although it also mean it can't conflict, as long as you know exactly what censor they have! But that seems difficult to know anyways. < 1496775167 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Куруру куру куру фува фува тобидашита но < 1496775176 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Йахо йахо фуйо фуйо фуйо фуери атама < 1496775185 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Пуйо пуйо фува фувари тобидасу йо < 1496775228 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :now, without googling, what language is the above in? < 1496775294 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Атама даке сора ни дёбон атама даке сора ни дёбон урара < 1496775299 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cyrillic, maybe? I don't know. < 1496775304 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it < 1496775321 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is written in cyrillic, but what language is it? < 1496775330 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cyrillic. < 1496775377 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cyrillic is an alphabet not a language. like right now I'm writing english in the latin alphabet < 1496775405 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, OK. < 1496775437 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But isn't Latin another different language anyways? < 1496775442 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? cyrillic < 1496775443 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cyrillic? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1496775462 0 :augur!~augur@hostelling-international.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1496775480 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but many languages other than latin use the latin alphabet < 1496775529 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. But my guess was that your writing was in Cyrillic language and using Cyrillic alphabets. < 1496775725 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no language called "cyrillic" though < 1496775726 0 :augur!~augur@hostelling-international.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1496775798 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: can you figure it out? < 1496775846 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1496775859 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the point of a "without looking it up" puzzle? < 1496776015 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :`help < 1496776015 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Runs arbitrary code in GNU/Linux. Type "`", or "`run " for full shell commands. "`fetch [] " downloads files. Files saved to $PWD are persistent, and $PWD/bin is in $PATH. $PWD is a mercurial repository, "`revert " can be used to revert to a revision. See http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/ < 1496776316 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-94.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1496776510 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway the answer is, it's japanese written in the russian alphabet < 1496776514 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :some russian is going around writing the lyrics to all these J-pop songs in the comments, in russian. < 1496776539 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's weird because he's using ва, a russian 'va', for the わ/ワ < 1496776723 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1089@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.16.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: like http://www.omniglot.com/conscripts/renglish.htm ? < 1496776804 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1089@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.16.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I still have the suspicion that cyrillic isn't a script or an alphabet, but at least two of them, the Russian script that is also used for Ukranian with modifications, and the Serbian Cyrillic script that is also used for Macedonean and Bulgarian with modifications, and the two got conflated to one script for political reasons < 1496777330 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have written some idea for a kind of variant of MMIX, where the instructions from #01 to #17 are replaced with new ones: FLOP, LDIR, STIR, LDUNO, STUNW, STUNT, STUNO, SMUX, SHIN, SHINU, SHOUT, SHOUTU. < 1496777514 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if you think is ood or whatever though < 1496777655 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1089@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.16.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: what do those instructions do? < 1496777735 0 :Herbstkind!~s1feha@ip4d16fea7.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1496777745 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :FLOP = floating point operation (the instructions that #01 to #17 used to be, as well as multiple/add together, and reciprocal, and average), LDIR = load indexed register, STIR = store indexed register, LDUNO = load unaligned octa, STUN? = store unaligned ???, SMUX = sideways multiplex (like Muxcomp64), SHIN = shift in, SHOUT = shift out. < 1496777800 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1089@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.16.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's "multiple/add together"? < 1496777827 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Unaligned loads/stores may require multiple memory accesses in order to work) < 1496777841 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: It is basically like a fused multiply add. < 1496777875 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1089@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.16.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :LDIR and STIR sound like bad ideas. would make the implementation of an optimized cpu way harder than for MMIX < 1496777994 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :They may be as slow as SYNCID in the worst case I guess. < 1496778033 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since a similar thing could be done with SYNCID too < 1496778165 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1089@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.16.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :LDUNO and STUN? => um, maybe, they sort of go against MMIX flow but could be useful, but do you have the descr of the exact behavior of the exception if you try to store through a page fault boundary? < 1496778176 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc443.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1496778193 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is a good point. < 1496778227 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1089@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.16.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yeah, LDIR and STIR have to handle rolling the register stack too < 1496778255 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1089@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.16.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that might not be worse than other instructions < 1496778323 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1089@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.16.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of STUN?, wouldn't a store octa with a byte-granular mask be better? < 1496778335 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1089@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.16.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :load-modify-store < 1496778340 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1496778357 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1089@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.16.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :still would be unusual for MMIX I guess < 1496778381 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, I suppose you may be right about a byte-granular mask < 1496778419 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1089@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.16.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are SHIN and SHOUT the two outputs of a double shift? < 1496778431 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1089@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.16.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, um < 1496778451 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1089@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.16.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the one output of a double shift, in two shift directions < 1496778482 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :SHIN is shifting left $X and the low bits of $Y are stored in the shifted in bits, and SHOUT is shifting right $X and storing the shifted out bits in $Y. < 1496778587 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1089@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.16.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :double shifts then. ok. < 1496778616 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1089@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.16.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :would those come in pairs with immediate versions? immediate shift count is actually useful there < 1496778624 0 :S1!~s1feha@ip4d16fea7.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1496778624 0 :S1!?@? NICK :Herbstkind < 1496778654 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes they do come in pairs with immediate versions. < 1496778675 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :All of the instructions I listed other than FLOP do have immediate versions too. < 1496779124 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:a9b8:29a1:4702:eaac QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1496779201 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some of things I have done in making Z-machine implementation on MMIX are stuff that I do not expect any C compiler to ever do (such as storing the VM memory at the beginning of the text segment), and some are stuff that I think a C compiler might do but I don't know whether or not it does. < 1496779344 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know? < 1496779348 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1089@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.16.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"storing the VM memory at the beginning of the text segment" -- Linux has some magic incantation for allowing you to map stuff to zero address < 1496779363 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1089@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.16.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which is normally unmapped, to catch null pointer dereference bugs) < 1496779441 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that is one of the reasons that a C compiler ordinarily will not do, I think, and why operating system is normally not implement it < 1496779474 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1089@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.16.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :um... the OS normally not allowing it is a level further than the C compiler ordinarily not doing it < 1496779478 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The actual program starts at #20000 < 1496779485 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1089@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.16.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a lot of things the OS does allow but C compilers don't like to do < 1496779531 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it is a further level, and NNIX is different than Linux of course. < 1496779591 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What numbers will be needed in ELF to use MMIX and NNIX if you are using with ELF anyways? And then those fields in the ELF header can be used to allow the operating system to implement emulation of other system you can run multiple kind of programs on your computer. < 1496779753 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1089@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.16.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"multiple kind of programs on your computer" => hmm, does Linux allow you to mix 16-bit and 32-bit code in an x86_32 executable, and farjump between them quickly without a syscall? < 1496779822 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, although it can execute both 32-bit programs and 64-bit programs on the same operating system. < 1496779833 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1089@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.16.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's different < 1496779857 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-94.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1496779883 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-94.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1496779969 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, although I did not mean mixing codes in the same program, I just meant that if the operating system and instruction set indication in the ELF header are not the native ones, that it would execute the program using an emulator. < 1496780374 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-94.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1496780419 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that storing the VM memory at the beginning of the text segment can help with the address decoding in Z-machine, because then you do not have to add the base offset. I have global registers ENDIAN and CENDIAN for endianness, where ENDIAN is 0 for big-endian and 1 for small-endian, while CENDIAN is 0 for small-endian and is 1 for big-endian. With MMIX you can add two addresses together with a LDBU instruction, so this can be use in this way. < 1496780467 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Including for reading the Z-machine header, since the Z operand can be a 8-bit immediate number. < 1496780522 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1089@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.16.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: um, can't you instead use an MOR instruction to conditionally reverse endianness? < 1496780605 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1089@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.16.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or compiling two emulator versions, one for big endian and one for little endian, and dispatching between them early? < 1496780608 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, and I did think of that too, but I decided against it, because in Z-machine there can be unaligned storage. < 1496780624 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1089@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.16.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, unaligned storage < 1496780925 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:bd4c:e508:f07c:5486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1496780927 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(All known Z-machine story files are big-endian, although because of the unaligned memory in Z-machine, it can be made to support both without more difficulty than the unalignment already results with.) < 1496781140 0 :electrolex!~electrole@pool-108-26-184-165.bstnma.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1496781247 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1089@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.16.137 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1496781423 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-94.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1496781688 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1089@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.16.137 JOIN :#esoteric < 1496781807 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc443.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1496782038 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1089@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.16.137 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1496782092 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc443.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1496782180 0 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1496782190 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:bd4c:e508:f07c:5486 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1496782196 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1496782243 0 :Akaibu!uid118096@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-uxpnzcxqpeqkljjb JOIN :#esoteric < 1496782496 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1496782574 0 :nullcone!uid11626@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-uqnnprjhqttomjwg JOIN :#esoteric < 1496782628 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Turtle1331 5* 10New user account < 1496783094 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1496783521 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52073&oldid=52064 5* 03Turtle1331 5* (+292) 10 < 1496785002 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc443.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1496785960 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-73-252-231-183.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1496786636 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07VTFF14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=52074 5* 03Programmer5000 5* (+1703) 10Created page with "'''VTFF''' is an [[esoteric programming language]] created by [[User:Programmer5000]]. It uses only 2 characters, 0x0b and 0x0c, which are '''V'''ert..." < 1496786740 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc443.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1496786801 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52075&oldid=52000 5* 03Programmer5000 5* (+11) 10Add VTFF < 1496786830 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Programmer500014]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52076&oldid=51948 5* 03Programmer5000 5* (+14) 10 < 1496787386 0 :Remavas-Hex!~Remavas@md-188-69-198-48.omni.lt QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1496787555 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? Cale < 1496787556 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cale? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1496787569 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98df:f688:285c:2658:6201:e8ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? shachaf < 1496787570 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Queen Shachaf of the Dawn sprø som selleri and cosplays Nepeta Leijon on weekends. He hates bell peppers with a passion. He doesn't know when to stop asking questions. < 1496787579 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cale sprø som selleri < 1496787624 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1496788093 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<\oren\> now, without googling, what language is the above in? <-- without reading the rest of logs, it seems to have a very similar sound to japanese. < 1496788102 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-73-252-231-183.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1496788138 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but maybe not entirely. < 1496788297 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-73-252-231-183.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1496788339 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :cv syllables, except for a couple ending n's. < 1496788427 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"tobidashita no" just has to be japanese, so either it's that or a language which has borrowed a lot from it. < 1496788445 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: he gave away the answer later, it's japanese hth < 1496788452 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY < 1496788555 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has been learning to read cyrillic while learning some russian songs. currently slightly over halfway through Moscow Nights.
< 1496788567 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can read some Cyrillic. < 1496788576 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I still usually get mixed up with some of the vowels. < 1496788616 0 :pikhq_!~pikhq@c-24-8-135-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, definitely Japanese. < 1496788642 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had the hardest time distinguishing those sh-like letters. < 1496788678 0 :pikhq_!~pikhq@c-24-8-135-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"tobidasu" is "to jump out" or "to appear suddenly". < 1496788697 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I can barely distinguish the sounds of ш and щ < 1496788710 0 :pikhq_!~pikhq@c-24-8-135-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So "tobidashita no" would be "(Because) (it) jumped out" < 1496788711 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: or "to bidasu" < 1496788725 0 :pikhq_!~pikhq@c-24-8-135-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it's a compound of "tobu" and "dasu". < 1496788791 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i actually meant remembering which letter is which. although the sounds are strange too. i think сь is weirder than both of those. < 1496788859 0 :Warrigal!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett JOIN :#esoteric < 1496788875 0 :Warrigal!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I thought of how to make object-oriented programming a bit more... Kay-like? < 1496788901 0 :Warrigal!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Object-oriented programming with static typing, I mean. < 1496788930 0 :Warrigal!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :The dynamically typed stuff... that's been Kay-like since that one guy *created* object-oriented programming. < 1496788933 0 :Warrigal!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some guy by the name of Kay. < 1496788947 0 :Warrigal!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, just do two things. < 1496788959 0 :Warrigal!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :One, classes cannot be types. Only interfaces can be types. < 1496788975 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so far this song has a particularly tricky "Все здесь". < 1496789003 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warrigal: And then what? < 1496789006 0 :Warrigal!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :And two, classes cannot have static members. < 1496789017 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1496789019 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :* "Всё здесь". < 1496789034 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(although the distinction isn't usually written) < 1496789050 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warrigal: I think that can work. < 1496789050 0 :Warrigal!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :This means you can't do, say, Console.WriteLine("Hello, world!"), because Console can't have a static method called WriteLine. < 1496789076 0 :Warrigal!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :So what do you do? Just make it an instance method? No, because then you'd want to call it like... < 1496789088 0 :Warrigal!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :new Console().WriteLine("Hello, world!"); < 1496789107 0 :Warrigal!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :But there are no constructors. Constructors are static members. < 1496789122 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, if you can do Console.WriteLine it would mean that Console is not a class, but rather is a object that is already define, or a namespace, or whatever < 1496789129 0 :Warrigal!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1496789146 0 :Warrigal!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :So what *do* you do? < 1496789164 0 :Warrigal!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, there's some type called "Console". It's an interface, of course, not a class. < 1496789180 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You will call it on the interface for stdout, or a global function < 1496789188 0 :Warrigal!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you just have to obtain a Console object and call the method. Perhaps something like... < 1496789200 0 :Warrigal!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :obtain Console.WriteLine("Hello, world!"); < 1496789219 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98df:f688:285c:2658:6201:e8ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I don't know what to make of the хо though < 1496789249 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It could be obstain by making the variable which is the Console interface for stdout, and then do. < 1496789288 0 :Warrigal!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :So where does the Console object come from? It comes from your object's context object. < 1496789296 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98df:f688:285c:2658:6201:e8ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wouldn't expect an /x/ sound in Japanese < 1496789334 0 :pikhq_!~pikhq@c-24-8-135-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could be an odd transcription? < 1496789356 0 :Warrigal!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :When the program object is initially created, it receives a context pointing at "default" obtainment methods for various interfaces. < 1496789380 0 :Warrigal!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :When you create additional objects, you can give them the same context, or you can use a different context that behaves differently. < 1496789387 0 :Warrigal!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, the point of all this... < 1496789400 0 :Warrigal!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that it's impossible to write code which depends on a particular implementation. < 1496789416 0 :Warrigal!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's *always* possible to substitute your own implementation for whatever the code is expecting. < 1496789421 0 :pikhq_!~pikhq@c-24-8-135-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyrillization_of_Japanese < 1496789469 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1496789500 0 :Warrigal!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, suppose you have some code which attempts to write to the console. Well, there's no way for it to restrict itself to only use the actual console. < 1496789509 0 :Warrigal!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :No matter how it's written, you can supply it with your *own* console instead. < 1496789541 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cale: xo? < 1496789558 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, хо < 1496789655 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warrigal: Yes. It can be the console that you pass into the input of your program, I suppose, or something a bit similar < 1496789764 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1496789832 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1496790018 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1496790121 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: are you a fungus bot < 1496790121 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: just don't make a line just for a pint. f) ' ( < 1496790145 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot is saying that cocaine is a gateway drug to alcohol < 1496790146 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: bloody grannies i tell you guys about this one < 1496790155 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :bloody grannies < 1496790186 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cale: basically, russian has no "h" sound, and х is the closest. < 1496790397 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc443.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1496790427 0 :Herbstkind!~s1feha@ip4d16fea7.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1496790439 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Remind me again why the derivative is a functor? < 1496790467 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Say you have g : U -> V; f : V -> W < 1496790493 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :D(f . g)(p) = Df(g(p)) . Dg(p) < 1496790495 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that right? < 1496790516 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although sometimes they use г to translate it instead. E.g. wikipedia's russian phonology article has an example "Адольф Гитлер". < 1496790557 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1496790582 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think г was a fricative historically, and still is in some dialects. < 1496790593 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that thing functoriality of D somehow? < 1496790605 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or do you have to use fancier categories to make it work? < 1496790686 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc443.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1496790753 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric : shachaf: I don't know what to make of the хо though ← chinese checkers? < 1496790764 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :HireFly < 1496790770 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, not chinese checkers < 1496790800 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :five-in-a-row (or tic-tac-toe I guess) < 1496790816 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :hachaf < 1496790820 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a tac-tic blunder < 1496790837 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :can i HireFly < 1496790842 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably < 1496790843 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are your rates < 1496790847 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do fireflies eat < 1496790861 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mostly they drink a lot of iced tea this time of the year < 1496790885 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i think it's a functor if you think of Df as a mapping between tangent bundles < 1496790912 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I have an interview next monday < 1496790915 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does that work? < 1496790924 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: What kind? < 1496790970 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1496790975 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well at each point x in U you have a tangent space, and that is mapped into the tangent space of g(x). < 1496790980 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, they transliterated ジャブジャブ to джабу джабу < 1496790999 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems ledzhit < 1496791035 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc443.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1496791117 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: maybe you'll end up like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guy_Goma < 1496791173 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellørjan, he\\oren\, helloochaf. < 1496791191 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bood evenily < 1496791192 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't have to helloveryone every time you join the channel < 1496791201 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: oh, the job kind < 1496791217 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no shachaf's grumpiness as engulfed the porthellos < 1496791218 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :...and not at a television company, luckily < 1496791220 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*has < 1496791228 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I think the risk of that happening is slim < 1496791286 0 :electrolex!~electrole@pool-108-26-184-165.bstnma.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1496791333 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: what are your opinions on cyrillization of japanese < 1496791402 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Twenty minutes after the television interview, Goma attended his job interview, which lasted ten minutes.[2] He was not hired.[3]" < 1496791466 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: shachaf's grumpiness knows no bounds < 1496791485 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :aiiyeeh < 1496791486 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay I build a sequence sorter... so clumsy. < 1496791501 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Is this TIS-100? < 1496791512 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1496791525 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I ever solved that task… < 1496791544 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the exposure mask viewer is also evil < 1496791557 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one was fun :D < 1496791591 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I managed to solve some of the problems quite efficiently I think < 1496791605 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: So it's the tangent space of f at the point g(p)? < 1496791655 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: the exposure mask thingy suffers from a severe lack of registers... wasn't easy to come up with a plan of attack, for me. < 1496791688 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc443.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1496791855 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the rectangle-drawing one, right? what did the input look like for each rectangle? < 1496791875 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :x,y,w,h < 1496792021 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1496792027 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't remember how I solved that one < 1496792094 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a reasonable output would be x,y,3(w times),-1, x,y+1,3(w times),-1, ... x,y+h-1,3(w times),-1. < 1496792116 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I definitely had `h` as a loop counter in some node < 1496792145 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway I managed this time < 1496792149 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o/ < 1496792180 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are some fancy surprising Turing-complete machines? < 1496792275 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com TOPIC #esoteric :Unregistered HyperCam 2 | vampiric variables | http://esolangs.org/ | logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D | https://www.dropbox.com/s/fyhqyvy3i8oh25m/wisdom.pdf | For bot testing, use #esoteric-blah < 1496792277 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't know until recently that a finite state machine with two counters was Turing-complete. < 1496792385 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: hold on what? what operations are allowed on the counters < 1496792453 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Increment, decrement, check for zero? < 1496792469 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you need anything else? < 1496792493 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1496792503 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Minsky machine < 1496792581 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's very nice, if you don't mind the doubly exponential slowdown compared to a Turing machine :) < 1496792595 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-94.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1496792617 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: the counters are unbounded natural numbers < 1496792818 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: I picked up the game again yesterday after a 6 month break (or thereabouts); the two things I'm most proud of is that I finally found a use for JRO and ANY (but none for LAST, yet). < 1496792830 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Did you play that other game? < 1496792840 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-73-252-231-183.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1496792842 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shenzhen I/O < 1496792844 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :JRO is *very* useful once one sees how to use it < 1496792846 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1496792857 0 :electrolex!~electrole@pool-108-26-184-165.bstnma.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1496792859 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1383@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.19.131 JOIN :#esoteric < 1496792868 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ANY (and sometimes LAST) are useful for demultiplexing < 1496792908 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's JRO? < 1496792917 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jump relative offset or something like that? < 1496792928 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"jump relative offset", where the offset can be variable < 1496792955 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm seeing people talk about it online. < 1496792958 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :JRO RIGHT < 1496792959 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :tg < 1496792970 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't play this game much. For some reason I think I stopped being able to run it? < 1496792970 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : oerjan: So it's the tangent space of f at the point g(p)? <-- points have tangent spaces, not functions. at least for this purpose. < 1496793025 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean the tangent space of the graph of f at the point (p,g(p)) < 1496793041 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume a tangent space of a point only makes sense if it's a point in some space? < 1496793063 0 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1496793109 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1496793132 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a differentiable manifold, in particular. < 1496793151 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: ANY is the key to really fast image generation :) < 1496793227 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: like the Russian sushi in Durarara: you have to get used to it. < 1496793235 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I have 1187 and 1151 cycle solutions for image test pattern 1 and 2, respectively; I have not compared to others) < 1496793299 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^scramble abcdefghi < 1496793299 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :acegihfdb < 1496793302 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^scramble abcdefghij < 1496793302 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :acegijhfdb < 1496793315 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1496793325 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^unscramble abcdefghi < 1496793325 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :aibhcgdfe < 1496793328 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^unscramble abcdefghij < 1496793328 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajbichdgef < 1496793370 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh not the same < 1496793397 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION was thinking someone had managed to post a PPCG question which fungot already had the brainfuck answer to
< 1496793397 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: perhaps their children will be italian, too. could be bugs, i'd rather have a scheme version of core wars. < 1496793444 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: nostril. and stop being sentient. < 1496793444 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: but it needs to recompile over half of the boxes has the wrong time, no < 1496793527 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually it should be possible to prove that those cycle counts are optimal; 1186 and 1150 are hard lower bounds anyway)