< 1496794235 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :random question: is there such a thing as a quantum of probability? < 1496794401 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that i've heard of. (assuming you mean something fundamental rather than an arbitrary unit.) < 1496794426 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are reals necessary for probability? < 1496794473 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If so, is there some sort of universal property that characterizes them as such? < 1496794503 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar ENVA < 1496794503 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :ENVA 062250Z 09007KT 040V120 CAVOK 17/08 Q1007 RMK WIND 670FT 15013KT < 1496794666 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: well, you want probabilities to be ordered, invertible, addable (if they're not too large) and multipliable. that probably is enough to fit it in an ordered field. the only thing that would be missing is the archimedean property (i.e. you could have nonstandard probabilities.) < 1496794702 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and you might of course use slightly _less_ than the reals.) < 1496794702 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Lazpeng 5* 10New user account < 1496794880 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should start a business selling beyblades as vintage fidget spinners < 1496795328 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1383@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.19.131 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: dunno. I has previously asked whether reals are important for topology. I still don't have a completely satisfying answer. < 1496795344 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc443.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1496795564 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc443.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1496795578 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1496795580 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc443.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1496796185 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1496796250 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1496796731 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1383@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.19.131 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1496797754 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :staaaaff of eeeaaarth ♪ < 1496797787 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc443.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1496798301 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98df:f688:285c:2658:6201:e8ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1496798445 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :math is like a collection of great analogies < 1496798480 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98df:f688:24f9:802a:83bd:8e10 JOIN :#esoteric < 1496799001 0 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1496799247 0 :electrolex!~electrole@pool-108-26-184-165.bstnma.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1496799366 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1496799386 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1496799780 0 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1496799918 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? math < 1496799920 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Math class is tough! < 1496799928 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`forget math < 1496799931 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Forget what? < 1496799933 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? maths < 1496799934 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maths stands for Mathematical Anti-Telharsic Harfatum Septomin. < 1496799939 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lets go shopping < 1496800103 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? what < 1496800104 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1496800118 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`forget what < 1496800119 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rm: cannot remove ‘wisdom/what’: No such file or directory \ Forget what? < 1496800149 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? what? < 1496800150 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what?? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1496800387 0 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1496801414 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc443.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1496801689 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc443.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1496801842 0 :ybden!ybden@unaffiliated/ybden QUIT :Excess Flood < 1496801882 0 :ybden!ybden@unaffiliated/ybden JOIN :#esoteric < 1496802181 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc443.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1496802278 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: FLICKERING CHICKEN < 1496802630 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Quit: Ouch! Got SIGABRT, dying... < 1496802991 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc443.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1496803042 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc443.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1496803537 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e4354b.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`stargateuniverselist http://www.blastr.com/2017-6-6/stargate-universe-cliffhanger-finally-be-resolved-new-comic-run < 1496803538 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: stargateuniverselist: not found < 1496803707 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1496803877 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07VTFF14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52077&oldid=52074 5* 03Programmer5000 5* (+63) 10 < 1496804946 0 :IronY!~IronY@unaffiliated/irony QUIT :Quit: That is all she wrote folks < 1496804968 0 :IronY!~IronY@unaffiliated/irony JOIN :#esoteric < 1496805052 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1496805376 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1496805852 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1496807906 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1496810333 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98df:f688:24f9:802a:83bd:8e10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-i0JkZnf80 < 1496814165 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc443.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1496815561 0 :Akaibu!uid118096@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-uxpnzcxqpeqkljjb QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1496817795 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc443.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1496818046 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc443.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1496819069 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1496819264 0 :atslash!~atslash@broadband-46-188-0-82.2com.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1496819518 0 :atslash!~atslash@broadband-46-188-0-82.2com.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1496819745 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1496820002 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cale: I see. < 1496820083 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell wob_jonas Well, the closed real interval has the right universal property for defining homotopy, see https://mathoverflow.net/q/92206 < 1496820083 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1496820141 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what about quasiprobabilities and other things < 1496820192 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: also what if you use rationals instead of reals for probabilities < 1496820196 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :where do you run into trouble twh < 1496823265 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.149 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1496823834 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Quit: Ouch! Got SIGABRT, dying... < 1496824247 0 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Quit: brb < 1496824276 0 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1496828674 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc443.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1496828953 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc443.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1496830512 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1496832487 0 :augur!~augur@hostelling-international.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1496832560 0 :augur!~augur@hostelling-international.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1496832663 0 :augur!~augur@hostelling-international.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1496835014 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1496835288 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1496835646 0 :j-bot!eldis4@firefly.nu JOIN :#esoteric < 1496835660 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`w < 1496835663 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gaszpacho//gaszpacho is a polish soup, traditionally szerved cold for hot szummer days < 1496836016 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1496836502 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell shachaf I know nothing about quasiprobabilities. also, everything beyond rationals starts mattering once you need to solve equations or use integrals. you cannot have normal distributions with them... but there's still probably a strict subset of the reals that suffices in practice. < 1496836502 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1496836521 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell shachaf * with only them < 1496836521 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1496837735 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1268@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.18.104 JOIN :#esoteric < 1496837746 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1268@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.18.104 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do we have a roman numeral lookup tool here? < 1496837753 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1268@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.18.104 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1496837825 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1268@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.18.104 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: hmm yes, I think I saw that post < 1496837958 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls bin/*roman* < 1496837960 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin/fromroman \ bin/toroman < 1496837968 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`fromroman xiv < 1496837969 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1496837977 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/fromroman < 1496837978 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/usr/bin/perl \ sub k{my$t;$t=~y/IVXLC/XLCDM/,$t.=("",I,II,III,IV,V,VI,VII,VIII,IX)[$_]for/./g;$r{$t}=$_;$t}k for s""\$"..4e3;print $r{(shift=~/(\w+)/)[0]},$/ < 1496837979 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1268@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.18.104 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`fromroman LXXXIX < 1496837980 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :89 < 1496837982 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1268@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.18.104 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`fromroman LXXXVII < 1496837983 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :87 < 1496837985 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1268@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.18.104 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1496837989 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1268@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.18.104 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I wrote that one < 1496837993 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1268@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.18.104 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? roman < 1496837994 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :roman? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1496837996 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1268@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.18.104 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? fromroman < 1496837997 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fromroman? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1496837997 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1268@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.18.104 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? toroman < 1496837999 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :toroman? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1496838353 0 :nullcone!uid11626@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-uqnnprjhqttomjwg QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1496838498 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`w < 1496838500 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and//And is an Intercal unary operator. < 1496838516 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: SAVE CHICKEN < 1496838539 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1268@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.18.104 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's mine too < 1496838660 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cwlprits and < 1496838670 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjän b_jonäs b_jonäs < 1496838674 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :SOMEWHAT < 1496838957 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1268@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.18.104 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`fromroman XCVI < 1496838958 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :96 < 1496838975 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1268@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.18.104 PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` echo $[1+$(fromroman XCVI)] < 1496838976 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :97 < 1496838984 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1268@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.18.104 PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` toroman echo $[1+$(fromroman XCVI)] < 1496838986 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1496838990 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1268@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.18.104 PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` toroman $[1+$(fromroman XCVI)] < 1496838991 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :XCVII < 1496839095 0 :augur!~augur@hostelling-international.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1496839135 0 :augur!~augur@208.90.213.226 JOIN :#esoteric < 1496839383 0 :augur!~augur@208.90.213.226 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1496839569 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc443.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1496839846 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc443.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1496840012 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1496840382 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is reading the iwc forum, and gently reminds wob_jonas that it's "reminds me _of_" -----### < 1496840410 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1268@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.18.104 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ah yes, that's a mistake I make all the time < 1496840413 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1268@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.18.104 PRIVMSG #esoteric :where this time... < 1496840417 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've noticed :P < 1496840424 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1268@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.18.104 PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid English < 1496840436 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.irregularwebcomic.net/draakslair/viewtopic.php?t=10146 < 1496840450 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1268@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.18.104 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hopefully people won't be considering it a mistake in a decade or two when we take over < 1496840460 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :O..KAY < 1496840549 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :incidentally if i were similarly failing to convert from norwegian, i'd be saying "reminds me on" or "reminds me at" < 1496840609 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1268@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.18.104 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, you can't just convert prepositions from one language to another so easily < 1496840758 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1268@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.18.104 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they work totally different < 1496840834 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1268@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.18.104 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and totally logical: if you want to say you're in a town in Hungarian, you use -ban or -n depending on which town it is, unless it's one of Pécs or Győr in which case you may use the conjugation -ett which doesn't even exist for any other purpose than saying that something is in those towns < 1496840837 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1268@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.18.104 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's easy < 1496840864 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :right! < 1496840891 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(norwegian also uses two different prepositions for towns, i and på) < 1496840925 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :they may be vaguely like -ban and -n in their basic meaning. < 1496841017 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1268@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.18.104 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're not vague! -ban is like "in" in English and -n is like "on". they're for marking places inside and over something respectively, and occasionally used for times too < 1496841061 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's the same with norwegian. < 1496841110 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the "vaguely" is just because it never matches perfectly. < 1496841164 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and because i remember hungarian has a 3-way distinction. < 1496841182 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1268@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.18.104 PRIVMSG #esoteric :places in Hungarian are marked in a nice symmetric table of three times three common cases: -tól, -ból, -ról, -nál, -ban, -on, -hoz, -ba, -ra, and these cases are the most common ones borrowed for saying anything other than places, together with a few more common ones like -ig and -nak. < 1496841222 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1268@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.18.104 PRIVMSG #esoteric :apart from those, there are a lot of uncommon cases, some of which are half-dead, and lots of prepositions, most of which are used with accusative case, but a few of them with other cases < 1496841246 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1268@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.18.104 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what case is used for what other than places is completely random, and towns are just crazy < 1496841251 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :prepositions? not postpositions? < 1496841265 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1268@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.18.104 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, the rest are prepositions, written before and in a separate word < 1496841285 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1268@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.18.104 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are only those approx. dozen common postpositions and about a dozen rare postpositions for cases < 1496841323 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :somehow i had gotten the impression hungarian did more postpositions, but ok < 1496841330 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1268@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.18.104 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-t for object and -val are also common. < 1496841337 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1268@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.18.104 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the postpositions are much more _common_ < 1496841346 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1268@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.18.104 PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything that's used commonly gets a postposition < 1496841375 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1268@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.18.104 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the prepositions go after too < 1496841379 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1268@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.18.104 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they're postpositions too < 1496841386 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1268@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.18.104 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this doesn't make any sense < 1496841394 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1496841424 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY < 1496841567 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1268@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.18.104 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yes, you're right, all of them are postpositions < 1496841680 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1496842502 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc443.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1496843217 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Quit: Ouch! Got SIGABRT, dying... < 1496843237 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Later < 1496843291 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc443.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1496843582 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1496843635 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc443.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1496844028 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1496844424 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1268@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.18.104 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There should be a wisdom listing what I hate. I hate wasps, mosquitos, music boxes and other forms of clockwork, raw flour, roman numerals, and the list goes on. < 1496845174 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1496845409 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do you hate roman numerals? < 1496845512 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1268@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.18.104 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're stupid and hard to read, just like analog clocks. you have to, like, count tally marks and decide which place they stand for to read them. just use hindu-arabic numerals instead. < 1496845527 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1268@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.18.104 PRIVMSG #esoteric :luckily their use is declining these days < 1496845580 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's almost like they're a stylistic thing < 1496845598 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :would you prefer an analog clock with just one hand? < 1496845639 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1268@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.18.104 PRIVMSG #esoteric :people still use them to mark the districts of Budapest, and I wish they didn't. there's some logic in using roman numerals for that, because street names can start with h-a numerals, and that numeral can be either the whole street name or just part of it, so writing the district number with a h-a numeral without some marker could be ambiguous, < 1496845696 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1268@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.18.104 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in theory a street name may have to start with a lone letter and a dot, if named from a person whose name starts with such a lone letter, and that could happen to look like a roman numeral, but I don't think there's an example of that in Budapest) < 1496845761 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1268@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.18.104 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(part of the reason for that might be that people won't choose a name that has "I." or "V." as the first word, because that would look like a dynasty number for royalties too and so confusing) < 1496845906 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do they not use hindu-arabic numerals in budapest? < 1496845932 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1268@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.18.104 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In theory you could use roman numerals as month numbers, but almost nobody seems to do that anymore; and you could use roman numerals to mark the stage (floor) of a building, but people don't do that either so you only see it in old signs. < 1496845964 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :event list wikipedia list of distics in budapest is in roman numerals < 1496845966 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1268@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.18.104 PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesthiswork: sure they do: they use h-a numerals for house numbers, postal codes, zip numbers, rarely as a street name or part of a street name, and lots of other things < 1496845967 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Micro14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52078&oldid=52072 5* 03Raddish0 5* (+61) 10 < 1496846002 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1268@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.18.104 PRIVMSG #esoteric :prices, date and time, quantities, lots of things < 1496846008 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1268@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.18.104 PRIVMSG #esoteric :h-a numerals are the default < 1496846040 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1268@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.18.104 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're used for basically everything, and roman numerals were used the last century for a few particular things as disambiguation, where a h-a numeral could cause confusion < 1496846065 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1268@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.18.104 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why they were used for districts and month numbers and floor numbers < 1496846086 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1496846106 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1268@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.18.104 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also roman numerals are used for years but only on ornamental labels on building fronts or statues, and hours ornamentally on clock faces) < 1496846188 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1268@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.18.104 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(those ornamental uses are in a decline too) < 1496846287 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you feel about sumerian numerals for disambiguation < 1496846387 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1268@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.18.104 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. I want only arabic numerals. if you want them distinctive looking, then put suffixes or prefixes to it or add dots or hyphens in the middle as "magic numbers", which is already what they're doing for lots of namespaces of numbers. < 1496846516 0 :augur!~augur@hostelling-international.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1496846682 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1268@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.18.104 PRIVMSG #esoteric :eg. phone numbers start with a plus, car reg plate numbers are of the formats AAA-999 or AAAA-99 or AAAAA-9, passport numbers have the format AA9999999, < 1496846709 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and street numbers? < 1496846756 0 :augur!~augur@hostelling-international.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1496846793 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1268@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.18.104 PRIVMSG #esoteric :driving license and personal ID license numbers have the format AA999999 and 999999AA, non-intl bank account numbers have the format 99999999-99999999-99999999 or 99999999-99999999, there are other government bureaucracy administration stuff numbers that have formats 999-999-999, 9-999999-9999, 9999999999, 99999999-9-99 resp. < 1496846833 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1268@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.18.104 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if you accidentally supply the wrong number for what's expected, you can generally recognize it from the wrong format. this is a good thing, just like "magic numbers" in digital file formats are. < 1496846859 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1268@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.18.104 PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesthiswork: streets in general have names, not numbers, but a few street names are numbers or start with a number < 1496846869 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1268@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.18.104 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're not in Manhattan < 1496847150 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1496847192 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1496847793 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1496847862 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do you say hindu-arabic numerals on one hand but roman numerals on the other < 1496847883 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1268@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.18.104 PRIVMSG #esoteric :PH: um, those are their common names, aren't they/ < 1496847902 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1268@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.18.104 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1, 2, 3 are h-a numerals, I, II, III are roman numerals < 1496847913 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :'hindu-arabic' seems longwinded to me and i normally just see them called 'arabic' < 1496847919 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Micro14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52079&oldid=52078 5* 03Raddish0 5* (+219) 10 < 1496847955 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1268@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.18.104 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the h-a ones like 1, 2, 3 are in base 10 so they correspond to how you pronounce those numbers, whereas from the roman numerals it's much harder to translate from crazy stuff like XVIII to how you pronounce it in your head, which is why they suck as district numbers < 1496847965 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1268@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.18.104 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but "arabic numeral" is ambiguous < 1496847980 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1268@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.18.104 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is why we say h-a instead < 1496848086 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Micro14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52080&oldid=52079 5* 03Raddish0 5* (+35) 10 < 1496848128 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc443.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1496848311 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :unicode calls them 'european digits' which seems like a good name to me < 1496848330 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1268@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.18.104 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's so europe-centric < 1496848368 0 :augur!~augur@208.90.213.226 JOIN :#esoteric < 1496848374 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1268@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.18.104 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd like to call them ascii numerals, but that doesn't work either, because the roman numerals are mostly ascii too, with MDCLXI < 1496848628 0 :augur!~augur@208.90.213.226 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1496848799 0 :slacko64_20668!~puppy@197.85.8.91 JOIN :#esoteric < 1496848850 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric : that's so europe-centric < 1496848854 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :'the latin alphabet' < 1496848868 0 :slacko64_20668!~puppy@197.85.8.91 QUIT :Client Quit < 1496848902 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1268@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.18.104 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ph: I don't think I ever say that. I say "latin script" or "English alphabet" or "ascii letters" or "ascii latin letters" etc < 1496848916 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1268@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.18.104 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"latin alphabet" is similarly somewhat ambiguous < 1496848954 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahahahaha < 1496848956 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1268@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.18.104 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no single alphabet for the latin script, it varies by language (and sometimes there's even more than one per language), although almost all of them are related and similar, < 1496848986 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :you think 'european numerals' is eurocentric (despite the fact that they absolutely truthfully come from europe) but you think 'english alphabet' is just fine < 1496848989 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1496849009 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1268@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.18.104 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and eventually all derived from the phoenician alphabet through the greek alphabet (which also has various version), and thus a cousin of the cyrillic and hebrew and arabic alphabets too < 1496849129 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1268@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.18.104 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ph: there's so many alphabets and half of them are arbitrary. for example, the Hungarian alphabet considers "ty" and "dz" and "dzs" and "ly" as single letters (for collation purposes and for Scrabble, but not for crosswords), but "ch" and "kh" as two letters (for collation purposes), for no reason, and it's even worse with the doubled digraphs "ssz < 1496849129 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1268@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.18.104 PRIVMSG #esoteric :" which are collated as if they were hyphenated < 1496849232 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1268@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.18.104 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: do the roman numerals, the greek numerals, and the hebrew numerals come from Europe? < 1496849265 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are nerds so obsessed with this sort of really stupid pedantry < 1496849278 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're the standard numerals used throughout europe, developed in europe < 1496849308 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1268@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.18.104 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but everyone already uses h-a numerals, so what's wrong with that? too long? < 1496849310 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do you then go out of your way to find completely petty problems with the term 'european numerals' for them < 1496849326 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1268@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.18.104 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not that the term is wrong, but that there's already an established term < 1496849331 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1268@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.18.104 PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone calls them hindu-arabic numerals < 1496849352 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone doesn't, as evidenced by me finding the term unfamiliar < 1496849363 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :and anyway i just said i liked 'european numerals' more as a name < 1496849390 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07!!!14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52081&oldid=46565 5* 03Programmer5000 5* (+5) 10Add link to !!!Batch < 1496849401 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1268@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.18.104 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I find the term "european numerals" unfamiliar < 1496849404 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07!!!14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52082&oldid=52081 5* 03Programmer5000 5* (-1) 10Fix < 1496849413 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1268@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.18.104 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pity < 1496849813 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1268@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.18.104 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1496850416 0 :electrolex!~electrole@pool-108-26-201-33.bstnma.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1496852090 0 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1496852174 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:59c2:2f4:f2c9:140b JOIN :#esoteric < 1496852286 0 :atslash!~atslash@broadband-46-188-0-82.2com.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1496852305 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1496852562 0 :atslash!~atslash@broadband-46-188-0-82.2com.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1496852575 0 :atslash!~atslash@213.87.138.42 JOIN :#esoteric < 1496853161 0 :atslash!~atslash@213.87.138.42 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1496853198 0 :atslash!~atslash@broadband-46-188-0-82.2com.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1496853584 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc443.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1496853765 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Micro14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52083&oldid=52080 5* 03Raddish0 5* (+93) 10add some more examples < 1496853861 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc443.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1496854568 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1496857164 0 :augur!~augur@208.90.213.226 JOIN :#esoteric < 1496857223 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc443.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1496857406 0 :augur!~augur@208.90.213.226 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1496857823 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc443.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1496858486 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:59c2:2f4:f2c9:140b QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1496858870 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1496860482 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1496860800 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1496861203 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Quit: Ouch! Got SIGABRT, dying... < 1496861259 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1496861282 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1496861322 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1496861342 0 :nchambers!~nchambers@learnprogramming/staff/nchambers QUIT :Changing host < 1496861342 0 :nchambers!~nchambers@learnprogramming/utility-bot/pb2cpy JOIN :#esoteric < 1496861460 0 :nchambers!~nchambers@learnprogramming/utility-bot/pb2cpy QUIT :Changing host < 1496861460 0 :nchambers!~nchambers@learnprogramming/staff/nchambers JOIN :#esoteric < 1496861461 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc443.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1496861463 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc443.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1496861466 0 :nchambers!?@? NICK :mewtwo < 1496861476 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc443.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1496861589 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, if you looked at what letters were used in recent latin works, e.g. Newton's Principia, would any of the 26 english letters be missing? < 1496861617 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :w, presumably < 1496861681 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :he does use w as a variable name and in english personal names though < 1496861752 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :similar story with k < 1496861919 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask oerjan have we seen that sword before? (GG) < 1496861919 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1496861924 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1496861934 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm so essentially the alphabet for "modern latin" would be the same as english plus æ I guess. < 1496862004 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :weirdly, I'm looking and "ae" only occurs in principia in one word, "Aer" < 1496862031 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably because there's no ligature of "Ae" < 1496862090 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so æ doesn't count as a letter < 1496862096 0 :mewtwo!?@? NICK :nchambers < 1496862674 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc443.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1496863372 0 :nchambers!~nchambers@learnprogramming/staff/nchambers QUIT :Changing host < 1496863372 0 :nchambers!~nchambers@learnprogramming/utility-bot/pb2cpy JOIN :#esoteric < 1496863394 0 :nchambers!~nchambers@learnprogramming/utility-bot/pb2cpy QUIT :Changing host < 1496863394 0 :nchambers!~nchambers@learnprogramming/staff/nchambers JOIN :#esoteric < 1496863779 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Esolang talk:Categorization14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52084&oldid=51178 5* 03Programmer5000 5* (+147) 10 < 1496863781 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@lib-01-subnet-241.rdns.cenic.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1496863839 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc443.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1496863878 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc443.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1496863890 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc443.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1496865176 0 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-rbuoqoqcwpxtgchl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1496865227 0 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-krwainrwicivuskj JOIN :#esoteric < 1496868542 0 :nullcone!uid11626@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qiqbhamsznctnxic JOIN :#esoteric < 1496868724 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1496868873 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages-fold < 1496868873 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e asked 1h 55m 53s ago: have we seen that sword before? (GG) < 1496868890 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell int-e not that i remember... < 1496868890 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1496868972 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay. < 1496868984 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages-bound < 1496868984 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan said 9h 1m 22s ago: I know nothing about quasiprobabilities. also, everything beyond rationals starts mattering once you need to solve equations or use integrals. you cannot have normal < 1496868984 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :distributions with them... but there's still probably a strict subset of the reals that suffices in practice. < 1496868984 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan said 9h 1m 3s ago: * with only them < 1496869056 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: i assumed it had been designed for its particular purpose. < 1496869069 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which would make it unlikely to have shown up before. < 1496869251 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@lib-01-subnet-241.rdns.cenic.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1496869615 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had missed the sigil the first time around (2 or 3 weeks ago) < 1496869668 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Do you read olist? < 1496869673 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the answer is no. < 1496869702 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1496869999 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wall of text comic < 1496870021 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you may recall me complaining about that < 1496870296 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Esolang talk:Categorization14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52085&oldid=52084 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+94) 10unsigned < 1496870344 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh I found a new copypasta < 1496870384 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :KRAKOW STRONG! REMOVE WARSAW FROM PREMISE! < 1496870404 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU ARE FAKE CAPITAL OF POLAND YOU ARE WORST CAPITAL OF POLAND! EVEN VIENNA BETTER CAPITAL OF POLAND! YOU ARE A JOKE WITH COMMUNISM YOU ARE RUSSIA NOT POLAND! HAHAHA ASIAN SMELL! KRAKOW HAS KINGS AND KING JADWIGA! WARSAW HAS NOTHING! POPE JAN PAWEŁ ALIF AND STRONG IN KRAKOW WHERE HE FORM! KRAKOW RICH AND POWERFUL THANKS TO JAN PAWEŁ AND JEZUS! < 1496870407 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: oh right, i missed that too. < 1496870435 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1496870474 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently someone really likes playing as krakow in eU4 < 1496870487 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1496870539 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: well it's a good name http://www.gocomics.com/calvinandhobbes/1986/04/28 < 1496870643 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1496870943 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.reddit.com/r/eu4/comments/69syjj/theres_a_new_toothpaste_in_town/ < 1496871151 0 :MDude!~MDude@pa-67-234-94-147.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com) < 1496871604 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc443.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1496871798 0 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Quit: brb < 1496871825 0 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1496871842 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc443.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1496872402 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<\oren\> probably because there's no ligature of "Ae" <-- actually, it might be because "Aer" is actually two syllables, not a diphthong. < 1496872473 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc443.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1496873084 0 :atslash!~atslash@broadband-46-188-0-82.2com.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1496873098 0 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1496873370 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1496873738 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc443.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1496874142 0 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1496874398 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc443.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1496874422 0 :viznut_!viznut@lowfidelity.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1496874555 0 :Bowserinator_!~Bowser@2a02:748:a800:ca7:ea75:b12d:51:a5c3 JOIN :#esoteric < 1496874561 0 :Bowserinator!~Bowser@unaffiliated/bowserinator QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1496874562 0 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1496874562 0 :catern!~catern@catern.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1496874562 0 :puckipedia!puck@puckipedia.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1496874562 0 :fractal_!fractal@unaffiliated/scounder QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1496874562 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1496874562 0 :Riviera!Riviera@2a03:b0c0:1:d0::10:b001 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1496874562 0 :viznut!viznut@lowfidelity.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1496874562 0 :danieljabailey!~danieljab@cpc75719-york6-2-0-cust659.7-1.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1496874571 0 :catern!~catern@catern.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1496874614 0 :Riviera!Riviera@2a03:b0c0:1:d0::10:b001 JOIN :#esoteric < 1496874615 0 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 JOIN :#esoteric < 1496874619 0 :danieljabailey!~danieljab@cpc75719-york6-2-0-cust659.7-1.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1496874623 0 :puckipedia!puck@puckipedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1496874849 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1496874865 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc443.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1496874900 0 :Remavas!~Remavas@md-188-69-215-57.omni.lt JOIN :#esoteric < 1496874900 0 :Remavas!~Remavas@md-188-69-215-57.omni.lt QUIT :Changing host < 1496874900 0 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas JOIN :#esoteric < 1496875075 0 :fractal_!fractal@unaffiliated/scounder JOIN :#esoteric < 1496875541 0 :MDude!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1496875687 0 :electrolex!~electrole@pool-108-26-201-33.bstnma.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1496876168 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1496876332 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1496877036 0 :Marcela_Gandara1!~Marcela_G@190-76-250-94.dyn.movilnet.com.ve JOIN :#esoteric < 1496877428 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc443.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1496878035 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@massages-loud < 1496878035 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't have any messages < 1496878246 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bnomaily < 1496878490 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bonsœirjan! < 1496879409 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1496879832 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc443.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric