< 1499904671 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1499905350 0 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bqzmhitsyugllhhj JOIN :#esoteric < 1499905437 0 :Warrigal_!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett JOIN :#esoteric < 1499906032 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1499906220 0 :Remavas-Hex!?@? NICK :Remavas-AFK < 1499907701 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1499908417 0 :Warrigal_!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1499908829 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1907@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? zygohistomorphic prepromorphism < 1499908830 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A zygohistomorphic prepromorphism is used when you really need both semi-mutual recursion and history and to repeatedly apply a natural transformation as you get deeper into the functor. < 1499908851 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1907@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`dowg zygohistomorphic prepromorphism < 1499908859 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :5308:2015-04-11 ` mv wisdom/zygohistomorphic{," prepromorphism"} < 1499908861 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1907@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`howg zygohistomorphic prepromorphism < 1499908867 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ ` mv wisdom/zygohistomorphic{," prepromorphism"} < 1499908869 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :who uses howg? < 1499908873 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :we should scrap it < 1499908893 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1907@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`howg zygohistomorphic < 1499908902 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ ` mv wisdom/zygohistomorphic{," prepromorphism"} \ learn A zygohistomorphic prepromorphism is used when you really need both semi-mutual recursion and history and to repeatedly apply a natural transformation as you get deeper into the functor. < 1499908902 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1907@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's mine, isn't it? < 1499908908 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1907@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1499908916 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1907@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1499909832 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why would you howg instead of dowg? < 1499911038 0 :MrBismuth!~ArcMrBism@2602:306:8325:a300:c801:d7f:77e1:92be JOIN :#esoteric < 1499911172 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1907@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.7 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1499911206 0 :MrBusiness!~ArcMrBism@2602:306:8325:a300:14cb:5b96:6b4a:7f07 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1499912268 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1499913394 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just learnt there is a irc://irc.freenode.net:6667/#proglangdesign  channel < 1499915465 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Julfers 5* 10New user account < 1499916335 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52416&oldid=52402 5* 03Julfers 5* (+148) 10 < 1499916396 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Julfers14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=52417 5* 03Julfers 5* (+31) 10Created page with "Josiah (Joe) Ulfers, programmer" < 1499919223 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03DatBoi11841 5* 10New user account < 1499923651 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1499925778 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1499927527 0 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bqzmhitsyugllhhj QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1499927586 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1499928426 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1499929504 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1499929640 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1499934206 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@134.58.253.56 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499935561 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1499935643 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1499935921 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1499935986 0 :mroman!a055e8eb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.235 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499935997 0 :mroman!a055e8eb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does visual basic have context-sensitive grammar? < 1499936011 0 :mroman!a055e8eb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as foo(bar) could either be a function call or an array access depending on what type foo is < 1499936063 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't the grammar for those the same though, just different semantics < 1499936115 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like I'd expect in both cases foo and bar are expressions, as is the result foo(bar) < 1499936138 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :so as far as parsing is concerned, it's one thing < 1499936220 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like the Mill? < 1499936259 0 :mroman!a055e8eb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but foo(bar, baz) would be illegal if foo is an array type < 1499936285 0 :mroman!a055e8eb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :parsing might be the same though < 1499936294 0 :mroman!a055e8eb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's a semantic error < 1499936583 0 :mroman!a055e8eb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. yeah. < 1499936589 0 :mroman!a055e8eb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :parsing rules are probably the same for both. < 1499937383 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@2602:306:c58e:4fd8:895e:6ff3:2820:2d30 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499937900 0 :mroman!a055e8eb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot you lil raskell < 1499937901 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: v. capacity calculated according to length :) skull, proportions :), in india, as i learn from admiral sir james sulivan) to be low, and would, i suspect that/ following circumstances. a minute crustaceous animal " cancer salinus) is said to be; and about mimosa sensitiva./ fnord is lost. very soon afterwards it decays. in/ preservation :) profitable modifications, each better and better, for educational purposes, than < 1499938205 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1499938205 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin* discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack oots pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube < 1499938214 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1499938404 0 :mroman!a055e8eb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style europarl < 1499938404 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: europarl (European Parliament speeches during approx. 1996-2006) < 1499938416 0 :mroman!a055e8eb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Any opinions on G20? < 1499938417 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: mr president, a few days ago. mr davies has already said on a number of positive and negative. negative, firstly, countries should honour their pledges, namely make 0.7% of their gross national income. < 1499938438 0 :mroman!a055e8eb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: And how does this relate to the violence? < 1499938439 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: mr president, before i give my explanation of vote against related to the system. then there was a great scandal in italy because a leak from the ministry for the fnord. finally, mr president, i received a specific question to the council and the president of finland, and i quote: ' whereby progressively only less favoured regions, one-fourth of community sheep production is undertaken in other areas loses its meaning. < 1499938495 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@2602:306:c58e:4fd8:895e:6ff3:2820:2d30 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1499938549 0 :mroman!a055e8eb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style fisher < 1499938550 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: fisher (Fisher corpus of transcribed telephone conversations) < 1499938562 0 :mroman!a055e8eb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Who invented the telephone? < 1499938562 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: you know what a good network you know < 1499938571 0 :mroman!a055e8eb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: I like good networks. < 1499938592 0 :mroman!a055e8eb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. < 1499938597 0 :mroman!a055e8eb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1499938598 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't have any messages < 1499938745 0 :mroman!a055e8eb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: WHY DO YOU NEVER SEND ME ANY TEXTS?? < 1499938758 0 :mroman!a055e8eb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I SWIPED RIGHT ON YOU YOU KNOW. < 1499944824 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Ans14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52418&oldid=32456 5* 03Zseri 5* (+12) 10/* Interpreter */ dead link < 1499945597 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1499948624 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: NEUTRAL CHICKEN < 1499953633 0 :Remavas-AFK!?@? NICK :Remavas < 1499953678 0 :deep-book-gk_!~1wm_su@94.242.252.58 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499953781 0 :deep-book-gk_!~1wm_su@94.242.252.58 PART #esoteric : < 1499954434 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499955164 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1499956073 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98df:ec9f:a0f2:c4f2:76f4:d31a QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1499956424 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98df:ec9f:90b7:444b:6a31:aaa1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499956587 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1499957300 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1499957442 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Trajedy14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52419&oldid=51774 5* 03Jafetish 5* (+280) 10 < 1499958142 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1499958713 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@134.58.253.56 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1499959609 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :spämmi! < 1499959616 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it's been a while since the last one. < 1499959632 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in finnish, that is.) < 1499959842 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@134.58.253.56 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499961249 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : oerjan asks himself the same question every day. <-- . o O ( shachaf knows too much... ) < 1499963312 0 :mroman!a055e8eb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.235 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1499964400 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what am I doing here? < 1499964719 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: do you know what action one takes in order to know too much hth < 1499964895 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :one asks too many questions. < 1499965084 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Later < 1499965522 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@134.58.253.56 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1499965646 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1499965935 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes, that's what i was getting at < 1499965940 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe what you were getting at too. < 1499966658 0 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1499966682 0 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas JOIN :#esoteric < 1499966747 0 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1499966774 0 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas JOIN :#esoteric < 1499966897 0 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1499966922 0 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas JOIN :#esoteric < 1499967107 0 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1499967133 0 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas JOIN :#esoteric < 1499968901 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan At least it wasn't mämmi. < 1499968901 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1499970199 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1499970876 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Quit: Ouch! Got SIGABRT, dying... < 1499972448 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zcuuqhvhyr8nha.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1499973676 0 :MDude!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1499973793 0 :MDude!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1499973939 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I wonder if oerjan's Finnish spam was related to Spotify, because I just got a rare Finnish s[pc]am as well, and it was.) < 1499973955 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://youtu.be/eCiFO7qV54E < 1499976347 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`olist 1082 < 1499976348 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olist 1082: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly boily nortti b_jonas < 1499977481 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I only ever get spam about rayban sunglasses for incredibly low prices. < 1499977503 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or at least that is the only thing getting through to the gmail spam folder even < 1499977521 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you vorpal@gmail.com? < 1499977559 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1499977657 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I have not gotten any spam to my own email server. So I haven't even set up spam filtering there yet. Just some basic SPF verification thing < 1499977751 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I believe you run your own mail server, for the future and the inevitable day I get spam, what do you recommend for anti-spam? < 1499977840 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to be involved in running mail servers. < 1499977852 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sort of. < 1499977867 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: okay, any suggestions for that future? < 1499977877 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only know that SpamAssassin is a thing < 1499977896 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :We were using custom software. < 1499977911 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1499977942 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Last SpamAssassin release was over 2 years ago hm < 1499979058 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: For spam, I use a postfwd configuration that checks two DNS blacklists (zen.spamhaus.org, bl.spamcop.net). It's very rudimentary, but has been enough so far. < 1499979068 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1499979069 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a fair number of spam that goes through, but it's not been unmanageable. < 1499979117 0 :h0rsep0wer!~h0rsep0we@unaffiliated/h0rsep0wer JOIN :#esoteric < 1499979173 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought about doing greylisting, for whatever reason I hear that still is pretty effective. < 1499979281 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: how does that work? < 1499979324 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :The tl;dr is that for any unknown sending mail server, your mail server returns a "temporarily unavailable, please retry" error code. < 1499979345 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently most of the botnets that spew out spam still don't do retries, while almost all real mail servers do. < 1499979380 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does add a little delay (from some minutes to hours, depending on sending mx behavior) to first new email from an unknown system. < 1499979407 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably makes more sense for a system that receives an appreciable volume of email. < 1499979425 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :My forwarding service (iki.fi) does that. < 1499979443 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1499979489 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1499979492 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1499979514 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the school where my father teaches does otherwise, because they greylist the periodic newsletters I send to family members. < 1499979583 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it's also kind of inherently biased against anyone using a "non-standard" email solution, since those will likely be classified as unknown. (The greylisting implementations expire the "known" status after some days/weeks.) < 1499979641 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it's happened to the most recent one I sent again. < 1499979644 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1499979708 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :"status=deferred (host [REDACTED] said: 451 4.7.1 <[REDACTED]>: Recipient address rejected: Greylisting in effect, please come back later (in reply to RCPT TO command))" < 1499979761 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1499980410 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Fish14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52420&oldid=52293 5* 03Manushand 5* (-4) 10/* Factorial */ < 1499980680 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1499981243 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: looking at the logs I do get some connects from such hosts, but it seems they just disconnect without doing anything. Manually resolved a couple < 1499981351 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: might be the SPF checking does it as well < 1499981399 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a lot more connects in my Postfix logs than actual clients, I've never really bothered to investigate why they disconnect. < 1499981440 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some of them might be bruteforcing passwords, there's one case here with about 2k connect attempts over two hours or so. < 1499981493 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm maybe set up fail2ban on that? < 1499981508 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kind of tricky to find the right criteria for that I guess < 1499981527 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see anything about failed passwords in the postfix log at least < 1499981571 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guess they might be doing something else too. Like trying to spam without any "stop if failing" thing. < 1499981583 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use SASL, how does that work exactly? < 1499981593 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :smtpd_sasl_type = dovecot < 1499981593 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :smtpd_sasl_path = private/auth < 1499981612 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do postfix forward to it? Or do you login to dovecot first and that makes it work? < 1499981650 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Postfix connects to that Dovecot socket to authenticate based on what comes in the SMTP connection, I believe. < 1499981654 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I have the same setup.) < 1499981659 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1499981744 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :was a while since I set it up, kind of confused now. What is an LMTP service and why do I use it? < 1499981786 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :LMTP is like SMTP except for local delivery, I think it's the recommended way to setup mail delivery into Dovecot. < 1499981819 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably why I use it then < 1499981830 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1499981830 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC, the protocol's pretty much identical to SMTP, except maybe some minor variations and the fact that it normally runs over a Unix domain socket. < 1499981874 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: hm that forwarding service you use, how does that work when forwarding mails from servers with SPF set up to a server that checks SPF? < 1499981886 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/use/run/ < 1499982130 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're opposed to SPF on ideological and practical grounds. And of course you can self decide where you forward to, and pick a friendly enough destination. I don't remember if they did anything else specifically. < 1499982171 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: they? I got the impression you ran it. < 1499982187 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :No no, it's an organization. < 1499982200 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The Internet Users Forever IKI is a non-profit society which provides its members, private individuals in Finland, permanent iki.fi-addresses with e-mail and WWW forwarding." < 1499982231 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, but you are involved in running it somehow or not? < 1499982259 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been to their meetings back when I still lived in Finland (free cake), so I guess in a super-technical sense yes. But not in any practical way. < 1499982277 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah okay < 1499982301 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : My forwarding service (iki.fi) does that. <-- I misinterpreted the "my" there < 1499982316 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it was a little ambiguous. "My" as in "the one I use". < 1499982372 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think that many places are yet using SPF as a hard blocklist even with a -all policy on the source, it's just an extra signal to their filtering systems. I remember the IKI people's discussion places having some chatter about that and Gmail, but there's definitely people forwarding their iki.fi addresses to Gmail with success. < 1499982415 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? fizzie < 1499982416 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie is not fnord with a monad but the sneaky canary prime minister of #esoteric, see https://zem.fi/static/img/square_fizzie_320px_white.jpg < 1499982440 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm voting fizzie for king in the next election < 1499982470 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess unnamed former Gmail SREs might have better ideas about how it relates to SPF, but that's SO CONFIDENTIAL. < 1499982534 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did set up DKIM on my private mail server, in the hopes of it maybe giving a tiny positive nudge in spam scores of outgoing emails. < 1499982536 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :For what it's worth Delivery is a somewhat separate group from the rest of Gmail. < 1499982617 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(One of my wife's relatives uses Hotmail/Outlook, and some of our messages went to their spam folder.) < 1499982783 0 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vjbrhlvoikedjymx JOIN :#esoteric < 1499982942 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1499983035 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1499984768 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1499985689 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zcuuqhvhyr8nha.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1499986502 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1a71@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.26.113 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499986512 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1a71@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.26.113 PRIVMSG #esoteric :another olist? < 1499986701 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but this olist was already announced. < 1499986705 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :We need an olistlist. < 1499986732 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1a71@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.26.113 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know, I noticed it in the logs < 1499986737 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1a71@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.26.113 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why I didn't `olist it again < 1499986746 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1a71@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.26.113 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just surprised because it's fast now < 1499986918 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, he published his PDF thing. < 1499986923 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it's back to full-time olisting. < 1499987946 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1499988765 0 :hppavilion[0]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1499988780 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1499988968 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1499989058 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Maybe what you were getting at too. <-- THAUSIBLE < 1499989077 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages-flood < 1499989077 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie said 5h 36m 15s ago: At least it wasn't mämmi. < 1499989617 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds